German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1874943]

What it is, the traffickers (or should I say loverboys) know which types have the vulnerabilities. Disadvantaged, from a poor village, under-educated, with either ignorant or unreliable guardians (or none) financially or psychologically. They are prime targets for these reasons. Not to mention, young and naive.

It gets pointed out that a lot of these girls don't even know where they are taken, or often times don't have much knowledge on the outside world. Less they know, easier to convince.

They are not independent types. These types don't have the funds, or the knowhow to venture out on their own. Also, they need contacts, family or friends to get them settled in those places. If they don't, and somebody promises them to take them to a place with a decent pay, with housing, and etc. , they are living in a rut, they will be easily convince. The best targets are ones that have nothing to lose.

And as been mentioned, if the trafficker knows the location of the girl's family, that can be used against them.[/QUOTE]Good points on the profile of girls that can be easily convinced. What I would add is that there are probably some girls who don't need to be convinced. They see their girlfriends coming back to RO with designer bags, and they want the same. Someone who she knows and trusts, has just returned from the battlefield with the spoils of war. Her friend on the surface seems happy but maybe fighting inner-demons. The gang or pimp has a vested interest in allowing the most obedient girls to have the nicest cars, jewelry, and clothes. Because this is the exactly the type of girl that will be capable of recruiting other girls. She becomes like a walking billboard. Whether it be a loverboy or a WG, their primary role is to get the girl on the plane / bus out of RO. They collect their finder's fee and are out of the picture. Someone on the other end is responsible for training or breaking her in.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1875078]Agree 100%. The ultimate goal of the moralists is to shut establishments like the FKKs down altogether, They won't say it, but we know what their true aim is. If it was something different, then why is it they never ask the girls or us what we want? Imagine that! Considering the opinions of those who partake from both the supply and the demand side. A novel approach! But when you really don't care (even though you say you do at least where the girls are concerned) you don't ask. Once again, actions speak louder than words![/QUOTE]So let hope the bill will be rejected and won't turn into law. Not all bills get pass through.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1875359]Good points on the profile of girls that can be easily convinced. What I would add is that there are probably some girls who don't need to be convinced. They see their girlfriends coming back to RO with designer bags, and they want the same. Someone who she knows and trusts, has just returned from the battlefield with the spoils of war. Her friend on the surface seems happy but maybe fighting inner-demons. The gang or pimp has a vested interest in allowing the most obedient girls to have the nicest cars, jewelry, and clothes. Because this is the exactly the type of girl that will be capable of recruiting other girls. She becomes like a walking billboard. Whether it be a loverboy or a WG, their primary role is to get the girl on the plane / bus out of RO. They collect their finder's fee and are out of the picture. Someone on the other end is responsible for training or breaking her in.[/QUOTE]We clients help breaking girls in at the final phase.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1875058]Do you really think prostitutes will call polizei when they have problems with small dick hells or pimps? Unfortunately, they won t because too afraid, I thought you knew better than me what happened to 2 Sharks girls in last 2 months.

But they shouldn't be afraid of these no men and call the police.[/QUOTE]And that is precisely one of the aims of the proposed new law. Get the girls a good understanding of their situation and how they can manage their profession in a better way so they don't have to turn to some shady "protectors".

[QUOTE=XXL;1875051]The hidden agenda of the new law (as of any prostitution law) is too diminish supply and get men back to the plantation.
[/QUOTE]Did you actually even read the law proposal?

Hidden agendas mainly only exist in the mind of internet conspiracy people.

This law is a genuine effort to better protect the working girls. In true German style it may very well go a bit overboard with the administration of it and indeed it has an element of counseling which will contain information about getting out of the scene, but in general it is not aimed at making it more difficult to become or remain a prostitute. If anything, it will tend to make being a prostitute more of a "normal" job.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1875058]Do you really think prostitutes will call polizei when they have problems with small dick hells or pimps? Unfortunately, they won t because too afraid, I thought you knew better than me what happened to 2 Sharks girls in last 2 months.

But they shouldn't be afraid of these no men and call the police.[/QUOTE]I know what happened. And I know girls are afraid to call the police as they think they are as corrupt as in their home country. Still it would be a solution for many situations.

McA's scenario is not what happens. Plenty of independent girls without any gang protection are working and bringing their money home without any issues. You're watching too many Hollywood movies.

There's a lot of the younger girls having a boyfriend, manager, fish. But there's no need for that.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1875503]I know what happened. And I know girls are afraid to call the police as they think they are as corrupt as in their home country. Still it would be a solution for many situations.

McA's scenario is not what happens. Plenty of independent girls without any gang protection are working and bringing their money home without any issues. You're watching too many Hollywood movies.

There's a lot of the younger girls having a boyfriend, manager, fish. But there's no need for that.

