Davao

Been there once by day and once around midnight on a Sunday. It's about 20 shacks, some larger, some smaller and as Barba said, mostly hanging over the sea. Each had quite a few people hanging out drinking, all very friendly and they've taken horrible music to a new level. In terms of women, there was nothing there of interest to me and made the ladies around Tionko / see Bank look like movie stars. Worth a look though if you're bored, I could have been letting my sobriety skew my judgement. It's several kilometers south of the city proper, past Punta Dumalog.

Pictured are some of the rooms you may rent, some of the talent you may find, and some the sea you may fall in.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1584417]Been there once by day and once around midnight on a Sunday.[/QUOTE]Mmmm. Don't you just want to unfold your towel and chill on that lovely beach? Work up a good old tan-sweat before you throw yourself in the cool and refreshing waves. Davao beach life at it's finest.

The only reason to ever go there is probably to buy beer after the ridiculous liqueur ban killed your party. NPA business. IMHO this shit hole beats City Buzz (old Cogot). I rather look Bonguyan junkies than Dennis smirking at drunk Koreans, if I get to choose. Dennis keeps the beer colder though.

B

Hi fellow mongers.

I'll hit Davao very soon to try my lucky with some Dia girls I contacted lately.

Can you give me some ad ice about a decent, cheap and of course gf hotel?

Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1583584]I

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Next up, and last on the list, was Roman Plaza, which I had remembered somewhat fondly from the old days as I had been taken there on my very first night in Davao and had taken out a cute, nubile young woman. Times though have changed.



GE.[/QUOTE]Ah, the memories. Yes, Roman Suites was first place I was taken to, also on my first night in Davao.

[QUOTE=OnTheRoad;1607022]Hi fellow mongers.

I'll hit Davao very soon to try my lucky with some Dia girls I contacted lately.

Can you give me some ad ice about a decent, cheap and of course gf hotel?

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]The Red Knight Gardens is a very reasonably priced hotel, and very nice. There's a pool, bar, decent restaurant, and it's clean. The only downside is that it's a bit out of the way, sort of near the airport. I heard that it's owned by an English man, and focused on western tastes. It's very GF.

The other option is My Hotel, which is right smack dab in the middle of the action, where you'll find freelancers, etc. , but it's very basic and worn down.

I personally like to spring for the Marco Polo, but I'm picky about luxury. However, if I were to want budget accomodations, I'd go with Red Knight Gardens. It may be a bit out of the way, but taxis are cheap in Davao.

RG.

Hi OTR,

All but possibly Apo View are gf.

There are many, ranging from under 10 USD per night to over 200 USD per night. Easiest way to get relevant advice is to state a budget and your requirements. Or just read back, because these basic questions are reoccurring more or less with a bi-monthly frequency.

Have fun and good luck. You might need it.

B

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;1607374]The other option is My Hotel, which is right smack dab in the middle of the action, where you'll find freelancers, etc. , but it's very basic and worn down.[/QUOTE]Hell man, you could stay in that short time dump right across the street from My Hotel for 650. It's very clean and pretty deluxe on Phil standards. (I was researching places for a guide book). You may even meet the gurl of your dreams right there in your stairway.

Thanks everyone, I decided to choose the Tune Hotel I'm familiar with from Manila, Cebu and other cities around Asia. Not so bad, at a good price if booked on Agoda.

BTW I just had my first DIA delusion. One of the most promising girls I had dinner with, very pretty but really shy.

I even was able to get her into the hotel room, but she became soon nervous before I even made my move, and she run out to home.

Wasted night.

to otr. i wouldn't consider getting her in your room a wasted night. how about hours wasted texting girls you never see again? davao young ladies are shy and very conservative for the most part. they can be playful and friendly, but to me they're allot more immature than their counterparts. barba wrote a brilliant piece on it. i don't know how to link to it so i'll just do it like this.

[quote=barba;1212022]funny you write about this now ge. i have had this theory for some time about different mental stages of (the philippino) people i have had the fortune to interact with. me and my friend (you know who) spent a great deal of time discussing this during our last visit to davao. it is not so politically correct to do research on, or even talk about, differences in physical development between various groups of humans and i have no clue or guess about nature versus nurture in this particular question, but would be highly interested in reference studies if anyone knows where to find it.

take it for what it is, partly joke and partly an initial observations of a pattern i seem to have noticed, but the three mental stages i believe to have observed i choose to call those of a child, an adolescent and an adult. what a surprise, isn't it? these definitions are separated from the physical development, and even if i hope that it is totally obvious i still want to state that we are talking about individuals of age 18 year or more. one can apply this to anyone in society, but it can be fruitful to think about chasing punani to understand the idea.

the adult.

adults are not that many, at least in davao. these individuals are responsive, responsible and realistic. you will feel like you could have been talking to this person anywhere in the world. most often these individuals will be a pleasant surprise for mongers that learned to expect little and be happy for the simplest of conversations while indulging in yet another carbohydrate bomb. being a realist with a certain amount of life experience, the adult will actively choose to oversee certain flaws in you, and let you please her in ways she needs to be pleased. sex will most often be slightly inhibited, but pleasurable and free from transactions, guilt and shallow qualifiers.

the adolescent.

the adolescent individual can make you feel young and alive, but she is unpredictable. most people i meet in the philippines, both in private and in the line of my work, belong to this group. qualifications, symbolism and a somewhat prideful ego are normally a part of the adolescent individuals world, but the effects of these are random. one could for example see a continuous flow of a rather predictable behavior or performance, only to be struck by what seems to be an unpredictable change or error. the same pattern goes for mood and changes in this. the adolescent individual will never question the group, no matter how irrational or stupid it behaves. this is likely the largest group of individuals in the adult part of the philippines, so you will meet them frequently in clubs, parks, eateries, etc. it can be a challenge to qualify if the girl is pretty and / or financially stable, but she is normally both material and vain, and will spread her legs for consumption. a standard answer, cunningly used to probe your intentions in any situation will be "it is up to you".

a key for me to understand these adolescent individuals is to think about the "as if-world". when used correctly this way of thinking will in fact be a very powerful tool. a simple practical example of an "as if" would be to meet the the adolescent individual for a ice cream on your way back from work. after a brief meeting you go home alone and pick up your andros, and then you meet her again. you have now erased the imaginative threshold that stipulates that there can be no sex on the first date. it is important for her image to follow rules like this, so we pretend as if we are observing protocol. another example is to answer a question by simply just asking another question in the returning text message. we pretend as if we answer, but we are in fact voiding all responsibility to answer the first question by asking a second.

the adolescent individual will normally always be looking for a (better) job and will normally never manage to answer to more than one question in any context. she will always have a somewhat plausible excuse for being late, but you will both know that she is just using a standard template excuse, pretending as if it was impossible for her to affect the parameters that caused her delay.

the child.

the child individual is lively, random and can be quite funny to hang out with, at least the first minutes. she makes errors that seems unsystematic at best. her ability to extrapolate and avoid similar errors are close to zero. she will reply to 90% of your questions with a "huh". her excuses for coming late are most often to absurd to even have an opinion about. her status is normally "in school" or "i don't know, oi". she will find it hilarious if you say "pagsureoi" and her immediate comment to seeing your wad of 1000 php bills will be "you are handsome". setting out for any form of intelligent conversation with this group of individuals is bound for disaster. sex is as dramatic as eating an egg and she will most often enjoy it in a natural and unpretentious way. after the act she will immediately start to brush her hair and she will say "look i am peeing" when she [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133][CodeWord133][/url] in the shower over barba's feet.

b.[/quote]

You're right, Sam. Maybe it was not a complete waste of time.

She start texting me today on how she had a good evening, and that she is sorry to be so shy and not talkative and so on. So maybe I double my mistakes and invited her again tonight.

I hope it was only the "no sex first night" policy.

BTW in the excellent Barba post, she must be an infant I guess, even if she is 23.

But she is hot. That make me weak. .

Hi all,

I will be in Davao for about 10 days mainly for a bit of research on Durian fruit trees and farm visiting, so am after a guide to show me around, can be male or female (Fe: preferred).

That can speak English, were would I find such a person, have tried the pina love sites but no success, all reply's to my request are ether from Manila, Cebu or some other distant Philippine place.

Or they want a relationship.

I just want someone to hang out with for company while I'm visiting this part of the world.

Any suggestions.

There will be payment for their time, but I don't advertise that.

By the way what would be a fair day rate for such a person.

Cheers

Hehe, fun to see that old piece here again, Sam.

OTR I think Sam is right here, saying this was well invested time. Unless you had a prior arrangement to trade money for physical interaction, her behavior is within expected protocol. If she is hot like you say, you could enjoy quality before quantity and cultivate your relation. We have this urge inside us to just collect pussies (and leave them behind us), but it is just a monger meme, fed by our genetic program to reproduce as much as possible. Sometimes we feel bad because we scored x pussies instead of why on a trip, but it is still just a monger meme of pussy greed.

I have learned to hard way that I can be just as happy to go to Isla Reta (boats at 10:00 and 11:00 from St Anna warf) with her and spend 2-3 days on the beach, in a little Asian love story. These are the moments and women we tend to remember ten or thirty years down the line. The quick fuck for 500 peso are not as distinct, at least not in my wank bank.

I would suggest you meet her today again for a few minutes, and think of her like the tender woman she is, when you give her some choices to make. She will understand that you passed the popcorn stage and want to go beyond holding hand in the movies, but she will also require something in return. As most of us understood, women are more or less always trade oriented, so put a trade of some sort on the table.

Some examples of trades (written from the female perspective) that I have on the table this very moment with various women on the globe, are;.

- I will upgrade from girlfriend to your sex slave if you finance a Sari Sari store in Calinan. Your friends can also use me.

- You can take my virginity if you are my boyfriend officially, because I knew you since age 18, I am 21 now and starting to look like a total looser.

- Take me to Isla Tortuga. I am bored and want to fuck and smoke herbs.

- Give me a phone. Mine broke and I have many student friends that will come and fuck you for 1000 PHP.

- Come and visit me in Cebu. I should have never left Davao and gone back to my family, because they are poor and boring. I want to taste the Barba life style again.

- I have a double degree in engineering from one of the best Universities in Europe, so I want us to pretend that the money you hand me for being your gf is for some lame ass work you want me to do.

Well you see the pattern. Like this it goes on. At least 20-30 active girls at any given moment who have some sort of transaction that they are massaging me to buy. Ranging from apartments, visa, passport, freinds money, car, travels, etc, to the more modest requests like a school book or just a birthday cake. Nothing new about this for most of us here, after all we are on ISG, but it is still a valuable observation to remind myself about sometimes, also when it comes to "good girls". I do not know how many times I have seen myself or another man walk up to a woman and say "Hi there, how are you doing", just to see her replying "what do you want". While she most often is absolutely correct in her assumption about the man wanting something, it is also enlightening to observe how she immediately jumps to the agreement of the transaction. Forget the "trying to be nice and feel each other out"-act, and just either scare him away or see if he has the balls to offer any transaction of value. "My pussy for what! It might shape a man a cynical mind to always dwell on this, but as soon as a man is stuck in the poonani process, I suggest to focus on some transaction with the babe and all will start to move forward again. "What do you want, and what will I need to give in return. " Nail that bit in a contextually and politically correct way, and it will all be a smooth ride from there.

A healthy approach is to assume that all humans wants to smile and be entertained, so it is always a safe card to assume that the path to the panties goes via a smile. Smile and death to boardinghouse boredom, traded for dive into damp teen panties. Good transaction.

I always want to go to the beach for an hour or two at some point of a visit to Davao, and why not combine and bring some entertainment into some shy little angels life. To this kind of occasion she can always bring a friend. This increases her joy and status, and since she brought a socializing surface, I do not have to pretend like we have anything to talk about. In addition her friends might be hotter than her.

Very rarely you will get a "good girl" into bed after the beach (we are talking initial dates now), since she has been away from mum for the day already, so schedule "a business meeting" for the evening and then fuck the beach angel the next day. And then her friends the following days because you "really fell for the friend on the beach and you can not dictate love". This way you can have all the cookies in the store. Just refer to some external power and how helpless you are in light of this, and all is forgiven. Even f your girlfriend has to suck the love juice from her best friends vagina (it happened), from your cock, it will all be forgiven if the power of love (awfully close to God, right) was at hand.

As many said before, Davao is not a point and shoot place, but rather a place where men and women often cultivate relations in the good old ways. So an hour or two with a girl is always a good investment for anyone with an attention span that reaches beyond Pattaya or Angeles bar hopping.

A lot of words. Take it for what it is. Peace and have fun!

Barba.

Barba, you are 100% right.

But the problem, in my case, is about time. I'm not a resident here, I'm here for just a few days so I should maximize the return rate.

I do agree with you that one single fuck with a girl like her can worth much more than several quickies with some bored SWs, but getting nothing in few days is nothing compared with something.

Tonight was worst than yesterday.

She told me she do not drink, she never exit at evening, so after a nice dinner, I offered her to walk in the center, but it was going to rain, or to go to Cinema, or to come my room because my hotel has TV with movie channels.

She asked me what I preferred, and of course I said the hotel room. With my surprise she accepted very easy.

She was in my room for two hours, but fixed on some pinoy telenovelas.

After one hour I started any move I knew, with no results. Then she ran away like the day before.

As soon as she arrived home she start texting me being sorry, but she is very conservative person but she is so sorry and she hope I can forgive her and so on.

Well, if I had some weeks available, this was a very very nice challenge for me.

But having only some few days, she is just a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Barba;1607996]Very rarely you will get a "good girl" into bed after the beach (we are talking initial dates now), since she has been away from mum for the day already, so schedule "a business meeting" for the evening and then fuck the beach angel the next day. And then her friends the following days because you "really fell for the friend on the beach and you can not dictate love". This way you can have all the cookies in the store. Just refer to some external power and how helpless you are in light of this, and all is forgiven. Even f your girlfriend has to suck the love juice from her best friends vagina (it happened), from your cock, it will all be forgiven if the power of love (awfully close to God, right) was at hand.[/QUOTE]Wao man, that's some powerful stuff. I feel like I just became enlightened by a spiritual punani leader, thanks again. I just want to add one thing. One of the toughest coconuts I cracked was one I apparently met walking some street somewhere. I had her name in my phone listed as "Some Chick That Stood Me Up 3 Times". She was just too damn freaked out to meet and she even admitted to watching me sit there like a jerk. I reluctantly agreed to let myself be suckered again, but by then had I learned to not go out of my way. Just have her come to somewhere I'm going to be anyway. Anyhow, I didn't even remember who she was or what she looked like. Well, she shows up with her sister. Holy shit, they're hot! She's a bit chubby but has this gorgeous face and long black hair. She's super short, 18, big beautiful boobs and her (half) sis is 19. Older sis is beautiful too, but darker and has a 38 kilogram frame like a Bangkok stripper, and perfect Little A cup boobs. We sit down for a snack and the young one was quiet and the other was the joker. I got to touching both their hands and was saying I like you both. Well to keep it short, it was too weird evidently to have them both together, but I'd point my computer table away from the bed while one would play Face Book, sing, and play stupid music. It would always be the young one first, then big sis next. We had fun like that for months then finally the hot 19 year old cousin came on the scene.

So OTR, hope that helps, welcome to Davao.

Lovely story, Sam! LOL. Great reading. Crazy things happens in Davao. I am glad I am going back soon. This time we make sure to meet up, ok? First beer is on me. There is a good place basically just about where Rizal meets Pelayo. Cold beers from all over the world, and most often free tables. They also have juice if you prefer this.

OTR, I hear you. I do not live there either but visit regularly since many years. Why did you wait one hour? I would not wait one minute. Without knowing you, I am struck that this might be a case of "western man"-syndrome. Too much questions and too little command. It is more subtle in Davao than say Kiev, but the need for the man to take command is just as prevalent. Whatever room you are giving them to play good wife material, they will take. She will be fucking mother Mary if you let her have the room to play the role, but there is most often a more pragmatic side to these ladies. I would waste one more long text on her and then move on if it fails.

Text her and say something like "Hello X. I really like you. I am leaving in why days and I want to make love with you before I leave. We can have something more than just casual friendship, and you know this. But only if you are mature enough for it? I am an adult man, and I will only entertain an adult relationship. Are you ready for this? Or you wanted me to come to Davao just so you could play games? Let us meet <I insert free slot in calendar< I in the lobby of my hotel. Please do not be late. I really hate to wait for people who are late, and I have meetings in the evening. If you are more then 15 minutes late, I will leave. Looking forward to see you. Love."

Note the hard love, border-lining to what many would consider a sociopath personality that shifts between tender words and whip. Like a poodle that does not bark before it bites. It works. Take command.

The said meetings are the standard ones that you always have, every evening. The ones you later will cancel by telepathic powers laying in bed with her arms around you, if you like the girl and want to score some additional points & pussy.

B

[QUOTE=Barba;1608166]Lovely story, Sam! LOL. Great reading. Crazy things happens in Davao. I am glad I am going back soon. This time we make sure to meet up, ok? First beer is on me. There is a good place basically just about where Rizal meets Pelayo. Cold beers from all over the world, and most often free tables. They also have juice if you prefer this.

OTR, I hear you. I do not live there either but visit regularly since many years. Why did you wait one hour? I would not wait one minute. Without knowing you, I am struck that this might be a case of "western man"-syndrome. Too much questions and too little command. It is more subtle in Davao than say Kiev, but the need for the man to take command is just as prevalent. Whatever room you are giving them to play good wife material, they will take. She will be fucking mother Mary if you let her have the room to play the role, but there is most often a more pragmatic side to these ladies. I would waste one more long text on her and then move on if it fails.

Text her and say something like "Hello X. I really like you. I am leaving in why days and I want to make love with you before I leave. We can have something more than just casual friendship, and you know this. But only if you are mature enough for it? I am an adult man, and I will only entertain an adult relationship. Are you ready for this? Or you wanted me to come to Davao just so you could play games? Let us meet <I insert free slot in calendar< I in the lobby of my hotel. Please do not be late. I really hate to wait for people who are late, and I have meetings in the evening. If you are more then 15 minutes late, I will leave. Looking forward to see you. Love."

Note the hard love, border-lining to what many would consider a sociopath personality that shifts between tender words and whip. Like a poodle that does not bark before it bites. It works. Take command.

The said meetings are the standard ones that you always have, every evening. The ones you later will cancel by telepathic powers laying in bed with her arms around you, if you like the girl and want to score some additional points & pussy.

B[/QUOTE]My friend Barba may be the only erotica mystic I know, having developed an entire metaphysics based on libidinous abstraction. I stand in awe. I agree in general, with Barba's earlier classifications of people--and I think it's all people here, not merely women--though I probably would have labeled the categories differently, as I think there's a strong correlation between intellectual and personality development and social class:

1. The thoroughly professional, highly intelligent (and smallest) genus. Filipinos in this category are almost intellectually indistinguishable from Westerners. They're well educated, usually have at least two degrees, and typically, though not always, were educated at Ateneo de Manila or UP Diliman. They tend to come from thouroughly upper middle class to rich families, and would not be caught dead in the usual pick-up places. Some members of the genus are well traveled, most are well read, and my gross estimate is they constitute somewhere between 5-10% of the population, amd are heavily concentrated in the Makati, Ft Bomifacio / Taguig areas of Metro Manila. Your odds on meeting them without an intermediary introduction are negligible. In terms of the social classifications used by the Government of the Philippines, most members of this genus come from Class A or be families.

2. The college educated, bright but less cultured and sophisticated genus, comprising about 25% of the population. Members of this genus have typically completed at least four years at at least mediocre institutions, have acquired (but were not born to) some sophistication, but are neither as well read, fully formed or polished as the members of the class to which I've referred above. Members of this class are more aspirational and thus more available than those above, amd may indeed be approached in some of the more upscale venues. The geographic dispersion of this class is much broader than category 1, and its members may be found throughout the larger cities such as Davao and Cebu, though rarely in the rural provincial areas. More than their sisters in the first category, members of this class may view foreigners as a rung up on their ladders of aspiration and may thus be more approachable. Many members of this genus come from Class see families, though the lower rungs of Class be may also be represented.

3. The scratchers, who may not have completed high school, likely didn't complete university and almost invariably come from less well to do families. Members of this class are well known to the average foreigner, who are perceived by class members often as poverty alleviation mechanisms. As foreigners are perceived by women of this class as instruments of improved material existence, women within this class will often venture to sites most frequented by foreingers--discos, pick-up bars, Internet cafés, less expensive restaurants, etc. Given the lack of economic and educational opportunities endemic to this class, intellects are barely developed, meaningful conversation is difficult and the range of adaptive behavior is narrow, hence the frequent "huh?" responses to the multiple questions and statements, often uttered by foreigners, that these ladies simply don't understand.

Naturally, these generalizations are broad strokes, and there are of course exceptions. I'm guessing that most casual visitors to this country encounter, for the most part, members of the third class, as the degree of difficulty in meeting / bedding women increases as one climbs the genre ladder.

GE.

[QUOTE=Barba;1608166]
OTR, I hear you. I do not live there either but visit regularly since many years. Why did you wait one hour? I would not wait one minute. Without knowing you, I am struck that this might be a case of "western man"-syndrome. Too much questions and too little command. It is more subtle in Davao than say Kiev, but the need for the man to take command is just as prevalent. Whatever room you are giving them to play good wife material, they will take. She will be fucking mother Mary if you let her have the room to play the role, but there is most often a more pragmatic side to these ladies. I would waste one more long text on her and then move on if it fails.

Text her and say something like "Hello X. I really like you. I am leaving in why days and I want to make love with you before I leave. We can have something more than just casual friendship, and you know this. But only if you are mature enough for it? I am an adult man, and I will only entertain an adult relationship. Are you ready for this? Or you wanted me to come to Davao just so you could play games? Let us meet <I insert free slot in calendar< I in the lobby of my hotel. Please do not be late. I really hate to wait for people who are late, and I have meetings in the evening. If you are more then 15 minutes late, I will leave. Looking forward to see you. Love."

Note the hard love, border-lining to what many would consider a sociopath personality that shifts between tender words and whip. Like a poodle that does not bark before it bites. It works. Take command.

The said meetings are the standard ones that you always have, every evening. The ones you later will cancel by telepathic powers laying in bed with her arms around you, if you like the girl and want to score some additional points & pussy.

B[/QUOTE]Good advice, Barba. Thanks again.

Although this is not my usual style, I will try to use it, let's see what happens.

At least she will stop sending text every hour asking where am I and what am I doing.

"I'm sorry.

But I want you you to know, that I'm not yet ready for that matter.

I'm happy to meet someone like you, I'm happy to have friend like you, I treasure it.

Problem solved.

Funny last two days, thanks to Sam14 really great help.

After the DIA girl continue texting me, asking for a "remembrance", and my backup DIA contact stopped answering my text for the day (just texting me again the next day), I switched to the p4 p scene.

He gave me his pimp contact, one funny and crazy woman, and introduced me to her.

I texted her and meet her and her sister, and after some waiting one girl, Jaycel, showed up. Not a supermodel, but pretty enough for the deal. The only problem was that she looked very young and she was with no I'd with her, and even if she said to be 21 I wanted to play safe.

So she went back home to get I'd, and she really was 19.

I gave the pimp 1500 for the girl (but she take commission.) and 200 for her, as Sam suggested me, and I didn't try to bargain.

We had a good session, even if the "up to 8 am" soon became "I must go home" after a couple of hours.

The best part was that, going away, she told me "would you like to meet my superhot 18 yo friend tomorrow?" Yes, of course! So we switched our numbers.

Next day we text and we manage to meet at my hotel at 7 pm. They show up both and, OMG, her friend Michelle (not real name) was really superhot!

As the night before, Michelle told me "sorry I don't have permission from my parents to sleep here, but if you want we can have a threesome!

It was just for an hour, but what an hour!

I give them 1000 php each plus some taxi money.

The funny thing was that after that I went eating to Ayala and after some minutes Jaycel come in the same restaurant with some friends, maybe with her boyfriend. We were one in front of the other, and looked so worried and trying to avoid eye contact. But I'm a gentleman and even if we had a threesome just one hour before, I ignored them.

Thanks again to Sam14 this could happen!

Now I am just arrived in Cdo looking for some similar adventure.

I love this country!

[QUOTE=OnTheRoad;1608984]Funny last two days, thanks to Sam14 really great help.

After the DIA girl continue texting me, asking for a "remembrance", and my backup DIA contact stopped answering my text for the day (just texting me again the next day), I switched to the p4 p scene.

[b]SNIP[/b] [/QUOTE]OTR,

Just FYI, posting names of filipinas you met in Davao on this forum is not a good idea.

Davao might seem like a large enough city, and it is in many respects, but locals read this forum and the bamboo telephone is alive and well. Gossip (chismis) is the national sport in many places and the mention of a name on a sex website might be enough for someone to put 2 + 2 together.

Take the advice and refrain from posting names, for her security and for yours. I'm just saying, play safe mate.

If you feel the need to include names, use something like 'Miss M' or 'DIA babe #3'.

Davao in particular and Mindanao generally is the one place where you do not want to intentionally "out" the ladies you spent time with or the fact you were / are in town on a monger mission.

Just a heads up.

[QUOTE=StrokerAce88;1609030]OTR,

Just FYI, posting names of filipinas you met in Davao on this forum is not a good idea.

Davao might seem like a large enough city, and it is in many respects, but locals read this forum and the bamboo telephone is alive and well. Gossip (chismis) is the national sport in many places and the mention of a name on a sex website might be enough for someone to put 2 + 2 together.

Take the advice and refrain from posting names, for her security and for yours. I'm just saying, play safe mate.

If you feel the need to include names, use something like 'Miss M' or 'DIA babe #3'.

Davao in particular and Mindanao generally is the one place where you do not want to intentionally "out" the ladies you spent time with or the fact you were / are in town on a monger mission.

Just a heads up.[/QUOTE]Maybe you're right, I just reported my own post asking to censure names.

I just thought that on a so big city only a name can't be so identifying, but I think it can be my mistake.

I hope admin can censure it soon, don't want to cause the girl any trouble.

[quote=ontheroad;1609032]maybe you're right, i just reported my own post asking to censure names.

i just thought that on a so big city only a name can't be so identifying, but i think it can be my mistake.

i hope admin can censure it soon, don't want to cause the girl any trouble.[/quote]otr,

well the real trouble would be yours if someone put things together and confronted her with the fact she was paid 1 k for a threesome with her classmate. she would switch things around by saying she was forced, tricked or raped by you to save face to not look like a gro. davao is pretty conservative.

the senior members that frequent / live in the philippines often use the 'miss m' thing, change dates and places and blur faces and any identifying items in posted pics.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1608241] I probably would have labeled the categories differently, as I think there's a strong correlation between intellectual and personality development and social class [/QUOTE]Spot on GE. This is the adult version of my little observation. But I think that my categorization in some respects also spans over the socioeconomic groups of this lovely collection of dots on the edge of the Pacific. I have dated at least one girl from group 1 that was in her early twenties, but acted like a vain fifteen year old brat. Totally hopeless with most things, and very romantic in that silly girly pink Philippina way. (But that maybe puts her in class 2, even if she was from a rich family and had read a book outside school?) In any case, she later married a German with a lot of property. Last time we communicated she was unhappy with it all and wanted to go back playing teenager.

Nowadays I stick to group 2 (or girls rapidly heading for 2) for girlfriend material, and more or less always to g3 for "occasional daytime entertainment". Occasional daytime entertainment does not involve much talking nowadays.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1608241]My friend Barba may be the only erotica mystic I know, having developed an entire metaphysics based on libidinous abstraction.[/QUOTE]And in some weeks the research continues. Hope you are around by then, my friend.

B

[QUOTE=Sam14;1607751]To OTR. I wouldn't consider getting her in your room a wasted night. How about hours wasted texting girls you never see again? Davao young ladies are shy and very conservative for the most part. They can be playful and friendly, but to me they're allot more immature than their counterparts. Barba wrote a brilliant piece on it. I don't know how to link to it so I'll just do it like this.[/QUOTE]I remember reading this post by Barba three years ago, and I have thought about it every time I try to grok Philippine psychology since then. Which is often. And it never fails to illuminate. Also a post by GE, in which he points out how basically the entire populace is arrested at an adolescent level of mental, emotional and social development. For their entire lives. That one struck me like a lightning bolt. If you think about it, literally like 99% of the shit you witness here becomes clear.

I've never been to Davao, but I love this forum because these guys, and others like Redkilt, have so much useful shit to say about how things really are in the PH. Unlike other destinations, where the culture is so obviously alien that one [I]expects[/I] things to be different, the Philippines presents a slippery slope, where almost everything is close enough to western on the surface that it's constantly a shock to discover what an unmitigated fuckmuddle you've actually stepped into.

Anyway, thanks guys, for the continually entertaining, and above all useful, posts that I find here in Davao.

Thanks Roll Aides for the kind words. I'm glad you find my halting attempt to understand this culture somewhat helpful. I has a discussion yesterday with a friend, and we focused on the same general topic. We agreed that the mistake made by many Westerners is to make the assumption that since many Filipinos speak English, and since this is a nominally Catholic country, that it resembles the West. The truth is however that the "Westernization" is a very thin patina, and that this place is just as culturally opaque as its neighbors.

GE.

[QUOTE=RubioTonto;1638282]And don't forget the hundreds of thousands of very young girls in the PI who have lost their virginity to a father, uncle, older cousin, or older half-brother before they reached puberty. SNIP [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amavida;1638222] SNIP> Most province girls have already been got at by local pinoys from the age of 15. Have a look around at how many 18 year olds are lugging a 2 or 3 year old around. <SNIP [/QUOTE]We may be in the same country, but it seems we may be in different worlds. Without counting, I'd guess in my phone list I have 20-30 girls of the age 18-20 that are virgins still and never even had a real kiss.

I can't speak to whether they been shagged by their family or not, but you see all these young college students and they're just so innocent and fragile. They're 18 up already, but they have the mental development of a 10 year old. They're falling all over each other, they're high five'n each other every five seconds, they fall over in hysterical laughter because someone dropped their pencil.

I was trying to think of how many college students I've actually turned out on my own, and I don't run out of fingers, not even on one hand. It's easy enough with a little help to get some to play, but they're the few that have grown up quicker, and usually not of the top shelf variety. (Thanks to my friend for the FB contacts, haven't gotten into that yet) But seems most of the younger hot stuff are NBSB. (No BF Since Birth).

Even in their early 20's you get allot of that. I've met so many that still won't get involved in any kind of relationship. "I have to focus on my studies" or "focus on my work." Hell, I met one when I was doing my unemployment office scam. She told me "I have to focus on my family" I just laughed and said, you're 22 Sweetheart. At what point in your life do you focus on yourself?

Furthermore, even after being popped, they can go indefinitely without penis. I got two I'm working on that haven't had it in 3 years. I got one that hasn't had it in a year, at the age of 26!. She's ready, I had my face in her pussy already, but I didn't sock it to her because I don't want to hurt her, she's going to want a commitment. And my favorite one from Davao (not pictured) hasn't had it since I left over 6 months ago. I believe it too, because when we got together again she was tight as a young boy's ass. The more she'd moan and groan in my ear, the bigger my dick got, so the tighter the pussy got, so the more she'd moan and groan!

Luckily it's a big enough place, so with a little effort there's enough willing participants. And the mayor is keeping the place clean, he's got my vote.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1640427]We may be in the same country, but it seems we may be in different worlds. Without counting, I'd guess in my phone list I have 20-30 girls of the age 18-20 that are virgins still and never even had a real kiss.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you Sam those two statements were wildly off the mark from Amavida and Rubio. The fact that there were so many 18 to 23 yo virgins in the Phils is what surprised me when I first started going over there. Maybe its because I visited a half a dozen provinces before ever finding Angeles city. What provinces have you visited Amavida? I would put the percentage of 18 yo virgins much there than here in the USA or most western countries. Sam is correct about the never been touched remark. Its not like when we were teens with 1st base 2nd base progression. Over there when the guy gets the girl alone and she gets him started he's not going to stop and she's going to submit. Foreplay isn't these boys forte. I'd say in the provinces that more 18 yo girls are virgin than not. Its not like that in the west.

The reason you see the babies is that birth control or abortion are so rare. Amavida if the local high school anywhere in the western world had the contraceptive and abortion attitudes of province pinays, the majority of the seniors would be lugging a toddler. You must be from a very strict society. Like a Muslim country? Compared to Cambodians maybe province pinays are promiscuous but not from the home countries of all English speaking Phils mongers.

As to the rates of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url], just from my experience with Pinays, I don't think in the Phils its at all more or less common than anywhere else on earth and throughout human history for that matter. What makes you think its so much more common in the Phils Rubio? Sure they all sleep in the same bed but that suppresses not increases sexual activity.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1640501]I have to agree with you Sam those two statements were wildly off the mark from Amavida and Rubio. [/QUOTE]Thanks for your remarks. But I didn't mean to insinuate their comments were off mark, I wouldn't know. I was just commenting on what I find in Davao, and Mindanao in general. I transferred their posts from the AC thread. The time I spent on Luzon Island, I saw a big difference in attitude and maturity, playfulness, economic status. An American expat in La Union I ran into used the analogy comparing Mindanao to Luzon like comparing New Yorkers to Californians. I thought that was kinda interesting. BTW, isn't pantot the Indonesian word for butt? Maybe I'll PM you about that place, I may want to go have another look.

I messed up the order. I meant to say he used the analogy comparing Mindanao to Luzon like comparing Californians to New Yorkers. Meaning in Luzon, the people seem a bit more to themselves, less interested in our business.

I think there's not really a conflict here. The case, in my perception, has been this: There are basically two types of girl in the Philippines - they will, and they won't.

Now that may seem like an oversimplification, but what I am trying to say is that both views are valid. I have experienced this. You get your abstinent types, and you get your early pregnancy types. How any human can get along willingly without sex for many years at a time is beyond my mortal comprehension, but I hypothesize that it's the constant bombardment by family, church and school (also church) that they need to ignore boys and / or save themselves for marriage, that produces a mentality devoid of effective inter-gender yearnings. A sufficient amount of cultural conditioning has the capability to crush human instincts. Sadly.

For those that don't conform, or who aren't inculcated so severely, the almost inevitable outcome is a baby on the hip by the late teens, as contraception is poorly thought of here and indeed perhaps more to the point actually unknown amongst the types that are susceptible to taking a dick because they want to. This perhaps might not apply to the highest class of modern educated Pinay who can do both, like a westerner, but for the endless majority in the provinces et al it is almost a certainty. Hence the varying observations. Shopping in different markets, indeed. But not in different worlds per se. Just in one particularly shitbrained world.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1640882]I hypothesize that it's the constant bombardment by family, church and school (also church) that they need to ignore boys and / or save themselves for marriage, that produces a mentality devoid of effective inter-gender yearnings. A sufficient amount of cultural conditioning has the capability to crush human instincts. Sadly.[/QUOTE]I think there is much to that. The group's opinion of a girl is very important to her. For those who live in smaller communities there's always in one's mind one is being observed and gossiped about constantly. I think this holds true even for the big city. A fubu who I met on CL expressed it this way: "Manila is really a small town. " Though it's 12 million+ inhabitants, people inhabit tight social circles. Hooking up with a foreigner is "safer" when she avoids the places where her social groups gather. For girls who move away and taste freedom the external regulators are gone, and for some perhaps the internal inhibitors aren't well developed. Then she post photos on wastebook of herself wearing a bikini and someone informs her mother. Oh the scandal!

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1611544]Thanks Roll Aides for the kind words. I'm glad you find my halting attempt to understand this culture somewhat helpful. I has a discussion yesterday with a friend, and we focused on the same general topic. We agreed that the mistake made by many Westerners is to make the assumption that since many Filipinos speak English, and since this is a nominally Catholic country, that it resembles the West. The truth is however that the "Westernization" is a very thin patina, and that this place is just as culturally opaque as its neighbors.

GE.[/QUOTE]When I worked in Manila, I had to fire / release / let go a good few Europeans and Americans, who got themselves into big trouble on the job. Invariably, their excuse reasoning was, " hey, they spoke English, they looked at me directly, they liked the same songs I liked, they acted the same as me ". They just hadn't realised that speaking English and acting Western, wasnt necessarily the same as being Western. Far from it indeed.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1640980]When I worked in Manila, I had to fire / release / let go a good few Europeans and Americans, who got themselves into big trouble on the job. Invariably, their excuse reasoning was, " hey, they spoke English, they looked at me directly, they liked the same songs I liked, they acted the same as me ". They just hadn't realized that speaking English and acting Western, wasn't necessarily the same as being Western. Far from it indeed.[/QUOTE]


I think the key thing here is "acted. " The longer you are here, the more you realize that EVERYTHING a Pinay does is an act. It's pretty much the core of their culture.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1640888]I think there is much to that. The group's opinion of a girl is very important to her. For those who live in smaller communities there's always in one's mind one is being observed and gossiped about constantly. I think this holds true even for the big city. A fubu who I met on CL expressed it this way: "Manila is really a small town. " Though it's 12 million+ inhabitants, people inhabit tight social circles. Hooking up with a foreigner is "safer" when she avoids the places where her social groups gather. For girls who move away and taste freedom the external regulators are gone, and for some perhaps the internal inhibitors aren't well developed. Then she post photos on wastebook of herself wearing a bikini and someone informs her mother. Oh the scandal![/QUOTE]Nice observation Hut. One more good reason to meet girls off their home turf.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1641055]I think the key thing here is "acted. " The longer you are here, the more you realize that EVERYTHING a Pinay does is an act. It's pretty much the core of their culture.[/QUOTE]It's quite easy I think, to fall into the trap of concluding that because Filipinos speak at least some English, because they're largely Christian and of course, because they play basketball, the country is a sort of slightly out of focus version of the West. But as many of us know, these characteristics, to say nothing of a fervid but flawed imitation of Western culture are but a microns thin patina, and the truth is that this country is as culturally opaque and inaccessible as Thai or Vietnamese culture. Some never achieve this epiphany, while others realize it fairly quickly.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1641133]It's quite easy I think, to fall into the trap of concluding that because Filipinos speak at least some English, because they're largely Christian and of course, because they play basketball, the country is a sort of slightly out of focus version of the West. But as many of us know, these characteristics, to say nothing of a fervid but flawed imitation of Western culture are but a microns thin patina, and the truth is that this country is as culturally opaque and inaccessible as Thai or Vietnamese culture. Some never achieve this epiphany, while others realize it fairly quickly.

GE.[/QUOTE]I found Thais pretty straightforward. I mean, their culture is incredibly alien to a westerner, but it's not attempting to hide that at all. Although totally different, it has its own internal logic, to at least the degree that any western civilization does. It's been around for about 4000 years. It works for them. It might not be what we grew up with, but it's a culture and if anything there are actually [I]fewer[/I] internal inconsistencies, after all is said and done, than in ours. In fact, from what I've observed, their worst problems come from trying to adopt western attitudes and political systems, like foul weeds sprouting in a once-lovely garden. Or perhaps more accurately, like any non-native life form transplanted into a foreign ecology, there is a danger of it ruining the ecosystem that it is not adapted for nor the system to it. But I digress. . .

The realization you refer to took me almost three years, and it's still dawning on me. At this point, I'm trying to shine a light on what actually are the defining characteristics of the Filipino mindset. That is to say, what is under the patina. I don't believe it's actually that opaque, it's just really hard to get to because of the, as you say, fervid portrayal of what is going on on the surface. But once you learn to put those glasses on, it can be seen through pretty easily. I admit that I have limited incentive because it's not particularly pretty. But, one of the things that is for certain a national characteristic is the proclivity to pretend. It's the land of make-believe. Or as Barba put it, "as if". That's [I]why[/I] it's so hard to come to the realization that it's a truly foreign culture. Sort of like you are trying to classify alien lifeforms, and you come across a mimic, a metamorph. What is it? It's whatever it pretends to be. It can be hard to get to what's underneath.

As for what [I]is[/I] underneath, the only other definite properties that I have detected so far, are a tendency to thievishness, a complete disregard for any sort of moral truth, except as pretended to, and a hard-to-describe but very specific flavor of tribal me-first, me-last, me-deserve-anything mentality that I have yet to put a name to. Perhaps there is not an English name for this, although the results of it are sometimes described by Pinoys themselves as a "crab mentality. " That doesn't quite get to the core of it though, it's more like an outcome. An overly emotional nature that includes in the female populace a degree of clinginess that has to be experienced to be believed. Poor impulse control. Love of cliches and commercial memes. As we've discussed before, a mental and developmental arrestation at the age of approximately a highschool sophomore. Not for all, but that's where the middle of the bell curve is, and there's a very small standard deviation. The list goes on.

As I said, I've found that I have little motivation to investigate further, given the subject matter. At this point, I'm pretty much satisfied to leave it at the old line, "how do you know an X is lying? Because their lips are moving. " You can get on the ground with that assumption and be almost 100% prepared for anything that will happen here. That and keep your wallet in a pocket that buttons, and keep anything you value in a safe. There's a reason every nice house here has a high wall around it, and every convenience store has a guy outside with a shotgun. Don't ignore the clues. That wasn't directed at you GE, I know you know how to live here, and thank you again to you and all the other guys on the forum who have taught me how to see through the shit.

I was lost for a while thinking this thread was for sex. Now I see it serves as a thread for some foreigners to mentally circle jerk off.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1641239]I was lost for a while thinking this thread was for sex. Now I see it serves as a thread for some foreigners to mentally circle jerk off.[/QUOTE]Sorry my analysis didn't please you, Dg8787. One of the things that I value about the out-of-the-way Davao subforum. Is that sometimes topics are discussed that do not directly relate to sex. I realize that is not for everyone here, but then again you have a quite a huge variety of posts to choose from. Perhaps you could visit the photo thread for example, Westcoast has some nice new pics up as usual. But thank you for participating, you have definitely shed some unexpected illumination on this subject. Way to go!

[QUOTE=RollAides;1641242]Sorry my analysis didn't please you, Dg8787. One of the things that I value about the out-of-the-way Davao subforum. Is that sometimes topics are discussed that do not directly relate to sex. I realize that is not for everyone here, but then again you have a quite a huge variety of posts to choose from. Perhaps you could visit the photo thread for example, Westcoast has some nice new pics up as usual. But thank you for participating, you have definitely shed some unexpected illumination on this subject. Way to go![/QUOTE]To tell the truth I find the posts that foreigners comparing the Philippines and / or Filippinos to their first world country with some superiority quite offensive. Why are you using your country as the benchmark? It seems like after one poster post then the others want to show how brilliant they each are with their posts. I am waiting for someone to start using graphs and pie charts. One big mental circle jerk off. We all have a very limited experience and encounters with ALL the Filipino people. Certainly not enough to form absolute oppinions.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1641247]To tell the truth I find the posts that foreigners comparing the Philippines and / or Filippinos to their first world country with some superiority quite offensive. Why are you using your country as the benchmark? It seems like after one poster post then the others want to show how brilliant they each are with their posts. I am waiting for someone to start using graphs and pie charts. One big mental circle jerk off. We all have a very limited experience and encounters with ALL the Filipino people. Certainly not enough to form absolute oppinions.[/QUOTE]Actually if you will read a bit more carefully, I think that you easily see 1) that, if anything, I was comparing the Philippines with Thailand, another newly industrialized county; 2) that my observations are mostly made from an absolute perspective (easy to form if you use logic and facts as a criteria rather than opinions and emotions,) not really with regard to anything else; and 3) that, if anything, I regard American culture, my home country by the way, as by far a detriment to most of the other cultures that it comes in contact with, rather than as an ideal against which to hold or compare other parts of the world. But again, thanks for playing, you have added a truly unique perspective, although I will omit to investigate it, for reasons precisely similar to those mentioned below.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1641247. We all have a very limited experience and encounters with ALL the Filipino people. Certainly not enough to form absolute oppinions. / QUOTE.

We all have opinions that we have formed based on one day, one week, one month, one year or 30 plus years on and in country. Where's the problem in sharing those opinions.

The only way one would have an absolute opinion would be to be Filipino, and as you might know, a Filipino from Luzon may have an absolutely different absolute opinion from a Filipino in Mindanao.

By sharing we all learn that we sometimes have similar or differing opinions about the country and the fine people who live there.

Its an interesting board, made more interesting by such discussions, and yes, occasionally the subject matter veers off tangent, but it invariably returns to sex.

Sit back, relax and ignore the parts of the discuss and the diverse opinions to which you can't relate.

I do not see why talking about understanding something is racist or being judgmental. I am from the US. I can tell you I wonder why 2195 people were killed in Chicago in 2013 alone. Just as many lining up for 2014. I wonder why it is mostly blacks shooting blacks. I wonder why my president was a senator from there and a community organizer from there but has not had 1 public idea on how to address this issue. I wonder what the world thinks about this. It is like Bagdad on a daily basses. And I watch TV and check the internet and look for answers.

My niece told me and she is in Cebu that at school they taught her 1/2 Philippine's is Bi-polar. That is what they told her in physch. Class. Being married to a pinay, Divorced from a pinay. Having 3 kids who are 1/2 pinay. And dealing with family counceling and other family issues here and looking for answers on my X and current wifes. I am glad people here talk about this stuff. The Bi-;or has something to do with bonding between conception and 3 years old. So many women in RP have babys and send them home. They get passed around and never get the firm bonding exp. Needed In those years. It was studied with all the orphans from Romania. I am an electrician so am not an expert. But can see some truths in this.

I started mongering at 12 years old. Got married and was faithfull for 5 years. Lost our 3rd baby and spent 7 more years watching it all end. I am 59 and married to a 22 year old. She knows all my past. She tells me when the family hussle is coming. She knows it is 50/50 I would get knocked off by her family if I lived there. Why because she would get stuff and they would take it. She was born in Gen. Santos and grew up in Carcar. I do not think her telling me these things makes her a uncle Tom as we say here. I think it is her caring enough about us to tell me the truth.

I still come to this board because it is full of men like me trying to figure life out. And I share a lot of the same past as they. I am glad all share even the ones I do not agree with. As I do learn new things daily.

[QUOTE=RubioTonto;1647368] <SNIP> back in 2005, and traveled to Davao to meet her. <SNIP> she didn't have a swimsuit, so we stopped at Gaisano Mall to buy one for her. We were in the department store there, and she took three swimsuits into the dressing rooms to try on. In the 5-10 minutes she was in there, three cute dept store employees approached me and asked if she was my GF. I said no, we just met in person, she has been my penpal. All three girls then gave me their cp numbers. I love the Philippines! LOL[/QUOTE]Ya, love that!! How blessed we are to be young and gwapo!

Haha, whatever. . More towards reality. (Not at you RT). There was a time when hitting up sales ladies was my number one occupation. But nowadays I feel more like a kid in a candy store, but the cheap Cloud 9's on the lower shelf is all I can reach. I still love flirting with them, but not so much as a poon getting strategy anymore. It's easy pickin on them because they're sitting targets. It's great for the ego at first, and it's fun because they're cute and playful. Sometimes I get em going with "I'm searching for something brown." It's funny watching them offer up all the "available" ones, clear across other departments sometimes.

But the sobering reality of it is, when it comes right down to it, few actually want to be the available one. Now I think of it like this. Getting them to text you is about like getting them to add you on Wastebook. (Thanks Hut). No risk there, they love texting anyway. So you're allot more likely to get a million group messages and time-to-eat reminders than you are to get your two pops in on her next rest day.

I've rooted three that I can think of, and the bodies didn't look like the mannequins. One happened when her contract expired and wanted to barrow money. And the other 2 were just horny. Obviously if you search in the older and chubbier department, your odds improve. I got stopped by two sales ladies in the hallway outside the CR in a Gmall way outside of Davao. I could have shagged them both that evening, but they were rather hideous.

Even though most are on 6 month contracts, at least their future is stable for the next little while. So they take their job seriously. It's amazing how many are "focusing on their work" and are too "bzy" when you could loose more than they make in a day and not even notice it. And just a side note, at GMall they're required to cut that pretty black hair short, what a shame.

The general junk stores work sometimes, those sales ladies generally aren't as tall or cute, and they make even less. But usually their shifts are for the duration of whenever the store is open. So you can get their number and just wait till they loose their job, or otherwise decide they like you.

So there's my story, shopping for live merchandise in Davao malls gets old, far from the shooting fish in a barrel feeling you get after grabbing a bunch of numbers.

Better luck finding ones that are still "finding" work.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1649362] And just a side note, at GMall they're required to cut that pretty black hair short, what a shame.[/QUOTE]I was fucking one cute GMall cutie a couple of times, and she told me that there had been an occasion where a girl stole money rolled up in her hair, hence everyone now has to wear it short. Radical solution.

B

I frequently use a slightly different tactic than I've read about on the Chat Room thread. Rather than making it clear that sex is expected if she comes to my place, I tell them I don't expect anything, and I promise I'm not going to try to sex them. Sounds corny but it builds their trust enough to get them in the door, then it's usually pretty easy after that. Because after all, she's a good gurl, and she's not like the others. And a generous gift of P1,000 is even more appreciated, because it just kinda happened.

Latest scene just finished tonight. Been working on a gwapa 18 year old virgin on and off for a while now. I've had her over a few times and finally today she's ready. But the wish list has gotten way too heavy, and is now more like the expected list. Christmas is coming, she's going to be traveling, a new phone has been mentioned, breeze of teeth (braces), etc. So as of today, that hot stuff is going to be for her lucky husband.

Anyhow, her 21 year old cousin text me tonight checkin in. I told her it was over, and I was lonely and needed attention. I said just come by, and don't worry, I'm not going to bang you. We're just going to hang out for a while. And maybe I'll just kiss you all over. She liked the sound of that, so I got into a little more detail, and it must have turned her on. "Pero you promise no sex?" Yes, Sweetheart, I promise. So she arrives, we get her on her back, and it gets under way. Well, within less than 5 minutes of pussy licking she was fired up and we were shaggin like rats. Oops, I broke my promise, sorry. . "It's ukie".

Right in the heart of the super conservative Davao. I'm taking a troll through Victoria Plaza and amongst old women, young children, nuns, and innocent school girls, I run across this! The booth is located near MacDo in case any of you freaks are interested. (Smile).

[QUOTE=Sam14;1674994]Right in the heart of the super conservative Davao. I'm taking a troll through Victoria Plaza and amongst old women, young children, nuns, and innocent school girls, I run across this! The booth is located near MacDo in case any of you freaks are interested. (Smile).[/QUOTE]Sam,

Did you get an idea of prices? Generally more expensive than what one can buy elsewhere and then pack in your luggage.

I am asking purely for scientific interest and my ongoing PhD research into pricing comparatives between the Philippines and the rest of the world.

And. . . Any more 'interesting' items or just the standard fare? LOL.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1675091]Sam,

Did you get an idea of prices? Generally more expensive than what one can buy elsewhere and then pack in your luggage.

I am asking purely for scientific interest and my ongoing PhD research into pricing comparatives between the Philippines and the rest of the world.

And. . . Any more 'interesting' items or just the standard fare? LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are correct, the prices are inflated. I'd go with an estimated 50% higher price tag than I've seen see in say, the Untied States.

And yes, I did see a more interesting item slow down as she was passing by. She scurried off in apparent terror when I tried to get her attention.

Funny thing happened. I was looking for something like Westie showed, I forget what he calls it. It's that giant thing with a cord. I figured I'd just go to GMall Department store. So I was guided around 3 separate floors and finally ended up in the cosmetic section. The 2 sales ladies were rather cute and sexy. It was so funny, all they had in stock were 2 or 3 tiny battery operated things. The girls would open up the packages and try to demonstrate. One of the (massage) units even had a 4 inch skinny shape. We were all just kindof grinning, pretty much thinking the same thing. That just reminds me, I need to go follow up on that.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1675216] I was looking for something like Westie showed, I forget what he calls it. It's that giant thing with a cord.[/QUOTE]I believe that is the Hitachi Magic Wand massager. I suspect it's a bring-from-home item rather than a buy-in-the-Philippines one. Check the online adult toy sellers and sulit.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1675240]I believe that is the Hitachi Magic Wand massager. I suspect it's a bring-from-home item rather than a buy-in-the-Philippines one. Check the online adult toy sellers and sulit.[/QUOTE]Also found on [URL]amazon.com[/URL]. $40-ish.

Hi everybody.

I just returned to my country after spending 6 months in Davao, it was the first time in my life going to Asia and even though I have been mongering since 2011 but its the first time I travel looking for freebies. So everything felt new for me and unique in a positive way after spending the past 4 years in Prague privats, Amsterdam windows and German FKK / Partytreffs.

August:

I arrived Davao on the first day of August 2014 . There were at least 20 girls waiting to meet me and the reason for this is that luckily I was completely free 4 months before the trip. So I used these 4 months to have daily contacts / exchange of messages / chats / Skype with lots of girls. I do realize that 4 months of preparations does sound like an "overkill" but it lead to August being one of the most wonderful months in my entire life. Things went so perfectly smooth that I felt like I'm in heaven by having a new girl each day.

September:

In September things turned negatively almost 180 degree. The reason for this is that I "run out of the girls that I already knew / prepared" . I met all of them in August. So I had 2 options to continue getting pussy:

1- option number 1 is to hunt girls in parks / malls. And this did not go so well because Filipinos are social people. So its unlikely to see a girl taking a walk alone in a park / mall. Mostly she will be with a group of friends. And I don't know about you guys but let me be honest by saying that I don't have enough balls to invade a group just to approach a girl. So this option mostly went well for me with sales lady only which basically mean: go to a mall, find a cute sales lady, chat with her, get her number, arrange a meeting with her.

2- option number 2 is to use the dating websites. And even though this became my main way of getting pussy till the end of the trip but it was tiring actually because the girls did not knew me (they were not so comfortable) so it did not go as smooth as the August girls (which are the girls whom I already prepared contact with for months) . Filipinas are always late / the chance of them cancelling the meeting was not so low and this will eventually fuck my day since its not easy to get a date with new girl immediately / the conservative, shy girls were pain in the ass.

I was still able to get lots of girls to my bed in September but it was very tiring month that I even though to stop the trip and return to my country.

October:

In the last day of September I met a very unique girl, she is tall, very sexy, always horny, she likes to cum at least twice a day, when we walk in the street people always stare at her because she is one of the sexiest Filipinas I ever seen.

Basically I spent the whole October with her. Spending a whole month with 1 girl was not originally in my plans but I was convinced with my decision because I did not want October to be tiring / stressful just like September.

November and December:

By the beginning of November I decided to stop being with this girl regardless of how sexy she is but things started to feel repeated kinda like a boyfriend / girlfriend and that is not my purpose of being in Philippines. So I'm back again to the dating game. But this time I decided to also return to my old hobby of P4 P. The P4 P scene in Davao is not impressive but still fun. The bar-fine at the clubs is too expensive and the street prostitutes rating is mostly between 4 and 7 . So its obviously not a city to visit just for the P4 P scene. However I want to share the following information about P4 P scene:

The best place regarding clubs is hot legs. Hot legs prices are (115 pesos entry+1 beer. 65 pesos for each new beer. 300 pesos for lady drinks. 1500 pesos for VIP room. 2500 pesos for barfine) . Those are hot legs branches:

* hot legs san pedro, its located next to hotel my hotel and its the biggest, best hot legs branch. Even the girls there are better than other hot legs branches.

* hot legs palma hills. Located infront of royal mindaya hotel. The second best hot legs.

* hot legs anda street (in downtown), its tiny with few girls. Not worth a visit.

* hot legs Buhangain (near Buhangain public market) , also tiny, few girls and not worth a visit.

Notes: there was a nice hot legs in Claveria but they closed it recently. There is also a hot legs in panabo but that is outside of davao.

Regarding clubs there are also 2 good clubs that are not hot legs. One of them is newly opened and its located exactly infront of hotel my hotel. And the other one is in palma hill located exactly infront of hot legs palma hill. Both of those clubs have similar rules / system / prices to hot legs.

The best place for street prostitutes is the central bank chicks (near g mall) . I usually pay 500 Pesos for short term. There are also lots of girls in / around san pedro street at night but the ones in central bank are much better looking. My personal favourite way of enjoying Davao P4 P scene is to go to hot legs / watch the ladies dancing / chat, play with some of them / get drunk / go to central bank and choose a girl there / fuck Short term then sleep.

January:

By January I already had enough from all those adventures, beautiful memories and delicious pussies so I spent my last month in Davao living with a sweet, decent, caring girl.

It was defiantly an unforgeable experience in a positive way. I want to say thank you for all of you guys for helping me in your reports and especially to those who offered me direct help when I needed it when I was preparing for the trip. Happy mongering everybody!

You spent six months in Davao? That's it? Okay, I'll read again.

[QUOTE=GoldenTiger;1676806]Hi everybody.

I just returned to my country after spending 6 months in Davao, it was the first time in my life going to Asia and even though I have been mongering since 2011 but its the first time I travel looking for freebies. So everything felt new for me and unique in a positive way after spending the past 4 years in Prague privats, Amsterdam windows and German FKK / Partytreffs.

August:

I arrived Davao on the first day of August 2014 . There were at least 20 girls waiting to meet me and the reason for this is that luckily I was completely free 4 months before the trip. So I used these 4 months to have daily contacts / exchange of messages / chats / Skype with lots of girls. I do realize that 4 months of preparations does sound like an "overkill" but it lead to August being one of the most wonderful months in my entire life. Things went so perfectly smooth that I felt like I'm in heaven by having a new girl each day.

September:

In September things turned negatively almost 180 degree. The reason for this is that I "run out of the girls that I already knew / prepared" . I met all of them in August. So I had 2 options to continue getting pussy:

1- option number 1 is to hunt girls in parks / malls. And this did not go so well because Filipinos are social people. So its unlikely to see a girl taking a walk alone in a park / mall. Mostly she will be with a group of friends. And I don't know about you guys but let me be honest by saying that I don't have enough balls to invade a group just to approach a girl. So this option mostly went well for me with sales lady only which basically mean: go to a mall, find a cute sales lady, chat with her, get her number, arrange a meeting with her.

2- option number 2 is to use the dating websites. And even though this became my main way of getting pussy till the end of the trip but it was tiring actually because the girls did not knew me (they were not so comfortable) so it did not go as smooth as the August girls (which are the girls whom I already prepared contact with for months) . Filipinas are always late / the chance of them cancelling the meeting was not so low and this will eventually fuck my day since its not easy to get a date with new girl immediately / the conservative, shy girls were pain in the ass.

I was still able to get lots of girls to my bed in September but it was very tiring month that I even though to stop the trip and return to my country.

October:

In the last day of September I met a very unique girl, she is tall, very sexy, always horny, she likes to cum at least twice a day, when we walk in the street people always stare at her because she is one of the sexiest Filipinas I ever seen.

Basically I spent the whole October with her. Spending a whole month with 1 girl was not originally in my plans but I was convinced with my decision because I did not want October to be tiring / stressful just like September.

November and December:

By the beginning of November I decided to stop being with this girl regardless of how sexy she is but things started to feel repeated kinda like a boyfriend / girlfriend and that is not my purpose of being in Philippines. So I'm back again to the dating game. But this time I decided to also return to my old hobby of P4 P. The P4 P scene in Davao is not impressive but still fun. The bar-fine at the clubs is too expensive and the street prostitutes rating is mostly between 4 and 7 . So its obviously not a city to visit just for the P4 P scene. However I want to share the following information about P4 P scene:

The best place regarding clubs is hot legs. Hot legs prices are (115 pesos entry+1 beer. 65 pesos for each new beer. 300 pesos for lady drinks. 1500 pesos for VIP room. 2500 pesos for barfine) . Those are hot legs branches:

* hot legs san pedro, its located next to hotel my hotel and its the biggest, best hot legs branch. Even the girls there are better than other hot legs branches.

* hot legs palma hills. Located infront of royal mindaya hotel. The second best hot legs.

* hot legs anda street (in downtown), its tiny with few girls. Not worth a visit.

* hot legs Buhangain (near Buhangain public market) , also tiny, few girls and not worth a visit.

Notes: there was a nice hot legs in Claveria but they closed it recently. There is also a hot legs in panabo but that is outside of davao.

Regarding clubs there are also 2 good clubs that are not hot legs. One of them is newly opened and its located exactly infront of hotel my hotel. And the other one is in palma hill located exactly infront of hot legs palma hill. Both of those clubs have similar rules / system / prices to hot legs.

The best place for street prostitutes is the central bank chicks (near g mall) . I usually pay 500 Pesos for short term. There are also lots of girls in / around san pedro street at night but the ones in central bank are much better looking. My personal favourite way of enjoying Davao P4 P scene is to go to hot legs / watch the ladies dancing / chat, play with some of them / get drunk / go to central bank and choose a girl there / fuck Short term then sleep.

January:

By January I already had enough from all those adventures, beautiful memories and delicious pussies so I spent my last month in Davao living with a sweet, decent, caring girl.

It was defiantly an unforgeable experience in a positive way. I want to say thank you for all of you guys for helping me in your reports and especially to those who offered me direct help when I needed it when I was preparing for the trip. Happy mongering everybody![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1677015]You spent six months in Davao? That's it? Okay, I'll read again.[/QUOTE]There are a few guys, and do I say some experienced but repeat offenders, on this forum who lazily press "Reply with Quote" and regurgitate a lengthy posting in full, which is just a simple scroll-down, without so much as any editing or snipping. And often the comment is some trivial one-liner which adds little value to the original well constructed and worthy posting.

[QUOTE=GoldenTiger;1676806]Hi everybody. I just returned to my country after spending 6 months in Davao,.... SNIP [/QUOTE]GoldenTiger. A great posting that covers the gamut of careful and lengthy chat-site preparations (leading to success through August), then the frustration of local Davao hunting (September), then the joy of a special sexy liaison (October and again in January) then the P4 P scene (November -December). It sums up the experience, the thrills and frustrations, very well.

[QUOTE=KongKing;1677061]There are a few guys, and do I say some experienced but repeat offenders, on this forum who lazily press "Reply with Quote" and regurgitate a lengthy posting in full[/QUOTE]The consumption of copious amounts of intoxicating beverages could also be a contributing factor in this particular case, LOL.

At GT = great and concise report, thanks!

Thank you Pip and Kong for the feedback. My post to GT was rather short and curt. My apology to GT. As Pip wisely guessed, it was after a long day and a few drinks. I didn't mean to be rude.

Usually I do snip when I reply, but in this case I wanted to remind myself to read it again. For example, GT wrote, "One of them (a new club) is newly opened and its located exactly in front of hotel my hotel". At that point I wondered what hotel he was referring to. I didn't see the club name, nor the hotel name. Reading the post today it makes more sense. There is a hotel named My Hotel on San Pedro Blvd.

I'm sure GT has a few more stories to tell. Hopefully, he'll find the time to share some more. X.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1677297]The consumption of copious amounts of intoxicating beverages could also be a contributing factor in this particular case, LOL.

At GT = great and concise report, thanks![/QUOTE]

Where's the Beef.

Looking for detailed mongering information on Davao, thinking of visiting for the first time. Have read back until Dec. 2013 and accept for a couple post there is not a great deal of good mongering information. Where to stay where the action is what prices to pay.

Looking for info on Davao Mongering.

Chris

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1679349]Where's the Beef.

Looking for detailed mongering information on Davao, thinking of visiting for the first time. Have read back until Dec. 2013 and accept for a couple post there is not a great deal of good mongering information. Where to stay where the action is what prices to pay.

Looking for info on Davao Mongering.

Chris[/QUOTE]It's because Davao isn't known for bars / brothels, but instead for picking up girls in malls, on the street, in stores, etc. I was there once (10 yrs ago) and it was like fishing with dynamite.

GoodEnough used to post a lot in the Davao thread and the resulting conversations inspired me to visit the place. It was years ago, but I had a great time. As GT and Rubio suggest, the online sites might be the place to meet some potential dates in advance. I'd go again, but my holidays are a bit shorter than they used to be.

On my second trip, flying in from Cebu, I had a nice conversation with the stunner in the seat across the aisle. She spoke great English and it turns out she worked reception at M Polo. Much to my surprise she actually came around and chatted a bit as we waited for our luggage in the airport. I already had a date lined up, so this was the big fish that got away. LOL.

Cebu is growing very fast, and I've heard Davao is as well. I haven't been there in years. Here are a few bird pictures, both taken at the Eagle Park. One is my tour guide who is apparently unavailable these days. Hope some folks who've been to Davao lately can add some new info, or even update us on what has already been posted. X

Chris. I mentioned this in Slayer'S forum. For high end point n dick there's a place called Blue Opera KTV. It's just past Damosa, on the left. It's large building, real nice inside. There's a bunch of private rooms and one big room in front with a stage, a bar and some sofas. That room was empty. But I sat there and had a drink (p80) and the mamasan brought in the girls, turned on the lights and lined them up on stage. 25 plus rather sexy pretty young women. All of them dressed in short tight skirts and high heels. Looked allot better than what I saw at Hot Legs last time.

It's a different type of deal though. You can start in the lounge or in a VIP room. You choose the one (or more) you like. I didn't partake so I'm not exactly sure how it works. But a ladies drink is p300 and that supposedly gets you an hour with her? You can sit in that bar, talk, grope, whatever. Mama San wasn't clear on what happens when she sucks it down in 3 minutes, but this is where you'd trade numbers if you're into that kind of thing.

The other way is get the VIP room. That 2,000, includes the ladies drinks and the 2 k is consumable for your drinks. You negotiate with her for whatever else happens. The same 2 k applies if you skip the VIP room and just take her out.

There's another one but not as big, it's called ET KTV. It's beside Yellow Fin, going to Ecoland.

Rubio, the charm of white skin in a mall has faded dramatically during your decade of absence.

Chris you can stay anywhere, since it does not matter. Just pick a place on any booking site and change if you do not like it. A taxi costs nothing and there is no direct area that will be your fall back solution for a number of nights. The bars are cheap, dirty but charm if you can live with the rest. The girls are not what I want, but close enough for some visitors I have noticed. Why you would go to Davao for this, beats me. Go to the Hot Legs mentioned 8000 times here, and then the KTVs mentioned 4000 times here and you have petty much seen the idea of what you will find. From there it is down hill. I am not saying it is not good, it does just not get any fancier than this in DVO. All over the city you will find clubs and bars and a gem hiding here and there. Some of them more or less requires a newbie to go with someone local to find the place, and others are impossible to miss. Just ride a cab and say stop at the neon lights. People will not harm you in Davao normally so you can go in and look and move on once your eyes get accustomed to the inevitable lack of light you most often discover.

