Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2971800]Darwinism is all about natural selection and survival of the fittest, isn't it? It wouldn't surprise me if people who bareback all the time, built up more resistance against STDs than people who never or only occasionally bareback. Just my two cents, I don't know if there is any scientific evidence for this.
...[/QUOTE]I don't think there is any scientific evidence of this. And the lack of it suggests we can forget acquiring any "herd immunity" here on ISG (or within the red light communities). 555.

How times have changed. I remember 40 years ago on Soi Cowboy seeing Dr. Condom sponsor "street fairs" with maybe 5 or 6 informational booths right in the middle of the soi. They were complete with "games" in which every "competitor" would get a free condom. Occasionally the good doctor would enter a go go bar with his assistants and hand out condoms to the girls. Some would blow them up and bat them around like balloons. Covering up was solely a decision made by the customer. Interestingly, in the 70's, getting a blow job could be a challenge; now seems the girls would rather suck than fuck.

Back to regular programming.

Sam.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2971765]Some of it yes and some of it no. The forum rules prohibit safe sex flaming or safe sex bragging in the general discussion threads, that flaming can be done in the safe sex threads. It's OK to mention your experiences with or without condoms, but it cannot be the main focus of a report.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL][/QUOTE]It is interesting that the "it cannot be the main focus of the report" admonition appears only in the [B]No Safe Sex Complaints[/B] section of the General Rules and Posting Guidelines and, imo, quite clearly only in reference such complaints and "safe sex taunting":

[QUOTE]Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. [B]Such[/b] "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.[/QUOTE]The highlighting of the word "Such" was by me.

I would argue that the thing being said may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report is specifically "safe sex complaints and safe sex taunting" and not any reference to, say, where and how to get as much BBFSCIP as possible, even if the question and reference to BBFSCIP is the total focus of a report.

That is no different than when a question and the total focus of a report is about surcharges for Anal, Threesomes or Lesbian action. Reports on those topics, the total focus being on them or not, are acceptable but a report that is focused on complaining about those activities or taunting other members for engaging in them is not acceptable.

That is how I read it anyway unless there is a new ruling and clarification of it by the board authorities.

Hi Punters.

I have benefited from the hard work of my predecessor thus it is only fitting that I add my own little contributions.

Disclaimer: Please note the following is MY OWN HUMBLE OPINIONS ONLY. Everyone's experience and expectations would be different.

I spent 5 days and this is my takeaway.

Day 1 - just got off a 10+ hour flight from Australia. Whilst on the way to the hotel, being stuck in traffic, what does one do? I got on ThaiFriendly (aka Tinder and I opted for the paid version as I wanted to 'maximise' my chances in BKK.) Alas, I connected with a freelance (I'm deliberately spelling this out / repeating what others may have said for the benefit of our newbie punters so they don't have to look everything up like I did. I got her a Grab (a. K. a Uber elsewhere) and got her to the hotel I was staying. Most communication was done via WhatsApp. I didn't feel comfortable discussing prices and details etc on TF as I not sure of their policy. Once I connected with the girl, I would try and pivot the conversation on either WhatsApp or LINE. Damage was $5 k for ST (short time, so. 1-2 hours). Feeling tired from my flight, I called it a night.

Side note, I note that a previous punter said that his TF was inundated with messages / offers. He must be much better looking than I as I didn't have such experience. I had to actively seek and initiate conversation with the girls which I don't mind. Also, I did find that ladyboys tend to be quite upfront and would note their orientation in their profile which (no judgment) I am thankful for. I like to know what I am ordering.

Day 2 - Visiting Nana Plaza was high up on my Wishlist so I made an effort to be there just after 7 pm when they opened. As I was walking towards NP, I saw some very attractive girls converging very quickly towards NP. I guessed that they are rushing not to be late for work.

When I got there (armed with the knowledge of my predecessors) I decided to start at the top floor and work my way down. First stop was Billboard. This place is definitely seen to be believed. They had a bathtub and inside, the ladies were topless. Which I found particularly helpful as I am a fan of natural. Then in the other side of the room was a carrousel where the girls would be on display and slowly spun around offering you a comprehensive view both front and back. After a few songs, the girls would rotate off / on stage etc. So I took my time just trying to take everything in. I think BB has the best setup of all the gogo bars I visited (thought I only visited 3) simply for the fact of the carousel setup offering punters a 360 view. In the other gogo bars, whist very nice, your view of the selection of the ladies are more restricted (more on that later). Despite the abundance of choices, I decided to keep my powder dry a visited Butterfly (just opposite BB). Butterfly and BB must be the same owner / management, they set up are remarkably similar except the latter didn't have the carousel which I now grow to appreciate its value. In both of these places, I found there is a large proportion of ladies with big tattoos (beauty is in the eye of the beholder and tattoos are just not my thing).

