Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970273]I don't venture to Pattaya, but I thought the rate there was still 1000? Would have to check some of Mr. E's recent reports to verify what the baseline is.[/QUOTE]The prices in Mr. E's reports represent the bottom line, not the baseline LOL. The typical asking price in Pattaya is 1500 for ST. You might be able to negotiate 1000, but not with the good looking girls (except maybe in low season).

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970273] Many here in Bangkok have quoted me 2,000 or even 3,000 the past week (one even asked for 8,000 some days ago), but most come down to 1500 quickly enough, though not all.[/QUOTE]That is my experience as well, except that I do not try to get them down to 1500. Instead I ask for BBFS, but unfortunately most of them don't want that.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970273] In fact, one 1500 baht girl just left 10 minutes ago, and she's one of the prettier I've seen. In a go-go lineup, I'd pick her pretty quickly, while I sometimes venture through all of them without seeing anyone I like.
172 cm, 63 kg, (yes, two-three kg too much, but not excessive), 23 years, unusually good style in regards to dressing, and a pretty face too. One of the rare cases of somebody looking better in real-life. I'll be repeating.[/QUOTE]Nice catch!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970342]The prices in Mr. E's reports represent the bottom line, not the baseline LOL. The typical asking price in Pattaya is 1500 for ST. You might be able to negotiate 1000, but not with the good looking girls (except maybe in low season).

That is my experience as well, except that I do not try to get them down to 1500. Instead I ask for BBFS, but unfortunately most of them don't want that.

Nice catch![/QUOTE]This is why Mr E is dangerous. People want to believe he getting Hottie s at 1,000 .

I wanted to bring this up but I font want be labelled as a HATer.

Getting a Palace Agogo girl for 1,000 off work is highly possible. Some are BUTT Freaking ugly. Hahaha. Yes they do Clean.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970342]The prices in Mr. E's reports represent the bottom line, not the baseline LOL. The typical asking price in Pattaya is 1500 for ST. You might be able to negotiate 1000, but not with the good looking girls (except maybe in low season).

That is my experience as well, except that I do not try to get them down to 1500. Instead I ask for BBFS, but unfortunately most of them don't want that.

Nice catch![/QUOTE]LOL, my mistake about the terminology. I'm figuring if I go to Pattaya I'll offer the same for ST as Mr. E. offers for LT, and consider my ugly self to not have overpaid too much by that. Sometimes you can just tell a guy knows his stuff without having met him, so I'm pretty sure the girls he bangs are no less pretty than what other pay double for.

I've never asked for BBFS in advance, but even though they've all asked me if I have condom when arriving by my bed, or even in a message when on the way, it's with one exception (the least attractive one, amusingly enough) all been BBFS so far here in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970226]1500 is the standard rate in Pattaya, but in Bangkok the majority of the TF-girls quote me at least 2000 or more. But maybe you are younger and / or more handsome than me.[/QUOTE]Mogwai, they can all quote you that, doesn't mean you have to pay it. Haggle, never give them the first price they quote.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2970233]I use TF quite a lot when in Thailand.

1500 is standard rate for Hua Hin, 2500 - 3000 is standard for BKK. Some of the higher quality ask for 5000 or more.[/QUOTE]That's not the standard for BKK. That's the price you pay if you don't know how to haggle. Never paid more than 1500 baht in BKK and don't plan to. Some online sideline girls can be had for even less than 1000.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2970342]... I do not try to get them down to 1500. Instead I ask for BBFS, but unfortunately most of them don't want that.[/QUOTE]I'm same as you in that respect. Sometimes they ask why I want BB and I just tell them "I am old and cannot do sex with a condom," which seems to be the most successful words that I've found so far. Sometimes I tell them their price is very high and it must be no condom. Before agreeing, I always make it clear that it is "sex no condom, finish inside. " Sometimes I carry a picture of my latest STD-free test results. I also explain that "I am sterile" (they don't understand the word vasectomy).

About 3 weeks ago I did enough talking to turn a beautiful, young girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", but she was still reluctant. She did all the agreed services in the room, but she was a lousy partner. I recommend against going to the room if she seems reluctant, find somebody else.

If somebody has the magic words to change a girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", I'd like to hear those words.

[QUOTE=ThaiFriend;2970184]She said 10 K for dinner and all night with "I give you twice" promise. Apparently half of this goes to the owner. All young masseuse are encouraged to entice clients this way and try to make this lucrative arrangement happen. Told her 10 K is bit on the higher side and offered 6 K which she declined and said let's connect later. We exchanged line info and she messaged me the next day that she is off work and can go for all day date with night action for 6 K and no need to comp owner as it is her day off. I told her I will get back but ended up with my TF girl that night and never had the time to reconnect after that. If I ever return I hope she is still around. The ubiquity of cute pussy in sukh area can be overwhelming. In a joyous way![/QUOTE]A girl with SA-aspirations. FYI: there is no such thing as a bar-fine or anything similar at regular (non-sex) massage shops, and no such "lucrative arrangement" they are enticed to make happen. She was just trying to milk what she could see was a fresh of the boat tourist for money with that silly spiel. If the girl actually wants to meet you she will just call in sick or whatever, and go meet you.

If you want her to come and give you "massage in room" and book it in the shop, there's a fixed price for that too: regular shop fee plus some hundreds extra for travel and extra time going back and forth, depending on how far away your room is. Nothing silly like an extra 1000 and up, though there's always someone who will try that on.

