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Hey Everyone,

I don't mean to spam the forum but thought I just ask for some info or advice as I feel I've paid my dues.

I'm kind of tired of trying to navigate the Korean scene and would like to finally talk to a SP that speaks English. I get the feeling that this forum is more in tune to Itaewon. I'm finding that Itaewon has cleaned up a lot. I know that people think it the bottom of the bottom but that wasn't my impression when I visited Hooker Hill awhile time ago. I'm assuming this is the place.

[url]http://local.daum.net/map/index.jsp?pan=82.72078167201204&tilt=-2.339577663450842&zoom=3&panoid=1017257386&screenMode=normal&map_type=TYPE_SKYVIEW&map_hybrid=true&map_attribute=ROADVIEW&q=[/url]%EC%82%BC%EC%84%B1%EC%97%AD&urlX=499067&urlY=1120700&urlLevel=3.

For me it was just very intimidating. I would consider myself taller and more muscular than the average Korean guy (though that's not very hard). But when I see packs of drunk rowdy white guys with thick necks and look like they could all be hired as bouncers, I just fucking lose my nerve since I usually go alone. Also some of the hot girls off the main hill are just sitting on the steps at DAY club just chilling and smoking. Are they on break or can you approach them? I am decent looking Korean but am young 20's so I did get open doors and calls from girls on the main hill who I thought were very attractive and not the dregs like people have described. I didn't go in as I just wanted to survey the entire scene.

So going through the forums, I think I get the routine so how's this. Buy some overpriced drinks for yourself and the girl who you have interest in. I read on another blog that the girls get a salary of 600, 000won and get half the price of the ladydrinks which I think is awesome for the girl because minimum wage in Korea is like 5, 000 / hr. So for a girl to make an instant 10, 000 off a 20, 000 ladydrink, for her would be a fucking amazing deal. Ok, so you pay for the drinks to break the ice and get a feel for the girl then negotiate how much for what you want. And you're not supposed to keep buying drinks expecting that the girl will make the first move since it's just easy money for her to just drink for free. You want to haggle always and be / show that your always willing to walk. Minimum would be 100, 000 for quick FS incall where they will take you in a back room or lock up the small bar for you. 200, 000 / HR for outcall FS. I've read that you could get a BBBJCIM for 60, 000 but is that still possible?

I'm just looking for a PSE English speaking girl for DATY and BBBJCIM for under 80, 000. Possible?

Is it odd / bad for a guy to go on his own walking through the Hill?

On the PDF map (I've attached it) of the places that the US military soldiers are banned, there are a few that are red not on the hill. Are these even worth checking out?

[QUOTE=Turtle Power; 1156072]Hey Everyone,

I don't mean to spam the forum but thought I just ask for some info or advice as I feel I've paid my dues.

I'm kind of tired of trying to navigate the Korean scene and would like to finally talk to a SP that speaks English. I get the feeling that this forum is more in tune to Itaewon. I'm finding that Itaewon has cleaned up a lot. I know that people think it the bottom of the bottom but that wasn't my impression when I visited Hooker Hill awhile time ago. I'm assuming this is the place.

[url]http://local.daum.net/map/index.jsp?pan=82.72078167201204&tilt=-2.339577663450842&zoom=3&panoid=1017257386&screenMode=normal&map_type=TYPE_SKYVIEW&map_hybrid=true&map_attribute=ROADVIEW&q=[/url]

%EC%82%BC%EC%84%B1%EC%97%AD&urlX=499067&urlY=1120700&urlLevel=3.

For me it was just very intimidating. I would consider myself taller and more muscular than the average Korean guy (though that's not very hard). But when I see packs of drunk rowdy white guys with thick necks and look like they could all be hired as bouncers, I just fucking lose my nerve since I usually go alone. Also some of the hot girls off the main hill are just sitting on the steps at DAY club just chilling and smoking. Are they on break or can you approach them? I am decent looking Korean but am young 20's so I did get open doors and calls from girls on the main hill who I thought were very attractive and not the dregs like people have described. I didn't go in as I just wanted to survey the entire scene.

