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[QUOTE=Aimless;2982250]Oh heck, maybe that's why I thought they look funny from a distance LOL. I'll have to tell my bro that recommended it. I think he may have even pulled a "girl" out of there.[/QUOTE]You need to approach it sensitively and correctly. Make sure you get the details of the girl first, then hit him with the cold hard truth. Do it among the boys so everyone can enjoy. Make sure you show him this:
HA, HA DUDE, Wonderland is a ladyboy bar, you are busted!
Hi everyone. I've been reading everyone's posts here for a bit now and I'm convinced experienced travelers post here. I really don't know where to post my question on ISG so I'll post it here. I hope you don't mind and I'll keep this post brief. Since the gentrification of Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya is at hand, and it's very dangerous to travel to Columbia now, my question is: Where does one go to monger these days? I have no clue on where to go where I won't get drugged and / or I won't see families mixed in with bar girls. I would love some guidance please. Thanks for your time in advance!
[QUOTE=EdWhy;2982354]Hi everyone. I've been reading everyone's posts here for a bit now and I'm convinced experienced travelers post here. I really don't know where to post my question on ISG so I'll post it here. I hope you don't mind and I'll keep this post brief. Since the gentrification of Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya is at hand, and it's very dangerous to travel to Columbia now, my question is: Where does one go to monger these days? I have no clue on where to go where I won't get drugged and / or I won't see families mixed in with bar girls. I would love some guidance please. Thanks for your time in advance![/QUOTE]Whilst not as safe as Thailand, Brazil is much better for mongering these days. I'm in Sao Paulo now and in contrast to Pattays, the quality seems to have increased since my last trip. Obviously there's far more diversity here and a bad session with a women here is usually still better than a good session with a Thai girl.
I visited Colombia a few times but once I tried Brazil, I never went back. Brazil beats Colombia in every aspect for me.
[QUOTE=EdWhy;2982354]Hi everyone. I've been reading everyone's posts here for a bit now and I'm convinced experienced travelers post here. I really don't know where to post my question on ISG so I'll post it here. I hope you don't mind and I'll keep this post brief. Since the gentrification of Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya is at hand, and it's very dangerous to travel to Columbia now, my question is: Where does one go to monger these days? I have no clue on where to go where I won't get drugged and / or I won't see families mixed in with bar girls. I would love some guidance please. Thanks for your time in advance![/QUOTE]Anywhere you want to go, there are women available. Maybe check out German FKK clubs. Or stick with reviewed providers / reviewed agencies and schedule things in advance.
Regardless of mongering, dangerous places are still dangerous and drinking alcohol still puts you at risk of being taken advantage of.
[QUOTE=EdWhy;2982354]Hi everyone. I've been reading everyone's posts here for a bit now and I'm convinced experienced travelers post here. I really don't know where to post my question on ISG so I'll post it here. I hope you don't mind and I'll keep this post brief. Since the gentrification of Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya is at hand, and it's very dangerous to travel to Columbia now, my question is: Where does one go to monger these days? I have no clue on where to go where I won't get drugged and / or I won't see families mixed in with bar girls. I would love some guidance please. Thanks for your time in advance![/QUOTE]Bangkok is fine. Go to Nana. I don't go to Pattaya. I hear from tourists that Phuket is a nightmare.
[QUOTE=EdWhy;2982354]Since the gentrification of Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya is at hand, and it's very dangerous to travel to Columbia now, my question is: Where does one go to monger these days? I have no clue on where to go where I won't get drugged [/QUOTE]Who told you it was dangerous to go to Colombia? It is only dangerous when you are drinking around stangers that you invite to your place. As for all the other places, pussy is still on sale in all of them.
