Rio de Janeiro Reports

Azn Safado,

I was waiting for your report, so thanks again here ;)

Too bad you got bad session at L'uomo, it seems that even in terma if you hurry up or if you do not pay attention to the little signals, it can happens to have a non unforgettable experience.

The same for me at Solarium in september, a non good DFK in boite is seldom a GFE in cabine, but the % of GFE in terma is so high, that sometimes, at least me, I take the risk.

A bit unbelievable there are in termas girls who do BJ with condom, I thought it is a must there a BJ uncovered, but thanks to report this, so everytime I will ask in advance. ( in the last times I only asked if she likes anal or not thinking BBBJ is all the time included ).

So it seems Nuth does not worth to go until there, much closer 00 and not worst.

May I ask you a question ? Why in all the time you was there you only start talking to one girl and not to, for example, 5-6 girls ?

I understand that probably you was not so horny after session at L'uomo, but maybe talking to more girls, you could end to be much more successfull as it is hard to close the deal with the first and only one you choose.

Just a question to understand if with more effort, can be a good place to date regular girls or if, they are not much interested in meeting gringos. ( did you got some eye contacts as you got at 00 ? )

Thanks friend and keep on having great fun in Rio

Best regards

What type of music did they play at Nuth?

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]Photo taken at Help on Saturday, 1 November 2009.[/QUOTE]Any particular reason to avoid those girls?

[QUOTE=Bravo]What type of music did they play at Nuth?[/QUOTE]
Mostly house music, sprinkled in with remixes of pop songs like The Black Eyed Peas "I Gotta Feeling". Seems their playlist repeated after about 3 hours as I started hearing the same songs again.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
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So it seems Nuth does not worth to go until there, much closer 00 and not worst.

May I ask you a question ? Why in all the time you was there you only start talking to one girl and not to, for example, 5-6 girls ?

I understand that probably you was not so horny after session at L'uomo, but maybe talking to more girls, you could end to be much more successfull as it is hard to close the deal with the first and only one you choose.
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Nuth Lounge is very good, just depends on what you are looking for I guess. Club 00 has a much younger crowd, like rich kids (age 18-22) from PUC. So for people that are a bit older, I would recommend Nuth.

I don't go to night clubs back home in the US very often. So you could say my "game" isn't even polished at home. It's hard for me to just walk up to a group of girls and "open a set" in my own country. Now throw me into a foreign country and [b]Drgn's[/b] (ISG Poster) point seems valid - [i]The point is if your skill set is not developed to the point where you can consistently game/pull “high value targets” in your own country where you understand the language, cultural jokes, etc., then your chances of doing so in a foreign environment drop precipitously[/i]. I'm talking targets in general.

I mainly go to these clubs in Brazil for the experience and just to have some fun. If I happen to meet some girls then that's cool, but I don't go to these things with any expectation of bringing a girl home.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
Just a question to understand if with more effort, can be a good place to date regular girls or if, they are not much interested in meeting gringos. ( did you got some eye contacts as you got at 00 ? )
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I think it could be a good place to find some regular girls to date. Just depends if they find you attractive and charming, and you can communicate with them.

As for them being interested in meeting Gringos, I wouldn't have any idea. I would say it depends on the girl, ie, I can't generalize and say that 95% of them would not be interested because I don't really know what their attitude towards, and perceptions of, Gringos really are. It seems Sperto, Prosal, and friends have recently been actively debating in the " Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice " forum about whether or not it is good or desirable for these girls to date a Gringo, so I won't open up a new can of worms here.

[QUOTE=Azn Safado]Nuth Lounge is very good, just depends on what you are looking for I guess. Club 00 has a much younger crowd, like rich kids (age 18-22) from PUC. So for people that are a bit older, I would recommend Nuth.

I don't go to night clubs back home in the US very often. So you could say my "game" isn't even polished at home. It's hard for me to just walk up to a group of girls and "open a set" in my own country. Now throw me into a foreign country and [b]Drgn's[/b] (ISG Poster) point seems valid. [I]The point is if your skill set is not developed to the point where you can consistently game/pull "high value targets" in your own country where you understand the language, cultural jokes, etc., then your chances of doing so in a foreign environment drop precipitously[/I]. I'm talking targets in general.

I mainly go to these clubs in Brazil for the experience and just to have some fun. If I happen to meet some girls then that's cool, but I don't go to these things with any expectation of bringing a girl home.

I think it could be a good place to find some regular girls to date. Just depends if they find you attractive and charming, and you can communicate with them.

As for them being interested in meeting Gringos, I wouldn't have any idea. I would say it depends on the girl, ie, I can't generalize and say that 95% of them would not be interested because I don't really know what their attitude towards, and perceptions of, Gringos really are. It seems Sperto, Prosal, and friends have recently been actively debating in the " Non-Pro Garotas. Opinions & Advice " forum about whether or not it is good or desirable for these girls to date a Gringo, so I won't open up a new can of worms here.[/QUOTE] What all these pick up Artist talk? No wonder you have having issues with picking up woman.

Saying stuff like "open up a set" and "high value female" "talking targets" that sounds so NERDY and GEEKY I heard that foolish talk on VH1 the pick up Artist were this clown in a Top hat with a make up and eyeliner trying to get these NERDS to walk up and talk to girls all of that mess was set up for TV.

Just hit the gym and get yourself in shape that goes a long way in making a girl even look your way.

Kid Cisco

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco]What all these pick up Artist talk? No wonder you have having issues with picking up woman.

Saying stuff like "open up a set" and "high value female" "talking targets" that sounds so NERDY and GEEKY I heard that foolish talk on VH1 the pick up Artist were this clown in a Top hat with a make up and eyeliner trying to get these NERDS to walk up and talk to girls all of that mess was set up for TV.

Just hit the gym and get yourself in shape that goes a long way in making a girl even look your way.

Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]Ha, ha, ha, LOL!

Real talk!

[quote= Kid Cisco]Just hit the gym and get yourself in shape that goes a long way in making a girl even look your way.[/quote]

plus it releases endorphins, feelgood chemicals that make you more 'alive' and attractive; it increases your physical dexterity and stamina in bed; it makes you (and makes you look) like a 'doer' rather than a lounge lizard; and it's gotta make you feel good about yourself - one of the first steps to getting women to feel good about you lol.

[I]See you there![/I]

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco]What all these pick up Artist talk? No wonder you have having issues with picking up woman.

Saying stuff like "open up a set" and "high value female" "talking targets" that sounds so NERDY and GEEKY I heard that foolish talk on VH1 the pick up Artist were this clown in a Top hat with a make up and eyeliner trying to get these NERDS to walk up and talk to girls all of that mess was set up for TV.

Just hit the gym and get yourself in shape that goes a long way in making a girl even look your way.

Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I watch that show The Pickup Artist for pure entertainment. I don't actually believe in those retarded principles (DHV, Negs, blah blah), that might only work on a small number of stupid American girls with absolutely no self-esteem. I was just simply using the terms in the context of Drgn's quote.

I mainly go to these clubs in Brazil for the experience and just to have some fun. If I happen to meet some girls then that's cool, but I don't go to these things with any expectation of bringing a girl home.

I think it could be a good place to find some regular girls to date. Just depends if they find you attractive and charming, and you can communicate with them.

As for them being interested in meeting Gringos, I wouldn't have any idea. I would say it depends on the girl, ie, I can't generalize and say that 95% of them would not be interested because I don't really know what their attitude towards, and perceptions of, Gringos really are. It seems Sperto, Prosal, and friends have recently been actively debating in the " Non-Pro Garotas. Opinions & Advice " forum about whether or not it is good or desirable for these girls to date a Gringo, so I won't open up a new can of worms here.[/QUOTE]I'm sure most of you on this site are already are aware of what some Brazilians real perception of "gringos". To begin, most of the educated people in Rio believe most foreigners only travel to Copacabana for sexual tourism. If you do not have any official business or reason for being in Rio other than "I travel for my vacation to enjoy the beautiful beaches and learn the culture" don't fool yourself you will be considerd a suspect especially if you admit this is not your first time in copa. Lets face it the reality is most Brasilains love to gossip about other people and whom a better target than the young lady with the old gringo. There is a stigma that if a Brazilian woman is in love with a gringo it is only for money and a better way of life. Unfortunately, some of the women get riddiculed by friends, family neighbors because of there relationship with a gringo. For those who know the web site ORKUT there is a community on there entitled brasilians married to gringos and it talks about what these brasilain woman truly think about their gringo. If some of you guys read the blogs from that community you would be more cautious of what type of woman you associate your self with.

I hit centro again today. First, I stopped by BA 85. Big-breasted Amamda, dark brown skin and blonde streaks in the hair, was back on floor 3. She knows me well and it shocked the girls who thought I was a newbie to see I knew a veteran.

I sessioned with her for R20, though I think Amanda told the cashier R15 and kept the change. Anyway, I never really mesh well with her in bed, she is just fun in the lounge.

Floor 2 has a couple of cute white girls.

Floor 4 is still closed.

Floor 5 has the leftovers.

Floor 1 still has the highest quality girls. Carol does BBBJ, Luma has a nice big butt, and there are a couple of blondes.

I went to Urugainia 24 today and ran into Duda, who use to work at BA 85 on the 3rd and 4th floors. She is a major "ho. " Duda was running around practically naked, only wearing a small towel that barely covered her waist. To make matters worse/better she was hanging up Christmas ornaments while standing on a chair. There were about 15 guys standing around staring at her butt and pus*y. I was there for about an hour and she did about 5 guys, so I guess in one day she got tossed around about 40 times.

I did her around 5pm and she was real loose but still good. Being skinny she is naturally tight, so the looseness is actually good. R$20

My guess is that Duda just stopped putting her clothes back on because she was just basically getting passed around like a basketball! I expected to hear somebody shout, "I've got next! "

I then went back to BA 85 and pulled Paoloa from floor 3. She is brown with a nice round butt. I really dogged her out. I banged harder than I have all week in Rio and she screamed LOUD! At first she was faking it, but then she got real quiet and then just SCREAMED!

That chick who was walking around the other day asking for a real man was back there and I know she heard the butt slapping and screams. Whose the man, now?! R$15

Tijuana

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]This certainly was the case but I understand that a recent court ruling may change this. As I understand it, the ruling was that taking advantage or abuse meant that the person was forced into the acts. So, this would not apply to the Termas situations, thus not making them illegal. Here is the link to the Oct.2, 2009 article:
[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2009/10/02/para-procuradora-lei-tirou-bordeis-da-ilegalidade-no-brasil-767879223.asp[/url]

Basically, it is a new law (lei 12.015 from 7/8/09) that just was interpreted in a court case. If you google "lei 12.015" you'll find a lot of stuff.

If it turns out that way, it would be great as it could create more competition. However, this being Brasil, I wouldn't bet on what the outcome will be.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure this law will change why thermas are on "shaky" grounds. The new ruling deals with the issue of forcing a person into prostitution, which is always illegal. The problem thermas have is that they make money off the sexual services of others. In Brazil, and the US for that matter, it does not matter whether the prostitute is forced into the life or not, but the act of living off the earnings of a prositute (pimping or pandering) is always 100% illegal.

I think some others may have tried to make this point already. The problem for thermas is that they have to always deal with the "pandering" issue.

Anytime a politician wants to make the news he or she can go in and bust some people and then shout "explotiation!"
And that is what has been happening.
TJ

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]This certainly was the case but I understand that a recent court ruling may change this. As I understand it, the ruling was that taking advantage or abuse meant that the person was forced into the acts. So, this would not apply to the Termas situations, thus not making them illegal. Here is the link to the Oct.2, 2009 article:
[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2009/10/02/para-procuradora-lei-tirou-bordeis-da-ilegalidade-no-brasil-767879223.asp[/url]

Basically, it is a new law (lei 12.015 from 7/8/09) that just was interpreted in a court case. If you google "lei 12.015" you'll find a lot of stuff.

If it turns out that way, it would be great as it could create more competition. However, this being Brasil, I wouldn't bet on what the outcome will be.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting indeed. You are right: on the surface, the body text of Article 229 was changed to read "estabelecimento em que ocorra exploração sexual", i.e. "establishment where sexual exploitation occurs". Based on the interpretation that no sexual exploitation occurs in a termas considering that the girls are there of their free will, this would indeed mean that termas would be legal.

At the same time, the heading of Article 229 maintains the wording "Casa de prostituição".

Now, of course, the crux of the matter is: what constitutes sexual exploitation, and who determines that? And that's where the newly amended Penal Code doesn't say anything explicity.

But very interestingly, Article 231 (regarding international and domestic trafficking of a person for purposes of sexual exploitation) reads as follows. First, let me quote Article 231 for international trafficking:

[url]http://www.planalto.gov.br/CCIVIL/Decreto-Lei/Del2848compilado.htm[/url]

"Promover ou facilitar a entrada, no território nacional, de alguém que nele venha a exercer a [b]prostituição ou outra forma de exploração sexual[/b], ou a saída de alguém que vá exercê-la no estrangeiro" (emphasis added).

This wording is no accident, as shown by Article 231-A for domestic trafficking:

"Promover ou facilitar o deslocamento de alguém dentro do território nacional para o exercício da [b]prostituição ou outra forma de exploração sexual[/b]."

So in others words, according to the amended Brazilian Penal Code, prostitution is considered another form of sexual exploitation.

Pretty self-contradictory and strange, indeed.

[QUOTE=TJ Fannatic]The problem thermas have is that they make money off the sexual services of others.[/QUOTE]
IMHO, the principal legal problem of termas was that maintaining a "house of prostitution" used to be illegal per se. Whether they were making money off the sexual services of others was a secondary issue. With the new law, maintaining a *****house is no longer illegal, but an "establishment where sexual exploitation occurs" is. You are right, now the issue is whether they are benefitting from other's prostitution, and I agree with you... based on that alone, they are still on quite shaky ground.

EA

WIth all this talk about what is legal and what isnt. How is an escort agency like Karla Models legal? The girls live on site, are sent out to have sex with clients and then return and give a portion of the money to the agency. Sounds like textbook pimping to me! Why arent they raided every week or being shutdown?

[QUOTE=Redsox911]Any particular reason to avoid those girls?[/QUOTE]These girls are what make Help worth closing. They have an entitlement attitude, based on new mongers not knowing any better, and experienced mongers making rookie mistakes. Issue one, a friend on his 2nd trip to Rio orders a bottle of Whiskey and red bull for our group of four. THe girl in the middle is a friend of my friend's "gfe". Without him knowing other girls hit the bottle and red bull, plus added packs of cigarettes for a total tab of R425. 00. I was able to get the cigarettes taken of the tab, but Help wouldn't knock off anything else. The second issue was on me. I should've paid attention to the bottle and red bull, because I had more experience and should've known better.

The chick in the middle asked if I want to take her to my apartment for R400.00. I quickly responded "hell no"! She said, "ok you go home without me, but you must give me R200.00, because I partied with you. " 8-0

These 3 girls speak and understand english very well. I said "fuck you" as I walked out of Help. She followed me staggering drunk, shouting and ranting that I owed her money and she will call the police, who had 2 police cars parked on the sidewalk to the left of Help as you walk out of Help with about 4 officers. I kept walking across Miguel Lemos, and the heffer followed me ranting further that she has friends to help her get her money. Nevertheless, I los t her at Rua Xavier da Silveira and Copacabana.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]The chick in the middle asked if I want to take her to my apartment for R400.00. I quickly responded "hell no"! She said, "ok you go home without me, but you must give me R200.00, because I partied with you. "[/QUOTE]

If those are the type of chicks that are to be found in HELP then it should not only be closed but demolished. Immediately!

- DSK

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]These girls are what make Help worth closing. They have an entitlement attitude, based on new mongers not knowing any better, and experienced mongers making rookie mistakes. Issue one, a friend on his 2nd trip to Rio orders a bottle of Whiskey and red bull for our group of four. THe girl in the middle is a friend of my friend's "gfe". Without him knowing other girls hit the bottle and red bull, plus added packs of cigarettes for a total tab of R425. 00. I was able to get the cigarettes taken of the tab, but Help wouldn't knock off anything else. The second issue was on me. I should've paid attention to the bottle and red bull, because I had more experience and should've known better.

The chick in the middle asked if I want to take her to my apartment for R400.00. I quickly responded "hell no"! She said, "ok you go home without me, but you must give me R200.00, because I partied with you. " 8-0

These 3 girls speak and understand english very well. I said "fuck you" as I walked out of Help. She followed me staggering drunk, shouting and ranting that I owed her money and she will call the police, who had 2 police cars parked on the sidewalk to the left of Help as you walk out of Help with about 4 officers. I kept walking across Miguel Lemos, and the heffer followed me ranting further that she has friends to help her get her money. Nevertheless, I los t her at Rua Xavier da Silveira and Copacabana.[/QUOTE]The sooner help closes the better, if they all move up towards balconey, that shit will not be tolerated there. 200r for spending 200r on her on drinks. What a mut. Who the fuck do these *****s think they are? To many gringoes are letting them get away with anything. Could you imagine these *****s demanding 200r out off a brazilian who had just spent 200r on drinks on them? When I go to out the front off help, I grab a waiter and tell him that only I order drinks for people, no one orders on behalf off me or my table, same at balcony.

