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Have been using xoom for the last few years to send money to the Philippines and it has always been the cheapest method compared to bank transfers and Western Union. I don't send much, but the frequency is usually once or twice per month and there have never been any problems. However on my last visit to the Philippines I tried to use my Xoom account to transfer money to a girl in Pagadian City whilst I was in Cebu.

Xoom obviously picked up on the fact that I was in the same country that I was sending money and promptly blocked my account. At the time I did not realise inter country transfers were not allowed.

Once back in my home country (UK) I sent several emails asking for my account to be reinstated but all I got back was automated replies that did not address any of the issues. It took several long distance phone calls to the US before my account was was again functioning.

I continued using my account successfully until this month when I found I could no longer log in, despite repeated attempts. I fired off several emails (all of them polite I might add) and eventually got this email from xoom, I have cut and pasted it for everyone's benefit

"We write to inform you that, after careful review, we have disabled your Xoom account, effective immediately, and canceled all pending transactions. This decision cannot be appealed. Please discontinue using the Xoom service and use an alternative sending money source.

Very truly yours,

The Xoom Compliance Team"

I tried phoning xoom several times and have asked the customer service representative to find out what the reason is for the above email but no one from xoom has even had the courtesy to give me an explanation. I have written to them again politely and called but no one from xoom will offer me any reason or explanation. I am so angry, no I am incandescent with rage that xoom have treated me like this after several years of my loyal custom arrrrhhhhh ****ing ***holes and I have posted this as a warning to other members who may use xoom to transfer money. Anyone else can shed any light on this attitude of Xoom???...................OK rant over lets talk about something more interesting like sex!!

PS Just in case anyone from xoom ever reads this...........though I doubt it...they are all probably too busy fucking off their customers rather than attending to their needs........ I will see hell freeze over before I ever recommend your service and I will go out of my way to dissuade any other unfortunate person from using your service

[QUOTE=Mortman]Have been using xoom for the last few years to send money to the Philippines [/QUOTE]
This is where holiday crush meets lack of funding. Its much easier to have automated systems decide when so suspend an account. Hiring someone to actually review accounts costs $$, and there is a recession on.

Certainly suggest, next time you travel to the PI, you message your bank and tell them you are on vacation there and may be using your debit/credit card.

Within Asia, Indonesia and Philippines are the fraud standouts.

Hey guys,

I am just wondering what is the bar scene like in Manila and how much is it to barfine a girl there? Also, what is the best way to travel from Manila to Angeles City, since I'm not planning on renting a car?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jambo]This is where holiday crush meets lack of funding. Its much easier to have automated systems decide when so suspend an account. Hiring someone to actually review accounts costs $$, and there is a recession on.

Certainly suggest, next time you travel to the PI, you message your bank and tell them you are on vacation there and may be using your debit/credit card.

Within Asia, Indonesia and Philippines are the fraud standouts.[/QUOTE]

Jambo
I think you have misunderstood my rant!
This is not about the use of my credit/debit cards, I use these frequently in the Philippines without any problems. I am talking about xoom money transfers, similar in many ways to Western Union. I don't understand what you mean about holiday funding verses lack of funding since xoom take the money from your account debit/credit card before transferring it on to the third party, so in essence they do not need or use their own funds.
Mortman

[QUOTE=Mortman]Jambo I think you have misunderstood my rant![/QUOTE]
No what I mean is companies don't have the money to fully fund customer service. If a program cam make a risk decision they will go with it. Closing your account may seem better for them than keeping x no of Pakistanis on the payroll to answer phone calls. After all, you used Xoom because why? They were cheapest.

Sending a msg to your banks in advance of travel may prevent these kind of interruptions in service, as it explains why suddenly you are withdrawing money from another country.

BTW Paypal handles Philippin Pesos now. $1.50 fee to send $300, and the PHP exchange rate now is 46.1p/$ not that bad.

Call me a pessimist. But I think we need to get used to living where any organization we are dealing with could collapse the next day.

[QUOTE=Agentwhite]
I am just wondering what is the bar scene like in Manila and how much is it to barfine a girl there? Also, what is the best way to travel from Manila to Angeles City, since I'm not planning on renting a car?
[/QUOTE]
Quite obviously you are able to write.
How about reading?

I've used Xoom from time to time for a few years without incident. Before I left home a month ago, I emailed Xoom and asked them if I could continue to use their service while overseas. After a small amount of clarification, they said yes and appear to have upheld their end as I was able to send money a couple of weeks ago while I was in the Phils. So not everyone has a bad ending like Mortman. Sorry to hear about his bad time and I understand his anger, but it's not enough to send me elsewhere. Yet.

[QUOTE=Ekspat]Quite obviously you are able to write.

How about reading?[/QUOTE]Obviously you have the time on your hands to come on here and be a *******. I didn't mean to rustle any feathers. I unfortunately have sifted through a lot of useful information on here , but just haven't found exactly what I was looking for. If anyone could help me out that would be awesome.

AgentWhite

Mortman

I would agree with your comments. Have tried to use Xoom on a number of occasions from the UAE and completely hopeless. Last time I did this the request was rejected and I did not even know until I called them...this after a frantic call from the girlfriend asking where is it 2 days later!....all Xoom would say is the card was rejected. This is a well known international bank.

So now I have stopped using Xoom and if pushed use WU.

Given that mongers come i all shapes and sizes am sure there must be a Xoom employee who likes our habits....and hopefully he will do his best to rectify the problems

I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women.

Can one of you experts suggest the best locations. I want to go in January.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jambo]BTW Paypal handles Philippin Pesos now. $1.50 fee to send $300, and the PHP exchange rate now is 46.1p/$ not that bad.[/QUOTE]Can you elaborate how to use Paypal to wire money to another country?

I looked at the site, but could not figure it out.

Can it be arranged for a person to pick it up, or just into a bank account?

How to you pay the funds, from a credit card? Do they charge a cash advance fee?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Mark17]Can you elaborate how to use Paypal to wire money to another country?[/QUOTE]
Well I have not done it but it looks like:
- You and her both need Paypal accounts.
- She needs a local bank account.
- You fund paypal with a credit card or transfer from your bank.
- She can pick up the Paypal transfer at her bank. After 6 months, seems like she can get a debit card from Paypal and use that.
- Start a transaction and you will see the fees as you go. There will certainly be more fees in the transfer/pickup in her bank.

The expats in the Living in Cebu forums have been chatting about this. I suggest you don't mention mongering over there..lol

[QUOTE=Razzor]Sorry fellow mongers for the late report.

I hooked up with Nikki the first week of May. I spent a couple of days with her and she is good company and very accommodating. The logistic with getting her to Manila were a bit of show, but all in all everything when as planned. She’s a very talented lady that knows how to make you feel pretty damn good. She is also willing to find another lady or guy and get it on. Basically whatever you want to do, she is probably game for it. We tried to find another girl one night but things just didn’t pan out with the one’s we wanted so it didn’t happen. I wanted to get a buddy of mine to bang her as well but he took off to Subic and didn’t get back in time. All in all I would recommend her to anyone looking for a good time. She is comfortable to be around and not demanding. I would recommend if someone wants to spend some time with a lady that knows how to get it done, she is your lady. If she is around when I go back to Manila I will look her up.

I’ve posted some pictures in the photo section.

RaZZorR[/QUOTE]I also had the pleasure of meeting Miss N. (see also the UAE section for reference). This was the end of October. Indeed it was again difficult to get her to Manila, as she was at that moment several hours of bus-drive away. On top of that, there had recently been two hurricanes and a lot of flooding, causing her and her family a lot of trouble. But when she was finally there, I had a great time with her. She stayed for two nights and was everything I had hoped for! So a thank you to WR for putting me in touch with her. She told me she had plans to move to Manila, so that should be much easier in the near future. Please PM WR for contact details.

I'll post some more picures in the photo section.

I've done some day trips here and there, but I can't be of much help. I hope you follow up with some field reports.

I enjoyed a short hiking trip out of Valencia, Negros to see the falls. THe name escapes me, but also there is the Twin Lakes area...out of Dumaguete I think.

Found some beautiful areas on Leyte. Samar is probably worth investigating.

Kongking once gave an excellent report about his multiple day hike up and down Mt. Apo, Mindanao (Davao thread?). Spamhog once gave an excellent post about visiting Mrs. SH's hometown in the boondocks of Surigao.

"Dirty" women? Some of the begger women let themselves get dirty to increase revenue. Have fun with them.

Cebu or Davao are good starting points for what you have in mind.

X

[QUOTE=Spanish Main]I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women.

Can one of you experts suggest the best locations. I want to go in January.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mark17]Can you elaborate how to use Paypal to wire money to another country?

I looked at the site, but could not figure it out.

Can it be arranged for a person to pick it up, or just into a bank account?

How to you pay the funds, from a credit card? Do they charge a cash advance fee?

Thanks[/QUOTE]


Transfering money?

A: Reach into your left pocket with your left hand.
B: Transfer money to your right hand.
C: Place money into your right pocket.
D: Fly to Philippines the first chance you get and have fun with transfered money! :)

YM

I need a flight from Saigon to Manila or even Clark on the 14th of December. Should I purchase the flight in Saigon or book it in advance. I know about Cebu Pacific, any other discount airlines fly this route?

Martin

[QUOTE=El Vagabundo]I need a flight from Saigon to Manila or even Clark on the 14th of December. Should I purchase the flight in Saigon or book it in advance. I know about Cebu Pacific, any other discount airlines fly this route?

Martin[/QUOTE]
I took Philippine Airlines (PAL) from Saigon to Manila in Sept for about $60. I have found it easier to book online with PAL then Cebu Pacific.

[url]http://www.philippineairlines.com/home/home.jsp[/url]

Robb

[QUOTE=Robbaf]I took Philippine Airlines (PAL) from Saigon to Manila in Sept for about $60. I have found it easier to book online with PAL then Cebu Pacific.

[url]http://www.philippineairlines.com/home/home.jsp[/url]

Robb[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I just checked Philippines Air and they only have flights once a week and the fare is $230. 00 one way. Hopefully I can find something on the day I need to travel and a little cheaper too. I will keep an eye on them!

Maybe it has sod all to do with The Philippines (or maybe it has)...

....but even when you are having a really, really bad day ...

...there is still somebody who wants to screw you:D.

[QUOTE=El Vagabundo]I need a flight from Saigon to Manila or even Clark on the 14th of December. Should I purchase the flight in Saigon or book it in advance. I know about Cebu Pacific, any other discount airlines fly this route?

Martin[/QUOTE]

Are you planning on not going back to Vietnam afterwards? If you are traveling to Vietnam and don't have a ticket leaving, some airlines may not let you fly in if you don't have a ticket out of there. Some airlines do check. Maybe you live there I don't know but if you don't, I'd make sure ahead of time that you don't need a outbound ticket before you arrive in Vietnam.

[QUOTE=Key Master]Are you planning on not going back to Vietnam afterwards? If you are traveling to Vietnam and don't have a ticket leaving, some airlines may not let you fly in if you don't have a ticket out of there. Some airlines do check.[/QUOTE]Good advice! At BKK CP refused to check me in for my flight to MNL because I didn't have a return ticket.

[QUOTE=Key Master]Are you planning on not going back to Vietnam afterwards? If you are traveling to Vietnam and don't have a ticket leaving, some airlines may not let you fly in if you don't have a ticket out of there. Some airlines do check. Maybe you live there I don't know but if you don't, I'd make sure ahead of time that you don't need a outbound ticket before you arrive in Vietnam.[/QUOTE]WOW, you bring up a very good point. I have a ticked going into Vietnam, then leaving from BKK 6 weeks later. I was just going to wing it once I get there. I did not think about Vietnam wanting to see an onward ticket out of Vietnam. United sold me the ticket and they consider it a round trip, however perhaps Vietnam Immigration my not. I think I will reserve a flight out of the country and print out the reservation just in case. Good point.

I think I also need some kind of Visa, I saw a company that has an on demand Visa that is waiting for you when you arrive. Do I really need that or can I just pay something when I enter and get in?

I live in Colombia and they are so sloppy and lazy here that I am very used to getting around most of this stuff. One time I was coming in and had used up all my days available on a tourist visa. I convinced the Immigration officer that he was counting the days wrong and he did not want to bother with getting a calendar so he just stamped my passport and off I went, Or perhaps I just know the system and am comfortable with it.

It is going to be a great adventure. I am really looking forward to it.

Thanks, Martin

You could take the (abt) 3 hour drive from Manila to Batangas, then 45 minutes of ride with a banca to Puerto Galera/Sabang where you can have your dirty women... and rent a driver and a Jeep(ney) to take you out in to the forrests of Mindoro (an island southwest of Luzon) where you can experience the ancient life of the "real" pinoys, and ask them to take down a coconut for you to enjoy.


[QUOTE=Spanish Main]I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women.

Can one of you experts suggest the best locations. I want to go in January.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Vagabundo]

I think I also need some kind of Visa, I saw a company that has an on demand Visa that is waiting for you when you arrive. Do I really need that or can I just pay something when I enter and get in?[/QUOTE]You need a visa for Vietnam. It is misleading when you read that you can get an "on-entry" visa in the travel pages.

What it means is that you have to pre-arrange the visa before you go and you get a serial number to quote when you arrive.

There are companies who can assit you with arranging this type of visa. I think it is safer to go to your local Vietnam Embassy and get a visa before you leave.

If you rock up without any pre-planned visa you will be denied entry.

I'll be coming next month for the first time and I'll be staying in Manila for a while then I want to head out for some mongering in another part of the country. Any ideas for a first timer to the country?

I was thinking of Cebu but all I have now is a ticket in and out of Manila so I'm open to go any where else in the country.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Spanish Main]I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women.
[/QUOTE]


I'm afraid my query is a bit similar. My interest in the Philippines is mostly the idea of a gorgeous, uncrowded beach. Where the hassle reaching it is nominal. It's part of a long trip for me and, although it's nice to have 'dirty women' on tap so to speak, I like that the same way as it's nice to have fresh bottled water available (rather than as a primary purpose). Angeles City is obviously a curiosity not to be missed, and the airport is handy to fly out of. But can I find a nice expanse of sand, maybe a beach hut, and not have to shell out a fortune or have brain overload working out how to get there? Sorry to be boring.

Which sim card is better to have: smart or globe?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Which sim card is better to have: smart or globe?[/QUOTE]


Its best to get the same network as the people you are phoning. if you havent got someone in particular but will be looking for various girls when you re there, my estmate would be that SMART + affiliates have a 50% market share, Globe Plus affiliates have a 30% market shre and Others 20%. So go with Smart.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]Its best to get the same network as the people you are phoning. if you havent got someone in particular but will be looking for various girls when you re there, my estmate would be that SMART + affiliates have a 50% market share, Globe Plus affiliates have a 30% market shre and Others 20%. So go with Smart.[/QUOTE]

if you are there for any length of time or have a dual sim card phomne or can geta very cheap second phone it may even make sense to get both Smart and Globe

Does anyone know or have experience on setting broadband internet access for local girl? I am looking for most economical solution as I would have to (pre-)pay for it. It can be wired or wireless. Probably wireless USB modem is more practical in this case. I have googled on matter and found three providers: Sun Cellular, Smart (Bro) and Globe (Tattoo). She would be mostly using it in her province - Balanga City, Bataan, in Central Luzon.

[quote=white whale]does anyone know or have experience on setting broadband internet access for local girl? i am looking for most economical solution as i would have to (pre-)pay for it. it can be wired or wireless. probably wireless usb modem is more practical in this case. i have googled on matter and found three providers: sun cellular, smart (bro) and globe (tattoo). she would be mostly using it in her province - balanga city, bataan, in central luzon.[/quote]


i don't know about globe or sun cellular, but i have been using smart bro for a few months now. it is the size of a cig lighter and connects to the computer via usb port. it costs around 2000 pesos to buy from a smart wireless center, and is easy to set up and use--it just needs a four digit pin that your gal can come up with. the cost for being onliine is 20 p per hour (if i remember correctly) broken down into 30 minute sections, ie, if you are online for 29 minutes, it is 10 p; if you are online for 31 minutes, it is 20 p.

generally speaking, i only use it now when i travel around pi or if my broadband connection at home has a problem. the speed is fine, though variable depending on the local wireless network. all in all, seems like it would be a suitably economical solution for you.

hope this helps.

mantaray

I've always used Globe. Sometimes women will say they can't text me since, "You aren't SMART." It's kind of a double whammy to my ego.

In the beginning I couldn't understand why women would call, allow one ring, and immediately hang up. I guess that is a message telling you to look at the message she has just sent. X

[QUOTE=GregLondon]Its best to get the same network as the people you are phoning. if you havent got someone in particular but will be looking for various girls when you re there, my estmate would be that SMART + affiliates have a 50% market share, Globe Plus affiliates have a 30% market shre and Others 20%. So go with Smart.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]I've always used Globe. Sometimes women will say they can't text me since, "You aren't SMART." It's kind of a double whammy to my ego.

In the beginning I couldn't understand why women would call, allow one ring, and immediately hang up. I guess that is a message telling you to look at the message she has just sent. X[/QUOTE]


Yes generally speaking its 1P for intranetwork texts and 2P for texts between networks, so women are much keener to communicate with you on the same network. MAny of the more active girls will also pay 30P a day for a service giving unlimited texts intra network (and discounted extra network texts.) If you are communicating witha bunch of different grils it is often cheaper for you to get this option too. You have to send a text to te operator to sign up for unlimited daily texts. Any girl or telecom vendor will tel you the various options.

[QUOTE=X Man]I've always used Globe. Sometimes women will say they can't text me since, "You aren't SMART." It's kind of a double whammy to my ego.

In the beginning I couldn't understand why women would call, allow one ring, and immediately hang up. I guess that is a message telling you to look at the message she has just sent. X[/QUOTE]


X, one girl explained to me when I asked her why she rang my phone and hung up, that she was checking to see if my phone was turned on. Evidently a recorded messege saying party is unavailable plays if your phone is turned off. I get the one ring/hang up routine at least a few times a day when I'm in country.

YM

Here in Peru these hang up calls are called "llamadas misias" i.e. "I have no money" calls. Thus her call is free and you return the call on your "dime".

[QUOTE=Yella Man]X, one girl explained to me when I asked her why she rang my phone and hung up, that she was checking to see if my phone was turned on. Evidently a recorded messege saying party is unavailable plays if your phone is turned off. I get the one ring/hang up routine at least a few times a day when I'm in country.

YM[/QUOTE]

I think there are a variety of reasons why they make one ring and hangup. One as Yella has mentioned. They are checking if you are in the PI. When you know a woman knows you are here and they do that, that's usually a signal they want you to call them. They don't want to use up their pesos off they're sim card.

[QUOTE=Yella Man]X, one girl explained to me when I asked her why she rang my phone and hung up, that she was checking to see if my phone was turned on. Evidently a recorded messege saying party is unavailable plays if your phone is turned off. I get the one ring/hang up routine at least a few times a day when I'm in country.

YM[/QUOTE]
You are so right YM. They don't want to waste a text on you if your cell is off:D

Robb

Rising HIV cases in RP alarms Saudi embassy
By Veronica Uy
INQUIRER.net

First Posted 13:21:00 12/10/2009

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Close this MANILA, Philippines—The rising number of HIV and AIDS cases in the country has so worried the Saudi embassy here that it advised medical clinics processing overseas Filipino workers bound for Middle East countries to intensify medical exams and screening for workers to be deployed there, it was learned Thursday.

Departing Saudi Ambassador to the Philippines Muhammad Ameen Wali had called Dr. Rodolfo Punzalan, president and chairman of accredited clinics that screen OFWs leaving for the Gulf countries, to express his concern over the reported upsurge in the cases of human immuno-deficiency virus and acquired immuno-deficiency syndrome in the country.

Punzalan’s 17 Gamca (Gulf Cooperation Council Accedited Medical Center Association) clinics screen OFWs leaving for Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates for infectious diseases.

On December 1, 2009, during the 21st World AIDS Day, the United Nations noted that HIV and AIDS cases in the country have climbed steeply in recent years. More than 9,000 HIV cases have been reported since 1984, with the highest number of monthly cases seen last May 2009.

“The Philippines, with the first AIDS case reported in 1984, remains a low prevalence country, with cases registered at less than 0.1 percent of the total population. However, the recent report of the Philippine HIV and AIDS Registry shows a steep and accelerating number of reported cases in the country,” the UN had said then.

Punzalan stressed that the screening is to prevent the spread of diseases. He said the Gamca referral decking system red-flags an applicant found or suspected with an infectious disease.

The Gamca official said Saudi is very strict with this requirement, performing confirmatory medical exams on all OFWs coming from the Philippines.

He said that in the faxed memo from the Saudi embassy, the latter noted that an increasing number of OFWs have been declared unfit for work by hospitals in Saudi Arabia.

“Now, if we have a lot of repatriations due to infectious diseases, it would affect the hiring of OFWs,” Punzalan warned.

OFWs declared unfit for work by hospitals in Saudi are repatriated at the expense of the employer or the clinic, which is then fined $1,000 for every repatriated OFW.

Punzalan said that among the infectious diseases, HIV/AIDS is the most feared by Middle East employers, followed by pulmonary tuberculosis, venereal diseases, hepatitis, congestive heart, diabetes, and hypertension

[QUOTE=Warbucks]Rising HIV cases in RP alarms Saudi embassy
By Veronica Uy
INQUIRER.net

Punzalan said that among the infectious diseases, HIV/AIDS is the most feared by Middle East employers, followed by pulmonary tuberculosis, venereal diseases, hepatitis, congestive heart, diabetes, and hypertension[/QUOTE]
All persons moving to KSA get tested in the home country and then again when they arrive Sauidi...so am sure this is more to do with the inadeaquate testing services in some countries and also some try to avoid having as many OFWs so can 'fix' the test result in Saudi (eg to exclude certain persons who the employer does not like)....not unheard of.

In many instances the testing clinic in the home country is owned by KSA nationals so again purely money making exercise IMHO

Hey all!

I have been sidelined by one spinner for quite some time, so I haven't been posting on here much. But I'm done with that, so I'm ready to get back into the game.

In order to be well prepared, I have decided to search for a reputable medical facility to have a vasectomy performed. I don't want to be leaving anything but good feelings after I've made my contributions.

Can anyone tell me of a good place for have a vasectomy done, and also what kind of prices I should expect? I'm thinking it should be lower cost in PI or Thailand than what I could expect here in Korea or back in the states. Any suggestions are welcome!

Thanks!
HW

St Luke's Hospital has been recommended to me.

I have used it once, and I have been impressed with the place, although I do not know of its reputation re vasectomies.

To me, it is very smart to have a vasectomy. I had one years ago, and before I meet up with a contact throug a dating site, I tel her, in an apologetic tone, that I can't get her pregnant.

Seems to be working as no lady that I have met up with has not jumped into bed immediately.

And it is not my good looks, I can promise you.

I think it just relieves one element of risk from her radar.

G

Today I had a travel agent with about 20 yrs experience specializing in the Phil tell me that it was not a good idea to book a one way ticket to the Phil even with an onward flight to say BKK. The reason she says is that many airlines will not allow you to board in USA without a return ticket back to USA or a ticket to onward country; that even if onward country THAT country might not allow you in without a return/foward following THEIR visa rules to some other country.

She also said that the gov. In Phil is very shitty about visas and any jerkoff there if he is in a foul mood can send you home whenever he/she wants instead of extending your visa. This plus the bi monthly P4000 fees I am seeing to pay the poriner tax for staying in this shit country really discourages me from even going there. As much as I'd like to see the few friends I have made there, I doubt I am going to be able to tolerate the arbitrariness and bureaucracy there, not to mention the bad air, crime, scams, bribes, the ripoff substandard housing costs there (compared to Thailand) and the disingenuous women I meet on chat there.

I really am starting to think the whole idea of paradise in the Phil is a mirage created by filipinas who are desperate to get out of there and has no substance in reality. It is not that cheap, you give up all your rights and the women, except for the hookers and scammers are not that easy.

About the only advantage I see is that most speak at least Pigin English, so that learning a foreign language is not that an immediate concern. But balance that against the fact that they can talk and scheme right in front of you without you even know what the hell is happening.

It may be far preferable to go to someplace like Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia or Indonesia if you want a cheap playground. I know Thailand has MUCH better housing deals and the people are more civilized, although the women there are not as phoney dependent as they are in Phil.

Has anyone here actually married a woman there they met online? I find 95% of them to either be total phoneys with the remainder having the same feminist qualities as American c**nts. I am told that women of any class or character are not very easy to get there as they are looked on as hookers by the native population even seen in the company of a Westerner.

Apologies for those who think I am off the mark, but that is the way I see it.

Phil is not such a good deal, maybe it once was when prices were low, but most cities now even the cost of a banger is quite high, the only exception being A. C. Where you are likely to spend more on drinks and other useless crap than you are on buying what you came for.

Plus airfares I have recently checked are way up for the next couple months.

Central America is also looking much better now, even Southern Mexico.

[quote=jack sheet]i was in makati a couple weeks ago. i met up with one lady who i had seen on my trip four months ago. as usual, she showed up at my hotel room late so we got down to business right away. she presently works in a call center so she had to leave in the evening to go to work.

a couple nights ago i get a message from her that she had contracted gonorrhea and needs some money for her treatment. obviously, i went to the doc even though i had no symptoms. after a few days, the results came back and i was as clean as a whistle.

after much deliberation, i decided to send her some money in the event she did have something more benign such as a bladder infection. i would have preferred her just asking for the extra money for christmas to avoid all the drama.[/quote]

mostly, the chances in pi would be uti (urinary tract infection) and it costs less than 200 pesos for the medicine...one quick search on google for uti gets the medication to use.

women are more vulnerable to uti than men, drink plenty of water after the deed and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] off just after sex to remove any bacterial infection..it works :)

[QUOTE=Warbucks]Rising HIV cases in RP alarms Saudi embassy
By Veronica Uy
INQUIRER.net

First Posted 13:21:00 12/10/2009

Global Nation Most Read RSS

Close this MANILA, Philippines—The rising number of HIV and AIDS cases in the country has so worried the Saudi embassy here that it advised medical clinics processing overseas Filipino workers bound for Middle East countries to intensify medical exams and screening for workers to be deployed there, it was learned Thursday.

[/QUOTE]

They are employing the same tactic to get millions that they used successfully in India.

HIV in PH is nearly zero, its the NGO's that hype up the stats to get more funding from gates foundation and WHO....The article does not say that the population in the Ph has jumped 30% or so than last decade....so if we average HIV infection is now less than before..compared to the whole population growth.

its only a decade ago..PH has a population of 70 million now its more than 90 million.

I have been a part of USAID back in India when i graduated from college and India was the largest beneficiary of the aid and i saw NGO's buying expensive vehicles for their travel to go to interiors to the country to show of numbers and living in luxary in mumbai.

More than a dozen NGO's in India were banned from operating after they were found to proliferate the money from AIDS prevention.

Im not saying HIV risk is not in PH, but the scary tactic seems exactly as they did in India to get more money from USAID..first they jack up the number then they ask money..then they disappear.

Lots of questions recently about cheap flights to Manila. I got this email today. Notice they only fly from Los Angeles, San Fran, Las Vegas and Vancouver. I am sure there are a bunch of rules, but best to go to there website to check it out.

Los Angeles or San Francisco
TO
Davao/ Cebu/ Bacolod/ Iloilo/ Kalibo/
Puerto Princesa/Legaspi/ Tacloban/ Tagbilaran/ Dumaguete
(VIA Manila)

Free Stopover in Manila on the return journey

For as low asUS$938*

[QUOTE=Gangles]St Luke's Hospital has been recommended to me.

I have used it once, and I have been impressed with the place, although I do not know of its reputation re vasectomies.

To me, it is very smart to have a vasectomy. I had one years ago, and before I meet up with a contact throug a dating site, I tel her, in an apologetic tone, that I can't get her pregnant.

Seems to be working as no lady that I have met up with has not jumped into bed immediately.

And it is not my good looks, I can promise you.

I think it just relieves one element of risk from her radar.

G[/QUOTE]St lukes is a VERY good place. Girls tend to be interested when you tell them that you "can't " get them pregnant.. I; ve had no prostate for past few years and they are truly amazed that a guy can have no sperm. They also have no idea or proof when you come which makes sex very interesting. A blow job with no cum to deal with. They love that!

"I have been a part of USAID back in India when I graduated from college and India was the largest beneficiary of the aid and I saw NGO's buying expensive vehicles for their travel to go to interiors to the country to show of numbers and living in luxary in Mumbai.

More than a dozen NGO's in India were banned from operating after they were found to proliferate the money from AIDS prevention. "

Have travelled recently across Africa and seems same modus operandi. No real help to the needy only empty promises year after year. Something sinister is going on. What about the Climate change?

[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone]

I really am starting to think the whole idea of paradise in the Phil is a mirage created by filipinas who are desperate to get out of there and has no substance in reality. It is not that cheap, you give up all your rights and the women, except for the hookers and scammers are not that easy.

About the only advantage I see is that most speak at least Pigin English, so that learning a foreign language is not that an immediate concern. But balance that against the fact that they can talk and scheme right in front of you without you even know what the hell is happening.
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Your post is quite negative but I think you make some really good points. You're right that the Phils isn't that cheap, considering it's essentially a fourth world country. For example, my rent and daily cost of living were cheaper when I lived in Ecuador, and I had a better standard of living compared to the Philippines. I was only in the Phils for a couple of months so perhaps I need to stay longer in order to lock in a lower lease, etc. But still, things like electricity and other utilities are a rip off in the Philippines.

Another thing about people speaking English, I read this a lot on this board and others as well and I have to say that this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my life! The vast majority of people in the Philippines DO NOT speak English well, and the dirt poor filipinos barely speak it at all. I don't understand the guys that say filipinas speak great English, unless they are dating upper class girls, then that is true but that is a very small minority of the women in the Philippines. And the bar girls, please, most of them speak terrible English! If you decide to live there I think you must learn Tagalog.

Regarding expatriation, I'm with you about Central America, and even Mexico is starting to look good.

[QUOTE=Ezinho]Another thing about people speaking English, I read this a lot on this board and others as well and I have to say that this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my life! The vast majority of people in the Philippines DO NOT speak English well, and the dirt poor filipinos barely speak it at all. I don't understand the guys that say filipinas speak great English, unless they are dating upper class girls, then that is true but that is a very small minority of the women in the Philippines. And the bar girls, please, most of them speak terrible English! If you decide to live there I think you must learn Tagalog.[/QUOTE]I guess some of the other posters will chirp up to indicate disagreement with your comments. I have no problem with the quality or level of English spoken there. Never had a problem.

[QUOTE=Devils 1]Lots of questions recently about cheap flights to Manila. I got this email today. Notice they only fly from Los Angeles, San Fran, Las Vegas and Vancouver. I am sure there are a bunch of rules, but best to go to there website to check it out.

Los Angeles or San Francisco
TO
Davao/ Cebu/ Bacolod/ Iloilo/ Kalibo/
Puerto Princesa/Legaspi/ Tacloban/ Tagbilaran/ Dumaguete
(VIA Manila)

Free Stopover in Manila on the return journey

For as low asUS$938*[/QUOTE]Airline? Source? Never mind I have access to a travel agent search engine.

Have a nice day.

[QUOTE=Ezinho]<snip>

Another thing about people speaking English, I read this a lot on this board and others as well and I have to say that this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my life! The vast majority of people in the Philippines DO NOT speak English well, and the dirt poor filipinos barely speak it at all. I don't understand the guys that say filipinas speak great English, unless they are dating upper class girls, then that is true but that is a very small minority of the women in the Philippines. And the bar girls, please, most of them speak terrible English! If you decide to live there I think you must learn Tagalog.

Regarding expatriation, I'm with you about Central America, and even Mexico is starting to look good.[/QUOTE]Yeah I would guesstimate about 50% of the women I meet on chat are so lacking in proficient English it becomes a chore to talk to them.

When you add up the visa renewal costs this is a significant expense in living there.

The phil. gov. also imposes heavy ticket taxes on airline prices. Business startup costs are high there even if you can manage to keep control of what will almost always be a Filipino owned biz.

It is not a very welcoming Country. Short time and long time costs are high for such a place, considering the wage rates there; even in Angeles, when you take into account all the ancilliary costs associated with buying p**sy, it is no bargain, imo.

But u cannot deny the filipina woman usually have a very welcoming attitude even if they do have alterior motives. Contrast this to thai women who are much more independent and not as eager.

Interesting what you say about Ecuador. Aren't they on the American dollar?
Can't remember what their women look like, are they of Indian ancestry for the most part?

I just checked airfares to Guatemala city, about $400 less than to Cebu/Mnl
Far as I can remember I think their visa fees are not as oppressive either.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]HIV in PH is nearly zero,[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_Philippines[/url]
PI has a large population of intravenous drug users and Gay groups who are highly susceptible to HIV infection. Not to the mention the number of westerners who frequent the place and like to ride bareback with various women. Also Filipino guys are known for their lack of condom use. It is like Kryptonite to them LOL. I would think HIV is much higher in PI then the government is letting on. That is the Philippine’s way though ignore a problem and act as if it doesn’t exist. BL I would like to see where you get your facts or is this all just speculation?

[QUOTE=wikipedia]
Philippines sits on HIV time bomb
Some sources suspect that the Philippine government has concealed the extent of the HIV/AIDS problem.[3][edit] References[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gangles]St Luke's Hospital has been recommended to me. I have used it once, and I have been impressed with the place, although I do not know of its reputation re vasectomies.[/QUOTE]
Asian hospital in Muntinlupa is pretty good.
[url]http://www.asianhospital.com/[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Hospital_and_Medical_Center[/url]
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Your post is quite negative but I think you make some really good points. You're right that the Phils isn't that cheap, considering it's essentially a fourth world country. For example, my rent and daily cost of living were cheaper when I lived in Ecuador, and I had a better standard of living compared to the Philippines. I was only in the Phils for a couple of months so perhaps I need to stay longer in order to lock in a lower lease, etc. But still, things like electricity and other utilities are a rip off in the Philippines. .[/QUOTE]
Yes the Philippines is expensive for a poverty stricken country but so is Afghanistan LOL. The electricity is ridiculous. I read in a magazine that PI power cost were second in Asia only to Japan. Hotels are way over priced, food etc. I usually spend about $350 on food alone and my household is a family of 2 but I do eat western style dishes steak, fish on the regular etc. Eating out is a multi-weekly thing. If I had to stay out here and try rub pennies togather I would take my ass home. It’s not worth it just for ass. Well not for me.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]
Another thing about people speaking English, I read this a lot on this board and others as well and I have to say that this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my life! The vast majority of people in the Philippines DO NOT speak English well, and the dirt poor Filipinos barely speak it at all. I don't understand the guys that say Filipinas speak great English, unless they are dating upper class girls, then that is true but that is a very small minority of the women in the Philippines. And the bar girls, please, most of them speak terrible English! If you decide to live there I think you must learn Tagalog.

Regarding expatriation, I'm with you about Central America, and even Mexico is starting to look good.[/QUOTE]

It would help to learn Tagalog but it is not required my Tagalog is very limited and I get along fine. One thing you do need to live out here what I have yet to see mentioned… is a local you can trust. I am not talking about that uneducated fuck toy from Burgos or EDSA but somebody you can really trust that has their head on straight. You will find yourself in jams or find people trying to rip you off. If you know no one here who is going to try to protect your wallet and you then you will find the place undesirable. Now finding a local with a straight head is the challenge. Most locals I have came across from the bar girls shaking ass in the club to the college educated ones with good jobs have been "out there" mentally.

[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone] It is not that cheap, you give up all your rights and the women, except for the hookers and scammers are not that easy.

About the only advantage I see is that most speak at least Pigin English, so that learning a foreign language is not that an immediate concern. Has anyone here actually married a woman there they met online? I find.[/QUOTE]

Girls are not that easy? Maybe not easy, but very attainable after only a couple of meetings. Where else can an average looking 40 year old guy like me have an endless supply of educated, attractive ladies in there early 20's.?

As far as them English speaking part, I have been there 4 times now, and I have not met one person I could no communicate with. I did not know one word of Tagalog.

I have had sex with a total of about 15 girls on my trips. I never mentioned to them that I had had a vasectomy. Only 1 requested that I wear a condom. Of the 14 non- condom recipients, only 2 emailed me later that they were afraid that they where pregnant because they had not started their period. (the were just nervous). No one of them tried to scam me after the fact and I still chat with most of them.
Only been with 2 p4p girs. One wanted the condom, the other I requested it.

Personally I don't think I would want to move there for ever, but I would be very happy if I could afford to work 6 months and vacation 6 months of the year in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Warbucks][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_Philippines[/url]
PI has a large population of intravenous drug users and Gay groups who are highly susceptible to HIV infection. Not to the mention the number of westerners who frequent the place and like to ride bareback with various women. Also Filipino guys are known for their lack of condom use. It is like Kryptonite to them LOL. I would think HIV is much higher in PI then the government is letting on. That is the Philippine’s way though ignore a problem and act as if it doesn’t exist. BL I would like to see where you get your facts or is this all just speculation?



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Its all upside down in India and some of the scared faces of would be mongers, who were amazed that i even go to bar girls even with a condom with all the scary stats around.

They have made India a hotspot for other nations to learn, they said India has the highest number of HIV infected people after African continent and they put the figure as 40 million, thats half the population of PH.

They love to scare the people, Indians are very very scared of HIV, folks, used to come and ask me all sort of questions like does kissing spread HIV, does eating on the same utensils spread HIV...they were just amazed how i could go to dance bars and not get scared of HIV.

They have created an environment of scare, that i really felt im the only one taking girls upstairs most of the time back in India....I'm not lying...Just check my post in Indian thread..

I'm not bragging but i have the highest number of post in Indian thread posting bar reviews and i have been doing this since last 12 years going to bars.

They have made millions and millions of dollars scaring people away, they are doing the same in the PH.

USAID is the main culprit here, its a very dangerous organisation, I have worked with these folks indirectly, do not trust them, never donate your blood to any organisation, never take swine flu shots.

Its not the HIV that is the main problem, the real agenda of these folks is really horrible.

People get scared by swine flu, people are not aware why there is fluoride in the toothpaste. Why babies are given more than 10 shots before the age of 5 yet has to face the threat of new diseases all his life.

These things are all connected, HIV is a very small thing for these folks to achieve their agenda. We need to connect all dots and go to the deep to be truly free. HIV will never scare me ever, i have gone through enough back in India.. i have suffered in the name of HIV scare.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]

They have made millions and millions of dollars scaring people away, they are doing the same in the PH.[/QUOTE]How have they made millions by detering tourism?

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]never take swine flu shots.[/QUOTE]Why not?

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Its not the HIV that is the main problem, the real agenda of these folks is really horrible.[/QUOTE]What is their real agenda?

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] HIV will never scare me ever.[/QUOTE]It does not scare me either, but the reality of it does alter behavior. No?

I mean before 1988, I never wore a condom. Unfortunately today I do, whenever I go out and play in the p4p world. Don't you?

[QUOTE=Warbucks][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_Philippines[/url]
PI has a large population of intravenous drug users and Gay groups who are highly susceptible to HIV infection. Not to the mention the number of westerners who frequent the place and like to ride bareback with various women. Also Filipino guys are known for their lack of condom use. It is like Kryptonite to them LOL. I would think HIV is much higher in PI then the government is letting on. That is the Philippine’s way though ignore a problem and act as if it doesn’t exist. BL I would like to see where you get your facts or is this all just speculation?
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With the Philippines being made up of over 7,000 islands and their reputation for poor public services and record keeping any statistics on HIV are likely to be grossly under reported. Impoverished Filipinos out in the provinces are unlikely to spend their few pesos on medical attention and a lot of AIDS cases probably go undiagnosed. When the amount of bar girls and freelancers getting barebacked and then returning infected to their villages is taken into account it becomes quite obvious that the true numbers are much larger than what the government has reported. The government has reasons for under reporting the number of AIDS cases. The Philippines depends heavily on their citizens being able to work overseas as a source of revenue via remittances. Reporting a high incidence of AIDS in PI would scare away foreign employers. The deep involvement of the Catholic Church in PI politics is another reason why the government may want to pretend that the whole AIDS epidemic and the need for the use of condoms do not exist.

tried out most of the bars on burgos street.

i brought 3 girls from jools back to the hotel one night after jools had closed. we went to jolibee beforehand. i didnt think sex would happen as i had not bought them enough drinks to be released (10 drinks in jools i think to release the girl). but one of them wanted to see my room, and the others joined in. wasnt so sure what was happening but they were all lying on my bed sleeping so i decided to go asleep too. one of them got horny and started trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] me at that stage, the others joined in. it was pitch dark in my room which was funny as hell. all i kept hearing was 'im waiting baby, leave her alone' and stuff like that. really funny girls.

another nigth i brought back a 22 year old milf with a thick body from pussycats. she was a gro there. she was dd at least on the rack. amazing session with her.

then la cafe. my favourite bar in the world right now. me and my colleague went to la cafe about 15 times in 3 weeks. i honestly think the waitress thought we were alcoholics. bottle of vodka and jd everynight without fail between 2 of us. got to know many of the girls there. my favourite being a girl who hangs about upstairs, looks like a chinese. her body was incredible. so small, cute. just a little fuck toy.

one of the waitress upstairs took a big shine to me. one of the other waitresses told me she was really jealous one night so i persued to see what was going on. anyways this waitress is really shy. working in lacafe for 2 weks only. i got her to come to tgi fridays after 2 nights talking to her. i worked hard to make it look like i am not a complete animal. luckily she never saw me going with girls previously. no sex happened, have a feeling she's a virgin. i'm still chatting to her, getting to know her. it could be the one, but probably not :)

didnt get a chance to visit edsa yet, have to check it out next.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]The deep involvement of the Catholic Church in PI politics is another reason why the government may want to pretend that the whole AIDS epidemic and the need for the use of condoms do not exist.[/QUOTE]The Church has a huge amount to answer for

1. It denies its "flock" the chance to learn about birth control thereby ensuring the population ever increases.

2. It denies its people the means to stop HIV by not actively discouraging condom useage at the pulpit.

3. Its a huge landowner and yet claims povery at every step.

4. Every Presidential candidate needs its endorsement.

Remove the influence of the Church and the country would stand a chance!

Yeah never talk about politics and religion I know. But every time I visit Phils I feel so sorry that the people are gettting screwed by the Church.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]
I mean before 1988, I never wore a condom. Unfortunately today I do, whenever I go out and play in the p4p world. Don't you?[/QUOTE]

They were the glory days. Remember my cherry trip to LOS in about ’85. Like a kid in a candy factory, I must have screwed 20 different girls in about 2 weeks and not a condom in sight (don’t think that I even packed any!). When I got home I thought it prudent to go for STD checks which were all clear although I did get a solid bollocking from the dick doctor for my stupid behaviour.

Same applied to my first trip to the Philippines in ’87.

Ah..how things has changed. I actually remember the last time that I had uncovered penetrative sex with a provider. It was in 1990 and was with a cute bf from the Silver Dollar in Cebu.

I read with astonishment and amazement of those mongers who still regularly go bareback with sex workers in SE Asia (or anywhere else in the world). It is not my place to censure them but they sure are braver souls than me. I know our hobby is a risk sport but so is free fall parachuting but I wouldn’t jump out of a fucking plane without a parachute:).

The parachute analogy is not a good one. Jump out of a plane without a parachute, die immediately (unless you are still on the tarmac of course). Fuck a hooker bareback, might die at some later date, or nothing might happen. Also there are not a lot of religious fucks and pharmaceutical company fucks and various other fucks with a vested interest in telling you not to jump out of a plane without a parachute.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]They were the glory days. Remember my cherry trip to LOS in about '85. Like a kid in a candy factory, I must have screwed 20 different girls in about 2 weeks and not a condom in sight (don't think that I even packed any!). When I got home I thought it prudent to go for STD checks which were all clear although I did get a solid bollocking from the dick doctor for my stupid behaviour.[/QUOTE]Yeah think we've all been there. Used to live in Saudi in 1985 and would often get to BKK for uncovered weekend jollies, with barely a thought for protection.

And yes I have also recalled barfining from Silver Dollar but that was definately a moment to "cover up "

In about 1990 had my Angeles cherry trip. Was very worried when I got back and took the various tests. Hate that waiting for the "results envelope".

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]How have they made millions by detering tourism?

Why not?

What is their real agenda?

It does not scare me either, but the reality of it does alter behavior. No?

I mean before 1988, I never wore a condom. Unfortunately today I do, whenever I go out and play in the p4p world. Don't you?[/QUOTE]

We have to understand how UDAID and greepeace and other NGO's work, I have worked with the above NGO's ( non government organisation) in India when i left college.

Their whole eco-system depends upon numbers, they won't exist, if numbers are low, they need to create a panic, a shock therapy to the region they go in.

They have to show number's to get aid from US government, bill and melinda, WHO and UN. Many of the NGO's in India were closed a couple of years back, when the story broke out how these NGO's cooked the numbers and got millions of dollars in aid for HIV prevention.

On top that, they do little work to even address the problem. I'm from a third world country, i have worked with these NGO's directly and indirectly, Im from India, which these folks says has the highest number of HIV cases outside africa.

and i have visited most bars in Mumbai than any other folks in ISG and my post confirms it, not to brag at all, but to point out that, i have to take this to the heart and point out the cheats that promote HIV scare to get more funding.

Here, many folks are relying on media which we know is biased and controlled by corporation...im the ground guy, got ground information on how these NGO's work. For years, these guys were boxed that Filipinos do not use condom often and yet they have low HIV infection than other countries combined with truck load of immigrants that come and go out of high infected areas.

They are running out of options in India and they could not find a better corrupt government than PH one, they pick and choose the place, only third world with more corruption so that they can thrive on it.

They are not concerned about how it might impact tourism, not at all, they are global, they dont care about a specific place.

We need to understand that.... they are money mongers :), they sniff from place to place and dump there scary shit and take money. They will care less if tommarrow pH is sunk into the ocean... all they want is money and what better way to get more donation than in the name of HIV.

It just fumbles me that suddenly out of no where, these news reports are coming that HIV is high in PH, exactly what they did 12 years ago in India, people were stoned to death in India by falsifying some folks that they have HIV, it was that scary back then.

The reality is HIV was created in the lab, that is the reason some people in different regions get more infected than others. Else, how would anyone explain the Filipino HIV paradox..

Remember swine flu few months back, how they scared the whole world and forced the people to take shots and made millions, why isn't everyone linking that incident to HIV scare tactics.

Their real agenda is vast and complex to control the whole of humanity, its on the borderline of lunacy if i write it here :) We have to connect the dots and be brave.

It is dumping down of humanity, do not take swine flu shots, it contains elements which stops pineal gland expansion.

HIV is a tiny tiny little thing they use to control humanity, people still think here that feminism and womens rights were created by females of the earth ..hehehe..oops hohoho :) if only they see who is behind this game...

They have no idea who is behind flouridisation of our toothpaste, feminist movement, greenpeace, red cross, UN etc

I use condom for protection from many things, HIV is one of them cos they created it, but i don't fear it as they want me to.

PH is the best place to have sex right now without the scare of HIV, may be in 5 years it may not be when the Filipino genes gives away from the lab created virus.

Being a monger in this disease infected world is not an easy thing, but the right info takes us a long way to have blissful sexual experience.

Use protection for HIV and unwanted pregnancy etc...but please do not stop coming to the Ph or visit the bars girls...

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
The reality is HIV was created in the lab, that is the reason some people in different regions get more infected than others. Else, how would anyone explain the Filipino HIV paradox..
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Mmmm …its an interesting world you live in BL. Keep taking the tablets;).

I actually thought that the theory was that HIV jumped from monkeys to humans. I remember seeing a sketch in a Ricky Gervais stand-up show, theorizing how this might have happened. It was hilarious.

There are too many negative posts in this thread.

I guess if you don't like the place, then flick off. But don't bust it like you do.

I hav just had two weeks living in the boonies, and I mean the boonies. Rural, subsistence farming.

Everybody I met there spoke English, except two or three.

I spoke to entire schools of kids, and al spoke English. store keepers, fishermen, farmers.

All spoke English.

As for filipinas, I generally stay away from P4P, except as a backup. I have a number of reguklar gf. None have asked for money. All would marry me in an instant. It did not take lots of effort before we were intimate. In fact, in every case I can remember, it was the woman who stripped off and was ready to go.

Howevr, I am interested in more mature women, late 20's, to mid 30's, who know what they want, and go for it.

I am not in to convincing a 19 year old that it is in her best interest to jump into the pit with me. But again, with the few younger ones that I have been involved with, there was never a need to wine and dine them first. I just assumed that they would sleep with me, and they did. With one very memorable exception, a super sticky sweet virgin in Cebu. But that is another story.

G

I fly a reasonable amount to Philippines and one aspect that I continue to see is that as soon as Filipinos get in their airline seat, stow their baggage etc. They put their shades on.

Doesn't matter if young, old, male female, if window shades up or down. They all sit there with shades on. Looks quite strange butt maybe thats just my way of thinking LOL

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Mmmm …its an interesting world you live in BL. Keep taking the tablets;).

I actually thought that the theory was that HIV jumped from monkeys to humans. I remember seeing a sketch in a Ricky Gervais stand-up show, theorizing how this might have happened. It was hilarious.[/QUOTE]

:) Its a matter of convenience for the government to say HIV jumped from monkeys to man just like swine flu jumped from pigs to man.

Which is infact true but how did monkey got that virus in the first place and most of all, why aren't all monkeys in Africa dead by now ? monkeys never wear condoms, monkeys are not dying of AIDS left and right, but the government theory would have you believe that, after transferring men the virus, they somehow got the immune system strengthened.

Monkeys are not in the brink of extinction like polar bear, why aren't all the monkeys were killed in Africa just like they proposed and did in many cases to cull millions of pigs in mexico? Whole villages and small towns in Africa died of AIDS yet monkeys somehow are still roaming free in Africa.

This site is a must read for all mongers to see through the veil of government lies.

[url]http://vigilantcitizen.com/[/url]

Talking of conspiracy here a pic that sums it up :)

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]The Church has a huge amount to answer for

1. It denies its "flock" the chance to learn about birth control thereby ensuring the population ever increases.

2. It denies its people the means to stop HIV by not actively discouraging condom useage at the pulpit.

3. Its a huge landowner and yet claims povery at every step.

4. Every Presidential candidate needs its endorsement.

Remove the influence of the Church and the country would stand a chance!

Yeah never talk about politics and religion I know. But every time I visit Phils I feel so sorry that the people are gettting screwed by the Church.[/QUOTE]Excellent post FF.

and let's not forget that through its constant solicitation of contributions, it also bleeds poor people even drier. however, with all of the sins of the church rectified tomorrow, the legion of problems besetting this failed country would barely be alleviated.

unless and until there's a viable alternative to the thinly-disguised feudal system that systematically [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] the country, and unless and until the massive and pervasive corruption that characterizes governments at all levels somehow dissipates, the place will remain hopeless, with or without the church. this is a place ruled by political dynasties, a place with little or no rule of law, and a place where the ruling clans do what they please with impunity. at the national level, things ain't gonna get any better very soon.

as i think i've said multiple times already, the only way to maintain a satisfying lifestyle here is to take the view that you're not ever going to change anything, and that despite the massive problems, it's possible to have a very nice life at a cost well below that of the west.

ge

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
Which is infact true but how did monkey got that virus in the first place and most of all, why aren't all monkeys in Africa dead by now ? [/QUOTE]

But there is a monkey form of HIV. It is called Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV) and is much older than HIV. One theory (there are many) is that the virus made the species jump via the butchering and consumption of monkey meat in West Africa. Another theory is that the virus was the result of live polio vaccine trials held in the late 50’s. The vaccine was first cultivated in living tissue which were liver cells taken from chimps infected with SIV. Of course it could have been Ricky Gervais’s scenario of a man getting too familiar with his pet chimp.

And then we have the conspiracy theories …….:eek:

The big problems in The Philippines are the three C’s, namely Church, Corruption and Cronyism. All 3 deeply pervade the Pinoy psyche and affect their lives on a day to day basis. All three are in place to ensure that the average Filipino remains a poor, malleable and docile cypher to the will of the ruling class and make no mistake that there is a well defined ruling class in the country. This is the feudal system referred to by GE.

The systematic practice of nepotism ensures that all the important jobs (particularly in government) go to those with the right sort of connections. There is no meritocracy here. It is not what you know but who you know that is the important thing. The ultimate form of corruption it also ensures that often inferior minds end up in the top jobs which adds further to the cycle of degeneration.

For this reason it is important for a foreigner (particularly those wishing to run a business) to make as many acquaintances and connections, amongst the business and local government communities, as possible. These are often invaluable aids in smoothing the wheels of bureaucracy and opening doors. My own minor connections have been very useful to me in the past but oddly enough, it is my teenage son who has the really powerful contacts. Through his education at a top Manila school he has many close friends amongst the elite. His best friend has a surname that most long term Philippine expat residents would immediately recognize and another friend is a member of the top acting dynasties in the country. He tells me that when he goes clubbing with his mates to The Fort, they usually get VIP passes. He also jokes that if I upset him he could probably get me thrown out of the country which isn’t so funny as, knowing the way things work here, it is quite possibly true!

The sad truth of the Philippines is that most of the population are poor and will always be poor and this is exactly the way that the powers-that-be want it to remain.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]
The sad truth of the Philippines is that most of the population are poor and will always be poor and this is exactly the way that the powers-that-be want it to remain.[/QUOTE]
Well, not only the powers that be. There are also many others who like to make sure that Filipinas have no other choice but to take it once in the pussy and twice in the ass after choking on some nuts.