[QUOTE=EdWhy;2982354]Hi everyone. I've been reading everyone's posts here for a bit now and I'm convinced experienced travelers post here. I really don't know where to post my question on ISG so I'll post it here. I hope you don't mind and I'll keep this post brief. Since the gentrification of Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya is at hand, and it's very dangerous to travel to Columbia now, my question is: Where does one go to monger these days? I have no clue on where to go where I won't get drugged and / or I won't see families mixed in with bar girls. I would love some guidance please. Thanks for your time in advance![/QUOTE]I monger in Asia because I used to work in China and like the atmosphere in Asia. That said, the trip from the USA to Asia can be brutal. In the last few years I make the trip twice a year and stay a minimum of two weeks. To me Thailand is a very good mongering location. China used to be good but those days are long gone. I usually stay only a few days in Bangkok then the rest of the time in Hua Hin. I have been to Phuket and glad I went. But I have no desire to go back. It is a great tourist spot but not great for mongering. To get more help you need to let us know more about what you are looking for. If you are just looking to increase your body count then Pattaya or Bangkok is the places in Thailand.
[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2982494] <snip> China used to be good but those days are long gone. <snip> [/QUOTE]Is the price higher in China now? Or is it something else? Please elaborate.
Thanks,
~BKK
So, first time in Bangkok, and wanted to give a short report of what I have seen so far:
I had to check out one of the BJ bars despite the negative reviews I've read. As I approached Kasalong from a side street off of Soi 4, I could instantly tell that the talent working there was not up to any standard I would even remotely consider for full service. But I was ready to go, and had a pretty good idea of what to expect, so I did it anyway. There were maybe 3 or 4 women working at the time, and honestly they were all 5's at best. Anyway, I chose the one who seemed to have a plucky attitude, big smile, and adequate breasts. Within 3 minutes I'm upstairs and she's washing my dick and balls in a semi-sketchy private room, and then you sit on a little leather couch with a towel under you. She got to work instantly, and while it wasn't the pro-level, mind blowing experience I was hoping for, it much more reminded me of a blowjob you get from a woman you just started dating. She was dilligent, focused, and obviously wanted me to have a good time. Some deep throating, no teeth, slow, CIM. Total damage was 800 baht plus 200 baht tip. She was very appreciative of the tip, and overall I left feeling satisfied, but I am not rearing to get back again anytime soon.
I have also strolled Soi 4 / Nana multiple times so far at peak hours, and there are definitely some cute ones out there but overall I was a bit dissapointed in what I saw. Definitely some decent talent, but nothing to compell me to talk to one and seal the deal. Maybe the talent is better as it gets closer to the weekend. We shall see, but if you're looking for a 6, there's tons. I saw maybe one or two 7's and that was it. Just don't be an idiot and think 8's and 9's are going to be lined up on Soi 4, as that is kind of what I had built up in my mind, which I know is frankly stupid. Also be ready to have your arms unsolicitedly grabbed as you walk by the masses of them, which I fucking hate, but I suppose it helps them drum up business.
So much left to explore, and will report back with more info.
My first mongering event in life was in Bangkok over 30 years ago and I've been mongering ever since. Regarding Thailand I feel many places that used to be good have gone south, but Bangkok has managed to be superbly while also developing new strengths.
A recent positive experience was Stocking Massage. Started by showering with the lady. Just a thorough shower. Then she put on a pair of black stockings. So there she was. A beautiful Thai lady, cute face, long straight black hair, fine natural be-cups, and black stockings. She instructed me that I could rip the stockings, which really turned me on. Started by a standing kissing session that lasted quite a while, during which I fondled her nice ass, kissed her breasts and made sure her vulva was continuously engaged by either my leg, hand or fingers. I must say her kissing was second to none.
Got her down on the bed. I was tremendously horny. Ripped the stockings by the crotch and went down on her. She had a nice Bush and tasted excellent. Nice BBJ and then I could not control myself and fucked her in several positions with stockings on. Came over her body and breasts.
Recommended. I also appreciated the entrance. No door, just slip in and up the stairs.
