Bangkok Reports

Through negotiating, you give them a sense of uniqueness / individual value.

My responses are limited to "Let's go" or "Please forgive my poverty". If the going rate in my head is 2000, I'll bite a 2500 offer. I will refuse a 4000 offer flatly and not entertain further negotiations, even if she eventually offers 2000 by herself.

It is a commodity market and long winding negotiations are unbecoming. You can negotiate while buying a Picasso, not a bag of rice.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2981471]Great analysis. This scenario gets even worse when the Kia and Suzuki vendors see what the Toyota sellers are getting. And then you have rental companies like Hertz and Avis and assorted sellers of "total loss"/ salvaged wheels in the picture.

Sam.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2981382]Or perhaps because they neither want to shop from a catalogue nor select their girl from the street nor from Thermae. Maybe they see a girl that they just want, they like talking and touching, and they don't want to waste time looking for cheaper girl. Maybe they swallowed their boner pill long ago and it will soon fade so they take whatever is available right then, regardless of price. Maybe they dont care about the money because, to him, the difference between 1,000 baht and 10,000 baht is chump change.

I appreciate having a good number of punters pay high prices. The word of big money gets spread to the villages and the farmer girls will want some of that money and they will be more likely to get into the P4P industry. That means more choices for us.

Don't expect others to keep the prices low to be nice to poorer mongers, the wealthy people don't give a hoot about our pocketbooks. If we want to play with the big boys, we got to pay with the big boys. Even my stupid broke ass understands that. There is no point in complaining about how somebody else spends his money.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with HT. Its basic free market economics at its finest. In a free market such as this, there is no right or wrong price. The actual price that the deal gets done at is the "right" price in a free market, all factors considered. And all factors do need to be considered for each particular buyer and seller even if they don't apply to me or you or a particular girl, such as convenience in not getting into a prolonged annoying negotiation as mentioned by HT. These factors change the actual price. The problem that so many people don't realize is that the "asking" price is not necessarily the actual market price. If someone really wants to save money then they can spend the time making the rounds and intensely negotiate with many different sellers to get the best price which would then be the market price, for them, considering the factors that are important to that particular buyer and seller. That's how free markets work and we can't argue with that or lament that one particular buyer or group of buyers messes it up for everyone or that we can somehow change that.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981441]Yes. Speaking will ensure you of a much better experience. One if the guys had been there 3 times and still had not pured the trigger yet. Go with a Thai guy or a foreigner that speaks Thai. Otherwise you will be lucky to have a good time.[/QUOTE]

Sorry to disagree with you ET, but as someone that doesn't speak much Thai, I still get by after 6 visits (been going every day LOL) and I'm having a great time. I would warn that the non-Thai speaking tourist needs to really adjust their expectations though in that they're going to get overcharged and still must smile and say thank you. For a westerner though, these overcharges won't be much. My strategy of using my google translate to ask for a girl that speaks English on the first visit really helped as the girl then greased the wheels and made the experience much smoother, and some of the staff speak a few words of English as well. Also, be prepared to dish out lots of smiles and thank yous as some of the staff will get grumpy and impatient with the non-Thai tourist. Cheers, A.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2981391]Got a laugh of the analogy of Thermae with one major problem. The Japanese go around the track clockwise. Horse racing is run counter clockwise.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. I had no idea as I've never been to a horse race LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2981450]As as a wife of a friend of mine said one time, "When farangs first come to Thailand their eyes don't work. " And this is become increasingly the case. You see girls who are 10 to 20 kilos overweight, dark, and have a head like a Rottweiler walking down the street with punters who are in fairly good shape and not using a walker. [/QUOTE]Problem is that people assume that others should like what they like and not like what they do not like. I do not like dudes, but tons of guys are here with a ladyboy on each arm. Can I say that their eyes do not work because their preference is not the same as mine? I see guys walking down the street and it appears their only requirement was for the girl to be rail thin. Not my preference, but if it floats his boat, then so be it. Who asserts that the next customer coming into the restaurant is out of their mind if they do not want to eat what the first person eating?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2981391]Got a laugh of the analogy of Thermae with one major problem. The Japanese go around the track clockwise. Horse racing is run counter clockwise.[/QUOTE]Unless you're at Randwick in NSW, Australia, where the horses run clockwise.

[QUOTE=ShyBoy143;2981495]My responses are limited to "Let's go" or "Please forgive my poverty". [/QUOTE]You have me dying over here. I say I understand that you have rich customers, but I am not rich. You are welcomed to call on me when the moment arises that you need a paltry 1000 baht. You would be surprised at the amount that eventually realize 1000 baht is not chump change.

