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No wonder most of the girls in German FKK and in international sex trade across the world are Romanians and Bulgarians! Anyway girls from these countries have a dismal future following what they go through and end up in the sex trade business!
[URL]http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mothers-at-15-preganant-teenagers-of-romania-tell-their-tale-1402603[/URL]
[QUOTE=Prurient6;1873636]I think they work simply through lies and disinformation. The girls may not know that prostitution is totally legal in Germany; they may implicitly assume (and believe when they hear it) that it is illegal as in Romania, and thus they must fear the German police and need protection from abusive customers, thus they should fork over half of their earnings, like the guy in the video in prison says. That probably works better in Germany where they are less likely to pick up the (non-romance) language, but sooner or later they will get it, from other girls, from customers, etc. We have probably all seen how some FKK girls are exceedingly naive and others are totally savvy..[/QUOTE]The man in the video also says this:
"A woman cannot go on her own. She needs protection. There are some on their own, but very few. They need support by their side. If someone harasses them, what can they do? She, being a woman, can she fight a man, you know?
WG profession is only legal in DE, and thus the Polizei can provide protection. But we all know that most girls bring their money back to RO. It's one thing if the nefarious RO gangsters tried to extort a rich RO doctor who is well-respected in the community. But a WG who society does not care about? Who is going to protect her? Certainly not Romanian law enforcement. At the height of the Ceauscescu era, one in four citizens were informants for Securitate (RO version of Stasi). After the fall of the regime, all of the ex-Communist leaders transitioned right into organized crime. So I wouldn't be surprised if one in four RO cops were corrupt.
Do all RO cops turn a blind eye? No, but generally they pursue only the cases where a WG was kidnapped or held against her will. This isn't nearly as common as it was two decades ago. Every girl in Eastern Europe has already been educated in school about "employment contracts" or "lover boys" that appear too good to be true. Nowadays, many of the girls enter the profession "willingly". Hence very little sympathy from society.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;1874806]The man in the video also says this:
"A woman cannot go on her own. She needs protection. There are some on their own, but very few. They need support by their side. If someone harasses them, what can they do? She, being a woman, can she fight a man, you know?
WG profession is only legal in DE, and thus the Polizei can provide protection. But we all know that most girls bring their money back to RO. It's one thing if the nefarious RO gangsters tried to extort a rich RO doctor who is well-respected in the community. But a WG who society does not care about? Who is going to protect her? Certainly not Romanian law enforcement. At the height of the Ceauscescu era, one in four citizens were informants for Securitate (RO version of Stasi). After the fall of the regime, all of the ex-Communist leaders transitioned right into organized crime. So I wouldn't be surprised if one in four RO cops were corrupt.
Do all RO cops turn a blind eye? No, but generally they pursue only the cases where a WG was kidnapped or held against her will. This isn't nearly as common as it was two decades ago. Every girl in Eastern Europe has already been educated in school about "employment contracts" or "lover boys" that appear too good to be true. Nowadays, many of the girls enter the profession "willingly". Hence very little sympathy from society.[/QUOTE]In the environment like in FKK, the girls are more or less protected, but not in other brothels, but even in FKK, I put more or less as I hear from girls that management won't do much when it comes to creepy clients turned stalker kind of case. Like they somehow find out their information and begin to get creepy on them and I guess pimp themselves come to FKK to recruit and I guess they already have girls working for them in FKK to get other girls private information, so that they can use that private information to recruit etc.
So I think most important thing is to German police to provide secure hot line where girls can go and consult if there are some security issue because security of club will not do much when it comes to that.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;1874806]The man in the video also says this:
"A woman cannot go on her own. She needs protection. There are some on their own, but very few. They need support by their side. If someone harasses them, what can they do? She, being a woman, can she fight a man, you know?
[/QUOTE]What is his business, escorting girls for safely? Heck no. He's a trafficker. As for girls needing protection or not, girls don't travel independently? I fail to understand the logic.
What it is, the traffickers (or should I say loverboys) know which types have the vulnerabilities. Disadvantaged, from a poor village, under-educated, with either ignorant or unreliable guardians (or none) financially or psychologically. They are prime targets for these reasons. Not to mention, young and naive.
