Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

Hey Marrow, I've had great tmes with beautiful women in VN (been there 5X) and BKK, including some freebies and busty ones, too, but admit it is more difficult to find VN girl who speaks English. That is why my preference is for Pinays. If you get to know the hotel manager in VN they will allow an overnighter. Discovered that after my third trip.

BTW all women everywhere want our money just like we want their pussy and tits. This is not prostitutional. These are gender facts. Of course the good ones also like courteous men; and the naughty ones like big schlongs; and the pretty ones usually like handsome men; but they ALL like money, even the rich ones, especially the rich ones.

Late notice, but it turns out I have most of today free in HCMC as my Vietnamese associate has other commitments. So if anyone wants to show a middle-aged white American some MP or other places, send me a PM. I am staying in District 1 near the market. Since I speak not one word of Vietnamese, I am a bit hesitant to take a taxi to some of the places I have read about on this forum. And they are a bit far to walk.

-D51

[QUOTE=Starsboo; 1104221]Hello, everyone,

I will [email]be@HCM[/email] City on 30th Dec and stay there for 2 weeks. I know some beauty salons and MPs offering A-Z service, yes, BJ and Fcuk!

Damage would be $30 / girl / hour. We can choose from at least 100 girls all young from 17-25. 7 shops x 20 girls each you do the math.

If you are interested, PM me, we could share the taxi cost and I got some companions.

PS: price is fixed including tic and tip already so please don't give extra tip. [/QUOTE]Your first report Starsboo and you have so much info? Beware everyone. . . He may be back. . .

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1104420]Your first report Starsboo and you have so much info? Beware everyone. . . He may be back. . .

JD[/QUOTE]I wonder if he'll post up videos of customers on youtube to embarass.

17yr old girls hey. Must want to be spending some time with a bunch of guys behind bars

[QUOTE=Polyorchid;1101488]...Opportunities seem to pop up everywhere. I find the openness and curiosity of "foreigners" (outside of district one, that is) very refreshing and seems to bode well for meeting women...[/QUOTE]Regardless of what others think, I would totally agree with you. I do speak Vietnamese well. No I'm not 100% fluent, but I can read the newspapers with 90+% literacy without any translators or dictionaries and speak on a daily basis for work in only VNese. I do think that there are always opportunities for find girls for relationships (not P4P). Especially when you get away from D1 you can find people (men and women) that are just so excited to talk with expats about anything.

[QUOTE=Marrow]Ye there are mixed couples, ever tried to hear what locals say about her when she's walking with you? You have no idea what a nightmare she has to deal with. No, not a government problem, Thailand is the same.[/QUOTE]I don't know what it is like in Thailand, I have never been there long enough for a relationship. But in Vietnam, yes, there are some people who don't care for the "white's" coming here and taking their women. I have been in long-term relationships, walk around the city etc, and I've only encountered one or two times when people talk either behind your back, or to your face. Once was on a shared taxi ride back to SGN from Vung Tau (last boat was sold out) and one of the guys said it was bad for the girl to be with a Western, and she was disgracing Vietnam people. He asked where I was from and since I am from the US, he kept saying to the girl that my family probably attacked her family and things like that. I told they guy to mind his own business but he kept going on and on. Luckily he started this rant within the last 20-30 minutes of getting back so we just had to deal with it. But other than that, I've never really had any other problems.

Do others here have long-term relationships have problems with people "snickering" when they are out-and-about with their lady?

[QUOTE=Starsboo; 1104571]JD, sorry to say but your 500 posts are all useless. Not a single piece new info.

I can take you to a shop then you can try and impress me with something better than that. I guess a veteran won't be scared against challenge? You can go 2-3 people.

I want to find some companions, not online filthy mouth idiots. [/QUOTE]Starsboo you should be the one apologising. You have not contributed anything to this forum.

The information regarding full service MP's is old.

Yes we know where they are located, Its not a secret.

Yes we know they charge 100k ticket and 500k tip.

You only know of 7? Thats a shame as theres a lot more than that. Time to get some fresh info I think.

You are looking for mates to share a cab ride?

Can't afford the cab ride solo or perhaps your too scared to go in on your own? Looking for someone to hold your hand perhaps.

No doubt you will be using the information provided in this forum for you and your mates to have some fun. Enjoy it and don't forget to write some reports, Infact how about contributing a couple reports since you know so much about it.

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45;1104465]..... Once was on a shared taxi ride back to SGN from Vung Tau (last boat was sold out) and one of the guys said it was bad for the girl to be with a Western, and she was disgracing Vietnam people. He asked where I was from and since I am from the US, he kept saying to the girl that my family probably attacked her family and things like that. ....[/QUOTE]I think such an occurance might happen everywhere, with people using history (real facts, but still history) to generate those comments. Not for nothing a good third of the world is always on flames: some can't get past of the past!

[QUOTE=D Cups;1104854]Starsboo, some of JD's posts have been very helpful to me and his photos are legendary so back off and apologize unless you want to start a flame war.[/QUOTE]Who is Star's poo? He won't be the last troll around. Just ignore him.

Apropos of any relevance, there isn't any. Anyone demented enough to come into the Forum and attempt to degrade and belittle JD has to be a little light upstairs. I mean, it follows, doesn't it, that any guy who has to use a pair of tweezers to jerk off might also be light upstairs. Personal problems always seem to blind the light-minded. Lets all just say a silent word of prayer for his recovery, and THEN ignore him.

H is out

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1109638]Ye? So many places for fuck, finally, not just stupid HJ / BJ? You know where they are located? Really? Surely this guy wrote in a funny way, but at least tried to share his experience ready to meet (he didn't realize noone can contact him with pm). You're so pro, you know hundreds places, why don't you start to write a list of full service place, with complete address? We all, would love to go there too. Specify the price we need to keep, we promise we will not ruin your private fun (LOL). Oh ye, I remember, you hate foreigners hanging around your house, ruining your cuties, hehe. Still checking outside your window if an aussie or american is coming near the garage door on other side of the street with your cheap cuties? XD Easy laugh on the back of someone, without share a shit. *winks*

[/QUOTE]Marrow who the fark are you?

Are you a regular poster on here with information to be shared?

Do you have any info to share at all?

The answer is NO. You have absolutely farkall to share with regular members on this forum.

Theres no need to write up the address of these FSMP's as all the regular members on here already know where they are and what goes on.

Those who are outside looking in due to not contributing usually complain about members not sharing.

As for your smartass comment

"Oh ye, I remember, you hate foreigners hanging around your house, ruining your cuties, hehe. Still checking outside your window if an aussie or american is coming near the garage door on other side of the street with your cheap cuties? XD Easy laugh on the back of someone, without share a shit. *winks*"

I actually have foreigners (Aussie, Yanks, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese, German, French and Viets) as neighbours and we all have a great time.

Its the dickheads like you that everyone else would have problems with.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc;1109654]Marrow who the fark are you? [/QUOTE]He's a faker who writes incorrect info in an obnoxious style.

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1109750]. Tomorrow police close? So? Is it the last one, maybe? Noone will open a new one, tomorrow? Is it your business, what happen to the owner of your brothel / FSMP? Or you never realize this kind of places exists for customers, much more they are, much money the owner make (and pay police to not be closed till 2050).

I live in vietnam enough years.

*winks*. *winks*[/QUOTE]I'm not involved in this "flame war" as some would say, but here are my 2 cents. Some of these places could be (not say they are) in what VNese government calls "cultural areas" in which these types of business, regardless of how much they pay to keep open, can NOT operate in these areas, or near these areas. Also, all governments must draw a line some where in social problems. They can accept HJ / BJ / working girls, but they are not open to brothels. Each city, district, and ward is different based on who is in charge of the police in that section. YES, it is very dangerous to post info on addresses for places with FS-in house because it WILL get shut down within a day or two. They can read English, so this is just the same as posting on VNese forums.

There are many places in District BT that offer way more services than what is posted on this forum, but they remain open because it's not a publicly spoken about thing. These types of places are only open to those who know someone already a "member" as you might call it. Brothels, strip club types of places, etc. This is just the way things are done here in VN. Not because of one specific person (s) on this forum, but all the Viet forums are the same. The owners of these shops don't like just anyone in, I know from personal experience.

How many years do you say is "enough"?

Whats with all the "*winks*"? Are you Italian?

I kind of like reading Marrow's posts. I don't think anyone posts much info here. So the only interesting things on this forum are the personalities.

Secret strip clubs and brothels in BT? Well, glad to hear that there is something more to VN. Hope I can learn the secret handshake one day.

[QUOTE=Milkweed; 1109951]I kind of like reading Marrow's posts. I don't think anyone posts much info here. So the only interesting things on this forum are the personalities.

Secret strip clubs and brothels in BT? Well, glad to hear that there is something more to VN. Hope I can learn the secret handshake one day.[/QUOTE]Yes agree, although the English isn't perfect I also like the style, good to have you here *winks*

Walked 1 block from the office, bright and early yesterday, showed the address to a moto who indicated that it would take 20 minutes, but made it in 10 and broke into a smile when he realized the address was for a hot-toc.

Bought a ticket for 5, no line-up as such, one skinny-chic in uniform lead me to the barber's chair and a minute later to a cubicle with a narrow bed and wash.

Laid down, shirt up, pants down and on she went making noises that sounded like "shiok" which I heard from the next cubicle as well. She blew me and just when I was about to CIM, the cubicle next to mine went "haarrkkkkkkk". Hilarious sh! T! I came, she went "harrrrkkkkkk" and I left after giving her 5.

Back to the office shortly thereafter.

Next time I'm there I will point to a meaty one, more to grab than the 2-quart butt on the skinny one, I reckon.

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45;1109898]There are many places in District BT that offer way more services than what is posted on this forum, but they remain open because it's not a publicly spoken about thing. These types of places are only open to those who know someone already a "member" as you might call it. Brothels, strip club types of places, etc. This is just the way things are done here in VN. The owners of these shops don't like just anyone in.[/QUOTE]I'm packing my things for HCMC and I've some queries.

Will I be approached by pimps if strolling the streets of District Binh Thanh?

Supposing that someone will lead me to a "covered" place, is it worthwhile taking the risk?

Is it better to stick around Hai Ba Trung?

[QUOTE=Travel Spirit; 1110530]I'm packing my things for HCMC and I've some queries.

Will I be approached by pimps if strolling the streets of District Binh Thanh?

Supposing that someone will lead me to a "covered" place, is it worthwhile taking the risk?

Is it better to stick around Hai Ba Trung? [/QUOTE]Troubles, worth? At best, you will be approached by woman pimp driving a motorbyke, surrounded of girls (sometimes young and cute. 20-21y). Supposing someone thinks you can be a customer (a new fool to sell to his friend policeman for 50$) , the answer is stay far.

Expecially if he ask " you like young, small small?".10 mins, and you're to the police station with big troubles to deal. When young small small, for your language, was just a tiny 19y girl. Like said yet, it's all under the table. And raided every day. And honestly, not needed. If it's just 19y pussy what you need, motogirls will harrass you enough, nice look.

[QUOTE=Travel Spirit; 1110530]I'm packing my things for HCMC and I've some queries.

Will I be approached by pimps if strolling the streets of District Binh Thanh?

Supposing that someone will lead me to a "covered" place, is it worthwhile taking the risk?

Is it better to stick around Hai Ba Trung? [/QUOTE]Will you be strutting down with a polished walking cane, purple fur coat and matching purple hat with a big feather stuck in it?

[QUOTE=Travel Spirit; 1110530]I'm packing my things for HCMC and I've some queries.

Will I be approached by pimps if strolling the streets of District Binh Thanh?

Supposing that someone will lead me to a "covered" place, is it worthwhile taking the risk?

Is it better to stick around Hai Ba Trung?[/QUOTE]When walking around the market at night, ask for a guy named 'Huggy Bear'. He will hook you up with the best girls around.

[QUOTE=Travel Spirit; 1110530]I'm packing my things for HCMC and I've some queries.

Will I be approached by pimps if strolling the streets of District Binh Thanh?

Supposing that someone will lead me to a "covered" place, is it worthwhile taking the risk?

Is it better to stick around Hai Ba Trung? [/QUOTE]Binh Thanh is one of the largest and most heavily populated districts in HCMC. It covers around 21 sq km and has a population of about half a million. You are unlikely to be approached by pimps while walking around 99% of this district, however if you see the attached map of Binh Thanh I have drawn a white circle at the bottom center. You will likely be approached by 'moto-girls' here. A few at midday and many at night. Maybe even some pimps, if that is who you are anxious to meet.

Watch your wallet, watch your phone, watch your money! Give them money first and 95% of the time they will be GONE!

You will not be invited to any 'covered' places. That's for sure.

JD

Girls at one of Saigon's classier brothels getting ready for work. Right. We wish.

Apology to OH.

JD

Hi All.

Could anyone give us a heads up on how long vietnamese are away for during tet (obviously not all, but rule of thumb)? Heading over early feb for work and fear this will impact on my fun time (and subsequent ability to report on said fun)

[QUOTE=B Sahdow; 1112315]Hi All.

Could anyone give us a heads up on how long Vietnamese are away for during Tet (obviously not all, but rule of thumb)? Heading over early Feb for work and fear this will impact on my fun time (and subsequent ability to report on said fun) [/QUOTE]You are unlikely to have any fun time and I can't imagine what kind of work you are going to do.

I'd say three days hard core, one week quite hard but not absolute, two weeks still very noticeable but you can get things done, three full weeks till things are just about normal.

JD

[QUOTE=B Sahdow; 1112315]Hi All.

Could anyone give us a heads up on how long vietnamese are away for during tet (obviously not all, but rule of thumb)? Heading over early feb for work and fear this will impact on my fun time (and subsequent ability to report on said fun) [/QUOTE]In my opinion, Tet is not a good time to visit. It's a family holiday. And a lot of Vietnamese return to their hometowns (or their parents hometowns). HCMC is pretty empty at that time.

Tet can be great if you have VN friends. You can visit their homes. Play VN games and try some VN food. Maybe it's a good time to practice riding a motorbike. The streets are pretty empty. Nguyen Hue St. In HCMC is nice to visit. Great for people watching and pictures. It's well decorated.

Be careful about crime around Tet. Pickpocketing or hotel room theft, etc. Especially in crowded places like Nguyen Hue St. I'm not sure why. But at Tet VN people like to buy new clothes, gamble, and give money to younger people. So maybe that's why.

Oh, Tet lasts for 3 days. I think it's the 3rd, 4th, and 5th this year. But some VN take a longer holiday. It depends on the person.

[QUOTE=Milkweed;1113238]Oh, Tet lasts for 3 days. I think it's the 3rd, 4th, and 5th this year. But some VN take a longer holiday. It depends on the person.[/QUOTE]Also, the 5th day of the Lunar New Year (Feb. 7th) is a VERY unlucky day to do anything outside the home. So 90% of people will not do anything until then, unless they work in the hospitality industry (restaurants / hotels). Normally the be-and-g's and shops to get released will have nothing for at least a week.

[QUOTE=B Sahdow; 1112315]Hi All.

Could anyone give us a heads up on how long vietnamese are away for during tet (obviously not all, but rule of thumb)? Heading over early feb for work and fear this will impact on my fun time (and subsequent ability to report on said fun) [/QUOTE]Tet 2011 official holidays by Vietnamese Labour Laws are:

2, 3.4 and 7 Feb. 2011 (4 working days off)

However, by decree of the Vietnamese Prime Minister, Sat 29/1 and Sun 30/1 have been declared working days, so that all may go on leave for Tet from Mon 31/1 through Mon 7/2 inclusive. A full 8 days.

To put things further in perspective for you, I work in construction and we typically assume we will get no work done for 3-4 weeks during Tet as the construction workers have all gone home to the provinces.

As JD said, I doubt you will get any work done, perhaps maybe doing work yourself in your hotel room.

Cheers.

new world. notice on the wall near the elevators about "access restricted to guests" in accordance with some law. after 10pm, a 2nd notice is rolled onto the floor, but there's no security as such manning the elevator.

you could walk up the stairs by the glass-door entrance and breeze past the chinese and the japanese restaurant on the 1st floor and then take the elevator to your suite.

qatar airways chicas stay here and i ran into 1 i met on my flight to jfk last month. nothing happened on this ocassion, she was getting into her bus and as she saw me she beamed and grew taller. when she's back here again, we are fcuking. mid 30's japanese, who has aged well and looking for a husband, ha! gave me her full name and her hotel in ny, but the x'mas eve blizzard, killed that date.

korean air also stays here and they are haughty, until it's time to pick up the trays, i guess. united are fat, including the few asians that wear that uniform.

had 1 regular chica come up to my suite on the 1st date, last saturday, some kisses, fondled her small tits but no more. sunday we rode her moto to the independence hall and back again to my suite, and again the same. it does look promising for the next time, after tet.

2nd regular chica, took her to a very nice restaurant and did a lot of touching; she has some of the finest legs i've seen. and they were open, open and open. experimented. said something corny and she crossed her legs. smiled and she uncrossed them. ran my hands upto her belly when she said she ate too much and i felt the heat her crotch was given off! going to fcuk her when we meet next, her folks live in hcmc so it could be before tet.

3rd is a gro at a posh restaurant i have lunch in. one day she stood right across from my table for sometime. took her out that evening. single mom that dumped her husband because he has "no ability". she's looking for a "new life" whoa. but i feel sorry for her. took her out to dinner every evening when i had no dates. good company, she spotted my apec business travel card in my wallet, told me she applied for it. ambitious woman, with no hope in hell of obtaining that. fantastic round ass that sticks out, including the cherry at the top. came to my suite, did not succeed in kissing her, gave her a foot-massage that made her sleepy, but my hands didn't get past her knees. we are still friends, still taking her out to dinner and spa.

ruined my chances with the filipina (who i had promised to take out on her day off) in the band by the elevator. she saw me walk in with the gro and frowned. the smiling, the extensive gyration of her hips when she sees me and the waving has died. but it shall return.

got a pimp that hangs out in the park to get me some. they were there in minutes, i guess they are on the moto. rejected 1/2 a dozen. walked across to the road to another pimp. he came up one that looked **** and then one very good-looking, round one. wanted $30 upfront, gave him $5 and walked arm-in-arm to my suite. the phone rang, it was the duty manager reading me the law. i told him we would be done very soon and hung up. guess they can tell hookers from regular chics or was it the arm-in-arm? first thing the round-one did was try to re-negotiate the deal to lt for $100. hehe, no sweetie. she was as expected, a total waste of my $30.

walking along the corridor to my suite one evening, i heard an inviting cough behind me, i did not turn around, waiting for another. it did not come and then my key failed! walked back and there was this korean flight-attendant who gave me the shit-face, opened her door, slammed it shut and made sure i heard the lock and the latch. sure she was peeping through the magic-eye, i gave her door the finger and smiled. the door opened, she barked "no" slammed the door, locked and latched it again. freaking bizzare! gave her door the finger again, smiled and went to get my key fixed. i expected something as i returned after re-programming my key, but nothing happened.

went to vinh thinh xong hoi xoa bop one evening, rejected the 1st they sent, she looked like a nfl line-backer. the guy that got me a what i liked asked for a tip. told him later and he fcuked off. the massage was pathetic, her underwear was hands-tight and she crossed her legs as she stood and wanted 500k for a hj. left in under 3 minutes giving her 50k, got my stuff out of the locker (found 20k in that white pouch) paid my 60k walked to my waiting cab.

i wonder if any of the white-trash in the backpacker area behind the park would suck dick for a song. but who'd find them desirable in hcmc eh? so much eye-candy here like everywhere in asia. i get a camel-toe view of the chics in the moto every day in the taxi to work.

[QUOTE=Lustforthrust; 1115502]New World. Notice on the wall near the elevators about "access restricted to guests" in accordance with some law. After 10pm, a 2nd notice is rolled onto the floor, but there's no security as such manning the elevator.

I wonder if any of the white-trash in the backpacker area behind the park would suck dick for a song. But who'd find them desirable in HCMC eh? So much eye-candy here like everywhere in Asia. I get a camel-toe view of the chics in the moto every day in the taxi to work. [/QUOTE]LFT,

Thanks for the detailed, entertaining and generally great report and what a total bust (as far as girls go) HCMC was for you. Incredible, the only time you could get laid, and not well at that, was from a $30 Ho pimped out in the park! You must have spent many hundreds if not thousands of dollars on all those meals and spa dates and you got, what, a phone number, a kiss, a feel of little titties and a rub on some legs?

Yes, it is a sad sex scene here in Saigon for guys like you, try hard, spending big, but in three weeks, nothing. Even a HJ at VT Massage was out of reach.

Well, it's not your fault, this is not PI or BKK, it's not as easy as it looks for some. Yes, you see the eye candy and you think, wow! . . . But then. . .

Good luck,

JD

[QUOTE=Lustforthrust;1115502]Report.[/QUOTE]I don't really understand, iv picked up girls all around hcmc. Restaurant, supermarkets, shopping centers, bars, cafes, parks. And iv been successful 8/10 times.

If they agree to go out with you and they like fondling and kissing why ohh why don't you just take charge and get them in bed?

Hot tip: First date chose a restaurant thats close to you hotel, after the initial chit chat walk them by you hotel and offer her to come up to your room. If she says yes she's game (most of the times). Now don't do this to late, since most unmarried girls still live at home and can't spend the night with you.

BTW anyone grabbed a girl from Phattys or M52?

A

Hello, All:

I have been rtff back for some time.

Can any advise if or where there are fishbowls operating in HCM City?

Thanks,

Cap

[QUOTE=Cappy; 1115694]Hello, All:

I have been rtff back for some time.

Can any advise if or where there are fishbowls operating in HCM City?

Thanks,

Cap[/QUOTE]Theres a few streets that are lined with fishbowls. And fish tanks. Lots of aquarium keeping accessories.

Fresh, salt or tropical?

No, theres no fishbowls operating here, its illegal remember, you can't even check out your massuest in a MP.

Best going to PP or TLD for fishbowls

[QUOTE=Asswrestler; 1115638]I don't really understand, iv picked up girls all around hcmc. Restaurant, supermarkets, shopping centers, bars, cafes, parks. And iv been successful 8/10 times.

If they agree to go out with you and they like fondling and kissing why ohh why don't you just take charge and get them in bed?

Hot tip: First date chose a restaurant that's close to you hotel, after the initial chit chat walk them by you hotel and offer her to come up to your room. If she says yes she's game (most of the times). Now don't do this to late, since most unmarried girls still live at home and can't spend the night with you.

BTW anyone grabbed a girl from Phattys or M52?

A[/QUOTE]Asswrestler is right, HCMC is a gem for meeting and bedding girls. Lust For Thrust must have the wrong approach, but boy when he is here again there are a lot of girls he is going to "Fcuk".

BTW, AW your advice on not to take the girls out too late is right on, one which so many here make a mistake on. Girls live with their parents and usually must be home by 10 PM, so have dinner early and leave 2 hours for back at your place and 30 mins for them to get home. So suggest 6:30 PM or so for dinner. Of course, for Hoars this does not apply, they stay out late.

JD

What if you are looking for the GFE? What are some good hotels to stay while in HCMC? A Vietnamese stylist here told me that some of the girls in Saigon can speak English.

[QUOTE=Asswrestler; 1115638]I don't really understand, iv picked up girls all around hcmc. Restaurant, supermarkets, shopping centers, bars, cafes, parks. And iv been successful 8/10 times.

If they agree to go out with you and they like fondling and kissing why ohh why don't you just take charge and get them in bed?

Hot tip: First date chose a restaurant thats close to you hotel, after the initial chit chat walk them by you hotel and offer her to come up to your room. If she says yes she's game (most of the times). Now don't do this to late, since most unmarried girls still live at home and can't spend the night with you.

BTW anyone grabbed a girl from Phattys or M52?

A[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John05;1116013]What if you are looking for the GFE? What are some good hotels to stay while in HCMC? A Vietnamese stylist here told me that some of the girls in Saigon can speak English.[/QUOTE]Well thats why you pick up non "working" girls in the first place. (GFE =Girl Friend Experiance)

Hmm it depends on where you want to stay, I would say that anything under 3 stars are usually gf. Just ask first.

Yes there is girls who can speak english in Vietnam, my sugestion is that you actually have a conversation with them to find out.

A

Well coming over for a few weeks, and I must say after reading a few pages to say the least. Vietnam seems pretty pricey when it comes to ladies. I have to tell you, from the guys who are paying more than $30-$60 LT, which I Consider until the next morning breakfast time. You guys are spoiling the market. In Thailand anything can pretty much be had from around 700bht up. LT 1, 000-2000 bht freelance (That's $30-60) , and even in some non freelance bars. I read back a bunch of pages and most seem to be paying way above this. Question, Vietnam is still a 3rd world country yes, where a meal can still be had for around $1 & Up correct. Then you vet / expat please do enlighten me!

I am thinking my 1st few days in I will play the, freelance market.

Anyone have a map of freelance bars, karaokes, massage etc. Thanks in advance. And what do most of the vets here consider to be the best freelance district?

[QUOTE=Luvnlife1970; 1116216]Well coming over for a few weeks, and I must say after reading a few pages to say the least. Vietnam seems pretty pricey when it comes to ladies. I have to tell you, from the guys who are paying more than $30-$60 LT, which I Consider until the next morning breakfast time. You guys are spoiling the market. In Thailand anything can pretty much be had from around 700bht up. LT 1, 000-2000 bht freelance (That's $30-60) , and even in some non freelance bars. I read back a bunch of pages and most seem to be paying way above this. Question, Vietnam is still a 3rd world country yes, where a meal can still be had for around $1 & Up correct. Then you vet / expat please do enlighten me!

I am thinking my 1st few days in I will play the, freelance market.

Anyone have a map of freelance bars, karaokes, massage etc. Thanks in advance. And what do most of the vets here consider to be the best freelance district? [/QUOTE]Good questions Luv, I see you have read the Forum pages on Vietnam and determined that the P4P scene in Vietnam is not the same as in Thailand, although you feel it should be. You have looked at the map and seen they are both countries in SE Asia, you have examined their relative economic states and seen that Thailand is by far the wealthier and more developed nation. Your careful research has led you to the conclusion that there is much cheaper sex readily available in Vietnam than that which has been written about by the 'vets' and 'expats' here.

You will come here and find the many 'freelancer bars', the massage parlors where sex is available, the karaokes where sex is available, maybe you will find the beer bars and beer gardens where girls are available, the soapy massage places of HCMC, the fishbowls of Vietnam where you can choose the most beautiful women of SE Asia for some of the lowest prices in the world, comparable to eating a meal for only $1.

I hope you will prepare some excellent and detailed reports and maps for us to enjoy the wealth of knowledge you will gain while you are here, to point out to us 'vets' all that we have have been missing, to show us what has been right under our noses all along. We will thank you for that!

I think the map of all the freelance bars, massage places and karaokes should be available free of charge at the airport, just like in Bangkok.

Have fun,

JD

[QUOTE=Luvnlife1970;1116216]Anyone have a map of freelance bars, karaokes, massage etc. Thanks in advance. And what do most of the vets here consider to be the best freelance district?[/QUOTE]My advice, after living here for two months: don't waste your time. Re-book to Philippines or Thailand if you're making a mongering trip.

I find Vietnam to be the least attractive country of the three for the hobby. Our resident maven, JD, seems to do alright but I believe he's been here awhile.

As for me, I'm looking to move on because of the sterility of the scene.

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1116449]Good questions Luv, I see you have read the Forum pages on Vietnam and determined that the P4P scene in Vietnam is not the same as in Thailand, although you feel it should be. You have looked at the map and seen they are both countries in SE Asia, you have examined their relative economic states and seen that Thailand is by far the wealthier and more developed nation. Your careful research has led you to the conclusion that there is much cheaper sex readily available in Vietnam than that which has been written about by the 'vets' and 'expats' here.

You will come here and find the many 'freelancer bars', the massage parlors where sex is available, the karaokes where sex is available, maybe you will find the beer bars and beer gardens where girls are available, the soapy massage places of HCMC, the fishbowls of Vietnam where you can choose the most beautiful women of SE Asia for some of the lowest prices in the world, comparable to eating a meal for only $1.

I hope you will prepare some excellent and detailed reports and maps for us to enjoy the wealth of knowledge you will gain while you are here, to point out to us 'vets' all that we have have been missing, to show us what has been right under our noses all along. We will thank you for that!

I think the map of all the freelance bars, massage places and karaokes should be available free of charge at the airport, just like in Bangkok.

Have fun,

JD[/QUOTE]Ouch, JD. .

Luv. What JD was trying to say is that Vietnam and Thailand in respect of almost such matters about which we speak are notably divergent.

[QUOTE=Luvnlife1970;1116216]Vietnam seems pretty pricey when it comes to ladies. I have to tell you, from the guys who are paying more than $30-$60 LT, which I Consider until the next morning breakfast time.[/QUOTE]The problem in Vietnam is certainly not high prices, and not even low availability, but horrible ripoff-oriented attitude, tons of hassle and low general quality of service.

For the prices, Vietnam is ultra cheap. You can *reliably and repeatably* get a BJ from a 20-something decent looker in a HotToc for $7. 50-$10 (150-200k dong) , and even FS for $15-20 (300-400k dong). Service will be crappy 4/5 times, but that's a different story.

Vietnamese women are just not cut out to be friendly and giving SWs like Thais or Filipinas.

Several times, I had Thai ST girls in Pattaya genuinely concerned I couldn't come (my 4th darling of the day!) , even after I told them all is well and they earned their 500 baht. They took it personally and worked on it diligently until result was obtained. Thais in general have a highly developed social sense and make an effort to make everyone feel good (especially those they perceive higher in the pecking order, usually the one holding more baht). This holds in a direct social or interpersonal situations, even though Thais are completely irresponsible and reckless otherwise.

Vietnamese are generally selfish and always just after your money (unless you're family or a close friend). They have zero respect for anyone outside their very narrow circle, and don't make much of an effort to pretend otherwise. Everyone, from security guards to bus conductors wants to show their control over you, and would try to order you around just to make themselves feel better. Sex workers generally try to do the least service they can possibly get away with. If you're frustrated and unsatisfied, that not only doesn't bother them the least, it may well amuse them.

TL; DR: In Vietnam, you may get super-low prices and decent looks (with some local knowledge and a bit of searching). However. 4/5 times service would be crappy, while in Thailand. 4/5 times it's better than that 1 non-crappy time in Vietnam.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1117973]The problem in Vietnam is certainly not high prices, and not even low availability, but horrible ripoff-oriented attitude, tons of hassle and low general quality of service.[/QUOTE]Not wrong there, I just returned from checking out a new MP. I won't even bother with a report as it had the usual attendant hovering over me, He even tried telling me how much to pay the girl, Time for the masssage and its light rubbing with oil, a shitload of slapping / pounding on my back and shoulders with only a few seconds of walking on legs and back. For the ending she offered HJ or BJ. BJ she wanted 500k. Yeah I can get laid for that with 2 pops, As I left the bike attendant who had fvcked with my mirror on my bike wanted a 20k tip as its TET.

If you want a GFE then head over to the usual places overseas, If you want a 90% chance of shit service and grumbling about not being able to rip you off then come on over to Saigon.

Went to the Tao dan park today and looked at all the pretty flowers, great for browsing.

Even saw our own Johndao with the camera lurking around, have to say your Vietnamese is really good, you had a chat with my mother inlaw me standing next to you hehe. Nice camera BTW!

Well nice to see you.

A

The problem in Vietnam is certainly not high prices, and not even low availability, but horrible ripoff-oriented attitude, tons of hassle and low general quality of service.

For the prices, Vietnam is ultra cheap. You can *reliably and repeatably* get a BJ from a 20-something decent looker in a HotToc for $7. 50-$10 (150-200k dong) , and even FS for $15-20 (300-400k dong). Service will be crappy 4/5 times, but that's a different story.

Vietnamese women are just not cut out to be friendly and giving SWs like Thais or Filipinas. [/QUOTE]I definitely agree with this, pretty much everyone in Vietnam tries to rip off westerns. I am Vietnamese but I grew up in America since I was a baby so when I speak Viet I pretty much sound like a white guy trying to speak it. Everytime I go purchase something one of my relatives or friends always tell them to let them do the talking, if I do the talking I will almost always get a higher bill then it should be, plus most of the time you can barter down the prices.

As for the quality of services, I'm on my 2nd trip to Vietnam this year, and in about 5 monger visits I only had 1 I thought was outstanding services, so I guess the 1 in 5 stat Crocodilexp put out was about spot on. And that 1 ended up costing an arm and a leg for Vietnam, after the hotel, taxis, barfine and girl.

If you can speak some Viet, and are younger looking I would suggest going with the freelance route, I have had no problem getting number of attractive young chicks. I don't think Viet girls here go for money as much as some of the other 3rd world asian countries, I've hardly seen ANY hot young girl with an older white guy here, only older chicks.

[QUOTE=************;1118108]I don't think Viet girls here go for money as much as some of the other 3rd world asian countries, I've hardly seen ANY hot young girl with an older white guy here, only older chicks.[/QUOTE]I agree that for Viet girls who are hot and young it is somewhat shameful to be seen out with an old white guy. Not 100% for sure, you will see some, but it's not like Thailand or the PI. But if it's in his home or hotel, there is no shame. They don't care so much what they do or who they are with, it's that they care about what others see and think of them. For guys in their 50's, it's important to be fairly slim and to dress well, girls will be ok with you then. But forget about big and fat and hairy with shorts and a singlet and sandals. No Sukhumvit Road style is acceptable here.

JD

[QUOTE=Asswrestler; 1118075]Went toTao Dan park today and looked at all the pretty flowers, great for browsing.

Even saw our own Johndao with the camera lurking around, have to say your Vietnamese is really good, you had a chat with my mother-in-law me standing next to you, hehe. Nice camera BTW!

Well nice to see you.

A[/QUOTE]AW,

I think your Mother-in-Law was a pretty hot piece of ass as recently as 10 years ago. Actually she still looks pretty good, I'd still do her, have you?

JD

Does anyone here have any experience with girls who work at the bars found on these streets? Bars like Voodoo and Chilli Pub on HTM or Kim's Bar on HTK?

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1118207]AW,

I think your Mother-in-Law was a pretty hot piece of ass as recently as 10 years ago. Actually she still looks pretty good, I'd still do her, have you?

JD[/QUOTE]Hmm, you sure? Well I guess people have different taste.

BTW I kinda understad how you can pull alot of girls you actually look like a nice guy. Look like it hehe.

Not very good looking but a nice attitude. And in asia that is more then enough for most countryside girls I guess.

A

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1118206]IFor guys in their 50's, it's important to be fairly slim and to dress well, girls will be ok with you then. But forget about big and fat and hairy with shorts and a singlet and sandals. No Sukhumvit Road style is acceptable here.

JD[/QUOTE]This is good p4p and non-p4p advice in general, and really, extends to all age groups. I'm younger, rather skinny and for the last few days have been wearing jeans (stylist jeans) and long sleeve shirts normally rolled up to the elbow as opposed to shorts and t-shirts / singlets. While I'm not sure how much how much may be my own attitude, it has felt as if everything from bartering for moto fare to hitting on local girls is a lot easier to reaching an agreement on price with a working lady. Dressing respectably appears to have a big impact in your interaction with locals.

[QUOTE=B Sahdow;1118401]Dressing respectably appears to have a big impact in your interaction with locals.[/QUOTE]That is definitely true, the 1st time I came to Vietnam was this summer. I was traveling with my mother that time, when I was changing at the hotel I wanted to wear board shorts and a wife beater since it was a billion degrees outside. Well my mom bitches at me and says here in Vietnam, even though it is hot a shit you have to dress up so people don't think your poor and look down on you.

[QUOTE=Asswrestler; 1118242]Hmm, you sure? Well I guess people have different taste.

BTW I kinda understad how you can pull alot of girls you actually look like a nice guy. Look like it hehe.

Not very good looking but a nice attitude. And in asia that is more then enough for most countryside girls I guess.

A[/QUOTE]Yeah, ok, so maybe I would not have done her either. But seeing her naked is the best way to know if your wife, her daughter will have stretch marks after childbirth.

Anyway, how do you know it was me that you met? I mean, I did not introduce myself as John Dao, did I? Just a guy, speaking Vietnamese, named John, with a nice camera and it's me?

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1118648]Yeah, ok, so maybe I would not have done her either. But seeing her naked is the best way to know if your wife, her daughter will have stretch marks after childbirth.

Anyway, how do you know it was me that you met? I mean, I did not introduce myself as John Dao, did I? Just a guy, speaking Vietnamese, named John, with a nice camera and it's me?

JD[/QUOTE]Well I wasnt 100% sure but after your reply I think I was right hehe.

Iv enjoyed your photos and reports for about 1 year (maybe more) so iv seen my fair share of clues, your body type, height (compared to furniture, not exact but.) and your age (again. Not exact). I know you speak good vietnamese, your american and that you wear glasses.

But what made me recognize you was your voice (when speaking Vietnamese) that I recognize from your videos.

After that I just put two and two together.

No sweat JD I won't post your picture. I enjoy your reports far to much.

A

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1118208]Does anyone here have any experience with girls who work at the bars found on these streets? Bars like Voodoo and Chilli Pub on HTM or Kim's Bar on HTK?

JD[/QUOTE]I have never been aware of P4P action from these places but I have had encounters in afternoons with gals from Chilli (when it was at Dong Du) and Kim's. There is another Kim's in a lane behind Thai Van Lung.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz;1118919]I have never been aware of P4P action from these places but I have had encounters in afternoons with gals from Chilli (when it was at Dong Du) and Kim's. There is another Kim's in a lane behind Thai Van Lung.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply Suds. I realize that these places are not takeaway brothels in the same way that 91 or 49 are on HBT or Dong Khoi and vicinity. I know the bartenders are just that. But still, they are young and dress sexy and it is their job to be friendly and affectionate. At Kim's Hideaway on Thai Van Lung there are some FL (not connected to the bar) and some of the girls who do work there get very touchy feely at the bar and couch, raunchy even. Just wondering what the takeout possibilities are, if any. I like the looks of one of the girls at Kim's and also one at Kim's Hideaway.

JD

[QUOTE=Asswrestler; 1118670]Well I wasnt 100% sure but after your reply I think I was right hehe.

Iv enjoyed your photos and reports for about 1 year (maybe more) so iv seen my fair share of clues, your body type, height (compared to furniture, not exact but.) and your age (again. Not exact). I know you speak good vietnamese, your american and that you wear glasses.

But what made me recognize you was your voice (when speaking Vietnamese) that I recognize from your videos.

After that I just put two and two together.

No sweat JD I won't post your picture. I enjoy your reports far to much.

A[/QUOTE]OK, thanks AW, glad I won't have to wrestle your ass to the ground and kick it!

JD

[QUOTE=************;1118108]If you can speak some Viet, and are younger looking I would suggest going with the freelance route, I have had no problem getting number of attractive young chicks. I don't think Viet girls here go for money as much as some of the other 3rd world asian countries, I've hardly seen ANY hot young girl with an older white guy here, only older chicks.[/QUOTE]The problem is that there aren't *nearly* as many available hot 30-something women in HCMC as there are in, say, Bangkok (where you could easily line up a date per day, every day with girls in this category). It might have something to do with demographics, or the fact that Vietnamese marry more quickly.

Family / societal pressure are a huge deal in Vietnam. In Thailand, being seen with a white guy gains face for a girl, even if she's middle-class (if the guy is not a complete slob). In Vietnam it just raises suspicions and invites negative gossip. It seems to me, that even in a big city like HCMC, Vietnamese seem to care much more about their social circle (neighbors, family, coworkers) than in Bangkok, which is for many people way more anonymous, a bit like Western cities.

I have a sense that Viets can be just as money oriented and curious about foreigners as others, but in the tight-knit society, social stigma is feared more. However, if you don't make it public, they'd be just as eager. Too bad HCMC online dating sites are not very extensive.

[Apologies for if my rambling is off-topic, I'll make up for it with a field report next time I'm in HCMC]

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1119043]OK, thanks AW, glad I won't have to wrestle your ass to the ground and kick it!

JD[/QUOTE]Hehe good luck! (guess you didn't see me)

I keep a low profile when I'm with the extended familly, usually never speak to foreigners unless I know them.

One question though JD, why don't you open a nude photo business? It very popular among younger people now and it would be a great way to meet some chicks who arent afraid to get naked among other things.

Since I gave you a hearthattack ill share some you might already know, they have a bunch information sharing boards on the internet in Vietnamese that a few simple keywords will reweal.

All the prices iv seen is around 200-300k vnd for a session and pics, and those are young and decent looking.

They even write the phonenumbers.

And if your not afraid of the A1, go over the bridge and turn right (on the underpass to Thao dien) right at the beginning of the underpass they have those booths close to the river and its not hard finding the way to those. They have 3 ST hotells there with some girls and the "Booth" places also have some countryside girls that would prolly do the things you like to do.

I'll send you a pm when I get my subscription going again.

A

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1119044]Vietnamese seem to care much more about their social circle (neighbors, family, coworkers) than in Bangkok.

If you don't make it public, they'd be just as eager. [/QUOTE]Very true observations. I reckon that guys who just turn up for a few days for the first time have a tough task. Except for HBT type bars its all more subtle than BKK. But once you have made several return trips, spent some time there, you find girls giving you their number and email quietly, and you find that many of those are very happy if you suggest traveling away from their home vicinity. Book a ticket and take them to another holiday destination within VN, and everything changes! Book a double room in the hotels away from their home town, and no questions are asked. She just checks in with you.

I think I have told the story before of one time my mate had to sign an affidavit sort of form at the hotel checkin, effectively signing that they are married or something close! I still laugh when I think of his face as he signed this piece of paper. (this happened back in the mid 90's.)

Make a decision to do several trips, get to know people, and it all starts to happen! Hotel staff, restaurant staff, anyone!

Ozirob

[QUOTE=Ozirob;1119066]But once you have made several return trips, spent some time there, you find girls giving you their number and email quietly, and you find that many of those are very happy if you suggest traveling away from their home vicinity.[/QUOTE]What age bracket are you talking about here? 18-21yo or 21+?

[QUOTE=Ozirob;1119066]Very true observations. I reckon that guys who just turn up for a few days for the first time have a tough task. Except for HBT type bars its all more subtle than BKK. But once you have made several return trips, spent some time there, you find girls giving you their number and email quietly, and you find that many of those are very happy if you suggest traveling away from their home vicinity. Book a ticket and take them to another holiday destination within VN, and everything changes! Book a double room in the hotels away from their home town, and no questions are asked. She just checks in with you.[/QUOTE]Kinda defeats the purpose of mongering doesn't it?

That sounds more like dating.

What happens when you take the "special" girl away on a holiday and she turns into a starfish or a *****, Your stuck with her till you get back or you cut her loose, then your back to where you started, minus the time and money wasted. Sure some guys prefer the thrill of the chase, the challenge and excitement but the reward may not be worth it.

The Thai P4P scene and to a lesser extent Phils and Indo seem to be the benchmark that other countries (inc VN) get compared to but then its like comparing oranges with limes, One will leave a sweet taste in your mouth, the other will leave you with a sour and bitter experience, Sure you can take it a few times but how long until enough's enough?

However if you can get that lime and combine it with something sweet, salty, peppery or hot then you will get a refreshing experience that won't be sour.

Having said that 90% of the experiences will be limes.

There is a active mongering scene here but you have to look for it, Its not shaking it ass in your face like you find in TLD.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1119044]Too bad HCMC online dating sites are not very extensive.[/QUOTE]Have you tried Vietsingle yet? I've had pretty good luck there!

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc; 1119192]Kinda defeats the purpose of mongering doesn't it?

That sounds more like dating. [/QUOTE]I think vietnamese girls are hot, but never found the mongering scene to be great unless you have good connections who can provide quality women. It doesn't seem like a very user friendly place at all. I guess if you invest your time to make the connections and work the scene then it could be good, but that takes work and effort. If you're into the 18-21yo hot chick market, how much will it cost in time, energy, money? Is it not easier to just jump into thai, indo, phil and right away you got this market available to you at a reasonable price?

I'd like to explore more in vietnam, but I'm always turned off when reading on this board or talking to others who have already been there and report back that it's just so so.

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1115595]LFT,

Thanks for the detailed, entertaining and generally great report and what a total bust (as far as girls go) HCMC was for you. Incredible, the only time you could get laid, and not well at that, was from a $30 Ho pimped out in the park! You must have spent many hundreds if not thousands of dollars on all those meals and spa dates and you got, what, a phone number, a kiss, a feel of little titties and a rub on some legs?

Yes, it is a sad sex scene here in Saigon for guys like you, try hard, spending big, but in three weeks, nothing. Even a HJ at VT Massage was out of reach.

Well, it's not your fault, this is not PI or BKK, it's not as easy as it looks for some. Yes, you see the eye candy and you think, wow! . . . But then. . .

Good luck,

JD[/QUOTE]I dunno JD, sad scene to me is $20 hookers in a $10 motel, quantity over quality, not one score to mention in years in Saigon.

Hundreds if not thosands of dollars, um, yes and when I return there's more of that, again in the New World for a month or so and then The Manor for a year, if I want to. Spending big? No, not really! Well, not your fault, this is not you but it is easier than it looks.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc; 1119192]Kinda defeats the purpose of mongering doesn't it?

That sounds more like dating.

[/QUOTE]Dating? Well, its not true love. The girls have been early 20's (one was 22 when I first knew her, is now 29 and still joining me on travels occasionally).

Each to their own. I enjoy getting my rocks off with a minimum of effort as much as the next guy.

I am way past the point where young females would give me their phone number here in Australia. So when it happens in Vietnam at the most unexpected times, for example, once when checking out of a hotel in NhaTrang with my family the cute receptionist pressed a small piece of paper with her name, email and tel number written on it, of course I take that as an invitation to play the game with her. And of course it leads to a relatively long and possibly wasted time to get everything happening. But hey, I'm up for the challenge! And I still enjoy the game. I love Vietnam!

Ozirob

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1119225]It doesn't seem like a very user friendly place at all[/QUOTE]Vietnam sucks for mongering, that is nothing new.

1st regular chic, H. 27. Fucked. She's double-timing with some Canuck that teaches at RMIT. Like many women do, she's weighing the options, trying to figure out who's a better match for a life-partner. Keeping my distance, by keeping her busy with herself (encouraging her to study for her exam etc.)

2nd regular chic, T. 25 works for a measly $400 / m like some of the better-paid folks here. Fabulous legs, passable ass and a huge pussy. She has no time between her job and the commute and shit. It is working well, wants me to take her to Phouc Quoc, we shall see.

3rd regular chic H with a fantastic round ass. She kinda pissed me off with her table-manners, so I'm not doing any dinners with her. And that means no nookie.

Chic D. (doing a 5 year program in a university and working part-time for $50 / m) 22 sent me a mushy sms one evening. Invited her and she came over on her own (clever girl) dressed in her finest and an overnight bag. Tried to get into her pants right there, but no such luck. Went to Jaspas for dinner, she had 1 red kinda quick and then back to my suite. Now she tells me, 'you cannot go in' as she puts her hands on my shoulders and looks deep into my eyes, but she was wetter than wet. Licked and fingered her till she did a violent croc death roll, smashing into everything. Tried again, and she goes she's a virgin (BS I reckon) and so we tried her ass, lmao! She on her stomach, a few pillows under her hips and she's smirking "you can't go in" and I did. Before I could cum, she puts both her hands to one side and now has the ability to roll onto her back. I pull out and she runs to the bathroom, the door is shut but not locked, no water running. She's there for well over 1/2 an hour and I wait patiently. She must have been thinking about this all day. Wet, mushy text and now her womanly brain is blanked out. When she's back, I make the slightest effort and we're home. I was tempted to go into that moistness bare, but I held back. She left in the morning. Three days later she sent me another text that said something like she was scared for 3 days and she feels bad that she slept with me and that "it is impossible to play with" her. Be that as it may, she brought a friend of hers to feast on a dinner at New World Saion. She tried the same again with another friend (this time they came to my suite) and I eased them out, no dinners unless I get some.

None of these blew me. Two of them had their eyes closed during the sessions.

Regular chic, L, mid 20s, many dinners, including one at Pendalosco an Italian restaurant that serves the dry bread and miserable salad. If the Socialist Republic of Vietnam wasn't paying for my meals, I'd want my money back! This chic is my favorite, full legs (and she wears the hottest hot pants) and has full, firm breasts. She's unemployed, has no money and is happy. Way to be, I reckon! Pidgin English, but she's confident. Hasn't woken up before noon in over a year, she said. Not yet bored of "sexing" her.

Hello, all,

I'm visiting HCMC, for the first time and regrettably for relatively short time, in a couple of weeks. I've been reading through the forums here, and have gotten a lot of good information (JD, your posts seem particularly helpful). Just wondering if any of you might take a moment to spare some words of wisdom / advice to such a neophyte to the city scene. Things to look for, things to look out for, prices, safety issues, meeting and bedding non-pros, really anything that you care to share with someone who does have some mongering experience, just not in SE Asia (yet). I know, I know, read through previous posts. . . And I am and will continue to do so. Just wanted to solicit some friendly advice from all of those who are so much wiser and more worldly than I.

Oh, one other question, I haven't seem to run into much about any sort of swinging scene there. Particularly interested in an mfm-threesome with a Vietnamese or mixed race couple. Is this even worth seeking out?

[QUOTE=Teb1101; 1129971]Hello, all,

I'm visiting HCMC, for the first time and regrettably for relatively short time, in a couple of weeks. I've been reading through the forums here, and have gotten a lot of good information (JD, your posts seem particularly helpful). Just wondering if any of you might take a moment to spare some words of wisdom / advice to such a neophyte to the city scene. Things to look for, things to look out for, prices, safety issues, meeting and bedding non-pros, really anything that you care to share with someone who does have some mongering experience, just not in SE Asia (yet). I know, I know, read through previous posts. . . And I am and will continue to do so. Just wanted to solicit some friendly advice from all of those who are so much wiser and more worldly than I.

Oh, one other question, I haven't seem to run into much about any sort of swinging scene there. Particularly interested in an mfm-threesome with a Vietnamese or mixed race couple. Is this even worth seeking out?[/QUOTE]You're visiting HCMC, for relatively short time, assuming you're not talking Viet so best advice don't expect anything else than P4P at the usual places on a very professional base.

Unless you're resembling some Brad Pitt or Beckham type in which case you could be lucky at posh places (still difficult with the short time, very untypical for one night stands) bedding non-pros, but that will be costly as well as they expect to be comforted. Going for the street babes, well you are there with all the risks that are well documented here. There is some swinging from Couples for MFM going on but those 2 that I know are just out the others in Hanoi, try AFF or fbofsex. Happy hunting

[QUOTE=Teb1101; 1129971]Hello, all,

I'm visiting HCMC, for the first time and regrettably for relatively short time, in a couple of weeks. I've been reading through the forums here, and have gotten a lot of good information (JD, your posts seem particularly helpful). Just wondering if any of you might take a moment to spare some words of wisdom / advice to such a neophyte to the city scene. Things to look for, things to look out for, prices, safety issues, meeting and bedding non-pros, really anything that you care to share with someone who does have some mongering experience, just not in SE Asia (yet). I know, I know, read through previous posts. . . And I am and will continue to do so. Just wanted to solicit some friendly advice from all of those who are so much wiser and more worldly than I.

Oh, one other question, I haven't seem to run into much about any sort of swinging scene there. Particularly interested in an mfm-threesome with a Vietnamese or mixed race couple. Is this even worth seeking out? [/QUOTE]Sorry I have no info on swinging. However in regards to bedding a non-pro. You're here for a relatviely short period of time. Unless you have been in contact with one online through some sort of chat, meeting someone here and putting into a bed would be a little difficult with just two weeks. The girls here usually want to be courted for a while. Haha. I'm not saying its not possible, I'm sure guys here can say they've done it pretty quickly and what not, but its not a normal thing for one-night stands etc from good quality non-pro girls.

Everything else you can find here in the forums, just depends on what you are looking for and what your budget is. Have fun man.

I was walking along PNL at about 9pm the other day, a few gals on motorbike tried to say Hi to me and introduce their "service". I've read in ISG that some guys got robbed for dealing in unfamiliar places, so as a newbie here I just said no and ignored them. Actually one of the gals was pretty good looking, the shape was also my type.

Any one here ever tried this?

[QUOTE=************;1119195]Have you tried Vietsingle yet? I've had pretty good luck there![/QUOTE]Hello, Mike, I have tried vietsingle but I have difficulties in communicating with them because the ones that I contact hardly speak English. Even if I google / translate EN VN it's hard.

Somehow they don't understand me so I stopped using that.

After reading over the debate on several VN threads about the quality of mongering in VN, I agree with those who say it's not a good place to go, and the hunting ground is much better in other parts of Asia such as Thailand and the Phillipines. I say this even though I like the Vietnam, know it well and speak the language. I have had some good experiences there, but it's hard to get a satisfying experience. Part of the problem is that you can't bring the girl back to your room, if you're staying in a nice hotel, because of local regulations. That means you have to go with the girl to a mini-hotel which can often be dumpy and provide an unpleasant experience.

In the HCM massage forum, many posters mention the"barbershops" or hoc tocs. One favorite mentioned was Ben Ny also called Benny by posters. I visited the place and was appalled. The cost is 150, 000 entry and 200, 000 tip for a total of 350, 000 or a little less than $17 US. No doubt, it's dirt cheap, but in my view, it's not a good value. The girls are average looking. They invite you into a small cubicle, put you on a massage table with uncomfortable black plastic covering with no sheet or pad which is unsanitary to say the least. You get a brief half-assed rubdown for a few minutes, then a perfunctory blowjob and you're out in less than 20 minutes. It's not a pleasant experience and only really cheap Charlies could enjoy the experience.

If you really have to monger in Vetnam, my recomendation would be to pick up a free-lancer or go to one of the Hai Ba Trung or Le Thanh Ton bars. I've had good luck with 51 and 91 Hai Ba Trung and also one on Le Thanh Ton, but I forgot the name. The total cost at one of the bars is usually around $100 US-$25 for the bar, $25 for the room at the mini-hotel and $50 to the girl for two hours. Sometimes, you can negotiate the price lower, but for a quality girl, you usually have to pay the full freight. I think this represents a better value than $17 at a hoc toc. For one thing, you get two hours in a more comfortable location, so that would be $50 per hour. $17 at the hoc toc for 20 minutes comes out to $51 per hour, so the hoc toc is slightly more expensive for a much lower quality experience.

For a free-lancer, the cost is usually around $35 to $45 for two hours with a better quality girl. The room will be $25 so the total cost comes to $70 or $35 per hour which is a good price if you can find a nice FL. This is the best alternative, although it's not always easy to find a good one.

If you go to a bar, they will want you to go to one of their selected mini-hotels which are often dumpy and uncomfortable. I try to pick my own mini-hotel which is the same price, but nicer. (The bar gets a kick-back from the dumpy hotel, hence the pressure to pick it.) I always insist on picking the mini-hotel. A good one is Mai Kim Loan on 224 Ly Tu Trong St. Near the New World Hotel and the Ben Thanh Market.

Besides the hotel problem, the service level in VN is much lower than other Asian countries. With a few exceptions, customer satisfaction is not a priority in VN mongering.

Compare this experience to Bangkok, where you can bring the girl to your room in a nice hotel and have a wonderful two-hour experience in comfort for less than $100. 1,000 Baht for the house and 1, 500 Baht for the girl or around $75. Alternatively, you can go to a high-class massage parlor, get a bath and wonderful massage and great sex for a total of $75. If you're only going for the mongering, avoid Vietnam.

I see what you are saying, Canyon, but as Ozirob says below all of these hurdles can be overcome in time. I, too, prefer PI and BKK in that order but must go to VN for work so it has taken me six trips to "learn the system". It IS possible to bring a girl to your hotel room if you get to know the hotel manager after staying there several times. I have also picked up pretty grls from HBT, Apocalypse Now, MPs, hot tocs and some very attractive non-pros in the parks many of whom have treated me very nicely.

Personally, I like Benny's. For a quickie. There is a busty girl in there who knows what she is doing!

[QUOTE=Canyon; 1148126]After reading over the debate on several VN threads about the quality of mongering in VN, I agree with those who say it's not a good place to go, and the hunting ground is much better in other parts of Asia such as Thailand and the Phillipines. I say this even though I like the Vietnam, know it well and speak the language. I have had some good experiences there, but it's hard to get a satisfying experience. Part of the problem is that you can't bring the girl back to your room, if you're staying in a nice hotel, because of local regulations. That means you have to go with the girl to a mini-hotel which can often be dumpy and provide an unpleasant experience.

In the HCM massage forum, many posters mention the"barbershops" or hoc tocs. One favorite mentioned was Ben Ny also called Benny by posters. I visited the place and was appalled. The cost is 150, 000 entry and 200, 000 tip for a total of 350, 000 or a little less than $17 US. No doubt, it's dirt cheap, but in my view, it's not a good value. The girls are average looking. They invite you into a small cubicle, put you on a massage table with uncomfortable black plastic covering with no sheet or pad which is unsanitary to say the least. You get a brief half-assed rubdown for a few minutes, then a perfunctory blowjob and you're out in less than 20 minutes. It's not a pleasant experience and only really cheap Charlies could enjoy the experience.

If you really have to monger in Vetnam, my recomendation would be to pick up a free-lancer or go to one of the Hai Ba Trung or Le Thanh Ton bars. I've had good luck with 51 and 91 Hai Ba Trung and also one on Le Thanh Ton, but I forgot the name. The total cost at one of the bars is usually around $100 US-$25 for the bar, $25 for the room at the mini-hotel and $50 to the girl for two hours. Sometimes, you can negotiate the price lower, but for a quality girl, you usually have to pay the full freight. I think this represents a better value than $17 at a hoc toc. For one thing, you get two hours in a more comfortable location, so that would be $50 per hour. $17 at the hoc toc for 20 minutes comes out to $51 per hour, so the hoc toc is slightly more expensive for a much lower quality experience.

For a free-lancer, the cost is usually around $35 to $45 for two hours with a better quality girl. The room will be $25 so the total cost comes to $70 or $35 per hour which is a good price if you can find a nice FL. This is the best alternative, although it's not always easy to find a good one.

If you go to a bar, they will want you to go to one of their selected mini-hotels which are often dumpy and uncomfortable. I try to pick my own mini-hotel which is the same price, but nicer. (The bar gets a kick-back from the dumpy hotel, hence the pressure to pick it.) I always insist on picking the mini-hotel. A good one is Mai Kim Loan on 224 Ly Tu Trong St. Near the New World Hotel and the Ben Thanh Market.

Besides the hotel problem, the service level in VN is much lower than other Asian countries. With a few exceptions, customer satisfaction is not a priority in VN mongering.

Compare this experience to Bangkok, where you can bring the girl to your room in a nice hotel and have a wonderful two-hour experience in comfort for less than $100. 1,000 Baht for the house and 1, 500 Baht for the girl or around $75. Alternatively, you can go to a high-class massage parlor, get a bath and wonderful massage and great sex for a total of $75. If you're only going for the mongering, avoid Vietnam. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marco Schouten; 1143313]Hello, Mike, I have tried vietsingle but I have difficulties in communicating with them because the ones that I contact hardly speak English. Even if I google / translate EN VN it's hard.

Somehow they don't understand me so I stopped using that. [/QUOTE]Use tagged. Plenty of viet girls on there speaking decent english. A few are quick to give up their phone number and meet up. Just play the numbers game and you should do ok.

I took a look at the viet singles site also and never visited again.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1148126]In the HCM massage forum, many posters mention the"barbershops" or hoc tocs. One favorite mentioned was Ben Ny also called Benny by posters. I visited the place and was appalled. The cost is 150, 000 entry and 200, 000 tip for a total of 350, 000 or a little less than $17 US. No doubt, it's dirt cheap, but in my view, it's not a good value. The girls are average looking. They invite you into a small cubicle, put you on a massage table with uncomfortable black plastic covering with no sheet or pad which is unsanitary to say the least. You get a brief half-assed rubdown for a few minutes, then a perfunctory blowjob and you're out in less than 20 minutes. It's not a pleasant experience and only really cheap Charlies could enjoy the experience.[/QUOTE]You overpaid by just a small bit. Thanks to the posts on this forum I was able to go in, throw 6$ on the counter, and tip the girls 5$ without hassle.

My first visit, I probably exchanged my 5 words total during my stay. The next girl in line was Hang. She was ok from the face but had a nice fat butt which is what I like. The overall experience was just as you described. When I tipped I didn't even ask, just handed her 5$ and she happily accepted. It was perhaps THE MOST SMOOTHEST sex transaction I've ever experienced.

Second visit was with Yung. Not the best looking, and she tried to communicate to me how much tip she wanted before she started blowing. I just stood my ground and told her to get to work. After that, tipped her the 5$ which she accepted with only a slight hint of dissapointment.

All in all, worth it if you just want to release your load and get the job done by an ok looking broad.

I know the 6$ difference probably doesn't mean much to a man with your budget and tastes, but for some other dudes it's quite a bargain.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1148126]If you're only going for the mongering, avoid Vietnam.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. I've written it over and over as have others, yet I still get messages asking for info about VN as if it were the same as Thailand or the PI, even though everyone has said it is not even nearly so.

The only thing I'd add is that Hot Toc BJ's are not $17 but a little less than $10 at the current exchange rate which is a good value.

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1149024]I couldn't agree more. I've written it over and over as have others, yet I still get messages asking for info about VN as if it were the same as Thailand or the PI, even though everyone has said it is not even nearly so.

The only thing I'd add is that Hot Toc BJ's are not $17 but a little less than $10 at the current exchange rate which is a good value.

JD[/QUOTE]Fact is that it is full of vietnamese girls being WG's in mongering places like KL, Singapore, Macau, HK so probably lots of people assumes that Vietnam is a good place to monger too.

Probably these girls work abroad as in their homeland it is far more difficult.

Contrary to Thai and Philipino, heading out to beat the over-offer at home, and also earning more.

Think about what a Vietnamese girl earns in HCMC for a BJ or a FS and think how much she can get in Singapore or HK. True that they spend a lot to go and live there, plus the cut for the middle-man / woman. But could well be that the math is still favourable to them.

Talked once to a thai WG telling me that one month of work in Singapore is worth 6 months work at home. So she works in Singapore and takes long weeks off with the family (in Isaan of course, where else?)

[QUOTE=Canyon;1148126]...For a free-lancer, the cost is usually around $35 to $45 for two hours with a better quality girl. The room will be $25 so the total cost comes to $70 or $35 per hour which is a good price if you can find a nice FL. This is the best alternative, although it's not always easy to find a good one...[/QUOTE]

This represents a minute slice of the pie available to the (un-informed) foreign monger in HCMC without much time on his hands. ie a free-lancer from Apo or Gossip, room at a mini-hotel in D1. As for those of us who live here long term, speak enough of the language to get by and can get around on motorbike:

FL: VND 300.000 - VND 500.000 ST depending on where you pick them up from (SWs / moto-girls / off-shift nha hang / naughty salon / hot toc / cafe om girls, etc.) , VND 500.000 - VND 1M LT (high end of this spectrum is what I would typically offer an off-shift KTV / nha hang girl for O / N, multiple pops.

Room at no-tell mini-hotel: Forget D1, there are clusters of these in EVERY district, you just have to know which streets / where they are. Look at any of JD's photos for a typical example. VND 50.000 1 hr, VND 70.000 2 hrs, VND 100.000 3 hrs, VND 250.000 O/N are typical rates. Some are dumpy like you said, but many are not and quite decent, actually.

My brother in law just returned from a trip to HCMC. He went there to visit someone he met online. I had mentioned maybe I would like to come along on his next trip this summer. Me being the monger I'am I was just trying to figure out if I would be able to have any experiences, being on my own and no clue of the language. He did mention due to the family situation he had to get a room with his friend in order to have sex. He claims at the hotel he was questioned by the police who were trying to determine if his girl was a prostitute or what the releationship was. Sounds like mit might be a bad place to monger any info is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Hugotheman;1151333]My brother in law just returned from a trip to HCMC. He went there to visit someone he met online. I had mentioned maybe I would like to come along on his next trip this summer. Me being the monger I'am I was just trying to figure out if I would be able to have any experiences, being on my own and no clue of the language. He did mention due to the family situation he had to get a room with his friend in order to have sex. He claims at the hotel he was questioned by the police who were trying to determine if his girl was a prostitute or what the releationship was. Sounds like mit might be a bad place to monger any info is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Full of reports in here on how much hotels, especially the 4, are not GFE at all.

O the contrary, they have to obey to government and police regulations.

There is always a claer sign that any hotel guest' guest is not allowed after 9pm.

Your reports proves that even if the hotel accepted them, the police was on duty. Too bad.

Head to Thailand!

Or if you are after vietnamese girsl, try Singapore, Hong Kong or Macau. P4p, of coruse

[QUOTE=Muse Fan;1148447]Use tagged. Plenty of viet girls on there speaking decent english. A few are quick to give up their phone number and meet up. Just play the numbers game and you should do ok.[/QUOTE]Took a look at this following this post, interesting site. I've already been approached by a cute 26 year old who wants a married bf. For 200usd a month LOL

[QUOTE=Jon Does;1151703]Took a look at this following this post, interesting site. I've already been approached by a cute 26 year old who wants a married bf. For 200usd a month LOL[/QUOTE]Yes, lots of Viet girls and women looking on Tagged. Be sure to agree about how many times per month you can fuck her for the $200. I'd suggest sex before paying, at least 4 times before the first $200. If you both agree, then continue. But I'd say once a week should be the minimum at that price, provided she is very good-looking and has some skills in bed. Post her pics here when you can.