[URL]stockingmassage.com[/URL]
[QUOTE=BKKguru;2982516]Is the price higher in China now? Or is it something else? Please elaborate.[/QUOTE]You are a senior member here. Did you miss the reports of police raids all over the country? It was a little paradise across the border from Hongkong with wild parties and masses of girls fresh from the farm in 2000. But it became too famous and the government did a total stop on it, also on the few good monger bars / discos in Beijing and Shanghai.
Nowadays the mongering scene to us foreigners is mediocre.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2982277]"Tooms, it sounds like you've had a rougher go of it in that area than I have. Maybe it's luck, timing, or just a difference in approach, but my night was exactly what I wanted good company, great vibe, and no drama. I get that Soi 7 has its share of 'drinks only' girls, but that wasn't my experience this last time and once before. I did have that same experience a few other times though. However, I seem to have a knack for knowing what battles to take on. I can sense the drinks only girls the same as you, but I can also sense bullshit too. Those cute and sexy drinks only girls use that as an excuse to not go with a customer if they don't want to for many reasons. They don't like them. They know the price will be too low for them or they can't speak English so don't have enough confidence. If I had to guess, my Thai ability was the main reasons in both cases that I took girls from Soi 7. Both were new girls fresh from Isaan or the south of Thailand. They didnt speak much English either. The first one only stayed three weeks and was gone as she couldn't make her drink quota because she couldn't communicate with the customers. There was a third girl from the smaller corner bar that I never asked to go with me. I would just go to drink with her once and a while waiting for Nana plaza or Soi Cowboy to open. She set off my drink only girl radar right from the start and confirmed that after my 2nd visit. Not too soon after that she was asking me to bar fine her. I never went back to drink with her because I could sense she was playing the long game with me to find someone to support her. I just pay a more than reasonable amount to get what I want and I am generous when it comes to buying lady drinks. I like to drink and mess around with the girls in the bars, play my own music and have fun before the main event.
So, in the end I have had two good experiences there with girls who originally implied they don't go with customers. Both were cute, 21-22 years old, and I took that as a challenge. Ended up taking both of them. What I can say helped was my Thai language ability, my 'who cares' attitude about how much I spend, and just keeping things no drama. I didn't hand them a script they had to agree to for sex beforehand, nothing like that. In fact, nothing was really discussed other than a rough idea of how much I might pay. In one of the two cases, no amount of money was ever even mentioned casually or indirectly. Both encounters were BBFS CIP too. A lot of my encounters go this way. In fact the most recent girl wont leave me alone. She messages me everyday asking for me to go to meet her in Ramkamhang. She does not work everyday apparently.
Either way, if it's not working for you in Soi 7, no harm in moving on. Plenty of other spots in Bangkok where the right chemistry can still lead to a proper good time. ".
By the way, you are right. The regular girls working there everyday are either cute, hot and sexy but claim drinks only or they are not doable. I have gone there 20 times or so and only pulled twice with an option to pull a third time which I declined. Soi 7 is for sure not a given when it comes to bar fining a girl for sex. The odds are definitely not in our favor when it comes to readily available cute and sexy girls to fuck. However, if you know how to play the game, dont care too much about your budget and can speak some Thai, you will do alright. The issue is most guys are tourists and dont want to deal with this kind of thing. For this reason, Soi 7 will never be the go to place for true mongers including myself. The reason I posted this time was to show an example of what a perfect night should be in Bangkok. These types of perfect nights seem to be few and far between these days. Nothing like it was even 5 years ago.[/QUOTE]I agree that it could be timing or approach. But after all these years and devoting significant time to just relaxing, having fun, drinks, Thai language basics, at least enough to get some laughs out of them and so on, I believe the determining factor for me is pure luck. The wheel just spins and my ball (s) just happens to land on the right number on a given night. In that particular group of beer bars on Soi 7, that is.
In other venues such as Nana Plaza gogo bars, "luck" is not nearly the critical factor in whether or not I wind up having Real Sex with an attractive girl from there as it is in other venues.