Drunken ***** Renata. great fuck if yo can ever get her to stop drinking. not worth the effort. Worn out, tired chicks. The whole trio. Sorry you had to put up with a night of those chicks.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]These girls are what make Help worth closing. They have an entitlement attitude, based on new mongers not knowing any better, and experienced mongers making rookie mistakes. Issue one, a friend on his 2nd trip to Rio orders a bottle of Whiskey and red bull for our group of four. THe girl in the middle is a friend of my friend's "gfe". Without him knowing other girls hit the bottle and red bull, plus added packs of cigarettes for a total tab of R425. 00. I was able to get the cigarettes taken of the tab, but Help wouldn't knock off anything else. The second issue was on me. I should've paid attention to the bottle and red bull, because I had more experience and should've known better.

The chick in the middle asked if I want to take her to my apartment for R400.00. I quickly responded "hell no"! She said, "ok you go home without me, but you must give me R200.00, because I partied with you. " 8-0

These 3 girls speak and understand english very well. I said "fuck you" as I walked out of Help. She followed me staggering drunk, shouting and ranting that I owed her money and she will call the police, who had 2 police cars parked on the sidewalk to the left of Help as you walk out of Help with about 4 officers. I kept walking across Miguel Lemos, and the heffer followed me ranting further that she has friends to help her get her money. Nevertheless, I los t her at Rua Xavier da Silveira and Copacabana.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]These girls are what make Help worth closing. They have an entitlement attitude, based on new mongers not knowing any better, and experienced mongers making rookie mistakes.

The chick in the middle asked if I want to take her to my apartment for R400.00. I quickly responded "hell no"! She said, "ok you go home without me, but you must give me R200.00, because I partied with you. "[/QUOTE]
That is really some funny shit, because a few years back my dad fucked the one in the middle for R$20. He picked her up from Meia Pataca and offered her R$1/minute for 20 minutes. And if I had time to dig out the photos to prove it I would. The girl on the right is of course Flavia from Rocinha. Although I have never fucked her I am pretty cool with her. The one on the left I have never seen in my life. They must have seen sucker written across you guys' foreheads.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]These girls are what make Help worth closing. They have an entitlement attitude, based on new mongers not knowing any better, and experienced mongers making rookie mistakes. Issue one, a friend on his 2nd trip to Rio orders a bottle of Whiskey and red bull for our group of four. THe girl in the middle is a friend of my friend's "gfe". Without him knowing other girls hit the bottle and red bull, plus added packs of cigarettes for a total tab of R425. 00. I was able to get the cigarettes taken of the tab, but Help wouldn't knock off anything else. The second issue was on me. I should've paid attention to the bottle and red bull, because I had more experience and should've known better.

The chick in the middle asked if I want to take her to my apartment for R400.00. I quickly responded "hell no"! She said, "ok you go home without me, but you must give me R200.00, because I partied with you. " 8-0

These 3 girls speak and understand english very well. I said "fuck you" as I walked out of Help. She followed me staggering drunk, shouting and ranting that I owed her money and she will call the police, who had 2 police cars parked on the sidewalk to the left of Help as you walk out of Help with about 4 officers. I kept walking across Miguel Lemos, and the heffer followed me ranting further that she has friends to help her get her money. Nevertheless, I los t her at Rua Xavier da Silveira and Copacabana.[/QUOTE]Wow,

Man this shit been going on for sometime now, the problem is many guys mostly "rookies" or guys that been to Rio a few times get afraid and pay these chicks their "keep your mouth shut money" I call it, BUT there are cases were a chick will go to your place on the agreed price and then get to your place and ask for more $$ and IF you don't give it to them! They will start breaking your stuff and crying they will call up their friends and the boyfriend that is a police to beat you up.

How to stop this? A monger need to weed out these chicks that run around with Known "crooks" and "con-artist" if these slick chicks get paid off just ONE time to just sit around on the sofa and get drunk and dance off your dime guess what? They will do it again and again why should they stop?

When I see a chick walking around with a pack of chicks that are looking and hunting around for a simp or a easy mark or a push over or whatever you want to call him "STAY AWAY FROM HER" no matter how round or Phat her Bunda looks LOL

I mostly only like to deal with a girl that is standing or sitting alone by herself either in the termas or in Club Help those are the ones that are their to get her paper and get paid and isn't looking for any problems.

I really think we need a thread just to post pictures of these "users" these "con-artists" chicks now to stop a monger from just posting some random chick that he fell in love with and later he found out she also was getting money wire by other "Capt save a hoe" mongers.

If two or three or more Senior mongers mongers also say they had the same chick try to rip them off, then she should be outed as a con-artist.

Kid Cisco

Yeah, that is Flavia aka "flava flav" (thats what she calls herself sometimes) on the right. She has been whoring FOREVER. That being said, I have fucked her. It was great, think I payed about R150. Funny part is she is REALLY fucking cool. I just had one issue with her, but once I sternly let her know what was up, we were back to normal. Honestly she is probably one of the better fucks I have had in Rio...Now if she could only do something about her teeth!

FREE

I have been a very big HELP sipporter, but after going there last Friday, I would have to say. its time to shut the doors. Like all the post before mine, the girls are week and think to much of themselves. The music is catered to the EUROS, and they are out there dancing with each other, holding hands,touching, and almost kissing, and I am talking about the dudes doing this to each other. I was told the DJ there is gay, and that has alot to do with the selection of music.

So, I for one will not miss HELP like I thought I would and also, I now alot of people dont agree, but BALCONEY is getting better, with a wider selection and better music.

Chris H

EA. thanks for the legal stuff. As we all know, there's the law and then there is reality, in every country. The reason we are discussing this (or at least my reason) is not that some change in the law will shut things down. It's just so entertaining in Brasil. Of course, Termas are illegal but they stay open because they make payoffs. When they do raid them it is because of some disagreement on the payoffs.

So, what is bad is some sort of turmoil where nobody knows the rules. That could happen with these changes in the law. One thing for sure is that nobody but the mongers want them to be legal. So eventually this will get sorted out and probably go back to business as usual.

The termas owners won't rock the boat because the illegal thing is a barrier to entry for competition I have a lawyer friend who says there will eventually be a court case to decide it. Fine, as long as it does not involve me!

[QUOTE=Chris H]I know who you are talking about when you mention the Argentinian. We did talk to her for a little while, and she did seem to be a nice girl, did you take her to your apt?[/QUOTE]
No, I did not take her.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]That is really some funny shit, because a few years back my dad fucked the one in the middle for R$20. He picked her up from Meia Pataca and offered her R$1/minute for 20 minutes. And if I had time to dig out the photos to prove it I would. The girl on the right is of course Flavia from Rocinha. Although I have never fucked her I am pretty cool with her. The one on the left I have never seen in my life. They must have seen sucker written across you guys' foreheads.[/QUOTE]They may have seen whatever they want, but I don't pickup Help or Meia Pataca women. I deal with either a non-pro or a terma girl. I find regular girls anywhere a van, bus, metro or my feet takes me. The benefit of terma girls is that its business there, or personal if she comes to you apartment. Their attitudes are usually better and they are cleaner.

But I was at Help because I was the wingman. My friend is hooked on one of Renata's girlfriends. Big mistake on his part but he has to learn the hard way. But I tagged along to make sure he left early enough for his new job in Rio the next morning. I've never ordered a whiskey bottle and red bull because I usually buy my drinks from the window, if I go into Help at all. For the record, like my trip last month, I didn't bang not one Help or Meia Pataca girl.

In fact, I met some friends at Meia Pataca, and some girls bellied up to the table. I purchased a drink for the girl who helped me get my CPF number and that's it. But when my bill came there were 3 caipirinhas, chopa and cheese fries that I didn't order. The other girls thought I was treating them, but I had the waiter to take that their crap off my bill. THEY had to scratch up some cash. So they may see sucker on my forehead, but I don't mess with broke, stinky and c-sectioned Atlantica chicks. Even on the beach.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]

The chick in the middle asked if I want to take her to my apartment for R400.00. I quickly responded "hell no"! She said, "ok you go home without me, but you must give me R200.00, because I partied with you. " 8-0

.[/QUOTE]

The blonde girl is Renata! She has a pretty face and a very nice full round plump ass! (on a side note, her mother works in help from time to time as well. I have thought about finally doing that Mother/Daughter combo fantasy I have had) I am surprised that Renata did that to you, she is normaly really cool, maybe because she was drunk off her ass. I have never been with her because she has a bad reputation of being a bad fuck. I few guys told me she is horrible in bed, also I noticed that I have NEVER seen anyone take her twice, so that lets me know that the rumors are true.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo]I have mongered all over Latin America and can vouch for the fact that there are many places where you can quality girls and excellent service for a fraction of what people seem to be paying in Rio: Costa Rica, Colombia, and, especially cheap, Ecuador, El Salvador, Uruguay, and Paraguay (absolutely the cheapest, but hard to get to). True, none of these places are as attractive as Rio and don't have the same amenities, but if you have already sampled what Rio has to offer and are just looking for pussy, I recommend trying these other venues. Even Buenos Aires, although not exactly cheap, might provide a balance between a cosmopolitan atmosphere and reasonable prices.

Lorenzo[/QUOTE]

I had the same thought..and that next time I would go to Buenos Aires for something different and cheaper. I did some investigating of BA lodging and found it comparable to Copa Premier or Atlantico. I checked Argentina Private and found the prices at places like Madahos to be similiar to Centro casa pricing. Then TJ started posting and reminds me of the $1R/minuto girls at BA85 and similar. At this point I don't see how Buenos Aires has any advantage over Rio Centro.

That being said..I am still considering spending only a couple days in Rio next time and diverting to elsewhere in Brasil, like Maceio, if that might be cheaper. I remember that one of the guys here on the Rio thread recently had a good time in Maceio on a small amount of money.

The real catch is that I get 95% good service in Rio and Sao Paulo, with CIM and anal when I don't even ask for it. It's hard to try something new where the service may not be so good. If I got to Macieo or Porto Alegre or one of the spanish-speaking countries and found that the service was all CBJ like most of the places in Japan, I would literally have a break down due to knowing what I missed in Rio or SP simply to save a few bucks.

[QUOTE=Free Sex]Yeah, that is Flavia aka "flava flav" (thats what she calls herself sometimes) on the right. She has been whoring FOREVER. That being said, I have fucked her. It was great, think I payed about R150. Funny part is she is REALLY fucking cool. I just had one issue with her, but once I sternly let her know what was up, we were back to normal. Honestly she is probably one of the better fucks I have had in Rio. Now if she could only do something about her teeth!

FREE[/QUOTE]To give Flav credit, she was cool. She and I laughed hard when Renata tried to talk shit. Everytime Renata said something I would mock her by repeating what she said and Renata and I wold laugh, because Renata was speaking bullshit. But I considered her guilty by association to warn other mongers. And her body was tight but her teeth looks like she chews rocks. And she has a sexy voice.

[QUOTE=Bravo]The blonde girl is Renata! She has a pretty face and a very nice full round plump ass! (on a side note, her mother works in help from time to time as well. I have thought about finally doing that Mother/Daughter combo fantasy I have had) I am surprised that Renata did that to you, she is normaly really cool, maybe because she was drunk off her ass. I have never been with her because she has a bad reputation of being a bad fuck. I few guys told me she is horrible in bed, also I noticed that I have NEVER seen anyone take her twice, so that lets me know that the rumors are true.[/QUOTE]And when i complained about the cigarettes because I don't some, the guys in the kitchen with the cash register said "cigarettes Renata. Renata looks like a has been. Her hands look like a middle aged woman.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo] ... but I don't mess with broke, stinky and c-sectioned Atlantica chicks. [/QUOTE]Too f'ing funny

[QUOTE=Tijuana Fannatic]The first thing he did was plop down on the couch/bench. They did not go up any further than floor 1 and it was obvious that he was very out of breath.

Plus, the girls were all laughing and nervously trying to get out of the sight of all three of them. These were REALLY big dudes!

I bet the guys left ba 85 for a more expensive enviroment, such as 4x4.

I, too, wondered how he got up the stairs but given the big commotion they made upon entering I will bet they stopped traffic for awhile.

To be honest I was glad when they left. I felt the way I did in college when we would be at a party having a good time and then some football players would show up being loud. For some reason these types of guys tend to have the attitude that they should always be the center of attention.

Sure enough today as soon as they got to floor one, pne of the big dudes turned around, pointed his gigantic butt at the girls sitting down and starting booty shaking. Most of the girls got up and that is what left the seat open for the biggest of the group.

The remainder of the time they were talking loud, in English, about I heard this place. And heard the girls.

Tijuana[/QUOTE]I was there when the three walked in. It was obvious that they had never been to BA 85 before. They stayed less than five minutes and didn't go above the first floor. They were polite, looked around. They were not loud, and yes they spoke English as they were talking to each other. If it had not been for there size. And yes they were large, and could be mistaken for football players. They probably would not have been noticed. It was the size of the men that had the girls giggling. It was not a sight they were use to seeing.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]I was there when the three walked in. It was obvious that they had never been to BA 85 before. They stayed less than five minutes and didn't go above the first floor. They were polite, looked around. They were not loud, and yes they spoke English as they were talking to each other. If it had not been for there size. And yes they were large, and could be mistaken for football players. They probably would not have been noticed. It was the size of the men that had the girls giggling. It was not a sight they were use to seeing.[/QUOTE]
1. I actually spoke to 2 of the girls who confirmed what I said.
2. I did not list a time, so I am unsure how you know when I was there.
3. I came in the next day and actually saw another group of big dudes, so it is not uncommon for them to go to BA 85; there is no law against it. Thus, I am again unsure that you were there when I was there.
4. I heard one of the guys make a comment to the effect that he had been there previously.
5. I heard every word they said over the loud music, thus they were speaking loud.
6. I think you have a slight comprehension issue. Obviously, my post implies that the size of the men was an issue. Why would you repeat the same thing?
You are a Very strange person!


Last, if you were in BA 85, where the HELL are your trip reports?

Sorry, but I do not believe a thing you said! LOL!

And to set the record straight, this is the second time you tried to flame me. Anytime you want to get together just let me know.

You have 22 posts and not 1 trip report. I believe you are a liar, loser, and lame. Please quit trolling and get some women and report.
TJ

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]Lorenzo, this poser, Funk, probably has never been to Brasil. And I'm sure he could not get a decent girl to put up with is ignorant, small minded self. He is just looking for attention.

Again, thanks for your report. It reminds us how far some girls will go to keep their claws into a guy they know is good.

Funk, show us how ignorant and petty some guys can be.

Come to think of it, Auda and Funk would make a nice couple.

I'm finished with this fool.[/QUOTE]
Only 22 posts, 0 trip reports but lots of flaming.
Why don't YOU actually contribute beyond talking crap...

Jackson should take note, guys like this guy are the reason many of us stop posting on this site. They just sit around playing with themselves worrying about others posts.
trick

TJ

Hi guys!

I will be in Rio from December to March and I will organize some semi-private stag parties. I am always looking for appropriate locations which must be able to give room to at least 12 people and have some soft flooring (thick carpet, ...) of at least 3x3m. A really oversized bed would do as well and a gym with sports mats would also be o.k.

I am looking forward to hearing from you

Jo

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]I was there when the three walked in. It was obvious that they had never been to BA 85 before. They stayed less than five minutes and didn't go above the first floor. They were polite, looked around. They were not loud, and yes they spoke English as they were talking to each other. If it had not been for there size. And yes they were large, and could be mistaken for football players. They probably would not have been noticed. It was the size of the men that had the girls giggling. It was not a sight they were use to seeing.[/QUOTE]
Icebutt Slim:

Care to add some actual information that has nothing to do with my trip report? I doubt you were really there for three reasons:
1. It is too much of a coincidence that a guy who flamed me a few months ago is in the same casa, same floor, at the same time as the one he flamed. Plus, it was fairly early!
2. Your reply was way too general and only restated what I said. If you had only added some information it might have been believable!
3. When I said BA85 was gringoized I was joking. It is still unusual to see gringo mongers there let alone be in there with a flamer like you on the same floor early in the morning! I think you took the bait and believed BA85 was like Meia Pataca and that you could just claim to have been there! NOT!

Perhaps we should have a trip reports for beginner's class!

OK, Icebutt Slim:
1. When did you arrive in Rio?
2. How did you get to BA 85?
3. What floors did you visit?
4. How many girls on each floor? What were their names?
5. Which girls did you session with?
6. How much did you pay?

P.S.
It is 8:37pm PST and I see you are online Icebutt Slim. Why not tell us of your adventures in BA 85? You could always look at my posts again and perhaps the pictures posted by Chris. and make up another story about being there! LOL!

TJ

TJ, your response to Smooth Slim is quite understandable, especially as you have been the butt of his attacks. But you know the old saying, 'don't feed the trolls . . .' ;)

Slim - on a personal note, I don't require proof or even graphic accounts. But since you are someone who has (in your words), 'been to Rio about 20 times since 2002,' a report of some kind would be quite nice don't you think?

It can all seem a bit blasé if you have read all the reports and feel there is not much new to add when you visit somewhere yet again. I personally don't need to have graphic accounts of people's action, though many forum members do enjoy this, and it gives flavour.

Can I suggest you put in at least one report. The things I like to know are where, when, how much you paid, the services offered, and whether you felt it was good value for money. Maybe throw in some small recognisable details about the location that have not been mentioned before - this, for me, not only adds some colour, but for others as well it shows you were actually there, which is a reasonable enough thing to want. Describing, for instance, the less-than-obvious shower facilities is both more helpful and more convincing than saying you happened to see a celebrity in Help, or that you saw people of a certain description in BA.