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1151969]Yes, lots of Viet girls and women looking on Tagged. Be sure to agree about how many times per month you can fuck her for the $200. I'd suggest sex before paying, at least 4 times before the first $200. If you both agree, then continue. But I'd say once a week should be the minimum at that price, provided she is very good-looking and has some skills in bed. Post her pics here when you can.

JD[/QUOTE]Cheers JD, she started off at $300, I just said too much for too little time. I'm not available for too much free time and IF I can find a nice "GF" on standby and easy going that will suit me nicely.

I have said 1-2 times a week so at least on the right track. I'm still in negotiations as it's a new area for me (I'm used to p4p as and when I want, just not a regular like this) I don't want her thinking it's wine and dining. As I'm not interested nor do I have the time for that. So I need to make sure she understands my position as much as I do hers.

She's also suggested $100 first two weeks and then 2nd after that, but I do need to get a trial run in first tho to make sure she's not a dud LOL.

So watch this space.

Pic attached but more to follow should things proceed.

[QUOTE=Jon Does; 1152006]Cheers JD, she started off at $300, I just said too much for too little time. I'm not available for too much free time and IF I can find a nice "GF" on standby and easy going that will suit me nicely.

I have said 1-2 times a week so at least on the right track. I'm still in negotiations as it's a new area for me (I'm used to p4p as and when I want, just not a regular like this) I don't want her thinking it's wine and dining. As I'm not interested nor do I have the time for that. So I need to make sure she understands my position as much as I do hers.

She's also suggested $100 first two weeks and then 2nd after that, but I do need to get a trial run in first tho to make sure she's not a dud LOL.

So watch this space.

Pic attached but more to follow should things proceed. [/QUOTE]I think you are better off "A La Carte" with her, like a call girl. You want her, she meets, do your thing, you pay her. No meet, no pay. I think having her on retainer can only work to her advantage as she will often be sick, busy or away.

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao;1152009]I think you are better off "A La Carte" with her, like a call girl. You want her, she meets, do your thing, you pay her. No meet, no pay. I think having her on retainer can only work to her advantage as she will often be sick, busy or away.JD[/QUOTE]Yep another piece of good advice.

I'll suggest that and see what she says.

[QUOTE=Jon Does;1152006]I have said 1-2 times a week so at least on the right track. I'm still in negotiations as it's a new area for me (I'm used to p4p as and when I want, just not a regular like this) I don't want her thinking it's wine and dining. As I'm not interested nor do I have the time for that. So I need to make sure she understands my position as much as I do hers.[/QUOTE]This looks like Nhi. I'the be a little careful with her and make sure you have a back up. She has a crazy Viet boyfriend and says she works at a detective agency. She quoted me $800k for 4 hours but I passed because something didn't feel right. She is also a little unstable emotionally. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Adhome01;1152230]This looks like Nhi. I'the be a little careful with her and make sure you have a back up. She has a crazy Viet boyfriend and says she works at a detective agency. She quoted me $800k for 4 hours but I passed because something didn't feel right. She is also a little unstable emotionally. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Hahaha guess you're right with Nhi although she calls herself Laura, look at the pic attached from her tagged. Definitely same, ask her gor for her Y and you can learn much more BS. Tagged is starting to be crowded by lots of touts, fake profiles, posted Mobile no. S to harrass others, webcam posters that ask you for mobiphone prepaid cards bla bla bla but the detective agency is real great, you made my day.

Enjoy the weekend

She goes by the name laura nguyen on tagged, said she needs help with bills for her and her poor mother, stay far clear from her.

[QUOTE=Jon Does; 1152006]Cheers JD, she started off at $300, I just said too much for too little time. I'm not available for too much free time and IF I can find a nice "GF" on standby and easy going that will suit me nicely.

I have said 1-2 times a week so at least on the right track. I'm still in negotiations as it's a new area for me (I'm used to p4p as and when I want, just not a regular like this) I don't want her thinking it's wine and dining. As I'm not interested nor do I have the time for that. So I need to make sure she understands my position as much as I do hers.

She's also suggested $100 first two weeks and then 2nd after that, but I do need to get a trial run in first tho to make sure she's not a dud LOL.

So watch this space.

Pic attached but more to follow should things proceed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ajashi; 1152309]Hahaha guess you're right with Nhi although she calls herself Laura, look at the pic attached from her tagged. Definitely same, ask her gor for her Y and you can learn much more BS. Tagged is starting to be crowded by lots of touts, fake profiles, posted Mobile no. S to harrass others, webcam posters that ask you for mobiphone prepaid cards bla bla bla but the detective agency is real great, you made my day.

Enjoy the weekend[/QUOTE]She's been "working" for at least 3 years that I know of and spends almost all day on Tagged & Yahoo (I'm sure others sites too. I'd love to hear if anyone has meet up with her and their experience. With all her craziness, it just seemed like some sort of scam. If anyone has met up with her, let us know how it went.

It's pretty sad about Tagged. It's starting to parallel the streets of VN. But there are plenty of jems, you just need a lot of time and patients. If I were a short time visitor to VN, I wouldn't bother with these sites. With the help of this forum, short-time action is exceptionally easy to find.

Hello, guys. Help me out here. I will be in Hochi Minh in 2 weeks time and will be staying at the Sheraton in D1 for 4 nights. I will be with a partner so need actions close by. I would love to go to. Thanking you. An hot toc like Bennys brothels and cafe oms. Please let me know

hey guys.

tltr:

play it safe and go to bng or fs. bg / fl are hit and miss and show mostly very little interest in making a good performance.

/tltr.

today something quite funny happened. it all started when i wanted to drop by benny for some quick bj, unfortunately i forgot they close so damn early so instead i opted to check xvnt for some bike girls.

just as i make the turn into xvnt 2 girls on a bike approach me. one of them clearly looked ****d so i opted for the driver instead which at that point looked pretty good and seemed promising.

little did i know that it turned into one of the possible most frustrating and slightly dangerous mongering situations i was ever in. when she led me to the shabby hotel where the owner really hates me, i should have already backed out or at least when she started smoking before we went into the room. but no, i had to see it through and also ignored the fact that she was texting somebody all the time. even while she was doing a hj.

didn't want to start a discussion so i let it all go up to the point when i was trying hard to penetrate her. i really didn't think it could be possible but that girl was too tight, her pussy was seriously tiny and i'm not even sure if anybody could ever fuck her. not even a ff. tried for a couple of minutes and slipped into her ass every now and then which was not very appreciated by her. anyway, in the end i gave up after her potty mouth was annoying me too much and shoved her away. asked her nicely to refund half of the money. hey, you got to try. and this is where the big discussion began.

what impact it can have when you tell somebody that she's boring and absolutely not fun. so it goes a bit back and forth while she keeps cursing me and i tell her that she's just a freak and unfriendly as heck in a very decent manner. finally, she decides to threaten me and texts her pimp to come. obviously he's no threat to me at all but sometimes you just don't know so i still decided that i don't need unnecessary attention and left. as i was coming out and turning around the corner i see her pimp with the other girl rushing in. guess that was really good timing on my part. of course i was extremely pissed at that point but after a while i just think that fucking hilarious. that was some crazy tight pussy.

so after benny was closed and biker girl was a big fail, i got even more motivated and just went straight to the airport. damn, that fs girl was just sensational. her bj was first class and better than any i had at benny's. it really makes an impression when she moans like crazy and keeps screaming to fuck her harder and even asks you to keep fucking her because she didn't come yet even though you blew your load.

something that was also very cool: i texted my usual girl there that i'm coming around but won't choose her this time. her answer was that it's ok and that she will go upstairs so i can choose freely when i'm there. that's what i call a good service.

so quite a happy ending and i remembered again why i avoided biker girls for the past few months.

[QUOTE=Adhome01;1152230]She has a crazy Viet boyfriend and says she works at a detective agency. She quoted me $800k for 4 hours but I passed because something didn't feel right. She is also a little unstable emotionally. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Ok crazy bf and unstable is enough to keep me away LOL and detective agency hmmm.

[QUOTE=Ajashi;1152309]Hahaha guess you're right with Nhi although she calls herself Laura, look at the pic attached from her tagged. Definitely same, ask her gor for her Y and you can learn much more BS. Tagged is starting to be crowded by lots of touts, fake profiles[/QUOTE]Same as most other sites daly, but dig around and take time can throw up a good un now and then, I have plenty of time to do that LOL.

[QUOTE=Expatriot;1152322]She goes by the name laura nguyen on tagged, said she needs help with bills for her and her poor mother, stay far clear from her.[/QUOTE]didn't mention any reasons for wanting the money but I didn't ask either took it as read she was a pro (or semi at least but)

[QUOTE=Adhome01;1152546]With all her craziness, it just seemed like some sort of scam. If anyone has met up with her, let us know how it went.[/QUOTE]Ditto.

Cheers guys think I'll avoid this one, I want summit nice and simple not a crazy bimbo LOL

[QUOTE=Tonytan47;1153048]An hot toc like Bennys brothels and cafe oms. Please let me know[/QUOTE]Benny's is a short xe om ride from the Sheraton probably worth a trip if you get a chance.

[QUOTE=Jon Does; 1153233]Ok crazy bf and unstable is enough to keep me away LOL and detective agency hmmm.

Same as most other sites daly, but dig around and take time can throw up a good un now and then, I have plenty of time to do that LOL. [/QUOTE]Tagged is still working out great for me. I met one very cute 19 yr old that I started fucking on the 3rd date. She hasn't asked for any money but I know she wants a full time man. I'm traveling to the north right now and told her I'd be back, but I got at least 3 more waiting to meet me when I get back to saigon.

I haven't had trouble with touts or chicks asking for money so far. Just stay away from the profiles that were opened up recently with 1 pic that looks bogus.

Cheers.

After reading the previous posts about that chick from tagged, I got to thinking.

Anyone ever dealt with this girl in the past? Her name is Duong (sounds like Yung) off of tagged, she just turned 19. I've been dating her for a while and she's seems genuine enough. Hasn't asked for money and when we first started dating she would pay for her own meals and junk. Now I pay for her meals and drinks, but I get to bone her like 4 times a day when I see her. She speaks english very well. She's definitely looking for a full time foreigner boyfriend and she shows it.

But. I just got this slight feeling deep in my gut that something doesn't seem right. I can't explain it. Her pics on her profile aren't hers and she says it is due to the fact that someone was using her pics fraudulently about a year ago. Alarm bells anyone?

I saw the pic on a computer and the lighting was just fine, but if it doesn't come out good on my post please say so.

Any info will be appreciated, but none would also be a good sign. LOL.

[QUOTE=Muse Fan; 1154017]After reading the previous posts about that chick from tagged, I got to thinking.

Anyone ever dealt with this girl in the past? Her name is Duong (sounds like Yung) off of tagged, she just turned 19. I've been dating her for a while and she's seems genuine enough. Hasn't asked for money and when we first started dating she would pay for her own meals and junk. Now I pay for her meals and drinks, but I get to bone her like 4 times a day when I see her. She speaks english very well. She's definitely looking for a full time foreigner boyfriend and she shows it.

But. I just got this slight feeling deep in my gut that something doesn't seem right. I can't explain it. Her pics on her profile aren't hers and she says it is due to the fact that someone was using her pics fraudulently about a year ago. Alarm bells anyone?

I saw the pic on a computer and the lighting was just fine, but if it doesn't come out good on my post please say so.

Any info will be appreciated, but none would also be a good sign. LOL. [/QUOTE]Well, from the very little we can see of her in this picture, we see that she's a got a real hot little bod like a 19 YO should. Her face is unrecognizable. Since you've already boned her four times a day a few times all for the cost of a few meals and drinks, I'd say you are way, way ahead of the game. What more could you want?

It's reasonable for her to put up other girl's pics on her Tagged page so that she can retain plausible deniability in the event her boyfriend or family member were to see her cruising for guys on that site. As long as she looks in person about as good as the girl in the Tagged profile, no harm done. Consider it a big score for you and move on.

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1154294]Well, from the very little we can see of her in this picture, we see that she's a got a real hot little bod like a 19 YO should. Her face is unrecognizable. Since you've already boned her four times a day a few times all for the cost of a few meals and drinks, I'd say you are way, way ahead of the game. What more could you want?

It's reasonable for her to put up other girl's pics on her Tagged page so that she can retain plausible deniability in the event her boyfriend or family member were to see her cruising for guys on that site. As long as she looks in person about as good as the girl in the Tagged profile, no harm done. Consider it a big score for you and move on.

JD[/QUOTE]Sound solid enough when you put it that way. Thanks for the insight JD.

Hi All Vietnam Fellow Mongers,

A few friends and myself are coming to HCM for about a week. I have never contributed here before as I have never been to Vietnam but have contributed in other locations such as India threads.

I have search through some of the threads here but can't find much useful reports on GF friendly hotel near District 9 or even Mongering activities clubs or bars near District 9. Can I enquire which hotels are GF which is near to District 9? And what are the good places for mongering or drinking such as nightclubs or bars etc? As all of us has never partied in HCM before so we want to make sure our one week is spent worthwhile as we might not get another chance like this again.

I am willing to spend for any fellow mongers who are willing to show us around in that one week. We have every night to party so please do let me help. Thanks bros!

[QUOTE=Jeffrey Jones; 1158114]Hi All Vietnam Fellow Mongers,

A few friends and myself are coming to HCM for about a week. I have never contributed here before as I have never been to Vietnam but have contributed in other locations such as India threads.

I have search through some of the threads here but can't find much useful reports on GF friendly hotel near District 9 or even Mongering activities clubs or bars near District 9. Can I enquire which hotels are GF which is near to District 9? And what are the good places for mongering or drinking such as nightclubs or bars etc? As all of us has never partied in HCM before so we want to make sure our one week is spent worthwhile as we might not get another chance like this again.

I am willing to spend for any fellow mongers who are willing to show us around in that one week. We have every night to party so please do let me help. Thanks bros! [/QUOTE]District 9 is far far far out of town, east of Saigon (although technically part of the present-day Ho Chi Minh City). Most of District 9 is closer to Dong Nai Province. I once had to visit someone in D9 and the taxi was around 400k Dong! Never been there since. I don't know anybody who lives there or visits there. I think that's where the new Intel plants is located. Hotels or mongering in D9? Well, there are girls everywhere in Vietnam so there must be some in D9 but it is certainly not a place a tourist / visitor would ever go. Why not stay in Saigon, somewhere near the city?

JD

[QUOTE=Jeffrey Jones; 1158114]Hi All Vietnam Fellow Mongers,

A few friends and myself are coming to HCM for about a week. I have never contributed here before as I have never been to Vietnam but have contributed in other locations such as India threads.

I have search through some of the threads here but can't find much useful reports on GF friendly hotel near District 9 or even Mongering activities clubs or bars near District 9. Can I enquire which hotels are GF which is near to District 9? And what are the good places for mongering or drinking such as nightclubs or bars etc? As all of us has never partied in HCM before so we want to make sure our one week is spent worthwhile as we might not get another chance like this again.

I am willing to spend for any fellow mongers who are willing to show us around in that one week. We have every night to party so please do let me help. Thanks bros![/QUOTE]Can only second what JD said. You are at the very border of hcm but at least close to Thu Duc. But as JD said, D9 has also its places. I don't know where but just ask your taxi driver. He will show you. Given that you don't mind him getting a little fee but if you read the board you know the prices. Shady place no more than 200-500k. Anything else could be a couple of millions.

Partying? I don't know what kind of party you are looking for but I'm pretty sure its not going to be what you would expect. Look around D9 for "cafe" places with tons of bikes in front of them. Those are actually bars with super loud music, sometimes gogo girls and always tons of working girls. Get a table and the gay maitre will assign you a couple of bitches. You are free to turn them down and he will send some others. Just make sure he knows you want freelancers and not bar girls (you will recognize them by their dresses) that just drink with you and are only allowed to leave when the club closes at 11 sharp. They usually just get tips by hanging out with guests but rarely go home with non regulars if they go at all.

Hand signs work wonders. Enjoy your trip

[QUOTE=Disher;1159192]...Partying? I don't know what kind of party you are looking for but I'm pretty sure its not going to be what you would expect. Look around D9 for "cafe" places with tons of bikes in front of them. Those are actually bars with super loud music, sometimes gogo girls and always tons of working girls. Get a table and the gay maitre will assign you a couple of bitches. You are free to turn them down and he will send some others. Just make sure he knows you want freelancers and not bar girls (you will recognize them by their dresses) that just drink with you and are only allowed to leave when the club closes at 11 sharp. They usually just get tips by hanging out with guests but rarely go home with non regulars if they go at all...[/QUOTE]You mean when the [b]cafe[/b] closes at 11 sharp?

[QUOTE=Raverboy;1159332]You mean when the [b]cafe[/b] closes at 11 sharp?[/QUOTE]Cafe or bar. Don't think it matters. Everything closes early unless you are in district 1. Not many can afford or are willing to buy that license or the cops.

This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.

[b]The Bars [/b]

There's a star rating (* * *) for each bar. Remember, your own taste may be different. In the best bars (three *'s and above) you can usually find some very attractive girls, often with a difficult choice of which girl you like best. In most bars (* * to * * ½) , there is still a chance of finding a hot girl, but less likely than in those rated * * * and above. In the bars at * ½ and under, you will be lucky if a very cute one is there, and these places usually have mostly less attractive or older girls (for example, it would be rare that 49 Dong Khoi has [i]any[/i] Girls who could get hired at 91 Hai Ba Trung). But if you visited every bar in one evening, you almost surely would find one pleasant surprise in one of the lesser rated bars.

Many of the names of these bars are just a number, which is their address, so for those only their address is listed.

[b] HAI BA TRUNG AREA[/b]

[b]35 Hai Ba Trung * *[/b] Small relaxing bar with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above avg. In quality. A balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better.

[b]49 Hai Ba Trung * * ½[/b] Fairly large bar, relaxed, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. Girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35.

[b]51 Hai Ba Trung * * *[/b] A bit smaller than 49, but just as relaxed. Better than average girl selection and quality (more so than 49, in my opinion). This one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. They also have 2 pool tables, one in back a step down and another up on balcony level.

[b]91 Hai Ba Trung * * * ½[/b] This bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger and taller. It is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, and the girls more full of themselves (they're pretty and know it) but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. This would get 4 stars if girls there were as friendly as in other bars. Not relaxing.

[b]2 Sisters * * [/b] 44 Dong Du. (formerly Saigon NY) Small bar near the corner of Dong Du and Hai Ba Trung, actually off HBT street. It has more of a social and fun vibe than most bars, but girls are slightly below average in general. They're nicer than ones in most of the bars though. Some girls here wear ao dais, which seems to be their code for "not available". There is a pool table upstairs, though I'm not sure how relaxed it is up there.

[b]Trai Tao (Apple) * [/b] 13 Dong Du. Across the street from Saigon NY on Dong Du just near corner of HBT. Small bar with and mainly average girls, from what I could see. Honestly I haven't checked this one out very well. Almost surely relaxing.

[b]Thien Loc * * [/b] 23 Hai Ba Trung. At the corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi. One billiard table, the whole bar is just one room one level. This one recently reopened, but was always one of the most active bars in terms of entertainment. Might have 1 or 2 cuties with around 6 more ordinary ones.

[b]29 Mac Thi Buoi ½[/b] Very small new bar down the end of an alley on Mac Thi Buoi (not to be confused with the much better 29 Dong Khoi). The alley is very near the restaurant called Juice. It has one quite cute girl who is the boss's girlfriend and isn't allowed to sit with customers, plus a small group of other girls who are not attractive. Probably relaxing.

[b] DONG KHOI STREET[/b]

[b]29 Dong Khoi * * ½[/b] On the last block before the Majestic Hotel (near the river). It has 2 levels and about a dozen girls, but in terms of looks they're below average overall, except for the occassional few new ones. It is the one bar of all of these that offers by far the best customer service. Anything goes here. If you are lucky enough to spot a stunning girl here, this place can be heaven. There are couches upstairs and also a very small private room in the back. Relaxing and then some.

[b]49 Dong Khoi 0 stars[/b] A sad little bar way in the back down a long narrow hallway and upstairs. The girls are really not very pretty in this one. Seems to be designed to lure in unsuspecting tourists who don't know what other options are nearby. I prefer not to think about how relaxed the atmosphere is here, but it almost surely is. If you noticed the lack of stars above, that was intentional.

[b] THAI VAN LUNG / THI SACH AREA[/b]

[b]Smiley Bar * * [/b] 8A / 7D2 Thai Van Lung. Right at the intersection of Cao Ba Quat. Big bar, quite a few girls but choices are bit below average in quality. Upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. Things get much more entertaining and relaxing upstairs.

[b]Chieu Thuy * [/b] 40 Thai Van Lung. On Thai Van Lung near the corner of Ly Tu Truong, at the top of the "hill." Selection and quality of girls here is distinctly below average. Pool table in front and sofas in back.

[b]Vua Trai Dua (Coconut) *½ [/b] 15B Thi Sach. On the next parallel street over (Thi Sach) as you head back toward Hai Ba Trung. This is the the same street Apocalypse Now is located on, but at the opposite end near Le Thanh Ton. Girls here seem very average, and it's a smaller bar.

[b]Momo bar [/b] 15C Thi Sach. New small bar next to Vua Trai Dua that I have not been to yet.

[b]Little Princess [/b] 5E Nguyen Sieu. New, small bar on the side street opposite 91 Hai Ba Trung. I have not tried this one out yet.

[b] LE THANH TON AREA[/b]

[b]Quan Nho * * * [/b] 13 Le Thanh Ton. A very small bar with just around 6 girls. Sofas upstairs (3 levels total) to spend time with your girl. Atnosphere more upscale than the rest of these bars. No billiards tables. They tend to get a higher level of talent in their small lineup. Quite relaxing atmosphere upstairs.

[b]Bin Bin * * * [/b] 13 Le Thanh Ton. Just across the alley from Quan Nho. This bar has the second most girls and second prettiest overall after 91. Quality of the girls here is quite good overall, sometimes excellent, and attitude and willingness usually quite good too. It has an upstairs for further entertainment. Relaxation status uncertain.

[b]How It Works[/b]

After you take a seat, normally one girl will soon approach you. Each girl is in queue to be the one who first approaches a new customer. The problem with this system (for us) is that the girl who greets you is almost never the one you want. In that case, just let the bartender know so that girl after girl doesn't approach you like this. If you prefer no girl, you can just tell the bartender you only want to have a drink but no girl. If you want a chance to have your drink while discreetly checking out the girls first before deciding, you can tell the bartender you want to wait first before choosing. In some bars they will then ask you if you want to see the girls line up for you to choose from, and they will turn up the lights so you can actually see the girls. (91 and Bin Bin typically do this) If they don't immediately offer this, you could request to see them this way.

Once you are sitting with a girl, after 2-3 lady drinks normally the girl will ask if you want to do more with her later, namely to go visit your hotel together. Some may also like to do as much as they can to get you feeling relaxed right there in the bar, which is allowed in some of these bars (but not all). If you only want to talk / grope / hug / kiss / etc. A bit at the bar, that's also fine. You must try to sense what the girl is willing to do, or else let her lead the way and show you.

These bars are perfect if you prefer to go out alone and hope to meet a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without any distractions or risks (such as: she is not that kind of girl-all these girls are that kind; the place is too crowded; the place is so loud you can't have conversation; etc.) Also, these bars are all in comfortable walking distance of each other. If you don't like what a bar has to offer, you can try the next one that is only a few steps away. If you prefer to visit one of these bars with friends, they can put your group in a private room with a low table where everyone sits on cushions. These rooms can also be used even if you are solo. You can have fun with your girl right there in the bar, or else more fun at your hotel. There are different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. Some actually allow you to do anything, and I mean anything, right in the bar. But in most you can only go to a certain point, and only when you and your girl are hidden somewhere such as in a balcony level or back room.

About prices, the price for a beer is 30, 000 (maybe still 25, 000 in some) and 50, 000 for a 'lady drink. ' (one notable exception: Quan Nho charges 50, 000 for a beer but also 50, 000 for a lady drink). In any bar, your girl will keep asking for another drink whenever she finishes one, that's standard. Don't become upset. To take a girl out, you have to buy her 5 or 6 drinks first, but normally those just get added to your bill, even if she doesn't really drink them. It's really just a barfine. For example, if you had 2 beers and she had 2 lady drinks, and you decide to take her out, they would charge you for the drinks that the 2 of you really drank (60, 000 for your 2 beers plus 100, 000 for her 2 drinks: which equals 160, 000 total) PLUS an additional (and imaginary) 4 lady drinks (200, 000) , so your total bar bill would be 360, 000. In other words, the barfine is 300, 000. And now the 2 of you are free to enjoy your evening together. The number of total drinks you must buy also depends a little on your negotiation skills, and some bars will ask for more lady drinks. As for the girl's payment, they tend to ask for 1 million for 2 hrs or so these days, but can occassionally be bargained down to as low as 800, 000.

If the bar tries to charge you a higher price for each beer or drink, tell them you were just here last week and paid only 30, 000 for each beer and 50, 000 for each lady drink-usually the bartender will play it safe and retreat to the normal price. If the bartender ever puts things like nuts or chewing gum in front of you and your girl, just have the bartender take them away. It's only a tactic to pad the bill at the end-they charge far more than those things really cost. Finally, if you want to leave the bar and not take your girl, then you should at least give her a tip. Standard tip these days is about 100, 000. If the girl's attitude was not very good, then a bit less is ok. They tend to feel insulted if it's 50, 000 or lower. If her attitude was good, pay higher accordingly. To make a good impression on a girl I want to see again, I would leave her a tip of 150, 000, or even 200, 000 for one who's very special. If you leave no tip, there's a good chance all the girls there would discuss it and brand you a "cheap charlie" after that.

If you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality in the bars fluctuates. Also, if you get there late at night or after a big group of customers has arrived together, the choices left over may be few. 7pm seems to be a peak time when you can expect almost all the girls who work there to be present and available.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Disher;1160183]Cafe or bar. Don't think it matters. Everything closes early unless you are in district 1. Not many can afford or are willing to buy that license or the cops.[/QUOTE]It does. 'Cafes' have to close at 11 pm. No exceptions. 'Bars' like Napoly, Bui, etc. Till 1 am. 'Discos' are allowed to operate till 2-3 am. A select few with the right connections go on till about 4-5 am (27, Go2, etc.)

[QUOTE=Raverboy;1160368]It does. 'Cafes' have to close at 11 pm. No exceptions. 'Bars' like Napoly, Bui, etc. Till 1 am. 'Discos' are allowed to operate till 2-3 am. A select few with the right connections go on till about 4-5 am (27, Go2, etc.)[/QUOTE]Thank you for your obvious clarification but but I'm not sure what for. It's not like I said everything closes early in d1 or d3/5 for that matter. Our friend here wants to hang in d9, all your places are in d1/3/5 which cater mostly to tourists or are simply places where rich locals hang out.

D9 is not very famous for having a great night life nor is it comparable to an phu or phu my where the wealthy live.

But anyway, thanks@wendella for another excellent report.

[QUOTE=Muse Fan; 1153955]Tagged is still working out great for me. I met one very cute 19 yr old that I started fucking on the 3rd date. She hasn't asked for any money but I know she wants a full time man. I'm traveling to the north right now and told her I'd be back, but I got at least 3 more waiting to meet me when I get back to saigon.

I haven't had trouble with touts or chicks asking for money so far. Just stay away from the profiles that were opened up recently with 1 pic that looks bogus.

Cheers. [/QUOTE]I boned her already, cost, one caphe the, crazy boy friend, not so crazy, I yelled at him he took off. I boned her at her house, told her my house is not GF, she bought it.

Thanks for the useful tips bro. Will bare in mind all these.

[QUOTE=Disher; 1159192]Can only second what JD said. You are at the very border of hcm but at least close to Thu Duc. But as JD said, D9 has also its places. I don't know where but just ask your taxi driver. He will show you. Given that you don't mind him getting a little fee but if you read the board you know the prices. Shady place no more than 200-500k. Anything else could be a couple of millions.

Partying? I don't know what kind of party you are looking for but I'm pretty sure its not going to be what you would expect. Look around D9 for "cafe" places with tons of bikes in front of them. Those are actually bars with super loud music, sometimes gogo girls and always tons of working girls. Get a table and the gay maitre will assign you a couple of bitches. You are free to turn them down and he will send some others. Just make sure he knows you want freelancers and not bar girls (you will recognize them by their dresses) that just drink with you and are only allowed to leave when the club closes at 11 sharp. They usually just get tips by hanging out with guests but rarely go home with non regulars if they go at all.

Hand signs work wonders. Enjoy your trip[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the great guide, Wendella!

[QUOTE=Wendella;1160342]This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1160342]This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.

[b]The Bars [/b]

There's a star rating (* * *) for each bar. Remember, your own taste may be different. In the best bars (three *'s and above) you can usually find some very attractive girls, often with a difficult choice of which girl you like best. In most bars (* * to * * ½) , there is still a chance of finding a hot girl, but less likely than in those rated * * * and above. In the bars at * ½ and under, you will be lucky if a very cute one is there, and these places usually have mostly less attractive or older girls (for example, it would be rare that 49 Dong Khoi has [i]any[/i] Girls who could get hired at 91 Hai Ba Trung). But if you visited every bar in one evening, you almost surely would find one pleasant surprise in one of the lesser rated bars.

Many of the names of these bars are just a number, which is their address, so for those only their address is listed.

[b] HAI BA TRUNG AREA[/b]

[b]35 Hai Ba Trung * *[/b] Small relaxing bar with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above avg. In quality. A balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better.

[b]49 Hai Ba Trung * * ½[/b] Fairly large bar, relaxed, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. Girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35.

[b]51 Hai Ba Trung * * *[/b] A bit smaller than 49, but just as relaxed. Better than average girl selection and quality (more so than 49, in my opinion). This one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. They also have 2 pool tables, one in back a step down and another up on balcony level.

[b]91 Hai Ba Trung * * * ½[/b] This bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger and taller. It is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, and the girls more full of themselves (they're pretty and know it) but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. This would get 4 stars if girls there were as friendly as in other bars. Not relaxing.

[b]2 Sisters * * [/b] 44 Dong Du. (formerly Saigon NY) Small bar near the corner of Dong Du and Hai Ba Trung, actually off HBT street. It has more of a social and fun vibe than most bars, but girls are slightly below average in general. They're nicer than ones in most of the bars though. Some girls here wear ao dais, which seems to be their code for "not available". There is a pool table upstairs, though I'm not sure how relaxed it is up there.

[b]Trai Tao (Apple) * [/b] 13 Dong Du. Across the street from Saigon NY on Dong Du just near corner of HBT. Small bar with and mainly average girls, from what I could see. Honestly I haven't checked this one out very well. Almost surely relaxing.

[b]Thien Loc * * [/b] 23 Hai Ba Trung. At the corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi. One billiard table, the whole bar is just one room one level. This one recently reopened, but was always one of the most active bars in terms of entertainment. Might have 1 or 2 cuties with around 6 more ordinary ones.

[b]29 Mac Thi Buoi ½[/b] Very small new bar down the end of an alley on Mac Thi Buoi (not to be confused with the much better 29 Dong Khoi). The alley is very near the restaurant called Juice. It has one quite cute girl who is the boss's girlfriend and isn't allowed to sit with customers, plus a small group of other girls who are not attractive. Probably relaxing.

[b] DONG KHOI STREET[/b]

[b]29 Dong Khoi * * ½[/b] On the last block before the Majestic Hotel (near the river). It has 2 levels and about a dozen girls, but in terms of looks they're below average overall, except for the occassional few new ones. It is the one bar of all of these that offers by far the best customer service. Anything goes here. If you are lucky enough to spot a stunning girl here, this place can be heaven. There are couches upstairs and also a very small private room in the back. Relaxing and then some.

[b]49 Dong Khoi 0 stars[/b] A sad little bar way in the back down a long narrow hallway and upstairs. The girls are really not very pretty in this one. Seems to be designed to lure in unsuspecting tourists who don't know what other options are nearby. I prefer not to think about how relaxed the atmosphere is here, but it almost surely is. If you noticed the lack of stars above, that was intentional.

[b] THAI VAN LUNG / THI SACH AREA[/b]

[b]Smiley Bar * * [/b] 8A / 7D2 Thai Van Lung. Right at the intersection of Cao Ba Quat. Big bar, quite a few girls but choices are bit below average in quality. Upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. Things get much more entertaining and relaxing upstairs.

[b]Chieu Thuy * [/b] 40 Thai Van Lung. On Thai Van Lung near the corner of Ly Tu Truong, at the top of the "hill." Selection and quality of girls here is distinctly below average. Pool table in front and sofas in back.

[b]Vua Trai Dua (Coconut) *½ [/b] 15B Thi Sach. On the next parallel street over (Thi Sach) as you head back toward Hai Ba Trung. This is the the same street Apocalypse Now is located on, but at the opposite end near Le Thanh Ton. Girls here seem very average, and it's a smaller bar.

[b]Momo bar [/b] 15C Thi Sach. New small bar next to Vua Trai Dua that I have not been to yet.

[b]Little Princess [/b] 5E Nguyen Sieu. New, small bar on the side street opposite 91 Hai Ba Trung. I have not tried this one out yet.

[b] LE THANH TON AREA[/b]

[b]Quan Nho * * * [/b] 13 Le Thanh Ton. A very small bar with just around 6 girls. Sofas upstairs (3 levels total) to spend time with your girl. Atnosphere more upscale than the rest of these bars. No billiards tables. They tend to get a higher level of talent in their small lineup. Quite relaxing atmosphere upstairs.

[b]Bin Bin * * * [/b] 13 Le Thanh Ton. Just across the alley from Quan Nho. This bar has the second most girls and second prettiest overall after 91. Quality of the girls here is quite good overall, sometimes excellent, and attitude and willingness usually quite good too. It has an upstairs for further entertainment. Relaxation status uncertain.

[b]How It Works[/b]

After you take a seat, normally one girl will soon approach you. Each girl is in queue to be the one who first approaches a new customer. The problem with this system (for us) is that the girl who greets you is almost never the one you want. In that case, just let the bartender know so that girl after girl doesn't approach you like this. If you prefer no girl, you can just tell the bartender you only want to have a drink but no girl. If you want a chance to have your drink while discreetly checking out the girls first before deciding, you can tell the bartender you want to wait first before choosing. In some bars they will then ask you if you want to see the girls line up for you to choose from, and they will turn up the lights so you can actually see the girls. (91 and Bin Bin typically do this) If they don't immediately offer this, you could request to see them this way.

Once you are sitting with a girl, after 2-3 lady drinks normally the girl will ask if you want to do more with her later, namely to go visit your hotel together. Some may also like to do as much as they can to get you feeling relaxed right there in the bar, which is allowed in some of these bars (but not all). If you only want to talk / grope / hug / kiss / etc. A bit at the bar, that's also fine. You must try to sense what the girl is willing to do, or else let her lead the way and show you.

These bars are perfect if you prefer to go out alone and hope to meet a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without any distractions or risks (such as: she is not that kind of girl-all these girls are that kind; the place is too crowded; the place is so loud you can't have conversation; etc.) Also, these bars are all in comfortable walking distance of each other. If you don't like what a bar has to offer, you can try the next one that is only a few steps away. If you prefer to visit one of these bars with friends, they can put your group in a private room with a low table where everyone sits on cushions. These rooms can also be used even if you are solo. You can have fun with your girl right there in the bar, or else more fun at your hotel. There are different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. Some actually allow you to do anything, and I mean anything, right in the bar. But in most you can only go to a certain point, and only when you and your girl are hidden somewhere such as in a balcony level or back room.

About prices, the price for a beer is 30, 000 (maybe still 25, 000 in some) and 50, 000 for a 'lady drink. ' (one notable exception: Quan Nho charges 50, 000 for a beer but also 50, 000 for a lady drink). In any bar, your girl will keep asking for another drink whenever she finishes one, that's standard. Don't become upset. To take a girl out, you have to buy her 5 or 6 drinks first, but normally those just get added to your bill, even if she doesn't really drink them. It's really just a barfine. For example, if you had 2 beers and she had 2 lady drinks, and you decide to take her out, they would charge you for the drinks that the 2 of you really drank (60, 000 for your 2 beers plus 100, 000 for her 2 drinks: which equals 160, 000 total) PLUS an additional (and imaginary) 4 lady drinks (200, 000) , so your total bar bill would be 360, 000. In other words, the barfine is 300, 000. And now the 2 of you are free to enjoy your evening together. The number of total drinks you must buy also depends a little on your negotiation skills, and some bars will ask for more lady drinks. As for the girl's payment, they tend to ask for 1 million for 2 hrs or so these days, but can occassionally be bargained down to as low as 800, 000.

If the bar tries to charge you a higher price for each beer or drink, tell them you were just here last week and paid only 30, 000 for each beer and 50, 000 for each lady drink-usually the bartender will play it safe and retreat to the normal price. If the bartender ever puts things like nuts or chewing gum in front of you and your girl, just have the bartender take them away. It's only a tactic to pad the bill at the end-they charge far more than those things really cost. Finally, if you want to leave the bar and not take your girl, then you should at least give her a tip. Standard tip these days is about 100, 000. If the girl's attitude was not very good, then a bit less is ok. They tend to feel insulted if it's 50, 000 or lower. If her attitude was good, pay higher accordingly. To make a good impression on a girl I want to see again, I would leave her a tip of 150, 000, or even 200, 000 for one who's very special. If you leave no tip, there's a good chance all the girls there would discuss it and brand you a "cheap charlie" after that.

If you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality in the bars fluctuates. Also, if you get there late at night or after a big group of customers has arrived together, the choices left over may be few. 7pm seems to be a peak time when you can expect almost all the girls who work there to be present and available.

Have fun. [/QUOTE]This is great information. My question is times. Are any of these bars good for afternoon pickups? Also, I will be in HCMC for just 48 hours between the afternoons of 27th and 29th of June. This is a Monday and a Tuesday. Will this be a problem?

[QUOTE=Sean Casey;1162502]This is great information. My question is times. Are any of these bars good for afternoon pickups? Also, I will be in HCMC for just 48 hours between the afternoons of 27th and 29th of June. This is a Monday and a Tuesday. Will this be a problem?[/QUOTE]I can't believe you quoted the whole report. Next time save us all a lot of time and just quote the opening sentence, put a few....full stops, then the last sentence. We all understand what you are referring to.

[QUOTE=Sean Casey;1162502]This is great information. My question is times. Are any of these bars good for afternoon pickups? Also, I will be in HCMC for just 48 hours between the afternoons of 27th and 29th of June. This is a Monday and a Tuesday. Will this be a problem?[/QUOTE]Ditto on what Mik said. With a huge post like that, best not to quote the whole thing. Some get annoyed at the pointless scrolling they have to do as a result. No biggie though.

Funny you should ask: there's ONE bar that I know that's open in afternoons with staff inside. Thien Loc. There might be others (does anyone here know?) but that one definitely does. The negative is that their place has slim pickings. Like I would only go there in the afternoon if I had already visited in the evening and found one especially worth visiting there. So for a return visit when you are sure there's something worth visiting. I wouldn't just pop in for the first time in the afternoon because most likely there's nothing there worth spending time on.

This might be the only one that has anything at all in afternoons. If any others do, it's news to me. Maybe there are, but I doubt it.

As for Monday / Tuesday. Not sure what problem you expect. You seem to have the evenings of the 27th and 28th to go check things out. Actually those are good nights to go since fewer other guys are out then (weekends busier of course) and so the competition for the best ones is lower.

Wendella,

Thanks for taking the time to write such an informative guide. I was familiar with some of the bia oms you have reviewed but hadn't done the 'in depth" research that you have clearly done.

I checked out 91 HBT, not having been there before. You are right. Stunning girls with even more stunning attitudes. The first girl who sat with me wanted to know immediately if I was going to take her out, and when I said drinks and talk first, she went off in a huff, calling me a cheap charlie. The second girl, very attractive, very tall, behaved like an Ice Maiden, even after two lady drinks. There is an acronym that the Vietnamese girls in my office use to describe to ex-pats, which applies in her case. NATO. No action, talk only. She even complained that 100, 000 VND was not enough tip!

If you are not Japanese and don't have money to burn, steer clear of 91 HBT.

I then went to Bin Bin on Le Thanh Ton. I hadn't been to any bars in this area for a long time (anyone remember Dep / Stephanies from years ago?) and was pleasantly surprised. Very relaxing.

Thanks again.

Thanks for all your info wendella, absolutely great report, can you suggest to as a gf hotel with the right price in the district 1, I am a vietnam newbie, I lived in BKK since 5 years and soon next month I will spend a week in Saigon, one more question were to find freelancers and how to approach them, what is the average price for a lt? Do you think is better don't carry any xheecks in the room and search for a st hotel? To move with a mototaxi driver how is the average price? Should I bargain eveeytime? Is Saigon dangerous? Is a good idea to rent a bike? Cheers and and have a good rime, is there any expat I can meet for a beer and a dinner?

[QUOTE=Wendella;1160342]This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.[/QUOTE]Great report by Wendella. Glad to see that you back on the tiles!

My experience varies from yours especially. Especial at Smiley and the sister bar Coco. Both of them ask for much higher prices for takeout than you quote but I have found that the gals are sometimes willing to make out of hours arrangements. Private pool sessions upstairs can be entertaining.

There is also another small billiards bar on Nguyen Sieu near the Danish pub. Similar bar to the others with limited stock due to small space.

[QUOTE=Zerosei;1163366]Thanks for all your info wendella, absolutely great report, can you suggest to as a gf hotel with the right price in the district 1, I am a vietnam newbie, I lived in BKK since 5 years and soon next month I will spend a week in Saigon, one more question were to find freelancers and how to approach them, what is the average price for a lt? Do you think is better don't carry any xheecks in the room and search for a st hotel? To move with a mototaxi driver how is the average price? Should I bargain eveeytime? Is Saigon dangerous? Is a good idea to rent a bike? Cheers and and have a good rime, is there any expat I can meet for a beer and a dinner?[/QUOTE]Hey just shoot me an email, I'll grab a beer, Saigon is as dangerous as you let it be. Don't make your self a target, don't wear expensive jewelery, buy a cheap phone you don't mind getting stolen, keep the majority of your cash separate from your wallet, it is safe to rent a bike, from the right people, cheaper bikes are the clutch bikes, but automatics are easier in traffic if your not used to driving here. If you find a good xe om driver stick with him. Make copies of your passport and visa, carry a set with you.

[QUOTE=Zerosei;1163366]where to find freelancers and how to approach them, what is the average price for a lt? Do you think is better don't carry any xheecks in the room and search for a st hotel? To move with a mototaxi driver how is the average price? Should I bargain eveeytime? Is Saigon dangerous? Is a good idea to rent a bike? Cheers and and have a good rime, is there any expat I can meet for a beer and a dinner?[/QUOTE]Well we're waiting for some of the other members to finish up work on the Freelancers' Guide. Coming soon. .

OK just kidding, but it would be nice wouldn't it?

JD? Raverboy? MikHCMC? Milkweed?

Ditto on the Guest Friendly Hotels Guide.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1163501]Well we're waiting for some of the other members to finish up work on the Freelancers' Guide. Coming soon. .

OK just kidding, but it would be nice wouldn't it?

JD? Raverboy? MikHCMC? Milkweed?

Ditto on the Guest Friendly Hotels Guide. [/QUOTE]No thanks. You can be the sole guide writer of distinction around here, Wendella. ;)

As for Zerosei, I suggest you either RTFF or stay in BKK.

OK. I'll be nice. Answers to your questions:

1. Everywhere. Walk up, open your mouth, ask how much.
2. USD 100.
3. What's xheecks? You mean chicks? Then yes.
4. Half the taxi meter rate, or VND 7000-8000 per km.
5. Yes.
6. If you need to ask this question, just stay home.
7. No.
8. No thanks.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz; 1163367]Great report by Wendella. Glad to see that you back on the tiles!

My experience varies from yours especially. Especial at Smiley and the sister bar Coco. Both of them ask for much higher prices for takeout than you quote but I have found that the gals are sometimes willing to make out of hours arrangements. Private pool sessions upstairs can be entertaining.

There is also another small billiards bar on Nguyen Sieu near the Danish pub. Similar bar to the others with limited stock due to small space. [/QUOTE]Yeah I base it on the offers I've had plus the lower offers I've heard others get. Because there's always stupidly high offers to tourists, you can't count those. But I haven't gotten any quotes in the 2 bars you mention there, Smiley maybe years back. The bar on Nguyen Sieu actually is there in the list: "Little Princess". I haven't really checked it out in person.

Thank You very much for who kindly reply to me. I live in Bangkok, I travelled all south east asia since 18 years but I never been in Vietnam; for example if someone ask to me if Cambodia is safe, I will never make fun of him, and I will say be carefull as every day there's a foreign with tears expecially in Phnom Penh, that's why I asked if is safe or not and that's why I made some questions. For raverboy thanks for you numbered answer, about point 8 I really don't care you deny my invitation to take a beer or to have a dinner together, here in thai we say mai pen rai and also in a nice way. Reading that seems you are the king of the city, I am happy you feel like that and I wish you to get soon also the governor of the city. By the way this is a forum where a newbie should ask about some topic, we are not here to talk about politician. Thanks to all and I wish you all a great day.

Zerosei

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1160342]This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.

[b]The Bars [/b]

There's a star rating (* * *) for each bar. Remember, your own taste may be different. In the best bars (three *'s and above) you can usually find some very attractive girls, often with a difficult choice of which girl you like best. In most bars (* * to * * ½) , there is still a chance of finding a hot girl, but less likely than in those rated * * * and above. In the bars at * ½ and under, you will be lucky if a very cute one is there, and these places usually have mostly less attractive or older girls (for example, it would be rare that 49 Dong Khoi has [i]any[/i] Girls who could get hired at 91 Hai Ba Trung). But if you visited every bar in one evening, you almost surely would find one pleasant surprise in one of the lesser rated bars.

Many of the names of these bars are just a number, which is their address, so for those only their address is listed.

[b] HAI BA TRUNG AREA[/b]

[b]35 Hai Ba Trung * *[/b] Small relaxing bar with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above avg. In quality. A balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better.

[b]49 Hai Ba Trung * * ½[/b] Fairly large bar, relaxed, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. Girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35.

[b]51 Hai Ba Trung * * *[/b] A bit smaller than 49, but just as relaxed. Better than average girl selection and quality (more so than 49, in my opinion). This one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. They also have 2 pool tables, one in back a step down and another up on balcony level.

[b]91 Hai Ba Trung * * * ½[/b] This bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger and taller. It is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, and the girls more full of themselves (they're pretty and know it) but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. This would get 4 stars if girls there were as friendly as in other bars. Not relaxing.

[b]2 Sisters * * [/b] 44 Dong Du. (formerly Saigon NY) Small bar near the corner of Dong Du and Hai Ba Trung, actually off HBT street. It has more of a social and fun vibe than most bars, but girls are slightly below average in general. They're nicer than ones in most of the bars though. Some girls here wear ao dais, which seems to be their code for "not available". There is a pool table upstairs, though I'm not sure how relaxed it is up there.

[b]Trai Tao (Apple) * [/b] 13 Dong Du. Across the street from Saigon NY on Dong Du just near corner of HBT. Small bar with and mainly average girls, from what I could see. Honestly I haven't checked this one out very well. Almost surely relaxing.

[b]Thien Loc * * [/b] 23 Hai Ba Trung. At the corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi. One billiard table, the whole bar is just one room one level. This one recently reopened, but was always one of the most active bars in terms of entertainment. Might have 1 or 2 cuties with around 6 more ordinary ones.

[b]29 Mac Thi Buoi ½[/b] Very small new bar down the end of an alley on Mac Thi Buoi (not to be confused with the much better 29 Dong Khoi). The alley is very near the restaurant called Juice. It has one quite cute girl who is the boss's girlfriend and isn't allowed to sit with customers, plus a small group of other girls who are not attractive. Probably relaxing.

[b] DONG KHOI STREET[/b]

[b]29 Dong Khoi * * ½[/b] On the last block before the Majestic Hotel (near the river). It has 2 levels and about a dozen girls, but in terms of looks they're below average overall, except for the occassional few new ones. It is the one bar of all of these that offers by far the best customer service. Anything goes here. If you are lucky enough to spot a stunning girl here, this place can be heaven. There are couches upstairs and also a very small private room in the back. Relaxing and then some.

[b]49 Dong Khoi 0 stars[/b] A sad little bar way in the back down a long narrow hallway and upstairs. The girls are really not very pretty in this one. Seems to be designed to lure in unsuspecting tourists who don't know what other options are nearby. I prefer not to think about how relaxed the atmosphere is here, but it almost surely is. If you noticed the lack of stars above, that was intentional.

[b] THAI VAN LUNG / THI SACH AREA[/b]

[b]Smiley Bar * * [/b] 8A / 7D2 Thai Van Lung. Right at the intersection of Cao Ba Quat. Big bar, quite a few girls but choices are bit below average in quality. Upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. Things get much more entertaining and relaxing upstairs.

[b]Chieu Thuy * [/b] 40 Thai Van Lung. On Thai Van Lung near the corner of Ly Tu Truong, at the top of the "hill." Selection and quality of girls here is distinctly below average. Pool table in front and sofas in back.

[b]Vua Trai Dua (Coconut) *½ [/b] 15B Thi Sach. On the next parallel street over (Thi Sach) as you head back toward Hai Ba Trung. This is the the same street Apocalypse Now is located on, but at the opposite end near Le Thanh Ton. Girls here seem very average, and it's a smaller bar.

[b]Momo bar [/b] 15C Thi Sach. New small bar next to Vua Trai Dua that I have not been to yet.

[b]Little Princess [/b] 5E Nguyen Sieu. New, small bar on the side street opposite 91 Hai Ba Trung. I have not tried this one out yet.

[b] LE THANH TON AREA[/b]

[b]Quan Nho * * * [/b] 13 Le Thanh Ton. A very small bar with just around 6 girls. Sofas upstairs (3 levels total) to spend time with your girl. Atnosphere more upscale than the rest of these bars. No billiards tables. They tend to get a higher level of talent in their small lineup. Quite relaxing atmosphere upstairs.

[b]Bin Bin * * * [/b] 13 Le Thanh Ton. Just across the alley from Quan Nho. This bar has the second most girls and second prettiest overall after 91. Quality of the girls here is quite good overall, sometimes excellent, and attitude and willingness usually quite good too. It has an upstairs for further entertainment. Relaxation status uncertain.

[b]How It Works[/b]

After you take a seat, normally one girl will soon approach you. Each girl is in queue to be the one who first approaches a new customer. The problem with this system (for us) is that the girl who greets you is almost never the one you want. In that case, just let the bartender know so that girl after girl doesn't approach you like this. If you prefer no girl, you can just tell the bartender you only want to have a drink but no girl. If you want a chance to have your drink while discreetly checking out the girls first before deciding, you can tell the bartender you want to wait first before choosing. In some bars they will then ask you if you want to see the girls line up for you to choose from, and they will turn up the lights so you can actually see the girls. (91 and Bin Bin typically do this) If they don't immediately offer this, you could request to see them this way.

Once you are sitting with a girl, after 2-3 lady drinks normally the girl will ask if you want to do more with her later, namely to go visit your hotel together. Some may also like to do as much as they can to get you feeling relaxed right there in the bar, which is allowed in some of these bars (but not all). If you only want to talk / grope / hug / kiss / etc. A bit at the bar, that's also fine. You must try to sense what the girl is willing to do, or else let her lead the way and show you.

These bars are perfect if you prefer to go out alone and hope to meet a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without any distractions or risks (such as: she is not that kind of girl-all these girls are that kind; the place is too crowded; the place is so loud you can't have conversation; etc.) Also, these bars are all in comfortable walking distance of each other. If you don't like what a bar has to offer, you can try the next one that is only a few steps away. If you prefer to visit one of these bars with friends, they can put your group in a private room with a low table where everyone sits on cushions. These rooms can also be used even if you are solo. You can have fun with your girl right there in the bar, or else more fun at your hotel. There are different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. Some actually allow you to do anything, and I mean anything, right in the bar. But in most you can only go to a certain point, and only when you and your girl are hidden somewhere such as in a balcony level or back room.

About prices, the price for a beer is 30, 000 (maybe still 25, 000 in some) and 50, 000 for a 'lady drink. ' (one notable exception: Quan Nho charges 50, 000 for a beer but also 50, 000 for a lady drink). In any bar, your girl will keep asking for another drink whenever she finishes one, that's standard. Don't become upset. To take a girl out, you have to buy her 5 or 6 drinks first, but normally those just get added to your bill, even if she doesn't really drink them. It's really just a barfine. For example, if you had 2 beers and she had 2 lady drinks, and you decide to take her out, they would charge you for the drinks that the 2 of you really drank (60, 000 for your 2 beers plus 100, 000 for her 2 drinks: which equals 160, 000 total) PLUS an additional (and imaginary) 4 lady drinks (200, 000) , so your total bar bill would be 360, 000. In other words, the barfine is 300, 000. And now the 2 of you are free to enjoy your evening together. The number of total drinks you must buy also depends a little on your negotiation skills, and some bars will ask for more lady drinks. As for the girl's payment, they tend to ask for 1 million for 2 hrs or so these days, but can occassionally be bargained down to as low as 800, 000.

If the bar tries to charge you a higher price for each beer or drink, tell them you were just here last week and paid only 30, 000 for each beer and 50, 000 for each lady drink-usually the bartender will play it safe and retreat to the normal price. If the bartender ever puts things like nuts or chewing gum in front of you and your girl, just have the bartender take them away. It's only a tactic to pad the bill at the end-they charge far more than those things really cost. Finally, if you want to leave the bar and not take your girl, then you should at least give her a tip. Standard tip these days is about 100, 000. If the girl's attitude was not very good, then a bit less is ok. They tend to feel insulted if it's 50, 000 or lower. If her attitude was good, pay higher accordingly. To make a good impression on a girl I want to see again, I would leave her a tip of 150, 000, or even 200, 000 for one who's very special. If you leave no tip, there's a good chance all the girls there would discuss it and brand you a "cheap charlie" after that.

If you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality in the bars fluctuates. Also, if you get there late at night or after a big group of customers has arrived together, the choices left over may be few. 7pm seems to be a peak time when you can expect almost all the girls who work there to be present and available.

Have fun[/QUOTE]OK, I went to Quan Nho, first impressions, blacked out, and partialy frosted front door is a good sign, went in the bar area downstairs is about the size of a bathroom. The mamasan called the girl down, down came a stunner with her dress pulled above the bearded mussel, good, sit down bought her a lady drink I got ba, ba, ba bia asked how much 100k, bad sign. Girl grabs the package, shove my hand down her snatch, good, the whispers we go upstairs for a hummer 1 mil, sign to get the fuck out, I negotiate, she won't budge says house gets 400k, I called bullshit, got the bill, girl said you give me 500k I keep change for drink, yeah right! I paid mamasan the 100k gave her fifty for the blue balls, left, never will go back. P. S. The parking wondered why I left so soon I told him girl too much, he said better to go to Benny's.

Hi guys,

So I've been living in HCMC since September 09 and only went for my first mongering activity last week on reading Wendella's great post on Billiard bars.

I decided to check out Bin Bin. As I walked past the bar and looked in its direction the bar's doors immediately opened up revealing 3-4 girls in short red dresses. I asked the guy sitting outside how much for a beer, to which he responded "2 dollars". I countered with "no. 30, 000 dong" and he said ok. I clarified with him that lady drinks were 50, 000 each.

I proceeded inside and headed upstairs to the room with the pool table and picked up a cute 19 yo called Thuy from the line up of girls. As soon as I chose her she immediately wrapper her arms around me and lightly started pecking me on the cheek.

We started playing a game of pool when she made the offer. If I win then she will strip, and if she wins then I will give her 50, 000. I joked with her and said if she wins then I'll strip for her. To my surprise she laughed and said "ok". So I won the game and she stripped for me and got me into a long DFK session. By long I mean about 5 minutes as I was constantly looking over my shoulders because attached to the room we were in was a kitchen and locker room where the girls constantly come in and out. Her body was about a 6. Her tits were A but they looked like they used to be a B or C. Imagine you inflate a balloon and then left it there for 2 weeks. Yeh wrinkly and deflated. Anyway she had a 9/10 attitude.

Anyway so she made an offer to back to my hotel. She quoted me 1. 2m which I eventually managed to get down to 1m. The mama said to take her I would have to pay 400k which I refused and countered with the 200k I had been advised on this forum. After an exchange of a few words we settled on 200k.

On the way out, the mama said that they had a car and driver to take me back to my hotel free of charge. I wasn't too sure about this but my girl (who was very cute and spoke pre-intermediate level English) assured me that it was safe. We got into the car and the driver asked me where my hotel was. I didn't feel like taking the girl back to mine so I said I wanted to go to mini hotel. He said ok and off we went.

When we got to the hotel we were greeted by a guy who said 400k for the room. I negotiated. Didn't work.

Went up to the room and had the text book shower and strip down.

She gave me a BBBJ for a good 5 minutes then on came the rubber jimmy.

To my surprise for such a small girl her minge was loose. Very loose. So much so that after an hour of me pumping away I was unable to come. I asked and she refused a BJ at this point. Eventually I had to have her give me a HJ to finish. She did mention to me that she was popular and had a lot of customers, maybe that's why her minge was so loose. (and before any funny comments about the size of my schlong. I definitely don't have a schlort. I'm average. So she's definitely looose)

Anyway kissed her goodbye. She asked what I was doing the next day and if I wanted to meet her. I said I was busy with work and will call her when I'm free.

Overall she's a nice girl with a nice attitude and very cute. Too bad her fanny is huge.

Name: Thuy.

Age: 19.

Looks: 8.

Body: 6.

Attitude: 9.

WIR: 50/50

Hey guys,

So I hope you liked my last report, also my first.

I would like to ask if there are any other ways to get a FS in town?

I mean a billiard bar is a nice place to pick up a girl but the bar charge can be off putting and I'd like to experience something new. Perhaps something a little cheaper too. Perhaps the 600-800 mark.

I'm not so keen on going with freelancers and would like to go somewhere to choose a girl I like.

I searched and haven't been able to find anything recent and conclusive on FSMP.

Please note this is a request for FS. I haven't tried out the hot toc places on DBP and NPK yet. But I have been to a massage at Vien Dong.

I apologise if what I'm looking for has already been addressed. I just haven't been able to find it. If it has already been addressed I'd appreciate it if you could link it to me or point me in the right direction.

[QUOTE=Akatsukii; 1164377]Hey guys,

So I hope you liked my last report, also my first.

I would like to ask if there are any other ways to get a FS in town?

I mean a billiard bar is a nice place to pick up a girl but the bar charge can be off putting and I'd like to experience something new. Perhaps something a little cheaper too. Perhaps the 600-800 mark.

I'm not so keen on going with freelancers and would like to go somewhere to choose a girl I like.

I searched and haven't been able to find anything recent and conclusive on FSMP.

Please note this is a request for FS. I haven't tried out the hot toc places on DBP and NPK yet. But I have been to a massage at Vien Dong.

I apologise if what I'm looking for has already been addressed. I just haven't been able to find it. If it has already been addressed I'd appreciate it if you could link it to me or point me in the right direction.[/QUOTE]Look for my post on FS near the airport cost 620k all inclusive

Hello, all,

Went to Thien Loc at 23 hai Bung Trung yesterday at 5pm, place was full of girls, no one else in sight, more to pick from. I picked out to girls decent looking with no visible Saigon belly. Did the usual ordered 333 beer@40k per beer (remind me to bargain next time) Shot some pool, I'm not a bad shooter but these girls are sharks, I think they lost on purpose, got some titty flash, then got asked to go upstairs for FS, I mentioned why not take both up and have a threesome, they were cool with got both girls for 2 million, little pricey, but who gets a chance at a threesome. One girl was into doing greek, which is rare here so I took advantage of it while the iron was hot. Great time had by all, I'll go back, but for me after 8pm it gets pricier, supply vs demand.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1160342]This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.

[b]The Bars [/b]

Have fun. [/QUOTE]This is defintely the very informative specially for newbie in vietnam.

I will be in HCM next week for a 3 days 2 night and shall stay either in Continental or Majestic. Is these bars located near those hotels? Although not my first time to vietnam but still newbie in this field at that country. So need more info from you guys. I have RTFF but still not much able to organized the full info. I also wonder the massage parlours that JD mentoned are also located near to my hotels? I understand that those hotels I may be staying at will not be a GF hotel and since I am coming with a colleaque of which I don't. Want to expose my after work activities, so if I went to those bars, can I do my deeds over there? Based on the info, I need to barfine or sort of that in temrs of 6 lady's drinks at around vn300, 000. So should I also need to look for a ST room or perhaps there is an in house ST room. Lastly, how much should I pay to the girls for the FS? In Bangkok, as it is more tourist oriented, so tendency of rip off in bars are much lesser than what I may expects in HCM, vietnam. Right? Or perhaps there is a more decend bars (I don't. Know if I use the proper term. In vietnam if there is any).

Cheers,

MD

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1169051]This is defintely the very informative specially for newbie in vietnam.

I will be in HCM next week for a 3 days 2 night and shall stay either in Continental or Majestic. Is these bars located near those hotels? Although not my first time to vietnam but still newbie in this field at that country. So need more info from you guys. I have RTFF but still not much able to organized the full info. I also wonder the massage parlours that JD mentoned are also located near to my hotels?

Cheers,

MD[/QUOTE]If it's continental hotel in district one, you will find that a lot of those bars are within walking distance such as smiley's (yellow and green) , bin bin. 91 bar, etc. Just use google maps and you'll see it's easy to figure out once you start walking around and know the exact addresses.

This area is much more pricier than other areas in terms of sex services and pretty much anything else for that matter, so I believe that the massage places JD mentions are nowhere near there, or at least I haven't come across any info regarding this area from reading his posts. However, there are definitely some massage establishments that will cater to your needs if you just walk around and look for the signs. But I have no idea what the prices are for those or exactly how far you can go. You might notice some touts outside sitting around talking, and waiting for a possible client to walk by.

Hopefully someone else can help you with whatever other info you need.

I am myself going to HCMC soon and want to know how the ANAL arena is among Viets?

[QUOTE=Incel;1169206]I am myself going to HCMC soon and want to know how the ANAL arena is among Viets?[/QUOTE]It is good that you yourself are going to HCMC soon. To answer your question, YES, the ANAL arena is among Viets.

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1169577]It is good that you yourself are going to HCMC soon. To answer your question, YES, the ANAL arena is among Viets.

JD[/QUOTE]Is there any special areas or bars, or is it only to ask "anyone"?

BTW. What is the best place for newcomers?

[QUOTE=Incel;1170194]Is there any special areas or bars, or is it only to ask "anyone"?[/QUOTE]Yes, just ask "anyone". The market or any busy street will do. It may take some time but eventually you'll find someone.

Sorry I know this post isn't relevant to Saigon but the "other areas" postings seems to get few visitors so thought I'd try my lucj here. I have RTFF but not finding much joy for info on Hue. Can anyone offer any insight into massage or BJ places that may exisit?

Thanks,

Krum.

[QUOTE=Expatriot;1163422]Hey just shoot me an email, I'll grab a beer, Saigon is as dangerous as you let it be. Don't make your self a target, don't wear expensive jewelery, buy a cheap phone you don't mind getting stolen, keep the majority of your cash separate from your wallet, it is safe to rent a bike, from the right people, cheaper bikes are the clutch bikes, but automatics are easier in traffic if your not used to driving here. If you find a good xe om driver stick with him. Make copies of your passport and visa, carry a set with you.[/QUOTE]I am trying to send to you an email but seems I cannot, don't know why. Would be great have a beer together!

Cheers

[QUOTE=Incel; 1170194]Is there any special areas or bars, or is it only to ask "anyone"?

BTW. What is the best place for newcomers? [/QUOTE]English is hardly undestood. I suggest to have your desire written on a cardboard in Vietnamese, hang it around your neck near the market and see who will approach you.

[QUOTE=Krum Lov; 1170747]Sorry I know this post isn't relevant to Saigon but the "other areas" postings seems to get few visitors so thought I'd try my lucj here. I have RTFF but not finding much joy for info on Hue. Can anyone offer any insight into massage or BJ places that may exisit?

Thanks,

Krum[/QUOTE]Nah, not much in Hue. Even the massage places don't like giving even HJ, much less any more. Hue is the desert of mongering. Sorry, mate, that's just how it is.

H is out

That's too bad, thanks anyway hardlock.

[QUOTE=Hardlock1; 1171183]Nah, not much in Hue. Even the massage places don't like giving even HJ, much less any more. Hue is the desert of mongering. Sorry, mate, that's just how it is.

H is out[/QUOTE]

I am in Saigon now and finding it relaxing but hard to find the good spots. Is any one around? I would love to meet. The city is easy to walk around in and people have been friendly. I had a massage yesterday and the girl gave me her number-but too much work, too little English. Very very pretty and giggly.

Having trouble. Was looking for a girl from 6 pm to 3 am. Found 3 girls on scooters and chatted with them and took them to dinner but one refused to come home with me. Went to street where I read many massage places but could not find any-many they are all closed? Hotel brought 2 girls but heavy make up and gross looking. This country has a tremendous potential but I will not be here long enough to learn the ropes.

These 3 girls-22ish-were hanging out in a park with their motor bikes looking for boys. I spoke to them and we chatted for maybe an hout, taking photos as well. The girls looked nice, not slutty at all. I offered to take them to dinner and then they said good night. Were they cruising for younger hotter boys? Were they pros and I just did not ask right? Were they good girls just looking to talk to a westerner?