So going through the forums, I think I get the routine so how's this. Buy some overpriced drinks for yourself and the girl who you have interest in. I read on another blog that the girls get a salary of 600, 000won and get half the price of the ladydrinks which I think is awesome for the girl because minimum wage in Korea is like 5, 000 / hr. So for a girl to make an instant 10, 000 off a 20, 000 ladydrink, for her would be a fucking amazing deal. Ok, so you pay for the drinks to break the ice and get a feel for the girl then negotiate how much for what you want. And you're not supposed to keep buying drinks expecting that the girl will make the first move since it's just easy money for her to just drink for free. You want to haggle always and be / show that your always willing to walk. Minimum would be 100, 000 for quick FS incall where they will take you in a back room or lock up the small bar for you. 200, 000 / HR for outcall FS. I've read that you could get a BBBJCIM for 60, 000 but is that still possible?

I'm just looking for a PSE English speaking girl for DATY and BBBJCIM for under 80, 000. Possible?

Is it odd / bad for a guy to go on his own walking through the Hill?

On the PDF map (I've attached it) of the places that the US military soldiers are banned, there are a few that are red not on the hill. Are these even worth checking out? [/QUOTE]Hey turtle power! Thanks for the great infos, I just have a couple of questions that I want to ask you.

How would you rate the SPs at itaewon that are easily available for foreigers to SPs at the RLD that are more accesible to native koreans? I've heard alot of good reports about knockout SPs being available at the hookers hill especially in HJ places like Belle or cool but then I also heard that it doesn't really compare to the SPs that are available to native koreans and that if you are korean, then you are better off to monger elsewhere.

I'm a gyopo myself and I haven't been refused anywhere so far because my korean is passable. I wouldn't say the quality of the SPs are outstanding in the places that I've been to and was really curious as to the quality of the SPs at itaewon.

Maybe you can give me a quick rundown on the differences? It would help me alot =D.

Cheers!

If prostitution and pimping is illegal, why didn't the police arrest them?

What's up with the coins in the department store?

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/masked-south-korean-sex-workers-rally-against-police-crackdown-on-brothels/2011/05/17/AFMCbW5G_story.html[/url]

SEOUL, South Korea — Hundreds of prostitutes and pimps rallied Tuesday near a red-light district in Seoul to protest a police crackdown on brothels, with some unsuccessfully attempting to set themselves on fire.

A crowd of about 400 people, mostly women wearing baseball caps, masks and sunglasses, chanted slogans like, 'Guarantee the right to live! ' during the four-hour rally.

At one point, about 20 protesters in their underwear and covered in body and face paint doused themselves in flammable liquid in an apparent attempt to burn themselves, but others stopped them from lighting any flames. Some of the women then sat in the street and wept and screamed, while other protesters consoled them.

Minor scuffles between protesters and police officers erupted after the rally, but there were no reports of major injuries.

Prostitution is illegal in South Korea but is widespread despite repeated government crackdowns.

The rally comes weeks after officials began stationing police cars near brothels in a bid to drive away people looking to pay for sex.

The sex workers accuse a nearby department store of pushing police to take such measures. Police deny the claim.

As part of their protest, a group of prostitutes on Sunday tried to buy expensive items at the department store with only coins; when they were rejected, they placed large piles of coins on the department store's floors.

Turtle power- some great reports! Too bad you never linked up with me as my wingman. Maybe another time.

There was a place in Gangnam called Zest which was kinda neat, gone now.

I'm heading out of the country for a year or two. This forum has been invaluable. I recommend everyone to get a membership and participate in the discussion. The cost is small to support such a valuable source of information.

I would like to shout out a thank you to kimchi warrior. Your reports were inspirational and sorely missed.

Take care guys and wrap that rascal.

I'm at the InterCon and feeling like taking a walk to this place. How do I get GPS co-ords out of the Daum map? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Turtle Power; 1156035]Hi again,

So this is why I quit this hobby. I can't have the last session I have to be bad because I keep thinking about it. So I try a well known place. I thought I try IVY for the first time.

It's near COEX shopping mall. It is across from the City Air Terminal where you can check in your suitcases for your flight and get a shuttle to the airport. It's near the Samseong Station which is on Line 2 (green).

Here is a daum road map (I know it's well known but I'm really terrible with written directions. GPS coordinates and screenshot saves me so much time finding a place).

[url]http://local.daum.net/map/index.jsp?pan=304.35147414791874&tilt=-1.169788831725425&zoom=3&panoid=1016966234&screenMode=normal&map_type=TYPE_SKYVIEW&map_hybrid=true&map_attribute=ROADVIEW&q=[/url]

%EC%82%BC%EC%84%B1%EC%97%AD&urlX=512900&urlY=1113850&urlLevel=3.

