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She went topless and followed direction well. Fantastic titties. Like pregnant girl tits. 1300 baht at the counter plus tip for Mali. Would repeat.
Fargler.[/QUOTE]I know you didn't go full service but did they quote you a price? Website doesn't list that option.
A few nights ago I decided to check out Patpong as a possible alternative destination for Real Sex with a cute young lady away from my general Nana area neighborhood now that I have had a regular girlfriend, not a direct P4 P girl, living with me for almost two years.
First stop was one of the Kings Castle gogo bars on Patpong 2. I don't remember which one. My soda was 140 baht, Lady Drinks were, as I recall, 230 baht, which seemed to be the standard pricing everywhere I checked.
One tattooed, somewhat skanky-looking but certainly doable imo, young, slim, braces-wearing bleached blonde spinner kept giving me the eye and a smile from the stage when few others were even trying. So after a few minutes I called her down for a couple of LDs and a chat.
The chemistry was very sweet, or seemed so, she cuddled and stroked me constantly. Not my crotch, but my chest, stomach, shoulders, hands, arms. Very loving "feeling". The Kid down there was responding accordingly. I got a hard-on visible through my jeans that made her blush and give me a big wet kiss on the face and lips.
Time to hit the basics: How much is the barfine? 1000 to the bar, 4,000 to her for 1 hour.
I countered with 3,000 to her if we will BBFSCIP?
OH NO! CANNOT! Not for 3,000,4,000 or any amount of money. Can not do without wearing a condom for any amount of money, assurance of vasectomy, recent blood test result or anything else. No.
So much for expecting her somewhat skanky, overly tattooed, bleach blonde look to tell me anything positive about having Real Sex with her.
Ok. Nice meeting you, Mawa or whatever her name sounded like in a loud bar. Bye. She took me by the hand and walked me to the door, big sweet hug, no change of heart or mind despite her expression of pain, loss and regret as she saw me walking away with a wad of thousand baht notes still safe in my pocket and that hard-on still visible through my jeans. Buh-Bye.
Passing through that shortcut between Patpong 2 and Patpong 1, a couple of doable girls blocked my path to show me a menu of drinks and plead with me to please sit and have 1 drink. Pulling away from their grip I was met by a third lady, an older one at 40 or so, who continued the pitch but with the added bit of stroking my dick through my jeans in such a nice way I decided maybe 1 drink here would be fun after all.
So far, Patpong was proving to be much more of a "loving, stroking, chemistry-building" experience than Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy. Would that have anything to do with me eventually having Real Sex, in my book meaning DFK, BBBJ then BBFSCIP or at minimum a memorable BBBJCIM, with these Patpong girls? Well, let's find out.
This particular older lady at this beer bar looked like she had a pretty good body under her jeans, had a marginally acceptable face if the lighting was very low, but her touch in keeping the Kid up and as rigid as twisted blue steel under my pants was impressive. The mild DFK in public was nice. And she kept gazing lovingly at the Kid in my pants, licking her lips and telling me how much she wants that! Fun.
Therefore, after a soda for me and a LD for her I hit her with the basics:
BBBJCIM? No clear affirmative response.
BBFSCIP? No clear affirmative response.
Ok. Nice to meet you whatever your name is, check-bin, please.
Much surprise and disappointment from her. Don't I want to pay bar and take her? She WANTS me and the Kid so much!
Honey, I have asked you a couple of times and so far you have not said Yes to anything I want.
"Oh. Ok. But please come back again"!
Really, Patpong is proving to be much more loving and sexy in the way the girls say No to having Real Sex with me compared to the way some do it in Nana Plaza and on Soi Cowboy.
So I am on my way back to my motor scooter parked at Foodland on Patpong 1 and I see a gogo bar with a new name; Virgin. New to me anyway.
Sunny, the papasan, rushes out the door to meet and introduce himself to me. Points to all the girls on the stage, many look good, and assures me he will help me find what I want. Really? Hey, I am open to establishing such a relationship with a gogo bar papasan or mamasan since doing so has worked out very well for me in my experience.
So I follow him back into the bar. We sit and chat about what I want and does he have a girl who will accommodate. I tell him exactly what I want. See above for my definition of Real Sex. He nods and smiles, "Of course, of course, I understand. Can do that with ladies here! Which one you like"?