[QUOTE=Cuba Tourist;1177856]These 3 girls-22ish-were hanging out in a park with their motor bikes looking for boys. I spoke to them and we chatted for maybe an hout, taking photos as well. The girls looked nice, not slutty at all. I offered to take them to dinner and then they said good night. Were they cruising for younger hotter boys? Were they pros and I just did not ask right? Were they good girls just looking to talk to a westerner?[/QUOTE]Based of my experiences here, I'd say they were just regular gals looking to chat and mingle with foreigners. Not working girls. I often get approached by uni students in the park who are mainly looking to practice their english. Sometimes they'll end up inviting me places to meet their friends and hang out (which is always a fun time) , and sometimes not.

If they were pros. I think they would've taken you up on your offer.

I just spent one week holiday in Vietnam. Mon-Thu in Nha Trang and then 4 days in Saigon. Here are my thoughts about some Saigon bars mentioned so many times on this forum:

My hotel was in Hai Ba Trung street between 91 and 51 bars. Small cosy 2 star hotel called Hai Long 5. Not top notch but price / quality ratio was good. And no problem bringing in the girls, just an I'd card to the reception and up to the room. Just as easy like in Thailand.

I went several times to the billiard bars nearby my hotel. In my opinion 91 and 51 had best girls. Bin Bin was horrible the night I visited and Smiley's bars were so-so. Other biiliard bars around the corner were more quiet than 51 or 91. Some had a few nice girls but overall I did not like them. Snow bar had sexy manager. 34 year old with big natural boobs. Played some pool with her but she was not on the menu.

Apocalypse now was a terrible combination of a disco and bar, lousy place. A few hookers around.

Bar 51 on HBT worked best for me, more laid back than 91 and even better looking girls on those days I visited. 91 was goos as well but the girls were more flegmatic and not willing to please the customer.

I barfined 2 ladies from this bar, names have I forgotten:

1. First one was a ST session. 22 year old sweetie, a bit japanese looking girl. Cute slim girl with natural B cup boobs. Nice sex but nothing special to mention.

2. Second girl was cute 21 year old vietnamese. I noticed her having a rather bit rack but was not sure what lied underneath the bra. As so often the push up bra is making miracles. Well I decided to take her LT and this turned out to be a fantastic move. We went to my hotel next door and after undressing the bra I caressed the biggest and nicest natural boobs I have ever seen on an asian girl. They were C / D cups, firm and round, small nipples. Absolutely fantastic! These kind of boobs were something I was hoping to see in Vietnam and this time I got lucky and really had those in my hands! We took a bath together and then had nice sex ending me COB, what else could have been done! In the morning we had another round of sex and then she left around 11. 30.

Regarding Hot Tocs I had 2 experiences. One hand job in My Tien next door to Benny's. Funny experience but not really my cup of tea. In a dark dark room with a half naked girl giving HJ or BJ when you caressing her boobs and maybe pussy. Wow, what a thrill! Well some guys still get kicks from this stuff. Cheap, hell yeah!

Close to the airport is a beer garden that is located next to a tennis courts. 85 thang long. I found the place with an assistance of a motorbike taxi. On next street lies a couple of "massage" parlours / hot tocs and I had really nice fuck in one of those. Unfortunately I don't have any names of the places but I believe this area is the korean queater and motorbike taxis surely know to find this place. If you have a long connection flight time like me this is a good way of spending the time! I had good fuck with a 21 year old Vietnamese, tight body and pussy. After sex I enjoyed a few cold beers in the beergarden and then made my way to the airport.

I found Saigon to be really easy city to get laid. I don't understand how some people on this forum find mongering to be so damn difficult in Saigon, it really is not.

-Kep

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1171107]English is hardly undestood. I suggest to have your desire written on a cardboard in Vietnamese, hang it around your neck near the market and see who will approach you.[/QUOTE]It didn't work.

[QUOTE=Keppana;1180391]I found Saigon to be really easy city to get laid. I don't understand how some people on this forum find mongering to be so damn difficult in Saigon, it really is not.[/QUOTE]That's because the forum automatically filters out body odor.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1182506]That's because the forum automatically filters out body odor.[/QUOTE]Funny! Mark one for Wendella.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1182506]That's because the forum automatically filters out body odor.[/QUOTE]Sorry Wendella but I did not get your point?

But what the hell, I was just a tourist enjoying the Vietnam for one week. No need to return for a while.

-Kep

[QUOTE=Keppana;1180391]I found Saigon to be really easy city to get laid. I don't understand how some people on this forum find mongering to be so damn difficult in Saigon, it really is not.[/QUOTE]Keppana thanks for the really optimistic report! A couple of words about ST, LT, HJ / BJ prices please! Just need a guidance.

[QUOTE=Vitold;1184395]Keppana thanks for the really optimistic report! A couple of words about ST, LT, HJ / BJ prices please! Just need a guidance.[/QUOTE]Vitold,

HJ / BJ at My Tien Hot Toc was 200000 VND to the mamasan + tips for the girl (100000 VND+)

ST in one of the Hot Toc's near airport was 600000 VND + tips.

ST from Hai Ba Trung Billiard bars was around 300000 VND barfine (if I remember right) + 1200000 VND to the girl (+ tips if you like the service) + some drinks usually for the girl.

LT from HBT Billiard bars was 300000 VND barfine + 2000000 VND for the girl.

Have fun!

-Kep

You are too funny, W!

Actually it did take me a two or three trips to figure out the scene there. Well, Apocalypse is easy to get laid but too expensive.

The other bars are easy but they've all gotten more expensive as have the the MPs. The best value is still the hot tocs. And try to find a girlfriend. They are out there but not too many speak English. Still, I will continue to monger in HCM because I get to work there 1-2 weeks a year. Mot hai ba zo!

[QUOTE=Wendella;1182506]That's because the forum automatically filters out body odor.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Keppana; 1185297]Vitold,

HJ / BJ at My Tien Hot Toc was 200000 VND to the mamasan + tips for the girl (100000 VND+)

ST in one of the Hot Toc's near airport was 600000 VND + tips.

ST from Hai Ba Trung Billiard bars was around 300000 VND barfine (if I remember right) + 1200000 VND to the girl (+ tips if you like the service) + some drinks usually for the girl.

LT from HBT Billiard bars was 300000 VND barfine + 2000000 VND for the girl.

Have fun!

-Kep[/QUOTE]My Tien or Ben Ny should be 200, 000 total. Maybe 220, 000 if you had a drink there. I haven't been in a few months, but when I went 200, 000 total was standard. You pay the 100, 000 ticket and the 100, 000 tip to the mamason at those places. Has the price increased that much in a few months? I don't think so.

I go to hot tocs near the airport. I pay 100, 000 for the ticket and I tip 500, 000 or 600, 000 depending on how happy I am. I'm not sure what you mean when you say 600, 000 + tips.

[QUOTE=Keppana; 1185297]Vitold,

HJ / BJ at My Tien Hot Toc was 200000 VND to the mamasan + tips for the girl (100000 VND+)

ST in one of the Hot Toc's near airport was 600000 VND + tips.

ST from Hai Ba Trung Billiard bars was around 300000 VND barfine (if I remember right) + 1200000 VND to the girl (+ tips if you like the service) + some drinks usually for the girl.

LT from HBT Billiard bars was 300000 VND barfine + 2000000 VND for the girl.

Have fun!

-Kep[/QUOTE]

Barfine at HBT bars should be VND 500.000 (about USD 25)

ST in one of the Hot Toc's near airport should be VND 500.000 to the girl + VND 100.000 to the house = VND 600.000 all inclusive, no need to tip.

Unless of course, you receive earth shattering incredible beyond-your-wildest-dreams kind of service (3 holer, surprise 3-some) , then... maybe.

[QUOTE=Milkweed; 1185429]My Tien or Ben Ny should be 200, 000 total. Maybe 220, 000 if you had a drink there. I haven't been in a few months, but when I went 200, 000 total was standard. You pay the 100, 000 ticket and the 100, 000 tip to the mamason at those places. Has the price increased that much in a few months? I don't think so.

I go to hot tocs near the airport. I pay 100, 000 for the ticket and I tip 500, 000 or 600, 000 depending on how happy I am. I'm not sure what you mean when you say 600, 000 + tips.[/QUOTE]Milkweed,

You are probably right. I don't rememeber exactly how much was the costs in each places. These figures in my post were just estimations based on my memory. And I was in Thailand 1 week after Vietnam which made remembering the prices even more difficult after getting used to the thai currency. Since I was in Vietnam for 1 week vacation I really did not care if the price was 200000 VND or 300000 VND for a hot toc visit-a difference that equals 3, 5 Euros! For that money I don't get a beer in a bar back home. And as I was happy to the service in all cases I gave a little bit of extra to the girls, as a gentleman does.

-Kep

[QUOTE=Raverboy; 1185435]Barfine at HBT bars should be VND 500. 000 (about USD 25)

ST in one of the Hot Toc's near airport should be VND 500. 000 to the girl + VND 100. 000 to the house = VND 600. 000 all inclusive, no need to tip.

Unless of course, you receive earth shattering incredible beyond-your-wildest-dreams kind of service (3 holer, surprise 3-some) , then. Maybe.[/QUOTE]Raverboy,

I remembered wrong the barfine at HBT bars, it was 500000 or 600000 VND. Thanks for correction!

My girl at Hot Toc near the airport was really nice, thus I gave her a bit extra. And she seemed to be really happy so made me feel good as well!

As stated before, I was on a holiday and didn't care too much about the prices / tips. Maybe I paid a bit too much but so what, I had a good time and girls were happy.

-Kep

[QUOTE=Raverboy; 1185435]Barfine at HBT bars should be VND 500. 000 (about USD 25)

ST in one of the Hot Toc's near airport should be VND 500. 000 to the girl + VND 100. 000 to the house = VND 600. 000 all inclusive, no need to tip.

Unless of course, you receive earth shattering incredible beyond-your-wildest-dreams kind of service (3 holer, surprise 3-some) , then. Maybe.[/QUOTE]Hi Raverboy,

Please can you indicate me in which street is ST near the Airport? Is it Ba Vi or any other street?

Thanks

I'm new to this forum and to everything when it comes to sex tourism. I'm planing on going to Vietnam in November / December and was hoping to get some tips and information about the destination. I'm totally into hairy pussy! I'm not talking about the ones with a bit of hair downstairs neither the ones that trim or shave their bikini line! I'm talking about 70's Bush, totally untouched and has never seen the daylight of a razor ever. The bigger Bush, the better. Love hairy pits as well! A dream come true if I would find a really black bushy "carpet-like" pussy! Does anybody know if it's possible for me to find any girls in Vietnam that fits my description? Does Vietnamese girls in general not shave or trim / is it more common to find totally unshaved pussy rather than trimmed or shaved ones? Is it common and even possible to find the ones that have hairy pits as well? If you have any good advice on what city (locations, areas, bars, brothels, etc) to visit or any other information where I would have a bigger chance finding girls like that please reply to this post! I would appreciate all information on the matter.

Maybe you guys have some stories about hairy girls experiences you are willing to share? I also wonder if you have any tips about any other country where I can find loads of girls with huge bushes? Thinking about going to Africa in the future. Good choice? Any information about countries, locations and description on how hairy the women are in that country or at that location?

Please help me in my quest finding those massive bushes and hairy pits so I can fulfill my longtime fantasy.

The Swede

I recently drove past a street named Ngo Van Nam, next to Le Than Ton. It looked really interesting, full of upscale looking etablissements with beautiful girls sitting inside. I couldn't stop because I was on my way to a business meeting and will only be back to HCM in a couple of weeks, but does anybody have any experience in said area?

[QUOTE=Beatnix;1191900]I recently drove past a street named Ngo Van Nam, next to Le Than Ton. It looked really interesting, full of upscale looking etablissements with beautiful girls sitting inside. I couldn't stop because I was on my way to a business meeting and will only be back to HCM in a couple of weeks, but does anybody have any experience in said area?[/QUOTE]If it's the place I'm thinking of.

Don't waste your time.

They've got lots of pretty girl hostess lounges there but it mainly caters to those looking to share a drink and conversation with a young, pretty girl. They won't go home with you. Nor will most of them engage in any sortof shenaningans. Just a place to share a drink and convo. That's all. Lots of pretty girls though. Mostly Japanese men go there to hang out.

[QUOTE=Bert Omea; 1192557]If it's the place I'm thinking of.

Don't waste your time.

They've got lots of pretty girl hostess lounges there but it mainly caters to those looking to share a drink and conversation with a young, pretty girl. They won't go home with you. Nor will most of them engage in any sortof shenaningans. Just a place to share a drink and convo. That's all. Lots of pretty girls though. Mostly Japanese men go there to hang out.[/QUOTE]Yeah those places will be $40 or more for just the room, then you're expected to purchase a bottle of something. And I think the girl's tip is expected to be 300, 000 or something in that vicinity. They're definitely targeting Japanese customers but welcome anyone who's willing to pay. Things are tame on the premises and you would probably need to make a few visits to hopefully persuade a girl to do something. But often that would be taking her out for dinner, go to club, etc, before getting anywhere. If money and time are no object, there are plenty of cute girls in there, and there must be a dozen of these places just in that one street, and plenty more in the vicinity (Le Thanh Ton and the alleys off of it, Thi Sach, Thai Van Lung, etc.). They're too expensive and time consuming for me though. I think a good portion of their business is from Japanese at multinationals taking would be partners or clients out for entertainment. On expense accounts in other words. Otherwise I don't see how they could possibly charge so much and manage to actually get anyone to pay it. And I'm surprised there's enough Japanese guys in HCMC to support all those places. There must be 2 of those for every 1 of the billiard bars (which ALSO get Japanese!)

[QUOTE=Wendella;1192996]And I'm surprised there's enough Japanese guys in HCMC to support all those places.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I would be thinking, but there are, I have seen them. They come in those small mini-bus type vehicles, several of them together.

There are a couple just a few feet from Bin Bin, one is called Models I believe. The girls are not like those at the billiards places. These girls are "nice". I am speaking from what I saw from the outside, never went inside one of these places.

[QUOTE=CaseyDevante; 1190611]I'm new to this forum and to everything when it comes to sex tourism. I'm planing on going to Vietnam in November / December and was hoping to get some tips and information about the destination. I'm totally into hairy pussy! I'm not talking about the ones with a bit of hair downstairs neither the ones that trim or shave their bikini line! I'm talking about 70's Bush, totally untouched and has never seen the daylight of a razor ever. The bigger Bush, the better. Love hairy pits as well! A dream come true if I would find a really black bushy "carpet-like" pussy! Does anybody know if it's possible for me to find any girls in Vietnam that fits my description? Does Vietnamese girls in general not shave or trim / is it more common to find totally unshaved pussy rather than trimmed or shaved ones? Is it common and even possible to find the ones that have hairy pits as well? If you have any good advice on what city (locations, areas, bars, brothels, etc) to visit or any other information where I would have a bigger chance finding girls like that please reply to this post! I would appreciate all information on the matter.

Maybe you guys have some stories about hairy girls experiences you are willing to share? I also wonder if you have any tips about any other country where I can find loads of girls with huge bushes? Thinking about going to Africa in the future. Good choice? Any information about countries, locations and description on how hairy the women are in that country or at that location?

Please help me in my quest finding those massive bushes and hairy pits so I can fulfill my longtime fantasy.

The Swede[/QUOTE]I am not really going to say anything useful about Vietnam, as all the Viets I have been with work in bars (outside Vietnam, usually KL or Singapore). But I notice in Thailand that nearly all the bargirls shave. However, I don't think most "normal" girls do. Hence when I have barfined a waitress who gets taken once a month or so, often she does not shave. No idea whether you can apply this to Vietnam though, or whether you can buy a waitress there.

As you probably know, Asian bushes usually (but not always) are smaller and cuter than untrimmed Western bushes, I am into them too.

J.

Who still in vietnam and wanting to hang out? I am vietnamese-american still in hcm for the next 2 days. If you want some friend to hang out pm me

[QUOTE=Johnsue; 1193399]I am not really going to say anything useful about Vietnam, as all the Viets I have been with work in bars (outside Vietnam, usually KL or Singapore). But I notice in Thailand that nearly all the bargirls shave. However, I don't think most "normal" girls do. Hence when I have barfined a waitress who gets taken once a month or so, often she does not shave. No idea whether you can apply this to Vietnam though, or whether you can buy a waitress there.

As you probably know, Asian bushes usually (but not always) are smaller and cuter than untrimmed Western bushes, I am into them too.

J.[/QUOTE]Males in Vietnam and (I think) some other parts of SE Asia hold the view that there is bad karma associated with a shaved pussy and as a result any 'regular' gals do not shave although they do trim and keep it neat.

The outcome from this is that if you encounter a Vietnamese gal in Vietnam or elsewhere who is shaved then that is a clear indication that they are on the game and regularly servicing foreigners. Combine this with a lot of jewellery and makeup and it spells professional and I avoid.

I been travel to HCMC and will stay at Rex Hotel. This was 1st trip for me to HCMC and seeking some help info did Nearby have any massage spa or some good place for pick girl? I don't mind for 1 short or over also can.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz; 1194720]Males in Vietnam and (I think) some other parts of SE Asia hold the view that there is bad karma associated with a shaved pussy and as a result any 'regular' gals do not shave although they do trim and keep it neat.

The outcome from this is that if you encounter a Vietnamese gal in Vietnam or elsewhere who is shaved then that is a clear indication that they are on the game and regularly servicing foreigners. Combine this with a lot of jewellery and makeup and it spells professional and I avoid.[/QUOTE]And riding motorbikes.

[QUOTE=Jacky Tan;1203446]I been travel to HCMC and will stay at Rex Hotel. This was 1st trip for me to HCMC and seeking some help info did Nearby have any massage spa or some good place for pick girl? I don't mind for 1 short or over also can.[/QUOTE]- Don't worry, you are right in the center of everything.

- I have been during the last ten years a user of the delights of Sai Gon. I heard that there are dancing cessions in the hotel during week-ends, but I never dared to try, because a little shy of my age, which is stupid of me, because VN girls don't care; anyway, I guess that the girls are a bit sophisticated / expensive there. Whatever you do, if you get a drink on the terrace with a girl, it's a real moment of pleasure with a wonderful sight.

- If you look backwards in this forum, you will get real good information from Wendella, Sudsoz, JD and others.

Dirty old man

[QUOTE=DirtyOldMan; 1212289]- Don't worry, you are right in the center of everything.

- I have been during the last ten years a user of the delights of Sai Gon. I heard that there are dancing cessions in the hotel during week-ends, but I never dared to try, because a little shy of my age, which is stupid of me, because VN girls don't care; anyway, I guess that the girls are a bit sophisticated / expensive there. Whatever you do, if you get a drink on the terrace with a girl, it's a real moment of pleasure with a wonderful sight.

- If you look backwards in this forum, you will get real good information from Wendella, Sudsoz, JD and others.

Dirty old man[/QUOTE]There are no "dancing sessions" in the Rex Hotel at weekends. There are NO "sophisticated" girls in Vietnam.

JD

Hi guys. I'm arriving next Friday night in SGN at 10:15pm. What is the best way to get to district 1 and what should a taxi cost? Can I pay with American $?

Anyone there want to have a drink?

Thanks

[QUOTE=ScubaBum;1213881]Hi guys. I'm arriving next Friday night in SGN at 10:15pm. What is the best way to get to district 1 and what should a taxi cost? Can I pay with American $?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to the international terminal for several years. It should be the same as the domestic terminal.

The best way is to take the taxi to District 1.

Do not take the taxis in the taxi stand. Those probably have rip-off meters.

Walk to the parking lot in front of the terminal. Go to either the Vina Sun or Mai Linh taxi stands. Only / always take those taxis in Saigon. Other taxis have rip off meters.

When Vina Sun or Mai Linh taxis drop off customers at the airport, they aren't allowed to pick up new customers at the drop off point. They all go to the parking lot and wait for the new customers. The cost is the same; this system just makes everything orderly. The sedans are slightly cheaper than the crossover taxis.

Years ago, all taxis ripped you off at the airport. Vina Sun and Mai Linh are large companies that won't allow rip-offs (those commies are learning). The sign in the Vina Sun taxi says to call their office if the taxi driver attempts to charge you more than the meter. Actually, most Vina Sun taxis have automatic meters with sensors where it turns on automatically.

The taxi to District 1 should cost around 100K dong. The US dollar is accepted everywhere in Saigon; Vietnam has a dual currency system.

Only minor rip-off will be that some taxi drivers will attempt to charge you the parking fee when both entering and exiting the airport. My guess is that only the entering customer should pay; I think it was 10K dong.

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1213360]There are no "dancing sessions" in the Rex Hotel at weekends. There are NO "sophisticated" girls in Vietnam.

JD[/QUOTE]Mr. Johndao.

It is an honor to be in the thread with you. A few friends and I from the US will be in Vietnam soon, we will be going to a few cities, HCMC, Nha Trang and Hoi An. Do you have any specific hotels you could recommend that are near the action or are over night friendly?

GreenBud-thanks for the info. One more please: Do you think it would be easy to get to Sihanoukville from HCM? I have a week before I plan on returning to Pattaya. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=ScubaBum;1214156]Do you think it would be easy to get to Sihanoukville from HCM? I have a week before I plan on returning to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Yes, very easy.

The HCM to Phnom Penh route is an established route for the tourist bus; it will be cheap and convenient; take the Mekong Express. Then there are many buses from Phnom Penh to Sihanoukville; you can also take private or shared taxis from Phnom Penh.

There seems to be more of a direct route, but that path is not established. You might have to do it independently. Travelfish poster said that the direct path is "grueling".

See following for more info: [url]http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1718240[/url]

You should be able to do that route in one day via tourist buses. Mekong Express according to this site will sell you a ticket for that route: http://www.canbypublications.com/cambodia/buses.htm#SR-HCMC

I just wonder if the bus in Phnom Penh will wait for you if that bus from HCM is late. You can also stay in Phnom Penh for 1 day and explore; the city has a few sites that are decent.

You can also go overland from Sihanoukville to Pattaya. See travelfish.org and talesofasia.com for detailed info.

Thank you again GreenBud. I would like to go back to PP. I was there last year the day after all those poor people died on the bridge. A lot of the bars were closed and even though I got a beauty out of Sharkies, everything was very toned down as it was a very sad time for PP.

In PP, there were a few streets that had beautiful 18-20 year olds sitting outside at tables that I would like to see if they are on the program or just offering a drinking companion.

Thanks again.

Hi.

I have been in BKK for a couple of moths now, and later this month, I will be heading to HMC for a week. I am very familiar with the BKK scene, but this will be my first time in HMC.

So I have "RTFF" going back a few months, including Wendella's reports which I have found very informative. However, I have come across many abbreviations and references which I am not 100% sure about: BJ Bars are straight forward and I expect not dissimilar to BKK's. Others I have only tried to deduce what they are, such as OM cafes, Hot Toks, Korean barbershops, etc. Is there a post somewhere in the Vietnam forum that someone could point me to which describes these? Otherwise, could someone (when they have nothing better to do) provide some description of these establishments and what one should expect there?

Thanks in advance!

Digits

[QUOTE=Digits; 1214554]Hi.

I have been in BKK for a couple of moths now, and later this month, I will be heading to HMC for a week. I am very familiar with the BKK scene, but this will be my first time in HMC.

So I have "RTFF" going back a few months, including Wendella's reports which I have found very informative. However, I have come across many abbreviations and references which I am not 100% sure about: BJ Bars are straight forward and I expect not dissimilar to BKK's. Others I have only tried to deduce what they are, such as OM cafes, Hot Toks, Korean barbershops, etc. Is there a post somewhere in the Vietnam forum that someone could point me to which describes these? Otherwise, could someone (when they have nothing better to do) provide some description of these establishments and what one should expect there?

Digits[/QUOTE]Hi, First of all, if you had really read the VN Forum thoroughly you would not have these questions.

Secondly, BJ bars are not straightforward and NOTHING in VN is similar to BKK. If you make the mistake of thinking anything in VN is similar to BKK you will lose your money, your time and probably your patience.

Thirdly, Hot Tocs are haircut places but the real purpose of the ones people are writing about here is BJ. Not all Hot Toc offer BJ though. Read here for addresses. 'Om' means hug in Vietnamese so 'Cafe Om' is hugging cafes, sometimes HJ or BJ or both, sometimes not. Korean Barbershops are brothels masquerading as barbershops often visited by Koreans and found where many Koreans live and work such as Phu My Hung in D7 and in Tan Binh District near the airport. Anyone except for Vietnamese can go there.

Have fun, don't make the mistake I referred to above.

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1215130]Hi, First of all, if you had really read the VN Forum thoroughly you would not have these questions.

Secondly, BJ bars are not straightforward and NOTHING in VN is similar to BKK. If you make the mistake of thinking anything in VN is similar to BKK you will lose your money, your time and probably your patience.

Thirdly, Hot Tocs are haircut places but the real purpose of the ones people are writing about here is BJ. Not all Hot Toc offer BJ though. Read here for addresses. 'Om' means hug in Vietnamese so 'Cafe Om' is hugging cafes, sometimes HJ or BJ or both, sometimes not. Korean Barbershops are brothels masquerading as barbershops often visited by Koreans and found where many Koreans live and work such as Phu My Hung in D7 and in Tan Binh District near the airport. Anyone except for Vietnamese can go there.

Have fun, don't make the mistake I referred to above.

JD[/QUOTE]Very helpful Johndao! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1213360]There are no "dancing sessions" in the Rex Hotel at weekends. There are NO "sophisticated" girls in Vietnam.

JD[/QUOTE]Thank you for the information about the Rex Hotel. For the "sophisticated" girls, I stay with my opinion; although not native english speaker, may I remind you that "sophisticated", in English, just means relative to taste, to life style, appearance.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1213884]I haven't been to the international terminal for several years. It should be the same as the domestic terminal.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but this info is actually out of date. There is indeed a separate international terminal at the airport now. Regarding the rest of your post, you're absolutely correct that Mai Linh and Vinasun are the companies to use. There's actually one more legit company out there now, the name escapes me at the moment but it has "airport" in its name, if I remember correctly (help here anyone?). That one is also legit and will use the meter and not add on any bogus fees. Beware of the rest. The ripoff is not slight, it can be quite damaging. I had people come in and get taken by an unscrupulous taxi driver, and were charged $50 US in total to get to District 5. This is a ride that would cost under $10 total in one of the reputable taxis. This happened a couple years ago so it is possible that they have clamped down on this kind of thing, but from the details in your report it sounded like you were referring to the old setup before the international terminal was finished. With that terminal came a much more ruthless breed of taxi mafia. Better to be on the safe side and take one of the good taxis, and make sure they use the meter. From what I've been told, the ripoff artists will not even use the meter, but will just tell you the price when they arrive at your destination. They also have a scam set up with someone at the ticket booth exiting the airport where another unexpected fee of $10 or $15 is added to your bill for some ticket that you supposedly must pay. Not true. Passengers and taxis are not required to pay any fee to exit the airport. This is a totally bogus charge.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1215780]Sorry, but this info is actually out of date. There is indeed a separate international terminal at the airport now. Regarding the rest of your post, you're absolutely correct that Mai Linh and Vinasun are the companies to use.[/QUOTE]I know of another reputable company. It is called Vinataxi. It is bright yellow in color. When boarding a taxi, always check that the driver is in proper uniform. Usually a white short sleeve shirt plus a tie. Once entering the taxi, ask 'meter? ', although the meter can be ripped. Best is to wave down a taxi that is just passing by on the road, instead of getting on a taxi that is parked by the roadside waiting for its next victim. The scam artists usually have taxi designed very closely to the real ones. Check online for pictures of the taxis of these legitimate companies. Usually they play around with the logo or the telephone numbers.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1160342]This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out...[/QUOTE]Extremely well written report! Thanks Wendella! Do you also know the opening hours for these bars? Official an unofficial? (especially the unofficial) That would be super!

Slacker

[QUOTE=Wendella;1215780]Sorry, but this info is actually out of date. There is indeed a separate international terminal at the airport now. Regarding the rest of your post, you're absolutely correct that Mai Linh and Vinasun are the companies to use. There's actually one more legit company out there now, [b]the name escapes me at the moment but it has "airport" in its name[/b].[/QUOTE]

You mean 'Saigon Airport Taxi' with the larger SUVs? Generally ok but there is a chance you will get a cowboy driver who will try to hit you up for extras when you reach your destination just as happened to a friend of mine who shared one of these cabs with me the last time from the airport (I alighted first). This company is a subsidiary of SASCO, the ground services company of the Southern Vietnam Airport Authority. The fare from the airport to most places in Q1 is approx. VND 120.000 - 130.000 on the meter now, a slight upward adjustment to the metered fare compared to approx. a year ago. For all taxi companies it is approx. VND 15.000 per km up to 31 kms. If you know your distance, they wont be able to pull a fast one on you.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1215780]Sorry, but this info is actually out of date. There is indeed a separate international terminal at the airport now. Regarding the rest of your post, you're absolutely correct that Mai Linh and Vinasun are the companies to use.[/QUOTE]Actually, I meant the "taxi system" at the international terminal should be the same as the domestic terminal (I fly the Nha Trang to Saigon route). I wasn't an English major.

Most taxi problems can be avoided by always taking Mai Linh or Vinasun. Note to be careful about copy cat taxis that makes their taxi look like those two, but if you carefully examine them, you will notice the difference.

[QUOTE=Raverboy;1218572]You mean 'Saigon Airport Taxi' with the larger SUVs? Generally ok but there is a chance you will get a cowboy driver who will try to hit you up for extras when you reach your destination just as happened to a friend of mine who shared one of these cabs with me the last time from the airport (I alighted first). This company is a subsidiary of SASCO, the ground services company of the Southern Vietnam Airport Authority. The fare from the airport to most places in Q1 is approx. VND 120.000 - 130.000 on the meter now, a slight upward adjustment to the metered fare compared to approx. a year ago. For all taxi companies it is approx. VND 15.000 per km up to 31 kms. If you know your distance, they wont be able to pull a fast one on you.[/QUOTE]

I avoid anything to do with SASCO that I can. Rip-off after rip-off.

To get Mai Linh taxis you have to walk to the far left of the International Terminal and argue with the security guys - especially if you do not have a Mai Linh card!

[QUOTE=Sudsoz; 1219652]I avoid anything to do with SASCO that I can. Rip-off after rip-off.

To get Mai Linh taxis you have to walk to the far left of the International Terminal and argue with the security guys. Especially if you do not have a Mai Linh card![/QUOTE]How do you get the Mai Linh Card. Will be in HCMC again next week. If I arrive early enough usually I don't bother with taxis and just take the Bus 152 do Ben Thanh Market (Runs from the international terminal 6 am until 6pm and the ticket costs 4000 VND).

I am going to arrive in Ho Chi Minh this afternoon and am looking forward to trying a couple of the blow and go places before I leave for Cambodia. I will most likely be staying in the Pham Ngu Lao area (which I believe is district 1). I have read many posts that include the names of streets that have blow and gos and appreciate the info.

My problem is that I will not have my own transportation (driving a motorbike in large Vietnamese cities scares the crap out of me!) and I do not want to get in a situation where a motorbike or taxi driver tries to squeeze in and get a commission. Can anyone recommend the name of a store or restaurant in the vicinity of the main blow and go areas? That way I can ask to be let off there and then explore the area. This is assuming that walking from the Pham Ngu Lao area is not feasible.

I've tried searching the board for this info and came up dry.

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1219731]I am going to arrive in Ho Chi Minh this afternoon.[/QUOTE]I think I just found my answer. Unless I misread the post, a visit to the Jade Emperor Pagoda should get me close to where I want to be.

Now if I can just get lucky and type the right search term to find a place to the an infamous fire and ice BJ!

Hi Senior Members,

I really enjoy your posts. I only read from 5 pages back so far, but will go back 5 more, later. Thanks to all contributors, I really learned a lot. I usually party in southern China and have posted there many times and know a lot of senior members on the board, so if anyone needs any help with a town called chang ping in the duongguan, China area, send me a pm. This place really is the best place for our hobby, by far.

I have been to hcm many times before, but it's been 4 years since my last visit. I think the best times hcm had was in the 1990's where 90% of the girls at all the clubs were working girls. They were all hot and young and had a nice attitude. I believe they were all freelancers too. 500k was the Lt. Rate back then. But I did get a 1 million girl back then that was one of the most hottest vn girls I have ever meet. All my friends used to tease me, fucking million dollar man. That was when my friend Mr Dac used to own the first major clubs in hcm. I fail to recall the names of his clubs. But club blue, took every club by storm, before it burned down.

Things have changed so much. Now less than 10% of the girls at clubs are working, so it's no longer a good place to pick up girls. Thanks to wendella, I got new vigor to come to vn. Billiards bars seems to be where I'll be spending most of my time. I hope to bump into a senior member there. I'll be there from December 10 to jan 4, if anyone wants to hunt in numbers, please pm me.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1219708]How do you get the Mai Linh Card. Will be in HCMC again next week. If I arrive early enough usually I don't bother with taxis and just take the Bus 152 do Ben Thanh Market (Runs from the international terminal 6 am until 6pm and the ticket costs 4000 VND).[/QUOTE]As far as I know the Mai Linh card is issued to foreign and local companies in VN on request.

yesterday i had to say goodbye to saigon and hello, to cambodia. it was bittersweet because i had the most consistent mongering success during my 40+ days in vietnam there.

thanks to this board i was able to get one of the top 10 bjs of my life at ben nys. it did cost 120k more than the board said but it seemed worth it. i was quoted 120k at the front desk and when i tried to hand the girl 100k after the deed she slightly demured. i probably could have just walked away but truthfully her performance warranted another 100k. my biggest regret was not going back there. i was staying on pham ngu lao and did not have a motorbike. i was also a bit hesitant becausethe taxi i took ended up being over 200k, but i am 99% the bastard took a round about way to over charge me (the company was also not vinasun which was my mistake).

i also discovered a pretty good sw who goes up and down pgl at night. she is rail thin and not much to look at but gives a great bj when she puts forth the effort. it was so good the first time i took her a second night, but after that the need for variety kicked in. she was also willing to go to the cheap st hotel and negotiate down on the price (another chick on pgl who was far from pretty would not budge from $30).

i also found what i would consider a stunner at little queenies. i went with her twice and was very disappointed when she was not working on my last night in town (i should have got her number). for a vietnamse chick she had great tits and her attitude was top notch. she also never rushed me and made each experience very pleasant. i think a part of her attitude was based on mine. she mentioned that some customers are very grabby with her in the bar and she hates it. she was cool enough to let me snap off some nudes for my personal collection.

i almost fell victim to the motorbike scam. a clear ladyboy and an overly made up young girl pretty much forced me onto a motorbike one night. i am not sure why i did not hop off because my spidey sense was tingling hard. when we got to the hotel the girl made a curious phone call and kept pushing to massage me even though i kept saying no massage just boom boom yum yum. when she finally gave up the massage talk she put my clothes on the bed instead of in the chair, again a clear sign to leave. about a minute into a terrible blow job i hear a noise and turn around to see the lady boy reaching for my clothes through a window. i grabbed my clothes and ran out naked after the lady boy. i then went back to the room and demanded my money from the girl. of course she tried to play the me **** police come card and part of me wanted to pin her down and take the money but i had seen at least 2 other women outside the room and had no reason to believe that the hotel was not in on it so i fled the scene. please learn from my mistake and avoid the motorbike chicks who ride in pairs and if you go never pay the full amount up front.

i picked up a terrible bar girl on the same street as little queenies. i went for variety instead of consistency and wound up with a terrible chick. she would not flex on the price and pushed me for lady drinks. that night i learned that anytime a chick who makes it clear that she will go with you pushes for extra lady drinks to run the other way because they are looking to part you from your money as quickly as possible with as little effort as possible. she was also a terrible performer. first she tried to fight me tooth and nail when i tried to stick anymore than the tip of my dick in. to finish i essentially had to give myself a hj and she would not even let me cim. the funny thing was the confused look obecausen her face when i ignored her everytime she tried to get me into her cafe after that.

i also got a damned good gfe from a chick at the cyclo bar. i know most expats stay away from there the price (including a very high barfine) is ridiculously high compared to saigon and even the pgl area, but i wanted to splurge on my penultimate night and her friend had been planting the seed every time i went in. she made the experience well worth it with multiple positions, a great attitude and sexy bedroom eyes. as is sometimes the case, i had a hard time finishing anet the she was very patient with me. i have no idea how she performs with other customers. i went there several times and although more often than not she left with the same customer, i never saw a repeat customer (but it's not like i was in there all day every day). she would not let me take nude photos but let me take a couple of her with clothes on.

i will say that of the three takeaway places, the two i got the best experiences from were the ones where i developed a rapport with people who worked there that i did not want to have sex with. i only mention this because many mongers fail to grasp the face that working girls talk and listen to each other. sometimes the price, experience, extras. you get come down to nothing more than a co-worker telling the girl you go with to treat you right or else. when i went with the girl from cyclo bar, her co worker who had asked me several times about going with her had the girl put me on the phone after the deed was done to make sure that the performance was up to snuff.

as always, safe travelling.

Joe, care to share the name or pics of the stunner you mentioned in little queenies. If not publicly either by email or pm?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1222939]I also found what I would consider a stunner at Little Queenies.

I almost fell victim to the motorbike scam.

I also got a damned good GFE from a chick at the cyclo bar.[/QUOTE]Where is "Little Queenies"? Never heard of that one. Sounds like its in the backpacker district somewhere.

Where were you approached for that motorbike scam? Also in PNL area?

Finally, I didn't realize there was takeout and barfines at Cyclo bar (the one on Pham Ngu Lao street near Nguyen Thai Hoc?). You said it was a lot. Can you let us know how much that was?

Hi,

I have read the FR's over the last few pages and since there is no mention of this, I am bringing up this question.

I will be in HCMC in the middle of next week and while booking hotels, the site says that a Vietnamese national will not be able to stay with a foreigner unless proof of marriage is produced. My question is "Does this apply to all hotels? ' IF not then can anyone please advise names of GF hotels or a way around having to book another room at the same hotel.

How does a tourist take a woman for LT to his room without hassles? Are there any GF hotels in District 1 where this problem will not be faced?

Would really appreciate it if anyone familiar with this dilemma can help.

Thanks,

TB

If you're checking in at small hotels, like 3 stars hotels you will have no problems bringing girls back to stay over night. At 5 stars hotels, most own by government, they don't let girls stay pass like 10pm or so, unless you check in an extra room for your girls. There are many small hotels at D1 to look for. Good luck and play safe.

[QUOTE=Travel Buddy; 1224208]Hi,

I have read the FR's over the last few pages and since there is no mention of this, I am bringing up this question.

I will be in HCMC in the middle of next week and while booking hotels, the site says that a Vietnamese national will not be able to stay with a foreigner unless proof of marriage is produced. My question is "Does this apply to all hotels? ' IF not then can anyone please advise names of GF hotels or a way around having to book another room at the same hotel.

How does a tourist take a woman for LT to his room without hassles? Are there any GF hotels in District 1 where this problem will not be faced?

Would really appreciate it if anyone familiar with this dilemma can help.

Thanks,

TB[/QUOTE]

Hi Fellow fellows.

Landed in hmc and have read the forum like 20 pages back. Thanks everyone for empowering me with knowledge. I could probably find all the places by myself with the info I read. But would be way more fun to party with others, so if anyone wants to go out for a beer or massage, pm me and we can meet up. I'll be here till jan 8. I look Chinese, japanese, Korean, Vietnamese etc. So I have no problem blending in. I can ride the motorbike around and kind of know my way around. Anyways, either taxi or motorbike is good with me.

So let me know who's out in the field and wants a wingman via Private Message.

Went looking for Benny or ben ne or ben le, however it's spelled. Made it to Ben thanh area or however it's spelled. Couldn't find it and was getting dark so I decided to head back to 91 but didn't have time to partake, but did shoot pool with a nice girl named LAN. 21 years old. Stayed there with my cousin for a couple of hours, total damage was 550, 000.

Saw 3 guys that just arrived speaking English. Was that anyone here? Was around 6 pm, Sunday.

[QUOTE=Dan Hawaii;1226008]Went looking for Benny or ben ne or ben le, however it's spelled. Made it to Ben thanh area or however it's spelled. Couldn't find it[/QUOTE]If and when you use a taxi, it seems that you need to tell him both the district and street.

For Benny's BNG, write down on a piece of paper the following:

Binh Thanh.

110 Dien Bien Phu.

A Vinasun or Mai Linh taxi will be approx 70K dong from Pham Ngu Lao.

You pay 120K dong to the clerk, and then 100K dong after the deed.

For the FS ones at the Korean quarter, write down:

Tan Binh.

Ba Vi St.

There's also a few on Thang Long St (It seems you're in the middle of everything on the corner of Ba Vi and Thang Long).

Vinasun or Mai Linh taxi will be approx 100K dong from Pham Ngu Lao.

The first one on Ba Vi (coming from Thang Long) had a sign that said something like "sorry the price for room went up to 150K dong". It seems you pay everything afterwards. Made a mistake; I picked the cutest one there; starfish attitude. Paid 650K total; girl seem too happy with her 500K dong tip.

PS: For those without good taste, there is a Jollibee near the intersection of Thang Long and that major street.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1226087]If and when you use a taxi, it seems that you need to tell him both the district and street.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for sharing. You seem to be changing the skepticism of this forum to the better.

Keep up the good work please.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1226087]If and when you use a taxi, it seems that you need to tell him both the district and street.

For Benny's BNG, write down on a piece of paper the following:

Binh Thanh.

110 Dien Bien Phu.

A Vinasun or Mai Linh taxi will be approx 70K dong from Pham Ngu Lao.[/QUOTE]Or 4000 Dong by Bus no. 93 from Pham Ngu Lao Bus station. Get off after the bridge and walk a few meters.

On the way back I haven't found where the bus stops on the opposite site, as it seems impossible to cross there.

Thanks green bud.

I actually had the address to benny, but I was on motorbike alone trying to find it. Next time I'll take the taxi.

Thanks for the Korean address, never had that one. Will try to find and partake and write a post. I've just been too busy that I really didn't have any time to do any mongering.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1226087]If and when you use a taxi, it seems that you need to tell him both the district and street.

For Benny's BNG, write down on a piece of paper the following:

Binh Thanh.

110 Dien Bien Phu.

A Vinasun or Mai Linh taxi will be approx 70K dong from Pham Ngu Lao.

You pay 120K dong to the clerk, and then 100K dong after the deed.

For the FS ones at the Korean quarter, write down:

Tan Binh.

Ba Vi St.

There's also a few on Thang Long St (It seems you're in the middle of everything on the corner of Ba Vi and Thang Long).

Vinasun or Mai Linh taxi will be approx 100K dong from Pham Ngu Lao.

The first one on Ba Vi (coming from Thang Long) had a sign that said something like "sorry the price for room went up to 150K dong". It seems you pay everything afterwards. Made a mistake; I picked the cutest one there; starfish attitude. Paid 650K total; girl seem too happy with her 500K dong tip.

PS: For those without good taste, there is a Jollibee near the intersection of Thang Long and that major street.[/QUOTE]

My first Maiden post in HCM.

Location:18, Hong Viet, Phuong 4, Quan Tan Binh, Vietnam (in simpler word, it's located in Tan Binh district, just next to First Hotel)

Name: Nga.

Face: 4/5.

Body: 4/5.

Skill: Sensual HJ.

Service: 4/5.

Age: 23, she showed her I'd to me.

GFE: 4/5.

Price: 200, 00 VND for body massage and 200, 000 VND for HJ.

Language: Vietnamese with very basic English.

Pros: All girls here are SYT.

Con: No BJ or FS on site.

Summary.

I went to Ho Chi Minh last week for business. My distributor brought me to this Massage Center, named De Nhat.

To those who is not familiar with the procedure, this is the simple guide:

As we enter, we put all our valuables in the locker and wrapped ourselves in towel. We proceed to the shower to clean ourselves. After that, you can have the option of soaking yourselves in hot jacuzzi, a foot bath or the steam room. We choose the steam room. After steamed ourselves, we back to shower and given a fresh towel to dried ourselves.

Back to the locker room and they will give you a massage suite, a extra large pant and and a robe.

Then we walked to the 2nd floor.

Ok, I guess by default, they will assume you are here for he foot massage, which will lead you to a room with open chairs facing the TV. If you want a happy ending, tell the person-in-charge that you are looking for "body massage". He will get the link.

He brought us to another alley will many rooms. Along the way, saw a cute girl escorting a old man out. He probably finished his deed. I entered the room. Hung my robe, and sit patiently for my masseur to come.

I noticed the door is not 100, with some part having mirror that can see through, thus I can't really hanky panky inside.

Then my masseur came, damn. She is gorgeous.

(sorry guys, no pic as my iphone is in the locker)

She is cute, fair, slim body, around 160cm, with boobs around 32A.

First on the menu was body massage, and I must say, her massage is good. She loosen a few joints.

During the massage, I learned that she can speak basic English. I really thank God that He gave me a Vietnamese girl who can understand English. What I did next was just be gentleman towards her, instead of groping her from top to bottom. Flirt a little bit.

She flipped me over, with the tower covering my genitals. She lightly press on my didi, signaling me for massage.

Before that I joked to her that I was gay, so I have no sexual thoughts of her, she try to prove me wrong, thus took out the towel and begin my sensual HJ.

Cut the story short, that night, her shift ends at 12pm. The next following day, her shift ends at 10pm. We exchanged number and contact. We agreed to meet tomorrow night at Coffee Bean, near the Ave Marie statue (I forgot the place name)

Deed done, she gave a paper, you are supposed to write how much you want to tips her for the HJ. If I am not wrong, the market price is around 200, 00 VND. Went back down, to change into my normal wear, proceed to the counter and pay.

Here is the pic of the entrance.

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[QUOTE=Travel Buddy; 1224208]Hi,

I have read the FR's over the last few pages and since there is no mention of this, I am bringing up this question.

I will be in HCMC in the middle of next week and while booking hotels, the site says that a Vietnamese national will not be able to stay with a foreigner unless proof of marriage is produced. My question is "Does this apply to all hotels? ' IF not then can anyone please advise names of GF hotels or a way around having to book another room at the same hotel.

How does a tourist take a woman for LT to his room without hassles? Are there any GF hotels in District 1 where this problem will not be faced?

Would really appreciate it if anyone familiar with this dilemma can help.

Thanks,

TB[/QUOTE]I can't believe I can actually offer some help on this board, but I can on this. I have already called ahead and checked with the hotel I have booked in D1. They told me there wasn't a problem, but there would be a 5. 00 USD charge. I will be there in a week, if I have a problem with this, I'll post what I happens.

[QUOTE=Akane5555; 1226207]My first Maiden post in HCM.

Location:18, Hong Viet, Phuong 4, Quan Tan Binh, Vietnam (in simpler word, it's located in Tan Binh district, just next to First Hotel) ...[/QUOTE]

Nice detailed FR.

Street name is [b]Hoang Viet[/b], not Hong Viet, in Q Tan Binh.

So how many cups of coffee did you get the next day, and how much per cup? ;)

[QUOTE=RedskinzzFans;1228215]I can't believe I can actually offer some help on this board, but I can on this. I have already called ahead and checked with the hotel I have booked in D1. They told me there wasn't a problem, but there would be a 5. 00 USD charge. I will be there in a week, if I have a problem with this, I'll post what I happens.[/QUOTE]I do not know what kind of hotel you are staying but it is a fact all 4 and up * hotels do display a clear sign on reception counter saying that after 9pm no guests are allowed in the rooms by governemental act.

In the forum you might have read stories confirming this.

5 US$, albeit a small fortune for some vietnamense standard, is a cheap price to pay: it means the concierge will close his eyes.

I doubt you can go around the rule with a "mere" 5US$ extra.

So I would be personally still be careful.

We all know actions take place in ST hotels, but sturely these will not be visited by LE (on principle) and the reception willnot call your room to ask wheteher the lady is your wife, since that it is the business of a ST hotel.

But business hotels will most likely enforce the law and if you bring someone at 5pm, you might get a call at 9pm reminding youshe has to leave. Supposing they let her go to our room at 5pm. (I think one cannot bet on this)

My two cents

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1228863]I do not know what kind of hotel you are staying but it is a fact all 4 and up * hotels do display a clear sign on reception counter saying that after 9pm no guests are allowed in the rooms by governemental act.
...[/QUOTE]All the smaller Hotels for example in Bui Vien area allow girls. Some at a small charge, some for free. I'd book for a night in advance and then shop around.

Forget the Star hotels in this regard.

Anybody got any ideas which one I should chase? LOL.

Will be there in 27 days, and counting down.

H is out

[QUOTE=Hardlock1; 1229050]Anybody got any ideas which one I should chase? LOL.

Will be there in 27 days, and counting down.

H is out[/QUOTE]Wow that's funny. I know one of those girls. Haha. Small world.

[QUOTE=Hardlock1; 1229050]Anybody got any ideas which one I should chase? LOL.

Will be there in 27 days, and counting down.

H is out[/QUOTE]Is this a trick question?

The one wearing black looks way more cute. IMHO.

Went to Benny last week. Finally found the place. Had around 10 girls ranging from 4-7 on the looks scale. 120k to reception and 100k tip to the girl. So cheap for cim! I think the girl I chose is named LAN.

Someone was wondering about cleaning yourself off after the deed. I just used the sink right in the small room that she does the BBBJ. There's soap and the height of the sink is right around your little brothers height while standing. So I just tippy toed and hung little brother over the sink and started to clean him. There's soap too. Made kind of a lite mess but nobody seemed to care. Haha.

Went to 1 a couple days ago with my cousin and his friend. Im not sure where we were, but it is in the phu nhuan district. Stayed for an hour and the bill was 750k. Not sure but seemed expensive? We sat 3 girls though. Not sure if that included a sitting charge for the 3 girls too?

Anyways, my cousin said he knows the mommy and stuff so the girl only costed 1 million for St and that included the St hotel too. So 1 million for girl and hotel. 3 hours.

Long story short, she was hot and very GFE.

L. 8.

22 years old.

Service. 9.

Very GFE.

B. 8.

BBBJ, dfk, played with her clit and she got all wet and kissing got more passionate. Wow, she was on! I must say 1 of my top 10 providers. I will definitely repeat. I got her number too.

My cousin said we can skip the beer om and just pick up girls because he's friends with the mommy. And we tipped the mommy 200k.

they pronounce it "go ship". that's what i'm hearing. went with a couple of girl friends that are not working girls, well that's what i presume. one of the girls had her purse stolen from under the table where they hang them. found it empty in the girls bathroom. she lost an iphone and 1 million she said. that kind of ruined the tone of the party.

anyways, i saw a bunch of girls rep001tered around in the club in the same sparkling sexy outfit. i was wondering if they were working girls available for st or lt? for sure beer om girls, but do they provide more?

Not sure about the correct name. Went there 2 times and saw no signs of working girls.

Merry Christmas everyone!

Heading to condao island soon. I heard it's paradise.

Is there anything special going on for new years in hcmc?

[QUOTE=Dan Hawaii; 1229967]Not sure about the correct name. Went there 2 times and saw no signs of working girls.

Merry Christmas everyone!

Heading to condao island soon. I heard it's paradise.

Is there anything special going on for new years in hcmc?[/QUOTE]Gold Club (2 Ho Huan Nghiep) definitely doesn't have working girls inside. Just girl who are paid by the club to stand there looking pretty and drink your booze and eat your fruit. It is possible to pull those girls out of the club, but its more based on relationship than p4p. Also the name is correct, however, Vietnamese generally like to refer to a club name by the number and westerners use the actual name since we can read it.

Con Dao is beautiful, but a bit boring. Not much to do there.

For info on events here in Saigon check out [url]www.anyarena.com.[/url] There is some good shit coming up for NYE.

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45; 1229991]Gold Club (2 Ho Huan Nghiep) definitely doesn't have working girls inside.

Con Dao is beautiful, but a bit boring. Not much to do there.[/QUOTE]We going to that gold club again tonight for nye.

Yeah, con dao scenic was nice but a bit boring. Weather sucked too. Was to windy for fishing and diving on the boats. Did go to some nice beaches, ate some fresh seafood and shells. No mongering available. Not even any massage places legit and not. Got to bring ho's if you going. The tap water is bad there too, brown, must be from the rust from the pipes.

[QUOTE=Dan Hawaii; 1232058]We going to that gold club again tonight for nye.

Yeah, con dao scenic was nice but a bit boring. Weather sucked too. Was to windy for fishing and diving on the boats. Did go to some nice beaches, ate some fresh seafood and shells. No mongering available. Not even any massage places legit and not. Got to bring ho's if you going. The tap water is bad there too, brown, must be from the rust from the pipes.[/QUOTE]Hey, Dan Hawaii, keep us updated on the clubs and bars. Let us know if there are working girls at gold club and if they are hotties or uglies. Dan, let us know of your journeys.

This place got some hotties. A restaurant with possible p4p action. Address is

So 10 NGO van nam P ben nghe Q. 1

Highly recommended. Bring your A game.

Best to come 1:30pm or 9:30pm.

Shifts end 1 hour after that. So you can possibly take them out.

Went there nye after 02 gold club.

Saw some p4p girls. Couldn't participate. However got confirmation that this is the club for p4p. According to my cousin, it's around 1 to 2 million for LT.

This is the gentelmans only club. Do not bring wives or gf.

Planning soon for a trip to Ho Chin Minh City. Would any one recommend a friendly hotel with a gym? I also prefer hotels near parks?

Thanks

Have stayed out in the Tan Binh area and it's quite dead during the day but passed through it on my way to the airport last month and found it really hopping at night, well lit with loads a fine girls about. Anyone done any hunting in this area? Le Van Sy st. Near the large church is the area I'm talking about. Seemed like it would be productive. I'm headed back there soon and would like afew tips if anyone knows this area.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22;1233459]Have stayed out in the Tan Binh area and it's quite dead during the day but passed through it on my way to the airport last month and found it really hopping at night, well lit with loads a fine girls about. Anyone done any hunting in this area? Le Van Sy st. Near the large church is the area I'm talking about. Seemed like it would be productive. I'm headed back there soon and would like afew tips if anyone knows this area.[/QUOTE]I stay in Tan Binh area last Dec. Visited a men's spa, next to First Hotel.

I think all the people ain Tan Binh area knows this hotel and its neighboring spa.

(Location:18, Hong Viet, Phuong 4, Quan Tan Binh, Vietnam)

200, 000VND for shower, jacuzzi, sauna and body massage.

Another 200, 000VND for the HJ.

Make sure you ask for "body massage" when you reach there, or else, by default it's the leg massage which there is no extra service.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1223137]Where is "Little Queenies"? Never heard of that one. Sounds like its in the backpacker district somewhere.

Where were you approached for that motorbike scam? Also in PNL area?

Finally, I didn't realize there was takeout and barfines at Cyclo bar (the one on Pham Ngu Lao street near Nguyen Thai Hoc?). You said it was a lot. Can you let us know how much that was?[/QUOTE]Sorry it took so long to respond but.

Little Queenies is down from Pho Quynh on a street perpendicular to PNL and Bui Vien. There are a few other takeaway places on the same road. If you go to little queenies don't expect too much variety. I went there three times and only saw 2 girls working, but on the plus side I was never charged a bar fine. To a degree I liked the vibe as well. When I went back on my last night the girl I wanted was not working so the manager (maybe owner for all I know) offered me the girl who was sitting next to her talking (I think she called the girl her niece or something) and told me to come to her if anything was off with the performance.

The motorbike thing happened on PNL. There is a small convenience store and a hotel with a massage place inside near where I was approached.

Sorry about the lack of details for the Cyclo Bar. It is on PNL and I either paid 20 or 25 for the bar fine (she did not stay the night). I don't know if that is the standard and I mainly went along with it because I was on the way out of Vietnam and tend to be loose with the case my last few days in a country.

A note on Cyclo Bar. Although all the girls will sit and drink with you there only appeared to be one who left with customers. I got pretty friendly (100% plutonic) with one of the girls and she told me that most of the girls there have boyfriends or are only there to practice their english.

Anyone have any good experiences with vietnamese girls from Adultfriendfinder (AFF)?

One thing I just had to try during my week in Saigon was a hot toc, because I've never seen this kind of place as I've been living in China. After reading about the Ben Ny Hot Toc (yes Ben Ny, bot Benny's) on this thread again and again, I decided I would go there. However, when I arrived at Ben Ny around 9 PM on a Monday night, it was closed. Right next door, I noticed that the My Tien Hot Toc appeared to be open, so I figured I would give it a try. Unfortunately, at the time, I had no idea how much I should pay at My Tien. I only knew 220, 000 VND was the standard at Ben Ny.

A really sexy girl approached me as I entered My Tien. She asked if I wanted a blowjob, so I said yes and followed her up the spiral staircase. I asked her how much I should pay, and she told me 120, 000 VND for the room, and the tip should be the same as the room price. So in other words, the total price should be 240, 000 VND. This is only 20, 000 VND more than Ben Ny, so I just agreed with the price, and she led me into one of the tiny, curtained-off rooms. She also informed me that we have 40 minutes total to do our business.

Her English was passable, and she had full sized breasts (probably a full C cup) , so I would rate her as an 8 out of 10. I'm guessing she was probably in her early 30s, but that's perfectly fine with me. I lied on a little table, which somewhat resembled a table that patients lie on when receiving surgery. She slightly massaged my chest and shoulders for like 2 minutes. She then pulled my pants and underwear down to my knees, and she pulled her breasts out from under her bra and went to work. I was feeling up her breasts and ass during the deed. She definitely knew how to suck a dick, and I came in her mouth after only about 3 minutes of sucking. After that, she cleaned her mouth out with the little sink that sits right behind your head (the one you would be using if you actually got your hair washed). She also went to wash up in a little bathroom just right outside the curtained-off rooms.

She came back about 2 minutes later and massaged me for about another 2 minutes. I told her I am finished, and she led me back downstairs. She definitely had a great and friendly attitude throughout the service. I gave the mama-san 120, 000 VND, and I then directly gave my girl 120, 000 VND. I left very happy and satisfied, and I decided I will try to come back again a couple of days later.

Two days later, in the early afternoon, I showed up at the Ben Ny Hot Toc again, and this time it was open. I walked in, and the girl sitting at the front desk spoke zero English, and she flashed me 400, 000 VND. I showed her two fingers, and she shrugged her head no. I then wrote "200, 000" on a piece of paper, and she still shrugged her head no. After that I just left and went back to the My Tien Hot Toc. There was no way in hell I was going to pay 400, 000 VND at Ben Ny for a blowjob.

This time when I entered My Tien, I didn't get the same warm welcome as the time before. There were maybe 8 girls sitting around playing cards and doing nothing, and they seemed very uninterested in my presence. Also, none of the girls were above a 6 this time. I already knew I probably wouldn't get very good service this time, but I just decided to bite the bullet and give it a try anyway. I picked the best looking girl (a 6) , and she led me up the spiral staircase and into one of the curtained-off rooms. I didn't talk about price because this time there was no reason to. I immediately realized that the girl I chose speaks zero English, but it wasn't a big deal.

Just like the time before, I got a brief massage followed by some sucking. I was feeling up her B-cup tits and her ass just like the last chick I had. Definitely some good sucking. I came in her mouth after about 4 minutes, and she washed up just like the last chick. This time when I was trying to leave the little room, the girl stood in front of me so I couldn't exit. I knew right away that what would follow probably wouldn't be good. She flashed me three fingers and was saying some things in Vietnamese that I didn't understand at all. I can only assume she was wanting me to pay her 300, 000 VND. After about 1 minute of shaking my head no, I got around her and went down the spiral staircase.

I handed the papa-san 200, 000 VND (I figured I would give it a try) , and then I attempted to leave. The papa-san then blocked the exit, and all the card-playing girls were shouting at me and scalding me in Vietnamese. The papa-san showed me 4 fingers on his hand, and I just kept shaking my head no. After about 2 minutes of this, he flashed me a 20, 000 VND bill, so I just gave him 20, 000 VND more. He then reluctantly allowed me to exit. I kinda felt shaken up and disappointed this time around, which was a complete 180 from the last time I went.

Just be warned that you might have to put up with some bullshit if you go to the My Tien Hot Toc. Both times I went there the sucking was excellent, but the atmosphere was way better the first time I went compared to the second time I went. Unfortunately I never got to try out the Ben Ny Hot Toc, which has been raved about so much on this forum.

Going to Vietnam soon. Any one know russians Ho Chi Minh City? Good choise?

[QUOTE=Cheong777;1240202]Going to Vietnam soon. Any one know russians Ho Chi Minh City? Good choise?[/QUOTE]To Cheong,

Why Russian WG go to HMC to work they can go where the Money at Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore or Japan, you might want to use your head sometime before you ask question like this, HMC is in a third world country no many high roller come here for fun this is where you come for cheap viet girl.

Fast Eddie 48

Bro I go for HMC to work for my company and wanted to find some europenian girls but not cheap viet girl. Thets why I asked. I do not want cheap viet girl but need europenian. I think have some russians or ukrainian girls in HMC. Not? Can share info?

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1240350]To Cheong,

Why Russian WG go to HMC to work they can go where the Money at Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore or Japan, you might want to use your head sometime before you ask question like this, HMC is in a third world country no many high roller come here for fun this is where you come for cheap viet girl.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]

What district and street is this hot toc on, please?

Many thanks

[QUOTE=CaptainStrong; 1240083]One thing I just had to try during my week in Saigon was a hot toc, because I've never seen this kind of place as I've been living in China. After reading about the Ben Ny Hot Toc (yes Ben Ny, bot Benny's) on this thread again and again, I decided I would go there. However, when I arrived at Ben Ny around 9 PM on a Monday night, it was closed.

Monday night this week was TET, the most important holiday in Vietnam. Traditionally everyone who possibly can be, is with their family, often outside of HCMC. Almost every legitimate business, and many of the others, are closed now for at least three days, or longer. The main exceptions are tourist oriented, like around PHAM NGU LAO / BUI VIEN and all hotels and some restaurants.

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1240523]What district and street is this hot toc on, please, and do you recall the name of the C Cup girl? Many thanks.

[QUOTE=CaptainStrong; 1240083]One thing I just had to try during my week in Saigon was a hot toc, because I've never seen this kind of place as I've been living in China. After reading about the Ben Ny Hot Toc (yes Ben Ny, bot Benny's) on this thread again and again, I decided I would go there. However, when I arrived at Ben Ny around 9 PM on a Monday night, it was closed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48;1240350]Cheong,you might want to use your head sometime before you ask question like this, HMC is in a third world country no many high roller come here for fun this is where you come for cheap viet girl. Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Where's the love, Fast Eddie? Give the brother a break. Ain't you getting much lately and it makes you so snarky?

[QUOTE=Cheong777;1240420]Bro I go for HMC to work for my company and wanted to find some europenian girls but not cheap viet girl. Thets why I asked. I do not want cheap viet girl but need europenian. I think have some russians or ukrainian girls in HMC. Not? Can share info?[/QUOTE]To Cheong

If you find a high end KTV with Russian in HMC let me know I never find one yet, I will be in HMC next month for business also and I will be looking for local girl for fun, if I want Russian or Ukranian girl I go to Macau or Kiev.

Fast Eddie 48

Just like the time before, I got a brief massage followed by some sucking. I was feeling up her B-cup tits and her ass just like the last chick I had. Definitely some good sucking. I came in her mouth after about 4 minutes, and she washed up just like the last chick. This time when I was trying to leave the little room, the girl stood in front of me so I couldn't exit. I knew right away that what would follow probably wouldn't be good. She flashed me three fingers and was saying some things in Vietnamese that I didn't understand at all. I can only assume she was wanting me to pay her 300, 000 VND. After about 1 minute of shaking my head no, I got around her and went down the spiral staircase.

I handed the papa-san 200, 000 VND (I figured I would give it a try) , and then I attempted to leave. The papa-san then blocked the exit, and all the card-playing girls were shouting at me and scalding me in Vietnamese. The papa-san showed me 4 fingers on his hand, and I just kept shaking my head no. After about 2 minutes of this, he flashed me a 20, 000 VND bill, so I just gave him 20, 000 VND more. He then reluctantly allowed me to exit. I kinda felt shaken up and disappointed this time around, which was a complete 180 from the last time I went.

Just be warned that you might have to put up with some bullshit if you go to the My Tien Hot Toc. Both times I went there the sucking was excellent, but the atmosphere was way better the first time I went compared to the second time I went. Unfortunately I never got to try out the Ben Ny Hot Toc, which has been raved about so much on this forum.[/QUOTE]To Captain

Let it be a lession be learn never assume price will be the same, in Vietnam there are many scam maybe is CNY or they try to charge you more because you are a tourist you should offer 250 k at Ben NY see if they will take that and just walk up front,

Lucky for you extra 200k is only about 10 USD look at it a CNY gift.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=D Cups;1240523]What district and street is this hot toc on, please, and do you recall the name of the C Cup girl? Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't have a clue what the girl's name is, but the My Tien Hot Toc itself is located directly next to the Ben Ny Hot Toc. I don't know the exact address for the My Tien Hot Toc, but the address for Ben Ny is:

110 Dien Bien Phu.

Binh Thanh District.

Make absolutely sure that you go to the 110 in Binh Thanh District, and not the 110 in District 1/3, or else you will wind up at some Japanese restaurant. Yes, there are two 110's on the same street. Just show up at My Tien on a weekday night (after 6 PM) , and I imagine you can find the same girl I had there. And so you know, she wasn't the only big-breasted chick I saw there. At least the first time I went, because I didn't see any big-breasted chicks the second time I went.

[QUOTE=Clixtox;1240904]Monday night this week was TET, the most important holiday in Vietnam.[/QUOTE]The first time I went to the My Tien Hot Toc was on January 16th, an entire week before Tet. In case you didn't notice, I wrote that post on January 22nd, which means the Monday I was referring to had to be January 16th and not January 23rd (unless I was somehow predicting the future).

