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However, nobody force them to be there[/QUOTE]That is not true for all the girls. It's not Artemis forcing them. And I don't mean economic pressure, 99% of all workers are working because they need the money.
HB.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;1877968]
However, nobody force them to be there[/QUOTE]That is not true for all the girls. It's not Artemis forcing them. And I don't mean economic pressure, 99% of all workers are working because they need the money.
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1877934]That was not what I was referring to. Never mind.
HB.[/QUOTE]I know. But if they could make a million bucks in a day, then the other problems would be less wouldn't they?
[QUOTE=Pistons;1877916] ... And finally comes what pussylicker mentioned in another thread and what several girls at various clubs have told me too. They have large families to support, or high expences back in romania for all sorts of reasons. Most of whom have been brought up in poor places and some might even have been street beggars for all we know (although they won't ever tell you that due to their self esteem).[/QUOTE]And do you think this doesn't apply to 85% of the Rumanian population, male or female?
Besides, members of this forum who harbour serious doubts about trafficking and sex-slavery in prostitution should have the honesty to immediately stop going to prostitute and give up forums such as ISG. Whether they then go on to marry a non-slave non-trafficked girl who will give them lousy sex a few times before stealing all their money and making them into alimony slaves for life, is up to them, but at least they should be consistent.
[QUOTE=Pistons;1878151]I know. But if they could make a million bucks in a day, then the other problems would be less wouldn't they?[/QUOTE]I do seriously not think so.
HB.
A lot of the girls make their own way to and from Romania at their own will. These girls typically wear hundreds of euros in designer gear, phones, drive, etc high maintenance girls. The girls are let into the clubs on the whole due to their exceptional beauty and plenty of girls outside are yearning to get a place in a FKK club. There is an element of third party protectionism and an underworld element but in Germany everything is controlled, prostitution is legal this is not Honduras. I really think that the discussions are getting carried away but anyone can disagree with me. Bucharest is not the third world and the girls do NOT come from ghettos and many girls buy homes, cars and even start businesses in Romania with their savings. At the end of the day the good looking girls can make 1000 euros in a night and they have a laugh on our account by rinsing out the wallets of guys in their 40's and 50's with fat wallets. You tell me who is having the last laugh here? Comon time to wake up guys! my opinions meant in the nicest possible way.
They don't make 1000 e per day in average. Maybe 10 days a year some of the girls reach that amount, but in average I don't think the girls makes more than 200 or 250 per day. Then comes their expences on all beauty stuff. So they are not left with much in the end. Ofcourse some girls might average 300 or even 350 e, but I don't think a single girl average 400 and up per day. After all her expences, she won't become a millionaire from this. But ofcourse the money goes alot further in romania than in western europe or usa. So she will feel like a millionaire when back home.
If these girls make 5000e a month after taxes and entry fees (if they pay that) they are happy. Any girl claiming she makes 10 000 and up a month is lying even if she is working 6 days a week. Most girls only work 5 days a week though.
But 5000e a month is a good salary anywhere in the world. The less fortunate girls are only left with 2-3000 a month. For them its very though.
It's not about prostitution being legal or not. If you think that a 18 or 19 year old Romanian girl comes to a German FKK on her own and is keeping all the money she makes: you are wrong.
There's a few girls making 600-800€/ day on average, but these are the exception.
HB.
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1878198]The girls are let into the clubs on the whole due to their exceptional beauty and plenty of girls outside are yearning to get a place in a FKK club.
At the end of the day the good looking girls can make 1000 euros in a night.[/QUOTE]The girls let into the FKK clubs first bc they pay every day full entrance fee to the club and second that they attract the guys to the club. Exceptional beauty? Where in which club? IMHO most of them average looking GND that's it and only few beauties. And most clubs let usually every girl in if she's more than 18 yo or 21 yo and speaks some English and / or German and can pay the entrance and have an ID. Times are gone when girls where waiting to get into a club. Around ten years ago this was the way and I know about clubs at this time expect a first entry fee up to 1000 Euro, but these times are gone. Nowadays only during Messe or peak season FKK clubs don't let some girls in. During the last orthodox Easter time I don't know any Hessen FKK club where a girl couldn't get in.
And 1000 Euro per night is still possible but more the exception. My guess in average for girls in average of all Hessen FKK club is a daily net income (after entrance fee and tax) of 350 euro.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1878222]It's not about prostitution being legal or not. If you think that a 18 or 19 year old Romanian girl comes to a German FKK on her own and is keeping all the money she makes: you are wrong.
There's a few girls making 600-800/ day on average, but these are the exception.
HB.[/QUOTE]Nobody believes the new girls are keeping all the money themselves. Got to be living on the moon to think such a thing. A few returning girls in their upper 20's might be though. But most likely not the romanians.