One very sexy young slim but curvy girl, a real female for sure, suddenly arrives on the stage. Sunny points to her and asks if I like her. I do. He points and calls her down. Even though she had been staring at me / us from the stage while she moved erotically on stage, his pointing to her to come join me seemed to take her by pleasant surprise.
In the booth all went as typically loving, stroking, affectionate and chemistry-building as I had by now grown to appreciate as the Patpong style. And the Kid was into as well.
Again, after a couple of LDs for my girl and Sunny the papasan who now knows that if all goes well with this lady according to what I want and for what he clearly understands that I want then I will return many, many, many times and bring like-minded friends with me as well, I still need to make sure May-nay or whatever her name sounded like in a loud bar is on the exact same page as I am about it.
May-nay was fine to do what I wanted; DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP. Sunny repeated it to her in Thai just to make it absolutely certain all around and it was a done deal.
The usual 1,000 to the bar and 4,000 to her was cited. I countered with 3,000 to her but settled on 3,500 for her since establishing this great relationship with Sunny and this bar with a higher percentage of hotties than most I had checked this night was going so swimmingly well as it had for me on previous occasions in Nana Plaza and on Soi Cowboy.
But before May-nay or whatever went to change into her street clothes, Sunny recommended I buy her one more LD and "for sure she will be very good for you in the room". Sure. Why not.
She came back looking great in her street clothes, took me by the hand to lead me directly around the corner in the bar area to a stairway that took us to a Short Time hotel, taking me as though she did not want to give me a chance to look this way or that way at this girl or that girl. I was HER customer now and forever, dammit! So encouraging. And fun.
Upstairs at the ST hotel register, Sunny the papasan suddenly and strangely appeared again, apparently just to make sure everything was fully understood in Thai by May-nay. Damn, that is fine customer care and attention, I must say.
The ST room cost was a higher than usual 800 baht. But pre Covid I had paid 600 baht for 3 hours at another nicely appointed ST room on the ground level. So if this room was decent, and it was, I could understand the current rate. I did not think to ask for how long since I assumed it would be for at least 1 hour and I never need more than about 45 minutes to pop my one good pop even with a shower before and after.
Finally. In the room with my fully and completely vetted Patpong gogo girl. The whole point of this Patpong expedition:
May-nay or whatever became quite silent and non responsive to any warming up to the act.
After her and then my shower, instead of cuddling or kissing in bed, she became suspiciously, I would say, "pretend" concerned about every little flaw on my body; staring and pointing to a light tan freckle on my shoulder, she frowned and wanted to know "What is that"?
The same with another couple of sun damage freckles on my forearm and hand; a very troubled and concerned, "What is this? What is that"?
A wrinkle on my stomach. Same reaction.
Even a small bandaid to cover a poke I had gotten on my leg shin riding my bike a day before; "What is that"? Very troubled she was about these things.
She typed out something for a long while on her phone. Google Translate: "I am afraid of the world. ".
Uh. Honey, if you are afraid of the world you are definitely in the wrong job, in the wrong city, in the wrong room with the wrong man.
Back to her Google Translate for another long while.
Naturally, the Kid was not taking a liking to this at all and was sinking fast in his attention and readiness to do anything, perhaps for the rest of the night and most of tomorrow.
I say, May-nay, are you just playing games to avoid having sex with me now?
And put it on my Google Translate. She read it then sullenly put her phone down and asked if we were going to use a condom. I said that was not the agreement.
So she proceeded to give me the most mechanical blowjob, utterly lacking in any trace of eroticism, ignore my 1st, 2nd and 3rd request for her to go slow and gentle not fast and furious. Instead of repeating it a fourth time, I stop everything and tell her this is not good or working for me, it is nothing like our agreement, I am done here and will go down to tell Sunny if you want to come along too.
An aside here: at this point we could not have been in this ST room more than 20 minutes. But somebody was already flashing the lights off and on, apparently signaling us to hurry it up, time to leave. Wtf? Are these 30 minute ST rooms, which I have never heard of, for 800 baht?
Ready to exit the room, I put 700 baht on the bed next to her purse. Also dressed, she blocked the door to prevent me from exiting, demanding that I give her "2,000"!