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48;1241044]Lucky for you extra 200k is only about 10 USD look at it a CNY gift.[/QUOTE]So you know, I only paid 220,000 VND total that second time I went there, which is only 20,000 VND extra, and not 200,000 VND extra. I'm not sure why you added an extra zero on there.

"this time when i entered my tien, i didn't get the same warm welcome as the time before. there were maybe 8 girls sitting around playing cards and doing nothing, and they seemed very uninterested in my presence. also, none of the girls were above a 6 this time. i already knew i probably wouldn't get very good service this time, but i just decided to bite the bullet and give it a try anyway. i picked the best looking girl (a 6) , and she led me up the spiral staircase and into one of the curtained-off rooms. i didn't talk about price because this time there was no reason to. i immediately realized that the girl i chose speaks zero english, but it wasn't a big deal."

others have mentioned the tet holiday- this is a dead giveaway to why you ran into trouble! the locals here work there tails off all year long, and they're given one week (although mentally it lasts about a month lol) to cut loose and relax. and one of the main ways they do this is to gamble on the cards! (casino entrance is forbidden for vnese, so this is a tolerated respite).

what probably happened is you got a girl who was riding a losing streak- simple as that! you're actually only in the middle-range of what sometimes the hottoc girls try to pull. sometimes they'll ask for 500k until you speak a few bargaining phrases in their language, then they will usually revert to the norm. props to you for sticking to your guns though! keep them honest- but try not to cause and scene and bring bad attitudes and karma for the rest of us.

as for the moto girls around the same areas (there are two main strips near these bng's) , after so many times being teased by them, i finally said wtf and tried it. in the end it wasn't the best experience, but it was safe and cheap and i would try it again.

it was late at night and during tet, not much other traffic happening, so i was feeling bold. a couple of the girls were on one bike and saw them go past twice. they looked hot, nice boobs- but they seemed only interested in speeding along, so i figured that was a good reflection of their drug of the evening! so i slowed down and crept along to see what would happen. sure enough very soon a young one drove up and she was kinda cute so i said how much? and she said 500k.

i followed her along xo viet past the petrol station, and she cut down a really narrow lane leading to a hotel. i was asked to pay (i think it was like 100k) , and even though i tried to demand paying after in the room, (to ensure good service- i even tried to explain "bonus") in my basic vnese, she didn't get me, so i just paid her the 500. what followed was missionary only sex, no oral offered, with nuzzling boobs (she tried to keep her top on but she had nice ones for a petite girl so finally she agreed to pulled it down) and necking discouraged. but she gave a good tight ride and even let herself have a bit of fun after we got more jokey.

what i'd like to see is a few more reports on these girls- they are quite prevalent after dark on xo viet and nbk. stick to the price, see if you can bargain for extras, tip a bit accordingly, and let's show them that we can be good customers if they will loosen up a bit more and have fun.

I have a real thing about girls wearing Ao Dai, the traditional Vietnamese dress.

Anyone know a place where girls wear them?

[QUOTE=Hazzer; 1243140]I have a real thing about girls wearing Ao Dai, the traditional Vietnamese dress.

Anyone know a place where girls wear them?[/QUOTE]Banks, Vietnam Airlines, many restaurants, weddings, pupils / students on Mondays, etc.

Don't forget the hot tocs. Well, some of them.

[QUOTE=Johndao;1243907]Banks, Vietnam Airlines, many restaurants, weddings, pupils / students on Mondays, etc.[/QUOTE]

Anyone know where I can catch the Super Bowl this Monday morning?

[QUOTE=Hazzer; 1243140]I have a real thing about girls wearing Ao Dai, the traditional Vietnamese dress.

Anyone know a place where girls wear them?[/QUOTE]What kind of place? An ordinary business, like ones mentioned by someone below? Or do you mean at a place where you can pick up the girls, such as a billiard bar or bia om?

If the latter, the Japanese bars in District 1 (also in the general HBT area, most together in one small street down at the start of Le Thanh Ton) are probably your best bet. Not cheap, those places-and better suited to groups, in order to spread the cost around a bit. And the girls take a bit of work and return visits to get anywhere with, so it could end up being an expensive exercise in frustration. Or maybe not. Your call. Some very attractive girls work in some of those places, so if you have the cash to burn it could be worth it.

[QUOTE=Whisper1;1244113]Anyone know where I can catch the Super Bowl this Monday morning?[/QUOTE]One I know of is a bar in D1 called Phatty's. I can never remember the name of the street it's on so maybe someone else here can help with that part (or else Google).

There's probably other places too.

[QUOTE=Whisper1;1244113]Anyone know where I can catch the Super Bowl this Monday morning?[/QUOTE]To Whisper

I am sure it will be on cable tv like star sport most hotel should have it, I saw the pro bowl on tv in Thailand and will be in HMC tomorrow and I am picking the NY Giant to win again.

Fast Eddie 48

Phatties and Hogs Breath will show it live- cheers.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1244236]To Whisper

I am sure it will be on cable tv like star sport most hotel should have it, I saw the pro bowl on tv in Thailand and will be in HMC tomorrow and I am picking the NY Giant to win again.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1244116]One I know of is a bar in D1 called Phatty's. I can never remember the name of the street it's on so maybe someone else here can help with that part (or else Google).

There's probably other places too.[/QUOTE]Phatty's is on Ton That Thiep Street in D1. Street is immediately adjacent to Sunwah Tower on Nguyen Hue.

[QUOTE=Raverboy;1244416]Phatty's is on Ton That Thiep Street in D1. Street is immediately adjacent to Sunwah Tower on Nguyen Hue.[/QUOTE]I know that this is the first year of live streaming free for the Super bowl. I will be watching at Phattys in Saigon, doors open 6am I am told. Newbie to HCMC, just 2 days in Country and the head is spinning. Thanks to all info posted, sure to make some rookie mistakes over the next two weeks but less thanks to the info sharing. Thanks and go Pats.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1244115]What kind of place? An ordinary business, like ones mentioned by someone below? Or do you mean at a place where you can pick up the girls, such as a billiard bar or bia om?

If the latter, the Japanese bars in District 1 (also in the general HBT area, most together in one small street down at the start of Le Thanh Ton) are probably your best bet. Not cheap, those places-and better suited to groups, in order to spread the cost around a bit. And the girls take a bit of work and return visits to get anywhere with, so it could end up being an expensive exercise in frustration. Or maybe not. Your call. Some very attractive girls work in some of those places, so if you have the cash to burn it could be worth it.[/QUOTE]There was a rumour a few years back about a restaurant to the north of Saigon where the gals had Ao Dai without the pants and they operated as a no-hands restaurant where you could have some fun. Never found it.

When the old mama was at the Saigon NY bar on Dong Du you called ask for the gal to wear the Ao Dai which always a bit of fun. Out of touch with that now.

I'm going to make a recount of my three weeks vacation in Vietnam.

First some background info. I'm a Viet Kieu on my first visit to Vietnam. I went with three other friends that did not know of my activities. First two days were spent in Saigon, then 10 days of visiting the major hot spots around Vietnam, then the last 8 days in Saigon. I speak adequate VN. This is my first time mongering anywhere. This forum was my main source of information.

#1 A massage parlor in Nha Trang. A cute girl, around 6, that gave an OK massage. She then ask if I want a massage "down there". I comply. We start discussing the fee, and she says it's normal to tip 300k for HJ in these parts. I counter with 100k. She doesn't agree and goes back to normal massage. At the end she asks me again and I say 150k. She agrees and gives me a functional HJ.

#2 Benny. Walk in, pays 120k up front and is shown in. Gets a 29 year old girl named Thuy. She pops out her boobs. I try to reach downstairs, but she denies. She says something, probably her period. We chit chat quite a lot. She was quite teasing in the start.

Being my first time mongering, I don't know how "active" I'm allowed to be. I tried getting her to go all the way down the shaft a couple of times, but she makes denying sounds. The third time she yells at me "nam I'm!" (lie still!). The rest of the BBBJ was straight forward. CIM I the end, paid 100k tip and was ushered out.

#3 91 around 8PM. I asked outside how much for a beer and was told 40k. I went in and around 15 girls were waiting. They were around 6-8. I expected to be assaulted by these girls as mentioned around these forums. But no girl even said Hi, so I went to the bar and ordered a beer. I tried getting eye-contact with a couple, but they all looked another way.

I observed a group of three western people with a girl. The girl was quite teasing and playful. A couple minutes later a pack of Chinese men came and the girls flocked around them. They all went upstairs (to be displayed and chosen I guess).

After around 5 minutes I asked a girl over. She was 21 and had only worked two days. It was easy to tell that she was new in the game and that she didn't enjoy doing this. I played dumb and asked what the deal was in this place. She told me that I buy her drinks, she talks to me, and I tip her at least 200k when we are done. I thought this was just for shows, so I played along. After three lady drinks she still wouldn't even let me touch her. I asked if she wanted to get out of here, but she wasn't allowed by her mamasan (she claimed that she was still too new for that stuff) and that she didn't want to be seen doing this. I sent her away, paying 200k in tips and 180k for drinks.

After another 5 minutes I had another girl over. This one was a bit more playful and allowed touching her arm and thighs, but not much else. She told me I had to ask the mamasan if I could take her out, but she didn't know where the mamasan was. The bartenders couldn't help me neither. We talked for 45 minutes. She didn't press for drinks. She even showed me her family pictures on her phone. At the end she suggested that it was perhaps time for me to leave. I paid the same as the last girl and left a bit bewildered.

#4 Benny. Paid 120k up front and I got a 5er and proceeded into the booth. This time I didn't engage in small talk. She proceeded to clean me and lick me all over. Then she grabbed my legs and started wiping my ass. I was surprised because I couldn't remember reading about this kind of service at these B&Gs. She gave me a one minute rimjob then went back to BBBJ. This girl also dropped her pants and popped out her boobs. She allowed me to finger her. She was very good at giving BJ.

After CIM she pretended to kiss me. She was quite playful throughout the session. Then she asked me if I wanted to go a second time. In hindsight, I should have said yes. I wanted to give her 150k in tip but I had no change. In the end I gave her 200k and she was quite happy.

#5 Benny. Same ticket price, got a new girl. I met the girl from the first trip. She whispered in my ear "lucky, you got the sifu!". This girl continued to tease / stare me whenever we passed.

Then it was into the booth, she gave me a cleanup, then licked me all over, and another surprise rimjob. She was on her period, so no fingering this time. The BBBJ was good and another CIM. She asked me if I wanted second serving, and I would have accepted if she wasn't on her period. I gave her 100k, she asked for more but I said that I know it's only 100k.

#6 Benny. BBBJ, no touching downstairs and CIM. Quite forgettable amidst the other visits. Looked disappointed when I gave her 100k.

My overall thoughts is that Benny is a great place for a B&G. It's too bad that the service you are offered differs from girl to girl. Some girl claims they are not allowed to drop their pants, while other drop them willingly. I couldn't figure out what happened at 91. Too bad I didn't have another free night to explore another bar.

I was wondering if I was supposed to post this into this thread or the Ho Chi Minh City. Massage Parlor thread but in the end I chose for this one anyways, correct me if I am wrong. I would like to start off with thanking JD for answering my questions, without your help I would not have been able to enjoy this kind of experiences in the first place. Also cheers to XuperXstar for his PM's, hope you are doing well on your quest to happyness and self exploration.

Now about my experiences:

I have visited the My Tien HT 4 times. I thought I would not be able to make a proper judgement unless I visited a place multiple times so I did. The rate was always 200k to the girl and 150k to the house. I believe I could have given 100/150k to the girl and 100k to the house but I was not able to haggle (don't forget: newcomer + shitty Vietnamese = bad negotiation position) so sorry if I partially contributed to inflating the market. I think all the girls had something going for them except for 1 or 2 odd looking old haggs amongst them, so I would rate the girls as 8/10. All girls were pretty long for Vietnamese, had boobs (fake or not I probably would not even notice, I have read that fakes feel like rocks well those I felt were soft like pillows LOL) , had little fat and actually had an ass to grab! The HT itself I would rate as an 7/10. The massage chairs are comfortable, not dirty, the rooms are not so big and neither are the partitions, the rooms are not well lit either but that is what I would expect from this kind of establishment so can't mark down on that. I just recall reading something about somebody having a heated argument in either Ben Ny or My Tien, I tend to go in the daytime and in my opinion the people were nice, friendly and welcoming. I did not experience any price haggling like this person had experienced. (Although later I realised I was overpaying somewhat) I should mention that I agreed on the price after entering the room upstairs every single time as I do not want to haggle myself in front of the girls, the girls also agreed on the mamasans price during the quick money talk in advance of BJ. Also. 3 out of 4 was BJ +CIM and the girls dropped their bra and strings by free will.

Service wise, I had 1 so so experience. 1 shitty experience. 1 good experience and 1 heavenly experience. (I feel like not telling the name of the heavenly one now seriously, please do not mind if I do not.) I had a good and shitty experience with a seemingly energetic girl called Nhi, she gave me her phone number and tried to talk a lot of Vietnamese to me, she cannot speak a word of English, her age is 22. The first time I picked her she was good and the second time it seemed like she already became too familiar with me and actually slightly hurt the miniature version of me so I guess I will not be choosing her again even though it saddens me because her face is cute and her body is nice, I thought she looked the best out of all the girls. I had a so so experience with a girl who was 27 years old had nice big boobs, she gave a lousy massage + BJ at the beginning but I stimulated her with my tongue and she went from lousy to pretty good. I did ask her if she had a number assigned to her but she tried to explain (I think) that nobody had numbers assigned so I would have to know their names. This was my first time so I did not really know what to expect and forgot to ask her name haha. My heavenly experience was truly superb. It was the second time I went and I was assigned to the first girl waiting on the foot of the stairs, I was not sure if I wanted to go with her and looked around for any alternatives afraid I would be insulting her but I was curious. I looked around, it was a Sunday and I did not see anything remotely interesting (which conflicts my review of the HT indeed, but I guess Sunday is just shit as many girls want to rest that day, can't blame them working the whole week) so in the end she was the pick of the litter sort of speaking. She was fantastic and very accommodating, she didn't want to kiss but if you could call a BJ, GFE then this was as close as GFE as it gets.

Did I mention that I always talk to much? Sorry if this post is like a wall of text. Anyways what are my most important conclusions:

- Do not get too familiar with the girls.

- Always say that, my friend said the price here was (if you are new) : xx, so next time obviously I will say that my friend said the price is 100k for the girl and 100k for the house, if you do well I will tip a bit more.

- Do not feel obligated to go up with the girl you do not want, but be aware that the first choice might actually not be so bad, take a good look you do not want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a stunner and have a shitty experience.

- Ask their number if you like them and maybe you can go with them to the hotel, which I am going to try with Nhi and report about later. (She just looks like my type, I want to bang her alot, I will just have to educate her how to not hurt the miniature version of me, she is still 22 so I guess she should be new to the business)

I almost forgot to mention that I have also tried FS and had a so so experience in Ba Vi street. Where is obvious when you enter the street you should be able to spot the place. I came across a petite and young (20 years) girl on her first day of work (today is her Third day of work) from Can Tho named Vy. She is really short (around 1. 50) and looks really cute but I could not put mine in, it was too big for her. Just quoting her not bragging in any way. It was really nice to suck her and let her come by using my hands but I obviously I wish I could have had FS. The stupid mamasan tried to get 200k from me for herself but I noticed a sign that said because of rent increases the mamasan's fee is raised to 150k so I was pointing at the sign thinking are you f* serious you want to charge me more while there is an English sign in front of my face which tells me I should pay you 150k while the price before was 100k, I guess she must have been joking or something if not that was a really bad joke. I had to haggle with the girl as well upon entering the room, she quoted 1 mill and because I feel like an ass for paying too much for no FS I do not want to mention how much I gave on the way out, at least it was less than half! . It was my first try for FS anyways.

Happy mongering to all and hope you will be blessed with many great experiences.

Towely

At many of the "adult" entertainment emporiums in Vietnam. This unfortunate reality has previously been mentioned on these threads regularly. Perhaps if you are with a group of obvious foreigners your being Vietnamese / Viet Kieu might be overlooked. Maybe if you didn't let on that you speak Vietnamese, only spoke English, you would have a better time. I am surprised you didn't split after less than 5 minutes.

Due to the enforcement of terrible goverment policy, it is very hard to get FS in Vietnam nowadays. Vietnamese girl wants to make love and make money, but they are unable to do so.

I know there is a fuck shop in HCMC, but first it isn't cheap at all, second, it is very danger.

Not all the hotels in HCMS are girl friendly, the hotel operators scare enforcement agency like hell.

You need to find some low to medium class hotels in order to get girl in your room.

I have limited choices in HCMC, but I recommend a place if you like HJ and pick up a girl.

The place is Super Bowl near to Tan Son Nhat Airport. I walk from the airport to that place. Superbowl Massage Center is inside a small shopping center. Sry I couldn't remember the name but you could easily get Superbowl on Google Map.

The address is.

A43 Truong Son St | Ward 4, Tan Binh District, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

If you type Tr&432; &7901; ng S&417; and, H&7891; Chí Minh, Vi&7879; t Nam, you should get Saigon Superbowl directly on the map. It is very close to the airport.

The massage fee is. Sorry can't remember even just few months ago. But is cheap. Don't be shy, tell the receptionist I want PRETTY GIRL to do the massage. If you have further requirement, eg big boob, remember to write in vietnamese word on paper and show to the receptionist. She will arrange.

The asking price for EXTRA SERVICE is always high. For HJ is 300k. 400k. 500k VND. Don't fuck with this price. 200k VND would do.

No FS in the room. Need to pick up if you want to fuck the girl. The girls only know "HOTEL", they can give you their phone number. The going rate is 1. 5million-2. 0million VND. They might ask for 3-4 million if they think you are dummy.

Tips: Always tell the receptionist what you want, and ask the girl how much for HOTEL when she just gets in the room. Don't waste time if you don't like her or she demands 4 million. Give her 30k VND as tips, go outside and ask PLEASE CHANGE the girl.

Be straight or you get regret.

Last note, don't you wonder why the street walking girls, the fuck shops have almost all gone? Have you ever thought why the high class HCMC hotel are mostly not girl friendly?

I encourage mongering, but it is good to always have risk awareness in mind. Good Luck.

*A tips from my friend, you can go to Phnom Penh to get fucking lots of Vietnamese chicks in a price lower than HCMC.

I will be in and out of HCMC for about another month. Anyone want to hang out and go explore the local talent together? I stay in Quan 6 with my uncle and have yet to make it out to the local establishments. Anyways send me a PM.

I decided to go find out what Ba Vi was all about. I did some research online and found a map of the local buses because a taxi would of been about 230k to get there. Walked out to the bus stop near by and hoped on the 148. I ended up writing down the wrong address and miss my stop. Took the bus all the way to the end of the route and got off and back on again. I think it took about an hour and half to two hours to get the right bus stop. A short walk across some busy streets later, I was at Thang Long. Then from Thang Long to the first Ba Vi street, where I saw a HT next to a massage as everyone describes. I at least I think its the place. The front is half wall and half big metal gate with swirling yellow and red barber poles on the outside. The door was locked but a guy laying around and girls in short dresses of all different colors can be seen through the all glass front. They guy let me in and they start talking to me in Viet. I said "massage" and one of the girls lead me to the third floor. From a quick glance, it looked like the had a decent barber shop setup on the left side. On the way up the girl tells me in Viet not to look around. I was going to try and stick only to english but that quickly failed. Get up stairs and shower. Girl comes in and I ask her how much. She quotes me 1. 3 Mil. 300k for the house. I told her I brought only so much cash and that I need some of the taxi home. We agree on 700k but she tells me don't let the house downstairs know. Crappy massage followed by crappy CBJ and then Quick boom boom and shower. I could of probably still made the last bus home but decided to grabbed a xe om at the end of the street.

Girl was about a 7 in the face but had a body of a 12 yr old. I don't know if I have been reading too many reports, but I thought you get to pick the girl. There were some lookers in there though. Might try my luck again at the same place or explore some more in the area. I hate haggling prices, wish they would just have a set menu price. Total damage was 808k. 100k for xe om. 700k for girl and house, and 8k for bus x2.

I would link or post the bus route image but its too big and I can't post links, but google buyttphcm and it should take you in the right direction.

- A taxi from District 1 would only cost 100k.

- If you read the forum, you would've / shouldn't have ask the price once up in the bedroom. Too late.

- Price they gave you was higher than standard rates we pay. Because you asked!

[QUOTE=N The Shadows;1271425]. I was going to try and stick only to english but that quickly failed.[/QUOTE]Why? That was going to be my strategy this summer.

And when did you go (day of week and time of day)?

[QUOTE=Mash Potatoes; 1272397]- A taxi from District 1 would only cost 100k.

- If you read the forum, you would've / shouldn't have ask the price once up in the bedroom. Too late.

- Price they gave you was higher than standard rates we pay. Because you asked![/QUOTE]I live in district 6 but I took a taxi today and it was about 150k, so not as bad as I thought it was going to be, still its 300k total which if I am trying to frequently go to these places can get expensive. This time though I shopped around and visited it maybe 7 or 8 places before settling on one and you are right ask price before you go upstairs because it seems the standard rate off all places seem to be 650k, but I don't ever remember reading about asking the price first before you go upstairs. The girl I picked had a curvy ass and about B Cups. She knew how to tease and started by licking me in the right places. Short BBBJ followed by CFS. She rode me like a champ til she got tired, so I flipped her over gave her a good pounding. LFK followed by DFK. Finished from behind grabbing that nice ass of her. I got lucky with this one and she was pretty much GFE. She did tell me to finish but not in a mean kind of way. Face was about a 7 or 8, the body was an 8, and the experience over all was about 8. She tells me she just got back Cambodia and goes there to work a lot too.

Dette Er Tull. I think I have been here to long and it has become more natural. I tried the whole English thing this time though but they knew I could speak Viet. One girl even called me out and asked me why I don't talk in Viet if I knew it. I don't think it matters in these places I did see some locals leaving a joint.

[QUOTE=N The Shadows;1272667]This time though I shopped around and visited it maybe 7 or 8 places[/QUOTE]Did you manage to choose at any of the places?

[QUOTE=Dette Er Tull;1272933]Did you manage to choose at any of the places?[/QUOTE]Most of the places I walked into was willing do a line up. I believe it to be standard procedure and that the first place I went to the girl instantly saw me as a fresh target and rushed me upstairs as fast as possible. There is always one or two girls in these places that will grab you by the arm and try to pull you upstairs. They will even grab your manhood to try to keep you from leaving.

First time I went was at 6 and the second was around 10-11. The place I went to was actually open 24hrs.

If I can speak a little Vietnamese, are all the places mentioned (like HT, Benny's) safe / ok for Westerners (ie white, caucasian. 6ft inch (1. 8 metres)? I am assuming many of you guys are Viets or Chineses.

Let me know please. Can't wait to visit HCMC.

By the way. Don't worry. I always bargain to the lowest possible price.

Jon, of course places like these are ok for Westerners. I am white American and have been to Vietnam 8 X in the last 5 years. They don't care about your height. Please give the girl a nice tip if she was good to you. Don't be stingy. Karma. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Jon Guoren; 1281930]If I can speak a little Vietnamese, are all the places mentioned (like HT, Benny's) safe / ok for Westerners (ie white, caucasian. 6ft inch (1. 8 metres)? I am assuming many of you guys are Viets or Chineses.

Let me know please. Can't wait to visit HCMC.

By the way. Don't worry. I always bargain to the lowest possible price.[/QUOTE]

Can anyone recommend a couple of better quality Hotels that are GF?

The forum is so inactive =. =, I am an asian american and I will do a mongering trip to Vung Tau from May 25 to 27, anyone interested in joining? The only thing I will do there is going for FJ massages. Bars maybe if I have a companion.

For HCM city I am a frequent visitor to Korean town so it is getting kinda boring. Lineup, pikc a girl, take a showever, f then leave. Nothing new or as exciting as when I 1st started. Anyone interested can post here I will PM.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1281956]Jon, of course places like these are ok for Westerners. I am white American and have been to Vietnam 8 X in the last 5 years. They don't care about your height. Please give the girl a nice tip if she was good to you. Don't be stingy. Karma. Have fun.[/QUOTE]As I will go to Vietnam for 7 nights, I would like to find a freebie and preferably such a girlfriend who I can travel with (I. E. Owns a bike). Is this going to be easy as another westerner? I can speak some Vietnamese but limited only. I haven't seen much talk of this in the forum, only of hookers and BJ bars. Where to go to meet women who might be up for a short-time romance? Thanks for the advice, D Cups. I am more confident now. I saw some extremely cheap hotels online as well. I guess these are the local girl unfriendly hotels. I don't know. I will read more. It would be much better if these threads were more actif.

I found a review on Trip Advisor stating that the Hai Son Hotel (district 1, le lai street) is a "sex hotel" with massage + extras on the top floor. Just sharing this with other mongers in case it is worth a look. Any more info, perhaps can be added on this thread.

[QUOTE=Jon Guoren;1289145]As I will go to Vietnam for 7 nights, I would like to find a freebie and preferably such a girlfriend who I can travel with (I. E. Owns a bike). Is this going to be easy as another westerner? I can speak some Vietnamese but limited only. I haven't seen much talk of this in the forum, only of hookers and BJ bars. Where to go to meet women who might be up for a short-time romance? Thanks for the advice, D Cups. I am more confident now. I saw some extremely cheap hotels online as well. I guess these are the local girl unfriendly hotels. I don't know. I will read more. It would be much better if these threads were more actif.[/QUOTE]This is ISG, International Sex Guide. A forum discussing paid sex and how to deal with it. This is not a dating site. There are other sites providing dates (be there free or not, the dates, is another story). I am just wondering. As a matter of the talks. Why a vietanmense girl should be going around with you for a week, taking you around with a bike, becoming even your girlfriend for a week. Where is the rational for her to do so? Where's the reward and the need to do so? A week is 1/4 of a month. If she is working (any work) she should forget about 1/4 of her salary (if ever possible for anybody working taking a week off like this). If she does not work, oh, well, how can she sustain a bike and what she is living from?

[QUOTE=Jon Guoren;1289145]As I will go to Vietnam for 7 nights, I would like to find a freebie and preferably such a girlfriend who I can travel with (I. E. Owns a bike). Is this going to be easy as another westerner? I can speak some Vietnamese but limited only. I haven't seen much talk of this in the forum, only of hookers and BJ bars. Where to go to meet women who might be up for a short-time romance? Thanks for the advice, D Cups. I am more confident now. I saw some extremely cheap hotels online as well. I guess these are the local girl unfriendly hotels. I don't know. I will read more. It would be much better if these threads were more actif.[/QUOTE]I have been getting 'freebies' in Vietnam for years. But do not ever think that they are actually free.

Many of the ladies working in and around district 1 are keen to improve their english and don't mind giving out a bit along the way for a taste of a better life. Restaurants, hairdressers, shop assistants etc.

The other avenue is the bars around Hai Bai Trung and Thai Sach. They have a large turnover and often the new gals do not like being a piece of meat in a bar and quit after a night or two. Especially if they have a potential sugardaddy however temporary. This applies to the bars in Vung Tau as well.

As for hotels most of the small hotels in D1 and nearby that have less than 30 rooms and have rates less than $50 will be GF. The girl will have to provide her I'd. Try the ones around Thi Sach.

To some of those other posters. This is the internationalsexguide and it does provide guidance in many of its forums on how to get it without necessarily paying for it up front! However I do agree with the B-man about getting a gal with a motorbike to take you around for zilch. Not going to happen.

And remember that nothing is ever free and you pay for what you get. Sometimes a little generosity up front goes a long way.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz; 1290308]I have been getting 'freebies' in Vietnam for years. But do not ever think that they are actually free.

Many of the ladies working in and around district 1 are keen to improve their english and don't mind giving out a bit along the way for a taste of a better life. Restaurants, hairdressers, shop assistants etc.

The other avenue is the bars around Hai Bai Trung and Thai Sach. They have a large turnover and often the new gals do not like being a piece of meat in a bar and quit after a night or two. Especially if they have a potential sugardaddy however temporary. This applies to the bars in Vung Tau as well.

As for hotels most of the small hotels in D1 and nearby that have less than 30 rooms and have rates less than $50 will be GF. The girl will have to provide her I'd. Try the ones around Thi Sach.

To some of those other posters. This is the internationalsexguide and it does provide guidance in many of its forums on how to get it without necessarily paying for it up front! However I do agree with the B-man about getting a gal with a motorbike to take you around for zilch. Not going to happen.

And remember that nothing is ever free and you pay for what you get. Sometimes a little generosity up front goes a long way.[/QUOTE]Fab report. Kudos. I can recommend Pimsleur language program for Viet. Available from all good torrent sites or the company itself or ebay. Good points made and will learn from them.

RTFF but don't see much of anything about FS (except that it's difficult to find). I find it hard to believe that there isn't any FS at all to be had anywhere in HCMC for foreign visitors. Can anyone throw me some breadcrumbs here?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1292733]RTFF but don't see much of anything about FS (except that it's difficult to find). I find it hard to believe that there isn't any FS at all to be had anywhere in HCMC for foreign visitors. Can anyone throw me some breadcrumbs here?[/QUOTE]FS is certainly available in HMC. There are a number of touts on Hai Ba Trung Street who will quote you $40-$50 for short-time. What this means is that they will call some girls to come where you are and you choose one like, if any. If you don't like any, he will call some more. He sometimes will also take you in a taxi (can be included in price, but only one way) to a hotel (which can also be included in price, depending on the quality of the hotel) and the girls will come there. The first time I had a tout quote me $40, cab included. When we got to the hotel (OK) , price went up to $50, but then was reduced to $45. However, needed to pay 200, 000 dong for the room for one hour. He also wanted a tip, plus girl whined about tip so gave her 150, 000 tip. Total cost $65 for OK session with cute girl.

Second time, tout was named Som (in front of Club 91, Hai Ba Trung). He said no tip for him, was included in price. Was quoted $50. Since I had a girl-friendly hotel, no hotel fee. Two girls showed up, both OK. Chose one, walked to my hotel, she gave her I'd to the desk clerk, we went upstairs, did the deed (OK session) , she whined for tip, gave her 100, 000 dong. Total cost $55.

Third time was my last night in HMC. Didn't have a hotel room, as I was leaving in the middle of the night. Son found me again. Told him I didn't have hotel, and only 1, 000, 000 dong to spend, since I needed the rest to get to the airport. He said no problem. Called, two girls came. Went with one to a hotel (a dump) , paid the 1, 000, 000 to the desk clerk, went to room (crappy) , did the deed (OK, a little rushed) , she whined for a tip, told her I din't have any to give, left the hotel, and took a moto (20, 000 dong) back to Hai Ba Trung Street.

Alternatively, you can get action in the clubs along Hai Ba Trung and Dong Khoi. I was quoted $70 (in house ST) in the clubs on Dong Khoi and $50 in either 49 or 51 Hai Ba Trung. Never took them up on the offer, but you can check and see if it's worth it to you. Might be higher for takeout.

Thanks a lot Jimmy! Very helpful information. I will apply this and report back!

Hi Jon,

The hotel thing is a little more complicated in Vietnam because taking a prostitute to a hotel is against their law. And many times it is enforced. You might have to buy an extra room. I get away with it now because I know the manager and staff at Hoang Vinh Hotel on 29 Ba Huyen Thanh Quanh (near Saigon Star, Tao Dan Park) and have stayed there many times. I think it is around $35 / night. The cheaper short-time hotels near Hai Bai Trung seem to get away with it but if I really like the girl I want her to spend the night. I have also dated Vietnamese girls with motorbikes and yes it is a great way to see the city and play with her tits. The cheaper hotels in Vung Tau also don't care if you bring a girl to the room and it is a nice hydrofoil ride up the Mekong. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Jon Guoren;1289145]As I will go to Vietnam for 7 nights, I would like to find a freebie and preferably such a girlfriend who I can travel with (I. E. Owns a bike). Is this going to be easy as another westerner? I can speak some Vietnamese but limited only. I haven't seen much talk of this in the forum, only of hookers and BJ bars. Where to go to meet women who might be up for a short-time romance? Thanks for the advice, D Cups. I am more confident now. I saw some extremely cheap hotels online as well. I guess these are the local girl unfriendly hotels. I don't know. I will read more. It would be much better if these threads were more actif.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1292991]Thanks a lot Jimmy! Very helpful information. I will apply this and report back![/QUOTE]Forgot to add in my original reply that you should check the age of any girl you you get from the touts and also confirm with her what she will or won't do. The last girl I had wouldn't do BJ but since I had already paid there wasn't much I could do about it.

Just a curoious question. Why on earth everything in HCMC is quoted in Dollars? From the prices of hotel services (such as laundry) to drinks in billiard bars? One girl I got yesterday wasn't even sure how much she wanted in Dong and said 60 Dollar. I had to use my currency converter on my smartphone to show her the price in Dong and ensure that it's correct.

Having never used USD in my life (I only touched a USD note a few times in my life by a complete accident) it looks a bit weird not to mention that it doesn't say much about the price to me anyway. I have never seen this anywhere else in Asia where I've been (TH, MY, SG, CN, HK, MO). Are they lacking confidence in native currency or is it some kind of 'tradition' from the past (Vietnam war perhaps?)? I thought VND is easy to exchange and it should be no problem for anyone to use it and quote prices in it. I've heard even in Myanmar Dollar is not liked too much anymore and local currency is preferred (that country as we know is far behind with its development and international trading position). I really hope they stop doing that because it's just plain silly.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1293278]Just a curoious question. Why on earth everything in HCMC is quoted in Dollars? From the prices of hotel services (such as laundry) to drinks in billiard bars? One girl I got yesterday wasn't even sure how much she wanted in Dong and said 60 Dollar. I had to use my currency converter on my smartphone to show her the price in Dong and ensure that it's correct.[/QUOTE]US dollar has been and still is the reference currency in many countries, especially those with a weak currency.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1293278]Just a curoious question. Why on earth everything in HCMC is quoted in Dollars? From the prices of hotel services (such as laundry) to drinks in billiard bars? One girl I got yesterday wasn't even sure how much she wanted in Dong and said 60 Dollar. I had to use my currency converter on my smartphone to show her the price in Dong and ensure that it's correct.

Having never used USD in my life (I only touched a USD note a few times in my life by a complete accident) it looks a bit weird not to mention that it doesn't say much about the price to me anyway. I have never seen this anywhere else in Asia where I've been (TH, MY, SG, CN, HK, MO). Are they lacking confidence in native currency or is it some kind of 'tradition' from the past (Vietnam war perhaps?)? I thought VND is easy to exchange and it should be no problem for anyone to use it and quote prices in it. I've heard even in Myanmar Dollar is not liked too much anymore and local currency is preferred (that country as we know is far behind with its development and international trading position). I really hope they stop doing that because it's just plain silly.[/QUOTE]

Simple. In Vietnam there are two reasons and more often than not its a mixture of the two rather than one or the other.

Reference today's (15 June 2012) official Vietcombank buying rate (cash) : 1 USD = VND 20,930.

1. Plain laziness. So instead of saying One Million Two Hundred and Fifty Five Thousand, Eight Hundred Vietnam Dong, its simply easier to say 'Sixty Dollars'.

USD 60 = VND 1,255,800.

2. To the ill-informed tourist mongerer with drink in hand and pussy in the other, it is a way for them to get the better of you. Using the same example, your bill could have been actually VND 1,200,000 but if they were to use a rate of 1 USD = VND 20,000 out of convenience of course, they would have made an extra VND 55,800 out of you from out of thin air. That's half a day's wages for a lot of Vietnamese.

Those of us foreigners who live in Vietnam for an extended amount of time are used to this trick and to asking the right questions. The main solution against this is to think, talk, negotiate, everything in VND and VND ONLY.

If you're planning on visiting Cambodia anytime soon, you better get used to transacting in USD. The Cambodian Riel is not even worth the paper it's printed on. Fortunately for you only Cambodia, and to a certain extent Vietnam and Laos are about the only countries in Asia with a healthy worship (and de facto use) of the greenback.

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum but had greatly reviewed all the tips. I am currently in HCM city till Saturday (June 21th. 23rd) and wondering if anyone is also visiting HCM city and up for some mongering. I'm from California.

My number is [blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue].

Thanks,

Justin

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Hey guys,

I wanted to know your thoughts about mongering in Vietnam compared to Thailand and the Philippines since these have been countries that I've been too. Vietnam has been on my mind lately because I've been seeing some fine women around town and I'd like to meet and get to know them but a roadblock called a husband stands in the way!

Thanks for your thoughts!

Well don't let your husband prevent you from mongering!

This comparison has been done in the forum before. Don't forget Cambodia, either. It's the best bargain I've found.

Which is better is probably a matter of personal taste and environmental preferences. I like all four but prefer PI because they speak English. All four give great GFE sex, massages, etc. VN is a little trickier with the hotels but I think they are starting to lighten up on that. I have to admit the blow and go's in HCMC are great but the bars on Burgos in Makati do that, too, for a tad more money.

Certainly other mongers have opinions on this.

I wish there was an Asian country or city or bar that specialized in big boobs. I would live there.

[QUOTE=YG365; 1298462]Hey guys,

I wanted to know your thoughts about mongering in Vietnam compared to Thailand and the Philippines since these have been countries that I've been too. Vietnam has been on my mind lately because I've been seeing some fine women around town and I'd like to meet and get to know them but a roadblock called a husband stands in the way!

Thanks for your thoughts![/QUOTE]

[quote=yg365; 1298462]hey guys,

i wanted to know your thoughts about mongering in vietnam compared to thailand and the philippines since these have been countries that i've been too. vietnam has been on my mind lately because i've been seeing some fine women around town and i'd like to meet and get to know them but a roadblock called a husband stands in the way!

thanks for your thoughts![/quote]bad : p4p and even close contact to locals is illegal. the boys in green quite often do raids, i had to hide in backrooms twice. gives extra thrill. this situation makes ladies vulnerable to exploitation as they have to play hide and seek all time.

usual care to be taken with money in the room as some damsels have long fingers, do not take too much with you and never ever passports or valuables as streets & markets of downtown saigon are infested with very smart pickpockets. suburbs quite safe, hanoi everywhere safe.

p4p many ways but evrything is hidden except the ladies on bikes cruising downtown. if you want to try one of these: squeeze their crotch, if she squeeks she is a he. some look pretty much like a lady. the best is ask motorbiketaxi to help, they know where and often will approach you. bike or cyclo: 1st time do it before dark as also some drivers are bad, acually very few but they are where the tourists are.

many ladies are on the needle, beware of these and never ever bb: 100 % hiv+

good : the girls are the best you can get, at least most of them. great bodies, slim. many like bj, no need to push them. they don't roll up in towels like thai because they like to show off. taking pics or vid even with st girls mostly no problem. i played with some 150 ladies, mostly at barbers, who in the good old days had backrooms with mattrasses. you ask, if they understand what you want they will try to do. anal mostly is a no go, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url] takes a little persuasion but than they often even like it and want to kiss afterwards to find out the taste.

95% was real fun, they worked very hard for the dong, rest ok to bad.

I am going to Vietnam this summer. I am asian but not ethnically vietnamese. Is there any discrimination against asians that are not ethnically vietnamese?

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1293278]Just a curoious question. Why on earth everything in HCMC is quoted in Dollars?[/QUOTE]

History of hyperinflation.

While VND has been stable for the last few years, there's a reason simple things cost *millions* of dong. The communist government used to print money in bulk whenever they'd get in trouble, making any currency you hold increasingly worthless, therefore forcing people to think about value in dollars. At the moment they are not doing this, since there's too much commerce to be damaged, but there's nothing preventing them from starting again if they're in a bind.

The same is not the case with other currencies like THB or JPY, which had a steady inflation rate (under 10%) , for many decades.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1293278]Just a curoious question. Why on earth everything in HCMC is quoted in Dollars? .[/QUOTE]It is for those who get easily irritated by one or the other trailing zero, at the same time not too worried about spending one or the other buck too many.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1293278] I have never seen this anywhere else in Asia where I've been (TH, MY, SG, CN, HK, MO)...[/QUOTE]You haven't been in Cambodia then? There the USD is almost then official currency.

Wandella,

Great report!

I will be in HCM in the next week and am sure this report will be very helpful as I will be staying on Dong Khoi in Dist 1.

You mentioned in the report that the girls are willing to go to the hotel. I have heard that most of the hotels do not allow guests int eh room. Please guide me if there are specific hotels which are girl friendly.

Any other suggestion from you would ensure a better mongering experience.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1160342]This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.

[b]The Bars [/b]

There's a star rating (* * *) for each bar. Remember, your own taste may be different. In the best bars (three *'s and above) you can usually find some very attractive girls, often with a difficult choice of which girl you like best. In most bars (* * to * * ½) , there is still a chance of finding a hot girl, but less likely than in those rated * * * and above. In the bars at * ½ and under, you will be lucky if a very cute one is there, and these places usually have mostly less attractive or older girls (for example, it would be rare that 49 Dong Khoi has [i]any[/i] Girls who could get hired at 91 Hai Ba Trung). But if you visited every bar in one evening, you almost surely would find one pleasant surprise in one of the lesser rated bars.

Many of the names of these bars are just a number, which is their address, so for those only their address is listed.

[b] HAI BA TRUNG AREA[/b]

[b]35 Hai Ba Trung * *[/b] Small relaxing bar with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above avg. In quality. A balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better.

[b]49 Hai Ba Trung * * ½[/b] Fairly large bar, relaxed, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. Girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35.

[b]51 Hai Ba Trung * * *[/b] A bit smaller than 49, but just as relaxed. Better than average girl selection and quality (more so than 49, in my opinion). This one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. They also have 2 pool tables, one in back a step down and another up on balcony level.

[b]91 Hai Ba Trung * * * ½[/b] This bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger and taller. It is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, and the girls more full of themselves (they're pretty and know it) but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. This would get 4 stars if girls there were as friendly as in other bars. Not relaxing.

[b]2 Sisters * * [/b] 44 Dong Du. (formerly Saigon NY) Small bar near the corner of Dong Du and Hai Ba Trung, actually off HBT street. It has more of a social and fun vibe than most bars, but girls are slightly below average in general. They're nicer than ones in most of the bars though. Some girls here wear ao dais, which seems to be their code for "not available". There is a pool table upstairs, though I'm not sure how relaxed it is up there.

[b]Trai Tao (Apple) * [/b] 13 Dong Du. Across the street from Saigon NY on Dong Du just near corner of HBT. Small bar with and mainly average girls, from what I could see. Honestly I haven't checked this one out very well. Almost surely relaxing.

[b]Thien Loc * * [/b] 23 Hai Ba Trung. At the corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi. One billiard table, the whole bar is just one room one level. This one recently reopened, but was always one of the most active bars in terms of entertainment. Might have 1 or 2 cuties with around 6 more ordinary ones.

[b]29 Mac Thi Buoi ½[/b] Very small new bar down the end of an alley on Mac Thi Buoi (not to be confused with the much better 29 Dong Khoi). The alley is very near the restaurant called Juice. It has one quite cute girl who is the boss's girlfriend and isn't allowed to sit with customers, plus a small group of other girls who are not attractive. Probably relaxing.

[b] DONG KHOI STREET[/b]

[b]29 Dong Khoi * * ½[/b] On the last block before the Majestic Hotel (near the river). It has 2 levels and about a dozen girls, but in terms of looks they're below average overall, except for the occassional few new ones. It is the one bar of all of these that offers by far the best customer service. Anything goes here. If you are lucky enough to spot a stunning girl here, this place can be heaven. There are couches upstairs and also a very small private room in the back. Relaxing and then some.

[b]49 Dong Khoi 0 stars[/b] A sad little bar way in the back down a long narrow hallway and upstairs. The girls are really not very pretty in this one. Seems to be designed to lure in unsuspecting tourists who don't know what other options are nearby. I prefer not to think about how relaxed the atmosphere is here, but it almost surely is. If you noticed the lack of stars above, that was intentional.

[b] THAI VAN LUNG / THI SACH AREA[/b]

[b]Smiley Bar * * [/b] 8A / 7D2 Thai Van Lung. Right at the intersection of Cao Ba Quat. Big bar, quite a few girls but choices are bit below average in quality. Upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. Things get much more entertaining and relaxing upstairs.

[b]Chieu Thuy * [/b] 40 Thai Van Lung. On Thai Van Lung near the corner of Ly Tu Truong, at the top of the "hill." Selection and quality of girls here is distinctly below average. Pool table in front and sofas in back.

[b]Vua Trai Dua (Coconut) *½ [/b] 15B Thi Sach. On the next parallel street over (Thi Sach) as you head back toward Hai Ba Trung. This is the the same street Apocalypse Now is located on, but at the opposite end near Le Thanh Ton. Girls here seem very average, and it's a smaller bar.

[b]Momo bar [/b] 15C Thi Sach. New small bar next to Vua Trai Dua that I have not been to yet.

[b]Little Princess [/b] 5E Nguyen Sieu. New, small bar on the side street opposite 91 Hai Ba Trung. I have not tried this one out yet.

[b] LE THANH TON AREA[/b]

[b]Quan Nho * * * [/b] 13 Le Thanh Ton. A very small bar with just around 6 girls. Sofas upstairs (3 levels total) to spend time with your girl. Atnosphere more upscale than the rest of these bars. No billiards tables. They tend to get a higher level of talent in their small lineup. Quite relaxing atmosphere upstairs.

[b]Bin Bin * * * [/b] 13 Le Thanh Ton. Just across the alley from Quan Nho. This bar has the second most girls and second prettiest overall after 91. Quality of the girls here is quite good overall, sometimes excellent, and attitude and willingness usually quite good too. It has an upstairs for further entertainment. Relaxation status uncertain.

[b]How It Works[/b]

After you take a seat, normally one girl will soon approach you. Each girl is in queue to be the one who first approaches a new customer. The problem with this system (for us) is that the girl who greets you is almost never the one you want. In that case, just let the bartender know so that girl after girl doesn't approach you like this. If you prefer no girl, you can just tell the bartender you only want to have a drink but no girl. If you want a chance to have your drink while discreetly checking out the girls first before deciding, you can tell the bartender you want to wait first before choosing. In some bars they will then ask you if you want to see the girls line up for you to choose from, and they will turn up the lights so you can actually see the girls. (91 and Bin Bin typically do this) If they don't immediately offer this, you could request to see them this way.

Once you are sitting with a girl, after 2-3 lady drinks normally the girl will ask if you want to do more with her later, namely to go visit your hotel together. Some may also like to do as much as they can to get you feeling relaxed right there in the bar, which is allowed in some of these bars (but not all). If you only want to talk / grope / hug / kiss / etc. A bit at the bar, that's also fine. You must try to sense what the girl is willing to do, or else let her lead the way and show you.

These bars are perfect if you prefer to go out alone and hope to meet a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without any distractions or risks (such as: she is not that kind of girl-all these girls are that kind; the place is too crowded; the place is so loud you can't have conversation; etc.) Also, these bars are all in comfortable walking distance of each other. If you don't like what a bar has to offer, you can try the next one that is only a few steps away. If you prefer to visit one of these bars with friends, they can put your group in a private room with a low table where everyone sits on cushions. These rooms can also be used even if you are solo. You can have fun with your girl right there in the bar, or else more fun at your hotel. There are different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. Some actually allow you to do anything, and I mean anything, right in the bar. But in most you can only go to a certain point, and only when you and your girl are hidden somewhere such as in a balcony level or back room.

About prices, the price for a beer is 30, 000 (maybe still 25, 000 in some) and 50, 000 for a 'lady drink. ' (one notable exception: Quan Nho charges 50, 000 for a beer but also 50, 000 for a lady drink). In any bar, your girl will keep asking for another drink whenever she finishes one, that's standard. Don't become upset. To take a girl out, you have to buy her 5 or 6 drinks first, but normally those just get added to your bill, even if she doesn't really drink them. It's really just a barfine. For example, if you had 2 beers and she had 2 lady drinks, and you decide to take her out, they would charge you for the drinks that the 2 of you really drank (60, 000 for your 2 beers plus 100, 000 for her 2 drinks: which equals 160, 000 total) PLUS an additional (and imaginary) 4 lady drinks (200, 000) , so your total bar bill would be 360, 000. In other words, the barfine is 300, 000. And now the 2 of you are free to enjoy your evening together. The number of total drinks you must buy also depends a little on your negotiation skills, and some bars will ask for more lady drinks. As for the girl's payment, they tend to ask for 1 million for 2 hrs or so these days, but can occassionally be bargained down to as low as 800, 000.

If the bar tries to charge you a higher price for each beer or drink, tell them you were just here last week and paid only 30, 000 for each beer and 50, 000 for each lady drink-usually the bartender will play it safe and retreat to the normal price. If the bartender ever puts things like nuts or chewing gum in front of you and your girl, just have the bartender take them away. It's only a tactic to pad the bill at the end-they charge far more than those things really cost. Finally, if you want to leave the bar and not take your girl, then you should at least give her a tip. Standard tip these days is about 100, 000. If the girl's attitude was not very good, then a bit less is ok. They tend to feel insulted if it's 50, 000 or lower. If her attitude was good, pay higher accordingly. To make a good impression on a girl I want to see again, I would leave her a tip of 150, 000, or even 200, 000 for one who's very special. If you leave no tip, there's a good chance all the girls there would discuss it and brand you a "cheap charlie" after that.

If you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality in the bars fluctuates. Also, if you get there late at night or after a big group of customers has arrived together, the choices left over may be few. 7pm seems to be a peak time when you can expect almost all the girls who work there to be present and available.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. You'll need to ask others about hotels, it's not my area of expertise, have only rarely used them. The rule seems to be that you can't go to any over 3 stars. The A&them hotels are supposedly GF. There's many others. I'd say have a look in the hotels thread here, also ask regulars who mention going to hotels.

Finally, some here don't dig it if you quote a huge post like that so the entire thing appears again in the forum. I guess it's too late to do anything about it this time.

ps: funny but the automatic spell corrector built into this forum changed my spelling of the hotel name. It should not be "them" but "em".

[QUOTE=Joyra; 1303876]Wandella,

Great report!

I will be in HCM in the next week and am sure this report will be very helpful as I will be staying on Dong Khoi in Dist 1.

You mentioned in the report that the girls are willing to go to the hotel. I have heard that most of the hotels do not allow guests int eh room. Please guide me if there are specific hotels which are girl friendly.

Any other suggestion from you would ensure a better mongering experience.

Cheers![/QUOTE]To Joyra

There are a Vietnam hotel section you can go to I have post many report on GF hotel in Dist one and there are many around Hai Bai trung and Ben Tanh market area that are GF around 40 USD just avoid the big hotel like Rex or the Hyatt.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1293278]Just a curoious question. Why on earth everything in HCMC is quoted in Dollars? From the prices of hotel services (such as laundry) to drinks in billiard bars? One girl I got yesterday wasn't even sure how much she wanted in Dong and said 60 Dollar. I had to use my currency converter on my smartphone to show her the price in Dong and ensure that it's correct.[/QUOTE]Like it or not the bellicose foreign policy of the USA generally leads to one thing, a huge supply of USA dollars in many countries. From what I was told this is generally the result of soldiers using their USA dollars for off base transactions and aid workers being paid in and then paying in USA dollars.

Like another poster said, some things just come down to laziness. After a certain point the number of dong gets huge. Also, many of the prices seem to have remained the same, in dollar terms, for a while. I met a guy who said he always stays at the same hotel and for the past 10 years they have always had a sign saying 8 USD.

Another reason is downright trickiness. Some Asians have figured out that many foreigners on vacation are not very shrewd. Most travelers do not compare prices in terms of the local economy, but in terms of how much something costs back home. This is why more shops in places like Laos are putting up signs saying "Only X US dollars." Most people see signs like this and say "Wow it's only X dollars, man the same thing would cost Y dollars back home." Problem is X dollars is 4 times the real price. Many foreigners also seem to take every opportunity possible to tell locals how much something costs back home and pure Asian greed quickly convinces them to raise the price.

The final and most diabolical reason is arbitrage. I was in Vietnam last year and the actual market rate of dong to dollars was always close to 21000; however, when signs were posted in dollars I had Vietnamese convert at rates ranging from 19000 dong to dollar (these people probably put up the sign when that was the rate and have just kept the price constant) all the way up to 22000 dong to dollar. Putting the price in dollars and then accepting dong allows the vendors to screw those who are not cautious on the exchange. I even had a few refuse to come down to the real exchange rate even when I showed them up to date web pages, their response was always "That's the bank rate I give you the market rate.".

Along with the bad is always the good. The first piece of good news is that you can get most of them to give you a rate between 19k-20k dong / dollar, in countries where there are not tons of European / American goods imported the rate of inflation should have little to do with how the dollar / euro relates to the local currency. Don't try arguing just show them the price and if they won't have it walk away. Second and most important is that many of them, especially sex workers, don't really understand exchange rates they just know that dollars, euros, yen. Are worth more than their currency (my friend is a masseuse in Laos and a customer gave her a Danish note as a tip, she had no idea what it was worth all she knew was it was more valuable than kip). Often one price is asked in another currency because they hear that's what people pay in another country or they / a friend has worked somewhere else. Next time one of them asks you for dollars just politely respond with the equivalent in dong of about 50% of her request. It may sound dickish to undercut their initial request by half, but chances are what you will be offering is still good money, occasionally this can also shift their mindset towards thinking about what they can buy with the money (I. E. 500k dong = rent). More often than not it should work unless there are tons of other foreigners around. My advice would also be not to show your currency calculators to P4P girls. The ones who can understand what it is won't need to see it and for the others whatever you say is scripture.

[QUOTE=Joyra; 1303876]Wandella,

Great report!

I will be in HCM in the next week and am sure this report will be very helpful as I will be staying on Dong Khoi in Dist 1.

You mentioned in the report that the girls are willing to go to the hotel. I have heard that most of the hotels do not allow guests int eh room. Please guide me if there are specific hotels which are girl friendly.

Any other suggestion from you would ensure a better mongering experience.

Cheers![/QUOTE]A good question to ask yourself is do you want ST or LT. I've never taken a girl LT in Saigon and of the ones I have been with there were less than a few I would want LT. If you only want ST there are tons of safe, reliable ST hotels and the girls will know where to take you. I stayed in the small hotels in the Pham Ngu Lao alleys. In each of the three they said it was okay to bring someone in as long as they had an I'd and there was no trouble. If you don't find a hotel on the board, the best thing to do is ask before checking in. It may help to instead of asking if you can bring someone, ask how much is the fee for bringing someone because most people / things are money oriented.

Spent a bit of time in the Backpacker Area last night. More specifically the Go2 bar. Lots of freelancers floating around the area, and within the nightclub on the second floor of the actual bar. The Go2 bar is open 24 hours a day, and you get a good view of what's going on whilst sitting on the sidewalk watching the girls go by.

One word of warning for first timers. Got a taxi back to my hotel from outside the bar. The taxi had a rigged meter which rung up a 300K plus meter fare for what should have been less than 50k. The SYT I had picked up got a little worried when I confronted the driver, but the guard in my hotel soon sorted it out.

[QUOTE=Irish Mongrel; 1305444]Spent a bit of time in the Backpacker Area last night. More specifically the Go2 bar. Lots of freelancers floating around the area, and within the nightclub on the second floor of the actual bar. The Go2 bar is open 24 hours a day, and you get a good view of what's going on whilst sitting on the sidewalk watching the girls go by.

One word of warning for first timers. Got a taxi back to my hotel from outside the bar. The taxi had a rigged meter which rung up a 300K plus meter fare for what should have been less than 50k. The SYT I had picked up got a little worried when I confronted the driver, but the guard in my hotel soon sorted it out.[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right. Go2 is the best place in the PNL area. Freelancers retail for 1 mill and I can usually convince them to go LT if I score them late enough in the night. Most of the chicks I meet there are searching for money to score their next fix of H. They all claim to smoke it, not shoot it. Either way, their desperation leaves them wide open to fuck sessions.

I'm heading there tonight!

Bareback Creampie

[QUOTE=Irish Mongrel; 1305444]Spent a bit of time in the Backpacker Area last night. More specifically the Go2 bar. Lots of freelancers floating around the area, and within the nightclub on the second floor of the actual bar. The Go2 bar is open 24 hours a day, and you get a good view of what's going on whilst sitting on the sidewalk watching the girls go by.

One word of warning for first timers. Got a taxi back to my hotel from outside the bar. The taxi had a rigged meter which rung up a 300K plus meter fare for what should have been less than 50k. The SYT I had picked up got a little worried when I confronted the driver, but the guard in my hotel soon sorted it out.[/QUOTE]You probably didn't stick with Vinasun or Mailinh taxis. If you did you should have reported the driver to the hotline.

Also watch out in GO2 and check your bill. Better pay every drink right away. Especially in the club upstairs.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1304980]A good question to ask yourself is do you want ST or LT. I've never taken a girl LT in Saigon and of the ones I have been with there were less than a few I would want LT. If you only want ST there are tons of safe, reliable ST hotels and the girls will know where to take you. I stayed in the small hotels in the Pham Ngu Lao alleys. In each of the three they said it was okay to bring someone in as long as they had an I'd and there was no trouble. If you don't find a hotel on the board, the best thing to do is ask before checking in. It may help to instead of asking if you can bring someone, ask how much is the fee for bringing someone because most people / things are money oriented.[/QUOTE]I'm going to Saigon in a few weeks and planning to stay in one of the cheaper backpacker hotels rather than the GF friendly ones, so I'm thinking about getting ST rather than LT.

How much does it cost to rent one a room for ST? I assume you just rent it for an hour or so?

[QUOTE=Malakan; 1306011]I'm going to Saigon in a few weeks and planning to stay in one of the cheaper backpacker hotels rather than the GF friendly ones, so I'm thinking about getting ST rather than LT.

How much does it cost to rent one a room for ST? I assume you just rent it for an hour or so?[/QUOTE]I thought it were the cheaper backpacker hotels that were GF. At least that is my experience.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1306339]I thought it were the cheaper backpacker hotels that were GF. At least that is my experience.[/QUOTE]Oh ok, I didn't realize that. Most of the ones people had listed were $30-40. I'll be staying at Vy Khanh on Pham Ngu Lao. I'll report back on how it goes.

[QUOTE=Malakan;1306343]Oh ok, I didn't realize that. Most of the ones people had listed were $30-40. I'll be staying at Vy Khanh on Pham Ngu Lao. I'll report back on how it goes.[/QUOTE]There is no guarantee that this specific guesthouse is GF. But if they are not, just shop for the next one. I have yet to find a place on Bui Vien that is not GF.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1306005]You probably didn't stick with Vinasun or Mailinh taxis. If you did you should have reported the driver to the hotline.

Also watch out in GO2 and check your bill. Better pay every drink right away. Especially in the club upstairs.[/QUOTE]Tiger, you got it right on both counts. Was neither a Vinasun or Mailinh Taxi, and the bastards sort of stiffed me with the bill. Added my SYT's 2 x Baileys that she'd had prior to when I started to talk to her (only noticed that when I checked the following morning). The number hadn't seemed too outrageous considering the time I had been there, and the volume of drinks that had been drunk by my friends and I prior to them departing and leaving me on my todd!

Hey can you just forget about theattaxi and hotel? I run across a nice piece of writing featuring sex shops in HCMC on tuoitrenews website. Just google "sex shops tuoitrenews" to access the post and enjoy it!

Hello all.

Though well traveled in many places in Asia I've never been to Vietnam. I've been reading that there it's difficult in many 4* hotels and above to get girls into the hotel (especially after 9pm or 11pm) , and that at some it's impossible (must show proof that she's your wife?). In any case, I was considering taking a girl for a few days to a 4-5* resort outside HCMC to chill for a few days, but now wondering whether I'll run into that problem once there. Any advice?

Also, has anyone tried these escort services and are they in fact real or scams?

[url]http://hanoiescortservice.com[/url]

[url]http://www.saigonescort.com[/url]

[url]http://hanoiescort.jimdo.com[/url]

Thanks much, and I'll report back with results after my experience.

-B-

This place is insane. Been here for a couple of weeks, went with the Mrs to a nice place in D2 for a pampering for her (and I got a massage). She was in the next room and the massage lady offered me a HJ.

Didn't take her up on it as thought it was taking the p1ss a bit. Will post more as I am now a full-time resident.

I was wondering how is travelling to Vietnam around Christmas and New Years? Reading the forum it seems to be quiet? Do they celebrate the holidays? I don't, more interested in knowing if I can meet women at that time? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Davepuppy;1311343]massage lady offered me a HJ.[/QUOTE]To the Vietnamese a massage without a HJ is not a full massage, so no worries. Interestingly the only time they rarely offer is in the tourist areas as most westerners do not expect it, but if you aks you will normally receive it ok.

[QUOTE=Fun Pete;1311494]I was wondering how is travelling to Vietnam around Christmas and New Years? Reading the forum it seems to be quiet? Do they celebrate the holidays? I don't, more interested in knowing if I can meet women at that time? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Christmas here is still very busy and plenty of women around. Tet (Chinese new year) is when things get REAL quiet. But fun can still be found if you know where to look.

[QUOTE=Jon Does;1312143]To the Vietnamese a massage without a HJ is not a full massage, so no worries. Interestingly the only time they rarely offer is in the tourist areas as most westerners do not expect it, but if you aks you will normally receive it ok.[/QUOTE]To them the weird part is when you say no. I think that most of the women also assume that no HJ means no tip. One of the weirdest massage experiences I had was when I went in for a 1 hour foot massage and half way through she offered me a body massage. When I said just the feet she cut the price by 60k. Shortly after I laid down she reached for my testicles and I moved so she could not get to them (I had been in Vietnam for over a month and the novelty of a mechanical HJ had long since worn off). She then went to get her friend who explained to me that she did not have a lot of money and would give me the HJ for a good price. I still declined and I will never forget the look of shock on the girl's face when I handed her a tip.

Just back from a trip that included a few nights in Saigon. Visited Ben Ny and enjoyed it. They had a decent choice of women during my early afternoon visit. Pricing was very reasonable as described in earlier posts. You pay afee to the front desk girl and then pay your provider when you finish. This place was well worth the 15 minute ride from my Dong Khoi hotel.

During the day I walked by a few of the HBT area bars and noticed a few of them open early. I found a decent looking girl at 51 HBT and paid her $40 for an unrushed private session upstairs.

In district one a lot of street guys want to take you to the Thanh Cong Hotel just off Dong Khoi at 16 Ho Huan Nghiep. On my first night I walked by the hotel and a guy out front convinced me to go in for a look at the lineup. They had 5 girls, two of which were very pretty. The others were ok, too. I wound up paying $50 for the girl and $25 for the room. I would actually recommend this place. It's not GFE but if you like the lineup, it is a better option than the non private rooms at the HBT bars. You get a hotel room and a shower and the service I got was pretty good. Just be sure to negotiate because I'm sure I overpaid. The next night a different guy offered girls for $40 at the same hotel. I am assuming the lineup is the same.

First day in HCMC today. Too tired from mongering in Thailand to get any action. Also saw a lot of stuff I didn't read about here on the forum, so I wanted to see if anyone has any info.

First are the bars on Bui Vien and surrounding streets. They have names like "Ugly Bar" and such. They look a lot like the "hostess" bars in Phnom Penh you go to meet girls, or even the Soi 6 bars in Pattaya (complete with "Hello welcome" calls from the girls sitting outside). Girls sit outside and try to entice you in. Doors are tinted glass so you can't see inside. Do they work the same way (ie. Chat, buy a lady drink or two, then take them out for ST)? Or are these rip off joints where nothing is available but talking, similar to the "juicy bars" in Korea staffed by Filipinas? Any scams to be aware of here like bill jack ups and such? Are these anything like the bars near the river that are often mentioned here with some stuff available on premises and more available in ST rooms? Didn't see any customers inside any of these places. When do they "turn on"?

A lot of massage places around there, everywhere in fact. Same as Thailand. Obviously geared toward tourists but a lot of the women look very good. What kind of rates? Any extras? HE on offer usually here, or do you have to venture elsewhere?

What about the girls walking Pham Ngu Lao talking to foreigners on the sidewalk "you want massage baby"? Saw two in only a few minutes. They tried the guy in front of me, then me. The first one weighed about 70 pounds, legs like rails, looked like an H addict or disease sufferer. The second one wasn't bad looking at all. Read that these girls exist before on mainstream websites before, but don't know the deal with them. How much? Legit? Set up for police?

Saw one Hot Toc with absolutely GORGEOUS girls sitting in front and inside on one of the streets right around there. They looked at me with interest but didn't say anything. Please tell me this is a place where extras are available?

Saw at least a half dozen old white guys walking around with hot Viet women. Where are they pulling them from? PNL? The bars I mentioned? Somewhere else?

Thanks for the info!

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1320634]First day in HCMC today... Please tell me this is a place where extras are available?...
Where are they pulling them from? PNL? The bars I mentioned? Somewhere else?...[/QUOTE]After reading what you wrote in the Phnom Penh thread, I am most surprised that you ended up in Saigon. Do some serious reading here and get out of D1 or develop a lot of patience if you don't want to be ripped off. It is anything but shooting fish in a barrel.

Much different. No one has promoted HCMC as a great value or mongering destination to me. I have no expectations. I have nothing to be disappointed about here. And with a round trip ticket for $105 from BKK, why not stop by and see for myself?

Read the forum back 20 pages. Plenty of info about Benny's and other Hot Tocs, bars like 51 and 91, FS Korean massage, etc, but nothing about the things I asked about in my last post. Any info on any of that would be really great, only here for a few days.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1320827]Much different. No one has promoted HCMC as a great value or mongering destination to me. I have no expectations. I have nothing to be disappointed about here. And with a round trip ticket for $105 from BKK, why not stop by and see for myself?