The city is growing but the night life is (has been) shrinking. The traffic and P4P has something in common. Both are even more pathetic than five or three years ago, but a visitor will always find ways forward and fun in some form. Personally I find Tionko and the other SW coordinates mentioned her 2000 times to be less compelling nowadays. Moral codes are enforced harder in Davao than some years ago, at least the leaders likes to pretend this. Roddy wants to go to heaven maybe. But it is all relative to what you expect, right?

We have brave guys like Sam14 and others who live in Davao all the time, and more or less always are open to meet someone, and they will naturally always have a pool of talent waiting. The same goes for us that relapsed for years or even decades in some cases. It comes down to money or time, but first you need to invest that initial time.

The "clubs" are fun at weekends mostly. The strip joints are fun if you bring friends. The number of poor girls are naturally not significantly less now than 2005, but you should try to find them before you go there or just spend a lot of time in places where you would normally not want to spend a lot of time. Or know someone very well that spends a lot of time in those places. As I repeated a few times, IMHO it would be a mistake to visit Davao for the bar girls, P4P scene or nightlife. This is the truth. No other variant of the truth you might find on ISG is more valid than this from some sort of objective statistically validated truth. Not if you compare to any other monger option that deserves to be in such a comparison. Very few are unhappy when they leave Davao, and even fewer will nominate this city to the world monger city league.

Go there to see someone you connected with and want a beach week with, or to just meet friendly people in a sometimes lovely but also over crowded city (well it is actually just the complete lack of traffic law enforcement in combination with toothpick roads that is the real problem). Honesty among cab drivers is of great importance to people living in Davao and this says something. I consider cab driver ethics to be something of an indicator of a tipping point of moral bankruptcy. Street harassment is another more obvious one, but the taxi is often your first point of interaction when leaving the cradle of international airborne location warps. If the cab driver fucks with you from first minute, you better watch out during the rest of your stay. If he tells you proudly that he has been riding for 30 years and always respected the strict and honest policy implemented by the regional Government, you can normally sink in to the leather and just chill to the music.

I love Davao, but I would never recommend anyone to go there without a bunch of disclaimers. P4P and night life is on the top of the P4P disclaimer list. Chris, this post probably did not do anything for you but Rubio said it. Most visitors meet women in Davao like you would meet them at home. The few exceptions have been well documented here for some years. Nothing changed (for the better).

Thank you for reading.

Barba (on my way, probably).

Thanks for the report. Was this fairly recent? I seem to remember a negative report about Blue Opera a while back. I don't know what "Yellow Fin" is. I'll go take a look at the DS thread, maybe you've answered the questions already.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1680427]Chris. I mentioned this in Slayer'S forum. For high end point n dick there's a place called Blue Opera KTV. It's just past Damosa, on the left.

snip

The other way is get the VIP room. That 2,000, includes the ladies drinks and the 2 k is consumable for your drinks. You negotiate with her for whatever else happens. The same 2 k applies if you skip the VIP room and just take her out.

There's another one but not as big, it's called ET KTV. It's beside Yellow Fin, going to Ecoland.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1680664]Thanks for the report. Was this fairly recent? I seem to remember a negative report about Blue Opera a while back. I don't know what "Yellow Fin" is. I'll go take a look at the DS thread, maybe you've answered the questions already.[/QUOTE]I wrote a negative report on Blue Opera once.

I have been at both Blue Opera and ET a few times over the years and they are not very exciting. Yellow Fin next to ET is a sea food restaurant you find on your right side, if you pass over Bankerohan on Quezon / Quimpo, going towards Eocland / Matina. Had some good meals there and a couple bad ones the last two times so they are off my food list.

There is also Aquarium in the Nova Tiera entrance. Had both good and bad nights there, but it all happened years ago. These two Illongo "sisters" I met back in 2007 in Aquarium. They look blood thirsty, right? I was green to the KTV scene, but we still enjoyed Samal the next day. The "cousin" in the middle was nice and positive. Honey had the biggest tits so she and her jugs got my attention. Just close by we had a really good bar up until some years ago. I miss the days at Kaoris. It was not really a pickup place but more a place to meet friends for a bucket of beer and some simple food. Cass big hat and smile would almost always meet and greet you welcome, and often there was a string of very good live music. If anyone remember TinTin (T2) you know something else that also was big at Kaoris. Oh lord I was fortunate enough to get to juggle those one night before she went away to become a musical star (Kaoris may have looked like a P4P establishment, but it was not.

Anyway, when it comes to KTV with hot girls you can "sing with", I had good fun in one behind Victoria some years ago, but do not remember the name of that one. A lot of Koreans and me plus my NZ mate. And a very cute slim girl that I forgot the name of.

B

Thanks for the update Barba. Do you still live in the area? The last time I was in Davao I ate at Henny's place (forgot the name) and then enjoyed some music at Chicos. That was just before Claude's restaurant moved into the mansion. I'd love to eat inside that house someday. [URL]http://claudescafedavao.com/[/URL].
X.

[QUOTE=Barba;1680628]The number of poor girls are naturally not significantly less now than 2005, but you should try to find them before you go there or just spend a lot of time in places where you would normally not want to spend a lot of time. [/QUOTE]Like by an open canal in a squatter village? This picture was taken the first time we ever met in public after dating in private for a long time. She used the towel to cover her head. No matter how poor, allot of them are just too freaked out to be seen with a foreigner. It's not going to help their image when word gets out around their barangay and to their parents. If it's late 20's and up with a kid or 3 that you like, you're going to have it allot easier. But I don't find that unique to Davao. I don't have allot of experience on other islands, but it's pretty much like that all over Mindanao. I just spent some time up in the Koronadal, T'boli area, and Kidapawan and it's pretty much the same.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1680925]Like by an open canal in a squatter village? This picture was taken the first time we ever met in public after dating in private for a long time. She used the towel to cover her head. No matter how poor, allot of them are just too freaked out to be seen with a foreigner. It's not going to help their image when word gets out around their barangay and to their parents. If it's late 20's and up with a kid or 3 that you like, you're going to have it allot easier. But I don't find that unique to Davao. I don't have allot of experience on other islands, but its pretty much like that all over Mindanao. I just spent some time up in the Koronadal, T'boli area, and Kidapawan and it's pretty much the same.[/QUOTE]That's an interesting perspective, I have never had that experience. Was she Muslim by chance? That would be a taboo I guess. I only chatted 2 and never met them.

Virtually all girls I met, all Christian or Catholic, were very eager for me to go to their barangay and meet their family. It was sort of the ultimate show of respect to meet the girls family for them, whether they were manila metro or far flung provinces in Samar, Leyte, Negros and Iligan and CDO and Davao in Mindanao. It was interesting for the first five years or so seeing all these remote places and how they live. I'm talking about girls 18 to 23 no kids or so and me in my late forties.

I stopped the practice in recent years as the novelty wore off and I began to realize the inherent risk in losing control of my environment and the fact that no sex will occur there due to the total lack of privacy. Plus it was a sort of implied level of a more permanent nature to the relationship, that I realized it was better to avoid. Its better to take the girl to a resort in her province far enough from where she lives that you have total anonymity and so does she. She can be much more free in that environment.

X-Man,

I actually never lived there permanently. Relatives, business, friends, poonani, beaches and so on takes me there a few times per year normally.

I had a dinner in the Mansion some years ago and it was a good meal. Over priced wine, but a good experience.

Bon Apetit is my favorite place in Davao.

B

[QUOTE=Pantot;1680933]
Virtually all girls I met, all Christian or Catholic, were very eager for me to go to their barangay and meet their family. It was sort of the ultimate show of respect to meet the girls family for them, whether they were manila metro or far flung provinces in Samar, Leyte, Negros and Iligan and CDO and Davao in Mindanao. It was interesting for the first five years or so seeing all these remote places and how they live. [/QUOTE]I do not like to meet the family because I usually get hit up for money or for lunch or something.

My experiences have run the gamut from a lavish feast prepared for me / us, all the way down to an unexpected detour for the purpose of ordering six pizzas and two chickens to feed the family and neighborhood. Surprise for the X-Man! This is the DV thread, so I should say that these are my experiences overall. The best one, the feast, occurred in SF, La Union. The unexpected humanitarian mission was Danao, Cebu.

Meeting family of a gal in Davao? This is a summary of my experiences:

1) met two of the sisters of the GF of one esteemed ISG member. Shagged neither, but they were both interesting and fun.

2) Miss TS, ToyStory. I met her at the mall at a tiny toy kiosk. She took me to Samal island where papa was the caretaker of a ramshackle resort that catered to Filipino groups. She now has two kids from a subsequent Filipino BF.

3) Miss "R". Was adorable. I've never met anyone with such long eyelashes. Incredible. I met her online while in Cebu and said I would be in Davao the next day. And then in Davao, I spent all day meeting various members at different locations. Met granny which provided some interesting photos. Uncle is / was a boxer, okay, maybe I should go now. . . One member was a manager for the local Internet provider, which came in handy later. Net speed isn't bad when you are in the same room as the servers! Back to the family meeting, when I finally extracted myself by saying I had to pick up my laundry, the lass joined me and as soon as we got into the hotel room, the fun began. She married some foreigner a few years after that.

4) Miss L, I only met her sisters and a niece, but she was the one I truly fell in love with. A beautifully preserved 29 yr old MILF (at that time), she was funny and playful and seemed to enjoy life at every moment, including the sex. Bless her heart. She took me to a noisy disco and I met her sis. Sis had been in Japan, spoke Japanese, and had a J. BF who seemed to be completely passed out. She bought drinks all night. I had to fight just to pay for a round. Also went to Samal with Miss L and different sis.

In retrospect, I don't regret any of these experiences.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1681090]I do not like to meet the family because I usually get hit up for money or for lunch or something.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1681090]I do not like to meet the family because I usually get hit up for money or for lunch or something.[/QUOTE]She could have sisters.

B

[QUOTE=Barba;1681894]She could have sisters.

B[/QUOTE]Sisters are the way to go. Especially if they are on different mens cycle, you are never without. I have had 3 sets of sisters but never as threesomes. I love it laying in bed with one on each side of me. The non-participating one would either go to the CR or lay there pretending sleep. Even better when they bring cousins over too.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1681929]Sisters are the way to go. Especially if they are on different mens cycle, you are never without. I have had 3 sets of sisters but never as threesomes. I love it laying in bed with one on each side of me. The non-participating one would either go to the CR or lay there pretending sleep. Even better when they bring cousins over too.[/QUOTE]Good observation Dg, but bisexual sisters are the best. Trust me then it is lots of fun, especially when a cousin comes over also and makes it a foursome.

My sisters don't go anywhere except eat each other.

Hello everyone, I'm going to CDO and Davao next month and was wondering.

Do these city's have an equivalent to a Sogo hotel I. E a hotel which you can rent a room by the hour.

As personally I prefer to keep my hobby private and also not worry about losing anything of value should one of those crafty girls get the better of me.

Steve.

Despite having lived here for years, and experiencing every day the massive incompetence characteristic of the national government, every now and then I'm treated to demonstrations of such staggering ineptitude that I find I'm still capable of being shocked. About two weeks ago for example, all of Mindanao, home to approximately 25 million people, lost electricity. Turns out that the largest generating plant--an antique by any standards--hadn't bothered to maintain some of its antediluvian switches, and the entire region thus lost electricity for about five hours. It wasn't fully restored for another day or so. The government promised an investigation however, so I guess everyone should be reassured, or would be if this were not the second such island-wide blackout to occur in a year.

To add insult to injury, all of Davao is now without water for 24-36 hours due to the need for "emergency" repairs to what is obviously one of the major water conduits. Obviously, the conduct of regular and preventative maintenance would have obviated such drastic action, but that would require forethought and critical thinking; not part of the genetic structure of those who work for the government.

As others have pointed out, Filipinos in general, accept the massive inconveniences imposed on them, through government incompetence and general indifference as normal, and I guess they're correct as it is normal here. No use developing perpetual anger at behavior that cannot, and never will be changed. Still, for someone from a more developed country, the level of incompetence remains a bit overwhelming.

GE.

Absurd. And now I know why I could not get hold of a bunch of people that I was looking for.

GE your a handy man. I trust that you will have it all fixed by June 3. Unless you migrated to Manila by then, and left me and the other Davao putzes to suffer on our own.

All the best, Barba.

P.S.

Is "putzes" really the plural form of putz?

DS

[QUOTE=Barba;1705401]Absurd. And now I know why I could not get hold of a bunch of people that I was looking for.

GE your a handy man. I trust that you will have it all fixed by June 3. Unless you migrated to Manila by then, and left me and the other Davao putzes to suffer on our own.

All the best, Barba.

P.S.

Is "putzes" really the plural form of putz?

DS[/QUOTE]Could be putzim perhaps, but putzes works for me. No worries about my migrating to Makati any time soon. The perpetual traffic jam and the steadily deteriorating infrastructure would drive me crazier than I already am. So I'll continue to commute 3-4 times a month.

I had a long chat-based conversation with our mutual French friend yesterday, and we concluded that for long-term expats here, the only way to stay sane is to get out at least once every six months for a couple of days. I'm going to begin that regimen in May. I'll likely go to Bangkok as I haven't been for a while.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1705826].

I had a long chat-based conversation with our mutual French friend yesterday, and we concluded that for long-term expats here, the only way to stay sane is to get out at least once every six months for a couple of days. I'm going to begin that regimen in May. I'll likely go to Bangkok as I haven't been for a while.

GE.[/QUOTE]Sage advice that's not only applicable to Davao. I'm my 30 plus years in Asia I have found that getting our from wherever you are, is of great importance to ensure sanity of mind, and balance of outlook. And then refreshed, you can face up to your daily doses of irritation.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1705858]Sage advice that's not only applicable to Davao. I'm my 30 plus years in Asia I have found that getting our from wherever you are, is of great importance to ensure sanity of mind, and balance of outlook. And then refreshed, you can face up to your daily doses of irritation.[/QUOTE]Right you are Freebie. I didn't mean my comments to be restricted to Davao, but to the entire country. Funny that I never felt this way didn't the years I spent in France. .

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1705826]I had a long chat-based conversation with our mutual French friend yesterday, and we concluded that for long-term expats here, the only way to stay sane is to get out at least once every six months for a couple of days. I'm going to begin that regimen in May. I'll likely go to Bangkok as I haven't been for a while.

GE.[/QUOTE]Ironically, for many of us trapped in the Western rat-race, occasional trips to the Philippines appear to give us, aside from doting women, escape to a simpler, more laid-back lifestyle. Is it possible our respective itches arise from something other than the desire of expats to escape the frustrating complacency of life in the Philippines and of us high-strung Westerners to spring the rat trap of Western hustle?

Obviously many educated Filipinos want to flee the Philippines as well, but most Filipinos who have never known anything else seem content to swelter under the Philippine sun. Maybe the itchy feet of us Westerners derive from an unfulfilled sense of rising expectations: we grow up on some myth about the sky being the limit, and never quite come to terms with the underlying fiction of it all. Never having caught the fantasy of limitless horizons, everyday Filipinos find it easier to come to terms with the limits of their existence. Just a thought.

"Never having caught the fantasy of limitless horizons, everyday Filipinos find it easier to come to terms with the limits of their existence. Just a thought. ".

It's an interesting hypothesis Skip, where the "fantasy" is perhaps limited to landing a job in a call center. Indeed it's true that the whole "American Dream" hasn't been transmuted to any indigenous equivalent: unsurprising I suppose in a country in which many just struggle to survive day by day. In light of all this, I think your general premise is valid; Filipinos have, for the most part, a more truncated dream. On the other hand, though the level of satisfaction of the average Filipino may be lower than that of the average American or Westerner, it may be equally out of reach given the lack of opportunity, the relentless population growth, and an economy in which the good jobs are closed to all but the very fortunate few and even those jobs are just as likely to be secured through connections as they are on merit. My guess is that many, if not most Filipinos, to the extent that they engage in the luxury of analysis and reflection, simply become resigned.

GE.

Skip,

I love how you put it. But maybe there is also a more fundamental drive in power, than just having adopted (being force fed) an idea of endless stimulation? GE touches it in his post. I do not want to come across as pretentious, but isn't development the only true divine force? God in it's purest and perhaps only manifestation in humans. We have gravity, infinite space, quantum physics and all the rest we do not understand fully that can be labeled divine or too complex for us to grasp, but doesn't the force to develop govern all other behaviors in us animals? Even reproduction is a mean to secure the development for the future (if it was the main purpose, we would / could just kill ourselves once we loose fertility).

We must develop or we stagnate. We develop in whatever way we believe we can at the moment. Stagnation is equivalent to death. So we do whatever we can, wherever we are. I am not talking about the banality of predictable variation, but the inescapable, unforgiving and and beautiful force of evolution that you can discover in all humans, if you look close enough. If we have the resources to travel somewhere and see something new, we will do this. In the name of evolution. If we do not have that possibility, we find another area to channel all that will and force of development into. Maybe it can be creating an intricate web of simplistic explanations to religious paradoxes. Or indulging in reductionist cynicism to self-motivate immoral decisions. Or perhaps creating means to secure the next fix of Shabu or Red Horse. Or just drilling the brain of the next identified female conquest. The direction can be 180 degrees wrong in someone else's enlightened perspective, but sure enough we will develop until the day we choose it is time to stagnate.

Isn't the human mind an ingenious piece of work? Barely perceiving it, we automatically calculate parameters of resource availability, future resource obligations, need for stability and variation, needs for love and recognition, development alternatives, etc. And out comes "the random and spontaneous idea" to book a ticket to Davao or Bangkok. Because we know we will see something new. We will develop a little bit more. And even if we did not know, we would not have a choice since Development is God and we are God's children. Right?

"We must believe in free will — we have no choice."

Isaac Bashevis Singer.

"God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension."

Freeman Dyson.

B

[QUOTE=Barba;1707346]isn't development the only true divine force? God in it's purest and perhaps only manifestation in humans. We have gravity, infinite space, quantum physics and all the rest we do not understand fully that can be labeled divine or too complex for us to grasp, but doesn't the force to develop govern all other behaviors in us animals?

Isn't the human mind an ingenious piece of work? Barely perceiving it, we automatically calculate parameters of resource availability, future resource obligations, need for stability and variation, needs for love and recognition, development alternatives, etc. And out comes "the random and spontaneous idea" to book a ticket to Davao or Bangkok. Because we know we will see something new. We will develop a little bit more. And even if we did not know, we would not have a choice since Development is God and we are God's children. Right?

"We must believe in free will we have no choice."

Isaac Bashevis Singer.

"God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension."

Freeman Dyson.

B[/QUOTE]Thanks for your thoughts, B, and for keeping this philosophical dialogue alive.

I assume you are not writing in your first language, but I don't know exactly what you mean by development. If you mean that humans are directed inherently toward some sort of "progress" to improve the plight of humanity, then I don't think I agree. "Progress" is itself a social construction; it is grounded in an unproven assumption that the world and the plight of humanity are ultimately perfectible. Evidence for these assumptions is not at all clear. There are noteworthy results in some parts of the world on some of the Millennium Development Goals, but other parts of the world and some of the goals show dismal results. In addition, recent years have seen a noticeable retreat around the world from the growth of democracy, governmental transparency, and the like.

Even my country, whose leader sells himself as preferring negotiation to military intervention, continues to launch drones at nameless (to us) militants in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and perhaps even Mindanao. Information about these programs, as well as massive wire-tapping programs, is concealed from average Americans. One could argue that these are necessary evils in an increasingly hostile world, but it is difficult to argue that they are contributing to public confidence in democracy and governmental transparency.

Or perhaps by development you are talking about an individual penchant for creativity and imagination. I like this idea, and I think of myself in this light. But I am not convinced that most of humanity steps to this drumbeat. ISG people are undoubtedly a bunch of rascals, but they are an adventurous lot as well, and we see numerous posts about guys wanting to settle into laid-back regions of the archipelago. But that doesn't mean that most give much thought to what we are discussing here. So far you, FF, GE, and I have chipped into this conversation, thankfully. But within a few posts one of the regulars will tersely request that we end this discussion and stop distracting others from the real purpose of the forum.

I agree that the human mind is an ingenious piece of work, and I like the notion of free will--but within limits. I do believe humans have great potential for experimentation and creativity, but I also believe all human action is bounded by a number of constraints: the limits of our cognitive capacities, social and cultural obligations to those around us, lack of access to the kinds of resources that are required to make many things happen, our glandular inclinations (think libido), and vast uncertainties and ambiguities in the world around us.

Sadly, the connection between individual creativity and divine guidance doesn't work for me. My mother tried hard during my formative years to make a Christian of me, but she failed. If something is too complex for me to grasp, I don't default to divine explanations. I am a cynical agnostic who is reluctant to acknowledge things I haven't personally observed or experienced.

But I do enjoy this dialogue. Please share some more.

Skip.

OK, I admit, by the first glance it is getting very theoretical and far from chasing pussy, but it is actually not. Smiley. I will check out from this topic soon, but bare with me (or skip).

In my view the force of development / evolution has no agenda except to visit every possible outcome of the fractal we call existence, and all other existences as well (see multiverse, Tegmark, Hawkins, Weinberg, Greene, etc). The full sample space must be visited, for some reason. In an infinite amount of time and space, everything has happened, is happening and will happen (the very antonym of stationary).

(That is both mind boggling and comforting in a way. We might have this exact discussion again in a quadrillion years from now, after twelve big bangs).

And us, the little work bees in the fractal, just drill deeper in whatever direction we are looking. It is like the beat of the heart. We just do it, automatically. Until we decide it is time to go up on the mountain and die (Little Big Man). Show me one single human that is alive and is not developing something, somehow. Many times we are clueless as of to why the hell people entrench themselves in what they dot, it seems like such a waste of perfectly good energy, but they do. True development of some kind always results in a feeling of accomplishment in humans. Even if it is such a mundane thing as kicking a ball into a framed structure of nets, we get a sense of accomplishment, when we do it better than yesterday. So we keep licking that nectar of perceived accomplishments.

And that is perhaps exactly the very reason who you did not buy into Christianity. Your mind was compelled to develop far beyond these simplistic and for the most part pathetic attempts to comfort humans. My young children are asking me questions about religion and the rest of the world, that serves to no other purpose than to test and try to poke holes in the smoke screen of the world. No one taught them this ability / agenda. It is just there. Even if you perhaps sometimes wished as a child you could have confirmed and pleased your mother, and click into the drugged world of religion, you could not stop your brain from going beyond and develop a far more colorful set of explanations and questions to the mystery of existence. Who needs a bible when there is a forest to be amazed over? The bible was yesterdays local maximum (in a polynomial sense). We live today.

I think many of us here keep fucking around, partly, and absolutely not fully, because it is such an exiting journey to develop the interpersonal skills required to succeed well in this happy hobby. We become better at closing the deal, and it serves as enlightenment not only in the poonani hunt. We utilize these acquired skills in many interpersonal situations. But I guess this development is as good as any. And since every theoretical node of the sample set in time-space "must" (will) be visited, I can just as well aim at visiting every teen muff of Davao. And there I tied it all together, you critical old-timers. Blink.

The force of evolution logically requires an absolute relativity of values (on a collective / non individual level), so I totally agree that the idea of social progress "in the name of humanity" is a bunch of loosely constructed agendas, and not in any way an inherited or genetic ambition.

Time to multiply.

Cheers from Barba!

[QUOTE=Barba;1707883](That is both mind boggling and comforting in a way. We might have this exact discussion again in a quadrillion years from now, after twelve big bangs).[/QUOTE]Or after a half dozen SMPs. I will PM you if I find myself headed to Davao, and we can actually try this out.

I believe your kids ask you questions because you try to answer. Unfortunately, many parents, especially when pressed by questions that outpace their imaginations, just tell their kids to shut up. I have just ordered a fascinating book by Brian Grazer, titled **A Curious Mind: The Secret to a Bigger Life* Grazer is Ron Howard's business partner and produced movies like Apollo 13, A Beautiful Mind, and Frost / Nixon. He credits his own curiosity to encouragement from his 4 foot 10 inch Jewish grandmother. Bottom line, I think what you describe here is an individual experience that most humans do not encounter. I try not to let that cynical conclusion take my own imagination hostage, but I think you are more optimistic than I am.

Maybe I can still multiply my imagination and cynicism (an apparent paradox, I admit, although I attempt to embrace the paradox), but I surrendered my option to multiply biologically nearly 35 years ago.

Skip,

When I wrote that post about the desire to escape, I was motivated less by existential epistemology and more by a desire to return, albeit briefly, to a place where things work: things like electricity, water supply, traffic signals and the like. So I was speaking less from angst than from a selfish desire for predictability (imputed and meaningless as it may be) and physical comfort.

As I read the dialogue between you and Barba, expressing beliefs quite similar to those I hold, I was struck by the thought of how difficult it would be to have that discussion with a Filipino given that monotheism in one form or another is the fundament on which the entire culture (or series of cultures) is predicated. Questioning the notion of ultimate purpose or the divine "Not I" would not, I think, go down well here. In a country with such pervasive poverty, individual powerlessness and limited economic opportunity the need to believe that suffering serves a purpose, that there exists an external, ultimately benign force, is compelling, and may be what sustains millions of people here. In a sense, all of us, educated or not, with resources or without, impute meaning, force some meaning if you will onto and into the lives we lead. We derive, or delude ourselves into deriving meaning from our children, from our relationships, from our "accomplishments," from our athleticism or whatever, but in one way or another we all I think, seek to impose and / or wring meaning from the chaos.

Melville said that, in the end, there's no purpose to the universe; that all is chaos, randomness and chance, but mankind is incapable of confronting the truth that there's nothing out there since it would drive most people mad. It's therefore, in Melville's view, the job of fiction to reflect the truth to humans cloaked in the veneer of fiction. I've always appreciated that insight.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1708068]Skip,

by existential epistemology
GE.[/QUOTE]Its always enjoyable to read the voluminous vocabulary that you, Skip and Barba introduce in our ISG world.

Notwithstanding the variety of thoughts about " why are we here and how do we move from here".

Please excuse me whilst I go and look up existential epistemology as I have less than no idea what it might actually mean. .

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1708097]Its always enjoyable to read the voluminous vocabulary that you, Skip and Barba introduce in our ISG world.

Notwithstanding the variety of thoughts about " why are we here and how do we move from here".

Please excuse me whilst I go and look up existential epistemology as I have less than no idea what it might actually mean. .[/QUOTE]Today I was roughly introduced to a glaring manifestation of the "why are we here / progress is illusory" discussion. JP Laurel, also known toward the enter of town as Bajada is one of Davao's major streets. Running roughly north-south, it's a 4-6 lame divided highway and from its size, I assume it's a national road, putatively then the responsibility of National DPWH. Today, as I drove northward, trying to take my car for an oil change, I noticed that DPWH road crews had dug what I can only describe as two mini caverns at the side of the road. In keeping with (the total lack of) national safety standards, there were no protective barriers adjacent to the caverns, church were separated from traffic by a skimpy plastic ribbon. For those driving at night, given the lack of signage or for anyone having to swerve to avoid hitting a random pedestrian, the risk of tipping one's car into the pit is substantial. I guess the complete indifference to public safety is a tacit expression of the absolute faith of Fulipinos that this life is but a transitory journey to a better, eternal one.

GE.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1708097]Please excuse me whilst I go and look up existential epistemology as I have less than no idea what it might actually mean. .[/QUOTE]Maybe this will help, FF.

[URL]http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/019823922X.001.0001/acprof-9780198239222[/URL]

Joke: laugh here.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1708119]I guess the complete indifference to public safety is a tacit expression of the absolute faith of Fulipinos that this life is but a transitory journey to a better, eternal one. GE.[/QUOTE]I understand social causation as following from actions or interactions on the part of people. It would be easy to blame some set of abstractions--poverty, family oligarchies, lack of education, and so on--as causing this complacency and disregard for human safety. And some are probably contributing factors, but what is the underlying narrative of human actions that led to safety-oriented public services work in industrialized countries and a competing narrative of ignorance or complacency in the Philippines? Obviously it's a complicated story in the industrialized country, but what sort of narrative of actions on the part of displeased Filipinos would have been necessary to get construction safety closer to its industrialized counterparts?

[QUOTE=SkipKost;1708683]. . . SNIP> . . but what is the underlying narrative of human actions that led to safety-oriented public services work in industrialized countries and a competing narrative of ignorance or complacency in the Philippines? Obviously it's a complicated story in the industrialized country, but what sort of narrative of actions on the part of displeased Filipinos would have been necessary to get construction safety closer to its industrialized counterparts?[/QUOTE]"Narrative of human actions" followed by "narrative of actions" in 2 sequential sentences.

WTF?

This is academic wanking of the highest degree SK.

I know you get your jollies from engaging in meaningless "philosophical" posts on ISG and I am sure some others enjoy playing your game (with the Thesaurus open beside them), but this is so far removed from the mongering scene in Davao that it beggars belief.

I was an academic in a previous life, and I am so thankful I was able to escape into the real world.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1708784]"Narrative of human actions" followed by "narrative of actions" in 2 sequential sentences.

WTF?

This is academic wanking of the highest degree SK..[/QUOTE]Or you could say "nosebleed" but I do like the "academic wanking" phrase must remember that one RK.

LOL Skip. Yea, or after a couple of bottles of Bordeaux. Me and GE have the same conversation roughly every fourth month, after sampling the grape-juice at BA. And I find equally it rewarding every time. Looking forward to meet you one day, Skip.

FreebieFan, I use a dictionary to impress strangers here on ISG. In reality I do not know any of these words.

GE, your such a cynic. Smiley. Personally I think Melville was wrong and that there is some sort of meaning or reason to all this. We are just too dumb to see or understand it. An ant can not grasp the anthill, yet he contributes unknowingly.

I guess it is OK to just say "I do not have a fucking clue, and I do not have to have a clue" and keep doing what feels right (and we all know what that is).

"The complete indifference to public safety is a tacit expression of the absolute faith of Filipinos that this life is but a transitory journey to a better, eternal one. " LOL! But seriously, Davao is such a lovely place in so many ways, so a few extra holes on the road side does not spoil the picture. Try Costa Marina on a week day, if you do not have time for a BKK escape. It is a lovely place, and yet to be found by the hoards. Boat departures from same place as the Paradise boats.

Fuck now I too has some of me of that fucking nosebleed! Better find me that block button and block myself, GE and Skip so I can read some juicy pussy stories here in the Davao thread.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1708784]"Narrative of human actions" followed by "narrative of actions" in 2 sequential sentences.

WTF?

This is academic wanking of the highest degree SK.

I know you get your jollies from engaging in meaningless "philosophical" posts on ISG and I am sure some others enjoy playing your game (with the Thesaurus open beside them), but this is so far removed from the mongering scene in Davao that it beggars belief.

I was an academic in a previous life, and I am so thankful I was able to escape into the real world.[/QUOTE]Although I find these particular comments unnecessarily harsh and personal, I have always appreciated your participation in conversations about conditions in the Philippines.

I believe that conflict can be a resource for growth. Social and economic issues rarely get addressed without conflict, and individuals, marriages, and families grow when issues of conflict are brought into the light of day and dealt with. But not all forms of conflict are equal. Some are constructive, some are not. When people debate ideas and competing points of view and varied experiences are held up against each other, good outcomes often arise. There is evidence to support the trite notion that two heads are better than one, even though the underlying debates can be contentious and time consuming. Affective conflict, on the other hand—such as attacking a person's identity or identity groups to which they belong—takes a harsher interpersonal tack, leading to greater animosity and further conflict. For that reason, when I disagree with another person, I try to make a point to frame my disagreement toward their ideas rather than their racial, ethnic, religious, ideological, sexual orientation, gender, professional or other identities. Civility is marked by attacking the ideas of those we disagree with rather than their personhood.

As I indicated to Barba several posts ago, it was just a matter of time until somebody raised questions about whether our discussion belonged in any ISG thread. But wouldn't it have been more constructive to say: "I think this is really off topic and not of much interest to most people on the forum"? It's also very easy merely to scroll to other posts or threads or to put me on ignore if you find my posts tiresome.

As to the real world, I have gotten a little dirt under my fingernails during my lifetime. I have worked as a dishwasher, cook, carpenter, sheetrocker, painter, truck driver, swimming pool construction worker, grocery clerk, meat cutter, community educator, counselor, and high school teacher. At one time I was a union worker in a Chrysler Corporation factory, and in another factory I did tool and die work in conjunction with machine setup for manufacturing various kinds of large threaded rod products (I. E. , very large bolts). I have made public service announcements and, yes, read poetry on public radio. I have done the electrical wiring and plumbing for an entire house. I have poured, screeded, and troweled concrete, done bricklaying, and laid and mortared my share of concrete blocks. I have spent time working with men in crisis because they or a loved one had been raped. I have worked with boys struggling with their sexual identities after having been sexually abused or raped. I have supervised several levels of other folks working with kids in juvenile incarceration, which gave me a lot of exposure to cops, lawyers, judges, and angry, dysfunctional parents. I served in my country's Vietnam era army as a clerk typist, a medical corpsman, and later a company grade officer. I was discharged as a first lieutenant about a month shy of my 22nd birthday, and then went to college. I still carry all of these experiences in everything I think and do, and my "real world" now involves quite a bit of time in slums and squatter communities in the Philippines. I enjoy doing it because I learn from it. I think many people in this forum have similar experience-rich backgrounds, and it is not helpful to reduce anybody to a single attribute in order to justify your judgments about them.

Forty years ago I worked alongside factory and construction workers who resisted having to wear steel-toed shoes, shatterproof glasses, and hardhats. Our supervisors continuously tried to pump us up to detest "OSHA" (Occupational Safety and Health Administration), the great boogeyman creating all the stupidity. "Government overreach and nannyism," they told us, "it just takes money out of workers' pockets. " They didn't want us thinking for ourselves, because some of us understood it was for our own good, and that it was their profits rather than our wages that really mattered to them. Barricades, flashing caution lights, and detour signage around road construction hazards are like hardhats and safety glasses: getting there involves pushing and shoving, arm-twisting, taking them to court, replacing the political cronies who protect their status quo. The people who hold the reins don't go easily. So, despite the wonky sound, worker and motorist safety will eventually rise in the Philippines from a "narrative of action. " The taken-for-granted assumption that these safety precautions ought to be in place around road construction is a narrative, and the steps in forcing the hands of those in power are the actions that lead to narrative change. If you don't like the words or placing them in quotations, please suggest a simpler way to say this. I take your point that my writing was clumsy.

I presume you have contemplated that a much more powerful narrative underlies the work of folks in this forum who do development consulting. The development narrative has an up and a down. Global North and its values are up, the Global South and its state of "underdevelopment" are down. Setting aside normative judgments about good and bad, superiority and inferiority, I note that this narrative provides a lot of power, and therefore economic benefits, to those (including me), who can claim expertise in the narrative. I will not belabor this point, except to say that the narrative also plays to the favor of mongers in their pursuit of Filipinas. By whatever name we want to call them, narratives do matter.

In deference to your concern with over-philosophizing I will spare you from any further talk of narratives.

Skip, I appreciate the discourse. You make a series of interesting points, but as you suggest, I'm not sure how much interest they will elicit from members here. I do want to take a paragraph or two to discuss your notion of conflict as a pre-requisite to change, and as a firm believe in Hegel's dialectics, I certainly don't disagree.

My experience here however suggests not only that meaningful conflict is largely absent, but that there's little possibility of the requisite social / intellectual friction arising any time in the foreseeable future. I'm not speaking here of intermittent armed conflict, motivated largely by greed, corruption and the struggle for political supremacy on the part of a family or clan. I mean ideological or intellectual conflict based on more abstract notions of human rights, social goods, or a sense of justice. The fact is that there's so little collective social consciousness here, so little concern on the part of the body politic, or the average citizen with the development of the country, that the possibility of true, country-wide collective action--of provoking a change in the national narrative if you will--is small ineed. I think it's recognizing the implausibility of changing the narrative that's the genius of the political class here, or perhaps it's just that meaningful social change isn't possible in an archipelago with lousy transportation, poor communications, and a large population focused on subsistence, and a national identity whose embodiment is a boxer.

This is, as has been pointed out by local and international economists, one of the most unequal societies in Asia, and until that changes; until there's a momentum for meaningful change from the disenfranchised, the possibility for meaningful change is scant.

GE.

[QUOTE=SkipKost;1709332]Although I find these particular comments unnecessarily harsh and personal, I have always appreciated your participation in conversations about conditions in the Philippines.

<SNIP. . >

But wouldn't it have been more constructive to say: "I think this is really off topic and not of much interest to most people on the forum"? It's also very easy merely to scroll to other posts or threads or to put me on ignore if you find my posts tiresome.

[/QUOTE]I apologize SK if my comments were interpreted as "unnecessarily harsh and personal'; I can see why you might think like that even if that was not my primary intent.

I posted at the end of a work day in which I had been dealing with some very real issues related to filipino bureaucracy that were not "academic" but very real. My fuse was short.

Personally, if I was to invest so much time, thought and energy in developing, analyzing and then posting my thoughts on the paradox that is The Philippines, I would post my ideas on a forum, at a conference or in a journal where the exchange of ideas might be with actual decision-makers who might actually care or be in a position to do something.

I suggest that ISG is not that place, but you're right. I should just ignore and scroll on to other posts that interest me more rather than bothering you and others with my shallow ideas and criticisms.

[QUOTE=Barba;1708920]Fuck now I too has some of that fucking nosebleed! Better find me that block button and block myself, GE and Skip....<Snip>[/QUOTE]Don't block yourself man, I for one enjoy that type of posting. It does have to do with sex because for me, that's the only reason to live here. And living here it's helpful to, as Roll Aides puts it, "try to grok Philippine psychology". I was kinda surprised to see you say that RK, as long as you've been here, I thought you would find it interesting. Allot of big words though. It reminds me of the time it took four months to read Eamonn Fington's In The Jaws Of The Dragon.

[QUOTE=Barba;1708920]<Snip>..... so I can read some juicy pussy stories here in the Davao thread.[/QUOTE]OK. Met this one shopping in a little store. She's never had any experience with a foreigner, so it took some work to get her to my place. She was freaked out in the elevator, and even more freaked out in my room when I started kissing her. Even though I wasn't pushing her, she just wasn't comfortable so I let her go. Took a few months of texting, but finally got her to come back. Next meet I got her dress pulled up over her bra and got a peek at her breasts, and my face in her lap, but fully clothed. She cancelled our next meet and wasn't available for a week of more. Finally she wanted to meet because she had some news for me. I saw it coming, she was going to be too busy from now on.

Well, she shows up wearing tight pants, even though she knows the rule she's allowed to wear a dress every time. So I laid her on the bed and said look Sweetheart, here's the deal. I don't expect sex from you, and I'm not going to push you. We can go as slow or as fast as you want. Oh ya, and I can not make a baby. She says, "Huh? But why?" I asked her if she knows what a vasectomy is, and she did. So she proceeds to tell me her two big issues. 1. She's not ready for a baby yet. (Smart girl) Issue 1 solved. 2. She says "My friend says foreigners have.... Well, you know....". I said Big penis? She said "Ya, do you?" I said you see that big Acacia stump out there? That's it. Then she said "do you drive real fast?" I said I can drive as fast or as slow as you want. She said "How long do you drive before you shoot?" I said maybe 30 seconds. Then I unbuttoned my pants and shoved her hand down. I said now squeeze it as tight as you can. "Like that?" No, harder! Now harder. You can't hurt it, squeeze it as tight as you can. Now shake it as fast as you can. Act like you're trying to kill a chicken. Ooooo! Big one! Ya baby, it's big. Then she says "Put it in, just a little". I said no. You're not ready. She said "Please, just an inch". I said no. Next time. This went on for a while. So finally she's laying on her back with her left knee bent and I was from the side. She's shaking it and beating it and trying to shove it in. She's saying "oooo. Ooo. Ya, ya, do it, do it. Please. I love that when you do that... Please". She's all wet and juicy. So finally I just gave it a shove, and pop! Almost three quarters of the way down. It was so damn funny, I'm just looking at the side of her face. She's got this huge smile as she's "ooo. Ooo... Ya, ya, sheet" She was so proud she was finally getting drilled from a foreigner.

Since she's a big thick girl, next time she came, I wanted to make sure she had something to tell her friends about. So just for kicks I dropped about 100 MG of sidenafil. Got behind her and gave her the full treatment. It's funny, after that she still wanted to come, but never more than once a week. She said she's worried about getting something. I can't remember what the hell she called it, but it's the bisaya word for beef curtains.

"GE, your such a cynic. Smiley. Personally I think Melville was wrong and that there is some sort of meaning or reason to all this. We are just too dumb to see or understand it. An ant can not grasp the anthill, yet he contributes unknowingly. ".

No cynic I my friend. I think to a large extent we create our own realities, and for the most part, I'm comfortable with mine. I have been reflecting a bit on the perceptions of the country and the people of the guys who visit here briefly, several of whom have commented that the only saving grace of the place is the availability and sexuality of the women. While I freely admit the allure of young, available Filipinas, the latter is not, for many of us who live here, the country's only attraction and I'm sorry if I've contributed to the creation of that impression.

I would imagine that most short-term visitors here, who understandably fixate on available young women, meet a highly skewed sample of Filipinos. That fact is however, that there is a plethora of highly intelligent, well educated, informed, upper middle class Filipinos who are interesting, inquisitive, well traveled and worth meeting. I was thinking about this on Saturday night during a discussion with a couple whom we often see at our favorite restaurant. He's a physician, she's a partner in a very successful architectural firm and they are, in many respects, not much different from any successful couple I'd meet in New York. Are they "typical" of most Filipinos the average visitor would meet by chance? Hardly. Neither however are they an anomaly. I'm sure that RK in particular can relate to this as I know the circles within which he moves professionally here. It's no more accurate to characterize Filipinos based on the bar girls one meets than it is to generalize about Americans on the basis of the red necks and greed mongers who seem to dominate US politics at the moment.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1709900]I would imagine that most short-term visitors here, who understandably fixate on available young women, meet a highly skewed sample of Filipinos. That fact is however, that there is a plethora of highly intelligent, well educated, informed, upper middle class Filipinos who are interesting, inquisitive, well traveled and worth meeting. I was thinking about this on Saturday night during a discussion with a couple whom we often see at our favorite restaurant. He's a physician, she's a partner in a very successful architectural firm and they are, in many respects, not much different from any successful couple I'd meet in New York. Are they "typical" of most Filipinos the average visitor would meet by chance? Hardly. Neither however are they an anomaly.
GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks for writing this, GE. I strongly echo this view, and I hope those who read it approach the place and its people with an open mind and keep it that way. (It's a pity GE's comment is in one of the less-active sections.).

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1709900] ...<Snip> While I freely admit the allure of young, available Filipinas, the latter is not, for many of us who live here, the country's only attraction and I'm sorry if I've contributed to the creation of that impression....<Snip> [/QUOTE]I don't think you've contributed to that impression. But I think I made a poor choice of words when I wrote (sex) is the only reason I live here, because that's not true. Rather that allure would have to be high on the list of any place I'd choose to live. I've traveled allot of the country and seen the beauty of the nature and the people. Every time I feel like packing it up and going home I just can't seem to do it.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1710004]Thanks for writing this, GE. I strongly echo this view, and I hope those who read it approach the place and its people with an open mind and keep it that way. (It's a pity GE's comment is in one of the less-active sections.).[/QUOTE]I hope so too. And I enjoy reading the posts about the politics, hardships, seemingly hopelessness of some things, spirituality, and all that kind of stuff. It's interesting as someone living here, and may even help some guys lurching and contemplating where to go "live their dream". Davao and other cities are seeing allot more foreigners. When things aren't the way they think they ought to be, I've seen them shoot their mouths off and disrespect people. So it's not good for anyone. The visitor is unhappy and the Filipinos are asking why don't they just leave if they don't like it. It takes a certain type of person to live here, it isn't for everyone. Thank you guys for all your posts.

This post has nothing to do with Davao, but seems related to some of the recent discussion. SOrry.

An article at the Huffington Post website is so obviously slanted I had to check the date to make sure it wash't an April Fools joke. Here is the line I enjoyed the most, "It is a peaceful land and there is a well respected law prohibiting the honking of horns, so even a rush hour in lines and rows of cars still seems somewhat peaceful.".

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-decastro/philippines-modern-histor_b_7082250.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592[/URL]

[QUOTE=XMan;1710259]An article at the Huffington Post website is so obviously slanted I had to check the date to make sure it wash't an April Fools joke. [/QUOTE]To the Filipinos' credit many of their comments express disbelief.

[QUOTE]But say you're visiting us for the first time, and let's just assume, you based your visit ENTIRELY on this article alone. How would you, the first time visitor to the Philippines, feel upon finding out that almost none of this is true, or at best, partially true? I mean, please don't get me wrong. I love the Pinas as much as any other Filipino. But you have to draw the line of reality somewhere.[/QUOTE]

[quote]LOL it looks like this article is written for Tourism purposes only. You want me to summarize the real Philippines? It is not a paradise at all, that is it is full of problems that you would normally expect from a developing country. Traffic, over population, pollution, prostitutes, thieves, poverty....But do not take this bad sides to be the whole of the Philippines. There is more to see in the country side. Beautiful spots and sceneries, friendly happy people. So many ways to have adventure. If you are looking for a place to see luxury and experience comfort..don't go to the Philippines. But if you want simple natural beauty and adventure and experience a different culture, well, it is the place to be!![/quote]

[QUOTE]As a Filipino who cares always for the truth, I'd say Ms.Melissa DeCastro's write-up about the Philippines contains some exaggerations. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1710259]This post has nothing to do with Davao, but seems related to some of the recent discussion. SOrry.

An article at the Huffington Post website is so obviously slanted I had to check the date to make sure it wash't an April Fools joke. Here is the line I enjoyed the most, "It is a peaceful land and there is a well respected law prohibiting the honking of horns, so even a rush hour in lines and rows of cars still seems somewhat peaceful.".

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-decastro/philippines-modern-histor_b_7082250.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592[/URL][/QUOTE]Many times, even in the dead of night, I've stood on my balcony and tried to count to 10 without hearing a horn honking. Impossible.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1711086]Many times, even in the dead of night, I've stood on my balcony and tried to count to 10 without hearing a horn honking. Impossible.[/QUOTE]I would also do this if I had a balcony.

Arrived back home in Davao yesterday from Manila, and was giving a friend a ride to his house a bit beyond Damosa when I noticed a large sign proclaiming the new site of the Dusit Thani Davao. Once completed the Dusit will immediately become the number one hotel here I suppose, and the first real five star hotel in the city. Evidently the new complex will include both residences and a hotel, somewhat similar I suppose, to the Fairmont / Raffles complex in Makati. Hopefully, the place will also include a decent Thai restaurant.

GE.

Marina Tuna is a perfect location to visit and eat seafood. It is close Waterfront Insular Hotel (about 1 km) opposite side of the same road. If you like seafood, you may really like the place.

I stayed there again. Very friendly and professional service. Also they do have meetings in the hotel on the conference rooms and you may have a chance to meet professional Pinays. It is also next to the mall and you have access to most of the stuff you may like.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1731324]I stayed there again. Very friendly and professional service. Also they do have meetings in the hotel on the conference rooms and you may have a chance to meet professional Pinays. It is also next to the mall and you have access to most of the stuff you may like.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with the Seda. I stayed at the Seda in CDO and it was fine. However, it's a 3 star hotel by any reasonable standard. The Dusit however, will be the first real 5 star in Davao and it's interesting to me that the corporation's market research must suggest that there will be a sufficient number of guests seeking that level of service.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1731479]Nothing wrong with the Seda. I stayed at the Seda in CDO and it was fine. However, it's a 3 star hotel by any reasonable standard. The Dusit however, will be the first real 5 star in Davao and it's interesting to me that the corporation's market research must suggest that there will be a sufficient number of guests seeking that level of service.

GE.[/QUOTE]Location, location and location. If Dusit will be close to any mall, maybe I may consider staying. But for mongering reasons, Seda was more than enough. Apparently Seda was designed to be a Marriott but Marriott pulled out after some attacks on their branded hotels and they saw Davao City as a risky location.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1732119]Location, location and location. If Dusit will be close to any mall, maybe I may consider staying. But for mongering reasons, Seda was more than enough. Apparently Seda was designed to be a Marriott but Marriott pulled out after some attacks on their branded hotels and they saw Davao City as a risky location.[/QUOTE]Dusit will be within a 5-10 minute drive of both Abreeza and SM Premier, but not within reasonable walking distance. I'm surprised about the original designation of Seda as a Marriott since first, it's not luxurious enough and second, Seda appears to have an arrangement with Ayala to locate adjacent to Ayala malls. Not sure what different proximity of a hotel to a major mall makes in Davao, but to each his own.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1732171]Dusit will be within a 5-10 minute drive of both Abreeza and SM Premier, but not within reasonable walking distance. I'm surprised about the original designation of Seda as a Marriott since first, it's not luxurious enough and second, Seda appears to have an arrangement with Ayala to locate adjacent to Ayala malls. Not sure what different proximity of a hotel to a major mall makes in Davao, but to each his own.

GE.[/QUOTE]Sir, you write that you travel weekly from Manila to Davao. What is the attraction of Davao? Do you want to escape the hustle and bustle of Manila for the weekend?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1732206]Sir, you write that you travel weekly from Manila to Davao. What is the attraction of Davao? Do you want to escape the hustle and bustle of Manila for the weekend?[/QUOTE]I'm afraid a full explanation would be long winded and fairly boring. Suffice it so say that I originally came to Davao for work-related purposes, and stayed at that job for about ten years, during which time I developed a life here, with networks of relationships, and I got to know the city well. Circumstances have changed, and the locus of my work life is now in Manila, though most of my other interests remain embedded in Davao. Another factor that influences my decision to remain here is that I don't much like Manila. Granted that Makati, where I stay when I'm there, is, in many respects a true international city, but the time spent wasted in traffic, the inadequacy of the infrastructure, and the almost total lack of efficient public transportation detract, in their aggregate, from the quality of life, which for me is higher in Davao. Succinctly, the concatenation of negative factors in Manila is higher than in Davao, and I've been in Davao for quite a while and feel a sense of belonging here whereas life in Metro Manila is simply too much of a hassle.

GE.

What mall? Can you provide a URL? Pics?

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1731324]I stayed there again. Very friendly and professional service. Also they do have meetings in the hotel on the conference rooms and you may have a chance to meet professional Pinays. It is also next to the mall and you have access to most of the stuff you may like.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1732398]What mall? Can you provide a URL? Pics?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.sedahotels.com/abreeza/location.php[/URL]

Next to Ayala mall.

Thank you. I read your message and didn't notice the name of the hotel in the Title. My bad.

Looks like a nice place.

[QUOTE=CharlieHorse;1732491][URL]http://www.sedahotels.com/abreeza/location.php[/URL]

Next to Ayala mall.[/QUOTE]

It is next to Abreezia / Ayala Mall.

[QUOTE=XMan;1732398]What mall? Can you provide a URL? Pics?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1732171]Dusit will be within a 5-10 minute drive of both Abreeza and SM Premier, but not within reasonable walking distance. I'm surprised about the original designation of Seda as a Marriott since first, it's not luxurious enough and second, Seda appears to have an arrangement with Ayala to locate adjacent to Ayala malls. Not sure what different proximity of a hotel to a major mall makes in Davao, but to each his own.

GE.[/QUOTE]If you stayed in Cebu Marriott, Seda makes is like a Ritz Carlton. I think Marriott is too easy on the franchise operators in Philippines.

Hey folks,

I am an older man and so I like to take a beer and have some "nude looking fun" in a girlie bar.

Like full nude striptease or just full nude dancers.

Any tips welcome for Davao but also for other Philippine cities.

Please streets or bar names.

[QUOTE=Retgilpo;1737783]Hey folks,

I am an older man and so I like to take a beer and have some "nude looking fun" in a girlie bar.

Like full nude striptease or just full nude dancers.

Any tips welcome for Davao but also for other Philippine cities.

Please streets or bar names.[/QUOTE]Full nude bars are rare, but the HOT LEGS bars are still going strong in Davao City!

The bar opposite HL on Palma Gil is better. Prettier girls. They show the beaver.

Yes Barba, you are correct. It's directly opposite HL, being Hot Legs Super Nite Club. . So says the sign. Your local field agent went in for a look this Thursday night at 11:30. I stuck my head into a well lit, super loud place with two very large girls in bikinis on stage, and did a 180 before the door even closed. The guy outside said there were a dozen or so inside. So I thought it over for a while and, determined to get a report, went back in.

I must say, it was a pleasant surprise. I had a seat on the couch very close to the left of the stage. There was a new pair up and the one closest to me was a doll. Great little frame, and pretty as can be. Nice dancer with black bra and panties and a tight, see though black top. The other was sexy too, dressed the same and probably neither had babies. Neither undressed further. She stopped to introduce herself as she left the stage, nice girl.

Next up was a super gwapa--very pretty face. Shorter, a bit thicker, the butt was a little chubby but damn, she was hot. Soon the top came off to reveal a gorgeous pair of size B breasts. Soon the panties came off, and the other one was naked by then too. She was pretty damn hot also, both pretty good dancers. I was just thinking that if I was in a pinch, I'd love to take her out. She left the stage the other direction, must not have felt the same.

Both of the next pair were sexy and pretty too, and they took it all off. After that I think it was the first one back up, but now in red. Neither took it off again. Then it got louder, and a Filipino favorite that I happen to hate came on, so that was all I could take.

I'll just mention that although they were mostly sexy and pretty, they all had some type of funk in their butts that I can't quite describe. If you're one of these real ass guys, you probably ought to look elsewhere.

Separately, does anyone know where I can pick up some lube in Davao? No petroleum, obviously, KY or whatever? That place with the toys in Victoria is gone now. Imagine that. Something that was good, and available yesterday is all of a sudden gone today. I'm having a little problem. I have a GF that's too tight so it's not that much fun. I'll spare you the details, but I been using extra virgin olive oil on her. Works pretty good, but the smell freaks her out a bit so she don't like it.

Thanks.

Did you see a girl with big knockers? I would say heavy see or even the. Lovely little butt. I fell asleep between her legs licking (drooling on) her pussy, during the night day of my previous visit. Not a good end to an excellent start of a marvelous trip.

There is a pharmacy close to theé Morvie on Claveria. They sold me KY some months ago. Now why would Barba buy KY in the proximity of theé Morvie on Claveria one could ask himself?

Elementary my dear Fuckson. Ass cherry.

Although I have been to Davao many times before I have never ventured into the bar scene.

Based upon intel sourced here I ventured out to HL1, HL3 and Ms. I (the bar opposite HL1 mentioned by Sam14 below).

In HL1 I was swarmed by girls (which I detest) and when I made it clear was not buying drinks was left alone. But gave up after 1 beer and left. HL1 was quite small and not that appealing.

Tried Ms. I across the road. More run down but I thought better looking girls although I still got swarmed. There was one quite cute girl who danced who then returned to the VIP room. Told she had been working only a few days.

Left and tried HL3. I actually ran into a girl there I had previously met in Cebu mango bars. This place was even more run down but larger than HL1. Saw the shower show which is unique. A couple of the Filipino customers paid the 200? Pesos to have a grope of the shower girl. Sat with the ex Cebu girl and she told me mostly Filipino customers in HL3.

The next night went back to Ms. I to see if could catch the cute girl. She was free and tried their VIP room with the cute girl and her friend. 1600 for 1 hour including 4 beers for customer and 4 ladies drinks. I ended up only drinking 2 beers and the girls had the 4 ladies drinks plus the extra 2 beers (don't know how they don't get fat!) Happy to chat and they sang. I am sure could have negotiated more with one girl but the cute girl said she was lesbian and had promised her girlfriend she would do drinks only. Overall though had a good time with them.

Would highly recommend Ms. I (there is no sign outside they just told me the name). Thanks Sam14 for the tip.

I recently learned that there is curfew in that city, I'm about to go there and got worry if and how curfew is enforced, bars and everything else closing at midnight or so? How about walking around after dark?

Many thanks, I read this forum for while and nobody ever mention that.

You can walk any time. No problems.

Ok, we've learned about conflict avoidance. Forensic cleanup, transfer rooms when yours smells like sex, cellphone passcode lock, etc. Even covered advanced measures like turning off screen notices.

So how else could one use his CP to blow his love life eight ways from hell? Here you go:

A little background first for context. I didn't come from sex prison, I had a good life in my place. So when I moved to the Philippines it was for quality over quantity, and I don't mean conversation. I like it as close to the north of 18 as possible, and near virgin as possible, with preferably 1-2 previous pokes. But at that point in life, the typical Davaoeña is too busy "focusing on her studies", or whatever else they're programmed to focus on. It's like it's in their DNA. So I have over 1,500 messages from different numbers I haven't deleted, with over 500 I haven't even bothered to read. Because that's at least how many I've tried at, with maybe 2-5% success.

So all that is just to say it's taken a long time and a lot of fight to arrive at what keeps me off the streets lately. They're two top shelf gals that I'm quite fond of. We'll call them Angel, 19 and Joy 18. Angel has been coming to me for a year and a half. She could win a Nobel Prize for perfect vagina, and just small and cute as can be. Joy isn't quite as pretty, but she's the newest one, just one month in and previously virgin. She's exotic, loving, and just happens to be wild in bed. Then, just for kicks, I been working on Sai Sai, 18, virgin still, and almost too shy to talk. Only because she's chocolate black, and that's what I really want.

Ok, so here's how it's done: Wake up, grab the CP and type "Hai Baby. How many minutes until you leave?" Then press "send". Aw fuck! It was intended for Joy, (the newest one), but you just sent it to Angel, your best Old Faithful, you stupid fuck. Fuck! It's Friday and she knows she's not coming until Sunday. Fuck me!! Ok, damage control mode:

Sam: "jaja. Sorry Baby, wrong type. That was copy and paste from last time. Haha. Good morning Baby".

Angel: Oppppps. You have another baby? Ok.

Sam: Jaja. No Sweetheart. That's copy and paste from last time. Sorry.

Angel: Lier );.

Sam: No Baby.

Angel: );.

That's it. She's gone. No more text.

Ok, lesson learned. Mental note: Going to have to be extremely careful in the future. Maybe post a heads up on ISG.

Later that night, sleepy after a hard day with Joy. Jai Jai (the hopeless virgin) is bored and texting every 5 minutes from her work. Yet blowing off my offer to go visit her at her work. Ok, About time to put an end to this silly texting game. Send message: "Ok, never mind. I promised you I'd never try to force you into anything you don't want to do. That includes now. Take care Sai Sai". . Send. Fuck!. Just sent it to Joy. The one I just spent all day with. Fuck me! Fuck fuck.

Sam: jajaja. Sorry Baby, wrong text. You didn't reply to my earlier text, I was trying to copy and paste. That was a copy from long time ago. I gave up with her a long time ago.

Joy: your wrong sent? How nice message huh!!

Sam: No Baby, not like that. That was copy and paste from before. Bla bla bla.

She's smarter than to buy that load of crap. Now she's gone too. For a while, anyway.

Filipinas have a remarkable sense of forgiveness. I hope these two do. Because if not, I'm back to square one. Burnt out, a shy virgin that's light years away, and a bunch of phone numbers. . And I hate texting.

Just check before you hit send.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1751399]Ok, we've learned about conflict avoidance. Forensic cleanup, transfer rooms when yours smells like sex, cellphone passcode lock, etc. Even covered advanced measures like turning off screen notices.

Just check before you hit send.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I did a similar thing in Thailand. Instead of my picture, I sent a naked picture of a Pinay Thai girl had a good understand and everything went OK. But it was a close call.

Made a quick trip to Davao last month unfortunately during Kadayawan festival.

Marco Polo was too expensive at 5500 per night so stayed at Seda Abreeza for 3650 per night. Still expensive. Given they advertise that price on their TV screen at check in I assume they don't really discount or escalate their price based upon occupancy. Brand new hotel, not bad but still prefer if same price the Marco Polo. Tiled room floors which I don't like. However I would highly recommend their 2 hour all you can drink wine offer at 680 pesos in the lobby restaurant. In 2 hours I knocked back 6 glasses of quite good wines (mostly Australian). Had a choice of 3 reds and 3 whites. Virtually every wine type they were breaking the seal of the bottle so not sure there are many people using the offer. Checking their website, their 2 hour unlimited cocktails at 580 pesos is still advertised but not their wine offer. So maybe they have pulled it. If not I will definitely visit again even if staying at Marco Polo (where their wine prices in the lobby lounge are insane).

6 wines is a bit too much for me at my age so destroyed all female related activities. And on that front nothing exciting to report in Davao as I was just seeing a regular there.

Though I've eaten at the White House several times, it had been at least a year until I returned last night. I had almost forgotten what a beautiful place it is, and the setting alone well justifies what are, for Davao, fairly steep prices. For those who don't know the place, it occupies a totally refurbished, wooden villa constructed in the early 20th century by an American businessman. The thecor is lovely as is the outdoor terrace which sits in the middle of perfectly tended gardens.

The food is eclectic, and best described I guess as Japanese-French fusion, and the combinations of ingredients are unusual. The food is beautifully plated but not by any means outstanding. In fact, the quality of the cuisine is far better at Bon Apptit and De Bonte Koe, though the White House is the most attractive, romantic restaurant in the city. Dinner for two, including a decent, but unremarkable California Merlot was just shy of $100, which is about what one would pay at Bon Apptit, though with a better wine at the latter.

The Italian restaurant Pico Bello has re-opened in a new location. I tried it two weeks ago, and it continues to serve well prepared, moderately priced Italian food with a decent selection of Italian wines from Swiss Deli with shares a common ownership with this place. Much of the restaurant seating is on a roofed, outdoor terrace on the second floor of a two story shopping center directly across the road from Monte Ritz. The value for money here is quite good and a decent dinner for two with wine can be eaten for about $40-45.

GE.

26 Aug, 2015.

I flew from Cebu to Davao with Air Asia. Very good service. Only decent hotel online I could find was "Crown Regency Villas" due to an ongoing convention in city. I checked into the hotel and checked out in next 5 minutes. It was a nasty place. Luckily I found a room at Park Inn after a cancellation. But I not for the next night. The lady whom I supposed to meet came and picked me up and took me to Park Inn. I met her on DIA and she supposed to be a 32 yrs old in broadcast industry. She is a 9 and mother of 2 and divorced. We went to Marina Seafood Restaurant and jeez, everybody knew her. All the politicians and staff keep coming and talking to this local celebrity. I felt a little bit weird since I was just there to play. After the dinner we went to Matina Square and a coffee shop. Everything was the same. I was with a local celebrity and I felt uncomfortable. It is amazing whom you may meet on DIA. But we spent the night together and I bailed out to Manila next day via Air Asia. Great experience but it was overloaded. We are still communicating but I had to cool it down.

Spent another 5 days this past August in Davao and for the first time in the Phils outside of AC had plenty of free time as my main lady fell through and all my plan "be" girls were short term anyway.

I spent some time trolling at the Malls, mostly G Mall since it was just a straight jeep jaunt from my hotel. I hit up 3 Mall employee girls who seemed willing and promising, but full time working girls in simple legitimate jobs are really not a good target for short time visitors. They work virtually everyday and corporate type employers like Malls restrict the girls use of cellfones (a must from a productivity standpoint) so its hard to keep in touch for a meet up.

My better success was with a mall patron and 2 random wechat girls. Wechat is a real crapshoot its mostly gays posing. I have met 5 girls from there the last two Phils visits this year. 3 led to sex although none were anything I would have chose from a bar or off the street or in a cam random chat.

One thing I have noticed after a year of visiting this site is that alot of the difference in viewpoints is because many of the posters here actually live in the Phils or spend long periods in one place.

Thats a whole different dynamic and comes with a completely different and mostly opposite set of issues and challenges and would require a different approach to mongering than a short time visitor. If one actually lives there, for a relatively fit average foriegner finding free willing girls would be like shooting fish in a barrel and the main concern would be in avoiding trouble which would be plenty to anyone with visible roots there.

The long time multi thousand posters who live in the Phils (god give them strength) mostly have issues and advice which is useless to those of us who visit frequently but stay for short bursts in different places. The malls were definitely fertile hunting ground but with only a few days to exploit I will stick to my strategy of having girls set up in advance. I am like a sailor on shore leave in the Phils on vacation and would prefer not to sleep alone there and want sex everyday and night frankly. Wechat is a good new addition to the arsenal, I have found and hour perusing that site in AC and Davao recently have brought girls to my room quickly although none would be ones to brag about looks wise, they were more interesting conversationally as they tended to be older than what my eyes will choose. Since coming home I have kept in touch with some of the mall workers so something may come of it one day though I doubt it.

I had some very interesting circumstances at one hotel where two of the young housekeepers left thier CP numbers scribbled on notes on my desk. Both turned out to be virgins 18 and 22 and the executive housekeeper actually was egging them on. Usually a random note would have just caused trouble as I am usually not alone and that would take some splaining to my GF but this time it worked out as I was alone. I had a day date with one at the mall and the other was like a scared rabbit so nothing of substance came out of it but it fed the ego of a middleaged man like me. Later when a coworker informed the mall date that I brought a girl to my room that killed the relationship with the virgin. Its amazing how a girls there can buy the illusion that a single lone man can plauasably roam the Phils without random sex to begin with.

Alot of the disagreements here stem from different circumstances. Those on a budget versus those on an expense account with money to burn. Some who virtually live there versus those who are there short term or the first time. Some who want porn stars and some who want girls next door like me. Its all about perspective and personal tastes.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1751399]

So how else could one use his CP to blow his love life eight ways from hell? Here you go:


Filipinas have a remarkable sense of forgiveness. I hope these two do. Because if not, I'm back to square one. Burnt out, a shy virgin that's light years away, and a bunch of phone numbers. . And I hate texting.

Just check before you hit send.[/QUOTE]Whilst its not any consolation, weve all been there and done that.