The purpose of the forum after all, is to help one another. Chat is nice. But it is sometimes a good idea to ask before posting, 'How will this post I'm making help other mongers?' I'm not being antagonistic. And writing is not everyone's forté, much less writing technicolor descriptions in porn style. But a small contribution of some kind, as opposed to a comment, would be reasonable wouldn't you say?

Since BA85 is the topic, here's some pics that illustrate the abyss of difference between the 2nd floor and the other floors.

The 'lens flare' effect on the second floor photos [i](the 2 on the left)[/i] is added affectionately to protect her identity, but the photos were taken in almost complete darkness (light bulbs being frequently outside the budget apparently). The flash of the camera illuminates the graffitied, makeshift walls.

Compare that to the properly lit, nice panelled cubicles of the 1st and 4th floors. They are not 4x4 standards or anything - the sessions are less than a tenth of the price of that establishment - but there is world of difference between them and those of the 2nd floor.

Asked why she chose to work on the 2nd the well-discussed 'R' told me that it was a quick turnover. She made more money. Who wants to hang about in such a cubicle??

There is rarely a difference in price between the floors. Maybe 5R at the most. Or you maybe get quoted different minimum session times (anything from 10mins up, with the fee adjusted proportionately).

[i][color=grey] apologies if I may have posted some of these before - just for the bunda[/color][/i]

I know these 3 girls that I've banged on previous trips. Each sends me emails on how much they love me and other gdp bullshit that I play on until my next trip to Rio. So the send me these posing photos. And in each photo there is the same front door, mirror and furniture. So I would ask each in whose apartment were their photos taken, and they would claim theirs. So I would as each he other's name and they claim to not know the names (until you visually see a Brazil ID don't believe a garota's name) of the other, but their girlfriend took the picture. Liars, liars, liars. I've banged a morena named Beth who is a great freak, early 30ish, and low key. You will find her in front of Help. She sent me photos and I thought "how sweet."

Then I met an American staying in my building who invited me to his apartment, and he was showing me photos of girls he took and I saw girls I've been with. Then I saw the picture Beth sent me. Guess what, he took the original and she sends them to her mongering friends "Amor, I miss you."!!! But Beth does completa, makes a lot of noise, will wipe you down with a hot towel, all for $200.00. And she leaves at 7 am.

Funny though, the guy has been going to Rio for 15 years, alaways gets the same apartment next to Meia Pataca on a top floor, and he sits in his window with field glasses. He has never been to Help or Meia Pataca, because he says it's to close to his apartment. But he took me to my first trip to Balcony in May 2009. We pulled two gdps that both we paid R150.00 each.

Back to the posted photos. You will find these girls either on the beach, Meia Pataca or Help, and they will all start at R400.00 but I got them down to R200.00 for 2 orgasms not all night, BECAUSE I don't want them in my way the next day. These girls will come down in price. No money up front. And if you get R200.00 to include completa, tell them R50 for BBBJ, R50 pussy, R50 for anal and R50 for cab. If they back out of one then you minus R50 just in case they back out of anal.

For the new ISG mongers, play the girls' lies in your favor. When I get back to Rio in a couple months our sooner, I will use these photos to get these girls in a bargain bind to get them for almost nothing. They want the gfe experience. Like Reagan told the Russians, "trust but verify (all information)."

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Hey Chris the 4th floor is very nice, does she really work in BA85 or is this a photo from 4x4 ? ;)

The only time I was there no nice girls, according to my tastes, but after I saw your photos....well....next time I will stop there for sure, at least to report to you guys here :D

Thanks for sharing the pictures

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hey Chris the 4th floor is very nice, does she really work in BA85 or is this a photo from 4x4 ? ;)

The only time I was there no nice girls, according to my tastes, but after I saw your photos....well....next time I will stop there for sure, at least to report to you guys here :D

Thanks for sharing the pictures[/QUOTE]


Yes, 3rd pic from left is Paloma on the 4th floor bar. The blonde girl is Patricia on the 1st floor bar. All BA85. But as I'm sure you know, there's very little that's certain, even from day to day. I usually try to give it a couple of sweeps. The good ones might be working or not on at the time and day I happen to be there. So much luck involved. I've rarely been lucky on the 1st floor, but scored on the 4th quite a few times. Then it's salgados and Casarao or somewhere.

[quote=Lorenzo]
I have mongered all over Latin America and can vouch for the fact that there are many places where you can quality girls and excellent service for a fraction of what people seem to be paying in Rio: Costa Rica, Colombia, and, especially cheap, Ecuador, El Salvador, Uruguay, and Paraguay (absolutely the cheapest, but hard to get to). True, none of these places are as attractive as Rio and don't have the same amenities, but if you have already sampled what Rio has to offer and are just looking for pussy, I recommend trying these other venues. Even Buenos Aires, although not exactly cheap, might provide a balance between a cosmopolitan atmosphere and reasonable prices.[/quote]

[quote=Puta Playa]
I had the same thought..and that next time I would go to Buenos Aires for something different and cheaper. I did some investigating of BA lodging and found it comparable to Copa Premier or Atlantico. I checked Argentina Private and found the prices at places like Madahos to be similiar to Centro casa pricing. Then TJ started posting and reminds me of the $1R/minuto girls at BA85 and similar. At this point I don't see how Buenos Aires has any advantage over Rio Centro.

That being said..I am still considering spending only a couple days in Rio next time and diverting to elsewhere in Brasil, like Maceio, if that might be cheaper. I remember that one of the guys here on the Rio thread recently had a good time in Maceio on a small amount of money.

The real catch is that I get 95% good service in Rio and Sao Paulo, with CIM and anal when I don't even ask for it. It's hard to try something new where the service may not be so good. If I got to Macieo or Porto Alegre or one of the spanish-speaking countries and found that the service was all CBJ like most of the places in Japan, I would literally have a break down due to knowing what I missed in Rio or SP simply to save a few bucks.[/quote]

ok BA85 (around R30 max / US$17 / UK£10), is cheap and not really luxurious (and 15 or 20R is common as well). But I've had awesome overnighters for R100-R120 this year. There's plenty of style in BsAs, but I'd welcome a simple guide to getting my rocks off in a friendly smiling manner for around US$10, or a memorable all-night-and-again-in-the-morning shag-of-one's-life for under US$70 there. I can't see it, but I'm open to learning and landing there briefly in a few weeks or so. (Yeah, I know RTFF for BsAs but it's harder work than even this one, and my bottom line is it hasn't changed [i]that[/i] much since I was there last time - at least in terms of pussy-to-the-£.)

Uruguay is a tolerable place for encounters, but hardly anything earth moving. And Maceio and Porto Allegre are hardly on the map. Like Montevideo, you search the classifieds and find something-for-the-weekend. But they are not exactly the Disneyland of pussyplay are they?

I think it's pretty hard to sample all of what Rio has to offer, even in a lifetime. Whereas I'd visit Paraguay in the hope I didn't get into any major trouble inbetween some cheap chuwawa. You have to go looking for it in practically all these places. Im Rio, you only have to look to make the game more fun. You could literally be the biggest, fattest, loudmouthed, overweight, unwashed, pox-ridden slob and do nothing except waddle down to the beach and some fannies would still line up to service you. ;) ;) ;)

Christopherd,

Thanks for the insight and keeping me from running astray from Brasil. You make a good point, mongering in Rio is so easy. The guys over at Argentina Private put up a lot of good information but, even with that, BsAs still seems like a tougher place to navigate for pussy. In Rio, we have limitless options just a short bus or metro ride away. Disney for lechers, as you alluded.

[QUOTE=Jo In Rio]Hi guys!

I will be in Rio from December to March and I will organize some semi-private stag parties. I am always looking for appropriate locations which must be able to give room to at least 12 people and have some soft flooring (thick carpet, ...) of at least 3x3m. A really oversized bed would do as well and a gym with sports mats would also be o.k.

I am looking forward to hearing from you

Jo[/QUOTE]

Jo,

Google for "Bwana dik's rio guide." It lists love motels.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Tijuana, your response to Smooth Slim is quite understandable, especially as you have been the butt of his attacks. But you know the old saying, 'don't feed the trolls... '.

Slim. On a personal note, I don't require proof or even graphic accounts. But since you are someone who has (in your words), 'been to Rio about 20 times since 2002, ' a report of some kind would be quite nice don't you think?

It can all seem a bit blasé if you have read all the reports and feel there is not much new to add when you visit somewhere yet again. I personally don't need to have graphic accounts of people's action, though many forum members do enjoy this, and it gives flavour.

Can I suggest you put in at least one report. The things I like to know are where, when, how much you paid, the services offered, and whether you felt it was good value for money. Maybe throw in some small recognisable details about the location that have not been mentioned before. This, for me, not only adds some colour, but for others as well it shows you were actually there, which is a reasonable enough thing to want. Describing, for instance, the less-than-obvious shower facilities is both more helpful and more convincing than saying you happened to see a celebrity in Help, or that you saw people of a certain description in BA.

The purpose of the forum after all, is to help one another. Chat is nice. But it is sometimes a good idea to ask before posting, 'How will this post I'm making help other mongers? ' I'm not being antagonistic. And writing is not everyone's forté, much less writing technicolor descriptions in porn style. But a small contribution of some kind, as opposed to a comment, would be reasonable wouldn't you say?[/QUOTE]Thanks for your measured response. My post was not a flame or an attack on Tijuana. I have not attacked him ever. In fact when he thought I attacked him previously, I was clear in explaining the rationale for my post and apologized for the misunderstanding. Sent him a private PM which he sought to ignore. His right. Changed my name because he had a point that it could be considered offensive. I'm not a person who just reads the site to flame people. Quite the opposite. Read my few posts and you will see that they are trying to be helpful or stating my thoughts on a post. I don't do it in a flaming or inconsiderate manner. In other post in other threads my posts have been one offering answers to questions posed. Read the posts and you will see I'm far from a troll.

The latest post was simply to state what I saw. Yes, I was there and can give more detail on that day that can be easily verified by Tijuana's sources. The three men that walked in came at a time when the workers were ferrying supplies up the staircase and the elevator shaft to the facility. It made the already small stairway crowded. Two of the men carried backpacks with them. And as someone stated, "they probably went to 4x4 after they left", that too is correct, because I went to 4x4 myself and saw them there.

Some people posts their experiences and find joy in it. If I can give info that I believe will be helpful I will post. I read the forum and have found it very useful. I have stated my opinion on Help, thought it was offered a good alternative for those who like to party and check out a different aspect of the mongering scene.

I was in Rio Thanksgiving week and visited 4X4, Solarium, MC, Luomo, Centaurus and Help. Hung out in Lapa at Circo Voador and Estrela da Lapa. Help is a former shell of itself and has outlived it's usefulness. I had to laugh and agree with the comment by one poster that at times there were more European men dancing on floor by themselves then with women. I didn't take one woman from Help this trip. All of my action came in the termas, with terma girls back at my apartment and with independents that I have maintained a relationship with during my trips and I generally see when I am in Brasil.

A first time poster Galvin said he had a great time in Luomo, but I found it to be a significant fall off from its glory days. They have placed a TV in the boite and a glass door which is strange. Doris, formerly of Solarium, is no longer at Luomo. Neither is her sister. I hear Doris is now at 65. Ingrid was not there the entire week of Thanksgiving. Another sister duo who use to work at Luomo is now at Centaurus. The sweetest person in Luomo is Rubi and many of her friends have left her for other termas. All of this can be verified by folks familiar with the terma scene.

Centaurus by my account remains is the creme de la creme with 4x4 and Solarium tied for second. MC has several girls formerly of Luomos and Solarium. I have found that girls are doing more terma hopping. In the week that I was there a beautiful shapely brunette who worked in 4x4, sorry didn't get her name, was working in Centaurus by the end of the week.

Thought about going to Black and White, but didn't get around to it. Couldn't find a number, but was told by a Brasilian friend that it the same as 4x4 and I would mostly be the only gringo in the joint if I went. He recommended it saying 4X4 style without the price. Even my Brasilian friend couldn't find a number for the place.

The crowds were down overall from when I first started going to Rio. Very light on American and Europeans. At TA there were very few women on the hedge rows and it was easy to find a table. Same for MP. The girls of Help were asking ridiculous prices. Starting at 400 and in many cases not wanting to go below 300. And yes all termas have raised their prices.

Again, I don't post a lot because much of what I would post would simply echo some of what has been posted. Another reason I don't post is because some on this forum are so judgmental and belittling of people who ask for information.

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[QUOTE=Tijuana Fannatic]1. I actually spoke to 2 of the girls who confirmed what I said.

2. I did not list a time, so I am unsure how you know when I was there.

3. I came in the next day and actually saw another group of big dudes, so it is not uncommon for them to go to BA 85; there is no law against it. Thus, I am again unsure that you were there when I was there.

4. I heard one of the guys make a comment to the effect that he had been there previously.

5. I heard every word they said over the loud music, thus they were speaking loud.

6. I think you have a slight comprehension issue. Obviously, my post implies that the size of the men was an issue. Why would you repeat the same thing?

You are a Very strange person!

Last, if you were in BA 85, where the HELL are your trip reports?

Sorry, but I do not believe a thing you said! LOL!

And to set the record straight, this is the second time you tried to flame me. Anytime you want to get together just let me know.

You have 22 posts and not 1 trip report. I believe you are a liar, loser, and lame. Please quit trolling and get some women and report.

Tijuana[/QUOTE]It is not a flame. Just commenting on what I witnessed. The day was Thanksgiving, Nov. 26 at about 1:45 pm Maybe we are talking about two different days. Maybe big guys are a common sight in BA 85 I wouldn't know, because I have only been there a couple of times. I was amazed when I saw the three black men because it is not a common sight even in the USA unless you are talking to athletes. Again, two of the men were carrying backpacks. I later saw them in 4x4 hanging with a white guy. I introduce myself and said I saw them at BA 85 earlier. They laugh about the tight fit. Three of them were from the West Coast and one from the East Coast.

[QUOTE=SaoPauloB]When you say cheap does that mean it has rats and roaches running around?[/QUOTE]
There can be roaches, even though not very common.
Rats? Yes, the size of large cats and they'll bite you in the balls.

Seriously, your major concern should be that the sheet is clean enough and that you don't put your hands in any used condoms.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]I think it's pretty hard to sample all of what Rio has to offer, even in a lifetime. ... In Rio, you only have to look to make the game more fun. You could literally be the biggest, fattest, loudmouthed, overweight, unwashed, pox-ridden slob and do nothing except waddle down to the beach and some fannies would still line up to service you. ;) ;) ;)[/QUOTE]Some of you guys really have a gift of prose. Particularly like the use of the word "waddle".

Had a great session yesterday with Adrianna Porto, a mulata from KM. Very cute and spunky. Highly recommended:

Beijos: SIM! Great kisser. Passionate, one of the best kissers!

Oral: Sim. With CIM. Although later she said she rarely does. At least fro free.

Anal: Sim. Once we got going it was really robust. I am not a big fan of anal but her little dance she was doing backing into me just lead us into it.

Her website pictures do her justice. I found her face to be very cute, with a great contagious smile. She is short 5'2" mayB. I am always amazed how small they are compared to their photos. But I am a tall guy. And she has been studying English so we had terrific conversations even with my starter Porto.

Face: 8

Body: 8. 5

Attitude: 10

Enjoys Sex: 10

Kissing: 11+

She brought the KM face book and took me through it. Giving me her insights.

Overall impression: things are looking up at KM. Nicer faces then 10 months ago when I last saw the book. Highlights:

Malu (new): smoking hot beauty. Beautiful face. I suspect she will not be there long. I am going to TD her today.

Pamela Winston: sexy and Adrianna's dupla partner.

Vivian: very cute

Nikki: very cute. But has a kid and does not go topless in photos (assume saggy tits)

Great There was a mix-up at my hotel and they lost my.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]A. I didn't take one woman from Help this trip. All of my action came in the termas, with terma girls back at my apartment and with independents that I have maintained a relationship.

B. The girls of Help, MP and the beach were asking ridiculous prices. Starting at 400 and in many cases not wanting to go below 300.[/QUOTE]There are smaller clubs popping up downtown. I've been to a place called Club 21 on my last visit. I went in looked and looked around. It was kind of dark so I left. It costed me about R12. 00 to do that. Went to 4x4 instead.

But most of the girls at the termas seem to be partying amongst them selves. Big advice, don't by them drinks. Some of the girls may be Copa girls or party with Copa girls and have begging manners to pad your tab.

I use to bang Luomo's tall Shayla there and my apartment. She's gone too.

I think these are strong points on Slim's above, A and B.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]

Thought about going to Black and White, but didn't get around to it. Couldn't find a number, but was told by a Brasilian friend that it the same as 4x4 and I would mostly be the only gringo in the joint if I went. He recommended it saying 4X4 style without the price. Even my Brasilian friend couldn't find a number for the place.

Again, I don't post a lot because much of what I would post would simply echo some of what has been posted. Another reason I don't post is because some on this forum are so judgmental and belittling of people who ask for information.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for trying to find that number to B&W! You said a couple of weeks ago that you would try to find it, and I appreciate your effort.

A general observation from me is that flaming happens very easily on the forum, and I think it´s sad. Some people get angry for very little reason and it brings a bad mood to the discussions. I was questioned myself a couple of weeks ago when I was asking some questions, and I find myself thinking twice to post again.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk]Thanks for trying to find that number to B&W! You said a couple of weeks ago that you would try to find it, and I appreciate your effort.