HB.[/QUOTE]FKK Artemis raid was originated by the ex girl friend of HA. She got pissed off and tipped off Police about HA. That is what police and some media said.

If this were to be true, then whatever she tipped off must have been solid info backed with some evidence, plus willing to testify in court because that tipped off info ended up in 900 cops raid. Half that then it is still 450 cops raid at FKK Artemis.

So tipping off police seems to work.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1875501]Did you actually even read the law proposal?

Hidden agendas mainly only exist in the mind of internet conspiracy people.

This law is a genuine effort to better protect the working girls. In true German style it may very well go a bit overboard with the administration of it and indeed it has an element of counseling which will contain information about getting out of the scene, but in general it is not aimed at making it more difficult to become or remain a prostitute. If anything, it will tend to make being a prostitute more of a "normal" job.[/QUOTE]So you think that feminist German social workers with intermediate English "counselling" Rumanian girls (with elementary or non existent English) about the need to give up a 10 000 euro a month sex job and take up a 700 euro a month chore as a shop-assistant in Bucharest is anything else than a kafkaesque set-up to deter foreign girls from working in Germany?

Some girls may want to sacrifice what they earn to keep a bad boy or a thug but that's nothing you and I can or should do anything about. Girls love bad boys, period. If you prevent/protect such girls from doing sex work, they will not leave the bad boy. What will change is that you will no longer get any of her because she will have been "protected out".

Both sexes can act foolishly. Men with their own house and a million in the bank marry girls whom they feel will most certainly take them to the cleaner before the family court and make them broke and homeless 2 or 3 years down the road, but they do it all the same! No counselling for those men though they would badly need it.

98% of people living off a spouse/cohabitant are women. Isn't it about time those kept women were prosecuted on pimping charges?

You're a blue-piller. Take the red-pill man, wake up, it's never too late! Wymmyns, manginas, white-knights, owned (married) men and assorted feminoids (80% of the men, alas!) want to do away with prostitution worldwide. Don't be one of them! Know which side your bread is buttered on!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1875354]Strong prey on the weak and vulnerable. This is the law of the streets. In California, MS-13 extorts $25-$100 a week from illegal immigrant Mexican street food vendors. In Beijing corrupt police beat and extort prostitutes for money. And what about all the migrants that are overrunning Europe? They are getting extorted too (by Balkan crime syndicates and corrupt border police). Drug dealers get robbed by other drug dealers and corrupt police. Common denominator here is, the extorter knows these types of victims will not report due to their "illegal" status.

Here is an article titled "Chinese businesses in Jamaica favor cash transactions, attract criminal attention". The author states "criminal elements including police personnel have been extorting money from some Chinese business operators. " The author outlines the reason: "Chinese businessmen are known to drive around with cash. Because they don't use the banking system. They don't want to do that because they don't want to pay the 25 or 30 per cent tax. " Remind you of anyone?

Now do you see my logic? The following things create a sort of perfect storm that make people victims of extortion: organized crime presence, corrupt authorities, insistence on storing / carrying large amounts of cash, evading taxes, questionable legal status. All are in play for WGs who are not able to leave RO behind.
[/QUOTE]How about about some credible articles on Romania? LOL. I understand there are corruption that goes on in different parts of the world, and to a degree it can happen anywhere. Sure, Tijuana I've heard about, and people can run into the the wrong person at the wrong time. Chances are high in those parts. In those parts where the root of the problem is corrupt from top down to enforcement.

Well, it seems likely that girls that come from a country where they have knowledge or experienced corrupt policing to initially think police are unreliable (the ill informed). Supposedly Romania is clamping down on traffickers, etc. To meet the demands to be included as part of the Schengen area.

[URL]http://eeagrants.org/programme/view/RO21/PA30[/URL]

Reason that seems plausible that Romies are adverse to doing any business with the Romanian men at the clubs goes inline with what you theorize. The Romanian men around being linked to criminal organization back in Romania, and that having some consequences back in Romania for the girls.

Perhaps there are people in clubs that are watchful of the WGs in the clubs (estimating how much they earn), and getting information about where they are headed back in Romania can be used against them (linked to an organization back in Ro). More of a reason for Romies to bullshit any personal info (their familial whereabouts in Romania) to anyone, which I don't see any reason for them to give out real personal info to any clients (people generally do not give out real personal info with anybody that are not close acquaintances). Who knows what ways people can pull information from these girls (a trustworthy colleague, some con-artist that can get close). This all depends on what methods these organizations use to track the down the girls.

There are sources that state the way trafficking works. Girls get picked up, sent, and on the other end takes care of the girl in some way. In this situation, they use some sort of scare tactics, threats, and any methods possible to contain them from outside influences.

What we know in how girls get into the industry. Some way for them to find out (referrals, word of mouth, or other types of people that reaches out to them like loverboys) as I doubt that they happen to run into a club website. For the instance that a WG that is on holiday is letting others aware of the opportunity in her village, and the criminal organization may have already been working with that WG, that's a way for them to gain insider info. This seems reasonable with contacts in Germany being linked to those in Romania.