I say No. She says No. Now I am opening the door anyway while she is grabbing my wrist and not letting go. I still walk down the hall with her hanging onto my wrist, dragging along, yelling "No"!
I tell the ladies running the desk to call the police or Sunny to tell them this lady is getting violent, which by then she was, tightening her grip on my arm, shouting "NO"! Louder and louder.
Then I manage to break her grip without causing her any pain, which was my concern, walk away, head downstairs to the bar, make a beeline for Sunny and tell him about the bullshit she pulled in the room, that I will probably never return, have a lovely night and bye.
He didn't seem particularly shocked or surprised but did say "Sorry, sometimes crazy lady. " Yes, I know.
And with that I walked to my motor scooter, hopped on and rode back to my apartment with the all too often lately fresh new appreciation for my sweet and lovely mid 20's post-graduate but still sometimes on again university girlfriend who is apparently beyond extatic about every little freckle and flaw on my body and takes great and glorious pleasure in draining me of all possible sex fluids whenever and however I want her to.
Ah, perhaps that is the most "loving, sexy and chemistry-building" result of the Patpong gogo and beer bar approach to customer relations. LOL.
As always, YMMV.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2977900]I could not access Fiwfans, then when it opened it could not find any girl.
YouTube shows police action in involving Fiwfans. I could not understand Thai, but it looks busted. Can any bro explain?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/live/cQ8aPfU0yYM?si=qac-9xioRjgf4VdM[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, the app still works.
[QUOTE=HornyCock;2978502]Yes, the app still works.[/QUOTE]You my man have just proved that you're not located inside Thailand. The website, as there is no app, is not down, but it is blocked in Thailand just like all the other sideline websites, except for the one that I posted below, so for any user that would like to access this website while they're in Thailand they need to use a VPN but the court will will shut it all down soon unless it is hosted by a foreign company.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2978061][URL]https://www.fanfinfin.co[/URL]
Ive been holding on to this little secret for a while and now I am passing it on to my ISG brothers.
And then from Twitter: https://x.com/x9hm9r9wydjalgm?s=21&t=244Hhq1hO438RxYz3PzrPA
Search Thai sideline #sideline
Then hit up the admins you have used in the past on Fiw Fans on their lines. 90% were admins and not the lady you were chatting to. They will send you their rosters and most have started telegram groups.
Thank me later
Have fun boys.[/QUOTE]All rhe postings I see on fanfinfin are old and it appears they do not include agents.
In addition many of the agents have done away with their telegram groups over the past 48 hours in response.
In the FiwFans forum you will find a video of a press conference held by the Thai police. It seems FiwFans has been under investigation for the past 2 years. Initially the reason was for underage and trafficking. And they actually found this to be true. They also have the entire money trail mapped out, and the proceeds are absolutely staggering. Principles over the last few years all made close to or over 1 million US dollars and I would imagine that no taxes were paid on this. The police also mentioned going after some of the agents, I believe mainly for the ones that were trafficking and having underage.
The hotels used were also mentioned.
One of the other side line sites is down as well and I said above many of the telegram groups for specific agents have had all their messages erased or the groups are totally gone.
The police reported that there were over 40,000 workers that participated on the site of the last 4 years. Judging from the fact that some of the telegram groups had 10,000 Plus members I would imagine that the number of customers over the four years would probably at least be 250,000 or more.
This is definitely a game changer at least for the time being. Since the site is mainly utilized by local men, who would have gone to soapies two decades ago, but switched to sideline because of its discrete nature, I am sure this will be quite the disruptor.
But, as with this profession I would imagine that something will come along to replace it.
I stayed 3 nights at the Wuroburi Resort at the South end of Soi 4 near the big park, 3 star only $35 night, breakfast buffet is crap.
Checked Nana Plaza bars, gogo girls look bad and sad under the harsh incandescent lights. Girls actualy look prettier and more appealing eating their rice bowls under soft dim light in the hall way.
Soi 4 had about 30 street girls of all sizes and colors, some very hot. Half a dozen Viet girls work early morning, loud and profane like sailors.
I got close and talked to couple girls. A tiny 4 ft young heavily made up girl wanted 3000 bahts ST. Others wanted 2,000 bahts. I found a beautiful blonde Kazach spinner, light skin, looked Euro, offered her 1,000 and agreed on 1500. She was a real blonde 24 pretty like a movie star, nice, gentle personality, walked half a mile hand in hand with to the hotel like a GF. Looked like an old chunky mamasan was supervising that group of girl.