Catholicism exists in many countries and it doesn't mean the country is poor. Although I agree that the birth and other policies of the Catholic church contribute to hardships in the country, I find it hard to accept that the Catholic church wants the average Filipino to "remain poor".

I mostly agree with everything else that you've written.

X

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]

All three are in place to ensure that the average Filipino remains a poor, malleable and docile cypher to the will of the ruling class and make no mistake that there is a well defined ruling class in the country. This is the feudal system referred to by GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Catholicism exists in many countries and it doesn't mean the country is poor. Although I agree that the birth and other policies of the Catholic church contribute to hardships in the country, I find it hard to accept that the Catholic church wants the average Filipino to "remain poor".

X[/QUOTE]X,

Not to be argumentative. But it is much easier to control/influence a population when the majority of its people are poor. Its the poor who have to turn to the church and beliefs for relief. The more affluent a population becomes the less dependent they are upon the church. Along with making the church more accountable for its actions.

Its only in the wealther countries where the church has been taken to task for its priest being pedaphiles, the issue of gay rights, Priest allowed to marry. You have not heard of any of these issues in the poorer predominate catholic countries like PI, Mexico. Why do you think that is.

Maybe its just the churches policies in already economically depressed society which help to keep them down. Such as the advocation of "no birth control" which only leads to over population, which in turn, makes it harder for a country to prosper.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865] But it is much easier to control/influence a population when the majority of its people are poor. Its the poor who have to turn to the church and beliefs for relief. The more affluent a population becomes the less dependent they are upon the church. Along with making the church more accountable for its actions.
[/QUOTE]

Couldn’t have put it better myself! If The Philippines were a wealthier country, the invidious, reactionary influences of the Church would be tangentially lessened. So in order to maintain its power base, the Catholic Church here benefits from and have a vested interest in maintaining the poverty of the people and their anti-birth control policies serve nicely as a tool for ensuring that. A wild over-simplification maybe, and obviously not stated policy but it is a fact that the Church remains the most powerful non-governmental institute in this country and wishes to remain so, whereas in wealthier Catholic countries the influence of the church has declined markedly and it has very little political clout.

There is a very high positive correlation between the level of influence of the Catholic Church and the level of poverty in a country. The more Catholic, the more poor. Check it out for yourselves. Nominally Catholic countries such as Spain, Italy, and Argentina have relatively less poverty and relatively lower birth rates whereas countries with higher rates of church attendance such as Mexico, The Philippines, and Peru have higher poverty rates, by far.

Go to the main cathedral in Bogota and ponder the juxtaposition of all the gold inside the church and all the beggars outside of it. That will give a very clear picture.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]So in order to maintain its power base, the Catholic Church here benefits from and have a vested interest in maintaining the poverty of the people and their anti-birth control policies serve nicely as a tool for ensuring that. it is a fact that the Church remains the most powerful non-governmental institute in this country and wishes to remain so, whereas in wealthier Catholic countries the influence of the church has declined markedly and it has very little political clout.[/QUOTE]

I've heard a few outspoken Philippine Catholics point out that, despite the Church's prohibition on contraception, wealthy Philippine Catholics have two or three children per couple, while poor Filipinos end up with six or eight. Obviously the well-to-do know something that the poor do not. I suspect that something is women's literacy and educational attainment. Educated women know you don't get pregnant from eating watermelon seeds, and they also figure out how to make compromises with strict Catholic doctrine. On the other hand, lack of education and subservience to Church doctrine also fuel the market of sexually attractive young Pinays who market their wares to mongering Westerners.

Interestingly, on more than one occasion I've had a Saturday night long-timer ask to leave to go to early mass -- with promises to return. I hadn't paid yet, and pointed this out. No problem. They went and returned and threw me a morning waker-upper pop. In one instance I went with the girl to the Malate Church, fondled her during the 4 am mass and in the return Jeepney ride, and then jumped back aboard the more than willing lass as soon as we were back in the hotel room.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost]I've heard a few outspoken Philippine Catholics point out that, despite the Church's prohibition on contraception, wealthy Philippine Catholics have two or three children per couple, while poor Filipinos end up with six or eight. Obviously the well-to-do know something that the poor do not.[/QUOTE]

Could it be the fact that by the time the expensive wife is having her 3rd kid, the devoted hubby has begun shagging many of those sexy, young, poor girls?

After divorcing my wife, I have decided that it is much better to chase after the 18 to 25 year old girls, rather than the old hens my own age. The young ones are more willing to give up the pussy without bitching at you to do household chores!

Enough debate about politics and religion. Isn't the point of this board to discuss pussy? ;)

Enjoy the chase (and even more the catch)!
HW

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]But there is a monkey form of HIV. It is called Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV) and is much older than HIV. One theory (there are many) is that the virus made the species jump via the butchering and consumption of monkey meat in West Africa. Another theory is that the virus was the result of live polio vaccine trials held in the late 50’s. The vaccine was first cultivated in living tissue which were liver cells taken from chimps infected with SIV. Of course it could have been Ricky Gervais’s scenario of a man getting too familiar with his pet chimp.

And then we have the conspiracy theories …….:eek:[/QUOTE]


Don't be surprised before 2012 the government comes up with a full proof cure for HIV and would tell everyone in the world to take the shot like polio etc. lets settle it that way if its a conspiracy or a government fact :)

[QUOTE=Skip Kost]o the Malate Church, fondled her during the 4 am mass and in the return Jeepney ride, and then jumped back aboard the more than willing lass as soon as we were back in the hotel room.[/QUOTE]Did you just write 4AM mass as in Catholic church mass? Pardon my ignorance but I'm wondering why would a church do a such an early even when people are suppose to be in bed snoozing away.

[QUOTE=Nolz7]Did you just write 4AM mass as in Catholic church mass? Pardon my ignorance but I'm wondering why would a church do a such an early even when people are suppose to be in bed snoozing away.[/QUOTE]

Its the "Mass for Runners"

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]The big problems in The Philippines are the three C's, namely Church, Corruption and Cronyism. All 3 deeply pervade the Pinoy psyche and affect their lives on a day to day basis [. ][/QUOTE]Corruption is rooted so deeply in this country that even the institutions of the church are corrupt. Their political important endorsement is up for sale as well, explaining their astonishing swings of opinion when taking sides during the times of uprising over the last decades. Only in the Philippines you can bribe an association of nuns. And even more amazingly it will make a difference with the masses in the streets when those corrupt nuns declare their public support for whatever.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt][. ] It is not what you know but who you know that is the important thing. The ultimate form of corruption it also ensures that often inferior minds end up in the top jobs which adds further to the cycle of degeneration. [. ] He also jokes that if I upset him he could probably get me thrown out of the country which isn't so funny as, knowing the way things work here, it is quite possibly true! [. ][/QUOTE]Things like the latter are very well possible, although last time I witnessed something alike was during the time of the late strongman, when power was still true power. You don't have to believe a word of a random guy on the net, however in case you want to hear it. I'm deeply entrenched in the most upscale elite circles of the Philippines since more than 25 years, capitalizing on it businesswise since about 12. While cronyism and connections are indeed indispensable for business success there is a deep misunderstanding about the process not only among foreigners but among a lot of the locals as well. Knowing "the man" is one part, but even in the Philippines for a successful project at some point somebody has to do some actual work, and that's where it is usually severely lacking. I can recall odysseys that started sitting together with a Cabinet Member, him bullishly calling an important Senator who will enthusiastically take care of the stubborn Mayor. And there it goes in circles and leads nowhere. The amount of incompetence of many politicians and business elite heirs to do anything beyond a phone call even (and especially) in their own areas of influence is indeed mind-boggling. There are only a few great exceptions.

The layer of Filipino "connection parasites" or "commissioners" below that is even worse. The people that bring you to people that is. Many of them carry the names of influential families themselves but have neither power nor funds of their own (these are vast families after all) and believe merely arranging a meeting with the guy that is supposed to be in charge entitles them to a 15% kickback like the big shots. The belief of getting rich with a single phone call (or a few at most) is widespread and people wonder why it hasn't worked out so far despite them "knowing someone" or multiple someones.

And at last people grossly overestimate their own capabilities and influence on decision makers. Yep, even if it's true that this Senator owes his election to that Filipino and has been his personal best friend ever since, he may still not be following that guy's persuasions. When you find out you usually have already wasted a lot of time, maybe worse. You'll only know what your connections are worth once you call them in.

And then sometimes it miraculously just works. That's life over there.

[QUOTE=Nolz7]Did you just write 4AM mass as in Catholic church mass? Pardon my ignorance but I'm wondering why would a church do a such an early even when people are suppose to be in bed snoozing away.[/QUOTE]


In other places it is even 3am mass. It is a tradition when Christmas is nearning (Cultural). It is called "Simbang Gabi". Some people have this notion that if they go to Mass it is good luck, or there wish would come true.

[QUOTE=Nolz7]Did you just write 4AM mass as in Catholic church mass? Pardon my ignorance but I'm wondering why would a church do a such an early even when people are suppose to be in bed snoozing away.[/QUOTE]

My GF (if you call a 19 year old you fuck silly a GF) does it and if she misses a day she is scared as all hell. As posted if they hit every mass then they are supposed to have good luck and her Christmas Wish will come true. She's done this every year that she can remember.

What sucks is when she leaves my bed to go to this fucking mass. She atleast is well trained enough to drain me once before going and after returning. But like typical Filipina style she is in fear of the church but has no issue on going without condom and is very into bondage and open for bisexuality... anything to keep a "man" so go figure.

Philippines is a strange place to try to figure out atleast for me.

Some very good points made about the Catholic church.

I would think that rising incomes, to a certain extent, would in fact be a blessing for the church -- more donations. In fact, I would not be surprised if much of the money going to the Vatican is coming from the developed world.

X

[QUOTE=X Man]In fact, I would not be surprised if much of the money going to the Vatican is coming from the developed world. [/QUOTE]

Developed or underdeveloped?

My work takes me to many poor and crime infested areas but there is one constant... the Temples, mosques, or Churches (depending on the location) sure as shit got cash. Even in my home country the one with the biggest power is the religion not the govt (but it's not catholic). I see more funds flowing freely to religion in poor countries then I do see in developed ares but yes I spend most my time in under developed countries.

The poor seem to think of religion as eternal salvation, life insurance, a type of betting (paying / praying / donating for better lives etc...).

Am getting a lot of requests from my little chat mates for "what is my Christmas gift?". My response that "i can't offer anything now, but when I see you I will bring you something nice" doesn't go over well. A couple of girls have logged off right after I say that lol. You know, its always I am hungry now...I can't think of later.

Actually I wouldn't mind throwing some girls $5 or so for their chat time, but I am not going to spend the dough for a Western Union for that. Yahoo really should work out some micro payments thing.

One thing I can do is use Chikka and send some load to their cell phone.

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What is the law in the Philippines on having sex with someone under 18 years of age? Is it illegal for a foreigner? What is the minimum age? I have a girl I know from a web site and just thinking that if I go see her and something might happen. I am myself in my 30s and very careful in these matters.

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[QUOTE=Pekkakoo]What is the law in the Philippines on having sex with someone under 18 years of age? Is it illegal for a foreigner? What is the minimum age? I have a girl I know from a web site and just thinking that if I go see her and something might happen. I am myself in my 30s and very careful in these matters.[/QUOTE]There is no way you should contemplate engaging in any form of sexual activity with anyone under the age of 18. Prisons in the Philippines are not nice places and thats where you might conceivably be heading. Don't be foolish , there wont be friendly faces digging you out of holes you create for yourself so dont go there.

I've been living in PI (MNL) for only a few months now, so still on a steep learning curve...therefore I could use a few expert minds to answer a couple of questions:

Situational Question
Was bar hopping on Burgos the other nite with a couple mates and ended up in Dimples. As soon as I walk in, I spot a lovely lass dancing, who also spots me. Eyes meet, smiles... before I know it she is at my side. I buy her a few drinks, we chat, she's a total sweetie, and is very, very friendly. Lots of making out, fondling, whispering of sweet nothings, etc. At one point she excuses herself to go to the loo, and when she comes back she stuffs a crumpled bit of tissue in my hand, and whispers, 'don't tell mama-san, not allowed'. It's her phone number. So later, after I go home (alone), I give a little 'nice to meet u. u are sweet, I want 2 c u again' text. Since then, many texts back and forth, with her texting me every day, telling me 'i really want to make luv to u, u are so nice guy, pls can i c u on thurs my day off'. So, we have a plan for her to come over to my place on thurs. Now, here's the question: Given the above... do I pay her, and if so how much? I know she's saving me a big bar fine, so I have no problem paying her (also it's just before x-mas and extra money would definitely be useful for these gals), but not exactly sure if she is expecting to be paid. I was thinking of discreetly putting 2000 or 3000p in her bag and telling her that it's to buy a few presents for her family. Any thoughts?

Lexical Question
She's very direct in her texts and a few times she has said she's very horny coz she hasnt had sex in two weeks. She also said, 'i like hard fucking, are u a hard fucker?' So, my question: Does that mean simply and generically, 'I hope you will give me a good pounding', or is 'hard fucker' some kind of filipina code for something more specific?

Thanks lads!

Mantaray

[QUOTE=Manta Ray]I've been living in PI (MNL) for only a few months now, so still on a steep learning curve...therefore I could use a few expert minds to answer a couple of questions:

Situational Question
Was bar hopping on Burgos the other nite with a couple mates and ended up in Dimples. As soon as I walk in, I spot a lovely lass dancing, who also spots me. Eyes meet, smiles... before I know it she is at my side. I buy her a few drinks, we chat, she's a total sweetie, and is very, very friendly. Lots of making out, fondling, whispering of sweet nothings, etc. At one point she excuses herself to go to the loo, and when she comes back she stuffs a crumpled bit of tissue in my hand, and whispers, 'don't tell mama-san, not allowed'. It's her phone number. So later, after I go home (alone), I give a little 'nice to meet u. u are sweet, I want 2 c u again' text. Since then, many texts back and forth, with her texting me every day, telling me 'i really want to make luv to u, u are so nice guy, pls can i c u on thurs my day off'. So, we have a plan for her to come over to my place on thurs. Now, here's the question: Given the above... do I pay her, and if so how much? I know she's saving me a big bar fine, so I have no problem paying her (also it's just before x-mas and extra money would definitely be useful for these gals), but not exactly sure if she is expecting to be paid. I was thinking of discreetly putting 2000 or 3000p in her bag and telling her that it's to buy a few presents for her family. Any thoughts?

Lexical Question
She's very direct in her texts and a few times she has said she's very horny coz she hasnt had sex in two weeks. She also said, 'i like hard fucking, are u a hard fucker?' So, my question: Does that mean simply and generically, 'I hope you will give me a good pounding', or is 'hard fucker' some kind of filipina code for something more specific?

Thanks lads!

Mantaray[/QUOTE]

Manta not a long term expat but coming up on two years. Anyway man working girl or not I always give them money. That money I can spend in one or two nights just on drinks goes a long way. It does nothing to improve their lives in the long run but in the short… things can be bought, visits to doc, meds, and gifts for themselves or relatives that previously maybe wasn't possible.

I recently touched the previously untouched cervix of young Manila office worker. She has a good family a good job etc but I still left her with a small fortune. (More than Her monthly salary) while that money was chump change to me it went a long way with her in more ways than one.


PS: If a bar girl tells you she wants a hard fucking then man that’s exactly what it means. Touch her cervix with reckless abandon.

[QUOTE=Manta Ray]Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

I'm a decent spender and even I think Burgos is terribly expensive IMHO, overpriced and the girls know this. The girls I know try to collect as many "regular customers" as they can to hit up "when horny" or in other terms "when need peso" etc... She wants you as a regular, save you money for not paying bar fine and save you the drink pricing. That's how I view it.

As such many girls give you their numbers and take days off, see you on their days off, see you before / after work, etc... Yes you pay them even if they don't want it or ask for it. Give her 3 - 4 K IMHO but I treat girls nice. Some bars let the girls have off when their "boy friends" come into town if they do not live there without penalty. My regulars I pay more then that but they give me 24 hours around the clock and do a lot for me.

I do have some girls that take nothing more then taxi fare. But it is up to them, the cash is on the table for them to pick up or leave it. Some take for their kids some take for their family and some leave it. Some take it and buy me things :D Others just take the cash as it is a transaction. But they are saving me bar fines and are on call / demand when I want them etc...

COLLECT as many numbers from the pro's as you can as they come in handy... When you can't get a freebie, need an immediate fix at 4 am or such there is nothing better then having some professional's on demand. You never know when your GF will have funeral or family obligations that you can't get to her...

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo]What is the law in the Philippines on having sex with someone under 18 years of age? Is it illegal for a foreigner? What is the minimum age? I have a girl I know from a web site and just thinking that if I go see her and something might happen. I am myself in my 30s and very careful in these matters.[/QUOTE]If you are an American citizen then it doesn't matter what the law is in the other country. The USA LAW regarding sex with persons under 18 extends the entire world. So if you are caught anywhere on this earth with a girl under 18 and are reported to the U. S and return to the states where you can be prosecuted. Period.

But anyway. Even in the Philippines, its against the law for a foreigner to have sex with a women under 18.

sigh....

Hmmm, you have at least three people with over 1000 posts criticizing your style. Maybe you should reflect on what you are writing.

Or maybe you just hate middle-aged ("old") white guys! If you don't like the posts, stop fkg reading them. X

[QUOTE=Warbucks]Are you a racist?

If you don't like my post stop fucking reading them.[/QUOTE]

[quote=pekkakoo]what is the law in the philippines on having sex with someone under 18 years of age? is it illegal for a foreigner? what is the minimum age? i have a girl i know from a web site and just thinking that if i go see her and something might happen. i am myself in my 30s and very careful in these matters.[/quote][blue]=============================================

hi pekkakoo,

the age of consent is irrelevant to you as it is only the age in which they can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with her teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

what you need to focus on is the [u]age of majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

please exercise caution.

thanks,

jackson[/blue]

hi,

should i interpret it that there is no way it could be legal to have sex with a 16 year old even if it is not commercial? of course it is another thing how you define a commercial relationship, if you buy your girl meals someone could think you have paid for sex even if it is not 100% true.

i was just thinking this hypothetically since one girl sent me a message from dia saying that she is really only 16 but she of course had to put an age of at least 18 on dia website to allow her to register.

and in my home country in finland the minimum age is 16 so there it would be no problem for me. i would not be technically breaking any law unless i paid an **** girl.

[quote=admin][blue]=============================================

hi pekkakoo,

the age of consent is irrelevant to you as it is only the age in which they can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with her teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

what you need to focus on is the [u]age of majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

please exercise caution.

thanks,

jackson[/blue][/quote]

[quote=pekkakoo]hi,

should i interpret it that there is no way it could be legal to have sex with a 16 year old even if it is not commercial? of course it is another thing how you define a commercial relationship, if you buy your girl meals someone could think you have paid for sex even if it is not 100% true.

i was just thinking this hypothetically since one girl sent me a message from dia saying that she is really only 16 but she of course had to put an age of at least 18 on dia website to allow her to register.

and in my home country in finland the minimum age is 16 so there it would be no problem for me. i would not be technically breaking any law unless i paid an **** girl.[/quote]
the answer is still don't do it period. article from the philippines star yesterday.

manila, philippines - an american national was found with two 13-year-old girls in his car when he was apprehended after leading police officers on a car chase from sta. mesa, manila to san juan city yesterday morning.

senior police officer 1 paulino laderas, po3 lyndon casauay and po1 raul de claro reportedly observed a black x-trail van (zmy-692) beat the red light at the corner of c.m. recto and legarda streets and almost caused a collision among other cars.

laderas and his men signaled the van to stop, but the driver sped off, triggering a car chase that ended at the corner of corda and cortiver streets in san juan city.

when he was apprehended, glen odom, 48, an american call center manager, failed to produce his driver’s license.

district mobile patrol unit chief superintendent ferdinand quirante said two girls from tondo, manila, not related to odom, were allegedly found inside his vehicle.

the girls told police odom invited them for a ride and promised to give them christmas presents, quirante said.

the girls were sent to the women’s and children’s desk of the manila police district for debriefing.

“the investigation will determine whether the girls were enticed for sexual favors. but definitely there is something sinister with the suspect’s plan against the girls,” quirante said.

odom reportedly opted to remain silent on the accusations against him in the absence of a lawyer. initial charges of reckless driving, driving without a license and violation of the child abuse act were filed against him.

[url]http://www.philstar.com/article.aspx?articleid=535014&publicationsubcategoryid=65[/url]

[quote=pekkakoo]hi,

should i interpret it that there is no way it could be legal to have sex with a 16 year old even if it is not commercial?

and in my home country in finland the minimum age is 16 so there it would be no problem for me. i would not be technically breaking any law unless i paid an **** girl.[/quote]

if you want to see finland again after your visit, stay away from the jail-bait! this isn't the country for that. even if you do have consensual sex with her (16yr old) and her relatives find out about it, they could convince her to report it as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] just to see what falls out of the money tree. steer way clear pekk!

ym

[quote=pekkakoo]hi,

should i interpret it that there is no way it could be legal to have sex with a 16 year old even if it is not commercial? of course it is another thing how you define a commercial relationship, if you buy your girl meals someone could think you have paid for sex even if it is not 100% true.

i was just thinking this hypothetically since one girl sent me a message from dia saying that she is really only 16 but she of course had to put an age of at least 18 on dia website to allow her to register.

and in my home country in finland the minimum age is 16 so there it would be no problem for me. i would not be technically breaking any law unless i paid an **** girl.[/quote]theres this whole grey area of whats known as "compensated dating" that is big in japan and certainly now in hong kong and singapore. it doesn't actually mean being paid for sex, it means being paid for your time (generally an older with a younger girl who might or might not be under 18) which might or might not include sex. now you know why its "grey".

but the laws the law. 18 and over in phils!

[quote=yella man]if you want to see finland again after your visit, stay away from the jail-bait! this isn't the country for that. even if you do have consentual sex with her (16yr old) and her relatives find out about it, they could convince her to report it as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] just to see what falls out of the money tree. steer way clear pekk!

ym[/quote]

i think that the majority of father's who have daughter's around this age...would put an azz whipping on the idiot adult age person who wants to screw their daughter or did so. something wrong in my opinion with a guy who needs to get his rocks off messing with youngsters...more than a screw loose for sure! end up in jail for it and all the bubba's will be doing you!

[QUOTE=Ben2]I think that the majority of father's who have daughter's around this age...would put an azz whipping on the idiot adult age person who wants to screw their daughter or did so. Something wrong in my opinion with a guy who needs to get his rocks off messing with youngsters...more than a screw loose for sure! End up in jail for it and all the Bubba's will be doing you![/QUOTE]

Not so much in the Philippines. Girls aren't valued there the same way they are in western cultures. Fathers and brothers often try to push their daughters and sisters off on foriegners for monetary gain.

YM

[QUOTE=Yella Man]Not so much in the Philippines. Girls aren't valued there the same way they are in western cultures. Fathers and brothers often try to push their daughters and sisters off on foriegners for monetary gain.

YM[/QUOTE]

Interesting....culture.

[QUOTE=Yella Man]Not so much in the Philippines. Girls aren't valued there the same way they are in western cultures. Fathers and brothers often try to push their daughters and sisters off on foriegners for monetary gain.

YM[/QUOTE]

Interesting concept but its very simplistic.

It would be more correct to see their daughters and sisters as an commodity, one of the few commodities that foreigners want and you would offer this commodity to the highest bidder, which would be a foreigner.

Lots of cultures sell off their young girls for a dowry including western cultures in the past, third world countries are just a few centuries behind the first world in this respect.

Its like the old joke a 18 year old girl goes to her parents and says mom and dad I am pregnant. the father is mad who is it I will kill him.
the girl says he will be here in an hour

an hour passes and a RR pulls up the front an older gent gets out goes in the house, they all sit down the rich older guy says to the parents if your daughter has a boy he will get 2 factories, 2 apartment blocks and a full scholorship to the best university, if she has a daughter she will get 2 malls 2 apartment blocks and a full scholorship to the best universities, but if your daughter has a miscarrige.

the father jumps up and cuts him off and says they you will fuck my daughter again.

this has nothing to do with Philippines I would expect the same reaction from a family from a trailer park or the projects that is being courted by someone that has lots of money, they would push her towards them in the US or the UK, its about getting the best price outcome from your only asset.

Wizard

many thanks to t-ktv and wb for your wise counsel regarding my situational and lexical queries.

my dimples gal did come over to my place yesterday afternoon, arriving right on time, and, as promised, extremely horny. within 2 minutes of getting inside my apartment she had me shuffling backward toward my bed--where we stayed for three hours, only allowing ourselves to be interrupted by a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] and snack break, followed by another hour of similarly sweaty coupling. she only left when i had to get myself ready for a christmas party.

as she was getting dressed, i discreetly, but in her view, slipped 3,000 pesos into her bag and told her it was for her to buy christmas presents for her family. she seemed genuinely pleased with that and gave me a warm hug in appreciation.

the bonus came when, as we were saying our goodbyes, she told me that she wants to see me again in january, and asked if she could bring her friend from the bar next time. she said 'don't worry, i'm not jealous girl, you can fuck her too, and i love to lick her pussy when you fuck my pussy.' mmmmm, i'm already looking forward to the new year!

warm wishes for a peaceful and pleasant holiday season to all!

mantaray

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]No need to fly Cebu Pacific, Chris. Tiger Air has a daily flight out of Clark, which is both cheap and reliable. If you wish to travel to/from Manila, Jetstar has a daily service.

Actually, I think CP has improved their website and their international credit card acceptance seems to be much better, The last 2 flight that I booked with them were problem free. Did you enter the full name of the issuing bank and their contact number. I think little details such as these can be the difference between success and failure. Also helps if you are enrolled in the cards security verification scheme (i.e verified by visa).

The thing that I have against CP is the godawful timing of most of their international flights. They must be the preferred airline for vampires:).[/QUOTE]


Thanks for all the support. I must be getting a wuss in my old age. I used to just book hotels only when I'd checked the shower was working and book flights the day before when I was equally comfortable staying or going.

As thanks for info, and in case it's helpful to anyone else -

I bought Clark to Singapore for £42.91

Alternatives looked at online simultaneously:
CEBU Air £100.71
AIR ASIA (via KL) £90.67 (but takes a lot longer)

Actual costs are hard to determine unil you get to the payment page (standard luggage can cost many times the cost of the flight).

Tiger fly into the Budget terminal of Changi - worth bearing in mind if you have an onward flight.

For the 2009 Philippines Monger of the Year Award I would like to nominate:

MORTMAN

Apparently he has made 3 visits to the Phils this year and has contributed strongly with his own mongering reports and has provided positive and helpful feedback to others.

Some examples of his reports are:
His detailed escapades eg:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=922294#post922294[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=925493#post925493[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=924566#post924566[/url]

His helpful advice eg:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=929854#post929854[/url]

And his humour eg:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=923294#post923294[/url]
and sometimes humour at his own expense when he dropped his 27 kg suitcase on his erect penis curtailing his activities somewhat! -
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=962365[/url]

Any other nominations?
(just keep it positive eh?)

[QUOTE=KongKing]For the 2009 Philippines Monger of the Year Award I would like to nominate:

MORTMAN

Apparently he has made 3 visits to the Phils this year and has contributed strongly with his own mongering reports and has provided positive and helpful feedback to others.

Some examples of his reports are:
His detailed escapades eg:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=922294#post922294[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=925493#post925493[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=924566#post924566[/url]

His helpful advice eg:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=929854#post929854[/url]

And his humour eg:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=923294#post923294[/url]
and sometimes humour at his own expense when he dropped his 27 kg suitcase on his erect penis curtailing his activities somewhat! -
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=962365[/url]

Any other nominations?
(just keep it positive eh?)[/QUOTE]

I second that nomination ..Mortman gives us inteligent and insiteful and valuable information and does it with humor too

I third it. He has made many worthwhile posts which have helped me on my trips.

Nightrider1 posted a story about a half fucked virgin Filipina who promptly went out and got properly fucked even though she was in a relationship where she was being financially sponsored via Western Union remittances. The story touched off a firestorm of controversy on the PI board. No one knew that the popping of a young Pinay's cherry could inflame so much passion. I know for a fact that at least one monger learned from his cautionary tale of love Filipina style. So, without further ado, I cast my vote for Nightrider1.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=906960&postcount=2051[/url]

[QUOTE=Nightrider1]I second that nomination ..Mortman gives us inteligent and insiteful and valuable information and does it with humor too[/QUOTE]
NR1 I vote your post about the half fucked Filipina as post of year.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=906960&postcount=2051[/url]

Your post drove the board ape shit (just like my posts but my posts do it for another reason LOL) and I recently had a similar experience with a well educated middle class Filipina but due to

My Real

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=my+real[/url]

(Chocha Monger) and your post I was able to correct the problem before someone else corrected it….

Thanks.

The week at work after Christmas is a wonderful " waste of time " week, as we're at work but not much to do, other than back up vids and pics to new hard drives, and to fill the time I started counting this years conquests.

Now no doubt this will start a flurry of posts from other readers/posters about how they fared in 2009.

Scorecard

3 in HK. Two were Indonesian, one was a 2008 repeat, and one was Filipina I met in Manila airport. No need for DIA in HK. Just have to be in clubs with a smile.

5 in Jakarta. Two were 2008 repeats, 3 new.

(two of them came with me on subsequent business trips.)

3 in Bangkok. Yes there are freebies to be had in BKK. One was 23 working in Bangkok, one was 38 working in BKK, and one was 36 from Chiang Mai. Two of these also came on business trips with me.

5 in Malaysia which varied from 24. 35 (two of these being Filipinas)

Had a hard time counting the Manila score but think it was 11 which was accomplished in 7 trips.

They varied from 20 to Apple who was 39 and probably a tad past her ripe date LOL.

So overall a good year and of course all appeared to be free, but they never really are. I seem to have bought lots of chocolate and trashy bikinis and nightdresses most months this year, not contributions to Air Asia and Cebu Pacific.

Theres 2 new ones waiting for me in Bali early in the year, on what will be a business trip and then like Andrew Strauss will be looking to get some more early runs on the board.

Hi guys,

before my recent trip to manila i chatted with nikky of uae fame and we agreed to hook up in manila. Transfered her 100 usd for her travel expanses. She never showed up at the agreed time and didnt answer my sms or calls. A friend texted her saying he wanted to meet her. Her immediate reply was: sure, please send me money for the bus and i come straight away...
So my conclusion is that she is now a fulltime ripoff artist...

This is what I warned about a few months ago. If you just have to send her money, never send more than $30 USD. That's enough to get her to Manila. If she is asking for more, tell her she gets it when service is rendered. I whould stay clear at this point, she is abusing us monger now, and she ruined a load of good will that was given to her by WR and I.

RaZZorR

[QUOTE=Spider916]Hi guys,

before my recent trip to manila i chatted with nikky of uae fame and we agreed to hook up in manila. Transfered her 100 usd for her travel expanses. She never showed up at the agreed time and didnt answer my sms or calls. A friend texted her saying he wanted to meet her. Her immediate reply was: sure, please send me money for the bus and i come straight away.

So my conclusion is that she is now a fulltime ripoff artist.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spider916]Hi guys,

before my recent trip to manila i chatted with nikky of uae fame and we agreed to hook up in manila. Transfered her 100 usd for her travel expanses. She never showed up at the agreed time and didnt answer my sms or calls. A friend texted her saying he wanted to meet her. Her immediate reply was: sure, please send me money for the bus and i come straight away...
So my conclusion is that she is now a fulltime ripoff artist...[/QUOTE]Hi S,

Can you send me your new mobile # as tried to contact you but no joy.

Re N - never sure what happens with her. In the UAE very reliable in the Philippines she is a disaster. She has met a few ISG guys I know as they have contacted me but she has it appears from my recent emails done same to a few guys. best forget her and I advise others do same.

I have text her also asked for an explanation and that she is f**king up her business as she is a great shag but she always denies. So now even I, one of her more regular guys from the UAE, will not bother with her

PM me please.

[QUOTE=Spider916]Hi guys,

Before my recent trip to manila I chatted with nikky of uae fame and we agreed to hook up in manila. Transfered her 100 USD for her travel expanses. She never showed up at the agreed time and didn't answer my sms or calls. A friend texted her saying he wanted to meet her. Her immediate reply was: sure, please send me money for the bus and I come straight away.

So my conclusion is that she is now a fulltime ripoff artist.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but is there really people out there crazy enough to do this?

No way this can be true. Have you seen how many girls are on fields ave before? And you actually sent this gal money? You deserve this then lession learned and I bet you want again.

Heading back to Phils in a few weeks. Sources here till me I don't need a Visa now that I'm married. The Philippine Consulate says a marraige license and photos are good enough.

I do not like this new hag we got here as our consulate. To me, she has no time for anyone except her own beloved Philapinos. The man who ran the show before her was a great guy. I went to his house and he did my travel Visa that night. But her..she got no time now. Oh phooey.

Shes the 1 who told my travel agent about the license and pictures. I want to know if any of you guys think this is ok. I just don't trust mrs hag.

Thank you for your valuable opinion. Now, if you knew who we are talking about, you would know that nikky was for years the best ***** in the uae, much better than your average fields hooker and she came highly recomended from trusted mongers. Just check wr or razzor's photo posts.

With this scam she closed a nice revenue stream that was much larger than my 100usd.

Cheers

[QUOeTE=LoveVegas]I'm sorry but is there really people out there crazy enough to do this?
No way this can be true. Have you seen how many girls are on fields ave before? And you actually+sent+this+gal+money?+You+deserve+this+then+lession+learned+and+I+bet+you+want+again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveVegas]I'm sorry but is there really people out there crazy enough to do this?

No way this can be true. Have you seen how many girls are on fields ave before? And you actually sent this gal money? You deserve this then lession learned and I bet you want again.[/QUOTE]
Yes. There are many guys crazy enough to send hoes money. In this case it was just peanuts but guys have sent thousands of dollars to hoes thinking that they would get a juicy piece of fuck meat in return for their trouble. Sometimes it doesn't quite work out how they hoped.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Yes. There are many guys crazy enough to send hoes money. In this case it was just peanuts but guys have sent thousands of dollars hoes thinking that they would get a juicy piece of fuck meat in return for their trouble. Sometimes it doesn't quite work how they hoped.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to sound like a broken record...but if anyone is fool enough to send money under these circumstances, he deserves to be ripped off. Either these mongers are desperate, hard up or really freaking ugly and will never score or just ignorant. If she shows up, she get bus/taxi/p4p money after the deed. Not before. And when they insist up front money...I'll send them packing and get another gal or I'll rip the money in half and give them half and the other when done. You can always tape the two halves together and exchange them at the bank....

[QUOTE=Spider916]Thank you for your valuable opinion. Now, if you knew who we are talking about, you would know that nikky was for years the best ***** in the uae, much better than your average fields hooker and she came highly recomended from trusted mongers. Just check wr or razzor's photo posts.

With this scam she closed a nice revenue stream that was much larger than my 100usd.

Cheers [/QUOTE]
I don’t care how highly recommended she was by other mongers the fact remains the woman is a hooker. Now that is not to say all working girls are thieving or dishonest but trust me if you paint them all with this wide brush and keep your guard up… it will save you a lot of headache in the future.

There was a board member on the Dubai thread who lost about $30K to a WG in one night due to theft.

Don’t think it can happen to you? In my old hood we had a saying “Keep playing pussy and you will get fucked.”

Chalk this up to experience. I also learned the hard way in my earlier mongering days....in Dubai.

[QUOTE=Spider916]Thank you for your valuable opinion. Now, if you knew who we are talking about, you would know that nikky was for years the best ***** in the uae, much better than your average fields hooker and she came highly recomended from trusted mongers. Just check wr or razzor's photo posts.

With this scam she closed a nice revenue stream that was much larger than my 100usd.

Cheers

[QUOeTE=LoveVegas]I'm sorry but is there really people out there crazy enough to do this?
No way this can be true. Have you seen how many girls are on fields ave before? And you actually+sent+this+gal+money?+You+deserve+this+then+lession+learned+and+I+bet+you+want+again.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

I agree Spider....maybe there should be some comment in the Filipians section as for the life of me (and others) we cannot understand why she did this. So reliable in the UAE, best shag and PSE/GFE all in one. Had some bad karma with death of kid etc but still why she goes back to type when in the Philippines is still a mystery to me at times. And definitely not your average WG...far from it (I still get requests for pictures and question about when she will return to the UAE).

Got your email Spider thanks I had a different number

[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone]Today I had a travel agent with about 20 yrs experience specializing in the Phil tell me that it was not a good idea to book a one way ticket to the Phil even with an onward flight to say BKK. The reason she says is that many airlines will not allow you to board in USA without a return ticket back to USA or a ticket to onward country; that even if onward country THAT country might not allow you in without a return/foward following THEIR visa rules to some other country.[/QUOTE]The only issue with a one way ticket is that immigration may/or may not let you enter without proof that you will leave. As I live in the PI and work abroad every month, I have never been asked once. Only time I had an issue was in Bangkok flying Philippines Air. They wouldn't allow me to board without a return ticket out of Manila.

[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone]I really am starting to think the whole idea of paradise in the Phil is a mirage created by filipinas who are desperate to get out of there and has no substance in reality. It is not that cheap, you give up all your rights and the women, except for the hookers and scammers are not that easy.[/QUOTE]Why are you basing your idea of paradise based on what a filipina is telling you. I am curious to know where you meet all of these "scammers that are not that easy".

[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone]About the only advantage I see is that most speak at least Pigin English, so that learning a foreign language is not that an immediate concern. But balance that against the fact that they can talk and scheme right in front of you without you even know what the hell is happening.[/QUOTE]Thats why there are so many call centers in the Philippines. I don't think anyone will say they speak perfect english, but its better than almost all of the countries I travel to outside of the U. S! And where again are you finding these girls that are scheming you in front of your face? Why are you letting them?

[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone]Has anyone here actually married a woman there they met online? I find 95% of them to either be total phoneys with the remainder having the same feminist qualities as American c**nts. I am told that women of any class or character are not very easy to get there as they are looked on as hookers by the native population even seen in the company of a Westerner.[/QUOTE]Ahhhhh, now it all makes sense. Met online. Get off your turdcutter and get out and meet some people not in a bar and not on an internet site. You might be suprised! Its the same all over this lovely world.

[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone]Central America is also looking much better now, even Southern Mexico.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with you 100 percent here and that is YES, please go to Central America or Southern Mexico and don't come back. You have the right to express your opinions, but if I don't like something or someplace, I just don't bother talking about it.

Peace out!

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]Heading back to Phils in a few weeks. Sources here till me I don't need a Visa now that I'm married. The Philippine Consulate says a marraige license and photos are good enough.

I do not like this new hag we got here as our consulate. To me, she has no time for anyone except her own beloved Philapinos. The man who ran the show before her was a great guy. I went to his house and he did my travel Visa that night. But her..she got no time now. Oh phooey.

Shes the 1 who told my travel agent about the license and pictures. I want to know if any of you guys think this is ok. I just don't trust mrs hag.[/QUOTE]

You absolutely need a visa. Google K3 visa. No visa, no entry into the USA.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger][/QUOTE]I agree Spider. Maybe there should be some comment in the Filipians section as for the life of me (and others) we cannot understand why she did this. So reliable in the UAE, best shag and PSE/GFE all in one. Had some bad karma with death of kid etc but still why she goes back to type when in the Philippines is still a mystery to me at times. And definitely not your average WG. Far from it (I still get requests for pictures and question about when she will return to the UAE).[/QUOTE]I agree with WR. Met Nikki through him in Abu Dhabi and she was a great girl. Super friendly, caring, and just a plain nice all round person. I have often helped her out in the past when she needed some money but she has begun to act very differently since she has been back in the Phils. She has had some terrible experiences (losing a child and a few other close relatives) and her daily life is much harder than any of us can understand. Don't know why she is acting like she is now but she is only hurting herself. WR and myself had been trying to figure out a way to get her to Singapore so I could help her out, but based on recent experience and behaviour by her I don't think I'll risk my money on that. It's too bad. I hope she can get her act together. I'm hoping to get to Phils in next few months but won't hold my breathe on seeing her.

AF

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]
I agree Spider....maybe there should be some comment in the Filipians section as for the life of me (and others) we cannot understand why she did this. [/QUOTE]

Maybe its the insidious effects of so many family members around her all clamoring for dollars.

When I contacted Nikki, she tried the same thing, but as I recall, she only needed $20 to get an overnight bus for the 8 hour trip from her home in Bicol. I told her that I only wanted her ST (only do ST's) and that it was hardly worth her while so that I would see her when next she traveled to Manila to see another customer. Never heard anything more from her.

When (and if) she escapes from the clutches of her extended Filipino family, I imagine she will return to her former nature. Until then she is probably not to be trusted and not worth the effort.

100% absolutely, positively, without a doubt need that K-3 visa to get her in USA. If you start the process now she will have the visa by January 2011 IF she meets the criteria.

[QUOTE=Puerto La Cruz]100% absolutely, positively, without a doubt need that K-3 visa to get her in USA. If you start the process now she will have the visa by January 2011 IF she meets the criteria.[/QUOTE]no I'm not talking about that. I'm asking if I need a Visa to stay in the Philippines if I'm married. You need a Visa if your staying more than 21 days. The old hag says pictures and marraige license will do. I don't want to go to see this old thing this weekend if I don't have too.

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]no I'm not talking about that. I'm asking if I need a Visa to stay in the Philippines if I'm married. You need a Visa if your staying more than 21 days. The old hag says pictures and marraige license will do. I don't want to go to see this old thing this weekend if I don't have too.[/QUOTE]I'm no expert, but my co-worker who is married and has lived in the Phils for 8 years says he has to get a visa. He typically only stays at the most 20 days at a time so hasn't needed it. His wife has contacts in the government and its pretty much just paying the cash for him. I know guys that have stayed up to 1 1/2 years without a visa just paying for extensions. Money is the key. If you want more detailed info, PM me with questions and I will ask him and his wife directly.

[QUOTE=The Rooster1]I'm no expert, but my co-worker who is married and has lived in the Phils for 8 years says he has to get a visa. He typically only stays at the most 20 days at a time so hasn't needed it. His wife has contacts in the government and its pretty much just paying the cash for him. I know guys that have stayed up to 1 1/2 years without a visa just paying for extensions. Money is the key. If you want more detailed info, PM me with questions and I will ask him and his wife directly.[/QUOTE]Just wondering how much they charge for over staying. A lot or not much? Maybe 500p per day? If it's not a lot I'll just pay it but I don't want there to problems that come with it.

I'm contacting my travel agent again and probably will go see the old hag. The thing is she's doing visa documents bi-weekly. She will be around this weekend but I'll be gone before I can go get the visa 2 weeks later. Now if she says she can it within a week and I can pick it up, hell that would be sweet. Apparently the new consulate isn't well liked. Even her own countrymen have problems with her.

She cost me money last year in regards to the Legal Capacity Certificate I needed to get married. She gave me some paper with a ribbon on it for who knows what that cost me 39$. I also did a marraige search here in vital statistics that was 60$. When I got to Phils it wasn't what they wanted. 100$ wasted off the hop. Sometimes it's a real runaround with these people. They think they know, but in the end they're wrong and the wallet comes out again.

Getting a traight answer out of Phils immigration on this subject is difficult, but for what its worth when i asked them about overstay fines in cebu they said that there would be a fine - from memory 1000P for the first 3 days plus I would need to pay the usual cost for arranging a visa extension.

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]Just wondering how much they charge for over staying. A lot or not much? Maybe 500p per day? If it's not a lot I'll just pay it but I don't want there to problems that come with it.

I'm contacting my travel agent again and probably will go see the old hag. The thing is she's doing visa documents bi-weekly. She will be around this weekend but I'll be gone before I can go get the visa 2 weeks later. Now if she says she can it within a week and I can pick it up, hell that would be sweet. Apparently the new consulate isn't well liked. Even her own countrymen have problems with her.

She cost me money last year in regards to the Legal Capacity Certificate I needed to get married. She gave me some paper with a ribbon on it for who knows what that cost me 39$. I also did a marraige search here in vital statistics that was 60$. When I got to Phils it wasn't what they wanted. 100$ wasted off the hop. Sometimes it's a real runaround with these people. They think they know, but in the end they're wrong and the wallet comes out again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]Just wondering how much they charge for over staying. A lot or not much? Maybe 500p per day? If it's not a lot I'll just pay it but I don't want there to problems that come with it.[/QUOTE]They tried to charge me 3000PHP ($67) for overstaying my Tourist Visa a while back. I was going to pay the fine with no problem when the immigration officer asked was I in military. (I get that a lot in PI) I told him no but I showed him my US Gov ID card and LOA (Letter Of Authorization a paper granting you permission to travel by the US Gov) After that I was promptly released without a fine being paid.

PS: I had overstayed three days.

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]Just wondering how much they charge for over staying. A lot or not much? Maybe 500p per day? If it's not a lot I'll just pay it but I don't want there to problems that come with it.

I'm contacting my travel agent again and probably will go see the old hag. The thing is she's doing visa documents bi-weekly. She will be around this weekend but I'll be gone before I can go get the visa 2 weeks later. Now if she says she can it within a week and I can pick it up, hell that would be sweet. Apparently the new consulate isn't well liked. Even her own countrymen have problems with her.

She cost me money last year in regards to the Legal Capacity Certificate I needed to get married. She gave me some paper with a ribbon on it for who knows what that cost me 39$. I also did a marraige search here in vital statistics that was 60$. When I got to Phils it wasn't what they wanted. 100$ wasted off the hop. Sometimes it's a real runaround with these people. They think they know, but in the end they're wrong and the wallet comes out again.[/QUOTE]Its the same, if you overstay for 2 days or 2 months. They charge 3500 to 4000 pesos. I have done it couple of times. PH immigration is cool. Just make sure. You go to a lady immigration officer for all your needs when it comes to visa issues.

Sometime you don't even have to pay as warbucks mentioned. No worries.

I can remember that an extension of your tourist visa at arrival costs PHP 3. 000. It was mentioned on these pages some time ago (Yes, I am lazy!).

When you overstay e.g. 10 days you pay probably the same amount of PHP 3. 000 with a chance that an officer at immigration looks another way and will let you pass without paying (I am retired, maybe that will help also).

A visa from a Philippines Consulate in Europe was € 32 last year or roughly PHP 2. 800, and then you have to add costs of transport to a consulate plus time you need to go there and back, plus costs for registered mail sometimes.

When I look at these figures I will take the risk of overstaying.

Any better opinion or advice?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Its the same, if you overstay for 2 days or 2 months. They charge 3500 to 4000 pesos. I have done it couple of times. PH immigration is cool. Just make sure. You go to a lady immigration officer for all your needs when it comes to visa issues.

Sometime you don't even have to pay as warbucks mentioned. No worries.[/QUOTE]hmm. My travel agent told me it will be roughly 35$ canadian dollars. Less than 1500p for the extra 7 days. I can live with 4000p though.

Do you need to go anyplace special to get it done? Do they do it right at the airport?

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]hmm. My travel agent told me it will be roughly 35$ canadian dollars. Less than 1500p for the extra 7 days. I can live with 4000p though.

Do you need to go anyplace special to get it done? Do they do it right at the airport?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure about the 7 day extension, it may be possible also, i got it done for regular 2 months extention.


They do it in Airport also, but it depends upon the immigration officer and his mood and how he views your case. But lately, I have heard that all visa overstay is reffered to the main immigration office....so you will miss your flight if it happens....don't take that chance.

[url]http://www.immigration.gov.ph/[/url]

Above is the main website. if you are in Manila, you can go personally and get in done in like couple of hours....intramurous main immigration office...its easy and uncomplicated.

You can do the same in other cities also, its a very simple process.

I never had any trouble with overstaying......they ask few question on reason for overstay and give them some lame excuse and you are done with the paper work..they call you after one hour and you get your extension.

They are really after your money and nothing else :) I don't think they really care about overstay as long as we pay.

Good Luck

Hi Guys,

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??

Thanks in advance

Bigdan

[QUOTE=Bigdan]
does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??
[/QUOTE]

As far as I am aware, there is no minimum requirement. You could fly out and return the same day and get a fresh 21 day visa, although immigration might wish to know why you would want to do that!

[QUOTE=Bigdan]Hi Guys,

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??

Thanks in advance

Bigdan[/QUOTE]
Bigdan, you do not need to leave the country after 21 days! Lots of information on this in this forum. I am surprised at Cunning Stunt's advice to you.

You do need evidence that you are leaving the Philippines (ie a return air ticket) as part of the check-in procedures on your flight to the Philippines (a Philippines Immigration requirement). But the return ticket does NOT need to be within 21 days of arrival.

My return ticket was nearly 4 months after arrival... no problem. Someone a year ago on this thread said that an open air return was also accepted.

If you want to stay longer than 21 days you don't need to leave the country (like a Thailand visa run)! Your 21 day visitor's visa can be extended for another 39 days giving you a 60 day stay if you arrange this at a Philippines Immigration office, well distributed in the Phils. This will cost you about 3500 pesos for that 39 day extension. Then it seems to be no problem to roll over your visa on a 2 monthly basis. The important thing is to arrange your extension before the passport stamped expiry date.

KongKing

In theory you need an onward or return ticket. in practice on my 3 visits to phils I have been able after a few questions to board without one . In the era of E tickets this becomes more and more difficult for trhe airlines and passport agency to wrry about


[QUOTE=KongKing]Bigdan, you do not need to leave the country after 21 days! Lots of information on this in this forum. I am surprised at Cunning Stunt's advice to you.

You do need evidence that you are leaving the Philippines (ie a return air ticket) as part of the check-in procedures on your flight to the Philippines (a Philippines Immigration requirement). But the return ticket does NOT need to be within 21 days of arrival.

My return ticket was nearly 4 months after arrival... no problem. Someone a year ago on this thread said that an open air return was also accepted.

If you want to stay longer than 21 days you don't need to leave the country (like a Thailand visa run)! Your 21 day visitor's visa can be extended for another 39 days giving you a 60 day stay if you arrange this at a Philippines Immigration office, well distributed in the Phils. This will cost you about 3500 pesos for that 39 day extension. Then it seems to be no problem to roll over your visa on a 2 monthly basis. The important thing is to arrange your extension before the passport stamped expiry date.

KongKing[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bigdan]Hi Guys,

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??

Thanks in advance

Bigdan[/QUOTE]

A couple of years ago, I met Bigdan in Prague.

He is a regular of the Prague Boards (and a wealth of information if you ever want to go there or ask on the boards).

He showed me round and took me to Jagushka pub with the half duck and pilsener urquell beer, and the Gurman pub with the Krusovice beer. Not to mention putting me on to the legendary Wendy at Maslive Studentky private. *drool, dribble*

So how did I repay him?

By recommending he go to Angeles City...which he did in November, hooking up with Miss M - and now he has caught Filipines Fever. Just like the rest of us, Bigdan is trapped in the Phils and is trying to extend his time there.

And it's all my fault.

Muahahaha.

[QUOTE=KongKing]Bigdan, you do not need to leave the country after 21 days! Lots of information on this in this forum. I am surprised at Cunning Stunt's advice to you.
[/QUOTE]

Why? Bigdan never mentioned extending his visa. I might have been in error but I read his question as to how long, if he left the country, before he could return on a fresh 21 day Visa.

If he has been here since November, then he has already extended his visa or has a serious overstay problem!

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Why? Bigdan never mentioned extending his visa. I might have been in error but I read his question as to how long, if he left the country, before he could return on a fresh 21 day Visa.

If he has been here since November, then he has already extended his visa or has a serious overstay problem![/QUOTE]

He is just planning his next trip...obviously an LT.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Why? Bigdan never mentioned extending his visa. I might have been in error but I read his question as to how long, if he left the country, before he could return on a fresh 21 day Visa.

If he has been here since November, then he has already extended his visa or has a serious overstay problem![/QUOTE]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your help, I am sure there are some information about this but not recently.

My point is going maybe there for over 21 days and perhaps a side trip to another country if I would get a new 21 days Visa!

Thanks

Bigdan

Cebu Pacific has a two day sale, today and tomorrow, of flights from Clark to varying destinations, flight dates 01 Feb - 30 Apr 10.

Just picked up a flight to Bangkok for a little over P1100! A giveaway.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Cebu Pacific has a two day sale, today and tomorrow, of flights from Clark to varying destinations, flight dates 01 Feb - 30 Apr 10.

Just picked up a flight to Bangkok for a little over P1100! A giveaway.[/QUOTE]
From their website:( [url]http://www.cebupacificair.com/help/faq-businessrules.html#q5[/url]

Cebu Pacific’s New and Exciting Business Rules!
Starting December 1, 2009, we will be implementing NEW BUSINESS RULES that should help our guests manage their bookings better. We understand that unavoidable circumstances may occur, causing our guests to miss their scheduled flights. To better facilitate and accommodate our guests’ flight changes, we created the Travel Fund.

The Travel Fund aims to help our guests use their purchased ticket in a schedule that is more convenient for them, provided that it is within ninety (90) days of the Travel Fund creation date. We are also giving our guests the option to transfer the tickets in another person’s name as he/she wishes to. But all these changes will only be made available as long as they were made more than one (1) day before departure date. So now, there will be no more need for a refund; you may just easily store the value of your ticket in your Travel Fund for your next flight.


Why can’t I refund my booking in cash and what is a Travel Fund?

We changed this business rule in order to better serve your travel needs. Your Travel Fund makes it possible for you to enjoy a more flexible arrangement because you may still use the value of your changed flight within ninety (90) days from the date the Travel Fund is created. You also have the option to transfer it to another person. This eliminates the wait for your refund and you may immediately use the amount stored in your Travel Fund for your next booking.