Yesterday we were at breakfast and a buddy of mine talked about post-offering a chick 2000 baht that did not even ask for money. I said why do you give them so much. He eventually snuck the money into the girl's purse, but she saw it before leaving and took it out and left it in his apartment. Everybody is not a hooker either.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2981450]Here's my issue with that statement. No one begrudges a dude for going out and spending big money on a Ferrari. But it Rich folks were to go out and start spending Ferrari money on toyotas, then it would completely screw the market for the poor in the middle class. The big issue is the majority of punters, especially new punters can't tell a Ferrari from a Toyota when it comes to p4 p. I still think the best indication of what prices should be or what the local lads are paying. You can compare what they paid on Fiwfans, Toyotas, to what they paid at clubs like The Pimp, Ferraris. There is a clear distinction between how the girls look and behave. As as a wife of a friend of mine said one time, "When farangs first come to Thailand their eyes don't work. " And this is become increasingly the case. You see girls who are 10 to 20 kilos overweight, dark, and have a head like a Rottweiler walking down the street with punters who are in fairly good shape and not using a walker. In addition the talent in most bars directed towards foreigners is not much better, yet what is being paid vastly exceeds the local Toyota market. And of course a lot of this has to do with the two-week millionaire phenomenon. I have no idea why 25 years ago this was not so much the case. Even occasional visitors wanted to ensure that prices stayed reasonable. When I see five and six K for incredibly mediocre girls and oilies it is incredibly cringe-worthy. Fiwfans will definitely be missed, but certainly something else will come along.[/QUOTE]Yes but the Toyotas are being sold at Ferrari dealerships with Ferrari logos on them at Ferrari prices. So a lot of people are happy to pay. Its more the venue than the girl. Better analogy is the cost of plate of pasta at Olive Garden or some high end Italian restaurant. The same product packaged differently and sold in a different outlet is a different price. Go Go girls are expensive, no matter what they look like and a street girl is cheap no matter what she looks like as well.

[QUOTE=Aimless;2981505]Sorry to disagree with you ET, but as someone that doesn't speak much Thai, I still get by after 6 visits (been going every day LOL) and I'm having a great time. I would warn that the non-Thai speaking tourist needs to really adjust their expectations though in that they're going to get overcharged and still must smile and say thank you. For a westerner though, these overcharges won't be much. My strategy of using my google translate to ask for a girl that speaks English on the first visit really helped as the girl then greased the wheels and made the experience much smoother, and some of the staff speak a few words of English as well. Also, be prepared to dish out lots of smiles and thank yous as some of the staff will get grumpy and impatient with the non-Thai tourist. Cheers, A.[/QUOTE]I am glad you are having a good time there. However, the majority of guys won't feel comfortable there as they can't understand or speak any Thai. Most guys will be going there with one goal in mind, and that is to fuck one of the girls there. You have been 6 times and I don't think you have even pulled the trigger yet. If your Thai language ability being almost non existent is not the reason for that then so be it. But if you are not fucking any of the girls there yet because of your Thai not being good enough, then you have just proven my point with all the stuff you just said in your post.

If you go with a Thai speaker you will accomplish the following:

1. No misunderstandings over the bill.

2. No misunderstandings about a girl that maybe will only drink with you and not go to fuck you because they never went with a foreigner before. Seen that here plenty of times. Had guys come over and ask me for help.

3. You will have more fun with the girls as you can actually communicate without using your phone all the time.

I guess "having a good time" means different things for different people. For most, it will mean going ST with one of the girls here and having a good experience on the bed with her. IMHO.

[QUOTE=Aimless;2981502]I totally agree with HT. It's basic free market economics at its finest. In a free market such as this, there is no right or wrong price. The actual price that the deal gets done at is the "right" price in a free market, all factors considered. And all factors do need to be considered for each particular buyer and seller even if they don't apply to me or you or a particular girl, such as convenience in not getting into a prolonged annoying negotiation as mentioned by HT. These factors change the actual price. The problem that so many people don't realize is that the "asking" price is not necessarily the actual market price. If someone really wants to save money then they can spend the time making the rounds and intensely negotiate with many different sellers to get the best price which would then be the market price, for them, considering the factors that are important to that particular buyer and seller. That's how free markets work and we can't argue with that or lament that one particular buyer or group of buyers messes it up for everyone or that we can somehow change that.[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct! This is something I have been saying for many years across three different country threads (Dominican Republic, Colombia and Thailand).

Being a successful trader helps you understand markets better. Absolute price is not an indication of value. It is an indication of the current value of the asset in the market.

I have a female friend here in Thailand that told me: [I]If a girl needs 500 THB right now, she might do short time with you for that price[/I]. Just depends.

A week in Bangkok and a lot of research I decided to visit 2 massage parlors and 2 BJ bars. The BJ bars were easy, I was staying right next to wood bar so that was a must, then it appeared Seven Heaven was the upscale version so Id take that one too.