A general observation from me is that flaming happens very easily on the forum, and I think it's sad. Some people get angry for very little reason and it brings a bad mood to the discussions. I was questioned myself a couple of weeks ago when I was asking some questions, and I find myself thinking twice to post again.[/QUOTE]No problem Bdonkadonk. I will be back in Rio later this month. I will make a point of going to B&W just to get that number. And to check out the scene. It is the least I can do.

Slim

Do anyone know these current Help regulars in the attached photo?

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk]Thanks for trying to find that number to B&W! You said a couple of weeks ago that you would try to find it, and I appreciate your effort.

A general observation from me is that flaming happens very easily on the forum, and I think it´s sad. Some people get angry for very little reason and it brings a bad mood to the discussions. I was questioned myself a couple of weeks ago when I was asking some questions, and I find myself thinking twice to post again.[/QUOTE]I'donk: I disagree that people here get angry and flame very easily. There are many guys here that have been contributing great FREE advice on their time for years (not me - I am a relative newbie that has benefitted greatly from this advice.) They are very patient and kind in answering questions and trying to be helpful. I certainly understand the frustration they have from constant newbies coming on here and asking entry level questions without doing any legwork. You know - the posts that start with "In Rio next week, need a girl friendly hotel, any suggestions? What do garotas cost? Where is the best place to date a non-pro?" By searching the archives and taking a few hours someone can learn a great deal about every aspect of Rio - not just mongering. They can garner the confidence and intelligence to really enjoy a first rate time in the Marvelous City.

Now that is not to say there are some disagreements and personalty clashes here. And I am guilty of some of those myself. But that is guys just being guys. But even those are entertaining as the guys are intelligent and sarcastic. You also see guys apologize for their dust-ups too. For the most part I have found the guys here very civil, very supportive and helpful.

I believe you are personally referring to the negative responses you received trying to secure a phone number and intelligence for the termas Black & White in your dogged pursuit of the porn star Luana. One guy here finally (after quite a few posts from you) suggested you simply go, find out and report back. And I and others concurred. Sometimes you have to take one for the team and contribute back. No hard feelings.

Been staying in Centro last two days. After my morning session with KM's Adrianna which I reported on below, I went to finally check into my hotel. (Note: They originally had a problem with my reservation at Ibis Hotel Centro and they were booked solid (with Brazilians coming in on a cruise ship layover) when I arrived for a pre-arranged early check-in (although not guaranteed). I am a member of their loyalty program and never had an issue, I actually find their staff very accomodating and friendly. And they all speak English even for a Centro hotel. So I left my bags and told them I would be back in a few hours rather than wait around and be frustrated. That is when I ventured over to the local Malaga Motel in Tijuca and sessioned with Adrianna from KM. Malaga is a basic, inexpensive hotel. Rooms were very clean with private baths. I paid R$48 for a Luxo for 4 hours. I ordered in Completo breakfast for both of us for R$18. Was very delicious with loads of great fresh fruit which I ended up taking with me and eating the remainder of the day. Motel staff does not speak a word of English and rarely sees gringos. Even better, when I got back to the Ibis they had sorted things out by sending a few guests coming in to their sister hotel near the SD airport. So I was all set and they comped me the breakfast and lunch buffets for the next few days. So that more than covered my Hotel Malaga tab. A good omen for the start of my trip. My lession I learned: when you are handed lemonades. Turn it into pussy suco! Seriously go with the flow rather than stand around being frustrated. I was able to quickly improvise because I was armed with great info from here and GPG.)

The balance of Friday and yesterday I decided to stick with my strategy of balancing my budget with cheap Centro casas, and inexpensive KM and Scort show sessions with some termas visits.

So after some emails and meetings. I decided to try some Centro casas Friday afternoon using Sperto's maps and some new reviews from gpguia. Now the best advice here is to visit these casas mid-morning before the lunch rush and the girls get tired. Sperto gave that great advice but my schedule did not allow. Note about me: I am sort of a neat and cleaniness freak. Over the years I have been able to somewhat lower my standards and my expectations of establishment standards in exchange for lower-cost pussy. But I need to feel comfortable and there is a treshold to how low my cleaniness standards with go. That is me. I would not feel comfortable sessioning at VM. That being said, Bellas Massagem (185 Rio Branco, Sala 725) had been getting great reviews on gpguia. In particularily, Milenna and Julianna from there were. So I visited. It is very small with small make-shift rooms that are closed off up to the ceiling. No surprise, Milenna and Julianna were busy and the 3 Garotas I was presented with were not to my liking. So I left. And the place had that funky incense masking smell. So as a control to see what Centro casas were like in the afternoon. I went upstairs to BelPrazer, sala 2114 as I had been there previously. I was presented with 15 ladies (included Karla who I had a great session with previously.) About half new faces from my previous trip a few weeks earlier. Mamasan (who speaks fluent English and actually really appreciated the business and recognized me) said she is always having ladies approach her to work there. I think it is because of the cleanliness and somewhat higher prices (R$80 for 40 minutes, R$100 for 1 hour, $160 duplo hour special). I like the place. It is pretty clean with sealed towels. I always am given a room with a shower (cool water. Not hot). This time the ladies seemed to be really auditioning for me. Perhaps Karla had mentioned our terrific previous session to them. It wasn; t a slow day as I saw the work sheet on Masasam's desk and some of the girls were pretty busy already. Using the intelligence I garnered from looking at Mamsam's log I decided to session with Alice (who had not sessioned yet as she arrived late.) Alice isn't a classic beauty but I was intrigued by her lean tall hard body. I had dated a hard body fitness freak before and you can have some great active sessions. She did not disappoint in that regard. It was a one-hour rumble and I was deternmined to win the match! Really great super tight body. R$100 / hr, in a clean, spacious room. I like BelPrazer.

Back to work and then a dinner meeting. I was going to call it a night but I was still restless and I kept looking at the Metro pass on my desk in my hotel. I decided to shower and headed to the Carioca Metro station. I decided to take the short trip to north one station to go to 4x4 or Cancun. Then. Standing on the platform. I impulsively decided to play Metro roulette. Whatever train came next I would take. The next train that came was headed to Zona Sul. So off I went on a semi crowded train for 9:00 at night. Lots of commuters got off at Botafogo as I understand this is becoming the hot area for urban professionals to live in. They are buying the older buildings with tall ceilings and fixing them up. Having totally handed my fate for the evening over to the transpotation gods. I decided to flip a coin (heads Luomo, talls Monte Carlo, and if the coin landed on end. Centaurus. Knowing full well that would not happen and I would not be forced to pay those outrageous prices and deal with their management.) Heads. Luomo. Great and convenient. Lots of guys coming out as I leaving. They were also buying Luomo tee shirts, robes by the gross. Hell, they should offer Luomo action figures. I was fearing a sausagefest. Went in, and decided to actually sit in the sauna for a bit. Felt great as I felt all the grime from the city ooze from my pours. A long hot shower and into the boite. My sausagefest fears were immediately put to rest. 30 ladies, a dozen guys. Within 5 seconds, Pietra (my tall crazy mulata pal) sees me and leaves the guy she was talking to at the bar and runs and almost knocks me over in an embrace and liplock. Honey. I'm Home! With her heels she is looking me directly in the eyes and I am 6'5". She looks better than ever. Yeah, still smoking and drinking like a maniac. But she was smoking hot. She goes to finish her conversation with the guy at the bar. I take my corner seat at the bar and say Hello, to Peter the bartender (he and Barry are the best bartender team in Rio). Grab a beer and immediately the 3 chicas next to me start asking me how I know Pietra, where I am from, etc. Lots of new faces, half of them pretty hot. Pietra finishes her conversation, comes over and tells me she wants me to eat her pussy tonight. I respond by telling her R$100 por favor. Special price for her. She hears her song come on (I told you she is manic right?) and says she'll dance for me. She runs up and jumps on the pole stage, aims her ass in my direction and pounds out the song. Saleswomen of the year. Comes back, pins me up against the wall and clears my throat with her tongue. Grabs my hand and slides it in her panties. She is dripping wet. "You want to eat and fuck me now? " I responded in my best Jackie Gleason: "hummana hummana". Hit the room, she kneels down and proceeds to deep throat me. She is great. 69, and then every position imaginable. Always finish with her on top pounding away. Our equipment just mesh real well. Hand in glove. A perfect fit you would say. 45 minutes in we are both wiped. We order some drinks into the room and catch up on our lives. Ain't no way I was going to function sexually for the rest of that night. She is manic and a real live wire. But I really dig that lady's company. And the sex with her is mind-blowing. At least for me it is. Shower. Look at my watch. And the transportation gods that brought me this memorable night have one more great gift for me: it is not midnight yet and I could catch the last train back to Centro. No taxi needed. Get back, grab a few beers, a water and Ruffles at the hotel lobby to bring to my room. Put on TV and watch Letterman rip Sarah Palin. I don't think he will be doing any Tiger Woods jokes soon. A great first day. And I got a fair amount of work done.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]I know these 3 girls that I've banged on previous trips. Each sends me emails on how much they love me and other gdp bullshit that I play on until my next trip to Rio. So the send me these posing photos. And in each photo there is the same front door, mirror and furniture. So I would ask each in whose apartment were their photos taken, and they would claim theirs. So I would as each he other's name and they claim to not know the names (until you visually see a Brazil ID don't believe a garota's name) of the other, but their girlfriend took the picture. Liars, liars, liars. I've banged a morena named Beth who is a great freak, early 30ish, and low key. You will find her in front of Help. She sent me photos and I thought "how sweet."

Then I met an American staying in my building who invited me to his apartment, and he was showing me photos of girls he took and I saw girls I've been with. Then I saw the picture Beth sent me. Guess what, he took the original and she sends them to her mongering friends "Amor, I miss you."!!! But Beth does completa, makes a lot of noise, will wipe you down with a hot towel, all for $200.00. And she leaves at 7 am.

Back to the posted photos. You will find these girls either on the beach, Meia Pataca or Help, and they will all start at R400.00 but I got them down to R200.00 for 2 orgasms not all night, BECAUSE I don't want them in my way the next day. These girls will come down in price. No money up front. And if you get R200.00 to include completa, tell them R50 for BBBJ, R50 pussy, R50 for anal and R50 for cab. If they back out of one then you minus R50 just in case they back out of anal.

For the new ISG mongers, play the girls' lies in your favor. When I get back to Rio in a couple months our sooner, I will use these photos to get these girls in a bargain bind to get them for almost nothing. They want the gfe experience. Like Reagan told the Russians, "trust but verify (all information)."
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The picture you posted with this report.. I believe she nows works in Luomo. I saw a girl that looks strikingly similar to her there in November. Very friendly, very playful. I didn't session with her, but of the girls in the boite she exhibited the most energy. Again, I though Luomo had fallen off quite a bit, but I was struck by this beauty.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]The picture you posted with this report.. I believe she nows works in Luomo. I saw a girl that looks strikingly similar to her there in November. Very friendly, very playful. I didn't session with her, but of the girls in the boite she exhibited the most energy. Again, I though Luomo had fallen off quite a bit, but I was struck by this beauty.[/QUOTE]The Copa termas girls and the Atlantica Av GDP action is the same to me. But the girls in Luomo beg for drinks more than those in other termas.

I was in terma Monte Carlo when the blackout hit Brazil. For what was suppose to be my last night of that trip in Rio, I was sitting in MC with my main Rio mentor when after a hour of trying to size up the right girl, the lights went out. We all sat in the dark for a while until the manager, nice guy and former US Navy serviceman, with hit staff told everyone the blackout is all over Rio and we're done for the night (not in English of course). But you get the hint when the girls started to leave the bar.

So the zoo started. No power for the credit card machines. They found some portable light but mainly flash lights were used, and they used a honor system to ask you your activity and drinks in order to charge you. It was a long sweaty process. I think each monger took 20 minutes to get out because the receptionists had to calculate charges and give change the old fashion way before termas used machines. I believe we all got charged entrance fee regardless of the blackout early out.

Yesterday, I was pressed for time with business in the day. I managed to clear up an hour at 10: 30 am and headed back to BelPrazer. It is close to me and I knew what to expect with only an hour free. Got there, only 4 ladies were in as it was raining and some of the ladies were late arriving. Met the 4 and choose Duda, a tall, cute 21 y/o with very pouty lips and f' me eyes. Spoke some English. I choose her because after she introduced herself to me she walked in the adjoining reception room with the Mamasan and I heard her whisper in Porto "he hasn't chosen yet. Has he? " I asked Mamasan to have her come back in to see me. And asked her if she was really in the mood to go with me. And she threw her arms around me and gave me a great DFK and said she woke up so horny. Upstairs to the largest room. As I was the only patron there it seemed (they open "around" 10.) Session was good. Not great (she seemed to be protective when on top as I am well-endowed and it took her a bit to get adjusted but she did get a groove going). And I just could not get off. I attribute this more to my late session the previous night with Pietra at Luomo which really drained me (and the two previous sessions that day.) Perhaps I should have taken the morning off. But it beat going to the gym to work-out. That's my rationale and I am sticking with it. Duda said she came twice and I believe it as her very sexy eyes rolled back in her head a few times and she was wet as could B. She was upset that I could not come in the 40 minutes (R$80) and asked if I wanted to continue for an hour. I told her I was tired and the extra 20 minutes weren't going to help. Plus I had to get back to work. She wasn't the best at BBBF so I figured I'd leave. But I do recommend BelPrazer as a great entry to Centro casas for guys looking to start venturing there. Especially since Mamasan speaks English and really seems to aim to please. It is also so easy to find very near the Metro Carioca station. You can venture from there to others and see what your threshold is for other cheaper (and possible less clean) places.

Worked all afternoon and did not give pussy a second thought (well I tried to block it as much as possible – it is just so hard with so many beautiful women everywhere one turns in Rio). At 5, I decided to grab some food and take the night off and just chill. 15 minutes later I was in the shower, grabbing my Metro pass and in the Carioca station playing Metro roulette again. I would take the next train that came. Norte and it would be 4X4 tonight. Again Zona Sul train was first. Off to Monte Carlo. Get there and the cute slim receptionist/cashier (I forget her name) with the curly hair stands up leans over and greets me with an enthusiastic hug and kiss on the cheek. She introduces me to the two ladies working with her as her "Amerioca friend". I ask what's the Amerioca special of the day and she said jokingly "whatever you'd like. " I got the wrist band number "69" my very first time there. It became a running joke and everytime after she tried to give it to me. But it was already handed out and I was starting to think that it might be a bad sign. Get up to the showers and there are 10 guys showering. Including a group of 6 middle aged black Amercian guys, some new guys with a few friends that were Rio veterans and were showing them the ropes. Having a great time busting on one another. First time I saw a line for a shower. Again thinking I should leave. But instead, I hit the sauna. First the dry sauna, and then the steam sauna. Hot as hell and could not see the hand in front of my face. But a great, relaxing 15 minutes. By then the shower room emptied out (and I am anticipating a bad ratio in the boite) and I take my shower. I am a tall guy and when I was standing under the shower head I guess some water was spraying out into the next stall. Some old Italian guy starts giving me hell shouting at me as he was trying to get into the shower in the next stall. So I start yelling back that "you are going into the shower anyway and are going to get wet anyway. Relax. " He gets louder and angrier and tell him to "Shut the f up old man. " He kept it up and started knocking on my glass shower door. So I actually opened my shower door and pointed my finger at his face and cursed him out in the only Porto I know. He decided to use the cold water shower on the other side. He stayed in there until I left the shower room. WTF!

Now I am totally thinking the boite is really going to suck. And I head up. 25 guys in the boite and whiskeria and 4 girls. F' ME! I was going to turn tail and head out and admit I tempted fate one too many times. But then a young garota with a big ass, silicon tits and braces on her teeth recognizes me from my last visit (Luciana or something like that). She was the garota that immediately sat on my lap my last time there a few weeks back and was hassling me for a session. I kept telling her I was simply looking to relax for a bit and she kept at it and grinding her ass in my lap. When she kept asking me what I thought of her – I finally had enough and told I honestly found her ordinary and that big asses and silicon tits ain't my thing. She pouted, got angry and sulked and shot me nasty looks from across the room while I entertained myself with another lady later. So, she recognizes me and I'm thinking to myself that tonight is just going to get worse and she is going to start blasting me. Turns out she hugs me and kisses me and apologizes for hassling me the last time. I said thank you and offered her a drink as a sign of no hard feelings. She only goes for some suco and shared it with me (no alcohol). Peach, delicious. So I start asking her what is going on, where's all the ladies and she doesn't know. Meanwhile more guys and a group of Italian guys enter. It a sea of white robes sitting on all the seats and standing. I tell her she should go and mingle that I would think the odds were definitely in her favor, but she just wants to hang out. Talk about a lack of sales skills. I am finishing my beer and figuring I will head out when I look up and see 2 more ladies, then 4 more, then 8 more. I figured they bussed a bunch in from Rent-A-Garota. The ratio was getting better by the second. The room basically did a 180 turn in 10 minutes. I never witnessed such a thing. It was crowded and approaching an even ratio and I looked across the room and see this very tall, attractive lady standing by herself at the back of the boite. I asked Luciana who that was and she immediately goes across the room and brings her to me. Flavia, tall, long brown hair, tan and lean, hard and natural body. 28 y/o. I thank Luciana and she said we are even and goes to entertain the middle aged guys that were clowning around in the shower room. I believe she ended up sessioning with one of them.