My girl has a new cell phone Nokia 2630 When I try to text her phone using yahoo messenger after I enter her cell number it said- Yahoo! Messenger cannot send SMS messages to this mobile number! she has Smart That you can pay whatever amount for your load! I checked yahoo site Smart and Globe users can receive yahoo text message! Do her phone need to be configured?? setting needs to be adjusted? or whatever! Is there a step by step instructions how to fix this problem so her phone can receive yahoo text messenger?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Bumbo]My girl has a new cell phone Nokia 2630 When I try to text her phone using yahoo messenger after I enter her cell number it said- Yahoo! Messenger cannot send SMS messages to this mobile number! she has Smart That you can pay whatever amount for your load! I checked yahoo site Smart and Globe users can receive yahoo text message! Do her phone need to be configured?? setting needs to be adjusted? or whatever! Is there a step by step instructions how to fix this problem so her phone can receive yahoo text messenger?

Thanks![/QUOTE]
Have her sign into Yahoo Moblie on her YM. When she signs out of YM, it will let her sign into YM mobile and then you can YM her like she is online, but it will go to her mobile and she will still be charged.

Robb

Also many use Chikka or Google voice to send SMS to the PI. The Chikka pc-installed version lets you send load. However, I have trouble getting Chikka to connect here, I am sure its about firewall settings. The browser-based Chikka works fine for me. She can reply to a Chikka sms like its a local text.

[QUOTE=Robbaf]When she signs out of YM, it will let her sign into YM mobile and then you can YM her like she is online, but it will go to her mobile and she will still be charged.[/QUOTE]
It's 2.5 php for her to send a SMS but free to receive.

[QUOTE=Bumbo]... I checked yahoo site Smart and Globe users can receive yahoo text message! Do her phone need to be configured?? ...[/QUOTE]

Are you entering the phone number correctly? Hit the F1 key for YM help. You need to enter the country code +63 for Phils. I use CHIKKA and number starts with 63. e.g. 639155555555.

Will a western Caucasian be scorned or looked down upon by locals if your with a much younger gal? I, m 60 and like them small spinnerish and around 20.

I, m sure, not, if your in AC or in a party town area, but what if you pack and bag and a spinner young pussy and head out on the road?

[QUOTE=Vandaddio]Will a western Caucasian be scorned or looked down upon by locals if your with a much younger gal? I, m 60 and like them small spinnerish and around 20.

I, m sure, not, if your in AC or in a party town area, but what if you pack and bag and a spinner young pussy and head out on the road?[/QUOTE]No worries at all. Go to Landmark in Makati and you will see no end of old and young shopping together. Sure the matrons will have a little tut tut and "how could he/she".. give them the evil eye and they will back off.

You will have no probs at all out on the road either. In the Phils they are bought up to both appreciate an older guy, to not see any major age difference as strange, and for most, they will not even look at you.

[QUOTE=Vandaddio]Will a western Caucasian be scorned or looked down upon by locals if your with a much younger gal? I, m 60 and like them small spinnerish and around 20.

I, m sure, not, if your in AC or in a party town area, but what if you pack and bag and a spinner young pussy and head out on the road?[/QUOTE]

It is ok here in Manila and other cities. I have seem many Caucasian folks going with young 20 year olds. People don't seem to care but notice it anyway.

I have seem many folks also let the girl walk in front of her, so that it does not look obvious they are together but it only happens if they live in high rise condos and have to see the same people again and again in elevators and walk ways....otherwise, its cool...in mall bars sand restaurants no body cares...

What's the name of a beachside city 1 hour drive North West of Manila, on the opposite side of AC?

A bro is going there. He has a beach house and plenty young, pretty girls are available.

I am trying to pull together information to decide if I want to go along. Please mention the name of the city and any info.

[QUOTE=Peter Pan 2009]What's the name of a beachside city 1 hour drive North West of Manila, on the opposite side of AC?

A bro is going there. He has a beach house and plenty young, pretty girls are available.

I am trying to pull together information to decide if I want to go along. Please mention the name of the city and any info.[/QUOTE]

You mean Subic ?

[QUOTE=Jambo]Also many use Chikka or Google voice to send SMS to the PI. The Chikka pc-installed version lets you send load. However, I have trouble getting Chikka to connect here, I am sure its about firewall settings. The browser-based Chikka works fine for me. She can reply to a Chikka sms like its a local text.[/QUOTE]

I’m chuffed that you guys put me onto Chikka. It’s just what I needed. Living in the Philippines, where most communication is by message, I waste so much time tapping out sms’s and if, like me, you have sausages for fingers, it can be very time consuming. Only problem with Chikka is that whereas Chikka to CP texts are free, CP to Chikka texts cost P2-50 which is no great problem as the girl can reply in normal sms (they balk at the extra P1-50).

More worryingly is that after a couple of texts without Chikka reply, sms’s are prefaced by a warning that future messages may be blocked, if not replied through Chikka. Does anyone know if this the case?

Once Google Voice offers local phone numbers for the PI, it will re-write the rules on this game. I do suggest you request a free Google Voice number for your area now.

[QUOTE=Vandaddio]Will a western Caucasian be scorned or looked down upon by locals if your with a much younger gal? I, m 60 and like them small spinnerish and around 20.

I, m sure, not, if your in AC or in a party town area, but what if you pack and bag and a spinner young pussy and head out on the road?[/QUOTE]

Be proud V, enjoy the envious looks and not worry about the old maids who will tut etc.

I walk around with my 18 year old favourite and other young girls are jealous ..of her...so have fun and shag her as much as possible...of course :D

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]I’m chuffed [/QUOTE]Great Northern word. CS . Im off to Eebahgumland next week.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Be proud V, enjoy the envious looks and not worry about the old maids who will tut etc.

I walk around with my 18 year old favourite and other young girls are jealous. Of her. So have fun and shag her as much as possible. Of course.[/QUOTE]Thanks Wicked Roger, that makes me feel a bit more relaxed about what I, m going to get myself into. Not sure if I will wear the new tee shirt that says

DIRTY OLD MAN.

Which should say sexy senior citizen.

[QUOTE=Vandaddio]Thanks Wicked Roger, that makes me feel a bit more relaxed about what I, m going to get myself into. Not sure if I will wear the new tee shirt that says

DIRTY OLD MAN.

Which should say sexy senior citizen.[/QUOTE]
My T shirt says 'dirty kinky old man ....and proud of it"

Glad that you relaxed about things as best way and ignore the looks/comments unless you see other young girls staring and you and her in jealousy...that will make you feel great I promise :D Had it recently in SM Department Store in Manila when with my 18 year old....lovely feeling :)

[QUOTE=Fiend Devil]You mean Subic ?[/QUOTE]Not Subic. Something else. He mentioned it in a very noisy bar. It was very hard to unsderstand.

I will probably visit Manila, Angeles City then that place.

This map is pretty nice.


[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=manila+maps&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Manila,+Philippines&gl=us&ei=FtdXS5TvCZL-tQPog9HFBw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ8gEwAA[/url]

I use the service of meebo.com It is faster than yahoo or anything else I have seen available that is free. I use it daily and it works great. Give it a shot.

Norske 1

Anyone have suggestions for basic medical testing clinics that will EMAIL me the results and are open for drawing blood late at night or early morning (better if open 24 hours).

I just need basic testing HIV STD and such for insurance and visas. I normally go to Makati Medical where a clerk would scan and email me the results after testing was done and ready but she left and the new staff won't do that for me.

They will allow other people to pick up your results but it's a hassle and I'd rather just find a place that will do a quick test, or email results. Any suggestions? And prefer a place more near Makati if possible.

I will be in Manila next week. Can anyone please explain the pros and cons of picking up in the shopping malls. Which malls do the pimps work from? Best time to go mid week, and your opinion on the Malls versus just going to La Cafe in daylight hours. I am particularly in favor of hooking up with college girls / students that are not hard core and a bit shy.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV] ... I normally go to Makati Medical where a clerk would scan and email me the results after testing was done and ready but she left and the new staff won't do that for me... [/QUOTE]First time I was in the laboratory of Makati Med they had a big VIRUS detection warning on their computer screen. Going there a year later it was still displaying the SAME virus warning. You better have not Makati Med email you anything, unless you use a Mac of course.

[QUOTE=Ajacobson]First time I was in the laboratory of Makati Med they had a big VIRUS detection warning on their computer screen. Going there a year later it was still displaying the SAME virus warning. You better have not Makati Med email you anything, unless you use a Mac of course.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I know but the clerk did it on her own time...

Arrived in Clark/Angeles from BKK last night. Very nearly not allowed on the plane due to lack of return/onward ticket.

At Clark itself then immigration people don't give a sh t about onward tickets and didn't ask anyone, but at check in on Cebu Pacific in BKK the guy said he couldn't let me on board without one. I tried the noraml BS which worked last time but he insisterd he couldn't let me on board as the airline can be fined 50000 B if they allow someone on board who gets stoped by immiration apparently. Eventually he said all that was needed was the Flight number i would take out so i was able to call my hotel (The Penthouse in Pattaya) get them to look online for a flight number for a Phils air flight back to BKK. (dangerous to give a Cebu Pacific flight as he might have checked it on his system.)

So important advice to anyone travelling to phils without a genuine onward/return ticket: write down the flight number and date of a return flight with another airline other than then one you are travelling with and say you have booked it online an d dont have a print out. I suspect that he knew i didnt really have one but he just had to put something into his sytem to check the boxes. Was a close run thing to catch the flight - last on board etc.

[QUOTE=Peter Pan 2009]Not Subic. Something else. He mentioned it in a very noisy bar. It was very hard to unsderstand.[/QUOTE]

There are no other "beach" towns that could readily fit this description. Even the Subic area is nearly two hours from Manila, and other towns on the Zambales or Bataan Provinces coastline are considerably further than Subic in terms of driving time. It is possible your buddy simply used another name from the Subic Bay area, like Olongapo or Barrio Barretta. Please check out this post from X-Man in the Subic Thread:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=935744&postcount=142[/url]

Then check out his pictures, the link to the map he provides, and then some of the adjacent posts by other mongers before and after his post.

If you actually plan to hit the "beach," the water anywhere near where the Olongapo River dumps into Subic Bay is likely to be polluted. The Navy guys always referred to the river as Sh*t River -- for good reason. If you must swim, go either up or down the coast, or check out one of the beaches on the west side of the Bay away from Olongapo.

A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O.L.E.? I have searched high and low and i cannot track down the reference.

What i am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Devils 1]A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O. L. E? I have searched high and low and I cannot track down the reference.

What I am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

Thanks[/QUOTE]The site you are looking for is OLX manila. You are right similar to craigs list and used a lot more for locals. You need to be careful how you word things as payment for service should only be implied!

Just google manila classifieds and it will come up.

buy and sell ?

[QUOTE=Devils 1]A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O.L.E.? I have searched high and low and i cannot track down the reference.

What i am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Devils 1]A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O.L.E.? I have searched high and low and i cannot track down the reference.

What i am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[url]http://manila.olx.com.ph/[/url]

[QUOTE=Devils 1]A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O.L.E.? I have searched high and low and i cannot track down the reference.

What i am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

It was, I believe, me. I have had a little success with OLX but CL is better.

Another site worth a try is [url]http://www.sulit.com.ph[/url] which is the most used online classifieds in the Philippines.

I saw that the PI floated a bond issue recently that was well received by the international finance community and just today, they announced another one that is restricted to the balikbayans. Whats going on? I've always thought of the pinos as completely lazy and untrustworthy, and lacking any entreprenurial instincts. The country is on par with Haiti and is an unsalvageable mess, basically an open sewer. I would have thought that the only place a foreigner could safely deposit something in the Phils was in a sperm bank. Come to think of it, those warm wet filipina pussys absorb a lot of caucasian cum shots from vacationing mongers and are akin to travelling sperm banks.

Have investors lost their minds?

[QUOTE=Bigdan]Hi Guys,

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??

Thanks in advance

Bigdan[/QUOTE]

Good question, I've also wondered that also. I don't know. However, I went to the Phils embassy and got a 6 month, multi-entry Visa. It was cheap, fairly easy and fast to do. Once I had that, I was set and no worries. Once during my return from Phils, the Immigration guy (a seemingly young, hard body hot head type) said...."You've overstayed!". I calmly said, "No. I have a visa." He was forced to shutup and stamp it. He didn't like being wrong but he was, and he got out of my face.

[QUOTE=AnonJohn]Good question, I've also wondered that also. I don't know. However, I went to the Phils embassy and got a 6 month, multi-entry Visa. It was cheap, fairly easy and fast to do. Once I had that, I was set and no worries. Once during my return from Phils, the Immigration guy (a seemingly young, hard body hot head type) said...."You've overstayed!". I calmly said, "No. I have a visa." He was forced to shutup and stamp it. He didn't like being wrong but he was, and he got out of my face.[/QUOTE]


I think you just have to leave the country and you can come straight back in, but it will typically be cheaper and less hassle to get a visa extension (about $50 or so once all the extras are added in. I thinjk I'm right in saying tha tthe i9nitial extension extends the 21 days to 60 ie an additional 39, subsequent extensions can be for either 1 or 2 months. Any travel agent wil do it for you for say 1000P extra or you can go yourself and hang around the office for a couple of hours if you prefer to save the money

Shit I am still in shock as my Aussie Visa card worked for a booking. Looks like they pulled their finger out and fixed the problem. You beauty no more paying bloody travel agents good money for nothing.

Does anyone know of any university’s/education centers that are close enough to monger locations yet isolated enough to where the students or school officials would not notice. I have been given the opportunity to set up a summer study abroad program in economics. My employer will pay for me to take two weeks for exploratory set up and then it would be a summer program every year after that. This seems like a great opportunity to combine both work and pleasure while my trip cost and stay would be paid for by my employer. Any information on education centers in or near AC, Manilla, Cibu, or any of the other monger locations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

[QUOTE=Chris Long]Does anyone know of any university’s/education centers that are close enough to monger locations yet isolated enough to where the students or school officials would not notice. I have been given the opportunity to set up a summer study abroad program in economics. Chris[/QUOTE]

All the major universities and most of the best are located in Metro Manila. University of the Philippines, Ateneo (Jesuit), and De La Salle (La Salle Brothers) are considered the best in the Philippines and are more likely to have respectable economics faculties. University of the Philippines (UP) has the best faculty in most fields of study, but the buildings, streets, and physical plant are falling apart. Ateneo and De La Salle have much better facilities, since they are institutions that sustain the elite classes of the country. Ateneo and UP are within a couple miles of each other, but they're in Quezon City, far from mongering sites except for the expensive clubs on Quezon Avenue. I'll come back to De La Salle later.

About a rung below these is Santo Thomas, located along Espana Avenue in Northeast Manila. Far Eastern University, San Beda College, and Polytechnic University of the Philippines are somewhat smaller schools, similarly in Northeast Manila. They are much closer than UP and Ateneo, but because they're North of the Pasig River, traffic often is a problem in getting by taxi to the mongering locations. If you're willing to learn to ride the light rail system, that might not be a problem.

Philippine Normal University, Technological University of the Philippines, Adamson University, Santa Isabel College, and University de Manila are somewhat less prestigious schools about a 15 to 20-minute sweaty walk from LA Cafe in Manila. I am guessing your employer will want you to be housed near the students, and that means on campus or very close nearby. So you should not plan on taking p4ps to your regular housing location. So your mongering model would need to include using short time hotels like Eurotel, Sogo, or the rooms upstairs in Amazonia. But for all of these closer universities people coming and going from campus would be unlikely to cross paths with you as you move to or from LA Cafe in the company of some p4p.

St. Paul's University, Philippine Christian University (yeah, right!), and Philippine Women's University (yeah, double right!) are less than 10 minutes walking distance from LA, but too close to risk movement too and from LA Cafe.

You might want to look up these institutions on Wikipedia and then check out their websites. Be prepared for the reality that most Philippine websites are not well maintained and have lots of deadend links. You might also download the free version of Google Earth if you don't already have it, and do a "business" search for these institutions. UP and Ateneo are in Quezon City; all the others are Manila. Also, do a search for LA Cafe. I believe it shows up as a marked restaurant or bar. Locating the universities and LA Cafe will give you a sense of the lay of the land.

When you've done all these things, then check out De La Salle. They have a very compact campus at the extreme Southern edge of Manila, and I think they have over 10,000 students. Location wise they are within a 10 minute cab ride to either LA Cafe or the EDSA entertainment complex, or, if you want, you can easily ride the LRT from right in front of campus to Pedro Gil (10 minute walk to LA) or to the corner of Taft and EDSA, about 5 minutes on foot to the EDSA complex. I saved them for last, but I strongly recommend that you start with these folks. I have some friends there, and I know they're looking for foreign partnerships.

Send me a pm if you want to know more.

Hello All,

Yes I am new to this forum and yes I fully understand about reading through the forum and posts to answer many of the newbie questions which I have been doing for the last few weeks.

My situation is one that is much different then what you fine gentlemen talk about here but because of your experiences I think you would have a wealth of helpful information for me.

To start I am not really a "Monger" who is here looking for ways to get sex from the girls. I am actually looking to find good lady for a marriage or long term relationship. I have always loved Asian women and especially the Filipina women. I have read much and researched about finding a good lady and also many of the scams these girls try on unsuspecting men. I found this site by error doing a search for scams but find much of this information very helpful in trying to weed out the bad ones.

What I am looking for is any suggestions or information from you pro's as to what I need to be looking for when contacting a girl. I am listed on DIA and do get many offers for chat and I would say that 95% of them go right for my wallet very quickly. I have heard many stories of sick relatives, need for money for school and just about every combination of money chasing out there.

Are there anyways of finding a girl who wants a relationship without raiding my wallet, or without pushing for marriage right away so she can get Visa? Some of these girls are regular pros at making you feel bad for them or hiding the real truth as to why they are interested in you.

Any pointers or info would be very appreciated.

Thanks for your help

[QUOTE=Apeman 28]Shit I am still in shock as my Aussie Visa card worked for a booking. Looks like they pulled their finger out and fixed the problem. You beauty no more paying bloody travel agents good money for nothing.[/QUOTE]Apeman,

I've noticed this also recently, but with Philippine Airlines. Last year (2009) I've tried several times to buy e-tickets online for a Philippine Airlines flight Manila-Cebu-Manila. To my biggest fustration it didn't work. After complaining many times by e-mail, and with the use of a little pressure by using their slogan "We care" I've succeeded to get the e-tickets after all.

Last week, I've tried my luck again and booked online e-tickets for the flights Bangkok-Manila-Bangkok. I was extremely surprised to see that the transaction by visa card was accepted and confirmed at the first time. Looks indeed like they pulled their finger out and fixed the problem! Hurray.

Mike

[QUOTE=Dashing Don]I saw that the PI floated a bond issue recently that was well received by the international finance community and just today, they announced another one that is restricted to the balikbayans. Whats going on? I've always thought of the pinos as completely lazy and untrustworthy, and lacking any entreprenurial instincts. The country is on par with Haiti and is an unsalvageable mess, basically an open sewer. I would have thought that the only place a foreigner could safely deposit something in the Phils was in a sperm bank. Come to think of it, those warm wet filipina pussys absorb a lot of caucasian cum shots from vacationing mongers and are akin to travelling sperm banks.

Have investors lost their minds?[/QUOTE]

With all due respect, I whole heartedly disagree with your assesment of filipinos.

Skip Kost has already given you some great info about uni in MNL.

If you have any interest in the long term success of the program, I suggest you look closely at Cebu or even some other destination. Dumaguete / Silliman Uni?

I wouldn't want to be responsible for students in Manila. There are just too many things that can go wrong. It's a big dirty city and there are security issues.

For whatever it's worth, Cebu seems to attract a lot of Korean students who come to study English.

In Cebu it would be harder to be discrete, but still doable. And if you are there long term, you might find yourself enjoying the regular ladies rather than going for p4p.

X

[QUOTE=Chris Long]Does anyone know of any university’s/education centers that are close enough to monger locations yet isolated enough to where the students or school officials would not notice. I have been given the opportunity to set up a summer study abroad program in economics. My employer will pay for me to take two weeks for exploratory set up and then it would be a summer program every year after that. This seems like a great opportunity to combine both work and pleasure while my trip cost and stay would be paid for by my employer. Any information on education centers in or near AC, Manilla, Cibu, or any of the other monger locations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Skip Kost has already given you some great info about uni in MNL.

If you have any interest in the long term success of the program, I suggest you look closely at Cebu or even some other destination. Dumaguete / Silliman Uni?

I wouldn't want to be responsible for students in Manila. There are just too many things that can go wrong. It's a big dirty city and there are security issues.

For whatever it's worth, Cebu seems to attract a lot of Korean students who come to study English.

In Cebu it would be harder to be discrete, but still doable. And if you are there long term, you might find yourself enjoying the regular ladies rather than going for p4p.

X[/QUOTE]


I would agree with X Man

if you want some links with the best colleges/unis in PI then you prob have to go to Manila but its too big to be much fun for me. Cebu has alot of unis too and as someone said is very popular with Korean students learning English. cebu would be the best destination from the point of girls in my view. Dumaguete would be the third choice, it has Sulliman Uni, one of the best in the phils and a few smaller colleges. Its a much smaller town much more difficult to do things discretely and the ratio of western retirees/hot young chicks is probably the worst iin the country.

[QUOTE=Sellmerch1]Hello All,

Yes I am new to this forum and yes I fully understand about reading through the forum and posts to answer many of the newbie questions which I have been doing for the last few weeks.

My situation is one that is much different then what you fine gentlemen talk about here but because of your experiences I think you would have a wealth of helpful information for me.

To start I am not really a "Monger" who is here looking for ways to get sex from the girls. I am actually looking to find good lady for a marriage or long term relationship. I have always loved Asian women and especially the Filipina women. I have read much and researched about finding a good lady and also many of the scams these girls try on unsuspecting men. I found this site by error doing a search for scams but find much of this information very helpful in trying to weed out the bad ones.

What I am looking for is any suggestions or information from you pro's as to what I need to be looking for when contacting a girl. I am listed on DIA and do get many offers for chat and I would say that 95% of them go right for my wallet very quickly. I have heard many stories of sick relatives, need for money for school and just about every combination of money chasing out there.

Are there anyways of finding a girl who wants a relationship without raiding my wallet, or without pushing for marriage right away so she can get Visa? Some of these girls are regular pros at making you feel bad for them or hiding the real truth as to why they are interested in you.

Any pointers or info would be very appreciated.

Thanks for your help[/QUOTE]

Hi I'm sure I and other guys with extensive phils experience are delighted to try to help but i think we need a little bit more background as to what you are looking fior and what type of guy you are etc.

Your message was using Indian English, are you or Indian background? If so do you live there or in the Us ? obviously Phil girls will be much keener to move to the US. Approx how old are you and what age lady are you looking for? Are you looking fior a sweet innocent virgin type or somebody more wild and experienced? Is educational background important for you? Do you mind if she has a big family (who are likely to see you as a source of income if you marry her?)

As a general rule if i were looking for a wife rather than fun, I would be more interested in Chinese girls, because if you are potentially offering marriage and western visa you can find a university educated girl who speaks pretty good Engliush who will accept a say 15 year age gap, The Chinese in general are hard working, entrepreneurial and have small families. If you have a well educated one, she can probably get a reasonable job when with you in the West, and if you have a job/social circle where such things are important then she is likely to be considered much more respectable amongst your friends. I would personally be very wary of getting a Thai wife, as i think the high class ones are not so interested in marrying a big age gap foreign guy and the lower class ones often either don't speak much English or are bar girls. Doubtless there will be guys here who have known of exceptions, but personally I think if you marry a thai bar girl you are asking for trouble.

If you are not so concerned about education/hard work etc and dont mind marryingt into a large family with many mouths to feed, the philly girls are a good option as they speak better English and there are millions available, they will tolerate higher age gaps than other Asian girls.

Personally I would go for a girl who is at least college/uni educated speaks excellent English doesnt have a baby etc

[QUOTE=Sellmerch1]Hello All,

I am listed on DIA and do get many offers for chat and I would say that 95% of them go right for my wallet very quickly. I have heard many stories of sick relatives, need for money for school and just about every combination of money chasing out there.

Are there anyways of finding a girl who wants a relationship without raiding my wallet, or without pushing for marriage right away so she can get Visa? Some of these girls are regular pros at making you feel bad for them or hiding the real truth as to why they are interested in you.

Any pointers or info would be very appreciated.

Thanks for your help[/QUOTE]You haven't left it long enough yet. You said 95% mention money quickly but what about the 95%.

You just need to be patient. Make sure your profile does NOT say you are looking for marriage. Say something like you are looking for friends first and will then see where the friendship takes you. Saying you are looking for a wife will attract everyone, including scammers etc.

Also. Get a thicker skin. Don't let them make you "feel bad". If you fall for their stories they think you are a sucker anyway. Just go with the stats. There are 100s of women on DIA for example. Keep trawling and you will eventually find at least one, which is really all you want.

[QUOTE=Sellmerch1]Hello All,

To start I am not really a "Monger" who is here looking for ways to get sex from the girls. I am actually looking to find good lady for a marriage or long term relationship. I have always loved Asian women and especially the Filipina women. I have read much and researched about finding a good lady and also many of the scams these girls try on unsuspecting men. I found this site by error doing a search for scams but find much of this information very helpful in trying to weed out the bad ones.

What I am looking for is any suggestions or information from you pro's as to what I need to be looking for when contacting a girl. [/QUOTE]

If you're really looking for someone with whom to establish a long-term relationship, I would forget about getting it done on line. For one thing, it's too difficult to separate the hustlers from sincere women. For another, what you learn about her on line is limited to what she wants to share with you, which might not encompass what you really need or want to know.

The only reliable way to meet women for something other than sex is, in my opinion, to come here for a fairly extended period and see for yourself. Once you're here, you have several options. You can meet expats who have lived here for a while and who are in long-term relationships and ask them to ask their partners to introduce you to "serious" friends. You can take matters into your own hands by just engaging women who appeal to you in conversation and see where it goes from there. You can (as I have often encouraged others to do) hang around various universities and professional schools and start conversations with appealing women. I know some guys who meet women at church and who go there specifically for that purpose, and others who join various religiously oriented groups. If you're into sports like golfing, diving, or tennis, you will run into women who might interest you on the golf course, the dive boat or the tennis court. My point is that there are multiple venues and multiple approaches to meeting women once you're here.

Even before coming here however, you should probably determine beforehand where you're going to go. This is a large country and the various regions are different.

GE

Thanks for the reply! In answer to your question..No I am not Indian and appologize if my writting appears that way. I am a full blooded caucasian white male 46 years old but do look younger (no gray and full head of hair) and somehwhat physically fit.

I am looking for a lady who is between the ages of 25 and 35 witht he emphasis towards the older side of that range. I fully understand the need for these girls to support their families and would not be opposed to that for the right girl as I am financially secure in my life. I have been chatting with a couple girls online that I found on DIA who seem to be very nice but there always seems to be something that makes you step back.

One in particular is very well educated, speaks english like a westerner and is very pretty and respectful. We have been chatting steady for the last month and a half and she has never asked for a thing. She has actually refused and offer from me when she was having a hard financial time. But, the issue with her is that she has child and was married to a Filipino who lives in the states who refuses to acknowledge her or child. I realize I should run from this situation but she is by far the best I have met yet. The other girl is from Jakarta and also seems very sweet and pretty, not quite as educated but still pretty sharp. She appears not to have children or ever been married and lives with parents who are poor as dirt so support would surely be part of the deal.

I guess what I am trying to do is find a few good ladies online who are appealing, who fit my requirements and who are not gold diggers or at least don't appear to be gold diggers. Then plan trip to meet up in person and try to filter through most in person. I am in no rush and want to make best decision but these girls are pros of deception and it is hard to tell fact from fiction.


[QUOTE=GregLondon]Hi I'm sure I and other guys with extensive phils experience are delighted to try to help but i think we need a little bit more background as to what you are looking fior and what type of guy you are etc.

Your message was using Indian English, are you or Indian background? If so do you live there or in the Us ? obviously Phil girls will be much keener to move to the US. Approx how old are you and what age lady are you looking for? Are you looking fior a sweet innocent virgin type or somebody more wild and experienced? Is educational background important for you? Do you mind if she has a big family (who are likely to see you as a source of income if you marry her?)

As a general rule if i were looking for a wife rather than fun, I would be more interested in Chinese girls, because if you are potentially offering marriage and western visa you can find a university educated girl who speaks pretty good Engliush who will accept a say 15 year age gap, The Chinese in general are hard working, entrepreneurial and have small families. If you have a well educated one, she can probably get a reasonable job when with you in the West, and if you have a job/social circle where such things are important then she is likely to be considered much more respectable amongst your friends. I would personally be very wary of getting a Thai wife, as i think the high class ones are not so interested in marrying a big age gap foreign guy and the lower class ones often either don't speak much English or are bar girls. Doubtless there will be guys here who have known of exceptions, but personally I think if you marry a thai bar girl you are asking for trouble.

If you are not so concerned about education/hard work etc and dont mind marryingt into a large family with many mouths to feed, the philly girls are a good option as they speak better English and there are millions available, they will tolerate higher age gaps than other Asian girls.

Personally I would go for a girl who is at least college/uni educated speaks excellent English doesnt have a baby etc[/QUOTE]

While I do agree fully with you on going there and doing my search in person it is not possible at this time. I only have the ability at this point to travel there short term (1-2 weeks) a couple times per year. I am financially secure but still have a career and work and would only travel on holiday or once in a while on business. I would like to try and find a few "Elite" ladies online and then once I have a short list make plans to travel to meet in person to weed out the bad apples.

I find most of the girls online to be regular pro's of deception or have way too many skeletons in the closet for my likings. I am prepared for a long search though as I am in no rush. Any help and guidance would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]If you're really looking for someone with whom to establish a long-term relationship, I would forget about getting it done on line. For one thing, it's too difficult to separate the hustlers from sincere women. For another, what you learn about her on line is limited to what she wants to share with you, which might not encompass what you really need or want to know.

The only reliable way to meet women for something other than sex is, in my opinion, to come here for a fairly extended period and see for yourself. Once you're here, you have several options. You can meet expats who have lived here for a while and who are in long-term relationships and ask them to ask their partners to introduce you to "serious" friends. You can take matters into your own hands by just engaging women who appeal to you in conversation and see where it goes from there. You can (as I have often encouraged others to do) hang around various universities and professional schools and start conversations with appealing women. I know some guys who meet women at church and who go there specifically for that purpose, and others who join various religiously oriented groups. If you're into sports like golfing, diving, or tennis, you will run into women who might interest you on the golf course, the dive boat or the tennis court. My point is that there are multiple venues and multiple approaches to meeting women once you're here.

Even before coming here however, you should probably determine beforehand where you're going to go. This is a large country and the various regions are different.

GE[/QUOTE]

To the guy looking for marriage...first of all, youre on the wrong board lol. Also, IMHO, DIA is the last place I would look. As proof here, alot of guys and girls are there looking for a quick hook up. There are dozens of smaller dating type sites run by filipinas and their respective spouse that are just trying to get their friends or family hooked up, are much smaller, and many of these the owners of the sites personally know the girls. I would try and find something like that. Start with google.

As far as the comments on dating online in general, I disagree with comments that you cant get to know them. If a girl has something to hide, she will do so in person as well. How would you know? The bottom line, whether you meet her online or in person, is only time will reveal her true personality. IMHO its no different online or in person. Sure, it may take a little more time online, but like I said if she has something to hide she will in person. Hell...its not like in person they are an open book. Thats true of ANY woman (or man). If youve been married you know there are things you continue to learn even years after you marry. I encourage meeting online, as it cuts your (and her) time and effort by months.

Just my humble opinion.

A 46 year old white male, reasonably financially secure and with nice attitude is a dream catch for most of the girls on DIA so you should be spoilt for choice unless you live in the middle of Alaska or something.

One question that is pretty crucial is whether or not you are looking to start a family with this girl or whether you have decided against kids.

Personally I would definitely go for a girl without kids already and in the context of an Asian girl would go for someone in her late 20s. Its pretty unusual for girls in Phils/Indo/thai to have not gotten married or had a kid before 30s so the 30-35 plus market will mostly have baggage. Its different for the highly educated Chinese girl who has done a couple of degrees etc. With hundreds of thousands to choose from I don't think there is a need to compromise. I've seen many Western guys come to Asia to take wives who end up with seriously unimpressive girls because they are still thinking in terms of the quality of girl they can realistically get in the west. The reality is that if you are taking the effort and expense and uncertainty of fishing over here you should be looking for a far more attractive catch.

One issue that you will face is the reluctance of girls to enter intro several month long getting to know you sessions online. One difficulty is that there are loads of guys in DIA who are really just online to kill time and have fantasy girlfriends/chatmates with no real intention of very coming to the Phils or asia. The more attractive girls get hundreds of messages so must try somehow to sort the guys who are serious from the guys just wanting to chat for months. The other issue is that frankly with a large majority of asian girls there is simply not that much to get to know. Ive seen guys ask about hobbies or what do you do at the weekend type questions. For a poor girl, she probably doesn't have the money or imagination to do much more than hang out with friends or go down to the mall, and many don't have a real job so the concept of weekend has little meaning.

Maybe the guy wqho suggested personal recommndations is sensible. For example I know about 4 or 5 asian girls Chinese/Thai/phils in that age group, either educated or at least bright, with good English who i consider trustworthy freinds, if you PM me with the type that you are looking for I'm happyt to put you in touch with any that meet your requirements.






[QUOTE=Sellmerch1]Thanks for the reply! In answer to your question..No I am not Indian and appologize if my writting appears that way. I am a full blooded caucasian white male 46 years old but do look younger (no gray and full head of hair) and somehwhat physically fit.

I am looking for a lady who is between the ages of 25 and 35 witht he emphasis towards the older side of that range. I fully understand the need for these girls to support their families and would not be opposed to that for the right girl as I am financially secure in my life. I have been chatting with a couple girls online that I found on DIA who seem to be very nice but there always seems to be something that makes you step back.

One in particular is very well educated, speaks english like a westerner and is very pretty and respectful. We have been chatting steady for the last month and a half and she has never asked for a thing. She has actually refused and offer from me when she was having a hard financial time. But, the issue with her is that she has child and was married to a Filipino who lives in the states who refuses to acknowledge her or child. I realize I should run from this situation but she is by far the best I have met yet. The other girl is from Jakarta and also seems very sweet and pretty, not quite as educated but still pretty sharp. She appears not to have children or ever been married and lives with parents who are poor as dirt so support would surely be part of the deal.

I guess what I am trying to do is find a few good ladies online who are appealing, who fit my requirements and who are not gold diggers or at least don't appear to be gold diggers. Then plan trip to meet up in person and try to filter through most in person. I am in no rush and want to make best decision but these girls are pros of deception and it is hard to tell fact from fiction.[/QUOTE]

I fully undertsand what the purpose of this board is. My reason for asking questions here are because I feel many of the men here are very experienced in dealing with these girls. Sure the men here are not looking for marraige or even a long term relationship but I still feel some of the more experienced here understand these women and the culture incredibly well.

I am sure there are many here saying why in gods world would anyone want a long term relationship when you can have a different one each day! Lets just say that I am in a place in my life where I want to settle down. I have been divorced now for 6 years and have had many women some hired and some not. I have traveled to many Asian countries in my time during the military and now for my work. Out of all the places I have traveled I have grown a liking to the Filipina ladies. So now comes the challenge of trying to find a good lady. Thanks again for the suggestions I do appreciate.

[QUOTE=Blackangst]To the guy looking for marriage...first of all, youre on the wrong board lol. Also, IMHO, DIA is the last place I would look. As proof here, alot of guys and girls are there looking for a quick hook up. There are dozens of smaller dating type sites run by filipinas and their respective spouse that are just trying to get their friends or family hooked up, are much smaller, and many of these the owners of the sites personally know the girls. I would try and find something like that. Start with google.

As far as the comments on dating online in general, I disagree with comments that you cant get to know them. If a girl has something to hide, she will do so in person as well. How would you know? The bottom line, whether you meet her online or in person, is only time will reveal her true personality. IMHO its no different online or in person. Sure, it may take a little more time online, but like I said if she has something to hide she will in person. Hell...its not like in person they are an open book. Thats true of ANY woman (or man). If youve been married you know there are things you continue to learn even years after you marry. I encourage meeting online, as it cuts your (and her) time and effort by months.

Just my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]

I know there are a lot of older gentlemen here so I ask this to you more experienced hands. I plan on retiring in the P.I. like many of you all have already done but to those of you who are married to filipinas like I am, I just wonder how you keep your cheating on your spouse private? I mean, not just how you keep it private but morally what do you feel? I see other women too so I am in no way criticizing anyone. For me, I'm still young but I feel that I'm a man and it is just natural for us as men to mess with different pussy. I 100% know for a fact that I would NEVER EVER leave my wife and that the other girls I mess around with are only just booty calls, that's it. Nothing more. I also feel that if men don't continue to keep it diverse, their junk will possibly stop working.

But with all the diseases out there I have been wondering that maybe I should just get handjobs from the girls in P.I. after I retire there to be safe. There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe. No chance of bringing anything to wife that way at all. I know I am rambling here but I'm just curious to what you older guys feel about this since a lot of you all have been there done that. Also, I want to put out that I am a strong advocate of marriage so I don't wish to talk about marriage being a waste of time. It isn't. If ones desires a solid family with kids then marriage is the only way. Period.

I just read an interesting article in today's New York Times, headed,

[quote]"Sinatra Song Often Strikes Deadly Cord".

Apparently, it has been the cause of several killings and many violent
confrontations in Kareoke Bars in the Philippines. Many intoxicated patrons
consider it to be an arrogant affirmation of American-style bravura.
Red Horse, an illegal hand gun, disgruntled drinkers and this old Sinatra Favorite can be a deadly combination.[/quote]So, if you do feel the urge to sing, best be on key and choose a different song !

First off gentleman, I want to thank all of you who have posted your valuable information on the dating site game. After a couple of years lurking the phils section I have decided on Cebu as my preferred venue for my first phils experience. I don't like spending time in loud music pounding bars/clubs and while I drink socially, I am not a big drinker, so the barfine scene is not my preferred source for puntang.

Several weeks ago, after noting how others who have gone before have approached the scene on DIA, I decided on my strategy and began. My basic strategy was to create 2 profiles for my self, call them Alterboy and Sexybeast. Alterboy is the LTR/Marrriage minded persona. Sexybeast is the up-front but generous and understanding until-fuck-do-us-part guy. These are the results of the past 2 weeks:

Sexybeast is my preferred persona but I began with Alterboy for 3 reasons: 1) from an anthropological standpoint I wanted to chat with a large number of filipinas from all over the country to get a sense of their cultural personality, their general circumstances, and what they want out of life. Armed with this data, Sexybeast can only be more effective.

2) I simply wanted to know if one persona generally got more action that the other.

3) After Alterboy has spent a bit of time cultivating online relationships with "I'm only a good girl" filipinas with the promise of meeting them on my trip with hopes for marriage, I then wanted to have Sexybeast hit them up with his up-front offer for short-term sexual companionship to see what happens.

Well, short of actually arriving in the phils to meet the girls in person (I know that is the real test and I'll be happy to be there to do it!) I have to report success accross the boards.

Alterboy, even without a pic in his DIA profile got loads of interest and responses. He had more pretty young women hitting him up for is YM I'd than he knew what to do with. After chatting, most of them professed an ardent desire to meet him in person. Ever the good respectfull boy, he did not even hint at sex, though he was flirty and complimentary. Many girls maitained their nice persona, but some saw an opportunity to take advantage of a nice sucker. The ones who hit him up for money on the first chat, he discarded out of hand, banishing to the land of unwanted filipinas.

The others who he liked and who worked him a bit, ie many chat sessions, and then all so apologetically hit him up for some help, these he did not discard. No, instead he threw them to Sexybeast. The transition was incredibly easy. Once Alterboy morphed into Sexybeast he simply explained with great empathy how he undertands their situation and really wants to help, but he only gives financial favors to girls in person and if they are nice to him ie spend the night with him in his hotel. By this method Sexybeast has (2) confirmed very attractive chatmates who have agreed to see him on his trip.

After 2 weeks after chatting up all these nice girls, bear in mind that Alterboy is sincere in his desire for a LTR and maybe even Marriage if he is so lucky, there were very many who wanted him. After many hours chatting with dozens of girls, he has found 2 girls that he is intested in marrying. Both girls are at University, have steadfastly maintained there nice personas, shared pics of their wonderful families, and think Alterboy is a wonderful man and worthy of a possible life-time committment.

Given Alterboys love and admiration for both of these paragons of the marriagable filipina, it was time to begin Sexybeast in earnest.

Only last night he began. His DIA profile newly in hand, he courted the ladies. In only 30 minutes, he had his first 2 definite hits on DIA, girls who read his profile and wanted him. Both were young and both are hot. With this success, he stayed online for another hour. His messages to the first 2 girls seem so effective he cut and pasted the message and sent it to many hot girls. Unfortuenaly, he did not realize that DIA doesn't allow cut and pasters, so they weren't sent! OOPS! Before going to bed, Sexybeast sent messages to both of Alterboys selections for possible marriage partners. Alter boy didn't mind, he knew the quality of these girls and was unconcered.

This morning Sexybeast immediately logged onto DIA and Lo-and-Behold! One of Alterboy's marriage selections had recieved Sexybeasts message, read his profile, and definately wanted to meet him on Sexybeasts terms! In fact, she was quite enthusiastic about it. The second girl hasn't been online yet to get Sexybeast's message, but Alterboy is confident she will be immune to Sexybeast's charm. Sexybeast is not so sure. In addition to Alterboys girl, one of the girls whos profile Sexybeast had visited the night before, but who did not recieve any message becuase of the see and P fiasco, had noted his visit, read his profile, and indicated a strong desire to meet him.

I have to tell you all, I love this DIA. Sexybeast with very little effort has (6) young (but over 18) non-pro hotties who want to fuck him for money. Don't worry, he understands he must recruit many more, to account for attrition, and no-shows, and life in general. But Sexybeast will keep the captured ones on his string, charm them and have them chomping at the bit to see him when he comes and he will recruit many many more.

Which persona gets more action? Well, in terms of sheer volume, that would be Alterboy. So if you really want a LTR/Marriage, don't be afraid to use him, but I would recommend keepting Sexybeast in the wings as a later chastity test. Alterboy is also very usefull for just getting to know about filipinas. With what I know from using Alterboy, I am simply able to go in for the kill with Sexybeast with great precision. If your desire is the no-regrets non-pro/semi-pro nice girl p4p action, then Sexybeast is the way to go. He gets plenty of action with a minimum of bullshit.

After I arrive in Cebu I will report my real world results. Again, thanks all.

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[QUOTE=Sellmerch1]What I am looking for is any suggestions or information from you pro's as to what I need to be looking for when contacting a girl. I am listed on DIA and do get many offers for chat and I would say that 95% of them go right for my wallet very quickly. I have heard many stories of sick relatives, need for money for school and just about every combination of money chasing out there.

Are there anyways of finding a girl who wants a relationship without raiding my wallet,

Thanks for your help[/QUOTE]don't know what you are doing wrong or what I'm doing right, but after 18 months on DIA (and countless hook ups) I've never had anyone " go for my wallet".

Never state you are a first timer to Phils.

Never state you are looking for wife.

Trust your instincts and if a girl makes an ambiguous comment about money, move on.

Remember thats whats small money for you might be big money for them. Other day a girl asked for taxi fare, so I gave her p200. She was shocked and said she only needs p 50. Thats US$1.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]

I've seen many Western guys come to Asia to take wives who end up with seriously unimpressive girls because they are still thinking in terms of the quality of girl they can realistically get in the west. The reality is that if you are taking the effort and expense and uncertainty of fishing over here you should be looking for a far more attractive catch. (snip)

One issue that you will face is the reluctance of girls to enter intro several month long getting to know you sessions online. (snip)

The more attractive girls get hundreds of messages so must try somehow to sort the guys who are serious from the guys just wanting to chat for months. The other issue is that frankly with a large majority of asian girls there is simply not that much to get to know. (snip)

[/QUOTE]

Hi Greg,

A couple of comments/suggestion.

You are quite right that guys quite often settle for less because they are comparing the market in PI to the market back home. However, I reckon that someone who is seriously searching can even maximise it even more by putting in some extra yards himself.

For example, how many guys speak even a little Tagalog?

I bet if an average guy messaged one of the stunners/more educated and started off with

Magandang tanghali!

Kumusta.

Wala akong asawa, pero..../Magisa ako, pero gusto kong asawa.

Wala akong ang manga anak/mairon ako anak ng babae/lelaki

etc etc

And then explained (in english) that he was learning Tagalog, I bet that he would zoom immediately near to the top of the list. And if he actually could manage even a couple of hundred words then it would be the very top of most lists.

A course such as Pimsleur would enable someone to get 300 words within a month of hard work. (one and a half hours hard work per day - not the half hour per day they say at Pimsleur). That costs about $USD150.

The point being that if one is looking seriously for a wife (I am not - eeeeek), then $150USD and about 45 hours of hard mental work has such a seriously high payoff in terms of the quality of the ladies able to be contacted, that it is really a no brainer. It screams out to the stunners who are trying to sift out the serious guys from the time wasters that here is someone who is serious, and is prepared to respect Philippine culture too.

[url]http://www.pimsleuraudio.com/pimsleur_search_result.php?lang_name=Tagalog&osCsid=a918673db99af293c79e258cec8f1c11[/url]

ps, I solemnly vow and declare I have no connection whatever with Pimsleur, although I have used it.

[QUOTE=Blackangst]To the guy looking for marriage...first of all, youre on the wrong board lol. Also, IMHO, DIA is the last place I would look. As proof here, alot of guys and girls are there looking for a quick hook up. There are dozens of smaller dating type sites run by filipinas and their respective spouse that are just trying to get their friends or family hooked up, are much smaller, and many of these the owners of the sites personally know the girls. I would try and find something like that. Start with google.

As far as the comments on dating online in general, I disagree with comments that you cant get to know them. If a girl has something to hide, she will do so in person as well. How would you know? The bottom line, whether you meet her online or in person, is only time will reveal her true personality. IMHO its no different online or in person. Sure, it may take a little more time online, but like I said if she has something to hide she will in person. Hell...its not like in person they are an open book. Thats true of ANY woman (or man). If youve been married you know there are things you continue to learn even years after you marry. I encourage meeting online, as it cuts your (and her) time and effort by months.

Just my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]
I have chatted and met few girls from DIA.
My observations are,
1. Even though they say in their profile many have children.
2. Initially they pretend to frown on sex on meeting but they quickly turn around with the right incentive.
3. They all want money and gifts. It starts with no load in the Phone,no money to buy food, transportation etc.
4. Some are well experienced in sex giving me the feeling that they have might have done more than a few stints in LA cafe.
5. Few young girls want you to meet their parents or sister before they agree to stay with you. It is all a eyewash ending in requests of money to help their "poor" family.
6. None of these are wife material unless you consider good sex is enough.
7. Most often there is no real topic of conversation. You end up twiddling your thumbs while she texts away with their friends.

I think if you are serious of marrying a Philippine girl go through dating agencies and such. They might pre-screen your requirements. Most dating site girls are looking for money from you.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]
..But with all the diseases out there I have been wondering that maybe I should just get handjobs from the girls in P.I. after I retire there to be safe. There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe... [/QUOTE]

Gloves ... I love it, tell me that you are joking? Do you put on a crash helmet every time that you risk your life and limb out on the mean city streets of Manila, Angeles or Cebu.

Mongering is a risk takers endeavor. That is part of the thrill and excitement. Sure, you can minimize the risk element by strict condom use and careful hygiene practices (but a lot of mongers don't) but you cannot eliminate it entirely. And who would want to in the cotton wool cocooned environment of today.

For those for whom risk is a dirty word, there is always origami and widow wankey and her five daughters (but don't forget the marigold;)).

[QUOTE=Rubberyman]
A course such as Pimsleur would enable someone to get 300 words within a month of hard work. (one and a half hours hard work per day - not the half hour per day they say at Pimsleur). That costs about $USD150.
[/QUOTE]

So, whats your commission?;) The Rosetta Stone video interactive courses are also very useful for those intent on learning some Tagalog.

It sure can impress the girls.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]I know there are a lot of older gentlemen here so I ask this to you more experienced hands. I plan on retiring in the P.I. like many of you all have already done but to those of you who are married to filipinas like I am, I just wonder how you keep your cheating on your spouse private? I mean, not just how you keep it private but morally what do you feel? I see other women too so I am in no way criticizing anyone. For me, I'm still young but I feel that I'm a man and it is just natural for us as men to mess with different pussy. I 100% know for a fact that I would NEVER EVER leave my wife and that the other girls I mess around with are only just booty calls, that's it. Nothing more. I also feel that if men don't continue to keep it diverse, their junk will possibly stop working.

But with all the diseases out there I have been wondering that maybe I should just get handjobs from the girls in P.I. after I retire there to be safe. There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe. No chance of bringing anything to wife that way at all. I know I am rambling here but I'm just curious to what you older guys feel about this since a lot of you all have been there done that. Also, I want to put out that I am a strong advocate of marriage so I don't wish to talk about marriage being a waste of time. It isn't. If ones desires a solid family with kids then marriage is the only way. Period.[/QUOTE]

i don't understand why someone would marry a filipina without sorting this out PRIOR to marriage. ie to make clear from the start that you like to ry new girls (preferably with her in bed too) but that you arre looking for a long term companion, mother to your children and that you will not dump her or embarass her infront of friends and relatives.

In my experience most Filipinas are willing to accept and enjoy threesomes with other girls all it requires is a little persuasion and encouragement to get over the socially installed yuk factor. A day later they are into it and busy hunting for your next joint conquest.

As in every walk of life you must negotiate from a position of strength and your positionjn of strength is when you are dangling the tantalizing prospect of marriage before her, not when she has been ensconced in the west, been reading western womens mags and talking to her friends about how much alimony she can collect if you ditch her.

if you are living or plan to viist the Phiols it is almost inevitable that you will want to try new girls given the superabundance of willing young nubile girls so your wife to be better face up to reality BEFORE you marry.

The concept that sex and marriage are intimately linked is Christian inspired nonsense. Marriage is in effect the beginning of the end of your sex life unless you make it clear that her role is primarily as companion/mother/friend and you fully intend to continue seeking sexual novelty elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]So, whats your commission?;) The Rosetta Stone video interactive courses are also very useful for those intent on learning some Tagalog.

It sure can impress the girls.[/QUOTE]I think you need maybe 20 good phrases that can fool people into thinking you know Tagaog

May tumawag sa akin ( has anyone called me )
Alis ny ako ( Im going out now )
Tayo na ( lets go -together)
Gutum ako ( Im hungry)
Ako din ( me too )
Ang bait mo ( your so sweet)
Paki hinaan radyo mo ( please turn down your radio...great phrase to use in taxis)
Baki walang matro ( why not use the meter)
Saan ka pupunta ( where you going )
Celabas ( outside... when a BG asks where you from always reply with this.. they always laugh no matter how corny it sounds)

Hindo naitindihan at marunong ( I dont understand or comprehend )

etcetc.

With such phrases its easy to fool people into thinking you are reasonably fluent. And it sure makes the girls think you are wise to their ways and clealr not a tourist.

And of course , if they make a wallet squeeze on you..then " hindi pera ngayon" ( I have no money at moment ) should be used......lol

[QUOTE=Sammon]1. Even though they say in their profile many have children.

2. Initially they pretend to frown on sex on meeting but they quickly turn around with the right incentive.

3. They all want money and gifts. It starts with no load in the Phone, no money to buy food, transportation etc.

4. Some are well experienced in sex giving me the feeling that they have might have done more than a few stints in LA cafe.

5. Few young girls want you to meet their parents or sister before they agree to stay with you. It is all a eyewash ending in requests of money to help their "poor" family.

6. None of these are wife material unless you consider good sex is enough.

7. Most often there is no real topic of conversation. You end up twiddling your thumbs while she texts away with their friends.

I think if you are serious of marrying a Philippine girl go through dating agencies and such. They might pre-screen your requirements. Most dating site girls are looking for money from you.[/QUOTE]I met an ISG visitor on Saturday night who was getting knocked back on trying to meet some DIA contacts he had. Was his first time in Manila and he clearly had a bad impression.

I'm now reading some of the above observations and I have to wonder why I'm lucky in getting plenty of DIA meetings that exactly fall into the type that I want to have. Answers are probably as follows:

1. Learn some Tagalog. For the ladies, this quickly means you are not a 2 day tourist.

2. Tell them that you are familiar with Manila. Again this separates the 2 day tourists from the herd.

3. In early chat tell them you have a wife. This separates the wife hunters.

4. Call the girl. This separates the baklas as the deep voice is a 99% giveaway.

5. Check the girls location. Make sure its near yours. If you are in Makati and girl is in Manila she may have to take an hour getting to you. You will think shes late, shes just stuck in traffic. Already your both off to a bad start.

6. Nothing to talk about? If you had lots to chat about and then nothing to talk about when together, shes probably shy and being deferential to you in not speaking first. Ask her leading questions. Interview her about her family, whatever. Filipinas LOVE to talk so maybe you are doing something wrong if shes quiet. Get her to laugh. Again they love jokes. Sing an Air Supply song if all else fails. They love Air Supply and love kareoke.

If you had nothing in common to talk about in chat, why would you think it would be different in real life.

Talk slow. English is not the first language.

Get chatting on YM and if the girl doesn't apprecaite your sense of humour, or can only say "what" "pardon" or " I don't understand" then clearly shes not going to stunning company when you meet.

Girls from province maybe smart as a button. Or slow as a caribou. Exercise sonme judgement before meeting.