Read the forum back 20 pages. Plenty of info about Benny's and other Hot Tocs, bars like 51 and 91, FS Korean massage, etc, but nothing about the things I asked about in my last post. Any info on any of that would be really great, only here for a few days.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I'd consider all massage places and Hot Tocs in PNL area rip off joints, as are most of the girlie bars. It takes a lot of patience to filter out the gems and things change very quickly. A today's gem (just arrived) can turn into a scammer in no time.

If you thought Phnom Penh's pricing was insane, you better brace yourself. ;.)

Girls in the HBT bars are generally cuter and younger than the ones in the PNL area. But they're not cheap.

again, no one has ever promoted viet nam as a value or great mongering location, so i have nothing to be disappointed about like i did in pp. not to mention that vietnam is about #40 in gdp ppp, with an average monthly income $500-700, unlike cambodia which is at the very bottom of the barrel with sub0saharan africa level gdp ppp (around #105, with an average monthly income of $30).

anyway, so far so good.

took a sexy 19 year old from a hbt bar. don't remember the name, i wondered around to about 5 different bars. all close together. will try to get the name tonight. she had really white skin, cute face and hair, amazing tight body. really hot. had to buy some lady drinks as a kind of bar fine, and two for myself, negotiated $35 for short time. went to a mini hotel nearby which is a kind of st hotel in hcmc. she started with $75, but i was too amazed and she dropped it to 50. after some chatting and charming got her down to 35. afterward tipped her 15 because it was the principle not the money involved in the negotiation. (note: this was all done in dong, but converting to usd for ease here on the forum). wouldn't allow pictures, which is a real shame.

hit ben ny's too, early afternoon. walked in, not a word said, put 120, 000 on the counter. every girl i saw (there were a lot, maybe 10) was cute, doable. some were hot. all looked like 18-22. i got one of the worst ones, terrible set of chompers in her mouth, but still cute, still a girl i would talk to at a non-p4p bar. she lead me to the lay down chair. 1 minute bullshit massage. a viet guy next to me. my girl speaks absolutely no english. don't care. didn't get her name either, not interested. grabs the little guy and points to the booths, which are tiny with frosted glass walls that don't go up the ceiling. if the walls weren't there, you'd be able to touch the guy next to you but outreaching your arm. full house. at least 3 other guys getting serviced, some loudly. the guy next to me was either getting fs or was giving his girl the finger banging of a lifetime. walls were shaking, lots of loud moaning from both, sounded like she came. got the clean up, much longer and more thorough than i got at bj shops in thailand and japan. not necessarily a bad thing. is this for foreigners only or everyone gets the 5-6 baby wipe treatment? she tried to speak some viet to me. even though i don't understand it, i clearly figured out that the girl and guy in the next booth realized she was with a foreigner and laughed at the lesson. the girl asked if my unit was big, and she said around the same as a viet. don't ask me how i figured this out. i'm almost positive of it though. after decades of traveling to dozens of countries, and having a knowledge base in some major language families, i've been able to pick certain stuff out quickly even in new countries. or maybe i'm wrong and she said i hate this, i'd rather work a viet wiener. .

popped her tits out of the top of the shirt. not big, but to me, very close to perfect. amazingly perky, fantastic pink nipples. small but tight ass that i groped, hairy (in a cute) twat. didn't seem too into a finger banging which is fine with me, since i'm there for my pleasure, not hers. really nice bbbj. barely any hands. didn't feel those terrible teeth at all. basically all lips, tongue and suction. long and thorough, didn't complain or try to speed up.

tipped 120, 000 because i launched a massive load with 10+ ropes of the white stuff that she took down no quit all the way to the end. no complaints from her what so ever."thank you, please come again" in terribly accented english. at least she tried. i would return.

the pain in the ass is getting back. no taxis, can't cross the street there. many motos passed me, but none solicited for rides or beeped like they do in district 1. any advice here?

the other pain is that it costs almost half as much to get to the place as it does to "shop" there. moto taxi from district 1 asked 50, 000, talked him down to 35, 000. don't know if this is reasonable or not. finally found a vinasun taxi back after a good 15 minutes in the blazing heat. 90, 000.

220, 000 ( $11) for the service. 125, 000 ( $6) for the taxis.

how many bbbjcim you think each girl does here in a day? any chance of tipping them a little extra to swallow? i wouldn't know how to ask for it anyway, but interested if they would.

re: the dollar. although it seems to be in vogue here on isg, i haven't been quoted prices for anything in dollars here (unlike pp, where 80% of things are quoted in usd). food, drinks, taxis, mototaxis, girls, nothing has been quoted in usd. in fact if i mentioned prices in usd, the people involved usually seemed puzzled and reverted back to dong. easy to convert at generally 20, 000 to 1.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1321408]The other pain is that it costs almost half as much to get to the place as it does to "shop" there. Moto taxi from District 1 asked 50, 000, talked him down to 35, 000. Don't know if this is reasonable or not. Finally found a Vinasun taxi back after a good 15 minutes in the blazing heat. 90, 000.[/QUOTE]Good report, glad you found something to your liking.

For transportation, Bus no. 93 runs from the Bus station on Pham Ngu Lau opposite Hem 353 (check google maps) right to the door of Bennys (4000 VND). You just need to let the driver know when you want to get off.

More difficult on the way back. Best to walk back across the river and get a taxi from there.

Maybe someone can point out where the bus runs on its way back.

I sometimes ended up walking all the way back which can be done in around over 45 minutes.

Will check it out. What time does this place open and close? My Tien is 150, 000 to the house then a tip to the girl?

I have a lot of meetings in Kumho Asiana Building on Le Duan Street, so I frequently stay at the Intercon Hotel. There are so many office girls in that building who are desperately looking to get filled with white man semen. Yesterday is went to the Sushi Bar for lunch and invited my waitress to "rest" in my room during her split shift (she worked lunch and then was off until dinner).

No problem taking a girl back in the afternoon at the Intercon. So we went up to my room and she was so happy to have a hot shower and some TV. Funny little farm girl. I joined her in the shower and ate her stinky hairy pussy until she couldn't take it anymore. Proceeded to the bed where I slayed her muff box bareback for 30 minutes.

We slept together for a bit and then she had to go back to work. But not so fast! I dove on her Twinkie filled box and then slid my cock hound in deep. Drilled that pussy for about 10 minutes. I gave her 5usd, which is enough to buy 5 liters of fuel for her motorbike. I figure it was the least I could do. I also gave her the free tea and coffee packets in my room and some napkins. Then I sent her back to work. Got to feed the family!

I walked by the restaurant later and saw her. She seemed embarrassed.

That's what I call a Cumho in Kumho!

I too got stuck at Ben Ny's my first time there. My taxi left so I had to look for another. I ended up walking back toward HBT. Once you get back across the river motos are easy to find depending on the time of day. After that I decided to drive myself. Especially after going twice in a day I might as well rent a moto and drive. The moto drivers try to spike you when they see where you're going, almost the same as a taxi.

[QUOTE=Bb Creampie; 132153R2]. Got to feed the family! I walked by the restaurant later and saw her. She seemed embarrassed. I kept thinking about all the cum that must have been dripping down her leg while she was working. That what I call a Cumho in Kumho![/QUOTE]Maybe next Time her family is bigger and 5 bucks will not be enough to feed a crying and hungry infant.

For my part, I just have the moto or taxi drop me off around 75. There are a lot of businesses and an alley full of apartments there. Just easier for me than getting dropped off smack in front of a suck shop. Hit Ben Ny again at night, girls wearing frilly black dresses instead of the yellow shirts and shirts during the day. Had a thicker girl, not bad looking, no English. Kept trying Vietnamese talking, just couldn't understand that I couldn't understand. Popped the tits over the top, not bad, like two water balloons. Panties didn't come off, but I don't care. Despite no words being exchanged, a really great suck job. Quick though. Usually I got to zone out or think about something horny or really enjoy the girls body to blow, especially after I've been on a P4P mission over the last few weeks. But she got it out of me lickity split. Maybe 2 minutes. Probably my fastest blow in a decade. And she really had a lot of experience or had a great teacher, she literally milked it until every last drop was out, long past the moment of euphoria, to make sure there were no extra drops. She got every single bit in her mouth. Then again when wiping it off, she gently milked it again to get any last little bit.

120, 000 to the house. 100, 000 tip."Thank you, see you again" in English.

Would have been nice for a longer more drawn out one, especially since I sat in traffic for 30 minutes to get there.

There is an upstairs to this place. Saw a gorgeous girl take a guy in a suit up there. Just more booth's or some other kind of action?

Want to try the place next to it, mentioned here before, but haven't got a confirmation on the price to the house and don't want to overpay or ask when I go in like a noob. Is it 150, 000 to the house?

Hey Dragon, how much did you spend on renting the moto?

I paid $8usd per day for an automatic, rented from my hotel. But I have a line on another place closer to PNL that is only $5-6usd depending on auto or geared.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1321958]Maybe next Time her family is bigger and 5 bucks will not be enough to feed a crying and hungry infant.[/QUOTE]Do you believe any of that crap?

Very obvious troll, would be a lot funnier if he had a basic understanding of what he was trying to take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of though, I. E. That Kumho is a major Korean company with a pronunciation ("geum ho") that sounds nothing like Cum hoe.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22;1322337]I paid $8usd per day for an automatic, rented from my hotel. But I have a line on another place closer to PNL that is only $5-6usd depending on auto or geared.[/QUOTE]You guys are a lot braver than I! The only places I would rent a motorbike in Vietnam is outside of HCMC. Still, I love riding on the back of one with some sexy little thing driving it.

Be safe!

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If one wanted to visit the Korean district shops quoted at 650, 000 where would he direct the taxi? Some kind of address or landmark?

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1322362]Do you believe any of that crap?[/QUOTE]Not really, but some might do, so a word of reality could wake up some guy thinking it is a macho thing to do.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1322692]If one wanted to visit the Korean district shops quoted at 650, 000 where would he direct the taxi? Some kind of address or landmark?[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2661-Ho-Chi-Minh-City-Massage-Parlors&p=1160947&viewfull=1#post1160947[/url]

Try the corner restaurant afterwards. Sit upstairs and have very good seafood served by nice waitresses.

What service can you get at the Hot Toc Le Duyen (or Hot Toc in general?) ,

I saw some really hot girls there.

Thanks

I've been here a short while now and will be for at least three years. I'm yet to have a great experience but I have a feeling they are only around the corner.

Went to Korea town twice. First time managed to probably get the only legit (ish) massage place in the area. Turns out I missed by onedoor. Ba Vi street. Got distracted by the massage sign and went in. 200 for a massage and 200 for an average HJ. Tits out only.

Second time went next door to 12a. Walked in and the mamasan put 700, 000 on the calculator, I shook my head (as I thought I paid her 150 and 500 to the girl directly). She then put 650 000 on the calculator so I paid it. She tried to direct me to a girl but I chose my own.

The place seems quite small as you walk in, counter in front of you and loads of girls sat around. There were three guys that looked Viet who sat on the couches which surprised me as I thought they weren't allowed in. So I chose the girl and followed her upstairs. It is kind of strange as you walk up through what seems like three or four floors of a family house. There was a guy watching TV on the first floor and a family doing washing in there. Made me feel a bit uncomfortable but then I figured it was pretty standard for then, and just unusual for me.

Rooms are basic with a bed and an open shower in the corner. Girl left me to take a shower and then came back in. She appeared quite shy and showered whilst covering herself up. Nice looking chick. I'd say 19, small Viet frame and nice little tits. Hairy Bush. Proceeded for the standard BBBJ and shag in a couple of positions with condom. Bit of snogging mixed in but not a lot.

I finished and then we both showered and off we went. Must have been in and out in 25 minutes or so. I didn't think the girls were particularly hot in there. I'd be interested if any more experienced members want to PM the addresses of the best ones! I rode around quite a bit and I really didn't see the 20+ mentioned previously. I saw 12a, then a few hot toc style places which were open-fronted and didn't have the frosted glass so wasn't sure they were legit or not. Still finding my feet and feel a bit like everyone is staring at me round there. Also only so many times you can drive down Ba Vi and have to do a U-turn and come back.

Other than that not a lot to report. I've some info a which places are good in Quan Hai although prices seem to be higher. Perhaps I am not looking in the right areas. Not been to the BJ cafe's on DBP as it is a bit close to home.

I have one final questions (believe me I've RTFF'd to death) I've heard about Cafe OM's and a few mention on this board and others but I don't really know whether this is an option for Westerners. Can anyone link a report to Cafe OM or Beer OM or explain the set-up.

Happy Mongering one and all.

[QUOTE=Davepuppy; 1325883]... I have one final questions (believe me I've RTFF'd to death) I've heard about Cafe OM's and a few mention on this board and others but I don't really know whether this is an option for Westerners. Can anyone link a report to Cafe OM or Beer OM or explain the set-up.

Happy Mongering one and all.[/QUOTE]I have done pretty much all of the Districts 1, 4, 7, 5, 3 and 10 last year by foot and yet have to recognize one. Would also appreciate some help in this field.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1326122]I have done pretty much all of the Districts 1, 4, 7, 5, 3 and 10 last year by foot and yet have to recognize one. Would also appreciate some help in this field.[/QUOTE]I can say that recently I was in D7 on Lam Van Ben. This street used to be one of the infamous ones for these types of places you guys are after, and I did not see a single cafe that seemed to be one. A few years ago I drove around and spotted quite a few of them. They were cafes that were pretty dark inside, cheap looking chairs/tables and always had potted palm plants outside. But as of about 2 weeks ago, I didn't see a single one on Lam Van Ben.

I've heard the ones up across from Dam Sen park were shut down, that was another well known spot for them, but not sure about that. It's the nature of these things that they get shut down, then pop up again, then get shut down, and so on.

Speaking of which, there were some well known spots for motorbike girls over near the zoo; I went driving past there a few weeks back late at night and spotted absolutely nothing, so I was wondering if that got shut down too.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1326174]...motorbike girls over near the zoo; I went driving past there a few weeks back late at night and spotted absolutely nothing, so I was wondering if that got shut down too.[/QUOTE]I walked that bridge quite a few times on the way to Bennys and haven't spotted any last time I was there (a few days before Tet this year). The year before they were plenty, but all with face masks.

"I have done pretty much all of the Districts 1, 4.7, 5.3 and 10 last year by foot and yet have to recognize one. Would also appreciate some help in this field."

What's your beef against D2! I guess the bridge is a bit of a pain in the ass to go over. I'd say there is stuff here, loads of hot-toc type places particularly on the south-side of D2. There is a few cafes with plants around as you come off the bridge but don't look suspect.

Wendella. Do you know the set-up in the places? I've heard it is for local Viets who have a grab and a feel and maybe get HJ or BJ in the bar. Then off home to the in-laws and cousins and so and so forth.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1326122]I have done pretty much all of the Districts 1, 4, 7, 5, 3 and 10 last year by foot and yet have to recognize one. Would also appreciate some help in this field.[/QUOTE]There are none in those areas try 6, 8, binh tan, go vap etc.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1324629]What service can you get at the Hot Toc Le Duyen (or Hot Toc in general?) ,

I saw some really hot girls there.

Thanks[/QUOTE]You can get a hairwash, a haircut, hair coloring, your nails cut, your ears cleaned, a shoulder rub, etc.

The general rule in VN is (and this goes absolutely in the center of town and strongly but not absolutely in outlying districts) : If it looks from the street like something is happening, then nothing is happening.

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1326490]You can get a hairwash, a haircut, hair coloring, your nails cut, your ears cleaned, a shoulder rub, etc.

The general rule in VN is (and this goes absolutely in the center of town and strongly but not absolutely in outlying districts) : If it looks from the street like something is happening, then nothing is happening.

JD[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with JD. The hotter it looks from the outside the lamer it will be on the inside!

The girls are really nice in their sexy outfit but just there to get you in the door and sell you an overpriced room with a basic massage. But still good eyecandy

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1326490]You can get a hairwash, a haircut, hair coloring, your nails cut, your ears cleaned, a shoulder rub, etc.

The general rule in VN is (and this goes absolutely in the center of town and strongly but not absolutely in outlying districts) : If it looks from the street like something is happening, then nothing is happening.

JD[/QUOTE]I've heard some Hoc Toc's have rooms upstairs for a massage and BJ / HJ.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1326174]Speaking of which, there were some well known spots for motorbike girls over near the zoo; I went driving past there a few weeks back late at night and spotted absolutely nothing, so I was wondering if that got shut down too.[/QUOTE]JD and other experts, this sad loser who posted above is still hoping to hear a definitive answer. ;.)

Seriously, are the motorbike areas near the bridge history now? (not the girls standing ON the bridge, god no, they were awful) This was a scene that would have become active in late hours, around 11pm or so. That is a while after most of the DBP hot tocs are closed.

There were 3 spots there, and one or 2 more not far away.

1. Xo Viet Nghe Tinh street in Binh Thanh district after you crossed the bridge, up a way just before that street meets Ng Van Loc street on the right.

2. Nguyen Thi Minh Khai in District 1 BEFORE the same bridge, a less active spot but still usually had a few driving around.

3. Nguyen Binh Khiem in District 1 on the last blocks before the traffic circle at DBP street. This was also an active spot.

4. In front of Van Thanh market on D1 street (yes that's the name of the street, and I think the D stands for 'duong' which means street, and doesn't stand for 'district'; confusing I know). This was a spot that always had some and in its heydey was about as active as #1 here.

5. Just near Van Thanh, head up DBP until the very end when it goes up over the bridge but go right around that turn to Ng Huu Canh. This spot was always pretty pathetic actually but was always reliably there with a few on offer.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1327255]JD and other experts, this sad loser who posted above is still hoping to hear a definitive answer. ;.)

Seriously, are the motorbike areas near the bridge history now? (not the girls standing ON the bridge, god no, they were awful) This was a scene that would have become active in late hours, around 11pm or so. That is a while after most of the DBP hot tocs are closed.

There were 3 spots there, and one or 2 more not far away.

1. Xo Viet Nghe Tinh street in Binh Thanh district after you crossed the bridge, up a way just before that street meets Ng Van Loc street on the right.

2. Nguyen Thi Minh Khai in District 1 BEFORE the same bridge, a less active spot but still usually had a few driving around.

3. Nguyen Binh Khiem in District 1 on the last blocks before the traffic circle at DBP street. This was also an active spot.

4. In front of Van Thanh market on D1 street (yes that's the name of the street, and I think the D stands for 'duong' which means street, and doesn't stand for 'district'; confusing I know). This was a spot that always had some and in its heydey was about as active as #1 here.

5. Just near Van Thanh, head up DBP until the very end when it goes up over the bridge but go right around that turn to Ng Huu Canh. This spot was always pretty pathetic actually but was always reliably there with a few on offer.[/QUOTE]It seems [b]you[/b] Have the definitive answer to your questions, Wendella.

Anyway, I concur with the above 5 spots you mentioned and offer a few clarifications:

- The 'bridge' you mention in #1 and #2 is Thi Nghe Bridge.

- D1 Street to the local Vietnamese is 'Duong D1'. The 'D' doesn't stand for 'duong', or else it would be 'Duong Duong Mot'. The street could just as well been named F1 or G1.

- The 6th spot for moto-girls would be Nguyen Chi Thanh in Q5 / Q10.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Raverboy; 1327305]It seems [b]you[/b] Have the definitive answer to your questions, Wendella.

Anyway, I concur with the above 5 spots you mentioned and offer a few clarifications:

- The 'bridge' you mention in #1 and #2 is Thi Nghe Bridge.

- D1 Street to the local Vietnamese is 'Duong D1'. The 'D' doesn't stand for 'duong', or else it would be 'Duong Duong Mot'. The street could just as well been named F1 or G1.

- The 6th spot for moto-girls would be Nguyen Chi Thanh in Q5 / Q10.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Well that Wendella fella was actually asking if those spots are still going or not. Have you been to them recently? Are they still going?

I was just listing the ones near the bridge, I did know there's a few others around town.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1327314]Well that Wendella fella was actually asking if those spots are still going or not. Have you been to them recently? Are they still going?

I was just listing the ones near the bridge, I did know there's a few others around town.[/QUOTE]Well if we werent having such marvellous weather here in Saigon, perhaps I would have been inclined to go out on my motorbike for a cross-town recce. Thats Q1, Q5, Q10, Q Binh Thanh. Just for that Wendella fella. .

Anyway I doubt the mobile naughty girl crew would risk having all that mascara run in this weather.

I just returned home for my first trip to Vietnam, and I have to say I had a fantastic time. After researching a bit here I honestly wasn't expecting to have much fun, mostly due to my own preferences vs. The available options I've learned about here. You see, I abhor "girl bars" (or billiard bars as they seem to be called in Saigon). My strong preference is for a "regular" bar where there are working girls available for chatting, flirting, dancing, and extracurricular activities as desired. I am apparently the outlier, not only amoung the HCMC forum but most other forums I read. The norm in Asia seems to be massage, KTV, and girls bars. I was staying at the Sheraton and I knew there were a couple billiard bars right around the corner, but I also knew Apocalypse Now was just a couple blocks away, so around 11 PM on my first night in town I headed there for a couple quiet beers. I wasn't expecting much, and as I'd been flying some 20+ hours from the US with barely more than a couple cat naps on the plane, I was planning mostly a reconnaissance mission. I thought Apocalypse now would be a nightclub with the odd loner WG.

And I was VERY pleasantly surprised when I walked in and realized 90% of the girls were working, and of those 90% I'd say at least 75% were B+ in my book! Wow wow wow! I was in heaven. Fueled by possibilities and Tiger Crystal, my reconnaissance mission quickly turned into a full on offensive assault, and before long I was chatting up a tall, thin hottie and miraculously finding my second wind after a long day of travelling. The hottie and I eventually left for another bar nearby, and then back to the Sheraton where I really tried my best to test the strict policies about guests. And of course failed miserably. I even tried to bribe the doorman with a few hundred thousand VND, but no go, no how. Hottie suggested we meet the next day instead of going to an ST hotel, and since I was tired I agreed. But. Somehow. When I got up to my room, I decided to turn around and head back out, back to Apocalypse.

Of course hottie was there, and she gave me a frown and feigned a hurt, surprised look. I returned the gestures and migrated elsewhere in the bar, actually stalking a girl I saw get out of a taxi just as I was coming back in. Within 20 minutes she and I were tearing it up in a nearby hotel, and while she wasn't quite the beauty that hottie #1 was, her service was absolutely outstanding. In fact, I took her for another round a couple days later, when she even topped the first night's performance.

The rest of the trip was more of the same, and with only one exception I wasn't disappointed AT ALL. The exception wasn't even that much of a disappointment; compared to some other experiences I've had elsewhere she was in fact just fine. But when compared to the rest of the girls I met in Saigon, she was a bit sub-par. She was older, harder, and more battle-worn. And to be honest that's what attracted me because (also contrary to most of the forum) I tend to prefer a trashy MILF to a PYT! But in Saigon the PYTs proved a better choice.

In addition to Apocalypse, I checked out Go2Bar one night and was disappointed. It's hard to put my finger on it, but something about it just felt off to me. The crowd was a bit grungier, and I'm not sure but I think a couple guys were trying to pull some kind of robbery or scam on me, continually asking me if I wanted to go to another nearby bar with them. It wasn't my first rodeo so I got rid of them pretty easily, but the whole place just didn't sit well and they were part of the reason. I actually went there with a different girl I met at Apocalypse, after a lovely ST romp with her. By the time we'd finished it was probably 2:00 AM, and by that point in the trip I realized Go2Bar was where the party moved after Apocalypse died down. I asked her if she was going there and if she would take me, so she agreed and rode me there on her scooter. I was hoping to find another new friend for a second round but ended up back at the same ST hotel with the same girl. Who then rode me back to the Sheraton at around 6:00 AM!

All in all I had a fantastic time; Apocalypse is just the kind of bar I like with a very low-key atmosphere, relatively cheap beers, and a good selection of independents. The only night it was disappointing was the last night I was in town. Sunday. It seemed to be more of a locals night, with far fewer girls working and a lot more mixed groups of girls and guys coming in together, and staking claims on tables in big groups.

Overall great trip, and if there are any other readers out there like me who aren't big fans of massage places or girls' bars, don't worry. Saigon is great fun!

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1328662]I just returned home for my first trip to Vietnam, and I have to say I had a fantastic time. ...[/QUOTE]Nice report, thanks. How much did you pay them on average?

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1328689]Nice report, thanks. How much did you pay them on average?[/QUOTE]All the same. 100 US or 2, 000, 000 VND, they pay the hotel. On the first night the girl must have liked me or it must have been late because I negotiated her down to 80 US, hotel on her. When I saw her again a few nights later we didn't discuss price, I just paid her 100.

The only one who wanted more I didn't mention in my report. She was a drop-dead gorgeous little spinner with perfect hint of thickness to her ass, a micro mini-skirt, and sky-high heels who I ran into on my last night as I was heading back to the Sheraton after striking out at Apocalypse. She was standing outside the hotel and had been hanging out in the nightclub there (so yes, there are WG at Level 23 nightclub!). She opened with 200 US, but didn't put up much of a fight about price and was in a taxi with me for the usual 100 all-in within about two minutes.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz; 1328726]All the same. 100 US or 2, 000, 000 VND, they pay the hotel. On the first night the girl must have liked me or it must have been late because I negotiated her down to 80 US, hotel on her. When I saw her again a few nights later we didn't discuss price, I just paid her 100.

The only one who wanted more I didn't mention in my report. She was a drop-dead gorgeous little spinner with perfect hint of thickness to her ass, a micro mini-skirt, and sky-high heels who I ran into on my last night as I was heading back to the Sheraton after striking out at Apocalypse. She was standing outside the hotel and had been hanging out in the nightclub there (so yes, there are WG at Level 23 nightclub!). She opened with 200 US, but didn't put up much of a fight about price and was in a taxi with me for the usual 100 all-in within about two minutes.[/QUOTE]Ok I'm not surprised. But I learned a bit today as I intended to write back considering if that is really mongering and looked the word up in the urban dicxtionary: A person who is actively researching and on the prowl for sexual intercourse with a professional or otherwise. This mostly happens away from home in a foreign Country or City, but can happen right in your own town. Means, I had a wrong understanding of mongering, thought its more like a sport to get best deals not just go shopping for whatever price. Anyhow, glad you enjoyed your trip and thanks for the contribution to keep the market prices way up (not blaming you, it is your money and you may be a rich folk that fits well to these girls that are all after the $$$$$). You can get a Vietnamese even in Singapore for 100US without even bargaining and there she has to pay for the trip her living ++ so might get an idea what the local rates are or check in some of the reports. Well at least you are very right that Apo and Go2 are the places and that is well known and even reflected in the lonely planet.

Enough of it for now, sorry. For me the beauty of this country are those jewels not after your money and really interested and dedicated to a good time. Admittingly this takes much more efforts and time so you made the right choice, just wondering why you need to fly that far for it.

Happy hunting (and sorry don't want to brag too much as many of the girls do read this forum)

[QUOTE=Jsxyz; 1328662]I just returned home for my first trip to Vietnam, and I have to say I had a fantastic time. After researching a bit here I honestly wasn't expecting to have much fun, mostly due to my own preferences vs. The available options I've learned about here. You see, I abhor "girl bars" (or billiard bars as they seem to be called in Saigon). My strong preference is for a "regular" bar where there are working girls available for chatting, flirting, dancing, and extracurricular activities as desired. I am apparently the outlier, not only amoung the HCMC forum but most other forums I read. The norm in Asia seems to be massage, KTV, and girls bars. I was staying at the Sheraton and I knew there were a couple billiard bars right around the corner, but I also knew Apocalypse Now was just a couple blocks away, so around 11 PM on my first night in town I headed there for a couple quiet beers. I wasn't expecting much, and as I'd been flying some 20+ hours from the US with barely more than a couple cat naps on the plane, I was planning mostly a reconnaissance mission. I thought Apocalypse now would be a nightclub with the odd loner WG.

And I was VERY pleasantly surprised when I walked in and realized 90% of the girls were working, and of those 90% I'd say at least 75% were B+ in my book! Wow wow wow! I was in heaven. Fueled by possibilities and Tiger Crystal, my reconnaissance mission quickly turned into a full on offensive assault, and before long I was chatting up a tall, thin hottie and miraculously finding my second wind after a long day of travelling. The hottie and I eventually left for another bar nearby, and then back to the Sheraton where I really tried my best to test the strict policies about guests. And of course failed miserably. I even tried to bribe the doorman with a few hundred thousand VND, but no go, no how. Hottie suggested we meet the next day instead of going to an ST hotel, and since I was tired I agreed. But. Somehow. When I got up to my room, I decided to turn around and head back out, back to Apocalypse.

Of course hottie was there, and she gave me a frown and feigned a hurt, surprised look. I returned the gestures and migrated elsewhere in the bar, actually stalking a girl I saw get out of a taxi just as I was coming back in. Within 20 minutes she and I were tearing it up in a nearby hotel, and while she wasn't quite the beauty that hottie #1 was, her service was absolutely outstanding. In fact, I took her for another round a couple days later, when she even topped the first night's performance.

The rest of the trip was more of the same, and with only one exception I wasn't disappointed AT ALL. The exception wasn't even that much of a disappointment; compared to some other experiences I've had elsewhere she was in fact just fine. But when compared to the rest of the girls I met in Saigon, she was a bit sub-par. She was older, harder, and more battle-worn. And to be honest that's what attracted me because (also contrary to most of the forum) I tend to prefer a trashy MILF to a PYT! But in Saigon the PYTs proved a better choice.

In addition to Apocalypse, I checked out Go2Bar one night and was disappointed. It's hard to put my finger on it, but something about it just felt off to me. The crowd was a bit grungier, and I'm not sure but I think a couple guys were trying to pull some kind of robbery or scam on me, continually asking me if I wanted to go to another nearby bar with them. It wasn't my first rodeo so I got rid of them pretty easily, but the whole place just didn't sit well and they were part of the reason. I actually went there with a different girl I met at Apocalypse, after a lovely ST romp with her. By the time we'd finished it was probably 2:00 AM, and by that point in the trip I realized Go2Bar was where the party moved after Apocalypse died down. I asked her if she was going there and if she would take me, so she agreed and rode me there on her scooter. I was hoping to find another new friend for a second round but ended up back at the same ST hotel with the same girl. Who then rode me back to the Sheraton at around 6:00 AM!

All in all I had a fantastic time; Apocalypse is just the kind of bar I like with a very low-key atmosphere, relatively cheap beers, and a good selection of independents. The only night it was disappointing was the last night I was in town. Sunday. It seemed to be more of a locals night, with far fewer girls working and a lot more mixed groups of girls and guys coming in together, and staking claims on tables in big groups.

Overall great trip, and if there are any other readers out there like me who aren't big fans of massage places or girls' bars, don't worry. Saigon is great fun![/QUOTE]Great Report Jsxyz! I'm there on the 1st October. Can't wait to try out the ladies there.

I'm in HCM in October. Does anyone know if the A&them hotels are girl friendly?

[QUOTE=Ajashi;1329241]Anyhow, glad you enjoyed your trip and thanks for the contribution to keep the market prices way up (not blaming you, it is your money and you may be a rich folk that fits well to these girls that are all after the $$$$$).[/QUOTE]I'm not sure that point is fair. My research here indicated that billiard bar girls go for maybe 1, 500, 000 (bar fine + girl) , plus hotel. While I am not knocking anyone's preferences, the bar girls I saw in the billiard bars were not really in the same category IMO as the independents in Apocalypse (and especially the gorgeous spinner I met my last night in town). Bargaining isn't part of the fun for me; what's fun for me is drinking, flirting, chatting them up, and then having great sex which, if I've done the first parts right, is based at least a little bit on more than the money that's changing hands. Although believe me. I have no illusions. They're ALL after the $$$$.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1329380]I'm not sure that point is fair. My research here indicated that billiard bar girls go for maybe 1, 500, 000 (bar fine + girl) , plus hotel. While I am not knocking anyone's preferences, the bar girls I saw in the billiard bars were not really in the same category IMO as the independents in Apocalypse (and especially the gorgeous spinner I met my last night in town). Bargaining isn't part of the fun for me; what's fun for me is drinking, flirting, chatting them up, and then having great sex which, if I've done the first parts right, is based at least a little bit on more than the money that's changing hands. Although believe me. I have no illusions. They're ALL after the $$$$.[/QUOTE]I had no problems finding girls for all night for 1 mio. I haven't been in Apo though and the HBT bars are more expensive. 2 mio. is probably not much overpaying there, but on the expensive end.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1329514]I had no problems finding girls for all night for 1 mio. I haven't been in Apo though and the HBT bars are more expensive. 2 mio. is probably not much overpaying there, but on the expensive end.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's what I meant. It's the venue. 2 MM ST would of course be overpaying and driving up the prices in one of the billiard bars. But at the Apocolypse and Go2Bar, that seemed to be the norm. BTW where did you find LT for 1MM? Not that LT would have done me any good staying at the Sheraton. I usually do LT when I am in China or HK since it's no problem to bring girls back to your hotel, but now, after this trip, I'm re-thinking that strategy. Aside from one memorable Mongolian MILF I met in Beijing a couple years ago, LT hasn't usually been worth it.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1329645]Yeah, that's what I meant. It's the venue. 2 MM ST would of course be overpaying and driving up the prices in one of the billiard bars. But at the Apocolypse and Go2Bar, that seemed to be the norm. BTW where did you find LT for 1MM? Not that LT would have done me any good staying at the Sheraton. I usually do LT when I am in China or HK since it's no problem to bring girls back to your hotel, but now, after this trip, I'm re-thinking that strategy. Aside from one memorable Mongolian MILF I met in Beijing a couple years ago, LT hasn't usually been worth it.[/QUOTE]It all depends. I usually stay in the cheaper hotels (20-30$) in the PNL area where bringing a girl is no issue. If I get the chemistry up LT is fine. If not I am not interested. For a quick fix I go to Bennys or places alike.

This is my first trip to Vietnam just for the weekend.

Can fellow mongers recommend which of the following hotel is near to ACTION:

Sheraton Hanoi Hotel.

Sheraton Saigon Hotel & Towers.

Sheraton Nha Trang Hotel & Spa.

Many Thanks,

MM

[QUOTE=Micky Mouse; 1330387]This is my first trip to Vietnam just for the weekend.

Can fellow mongers recommend which of the following hotel is near to ACTION:

Sheraton Hanoi Hotel.

Sheraton Saigon Hotel & Towers.

Sheraton Nha Trang Hotel & Spa.

Many Thanks,

MM[/QUOTE]Sheraton Hanoi is in Hanoi, which is a different city, so you can probably scratch that one off your list. I stayed at the Sheraton Towers. It's two blocks away from Apocalypse Now, and there are at least two billiard bars even closer, right around the corner on Dong Khoi Street. There are also numerous massage places, including directly across the street from the hotel. Overall I guess you can say it's very close to "action", but there might be better choices depending on what type of "action" you're looking for (massa

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1330416]Sheraton Hanoi is in Hanoi, which is a different city, so you can probably scratch that one off your list. I stayed at the Sheraton Towers. It's two blocks away from Apocalypse Now, and there are at least two billiard bars even closer, right around the corner on Dong Khoi Street. There are also numerous massage places, including directly across the street from the hotel. Overall I guess you can say it's very close to "action", but there might be better choices depending on what type of "action" you're looking for (massa[/QUOTE]Sheraton Nha Trang is also a different city, about 3 hours driving from Saigon. If you go there I recommend you fly because the roads in Vietnam are horrible. Nha Trang is a beautiful resort area. It hosted the Miss Universe pageant a few years back. There are MPs there but little action. It is a popular tourist destination. The Beach Club there has some action but not much. I recommend you stay in Saigon for action.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1330435]Sheraton Nha Trang is also a different city, about 3 hours driving from Saigon. If you go there I recommend you fly because the roads in Vietnam are horrible. Nha Trang is a beautiful resort area. It hosted the Miss Universe pageant a few years back. There are MPs there but little action. It is a popular tourist destination. The Beach Club there has some action but not much. I recommend you stay in Saigon for action.[/QUOTE]3 hours Saigon to Nha Trang? No way.

Saigon for sure.

Can fellow mongers recommend which of the following hotel is near to ACTION:

Sheraton Hanoi Hotel.

Sheraton Saigon Hotel & Towers.

Sheraton Nha Trang Hotel & Spa.

Mickey Mouse, you already posted this same question in the Hotels thread, which is where it belongs. Posting a hotel question in General here is boo boo #1. Posting the same exact question (copy / paste) in 2 different threads is boo boo #2. With over 100 posts on the forum, these are the kinds of things that shouldn't need to be pointed out. Newbies do this kind of thing.

Anyway, not a huge deal. Nothing personal.

[QUOTE=Raverboy; 1327758]Well if we werent having such marvellous weather here in Saigon, perhaps I would have been inclined to go out on my motorbike for a cross-town recce. Thats Q1, Q5, Q10, Q Binh Thanh. Just for that Wendella fella. .

Anyway I doubt the mobile naughty girl crew would risk having all that mascara run in this weather.[/QUOTE]Looks like the rain has stopped. ;.)

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1330604]3 hours Saigon to Nha Trang? No way.[/QUOTE]What is it then?

HI Wendella.

My bad,

I just want an analysis of action before my 2 day visit.

I am in for full game. Full service massage parlous or body to body massage.

Can you please recommend any joints near Sheraton Saigon Hotel & Towers.

Many Thanks.

MM.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1330725]Mickey Mouse, you already posted this same question in the Hotels thread, which is where it belongs. Posting a hotel question in General here is boo boo #1. Posting the same exact question (copy / paste) in 2 different threads is boo boo #2. With over 100 posts on the forum, these are the kinds of things that shouldn't need to be pointed out. Newbies do this kind of thing.

Anyway, not a huge deal. Nothing personal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=D Cups;1330781]What is it then?[/QUOTE]Check: howfarisit. Com.

Its about 200 miles

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1330725]Mickey Mouse, you already posted this same question in the Hotels thread, which is where it belongs. Posting a hotel question in General here is boo boo #1. Posting the same exact question (copy / paste) in 2 different threads is boo boo #2. With over 100 posts on the forum, these are the kinds of things that shouldn't need to be pointed out. Newbies do this kind of thing.

Anyway, not a huge deal. Nothing personal.[/QUOTE]He saw your post, replied to it, and at the same time went on to double post about MP places near his hotel here and in the MP thread.

Feel more personal now? Ha.

Joking aside, I do understand sometimes wanting to put special topic questions in the 'general info' thread with its higher traffic.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1330781]What is it then?[/QUOTE]According to the directions calculator of google maps it is 440 km. The bus needs something close to 9 hours if I remember well.

[QUOTE=CJsweats; 1331196]He saw your post, replied to it, and at the same time went on to double post about MP places near his hotel here and in the MP thread. Feel more personal now? Ha.

Joking aside, I do understand sometimes wanting to put special topic questions in the 'general info' thread with its higher traffic.[/QUOTE]I do get why someone would do it. And I can kind of understand a special case where the guy is showing up very soon and needs an answer quickly. On the other hand, there is everyone else to give some consideration to. Other members (who check in regularly in the Vietnam section) go to the main VN page and see that there were 3 new posts today in the different Vietnam threads, then they go in to each of those and discover that 2 of them are the same post by the same guy, just duplicate posts in different threads, and they think "Grrrrr". Anytime you double post your question, that's the reaction you will get from the regulars. Also, if everyone did the same as he does, then the forum would be extremely tedious to read. It's just bad form. The question starts to seem like spam.

[QUOTE=Micky Mouse;1330813]HI Wendella. My bad, I just want an analysis of action before my 2 day visit. I am in for full game. Full service massage parlous or body to body massage. Can you please recommend any joints near Sheraton Saigon Hotel & Towers. Many Thanks. MM.[/QUOTE]Massage places are not my area of expertise. There's lots of the 'billiard bars' near your hotel in HCMC. It would make a lot more sense to post your question about the Hanoi hotel for example in a Hanoi thread since the guys here who are in Hanoi are generally not in HCMC and vice versa.

Like I said, about three hours.

[QUOTE=Full Count; 1330932]Check: howfarisit. Com.

Its about 200 miles[/QUOTE]

Try 8 hours on a bus or a train. 6.7 hours in private car. 45 minutes on a plane.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1332052]Like I said, about three hours.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the correction, Whisper.

[QUOTE=Whisper1;1332131]Try 8 hours on a bus or a train. 6.7 hours in private car. 45 minutes on a plane.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1327314]Well that Wendella fella was actually asking if those spots are still going or not. Have you been to them recently? Are they still going?

I was just listing the ones near the bridge, I did know there's a few others around town.[/QUOTE]Nct still operating but they fat old and ugly, better option is NQ but they charge 400 with rushed service so better just ko to the brothels.

I know you guys reading HCM forum must be curious why there is so hard to find a girl for fucking nowadays.

For those able to get one will find it is expensive comparing to Cambodia, laos and even Thailand.

And the vietnamese touts will try to overcharge you everytime (In fact they are not overcharging, because the cost acquiring a pussy there is that expensive and that covert for local.)

Most vietnamese hotels are not girl friendly too. Smell danger?

Yes, your sixth sense is correct. In Vietnam, there is a special agency dealing with drugs and prostitutes. They enforce the law strictlty because vietnamese government doesn't want their country becomes cheap in image. (I don't think fucking is cheap at all, and I don't think Thailand is cheap either)

In past few years, vietnam economy is very strong & bubble. The land price of HCM strategic location past paris, new york, and tokyo in extreme case. They don't need and don't want girls to earn USD for central bank. They have a lot FDI.

But nowadays, the tide shows some sign to change.

[url]http://eyedrd.org/2012/09/vietnamese-officials-debate-about-legalization-of-prostitution.html[/url]

"Actually, the National Assembly is discussing prostitution legalization. We should recognize it as a 'job' with public and specific rules to better manage it."

The discussion is due to vietnam is suffering economy disorder now.

Due to the strict law environment, the p4p scene is very hard to be accessed by foreigner, is limited and the vietnamese girls evengo to Cambodia for work.

So save time and energy to find p4p in Vietnam, go neighbour, go Cambodia, go laos, go philippine. Phnom Penh is still considered ccheap, ST in vientiane is 1000 baht excluding room. 300k kips including room for one hour, in angeles city. 1800-3000 overnight is still plenty. 1300peso st is not a problem there. Manila freelance is not bad while the cost is slightly higher than that of Phnom Penh.

In Malaysia. 40USD to fuck vietnamese for 1 hour. In Phnom Penh, it is about 30USD. If someone likes to be duped, they can go HCM to have fun.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1332313]Nct still operating but they fat old and ugly, better option is NQ but they charge 400 with rushed service so better just ko to the brothels.[/QUOTE]. What is NQ? Not sure I heard of that one.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1333839]. What is NQ? Not sure I heard of that one.[/QUOTE]Ah ok, NQ, got it. One of those street names that I never remember.

Question: there are lots of cafes all over in that D5 and D10 area on certain streets: Vinh Vien, Hoa Hao, Su Van Hanh, etc. They all have plenty of hot hostess / waitresses in skimpy outfits serving customers and often sitting with them. My question: if you visit one of these places and one of these girls sits with you and is friendly and fun, what's the expected tip, about?

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1334654]Ah ok, NQ, got it. One of those street names that I never remember.

Question: there are lots of cafes all over in that D5 and D10 area on certain streets: Vinh Vien, Hoa Hao, Su Van Hanh, etc. They all have plenty of hot hostess / waitresses in skimpy outfits serving customers and often sitting with them. My question: if you visit one of these places and one of these girls sits with you and is friendly and fun, what's the expected tip, about?[/QUOTE]I tipp them the cost of the coffee or about 25k as I give a 50k, ie 20-25k depend on the drink. Obviousbly if you think you have a chance with the girls you can tip up to 100-200k which I have seen done numerously. But I doint have the patience to chase these girls. I find diamonds in the ruff

Hi,

First time in Hoh Chi Minh, staying at the renaissance, any tips for action around here or get a girl up to the room?

[QUOTE=Wendella;1333839]. What is NQ? Not sure I heard of that one.[/QUOTE]Ngo Quyen. District 10

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1334692]I tipp them the cost of the coffee or about 25k as I give a 50k, ie 20-25k depend on the drink. Obviousbly if you think you have a chance with the girls you can tip up to 100-200k which I have seen done numerously. But I doint have the patience to chase these girls. I find diamonds in the ruff[/QUOTE]Ah ok, I tipped 50 the first time and the girl, who'd been very cozy and touchy, and totally approached me, and was fairly hot, she seemed surprised I was giving her a tip at all. So I left feeling like either that was not how it's done there or else that my tip was too high. But from what you say, its totally in line with what should be expected. I was there again today and left 30 this time.

I will be in Ho Chi in a week any advice places?

Hi there. Enjoy your visit.

Some advice. Only get in Vinasun or Malinh taxis including at the airport. Don't assume traffic respects one-way streets. Smile a lot when you meet people.

[QUOTE=AJackelBoy;1337744]I will be in Ho Chi in a week any advice places?[/QUOTE]

Thanks to the all the reports here I've had some fun at the obvious places like Ben Ny and in K-Town but also found these to be somewhat mechanical experiences. I haven't hit up any of the HBT billiard bars mainly because it seems kind of ridiculous to me to pay those prices in Vietnam unless you're only here for a short time and confined to D1.

I've also heard from a lot of people that it's very easy to meet "normal" girls here both in person and especially online on sites like VietnamCupid or Tagged. And it does seem to be very easy to fill up your calendar with dates this way but so far all the girls I've met this way seem to be interested only in finding a serious boyfriend and getting them anywhere near bed is actually more work than was back in the good old USA The younger ones in particular seem to always live with their families and are subject to fairly strict supervision. I imagine they'd be pretty willing if I was willing to give them the impression that I wanted to play boyfriend with them but I feel bad misleading them like that.

So is there some trick I'm missing here or are these hunting grounds just not as rosy as some claim? I'd like to meet some <30 girls looking to make a little extra money on the side without a lot of relationship pressure.

D1 Priceing.

Cafe sua the at the cofffe club, NYC or window 4 etc type shops-long time since I been but I'm guessing 50-60K get a coffee and full stop.

D10 / D5 local pricing.

Now you get cafe sua the BTW 25k. 39k. 39k was the highest I have seen and the shop had ugly girls tho they were busty and long legged. But lets say the median is 30k for a young pretty girls to sit and chat with you maybe some innocent touching. Possible to court but ultimately a waste of time unless you invest time and or efforts.

Very local pricing. Edge of HCMC.

100k gets me 1 bottle of water, a 22yrs old girls who would look very passable if she were to wear makeup but still very cute to BBBJ cim with me fingering her deeping and massaging her tits, then afterwards I visited the now hard to find HJ cafe om. Where I got a sting sat wiuth a busty see cup 20yr (who could easily work at a cafe in d5 / d10) old who spent the first 15min touching me and finally when she touched my penis from outside my shorts she finally decided to sit on my lap, next I was fingering her wet pussy, sucking on her nipples and french kissing, she then unzipped me and gave me a HJ but because I had cum before ididnt release. Over all the drink was 28k and I tipped 50k, I wanted to test the maket maybe next time ill just give aeven 100k, but the way I see it a girl giving a BBBJ cim deserves more than a girl giving me a HJ, I try to be fair kekek. She had also just come up to hcmc only 4 months. Thats not my dream thats my reality.

Anyway just a comparison for you guys who want to hang around d1

[QUOTE=Mokibap; 1339887]Thanks to the all the reports here I've had some fun at the obvious places like Ben Ny and in K-Town but also found these to be somewhat mechanical experiences. I haven't hit up any of the HBT billiard bars mainly because it seems kind of ridiculous to me to pay those prices in Vietnam unless you're only here for a short time and confined to D1.

I've also heard from a lot of people that it's very easy to meet "normal" girls here both in person and especially online on sites like VietnamCupid or Tagged. And it does seem to be very easy to fill up your calendar with dates this way but so far all the girls I've met this way seem to be interested only in finding a serious boyfriend and getting them anywhere near bed is actually more work than was back in the good old USA The younger ones in particular seem to always live with their families and are subject to fairly strict supervision. I imagine they'd be pretty willing if I was willing to give them the impression that I wanted to play boyfriend with them but I feel bad misleading them like that.

So is there some trick I'm missing here or are these hunting grounds just not as rosy as some claim? I'd like to meet some <30 girls looking to make a little extra money on the side without a lot of relationship pressure.[/QUOTE]You are not going to find much of this semi-pro as you would in Thailand or the PI. Your best best is girls, students whose families remain in the countryside or another province while the girl comes to the city to work or study. Also, there are big employment centers around town hiring for factories and other jobs and there are lots of women around there, often around the street to eat fast street food. Places like that have been happy hunting grounds for me several times.

JD

Thanks for the info JD. That makes sense.

It's not so easy living here sometimes seeing so many beautiful girls every day that are out of reach. Much easier in this respect to be in the West where so few women are worth noticing.

Hanoi was much worse in this respect though, in my limited experience, so I guess I should be happy to be down here.

There are semi-pro ish girls on tagged. If you play the chatting up game, where are you from, what do you like doing, will you teach me Vietnamese etc then you will end up with girls who want to date you. If you are a resonably good looking guy then most of these chicks will go to bed with you after 3-4 dates but only if they think they are the only one and you will be hanging around for a while.

My advice is to simply message on tagged saying you are looking for a girl to hang out with will be a friend with benefits, most will act shocked and might ignore you. You will find a semi-pro though in the end.

Sounds like my experience with online dating here exactly. Very easy to meet girls that want to chat for hours online, go to movies, and dinners, and nothing more unless they think you're up for a real relationship. I know some people here that get a lot of girls like this into bed and then blow them off but that's just too much drama for me.

Better to do as you suggest I think and offend them up front if necessary to weed them out.

What are the current pricing on Ba Vi? Is it still 125,000 and 500,000?

[QUOTE=TenSamurais;1344033]What are the current pricing on Ba Vi? Is it still 125,000 and 500,000?[/QUOTE]

It's VND 150,000 and VND 500,000. It was never VND 125,000 to the house, price went up from VND 100,000 about a year back.

[QUOTE=Mokibap; 1341194]Sounds like my experience with online dating here exactly. Very easy to meet girls that want to chat for hours online, go to movies, and dinners, and nothing more unless they think you're up for a real relationship. I know some people here that get a lot of girls like this into bed and then blow them off but that's just too much drama for me.

Better to do as you suggest I think and offend them up front if necessary to weed them out.[/QUOTE]So Vietnam is not like the Philippines where it's easy to get many girls into your bed.

Is it one of the worst country in Asia to get non-pros in your bed?

Is Vietnam like Malesia for that?

I

I don't have an answer to your question. However, mongering is so cheap over there, compared to the USA, why go through so much effort. There will be definitely some deceit and deception on your part in order to get what you want. On the other hand, getting laid can be done for less than $50.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely upsides with having sex with a non-pro. However, being Vietnamese myself, I know how Viet girls are, some are nice, while many are very tough as nails. Your "free" sex might turn into something you will regret. There's definitely downsides hooking up with a non-pro.

[QUOTE=Volpone; 1344187]So Vietnam is not like the Philippines where it's easy to get many girls into your bed.

Is it one of the worst country in Asia to get non-pros in your bed?

Is Vietnam like Malesia for that?

I[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TenSamurais; 1344370]I don't have an answer to your question. However, mongering is so cheap over there, compared to the USA, why go through so much effort. There will be definitely some deceit and deception on your part in order to get what you want. On the other hand, getting laid can be done for less than $50.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely upsides with having sex with a non-pro. However, being Vietnamese myself, I know how Viet girls are, some are nice, while many are very tough as nails. Your "free" sex might turn into something you will regret. There's definitely downsides hooking up with a non-pro.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot TenSamurais for your answer.

You say "so cheap over there, compared to the USA", Yes surely cheaper than the USA, but for those, who doesn't speak Vietnamese seem usually to pay more than locals and they usually don't know where to go and follow the indications of someone they meet in the street.

I think Non pros in the Philippines are the easiest girls to get into bed and Vietnames non-pros seem to be tough to get into bed.

It seems that in Saigon, it's pretty easy to find massage places. What about Hanoi? Would it be the same?

[QUOTE=TenSamurais;1344370]Don't get me wrong, there are definitely upsides with having sex with a non-pro. However, being Vietnamese myself, I know how Viet girls are, some are nice, while many are very tough as nails. Your "free" sex might turn into something you will regret. There's definitely downsides hooking up with a non-pro.[/QUOTE]I'm coming over to your point of view. Better to keep things on a strictly commercial basis right from the beginning and avoid later drama. Unless your time is worthless or you just enjoy the sport enough to tolerate the considerable risks maybe it's better to just throw down the 500k to 1000k.

Although I have to concur with the forum consensus that either way Vietnam is just a pretty poor mongering destination compared to its neighbors.

Hey,

My buddy and I are visiting vietnam in December and was wonder if anyone else is visiting in December as well, we can meet up to have better experiences. Also hoping to hang out with some local expats and seeking some guides on where to go for bars, girls, mp's and such. If it helps at all, I speak fluent vietnamese.

[QUOTE=KnightsOfShame; 1345631]Hey,

My buddy and I are visiting vietnam in December and was wonder if anyone else is visiting in December as well, we can meet up to have better experiences. Also hoping to hang out with some local expats and seeking some guides on where to go for bars, girls, mp's and such. If it helps at all, I speak fluent vietnamese.[/QUOTE]Hi me and my buddy also will be visiting Saigon in mid of DEC hope able to meet up.

[QUOTE=Rikuto;1346128]Hi me and my buddy also will be visiting Saigon in mid of DEC hope able to meet up.[/QUOTE]Hello Y'all, I'm a Yank & going back to HCMC on Dec 1 for three weeks, Of course I'll stay at the Liberty 3 for a few days and then move around some. I'll do a couple day trips to Tay Ninh and DaNang but mostly I'll stay in District 1. Man I can't wait, let's meet up for some beers and I'll bore you to tears with war stories. PM me.

I'll be in HCMC with a buddy on Dec 3rd. Is it against forum policy to post phone numbers in posts? If it's okay, I will be posting our cell phone numbers when we arrive in HCMC. Would like to hang out with local expats and experts with knowledge of mp, hot tocs, bars, clubs, etc. Beers on us for your company. Also I'd like to figure out how to go about moving to Vietnam to live for a few years.

[QUOTE=KnightsOfShame;1349822]I'll be in HCMC with a buddy on dec 3rd. Is it against forum policy to post phone numbers in posts? If it's okay, I will be posting our cell phone numbers when we arrive in hcmc. Would like to hang out with local expats and experts with knowledge of mp, hot tocs, bars, clubs, etc. Beers on us for your company. Also I'd like to figure out how to go about moving to vietnam to live for a few years.[/QUOTE]You need to get pm or use another sex forum to contact. Its worthwhile getting a membership for the costs anyway otherwise you need to be sneaky. As emails phone numbers not permited on the thread.

[QUOTE=Slick72;1346579]Hello Y'all, I'm a Yank & going back to HCMC on Dec 1 for three weeks, Of course I'll stay at the Liberty 3 for a few days and then move around some. I'll do a couple day trips to Tay Ninh and DaNang but mostly I'll stay in District 1. Man I can't wait, let's meet up for some beers and I'll bore you to tears with war stories. PM me.[/QUOTE]When you will be free my my flight is 17 of DEC around 8 should arrive. Pm your viet number to me then We contact and meet up, I love war stories and girls too haha cheerio hope to meet you soon.

KTV FR 3 of them.

Intro a group of 4 newbies to Tran Binh Trong bia om. The gal looked 6 to 7 out of 10. I joined them after they finished 1 carton of heineken. Total had 3 cartons and bill came to 3. 4mil for 4 hours. So quite reasonable. One 18yr old came around 7pm dressed in 2 pc suit. She was like a school girl but she claimed she worked in retail and part time bia om. She don't go out. The rest willing to go out with price tag of 3mil.

In summary not sure if the bill included fruits or what but given the norm I would assume the beers are about 40-45k each. Tips tpo mommy 100k, waiter 50k and girls 200k.

2. I went with some frfiedns to 450 THD, which is on the list had nearly 3 cartons 64beersat34k each, plus 2 fruit platter. 1 grilled eel, penuts, wet towels and room charges. 3.4 mill. Tipped waiters 100k, and the two mommy 200k. Becuase one guy didn't take a girl the mommy was the subsitute giurl dirty dancing and singing with him. 2 guys took a girl so didn't tip them the one guy that didn't take his girl I tipped her 300k on his behalf. One girl ran away and didn't turn up at the hotel but she wasnt tipped so her loss, the other giurls stayed overnight and she was given 2mill. So overall beers, tips to girls, mommy and waiters from 8-11pm 1mill each person. The girls were 6-7 in looks but was told and saw a few 7. 5's.

3. I was given a Fr report by the same guys from above they went to a local bia om on nO trang long. Similar beer costs some cute girls but on avergae 5-6 in looks some milfs also, but the girls got naked and danced on the tables and did the whole tipp money in their vagina etc, and 2 guys took their girls and fucked in another kareoke rooms cost 500k. Tips 200k to the girls.

I'm summary this is why I don't like going to KTV, beer costs prob 1mill then overnight is 2mill or 500k one shot. BUT the girls look no better than the girls at Ktown, or I had a 9 give me a BJ at a massage for 200k tyhen I had a 7. 5 cute 22yr old give me a BJ in a hot toc for 100k tip. Makes no sense to go to KTV

[QUOTE=MutantChicken; 1351221]KTV FR 3 of them.

Intro a group of 4 newbies to Tran Binh Trong bia om. The gal looked 6 to 7 out of 10. I joined them after they finished 1 carton of heineken. Total had 3 cartons and bill came to 3. 4mil for 4 hours. So quite reasonable. One 18yr old came around 7pm dressed in 2 pc suit. She was like a school girl but she claimed she worked in retail and part time bia om. She don't go out. The rest willing to go out with price tag of 3mil.

In summary not sure if the bill included fruits or what but given the norm I would assume the beers are about 40-45k each. Tips tpo mommy 100k, waiter 50k and girls 200k.

2. I went with some frfiedns to 450 THD, which is on the list had nearly 3 cartons 64beersat34k each, plus 2 fruit platter. 1 grilled eel, penuts, wet towels and room charges. 3.4 mill. Tipped waiters 100k, and the two mommy 200k. Becuase one guy didn't take a girl the mommy was the subsitute giurl dirty dancing and singing with him. 2 guys took a girl so didn't tip them the one guy that didn't take his girl I tipped her 300k on his behalf. One girl ran away and didn't turn up at the hotel but she wasnt tipped so her loss, the other giurls stayed overnight and she was given 2mill. So overall beers, tips to girls, mommy and waiters from 8-11pm 1mill each person. The girls were 6-7 in looks but was told and saw a few 7. 5's.

3. I was given a Fr report by the same guys from above they went to a local bia om on nO trang long. Similar beer costs some cute girls but on avergae 5-6 in looks some milfs also, but the girls got naked and danced on the tables and did the whole tipp money in their vagina etc, and 2 guys took their girls and fucked in another kareoke rooms cost 500k. Tips 200k to the girls.

I'm summary this is why I don't like going to KTV, beer costs prob 1mill then overnight is 2mill or 500k one shot. BUT the girls look no better than the girls at Ktown, or I had a 9 give me a BJ at a massage for 200k tyhen I had a 7. 5 cute 22yr old give me a BJ in a hot toc for 100k tip. Makes no sense to go to KTV[/QUOTE]Hi, I also newbies when intro me and my friend too haha.

[QUOTE=Rikuto;1351145]When you will be free my my flight is 17 of DEC around 8 should arrive. Pm your viet number to me then We contact and meet up, I love war stories and girls too haha cheerio hope to meet you soon.[/QUOTE]I'd like to meet up with you Rikuto but I'll be headed back to the US by then, I arrive this Friday night late and will leave in two plus weeks. Anyone else up for a drink? PM me.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Slick72; 1354352]I'd like to meet up with you Rikuto but I'll be headed back to the US by then, I arrive this Friday night late and will leave in two plus weeks. Anyone else up for a drink? PM me.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I'm flying into Vietnam on December 17th also, going to spend some time in the north and then head to HCMC. I've been a few times, speak pretty good Vietnamese, and would like to find some KTV buddies to hang out, drink, and chase girls. Hit me up if you want to join.

[QUOTE=Slick72; 1354352]I'd like to meet up with you Rikuto but I'll be headed back to the US by then, I arrive this Friday night late and will leave in two plus weeks. Anyone else up for a drink? PM me.

Cheers[/QUOTE]What date you arrive I arrive 17 dec til 3 jan haha if times right sure out for a drink we find a way to contact because I dint subscribe this forum so can't pm you.

[QUOTE=Osmosis;1354477]I'm flying into Vietnam on December 17th also, going to spend some time in the north and then head to HCMC. I've been a few times, speak pretty good Vietnamese, and would like to find some KTV buddies to hang out, drink, and chase girls. Hit me up if you want to join.[/QUOTE]Sure can haha I also finding buddies for hang out.

[QUOTE=Osmosis;1354477]I'm flying into Vietnam on December 17th also, going to spend some time in the north and then head to HCMC. I've been a few times, speak pretty good Vietnamese, and would like to find some KTV buddies to hang out, drink, and chase girls. Hit me up if you want to join.[/QUOTE]Sounds good, whats your travel schedule like in Vietnam?

How can we get in contact? I can't PM people on this site because that costs money.

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Hi Osmosis,

Are you suggesting that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can not afford a $20 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained.

A forum subscription is less than 40 cents a week. That's less than the price of a newspaper.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Ok so I've posted before mentioning me and a buddy are headed to hcmc and nha trang for December and here we are now. No one has replied to our post with any interest so we opted to not subscribe to PM. Thanks to forum post we were able to locate Ben Ny and My Tien in hcmc for the 3 nights we stayed at the park hyatt as well as the easy to find Hai Ba Trung bars next door. Thanks to forum contributors we have enjoyed Ben Ny and My Tien which are conveniently located next to each other (if you are worried about finding the address, don't worry, just search for Ben Ny in google map).

First off, Ben Ny, a charming little place. Just drive your motorbike straight in, grab the parking reciept and fork over 120k per person to mamasan and hold out your hand to the best looking girl you see and leave the rest to her. Step into the lounge chairs and get to know her and 10 minutes later she'll take you to a private room and take care of you (if you know what I mean). I chosen by a sweet # named (shit I forgot) anyways, most of the girls in there are a 5-8. I had a 6 and my buddy had an 8. I was kinda jealous. Lets make this a short review and lets just say we had a good time. The girls were nice and took their time. At the end we tipped each girl 100k each. They were happy as it only took me 90 secs to blow my load.

The next day we decided to try My Tien which is obviously next doors. The quality of the staff is less of Ben Ny but from my buddy's experience, at My Tien, the girls are willing to go 69. Prices was same as Ben Ny (120k fee 100k tip) but if we had to choose we definitely go for Ben Ny next time.

Next stop is the bars on Hai Ba Trung st. Near the park hyatt saigon. 91 and 51 must be the best bars since it had the best ladies for take out. We asked how much for short time at the hyatt and the hottest lady asked for 1. 3 mill for an Hour. We opted not to take the offer as we were just curious and just wanted a beer and will certainly return for inquiries again.

The following day we were in nha trang and its certainly different from the city. For one thing, it doesn't have BJ clinics. Only KTV night clubs and massage parlors. Most popular mp in nha trang are Quoc Te, Hoa the and De Nhat. They are all hit

Or miss but it's 180k ticket for De Nhat and 270k ticket for Hoa the (I'd spend the xtra 90K for Hoa.

I am drunk as I'm writing this so forgive me for being too generalized. We'll be in vn untill jan 7th so keep checking up for more postings to come

[QUOTE=KnightsOfShame; 1358907]Ok so I've posted before mentioning me and a buddy are headed to hcmc and nha trang for December and here we are now. No one has replied to our post with any interest so we opted to not subscribe to PM. Thanks to forum post we were able to locate Ben Ny and My Tien in hcmc for the 3 nights we stayed at the park hyatt as well as the easy to find Hai Ba Trung bars next door. Thanks to forum contributors we have enjoyed Ben Ny and My Tien which are conveniently located next to each other (if you are worried about finding the address, don't worry, just search for Ben Ny in google map).

First off, Ben Ny, a charming little place. Just drive your motorbike straight in, grab the parking reciept and fork over 120k per person to mamasan and hold out your hand to the best looking girl you see and leave the rest to her. Step into the lounge chairs and get to know her and 10 minutes later she'll take you to a private room and take care of you (if you know what I mean). I chosen by a sweet # named (shit I forgot) anyways, most of the girls in there are a 5-8. I had a 6 and my buddy had an 8. I was kinda jealous. Lets make this a short review and lets just say we had a good time. The girls were nice and took their time. At the end we tipped each girl 100k each. They were happy as it only took me 90 secs to blow my load.

The next day we decided to try My Tien which is obviously next doors. The quality of the staff is less of Ben Ny but from my buddy's experience, at My Tien, the girls are willing to go 69. Prices was same as Ben Ny (120k fee 100k tip) but if we had to choose we definitely go for Ben Ny next time.

Next stop is the bars on Hai Ba Trung st. Near the park hyatt saigon. 91 and 51 must be the best bars since it had the best ladies for take out. We asked how much for short time at the hyatt and the hottest lady asked for 1. 3 mill for an Hour. We opted not to take the offer as we were just curious and just wanted a beer and will certainly return for inquiries again.

The following day we were in nha trang and its certainly different from the city. For one thing, it doesn't have BJ clinics. Only KTV night clubs and massage parlors. Most popular mp in nha trang are Quoc Te, Hoa the and De Nhat. They are all hit

Or miss but it's 180k ticket for De Nhat and 270k ticket for Hoa the (I'd spend the xtra 90K for Hoa.