I ask Flavia what is up and she tells me she is somewhat shy about auditioning in the boite. I laugh and she says she is serious – but aggressive in the cabine. I said she was playing me. She kept insisting – so whatever. We start talking, she's been there 2 years, occasionally does Help, knows Pietra and actually heard of me from Pietra. Within 2 minutes leans in and tells me her real name. I found her very interesting and we had a great comfortable conversation. She is very beautiful and has a calm demeanor. Almost too calm I tell her – buy she kept insisting she was a tigeress upstairs. I told her there was a no refund policy and I just wasn't too convinced and she then aggressively DFK's me, reaches into my robe and starts stroking me off. I return the favor and slip my fingers into her panties. I could tell she had one of those beautifully shaped, little lips, tight pussies (at least to my preference – not big meaty lips.) Sensing she still needed to convince me she whispered that she will rock my world in just 40 minutes (something to that effect.) I asked her if she wanted a drink to take to the room and she declined – that she wanted to get headed upstairs. She wasn't hard selling an hour, didn't milk me for drinks, and seemed eager to convince me that she was my girl. I found her to be model gorgeous. So, I decided that I was in.

First she comes out on a blue teddy with baby blue lace and said she wanted to match my eyes. (my blue eyes do seem to open up some conversations as they are somewhat rarer.) Legs up to there and a solid shapely ass. I am following her up the stairs to the smaller rooms (only 40 minute session) and enjoying the view. Never been in a small room there as all my sessions were an hour or a dupla. I make a comment that our feet will be on the wall when we fuck and she said "good it will help give you power. " I am liking this lady more and more by the minute. If she keeps it up – I am introducing her to my Mom. We start making out standing against the wall. With her heels on she is almost as tall as me. Great body, great firm natural tits. She grabs my cock and is rubbing it against her clit a fever pitch. It was one of those moments where you start thinking about bareback and really have to talk yourself out of it. I am not saying she would do it – but I as feeling it. So instead, I back off a little and she drops down and starts BBBJ. Not deep throat but really good. Really great session followed and we really pounded it out especially with the leverage from my feet being on the wall. She had numerous orgasms and really came hard. I came just before the buzzer rang. As we were leaving, she asked me why I did not want her phone number. I told her I wasn't in my right mind – that she just blew my mind. She wrote it down and told me to make sure I did not leave it in my roB. She asked if I was in town for awhile and I told her Sunday but would be back in early January. Turns out I'll be there for her birthday – and that Pietra's (from Luomo's) birthday is the previous day. I told her the 3 of us will celebrate in a private dupla. She liked this idea a lot as she really got along with Pietra when she worked at MC and they had a few duplas together before. Very similar bodies.

A great night pulled from the brink of disaster.

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The one in the middle I know. She fucked my boy, charged 100 Reals. The next time she raised the price to 200. He said she was a hell of a fuck. Shes 18, probably 19 now and a real sweet girl. She always in MP during the day also. The friends not sure who they are.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]The picture you posted with this report.. I believe she nows works in Luomo. I saw a girl that looks strikingly similar to her there in November. Very friendly, very playful. I didn't session with her, but of the girls in the boite she exhibited the most energy. Again, I though Luomo had fallen off quite a bit, but I was struck by this beauty.[/QUOTE]
Regarding the photo in this link:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=126294[/url]

I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw the picture. I think this is the girl Lina that is new to Luomo. She said she was 19 years old, been working there for 3 weeks, and that it was her first casa when I session with her in Luomo a couple of weeks ago. If the girl in the photo isn't Lina from Luomo, then she's a dead-ringer or a twin sister. So if this girl is a Help or MP girl, I would be kind of surprised unless she's a Help girl who started working at Luomo.

Nice report hughdad,

Rio is one off them places were you think you are destined to have a bad night and it turns out to be one off the best. For me the termas do it. Fixed pricing and you very rarley get a dud.

Go Flamengo !

Tonight, Flamengo will become the Brazilian champion for the 8th time and the city of Rio will fall in a orgy of debauchery.

Wear red shirts , if you are in Rio.

Mengo ! Mengo !


Congrats. in advance.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes]Tonight, Flamengo will become the Brazilian champion for the 8th time and the city of Rio will fall in a orgy of debauchery.[/QUOTE]
6:th time. :)

Thanks to bubba's guide I was able to take the train from cantafugo station (near Help on Miguel Lemos) to centro Uruguaina and hit local spots there. The train is not for the faint of heart during busy times, it gets really packed. The same only a little more can be said for Buenos Aires 85. Hardcore poor locals spot. I checked out all 5 floors, a bar in each of them with girls, decent selection, most are in good shape, no fuglies here. I got a programa for R17.50, the lowest I have ever paid anywhere. 20 mins or so, the girl was really clean, everything covered. only problem is no showers/running water and cabins are tiny.

Next I walked to BA 113, it was shuttered down, this was on Fri around 6pm. I went again on Tuesday evening to the area and it was still closed??

I hit 4X4 on both days and had a great time. Just love the atmosphere here, the music and the girls, and the service is mind blowing. This is the only Terma that makes me want to stay till they close. Had two 40 min sessions + drinks both times for a total of around R520 each time using a credit card.

On a side note Centaurus is a total ripoff IMHO. $450 for 40 mins and you have to pay in advance, and I was also told most do cbj's there, I insisted so I got one without. The girls are just about the same as any other tier 1 terma. Actually I felt Luomo, MC had better. They dont have phones in the room so you dont know the time unless you keep track. My girl told me it was over after one shot. My advice save R150 by going to MC or Luomo and have a better time.

[QUOTE=Kman1]On a side note Centaurus is a total ripoff IMHO. $450 for 40 mins and you have to pay in advance, and I was also told most do CBJ's there, I insisted so I got one without. The girls are just about the same as any other tier 1 terma. Actually I felt Luomo, MC had better. They don't have phones in the room so you don't know the time unless you keep track. My girl told me it was over after one shot. My advice save R150 by going to MC or Luomo and have a better time.[/QUOTE]When I have gone to Centaurus have never had to pay the full amount in advance, only the entrance fee, when they ask for R450 I tell them the other times I only had to pay the entrance and they have always said ok. I was in Rio last week and I can say as far as my tastes go Centaurus had the hottest women. I will agree that it is overpriced and one should be able to find what they want at one of the other termas.

In the past I have had girls at Luomo, Monte Carlo, and Centaurus give CBJ, never yet at 4x4. I think it depends on the girl and not the terma, the CBJ girls are definitely in the minority.

[QUOTE=Kman1]Thanks to bubba's guide I was able to take the train from cantafugo station (near Help on Miguel Lemos) to centro Uruguaina and hit local spots there. The train is not for the faint of heart during busy times, it gets really packed. The same only a little more can be said for Buenos Aires 85. Hardcore poor locals spot. I checked out all 5 floors, a bar in each of them with girls, decent selection, most are in good shape, no fuglies here. I got a programa for R17. 50, the lowest I have ever paid anywhere. 20 mins or so, the girl was really clean, everything covered. Only problem is no showers/running water and cabins are tiny.

Next I walked to BA 113, it was shuttered down, this was on Fri around 6pm. I went again on Tuesday evening to the area and it was still closed?

I hit 4X4 on both days and had a great time. Just love the atmosphere here, the music and the girls, and the service is mind blowing. This is the only Terma that makes me want to stay till they close. Had two 40 min sessions + drinks both times for a total of around R520 each time using a credit card.

On a side note Centaurus is a total ripoff IMHO. $450 for 40 mins and you have to pay in advance, and I was also told most do CBJ's there, I insisted so I got one without. The girls are just about the same as any other tier 1 terma. Actually I felt Luomo, MC had better. They don't have phones in the room so you don't know the time unless you keep track. My girl told me it was over after one shot. My advice save R150 by going to MC or Luomo and have a better time.[/QUOTE]When I got to a termas I always synchronize my watch with the girls eyeballs. In some termas the girls take forever to change and meet you. Some will smoke a cigarette before they session, and you are waiting. This happened in 4x4 and Cancun. The girls at these two places are notorious for long delays, but I have the time on my watch going. Sorry, but those are my reals and times. In luomo you and the girl enter the cabin together, ready to do the business.

In the interst of providing new perspectives....

It was a dark and stormy night. Really. One of those rare late-spring cold fronts had barrelled into Rio, mercifully quenching the searing heat that had apoeared so early in the season. Waves crashing on the beach, wind howling, stinging rain in your face. Just the sort of night to visit an old haunt and renew old connections. So, I made my way to bar 22. Let me say up front, I don't recommend it to many of you because of the grimy facilities and "variable" quality. At its best, it is a place not suited to many gringos. And that night was far from its best and, yet, in a strange way, it was.

As I climbed the narrow stairs, I sensed that something was not right. As I ascended and left the cool damp outside air, it became dense and steamy. The upstairs corridor was choked with people, local guys, stripped to the waist and standing around with a beer in their hand and a few girls. I pushed forward to pay the R12 entry fee (which gets you 3 beers, BTW) and when I got inside the boite, I learned that the AC was out.

I didn't even consider leaaving because I immediately sensed that something was different. Looking around at the sweating bodies, girls glistening as they plied their trade, I was transformed to an earlier time: a time before AC and upscale termas, a time when Rio was undiscovered by gringos and Zona Sul didn't exist. The Lapa was a steamy place with men and women drinking beer on the street and playing out their romances as they came. Everybody (nearly) was stripped to the waist, guys playing pool on the table with the impossibly small pockets. Lots of locals hanging out, a few doing sessions. I thought of those days before silicone, before HIV when you took your chances and got your dose of penicillin if necessary. You might have some explaining to do, but, generally, you didn't die from illicit sex. A simpler time.

While I was relfecting on this strange scene, I soon saw an old friend, Bahiana. She is really quite an incredible person and I have a lot of time for her, both in the cabin and out. Boundless energy, bright neyes and a beautiful, lean body are just a few of her qualities. She is not one for those who want large breast, though. The atmosphere continued in the cabin where the heat was dissipated by the large, ceiling-mounted rotating fan. What can I say -- we had a great session.

Later, in the boite, I was talking with some of the other girls and learned something really interesting. It turns out that a month or so ago, a "bandido" came in the place with a gun and robbed everybody. Then they went on to say that Rio was going to get real dangerous as we go into Christmas, and then, even worse for Carnival. They say the favelas will be the safest place to be since all the bandidos will be in Copa Cabana, Ipanema, etc. And they say it will be dangerous for Brasileros as well as gringos. OH well, we all know that, but it is easy to forget.

I guess they will get the AC going again soon and things will be a little more normal, but I must say, this was a unique evening. The girls were different that night. They had their defenses down a little and it was disarming -- even charming.

So, ever it is: the diamond in the rough is much more interesting and satifyng than ever could be the best jewel, reliably purchased.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]In the interst of providing new perspectives....

It was a dark and stormy night. Really. One of those rare late-spring cold fronts had barrelled into Rio, mercifully quenching the searing heat that had apoeared so early in the season. Waves crashing on the beach, wind howling, stinging rain in your face. Just the sort of night to visit an old haunt and renew old connections. So, I made my way to bar 22. Let me say up front, I don't recommend it to many of you because of the grimy facilities and "variable" quality. At its best, it is a place not suited to many gringos. And that night was far from its best and, yet, in a strange way, it was.

As I climbed the narrow stairs, I sensed that something was not right. As I ascended and left the cool damp outside air, it became dense and steamy. The upstairs corridor was choked with people, local guys, stripped to the waist and standing around with a beer in their hand and a few girls. I pushed forward to pay the R12 entry fee (which gets you 3 beers, BTW) and when I got inside the boite, I learned that the AC was out.

I didn't even consider leaaving because I immediately sensed that something was different. Looking around at the sweating bodies, girls glistening as they plied their trade, I was transformed to an earlier time: a time before AC and upscale termas, a time when Rio was undiscovered by gringos and Zona Sul didn't exist. The Lapa was a steamy place with men and women drinking beer on the street and playing out their romances as they came. Everybody (nearly) was stripped to the waist, guys playing pool on the table with the impossibly small pockets. Lots of locals hanging out, a few doing sessions. I thought of those days before silicone, before HIV when you took your chances and got your dose of penicillin if necessary. You might have some explaining to do, but, generally, you didn't die from illicit sex. A simpler time.

While I was relfecting on this strange scene, I soon saw an old friend, Bahiana. She is really quite an incredible person and I have a lot of time for her, both in the cabin and out. Boundless energy, bright neyes and a beautiful, lean body are just a few of her qualities. She is not one for those who want large breast, though. The atmosphere continued in the cabin where the heat was dissipated by the large, ceiling-mounted rotating fan. What can I say -- we had a great session.

Later, in the boite, I was talking with some of the other girls and learned something really interesting. It turns out that a month or so ago, a "bandido" came in the place with a gun and robbed everybody. Then they went on to say that Rio was going to get real dangerous as we go into Christmas, and then, even worse for Carnival. They say the favelas will be the safest place to be since all the bandidos will be in Copa Cabana, Ipanema, etc. And they say it will be dangerous for Brasileros as well as gringos. OH well, we all know that, but it is easy to forget.

I guess they will get the AC going again soon and things will be a little more normal, but I must say, this was a unique evening. The girls were different that night. They had their defenses down a little and it was disarming -- even charming.

So, ever it is: the diamond in the rough is much more interesting and satifyng than ever could be the best jewel, reliably purchased.[/QUOTE]The AC wasn't working Saturday either, although Flamengo wasn't playing for the championship so the shirts were on. For anyone new to this environment, suffice it to say: this is the flavor of Centro and points beyond Zona Sul. That Baiania still around? Great play for you mesomorphs looking to tackle a 125 pound morena'mulata.

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]The AC wasn't working Saturday either, although Flamengo wasn't playing for the championship so the shirts were on. For anyone new to this environment, suffice it to say: this is the flavor of Centro and points beyond Zona Sul. That Baiania still around? Great play for you mesomorphs looking to tackle a 125 pound morena'mulata.[/QUOTE]

Mesomorph. LOL. Not skiny but not an ounce of fat. Don't know about the shirt thing because this was not on Sunday. Maybe the saturday crowd is more gentile. LOL.

I received this today from a girl I've banged since March 2009. This girl is 18 and beautiful. She could R300-R900 a day easily if she's lazy. When I met her in front of Help at TA in March 2009, she was asking for R400. 00 for 2 hours. I got her for R200 for 2 orgasmos. May 2009 I ignored her the whole 10 days. She calls me safado.

Oct-Nov. R200. 00 all night, and she ran errands. I got hurt during last November blackout, and she went to get me some bottled water to bath when the water was out in Rio the next day, and she changed my wound bandages. When I added R50. 00 because she was very helpful. Not bad to have a pretty 18 year girl who sucks and fucks great but speaks no english to be so helpful. American women don't have the ability to even fake it.

But here is her long distant cry for help:

"I'm full of problems my mother is very I'll, I'm doing work in the house my mother I spent money I'm working on a folded out I have to buy clothes and shoes for my family because Christmas is coming the new year to my course I stopped because I'm not having money, are you still willing to come fight it says a lot things for me imargina as my head my life is very complicated, a thousand descupa por had you treated badly most do not know what I do is only one structure my house is me, I can not show them that I'm so descupas Then a thousand is great kiss is be with God.

Know that I love you despite all that.

Natalia! "

This email is probably going to 1, 000 gringos around the world that she sucked and fucked this year. I guess one or more of the other gringos will send her what she asks for. Not me!

I will see her when I see her! Don't Fall for the Christmas GDP Holiday Email!

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]Mesomorph. LOL. Not skiny but not an ounce of fat. Don't know about the shirt thing because this was not on Sunday. Maybe the Saturday crowd is more gentile. LOL.[/QUOTE]Everyone's looking for an early exit for their Saturday nite party.

Saturday historically a problematic monger night in Rio de Janeiro. Long time in the game, you anticipate Friday and look forward to Sunday. Ok, exceptions to every rule. No arguing here: just have not come to expect to find the Heart of Sa'diddy night anymore in RJ. True, that is one low-fat content Bahiania, but you play the hand you're dealt and the personal preference here is for the 48 max kilo girl, although gain half-a-dozen kilos and I'm singin' a different tune.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]I received this today from a girl I've banged since March 2009. This girl is 18 and beautiful. She could R300-R900 a day easily if she's lazy. When I met her in front of Help at TA in March 2009, she was asking for R400. 00 for 2 hours. I got her for R200 for 2 orgasmos. May 2009 I ignored her the whole 10 days. She calls me safado.

Oct-Nov. R200. 00 all night, and she ran errands. I got hurt during last November blackout, and she went to get me some bottled water to bath when the water was out in Rio the next day, and she changed my wound bandages. When I added R50. 00 because she was very helpful. Not bad to have a pretty 18 year girl who sucks and fucks great but speaks no english to be so helpful. American women don't have the ability to even fake it.

But here is her long distant cry for help:

"I'm full of problems my mother is very I'll, I'm doing work in the house my mother I spent money I'm working on a folded out I have to buy clothes and shoes for my family because Christmas is coming the new year to my course I stopped because I'm not having money, are you still willing to come fight it says a lot things for me imargina as my head my life is very complicated, a thousand descupa por had you treated badly most do not know what I do is only one structure my house is me, I can not show them that I'm so descupas Then a thousand is great kiss is be with God.

Know that I love you despite all that.

Natalia! "

This email is probably going to 1, 000 gringos around the world that she sucked and fucked this year. I guess one or more of the other gringos will send her what she asks for. Not me!