And once in a drunken haze sent a message to my good friend asking where was the latest / greatest place for a quickie massage with BJ. Only it wasnt sent to good friend. Was sent to a sister in law. Ouch!

It's been many years since I've visited Davao. I had pretty good success with ladies I met online. I did hook up with one gal in the mall who was working at a children's toy kiosk. Ah, lots of good memories.

You've made many interesting comments in your post. In the quote below, I'm referring to your last sentence. I think this is best explained by the particular Asian version of "saving face". She is probably aware that Westerners commonly score with much younger attractive women. She works in a hotel after all! But having her "date" messing around in front of all her colleagues probably created some degree of humiliation.

I would have considered moving to another hotel for two reasons. One, to avoid potential drama, and two, maids are typically forbidden from socializing with the guests of the hotel they work in.

Something I find inscrutable with Filipinas is that they seem concerned with the possibility that you are messing around while in the Philippines, but seem to ignore the possibility that you might have a little tush where you came from. When I arrive in Manila, my Cebu girl sends a text to say, "hope you don't get a girl there". But she never has commented or questioned me about what I might be up to in X-land.

Thanks for the interesting post Pantot. The executive housekeeper sounds like a real matchmaker. Hope you got her phone number too! X Man.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1776423]Spent another 5 days this past August in Davao and for the first time in the Phils outside of AC had plenty of free time as my main lady fell through and all my plan "be" girls were short term anyway.
SNIP
I had some very interesting circumstances at one hotel where two of the young housekeepers left thier CP numbers scribbled on notes on my desk. Both turned out to be virgins 18 and 22 and the executive housekeeper actually was egging them on. Usually a random note would have just caused trouble as I am usually not alone and that would take some splaining to my GF but this time it worked out as I was alone. I had a day date with one at the mall and the other was like a scared rabbit so nothing of substance came out of it but it fed the ego of a middleaged man like me. Later when a coworker informed the mall date that I brought a girl to my room that killed the relationship with the virgin. Its amazing how a girls there can buy the illusion that a single lone man can plauasably roam the Phils without random sex to begin with.

SNIP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pantot;1776423]
A lot of the disagreements here stem from different circumstances. Those on a budget versus those on an expense account with money to burn. Some who virtually live there versus those who are there short term or the first time. Some who want porn stars and some who want girls next door like me. Its all about perspective and personal tastes.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure about disagreements but certainly different points of view.

In Philippines there is someone (plus a few extra) for everyone. The girl that might look chubby to me, reminds the next guy of his childhood sweetheart, that girl with braces isn't for me, but the guy over there thinks she looks like his teenage daughter's best 18+ friend. All those wechat gays not for me, but for the open minded unsure individual let him decide for himself.

I was thinking about this watch the AC bar lineups. All girls are not the same. Some outgoing, some quiet, some with tummy, some with asses too skinny. There is one for everyone.

I so much want to go back to Phils ASAP. I'e been hone two days already.

Thanks for the FR.

BD.

I guess Davao isn't as safe as we thought. News stories:

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/11881362/Gunmen-kidnap-foreign-tourists-from-Philippines-resort.html[/URL]

[URL]http://heavy.com/news/2015/09/john-ridsel-robert-hall-canadians-tourists-kidnapped-gunmen-philippines-terrorists-canada-norway-norwegian-hotel-manager-holiday-oceanview-samal-resort/[/URL]

The Holiday Ocean View Samal resort is on the north tip of Samal Island. That seems odd as this location would make escape more complicated. The resort has an out of date FB page here: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Holiday-Ocean-View-Samal-177918968900532/timeline/[/URL].

[QUOTE=XMan;1777253]I guess Davao isn't as safe as we thought. News stories:

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/11881362/Gunmen-kidnap-foreign-tourists-from-Philippines-resort.html[/URL]

[URL]http://heavy.com/news/2015/09/john-ridsel-robert-hall-canadians-tourists-kidnapped-gunmen-philippines-terrorists-canada-norway-norwegian-hotel-manager-holiday-oceanview-samal-resort/[/URL]

The Holiday Ocean View Samal resort is on the north tip of Samal Island. That seems odd as this location would make escape more complicated. The resort has an out of date FB page here: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Holiday-Ocean-View-Samal-177918968900532/timeline/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Remember, Samal is not Davao. It's part of another region, and doesn't fall within the purview of the Mayor here. Still, it's a bit too close for comfort and of course the law enforcement folks here aren't among the world's most efficient as they're poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly paid.

GE.

[QUOTE=XMan;1777253]I guess Davao isn't as safe as we thought. News stories:

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/11881362/Gunmen-kidnap-foreign-tourists-from-Philippines-resort.html[/URL]

[/QUOTE]It doesn't really change the nature of Davao being a relatively safe place any more than the Dos Palmas kidnappings of over a decade ago harkened in a time of danger for that other rather tranquil place of Puerto Princessa Palawan.

Seems they are similar in the MO. Both very soft targets not known for extremist activity. Both islands off tranquil cities far from the bases of Muslim unrest. Easy to get in and out of by boat. Its not lihe anything resembling even a servicable functional coast guard is present.

The telegraph reporter was pretty uninformed and sloppy with his descriptions. While Mindanao is the home of most of the radical seperatists, Davao is far from thier bases and spheres of influence. Any reporter with a remote familiarity of the region would have noted that.

Those unfortunate foriegners got hit by lightning on a clear sunny day and likely were taken far from Davao. Doesn't change my view of the relative safety of Davao nor much of Mindanao one bit.

According to the latest reports, the 11 kidnappers and their motorized bancas so, ehow eluded Philippine naval forces (amazing) and escaped with hostages to the mountains of Davao Oriental. Given that the Navy here would be outgunned by almost anyone, and that it's most threatening weapons date from about WWII, this is hardly surprising. This will turn out to be another kidnap for ransom, likely executed on behalf of some sleazeball politician who will assist in the negotiations and pocket the takings.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1778160]According to the latest reports, the 11 kidnappers and their motorized bancas so, ehow eluded Philippine naval forces (amazing) and escaped with hostages to the mountains of Davao Oriental. Given that the Navy here would be outgunned by almost anyone, and that it's most threatening weapons date from about WWII, this is hardly surprising. This will turn out to be another kidnap for ransom, likely executed on behalf of some sleazeball politician who will assist in the negotiations and pocket the takings.

GE.[/QUOTE]And elections are coming next year GE so the cynical among us could suggest that the sleazeball politician needs more funds for his 'campaign'.

Hi guys,

Lest I be accused of not reading beforehand, I just wanted to get some kinda feedback or some pointers. So here are my bullet points haha.

1. I have read that Davao etc doesn't have much in paid entertainment, as such I have tried the online dating route, but since I don't intend to return with much frequency to the Philippines etc I have avoided the paid sites like FC or CB etc. I tried DIA, but was caught up in the anti cut and paste bots, so my account was deleted and I have been able to set up a second account due to the IP address issues.

I am currently trying badoo, okcupid and tagged. My question is it worth persevering, and how do guys deal with the anti cut and paste issue on DIA. Secondly how much luck am I going to have with mall hunting in Davao?

2. I was intending to bus it to CDO. Which I getting the message is safe, but bus-ing it to Gensan. Is currently dangerous?

I intend to spend 3 weeks in Mindanao and a week in AC / Subic on the way back, so if push comes to shove I'm happy to stay celibate for the starting 3 weeks. Is there something I'm missing out on?

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1778301]Hi guys,
I am currently trying badoo, okcupid and tagged. My question is it worth persevering, and how do guys deal with the anti cut and paste issue on DIA. Secondly how much luck am I going to have with mall hunting in Davao?
...
2. I was intending to bus it to CDO. Which I getting the message is safe, but bus-ing it to Gensan. Is currently dangerous?..[/QUOTE]Quite general questions but here we go:

1. 1. Yes, it is. It helps to have correct information in the profile and to write things that seems reasonably normal.

1. 2. You rewrite parts of the message.

1. 3. A reasonable amount of "luck", if you look and act reasonably normal.

2. A little bit, but still worth the ride.

Good luck and hope to see your report here.

All the best,

Barba

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1778301]Hi guys,

Lest I be accused of not reading beforehand, I just wanted to get some kinda feedback or some pointers. So here are my bullet points haha.

1. I have read that Davao etc doesn't have much in paid entertainment, as such I have tried the online dating route, but since I don't intend to return with much frequency to the Philippines etc I have avoided the paid sites like FC or CB etc. I tried DIA, but was caught up in the anti cut and paste bots, so my account was deleted and I have been able to set up a second account due to the IP address issues.

I am currently trying badoo, okcupid and tagged. My question is it worth persevering, and how do guys deal with the anti cut and paste issue on DIA. Secondly how much luck am I going to have with mall hunting in Davao?

2. I was intending to bus it to CDO. Which I getting the message is safe, but bus-ing it to Gensan. Is currently dangerous?

I intend to spend 3 weeks in Mindanao and a week in AC / Subic on the way back, so if push comes to shove I'm happy to stay celibate for the starting 3 weeks. Is there something I'm missing out on?[/QUOTE]I can't help much with the online hook-up services as I've never used any of them. I have noticed that there are a few good looking Davao-based women in Craigslist from time to time.

There are several pay for play bars in Davao, and I guess the best known are the three Hot Legs bars. I've not been to any of them in quite a while but they're pretty much the standard deal: bar fine and then money for the girl afterward. I'm told there's also lots of street action here near People's Park, but again I've no first hand experience.

General Santos is not dangerous, but given the condition of the buses and the recklessness of the drivers, the ride could be. I don't think the city has much to offer in the way of anything interesting. The ride to CDO by bus will take about 7 hours. It's a beautiful ride, but again the mountain roads aren't great and the buses are not always in good condition.

If you want to try your luck at the malls, go to Victoria or Gaisano. The more upscale malls, Abreeza and SM Lanang would offer you a far lower probability of success.

GE.

I can copy paste twice to DIA before they kick back. I just change a few things and then post twice more. Not sure why you got thrown off entirely. You do want to avoid using any naughty words.

If you plan to be there three weeks, consider a paid site for just a month or two. I used CB, but that was years ago. It was a gold mine!

If you have three weeks, you won't be celibate.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1778301]Hi guys,

Lest I be accused of not reading beforehand, I just wanted to get some kinda feedback or some pointers. So here are my bullet points haha.

123 SNIP

I intend to spend 3 weeks in Mindanao and a week in AC / Subic on the way back, so if push comes to shove I'm happy to stay celibate for the starting 3 weeks. Is there something I'm missing out on?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1778921]There are several pay for play bars in Davao, and I guess the best known are the three Hot Legs bars. I've not been to any of them in quite a while but they're pretty much the standard deal: bar fine and then money for the girl afterward. I'm told there's also lots of street action here near People's Park, but again I've no first hand experience.[/QUOTE]GE,

I know you do not care much but the SWs immediately around Peoples Park are few and normally not worth any attention. Mainly washed out casino hoes. You will find a hand full in the San Pedro area. Normally a couple that are quite cute and much more that would have to pay me for sex. Some in the northern parts of Pelayo and occasionally a couple on Illustre. On any given night there is a bunch on Tionko (Central Bank) and the streets around Tionko. This is the number one location for SW in Dvo. Mamasan Nit a or her sister are quite reliable providers, but be prepared to haggle. 1 K PHP is reasonable, especially late at night or weekdays. Sometimes you find a few around Ecoland terminal and SM Ecoland. Occasionally a couple around Victoria and Gaisano parking lots late hours. There are some more areas but these are out the beaten tracks, and the ones I have mentioned will be enough for most visitors desiring SWs.

It is normally always possible to find at least one reasonably attractive female in a bar, but by any comparison Hot Legs must be said to be a poor choice for bar goers. Barely worth the taxi ride, unless you are with mates and have some fun anyway. The bar opposite Hot Legs on Palm Gil is slightly better. Prettier girls. If you like big tits on a small frame you should go there. (You will know who I mean, but do not mention this board or me). You can barfine or have sex in the private rooms in more or less all bars in Dvo.

B

Barba,

Thanks for the update, I knew, as I tried to make clear in my post that my information was years old. As you know, it's been years since I've done the P4 P scene here. I've got no interest in re-immersing myself in that sort of action in this city as you know, but I'm sure other visitors here will fin the information helpful.

All the best.

GE.

I had a business trip around a year ago in Davao. Was booked in a hotel alone, so I thought I'd go for a romp about the town. Cabbie pointed me to the site. Got a pretty caramel girl who looked well, she told me she had just given birth, and that was the reason she was working. Unfortunately, I don't remember her name, nor the cost for her time, but it was around the ballpark of 2 k for 2 pops. And I remember having been amazed by the face and the body on her. Really pretty Filipino, with ample breasts, and dark nipples (just the way I like them). I regret that I wasn't able to get her number. Then again, maybe it's a good thing. Might create more problems than relief if one gets too attached.

I'm looking for a furnished apartment in Davao city from March to September 2016 - 6 months.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Sebans;1836837]I'm looking for a furnished apartment in Davao city from March to September 2016 - 6 months.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I stayed here for 2 months, very happy with it: [URL]http://junanddellapartment.com/[/URL].

Comparing Manila to Davao city:

Davao city has much more "fresh air", the traffic is not bad, and the distance to relevant places quite short.

Girls really willing to meet in Davao (from FC), so they have no problem coming to my apartment (from the link above) BUT it hadn't been as easy as people made it seem to have sex with these girls.

I have every day 3 to 4 girls on my bed, next to me, and I was kissing them etc, yet they are so shy they just get into some shocked mode and say "next time, next time". I have maybe only got laid with 25% of the girls I met, and I did not go blatantly offering cash for sex as some people do where they make it clear it is that was in their messages because the best girls tend to block such clear attempts. So in Manila, especially since the girls are much more about money than Davao, getting laid is more "sure". Even girls who are 27 and higher in Davao could be virgin (found a couple) or stopped sex after 1 or 2 times because of a bad boyfriend, so not much experience. Also, they tend to not have tried simple things like BJ or sex in positions other than missionary.

However, girls in Davao are definitely more beautiful than Manila. I like light skinned Asian but in Davao they have a skin color that is exactly the same as if suntanned and sun kissed nicely. Also, their boobs are bigger than in Manila, so it's much easier to find girls with nice medium full sizes. It's also easier to find girls who don't have a baby yet (of course many teenage moms in Davao, but also many girls until 25 with no babies).

The asses and lips are definitely nicer too, and more bubble butts. Davao girls look more like Indonesians than the Manila girls, and they have a lot more curves.

The faces too are much more attractive than Manila girls, their noses are nicer. Of course, I am talking here "on average". The high end $$ Manila girls are of course top shelf, so they cannot be compared to the normal population, but those need much more cash to get.

Also, I think the high end Manila girls are superior because they can be so good in bed. I mean compared to a Davao girls who never tried BJ in her life, the top shelf Manila girls who can deepthroat and swallow your load and lick your ass are a much much happier experience than "babysitting" a shy cute girl into her first penis-in-mouth experience.

I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1847312]I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.[/QUOTE]This is sad news. I always read his info, which was enlightening. Did you hear of the cause of death?

Respectfully,

Full count.

DS certainly had his good and bad sides here at ISG. I only met him once. Briefly at a New Year Party in Davao. It's always sad to see someone make the Final departure. I hope he's made arrangements regarding his children in the Philippines. Thanks for the report GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1847312]I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1847312]I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.[/QUOTE]Can't say I knew him but I have been an avid reader of DS's posts. May his soul rest in peace.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1847312]I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.[/QUOTE]Re post from DS forum (something we rarely did when the big man was alive).

Thanks GE.

Sad news as I had noted he was not on the board and not YM either where I usually was chatting with him.

Having known him for some time but nowhere near as long as you, he was a good guy despite his demeanor at times. We all have flaws and DS certainly had his but he looked after his extended family well. All the children etc and never shirked those responsibilities, unlike many others in Asia.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1847312]I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.[/QUOTE]Yes I have enjoyed all his contributions for many years. I wish him the best on his journey.

I enjoyed exchanging a lot of PMs with him, and he gave me a lot of good advice (and some of it that only applies to him, I cannot use).

I feel sad that while was wondering why his forum was so quiet, it turns out he passed away.

I want to thank him and keep his memory alive, he is the reason I discovered Davao City and keep enjoying unforgettable memories there.

I enjoyed reading his posts and though I've never been to Davao he quirked my interest enough to make me want to visit at least once in my life. May his soul rest in peace!

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1847312]I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.[/QUOTE]

Visited Davao for 4 days to visit a regular.

One night went to Hot Legs (2?) and Ms I on Palma Gil near the Royal Mandaya hotel. Both a waste of time despite previous good reports on Ms I by both me and others previously. Then walked up to the other Ms I branch which is halfway between the Marco Polo and Gaisano mall in a side street. This a larger Ms I but also a waste of time.

Went to Claude's restaurant on another night and walking back to Marco Polo stumbled across Hot Legs 3 in Anda street (?they told me it was Anda street but I can't see this street on the map). Worse than Hot Legs 1 and 2.

On Saturday night went to Hot Legs (1?) and Babyface on San Pedro (near Myhotel). Both were very busy. At Hot Legs after the shower routine all the girls get up to dance together. There were 16 girls of which 1 was a standout. Slim tall pretty face nice boobs. Even pretty for Burgos standards but it was clear she was the prized girl as she was the central girl who did the pole dancing with all others shuffling around watching her. Sorry should have got her name because well worthwhile going to Hot Legs San Pedro if she was there and wasn't tabled. Ended up at Babyface which was also packed. For the first time for my Davao experience I barfined. In the dim light was attracted to a petite girl pretty face having worked there for a week. But in the harsh light of the hotel room, baby stretch marks and saggy mother boobs dimmed my enthusiasm.

All up if you visit these bars frequently enough you may stumble upon a gem.

Hi,

Coming first time to Davao. N. Eed help to find good independents. Or MPs or places to enjoy. Does filipinocupid is going to be worthy buy (membership).

Thanks for your help.

Raj

Thanks for the news, GE. Only met the Slayer one time for the baptism of one of his children in Davao. What an experience. He was not a shrinking shamrock, by any stretch. If aunt Mathilda preceded him, I am sure he will be giving her a rousing revival when he arrives.

Will walk many a mile without meeting the measure of the old boy. May his memory be held dearly by those who loved him. Peace and comfort to his family.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1847312]I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RajChopra1976;1851506]
. Does filipinocupid is going to be worthy buy (membership).

Raj[/QUOTE]Yes Raj. I would say FC is worth the price for a month membership. Better yet, pay for 2 months and get 1 free. Just be polite. The girls are shy and they may be hard to get. There's street meat, big KTV clubs that are expensive, and the bars mentioned below by Ms. A. But it's not a very good mongering destination, as mentioned. All the best to you, and let us know how you make out.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1851414] (?they told me it was Anda street but I can't see this street on the map)

[/QUOTE]Allot of these streets have a second name that they use instead of the real name. I was on Anda St once looking for Iñigo Street and no one knew where it was. Anda Street is actually Iñigo Street.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1770793] The Italian restaurant Pico Bello has re-opened in a new location. I tried it two weeks ago, and it continues to serve well prepared, moderately priced Italian food with a decent selection of Italian wines from Swiss Deli with shares a common ownership with this place. Much of the restaurant seating is on a roofed, outdoor terrace on the second floor of a two story shopping center directly across the road from Monte Ritz. The value for money here is quite good and a decent dinner for two with wine can be eaten for about $40-45. GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reviews, I hadn't heard of the White House. Picabello is still one of my favorite restaurants. But the old location in mall was way better. It's inexpensive, the service is extremely friendly and attentive, and I love the food. But there's only one dish I ever order, and it's not pizza. I don't know why anyone orders the pizza. The only good pizza in the city is at Spirali IMO. I do not like the new location of Picabello, and the ambiance is even worse. It's just far enough off the super highway that thank God, you don't smell the diesel smoke. But what you do hear are those trucks rumbling up the highway blowing their horns that are too loud to be on an ocean vessel. If anyone hasn't seen one of these things, they are hideous. If the ancients could see one, there would be hieroglyphics on the cave wall of these horrible screaming monsters blowing out clouds of poisonous smoke. It's an open air place, like you said, and it's got Filipino favorites coming out of crappy speakers with no bass. There's banging and clattering from the kitchen, and wooden chairs being dragged around. Dinner time is usually crowded so the whole place is in a roar over the top of all that. So I just go there, scarf, and get out.

It's a commercial complex, like you say, so the CR is way down the hall. There's no ass wipe and no soap. Not just this time, but last time, and the time before. And last month, and 3 months ago. You would expect that in any Filipino mall or restaurant, but this is supposed to be a notch up, I thought. It used to just bug me a little but what compelled me to write this tonight was when my waiter that was about to bring me bread was in there taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. (In fairness, there is a sink hidden in the corner of the restaurant with soap, but I've never seen anyone us it, including my waiter. The woman cleaning the place was also in CR. I asked her where's the soap? "No soap. " I said it's a CR, why? "I don't know. " I do know. Because it's not even a thought. If you go in there and you see ADD SOME FUCKING SOAP written in permanent marker across the thing, it's me.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1847312]I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.[/QUOTE]I never had the chance to meet the man, but I enjoyed his posts.

I think the lesson here is not to be afraid to live large.

I had written my review of this place after my first visit to the new site. Since then I've been back twice, amd I have to agree with Sam 14. The old restaurant had a wood-fired pizza oven and made excellent pizzas. The new place does not. Plus, I found the so-called Italian foods fairly mediocre. The overall quality of the food at Swiss Deli is much higher. I also agree with Sam that by far the best pizza in town is to be found at Spirale, which does have a wood-fired oven. I suggest however asked for additional tomatoes at an additional cost of Php50.

GE.

[QUOTE=SergeantRay;1851691]I never had the chance to meet the man, but I enjoyed his posts.

I think the lesson here is not to be afraid to live large.[/QUOTE]Having read his many reports I believe he made 3-4 kids with different mothers. As I understand he was taking care of kids. Now that he is gone I do not know if he has made a will or deposited enough money for them. I doubt whether they will have any legal rights to whatever assets he had in US. Even claim to his life insurance is in question unless he has filed paternity papers with US embassy and they investigated it and acted favorably. I believe he willingly wanted children.

A tip to those who wants to father a child. File paternity papers even if means child support payments. At least when the child is older he or she can settle in his country.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1851697]Having read his many reports I believe he made 3-4 kids with different mothers. As I understand he was taking care of kids. Now that he is gone I do not know if he has made a will or deposited enough money for them. I doubt whether they will have any legal rights to whatever assets he had in US. Even claim to his life insurance is in question unless he has filed paternity papers with US embassy and they investigated it and acted favorably. I believe he willingly wanted children.

A tip to those who wants to father a child. File paternity papers even if means child support payments. At least when the child is older he or she can settle in his country.[/QUOTE]Hopefully DS had registered his kids with the USA Embassy and obtained passports for them as USA Citizens prior to his passing. If he did then I believe each child is entitled to survivorship benefits (monthly payments) until the age of 18 from the Social Security program. If he had not done that then the respective mothers can still apply for US citizenship for the children and then the benefits. How ever they will need DNA samples of DS for the application thru the USA Embassy.

Totally agree, even if you are going to be a deadbeat father, at least file papers in the home country to obtain benefits for the child.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1851717]Hopefully DS had registered his kids with the USA Embassy and obtained passports for them as USA Citizens prior to his passing. If he did then I believe each child is entitled to survivorship benefits (monthly payments) until the age of 18 from the Social Security program. If he had not done that then the respective mothers can still apply for US citizenship for the children and then the benefits. How ever they will need DNA samples of DS for the application thru the USA Embassy.

Totally agree, even if you are going to be a deadbeat father, at least file papers in the home country to obtain benefits for the child.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately none of the above was ever done, and so the kids, all start from scratch. I've been trying to help a bit by dealing with the Embassy, amd dealing with the system there is a whole different sort of nightmare. The establishment of US citizenship after the death of the American parent is, though not impossible, difficult to do, particularly if the mothers are relatively unsophisticated, lack the means to travel to Manila with their child, and don't understand how to fill out the requisite paperwork.

It's going to be a long slog, and at the end, I don't know how many of the kids are going to end up with US Passports.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1851841]Unfortunately none of the above was ever done, and so the kids, all start from scratch. I've been trying to help a bit by dealing with the Embassy, amd dealing with the system there is a whole different sort of nightmare. The establishment of US citizenship after the death of the American parent is, though not impossible, difficult to do, particularly if the mothers are relatively unsophisticated, lack the means to travel to Manila with their child, and don't understand how to fill out the requisite paperwork.

It's going to be a long slog, and at the end, I don't know how many of the kids are going to end up with US Passports.

GE.[/QUOTE]A few years back I had visited the USA Embassy outpost in Cebu. It is located on the very ground floor of the Waterfront hotel Lahug location. It is open in the mornings and possibly closed by 11:00 am. I remember back then it would take the initial children / passport applications and do some verifications. For final approval the applicants had to go to Manila and do the DNA test at the embassy designated lab.

I don't know how they would do the DNA test for DS. Maybe a close family member of his would submit his DNA along with theirs.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1851977]A few years back I had visited the USA Embassy outpost in Cebu. It is located on the very ground floor of the Waterfront hotel Lahug location. It is open in the mornings and possibly closed by 11:00 am. I remember back then it would take the initial children / passport applications and do some verifications. For final approval the applicants had to go to Manila and do the DNA test at the embassy designated lab.

I don't know how they would do the DNA test for DS. Maybe a close family member of his would submit his DNA along with theirs.[/QUOTE]Thanks, and thanks for the PM as well. I was told earlier this week, but Embassy staff in Manila that the Cebu Consulate could not offer this service, and that the applications, supporting evidence and interviews would all have to be done in Manila. I'll try to confirm this tomorrow. I was also told that while DNA evidence might have to be submitted, it is not always required. There's quite a bit about this situation that makes it, if not unique, then certainly unusual, so the hurdles to be jumped by these kids might be more difficult.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1852016]Thanks, and thanks for the PM as well. I was told earlier this week, but Embassy staff in Manila that the Cebu Consulate could not offer this service, and that the applications, supporting evidence and interviews would all have to be done in Manila. I'll try to confirm this tomorrow. I was also told that while DNA evidence might have to be submitted, it is not always required. There's quite a bit about this situation that makes it, if not unique, then certainly unusual, so the hurdles to be jumped by these kids might be more difficult.

GE.[/QUOTE]It seems like there will be some hurdles as multiple mothers will be applying after the death of DS. I don't think they can use DS ISG posts to confirm fatherhood.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1852016]Thanks, and thanks for the PM as well. I was told earlier this week, but Embassy staff in Manila that the Cebu Consulate could not offer this service, and that the applications, supporting evidence and interviews would all have to be done in Manila. I'll try to confirm this tomorrow. I was also told that while DNA evidence might have to be submitted, it is not always required. There's quite a bit about this situation that makes it, if not unique, then certainly unusual, so the hurdles to be jumped by these kids might be more difficult.

GE.[/QUOTE]One time I was taking fly the bus from AC to Manila. This man was saying bye to his 8 year old daughter. Nice American looking kid. On the bus we started talking. He said he is going to Guam to straight out his daughters paternity issue and get a US passport for her. He said he tried in vain for 4 years through Manila embassy only to be denied repeatedly in spite of DNA tests proving he is the father. He obviously lives in AC with the kid and her mother. I did not go into many details as it would seem I am probing into his affairs.

If what he said was true then it would seem that being dead is a bigger obstacle to legitimize kids. Adding to the problem is multiple mothers. It is a well known fact that US immigration is skeptical when multiple mothers cLiam paternity like what happened during American withdrawal from Vietnam.

I only hope the mothers saved some of the money for future needs of the kids. Knowing Philippine women this is extremely unlikely.

Greeting community.

I am in Davao till Mar 25.

Any suggestions?

MP, independents, Bar or website?

Wow, that is surprising. I'm guessing it was his daughter, but the mother was not his wife. That throws a wrench into the works.

Guam? I guess the lines are shorter.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1852043]One time I was taking fly the bus from AC to Manila. This man was saying bye to his 8 year old daughter. Nice American looking kid. On the bus we started talking. He said he is going to Guam to straight out his daughters paternity issue and get a US passport for her. He said he tried in vain for 4 years through Manila embassy only to be denied repeatedly in spite of DNA tests proving he is the father. He obviously lives in AC with the kid and her mother. I did not go into many details as it would seem I am probing into his affairs.

If what he said was true then it would seem that being dead is a bigger obstacle to legitimize kids. Adding to the problem is multiple mothers. It is a well known fact that US immigration is skeptical when multiple mothers cLiam paternity like what happened during American withdrawal from Vietnam.

I only hope the mothers saved some of the money for future needs of the kids. Knowing Philippine women this is extremely unlikely.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;1852215]Greeting community.

I am in Davao till Mar 25.

Any suggestions?

MP, independents, Bar or website?[/QUOTE]You can use WeChat to locate "People Nearby" when you're in your hotel or in the mall or any other place.

You will find many escorts there. In Manila they were offering massage, in Davao they call themselves "Walkers" for some reason, and will offer to "walk".

You will know they are escorts because (1) they will have many pictures and (2) under some of the pictures they will write the price per pop, and other such comments like "take me out tonight?" etc etc.

Most of my experience in Davao is with online dating on FC, so not any experience with independents, MPs etc, other than noticing these Walkers a lot in WeChat.

I know a guy who stumbled into a red light area near City Hall, so maybe you can ask a taxi or wander walking around in the evening and hope to luck into it.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;1852215]Greeting community.

I am in Davao till Mar 25.

Any suggestions?

MP, independents, Bar or website?[/QUOTE]23 FRs and 23 questions and you are a "hey dude / bro" poster that the UAE calls a 'manager'.

Two more FRs and you will be a senior member without AY contribution.

The Philippine board in general and Davao I particular is full of great information just a RTFF away and a few minutes would tell all you need to know. While you RTFF look for 'give and take' as this is great reading also for your trip to Davao.

Symp was too kind but are some just say RTFF.

Still can't believe you can be a senior by asking 2 questions but seems this will happen LOL.

[QUOTE=Sympalogy;1852343]
You will find many escorts there. In Manila they were offering massage, in Davao they call themselves "Walkers" for some reason, and will offer to "walk".
.[/QUOTE]I recall reading, hopefully in this forum, that it is OK for a woman to go 'out for a walk' saying that in front of the kids. So if she is going for a walk, she can come back with rice, milk for the kids and some extra peso.

BD.

[QUOTE=Sympalogy;1852343]

You will find many escorts there. In Manila they were offering massage, in Davao they call themselves "Walkers" for some reason, and will offer to "walk".
[/QUOTE]The term originated in Manila. If you look at any of the local chat boards you will find that girls (and ESPECIALLY students and non regular P4 P) have used the euphemism of "going for a walk" for years. It is simply a means by which they conceal what they are really doing.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1852608]The term originated in Manila. If you look at any of the local chat boards you will find that girls (and ESPECIALLY students and non regular P4 P) have used the euphemism of "going for a walk" for years. It is simply a means by which they conceal what they are really doing.[/QUOTE]

Would you recommend any of the local chat boards?

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1852968]Would you recommend any of the local chat boards?[/QUOTE]For many chat boards / chat rooms you need Tagalog and be able to understand the slang-pinoy too (the sort they use for texting).

Probably the best known one is [URL]https://pinaywalks.com/[/URL].

All boards that have chatrooms (like filipino cupid) use this euphemism "going for a walk" too.

A sad (and rather long) look into some lives in the PI.

Miss A.

A long time ago I got a text. I didn't remember the name but the notes indicated she stood me up twice, so she was on the ignore list. (They see you sitting there but they're too scared to approach). But it said she was hot, so why not give it another shot. She shows up on time with her half sister, and wao! Indeed, both hot, 18 and 19. Combine the two and I had the girl of my dreams. A, the younger, was very gwapa, but a bit chubby and a big set of lungs. A2 was dark skin, taller, and had the body of a top shelf BKK stripper. This led to a year of great times with both together, and eventually 5 family member. Miss A was supposed to come alone on Valentines Day and I figured ID make her my GF and take good care of her. But suddenly she vanished. No one knew anything.

Miss B.

Meanwhile I met this beauty working 14 hour days in the hot sun for 100 pesos selling used clothes. She'd breathe diesel fumes all day plus walk an hour just to save 16 pesos. 18, a perfect 40 kg package, and I would have loved the chance to keep each other off the street. But she played too hard to get so I gave up.

Finally comes the famous text. "Sam, I have a problem". . She and her best friend were about to become homeless that day if they didn't dig up 1,500 pesos. I believed the story but I was already busy that night. So I quickly brought her to my room just to get her acclimated and have a little "talk". She was a sweet sincere girl, and I decided it was worth the risk, so I gave her the 1. 5. I said this is just a gift Sweetheart, you don't owe me anything. But I hope you will come back. Well, she did come back and it was great. (For me, anyway). She was nervous but I didn't pressure her and in the end she seemed very happy. She left with some additional grocery money and I figured this was the beginning of a great thing. But I was wrong, she vanished too.

A month later I get a text from her best friend (B2). "Oh Sam, you're not like the other poriners, you're so kind and respectful. I realize you're the one I love".

Well, no shit. It's either that or homelessness is looming again. The one I like isn't into it so she sends her friend to do the dirty work. I asked her about her friend but she "didn't know". Well, she did have a beautiful 38 kg body. And I'm a humanitarian anyway, so yes. Also, I was sure it had been a long time since she'd had sex. And if she really digs me like she says, it may be remarkable.

Well, it was remarkable for two reasons. One, she played dead. I figured going down on her would loosen things up. It did a little, and I discovered this stunning, naturally hairless vagina. It was about the size of my little pinky. But it was like licking a potted plant. So I was losing interest fast and was about to call it quits. Then suddenly, her time was up anyway. She had some important business to attend to. Ah ukie, no problem. We were still friends and she didn't leave empty handed. But it wasn't quite the 1,500 I assumed she came for. I wouldn't hear back from her either.

Miss C.

This one was the cherry on the cake for me, she stopped my in my tracks. I found her walking by an open sewage ditch. Extremely poor, 18, cute as can be, and stood about as tall as my dresser. Thick, shiny black hair down to her cute little ass that tasted like chocolate cake. We'd end up spending two years together on and off.

It was very hard to get her out at first. But soon after the shagging began, I indicated that she could easily reach the top limits of my budget. It would have been perfect because I actually loved her. And she and her mother were absolutely broke. She'd dropped out of high school already, and soon her whole village would burn down. She was about to be in a very bad way.

Well, she never made it even close to the top limits of my budget, and I eventually left Davao 5 times. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad. In the end I told her that if she had one peso for every mistake she made with me, she'd be a millionaire. She just wasn't good at playing the part, even though I explained how repeatedly. Instead of shooting high, and equating more effort with more budget, she couldn't grasp the simplest of things. Like remembering to text every day while she still had unli text. Fine. You can only try to treat someone like a lady, you can't force them. I had a great weekly screw, and she had food on the table. But I get it, I suppose if I had a pussy that small, I wouldn't want it stretched out too often either. Only thing that had ever been in there was one filipino kid, and her classmate's tongue. I didn't think she even liked boys.

Finally, others justified more, so my budget had to be re-balanced. There was enough left for her to survive on but, unfortunately, she couldn't even seem to take full advantage of that. So as her financial well being slid to a pittance, so did her health. Serious malnutrition, chronic UTI, ulcers burning out her gut, no electricity, no load. I gave her a hundred chances. I offered to help her with all that and didn't even demand sex in return. All she had to do was get up and come over. I even went and found her a couple times just to help her out. Finally she disappeared completely.

Missing persons: Case solved.

Miss A.

The younger sister that I liked so much, and couldn't get alone, showed up on FB under a new name. She and her sister both have babies now. (Not mine). And now all of a sudden she wants to come to me all the time. She's ready now, and loves me and misses me so much. She's hungry, and the baby is hungry. She don't have work and she wants to be my GF.

Miss B.

I found out they both had been sleeping on the street ever since the friend came to me so many months ago. And now they were both pregnant. Yup. . Sleeping in the rain, and pregnant.

And Miss B, the one I tried so hard to get before, now all of a sudden loved me so much too. Text text every day, wants to be together always, very persistent. After she gave birth, I did go try to help her. It was a terrible mess, she was in an extremely sad situation. Her face looked different and she was super skinny. Living in an open air shelter and suffering horrible stomach pains. (Turned out to be appendix or stones. They would hold her in the public hospital for a week because she didn't have money to pay). She was wearing baggy sweat pants and an old hooded sweater because she sold off her clothes to pay for some useless expensive medicine. I gave her whatever I could afford at the time.

Miss C.

This is the only pregnancy that ever shocked me. From the start she was afraid of being caught up with a baby. "Withdraw withdraw withdraw." And like I said before, I didn't think she even liked boys. Now she was five month, from a "bulshit pinoy". What's particularly disturbing about it is this: Her mother can not even feed either of them, or the rest of the brothers as it is. They live in a squatter camp, and the power is off. That means no refrigerator and no electric fan to keep the mosquitoes off. She frequently skips meals and lost allot of weight. The ulcers are still there that I offered to cure permanently with cabbage juice. (That works, BTW). And the UTI is still there that I offered to cure with pills. She's too short to ever get a job in a department store. And she's too lazy to work in a general junk store, she already tried that. So all that is bad. But what has to be even worse, and what I can not even imagine, is a baby coming out of that perfect tiny vagina. The best one I've ever seen. And what chance does that poor little kid stand. I don't even see her resorting to prostitution, I don't think she's capable.

I'm not taking any pleasure in writing any of that, like some weird kind of revenge. And I'd help any of them if I could. But it's just sad to contrast those choices to what any of them could have had. A loaded phone, a boarding house, health care, nutrition, mother's bills paid, spending money, Samal Island, and sitting at Bon Appetit on a Saturday night.

Sam 14,

What is the point of your story? That the girls didn't pick you as an option? Which you would have been better for them than starvation, what does that mean?

You have described unthinkable lives. What I don't understand is how you don't have the money to help them. P1500 which would make a major difference in their lives is = $33.33. You couldn't or wouldn't even save one of them?

Tell me more.

Dg8787.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1852979]For many chat boards / chat rooms you need Tagalog and be able to understand the slang-pinoy too (the sort they use for texting).

Probably the best known one is [URL]https://pinaywalks.com/[/URL].

All boards that have chatrooms (like filipino cupid) use this euphemism "going for a walk" too.[/QUOTE]No, walking was hardly invented in Davao.

It seems pinaywalks now require verification (had an old account just lying around), which just happens to also require a donation of PHP 199 to their admin.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1855013]Sam 14,

What is the point of your story? That the girls didn't pick you as an option? Which you would have been better for them than starvation, what does that mean?

You have described unthinkable lives. What I don't understand is how you don't have the money to help them. P1500 which would make a major difference in their lives is = $33.33. You couldn't or wouldn't even save one of them?

Tell me more.

Dg8787.[/QUOTE]I don't know DG, good question, thanks. I was kinda asking myself why I should bother sharing the story. I suppose the point was just what I said, a look into the some of the sad choices some of these girls make. Not necessarily not choosing me, but choosing to have a baby. What makes it worse is that I was looking for someone like them. We don't know if they're better off with or without me. They always say "God's will".

I'm on a fixed income DG, and I like to travel when possible. So I don't have a budget to help girls that I'm not involved with. Unless I sell my property. But that would kill my income. I suppose I could go back to work and send money from home. Maybe you could chip in a few? Advance thanks. I did see the last one while she was 5 months pregnant, and I gave her 2 boxes full of stuff and 1,000 peso before I left the country. And the one with appendix, I gave her enough to get out of the hospital. And the very first one, we did have a date set up. But now all of a sudden she was asking for 2,000 pesos. That's what used to make both her and her sister happy. Apparently that baby made her better. But like I wrote DG, I've found someone that deserves the extra money that I set aside each month, and I can not justify taking away from her to give to someone else. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1855027]I don't know DG, good question, thanks. I was kinda asking myself why I should bother sharing the story. I suppose the point was just what I said, a look into the some of the sad choices some of these girls make. Not necessarily not choosing me, but choosing to have a baby. What makes it worse is that I really wanted them. We don't know if they're better off with or without me. They always say "God's will".

I'm on a fixed income DG, and I like to travel when possible. So I don't have a budget to help girls that I'm not involved with. Unless I sell my property. But that would kill my income. I suppose I could go back to work and send money from home. Maybe you could chip in a few? Advance thanks. I did see the last one while she was 5 months pregnant, and I gave her 2 boxes full of stuff and 1,000 peso before I left the country. And the one with appendix, I gave her enough to get out of the hospital. And the very first one, we did have a date set up. But now all of a sudden she was asking me for 2,000 pesos. That's what used to make both her and her sister happy. Apparently that baby made her better. But like I wrote DG, I've found someone that deserves the extra money that I set aside each month, and I can not justify taking away from her to give to someone else. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sam 14,

I don't mean to be insensitive to your situations, my apology if I have been. I now see you have given what you could have and certainly a higher percentage of your income than most people or probably myself. I have chipped in for special needs too.

They have been taught "God's will" to never have control over their lives and be enslaved to the cycles of poverty. The laws of cause and effect are never taught to them.

Blessings to you sir.

Dg8787.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1855027]I don't know DG, good question, thanks. I was kinda asking myself why I should bother sharing the story. [/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to share.

Going through my mind was all of the stories that I've heard from the girls too. Unfortunately there is only so much we can do.

I've thought of supporting one or two girls myself. There are so many things that come up that makes it difficult. I know that giving them one off payments, they just payback their loans or do the major expense. Two days later they are no better off.

An ongoing payment over an extended period might help but I don't think they have the needed financial skills to budget. There are barriers to this. Mainly the cost of small international transfers. I could give a girl P50k now, but it would be wasted. Much better to give P4k per month or even better P1k per week

Happy hunting.

BD.

Sam 14,

Very moving account. As you point out, sometimes money helps but often it's either irrelevant or just another day in Failureville, only this time with a free fish.

One foolish ex-pat set up a girl with free rent for the year and enough money for expenses. But she couldn't stop hooking, and was bringing customers back to the room he had paid for. This last summer she was an emaciated husk--I hear it was TB, and she looked like she was near death. What was tragic was that it didn't have to be like that.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1855017]No, walking was hardly invented in Davao.

[/QUOTE]I most certainly never implied or suggested that Pute Nut. I was replying to another post where he hadn't heard the term "walking" before. I said the term had been used euphemistically for a very long time. The discussion just happened to be on the Davao thread.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1855037]Sam 14,They have been taught "God's will" .... The laws of cause and effect are never taught to them
Dg8787.[/QUOTE]That is probably right on the mark, or certainly all to close to the terrible truth of situation in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=SergeantRay;1855069]Sam 14,

Very moving account. As you point out, sometimes money helps but often it's either irrelevant or just another day in Failureville, only this time with a free fish.

One foolish ex-pat set up a girl with free rent for the year and enough money for expenses. But she couldn't stop hooking, and was bringing customers back to the room he had paid for. This last summer she was an emaciated husk--I hear it was TB, and she looked like she was near death. What was tragic was that it didn't have to be like that.[/QUOTE]The frequency and recurrence of poor decisions, lack of foresight and abysmal living conditions among the more impoverished classes here is appalling, but not new. Given that the Philippines is the only ASEAN country to have reported an increase in poverty over the past ten years likely indicates that the problem is getting ever worse. The amalgamation of extraordinary poverty, malnutrition, poor education and desperation culminates, in part, in woeful levels of ignorance. These ladies, amd their families are the victims of indifferent and thoroughly corrupt governments and a feudal system that relentlessly exploits the poor. This doesn't mean that the inability to foresee outcomes of poor decisions should be conflated with stupidity. However, it's unsurprising that poor Filipinos are forced, through dire necessity to focus only on meeting their needs in the immediate present, on surviving today before worrying about tomorrow.

To paraphrase James Hamilton-Patterson, despair has persisted for so long that it's become part of the cultural genome.

GE.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1855077]I most certainly never implied or suggested that Pute Nut. I was replying to another post where he hadn't heard the term "walking" before. I said the term had been used euphemistically for a very long time. The discussion just happened to be on the Davao thread.[/QUOTE]RK, did you, by any chance, notice the leading "no"? In this case it implies agreement with the previous poster as in "you are right, walking (as used here) was not invented in Davao". Which, in hindsight, may be a better wording. English is not my mother tongue.

I was, of course, aware of the previous exchange with regards to the use of walking as an euphemism for SW.

Anyway, the reason for my comment was that I merely wanted to add that pinaywalks is now a paysite that wants your money (and details).

In my humble opinion, there are at least two lessons here. (1) Every pretty girl already has a boyfriend. Ok, never mind "pretty". At best, she is "in between" BFs. The girls who disappear, who get pregnant--keep this rule in mind. You are not the only man in her world.

(2) In most cases, there's no point in giving money, except as payment of course. You can give a filipina any amount, and in three days it will be gone, with nothing to show for it. Not even a sack of rice in the kitchen. And she won't know what became of it. Very likely, others have "borrowed" it from her. Maybe the boyfriend. If you really care, go the extra mile. Do the shopping. Make sure the groceries get home. Take her to the clinic, talk with the doctor, fill the prescription yourself. Mother in the hospital? Go visit, find out the truth of the situation. Money for tuition? Go to the bank and get a manager's check, made out to the school. (Your name will not appear on it.).

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1855085]The frequency and recurrence of poor decisions, lack of foresight and abysmal living conditions among the more impoverished classes here is appalling, but not new. Given that the Philippines is the only ASEAN country to have reported an increase in poverty over the past ten years likely indicates that the problem is getting ever worse. The amalgamation of extraordinary poverty, malnutrition, poor education and desperation culminates, in part, in woeful levels of ignorance. These ladies, amd their families are the victims of indifferent and thoroughly corrupt governments and a feudal system that relentlessly exploits the poor. This doesn't mean that the inability to foresee outcomes of poor decisions should be conflated with stupidity. However, it's unsurprising that poor Filipinos are forced, through dire necessity to focus only on meeting their needs in the immediate present, on surviving today before worrying about tomorrow.

To paraphrase James Hamilton-Patterson, despair has persisted for so long that it's become part of the cultural genome.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sam14;1855027]I don't know DG, good question, thanks. I was kinda asking myself why I should bother sharing the story. I suppose the point was just what I said, a look into the some of the sad choices some of these girls make. Not necessarily not choosing me, but choosing to have a baby. What makes it worse is that I was looking for someone like them. We don't know if they're better off with or without me. They always say "God's will".

I'm on a fixed income DG, and I like to travel when possible. So I don't have a budget to help girls that I'm not involved with. Unless I sell my property. But that would kill my income. I suppose I could go back to work and send money from home. Maybe you could chip in a few? Advance thanks. I did see the last one while she was 5 months pregnant, and I gave her 2 boxes full of stuff and 1,000 peso before I left the country. And the one with appendix, I gave her enough to get out of the hospital. And the very first one, we did have a date set up. But now all of a sudden she was asking for 2,000 pesos. That's what used to make both her and her sister happy. Apparently that baby made her better. But like I wrote DG, I've found someone that deserves the extra money that I set aside each month, and I can not justify taking away from her to give to someone else. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Or you can just share some of your money and let the girl do whatever she wants with it. It is all in our heads, right? The feeling of not accomplishing anything for not having done something "productive", is just an opinion.

I remember when the girlfriend of my friend resigned from her little shit hole selling ice cream. She wanted to spend more time with family and friends. Now how great is that? She is still alive by the way. Asking men for money. Hustling.

I have sponsored several "girlfriends" to an education over the year, and in all cases it amounted to just about nothing. The second latest, miss Teen Big Tit, ditched all ambitions and became the second wife to a Muslim teacher. The last in the line just doped out of school to do nothing.

It has been like this with all of them, but during the ride they where happy and I felt like I made a change. This is one of those occasion where the intention matters more than the outcome, to me.

I give money because it makes me feel good. Like I am sharing what I was fortunate to get in life. I was lucky in the birth lottery. My country is among the ones having a ball grip on the third world. So a minute of my time amounts to a day of others. There is no real logical reason for this inequality on a personal level.

So I learned to no harbor any opinions about how my donation are spent. What is happiness?

Karma is now.

Barba

[QUOTE=Barba;1855321]Or you can just share some of your money and let the girl do whatever she wants with it. It is all in our heads, right? The feeling of not accomplishing anything for not having done something "productive", is just an opinion.

I remember when the girlfriend of my friend resigned from her little shit hole selling ice cream. She wanted to spend more time with family and friends. Now how great is that? She is still alive by the way. Asking men for money. Hustling.

I have sponsored several "girlfriends" to an education over the year, and in all cases it amounted to just about nothing. The second latest, miss Teen Big Tit, ditched all ambitions and became the second wife to a Muslim teacher. The last in the line just doped out of school to do nothing.

It has been like this with all of them, but during the ride they where happy and I felt like I made a change. This is one of those occasion where the intention matters more than the outcome, to me.

I give money because it makes me feel good. Like I am sharing what I was fortunate to get in life. I was lucky in the birth lottery. My country is among the ones having a ball grip on the third world. So a minute of my time amounts to a day of others. There is no real logical reason for this inequality on a personal level.

So I learned to no harbor any opinions about how my donation are spent. What is happiness?

Karma is now.

Barba[/QUOTE]While the negative nellies are trying to digest this concept and then form a thought and then respond, I will give you a thumb's up and an Amen.

Well said, Barba. When I think of the joy, pleasure, and memorable experiences I have had with these girls around the world, I am a very rich man. And to be stingy with any of them is truly unforgivable for me. But, to each his own.

I love this, "It is all in our heads, right?" Good to remember everywhere in life.

[QUOTE=Barba;1855321]Or you can just share some of your money and let the girl do whatever she wants with it. It is all in our heads, right?......
I give money because it makes me feel good. Like I am sharing what I was fortunate to get in life. I was lucky in the birth lottery. My country is among the ones having a ball grip on the third world. So a minute of my time amounts to a day of others. There is no real logical reason for this inequality on a personal level.

Karma is now.

Barba[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barba;1855321]Or you can just share some of your money and let the girl do whatever she wants with it. It is all in our heads, right? The feeling of not accomplishing anything for not having done something "productive", is just an opinion. Barba[/QUOTE]And, it's an opinion based on Western assumptions about "success" and "progress" and some Protestant Ethic about sobriety, hard work, discipline and frugality. The Phils forum has been dominated by mudslinging lately, so your comments gave me--and obviously a couple others--something to smile about for a change. Welcome back to the Philippines, Barba.

Thanks, Soapy, Poly and DG (sound like the characters of a bad criminal series LOL. Like Hunter and Dee Dee Mcall). It always gives me hope when sharing and caring is chosen before the capitalistic greed grinder. Not the least when I can do such a choice myself.

Caring for our karma feels naturally good, and we do not have to argue so much about that way with ourselves. No life long capitalistic training or arguing on ISG needed for that instant feeling of doing the right thing. So probably the right way for us all to walk, in the long run. We can not bring anything where we are going, but our deeds lives on, and it feels good to do some good sometimes.

Many times I think the cynicism when it comes to giving girls money comes from a feeling of poverty. Of not having enough. Or getting enough. We sometimes read statements from grown up and proud men that trick young girls to have sex with them to save a dollar. Or to imagine they are still young and handsome. We have probably all visited that swamp of ego at some point. The false feeling of "not having or getting enough" is unfortunately prevalent in humans. This feeling is a bit like Sarimner (English incorrect spelling due to demand for not using non English letters), the pig / goat of Valhalla. Even if we kill it in the afternoon by clinging on to a few pennies or doing something "smart", it will be there the next day when we wake up again. Unless we choose to change our minds and see what we actually have been blessed with. Bodhidharma really nailed it IMHO:

"The ignorant mind, with its infinite afflictions, passions, and evils, is rooted in the three poisons. Greed, anger, and delusion."

I sound like one of those religious / ultra socialistic know it all guys now, but I swear I am not. Just a normal guy that is trying to reprogram his mindset from what he was brainwashed to want for, to something more realistic and holistic.

Soapy, I am back in April again. I come every third or forth month, since almost ten years. I know I will meet some of my ISG buddies there, and will always be glad to meet new mates if anyone is around.

All the best!

Barba

[QUOTE=Cbea20;1855300] You can give a filipina any amount, and in three days it will be gone, with nothing to show for it. Not even a sack of rice in the kitchen. And she won't know what became of it. <Snip> If you really care, go the extra mile. Do the shopping. Make sure the groceries get home. Take her to the clinic, talk with the doctor, fill the prescription yourself. Mother in the hospital? Go visit, find out the truth of the situation. Money for tuition? Go to the bank and get a manager's check, made out to the school.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barba;1855321]Or you can just share some of your money and let the girl do whatever she wants with it. It is all in our heads, right? <Snip> So I learned to no harbor any opinions about how my donation are spent. What is happiness? [/QUOTE]Good points. If we no longer think of what can be good for others, and how other's benefit could also enhance ourselves, then maybe it's time for an inner look at our spiritual self, right?

There must be a balance between being generous, but not over paying for something that's not worth it. Living within our means, but still helping others. Random acts of kindness, but not being foolish with our hard earned money.

Do you not give the kid on the street a few pesos because it only encourages begging, and he'll probably just buy candy or a smoke? Or do you do it anyway, thinking it will make his life a tiny bit better for a minute? A friend of mine tipped the waiter $300 USD because he used to a bartender and liked the tips. But he's in debt in his business and his house.

I give each of my girls about the equivalent of what they'd make working a basic job. One of them has no food or money, so I give her small bits of cash, and she does whatever she wants with it. One already has a roof over her head and food. So I get her stuff that she would otherwise never buy if the money just landed in her lap. So she's probably the only one in her barangay getting lightning speed 4G (11 mbs), while I can't even stream a fucking video. I could get the pussy for cheaper, but I feel like I'd be sex shoplifting, as the late D33 used to put it. So that's my balance. I sacrifice a little but it's still win win.

If anyone's thinking about a romantic getaway to Samal, you may want to postpone for awhile. If you haven't heard, the island has been without power (hence running water) for three weeks now. A ship must have drug up the cables.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1855046] I could give a girl P50k now, but it would be wasted. Much better to give P4k per month or even better P1k per week



BD.[/QUOTE]To take it one step further. Never sent any girls any money no matter how small. Only if you are actually living in PI (or any other country for that matter) and the girl is always with you or living with you, then I could see giving her a small allowance spending money for her to buy a few things she needs, like cosmetics or clothes. And don't be shy about asking her or showing you what she's been buying with the money you gave her as this would hold her accountable.

I've been to many bars and bar fined many girls that once I gotten to know them have told me they are in a current relationship with a foreigner and have WU support every 2 weeks.

Like BT Barnum said in his famous line " there's a sucker born every minute".

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Sharka;1859427]Like BT Barnum said in his famous line " there's a sucker born every minute".[/QUOTE]And at least one cynic to go with that sucker.

With all respect for every man's right to make what he believes to be clever life decisions, I wish there where more suckers ans less cynics on this little blue piece of dust, floating in universe.

Peace!

Barba

[QUOTE=Barba;1859760]And at least one cynic to go with that sucker.

With all respect for every man's right to make what he believes to be clever life decisions, I wish there where more suckers ans less cynics on this little blue piece of dust, floating in universe.

Peace!

Barba[/QUOTE]Pretty soon they will be telling you how to f*ck with your own dick!

For those pondering a trip here in the near future, I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you're willing to cope with rotating blackouts of 5 hours a day. The situation seems to worsen day by day, and the same pattern, to a greater or lesser extent, is recurring throughout Mindanao.

The lame excuses provided by the government vary. The truth however, El Nio notwithstanding is that the hydroelectric plants on which most of the region depend, haven't been maintained for decades if ever, evoking the larger, if unspoken truth that that national government--incompetent and venal as it is--remains indifferent to the development of Mindanao. People here are angry, and becoming angrier by the day. And that pent-up anger may, in the event that Duterte is denied the presidency, erupt. During more than a decade of living in Mindanao, I've never seen people this angry and fed up.

Regardless of the possible longer-term consequences of the growing civil unrest, the fact is that it's simply uncomfortable to live without electricity, and perhaps worse than uncomfortable if one happens to be trapped in an elevator at the moment that the power dies. True, most of the larger hotels such as the Marco Polo, the Park Inn and Seda have generators, but I'm not sure if they're sufficient in all cases, to permit continued operation of all hotel services including air conditioning.

No facilities, including the Mayor's office are spared. In the better malls, generators take over the lighting and computer and credit card facilities, but the air comditioning, the escalators and elevators immediately cease functioning.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1865629]No facilities, including the Mayor's office are spared. In the better malls, generators take over the lighting and computer and credit card facilities, but the air comditioning, the escalators and elevators immediately cease functioning. [/QUOTE]So that's called: Tuesday?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1865629] People here are angry, and becoming angrier by the day. [/QUOTE]Yes, they are GE. And allot of them are sleepy too. I ask some of the workers how was their sleep last night. They didn't sleep because it was too hot in their little boarding house with no electric fan. So they're up all night fanning themselves, then they have to go work at their job all day and hope it's not sweltering there too.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1865926]Yes, they are GE. And allot of them are sleepy too. I ask some of the workers how was their sleep last night. They didn't sleep because it was too hot in their little boarding house with no electric fan. So they're up all night fanning themselves, then they have to go work at their job all day and hope it's not sweltering there too.[/QUOTE]Very true. A couple of days ago, I was speaking with a local businessman who told me that those working for him have very low energy after coping with the loss of power, so their productivity is low. I'm still somewhat amazed, coven after all these years, at the total indifference of the government.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1865629]For those pondering a trip here in the near future, I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you're willing to cope with rotating blackouts of 5 hours a day. The situation seems to worsen day by day, and the same pattern, to a greater or lesser extent, is recurring throughout Mindanao.

The lame excuses provided by the government vary. The truth however, El Nio notwithstanding is that the hydroelectric plants on which most of the region depend, haven't been maintained for decades if ever, evoking the larger, if unspoken truth that that national government--incompetent and venal as it is--remains indifferent to the development of Mindanao. People here are angry, and becoming angrier by the day. And that pent-up anger may, in the event that Duterte is denied the presidency, erupt. During more than a decade of living in Mindanao, I've never seen people this angry and fed up..[/QUOTE]Thanks GE as I was planning to book a flight from Manila to Davao City on Tuesday!

Here's a link providing more details about the Mindanao power outages:

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/04/11/1571729/6-8-hour-blackouts-plague-mindanao[/URL]

A Canadian man held captive by Islamist militants for months in the Philippines has been killed, Canadian media confirm.

John Ridsdel was taken from a tourist resort along with three others by the Abu Sayyaf group in September last year.

A friend, the former MP Bob Rae, was among those who confirmed the death.

On Monday a severed head was found on a remote Philippine island, hours after an Abu Sayyaf ransom deadline expired.

The Philippine army has not been confirmed if it belonged to one of the captives.

[QUOTE=Wjmpsr;1870793]A Canadian man held captive by Islamist militants for months in the Philippines has been killed, Canadian media confirm.

John Ridsdel was taken from a tourist resort along with three others by the Abu Sayyaf group in September last year.

A friend, the former MP Bob Rae, was among those who confirmed the death.

On Monday a severed head was found on a remote Philippine island, hours after an Abu Sayyaf ransom deadline expired.

The Philippine army has not been confirmed if it belonged to one of the captives.[/QUOTE]As of today, April 26,2016 there has not been any reports of this in Philippine newspapers. What was reported was that there was a deadline of April 25th to pay a ransom or they would behead one hostage.

Reported today, April 26,2016 in newspapers NPA release 5 captured Davao PNP officers to Duterte. The released officers were wearing white t-shirts with P. O. W. And prisoner of war printed on them. They were abducted 10 days ago on April 16.

[QUOTE=Wjmpsr;1870793]A Canadian man held captive by Islamist militants for months in the Philippines has been killed, Canadian media confirm.

John Ridsdel was taken from a tourist resort along with three others by the Abu Sayyaf group in September last year.

A friend, the former MP Bob Rae, was among those who confirmed the death.

On Monday a severed head was found on a remote Philippine island, hours after an Abu Sayyaf ransom deadline expired.

The Philippine army has not been confirmed if it belonged to one of the captives.[/QUOTE]I feel sorry for his family, RIP.

I just hope all that kinda stuff fades away before I get to Davao for the festival in Aug, And they sort out them power blackouts. The world is truly gone crazy.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1870969]As of today, April 26,2016 there has not been any reports of this in Philippine newspapers. What was reported was that there was a deadline of April 25th to pay a ransom or they would behead one hostage.[/QUOTE]Headline: [I]Trudeau condemns 'cold-blooded murder' of Canadian in Philippines: [/I]
[URL]http://globalnation.inquirer.net/138936/trudeau-condemns-cold-blooded-murder-of-canadian-in-ph[/URL].

Headline: [I]Head of 'Abu Sayyaf captive' dumped on Sulu street police: [/I]
[URL]http://globalnation.inquirer.net/138928/head-of-abu-sayyaf-captive-dumped-on-sulu-street-police[/URL].

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1871132]Headline: [I]Trudeau condemns 'cold-blooded murder' of Canadian in Philippines: [/I]
[URL]http://globalnation.inquirer.net/138936/trudeau-condemns-cold-blooded-murder-of-canadian-in-ph[/URL].

Headline: [I]Head of 'Abu Sayyaf captive' dumped on Sulu street police: [/I]
[URL]http://globalnation.inquirer.net/138928/head-of-abu-sayyaf-captive-dumped-on-sulu-street-police[/URL].[/QUOTE]The hostages were being held in Sulu Archipelago which is a long way from Davao. The head was found in Sulu.

Although they were originally abducted from Samal Island which is near Davao (although across a decent stretch of water), they were then taken to Sulu where the Abu Sayyaf has a stronghold.

It might be a bit misleading to discuss this on the Davao thread unless readers know their geography. You're not likely to get beheaded in downtown Davao.

[QUOTE=Johnnyok;1871016]I feel sorry for his family, RIP.

I just hope all that kinda stuff fades away before I get to Davao for the festival in Aug, And they sort out them power blackouts. The world is truly gone crazy.[/QUOTE]As RK has pointed out, the barbarity occurred somewhere in Sulu, which is quite far from Davao and is no place foreigners are likely to go. And the kidnapping itself didn't occur in Davao, but on Samal, which is close, but another island and another province. Davao remains safe and that situation isn't likely to change.

I returned to Davao from Manila on Saturday and until Tuesday afternoon hadn't experienced any power interruptions. There was a brownout yesterday that lasted for approximately 40 minutes. My guess is that whatever work that was being undertaken on the new coal plant has been just about completed.

GE.

But it would be a shame to visit Davao and not get to visit the beaches at Samal. At it's nearest point it is only one kilometer from Davao city. If I'm not mistaken, the abduction took place at the north part of the island in a relatively remote location.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1871152]The hostages were being held in Sulu Archipelago which is a long way from Davao. The head was found in Sulu.

Although they were originally abducted from Samal Island which is near Davao (although across a decent stretch of water), they were then taken to Sulu where the Abu Sayyaf has a stronghold.

It might be a bit misleading to discuss this on the Davao thread unless readers know their geography. You're not likely to get beheaded in downtown Davao.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1871152]The hostages were being held in Sulu Archipelago which is a long way from Davao. The head was found in Sulu.

Although they were originally abducted from Samal Island which is near Davao (although across a decent stretch of water), they were then taken to Sulu where the Abu Sayyaf has a stronghold.

It might be a bit misleading to discuss this on the Davao thread unless readers know their geography. You're not likely to get beheaded in downtown Davao.[/QUOTE]Which would be the appropriate thread for this topic, Philippine politics and economics, other areas? I am serious, please advise.

I love Davao. I was just there in February and never felt like I was in danger anywhere I went. I stayed in two different hotels: Bagobo House and Green Window Dormitel.

Girls are very accessible in Davao. Evenings have a nice selection walking the streets and the price is right. On a previous trip, I was able to walk right out the door of Casa Leticia (another nice, but more expensive hotel) and within two blocks I found a sweetie to give me a BBBJ and COF for 1000 p, plus a 200 p tip. She even let me take pictures of her sitting there with my jizz on her face.

This time, I set everything up ahead of time through online dating sites. I make sure that I discussed my sexual likes and dislikes with all the girls I chatting online with them, so there was no surprise that I want sex when we got back to my room. I made no promises other than that I would meet them and treat them to lunch / coffee / dinner or shopping and then it was time to go back to the room and pay-up. Worked out great. I had three nights in Davao and three different successes. Filipinos, by and large, are pretty open to getting fucked by a foreigner after at most the second date. But, I also very much respect if they say no. Then, that's just my bad luck.

As for the Samal Island abduction, it was very unusual and, just like the abduction from Palawan a while back, was a huge reach for the Abu Sayaf Group. I basically avoid the western peninsula of Mindanao, but otherwise I feel safe in any populated area in Mindanao.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1871152]although across a decent stretch of water[/QUOTE]Exactly 12 minutes by the painfully slow and inefficient Sasa-Babak ferry.

I think it is important to remember why these unfortunate men where targeted. They where not random targets.

I was on Samal, actually riding by the resort, more or less when it happened. In addition to me and my buddy on bikes, many other white dudes where roaming Samal that day and any other given day. I have mates who live there. Not sure of the population but with the Russian fruit eaters in the south it must be hundreds of other white men and women living or visiting Samal.

There are so many "resorts" on Samal and I just try to avoid the crowded ones (more than one reason to do that by the way). Pick a place without so many white faces and stay sober. Beheaded by misguided Muslims is not a nice way to go, but neither is "crushed by big bus while saving money in Thai tourist van" on my top five list of departing.

[URL]https://asiancorrespondent.com/2015/03/thailand-road-deaths/[/URL]

B

Last week I spent 6 days in Davao City and I am here to confirm the city is safe. Venturing 1 hour or more to the North or South is not (I was told the South only was unsafe but after arriving I was told ISIS is within a couple of hours in either direction). The new president has control of that place and the people fear him which is good for us foreigners. If you are not familiar with Duterte do a google search and you will see why they respect him. I went to every mall and social area in Davao City. I went to strip clubs / bars, KTV's, as well as walking around San Pedro street.