I thought all the above would have been relatively obvious, but I think many guys see a pretty picture and assume the women has a brain to match that wil be in perfect synch with your personality. Long long way from the truth as last few postings clearly demonstrate.

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[QUOTE=Laylow3]

There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe. [/QUOTE]

A hand job, with gloves doesn't sound like fun to me, but hey to each is his own. I sure wouldnt pay much to get a "sterile" hand job.

I love this idea, I think it will work great in weeding out the "bad" girls in my search. But of course most of you are looking for the "Bad" girl while I am looking for the good! Guess we are on different ends of the playing field! LOL

[QUOTE=Riverman]First off gentleman, I want to thank all of you who have posted your valuable information on the dating site game. After a couple of years lurking the phils section I have decided on Cebu as my preferred venue for my first phils experience. I don't like spending time in loud music pounding bars/clubs and while I drink socially, I am not a big drinker, so the barfine scene is not my preferred source for puntang.

Several weeks ago, after noting how others who have gone before have approached the scene on DIA, I decided on my strategy and began. My basic strategy was to create 2 profiles for my self, call them Alterboy and Sexybeast. Alterboy is the LTR/Marrriage minded persona. Sexybeast is the up-front but generous and understanding until-fuck-do-us-part guy. These are the results of the past 2 weeks:

Sexybeast is my preferred persona but I began with Alterboy for 3 reasons: 1) from an anthropological standpoint I wanted to chat with a large number of filipinas from all over the country to get a sense of their cultural personality, their general circumstances, and what they want out of life. Armed with this data, Sexybeast can only be more effective.

2) I simply wanted to know if one persona generally got more action that the other.

3) After Alterboy has spent a bit of time cultivating online relationships with "I'm only a good girl" filipinas with the promise of meeting them on my trip with hopes for marriage, I then wanted to have Sexybeast hit them up with his up-front offer for short-term sexual companionship to see what happens.

Well, short of actually arriving in the phils to meet the girls in person (I know that is the real test and I'll be happy to be there to do it!) I have to report success accross the boards.

Alterboy, even without a pic in his DIA profile got loads of interest and responses. He had more pretty young women hitting him up for is YM I'd than he knew what to do with. After chatting, most of them professed an ardent desire to meet him in person. Ever the good respectfull boy, he did not even hint at sex, though he was flirty and complimentary. Many girls maitained their nice persona, but some saw an opportunity to take advantage of a nice sucker. The ones who hit him up for money on the first chat, he discarded out of hand, banishing to the land of unwanted filipinas.

The others who he liked and who worked him a bit, ie many chat sessions, and then all so apologetically hit him up for some help, these he did not discard. No, instead he threw them to Sexybeast. The transition was incredibly easy. Once Alterboy morphed into Sexybeast he simply explained with great empathy how he undertands their situation and really wants to help, but he only gives financial favors to girls in person and if they are nice to him ie spend the night with him in his hotel. By this method Sexybeast has (2) confirmed very attractive chatmates who have agreed to see him on his trip.

After 2 weeks after chatting up all these nice girls, bear in mind that Alterboy is sincere in his desire for a LTR and maybe even Marriage if he is so lucky, there were very many who wanted him. After many hours chatting with dozens of girls, he has found 2 girls that he is intested in marrying. Both girls are at University, have steadfastly maintained there nice personas, shared pics of their wonderful families, and think Alterboy is a wonderful man and worthy of a possible life-time committment.

Given Alterboys love and admiration for both of these paragons of the marriagable filipina, it was time to begin Sexybeast in earnest.

Only last night he began. His DIA profile newly in hand, he courted the ladies. In only 30 minutes, he had his first 2 definite hits on DIA, girls who read his profile and wanted him. Both were young and both are hot. With this success, he stayed online for another hour. His messages to the first 2 girls seem so effective he cut and pasted the message and sent it to many hot girls. Unfortuenaly, he did not realize that DIA doesn't allow cut and pasters, so they weren't sent! OOPS! Before going to bed, Sexybeast sent messages to both of Alterboys selections for possible marriage partners. Alter boy didn't mind, he knew the quality of these girls and was unconcered.

This morning Sexybeast immediately logged onto DIA and Lo-and-Behold! One of Alterboy's marriage selections had recieved Sexybeasts message, read his profile, and definately wanted to meet him on Sexybeasts terms! In fact, she was quite enthusiastic about it. The second girl hasn't been online yet to get Sexybeast's message, but Alterboy is confident she will be immune to Sexybeast's charm. Sexybeast is not so sure. In addition to Alterboys girl, one of the girls whos profile Sexybeast had visited the night before, but who did not recieve any message becuase of the see and P fiasco, had noted his visit, read his profile, and indicated a strong desire to meet him.

I have to tell you all, I love this DIA. Sexybeast with very little effort has (6) young (but over 18) non-pro hotties who want to fuck him for money. Don't worry, he understands he must recruit many more, to account for attrition, and no-shows, and life in general. But Sexybeast will keep the captured ones on his string, charm them and have them chomping at the bit to see him when he comes and he will recruit many many more.

Which persona gets more action? Well, in terms of sheer volume, that would be Alterboy. So if you really want a LTR/Marriage, don't be afraid to use him, but I would recommend keepting Sexybeast in the wings as a later chastity test. Alterboy is also very usefull for just getting to know about filipinas. With what I know from using Alterboy, I am simply able to go in for the kill with Sexybeast with great precision. If your desire is the no-regrets non-pro/semi-pro nice girl p4p action, then Sexybeast is the way to go. He gets plenty of action with a minimum of bullshit.

After I arrive in Cebu I will report my real world results. Again, thanks all.

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[QUOTE=GregLondon]i don't understand why someone would marry a filipina without sorting this out PRIOR to marriage. ie to make clear from the start that you like to ry new girls (preferably with her in bed too) but that you arre looking for a long term companion, mother to your children and that you will not dump her or embarass her infront of friends and relatives.

In my experience most Filipinas are willing to accept and enjoy threesomes with other girls all it requires is a little persuasion and encouragement to get over the socially installed yuk factor. A day later they are into it and busy hunting for your next joint conquest.

As in every walk of life you must negotiate from a position of strength and your positionjn of strength is when you are dangling the tantalizing prospect of marriage before her, not when she has been ensconced in the west, been reading western womens mags and talking to her friends about how much alimony she can collect if you ditch her.

if you are living or plan to viist the Phiols it is almost inevitable that you will want to try new girls given the superabundance of willing young nubile girls so your wife to be better face up to reality BEFORE you marry.

The concept that sex and marriage are intimately linked is Christian inspired nonsense. Marriage is in effect the beginning of the end of your sex life unless you make it clear that her role is primarily as companion/mother/friend and you fully intend to continue seeking sexual novelty elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
but do you honestly think a marriage like that will last with kids and all? I mean what would you tell your son and/or daughter? I truly wish it were that easy but in reality I don't think it's nowhere near that simple. However like I said, I do believe that a man absolutely has to get his rocks off to different girls in some form or another. Even if it's just a simple "sterile" hand job while fingering different pussy should suffice I hope. I have to continue to emphasize that I worry about my junk not working if I don't maintain the chase of poon.

A friend of mine at work and her boyfriend is like that now. Scary as shit if you ask me. She is 51 and asexual and her boyfriend is the same. She said that they have been dating for about 6 years and during the first 3 years they had sex occasionally but he had a back injury in their third year together and they haven't had sex since. She says that he told her that his penis doesn't work anymore and he has no sexual desires at all. I don't want that to ever happen to me.

@Cunning Stunt - yeah, it's a risky sport but I know I could never live with myself if my spouse caught a disease because of me...

[QUOTE=Laylow3]but do you honestly think a marriage like that will last with kids and all? I mean what would you tell your son and/or daughter? I truly wish it were that easy but in reality I don't think it's nowhere near that simple. However like I said, I do believe that a man absolutely has to get his rocks off to different girls in some form or another. Even if it's just a simple "sterile" hand job while fingering different pussy should suffice I hope. I have to continue to emphasize that I worry about my junk not working if I don't maintain the chase of poon.

A friend of mine at work and her boyfriend is like that now. Scary as shit if you ask me. She is 51 and asexual and her boyfriend is the same. She said that they have been dating for about 6 years and during the first 3 years they had sex occasionally but he had a back injury in their third year together and they haven't had sex since. She says that he told her that his penis doesn't work anymore and he has no sexual desires at all. I don't want that to ever happen to me.

@Cunning Stunt - yeah, it's a risky sport but I know I could never live with myself if my spouse caught a disease because of me...[/QUOTE]

I think its the normal modus operandi in much of the world and historically (the wife of a wealthy man tolerating infidelity as long as its not thrown in her face and doesnt threaten the long term stability of the partnership.) Its just we are so conditioned to think in terms of the current feminist/christian inspired concepts.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]I know there are a lot of older gentlemen here so I ask this to you more experienced hands. I plan on retiring in the P.I. like many of you all have already done but to those of you who are married to filipinas like I am, I just wonder how you keep your cheating on your spouse private? I mean, not just how you keep it private but morally what do you feel? I see other women too so I am in no way criticizing anyone. For me, I'm still young but I feel that I'm a man and it is just natural for us as men to mess with different pussy. I 100% know for a fact that I would NEVER EVER leave my wife and that the other girls I mess around with are only just booty calls, that's it. Nothing more. I also feel that if men don't continue to keep it diverse, their junk will possibly stop working.

But with all the diseases out there I have been wondering that maybe I should just get handjobs from the girls in P.I. after I retire there to be safe. There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe. No chance of bringing anything to wife that way at all. I know I am rambling here but I'm just curious to what you older guys feel about this since a lot of you all have been there done that. Also, I want to put out that I am a strong advocate of marriage so I don't wish to talk about marriage being a waste of time. It isn't. If ones desires a solid family with kids then marriage is the only way. Period.[/QUOTE]
LL, I am curious, you state that you are young, when do you expect to retire?

IMHO, my thinking changed a lot when I was 20, 30 and 40. So if you are looking at 20 years to retirement your thinking and your life will be different.

Robb

[QUOTE=Dveight]A hand job, with gloves doesn't sound like fun to me, but hey to each is his own. I sure wouldnt pay much to get a "sterile" hand job.[/QUOTE]Think of a Filipina with long hair... 5ft 4 and maybe 100 pounds max.

Now think of her naked with lhigh heeled eather boots that extend above her knees.
Now think of her, with long satin gloves on..the kind that go almsot up to the armpit.
Now think of the handjob.

This is what I get every visit to Manila when my friend from Pampanga comes to visit me. And I get it all on video. And of course , its free. Sounds a little better?

i like all the information that is shared here, especially the last couple of days. a couple of notes i have to share.

i use the websites to meet both good and fun/sexy girls. i usually try to meet the nice girls and then fill in my available time slots with fun/sexy girls.
in my opinion cb is the best site to meet real girls, that you wound want long term relationship with. it takes more effort from the scamers to get by the cb rules and they gave a great search tool and allow many different pictures.

fp is similar to cb, but does not have as much rules, so it it is easier for ladyboys, ****, and fake profiles to get by the screening process.
dia is a total free for all. since it cost no money, there are many scammers who have many diferent profiles. there are many ladyboys and they are actually welcomed there. (go to the "last active" section, it shows you about 75 current girls online. notice how the quality of girls goes down during the philippines late nights, you will notice that is when the ladyboys and hookers hang out.)

dia also only allows 1 picture, so it is harder to judge the looks of the girl.
good thing about dia is you also can easily set up a 2nd profile, to test the sincerity of some of the girls.use one profile to tell her you love kids, the other profile you say you hate kids, see how she reacts.

regarding tagalog ---my first 3 trips to the philippines, i did not know one word of tagalog. i never needed it, i was able to communicate with everyone.

just before my 4th trip, i started studying tagalog. outside of manila, it is rarely used between pinays and their friends. so if you think you can "ease drop" when they are talking in front of you, it is a waste of time as they will most likely be speaking the local language.
however, i have noticed that it grabs the girls attention if you drop in a tagalog word now and then. it shows the girls you really are interested in meeting a pinay, and not just some dude masturbating in his parents basement.

i have both pinsular and roseta stone. rs is much more interactive, you learn much faster. it even has a great speech recognition option, you don't need a special mic or headphones, just a regular laptop works fine.
the pinsular program just has you repeating the spoken words and gets boring very fast.
the programs are expensive, but just have the neighborhood geek download you a copy for some gas money.

[QUOTE=Robbaf]LL, I am curious, you state that you are young, when do you expect to retire?

IMHO, my thinking changed a lot when I was 20, 30 and 40. So if you are looking at 20 years to retirement your thinking and your life will be different.

Robb[/QUOTE]
I have quite a bit of money saved up. It's a lot in my opinion at least. I have about $70,000. I plan on starting a farm there and living off the land so no need to work much after I get to that stage.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Think of a Filipina with long hair... 5ft 4 and maybe 100 pounds max.

Now think of her naked with lhigh heeled eather boots that extend above her knees.
Now think of her, with long satin gloves on..the kind that go almsot up to the armpit.
Now think of the handjob.

This is what I get every visit to Manila when my friend from Pampanga comes to visit me. And I get it all on video. And of course , its free. Sounds a little better?[/QUOTE]
Man, HELL YES!! That is what I'm talking about. I'm not sure if you're married to filipina but if you are then that's the way to do it!! Get yourself a sexy one and dress her up the way you want and then get a hand job while playing with her beautiful young body. That way it is totally safe and you're not cheating on your spouse. Excellent, FreebieFan!

[QUOTE=Dveight]
A hand job, with gloves doesn't sound like fun to me, but hey to each is his own. I sure wouldnt pay much to get a "sterile" hand job.
[/QUOTE]

Had an immediate flashback to "Animal House" as the cheerleader is jacking off the ROTC guy and she asks "Isn't it supposed to get hard".

Slim

Hi

I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

2) Dentist - I'd like to get my teeth whitened. I've had some recommendations for places in BKK. Anything in PH that people would recommend?

3) Tailor - I want to buy some tailored shirts. Again, I know of places in BKK but would be interested in people's opinions on whether PH might be a better place.

Many thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]Man, HELL YES!! That is what I'm talking about. I'm not sure if you're married to filipina but if you are then that's the way to do it!! Get yourself a sexy one and dress her up the way you want and then get a hand job while playing with her beautiful young body. That way it is totally safe and you're not cheating on your spouse. Excellent, FreebieFan![/QUOTE]Well yes and no.

This delightful scene that I described generally happens after about 3 hours of sweaty noisy and wonderful coupling. Takes me a long time to come, so my little dressed up friends efforts are at the end.. not the begininng...lol.

The question of cheating is of course wonderfully interesting.
Is it cheating to look at a girl and wonder how she is naked. We all do this.
Is it cheating to have online chats with a girl
Is it cheating to belong to such a site as here
Is a HJ cheating
Is a blow cheating or just " recreational"
Is sex without love cheating as in the cliche " it didnt mean anything"

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Think of a Filipina with long hair... 5ft 4 and maybe 100 pounds max.

Now think of her naked with lhigh heeled eather boots that extend above her knees.
Now think of her, with long satin gloves on..the kind that go almsot up to the armpit.
Now think of the handjob.

This is what I get every visit to Manila when my friend from Pampanga comes to visit me. And I get it all on video. And of course , its free. Sounds a little better?[/QUOTE]

For free, I sure wouldn't turn it down, but I'd like the story a lot better, if it ended with her bouncing up and down on me, instead of just jacking me off.

[QUOTE=Artful]
I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

2) Dentist - I'd like to get my teeth whitened. I've had some recommendations for places in BKK. Anything in PH that people would recommend?

3) Tailor - I want to buy some tailored shirts. Again, I know of places in BKK but would be interested in people's opinions on whether PH might be a better place.[/QUOTE]Hey Art,

1) Drugs - not officially - you need a scrip. You can get antibiotics and many other drugs without, but definitely not sleeping pills, at least at large franchises such as Mercury and Generic Drug. A small, neighborhood pharmacy just might supply you without a scrip but it would be hit and miss and would involve trying a few.

2) I find that there are some good dentists in The Philippines but a lot of substandard ones (often quaintly called lady dentists as most are female here). Most of the work I have had done locally has been pretty shoddy and not lasted so I tend to wait until I hit Thailand for dental work where the standards are much higher. Saying that, if you just required some cosmetic work, you could safely get that done here but I believe it is cheaper in Thailand.

3) Get your tailoring done in Bangkok. The prices and quality are much better. I recommend Max Tinos on the second floor of Panthip Plaza. I have had my shirts made there for over twenty years anf the quality and service is second to none.

[QUOTE=Artful]Hi

I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

2) Dentist - I'd like to get my teeth whitened. I've had some recommendations for places in BKK. Anything in PH that people would recommend?

3) Tailor - I want to buy some tailored shirts. Again, I know of places in BKK but would be interested in people's opinions on whether PH might be a better place.

Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I tried at least 10 drug stores asking for sleeping pills, they had never heard of Exedrin PM, Simply Sleep. They only had some useless herbal shit. Just get one of those bottles of 50 pills from Wallmart. No way on the Xanax even with with a prescription from a doctor in Davao, I could not buy any in Manila. I had to visit the doctors office in Manila, it was cheap, but took 4 hours.

I always get my dentist work done in Manila. The money I save on the crowns alone pays for the airfare. Not sure about the tooth whitening. The prices looked high in Manila because they use the same equipment as the US. There are many dental sites online from Manila.

Just in case your mini-tour includes Phnom Penh, you can get Alprazolam (Xanax) OTC. Whatever quantity you want, from pharmacies on Monivong Blvd.

Careful travelling with them without a valid prescription. It is classified as a controlled substance and so stated in the list of illegal drugs at HK checkpoints.

[QUOTE=Artful]Hi

I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]
The question of cheating is of course wonderfully interesting.
Is it cheating to look at a girl and wonder how she is naked. We all do this.
Is it cheating to have online chats with a girl
Is it cheating to belong to such a site as here
Is a HJ cheating
Is a blow cheating or just " recreational"
Is sex without love cheating as in the cliche " it didnt mean anything"[/QUOTE]
I think girls worry about two things. The first would be losing their stability which means losing their breadwinner. The second thing would be catching some kind of disease. Personally, I don't think casual sex is cheating if it didn't mean anything but I think it is up to each individual. One has to be convinced in his own mind that it is ok because if not then it will eat you inside forever and ever. I have convinced myself regarding the cheating part but I don't think I can gamble the health of my family and myself for pussy. At least not at this point in my life. Robbaf made an excellent point when he stated that as we age, our wants/desires and needs can change. I believe what I fret about now (diseases) will be less important as I age, my kids become adults, and my wife becomes an old baket. (ilocano word for 'old woman')

i read this report by mr. bowie last week. i have used filipina heart since 2005 and recently tried dia (urghhhhh).
based on his observation, i decided to give cherry blossums a try.

you need to know i am looking for a wife, not a fuck-fest.

i found cherry blossums to be exceptional in the quality of people i am meeting. there are alot of nurses on this site and i have a great love of nurses because we get along so well. was engaged to a nurse in usa in 1984. best relationship i ever had. i also met some nice engineers in case you have a different fetish...lol.

cb is probably the worst place to look for a 1-nighter.

i've already connected online with 2 nurses who have visas to the us, so their motives are much less suspect. they don't need me to get here. oh btw, i am 54 and they are 33 & 27 respectively. they seem genuinely interested in finding a good husband. one even offered to pay for her plane ticket; hard to argue with that. (i am a victim of the recession).

i have been fooled before so only time will tell if my first impressions are correct. anyway, for now i say thanks to mr. bowie.

bob


[quote=bob bowie]i like all the information that is shared here, especially the last couple of days. a couple of notes i have to share.

i use the websites to meet both good and fun/sexy girls. i usually try to meet the nice girls and then fill in my available time slots with fun/sexy girls.
in my opinion cb is the best site to meet real girls, that you wound want long term relationship with. it takes more effort from the scamers to get by the cb rules and they gave a great search tool and allow many different pictures.

fp is similar to cb, but does not have as much rules, so it it is easier for ladyboys, ****, and fake profiles to get by the screening process.
dia is a total free for all. since it cost no money, there are many scammers who have many diferent profiles. there are many ladyboys and they are actually welcomed there. (go to the "last active" section, it shows you about 75 current girls online. notice how the quality of girls goes down during the philippines late nights, you will notice that is when the ladyboys and hookers hang out.)

dia also only allows 1 picture, so it is harder to judge the looks of the girl.
good thing about dia is you also can easily set up a 2nd profile, to test the sincerity of some of the girls.use one profile to tell her you love kids, the other profile you say you hate kids, see how she reacts.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Towelboy2010]CB is probably the worst place to look for a 1-nighter.[/QUOTE]

Good for you and good luck to you seriously.

However every girl I meet on CB I had sex with the first night. So it is a place to get one nighters or long term relationships. CB I agree I had to put more work into chatting up some girls then DIA but I think everyone on CB I nailed within a few minutes of meeting them face to face.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]I have quite a bit of money saved up. It's a lot in my opinion at least. I have about $70,000. I plan on starting a farm there and living off the land so no need to work much after I get to that stage.
[/QUOTE]

You know it will mostly be in your wife's name for that farm, right? And when were you thinking of retiring? $70k is a good start, but it really isnt anything close to what you'll need for retirement.

[QUOTE=Blackangst]You know it will mostly be in your wife's name for that farm, right? And when were you thinking of retiring? $70k is a good start, but it really isnt anything close to what you'll need for retirement.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know it will be in her name. Nothing I can do about that really so it's ok. Regarding $70k not being anything close to what I'll need for retirement, what extra costs are you referring to or what am I overlooking/underestimating?? I thought $70k would be plenty enough for land and a house in the provinces not the city but do please correct/clarify if I maybe am mistaken.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]Yeah I know it will be in her name. Nothing I can do about that really so it's ok. Regarding $70k not being anything close to what I'll need for retirement, what extra costs are you referring to or what am I overlooking/underestimating?? I thought $70k would be plenty enough for land and a house in the provinces not the city but do please correct/clarify if I maybe am mistaken.[/QUOTE]

There is a contracted pilot for the US govt in a military installation who had a filipina wife, divorced but they have a daughter. He put land and a mango plantation in the daughters name. He is still working for years and years to supplement the farm, and family and such. His plans sound same as yours but he never so far has been able to retire and he does have a large plantation and they do sell a lot.

Good luck, but depending on your age and your needs... 70 K to live off the land isn't a lot, IF you don't have other income coming in. If you had retirement funds or other things coming in monthly then OK maybe... but 70 K alone I personally do not think it is enough.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Good luck, but depending on your age and your needs... 70 K to live off the land isn't a lot, IF you don't have other income coming in. If you had retirement funds or other things coming in monthly then OK maybe... but 70 K alone I personally do not think it is enough.[/QUOTE]I see 70K as a very small amount. Theres the cost of a car and its upkeep, other transportation (vacations), medical, food and drinks, nights out, golf?, clothing, etcetc. The list of things that we actually spend money on is quite long.

I really see this as much too small to live on, especially as the older we get, the less we are able to generate funds. My conservative estimates states I need at least 10 times that amount. And yes I relaise we all have different needs.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]Yeah I know it will be in her name. Nothing I can do about that really so it's ok. Regarding $70k not being anything close to what I'll need for retirement, what extra costs are you referring to or what am I overlooking/underestimating?? I thought $70k would be plenty enough for land and a house in the provinces not the city but do please correct/clarify if I maybe am mistaken.[/QUOTE]
$70k is sufficient for a house and land. I think what the other guys were referring to is how you're going to live once you buy the house and land? The costs of food, clothes, medical care, transportation. furnishings and just "stuff," mount up pretty quickly.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough].......The costs of food, clothes, medical care, transportation. Furnishings and just "stuff," mount up pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
but these one would have anyhow and anywhere.
On this, we have to say, Asia (Philippines, Thailand etc ) is pretty much cheap compared to our mother countries (Europe, USA).
I think that we moderate attention one cna be rich in Asia with what appears to be poor level in western countries.
Only exception could be health care, but that depends also much on the scheme one has in his motherland. Can be pretty expensive there too.
Since people is making a decent living (have to, based on salaries that one cannot control or dictate much these days) with monthly working incomes around 1,000€ in Europe. I reckon the same monthly income (a pension? as one retires at that stage in life) can put the guy in a high level of the list.

Last but not least as somebody mentioned the property will be in "her name" (ie local girl/woman)
Very true there is a risk in that, but also very true you willnot take the property in the grave when, after 50 years, :) , you will leave this world.
It all depends if the girl does not want to wait FOR 50 years. Then, never give her your back with a knife around!
Seriously speaking at some point trust has to be there.
On the other hand as one wants to re-settle in Asia etc, it also means he does not have much personal links left back home in his motherland. So he can account the house (70k) are "lost" (once he passes away after the famous 50 yrs) but he also does not have anybody back home to get them too...

Does anybody have any experience with or know anybody that has a TESOL certificate? I know the pay isn't high but maybe as an income supplement and something to keep one's self busy it could be worthwhile? The requirements don't seem great and the cost seems reasonable to get the certificate. Yes, the Filipinos generally speak passable english but some would like to have advanced lessons before going overseas, working at call centers, or for business, etc. I understand the "rich kids" sometimes get private tutors.

Also, if any of you guys have experience with the TESOL in other countries I would appreciate your thoughts on the subject. Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Southbound69]I understand the "rich kids" sometimes get private tutors.
[/QUOTE]I don't know about teaching possibilities but it's also a fact that large numbers of Koreans come to the PH to study English.

Best of luck.

[QUOTE=Southbound69]Does anybody have any experience with or know anybody that has a TESOL certificate? I know the pay isn't high but maybe as an income supplement and something to keep one's self busy it could be worthwhile? The requirements don't seem great and the cost seems reasonable to get the certificate. Yes, the Filipinos generally speak passable english but some would like to have advanced lessons before going overseas, working at call centers, or for business, etc. I understand the "rich kids" sometimes get private tutors.

Also, if any of you guys have experience with the TESOL in other countries I would appreciate your thoughts on the subject. Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]
Try ajarn.com

[QUOTE=Southbound69]
Also, if any of you guys have experience with the TESOL in other countries I would appreciate your thoughts on the subject. Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]

Don't know about TESOL but I did the TEFL course a few years back. It was, without doubt, the hardest, most intensive course I have ever completed and I've done a few.

You would starve to death if you relied on teaching English to wealthy Filipino kids. In middle/upper class households, English is often the first language, as well as being the lingua franca of education over here, so these kids speak excellent English.

The kids to target are those of the large Manila based Korean community, who often require intensive one on one tuition prior to enrolling in mainstream schools or colleges.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Good for you and good luck to you seriously.

However every girl I meet on CB I had sex with the first night. So it is a place to get one nighters or long term relationships. CB I agree I had to put more work into chatting up some girls then DIA but I think everyone on CB I nailed within a few minutes of meeting them face to face.[/QUOTE]

Tansak..........why doe this not surprise me knowing you as I do :D

The only issue is how to get 2 CB/DIA girls who have never met in the same room at same time and nail them .......a challneg but one am sure we could take on...

Seriously, I gave up with CB sometime ago as found DIA more fruitful....Cebu girl who you met in the Dusit at Xmas, is DIA (well was - she has stopped her profile now since meeting me.....am not surprised as I have this impact on the girls :D)

Am due Manila in March or April so hope to catch you in the Dusit again

I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!!

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Tansak..........why doe this not surprise me knowing you as I do :D

The only issue is how to get 2 CB/DIA girls who have never met in the same room at same time and nail them .......a challneg but one am sure we could take on...

Seriously, I gave up with CB sometime ago as found DIA more fruitful....Cebu girl who you met in the Dusit at Xmas, is DIA (well was - she has stopped her profile now since meeting me.....am not surprised as I have this impact on the girls :D)

Am due Manila in March or April so hope to catch you in the Dusit again[/QUOTE]

DIA is OK depending on your profiles and what your aim (type of profile) is. On the DIA side I did get the two girls together who did not know each other before, of course one was handcuffed naked in bed when the other arrived ;)

CB for me however was much more GFE, I got some really long term relationships out of CB. So I'm up for both but like you, my stable is too full so I also gave up CB.

March / April... just so happens I'll be back in Makati and Thailand during both months...

[QUOTE=Towelboy2010 Partially Wrote:]I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.[/QUOTE]

Personally, I wouldn't pay her anything, but..............

Tell her you will pay her the amount of her return ticket, after her visit with you. If all goes well, and she is what she says, she will get the money, and much more.

If she is a scammer, she gets the boot, with nothing out of pocket................

Health & happiness to all...............

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Don't know about TESOL but I did the TEFL course a few years back. It was, without doubt, the hardest, most intensive course I have ever completed and I've done a few.

You would starve to death if you relied on teaching English to wealthy Filipino kids. In middle/upper class households, English is often the first language, as well as being the lingua franca of education over here, so these kids speak excellent English.

The kids to target are those of the large Manila based Korean community, who often require intensive one on one tuition prior to enrolling in mainstream schools or colleges.[/QUOTE]


I have been actively involved with TESOL for over 20 years in Japan (JALT), Korea (KOTESOL), Thailand (ThaiTESOL), and Taiwan (ETAROC) and am now based here for one year while on a research leave from my university in another country.

I would agree with CS that trying to make a living teaching kids from wealthy families will probably be a non-started for the reason he pointed out. I also agree that your best bet is to target language schools and colleges (and perhaps universities if you have an MA) that cater to Korean students. The pay will most likely be much lower than you would expect elsewhere, but it would be survivable if you can get enough work. If you're interested in SE Asia, Thailand would be a better bet, though the Thais have become much stricter about working visas.

Mantaray

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
On the DIA side I did get the two girls together who did not know each other before, of course one was handcuffed naked in bed when the other arrived ;)

So I'm up for both but like you, my stable is too full so I also gave up CB.

March / April... just so happens I'll be back in Makati and Thailand during both months...[/QUOTE]
Tansak :D

We both take accessories for our trips to Asia :D Always the first things I pack when I going to Makati LOL

Never been stopped and asked why I have handcuffs and various and assoted toys and bondage gear in my bag ...one day maybe and if i say for personal use hope they dont as for a demonstration :)

Thing with the stable is you need to cull at times as it gets too much but if you find some who are kinky enough (in my case an important factor) and reliable...as well as like old fat bald buggers like me :) then the cull is always easier

See you in Makati my friend...

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Tansak :D

Never been stopped and asked why I have handcuffs and various and assoted toys and bondage gear in my bag ...one day maybe and if i say for personal use hope they dont as for a demonstration :)

See you in Makati my friend...[/QUOTE]The safer, more discreet alternative to handcuffs are the 15 inch plastic ties that are self adjusting. Available in all hardware stores including Ace Hardwares in Manila lol.

Users need to remember to bring a pair of scissors tho to cut the girl loose, after use.

I too am looking for a wife and while I am very new to this site, I am not new to the Philippines and the type of women there. I think you have answered your own questions and suspicions. Too many strange things going on with this girl you have found. I would try th eone way ticket thing to see what she says, even though you won't be able to do that with the way security is now. She will most likely play with your head on this one and make you feel as though you are bad cause you don't trust her. Move on from this one!

[QUOTE=Towelboy2010]I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Towelboy2010]I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!![/QUOTE]

solely on what you have told us to date Id estimate 75% chance scam 25% serious. more due diligence required

[QUOTE=Artful]Hi

I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

2) Dentist - I'd like to get my teeth whitened. I've had some recommendations for places in BKK. Anything in PH that people would recommend?

3) Tailor - I want to buy some tailored shirts. Again, I know of places in BKK but would be interested in people's opinions on whether PH might be a better place.

Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

1) difficult in the PH but exceedingly easy in Thailand.
2) they have really some very good dentists in the PH but you need to find them as the quality can greatly vary. You will need to get a private practitioners.
3) definitely Thailand, doesn't even compare with PH.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]The safer, more discreet alternative to handcuffs are the 15 inch plastic ties that are self adjusting. Available in all hardware stores including Ace Hardwares in Manila lol.

Users need to remember to bring a pair of scissors tho to cut the girl loose, after use.[/QUOTE]
True FF and a good idea but will I remember the scissors....or ask the hotel to pop up and provide :D Reminds of a good mongering mate whose wife did this to him to stop him enjoying the delights of Manila while she slept after a long flight 9she is a long and deep sleeper he claims)...the idiot fell asleep himself

Well FF, another interesting discussion with you on accessories....must meet and swap stories/accessories....or use in a nice foursome ...just got to get the diaries sorted :D

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]The safer, more discreet alternative to handcuffs are the 15 inch plastic ties that are self adjusting. Available in all hardware stores including Ace Hardwares in Manila lol.

Users need to remember to bring a pair of scissors tho to cut the girl loose, after use.[/QUOTE]

Respect your posts but on this issue I gotta disagree.... they can bind and cut and cause pain to the girl depending how wild we are getting. Plus if the girl is learning... new... not fully into this sport... not 100% trusting of you yet the plastic cuffs can freak them out as well as hurt them.

Best is that I use a neoprene handcuff set (hands, ankle, can attach to bed in spread eagle or hog tie, arms to neck, arms to thigh etc...) that has straps and plastic clips etc... Has endless possibilities. Can even adapt to be used in certain situations on balconies and such. Are comfortable for the girl and in my experience using them not as intimidating as the plastic straps or handcuffs. For girls that are full bore into SM and want the experiences then different gear is needed as you develop your relationships and tastes.

The neoprene gear with plastic clips will not set off xray alarms and when asked at check points I explain they are fitness (work out) items to stay in shape while travelling. Which is true, nothing better then sexercise.... And it does look plausible as work out items.

Went with a leg / arm spreader recently that has a metal adjustable pole also and that as well was explained and accepted as fitness material. The full arm bondage from hands up to shoulders for behind the back in leather and a lot of metal hooks was a lot harder to explain so stopped that one as well as some other items.

Pocket Rockets are easy to get through and justify.

Funny story was going from BKK to Hanoi in November, a smart ass know it all airport checker went through my liquids carry on, one was an unmarked bottle of wet lube (like KY), standing around me was a bunch of female checkers and my rent a wife I was taking with me... and he asked what it was, I told massage oil. He smelled it, then proceeded to rub it all over his arms.... This pissed me off so I said, "sir, massage oil for females ass for use before i have anal sex with them not for your arms" The female checkers and my rent a wife died laughing at him and he got a little upset with me for some reason ;)

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]The safer, more discreet alternative to handcuffs are the 15 inch plastic ties that are self adjusting. Available in all hardware stores including Ace Hardwares in Manila lol.

Users need to remember to bring a pair of scissors tho to cut the girl loose, after use.[/QUOTE]If you are into the look and convenience of disposable plastic restraints but would like to go without the possible disadvantages to the girls' well-being mentioned by Tansak KTV, you may want to consider Tuff-Ties. Similar principle but made of Nylon braids:

[url]http://www.tufftie.com/[/url]

They are not necessarily more expensive than the (professional) plastic restraints but most likely cost a bit more than your local hardware store version (which probably doesn't even have rounded edges).

Still, not that much for the discerning hobbyist:

[url]http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/tufdishanres.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Towelboy2010]She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket.
Thanks!!![/QUOTE]
You should know that PI nationals do not get tourist visas. They are required to show significant assets in the bank or in property and how mmy can do that and if they can they don't need you. If she shows up there she is prob engaged or married and arrived on one of those visas. Perhaps she is my ex.

[QUOTE=Towelboy2010]I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!![/QUOTE]

My observations:

1) If you are looking for a wife from the Philippines, you should come here to meet her before sending money. Dating sites are not e-bay.

2) I've never heard of a PERMANENT U.S. tourist visa and for a Filipina to get any tourist visa to the U.S. it is a long and difficult process. I've never heard of the U.S. issueing a tourist visa without knowing the address of intended stay, purpose of visit, etc. Tell her, you need a copy of the tourist visa to book the ticket. Further you need a copy of her passport, have them PDF to you. Tell her to include all entry and departure stamps in the passport. That will tell you the world and if a scam, you will never see any of this.

3)She may be older than 29, in itself a girl lying about her age, is a white lie, no? But if you get her passport you will know.

4) It seems a lot of Filipina have foreign boyfriends that died. Is this just my observation???

5) Not having a mailing address, in and of itself is not unusual here. There is poverty here unlike the U.S., if you see how many (and good people at that) live, you would understand why they don't receive mail.

6) Written English is not so easy for even the educated Filipina. Trying to be generous, she may be looking for a husband much as you are looking for a wife, and has prepared an opening introduction to prospective mates. In itself does not mean she is a scammer.

7) I find it unusual she is pressing you to come to the U.S., this is the biggest red flag in all you've written. A "good" girl is no different than dating anywhere else. I could understand her pressing you to come and meet her family here, once the relationship develops, taking it further. But "I love you" buy me an airplane ticket, is not really the nature of girls here (the good one's).

8) You are correct, even assuming she has a visa, which I doubt, she will be required to have a return ticket. In fact the airline companies won't even book a one way ticket or even an open return ticket. But to your other question, it is entirely possible to get a non-refundable, use by only named, ticket, with set dates for departure and return. What I don't think you can get is to book a ticket in the U.S. for initial departure from the Philippines. I think most airlines require you to book the ticket in the country of initial departure. Once you start booking in the Philippines--meaning send the money there, whether a ticket is ever issued is debatable. But any legitimate booking is going to require your having her passport and visa to book.

Strongly suggest you come to PH, meet the girl, see if there is chemistry, then decide on going further. If you are just trying to save money, cheaper to pay one half fare for 15 days of sex, rather than the expense of a vacation, then you pay your money and take your chances. If you are really serious in finding a wife, suggest you spend a little, take a little time and make an investment in your future.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]He put land and a mango plantation in the daughters name.[/QUOTE]
yeah that’s an darn good option later on down the line. my baby wouldn’t kick me off the land no matter what.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]His plans sound same as yours but he never so far has been able to retire and he does have a large plantation and they do sell a lot.[/QUOTE]
I wonder how big is plantation is. I’m looking for something like 40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces.
[QUOTE=Bionicman]Seriously speaking at some point trust has to be there.[/QUOTE]
well my wife is a local filipina girl here in the usa. a usa citizen from birth. trust isn’t a problem between us not that her citizenship has anything to do with it but i’m just saying.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]I wonder how big is plantation is. I’m looking for something like 40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces.[/QUOTE]

I deal in these types of things a lot due to my work. People think if we grow it then we can sell it. It's not that easy. You secure the market first then you grow it. Unfortunately a main part of my job in SEA is works in development and I've seen a lot of issues that you are not considering.

Basically what we are all seem to be telling you in our own opinions from living / working / etc... in SEA, 70 K is not enough, you want to build a hut and grow food and eat it and do nothing else then OK maybe. But you should have a lot more, and you should keep or get a side job or something that has money coming in that will pay bills.

I love your spirit, your goals and your quest for independence... but dude... there's a lot out there you are not considering. A very wise man who family is very successful in business in province, manila, NYC, San Fran, and into politics told me point blank, the only way a foreigner will make a million dollars in his province in the Philippines is if he shows up and starts with 10 million... (if you don't understand this, he was saying they'll (the local filipino's) take 9 million but be nice and leave 1 million with the foreigner).

Don't think your wife because she is filipina will insulate you against some issues. If anything it could create more issues for you. Have you been to PI? Have you looked at operations. I believe there is money to be made in PI but you gotta have money to make the money there and usually connections or something else to get started and going. And once you are going someone usually wants to tear you down.

Good Luck...

[QUOTE=Laylow3]yeah that’s an darn good option later on down the line. my baby wouldn’t kick me off the land no matter what.

I wonder how big is plantation is. I’m looking for something like 40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces.

well my wife is a local filipina girl here in the usa. a usa citizen from birth. trust isn’t a problem between us not that her citizenship has anything to do with it but i’m just saying.[/QUOTE]Read your back-posts on this. Have an idea or 2.

First, hold on to your cash. Cash is King and you don't wanna be incountry pennyless, ever.

You say, "40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces. "
What province do you speak of?

On Negros, a 'plantation' means hacienda and hacienda means sugar cane.
Price of sugar is sky high.

Planting mango? Takes over 10 years to start getting yields.

Rice land ain't cheap.

My advice is go slow. Move where your wife's people are. Be very humble, don't flash cash.
Outside of Louzon, Tagalog speakers aren't liked. People think they're stuck-up.
First thing to cultivate is trust with the locals, goodwill.
Go to church, don't be drunk in public, never chase the local girls.

The way the local Pinoy gentleman farmers build wealth over time is simple:
A little bit of this; A little bit of that.

Say mangos. Lease a producing tract, an acre or 2.
Move some of your wife's family on the plot. Fence it, put some hogs on it.

A small rice tract, same thing.

Fish pond, then a market stall, maybe a reunion place.

At your home compound, start producing copra, small livestock.

Step into it over 5-10 years.

Over time, people will come to you. The small tract of rice turns into several. Fishpond gets bigger.
Buy a multi-til/thresher, a rice mill for custom work. Rent out pumps.

At some point a family leasing to you will run into money trouble and will offer you the land for sale at fair market, or less.

When you buy the land, Finance thru the land bank. You'll get the loan because you're a godfearing productive member of the community.
And, no doubt a member of the same Rotary or CoC as the bank manager.
Remember, cash is king. Hold on to it.
Other reasons to finance is someday you may need revolving credit.
But when buying land, one axiom never to forget is,
'Never become worth more dead than alive."

Buy the land with your wife co-sign. Lease it back to yourself in your name.
People will know its mortgaged.

Sure, you trust your wife. But you can't tempt her dumb 3ed cousin into thinking if he wacks both of you, he'll get the fishpond.

That I believe this is how it is done.

On a different note. Was up in Mountain Province last year.
They grow beautiful cooler weather stuff.
They also grow bettlenut. That crop is heavy cash.
I hung at a buyers shack and for 'bout a 4 gallon can, he'd pay 1000-1500p depending on quality.
That's very good money in the Phills.

Good Luck,

ratz

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]

Best is that I use a neoprene handcuff set (hands, ankle, can attach to bed in spread eagle or hog tie, arms to neck, arms to thigh etc...) that has straps and plastic clips etc... Has endless possibilities. Can even adapt to be used in certain situations on balconies and such. Are comfortable for the girl and in my experience using them not as intimidating as the plastic straps or handcuffs. For girls that are full bore into SM and want the experiences then different gear is needed as you develop your relationships and tastes.

Funny story .... This pissed me off so I said, "sir, massage oil for females ass for use before i have anal sex with them not for your arms" The female checkers and my rent a wife died laughing at him and he got a little upset with me for some reason ;)[/QUOTE]
Tansak

Have already got some neoprene following our discussions a while back.....perfect for Cebu girl but she does like her handcuffs as she is getting a tad 'harder' in her BDSM needs.....well ama good teacher :D

Be thankful the guy did not ask you for a personal demonstration of the lube ..on you :D Cetainly in the Middle East there could be a good chance of finding a new 'playmate'...:) There is a funny7 story about a gay policeman but best left for when we meet.

See you soon!

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I've seen a lot of issues that you are not considering.

Basically what we are all seem to be telling you in our own opinions from living / working / etc... in SEA, 70 K is not enough, you want to build a hut and grow food and eat it and do nothing else then OK maybe. But you should have a lot more, and you should keep or get a side job or something that has money coming in that will pay bills.

I love your spirit, your goals and your quest for independence... but dude... there's a lot out there you are not considering. And once you are going someone usually wants to tear you down.

Good Luck...[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's all I want to do is have a house, grow food on it, and live as self-sufficiently as I possibly can. Hopefully nothing that will cost a lot or recurring bills. (except for the continual sex with the bargirls....) My plan is for it to be totally off-the-grid and self-sustainable. I plan on modeling my farm after some farms I have seen on the Big Island in Hawai'i and other places I've traveled. That's where my motivation comes from. I have seen with my own eyes people who live off the land comfortably with no income. I am grateful to be getting some feedback here from you guys because I definitely need it. All my filipino friends here have been telling me to just go there already, buy the land, and start being a farmer. Good intentions but I know it's not THAT easy and you all are working professionals and can offer a much better picture of the difficulties I might potentially run into. Please keep them coming! :)

but ultimately, if others can live off the grid completely then so can I. I just have to have a good plan that's all.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]A very wise man who family is very successful in business in province, manila, NYC, San Fran, and into politics told me point blank, the only way a foreigner will make a million dollars in his province in the Philippines is if he shows up and starts with 10 million... (if you don't understand this, he was saying they'll (the local filipino's) take 9 million but be nice and leave 1 million with the foreigner)[/QUOTE]
I am definitely NOT moving to the PI with the intent of making money at all. I'm going there because I want to be all by myself and have sex with bargirls until I croak. Those are the only two reasons. I was considering just moving back to my hometown which is very much a farm community with land available (but kinda expensive at $5-6K an acre) but of course there would be no cheap hot bargirls to fuck easily.

So, it seems you all concur that with the intent to be a farmer ONLY with a house then $70K is fine. (that would include frequent sex w/ bargirls as time permits when not on the farm or busy w/ family matters) Sounds good then. Now Ratszo inquired about which province I was considering settling down at. I don't really know. This is where I could really use you all's help. I am sure there is farm land in the P.I. available at the price I want but I don't know how to find it. I've spoken with my filipino friends here and they say that land in the province isn't sold online or commercially. It is sold by word of mouth or via friends. So, how in the hell do I find the land I'm looking for from my location here in the USA? My friends also told that if I see land on the internet automatically that means it is marked up waayy above what it's worth and that I should get my wife to purchase it there in the P.I. definitely. This is all confusing and I am having NO luck finding any info on the web. What are you guys experience and advice regarding this??

I don't know if anyone has told you this yet, but on the off chance they haven't, among your other difficulties will be the fact that you cannot own land here. Your only alternative--or at least the only alternative that occurs to me--is to purchase land in the name of a local, and that is fraught with risks too numerous to mention at this early hour of the morning. You can own a house, but you cannot own the land on which it sits or the surrounding farmland.

Remember too that you will have no legal protection whatsoever. The legal system here is, to be kind, non-functional, particularly for foreigners so you will always be at risk of someone taking what you think you have away from you. The only expat farmers that I know of here own farms in the names of their wives--but you don't seem to want a wife so this option probably will not work for you.

I don't want to rain on your parade, and I understand and admire what you want to do, but I'm not sure this is the best place to do it.

GE

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Tansak

Have already got some neoprene following our discussions a while back.....perfect for Cebu girl but she does like her handcuffs as she is getting a tad 'harder' in her BDSM needs.....well ama good teacher :D[/QUOTE]

I did state, as your sport and trust grows then you do need to add more extensive gear. For example one lady I am with won't be put into anything unless it is full leather as she loves the feel of leather.

But to start out a lady, and for inspection issues in our home areas... neoprene is a good starter system. For custom work if you get a basic set and are creative you can go to your local scuba store, they have webbing and clips and hooks and you can make your own unique gear to go with the items you purchase on line.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]well my wife is a local filipina girl here in the usa. a usa citizen from birth. trust isn’t a problem between us not that her citizenship has anything to do with it but i’m just saying.[/QUOTE]
I also think if your wife is a natural born US citizen, she can't own land in the Philippines.
Robb

[QUOTE=Robbaf]I also think if your wife is a natural born US citizen, she can't own land in the Philippines.
Robb[/QUOTE]

You sure? filipina's / filipino's born in usa can inherit the land of their parents and I know many born in USA that own land (or so it appears and I think and as I see it). Being born in USA makes you a US Citizen. I know a ton of people born, raised, live in Guam (true it is a territory) that own land in PI but also some from San Fran and NYC.

The qty of of people on the plane with me with dual US / Philippines passports is outrageous. Plus a person I know gave a local church a donation on got a baptism or such report for his ID cards / passports and he was NOT from that area. You and GE and others have more knowledge on legalities then I do but I'm "seeing" something that appears to go against this statement.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]You sure? filipina's / filipino's born in usa can inherit the land of their parents and I know many born in USA that own land (or so it appears and I think and as I see it). Being born in USA makes you a US Citizen. I know a ton of people born, raised, live in Guam (true it is a territory) that own land in PI but also some from San Fran and NYC.

The qty of of people on the plane with me with dual US / Philippines passports is outrageous. Plus a person I know gave a local church a donation on got a baptism or such report for his ID cards / passports and he was NOT from that area. You and GE and others have more knowledge on legalities then I do but I'm "seeing" something that appears to go against this statement.[/QUOTE]
Yes you are correct, they can inherit land, but cannot legally buy land.

[url]http://realestatecagayan.com/faqs.php[/url]

Question #5:When my children were born, I was already an American citizen. Can they inherit my land in the Philippines?

Yes. Foreign nationals (even if they were not former natural-born Philippine citizens) can own land in the Philippines if they acquire it by inheritance. These nationals should, however, inherit the property by intestate succession. Intestate succession means that the foreign national inherits the property because he/she is an heir under Philippine law. Naming one’s heir by executing a “last Will and Testament” or a “Living Will” will not work to validly transfer real property in the Philippines to a foreign national.

I also lived on Guam for nine years and understand what you are saying about the dual citizenship:(

Robb

Man, youve got some obsicles. First...you, nor your wife, can own land in the PI. So...who will you lease from? It sounds like you know NO ONE over there. Second, have even visited? I mean, like in the provinces? Third...you said you want to fuck bar girls for the rest of your life. That narrows down where you can actually live. Fourth...i browsed a few places and am seeing prices...agricultural, 52 hectars in Aklan, P65,260,000. Heres another...P250/meter....do the math. You dont even have a down payment.


man I appreciate what youre trying to do. But honestly, at this point its not doable. Not even close. You are maybe 20% away money wise, and you really need to establish some trusted contacts to pull it off. Not to mention find a way to actually buy the land.

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Yes you are correct, they can inherit land, but cannot legally buy land.

[url]http://realestatecagayan.com/faqs.php[/url]

Question #5:When my children were born, I was already an American citizen. Can they inherit my land in the Philippines?

Yes. Foreign nationals (even if they were not former natural-born Philippine citizens) can own land in the Philippines if they acquire it by inheritance. These nationals should, however, inherit the property by intestate succession. Intestate succession means that the foreign national inherits the property because he/she is an heir under Philippine law. Naming one’s heir by executing a “last Will and Testament” or a “Living Will” will not work to validly transfer real property in the Philippines to a foreign national.

I also lived on Guam for nine years and understand what you are saying about the dual citizenship:(

Robb[/QUOTE]


You need to go to law school and learn the difference between testate and intestate succession and a simple living will. Leave those answers to people like me, although the question you tried to answer was quite vague.

Trust me, I'm a lawyer.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]Yes, that's all I want to do is have a house, grow food on it, and live as self-sufficiently as I possibly can. Hopefully nothing that will cost a lot or recurring bills. (except for the continual sex with the bargirls....) My plan is for it to be totally off-the-grid and self-sustainable. I plan on modeling my farm after some farms I have seen on the Big Island in Hawai'i and other places I've traveled. That's where my motivation comes from. I have seen with my own eyes people who live off the land comfortably with no income. I am grateful to be getting some feedback here from you guys because I definitely need it. All my filipino friends here have been telling me to just go there already, buy the land, and start being a farmer. Good intentions but I know it's not THAT easy and you all are working professionals and can offer a much better picture of the difficulties I might potentially run into. Please keep them coming! :)

but ultimately, if others can live off the grid completely then so can I. I just have to have a good plan that's all.

I am definitely NOT moving to the PI with the intent of making money at all. I'm going there because I want to be all by myself and have sex with bargirls until I croak. Those are the only two reasons. I was considering just moving back to my hometown which is very much a farm community with land available (but kinda expensive at $5-6K an acre) but of course there would be no cheap hot bargirls to fuck easily.

So, it seems you all concur that with the intent to be a farmer ONLY with a house then $70K is fine. (that would include frequent sex w/ bargirls as time permits when not on the farm or busy w/ family matters) Sounds good then. Now Ratszo inquired about which province I was considering settling down at. I don't really know. This is where I could really use you all's help. I am sure there is farm land in the P.I. available at the price I want but I don't know how to find it. I've spoken with my filipino friends here and they say that land in the province isn't sold online or commercially. It is sold by word of mouth or via friends. So, how in the hell do I find the land I'm looking for from my location here in the USA? My friends also told that if I see land on the internet automatically that means it is marked up waayy above what it's worth and that I should get my wife to purchase it there in the P.I. definitely. This is all confusing and I am having NO luck finding any info on the web. What are you guys experience and advice regarding this??[/QUOTE]Dude, when I asked, 'What province', it was retorical.

There is no province giving away farmland cheap to anyone, nevermind a long-nose.

You must be thinking of Big Rock Candy Mountain Province,

"In the Big Rock Candy Mountains you never change your socks
And the little streams of alcohol come a-trickling down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats and the railroad bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew and of whiskey too
You can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains"

My father-in-law grows rice in the highlands Negros Is. off the grid.

There are no bar girls there. Every woman there is someone's sister.

You'd be shot dead in under a year fucking local girls.

Off-the-grid pinoy style is NPA turf. Screw around and you are a dead man.

In the Luzon highlands, no NPA, they hate commies.

They are tribal. Before they kill you, they''ll flay you alive to honor their heathen Gods.

Ratz

So Laylow, you want to live off the land and fuck bargirls at the same time... Don't you know that one should never shit where one sleeps. Or worded as the other posters are telling you, one should not fuck around in the local postal code in the provinces. Word gets around faster than you can blink. Which means that if you want to fuck bargirls and live to tell about it, you need to get away from wherever you live to do it. Which implies that you cannot be so far off the grid that you can't get away easily. Which implies that you have the funds/income to finance your getaways. Which implies that us$70k ain't going to be enough to fund it all.

Remember all local eyes are on you from day 1, there will never be a moment, let alone a day when they are not on you. You're getting some dang good advice here... give it a listen. Seriously.