She was a horny GF in bed, full DFK, BB deep throat, BBFS, energetic, we were fucking each other while I sucked on her pretty lips. She was in passion, moaning, hissing, calling out God and Allah hehe.
She washed me before after, a very beautiful girl, nice, clean, pleasant, sexy. She said on 2 month tourist visa, go home 1 month then back to work. Much better and easier than bar girls and FIWFANS.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2978525]Soi 4 had about 30 street girls of all sizes and colors, some very hot. Half a dozen Viet girls work early morning, loud and profane like sailors.
I found a beautiful blonde Kazach spinner, light skin, looked Euro, offered her 1,000 and agreed on 1500. She was a real blonde 24 pretty like a movie star, nice, gentle personality, walked half a mile hand in hand with to the hotel like a GF. Looked like an old chunky mamasan was supervising that group of girl..[/QUOTE]First, I cannot tell difference between Thai and Vietnamese in terms of looks and since I don't speak language I wouldn't know what nationality they were.
Two years ago there was absolutely 0 Russian or white women hooking on the street in Soi 4. Nothing but Thai and occasional African. They were all huddled directly outside nana sitting on motorbikes etc. I walked occasionally down soi 4 but not too far past main beer bars. So where on soi 4 did you find this mix?
First, thanks to all for the great advice. Arrived BKK last night / this morning at 2 am. I was near brain-dead with fatigue after 25 hours of flights, but fuck that, I'm in Bangkok! I l walked around the neighborhood, found a pretty cute freelancer among many lady boys and -say-no girls even at that time of night. Back to my hotel for 2000 short time, not really GFE but still had a good time. Slept like a dead thing until 330 this afternoon!
One thing I'm not clear on is how to tell if a beer bar bar fines the girls or are they freelancers? I'm probably missing something obvious like, "just ask the bartender, fucknuts" but I figured somebody might have a quick answer here.
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So I follow him back into the bar. We sit and chat about what I want and does he have a girl who will accommodate. I tell him exactly what I want. See above for my definition of Real Sex. He nods and smiles, "Of course, of course, I understand. Can do that with ladies here! Which one you like"?
[/QUOTE]I guess this should have been your first clue that everything that follows would be just the next step in the scam. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. I didn't count up, but it sounds like the lesson was expensive. I've only been to Patong a couple of times, but each time I was either scammed or felt a scam coming.
Reminds me of November when I had a terrible massage, but while sitting outside putting my shoes on the mamasan introduced me to a new girl. She recommended LT at my hotel where the new girl would do Real Sex, per EihTooms definition. Price only 2000 for girl plus 300 to shop. I declined and price went down to 200 to shop plus 1000 girl. All along the new girl had been cuddling and caressing me. I was horny, the girl was young, perhaps 22, but not hot. I declined and found another partner elsewhere.
The next day I came back for a 300 baht oil massage with new girl, which was crap. The new girl wanted a lot of money for extras and she clearly didn't have the attitude to make me happy, so I declined again. I can only imagine how bad her all night services would have been for 1000 baht.
Sorry you had to learn that way, it happens to most punters from time to time. Thanks for the report.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2978481]Ah, perhaps that is the most "loving, sexy and chemistry-building" result of the Patpong gogo and beer bar approach to customer relations. LOL.
As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]In Patpong I got BBFS from a young girl in Pink Panther, she wanted +1000 for it. But generally I don't ask for BBFS the first time, and I don't do CIP (have not yet had my vasectomy). It just scares away too many of the girls, particularly the more beautiful / younger ones. I'll wait until meeting the 2nd or 3rd time then bring it up (I live here so have time to play the long game). At that point the girls already feel comfortable with me.
One time at Thermae I asked a girl "blowjob no condom, ok?" And she said +1000. I was like ummm what? +1000 for BBBJ? And she replied "oh, I thought you meant sex no condom". I said no that's not what I meant, but I'll take it!