The strip clubs in Davao City are garbage and dirty. The majority are located on San Pedro street within 2 blocks of My Hotel (yes that's the name of it). If you want to troll the street scene I would stay here or nearby. This area is not the greatest but safe nonetheless even at night. SW's are available near the parks in front of the city hall / council. Just hang around starting around 10 p. There is mix of normal girls and SW's. The later it gets, the percentage of SW's goes up. After midnight is ideal. There are about 4 bars / strip clubs in this area with Hot Legs 2 San Pedro being the main place. Each time I went there were about 15-20 girls. One of the girls said there are 30-40 girls that work there but I never saw this many. 120 pesos for beer. 300 pesos girl drinks. 2500 barfine ST plus 1 girl drink. 3500 TLN plus 3 girl drinks. Who would want TLN with these girls? Not me. I barfined 1 girl ST and took 1 SW and both were dead lays lasting about 10-15 minutes. Avoid the strip clubs / bars altogether I recommend. Be patient and wait for a nice, sweeter SW. The ones that have too much experience are bait and switch and this true almost everywhere with SW's. Afterward I realized my error, as I should have known better, but the girl had my look and it was late and I wanted something. Better to be patient in the park and make sure something clicks a little first. The other bars near HL2 were total crap with 2-5 girls and they were all unattractive.

The KTV's in Davao have some potential. The Blue Opera is located between The Grand Regal hotel and The Days Inn / Radisson. It's name has changed but I can't remember to what? It is walking distance from The Grand Regal but a little bit of a walk. BTW all taxis in Davao are metered (and cheap) and I was never ripped off. Ask the taxis about other KTV's. There at least 5 of them or more in Davao City. The KTV's basically work like this. You walk in and buy a drink. About 120 pesos. Then the boss gets all of the girls to line up. It is like a massage parlor presentation on a stage. They just stand up there and it isn't social. You pick one, have her sit down, the rest leave, and you can buy her a drink (300 pesos). You are required to buy her a drink every hour or so as this was what I was told. There is a VIP Room that cost 1000 k (if I can remember correctly) where you can touch but no sex (I think). Maybe someone has more experience with these places and can explain the process better. Look to barfine or move on. Barfine was 2.5 k-3 k ST and the girls are required to return before closing time (or at least that is what they said) unless the return time is after closing time. 1 k more for TLN plus 2 more lady drinks is required (or so I was told). There were low mileage girls to be had in the KTV's with natural attitudes. Many were students and had recently worked normal jobs. The essence of some of the girls were very nice unlike the bars / strip club girls and SW's.

My recommendation for Davao city is don't go there for mongering. There is nothing to do (at all) and life is full of errors which is common in The Third World. A storm came through one night and the internet stopped working as well. These two things amplify each other and the place gets boring and intolerable real quick.

I saw a bunch of relationship quality women in Davao. One woman, who was about 28 years old, especially caught my eye at a travel agency. I would have dated her for a serious relationship (which is what I want) if we were in another place. I see the big picture and there was no future there or anywhere else in The Philippines for me (sadly to say). At minimum, I would have had to spend time in Davao (developing the relationship) in the beginning as well as returning there to visit here family in the future. Davao and Palawan were my target cities for finding a place to live and be in a serious, committed relationship. After Davao I realized The Philippines was not going to work. I decided against traveling to Palawan and Cebu after visiting Davao City, cutting my trip to the Philippines shorter than was expected. I don't mind the dirty, naked children or the trash on the ground. I found the mental poverty intolerable and saw many parallels to the dysfunction I experienced in Medellin, Colombia.

I hope my reports help some of you guys. Good luck to you all!

I agree with the mental poverty. That starts with the education system which is on a (very) low level and (like other Asian education systems that I know a little about) doesn't try to evoke curiosity nor challenge the mind. If you combine that with a high jobless rate, very low income. Boredom strikes. The proverb about people sleeping so much because they have nothing better to do is so true.

One remark: you might have given up too soon. Certain areas of Manila, Cebu and other places like Bacolod have substantially higher income levels. Better uni's. A better infrastructure and, most importantly, a large number of professionals which are totally incomparable to the people you might have met while being in Davao.

[QUOTE=WhyTheFace;1884639] There is a VIP Room that cost 1000 k (if I can remember correctly) where you can touch but no sex (I think). [/QUOTE]Good report.

I did not spend a lot of time in the non family KTVs, but got hammered a couple of times with mates and fucked in the toilet of the VIP. Build some chemistry and then negotiate with the lady.

Be

The sex was mostly pedestrian BUT the scene was fresh. If you like student types that are relatively inexperienced, young and pretty you could live for a couple of weeks at the Blue KTV. It was a 47 php ride to the Grand Regal Hotel.

One girl insisted on being FB friends. Good thing that even with my name, I am hard to find. The girl posted herself and her little sister and brother eating ice cream, I guess with the few pesos now in her pocket. Girls are very sweet.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1871152]The hostages were being held in Sulu Archipelago which is a long way from Davao. The head was found in Sulu.

Although they were originally abducted from Samal Island which is near Davao (although across a decent stretch of water), they were then taken to Sulu where the Abu Sayyaf has a stronghold.

It might be a bit misleading to discuss this on the Davao thread unless readers know their geography. You're not likely to get beheaded in downtown Davao.[/QUOTE]With the very greatest of respect to both yourself & GE, Samal Is is very uncomfortably close to Davao for an abduction, even if the beheading was performed in Sulu.

With increasing foreigner numbers in Dipolog I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before they hit Dakak.

Not comfortable with this at all.

AV.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1887982]With the very greatest of respect to both yourself & GE, Samal Is is very uncomfortably close to Davao for an abduction, even if the beheading was performed in Sulu.
[/QUOTE]Again, with due respect AV, the post that you quoted is now relatively old and has been superseded by up-dated information that shows the perpetrators of the abduction carefully targeted their prospects because of unexplained activity.

It wasn't a random snatching.

I'd still maintain that you're relatively safe in Dakak and even Samal if you lie low and don't do anything to draw attention to yourself or upset the locals (or anyone else).

I am cautious in my pronouncements because the chance of random criminality can occur anywhere and especially in the Phils.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1887982]With the very greatest of respect to both yourself & GE, Samal Is is very uncomfortably close to Davao for an abduction, even if the beheading was performed in Sulu.

With increasing foreigner numbers in Dipolog I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before they hit Dakak.

Not comfortable with this at all.

AV.[/QUOTE]As RK has said, making predictions about what may occur here is risky as situations, relationships and political realities change day to day. My best guess is that the threats posed by the NPA and the radical Islamicists will abate, at least for a while for two reasons: one because Duterte has established reasonable lines of communications with these groups and two, because the proposed Federal model would provide the Muslim populations of Mindanao with far greater autonomy than they now enjoy. So at the very least, I think that the insurgent groups will wait to see what happens.

This is not to totally discount AV's concerns, which reflect a sense of heightened, more pervasive violence. I'm hoping, and indeed I expect, that the opposite will prove true.

GE.

I accidently toured Samal Island. On the way over, I was told this is where the kidnapping was but don't worry, there is heightened security. When there, I did not find a single cop nor soldier.

Samal Island was kind of a shithole too. Ya a few beach resorts but nothing much else.

The kidnapped Canadian was a mining executive. From what I have seen, those guys are targets all over the third world.

Governments won't pay but mining companies often do.

It's been a long while since I've been to Davao / Samal Island. An online friend tells me that the rolling blackouts have stopped. Is that true?

[QUOTE=XMan;1889803]It's been a long while since I've been to Davao / Samal Island. An online friend tells me that the rolling blackouts have stopped. Is that true?[/QUOTE]Yes X it's true.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1888293]Again, with due respect AV, the post that you quoted is now relatively old and has been superseded by up-dated information that shows the perpetrators of the abduction carefully targeted their prospects because of unexplained activity.

It wasn't a random snatching.

I'd still maintain that you're relatively safe in Dakak and even Samal if you lie low and don't do anything to draw attention to yourself or upset the locals (or anyone else).

I am cautious in my pronouncements because the chance of random criminality can occur anywhere and especially in the Phils.[/QUOTE]Understood RK.

I built a nice chill out home by the sea along the coast between Sindangan & Dipolog years ago & had been feeling increasingly safer in the general area from when I first arrived 10 years ago. Cops in the area no longer walk around ready to fight a war heavily armed with assault weapons etc.

Not so long ago a neighbor was decapitated.

This is not a normal event for that area in my experience.

I'm not panicking but my spidey sense tells me the rebel groups are demonstrating increased freedom of operations.

I loved my bolt hole far from girlfriends & the stress of business but I've survived this long using good opsec & common sense so avoiding visits there now. Darn shame really.

Time will tell.

AV.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1888318]As RK has said, making predictions about what may occur here is risky as situations, relationships and political realities change day to day. My best guess is that the threats posed by the NPA and the radical Islamicists will abate, at least for a while for two reasons: one because Duterte has established reasonable lines of communications with these groups and two, because the proposed Federal model would provide the Muslim populations of Mindanao with far greater autonomy than they now enjoy. So at the very least, I think that the insurgent groups will wait to see what happens.

This is not to totally discount AV's concerns, which reflect a sense of heightened, more pervasive violence. I'm hoping, and indeed I expect, that the opposite will prove true.

GE.[/QUOTE]I hope you're right GE.

As we both know, the lines between political violence & criminal violence are always blurred.

We all hold our breaths waiting to see what this presidency really brings.

Meanwhile I advise & practice increased caution.

Cheers.

AV.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1851717]Hopefully DS had registered his kids with the USA Embassy and obtained passports for them as USA Citizens prior to his passing.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=GoodEnough;1851841]Unfortunately none of the above was ever done, and so the kids, all start from scratch..[/QUOTE]I cannot imagine siring several children in a third world country and not having the foresight of seeing to it that they are taken care of once I'm gone. We all make decisions in life and after reading about this I'm damn glad I got a vasectomy. Let this be a lesson to any mongers who have no concern about spraying their load into multiple beavers with no worries about the repercussions. The future of these little bastards is not bright.

This place is the former site of a place called Station 91. It's a sort of amphitheater-style live band bar. It has a dance floor that gets packed with writing bodies, thankfully the majority of them female. I already had a date but I saw lots of girl-only tables with phone numbers being exchanged with nearby guys. It's worth checking out. It's on the same street as the Marco Polo, in the direction of Rizal Street.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1899286]I cannot imagine siring several children in a third world country and not having the foresight of seeing to it that they are taken care of once I'm gone. We all make decisions in life and after reading about this I'm damn glad I got a vasectomy. Let this be a lesson to any mongers who have no concern about spraying their load into multiple beavers with no worries about the repercussions. The future of these little bastards is not bright.[/QUOTE]Any more news on DS sired children?

Thanks Mahku, I've always been interested in "writing" bodies. Writing and writhing may be even more interesting. Could you please be more specific about the location.

[QUOTE=Mahku;1902353]This place is the former site of a place called Station 91. It's a sort of amphitheater-style live band bar. It has a dance floor that gets packed with writing bodies, thankfully the majority of them female. I already had a date but I saw lots of girl-only tables with phone numbers being exchanged with nearby guys. It's worth checking out. It's on the same street as the Marco Polo, in the direction of Rizal Street.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1902503]Thanks Mahku, I've always been interested in "writing" bodies. Writing and writhing may be even more interesting. Could you please be more specific about the location.[/QUOTE]Whoa, that'll teach me to try and tap out reports on my phone rather than using a proper keyboard! Damn autocorrect. Sorry about that X.

Suplados (sometimes spelled Supladoz or Supladohs) is on see. M. Recto Street, which is the street that goes past the Marco Polo and on to Gaisano Mall. The name of the street changes to Laurel in that direction. But Suplados is the other way. From the Marco Polo turn right out the gate and turn right onto Recto. Go about 400-500 meters and it's on the right, same side as the Marco.

Thanks for the directions. I've been told that the DV rolling blackouts are no longer a problem. I'd love to visit Davao again.

[QUOTE=Mahku;1902939]Whoa, that'll teach me to try and tap out reports on my phone rather than using a proper keyboard! Damn autocorrect. Sorry about that X.

Suplados (sometimes spelled Supladoz or Supladohs) is on see. M. Recto Street, which is the street that goes past the Marco Polo and on to Gaisano Mall. The name of the street changes to Laurel in that direction. But Suplados is the other way. From the Marco Polo turn right out the gate and turn right onto Recto. Go about 400-500 meters and it's on the right, same side as the Marco.[/QUOTE]

I just finished 10 days there and didn't see a single blackout.

USA charge is $600 to register a foreign child born of an American citizen. Where are those people going to get that kind of money and then jump through other financial hoops too? Then there are the ostensibly simple hoops like satisfactory documentation of parentage.

Surprised not to see anything on the board about the bomb that killed 12 and injured about 60 people last night in Davao. The attack, if that's what it was, occurred around the corner from Ateneo University and very close to the Marco Polo. The most rife speculation is that it was engineered by the Abu Sayyaf in retaliation for a huge deployment of Philippine Army troops to Sulu, sent there to eliminate this terrorist organization. The Army has evidently established a ubiquitous presence, and a series of checkpoints has been established.

I'm in Manila at the moment and was intending to return to Davao this afternoon, but have postponed the trip for a day in hopes that road travel there, once I arrive, will be a bit quicker than it is today.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1930944]Surprised not to see anything on the board about the bomb that killed 12 and injured about 60 people last night in Davao. The attack, if that's what it was, occurred around the corner from Ateneo University and very close to the Marco Polo. The most rife speculation is that it was engineered by the Abu Sayyaf in retaliation for a huge deployment of Philippine Army troops to Sulu, sent there to eliminate this terrorist organization. [/QUOTE]Abu Sayyaf has now claimed responsibility for the bombing.

A further case of filipinos targeting other filipinos, especially since it was in a local street market.

Unlikely to be many (if any) foreigners there at any time.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1930959]Abu Sayyaf has now claimed responsibility for the bombing.

A further case of filipinos targeting other filipinos, especially since it was in a local street market.

Unlikely to be many (if any) foreigners there at any time.[/QUOTE]Muslim terrorists.

Muslim terrorists.

Muslim terrorists.

They don't care who they kill or maim, Filipinos or non-Filipinos. Specifically targeting Davao City to send a message. The bastards need to be irradiated from earth.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1930944] <Snip> The most rife speculation is that it was engineered by the Abu Sayyaf in retaliation for a huge deployment of Philippine Army troops to Sulu, sent there to eliminate this terrorist organization.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1931001] <Snip> The bastards need to be irradiated from earth.[/QUOTE]Great. . The perpetual motion terror machine has made its way into Davao.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1930944]Surprised not to see anything on the board about the bomb that killed 12 and injured about 60 people last night in Davao. The attack, if that's what it was, occurred around the corner from Ateneo University and very close to the Marco Polo. The most rife speculation is that it was engineered by the Abu Sayyaf in retaliation for a huge deployment of Philippine Army troops to Sulu, sent there to eliminate this terrorist organization. The Army has evidently established a ubiquitous presence, and a series of checkpoints has been established.

I'm in Manila at the moment and was intending to return to Davao this afternoon, but have postponed the trip for a day in hopes that road travel there, once I arrive, will be a bit quicker than it is today.

GE.[/QUOTE]I was contemplating coming back in a month or so. Frankly I am thinking there may be less issues meeting my DIA contacts in Vietnam. I love the Philippines but think it is only a short time until foreigners will be fair game even though I am sure PNP would never plant drugs and guns.

It is a bit of an unsettling decision for us who are considering a visit vs those who choose to live in the Philippines.

Please keep us updated and thank you.

[QUOTE=Amanut;1931846]I was contemplating coming back in a month or so. Frankly I am thinking there may be less issues meeting my DIA contacts in Vietnam. I love the Philippines but think it is only a short time until foreigners will be fair game even though I am sure PNP would never plant drugs and guns.

It is a bit of an unsettling decision for us who are considering a visit vs those who choose to live in the Philippines.

Please keep us updated and thank you.[/QUOTE]Davao remains calm and its people are not living in fear. Rather, they're angry, fully support the President's efforts to exterminate the threat and refuse to alllow the tragedy to govern their lives. I have no concern, as a foreigner, that I'll be singled out for anything.

GE.

[QUOTE=Amanut;1931846]I was contemplating coming back in a month or so. Frankly I am thinking there may be less issues meeting my DIA contacts in Vietnam. I love the Philippines but think it is only a short time until foreigners will be fair game even though I am sure PNP would never plant drugs and guns.

It is a bit of an unsettling decision for us who are considering a visit vs those who choose to live in the Philippines.

Please keep us updated and thank you.[/QUOTE]Each to their own Amanut but as GE I have no fear for my safety and I have been to far worse places than the Philippines where I would see burning cars, some bodies and lots of angry people at the time. The Philippines is very calm compared with that for instance. If you have nothing to worry about then why be concerned? Living in Europe now could be considered more dangerous than the Philippines IMHO and as for the USA with the gun violence never ending, many would say don't go there either.

Each has his own view and the Philippines remains very nice and safe IMHO.

GE. I'm glad to know you nor any of your friends were in the area. And I'm glad the city is calm and not living in fear. I'm not afraid either, to me it's just luck of the draw if I were to get it like that. I was planning a visit to Tacloban but I decided not to, then the typhoon hit. I go to Roxas at night all the time but I wasn't there that night.

I'm in no way taking sides here, I don't know enough about Filipinos or Philippine politics to even have an opinion. And this is not to dispute anything you've written, and I'm not even in Davao so I wouldn't know the feelings on the street. But I know at least one person that feels like this. She is among the poorest of the community and lives a bit outside of city proper. Her mother is a vendor at the food market: "Am not going to church today I'm scared. I'll go tomorrow na Sam. Becuz Sam they planned to bomb anywhere. Like down town, church, market, where those people stock in,. I'm worried to my mother. As I heard Sam, when they attending meeting with duterte, then duterte said to abusayaf if they are willing to fight, they will fight too. Many innocent people be affected, becuz of dutertes mouth".

So that's just one opinion, and I don't know where she gets her information. I hope she's wrong.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1931905]Each to their own Amanut but as GE I have no fear for my safety and I have been to far worse places than the Philippines where I would see burning cars, some bodies and lots of angry people at the time. The Philippines is very calm compared with that for instance. If you have nothing to worry about then why be concerned? Living in Europe now could be considered more dangerous than the Philippines IMHO and as for the USA with the gun violence never ending, many would say don't go there either.

Each has his own view and the Philippines remains very nice and safe IMHO.[/QUOTE]We are living in a period that's unique, at least in our lifetime, during which Western values--largely Judeo-Christian--are under attack world wide. Within that context this country, overwhelmingly Christian, is not different from France, the US and Western European countries in the eyes of radical Islamicists. There's little difference in intent between slaughtering innocents in a Paris nightclub and bombing innocents in a Davao market. Given that similarity, I believe WR is correct; the Philippines is surely no more dangerous than France.

The major difference here is that the Philippines' Government can identify the location of the fanatics and is going after them relentlessly. I believe that in the long run, perhaps with assistance from its allies, this government will succeed in eliminating the threat. The Abu Sayyaf has been murdering and kidnapping innocent citizens for years, and prior governments have allowed this terrorist group to continue its activities unimpeded. This government has decided to take the fight to the insurgents.

There's little doubt that the situation here, as in France, the US and other countries, will be more fraught with tension than usual. However the population strongly supports the actions of the government, and likewise strongly supports the military and police in their collective effort to eliminate the Abu Sayyaf. The choice here as elesewhere for the country's population is to cower in fear, or to try to live normal--if somewhat more wary--daily lives. I believe that most have chosen the latter.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1932282]We are living in a period that's unique, at least in our lifetime, during which Western values--largely Judeo-Christian--are under attack world wide. Within that context this country, overwhelmingly Christian, is not different from France, the US and Western European countries in the eyes of radical Islamicists. There's little difference in intent between slaughtering innocents in a Paris nightclub and bombing innocents in a Davao market...[/QUOTE]With commentary as stupid enough as this. Where to start.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1932287]With commentary as stupid enough as this. Where to start.[/QUOTE]Perhaps with your quip.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1932287]With commentary as stupid enough as this. Where to start.[/QUOTE]Given your feelings Golfinho are we to assume you will no longer grace the Philippines board but stick to the Thai, African and Colombia threads where you post a lot because you are way too scared to come here or if you do will do what Amavida had suggested and hide in the toilet? - if the latter would be an interesting way to spend a vacation in the Philippines LOL.

Many of those I speak with consider the Abu Sayyaf as not terrorist per se just thugs and criminals who want to take a lot of the country for less than 2% of the population etc. They are happy that the new administration is doing something as the previous one as GE noted did little. Some of my friends are convinced that local politicians and police / army support the group to share in the reward money or sell them guns etc. Nothing is as straightforward as it seems here sometimes.

Europe can be considered way more threatening at present than the Philippines as unless you really want to visit Sulu, Jolo and Tawi Tawi or venture to remote parts of Mindanao why are you so scared? Most mongers stick to the main cities all of which are likely more safe than say Brussels or Paris at this moment.

But as I said, each to own, we all feel differing threats in different ways and act accordingly. Some hide in the CR (LOL) others wander sit in their 'office' and have coffee watching the eye candy LOL.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1932287]With commentary as stupid enough as this. Where to start.[/QUOTE]Whether you want to call it stupid or not it started years ago when a certain ME country warned everyone terriost will be at your front door soon enough.

BTW, GE comments are pretty much right on.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1932395]But as I said, each to own, we all feel differing threats.[/QUOTE]Too funny, a scare mongered American bravely standing up to the threats he's feeling everywhere around him! How wicked.

Put yourself in these peoples' shoes (not that you could) and how would you like living with the lot they were born into? Imagine you'd take it bending over? Our premise is that so called terrorism is largely blow back, a response to actual terrorism in other words.

Just spent 5 days at Davao City in August during Kadayawan festival. Stayed in the Marco Polo hotel and spent marvelous times with friends who came and stayed the nights. I don't go to clubs anymore since lots of friends are willing to spend time and provide GFE throughout all nights. The days and nights were wonderful, joyous and full of spirit of the festival. Never felt any threat, whatsoever. Two days ago a friend who was with me contacted me on Skype and told about the Abu Sayyaf attack. She is very worried about their daily life. I told her to go with her normal life and don't worry about it. I had many personal experiences in my life where things were very touchy sometimes. Hey I live in New York City, the prime target of terrorists. Then again, it never occurs to me that I can face danger anytime when I take the mass transit. Business as usual. I think it will be a miserable life, if constantly think of ensuing trouble on which you have no control. Just reduce the risk not visiting questionable areas, if you know what and where they are.

Today, one of my colleagues at work asked me whether I will visit Philippines again, if there is a 15% chance of unforeseen trouble. My answer was a resounding YES. Unless the risk go over 50%, I would never think of abandoning the best country to experience GFE day in day out from girls in their 20's. Just left a 23 yr old never married, no children, college graduate in tears because I refuse to agree to be her BF. Sometimes you have to pinch yourself to confirm that you are not dreaming.

Believe me, the way things are throughout the world now, Philippines is easily one the best target destinations to visit. On top of that it was nice to see that dollar goes a long way to enjoy the overall experience. Just one man's opinion.

Bandy.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1932661]Too funny, a scare mongered American bravely standing up to the threats he's feeling everywhere around him! How wicked.

Put yourself in these peoples' shoes (not that you could) and how would you like living with the lot they were born into? Imagine you'd take it bending over? Our premise is that so called terrorism is largely blow back, a response to actual terrorism in other words.[/QUOTE]I don't know if English is your native language, but if you have an actual point to make, I have difficulty discerning what it is. Just to make you a bit better informed, the bomb that killed 16 people here was an act of "actual terrorism. " Despite this, most of the people whom I know here, and I know many, are going about their lives in normal fashion. By the way, the past participle of the verb "to scare" is "scared. " And if the "scare monger" (not mongered) to whom you're referring is me, I'd like to clarify that I'm not at all scared. I've lived through far worse than this, including civil wars all over Africa, and I continue to live a normal life here.

I've no idea if you're one of those Internet warriors who remains ensconced in his parent's house while voacariously living through the reported adventures of others or if you've actually set foot outside of your country. However, regardless of your circumstances, it doesn't appear to me that you've got anything new to say. Perhaps, before expressing an inchoate invective, you should visit Davao and develop a basis on which to form an opinion.

Anyway, it's all good and we are all entitled to express ourselves.

GE.

I was mildly surprised by the lack of responses to GE's report of the recent bombing.

One of the first responders was considering using his DIA contacts in another country. Not knowing his modus operandi, it could range from enjoying the girl in his room and sending her on her way to going on a 'normal date'. In the first case, his danger level has barely increased as he is unlikely to be injured by the blast, and I have read a report that the bomber was turned away from the Marco Polo, which is next door to the market. In the second case, he might well take her to a night club / disco. How many members have ever looked around in one of these venues and thought 'If this place goes up in flames, what are my chances of getting out?' Who thinks about that? But how different are the chances?

On one of my recent visits to Manila, I attended an event at the Cuneta Astrodome in Pasay City. At the end there was the usual cavalry charge for the exit. I had been sitting near the back, so I had to go down a flight of steps, and then reverse direction down a further flight of steps to the outside. At the level bit between flights, everything ground to a halt. I was able to see that the foot of the stairs was barred by a full height, closed and attended gate. This was closed to enable people to leave from the ground level. I remember thinking that if there was a surge of people on the upper stairs, and somebody overbalanced, it could all become very nasty, very quickly. I was particularly concerned as I was with a friend and his two young daughters. What would happen in an emergency with consequent panic, I would rather not think about.

So my feeling is that people probably put themselves in potentially dangerous situations unwittingly, so that the threat of a bombing does not materially increase the danger levels.

Disclosure. I live in a country that has had politico-religious violence since before the Philippine Republic existed (research IRA bombings) and live in a town that used to annually host political party annual conferences (research Brighton conference bombings). It's just something that might happen, like getting struck by lightning or mown down by a drunk driver.

[QUOTE=ShiningWit;1933215]live in a town that used to annually host political party annual conferences (research Brighton conference bombings). It's just something that might happen, like getting struck by lightning or mown down by a drunk driver.[/QUOTE]Left or right of the pier?! (rhetorical question, being on this site).

I agree: where I (now) live there was a mass shooting (ooh no prizes for guessing which country) which happened at a building I'd been inside only a few months prior. Am I nervous going back there? No. Random attack, in terms of whodunnit rather than why it was a target (employee). Avoid known trouble spots but avoid paranoia too.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1933522]Left or right of the pier?! (rhetorical question, being on this site).[/QUOTE]Under it! Seriously, it's not Brighton, but further along the coast.

I was driving a bus at the time, and a popular attitude was 'If I report an unaccompanied parcel on board, I will have to wait for the police and I can probably miss my next trip. '

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1935013]I will reach Philippines in some months and I will have 20 free days. In those 20 free days I'd like to get 3 real and interesting girlfriend experiences only.

I'd like to rent an apartment with kitchen and sometimes to cook. I like to cook. I don't take interest abour dirty or beautiful places, I like only to be in my apartment for much time with her. If I had to be in Davao, what is the best place to stay? Maybe is good to stay in downtown? I'm thinking to reach Davao but I have read interesting words on Cebu too. In your opinion is it better to reach Davao or Cebu for 20 days?

Thanks for some info.[/QUOTE]Marco Polo is safe bet for first timer to Davao.

Cebu had more hotels than you can count. Check online for apartments but I'd start with a decent hotel on a first visit.

Haven't visited Davao in quite awhile. Last time there, was with a 22 year old girl I thought had possibilities, and we looked at a low-rise apartment unit located just across the street from the original SM Mall. At the time, the mall had just about completed construction and was soon to open. Alas (or fortunately?) the relationship with that girl was not meant to be (she later became a "spotlight dancer" at Crystal Palace in Angeles, and then "retired" to Manila), never rented the apartment, and now another decade seems to have slipped away. Recall, at the time, eating at Ah Fat Chinese at the side of Victoria Mall. Also have fond memories of a peaceful stay a few days afterward at Hof Gorei on the GI of Samal.

Thanks to GE, on another post, for advising in part, "Davao has changed substantially in the decade since you have been here. It's booming economically, and Western-type restaurants are opening all over the place. Some of them are quite good".

Might have a chance to visit Davao City again in a few months, and would much appreciate recommendations from GE and any other Davao gurus of your own current personal top fave Western resto there?

Thanks in advance.

OM.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1935013]... I will have 20 free days. I'd like to rent an apartment with kitchen and sometimes to cook. I like to cook.[/QUOTE]If you're looking for a flat with a kitchen and other home-style amenities the first place you ought to check is airbnb. Have you ever heard of it? This is true for cities around the world, but not Mecca and Medina if you're an infidel.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1937469]
My worry is it will be hard or very hard to fuck regular girls in short time cause their shyness and cause they are conservative.[/QUOTE]Nothing you can do about that other than do your best in initial online correspondence and video chat to determine their timidity. Of course it has been reported throughout history that what a women says and what she does often don't align. Astonishing, right?

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1937469]
I will have 20 free days and I'd like to get only 2 wonderful girlfriend experiences.[/QUOTE]There you are. You have the first 10 days to find wonderful girlfriend experience #1, and then you have the second 10 days to find wonderful girlfriend experience #2. I think this task is accomplishable in the Philippines.

Thinking of the questions you've posted here I concluded that not only do you have little experience with the Philippines and women, you may have little experience with life. The naivete of the questions are at times precious.

Then I read this:

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1850572]I'm talking with many beautiful and sweet girls on the net in Manila. All them have just told me they have a denture, that is fake teeth with plastic palate. In this forum why is nobody talking about this issue of the pinays?

I think it is an important problem for a beautiful girl. Maybe do all you like to kiss girls with denture with plastic palates? Only me I don't like to kiss fake teeth? How can you like and fuck girls with dentures?[/QUOTE]

And then:

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1850592]I am sad for that reality but it is hard for me to kiss such girls with fake teeth. I regret I have just bought a ticket for the Philippines because I did not know that denture problems of the pinays. Pity for them and for me.[/QUOTE]Which was followed by:

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1850781]
I'm curious where you fish girls with good teeth before going to Philippines. [/QUOTE]Either you're mental or this is one brilliant wind up - I hope it's the latter. I'm genuinely tempted to post your questions on reddit to witness the melt down.

As I dwell on that, I'll give you a scenario to fret over. You may have heard many beautiful and sweet girls on the net in the Philippines shave their pussies. This reveals their dusky uvulas, skin that's much darker than the rest of their bodies - well the underarms are darker too. Is this important problem for a beautiful girl going to be a boner buster for you too?

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1993162]Can some of them come to my apartment when I will be with the last girl. I am very worried about that. [/QUOTE]You can tell the first girls that you have a girlfriend now. Pinays will generally not interfere. If any get pushy, tell them you can only meet for a threesome.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1993162]
Will I get worries with the girls I will fuck in the first 10 days even if I will give them some money?
[/QUOTE]Absolutely you'll get worries. Cuddles and worries. That's how you roll.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1993162]
Can some of them come to my apartment when I will be with the last girl. I am very worried about that.
[/QUOTE]That's a good worry. Surely you'll want that one.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1993162]
I will give every girl 1500 php for every night if she sleeps with me and I will give the last girl around 1000 php for every day for 12 days (I pay also all her stay with me). I am really troubled by those girls I will fuck in the first days because the will want to meet me again and when I will be with the last girl, if I will not answer to their messages they can reach my apartment to meet me again.[/QUOTE]Sounds complicated, which is the best course of action to maximise your worries. Add other variables. For example, have you considered the unknown unknowns? Worrying about things you haven't even conceived of yet ought to get your mind working in a frenzy.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1993162]
I am not worries if they have darker skin in some their places but I like good teeth because I will be always to kiss them. .
[/QUOTE]OK, up to you. I think you're missing out though. A lot girls have this worry, and if you have this worry too the cumulative group worry filling the room is exponentially greater than a sole worry in your noggin. You could be missing out on catastrophising.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1993329]Absolutely you'll get worries. Cuddles and worries. That's how you roll.

That's a good worry. Surely you'll want that one.

Sounds complicated, which is the best course of action to maximise your worries. Add other variables. For example, have you considered the unknown unknowns? Worrying about things you haven't even conceived of yet ought to get your mind working in a frenzy.

OK, up to you. I think you're missing out though. A lot girls have this worry, and if you have this worry too the cumulative group worry filling the room is exponentially greater than a sole worry in your noggin. You could be missing out on catastrophising.[/QUOTE]This is very funny. 10 points.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1993329]Absolutely you'll get worries. Cuddles and worries. That's how you roll.

That's a good worry. Surely you'll want that one.

OK, up to you. I think you're missing out though. A lot girls have this worry, and if you have this worry too the cumulative group worry filling the room is exponentially greater than a sole worry in your noggin. You could be missing out on catastrophising.[/QUOTE]ROD candidate? Certainly BH is a candidate. For something.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1993462]Certainly BH is a candidate. For something.[/QUOTE]Hopeful I remain. He hasn't yet matched the posts of the fella who was worried about spiders and centipedes, but BH's fixation on toothless gals' dentures delighted me.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1993162]Dear Hutsori,

I thank you for your news. In some days I will reach Davao and I changed a bit my plan.

I will have 22 free days in Davao. I booked an apartment with kitchen because I like to cook. Many girls like to come to my apartment to eat my food. At the beginning I thought to get only 2 girls in 22 days because I like to cuddle and to be cuddled. But now I'm thinking to fuck 2-3 girls in the first 10 days and then to get another girl (the last before to leave Davao) for the remaining 12 days. She is really wonderful and I like to be with her for 12 days. My question:

Will I get worries with the girls I will fuck in the first 10 days even if I will give them some money? Can some of them come to my apartment when I will be with the last girl. I am very worried about that. I will give every girl 1500 php for every night if she sleeps with me and I will give the last girl around 1000 php for every day for 12 days (I pay also all her stay with me). I am really troubled by those girls I will fuck in the first days because the will want to meet me again and when I will be with the last girl, if I will not answer to their messages they can reach my apartment to meet me again.

I am not worries if they have darker skin in some their places but I like good teeth because I will be always to kiss them. .

Thanks again one.[/QUOTE]Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? Maybe it was really written by a native English speaker attempting to sound as a non-native speaker. Just a thought, but it's tough to believe that anyone could be this absurd when trying to speak seriously.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1993821]Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? Maybe it was really written by a native English speaker attempting to sound as a non-native speaker. Just a thought, but it's tough to believe that anyone could be this absurd when trying to speak seriously. GE.[/QUOTE]Or perhaps the guy's just crazy, in which case you're giving him far too much credit.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1993821]Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? Maybe it was really written by a native English speaker attempting to sound as a non-native speaker. Just a thought, but it's tough to believe that anyone could be this absurd when trying to speak seriously.

GE.[/QUOTE]I agree with GE. This post looks like a put-on. Hilarious repartee by Huts.

P. S."Alpha": "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. It might not have good teeth, and then you won't be able to kiss it".

"Bravo": "Don't worry, darling. Just close your eyes and fantasize and smooch away to your heart's content".

On a more positive note, PAL has just announced 3 x weekly non-stop flights between Clark & Davao. More convenient for those going to or coming from Davao.

OM.

Soon BH will ask; how long is a road? And how can I find it? Is Davao girl taller or shorter than the average hight for pinays and how can I meet them? If so how tall is that? All girls love me, how can I avoid?

I hope I am mistaken but lets see. If he only was joking it would be kind of fun.

I am out.

And now the Davao thread is talking about BH? Thanks VP.

Anyone been to Samal lately? Which beach do you recommend?

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1994105]Soon BH will ask; how long is a road? And how can I find it? Is Davao girl taller or shorter than the average hight for pinays and how can I meet them? If so how tall is that? All girls love me, how can I avoid?

I hope I am mistaken but lets see. If he only was joking it would be kind of fun.

I am out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1993821]Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? Maybe it was really written by a native English speaker attempting to sound as a non-native speaker. Just a thought, but it's tough to believe that anyone could be this absurd when trying to speak seriously.

GE.[/QUOTE]Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful. Also, this guy is probably not versed in our culture of sarcasm and thus does not comprehend most of the responses that have been levied against him. In the same manner we don't comprehend that the tone of this forum is often antagonistic especially to the so-called newbie.

Recently I sought help in another forum to solve a tricky financial problem. Several posters immediately answered my query and the problem was solved. Nobody said Read the Fuckin' Forum (Although searching for the answer in that forum would not require wading through all the bile, tripe and other intestinal contents cluttering the ISG). Nor did they advise me to buy a subscription for $20 and they will PM me the answer.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1994554]Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful. Also, this guy is probably not versed in our culture of sarcasm and thus does not comprehend most of the responses that have been levied against him. In the same manner we don't comprehend that the tone of this forum is often antagonistic especially to the so-called newbie.

Recently I sought help in another forum to solve a tricky financial problem. Several posters immediately answered my query and the problem was solved. Nobody said Read the Fuckin' Forum (Although searching for the answer in that forum would not require wading through all the bile, tripe and other intestinal contents cluttering the ISG). Nor did they advise me to buy a subscription for $20 and they will PM me the answer.[/QUOTE]First of all glad you got help to sort out your issues. I think you overreact a tad here. Its not like you don't get any help here but its like when the people with very few posts start asking the same questions all over again without having spend a minute looking for the answers, then you can not expect so much help. Often these BMs just ask ask ask aka take take take and never give anything in return. Often these BMs are from the subcontinent. Its only selfjustice so to speak. And even if they get help they don't say thank you and even if they "allways" promise a FR we rarely see one. They even have the nerve to ask for digits. If you are senior member with a good posting history people will be most helpful around here. Some selfstudying as in RTTF never hurts though, hehe. In this Davao thread we have BM BestHunter keeping us entertained with the oustmost detailed questionbase you will ever see. It doesn't help what anyone tells him. We don't know if he is just being funny or if he is something else. Hard to establish realy. Happy poonin.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1994215]In your opinion, how much money do I have to give this girl in Davao? I explain you better. I'm talking with a beautiful and sweet 25 years old girl for 2 moths. She live with her auntie, she is a regular girl (not freelancer) and she is really beautiful, very sweet, has 2 kids. There is feeling between me and her. Some time ago I told her I don't like to marry and to get a bond but she hopes in that. She will live with me as husband and wife in my apartment for 2 weeks in Davao. We will cook together, will reach Samal, some restaurants, clubs, spa, I will give her some small gifts too, etc. When I will part from her, in your opinion how much money can I give her (around)? What is your thought?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]One day 2. 000 pesos. 15 Days, 30.000 pesos.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1994554]Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful. Also, this guy is probably not versed in our culture of sarcasm and thus does not comprehend most of the responses that have been levied against him. In the same manner we don't comprehend that the tone of this forum is often antagonistic especially to the so-called newbie.

Recently I sought help in another forum to solve a tricky financial problem. Several posters immediately answered my query and the problem was solved. Nobody said Read the Fuckin' Forum (Although searching for the answer in that forum would not require wading through all the bile, tripe and other intestinal contents cluttering the ISG). Nor did they advise me to buy a subscription for $20 and they will PM me the answer.[/QUOTE]Perfect input!. Honestly I wonder what kind of a life some of the posters do have. I had a privilege to see one of them in Cebu (Radisson Blu Executive club) while putting his bile into the forums. The guy was a total creep.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1993821]Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? [/QUOTE]Yes, I mentioned earlier I thought BH was winding us up. I don't mind playing along to see where the absurdity goes.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1994677]One day 2. 000 pesos. 15 Days, 30.000 pesos.[/QUOTE]Of course it's the standard practice to subtract p100 for each missing tooth.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1994554]Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful.[/QUOTE]I view things in context. A first time / newish poster I treat with kindness and provide, I hope, satisfactory answers. But, when I see frequent questions and comments, many that are bizarre, and no FRs or other productive output ... well, that's altogether a different matter.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1994677]One day 2. 000 pesos. 15 Days, 30.000 pesos.[/QUOTE]Yap. Ditto. Small price to pay for 2 weeks of young honey. That is, if you can put up with her for 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1994695]Of course it's the standard practice to subtract p100 for each missing tooth.[/QUOTE]Haha stop it! No more BH denture jokes.

Related story (glance away BH): Recently I was with one of my regular province girls (bussed in), age 23. Her local BF had cobbled together p1300 for fake upper front teeth. The teeth gave her a wicked smile, canine-ish, every smile looks nawty (and she knows it). She complained that they were a bit loose and that she wanted to re-visit the dentist who made them to get a new set (hint, hint, money). One morning at sunup I felt a pinch on my ass, like I'd been bit by a small animal. Yikes! I reached down and pulled something small, solid, and sharp from betwixt my ass-cheeks. Yes, it was her fake teeth. BH turn away! Jesus! I tossed it on the nightstand, but I couldn't go back to sleep. I jumped in the shower to wash off last night's no-aircon-live-band-bar sweat / stink / smoke, and as I stepped out of the shower to towel off, she was sitting on the commode. She flushed and went back to bed while I was still toweling off. When I went back into the bedroom I noticed the fake teeth no longer on the nightstand. BH you should go make a sandwich.

I jostled her and asked where her fake teeth were. She turned her face to me without opening her eyes, smiled big, and pointed to the fake teeth in her mouth. O!M!F!G! Ewwwwwww!

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1994699]I view things in context. A first time / newish poster I treat with kindness and provide, I hope, satisfactory answers. But, when I see frequent questions and comments, many that are bizarre, and no FRs or other productive output ... well, that's altogether a different matter.[/QUOTE]Yes, poor BH forgot where he was. He walked into the barrio while wearing bling. He takes without giving. If there was any indication of his previous descriptive FR's in phils (or anywhere), he'd be more palatable. On those occasions where we have publicly helped newbs, they rarely post any field reports after their trip (s). Let them ask questions in PM, I'll be glad to answer them there.

OTOH, on rare occasion some newb gets help, then later tells us about his experiences on the board. Kudos to you, rare fella.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1994954]Some guys here think to be the owners of the forum. They are poor mind because they are only guests of the forum.[/QUOTE]Greetings, Mr Hunter. I have zero insider knowledge, but I've always supposed that this forum has three sources of support: clicking on ads, paid memberships, and contributions that attract readers. If the support proves inadequate, the forum will die. It's natural for the paid members and effective contributors to want to get the most value for their money or efforts. (Nobody without insider knowledge has any idea who clicks on what ads or how much that's worth.) We were all born new and ignorant. However, since we're all adults in this forum, many expect participants to make at least token, symbolic contributions. We can all share at least simple information about someplace in the world we know well in our home country: Which hotels are good? Which areas are unsafe? Even better if there are contributions specific to this forum's purpose. I can't remember any questions posted by a contributor (of useful information, not just questions) in this forum that hasn't been thoughtfully answered.

There is plenty of rudeness in internetland, but there's no cure for that without adding moderator expense. Why should any of us share our experiences, information, or observations? Let's do what we can to make this forum mutually useful.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1994711]I jostled her and asked where her fake teeth were. She turned her face to me without opening her eyes, smiled big, and pointed to the fake teeth in her mouth. O!M!F!G! Ewwwwwww![/QUOTE]You've single-handedly (or single-assedly) scared us away from overnighters with Pinays wearing dentures! Checklist: Valuables in the safe, door locked, cellphone charging, nothing in bed that's going to bite me in the ass. Ahhh. Good night, sweetheart.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1994988]You've single-handedly (or single-assedly) scared us away from overnighters with Pinays wearing dentures! Checklist: Valuables in the safe, door locked, cellphone charging, nothing in bed that's going to bite me in the ass. Ahhh. Good night, sweetheart.[/QUOTE]Sometimes, it can work the other way.

Remember years ago taking "evil" Sheila (her stage name; long since gone) plus two newbie girls from the old Bunny Ranch when it was located near Bunny Restaurant. I had just flown in that same evening via Manila, was horribly jet lagged, had had way too much to drink, but was feeling irrationally exuberant in a kind of dazed fashion. Remember, while in doggy, seeing Sheila's lovely round ass like an alluring moon just calling to me. Before I knew what I was doing, pulled out, leaned over and nipped that lovely ass cheek. Not hard enough to draw blood, but enough to leave an imprint or tooth mark.

Man, Sheila was startled and immediately became violently upset. She started shouting and berating me, threatening to go to the cops. The two other girls, who were duds anyway, wanted to leave at this point, so I sent them off with a modest tip. Spent several hours cajoling and placating "evil" Sheila, and toward morning, pointed out that the teeth marks had completely disappeared. That, plus a P500 tip, finally mollified her and at last off she went.

I checked out of that particular hotel (the original Pacific Breeze) later that morning, and never went back. Walls were too thin, and just had not had "good luck" there in any case. Saw Sheila a day or so later at BR, and the whole thing had become a non-event to her, although I never took her out again.

To this day, still don't know what possessed me. Very atypical. Just too drunk, I guess. For lack of a better explanation, "The devil made me do it"! But, actually, you know, it was kind of fun.

Caution: Do not try to do this yourself; only to be done by trained professionals, and only at great personal risk to life and limb.

OM.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1994891]You can't pay for this shit. Sometimes I love ISG.[/QUOTE]I should sell my stories.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1994988]Checklist: Valuables in the safe, door locked, cellphone charging, nothing in bed that's going to bite me in the ass. Ahhh. Good night, sweetheart. [/QUOTE]The things I endure to bring you gents a pic.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1994988]You've single-handedly (or single-assedly) scared us away from overnighters with Pinays wearing dentures! [/QUOTE]Looks like I get all the brown beauty to myself. BH will have to finger-check each girl's teeth (molar: check, bicuspid: check, incisor: check). Paging doctor Hunter. Paging doctor Hunter. Wait, wasn't I the one who called for a moratorium on denture jokes recently?

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2002215]Today was the first meeting and I hope to write here again. In my opinion Davao is a wonderful place to meet wonderful girls.[/QUOTE]Congratulations, HookLineAndSinker. The fairer sex is really amazing.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2002215]Friends, I have arrived in Davao from 2 days and I called that girl I knew on Internet before to travel. That girl is driving me crazy with joy. If before to meet her I was convinced that she was a regular girl, now I am convinced more and more. I spoke with her on Facebook and I liked her pics. When I met her for the first time this morning I was astonished by her beauty. She is more beautiful in person than in the pics. She is 167 cm (5'6" She is from Tagum and she cannot sleep with me because her mother doesn't permit it. She took the bus at 6:00 am and arrived in my building around 9:00 am because there is traffic. In many years I travel around the world, I never met a so beautiful girl. She is very simple and natural girl but what I like more about her is her sweetness. It can seem a dream, after just a day I'm falling in love for her but I cannot do it. Help!! Before to take the bus to go at home, she wanted me so much and she become to kiss me deeply and become to undress me because she wanted to fuck again before leaving. While I was fucking her she rejoiced and when she reached orgasm almost screamed. She is so hot in the bed. I will meet her for 6 days and every day she have to travel for 6 hours. It seems incredible but she want me. Today was the first meeting and I hope to write here again. In my opinion Davao is a wonderful place to meet wonderful girls.[/QUOTE]More power to you, brother.

OM.

BH has posted a positive field report. Kudo's brother.

Good job Mr. Hunter. Your due diligence paid off, nice to hear it . Thanks for the report. "The Hunter gets captured by the prey". We could have fun naming the baby. I'm just kidding man. But seriously, please don't get her pregnant. And check back in later. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2002215]Friends. I will meet her for 6 days and every day she have to travel for 6 hours. It seems incredible but she want me. Today was the first meeting and I hope to write here again. In my opinion Davao is a wonderful place to meet wonderful girls.[/QUOTE]You are getting in way over your head. You poor guy. Back off and play the field until you have a little better feeling for the lay of the land. But first go ahead and meet the family. Report how much of a donation you were asked to make.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2002468]BH has posted a positive field report. Kudo's brother.[/QUOTE]I still see a train wreck approaching.

The lights are flashing but there may be a feeling that he can beat the train through the rail crossing.

I will watch for "breaking news".

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2002215]Friends, I have arrived in Davao from 2 days and I called that girl I knew on Internet before to travel. That girl is driving me crazy with joy. If before to meet her I was convinced that she was a regular girl, now I am convinced more and more. I spoke with her on Facebook and I liked her pics. When I met her for the first time this morning I was astonished by her beauty. She is more beautiful in person than in the pics. She is 167 cm (5'6" She is from Tagum and she cannot sleep with me because her mother doesn't permit it. She took the bus at 6:00 am and arrived in my building around 9:00 am because there is traffic. In many years I travel around the world, I never met a so beautiful girl. She is very simple and natural girl but what I like more about her is her sweetness. It can seem a dream, after just a day I'm falling in love for her but I cannot do it. Help!! Before to take the bus to go at home, she wanted me so much and she become to kiss me deeply and become to undress me because she wanted to fuck again before leaving. While I was fucking her she rejoiced and when she reached orgasm almost screamed. She is so hot in the bed. I will meet her for 6 days and every day she have to travel for 6 hours. It seems incredible but she want me. Today was the first meeting and I hope to write here again. In my opinion Davao is a wonderful place to meet wonderful girls.[/QUOTE]Gosh I so remember when I was young and full of beans and every filipina was more beautiful than the next. I was convinced I was in heaven. Then I learnt that the girl who said she travelled 3 hours to see me was actually living around the corner. Then I learnt it wasnt her mom that wouldn't let her stay with me, it was her husband. Then I was so happy when she asked if I could help her with a little money, as I knew she loved me and the money was a small amount ot me compared to her happiness.

Then she went silent for a day whilst she scored some shabu but she told me she had a cold. Then I learnt she had some big brothers who were upset with me and I had to leave town in a hurry.

These newbies are what we were once. Before we wised up and realised their shit also stinks and that they lie with no compunction and and hesitation and the greener the guy, the more he falls for it.

Wise up fast young man. Whats that sound. Yes. Thats the 9. 15 express right on time.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1994554]Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful. Also, this guy is probably not versed in our culture of sarcasm and thus does not comprehend most of the responses that have been levied against him. In the same manner we don't comprehend that the tone of this forum is often antagonistic especially to the so-called newbie.

Recently I sought help in another forum to solve a tricky financial problem. Several posters immediately answered my query and the problem was solved. Nobody said Read the Fuckin' Forum (Although searching for the answer in that forum would not require wading through all the bile, tripe and other intestinal contents cluttering the ISG). Nor did they advise me to buy a subscription for $20 and they will PM me the answer.[/QUOTE]This same fellow tho has been using other boards with the same questions about how much to pay. Asking many many times and disagreeing with the responses. Hes waiting till someone gives him the answer he agrees with. Hes also asked how h can tell if a gal in manila is hornier than a gal in Jakarta. Guy seems to be newer than new.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1937469]. My worry is it will be hard or very hard to fuck regular girls in short time cause their shyness and cause they are conservative. I will have 20 free days and I'd like to get only 2 wonderful girlfriend experiences.[/QUOTE]On the other board on which you have spent a long time asking many guys how much you should pay, theres a board member with a wonderful report, day by day about his adventures in Davao. Hes on day 75 at moment and hes probably scored with about 55 girls in Davao so far. Shy and conservative. Yeah right. The boy has got a lot to learn.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2002535]Gosh I so remember when I was young and full of beans and every filipina was more beautiful than the next. I was convinced I was in heaven. Then I learnt that the girl who said she travelled 3 hours to see me was actually living around the corner. Then I learnt it wasnt her mom that wouldn't let her stay with me, it was her husband. Then I was so happy when she asked if I could help her with a little money, as I knew she loved me and the money was a small amount ot me compared to her happiness.

Then she went silent for a day whilst she scored some shabu but she told me she had a cold. Then I learnt she had some big brothers who were upset with me and I had to leave town in a hurry.

These newbies are what we were once. Before we wised up and realised their shit also stinks and that they lie with no compunction and and hesitation and the greener the guy, the more he falls for it.

Wise up fast young man. Whats that sound. Yes. Thats the 9. 15 express right on time.[/QUOTE]Possibly not everyone has a negative Nellie experience. Some may get everyone else's while they are spared.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2002539]On the other board on which you have spent a long time asking many guys how much you should pay, theres a board member with a wonderful report, day by day about his adventures in Davao. Hes on day 75 at moment and hes probably scored with about 55 girls in Davao so far. Shy and conservative. Yeah right. The boy has got a lot to learn.[/QUOTE]I've wondered off and on if all of these posts weren't total BS, and if this is really some guy in mommy' basement playing wish fulfillment games in bad English. His reports suggest no knowledge of the city, and his characterizations bear no relationship to the city I've gotten to know pretty well over the past 14 years or so. So, it would be nice to know, where he took his (imaginary?) honey. What restaurants for example, and where were they? What specific shops? In what hotel is he staying? What's his assessment of the hotels? How is he getting around the city? Where has he gone? There are just no details to suggest he's even here.

GE.

A fake report is better than no report I guess. But make no mistakes BH is probably, when mom allows him, working the google to come up with some names and places(if not, this could be valuable hints to you BH). Atleast give us, your best supporters, a solid fake report and not just this laim one..

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2002568]I've wondered off and on if all of these posts weren't total BS, and if this is really some guy in mommy' basement playing wish fulfillment games in bad English. His reports suggest no knowledge of the city, and his characterizations bear no relationship to the city [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2002537]This same fellow tho has been using other boards with the same questions about how much to pay. Asking many many times and disagreeing with the responses. Hes waiting till someone gives him the answer he agrees with. Hes also asked how h can tell if a gal in manila is hornier than a gal in Jakarta. Guy seems to be newer than new.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2002528]I still see a train wreck approaching.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2002484]You are getting in way over your head. You poor guy. Back off and play the field until you have a little better feeling for the lay of the land. But first go ahead and meet the family. Report how much of a donation you were asked to make.[/QUOTE]So gents: Its ok if I post the occasional Besty-denture thing? He did not mention is his first FR whether she had fake teeth. BH?

[QUOTE=Sam14;2002474]Good job Mr. Hunter. Your due diligence paid off, nice to hear it . Thanks for the report. "The Hunter gets captured by the prey". We could have fun naming the baby. I'm just kidding man. But seriously, please don't get her pregnant. And check back in later. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Expect solicitation for information on how to tell if a pinay is really pregnant in a few months and what to do about it if she is. Then the discussion of who is the real father will follow. After that forum members will be asked their opinion on good Filipino-Italian names for the baby. The situation is summarized in the attached illustration.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2002600]So gents: Its ok if I post the occasional Besty-denture thing? He did not mention is his first FR whether she had fake teeth. BH?[/QUOTE]Thank God for Westy's refreshing sense of humor. Helps to keep things in perspective!

YMMV.

OM.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2002600]So gents: Its ok if I post the occasional Besty-denture thing? He did not mention is his first FR whether she had fake teeth. BH?[/QUOTE]The week end is here, and I will spend it trolling throughout the city looking for a very handsome foreigner in permanent lip lock with a gorgeous Filipina, noting that the poriner may have a set of dentures affixed to his posterior. Don't know whether to start with the high or low end hotels and restaurants so this will be something of a hit or miss search, but if I do find them, rest assured I'll take a picture and report back. I might save a little time by hanging out at the bus station in the early morning to greet the first couple of buses from Tagum, always looking for the most beautiful, yet demure maiden among the passengers.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2002843]I might save a little time by hanging out at the bus station in the early morning to greet the first couple of buses from Tagum, always looking for the most beautiful, yet demure maiden among the passengers. GE.[/QUOTE]You will know you have found the right couple if the foreigner has dental equipment implements in one hand and is jumping up and down like a Duke basketball fan.

To go from the sublime to the ridiculous, today we went to the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to register the name of a new corporation. The name was rejected immediately. Why? "Sir, there are so many businesses here that use one of the words you want to use. " Huh? "Are there any other businesses with that name?" "No sir, but you can't use it anyway. " Okay, I know better than to argue against the rules being made up on the spot, so I tried three other names. Nope. Why? "Well sir the name should describe the type of business. " "Oh, you mean like the name 'Toyota' has within it the root of the concept that we're selling cars?" "Yessir. " So far, DTI has rejected 7 names, all for arcane, instantly-created reasons. Now awaiting approval of the 8th suggestion. And I have a Filipina handling this for me, so it's not some anti-foreigner stance.

I then go to a lawyer to start the paperwork. I asked him, since this is starting as a small business employing less than 10 (hence a "small" enterprise") if we are VAT exempt as I had understood. The answer "no; no one is VAT exempt. " That didn't jibe with how I read the law so went to a second lawyer and posed the same question: "Yes, of course you're VAT exempt. " Huh? Two lawyers. Two diametrically opposed answers. I still have no idea if we're VAT exempt but I figure BIR will let us know.

Then, I asked how long it would take us to get the business permit, given that the Duterte, when he was Mayor, highly publicized the fact that in Davao, it only takes 3 business days (never mind that in Hong Kong it took me an hour.). The answer: "About 8 business days sir. " "Why? I thought only 3 days. " Answer: "Oh sir, first you have to get clearance from the BIR, then you have to get clearance from the Social Security, then you have to register with Pag Ibig, and then you have to bring all the papers to us and then we will take 3 days only. ".

This place has a long, long way to go.

PS. The 7th or 8th or perhaps the 9th name did get approved.

GE.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2002563] I'm not as young as some here believes, I'm 60 years old and I have a lot of experience. And if you continue teasing or kidding, I will not make any other post.[/QUOTE]Do you promise?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2002905]To go from the sublime to the ridiculous, today we went to the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to register the name of a new corporation. [/QUOTE]I can't believe that after your first foray into your own business in the Philippines gave you so much grief you are prepared to embark on another venture. Doesn't the story you yourself related about the simple act of registering a name give you pause abut all the other elements that you still have to solve before a business is "up and running".

I have lived here for 20 years continuously now and I will continue taking the advice of my long-standing legal advisor who told me to never go down that track.

Good luck anyway.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2002952]I can't believe that after your first foray into your own business in the Philippines gave you so much grief you are prepared to embark on another venture. Doesn't the story you yourself related about the simple act of registering a name give you pause abut all the other elements that you still have to solve before a business is "up and running".

I have lived here for 20 years continuously now and I will continue taking the advice of my long-standing legal advisor who told me to never go down that track.

Good luck anyway.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good wishes. This is something entirely different, and I'm not going to be very involved with it much less try to manage it, so it's not a repeat of what I'm currently doing.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2002971]Thanks for the good wishes. This is something entirely different, and I'm not going to be very involved with it much less try to manage it, so it's not a repeat of what I'm currently doing..[/QUOTE]That's reassuring GE.

However, I hope your new interest is not too far from your "skill-set" though.

Remember the words of Tom Peters in his 1982 book "In Search of Excellence" (Peters & Waterman).

There were 8 themes. Number 6 was "stick to the knitting. Stay with the business that you know". The advice in that "old" book still resonates with me.

Ha Ha. I am pretty sure that our friend Mr GE is taking the P out of you guys. This gentleman is a senior member with over 3000 posts to his credit a quick look suggests he is more eloquent than his angst ridden alter ego here would suggest.

None of that detracts from the brilliance of Hutsori's reply and I for one would nominate it for ROD.

So Mr GE, good work. What you do expose as some have alluded to are the inherent weaknesses in our group.

Better to be the man in real life and a demure poster here than the other way around.

OS.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2003009]That's reassuring GE.

However, I hope your new interest is not too far from your "skill-set" though.

Remember the words of Tom Peters in his 1982 book "In Search of Excellence" (Peters & Waterman).

There were 8 themes. Number 6 was "stick to the knitting. Stay with the business that you know". The advice in that "old" book still resonates with me.[/QUOTE]Remember it well. A good "vintage" management book by Tom Peters.

Not to be confused with the even earlier Lawrence J. Peter's "The Peter Principle" (circa 1969?) which, hopefully, does not apply here.

All kidding aside, best wishes to GE and apparently his efforts to again deal with local bureaucracy, which, as we all know, can be not just frustrating, but at times completely mind-numbing.

OM.

P.S. Another book which might help to prepare for the experience is "Catch 22" by Joseph Heller?

[QUOTE=Omega3;2003178]Remember it well. A good "vintage" management book by Tom Peters.

Not to be confused with the even earlier Lawrence J. Peter's "The Peter Principle" (circa 1969?) which, hopefully, does not apply here.

All kidding aside, best wishes to GE and apparently his efforts to again deal with local bureaucracy, which, as we all know, can be not just frustrating, but at times completely mind-numbing.

OM.

P.S. Another book which might help to prepare for the experience is "Catch 22" by Joseph Heller?[/QUOTE]Peters' book assumes a rational world that moves according to logical, understood rules. That clearly doesn't apply here. However, it's all good; it's not really my business. I'm just helping someone out and I will not have to deal with the endless bureaucracy here as I do in my current business. But thanks for all of the encouragement. I think Heller nailed it all those years ago, in fact he now seems prescient given what's happening in the States, in the UK and possibly in other Western European countries. Don't know if Australia is staying sane or not, but hopefully it hasn't fallen into the Heller paradigm.

All told, I probably understand this place better now than I do my own country in the post-Trump era.



GE.

It is never a good time to start a business in the Philippines! Good thing Mr. Sy never heard this as he continues to start more businesses.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2004081]It is never a good time to start a business in the Philippines! Good thing Mr. Sy never heard this as he continues to start more businesses.[/QUOTE]Or be his primary competitor, Lucio Tan, whose tobacco company reportedly just had its tax bill reduced by the Court of Tax Appeals, from P90 million to a mere P200,000.

When you got juice, you got juice.

Smiley face.

OM.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2006412]Hello friends,

I hope not all you are idiotic and somebody can reply me.

Until now I fucked 4 girls in Davao. My cock is big but not huge and I get some penetration problems with 3 girls. I saw pain in their faces when I fucked them but they at the end enjoyed sex and always get orgasms. Now I am with my fourth girl and she has not penetration problems at all. My question is: why does she not have any pain problems with my cock? I don't think she is fucking so many foreigners with big cocks in Davao. Are small pussies here a physical conformation and not all the girls have small pussies?

Thanks for some info.[/QUOTE]I guess the first three are post ops and the last is a genuine girl.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2006412] .........Until now I fucked 4 girls in Davao. My cock is big but not huge and I get some penetration problems with 3 girls. I saw pain in their faces when I fucked them ........... Now I am with my fourth girl and she has not penetration problems at all. My question is: why does she not have any pain problems with my cock? .......[/QUOTE]The ones who have pain problems are not aroused or interested in having sex with you. The fourth girl is.

I would stick with the fourth girl, if I was you.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2006549]If you're making fun of me at least write to understand better.[/QUOTE]His writing was perfectly clear.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2006469]I guess the first three are post ops and the last is a genuine girl.[/QUOTE]Huts, I'm still betting this guy is sitting in a lonely room somewhere struggling to make someone in cyberspace believe him. My best bet is that the guy has never actually had sex.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2006680]Huts, I'm still betting this guy is sitting in a lonely room somewhere struggling to make someone in cyberspace believe him. My best bet is that the guy has never actually had sex.

GE.[/QUOTE]Besty: Prove them wrong. Take and post a selfie of you and one of your hotties near any Davao landmark. Feel free to redact the heads or fuzz the faces.

(Have the girl hold the camera while you're inspecting her teeth).

"Just walk a mile in his mocassins before you abuse, criticize and accuse. " Mary Lathrap 1895.

I am surprised at you boys ganging up on this guy. You have no idea about this person.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2006485]The ones who have pain problems are not aroused or interested in having sex with you. The fourth girl is.

I would stick with the fourth girl, if I was you.[/QUOTE]And you still haven't understood he is a troll?

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2006735]You have no idea about this person.[/QUOTE]I have an idea, and it is that he is someone sucking my energy and time. He can have his fantasy on a private blog, when he's trolling here he deserves what he gets.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2006735]"Just walk a mile in his mocassins before you abuse, criticize and accuse. " Mary Lathrap 1895.

I am surprised at you boys ganging up on this guy. You have no idea about this person.[/QUOTE]He does the same routine over and over again. He's been given loads of chances to prove us wrong providing pics (his own pics), infact any solid evidence he actually been here and not home in moms basement but he failes. All his writing is jibber jabberished rubbish which you even don't have to google up to find. Language barriers arent that greta between Italy (where he is from) and the englishspeaking parts of the world. He writes and understands the world like a 12 year old(no offence to 12 year olds out there). He even tries to come forward as a man of the world. I guess you haven't read his rubbish from what he pretends to be from Indonesia? And lastly when goodhearted BMs actually provides him information / help, he starts to argue them. That pretty much sums it up I guess. But by all means help the kid out, its a free world after all.. just saying.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2006412]Hello friends,

I hope not all you are idiotic and somebody can reply me.



Thanks for some info.[/QUOTE]Sorry mate, yes we are all " idiotic " . We are idiotic here, and on the other boards where you posed the inane, daft, nonsense question " how can I tell if a filipina is more horny than an indonesian ".

Enough. Go and get a life please, and leave us idiots alone.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2006735]"Just walk a mile in his mocassins before you abuse, criticize and accuse. " Mary Lathrap 1895.

I am surprised at you boys ganging up on this guy. You have no idea about this person.[/QUOTE]And why hasn't he walked a mile in our flip flops?