It gets pointed out that a lot of these girls don't even know where they are taken, or often times don't have much knowledge on the outside world. Less they know, easier to convince.
They are not independent types. These types don't have the funds, or the knowhow to venture out on their own. Also, they need contacts, family or friends to get them settled in those places. If they don't, and somebody promises them to take them to a place with a decent pay, with housing, and etc. , they are living in a rut, they will be easily convince. The best targets are ones that have nothing to lose.
And as been mentioned, if the trafficker knows the location of the girl's family, that can be used against them.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1874943]What is his business, escorting girls for safely? Heck no. He's a trafficker. As for girls needing protection or not, girls don't travel independently? I fail to understand the logic.
What it is, the traffickers (or should I say loverboys) know which types have the vulnerabilities. Disadvantaged, from a poor village, under-educated, with either ignorant or unreliable guardians (or none) financially or psychologically. They are prime targets for these reasons. Not to mention, young and naive.
It gets pointed out that a lot of these girls don't even know where they are taken, or often times don't have much knowledge on the outside world. Less they know, easier to convince.
They are not independent types. These types don't have the funds, or the knowhow to venture out on their own. Also, they need contacts, family or friends to get them settled in those places. If they don't, and somebody promises them to take them to a place with a decent pay, with housing, and etc. , they are living in a rut, they will be easily convince. The best targets are ones that have nothing to lose.
And as been mentioned, if the trafficker knows the location of the girl's family, that can be used against them.[/QUOTE]There is no trafficking in German mega FKK.
[QUOTE=Jooeey;1874743]No wonder most of the girls in German FKK and in international sex trade across the world are Romanians and Bulgarians! Anyway girls from these countries have a dismal future following what they go through and end up in the sex trade business!
[URL]http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mothers-at-15-preganant-teenagers-of-romania-tell-their-tale-1402603[/URL][/QUOTE]Teen birth happen in other countries, like the US for example, although it has been in decline.
As the article lays out, it's the lack of education, and they do say high percentage of them being a Roma.
What's surprising is that birthrate in Romania is quite low! Germany and Japan is kinda expected. I thought typically more affluent countries the birthrate drop, but for some reason the ex-commie countries has been low on birthrate.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn9DDsxfpCA[/URL] About the EEs(and CEs) moving abroad to study or whatever, when I meet them here, I think think to myself, how can they be so gorgeous and smart at the same time. Hehe.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1874943]What is his business, escorting girls for safely? Heck no. He's a trafficker. As for girls needing protection or not, girls don't travel independently? I fail to understand the logic.
What it is, the traffickers (or should I say loverboys) know which types have the vulnerabilities. Disadvantaged, from a poor village, under-educated, with either ignorant or unreliable guardians (or none) financially or psychologically. They are prime targets for these reasons. Not to mention, young and naive.
It gets pointed out that a lot of these girls don't even know where they are taken, or often times don't have much knowledge on the outside world. Less they know, easier to convince.
They are not independent types. These types don't have the funds, or the knowhow to venture out on their own. Also, they need contacts, family or friends to get them settled in those places. If they don't, and somebody promises them to take them to a place with a decent pay, with housing, and etc. , they are living in a rut, they will be easily convince. The best targets are ones that have nothing to lose.
And as been mentioned, if the trafficker knows the location of the girl's family, that can be used against them.[/QUOTE]Here is my related story:
Back in 2003, at the now defunct but formerly very popular FKK Atlantis (in Altenstadt near Frankfurt), there was a stunning Thai woman. I had a couple of wonderful encounters with her. (Sexually speaking, she was my dream woman, and to this day the very best sexual partner I ever had, but that's another story.) She was using the stage name Joy; some of you may have met her. At least back then, Joy spoke no German and only fragmentary English. She said she had come to Germany 2 years earlier by marrying a German man who promised they would open a Thai restaurant in Frankfurt together; instead, he put her to work at Atlantis and took the money she earned, buying himself a new car among other things. I stayed in touch with her (long-distance) and learned that she was trying to get away from him but was afraid to go to the police. I did some research and explained that there was nothing to be afraid of and that in fact she had earned the right to live in Germany after those two years; alas, her husband was feeding her contradicting infos and telling her that the police would arrest her and throw her in jail. She said she wanted to get away and had bought a ticket back to Thailand but her husband had found and destroyed the ticket and was also keeping her passport. Her fear of the police was legally unjustified, but practically perhaps not, given how helpless yet incredibly attractive she was. One day, I made a whole bunch of phone calls and wrote emails to various places in Thailand and Germany, and eventually found an organization in Berlin that was assisting Thai victims of trafficking. After much insistence, I convinced Joy to let me give them her phone number. They spoke Thai to her, explained the legal situation, helped her get away from that asshole and get a regular work permit. (In the meantime, he probably traveled back to Thailand and found another victim.).