[QUOTE=ZenosArrow11;2978563]One thing I'm not clear on is how to tell if a beer bar bar fines the girls or are they freelancers? I'm probably missing something obvious like, "just ask the bartender, fucknuts" but I figured somebody might have a quick answer here.[/QUOTE]I just ask the girl before I ever buy her a drink. Don't forget that some are there just for drinks.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2978510]You my man have just proved that you're not located inside Thailand. The website, as there is no app, is not down, but it is blocked in Thailand just like all the other sideline websites, except for the one that I posted below, so for any user that would like to access this website while they're in Thailand they need to use a VPN but the court will will shut it all down soon unless it is hosted by a foreign company.[/QUOTE]EverythingThai I am a long-time reader but first-time poster here. I would message you but haven't quite worked out how to buy bitcoin. I saw your posts about T-ded. I have been living in Bangkok for the past 6-7 years, and going to T-ded once or twice / month for the past 2 of those. Young chubby farang guy with blonde hair, I stick out like a sore thumb in t-ded. I am usually there solo or with Thai guy friends. My gut feeling is we've probably seen each other, but in any case, if you (or anyone else here) see me please stop by and say Hi, even if I have my hand up my some girl's skirt (I am always in the lounge area rather than the KTV rooms). I speak Thai and am always looking for more expat or Thai friends to go to these types of places with.
As for a contribution from me, you (and anyone else here) should also check out Zeed Club Sutthisan, which is a few doors down from t-ded. I know their reviews suck on gmaps but it's actually a nice place, the service there is far better than t-ded from both the staff & girls but the main issue is the girls aren't as numerous or as pretty imo. Lots of girls from Laos. ST there was likewise 2500 all-in but they don't have their own hotel like T-ded does. RCA2 just opened up between Zeed & T-ded, another Thai go-go that shut down long ago but is now back. I will be checking it out soon but my feeling is it's the same deal as Zeed Club. I don't know whether any of these girls or even the mama-sans / papa-sans speak English but my guess would be no. Rainbow Club up the street also has girls that will ST but you need to make it clear to the mama-san that's what you want beforehand, because most there will not go ST (and realistically you should speak some Thai). Rainbow Club is more focused on drinking / eating with friends rather than p4 p.
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So I am on my way back to my motor scooter parked at Foodland on Patpong 1 and I see a gogo bar with a new name; Virgin. New to me anyway.
Sunny, the papasan, rushes out the door to meet and introduce himself to me. Points to all the girls on the stage, many look good, and assures me he will help me find what I want. Really? Hey, I am open to establishing such a relationship with a gogo bar papasan or mamasan since doing so has worked out very well for me in my experience.
So I follow him back into the bar. We sit and chat about what I want and does he have a girl who will accommodate. I tell him exactly what I want. See above for my definition of Real Sex. He nods and smiles, "Of course, of course, I understand. Can do that with ladies here! Which one you like"?
One very sexy young slim but curvy girl, a real female for sure, suddenly arrives on the stage. Sunny points to her and asks if I like her. I do. He points and calls her down. Even though she had been staring at me / us from the stage while she moved erotically on stage, his pointing to her to come join me seemed to take her by pleasant surprise.
In the booth all went as typically loving, stroking, affectionate and chemistry-building as I had by now grown to appreciate as the Patpong style. And the Kid was into as well.
Again, after a couple of LDs for my girl and Sunny the papasan who now knows that if all goes well with this lady according to what I want and for what he clearly understands that I want then I will return many, many, many times and bring like-minded friends with me as well, I still need to make sure May-nay or whatever her name sounded like in a loud bar is on the exact same page as I am about it.
And put it on my Google Translate. She read it then sullenly put her phone down and asked if we were going to use a condom. I said that was not the agreement.
I say No. She says No. Now I am opening the door anyway while she is grabbing my wrist and not letting go. I still walk down the hall with her hanging onto my wrist, dragging along, yelling "No"!
I tell the ladies running the desk to call the police or Sunny to tell them this lady is getting violent, which by then she was, tightening her grip on my arm, shouting "NO"! Louder and louder.
Then I manage to break her grip without causing her any pain, which was my concern, walk away, head downstairs to the bar, make a beeline for Sunny and tell him about the bullshit she pulled in the room, that I will probably never return, have a lovely night and bye.
He didn't seem particularly shocked or surprised but did say "Sorry, sometimes crazy lady. " Yes, I know.