I would also classify Thermae as one of those Pure Luck venues. In fact, I might have blown my wad of "Luck" for the entire year with that cute face and sweet body young lady I took from there a week or two ago who agreed upfront to Real Sex / DFK, BBBJ +BBFSCIP with me. I posted a FR about it here. Anyway, something like that at Thermae is so rare for me I don't expect the 2nd Lucky Lightning Strike like that to happen again in Thermae for a couple of years at least. LOL.
Yet, eternal optimist that I am, I still stop into those Soi 7 beer bars and Thermae every so often just to see if the ball will land on the winning number this night. But usually not.
[QUOTE=BKKguru;2982516]Is the price higher in China now? Or is it something else? Please elaborate.
Thanks,
~BKK[/QUOTE]The answer is fewer expats. Since 2012 the amount of expats in China (and tourists) have steady declined. I have seen estimates that the expat population is about 10% of what it was in 2012. There used to be bars that catered to expat and tourists, they are almost all gone now. The price of sex is about the same. 2000 RMB would get you longtime with a pretty girl and my understanding is that is still true. Now finding a girl is not easy. By the way 2000 RMB equals about $300 US. That is why I no longer bother with China.
My first visit to Chengdu, Shanghai, was 1998, Back then it was heaven. I remember picking up girls in Bars, Clubs, streets, malls everywhere.
Went back to China 2015 and it was whole different world. P4P is same price as US, no wonder Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines is full of Chinese mongers.
When mongers go out of country, it tell you something.
Also have something to do with my age, and confidence and looks, back then it was whole different world.
[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2982603]The answer is fewer expats. Since 2012 the amount of expats in China (and tourists) have steady declined. I have seen estimates that the expat population is about 10% of what it was in 2012. There used to be bars that catered to expat and tourists, they are almost all gone now. The price of sex is about the same. 2000 RMB would get you longtime with a pretty girl and my understanding is that is still true. Now finding a girl is not easy. By the way 2000 RMB equals about $300 US. That is why I no longer bother with China.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Interstella;2982537]So, first time in Bangkok, and wanted to give a short report of what I have seen so far:
I had to check out one of the BJ bars despite the negative reviews I've read. As I approached Kasalong from a side street off of Soi 4, I could instantly tell that the talent working there was not up to any standard I would even remotely consider for full service. But I was ready to go, and had a pretty good idea of what to expect, so I did it anyway. There were maybe 3 or 4 women working at the time, and honestly they were all 5's at best. Anyway, I chose the one who seemed to have a plucky attitude, big smile, and adequate breasts. Within 3 minutes I'm upstairs and she's washing my dick and balls in a semi-sketchy private room, and then you sit on a little leather couch with a towel under you. She got to work instantly, and while it wasn't the pro-level, mind blowing experience I was hoping for, it much more reminded me of a blowjob you get from a woman you just started dating. She was dilligent, focused, and obviously wanted me to have a good time. Some deep throating, no teeth, slow, CIM. Total damage was 800 baht plus 200 baht tip. She was very appreciative of the tip, and overall I left feeling satisfied, but I am not rearing to get back again anytime soon.
I have also strolled Soi 4 / Nana multiple times so far at peak hours, and there are definitely some cute ones out there but overall I was a bit dissapointed in what I saw. Definitely some decent talent, but nothing to compell me to talk to one and seal the deal. Maybe the talent is better as it gets closer to the weekend. We shall see, but if you're looking for a 6, there's tons. I saw maybe one or two 7's and that was it. Just don't be an idiot and think 8's and 9's are going to be lined up on Soi 4, as that is kind of what I had built up in my mind, which I know is frankly stupid. Also be ready to have your arms unsolicitedly grabbed as you walk by the masses of them, which I fucking hate, but I suppose it helps them drum up business.
So much left to explore, and will report back with more info.[/QUOTE]I am not sure if you didn't read the forum or what. Kasalong is total shit. If you want a better BJ bar experience go to Wood Bar.
As far as "strolling" goes that is yet another way to find subpar talent not pretty enough to work as a gogo girl. Sure you can prob find someone. But your def fishing in a much muddier pond.