I will see her when I see her! Don't Fall for the Christmas GDP Holiday Email![/QUOTE]These *****s will always send emails like that, as there is always weak cunts who will send them money. 1000 emails = 10 weak cunts min.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]When I got to a termas I always synchronize my watch with the girls eyeballs. In some termas the girls take forever to change and meet you. Some will smoke a cigarette before they session, and you are waiting. This happened in 4x4 and Cancun. The girls at these two places are notorious for long delays, but I have the time on my watch going. Sorry, but those are my reals and times. In luomo you and the girl enter the cabin together, ready to do the business.[/QUOTE]

I thought the time in 4x4 doesnt start until they come back into the room, pick up the phone and speak to the girl at the desk. Almost every girl I have ever had at 4x4, brings me to the room first and then goes to retrieve her little box thing. Once she calls the desk, then the clock starts. She can take as long as she wants to get her things because she is not on my time yet.

[QUOTE=Bravo]I thought the time in 4x4 doesnt start until they come back into the room, pick up the phone and speak to the girl at the desk. Almost every girl I have ever had at 4x4, brings me to the room first and then goes to retrieve her little box thing. Once she calls the desk, then the clock starts. She can take as long as she wants to get her things because she is not on my time yet.[/QUOTE]Yes, it depends on the girl. But just like you have to check your bill to see if you got your entry discount or that you are not over charged, you must also monitor the time when you start and when the session is over. I where my watch to ensure I get my time, and I suggest other mongers do the same. Otherwise, there is no means to monitor the time unless you know exactly when the time starts and ends.

As a matter of fact, if you and the girl get along, they will ask the front desk lady (The room assigner if you will) not to call. I've stayed in a room at 4 X 4 for as long as 3 hours while paying the 1 hour rate (We got a knock on the door instead of the phone ringing instead). I've also had the same thing happen at Termas 502, Belprazer, and other locations throughout the city. It all depends on who you pick and how you get along with her, they sometimes just happy to be there with you having fun. Treating the girls like ladies go a long way to them really letting you get the best they've got and then some.
[QUOTE=Bravo]I thought the time in 4x4 doesnt start until they come back into the room, pick up the phone and speak to the girl at the desk. Almost every girl I have ever had at 4x4, brings me to the room first and then goes to retrieve her little box thing. Once she calls the desk, then the clock starts. She can take as long as she wants to get her things because she is not on my time yet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]I was in terma Monte Carlo when the blackout hit Brazil. For what was suppose to be my last night of that trip in Rio, I was sitting in MC with my main Rio mentor when after a hour of trying to size up the right girl, the lights went out. We all sat in the dark for a while until the manager, nice guy and former US Navy serviceman, with hit staff told everyone the blackout is all over Rio and we're done for the night (not in English of course). But you get the hint when the girls started to leave the bar.

So the zoo started. No power for the credit card machines. They found some portable light but mainly flash lights were used, and they used a honor system to ask you your activity and drinks in order to charge you. It was a long sweaty process. I think each monger took 20 minutes to get out because the receptionists had to calculate charges and give change the old fashion way before termas used machines. I believe we all got charged entrance fee regardless of the blackout early out.[/QUOTE]You posted this report under the big headline that you "Got Cheated" at Monte Carlo. Then your last sentence is you "believe we all got charged entrance fee regardless of the blackout. " Don't you think that is irresponsible for you post if you are not certain of something? I have found the management at Monte Carlo to be very fair, very honest and very hands-on when it comes to handling any dispute. They come up to meet you before you session to make sure you understand exactly what your charges will be and make sure you agree. I have witnessed a few customers complaints be handled calmly and satisfactory. If you feel you have been cheated why not deal with them next time you are there or even email them now. They will respond. I had an issue getting their Tuesday coupon by email and they emailed me and told me they will honor it regardless when I come in.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]As a matter of fact, if you and the girl get along, they will ask the front desk lady (The room assigner if you will) not to call. I've stayed in a room at 4 X 4 for as long as 3 hours while paying the 1 hour rate (We got a knock on the door instead of the phone ringing instead). I've also had the same thing happen at Termas 502, Belprazer, and other locations throughout the city. It all depends on who you pick and how you get along with her, they sometimes just happy to be there with you having fun. Treating the girls like ladies go a long way to them really letting you get the best they've got and then some.[/QUOTE]
Finally, someone posting here who gets it. Never been rushed at 4x4, in fact usually go at least 15 - 30 minutes over. I always laugh to myself when a guy returns from the room in 10 minutes going on about how he is "the man."

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Everyone's looking for an early exit for their Saturday nite party.

Saturday historically a problematic monger night in Rio de Janeiro. Long time in the game, you anticipate Friday and look forward to Sunday. Ok, exceptions to every rule. No arguing here: just have not come to expect to find the Heart of Sa'diddy night anymore in RJ. True, that is one low-fat content Bahiania, but you play the hand you're dealt and the personal preference here is for the 48 max kilo girl, although gain half-a-dozen kilos and I'm singin' a different tune.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what you just said.

This November I was in Rio for some days accompaining other people that don't share the same mongering passion I do. To contain costs I had to stay in the same room with them and therefore had to limit my mongering options to only termas and bordellos. The hotel of choice was the Premier Copacabana which I hear is girl friendly but I didn't exploit it as said.

Two words about the hotel: very professional staff, free wifi (not always fast but acceptable for browsing), good but always the same breakfast, easy to reach the Centro thanks to the metro right outside the hotel and it's in Copa (which I prefer to Ipanema, more shops and cheap eating options). Overall, recommended.

My previous mongering experience were in Berlin (Artemis), Cologne (Samya, Poleposition) and in DR (Sosua). This was my first time in Rio.

Touristic info

Taxi are cheap. Take one for going inside Zona Sul but don't for going to Centro (metro is faster and cheaper in this case).

Busses are plenty and very cheap too. Rua Barata Ribeiro, Av. Nossa Senhora de Copacabana and Av. Atlantica are the spots to take them, depending where you want to go.

If you want to spend a bit to eat out, Marius Crustaceos in Leme is the best for a great and entertaining evening. R$92 for all the meat you can eat and R$150 for all the fish. Not cheap but once is well worth going. Caipirinha on the beach is still around R$5, coco is a sort of fixed price at R$2, 5. A plate of meat shouldn't cost more than R$40 in Copa and R$45-50 in Ipanema/Leblon; for fish, add R$10. Pasta (if you dare to taste that soft version they have there) is no more than R$25, often way less. The same thing in Centro is R$10 cheaper than in Zona Sul. Of course, it all depends on the kind of restaurant you choose.

Day 1

Landed, dropped my bags and done a tour of my neighborhood to know my way around, I waited until my second day to test my first terma because of lack of sleep from the flight. No point in rushing out only to find too tired to do things as they should be done. I thought, given that I was so close and had no previous experience of any termas, L'Uomo would have been the perfect choice for my first time.

I walked inside the shopping mall where L'Uomo is (right after where is the stop for the Barra Expresso coming from the center of Copa) and headed upstairs and then on the right. L'Uomo is on the the corridor if I remember correctly, read the sign at the entrance.

Anyway, it was the 16:30 and I was surprised to find already a dozen of men present while only 9 girls. I'd bet it would have been the contrary. The selection was very good though: only a couple I'd have not accepted to session with, 3 of them were in the 6-7 range and the rest were 8+. Not good in quantity but very good in quality then.

And there was a great selection of colors too, 1 black girl, 2 mulattas, 3 fake and 1 real blondes and the rest all brunettes. For me that I like all the kind of women it was very good to have such a great selection.

That said, I sat at the bar stool, took my suco de laranja (no alcohol for me in these places) and watched the parade. Too many to chose from and too little time to taste them all I thought. I saw a small brunette with dark skin, bright eyes, beautiful smile and a body to die for entering and coming directly towards me. She was Ingrid, 25 years old, carioca. I was in the mood to spend and accepted her offer for an hour in a suite instead of a cabana. Obviously only after having made sure that she did "tudo".

She took my key and, to my surprise, left me waiting in the bar just to change herself from the bikini she wore to a very sexy red roB. This alone took a good ten minutes of time before I saw again Ingrid smiling at me from the entrance. I don't see the need for the girls to change before having sex (after all, in 10 seconds she is going to be naked again) but can live with it if the performance is good.

And it was.

She was real GFE, a lot of wet kisses, she undressed herself very slowly and then took charge in undressing me too in the same slow and erotic way. Then she started a BBBJ (not the best of my life but good nonetheless), before I headed to her vagina. Then fuck time, first in the classic, doggy, way and when she had put enough lube on her, in the anal way. She was very energetic and enthusiastic thoroughout the session, not a complain, not a moment where she seemed away with her thoughts, really GFE. I'm not the kind of guy that comes in minutes and I didn't want to ruin her ass for a week so I gave her the chance to let me come on her tits and let her relax a bit. Needless to say, Ingrid accepted my request and the first pop of the day was accomplished. After, we talked a bit, about how the brazilian condoms are thinner than the american counterpart, about what I liked about Brazil until then (what? The women obviously) and was even so generous to offer me a couple of condoms as a present, offer which I politely refused. A call on the phone from the direction ended our time together.

Shower, bathroom and I was ready to go back to the boite. As soon as I entered, a blonde and a brunette waved me over to their place on the couch and who am I to say no to two maidens in need of company? When there, I didn't like much the face of the brunette while the blonde looked far more attractive but very shy. I thought that a shy brazilian prostitute would be very rare so I started to investigate: Natasha is her name, 24 years old, carioca, brown-green eyes, small tits, great ass (no need to specify this when speaking about a brazilian girl though.) and very long, shaved, legs. She looked new, and after she confessed it, but was not that shy with her toungue, already exploring my mouth and ear at will. I got a good vibe from her and off to the cabin we were for our 40 minutes.

There she undressed slowly as Ingrid did, spent a good deal of time just kissing me (which I adore), and then a lot more time to make a BBBJ, very slow, very appassionated and overall very good. She brought me easily to the point of orgasming so I stopped her for a brief fucking session, in missionary and doggy. At the right moment I brought my penis close to her mouth, curious to see if she would have resisted or not but she didn't; instead, she received the cum in the mouth, taking really a good care to not let any drop of it on the bed and hurried for a used condom where to spit it afterwards. That was so unlike girls in Europe I thought. After the act she invited me to cuddle for a couple of minutes, just the time that was left before the end of the session. Then out to dinner for me and to other clients for her.

First day and already a good one.

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Should we add illiterate to your every growing list of redeeming qualities. No one (other than you) is talking about money. We are talking about respect. Getting away from guys like you is one of the reasons a lot of us travel to Brazil. Unfortunately, many of your type have started following us here.

Since there is little chance of you ever “getting it,” I suggest that other members do as I will after this post and put you on ignore. I think it has been established very well elsewhere that Neanderthal attitudes toward women will not be tolerated on this forum. Go back to your cave.

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Will somebody please report this guy's next personal attack via the "Report this Post to a Moderator" link, and be sure to note that it will be his 2nd violation.

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[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]If I feel that I was cheated I was cheated, and so was everyone else. What makes you feel that you have to challenge another member's post? Do you work for Monte Carlo? No one on this forum needs your opinion about what they want to post.[/QUOTE]You were either cheated or not cheated. There is no grey area. It is irresponsible to make a claim against a business that you "feel" or "believe" you were cheated - as state it as fact. If you feel you were cheated you should address it with them and not make a claim here that may not be true and could possibly influence other's opinions. But why am I wasting my time trying to explain this to you. I doubt you can grasp this concept. I will follow ET's advise and just ignore you from now on (or until you are banned here which seems inevitable.)

And no I do not work for Monte Carlo. But if the position for Garota Quality Control Inspector ever opens up I am applying!

[QUOTE=Hughdad]You were either cheated or not cheated. There is no grey area. It is irresponsible to make a claim against a business that you "feel" or "believe" you were cheated - as state it as fact. If you feel you were cheated you should address it with them and not make a claim here that may not be true and could possibly influence other's opinions. But why am I wasting my time trying to explain this to you. I doubt you can grasp this concept. I will follow ET's advise and just ignore you from now on (or until you are banned here which seems inevitable.)

And no I do not work for Monte Carlo. But if the position for Garota Quality Control Inspector ever opens up I am applying![/QUOTE]
I and other members of this forum don't need you or ET to explain anything to us. Ignore me then. You and ET seem to be talk to each other most of the time anyway. And a ban doesn't cancel my mongering activities, and I could login with other emails and user names like others do. Some people have more than one account. It appears that this forum is the Hughdad and ET show, to a degree.

I thought of going to test Montecarlo or Centaurus but the bad reviews I read about the latter and the greater distance (I'm lazy) of the former brought me to head again to L'Uomo. I was the first to enter, right at the 16:00. The experience of entering the boite as the only man and tasting how all the girls were looking at me was priceless. I grabbed a drink and sat to enjoy the show of around twelve girls all waiting for a move from me. I took my time, no reason to hurry I said to myself. There were some new girls that didn't particulary enticed me and a couple of the most beautiful of the day before were missing. Overall a bit worse than the first visit but still very good. There was a black, slender girl that seemed so busy talking with her friends that didn't notice my stares. When I thought to walk to her, Natasha was back at my side and instantly put her tongue inside my ear. I discovered myself unable to resist her avanches and so another appointment of 40 minutes with her was done.

In the cabana she was the same good performer as the day before, really passionate. I didn't want the session to end prematurely so I managed to control myself to the point of having the orgasm at the 39° minute (that was really good timing). She looked exhausted at the end and we were both copiously sweating but very happy. She told me to have come twice, it's a wonder how often those girls can come (or how good they are at pretending to).

Back in the boite, I spent a long time just watching and relaxing. It was still very early and there were no more than a half a dozen men present against 15-16 girls: very good ratio. Natasha after a bit came again at my side, I must have looked very alone, and started to comforts me as only a girl can to a man. I didn't want to repeat with her again, one is duty, two is pleasure, three is love and I don't want to fall in love that soon. So I kept looking around with her at my side, progressively getting more bored of me and of the club too I guess. Probably the best girls were busy because there was no one of the bunch of my favourites to be seen so I kept waiting until a mulatta entered and sat right in front of me on another sofa. She looked very ready to have sex, the kind of girl that seems to enjoy her job. I enjoy it as much as her and motioned her over to my free of Natasha side. Her name was Jacqueline, another carioca and another one available for "tudo". She immediately replied to my classic inquiry if for tudo I meant anal and I said: "yeah, even anal", which she promised was on the menu. Perfect, let's go to a room.

Jacqueline was very different from Natasha: where the blonde was shy, sweet and silent, Jacqueline was strong, straight to the point and very verbal. She didn't seem to enjoy preliminars too much and did a BBBJ just the time needed to ready herself with enough lube for anal sex. Then fucking, a fucking like in a porn movie: Jacqueline screamed, moved her ass up and down very quickly, alternatively glanced at herself in the mirror and at me, smiling. On the top, a constant stream of words like "safado" and "mais forte". I thought she was a pornostar but didn't remember to have seen her face before and I'm not the kind of guy that forget a beautiful girl (but haven't seen every porn movie too). Anyway, the session was raw and long sex, very PSE, something I had very rarely experienced.

After Jacqueline I really hadn't any more energy and juice so didn't remain to me more than leaving L'Uomo. Another great day though.

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It was a Friday and the Centro termas were going to be closed for the weekend and I realized that I hadn't visited any of them. No time to look for hidden gems so I thought that the classic 4x4 was due that day. I took the metro from Siqueira Campos to Uruguaiana and found myself in the middle of a local, busy market. I couldn't read any sign of Rua Buenos Aires but left my luck working for me and the first big street crossing the market was the right one. It's a bit of a walk from the metro exit, left and then up right to near the beginning of the Rua. 4x4 is just a small door and I nearly missed it if wasn't for the security guy outside that looked at me like he could help me. He could.

First, 4x4 is far huger than L'Uomo, like thrice its dimensions. The boite though isn't that big and definetly isn't big enough to contain all the people that frequent it. I entered there around the 15 and there were already 20-25 girls and a dozen of men, making the boite already quite crowded. Most of the men were black americans but the girls told me that italians, germans and brazilians are also quite well represented.

First difference with L'Uomo: the girls aren't on par with the Copa termas. Great bodies as usual but not the same beautiful faces. Not that they were ugly or something like that, not at all, just not as beautiful as at L'Uomo. I'd have rated half of them between 5-6, a ten around 7 and only a handful 8+. Still enough to find a good partner for a session though.

A blonde one, 30 years old probably, approached me. She was called Carla, had a beautiful smile and a way of dancing that I quite liked. Fake tits though but on the touch could have passed for natural ones. She is quite tall too, 180cm or around so.

When she mentioned that in a suite we could have sex in a jacuzzi I was hooked and down again we went (rooms are down the boite, near the men's

Locker-room). She stopped first at the reception to get a couple of condoms (which was completely unneeded because she brought with them in a suitcase enough for a week) and showed me the way for our suite, a lot bigger than at L'Uomo and with shower, wc, tv and our jacuzzi. I showered first and then let her have her turn of washing herself (which always takes more than a man would expect.). She didn't take the same time to fuck me though, she looked as she wanted to end the session very soon and obviously I didn't like it at all. I took my time fucking her doggy, she questioned me if it was normal for me to last that long and I answered positively (which is not always the case but I wanted to be certain that she dropped that hurry she had and relaxed more). My lie didn't worked and Carla looked more and more absent and silent. I came and, instead of letting us shower ourselves or taking a dip in the jacuzzi, Carla asked me if I could massage her back. I usually don't like to receive a massage so I couldn't say I was a fan of giving one too but thought that 5 minutes could have been well spent in trying to relax her for the second round. I did my best, which surely meant a lukewarm quality massage, and then asked her for the jacuzzi. She needed to use the wc first and I waited her for long minutes before she was ready again for me. Unfortunately that gave her the excuse to say that there wasn't enough time to try the jacuzzi too, and she was right because it lacked only ten minutes before the end of the hour. Maybe I was too polite but I let her go, not before being utterly surprised to hear her asking for a tip, that I firmly refused.