I can't remember if it was 70, 000 or 80, 000. Walk in with no reservation. Very nice front desk guy. It was 1am but it was busy. The rooms look like narrow professional massage rooms. The rooms are closed off by curtains not doors. You can easily hear the other girls and guys which kind of bothered me. Showered and came back. The girl was cute. Gave me foot wash in the sink. Weak massage but I found that she was trained to speak very well to customers which made me think that they girls are instructed to because there was so much talking in the other rooms. Took her top off and gave a gelled handjob. She was very nice and smiley but told me that I was taking too long to cum which totally killed the mood and that her arm was getting tired. I was like "doesn't saying that make the guy not cum sooner". Her name was Sora with a black and white one piece.

Very professional and clean place. I would describe it as "dependable" but you'd just go there for the conversation (if you are Korean). There are better places for massages (like near SNU station and refer to my previous review) and go to Cool or Belle to get a BBBJ or more heavy rubbing and touching. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eisflamme; 1155885]Thanks Zarcardy, same situation here: Kyopo, from beginning on trained to keep his privates shaved (though the rest is still hairy LOL). Anyway, will keep it in mind and stay away from the bathhouses here in Gwangju. I'll be in Seoul beginning of next week, if you need a wingman let me know (don't actually know whether I can read messages without subscription).

One more thing: Gildo was mentioning Hue Anma near the Renaissance Hotel. Could anybody please give me a direction as of which street I should take? And has anybody tried their two girl program and could tell me more. I couldn't find anything and I am intersted in trying that (or another 3some-like program you might know of in Seoul). I promise I will write a report if I get any action. The (_be) [/QUOTE]Ya I went to hue for that. The event is only available during the daytime (Before 8). But when I went the girls were not so fantastic looking. I ended up getting a refund because I just couldn't do it.

I am not sure of the directions, but I think it was close to Renassaince. Right across from hue is this big golf shop called kIM young something. But hue is easy to miss. You have to go inside this alley. The alley is right across from the golf shop, which is right across from Renaissance.

[quote=turtle power; 1156018]hey everyone,

i had been on hiatus on for awhile (always wrap it up) but had kept lurkering on the site to get the most out of my subscription. but i saw that gildo had posted some attachment docs which had a fetish title. i was curious if there was a place near where i lived. and to my happy surprise there was. it is near sillim9dong or seoul national university. the crazy thing is that i had walked by it for months. it is called imagenoble but the outside sign is called club. n. b.

here is a link to a road map.

[url]http://local.daum.net/map/index.jsp?pan=343.4558436655975&tilt=-18.38239592711391&zoom=2&panoid=1017058783&screenmode=normal&map_type=type_skyview&map_hybrid=true&map_attribute=roadview&q=&urlx=486587&urly=1103148&urllevel=3[/url]

the number is 02-873-7034 ext. 5 (but i didn't have to use 5). the guy does not speak english. there are no managers that speak english.

you need a i'd / password or korean national i'd number to access their site but you can use google search to go through a few pages through the backdoor.

here is the webpage for the stats of the "managers" but you cannot click on their individual message post reviews.

[url]http://imagenoble.com/src/bbs/board.php?bo_table=sub0201[/url]

the fancy part of this place is that there are special themed rooms like japan room, school room, bar room, subway room, jail room, and hospital room. here is the page with some thumbnails.

[url]http://imagenoble.com/src/bbs/board.php?bo_table=sub0104[/url]

i finally broke my break be / see i was just curious. i called and made a reservation. i'm korean but speak little or no korean. so i try to talk as little as possible so they don't reject me. they ask what time and your reservation name. remember it's on the 3rd floor and it's the non-labeled door on the right as you walk up to the 3rd floor. the other door on the left is something else. i was confused and went in the wrong door at first. i went in the right door and the guy is a young guy but built like a tank. we made formal introductions and he took a second look at me since of my western accent. we looked at each other for a minute and i didn't know if he was going to pull a gun on me. he relaxed and lead me to a room while trying to keep analyzing me. standard routine with get undressed, take a shower, and press the call button.

each room has like a foam mattress, dance pole. the girl that i met was very nice and really embarrassed that i didn't speak korean well. i knew this wasn't going to be a mind blowing session because of the breaking of the 4th wall and we couldn't communicate well. so i thought i would get as much information as i could. here is what i learned and i would hope that you use this information without throwing me under the bus because i'd like to go back some day.