[QUOTE=Finrod]So Laylow, you want to live off the land and fuck bargirls at the same time... Don't you know that one should never shit where one sleeps. Or worded as the other posters are telling you, one should not fuck around in the local postal code in the provinces. Word gets around faster than you can blink. Which means that if you want to fuck bargirls and live to tell about it, you need to get away from wherever you live to do it. Which implies that you cannot be so far off the grid that you can't get away easily. Which implies that you have the funds/income to finance your getaways. Which implies that us$70k ain't going to be enough to fund it all.

Remember all local eyes are on you from day 1, there will never be a moment, let alone a day when they are not on you. You're getting some dang good advice here... give it a listen. Seriously.[/QUOTE]I don't know if you haven't heard but mongering is very expensive. No matter if you take the Ermita "gutter" girl on a regular basis or the Pegasus show girl (if you can). The shit adds up.

You also told us that your wife is a US reared Filipina. If this is correct if she finds out about your activities and she will in one way or the other. Be prepared for an expensive and potentially dangerous divorce.

Unlike the Philippine based and reared Filipina she won't need to stay aboard a sinking ship for financial or "face" reasons.

I don't know how it is in the province as I don't venture there and have no plans to do so in the future.

As a young cat who lives in a well-to-do subdivision I can tell you your neighbors will watch your every move and everything you do and your behavior will be the subject of conversations. I think you are not white so that will compound things. Before I got my car I had a personal driver who I would always have drop me off at rather mundane spots then I would make my way to the mongering venues from there.

Not really hitting the bars any more as I now have a harem of ever changing non P4P GFs so managing that (or mongering this way) is a new game all together.

Again though all these actives take money which you will seem to be on a strict budget. Looking over your planned situation and the math I don't see how this is feasible.

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@Ratzo & Finrod - Regarding fucking the girls in my area. I guess I should have been more detailed somewhat. I didn’t mean I’d be having sex with girls in my own area where I live but rather banging bargirls in the P.I. in general. You see, my idea is this. As long as I’m in the P.I. getting to where I can bang bar girls or even regular girls is much easier than it is from here. Even if I’m in some province in the boonies, hoping on a Cebu pacific flight to AC or wherever is about $20-30 bucks so nothing really. That’s not much. Hell, I could do a weekly or monthly sex trip for a couple of days to keep me grounded and focused.

On top of that, I do know retired military who live there and also I know the relatives of my wife and the relatives of my close filipino friends here. And I have visited the P.I. before. I posted my reports of it here on the forum right after the trip. :)

@GoodEnough - yeah the legal system issue is one I’d probably have wherever I go overseas so nothing I can do about that.

@Robbaf - hmm, I’ll have to check on that one. I thought she could own land there. You see, she was born here in the USA only. Almost immediately after her birth, she was raised in the Philippines until she was 18 afterwhich she returned to the USA. So, I think she CAN own land but I’ll check to be sure since I’m not 100% certain.

@Blackangst - I think there are places that have cheap farmland but I just have to find them. (at least I’m hoping so)

keep the good advice flowing. I’m taking notes and talking to my local filipino friends here where I live about the advice I read here.

I do feel I kinda get what the deal is generally now. Basically I'll need a bit more than $70K. If, in fact, my wife can own land then all I need to do is find cheap land and I'm set. Other than that, I'll need some kind of monthly income coming in even if it is small as long as it is something. To remedy this, #1. I could stay in the military for 20 years and use my pension there OR #2. move to the P.I., establish the farm, and let my wife continue to work here in the USA while I take care of the kids and the farm (my wife is a pediatric MD if you're curious) or #3. as a last option I could just let my mother finance the whole thing only if I get into trouble financially. My parents financially are extremely stable. so in short:

1. find a way to buy the land and put a house on it
2. have a monthly income even if small

P.S. - I wonder how many of you guys have successful filipina wives not girlfriends that are taking care you...? i mean that seriously too. mine isn't taking care of me entirely but she sure does make waayy more than I do. I only ask this because I wonder does that fact change anything regarding the continual discussion of trusting one's filipina wife...?

Laylow3,

You seem hell bent on living in PI as a young guy.

Also, I have to ask you "why"?

[QUOTE=Finrod]Which implies that you cannot be so far off the grid that you can't get away easily. Which implies that you have the funds/income to finance your getaways. Which implies that us$70k ain't going to be enough to fund it all.
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I won't be spending the kind of money that most guys I know spend on my weekly or monthly trips. I've visited AC, Manila, and Cebu. Considering how much money I spent during my almost 6 weeks in the P.I., my sex excursions won't be that expensive at all, I foresee. Unless that is, I start to want very nice things as I get older or inflation kicks my rear-end. but I know I didn't spend that much money at all when I went there last year.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I don't want to rain on your parade, and I understand and admire what you want to do, but I'm not sure this is the best place to do it.

GE[/QUOTE]
You're not raining on my parade. I'm believe I'm realistic enough to acknowledge that if I honestly feel I can't achieve what I'm after in the Philippines then I will abandon the idea of settling down there in Pinas. P.I. isn't my only option of course. I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket. Just so you all know, I'm also actively looking into the prospect of resettling in South Africa or another safe area nearby. I have two colleagues there who claim the price of land is very cheap and they also understand exactly what my goals are just like you all now understand what I want to do. They say Africa is an excellent place to consider if the Philippines plan doesn't pan out. Actually, they are downright opposed to the idea of me living in the Philippines but they do know my wife so they can understand why P.I. is my first option instead of Africa. Also, Africa is considering giving African-Americans the option of dual citizenship. Not possible yet but it's a work in progress from what I understand.

IMHO, I won't invest on a property that I can not own.

[QUOTE=Warbucks]Laylow3,

You seem hell bent on living in PI as a young guy.

Also, I have to ask you "why"?[/QUOTE]
Well, I really want it to work out because she's from there and I thought it would be nice to be settle down in a cheap country that has access to cheap girls and people I know. now, of course I don't mean local filipinos but rather retired military. plenty over there. but as I said in my previous posts, I will admit without shame if the P.I. will NOT work out.

Please suggest other places/countries where you all think my plan would work out great. Not just Asia but any SAFE country in the world. I am very open to suggestions/help please. If not P.I. then what places do you all think it would work? I was looking at safe countries in Africa for starters...

[QUOTE=Laylow3]I will admit without shame if the P.I. will NOT work out.[/QUOTE]

Myself as a foreigner in different countries, and as one poster already raised to you, besides the financial constraints... very very very few mongers who are married with kids, especially living in a foreign land, will monger close to home when living in the provinces. That is a sure way to loose everything you have including your life. You think things are private, everyone knows everything in many of the provinces of SEA countries. Gossip is the local sport.

You're looking for a CHEAP place to do your plan and monger... any place will be a 3rd or 4th world country for that amount (and no matter what that amount is not sufficient IMHO) and there are their own unwritten rules and laws in those countries. I'm from a 4th world country and any outsider coming in faces a difficult up hill battle even if our Foreign Investment laws look attractive. What is in paper is not the real story. And if the foreigner is found to hurt or cheat on a local wife, hurt cheat a local person, not pay off or honor or respect the right people, there are serious repercussions. And I would laugh at any foreigner who came here with 70 K as he will be broke in a moment.

For example I can go without paying my taxes for 10 years without penalty but if you do not bow below the eye sight of a higher up or show disrespect to a leader you could find your home broken into and destroyed. Do NOT pick up and move to a country that you hear about or read about and expect it to be heaven. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. You can spend 70 K just travelling to find the right country let alone the right province and such.

For 70 K, living off land, moving to a foreign land, screwing hot girls, while having a family... look for fantasy land... If it is as easy as you make it sound to be then everyone would be doing what you propose. And having your wife stay at home and work to support your mongering in her national country... hahahahahaha that's funny... good luck....

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]For 70 K, living off land, moving to a foreign land, screwing hot girls, while having a family... look for fantasy land... If it is as easy as you make it sound to be then everyone would be doing what you propose. And having your wife stay at home and work to support your mongering in her national country... hahahahahaha that's funny... good luck....

very very very few mongers who are married with kids, especially living in a foreign land, will monger close to home when living in the provinces.[/QUOTE]
Well, with the exception of living off the land, you all do it, don't you? I mentioned that I could continue to save and then after I do 20 in the military I could take my pension and move there. DragonSlayer has a family (filipina wife & kids), his own place there, and beds hot girls. Warbucks inquired why I'm so intent on settling down in the P.I.. Another reason because others have, and have recommended that I follow suit. My only difference with them is that I desire to live off the land totally and I guess I need to save up more funds obviously. :) I realize now that $70K won't be enough so I'll be sure to save up probably at least double that before I make the definite transition there for good. At least another 5-6 years then that is if I choose the P.I. which I'm sure I will.

I must also add that having a farm in the Philippines should also be much cheaper than having a farm here in the USA. The cost of a purchasing a horse, pigs, farm animals is much cheaper there than here by far. I get the feeling that a pessimistic air is circulating unnecessarily. Let's say I just screw it and just get "cheap" land here in the USA in a place like Alabama or Mississippi. Is the danger associated with the "fearsome" tribes that were mentioned here earlier by someone really that different than than the racist rednecks in the backwoods of those southern states? Will the law be on my side since I'm not Caucasian? There will be danger wherever I go. I am glad to get some great advice here but I see it (my plans) as totally possible. I just found out that my wife CAN apply to obtain dual citizenship which she is going to apply for soon. So, I just need to find the cheap land in a decent area. I'm sure it's there. Everything else is general and can be said about almost any place. no matter where I go there will always be something bad that one can ***** about but it all boils down to is it worth it. I myself have to make it work. no-one ever got anything worthwhile by taking the easy route. but I will take your advice and #1. be extremely careful with the mongering #2. make sure we have a couple of thousand dollars saved up after we pay for the house/animals and the land #3. have my wife get her dual citizenship. Thanks guys!

I could be wrong but living in Luzon and mongering in the Visayas shouldn't be a problem. but I could be wrong. but even if I banged just one girl every month or 2 months then that would still be better than being here in the USA. or you guys could just be trying to discourage me from settling there to save all the sexy bar girls for yourselves. Not going to work, I will be there soon after only in a couple of years. haha. :)

[QUOTE=Laylow3]or you guys could just be trying to discourage me from settling there to save all the sexy bar girls for yourselves. Not going to work, I will be there soon after only in a couple of years. haha. :)[/QUOTE]

Discourage you or make sure you are thinking things through are totally different items. Being prepared with a safety net and an "out" is better then jumping in not knowing what shit pile you are jumping into. Fine go ahead jump out of the plane without a back up parachute mate.

You asked the questions not us. I for one, my negativity is that you have not put your toe into the water to test the temperature but you seem ready to jump in head first. You got kids and a wife. It's a great dream just have your "out" ready and be ready to use it, don't be stupid and risk everything.

Now you say you are years away from doing this? By then a totally different government could be in control, different laws, a different country could be a better option or change or whatever. So basically now this is just your dream in a couple years down the road.... back to fantasy land.... GROAN....

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Discourage you or make sure you are thinking things through are totally different items. Being prepared with a safety net and an "out" is better then jumping in not knowing what shit pile you are jumping into. Fine go ahead jump out of the plane without a back up parachute mate.

You asked the questions not us. I for one, my negativity is that you have not put your toe into the water to test the temperature but you seem ready to jump in head first. You got kids and a wife. It's a great dream just have your "out" ready and be ready to use it, don't be stupid and risk everything.

Now you say you are years away from doing this? By then a totally different government could be in control, different laws, a different country could be a better option or change or whatever. So basically now this is just your dream in a couple years down the road.... back to fantasy land.... GROAN....[/QUOTE]
you know I was joking about the hogging all the girls, right? ok, just checking. Yeah, I won't risk everything. Just chatting openly about my plans with you all has given me better insight from people on the ground there. Among other things I mentioned, I know now I need to speak with a foreigner that's a farmer in P.I. and Africa also as an alternative.

yeah things will probably change in a couple of years but no need to fret over the inevitable unknown, right? :)

[QUOTE=Laylow3]you know I was joking about the hogging all the girls, right? ok, just checking. Yeah, I won't risk everything. Just chatting openly about my plans with you all has given me better insight from people on the ground there. Among other things I mentioned, I know now I need to speak with a foreigner that's a farmer in P.I. and Africa also as an alternative.

yeah things will probably change in a couple of years but no need to fret over the inevitable unknown, right? :)[/QUOTE]

Mate, for one thing there is NEVER a shortage of girls in SEA. When a 22 year old shoots me down there are thousands of 20 and 21 year old's waiting in the wings (and even younger then that).... And same for all of us. I've actually never been jealous over another guy and his girl as there are just too many choices.

You mention speak to a local farmer... which makes me think do you even speak the local dialects? If you are serious get into language classes ASAP if you are moving to a different country. Also you seem to say you know about farming... one thing to do is to work for an aide organization that works to promote / help village farmers while you are setting up your operation.

Too many options to think about...

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]You mention speak to a local farmer... which makes me think do you even speak the local dialects? If you are serious get into language classes ASAP if you are moving to a different country. Also you seem to say you know about farming... one thing to do is to work for an aide organization that works to promote / help village farmers while you are setting up your operation. [/QUOTE]
well I speak Tagalog and one provincial dialect which is Ilocano. I'm not sure what area in the Philippines I'll be in permanently so Tagalog will have to suffice for now. but when I finalize the area plans, I will definitely get to work on learning the local dialect.

aide organizations promoting village farmers. that's a good idea! I'm googling that now but any top notch ones off the topic of your head? Keep the options coming! excellent!

[QUOTE=Laylow3]well I speak Tagalog and one provincial dialect which is Ilocano. I'm not sure what area in the Philippines I'll be in permanently so Tagalog will have to suffice for now. but when I finalize the area plans, I will definitely get to work on learning the local dialect.

aide organizations promoting village farmers. that's a good idea! I'm googling that now but any top notch ones off the topic of your head? Keep the options coming! excellent![/QUOTE]
There are lots of organizations promoting and working with small farmers, several of them supported by donor organizations. Norminveggies (headquartered in CDO) is one of the largest, but there are several, similar organizations all over Mindanao. Most of these organizations help farmers negotiate higher, bulk prices with exporters or out-shippers, and teach farmers how to respond to market needs through "cluster farming." This is not an Aggie board, but if you want more information on some of these organizations, PM me and I'll send it to you.

GE

[QUOTE=Laylow3]@Ratzo & Finrod - Regarding fucking the girls in my area. I guess I should have been more detailed somewhat. I didn’t mean I’d be having sex with girls in my own area where I live but rather banging bargirls in the P.I. in general. You see, my idea is this. As long as I’m in the P.I. getting to where I can bang bar girls or even regular girls is much easier than it is from here. Even if I’m in some province in the boonies, hoping on a Cebu pacific flight to AC or wherever is about $20-30 bucks so nothing really. That’s not much. Hell, I could do a weekly or monthly sex trip for a couple of days to keep me grounded and focused.

On top of that, I do know retired military who live there and also I know the relatives of my wife and the relatives of my close filipino friends here. And I have visited the P.I. before. I posted my reports of it here on the forum right after the trip. :)

@GoodEnough - yeah the legal system issue is one I’d probably have wherever I go overseas so nothing I can do about that.

@Robbaf - hmm, I’ll have to check on that one. I thought she could own land there. You see, she was born here in the USA only. Almost immediately after her birth, she was raised in the Philippines until she was 18 afterwhich she returned to the USA. So, I think she CAN own land but I’ll check to be sure since I’m not 100% certain.

@Blackangst - I think there are places that have cheap farmland but I just have to find them. (at least I’m hoping so)

keep the good advice flowing. I’m taking notes and talking to my local filipino friends here where I live about the advice I read here.

I do feel I kinda get what the deal is generally now. Basically I'll need a bit more than $70K. If, in fact, my wife can own land then all I need to do is find cheap land and I'm set. Other than that, I'll need some kind of monthly income coming in even if it is small as long as it is something. To remedy this, #1. I could stay in the military for 20 years and use my pension there OR #2. move to the P.I., establish the farm, and let my wife continue to work here in the USA while I take care of the kids and the farm (my wife is a pediatric MD if you're curious) or #3. as a last option I could just let my mother finance the whole thing only if I get into trouble financially. My parents financially are extremely stable. so in short:

1. find a way to buy the land and put a house on it
2. have a monthly income even if small

P.S. - I wonder how many of you guys have successful filipina wives not girlfriends that are taking care you...? i mean that seriously too. mine isn't taking care of me entirely but she sure does make waayy more than I do. I only ask this because I wonder does that fact change anything regarding the continual discussion of trusting one's filipina wife...?[/QUOTE]

My previous GF from Leyte showed me a nice house built by a german who also owns some farmland and has couple of stores. I guess he makes some money. He leases the farmland to locals so that they can cultivate rice and pay him rent.
It is not unheard of for foreigners to invest money and earn a living in PHI if they are married to a local. Once again the age old question is are you going to be fleeced? Can you trust a local girl? Do you have enough protection from the corrupt system? What I heard is kidnapping for ransom is a real threat all over PHI.

Well, good luck laylow. At least its nice to see your story is changing somewhat as to your goals as others have given input. I think the bottom line is you are a ways away. And I dont know about the whole wife and kid thing. American women are far less forgiving, and the possibility of this backfiring and becoming very expensive, especially if she has family in the PI, is very high. As others have said, there are no secrets in the Phils. I hope you get what Im saying...

I would also suggest you spend some time in the residency/visa thread to get some wisom there.

Good luck~

[QUOTE=Laylow3]Keep the options coming! excellent![/QUOTE]
I'll give you an idea. Something that a lot of people want and would pay for: a decent steak. Seems most of the beef there is that grass-fed Aussie stuff and tough as hell.

I know you can get corn there, but I don't know if anyone grows field corn which you should feed to cattle. Maybe you could commission it to be grown for your ranch. You may have lots of "leakage" at night, so keep the steers up in a barn. And if you are doing that, then why not go the whole-hog Kobe beef thing. Keep the steers confined and feed them beer and such. You could get cheap labor to clean out the barns, and you can sell the manure.

But to be sustainable, you will need a yearly supply of yearlings, so you will need cows and at least one bull.

I know Delmonte imported some cattle to Bukidnon in an experiment to see if the cows would help eat up the normal waste from pineapple harvesting. I don't think they are happy with the result, maybe they will sell you some. They have horses to punch the cows also.

If you are going to have cows and calves, you will need something like grassland.

Heck the King ranch is in Hawaii, if they can do it there, why not the PI? (except its a lot cooler in Hawaii)

[QUOTE=Jambo]Heck the King ranch is in Hawaii, if they can do it there, why not the PI? (except its a lot cooler in Hawaii)[/QUOTE]

King ranch gets a crap load of money for movies, commercials, and tours to suppliment it's income in today's day and age...

[QUOTE=Jambo]I'll give you an idea. Something that a lot of people want and would pay for: a decent steak. Seems most of the beef there is that grass-fed Aussie stuff and tough as hell.[/QUOTE]

Also do you think Filipino's would know what to do with a decent steak? To me that's like giving a bum on the street a fine wine...

@Jambo - Good idea but I don't want to go into business if I don't have to. Nevertheless great idea. I was going to put cows, bulls, horses, and pigs etc. on my farm anyway but your plan sounds good. That is waayy down the line for me though. I have to get the land and put the house there first. My wife doesn't want me focusing on anything else yet but that. She has been in the Philippines for a couple of days already to see about her family. But she is also doing some research for our family. She is talking to people there about cheap land prices in good areas away from bad weather, getting her dual citizenship stuff taken care of, and among other things finding out the price of animals to put on our land as you speak about.

Going with that though, I should add that I plan to put all different kinds of animals on my future land there. Like the usual cows/bulls, pigs, horses, dogs, cats, goats, chickens, birds/ducks, but also ostriches, mongooses, sheep, lambs, alpacas, and other exotic animals. I just thought I should throw that out there since there is so much useful information circulating here now. I'll have a huge garden of course which will include all the food. (veggies, nut & fruit trees, herbs etc.) But I also plan to put wood trees there. (mahogany, etc.) For the animals, my wife said as soon as we purchase the land, we are going to purchase all or a lot of the animals and she is going to have her friends and/or family take care of them to get things started. We will pay them from here in the USA of course. They will pretty much get the entire farm started since they are all farmers. I am starting a program in agriculture in August if my I get accepted to the college.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]For the animals, my wife said as soon as we purchase the land, we are going to purchase all or a lot of the animals and she is going to have her friends and/or family take care of them to get things started. We will pay them from here in the USA of course. They will pretty much get the entire farm started since they are all farmers. I am starting a program in agriculture in August if my I get accepted to the college.[/QUOTE]

From a famous old American TV show...

DANGER WILL ROGERS!!! DANGER WILL ROGERS!!!

[QUOTE=Laylow3]I am starting a program in agriculture in August if my I get accepted to the college.[/QUOTE]

Just apply to college now???? Could we start talking about things currently happening...

I think we've been living in your fantasy dream a little too long....

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Could we start talking about things currently happening...

I think we've been living in your fantasy dream a little too long....[/QUOTE]
it's up to you guys. There's so much to discuss about this. I get excited about talking about it and I could go on and on but yeah i guess this isn't a farm board. I just like getting all the help I can get. So much knowledge/experience here. Maybe I'll update you all when we actually have some nice big acreage of land with animals and this "dream" actually starts to come to fruition which it will eventually.

[QUOTE=Warbucks]You also told us that your wife is a US reared Filipina. If this is correct if she finds out about your activities and she will in one way or the other. Be prepared for an expensive and potentially dangerous divorce.

Unlike the Philippine based and reared Filipina she won't need to stay aboard a sinking ship for financial or "face" reasons.[/QUOTE]
No worries WB, she will just take half of his military retirement and then he will really live off the land:D

Robb

[QUOTE=Jambo]I'll give you an idea. Something that a lot of people want and would pay for: a decent steak. Seems most of the beef there is that grass-fed Aussie stuff and tough as hell.[/QUOTE]

Granted that the local beef is pretty putrid, but here in Davao, I can buy US Angus beef that's delicious and at least the equal of anything I would get at home. It's expensive, but it's delicious.

GE

[QUOTE=Laylow3]We will pay them from here in the USA of course.[/QUOTE]
You're gonna get milked. You won't live there and trust your in-laws to manage money? My suggestion to you is to join the Army. Get paid well to travel, visit the PI on your leave time, retire early at 40+, and then you will may have the experience to handle these things.

Ask about the issues with Filipino families and investment money on boards more populated by residents: livingingcebu dot com and theworldoffilipinas dot com.

They are gonna pluck you like a chicken...

[QUOTE=Jambo]You're gonna get milked. You won't live there and trust your in-laws to manage money? My suggestion to you is to join the Army. Get paid well to travel, visit the PI on your leave time, retire early at 40+, and then you will may have the experience to handle these things.

Ask about the issues with Filipino families and investment money on boards more populated by residents: livingingcebu dot com and theworldoffilipinas dot com.

They are gonna pluck you like a chicken...[/QUOTE]
Trusting inlaws/family/close friends is roughly equivalent to tossing your money down a toilet and bidding it adieu. This mantra cannot be chanted often enough. They will screw you in every way imaginable. I've heard too many guys, in my six years here, insist that: "Oh no, my inlaws are different than all the others," only to admit, several months and several thousand dollars later, that they wished they had listened to all the warnings. Unless you're perfectly willing to lose whatever money you send, DO NOT SEND IT.

GE

[QUOTE=Laylow3]it's up to you guys. There's so much to discuss about this. I get excited about talking about it and I could go on and on but yeah i guess this isn't a farm board. I just like getting all the help I can get. So much knowledge/experience here. Maybe I'll update you all when we actually have some nice big acreage of land with animals and this "dream" actually starts to come to fruition which it will eventually.[/QUOTE]I think you should build this farm on Fantasy Island! Since you are going to have one of every exotic animal in the world can you grow some of those plants that produce bubble gum and chocolate kisses like in the movies.

I am strongly reminding everyone that this is a sex forum!

I also think laylow is so full of it that he has to be pulling our chain with all of this nonsense.

"I only have 70k to live the rest of my life on. Boo hooo. Oh thats right I forgot to tell you guys my wife is a medical doctor in the US. Oh and I forgot to mention she is a native born Filipina and I speak perfect Tagalog.

If you are even thinking in this mode you are so pussy whipped that a slap up da side a da head won't HELP. They will clean your clock - takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

Thai excuse "Water buffalo / mother / father / sister SICK" (pick one and recycle excuse as required.) Oh well, it's YOUR money (at least NOW it is...) and who am I to try to render sensibility (Yes, I know this is about Pilipines - only the country is different - the relatives don't change...muan gun Muang Thai - same same in Thailand)

[QUOTE=Dinghy]If you are even thinking in this mode you are so pussy whipped that a slap up da side a da head won't HELP.[/QUOTE]
You are welcome to say PW'd but please don't associate that phrase with my user name, RTFF to see who this is about. Thank you mr senior member.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Trusting inlaws/family/close friends is roughly equivalent to tossing your money down a toilet and bidding it adieu. This mantra cannot be chanted often enough. They will screw you in every way imaginable. I've heard too many guys, in my six years here, insist that: "Oh no, my inlaws are different than all the others," only to admit, several months and several thousand dollars later, that they wished they had listened to all the warnings. Unless you're perfectly willing to lose whatever money you send, DO NOT SEND IT.

GE[/QUOTE]
Well, it was her idea anyway. but I think you guys are right so nuff said on that. We won't do it. I'll have to find someone to do it though...

[QUOTE=Laylow3]Well, it was her idea anyway. but I think you guys are right so nuff said on that. We won't do it. I'll have to find someone to do it though...[/QUOTE]

Of course she will want her family to get paid. Everyone needs money. And I'm sure your wife will be pissed if you hire someone else. So you're jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire on this one.

And don't forget about squatters. You might have to consider the worry about squatters if you get land and are not monitoring it (depending on region and such). A mate flew back to deal with squatters on his dad's land as the dad is getting dementia and one squatter was cool and good hearted and good guy about things but the other had a band of guys with knives waiting for my mates arrival...

And he was not kicking them off just setting the record clear and straight that the land is his families and they can stay if they maintain it but that they clearly have no legal rights to the location. He wasn't even asking for rent. Obviously the one local squatter didn't see eye to eye with the outsider (filipino by birth but raised USA so he's considered an outsider).

You want to move to PI... don't study farming, study abnormal psychology.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]the other had a band of guys with knives waiting for my mates arrival...

And he was not kicking them off just setting the record clear and straight that the land is his families and they can stay if they maintain it but that they clearly have no legal rights to the location. He wasn't even asking for rent. [/QUOTE]
I'm thinking in a situation like that, that problem should be able to be taken care of up front I would think. I don't know the story of course but I think things like that happen if people are evicted off of a piece of property suddenly when someone else purchases it. That's a good point. I'll make sure that no-one or organization has any ties to the land I'm buying from the get-go.

[QUOTE=Devils 1]I think you should build this farm on Fantasy Island! Since you are going to have one of every exotic animal in the world can you grow some of those plants that produce bubble gum and chocolate kisses like in the movies.

I am strongly reminding everyone that this is a sex forum!

I also think laylow is so full of it that he has to be pulling our chain with all of this nonsense.

"I only have 70k to live the rest of my life on. Boo hooo. Oh thats right I forgot to tell you guys my wife is a medical doctor in the US. Oh and I forgot to mention she is a native born Filipina and I speak perfect Tagalog.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Reading the other reports by laylow point that out. And to think I answered one of his posts in a serious manner.

[QUOTE=Superman06]I agree. Reading the other reports by laylow point that out. And to think I answered one of his posts in a serious manner.[/QUOTE]

I never contributed to this debate because it all sounded so implausible. 95% of farmers in The Philippines live a precarious hand-to-mouth existence and I have yet to meet a gentleman farmer yelling at me to 'Ger orfff my land';).

[QUOTE=Devils 1]I also think laylow is so full of it that he has to be pulling our chain with all of this nonsense.

"I only have 70k to live the rest of my life on. Boo hooo. Oh thats right I forgot to tell you guys my wife is a medical doctor in the US. Oh and I forgot to mention she is a native born Filipina and I speak perfect Tagalog.[/QUOTE]
Since it seems you like paraphrase then I suggest you quote exactly what I said instead of paraphrasing in regards to what you say above.

Implausible, in the opinions of some maybe but that's why my plans changed a bit after much discussion here. but i'm definitely not "pulling your chain". I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. Just quote exactly what I said and you'll see what I mean.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]Since it seems you like paraphrase then I suggest you quote exactly what I said instead of paraphrasing in regards to what you say above.

Implausible, in the opinions of some maybe but that's why my plans changed a bit after much discussion here. but i'm definitely not "pulling your chain". I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. Just quote exactly what I said and you'll see what I mean.[/QUOTE]Hey Laylow!

70k is peanuts. Even in the Philippines!

I've been following your childish rant for a while and think the same way as Implausible!

[QUOTE=Laylow3]I'm thinking in a situation like that, that problem should be able to be taken care of up front I would think. I don't know the story of course but I think things like that happen if people are evicted off of a piece of property suddenly when someone else purchases it. That's a good point. I'll make sure that no-one or organization has any ties to the land I'm buying from the get-go.[/QUOTE]

Good luck doing a title search there. I don't even know if title insurance exists there and if it does, better luck in the filipino courts.

[QUOTE=Puerto La Cruz]Good luck doing a title search there. I don't even know if title insurance exists there and if it does, better luck in the filipino courts.[/QUOTE]

My missus, had a large tract of land 'stolen' off her by neighbours. The case has dragged through the local courts for a couple of years and turned quite nasty at times (threats of violence to relatives etc) and has still not been totally resolved even though the squatters have finally been evicted from the land in question. Title and land ownership is a nightmare in The Philippines. This I can assure anyone who is contemplating purchasing tracts of land, even in the name of a resident local.

@CS & Puerto - So you all and others who live there must have purchased only condos and not houses with land then?? I only ask because I wonder how you all are so lucky as to not have been plagued by all this evil-doing that is mentioned here....?? eh, there's always risk and where I choose to buy will be key. it's all about location it seems.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]@CS & Puerto - So you all and others who live there must have purchased only condos and not houses with land then?? I only ask because I wonder how you all are so lucky as to not have been plagued by all this evil-doing that is mentioned here....?? eh, there's always risk and where I choose to buy will be key. it's all about location it seems.[/QUOTE]

Was really referring to agricultural land with no pre-built housing on it. I bought my 300 square meter property in Manila fully aware of the potential pitfalls but the price was so good that I reasoned that within a few years I would recoup my investment in saved rental. Also had a local lawyer look over the title prior to purchase and he assured me that their was no problems.

My house is now worth twice what I paid for it, but, of course only the missus could officially recoup my investment.

O.K, be nice, or not, and give me sh*t!!! LOL I have RTTF and haven't found the answer yet.

I am flying into Manila for my first PI trip, and then onto AC for a week, returning to Manila for the final night.

I am assuming that I can buy a Sim, and minutes, at the Manila airport, but where? Also is Smart the best system to go with. My plan is to use it to text 4-5 friends that will be there also. I doubt I will make many calls to ladies. I am more of a ST, one and done kind of guy. I seldom repeat with ladies, especially on the same trip.

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Supersteve]O.K, be nice, or not, and give me sh*t!!! LOL I have RTTF and haven't found the answer yet.

I am flying into Manila for my first PI trip, and then onto AC for a week, returning to Manila for the final night.

I am assuming that I can buy a Sim, and minutes, at the Manila airport, but where? Also is Smart the best system to go with. My plan is to use it to text 4-5 friends that will be there also. I doubt I will make many calls to ladies. I am more of a ST, one and done kind of guy. I seldom repeat with ladies, especially on the same trip.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
I don't know if you can buy in the airport, but if you are on the way to AC, have the driver stop at a 7-11 or Mini-stop as soon as you leave the airport. It will be cheaper and you can grab a water/snack for your trip.

Robb

[QUOTE=Supersteve]O.K, be nice, or not, and give me sh*t!!! LOL I have RTTF and haven't found the answer yet.

I am flying into Manila for my first PI trip, and then onto AC for a week, returning to Manila for the final night.

I am assuming that I can buy a Sim, and minutes, at the Manila airport, but where? Also is Smart the best system to go with. My plan is to use it to text 4-5 friends that will be there also. I doubt I will make many calls to ladies. I am more of a ST, one and done kind of guy. I seldom repeat with ladies, especially on the same trip.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

You can buy refill cards for sure at Terminal 1 and Terminal 2.

Terminal 1 is at the local handicraft store, Terminal 2 for international departure is the food snack stand, but those are after check in for departure not at landing / arrival, I know of NO place at landing at either terminal 1 or 2 where you can buy minutes or SIM at landing. You go to immigration, baggage, customs, street....

Thanks for the info on Sims guys, I appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Supersteve]I am assuming that I can buy a Sim, and minutes, at the Manila airport, but where?[/QUOTE]
Yes... no place to buy a SIM card or load at arrivals at T1 but if you stop at the airport hotel just off the airport grounds, the business center sells them and is open 24/7.

[QUOTE=Supersteve]O.K, be nice, or not, and give me sh*t!!! LOL I have RTTF and haven't found the answer yet.

I am flying into Manila for my first PI trip, and then onto AC for a week, returning to Manila for the final night.

I am assuming that I can buy a Sim, and minutes, at the Manila airport, but where? Also is Smart the best system to go with. My plan is to use it to text 4-5 friends that will be there also. I doubt I will make many calls to ladies. I am more of a ST, one and done kind of guy. I seldom repeat with ladies, especially on the same trip.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

Smart/Buddy is the biggest operator so prob the best choice calls/texts within network are half the price of out of network calls so the advantage os smart is more users, Globe/Tm and Sun are cheaper (in tersm of unlimited text delas for example, but have fewer subscribers

[QUOTE=Jack Sheet]Not true. In PAL's arrival terminal there is a machine selling loads of multiple brands. In addition, there is an employee standing there selling SIM cards[/QUOTE]

Clarify please... which terminal. Terminal 2 I assume since you say PAL and they only land at Terminal 2, so what side??? International or Domestic?

International I land it almost every month and the flight and time I land we are herded like cattle from Plane to Immigration to Luggage to the Street. NO vendors no machine no staff.... A secured walkway, stairs and stand in line...

Maybe I do this too many times and my eyes are not always open but in years I've never seen anyone selling sim or time at arrivals...

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Clarify please... which terminal. Terminal 2 I assume since you say PAL and they only land at Terminal 2, so what side??? International or Domestic?

International I land it almost every month and the flight and time I land we are herded like cattle from Plane to Immigration to Luggage to the Street. NO vendors no machine no staff.... A secured walkway, stairs and stand in line...

Maybe I do this too many times and my eyes are not always open but in years I've never seen anyone selling sim or time at arrivals...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mattrick]Yes... no place to buy a SIM card or load at arrivals but if you stop at the airport hotel just off the airport grounds, the business center sells them and is open 24/7.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Jack Sheet]Not true. In PAL's arrival terminal there is a machine selling loads of multiple brands. In addition, there is an employee standing there selling SIM cards[/QUOTE]I too have seen the vendors selling SIMs and phone cards off to the left opposite of the ATMs and rental car desks in the arrival area fairly recently.

They were selling SIMs and load for only Smart though as I was inquiring about Globe. A solution to this Bermuda Triangle-esque paradox may be that the vendor or vendors are mobile and are not there daily.

I am shocked and appalled :D PI tourist service/map expert Mattrick missed the mark on this one when his only forte seems to be giving directions.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Clarify please... which terminal. Terminal 2 I assume since you say PAL and they only land at Terminal 2, so what side??? International or Domestic?

International I land it almost every month and the flight and time I land we are herded like cattle from Plane to Immigration to Luggage to the Street. NO vendors no machine no staff.... A secured walkway, stairs and stand in line...

Maybe I do this too many times and my eyes are not always open but in years I've never seen anyone selling sim or time at arrivals...[/QUOTE]
I've used the money changer at the PAL international arrival area; this is near the exit and to the left just before customs. I seem to remember there was a kiosk next to the money changer booth that was selling Smart sims and reloads. Well heck I will be able to see for myself in a couple of days... If you need an ATM there is one outside the international arrival area, and if that one isn't working, there's another one outside the domestic arrival area (the other wing).

[QUOTE=Finrod]I've used the money changer at the PAL international arrival area; this is near the exit and to the left just before customs. I seem to remember there was a kiosk next to the money changer booth that was selling Smart sims and reloads. Well heck I will be able to see for myself in a couple of days... If you need an ATM there is one outside the international arrival area, and if that one isn't working, there's another one outside the domestic arrival area (the other wing).[/QUOTE]

Could be, normally as I said I feel like cattle i do this so much...

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Could be, normally as I said I feel like cattle i do this so much...[/QUOTE]
Or, if you want to get the hell out of Asia's worst airport, just hop in a taxi and tell the driver to take you to an ATM on the way to your hotel. It always works for me.

Yes, I've seen staff standing in front of a broken machine selling cards. I've also just found broken machines.

In the Philippines always have option b or c....

[QUOTE=Jack Sheet]Not true. In PAL's arrival terminal there is a machine selling loads of multiple brands. In addition, there is an employee standing there selling SIM cards[/QUOTE]

Someone suggested there is no comparison between mongering in Philippines and S.America. I have to agree, though for different reasons. South America easily wins hands down! But for untrammelled adventure - the likes of Pinatubo, or trekking through Cambodia, I prefer Asia. Also for cuisine - Hong Kong and Thailand have world class national cuisine (Balinese is also excellent if you can get the real deal, which is not usually served). I find the Asian attitude of servility off-putting - South Americans have
much personal and national pride and with good justification. For mongering, South America generally I have found to be better educated and the rules are clearer. But maybe that's cos I've spent more time in total there. Asia does also offer the 'package tour' type monger' experience with less prior knowledge needed than S.America for the same bucks. I can see why SE Asua will appeal to many North Americans and Australians. But personally I'd make Brasil my second home if I could.

Best wishes to everyone on the Philippines forum in People Power Day. :)

[QUOTE=Mattrick]Yes... no place to buy a SIM card or load at arrivals at T1 but if you stop at the airport hotel just off the airport grounds, the business center sells them and is open 24/7.[/QUOTE]

I arrived last week in Terminal 1 in the afternoon and as I left customs passed the money changers, just outside the door of Customs to the left was a little vending machine for load but there was also a woman selling SIM cards. I've never noticed the machine or anyone there before doing that, but she was actually vocally making it known she had SIM cards to sell there.

For people who come within 6 months of coinciding trips, I've now started to buy Load before I leave to reload when I land. The expiration dates are long enough for this to work and for my Smart Sim card, I've found that 6 months it still work so far where in comparison something like Thai Sim cards, seems to expire really fast like less than 3 months. I loaded with a 500 pesos card the other day and the expiration date of all my load was way into June versus if I load with a 200 pesos card it may be only good without new load for one month.

[QUOTE=Key Master]
For people who come within 6 months of coinciding trips, I've now started to buy Load before I leave to reload when I land. The expiration dates are long enough for this to work and for my Smart Sim card, I've found that 6 months it still work so far where in comparison something like Thai Sim cards, seems to expire really fast like less than 3 months. I loaded with a 500 pesos card the other day and the expiration date of all my load was way into June versus if I load with a 200 pesos card it may be only good without new load for one month.[/QUOTE]

With a SMART SIM Card just type in all capitol lettters without the quotations, "ROAM ON" before you leave the country and send that text to 333. Your phone will be in roam mode and you will be able to send and receive texts from your friends in the Pinas, but you won't be able to receive or make voice calls. Your load balance must remain above Peso 100. You must have a Tri/Quad band cell phone for this to work. Globeprobably has a similar feature.

I found that by leaving my phone in ROAM mode while I'm still in the Pinas you avoid getting the annoying one ring/hang up the girls use to check to see if your phone is on, or that your still in country. In ROAM mode, they hear a messege that says the party can be reached by text messege only. It cost one or two peso more for using ROAM mode while inside the Pinas, and Peso 20 for every text I send from the USA.

To reload your phone from abroad, just have one of your many friends do it from the Pinas, or go to this site (which I have used in the past so it is legit):
[url]http://www.loadpadala.net/?gclid=COjur8bA3J8CFQ4HagodaDnEGg[/url]
Order online and they will send the load to your phone after they verify your information is correct.

YM

[QUOTE=Yella Man]Your phone will be in roam mode and you will be able to send and receive texts from your friends in the Pinas, but you won't be able to receive or make voice calls. [/QUOTE]

Great info and very informative but do you want to receive those messages when away? PI girls are the most annoying when it comes to txting. But as I said great post, the funny thing about SMART and GLOBE is that they keep changing special codes and things you can do with their dang phones.

Doesn't it get confusing what you can and can't do with different sim cards, I have about 10 of them for different countries. Shit changes too fast for old guys like me.

But for me, if girls only text and are too dumb to email or chat or won't use my other international numbers then they are one night fucks for me.

[QUOTE=Key Master]I arrived last week in Terminal 1 in the afternoon and as I left customs passed the money changers, just outside the door of Customs to the left was a little vending machine for load but there was also a woman selling SIM cards. I've never noticed the machine or anyone there before doing that, but she was actually vocally making it known she had SIM cards to sell there.[/QUOTE]

Mea Culpa Mea Culpa....

Landing at 10 pm at T1 I never hear or see anyone and honestly after I get out of customs I'm straight to taxi to get the hell out of the airport as I usually have a girl waiting in my hotel room :D. The last thing I want to do is stand there and look at everyone offering me special rides to places.... My experience is anyone who is nice to you at the airport (T1) is only trying to fleece you. Call me jaded...

Landing at T2 and switching to T1 I want the same dang thing, to get the hell out of there.

Salamat for correcting me.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Great info and very informative but do you want to receive those messages when away? PI girls are the most annoying when it comes to txting. But as I said great post, the funny thing about SMART and GLOBE is that they keep changing special codes and things you can do with their dang phones.

Doesn't it get confusing what you can and can't do with different sim cards, I have about 10 of them for different countries. Shit changes too fast for old guys like me.

But for me, if girls only text and are too dumb to email or chat or won't use my other international numbers then they are one night fucks for me.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya Tansak! I let them text me, but I don't always reply back. I try to hit em up on YM when I can if I'm truly interested in keeping in touch.

YM

I've been posting a lot of reports from my January 2010 trip and have used numbers in place of names in the order that I have met the girls instead of the actual name of the girls themselves. I do this because many of the girls read this forum nowadays, and I dont need them to figure out who I am (not without a lot of thought anyway), and I do it to protect the identity of the girls themselves, because believe it or not, many of the girls have boyfriends abroad who think their girls are angels. I will post the cooresponding pictures to a lot of my reports a year later or even longer after the girl has forgotten me or left the bar scene all together to further confuse who they think I might be. However, if you want to know the name of a particular girl in any of my reports, then PM me. If you are senior member with a good report history I will give you the name. Happy Hunting!

YM

[QUOTE=Yella Man] numbers in place of names . . . I do it to protect the identity of the girls themselves, because believe it or not, many of the girls have boyfriends abroad who think their girls are angels.[/QUOTE]

That's a kind thought, Yella Man. Nice one. I shall bear that in mind. The only exception I think is posting names of girls who have done serious disservice, in order to warn other mongers off.

Hi everyone,

I'm stationed in the middle east right now for a year and basically we get to get have a 2 week liberty anywhere in the world. I choose the PI because from how you all have been talking about, it is pretty friggn awesome. Anyways my trip is going to be around the time frame of June and I did some research and it says thats when it starts to downpour and rain. Has it been like this in the past years? I reall want to have a awesome two weeks and even though I doubt I will be doing alot of outdoor recreation, I don't want to be rained out. Is it a good time to go for some mongering? And how is the hooters down there as well.

[QUOTE=Khornal]Hi everyone,

I'm stationed in the middle east right now for a year and basically we get to get have a 2 week liberty anywhere in the world. I choose the PI because from how you all have been talking about, it is pretty friggn awesome. Anyways my trip is going to be around the time frame of June and I did some research and it says thats when it starts to downpour and rain. Has it been like this in the past years? I reall want to have a awesome two weeks and even though I doubt I will be doing alot of outdoor recreation, I don't want to be rained out. Is it a good time to go for some mongering? And how is the hooters down there as well.[/QUOTE]

June starts the rainy season so you will see lots of it. But don't let that stop you from coming because there is much fun to be had even if it rains every day. Hell, you'll be shacked up or drinking most of the time anyway. I'll be over there in July, rain, hail, sleet or snow! Not sure what you mean by Hooters. Titties? Restaraunt? Filipina's are not know for big titties. They are known for giving a great GFE though, so that alone makes up for lack of a heavy top.

YM

Khornal:

I'm not sure where you're planning to go on your vacation. Here in Davao, most of the intense rains happen during the early evening--between 5 and 7--and last for approximately an hour. That's not to say it never rains during the day, just most of the time the heavy rains occur for an hour at night. No worries though, as the rains don't put a damper on much of anything, and all activities continue much as they do during dry weather.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Ko worries though, as the rains don't put a damper on much of anything, and all activities continue much as they do during dry weather[/QUOTE]

The islands are used to rain, life goes on normal. My statement has always been if you don't like rain don't go to the pacific islands cuz it always rains.

However just to note, there is a drought (which means instead of raining every day it rains every four or five days where I'm at) going on and is due to spread the pacific. I'd say the weather for this spring / summer will be hot(er) and dry(er) then normal. Which should be fine for most folks. But we did start rationing water in some villages.

[QUOTE=Khornal] I don't want to be rained out. Is it a good time to go for some mongering? And how is the hooters down there as well.[/QUOTE]

The heat is likely to bother you more than the rain. Its bloody hot and humid in June but, working in the ME, you will be acclimatised to the heat, if not the humidity.

Umbrellas are cheap here:). Not the best destination for a boob man though.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]The heat is likely to bother you more than the rain. Its bloody hot and humid in June but, working in the ME, you will be acclimatised to the heat, if not the humidity. [/QUOTE]
There is a severe drought in the PI right now caused by the El Nino effect.
The weather seems quite weird for this time of year, and hot summer temps are earlier this year. El Nino will persist through to mid-year and beyond, so CS is right - the heat will bother you more than the rain.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Umbrellas are cheap here:). Not the best destination for a boob man though.[/QUOTE]LOL I realy ment the restaurant, its been a while since I had some good wings, and heared they had a hooters (tm) restuarant in Manila. Nothing like hookers hooters and hotels all at a reasonable price to say "what a great vacation"

I plan to hit up Manila and AC while I'm down there.

Thanks everyone!

Yes, Davao is less influenced by the monsoon, but GE, as he as previously mentioned in the Davao thread, drives a motor vehicle.

Davao weather is good....and the city is great in many different ways, but to say that the "rains don't put a damper on much of anything" is way off mark.

You will NOT get a taxi when it rains. Okay, you might if you are waiting in the taxi cue at Marco Polo.

Rain causes taxi drought.... X

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Khornal:

I'm not sure where you're planning to go on your vacation. Here in Davao, most of the intense rains happen during the early evening--between 5 and 7--and last for approximately an hour. That's not to say it never rains during the day, just most of the time the heavy rains occur for an hour at night. No worries though, as the rains don't put a damper on much of anything, and all activities continue much as they do during dry weather.

GE[/QUOTE]

I'm in a state of 'sticker shock' after looking into 2 months coverage for my coming trip to P. I. Here in Canada I have been quoted over a thousand dollars for two months coverage. Now, granted, I am over the hill, a smoker, and have a few other (stable) health issues. However, that thousand dollars plus ($US) can go a long way for other purposes in P. I.

Some members have suggested not to bother, as health costs are considerably cheaper in the Philippines. However, a major issue would still, undoubtedly, be a fair whack of cash.

Has anyone purchased medical/travel insurance in P. I? Most importantly, does anyone have experience with actually being reimbursed?

I would appreciate some immediate feed-back on this, as I will be leaving soon. BTW, I have spent several months on two previous trips, in the Philippines, so generally know my way around.

Thanks for any suggestions! Questor 55

Skip the insurance. I don't know your ailments, but if they are serious enough, fly yourself to BKK or HK for treatment. The treatment is first rate, the price is cheap.

[QUOTE=X Man]Yes, Davao is less influenced by the monsoon, but GE, as he as previously mentioned in the Davao thread, drives a motor vehicle.

to say that the "rains don't put a damper on much of anything" is way off mark.

You will NOT get a taxi when it rains. Okay, you might if you are waiting in the taxi cue at Marco Polo.

Rain causes taxi drought.... X[/QUOTE]
X is correct and I'm not. I forgot that, since I've got my own car, I never experience the need for a taxi, but they do tend to become scarce in the rain and they're usually plentiful.

GE

[QUOTE=Questor 55]I'm in a state of 'sticker shock' after looking into 2 months coverage for my coming trip to P. I. Here in Canada I have been quoted over a thousand dollars for two months coverage. Now, granted, I am over the hill, a smoker, and have a few other (stable) health issues. However, that thousand dollars plus ($US) can go a long way for other purposes in P. I.

Some members have suggested not to bother, as health costs are considerably cheaper in the Philippines. However, a major issue would still, undoubtedly, be a fair whack of cash.

Has anyone purchased medical/travel insurance in P. I? Most importantly, does anyone have experience with actually being reimbursed?

I would appreciate some immediate feed-back on this, as I will be leaving soon. BTW, I have spent several months on two previous trips, in the Philippines, so generally know my way around.

Thanks for any suggestions! Questor 55[/QUOTE]Questor,

I have a bacteria infestion from a insect bite last week in AC when to AU hostpital see a medical doctor she give me a prescreption of antibiotic cost is only 650 peso and the drug cost 2800 peso ,drug in Pi is much higher than china or thailand .

I did purchase travel insurance for medical only cost is only 36 usd in the US
[url]www.insumytrip.com[/url] for the best plan for you ,so get the insurance before you leave your country.



fast eddie 48

Standing in the pouring rain with a single flimsy umbrella, trying to get a taxi, with a woman I had just met, was miserable.

Of course when we finally reached our destination, we both were more than eager to shed our wet clothes.

Sometimes bad luck provides unexpected rewards. X

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]....., but they do tend to become scarce in the rain and they're usually plentiful.

GE[/QUOTE]

Would someone help direct me to this website?

Thanks

Was in Angeles last month.

Warning: Do not buy Viag or Cial from street vendors.

I bought a bogus product- Cialis in a box- and became I'll shortly thereafter.

I think there was a connection. Use the Pharmacies.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]
I have a bacteria infestion from a insect bite last week in AC when to AU hostpital see a medical doctor she give me a prescreption of antibiotic cost is only 650 peso and the drug cost 2800 peso ,drug in Pi is much higher than china or thailand[/QUOTE]

Did you fill your scrip at the hospital pharmacy? Big mistake as they overcharge big time there. Best to take it to Mercury or preferably Generic Pharmacy where you can pick up perfectly good medicines at bargain rates.

For example a broad spectrum antibiotic (and anti-malarial) such as doxycycline is 1 peso a tablet at Generic. A hospital pharmacy will charge you upwards of 50 pesos a tablet.

Dr. Stunt, thank you for your wisdom. Any meds for my addiction to skinny sx?

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Did you fill your scrip at the hospital pharmacy? Big mistake as they overcharge big time there. Best to take it to Mercury or preferably Generic Pharmacy where you can pick up perfectly good medicines at bargain rates.

For example a broad spectrum antibiotic (and anti-malarial) such as doxycycline is 1 peso a tablet at Generic. A hospital pharmacy will charge you upwards of 50 pesos a tablet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Dr. Stunt, thank you for your wisdom. Any meds for my addiction to skinny sx?[/QUOTE]

Yup, a daily visit (for her) to Jollibees is in order. You would soon have chubby sx. Wouldn't cure your addiction but would sure make her happy.

Why post pics on the General Info thread, you maniac!!

During my trip to AC last January, one of my buddies met a girl who wanted to fuck him bad but couldn't because she was on the rag. She got off work that morning and showed up at his hotel room with Mefenamic Acid, took it and told him her menstruation would stop within two hours. Sure enough, it stopped and they commenced to fucking!

I've been on the mongering scene for some time and have never heard of this stuff. I'm wondering how dangerous it is for the girls to use this type of medication, and how wide spread the use is in the bar scene world. Has anyone else heard of this?

YM

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Questor,

I have a bacteria infestion from a insect bite last week in AC when to AU hostpital see a medical doctor she give me a prescreption of antibiotic cost is only 650 peso and the drug cost 2800 peso ,drug in Pi is much higher than china or thailand .

I did purchase travel insurance for medical only cost is only 36 usd in the US
[url]www.insumytrip.com[/url] for the best plan for you ,so get the insurance before you leave your country.



fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
In 2009 I went to the emergency room once in Davao and Once in Makati. Both times the cost was around $20 for something easy. Not sure what a major illness would cost you.

The Medicine was not that too expensive, and there seems to be a couple of pharmacies in every mall.

[QUOTE=Yella Man]During my trip to AC last January, one of my buddies met a girl who wanted to fuck him bad but couldn't because she was on the rag. She got off work that morning and showed up at his hotel room with Mefenamic Acid, took it and told him her menstruation would stop within two hours. Sure enough, it stopped and they commenced to fucking!

I've been on the mongering scene for some time and have never heard of this stuff. I'm wondering how dangerous it is for the girls to use this type of medication, and how wide spread the use is in the bar scene world. Has anyone else heard of this?

YM[/QUOTE]

Mefenamic Acid is a pain-killer sold here over the counter in the PI - some people take it routinely for headaches. It is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) so it is not just a regular headache pill and should be treated with some respect.
I know some women take it when they have menstrual pain and cramps, but I have never heard of it "stopping" menstruation like your friend claims it did for his girl.
Logic tells me that the accumulated blood has to keep coming out as a natural blood flow until it is finished. I cant imagine anything like this stopping that process.
Maybe it was just a freaky coincidence?
Hope someone who actually knows the pharmacology can enlighten us?