I guess she was not pleased with my answer because didn't spoke with me anymore and left my hand after just a couple of meters out of the room's door, leaving me struggling with the labyrintic settings of 4x4 to get back to the showers. Back in the boite I didn't see any girl that I liked much or perhaps I was left in a bad mood by the behaviour of Carla and wasn't hopeful that another girl could have a better professionality. I decided to get back to the hotel, hoping to have a better run at another terma the next day. Perhaps I was just stupid with Carla but after two days at L'Uomo I wouldn't have expected that sort of behaviour from a brazilian girl. Well, lesson learned.

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Last mongering day in Rio but not last day of vacation. I wouldn't have been able to test any other termas in the last days so this completes my Rio reports.

I thought to give a try to Centaurus but didn't want to waste 1 hour waiting for it to open (when travelling with other people it's not possible to be flexible with your time.) and opted for Montecarlo. I arrived there right at the opening and was the only other man there beside a middle aged white man. Montecarlo is bigger than L'Uomo and, as 4x4, is mostly spread over different floors, 5 if I'm not wrong. There is a lift that works pretty well to go between them or you can use the stairs (that with flip flops and wet feet can become dangerous). The shower room is big and everything worked better than in 4x4 (never had the pleasure to get hot water there.) and is more accomodating than the L'Uomo's (too small for the club IMHO). The boite is a middle way between 4x4 and L'Uomo, bigger than the latter's but smaller than the former's.

Anyway, there were only me and that other man at the time I entered and I wasn't given neither the time to sit that a stunning brunette approached me. I had already noticed her entering, she was in the middle of the group of girls present (more than a dozen, besides 3 or 4 not up to my standards, all very doables with at least 4 of them really stunning). I immediately decided that I would session with her, there was a good vibe in her that I liked on the istant, but I wanted to know her a bit more so we sat and talked. She was called Laura, 23 or 24 years old (can't remember), brown-blonde hair, round face, brown eyes, caramel complexion and all the curves in the right places without being fat. She was a good conversionalist, looked genuinely interested in talking, was ready to smile and laugh at my (poor) sense of humor and overall the kind of girl that if I had the chance to met outside those places would have considered myself lucky to have dated. She promised me to make good use of some of her "instruments", which didn't appeal me at all but seemed a good sign she was open to everything, so up we went.

After having to wait off the lift for her to ready herself, to our room we went. Room slightly bigger than at L'Uomo but still on the crammed side. I don't know if Laura had ever done some porn or if she was in the business for years but she looked like she could; she was very experienced, she was the only one ever that was able to put the condom on without using any hands (and I'm not over or undersized in that department), which I remarked with an applause. Laura was not GFE though, she liked to go straight to the point, be fucked well and long; yet I remember her as one of the most intense sessions I ever had because she was so into the sex, she never stopped stimolating me by pinching my nipples, slightly biting my earlobes, moving her hands all over my body and all the repertory that you would expect from a real sex expert. Plus, she had the body and personality to shine even in the middle of a Victoria's Secret fashion show.

To add to the experience, she had all sorts of "instruments" in her bag. At some point she extracted a big dildo from it, put a condom on it (in a single hand movement) and started to lick and suck it close to my face, inviting me to do the same (which I did without liking it though).

After the sex she did the only thing I didn't like in those 40 minutes, smoked a cigarette. Yet was polite enough to ask my permission first. We talked a bit more about Rio and her sexual views (she is quite bisexual I think, and wasn't even impressed that in italy we have many politics having sex with transexuals from Brazil). Great session, I was fully satisfied and Laura too looked as she liked it.

Next I wanted to experience a black girl. I wasn't generally impressed with the quality of them in Brazil, I think that the ones in Dominican Republic are far more beautiful than the black brazilians yet a first hand test was a must before taking a definitive opinion on the matter. I sat and a couple of girls approached me, no one I was interested in though. I remember Soraya because she was another good conversionalist and seemed happy just to talk with me. Unfortunately for her I was looking for something different and let the discussion fall. I kept looking around hoping to have the luck to see a black girl (at that moment there were only mulattas and the boite was crowding). I was lucky. A jet-black girl entered the bar, very tall, slender body, nearly no boobs but with a world class ass, long hair, big eyes and not the best face in the club at that moment but there was an instinctual attraction that moved me towards her. Yet I had to wait because she didn't notice me, a black guy invited her to the bar and kept her busy for good 10 minutes. I waited. He didn't seem interested enough in her because let her move freely again and promptly I snatched her to my place.

Her name was Danubia ("yeah, like the river") and seemed quite a nice person, smiling and funny. I already had no doubt about sessioning with her and a room upstairs was only waiting for us. There, I guess I somehow managed to excite Danubia or perhaps she hadn't had sex in a bunch of time because she became immediately very wet (and by very I mean *very*) and was so passionate that I honestly thought she could have a crush on me. But they are professionals so it's their duty to make us believe so, I repeated to myself. She was very good in making me believe it though, lots of wet kisses, cuddling, cowgirl and reverse cowgirl, a very fast BBBJ, missionary and then ending in cowgirl again. Along all the session she kept loudly breathing, sweating, kissing, trembling even and confessed me that came 3 times. Usually I don't believe much in how many orgasms can a prostitute have but if somebody had asked me to visualize the face of a girl that was having multiple orgasm I would have visualized Danubia's.

So, not the best looking girl, I would have given her a 6, 5, but a genuinely passionate one.

Unfortunately the time for me at Montecarlo was running out, no more sessions for me that day and no more for the rest of my staying in Rio. Overall I'd say that L'Uomo is the best of the 3 termas I tested but there isn't enough turn over of the girls to spend more than a couple of days there. Montecarlo had a bigger selection and perhaps kinkier girls, more dancing and less bored to death ones. It opens an hour before the others too, something that can be very useful at times. 4x4 had the only advantage to be cheaper over the Copa ones but I wouldn't choose it again only to save 10-20€ per session, the girls' quality wasn't high enough to justify saving some money instead of spending it in a Copa termas. Plus, I liked the soft atmosphere of L'Uomo or the funny one of Montecarlo more than the "raw" of 4x4. Clearly YMMV.

P.S. = is it normal to not to be impressed so much by Rio's girls as to finding myself longing to be back to Dominican Republic again? I thought Rio would blow away everything else but I don't feel this way now.

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Noticed that a new post had been made to this thread by Maylay Sparks. Went to look at the post and it was by Jamaicanceo, whom I have on ignore. Went back to the main thread listing and clicked on Maylay Sparks then asked to see all posts. Seems that Maylay Sparks is actually Jamaicanceo.

Nice Try.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Noticed that a new post had been made to this thread by Maylay Sparks. Went to look at the post and it was by Jamaicanceo, whom I have on ignore. Went back to the main thread listing and clicked on Maylay Sparks then asked to see all posts. Seems that Maylay Sparks is actually Jamaicanceo.

Nice Try.[/QUOTE][blue]Exec Talent,

Whatever else may be going on, I can tell you that Jamaicanceo is NOT Maylay Sparks.

What I suspect happened is that Maylay Sparks posted an antagonistic comment which you saw listed in the index and which I deleted shortly thereafter, apparently almost at the exact same minute that you clicked on it, which resulted in you being presented with Jamaicanceo's post, which was coincidentally at the top of the thread.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Admin][blue]Exec Talent,

Whatever else may be going on, I can tell you that Jamaicanceo is NOT Maylay Sparks.

What I suspect happened is that Maylay Sparks posted an antagonistic comment which you saw listed in the index and which I deleted shortly thereafter, apparently almost at the exact same minute that you clicked on it, which resulted in you being presented with Jamaicanceo's post, which was coincidentally at the top of the thread.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
Thanks for clearing that up.

[QUOTE=Lucasur] A jet-black girl entered the bar, very tall, slender body, nearly no boobs but with a world class ass, long hair, big eyes and not the best face in the club at that moment but there was an instinctual attraction that moved me towards her. Yet I had to wait because she didn't notice me, a black guy invited her to the bar and kept her busy for good 10 minutes. I waited. He didn't seem interested enough in her because let her move freely again and promptly I snatched her to my place.

Her name was Danubia ("yeah, like the river") and seemed quite a nice person, smiling and funny. I already had no doubt about sessioning with her and a room upstairs was only waiting for us. There, I guess I somehow managed to excite Danubia or perhaps she hadn't had sex in a bunch of time because she became immediately very wet (and by very I mean *very*) and was so passionate that I honestly thought she could have a crush on me. But they are professionals so it's their duty to make us believe so, I repeated to myself. She was very good in making me believe it though, lots of wet kisses, cuddling, cowgirl and reverse cowgirl, a very fast BBBJ, missionary and then ending in cowgirl again. Along all the session she kept loudly breathing, sweating, kissing, trembling even and confessed me that came 3 times. Usually I don't believe much in how many orgasms can a prostitute have but if somebody had asked me to visualize the face of a girl that was having multiple orgasm I would have visualized Danubia's.

So, not the best looking girl, I would have given her a 6, 5, but a genuinely passionate one.[/QUOTE]

Nice reports, thanks. Danubia is great. Her ass is indeed amazing. She has given me some of the best deep throat BJ's in my life. I was not real happy she got a boob job though. She used to have small perky tits. Highly recommended in duplas too as she sucks some mean pussy.

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NiceDa

[QUOTE=Admin][blue]Exec Talent,

Whatever else may be going on, I can tell you that Jamaicanceo is NOT Maylay Sparks.

What I suspect happened is that Maylay Sparks posted an antagonistic comment which you saw listed in the index and which I deleted shortly thereafter, apparently almost at the exact same minute that you clicked on it, which resulted in you being presented with Jamaicanceo's post, which was coincidentally at the top of the thread.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
Thanks Jackson for monitoring the board! Good Looking Out!

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]In the interst of providing new perspectives....
So, I made my way to bar 22. Let me say up front, I don't recommend it to many of you because of the grimy facilities and "variable" quality. At its best, it is a place not suited to many gringos. And that night was far from its best and, yet, in a strange way, it was.

As I climbed the narrow stairs, I sensed that something was not right. As I ascended and left the cool damp outside air, it became dense and steamy. The upstairs corridor was choked with people, local guys, stripped to the waist and standing around with a beer in their hand and a few girls. I pushed forward to pay the R12 entry fee (which gets you 3 beers, BTW) and when I got inside the boite, I learned that the AC was out.

I didn't even consider leaaving because I immediately sensed that something was different. Looking around at the sweating bodies, girls glistening as they plied their trade, I was transformed to an earlier time: a time before AC and upscale termas, a time when Rio was undiscovered by gringos and Zona Sul didn't exist. The Lapa was a steamy place with men and women drinking beer on the street and playing out their romances as they came. Everybody (nearly) was stripped to the waist, guys playing pool on the table with the impossibly small pockets. Lots of locals hanging out, a few doing sessions. I thought of those days before silicone, before HIV when you took your chances and got your dose of penicillin if necessary. You might have some explaining to do, but, generally, you didn't die from illicit sex. A simpler time.
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Great assessment of Bar 22. I had my first Carioca GdP there, and it was the first Rio p4p place I visited.

It felt...authentic, I guess, in comparison to gringo places like the termas or production line places like BA85.

Next time I hit VM for real 'authentic.' :)

My next Rio work trip is definitely 'on' now, so I am ecstatic and starting to plan...thanks, you guys on the ground in BR, for all the good pricing updates lately...

[QUOTE=Lucasur]

P.S. = is it normal to not to be impressed so much by Rio's girls as to finding myself longing to be back to Dominican Republic again? I thought Rio would blow away everything else but I don't feel this way now.

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[QUOTE=Hughdad]Nice reports, thanks. Danubia is great. Her ass is indeed amazing. She has given me some of the best deep throat BJ's in my life. I was not real happy she got a boob job though. She used to have small perky tits. Highly recommended in duplas too as she sucks some mean pussy.

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NiceDa[/QUOTE]

You're welcome. I had forgot Danubia's boob job, I guess I was so fascinated by her ass that didn't pay much attention to her tits. And her hard nipples made me forget all there was under them too I guess :-)

[QUOTE=Lucasur]You're welcome. I had forgot Danubia's boob job, I guess I was so fascinated by her ass that didn't pay much attention to her tits. And her hard nipples made me forget all there was under them too I guess.[/QUOTE]Last time I was there she wore a big fishnet "dress" it was more like she put a real tight fishnet on. Her tits and nipples were popping through the big holes. Nothing subtle about it at all. She really has changed over the 15 months I have known her. She used to be an innocent looking young lady and dressed more conservatively. She now drinks the hard stuff and seems to party a lot more. And she is much more aggreesive in the boite. But she seems to be earning a lot more. Good for her. The new tits gave her more confidence. She definately is not a beauty in the face (6. 5 I think you gave her a 6. 5). But she has a great smile and is a great kisser (at least I found her to B.) And she has started wearing shiny colored make-up which can look clown like. But her ass is a work of art, and so is her deep-throat ability (if she is into it.)

I had the best 4-some of my life with her and 2 mulattas. 90 minutes and pure raw carnal debauchery. Danubia was eating the pussies of the other 2 as if she was starved for months. I have only been with her one other time about 8 months ago. I found it be more mechanical than before. I always buy her a drink (if she is hanging out alone) and quickly catch up with her (she does not speak a word of English) and she always introduces me to a number of ladies.

[QUOTE=Lucasur]It was a Friday and the Centro termas were going to be closed for the weekend and I realized that I hadn't visited any of them. No time to look for hidden gems so I thought that the classic 4x4 was due that day. I took the metro from Siqueira Campos to Uruguaiana and found myself in the middle of a local, busy market. I couldn't read any sign of Rua Buenos Aires but left my luck working for me and the first big street crossing the market was the right one. It's a bit of a walk from the metro exit, left and then up right to near the beginning of the Rua. 4x4 is just a small door and I nearly missed it if wasn't for the security guy outside that looked at me like he could help me. He could.

First, 4x4 is far huger than L'Uomo, like thrice its dimensions. The boite though isn't that big and definetly isn't big enough to contain all the people that frequent it. I entered there around the 15 and there were already 20-25 girls and a dozen of men, making the boite already quite crowded. Most of the men were black americans but the girls told me that italians, germans and brazilians are also quite well represented.

First difference with L'Uomo: the girls aren't on par with the Copa termas. Great bodies as usual but not the same beautiful faces. Not that they were ugly or something like that, not at all, just not as beautiful as at L'Uomo. I'd have rated half of them between 5-6, a ten around 7 and only a handful 8+. Still enough to find a good partner for a session though.

A blonde one, 30 years old probably, approached me. She was called Carla, had a beautiful smile and a way of dancing that I quite liked. Fake tits though but on the touch could have passed for natural ones. She is quite tall too, 180cm or around so.

When she mentioned that in a suite we could have sex in a jacuzzi I was hooked and down again we went (rooms are down the boite, near the men's

Locker-room). She stopped first at the reception to get a couple of condoms (which was completely unneeded because she brought with them in a suitcase enough for a week) and showed me the way for our suite, a lot bigger than at L'Uomo and with shower, wc, tv and our jacuzzi. I showered first and then let her have her turn of washing herself (which always takes more than a man would expect.). She didn't take the same time to fuck me though, she looked as she wanted to end the session very soon and obviously I didn't like it at all. I took my time fucking her doggy, she questioned me if it was normal for me to last that long and I answered positively (which is not always the case but I wanted to be certain that she dropped that hurry she had and relaxed more). My lie didn't worked and Carla looked more and more absent and silent. I came and, instead of letting us shower ourselves or taking a dip in the jacuzzi, Carla asked me if I could massage her back. I usually don't like to receive a massage so I couldn't say I was a fan of giving one too but thought that 5 minutes could have been well spent in trying to relax her for the second round. I did my best, which surely meant a lukewarm quality massage, and then asked her for the jacuzzi. She needed to use the wc first and I waited her for long minutes before she was ready again for me. Unfortunately that gave her the excuse to say that there wasn't enough time to try the jacuzzi too, and she was right because it lacked only ten minutes before the end of the hour. Maybe I was too polite but I let her go, not before being utterly surprised to hear her asking for a tip, that I firmly refused.

I guess she was not pleased with my answer because didn't spoke with me anymore and left my hand after just a couple of meters out of the room's door, leaving me struggling with the labyrintic settings of 4x4 to get back to the showers. Back in the boite I didn't see any girl that I liked much or perhaps I was left in a bad mood by the behaviour of Carla and wasn't hopeful that another girl could have a better professionality. I decided to get back to the hotel, hoping to have a better run at another terma the next day. Perhaps I was just stupid with Carla but after two days at L'Uomo I wouldn't have expected that sort of behaviour from a brazilian girl. Well, lesson learned.

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Lucasur, Carla was an exception of a bad experience at 4x4 from my experience. For her to ask for a massage and a tip on your session time, I'm glad you made this post so other 4x4 mongers will avoid Carla.