Please, re-read his posts and think of the questions he's asked so far. At best ... at best! ... they are astonishingly childish. No one but an 11-year-old lad could be so naive. This is why I've concluded he's trolling the forum, and even wrote this before. Personally, the absurdity amuses me, which is why I respond in kind. For the sniggers and chuckles.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2008864]I stole her password in Facebook and I saw she had around 2000 friends but 80% females and 20% males. I read also many of her messages and I noticed when a boy asked her to meet her she sopped to talk with him. She spoke with them above all to find a work or to do an interview to work. She is a regular girl who gave me everything of her in short time. ...........................[/QUOTE]Great if you can live in your happy world. Don't try to find how many more fb (s) she have or what more apps she is using in her smart phone or how many smart phones she uses. Your ability to live in your own world is precious. Some apps easily can be operated with changing the sims only. Happy hunt.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2009303]Great if you can live in your happy world. Don't try to find how many more fb (s) she have or what more apps she is using in her smart phone or how many smart phones she uses. Your ability to live in your own world is precious. Some apps easily can be operated with changing the sims only. Happy hunt.[/QUOTE]He seems to have found a measure of happiness. All the best, Besty.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2008864]My trip in Davao is finishing and I'd like to post my last writings about Davao girls. I did not believe to meet a such wonderful girl really, also because many of you believe that almost all girls are pros or freelancers. My girlfriend was a regular girl who decided to live with me in my apartment in Davao for 10 days. It means I make a good homework at home before to meet her. Now I have not her anymore and I miss her.[/QUOTE]Yes you are old enough to know what you want. I was in your position also; found a girl, in Davao, not unlike yours. A virgin, she comes into my hotel room, grabs a tissue, and starts dusting the furniture. What a gem! There have been others to, one in Thailand. For whatever reason, I guess I was not ready. Now that I'm over 60, like you, I sometimes think about the ones that got away. Never mind what some of these guys are saying. Geez, go for what makes YOU happy. You are not here to please other mongers. If you WANT to get married, do it. It will work if you WANT it to work. Wish you the best.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2009693]He seems to have found a measure of happiness. All the best, Besty.[/QUOTE]I feel pity myself why I don't. I know what the girls doing behind me, but accepted and I know they are doing same as I do.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2009612]But are you thinking really I am so unprepared and incompetent at my age? I fucked in every place in the world, even in west Papua. I'm 60 years old dear, I'm not young. I'm also prepared to your allegations. Ahahaha.[/QUOTE]"Many small brains here. Ahahahah But are all you thinking really I am so unprepared and incompetent at my age? I fucked in every place in the world, even in west Papua. I'm 60 years old dear, I'm not young. I'm also prepared to your allegations. Ahahaha. " This quote was taken from another web site, where he posted the question " why do some girls show pain in pussy and others don't ". He received 812 replies to this question, mostly asking him if hes a girl in disguise.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2009612]But are you thinking really I am so unprepared and incompetent at my age? [/QUOTE]Yes.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2009612]I fucked in every place in the world, even in west Papua. [/QUOTE]Ho-hum. I fucked Mrs Headhunting Cannibal and then was chased by Mr Headhunting Cannibal and his machete wielding brothers, uncles, and mates. To escape I ate an albino and became invisible. Added bonus: cured my AIDS.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;2009612]I'm 60 years old dear,[/QUOTE]Dear??? I only see that word in DIA messages from the penis ladies.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2009742]He received 812 replies to this question, mostly asking him if hes a girl in disguise.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha


Besty, I'm happy to read you enjoyed your travels and I wish you many more cuddles.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2009896] To escape I ate an albino and became invisible. .[/QUOTE]Huts, did you really eat a whole albino? My God, man, that is the most incredible thing I have ever heard!

[QUOTE=DCups;2009943]Huts, did you really eat a whole albino? My God, man, that is the most incredible thing I have ever heard![/QUOTE]Right, ain't it? Back then I didn't know much about eating albinos - just the well-known fact they made you bulletproof, which didn't address my immediate need, and the invisibility and AIDS curing was more urban legend. What choice did I have? So better safe (and invisible) than sorry (and visible). I've since learnt that you if you stew for 72 hours the potency increases, so you don't need to eat as much. Of course, one needs to consider one's own height and weight; it's kind of like liquor in a way. Since I was being chased by enraged headhunters I didn't have the time to stew for that many hours. Nowadays I plan and start preparing my albino meals days ahead of time. Live and learn.

Thanks for the good belly laugh, Huts! I hope we can can have a beer sometime. Next October I'll be bouncing around Manila, Cebu, Dumaguete, Angeles and Subic.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2010190]Right, ain't it? Back then I didn't know much about eating albinos - just the well-known fact they made you bulletproof, .[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;2010255]Thanks for the good belly laugh, Huts! I hope we can can have a beer sometime.
.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't happen to be an albino, would ya? They're tough to find around here. I feel my powers have been weakening.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2011553]You wouldn't happen to be an albino, would ya? They're tough to find around here. I feel my powers have been weakening.[/QUOTE]Just a passing thought Huts, but maybe BH is an albino, and kept out of sight for fear of being boiled up.

Asawako has a conference in Davao City later this month, and I'll tag along since I haven't seen Davao in about a decade. Am planning to "break away" for at least one dinner on my own. Have reviewed several websites and have a list of possible restaurants, which all seem to be more or less equally highly rated.

My question to our resident Davao experts: if you could choose only one restaurant for dinner anywhere in Davao City, which one would you choose?

I enjoy all types of cuisine, and budget is not an issue. Would appreciate a post or pm with your personal fave or recommendation.

Thanks in advance!

OM.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2018610]Asawako has a conference in Davao City later this month, and I'll tag along since I haven't seen Davao in about a decade. Am planning to "break away" for at least one dinner on my own. Have reviewed several websites and have a list of possible restaurants, which all seem to be more or less equally highly rated.

My question to our resident Davao experts: if you could choose only one restaurant for dinner anywhere in Davao City, which one would you choose?

I enjoy all types of cuisine, and budget is not an issue. Would appreciate a post or pm with your personal fave or recommendation.

Thanks in advance!

OM.[/QUOTE]For me, it's an easy choice, and I recommend Bon Appétit which is a reasonably authentic French bistro-type restaurant. My alternative would be De Bonte Koe on Rizal St. , owned and operated by Henny, a Dutch guy. I think he's got the best steaks ibn town and he's a very personable, likeable guy. The menu also has some interesting Dutch dishes and some home made deep dish Dutch apple pie which is quite good. The White House, which is not heavily advertised, is probably the most elegant restaurant in the city, and features Japanese / French fusion, which sounds a bit strange probably, but they do make it work. The place is beautiful. Bondi and Burke also just opened a restaurant here, which is more or less of an Australian steak house. The place is beautifully done, but I found it way too noisy and I thought the wine list offered poor selections, so I likely won't return. A lot of folks also like Claude's Café which I find way over priced in terms of quality, but again it's quite an attractive place. I'd recommend taking a companion to all of the aforementioned as I don't think it would be a lot of fun spending (by local standards) a lot of money while dining alone at any of them. But that's my opinion and you may feel differently.

If you want some excellent European-style sausages and a much more informal atmosphere, you might also want to consider Swiss Deli. It's not at all elegant though it's clean and comfortable, but it's got a good selection of beer, a great selection of wines, and excellent European cheeses, antipasto and sausages.

Davao is prospering now and thus inevitably, the traffic is ever worsening. As you don't mention where you're staying, I've mentioned the most popular restaurants for expats. However where you stay could determine what's most appropriate for you. If you want to PM me for more details, please feel free to do so.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2018741]For me, it's an easy choice, and I recommend Bon Appetit which is a reasonably authentic French bistro-type restaurant.

My alternative would be De Bonte Koe on Rizal St. , owned and operated by Henny, a Dutch guy. *** The White House, which is not heavily advertised, is probably the most elegant restaurant in the city, and features Japanese / French fusion. The place is beautiful. ***

GE.[/QUOTE]Thank you GE, and thanks also, RK.

You are both gentlemen and scholars and epicures!

For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one. Oh well, not to complain, Filipinas have so many other charming and endearing qualities!

A few years ago, met an empathetic Japanese middle-aged lady expat in Hong Kong. A friend of a friend. We used to enjoy sharing a leisurely meal and a couple of bottles of wine on lazy afternoons up at Knutsford Terrace, just viewing the rest of the world busily walking by.

I will definitely look forward to savoring "Bon Appetit" in Davao.

OM.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2019007]

For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one. [/QUOTE]Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om.

I suggest you go alone and just enjoy the epicurean experience, and then transfer your focus to mongering. Don't mix them up.

"Peaceful" is not a word for filipinos. There has to be loud music.

"Pleasant wine" means something sweet.

"Good food" can mean anything as long as it's fast and includes white rice.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2019141]Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om.

"Pleasant wine" means something sweet.[/QUOTE]If you are American, read "Boone's Farm" or "Ripple".

[QUOTE=Omega3;2019007]For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one. [/QUOTE]And you're probably not going to. I'm with RK. Go thru DragonSlayer's forum, you will find numerous of his posts where he invited Davao girls (or he flew / bussed in Cebuanas and other province girls) to those very restos GE mentioned for a fine meal, only to have the girl completely misunderstand the meaning of fine dining. "Next time we can Jollibee?" Or after ordering an expensive bottle of wine from the hotel and up to his room and giving the girl some: "Next time we Red Horse?" Oh, my. Also, taking a long time to sit and enjoy the experience is not in her fiber; she will scarf down her food and then roll her eyes the entire time (wondering why the eff you are making her sit there). Invite one of your good gringo friends to enjoy the meal with you (leave the girl in your hotel room if you trust her, she will much more enjoy the telenova experience), then nap, then ph*ck the girl.

These girls have so much culture, don't they?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2019156]If you are American, read "Boone's Farm" or "Ripple".

And you're probably not going to. I'm with RK. Go thru DragonSlayer's forum, you will find numerous of his posts where he invited Davao girls (or he flew / bussed in Cebuanas and other province girls) to those very restos GE mentioned for a fine meal, only to have the girl completely misunderstand the meaning of fine dining. "Next time we can Jollibee?" Or after ordering an expensive bottle of wine from the hotel and up to his room and giving the girl some: "Next time we Red Horse?" Oh, my. Also, taking a long time to sit and enjoy the experience is not in her fiber; she will scarf down her food and then roll her eyes the entire time (wondering why the eff you are making her sit there). Invite one of your good gringo friends to enjoy the meal with you (leave the girl in your hotel room if you trust her, she will much more enjoy the telenova experience), then nap, then ph*ck the girl.[/QUOTE]If Aussie say "Jacobs Creek" and then they may suggest it is not sweet enough LOL.

You forget Westie the other issue of fine dining. The use of the mobile while eating and after scoffing it down fast, using both hands to play games / chat on Facebook etc.

And if you bring another friend to dinner Westie surely a gentleman (like myself and others we know) would want to have the cutie for a 3 some dessert? Well some of us would (and have!

[QUOTE=Omega3;2019007]

For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one. Oh well, not to complain, Filipinas have so many other charming and endearing qualities!
OM.[/QUOTE]I see that you and I have similar views of perfection, so you must be a man of impeccable taste! 😏.

The generalizations drawn in recent posts about the inability of Filipinas to appreciate, or even enjoy good French food and wine while accurate, are somewhat misleading. If you go the Bon Appétit on a typical Saturday night, you would notice that most of the clientele is Filipino and I'm guessing that about 75% of the client base--that is, regular patrons--is Filipino as well. The difference is that the Filipinos who go there are generally very well off, well educated, well traveled, and thoroughly acclimated to good food, good wine, and a more European dining experience that values social intercourse and a relaxed ambience. It's unfair to compare these relatively sophisticated Filipinos with the less educated, less worldly girls one would take there from the provinces. Not only would they feel uncomfortable, but they would likely provoke some discomfort from their date and even from other patrons.

Dragon Slayer's mistakes--and I was present for most of them--derived from his assumption that these ladies would be impressed by the atmosphere and would adapt quickly to it. Of course exactly the opposite proved true: they had no idea what the items on the menu were, had never really drunk wine, were totally uncomfortable and out of place and thus drew some fairly disapproving looks from other patrons, no from the owners of the restaurant. A good meal for two at Bon Appétit, including decent wine, costs Php4,500-5,500 and to me it's simply absurd to spend this much on someone who would have been happier drinking Red Horse and eating pancit.

GE.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2019141]Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om.

I suggest you go alone and just enjoy the epicurean experience, and then transfer your focus to mongering. Don't mix them up.

"Peaceful" is not a word for filipinos. There has to be loud music.

"Pleasant wine" means something sweet.

"Good food" can mean anything as long as it's fast and includes white rice.[/QUOTE]OMG where's the LIKE LIKE LIKE button. We need one. Great post RK and oh sooooooo true.

Returned to Davao in Feb, have not been there in two years.

Grab Taxi.

Victory Liner Pasay to NAIA Terminal 4; 96 p + 40 p = 136, easy going over. Coming back, my phone would not get enough signal for Grab, so I had to take a taxi from the airport to Victory for 250 p.

Grab has seats and a Kiosk at NAIA Terminal 4, I have heard some of the kiosks have helpers who can reserve a Grab car for you.

Grab has ad banners in Davao airport and it says they are in Cebu as well. Taxi stickers also tout a local app called TaxiLink that I did not use. I have also seen Grab website say they are in Dumaguete, Bacolod, and there is anecdotal evidence they are in Angeles City.

In Davao I used Grab a couple of times just to try it. Worked well near the main streets except, at night, pay attention to the number of the taxi that is coming. I jumped in a random taxi thinking it was my Grab. The number they give you, sometimes its the plate number, sometimes it's the side number of the taxi! In a more distant neighborhood, Grab could not get me a taxi.

Davao City.

Electricity. Still some issues, on Sunday the power was up and down several times.

Traffic. Is slow during rush hours, but reasonable other times. An APEC 50 conference in the center of town did not make it much worse.

Comms. Davao has 4G data everywhere outdoors! I want to move here just for that.

Davao Stores.

Victoria Square. This was the first mall in Davao, and my first place to cruise chicks outside Manila. Its still there.

Interesting sports department sells.

Airsoft gear: helmets, masks, pouches, vests, boots, camise.

Ladies wear: sexy panties, bikinis about 800 p, coin belly dancing outfits.

Abreeza Mall.

Condo construction continues here.

Robinson's store: Girls bikini's 700-900 p but some on sale for about 400 p.

TGIF is still the only bar in Abressa, and they still do not have cable sports!

A good looking Middle Eastern restaurant near the food court.

SM Lanang.

On the back side, next to the "dancing fountains", the Aussie bar that was here is gone, and so there are no "bars" in this mall. There are several nice restos on the back side, including:

Vikings buffet $$.

Mesa.

A cheap Korean BBQ buffet called Kogi-O.

Gaisano. A big name in malls throughout the Visayans. Did you know there are two different "Gaisano" companies building shopping malls? And to confuse you even more, there are three "Gaisano" malls in Davao City:

Central Gaisano. Largest, large restaurant area on the roof called "The Peak". Seems to be waning in popularity. No bars here, but still a decent place to meet girls.

Midtown Gaisano. Oldest one, mostly used stuff.

Gaisano South. Newest one.

Davao Hotels. I noted some new places.

North End.

GoHotels Lanang. Close to highway, but wrong side if you are going to town. Cheap restaurants nearby.

Sumo Asian Hotels Damosa. Could walk to bar and restaurants, and SM Lanang.

Elena. Lanang next to highway. I remember they had good Wifi, decent restaurant, no pool, not much TV. About 2,300 p w / bfast.

Drifters. Pool, ok Wifi, breakfast and laundry avail. Fridge and stove. The restaurant and bar are being renovated. Rooms are very large and kitchenettes are included. Very quiet area. About 1,300 p / night.

Abreeza is also building a beachfront resort in Lanang near Insular Hotel.

Central.

Red Planet Hotels. Not far from Abrezza Mall, on the highway.

South End.

Casa Leticia Business Inn. South end of town near Ecoland bus terminal. Location in Trip Advisor is wrong. Clean room, ok Wifi. Restaurants. Decent price (1,240 p with bfast) for such a new place. Not close to much. Do not confuse with the older Casa Leticia downtown that all the drivers will assume you are going to. The courtyard is covered by tin roof so maybe noisy in the rain.

Davao Clubs. Pretty good time here, and it helped that there were cool breezes at night. People in Davao go to clubs late 10 pm, they go with a group, and they buy beer in buckets.

Brick Lane Square. Downtown near Gaisano mall. Polo Street past F Torres Street. Taxi's don't know this place, start down Pedro "Heel" street (Pedro Gil), use Google navigation.

A few interesting places outside the square, one Japanese noodle restaurant was crowded, another bar (Bureaucracy) offered beer for 45 p, buckets 350 p.

Inside Bricklane Square, is a central semi-outdoor seating area with a stage, surrounded by indoor / outdoor restobars.

Business Class. Live music inside.

Runway Sports Bar. Great sound system with a DJ. Too loud to talk. Three big TVs with sports on. Most items on menu 300 p or less. Beer 90 p.

Funny story, my bill was 118 p, I left 120 in bills and another 10 p coin = 130 p and the bartender says "But sir, your bill is only 118 p!" I said "Its a tip dude!" Maybe I spoiled them?

Dark barakz. Trying to look hip with trendy lights and lower case letters.

Red Finest. Beer 50 p.

Junkyard.

Others.

Live music outside starts at 930 pm. The performance I saw was pleasant, young, hip, reasonable sound volume.

This area has a bar vibe. If you walked around the blocks outside, you should find more bars.

Matina Town Square. South end of town near NCCC mall. Several restobars surround a large covered courtyard with a large stage at the end. Nice music here, oldies rock, not too loud so sit close.

Fusion BBQ Place at Matina. Ok bbq but I got one of their "signature" platters, it was a few small pieces of beef and pork with toothpicks, on a large bed of puffed rice chips! I mean if a place says they have "Fusion" food, I expect a little more effort than that.

The Reggae Grill on F Torres that you see in Google maps is closed.

Metro Station. F Torres.

Music at 9 pm, 30 p cover charge, beer 50 p. Nice music and vib. A young man was in love with one of the singers and jumped on the stage, his buddies had to drag him out.

There are now several French restaurants in Davao City.

Prime Square. F Torres street has several restaurants, and an unusual showbar.

De Boerderij (the Farm) restobar on the South side, near NCCC Mall is still there. Many expats there so a good place for info if you think to move here. Sports on TV. Swiss Deli has opened a restaurant nearby.

Davao Transportation.

Airport. Not terribly crowded.

200 p terminal fee.

Cebu Pacific has flights Davao to Singapore.

Van Terminals at.

Gaisano (midtown).

SM City Ecoland.

Big Bus terminal at Ecoland.

There are new City buses at Robinsons Abrezza labeled "Davao Metro Shuttle". Nice, small air con buses to Tagum and Digos. Tagum fare is 100 p.

Taxi's are cheap. Go from the South end of Davao city to the north for about 200 p. Grab worked some. Drivers put the meter on every time. Most were respectful but poor with English. One guy spoke English well and got way too familiar with questions: "where you from, when do you go back, you girl is so young, where is she from, you want ydada". Even saying "That's enough" would not shut him up. I made a big show of taking a pic of his license.

Bonus report:

Digos City South of Davao.

Skytrak bar is closed.

Arnaldo's Hotel is nice 900-1200 p.

872 Rizal Ave.

Van goes by it. Good water pressure, hot water, Chickens and pigs, dogs, but Not much traffic noise. Pool. Bfast ok.

WiFI ok - 48 ms ping, 0. 38 Mbps upload, 0. 03 Mbps down.

Two Gaisano malls.

Gaisano Grand Mall is now the old one.

GMall is not far and new, still filling out. Nice view of some strip-mining on the mountains!

Met an expat there who lives in Digos.

Security Situation.

Not much changed. There was a big conference in town, but I only saw increased security on the street near the conference. On the road South of town, going to Davao, there is a checkpoint and you have to have your bag inspected. This has been in place a long time. Mall security wants you to remove your hat and sunglasses.

Photos uploaded:

Grab kiosk SM Lanang.

De Boerderij near NCCC Mall.

The Peak at Gaisano Central.

Music at Bricklane Square.

Tsing Tao Promo Girls at Bricklane.

Music at Matina Town Square.

Music at Metro Station F Torres.

View from New Gaisano Digos.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2019141]Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om..[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha. Thank you, RK, spot on. Beauty, mate.

But, brought to mind the following demented vignette:

*Fade In.

Court of the Red King. Side view. Red King, with magnificent gold crown, resplendent on elevated throne at screen right, facing left. Courtiers in fancy colorful dress standing at far side of Alpha. Alpha, simply dressed in plain tunic and breeches, in front of and below the Red King's throne.

Alpha: But where, your Majesty?

Red King: My fine young fellow, get thee to the farthest reaches of the lands of mighty King Philip, the Prince of Asturias. Once there, journey to the fair city of Daba-Daba in the Bagobo region, and seek out an audience with the great wooden horse. Then, just wait until the great wooden horse p**pos.

Alpha: There's no use my trying, your Majesty. One can't believe impossible things.

Zoom in. Angle to full face view of Red King.

Red King: Tut, tut, my fine young friend. Nothing is impossible. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. Cabbages and kings. Oranges growing on apple trees and apples growing on orange trees. Apples and oranges.

Fade Out.

What? Hold on, come again what's that about apples and oranges?

Omega.

P.S. Am definitely looking forward to peacefully enjoying the fine food and wine in the French bistro in Davao. Have no intention whatsoever of bringing a jejeune pinay to the French bistro. Not my style, and would impede my peaceful enjoyment of fine food and wine. However, reportedly, not all pinays are jejeune or would be out of place in a fine French bistro. Apples and oranges. Ha ha ha. "Sante"!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2019156]If you are American, read "Boone's Farm" or "Ripple".

And you're probably not going to. I'm with RK. Go thru DragonSlayer's forum, ... Invite one of your good gringo friends to enjoy the meal with you (leave the girl in your hotel room if you trust her, she will much more enjoy the telenova experience), then nap, then ph*ck the girl.[/QUOTE]Although Boone's Farm is still with us, sadly Ripple and Thunderbird have gone away to the great sweet winery in the sky. Try instead MD 20/20 (commonly known as Mad Dog) or Night Train Express (commonly known as Night Train). Mad Dog was 20% alcohol while Night Train tips in at 17.5% alcohol. Fred Sanford (aka Redd Fox) a fine garbage man and wine kind of a sewer (pronounced Connie sewer). Boone's Farm (many varieties) is all less than 10% alcohol (note that 20/20 is no longer at 20%, and only the original flavor is at 18%.

For an opposing view:

As majestic as the cascading waters of a drain pipe, MD 20/20 is bottled by the 20/20 wine company in Westfield, New York. This is a good place to start for the street wine rookie, but beware; this dog has a bite to back up its bark. MD Stands for Mogen David, and is affectionately called "Mad Dog 20/20". You'll find this beverage as often in a bum's nest as in the rock quarry where the high school kids sneak off to drink. This beverage is likely the most consumed by non-bums, but that doesn't stop any bums from drinking it! Our research indicates that MD 20/20 is the best of the bum wines at making you feel warm inside. Some test subjects report a slight numbing agent in MD 20/20, similar to the banana paste that the dentist puts in your mouth before injecting it with novacaine. Anyone that can afford a dentist should steer clear of this disaster. Available in various nauseating tropical flavors that coat your whole system like bathtub scum, but only the full "Red Grape Wine" flavor packs the 18% wallop.

Liquor stores are starting to be infiltrated by a 13% variety of MD 20/20 Red Grape. There is also a new "Blue Raspberry" flavor with "BLING BLING". Even the lowest functioning of bums will know not to get swindled out of 5%.

As for expensive fine wines from places like France, Italy, or California, Fred Sanford said it best: "It'll never take the place of Sterno. ".

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2019172]If Aussie say "Jacobs Creek" and then they may suggest it is not sweet enough LOL.

You forget Westie the other issue of fine dining. The use of the mobile while eating and after scoffing it down fast, using both hands to play games / chat on Facebook etc.

And if you bring another friend to dinner Westie surely a gentleman (like myself and others we know) would want to have the cutie for a 3 some dessert? Well some of us would (and have![/QUOTE]If from the UK, think White Ace rather than Buckfast, as Buckfast, at 400 php a bottle, is just too darned expensive. White Ace, at 175 php for 3 liters, hits the Jollibee price mark.

Even better than Jollibees: Just buy dinner from any random food vendor. The Filipina will be impressed by your knowledge and willingness to eat what she eats, and I've always had good luck with my freelance food purchases. Word: street Viagra is more reliable than street Cialis. Last word; Do NOT, under any circumstances, buy "alcohol" from a street vendor in Russia. Trust me on this.

[QUOTE=JackBurton;2019533]If from the UK, think White Ace rather than Buckfast, as Buckfast, at 400 php a bottle, is just too darned expensive. White Ace, at 175 php for 3 liters, hits the Jollibee price mark.

Even better than Jollibees: Just buy dinner from any random food vendor. The Filipina will be impressed by your knowledge and willingness to eat what she eats, and I've always had good luck with my freelance food purchases. Word: street Viagra is more reliable than street Cialis. Last word; Do NOT, under any circumstances, buy "alcohol" from a street vendor in Russia. Trust me on this.[/QUOTE]Wow Jack you have given us a somewhat jumbled and disconnected international tour on the little old Southern Philippines aka Davao thread.

I will remember not to buy alcohol on the street in Russia when I next get away from Davao.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2019334]The generalizations drawn in recent posts about the inability of Filipinas to appreciate, or even enjoy good French food and wine while accurate, are somewhat misleading. If you go the Bon Appetit on a typical Saturday night, you would notice that most of the clientele is Filipino and I'm guessing that about 75% of the client base--that is, regular patrons--is Filipino as well. The difference is that the Filipinos who go there are generally very well off, well educated, well traveled, and thoroughly acclimated to good food, good wine, and a more European dining experience that values social intercourse and a relaxed ambience. It's unfair to compare these relatively sophisticated Filipinos with the less educated, less worldly girls one would take there from the provinces.

GE.[/QUOTE]Clearly and well stated, GE.

It's not just in Davao City that this is increasingly apparent. Unfortunately, some Westerners apparently would prefer not to see or to cognize this upscale and growing segment of Philippines society. Today, there are Internationally Certified Wine Sommeliers who are Filipino / Filipina. There is even a Filipino-owned vineyard in Bordeaux, the internationally recognized Chateau Siran (with a 200+ acre estate).

Have several Filipino friends who have lovely Filipina girl friends who in turn enjoy and are quite knowledgeable about fine wines.

And I'm not talking about Novellino.

OM.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2020523]There is even a Filipino-owned vineyard in Bordeaux, the internationally recognized Chateau Siran (with a 200+ acre estate).

[/QUOTE]That's the Miailhe family, which was once also a part owner of Chateau Palmer and involved in whole or in part with several others such as Pichon Longueville Lalande, names which to an oenophile are big deals. The current manager, Edouard Miailhe, is the son of William Alain Miailhe de Burgh, who was tied up in some legal wranglings over the fate of Manila's semi-derelict Burke Building, the country's first elevator building, which preservationists wanted to protect from demolition.

How did they come to be connected to the Philippines? Through the English trading house (now merchant bank) Boustead and Company whose Manila agent Benjamin Butler was managing the local affairs in the 1840's. He married a woman named Margarita Somes and they had one child, a daughter named Victoria Carlotta. She married Dr John Burke (emigrated from Galway, Ireland and a descendant of the Burkes of Clanricarde) in 1868 - that's where the Burke Building gets its name because it was named in honour of the Manila doctor. They had four children, and it seems all were sent to Europe for their studies, for example Trinity College, Dublin. The three sons died childless; one son returned to Manila to practice medicine and he died here in 1946. The sole daughter, Mary, inherited the Butler-Burke family fortune and married Ferdinand Desbarats (a wine merchant family) of Bordeaux, France. They bought Chateau Ducru-Beaucaillou, which was later sold. They had one daughter, Victoria Charlotte, who married a Miailhe and mothered William Alain Miailhe de Burgh. With Victoria's wealth the Miailhe family was able to expand its chateau holdings.

Though the family has had long trade and business ties with the country, I think it's a bit of stretch to call them a Filipino family. It's certainly much less so than the Ayala-Zobels. Nevertheless, all the intersections of these different nationalities (English, Anglo-Norman Irish, French, and Filipino, with likely a bit of Spanish and maybe even Chinese on the Somes's side) in Manila makes for an interesting history.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2020963]That's the Miailhe family, which was once also a part owner of Chateau Palmer and involved in whole or in part with several others such as Pichon Longueville Lalande, names which to an oenophile are big deals. The current manager, Edouard Miailhe, is the son of William Alain Miailhe de Burgh, who was tied up in some legal wranglings over the fate of Manila's semi-derelict Burke Building, the country's first elevator building, which preservationists wanted to protect from demolition.

How did they come to be connected to the Philippines? Through the English trading house (now merchant bank) Boustead and Company whose Manila agent Benjamin Butler was managing the local affairs in the 1840's. He married a woman named Margarita Somes and they had one child, a daughter named Victoria Carlotta. She married Dr John Burke (emigrated from Galway, Ireland and a descendant of the Burkes of Clanricarde) in 1868 - that's where the Burke Building gets its name because it was named in honour of the Manila doctor. They had four children, and it seems all were sent to Europe for their studies, for example Trinity College, Dublin. The three sons died childless; one son returned to Manila to practice medicine and he died here in 1946. The sole daughter, Mary, inherited the Butler-Burke family fortune and married Ferdinand Desbarats (a wine merchant family) of Bordeaux, France. They bought Chateau Ducru-Beaucaillou, which was later sold. They had one daughter, Victoria Charlotte, who married a Miailhe and mothered William Alain Miailhe de Burgh. With Victoria's wealth the Miailhe family was able to expand its chateau holdings.

Though the family has had long trade and business ties with the country, I think it's a bit of stretch to call them a Filipino family. It's certainly much less so than the Ayala-Zobels. Nevertheless, all the intersections of these different nationalities (English, Anglo-Norman Irish, French, and Filipino, with likely a bit of Spanish and maybe even Chinese on the Somes's side) in Manila makes for an interesting history.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the history Huts. I had no idea that one of my favorite Chateaux has a Filipino connection. I just assumed, to the extent I might have thought about it at all, that it was French-owned and operated.

GE.

I'm a wine lover and a (strictly amateur) oenophile, but I know Filipinos here in Davao--my asawa included--who know at least as much and possibly more than I do about French and Italian reds.

I often compare the wine knowledge situation here to that of the US when I was growing up. At that time, few Americans, of my parents' generation traveled abroad for business or pleasure, and the wine knowledge of even reasonably well educated American families was limited. All that my parents knew was that "red went with meat" and "white went with fish," and that generalization represented the extent of the wine knowledge of most of my friends' parents as well.

Skip ahead to my generation, which started to travel extensively to international destinations, and the love for and knowledge about wines has increased exponentially, so that my kids--who visited Europe often with me as children--grew up with wine and as adults drink it often and can differentiate among various AOC'S and vineyards. The upper middle and upper class kids here who are roughly the same age as my children, have traveled widely, often been educated abroad, and have developed a real appreciation for wines, as contrasted to their parents who know very little. Even here in provincial Davao, I have several places from which I can purchase a large variety of European and "New World" wines at a broad spectrum of price levels.

PS - I guess I lived too long in France, but I'm just not a big fan of Australian, or North or South American wines.
GE.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2020523]Clearly and well stated, GE.

It's not just in Davao City that this is increasingly apparent. Unfortunately, some Westerners apparently would prefer not to see or to cognize this upscale and growing segment of Philippines society. Today, there are Internationally Certified Wine Sommeliers who are Filipino / Filipina. There is even a Filipino-owned vineyard in Bordeaux, the internationally recognized Chateau Siran (with a 200+ acre estate).

Have several Filipino friends who have lovely Filipina girl friends who in turn enjoy and are quite knowledgeable about fine wines.

And I'm not talking about Novellino.

OM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2020963]That's the Miailhe family, which was once also a part owner of Chateau Palmer and involved in whole or in part with several others such as Pichon Longueville Lalande, names which to an oenophile are big deals. ***
Though the family has had long trade and business ties with the country, I think it's a bit of stretch to call them a Filipino family. It's certainly much less so than the Ayala-Zobels. Nevertheless, all the intersections of these different nationalities (English, Anglo-Norman Irish, French, and Filipino, with likely a bit of Spanish and maybe even Chinese on the Somes's side) in Manila makes for an interesting history.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Monsieur Huts, for your kind correction and fascinating history of this illustrious family's long-standing connections to the Philippines.

If memory serves, there is even a Philippines flag flying at the entrance to Chateau Siran, just across from the EU flag.

OM.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2020996]I'm a wine lover and a (strictly amateur) oenophile, but I know Filipinos here in Davao--my asawa included--who know at least as much and possibly more than I do about French and Italian reds.

I often compare the wine knowledge situation here to that of the US when I was growing up. At that time, few Americans, of my parents' generation traveled abroad for business or pleasure, and the wine knowledge of even reasonably well educated American families was limited. All that my parents knew was that "red went with meat" and "white went with fish,"*** .[/QUOTE]One of my early favorite films was "From Russia with Love" (early 60's). Sean Connery was the quintessential James Bond (although Daniel Craig may be the most faithful to Ian Fleming's original fictional character). There is a classic line in part of the immortal train scene in From Russia With Love where James Bond "outs" villain Robert Shaw, by inferring that no true Englishman would order red wine with fish!

Davao City sounds like a mini wine mecca. Truth be told, I usually drink SM Pilsen (with ice, yet) in many places in the Philippines. Fewer pesky problems with storage and "maderization", not to mention the relatively poor selections and comparatively high prices of wine here. Will definitely sample a bottle or two of wine when in Davao, though!

Sante'. (don't know how to type in the "accent aigu" here).

OM.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2020988]Thanks for the history Huts. I had no idea that one of my favorite Chateaux has a Filipino connection. I just assumed, to the extent I might have thought about it at all, that it was French-owned and operated.

GE.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. Some names give clues to the origins and ownership, such as Lynch-Bages (my favorite affordable grand cru claret) was founded by the Irish (Galway) Lynch family, more Irish links to Leoville-Barton, Dillon, Phelan Segur, Boyd-Cantenac, etc., and Talbot by an Anglo-Norman family - though English and Irish many have Norman origins. Of course ownership changes often. The Miailhe family's chateau is one the longest continuously held presently. The Japanese acquired several in '80s and '90s, and today it's the Chinese who own over 100 in France. Now 100 may seem like a lot, but there are about 7,400 in Bordeaux.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2021006]

Davao City sounds like a mini wine mecca. Truth be told, I usually drink SM Pilsen (with ice, yet) in many places in the Philippines. Fewer pesky problems with storage and "maderization", not to mention the relatively poor selections and comparatively high prices of wine here. Will definitely sample a bottle or two of wine when in Davao, though!

Sante'. (don't know how to type in the "accent aigu" here).

OM.[/QUOTE]I don't want to oversell the wine availability, and I didn't mean to suggest that decent wine selections are ubiquitous here. The best selection by far is at Swiss Deli on Lanang. There's a wine cellar on the bottom floor, with a broad selection of wines ranging from about Php500 to Php20,000 and pretty much all price points in between. Bon Appétit has a decent selection, though not nearly as broad as Swiss Deli, and it's mark-ups are significantly higher. If you want the cheapest wine prices in town, there's a small wine store just off Torres St. That has the best prices I've found here and a surprisingly good selection of Bordeaux. I forget the name, but if you want it, PM me and I'll dig it out. I mostly drink the good stuff at home, and I drink mostly French Bordeaux, Burgundies and a few Beaujolais. Most of my wines I've bought from Swiss Deli, though Yves, the proprietor of Bon Appétit has gotten me a few bottles from his supplier (LE Cellier) in Manila. I've also bought some nice, aged Chiantis from the wine store to which I referred earlier, as well as a couple of Siran. Bottled wines. My favorite wine in general, is a Margaux, and those I buy from Swiss Deli.

Somewhat surprisingly, at least for me, S&are, the gigantic warehouse store, has a very competitively priced Champagne section. It sells the Taittinger Rosé for about Php3,800 and the Brut for a few hundred pesos less. It also has Veuve Cliquot at about Php3,500 for the Brut. It doesn't have much of a selection of European reds or whites.

One lesson I've learned here is that many places that sell wines know little to nothing about appropriate storage, so it's important to take more than a cursory sniff before taking the first swallow. I've learned that the hard way and had a few unpleasant surprises as a result.

GE.

My original plan was to go to Cebu after Camiguin, but whilst in Camiguin, I got contacted by R and decided to meet up with her in Davao instead. She's originally from Davao and I met her in Singapore a few years back, for those who know the place, at OT. I managed to get her number and we arranged the occasional meet ups whilst we were both in Singapore. She tells me she's going to be flying back to Davao on 23rd Feb, but then I'm supposed to be meeting a friend on 24th at 05.00 in Cebu airport. After some persuading are reschedules her flight for the 18th. So, after an evening of unsuccessful girly bar searching in Cagayan, I take the 6 am flight from Cagayan to Davao the next morning. I get to the Apo View hotel just after 8, check in, drug myself up to the eyeballs and go to bed, hoping that I'll feel better by the time are arrives. Original plan was that she'd pop home (Half hour outside Davao), drop off her bags and then come to the hotel around 6 ish, but then turns out her mom is cooking dinner for her. Sleep wasn't great so in the early evening I shower and then go out for a wander and some food. According to the forum, there was supposed to be a couple of Hot Legs bars around. But could I find them? No. Seemed like Cagayan again, just couldn't find anything despite the descriptions given.

Anyway, I get some food and head back to the hotel and have another nap. Are arrives around 8.30 and straight up to my room. She practically jumps on top of me whilst I'm still in bed; well it has been almost two and a half years since we last saw each other. Probably just as well I didn't get any action in Cagayan as this reunion started off with a great about of sex; BBBJ, DATY, cowgirl, reverse, doggy, mish. She's got great tits (not sure about size, maybe see cup?) for sucking on and it's great to see them swinging around when she's on top. Not quite what I needed to cure my cold, but very satisfying. She gives a great GFE and at the same time, doesn't really expect me to be her BF. Her FB status says she's in a relationship with someone (not a Filipino guy) but I've never asked her about that.

5 days with R, daily morning glory taken care of, bit of sightseeing or diving, back to the hotel for some shower sex, dinner and back to the hotel for a night time session before going to bed.

On her last night there, are takes me to a few clubs. First club was a Hot Legs club on Palma Gil Street. Unfortunately, it was a men only club, but they did suggest another of their Hot Legs a few blocks away. They tried to tout one of their trikes to take us there but instead we thought we'd try the club across the street. I don't remember the name of the club, but it's directly opposite Hot Legs. There's no fee to go in. I personally didn't find it that interesting there. They have a stage with one or sometimes two girls dancing. All the girls were average looking, not a single smile on their face. Are goes off to the toilets and when she comes back she tells me there's a private room at the back. She did tell also tell me what the prices of the LDs were but as I wasn't really interested in this place I didn't make a conscious effort to remember; sorry guys, I'm also going to blame my cold for not remembering. We finish our drink and decide to find the other Hot Legs. She wouldn't trust my sense of direction so it took us a lot longer to get there than it should have. It's next to My Hotel; yes the hotel is called "My Hotel", which is on San Pedro Street near the Pelayo Street junction. Again, no entry fee. They have quite a large room there with plenty of seating around, and quite a large stage at the front, they even had 6 dancers on the stage at one point. Even though the club wasn't full, there will still a lot of people there. We go and find a seat / table near the stage to watch the show. From what I could see from my local vicinity, the furniture was just shit; wooden boxes acting as tables and the couches were all in such a bad state, oh well, I didn't come here for the furniture. Seems that each dancer normally does three sets, first clothed, second in underwear, and third either topless or fully naked depending on the girl, but a few of the girls didn't do the 3rd set. Overall, some very hot dancers there, but there were some average looking girls, and one of them looked like she was in her late 30's! There were also about 15 or so girls milling around. These girls do not dance and they are there just to sit with the customers, clients, pervs, whatever you want to call them. After 5 minutes or so, one of these girls takes a seat at the end of our couch. She's quite plain looking with average body. Are is sitting between us and she manages to get a little info about their pay. LDs are 150 and the girls get 50 pesos from this. Dancers get paid 240, or 600 if they do the 3rd set. Again, there was mention of a private room, but generally private rooms don't interest me and I didn't make a note of the price. Nothing was mentioned about being able to take the girls out, but I think I read somewhere that you could pay to do this at Hot Legs. I went to the smoking area which is upstairs and there's a couple of notices there referring to 10k fines. Not sure what the first one said as it was written in Filipino, but the other was about depositing their cell phones whilst on duty.

I had one more night after are left, and I went back to the first Hot Legs. Really can't understand why they stipulated men only. It's a much smaller place with smaller stage. Overall, girls are less attractive and they seem to be a lot pushier. As soon as I'the sat down, there were 5 girls swarming me. Didn't really like that so I told them to leave me and that I just wanted to sit alone for a while. Dancers only did two sets, with the second only showing their bras. For me, I didn't really find this place that entertaining.

I wish R had taken me to the clubs sooner. Even if the girls couldn't be barfined, I did enjoy the shows, and if they could, I had a feeling that R would have been up for a threesome. Actually, trip would have been even better if I didn't have a cold. It was a nice week, but sadly I won't be back. I only go to these places for diving and once I've been there I don't feel the need to come back considering there are so many other destinations. But then, there are still a lot of places in Philippines I haven't been to, so more research for other hot spots to visit in the future.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2021203]<SNIP>

One lesson I've learned here is that many places that sell wines know little to nothing about appropriate storage, so it's important to take more than a cursory sniff before taking the first swallow. I've learned that the hard way and had a few unpleasant surprises as a result.
[/QUOTE]GE has hit the nail on the head with his statement that I just quoted.

There are a very small number of places in the PI that "specialize" in wine and the serious wine sellers (of which there are but a few) import their wine in temperature-controlled containers. I know this from my attendance at the Makati Cheese Club that meets at the Makati Polo Club. Top wines are served, and in my chats with the major wine outlet owners they tell me that getting their wine shipped properly at a constant temperature is the bane of their existence. Imagine a container sitting on a wharf or an airport apron for 12 or so hours in the Philippine tropical sun. The serious guys track their wine from cellar to port, even sending their own transport to get hold of the wine as soon as possible after arrival. I would expect that wine shipped to other ports in the Philippines (excluding Davao and Cebu) will have come through Manila and who knows what route it has taken after arrival.

Only the "A" section of society attends the MCC and only a small percentage of them have much knowledge of wine, so I think claims by earlier posters that many filipinos have well-developed wine palates is an exception that doesn't prove the rule. The buyers of the best wine are primarily foreigners and well-heeled A-class filipinos; those gfs and asawas who appreciate wine are always linked to foreigners and have been educated accordingly.

I know I have used "always" and "every" terms here which are a bit presumptuous given my empirical data comes from chats with wine sellers but remember there are 100 M people in the Philippines so 1000 pinoys with a wine nose represents a miniscule number in the whole scheme of things.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2021006]<SNIP> Truth be told, I usually drink SM Pilsen (with ice, yet) in many places in the Philippines. Fewer pesky problems with storage and "maderization", not to mention the relatively poor selections and comparatively high prices of wine here. [/QUOTE]Stick to your old habits OM (have you tried SM Super Dry?)

I think it is the closest to the good Aussie beers that I have found here (with or without ice).

Good, well managed wine served in "real" restaurants (like Bon Appetit in Davao and Zuni in Greenbelt (there are others too)) is worth trying but only if you don't mind paying the premium price for such tipples.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2018741]My alternative would be De Bonte Koe on Rizal St. , owned and operated by Henny, a Dutch guy. .[/QUOTE]De Bonte Koe serve an excellent house wine at a cheap price per glass (160? But Henny would never tell me where the wine was from or the brand. Secret he said. Anyone had the inside info?

[QUOTE=MsAccount;2021342]De Bonte Koe serve an excellent house wine at a cheap price per glass (160? But Henny would never tell me where the wine was from or the brand. Secret he said. Anyone had the inside info?[/QUOTE]I think I do, but I'm not going to share his secret, as he's a good friend. I would disagree about the "excellence" however. It's an ordinary table wine (my opinion only) and I could show you two or three places in Davao where you could buy similar wine for about Php500 a bottle.

GE.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2021287]Stick to your old habits OM (have you tried SM Super Dry?)

I think it is the closest to the good Aussie beers that I have found here (with or without ice).

Good, well managed wine served in "real" restaurants (like Bon Appetit in Davao and Zuni in Greenbelt (there are others too)) is worth trying but only if you don't mind paying the premium price for such tipples.[/QUOTE]Obviously the microbrewery revolution hasn't reached Davao yet.

The Bottle Shop in Magallanes has a wide variety of imported bottles and a surprisingly large number of local brews, bottled and draft. They also have a couple of other outlets, in Makati I think.

Of more relevance to members might be that G-Point serves its own house beers, both in the main bar and in the regular {non FL} bar around the corner in Adriatico St. Whwn I have been in the latter, any groups have been of uni / yuppy type Filipinos, so it may be that they have little idea what they are drinking but are happy to flash the cash!

[QUOTE=ShiningWit;2021410]Obviously the microbrewery revolution hasn't reached Davao yet.

The Bottle Shop in Magallanes has a wide variety of imported bottles and a surprisingly large number of local brews, bottled and draft. They also have a couple of other outlets, in Makati I think.

Of more relevance to members might be that G-Point serves its own house beers, both in the main bar and in the regular {non FL} bar around the corner in Adriatico St. Whwn I have been in the latter, any groups have been of uni / yuppy type Filipinos, so it may be that they have little idea what they are drinking but are happy to flash the cash![/QUOTE]I'm not much of a beer drinker, but I do know that you can buy a few imported beers--Stella Artois, Corona for example--in S&are in Davao. Swiss Deli also serves some German lager and dark beers, and I'm guessing that Bondi & Burke, under Australian ownership, might serve some Australian beer. But I don't know of any micro-brewed beers available here, which doesn't mean they don't exist.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2021720] I don't know of any micro-brewed beers available here, which doesn't mean they don't exist. [/QUOTE]Here you go GE.

Not exactly Davao-specific but useful nevertheless.

I have tried the full range of Rogue's Ale (available at StockPile in Sapphire in Ortigas Center) and it's OK. Biggest problem with pinoy craft beers is the Quality Control.

Second problem is they are "outrageously expensive" relative to the tried and true SMB.

[URL]http://www.wheninmanila.com/5-philippine-microbreweries-changing-the-way-you-can-enjoy-beer/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.spot.ph/eatdrink/the-latest-eat-drink/57593/top-10-must-try-local-craft-beers-in-manila[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2021790]Here you go GE.

Not exactly Davao-specific but useful nevertheless.

I have tried the full range of Rogue's Ale (available at StockPile in Sapphire in Ortigas Center) and it's OK. Biggest problem with pinoy craft beers is the Quality Control.

Second problem is they are "outrageously expensive" relative to the tried and true SMB.

[URL]http://www.wheninmanila.com/5-philippine-microbreweries-changing-the-way-you-can-enjoy-beer/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.spot.ph/eatdrink/the-latest-eat-drink/57593/top-10-must-try-local-craft-beers-in-manila[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks RK. I keep a few bottles of Stell around the fridge just in case I get the beer urge, but it's enough for me. As I said, I don't really like beer that much and so rarely indulge.

GE.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2021790]Here you go GE.

Not exactly Davao-specific but useful nevertheless.

I have tried the full range of Rogue's Ale (available at StockPile in Sapphire in Ortigas Center) and it's OK. Biggest problem with pinoy craft beers is the Quality Control.

Second problem is they are "outrageously expensive" relative to the tried and true SMB.

[URL]http://www.wheninmanila.com/5-philippine-microbreweries-changing-the-way-you-can-enjoy-beer/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.spot.ph/eatdrink/the-latest-eat-drink/57593/top-10-must-try-local-craft-beers-in-manila[/URL][/QUOTE]Agreed about both reliability and price.

Still, as I sit in my basement debating which session of my local beer festival to attend, I am prepared to support any brew in the Phils that isn't San Miguel product.

[QUOTE=ShiningWit;2021851]Agreed about both reliability and price.

Still, as I sit in my basement debating which session of my local beer festival to attend, I am prepared to support any brew in the Phils that isn't San Miguel product.[/QUOTE]On the other hand, San Mig is no worse than most American mass produced beers like Bud and Millers; they all taste somewhat like water with alcohol added. However, I don't believe that the great mass of local beer drinkers is going to be weaned away from San Mig anytime soon.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2022170]On the other hand, San Mig is no worse than most American mass produced beers like Bud and Millers; they all taste somewhat like water with alcohol added. However, I don't believe that the great mass of local beer drinkers is going to be weaned away from San Mig anytime soon.[/QUOTE]After having written Bud off for the very reasons GE described it, imagine my delight to discover the Budweiser bar near the Chinggis Square in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia.

It has no ties to the US brand and is instead the original Czech brew that eventually made its way to the states and became bastardized beyond recognition.

I have enjoyed many cold draft pints of the REAL THING in this bar. (My apologies that this post is taking the thread further and further from Davao).

Was in Davao briefly and had to eat (as we all do LOL) – and I mean food LOL.

Was told by a friend in Cebu who visits Davo sometimes to see one of his 'girlfriends' about a new (ish) place with very good, authentic Italian pasta and French roast chicken. Reasonable prices and a decent wine list (not that I partake much if at all but he does sometimes), where two could eat fora reasonable price with wine (or so I was told).

Called Mia Figlia Pasta located on Mabini St. At the corner with Mariner. Went there with a cutie and we had some wine (well she did), chicken potatoes and pasta and for less than PHP 1000 - for me that is great value for decent food and you are not paying lots as you may with some finer dining places in the city (even though I have eaten there as well and enjoyed it). The owner is charming and friendly – good person and runs a tight resto with good service (I like that also as in many places service is slow etc).

I would not take a cutie to a fine fining place for reasons others have stated (and I agree with) but I also won't take them to Jollibee as that is food for dogs IMHO and I need to eat also to get the energy LOL.

So, this was a good compromise IMHO and one I will revisit as I liked the food and the atmosphere – assuming am back in Davao and have time as this was a more of a quick visit.

As our aircraft climbed up out of Davao just the other day, we had a bird's-eye view of the three gray Chinese Navy warships docked below, at Sasa Wharf in Davao City. The Chinese warships, commanded by Rear Admiral Shen Hao, were in Davao for a few days on a "good will" mission. Their visit was propitiously timed to coincide with ASEAN conferences, hosted by President Duterte, at the Waterfront Insular Hotel in Davao City.

Although certainly not the largest or newest vessels in the Chinese Navy, the three visiting warships were probably more sophisticated than anything in the Philippine Navy. The Chinese warships underscored the message of proximate Chinese military power and might, not only to Filipinos, but also to the visiting delegates from the various ASEAN countries.

How many US vessels docked at Davao City?

Zero.

Score another well-planned propaganda point for the Chinese.

OM.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2030074]As our aircraft climbed up out of Davao just the other day, we had a bird's-eye view of the three gray Chinese Navy warships docked below, at Sasa Wharf in Davao City. The Chinese warships, commanded by Rear Admiral Shen Hao, were in Davao for a few days on a "good will" mission. Their visit was propitiously timed to coincide with ASEAN conferences, hosted by President Duterte, at the Waterfront Insular Hotel in Davao City.

Although certainly not the largest or newest vessels in the Chinese Navy, the three visiting warships were probably more sophisticated than anything in the Philippine Navy. The Chinese warships underscored the message of proximate Chinese military power and might, not only to Filipinos, but also to the visiting delegates from the various ASEAN countries.

How many US vessels docked at Davao City?

Zero.

Score another well-planned propaganda point for the Chinese.

OM.[/QUOTE]While I agree it was a minor propaganda coup. I don't think the situation is quite as dramatic as Omega3 describes. The fact is that US warships have docked, and continue to dock at various ports in Mindanao at least once a year during the joint Philippines /-US military exercises. And when the US forces arrive, it's with a carrier naval force. The presence of 3 warships in Davao harbor wasn't played up much in the local press and if intended as a grandiose PR gesture by the Chinese, it failed. Also I believe the ASEAN conference was held in Manila so it's highly doubtful that any of the foreign delegates would have seen the Chinese ships.

GE.

First trip to Davao in about a decade. Last time there, the original SM Mall in Davao was not quite completed. Traveled with asawako, who was attending some meetings there. Thus, this is a general travel & food report, for any who might be interested.

Day 1.

Asawako used Grab app to price out approximate taxi fares (and, thus, approximate distances) from hotel to various restaurants. We discovered that there are no Grab cars, but only Grab taxis, in Davao. Our first restaurant choice, Bon Appetit, on Loyola Street, showed up on Grab at over P400 taxi fare, so we decided to defer our visit there until another day. Later, found out that the Grab app fares shown were several times quite inaccurate and misleading, including this one, and that Bon Appetit is actually not far from Victoria Mall, and we easily could have gone there first. Too bad, but good motivation for next Davao visit!

Claude's Cafe de Ville.

Booked a Grab taxi to Claude's Cafe de Ville, at #143 J. Rizal Street. We enjoyed the weekday business lunch special, at P550 per, including entree and salad bar. Enjoyed the grilled cobbler (fish, much like cream dory) and duck confit (duck leg, tasty, a bit tough), and pleasant salad bar, with a small assortment of cheeses. Did not have time for a bottle, but paired a glass of Camas Pinot Noir (P320) with the duck entree. As the "house" wine, it was pleasant enough.

Met the proprietor, Monsieur Claude, who turned out to be a congenial French restaurateur, cosmopolitan and pleasantly urbane, much like a few other French expats in the trade whom I have met over the years around Southeast Asia. Monsieur Claude mentioned that, before opening this restaurant, he previously was GM at the Waterfront Hotel in Davao.

For dessert, asawako enjoyed the cheesecake, which she pronounced her new favorite, supplanting her previous fave cheesecake at the Cebu Marco Polo Plaza.

Claude's charming French bistro is located in an historical house, with wooden floors, and graceful wooden floor to ceiling arched room dividers. Tiny Eiffel Tower replica perched on a shelf toward the front. On several of the walls, attractive framed art, which turned out to be watercolors by a local artist, Gilbert Millaflor. Artwork available for purchase.

After lunch, we booked another Grab taxi for a quick detour to De Bonte Koe, which we just noticed also had a J. Rizal Street address. DBK turned out to be just a stone's throw away from Claude's place, and easily could have been walked.

De Bonte Koe.

Unfortunately, DBK turned out to be an anticlimax after Claude's. First, it was not easy for us as first-time visitors to find the restaurant itself. We easily spotted their DBK roadside sign, and Casa Habana. Walked up the steps in front, only to find a "Closed" sign in the locked door. Looked like the wrong place. Walked around to an open building just on the side, where a young female concierge directed us up some stairs. After we climbed to the third floor, the young lady followed, and informed us that she had misunderstood, and did not really know of DBK. Back down we went, and asked at another establishment, and the folks there waved vaguely in a direction toward the back. Turns out that DBK is in a separate structure, at the back of Casa Habana. Easy enough to find, once you know where it is.

We entered DBK, and my first impression was of an off-putting smell, kind of like disinfectant in a CR. Asawako also commented on this, but thought it was the smell of "old" fixtures and furnishings. The interior was a bit dark. We were debating whether just to turn around and leave, but the proprietor, Henny, was quite pleasant and welcoming, so we decided to sit down and sample the food. Ordered a simple pasta dish, plus mango soup. Both were reasonably priced, and tasty enough. The warm mango (sweet) soup reminded me of the "hot" mango halo-halo at Gerry's Grill at Cebu Robinson's Galleria (other branches also).

We booked a Grab taxi, and when the app showed the taxi was 2 minutes away, walked to the road front, but then waited over ten minutes, watching a couple of empty non-Grab taxis drive by. Finally, we canceled the Grab taxi and within a couple of minutes, flagged down an empty taxi passing by. Back to the hotel and siesta.

Luz Kinilaw & Inihaw Place.

Several of asawako's Cebu colleagues, also visiting, invited us to join them at dinner at Luz Kinilaw & Inihaw Place, on Quezon Blvd, near Magsaysay Park and Chinatown. The "legend" is that Lucente Polache, the namesake proprietor of Luz Place, originally borrowed P200 to start out with an humble food stall, which became so popular that she wound up with a busy two-story restaurant, and now has a home in the same neighborhood as ("next door to") then-Mayor and now-President Duterte.

We enjoyed the focused local fare, with a huge slab of tasty grilled tuna belly on a stick, and grilled fish, squid and chicken, with fish soup and platters of plain rice. The restaurant was filled with large numbers of happy diners, but no other westerner visible.

Durian at Magsaysay Fruit Stalls.

After dinner, we walked a few minutes to the Magsaysay fruit stalls and ordered several different kinds of durian, which we ate while sitting at a simple rough roadside table. Durian, sometimes known in southeast Asia as the "king of fruits" is an acquired taste, and took me many years to appreciate (just as it took me years to appreciate the smell and taste of "tsou tofu" or stinky tofu in Taiwan). The first few times I tried durian (in Bangkok), couldn't get over the awful smell, and retched and spat back out immediately, nearly vomiting. Because of its pungent aroma, many hotels in southeast Asia still have signs at their front doors, prohibiting durian from being brought in.

Davao durian is legendary in the Philippines, but this was off-season, and the durian was costly, at P300 per kilo. We were given disposable plastic gloves and ate by hand. My favorite was the first one we ate, an orange colored variety, which had a heavenly sweet creamy taste and texture, a bit like custard, with a hint of cinnamon. Must come back to Davao during durian season (around August?) and pig out. Have been warned by locals though, that those suffering from hypertension (like me) should eat durian only in moderation, as it allegedly increases body heat and raises blood pressure.

End of Day 1 report.

Shout out to GE, and also to RK, for their recommendations of the fine Western restaurants!

Day 2 report to follow.

OM.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2030128]While I agree it was a minor propaganda coup. I don't think the situation is quite as dramatic as Omega3 describes. The fact is that US warships have docked, and continue to dock at various ports in Mindanao at least once a year during the joint Philippines /-US military exercises. And when the US forces arrive, it's with a carrier naval force. The presence of 3 warships in Davao harbor wasn't played up much in the local press and if intended as a grandiose PR gesture by the Chinese, it failed. Also I believe the ASEAN conference was held in Manila so it's highly doubtful that any of the foreign delegates would have seen the Chinese ships.

GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks Omega for the PM. I stand correct as obviously the ASEAN meeting was here and I didn't even know about it. I do find it a bit strange that it got to little publicity though. At any rate, thanks for correcting me.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2030222]Thanks Omega for the PM. I stand correct as obviously the ASEAN meeting was here and I didn't even know about it. I do find it a bit strange that it got to little publicity though. At any rate, thanks for correcting me.

GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks, GE. Upon further reflection, I now think that you were correct and I was mistaken. Although my recollection is that the signboard at the Davao Waterfront Insular the morning of Sunday, April 30, referred to an ASEAN meeting event there, either my recollection was mistaken, or the signboard was erroneous. Mainstream media reports that the ASEAN farewell dinner was on Saturday evening, April 29, at the Sofitel in Manila, with no report of any ASEAN event in Davao on Sunday.

President Duterte met with President Widodo and an Indonesian delegation in Davao on Sunday, April 30, but that was in connection with the inauguration of the RORO from Davao to GenSan to Indonesia, and was not an ASEAN event per se.

There was a big influx of Asian guests with colorful lanyard ribbons at the Davao Waterfront on Saturday afternoon and evening and on Sunday morning, but, on reflection, I did not hear any of them speaking Thai or Lao or any language other than Mandarin and what I believe to be a couple of Chinese dialects. And, on reflection, the guests I saw did not look like ethnic Southeast Asians so much as Chinese.

So, I now don't think that there was an ASEAN meeting on Sunday in Davao.

My bad. Apologies!

OM.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2030287].

So, I now don't think that there was an ASEAN meeting on Sunday in Davao.
[/QUOTE]I think you're both partly right.

My friend who works for DFA told me that there were ASEAN meetings in various places in the Philippines during the lead-up to the event. These were for the backroom delegates who do all the leg-work and then the dignitaries swan in for the ceremonial signings, posturing, photo-ops etc and then fly out again.

They were in Bohol and Davao that I know of but there were other places too. No big deal guys. More important things to worry about (like world peace?

This is the second part of a general travel & food report, for any who might be interested.

Day 2.

SM Lanang.

After a leisurely morning, proceeded to SM Lanang, where asawako needed to shop for some clothing items. This mall is moderately large, new, clean and bright. There was a big 3-day sale with many items half price. At noon on a big sale Saturday, the mall was not at all crowded, actually a relief. Was later told that there are century-old trees around the outside of this mall, but did not remember seeing them.

Bukidnon Milk.

On the SM Lanang ground floor, in the center of the mall "open area" (with a view of the upper floors) there was a mini flea market type area, with small portable stalls and various snacks and dry goods on offer. Stopped by a stall selling Bukidnon Milk, "from the happiest cows". Claimed to be 100% grass-fed, free-range Holstein hybrids. May be the best milk I have tasted in the Philippines. Bought a couple of liters, at P100 each, and an insulated carry bag. Enjoyed drinking the tasty milk in our hotel room later that evening and early the next morning. Ran out too quickly, wished we had bought more. What a treat!

Swiss Deli (Lanang).

From SM Lanang, just a very short taxi ride north on J. P. Laurel Avenue (toward Waterfront Hotel) past the first traffic light and under the flyover, to Swiss Deli. Across JP Laurel from BPI Lanang, and generally across from Mamay Road and Damosa retail. Big black & white statue of heifer in front. Taxi driver called it "Restaurant with baka (cow) in front". Spanish for cow = "vaca". Some words in Tagalog or Bisayan are very easy to learn if you know a little Spanish! Would like to visit Zamboanga some day, even if reportedly dangerous, just to hear Chabacano (with even more Spanish influence) being spoken there.

The SD staff were friendly and opened the underground "wine cellar" area for us, turning on the lights and AC there. A couple of picnic-type wooden tables with benches, adjacent to shelves of wine. Yum. Luckily, no wine bottles were broken here during the earthquake the day before (reportedly, 7. 2 at the epicenter, near GenSan, and quite noticeable in Davao early in the morning).

Ordered "wild boar" pate (P160) and US Angus ribeye steak (P795) plus bottle of 2014 Ribbonwood Marlborough Pinot Noir (P1195 plus small corkage fee). Swiss Deli had one French pinot and two Marlborough pinots on display. Ribbonwood was recommended by the SD folks. Did not recognize the winery or label. The Ribbonwood pinot turned out to be bright and fruity, with sour cherry notes and hint of smokiness. Low tannins. Pleasant enough for a little lunch in the wine cellar on a warm afternoon, when I did not feel like opening up a bigger cab or Merlot. The ribeye was tasty, although thin (not thick cut). Ribeyes generally are expected to have more fat than tenderloin, and I wound up cutting away a bit of fat (from the steak, not my belly). No problem, a good time was had by all.

Food is tasty enough, ambiance pleasant, and prices reasonable at Swiss Deli, which has a relatively larger selection of wines. For some reason, SD reminded me of a miniaturized Hi Time Wine Cellar in Costa Mesa.

Was told that there is a second Swiss Deli, in Matina, with a different owner, who is a friend of the two owners of the original Swiss Deli Lanang. Did not stop into this second SD Matina, although passed by the following day (Day 3 report).

Had to attend a dinner event at the hotel that evening, so did not go out.

End of Day 2 report.

Shout out to GE, for recommending Swiss Deli. Thanks, GE, for another good call!

Day 3 report (last day, whew) to follow.

OM.

I do not know if the recent declaration of martial law in Mindanao has made the international press yet, but it happened yesterday by Presidential edict. Evidently serious outbreaks of violence have occurred in the city of Marawi and the military is concerned about the spread of clashes between the AFP and IS-related rebel groups throughout other areas of the region. From the scant coverage I've read, under the Constitution of the Philippines, the President has the right to declare martial law for a period not to exceed 60 days, but that period can be extended with the concurrence of Congress. There's little doubt that President Duterte did the right thing in this instance, as evidently the clashes have been protracted and extremely violent, and there's also little doubt that the military's presence in Mindanao will become more visible.

Davao, at least as of last night, was calm, with no evident of increased military presence. However, the imposition of martial law carries with it the stipulation that all residents, whether permanent or itninterant, carry identification with themselves at all times. Thus, I'm writing this to ensure that anyone out there in ISG-land contemplating a visit to anywhere in Mindanao, remember to retain ID at all times when outside of your accommodations.

GE.

Evidently the insurrection in the province of Lanao del Sur (concentrated in the city of Marawi) has been precipitated by the Maute (pronounced Ma-you-te) Group, a self-proclaimed offshoot of ISIS. At one point the group evidently took over city hall and a radio station in Marawi City, and the battles continue between the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) and the insurrectionists. Local news channels refer to the latter continuously as terrorists, who are presumably trying to establish a caliphate in Lanao del Sur. The armed conflict began almost as soon as Duterte and all his top miliatary officials departed the country for a state visit to Russia, and local media, are focused almost exclusively on the threat now posed by this group in the Marawi area.

The pitched battles now occurring evidently caught the authorities here by surprise, and so far, there have been no warnings or official pronouncements from foreign embassies, or at least none that I've seen.

I'm not overly concerned about the situation in Davao, where life continues peacefully as it did before the outbreak of hostilities. However, I'd encourage anyone out there considering a trip to anyplace in Mindanao other than Davao to re-think your plans.

GE.

Just received from the US Embassy:

United States Embassy Manila, Philippines.

Emergency*Message for USA Citizens:* Mindanao Security Situation.

May 24,2017.

*.

THE EMBASSY OF THE UNITED STATES IS TRANSMITTING THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION THROUGH THE EMBASSY WARDEN SYSTEM AS A PUBLIC SERVICE TO USA CITIZENS IN THE PHILIPPINES. *PLEASE DISSEMINATE THIS MESSAGE TO ALL USA CITIZENS IN YOUR ORGANIZATION OR NEIGHBORHOOD. *.

*.

The USA Embassy cautions USA Citizens that there is an ongoing conflict between terrorist groups and Philippine Security Forces in Marawi City, Mindanao. * Media reports suggest that there are multiple dead and injured. * On May 23,2017, the Philippine government declared martial law throughout the Mindanao region for 60 days. * The Philippine National Police (PNP) and Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) have been placed on high alert. *.

*.

The USA Embassy has temporarily suspended Mission personnel travel to Mindanao pending a better understanding of the threat environment. * While the USA Embassy has no information that the events in Marawi City*represent a direct threat to USA Citizens or USA Interests in the Philippines, we encourage USA Citizens to review personal security plans, avoid large crowds and gatherings, and remain vigilant at all times.

*.

The USA Embassy wishes to remind USA Citizens of the most recent Worldwide Caution, dated March 6,*2017, which indicates there is an ongoing threat of terrorist actions and violence against USA Citizens and interests abroad, including the Philippines. *Extremists have targeted sporting events, theaters, markets, mass transportation systems–including airlines, and other public venues where large crowds gather. *Crowded nightclubs, shopping malls, buses and popular restaurants have also been targets. * USA Citizens should be mindful of the importance of taking preventative measures to ensure their safety and security while traveling and residing in the Philippines‎.