I am drunk as I'm writing this so forgive me for being too generalized. We'll be in vn untill jan 7th so keep checking up for more postings to come[/QUOTE]Cool review guys, I will be arriving to HCM in a week times 17/12/2012 staying at A&them Le Prince we shall hook up if possible. Will be at HCM til 3 Road Jan

Hello,

I will be on New Year's Ho Chi Minh City (D1). Does anyone have a good tip for a party with lots of girls? Which place with beach and girls can you recommend for the following days? (easy to reach from Ho Chi Minh City). Thank you!

Knights, if you check the "other" forum post you will find where the BJ places in NT are.

Go to Vung Tau. It's a fast and fun ride on the hydrofoil. And there's plenty of action there. Go to Belly's. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Bucu Travel; 1360584]Hello,

I will be on New Year's Ho Chi Minh City (D1). Does anyone have a good tip for a party with lots of girls? Which place with beach and girls can you recommend for the following days? (easy to reach from Ho Chi Minh City). Thank you![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=D Cups;1360900]Go to Vung Tau. It's a fast and fun ride on the hydrofoil. And there's plenty of action there. Go to Belly's. Have fun.[/QUOTE]Vung Tau was one of my favorites but the reports are quite different. I will try it, and hope to find a good girl friendly hotel close to Belly's. Thank you for the tip!

If anyone should have a good idea for New Year's Eve in HCMC, just tell me.

Hi guys,

I just reach HCM last night 10pm plus having trouble looking for money changer at this hour had to go to Phang Ngu Lau (of because rate are not tat favourable but tolerable. Had a shock as business are dropping number of tourist decrease dramatically. Currently staying at A&them 132 any body wana hang out are welcome.

Deployed in Saigon for some much needed RnR away from the battlefields of Pattaya.

Staying in PNL where I did so several years ago.

Observations:

- inflation has eroded the average viets spending power, pho is now 30k vs 10k.

- hotels are still cheap as USD15 can get you something decent with aircon / wifi.

PNL Observations.

- many more bars with viet girls as hostesses trying to entice men in. Talked with a local who said pricing was USD25+ but did not confirm.

- Several stunning girls walking up and down the streets, not sure where they hang maybe Go2 or Crazy Buffalo. Suspect pricing would be at least USD50. Doable Milfs whom my source said would go for USD20.

- Lots of moto guys selling weed / and / or girls. Did not confirm price.

Ben Nys.

Note: On google maps there two location for 110 Dien Bien Phu. One is a restaurant but it has a girl at the front who will tell a moto guy to take you over the bridge to the actual location. If you take the bus (#50) down Dien Bien Phu it will be about 10 meters away from the bus stop.

Arrived there and there was some kind of pitched battle between some random guys in tan jackets and the neighbouring business. Took it in my stride and made my way straight in there. 120k to the desk girl who I think was subbing for the mamasan. Said you pay 200k to girls and I just some random stuff.

Line-up: was ok but with BJ Bars there is always a compromise on quality. Took one with a decent rack called Toey. Cabin was very cramped, no towels involved so possible hygene issues.

Performance: pretty good. Started to lick all around my body nipples, thighs etc. Discovered the knees are an erogonous zone interesting enough. Good work on the head and balls. I'm shaved so its a special treat for her. Wiped me down and lifted my legs up and rimmed my ass. Awesome tongue work, rock on asia. Not to sure if this is SOP but it has my seal of approval. Gives pretty good head overall. Unfortunately as she was licking my balls and jerking me off to completion she missed my signal that I was about to blow and she should move her tongue to the head of my dick to receive my load in her mouth. I've been on a special diet of pineapple to make my load sweeter but I guess it her loss. Gave her 200k anyway because of unasked for rimming of a random sweaty walk-in pervert. She cleaned me up and I was on my way into the Saigon night. Looked into My Tein a couple a doors down. Real lookers there so will hit it up tomorrow.

Side Note: was wondering down random street and decided to see if the ST hotel that two moto girls took me to several years ago still existed. I think it was down an ally off Nguyen Thai Binh. There were some foodstalls at its entrance but there was a slutty looking girl with blonde hair relaxing in one of the chairs who was not eating whom I got a definite 'on the game' vibe off so it still appears to be active. If any mongers can corroborate that would be great.

This place is right next to Ben Nys at 90 DBP but has a more upmarket feel. All the girls were on display at the front at around 7pm so this appears to be the most optimum time to go as there were no other customers around. The quality was higher than Ben Nys so I took a cute little spinner named Ni with highlights and a really nice ass. Same SOP as Ben Nys with her panties down and tits out with licking of nipples. BBBJ wasn't that good and there was no rimming offered so she was cruising on her looks. Despite the untalented BBBJ it was good to rub my hands all over a 9. 5 including lightly fingering her ass. Several times when I was fondling her but she directed her hands back to her hairy snatch to finger her. What's up with that? I'm not sure of the protocol at these places so didn't push it and stick my finger all the way. Do viet guys consider it a customary right? Shoved her tits in my face so but got too carried away and she yelped. Felt really bad and lost wood but she carried on. Had to blow by jerking off while she licked my sack. Good times. Gave her 200k due to the nipple incident and 120k to the house. Didn't want her to have a bad impression of foreigners so I feel it was justified. Wanted an extra USD10 but said no and she took it nicely. Maybe if she had offered 20 inutes of protracted and deep rimming I would have been game so sorry.

The cubicles are less cramped than Ben Nys but there is less privacy. I don't know how it would have gone if they were all occupied.

Upon reflection BJ joints are more about performance than looks and I enjoyed my time with Toi next door more but this is not to say one of the My Tien girls couldn't perform as well but that it takes an investment in time and money to go through and find one with looks and skills.

Saigon is a great place if you have time to research the scene or are an expat based there. Unfortunately because it appears to be well regulated by the state then prices will reflect that. I get the feeling that even in the South the culture is quite conservative so one would have to invest considerable time here to network and make the appropriate contacts with 9s and 10s at an economic price. Girls here at fantastic it just the accessibility I don't like.

Got randomly hassled by some mamasan on a bike on the way to My Tien. She wanted me to check out her stock and even offered herself. Said the price was 500k but I'm guessing that doesn't include the hotel. She was quite persistent but I'm not about to go off in Saigon rush hour traffic to some weird location. Probably legit but I don't have the local knowledge to make that call.

All in all a nice little city but can be pricy if you don't know what you're doing or what you should be paying.

[B]Tan Binh[/B]

Just got back from a long trip overseas, I had a three night stop in HCMC and manage to line up some time with XuperStar from this forum for him to show me some of his usual haunts. We met up and when to two hair salons in Tan Binh, the first one looked quite modern and there was around 9 girls to choose from, they were mainly 6 and 7s but were 25y. O + and we wanted younger so we decided to leave and headed for another one. The second place was more run down, again same deal 7 in the line up, all but one was 25y. O +, she just started and was only 18. Since we only saw one that we liked and there was two of us, we thought we'll leave, but just as we were about to get up, the mamasan said wait and went out the back and shouted something in viet and immediately three more came down to join the line up. Now these three were much better and exactly what we were after, so Xuperstar choose the 18y. O and I picked an 8 who later told me she was 22.

Mine took me upstairs and asked me to shower, she then got me some some water and had a shower as well before joining me on the bed. I don't speak a word of viet and she didn't speak a word or english so it was mainly hand signals and me leading, she had a very soft body, natural see cup and a neatly trim and very tight box. She basically let me do what ever I wanted and I managed to slip my entire thumb up her backside while I was doing her doggie style and no complaints at all. I blew my load and we had a shower together before I went downstairs, not long afterwards Xuperstar came down as well and we both handed over 650k each and were on our way.

Next he took me to one of the 5 star massage places that he mentioned on the forum, he was a member so it was 2 for 1 ticket price which 200k (100k each) , once inside it was similar setup to some of the sauna places in Macau, there is showers, sauna and movie area for you to sit down and relax. You can order drinks, noodles and some tea while you relax and watch a movie or surf the net with their free wi-fi, once you are ready, they arrange the girls for you and take you to a private massage room. I was told that there is never a girl less than a 7 there and from the girls I saw around the place and the girl I got it is true. The girls again didn't speak any english but gave a very good and professional massage before finishing with a HJ, she kept pulling my hand to touch he breast and play with her bum but it was all clothes on so I was actually wanting to just enjoy the HJ, but I suppose it was a nice gesture and she was very playful in the end. Once we were done I was handed a note to write down how much tip we want to give, I liked this because there is no haggling before hand, I over tipped as the usual is only 200k, but overall this was a very nice place to go. That was pretty much it for the afternoon's action, Xuperstar was a very easy going guy and easy to get along with.

[B]D7[/B]

I stayed in D7 while I was in HCMC and would you believe it a FS massage place was right across the road from my hotel! But I didn't go to it because the hotel's security guard was sitting outside and I felt awkward going in while he was looking at me. Lucky for me there was a few of them just down the street and around the corner from my hotel so I managed to try a few out. Basically from what I experiened in my short time, the going rate is 1mil there for FS (I didn't bargin) at all the places I tried, the "massage" starts at 100k. 250k for the VIP room and the time is 90 minutes. I went for the VIP room all the time so I don't know what the basic room is like, but the VIP rooms have a large massage table or bed depending on shop with shower in the corner, I start with a massage which goes for about 80 mins, after which they ask if you would like a HJ (300k) or "boom boom", then it's untimed or they didn't clock watch anyway, I got GFE with all the girls and they were very willing and into it. I also believe you can take away as well, but that's for an additional cost. Most of the places I went to had around 7. 10 girls in the line up and they range from 6. 9.

All in all, I had a pretty good time in VN.

Signing off, happy punting.

19-24 January. Anyone around for a beer drop me a PM.

[QUOTE=Skuz Butt; 1364057][B]Tan Binh[/B]

Just got back from a long trip overseas, I had a three night stop in HCMC and manage to line up some time with XuperStar from this forum for him to show me some of his usual haunts. We met up and when to two hair salons in Tan Binh, the first one looked quite modern and there was around 9 girls to choose from, they were mainly 6 and 7s but were 25y. O + and we wanted younger so we decided to leave and headed for another one. The second place was more run down, again same deal 7 in the line up, all but one was 25y. O +, she just started and was only 18. Since we only saw one that we liked and there was two of us, we thought we'll leave, but just as we were about to get up, the mamasan said wait and went out the back and shouted something in viet and immediately three more came down to join the line up. Now these three were much better and exactly what we were after, so Xuperstar choose the 18y. O and I picked an 8 who later told me she was 22.

Mine took me upstairs and asked me to shower, she then got me some some water and had a shower as well before joining me on the bed. I don't speak a word of viet and she didn't speak a word or english so it was mainly hand signals and me leading, she had a very soft body, natural see cup and a neatly trim and very tight box. She basically let me do what ever I wanted and I managed to slip my entire thumb up her backside while I was doing her doggie style and no complaints at all. I blew my load and we had a shower together before I went downstairs, not long afterwards Xuperstar came down as well and we both handed over 650k each and were on our way.

Next he took me to one of the 5 star massage places that he mentioned on the forum, he was a member so it was 2 for 1 ticket price which 200k (100k each) , once inside it was similar setup to some of the sauna places in Macau, there is showers, sauna and movie area for you to sit down and relax. You can order drinks, noodles and some tea while you relax and watch a movie or surf the net with their free wi-fi, once you are ready, they arrange the girls for you and take you to a private massage room. I was told that there is never a girl less than a 7 there and from the girls I saw around the place and the girl I got it is true. The girls again didn't speak any english but gave a very good and professional massage before finishing with a HJ, she kept pulling my hand to touch he breast and play with her bum but it was all clothes on so I was actually wanting to just enjoy the HJ, but I suppose it was a nice gesture and she was very playful in the end. Once we were done I was handed a note to write down how much tip we want to give, I liked this because there is no haggling before hand, I over tipped as the usual is only 200k, but overall this was a very nice place to go. That was pretty much it for the afternoon's action, Xuperstar was a very easy going guy and easy to get along with.

[B]D7[/B]

I stayed in D7 while I was in HCMC and would you believe it a FS massage place was right across the road from my hotel! But I didn't go to it because the hotel's security guard was sitting outside and I felt awkward going in while he was looking at me. Lucky for me there was a few of them just down the street and around the corner from my hotel so I managed to try a few out. Basically from what I experiened in my short time, the going rate is 1mil there for FS (I didn't bargin) at all the places I tried, the "massage" starts at 100k. 250k for the VIP room and the time is 90 minutes. I went for the VIP room all the time so I don't know what the basic room is like, but the VIP rooms have a large massage table or bed depending on shop with shower in the corner, I start with a massage which goes for about 80 mins, after which they ask if you would like a HJ (300k) or "boom boom", then it's untimed or they didn't clock watch anyway, I got GFE with all the girls and they were very willing and into it. I also believe you can take away as well, but that's for an additional cost. Most of the places I went to had around 7. 10 girls in the line up and they range from 6. 9.

All in all, I had a pretty good time in VN.

Signing off, happy punting.[/QUOTE]The 1st report I ever had from a companion. When the girl gave you HJ, you were supposed to roam under her clothe man =. =. My bad for not mentioning it.

That last night I was having a good time with a sexy girl and she was surely ok and experienced, but having drunk quite a lot of alcool, body didn't follow the mind so we went to sleep and let it for breakfast. After a week of fiesta everynight and lot of alcool it had to happen, I'm not the youngest since long time. The day later, remembering I read some reports on ISG forums, about Tadalafil and similars, I bought in the first pharmacy I found on HBT some Tadalafil. The man sold me a box for 200K, I thought there were more pills inside, but was only 1. The night later met a young girl on Go2, she told me could only stay 2 hours because had to go home before her parents got up in the morning, (could be a lie or be true) , so we go to my hotel and I hurry up to take half of a pill, it should take about 30-40 to show the effect. I read on Wikipedia that there are no contraindications to take Tadalafil with alcool. The girl is very hot, one of the best BJ I can remember, I really like her but not a great help from the pill, I don't feel any difference, the effect should last some hours, but after 1 hour is game over, shit, I'am upset. It's getting morning and the girl leaves, after a while I start feeling bad, like when you are sea thick, sweat cold. At that moment I am glad the girl left and also that I took only half of the pill. It goes on about 1 hour like that and after start getting better, it takes me all the morning to recover. Just let me tell you, the night after that, before going back to my hotel with a girl, we went eat some great tasting pho at the Chinese at Nguyen Trai with much better results than Tadalafil.

Now, I would like to ask some of you that make use of these kind of pills if you also experienced the use of both pills and alcool and also if somebody could direct me to the previous reports about that matter, I would like to compare my pill with the ones describe on the report, I remember there were some pics too and quite detailed info about it. My pill is yellow outside and white inside, but the box is looking like it could be a fake, had no problem cutting in two halfs with a good knife. I tried to go back quite many pages on this forum (general info) thread but didn't find anything.

I appreciate any info. Tt

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1363319]Ben Nys.

Arrived there and there was some kind of pitched battle between some random guys in tan jackets and the neighbouring business. Took it in my stride and made my way straight in there. 120k to the desk girl who I think was subbing for the mamasan. Said you pay 200k to girls and I just some random stuff.[/QUOTE]When did Ben Nys start making it mandatory to tip the girls 200K? I went there tonight to see for myself at around 9pm. Gave the girl at the dest 120k. Sure enough, she said I have to tip 200k. So I just took my money back and went to My Tien.

They shouldn't make it mandatory to tip a set amount. It should be up to the customer based on how much enjoyed his stay. But then again, that might be the problem as well. Possibly too many foreigners going in there and overtipping. I always used to tip 100k and maybe more if the girl did a great job, but it appears they've gotten spoiled by all the overtipping. Just my guess.

Overall, Ben Nys WAS my favorite place before the change.

My Tien continues to remain 120k for the ticket and the tip amount is up to you. So I could recommend everyone start going to my tien, but I guess the same thing would eventually happen. (sigh)

Cheers gents.

[QUOTE=Muse Fan; 1366537]When did Ben Nys start making it mandatory to tip the girls 200K? I went there tonight to see for myself at around 9pm. Gave the girl at the dest 120k. Sure enough, she said I have to tip 200k. So I just took my money back and went to My Tien.

They shouldn't make it mandatory to tip a set amount. It should be up to the customer based on how much enjoyed his stay. But then again, that might be the problem as well. Possibly too many foreigners going in there and overtipping. I always used to tip 100k and maybe more if the girl did a great job, but it appears they've gotten spoiled by all the overtipping. Just my guess.

Overall, Ben Nys WAS my favorite place before the change.

My Tien continues to remain 120k for the ticket and the tip amount is up to you. So I could recommend everyone start going to my tien, but I guess the same thing would eventually happen. (sigh)

Cheers gents.[/QUOTE]From what I read between the lines combined with my experience, the girl always tries to get one more if she believes you don't know the price. Try to tip 200 and she would go for 300.

Probably things have changed as I haven't been there for more than 6 months.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1366545]From what I read between the lines combined with my experience, the girl always tries to get one more if she believes you don't know the price. Try to tip 200 and she would go for 300.

Probably things have changed as I haven't been there for more than 6 months.[/QUOTE]That exactly right so that why when the idiots who read the forum to get the adress but then can't follow the pricing structure or who can't say no to a 40kg girl asking for double the going rate. That why I WILL NEVER post my own local information on this or any form EVER, also as a point of reference the places I go to the giorls are more friendly younger better looking and are hoppy with a total of 200, at ben ny I still only paid 120+100, but ther girl was older and more mechanical but still relatively friendly. I'll leave that shop for the idiots.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1366919]...That why I WILL NEVER post my own local information on this or any forum EVER...[/QUOTE]Sadly that is the only way and the logical result. I have also chosen not to report about anything anymore that has not yet been repeatedly mentioned.

[QUOTE= Quote Originally Posted by MutantChicken [View Original Post]

That why I WILL NEVER post my own local information on this or any forum EVER.[/QUOTE]Thanks god you NEVER do, or else dangerous diseases from old hags at the slums will spread all over the place. Just keep it for yourself.

It would be easy for a jobless guy like you to go around any third world cities to abuse old hags for 5-6 bucks. I can't see any thing so "secret" or "valuable" in that.

This is all comming from the guy who was so weak as to be enticed my a pretty gal to buy a membership program that he could use to its full effect, so had to go online and try to onsell it to get its benefits so as to justify the supposed 1000 he spent for it. When I exposed his lies and broke his rice bowl he then proceeded to troll me via pm, for weeks at a time, but when I again exposed him ie he is some lame ass vk living with his 3rd world relatives because he is such a broke ass FOB, and you can tell with his broken english, that he claimed her BOUGHT a 5 story house. And asked be where I got my info from. When I linked him to his OWN posts he went crying back saying that I was pestering him and he was putting me on ignore and yet here he is AGAIN, for a guy who claims to be so busy making money, sure has alot of time to waste.

Lame so lame, if the time he spent making these useless comments was spent in ESL lessons I'm sure he would come off more believable.

As a point of information any guys who know where the hot toc (ie already knows the location, as I'm not revealing) where the girls get naked and give you a BJ, there is a a shop that is quite clean and the girls young tall and leggy 200k. Also the current batch of girls at the brothels are very good, my mates and I have reported all good experiences in looks and service, FS 650k.

Hello guys. Will be traveling from Manila to HCMC in January. I get to HCMC at 12:30 and I'm wondering my options. My hotel is in District 1 near the back packers area. What's best for transportation? Cab? Make sure the meter is running? Or is there a better option. Will I have time to get to a bar for some carry out or should I just do a bar for a quickie. Will I have a probelm because of the time? First time in HCMC so any help would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays;1367743]Hello guys. Will be traveling from Manila to HCMC in January. I get to HCMC at 12:30 and I'm wondering my options. My hotel is in District 1 near the back packers area. What's best for transportation? Cab? Make sure the meter is running? Or is there a better option. Will I have time to get to a bar for some carry out or should I just do a bar for a quickie. Will I have a probelm because of the time? First time in HCMC so any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]According to your other posts on the other threads your some sort of millionaire quite happy to overpay and spoil the market for the local residents, I'm not so keen to assist such a person like yourself, and suprised such a millionaire would a stay in the budget hotels in PNL or be concerned with cabs costs when your were bragging that you would deliberately over pay 20 dolars per gal just to mess up the local WL economy.

Ignore this guy. He posts in every forum in Asia but has never actually been to any of the countries. What could be a harmless pastime is something much worse because each and everyone of those inquiries could be answered by spending an hour reading the fucking forum.

[QUOTE=Skuz Butt; 1364057][B]Tan Binh[/B]

Just got back from a long trip overseas, [/QUOTE]Good report, would have been better with more info on the massage place locations (though who knows nowadays, people like to find spots on this website in order to inflate the prices apparently).

I have to ask though how you and the other guy hooked up through ISG when you're both regular members with no PM privileges?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1367790]Ignore this guy. He posts in every forum in Asia but has never actually been to any of the countries. What could be a harmless pastime is something much worse because each and everyone of those inquiries could be answered by spending an hour reading the fucking forum.[/QUOTE]Yes, I've asked questions and for the most part have gotten some good advise in forum and PM. But then again there's always the idiot that needs to pipe in for no apparent reason other than to see himself type RTFF. And here you are. Like clockwork.

Matter of fact there is a group of 5 going on this trip but we'll be splitting, going our own way. I was hoping for some recent info, especially what time places close. Didn't see much mention of working hours but I'd be thankful if you actually did something constructive and pointed me to the post.

Or you could go back and see how many more complaints you can post about cost and service, and how you're getting priced out of the market. Must really suck to be so close to all that beautiful Asian puss and you can't afford it. And give us a little more about that CIA job you have, where you can't take rubbers in your luggage because it gets checked. That was a great way of explaining off being married and your wife packs your bag. CIA is much sexier big boy. I'm personally going to see if I can improve the plight of certain Asian cuties. And when I overpay I will call it the RockRick affect on economic development. I'm going to be doing them 3 maybe 4 at a time dude. Be thinking about you the whole time. I'll post pictures.

But hey, being the nice guy that I am I'd love to meet you somewhere in Asia to say hello. I'll even buy you a piece of ass? Ladyboy if you like. I won't judge.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays;1367808]Yes, I've asked questions and for the most part have gotten some good advise in forum and PM. But then again there's always the idiot that needs to pipe in for no apparent reason other than to see himself type RTFF. And here you are. Like clockwork.[/QUOTE]Well, Maybe time for you to give back some information on your busy mongering so far

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1367839]Well, Maybe time for you to give back some information on your busy mongering so far[/QUOTE]Presently I have been picking up girls in the US from Craigslist. If you log log into the US version of this site you will find reports from some of those girls. Right now I have three regulars that I see. One (Emi) is Asian. 21, a little on the chubby side great boobs, and she does a nice job for a very reasonable price. Jilian is a student that goes to U* and is available when ever I need her, Kels is a 24 year old hottie and is available when I need her. Pictures have been posted in the US version of this forum. There is also Eileen and Josi (reports have been posted) but I see them less. If you're ever in the Midwest by all means let me know. I have mongered and posted long ago. So inasmuch as I may not have traveled much in the last year I have mongered quite a bit at home and reported such.

I have mongered all over the world and posted reports long ago under another alias. But those that know me know that and I couldn't expect you to know that. But I have been to Cuba, Columbia, Costa Rica, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Ukraine, Russia, Czech Republic, Hungary, and on and on. You get the idea. So if you want to know info on those places by all means ask. A lot of it is old but I think Night Flight is still open and I hear the Duck is up and running again. River Palace is long gone, and Cuba isn't near what it sued to be. Ukraine, Budapest, and Prague have gotten crazy, I get cheaper here. Poland looks promising and I might try that in the summer. I'll be visiting family anyway so I'll be almost there.

I have also posted in the Thai board pictures of me and my US girlfriend when we took a girl from Nana for the night. This was a while ago but I posted it anyway. Quite a nice time. I've been busy mongering for a long time and I am just finishing up a large project and am planning a trip. It will be a month of multiple locations. Part of the trip will be with guys that have been to the places we're going. Other places I'll be on my own. Now I thought I asked a legitimate question about getting into HCMC late and the availability of non-rip-off cabs and whether there will be anything open for some fun at 1-2 in the morning. I RTFF and didn't see it covered. Maybe I missed it. Now you can be a jerk like the guy that endlessly complains about overpaying by $3. 88 in HCMC and answer with a smart useless remark or you can be a stand up guy and pass the information along just like someone did for you. If you have that information. Either way, no skin off my ass. But quite frankly, the big swinging dicks behind their keyboards is not becoming of adult men. JMHO I mean really, where did this RTFF originate anyway. Clearly we are all too busy with more important things in this forum. Really? It's much more constructive to sit here and endlessly ***** about overpaying $3. 88 or you could help a fellow monger by answering a question.

Interesting how the standup regulars here always have time for the new guy. Yes in Asia I'm a new guy. But I'll be there in less than two weeks and I will report. If you want to help a new guy out please do so, if not save the snide remarks for someone that gives a shit about what you think. I'm trying to find some information. When I have something to post I will post. Your snide remarks don't do anyone in this forum good. Not to mention looks childish. It certainly has nothing to do with the free exchange of information among mongers trying to find the next fun.

Peace,

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1367839]Well, Maybe time for you to give back some information on your busy mongering so far[/QUOTE]Most of your posts seem to be helpful and informative.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays;1367936]Most of your posts seem to be helpful and informative.[/QUOTE]Have you ever thought that maybe someone refuses to help you out because your uncharismatic and dislikeable. I'm in that camp.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1367959]Have you ever thought that maybe someone refuses to help you out because your uncharismatic and dislikeable. I'm in that camp.[/QUOTE]I don't know that a guy with the same amount of experience on the board is really this kind of help I was looking for. But the board and I thank you for your input. I don't know that we could have done it without you. Don't fret, a few of the guys that know the ropes have stepped up in pm.

I'll try to be more sensitive to your type in the future.

Never one to miss an opportunity for a good laugh I'm in bed drinking coffee watching the news and just saw a commercial advertising a lawyer that is suing for trans-vaginal mesh implants. You want me to grab the number for you?

Don't take yourself so seriously.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays; 1368136]I don't know that a guy with the same amount of experience on the board is really this kind of help I was looking for. But the board and I thank you for your input. I don't know that we could have done it without you. Don't fret, a few of the guys that know the ropes have stepped up in pm.

I'll try to be more sensitive to your type in the future.

Never one to miss an opportunity for a good laugh I'm in bed drinking coffee watching the news and just saw a commercial advertising a lawyer that is suing for trans-vaginal mesh implants. You want me to grab the number for you?

Don't take yourself so seriously.[/QUOTE]For a guy who claims to be a successful businessman albiet an uneducated one and it shows in your poor grasp of logic, but the number of posts is not a indication of viable on street knowledge, you are the classic example over 100+ and its nothing but blowing you own trumpet on threads that you have NEVER been to, try doing a bit of research and you will see the number of current reports I have made in SEA. Finally it probably never occured to you that its people like you that stops people who actually have useful information from posting in the first place. Enjoy your stay in HCM and ill be awaiting your report how HCM city sucks and how you got ripped off my some ladyboys on a moto.

Anyperson who has any viable street knowledge wouldn't be silly anought to pass you any useful knowlege maybe like try the HBT bars for carry out.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays;1367743]Hello guys. Will be traveling from Manila to HCMC in January. I get to HCMC at 12:30 and I'm wondering my options. My hotel is in District 1 near the back packers area. What's best for transportation? Cab? Make sure the meter is running? Or is there a better option. Will I have time to get to a bar for some carry out or should I just do a bar for a quickie. Will I have a probelm because of the time? First time in HCMC so any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]It's not clear to me if you get in hcmc 12. 30 during day or night, I suppose night as you seem to be worried about what will be still open. You can take a taxi, just before the exit of the airport, on the left side, there are some bank and taxi desks, take Vinasun, cost is 7 or 8 USD, no ripp off, you can also change money almost the same rate as downtown, but I never came so late so I don't know if the desk are still open at night. For the bar, the most close at 1 am or 2 am, but around PNL area some are still open. For sure is open Go2, till 5 am at least, groundfloor to drink. 1. Floor to dance, plenty of girls there. Just around Go2 there are also plenty of bars open till late, just don't take taxi standing there, stop a taxi driving, Vinasum. 27 27 and Mailinh. 38 38 are reliable.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1367795]Good report, would have been better with more info on the massage place locations (though who knows nowadays, people like to find spots on this website in order to inflate the prices apparently).

I have to ask though how you and the other guy hooked up through ISG when you're both regular members with no PM privileges?[/QUOTE]I do have PM privileges and so does he Rick, I just pay the annual fee.

I can give the locations out, happy to do that and have done that through PM already to some members. However I don't want to give it out in open forum out of respect for the regulars who are in HCMC, since I was only visiting I am not impacted like them.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken; 1368190]For a guy who claims to be a successful businessman albiet an uneducated one and it shows in your poor grasp of logic, but the number of posts is not a indication of viable on street knowledge, you are the classic example over 100+ and its nothing but blowing you own trumpet on threads that you have NEVER been to, try doing a bit of research and you will see the number of current reports I have made in SEA. Finally it probably never occured to you that its people like you that stops people who actually have useful information from posting in the first place. Enjoy your stay in HCM and ill be awaiting your report how HCM city sucks and how you got ripped off my some ladyboys on a moto.

Anyperson who has any viable street knowledge wouldn't be silly anought to pass you any useful knowlege maybe like try the HBT bars for carry out.[/QUOTE]You assume that I actually care what you think. Grasp of logic? Because I didn't take the time to research your posts. That's a stretch. You're openly antagonistic and that's all I need to know from or about you. And that's the way I'll interact with you. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. And the education vs success argument, well I won't even go there but I would suggest you look at recent business successes, start with the Forbes top 100 and then come back and tell me about education. So inasmuch as I do have an education it has nothing to do with success. My street smarts have been of much more value and that's impossible to teach. And that's why people work for me and you work for someone.

Ladyboys. You don't have to worry about me. I'm well traveled. I've got HCMC pretty well mapped out with a little reading of the forum and some tidbits from a few of the regulars, and by regulars I mean guys with 1000s of posts. What do you have to offer? An attitude? I've got plenty of attitude for the both of us. You can leave yours at home. But lets just say I didn't have it figured out. I've got money and when all else fails throw enough money at a problem and it goes away. And although I don't care to overpay I'm also not interested in dehumanizing women that are just trying to feed their family by trying to beat them up over $3. 80. I'll leave that noble task to you and the other Cheap Charlies in the forum.

You guys brag about having private bankers and in the next breath you complain about prices going up 80, 000 VND it's $3. 79 at today's exchange rate. Are you kidding me? What country do you guys have private bankers in? And you're the guy I'm going to get all my information about HCMC from. Why would I want that? I don't live in the gutter nor do I monger in it. Believe it or not there are a lot of guys that think the way I do. Most of them just give up and stay on the sidelines of that argument but I've never been one to shy from a brawl online or in person. Don't tell me how great you are or how much you've contributed. I asked a simple question and U-turned it into a personal thing. Like I've said a few times. What makes you think that I care what you think of me?

Sometimes if you don't have something constructive to say it's better not saying anything at all. Your initial response to me was some half hearted attempt at thumping your chest like some online neanderthal. I hope it made you feel good.

So let me sum all this up. You and I have very little in common. I have no need for your information in HCMC or anywhere else for that matter. Not from you. I'm not sure what your mo was in replying insultingly to a total stranger. Maybe it's a cultural thing. I don't know, nor do I care. We can continue to pollute the forum with this back and forth. Or, since you started it I'll leave it to you to stop it.

Have a good day.

[QUOTE=TumTich;1368233]It's not clear to me if you get in hcmc 12. 30 during day or night, I suppose night as you seem to be worried about what will be still open. You can take a taxi, just before the exit of the airport, on the left side, there are some bank and taxi desks, take Vinasun, cost is 7 or 8 USD, no ripp off, you can also change money almost the same rate as downtown, but I never came so late so I don't know if the desk are still open at night. For the bar, the most close at 1 am or 2 am, but around PNL area some are still open. For sure is open Go2, till 5 am at least, groundfloor to drink. 1. Floor to dance, plenty of girls there. Just around Go2 there are also plenty of bars open till late, just don't take taxi standing there, stop a taxi driving, Vinasum. 27 27 and Mailinh. 38 38 are reliable.[/QUOTE]Correct, I will be arriving very early in the morning. Someone else had mentioned Go2 in PM so I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the taxi info.

Hey guys,

I'm not sure if I am in the right place here, but I will be in Ho chi minh for a few weeks. I am going to live in Phu my hung, skygardenata friends place. Are there any good massage parleurs where girls not only offer HJ or BJ but more? I am looking for 7+ girls, preferable fake tits if possible, money is not a huge concern, but would like to get a fair price. Should be close to that area.

I am new here, thanks

First full that in HCMC. We did the sightseeing thing during the day and the late afternoon took a taxi to Ben Ny. It would take a genius to know this sity streets so the cab driver was a little confused but we got him there. Of course he offered to show us a better place. And for all I know there might be but I wasn't in the mood for options.

Went in and just laid 120K on the front desk and started towards the back. Girl grabbed me but I made it clear that I was picking. Grabbed girl and as you've read in the forum before it's a wipe, braw up, skirt down and the fun starts. My girl was decent. Gave the girl 110K ad she started bitching and said my friend payed 200K. I told her she was full of t and walked out. Stopped at the one closer to the river and the girls actually seemed like a lot of fun. Will do this tomorrow.

After a late afternoon meal I took a nap. After nap we went to Apocalypse now and it was dead. I mean dead. MAybe because it was Sunday. Tried 49, 51, and 91. Some decent girls but a little too hardcore for my tase. Almost pulled one but she quoted 100 USD all in. My buddy got his down to 60 but by that time I was doen with the attitude. Definitely girls at 49 were better looking. Back to the backpacker area to talk to a mama about some scooter girls. This is where I made my first mistake this trip Real rookie mistake. I assumed when I booked hotel that the fact that I picked two guests assure GF. Nope, guy said it was Viet law that they can't be in room with a foreigner. I'm no Viet legal expert but he wasn't budging even at offers of money. Grabbed her abd took her to another place around the corner that had rooms and I guess didn't know the "law." Nice session and I could have stayed with her the night but the air in the room didn't work and it was hot. She was very surprised when I let her go. She was drop dead gorgeous. Definite 8. I'm guessing they knew about it but elected to let me figure it out. The girl was very innocent. From the provinces only a few weeks.

Theres a lot of bars in the Backpackers area that have girls but I di no negotiating.

Definitely not as nice as other mongering destinations but 20 something hotties can defiantly be had. Even the chick at Ben's was nice.

Tomorrow is another day.

Was in HCMC late last year and had a couple of fun encounters.

- CL Couple. They post regularly in the "Casual Encounters" section. Corresponded for some time before my visit and even had a skype chat just to double-check mutual bona fides. When the day finally arrived, I had a lovely encounter. Mostly with the wife, while the husband for the most part just watched and took photos (with my camera, which was my stipulation) which I shared with them afterward. The lady was a fabulous fuck. Really into it, came three times and was very eager to please. I would have preferred it if the husband had joined in a bit more, but this was my first time in the role of "exhibitionist" and I quite enjoyed it, especially given the fact that I was cuckolding the guy (which, I guess was his "thing"). They had wanted a "reward" of $100, which I thought was well worth it for a couple of hours of fun and a bunch of photographs to take home as a souvenir.

- CL Backpacking Girl. This was a completely random encounter. I was trawling through CL after another planned threesome had fallen through and found an interesting post in "Women looking for Men" section. The poster was offering only "companionship" in the form of meeting for drinks or dinner but I thought I'd cut to the chase and see whether she was open for more. Turned out to be a young Dutch girl who had decided to pack her bags and travel round Asia "looking for herself", as it were. We exchanged a few e-mails, worked out the details and it ended up being one of my best bonks of 2012. Definitely right up there as one of the top 3 blowjobs! It was a true GFE as well. She had fabulous lips, was a passionate kisser and, as I already mentioned, gave a magnificent BBBJ, with some of the best ball-licking I've experienced (definitely in the top ten). She has a sweet-tasting kitty too and I was very pleased when she came hard while we were 69-ing. Very pleasant company too and I've kept looking for her on other Asian CL pages since then but haven't come across her again. Wasn't cheap at $250 for 90 minutes but I don't mind being generous with someone like her.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1375899]It would take a genius to know this sity streets.

Went in and just laid 120K on the front desk and started towards the back. Girl grabbed me but I made it clear that I was picking. Grabbed girl and as you've read in the forum before it's a wipe, braw up, skirt down and the fun starts. My girl was decent. Gave the girl 110K ad she started bitching and said my friend payed 200K. I told her she was full of t and walked out.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this up to date info FruitNinja. 38 days until my virgin trip to Vietnam and I am definitely not trying to reinvent the wheel.

I really enjoyed my time in HCMC. Stayed at the Mini Hotel 6 and although initially when I booked they told me girls are not a problem that didn't turn out to be the case. One of the clerks let me in but another said no. She was afraid for her job. I guess the cops do sweeps and if a Viet girl is caught in a room with a foreigner it's problematic. I'm not sure how that is as I was able to get $5-$10 rooms with no issue less than a block away. Oh well.

The Hot Tocs are an amazing deal. YMMV depending on girl selected and her abilities.

Moto girls can be had for about $40 ST. I tried a few and it was hit or miss. Mostly miss. There are some stunners but I didn't find anything close to GFE.

I talked to a guy that had an interesting MO. He's been going for 9 years and he goes to the bars and give the girls his # and tells them if they don't get lucky to give him a call and he'll give them $25 for ST. He says his phone rings constantly. That will be my play the next time.

The few bars I visited 49, 51, 91, weren't that impressive. No shortage of girls but they seemed hard core. Not my cup of tea.

On to Cambo.

If anyone wants number for moto girl set up please PM me.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1377848]...I talked to a guy that had an interesting MO. He's been going for 9 years and he goes to the bars and give the girls his # and tells them if they don't get lucky to give him a call and he'll give them $25 for ST. He says his phone rings constantly. That will be my play the next time...[/QUOTE]I am glad to see that you are learning about the value of money in Asia. That is exactly the way to go. I do the same in Hong Kong (the price is 2.5 times higher due to the overall higher cost of living, but the concept is the same). Of course if she has a chance to make more somewhere else, she'd better go for that.

I really enjoyed my time in HCMC. Stayed at the Mini Hotel 6 and although initially when I booked they told me girls are not a problem that didn't turn out to be the case. One of the clerks let me in but another said no. She was afraid for her job. I guess the cops do sweeps and if a Viet girl is caught in a room with a foreigner it's problematic. I'm not sure how that is as I was able to get $5-$10 rooms with no issue less than a block away. Oh well.

The Hot Tocs are an amazing deal. YMMV depending on girl selected and her abilities.

Moto girls can be had for about $40 ST. I tried a few and it was hit or miss. Mostly miss. There are some stunners but I didn't find anything close to GFE.

I talked to a guy that had an interesting MO. He's been going for 9 years and he goes to the bars and give the girls his # and tells them if they don't get lucky to give him a call and he'll give them $25 for ST. He says his phone rings constantly. That will be my play the next time.

The few bars I visited 49, 51, 91, weren't that impressive. No shortage of girls but they seemed hard core. Not my cup of tea.

On to Cambo.

If anyone wants number for moto girl set up please PM me.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1377848]The Hot Tocs are an amazing deal.

Moto girls can be had for about $40 ST.

I talked to a guy that had an interesting MO. He's been going for 9 years and he goes to the bars and give the girls his # and tells them if they don't get lucky to give him a call and he'll give them $25 for ST. He says his phone rings constantly. That will be my play the next time. If anyone wants number for moto girl set up please PM me.[/QUOTE]Hi FN, nice report. I may have to try that MO, too. Did you find any exceptionally busty girls?

Thanks

[QUOTE=FruitNinja]... I talked to a guy that had an interesting MO. He's been going for 9 years and he goes to the bars and give the girls his # and tells them if they don't get lucky to give him a call and he'll give them $25 for ST. He says his phone rings constantly. That will be my play the next time...[/QUOTE]I am glad to see that you are learning about the value of money in Asia. That is exactly the way to go. I do the same in Hong Kong (the price is 2. 5 times higher due to the overall higher cost of living, but the concept is the same). Of course if she has a chance to make more somewhere else, she'd better go for that.

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1377948]Hi FN, nice report. I may have to try that MO, too. Did you find any exceptionally busty girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I'm not really a big boob guy but I do enjoy them when they are in front of me. My regular 21 year old Indian would be right up your alley. 5'2" about 110lbs and a nice handful. I'll have to post a pic when I get back home.

There are a few big ones in the Hot Tocs and bars. None in the moto girls I saw but I imagine you could ask for that.

FN

Based on PMs received there seems some confusion as to Ben Ny and My Tein location. If you are on the district 1 side of the city you can take a cab. I was not adventuresome enough to try public transportation. It's about a $3-$4 USD cab ride. You need to go over the river and as soon as you do get over the river grab the frontage road on the right hand side. It is a few bocks down. My Tien is back towards the river.

Hi guys,

Going to be in HCMC. Any suggestions of places to buy toys?

Cheers

Hi,

Any idea about the availability of girls near Saigon Exhibition Center, during exhibition times?

I am planning to stay at Ibis Hotel just opposite to the Saigon Exhibition Center.

Is Ibis is GF?

I would apprceciate ypur comments.

TMT

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1377942]I really enjoyed my time in HCMC. Stayed at the Mini Hotel 6 and although initially when I booked they told me girls are not a problem that didn't turn out to be the case. One of the clerks let me in but another said no. She was afraid for her job. I guess the cops do sweeps and if a Viet girl is caught in a room with a foreigner it's problematic. I'm not sure how that is as I was able to get $5-$10 rooms with no issue less than a block away. Oh well.

The Hot Tocs are an amazing deal. YMMV depending on girl selected and her abilities.

Moto girls can be had for about $40 ST. I tried a few and it was hit or miss. Mostly miss. There are some stunners but I didn't find anything close to GFE.

I talked to a guy that had an interesting MO. He's been going for 9 years and he goes to the bars and give the girls his # and tells them if they don't get lucky to give him a call and he'll give them $25 for ST. He says his phone rings constantly. That will be my play the next time.

The few bars I visited 49, 51, 91, weren't that impressive. No shortage of girls but they seemed hard core. Not my cup of tea.

On to Cambo.

If anyone wants number for moto girl set up please PM me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the warning on the hotel.

So what did you do when they don't let the girl in?

Did you still have to pay the girl?

[QUOTE=Timewaster; 1378926]Thanks for the warning on the hotel.

So what did you do when they don't let the girl in?

Did you still have to pay the girl?[/QUOTE]]

There are a lot of hotels in the area. You can grab ST for $5-10 USD. Just walk up and ask. It's not as nice digs and the girl I had for LT I let go after ST because I couldn't get myself to spend the night in the place.

FN

The thread is really dead without any solid information. Benny's is the only consistent review here. I've been here about six months and the backpacking area is the only place I've found full service, and the service was bad. Girls not GFE, and difficult.

I hear things about cheap girls, young girls, sexy girls, cat houses, Internet, but nothing solid. Besides Benny's the only other info here is massage with HJ. I'm starting to miss Thailand again even though I'm sure there's a lot of pussy to be had in sai Gon.

I guess no one wants to sheer on a public forum for fear they will ruin the market.

The best info is shared via PM mate.

Send some senior members a PM and I'm sure someone out there will help out.

[QUOTE=Americanthief; 1385030]The thread is really dead without any solid information. Benny's is the only consistent review here. I've been here about six months and the backpacking area is the only place I've found full service, and the service was bad. Girls not GFE, and difficult.

I hear things about cheap girls, young girls, sexy girls, cat houses, Internet, but nothing solid. Besides Benny's the only other info here is massage with HJ. I'm starting to miss Thailand again even though I'm sure there's a lot of pussy to be had in sai Gon.

I guess no one wants to sheer on a public forum for fear they will ruin the market.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about? If you go back and RTFF for Vietnam over the last 9 months you'll find about FS in Koreatown, FS abd BBBJ in dozens of hostess bars, massage with BBBJ, FS or HJ in parlors and spas, and BBBJCIM in Ben Ny's, My Tien and four or five other hot tocs.

[QUOTE=Kbkbal;1376557]Wasn't cheap at $250 for 90 minutes but I don't mind being generous with someone like her.[/QUOTE]Wow. I can only say wow. No accusaion of spoling the market here, still you're a looser. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1322692]If one wanted to visit the Korean district shops quoted at 650, 000 where would he direct the taxi? Some kind of address or landmark?[/QUOTE]RTFF plenty of info on how to locate.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1321451]Will check it out. What time does this place open and close? My Tien is 150, 000 to the house then a tip to the girl?[/QUOTE]Jeez, this has been discussed for years, tip or not, how much etc. You should RTFF

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1320634]First day in HCMC today. Too tired from mongering in Thailand to get any action. Also saw a lot of stuff I didn't read about here on the forum, so I wanted to see if anyone has any info.

First are the bars on Bui Vien and surrounding streets. They have names like "Ugly Bar" and such. They look a lot like the "hostess" bars in Phnom Penh you go to meet girls, or even the Soi 6 bars in Pattaya (complete with "Hello welcome" calls from the girls sitting outside). Girls sit outside and try to entice you in. Doors are tinted glass so you can't see inside. Do they work the same way (ie. Chat, buy a lady drink or two, then take them out for ST)? Or are these rip off joints where nothing is available but talking, similar to the "juicy bars" in Korea staffed by Filipinas? Any scams to be aware of here like bill jack ups and such? Are these anything like the bars near the river that are often mentioned here with some stuff available on premises and more available in ST rooms? Didn't see any customers inside any of these places. When do they "turn on"?

A lot of massage places around there, everywhere in fact. Same as Thailand. Obviously geared toward tourists but a lot of the women look very good. What kind of rates? Any extras? HE on offer usually here, or do you have to venture elsewhere?

What about the girls walking Pham Ngu Lao talking to foreigners on the sidewalk "you want massage baby"? Saw two in only a few minutes. They tried the guy in front of me, then me. The first one weighed about 70 pounds, legs like rails, looked like an H addict or disease sufferer. The second one wasn't bad looking at all. Read that these girls exist before on mainstream websites before, but don't know the deal with them. How much? Legit? Set up for police?

Saw one Hot Toc with absolutely GORGEOUS girls sitting in front and inside on one of the streets right around there. They looked at me with interest but didn't say anything. Please tell me this is a place where extras are available?

Saw at least a half dozen old white guys walking around with hot Viet women. Where are they pulling them from? PNL? The bars I mentioned? Somewhere else?

Thanks for the info![/QUOTE]RTFF man, if you go back 20 pages or about 9 months you will find the answers to all. By the way, do you live in Vietnam? You talk like an expat expert on everything. So where do you live? Just country and city. I'm not stalking you.

[QUOTE=Americanthief;1387202]RTFF man, if you go back 20 pages or about 9 months you will find the answers to all...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Americanthief;1387195]RTFF plenty of info on how to locate.[/QUOTE]
It is good to see that you read far back. But why dig out and answer posts from August last year that are not relevant anymore ore long answered?

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1326490]You can get a hairwash, a haircut, hair coloring, your nails cut, your ears cleaned, a shoulder rub, etc.

The general rule in VN is (and this goes absolutely in the center of town and strongly but not absolutely in outlying districts) : If it looks from the street like something is happening, then nothing is happening.

JD[/QUOTE]You will get nothing there.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1387408]It is good to see that you read far back. But why dig out and answer posts from August last year that are not relevant anymore ore long answered?[/QUOTE]I think that is americanthief attempt at payback because he asked for info and was told to rtff and he is pointing out that Rick Rock also once asked similar questions. Quite petty but still that seems to be the norm in these forums.

I had been here for the first time some 6 or 7 years ago, and I don't remember much about except that it was a nice town, andI stayed all the time with the girl that pinched my butts in AP.

Now that I'm back, I can really appreciate the value of this place. The town has developed amazingly, and new towers are been built every day. It is clean and safe pretty much everywhere. Quality of life in District 1 beats Bangkok and KL put together, if these towns could sum their very relative qualities, and they can't.

As I gets to understand how it works here, I see how I could be very happy here. Forget the pharmacies and Top Charoen Optical shops, one can do without. And the cheap restaurant anywhere, anytime (more inconvenient, but can still do without). Maybe there is no place like Phuket, or maybe there is, it's up to me to find it. I can relate to people quite easily, they have some sort of firm tranquility not found in Thailand, where with thes smiles all over, one may not understand what is is what. From what I read, law is to be passed that will allow foreigners to old 59% of shares in a company. And customs, regulations and bribing around may be possibly be handled. Just enough to keep one busy and with a good name.

I could go on and one, but have to say. Is not like Saigon has potential. Great things are happening now, if not too late already.

I went to a massage place I'm familiar with, , mainly because I have some free tickets, the VIP room is 300 so I'm assuming reg room is 100-150, last time I got a gal number 24, name is yen. 26yrs old with see cups taht she uses to rub in your face when massaging you and also rub your dick against her breast to get you aroused, very flirty gal.

LAst time I went there maybe because she was menstruating she didn't allow me to finger her, and she gave me a HJ for 150 (I voluntarily gave because she was fun. Breast sucking and long tongue licks of my body) or a BJ for 300 (this she requested) , I went for the HJ last time this time I said ok ill try the BJ for 300, and it was something like what girls do in the porn, quite good technique, she even lifted her leg onto the massage table so I can have full access to her pussy and breasts this time. Over all good time, bug tits, prob a 6. 5-7 in looks fun gal. Cost 300k tho I had a free ticket.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken; 1388297]I went to a massage place I'm familiar with, , mainly because I have some free tickets, the VIP room is 300 so I'm assuming reg room is 100-150, last time I got a gal number 24, name is yen. 26yrs old with see cups taht she uses to rub in your face when massaging you and also rub your dick against her breast to get you aroused, very flirty gal.

LAst time I went there maybe because she was menstruating she didn't allow me to finger her, and she gave me a HJ for 150 (I voluntarily gave because she was fun. Breast sucking and long tongue licks of my body) or a BJ for 300 (this she requested) , I went for the HJ last time this time I said ok ill try the BJ for 300, and it was something like what girls do in the porn, quite good technique, she even lifted her leg onto the massage table so I can have full access to her pussy and breasts this time. Over all good time, bug tits, prob a 6. 5-7 in looks fun gal. Cost 300k tho I had a free ticket.[/QUOTE]If you don't post names / addresses, your posts are useless and proving that other's people accusations are well founded.

Today I got to know the infamous My Tien for the first time. All girls available, minding their business, so I sat and took some time before choosing Ly. Good BBBJCIM by a pretty girl, she insisted for 150K tip, was not taking any less that that, so the total become 270. She would go to an hotel for 1, 200K and FS, sorry ain't going to happen.

On my way back, I took the waterfront walk by the river, that is quite nice. As I got to the next bridge (should be cao Thi Nghe') crossing back to district 1, I saw few girls standing alone or in small groups, all normally dressed. With great peril, I crossed to meet one, let's say 6 in the looks, and the demand was 500K (multiples pops) to an hotel. All in all it seemed reasonable beside I still had plenty to give, so we took a bike to a ST hotel at the end of Phan Van Han, probably it's used also by the Hot Toc girls. There is a clear sign that says 1 hour 60K. 2 hrs 80K, overnight 150K. I gave 100K and was getting not getting change, I pointed to the sign and made the gesture to walk out, got the right change and one condom. In the room the girl was Ok, good attitude, unexpected lower back tattoo, strangely rigid during the act, left a small extra tip, not much else to write home.

As I did go back home by the bridge, only two girls were left, both doable. Saw no other foreigners during all the above. Going back do Dist. 1, walked by a really magnificent restaurant (go there when married a rich Viet lady) , it seemed almost another city.

Hi all. I'm about to move to HCMC for 3 months and have been reading this forum with interest. I'll be staying in district 7 and haven't read anything relating to other districts other than district 1. If there are any services around this area could someone please tell me how far back to go on this forum so I can re-read through it as I've seen reports all to do with around the city centre. I'm happy to rtff and also gain any info for this area.

[QUOTE=Old New Guy;1388588]If you don't post names / addresses, your posts are useless and proving that other's people accusations are well founded.[/QUOTE]At the best is just a titillating contribution, in the best case scenario, making people aware some thing is available. We all know also in Kabul or Jeddah something is available. But how, where, is the big question. I can understand a degree of confidentially about tricky places, but hiding the information of a public place is indeed no good service to ISG folks. Happens a lot in Indian forums, masking the name and locations in a nonsense way. Locations are identifiable (so why mask them?) and venues are visible to any passé by with large signs as "massage". So, again, nonsense confidentiality.

[QUOTE=Kbkbal; 1376557]Was in HCMC late last year and had a couple of fun

- CL Backpacking Girl. Very pleasant company too and I've kept looking for her on other Asian CL pages since then but haven't come across her again. Wasn't cheap at $250 for 90 minutes but I don't mind being generous with someone like her.[/QUOTE]Holy shit. Not flaming but she set quite a good price list for someone traveling Asia "looking for herself". When reading thought you hit a freebie, maybe with some collateral and affordable damages. But 250$ isn't a cheap price for 90'. I don't question each one expenditure, and I have done worst. So, again, not flaming, just observing.

[QUOTE=Old New Guy;1389143]On my way back, I took the waterfront walk by the river, that is quite nice. As I got to the next bridge (should be cao Thi Nghe') crossing back to district 1, I saw few girls standing alone or in small groups, all normally dressed. With great peril, I crossed to meet one, let's say 6 in the looks, and the demand was 500K (multiples pops) to an hotel... As I did go back home by the bridge, only two girls were left, both doable. Saw no other foreigners during all the above.[/QUOTE]Great intel ONG. What time of day was this / What time of day would you recommend going?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1390871]Great intel ONG. What time of day was this / What time of day would you recommend going?[/QUOTE]Hey Mr E. Yesterday I did go again and must have been a little after midnight. I was thinking it was too late but it wasn't, although I think the best time is way earlier than that. There was another girl that I kind of liked, with an elaborate makeup, so I took her. No fuss from the previous one. We went for a few drinks in a Japanese karaoke first. Got a full a good night of action, with quiet attitude willing to please. Asked 700k, gave 800k and she was happy.

Before, I had the Anh from NPK 84 to came over. She quickly failed the interview, asking for 1 mill. For 1 pop / 1hr with zero good vibes. Taxi fare is the only loss in these cases.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1390818]Holy shit. Not flaming but she set quite a good price list for someone traveling Asia "looking for herself". When reading thought you hit a freebie, maybe with some collateral and affordable damages. But 25$0 isn't a cheap price for 90'. I don't question each one expenditure, and I have done worst. So, again, not flaming, just observing.[/QUOTE]You put in correct words what I was too quick and harsh in labeling before. But it struck me, as apparently Western women always find a way out? Kbkbal, man come back when you have more stories, but please watch your wallet in the meanwhile.

[QUOTE=Old New Guy;1390993]You put in correct words what I was too quick and harsh in labeling before. But it struck me, as apparently Western women always find a way out? Kbkbal, man come back when you have more stories, but please watch your wallet in the meanwhile.[/QUOTE]Probably the girl in search of herself had a need to fill the wallet to keep the search, so she cannot be blamed for asking that much. She combined some good and reliable sex (with a westerner) with some income. She probably sensed it was a good shot (no pun intended) , being away from home and the good cause (wallet) , maybe reinforced by an asy approach to sex with strangers, she did not feel she was a WG for a night.

Unless we (myself) are naif and she practices that every time she has a chance to make ends meet.

Good for her.

450a THD a bia om its on the list, was there recently with 3 other guys each taking two girls plus the two mommys. Not sure what playability means but the guys massages tits and kissed, not everyone did the same, they ordered 3 cartons of beer, quite a bit of snacks stayed from 1pm till after 5pm. Bill came to 5. 4m+1. 6 mil tips =7mill. The girls in my mind friendly but cmi, with only two that were decent ie 7ish one being like a shy virgin not very fun, the otehrs 5. 5-6 but with beer belly. I was a observer so the "playabilty" could have been the fault of the male not making any attempts to rabba rabba.

Again this rememnds me why I dislike bia om / KTV, in comparison to the other places I took these guys to.

Massage with BJ by a big titty gal prob a 7 in looks. 300k tip + free ticket worth 100k. Unlimited rabba.

Or BJ cafe. 3 drinks plus a BJ witha slim 7. 5 gal. 150k.

Or cafe om, with a heavily made up gal not much rabba 3 drinks 150k. This was a let down place tho. Total cost 700k cf compared with the 2m+ at the KTV.

FJ place. 650k each, lots girls to choose from I chose so syt 22yr old looks, appearance wise a 7 innocent a cup but perky nipples, in the room, BBBJ, kissing, DATY, very GFE, tho slighly mechanical and the bbj was a little short in time but over all, nothing to comlian about and would repeat if no otehr choices. The friend chose a taller girl but slightly older in appearance looks more mature but more sexy and was reported to be a good fuck, ill try her nexts time or the gal who looks 17 in appearance.

Cafe om, had a slim 25yr old 6. 5-7 sit on his lap and hugging and masaaging, she wore a high collar shirt so it wasnt paossible to massage her breasts but in the past I have massaged her breasts and nipples. But its a cheap and fun way to kill time 2 drinks plus the tip to the gal 120k.

How do I locate the FJ place?

The taxi picked me up at 4am this morning at home in Pattaya. There was the onset of food poisoning from something that I had eaten the night before. On the plane I made it to the bathroom a split second before losing my breakfast. When we arrived at HCM airport the visa on arrival people had to go over to a window. A lady took my passport and letter and stapled my picture to a form that I had to fill out. When I finished the form I turned it back in and soon after they called my name to pay $45 and pick up my passport with my new visa. I left out of the airport and looked for a taxi to take me to my hotel.

As usual I had RTFF and done all my research but was not able to go over everything on the way how I planned because I was sick. I had to take my computer out to see which taxi company I was supposed to be taking. I hopped into a Malinh taxi and he took me to the Hai Long 5 in District 1. The total cost on the meter was 144000 + 10000 for his airport exit.

I went into the hotel but because I had arrived so early the room was not ready so I would have to wait 30 minutes. I was so fucking sick. I ordered a coconut water for 30000. I asked the lady at the desk about tours and she gave me the pages to look over but I was not able to do it until well into the night. When my room was ready I went straight up and got into the bed. I spent the entire day in the bed with many trips to the toilet in between.

At midnight I had enough energy to go downstairs and ask the guy if there was any food around. He offered to order some noodle soup for me which I am eating right now. Before he placed the order I told him that I would hit the streets a few minutes first. He told me to come back in 15 minutes so I set the timer on my phone. As soon as I walked outside and turned right I was approached by a tout offering girls. I told him that I wanted to see them. He made a call and a few minutes later a nice chick arrived as a passenger on a motorbike. He said it would be $40 for the hour. I told him that she was just what the doctor ordered but I would have to check him out tomorrow because I am a little sick.

I continued walking the neighborhood. In front of the Sheraton I was approached by a guy and he took me to an empty office on the second floor of another hotel to wait for girls. I gave the first one who came 2 thumbs up. I asked the guy how much and he said $50. I told him no way. He asked how much I wanted to pay but I never answered. I think tomorrow night when I go for one of these girls I will negotiate $30. My timer started ringing. I told the guy it was my boss calling and I would have to get back. I headed back downstairs passing 3 more girls who were supposed to be on the way up for me to review. I didn't see a bad one out of the bunch. Where are the ugly ones?

On the way back to the hotel another guy pulled me over to see girls in a bar. When 3 girls opened the door together I immediately asked the best one how much. She said how much for what? I said for you. The other girls were talking about drinks and what not but I told them I did not drink. They told me it was $90 for them and $20 for the bar. I hightailed it out of there. Why is everyone talking dollars and not dong?

Hopefully when I get back from Cu Chi tomorrow I will feel well enough to pay a visit to everybody's favorite BJ place as well as the spot Old New Guy reported on the other day. So far I think that HCMC is a very nice place with nice people to match. If you have trouble finding pussy here then something is really wrong.

I went to Apo at midnight. 150K for entrance with a free drink. I stood by the bar and the chick next to me was flirting back and forth. During this stay I bought two more drinks and a water for her. She scanned her VIP card to get the credits. 1:30 came around. Since I have a 4am taxi to the airport and I have been up since 7 am I decided to get the show on the road. I told the girl I was leaving and asked her how much I would have to give her to come with me. She said 2 MILLION. Before I dropped the glass I sat it on the bar and walked out of the club.

As soon as I got outside I was approached by a tout. He told me he had girls for 1 million. I said dude I will pay 600K no more. He asked for 700K but I stuck to my guns. He was about to make a call when a guy wizzed by on a motorbike with a girl in tow. He yelled out and they turned around. I told him that she was too small for my taste. He made a call and ordered up more. I asked him where the hell the girls were coming from. He said they work in the bars, but if I went to the bars it would cost me more money because I would have to buy drinks, then tips, then bar fine, then a higher amount for the actual girl.

This evolution went on 3 more times. Not that the last girl who came was exactly what I wanted but I was more so tired from being up all day and didn't want to stand in the street all night. He told me to fork over the 600K but I told him I would give it to the girl after the deed. He was fine with that. BBBJ and the works. When she took her after shower I got 600K from my secret stash and put it on the bed. She came out and saw it and asked for a tip. I don't usually give tips so I told her the guy told me only 600K. Since she was such a good sport, before she walked out I reached over to my pants and found 100K I had left from the club and gave it to her. She left and went downstairs and reception called to make sure everything was okay before she left out.

[QUOTE=Americanthief;1387202]RTFF man, if you go back 20 pages or about 9 months you will find the answers to all. By the way, do you live in Vietnam? You talk like an expat expert on everything. So where do you live? Just country and city. I'm not stalking you.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't waste much time on this guy. Expert on everything in life. He'll take your info and then probably start spewing like he's the King of HCMC. Oh yeah, he's a big swinging wall street type living in Manhattan. Probably a home in the Hamptons. LOL.

He's got a wife that doesn't mind him mongering other than when he can't buy groceries because of it. Oh yeah, she swings too, they have one of those open marriages, he travels buys hookers and then comes back and she's waiting to go swinging.

Everybody wants to be RR. I certainly do.

I'm in HCM now and find it is extremely easy and safe to get FS.

All you need to do is walk down HBT or DongKhoi on the southern end (near the ferry).

They will bring the girls to you to look at. If you agree then it is $40 for 1 hour plus $10 mini-hotel fee depending on whether you need it or not.

I have some of the pimp phone numbers if anyone is interested. But it is not necessary. They will find you if you are in the area.

I have to be at work by 7:30am, my serviced apartment locks it's doors at 11pm, sure I can knock and they'll let me in but it makes trouble and they get revenge on me. What I'm saying is I can't be out late when all the action is happening.

So where should I go? Weekends aren't an option. I meet my girlfriends those days.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1393402]I asked him where the hell the girls were coming from. He said they work in the bars, but if I went to the bars it would cost me more money because I would have to buy drinks, then tips, then bar fine, then a higher amount for the actual girl.[/QUOTE]He's not telling the truth. Imagine a motorbike driver like that guy poked his head into one of the HBT bars and asked for a girl to come with him. And she will go for far less money than she would charge from the bar (just her fee I mean-at the bar she would get something like 1. 2 million for ST) , the bar would get nothing (so why let her leave?) and of course these girls would need to get changed into street clothes, they wear sexy dresses inside those bars. Those girls on the backs of motorbikes are not from the bars. The drivers are not willing to tell the truth about where they do really come from.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1395895]Those girls on the backs of motorbikes are not from the bars. The drivers are not willing to tell the truth about where they do really come from.[/QUOTE]Well they must have their lies together then because when I asked the girl who I hit she told me the same thing. It was never a driver I dealt with. It was always that I was on the street and a guy on foot approached asking if I wanted a girl. When I said yes, they would make a call and the girl would show up on the back of a bike.

All the girls that the guys called for me were dressed the same as the girls I saw in the bar, in like a short sexy dress. So where do you say they come from? As soon as the guy makes the call they show up in like 2 minutes. The same when the guy took me to the hotel and made a call and 3 girls showed up in less than 5 minutes.

Damn near the same thing happens in Thailand. The girls who work in the gogo bar go for $80 or so, but if you catch them when they are off work and at the disco you just pay $30 for all night. Different venues have different prices, but some of the same girls migrate between venues.

But what the guy said makes a lot of business since to me. A girl is sitting in a bar doing nothing and not making anything. Why not run out for an hour and do a side job? Of course it will be less than the normal bar cost and everyone still has to get their cut, but some money is better than no money.

I never had someone on a bike just come up to me like I have read reports about. And I didn't see any of the ladyboys on bikes that some people report about either. I stayed at Hai Long 5 in District 1, right around the corner from Apocalypse Now. Maybe it goes down like that in a different area from where I was.

Apologies for the delay with this as this happened in early Feb, just before Tet. The details are a little fuzzy as a result. I would like to start by saying that members generally warned me about the lack of action, mainly freelance, before my visit. I arrived in the evening and got a local sim card at the airport. My hotel was the 70 hotel on Bui Vien. Just a few doors from Go2 bar. Small and family run but I had agreed to be able to take ladies in when I booked. My first stop was Hai Ba Trung. I hit one of the bars and was surprised at the style with mamasan etc. Bit disappointed as drinks pricey and girls quoted at $60 for ST to go to my hotel. I tried a trick that was reported here by another member, with one of the few girls that came up to me to strike conversation. I quietly asked her if she had a mobile and wanted to call me if she ever wanted to do business for $25. She refused completely. Leaving there, I headed to Go2. Soon after sitting there, which was quite busy with tourists, a well-dressed, plain-looking Vietnamese lady gestured to me from afar. I agreed for her to join me. Soon we were chatting and the conversation soon turned to business. We eventually agreed on 800k for 2 hrs at my hotel with all items on my menu being agreed. Said she was late 30's or early 40's and looked it. Quite heavily built by Viet standards. Lives a far way out of town and visits with a friend who she said had just gone home. Back at the hotel, she had a nice pair of average size tits, bit of a belly and was surprisingly shaven. She spoke decent english too. DATY was good and her oral techniques were good. DFK was decent too. Sex was average due to her size and video / pics were fine. Took her number as she said she might be able to arrange a pregnant girl.