The personal epilogue of the story may be interesting for those of you who may have met Joy: a while later she called me from Thailand to thank me. She was visiting her brother at home. Joy was all happy and we started talking about meeting again. Then she cheerfully explained to me that she now had beautiful big breasts. I got really mad and cussed her out for fucking herself up in such an idiotic way (I hate fake tits, and she was perfect anyway and needed absolutely nothing except brains). Anyway, I even offered to pay for implant removal surgery. She started crying and that was it, we never spoke again. Sometime in 2004 I read in the Atlantis forum that she showed up to work again, proudly sporting ridiculously oversized tits, and later on I think she was at FKK Neunkirchen for a while. Oh well. I hope that at least she got to keep the money she was making from those stupid fake tits. I still have the photos of her I took back in 2003, and I will try to keep remembering those wonderful hours I spent with her, although the memory is starting to fade.
[QUOTE=MrHo;1874849]In the environment like in FKK, the girls are more or less protected, but not in other brothels, but even in FKK, I put more or less as I hear from girls that management won't do much when it comes to creepy clients turned stalker kind of case. Like they somehow find out their information and begin to get creepy on them and I guess pimp themselves come to FKK to recruit and I guess they already have girls working for them in FKK to get other girls private information, so that they can use that private information to recruit etc.
So I think most important thing is to German police to provide secure hot line where girls can go and consult if there are some security issue because security of club will not do much when it comes to that.[/QUOTE]The general 112 emergency number of the police will be sufficient.
One of the good things of the proposed new law is that all girls must be licensed and will get mandatory counseling about their rights. This will be a big problem for most of the pimps as it will be more difficult to frighten the girls with fantasy stories. Also clubs and brothels will only be allowed to employ licensed girls and their presence must be at all times listed in a ledger.
Maybe that proposed new law isn't so bad at all? ;)
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1875008]The general 112 emergency number of the police will be sufficient.
One of the good things of the proposed new law is that all girls must be licensed and will get mandatory counseling about their rights. This will be a big problem for most of the pimps as it will be more difficult to frighten the girls with fantasy stories. Also clubs and brothels will only be allowed to employ licensed girls and their presence must be at all times listed in a ledger.
Maybe that proposed new law isn't so bad at all? ;)[/QUOTE]Actually you are right. As long as BBBJ stay as it is, I am all fine with new law.
And you are right because HA ex girl friend is the one tipped info to police and that ended up as reportedly 900 cops at FKK Artemis LOL.
Half that and 450 cops is already Hollywood cartel movies style raid LOL.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1875008]The general 112 emergency number of the police will be sufficient.
Maybe that proposed new law isn't so bad at all? ;)[/QUOTE]No need for the new law, calling the police is sufficient if she is in trouble. 110 is police. 112 is the fire department, but both numbers will help.
HB.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1875008]Maybe that proposed new law isn't so bad at all? ;)[/QUOTE]The hidden agenda of the new law (as of any prostitution law) is too diminish supply and get men back to the plantation. In a country such as Germany a girl who is (really) victimized only has to call the cops of complain to the white-knights around her (90% of the men) and the men victimizing her will be punished within minutes.
The problem is the line of code within men's head. It's in men's brain root directory. It goes something like this:
"Female(Value=Victim)
Female victimhood=Autorun
End"
If a man thinks without first running this code he gets an error message in his brain that stops him dead:
"Runtime error - End"
And that's why manspace is fast disappearing throughout the world, to be replaced by hard labour in feminist camps.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1875038]No need for the new law, calling the police is sufficient if she is in trouble. 110 is police. 112 is the fire department, but both numbers will help.