*.

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Not a great time to own a commercial establishment in Davao.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2039338]Just received from the US Embassy:

United States Embassy Manila, Philippines.

Emergency*Message for USA Citizens:* Mindanao Security Situation.[/QUOTE]Yep, got the same notice. Duterte took the right action.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2039577]Yep, got the same notice. Duterte took the right action.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with you, but the outcome isn't yet known. If the decree is expanded to the rest of the country, I'll start to become concerned for the future. If it remains in place for only 60 days, and remains restricted to Mindanao, then yes, it will have been the right thing to do in my opinion. Whatever the case, if the curfew is imposed, it's going to wreak some havoc with the restaurant and Hotel businesses.

GE.

Stay safe you guys.

Doubt it will, but hippie this blows over soon.

This is the third and final part of a general Davao travel & food report, which was written before ML, but not posted until just now, after ML. Intervening events in Marawi in particular and in Mindanao in general may have made this report a bit trite, but, perhaps, at the very least: remembrances of lost times? (with apologies to M. Proust).

Day 3.

A few colleagues of Asawako had chartered a large taxi for the day, and we joined their informal Sunday expedition.

Eden Nature Park & Resort.

An interesting hour-long ride to Eden, up in the mountains in the general direction of Mt Apo. Sunday at this popular venue was quite crowded. Eden entrance fee was P280 each, which included a light snack. We arrived shortly after 10 am, and were told that the shuttle bus tours around the premises were already booked until 4 pm. We just walked around a bit. Still hot in the sun, refreshingly cooler in the shade, but by no means chilly enough for a jacket or sweater.

Walked up a slight hill past a small aviary area, to the butterfly park. Highlight is a couple of huge netted areas, each big enough for a dozen people to comfortably walk around, populated with hundreds or even thousands of butterflies. A young male employee caught a few dozen butterflies, somehow folded them all like origami, and then placed them in the hands of Asawako. He told her to open her hands, and the butterflies fluttered out and up toward the sky. She was delighted. Captured this "opening of butterflies" on IPad video. Lovely.

Eden Nature Park Zipline Area.

We got back in the taxi and drove across the main road to an Eden restaurant on the other side, where we enjoyed a light snack, included in the admission fee. Enjoyed a tuna sandwich on toasted bun, while others had spaghetti. Not bad, actually. Maybe we worked up an appetite walking around earlier? After the snack, Asawako's colleagues tried the "kiddy" low zipline on the adjacent hill area, while we watched. Periodically, there would be screams from the nearby bungee-type high swing. None of us tried this ride. After a bit, we got back in the taxi and headed on to our next stop.

Crocodile Park.

We drove back toward Davao City, to the Crocodile Park and small zoo (with a tiger, snakes, monkeys, birds, and various small animals). Entrance fee was P250, but increases to P300 closer to feeding time. We were originally told that feeding time was at 3 pm, but later told 4 pm, and did not wait after walking around. Saw one huge crocodile in a separate pen, but it was unmoving, so was not convinced it was actually alive. Numerous smaller and baby crocodiles in ponds or other pens. Walked to a nearby crocodile restaurant where one of our group tried the croc burger (P130). When served, we could see that it was charred. He reported that it tasted a bit like fish, but less oily. Didn't really look too appetizing.

Jack's Ridge.

Back in the taxi and back to Jack's Ridge, with a grand view of majestic Mt Apo dead ahead along the way. Up and across to an area of Jack's Ridge which was a bit like Topps above Cebu. Small entry fee. Lovely view of Davao City down below. The more energetic members of our small group walked down a long flight of stairs to a field below. Asawako and I just enjoyed a cup of coffee and cheesecake in the air conditioned coffee shop above. We strolled around a bit, and spotted a vintage WWII Japanese aircraft on the nearby hillside, above a swimming pool area. Apparently, Jack's Ridge was a Japanese large gun emplacement site and figured prominently in the WW II Battle of Davao between Japanese forces resisting US and Filipino forces. Reminded me a bit of Mt Tapochau in Saipan, where Lee Marvin, then a US marine, was injured in WWII fierce fighting between Japanese and US forces.

Informal Davao City Tour.

Back in the taxi, over the ridge and down to the other side, which was Matina, and back to Davao City, passing Swiss Deli Matina (also with a baka or cow statue in front). Did not stop. Arrived at our destination restaurant early, at 4:30, but it did not open for dinner until 5:30, so spent the next hour in a delightful impromptu city tour. Along the way, passed by Victoria Mall and was told that Loyola Street (with Bon Appetit) was not far away. Was tempted to just "jump ship" and go there, but could not. Passed by People's Park, and saw Casa Leticia, which was one of the places where I had stayed during my prior visit a decade earlier, adjacent to Tsuru Japanese Restaurant, where I had enjoyed a pleasant lunch once. Passed by Gaesano South Mall, where I had seen a move a decade ago. Think the theater was bombed not long afterward?

Red House Shabu Shabu Restaurant.

Arrived at our restaurant at 5:30 pm. On F. Torres Street, adjacent to Davao City Convention Center, in the same new retail area as Nonki Japanese restaurant, which fronts F. Torres. This is a new branch of the original Red House in Cebu on Apitong Street, adjacent to MJ Suites and close by Parklane Hotel on Escario. There is a second Cebu branch on AS Fortuna and apparently relatively new branches now in Bacolod and in Tacloban. The Davao branch does not yet have a sign containing the words "Red House" but simply reads "Taiwan Shabu Shabu".

As reported in an earlier Cebu Restaurants post, I am a fan of shabu shabu restaurants, and wanted to introduce Asawako's colleagues to this type of dining, and so hosted the dinner. The menu was almost identical to the Cebu menu, and we ordered Set (B), plus a number of extra dishes a la carte. Asawako's colleagues seemed to enjoy the new dining experience. Food was almost the same as in Cebu, except that the tofu in the Davao branch was not as fresh or tasty, and the fish balls also not quite as good. The Davao branch also is quite popular. By 6:30 pm, every table in the restaurant was occupied with happy diners, although no other westerner visible.

After a pleasant dinner, we called it a day. We all wanted to go back to our respective hotels early, because of flights back to Cebu the following morning.

End of Day 3 and end of this series of Davao reports. Hope it was interesting reading?

OM.

Anybody know where I can get the little blue pill in Davao? Will I need to make a doctor's appointment or can it be bought on the street like in Manila?

[QUOTE=Slippery;2049693]Anybody know where I can get the little blue pill in Davao? Will I need to make a doctor's appointment or can it be bought on the street like in Manila?[/QUOTE]I'm not a Davao resident, so take it for what it's worth. The Generics Pharmacy (TGP) has several branches in Davao, [URL]http://tgp.com.ph/branches/?city_id=50[/URL], and its brand name of sildenafil is Tigerfil. My experience w / a few TGP branches in Manila is it employs non-pharmacists to dispense medication, which contravenes the law. I've never been asked for a prescription at a TGP. A fubu's sister is a pharmacist, and she told me her sister was 'employed' on paper to be the onsite pharmacist, which is required by law, but she never worked onsite. Another option is independent pharmacies; again, never asked for a prescription at one. It's only been big chains like Mercury and Watsons, and usually at the larger malls, that a prescription has been asked for; this hasn't been uniform, and often a bit of social engineering overcame it. I've found complete success by bringing in the drug's packaging and giving it to the person behind the counter. If they say "we don't have that brand" just ask for an equivalent.

[QUOTE=Slippery;2049693]Anybody know where I can get the little blue pill in Davao? Will I need to make a doctor's appointment or can it be bought on the street like in Manila?[/QUOTE]Can't respond about Davao either. The small pharmacies are a good idea.

Last month I took a girl to see her solo practioner doctor. While I was there it dawn on me to ask the doctor for a scrip for the blue pill. I asked and the doc asked me why would I need one? Then the good doc said he has a supply of kamagra and generic cialis. The prices were a tiny bit less than the pharmacies. And no charge for the visit.

I stocked up and bought some for a friend back home. You might ask a doctor to buy some.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2049749]Can't respond about Davao either. The small pharmacies are a good idea.

Last month I took a girl to see her solo practioner doctor. While I was there it dawn on me to ask the doctor for a scrip for the blue pill. I asked and the doc asked me why would I need one? Then the good doc said he has a supply of kamagra and generic cialis. The prices were a tiny bit less than the pharmacies. And no charge for the visit.

I stocked up and bought some for a friend back home. You might ask a doctor to buy some.[/QUOTE]At Mercury and the other large chain pharmacies, you will need a prescription for Viagra, however generic sildenifil is available without prescription and at least some of the Mercury Drugs outlets.

GE.

[QUOTE=Slippery;2049693]Anybody know where I can get the little blue pill in Davao? Will I need to make a doctor's appointment or can it be bought on the street like in Manila?[/QUOTE]I went to a mercury in Davao and the price of Viagra was 1000 Php.

The generic sidenafil was about 400 Php I think.

No prescriptions asked for.

After reading some posts on quantity to take, I took half a pill. Didn't really do much for me and haven't had the chance to experiment any further.

There's also a thread on this forum for Viagra if you want more info.

[QUOTE=StevieW;2049880]I went to a mercury in Davao and the price of Viagra was 1000 Php.

The generic sidenafil was about 400 Php I think.
After reading some posts on quantity to take, I took half a pill. Didn't really do much for me and haven't had the chance to experiment any further.
.[/QUOTE]For the pricing can you let us know the size of the tab ie 50 MG & 100 MG and the box size. Maybe 4 pieces per box?

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2050462]For the pricing can you let us know the size of the tab ie 50 MG & 100 MG and the box size. Maybe 4 pieces per box?[/QUOTE]Generic Sildenifil is sold in boxes of 5 pcs. Very much over-packaged with each in its own blister packs and in its own cardboard sealed card.

I get mine from Mercury. Watsons doesn't always have in stock.

Thy will ask if you want the 50 MG or 100 MG tabs but it's a no-brainer: always buy the 100 MG tabs and break in half along the groove in the tab for virtually the same price. I only ever need 50 MG at a time.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2050462]For the pricing can you let us know the size of the tab ie 50 MG & 100 MG and the box size. Maybe 4 pieces per box?[/QUOTE]Yeah. Sorry. They were 100 MG.

Packaged as described by RK.

Excellent info Omega. It's been about eight years since I've been to Davao, but been thinking about a return visit. I visited the eagle sanctuary, but never made it to Eden or the crocodile park.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2047482]This is the third and final part of a general Davao travel & food report, which was written before ML, but not posted until just now, after ML. Intervening events in Marawi in particular and in Mindanao in general may have made this report a bit trite, but, perhaps, at the very least: remembrances of lost times? (with apologies to M. Proust).

Day 3.

SNIP

OM.[/QUOTE]

I read them all. Very nice but there wasn't a word of advice on how a man might arrange sex with a woman. That is strange because this is the stated purpose of the ISG.

O3: might I request a final report dedicated to this topic? I have read the Davao trip reports over the last few years, and it seems that the choices are regular dating (or perhaps DIA encounters with an understanding of the need for patience) or a small number of bars with very hardcore ladies. I am certain one could do better with th e proper advice.

Please help us Phil lovers!

Many thanks! F.

[QUOTE=Forest;2050589]I read them all. Very nice but there wasn't a word of advice on how a man might arrange sex with a woman. That is strange because this is the stated purpose of the ISG. ***[/QUOTE]Just returned from a hectic trip to USA and HK. Am now catching up this forum and on other matters.

Forest, thanks for reading the three food and travel posts from my recent visit to Davao. I had tried made it clear that these were "general travel & food reports, for any who might be interested".

It seems that we differ fundamentally on our perceptions of this forum, and perhaps on our respective mongering lifestyles. No problem, "Live and let live". Peace, brother.

After having mongered in a number of countries around Asia over the span of half a century, I have come to appreciate the "flavor of women". Not just the flavors of their lips, tongues, throats, breasts, nipples, bellies, buttocks, vaginas, clits, thighs, and various and sundry other body parts, but also the "flavors" of their minds, hearts, and souls. Of course, some women are simple and one-dimensional, but others offer unexpected nuances, complexities and poignancy.

As Robert Heinlein might have asked, Do you "grok"?

Similarly, I have come to appreciate the "flavors" of various cities and countries and believe that some, but not all, mongers might also appreciate field reports on diverse subjects pertaining to international travel in these cities and countries. Some other posters have asked what there is to do in particular areas besides boozing and fucking.

There are various popular "multi-dimensional" threads in this forum, pertaining to Philippine politics and economics, and hotels, restaurants, and so on, related to metro Manila, Angeles, or Cebu. I personally think that Davao, as the third most populous metropolitan area in the Philippines, similarly deserves more than just a monochromatic thread. My disclaimers, at the beginnings of each of the three reports, were an effort to alert readers that these reports pertained to food and travel generally, so that any readers not interested in food and travel would not waste their time in reading further.

[QUOTE=Forest;2050589]O3: might I request a final report dedicated to this topic? I have read the Davao trip reports over the last few years, and it seems that the choices are regular dating (or perhaps DIA encounters with an understanding of the need for patience) or a small number of bars with very hardcore ladies. I am certain one could do better with the proper advice.

Please help us Phil lovers!

Many thanks! F.[/QUOTE]To borrow a neatly-turned phrase from X-Man (in a different context in a different thread): "Since you've been around the block a few times, I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, or why. So, I'll just throw a few things out there".

My perception is that, with the appropriate mind-set, sexual opportunity in the Philippines in general, and in Davao City in particular, is not exactly rocket science, and is actually probably somewhat closer to "rolling off a log", but may take a little time and effort.

By no means am I an expert on Davao City but, based on RTFF, I would not spend too much time in searching for sexual opportunity in "hard core" bars in Davao. Instead, would look at a number of non-exclusive approaches:

1. Social media and "dating sites". This has become a preferred choice of many savvy mongers. There have been many excellent posts on this forum by others far more knowledgeable and experienced than I on this topic.

2. Personal networking. Usually productive. Including, but not necessarily limited to, PMs to other posters on this forum who have far more expertise, contacts and suggestions for Davao City.

3. "Open field" sources. The "old fashioned hands-on" approach. If you are attuned, you will pick up on saucy eye contact and sexual vibes from certain potentially interested women virtually anywhere. Restaurants, coffee shops, malls (both shop girls and pedestrians), hotels, offices, churches, clinics, and so on. Of course, not every woman, and not all the time, and not always resulting in instant gratification, but usually enough to keep a monger happily occupied if so inclined.

4. "Bring your own".

Of course, the recently imposed martial law in Mindanao will or may put all of the above into a whole different context. Other, more "traditional" venues most likely will be more productive if you are looking for sexual opportunity. It may not your best use of time to visit Davao, unless you have other business or other interests, or unless you are truly an "old hand".

Just one man's views.

OM.

[QUOTE=Forest;2050589]I read them all. Very nice but there wasn't a word of advice on how a man might arrange sex with a woman. That is strange because this is the stated purpose of the ISG.


Many thanks! F.[/QUOTE]You have 660 posts and you ask this question? On ISG? Thought I had seen it all.

Omega responded eloquently but really you need to ask how to arrange sex with women? But then you have also asked about airbnb, Backpage and DIA recently (so you know how to find ladies), you have asked about hotels, broken condoms, LA dating sites, massage places in HK. So many questions. So you know where to find and arrange? Yes?

It is your game that makes the difference, how you look, act, talk, smell etc. Unless you expect advice on that also?

[QUOTE=Omega3;2053496]

My perception is that, with the appropriate mind-set, sexual opportunity in the Philippines in general, and in Davao City in particular, is not exactly rocket science, and is actually probably somewhat closer to "rolling off a log", but may take a little time and effort.

Of course, the recently imposed martial law in Mindanao will or may put all of the above into a whole different context. Other, more "traditional" venues most likely will be more productive if you are looking for sexual opportunity. It may not your best use of time to visit Davao, unless you have other business or other interests, or unless you are truly an "old hand".

Just one man's views.

OM.[/QUOTE]Well done O3. I don't think I've seen the word "grok" used since I was an undergraduate; your use of it sparked a host of pleasant memories of that long-ago era.

I'm not sure there's enough general interest in Davao to support multi-dimensional threads, which is a bit unfortunate since (one man's opinion only) the city is a hell of a lot more interesting than Cebu. As to the imposition of martial law having changed the context; it hasn't. There are no obvious road blocks, no ubiquitous police prescence, no dramatic changes to daily routines. However, martial law has essentially killed most tourism here. Prior to the imposition of martial law, many if not most of the planes arriving from Manila were full, as were many hotels and restaurants. This is no longer the case. I was told last week, for example, that the Marco Polo, the premiere hotel in the city, was running at about 20% occupancy. As far as the local women go, the dramatic reduction in the influx of tourists may have created significant opportunities for those interested in coming here for the purpose of chasing women. I have no direct evidence of this as I'm not a searcher while here, but I imagine it's true.

A couple of nights ago, I was talking to a close friend who has lived here for about 18 years, and we were reminiscing about places we used to go; some still open and others closed. The conversation eventually drifted to the discussion of a place called Plaza Roman, on Cabaguio St. , which featured a bar / pool hall with hostesses, a karaoke with hostesses, a massage shop and a larger bar / bistro with hostesses, and attractive, clean short-term rooms in a separate building in the rear. I had some great times there back in the day and was somewhat surprised to find out that it's still operating much the same as it did before. I don't think it's been mentioned in this forum, and I had forgotten about it completely, but anyone contemplating coming here might want to check it out. As I remember the place, it was both "dine-in" in the short-term rooms as well as "take-out" if that was your wish.

While Davao has no areas quite as in-your-face as Manila or even Cebu, there's an ample number of bars, karaoke places, pick-up venues and FL street walkers to keep an avid tourist busy. Because Davao is by far the largest city in the country in terms of geography, it's still easy to head out into the countryside while remaining within city limits, and there's some interesting stuff to do and see while doing so. This may also be the only city in the country in which taxi drivers routinely use meters without being asked.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2053923]*** I'm not sure there's enough general interest in Davao to support multi-dimensional threads, which is a bit unfortunate since (one man's opinion only) the city is a hell of a lot more interesting than Cebu. As to the imposition of martial law having changed the context; it hasn't. There are no obvious road blocks, no ubiquitous police prescence, no dramatic changes to daily routines. ***

While Davao has no areas quite as in-your-face as Manila or even Cebu, there's an ample number of bars, karaoke places, pick-up venues and FL street walkers to keep an avid tourist busy. Because Davao is by far the largest city in the country in terms of geography, it's still easy to head out into the countryside while remaining within city limits, and there's some interesting stuff to do and see while doing so. This may also be the only city in the country in which taxi drivers routinely use meters without being asked.

GE.[/QUOTE]In my view, GE is our preeminent expert from Davao on this forum. We are all fortunate to receive his insightful posts on the Philippines in general, and on Davao and other cities here in particular.

Relieved to hear that the effects of martial law are not too onerous to date in Davao. Hopefully, things will remain calm in Davao and elsewhere, and peace will be brought back to Marawi. However, martial law is unpredictable and potentially could ramp up overnight, especially if there is another bombing or other such incident.

Heaven forbid.

OM.

Hahaha the closest thing I've seen resembling martial law in Davao was a fat cop at the main entrance to Abreeza yesterday who was sitting at the police desk pigging out on a huge lunch.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2053496]Just returned from a hectic trip to USA and HK. Am now catching up this forum and on other matters.

Forest, thanks for reading the three food and travel posts from my recent visit to Davao. I had tried made it clear that these were "general travel & food reports, for any who might be interested".

It seems that we differ fundamentally on our perceptions of this forum, and perhaps on our respective mongering lifestyles. No problem, "Live and let live". Peace, brother.

After having mongered in a number of countries around Asia over the span of half a century, I have come to appreciate the "flavor of women". Not just the flavors of their lips, tongues, throats, breasts, nipples, bellies, buttocks, vaginas, clits, thighs, and various and sundry other body parts, but also the "flavors" of their minds, hearts, and souls. Of course, some women are simple and one-dimensional, but others offer unexpected nuances, complexities and poignancy.

As Robert Heinlein might have asked, Do you "grok"?

Similarly, I have come to appreciate the "flavors" of various cities and countries and believe that some, but not all, mongers might also appreciate field reports on diverse subjects pertaining to international travel in these cities and countries. Some other posters have asked what there is to do in particular areas besides boozing and fucking.

There are various popular "multi-dimensional" threads in this forum, pertaining to Philippine politics and economics, and hotels, restaurants, and so on, related to metro Manila, Angeles, or Cebu. I personally think that Davao, as the third most populous metropolitan area in the Philippines, similarly deserves more than just a monochromatic thread. My disclaimers, at the beginnings of each of the three reports, were an effort to alert readers that these reports pertained to food and travel generally, so that any readers not interested in food and travel would not waste their time in reading further.

To borrow a neatly-turned phrase from X-Man (in a different context in a different thread): "Since you've been around the block a few times, I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, or why. So, I'll just throw a few things out there".

My perception is that, with the appropriate mind-set, sexual opportunity in the Philippines in general, and in Davao City in particular, is not exactly rocket science, and is actually probably somewhat closer to "rolling off a log", but may take a little time and effort.

By no means am I an expert on Davao City but, based on RTFF, I would not spend too much time in searching for sexual opportunity in "hard core" bars in Davao. Instead, would look at a number of non-exclusive approaches:

1. Social media and "dating sites". This has become a preferred choice of many savvy mongers. There have been many excellent posts on this forum by others far more knowledgeable and experienced than I on this topic.

2. Personal networking. Usually productive. Including, but not necessarily limited to, PMs to other posters on this forum who have far more expertise, contacts and suggestions for Davao City.

3. "Open field" sources. The "old fashioned hands-on" approach. If you are attuned, you will pick up on saucy eye contact and sexual vibes from certain potentially interested women virtually anywhere. Restaurants, coffee shops, malls (both shop girls and pedestrians), hotels, offices, churches, clinics, and so on. Of course, not every woman, and not all the time, and not always resulting in instant gratification, but usually enough to keep a monger happily occupied if so inclined.

4. "Bring your own".

Of course, the recently imposed martial law in Mindanao will or may put all of the above into a whole different context. Other, more "traditional" venues most likely will be more productive if you are looking for sexual opportunity. It may not your best use of time to visit Davao, unless you have other business or other interests, or unless you are truly an "old hand".

Just one man's views.

OM.[/QUOTE]I appreciate you taking the time to paint the picture for me. I am very aware of Makati City, and how to make things work there, but have always paused when thinking of going to Davao.

I will say that my trips to Makati are usually characterized by 1-3 DIA or Pinalove sessions a day (usually 2) + or - a trip to Havana when I get bored. I have never had a bad time there. But I keep meeting Davao ladies on the dating sites who want me to visit, so I am curious about how easily it is to fill up the time when the dating site girls fail to show (or more commonly, fail to answer their cell phones or SMS). I am really in Makati for no other reason than P4 P, although from time to time I mange to get in a few hours of bona fide work that could justify the airfare back home.

I think that on my next trip to the Phils, I will line up a few Davao ladies and make the visit. I think I might be able to keep myself busy. The DIA girls in Davao are extraordinarily pretty.

[QUOTE=Slippery;2054411]Hahaha the closest thing I've seen resembling martial law in Davao was a fat cop at the main entrance to Abreeza yesterday who was sitting at the police desk pigging out on a huge lunch.[/QUOTE]But what you haven't seen, because it's not visible, is the absence of tourists who were flocking to Davao's more expensive hotels and restaurants from Manila almost every day. Since the declaration of martial law, the deluge has become a trickle and some local businesses are hurting, not only in Davao but in other areas of Mindanao as well. I was speaking to a friend and fellow ISG member today who lives in CDO, and he told me that the impact on tourism there has been dramatic. So no, there's no reason to be particularly fearful of coming here, but the declaration has hurt the local economy.

GE.

I don't get out and about much GE, but at the condo complex where I'm at, we're deluged with weekenders every weekend. I couldn't believe the number of people who came in last weekend. Some are still here, and others have left. I expect that the revolving door will start "wooshing" again tomorrow night (Thursday). You can't even get near the pool on weekends. Now I know why they clean it on Mondays.

I agree, from what I can see, there's no reason to be fearful of coming to Davao, but like I said, I don't get out much. That's just a matter of personal choice. Based on your remarks, if the president lifted martial law tomorrow, its ramifications might be long lasting for those who rely on the tourist industry.

The intelligence failings of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and the police allowed hundreds of jihadists from at least 14 different Islamic terrorist groups to infiltrate Marawi and stockpile enough weapons, ammunition and supplies to battle the AFP for over a month in spite regular airstrikes. That does not inspire a lot of confidence in their ability to prevent attacks in Davao, especially considering that in the case of the night market bombing the Vice Mayor received warnings two days before but decided not to inform the public.

Terrorist leaders from the Marawi siege have escaped after showing extremely strong resistance to superior numbers and firepower from the AFP. This is expected result in a large boost in the numbers of jihadists joining their ranks and the amount of funds they receive from wealthy backers in oil-rich Islamic countries. So there is a good chance that they will be back stronger and more experienced. Since they succeeded in bombing the central business district in Davao, and there is nothing to make anyone believe they cannot repeat a similar attack, many people are deciding it is not worth the risk to visit Davao unless it is necessary for a very good reason. Some people obviously don't think mongering is a good reason to visit an area under martial law and risk being caught up in a bomb blast. If they did, mongers would be flooding into Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

Keep up the good work and keep the a $$holes away. I hope they believe every word that you write CM, so keep them up in Angeles and Manila. Davao is by far the safest city that I've ever lived in, but I've only lived in 4 countries.

This stuff has had an impact on my life though. If I have to go to a mall, I go early and come back home by noon. I stay away from the Filipino markets for more reasons than just being a white guy. I just don't go out much anyway, and I've never been to a place in Davao that has liquor and girls, but I've heard that there are such places. I'm not going to those places in this political and religious environment.

Unless he met a girl online who's going to spend a weekend with him at Marco Polo, it's quite frankly, not a good monger destination. Then the guy has to spend the money on flights to and from Manila or Angeles plus hotel. Don't forget to tip the waitress either.

Living in Davao makes life so much easier, including just getting around. I rent. If the SHTF, I'm out. I learned that a long time ago the hard way. There are some very nice girls living in Davao, but their priorities are entirely different than those in the other large cities or Angeles. Been there, done that, and don't need to do it anymore. I'm a lucky bastard on a permanent vacation.

[QUOTE=Slippery;2059106]Keep up the good work and keep the a $$holes away. I hope they believe every word that you write CM, so keep them up in Angeles and Manila. Davao is by far the safest city that I've ever lived in, but I've only lived in 4 countries.

This stuff has had an impact on my life though. If I have to go to a mall, I go early and come back home by noon. I stay away from the Filipino markets for more reasons than just being a white guy. I just don't go out much anyway, and I've never been to a place in Davao that has liquor and girls, but I've heard that there are such places. I'm not going to those places in this political and religious environment.

Unless he met a girl online who's going to spend a weekend with him at Marco Polo, it's quite frankly, not a good monger destination. Then the guy has to spend the money on flights to and from Manila or Angeles plus hotel. Don't forget to tip the waitress either.

Living in Davao makes life so much easier, including just getting around. I rent. If the SHTF, I'm out. I learned that a long time ago the hard way. There are some very nice girls living in Davao, but their priorities are entirely different than those in the other large cities or Angeles. Been there, done that, and don't need to do it anymore. I'm a lucky bastard on a permanent vacation.[/QUOTE]It is good to know at least one monger is practicing common sense security precautions out there. However, the sex tourists visiting Davao are looking for places with cheap liquor and loose women. So, staying away from the places with alcohol and pussy is just not going to cut it for them on a vacation. When those guys hear that somewhere is safe, they think that it means public drunkenness and solicitation of local girls in public places is acceptable.

Take a look at the DS Davao forum. You will see that the sex tourists visiting Davao were not held in high regard. Some of the most memorable sex tourists who visited the city in the past are as follows: Leaping Larry, a straw hat and overalls wearing clodhopper; Bone Collector, a covetous old geezer with a closet full of dark secrets; and Jellyfish, an envious spineless old schemer who ratted out fellow sex tourists to their Filipinas in the hopes of getting a gratuitous shag. I doubt that Davao City is any poorer without them.

Since each person has their own tolerance for risk, what is safe will vary from person to person. Some people may argue that nowhere is truly safe now. After all, New York was safe until the planes hit the towers, so were London and Paris before Islamic terrorists attacked. Aussies thought that Bali was safe and considered it a tropical paradise until it was ripped apart by bomb blasts. Is Davao City safe? Like the Filipinas say, up to you. What we do know is that late last year a bomb blast shattered the night market in the city killing 14 people and injuring 70. Islamic terrorists carried out the bombing. These same terrorists waged a major urban battle about a 5-hour drive away in Marawi City, and put up fierce resistance for over a month against the best government troops supported with tanks, artillery and ground attack aircraft.

The last death toll for Marawi City was over 500 in total, with more expected to be discovered. The hardcore jihadist leaders managed to slip out of the city and pass through AFP lines, and some of their minions were caught as far away as Iloilo and Manila. Some were even detained with bomb-making materials. They have sworn to retaliate against Duterte by carrying out attacks on his home city of Davao. Apparently, AFP has a hard time identifying terrorists as they manage to travel quite freely. So, what chance does the average monger have in figuring out who may be a terrorist? For all he knows the taxi driver picking him up could be one, or even the girl he met online and took to his room at the Marco Polo for a nice screw. After he shoots his load, rolls over and falls asleep, she could be planting the next IED under the bed. The travel advisories concerning travel to the area are not without cause.

Keep in mind that the West is experiencing a massive surge in anti-Muslim sentiment and there is even a Muslim ban in place in the USA The American military provided logistical, intelligence, and advisory support to Philippines forces to defeat the Muslim militant coalition in Marawi. Americans are a favorite target in Mindanao, but any Western infidel falling into their reach makes the jihadists happy. Davao is not great for mongering like AC, Cebu and Manila. So, traveling there for mongering and risking being hogtied, gagged, hooded and thrown in the trunk of a taxicab for a quick drive to a waiting speedboat would appeal to only a tiny demographic of adventure mongers. These special mongers think nothing of entering countries like Iran or North Korea in search of a good root, and potential to become famous is an added bonus.

[QUOTE=Slippery;2059106]Keep up the good work and keep the a $$holes away. I hope they believe every word that you write CM, so keep them up in Angeles and Manila. Davao is by far the safest city that I've ever lived in, but I've only lived in 4 countries.

This stuff has had an impact on my life though. If I have to go to a mall, I go early and come back home by noon. I stay away from the Filipino markets for more reasons than just being a white guy. I just don't go out much anyway, and I've never been to a place in Davao that has liquor and girls, but I've heard that there are such places. I'm not going to those places in this political and religious environment.

Unless he met a girl online who's going to spend a weekend with him at Marco Polo, it's quite frankly, not a good monger destination. Then the guy has to spend the money on flights to and from Manila or Angeles plus hotel. Don't forget to tip the waitress either.

Living in Davao makes life so much easier, including just getting around. I rent. If the SHTF, I'm out. I learned that a long time ago the hard way. There are some very nice girls living in Davao, but their priorities are entirely different than those in the other large cities or Angeles. Been there, done that, and don't need to do it anymore. I'm a lucky bastard on a permanent vacation.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of this. Davao is still quite safe, though there's no doubt that tourist-dependent businesses are hurting because of martial law. Unlike Slippery, I have been to a few of the "booze and women" sites but not for several years. However, if I were still interested in that, I'the have no fear of going.

Davao is definitely not at the top of the monger destination lists. Everything is available, but some of it requires cultivation and / or knowing where to look. I still enjoy living here, and while in Davao, I never mess around, so the lack of Burgos-type or Angeles-type scenes doesn't bother me at all.

GE.

Spent a month in Davao last November. It has BY FAR the best police presence in the Philippines. In addition as the President is routinely there there is significant extra Security. Marawi city is about an 8 - 10 hour drive away, I slept there years ago, and toured the local AFP forces with a LT Col as my bodyguard.

I plan to return and to do business there, there are many nice people.

PP.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2061892]Spent a month in Davao last November. It has BY FAR the best police presence in the Philippines. In addition as the President is routinely there there is significant extra Security. Marawi city is about an 8 - 10 hour drive away, I slept there years ago, and toured the local AFP forces with a LT Col as my bodyguard.

I plan to return and to do business there, there are many nice people.

PP.[/QUOTE]Having lived in Davao for more than 15 years, I agree with you. It's generally quite safe, orderly as cities here go, and reasonably clean.

I was in Marawi several tines a few years ago, and like you, found the folks friendly and welcoming. However, from the photos I've seen recently, much of the city has been destroyed by bombs and street combat, and I think it's going to take years to rebuild. It was never much of an economic stronghold, and by now I'm guessing that a large part of the city's economy has been destroyed.

GE.

The latest bad news from Mindanao. A fire at NCCC Mall killed an estimated 37 people.



GE.

My post in the Chat Rooms Forum pretty much sums up how I approached the P2 P scene and the results.

I stayed at the Casa Leticia hotel near People's Park for P1700 per night. Its in a great location within walking distance to 7/11's, small eateries, several bar precincts. People's Park makes an easy place to describe to intended guests where you are. The rooms are a bit small and their default is two single beds so book accordingly. Wifi, aircon and hot water were all functional for the whole time I was there. Note that the other two Casa Leticias in town are in the business districts offering a lot less access to restaurants, bars etc.

I generally ate at one of the small restaurants around the hotel. However, if I wanted a western meal I would go to Mia Figlia Pasta for pasta or pizzas or De Bonte Koe for full size Dutch and western meals. Both are run by long term foreign residents who love a chat and are a wealth of local info. DBK is also a good source of diving info.

A few PMs have expressed concern about travelling to Mindanao so I want to emphasise that I felt very safe walking around Davao City at all hours. Taxis, restaurants and even girls were all very honest and I wasn't at all concerned for my safety nor wary of rip off scams.

There is an active night life and bar scene though many girls will take some time to develop before sealing the deal. Googling Hot Legs or Auto Shop Bar will give you the location of a couple of precincts within walking distance to the Leticia. I was the only foreigner anywhere when I went but never felt unwelcome nor unsafe. Civilian and working girls started to roll in about 10 pm. The one KTV I went to was expensive but had gorgeous girls. See the PG for an example. Big Boobies featured heavily.

The predominate body type for the girls was tits and asrse with big tits suspended off a light frame. I saw a few spinners but not a lot. Many also come with exceptionally pretty faces.

A note about a delightful little eatery that I "discovered" last week in just my second trip to Davao. A trusted friend had suggested it, and so I set off to find it. The cab driver didn't know the place by name but easily made his way to the location I had been told. Named "Mia Figlia Pasta" (my daughter's pasta, I think), it specializes in traditional Italian cuisine. Not the sweet banana ketchup Italian stuff that Filipinos know, but a most faithful Italian cuisine from products shipped directly from Italy. The place is small, only about a year old, but the owners (he, semi-retired American, and she, a younger Filipina) are making a profit and plan to expand into a next door business and an outside covered terrace between the shop and street. I tried from among the several marinara and pasta recipes and added a quarter chicken roasted in a traditional French rotisserie style. Both were faithful to classic European styles that you never expect to find in the Philippines--and at reasonable prices.

The American owner regaled me with his several years of Philippine experiences and acknowledged they were fighting to absorb the beating the Piso is currently suffering in exchange for the Euro. It seems their cheeses, salami, sauce ingredients and pasta come directly from Italy, and they refuse to skimp by substituting inferior products from elsewhere. They also have a selection of top notch European wines and small batches of brewed coffee, and the American owner is full of suggestions for drinks to complement the menu. It's clear they have attracted a small local clientele of sophisticated families who know how to separate the kernel from the chaff.

Highly recommended. Just tell your cab driver, "corner of Mabini and Mariner. " Not in the heart of downtown, but well worth the adventure.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2165313]A note about a delightful little eatery that I "discovered" last week in just my second trip to Davao. A trusted friend had suggested it, and so I set off to find it. The cab driver didn't know the place by name but easily made his way to the location I had been told. Named "Mia Figlia Pasta" (my daughter's pasta, I think).[/QUOTE]+1. Be prepared to loose a day just chatting with the owner.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2165374]+1. Be prepared to loose a day just chatting with the owner.[/QUOTE]LOL! Take that up with the owner. Actually, at my advanced age that's not necessarily a bad use of time.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2165492]LOL! Take that up with the owner. Actually, at my advanced age that's not necessarily a bad use of time.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify that I meant it in a positive way.

He loves a chat and is a wealth of knowledge about the area. Before you know it you have been talking for hours.

Recently returned from 4 days in Davao, stayed the first night at The Marco Polo, gave a toast to the departed Dragon Slayer, for without his forum and posts, I would have a lot less info on the city.

I left the Taxi with all my possessions while I found a money changer, as my flight was diverted en-route from KL and I got to Davao 3 hours late. He was still waiting for us on my return to pay a 500 p bill! Honesty was much appreciated.

Spent the night with jet lag being taken around by my GF, and introduced to the family, and witnessed first hand the living conditions she has. At no point did I ever feel unsafe. We went to a restaurant and a bar until quite late, great fun.

Spent 4 days and 3 Nights at Pearl Farm Beach Resort on Samal Island, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Recommended.

On the last day, hung out with the GF's family, and did the grocery shopping, by motorcycle trike and bicycle trike. As it was my first time in the Philippines, my GF wanted me to experience all it had to offer.

I would have announced my trip, but the forum move meant the lost password recovery Capture image was not working, so I was unable to post for many weeks until now.

In Davao, outside of the MP hotel, I did not see any other Western guys until I got to Pearl Farm.

I would have no issue in returning to Davao, and now I know the complexity of leaving the country I will be more relaxed and have more time.

For those of you who know the procedure, skip the next bit, it's for those of us who have never experienced leaving before.

We were flying Air Asia to JHB via KL. With Premium Tickets, so we skipped the main line and straight to the Premium Desk. Security Guard tells us we need to Pay Tourist Tax, and directed us to a counter, so we left the queue.

Went to a scrum of bodies where passports were checked, the tourist tax, apparently does not apply to Foreigners, or at least I did not have to pay it, and neither did my GF. So a waste of time.

Back to the Premium Queue, where we joined the short queue, they were not really managing it effectively, so we had to push our way in after a few others pushed in. So it was done in a slowly slowly, nice way.

Had some Seniors complain behind me, saying why is he in the line? Note the Senior and Premium Line is the same. The Security Guard pushed the Seniors back into the main line and told them to wait.

All checked in manually as the computers were down, hand written baggage tags were not a good sign, and the bags were directed to JHB which was our final destination. No need to pick them up in KL which was good.

Food choices were limited, so we had to go in the domestic side, leaving our passports with security in order to grab some food. Our passports were returned without them even checking the pictures, so I made a point of showing my picture and giving them a smile.

Now, this is where it got really interesting. My GF forgot to tell me we needed to pay an exit Tax of 700 php each, and they only accept cash. So I then had to leave the airport, find an ATM and get some cash, re-enter the airport and pay the money.

Then we got to Exit Immigration checks, where I got through easily, but my GF did not, and had to have an interview and fill out some paperwork. It was getting closer and closer to departure time.

I stood next to the Interview Desk and had to help with some of the answers and show her return ticket to Davao, how long we knew each other and where we met etc Perhaps because I had the boarding passes and passports that they felt she was being trafficked?

Or that she has no job, but is traveling.

We had given at least 2 and a half hours to get to the gate area, and had we not been able to bypass the Air Asia bag drop, we probably would not have made it.

So my advice, get to the airport around 3 hours before, on the afternoon flight out of Davao (2 pm) Make sure you have all the cash you need. Let your GF have her own papers. And most importantly, pay the extra for Premium, it's not a lot of money in the overall scheme of things.

Love the friendly people in Davao, looking forward to visiting it again soon.

Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.

[QUOTE=PBtoCobra;2213025]Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.[/QUOTE]Depends on how extravagant and expensive you want to be. Also is the celebration to be in Davao or elsewhere? Out of the country?

How romantic do you want to be?

Who is on the invite list? Her family? How many people?

What's your budget?

If all else fails, fall back to Jollibee, make sure you have Chicken and spaghetti on the menu.

[QUOTE=PBtoCobra;2213025]Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.[/QUOTE]Money is something they have never got, and rarely get their hands on. Instead of spending money on birthday cakes, drinks for relations etc, give something that will impress.

Such as a nice birthday card with some blue notes inside. Then she can buy stuff to make her day. Give her freedom to mix with parents, relations. Keep well clear, let her have fun spending that money you gave her (inside nice birthday card) with relations and friends. Following day, she will give you a fuck to remember.

[QUOTE=PBtoCobra;2213025]Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.[/QUOTE]Eagle sanctuary was pleasant, though it's probably 10 years since I went there. We're unlikely to go back to Davao anytime soon as I have no desire to tempt any kidnappers. Don't tell me I'm paranoid or there is nothing to worry about. The risk is small but has increased in recent years, and there are plenty of other places in the Philippines to go. I know a few Filipinos who chose to move north than stay in the region.

[QUOTE=Simmer;2213515]Eagle sanctuary was pleasant, though it's probably 10 years since I went there. We're unlikely to go back to Davao anytime soon as I have no desire to tempt any kidnappers. Don't tell me I'm paranoid or there is nothing to worry about. The risk is small but has increased in recent years, and there are plenty of other places in the Philippines to go. I know a few Filipinos who chose to move north than stay in the region.[/QUOTE]Good advice, especially for a newbie, who has yet to consider the 'dark side' of the Philippines, and Mindinao in particular. He would unknowingly be walking around Davao with "Soft Target" written all over him.

Like you, I have visited Davao many times, but don't go there anymore, these days.

If she is a 'must have item' , I'd send her an air ticket to Cebu, and fraternise with her there.

Ain't love grand!

[QUOTE=Simmer;2213515]Eagle sanctuary was pleasant, though it's probably 10 years since I went there. We're unlikely to go back to Davao anytime soon as I have no desire to tempt any kidnappers. Don't tell me I'm paranoid or there is nothing to worry about. The risk is small but has increased in recent years, and there are plenty of other places in the Philippines to go. I know a few Filipinos who chose to move north than stay in the region.[/QUOTE]Eagle Sanctuary is a good place, as is Eden Park, Crocodile Park, various zip line rides, and, on Samal Island (20 minute boat ride) various beach resorts. There's also now a huge variety of restaurants and clubs.

GE.

[QUOTE=PBtoCobra;2213025]Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.[/QUOTE]Get a posh hotel room, liquor, and a box of chocolates. Then celebrate her birthday filling her up with as much cream pie as you can deliver. Try to serve her 10 or more cream pies. She will love it, and always remember that particular birthday. The way to a Pinay's heart is cream pie first, followed with cash rewards. Make sure you stock up enough crme filling well in advance for her birthday cream pie surprise.

Get a posh hotel room, liquor, and a box of chocolates. Then celebrate her birthday filling her up with as much cream pie as you can deliver. Try to serve her 10 or more cream pies. She will love it, and always remember that particular birthday. The way to a Pinay's heart is cream pie first, followed with cash rewards. Make sure you stock up enough crme filling well in advance for her birthday cream pie surprise.

[QUOTE=PBtoCobra;2209482]I left the Taxi with all my possessions while I found a money changer, as my flight was diverted en-route from KL and I got to Davao 3 hours late. He was still waiting for us on my return to pay a 500 p bill! Honesty was much appreciated.

Spent the night with jet lag being taken around by my GF, and introduced to the family, and witnessed first hand the living conditions she has. At no point did I ever feel unsafe. We went to a restaurant and a bar until quite late, great fun.

Spent 4 days and 3 Nights at Pearl Farm Beach Resort on Samal Island, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Recommended.

On the last day, hung out with the GF's family, and did the grocery shopping, by motorcycle trike and bicycle trike. As it was my first time in the Philippines, my GF wanted me to experience all it had to offer.
[/QUOTE]Davao is not what it seems on the surface. It may look and feel like Sleepy Hollow. However, acts of terror like the Davao night market bombing punctuate the peaceful dreamy ambiance without warning, much like the visits of the Headless Horseman to Sleepy Hollow. Feeling safe and secure is just an emotional state that does not indicate actual security conditions. That feeling can come from being unaware of existing hidden threats or overconfidence in the ability to survive them once they present themselves. No one feels unsafe until the first bomb blast tears through a crowded public place or heavily armed terrorists reveal themselves and snatch hostages. This is the reason terrorism is a potent weapon that has psychological effects that extend far beyond the immediate space and time of the overwhelming violence involved. Terrorists choose targets where people feel safe and secure to catch them unawares and prove them wrong, which destroys their illusions that the state can protect them.

Samal Island looks like a little paradise. However, almost three years ago, 11 terrorists swarmed over the security guard at Holiday Oceanview Samal Resort in a night attack kidnapping three foreigners and a Filipina. The terrorists hustled their captives into two motorized bancas and sped off by sea. Approximately, 30 foreigners were staying at the resort at the time of the raid. The significant presence of Westerners is not an indication of safety, to the contrary, it presents a very tempting target-rich environment for terrorists looking for hostages or simply looking to inflict as much foreign casualties as possible to make an international statement in the media.

Filipinas may want their foreigner boyfriend to have the full Philippine experience, but the foreigner must know that his Filipina's risk is not anywhere as high as his risk. She is very likely to survive his kidnapping or assassination unharmed and return to her family safely. Filipino terrorist kidnappers and robbers do not place the same value on the foreigner's life although one would think so because his family and friends are much more likely to be capable of raising at least several tens of thousands of dollars for ransom than the Filipina's family. These criminals tend to avoid killing or harming their womenfolk when going after their foreign target, partly because of cultural and political reasons. Hence, when she says it is safe, it provides no assurance to her foreign companion. If a monger would not entrust his life savings to a Filipina for safekeeping, he should think very carefully about doing so with his life, especially in Mindanao and the Sulu Sea provinces.

[URL]http://cnnphilippines.com/regional/2015/09/22/3-foreigners-Filipina-kidnapped-Samal-Davao-del-Norte.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2213589]Good advice, especially for a newbie, who has yet to consider the 'dark side' of the Philippines, and Mindinao in particular. He would unknowingly be walking around Davao with "Soft Target" written all over him.

Like you, I have visited Davao many times, but don't go there anymore, these days.

If she is a 'must have item' , I'd send her an air ticket to Cebu, and fraternise with her there.

Ain't love grand![/QUOTE]Strange, the differences of opinion. I've now lived here for about 18 years, think it's likely the safest place I've ever lived and in many respects, feel it's the best place to live in the country. Given that the expat population here continues to explode exponentially, it appears that there are more than a few who agree with me. The only problem for me here is that the city is growing economically so fast that the traffic is becoming much worse year on year, and though major roadworks have been initiated, the infra improvements cannot keep pace with the city's rapid growth.

GE.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2213631]Davao is not what it seems on the surface. It may look and feel like Sleepy Hollow. However, acts of terror like the Davao night market bombing punctuate the peaceful dreamy ambiance without warning, much like the visits of the Headless Horseman to Sleepy Hollow. Feeling safe and secure is just an emotional state that does not indicate actual security conditions. That feeling can come from being unaware of existing hidden threats or overconfidence in the ability to survive them once they present themselves. [URL]http://cnnphilippines.com/regional/2015/09/22/3-foreigners-Filipina-kidnapped-Samal-Davao-del-Norte.html[/URL][/QUOTE]How true. Imagine the surprise of gay people partying at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, or the country and western concert goers in the open air in Las Vegas when gun-toting crazies cut loose. There have been so many such unexpected incidents in recent years in the states, that it sort of begs credulity to hold up Davao as an example of hidden threats. Perhaps it's safest just to stay in a mother's basement in Detroit or Newark, clacking away on a keyboard and searching the internet all day as your exclusive window on the world.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2213910]How true. Imagine the surprise of gay people partying at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, or the country and western concert goers in the open air in Las Vegas when gun-toting crazies cut loose. There have been so many such unexpected incidents in recent years in the states, that it sort of begs credulity to hold up Davao as an example of hidden threats. Perhaps it's safest just to stay in a mother's basement in Detroit or Newark, clacking away on a keyboard and searching the internet all day as your exclusive window on the world.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with your insights SS. CM don't forget to stock up on JO lotion. Best to get amazon delivery than to venture out to the local store. It's dangerous out there.

Anyway, I don't know if he is worth it lads.

He can pay for air ticket to Phils, expensive hotel, restaurants, purchases for her family and friends (all 300 of them, LOL) , but can NOT pay for ISG membership, it seems.

Personal security is number one. He would have no idea about that, other than accessing a website like ISG and the views on it here.

No such extreme violence (murder) as Soapy states has ever happened in Cebu City, thus a better town to romance her, methinks.

As CM says, flip friends do not understand the "attention" foreigners attract. Girls drawn to foreigners and criminals too.

They are all infatuated with our ability to access an ATM apparently, LOL.

There was another poster who said he accessed the ATM in the Phils, incl. Possibly a receipt indicating the withdrawal, but NO money popped out. That would be the end of your romance, if your 'squeeze' was standing next to you, at the time, LOL!

P.S. : don't let them see your numbers. I had an email from a dearly departed friend, called Ol' Joe (some of you might remember him) who, in Davao, unknowingly let his squeeze see the card numbers he punched in at the ATM. He was a sick man in final months of Parkinsons (after 30 yrs of it). Whilst he was asleep she was busy running around Davao City, emptying out his credit card.

And saying that nothing will happen in Davao is ok, but what if it does happen (again) ?. Way back, folks were blown up by a terrorist bomb outside the Davao Airport. Yeh, ancient history, but these things do happen in Muslim inhabited Mindinao. And folks should know about these things so THEY can make up their mind if they still want to visit the place. Myself, I did not give up because of danger, I stopped visiting Davao cause it was not a "sexy city". Too slow a pace, too slow everything. Suits some, but does not suit a fossil like me.

Forum is for expressing views. Nothing wrong with that, so long as newbies have access to all of them (views / opinions), LOL.

Have fun, wherever you are.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2213910]How true. Imagine the surprise of gay people partying at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, or the country and western concert goers in the open air in Las Vegas when gun-toting crazies cut loose. There have been so many such unexpected incidents in recent years in the states, that it sort of begs credulity to hold up Davao as an example of hidden threats. Perhaps it's safest just to stay in a mother's basement in Detroit or Newark, clacking away on a keyboard and searching the internet all day as your exclusive window on the world.[/QUOTE]With respect, the situation in Mindanao is an ongoing threat, or presence if you like. Orlando and Vegas (and San Bernadino which struck home as my family uses services at the very place) were the work of one or two mad people. Pretty much an anomaly as far as the victims go. Put it another way, Vegas et al could not possibly have known the sudden threat to their lives, whereas southern Mindanao is perpetually "unwise" for foreigners generally for the time being.

GoodEnough has lots of experience there so would probably have a better sense of any imminent danger than the rest of us would. I've been to Samal island several times (Pearl Farm); my wife's parents lived just north of Davao. I was well aware at the time there was a presence further southwest, but that risk has increased. That's enough for me to explore other places instead, and the in-laws don't live there anymore either nor does anybody else I know.

I doubt that anyone can point to any reliable statistics indicating that foreigners are targeted here, and I'the remind everyone that the kidnapping from the resort a couple of years ago did not occur in Davao, but on Samal. Yes, there have been intermittent acts of violence directed against other Filipinos and yes, it's possible that should such acts recur, some unlucky foreigners might get hurt or killed. However, to my knowledge, foreigners in Davao are not (and have not historically been) targets and again, I'm talking here of Davao and not other areas of Mindanao.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to visit here; in fact, there are quite enough foreigners here and it's fine with me if others decide to avoid the city. However, to avoid Davao because "something may happen" seems, as Soapy has implied, absurd. I have long-time resident, expat friends here who routinely ride jeepneys, take trikes, walk, and avoid car ownership. They feel much safer taking public transportation here than in Manila simply because the odds on getting robbed on a jeepney here are about nil, whereas in Manila it's a common occurrence. The fact is that most Davaeños I know (and I know a lot) are quite proud of the law and order reputation of their city and would likely go out of their way to assure foreign visitors of its safety.

Unlike some posters, I'm not a great advocate of Cebu. I find it noisy, traffic clogged, dirty and unenjoyable, but to each his own. During my last trip to Cebu, by the way, I was warned twice by hotel staff to remove all gold jewelry; to leave most of my cash in the hotel safe; to carry only one credit card, and not to walk very far anywhere. Why? "Lots of robbers sir. " That's an admonition one would never receive here.

A propos of nothing much, Davao is one of three major cities designated by President Duterte as developing economic hubs. Thus, lots of government money is pouring into the city for the construction of infrastructure, and the whole Davao-Gen San-CDO corridor is being transformed rapidly. Davao in particular is changing more rapidly than at any time during my tenure here: more folks with more money; more new businesses; more condos; the imminent introduction of a municipal bus service and the long-term plan to eliminate jeepneys; and a general rise in the sophistication of the population. I believe that much the same thing is happening in CDO.

GE.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2214010]P.S. : don't let them see your numbers. I had an email from a dearly departed friend, called Ol' Joe (some of you might remember him) who, in Davao, unknowingly let his squeeze see the card numbers he punched in at the ATM. He was a sick man in final months of Parkinsons (after 30 yrs of it). Whilst he was asleep she was busy running around Davao City, emptying out his credit card.

And saying that nothing will happen in Davao is ok, but what if it does happen (again) ?. Way back, folks were blown up by a terrorist bomb outside the Davao Airport. Yeh, ancient history, but these things do happen in Muslim inhabited Mindinao. And folks should know about these things so THEY can make up their mind if they still want to visit the place. Myself, I did not give up because of danger, I stopped visiting Davao cause it was not a "sexy city"..[/QUOTE]All the girls dream of catching a man like Ole Joe. When choosing a foreigner to date or marry, many Filipinas adhere to the rule of the Four M's Matandang Mayaman at Madaling Mamatay (Old, Rich, and will die soon). The more infirm the foreign boyfriend or husband the better, as he is dependent on his much young Pinay darling due to mobility issues. She knows that an elderly fellow with issues like senility and Alzheimer's disease is totally at her mercy, and she will clean him out financially without much trouble. It makes things easier for her, as a fella losing his mental sharpness is less likely to figure things out when she moves in her "brother" or "cousin" to help around the house. Except that he is actually her undercover Pinoy boyfriend, and after the old foreigner's hearing aids come out at night, the girlfriend is free to make the beast with the two backs without fear of discovery.

When considering whether to visit a place with a history of terrorist attacks, kidnappings, and ISIS fighters on the loose, individual risk appetite and tolerance will vary. The monger will have to consider if the opportunities to fuck Filipinas are better and more worthwhile than other venues in the Philippines without the same level of threats. When it comes to mongering, Davao is pretty much a backwater with very little to offer in the way of that. There is nothing unique there for a monger looking to drain his balls and get a bit of relaxation that he cannot find elsewhere.

Now, there are the "adventure tourism" fellas with a large risk appetite who are thrilled at the thought that they may be kidnapped, caught in a bomb blast, or make a guest appearance in an ISIS music video. For them, Davao and nearby Marawi are great adventure sex-tourism destinations. The other group consists of fellas with a high level of risk tolerance with not much time left on their clocks due to advanced age or terminal illness. They know more or less that the Grim Reaper will along shortly to collect them, and they no longer care for their personal safety as they already lived out most of their allotted time anyway. They may even prefer going out with a bang or having their necks shortened, instead of slowly fading away in a hospital bed. In that case, increased risk is hardly a factor. Visiting Davao to work harder to find Filipinas for a fuck than in Cebu, Manila, or Angeles City may be something on their bucket list.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2214072]However, to avoid Davao because "something may happen" The fact is that most Davaeos I know (and I know a lot) are quite proud of the law and order reputation of their city and would likely go out of their way to assure foreign visitors of its safety.

Unlike some posters, I'm not a great advocate of Cebu. I find it noisy, traffic clogged, dirty and unenjoyable, but to each his own. During my last trip to Cebu, by the way, I was warned twice by hotel staff to remove all gold jewelry; to leave most of my cash in the hotel safe; to carry only one credit card, and not to walk very far anywhere. Why? "Lots of robbers sir. " That's an admonition one would never receive here.


GE.[/QUOTE]I agree with GE and having been to Davao a few times I found the place safe and much quieter plus a range of good eateries some of which GE recommended.

The one thing GE and I disagree on is Cebu but I take the point as clearly there are more tourists there now and this gives more opportunity to snatchers. Cuties I know have been held up on jeepneys recently for example. Traffic is getting worse sadly (was never fantastic) but now rush hours is getting longer especially around Ayala and SM. Can be very messy early evening.

Let me first say, I have been reading through the forum trying to answer my own question, but I'm not sure what to think.

I'm taking a business trip to Manila in a couple of weeks which I'm looking forward to because I know Manila a tiny bit and always have a great time. However, this time I need to do a single half day meeting down in Davao, where I've never been. It'll be easy enough to fly down there for a night and have the meetings. But I always like to have a little fun along the way and that's where I'm concerned.

I am a classic white guy, late 40's, tall and slightly overweight. I live in SE Asia part time and have plenty of experience being careful, but I am getting very conflicting reports about Daveo. My biz contact there said not to go out at night, but a monger friend of mine said not worry about it. Meanwhile, the forum certainly tells me not to worry just by being in town. I'm staying at Marco Polo and will only be going to meetings in the central area, and in the morning.

But, what about at night? I have a lot to lose, so I usually stick to pricy but trusted agencies if possible, unless I'm somewhere that's lower risk like BKK or Manila. I'd sure like to have some Davao fun but I'm struggling to make a simple, safe plan that isn't going to be regrettable. Not to be inflating prices for anyone, but the truth is I have more money than time and am happy to pay for a safer, more sure-thing arrangement.

Anyways, much appreciate any opinions or input thank you!!

[QUOTE=KenDavis03;2214824]I am a classic white guy, late 40's, tall and slightly overweight. I live in SE Asia part time and have plenty of experience being careful, but I am getting very conflicting reports about Daveo. My biz contact there said not to go out at night, but a monger friend of mine said not worry about it. Meanwhile, the forum certainly tells me not to worry just by being in town. I'm staying at Marco Polo and will only be going to meetings in the central area, and in the morning.

But, what about at night? I have a lot to lose, so I usually stick to pricy but trusted agencies if possible, unless I'm somewhere that's lower risk like BKK or Manila. I'd sure like to have some Davao fun but I'm struggling to make a simple, safe plan that isn't going to be regrettable. Not to be inflating prices for anyone, but the truth is I have more money than time and am happy to pay for a safer, more sure-thing arrangement.

Anyways, much appreciate any opinions or input thank you!![/QUOTE]I like to think I'm also reasonably street wise without being suicidal and earlier this year I was perfectly comfortable walking around the inner city at any time day or night. I was staying close to the Marco Polo.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2149953]A few PMs have expressed concern about travelling to Mindanao so I want to emphasise that I felt very safe walking around Davao City at all hours. Taxis, restaurants and even girls were all very honest and I wasn't at all concerned for my safety nor wary of rip off scams.

There is an active night life and bar scene though many girls will take some time to develop before sealing the deal. Googling Hot Legs or Auto Shop Bar will give you the location of a couple of precincts within walking distance to the Leticia. I was the only foreigner anywhere when I went but never felt unwelcome nor unsafe. Civilian and working girls started to roll in about 10 pm. The one KTV I went to was expensive but had gorgeous girls. See the PG for an example. Big Boobies featured heavily.

The predominate body type for the girls was tits and asrse with big tits suspended off a light frame. I saw a few spinners but not a lot. Many also come with exceptionally pretty faces.[/QUOTE]If you want a safe and certain option where price is not the determining factor, try the KTVs in town.

These came from ET KTV:

[QUOTE=Goferring;2148861]I came across this flat chested lass in Davao.

Swore that she was the smallest of her sisters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KenDavis03;2214824]But, what about at night? I have a lot to lose, so I usually stick to pricy but trusted agencies if possible, unless I'm somewhere that's lower risk like BKK or Manila. I'd sure like to have some Davao fun but I'm struggling to make a simple, safe plan that isn't going to be regrettable. Not to be inflating prices for anyone, but the truth is I have more money than time and am happy to pay for a safer, more sure-thing arrangement.

Anyways, much appreciate any opinions or input thank you!![/QUOTE]Davao is a great place to visit, safe and friendly if a tad more conservative in some area IMHO and it is not like Burgos where I think you have more chance of being mugged in broad daylight then Davao.

Go visit, you are in a nice hotel where I have stayed before and is very comfy and safe.

Just research the girl to make sure she will come on time do as all agreed and stays as agreed. For that that has taken time and effort as well as caused angst in the past LOL.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2214989]Davao is a great place to visit, safe and friendly if a tad more conservative in some area IMHO and it is not like Burgos where I think you have more chance of being mugged in broad daylight then Davao.

Go visit, you are in a nice hotel where I have stayed before and is very comfy and safe.

Just research the girl to make sure she will come on time do as all agreed and stays as agreed. For that that has taken time and effort as well as caused angst in the past LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks that's very positive info. I would love to research a girl, but I was thinking I would have to go out and find one. You said 'come on time and stays as agreed' - is there a service or something you are referring to? Thanks!

[QUOTE=KenDavis03;2214824]Let me first say, I have been reading through the forum trying to answer my own question, but I'm not sure what to think.

I'm taking a business trip to Manila in a couple of weeks which I'm looking forward to because I know Manila a tiny bit and always have a great time. However, this time I need to do a single half day meeting down in Davao, where I've never been. It'll be easy enough to fly down there for a night and have the meetings. But I always like to have a little fun along the way and that's where I'm concerned.

I am a classic white guy, late 40's, tall and slightly overweight. I live in SE Asia part time and have plenty of experience being careful, but I am getting very conflicting reports about Daveo. My biz contact there said not to go out at night, but a monger friend of mine said not worry about it. Meanwhile, the forum certainly tells me not to worry just by being in town. I'm staying at Marco Polo and will only be going to meetings in the central area, and in the morning.

But, what about at night? I have a lot to lose, so I usually stick to pricy but trusted agencies if possible, unless I'm somewhere that's lower risk like BKK or Manila. I'd sure like to have some Davao fun but I'm struggling to make a simple, safe plan that isn't going to be regrettable. Not to be inflating prices for anyone, but the truth is I have more money than time and am happy to pay for a safer, more sure-thing arrangement.

Anyways, much appreciate any opinions or input thank you!![/QUOTE]You have 2 different risk factors.

One is risk of criminal elements and or kidnappers. Most if not all experienced travelers to Davao will tell you Davao is safer than Manila and other PH cities you have been to. No worries here unless you increase your risk by stupidity.

I believe your real concern is the riskiness of finding some bed action. You have a lot to lose therefore you must use your big brain instead if the little one. You will need a middleman to provide you, which possibly may be slim out there. After all Davao is not know for pnp. I suggest you might ask a doorman for a referral and interview her over a cup of coffee before going to your room. If she doesn't pass your interview then just pay her something plus her transport and on to the next one. If someone sees you having coffee with a girl, you can just she was a friend of a friend asking about any jobs in Manila and you were just helping her out.

Your big mistake will be taking advice from people here who are not and never will be in your shoes.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2213979]Totally agree with your insights SS. CM don't forget to stock up on JO lotion. Best to get amazon delivery than to venture out to the local store. It's dangerous out there.[/QUOTE]Are you not afraid to open the door for the delivery guy?

I always get a laugh at the American culture of fear. They are afraid of just about every country. (I met a Canadian Customs guy once who said it was common for Americans to come to Canada with handguns because of the threat of hostile Indians and polar bears.) and yet they live in what is arguably the most dangerous country in the developed world.

Common sense will take you just about everywhere in the world safely, this is from a guy who spent 9 years in Afghanistan and visited 25 out of 33 provinces, stayed in local villages with the local headman etc.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2215616]Are you not afraid to open the door for the delivery guy?

I always get a laugh at the American culture of fear. They are afraid of just about every country. (I met a Canadian Customs guy once who said it was common for Americans to come to Canada with handguns because of the threat of hostile Indians and polar bears.) and yet they live in what is arguably the most dangerous country in the developed world.

Common sense will take you just about everywhere in the world safely, this is from a guy who spent 9 years in Afghanistan and visited 25 out of 33 provinces, stayed in local villages with the local headman etc.[/QUOTE]I am not afraid to open the front door. I think you missed my point.

Common sense with street smarts will keep you alive and safe longer.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2215616]Are you not afraid to open the door for the delivery guy?

I always get a laugh at the American culture of fear. They are afraid of just about every country. (I met a Canadian Customs guy once who said it was common for Americans to come to Canada with handguns because of the threat of hostile Indians and polar bears.) and yet they live in what is arguably the most dangerous country in the developed world.

[/QUOTE]Kabul Guy, I'the love to buy you a beer. If you're ever in Davao, please feel free to collect on that offer. The timorousness of some people amazes me. I understand taking reasonable precautions, but to extend this climate of fear to Davao seems absurd, given the reality on the ground.

I worked in Mozambique at the end of the civil war, and in S. Sudan during continued hostilities. In both cases, I drove around the country, schmoozed with the locals, took reasonable precautions, and emerged unscathed. I've trekked through the jungles in Basilan with the leaders of small, isolated towns and am the richer for it, and worked in Tajikistan shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union, with thugs in black leather jacket carrying automatic weapons on most corners, and I had a great time. Living under a blanket of fear must be debilitating.

Having lived and / or worked sporadically in 57 countries during my career, I can state unequivocally that I believe Davao to be the safest place I've ever lived. I have no personal stake in convincing others to come here, and my attitude is one of indifference. But I do encourage those who want to come not to succumb to irrational, and baseless fear. Finally, though Davao's "scene" isn't quite as overt as those in Manila or Cebu, it's not a hidden secret either, and it's very easy to find.

GE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2215627]I am not afraid to open the front door. I think you missed my point.[/QUOTE]I think KG did get your point, and he was piling on sarcasm.