Again, decided to move to the next one, Rainbow 4. This place felt more crowded than the previous two as the room was long and skinny. The stage is one long catwalk. In all these places, the girls would take turns being on stage. However once they are on stage, they tend to just stay in one spot, they don'ts spin around so you see their front and back nor do they move around. Meaning you will see the same small group of girls for the entire duration that they are on stage.

Later I found out that you can tell the staff you want to have a walk around to get a different perspective. However, being a newbie myself on the gogo bar scene, I just sat quietly where I was told. In all 3 gogo bars the ladies wore bikinis on stage.

I did finally spot a girl of my type. I told the mamasan her number and she came down next to me for a lady drink. I don't remember exactly how much these drinks were but it wasn't enough to leave an impression on me. The mamasan also wanted a drink too so I said why not. This girl knowledge of English was a good, an important factor for me as communicating through google while doing the good deed is a mood killer for me.

We discussed LT (long time) which is basically 6 hours for $8 k + $1 k bar fine. So off we went. We got on so well that I asked her to stay the night, she wanted another $4 k and I said ok. (Yes, I can feel the wrath of the more seasoned punters) however I'm only here for a short time I want to make it as good as possible. My thinking was rather than negotiating over a $1 k here or there, give it to her, hopefully it makes a good impression and in turn leads to a better service.

Side note. Asking her to sleep over was a mistake though. I value and need my sleep and I didn't sleep well nor did she. She wasn't overly affectionate afterwards the deed was done, more like a roommate than a GF. So lesson learnt, LT is good for me as it allows me the right amount of time to get to know them better and not be in a rush. If you take a girl from NP, the time to find a hotel is counted in your session. Basically time starts when she sits down inside the club agreeing on $ with you.

Day 3 - rest day.

Day 4 - I wanted to try some of the soapy massages places. I have had them in my prior visits to BKK. I narrowed down to Poseidon and Aya. However all I could find was mixed reviews about older ladies etc so I decided to give them a miss and decided to go on TF again.

After some back and forth, I connected with a lady and I invited her to lunch first. (After my first experience, whist I won't go as far as to say I was catfished, let's just say the photos are heavily photoshopped and / or outdated.) Just to make sure she is my type. I offered to compensate her for her time to have lunch but she declined which was a positive in my books. After lunch I propositioned that we go back to my room which she agreed. $5 k for LT.

As my time in Bangkok was quickly draining to an end and I was running out of time to go through my Wishlist, I decided to head to Therme later that night to see for myself.

The place is underground. If it wasn't for the photos of others, I would have had a hard time finding this place. This place is run by papasans. Once through the door, you are directed to go buy a drink which I obliged. I arrived about 8. 30 to 9 pm. The girls are all just 'standing around'. The girls were dressed like in smart casual not particularly revealing or sexy like at NP. So it was a bit hard for me to form a conclusion if she is my type or not. With my drink in hand, I did a lap around and settled in an empty spot with the rest of the horny men (myself included). Again, I'll felt stupid if I did another loop and not talk to anyone (I know, it's just in my head) so I just walked to a different section of the 'middle bench' to get a different perspective. What I found interesting and fascinating was the lack of conversation between the men and the women. Like both parties know why they are there but the reluctance remains to stay in ones perceived comfort zone. I was like that too until I caught myself and decided to walk over and talk to a quiet looking cute girl otherwise I would regret it coming all this way just to 'stand' there also. I asked if she understood English. She said little. I offered to buy her a drink and she ordered a soft drink and some popcorn. She barely took a sip or a bite but I felt a bit rushed as she kept asking if I'm going to choose her. I ignored the first time she said it and tried to have a conversation with her then she brought it up again. Let's be very clear, the room setup (it is what it is) felt more like a high school dance with the awkwardness and everything. This time I said yes I want to choose you, how much for LT? $8 k. Done. Off we went back to my room.

Afterwards on each occasions with the ladies, I always offered a Grab to take the girls to 'home'. Most said yes and appreciated the small gesture.

Day 5 - I thought about going back to NP or Soi Cowboy but in the end, decided to contact the girl I had met on Day 2 from Rainbow 4. I asked if she want to have dinner. Luckily she didn't have to work and said yes. I proposed us have dinne and another $8 k for LT. Had a great time and laugh. She chose a French restaurant and judging by her demeanour I would say she didn't have had French before, in a funny way, not snobbish way. She was impressed by the delicacy of the dishes.