Next day the girl from night before said she didn't want to arrange pregnant girl because it would mean 'bad luck' for her. Unfortunately, like a few other places during my trip, the previous experience turned out to be 'beginner's luck'. Over the next 3 nights, I visited the other spots reported previously, such as the disco on Ly Tu Trong (can't remember the name, but just lots of wealthy young locals with no seating and loud music so walked out after one drink) and another bar similar to Go2 and nearby. No sign of any girls. I always ended up back at Go2 and was known as the 'water man' as I found that to be the best value drink there. The 2nd night, I saw the same girl from night before and she sat with me and her friend who was a hot 20-yr old. There was another working girl at the bar and she was quite hot too. The girls I was sat with tried to negotiate with her for me but she insisted on 1mil for an hour. I ended up asking the friend and she asked how much and I offered 700k and she refused. Annoyed I didn't negotiate further. She soon left with a young japanese guy who showed up and I think she actually had a hotel room nearby. A couple of nights I saw the same sexy lady with a tattoo on the back of her neck walking around the bar. Presumed she was a working girl but she never tried to get my attention and I presumed she would be out of my budget anyway. The girl from the first night always wanted me to see her again but I kept putting her off. I decided I would offer her 500k if I hadn't got a better option on my last night. I had seen her on the Thurs night and she was in Go2 with her friend on the Fri. She was nowhere to be seen on Sat and on my last night (Sun) I texted her and she replied she doesn't work at weekends and was happy to see me on Mon for 500k! Alas it was not to be. She had even said before that she would allow cum on her face next time I saw her. I did see what I suspected were motorbike girls parked up on the crossroads that Go2 is on but never explored that option due to language issues and concerns I might be wrong! For various reasons, any venue other than my hotel room for action was not an option, so that cut down a lot of opportunities. In closing, not one of the best mongering locations in my opinion but more freelance opportunities than some members had me believe. As someone has said before, I have to agree that the best place for Viet ladies at decent prices has to be Cambodia, in my experience.

DL

There was one curious event that I missed. Just before leaving the hotel for the airport, I asked reception who had been cleaning my room in order tp tip them. I searched on every floor with the name I was given and was directed to a lady who was older. She spoke passable english and was really grateful for the tip. The unusual part was when she started conversation about me and everything. I found myself having a similar conversation as I do when talking to a freelancer! She said she was 43 and had kids. When she found out I was single she started saying she was surprised as I was so handsome etc. She even said she 'loved' me (I presume she meant she fancied me). In parting I told her she was beautiful and she even allowed us to kiss each other on the cheek. Not sure exactly what her intentions were but I suspect she was open to P4P and am sure I could have achieved this if I had more time and had met her earlier in my stay.

after reading the hcmc for a while and finally getting over here to vn, i walked into benny's schooled thanks to this forum. so the first part went smoothly and i plonked 120 down on the desk and kept walking. then followed the girl into the cubicle and did the business which was as described here in the forum. must say it was great! second part not so great. after the deed i opened my wallet to fish out another 120 for her but she was very firm on 200 and wouldn't let me leave until i ponied up another 80. i told her no and only offered another 20 but she was adamant she was getting 200. anyway i fucked up and caved in. next time i will have 120 prepared to hand over in my pocket so she doesn't see the wad of cash when i open my wallet. for any first timers to benny's i recommend not flashing a wallet full of cash because then it's an invitation for them to demand more. not sure i'll go that far next time as i'm staying in q7, but are there any recommendations for around this area? i know there's korea town but is there a street in korea town where they all are or are they rep001tered all around q7? apologies again for inflating the market. she got me at a vulnerable moment.

OK, the ones who go around on the backs of bikes, those would never be from the HBT bars. Now that I look at details of your story, if this is happening in the early morning hours after the HBT bars close, then I suppose it is possible some of those girls are doing this after work to try to get extra business. I still have my doubts though. You know what, there might be a way to find out. If you go with one of these girls, ask her which bar she works in. Then go there later and see if she really does or not.

There have always been touts working in that general area of District 1 who would approach foreigners and then bring girls over for them to go with, but always one at a time. Those guys don't seem to want anyone to know where the girls are being kept. (I would like to have known so I could have gone there and chose the one I want rather than have to wait around for the one the tout chose, then say No, then wait again for the next possible candidate. Such a ridiculous system).

About the costumes they wear, whenever the girls leave the bar they get changed into street clothes. So if they are wearing the bar costumes out on the street, that would also seem suspect. They could be doing that to give the impression that they work in the bars.

Anyway, it is possible I'm wrong. But to me it seems like this doesn't totally add up, and it's easy to imagine why the tout would lie and make that claim.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1396300]OK, the ones who go around on the backs of bikes, those would never be from the HBT bars. Now that I look at details of your story, if this is happening in the early morning hours after the HBT bars close, then I suppose it is possible some of those girls are doing this after work to try to get extra business.[/QUOTE]The times I had the touts call the girls was from midnight until 2am. The touts are out much earlier but at the earlier times I kept telling them no.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1396300]There have always been touts working in that general area of District 1 who would approach foreigners and then bring girls over for them to go with, but always one at a time. Those guys don't seem to want anyone to know where the girls are being kept. (I would like to have known so I could have gone there and chose the one I want rather than have to wait around for the one the tout chose, then say No, then wait again for the next possible candidate. Such a ridiculous system). [/QUOTE]You are telling me? Take me to the source so I can choose my own damn girl and save us all a lot of time.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1396451]The times I had the touts call the girls was from midnight until 2am. The touts are out much earlier but at the earlier times I kept telling them no.[/QUOTE]Oh, but in your post you had said it was 1:30am. That would actually be a plausible hour at which they might be able to show you real HBT girls. Most of those bars seem to close at around 1am these days, so it's right after that when you see them all on their way home, going to get their motorbikes or else congregating together somewhere before heading home. But I doubt there's any bars closing as early as 12 these days. I can't believe the bars are going to let these motorbike guys come in (at midnight or so) and grab girls to go show some tourist. Why would they. The girl is their property, she's what helps the bar make money. And the motorbike guy surely isn't going to pay a bar fine for her just on the chance that the tourist will say yes.

I know you're a very experienced guy, know the ropes pretty well. I'm just saying, this story of theirs doesn't quite make sense, unless this is some major recent change in how things work. Possible, I suppose. But hey they are touts. Touts lie. I'll be honest, I'm not totally sure this is BS. But if I was going to place a bet, that's what I'd put money on.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1396726]Oh, but in your post you had said it was 1:30am. That would actually be a plausible hour at which they might be able to show you real HBT girls. Most of those bars seem to close at around 1am these days, so it's right after that when you see them all on their way home, going to get their motorbikes or else congregating together somewhere before heading home. But I doubt there's any bars closing as early as 12 these days. I can't believe the bars are going to let these motorbike guys come in (at midnight or so) and grab girls to go show some tourist. Why would they. The girl is their property, she's what helps the bar make money. And the motorbike guy surely isn't going to pay a bar fine for her just on the chance that the tourist will say yes.

I know you're a very experienced guy, know the ropes pretty well. I'm just saying, this story of theirs doesn't quite make sense, unless this is some major recent change in how things work. Possible, I suppose. But hey they are touts. Touts lie. I'll be honest, I'm not totally sure this is BS. But if I was going to place a bet, that's what I'd put money on.[/QUOTE]I have had gals from Smiley and other bars come to me before and after work. One even came for a quickie when sh was doing the dinner run for the others!

But as Wendella says they are always in street clothes and always careful that the bar does not find out.

Read most of the last 10 pages of this thread and one thing I am surprised to not see mentioned is picking up freelancers at clubs, I have a buddy who lives there and says they are everywhere, you can't not find them, yet on here all the talk is of hot tocs, massage parlors, and getting drinks at cafe's and chatting with a cutie?

He also says just walking on the street he gets asked every day.

He's not the bs'ing type so I totally believe what he says, so why don't I read about that on here at all?

[QUOTE=Dante2; 1397194]Read most of the last 10 pages of this thread and one thing I am surprised to not see mentioned is picking up freelancers at clubs, I have a buddy who lives there and says they are everywhere, you can't not find them, yet on here all the talk is of hot tocs, massage parlors, and getting drinks at cafe's and chatting with a cutie?

He also says just walking on the street he gets asked every day.

He's not the bs'ing type so I totally believe what he says, so why don't I read about that on here at all?[/QUOTE]Dante,

You need to know most ISG member go to Vietnam just to visit for a short time not like your friend that live there and speak vietnamese, when I was there last yr only a few days on business don't have time to look for freebie you need to know this is a mongering site not a dating site.

Fast Eddie 48

Freelancer is a hooker working without an organisation or building or pimp or moto guy.

Freebie is a chick who will bang you without money or remuneration of any kind.

Why don't people talk much about Freelancers? Everyone knows the bar you go to find them in and they are mentioned on here. 50% of the girls in Apocalpyse Now or Go2 at 3am will be p4p. Most other upmarket clubs have a smattering of them that are harder find. Lots more semi-pro's in no sex service industry but requires time / language skills to develop.

E. G I met a hot hooker in a club at 2am called Nguyen.

Do you think if you go to the same club at the same time you'll meet her?

What are you talking about eddie? For one I never mentioned my friend speaks vietnamese because he doesn't, two he has only lived there for a few months and has said he has seen freelancers out at clubs every night.

Maybe you arent familiar with the term freelancer but it certainly has nothing to do with freebies.

[QUOTE=DavePuppy; 1397796]Freelancer is a hooker working without an organisation or building or pimp or moto guy.

Freebie is a chick who will bang you without money or remuneration of any kind.

Why don't people talk much about Freelancers? Everyone knows the bar you go to find them in and they are mentioned on here. 50% of the girls in Apocalpyse Now or Go2 at 3am will be p4p. Most other upmarket clubs have a smattering of them that are harder find. Lots more semi-pro's in no sex service industry but requires time / language skills to develop.

E. G I met a hot hooker in a club at 2am called Nguyen.

Do you think if you go to the same club at the same time you'll meet her?[/QUOTE]A word of advice. A freebie is never really a freebie. Help with school fees, medical expenses etc etc. Damn I even bought one a washing machine!

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1397676]Dante,

You need to know most ISG member go to Vietnam just to visit for a short time not like your friend that live there and speak vietnamese, when I was there last yr only a few days on business don't have time to look for freebie you need to know this is a mongering site not a dating site.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]There are so-called freebies everywhere. Sales assistants, waittreses etc etc. Just sit at an outdoor coffee shop on Dong Khoi in the morning and smile and say good morning to every pretty one that walks past. If you get a response (even a smile) follow up. Some of them are a bit shy because their english is not so good.

[QUOTE=Dante2;1397194]Read most of the last 10 pages of this thread and one thing I am surprised to not see mentioned is picking up freelancers at clubs, I have a buddy who lives there and says they are everywhere[/QUOTE]I mentioned club freelancers in my report over a week ago. I also mentioned that I was not interested in paying 2 million dong for them! Make no mistake though, the girls in Apocalypse Now were hands down the best looking women that I saw on my entire 10-day trip to 4 cities in Vietnam. I tried taking pictures with the spy cam on my cell phone but it was entirely too dark in the club so they didn't turn out well.

P.S. If you look in the HCMC Bars and Clubs thread then you may see reports on picking up freelancers at clubs!

[QUOTE=Sudsoz;1398192]A word of advice. A freebie is never really a freebie. Help with school fees, medical expenses etc etc. Damn I even bought one a washing machine![/QUOTE]A freebie is a freebie for guys like me who know how to say no. One of my freebies wrote to me yesterday saying that her friend's daughter is very sick and does not have money to buy medicine. She said it is expensive and the hospital doesn't want to help because they already owe too much. She asked if I could send something because it is an emergency. She said if I can help then god will bless me.

The first thing I thought about was what the fuck does that have to do with me? Daughter of a friend? You mean to tell me the relatives and friends of the mother and father of this child are not at liberty to help, your friends and relatives are not at liberty to help, but you would dare ask a person who is a total stranger to the child to help? Does she not realize that I have my own bills, problems, child, relatives, and friends to be concerned about? I wrote her back and told her, "That charity does not exist."

[QUOTE=DavePuppy; 1397796]Freelancer is a hooker working without an organisation or building or pimp or moto guy.

Freebie is a chick who will bang you without money or remuneration of any kind.

Why don't people talk much about Freelancers? Everyone knows the bar you go to find them in and they are mentioned on here. 50% of the girls in Apocalpyse Now or Go2 at 3am will be p4p. Most other upmarket clubs have a smattering of them that are harder find. Lots more semi-pro's in no sex service industry but requires time / language skills to develop.

E. G I met a hot hooker in a club at 2am called Nguyen.

Do you think if you go to the same club at the same time you'll meet her?[/QUOTE]Hi Dave,

Two things. 1) There is no such thing as an 'upmarket' club in Vietnam. Vietnam has nothing upmarket, hi-class or classy or whatever terms anyone uses. There are some places that are much more expensive than others though.

2) Your definition of a freelancer above is correct, but do you think any of the girls you meet or see in a place like AN are really freelancers according to that definition? FYI, they are not, although they do want it to appear that way. It's just part of the illusion. Any real freelancer would go at a much lower rate. Those girls are lucky if they take away 500k from a 2 mil. AN pickup.

JD

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1398332]I mentioned club freelancers in my report over a week ago. I also mentioned that I was not interested in paying 2 million dong for them! Make no mistake though, the girls in Apocalypse Now were hands down the best looking women that I saw on my entire 10-day trip to 4 cities in Vietnam. I tried taking pictures with the spy cam on my cell phone but it was entirely too dark in the club so they didn't turn out well.

P. S. If you look in the HCMC Bars and Clubs thread then you may see reports on picking up freelancers at clubs![/QUOTE]Ok I remember you talking about getting quoted 2 million dong, did you try to negotiate? How late was this? And did you try many girls or just the one?

Thanks about the HCMC bars and clubs thread tip on my way over soon.

[QUOTE=DavePuppy;1397796]Why don't people talk much about Freelancers? Everyone knows the bar you go to find them in and they are mentioned on here. 50% of the girls in Apocalpyse Now or Go2 at 3am will be p4p.[/QUOTE]No everyone doesn't, someone who has never been to vietnam (like me) will have no clue which clubs are the best for finding freelancers, which is why I asked.

[QUOTE=Johndao; 1398560]Hi Dave,

Two things. 1) There is no such thing as an 'upmarket' club in Vietnam. Vietnam has nothing upmarket, hi-class or classy or whatever terms anyone uses. There are some places that are much more expensive than others though.

2) Your definition of a freelancer above is correct, but do you think any of the girls you meet or see in a place like AN are really freelancers according to that definition? FYI, they are not, although they do want it to appear that way. It's just part of the illusion. Any real freelancer would go at a much lower rate. Those girls are lucky if they take away 500k from a 2 mil. AN pickup.

JD[/QUOTE]Hi JD.

1. I'd disagree here. Whether you (or I) think the places are upmarket is beside the point. I don't think upmarket and classy are synonyms. I'm talking purely in Vietnamese market terms there is a top end of the market which appeals to those with more disposable cash. There might be nothing classy by your standards but that's not to say that Chill or Sin Lounge wouldn't be classy by other standards and they are definitely at the top the market. Semantics perhaps.

2. I honestly didn't know that. I'd naively assumed that these girls were not controlled.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz;1398193]There are so-called freebies everywhere. Sales assistants, waittreses etc etc. Just sit at an outdoor coffee shop on Dong Khoi in the morning and smile and say good morning to every pretty one that walks past. If you get a response (even a smile) follow up. Some of them are a bit shy because their english is not so good.[/QUOTE]Sudsoz,

I don't have the time to waste only in HMC short time for business only a few hr at night so head straight to HBT bar or the hot toc or have pimp to bring me girl to the hotel didn't even go to Korean Town.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Johndao;1398560]It's just part of the illusion. Any real freelancer would go at a much lower rate. Those girls are lucky if they take away 500k from a 2 mil. AN pickup.[/QUOTE]So then how does it work at AN?

Does that mean you can do it as much as you like? Or how does it work.

Hi Guys in there.

Are the Hotels in HCMC generally gal friendly, as in BKK, last time I was there they asked me to let the gal go around midnight, However I am getting a freesbie this time, so want to check if it is ok

Should I get the gal also registered?

Your comments will be appreciated.

Have fun, will post my expereinces with Viet gals

Will be in HCMC in a few weeks. Staying only a couple of nights, so I hope to make the most of it. I'm from the ASEAN region as well, so I'm guessing there would be similarities in the system in HCMC from my country. Back home, I do try to stick with the middle to high end fare which some would probably find obscene especially in my country. That's why I've tried looking for escorts online. However, what I've seen on their sites seem too good to be true. (vietnamescortgirl?) Anyone tried their services? Rejection rate seems reasonable. In any case, been in correspondence with them and they seem to be confident of being able to get their girls in and even stay overnight even in 4-5 star hotels. Any thoughts on these kinds of services? Kinda steep but worth it if the pics are real. (Haven't been able to scrounge up any info on these sites especially in the HCMC forums. Only a short negative comment on a different agency on the hanoi pages.)

I'm also looking to go explore bars like APO and Go2. In my country, we have LA Cafe, which, like someone already mentioned somewhere in these forums, are unlike the bars in Vietnam since LA Cafe are mostly FL WGs and mostly catering to expats and foreigners. Are the bars like APO and Go2 similar in this aspect? I know there are locals as well in these bars but would the ratio be closer to 50/50 than 80/20? Is this similar to the beach club in KL?

Lastly, I guess the path of least resistance is going to HBT bars. Now, the system here is totally unfamiliar to me. I've read being able to get BJ's and some action upstairs, but am I correct in assuming that these are not full service? I've read that there are pool tables and seem like a loft type. Are there rooms or is it just a marginal upgrade of privacy from downstairs? Also, would these bars also cater mostly to foreigners than locals?

Really hoping to get a productive mongering trip out of this. Thanks for any help and advise anyone could give.

BTW, have no idea about internet sensorship in vietnam. Will I be able to access the forums using the hotel internet?

[QUOTE=QC Boy; 1403327]Will be in HCMC in a few weeks. Staying only a couple of nights, so I hope to make the most of it. I'm from the ASEAN region as well, so I'm guessing there would be similarities in the system in HCMC from my country. Back home, I do try to stick with the middle to high end fare which some would probably find obscene especially in my country. That's why I've tried looking for escorts online. However, what I've seen on their sites seem too good to be true. (vietnamescortgirl?) Anyone tried their services? Rejection rate seems reasonable. In any case, been in correspondence with them and they seem to be confident of being able to get their girls in and even stay overnight even in 4-5 star hotels. Any thoughts on these kinds of services? Kinda steep but worth it if the pics are real. (Haven't been able to scrounge up any info on these sites especially in the HCMC forums. Only a short negative comment on a different agency on the hanoi pages.)

I'm also looking to go explore bars like APO and Go2. In my country, we have LA Cafe, which, like someone already mentioned somewhere in these forums, are unlike the bars in Vietnam since LA Cafe are mostly FL WGs and mostly catering to expats and foreigners. Are the bars like APO and Go2 similar in this aspect? I know there are locals as well in these bars but would the ratio be closer to 50/50 than 80/20? Is this similar to the beach club in KL?

Lastly, I guess the path of least resistance is going to HBT bars. Now, the system here is totally unfamiliar to me. I've read being able to get BJ's and some action upstairs, but am I correct in assuming that these are not full service? I've read that there are pool tables and seem like a loft type. Are there rooms or is it just a marginal upgrade of privacy from downstairs? Also, would these bars also cater mostly to foreigners than locals?

Really hoping to get a productive mongering trip out of this. Thanks for any help and advise anyone could give.

BTW, have no idea about internet sensorship in vietnam. Will I be able to access the forums using the hotel internet?[/QUOTE]I don't no how far you want to go or how much you want to spend, it could be a quick blow and go or the full Monty. Just a quick search onthis site found a report about the famous Ben Ny's

Here is a report from a patron which is not me, but he gives a better description.

"Ben Ny's is a hair salon (hot toc) offering inexpensive blowjobs from hot young women in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.

As I explained in my earlier entry on blowjob bars around the world, the set up for cock suck shops in Vietnam is a bit different than it is at a straightforward place like Dr BJ's in Bangkok. In Ho Chi Minh City you can get your knob polished at specialized 'hair salons' for a few bucks. Ben Ny's is one such shop.

Ben Ny's location isn't exactly what I'the call discreet. It's on a main road, right out in the open, and has a big obvious sign. The sign doesn't say 'get your meat swallowed here, ' but people in the neighborhood would probably know what you're going in for anyway. You can reach the place by taxi, motor taxi, or on foot. If you get a ride, make sure you tell them you're going to Bihn Thanh District. Otherwise you may be taken to a different place with the exact same address in a different district. It shouldn't cost more than a few bucks from basically anywhere in the city.

Once you arrive at the shop the process is simple enough. When you walk through the door you'll be in a small lobby. Hand the woman at the front desk 120, 000 dong. Don't ask 'how much' or hesitate. If you do, you're just asking to be ripped off. The standard rate to the house is 120, 000 ($6 US).

After you pay, one of the numerous women standing in the hallway will take you to the next room. You can pick a woman you like if you go out of your way, but it's not standard practice. I just let whoever is next in line take me back, and that's never been a bad move.

The women who work here seem to range in age from 19 to about 24 or 25. Most are above average in looks. There are at least two dozen women on staff at any given time. During the day the women here wear cute shirts and short puffy skirts. At night they wear short dresses. They are a lot less busy during the day. There is a bit of a surge in customers around the afternoon rush hour.

After you are partnered up, you'll be taken to a row of barber chairs. There will probably be one or two Vietnamese guys already there. Your masseuse will give you a light massage on your shoulders and head. This is also the time she'll engage in some small talk. If you can't speak Vietnamese, this part won't last long at all. No worries though, all of the women who work here seem to be rather upbeat and happy, even if you're a foreigner with no grasp of the local language.

Next you'll be taken into one of the many cubicles behind the barber chair set up. These are small rooms with thin walls and frosted glass windows. The doors do shut and lock, but that's about as far as it goes for privacy. There is another reclining chair here. You'll sit it, pull down your pants and underwear, and lay back. Your masseuse will clean off your unit with a wet napkin and then go to work.

Most girls will pull their bottoms down to give you some hands on access, but some will not. All of them will get their jugs out for you to play with. And they are usually very nice. Perky, firm, vibrant with plenty of life in them!

The technique here is surprisingly good, especially if you compare it with what's available in neighboring countries. As opposed to the usual mechanical action you get in Thailand or the reluctant nothingness of a suck job in Cambodia (if you can even get one at all) , the women who work here are really masters of their craft. I won't say they're better than some of the well experience western women who really know how to work a shaft or take you down the hatch nuts deep, but they definitely know what they're doing. I'm willing to bet that you will launch your load before very long.

After you shoot, you'll be cleaned up with more wet naps. Your temporary date will usually keep the sticky stuff in her mouth until she finishes tidying up your tidbits. When she's done, she'll spit it out. A lot of the girls who work here are very good-natured and humorous. They make even try to play some practical joke on you. You'll have to visit to see what I mean.

After you're cleaned up and dressed, but before you leave the cubicle, you should tip. The standard is 100, 000 dong, but you can go up to 150, 000 dong if you feel you received really good service. Some guys report tipping as much as 250, 000, but that's really well above and beyond what is expected.

As a very convenient and inexpensive place to get your sausage vacuum packed by hot young Asian women will little hassle, Ben Ny's is pretty tough to beat. For that reason I give it a pretty high rating. Ben Ny's 'wash and blow' gets a solid 4 stars from me.

If you get tired of this place, there is another with the same set up and price only a few doors down. It's called My Tien and it's located at 110 Dien Bien Phu. Enjoy."

I think the going tip is know 200, 000 but you can always flash 150. 00 and see how you go.

Then there is the Korean section near the airport, wam bam thank you mam.

If you want to spend megger dollars for the same result ie (vietnamescortgirl) all I can say is all love shutes are the same especially when your half pissed and the lights are out.

Skip

Appreciate your info, Thanks.

[QUOTE=QC Boy; 1403327]Will be in HCMC in a few weeks. Staying only a couple of nights, so I hope to make the most of it. I'm from the ASEAN region as well, so I'm guessing there would be similarities in the system in HCMC from my country. Back home, I do try to stick with the middle to high end fare which some would probably find obscene especially in my country. That's why I've tried looking for escorts online. However, what I've seen on their sites seem too good to be true. (vietnamescortgirl?) Anyone tried their services? Rejection rate seems reasonable. In any case, been in correspondence with them and they seem to be confident of being able to get their girls in and even stay overnight even in 4-5 star hotels. Any thoughts on these kinds of services? Kinda steep but worth it if the pics are real. (Haven't been able to scrounge up any info on these sites especially in the HCMC forums. Only a short negative comment on a different agency on the hanoi pages.)

I'm also looking to go explore bars like APO and Go2. In my country, we have LA Cafe, which, like someone already mentioned somewhere in these forums, are unlike the bars in Vietnam since LA Cafe are mostly FL WGs and mostly catering to expats and foreigners. Are the bars like APO and Go2 similar in this aspect? I know there are locals as well in these bars but would the ratio be closer to 50/50 than 80/20? Is this similar to the beach club in KL?

Lastly, I guess the path of least resistance is going to HBT bars. Now, the system here is totally unfamiliar to me. I've read being able to get BJ's and some action upstairs, but am I correct in assuming that these are not full service? I've read that there are pool tables and seem like a loft type. Are there rooms or is it just a marginal upgrade of privacy from downstairs? Also, would these bars also cater mostly to foreigners than locals?

Really hoping to get a productive mongering trip out of this. Thanks for any help and advise anyone could give.

BTW, have no idea about internet sensorship in vietnam. Will I be able to access the forums using the hotel internet?[/QUOTE]For full service, you need to take the girl back to your hotel or mini-hotel. But there is a bar fine. I don't remember the amount.

Yes. The place caters only to tourists. Locals are not even allowed in.

Skippy boy's report is accurate except for the evaluation of the girls. IMHO the women are all overweight and middle aged.

None of them are hot except for then receptionist who isn't available.

[QUOTE=Americanthief;1403768]Skippy boy's report is accurate except for the evaluation of the girls. IMHO the women are all overweight and middle aged.[/QUOTE]Huh? Are you talking about the girls at Ben Nys. IMO, the girls are ugly, but most are not middle aged and overweight.

I just went to Ben NYS about 1 hour ago after work. Yes the girls are ugly. They all have a few extra pounds or kilos.

They are not spring chickens, but not old hags either. 25-35 maybe.

We all have different opinions on what is attractive.

Having said that I got. Good BJ at a great price of $16 total.

One weird thing is there was a secondary school girl sitting behind the reception desk. I've seen her there before. Probably her family's business, still strange.

To see her hanging out there after school,

Oh, and they built a little door around the desk too add more privacy, I like it.

Fucking traffic here is making me mental on top of the noise pollution.

[QUOTE=Skippyboy; 1403442]I don't no how far you want to go or how much you want to spend, it could be a quick blow and go or the full Monty. Just a quick search onthis site found a report about the famous Ben Ny's

If you want to spend megger dollars for the same result ie (vietnamescortgirl) all I can say is all love shutes are the same especially when your half pissed and the lights are out.

Skip[/QUOTE]Appreciate the info and to a certain extent agree with you on your last statement. However, being from the PI, I have easy access for that kind of stuff and over the years, I've grown tired and have been skipping the 50-75 USD massage parlor routine for what some of us in local forums call "fine dining". The likes of little known models who may or have graced pages of some known men's magazines. Expensive, yes, but some of these girls of the type have been known to become somewhat known and thus, may sort of tick some of what is on my bucket list. I usually don't mind paying more for girls who are more exclusive or are from decent families or are just out there to get extra, especially if they look the part. However, no way would I also pay for the exact same girl I can get from a gentlemen's club especially at a much lowr rate. I guess I'm not in it to only to get laid (of course I'd still need/want to), but more for the entire experience and hopefully it is something that I will always remember. vI hope I don't get flamed for any of these comments. To each his own right?

In any case, I'm not necessarily looking for the high end escorts in HCMC. From when I posted, I've been able to read more thoroughly the other HCMC forum topics. The HBT bars will be on the top of my list especially the hotties that have been talked about from 91 HBT. And don't worry, I won't try to throw the curve by overpaying. Hope I can fare well in this aspect, for a HCMC newbie. BTW, I know its better to arrive early than late, but what time do the HBT bars really open and close? I've read some say around 12mn but I've also read some leaving at 12 with a girl for a mini hotel and still having time to come back with the bar still open.

As for vietnamescortgirl, its a last fallback and a bridge I'd rather not cross, mainly because of the amount involved. However, if all else fails, and if my obsession with model types prevail, would anyone know if this agency (or any other) is legit?

[QUOTE=QC Boy;1403937]As for vietnamescortgirl, its a last fallback and a bridge I'd rather not cross, mainly because of the amount involved. However, if all else fails, and if my obsession with model types prevail, would anyone know if this agency (or any other) is legit?[/QUOTE]There is no legitimate escort agency anywhere in VN. There are however people who will procure for you human sex slaves. VN is a world center of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].

why even come to vietnam if you're obsessed with model types? places like osaka and tokyo have j idols you can take on a dolan and fuck, and there are plenty of agencies that legally supply the models.

these vietnamese girls are self proclaimed models, in fact the real models of vietnam are **** teens, but if you want to believe in your fantasy that your fucking a model for $350 an hour who am i to care? it's your money to do as you please.

by the way, just an fyi i'm also a model. i've been in magazines and have a website and facebook page and twitter.

[QUOTE=Americanthief;1404507]Why even come to Vietnam if you're obsessed with model types?[/QUOTE]Because he has other shit to do there. Some people don't only travel just to fuck women, but while they are there...

[QUOTE=Americanthief;1404507]if you want to believe in your fantasy that your fucking a model for $350 an hour who am I to care?[/QUOTE]You can put a wig on a pig and mark up the price and many guys would go for it just because it costs more so it's assumed to be "better."

Maybe some quality control in the manufacturing plants.

I just come back from a 20 day trip tp to yangoon, BKK, Pattaya so for anyones interest I will offer my views regarding and in comparison to with each place.

Yangoon.

Hotels are over priced and for what you get terribly standards, Food wise I don't like the taste is better than laos or Cambodia but because it has a indian influence its not to my likeing. Transport wise its not that great but due to the smaller size its acceptable.

Day time activities, are limited, tried the massage and its not good and not worth the money conpared to vn.

Not many options for ST, but LT is the winner compared to vn, and beats most places except AC. Go to JJ entertainment and you can get 18-20yr old freelancers fro 50k or about 56usd. These girls are very innocent and cute, ud have to be a real ugly troll not to have these girls fight to get your attention. So go yangoon if LT is your thing.

Bangkok.

The usual places I used to stay was around sukumvit, but now as the place is being invaded by girls backpacking and couples and groups on vacations I have now decided to avoid it as the hotel have gone up in price due to all the increased demand.

I checked out nana, and whilst I agree there are alot of cuties in rainbow 4, I wasnt preparted to pay 500BF. 2000st and have the st last 30-45mins due to of the japs and other asians, tho I saw plenty of white guys take from rb4 as well.

The other bars also contained come cuties but nothing that would say exceeded the quality found in SK.

I checked out thermae, the girls ages have gone up and the quality down, the older gals asking 1000St or more I overheard a guy being quoted 2000St.

Beergarden was quite bad with the older girls wanting 1000St def not my tasstes.

I checked out Baccara in soi cowboy, and again like my comments on rb definately some cuties there but nothing that would make me pay 600bf. 2000st, like all the japs and ang moh who left with girls.

Where I spent most of my time was in SK, the biggest club had very similar girls to those found at nana and cowboy, I agree definately not in the same huge numbers but whilst I was in Bangkok I took 4 girls. 1 for LT the otehr ST, I paid between 1500-1800ST, and 2000LT. The st usually lasted 1-1. 5hrs I never felt rushed and I got kissing, DATY a decent BJ wouldn't say the best BJ and as many positions as I wanted. I never feklt rushed. So I would definatly go there again even when the largest club recently increeased it to 2000 ST.

Bangkok soapies 2000-7000 price range again for 1. 5 service not a bad option defe some cuties in the 2000, the higher priced range offers companionship supposedly they uni students part timers or otehr maketing.

Pattaya.

TYhis place is now fulled with Chinese tour gps, Russian holiday makers and generally lots of couples with kids, so this has made accodation choises limited and the cost going up, howver you can still find good guest houses.

The beer bars generally has older and uglier women and supposedly tehy are asking fro 1000+300bf, I saw none that really would make it work me paying that.

The gogo bars the girls are definately BKK standards, in the past BKK gogo bars the girls def better than patttaya but now I would say they are on par. But now the cost of girls has gone up in Pattaya 600bf and 2000St tho I got the feeling I could reduce down to 1500ST.

That being said there isn't much difference between pricing of Pattaya.

The coconut bar. Filled with oldies and ladybodys. The old ones are asking 700ST the cute ones 1000St, again none that really made me feel I should take.

The off duty gogobars found at the discos supposedly at 5-6am you can get girls for 1000LT ie 6-12noon. Again this isn't my style as I'm a bonk moning person and if I have spent the whole nite hunting I wouldn't be in the mood to bonk at that time just so I can save money.

I don't like disco, in my mind nothing is sadder than going into a disco and seeing a 40-50yr old man trying to relive his youth in a disco, regardless if he is with syt or not, call me narrow minded but its not something I think is a good look.

So in Pattaya I spent most of my time in soi 6 with gogo quality gals, sure you have to look to find them, and tehre has to be a measure of luck, but there I got unruished sessions for 700+300barfine and use of their ST rooms. The type of girls I like may not have big tits, may not speak any english, may not be tall and may not be fair, and so often they CMI in ang moh or jap orientated bars, but iof anyone has met me or seen the girls I like, they will no I'm not one to fish from the bottom of the barrell.

Pattay soapies 2000-3000 range in my view the girls same pricing as BKK but lower quality so not worth the effort.

In my time in thai, I got a GFE 90% of the time in vn its 60-70% of the time, LT are expensive in Vn St and BJ are the bargains.

Over all I like the advantages I have here in vn but trips to thai and AC are a definate must. In June ill go to sumatra and revisit indonesian gals and I'll report my findings.

Mr. Enternational is correct. I am going to Vietnam for other purposes and have the hobby as a side agenda. In any case, I hear you guys loud and clear. Best bet would probably be HBT bars. I'll probably also try out APO or any of the clubs if I get the chance later at night.

Thanks for the brutal but helpful honesty.

Yes, E. Many do travel for business and do the monkey business on the side. Regards, mate.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1404681]Because he has other shit to do there. Some people don't only travel just to fuck women, but while they are there.[/QUOTE]

Fellow Mongers, I am heading for HCMC, arriving April 11th. I am staying in District 1. Any men who can remember seeing the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, or Rod Stewart when he was with Jeff Beck, give me a holler! I can still pull a looker or two, with some charm, and some cash. Meet for a drink, I buy the first one. Or two! What's in it for me? I would like to meet someone who knows the ropes. I will go to a disco, but I prefer a bar that doesn't look like the one in Star Wars. More interested in visiting the famous Apocalypse Bar, and the hot tocs frequently mentioned in this forum. Pattaya is great, but Songkran starts to bore me after 3 days! Looking forward to meeting some Vietnamese ladies. Pretty, and I like the full tilt, hairy booty bushes they seem to favor.

[QUOTE=Skippyboy; 1403442]I don't no how far you want to go or how much you want to spend, it could be a quick blow and go or the full Monty. Just a quick search onthis site found a report about the famous Ben Ny's

Here is a report from a patron which is not me, but he gives a better description.

"Ben Ny's is a hair salon (hot toc) offering inexpensive blowjobs from hot young women in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.

As I explained in my earlier entry on blowjob bars around the world, the set up for cock suck shops in Vietnam is a bit different than it is at a straightforward place like Dr BJ's in Bangkok. In Ho Chi Minh City you can get your knob polished at specialized 'hair salons' for a few bucks. Ben Ny's is one such shop.

Ben Ny's location isn't exactly what I'the call discreet. It's on a main road, right out in the open, and has a big obvious sign. The sign doesn't say 'get your meat swallowed here, ' but people in the neighborhood would probably know what you're going in for anyway. You can reach the place by taxi, motor taxi, or on foot. If you get a ride, make sure you tell them you're going to Bihn Thanh District. Otherwise you may be taken to a different place with the exact same address in a different district. It shouldn't cost more than a few bucks from basically anywhere in the city.

Once you arrive at the shop the process is simple enough. When you walk through the door you'll be in a small lobby. Hand the woman at the front desk 120, 000 dong. Don't ask 'how much' or hesitate. If you do, you're just asking to be ripped off. The standard rate to the house is 120, 000 ($6 US).

After you pay, one of the numerous women standing in the hallway will take you to the next room. You can pick a woman you like if you go out of your way, but it's not standard practice. I just let whoever is next in line take me back, and that's never been a bad move.

The women who work here seem to range in age from 19 to about 24 or 25. Most are above average in looks. There are at least two dozen women on staff at any given time. During the day the women here wear cute shirts and short puffy skirts. At night they wear short dresses. They are a lot less busy during the day. There is a bit of a surge in customers around the afternoon rush hour.

After you are partnered up, you'll be taken to a row of barber chairs. There will probably be one or two Vietnamese guys already there. Your masseuse will give you a light massage on your shoulders and head. This is also the time she'll engage in some small talk. If you can't speak Vietnamese, this part won't last long at all. No worries though, all of the women who work here seem to be rather upbeat and happy, even if you're a foreigner with no grasp of the local language.

Next you'll be taken into one of the many cubicles behind the barber chair set up. These are small rooms with thin walls and frosted glass windows. The doors do shut and lock, but that's about as far as it goes for privacy. There is another reclining chair here. You'll sit it, pull down your pants and underwear, and lay back. Your masseuse will clean off your unit with a wet napkin and then go to work.

Most girls will pull their bottoms down to give you some hands on access, but some will not. All of them will get their jugs out for you to play with. And they are usually very nice. Perky, firm, vibrant with plenty of life in them!

The technique here is surprisingly good, especially if you compare it with what's available in neighboring countries. As opposed to the usual mechanical action you get in Thailand or the reluctant nothingness of a suck job in Cambodia (if you can even get one at all) , the women who work here are really masters of their craft. I won't say they're better than some of the well experience western women who really know how to work a shaft or take you down the hatch nuts deep, but they definitely know what they're doing. I'm willing to bet that you will launch your load before very long.

After you shoot, you'll be cleaned up with more wet naps. Your temporary date will usually keep the sticky stuff in her mouth until she finishes tidying up your tidbits. When she's done, she'll spit it out. A lot of the girls who work here are very good-natured and humorous. They make even try to play some practical joke on you. You'll have to visit to see what I mean.

After you're cleaned up and dressed, but before you leave the cubicle, you should tip. The standard is 100, 000 dong, but you can go up to 150, 000 dong if you feel you received really good service. Some guys report tipping as much as 250, 000, but that's really well above and beyond what is expected.

As a very convenient and inexpensive place to get your sausage vacuum packed by hot young Asian women will little hassle, Ben Ny's is pretty tough to beat. For that reason I give it a pretty high rating. Ben Ny's 'wash and blow' gets a solid 4 stars from me.

If you get tired of this place, there is another with the same set up and price only a few doors down. It's called My Tien and it's located at 110 Dien Bien Phu. Enjoy."

I think the going tip is know 200, 000 but you can always flash 150. 00 and see how you go.

Then there is the Korean section near the airport, wam bam thank you mam.

If you want to spend megger dollars for the same result ie (vietnamescortgirl) all I can say is all love shutes are the same especially when your half pissed and the lights are out.

Skip[/QUOTE]Skip.

Indeed a fine and detailed report. Any newbie, wannbe, and coulda been should be able to handle the blow by blow instructions. Makes me want to visit the HCMC.

The Viets here in the US get the case of the my shit don't stink attitude pretty quick.

Nice job!

PC out

I'm staying at the Caravelle. I like the idea of some hottie coming by for a massage which ends up being a lot more. Anybody aware of a great agency for that?

Dave

[QUOTE=Dave Carrera; 1409696]I'm staying at the Caravelle. I like the idea of some hottie coming by for a massage which ends up being a lot more. Anybody aware of a great agency for that?

Dave[/QUOTE]Be well aware of a government rule that does not allow vietnamese girls into foreigner rooms in hotels, unless they are a married couple, after 9pm

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1409886]Be well aware of a government rule that does not allow vietnamese girls into foreigner rooms in hotels, unless they are a married couple, after 9pm[/QUOTE]I had heard that, and I'm staying in the Caravelle because I thought I heard that a way around that was to pick up a girl at the roof top bar (Saigon Saigon) and take her directly from there to your room in the new wing. Do you know if that idea works?

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1409886]Be well aware of a government rule that does not allow vietnamese girls into foreigner rooms in hotels, unless they are a married couple, after 9pm[/QUOTE]Yes, that may be the written rule. And then?

Nothing really new to add, but I just wanted to say thanks to the forum members here I was able to easily find FS on my first trip to Vietnam.

I went to bar 91 on Hai Ba Trung street, which was easy to find, and there were probably about 12 girls working and only 2 other customers. As has been discussed here before, they lined up the girls when I asked them to and I chose one to sit and talk with me. Unfortunately she didn't know that much English at all and we didn't end up clicking, but I did check on the price. I was quoted at 1. 3mil for the girl + 600k for the barfine + 300k for the hotel. So 2. 2mil up front and then I'm sure the girl would've asked for a tip at the end. I thought that was on the higher side and they wouldn't budge on the pricing (at this point we had each had only one drink) and I didn't really hit it off with the girl so I just gave her a small tip, paid my bill and left. The mototaxi guys out front got me and brought over some girls. Definitely young girls and as far as I was concerned, essentially the same quality as the girls in 91. They chose the hotel. Which was just a few doors down from 91. And in the end I ended up paying 1. 1mil for the girl+tip+hotel.

On a different day I also went to Ben Ny's and, as reported, it was very easy to find. I just found a mototaxi and told him to go to Dien Bien Phu in the Bihn Thanh district. From PNL street in District 1, he quoted me at 80k one way and 150k round trip. Just walked into Ben Ny's laid 120k on the table and kept walking to where the girls are. The first girl grabbed me but she looked pretty good, so I was fine with her. The rest is essentially as described in earlier posts, but there wasn't a massage it was just straight back to the small rooms where she pulled down my pants, cleaned me up and went to business. 150k tip at the end, so for $16 it really can't be beat.

Place is a dump. Decent selection of girls. Mostly 6 to 8. No stunners. Some very annoying / pushy girls. To the point of wanting to leave.

Drinks for you 50K, for her 100K.

Upstairs with the girl. 1M to the bartender (or $50. 00 USD) ; this amount is split between the bar and girl.

If she pleases. Tip her 100K.

Upstairs is essentially a series of uncomfortable red velvet lined benches. Protection required (and a good idea).

Not really recommended.

[QUOTE=Lost For Words; 1413109]From PNL street in District 1, he quoted me 150k round trip.

She pulled down my pants, cleaned me up and went to business. 150k tip at the end, so for $16 it really can't be beat.[/QUOTE]So you paid the motorbike taxi guy the same as you paid the Ben Ny girl to eat your cum.

IMO you should have paid the xe om driver only 50k round trip and tipped the girl 200k.

Oh and 120+150= 270 or $13. 50 for your tourist it may seem petty but for us locals who live here and don't work for a foreign company $2. 50 counts toward our budget.

Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good online dating website to meet Vietnamese girls in Vietnam? I am planning a trip to Vietnam and I would like to meet girls online, then follow up with meeting them in Vietnam. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1413520]Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good online dating website to meet Vietnamese girls in Vietnam? I am planning a trip to Vietnam and I would like to meet girls online, then follow up with meeting them in Vietnam. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Are you looking for a "good" website where the girls are keen on meeting you and providing free sex in exchange for a simple dinner date or coffee?

[QUOTE=Americanthief;1417103]Are you looking for a "good" website where the girls are keen on meeting you and providing free sex in exchange for a simple dinner date or coffee?[/QUOTE]Sure, that works for me!

[QUOTE=ShadowAxis; 1413117]29 Dong Khoi

Place is a dump. Decent selection of girls. Mostly 6 to 8. No stunners. Some very annoying / pushy girls. To the point of wanting to leave.

Upstairs with the girl. 1M to the bartender (or $50. 00 USD) ; this amount is split between the bar and girl.[/QUOTE]I think I need to put up a dissenting view on this place. Actually not exactly disagreeing because we come to about the same conclusion (not recommended) but to say there are 8's there might be misleading. I realize the scale is subjective, but I don't' think there's many guys who would think there are any in that place that qualify as an 8, and maybe not even as a 6. And especially after visiting other bars in the area. I can say with certainty, there's not one girl in 29 who is more attractive than the worst girl in 91. That is a place that has 7s to 9s with occasional 10s. And using that scale, 29 probably tops at about a 4.

I don't think 29 has gotten any new girls in about 5 years, it looks like a lineup that's mostly over 30, some real hardened ones who are staying in this line of work much too long.

You didn't specify what service you got upstairs, though you dropped one strong clue that it was FS.

For looks, 91 is the clear class of the lot, 51 and 49 probably come in 2nd with 35 HBT and Bin Bin on Le Thanh Ton after that. In most of the other bars you'll be lucky to find even one that's as cute as most of them are at 91.

If you like cute ones, I'd say just don't bother with 29, or Thien Loc on HBT, or 49 Dong Khoi, and probably a few more. Those 3 are bars that just never ever have hot ones any more., and I would say they're not even worth ever visiting unless you're the type who's ok to go with ugly ones sometimes.

Today was a holiday. I met my future wife, but she's not easy. She's hot. We had a good time though.

I refused the coffee date and we do the beer garden thing and it was fun. She was outgoing even though her English was basic at best.

So lots of body language and smiles.

She refused again and again to come back to my room, but lots of kissing and touching. She likes me-big boobs-light skin-very cute face.

I'm ready but she will not come back to my room.

In frustration after the date I hit up BV. I see a girl wearing a Japanese schoolgirl uniform. I'm all over it. Shit bar, they don't even have Jack DanielsSo I order a beer and a vodka coke for her. I still can't understand vodka coke, but whatever.

I went up her schoolgirl skirt. Fingered her pussy, played for while. She didn't stop me, just smiled. Wouldn't tongue kiss, but I was all up in that pussy infront of her owner, manager and other workers. Insane.

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Hi all,

I went to Vietnam about a month ago and did quite well in Saigon. I was staying in District 1 and went to one of the company bars on the main strip the first night and met a girl that I ended up staying with all 4 nights I was there, no payment required. What I need help with is a hotel recommendation. I stayed at Elios last time, it was a nice hotel but I had the common problem of not being able to bring a girl back to my room. I plan to go back to Saigon in about 2 months and was wondering if there was any hotel in District 1, 3 star preferably, that lets that slide. I ended up getting a hotel room each night of the strip, for about 10$ a night, but would rather have a place where I feel comfortable and not have to get new rooms all the time. Any help would be appreciated.

Went around HCM to check out the scene. Stayed in District 1 and found plenty to keep busy with there.

The main drag there has at least 15 girlie type bars and if they are all similar to the one I went to (which I suspect) then they all offer take-out service. I spent the majority of my time at one with (what looked like) the most girls. Was pumped for shots most of the night and mostly paid, but still only spent about $100 (for 2 guys and 4 girls). At the end of the night was offered several choices for companionship. The mgr / mama made it clear I could take my pick regardless of what the girl said. There was not a bar charge the ride back to the hotel was via the girl's bike. The hotel was a problem. They whined about the law and unmarried women I tried a bribe to no avail. Finally settled on a separate bedroom for the girl ($25). The girl was 1. 5M D. Nice girls and not rushed. Saw them the next day for lunch and back to the bar that night.

Also checked out HBT street and found the mostly transactional places. Very hot chicks at the place I went (#51?) but too rushed for my taste. Started as the only ones in the bar then a group of Japanese came in and went right upstairs. Played pool vs the girls with the stakes of my $10 if they won or they get Naked if I win. Sounds fun but the girls were cheating in order to win and when I lost I paid with a 500K note the girl did not go to get change but put it in her panties presumably never to be seen again- I immediately reached in got it back and went to the mama for change. Paid the chick then she starts whining about $10 USD per person loss charge. I laughed and left. Not really enjoyable for me. We went to Apocalypse Now but it was early and very dead (no WG at all). Went to some place behind the Continential Hotel and (Chu?). Very hot bartenders and WGs wandering around everywhere. Not bad atmosphere but expensive drinks and high priced girls (asked for tips when we got up to leave). Went back to District 1 for a repeat of the previous night at the same bar. Same routine at the hotel but got to split the $25 between two girls.

[QUOTE=FLT09; 1421545]Hi all,

I went to Vietnam about a month ago and did quite well in Saigon. I was staying in District 1 and went to one of the company bars on the main strip the first night and met a girl that I ended up staying with all 4 nights I was there, no payment required. What I need help with is a hotel recommendation. I stayed at Elios last time, it was a nice hotel but I had the common problem of not being able to bring a girl back to my room. I plan to go back to Saigon in about 2 months and was wondering if there was any hotel in District 1, 3 star preferably, that lets that slide. I ended up getting a hotel room each night of the strip, for about 10$ a night, but would rather have a place where I feel comfortable and not have to get new rooms all the time. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]You can try Vien Dong hotel, they have a famous massage inside.

Does anyone gets some success with this dating website :

[url]http://www.saigondarlings.com/[/url]

I suspect they just have fake girls to make you subscribe.

I got plenty of messages or smiles in a few days and girls are all pretty. I feel to be a real playboy on this website and I know I am not. So there is a catch.

[QUOTE=FromTheWest;1425024]You can try Vien Dong hotel, they have a famous massage inside.[/QUOTE]To me Vien Dong Hotel felt like a rip off. Trying hard for an astronomical tip for a HJ. I won't return.

I have noted a couple of comments that CIM is not available.

Last week went to unload and had good luck as the young 18 year old took the lot. And then emptied her mouthfull into a tissue.

This was at 467 or 469 Thuy Khue St and cost was a bit high but enjoyed the enthusiastic gals work.

Have also had CIM at 25 Ha Hoi. Closer to the old quarter but prices vary though the gals are quite pretty. 6-7s is normal.

So its just a case of trying a few different places.

Is there any place- bar, red light area, Street workers where pregnant girls can be available?

[QUOTE=Dewdrops;1426177]Is there any place- bar, red light area, Street workers where pregnant girls can be available?[/QUOTE]Saw some in the backpack area a few months ago-Feb 2013

Can you please be specific about area, charge, English skills, photos if any? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Tank Not Mt;1426245]Saw some in the backpack area a few months ago-Feb 2013[/QUOTE]

Asian expat new here in hcmc. Anyone keep to hit the hot toc together?

Write me in private CitySpace.

[QUOTE=Volpone;1431790]Write me in private CitySpace.[/QUOTE]Can't find a pm button. Seems to say if I post email address membErship be deleted. What about phone number?

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Went to Club 91 tonight and was talking with one of the girls. They said the police have been raiding the girlie bars on HBT. They closed down Clubs 29, 49, and 51, which I confirmed when I walked past them at 08:30 PM and saw them locked up. The girls are afraid of the crackdown now, and can't go home with customers before midnight, so no barfines. However, they are willing to meet you at your hotel after they got off work at midnight, and you don't have to worry about paying a barfine.

I avoid asking questions- especially of the "asked / answered" variety. I am reading conflicting information on this, so. Q:

Posts on other sites seem to indicate that things have relaxed in so far as girls in your 5* hotel room (ie: Hyatt or Intercontinental). The posts indicate allowing Vietnamese girlfriends stay without hassle (ie: REAL girlfriends- but still, this is against the law also) , and no issues bringing girls in the afternoon or before 11. They do indicate that if she appears to be spending the night that there may be a phone call, but that anything but a sleepover seems to be without incident.

Is this in line with board experiences? Any input based upon relatively recent experience would be most welcome. In any event, given the recent crackdowns, seems I've picked a poor time for my first trip to Vietnam! Be that as it may, I will be in the area and I got a ridiculously great rate at the Intercontinental, so I am going in Late August- hell or high water. Of which, there could possibly be both given the time of the year!

Cheers

[QUOTE=Waste Mgmt; 1439439]I avoid asking questions- especially of the "asked / answered" variety. I am reading conflicting information on this, so. Q:

Posts on other sites seem to indicate that things have relaxed in so far as girls in your 5* hotel room (ie: Hyatt or Intercontinental). The posts indicate allowing Vietnamese girlfriends stay without hassle (ie: REAL girlfriends- but still, this is against the law also) , and no issues bringing girls in the afternoon or before 11. They do indicate that if she appears to be spending the night that there may be a phone call, but that anything but a sleepover seems to be without incident.

Is this in line with board experiences?

Cheers[/QUOTE]During the day it's no problem at all. You can bring anyone you like into the room. If it's a viet chick, then you should definitely expect a phone call or knock on the door around 930 or so.

This applies to the kinds of hotels you're talking about. Not the cheaper ones.

[QUOTE=Waste Mgmt; 1439439]Is this in line with board experiences? Any input based upon relatively recent experience would be most welcome. In any event, given the recent crackdowns, seems I've picked a poor time for my first trip to Vietnam! Be that as it may, I will be in the area and I got a ridiculously great rate at the Intercontinental, so I am going in Late August- hell or high water. Of which, there could possibly be both given the time of the year!

Cheers[/QUOTE]Pointbreak? If so, note that is the Residence side, so only a doorman to slip by, and probably less follow up. Will be there tomorrow night, so if I get lucky will post about whether or not there is a knock. 5,000 points / night, or $40, for an 800 sq ft 1 bedroom apartment at an Intercontinental- unbelievable! All gone now, though.

Friendly

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet; 1441570]Pointbreak? If so, note that is the Residence side, so only a doorman to slip by, and probably less follow up. Will be there tomorrow night, so if I get lucky will post about whether or not there is a knock. 5,000 points / night, or $40, for an 800 sq ft 1 bedroom apartment at an Intercontinental- unbelievable! All gone now, though.

Friendly[/QUOTE]The buffet resturant on the ground floor of the Intercontinental has a good choice, We've eaten there a couple times and you can get pretty much whatever you want cooked up for you (steaks, roasts, seafood risoto etc) while you graze along on the "salad and sushi bar" including the chocolate fountain.

It also includes free flowing wine and beer.

Wendella mate, can you free up some room in your Inbox cheers.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc;1441750]Wendella mate, can you free up some room in your Inbox cheers.[/QUOTE]Just did that.

I was curios about something. I sometimes pass through an area that has a few cafe oms on both sides of the street. Their appearance is always the same, with the potted plants outside, some Christmas tree lights strung around the entrance, and also and of course very dark inside.

There is one place, though, that sometimes looks just like the rest of them, but at other times it has its lights inside turned up much brighter (pink color). Does this mean anything? For obvious reasons they usually keep these places dark inside.

Also, I can't remember which members here are most knowledgeable on this topic, so if anyone is who knows a bit about these would be ok with giving some advice, please PM me.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc; 1441750]The buffet resturant on the ground floor of the Intercontinental has a good choice, We've eaten there a couple times and you can get pretty much whatever you want cooked up for you (steaks, roasts, seafood risoto etc) while you graze along on the "salad and sushi bar" including the chocolate fountain.

It also includes free flowing wine and beer.[/QUOTE]Just finished my stay at the Intercontinental Residence. Rooms were really nice- 1 bedroom apartments, with full size fridge and a very comfortable king sized bed.

There is a 24 hour check in desk, so I assume you would have the same options as other 5 star hotels- can sneak a girl in during the day or early evening, as long as she's dressed like a civilian, but expect a knock at night. Might be able to sneak in through the basement carpark, but would assume they have security down there as well.

I didn't get a chance to check because I only had limited time and didn't find a girl to take home. Best option for me was the B&G's on NPK; most of the places around Koreatown still look closed.

The best food at the Intercontinental, I think, is at Basilicos, the Italian restaurant on the Residence side. As good as food I've had in Italy, and very decent prices for the quality.

Friendly

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Can anybody confirm that this still is the case. No blocking of the ISG site?

[QUOTE=Shearer68;481210]No problems over the lat three years over ISG access over the last 3 years and we get access to most of the sites tht are actually blocked in Thailand. I know they block some viet language sex sites from UK and I think the notorious naughty Nigel site.[/QUOTE]

I have been able to access ISG in Ho Chi Minh City.

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1444948]Can anybody confirm that this still is the case. No blocking of the ISG site?[/QUOTE]

"Can anybody confirm that this still is the case. No blocking of the ISG site?"

This is still the case. I've never had a problem pulling up ISG in Vietnam.

I am an experienced traveler who have been lots of times in Russia and Ukraine. Next week will be my first trip to Vietnam and I will love some help. Would even love to go out with an experienced moger here. I enjoy a couple of beers, a good talk and some flirting with the ladies. There is a lot more to this hobby than just the sex. Would like to see a BJ bar and the moto girls. But am much more into clubs than sex bars. I be there wedensday for two weeks if someone wants to meet up.

Well Saigon is endless and woman know what to ask for, so be prepared to bargin unless you can't be bothered. (which happens). If you want a handjob and a spa, etc I would go the windsor hotel. Cost is about 300,000 for foot and back massage. I tip about 500,000 VND well above market rates but my girl knows I am a good tipper and work it very very nice. U can go for a work around windsor and find some hotel. Just walk in and ask how much. It can cost 500,000 to a 1,000,000 vnd for full service. I have had one girl that swallows like a champ, don't ask for anal just lube and go for it. Had a nice girl that used to say no to anal, at the end of the session she was loving it and bending over like a champ. Now I just walk in, she blows me like crazy, self lubes her ass and rides my cock with her cute hole. The older ones are more willing and can be a a lot of fun. Nutshell don't be scared to ask, spend if it makes you happy. I have had a different blow job every morning from a different girl.

I am in the city now and would like to check out an area for easy cheap chicks and hotels that I was told from a guy from France and his Vietnamese wife when I was travelling thru the north. She is originally from Ho Chi Minh.

Would like to meet someone to go check it out but will try to find a taxi driver that can speak a bit more English then the rest of them. It s a fair.

Distance from the centre and like when learning a new area is 9 end more on taxis than the chick but overall when I find sometuing good it's worth it.

Because I repeat.

Am visiting HCMC again in three weeks.

So thought I'd ask the experts if any of you know of where one might get a Nuru or Nuru style wet massage body slide. (If you don't know what that is then search online and watch some videos and you'll see.)

Really like it in Oz, but very expensive.

Would be expensive also in HCMC, but comparatively it will be much cheaper.

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

After going to a shit hole on the same street looking for ben nys and getting totally bad service for 200 figured out can' be at the right place so told my idiot taxi driver to take a hike started walking and there it was, but the woman told me it was closed, this was at 5 p. M but don't if for the day or shut down.

Continued walking and seen bien tien or something, went in 120k. 100 tip pretty good, chick seemed surprised about tip, no wonder the dude next to my stall gave his 400k, fuck it's only a blow job. In comparison I had an excellent Columbiana at the Boca Terrena in pc for the same price.

These Vietnamese woman really need to get a grasp on reality.

Thanks for the info previously posted, exploring and will report any new findings not previously mentioned.

[QUOTE=AussieTiger; 1447135]Am visiting HCMC again in three weeks.

So thought I'd ask the experts if any of you know of where one might get a Nuru or Nuru style wet massage body slide. (If you don't know what that is then search online and watch some videos and you'll see.)

Really like it in Oz, but very expensive.

Would be expensive also in HCMC, but comparatively it will be much cheaper.

Looking forward to hearing back from you.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately you will find this absolutely nowhere in Vietnam. Wrong country for anything new or unusual or even fun. Try Thailand.

[QUOTE=Johndao;1448609]Unfortunately you will find this absolutely nowhere in Vietnam. Wrong country for anything new or unusual or even fun. Try Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thanks JD.

Thought that would be the response.

Will just have to stay traditional.

Any suggestions for a good massage around Hai Ba Trung. As am staying there at AAEM again on early August.

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet; 1443356]Just finished my stay at the Intercontinental Residence. Rooms were really nice- 1 bedroom apartments, with full size fridge and a very comfortable king sized bed.

There is a 24 hour check in desk, so I assume you would have the same options as other 5 star hotels- can sneak a girl in during the day or early evening, as long as she's dressed like a civilian, but expect a knock at night. Might be able to sneak in through the basement carpark, but would assume they have security down there as well.

I didn't get a chance to check because I only had limited time and didn't find a girl to take home. Best option for me was the B&G's on NPK; most of the places around Koreatown still look closed.

The best food at the Intercontinental, I think, is at Basilicos, the Italian restaurant on the Residence side. As good as food I've had in Italy, and very decent prices for the quality.

Friendly[/QUOTE]Thank you for the update. I would think that the Residence would be more lax. Surely the expats who are actually staying longer term cannot be hassled about having 'girlfriends' stay the night. I would guess that both the expats and the IC Residence argument would be that it is not a hotel- clearly, as the hotel is on the other side. This is a residence- by name! I will test it and report back.

In HCMC I noticed these girls on scooters offering a ride and a "ride". A funny way of doing it, BTW. I have read this thread but I haven't found any conclusion on whether it's a good idea to go with them or not. What's the chance of a rip-off or any other bad experience?

Anyway, this city seems to be not so interesting now, but what about the future? If the goverment hadn't been so strict I have a feeling it could have been pretty good. (Also thinking about the situation pre-1975.) Well, maybe not like that again in our lifetime.

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1449912]In HCMC I noticed these girls on scooters offering a ride and a "ride". A funny way of doing it, BTW. I have read this thread but I haven't found any conclusion on whether it's a good idea to go with them or not. What's the chance of a rip-off or any other bad experience?

Anyway, this city seems to be not so interesting now, but what about the future? If the goverment hadn't been so strict I have a feeling it could have been pretty good. (Also thinking about the situation pre-1975.) Well, maybe not like that again in our lifetime.[/QUOTE]Hi John Traveller,

To take a ride with those girls is generally a really bad idea, the chances of you getting into trouble, anything from getting ripped off to losing your belongings or even worse is extremely high. Simply not worth the risks. I live and work here in Saigon.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Johndao;1448609]Unfortunately you will find this absolutely nowhere in Vietnam. Wrong country for anything new or unusual or even fun. Try Thailand.[/QUOTE]Prob some of the high end spa might offer it's as some kind of skin treatments.

[QUOTE=AussieTiger; 1447135]Am visiting HCMC again in three weeks.

So thought I'd ask the experts if any of you know of where one might get a Nuru or Nuru style wet massage body slide. (If you don't know what that is then search online and watch some videos and you'll see.)

Really like it in Oz, but very expensive.

Would be expensive also in HCMC, but comparatively it will be much cheaper.

Looking forward to hearing back from you.[/QUOTE]The mecca for this (and the red rope) is the Shanghai Hotel Health Centre in Shanghai.

Drove up Hai Ba Trung yesterday to see that 91 was shuttered up and all their signage removed, no lights on inside.

End of the line, there is no P4P in Ho Chi Minh. It's over.

[QUOTE=Americanthief;1454444]End of the line, there is no P4P in Ho Chi Minh. It's over.[/QUOTE]Not really. See my post in the photo section.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1454406]Drove up Hai Ba Trung yesterday to see that 91 was shuttered up and all their signage removed, no lights on inside.[/QUOTE]All HBT is closed, but there are shops in all the side streets, Dong Du, Le Than Ton, and others.

All openly working with girls and billiard tables begins frosted glass.

In fact had one yesterday afternoon on Le Than Ton.

Will be trying to get a take out LT later tonight.

[url]http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/society/81347/the--rules--in-sex-rings-for-foreigners.html[/url]

Anybody here who knows any shops where I can buy Viagra / Cialis in HCM?

Are they public sold in any pharmacy shops in HCM?

[QUOTE=Runners; 1458264]Anybody here who knows any shops where I can buy Viagra / Cialis in HCM?

Are they public sold in any pharmacy shops in HCM?[/QUOTE]Yup! Yup! Yup!

[QUOTE=Sudsoz;1458365]Yup! Yup! Yup![/QUOTE]And what do you mean with Yup! Yup! Yup!

[QUOTE=Runners; 1458264]Anybody here who knows any shops where I can buy Viagra / Cialis in HCM?

Are they public sold in any pharmacy shops in HCM?[/QUOTE]Its all fake, as is everything else in this country. You go to a clinic and get the real thing from a doctor.

[QUOTE=Americanthief;1458802]Its all fake, as is everything else in this country. You go to a clinic and get the real thing from a doctor.[/QUOTE]So I need to visit a clinic first and get a receipt instead of just enter a pharmacy and buy it?

If you want real viagra, go to a clinic that has its own pharmacy.

Victoria's Clinic is a good one, they have English service.

If you want fake viagra, go to any pharmacy and they will have it.

Even the street coffee here is fake these days. Roasted soy beans with coffee flavor and milk powder.

[QUOTE=Americanthief; 1459099]If you want real viagra, go to a clinic that has its own pharmacy.

Victoria's Clinic is a good one, they have English service.

If you want fake viagra, go to any pharmacy and they will have it.