the standard rules for hand job places. touching is allowed but nothing under the clothes. you can't kiss. some managers allow you to touch under their bra and their breasts. but she said that every manager is different with different tastes and preferences. you get an hour with the girl. they'll give you handjob with the typical gel and clean you up with wet tissues. she said a lot of guys have fetishes for stockings and legs so a lot of girls do rubbing with their feet but i honestly couldn't get it up that way. she offered a spit fetish which is where while giving me a handjob she drools spit over my cock and shows her tongue but doesn't lick your cock. she said that the most comfy room for the girls is the bar room because of the big comfy couch. she said that the least comfortable place is the subway room because the flat large seat (it's more of a felted desk flush with the wall). i saw the subway room and it was well decorated but i could tell that it would not be comfortable to lie there. she said guys like that the most. she said that it would be good for me because it usually doesn't involve speaking. the hospital one is used when guys pretend to be patients with erectile defunction and she "tries" to cure you. the school rooms were you can choose to be a student or teacher but she said you should let the girl be the teacher because they're much better at leading. some guys like s&m where they'll be yelled at but only some of the girls do that. no room looked like it could handle crazy stuff like a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url]. she said that the most common request is just posing and there are mirrors in each room.

i asked about foreigners as she said that i was the first gyopo and she said that it was just awkward talking with me so no girls couldn't do any role playing. she said that they did have an indo guy which i am thinking of an indian guy. she suggested the subway room because there is little or no talking. she said it is just too hard or too awkward to have a role play with a non-korean speaking person. i was way too shy to ask for anything but i would guess that they would take direction well and you do have the hour. she did say that they do get fucking crazy people but they kick them out easily. they probably don't just have a dancing pole in each room for nothing, right? i just gave her a break and cuddled for the rest of the hour.

she said that they are undergoing renovations and repairs. typically there is a monitor in each room which is attached to the changing room so you can see girls changing while you wait. but they're having tech difficulties. they used to let customers pick clothes but the clothes room is in disarray so they don't do that but the owner is working on it along with the renovations.

from my review it's a nice place because the rooms are nicely decorated and the girls look all 9's. you're just going to be paying 70, 000won for the atmosphere of the room. i liked it compared to the super cramped kiss rooms. but if you want a good massage or better service (like bbbj) i'd try a double pole service or a place like cool. i was disappointed because it was a lackluster handjob but the girl was very polite, nice, and beautiful. she also answered all my questions and gave me a tour of the rooms. so i think the info was worth it for this board.[/quote]do you remember the name of the girl?

you're awesome. thanks a lot. do you mind posting the websites for the hj / fetish places?

Hehe. As luck would have it, the lady from my office took me to lunch and we walked right past VIP! So. There will be a visit later this evening. Yum!

[QUOTE=HeavyFuel;1156292]I'm at the InterCon and feeling like taking a walk to this place. How do I get GPS co-ords out of the Daum map? Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brian 3232; 1156334]Ya I went to hue for that. The event is only available during the daytime (Before 8). But when I went the girls were not so fantastic looking. I ended up getting a refund because I just couldn't do it.

[/QUOTE]Cheers Brian, this already helps a lot. Sorry to hear that you didn't like what was on display, I think I will try it anyway. Does that mean you left without doing anything or you chose to have only the normal package?

5 more days until I leave for Seoul. I'm getting antsy.

I read from media reports about a protest set by pimps and WG in the streets of Seoul (RDL I assume) against the recent LE enforcements against RLD and the abouts.

Can anyone there elaborate a bit on the mongering side and effects (apart the usual ones as in many places LE is awake!) of the LE action and the impact of the protest?

I mean, in many countries such a protest would have been stopped by LE immediately.

From image reports it looked as the protest went on calmly and as a legitimate one.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1156611]I read from media reports about a protest set by pimps and WG in the streets of Seoul (RDL I assume) against the recent LE enforcements against RLD and the abouts.

Can anyone there elaborate a bit on the mongering side and effects (apart the usual ones as in many places LE is awake!) of the LE action and the impact of the protest?

I mean, in many countries such a protest would have been stopped by LE immediately.

From image reports it looked as the protest went on calmly and as a legitimate one. [/QUOTE]Protests in Korea are not illegal. Protesting here is a national sport; every week in the summer there's something being protested in Kwanghwamun. Nothing for LE to break up as long as everyone there is peaceful.

This is not the first protest by pimps and hos. Probably more like the 6th or 7th. They've been going on for the last few years, ever since the (then) new Police Chief decided to close all the RLDs. Six (seven?) years on, and they're still there (although smaller).

