Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]It is called the "Sugar Daddy Blues". She saw the end coming and decided to jump ship like any ordinary rat would. You were warned about what would happen several months ago by more than one poster.

Don't take it personal, it is just the way it is. Money talks and BS walks in Thailand. She walked.[/QUOTE]

Geez. And, I'M the one always accused of generalizations and being negative...Talk about a limited, cynical view.


If you're referring to me in the above post...

While what you say is usually a reason for break-ups in relationships that originated in P4P, you've got it wrong, in this case.

I was never a sugar-daddy. Her family has money and are paying the whole lot (about $11,000 US, by my calculation) for her to go to the US to study. She has never asked me for much of anything in the 3 years we've lived together. She could have done a lot better than me, both in terms of looks and youth, as well as money. We're not talking about some Isaan farmgirl with limited options. We're talking about someone, quite attractive, from a good family, in a position to have a considerable amount of choice in terms of men of quality. She also doesn't actually want to break up with me. She asked me to wait 6 months until she returns from the program she's enrolled in. It's me that told her I wouldn't wait and I ended it.

But, I'm not interested in elaborating further, as a way to convince anyone.

Believe what you want.

Case closed. I don't want to talk about this anymore.

What happened to them?
They used to have some interesting mongering info.

Guys, can you please provide some pointers finding Russian hookers in BKK? Russian poontang is obviously not the primary purpose of my visits to BKK, but I have had decent experiences with them in the past and I find that it rounds my trip experience nicely.

On my last trip, I think I went to the Novotel Siam Square disco (does that sound right), but on this trip, ~1030pm it was dead. In addition there was a cover charge of 650 THB, which means not only do you have to pay your own cover, but the girls are going to ask more money to compensate for their costs. Thats 1,300 THB down at the get go - a bit too much in my opinion. Also went to Grace Hotel; the coffee shop downstairs was dead, but there was sprinkling of Russian action on the ground floor (this was the first time I explored the hotel lobby area - its a huge place, with girls hanging out all around), but mostly older women.

Would greatly appreciate any pointers. Also, does anyone have experience negotiating with them? Do you negotiate details of services with them up front? Whats a good price to pay for all-night? I think they generally don't do BBBJ.

Lastly, does anybody have experience with the same above questions for Phuket and Pattaya?

Thanks a lot in advance and apoloies if this has been already covered on the forum. I have spent a fair amount of time looking through and have only found cursory references to Russian action, so please point me in the right direction.

[QUOTE=Daddy San]What happened to them?
They used to have some interesting mongering info.[/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.bigmangobar.com/[/url]

I too would like some good intel on where one could find Russian/Eastern Block women...not the reason to come to LOS but a nice rounding out of the experience is an excellent way to put it.

On the Grace Hotel....I have heard various accountings of this place. I for one am a fan of this place as a mongering hangout. Aside from the fact that the so-called Coffee Shop downstairs serves way after hours, I know of no other place (correct me senior BKK punters if you know of any other place meeting this criteria because I will surely go there) that has a large lobby area where one can sit and relax in air conditioning and relative comfort and watch a large assortment of women walk by. The place is very very active. When you see one that catches your interest you can stop her and chat.

I have heard complaints that some of the girls that hang out there are on the heavier side but that is great for me because I prefer women who are a little thicker with some comfortable padding. Interest segway, I have noticed that there are more Thai ladies who are thicker now then I did even 5 years ago. Anyone else make this observation?

I did not notice the girls being any older then average....really if one sits there a while and relaxes and takes a break from that stifling heat there will be a girl who stolls by who will strike your fancy.

I have sometimes seen some Russian/Eastern Block women in the downstairs coffee shop but you have to go there very late to see them I believe. I have heard rumors about middle eastern women working in BKK but I have never seen them. I have even heard rumors about latina women working in BKK but have not seen them either. Any comments anyone?

[QUOTE=Daddy San]What happened to them?
They used to have some interesting mongering info.[/QUOTE]

Depending on where you log on (what country, that is) you may not get a link to Big Mango. Try this for the blog...[url]http://www.tfs2m.com/[/url]

The Farang Speaks Too Much the the tfs2m bit, easy to remember.

[QUOTE=Daddy San]What happened to them?
They used to have some interesting mongering info.[/QUOTE]
Changed name to wickedtraveler:
e.g.
[url]http://www.wickedtraveler.com/city-map-guide/?cityid=Bangkok[/url]
Based on TimTimGuy's post, I might be wrong, or maybe there was some sort of split.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo]On the Grace Hotel....I have heard various accountings of this place. I for one am a fan of this place as a mongering hangout. Aside from the fact that the so-called Coffee Shop downstairs serves way after hours, I know of no other place (correct me senior BKK punters if you know of any other place meeting this criteria because I will surely go there) that has a large lobby area where one can sit and relax in air conditioning and relative comfort and watch a large assortment of women walk by. The place is very very active. When you see one that catches your interest you can stop her and chat. [/QUOTE]
Ditto. As mentioned in my original post, I was pretty impressed with this place. It has a very different vibe to it because of the size, presence of Arabs and the dynamics of negotiations.