[/QUOTE]Ugh, what a nightmare. Sounds like Sunny was scamming from the start, so good you managed to maintain self-control enough to get out of it without anything worse happening.
I remember a long time ago (15-20 years?) Patong had a bad reputation for scams (similar to the arab's bar on Soi Cowboy), but last few years seen several good reports from there. Obviously this "Virgin" go-go is a place to stay away from.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2978601]I guess this should have been your first clue that everything that follows would be just the next step in the scam. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. I didn't count up, but it sounds like the lesson was expensive. I've only been to Patong a couple of times, but each time I was either scammed or felt a scam coming.
Reminds me of November when I had a terrible massage, but while sitting outside putting my shoes on the mamasan introduced me to a new girl. She recommended LT at my hotel where the new girl would do Real Sex, per EihTooms definition. Price only 2000 for girl plus 300 to shop. I declined and price went down to 200 to shop plus 1000 girl. All along the new girl had been cuddling and caressing me. I was horny, the girl was young, perhaps 22, but not hot. I declined and found another partner elsewhere.
The next day I came back for a 300 baht oil massage with new girl, which was crap. The new girl wanted a lot of money for extras and she clearly didn't have the attitude to make me happy, so I declined again. I can only imagine how bad her all night services would have been for 1000 baht.
Sorry you had to learn that way, it happens to most punters from time to time. Thanks for the report.[/QUOTE]Well, I can attest to the fact that at least in my experience an "Of course, of course, I understand. Can do that with ladies here! Which one you like" response from a mamasan or papasan with whom the LD / tip for valuable intel exchange relationship has been established does not necessarily lead to a scam but rather to a pretty darn good result.
I just wouldn't take it to mean "all" of the girls in a bar will do BBFSCIP with me. That would absolutely be too good to be true coming from anyone managing girls in a bar just as it is reading anything of the kind from punters here regarding the girls in Pattaya or wherever. But this papasan didn't make that particular outlandish claim. And that is why I had the full conversation about it myself with the one candidate I interviewed. And when all the boxes are checked with the girl at that point too, one can not just assume it will all be a scam from that point forward.
At that point I am willing to go forward and give them room to show me and it is rare for that much pre-barfine negotiation agreement to go as sour as this one did. Not sure how much of a lesson to take from it. I mean, I certainly wouldn't now automatically assume every gogo girl who says Yes upfront with a smile to the 3 items on my check box list is probably going to scam me and it's time to move on is the proper lesson to learn from this experience, not to mention with full backing from the mamasan / papasan.
Yes, the entire Patpong bullshit and no Real Sex expedition that night cost me about 6,000 baht I think, with roughly 4,500 of it going to Virgin for drinks, barfine and the 700 baht I gave her for being naked and giving me 1 minute of lousy BBBJ foreplay. But it did buy drinks, chat, mild groping and lap dance type junk in several gogo and beer bars, a couple of stops I made and only bought myself a drink that I didn't bother to mention in that FR. And at least I salvaged 2,800 baht by not paying the scammer the full 3,500 agreed to "if" she had not been scamming me.
That is not so terrible in order to find out what is and isn't worth it in a Bangkok red light district. Particularly when getting Real Sex on any one night or place is not too critically important anyway but getting valuable intel about it is. I never would have learned anything about the place in terms of Real results unless I took the best offer and situation of the night to the limit to really find out.
[QUOTE=Werqweq;2978671]Ugh, what a nightmare. Sounds like Sunny was scamming from the start, so good you managed to maintain self-control enough to get out of it without anything worse happening.
I remember a long time ago (15-20 years?) Patong had a bad reputation for scams (similar to the arab's bar on Soi Cowboy), but last few years seen several good reports from there. Obviously this "Virgin" go-go is a place to stay away from.[/QUOTE]My first visits to Patpong decades ago was when many of us experienced the dangerous upstairs ping-pong ball show scams. Thugs handing us drink bills 10 times the actual amount and not budging from blocking the doorways until we paid up. But I still managed to get past them without paying more than what was fair and spelled out on the menu.
I had some very good and easy upfront negotiated agreements for BBFSCIP with a few sexy Patpong gogo bargirls in the more recent past. Just pre-Covid. But my 2-3 attempts the other night did not show much promise for more post-Covid Patpong experiences.