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Maybe it was just a freaky coincidence?
Hope someone who actually knows the pharmacology can enlighten us?[/QUOTE]

My GF took something (chinese written all over it) and did the same thing and it worked for her (and luckily for me) but took 1 night not to stop not a day. Then her period was heavy and very clotty but after I left and she was in severe pain. Can not be healthy whatever happened.

I'd say there are magic pills out there for anything (and most come from china and i've seen things floating all over PI and Thai) but I sure as hell don't trust them medically.

Did I commit some sort of faux pas?

Every thread has the photo load function - it must be there for a reason.

There are a lot of lurkers who never make it past the photo thread. In fact some of my best booty was displayed under posts disguised as hotel recommendations.

Did you miss those?

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Yup, a daily visit (for her) to Jollibees is in order. You would soon have chubby sx. Wouldn't cure your addiction but would sure make her happy.

Why post pics on the General Info thread, you maniac!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Did I commit some sort of faux pas?

Every thread has the photo load function - it must be there for a reason.

There are a lot of lurkers who never make it past the photo thread. In fact some of my best booty was displayed under posts disguised as hotel recommendations.

Did you miss those?[/QUOTE]

Probably, as, having my own place, I have little reason to look at the hotel threads, although the Manila Hotel thread is interesting enough for I'm a hot sheet motel aficionado. Its also as funny as hell when a certain character gets off more on the expensiveness and stariness (is that a word?) of his flop rather than the quality of the pussy he is flopping with. Now that is hilarious:D.

I digress. I recall you posting a doggy top shot (my favourite pose) on the PG chit-chat board. Now that IS fucking perverse but this is the degree of nutty individuality we expect from you. Are you still taking the pills?

Admittedly 95% of lurkers on the photo galleries are probably just that and won't be contributing anything useful in the foreseeable future (although Jackson luvs 'em as they pay his rent). The other 5% are just waiting for the opportunity and encouragement and a few choice pics might just be what is needed to get them digging through those old holiday snaps to show off their own stuff.

I might be wrong, but I think that it is the Photo Galleries what keep sites such as these afloat. Look at the viewing figures on all the forums, PG's threads viz a viz all other threads and you will see what I mean.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Mefenamic Acid is a pain-killer sold here over the counter in the PI - some people take it routinely for headaches. It is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) so it is not just a regular headache pill and should be treated with some respect.
I know some women take it when they have menstrual pain and cramps, but I have never heard of it "stopping" menstruation like your friend claims it did for his girl.
Logic tells me that the accumulated blood has to keep coming out as a natural blood flow until it is finished. I cant imagine anything like this stopping that process.
Maybe it was just a freaky coincidence?
Hope someone who actually knows the pharmacology can enlighten us?[/QUOTE]

I hear what you're saying, but she specifically told him she would be able to have sex without blood 2 hours later. True to her word, she was able to. The crazy shit bar girls do!

YM

If you fly Cebu pacific you'll end up at NAIA Terminal 3.

Right after the customs there are some cafés and shops. In the middle there is a "DeliFrance" and on the left there is a Chaikofi.

The password for the wifi of that place is " vanillafrappe " (valid on March 3rd 2010 at least)

I'm mentionning this because this place has crappy cafe. So with this pass you can log from the other cafe.

Eventually the password will change so no need to bug me about it!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Mefenamic Acid is a pain-killer sold here over the counter in the PI - some people take it routinely for headaches. It is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) so it is not just a regular headache pill and should be treated with some respect.
I know some women take it when they have menstrual pain and cramps, but I have never heard of it "stopping" menstruation like your friend claims it did for his girl.
Logic tells me that the accumulated blood has to keep coming out as a natural blood flow until it is finished. I cant imagine anything like this stopping that process.
Maybe it was just a freaky coincidence?
Hope someone who actually knows the pharmacology can enlighten us?[/QUOTE]
WOW goggle it...I did....some bad shit:(

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefenamic_acid[/url]

I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but here goes:

She had a very special appointment, so told YM's friend that she was on her period. After servicing her OTHER "friend/husband/customer..." she then showed up the next day to see YM friend. Smart gal that she is, she had some miracle drug...and it worked?

I hate to date myself, but in 1980, my first visit to the Philippines I learned that Filipina will tell you what you want to hear.

I could be completely wrong, but only the gal can tell us for sure. YM, what is you take?

X (if you know the company that sells this drug, send a pm. I want to buy stock before the price rises)


[QUOTE=Yella Man]I hear what you're saying, but she specifically told him she would be able to have sex without blood 2 hours later. True to her word, she was able to. The crazy shit bar girls do!

YM[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]

I could be completely wrong, but only the gal can tell us for sure. YM, what is you take?

X (if you know the company that sells this drug, send a pm. I want to buy stock before the price rises)[/QUOTE]

I propose an ISG experiment.

Step One: Purchase some Mefenamic Acid at your nearest pharmacy.

Step Two: Scour the clubs until you find a girl who refuses to go BF because of her monthly.

Step Three: Give her the solution to her problem (Mefenamic Acid).

Step Four: Have girl squat over your face so you can tell the exact second the blood stops flowing (if it actually does stop).

Step Five: Double check flow stoppage by maneuvering girl into numerous sexual positions and pumping girl furiously.

Step Six: Stop by ISG to report your results.

:)

YM

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]My GF took something (Chinese written all over it) and did the same thing and it worked for her (and luckily for me) but took 1 night not to stop not a day. Then her period was heavy and very clotty but after I left and she was in severe pain. Can not be healthy whatever happened.

I'd say there are magic pills out there for anything (and most come from China and I've seen things floating all over PI and Thai) but I sure as hell don't trust them medically.[/QUOTE]I had a plan to meet a lady a while back. She told me that she was expecting her period any day, but if I was 100% sure to meet her she could get some medication to delay it.

Sure enough on the day in question, she was ready to play. Two days later when I went for a repeat she told me she was out of action. Never did get the name of the product but it seemed to work She had done some research on internet to find this product she told me.

I’ve got an ATM question about the best bank card to use. When I’m in the Phils I use my Wells Fargo card which charges me $5 for the transaction but no foreign currency fee. I contacted Citibank bcuz I know they have a branch in Makati. Since I have a Citi ATM card also they won’t charge me a transaction fee if I use their ATM but will charge a 3% foreign currency fee. I contacted HSBC and their policy is the same as Citi’s.

So, for you experienced guys, is there a bank there that does not charge a foreign currency fee if you have an account with them? I’m referring to international banks that one can open an account in the USA.
Thanks guys.

Southbound69

[QUOTE=Southbound69]I’ve got an ATM question about the best bank card to use. When I’m in the Phils I use my Wells Fargo card which charges me $5 for the transaction but no foreign currency fee. I contacted Citibank bcuz I know they have a branch in Makati. Since I have a Citi ATM card also they won’t charge me a transaction fee if I use their ATM but will charge a 3% foreign currency fee. I contacted HSBC and their policy is the same as Citi’s.

So, for you experienced guys, is there a bank there that does not charge a foreign currency fee if you have an account with them? I’m referring to international banks that one can open an account in the USA.
Thanks guys.

Southbound69[/QUOTE]
I use Compass Bank because they reimburse all ATM fees foreighn and domestic. Just keep all reciepts and either send them or take them personally to the bank. In your monthly statement you will see about 5 bucks credited to your account! Not bad deal!

Manila is suffering from power shortages in increasingly frequent intervals due to reduced water levels courtesy of the weather phenomenon dubbed El Nino. Brown outs have became very common.

It helps to have a bank which has customer relationship levels based on how much business you're doing with them. At higher levels (larger deposits and/or loan balances, etc), all your ATM fees will be reimbursed. In the US, you can look into credit unions as well. There are banks that will not charge the 3% foreign transaction fee on your ATM card or your Visa credit card. Just have to find them.

But let's face it, you are still going to pay some fees (e.g., currency exchange and Visa or MC international transaction fees), that is unavoidable. Just saying your total fees can be made smaller if you're willing to take the time to shop around. And as I said above, it helps a lot to have big balances.

you probably already have ten or so guys lined up at the drugstore.

from out friends at wikipedia: mefenamic acid is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug used to treat pain, including menstrual pain. it is typically prescribed for oral administration.

mefenamic acid is known to cause an upset stomach, therefore it is recommended to take prescribed doses together with food or milk. instances of drowsiness may also occur. as such, it is recommended to avoid driving or consuming alcohol while taking this medication.

other known mild side effects of mefenamic acid include headaches, nervousness and vomiting. serious side effects may include diarrhoea, bloody vomit,blood [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url](haematuria.blurred vision, skin rash, itching and swelling, sore throat and fever. it is advised to consult a doctor immediately if these symptoms appear while taking this medication.

[quote=yella man]i propose an isg experiment.

step one: purchase some mefenamic acid at your nearest pharmacy.

step two: scour the clubs until you find a girl who refuses to go bf because of her monthly.

step three: give her the solution to her problem (mefenamic acid).

step four: have girl squat over your face so you can tell the exact second the blood stops flowing (if it actually does stop).

step five: double check flow stoppage by maneuvering girl into numerous sexual positions and pumping girl furiously.

step six: stop by isg to report your results.

:)

ym[/quote]

[QUOTE=Southbound69]I’ve got an ATM question about the best bank card to use. When I’m in the Phils I use my Wells Fargo card which charges me $5 for the transaction but no foreign currency fee. I contacted Citibank bcuz I know they have a branch in Makati. Since I have a Citi ATM card also they won’t charge me a transaction fee if I use their ATM but will charge a 3% foreign currency fee. I contacted HSBC and their policy is the same as Citi’s.

So, for you experienced guys, is there a bank there that does not charge a foreign currency fee if you have an account with them? I’m referring to international banks that one can open an account in the USA.
Thanks guys.

Southbound69[/QUOTE]Most ATMs and Visas will charge you a foreign transaction fee and/or service fees.

One of the best is the Charles Schwab ATM; they will rebate the ATM machine transaction fee and they do not charge a foreign transaction fee. You can link from your bank to Charles Schwab. There's a few minor details (need to open up brokerage acccount; no money needed; they rebate into brokerage account; takes 1 week to move money from brokerage to bank), but it's the best I found. See their website for details and to apply.

The Charles Schwab Visa is also good. They don't charge foreign transaction fees; and you get back 2% rebate. Best way to pay away (since you get the commercial bank exchange rate; but only if the merchant doesn't charge you extra).

Capital One Visa also does not charge foreign transactions fees.

All the other Visas I have charge the 3% foreign transactions fee.

[QUOTE=Supersteve]O.K, be nice, or not, and give me sh*t!!! LOL I have RTTF and haven't found the answer yet.

I am flying into Manila for my first PI trip, and then onto AC for a week, returning to Manila for the final night.

I am assuming that I can buy a Sim, and minutes, at the Manila airport, but where? Also is Smart the best system to go with. My plan is to use it to text 4-5 friends that will be there also. I doubt I will make many calls to ladies. I am more of a ST, one and done kind of guy. I seldom repeat with ladies, especially on the same trip.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

I landed at Termina 1 (Asiana) today. Just after immigraiton on the right hand side where you collect luggage was a vending machine selling Smart load cards.

Just outside the luggage area but before you got to the street I saw at least 2 differnet kiosks selling Smart and some other carrier's load cards. I stopped at one just to check. They had 300 and 500 loads for smart and a smart sim card.

I am going to post this in all three country forums and evaluate the responses over the next day or two before deciding. I would really appreciate your opinions.

I am planning my first trip in April for a week to either Vietnam, Thailand or the Philippines.

Would you please offer your opinions to someone who has never been to either of these places?

I love to monger but I also enjoy going to some of the touristy/scenic/historic locations of countries I visit.

I was thinking that Vietnam might be a good combination because I was in the service during the Vietnam War, although not actually in Vietnam. But there are many important places there that I would like to see. I'm just not sure how much I can do of the visiting while also taking care of the mongering especially since I will only be there for a week and many of the Vietnam era sights are spread out and may be in smaller cities or rural areas.

The other choices are Thailand and the Philippines. Thailand is definitely cheaper than Manilla to fly to from Los Angeles. Plus I read on the threads that it costs less to monger in Thailand than in the Philippines.

I think there might be some more important historical and other sights to see in Thailand than in the Philippines, but that is just an impression. I am not sure what I would do in the Philippines other than monger. I am not a beach person due to my age (59) and fair skin.

I would appreciate your thoughts. Please don't read into the above comments that I necessarily prefer Vietnam. In fact I was originally thinking about the Philippines, then about Thailand due to the cost of the flights. I then started thinking about Vietnam but it is still only a thought.

I am first and foremost committed to the mongering aspects and would like that to be given the largest weight in any advice you care to give.

Also if you think there is somewhere else I should consider like Jakarta or Singapore for my first ever mongering trip please let me know.

Thank you very much for your insights.

ER2

You have posed an interesting set of questions, and I suppose the answer lies in your primary motivation for taking your trip.

If places to see and cultural factors are among your chief motivations, then I'd consider Vietnam or Thailand as destinations and forget the Philippines. There's really very little here of cultural interest and not very much to see. If you're going to go primarily to big cities, then Bangkok and/or Hanoi or Ho Chi Minh City are far more interesting than Manila, which is pretty much of a shit hole.

If you want to combine sex tourism with sites of interest, then, in my opinion, Thailand is the best alternative. There's lots to see, and the mongering possibilities are endless. Vietnam is a bit more iffy for sex: there aren't nearly as many venues as there are in Thailand and even then, it's a bit tough to get girls back into a hotel room.

On the other hand, if you're looking for endless sex with as many women as possible, and that's your primary motivation, then the Philippines or Thailand are probably better choices. The difference is that the sex industry in Thailand is ubiquitous and well organized. Though sex venues are plentiful in the Philippines, they're not nearly as concentrated and not nearly as well organized. However, you're much more likely to get true GFE in the Philippines and the whole thing seems less commercial here, though that's only an illusion. In the Philippines, you're much more likely to meet and bed non-professionals as a tourist than you are in Thailand. Plus, of course, most of the women you will meet in the Philippines will speak at least a modicum of English.

Personally, I would choose Thailand because some sort of cultural resonance is important to me. But then, I live in the Philippines, and there's not a lot of fascination left in the country for me.

GE

[QUOTE=Easy Rider 2]Thank you very much for your insights.[/QUOTE]

Thailand.... view in that forum

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]But then, I live in the Philippines, and there's not a lot of fascination left in the country for me.[/QUOTE]

Besides the endless parade of 18 / 19 / 20 year old freebies there isn't much fascination for many of us I think.

However each year brings a new crop that come of age (and generally with more advanced skills then the group before them) and that does keep my interest :D

For someone going only for a week and for the first time, my suggestion would probably be Thailand since it is very straightforward. Philippines and Vietnam are harder work IMHO. But there are exceptions.

With Thailand, you can fly into BKK quite easily, find any hotel, have pussy playground by the afternoon or evening, and photographer's paradise all day next day with the exotic sights, sounds, scents of grand temples sparkling in the sun, floating markets, colourful Thai dancing snd so on, any if which xan blow you away. And you only need a glance through Lonely Planet or a quick chat with hotel reception to do the lot.

To do the combo in Philippines, you could go to Angeles City, a concentration of girlie bars and little else (unless you dig quite hard and deep) and organise a day trip to Pinatubo volcano (which I would possibly call one of the marvels of the modern world). Travel arrangements in Philippines can be a hassle I found, even with advance preparation. You could also go to Manila and LA Cafe and arrange day trips out of Manila for touristy things but getting out if Manila can be quite hard work.

Vietnam does have attractions, especially emotional ones I think and especially if you have been in the forces, but far less than Cambodia (I cannot find a single country that we in the West have f*cked up so totally, utterly, unjustifiably, etc and the destruction of the soul for anyone opening themselves to the facts is awesome). But the best touristy things are not aligned with the best P4P there, and the lack of infrastructure means sorting things out can be quite hard work - hard to get the best out of it in a week).

The downsides of Bangkok include traffic fumes and the fact that the sex scene is highly commercialised. But you can minimise this by avoiding travel at rush hour, using a hotel near some of the action, and trying your hand with freelancers if the main strips are too intense.

I was planning to go to Angeles and just now realized that the last week of march / first week of april is eastern. Am I right to think that it would probably be a good idea to postpone to 4-13th of April?

[QUOTE=Easy Rider 2]I love to monger but I also enjoy going to some of the touristy/scenic/historic locations of countries I visit.[/QUOTE]
With this condition I'd suggest Thailand.
Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Easy Rider 2]I am going to post this in all three country forums and evaluate the responses over the next day or two before deciding. I would really appreciate your opinions.

I am planning my first trip in April for a week to either Vietnam, Thailand or the Philippines.

Would you please offer your opinions to someone who has never been to either of these places?

I love to monger but I also enjoy going to some of the touristy/scenic/historic locations of countries I visit.

I was thinking that Vietnam might be a good combination because I was in the service during the Vietnam War, although not actually in Vietnam. But there are many important places there that I would like to see. I'm just not sure how much I can do of the visiting while also taking care of the mongering especially since I will only be there for a week and many of the Vietnam era sights are spread out and may be in smaller cities or rural areas.

The other choices are Thailand and the Philippines. Thailand is definitely cheaper than Manilla to fly to from Los Angeles. Plus I read on the threads that it costs less to monger in Thailand than in the Philippines.

I think there might be some more important historical and other sights to see in Thailand than in the Philippines, but that is just an impression. I am not sure what I would do in the Philippines other than monger. I am not a beach person due to my age (59) and fair skin.

I would appreciate your thoughts. Please don't read into the above comments that I necessarily prefer Vietnam. In fact I was originally thinking about the Philippines, then about Thailand due to the cost of the flights. I then started thinking about Vietnam but it is still only a thought.

I am first and foremost committed to the mongering aspects and would like that to be given the largest weight in any advice you care to give.

Also if you think there is somewhere else I should consider like Jakarta or Singapore for my first ever mongering trip please let me know.

Thank you very much for your insights.

ER2[/QUOTE]

Thailand is almost certainly your best bet. VN has interesting stuff to see though a week is not long enough, but the sex industry is heavily repressed by the government so it sucks as a mongering destination. if you want to try Vietnamese girls you would be much better off in Cambodia where about half the providers are from Vietnam - cute but way too commerical.

Thailand has a great mix of cultural sites, great food , good quality and value hotels and a highly organised sex scene. Probably the best bet if mongering is the prioority would be to check the palaces and temples in BKK for a couple iof days then herad south to Pattaya. The beach resort itself isnt that great but the sex scene is muchg beter value than the more well known resorts such as Phuket and Samui.

In my opinion the main reason for choosing the Phils would be if you wanted to indulge in the online dating GFE scene which is infinitely beter in Phils than anywhere else in asia or probably th whole world. Not muh in the way of cultural attractions though actually there are some world class beaches esp in palawan.

[QUOTE=Easy Rider 2]I am going to post this in all three country forums and evaluate the responses over the next day or two before deciding. I would really appreciate your opinions.

I am planning my first trip in April for a week to either Vietnam, Thailand or the Philippines.

Would you please offer your opinions to someone who has never been to either of these places?

...................................

Thank you very much for your insights.

ER2[/QUOTE]From an attitude perspective perhaps Philippines is better. Whereas in Thailand the whole mongering scene is just another business and therefore girls are more transactional, in Philippines one still gets to see some 'innocence' in dealings. You are more likely to get a GFE experience in Philippines than in Thailand, while the effort needed to get a girl is about the same.

Hi,

I'm just wondering if anyone on the forum can give me some advice regarding the level of support I should provide to get a bar girl out of the bar and into her own place in AC. I'm well aware of all the guys that have been ripped off and taken advantage of so I really don't want any comments of that nature, just a realistic assessment of how much is needed. I read on the internet that the average wage for a computer engineer is about P25, 000 per month down to say a shop assistant earning P6, 000 per month but that doesn't mean it is possible to survive well on 6K (they may have to share or live with family at just above poverty level). I'm guessing that a reasonable figure would be between 10K and 20K per month. Does that sound reasonable?

Many thanks for any info!

[QUOTE=Sexy Geezer]Hi,

I'm just wondering if anyone on the forum can give me some advice regarding the level of support I should provide to get a bar girl out of the bar and into her own place in AC. I'm well aware of all the guys that have been ripped off and taken advantage of so I really don't want any comments of that nature, just a realistic assessment of how much is needed. I read on the internet that the average wage for a computer engineer is about P25, 000 per month down to say a shop assistant earning P6, 000 per month but that doesn't mean it is possible to survive well on 6K (they may have to share or live with family at just above poverty level). I'm guessing that a reasonable figure would be between 10K and 20K per month. Does that sound reasonable?

Many thanks for any info![/QUOTE]

The figures above are about right. I would guess a good bar girl inAC will make around P20-30k a month so a shop assistant wage isn't goin to be very attractive. I would expect most girls collecting 6k from foreigners would continue working the bars. Say P15k a month would be very comfortable for her but as doubtless many have told you, if she is in AC she may well find ways of supplementing that income whilst you are gone.

[QUOTE=Easy Rider 2]

I am planning my first trip in April for a week to either Vietnam, Thailand or the Philippines.

I love to monger but I also enjoy going to some of the touristy/scenic/historic locations of countries I visit.

[/QUOTE]

I have never been to Vietnam so I can't offer any advice on that choice.

The first question I ask is, "Are you going alone?"
If yes, "Do you speak Thai or Vietnamese?"

I have been to Thailand twice and the Philippines 6 times - always alone except for the first trip in 2003. The 2nd time I went to Thailand I went alone and it was a horrible nightmare for me. I am not a world traveler and the language barrier was too much to cope with (both times actually).

I much prefer the Philippines because English is widely spoken by the ladies. As far as other things to do, I have been to Corregidor Island and that was an enjoyable day trip. The volcano at Lake Taal is also a good day trip. I rode a small horse up to the rim.

I like LA Café in Manila for its bar type pickup scene. I met and spent time with some very beautiful girls at the LA Café tho they are in the minority. I have always had a good experience with whomever I took home that night.

I also take a trip to Angeles City for a day or 2. I have always rented a car and driven there and I enjoy that experience too. I factor in the cost of a bribe as some policeman always pulls me over for whatever reason they fancy at the moment. I pay the bribe quickly and get on my way…lol.

Either place should be ok. I did have 1 interesting night in BKK at Soi Cowboy, but mid-evening I spent some time in an English Pub around the corner chatting with some British lads. Again, it goes back to communicating for me. Then went back and barfine my girl for the evening. Just fucking and no conversation.

As they say…Up To You!!! LOL.

Enjoy,
Bob

[QUOTE=GregLondon]The figures above are about right. I would guess a good bar girl inAC will make around P20-30k a month so a shop assistant wage isn't goin to be very attractive. I would expect most girls collecting 6k from foreigners would continue working the bars. Say P15k a month would be very comfortable for her but as doubtless many have told you, if she is in AC she may well find ways of supplementing that income whilst you are gone.[/QUOTE]Thanks greglondon. I've already discussed this with her and if she needs to supplement then that's ok with me. She currently earns 20K average (she's pretty hot) and I offered her 14K which she accepted. I've already done some checking, eg. Using dummy myspace accounts to hit on her and she hasn't chatted with any of them so I'm pretty sure she's going to do right thing for now. No guarantees but I accept that.

Greg London already answered your question, so I'd just like to say thanks for the great pictures you posted on the photo thread.

Somewhat related...to pics...

For any newcomers who think they might like to post pictures, please do so, BUT, you will soon get PM asking for contact info and price. Responding is such a bad idea....on several diff levels - esp for her. THink about it.

If thinking is too hard for you at the moment, let me say that seducing unmarried adult women is not illegal. Some things are illegal and there is where you have to think...

X

[QUOTE=Sexy Geezer]Hi,

I'm just wondering

Many thanks for any info![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sexy Geezer]Hi,

I'm just wondering if anyone on the forum can give me some advice regarding the level of support I should provide to get a bar girl out of the bar and into her own place in AC. I'm well aware of all the guys that have been ripped off and taken advantage of so I really don't want any comments of that nature, just a realistic assessment of how much is needed. I read on the internet that the average wage for a computer engineer is about P25, 000 per month down to say a shop assistant earning P6, 000 per month but that doesn't mean it is possible to survive well on 6K (they may have to share or live with family at just above poverty level). I'm guessing that a reasonable figure would be between 10K and 20K per month. Does that sound reasonable?

Many thanks for any info![/QUOTE]

20K is just about right, the water bill, electricity bill, mobile bill, transportation would itself cost 5k plus rent. She will have no savings with 20k if she wants to live reasonably in a western standard of living.

If you want her to be truly independent, you could give her more for savings, but Filipinos rarely save so better to open a joint fixed deposit account.

Its just a myth that computer engineers earn less in PH....i have dated some girls who work in call center and their salary is well over 100,000 pesos..the starting salary to work in a western owned call center is 15 to 20k.

Most of the girls who work in bars, with some effort and coaching classes could easily land a job in call center. The thing is there is no motivation, desire etc on the girls part to do well, if you push her, she may very well get a decent job in a call center.

[QUOTE=Its just a myth that computer engineers earn less in PH....i have dated some girls who work in call center and their salary is well over 100,000 pesos..the starting salary to work in a western owned call center is 15 to 20k.
[/QUOTE]

I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious. Are ypu saying girls at call centers can make over 100,000 per month or per year? If per month then that explains why I mostly hear Indian accents when call those customer service numbers.

[QUOTE=Toronto]I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious. Are ypu saying girls at call centers can make over 100,000 per month or per year? If per month then that explains why I mostly hear Indian accents when call those customer service numbers.[/QUOTE]

lol....so true dude...I'm from India and some 12 years back, when call center work was transfered to India. my first job after graduation due to lack of another opportunity was at a call center HP printers and Dell PC customer service. You might have heard me. :)

Yes, it is 100,000 PHP or INR/month both currency value are same, which is just 2100 USD per month minus all the benefits that American company gives to the employee. They still have huge profit by outsourcing work to India and PH.

However, in order to reach that level of salary, you must have worked on the same company for 2-3 years and or had more than 5 years of experience, with that kinda knowledge, the same guy in US would have double the 2000 dollars they offer to Filipinos. That is why outsourcing is so much profitable.

During the last six years or so, many American companies prefer Philippines than India due to more neutral accent of the Filipinos and more in tune with American culture. Now a days, it is like back office technical stuff for India and direct customer response work to Philippines.

Call center work is booming in PH and is set to take India out in 10 years or so. With that said, call center job is a thankless job, work on the graveyard shift (night shift) all year long, doing the same monotonous work again and again and again . Attrition rate is well over 80% in call center jobs. so for a bar girl willing to climb up in life, it is a good ladder to step into, but for a regular girl, all years of experience in a call center is wasted if she wants to pursue higher than taking calls. No body counts CC experience in real world works. Its a dicey situation.

[QUOTE=Sexy Geezer]Hi,

I'm just wondering if anyone on the forum can give me some advice regarding the level of support I should provide to get a bar girl out of the bar and into her own place in AC. I'm well aware of all the guys that have been ripped off and taken advantage of so I really don't want any comments of that nature, just a realistic assessment of how much is needed. I read on the internet that the average wage for a computer engineer is about P25, 000 per month down to say a shop assistant earning P6, 000 per month but that doesn't mean it is possible to survive well on 6K (they may have to share or live with family at just above poverty level). I'm guessing that a reasonable figure would be between 10K and 20K per month. Does that sound reasonable?

Many thanks for any info![/QUOTE]
If you want to get a bargirl out get her out of AC. The temptations are too much for her to play behind your back. Unless you are living with her in AC there is no way to check on her.
The bargirls are stuck in the routine. It is exciting for them to meet people from all over the world, screw few, sleep late, wake up late, sometimes wined and dined and free money thrown in their way. For a country girl who is literally bored with her life in the provinces it is Heaven. these are not my words. These are the info I get from the girls. Even when they go home , they cannot wait to come back. I have seen, heard, experienced with girls who play when their " boyfriends", sponsors etc are not in town.
I have taken one girl out of AC, supported her through school. She went back to Leyte, studied and started a small store. Although I am out of touch with her I am sure she is doing better.
If you send her back to her province it will be cheaper for you and her.

[QUOTE=Sammon]If you want to get a bargirl out get her out of AC. The temptations are too much for her to play behind your back. Unless you are living with her in AC there is no way to check on her.
The bargirls are stuck in the routine. It is exciting for them to meet people from all over the world, screw few, sleep late, wake up late, sometimes wined and dined and free money thrown in their way. For a country girl who is literally bored with her life in the provinces it is Heaven. these are not my words. These are the info I get from the girls. Even when they go home , they cannot wait to come back. I have seen, heard, experienced with girls who play when their " boyfriends", sponsors etc are not in town.
I have taken one girl out of AC, supported her through school. She went back to Leyte, studied and started a small store. Although I am out of touch with her I am sure she is doing better.
If you send her back to her province it will be cheaper for you and her.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I wouldn't want to support a girl to live in AC unless she is actually from there. I would also hope she is somehow trying to make herself better by going to school or training for a job outside of a bar. The thing is if you support her and she does nothing, she's going to get bored and I think that eventually leads to trouble.

Hi every one

I need some help and yes I have RRTFF. For weeks now but I still need help if possible

I will do a 3 week trip to Malaysia, PL and Thailand essentially for monegring purposes with some work thrown in.

I would like to get 4 or 5 days on the beach in one of these countries where I can relax and monger.

Some of the possibilities I have come up with are;

Boracay in PL

Hua Hin in Thailand. I have diine the Pattaya, phuket ko samui thing.

Or a beach resort in Malaysia. Say penang

Any adivise would be appreciated.

Thz

Academy2300

Has anyone gone to the Phillipines in May?

When is the best time to go. Early May or Late May?

[QUOTE=Sammon]If you want to get a bargirl out get her out of AC. The temptations are too much for her to play behind your back.....[/QUOTE]

If you get her out of the bar and actually do get her back to her province than you might be OK BUT .... don't take her to your country if the age difference is any more than around 5 years.
Attractive and hot bar girls who get to anywhere in the west (USA, Australia, UK etc) are suddenly confronted with a smorgasbord of white, hansum guys all of whom ogle them and try to hit on them and so their natural instincts to play will emerge, especially when they get bored with the same old sex at home.

Unless of course they are madly truly deeply in love with you LOL

[QUOTE=El Toro]Has anyone gone to the Phillipines in May?

When is the best time to go. Early May or Late May?[/QUOTE]
May is the height of the summer here, so expect very hot and humid temperatures, which will of course vary slightly depending on where you are. By late may it will start to cool a little, but not much.

GE

[QUOTE=Academy2300]I would like to get 4 or 5 days on the beach in one of these countries where I can relax and monger.[/QUOTE]

If you have a girl, Boracay, take a girl with you, yes you can find in boracay but Indo beaches are better IMHO. Thai beaches are not good on either side IMHO unless you going very remote island. I'd still take Boracay or a Malay Beach over thai beaches, but I'll take thai ladies over Malay and I'll thai over Philippines any day of the week.

Going for just a beach, look malay and borocay. Problem is you don't say beach for what... lay out, swim, surf, diving, what?? You purposely leaving out Indo? Some good beaches in Indo and can get girls.

Overall sex and beach, I've had better times with PI girls and in Borocay then I've had in Malay but Malay is better for relaxing beaches. Better sex / beach combo is Indo.

If you don't bring a girl with you, Sabang Beach area has a great combo of diving, beach, and girlie bars. You can stay directly on Sabang's crappy little "beach" and be within two minutes of the girlie action, or you can stay an 8-10 minute walk away on Small La Laguna's nicer (but average) beach. The girls in the Sabang bar/discos this past January were of a higher quality on average than those in the EDSA bars in Manila, the Burgos Street bars in Makati, or the Angeles City bars. And the scuba diving in the Sabang area is up there with the best shore-based diving in the whole country.

[QUOTE=Academy2300]
I will do a 3 week trip to Malaysia, PL and Thailand essentially for monegring purposes with some work thrown in.

I would like to get 4 or 5 days on the beach in one of these countries where I can relax and monger.
[/quote]

That's a lot of places in 3wks. And Philippines IMHO is harder work to get around in than Malaysia or Thailand.

Koh Samui - all the tourists go to the south side of the island where all the noise nightlife and nooky resides. Do check you are not going in monsoon season whichever part you go to. But I mention it simply cos if you go to the north side - where the beaches face Ko Pan Yang - you can get a gorgeous bungalow on (yes, on) the beach for next to nothing. The worst I had was a cat yowling at night. The one bar will bring you breakfast, lunch, dinner, drinks without you moving off your hammock/couch of choice there. And any time you need sex you just get a motorbike ride into 'town.'

Hua Hin used to be awesome, but is much more built up now (I went past again on the way back from Koh Samui - don't let them tell you there's no ferry - it avoids the outrageous flight monopoly if you want to save money).

One Philippines beach I'd recommend if you don't care that it isn't perfect white sand is the the Blue Rock area just off Barretto. Not fun to to reach (Nowhere in PHP is unless you just bite the bullet and pay 5star tourist prices). But worth it for the great floating bar, the hotel of the same name that had good standards at very reasonable prices. I had a room about ten yards off the beach in case I didn't want to get sand between my toes. P4P available at the floating bar but more choice on the main Barretto road a few mins walk away. It' s not noisy, not as touristy as I imagine Boracay to be, and there's every manner of boating, diving, snorkling stuff available.

Of those, Koh Samui north side is the easiest. Fly to KS, taxi a short hop, P4P straightforward anywhere on the main strip, a short hop away. I'm sure Thailand still has gorgeous mainland beaches with P4P but where are they? A good thing about Thailand is the excellent transport links and the generally high availability of P4P. Malaysia has local restrictions to deal with and the best beaches don't coincide with the best P4P afaiaa. Philippines you have to negotiate the weird barfine system and avoid 'cherry girls' that act like they will, but won't.

[quote]
Some of the possibilities I have come up with are;

Boracay in PL

Hua Hin in Thailand. I have diine the Pattaya, phuket ko samui thing.

Or a beach resort in Malaysia. Say penang

Any adivise would be appreciated.

Thz

Academy2300[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]are suddenly confronted with a smorgasbord of white, hansum guys all of whom ogle them and try to hit on them and so their natural instincts to play will emerge, especially when they get bored with the same old sex at home.[/QUOTE]
Second risk is she'll get in touch with feminism-spoilt bitches who try to "rescue" her, because in their eyes she must be a sex slave.
Forget it, better stay with her in her home country.
The weather is better too.

Cheers!

Private Investigator in Philippine Islands.

As there are lots of guys getting in loved with BGs etc why no local expat or someone else has started a private investigation office for following are these girls trustworthy? Are these girls really the wife material? There for sure would be market for such service.

Of course no one local would appreciate that kind of activity. No bar girls, bar owners, local boy friends, fellow mongers, government officials, police... I do not know if it would be even legal... I think I answered my own questions. Maybe still there would be some suicidal or rather adventurous individuals for such venture?

This proposal is an initiation for open discussion. Just an idea. Do not take it too seriously.

[QUOTE=White Whale]Private Investigator in Philippine Islands.

As there are lots of guys getting in loved with BGs etc why no local expat or someone else has started a private investigation office for following are these girls trustworthy? Are these girls really the wife material? There for sure would be market for such service.

Of course no one local would appreciate that kind of activity. No bar girls, bar owners, local boy friends, fellow mongers, government officials, police... I do not know if it would be even legal... I think I answered my own questions. Maybe still there would be some suicidal or rather adventurous individuals for such venture?

This proposal is an initiation for open discussion. Just an idea. Do not take it too seriously.[/QUOTE]

This comes up on various boards for 3rd world countries and the answers are usually the same.
[i]
Things to consider might include -

What is the going rate to have someone killed (eg a self-styled private investigator who is a pain)[/i]

There are much more fun ways of dancing with suicide.

And it really assumes that local people are so much more stupid/unknowledgeable than foreigners, when usually the opposite of reality. And why should anyone take such a person seriously / pay them when they have no verifiable track record as an investigator? People who fall in love with working girls should weigh up the odds themselves. Bit of a con otherwise.

On the other hand, would it not be kinder just to avoid disillusioning people.

Work and play usually are best kept separate until you are married to / in a partnership with a local. ;)

[i](Am all for discussion of all and anything - but the board is about helping people find paid sex by giving field reports of experiences rather than discussion. I think discussing this might be better suited to a chatroom, don't you?)[/i]

what are the penalties/fines for overstaying a 21 day tourist visa?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]what are the penalties/fines for overstaying a 21 day tourist visa?[/QUOTE]
Overstayed my visa recently by three days and the total was just over 4000 php. About 3000 php for the extention plus 1000 php for the penalty. The fines go up the longer you fail to extend. On one occasion, I overstayed by one day but the officer did not notice!

There is some discussion of this in a few of the Yahoo Philippines forums; there are some guys on those forums who claim to do this so it's not like it hasn't been done before. But as usual one has to take their pitches with rock salt...

[QUOTE=Mattrick]On one occasion, I overstayed by one day but the officer did not notice![/QUOTE]I recently overstayed about 10 hours and while I didn't notice it, they sure did. P4040, paid at Clark Airport on my way out.

[QUOTE=White Whale]As there are lots of guys getting in loved with BGs etc why no local expat or someone else has started a private investigation office for following are these girls trustworthy?[/QUOTE]At least several guys have tried doing this kind of business in Thailand over the years. I don't think any of them have lasted at it.

Basically there's no need to investigate bargirls, except to confirm that they're doing exactly what you'd expect them to be doing, regardless of the fact that one or more poor sod somewhere thinks he's in love with them.

I know one guy who did this business, and these days much of it can be online. I think the threat of being "killed" is overstated, but obviously a concern. Of course the locals know the lay of the land better, but that is really the whole biz concept. The "investigator" is a Westerner that knows the customer as well as the lay of the land and has inside contacts / info.

Websites like this probably mean such services are less necessary, but you never know.

X

[QUOTE=Christopherd]This comes up on various boards for 3rd world countries and the answers are usually the same.
[i]
Things to consider might include -

What is the going rate to have someone killed (eg a self-styled private investigator who is a pain)[/i]

There are much more fun ways of dancing with suicide.

And it really assumes that local people are so much more stupid/unknowledgeable than foreigners, when usually the opposite of reality. And why should anyone take such a person seriously / pay them when they have no verifiable track record as an investigator? People who fall in love with working girls should weigh up the odds themselves. Bit of a con otherwise.

On the other hand, would it not be kinder just to avoid disillusioning people.

Work and play usually are best kept separate until you are married to / in a partnership with a local. ;)

[i](Am all for discussion of all and anything - but the board is about helping people find paid sex by giving field reports of experiences rather than discussion. I think discussing this might be better suited to a chatroom, don't you?)[/i][/QUOTE]

Diy SPY

I am sure these ideas have been tried so please comment if you have actual experience.

Mr X

The first idea is to set up a separate identity to check these girls out. Have more than one photo of a guy. Give him whole history, even write our a while life story in one page, so you are consistent. Set up Mr x in DIA CB or whatever. And in ymail.

You can actually have two ymail names logged in at the same time. I recently was having two conversations with one woman – under two ID's at the same time! (confused? So was I!) To the real me – she was swearing that she only chatted to me! Case closed?

Trojan Notebook

Another idea is to buy her a notebook. Especially of she asked for one. A basic notebook will cost you $500, a netbook even less. Set it up for her, with all the software she will need and an internet access USB. Also load up spy software.

You can google these. But some will silently email everything she types to you. Including her ymail password, and any chat she has. (any recommendations on the best one to try?)

Nasty? Yes. But if you are considering a private eye. This is no more nasty, it keeps you at arms length for safety reasons, gives you hard evidence AND if she was good, well you got lots of points for buying her a computer.

You will get no points for spending the same money, or more on a Detective agency.

[QUOTE=Radoboy]Diy SPY

I am sure these ideas have been tried so please comment if you have actual experience.

Mr X

The first idea is to set up a separate identity to check these girls out. Have more than one photo of a guy. Give him whole history, even write our a while life story in one page, so you are consistent. Set up Mr x in DIA CB or whatever. And in ymail.

You can actually have two ymail names logged in at the same time. I recently was having two conversations with one woman – under two ID's at the same time! (confused? So was I!) To the real me – she was swearing that she only chatted to me! Case closed?

Trojan Notebook

Another idea is to buy her a notebook. Especially of she asked for one. A basic notebook will cost you $500, a netbook even less. Set it up for her, with all the software she will need and an internet access USB. Also load up spy software.

You can google these. But some will silently email everything she types to you. Including her ymail password, and any chat she has. (any recommendations on the best one to try?)

Nasty? Yes. But if you are considering a private eye. This is no more nasty, it keeps you at arms length for safety reasons, gives you hard evidence AND if she was good, well you got lots of points for buying her a computer.

You will get no points for spending the same money, or more on a Detective agency.[/QUOTE]

I really do not understand the point of all this? If you get attached to a bar girl or even a regular girl and you try to conduct a long distance romance with her, then be prepared to have your fingers burned.

If you travel to the Philippines a few times a year and you have a regular girl that you have a great time with, why spoil the illusion by spying on her and finding out what you should have already known in the first place. Just enjoy your time together and stop worrying what she gets up to when you are not around.

I just cannot see the point in spending $500 and wasting your time and effort to spy on a girl and what will you do when you discover the worst? At least she gets to keep her nice new laptop and you have lost the illusion of love.

The story about the girl on yahoo chating to multiple guys is very old news and is one that you could repeat a million times over in all the internet cafes of South East Asia.

If you fall in love with a girl from the Philippines and conduct a long distance romance then the odds will always be stacked against you, that is just a fact of life. Settle down with the girl and provide her with a proper relationship a home and stability and you will have a very good chance of having a successful relationship. In these circumstances Pinays can make very loving, devoted and faithful partners.

Any guy that regularly sends money to a girl needs to understand right at the outset that it still does not guarantee the girls complete commitment, no matter how much she tells you that she loves you. I have sent money before but did so knowing that she would probably find someone else when I wasn't around. I considered it more of a retainer than anything else, despite the fact that I did genuinely care about her

Thanks Mortman, that is wise advice. And I will take it up.

Some lessons we need to learn the hard way. You have seen it before: "but, but my girl is different"

So I had listened here to advice like yours, but in the end the dual-personality trick saved me "face" pain and a lot of money.

The trojan notebook idea is just a concept – for the gut who wanted to hire a PI anyway.

But the real answer to your question is that some of us are not toughened up. And still "fall in love". Women are the expert manipulator and men the expert fool: since Adam and Eve.

Mortman, you and others here have the wisdom to not be manipulated. Some of us are still learning.

Thanks again for your sage advice.

[QUOTE=Mortman]I really do not understand the point of all this? If you get attached to a bar girl or even a regular girl and you try to conduct a long distance romance with her, then be prepared to have your fingers burned.

If you travel to the Philippines a few times a year and you have a regular girl that you have a great time with, why spoil the illusion by spying on her and finding out what you should have already known in the first place. Just enjoy your time together and stop worrying what she gets up to when you are not around.

I just cannot see the point in spending $500 and wasting your time and effort to spy on a girl and what will you do when you discover the worst? At least she gets to keep her nice new laptop and you have lost the illusion of love.

The story about the girl on yahoo chating to multiple guys is very old news and is one that you could repeat a million times over in all the internet cafes of South East Asia.

If you fall in love with a girl from the Philippines and conduct a long distance romance then the odds will always be stacked against you, that is just a fact of life. Settle down with the girl and provide her with a proper relationship a home and stability and you will have a very good chance of having a successful relationship. In these circumstances Pinays can make very loving, devoted and faithful partners.

Any guy that regularly sends money to a girl needs to understand right at the outset that it still does not guarantee the girls complete commitment, no matter how much she tells you that she loves you. I have sent money before but did so knowing that she would probably find someone else when I wasn't around. I considered it more of a retainer than anything else, despite the fact that I did genuinely care about her[/QUOTE]I agree. My wife is very loving, caring, the whole bit. We have an incredible son. Will be 5 months soon. The ladies there just love him.

I tell the people at work if me and my son were tag team wrestlers we'd be named.

Beauty is as beauty does.

Anyone who spends any time interacting with girls in Phils is going to do alot of texting. The three major mobile operators Smart/talkntext , Globe/TM and Sun all have promo packages which allow unlimited texting generally within network for a fixed daily or multidaily amount.

These are subscribed to by sending various codes to verious subscription numbers. I found this summary of the ofers from Smart and Globe

[url]http://www.symbianize.com/showthread.php?t=171617[/url]

[QUOTE=Radoboy]Diy SPY

I am sure these ideas have been tried so please comment if you have actual experience.

Mr X

The first idea is to set up a separate identity to check these girls out. Have more than one photo of a guy. Give him whole history, even write our a while life story in one page, so you are consistent. Set up Mr x in DIA CB or whatever. And in ymail.

You can actually have two ymail names logged in at the same time. I recently was having two conversations with one woman – under two ID's at the same time! (confused? So was I!) To the real me – she was swearing that she only chatted to me! Case closed?

Trojan Notebook

Another idea is to buy her a notebook. Especially of she asked for one. A basic notebook will cost you $500, a netbook even less. Set it up for her, with all the software she will need and an internet access USB. Also load up spy software.

You can google these. But some will silently email everything she types to you. Including her ymail password, and any chat she has. (any recommendations on the best one to try?)

Nasty? Yes. But if you are considering a private eye. This is no more nasty, it keeps you at arms length for safety reasons, gives you hard evidence AND if she was good, well you got lots of points for buying her a computer.

You will get no points for spending the same money, or more on a Detective agency.[/QUOTE]


Come on, man. You're going thorough all this shit to spy on someone? If you don't trust her, don't be in a "relationship".

Unless you live in the Philippines, the ladies are there to provide short-term companionship -- whether it's for sex or a short-time fling. THAT IS IT.

I live in the US. I find "relationship" type girls in the US. But for a release, I go to the Philippines. Ironically, I find having a short-term fling in the Philippines is great for my real relationships back home. It's great knowing I have someone to go, even for a short while, to get my fantacizes fulfilled. It makes mundane life back in the US way more tolerable.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]Anyone who spends any time interacting with girls in Phils is going to do alot of texting. The three major mobile operators Smart/talkntext , Globe/TM and Sun all have promo packages which allow unlimited texting generally within network for a fixed daily or multidaily amount.

These are subscribed to by sending various codes to verious subscription numbers. I found this summary of the ofers from Smart and Globe

[url]http://www.symbianize.com/showthread.php?t=171617[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks, very useful info. Guys use the above info, if you plan to stay longer in PH and date many girls, else be ready to burn 1000's of pesos just for texting and calling to fix a date.

Hey All,

I'm headed to PH soon for about a month. I'll probably spend time in Cebu, Manila, and a few beach / resort places. I'd appreciate some guidance / responses to the following questions from experienced PH mongers.

I've been to PH only once, for one week in 2008. I did only two chicks: one from LA Cafe (a cutie) and one from the street in Boracay. I made the stupid mistake of going to Boracay alone, thinking there'd be a lot of talent for hire there: WRONG! I loved Boracay, but it is NOT a place to go alone.

I'm American, 50ish but look 40ish (I can pass for mid-30's in Asia). I've lived in Asia much of my adult life, and I've generally picked up girls in whatever country I'm in, and gotten sex for free. I prefer non-WG's to WG's. It's not a financial thing. It's just more my style to go with non-pro's. On the other hand, I'm as depraved as the next monger, and, ideally, want to be 3-holing and doing A2M, CIM, spanking, etc. With every chick.

My ideal / fantasy is that I could meet some 18. 20 year old via DIA or other site, who is relatively inexperienced sexually and not a WG, and have her submit to my full sexual menu of needs within a day or two. If I entice the girl with some economic reward / daily allowance and the prospect of spending time with me in a nice resort, good meals, etc., is my fantasy likely to be realized, I. E., some young, inexperienced non-WG from the provinces agreeing to doing 3-hole, CIM, A2M, etc. Within a day or two of meeting? Or is this likely to be an unattainable fantasy, in which case I should either lower my sexual expectations for a young non-WG from the provinces, or just pay for a pro who will agree in advance to accommodate my specific sexual neeeds?

In PH, I got the impression that there is a vibrant market segment of semi-pro's, e. G., the underpaid office worker / store clerk or the college student needing some cash to cover school expenses. Maybe a semi-pro is the best option for me?

Many guys have posted here about chicks they've met through DIA showing up for the first meeting with a friend, mother, aunt, who have come on a bus from the provinces. It isn't clear to me, when the young chick shows up to meet me in a shopping mall with her mother/aunt, does the mother fully realize that our interest is in having sex with her daughter almost immediately, with a very low probability of it turning into an ongoing relationship or marriage? Or do they expect (or delude themselves) that it is a meeting primarily oriented toward potential marriage? Tactically, how does one handle the guardian? Do you just give the mother a few hundred pesos for lunch and her bus ride back to the provinces, while promising you'll send her daughter home safely within 1. 10 days? Do you tell the mother to hang out in the mall for a few hours while you take her daughter back to your hotel for a test ride? Do the girls themselves understand we're meeting with them primarily for sex, and they're ready to go back to our hotel after lunch, or do many of them expect non-sexual meetings?

I also wonder if anyone has had any bad experiences of some young provincial girl or semi-pro becoming a clinger, or parents or a brother showing up at your hotel complaining because you screwed their daughter / sister for a week and then sent her back home?

Apologies for my verbose post and ignorant questions as a relative newbie to PH mongering.

Thanks in advance for your helpful insights.

[QUOTE=Genkisugiru]Hey All,

I'm headed to PH soon for about a month. I'll probably spend time in Cebu, Manila, and a few beach / resort places. I'd appreciate some guidance / responses to the following questions from experienced PH mongers.

I've been to PH only once, for one week in 2008. I did only two chicks: one from LA Cafe (a cutie) and one from the street in Boracay. I made the stupid mistake of going to Boracay alone, thinking there'd be a lot of talent for hire there: WRONG! I loved Boracay, but it is NOT a place to go alone.

I'm American, 50ish but look 40ish (I can pass for mid-30's in Asia). I've lived in Asia much of my adult life, and I've generally picked up girls in whatever country I'm in, and gotten sex for free. I prefer non-WG's to WG's. It's not a financial thing. It's just more my style to go with non-pro's. On the other hand, I'm as depraved as the next monger, and, ideally, want to be 3-holing and doing A2M, CIM, spanking, etc. With every chick.

My ideal / fantasy is that I could meet some 18. 20 year old via DIA or other site, who is relatively inexperienced sexually and not a WG, and have her submit to my full sexual menu of needs within a day or two. If I entice the girl with some economic reward / daily allowance and the prospect of spending time with me in a nice resort, good meals, etc., is my fantasy likely to be realized, I. E., some young, inexperienced non-WG from the provinces agreeing to doing 3-hole, CIM, A2M, etc. Within a day or two of meeting? Or is this likely to be an unattainable fantasy, in which case I should either lower my sexual expectations for a young non-WG from the provinces, or just pay for a pro who will agree in advance to accommodate my specific sexual neeeds?

In PH, I got the impression that there is a vibrant market segment of semi-pro's, e. G., the underpaid office worker / store clerk or the college student needing some cash to cover school expenses. Maybe a semi-pro is the best option for me?

Many guys have posted here about chicks they've met through DIA showing up for the first meeting with a friend, mother, aunt, who have come on a bus from the provinces. It isn't clear to me, when the young chick shows up to meet me in a shopping mall with her mother/aunt, does the mother fully realize that our interest is in having sex with her daughter almost immediately, with a very low probability of it turning into an ongoing relationship or marriage? Or do they expect (or delude themselves) that it is a meeting primarily oriented toward potential marriage? Tactically, how does one handle the guardian? Do you just give the mother a few hundred pesos for lunch and her bus ride back to the provinces, while promising you'll send her daughter home safely within 1. 10 days? Do you tell the mother to hang out in the mall for a few hours while you take her daughter back to your hotel for a test ride? Do the girls themselves understand we're meeting with them primarily for sex, and they're ready to go back to our hotel after lunch, or do many of them expect non-sexual meetings?

I also wonder if anyone has had any bad experiences of some young provincial girl or semi-pro becoming a clinger, or parents or a brother showing up at your hotel complaining because you screwed their daughter / sister for a week and then sent her back home?

Apologies for my verbose post and ignorant questions as a relative newbie to PH mongering.

Thanks in advance for your helpful insights.[/QUOTE]

I am a seasoned and experienced DIA hunter and as you have already recognised it has different types of girls posting adverts. You get the whole spectrum of girls on DIA, from regular pros, semi pros and cam girls to regular girls looking for a foreign boyfriend or husband but willing to regularly fall on their sword in order to acheive this aim. In amongst all of this, there is also a percentage of virgins or women not willing to compromise and looking to meet one person, but thankfully this percentage is on the relatvely low side.

In my experience if you arrange to meet a DIA girl, virtually all of them will bring a friend or chaperone, sometimes it will be a mother, older sister or auntie. The latter tends to happen more if you want to date an inexperienced younger girl, who may be in her late teens or early 20s. Filipinas are naturally shy and reserved and it is perfectly natural for them to bring some kind of chaperone along.

If you are meeting lots of DIA contacts then be prepared to be firm with the girls otherwise you will get taken for a ride and it could soon end up costing you a small fortune. Some will turn up with whole families, declaring how hungry they all are (happened to me) and most if not all will expect you to buy them ice cream or coffee whilst you chat to them and break the ice. You need to be very firm and tell them you will only meet them if they bring no more than one friend or relative and even then some girls will still not get the message. Where the girl brings a companion and you want to get rid of the third party then just tell her you want to spend time alone with her. A 100 peso note to her companion will normally cover the cost of her jeepney rides back home whilst you take your girl off back to the hotel.