I highly doubt any girl averages 800 and even have it from a gril that I trust that absolutely nobody makes that much money on average. Then their only working weekends, and in my book that wouldn't count. If a girl told you that, then you shouldnt believe her. Its about the impression that it is normal for guys to overpay. So nothing but a salestrick...
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I highly doubt any girl averages 800. Then their only working weekends, and in my book that wouldn't count. If a girl told you that, then you shouldnt believe her. Its about the impression that it is normal for guys to overpay. So nothing but a salestrick...[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure I know which girls and which stories to believe and which not.
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1878231]I'm pretty sure I know which girls and which stories to believe and which not.
HB.[/QUOTE]So have you been watching over these top girls throughout a whole month, or even just an entire week?
I might believe the very very top few girls could reach 500 in average, since I suppose the girl I know doesnt know every fkk girl in germany, but its as far as I would stretch it.
[QUOTE=Pistons;1878233]So have you been watching over these top girls throughout a whole month, or even just an entire week?[/QUOTE]I had a mini camera installed in their left breast to watch all cash transactions live on my tablet.
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1878238]I had a mini camera installed in their left breast to watch all cash transactions live on my tablet.
HB.[/QUOTE]Nice, did you also follow the sexual moans of all the guys she blew off on your cellphone? Hehe.
But ok, you win. But only due to the mini camera :p
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1878054]That is not true for all the girls. It's not Artemis forcing them. And I don't mean economic pressure, 99% of all workers are working because they need the money.
HB.[/QUOTE]That is the point I am making, money situation forcing them and not Artemis.
As for Pimps they exist, we see their names on tattoos of girls often, but it is not like in movies where girls are beaten repeatedly. Girls are happy to be with their pimps. It is biggest mystery to most, but it is true.
Pimps can give negotiation class to executives because they are good salesmen of lies to women and remember women are the biggest consumers LOL.
How pimps do it (tell girl to prostitute themselves and give them money) is big mystery LOL.
Some pimps have few girls working for him.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1876221]How about about some credible articles on Romania? LOL.
[/QUOTE][URL]https://books.google.de/books?id=x5O9cXL-AFwC&pg=PA133[/URL]#v=onepage&q&f=false.
That is one on Bulgaria. BG shares similarities with RO: (1) ex-communist, (2) corrupt, (3) poor. Chapter 3 is all about the prostitution scene in BG. Since the discussion is about WGs working outside of their home country, the section "3. 4 Organized Crime in the Export of Prostitution" would be of particular interest. Within this section, many references to protection, security, pimps paying dues to organized crime bosses, pimps networking with other pimps or what the author refers to as "procurer networks". Last few paragraphs of this section talk about principle of mutual interest and economic benefit. By being affiliated with one procurer network, WGs avoid the risk of being exposed to another procurer network or corrupt police. If you read the wiki on "protection racket", this is the textbook definition.
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Reason that seems plausible that Romies are adverse to doing any business with the Romanian men at the clubs goes inline with what you theorize. The Romanian men around being linked to criminal organization back in Romania, and that having some consequences back in Romania for the girls.
Perhaps there are people in clubs that are watchful of the WGs in the clubs (estimating how much they earn), and getting information about where they are headed back in Romania can be used against them (linked to an organization back in Ro). More of a reason for Romies to bullshit any personal info (their familial whereabouts in Romania) to anyone, which I don't see any reason for them to give out real personal info to any clients (people generally do not give out real personal info with anybody that are not close acquaintances). Who knows what ways people can pull information from these girls (a trustworthy colleague, some con-artist that can get close). This all depends on what methods these organizations use to track the down the girls.
There are sources that state the way trafficking works. Girls get picked up, sent, and on the other end takes care of the girl in some way. In this situation, they use some sort of scare tactics, threats, and any methods possible to contain them from outside influences.
[/QUOTE]If a WG was actually 100% "independent", then I fully agree she should be secretive due to safety concerns. As soon as she is connected to being a WG in DE, criminals back home would be able to deduce that she's probably bringing 10 K EUR every time she returns to RO, and potentially has another 20 K EUR or more stashed in her house. She'd be too tempting of a target for professional thieves back home. But here is the thing, in practice these girls are not secretive at all. They flaunt their wealth on their FB pages. One WG I know is even fans of the FB page for her FKK club. Could the real reason she is not targeted by thieves back home be attributed to the fact she has already paid her protection money to the gang? Per the Wiki, "Protection racketeers establish what they hope will be indefinitely long bonds with their clients. This allows the racketeers to publicly declare a client to be under their protection. Thus, thieves and other predators will have little confusion as to who is and isn't protected. ".