No impact on mongering aside from the fact that RLDs have gotten smaller (and working girls moving to officetels or the Internet). Doesn't really matter to me anyway as I never go to the RLDs aside from the one time I went to Miari pre-crackdown. Not my thing.

i've only been to yongsan (when it was open) and yeungdeungpo rld. the a-row girls there are definitely comparable to the hotter girls in itaewon but again there were not as pretty girls too. it would be like if the a row and b row girls were all on a small street. actually the funniest moment was when one drunk old korean man stopped walking suddenly and started to say something along the lines of "daaaaaaammmmmmmnnnn! that's fucking hot" in korean. i walked to see what he was peering at and it was a bombshell in a polkerface dress that made my jaw drop. again i know that it is common knowledge that there are bottom feeders in itaewon which you would never see in a a-row at a rld, but i felt there was enough eye candy for even most guys.

i didn't partake or go into any bars in itaewon. maybe just circled the hill a few times. i felt i'd be eaten alive if i went if without any prep which is something that i think that rlds wouldn't have. i haven't had to haggle much at rlds for a good deal. also (this is just my assumption) that the girls of itaewon would have a different kind of sexuality than the girls at rld since they are catering to different audiences. my assumption would be like watching asian made porn and western porn. also i just want to explain in english what i want instead of a girl giving me the raised eyebrow and have me explain it like i'm a toddler.

as for belle and cool. i find cool pretty consistent with hotties and sometimes you win the lottery. all the girls at cool were tall and looked like they could work at car shows. belle on the other hand is like playing russian roulette but most of the girls i've met go much farther than the rules allow you to. belle would be more like the girl next door from my experience.

i have heard that the prettiest girls are at room salons. actually in a recent article in the paper even though the economy has been hard on karaoke rooms with a decrease of 13, room salons have flourished and are doing well despite a slump in economic times. but i guess it would be much more expensive as it would be a couple hundred dollars for the room and then more money to take the girl home. i wouldn't consider myself a cheap-ass but i don't think i could spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars for one girl even if they were a 10.

[quote=zarcady; 1156173]hey turtle power! thanks for the great infos, i just have a couple of questions that i want to ask you.

how would you rate the sps at itaewon that are easily available for foreigers to sps at the rld that are more accesible to native koreans? i've heard alot of good reports about knockout sps being available at the hookers hill especially in hj places like belle or cool but then i also heard that it doesn't really compare to the sps that are available to native koreans and that if you are korean, then you are better off to monger elsewhere.

i'm a gyopo myself and i haven't been refused anywhere so far because my korean is passable. i wouldn't say the quality of the sps are outstanding in the places that i've been to and was really curious as to the quality of the sps at itaewon.

maybe you can give me a quick rundown on the differences? it would help me alot =d.

cheers! [/quote]

You right click and in the drop down menu it should be you the option of destination pin (Here is the Korean symbols &46020; &52265.

Or if the Korean is just too much (as it is for me) you can cross reference the spot with Google Maps. Again right click to place a pin for destination. It'll show the GPS coordinates in the left hand panel. Copy and paste the numbers in general Google search which will give you the correct "degree" annotations.

The GPS coordinates for VIP are "+37° 30' 33. 88", +127° 3' 29. 60"

[QUOTE=HeavyFuel;1156292]I'm at the InterCon and feeling like taking a walk to this place. How do I get GPS co-ords out of the Daum map? Thanks![/QUOTE]

The girl that helped me out at ImageNoble was Honey. I cross referenced her name afterward with the manager list. I was sad to see that she wasn't there but I'm either guessing that they haven't updated the website or she lied to me. I'm hoping the former since she was very nice, patient and I thought I gave her a very easy session.

She told me she is 165cm tall. She has braces which she had for little less than one year but still hurt. She has very long wavy hair which nice to look at. She is very pretty and I would give her a 8/10. You're going to be expecting an A cup but she declined to take off her top but let me slide my hand in her dress as much as I wanted. If it wasn't for all the Q&A I would have considered it a loss considering I wasn't into the themed room as much as people who go there are and I'd leave happier at a good massage place or from a place like Belle. She is a nice polite girl and said that she doesn't do the S&M prison room. Which makes me kind of wonder what kind of ***** works that room. LOL.

[QUOTE=Brian 3232; 1156357]Do you remember the name of the girl?

You're awesome. Thanks a lot. Do you mind posting the websites for the HJ / fetish places? [/QUOTE]

I understand around times square / Marriott there is some action can anyone give.

Me some walking directions? Thanks