Even the street coffee here is fake these days. Roasted soy beans with coffee flavor and milk powder.[/QUOTE]So you mean I can enter just any pharmacy and buy any fake Viagra such as Kamagra?

I will go to a pharmacy and ask for Viagra or Kamagra to check out if they provide it for me without any previous clinic visit.

I am currently in district 1 and there is so many girls available so I must improve my "amount of sweet girls per day" in my hotel room.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1454406]Drove up Hai Ba Trung yesterday to see that 91 was shuttered up and all their signage removed, no lights on inside.[/QUOTE]Well it seems as if the reports of its death were greatly exaggerated.

91 sure did look permanently closed last week. All the signage was gone (neon) and the place shuttered up. Well, last night it was open again, but with just a barely noticeable old-style painted sign way up above the doors. Inside they replaced all the bar stools and little tables with big comfy chairs and sofas. Looks strange. No more dark glass, so you can walk by and see in. And maybe 10 or so girls inside, but not of the same calibre as before, but then again still a step up from all the other places around there. That's the thing, there are bars are open, but they're all full of ones who aren't too enticing. They're generally older, fatter, or just not as pretty as what was out there before. Your chances of finding a young hottish one are about nil now. For example, your chances of doing that are better now in Pham Ngu Lao. That hasn't been the case in a long long time.

Thien Loc was closed last night, and this time I won't make the mistake of saying "permanently".

Quick FR. To say I prefer BBBJ is a understatement on avergae I get 3-4 BJ a week so conservatively I get over 100bbbj a year. So when I say WOW to a bbj then you know its something worth mentioning. Do admittedly I factor in the cost of a BJ ie 5-10 each I'm not honna complain, I'm not be like those newbies who come here expect somethimng from a porn vid for 10 dolar, but when you do and its ten dollars. Well it's def worth a mention.

So today I went to a BBBJ massage that I have been aware of for years but I never went to because frankly it's quite well known amongst the local Viets. So I expected not great service, but since I ahead a free ticket I decided what not.

Normal cost is 100k normal 300k VIP, the facilities a little old but hey you going for the BJ. I doidnt get any girls numbers so I requested a random. The girl they sent me was ok. Prob 27yr old, slim a cup. But as it was a experiement unless she was ugly I would accept she was about 6.5.

Friendly chit chat some flirtation, but basically slightly better than piano massage.

After the, massage she asked me to lay on my stomach again there she licks the whole of my back and neck, then she licked my ass crack and the part thats a bit lower than your balls but before your ass. She did that for 5mins. Felt good.

Then she fliped me over and sucked and licked my balls and inner thight for anotehr 10mins alternating between my nipples and also pay attention to my shaft.

Then she started giving a wet sloppy blow job with me all the whilst watching her deepthroat my dick. I was feeling her wet slick pussy and massaging her buttocks. This continued for another 10 mins before I came. She keep sucking till the moment I came it wasn't a pure cim, but she took the first hit.

Over all very god feeling, tipped 200k, and she hugged me till I said I wanted to leave. Her number was number 7, supposedly num, ber 33 and 29 have big tits. 30 is good servcie and I saw a bunch of cute 18yr old cuties when I walked out. Thumbs up from me.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken; 1460048]Quick FR. To say I prefer BBBJ is a understatement on avergae I get 3-4 BJ a week so conservatively I get over 100bbbj a year. So when I say WOW to a bbj then you know its something worth mentioning. Do admittedly I factor in the cost of a BJ ie 5-10 each I'm not honna complain, I'm not be like those newbies who come here expect somethimng from a porn vid for 10 dolar, but when you do and its ten dollars. Well it's def worth a mention.

So today I went to a BBBJ massage that I have been aware of for years but I never went to because frankly it's quite well known amongst the local Viets. So I expected not great service, but since I ahead a free ticket I decided what not.

Normal cost is 100k normal 300k VIP, the facilities a little old but hey you going for the BJ. I doidnt get any girls numbers so I requested a random. The girl they sent me was ok. Prob 27yr old, slim a cup. But as it was a experiement unless she was ugly I would accept she was about 6. 5.

Friendly chit chat some flirtation, but basically slightly better than piano massage.

After the, massage she asked me to lay on my stomach again there she licks the whole of my back and neck, then she licked my ass crack and the part thats a bit lower than your balls but before your ass. She did that for 5mins. Felt good.

Then she fliped me over and sucked and licked my balls and inner thight for anotehr 10mins alternating between my nipples and also pay attention to my shaft.

Then she started giving a wet sloppy blow job with me all the whilst watching her deepthroat my dick. I was feeling her wet slick pussy and massaging her buttocks. This continued for another 10 mins before I came. She keep sucking till the moment I came it wasn't a pure cim, but she took the first hit.

Over all very god feeling, tipped 200k, and she hugged me till I said I wanted to leave. Her number was number 7, supposedly num, ber 33 and 29 have big tits. 30 is good servcie and I saw a bunch of cute 18yr old cuties when I walked out. Thumbs up from me.[/QUOTE]Great report. I've long thought you were one of the best posters in Asia in terms of reports. I have to ask though, what's the point of a report like this if we don't know what the report is on? I can believe this report because of your track record here. But if a new poster made this I'd have no reason to believe it.

I realize there is a lot of heat coming down in the area, and I agree that some of the really explicit reports giving full addresses, full details of what happened, etc, are ill-advised.

So, I don't really know what the answer is. But if all we can do is make anonymous reports, then there really is no point to forums like these anymore, right?

Maybe you should offer to give contact info to trusted senior members via PM or something? I don't know.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1460643]Great report. I've long thought you were one of the best posters in Asia in terms of reports. I have to ask though, what's the point of a report like this if we don't know what the report is on? I can believe this report because of your track record here. But if a new poster made this I'd have no reason to believe it.

I realize there is a lot of heat coming down in the area, and I agree that some of the really explicit reports giving full addresses, full details of what happened, etc, are ill-advised.

So, I don't really know what the answer is. But if all we can do is make anonymous reports, then there really is no point to forums like these anymore, right?

Maybe you should offer to give contact info to trusted senior members via PM or something? I don't know.[/QUOTE]I get a lot of requests for info via pm. I only give it to members with report history of sharing info. With out the sharing then we might as well be reading a comic book. I do enjoy getting a response thanking me for the info but some people don't have the manners to support that kind of response. To those members I give no more info in the future.

I think that some people here are just being downright rude to other members. It's anti productive and only tends to keep new posters from joining and supporting this forum.

Have a nice day, LuvAsianTang

Unfortunately that hasn't worked for me. I've contacted 4 knowledgeable posters on HCMC with no real results, despite the fact that I've been willing to share tons of info via PM over the years in different sections.

Where is this, please?

Thanks

[QUOTE=MutantChicken; 1460048]Quick FR. To say I prefer BBBJ is a understatement on avergae I get 3-4 BJ a week so conservatively I get over 100bbbj a year. So when I say WOW to a bbj then you know its something worth mentioning. Do admittedly I factor in the cost of a BJ ie 5-10 each I'm not honna complain, I'm not be like those newbies who come here expect somethimng from a porn vid for 10 dolar, but when you do and its ten dollars. Well it's def worth a mention.

So today I went to a BBBJ massage that I have been aware of for years but I never went to because frankly it's quite well known amongst the local Viets. So I expected not great service, but since I ahead a free ticket I decided what not.

Normal cost is 100k normal 300k VIP, the facilities a little old but hey you going for the BJ. I doidnt get any girls numbers so I requested a random. The girl they sent me was ok. Prob 27yr old, slim a cup. But as it was a experiement unless she was ugly I would accept she was about 6. 5...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1460680]Unfortunately that hasn't worked for me. I've contacted 4 knowledgeable posters on HCMC with no real results, despite the fact that I've been willing to share tons of info via PM over the years in different sections.[/QUOTE]I thought about replying to you via pm but this will save me replying to all the other guys who have asked me or will ask me.

Here is part chit chat part FR. It is clear the world is changing. I have been reading this thread and places like XXX since late 90's, and back then places like this was kinda exclusive club where committed cheongsters / mongers would come online and share and more importantly SWAP tips. And in those times places like chang ping, AC, Soi Cowboy was still unknown and undeveloped well especially for a guy in his early 20's.

Now those places are old, and pretty commercialised, and any reports on those places is mere repetition. So pretty much the threads are filled with chit chat, trolling arguements, reports designed to boost up egos, or filled by newbiews too lazy to rtff and just ask question. There isn't any real reports on new territory. Guys like thatasshole, asian rain and even guys like johndao, hcmcmik even wendella don't bother to post.

Its a known fact that expats and foreigners only access a tiny fraction of the services available to the local population regardless where you are in the world, and as cocky as it is, I believe that my reports are relating to very little foreigner exposed terrain.

As such its in my own interest to protect it given what I have seen happened to other locations that have been broadcast to the internet public.

Lately I have been selective to whom I have revealed information to not merely by either pm them the location or by posting it openly but by actually meeting them and taking them there, naturally for my time I expected some small compensation but even this has proved unsatisfactory.

I shall further elaborate recently I met up with two groups of newbies.

So this first group hasnt made a FR yet, so the argument that I should give share info is pretty weak given that I have shared but these people don't bother to share either, next is I take him to a massage with a BJ, they both try to overpay even after I told them how much to tip, and he is so clumsy he can't even organise the BJ ie shut up and when needed point your dick to her mouth.

The next guy is the same hasn't made a FR yet, and when I took him to the babarshop for the BJ, whilst they didn't try to overtip, he couldn't sit there shut up and point dick top her mouth so he also didn't get a BJ just a HJ.

So that's my problem, even when I guide newbies they either try to over tip or they let the girls do less for the same money. So how is that not going to spoil my playground.

Further how is sharing going to benefit me even if there isn't a disfavour to me.

I had two guys Volponeand Rickrock get annoyed with me when I refused to share with them they further addes that they can get it cheaper or even free. So my question is that if they are happy with their options why contact me. Rick rock I admit has reported quite a bit, Volpone on the other hand is questionable, and frankly any reports is just the same regurgitation of previous posts and is only useful to newbies too lazy to rtff. It really doesn't help me, so if you guys have any new information you want swap with me then sure pm me.

And Volpone PS the HJ place you mentioned, I only pay 150k for the HJ so you are clearly overpaying so I wouldn't trust you not to overpay if I was to pass you any information.

Anyway my last note is, if I haven't met you in the past, then don't ask me to show you around unless you prepared to pay commercial rates, and if I have met you then my previous arrangement will continue.

A bit different from what you said in PM. Here you admit that I've made quite a few reports. There you asked me for $100 USD to show me to a $10 BBBJ shop. When I scoffed at that and said this board is for the sharing of information you said: "the aim of this webiste is the EXCHANGE of information. You haven't givenme anything I didn't already know [sic]"

I think you miss the spirit of the forum. It's not a market where you exchange X amount of information for X amount of information. People post up what info they have, either to the public or in tough situations to trusted senior members. If they need info on some other area at some other time, they can then get it. Sounds like you want some kind of eBay system where you barter and trade BBBJ locations. That's never been the way this site or others like it have worked. If it was, they wouldn't have all of the members and posts they do today.

I've never given you info because you've never asked for it. Maybe you've never needed it. If so good for you. I've never communicated with you previously, though I thought you made good reports in this section when I've seen them. I CERTAINLY wouldn't give you any info now, and I would recommend others do the same. With your attitude, there's frankly no point of you being on this board other than to gloat about "local info." If you have local info and want to keep it local why would you post, in English, on international monger boards? It's bizarre.

Thanks to the posters who have since PM'd me with some information about HCMC. Will be there in less than a week, happy to meet up with anyone with a track record here.

Hi guys,

Any tips for a rookie to get a BJ and FS? I have read on here that Ben Ny's is popular but not sure if they offer FS.

Any good spots would be greatly appreciated!

[QUOTE=Runners; 1459593]So you mean I can enter just any pharmacy and buy any fake Viagra such as Kamagra?

I will go to a pharmacy and ask for Viagra or Kamagra to check out if they provide it for me without any previous clinic visit.

I am currently in district 1 and there is so many girls available so I must improve my "amount of sweet girls per day" in my hotel room.[/QUOTE]No, Kamagra is an Indian brand or generic Viagra aka Sildenafil citrate, but it is a legitimate brand.

What I mean by fake Viagra is counterfeit Viagra.

[url]https://www.google.com.vn/search?q=counterfeit[/url]

You don't want the counterfeit stuff. Its dangerous and doesn't work. Take 30 minutes, go to a clinic and tell the doctor directly you want Viagra or Cialis, and he / she will ask how many, and you answer. Buy the tabs from the clinic pharmacy and enjoy you "sweet girls."

Speaking of counterfeit, I was hospitalized from drinking counterfeit Jack Daniels. Even the beer these days are counterfeit.

[url]http://www.beveragedaily.com/Regulation-Safety/Heineken-absolutely-on-top-of-fake-beer-threat-after-Vietnam-gang-bust[/url]

[QUOTE=Runners; 1459593]So you mean I can enter just any pharmacy and buy any fake Viagra such as Kamagra?

I will go to a pharmacy and ask for Viagra or Kamagra to check out if they provide it for me without any previous clinic visit.

I am currently in district 1 and there is so many girls available so I must improve my "amount of sweet girls per day" in my hotel room.[/QUOTE]The pharmacy on the corner where the Hyatt and KFC traffic light intersection sells OTC meds, Valium for example and others. You can try that place and see what you end up with.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc;1461209]The pharmacy on the corner where the Hyatt and KFC traffic light intersection sells OTC meds, Valium for example and others. You can try that place and see what you end up with.[/QUOTE]Ok, thank you. I'll try there.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1460879]Anyway my last note is, if I haven't met you in the past, then don't ask me to show you around unless you prepared to pay commercial rates, and if I have met you then my previous arrangement will continue.[/QUOTE]I don't post these days because I'm busy, and in those days I was much less busy and also bored. And I know most of the places now, and don't hear of new ones here any more these days, doesn't' leave much to talk about. This is not the best time to be sharing info online here, surely not in the forum. I don't think it's a very good for people to be meeting up either. Not worth the risk. Other issues in PM, but for the record, I agree with that other guy that the forum is supposed to be about sharing.

Posts by MutantChicken here and on another board in June, July and August repeatedly claim that those of us seeking info online are not worthy of his expertise. He said at least once he was done posting online because we readers aren't worthy. Seems like an angry guy. I'd be in a lot better spirits if I had unlimited access to $10 BBBJCIM. Oh well, moving on.

Will be in HCMC within the week. Will see what I can do.

There's no commercial posts allowed in regular threads. That's what Jacskon calls "spam"

We all know what happened to the toad here (also in another forum) : account deleted.

Putting up a FR that omits useful details, then letting people know by pm that you charge for those details, that's pretty clearly commercial.

So no, that's not cool. Violates forum rules pretty clearly, and is the kind of thing that results in a deleted account

[QUOTE=Americanthief; 1462129]Mutant Chicken's reports are useless. He says," I had a free ticket so I went to a place. I got service. I tipped 200."

That's all he is saying and the moderator allows it.

His posts are to lure people into sending him PMs so then he can offer his sex tour services.

That's what's going on here, and the moderator allows it because he has a paid subscription, and as long as the business is done through PMs and not in the public forum its allowed.

So you guys out there, please understand what's going on here with this guy.[/QUOTE]Please take a look at all your posts, I went to benny I went to NKP. Real useful as well. At least mine pets you know there are more alternatives and you know the correct prices not warped by foreigners. When your post something new I'll pm you my own information free of charge.

Today I took a member to the massage place with a BBBJ I mention before hand. Again the price was 100+200k tip for the BJ, he chose a slim 18yr looking gal. I heard her service was acceptable tho she tried to get him to tip 400k. Her number was 36.

My own gal I tried the large breasted number 33, she unfortunately wasn't a looker and chubby hence the see cups breasts. She would be over 50kgs so her massage was sufficiently strong, then came the BJ, she did some catbathing but not as good as the number 7 gal. But overall her general unattractivenss prob a 5 was inhibiting my ability to ejaculate, and plse she didn't allow any touching of her vagina. Instead the positives was she is a hard worker licking my balls and my shaft, and telling to grab her breasts quite firmly. 15mins of that and I finally came, I tipped her 200, and she asked is that all and I said yes. Naturally this was all paid by for my the member.

Thanks and good luck. PS there are plenty of other massage with BBBJ. At only 50+200k. So go out and search after you have posted about them and shared the address I'll send you what I know.

Why does he have to manipulate the bros in this site?

People who are not straightforward cannot be trusted.

Those who make their living off prostitutes are despicable.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1462231]Naturally this was all paid by for my the member.[/QUOTE]And a free ticket he is always talking about is a member paying for him in exchange for his tour services.

Hi all,

I was the one that MC brought around yesterday to the BBJ place. The FR is as MC described. 36 was ok looking. But not the best provider. When I refused to give her more than 200k, she was pretty pissed off. Though she did the job.

I think that the lurkers (and I'm one of them!) and posters on this site do not understand the mongering situation in HCM. I have been here for almost a year. It is impossible to find the mongering places unless

A) you have a shit load of time, wander around HCM and visit random places, get ripped off (probably) , etc etc. This means you have to at the very least have a motorbike and speak the language.

B) someone brings you.

Did I pay for MC's ticket etc. Yes I did. But I willing did so. For me to try to find out where these places are by myself would have cost me 10 times more. And with a job in the day, I can only spend a couple hours a night to look. There are at least 4 other massage places on the street MC brought me to. How do you know which one to walk into. Even if I tried one a day. It would take me effectively one week. And that's just one street in HCM!

Perhaps you feel that MC's services / help isn't for everyone. If you RTFF, you will find mongering places (Vien Dong Hotel, HBT, Benny's, etc). If you want the cost effective mongering places, you will have to pay a little to find them.

BTW in person MC is a really nice guy. And does give good advice about the scene in HCM.

My two cents.

[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker; 1462332]Why does he have to manipulate the bros in this site?

People who are not straightforward cannot be trusted.

Those who make their living off prostitutes are despicable.[/QUOTE]

I'm a frequent visitor to VN but for only 2-3 weeks at a clip. I don't know any areas much beyond Dist#1 and just beyond. Maybe out to Cholon and towards the airport in HCMC. I have no problem spotting BBBJ places or Cafe Oms. They're quite readily recognizable with the potted plants blocking the view inside. Anywhere in VN that I see this it's a no brainer that something is afoot. All you have to be is discreet and walk in and they usually ask you if you want "massa". Then price is the only issue. Usually I get quoted 150K total. Take it or leave it. Some girls pout for a tip afterwards but not generally.

This one quacks like a chicken clone, propping himself up.

[QUOTE=CimgOng; 1462513]Hi all,

I was the one that MC brought around yesterday to the BBJ place. The FR is as MC described. 36 was ok looking. But not the best provider. When I refused to give her more than 200k, she was pretty pissed off. Though she did the job.

I think that the lurkers (and I'm one of them!) and posters on this site do not understand the mongering situation in HCM. I have been here for almost a year. It is impossible to find the mongering places unless

A) you have a shit load of time, wander around HCM and visit random places, get ripped off (probably) , etc etc. This means you have to at the very least have a motorbike and speak the language.

B) someone brings you.

Did I pay for MC's ticket etc. Yes I did. But I willing did so. For me to try to find out where these places are by myself would have cost me 10 times more. And with a job in the day, I can only spend a couple hours a night to look. There are at least 4 other massage places on the street MC brought me to. How do you know which one to walk into. Even if I tried one a day. It would take me effectively one week. And that's just one street in HCM!

Perhaps you feel that MC's services / help isn't for everyone. If you RTFF, you will find mongering places (Vien Dong Hotel, HBT, Benny's, etc). If you want the cost effective mongering places, you will have to pay a little to find them.

BTW in person MC is a really nice guy. And does give good advice about the scene in HCM.

My two cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22;1462764]I'm a frequent visitor to VN but for only 2-3 weeks at a clip. I don't know any areas much beyond Dist#1 and just beyond. Maybe out to Cholon and towards the airport in HCMC. I have no problem spotting BBBJ places or Cafe Oms. They're quite readily recognizable with the potted plants blocking the view inside. Anywhere in VN that I see this it's a no brainer that something is afoot. All you have to be is discreet and walk in and they usually ask you if you want "massa". Then price is the only issue. Usually I get quoted 150K total. Take it or leave it. Some girls pout for a tip afterwards but not generally.[/QUOTE]That's where you are absolutely correct.

There are many places in VN, in some streets I see 4 to 6 massage joints. Knowing which one to walk into is the trick.

Knowing which ones have the nicest girls, or the best service, or what services they provide is impossible unless you start spending money walking into them. I don't speak the language. So its really hard for me even to ask for a pretty girl.

As in all things in the world, if you spend time on it, you spend less money. If you spend less time, then be prepared to spend some money.

Seems all serious posters would like to have this guy banned. Short of that could we at least get him quarantined to his own thread so we aren't subject to his spam and sock puppets?

Hey all long time reader first time poster my story is not a good one and may help someone else. I was walking around district 1 when 2 girls pull up on a motorbike and the ugly one says I can go to hotel with the hot one for $20. I jump on and off we go but it is a long way away and over by the river. I am suspicous but when we go upstairs we are all alone in the house. Of course it is time to take a shower and take of my pants and leave beside bed. A few minutes into the shower there is a banging at the door and the girl is yelling police police and as I walk downstairs there are about 4 guys there and the 2 girls. I figured the scam was they take me way out and now are going to charge a lot of money to get back so I just start walking away and the motorbike guy is trying to get me on and I figure I will walk to the main road and get a bike there. After walking about 5 minutes I then thought to check my wallet and yes it was all cleaned out except for about 200k, which I am assuming they left for me to pay the bike driver. So I would not suggest getting on any motorbike with a girl offering to take you to a hotel.

Here's another mutant addict with 1 post warning the bros about imminent dangers and thus they should rely on local touts to find sex.

[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1463229]Here's another mutant addict with 1 post warning the bros about imminent dangers and thus they should rely on local touts to find sex.[/QUOTE]Lukeskywalker is also a clone as he posted a terrible FR in Hanoi saying that Vietnam is a terrible destination for mongering, and thus implying that in order to find the good spots, then you would need to use sex touts.

If common sense does not work, I am of the opinion that it should hurt.
Most of us don't need to pay a guide to tell us not to go with touts almost anywhere in the world.

[QUOTE=TuanNguyen; 1443631]Hi contact [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]

[u][b]EDITOR's NOTE[/b][/u]: [blue]This report was edited to [u]remove email addresses in the text[/u]. Please do not post email addresses in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. [i]Thanks! [/i][/blue][/QUOTE]Hi,

This is my first time here in Saigon, and just wonder if there is any place like this.

You guys are making some claims which are not based of facts. All I did was share a story of what happened to me as a warning no where did I say you pay a guide.

We have all heard about Vietnams different cafe styles, cafe Van Phong, cafe San Trong, cafe Vuong, cafe Vong, cafe Goc, cafe Om-Rabba, cafe om.BBBJ, cafe dj etc etc.

I have found a new concept cafe fuck.

This is actually I kind of found before though it was of a form I didn't find appealing due to cost, distance and the formate. Basically what it was is 3 yrs ago I found a cafe om. Rabba style. And some gals were willing to get on your bike go to the hotel across the road, you could fuck them for 400k then afterwards pay them and leave.

What I wanted was to find a cafe you could fuck inside the cafe. Today I found such a place, though just be aware not all gals will fuck and you need to kc them a bit ie be reasonable attractive gal, be able to make the laugh etc etc.

The way it works is you go into the public area, a girl sits down and she asked if she can join you. If you say yes she brings back a tray with a few drinks. And she leads you to a more private room. There she will chit chat and you can grope her she will play with your dick. Here is where you try to convince her to fuck, if thing go well or even if it doesn't she will try to get 6-7 drinks from you. Costing about 30k each. So if you lucky you can fuck for about 200k, if you unlucky then you could have groped a girls for 200k.

The gals are some a fattys, again a few cuties but in the 5-6 range.

This is ok for the experience, fuck gals standing doggy in a cafe, for 200k (150k if you lucky) or pick up a street walker also about 5-6in loks mid 20; s age cost 250k including the room.

Seen in that perspective its not exactly worth recommending but it is a new experience something that others haven't reported before.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken; 1463536]We have all heard about Vietnams different cafe styles, cafe Van Phong, cafe San Trong, cafe Vuong, cafe Vong, cafe Goc, cafe Om-Rabba, cafe om. BBBJ, cafe dj etc etc.

I have found a new concept cafe fuck.

Seen in that perspective its not exactly worth recommending but it is a new experience something that others haven't reported before.[/QUOTE]Another pointless post. Complete waste of time reading it and no other purpose but to drum up business. Suggest other posters report him, his account will get locked.

[quote=davepuppy;1464634]another pointless post. complete waste of time reading it and no other purpose but to drum up business. suggest other posters report him, his account will get locked.[/quote]its posted in the general info section, and thats what it is. general info. this forum is pretty dead at the best of times and mc's postings have helped cause a bit of a stir.

if you have been here long enough and ridden around on your bike, you will have noticed these cafes rep001tered around the place, some streets are lined with them. its just knowing what it is. thats the hard part. i can write about the fuckshop alley where you pay 300k for a fuck upstairs in a cafe but what are the chances of a expat or tourist jumping on their bike and riding out of their comfort zone of d1/3/7 pmh and visiting these places where locals go. they prefer closer to home.

so whats the point of giving the exact details when no one will make the effort to go, having said that with the current climate of raids and (a lot) more police being present in public, is it worthwhile just for the sake of putting it out there? then where does the op go when it starts to become more expensive and overcharging, as it gets more popular the police will want a bigger cut, then when that cut isn't big enough or the police wants to look good, they go and raid / shut down the joint. then what? do you think the people who benefited from the op's post will go out looking for new places, post up the locations? i doubt it. there are only a few "core" members of this forum, out of that core group less and less members are posting publicly. they already know where to go so why risk losing your honey hole? theres a few blow and go's that have shut down due to their popularity. hard to say if its all due to this forum but sure there is some % contributed from this.

mc does have a lot of local info. for some people the fee he charges is worth it. some will be outraged and have the how dare he charge for his knowledge to a complete stranger to come and play or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and shit in his sandpit. to others who have been around a while its not worthwhile. just remember how hard it is to actually monger in saigon vs its neighbours. that fee may well be worth it. i know my time is valuable to me and i often pay people to do the running around / waiting for me so i am free to carry on, besides is his fee of $100 really that overpriced? thats only (roughly) 2 mill vnd. how much do you pay going to dinner? going to clubs and paying for overpriced drinks on girls with the faint hope of getting into their panties, only to go home and have nothing to poke on? i can't comment of other peoples economic situations but that's chicken feed. compared to getting a working girl from a bar, you are getting inside knowledge, cheaper service and more options. can you put a price on the time it takes to pound the pavement?

the way i look at it is like this. you pay for a service. if you use this service more than say 3-4 times then you're saving money vs paying the $150 for the bar girls each time. kinda makes sense.

sadly i won't be paying for mc's services since i have my own "holes to poke" but i did meet with him a few yrs ago and another member who no longer posts and after a meet and greet we went for a ride around to the barbershops. he's actually a nice guy. he's been here for a while and will be around a lot longer.

before i start getting the villages riled up and wanting to burn me, i have no affiliation with anyone on this forum. i don't go taking people out on tours, i have only met 2 members from this forum as i said above. infact i haven't been to a barbershop for 3+yrs. i know where they are yes, because i ride around and notice whats going on. yes the shops have closed down but they also have reopened nearby. if you know what to look for then you don't really need this forum.

just my 500dong single pack of gum's worth.

[quote=mik hcmc; 1464724]if you have been here long enough and ridden around on your bike, you will have noticed these cafes rep001tered around the place, some streets are lined with them. its just knowing what it is. thats the hard part. i can write about the fuckshop alley where you pay 300k for a fuck upstairs in a cafe but what are the chances of a expat or tourist jumping on their bike and riding out of their comfort zone of d1/3/7 pmh and visiting these places where locals go. they prefer closer to home.[/quote]not sure if i should be thanking you for your support or not, as this will be another piece of "evidence" these guys will use saying that i'm using clones to prop up my business. though i love how so many of these guys do not see their hypocrisy of posting a report condemning my useless report even though my report has the correct local pricing so is at least has one useful fact, let alone gives people an idea that there is options other than benny etc, or the other guy who posts a report identical to me ie without revealing details only he over paid then at the bottom he is asking of someone can give him the idea of the correct price, wtf i have given him the correct price in my own reports and yet they call it usless and then they are asking information on that very point.

so i ask davepuppy. whats more useless a report that provides local priciing or the report that condemns the initial report but provides nothing.

however this post of mine is more about your own comment, i not sure if this post of yours about the 300k fuckshop alley is just a joke in attempt to get these guys on a fools errand or what. but if it is i personally don't think its good sport, whilst my own reports may be called useless as i don't provide addresses, i don't think its helpful to provide misleading information. pm me if i have made the wrong assessment, but from what i know of cheap fuckshops, something you can fuck for 300k is either pretty grotty, bad service or filled with ugly gals or all three. and apart from the experiece. its certainly not worth your while esp for someone with your financial base.

eg i know a hotel where you can call the mommy you get a plain looking girl with a overused and dry vagina who will allow you 2 shots for 250k, if you want you can bring your friend and you can swap gals. plus hotel and its 330k.

nearby is another hotel where they will call a girl for you. from the same stable as the above gals total cost 350k.

i also been to a barbar shop where you can fuck for 200k, its now closed down again pretty average looking gals and rudimentry service. standing doggy.

then there was the cafe i mention earlier. standing doggy plain gals. mozzies biting your naked ass.

and today i found another cafe 300k and the girls a 4-5 max. wasnt going to try the service.

compare that with the barbarshop / brothels decent looking gals and decent service for 700k, your freelancers where you can get pretty gals for 500k + hotel or even your street gals who i can say tehre are gals 7-8's, in looks tho ususally bad service but for 200-400k in price.

so unless the gals at your fuckshop alley are pretty and provide decent service, not like my cheapy's, i think its misleading just to say fuck shop alley 300k. because i'm sure you can get some old drugged fucked women in bui vien for 200k.

and if they are pretty then i think given that i passed you information on the original brothels. its time to return the favour. but somehow i think that's a dream on my part.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken; 1464930]So unless the gals at your fuckshop alley are pretty and provide decent service, not like my cheapy's, I think its misleading just to say fuck shop alley 300k. Because I'm sure you can get some old drugged fucked women in Bui vien for 200k.

And if they are pretty then I think given that I passed you information on the original brothels. Its time to return the favour. But somehow I think that's a dream on my part.[/QUOTE]Its time to drop your attitude mate, You seem to like to boast about knowing more about where to get laid than other members and its starting to get old.

I've told numerous people who've PM'd me about this location before and I've shared it with them. Whether or not they acted on it is not my concern.

If you want to know all you need to do is ask, Not make a big song and dance about it. But like you said it is not going to be a place with high standards, If you don't mind rubbing shoulders (or something else) with armed forces and locals then go for it. You want the location then shoot me a PM.

Mik. I'm not question the value of his services or whether it is right to do it. Fair play to him, he knows his shit and he sells it. I'd never criticize someone for that.

I just find it frustrating that he doesn't post any useful information when he has it. I'd rather he just keeps quiet so I don't have to read. The truth being he has more commitment to mongering, so he knows more than me or your average punter. Every post he makes just reminds people that he knows more than they do and won't share without being paid. Anyone who thinks this isn't going to wind people up is a bit naive.

As for the assertion that chatting about things on this board gets places shut down. I find that comical. As soon as you get out of D1 places live or die on local business unless very upscale. Our 0. 01% custom doesn't make a difference to anything. I'd post more info myself, but I'm a bit shit at getting out and going to new places.

It is a shame he flamed you when you were sticking up for him

So I'm traveling in Vietnam on a family trip which means I have to behave like a "decent person" so I didn't think any action would be posible in this trip, which is a shame since I think Viet girls are absolutely gorgeous, much prettier than Thai girls (I was just in Thailand by myself before Vietnam, I'll talk about my adventures there in the proper forum), we were in Hailong Bay and Hanoi for a few days and it was just looking and thinking about going back to China without a taste of Vietnamese beauty (which I have been fortunate enough to try before some years ago in Catba Island and in Shanghai, the Shanghai one was especially great).

But when we made it to Saigon I got my hopes up again, staying at the Cap Town Hotel in Le AnhXuan St in District 1, literally right next to the hotel there was a massage place, just full of gorgeous girls in sexy dresses and another one in front to the hotel, so I was looking forward to having some fun there after my relatives had gone to bed, surprisingly after we came back from diner at 10:00 those places were closed, I was disappointed but I decided to wander about.

Bunch of dudes in motorcycles approached me asking me if I was looking for girls, one of them was nice enough so I got talking to him, imediately another driver appeared with a girl after he called him, girl seemed to have a good attitude and was chubby but cute, which was not really what I was looking for now (for my previous adventures with chubby-cute girls look at my upcoming posts about my previous adventures in Thailand and Shanghai) and besides I didn't really want to take her to my hotel to avoid any unlikely but still possible encounter on the way to my room.

Guys seemed nice enough and in case he was not he was skinny and seemed harmless and I wasn't carrying a lot of money or credit cards so even if I got robbed it wouldn't loose much, so I decided to take the motorcycle dude on his offer for a tour on the dark side.

First point was a nearby disco he said was full of girls, there was no girls there, but didn't pay anything or had to stay so moved on.

Second point was a hotel Luc Phuc on Ky Con Street, there was one girl there, she was just so so, but had good attitude and spoke good English she also had biggish tits, another girl came out of a room with a dude, those were my only choices, second girl was cuter but she had just fucked a dude and that was a turn off (I know this is probably often the case with working girls but if I don't see it I don't mind) and I didn't like the first girl enough despite her good attitude and English and the fact that she gropped my dick as a goodbye I decided to move on.

Third point was Tan Loc Hung Hotel on Do Quang Dau St. 3 girls came after a while, all of them very pretty. 7 or 8s there was one who was just my type slim, white skin, big tits, long black hair, almond eyes and full red lips, she smiled briefly at me but seemed very serious but they all did, I decided to take her on, they told me the damage would be 40 USD for the girl + 10 for the room (I wasn't carrying a lot of Dong, which was probably a mistake) I got it down to 40 for the whole deal, paid at the lobby and she left her ID there, that was surprising.

Went upstairs with her, room was quite big and clean but seemed old and kind of Spartan, before motorcycle guy told me it was 30USD to stay there if I wanted too, I think that's super expensive considering I'm paying the same for the place I'm staying at which is super nice and new, going back to the main story, she was very cold and rushed, I knew thar wouldn't be a GF experience but I was really horny so I would take what I could, since I didn't bring my own condom I had to pay 1 USD extra for one brought from the lobby, I asked her to get completely naked and she fussed a bit about it but she did it, ok body, pretty nice medium tits and hairy pussy, I asked her to give me a BBBJ she said it would be 1000,000, so I said ok use the condom, she blew me at the chair which was nice, but she had no technique or motivation and moved to HJ almost right away.

Told her I wanted to fuck, she just wanted to make me cum with a HJ, she fussed about even more and I told her if we didn't fuck I would take my money back so she reluctantly went to bed, she wanted missionary but if if she was going to be a ***** about fucking I didn't want to look at her face besides her ass and back were beautiful so I wanted to fuck her doggy, she assumed the position, since I knew she was not going to be so wet and the condom was unlibricated I used a little saliva as I was ready to plunge those depths, she fussed even more and I started to pull my pants up and tell her I was going to get my money back, so she went back to bed assuming the missionary position again, and again I turned her on her back.

I fucked her rough and quickly and she felt quite good, I specially loved looking at her ass as I fucked her I'm sorry to say that the fact she was pissed with me made it even hotter, not my best moment I must admit but I was really needing a fix I came inside her (on the condom of course) almost right away, would have loved to come on her face or even on her body but seeing her attitude I kew it would not be an option, I stayed inside her for a bit even after I came just enjoying the moment.

After that she got up right away, cleaned up and dressed, we went down on the elevator and she pulled her sweater covering her boobs and didn't say anything, we went to the lobby I said goodbye but she just kind of sneered at me.

Mamasan burned paper money on the street, papasan called the motorcycle dude to take me back to where he found me, gave him 50,000 Dong as a tip, he wanted more but I didn't have any, told him I would look for him tomorrow night to go to another expedition.

He gave me a few tips.

About the pretty girl massage places near my place, he said they were all lady boys and I should avoid those places, does anybody know if this is true? I didn't think they had LB in Vietnam and I they didn't look like LB, but then again I didn't look closely.

He recommended a place called Apocalypse Now, which sounds like a girl bar, and another girl bar that I saw along the way that had a number as a name, does anybody know these places? Are they recommended?

As I went back to my room the doorman asked me quite straight if I needed a girl for massage tonight, I said no but maybe tomorrow.

So besides the questions about the veracity of the LB thing and info on those girl bars, can anybody recommend me places in Area 1, I'm specially interested in these BJ bars I read about in these forums (which motorcycle dude said didn't excist by the way) and full service massage places.

Also is 40 USD a pop a normal price around these parts or did I overpaid?

These and any other tips on Saigon would be greatly appreciated.

The massage places on LAX are all legit places with no ladyboys. Good massages at the place across the street. You may get an occasional HJ there but not much else. Paying up front always gets you poor service and starfish quality. The girls your doorman provide could be your best quality providers as they are regulars at that hotel.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22;1465702]The massage places on LAX are all legit places with no ladyboys. Good massages at the place across the street. You may get an occasional HJ there but not much else. Paying up front always gets you poor service and starfish quality. The girls your doorman provide could be your best quality providers as they are regulars at that hotel.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice Dragonfly, they definitely don't look like ladyboys too bad thet are legit places because they certainly look gorgeous, I may give it a go anyway see what I can get, if nothing I'll probably try using the doorman as a pimp tonight, and I'll do my best to avoid paying up front

I'll report on my new adventures.

[QUOTE=Suronin; 1465470]He recommended a place called Apocalypse Now, which sounds like a girl bar, and another girl bar that I saw along the way that had a number as a name, does anybody know these places? Are they recommended?[/QUOTE]Apocalypse Now occasionally has some beauties that arrive around midnight. They want $100 / night. Which I have reluctantly paid.

I'm sure some if you guys might remember Hcmc Mik mention of a fuckalley where its 300k and fuck in a cafe.

I had passed this area about 2 yrs ago and noticed that it had a bunch of hot tocs, about 2 weeks before I had ridden past and noticed that all the hot toc gone but there were quite a few cafes, some look very seedy. When I say seedy I mean has a sign saying cafe, but no tables no chairs no drinks, no potted plants and you can just see a partition where I assumed people sleep. Further the ladies would be considered MIWWF (mothers I wouldn't want to fuck).

So again thanks Mik for clarification to what these cafe are about. Anyway I wanted to take a proper look at these cafes so today I drove around. Seems there are two types of cafe in the area. The first is the cafe BBBJ. I went into two to test the merchanise, you get a drink and a BBBJ on a massage table so its kinda like a hot toc, just no aircon etc, and the service is a bit rushed, but very friendly. But some girls are comparable to gals at benny ie 6-7's etc etc. Cost 120k.

Next is the actual fuck type, the three that I made direct enquires about is staffed by a fattish ladies in her late 30's I'd be pressed to give her a 3/10. She told me the cost was 200k. One lady told me she could call a gal mid 20's with big tits for me also 200k, but given that I blew my load twice in the 1hr previously I didn't want to wait around and then see the gal then refuse service. Il'l prob drop my again and ask to see the gal.

Those that want the address ask Hcmc Mik as this is his discovery. I don't onsell or pass on other guys information.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1465825]I'm sure some if you guys might remember Hcmc Mik mention of a fuckalley where its 300k and fuck in a cafe.[/QUOTE]If these are the ones I'm thinking of (I think they are) then I checked these out a few years ago and had same reaction you did (MIWWF). Did not partake. Was cheaper in those days but again, does it matter if it's something you woudln't want to do. I heard of it via this forum actually, back in around 2005 or so. It was a nasty potholey splashy dirt road then.

Last night I went in to Bin Bin on Le Thanh Ton st, which is the ONE bar that still has lots of girls and some of them pretty hot. I sat with this one girl, who was totally totally totally my type, and was playful and the one thing that was bad was that she sat on another stool (red flag) rather than snuggle up to my stool while standing. Anyway, I kept noticing how when Japanese customers came in she did a head-spin. Finally I asked her where she worked before she came to work here. A Japanese restaurant. (red flag #2, think about it) By drink 3, a time by which a customer surely would be asked if he wanted to go to a hotel, I finally asked HER what's the deal with hotel. In conversation she had told me earlier that girls here won't' go to a hotel with customers. (I'm looking around the room noticing regulars from bars that had been shut down on HBT, so these are hard-core hookers. But with the crackdown I figured it was possible they were using some workaround or just saying that) Anyway, later I asked her if she goes to hotel. She said yes she can."How much?" she said $100. $25 to the bar."Oh, so $75 for you and $25 for the bar?" No, $100 for her and $25 for the bar. And you don't even have to ask to know this means short time one pop. And even though I'm bringing this up, she doesn't pursue the direction of the conversation at all and even does the head-spin again to notice the new customers coming in. Bad bad bad bad. I have never been quoted a price that high in any bar, ever. Actually a recent one was 91 bar right before it shut, and that was 1. 2m to her. 500 to the bar, for bona fide modelesque girl. So either ST prices have nearly doubled in the last month or this girl really didn't want to go with me. Would be interested to hear what others get quoted at Bin Bin.

One very interseting thing there, and I saw this on another previous visit to Bin Bin recently. The Japanese customers always go upstairs to a semi-private room they can sit in, and the lineup comes up there for them. Last time and this time though, after the lineup went upstairs and came back down, not long afterwards a few girls came into the bar wearing ao-dais and Japanese style haircuts and headed upstairs to do a lineup. Not many. 3 or 4. THey were being called in from one of the local Japanese bars. Funny because they looked like kewpie dolls but they hung out a little in the main bar downstairs and talked with other girls, and as soon as they opened their mouths they sounded as hardcore as the regular Bin Bin girls, the illusion totally shattered. But for anyone who was ever interested in the girls from Japanese bars but not willing to do that price tier, maybe this is an option. Go ask for a room upstairs and get the lineup, then reject that whole group and ask if they have ones in ao dais.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken; 1465825]I'm sure some if you guys might remember Hcmc Mik mention of a fuckalley where its 300k and fuck in a cafe.

Further the ladies would be considered MIWWF (mothers I wouldn't want to fuck).[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wendella;1466115]If these are the ones I'm thinking of (I think they are) then I checked these out a few years ago and had same reaction you did (MIWWF). Did not partake. Was cheaper in those days but again, does it matter if it's something you woudln't want to do. I heard of it via this forum actually, back in around 2005 or so. It was a nasty potholey splashy dirt road then.[/QUOTE]Yes, for a cheap price the chances of finding a stunner are pretty much ZERO. Not to mention its local traffic only.

Perhaps we should only give this place out to those who keep sending us PM's asking for info. (yeah we know who you are) Tell them how beautiful and young these 300k girls are.

Of course there are other places that have several B&G's on their streets, You just have to get out there and go for a ride and explore (Like what MC does and what I used to do)

In the last episode I was talking about checking the massage places near my hotel, Cap Town in Le Anh Xhuan district and perhaps using the doorman at the hotel to get me a girl for the night since he offered.

As I mentioned before I was in Vietnam with family so the tourist activities were pretty heavy and I was pretty much completely beaten at night so I didn't took the doorman's offer which I regret but what can you do, this was a family trip not a mongering trip.

Anyway I did try the massage place right next to the hotel, I knew thanks to this forum that there was probably not going to be any action but I had to try it by myself, I mean it was right next to the hotel I would have kicked myself if I didn't

Girls where hot (altough it was probably the motorcycle dude's suggestion that they may be ladyboys messing with my head but some of them seemed kind of mannish to me) and they dressed really hookerish like, I picked a short cute one (the girliest one just to be sure) and picked the most expensive option on the menu, the 300k VIP room.

Unfortunately as predicted it was totally legit and professional, no hanky panky was even suggested or even hinted, she didn't even came near my crotch area or paid much attention to my butt and if my hands (or legs) would ever wonder she would gently but firmly push them away, she was nice and smiled and even laughed a bit during our interaction but she was very business like and not flirty at all and didn't really speak any English.

All in all I'm very glad and thankful at the information provided in this forum that there wasn't likely to be any special service provided so I had just the vaguest of hopes that I would at least get a HJ but even though I didn't get a happy ending I did enjoy my massage which was actually quite good (although my back is starting to hurt now) specially the part where she slided her oily naked tights across my back (the only remotely sensual thing that happened during the massage) she used hot stones, oils and had very skilled hands, elbows, feet and legs (good as it was it was also quite rough) but part of me was missing Dr BJ's Nuru massage in Bangkok a big part of me (see what I did there?)

Total damage was 500K. 300 service+200 tip, she wasn't happy about getting only 200 tip but I wasn't happy about giving it either 300 for a non HE massage was ok, but 500 seems too high given that according to this forum I could be getting at least a BJ for that so no matter how skilled she was I wasn't tipping anymore for a normal massage, but one question remains in my mind, the 300k service was originally for 2 hours, I had only time for 1 hour but still had to pay full price for the use of the VIP room (so much for VIP didn't even have a shower) she was pretty much done with the massage in one hour, so I wonder had I stayed a second hour things would have gotten better? I guess that question remains for the ages.

Other than that, yesterday we went to Cantho city we spend the night there at the Ninh Kieu 2 hotel, and there was definitely action going on there they had a sleazy looking massage place (although the place next to my hotel looked quite sleazy and it wasn't so you never know) on the 3rd or 7 floor, but most importantly there were working girls wandering the hotel coming back and forth from rooms even during the day time, unfortunately I was sharing a room so no chance of anything, but a couple of girls even knocked on our room in the middle of the night apparently looking for costumers (at 5 am which is quite fucking late even if I was flying solo at that time I would be more likely to tell them to fuck off than to fuck me) I didn't see our late night visitors but the girls I saw looked nice.

I only managed to play once in Saigon, girl was hot but the service was quite bad I was horny and she felt good so I still enjoyed fucking her, I see people here complaining about the situation in HCMC specially for newbies, but here I was a complete newbie who knew nothing of the city, had no Vietnamese skills and stayed in what appears to be the more mainstream-sanitized area of town and even had no real intention of playing around in Saigon, still upon stepping out of my hotel the first night in the city in 10 minutes I had a girl ready to go to my room with me, I turned her down but within the hour I was fucking a different girl after seeing some options, my doorman offered to deliver a girl right to my room, pedicab driver offered to take me to a good happy massage place, and I had my own motorcycle dude to take me anywhere to get girls, so I think the situation seems pretty good, even the prices, I paid 50USD for my thirst which seems to much given the quality of the services so I would gladly pay double that for good service from a hot girl, specially since I'm used to playing around in Hong Kong and Shanghai which can be considerably more expensive.

Bottom line I liked Saigon, nice ordered city, good bars, good food, polite people and opportunities for fucking hot girls seem to be theore, hope next time I can come on a Dark Side expedition and check out Apocalypse Now and Saigon Superbowl and specially I hope the local situation will improve and I can visit the local BJ places as they sound fucking awesome.

Good luck to all the local and visiting mongers in Vietnam, I'm off to Shanghai and Suzhou I'll report on my adventures there if I get in any.

Just a reminder. The hottest of hotties are not in Vietnam. They are farmed out to Singapore, Macau and Dubai.

Sad and depressing.

Guys, doing a SEA tour and will be in HCMC for 4 nights.

What are there best freelance bars / clubs? Or normal clubs with the sluttiest girls?

I am 27 and will go out on a lunch date every day from online and do 2 night dates and 2 nights out solo.

Cheers

Adding to my previous post, here is the list I compiled of all the nightlife in HCMC. I need to break this down into more detail and prioritize.

Lavish rnb.

Lush rnb.

Fuse rnb.

Vascos.

Sheraton.

Chill Bar.

Cloud Bar.

Bounce Club.

America Disco.

X Club.

Canalis.

Gold Club

Crazy Eights.

Napoli live band.

Skybar 35 after hours.

Gossip FL.

Sin Lounge.

Apocalypse Now FL

Crazy Buffalo Bar.

Chill Sky Bar.

Duc Vuong Hotel Rooftop Bar.

M Bar.

Q Bar.

Rex Hotel Rooftop Bar.

Shark Disco

Sparkle Lounge.

Underground Bar.

Velvet Bar. Wed ladies night.

[QUOTE=CaliPro; 1467068]Guys, doing a SEA tour and will be in HCMC for 4 nights.

What are there best freelance bars / clubs? Or normal clubs with the sluttiest girls?[/QUOTE]Thailand? Angeles?

This is vietnam remember, where girls are raised to keep their legs closed until married. You want to chase slutty girls then best go overseas.

[QUOTE=CaliPro; 1467544]Adding to my previous post, here is the list I compiled of all the nightlife in HCMC. I need to break this down into more detail and prioritize.

Apocalypse Now FL[/QUOTE]Done. Your welcome.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc; 1467826]Thailand? Angeles?

This is vietnam remember, where girls are raised to keep their legs closed until married. You want to chase slutty girls then best go overseas.

Apocalypse Now FL.

Done. Your welcome.[/QUOTE]Add Go2Bar, at least a of last year. The bar in the Sheraton also had some girls last time I was there as well, but nowhere near as easy as Go2Bar or Apocalypse Now.

I think OP may be sorely disappointed with Saigon's FL bars, as I think he's accustomed to Thailand and Phillipines type scenes.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz; 1467979]Add Go2Bar, at least a of last year. The bar in the Sheraton also had some girls last time I was there as well, but nowhere near as easy as Go2Bar or Apocalypse Now.

I think OP may be sorely disappointed with Saigon's FL bars, as I think he's accustomed to Thailand and Phillipines type scenes.[/QUOTE]FL bars / clubs are mainly just for fun and switching things up. I am 27 and mainly rely on online / mall game and pickup and regular clubs and bars.

Haven't been to Thailand yet. (Going there after Philippines before heading to Cambodia and Vietnam)

I just booked 4 nights at the Luxury Hotel in District 1, Japanese / Riverside area. Anyone have any experience with this hotel? Praying they are girl friendly. Booked the room for 2 adults.

[QUOTE=CaliPro;1468160]I just booked 4 nights at the Luxury Hotel in District 1, Japanese / Riverside area. Anyone have any experience with this hotel? Praying they are girl friendly. Booked the room for 2 adults.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about the Asian Ruby Luxury Hotel? [url]http://www.asianrubyhotel.com/pages/client/index.aspx?[/url]

Pretty much guaranteed NOT GF. The GF places are the small 2 star places on side streets. I think there is very little chance an upscale place with tons of foreign guests will let you bring a girl back. I tried at the Sheraton last year, no luck, no how, even small bribe didn't help. And why did I try a bribe? Because there are at least two security guys right at the front door every night, all night. My schedule for the entire week was stumbling home anywhere between 2 and 5 AM, and they were always there. You can't even bring girls from the Sheraton's own upstairs club to your room because at night the elevator to the club is configured to bypass all the guest floors, so you have to go downstairs to the lobby smile at the security guy posted THERE, and get a different elevator to your room.

The non-GF thing in Saigon is for real, unless things have changed dramatically in the past year.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1468495]The non-GF thing in Saigon is for real, unless things have changed dramatically in the past year.[/QUOTE]It has not!

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1467979]I think OP may be sorely disappointed with Saigon's FL bars, as I think he's accustomed to Thailand and Phillipines type scenes.[/QUOTE]Vietnam, at least HCMC is one of the least monger friendly venues in Asia. D1 for sure, other areas less so but you definitely need some local language skills or be young / adventurous.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1468499]I.

Vietnam, at least HCMC is one of the least monger friendly venues in Asia. D1 for sure, other areas less so but you definitely need some local language skills or be young / adventurous.[/QUOTE]Perhaps, but it's been my favorite trip of the past few years among Singapore, Hong Kong a few times, Beijing a few times, Shanghai a few times. I really enjoyed myself in Saigon, but I'm not your typical adventurer. I really only like FL bars, and even then only rather low-key ones like Apocalypse and Go2 in Saigon (and Maggie's BJ, Manhattan's Shanghai, etc.) That's why I've never been to nor have any desire to go to PI or Thailand for my solo vacations. I realize the those scenes are totally different. And they don't' sound at all like my cup of tea.

Luckily it's a big world and there are all sorts of options for all sorts of tastes!

[QUOTE=Jsxyz; 1468495]Are you talking about the Asian Ruby Luxury Hotel?

[url]http://www.asianrubyhotel.com/pages/client/index.aspx?[/url]

Pretty much guaranteed NOT GF. The GF places are the small 2 star places on side streets. I think there is very little chance an upscale place with tons of foreign guests will let you bring a girl back. I tried at the Sheraton last year, no luck, no how, even small bribe didn't help. And why did I try a bribe? Because there are at least two security guys right at the front door every night, all night. My schedule for the entire week was stumbling home anywhere between 2 and 5 AM, and they were always there. You can't even bring girls from the Sheraton's own upstairs club to your room because at night the elevator to the club is configured to bypass all the guest floors, so you have to go downstairs to the lobby smile at the security guy posted THERE, and get a different elevator to your room.

The non-GF thing in Saigon is for real, unless things have changed dramatically in the past year.[/QUOTE]No, I am talking about this hotel

[url]http://www.agoda.com/asia/vietnam/ho_chi_minh_city/luxury_hotel.html[/url]

Fuck, I really hope I didn't screw myself. It is off the main road and is a 2-3 star hotel. Hopefully I can bring a girl in.

I don't understand how they could refuse a girl when I booked the room for 2 people. She could be my gf or wife for all they know. They want her to sleep on the street.

I guess I need to email them or something to see if I need to cancel and book somewhere else.

[QUOTE=CaliPro; 1468546]No, I am talking about this hotel.

[url]http://www.agoda.com/asia/vietnam/ho_chi_minh_city/luxury_hotel.html[/url]

Fuck, I really hope I didn't screw myself. It is off the main road and is a 2-3 star hotel. Hopefully I can bring a girl in.

I don't understand how they could refuse a girl when I booked the room for 2 people. She could be my gf or wife for all they know. They want her to sleep on the street.

I guess I need to email them or something to see if I need to cancel and book somewhere else.[/QUOTE]Looks more likely to allow, but if overnight is really important to you then I would search the archives here and book some place where you can be sure. But know also that any FL or billiard bar girls you meet will know of ST hotels, and they're cheap ($5-$10 probably, often included in the girl's fee). The thing about overnights is, I believe it's VN law: only married couples are allowed to share a hotel room. So booking for two doesn't matter, nor does it matter if you call her your GF. Doubt you would have a problem bringing a western girlfriend anywhere, even at 5-star top end places, but if they want to go by the letter of the law, they could make you get separate rooms. If you tried it with a VN national as your "girlfriend", especially if her passport says she lives in Saigon, even the 3 and 4 star places might still require separate rooms. It's not like other countries, it's still a pretty tightly controlled Communist country, in many ways much moreso than China.

If any guys can confirm if this hotel allows overnight guests it would be much appreciated and a few beers / drinks on me when I come in Dec / Jan.

[url]http://www.agoda.com/asia/vietnam/ho_chi_minh_city/luxury_hotel.html[/url]

[QUOTE=CaliPro; 1468644]If any guys can confirm if this hotel allows overnight guests it would be much appreciated and a few beers / drinks on me when I come in Dec / Jan.

[url]http://www.agoda.com/asia/vietnam/ho_chi_minh_city/luxury_hotel.html[/url][/QUOTE]Might want to x-post it in the HCMC Hotels forum. There is recent activity there.

[QUOTE=CaliPro; 1468546]No, I am talking about this hotel.

[url]http://www.agoda.com/asia/vietnam/ho_chi_minh_city/luxury_hotel.html[/url]

I don't understand how they could refuse a girl when I booked the room for 2 people. She could be my gf or wife for all they know. They want her to sleep on the street.

QUOTE]

CP, agreed it is not logical but it is Vietnamese LAW and it is enforced. You might have to buy two rooms or find another 2 star. I stay at a 2 star called Hoang Vinh 29 Ba Huyen Thanh Quan in D3. It is just off Nguyen Thi MinhKhai, a major street that has Saigon Star Hotel and Tao Dan Park. Saigon Star has MP on top floor girls want 500K+ tip for just a HJ. Outrageous but nice spa. Good luck.

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1468829]

[QUOTE=CaliPro; 1468546]No, I am talking about this hotel.

[url]http://www.agoda.com/asia/vietnam/ho_chi_minh_city/luxury_hotel.html[/url]

I don't understand how they could refuse a girl when I booked the room for 2 people. She could be my gf or wife for all they know. They want her to sleep on the street.

[/QUOTE]CP, agreed it is not logical but it is Vietnamese LAW and it is enforced. You might have to buy two rooms or find another 2 star. I stay at a 2 star called Hoang Vinh 29 Ba Huyen Thanh Quan in D3. It is just off Nguyen Thi MinhKhai, a major street that has Saigon Star Hotel and Tao Dan Park. Saigon Star has MP on top floor girls want 500K+ tip for just a HJ. Outrageous but nice spa. Good luck.[/QUOTE]I have a tight budget 25-30 usd a night on lodging and need to be in District 1 in walking distance to Apocalypse Now and Lush.

Hello,

I just would like to contribute by sharing my recent first day in Hoi Chi. I usually hang out in Indonesia so this here is all quite new to me. Feel free to criticize or give input. (My sincere apologies for typing errors as I am not used to write with a handphone)

First of all I arranged my visa before entrying. After 5 mins leaving the plane I passed customs and had my luggage which was quite nice. Good start. I checked the mai ling boot for a taxi voucher which I read should be around 200.000 Dong instead of the 150000 to district 1 outside but I was tired so didn't mind. However 300k was the asking so I said a polite fuck you (read: thank you) and I went outside. The more to the left I went the more it dropped till I found Visasun lady who said 150k and off I was toD1. I took a 3.5 star executive room with window in the hai long something hotel. I heard Vietnamese like to ripoff foreigners so I was on alert with the 500k notes I had in my pocket. And indeed at arriving I got my luggage presented the 500k note and he seemed to only want to give 50k. I saw 145 k on the meter and noticed the 10 k toll. So as a courtesy I made him pay all the change. No tip for ripping off. It did help the bellboy was standing next to me I guess. So checked in fluently; around 55$ a night with agoda. The room was big as it had 1 bed to much. Earplugs as I learned in Indonesia required.

So when we get to the ladys part? Alright the first part was just to inform fellow newbies going to Vietnam. I went down and smoked with the bellboys and asked if I could bring girls in. One said " girls no problem" but I'm not sure if I could rely on that ad his English was the sane as my mandarin (almost non existant ). The asked which room; then " oh 2 bed ". I told them I'm alone and have no wife or girlfriend but no suggestions were made. When I asked where I could find girls they didn't seem to understand. I tipped one before 20k Dong but girl no problem was sll he could rxplain. Its great howe some countries neglect the need to learn English to be able to watch brainless Hollywood movies. The reception was seemed ti watch English tv but I didn't feel like asking them for conpanionship.

Alright I'm getting there. I read this forum for 30 minutes but it all seemed complicsted. Mostly BJ places or korean haircut places which seemed difficult to find and outside district1. I asked for a bike at a Vietnam lady who seemed to know the bellboys and some English who said 200K. I saod it should be 100K (wikipedia thank you) and then she smiled and seemed to like me after I told her how I knew. She seemed pleasantly surprised. She called it bargaining. I call it another proof of polite ripping off. Anyways we had a nice; yes I would call it conversation. I didn't want to go to ben than market to arrange this as she suggested so I started already thunking about going ro Cambodia where in a past far away girls stayed in my hotel for a night and where for a cheap rice very gfexperience.

I'm getting there. Off to eat. Some guy at a motorbike offers me ladys for 40$ I'm hungry and I get headache from dollars so I ask in dong. He says 1 million. Which is more easy cause to get to indo rupiah I just have to divide by 2. A currency I know and can relate to easily in euro. I say 500k dong as the whole afernoon they seemed to ask for everything double. No no; I walk away. He says okey. I say later as I actually was very hungry. By the way I tried the in hotel massage earlier as in Indonesia usually they almost offer FS when you ask; more pricey but easy. The seemed to never have heard of inroom massage so I went down to the spa; ofcourse I got a male one as all others present localls got a girl (beats me why). Half open areaso nothing was possible anyway and he did quite a good job. 2 hour stone; foot; vegetables on the face was 320K.

Alright after eating another motoe guy approached me. In indonesia I don't do this cause usually it includes road ayam who are less clean and mostly drug addicts. His bike was clean, he followed me without being to annoying and the idea I had to puzzle 2 days in this forum to find a BJ or maybe a FS outside my area correlated with my next country being more conservative I said alright if it is less then a 3 min drive. 500K total we agreed. Room, girl and his service. I'm not sure he understood and expected some tip stuff. So said 30K to bring me back if I don't like what I see. I'm pretty sure he brought me to nguyen van trang street or a very short little ally after it if you go westside. If you exit the street you enter LeLai. We arrived and I saw a big red lamp sign: rooms for rent. I go in; sit down and after 1 min (he called slready on the 3 min drive) a girl came. She looked quite good; better then I expected and I'm usually quite picky. I said ok and noticed 3 others girls making their sppearance to come in from outdide (perhaps more after that?) And he signed they could go away. My choice looked more then good enough so I didn't mind. 500k to the reception. The driver asked money; I said no; no problem at all. We go to the room. Shower. Her english was as I expected (5 words). We go to the bed. She wants to do BBBJ and ask 200k tip. I say " if good tip otherwise no". Short BBBJ which was quite ok then the FS; she didn't want to start up top; I insist; gets tired fast and want to change. More of the same. Done after 25 mins or so. She makes clear only reason she is here is so I can finish. To the point and GFE:0. I had not much expectatuons so it didn't bother me much for this time. Her body was great:8/10, a face of 7/10 a bit hairy but nice pussy; she looked 18 so guess she must been 23.

So actually I was quite happy with the looks; much better from what I expected. The service was pretty bad but needed to cool down. A big contrast with indo where you mostly get GFE and a whole package (massage; kissing; GFE; talk etx.) but I realize it is just the first taste of Ho Chi.

Long story; which I hope can contribute to othet newbied. Of the experienced have some input always welcom. Suggestions are more then welcome. And I'm sure I overpayed. Just gave her a 20 k tip and said she was lazy. Perhaps she will look up the word. It might help to improve service unless you say it was to much already? Bur didn't want any problems as I don't know the habits here. I guess she had more then enough of the pie already as she seemed all ok with it.

[QUOTE=Medanboy;1468937]... One said " girls no problem" but I'm not sure if I could rely on that ad his English was the sane as my mandarin (almost non existant ). The asked which room; then " oh 2 bed ". I told them I'm alone and have no wife or girlfriend but no suggestions were made. When I asked where I could find girls they didn't seem to understand. I tipped one before 20k Dong but girl no problem was sll he could rxplain. Its great howe some countries neglect the need to learn English to be able to watch brainless Hollywood movies. The reception was seemed ti watch English tv but I didn't feel like asking them for conpanionship...[/QUOTE]I didn't know that they speak mandarin in Ho[b]i[/b] Chi Min(h) City

[QUOTE=Medanboy;1468937]...Its great howe some countries neglect the need to learn English...[/QUOTE]
It does not stop to amaze me that American travellers expect everyone in the world to learn their language.
I'd rather learn the names of the places I travel to.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1469033]It does not stop to amaze me that American travellers expect everyone in the world to learn their language.

I'd rather learn the names of the places I travel to.[/QUOTE]While I'm only surmising, from the OP's grammar and usage he doesn't sound American. I, OTOH, and American, and don't expect everyone to learn English. I'm happy that so many people throughout that various countries of the world do have at least some English, but I certainly don't expect it.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1469079]While I'm only surmising, from the OP's grammar and usage he doesn't sound American. I, OTOH, and American, and don't expect everyone to learn English. I'm happy that so many people throughout that various countries of the world do have at least some English, but I certainly don't expect it.[/QUOTE]So true. If they know some English, great. If not, we'll find a way. I try to learn basic greetings. Don't always succeed, but my attempts get many smiles & laughs. A great ice-breaker!

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1469033]I didn't know that they speak mandarin in Ho[b]I[/b] Chi Min (h) City.

It does not stop to amaze me that American travellers expect everyone in the world to learn their language.

I'd rather learn the names of the places I travel to.[/QUOTE]I never said I expect them to be able to be speak English. Just to illustrate the difficulty of the bargaining and the knowledge if the hotel is gff or not. About the Mandarin, its just an example expression; nothing to do with wath they speak or not. I'm not going to quote how many local languages I know from places I visited or stayed. I don't expect countries to learn other languages. Although something more broad spoken could be usefull.

Thanks for your openmind toward new posters and label me as an American or make assumptions I don't do my homework about trivial things. Just a report.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1469033]It does not stop to amaze me that American travellers expect everyone in the world to learn their language.

I'd rather learn the names of the places I travel to.[/QUOTE]I don't expect them to know English, but it would be smart of them to know some English, especially in the tourism area since English is the main international language (French in some areas).

Probably can thank the Brits for this. They kicked ass in the 18th & 19th century.

Medanboy, thanks for the report, but it was too long didn't read.

Cliff notes anyone?

Medanboy, congratulations on a great report. Such a nice change from the "no real content" posts we get here a lot either criticizing endlessly some fine point, or just sniping or bashing for no good reason, but I guess you got a look at a few of those types of posts here. ;.)

The worst has to be "your post is too long for my short attention span". Any intelligent member cringes when they see a post like that. It's an extreme minority opinion, from someone who doesn't contribute nearly as much as you just did. Not to be taken seriously.