Choosing the massage spots were not as straightforward. I scoured their pages for girl lists, read reviews here and messaged the ones I could on WhatsApp (as an American I couldn't get a line number). I ended up on Hunny Bunny (greatest value) and Wonder (best looking girls IMO).

Wonder.

Fack? I know that sounds funny but that's what I heard as her name.

Face- 3.5/5.

Body- 2.5/5.

Service- 3/5.

Age- ? I'd guess mid 20's.

Cost- 2500 + 200 tip 90 min.

WIR- no.

There were posts about bait and switches by wonder but a later post by someone saying they no longer did that. I messaged them for a list of girls there that day, arrived to see the bait and switch game is 100% still on. I had been looking at these girls for weeks, I knew what they looked like. These girls were not the ones listed or sent to me. That being said, there were a ton of them and they were fairly attractive.

I picked the one with the prettiest face as I'm a face guy. Standard shower and service. Nothing really special good or bad here. She kept telling me how handsome I was, which was nice for the confidence. She really liked my eyes and kept telling me I had prettier eyelashes than her haha. Came once and ran out of time for the 2nd shot so got dressed, tipped her 200 and left. Disappointed was the wrong word but nothing special about the experience.

Wood bar.

Who knows on name, they usually go by letters or numbers. This girl was not listed on their site.

Face- 3/5.

Body- 2/5.

Service- 4/5.

Age- ? I'd guess mid 20's.

Cost- 1000 + 100 tip.

WIR- absolutely.

Head to wood bar and there were a lot of girls in the lineup and most were quite unattractive to me. I picked the only one who was slightly attractive. Decent see cups but a pretty smile and nice hair. Head up to the room, clean your junk off in sink, sit in a beat to shit office chair and she gets on her knees, takes her top off and goes to town. Someone was getting fucked next door, you can hear everything. She keeps looking at me and laughing at the sounds. The blowjob was very very good. She's clearly a pro and after about 10 min I cum in her mouth. She cleans us both up and asks me if I want sex. I thought about it, but in this place. Nah, I politely declined and headed out. Incredibly cheap, great service, would definitely repeat.

Hunny Bunny.

Mimi.

Face- 4/5.

Body- 2/5.

Service- 5/5.

Age- ? I'd say mid 20's.

Cost- 2200 + 200 tip 1 HR.

WIR- probably but I lied to her and told her I was coming back.

Mimi's eyes do something for me. You can see her in their website. I had 2 other girls in mind ahead of Mimi before heading to Hunny Bunny but they didn't come in the lineup even though they were working that day. Mimi was making sexy lip biting faces at me in the lineup LOL she seemed fun. Picked her and went up. She was super playful, playing with my hair and making faces at me. She kept talking to me in Thai the whole way up the stairs, I apologized once we got to the room for not speaking Thai. "You not Thai?" She asked. No, I'm half Filipino. She laughed and said, "you handsome, you fuck me good. "

She was playful in the shower, kept grabbing my dick "my friend" she'd say. We kept looking at each other and laughing like teenagers.

When I laid on the bed I got the best blowjob I've had in my life. First time I've been deepthroated, felt my dick hitting the back of her throat and hearing her gag and watching her bob up and down. That alone made the service worth it.

She climbed up from there and jumped on top in cowgirl. Not going to lie, that didn't do much for me. She wasn't all that tight and she was having a good time, but I wasn't feeling much. Plus I've never seen sagging A cups before. After a few minutes she got off and we switched to missionary. Her eyes looked good while we locked while I was fucking her. She started moaning "daddy" in a heavy Thai accent and I almost laughed but contained myself. Came in the bag and collapsed on the bed.

"How many pops? 2? 3? 10?" She asked me after. I just shrugged that I didn't know. There was only about 15 minutes left and I wanted to visit Seven Heaven after this so I declined and just asked for her to massage me.

The massage was terrible haha but it's ok, that's not what I was there for.

She asked me if I was singer. Huh? No; are you singer? She said, "you bad boy, yes I'm a singer mom" ooooh. She was really funny. She told me she would be girlfriend #2 and when girlfriend #1 don't fuck good, come visit her. She told me to come back tomorrow, but I'm leaving tomorrow. I just said ok, and enjoyed the last few minutes of a bad massage. I don't think Mimi's service will be for everyone, but her and I really clicked. We had the same humor and I found her playfulness sexy. Her blowjob skills are universal though and out of this world. She kissed me and I went on my way to a coffee shop to recover for an hour before I hit Seven Heaven.

Seven Heaven.

Reina.

Face- 2/5.

Body- 4/5.

Service- 4/5.

Age- ? I'd say early 20's.

Cost- 1300 + 200 tip.