I take Simmer's point that there is a long history of hostility in Miindanao, some of it has targeted Davao, and we should therefore be cautious in traveling there. To me the point is that, because we know the source of the threat, it is possible to take precautions accordingly. The same would be true for GE's experiences in Basilan, South Sudan, and Tajikistan. Presumably he and others operated with a sense of caution. My own experience has been that the government security checkpoints for anybody entering Davao by land are quite thorough. I take GE's conclusion that Davao has become relatively safer.

But sometimes the source of threat is less predictable. The most lethal terrorist attack in the Philippines occurred on the SuperFerry 14, one hour after it left the Port of Manila on February 27,2004. 116 people died from a bomb blast originating in a television left on board by a terrorist who left the ferry before it departed. But should any of this make us afraid to open the door to accept the Amazon package delivery? I think the rewards for venturing out are just too great.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2215854]My own experience has been that the government security checkpoints for anybody entering Davao by land are quite thorough. I take GE's conclusion that Davao has become relatively safer.[/QUOTE]I wasn't aware of the checkpoints. That information does ease my concerns a little.

I've certainly been to places where I've not felt safe at all. A wrong turn in New Orleans. A beachfront encounter in Rio de Janeiro (saved by a friend who spoke Portuguese and overheard would-be muggers). A little uneasy in Tijuana. Suspicious jostling in the markets of Istanbul. Etc.

But generally in the Philippines I've felt fairly safe, even when the locals say "you're crazy to walk around there by yourself. Kuya will go with you". But random attacks are possible virtually anywhere, whether Vegas or Manila, and we can do nothing about those so should not worry about them otherwise fear wins.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2215854]The same would be true for GE's experiences in Basilan, South Sudan, and Tajikistan. Presumably he and others operated with a sense of caution. My own experience has been that the government security checkpoints for anybody entering Davao by land are quite thorough. I take GE's conclusion that Davao has become relatively safer.
[/QUOTE]The police presence on the streets here has increased rather dramatically lately, and there are also checkpoints on many of the major roads. For reasons I don't really understand, most of the checkpoints focus on motorcycles, and tend to leave the drivers of four wheel vehicles alone. Davao police have also been equipped over the past 6 months with quite modern Mitsubishi police cars, and their presence is ubiquitous, which I find pretty reassuring. In my part of town at least, one is never very far from a police car, often parked in the same spot every day. This makes finding police assistance a relatively simple matter.

As others have said, the potential for danger in one guise or another lurks around the corner in every country on earth and in that respect I suppose, Davao is no different from anyplace else.

GE.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2215854]I take Simmer's point that there is a long history of hostility in Miindanao, some of it has targeted Davao, and we should therefore be cautious in traveling there. To me the point is that, because we know the source of the threat, it is possible to take precautions accordingly. The same would be true for GE's experiences in Basilan, South Sudan, and Tajikistan. Presumably he and others operated with a sense of caution. My own experience has been that the government security checkpoints for anybody entering Davao by land are quite thorough. I take GE's conclusion that Davao has become relatively safer.

But sometimes the source of threat is less predictable. The most lethal terrorist attack in the Philippines occurred on the SuperFerry 14, one hour after it left the Port of Manila on February 27,2004. 116 people died from a bomb blast originating in a television left on board by a terrorist who left the ferry before it departed. But should any of this make us afraid to open the door to accept the Amazon package delivery? I think the rewards for venturing out are just too great.[/QUOTE]I was 6 weeks ago with my ozamis girffriend in Davao City, 3 nites.

I did not see Anny checkpoints.

I did not see Anny police we walked about 1500 m in all directions.

There was never a curfew (so I cancelled a few flights to davao for nothing after Marawi).

And They even let me for the first time in my life in with my girlfriend in hotlegs in Palma Gil!

Hotlegs on Inigo is turned in a male dancing bar.

The males much better than on mactan Island but we where not in the mood.

So I don't understand the remarks made here.

The bikini bars where almost empty (that's why they let me in).

I don't understand that cause it are pinoy oriented bars.

Most bars even get outside coke for us.

A miracle for red horse bars!

[QUOTE=Retgilpo;2216721]I was 6 weeks ago with my ozamis girffriend in Davao City, 3 nites.

I did not see Any ............................. So I don't understand the remarks made here.

......................The bikini bars where almost empty (that's why they let me in).[/QUOTE]Nice to get a report from someone who has actually in Davao very recently.

It seems some of the armchair experts and residents of Davao have got it wrong.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2217565]Nice to get a report from someone who has actually in Davao very recently.

It seems some of the armchair experts and residents of Davao have got it wrong.[/QUOTE]Nope. We didn't get it wrong. Checkpoints are strung out along major approaches into the city, and as of yesterday were still there; at least on MacArthur Highway. Stationery police cars are still there as well, strung out along Torres St and Circumferential Road every day and every night. Even better, the KTVs, where (my opinion) one finds the best looking P4 P girls are flourishing and entry is not a problem.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2216232]The police presence on the streets here has increased rather dramatically lately, and there are also checkpoints on many of the major roads.[/QUOTE]Doesn't the fact that the police presence "has increased rather dramatically lately", with "checkpoints on many of the major roads" point to a perceived imminent increased threat of some type to the previously peaceful law and order situation?

My experience of living in Davao some 16 years ago was of a peaceful town with very few police visible anywhere.

I would be alarmed if this has now changed. A dramatic increase of police presence on the streets anywhere in the Philippines is not reassuring for me.

[QUOTE=Retgilpo;2216721]I was 6 weeks ago with my ozamis girffriend in Davao City, 3 nites.

I did not see Any checkpoints.

I did not see Any police we walked about 1500 m in all directions.

There was never a curfew (so I cancelled a few flights to davao for nothing after Marawi).

And they even let me for the first time in my life in with my girlfriend in Hotlegs in Palma Gil!

Hotlegs on Inigo is turned into a male dancing bar.

The males much better than on mactan Island but we where not in the mood.

So I don't understand the remarks made here.

The bikini bars were almost empty (that's why they let me in).

I don't understand that cause it are pinoy oriented bars.

Most bars even get outside coke for us.

A miracle for red horse bars![/QUOTE]I will go with Retgilpo's report rather than some others, who have a reason for promoting Davao.

If a town is popular for our hobby, there will be a lot of posts on that towns thread. Nothing much 'sexy' on this Davao thread, LOL.

Go Retgilpo, go!

I never like increase in police, military or any other gun toting groups. You can get caught in the crossfire. Or something already hit the fan and they are closing the barn door. One of my regulars wants me to visit her in Davao. I politely declined. If it stops raining so much, I might arrange a beach trip.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2217661]I would be alarmed if this has now changed. A dramatic increase of police presence on the streets anywhere in the Philippines is not reassuring for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2217661]Doesn't the fact that the police presence "has increased rather dramatically lately", with "checkpoints on many of the major roads" point to a perceived imminent increased threat of some type to the previously peaceful law and order situation?

My experience of living in Davao some 16 years ago was of a peaceful town with very few police visible anywhere.

I would be alarmed if this has now changed. A dramatic increase of police presence on the streets anywhere in the Philippines is not reassuring for me.[/QUOTE]I can't point to a specific threat, and the general ambience of the city remains unchanged; it's calm, peaceful, and there's been no interruption of most daily routines. I don't know the reason for the increased presence, except that there was a huge donation by a foreign donor several months ago that allowed the police assigned to Davao to purchase scads of additional vehicles, and for all I know other equipment as well. The police don't appear to be hassling anyone, and there's no obvious presence of heavily armed army / police on foot anywhere. So nothing appears obvious or imminent. The visibility of cops in cars however has increased quite a bit.

As to the notion of "promoting Davao," I'm not the Davao Chamber of Commerce, and as I said before, am totally indifferent to whether guys here decide to come or not. My only point was to stress that Davao remains peaceful, safe and pretty much as RK knew it when he lived here, albeit with lots more traffic.

Finally, since the election of Duterte, there's been a huge increase in domestic tourism to Davao. The number of international conferences, that may once have been held by default in Manila, has also increased. This may have something to do with the increases in police capability.

GE.

Never have gone wrong with GE's info.

Earlier this month I flew out of Clark. I took a Grab car to the airport, the driver stopped dead at the airport security checkpoint and the security officer flipped thru a binder. In the binder were pages of approved drivers with their photos. The officer found the drivers photo / info and then waved him thru. I had never seen this before. I guess there is enhanced security now.

I was in another small city and noticed a number of new suv police cars. Very nice new vehicles parked in the same spot for the few days while I was there. I was a little puzzled as to where in the budget did they have the money for these cars. Later on I asked my friend how did they get the new police cars? She said people had donated money for the cars. She knew one of the donors who paid for 2 cars and that was why the 2 cars and police officers were always parked in front of his business 24/7!

Funny thing was the police department didn't have any money to put gas in the cars! Part of the reason why the cars never moved anywhere. To this donor's chagrin, they would hit him up weekly for gas money!

I have no idea if this was part of a push for enhanced security or not but there are brand new suv police vehicles.

I always liked the French motorcycle police running around in a group with machine guns slung over their backs. Have not seen it in a while but it is pretty intimidating. Worse is I saw a cop in the US who was probably ex military. He had armaments strapped to both thighs, boots, and muscles stretching his shirt sleeves.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2217916]Never have gone wrong with GE's info..[/QUOTE]

I'll be travelling with a cherry boy next month who happens to be Jewish. He was asking me if I knew of any synagogues or Jewish groups either in Angeles City or Davao. I am aware of the Bagelboys organization in Angeles City however I can't find any groups in Davao. I hope somebody knows the answer to this.

Well, FWIW, late Tuesday 2018 Aug 28, according to the news, there was an IS responsible bombing in Isulan. From the map, it looks like it is 3-4 hours from Davao. I assume it was a softer target aimed at a festival.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;2220071]I'll be travelling with a cherry boy next month who happens to be Jewish. He was asking me if I knew of any synagogues or Jewish groups either in Angeles City or Davao. I am aware of the Bagelboys organization in Angeles City however I can't find any groups in Davao. I hope somebody knows the answer to this.[/QUOTE]I'm reasonably sure there are no Jewish organizations here. There's a synagogue with a congregation that's been around since the end of WW II in Manila, but I'm not aware of any ethnic-based groups here. There's probably more I could say but do not wish to do so in a public forum. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss this further.

GE.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;2220071]I'll be travelling with a cherry boy next month who happens to be Jewish. He was asking me if I knew of any synagogues or Jewish groups either in Angeles City or Davao. I am aware of the Bagelboys organization in Angeles City however I can't find any groups in Davao. I hope somebody knows the answer to this.[/QUOTE]I am afraid that your friend will be like a wildebeest visiting a watering hole in the Serengeti surrounded by a gauntlet of hungry lions and filled with starving Nile crocodiles. LOL! I would only recommend it if he is hell bent on ticking off the last box on his bucket list.

ISIS beheaded every non-Muslim they found in Marawi. Your buddy should take this into consideration before traveling to pop his cherry in Mindanao. However, many claim Davao is safe. If your friend wears his yarmulke around Davao for a week and makes it out unscathed, I will consider that strong evidence that the city is safe.

Vat, he challenged or something? Try.

YHWH Worshippers, Inc.

Block 8 Lot 7 Farland Extension, Talomo, Davao City, Davao del Sur, Philippines.

Plenty shiksa around but there he will be grade a+++ meat.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;2220071]I'll be travelling with a cherry boy next month who happens to be Jewish. He was asking me if I knew of any synagogues or Jewish groups either in Angeles City or Davao. I am aware of the Bagelboys organization in Angeles City however I can't find any groups in Davao. I hope somebody knows the answer to this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2220264]I am afraid that your friend will be like a wildebeest visiting a watering hole in the Serengeti surrounded by a gauntlet of hungry lions and filled with starving Nile crocodiles. LOL! I would only recommend it if he is hell bent on ticking off the last box on his bucket list.

ISIS beheaded every non-Muslim they found in Marawi. Your buddy should take this into consideration before traveling to pop his cherry in Mindanao. However, many claim Davao is safe. If your friend wears his yarmulke around Davao for a week and makes it out unscathed, I will consider that strong evidence that the city is safe.[/QUOTE]That is interesting news CM. I know there is a fair amount of anti-Semitism throughout the world today but I had no idea it also existed in Davao. I remember it was touted many times on this board as a mini mongers paradise and nobody likes to monger as much as a member of the tribe. I've told my buddy to cross off Davao from his list and focus on AC. He's already reached out to the Bagleboys in AC and he plans on meeting up with them while he's there.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2220264]I am afraid that your friend will be like a wildebeest visiting a watering hole in the Serengeti surrounded by a gauntlet of hungry lions and filled with starving Nile crocodiles. LOL! I would only recommend it if he is hell bent on ticking off the last box on his bucket list.

ISIS beheaded every non-Muslim they found in Marawi. Your buddy should take this into consideration before traveling to pop his cherry in Mindanao. However, many claim Davao is safe. If your friend wears his yarmulke around Davao for a week and makes it out unscathed, I will consider that strong evidence that the city is safe.[/QUOTE]The usual nonsense from this guy. Your friend would be perfect safe, though no one here would likely know what a yarmulke is. I doubt that CM has ever been to Davao, as his perceptions are so nonsensical they sound like something emanating from the mouth of Donald Trump. The only relevant fact for your buddy is that there's no Jewish identity here; no hostility, no animus at all, just no knowledge.

GE.

Oh. Second bomb went off in Isulan Sunday 2 September 2018. Also check point on nearby island hit by a truck bomb earlier. But all far from Davao. So Davao is not hit.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2220153]Well, FWIW, late Tuesday 2018 Aug 28, according to the news, there was an IS responsible bombing in Isulan. From the map, it looks like it is 3-4 hours from Davao. I assume it was a softer target aimed at a festival.[/QUOTE]

I would happily go back to Davao, I did not see any of the scare mongering issues when I was there, and my GF lives in a pretty run down area. We also went out to bars late at night. I know how to assess risk, and avoid places I don't feel comfortable with.

At no point did I feel unsafe.

My GF would prefer to go somewhere new for her birthday celebration. So we will probably select somewhere else, and she can fly solo from Davao.

Thanks to everyone who suggested locations to visit in Davao. , I will be sure to check some out when I return at some point.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;2220366]That is interesting news CM. I know there is a fair amount of anti-Semitism throughout the world today but I had no idea it also existed in Davao. I remember it was touted many times on this board as a mini mongers paradise and nobody likes to monger as much as a member of the tribe. I've told my buddy to cross off Davao from his list and focus on AC. He's already reached out to the Bagleboys in AC and he plans on meeting up with them while he's there.[/QUOTE]Angeles City is a wise choice for your friend. While a handful of mongers claim that they did not "feel unsafe" or that they "felt safe" in Davao City, your friend likely does not wish to risk his neck based solely on the personal feelings of his fellow sex tourism enthusiasts visiting or residing in Davao City.

Regardless of subjective feelings, the fact remains that the consulates and intelligence agencies of all of NATO member countries warn their citizens against traveling to Mindanao, including Davao City. This upsets those with property, business, and familial ties to Davao City. It is human nature for people to look out for their own interests. However, the facts do not lie.

Davao City remains in a state of high alert since it suffered the Roxas Night Market bombing in September 2016, which killed 14 people. Davao City has experienced a total of 8 major bombings with a combined toll of 73 people killed and 551 injured. Many of these bombings were coordinated with bombings in other locations. Therefore, bombings elsewhere may signal increased risk of an impending bomb attack within Davao City itself and one should disregard such bomb attacks simply based on the distance away from Davao.

Some of the major bombings in Davao City:

March 4, 2003, Tuesday.

Unidentified men used an improvised explosive device to bomb the waiting area at the old Davao International Airport terminal, killing 22 people and wounding 155 others.

April 3, 2003, Thursday.

Barely a month after the Davao airport bombing, another powerful bomb exploded, this time at the entrance of Sasa Wharf.

The incident, which the government blamed on the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), killed 16 people, including 4 policemen and a nun, and injured 46.

February 14,2005, Monday.

At around 6 pm, an improvised explosive device (IED) exploded at the Davao City Overland Transport Terminal (DCOTT). The incident killed a 12-year-old boy and left 5 others wounded.

The DCOTT bombing occurred almost simultaneously with the bombings in the cities of Makati and General Santos.

September 13,2013, Tuesday.

At around 9 pm, two simultaneous explosions rocked movie theaters at SM City in Ecoland and Gaisano Mall of Davao in Bajada.

No fatalities. A handful of moviegoers sustained minor injuries.

This followed explosions in Cagayan de Oro City and Cotabato City in July of the same year.

[QUOTE=PBtoCobra;2220595]I would happily go back to Davao, I did not see any of the scare mongering issues when I was there, and my GF lives in a pretty run down area. We also went out to bars late at night. I know how to assess risk, and avoid places I don't feel comfortable with.

At no point did I feel unsafe.
.[/QUOTE]If your giving out your opinion on the safety of a city you should also mention your ethnicity and your basic age, height and weight so that others can judge if they match up to your appearance. Someone well over 6 feet tall of any color will easily stand out from the crowd and might have higher risks than someone of shorter stature with the same skin color of the local population.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221094]If your giving out your opinion on the safety of a city you should also mention your ethnicity and your basic age, height and weight so that others can judge if they match up to your appearance. Someone well over 6 feet tall of any color will easily stand out from the crowd and might have higher risks than someone of shorter stature with the same skin color of the local population.[/QUOTE]Is this a joke?

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2221147]Is this a joke?

GE.[/QUOTE]Not at all. Some people blend into some places better than others. If you look middle eastern then many middle eastern cities are safe for you. If you stand out in the crowd then the risks go up. That's all I am saying. Guy comes on and says Daveo's is perfectly safe I'd have to ask him if he stands out in a crowd of Daveo'ans. I'm 6'6" and weigh 270 lbs, do you think I'd be able to walk down the street in Daveo and not stand out? Now a guy standing 5'6" with similar skin color of the local population might not get a second glance, for all I know he's the one telling me Daveo is a safe place.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2220815]

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March 4, 2003, Tuesday.

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April 3, 2003, Thursday.

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February 14,2005, Monday.

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September 13,2013, Tuesday.

.......[/QUOTE]Two examples 15 years old.

One 13 years old and the newest will be 5 years old next week.

Ancient history is not a good indicator of conditions today. That is like saying that it will rain in Cebu today because Yolanda went through there a few years ago.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221167]Not at all. Some people blend into some places better than others. If you look middle eastern then many middle eastern cities are safe for you. If you stand out in the crowd then the risks go up. That's all I am saying. Guy comes on and says Daveo's is perfectly safe I'd have to ask him if he stands out in a crowd of Daveo'ans. I'm 6'6" and weigh 270 lbs, do you think I'd be able to walk down the street in Daveo and not stand out? Now a guy standing 5'6" with similar skin color of the local population might not get a second glance, for all I know he's the one telling me Daveo is a safe place.[/QUOTE]I am big and chunky like you Breadman and I have no issues with Davao. Is safe is clean and a nice place to be. I walk around everywhere and no one bothers me. FYI tall big white guys are everywhere in the Philippines and in much smaller places than Davao.

So if you are worried stick to western destinations, never travel to the Middle East, Asia, Africa or South America. Stay in the panhandles of the USA is my best suggestion. That way you will always blend in with the locals.

I have been all the world and never encountered issues even in riots in Pakistan. So as GE said you must be joking or seriously lacking in self confidence.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221167]Not at all. Some people blend into some places better than others. If you look middle eastern then many middle eastern cities are safe for you. If you stand out in the crowd then the risks go up. That's all I am saying. Guy comes on and says Daveo's is perfectly safe I'd have to ask him if he stands out in a crowd of Daveo'ans. I'm 6'6" and weigh 270 lbs, do you think I'd be able to walk down the street in Daveo and not stand out? Now a guy standing 5'6" with similar skin color of the local population might not get a second glance, for all I know he's the one telling me Daveo is a safe place.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. I'm about the same height as most Filipino men, now in my 7th decade, and white. And, I've lived here quite happily for about 17 years, and feel, among th dozens of countries / cities in which I've lived and worked, this is the safest I've ever felt.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2221214]Fair enough. I'm about the same height as most Filipino men, now in my 7th decade, and white. And, I've lived here quite happily for about 17 years, and feel, among th dozens of countries / cities in which I've lived and worked, this is the safest I've ever felt.

GE.[/QUOTE]I will put my 2 cents in.

I have travelled all over the world including some considered dangerous. Rule of thumb is no walking the streets after 10 pm unless you are with a crowd. Definitely not while you are drunk. Take taxi if you have urge to hit the clubs. Once you get a girl she being local will protect you or at least bad guys will think you are married to a local and will not bother you. Standing out in a crowd happens all the time especially these days of intermingling of races and ethnicities.

You are safe in confines of the hotel. If you want to meet a girl ask her to come and meet you at the hotel bar and tell her to wear decent clothes. Philippines girls in spite of being told do not like to dress up. They are happy in their jeans. Many do not have a dress. I make it a point to buy them nice dresses to take them to upscale bars and restaurants.

Generally all the people of the world are nice and not indiscriminate killers, robbers, pickpockets. It is only very very small fraction of the society who for one reason or another want to hurt people. Unfortunately if you happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time you will be the victim.

There she blows! There she blows! A hump like a snow-hill! It is Moby Dick!

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221167]I'm 6'6" and weigh 270 lbs, do you think I'd be able to walk down the street in Daveo and not stand out?[/QUOTE]There are several posts on safety in the South / Latin America threads I pretty much have done the same thing over the years. Mostly from just picking it up when in not safe areas. The tribe usually has great safety measures. Hence my suggestions.

I have had many sexual encounters in Davao. I actually got into a mini row on the hooker strip as I thought a kid had picked my pocket. Some loud mouth aggressively told me such things do not happen in Davao. , And nor do they normally because the ex Mayor had death squads that kept down repeat offender numbers. With a minimum of effort and a low profile attitude, Davao is as safe as it gets and much better than Korea town aka Pampanga.

With earlier posts about Jews and 6'6" giants, there are two related issues. If you wish to go and enjoy Davao, you will haven no problems, only kids laughing at your giraffe status, which is fine, more so if you laugh back. Why some Jews or others feel the world and Davao have to salam to them is a different matter. Most of them could not name the current Pope, never mind argue about Judaism. Of course, if you go around attracting needless attention to your religion.

On that matter, last time I flew from Clark to Davao there were ISIS supporters in the seats ahead of me in the waiting room, some Pinoy others ME Arabs, showing each other Allah Akhbar videos. Every time I have gone through Manila airport, I have noted the hordes of Muslim Pinays ME bound. To believe many of them have not been radicalised is silly. Indeed, ISIS are increasingly relocating to SE Asia.

Leaving big mouths to one side, the most dangerous place in Davao is probably the bus station.

Chocha Monger is informed on what he writes. One has to weigh up what he and others say and act accordingly. Low profile is always best.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221094]If your giving out your opinion on the safety of a city you should also mention your ethnicity and your basic age, height and weight so that others can judge if they match up to your appearance. Someone well over 6 feet tall of any color will easily stand out from the crowd and might have higher risks than someone of shorter stature with the same skin color of the local population.[/QUOTE]I am 5'8", 80 Kgs and White European. Not tall by any means, and I was accompanied by my GF all the while. I know how to blend in and not stick out, I also tend to dress in accordance to where I am, so in a formal environment or casual, I dress to blend in.

I was there in July 2018, and am only reporting my experience.

I have been to Indonesia and was in the Jakarta Marriott 2 days before it blew up, we were advised when we got there to not go out in the evening due to local activity. We ignored that advice and had a very nice meal without incident. Having lived with terrorism in the country I live in, I don't let it generally stop what I want to do, but if I go to an area I feel uncomfortable I leave immediately.

I've been to places in the US where I felt just like that and left. These un-advisable areas exist in many places in the world.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2221193]Two examples 15 years old.

One 13 years old and the newest will be 5 years old next week.

Ancient history is not a good indicator of conditions today. That is like saying that it will rain in Cebu today because Yolanda went through there a few years ago.[/QUOTE]Based on CM research and intelligence we should all avoid, Honolulu, New York, Florida, any and all high schools, Guam, Hiroshima and on and on and on. Also don't ever cross the street! Based on his intelligence we should avoid all of Philippines, never know when we might be caught up in an invasion.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2221535]Based on CM research and intelligence we should all avoid, Honolulu, New York, Florida, any and all high schools, Guam, Hiroshima and on and on and on. Also don't ever cross the street! Based on his intelligence we should avoid all of Philippines, never know when we might be caught up in an invasion.[/QUOTE]Life goes on in Davao as it pretty much always has since I've been there; placidly, peacefully and calmly. No one seems at all bothered by the increased police presence, and no one seems overly concerned about impending disaster. One thing I did forget to point out is that, since the election of Duterte, Davao's access roads are being improved at a fast and furious rate, as are many of the city's bridges.

I doubt my words of reassurance will have any impact. Those who live timorously will continue to do so, and will continue the fruitless search for places where they're always safe all of the time. I'm in Makati for a couple of days, and I find I'm much more presently cautious here than I ever would be in Davao, and again it's a place I know reasonably well.

GE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2221535]Based on CM research and intelligence we should all avoid, Honolulu, New York, Florida, any and all high schools, Guam, Hiroshima and on and on and on. Also don't ever cross the street! Based on his intelligence we should avoid all of Philippines, never know when we might be caught up in an invasion.[/QUOTE]Dg, in previous posts you have suggested that CM is actually holed up in his (or her) mother's basement in Newark or Detroit, tapping, drooling and masturbating over a keyboard. I confess to having joined that bandwagon in the recent past. But now I am toying with an alternative explanation: CM, and perhaps PM as well, are actually students or former students working for Russia's Cozy Bear troll factory in St. Petersburg.

It is often suggested that St. Petersburg State University and St. Petersburg's ITMO University, known to be among the world's top IT universities, have provided many of the most proficient trolls for Cozy Bear. A principal Cozy Bear strategy is to spread dissension among competing causes and identity groups, thereby exploiting the freedom of expression that is typical of the U.S. and other Western democracies. Doing so among the rank-and-file of ISG's participants--who originate from various different countries--seems a particularly clever tactic. And imagine the stealthy effectiveness of doing so under usernames that appear to connote African-American or Hispanic identities.

Messages aimed at maligning Filipinas' motives and mongers' gullibility, and attempting to pit the latter against the former, would seem to be obvious and convenient tacks. Similarly, stirring up fear for prospective Western travelers to the Philippines and posting comments that insult both Jews and Muslims would be consistent with Cozy Bear's operations.

Your thoughts?

[URL]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tracing-the-sources-of-today-rsquo-s-russian-cyberthreat/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.thenation.com/article/will-mueller-indict-russians-over-the-dnc-hacking-next/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-academic-trawling-facebook-had-links-to-russian-university[/URL]

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7[/URL]

[URL]https://gcn.com/Articles/2017/08/17/Russian-hackers.aspx?Page=3[/URL]

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2221999]Dg, in previous posts you have suggested that CM is actually holed up in his (or her) mother's basement in Newark or Detroit, tapping, drooling and masturbating over a keyboard. I confess to having joined that bandwagon in the recent past. But now I am toying with an alternative explanation: CM, and perhaps PM as well, are actually students or former students working for Russia's Cozy Bear troll factory in St. Petersburg.

It is often suggested that St. Petersburg State University and St. Petersburg's ITMO University, known to be among the world's top IT universities, have provided many of the most proficient trolls for Cozy Bear. A principal Cozy Bear strategy is to spread dissension among competing causes and identity groups, thereby exploiting the freedom of expression that is typical of the U.S. and other Western democracies. Doing so among the rank-and-file of ISG's participants--who originate from various different countries--seems a particularly clever tactic. And imagine the stealthy effectiveness of doing so under usernames that appear to connote African-American or Hispanic identities.

Messages aimed at maligning Filipinas' motives and mongers' gullibility, and attempting to pit the latter against the former, would seem to be obvious and convenient tacks. Similarly, stirring up fear for prospective Western travelers to the Philippines and posting comments that insult both Jews and Muslims would be consistent with Cozy Bear's operations.

Your thoughts?

[URL]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tracing-the-sources-of-today-rsquo-s-russian-cyberthreat/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.thenation.com/article/will-mueller-indict-russians-over-the-dnc-hacking-next/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-academic-trawling-facebook-had-links-to-russian-university[/URL]

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7[/URL]

[URL]https://gcn.com/Articles/2017/08/17/Russian-hackers.aspx?Page=3[/URL][/QUOTE]Others have stated that.

I think you may be on to something here.

My other theory is (s) he maybe be a disenchanted LB, loaded up on hormones with a scribbled up little Richard, thusly the anger and hatred for pussy and mongers.

A: I think the mods should get rid of the anti CM trols as they have nothing but bile to contribute as the previous posts show.

B. Into different unknowns. I will soon be visiting red light districts of various European cities where the nature of risk is very different from Mindanao and where my risk avoidance strategies will be different.

C. First of all, we have to see the bandwagon effect. If the USA warns against travel, others follow suit. I have read warnings from satellite countries where they clearly do not know Jack Shtt. Regarding worthwhile warnings, I would look at those of big countries, as well as local big powers like Australia.

Reasons for Warnings.

There were a number of high profile [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] of Americans in Mexico and an umber of Central American countries, which caused hectacres of shtt to hit huge fans. The net result of this was blanket warnings about anywhere with a hint of danger. Although there are obvious specific dangers in the Philippines, the USA etc overplay them and do not and cannot differentiate between the canny traveller and the innocent abroad. Although in Palawan or elsewhere, it is possible to be unlucky and get kidnapped, the chances are low and less so if one keeps checking the local conditions on the ground.

The only risk I can see in places like Davao is getting caught up in a sneak bomb attack in the bus station or some such place but locals are on their guard for that. Ditto long bus journeys. There have been MPA warnings since the 1980's.

PM.

No need to cockle CM, I am sure CM has a good grip on himself.

Always better to be safe than sorry.

I have been coming to the Philippines for work over the last 7 years but never had been to Davao until last month. While I was a bit nervous going south I have to say it was a pretty good experience. The airport was easy to get in and out of though there is more security than Mactan or Manila. Less traffic for sure than in both Cebu and Manila. I never felt unsafe even though there are far less foreigners than Cebu or Manila. Though everything felt a bit subdued and a bit boring at night. The girls are wonderful and I did spend all my days with one I carefully selected on DIA. Spent the weekend on Samal with her after I made sure I fully enjoyed her company in bed. That all said I do not think I would return. It's a bit boring compared to Cebu or Metro Manila. And it is wise to heed warnings from my country even though they may be overblown. There are plenty of girls throughout the Philippines for this middle aged blond haired blue eyed Foreigner to play with.

Davao is not dangerous, though there is a risk of getting bombed at the bus terminal but this risk is probably lower than equivalent risks in Paris, London etc, all of which have considerably more footfall than Davao. Every place must shoe horn into what media fantasies say: Rome (ice cream), Paris (style), Liverpool (Beatles, football), Mindanao (bombs). Marginal places like Mindanao only make news on if it bleeds, it leads.

Because of the Mexican and Central American cases alluded to below, big companies / governments cover themselves by issuing danger warnings. But that is to protect themselves against lawsuits and is not an accurate reflection of the risks. Although one should not hitch hike around Mindanao, if one has a plan and sticks to it, then much of Mindanao is very safe. I say that as someone who has bonked very many women there.

Mayor, now President Duterte, helped this process greatly by playing Sheriff of Dodge, where many criminals got their own OK Corral, complete with generous servings of lead.

I find San Pedro Cathedra a good hang out spot for picking up J4 Ps (Jolibee for plays). The paid ladies are just up the street.

I am sure Chocha Monger and others who know the Davao scene well know all of this. There is an abundance of P4P there, generally less packaged or touristy than Angeles. I find a cheap hotel, something to do during the day and some local sperm catchers at night does it for me. I find it best to steer clear of the expats as I am there to find sperm spitoons and it works for me.

I have given up taking photos of women as one Jolibee looks much the same as the next. That said, I still take pictures of Jolibees and such like to send to my female admirers who like such stuff. Why they or anyone want to see a picture of someone else's meal is a trivial mystery but there's nothing as odd as people.

There is a reason we were taught the 4 or so FS at school. Find them, feed them, fool them, feel them fuck them, forget them.

Just back from a one week Davao stay. Did my FC study pre trip and had a 23 year old innocent type ready to go once I was there. We had immediate chemistry and it wasnt long before we were at it. Very innocent girl, not at all worldly which is just how I like them as it makes it so much easier to blow smoke up their ass. Not a super good looker but body was a solid 8/10. I am in my forties so the whole thing was rather nice for me. Took her out to nice places to eat and did buy her some nice clothes and a necklace but nothing extravagant or over the top. We were together under the premise that we would be together for ever and leaving her the last time knowing I was only around for the sex made me feel strangely guilty. We banged in every position and in a lot of places too I could do it all again, impossible to get action that willing, wet and tight from home. Do your pre trip study and its highly likely a good time will be had. Also I would recommend looking for girls from outside of the major centres as they are most likely not to be hard as nails like big city girls can be.

This is my last morning in Davao and I had a great time.

Pre work on the dating sites was a major PITA but last minute hookups really came through (see my separate post in the Chat Rooms board).

Unlike AceJack below, I'm 100% straight with the girls about my situation and that this is not going to be an ongoing BF / GF relationship. Most have heard all the BS stories in the past so find the truth refreshing and performance goes through the roof.

I used only Tinder, PL and FC. No bars or KTVs. Tinder provided the hard core professionals and FC providing the best of the semi pros. As is my luck, last night I latched onto an absolute doll. 21 yo, 5' 6" of toned heaven and generous handful tits. Add in a fantastic attitude and I regret we didn't meet on the first day rather than the last day. She would have been a keeper for the whole stay.

I'll certainly be back again.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2267682]This is my last morning in Davao and I had a great time.

Pre work on the dating sites was a major PITA but last minute hookups really came through (see my separate post in the Chat Rooms board).

Unlike AceJack below, I'm 100% straight with the girls about my situation and that this is not going to be an ongoing BF / GF relationship. Most have heard all the BS stories in the past so find the truth refreshing and performance goes through the roof.

I used only Tinder, PL and FC. No bars or KTVs. Tinder provided the hard core professionals and FC providing the best of the semi pros. As is my luck, last night I latched onto an absolute doll. 21 yo, 5' 6" of toned heaven and generous handful tits. Add in a fantastic attitude and I regret we didn't meet on the first day rather than the last day. She would have been a keeper for the whole stay.

I'll certainly be back again.[/QUOTE]I couldn't find anyone on Tinder. My local friend took me to KTV bar and I selected a girl and brought her to hotel, but those girls in KTV bar were nothing like you described.

Please PM me her contact details.

Definitely visit Davao again in next 2 months.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2267682]This is my last morning in Davao and I had a great time.

Pre work on the dating sites was a major PITA but last minute hookups really came through (see my separate post in the Chat Rooms board).

Unlike AceJack below, I'm 100% straight with the girls about my situation and that this is not going to be an ongoing BF / GF relationship. Most have heard all the BS stories in the past so find the truth refreshing and performance goes through the roof.

I used only Tinder, PL and FC. No bars or KTVs. Tinder provided the hard core professionals and FC providing the best of the semi pros. As is my luck, last night I latched onto an absolute doll. 21 yo, 5' 6" of toned heaven and generous handful tits. Add in a fantastic attitude and I regret we didn't meet on the first day rather than the last day. She would have been a keeper for the whole stay.

I'll certainly be back again.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about the pre work on dating sites being a PITA but glad ultimately it worked out.

I felt the same way last month in Cebu but the first one I met online was a girl from Davao on a conference and regretted not going to Davao later. Plan to make amends. But it worked out for me in Cebu later as well.

5' 6" hmmmmmm. Not bad at all. I will take that any day compared to borderline 5' I was getting in Cebu.

Planning to be in Davao in March.

[QUOTE=Ibaski;2267811]5' 6" hmmmmmm. Not bad at all. I will take that any day compared to borderline 5' I was getting in Cebu.[/QUOTE]When we met in the lobby, I thought it was too good to be true and wouldn't take her up to the room but went to a nearby restaurant just to make sure everything was real.

It was indeed: with her in flats we stood eye to eye, a "yeah I go to the gym a bit" body, more than a handful BB cups and everything vacuum wrapped in brown sugar skin. Add to that giggly good fun and I was in heaven.

[QUOTE=Griffin4171;2267711]I couldn't find anyone on Tinder. My local friend took me to KTV bar and I selected a girl and brought her to hotel, but those girls in KTV bar were nothing like you described.[/QUOTE]You need better friends. This came from a DVO KTV (view the original post for pic's):

[QUOTE=Goferring;2148861]I came across this flat chested lass in Davao.

Swore that she was the smallest of her sisters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Griffin4171;2267711]Please PM me her contact.[/QUOTE]Nope.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2267874]You need better friends. This came from a DVO KTV (view the original post for pic's):.[/QUOTE]Goffer.

Good reply as he 2 FRs but he has no PM facility so very odd he asked you to PM him when he ant receive. Have fun in Duma!

Both with an 18 year old sweetie in Davao City. I obtained her services via a taxi driver. I had told him that I was looking for the services of an 18 year old or 19 year old lady, this method can be a bit hit and miss, but on this occasion it was a definite hit.

My first session with her was on New Years eve, and then again two days later and I gave her PHP2 k for each session, as well as PHP1 k (just once) to the taxi-driver. When the driver first brought her to meet me (at a pre-arranged time outside the condo where I was staying) I asked him to take me to a short-time hotel, to wait and to then take me back when the session was over. The girl rode back with me and I asked the girl and the driver to meet me again in two days outside my condo building at 10 pm.

On the afternoon of the day when I was due to meet them, I texted the driver to remind him, and got a text message back to say that the meeting was cancelled because he had a taxi problem. I texted back to acknowledge and asked if he could arrange it for the following day but he did not reply.

That night, at about 9. 30 pm I left my room to go out, and as I left the building a voice shouted out from the shadows, calling my name. WTF? It was the girl! She said the taxi driver was a neighbour and that his wife had found out what he was doing and was unhappy about it and had told him to stop it. Anyway, we hailed a taxi and went to the same short time hotel for another session which would be our last.

As it happened she shared the same birth date (the day and month, not the year, I was born in the early 1950's) as myself! When I first met her I asked her age and she gave me her birth date and showed me her ID, and when I showed her my ID with my birth date she nearly freaked out!

I was in Davao City for a week (but in the Philippines for a month, I was also in Manila, Cebu City, Bantayan Island and Malapasqua Island, and Angeles) and had arrived on 28 December and it was my first visit there. She was the only girl I went with in Davao. On the same day as my first session with her (New Year's eve) there was a terror attack at a shopping mall in Cotabato (about 130 miles west of Davao City) with 2 dead and dozens injured. I haven't been to Cotabato and it was not on my schedule, apparently it is considered unsafe for Westerners.

And on my first morning in Davao City there was an earthquake! I was staying on the 28th floor of a condo unit (Avida Towers, booked via airbnb) and as I was coming out of the bathroom that first morning the room started to slowly sway and move, sideways and backwards and forwards. I knew straightaway it was a quake and I stood in the doorway of the bathroom whilst it was happening, and it lasted for about a minute then it stopped. I didn't leave the building, but about 20 minutes later security guards came up to the floor and were shouting and pounding on all the doors telling everyone to evacuate in case of aftershocks so I did and went downstairs to the lobby and joined the other residents. The strange thing is that we were not told to wait outside the building on the footpath or in the road but rather near the lobby area. The building is quite new and looked to be of a high standard of construction. After about 5 minutes they told us we could re-enter our rooms. Later I checked online and it was reported as being a magnitude 7.2, there were thankfully no casualties and no buildings were damaged.

That was actually my second earthquake 'experience', my first was also in the Philippines, in Manila on my first ever trip there in either 1988 or 1989. I can not remember the year but sure as hell can remember the earthquake! I was in my hotel room, high up (can't remember the floor) when the room started to sway and move about. It took me about 10/15 seconds to realise what was happening, I thought at first I was hallucinating. When it dawned on me that it was an earthquake I made a decision to get out and headed for the door and then the hallway to the staircase to head down and get out of the building, as did dozens of others. All the while I was going down the stairs the building was swaying and moving and I really thought that it was going to collapse on me and that I was going to die! It was a terrifying experience. Anyway, I got outside onto the road as did the other hotel guests who came down with me, by then it had stopped. I remember looking around and could see no sign of building damage.

During my stay in Davao I visited a bar called Hot Legs, located on San Pedro St near City Hall. It was a dirty decrepit smelly shithole with a small stage and about a dozen small cheap tables and a couple of cheap plastic chairs at each table. On the occasion of my visit there was just one middle-aged rather plump woman shuffling about on the stage and a few other not-very attractive woman lurking around the tables. I ordered a beer and was there for about 20 minutes. One of the women came over and sat down with me and told me she was available for take-out, but to be honest if she had offered me a freebie I would have declined. She was in her late twenties / early thirties and rather plain. The only other customers were locals and did not seem to mind my presence. The area around the bar is where the freelancers hang out, I had a wander around but did not see anyone who I thought was worth a go.

There is also another Hot Legs Bar in Davao near to the condo I was staying in, I went in one night for a look and went straight back out the front door. It was also a shithole.

Anyway, a few photos.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2276939]Both with an 18 year old sweetie in Davao City. I obtained her services via a taxi driver. I had told him that I was looking for the services of an 18 year old or 19 year old lady, this method can be a bit hit and miss, but on this occasion it was a definite hit.

My first session with her was on New Years eve, and then again two days later and I gave her PHP2 k for each session, as well as PHP1 k (just once) to the taxi-driver. When the driver first brought her to meet me (at a pre-arranged time outside the condo where I was staying) I asked him to take me to a short-time hotel, to wait and to then take me back when the session was over. The girl rode back with me and I asked the girl and the driver to meet me again in two days outside my condo building at 10 pm.

On the afternoon of the day when I was due to meet them, I texted the driver to remind him, and got a text message back to say that the meeting was cancelled because he had a taxi problem. I texted back to acknowledge and asked if he could arrange it for the following day but he did not reply.[/QUOTE]Haha, I went to Hot Legs in October and had the same impression. What a shithole. I think there are 3 of them. I went to the one down stairs in a basement.

2 k ST is a shitload to give a FL ST down there IMO.

Nicest people I have met in the PI in Davao. I felt totally safe there.

I really liked Davao but think I would die of boredom there. I'm back in AC now wading through a sea of Koreans to get my turn with the ladies. Kinda missing being the only foreigner in sight.

As much as I liked Davao I wouldn't recommend it to the average monger. If a guy likes the bar scene it's basically nonexistent there. Bar scene in Cebu much better IMO. (though the Cebu BFs were high end Angeles WS prices) but some stunners there!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2221535].... any and all high schools, ....[/QUOTE]At 63 years avoiding mongering in high schools just might be a good idea. LOL.

Did you meet my high school sweetheart?

She is a sweetheart and in high school.

Not really in high school.

Yet.

Not much traffic on Davao. I am thinking about heading down there for a couple of weeks to take a look around. All indications that staying at better hotels, taking the usual precautions it is a pretty safe place, so I have no worries in that regard.

I have some good leads on Tinder and SA. I am not into the street pickups or bar scenes as I look for regular girls not pro's or semi pro's.

Anyone know any really good Airbnb places there? I want some nice amenities (pool and gym), not too worried about the location as it is not that traffic congested as Manila.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2356696]Not much traffic on Davao. I am thinking about heading down there for a couple of weeks to take a look around. All indications that staying at better hotels, taking the usual precautions it is a pretty safe place, so I have no worries in that regard.

I have some good leads on Tinder and SA. I am not into the street pickups or bar scenes as I look for regular girls not pro's or semi pro's.

Anyone know any really good Airbnb places there? I want some nice amenities (pool and gym), not too worried about the location as it is not that traffic congested as Manila.[/QUOTE]I can't help with specific places, but with the proliferation of condos going up in literally every quadrant of the city, I don't think you will have much of a problem. I've had several friends who have rented condos on Magallanes (sp,) St. And have been quite satisfied with them. There's also a condo called Northpoint which has been recommended by some friends, but I've never been into any of those places and can't give a first hand assessment.

It's true that traffic congestion here is nowhere near the density found in Manila, but it is getting worse, and during rush hour is can be frustrating, so I'the recommend timing your car rides to avoid the usual rush hour build-ups if possible.

GE.

What is the current scene in Davao like? I am heading there in Sept.

Wonder where the go to places are for finding girls and what are the rates like.

What are some girl friendly places or best short time hotels if you don't want to bring someone to your main accommodation.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2356714]I can't help with specific places, but with the proliferation of condos going up in literally every quadrant of the city, I don't think you will have much of a problem. I've had several friends who have rented condos on Magallanes (sp,) St. And have been quite satisfied with them. There's also a condo called Northpoint which has been recommended by some friends, but I've never been into any of those places and can't give a first hand assessment.

It's true that traffic congestion here is nowhere near the density found in Manila, but it is getting worse, and during rush hour is can be frustrating, so I'the recommend timing your car rides to avoid the usual rush hour build-ups if possible.

GE.[/QUOTE]If KG stays near Peoples Park, everything is within walking distance so avoiding traffic won't be a priority. 😁.

It's also an easy to find reference point to tell the girls when they are heading in to meet up.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2356879]If KG stays near Peoples Park, everything is within walking distance so avoiding traffic won't be a priority. 😁.

It's also an easy to find reference point to tell the girls when they are heading in to meet up.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]It's good advice, and it is a central location. I'm not aware of any condos in that area, which is about the oldest part of the city as far as I know. But again, I could be wrong as I do not pay much attention to that when I'm there. There's an older hotel called, I believe, Leticia that a lot of folks seem to like, and it is within walking distance of lots of restaurants and bars.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2357031]There's an older hotel called, I believe, Leticia that a lot of folks seem to like, and it is within walking distance of lots of restaurants and bars.

GE.[/QUOTE]There are actually 3 Leticias in Davao. Don't ask me how I know that blindly following Google Maps to all 3 is an all day walk around town. 😁.

It's best to stay at the Leticia Peoples Park. The others are business and conference centers. Yes, it is old but close to everything. If the OP wanted a nicer place there are Condos near the Marco Polo (or the hotel itself) just around the corner.

Enjoy. G.

Hi dear friends,

Some years ago I went to Davao and I was there for 20 days. I loved Davao a lot because I fucked so many regular girls even if I'm not young. I don't like pro girls. The next months I'd like to reach Philippine again but I don't know if I will reach Davao again or Cebu. I read about Cebu, it is nice city for mongering because there are many available girls more than in Davao. But I'm afraid there are so many pro. If you know as Davao as Cebu, could you tell me if it is easy to meet and fuck regular girls in short time like in Davao? Certainly there are in Cebu too but I don't think there is a large number of regular and available girls as in Davao ready to be fucked. Maybe I'm wrong?

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2362914]Hi dear friends,

Some years ago I went to Davao and I was there for 20 days. I loved Davao a lot because I fucked so many regular girls even if I'm not young. I don't like pro girls. The next months I'd like to reach Philippine again but I don't know if I will reach Davao again or Cebu. I read about Cebu, it is nice city for mongering because there are many available girls more than in Davao. But I'm afraid there are so many pro. If you know as Davao as Cebu, could you tell me if it is easy to meet and fuck regular girls in short time like in Davao? Certainly there are in Cebu too but I don't think there is a large number of regular and available girls as in Davao ready to be fucked. Maybe I'm wrong?[/QUOTE]Cebu is far more westernised and modern so has more of everything and it's easier to find anything you want from good girls to pros.

Having said that, Davao is a much more relaxed place and has a much greater provincial feel to it despite its size. Western guys are still a bit of a novelty there whereas we are common in Cebu City.

It's certainly still possible to meet up and hook up with regular Davao girls. They will just take a little more time than Cebu.

I enjoy the place and would recommend a revisit.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2363094]Western guys are still a bit of a novelty there whereas we are common in Cebu City.
It's certainly still possible to meet up and hook up with regular Davao girls. They will just take a little more time than Cebu.
I enjoy the place and would recommend a revisit.[/QUOTE]Are you telling me you went to both Cebu and Davao? It is difficult really to hear a guy likes more Davao than Cebu. You like Davao more than Cebu, just like me. I never went to Cebu but I'm almost sure about it.

I remember two particular stories that happened to me in Davao and I would like to tell them. I'm an old man but I got some incredible stories there.

1) A 20 years old girl fell in love with me after just a few days of talking online. I did't like her and I didn't like to meet her. But she went into depression for me because she loved me and told me she would do bad things if I didn't meet her for at least 30 minutes. Then I was forced to meet her in a park near my apartment and in that time saw her eyes light up for 30 minutes. I was happy too. It seems incredible, she is still writing to me on the Internet for several years.

2) I was talking with a 18 years old girl on Internet when I was in Davao. She wanted to meet me even if I didn't want. I was so tired. Then I accepted and she came to my apartment. I liked to prepare something to eat for her but she told me was so tired and liked to rest in the bed. She went to bedroom alone and then I went there after some minutes and I began to caress her hair and her face. She approached me and began to kiss me. She instantly took off her shirt (only that one) and I saw her wonderful tits. We started a hard petting for some minutes and after 4-5 minutes she jumped up wildly from the bed, got dressed and left. I was stunned.

They seems incredible stories but they are real.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2363112]Are you telling me you went to both Cebu and Davao?[/QUOTE]Yes.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2363112]It is difficult really to hear a guy likes more Davao than Cebu. You like Davao more than Cebu, just like me.[/QUOTE]I didn't say I like Davao more than Cebu. I said they are both different with greatly differing attractions. I enjoy and have a great time in both for different reasons.

I can certainly understand why someone who enjoys the regional feel would prefer Davao.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2363112] She approached me and began to kiss me. She instantly took off her shirt (only that one) and I saw her wonderful tits. We started a hard petting for some minutes and after 4-5 minutes she jumped up wildly from the bed, got dressed and left. I was stunned.

They seems incredible stories but they are real.[/QUOTE]I don't doubt your story. The same thing happened to me but mine happened with a girl who had clearly been around the block a few times and was no stranger to foreign dick. She was absolutely stunning and I was left horny as fuck and scratching my head as to what just happened. It's all in one of my earlier Davao posts.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2149791]

Day 4 started and the call center girlie showed up. Yeah! And she was HOT. A slim little body struggled to support some 34 DDs. A barely there dress failed at conceiling anything. We had a light breakfast before we headed back to the room. The "good girl" sales pitch was replaced with "Before the call center, I worked at KTVs in Manila and Cebu, a foreigner bar in Korea and as a foreigner "tourguide" and "My American fiance is a dick because he won't let me go out and party with my girlfriends" etc, etc, etc. This girl has been AROUND. After the past few days' dramas, this made me horny as fuck. Some small talk about getting hammered in Angeles quickly led to power DFK. Tits were spilled and they were glorious! "Let's get your dress off" led to. . . "I'm not going to fuck you on the first meeting". . . . Aaaaargh! Are you fucking serious? I leave tomorrow! . . . . And she left with, "But I'll be back tonight". Of course, I thought this was total bullshit, I had just had the ultimate prick tease and there was no way in hell that she intended to come back. I was literally pacing the hotel room with frustration.

[/QUOTE]Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2363112]She instantly took off her shirt (only that one) and I saw her wonderful tits. We started a hard petting for some minutes and after 4-5 minutes she jumped up wildly from the bed, got dressed and left. I was stunned.

They seems incredible stories but they are real.[/QUOTE]It happened to me long time ago in Angeles although different way. I was all sexed out and was not looking for barfine. A friendly waitress who I knew long time in Blue Nile who always helped me suggested a real cherry girl. She was real pretty. She wanted to go with me although sex was not on the menu. We had a great time dinner, dancing, bar hopping and everything except real penetration. So we fell asleep. In early morning she starts playing with my dick and makes it hard and gets on top. Had some problem with pussy being tight while I was playing with her big boobs. She got it in half way and grinding for a while. All of a sudden I guess a light flashed in her head about what she was doing and holding out for virgin money or sponsor. She slides off goes to the bathroom, gets dressed and comes back to the bed and goes to sleep without a word. I guess she figured clothes would protect her from temptation. Later we both woke up we were back doing what we were doing with clothes off but not full penetration. In fact I came in her pussy which did not bother her.

I think some girls in your case wants to have sex and suddenly decide not to for whatever reason and run. Only one thing I can think off is she has a BF and felt guilty.

Based on GE's recommendations, I have just booked a trip to his fine city. CRK-DVO-MNL on a cheap Cebu Pacific ticket. If I don't get blown up at the market square / bus station / airport / Jollibee Downtown, I will send in a field report.

If I get kidnapped and held for ransom, I will tell my gracious hosts to PM GE for the money. LOL.

I guess curiosity got the better of me. Who knows, if this visit goes well, I might venture down to Gen San or Zamboanga next time.

I've been chatting away to a couple of MILFs in Davao on PL. Both are spinners. One is 41 with two kids and the other is 30 with one kid. No mention of any husband or boyfriend. I think they did a gonski after giving them a cream pie. I'm sure some Pinays think they got pregnant through immaculate conception LOL. They both act like they are virgins.

41 year old has a part time job assembling shit in a factory. The recent heavy rains meant she had to evacuate from her hut beside the river. She missed work and now has no money. She said she was going to pawn her phone so she could eat. Don't worry, I did not reach for my check book. The other one has a sari sari store, but has gone off the radar since last Wednesday's storm.

GE, are the storms that bad now?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2367793]

I've been chatting away to a couple of MILFs in Davao on PL. Both are spinners. One is 41 with two kids and the other is 30 with one kid. No mention of any husband or boyfriend. I think they did a gonski after giving them a cream pie. I'm sure some Pinays think they got pregnant through immaculate conception LOL. They both act like they are virgins.[/QUOTE]If you survive he MILFs and beheadings be sure to investigate the overtime opportunities available from the girls at numerous call centers in town.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2367832]If you survive he MILFs and beheadings be sure to investigate the overtime opportunities available from the girls at numerous call centers in town.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Was trying to explain to a little hotbody single mother the other day why Moro Islamic Liberation Front has such a hilarious acronym, unfortunately the humor sort of went over her head. Oh well.

[QUOTE=RollAides;2367876]Was trying to explain to a little hotbody single mother the other day why Moro Islamic Liberation Front has such a hilarious acronym, unfortunately the humor sort of went over her head. Oh well.[/QUOTE]That little hotbody single mother wouldn't know what 1+1 was, let alone acronyms. Those bird brained nincompoops are only good for sucking your bank account dry. Sort of okay if they can also suck your dick dry.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2367793]Based on GE's recommendations, I have just booked a trip to his fine city. CRK-DVO-MNL on a cheap Cebu Pacific ticket. If I don't get blown up at the market square / bus station / airport / Jollibee Downtown, I will send in a field report.

If I get kidnapped and held for ransom, I will tell my gracious hosts to PM GE for the money. LOL.

I guess curiosity got the better of me. Who knows, if this visit goes well, I might venture down to Gen San or Zamboanga next time.

I've been chatting away to a couple of MILFs in Davao on PL. Both are spinners. One is 41 with two kids and the other is 30 with one kid. No mention of any husband or boyfriend. I think they did a gonski after giving them a cream pie. I'm sure some Pinays think they got pregnant through immaculate conception LOL. They both act like they are virgins.

41 year old has a part time job assembling shit in a factory. The recent heavy rains meant she had to evacuate from her hut beside the river. She missed work and now has no money. She said she was going to pawn her phone so she could eat. Don't worry, I did not reach for my check book. The other one has a sari sari store, but has gone off the radar since last Wednesday's storm.

GE, are the storms that bad now?[/QUOTE]There have been a couple of days of heavy rain, and there are some areas of the city that consistently flood. Drainage has been significantly improved throughout most of the city, and for the most part, it's dry with zero flooding. If you want to grab a beer when you're here let me know and we can exchange PMs on how to work that out.

Have a great time here. The scene isn't as overt as Makati, Angeles or Cebu, but it's here and it's fun.

GE.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2367917]That little hotbody single mother wouldn't know what 1+1 was, let alone acronyms. Those bird brained nincompoops are only good for sucking your bank account dry. Sort of okay if they can also suck your dick dry.[/QUOTE]Well, it seems like they arrived at a compromise. His jokes blow her mind. In return, she will blow his bank account and his prick. This is the golden rule of foreigner-Filipina relationships.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2367917]That little hotbody single mother wouldn't know what 1+1 was, let alone acronyms. Those bird brained nincompoops are only good for sucking your bank account dry. Sort of okay if they can also suck your dick dry.[/QUOTE]Actually, that particular MILF has a business degree, and the only time she's ever gotten money from me was a loan on which she paid 20% interest. She just didn't get the humor. You seem kinda grouchy about something.

[QUOTE=RollAides;2368672]You seem kinda grouchy about something.[/QUOTE]Don't berate ED. We should be offering our condolences. Another's wayward creampie has forced his girlie of choice to retreat to the villages of Mindanao. Now he must sit idly by in purgatory until she has bore her bastard child. Worst of all, she didn't have the decency to at least give him the last swing at bat!!

Several members here have met and even road tested her and can attest that for someone else to remove such a girl from circulation is a crime against humanity that even an East African warlord would be ashamed of. ED's once pristine DDs and killer body will soon become the saggy tits and stretch marked arse that we all are trying to escape from.

The above goes some of the way to explain why ED's once happy go lucky posts have been replaced with the recent bitterness towards pinas. He doth protest too much, methinks.

So, save your scorn and pity for ED. It's much better to offer support and understanding while he goes through these tragic times, mourning as much and for as long as it takes to recover.

I'd like to offer ED a Grab ticket to the Tondo rail lines and a crisp 100 peso note to help him to find his feet again. Mate, its here ready when ever you need it.

Enjoy. G. 😁.

[QUOTE=RollAides;2368672]You seem kinda grouchy about something.[/QUOTE]As the Board sour dolt, those comments are usually aimed at me (dammit, that's MY job). Haha how refreshing!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2368923]Don't berate ED. We should be offering our condolences. SNIP The above goes some of the way to explain why ED's once happy go lucky posts have been replaced with the recent bitterness towards pinas. He doth protest too much, methinks. SNIP I'd like to offer ED a Grab ticket to the Tondo rail lines and a crisp 100 peso note to help him to find his feet again. Mate, its here ready when ever you need it.[/QUOTE]I offer up some pictorial delight for ED. So many (pinay) reasons to be happy in Phils.

My bad. Chin up, ED, there's plenty more where she came from.

[URL]https://durianburg.com/2008/04/16/days-numbered-for-prostitute-haven-in-davao-city/[/URL]

I would say there are some real bottom layers of hell places like this. On the plus side, there would be no rich Koreans Is there much of a scene out in the sticks? I'd like to try safe places.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2374165][URL]https://durianburg.com/2008/04/16/days-numbered-for-prostitute-haven-in-davao-city/[/URL]

I would say there are some real bottom layers of hell places like this. On the plus side, there would be no rich Koreans Is there much of a scene out in the sticks? I'd like to try safe places.[/QUOTE]Well, it looks like the wharf rats are not the only creatures climbing aboard banana boats via the mooring lines. It must be quite a spectacular sight to see the Akyat Barko girls swarming up the mooring lines of recently arrived banana freighters to peddle their pussies to the lecherous crew. Sikatoy should be declared a UNESCO World Heritage Site for its peculiar culture. That would really make the terrorist shithole that is Davao worth a visit.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2374303]Well, it looks like the wharf rats are not the only creatures climbing aboard banana boats via the mooring lines. It must be quite a spectacular sight to see the Akyat Barko girls swarming up the mooring lines of recently arrived banana freighters to peddle their pussies to the lecherous crew. Sikatoy should be declared a UNESCO World Heritage Site for its peculiar culture. That would really make the terrorist shithole that is Davao worth a visit.[/QUOTE]These types of places are peppered all though the sealanes of Asia. Not the PI, but I worked for a while at a place upriver where 90% of resupply was via tug and barge. Occassionally, parts would be urgently needed so additional tugs would be attached, over time paid, additional hands would be put on board, all at great expense, to get the item (s) delivered ASAP.

Every voyage, said barge would make very good time up until a little blue shack on a bend in the river and mysteriously break down for a few hours then set off again at full speed. EVERY TIME. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2374165][URL]https://durianburg.com/2008/04/16/days-numbered-for-prostitute-haven-in-davao-city/[/URL]

I would say there are some real bottom layers of hell places like this. On the plus side, there would be no rich Koreans Is there much of a scene out in the sticks? I'd like to try safe places.[/QUOTE]Go spend some time in illegal mining or timber camps. 😱.

Those girls would regard a shanty on a Davao wharf as a 5 star upgrade.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2374303]That would really make the terrorist shithole that is Davao worth a visit.[/QUOTE]Clearly we are visiting very different Davaos.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2374165][URL]https://durianburg.com/2008/04/16/days-numbered-for-prostitute-haven-in-davao-city/[/URL]

I would say there are some real bottom layers of hell places like this. On the plus side, there would be no rich Koreans Is there much of a scene out in the sticks? I'd like to try safe places.[/QUOTE]To add to Goffering's FR.

Try spending some time in the UAE or Qatar and visit the labour camps. Lots of PRC (Chinese) WGs visit and get paid by volume, using just a wet wipe in between the customers. Sometime the who dormitory watches and sometime there is some privacy. Makes no difference as it is very grim and horrible.

At least here the PRC WGs get to see a vessel and ocean rather some very sweaty smelly over crowed dormitory LOL.

That is some funny stuff GoFerring. Did you ever investigate further or do you think there are easier ways to commit suicide? It kinda reminds me of cub reporters in war zones. OK till the heavy music starts and not a fox hole to be found. I've gone to some hairy places in search of muff but I'd like an easier escape plan than straddling crocodile infested waters if I outwore my welcome at the tin shack ho house. Maybe it's time for some crack ho to make an honest man of me. I guess that is one of the reasons we all move upmarket. I mean, I bet those brothels in the illegal logging places don't have cable TV, (clean) sheets or WiFi. I've been in a few short time hotels in Mindanao and they ain't for the faint hearted.

Are the small towns of Mindanao worth a visit or is there an easier way to commit suicide?

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2374579]To add to Goffering's FR.

Try spending some time in the UAE or Qatar and visit the labour camps. Lots of PRC (Chinese) WGs visit and get paid by volume, using just a wet wipe in between the customers. Sometime the who dormitory watches and sometime there is some privacy. Makes no difference as it is very grim and horrible. At least here the PRC WGs get to see a vessel and ocean rather some very sweaty smelly over crowed dormitory LOL.[/QUOTE]I'd drop my hand at this stage and leave the game. "paid by volume" like picking cherries. I see now why folk go upmarket. I guess they reuse the wet wipes. Time to dump that Pretty Woman DVD. The Mindanao pimps could pimp the view to get the workers.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2374723]That is some funny stuff GoFerring. Did you ever investigate further or do you think there are easier ways to commit suicide? It kinda reminds me of cub reporters in war zones......

I mean, I bet those brothels in the illegal logging places don't have cable TV, (clean) sheets or WiFi. I've been in a few short time hotels in Mindanao and they ain't for the faint hearted.[/QUOTE]An apt comparison. The mixture of mercury, toxic chemicals and oil spills certainly do create their own scorched earth policy. It's very easy to understand why the people involved have their growth stunted at 4'6"/ 80 lbs and are generally dead at 40.

What brothels and infrastructure? The most advanced might have a few cobbled together wooden leantoos and the ubiquitous mountain of plastic 7 gal fuel containers. Many have no semi permanent buildings at all and people just eat, sleep and shit where ever they drop.

Strangely enough they do have satellite dishes and TV stations. I have no idea how they get them in there but they are always there. I guess if anyone has the right to watch aspirational soapies, they do. After all, they are playing Jungle Survivor the home game 24/7.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2374572]Clearly we are visiting very different Davaos.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Has this guy ever posted any accurate information here? Davao, listed among the safest cities in the world is now a "terrorist shithole. " I've lived here 18 years and never knew.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2374936]Has this guy ever posted any accurate information here? GE.[/QUOTE]Hard to post accurate information about places you've only visited by web browsing.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2374303] the terrorist shithole that is Davao [/QUOTE]Leaving aside that Davao has been bombed on several occasions, the question is simple. Where do Simon & Garfunkel's ragged people hang out and where can we bonk them without getting the bubonic plague (as in Skid Row), AIDS or eaten by banana boat loving crocs; the illegal logging camps are off the bucket list, thanks to an earlier post of distinction.

Davao's wretched of the earth are easy but I want to go way beyond that. I have leads in Gen San and Pagadian but I'm not the SAS on are&are, to be Black Hawked in and out. More a Gurkha, slither in, unseen and bayonet them between the legs, without attracting a lynching party. The ideal place would be a small village / town, with a few young ladies willing to experiment for a few pesos, but good transport so as to get out of Dodge before the lynch party gathers.

Most guys are doing this in Angeles and so on, but bragging right were lost there a long time ago. The women think they are doing you a favour by saying: Thank you. You are Lucky Customer no 10,0000, so you get ten minutes for 10 k. Enough!

Davao's one advantage is the street walkers, 9's among them, can be bargained down to Open Sesame for peanuts (compared to further north) but there is no challenge. Bt 9's, I mean you and cute (19-23), not too many babies, not very well educated but deep conversations can wait. The happy medium is the golden rule. Pagadian seems good but it could be a death tap if no escape plan, which is superfluous to requirements in Davao's RLD and is only necessary in places like Angeles if one is a loud mouth or a fool.

I'm very interested in Davao and want to visist it the next year.

Can someone experienced tell me more about the SW there? Where they can be found and what is the going Rate there?

I read in the Internet you can find SW after the Sunset near Bangko Sentral in Davao.

Is this still actual?

And could someone please recommend an girlfriendly Hotel there below 35 $, where they also accept the Sw's?

When I'm there I will report.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2375067]Leaving aside that Davao has been bombed on several occasions.[/QUOTE]So has Bali. So has Sydney. So has NYC. If you find walking around Davao scary then the rest of you post is pretty pointless.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2375067]Where do Simon & Garfunkel's ragged people hang out and where can we bonk them without getting the bubonic plague (as in Skid Row), AIDS or eaten by banana boat loving crocs; the illegal logging camps are off the bucket list, thanks to an earlier post of distinction.