At one point I was seriously beginning to think it would work out cheaper if I invested in my own coffee shop in the centre of Cebu City, I must have spent thousands of pesos over the years in this manner.

If they turn up with a family member in tow, please do not even mention sex, that will be your immediate downfall. If they turn up with a family member it usually means that mom or dad wants to get the measure of you before they let you loose on their daughter. They will want to satisfy themselves that your intentions are serious or that at least there is some illusion that your intentions are serious. Yes there are also some girls who will expect non sexual encounters but you need to address these issues in a subtle way on line with the girls before you meet them in person.

Sounds peverse I know but money is the true motivator behind most of these situations, even where the girls DIA ad says they are looking for a husband and commitment (roughly translated that means "take me out of this shit hole and support me and my family"). Some will ask outright if you are willing to take care of their daughter, others will be much more subtle. I know you have mentioned having lots of free sex before but virtually every girl you meet in the Philippines will expect some sort of payment, do not kid yourself just because they do not ask you outright for money. You need to remember that the P4P scene in the Philippines is quite different from what you will encounter in other parts of South East Asia and the Pinays reluctance to ask for money is one of those differences. They have what you want and you have what they desperately need. In the situations where mom, dad or other family members are present, I would steer clear of making your short time intentions obvious if that is your aim and at least give the impression you are looking for a long term gf. However in an ideal world you will have discussed this with the girl on line before your meeting.

Some girls will turn up with one or two friends and very often you will find that their friend is willing and able to come along also, so you can end up with a threesome unexpectedly sometimes, though these tend on the whole to be the semi pros.

If you are willing to invest a lot of time on DIA it can reap huge dividends. My advice is to spend time chatting to get to know the girl on line first in an innocuous way and then slowly introduce what it is you are looking for.
For example if the girl is clearly a non pro, just suggest that you are not quite ready to settle down yet but that you are looking for some companionship and fun. Most girls will go along with this, after all it is an opportunity to supplement their meagre income whilst still being in the market for a boyfriend or husband. If your tastes run to threesomes, anal or hanging off the ceiling with a vibrator up your ass then don't be afraid to introduce these into the conversation, but spend time cultivating her before doing so. You may be surprised how open minded some of these girls can be, even the non pros, if you treat them with respect and approach the subject discreetly and subtly.

The point about mom or dad turning up at hotel is very unlikely to happen if you treat the girl with some dignity and respect. Give her some money, (which will invariably end up back in the pocket of mom or dad) )tell her you have to leave for business or work but that you will stay in touch with her and buy her a small gift. Even if you fuck her senseless every day for a whole week, very few parents would ever dream of turning up and creating a scene if you treat their daughter with respect.

Good luck, don't forget to post your experiences and do not worry about your age at all. In most cases this does not even come into the equation and all ages from 18 to 80 will be within your grasp. DIA is like shooting fish in a barrel but be prepared to do your groundwork first on line. Remember what they say about assumption being the mother of all **** ups, well this holds equally true on DIA. Talk to the girls get to know them and find out what their expectations are before you invest time meeting them

Mortman,

I am very grateful for your thoughtful, detailed response that addresses all the issues and questions I'd raised. Your experience and insights that you've selflessly shared in this post and others are extremely helpful to me and others. Thank you very much!

I am impressed by your emphasis on treating women with respect and dignity. Rest assured, I treat women well, and I totally appreciate the importance of meeting the girls' economic needs. For 1-nighters, I'll typically treat the girl to a very nice dinner, a nice brunch the next day, and give her 2 to 3K pesos or whatever. I'm also respectful and sensitive about giving money discretely, in a low-key manner, as "taxi money". And for girls who become travel companions, they definitely get to have a memorable week with me that is probably a highlight of their life, and some money in their pocket to help their family.

I also have no problem meeting with chaperones and assuring them their daughter / niece will be safe and well-taken care of by me. Because it's the truth.

For a few reasons, I'm somewhat uncomfortable with discussing explicit sexual details ahead of time. Firstly, I find it challenging trying to maintain the veneer of respectability and the illusion of there being potential for a longer-term relationship, while, on the other hand, telling a chick before you've ever even met her that you want anal, CIM, A2M, etc. I have few qualms discussing such details with a hardcore pro I'm taking out of a bar. But I have some reluctance being as explicit with semi-pro's, and even more so with young amateurs. Maybe it's my niavite about PH mongering, but I assume that 95% or more of 18. 20 year old amateurs are going to say no to anal if asked explicitly upfront, whereas they could probably be convinced to try it after a couple of nights. Of course, then the issue becomes whether or not I want to invest the time and effort convincing relatively inexperienced amateurs to try new things.

Secondly, being explicit about my sexual wants upfront has almost never worked for me during my many years living in Japan. Obviously, JP and PH are very different. Chicks in JP are certainly not economically impoverished as in PH. The incentive for sex in JP is usually that the girl likes sex. My natural communication style was to ask chicks upfront about anal (no pun intended). This very American approach NEVER worked in JP. Every girl in Japan, if asked, will say that she won't do anal, tried it and hated it, is too scared to try it, etc. I finally learned to not mention it at all. I'd have vaginal and oral sex with the chick for a few dates, making sure she was extremely satisfied with my performance, and then go for anal after several dates. More than half of chicks opened the back door for me if I took this non-verbal, "just go for it" approach. (I even had several chicks tell me, "Don't ask me, just get me drunk and do it"!)

Not sure I want to take the time, but it might be interesting to experiment in PH, being verbally explicit with a few chicks upfront, more impllcit with another few, and not verbalizing anything to others, but trying to evolve them into sexual depravity over a couple of nights. Of course, there's always the option of turning to a pro to make sure my special needs are fulfilled. It's nice to have options.

G
I think you are spot on about not opening up to the non pros straight away and I totally agree that if you cultivate them slowly, treat them well, many will accept sexual adventures beyong their normal boundaries. My tastes are probably quite conservative though I have experimented with most (hetrosexual) things over the years. I have often found non or semi pros to be fairly receptive to suggestions such as threesomes and anal when chatting on line, but to be fair only after investing a lot of time chatting to them beforehand and ensuring I have gained their full trust and confidence. To come out with these things any sooner would have blown my chances out of the water completely. Hope you get a chance on your second visit to get out of Manila and explore some of the other places, most of which are teeming with game and waiting to be hunted. Also a lot less polluted, less hassle and cheaper P4P. When I read about what some of the guys in Manila are paying for P4P it makes my eyes water, mind you my trips are all self funded with no expense account to rely on sadly........Ahh only another 5 weeks to go before I am back in my favourite hunting grounds

[QUOTE=Genkisugiru]Mortman,

I am very grateful for your thoughtful, detailed response that addresses all the issues and questions I'd raised. Your experience and insights that you've selflessly shared in this post and others are extremely helpful to me and others. Thank you very much!

I am impressed by your emphasis on treating women with respect and dignity. Rest assured, I treat women well, and I totally appreciate the importance of meeting the girls' economic needs. For 1-nighters, I'll typically treat the girl to a very nice dinner, a nice brunch the next day, and give her 2 to 3K pesos or whatever. I'm also respectful and sensitive about giving money discretely, in a low-key manner, as "taxi money". And for girls who become travel companions, they definitely get to have a memorable week with me that is probably a highlight of their life, and some money in their pocket to help their family.

I also have no problem meeting with chaperones and assuring them their daughter / niece will be safe and well-taken care of by me. Because it's the truth.

For a few reasons, I'm somewhat uncomfortable with discussing explicit sexual details ahead of time. Firstly, I find it challenging trying to maintain the veneer of respectability and the illusion of there being potential for a longer-term relationship, while, on the other hand, telling a chick before you've ever even met her that you want anal, CIM, A2M, etc. I have few qualms discussing such details with a hardcore pro I'm taking out of a bar. But I have some reluctance being as explicit with semi-pro's, and even more so with young amateurs. Maybe it's my niavite about PH mongering, but I assume that 95% or more of 18. 20 year old amateurs are going to say no to anal if asked explicitly upfront, whereas they could probably be convinced to try it after a couple of nights. Of course, then the issue becomes whether or not I want to invest the time and effort convincing relatively inexperienced amateurs to try new things.

Secondly, being explicit about my sexual wants upfront has almost never worked for me during my many years living in Japan. Obviously, JP and PH are very different. Chicks in JP are certainly not economically impoverished as in PH. The incentive for sex in JP is usually that the girl likes sex. My natural communication style was to ask chicks upfront about anal (no pun intended). This very American approach NEVER worked in JP. Every girl in Japan, if asked, will say that she won't do anal, tried it and hated it, is too scared to try it, etc. I finally learned to not mention it at all. I'd have vaginal and oral sex with the chick for a few dates, making sure she was extremely satisfied with my performance, and then go for anal after several dates. More than half of chicks opened the back door for me if I took this non-verbal, "just go for it" approach. (I even had several chicks tell me, "Don't ask me, just get me drunk and do it"!)

Not sure I want to take the time, but it might be interesting to experiment in PH, being verbally explicit with a few chicks upfront, more impllcit with another few, and not verbalizing anything to others, but trying to evolve them into sexual depravity over a couple of nights. Of course, there's always the option of turning to a pro to make sure my special needs are fulfilled. It's nice to have options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mortman]G

I think you are spot on about not opening up to the non pros straight away and I totally agree that if you cultivate them slowly, treat them well, many will accept sexual adventures beyong their normal boundaries. My tastes are probably quite conservative though I have experimented with most (hetrosexual) things over the years. I have often found non or semi pros to be fairly receptive to suggestions such as threesomes and anal when chatting on line, but to be fair only after investing a lot of time chatting to them beforehand and ensuring I have gained their full trust and confidence. To come out with these things any sooner would have blown my chances out of the water completely. Hope you get a chance on your second visit to get out of Manila and explore some of the other places, most of which are teeming with game and waiting to be hunted. Also a lot less polluted, less hassle and cheaper P4P. When I read about what some of the guys in Manila are paying for P4P it makes my eyes water, mind you my trips are all self funded with no expense account to rely on sadly........Ahh only another 5 weeks to go before I am back in my favourite hunting grounds[/QUOTE]Hey M,

Thanks again. I appreciate your confirmation on these points. It's good to know that my lessons learned in other countries are largely relevant to PH as well. Of course, things are easier in PH than JP due to girls' economic situations. (On the other hand, in JP, girls tend to just like sex. It's not a coincidence that I've lived much of my adult life there!)

On my one previous PH trip, I only spent 2 - 3 nights in Manila and 5 - 6 nights in Boracay. This time I definitely want to go to Cebu, and probably 3 - 4 different venues in all.

I totally understand the girls' financial needs, and I want to treat them well and compensate them fairly for their companionship and services. But I agree with you that the Manila P4P rates seem way too high. When I was there in the summer of 2008, LA Cafe girls were getting at least 1500 for ST and 2000 - 2500 (US $44 - $55) or more for overnight. Based upon any benchmark (GDP, per capita income, what girls in shops, factories, and offices earn) these P4P rates seem high. I got the impression that Japanese and, more recently, Koreans had contributed to price inflation for WG's in PH. It's ironic that almost every guy reading these forums is probably less well-off economically than we were a few years ago, with deflation decimating our businesses, incomes, and investment portfolios, yet the price of P4P in PH, especially Manila, has increased considerably over the past few years.

I sense cartel-like pricing in Manila, at least in the popular foreign monger venues. If true supply and demand principles were working, you'd think rates would be about 500 ST and 1000 pesos LT.

I'm a fortunate guy, pretty comfortable financially, but considering airfare to PH, plus staying in decent accommodations and eating good food, and paying for a companion, it all adds up quickly.

One big hole in my sex life to date (pardon the bad pun) has been a near total lack of 3-way action. I want to make 3-way a key objective on my upcoming PH trip. This is all the more reason to go to locations other than Manila, where I can likely get 2 girls for 2500 per day total.

I think we'll be in PH the same time. Perhaps our paths will cross. Best.

Guys,

What's the bottom line on Cebu Pacific? Is it a good idea to book flights with them or not?

I am planning my first trip to PI. It would sure be convenient to fly straight into AC from Macau, but not if there is a good chance of things getting messed up (cancelled flights or lost reservations).

Thanks

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Guys,

What's the bottom line on Cebu Pacific? Is it a good idea to book flights with them or not?

I am planning my first trip to PI. It would sure be convenient to fly straight into AC from Macau, but not if there is a good chance of things getting messed up (cancelled flights or lost reservations).

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I have used them on average three times per year for the last 4-5 years. Typical budget no frills airline, pretty much like the UK equivalent of Easy Jet. I have always booked on line and never ever had a problem, unlike Air Asia who have let me down countless times with last minute cancellations. Thats my own personal experience, others may take a different view, I don't know.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Guys,

What's the bottom line on Cebu Pacific? Is it a good idea to book flights with them or not?

I am planning my first trip to PI. It would sure be convenient to fly straight into AC from Macau, but not if there is a good chance of things getting messed up (cancelled flights or lost reservations).

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Reasonable prices budget service low 15kg luggage allowance

[QUOTE=Genkisugiru]

.................. guys have posted here about chicks they've met through DIA showing up for the first meeting with a friend, mother, aunt, who have come on a bus from the provinces. It isn't clear to me, when the young chick shows up to meet me in a shopping mall with her mother/aunt, does the mother fully realize that our interest is in having sex with her daughter almost immediately, with a very low probability of it turning into an ongoing relationship or marriage? Or do they expect (or delude themselves) that it is a meeting primarily oriented toward potential marriage? Tactically, how does one handle the guardian? Do you just give the mother a few hundred pesos for lunch and her bus ride back to the provinces, while promising you'll send her daughter home safely within 1. 10 days? Do you tell the mother to hang out in the mall for a few hours while you take her daughter back to your hotel for a test ride? Do the girls themselves understand we're meeting with them primarily for sex, and they're ready to go back to our hotel after lunch, or do many of them expect non-sexual meetings ................
[/QUOTE]

What hasn't been mentioned explicitly here in replies is something that has been discussed on another thread (Pen-pals thread), and that is the wording of your profile on DIA.

If you take the time to make it very clear that you are NOT looking for a wife but merely a companion for some outings (mention movies, dinner, live-bands if you wish). Use words like "adventurous, open-minded" and "fun-loving" and be as explicit as you can about the age range too.
In other words, be up-front about what you want, but not so explicit as to have your post deleted by DIA or have some goody-goody woman reporting you and getting you blocked.
You will have far less "hits" on your profile, but at least that will filter out the women obsessed with finding a husband.
Don't write stuff on your profile that is dishonest and misleading to the girls. You will just waste your time and their time and get them as pissed off with you as you will be with them.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Guys,

What's the bottom line on Cebu Pacific? Is it a good idea to book flights with them or not?

I am planning my first trip to PI. It would sure be convenient to fly straight into AC from Macau, but not if there is a good chance of things getting messed up (cancelled flights or lost reservations).

Thanks[/QUOTE]

used them a few times and never had any issues...

genkisugiru, much of the details of chaperones and shy filipinas has been said already, but let me add my comments.

i think that it is pretty fair that a young, inexperienced filipina such as you are looking for, a regular girl, who has never met a foreigner before, should bring along someone for support.

often she will have discussed you with her mother, and mom wants to come along to make sure that you are not some kind of monster/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] etc.

treat mom with respect, make sure that you direct a lot of the conversation her way. buy lunch, or dinner, and show her that you are a nice guy, reliable, honourable, kind.

once mom has reassured herself, she will say that she needs to go. and she will leave her daughter in your trustworthy hands.

it has worked for me every time.

sometimes a cousin will come along, same deal, looking for reassurance, or your gf is looking for a second opinion, as do most western women.

so, just roll with it. it is part of their culture, and you are in their country. don't fight it, use it to your advantage.

in my most recent visit to dumaguete, my first liaison went this way, with a cousin in tow.

after about 10 minutes, she asked the cousin her opinion. cousin said, openly in my hearing, he is perfect.

done,

happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Genkisugiru]
I sense cartel-like pricing in Manila, at least in the popular foreign monger venues. If true supply and demand principles were working, you'd think rates would be about 500 ST and 1000 pesos LT.

[/QUOTE]
How do you figure that? I see a shortage of young hotties with lots of punters competing for the top meat!

@ Amjeck.
Really? Where have you been?
In all the bars in Burgos or in EDSA Entertainment Complex, even in LAC you dont see many "punters" compared with the number of ladies. What you and I see as hotties may differ of course, hence guess we are both right!

On the other hand, I dont agree with Genkisiguru.
The barfine in EDSA increased from 1000 to 1200 a couple of years ago, and the girls have always asked 1500 for ST, and in LAC you can easily get a girl for a ST for 1000 (I met one cute one that hangs out in LAC in DiA and we both chatted about LAC before she suggested 1000 overnight).

[QUOTE=Amjeck]How do you figure that? I see a shortage of young hotties with lots of punters competing for the top meat![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]What hasn't been mentioned explicitly here in replies is something that has been discussed on another thread (Pen-pals thread), and that is the wording of your profile on DIA.

If you take the time to make it very clear that you are NOT looking for a wife but merely a companion for some outings (mention movies, dinner, live-bands if you wish). Use words like "adventurous, open-minded" and "fun-loving" and be as explicit as you can about the age range too.

In other words, be up-front about what you want, but not so explicit as to have your post deleted by DIA or have some goody-goody woman reporting you and getting you blocked.

You will have far less "hits" on your profile, but at least that will filter out the women obsessed with finding a husband.

Don't write stuff on your profile that is dishonest and misleading to the girls. You will just waste your time and their time and get them as pissed off with you as you will be with them.[/QUOTE]Hey Red Kilt,

I appreciate your helpful inputs re: DIA postings. I'll incorporate some of your key word suggestions in my post. I have been getting too many responses from young provincial girls, some of whom I suspect think I'm willing to marry them (and support their families) before sampling their wares.

And a warning to DIA users: As some have pointed out here, there definitely are under-age girls on DIA. I had exchanged a few messages with a cutie, and asked her to send some additional pics. I sensed she might not be 18, so I asked her. She admitted she's turning 17 next week, and apologized for lying.

[quote=gangles]genkisugiru, much of the details of chaperones and shy filipinas has been said already, but let me add my comments.

i think that it is pretty fair that a young, inexperienced filipina such as you are looking for, a regular girl, who has never met a foreigner before, should bring along someone for support.

often she will have discussed you with her mother, and mom wants to come along to make sure that you are not some kind of monster/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] etc.

treat mom with respect, make sure that you direct a lot of the conversation her way. buy lunch, or dinner, and show her that you are a nice guy, reliable, honourable, kind.

once mom has reassured herself, she will say that she needs to go. and she will leave her daughter in your trustworthy hands.

it has worked for me every time.

sometimes a cousin will come along, same deal, looking for reassurance, or your gf is looking for a second opinion, as do most western women.

so, just roll with it. it is part of their culture, and you are in their country. don't fight it, use it to your advantage.

in my most recent visit to dumaguete, my first liaison went this way, with a cousin in tow.

after about 10 minutes, she asked the cousin her opinion. cousin said, openly in my hearing, he is perfect.

done,

happy mongering.[/quote]hey gangles,

i appreciate you sharing your experiences and lessons learned. i totally respect this aspect of ph culture, and i'm willing to roll with it. i think i'll pass the sniff test with most chaperones.

if you're up for it, i'd love to read a topline summary of your experiences post-chaperone meeting. i'm interested to know what % of these provincial chaperoned first meetings have resulted in sex within 24 hours. in your experience, does getting the chaperone's approval to proceed with the date equate for the most part to getting a green light to have sex with the girl? and do the young (18. 20) provincial girls know that we are, for the most part, primarily interested in sex, regardless of our level of interest in a lt relationship or marriage? or do they truly believe that there is a strong probability that having sex with us is going to lead to a ltr / marriage? i really don't want to screw young chicks if they sincerely believe it's the equivalent of me committing to a ltr / marriage, and me leaving town a day or two later would be devastating to them. but if they know the odds going in, then i can screw in with a clear conscience.

[QUOTE=Marconista]@ Amjeck.

Really? Where have you been?

In all the bars in Burgos or in EDSA Entertainment Complex, even in LAC you dont see many "punters" compared with the number of ladies. What you and I see as hotties may differ of course, hence guess we are both right!

On the other hand, I dont agree with Genkisiguru.

The barfine in EDSA increased from 1000 to 1200 a couple of years ago, and the girls have always asked 1500 for ST, and in LAC you can easily get a girl for a ST for 1000 (I met one cute one that hangs out in LAC in DiA and we both chatted about LAC before she suggested 1000 overnight).[/QUOTE]Hey Guys,

I'm glad my comments on pricing have stirred some interest. Let me state that I have been to PH exactly one time, and I've done exactly two girls in PH, so my comments were based on a tiny bit of first-hand experience, and more on prices mentioned consistently in these forums as well as my discussions with experienced mongers when I was in the market.

Also, my comments about Manila sex pricing seeming high were more in the context of things like PH per capita income, wages paid for non-sex work in PH, and what ST sex costs in other countries, like the US. 2, 500 pesos (US $55) for an overnight or 1, 500 for ST seem like a lot to me if viewed in this kind of purely economic analysis. 1, 000 seems more reasonable, although still somewhat high in this context.

Re: my comment about cartel pricing and supply and demand, I was speaking in terms of raw numbers of buyers and sellers in the market. How many potential "sellers" and potential "buyers" are there in PH on any given day? On a more micro level, the few nights I was in LA Cafe, there were about 5 girls (sellers) for each guy (buyer). Yet each girl told me the same pricing. There was no price competition. This is "cartel pricing", as we all learned in college economics class.

However, based upon my own limited experience in PH and from what I've read and heard from others, I think that Amjeck is correct that things are more competitive when buying in the "hottie" segment of the market. When I was in LAC, maybe there were 200 girls and 50 guys. But about 150 of the girls did not pass my minimal qualifications. So that left 50 girls I'd consider for P4P. The same amount of qualified sellers as buyers. I'd say maybe 10 of the girls were "hotties" to my taste. So, clearly, the competition shifts to the girls' (sellers) favor in the "hottie" market segment.

I'm looking forward to my upcoming second trip to PH, which will be several weeks and cover several areas of the country. I'll be curious to see if / how these "market dynamics" shift among the various locales.

[QUOTE=Genkisugiru]Hey Gangles,

If you're up for it, I'd love to read a topline summary of your experiences post-chaperone meeting. I'm interested to know what % of these provincial chaperoned first meetings have resulted in sex within 24 hours. In your experience, does getting the chaperone's approval to proceed with the date equate for the most part to getting a green light to have sex with the girl? And do the young (18. 20) provincial girls know that we are, for the most part, primarily interested in sex, regardless of our level of interest in a LT relationship or marriage? Or do they truly believe that there is a strong probability that having sex with us is going to lead to a LTR / marriage? I really don't want to screw young chicks if they sincerely believe it's the equivalent of me committing to a LTR / marriage, and me leaving town a day or two later would be devastating to them. But if they know the odds going in, then I can screw in with a clear conscience.[/QUOTE]On my last trip a student lady I know from Tagged was fairly insistent that we meet but my schedule was very tight. Twice she said she was with her Mom and waiting to meet me. So to make it easy I told them what my aprtment building was (well I actually told them the name of the condo block next to it) and mum and daughter seemed impressed.

Next day I agreed to meet the student if she came with anyone other than Mom. She came with a younger sister.

I left the younger sis at mall and me and student girl went for a drive. Somewhere in the drive we got to kissing and student girl confirmed she didn't know anything about sex but wanted to learn on my next trip.

I'm visiting Manila in a few days and student girl has confirmed she is fine to visit my condo, with no one else present. Lets see what happens.

Hey, G,

You are being too analytical.

Just read your last post, and transpose it to your own country.

Do women act like that?

Are they so mechanical and predictable?

Well, women in the Phils are just as variable and unpredictable in their responses.

I can understand that you want to maximise the number of roots that you have, and maybe also maximise the number of women that you root.

But there is a conflict here. If you want to maximum number of roots, and the most intense experiences, then in my opinion, you need to get one very sexy woman, and keep her with you all the time. That way you will get as many roots as you can get up. And she will love you for it. I usually have 3 roots per day this way. Morning bj, a nooner, and once in the evening, occasionally twice. But I spend a lot more time giving her orgasms, because that keeps her addicted to you.

But if you want the maximum number of women, then you need to accept that there will be failures. And the harder that you try, the more likely it is that you will fail.

So, I plan on having a schedule of meetings with regular women, then some backups also with regular women, then a third line with P4P. But even then, there are nights when I sleep alone. I had 3 nights alone on my last trip of 6 weeks. Too many, but no system is infallible.

In my opinion, you increase your likelihood of success if you meet and target a number of women on dating sites. I get them away from the dating site as quickly as possible, and onto regular email. And also onto a chat service, most prefer YM. Filipinas love chatting, it is some demonstration of your commitment to them. I personally hate it, a grossly inefficient means of communication, but they love it. And also, send them texts. They can generally not reply, too expensive. But they love getting your texts. And they can show these to their friends, so you get status in advance.

So I think you need to get your head sorted out first, then develop a plan. Every time you move location, the risk of failure goes up. Every time there is a new liaison, the risk goes up. The safest is if you stay in one place for an extended period of time. I had a month in Cebu, taking a very intensive and exhausting course. So almost no time to get around the malls for pickup etc. But even still, there was at least one woman every night. Sometimes 2. And one Sunday - day off - I had 4 women through the hotel in one day. I don't know what the staff in the hotel thought, but they were very discrete.

So sometimes the chaperone will be a sister, or cousin. It may take several hours till she is satisfied that you are OK, and give the green light. This may include a trip to a mall, eat at Jollibee, maybe some small gifts. But once she gives the green light, she will go and you are plain sailing. Just remember that maybe they have travelled by bus for 4 hours or so. With others, it may be half an hour. Mothers, I feed them, lunch or dinner, be an attentive gentleman. When she is satisfied that you are OK, she will go. Then it is green light, and the woman wil go with you straight away. Be skillful and sensitive, and kep your antennae working.

Good luck.

G

Filipinas never fail to amaze me.

On an earlier trip, late last year, I reported meeting a very tall, skinny woman right at the end of the trip who was both very horny, and very orgasmic. Mss C.

This last trip, we got together for almost a week.

She just loves to root, never gets too much of it till her clit or her c**t or both hurt too much to continue.

She has two types of orgasm. Short, sharp ones, and continuous, which can go on for half an hour or more.

Well, we were chatting about it this afternoon, and we have decided to try to separate what it is that gives her each type of orgasm. If we can find out what gives her the short, sharp ones, then we are going to try for 1,000 orgasms in one day.

We haven't sorted out how to keep count.

So we are looking at about 3 per minute for 5 hours.

Don't know if we can keep up the effort, but it is an interesting challenge. About 3 orgasms per minute for 5 hours.

Wow.

What a woman.

G

[QUOTE=Genkisugiru]
However, based upon my own limited experience in PH and from what I've read and heard from others, I think that Amjeck is correct that things are more competitive when buying in the "hottie" segment of the market. When I was in LAC, maybe there were 200 girls and 50 guys. But about 150 of the girls did not pass my minimal qualifications. So that left 50 girls I'd consider for P4P. The same amount of qualified sellers as buyers. I'd say maybe 10 of the girls were "hotties" to my taste. So, clearly, the competition shifts to the girls' (sellers) favor in the "hottie" market segment.[/QUOTE]

It is very difficult to generalize when it comes to LAC. I dropped in today (Mon) around 3 pm and it was not too busy but I reckon 80% of the women there today were 7 - 9s. I have NEVER seen so many really good-looking and well-presented girls before in LAC. I told 3 or 4 "hotties" who jumped on to me that I just wanted a drink first and to take my time. I picked the "hottest" looker in the room and chatted to her, and she was good to go S/T for 1000 immediately with no bartering or hesitation. It is Holy Week and I guess the girls are after cash to go back to the province for Easter.

My point is that generalising about market economics or about how numbers of hotties vs number of punters affects prices in LAC may be good in theory or as an academic discussion but every day/hour in that place is different and you just have to expect ANYTHING to be the norm when you walk in because there is no norm.

[QUOTE=Gangles]Filipinas never fail to amaze me.

She has two types of orgasm. Short, sharp ones, and continuous, which can go on for half an hour or more.

Well, we were chatting about it this afternoon, and we have decided to try to separate what it is that gives her each type of orgasm. If we can find out what gives her the short, sharp ones, then we are going to try for 1,000 orgasms in one day.

We haven't sorted out how to keep count.

So we are looking at about 3 per minute for 5 hours.

Don't know if we can keep up the effort, but it is an interesting challenge. About 3 orgasms per minute for 5 hours.

Wow.

What a woman.

G[/QUOTE]I have a Nurse friend, who always travels from near Subic to meet me whenever I'm in Manila.

She regularly gets between 30-50 orgasms in the 4 hours that we spend humping and jumping. I tried counting once but was impossible as they tended to come very fast and very close to each other. But she does let loose a " Yeah" every time and that tells me. The stomach contraction also demonstrates when she has orgasm.

Some women are just able to do this.

I'm happy to two or three, but then I'm older than some of the young buckeroos here. And a hell of a lot wiser too LOL.

[QUOTE=Genkisugiru]Hey Red Kilt,

I appreciate your helpful inputs re: DIA postings. I'll incorporate some of your key word suggestions in my post. I have been getting too many responses from young provincial girls, some of whom I suspect think I'm willing to marry them (and support their families) before sampling their wares.

And a warning to DIA users: As some have pointed out here, there definitely are under-age girls on DIA. I had exchanged a few messages with a cutie, and asked her to send some additional pics. I sensed she might not be 18, so I asked her. She admitted she's turning 17 next week, and apologized for lying.[/QUOTE]


You will find that "open minded" and "adventurous" are a bit ambiguous, "Liberated" is less ambiguous ie open for short term sexual encounters

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]It is very difficult to generalize when it comes to LAC. I dropped in today (Mon) around 3 pm and it was not too busy but I reckon 80% of the women there today were 7. 9s. I have NEVER seen so many really good-looking and well-presented girls before in LAC. I told 3 or 4 "hotties" who jumped on to me that I just wanted a drink first and to take my time. I picked the "hottest" looker in the room and chatted to her, and she was good to go S/T for 1000 immediately with no bartering or hesitation. It is Holy Week and I guess the girls are after cash to go back to the province for Easter.

My point is that generalising about market economics or about how numbers of hotties vs number of punters affects prices in LAC may be good in theory or as an academic discussion but every day/hour in that place is different and you just have to expect ANYTHING to be the norm when you walk in because there is no norm.[/QUOTE]Your points about LAC very well-taken. And I love the irony of "Holy Week" having the effect of driving hot chicks to P4P. Sure does make me look at Easter in a whole new light!

[QUOTE=Gangles]Hey, G,

You are being too analytical.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's one of my fatal flaws -- especially with women!

[QUOTE=Gangles]Do women act like that?

Are they so mechanical and predictable?[/QUOTE]Did you just use "women" and predictable in the same phrase?!

Thanks again, for sharing your helpful insights and experiences. I've been lining up a diverse portfolio of chicks for my upcoming PH tour, and I'm pretty confident I'll have quite a time betwen the pre-arranged liaisons and impromptu local hunting.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]You will find that "open minded" and "adventurous" are a bit ambiguous, "Liberated" is less ambiguous ie open for short term sexual encounters[/QUOTE]

Hey Greg I think you will agree that both of us might be being a tad literal when we assume DIA women will understand the subtleties of the meaning of these different words.

They all understand what open-minded means - I think liberated is a word they learn from school in their recitals from History lessons viz "General Macarthur liberated the Philippines from the Japanese occupation after WW2".

I have no quibbles with whatever words you choose to use to try to get female readers to understand that you DONT want to find a wife but you DO want to have lots of fun that includes humping and jumping. You just need to be careful with your choice of words so that DIA will not block you or that someone will be "offended" by your frankness and report you to the DIA authorities

Yes, I agree. I have found a couple of them in the Phils so far. never in Australia. The most I ever got out of a woman in Australia was 5 orgasms. But the filipinas seem to be able to react more spontaneously. fantastic, and very good for my ego.


[QUOTE=FreebieFan]I have a Nurse friend, who always travels from near Subic to meet me whenever I'm in Manila.

She regularly gets between 30-50 orgasms in the 4 hours that we spend humping and jumping. I tried counting once but was impossible as they tended to come very fast and very close to each other. But she does let loose a " Yeah" every time and that tells me. The stomach contraction also demonstrates when she has orgasm.

Some women are just able to do this.

I'm happy to two or three, but then I'm older than some of the young buckeroos here. And a hell of a lot wiser too LOL.[/QUOTE]

As the name implies I like the GFE experience. I have looked through this forum and read allot of the reports. It seems like the Philippines is much like Thailand in the sense that there are allot of bars that most people go to, pay bar fines, and take the girl out of the bar. I just wanted to ask the experienced guys, where the best places in the Philippines to find GFE are located. In Thailand my buddy would go to the go go bars, call a girl over, and talk to her for to see if they have chemistry before leaving with her. Is this the best strategy to use to secure GFE? You have the termas in Brazil, you have a couple places in Colombia, and one can also find pretty good GFE's in the DR. I am planning on traveling to the Philippines later this year so any information would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Gfechaser]As the name implies I like the GFE experience. I have looked through this forum and read allot of the reports. It seems like the Philippines is much like Thailand in the sense that there are allot of bars that most people go to, pay bar fines, and take the girl out of the bar. I just wanted to ask the experienced guys, where the best places in the Philippines to find GFE are located. In Thailand my buddy would go to the go go bars, call a girl over, and talk to her for to see if they have chemistry before leaving with her. Is this the best strategy to use to secure GFE? You have the termas in Brazil, you have a couple places in Colombia, and one can also find pretty good GFE's in the DR. I am planning on traveling to the Philippines later this year so any information would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Sorry but this is a dumb question.

The best place for GFE is everywhere you are!. Be sweet charming funny friendly relaxed and make a girl feel comfortable. Filipinas will repsond every time to a guy who respects them and looks like he cares for them, even if you;ve only just met.
If you are arrogant and expect everything whilst giving nothing the girl will give whats expected, ie. pussy but swill not put any extra effort into it.

[QUOTE=Gfechaser]As the name implies I like the GFE experience. I have looked through this forum and read allot of the reports. It seems like the Philippines is much like Thailand in the sense that there are allot of bars that most people go to, pay bar fines, and take the girl out of the bar. I just wanted to ask the experienced guys, where the best places in the Philippines to find GFE are located. In Thailand my buddy would go to the go go bars, call a girl over, and talk to her for to see if they have chemistry before leaving with her. Is this the best strategy to use to secure GFE? You have the termas in Brazil, you have a couple places in Colombia, and one can also find pretty good GFE's in the DR. I am planning on traveling to the Philippines later this year so any information would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

I think different guys have different interpretations of GFE. In pattaya GFE seems to mean anyone who doesnt run off to get showered and out for the next guy within 30 seconds of you coming.

I think you have a better chance of getting genuine GFE in Phils bars than in Thai bars but its still not the best place to strat if you are in the Phils. As Freeby fan says potential GFE is available almost everywhere in the Phils (though the girls outside Cebu and manila will probably be more conservative and you need to romance them more and perhaps take them out a couple of times. If you want to do some preparatory work DIA and Tagged are the best places to start 9and free) In practice Id say treat these just as lead ins . you are just as likelly to end up with the friend of a girl you met on DIA than the girl you have been chating to for months.

Just found that the European Union has blacklisted all Philippine Air-Carriers from entering EU airspace.
Just FYI.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Gfechaser]As the name implies I like the GFE experience. I have looked through this forum and read allot of the reports. It seems like the Philippines is much like Thailand in the sense that there are allot of bars that most people go to, pay bar fines, and take the girl out of the bar. I just wanted to ask the experienced guys, where the best places in the Philippines to find GFE are located. In Thailand my buddy would go to the go go bars, call a girl over, and talk to her for to see if they have chemistry before leaving with her. Is this the best strategy to use to secure GFE? You have the termas in Brazil, you have a couple places in Colombia, and one can also find pretty good GFE's in the DR. I am planning on traveling to the Philippines later this year so any information would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]IMHO there are two types of GFE.

First as it applies to the sexual act per se i.e. the girl kisses you deeply & passionately, when you come she keeps you inside & lies snuggled in your arms in the afterglow just as a gf might.

Second meaning of GFE is where the girl will hang out with you going places doing things, holding hands, chatting etc, when the meter runs out she will want to keep the 'relationship' going by txt/email/visits (and ...ahem..money).

The difference between Thailand & Phils is that Thais dont necessarily want to leave their country so their interest in you is short term & all business.
The Phils girl will be very keen to marry her way out of the country.
A Pinay will speak somewhat more english than her Thai sister making the illusion of a relationship easier to create.

You dont need to travel out into the provinces of the Phils & BS naive girls who are looking for a 'husbond'. In fact I detest that. There are _PLENTY_ of amateur & non P4P chicks in the cities who will trade short term sex/intimacy/companionship for gifts/money. Even bar girls (prostitutes) from AC/Manila/Cebu will be happy to become your 'girlfriend' for as long as you wish.

Hopes this helps.
AV

[QUOTE=Ekspat]Just found that the European Union has blacklisted all Philippine Air-Carriers from entering EU airspace.
Just FYI.

Cheers![/QUOTE]http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/tonyo-cruz-blog/philippines-airlines-banned-from-eu-airspace-starting-april-1

[url]http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/10/388&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en[/url]

AV

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Sorry but this is a dumb question.

The best place for GFE is everywhere you are!. Be sweet charming funny friendly relaxed and make a girl feel comfortable. Filipinas will repsond every time to a guy who respects them and looks like he cares for them, even if you;ve only just met.
If you are arrogant and expect everything whilst giving nothing the girl will give whats expected, ie. pussy but swill not put any extra effort into it.[/QUOTE]

Put perfectly

[QUOTE=Amavida]IMHO there are two types of GFE.

First as it applies to the sexual act per se i.e. the girl kisses you deeply & passionately, when you come she keeps you inside & lies snuggled in your arms in the afterglow just as a gf might.

Second meaning of GFE is where the girl will hang out with you going places doing things, holding hands, chatting etc, when the meter runs out she will want to keep the 'relationship' going by txt/email/visits (and ...ahem..money).

The difference between Thailand & Phils is that Thais dont necessarily want to leave their country so their interest in you is short term & all business.
The Phils girl will be very keen to marry her way out of the country.
A Pinay will speak somewhat more english than her Thai sister making the illusion of a relationship easier to create.

You dont need to travel out into the provinces of the Phils & BS naive girls who are looking for a 'husbond'. In fact I detest that. There are _PLENTY_ of amateur & non P4P chicks in the cities who will trade short term sex/intimacy/companionship for gifts/money. Even bar girls (prostitutes) from AC/Manila/Cebu will be happy to become your 'girlfriend' for as long as you wish.

Hopes this helps.
AV[/QUOTE]

I should have been more specific. Your explanation is exactly what I mean when I think of GFE. In Thailand my buddy would frequent certain bars that had women that were more likely to be GFE and he avoided the establishments were the women were more mercenary. As a matter of fact there was one establishment in Pattaya that was clearly a tourist trap, and no matter how much charm or niceties one would expend on the women, most of the women there treated the patrons as nothing more than a wallet.

[QUOTE=Amavida]

The difference between Thailand & Phils is that Thais dont necessarily want to leave their country so their interest in you is short term & all business.
The Phils girl will be very keen to marry her way out of the country.
A Pinay will speak somewhat more english than her Thai sister making the illusion of a relationship easier to create.

[/QUOTE]
It's important to add that in general thais don't like foreigners, making gfe an uphill battle. Also, most thais are "taught" before they enter the p4p scene that foreigners are nothing more than a means to an end.

[QUOTE=Gfechaser]I should have been more specific. Your explanation is exactly what I mean when I think of GFE. In Thailand my buddy would frequent certain bars that had women that were more likely to be GFE and he avoided the establishments were the women were more mercenary. As a matter of fact there was one establishment in Pattaya that was clearly a tourist trap, and no matter how much charm or niceties one would expend on the women, most of the women there treated the patrons as nothing more than a wallet.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't aware that there were any bars in Pattaya that weren't a tourist trap where the women treated patrons as nothing more than a wallet. I think the difference is primarily the skill and sophistication that the illusion is maintained.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I wasn't aware that there were any bars in Pattaya that weren't a tourist trap where the women treated patrons as nothing more than a wallet. I think the difference is primarily the skill and sophistication that the illusion is maintained.[/QUOTE]

This is true in some respect. Obviously tourist money is the main motivation. However there was one bar that had some sort of cirque du soliesque type show in which the women there were so blatant about wanting to extract your cash. Needless to say this venue was not the best place to find gfe. After leaving that place me and my wingman ventured to another bar in close proximity and the girls were really nice.

[quote=freebiefan]on my last trip a student lady i know from tagged was fairly insistent that we meet but my schedule was very tight. twice she said she was with her mom and waiting to meet me. so to make it easy i told them what my aprtment building was (well i actually told them the name of the condo block next to it) and mum and daughter seemed impressed.

next day i agreed to meet the student if she came with anyone other than mom. she came with a younger sister.

i left the younger sis at mall and me and student girl went for a drive. somewhere in the drive we got to kissing and student girl confirmed she didn't know anything about sex but wanted to learn on my next trip.

i'm visiting manila in a few days and student girl has confirmed she is fine to visit my condo, with no one else present. lets see what happens.[/quote]enjoy your reports freebie...however one follow up: you have mentioned that you tell the girls that you are married so that the girls know not to expect a commitment from you, yet the cousins and sisters and moms are still giving you the go ahead to go hang out with and shag the girl? i admire you your honesty but it must tor**** some of your chances, no?

thanks and keep up the excellent observations.

[QUOTE=Gfechaser]This is true in some respect. Obviously tourist money is the main motivation. However there was one bar that had some sort of cirque du soliesque type show in which the women there were so blatant about wanting to extract your cash. Needless to say this venue was not the best place to find gfe. After leaving that place me and my wingman ventured to another bar in close proximity and the girls were really nice.[/QUOTE]

Sure there are better and worse places for GFE in Pattaya, but IMHO its a bit like saying there are good restaurants and bad restaurants in England, then you take a trip to France and you find that every little Bistro can rustle up fantastically tasty food. If you get the hang of it, the Phils is to GFE what France is to food.

I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation????

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation????[/QUOTE]Age old phenomenen thats repeated in Phils, Thailand, Indonesia etc. Everywhere where guys go and see an Asian lady whos age maybe inderterminate but who is probably slimmer than the ladies in his home country.

The girl is happy because she got picked, and so she shows the guy off. The guy thinks he picked a winner. Till he looks around and realises there are way better ladies almost everywhere.

You can see this on the streets every day. It usually takes the guy a day or two to wake up and realise that his " honey" isn't exactly Miss World.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation?[/QUOTE]What you find in the PI thread photo gallery is a microcosm of what most well to do foreigners end up with in PI. I remember reading an article about a confectionary Brit who was not bad looking and educated, successful but yet he chose an uneducated typical bar girl to be his life partner.

If the Filipina on your arm doesn't make the locals look on with jealousy or she doesn't get respect from her countrymen well. Nough said.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-404560/A-mothers-revenge-murder-son.html[/url]

[quote=daboy]enjoy your reports freebie...however one follow up: you have mentioned that you tell the girls that you are married so that the girls know not to expect a commitment from you, yet the cousins and sisters and moms are still giving you the go ahead to go hang out with and shag the girl? i admire you your honesty but it must tor**** some of your chances, no?[/quote]

daboy
i always make it clear i am married and i wear a ring too. my dia profile says "married or attached".
i still get lots of hits on my profile, and it doesn't seem to hold back the bar girls in any way either. if they ask me do i have a wife i say "yes".
i guess it does tor**** some of my "chances" as you put it but chances for what? at least i know that i don't have to lie and cheat to the women who contact me in order to get to home base - it is remarkably liberating to be upfront and truthful, and i still get to have a lot of fun too. i think it is the sheer weight of numbers of available and searching girls that increases the odds for guys like ff and me.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation????[/QUOTE]

GL. I reckon the explanation is complex but here is a rather simplistic take.

For us guys, there is a big difference between an "attractive" girl and a "beautiful" girl. The beautiful girls win the beauty contests and are often the show business ones but many of them are not what we call attractive in that they don't have that sex appeal oozing out of them. Quite frankly I think some of the stunners are cold and aloof stuck-up supladas who think their shit doesn't stink. But the locals just see the prettiness, the beauty,the body etc and make a judgement on appearances alone, whereas we tend to look at a "total package" that includes looks, sexiness, personality etc.

Locals think that us foreigners have easy access to these beautiful girls because we are rich, and these girls will rather be with us. So when locals see us with girls who are attractive to us but whom they don't call beautiful they cannot process why it might be so, and so they call them exotica.

Some of my best experiences have been with second and third tier girls. Remember the old song
"if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife.
So from a personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you".

Whilst not entirely accurate for me, especially the "ugly" bit, I think the concepts are pretty sound.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]GL. I reckon the explanation is complex but here is a rather simplistic take.

For us guys, there is a big difference between an "attractive" girl and a "beautiful" girl. The beautiful girls win the beauty contests and are often the show business ones but many of them are not what we call attractive in that they don't have that sex appeal oozing out of them. Quite frankly I think some of the stunners are cold and aloof stuck-up supladas who think their shit doesn't stink. But the locals just see the prettiness, the beauty,the body etc and make a judgement on appearances alone, whereas we tend to look at a "total package" that includes looks, sexiness, personality etc.

Locals think that us foreigners have easy access to these beautiful girls because we are rich, and these girls will rather be with us. So when locals see us with girls who are attractive to us but whom they don't call beautiful they cannot process why it might be so, and so they call them exotica.

Some of my best experiences have been with second and third tier girls. Remember the old song
"if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife.
So from a personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you".

Whilst not entirely accurate for me, especially the "ugly" bit, I think the concepts are pretty sound.[/QUOTE]

A few days ago staying at my hotel was an OK say 55 year old Swiss guy who had married a 45 year old Filipina, She looked OK for her age but he said whereas she had originally told him she had 1 kid infact she had 5 kids so he's now very constrained in terms of where he can go and what he can do. Maybe it doesnt make sense for a guy in that position to get a 21 year old stunner, but there are so many attractive, slim nulliparas that would jump at the chance of a swiss passport

It sucks to hear that Cebu Pacific and Philippines Airlines are now blacklisted by the EU.

If we get in trouble I wonder if our european insurances will cover us as we have boarded planed that are considered unsafe by EU regulations!

I don't really understand the blacklist, Cebu uses reasonably modern A319. 320 and sames goes for PAL.

[QUOTE=Warbucks]What you find in the PI thread photo gallery is a microcosm of what most well to do foreigners end up with in PI. I remember reading an article about a confectionary Brit who was not bad looking and educated, successful but yet he chose an uneducated typical bar girl to be his life partner.

If the Filipina on your arm doesn't make the locals look on with jealousy or she doesn't get respect from her countrymen well. Nough said.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-404560/A-mothers-revenge-murder-son.html[/url][/QUOTE]And the meaning of a " confectionary Brit " is ?

Perhaps you mean he was in the business of retailing sugared comestibles whilst simultaneously holding a passport declaring Honi Soit Qui Mal y pense ?

My own musings on the subject are as follows. I think one can separate out various situations.

1 I think there are a group of girls who would be widely considered hot in the west but who don't score well in terms of Asian standards of beauty where tall, fair skinned girls are considered the most attractive and shorter "black beauties" (ie darker skinned girls) are looked down upon, even if they have got what Westerners would consider hot little bodies. Westerners tend to pay little regard to the kind of pure babyfaced features which Asians tend to prize.

2 A second situation is when the guy is just looking for a hot partner for the night. In this case hot body + personality/attitude is likely to outweigh both western/eastern standards of beauty.

3 Proactiveness. As a generalisation it tends to be the older more experienced but more haggard girls that are much more proactive at initiating conversations and sitting down with guys (because of experience and because they have to as people won't pick them if they just sit there.). Many guys especially the ones less experienced with Asia find that de facto they have been picked by the girls rather than checking out all the options and going for the one they fancy the most. Many girls in Phils are expert at ensuring that a guy they are with (if he is less experienced) does not try out too many other ladies. They will meet him at the aiport and give him very little time alone in which to sample other wares. MAny less expereinced Western guys end up spending 2 weeks with a girl they got tired of after 3 days as they dont know /are too polite to get rid of her.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]1 I think there are a group of girls who would be widely considered hot in the west but who don't score well in terms of Asian standards of beauty where tall, fair skinned girls are considered the most attractive and shorter "black beauties" (ie darker skinned girls) are looked down upon, even if they have got what Westerners would consider hot little bodies. Westerners tend to pay little regard to the kind of pure babyfaced features which Asians tend to prize.

2 A second situation is when the guy is just looking for a hot partner for the night. In this case hot body + personality/attitude is likely to outweigh both western/eastern standards of beauty.

3 Proactiveness. As a generalisation it tends to be the older more experienced but more haggard girls that are much more proactive at initiating conversations and sitting down with guys (because of experience and because they have to as people won't pick them if they just sit there.). Many guys especially the ones less experienced with Asia find that de facto they have been picked by the girls rather than checking out all the options and going for the one they fancy the most. Many girls in Phils are expert at ensuring that a guy they are with (if he is less experienced) does not try out too many other ladies. They will meet him at the aiport and give him very little time alone in which to sample other wares. MAny less expereinced Western guys end up spending 2 weeks with a girl they got tired of after 3 days as they don't know /are too polite to get rid of her.[/QUOTE]Additionally, theres an advantage in taking the path less well traveled. The gorgous ones (to either Filipino or Western eyes) are aware of their aesthetic value and market themselves accordingly, whether in P4P or in the "freebie world"

Those who recognise that they are not Ms World contenders actually try harder to please, tend to have less attitude, tend to expect less, and are generally nicer to be with. I'm going to Manila this weekend, and my 21 year old friend will ensure that I'm treated well. Shes a 7 but not a 10.

The 24 year odl Nurse who turns my head especially when clad in suspenderrs and garter belt will equally treat me sooo well. Also a 7 not a 10.

If you are only aiming to impress the random strangers who you don't know anyway, then thats a choice.

If you are looking for fun and totally satisfying personal experience with a girl you can connect with on a physical and mental side, who you can converse with and who will be there with hot kisses to wake you up, again, thats a choice. Id rather impress myself than my neighbours.

And never ever ever let a girl meet you at the airport. LOL

[QUOTE=GregLondon]My own musings on the subject are as follows. I think one can separate out various situations.

1 I think there are a group of girls who would be widely considered hot in the west but who don't score well in terms of Asian standards of beauty where tall, fair skinned girls are considered the most attractive and shorter "black beauties" (ie darker skinned girls) are looked down upon, even if they have got what Westerners would consider hot little bodies. Westerners tend to pay little regard to the kind of pure babyfaced features which Asians tend to prize.

2 A second situation is when the guy is just looking for a hot partner for the night. In this case hot body + personality/attitude is likely to outweigh both western/eastern standards of beauty.

3 Proactiveness. As a generalisation it tends to be the older more experienced but more haggard girls that are much more proactive at initiating conversations and sitting down with guys (because of experience and because they have to as people won't pick them if they just sit there.). Many guys especially the ones less experienced with Asia find that de facto they have been picked by the girls rather than checking out all the options and going for the one they fancy the most. Many girls in Phils are expert at ensuring that a guy they are with (if he is less experienced) does not try out too many other ladies. They will meet him at the aiport and give him very little time alone in which to sample other wares. MAny less expereinced Western guys end up spending 2 weeks with a girl they got tired of after 3 days as they dont know /are too polite to get rid of her.[/QUOTE]

Agree with everything you said GL. It is an extrapolation of my earlier post and I think your Point 3 is absolutely correct. Most of us (now) experienced guys were newbies once and i remember almost getting caught like you described but I managed to extricate myself and survived to tell the tale.

My experience is that the pinoys are not into exotic pinays since they are normally more dark skinned and have a "regular" look. They like chinese or european/american looking ladies.
For us europeans, we tend to like tanned ladies and some are REALLY beautiful to us. I showed a picture of a VERY beautiful young lady to a pinoy friend and he expected me to show him a beauty... and all he said was "she's a morena". Not impressed at all.
In a filipino forum I have frequented for sometime one of the most popular ladies looked like an "ugly" american/european lady to me, but the local guys looked at her as the princess of their lives.

And - as another guy below mentioned... Real beautiful ladies (to foreign mongers and locals) tend to act like they know it and behave like a starfish.

So - for me - the exotic ladies are what I look for always, as long as they are slim and young - and hopefully have something that look like tits :) which can be hard to find sometimes.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've been in the Phils a couple of months now and one of the things that astounds me is the number of times ones sees pretty respectable foreign guys towing around frankly very unimpressive girls.

My girls here say that the locals have a word for this phenomena: that foreigners have a preference for "exotica" ie fat and ugly women that locals would not look at. So what's the explanation????[/QUOTE]


@Redkilt
Me too... I always share that I am attached/married, but I make sure to tell them that I am not attached to a pinay. Looks like that make them more relaxed as they dont have any local competition. Just my view on it.

I agree except the part about the tits. I like small ones. Like the old saying goes more than a mouthful is a waste.

