FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[QUOTE=Bluat;1129583]You got GFE for 50 euros from everyone but 1 girl? Definitely different from when I was there. I'm visiting Palace in 2 weeks so I guess I'll find out if things are different for me this time around.[/QUOTE]Bluat,

If you are going next week then check out Svetlana from Russia. She is 32 yrs old, provides kissing, DATY etc for 50, she didn't even attempt to up sell me when we were in the room. Spoke decent English to understand your desire. She said she usually goes home during the Summer season so if you are heading to FRA in a few weeks you should catch her. She always starts late around 9 ish so stay around the front bar and you should see her venturing in around 8:30.

She is 5. 4' without heels. She has wavy long blonde hair. Nice firm ass for a 32 yrs old. Natural C cup. And she wears glasses which makes her looks her age but ask her to take it off when you guys are in the room she looks much younger than 32 without the specs.

Have fun.

W.

Bluat,

I only received full GFE for 50E from Bee, Alexa, Abby, Isabella, Andrea (in 2:1) , Lisa.

I received only light kissing from Kelly, Suzianna, Julianna, Alice (brief) , Marina (brief).

The only upsell attempted in the room was by Alexa during a repeat session. She wanted extra 50E for DFK. It sounded as if she had come under the evil spell of another girl. I was able to talk her out of it. She then committed with passion rather than reluctance.

Daniela demanded a 60 min. 100E session in order to kiss. I had pre-determined that the answer to such a requirement would be no. But she was too cute to pass up. In the room she backed off kissing, whipped out a condom for the BJ, claiming knowledge of disease in the club, and talked the entire hour except during BJ but including during fucking. It was bizarre. But she remained involved with me and instead of wanting to puke and run for the door I was somehow inclined to respond in conversation, etc. I liked her. I was shorted on service but did not care.

A few refused DATY (I only actually did it with ABBY). The rest I didn't ask, didn't care.

I accepted a reduced level of service from all but the GFE girls because they were nice to me and had pleasant attitudes and I enjoyed what they did do. Karina refused in advance to kiss and her attitude was not always pleasant ("If you kiss me I will kill you"). But I found her act to be hilarious and I was crazy for her.

My interviews were brief. The only service I inquired about was kissing, and I did not specify DFK often enough.

All sessions were 30 min. 50E, except for Daniela's 60 min. 100e, and the 2:1 30 min 100E.

[QUOTE=Wassab; 1129602]Bluat,

If you are going next week then check out Svetlana from Russia. She is 32 yrs old, provides kissing, DATY etc for 50, she didn't even attempt to up sell me when we were in the room. Spoke decent English to understand your desire. She said she usually goes home during the Summer season so if you are heading to FRA in a few weeks you should catch her. She always starts late around 9 ish so stay around the front bar and you should see her venturing in around 8:30.

She is 5. 4' without heels. She has wavy long blonde hair. Nice firm ass for a 32 yrs old. Natural C cup. And she wears glasses which makes her looks her age but ask her to take it off when you guys are in the room she looks much younger than 32 without the specs.

Have fun.

W. [/QUOTE]She's a little old for me but I guess I'll see what she looks like in person.

At Palace I'm mainly interested in the A-list girls, and the last time I was there I think maybe only 5-10 girls belong in that category. That was back during the second week of January so there are probably more girls now then there was then due to the holidays.

I'm not really looking to take a B-list girl because I'm going to go to Oase and World the next couple of days and pretty much every A-list girl in those clubs gave GFE for 50 euros. I'm only going to Palace because they have about 2-5 girls that are just hotter then any girl at any FKK club I've visited thus far. I'm looking to indulge myself with those handful of girls even though I know it's probably going to cost me 100E for GFE. Actually I'm pretty sure it's going to cost me 100E. Almost all of those girls have approached me once and they've quoted me 100E before so I don't plan on them quoting me anything differently this time around.

Sure I could try some of the other girls that maybe aren't as beautiful but hot enough to satisfy my carnal cravings, but why would I want to order a hamburger when there is prime rib around? I don't want to encourage this type of sharky behavior, and normally I wouldn't, but thus far I've not seen these stunners at any other clubs.

I can't remember the girls' names off the top of my head but Kiara and Cheyenne I know are two potential girls I want to be with and both are 100E girls. If anyone else can suggest any other girls equal to their beauty but only cost 50E then please let me know.

[QUOTE=Suller Joe;1129465]I just thought it might explain why some girls at Palace are said to try to get as much as they can from the customers. If revenue from one session is not enough to even pay the entrance and if two sessions merely pay for transportation, entry and makeup. Then they may need 4-5 sessions before they are past the point of being break-even for the day including food, hotel and what-have-you. If that is the case I have even less problem with some up-selling.[/QUOTE]The difference in entrance (plus other cost) between Palace and for example World and Oase is exactly 10 EUR. That does not explain of justify any up-selling or rip-off.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1129825]That does not explain of justify any up-selling or rip-off.

HB[/QUOTE]Or for management to back them up on said rip off when you go to complain to the front desk. It is what it is.