[QUOTE=Prurient6;1874968]Here is my related story:

Back in 2003, at the now defunct but formerly very popular FKK Atlantis (in Altenstadt near Frankfurt), there was a stunning Thai woman. I had a couple of wonderful encounters with her. (Sexually speaking, she was my dream woman, and to this day the very best sexual partner I ever had, but that's another story.) She was using the stage name Joy; some of you may have met her. At least back then, Joy spoke no German and only fragmentary English. She said she had come to Germany 2 years earlier by marrying a German man who promised they would open a Thai restaurant in Frankfurt together; instead, he put her to work at Atlantis and took the money she earned, buying himself a new car among other things. I stayed in touch with her (long-distance) and learned that she was trying to get away from him but was afraid to go to the police. I did some research and explained that there was nothing to be afraid of and that in fact she had earned the right to live in Germany after those two years; alas, her husband was feeding her contradicting infos and telling her that the police would arrest her and throw her in jail. She said she wanted to get away and had bought a ticket back to Thailand but her husband had found and destroyed the ticket and was also keeping her passport. Her fear of the police was legally unjustified, but practically perhaps not, given how helpless yet incredibly attractive she was. One day, I made a whole bunch of phone calls and wrote emails to various places in Thailand and Germany, and eventually found an organization in Berlin that was assisting Thai victims of trafficking. After much insistence, I convinced Joy to let me give them her phone number. They spoke Thai to her, explained the legal situation, helped her get away from that asshole and get a regular work permit. (In the meantime, he probably traveled back to Thailand and found another victim.).[/QUOTE]Interesting story, and could explain how some girls not of EU get's into the industry.

I've seen a docu about the living situations in Thai is so bad that the girls in are looking for marriage from guys that travel abroad to Thailand as sex tourists. It points out the extent the girls go to find financial stability.

[QUOTE=Prurient6;1874968]Here is my related story:

She was using the stage name Joy; some of you may have met her.[/QUOTE]Why mention her name again after all that time? You are causing trouble for her.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1876235]Why mention her name again after all that time? You are causing trouble for her.

HB.[/QUOTE]Hmm, well, but that's just the old Atlantis stage name. By that token, we shouldn't use any stage names in events described here. Her work history as related by others is still written in these forums, including her whereabouts after returning. The fact that she got away is obviously known to that guy. The only thing he could have learned from me is that she had some modest help from a john, as I'm sure happens frequently. If he's still in the biz, he's likely occupied with his current slave. Like I wrote before, I think these guys pretty much factor in that they cannot maintain disinformation until a girl burns out or ages, given the job she's doing, which involves lots of social contact. To keep girls for years and years, they'd have to lock them up in a basement, like that fuck face in Austria a while ago--now there's an even lower class of asshole.

[QUOTE=Prurient6;1876387]Hmm, well, but that's just the old Atlantis stage name. By that token, we shouldn't use any stage names in events described here. Her work history as related by others is still written in these forums, including her whereabouts after returning. The fact that she got away is obviously known to that guy. The only thing he could have learned from me is that she had some modest help from a john, as I'm sure happens frequently. If he's still in the biz, he's likely occupied with his current slave. Like I wrote before, I think these guys pretty much factor in that they cannot maintain disinformation until a girl burns out or ages, given the job she's doing, which involves lots of social contact. To keep girls for years and years, they'd have to lock them up in a basement, like that fuck face in Austria a while ago--now there's an even lower class of asshole.[/QUOTE]So you are saying such brutality is still going on in German FKK?

I am aware that all girls in FKK has some problem in their life one way or another, that is why they are there to earn money, but I never learnt German big FKK like let say Artemis as brutal as you described. Such thing may happen in low end brothel or cheap flat rate club, but I feel not in big established FKK.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1876759]So you are saying such brutality is still going on in German FKK?

I am aware that all girls in FKK has some problem in their life one way or another, that is why they are there to earn money, but I never learnt German big FKK like let say Artemis as brutal as you described. Such thing may happen in low end brothel or cheap flat rate club, but I feel not in big established FKK.[/QUOTE]Oh no no, I was referring to a case that was in the news a while ago: some asshole locked up a woman for years in his basement; he even fathered one or more children with her and kept them all locked up. Eventually they managed to escape, or it was discovered, don't remember the details. Has nothing to do with FKKs. Just an example for evilness that goes beyond what a pimp usually does. So when I wrote "they," I meant "evil men in general. " Also happened elsewhere recently; I think in Belgium and in the US.

[QUOTE=Prurient6;1876387] The fact that she got away is obviously known to that guy. [/QUOTE]That guy wasn't my concern, it is about her doing this job and people who shouldn't to find out about it.

HB.