[QUOTE=Marconista]My experience is that the pinoys are not into exotic pinays since they are normally more dark skinned and have a "regular" look. They like chinese or european/american looking ladies.
For us europeans, we tend to like tanned ladies and some are REALLY beautiful to us. I showed a picture of a VERY beautiful young lady to a pinoy friend and he expected me to show him a beauty... and all he said was "she's a morena". Not impressed at all.
In a filipino forum I have frequented for sometime one of the most popular ladies looked like an "ugly" american/european lady to me, but the local guys looked at her as the princess of their lives.

And - as another guy below mentioned... Real beautiful ladies (to foreign mongers and locals) tend to act like they know it and behave like a starfish.

So - for me - the exotic ladies are what I look for always, as long as they are slim and young - and hopefully have something that look like tits :) which can be hard to find sometimes.




@Redkilt
Me too... I always share that I am attached/married, but I make sure to tell them that I am not attached to a pinay. Looks like that make them more relaxed as they dont have any local competition. Just my view on it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bigdan]Hi Guys,

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??

Thanks in advance

Bigdan[/QUOTE]You dont.

You go to the Philippines Immigration depatment & get a visa extension. As of january this year you will have to apply & pay for ACRi card whilst processing your extension.

You can keep repeating your visits to immigration for extensions up to one year at which point you start the whole visitor visa cycle again by flying to Hong Kong (for example) and then fly back to PI again same day.

In the past it was technically possible to extend past one year but involved much paperwork/grovelling & possibly bribes.

Im looking for nice hotel in the P1000 to P2000 range. Anybody have some suggestions?

Hey all: A quick thanks to all for the reports on Phillipines section. I do have a question for anyone that can help, as couples friends and I are planning on going to Boracay for some beach and action. However the more I read from the forum it seems that Boracay is more of a place you would take a chick to, and not a good place to find action, is that correct? Should we instead go to Cebu over Boarcay?

Thanks,

FB

[QUOTE=Mayntain]Im looking for nice hotel in the P1000 to P2000 range. Anybody have some suggestions?[/QUOTE]
You can search Other Areas thread in this forum or go over to Dragon Slayer's PI Forum and search the CDO thread there. There is some discussion of hotels in both threads and you ought to be able to find something. I stayed in the Mallberry Suites, but that is beyond your price range.

To have both beach and babes many recommend Sabang/Puerto Galera on Mindoro.
Its about 2.5 hours ride from Manila to Batangas and a banca about 1 hour to PG.



[QUOTE=Fluffy Bud]Hey all: A quick thanks to all for the reports on Phillipines section. I do have a question for anyone that can help, as couples friends and I are planning on going to Boracay for some beach and action. However the more I read from the forum it seems that Boracay is more of a place you would take a chick to, and not a good place to find action, is that correct? Should we instead go to Cebu over Boarcay?

Thanks,

FB[/QUOTE]

Hello!

Here a pension house. Not have been inside, but its looks new and somebody
told me its onwed by a foreigner, i think dutch.

[url]http://goldenpensionhouse.web.officelive.com/default.aspx[/url]

Here a overview:

[url]http://www.hotelphilippines.biz/cagayandeoro-hotels-travel/[/url]

[QUOTE=Fluffy Bud]Hey all: A quick thanks to all for the reports on Phillipines section. I do have a question for anyone that can help, as couples friends and I are planning on going to Boracay for some beach and action. However the more I read from the forum it seems that Boracay is more of a place you would take a chick to, and not a good place to find action, is that correct? Should we instead go to Cebu over Boarcay?

Thanks,

FB[/QUOTE]I went to Boracay alone two years ago, thinking I could surely find a chick there. BIG mistake. In fact, the hotel staff, tourist shop people, boatmen, store clerks, everyone constantly asked me, "Sir, where is your companion? " And they were absolutely amazed that I'd gone to Boracay alone. They all offered to hook me up with their friend / niece / god-daughter / colleague. I did find one pretty cute SW (from Cebu) with whom I did ST. I'd estimate 50% or more of the few SW's were ladyboys. Boracay is a lovely, relaxing place. I highly recommend it as a vacation spot to unwind. But take a chick with you. This was my experience two years ago. Maybe others have had different experiences.

[QUOTE=Normad2020]I need some advise as to which "pre-paid" mobile service provider should I buy my phone number from and where can I get such a number in Angeles. I am asking as this is my first time to Angeles.[/QUOTE]
If you are planning on communicating with bar girls, I would buy a Smart SIM card available at most convienence stores and cp shops. The majority of Filipinas are using Smart these days.

[QUOTE=Fluffy Bud]Hey all: A quick thanks to all for the reports on Phillipines section. I do have a question for anyone that can help, as couples friends and I are planning on going to Boracay for some beach and action. However the more I read from the forum it seems that Boracay is more of a place you would take a chick to, and not a good place to find action, is that correct? Should we instead go to Cebu over Boarcay?[/QUOTE]
Yes you are correct! Boracay is a touristy beach to take your honey ko and she will love you for it. Although you can find some action there, it will be expensive and limited. Cebu has everything you could want and is conveinantly located for a number of 'island hops'.

thanks mate.

So SMART sim card it shall be. I am counting the days!

Cheers
normad2020


QUOTE=Mattrick]If you are planning on communicating with bar girls, I would buy a Smart SIM card available at most convienence stores and cp shops. The majority of Filipinas are using Smart these days.[/QUOTE]

Yes I know this is WAY off topic, but I figure that maybe a few others on here might be willing to share a little info with me. My girlfriend (Laguna) is finishing up her Master's classes this month and I am thinking about coming over a few days in advance and playing golf (for real) and maybe adding a few extra "holes" to the fun in the evening. I would really appreciate any advice about where to stay, play that might be able to accomodate both of those interests.
I would like to keep it in the Manila area if possible, but was considering going somewhere that I could get to Puerto Galeria or Boracay later when she is finished for a "couple's weekend".
TIA for any and all info, I have RTFF'd this forum and tried a Google search for Golf in the Phills, but thought you gents might have better info. Feel free to respond to my PM as to not clutter the board with this off topic drivel....:-))

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]Yes I know this is WAY off topic, but I figure that maybe a few others on here might be willing to share a little info with me. My girlfriend (Laguna) is finishing up her Master's classes this month and I am thinking about coming over a few days in advance and playing golf (for real) and maybe adding a few extra "holes" to the fun in the evening. I would really appreciate any advice about where to stay, play that might be able to accomodate both of those interests.

I would like to keep it in the Manila area if possible, but was considering going somewhere that I could get to Puerto Galeria or Boracay later when she is finished for a "couple's weekend".

TIA for any and all info, I have RTFF'd this forum and tried a Google search for Golf in the Phills, but thought you gents might have better info. Feel free to respond to my PM as to not clutter the board with this off topic drivel.)[/QUOTE]Yes stay in Manila. There is not much nightlife in Laguna/Calamba. Well there is a Padi's Point in Calamba. Lots of locals dancing their ass off, but not so sure its a good pickup place. Stay in Malate at Swagman's, they have a bus leaving in the mornings I think to PG/Sabang.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]Yes I know this is WAY off topic, but I figure that maybe a few others on here might be willing to share a little info with me. My girlfriend (Laguna) is finishing up her Master's classes this month and I am thinking about coming over a few days in advance and playing golf (for real) and maybe adding a few extra "holes" to the fun in the evening. I would really appreciate any advice about where to stay, play that might be able to accomodate both of those interests.

I would like to keep it in the Manila area if possible, but was considering going somewhere that I could get to Puerto Galeria or Boracay later when she is finished for a "couple's weekend".

TIA for any and all info, I have RTFF'd this forum and tried a Google search for Golf in the Phills, but thought you gents might have better info. Feel free to respond to my PM as to not clutter the board with this off topic drivel.)[/QUOTE]I'm not much of a golfer, but there's an interesting course right by the old fort in downtown Manila. It looks kind of cool, but it's right next to a major road so there's noise and emissions.

There's a golf club near Laguna called Southwoods. I'm not sure whether it's totally open to the public, but you can probably get in somehow.

[QUOTE=Mattrick]If you are planning on communicating with bar girls, I would buy a Smart SIM card available at most convienence stores and cp shops. The majority of Filipinas are using Smart these days.[/QUOTE]And as soon as you have it, learn the codes for unlimited texts. A member posted a whole list of them a while back.

Oh and expect to learn what "pasaload" is real quick. I will let you find out.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Yes stay in Manila. There is not much nightlife in Laguna/Calamba. Well there is a Padi's Point in Calamba. Lots of locals dancing their ass off, but not so sure its a good pickup place. Stay in Malate at Swagman's, they have a bus leaving in the mornings I think to PG/Sabang.[/QUOTE]


There is also a 9 hole course up in the mountains on Mindoro.

My x wife took my daughters and her mother to Borrocaay.

Does that give you any clues.

Go to cebu and dive on Bohol.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]And as soon as you have it, learn the codes for unlimited texts. A member posted a whole list of them a while back.

Oh and expect to learn what "pasaload" is real quick. I will let you find out.[/QUOTE]

As the phone cos make it awkward to gather this info, ill repost the list of codes I have.

If you are trying to hit the DIA/dating scene, you are probably going to send 100+ texts a day so unlimited plans are useful or you will be reloading very frequently. Smart is the dominant supplier maybe 65% market share, its a bit more expensive than the new boys Globe/TM and SUN , but has the best coverage and the most same network (and thus cheaper users). Many young girls in Manila/cebu will also have a SUN number as this does good deals if you and a bunch of freinds have it.

The cos are changing their unlimited codes all th time so some of those listed below may no longer be valid, but at least you will geta return SMS with alternatives.

GLOBE

SUPER-UNLI — unlimited calling and texting from Globe to Globe/Touch Mobile (TM) numbers for 5 days at Php 150.

To subscribe,text: SUPER150 to 2824

To make unlimited calls, dial 238 + 10-digit Globe/TM number (e.g. 2389176466398)

UNLITXT – UNLITXT has different packages of Unlimited texting to Globe and TM numbers.

UNLITXT20 – one (1) day unlimited texting for Php 20

To subscribe, text: UNLITXT20 to 8888

UNLITXT40 – two (2) days unlimited texting for Php 40

To subscribe, text: UNLITXT40 to 8888

UNLITXT80 – five (5) days unlimited texting for Php 80

To subscribe, text: UNLITXT80 to 8888

UNLITXT Daytime — Unlimited texting during day time,8am-4:59pm,to Globe/TM numbers for 9 hours.

UNLITXTD15 – unlimited day time texting for 1 day

To subscribe, text: UNLITXTD15 to 8888

UNLITXTD30 – unlimited day time texting for 2 days

To subscribe, text: UNLITXTD30 to 8888

UNLITXT Nighttime — Unlimited texting during night time,10pm-7:59am,to Globe/TM numbers for 9 hours.

UNLITXTD10 – unlimited night time texting for 1 day

To subscribe, text: UNLITXTD10 to 8888

UNLITXTD20 – unlimited night time texting for 2 days

To subscribe, text: UNLITXTD20 to 8888

SULITXT 15 — 150 texts to Globe/TM for 1 day for only Php 15

To subscribe, text: SULITXT 15 to 8888

EVERYBODYTXT 20 — 200 texts to Globe/TM numbers, and 20 texts to other networks for 1 day for only Php 20

To subscribe, text: ETXT 20 t0 8888

TXTOTHERS 20 — 40 texts to other networks for Php 20 valid for 1 day

To subscribe, text: TO 20 t0 8888

TOUCH MOBILE (TM; Globe’s sister company)

ASTIGUNLI — Unlimited texting and calling to TM and Globe numbers for 3 days for only Php 100

To subscribe, text: ASTIGUNLI 100 t0 2824

To make unlimited calls, dial 807 + 10-digit TM/Globe number

ASTIGTXT10 – Unlimited texting to TM and Globe for 1 day for only Php 10

To subscribe, text: ASTTIGTXT10 to 8888

SULITXT 10 — 75 texts to TM and Globe numbers for 1 day for only Php 10

To subscribe, text: SULITXT 10 to 8888

SULITXT 5 — 25 texts to TM and Globe for 1 day for only Php 5

To subscribe, text: SULITXT 5 to 8888

Touch Mobile’s (TM) Hotline is 808. You can dial it from your mobile phone with touch mobile sim.

SMART

SMARTEXT — Unlimited texting to Smart and Talk ‘N’Text (TNT) numbers, which is Php 30 for 2 days and Php 60 for 5 days.

To subscribe for 5 days of unlimited texting, text: 60 to 258

To subscribe for 2 days of unlimited texting, text: 30 to 258

SMARTalkPlus — Unlimited calls and text to Smart and TNT numbers from 10pm to 5pm for 5 days for only Php 100.

To subscribe, text: PLUS100 to 6401

To make unlimited calls, dial *6401 + 11-digit Smart/TNT number (e.g. *640109184456786)

SMARTEXT Plus 60 — Unlimited texting and 20 minutes calling to Smart & TNT numbers plus 20 text to other networks for 1 day for only Php 60

To subscribe, text: TXT60 to 258

To use the allotted 20-minute for calls, dial *6402 + 11-digit Smart/TnT number (e.g. *640209181234567)

SMARTEXT Plus 25 — Unlimited texting and 10 minutes calling to Smart & TNT numbers plus 10 text to other networks for 1 day for only Php 25

To subscribe, text: TXT25 to 258

To use the allotted 10 minutes for calling, dial *2590 + 11-digit Smart/TNT number (e.g. *259009181234567)

ALLText 20 COMBO – 100 texts and 5 minute call to Smart & TNT numbers for 1 day for only Php 20.

To subscribe, text: C20 to 2827

To make unlimited calls, dial *2827 + 11-digit Smart/TNT number (e.g. *282709181234567)

ALLTEXT 40 — 200 texts to Smart & TNT numbers plus 20 texts to other networks for only Php 40

To subscribe, text: AT40 to 2827

ALLTEXT 50 — 300 texts to Smart & TNT numbers plus 30 texts to other networks for only Php 50

To subscribe, text: AT50 to 2827

TEXT AND MMS ALL DAY, CALL ALL NIGHT! — 100 SMS/MMS to Smart & TNT numbers, 10 texts to other networks, plus unlimited calling to Smart/TNT from 11pm-6am. Please check here for terms and conditions of this package.

To subscribe, text: C25 to 2827

To make unlimited calls, dial *8654 + 11-digit Smart/TNT number (e.g. *865409181234567)

ALLTEXT MMS 20 — 110 texts/MMS to Smart & TNT numbers and 10 texts to other networks for 1 day for only Php 20

To subscribe, text: ATM20 to 2827

ALLTEXT MMS 30 — 200 texts/MMS to Smart & TNT numbers and 10 texts to other networks for 2 days for only Php 30

To subscribe, text: ATM30 to 2827

TALK ‘N TEXT (TNT; Smart’s sister company)

GAAN UnliTxt 20 Plus — Unlimited texting and 10 minutes of calling to Smart & TNT numbers for 1 day for only Php 20

To subscribe, text: GU20 to 4545

To make unlimited calls, *4546 + TnT or Smart number (e.g. *454609191234567)

GAAN UnliTxt 30 Plus — Unlimited texting and 20 minutes of calling to Smart & TNT numbers for 2 days for only Php 30

To subscribe, text: GU30 to 4545

To make unlimited calls, *4546 + TnT or Smart number (e.g. *454609191234567)

GAAN UnliTxt 55 Plus — Unlimited texting and 30 minutes of calling to Smart & TNT numbers for 3 days for only Php 55

To subscribe, text: GU55 to 4545

To make unlimited calls, *4546 + TnT or Smart number (e.g. *454609191234567)

GAAN UnliTxt 99 Plus — Unlimited texting and 40 minutes of calling to Smart & TNT numbers for 7 days for only Php 99

To subscribe, text: GU99 to 4545

To make unlimited calls, *4546 + TnT or Smart number (e.g. *454609191234567)

ENHANCE GAANTXT 10 – 55 texts to Smart & TNT numbers plus 5 texts to other networks for 1 day for only Php 10

To subscribe, text: GT10 to 8855

ALLTEXT 25 — 200 texts to Smart & TNT number for 1 day for only Php 25

To subscribe, text: ALLTXT25 to 258

ALLText 20 COMBO– 100 texts to Smart & TNT numbers for 1 day for only Php 20.

To subscribe, text: C20 to 2827

ALLTEXT 40 — 200 texts to Smart & TNT number for 1 day for only Php 40

To subscribe, text: AT40 to 2827

[QUOTE=GregLondon]As the phone cos make it awkward to gather this info, ill repost the list of codes I have................
[/QUOTE]

I thought EVERYONE would be jumping in here to thank you for this Greg but so far Wala!

So , thanks a shit load from me. Saved me heaps of searching for myself.
I always wondered how the girls knew about all the freebies etc.
I will reward you one day with a few numbers and contacts (when I am finished with them LOL)

Dear forum members,

I have a quick question about avoiding to buy a return ticket The Philippines, where I'm heading in the next week from Bangkok.

In my case it's not necessary to have a Visa for a stay under 21 days. But I apparently need a valid return ticket.

The thing is that I do not know exactly when I will return or if I'll go back to Bangkok.

So does anyone now if there's a way around buying a return ticket in advance?

Maraming salamat, GL.

(That's Tagalog for thank you very much.)

For the benefit of newbies to the Phils who may be unfamiliar with the way things work in the Phils. Texting by SMS is the standard way most of the girls you meet will communicate with each other and you. Calling is relatively expensive generally a few pesos per minute. Moreover line quality isn't great and especially with the less educated girls if you are not used to the accent so huge scope for confusion and misunderstandings. Bottom line , you are likely to do alot of texting if you try and date Phil girls.

Typical text costs are 1P intra network and 2P between different networks per text.

There are 3 networks

Smart (and junior partner Talk n Text) - 60% market share
Globe (and junior partner TM) - 30% market share
Sun - 10% market share - but relatively popular amongst young city girls

If you go for a single SIM you will probably opt for SMART. Using your home country SIM will be very expensive for you and few girls will reply to you, so if at all possible get an unlocked phone (if necessary buy a $20 simple one in Phils) and buy a local sim (typically 30-60P but include free texts/mins).

You add "load" to your sim either by buying a scratch card and dialing the code or more usually going to small shop/vendor selling electronic load (Look out for Load Na Dito (load here). You give the vendor your number and he passes you the required amount of load electronically.

Unless you plan to do a minimum amount of texting you will probably save money by subscribing to one of the promos I mentioned below. For reasons best known top themselves, getting info on these promos is not readily available on their websites, which is why the guys found the lists so useful.

Which promo is good for you will depend on your texting/calling habits and the sim you choose. You subscribe by sending an SMS with the code eg
"AT50" to the appropriate number in that case 2827

Somebody mentioned "Pasaload". This is a way for users to transfer an amount of load electronically between each other (fee 1 P). Of course what typically happens is Johnny Foreigner buys 300P of load and he gets lots of his textmates asking him to share load/passload so she can continue texting him. You can only do this intra network of course ie share smart load with smart users etc.

To share smart load write a message such as:

09123456789 30

and send it to "808"

this sends 30P to the owner of 09123456789

If you opted for Globe/TM

you texting the amount:

30

to

29123456789

ie your friend's number with a 2 instead of 0

Being generous with load curries favours with girls for a relatively small cost, but be aware that some girls are semi professional load hunters. They will initiate conversation with you (generally whilst on an unlimited package) then ask you to passload for more chit chat. Once you give them some load you may not hear from them again until they need for load. be suspicious of girls willing to get into dirty conversation/promises too easily in this regard.
The amounts involved may seem trivial but remember that many of these girls are getting buy on 200P a day so scoring 30P on load is a useful supplement to their income.

I've done this a couple of times flying cebu pacific BKK - Clark

At Clark immigration arent worried about return tickets but the airlines have been told they must check for them.

The first time I was able to just blag my way into them agreeing to let me on board without a ticket the second time they at first wouldnt let me on board eventually they said it was OK if I had a flight number for my claimed return online ticket.

I suggest that you check the airline schedules and get the flight number time and date details of a return flight - best do it with another airline so they cant just check it on their system, so if you are flying CEbu Pacific with Air phils and vice versa. Write this down on a peace of paer and quiote it at them when they ask you and you should be OK



[QUOTE=Uffizi]Dear forum members,

I have a quick question about avoiding to buy a return ticket The Philippines, where I'm heading in the next week from Bangkok.

In my case it's not necessary to have a Visa for a stay under 21 days. But I apparently need a valid return ticket.

The thing is that I do not know exactly when I will return or if I'll go back to Bangkok.

So does anyone now if there's a way around buying a return ticket in advance?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've done this a couple of times flying cebu pacific BKK - Clark

At Clark immigration arent worried about return tickets but the airlines have been told they must check for them.

The first time I was able to just blag my way into them agreeing to let me on board without a ticket the second time they at first wouldnt let me on board eventually they said it was OK if I had a flight number for my claimed return online ticket.

I suggest that you check the airline schedules and get the flight number time and date details of a return flight - best do it with another airline so they cant just check it on their system, so if you are flying CEbu Pacific with Air phils and vice versa. Write this down on a peace of paer and quiote it at them when they ask you and you should be OK[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot, I'll try that out.

[QUOTE=Uffizi]Thanks a lot, I'll try that out.[/QUOTE]

Just a warning. There's a chance they'll make you buy a ticket out of there to cover their ass. Is there really a big difference in price when you buy a one way ticket versus a round trip ticket?

[QUOTE=GregLondon]As the phone cos make it awkward to gather this info, ill repost the list of codes I have.

If you are trying to hit the DIA/dating scene, you are probably going to send 100+ texts a day so unlimited plans are useful or you will be reloading very frequently. Smart is the dominant supplier maybe 65% market share, its a bit more expensive than the new boys Globe/TM and SUN , but has the best coverage and the most same network (and thus cheaper users). Many young girls in Manila/cebu will also have a SUN number as this does good deals if you and a bunch of freinds have it.

The cos are changing their unlimited codes all th time so some of those listed below may no longer be valid, but at least you will get a return SMS with alternatives.[/QUOTE]

Uh, kudos for this _extremely_ comprehensive list Greg.
Jezus man, I've been here 5 years, even run business's selling load, but still can't remember 99% of these codes. Even the locals _don't_ use most of them.

Just wanna say three thing's :

1) As well intentioned as it is, you will confuse the hell out of new arrivals with all this. Much better to just buy a P500 load card (which will have many free text's included).

2) If you are sending 100 or more txt's per day then you are doing something majorly wrong dude.. A man should be balls deep after a few txt's. A few more for the next contestant & so on. A few follow up txt's. maybe 20 - 30 txt's for the day tops.

3) The girls buy their "alltxt 20" from smart so that they can chatter all day to their other friends/relatives because it's all they afford - they have little or no money. This is how they live day in & day out. Woe unto you for trying to do the same. No sooner do you get your "alltxt 20" than some chick is hitting you for pasaload or request a load because she desperately needs to txt you something about her upcoming meet with you & boom! there goes your 'unlimited txt's'. It's back to walking the streets looking for the nearest load seller for more load lad - welcome to _their_world_.

If you will be here more than a week or so, if your cell is locked, buy a local (unlocked) cell, buy a 'retailer sim' & load it up with a couple of thousand pesos of eload & away you go. Its the cheapest & easiest way to go. The 'pasaloads' & 'request a loads' will be much cheaper for you to give. Your calls & txt's will be as cheap as 'wholesale'.

AV

[QUOTE=Uffizi]Dear forum members,

I have a quick question about avoiding to buy a return ticket The Philippines, where I'm heading in the next week from Bangkok.

In my case it's not necessary to have a Visa for a stay under 21 days. But I apparently need a valid return ticket.

The thing is that I do not know exactly when I will return or if I'll go back to Bangkok.

So does anyone now if there's a way around buying a return ticket in advance?[/QUOTE]It's a requirement to have one, therefore you can be refused entry without one.

Ask your self this question : do i really want to fuck up my chance to have lots of sex with lots of beautiful delicious young girls over such a silly technicality?

Uh huh? I thought not.

So get a forward ticket to some place else before you come, simple.
What's the problem with booking your forward ticket to BKK? You can always rebook the flight if you need to change your itinerary later.

p.s. it's possible to B.S. your way past PI immigration but I wouldn't count on it. Do you _really_ want to mess with some third world goon in a uniform?
Uh huh, go book the ticket now, there's a good lad.

AV

Yo guys hehe. Sorry, I know this may have been brought up already but, I been going through pages on the forum to see if I can come across a discussion on travelers checks but, I couldn't find any. Anyways, I wanted to ask if any of you brought travelers checks to the Philippines? I never brought travelers checks to a foreign country before. Would banks in PI have trouble with cashing travelers checks? I'm guessing that the exchange rate will be high? Would it take long for them to process? Is bringing some cash and then using ATM is more ideal? Or, just bring all cash? I'm assuming most people would just bring cash and then use their ATM when they need more money. I plan to be in Cebu and then Angeles City.


Thanks!

[QUOTE=Gogobarlover]Yo guys hehe. Sorry, I know this may have been brought up already but, I been going through pages on the forum to see if I can come across a discussion on travelers checks but, I couldn't find any. Anyways, I wanted to ask if any of you brought travelers checks to the Philippines? I never brought travelers checks to a foreign country before. Would banks in PI have trouble with cashing travelers checks? I'm guessing that the exchange rate will be high? Would it take long for them to process? Is bringing some cash and then using ATM is more ideal? Or, just bring all cash? I'm assuming most people would just bring cash and then use their ATM when they need more money. I plan to be in Cebu and then Angeles City.


Thanks![/QUOTE]
If they are Amex US$ you are probably ok. Other sorts can be a struggle. Every time I take TCs anywhere I always ask myself afterwards why I bother. Cash and selection of credit cards usually is much more reliable. There's the supposed 'safety' factor of TCs but the cost and hassle hardly compensates for me personally. I'd rather take precautions with cash and cards in different places and secured differently.

In my opinion the TCs are far more trouble than they're worth. You will have a difficult time finding places to cash them and, if you wind up at a bank, you could be waiting in lines for a long time. It's much better I think just to bring some cash and then rely on ATMs, which are all over the place and reasonably reliable. If you've got a Visa debit card, I suggest you use it as well so that you do not need to carry as much cash. The exchange rates--at least when I use my ATM--are not bad at all compared to the bank rate, and it's far less hassle.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]In my opinion the TCs are far more trouble than they're worth. You will have a difficult time finding places to cash them and, if you wind up at a bank, you could be waiting in lines for a long time. It's much better I think just to bring some cash and then rely on ATMs, which are all over the place and reasonably reliable. If you've got a Visa debit card, I suggest you use it as well so that you do not need to carry as much cash. The exchange rates--at least when I use my ATM--are not bad at all compared to the bank rate, and it's far less hassle.

GE[/QUOTE]I brought travellers cheques with me the first time I went to Philippines 5 years ago. I could not find anyone to cash them. I tried money changers, banks, everywhere. I finally found out from one bank that only PNB (Philippines National Bank?) anyway, the big national bank there, would cash them. I arrived and they said they had a cut-off time when they would cash them. I can't remember but 12 noon rings a bell. I just made it under the wire or I wouldn't have been able to change them that day at all, and I was out of cash. No need to bring them anyway. Debit cards work fine.

Bopalula

Am still trying to find a resort with bungalows on a nice quiet beach, internet and close to walk or taxi to bars and resturants.

Am looking for a place for several weeks as am wanting to focus on a computer project. Close to a place with variity of pussy.

If I get tired of her I will want to trade her in on a newer more exciting model.

I have not been but Puerto Galera area is best yet, I have heard of.

[QUOTE=Amavida]It's a requirement to have one, therefore you can be refused entry without one.

Ask your self this question : do i really want to fuck up my chance to have lots of sex with lots of beautiful delicious young girls over such a silly technicality?

Uh huh? I thought not.

So get a forward ticket to some place else before you come, simple.
What's the problem with booking your forward ticket to BKK? You can always rebook the flight if you need to change your itinerary later.

p.s. it's possible to B.S. your way past PI immigration but I wouldn't count on it. Do you _really_ want to mess with some third world goon in a uniform?
Uh huh, go book the ticket now, there's a good lad.

AV[/QUOTE]Thanks for the warning. I didn't intend to try to con my way through the immigration. I was just curious if there was a legal work around.

Anyway, I bought a return ticket so no probs. and now I'm here in Manila :)

[QUOTE=Uffizi]Thanks for the warning. I didn't intend to try to con my way through the immigration. I was just curious if there was a legal work around.

Anyway, I bought a return ticket so no probs. and now I'm here in Manila :)[/QUOTE]
Last time I entered the country I flat out refused at the Thai airways check in to buy a return ticket out of the Philippines. I told him I live there and don't know when I will travel out of the country again. He insisted I still refused. They let me on the plane anyway eventually even without the damn return ticket. Immigration never even once asked me that ticket. It may be a con from the airline company to force you to buy a last minute overpriced return ticket with them.

Anyway, buying a return ticket in advance with return date that can be changed for free is probably a better option just to avoid all the hassle. I also found out recently that unlike Cebu Pacific, buying a return ticket with Thai airways or Bangkok airways rather than two one ways can come out much cheaper. The problem is only if you improvise your next destination.

I was once refused entry in Thailand at the Cambodian border of Talin because I did not had an outbound ticket. This was even more ridiculous because this was ground travel and at the time I was going around with buses and improvised where next to go. Anyway, as it turned out it was a blessing in disguise as because of that I extended my stay in Cambodia for one month and it so happened that this month was one of the most memorable in my life.

Can you buy pre paid wi fi dongles Philippines.

Yes, there are 2 or three brands available.

I bought one in February. Its from Globe and was the best deal around at 900Php (about $20 USD) inlcuding a few hours use. That was half normal price.

I think Globe is probably the biggest carrier.

Not fast, but reasonable reception. Recharge easy to buy. Ask for Globe Tatoo.

You will find the modem is locked to Globe so you can't use another sim. Alternatively bring an unlocked sim from another country and just buy the local Tatoo sim.

Given the very low price of the Tatoo I didn't bother wasting any more time.

Others here will have more detailed and expert advice I'm sure.

[QUOTE=Vandaddio]Am still trying to find a resort with bungalows on a nice quiet beach, internet and close to walk or taxi to bars and resturants.

Am looking for a place for several weeks as am wanting to focus on a computer project. Close to a place with variity of pussy.

If I get tired of her I will want to trade her in on a newer more exciting model.

I have not been but Puerto Galera area is best yet, I have heard of.[/QUOTE]Cagayan De Oro is one. Lots of amateurs also who are willing.

[QUOTE=Denom]Last time I entered the country I flat out refused at the Thai airways check in to buy a return ticket out of the Philippines. I told him I live there and don't know when I will travel out of the country again. He insisted I still refused. They let me on the plane anyway eventually even without the damn return ticket. Immigration never even once asked me that ticket. It may be a con from the airline company to force you to buy a last minute overpriced return ticket with them.[/QUOTE]strange country, PI.

Poor underdeveloped country, desperate for Euros, and USD, yet, they make us farang jump through hoops to get in there.

Try buying a ticket online and the list of requirements goes through the roof. You need to show proof of "yes boss, here is my ticket that states I will not sit on a fab PI beach for the rest of my life" when you want fly into the damn place. But once you are there. Mmmmmmmmmmmm aroy / enak mak2.

And these girls are such angels. And so good at relieving you of your green. The devil tought them well.

Will be in Cebu or mnl in about 4 weeks. God help me.

[quote=col law]can you buy pre paid wi fi dongles philippines.[/quote]

yes, you can get prepaid wifi dongle with both smart and globe. rates are pretty cheap, however depending on where you are connection speeds range from decent to slow.

cs

[QUOTE=Blackangst]Cagayan De Oro is one. Lots of amateurs also who are willing.[/QUOTE]thank you, I will check it out, I have read a bit on here about it and another area close by that seems popular.

I really need internet for my work and quiet for my play.

Are there bungalows for rent or just hotels?

Hello everyone!

I will go to the Philippines next February, I am butterfly, but I am a passionate snorkelling, and go to Donsol (Sorgoson) and El Nido (Palawan)!

I read that many of you contact the girls in DIA, but I do not have the time and equipment during the day to chat, then it is not my style contact girls and a virtual friendship that then surely once back end, I will not deceive no.

My plan was to visit Manila a few days, then move to some gorni Angeles strascorrere divetrirmi and identify and hire a girl ch emi like to visit El Nido and another for Donsol. Io know Thailand well and I know he would not no problem go to Pattaya and barfine for a few days, and the girls are willing to follow me because they never had the chance to visit their country!

In the Philippines the same? As you offer a girl to follow you? Obviously giving board accommodation flights, all I want to load!

A few possibilities to have three in Palawan and Legazspi? Please

[QUOTE=Bortolo73]Hello everyone!

My plan was to visit Manila a few days, then move to some days Angeles,have fun and identify and hire to visit El Nido and another for Donsol. Io know Thailand well and I know he would not no problem go to Pattaya and barfine for a few days, and the girls are willing to follow me because they never had the chance to visit their country!

In the Philippines the same? As you offer a girl to follow you? Obviously giving board accommodation flights, all I want to load!

A few possibilities to have three in Palawan and Legazspi? Please[/QUOTE]Sorry for my mistake!

[QUOTE=Vandaddio]thank you, I will check it out, I have read a bit on here about it and another area close by that seems popular.

I really need internet for my work and quiet for my play.

Are there bungalows for rent or just hotels?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure. Ive only stayed at the Miami Inn (smallish hotel p1200-p1800 price range).

I'm 59 Which is the best way to have a great time in the Philippines, what I'm looking for is GFE with some tlc. What I, m saying what's the best way to play the game.

Sorry to be a pain in the arse have I got the scene in the Phillippines (I'm taking it's the same all over) correct.

The girls in the club's are mainly ST. The ones on DIA can be hooked if played right (but be carefull)

What's the street scene like? What's the best place for a semi old b- to go hunting, at the moment I'm thinking Cebu.

P. S I'm vetran of Thailand I know that scene just trying to understand the difference.

Thanks for any help or advice.

What are the beachs like around CDO?

Hey guys, I've RTFF, and are thankful for your insights and knowledges for The Philippines.

It seems at the moment, the only thing that I'm confused by is how long to travel in the country.

What I plan at the moment is to visit Manila - ( so do LA CAFE, a bit of gambling, EDSA, Makati, P Burgos, etc)

I also plan to do Angeles City and the gogo bars, and perhaps if I can score a decent girl, then head over to Borocay or something like that.

Now as for how long I go, It seems I hear that Angeles City is the place to be. Its fun and addictive, so I may well budget more time and money to be spent there.

Confusion for me would be, How long to spend in The Philippines? 2 weeks or 3 weeks? And then, how long in each particular area, and perhaps are there any other places I definitely have to hit up?

If I was to make it 3 weeks, I am not quite sure just yet, how to arrange a schedule to fit in everything. 7 days Manila, 7 days Angeles City, and 4-5 days Borocay was what I was intending. But I thought I would leave you guys to suggest your ideas.

And furthermore, excluding a hotel I am budgeting around 7000PHP a day. I was wondering if this was realistic (a little more splurging if im over budget?)

Cheers guys, for taking your time to check this out.

[QUOTE=Backslash]Hey guys, I've RTFF, and are thankful for your insights and knowledges for The Philippines.

It seems at the moment, the only thing that I'm confused by is how long to travel in the country.

What I plan at the moment is to visit Manila - ( so do LA CAFE, a bit of gambling, EDSA, Makati, P Burgos, etc)

I also plan to do Angeles City and the gogo bars, and perhaps if I can score a decent girl, then head over to Borocay or something like that.

Now as for how long I go, It seems I hear that Angeles City is the place to be. Its fun and addictive, so I may well budget more time and money to be spent there.

Confusion for me would be, How long to spend in The Philippines? 2 weeks or 3 weeks? And then, how long in each particular area, and perhaps are there any other places I definitely have to hit up?

If I was to make it 3 weeks, I am not quite sure just yet, how to arrange a schedule to fit in everything. 7 days Manila, 7 days Angeles City, and 4-5 days Borocay was what I was intending. But I thought I would leave you guys to suggest your ideas.

And furthermore, excluding a hotel I am budgeting around 7000PHP a day. I was wondering if this was realistic (a little more splurging if im over budget?)
[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't worry about making an exact itinerary when you are there. I would play it as it goes and just go with what you like, but I think going to both Angeles and Manila are a good thing and giving each a try. Most mongers just go to Angeles. I used to be one of those, and now rarely go there. Not sure how old you are and your tastes, but personally for me, the talent level in Angeles is somewhat below par to what I like in looks. Plus I get bored there, more a city boy. You just want to make sure you have somewhere to stay when you land I think whether it's Manila/Makati or Angeles so you don't have to look for a place then. You can always break your original plans on how long you want to stay at a hotel, just don't do it so much to one hotel or they may not be so willing to book you maybe. But realize this especially for Angeles, there are many decent to good hotels available.

In regards to budget, that 7000 is to me more than enough in Angeles, and depending on Manila/Makati maybe good if you stick to LA Cafe, maybe not so good if you do a lot of Makati/EDSA but doable. Hotel values are not so good like it is in Angeles. Not sure about weather in Borocay for your time period. Cebu can be a sleepy little city, but some cool women there.

[QUOTE=Vandaddio]What are the beachs like around CDO?[/QUOTE]


Most of what you will find in the immediate city are crap but anything nicer depends on how far 'out' you are willing to go. I would suggest going Eastwards to Butuan rather than westwards towards Illigan....which is Not advisiable.

If you are going to CDO you might as well go to Camiguin for beach time.

Spam Hog

[QUOTE=Key Master]I wouldn't worry about making an exact itinerary when you are there. I would play it as it goes and just go with what you like[/QUOTE]
Yes, I think so too. Travel inside the PI is dirt cheap. Learn the bus sytem, very handy. You can also go to a ticket counter in SM and get a cheap airplane ticket even for the same day (which you can't on the Internet).

Combination are limitless. Just get rough informations about hotels in the cities you plan to visit, make a rough itinerary and then adapt depending on your catch and how you feel in each places. They now have a highway between Angeles and Subic so very easy to switch between beach and *****.

I never reserved a hotel in the PI, even in peak season, and never had trouble finding something, though the price/quality ratio will never be as good as in Thailand. When I am tired of a place I just move on. If I find a nice girl, I either stay or take her with me. Absolute freedom.

7000 a day on top of the hotel is plenty except in Burgos - rip off place where you overpay for very average to low quality girls. EDSA much better, bar fine was around 1000 last time I was there and tip not mandatory, though strongly advised. Had some really nice girls from there, better than Burgos. The better looking girls in LA Cafe now expect 1500 for short time but you'll be happy if you find anything decent there. Occasional stunner but on the whole very low quality. Vicinity of LA sometimes better.

[QUOTE=Key Master]
In regards to budget, that 7000 is to me more than enough in Angeles, and depending on Manila/Makati maybe good if you stick to LA Cafe, maybe not so good if you do a lot of Makati/EDSA but doable. Hotel values are not so good like it is in Angeles. Not sure about weather in Borocay for your time period. Cebu can be a sleepy little city, but some cool women there.[/QUOTE]
Would agree with KM except that I reallyu like Cebu and Cenbuanas are very sexy IMHO...but then I find Filipinas sexy :D

Also go to Havana Cafe in Makati (not anywhere else as my good mate FSlag338 did once). Full of lovely girls and IMHO a cut above LA Cafe.

Budget seems OK if you are includiung shagging money in that amount, if not then you can easily live off far less (excluding hotels).

Lots of hotel room web sites to hunt for bargains and they can be had but Manila is expensive while AC is cheap, plenty of choicees there and a ncie room can be had for no more than 1500 pesos (or less). Cebu is mid range and Davao is good also.

Have fun and happy hunting

[QUOTE=Denom]
7000 a day on top of the hotel is plenty except in Burgos - rip off place where you overpay for very average to low quality girls. EDSA much better, bar fine was around 1000 last time I was there and tip not mandatory, though strongly advised. Had some really nice girls from there, better than Burgos. The better looking girls in LA Cafe now expect 1500 for short time but you'll be happy if you find anything decent there. Occasional stunner but on the whole very low quality. Vicinity of LA sometimes better.[/QUOTE]

Burgos is up and down in talent just like anywhere else and changes day to day depending who shows up to work. You can make arrangements with some there but whether they show up is hard to say. I have found some places there willing to negotiate the price of barfines.

In regards to EDSA, barfine at 1000? Not sure where in EDSA that is, I thought it was 1400 couple months ago and the woman gets none of it, so tipping is kind of expected otherwise all they got was commission from the drinks you bought them. I saw somewhere else that barfines have been raised there but I don't know for sure. In February, I thought talent was better on Burgos than EDSA, but I would have reversed that 9 months ago.

LA Cafe has talent, but usually the better talent is later in evening like 10pm at the earliest there and usually upstairs, but lately better downstairs than before. It varies and sometimes it's dog city all night.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Would agree with KM except that I reallyu like Cebu and Cenbuanas are very sexy IMHO...but then I find Filipinas sexy :D

Also go to Havana Cafe in Makati (not anywhere else as my good mate FSlag338 did once). Full of lovely girls and IMHO a cut above LA Cafe.
[/QUOTE]

WR, don't get me wrong, I like Cebu. My luck there with women is way better than in AC. I am just saying that it's a little smaller and quieter in different ways from AC and Manila/Makati. Havana has it's moments, but I think a lot of the women there are older there. There are definitely some lookers on occasion but not nearly as I think others have made it out to be. I enjoy myself there as the setting is nice. The only problem is that I think many of the freelancers there think a little too highly of themselves.

[QUOTE=Key Master]In regards to EDSA, barfine at 1000? Not sure where in EDSA that is, I thought it was 1400 couple months ago and the woman gets none of it, so tipping is kind of expected otherwise all they got was commission from the drinks you bought them. I saw somewhere else that barfines have been raised there but I don't know for sure. In February, I thought talent was better on Burgos than EDSA, but I would have reversed that 9 months ago.[/QUOTE]
Yes, as I said, that was the price last time I was there. Shows that I haven't been there for ages. Of course I always tip the girl extra (just like in Angeles, where the last time I was there I was quoted a price of 1,200 all included, way up from the 500-700 I remember in the olden times). Have not been to Burgos for even longer but last time I was there I was quoted BF prices like 4,000 or what (maybe 3,000 not sure but I just found it insane, especially for what was on offer).

Gentlemen, I cannot find the appropriate trend for this. I just want to express my opinion and observation as a first time visitor to Angeles and compared it to Pattaya.

This being my first trip to Angeles, I was very apprehensive even though I had done my homework from ISG. I was very conscious of my surrounding to ensure my personal safety. I went there with the least amount of expectation and I had a great time.......

(1) Lets compare the place......both Angeles & Pattaya have similar road conditions and both places are what you would have expected from a 3rd world mongering venue. I was not turned off by this as I have experienced worst in Indonesia.

(2) As for food, I would say that both places have unique food. Angeles being more influenced by the American and Spanish cuisine whilst Pattaya is the famous Thai cuisine. To me both places have its charm when it comes to food. My only comment is that Pinoy food then to be too salty for my taste-buds.

(3) Girls in general, I found Filipina to be more "friendly" and once you have bar-fined them they will take you as their "male friend" even if it is for one night. They are not demanding in wanting to eat expensive food and buying things. In fact I found Filipina to be generally very gracious to the point of being "shy" once they are out of their bar environment. Thai although is friendly still holds a very "business" attitude and where possible they will milk you dry.

(4) Where do I stand after my first trip to Angeles? I will definitely return. I will also want to go to Pattaya but for now I will hold-back and see the political development in Thailand.

Cheers
normad2020

Did I read a report correctly before? If you purchase and activate a magicjack in the US then you can take it to Philippines and get free calls to the US while in Philippines? I know internet services aren't the best, but I'm sure I read that somewhere here. Does anyone know about that idea?

It does work well but not with the cellular modems. But connections at the hotels offering internet connection and starbucks are good enough.

[QUOTE=Kycuriosity]Did I read a report correctly before? If you purchase and activate a magicjack in the US then you can take it to Philippines and get free calls to the US while in Philippines? I know internet services aren't the best, but I'm sure I read that somewhere here. Does anyone know about that idea?[/QUOTE]

I am in the USA at the moment and will arrive in Phil next month. I have attempted to register with DIA but I'm having a problem. They ask for a Cell # to send a SMS Text to verify the account.

No prob, but when I choose the USA as my Country and then put in my 10 digit phone # in I never get the SMS Text with Access Code. WTF! I have tried it numerous times with no success.

There is not contact assistance on Website so I'm here asking for help.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks for any help!

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker]I am in the USA at the moment and will arrive in Phil next month. I have attempted to register with DIA but I'm having a problem. They ask for a Cell # to send a SMS Text to verify the account.

No prob, but when I choose the USA as my Country and then put in my 10 digit phone # in I never get the SMS Text with Access Code. WTF! I have tried it numerous times with no success.

There is not contact assistance on Website so I'm here asking for help.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks for any help![/QUOTE]
I just registered on DIA for YOU and I got an email confirmation, not a text???

Confirm your email address
- We have sent your confirmation code to [email]XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com[/email].
- Please click the link in the email or enter the code below.

From my email: Welcome to DateInAsia.com!
Your Confirmation Code is: XEXELGKLTDVLOX
Your account was set up on our web site with the following:


Are you using: [url]http://www.dateinasia.com/[/url]

Robb

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker]I am in the USA at the moment and will arrive in Phil next month. I have attempted to register with DIA but I'm having a problem. They ask for a Cell # to send a SMS Text to verify the account.

No prob, but when I choose the USA as my Country and then put in my 10 digit phone # in I never get the SMS Text with Access Code. WTF! I have tried it numerous times with no success.

There is not contact assistance on Website so I'm here asking for help.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks for any help![/QUOTE]A buddy in UK just made a profile on DIA. He too got the SMS thing. They txt him a message with some code, he had to go back and enter the code in order for the profile to activate. This was a few days ago. Odd.

Yes I recieved the same Email. But then was asked to verify account via SMS Text. But the SMS Text I never get? This is from the DIA Website below. Maybe its a new policy?

Q: I don't have a mobile phone. Can I sign up? A: Currently you cannot sign up without a mobile phone.

If you wish to borrow a friend's mobile phone to sign up that's fine with us, but please note that only one account can be created per one mobile phone number.

Q: Why do I need a mobile phone to sign up in your site? A: We understand that this may seem strange and annoying, but account activation by mobile phone SMS makes it more difficult for people to create fake accounts because:

Only one account can be created using the same mobile phone number.

If we ban someone from our site, he or she cannot sign up again using the same mobile phone number.

When someone deletes his or her account, we limit the number of times he or she can sign up again using the same mobile phone number.

Only mobile phone numbers from a selection of countries can be used.

Q: My country is not listed. Can I sign up? A: We only support the countries listed on the Activation by Mobile Phone SMS page. You will need a mobile phone number from one of those countries.

Q: Will it cost me money to receive the activation SMS? A: We suggest contacting your mobile phone provider for details on costs associated with text messaging. These costs vary, depending on your plan and provider.

Q: How long will it take to get the SMS? A: Usually you will recive the SMS very quickly (in a matter of seconds or minutes), but sometimes the delivery can be delayed. If you have not received your activation SMS after waiting more than 24 hours you may request that the activation code is resent.

Q: Will you keep my Mobile Phone Number? A: We will use your mobile phone number to send you an activation code by SMS, and we store your mobile phone number to ensure it is not used to create more than one account.

If your account is closed by us for violating our terms of use, we will keep your number to prevent it to be used to create a new account in the future.

If you delete your account, we will keep your number to make sure you don't create too many new accounts during a given period of time.

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[QUOTE=Robbaf]
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I checked it out too and definitely it requires a request to confirm on email. No mobile phone numbers were mentioned at all.

I don't understand his problem.

Ok not sure what the problem was with my registration either. I tried again today and it did not require me to register via text message to cell. It finally allowed me to use my email code and log on.

Sorry for the questions but thats what the site was telling me.

I'm a dia member now.

Thanks for the assistance!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]\\

I checked it out too and definitely it requires a request to confirm on email. No mobile phone numbers were mentioned at all.

I don't understand his problem.[/QUOTE]

i created a new DIA profile for a freind on my laptop and (for the first time) it asked for this TXT code . Maybe it checks if there have been previous profiles opened on that computer/IP address and only sends the message asking for SMS clearance in suspicious cases??

Hi I will soon need a 3rd visa renewal. For my second one i had to pay an additional charge of $50 for an electronic ID or something. But i never had chance to pick it up in Cebu. now I am in Puerto Princesa. Does anyone knows whether , because I haventg picked it up they are going to charge me again.

I think these things were only introduced recently *(as yet another way of scamming tourists re visas) Does anyone know exactly what they are, what they look like, How long they might hold it at the Cebu immigration office etc?

[QUOTE=GregLondon]Hi I will soon need a 3rd visa renewal. For my second one i had to pay an additional charge of $50 for an electronic ID or something. But i never had chance to pick it up in Cebu. now I am in Puerto Princesa. Does anyone knows whether , because I haventg picked it up they are going to charge me again.

I think these things were only introduced recently *(as yet another way of scamming tourists re visas) Does anyone know exactly what they are, what they look like, How long they might hold it at the Cebu immigration office etc?[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that this is your ACR card which is now required with the first 59 day extension (not the 21 to 59 day). The card is supposed to be good for a year. Not all offices are able to issue you this card, but they are charging you for it. The advice I've seen elsewhere says to hang on to your receipts, especially the one that mentions the expense for the card so that you can show you've already paid for it when you do subsequent extensions. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=Finrod]My understanding is that this is your ACR card which is now required with the first 59 day extension (not the 21 to 59 day). The card is supposed to be good for a year. Not all offices are able to issue you this card, but they are charging you for it. The advice I've seen elsewhere says to hang on to your receipts, especially the one that mentions the expense for the card so that you can show you've already paid for it when you do subsequent extensions. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]

I guess Ill see if i havent thrown away the receipts. What a farce these things are.

I've been chatting with some young hotties on CB. They all say the same thing. They want a "serious man. " Translation. A guy to marry them and get them out of there.

Here's my question. If you go over there mongering and meet up with these girls (especially the 20-21 year olds).can you get them in the sack (since they are non-pros) after one date (or at the end of the first date). I'm only going to be there for a few days. And don't really want to work at it that hard. The girls seem eager to meet.

I cold go the easy route with pros. But like the idea of the enthusiastic young no-pros,

Anybody have any advice with this?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ElvisBob]I've been chatting with some young hotties on CB. They all say the same thing. They want a "serious man. " Translation. A guy to marry them and get them out of there.

Here's my question. If you go over there mongering and meet up with these girls (especially the 20-21 year olds).can you get them in the sack (since they are non-pros) after one date (or at the end of the first date). I'm only going to be there for a few days. And don't really want to work at it that hard. The girls seem eager to meet.

I cold go the easy route with pros. But like the idea of the enthusiastic young no-pros,

Anybody have any advice with this?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Take a gander through he penpal/dating site thread...it is answered very well there how to handle it.

[QUOTE=ElvisBob]I've been chatting with some young hotties on CB. They all say the same thing. They want a "serious man. " Translation. A guy to marry them and get them out of there.

Here's my question. If you go over there mongering and meet up with these girls (especially the 20-21 year olds).can you get them in the sack (since they are non-pros) after one date (or at the end of the first date). I'm only going to be there for a few days. And don't really want to work at it that hard. The girls seem eager to meet.

I cold go the easy route with pros. But like the idea of the enthusiastic young no-pros,

Anybody have any advice with this?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Tried to PM you, but you dont have an inbox set up.

Blackangst is right it is discussed extensively on the dating section but to summarise (at least my take on it).

1 The prime motive of the majority of girls (apart from scammers is to find some medium-long term relationship hopefully leading to marriage and hitting the jackpot.)

2 However, if (1) is not on the menu, then maybe 30-40% will be open to a shorter term romp.

3 The majority of the girls will not discuss money but in my view (and again this has been lengthily discussed of late), if you have gone for short term fun they will be very much expecting/hoping some sort of financial payback 500P short time or 1000P overnight is probably the "going rate" but some of the cuter or more experienced ones will have higher expectations. One can handle the often embarrassing issue of payback by "here is something for your taxi " or " I would have bought you a present but I didn't know exactly what you wanted "

4 If you are here for just 2 or 3 days the key to this is to sort out if the girl is in the 30% who can beforehand by being pretty upfront in your profile and clear in subsequent messages. Otherwise you are going to waste alot of time.

5 Being late or no shows is pretty common, its best to have a plan b or c

6 Angeles is probably the worst city for online dating as there is so much commercial stuff going on.

7 Manila and Cebu are probably the best as there are plenty of open minded girls there.

8 In other towns it is very possible, but the numbers are likely to be smaller and results more hot and miss.

Maybe 1 in 10 girls will request you don't use a condom. In my view , unless you have had a vasectomy this is reckless as it potentially opens you up to a "honey Ive missed two periods" email 3 months later

[QUOTE=Kycuriosity]Did I read a report correctly before? If you purchase and activate a magicjack in the US then you can take it to Philippines and get free calls to the US while in Philippines? I know internet services aren't the best, but I'm sure I read that somewhere here. Does anyone know about that idea?[/QUOTE]
You can also receive free calls as long as you have MJ logged in, check voice mail as well !
[QUOTE=Azmodeus Fl]It does work well but not with the cellular modems. But connections at the hotels offering internet connection and starbucks are good enough.[/QUOTE]
MJ has a new 3G air card app. but have yet to try it.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]6 Angeles is probably the worst city for online dating as there is so much commercial stuff going on.[/QUOTE]
This is from another Philippine forum:

Anyway, as of an hour ago, I counted 71 DIA pages of girls from "Angeles," 150 pages of girls from "Angeles City," and a smattering of girls from Pampanga, AC and a few misspellings. There are 10 girls per page, so that amounts to something on the order of 2100-2200 DIA profiles from AC.


Robb