Sitting now at Flemings hotel right by the Palace. (can't stay any closer than that). Arrived today Friday about 2. Pm. Club was rather quiet. I had a meal and then headed to the kino. Was approached by a Hungarian girl but I was not interested. Had a beer and was approached by a silicone blonde from Poland called MARLENE? We went to the kino where she brought her blonde Polish friend (forgot name). Had a nice threesome with them. Lesbian show, blowjob with condom (which was dissapointing). But the sex was great and I came missionary while Marlenes friend's pussy was sitting on her. We had a good talk about some things. Overall very nice girls.

After that I felt hungry. Ate some pasta and chicken (ok food). Went for a rest in the relaxing area. Then I saw CHEYENNE. Had 2 sessions with her last year and loved it. She recognized me and we headed to the room. OH MY GOD she has a perfect body. Did kissing, multiple possitions, BBBJ and cim. Damage 150. Great session.

Then I went to a Sauna sessions with arthur. Melted there and cooled off in the jacuzzi. Then KIMMI the blond berlinette arrived. My other Palace favorite. Classic blonde, perfect body and really delivers. Feeling pretty drained I went in and she gave me a long blowjob. Fucked her a little bit but she did some sexy kissing too get me off (jerked off) in her mouth. Talked for some time. Another fine sessions. Such a hard life. Hhahahaha.

Now its 7 o clock. Going to have a rest now. Another visit tonight or tomorrow. Any thoughts on some girls for tomorrow?

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1129432]Why is everybody so curious about what the girls pay? They usually do pay the same entrance as the male guests, plus a fee if they sleep at the club plus 25 EUR if they do not have a tax number (that does only apply to some clubs).

HB[/QUOTE]Early starter girls pay less to get in than late starters I believe. I forgot the fine details.

Cost to stay the night is 25 Euro (shared room) , but some girls have a permanent spot and pay by the week.

Girls do go through a lot of makeup, creams, etc, which could be costly if they use expensive brands like Lancome.

The main issue really is that girls with few regular customers and not so hot looking, can be struggling to make much money, which may cause some attempted upsell.

Some girls are just too lazy to provide really good service without added incentive of extra bucks.

But I don't believe that accepting upsell, in any way gets a "GFE". It probably only gets a token attempt at it.

I often take girls for more than 30 mins but not unless I already know how they perform.

"Good" girls with plenty of regulars don't really need to upsell because they can be quite busy. Some even have problems juggling multiple regular customers wanting to attend the club at similar times.

Busy girls can make several hundred Euros in a day, maybe even past 1K if they do CIM and anal, and they don't generally pay high taxes, unlike us guys in regular jobs.

Crap looks like I'm going to Palace during a Messe. Anyone have any experience with the ISH Messe on a Friday. It's not a major messe is it? Hopefully it won't be too unbearably busy.

Sorry if this info is already here (if so, could possibly link?)

But if staying around the train station directions / info to get to Palace and Oase. Costs. And taxi prices / advice if using taxi rather than public transport.

I'd imagine public transport to go there during day. Say whats a good time 5-7pm? Then leave at say 12-1am?

Then return back via taxi for safety / ease?

Also, any advice on areas of train station RLD area to explore and ideal times to explore also appreciated.

(In return I will off course write up full trip report and how it went, travel info etc.)

PS- should I plan to not go during a Messe. ANy advice on specific days to go to PAlace / Oase. Midweek, Staurday night, SUnday, Daytime, NIghtime etc.

Cheers.

Thanks,

Super Cum 500

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1129991]Early starter girls pay less to get in than late starters I believe. I forgot the fine details.[/QUOTE]I never heard about that and I do not think it is correct.

HB

[QUOTE=Bluat;1130019]Crap looks like I'm going to Palace during a Messe. Anyone have any experience with the ISH Messe on a Friday. It's not a major messe is it? Hopefully it won't be too unbearably busy.[/QUOTE]Actually, I'd be more worried about the high hotel prices in FFM area than the crowds. Crowded conditions can be sometimes compensated by the improved quality and volume in the girl line-up and / or by starting your club activities a bit earlier than normal.

O

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1130187]I never heard about that and I do not think it is correct.

HB[/QUOTE]Turn up just before 10AM one day Bub, and witness the long queue of girls paying their money before 10AM so that they get the discounted price. If they show up at 11AM, for example, they pay more.
The reliable no bullshit girl explained it to me. There needs to be incentive to get girls starting early, otherwise very few girls would be there at starting time.

I have showed up at 10AM on Saturday, many times. ;)

Dear readers,

My first visit to Palace, just had to see what the fuzz was about. Normally I like to go to Artemis or to Barcelona or Prague but I had a business meeting in Frankfurt so I decided to make it to Palace and see for myself what everybody were talking about.

The cab ride from Hauptbahnhof was around 13 Euro, pretty descent compared to Oase (40 euro)

The first thing that threw me off was that they didn't accept credit cards for the entry fee. Since I paid the entrance for me and a friend it took away 150 Euro of fucking money. No way that I was going to use their crappy ATM in the lobby. Probably would have charged me extra.

Got a robe, dressing room was ok, showers pretty standard. Small shitty lockers, not good when you have a large winter jacket to put inside.