What I'd do instead is to just go up with her and bang her in the room upstairs there and then, for something between 1000 and 2000 + whatever regular fee for 30 minutes of oil massage to the shop. I'd agree on the price while still having the foot massage, which would also make her much more inclined on agreeing to something closer to 1000 than 2000.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2970355]
[B]Getting BBFSCIP[/b]
I'm same as you in that respect. Sometimes they ask why I want BB and I just tell them "I am old and cannot do sex with a condom," which seems to be the most successful words that I've found so far. Sometimes I tell them their price is very high and it must be no condom. Before agreeing, I always make it clear that it is "sex no condom, finish inside. " Sometimes I carry a picture of my latest STD-free test results. I also explain that "I am sterile" (they don't understand the word vasectomy).

About 3 weeks ago I did enough talking to turn a beautiful, young girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", but she was still reluctant. She did all the agreed services in the room, but she was a lousy partner. I recommend against going to the room if she seems reluctant, find somebody else.

If somebody has the magic words to change a girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", I'd like to hear those words.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying with "CIP" and "finish inside" in this discussion. That is the part many omit when they report whether or not the experience was "BB", "bareback" or "BBFS".

"BB", "bareback" and "BBFS" without specifying "CIP" or "finish inside" with the girl or in a report in my mind means pulling out and finishing with a hand job or, worse, masturbation.

I evolved into including those key words "CIP" and "finish inside" over the years as well.

I can't say I know any magic words that turn an attractive, adamantly "must use condom" girl into a "no condom ok" girl. And I have explained that I am "sterile" and can show a recent negative HIV and other STD blood test result document as well. Even offering significantly more money rarely if ever changes the rule with a truly hot girl who is not desperate for money and has plenty of Condom Everything customers lined up willing to pay her first quote.

But I do have a method that used to work fairly often back when I was racking up a half dozen new girl sessions per week:

If the girl was adamant about "No boom boom without condom" in the bar I would agree to pay her first quote or very close to it for BBBJCIM but at that price it must include Swallowing all my cum at the finish. Might as well agree to it.

A surprising number of hot bargirls did agree to that, probably on the assumption that they could just fake a Swallow at the BBBJCIM finish and discretely spit it out in a tissue or sink. And, hey, then they're getting 2,500 baht for a simple BBBJCIM.

However, once in the room and they see I am not a filthy slob or an axe murderer, their stance softens, I remind them the CIM finish must include Swallowing all my cum, right?

That is when most of those hot girls would change their mind and tell me "boom boom no condom ok". It is at that point that given the choice between actually putting in more effort to give a BBBJCIM and especially being expected to Swallow all the cum, perhaps the first time some of those hot girls ever got that close to it, vs an ordinary, lazy BBBFCIP with a clean customer they feel comfortable with, the ordinary lazy BBFSCIP won the day.

Which I generally assumed it would back when I switched the negotiation from BBFSCIP to BBBJCIMSwallow in the bar.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970169]Your first time in Thailand, and you feel the need to educate local hookers on what they should charge? I doubt most of us pay more than 1500 for TF-girls in Bangkok, and no tip expected.

Good and informative report otherwise.[/QUOTE]By the tone of happiness he reported, probably the "education course" was: you are so good and should ask more than 1500. That's for the MILF on the streets. Here's another 1000 as you are worth it.

Followed by a trip to the gold shop on the third encounter, LOL.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2970188]Good first time report. So did you pay your TF friend the new rate you so nicely "educated her about" or get a repeat discount and let her raise prices on future mongers? Asking for a friend Don't sweat the bareback. BBFS is the new BBBJ. All the cool kids are doing it.[/QUOTE]I tipped her an extra 1000 for a total of 2500. I do come from a "you got to tip for anything and everything" culture. You can easily guess which country).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2970355]If somebody has the magic words to change a girl from "must use condom" to "no condom OK", I'd like to hear those words. [/QUOTE]How about "I give you tip; no condom." Or accept the girl's position on barebacking and go with the flow. For example, I never negotiate Bareback anywhere and yet approximately 25% of my Thai hooker pickups (Go Go girls and FL's) leads to BBFS on the 1st night with the percentages going up significantly on repeat visits. This is my experience in LOS for over 20 years. If you don't like these stats try a different country. As I am sure you know, Thailand has neighbors where the bareback percentages are much higher.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970273]One of the rare cases of somebody looking better in real-life. I'll be repeating.[/QUOTE]And here a prime example of the opposite, generated some minutes ago. Good luck I've started to request a selfie without filter before confirming the booking.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2970499]And here a prime example of the opposite, generated some minutes ago. Good luck I've started to request a selfie without filter before confirming the booking.[/QUOTE]555. We've all had a few of those.

I don't request a selfie, but I often require a 1-minute video chat before booking a ThaiFriendly girl.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2970460]How about "I give you tip; no condom." Or accept the girl's position on barebacking and go with the flow.[/QUOTE]Yea, offering tip is my first approach, and it often works. Earlier this month I was at Pink-X in Chiang Mai and offered what I thought was a big tip, but she refused. She said she sometimes has Korean and Japanese men offer her 15,000 baht for no condom. I can be a big tipper, but I won't go that high.

Going with the flow can end in a great BBFSCIP session or it can end in frustration for me. For about 3 years I have been unable to to finish with a condom.

Prior to 2018 I always used condom. Prior to 2022 I would go with the flow. On 2nd or 3rd session, they all turned into BBFSCIP. After about 2022 I have negotiated BBFSCIP.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2964233]I liked WoodBar. As poster says top notch BJ. I had two and both were top five stuff. To my aesthetic there are pretty girls there. Or they have a few years but were pretty. There are 800 girls and 1000 girls. I didn't see that much visual difference and took a 1000 girl. I'm going to guess the 1000's have better skills? Dunno but it was fabulous.

I suggest you don't go straight for optics. That's not what you are there for. Pick a girl who is cute but maybe has a few extra pounds or extra years. You won't be sorry. Top world BJ experience and I've had a few.[/QUOTE]I've been suggested this place for this very reason. Do they let you take vids?