In terms of dynamics of negotiations, girls approaching you is fairly uncommon here. They'll briefly catch your eye to indicate that they're available, but then they'll continue to sit where they're sitting and expect you to approach them and start negotiations, during which, I found the girls to be in not as much of a salesy mode as in other places. My guess is, at least in part due to the large number of arabs here, the dynamics are skewed in the girls' favor (I think thats also the reason girls are more full-figured). Prices are typically higher. The east european and middle eastern girls travel here from their home countries, I suspect live in more expensive apartments than TGs, go to discos (like Novotel Siam Sq, where the cover is 650 THB and then to Grace coffee shop, where its 200 THB) and as a result, in my limited experiences at this place, won't go below 4,000 THB for long-term. Separately, I also heard from the girls that Arabs don't treat them well.

I also got the impression that they're used to haggling about price, but don't get into details of services. As I found out after taking a few of them over the years, BBBJ is almost always OFF the menu. Some will even refuse to do a CBJ. One such was a middle eastern woman here, with whom I have actually had one of the most GFE-type experiences of my moderately prolific mongering career.

Would somebody in the know be kind enough to commennt on how Grace lobby / coffee shop compares with Nana Disco in terms of girl quality, quantity, racial variety and timing of action, etc.?

Another observation: the whole area around Grace Hotel is swarming with significantly down-market street walkers, who I think most middle-class westerners won't consider bedding, even if they were getting a free lay in their home countries, let alone pay for it. Very different quality of experience.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo]I have heard complaints that some of the girls that hang out there are on the heavier side but that is great for me because I prefer women who are a little thicker with some comfortable padding. [/QUOTE]
You are my kinda guy. I am not into the thin anorexic types either. And actually on this trip, I found the LOS experience a lot less appealing now that I've been exposed to better venues for my tastes in South America and Europe.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo]I have sometimes seen some Russian/Eastern Block women in the downstairs coffee shop but you have to go there very late to see them I believe. I have heard rumors about middle eastern women working in BKK but I have never seen them. I have even heard rumors about latina women working in BKK but have not seen them either. Any comments anyone?[/QUOTE]
Some of the ones in Grace are middle eastern, although more so from countries like Kazakhstan / Uzbegistan (sp??), with parents from Iran, Turkey, etc. than directly from middle eastern countries. Latinas... that would be nice indeed. Anyone intel on them, and non-Thais in general, would be most welcome.

Didn't tell my two regular freebies I was going to be in BKK. Wanted to try something new. So got 2 chicks interested the previous day. G1 and G2. On way from airport I set times back to back. One I was to meet at 11:30pm and next one 12:30am. Depending on how G1 would go, I would adjust G2.

Met G1 - no good. Went to get a beer anyways. At 12:15 told G1 I had to go and was too tired. We hopped into a cab, and I jumped out near my hotel and gave the taxi 100 bhat and told him to take this girl home. I crossed the street and she calls me: "Are you sure you want me to go home". Yes baby, go home!! She definelty wanted to come home with me..

On to G2. I was suspiscious of G2 because of the place she asked me to meet. It is a bar (Spassos) in the Grand Hayatt where all the expensive (5000Bhat/night) WGs hang out. So I go there, it is 1am, text her and she is at the entrance of the bar, wearing this beautiful black dress. Fuck, she is cute. And I think. She is probably one of the WGs that work the bar. Didn't want to do that, so I chat with her for 5 mins, she tells me she was at some party with her friends and then came here. She pointed to her friends who looked like working girls too. So I bailed, told her I am tired and walked back to my hotel which is around the corner.

Woke up next day, working from room and G2 IMs me. Asks me why I took off blah blah blah. Tells me she wants to meet again. So I try to figure out if she is a working girl. She tells me she lives near the airport, has her own car, own condo and works for some export company. She also tells me about some pilot she met who tried to make a move on her (kiss her in public) and she was a bit offended.... hhhhmmm.... interesting. So I say ok, will meet her again tonight.

Have dinner with my friend and then ask her to meet me near a big shopping mall at 8:30pm. She pulls up in brand new Honda Civic, rolls down the window and asks me to hop in. Doesn't tell me where we are going. End up at a German brewery, have 2 lites of beer and start to get buzzed. 11pm then we head off to Silom. Live band there, more beer, tequila shots, dancing. 1am, time to head back. Tell her she cannot drive. Take her keys and I am zipping down the streets of Bangkok back to my hotel. Park the car in the hotel, go up, put on some hip hop, she flops on the bed with the "fuck me" look in her eyes. clothes fly off, bada bing bada boom.....