HB.[/QUOTE]Do you really think prostitutes will call polizei when they have problems with small dick hells or pimps? Unfortunately, they won t because too afraid, I thought you knew better than me what happened to 2 Sharks girls in last 2 months.
But they shouldn't be afraid of these no men and call the police.
[QUOTE=XXL;1875051]The hidden agenda of the new law (as of any prostitution law) is too diminish supply and get men back to the plantation. In a country such as Germany a girl who is (really) victimized only has to call the cops of complain to the white-knights around her (90% of the men) and the men victimizing her will be punished within minutes.
The problem is the line of code within men's head. It's in men's brain root directory. It goes something like this:
"Female(Value=Victim)
Female victimhood=Autorun
End"
If a man thinks without first running this code he gets an error message in his brain that stops him dead:
"Runtime error - End"
And that's why manspace is fast disappearing throughout the world, to be replaced by hard labour in feminist camps.[/QUOTE]When do we finally know if this bill turn to law or not? It is not law yet.
[QUOTE=XXL;1875051]The hidden agenda of the new law (as of any prostitution law) is too diminish supply and get men back to the plantation.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. The ultimate goal of the moralists is to shut establishments like the FKKs down altogether, They won't say it, but we know what their true aim is. If it was something different, then why is it they never ask the girls or us what we want? Imagine that! Considering the opinions of those who partake from both the supply and the demand side. A novel approach! But when you really don't care (even though you say you do at least where the girls are concerned) you don't ask. Once again, actions speak louder than words!
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1874943]As for girls needing protection or not, girls don't travel independently? I fail to understand the logic.
[/QUOTE]If girls travel safely in RO, its because she or her pimp has paid "tax", or she is not making that much money and still operating under the radar.
Here is an extortion scenario that might occur if a WG works as a lone wolf. Gangster: "I know you are a prostitute in German FKK. Do you want protection? Pay my gang 25% of your earnings. " WG: "No, I don't need it" A week later, gangster bribes a corrupt Romanian police officer to rob the WG. Then the gangster returns and asks the WG once more if she wants protection. If she resists, the process continues. The gang may even hire some thugs to orchestrate a "random" home invasion robbery to convince the WG that she really needs protection. So she can hand over the money the easy way or the hard way. Even men are vulnerable to extortion. Small-time pimp who only has a stable of five girls will get extorted just as easily as the independent WG if he is stubborn enough to be "independent". This creates a cycle where people create alliances for survival. Girl aligns with the gang. Or girl aligns with a pimp that is affiliated with the gang. The pimp in the video even speaks of giving bribes as if it were a daily occurrence, and expresses surprise when is bribe is not accepted in Slovenia.
Strong prey on the weak and vulnerable. This is the law of the streets. In California, MS-13 extorts $25-$100 a week from illegal immigrant Mexican street food vendors. In Beijing corrupt police beat and extort prostitutes for money. And what about all the migrants that are overrunning Europe? They are getting extorted too (by Balkan crime syndicates and corrupt border police). Drug dealers get robbed by other drug dealers and corrupt police. Common denominator here is, the extorter knows these types of victims will not report due to their "illegal" status.
Here is an article titled "Chinese businesses in Jamaica favor cash transactions, attract criminal attention". The author states "criminal elements including police personnel have been extorting money from some Chinese business operators. " The author outlines the reason: "Chinese businessmen are known to drive around with cash. Because they don't use the banking system. They don't want to do that because they don't want to pay the 25 or 30 per cent tax. " Remind you of anyone?
Now do you see my logic? The following things create a sort of perfect storm that make people victims of extortion: organized crime presence, corrupt authorities, insistence on storing / carrying large amounts of cash, evading taxes, questionable legal status. All are in play for WGs who are not able to leave RO behind.
[URL]http://www.stabroeknews.com/2013/business/07/26/chinese-businesses-in-jamaica-favour-cash-transactions-attract-criminal-attention/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20150122/street-vendors-fall-prey-to-gangs-will-las-move-to-legalize-them-help[/URL]
[URL]https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/migrants-heading-europe-facing-abuse-and-extortion-balkans[/URL]
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-prostitutes-routinely-extorted-abused-by-police-report-says/2013/05/13/0cf39fb8-bbdf-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html[/URL]