WIR- absolutely.

Walked in, saw the girls on the iPad. IPad pictures don't blur their faces and I found another girl who I thought was more attractive than Reina but Reina was on my radar before I came to Thailand and she was thick, which I hadn't had a thick girl yet so I picked her.

She met me in the hall, walked me to the room and cleaned me up in the sink. Her face was a bit on the chubbier side and her body was sliiiiightly bigger than the perfect thickness for me, but still really good.

Service was also really good. Very much PSE. Lots of saliva, lots of noise, lots of head movement. Would've been the best blowjob I've ever had if I wouldn't have just been deep throated an hour earlier.

I was a little concerned with being able to cum again in such short time but Reina made sure it wouldn't take long. It was a bit mechanical, she was trying to get me to cum ASAP and pulled out any trick she could. That being said, it was a really good blowjob and I came in about 10 minutes and it was cleanup and get out time.

Bangkok is only the 2nd place I've mongerer other than Japan. I feel the quality of the women is decent but the value for the price is amazing. I live in the US and if you add up all four of these experiences that'd probably be the cost of 1 hour at home and I live in a state where if I'm caught it's a felony. No thanks.

There's tons of options, getting to them is kind of a ***** as public transport sucks, traffic is horrible and walking is dirty and crowded. That being said, I believe it's well worth it. Happy to answer any questions anyone may have.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2981450]The big issue is the majority of punters, especially new punters can't tell a Ferrari from a Toyota when it comes to p4 p.[/QUOTE]And the big drawback is that in P4P you don't get a test drive before you make a purchase.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2981513]
Yesterday we were at breakfast and a buddy of mine talked about post-offering a chick 2000 baht that did not even ask for money. I said why do you give them so much. He eventually snuck the money into the girl's purse, but she saw it before leaving and took it out and left it in his apartment. Everybody is not a hooker either.[/QUOTE]Myself I find people like that annoying. Like they think all girls in asia are hookers.

One of my last days in Bangkok last month, I saw a girl on tf. She had her line-info there too, so I thought it's surely a ho looking for customers. Contacted her on LINE and exchanged a few normal "how are you" messages. Asked if she wanted to meet, she said yes, and she suggested tomorrow, after she finishes at uni around 5 pm. Had other plans for the start of that evening, so when I got around to messaging her again in the evening next day, she didn't respond until afternoon the day after that again, and said that was too late last night. I suggested today then? She said ok, in one hour, 5:15 pm?

I was thinking she's probably a ho since she has her line-info on her tf page, so, just invite her to my place, and tell her "1500, short-time, ok?" But I'm not sure, so instead ask her where she wants to meet, thinking she'll say my place and give me a price. Instead she suggest a nearby park. Meet her there, hang out and do normal stuff for an hour, then walk back to my place, bang her three times, and she leaves next morning.

Turned out she was a normal 19 year old who had recently moved to Bangkok for study, and did not have many friends yet, rather than a hooker. Just wanted some company.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2981513].2000 baht that did not even ask for money. I said why do you give them so much. He eventually snuck the money into the girl's purse, but she saw it before leaving and took it out and left it in his apartment. Everybody is not a hooker either.[/QUOTE]Years ago something similar happened to me. Had unplanned meeting in coffee shop and ended up spending the next 12 days with her, except for 8 hours on 9 days when she had to do her accounting job. This was a relationship, not P4P. We did a lot of window shopping, but she never let me buy anything for her. When I had to leave Thailand, I put 20,000 baht in her purse and then I left town. An hour later she calls me and complains about me giving money. She tried to make arrangements to send money back to me via Western Union, but I played it as a birthday gift, which was about 3 weeks into the future.

Most Thai women are not hookers, many support themselves and are insulted when money is offered. My case above is unusual because she didn't let me buy gifts for her, I've never had another Thai woman turn down gifts.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2981602]Years ago something similar happened to me. Had unplanned meeting in coffee shop and ended up spending the next 12 days with her, except for 8 hours on 9 days when she had to do her accounting job. This was a relationship, not P4P. We did a lot of window shopping, but she never let me buy anything for her. When I had to leave Thailand, I put 20,000 baht in her purse and then I left town. An hour later she calls me and complains about me giving money. She tried to make arrangements to send money back to me via Western Union, but I played it as a birthday gift, which was about 3 weeks into the future.

Most Thai women are not hookers, many support themselves and are insulted when money is offered. My case above is unusual because she didn't let me buy gifts for her, I've never had another Thai woman turn down gifts.[/QUOTE]A tip for next time, if you really want to give money to a thai woman, but not directly: go to one of the many gold shops scattered around any town, and spend those 20,000 on a necklace or something. After you've left the woman can get almost all of those 20,000 back from any gold shop in exchange for the necklace.