Davao's wretched of the earth are easy but I want to go way beyond that. I have leads in Gen San and Pagadian but I'm not the SAS on are&are, to be Black Hawked in and out. More a Gurkha, slither in, unseen and bayonet them between the legs, without attracting a lynching party. The ideal place would be a small village / town, with a few young ladies willing to experiment for a few pesos, but good transport so as to get out of Dodge before the lynch party gathers.

Most guys are doing this in Angeles and so on, but bragging right were lost there a long time ago. The women think they are doing you a favour by saying: Thank you. You are Lucky Customer no 10,0000, so you get ten minutes for 10 k. Enough!

Davao's one advantage is the street walkers, 9's among them, can be bargained down to Open Sesame for peanuts (compared to further north) but there is no challenge. Bt 9's, I mean you and cute (19-23), not too many babies, not very well educated but deep conversations can wait. The happy medium is the golden rule. Pagadian seems good but it could be a death tap if no escape plan, which is superfluous to requirements in Davao's RLD and is only necessary in places like Angeles if one is a loud mouth or a fool.[/QUOTE]You are asking contradicting questions: where are the desperately poor, off the beaten track, untouched by white dicks, waiting in anticipation for one to arrive and ravish them? Yet they need to be in a quaint village, with easy access and egress and full healthcare facilities. Presumably nice hotels and western meals would also be a nice touch.

These villages are untouched because they are difficult to get to. No white dick is there because an average monger is scared off. The desperately poor live there because it's such a shit hole that no one else will tolerate it.

If you want to go to somewhere different, do just that. Find a town, big or small, take reasonable precautions, and just walk around, have something to eat or drink and have a look around. I bet there are many places within half a mile of Burgos St that have litterally never seen a white face. If you feel comfortable then just strike up a conversation and see what happens. If you feel uncomfortable just get up and leave. You will be surprised how welcoming these places are to an approachable stranger.

FWIW, illegal miners, timber cutters and their camps are not at all scary. If you know how to behave. They are just working, desperate to feed their family. Behave properly and they are fine. Arrive unannounced at night and charge around throwing your money around and it could be a very dangerous situation.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2375245]I'm very interested in Davao and want to visist it the next year.

Can someone experienced tell me more about the SW there? Where they can be found and what is the going Rate there?[/QUOTE]Lots available in the back streets around the Casino, Peoples Park and Leticia Hotel areas. Note many are LBs.

Its not a market I use but I would expect to pay well under 1 k ST.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2375756]So has Bali. So has Sydney. So has NYC. If you find walking around Davao scary then the rest of you post is pretty pointless.

......[/QUOTE]And London, Montreal and even Oklahoma City.

If the idea that some bad guys may decide to set off a bomb is sufficient to scare you from most cities, then please stay home hide under your bed and masturbate thinking that the real men are not afraid of something with less chance of a lightening strike and are willing to go about our normal lives going where the timid are afraid to go.

I have spent most of a decade in places that just about every western government has said is off limits and only essential travel with massive and adequate security and I know more people from home who died in auto accidents than I know who were killed by bad guys. More drownings at home too. But am I afraid to go drive to the beach for a swim?

Yes take reasonable precautions, be situational aware, that is good advice in every place including like my home town a small city on the Canadian Prairie.

But please don't let one small bomb scare you or if you just cannot help it then please don't spread the fear.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2375759]And London, Montreal and even Oklahoma City.

If the idea that some bad guys may decide to set off a bomb is sufficient to scare you from most cities, then please stay home hide under your bed and masturbate thinking that the real men are not afraid of something with less chance of a lightening strike and are willing to go about our normal lives going where the timid are afraid to go.

I have spent most of a decade in places that just about every western government has said is off limits and only essential travel with massive and adequate security and I know more people from home who died in auto accidents than I know who were killed by bad guys. More drownings at home too. But am I afraid to go drive to the beach for a swim?

Yes take reasonable precautions, be situational aware, that is good advice in every place including like my home town a small city on the Canadian Prairie.

But please don't let one small bomb scare you or if you just cannot help it then please don't spread the fear.[/QUOTE]As one who has spent most of his professional lifetime, likely in some of the same places as KG, going to places that most people never get to go, of course I agree with Kabul Guy. If you're too afraid to travel, then stay home or take package tours to Jamaica, or Acapulco.

Today, my wife and I attended a wedding reception for about 400 people, at the Dusit Hotel in Davao. All of the guests with the exception of four or five of us, were the crème de la crème of Chinese / Filipino society here in Davao and there was probably more collective wealth in represented in that room than most of us will see in a lifetime. I'm guessing the reception had to cost $40-$50,000 US, and it might have been higher. My wife was seated next to a friend of hers, and I was seated next to two gorgeous Chinese-Filipino sisters who had recently returned from Denmark and Italy where they were attending a wedding in Copenhagen. Their English was, of course flawless, and they were as smart and interesting as any Western woman I've ever met. I'm guessing they were in their late 20's or early 30's. I couldn't help but think, as we were drinking French wine and eating mussels in curry sauce, about some of the recent conversations I've read on this forum, denigrating Filipinas for their perfidy, their dishonesty, and their greed, and on contrasting that with what I was seeing around me throughout the afternoon. It's simply amazing how easy it is to find sparkling companionship by raising one's sights above the bars. These are young women who would likely not be averse to dating foreigners, but I'm guessing would be leagues too high for the guys strolling around Fields Avenue. My point is simply that there are alternatives, not difficult to find for those interested.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2375810]As one who has spent most of his professional lifetime, likely in some of the same places as KG, going to places that most people never get to go, of course I agree with Kabul Guy. If you're too afraid to travel, then stay home or take package tours to Jamaica, or Acapulco.

......[/QUOTE]The crime statistics for those places are as high as for here, lots of warnings out there to never leave the tourist areas in Jamaica.

If you are stupid and do things to invite trouble then no place is safe. If you are smart and have some situational awareness and street smarts then most places are pretty safe, at least safe enough to get into, recognize a potential danger then get out all before bad shit happens.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2375756] So has Bali. So has Sydney. So has NYC. If you find walking around Davao scary then the rest of you post is pretty pointless.[/QUOTE]I don't find downtown Davao scary at all. I had posted an earlier reply telling the guy looking for SW where to find them. However, there is nothing relevant to do where before the hookers appear at 9 pm or so. I've been under pretty intensive fire so that stuff does not worry me undul; why. Some European subways are far more dangerous but they are different risks.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2375756] You are asking contradicting questions: where are the desperately poor, off the beaten track, untouched by white dicks, waiting in anticipation for one to arrive and ravish them? Yet they need to be in a quaint village, with easy access and egress and full healthcare facilities. Presumably nice hotels and western meals would also be a nice touch.[/QUOTE]Not at all. I am thinking of making a trip from Davao up along the Western way, if I do not go to Pagadian. All those small towns have their action but it seems no one has ever struck out along them. People do not evaluate terrorist risks like other risks. , which is why terrorists target tourists. No Western meals thanks and local hotels are fine.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2375756] These villages are untouched because they are difficult to get to. No white dick is there because an average monger is scared off. The desperately poor live there because it's such a shit hole that no one else will tolerate it. [/QUOTE]I have been in such towns before. It is a risk / reward trade off, as is terrorism. I've been in Davao when it was bombed. All it meant for me is being wary around the bus station. My brother toured the Pyramids immediately after a bus load of Israelis were executed. 5* hotels for $5 and extra tight security. He enjoyed it and the nice German woman he met.

It is not just because they are shit holes. The nature of the world has changed and opportunities have disappeared from the Spanish and French countrysides, to take two examples. Lovely places but not much to do. I've been in the slums of Davao with the Marco Polo servants and they have nothing to do outside of work but screw the women.

In many ways, I prefer to be with those people than those who exploit them. They are more fun and better in the sack too.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2375756] If you want to go to somewhere different, do just that. Find a town, big or small, take reasonable precautions, and just walk around, have something to eat or drink and have a look around. I bet there are many places within half a mile of Burgos St that have litterally never seen a white face. If you feel comfortable then just strike up a conversation and see what happens. If you feel uncomfortable just get up and leave. You will be surprised how welcoming these places are to an approachable stranger. FWIW, illegal miners, timber cutters and their camps are not at all scary. If you know how to behave. They are just working, desperate to feed their family. Behave properly and they are fine. Arrive unannounced at night and charge around throwing your money around and it could be a very dangerous situation.Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I intend to do just that. Previous steers I got to eg Vigan did not work out. I look for info, I dismiss most of it and try to follow up what I think may help. I have zero interest in "the crème de la crème of Chinese / Filipino society" and would not cross the road to be bored by them. Here is one plan A for me.

1. stay in a run down Davao hotel. Tip the guard 2000 PHP over a few days. Get a run of towns heading north west. I have a few links in Iligan and Ozamiz and would like to ferry across to Negros. I am not expecting for find a mini Angeles or Pattaya. I am trying to get away from them.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2375818]The crime statistics for those places are as high as for here, lots of warnings out there to never leave the tourist areas in Jamaica.

If you are stupid and do things to invite trouble then no place is safe. If you are smart and have some situational awareness and street smarts then most places are pretty safe, at least safe enough to get into, recognize a potential danger then get out all before bad shit happens.[/QUOTE]Acapulco's Zona Roja, where I have enjoyed many a good bonk, is risky as hell, a Gangs of New York type place. Great dancing, enough coke to put a continent high, wall to wall hookers who are as tough as nails. I know a young wman who goes to Jamaica for the local hung horses. Not for me.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2375810]

Today, my wife and I attended a wedding reception for about 400 people, at the Dusit Hotel in Davao. All of the guests with the exception of four or five of us, were the crme de la crme of Chinese / Filipino society here in Davao and there was probably more collective wealth in represented in that room than most of us will see in a lifetime. I'm guessing the reception had to cost $40-$50,000 US, and it might have been higher. My wife was seated next to a friend of hers, and I was seated next to two gorgeous Chinese-Filipino sisters who had recently returned from Denmark and Italy where they were attending a wedding in Copenhagen. Their English was, of course flawless, and they were as smart and interesting as any Western woman I've ever met. I'm guessing they were in their late 20's or early 30's. I couldn't help but think, as we were drinking French wine and eating mussels in curry sauce, about some of the recent conversations I've read on this forum, denigrating Filipinas for their perfidy, their dishonesty, and their greed, and on contrasting that with what I was seeing around me throughout the afternoon. It's simply amazing how easy it is to find sparkling companionship by raising one's sights above the bars. These are young women who would likely not be averse to dating foreigners, but I'm guessing would be leagues too high for the guys strolling around Fields Avenue. My point is simply that there are alternatives, not difficult to find for those interested.

GE.[/QUOTE]We fully take your point that the elite in Manila are equal to the elite anywhere else in the world. We know that the Chinese Filipinos control most of the wealth in this nation and through hard work, taking risk and by greasing the right palms, have achieved enormous success. Collaborating with the local Filipino ruling class has been the key.

You mention that your wealthy, urbane, chic friend would seriously consider dating foreigners. I put to you that amongst the mongering class, she would be of very little interest. By definition, us mongers have neither the time nor inclination to meet educated people for long term relationships in the Phillipines. We have access to similar at home. All that matters to us is instant gratification with Filipina prostitutes and one last orgasm before getting on the plane home at NAIA. It's a game.

As an example, I did arrange to have two dates with non-hookers in the Pampanga region. These were genuine, educated MILFs who had well paying managerial jobs. Perfect English, charming, well traveled and witty. I pulled out of both at the last minute. Why? Because I can get all that stress back home! Why work so hard to fuck a 35 year old when I can click a finger and get an 18 year old into my bed in 2 minutes flat? And what happens if they fall in love? A Filipina bride is certainly not on my wish list. Ever.

I am sure this lovely lady you have mentioned would be aghast if she discovered that her foreign boyfriend was a master monger. It would not be fair to anyone. I know that the Chinese are particularly careful about social status when it comes to matrimony. The boyfriend would have to be equally wealthy. However, rich men want to marry down, not up.

You describe the lavish wedding you attended in Davao. Many of us mongers also have access to that lifestyle in our own countries. It is quite passe. On this board, there are many wealthy business owners, corporate executives and entrepreneurs. Not every monger is an overweight, working class pensioner with leg ulcers in a motorised wheel chair.

The reason why we go to the Phillipines is for the dichotomy. On Monday, a monger could be in the executive boardroom in Chicago discussing the restructuring of a Fortune 500 company, and on Wednesday he could be incognito on Walking Street doing the AC shuffle with an 18 year old, illiterate nincompoop from Leyte. We do this because this is our hobby. This is our stress relief. What would be the point in pursuing a wealthy Filipina? We are not suited to commitment.

Many of us, to preserve our careers, social status and families, have become experts at hiding our hobby. This is the reason for the continuing diving / snorkeling charade. From the number of dive trips we've all had, we should all be certified chief master dive rescue instructors with four stripes by now and be on the PADI governing committee. I can assure you that the only diving that gets done is muff and ass diving.

When writing about Pinay hookers, the language is deliberately exaggerated, course, derogatory and sexist. This is done for humour, to amuse readers and to give the finger to the PC brigade who are trying to control our lives back in the west. Many of the observations and descriptions are appropriate for the hookers we are describing. Not for one moment have we suggested those descriptions apply to the educated class. I have often said that only you and RK have access to the elite and our knowledge is limited to what we can glean from the rice paddies of Eastern Samar.

The machismo spirit is alive in the Philippines and we like it. We like a few other things, but admin would just delete those posts if we went into any detail.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375877]......

As an example, I did arrange to have two dates with non-hookers in the Pampanga region. These were genuine, educated MILFs who had well paying managerial jobs. Perfect English, charming, well traveled and witty. I pulled out of both at the last minute. Why? Because I can get all that stress back home! ......[/QUOTE]However with the 35 year old educated pina's you can have the best of both worlds. They can be good company and be the submissive, do anything to please her man that her uneducated 18 year old sperm bucket sisters can do.

If being a monger is just wanting to stick your dick in any moist hole, then I am not a monger. I would like to have the 35 year old educated woman who would be a freak between the sheets and a queen on the streets, especially if she was willing to turn a blind eye to my occasional getting some strange pussy on occasion or better, willing to share some with me.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375877]
When writing about Pinay hookers, the language is deliberately exaggerated, course, derogatory and sexist. This is done for humour, to amuse readers and to give the finger to the PC brigade who are trying to control our lives back in the west. Many of the observations and descriptions are appropriate for the hookers we are describing. Not for one moment have we suggested those descriptions apply to the educated class. I have often said that only you and RK have access to the elite and our knowledge is limited to what we can glean from the rice paddies of Eastern Samar.

The machismo spirit is alive in the Philippines and we like it. We like a few other things, but admin would just delete those posts if we went into any detail.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the extended explication, and I take your point: there's a huge diversity of backgrounds, education levels, points of view and I restyles represented here. I get that. My only point, perhaps not sufficiently explained in the prior post, was that sweeping generalizations about an entire country, based on the observations of the behaviors and attitudes of a tiny sample, are not only inaccurate, but absurd.

As to the rest, there's no judgement involved, and all of us have enjoyed, at various times, the ready availability of firm, young and readily accommodating companions. In fact, the older I get (and I'm now seriously into senior citizenship) the more fortunate I often feel about the latter.

I meant to say “diversity of lifestyles” above, but for some reason, the software will not let me correct my mistake.

GE.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2376029] ....her uneducated 18 year old sperm bucket sisters can do....
.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's my ideal half hour, right there.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2376029]However with the 35 year old educated pina's you can have the best of both worlds. They can be good company and be the submissive, do anything to please her man that her uneducated 18 year old sperm bucket sisters can do.

If being a monger is just wanting to stick your dick in any moist hole, then I am not a monger. I would like to have the 35 year old educated woman who would be a freak between the sheets and a queen on the streets, especially if she was willing to turn a blind eye to my occasional getting some strange pussy on occasion or better, willing to share some with me.[/QUOTE]KG, I too would adopt your approach if I had the luxury of time in country. Unfortunately as a two week monger, I'm not getting any younger, so my tactic is find em, fuck em and leave em. I have an intense fear of missing out. It's all just head count for me now. LOL.

It's often said that there's only two things a man regrets on his death bed:

1. he didn't spend enough time with his children.

2. he didn't get enough pussy.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375877]...By definition, us mongers have neither the time nor inclination to meet educated people for long term relationships in the Phillipines. We have access to similar at home. All that matters to us is instant gratification with Filipina prostitutes and one last orgasm before getting on the plane home at NAIA. It's a game...[/QUOTE]Absolutely, instant gratification and diversity. Just can't beat that. As you correctly stated: "We have access to similar at home".

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2376060]Absolutely, instant gratification and diversity. Just can't beat that. As you correctly stated: "We have access to similar at home".[/QUOTE]You said it. I'll bonk a few Davao hisos I find on the street, then hit out along the trail, living off the Jolibee Daughters.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2376051]KG, I too would adopt your approach if I had the luxury of time in country. Unfortunately as a two week monger, I'm not getting any younger, so my tactic is find em, fuck em and leave em. I have an intense fear of missing out. It's all just head count for me now. LOL.

....[/QUOTE]We are all in different situations here. I have the luxury of time, I have had girls after a long time chatting, sometimes months before actual face to face meetings. You can get to know the girl and you have a better chance of getting a regular or good girl than a semi pro or a pro.

If I was only in and out on a 2 week cycle, I'd do much the same, did in fact my first few trips in country.

If you are on a regular cycle of coming here, as in a work meeting every other month, use your time out of country to set up meets.

You have much better luck on the dating sites getting chats going if you are actually here, or at least have a definite date of being here.

And of course it depends on what you want, if high numbers are your goal then your strategy is good, even for those of us who live here. Personally I would rather fuck a girl several times over a period of time as sex gets better each time for a while as you get to know each other. Of course since half the girls are below average in the bed, you can fuck and forget the substandard ones unless you also like their company enough to train and they are receptive to being trained.

I have one regular who was not that good at first, she was very shy and hesitant, had never given a BJ before. Now she will strip as soon as she enters my palace, undress me and start off with a stand up BJ. She loves to swallow or have me cum in her face, but that was a 4 month project.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2376306]I have one regular who was not that good at first, she was very shy and hesitant, had never given a BJ before. Now she will strip as soon as she enters my palace, undress me and start off with a stand up BJ. She loves to swallow or have me cum in her face, but that was a 4 month project.[/QUOTE]This is the joy of having the time to train an enthusiastic novice.

I think part of my / our assessment of the initial non-performers is their motivation and willingness to improve. The girls whom have set themselves a low standard and just want to get paid, they will only ever perform to the minimum level in order to get paid.

It's the girls whom want to perform better but don't yet have the skills or experience, are the ones I select for repeat visits and extra attention for training.

This latter group are also a dream for the next monger. And also a dream if we inherit one from a previous monger whom took the time to train them.

Good days.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2376368]This is the joy of having the time to train an enthusiastic novice.

I think part of my / our assessment of the initial non-performers is their motivation and willingness to improve. The girls whom have set themselves a low standard and just want to get paid, they will only ever perform to the minimum level in order to get paid.

It's the girls whom want to perform better but don't yet have the skills or experience, are the ones I select for repeat visits and extra attention for training.

This latter group are also a dream for the next monger. And also a dream if we inherit one from a previous monger whom took the time to train them.

Good days.[/QUOTE]WE need time to do that and some have it many don't as they are on a 10 day shagfest.

The joy of watching a girl be devirginized by another girl or have her backside gently penetrated or to eat her sister / friends or do threesome or moresomes and then love it and want more is as KG said a 'project' but worth it (I know LOL).

Time well spent IMHO.

They obviously have locals watching.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7541039/British-man-70-Filipina-wife-kidnapped-Philippines-beach-resort.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed[/URL]

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2378095]They obviously have locals watching.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7541039/British-man-70-Filipina-wife-kidnapped-Philippines-beach-resort.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed[/URL][/QUOTE]Given that this happened a few hundred km from Davao, I'm curious as to why you would post it in the Davao thread.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2378213]Given that this happened a few hundred km from Davao, I'm curious as to why you would post it in the Davao thread.

GE.[/QUOTE]Senor Morales and Chocha Monger are doing a very good in frightening away prospective mongers from Davao. That's a good thing GE, because it means more girls for you. (And me when I finally get there).

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2378260]Senor Morales and Chocha Monger are doing a very good in frightening away prospective mongers from Davao. That's a good thing GE, because it means more girls for you. (And me when I finally get there).[/QUOTE]Can you quantify that? How many have we frightened away? As I previously stated, I will be going back to Davao. As Pagadian was mentioned in the article, I will reconsider that place even though I have a lay there.

I prefer to know about the risks. Terrorism, ATM swindles than how many times some guy flush with cash scored.

I thought the story would be of interest to others, as it is to me, just as I would imagine any of you being kidnapped would be of interest. We have different informational desires here. I want information to protect me when I wander. You want to know wine lists. I want to eat durian with women who consider it a treat. You want to admire 5* toilets. I don't want to be kidnapped but I do want to hear about kidnaps. Real information to allow me assess things.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2378290]You want to admire 5* toilets.k[/QUOTE]Touché. I'm going to give you that Sir. You win. Hahaha. All good.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2378290]I prefer to know about the risks. Terrorism, ATM swindles than how many times some guy flush with cash scored.
We have different informational desires here. I want information to protect me when I wander. You want to know wine lists.[/QUOTE]Correct. I don't think the folk / s that were kidnapped, are comparing wine lists right now.

Mention of ATM reminded me of "Ol Joe" , who suffered for 30 odd years Parkinsons disease, and how the Davao City girls exploited him. Could happen anywhere in Phils I know, but happened in Davao City which is promoted as a safe place with wonderful wine lists.

Whilst Ol Joe was asleep the girls ran around Davao City emptying his ATM. When he got home, he had to face the music with his bank. Pretty low, doing that to an aged person fighting Parkinsons. And no, he should not have stayed home, he was a fighter, until he decided to commit suicide, about a year later. Lived not far from me, hence I know these things.

I first landed in Mindanao (Davao), in a DC3 on a grass patch, called an air strip, early 1970's. Very impressed with the people and the apparent safety of the place. Time changes, so too Davao City. Still a nice place, but of no use to me, after about 5/7 trips. I am not looking for a nice place, I am looking for a nice fuck. Plenty of other places where a guy can have fun, and where there is no problem with 'religious' issues.

I know one of the Wine List guys will read this, and have a go at me, but he is not a Monger, and thus is, as always, irrelevant.

"Fun, fun, its got to be fun, or forget it".

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2378444]
I know one of the Wine List guys will read this, and have a go at me, but he is not a Monger, and thus is, as always, irrelevant.

"Fun, fun, its got to be fun, or forget it".[/QUOTE]As one of the "Wine List guys" to whom your post is addressed, it might surprise you to learn that I agree with much of what you've said. Let me add however, for the benefit of other "wine list guys," there are only a few places here with decent wine lists, though the number is growing.

Davao's mongering scene (of which I took advantage for years) is less blatant than those of Makati / Ermita and Cebu, but not very difficult to find and the quality is, generally, reasonably high with lower prices that found in the other two cities mentioned. That said, Metro Manila and Cebu are likely better for point and click mongering. Surely there's nothing in Davao that comes close to Burgos Street in Makati, or the Mango area of Cebu, and I further agree that if mongering is the only thing on the agenda, then there are simpler alternatives.

Davao remains however, a very safe city and one that is protective of foreigners.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2378544]Davao's mongering scene (of which I took advantage for years) is less blatant than those of Makati / Ermita and Cebu, but not very difficult to find and the quality is, generally, reasonably high with lower prices that found in the other two cities mentioned.
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Davao remains however, a very safe city and one that is protective of foreigners.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE,

Who'se side are you on?

The narrative is: there are no good looking girls in DVO. NONE. They are all ugly and untouchable. Militia roam the streets looking to kidnap and behead any foreigner foolish enough to look around town.

Let's keep our stories consistent, lest the market become flooded with drooling new visiting mongers. 😁.

Cheers. G.

If every monger on this entire site went to Davao, San Pedro Street's strolling area would devour the lot of the. It is awash with pussy, though they are not to everyone's taste, catering as they do largely to a local taste (and Indoensian when Garuda lifts its game). Although Davao is relatively safe (even the Vatican is not pick pocket proof), not all the women are 100% safe. Some will try to rob you, no different from elsewhere.

So much for trying to frighten people away.

The Old Joe story is useful information to me, far more so that gold plated toilets.

Davao is a huge city, on the Australian lines one could say, stretches out for ever, not up. It is not a mongering destination and probably never will, as Duterte wants other fish to fry there. There are ex pats all over Mindanao, obvious exceptions of course. Most of them will have a local hooker / wife / whatever holding their hand and most will not stray too far, as the lady will keep their sacks drained.

This British bloke probably thought he was on an easy number like that. But he was being watched. These gangsters can range far and wide with their speed boats, so that is a pertinent point. They had spotters, so that is another.

The bus station in Davao is a major hub. Who is to say there are not spotters there, or further out?

To say Davao or any where else is a crime free Shangrila is nuts, There are heavy duty criminals everywhere, though they may not practice their craft everywhere. To take one small example, the women in Davao tell me they pay protection. Now why would they pay that and to whom? There are far more hookers there than are registered.

No different from anywhere else but that is the actual lie of the land.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2378290]Can you quantify that? How many have we frightened away? As I previously stated, I will be going back to Davao. As Pagadian was mentioned in the article, I will reconsider that place even though I have a lay there.[/QUOTE]I've never been south of Cebu / Bohol yet, but I would have no problems with Davao or CDO. Pagadian is in the Zamboanga Peninsula region, I would never go anywhere near there.

I did not realise Davao was a place for wine aficionados. We have read reports of Old Joe and Mr Clubfoot wandering the streets aimlessly, comparing wine tasting notes, before they keeled over. Which begs the question, isn't it too hot to drink red wine in the Philippines?

Having never drunk a glass of wine in the Philippines (us old railroad guys prefer Red Horse), I always imagine a glass of 2018 Syrah from the foothills of Mount Apo would just burn your throat when it is 95 degrees F outside with humidity to match.

In any case, the only chocolate, plum and coffee notes I want to taste are when I stick my tongue up a hot Pinay's date.

Engine Driver while I don't necessarily agree with everything you said I do find your post to be BLOODY FUNNY. I am a bit of a wine buff and would drink red wine in almost any surrounds. Also I am not sure of the necessity in "date tasting notes" too but the concept does make smile constantly. Keep up the good work and hope your poon hunting days are around for a while yet.

[QUOTE=Acejack;2379916] Keep up the good work and hope your poon hunting days are around for a while yet.[/QUOTE]The ideal resting place is beneath the vines with nubile Pinay LBFMs bringing jugs of red and white wines as we pose in our togas, as their cousins draw our portraits and recite Virgil to us. Davao has the jug carriers, the rest of Mindanao more so, rolling hills with buxom lassies waiting to be ravaged as their cousins paint our portraits and read Virgil to us.

Thailand has some good wines and China has lifted its game. The Philippines might get there yet. We can get in on the ground floor by bonking the wenches around San Pedro and explore safely beyond, as Aphrodite, Eos, Anteros.

Eros, Himeros, Hedylogos, Hermaphroditus, Hymen, Pothos, Pan, Peitho, Philotes, Priapus, Clubfoot and Old Joe do in the paradise that waits us all.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2379950] ......................The ideal resting place Clubfoot and Old Joe do in the paradise that waits us all.[/QUOTE]I believe the heaven that awaits us is called: "Whorist Heaven" , has anyone heard of it?

Word has it, that Clubfoot was quite rightly rejected at the Golden Gates (of Whorist Heaven) and sent downstairs to Hell!

Chocha Monger, do you have anything on this? Why would 'dearly departed' Clubfoot, be treated so?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2380197]I believe the heaven that awaits us is called: "Whorist Heaven" , has anyone heard of it?

Word has it, that Clubfoot was quite rightly rejected at the Golden Gates (of Whorist Heaven) and sent downstairs to Hell!

Chocha Monger, do you have anything on this? Why would 'dearly departed' Clubfoot, be treated so?[/QUOTE]The answer you seek lies in a wine lister's restaurant in Davao City. Enter, order a glass of French merlot, and look for the smoking man. He can enlighten you as to why the clubfooted one failed to enter the Elysian Fields. Apparently, the poor fella's last meal was a can of Friskies and a bottle of Night Train Express.

At 17.5% alcohol by volume, the Night Train is all business when it pulls into the station. All aboard to nowhere. Woo wooo! The night train runs only one route: sober to stupid with no roundtrip tickets available, and a strong likelihood of a train wreck along the way. This train-yard favorite is vinted and bottled by E&J Gallo Winery, in in Modesto, CA. Don't bother looking on their web page, because they dare not mention it there. As a clever disguise, the label says that it is made by "Night Train Limited. " Some suspect that Night Train is really just Thunderbird with some Kool-Aid-like substance added to try to mask the Clorox flavor. Some of our researchers indicated that it gave them a NyQuil-like drowsiness, and perhaps this is why they put "night" in the name.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2380254]The answer you seek lies in a wine lister's restaurant in Davao City. Enter, order a glass of French merlot, and look for the smoking man. He can enlighten you as to why the clubfooted one failed to enter the Elysian Fields. Apparently, the poor fella's last meal was a can of Friskies and a bottle of Night Train Express.

At 17.5% alcohol by volume, the Night Train is all business when it pulls into the station. All aboard to nowhere. Woo wooo! The night train runs only one route: sober to stupid with no roundtrip tickets available, and a strong likelihood of a train wreck along the way. This train-yard favorite is vinted and bottled by E&J Gallo Winery, in in Modesto, CA. Don't bother looking on their web page, because they dare not mention it there. As a clever disguise, the label says that it is made by "Night Train Limited. " Some suspect that Night Train is really just Thunderbird with some Kool-Aid-like substance added to try to mask the Clorox flavor. Some of our researchers indicated that it gave them a NyQuil-like drowsiness, and perhaps this is why they put "night" in the name.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your detailed and entertaining response. Yes, I shall ask the 'smoking gun' , I mean, 'smoking man' and find out why Clubfoot was refused entry. I wouldn't want it to happen to me!

You have all the intel on Clubfoot. I am receiving PM's asking me "who is Clubfoot" etc. Poor things, they never experienced him in person. CF will go down in mongering history. Well, he has 'gone down' (buried) , and we all hope he 'stays down' , LOL.

It's strange the guys know all about fucky fucky, and want to talk about it 'until the cows come home' , but other matters they 'know not'. Education is required and your (CM) the resident Professor of Prostitution on ISG. Often we have to refer to you for details, as is the case with Clubfoot.

Ol Joe:

Ol Joe, I wrote about in this Davao thread just recently, hope PM'ers read what I said there. Think enough info there. Maybe I should add:

"Before Ol Joe had his ATM cleaned out in Davao City (details in my post this thread) , he paid USA rates of hospitalization for cancer treatment in Phils, for his Filipino wife to be. With significant sums of Ol Joes cash she beat the cancer and migrated to Ol Joes country, and to repay his kindness, it was not long after arriving in his country, before she met a young guy, ran away with him, and also lodged complaints about Ol Joe to the police. This was apparently to protect her 'visa requirements' , that is, explain to government authorities, why she ran off from him, soon after arrival in the country. Police investigated and realized Ol Joe was very old and was affected by a serious case of Parkinsons disease. Elvis Presley never had a chance against Ol Joe, "shaking all over". The Police realized he had been conned.

So then, eventually he returned to the Philippines, and Davao City, where his ATM was cleaned out by his overnight girl / s. Large sum of money, that Joe did not know about until he returned home from his vacation. Joe 'shook' too much, the Davao girls he knew from previous trip / s. He trusted them, and must have given his ATM number to them, as he had severe 'shakes'. He trusted people, one of his mistakes, especially when dealing with our dearly beloved Filipinas. Consequently his local bank wanted their money back. Threatened to sell his house to recoup money. A homeless Parkinsons sufferer. Not a nice plight. Banks will do it, of course. Our banks anyway.

So, a combination of 30 plus years of Parkinsons, "Cancer Patient" doing a runner on him, ATM being emptied by Davao girls, he must have decided to exit Planet Earth (suicide) , which he did, about a year after ATM event.

Nowadays you can not trust anyone, unfortunately, regardless of their ethnicity.

Hope you can understand what I have written above, I suffer (don't we all, LOL) "attention span disorder". Especially when it comes to girls, "hit and run, hit and run". If I am approached by a girl in Phils who says "don't you remember me" ? I say, sorry I suffer from a medical condition 'attention span disorder'. That fucks them (stumps them).

Anyway, all those who sent me PM's re Ol Joe, its all here (same thread) in two posts of mine.

Regarding "Clubfoot" Chocha Monger has all the 'gen' on that, and for a bonus he might introduce you to 'Trim Keeper' too. It's up to him, be nice to him, and you might unearth some interesting stuff.

Fun, fun, its got to be fun.

Hey guys how are you all, so I am headed to the Phils soon and will have a couple days to myself as the wife heads to her home town. I am not headed there again unless I am armed probably not a good plan. So I might be I Davao not sure yet and I am looking to have some fun while she is gone. It is 12 hours one way to her home town and fuck me if I am going there again. So are there any reccomendations for Davao hell a place where a gentleman can get 2 ladies to fuck me silly. Which are the nice bars bikini or sports, or are the street girls any good to have a friend I am not worried if they are in there 30's as long as they are yummy looking and clean. I got to enjoy my time in Thailand before I met her and hell even had some alone time in Phuket a couple years ago. What are the chances of some Filipina milfs taking it in the ass.

[QUOTE=Thepongo;2382801]Hey guys how are you all, so I am headed to the Phils soon and will have a couple days to myself as the wife heads to her home town. I am not headed there again unless I am armed probably not a good plan. So I might be I Davao not sure yet and I am looking to have some fun while she is gone. It is 12 hours one way to her home town and fuck me if I am going there again. So are there any reccomendations for Davao hell a place where a gentleman can get 2 ladies to fuck me silly. Which are the nice bars bikini or sports, or are the street girls any good to have a friend I am not worried if they are in there 30's as long as they are yummy looking and clean. I got to enjoy my time in Thailand before I met her and hell even had some alone time in Phuket a couple years ago. What are the chances of some Filipina milfs taking it in the ass.[/QUOTE]Yes, well a good idea would be to wine and dine at the Smoking Gun. Have a look at posts below. If no name of restaurant ask here for name and directions. Owner should be able to point you in the direction of some hookers. You will need intel before you arrive, cause Davao works at a slow pace, hence importance of that restaurant mentioned somewhere below, and proprietor. Don't take your wife to that Restaurant, staff working there might spill the beans to your wife.

My favourite 'backwater' / 'outpost' . Davao City, but not for sex, LOL.

One day, I might put a pic of a girl I had in Davao, think it was in the 1st Millenium. There is always exceptions, and she certainly was that. Would rank in my top ten, covering 45 years of whoring touring. Perhaps you will have the same luck, but hopefully, not the same girl.

[QUOTE=Thepongo;2382801]Hey guys how are you all, so I am headed to the Phils soon and will have a couple days to myself as the wife heads to her home town. I am not headed there again unless I am armed probably not a good plan. So I might be I Davao not sure yet and I am looking to have some fun while she is gone. It is 12 hours one way to her home town and fuck me if I am going there again. So are there any reccomendations for Davao hell a place where a gentleman can get 2 ladies to fuck me silly. Which are the nice bars bikini or sports, or are the street girls any good to have a friend I am not worried if they are in there 30's as long as they are yummy looking and clean. I got to enjoy my time in Thailand before I met her and hell even had some alone time in Phuket a couple years ago. What are the chances of some Filipina milfs taking it in the ass.[/QUOTE]A few things are not clear here. What is the reference to mongering in Thailand about? Do you have to be in Davao? There are better places to get the action you are seeking than in Davao. Why can't you place yourself in Manila, Cebu or AC while your wife proceeds to her shithole?

If you are legally married to a Filipina, and you fuck hookers in the Philippines on the side and she finds out, you risk time in the slammer. Haha. True.

Because of the stress and humiliation that she suffers after discovering your affair, she may file a case under the Anti-Violence Against Women and their Children Law, or Anti-VAWC for short. Abuse under the Anti-VAWC is not limited to physical violence. It also includes sexual violence, economic abuse (when the partner commits acts that make the woman financially dependent on him), and psychological violence.

Psychological violence is any act or omission that causes mental or emotional suffering to the victim. Thus, you are liable for the psychological and emotional suffering that you have caused your lovely wife.

Furthermore, your wife may file a complaint for concubinage against you and your hooker. Article 334 of the Philippine Revised Penal Code states that concubinage is committed by "Any husband who shall keep a mistress in the conjugal dwelling, or shall have sexual intercourse, under scandalous circumstances, with a woman who is not his wife, or shall cohabit with her in any other place. " The key term here is "scandalous circumstances". LOL.

Are you sure you still want to fuck those two hookers up the ass while your wife is visiting her relatives at her shithole? Don't worry, if it all turns to shit (no pun intended), we shall all visit you in Bilibid and will remember to bring you a jar of Vaseline so it's not so painful. LOL.

[QUOTE=Thepongo;2382801] So are there any reccomendations for Davao........ What are the chances of some Filipina milfs taking it in the ass.[/QUOTE]These have already been answered. And ye, duck eggs, durian and Château Lafite-Rothschild 1990 (a snip st $10 k a bottle. Ya got to think with the big head though. Davao is not a tourist destination. A tourist destination is a place idle people go to take selfies and get laid. Angeles, Cebu and Disneyland are examples of such places. Loggers' camps, duck egg farms and Davao do not focus on the tourist trade. They are more into Red Horse, coq au vin, beef bourguignon why confit de canard, with some tarte tatin to round things off. If you ask for two hookers to take it up the Khaiber Pass, you will be politely told that is off the menu. Davao is for those ofg us with a dleicate palate, who find Makati and places a little flashy and who prefer to get our ladies off the street, poor, cheap and sans condom.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2382839]
If you are legally married to a Filipina, and you fuck hookers in the Philippines on the side and she finds out, you risk time in the slammer. Haha. True.[/QUOTE]There is no "if". Have an anal gangbang with hookers in your wife's province and she and her friends / family WILL find out. Pongo can then pray that he has paid everyone enough incentive to look the other way and pretend nothing happened. If she / they become embarrassed and enraged then ED is right: he's in for a hell of a ride.

All the things he mentioned are available in Davao. But seriously why would someone even look in his wife's back yard when they are available at any number of locations?

If I'm totaly mistaken and banging away in the wife's back yard is indeed a good idea, everything listed is available in the central area around the casino / People's Park. Except the bikini bars: there the quality isn't great as the lookers are in the KTVs.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Thepongo;2382801].... I am not headed there again unless I am armed probably not a good plan. ....[/QUOTE]To be clear, foreigner plus any weapon (knife etc) will equal deportation, foreigner plus firearm will result in jail time, even if you use one owned by your wife in self defense.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2383159]To be clear, foreigner plus any weapon (knife etc) will equal deportation, foreigner plus firearm will result in jail time, even if you use one owned by your wife in self defense.[/QUOTE]Agreed. To be clear (er) any one getting into and remaining in a situation that warrants deadly weapons anywhere in Asia is incredibly foolish (I'm being polite &#128513.

Pongo has done the right thing by avoiding the situation all together.

Enjoy. G.

Thanks for the advice about Davao maybe I wll get her to leave me in Bohol so I can go diving. The diving looks like ot sucks in Davao, now on that note her home is a 10 hour drive from Davao in Zomboanga Sibugay, as for the charges wow guys if that was the case half my inlaws would be in jail. As for the being armed I know some of the laws and it could be rough but if I went to her province it would be with my wife her Brother and all registered in his name. Funny story though the last time we went there we went through some army check points, at every last one I showed my ID and they all pulled me out and we started going over there weapons inside out of view I am in my countrys army. It was dicey the last time we went a year before Marawi and I got some looks I remember from some Afghans. But yeah maybe I will look at Bohol and say ok when are you going to be back and meet her in Cebu.

A chick I know down in Abu Sayyaf territory said there was an earthquake today in Mindanao. Are all mongers, sexpats and wine bottles accounted for? Haha.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2386298]A chick I know down in Abu Sayyaf territory said there was an earthquake today in Mindanao. Are all mongers, sexpats and wine bottles accounted for? Haha.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. I was talking to a chick in Davao Occ and thought I would boost my street cred by saying I was in town when the big earthquake went through 18 months ago. She was unimpressed and just said "which one? We get them all the time. ".

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2386303]Hahaha. I was talking to a chick in Davao Occ and thought I would boost my street cred by saying I was in town when the big earthquake went through 18 months ago. She was unimpressed and just said "which one? We get them all the time. ".

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all of your concern gentlemen. Today we had the strongest quake I've ever felt here. I think it measured 6. 4 according to one news source. Happily my wine bottles survived intact, though, since the electricity died immediately as the electric transformer blew within seconds of the start of the quake, my ability to keep the wines at the appropriate temperature has suffered. I'm worried about a couple of the Margaux.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2386310]I'm worried about a couple of the Margaux.

GE.[/QUOTE]Pfft. Don't be. No self-respecting trike driver would be seen washing his feet in that cheap French plonk!

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2386310]I'm worried about a couple of the Margaux.

GE.[/QUOTE]Only one thing to do GE, drink up and enjoy. I hope everybody in Davao is ok.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2386384]Pfft. Don't be. No self-respecting trike driver would be seen washing his feet in that cheap French plonk![/QUOTE]Strange you should say that, saw one doing just that, the other day. Davao City, aka, Backwater / Outpost town.

To each his own, Cheers.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2386310]Thanks for all of your concern gentlemen. Today we had the strongest quake I've ever felt here. I think it measured 6. 4 according to one news source. Happily my wine bottles survived intact, though, since the electricity died immediately as the electric transformer blew within seconds of the start of the quake, my ability to keep the wines at the appropriate temperature has suffered. I'm worried about a couple of the Margaux.

GE.[/QUOTE]Apologies for the lack of culture and class here GE. Charlie's here only know about 2 buck Chuck and Red Horse. Meanwhile they will rail about Filipina's lack of culture and intelligence.

Hope you will enjoy your stock of Margaux.

Engine Driver. Stop drinking red horse and clear your inbox. Thanks.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2386310]Thanks for all of your concern gentlemen. Today we had the strongest quake I've ever felt here. I think it measured 6. 4 according to one news source. Happily my wine bottles survived intact, though, since the electricity died immediately as the electric transformer blew within seconds of the start of the quake, my ability to keep the wines at the appropriate temperature has suffered. I'm worried about a couple of the Margaux.[/QUOTE]GE, your Inbox is full.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2387136]GE, your Inbox is full.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I cleared some space.

I was back in Davao last week, and after a few days in Cebu, I was back at the Marco Polo. I always raise a glass to DS, despite never meeting him.

What was more concerning was the 6. 5 quake that morning, as we were on the 15th Floor, the building shaked a lot, with a lot of swaying.

My GF who lives in Davao, was very scared, I was not.

We relaxed a bit, and then I looked out of the window, to see that the Security Guards had locked down access to the hotel, and with a few more light wobbles I decided to evacuate down the stairs.

What followed is a completely unacceptable discovery that the Earthquake response at the MP, failed in potentially very serious ways.

There was no Alarm, there was no Voice Evacuation message, there was no phone call to the room. There should have been.

I had a couple of conversations with the Front Desk over this, and to be honest, I probably would not return to the MP, they failed in their duty to alert guests in my view.

Also, as an aside, there was a Siren test at the resort we stayed at in Cebu. We were outside at the pool when the test was supposed to occur, never heard that also.

There have been quite a few significant quakes in Davao recently. Perhaps signs the Volcano may be waking.

[QUOTE=PBtoCobra;2388623]There was no Alarm, there was no Voice Evacuation message, there was no phone call to the room. There should have been..[/QUOTE]I am sure the workplace trainee at the front desk took it very seriously.

You know it's the Philippines right? You really do not want to ask too many questions or dig too deep on safety.

Try asking how many people have CPR experience? First aid? Basic supplies? Etc etc. The place exists on complacency and ignorance.

You did the right thing to get yourself out of the building.

[QUOTE=PBtoCobra;2388623]I was back in Davao last week, and after a few days in Cebu, I was back at the Marco Polo. I always raise a glass to DS, despite never meeting him.

What was more concerning was the 6. 5 quake that morning, as we were on the 15th Floor, the building shaked a lot, with a lot of swaying.

My GF who lives in Davao, was very scared, I was not.

We relaxed a bit, and then I looked out of the window, to see that the Security Guards had locked down access to the hotel, and with a few more light wobbles I decided to evacuate down the stairs.

What followed is a completely unacceptable discovery that the Earthquake response at the MP, failed in potentially very serious ways.

There was no Alarm, there was no Voice Evacuation message, there was no phone call to the room. There should have been.

I had a couple of conversations with the Front Desk over this, and to be honest, I probably would not return to the MP, they failed in their duty to alert guests in my view.

Also, as an aside, there was a Siren test at the resort we stayed at in Cebu. We were outside at the pool when the test was supposed to occur, never heard that also.

There have been quite a few significant quakes in Davao recently. Perhaps signs the Volcano may be waking.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the Philippines Sir!

What do you expect? Someone to put their lives in danger for you? At less 400 pesos a day?

Most workers are on 6 months contracts and back out on the streets looking for a new job. Employers do not bother training staff. They would have to train new staff members every 6 months.

Disaster plans? Yes, everyone is on their own.

If you find yourself out the 6th story window looking for fire truck hook and ladder? Better to start tying bed sheet together for at least 5 stories!

Btw, I am truly disappointed in DS. He left his kids in poverty when he could have registered them with the USA embassy and provided them with something. DS didn’t take care of business.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2388906]Welcome to the Philippines Sir!

What do you expect? Someone to put their lives in danger for you? At less 400 pesos a day?


Disaster plans? Yes, everyone is on their own.

Btw, I am truly disappointed in DS. He left his kids in poverty when he could have registered them with the USA embassy and provided them with something. DS didnt take care of business.[/QUOTE]Your comments about disaster planning are spot on. The very best you can do is to plan in advance, what you will do in case of a disaster. I was on the 16th floor of a high rise in Mexico City when 'the big one" struck there decades ago. There were no sirens, no announcements, and no instructions of any kind disseminated by the hotel. Don't look for anything different here.

As to DS, I'm glad to report that each of his kids now has a US Passport and a a financial settlement. I won't go into details as to how this happened, but in the end, they were at least partially taken care of.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2388926]Your comments about disaster planning are spot on. The very best you can do is to plan in advance, what you will do in case of a disaster. I was on the 16th floor of a high rise in Mexico City when 'the big one" struck there decades ago. There were no sirens, no announcements, and no instructions of any kind disseminated by the hotel. Don't look for anything different here.

As to DS, I'm glad to report that each of his kids now has a US Passport and a a financial settlement. I won't go into details as to how this happened, but in the end, they were at least partially taken care of.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE,

Glad to hear the kids got taken care of. I am sure some kind people had to do the leg work for them and advance funds on their behalf.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2388926]Your comments about disaster planning are spot on. The very best you can do is to plan in advance, what you will do in case of a disaster. I was on the 16th floor of a high rise in Mexico City when 'the big one" struck there decades ago. There were no sirens, no announcements, and no instructions of any kind disseminated by the hotel. Don't look for anything different here.

As to DS, I'm glad to report that each of his kids now has a US Passport and a a financial settlement. I won't go into details as to how this happened, but in the end, they were at least partially taken care of.

GE.[/QUOTE]This was not my first trip to Davao, and I am fairly well travelled, so honestly, I had no expectations as to what should have happened.

What I asked at the front desk, is what should have happened, and they told me what they do in the event of a quake. They failed to follow their own procedures.

So, now I know what to do.

Also, my day job, is very much linked to People not doing what they should be doing. So I am a bit of a Process Geek, Troubleshooter, and Coach.

Glad to head DS's children have been looked after.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2389296]In whose culture? Are you another self righteous American telling others what they can and cant do? This is a mongering forum FFS. If you want etiquette and polite conversation, I suggest you go on the Disney Channel.

In my culture, we dont sugar coat. We give it with both barrels[/QUOTE]Well said, couldn't be any clearer than that. To the Disney Channel you go, LOL!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2388906]
Btw, I am truly disappointed in DS. He left his kids in poverty when he could have registered them with the USA embassy and provided them with something. DS didnt take care of business.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised your post didn't get deleted for offending certain sensitive mongers. Soon this forum will be like a liberal arts college in California. BTW, when is the beatification of DS?

A note to all:

Instead of dobbing people in all the time to the moderator, can we please just let the conversation flow? This censoring of posts because they offer another view is all rather childish. That's what the MSM and the Democrats do.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2389480]I'm surprised your post didn't get deleted for offending certain sensitive mongers. Soon this forum will be like a liberal arts college in California. BTW, when is the beatification of DS?

A note to all:

Instead of dobbing people in all the time to the moderator, can we please just let the conversation flow? This censoring of posts because they offer another view is all rather childish. That's what the MSM and the Democrats do.[/QUOTE]I am sure posts get deleted because they either break the forum rules or are an affront to basic decency, despite this being a sex forum. They don't get deleted, as you spuriously assert, because of the sensitivities of mongers or because of contra views.

Have eaten here many times and never a bad meal. Waitresses are sweet and attentive and the place has a nice bar as well. A bit hard to find off of J Rizal street but worth it. Mix clientele of foreigners and Filipinos. I am sure GE has been here as he appreciates good dinners.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2389874]Have eaten here many times and never a bad meal. Waitresses are sweet and attentive and the place has a nice bar as well. A bit hard to find off of J Rizal street but worth it. Mix clientele of foreigners and Filipinos. I am sure GE has been here as he appreciates good dinners.[/QUOTE]+1 on the good food and atmosphere.

Heading back to the Peoples Park area there are also several massage shops that will help you work of the additional calories 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2389874]Have eaten here many times and never a bad meal. Waitresses are sweet and attentive and the place has a nice bar as well. A bit hard to find off of J Rizal street but worth it. Mix clientele of foreigners and Filipinos. I am sure GE has been here as he appreciates good dinners.[/QUOTE]Yes, the owner has been a close friend for years. In my opinion, DBK has the best steaks in Davao, and it's the only place I know of in which to get a real baked potato. The menu is huge and varied and the emphasis is on well-prepared Western comfort-type food. For those who might have difficulty finding the place, it's on Rizal St diagonally across the street from a Metrobank.

GE.

[QUOTE=Python75;2389871]I am sure posts get deleted because they either break the forum rules or are an affront to basic decency, despite this being a sex forum. They don't get deleted, as you spuriously assert, because of the sensitivities of mongers or because of contra views.[/QUOTE]Yeah nah. There are grown men on this forum (geriatrics actually), that go running off to the Moderator, bawling their eyes out, because their feelings are hurt. That's what irritates me. And using censorship as a weapon to silence opposing views. No wonder this forum is going to the dogs.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2390073].... DBK has the best steaks in Davao, and it's the only place I know of in which to get a real baked potato. ....
[/QUOTE]Good dead cow is hard to get here. Might have to drive down to Davao to check it out.

I really miss a good roast beef, how with mashed potatoes, gravy and veggies or cold in a rye bread sandwich with hot mustard.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2389874]Have eaten here many times and never a bad meal. Waitresses are sweet and attentive and the place has a nice bar as well. A bit hard to find off of J Rizal street but worth it. Mix clientele of foreigners and Filipinos. I am sure GE has been here as he appreciates good dinners.[/QUOTE]This is a good restaurant Nightrider. Have eaten here before (with GE some times) and never been disappointed. Am not an alcohol lover so ant vouch g=for the wine list except it looked good. But the food is tasty and the steaks excellent.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2390121]Good dead cow is hard to get here. Might have to drive down to Davao to check it out.

I really miss a good roast beef, how with mashed potatoes, gravy and veggies or cold in a rye bread sandwich with hot mustard.[/QUOTE]DBK has excellent hot roast beef with the trimmings. For your sandwich, you'll have to go to Swiss Deli, about a 20 minute drive away.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2390309]DBK has excellent hot roast beef with the trimmings. For your sandwich, you'll have to go to Swiss Deli, about a 20 minute drive away.

GE.[/QUOTE]KG, keep in mind, while he does have a very good menu, that he is also happy to accommodate reasonable requests. If he has the ingredients etc he will do his best to fulfill what you have asked for.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2356714] ... I've had several friends who have rented condos on Magallanes (sp,) St. And have been quite satisfied with them. ...
GE.[/QUOTE]Additional info:

Seems Magellanes was affected by the recent earthquakes.

Found this in an ad, when looking for apartments:

"The unit is in Loredo building, which has not been condemned or had use restricted as a result of the recent earthquakes"

Yes, mine was a pre-quake post. I think that two of the three buildings have been evacuated, so it's not longer a viable possibility.

GE.

[QUOTE=HotForever;2393704]Additional info:

Seems Magellanes was affected by the recent earthquakes.

Found this in an ad, when looking for apartments:

"The unit is in Loredo building, which has not been condemned or had use restricted as a result of the recent earthquakes"[/QUOTE]

I'm ready with my Sex-vacation planing for 2020 and it will be 2 x Cebu (Mai / June and again in November).

I'm thinking of going to Davao for a few days in between, but I'm considering if its worth it?

Are the Online Girls there are also open minded like in Cebu? And good availability?

And can please someone recommend me an guestfreindly Hotel in Davao up to about 35 $. Without ID Checks would be great.

It seems Davao is off the map until New Year.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2444016]It seems Davao is off the map until New Year.[/QUOTE]Well, so much for the Pig Meat Festivals in that backwater. Do you think your favorite bagel shop will still be around in 2021? How many geriatric expats succumbed to the deathly Wuhan bat virus in the city? With their passing there will be no more fine dining complete with bottles of Chateau Lafite Rothschild.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2444397]Well, so much for the Pig Meat Festivals in that backwater. Do you think your favorite bagel shop will still be around in 2021? How many geriatric expats succumbed to the deathly Wuhan bat virus in the city? With their passing there will be no more fine dining complete with bottles of Chateau Lafite Rothschild.[/QUOTE]Chateau Lafite Rothschild will probably take a hot. Maybe Medeira fortified wine will do the trick. It worked for the British against cholera and so on. I doubt either Chateau Lafite Rothschild or Red Horse will do the trick.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2444502]Chateau Lafite Rothschild will probably take a hot. Maybe Medeira fortified wine will do the trick. It worked for the British against cholera and so on. I doubt either Chateau Lafite Rothschild or Red Horse will do the trick.[/QUOTE]You would have a hard time tracking down a bottle of Madeira Bastardo in that godforsaken backwater of Davao. The locals are not exactly connoisseurs of fine wines and the expats can only afford Night Train.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2444610]You would have a hard time tracking down a bottle of Madeira Bastardo in that godforsaken backwater of Davao. The locals are not exactly connoisseurs of fine wines and the expats can only afford Night Train.[/QUOTE]I often wonder what those erudite, French speaking Filipinos will do for food, now that the fine restaurants serving haute French cuisine have closed. Shit, those octogenarian expats with marshmallow cocks who ran those joints in that backwater can't even leave the house.

I suspect those upper crust locals won't starve. They will go back to eating rice and sardines, washed down with Red Horse, like they did many years ago before white man arrived.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2414222]I'm ready with my Sex-vacation planing for 2020 and it will be 2 x Cebu (Mai / June and again in November).

I'm thinking of going to Davao for a few days in between, but I'm considering if its worth it?

Are the Online Girls there are also open minded like in Cebu? And good availability?

And can please someone recommend me an guestfreindly Hotel in Davao up to about 35 $. Without ID Checks would be great.[/QUOTE]I would think it is far too early for you to be planning any mongering holidays to the Philippines. No one has any idea what the world will look like in 6 months time. We do not know what laws will exist regarding movement of people, airlines and hotels might close for good, and LBFMs might move permanently to the provinces. Everyone is expecting major economic chaos, even if some of the restrictions are lifted once the Wuhan virus is under control. Many financial experts believe world stockmarkets will crash once the full economic impact is digested.

Best to keep your money. In any case, if the situation improves next year, you don't need much planning to get to Flipsville, apart from packing a pair of flip flops. I was going to say packing a couple of boxes of condoms, but then realized that was totally stupid as all the action is BBFSCIP or BBFSCIA. Hahahahahaha.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2445042]I would think it is far too early for you to be planning any mongering holidays to the Philippines. No one has any idea what the world will look like in 6 months time. We do not know what laws will exist regarding movement of people, airlines and hotels might close for good, and LBFMs might move permanently to the provinces. Everyone is expecting major economic chaos, even if some of the restrictions are lifted once the Wuhan virus is under control. Many financial experts believe world stockmarkets will crash once the full economic impact is digested.

Best to keep your money. In any case, if the situation improves next year, you don't need much planning to get to Flipsville, apart from packing a pair of flip flops. I was going to say packing a couple of boxes of condoms, but then realized that was totally stupid as all the action is BBFSCIP or BBFSCIA. Hahahahahaha.[/QUOTE]Yes. The worst is yet to come. Mongers are better off saving their powder for the hardships ahead. Virologists are predicting an even larger death count for the Reaper in winter, as the Wuhan virus and influenza will tag team the geriatrics with fatal effects during the second wave of the pandemic.

When the economic disaster strikes, septuagenarian mongers in academia will be the first to go as the jackbooted feminist chancellors will dismiss those male dinosaurs in favor of retaining female faculty members. Many will find themselves getting an early involuntary retirement just when they can least afford it. Retirement to Flipsville to root young hookers with asymptomatic cases of the Wuhan bat virus will be suicide at that point.

The world is still largely in the denial stage when it comes to the economic, political, and social consequences that are coming in the wake of the virus. Mongers will find the thought of BBFSCIP, BBBJCIM, and BBFSCIA frivolous compared to the troubles they shall soon see.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2444738]I often wonder what those erudite, French speaking Filipinos will do for food, now that the fine restaurants serving haute French cuisine have closed. Shit, those octogenarian expats with marshmallow cocks who ran those joints in that backwater can't even leave the house.

I suspect those upper crust locals won't starve. They will go back to eating rice and sardines, washed down with Red Horse, like they did many years ago before white man arrived.[/QUOTE]That seems like a Treasure Island / Long Johns' Silver diet. What did they use for flavoring or dare I ask? If there is no French wine, I can't see myself making the trip. The Philippines seems too risky anyway as it all depends what Duterte might do from one second to the next.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2444738]I often wonder what those erudite, French speaking Filipinos will do for food, now that the fine restaurants serving haute French cuisine have closed. Shit, those octogenarian expats with marshmallow cocks who ran those joints in that backwater can't even leave the house.
[/QUOTE]Just to allay your fears, and in response to your obvious concern for the wellbeing of Davao-based Francophiles, the supply of French wines remains robust and easily accessible. Though restaurants remain closed for dine-in clients, most restaurants, including those serving la cuisine française are open for delivery services. One does the best one can under such trying circumstances but noblesse oblige.

GE.

News reports are saying Marco Polo Davao will close its doors indefinitely, effective June 15th. Lots of us have many good memories there. It's really sad for all the people who work there. Lots of governments and businesses have tough choices ahead.

Hi friends,

I was in Davao 5-6 years ago and I was in the earthy heaven. I could fuck every girl I met. Yet I am not young. I would like to know if Davao now is like 5-6 years ago or something has changed.

Thanks for your info.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2455365]Hi friends,

I was in Davao 5-6 years ago and I was in the earthy heaven. I could fuck every girl I met. Yet I am not young. I would like to know if Davao now is like 5-6 years ago or something has changed.

Thanks for your info.[/QUOTE]Very easy to score with prostitutes and fuck them at will.

Try walking into a Davao bank and see if you can score with that cutie sitting behind her desk, or the insurance salesgirl etc.

Always found Davao good girls to be the most conservative of all pinays and the very few prostitutes on offer to be of the lowest standards in looks.

It looks like many months / years will pass until tourism starts to pick up in Davao city due to the ongoing bad rap it has for Muslim problems and covid 19.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2455365]Hi friends,

I was in Davao 5-6 years ago and I was in the earthy heaven. I could fuck every girl I met. Yet I am not young. I would like to know if Davao now is like 5-6 years ago or something has changed.

Thanks for your info.[/QUOTE]Depends on what you want and how you act. Some go and have a great time (like me). Some go and find it boring.

I will say that there are tonnes of hotties everywhere but whether you get to bed them is a totally different matter.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2455365]Hi friends,

I was in Davao 5-6 years ago and I was in the earthy heaven. I could fuck every girl I met. Yet I am not young. I would like to know if Davao now is like 5-6 years ago or something has changed.

Thanks for your info.[/QUOTE]When I was there I rarely if ever paid directly for it. Had some dates got laid possibly every time, had many performance call backs. Its off the beaten path and girls know that man whote guys have a bigger dicka and simply treat them better,. Be nice be patient and be entertaining.

And I had no jealous behavior.

Play the dating apps.

Lots to enjoy.

PP.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2455365]Hi friends,

I was in Davao 5-6 years ago and I was in the earthy heaven. I could fuck every girl I met. Yet I am not young. I would like to know if Davao now is like 5-6 years ago or something has changed.

Thanks for your info.[/QUOTE]What is your diet that you can be a human jack rabbit? It is a little richer and Duterte is a little more entrenched but that should not put a ram like you off your game. Long way to go for a root, though.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2455457]What is your diet that you can be a human jack rabbit? It is a little richer and Duterte is a little more entrenched but that should not put a ram like you off your game. Long way to go for a root, though.[/QUOTE]I have no secrets and I can tell you everything. My diet is Viagra. Ahahahahahah.

But the girls were passionate about me even just talking to me. A girl had fallen into depression because I had stopped writing to her. I had a lot of girls and I didn't like her very much, but she made me promise to meet her in the park for even 10 minutes only. Every year she writes me 4-5 times telling me that she has fallen in love with me. She also wrote to me 2 days ago.

Maybe she will have known from her friends that I have a big and hard cock ahahahaha.

This was Davao 5 years ago.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2455609]I have no secrets and I can tell you everything. My diet is Viagra. Ahahahahahah.

But the girls were passionate about me even just talking to me. A girl had fallen into depression because I had stopped writing to her. I had a lot of girls and I didn't like her very much, but she made me promise to meet her in the park for even 10 minutes only. Every year she writes me 4-5 times telling me that she has fallen in love with me. She also wrote to me 2 days ago.

Maybe she will have known from her friends that I have a big and hard cock ahahahaha.

This was Davao 5 years ago.[/QUOTE]Sounds pretty much like a "mom's basement" fantasy to me. But to answer your vague questions with an equally vague response, Davao is alive and well and slowly emerging from the COVID-19 lockdown cocoon. On the off chance that you've actually visited here you must know that, unlike Manila and even Cebu, there are only a limited number of "point and click" places here and much of the action appears to be online. Of course for a stud muffin like yourself I assume that just walking down the street or strolling through a mall would have the women thronging to your side and begging to be with you.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2455658]Of course for a stud muffin like yourself I assume that just walking down the street or strolling through a mall would have the women thronging to your side and begging to be with you.

GE.[/QUOTE]And if that fails GE he could then adopt the next subtlety which to walk up to any lady in the mall he likes and ask ' Can I F**k you please, here is my hotel room and number' That always worked for me as you know I am a great stud muffin also.

I don't mind because nobody can understand my question and nobody answers me. Maybe my English isn't good, or maybe I'm kidding myself. Ajajajaja I repeat with other aprole: is it easy to fuck regular girls in Davao like 5-6 years ago or is it more difficult?

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2455731]I don't mind because nobody can understand my question and nobody answers me. Maybe my English isn't good, or maybe I'm kidding myself. Ajajajaja I repeat with other aprole: is it easy to fuck regular girls in Davao like 5-6 years ago or is it more difficult?[/QUOTE]We all understand you JL. Looking at your past history it is full of questions like this. Mainly in Africa asking about how girls shag, how to speak with them, complaining that some offer limited information to another inane question.

Simple put, go to Davao, find out your self and lets us all know post COVID 19 what Davao is like for mongers. Things constantly change in this world so does mongering so be the first to contribute about Davao.

It is easy to shag regular girls anywhere if you have a game plan, are hygienic and don't smell like an ashtray / sewer / or alcohol etc and are respectful. Why would it be any different anywhere in the world?

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2455365]Hi friends,

I was in Davao 5-6 years ago and I was in the earthy heaven. I could fuck every girl I met. Yet I am not young. I would like to know if Davao now is like 5-6 years ago or something has changed.

Thanks for your info.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are a real ram and have no problem studding all the girls in Davao. You should find it even easier to stud the LBFMs in Davao this time around, as remittances are down and not many sex tourists around except for a the usual married mongers who are on a tight leash. It looks like you already have some jealous fans. Hahaha!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2455841]Sounds like you are a real ram and have no problem studding all the girls in Davao. You should find it even easier to stud the LBFMs in Davao this time around, as remittances are down and not many sex tourists around except for a the usual married mongers who are on a tight leash. It looks like you already have some jealous fans. Hahaha![/QUOTE]2023 is the Year of the Rabbit &, 2029 the Year of the Rooster. Maybe Davao could have a festival The Year of the Ram, where the decrepit trike drivers bring their sweeties for a 3 hole rogering by King Ram. Help the economy bounce back.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2455841]Sounds like you are a real ram and have no problem studding all the girls in Davao. You should find it even easier to stud the LBFMs in Davao this time around, as remittances are down and not many sex tourists around except for a the usual married mongers who are on a tight leash. It looks like you already have some jealous fans. Hahaha![/QUOTE]Yes, you are right! You have just scored goals. I don't have a lot of free time in my trips and I like to study before leaving.

I don't see LBFMs in: [URL]http://internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_wsgforum_01[/URL]#faq_faq_terms.

Whats is this?

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2455929]Yes, you are right! You have just scored goals. I don't have a lot of free time in my trips and I like to study before leaving.

I don't see LBFMs in: [URL]http://internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_wsgforum_01[/URL]#faq_faq_terms.

Whats is this?[/QUOTE]Lovely Brown Fulsome Marriage Material. They are the SE Asian equivalent of the lovely girl next door who you would be proud to be by your side as you and an army of trike drivers blithely sail through life together. Winning the hand of a LBFM in marriage is the aim of all wise, wealthy and unworldly men. Consider it like winning the jackpot, with a ocal twist.