The restaurant had just opened and don't have a credit card machine set up, the only way to pay is to scan the QR code which I'm told only local people can do or pay cash. Dinner was $4 k and she offered to pay for dinner first (at this point in time, I haven't paid her anything yet). I was touched by her gesture that when it came time to say our goodbyes, I gave here $2 k extra tip (total $10 k) in the end because I had a good time and found her to be nice and genuine.

Said goodbye, wish her safe travel home and went to bed as I had an early flight the next day. Left BKK very happy with my adventures.

In all the occasions I decided to bring the girls back to my hotel room. I don't feel comfortable in a ST hotel. I took the advice of other punters and just put everything valuable in the safe that is provided in the room, keep outside only what you are going to pay her. Keep the room declutter. I stayed at the JW Marriot and the staff were great. We offered her ID to the concierge once but they declined.

Hope others find this rant to be of use.

[QUOTE=CuriousGeorge5;2971850].[/QUOTE]I understand that you were only here for a few days but the prices you paid are insane.

Last 3 times I went to Pattaya, I had a ST with the most beautiful girl I've ever had the pleasure of.

And I paid her 1000 thb each time. No tips.

If I was going to pay a girl 10 k she'd have to look like Miss World and be covered in white chocolate and cocaine.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2971800]Darwinism is all about natural selection and survival of the fittest, isn't it? It wouldn't surprise me if people who bareback all the time, built up more resistance against STDs than people who never or only occasionally bareback. Just my two cents, I don't know if there is any scientific evidence for this.

And beside that: it wasn't nature that came up with the condom, was it? LOL.[/QUOTE]Obviously, we both have a bias, I was thinking more along the line of their extinction as a specie like the Dodo bird.

At CuriousGeorge5.

I'm wondering about the babe in Thermae that nicked you for 8 K, got a description, where she was standing etc?

Happened to see an interesting YouTube video that featured a gal said to be a dancer at a Nana Plaza go go bar. The interviewer asked her a lot of questions and her answers confirmed much that is written on this board. If you have 20+ minutes to kill (and are interested) you can view it here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBz1TGaur24[/URL]

Sam.

P.S. I posted this to the BKK forum, as the information is BKK-related, though I suspect much / most of the info presented would apply to other RLDs in other cities.

I think there are two words in the Posting Guidelines section of the ISG General Rules regarding posts about Safe Sex or BBFS / BBFSCIP that can sometimes lead to a misunderstanding of the Guidelines on it because they are somewhat awkwardly placed and used.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971749][b]General Rules[/b]

According to ISG General Rules and Posting Guidelines, talk about BBFS, BBFSCIP or any other sexual activity between consenting adult men and women is perfectly acceptable and appropriate in this and other general discussion threads.

What is NOT acceptable is for Members to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures. They may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread.

[B]Posting Guidelines[/B]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL]
[b]No Safe Sex Complaints[/b]
Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment. However...

[B]No Safe Sex Bragging[/b]
Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment.

If you want to criticize another member for not following what you consider to be safe sex practices, then send him a PM.

It does no good to criticize members for not following what other members may consider to be safe sex practices for the following reasons:

It never serves to change any one's behavior.
It's a disincentive for members to contribute.
It almost always leads to arguments.
It provides a "cover" for Serial Antagonists to provoke other members.

To address the usual arguments:

If a guy wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's his risk and his business.

If a girl wants to engage in sex without using a condom, that's her risk and her business.

If YOU want to protect yourself from either or both of the aforementioned parties, then YOU should use a condom for sex all the time and thus YOU will be protected from the allegedly unsafe sex practices of the other parties.[/QUOTE]Those two potentially misleading words are "However" and "[B]Bragging[/B]" as seen in the quote above between the first and second paragraph of the Posting Guidelines.

The placement of the word "However" suggests that an opposite or "on the other hand" admonition is about to follow the previous admonition. But that is not what follows. What follows is simply more of the same admonissions to post [B]No Safe Sex Complaints[/B] or "safe sex taunts" in the general discussion threads such as the Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports threads.

And the word "[B]Bragging[/B]" in the very next topic headline, [B]No Safe Sex Bragging[/B], that does immediately follow that word "However" is misleading because for many if not most men we expect to hear "bragging" from someone experiencing lots of BBFSCIP from many different women rather than from someone who rarely or never experiences it.