Made it to the bar area, were about 20-30 girls there and probably the same amount of dudes, didin't really notice the guys since I am not interested in that. Must say that there were a lot more arab looking guys and Italians at this place than I am used to, not that I am a racist or so but large packs of guys from southern parts of the world are not appreciated in my book. They just make a lot of noise and the girls that I talk to don't like them either.

They have a shitty system for when it comes to paying for drinks, for every item you order in the bar they put like a coin with a hole through it and attach that to your locker key bracelet. And they suck at informing you about the prices, my friend got a nasty surprise when he had to pay on his way out, way more than he expected for a couple of vodka red bulls.

Most girls were pretty aggressive, jumping you almost instantl and being pretty pissed when you let them down.

When I usually go to a new place I like to take my time and scout the place, down two-three drinks and then talk to somebody and get a nice connection with them, not just be approached with, Hey you want to fuck!

Turned down quite a few girls before I saw somebody I just had to put my penis inside to, I tall brown haired girl in a ponytail, I can never remember names so if you btalk to somebody gorgeous with half German and half Spanish it is probably her.

Went into a room with her and got my first ejaculation off, paid her 50 Euros. Standard blowjob without condom and doggy style for three minutes, she wanted to stay and kiss but I turned her down.

Went back, ordered more beer and scouted the room. An aggressive tight Egyptian girl threw me down on the couch and started to kiss me and jerk me off in front of everybody. She really got me hard as hell so I went with her to the room. She immediately started to upsell me, trying to charge me more and offer me CIM (don't care for that) more time, anal and so on. She kept nagging so much that I was about to leave but in some way I just wanted to make her suffer so I said. 100 Euro for 1 hour anal. She accepted the offer but she regret that as soon as she saw my full erection, when I started to pound her she begged me to stop, said that she can't handle all of me and not in a hardcore style, gave me back 50 Euro and told me that she was really sorry and that I should have said in advance that I wanted rough sex. I thought tat this was a joke, put my clothes back on and went out to the bar again.

Just passed my friend who had gone with his third platinum blond silicone bimbo to the room. Everybody has their own taste I guess. Ordered another beer and got trapped by two girls in the bar. One of them was a stunning Russian girl with long legs. She made me really hard so I took her in the hand and led her to one of the rooms.

Told her that before anything happens, I want to fuck rough, she said no problem but after she started sucking my dick the upselling began. I turned down all of her offers, turned her around and fucked her for like five minutes, then when we switched positions she tried to talk me into paying more again for bullshit services I didin't want, I got mad and put my clothes on. What the fuck is wrong about this place and the girls working here? At oase and Artemis you never get this type of treatment? And bare in mind that I am a great looking young guy so I am even more supprised that this happens to me.

Being put off by the experience I am trying to find my friend, caught up with him by the pool. He had by now fucked 4 girls and was really exhausted. He didin't care about the upselling, he has a really naggy old ***** at home so he is just happy to get some attention. Plus he hasn't that much to compare with. At least not on the German brothel scene.

A blond girl approached us in the middle of the conversation and he immediately fell for her, left alone I lied by the pool and thought about my next day in Frankfurt and that I had to switch venue the next day, the ride to Oase is really a shitty one and costs 40 Euro one way with a cab. But the girls at Palace were not my cup of tea. Upselling and pushy doesn't get me going.

Just as I was about to leave a stunning tall blond Russian girl (and I always try to avoid the Russian girls since I think they are lousy lovers in my opinion) stopped me and started kissing me by the bar, since I only had come once during my night at palace I went to the room with her and had a 5 minute fuck from the back standing and that was my grand finale of the night.

All in all I can say that if you don't care about GFE or polite manors, Palace is a good visit, better than the houses near Hauptbahnhof. But if you want more out of your German FKK experience, Artemis or Oase is the place for you.

Best regards.

O

[QUOTE=Ortos; 1130190]Actually, I'd be more worried about the high hotel prices in FFM area than the crowds. Crowded conditions can be sometimes compensated by the improved quality and volume in the girl line-up and / or by starting your club activities a bit earlier than normal.

O[/QUOTE]I agree with Ortos,

Messe works in your favour (except for Hotel prices) , by ensuring good line up of girls, but the key is not to turn up to the Palace late in the evening when starts to get overcrowded. Plan to start early and leave around midnight.

Many girls that show up after 9PM are in the "processor" category and like to make quick turnover of a large number of desperate guys. I would recommend guys to arrive well before that time, preferrably when dayshift girls are still there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1130225]Turn up just before 10AM one day Bub, and witness the long queue of girls paying their money before 10AM so that they get the discounted price. If they show up at 11AM, for example, they pay more.

The reliable no bullshit girl explained it to me. There needs to be incentive to get girls starting early, otherwise very few girls would be there at starting time.

I have showed up at 10AM on Saturday, many times. . [/QUOTE]Not sure how it works at Palace, but the incentive for the girls at Oase and World to start the early shift is that they can knock off before midnight, and don't have to stay till closing.

I'd tend to trust HB's knowledge on this type of info.

Cheers,

Dedalus