Wake up in the morning, another round. Take a shower and I iron my clothes for the airport, refuses to let me iron my pants, says she will do it for me. Hmmm......

Go to airport, starts to text me, asks me what I feel in my heart for her, tells me she usually does not go out with foreigners and "do not give my body to man". Yeah Right!!

Back home. She IMs me, tells me some sad story about her ex-boyfriend who bailed on her. Tells me next time I can stay with her for free and can let me use her car to go to meetings. Tells me again she does not fuck around and she has not done it in a long time.

All in all a happy ending

-JM

[QUOTE=JoseMarti]Go to airport, starts to text me, asks me what I feel in my heart for her, tells me she usually does not go out with foreigners and "do not give my body to man". Yeah Right!![/QUOTE]

Great Story.
Many girls here have boyfriends but most will fuck around, keep their options open.
I am always amazed at how girls don't blink an eyelid about having 1 official Boyfriend and 3 or 4 giks on the back burner. According to your status on her scale, you will get to fuck her or not. In other words, if you are a serious contender to replace the official boyfriend (should something happend), then she will gladly let you fuck her.

Heck, I can't count how many giks I fuck that were either married or had serious boyfriends. These girls react like most western guys: if they see something they crave, they don't let it pass. :D

[QUOTE=Jayf1970]Guys, can you please provide some pointers finding Russian hookers in BKK? [/QUOTE]Apart from Grace and Novotel that you mentioned, another place is the Rajah hotel on Sukhumwit Soi 4, and Mike's place on Soi 3 north of Grace (on the opposite side). The scene is not obvious, you need to ask a pimp / bellboy about the girls, and he'll take you to a room.

Both places are very tightly run, but there are some pretty Eastern European girls (clear step up from Grace). They seem to be actually Russian / Ukrainian (some with blue eyes etc.), not central-Asian as most in Grace.

At Rajah, I've had girls for 2500 ST (all inclusive, on the premises). The pimp might try to ask for more (for the room etc.) but they'd let you in do it for this much (paid in advance).

For this you get 1 pop, I think up to ~40 min with the girl (I never bumped against the time limit). Attitude is not terrible, though it depends on the girl and is of course much less sweet than Thais. Brief shower together before/after, no BBBJ, but usually competent CBJ (doesn't do much for me), and you can do her in various positions. Helps to take V and to try not to finish too quickly, as the session lasts only as long as you do.

The girls do work hard and get a lot of mileage, maybe 5-10 customers / night -- managers of the operation make very decent buck, while girls don't get much (500 per customer). This based on talking to a girl -- not sure how truthful, but no reason to doubt it -- she was very matter-of-fact and not whining about it.

There are 20+ girls at Rajah and 5 at Mike's -- usually a good percentage are busy so if you don't find something you like, you can come later.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Great Story.

Many girls here have boyfriends but most will fuck around, keep their options open.

I am always amazed at how girls don't blink an eyelid about having 1 official Boyfriend and 3 or 4 giks on the back burner. According to your status on her scale, you will get to fuck her or not. In other words, if you are a serious contender to replace the official boyfriend (should something happend), then she will gladly let you fuck her.

Heck, I can't count how many giks I fuck that were either married or had serious boyfriends. These girls react like most western guys: if they see something they crave, they don't let it pass. :D[/QUOTE]This is what I was meaning. There the money come from. She may be a mia noi and realy working in a companie but she is not on her own she has a sponsor. Normal hight so thai do not meet with farang.

So on the hand anyhow even you can fuck for free later will cost your more some how she will get your money.

[QUOTE=Horologist]May Rick rest in peace.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to hear this. Whether they know of him or not, anybody who appreciates the go-gos of Thailand owes Rick a debt of gratitude. It was kind of a radical idea when he introduced it, but it did catch on . . . to say the least.

RIP, Rick.

I have a buddy and his farang GF coming over in mid-May and they want to do a little naughty site seeing. I'm gonna take them to Suzie Wong's lezzie show and various go-go's and they mentioned wanting to see the pussy dart and ping pong shows that Patpong is famous for. It's not my thing and as long as I've been a part time expat/regular visitor (7 years), I've never seen these shows, so I was wondering which places have them. I know they're in Patpong, but that's as far as I know.

[QUOTE=IrishLager]I have a buddy and his farang GF coming over in mid-May and they want to do a little naughty site seeing. I'm gonna take them to Suzie Wong's lezzie show and various go-go's and they mentioned wanting to see the pussy dart and ping pong shows that Patpong is famous for. It's not my thing and as long as I've been a part time expat/regular visitor (7 years), I've never seen these shows, so I was wondering which places have them. I know they're in Patpong, but that's as far as I know.[/QUOTE]

If I recall properly, no need to go to Patpong anymore. Soi Cowboy (Long gun to be exact) had a Ping Pong & Darts show last year. I am not sure if they continue to do it but since the day I saw these shows there, I never set foon in Long gun again.