But read the entire section again and you will see the latter is exactly what that Guideline is about; admonishing Members not to "brag" about how wonderful they are to always engage in safe or safer sex, always wearing a condom for FS and perhaps other sex acts and lording it over the rest of us not doing so and for being sinful slackers.

To be clear, that Guideline is saying don't "brag" about engaging in safe or safer sex.

In the past some of us have been attacked by other Members for supposedly violating the ISG General Rules or Posting Guidelines for "bragging" about getting BBFSCIP with this or that lady, always preferring and negotiating for it etc as mentioned in our reports when in fact that admonission is not about that at all. It is about the exact opposite of that. The attackers had misread and / or misunderstood the Guideline about it.

Once we put those two words aside and not be misled or distracted by them, we see that every sentence in the Posting Guidelines on the topic of Safe Sex is telling Members who don't want or don't like others experiencing BBFSCIP or engaging in any sex act they deem to be unsafe or unwise to Shut The Fuck Up about it in the general discussion thread and keep your opinion and philosophy about that to yourselves, especially with regard to devoting the main focus of a post about it. The only possible exception being some comment in passing that is not the main point and focus of your report or post.

Otherwise, the Guideline makes it quite clear to take your "we should all wear condoms and be safe" opinion and philosophy to the Safe Sex Thread and keep it out of the general discussion threads such as the Bangkok Reports and Pattaya Reports threads.

[QUOTE=CuriousGeorge5;2971850]Hi Punters.
I stayed at the JW Marriot and the staff were great. We offered her ID to the concierge once but they declined.
Hope others find this rant to be of use.[/QUOTE]That's the main reason many pay the $ to stay there IMO. They couldn't care if you bought back three guests including a midget, all would be treated by staff like they your wife.

[QUOTE=CuriousGeorge5;2971850]
Side note, I note that a previous punter said that his TF was inundated with messages / offers. He must be much better looking than I as I didn't have such experience. I had to actively seek and initiate conversation with the girls which I don't mind. Also, I did find that ladyboys tend to be quite upfront and would note their orientation in their profile which (no judgment) I am thankful for. I like to know what I am ordering.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok I usually have to actively seek and initiate conversation with the girls as well in TF. I don't know how old you are, but I think it has more to do with age than with looks (I am almost 60).
TF works much better for me in Pattaya.

In the Privacy Options of TF you can select who can contact you: females, males, transgenders. If you don't select 'transgenders', they cannot see your profile, and you cannot see their profiles.
However, be aware that ladyboys sometimes sign up as female. But those profiles usually disappear after a while, when people report them.

Thanks for the extensive and detailed report.
I agree with Lechealot that you paid too much, but that doesn't matter. We all paid too much the first time we were in Thailand.

[QUOTE=LecheAlot;2971881]I understand that you were only here for a few days but the prices you paid are insane.

Last 3 times I went to Pattaya, I had a ST with the most beautiful girl I've ever had the pleasure of.

And I paid her 1000 thb each time. No tips.

If I was going to pay a girl 10 k she'd have to look like Miss World and be covered in white chocolate and cocaine.[/QUOTE]Where did you find this most beautiful girl?

Gentlemen, I have a question that is very subjective. Long story short: I'm an east coast (US) guy. I have a trip to Tijuana coming up in a couple weeks. I'm considering canceling that trip and taking that money and buying a ticket to BKK. I've never been to Thailand. My question: is 5-7 days enough to enjoy the trip? I know the flight is brutal. Perhaps I should add, I'm really most interested in nuru massage. I'd probably hit up some gogos a couple nights. But the primary purpose would be for the massages. If I can get over 30 hours each way for 6-ish days on the ground, is it crazy to do for a short trip?

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;2971960]Where did you find this most beautiful girl?[/QUOTE]I think it's Nana Plaza Schools Girl. Beautiful and 1,000. Got to be. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2971908]At CuriousGeorge5.

I'm wondering about the babe in Thermae that nicked you for 8 K, got a description, where she was standing etc?[/QUOTE]You making it sound like he got taken for a Ride. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2971911]Happened to see an interesting YouTube video that featured a gal said to be a dancer at a Nana Plaza go go bar. The interviewer asked her a lot of questions and her answers confirmed much that is written on this board. If you have 20+ minutes to kill (and are interested) you can view it here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBz1TGaur24[/URL]

Sam.

P.S. I posted this to the BKK forum, as the information is BKK-related, though I suspect much / most of the info presented would apply to other RLDs in other cities.[/QUOTE]Good find bro. I hope the DUD watches this and apologize s to us all.