[QUOTE=Lucasur]First, 4x4 is far huger than L'Uomo, like thrice its dimensions. The boite though isn't that big and definetly isn't big enough to contain all the people that frequent it. I entered there around the 15 and there were already 20-25 girls and a dozen of men, making the boite already quite crowded. Most of the men were black americans but the girls told me that italians, germans and brazilians are also quite well represented.

A blonde one, 30 years old probably, approached me. She was called Carla, had a beautiful smile and a way of dancing that I quite liked. Fake tits though but on the touch could have passed for natural ones. She is quite tall too, 180cm or around so.

When she mentioned that in a suite we could have sex in a jacuzzi I was hooked and down again we went (rooms are down the boite, near the men's

Locker-room). She stopped first at the reception to get a couple of condoms (which was completely unneeded because she brought with them in a suitcase enough for a week) and showed me the way for our suite, a lot bigger than at L'Uomo and with shower, wc, tv and our jacuzzi. I showered first and then let her have her turn of washing herself (which always takes more than a man would expect.). She didn't take the same time to fuck me though, she looked as she wanted to end the session very soon and obviously I didn't like it at all. I took my time fucking her doggy, she questioned me if it was normal for me to last that long and I answered positively (which is not always the case but I wanted to be certain that she dropped that hurry she had and relaxed more). My lie didn't worked and Carla looked more and more absent and silent. I came and, instead of letting us shower ourselves or taking a dip in the jacuzzi, Carla asked me if I could massage her back. I usually don't like to receive a massage so I couldn't say I was a fan of giving one too but thought that 5 minutes could have been well spent in trying to relax her for the second round. I did my best, which surely meant a lukewarm quality massage, and then asked her for the jacuzzi. She needed to use the wc first and I waited her for long minutes before she was ready again for me. Unfortunately that gave her the excuse to say that there wasn't enough time to try the jacuzzi too, and she was right because it lacked only ten minutes before the end of the hour. Maybe I was too polite but I let her go, not before being utterly surprised to hear her asking for a tip, that I firmly refused.

I guess she was not pleased with my answer because didn't spoke with me anymore and left my hand after just a couple of meters out of the room's door, leaving me struggling with the labyrintic settings of 4x4 to get back to the showers. Back in the boite I didn't see any girl that I liked much or perhaps I was left in a bad mood by the behaviour of Carla and wasn't hopeful that another girl could have a better professionality. I decided to get back to the hotel, hoping to have a better run at another terma the next day. Perhaps I was just stupid with Carla but after two days at L'Uomo I wouldn't have expected that sort of behaviour from a brazilian girl. Well, lesson learned.
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Sorry to hear that your 4X4 experience wasn't up to par with Luomo. That is indeed rare. Sounds like Carla took you to the Sultan suite. Nice room but overpriced, especially since she provided less than outstanding service. Generally if a women suggests a room that sends up a red flag that they are trying to inflate their paycheck.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]Sorry to hear that your 4X4 experience wasn't up to par with Luomo. That is indeed rare. Sounds like Carla took you to the Sultan suite. Nice room but overpriced, especially since she provided less than outstanding service. Generally if a women suggests a room that sends up a red flag that they are trying to inflate their paycheck.[/QUOTE]
That happened to me at Monte Carlo on my November trip. I don't know the suites, but I noticed on my bill. You experience and learn. The same girl tried to session a day later but I waved her off. So I try now to learn the suites. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying no if you think a girl is trying to get you into a suite that you don't want.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]That happened to me at Monte Carlo on my November trip. I don't know the suites, but I noticed on my bill. You experience and learn. The same girl tried to session a day later but I waved her off. So I try now to learn the suites. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying no if you think a girl is trying to get you into a suite that you don't want.[/QUOTE]

To be honest the problem wasn't in the suite or in Carla trying to upgrade me to it. I was ok with it and am experienced enough to know that it's me that have the choice in which room and for what time I want to stay with a girl.
The problem was that Carla managed to lose so much time that staying in a suite was pointless, no jacuzzi, no showering together, no second round etc. With this kind of service I'd have preferred a simple room and saved some money.

But some of it was my fault, I was too soft with her and the whole 4x4 didn't "click" with me. I find that when I'm not too fond of the club I always make bad decisions. I was too eager to choose a girl and probably I gave her the impression she was in charge of the game.

I am new to the forum but she's one of my favorites, I have been with her few times and as far as I am concerned she is really one of the best there if you like that type of girls.

I haven't seen her in the more conservative version <<without boobs>>and I probably lost something, but anyway she's damned hot.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]Last time I was there she wore a big fishnet "dress" it was more like she put a real tight fishnet on. Her tits and nipples were popping through the big holes. Nothing subtle about it at all. She really has changed over the 15 months I have known her. She used to be an innocent looking young lady and dressed more conservatively. She now drinks the hard stuff and seems to party a lot more. And she is much more aggreesive in the boite. But she seems to be earning a lot more. Good for her. The new tits gave her more confidence. She definately is not a beauty in the face (6. 5 I think you gave her a 6. 5). But she has a great smile and is a great kisser (at least I found her to B.) And she has started wearing shiny colored make-up which can look clown like. But her ass is a work of art, and so is her deep-throat ability (if she is into it.)

I had the best 4-some of my life with her and 2 mulattas. 90 minutes and pure raw carnal debauchery. Danubia was eating the pussies of the other 2 as if she was starved for months. I have only been with her one other time about 8 months ago. I found it be more mechanical than before. I always buy her a drink (if she is hanging out alone) and quickly catch up with her (she does not speak a word of English) and she always introduces me to a number of ladies.[/QUOTE]

I need the boards help!!! I have two non pros that want to go to a swingers club with me! Neither one has ever been to a swingers club before, I havent either, so we have absolutely no idea what to expect. They have both told me that they dont want to try switching partners the first time we go. They both just want to "put on a show" where they can fuck me in a room and have other people watch, but they dont want anyone else joining in.

One of my friends is bi-sexual and she has actually brought girls that she has met in the clubs, back to my apartment so we can both fuck her. Unfortunately, she is only attracted to blond, white girls with big tits (which really isnt my type) but, who am I to turn down pussy? LOL! The other girl is straight, however she is very curious to go to a swingers spot and see what it is all about.

I looked on the internet and I saw a club in Copa called 2A2, it seems like a really nice setup. I have had both girls create fake email addresses and sign up memberships to the place. Has anyone on the board been to this place? Or can you tell me of other swingers clubs that may be best for first timers? What were your experiences there? Was there alot of pressure to swing? How attractive were the women? Can you have sex in the club or is a place where you just meet and greet and then go somewhere else to fuck? Can you just fuck your partner without having other people join in? Looking for any and all information before we go, so i can prepare the girls and myself for the experience.

Hi All

Am in Rio for the next month , if anyones looking for a drinking buddy or termas partner please pm me , i speak fluent portuguese and can help in any GP translation.

Andy

[QUOTE=Bravo]I need the boards help!!!
I looked on the internet and I saw a club in Copa called 2A2, it seems like a really nice setup. Has anyone on the board been to this place? Or can you tell me of other swingers clubs that may be best for first timers? Was there alot of pressure to swing? How attractive were the women? Can you have sex in the club or is a place where you just meet and greet and then go somewhere else to fuck? Can you just fuck your partner without having other people join in? Looking for any and all information before we go, so i can prepare the girls and myself for the experience.[/QUOTE]

I have been to 2A2, it's a good place, downstairs is a boite upstairs are the rooms for sex.

There is no pressure to swing with others you can stay alone but Thursday nights is singles night so some single women but many single guys will be there, they can be bothersome, grabbing your girls ass as they pass by but just say no and they go away.

If a couple approaches you then just decline or accept no pressure at all.

Not sure if you can bring 2 girls in everynight because it's mainly a couple place but they have special nights for more than a couple like Thursday night.

I also have been to Henry club in Barra, just a touch more upscale place, mostly on Saturday nights but they also have specials, check out their website:
[url]http://www.hcswing.com.br/[/url]

Looks like thay have something new at Henry club, on Sundays its Menage day, so bring your 2 girls in:

ATENDENDO A PEDIDOS A PARTIR DE DEZEMBRO MISTA AOS DOMINGOS

Se vc não tem nada para fazer no DOMINGO esta afim de uma noite gostosa com muita sensualidade, venha todos os domingos , as festas mistas são mais apimentadas...Ideal para casais que curtem MENAGE com homens ou mulheres.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]

Not sure if you can bring 2 girls in everynight because it's mainly a couple place but they have special nights for more than a couple like Thursday night.

.[/QUOTE]

I should have stated it clearer. These are two separate girls! I would be going to the swing club individualy with each one, not as a 3some. I noticed on 2a2, that friday night is "first timers" night. I would never bring either girl on the single men night, both these females are super hot and it would cause a fucking commotion if they acted snobby and only wanted to fuck the american! LOL! Thx for the info on the other place!

Bravo,
I, too, have been to 2a2. It's cramped. The boite area is also small. I did not like it.

The other two clubs are both in Centro. I have not visited either.
Mistura Certa Clube: They have something going on Tuesday through Sat.

[url]http://misturacerta.com.br/[/url]

The other club is Club Mix, every Thursday, swing club Festa 18a meets and plays there. The club has several theme floors. I've always wanted to check it out, as it's setup like a regular nightclub.

[url]http://www.fantasiasdecasados.com.br/fc.html[/url]

[url]http://festa18arj.ning.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.clubmixbar.com.br/cmb.html[/url]

I'm familiar with the swing scene. There is never any pressure to participate.
You'll get approached, let them know you're new, and what you're into. They'll respect your wishes.
Your girl will be able to live out her fantasy at either place.

Reading reports and guides here... What sort of a shelter are you guys living in??

Went to VM last night, it was perfectly fine and not even dirty by my standards. Try Dolly (Surabaya ID) or A. Santos street (Angeles City PH).

The cabins were clean... The girls were cheap. I got BBBJ from both.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=Bkktg]Reading reports and guides here... What sort of a shelter are you guys living in??

Went to VM last night, it was perfectly fine and not even dirty by my standards. Try Dolly (Surabaya ID) or A. Santos street (Angeles City PH).

The cabins were clean... The girls were cheap. I got BBBJ from both.

YMMV.[/QUOTE]


Not trying to put down your standards but I have been there also and that place no matter how many times I go is filthy. You can't even have sex without having to put a sheet or towel on the dirty bed. This place is very low end and dirty. The girls don't even look that good unless your desperate to pull a girl just for pussy or feel like looking for a needle in the haystack. But thats just my opinion. This is nothing towards you.

All this swing talk reminds me of a scene in luomo a while back. I'm in the dressing room when this guy comes in with a lady. They must be Americans because she is feeling stressed and taking it out on him. 'What do I do. where do we go, etc.' Many questions, like a machine gun, no time to answer. I'm sure we have all been there. I felt sorry for the guy because he was obviously trying to do something for the two of them but it looked like it was going nowhere.

I found myself wishing they would hook up with Pietra who could knock some sense into her, get out that dildo she keeps for the French amd Italian guys (just quoting her, no offense intended) and give it to one or both of them and calm the whole situation down. Tranquillo!

But I was on the way out so I don't know how it turnd out.

Bottom line, I think most people have to try these more exotic things a few times before they get the hang of it. So tranquillo and good luck.

Picking out a gem in VM is like picking a needle in a haystack?
I would say that picking a suitable girl in Help is much harder work. That is, finding a beautiful, reliable, not spoiled, trustful Help girl that will not overcharge you.

The most beautiful pro I ever seen in Brazil I saw in VM a year ago. She was one of the few pro's I've seen that I would give 10 points without hesitating. I was walking around looking for what to choose. Then I suddenly saw a stunning angel down on the street buying a hot dog. I hurried up to her and told her I wanted a session. She laughed and pointed towards one of the casas "Get in line, you're lucky, right now there is only six guys in front of you." I checked out her casa and yes, there were six guys lined up waiting for their turn. I didn't want to be in that line.

Unfortunately the girl only worked two days a week, then she went back home to the suburbs. This was her second day that week. The following day I had errands to Feira dos Paraiba and thought I was going to try my luck at a sleepy VM around noon. Did I get happy when I passed the angels casa and heard that she was sleeping over in the casa? PLEASE, wake her up!

I got my session. R$ 25. It was absolutely fabulous (specially as the electricity went out and we had to start the session over again). Nice to be the first customer. No chance to take a photo, not even when I offered her R$ 50. Very amazing that she worked at VM and not at a upperclass terma. Two weeks later she wasn't working at VM any more.

[QUOTE=Tungurahua]Knowing what I have seen and purchased at VM, knowing some of the gems you have purchased and shared, this must have been one [i]super[/i] hot lady. The Eden of Rio rarely disappoints.[/QUOTE]
"The Eden of Rio", nice. I'm looking forward to share an apple with a VM Eve.
(BTW, her name was Viviane).

I returned last week and spent 11 days just in Rio. The weather absolutely sucked! Cloudy everyday, and it rained almost all the time. I've been going down there for over 20 years, and by far the worst weather ever. The prices for everything are outrageous! I only went to 1 restaurant that is well know, that being Porcaos, both in Flamengo and in Ipanema. The food is wonderful, but it's getting just too too pricey! I ate mostly at small restaurants/cafes, and the food is always adequate, yet still too expensive! I was excited to visit Help, and wow, was I disappointed! The dance floor was never crowded, and the crowds and excitement that has always been there in the past just never appeared! I have always enjoyed the beautiful outfits and the sexy dancing that goes on there, its quite a show in itself, but I almost can use the word "boring" to describe my nights there. The music was AWFUL, much worse than in past years. There always are a few incredibly gorgeous women there, but the overall number of women, being so much less than in past years, brought down the number of strikingly beautiful woman way way down! I visited 4x4 and was severely disappointed! Too many women with huge butts, and too large a body for me, and the ratio of guys to girls must have been around 7 or 8 to 1, if not more. Just too crowded for me! Luomo's on the other hand was wonderful, my best memory of this past trip. The atmosphere is much more relaxed, and the girls seem to enjoy chatting with the guys. I had a phenomenal experience there, one that I won't forget for a long while! I felt safer this time than ever before! For the first time I stayed in Copacabana, and I actually prefer it over Ipanema. I stayed at the JW Marriott. It is totally girl friendly, and the girls even had the great breakfast buffet for no charge the following morning if they chose to, and they always did! I know the Olympics are a long ways away for Rio, but it seems to me that they better get there act together, starting sooner, much sooner, than later! They have a tremendous amount of work that needs to be done. Traffic, the airport, the overall lack of nice hotels, the roads, are just a few of the things that need to be improved before the Olympics arrive! These are just a few random thoughts that have come to my mind since my return home last week. Still, even after all my "negative reviews", it is still the most magical city in the world for me. The city gives off a sensuality that is absolutely breathtaking. And the women, well, it is, and always will be a paradise for men. Nowhere in the world can the women of Brazil be equaled in both there beauty, and in there sexuality!

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[QUOTE=Sperto]Picking out a gem in VM is like picking a needle in a haystack?
I would say that picking a suitable girl in Help is much harder work. That is, finding a beautiful, reliable, not spoiled, trustful Help girl that will not overcharge you.

The most beautiful pro I ever seen in Brazil I saw in VM a year ago. She was one of the few pro's I've seen that I would give 10 points without hesitating. I was walking around looking for what to choose. Then I suddenly saw a stunning angel down on the street buying a hot dog. I hurried up to her and told her I wanted a session. She laughed and pointed towards one of the casas "Get in line, you're lucky, right now there is only six guys in front of you." I checked out her casa and yes, there were six guys lined up waiting for their turn. I didn't want to be in that line.

Unfortunately the girl only worked two days a week, then she went back home to the suburbs. This was her second day that week. The following day I had errands to Feira dos Paraiba and thought I was going to try my luck at a sleepy VM around noon. Did I get happy when I passed the angels casa and heard that she was sleeping over in the casa? PLEASE, wake her up!

I got my session. R$ 25. It was absolutely fabulous (specially as the electricity went out and we had to start the session over again). Nice to be the first customer. No chance to take a photo, not even when I offered her R$ 50. Very amazing that she worked at VM and not at a upperclass terma. Two weeks later she wasn't working at VM any more.[/QUOTE]
This so mirrors my own experience at VM, almost to each sentence, so it's probably the reason I love the place.

Finding a needle in the haystack at VM feels totally wonderful and quite unbeatable. Whereas going to the top termas one expects the jewels to be
lined up ready - which means disappointment if they're not.

[QUOTE=Scotob]I was excited to visit Help, and wow, was I disappointed! The dance floor was never crowded, and the crowds and excitement that has always been there in the past just never appeared! I have always enjoyed the beautiful outfits and the sexy dancing that goes on there, its quite a show in itself, but I almost can use the word "boring" to describe my nights there. [/QUOTE]


Remember that many of the girls have left Copa to go back home to thier children and families for X-Mas. Also, with the lack of tourists in town, the girls dont want to pay 40R to enter help, if they arent sure they will get a man for the evening. Help really only gets going on Fri & Sat. Best thing to do is wait out front and grab a girl before she enters the club, make her an offer while she is in line, so she doesnt have to waste her money on the entrance fee.

I thought for sure, Chris would have chimed in on this: :)

The Metro-Rio now goes all the way to Ipanema. President Lula came out and inaugurated the new station: General Osório, Monday. (Only took them 30yrs to get there. Hope their Olympic efforts are faster.)

There is also a new connection between Pavuna-Botafogo.

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/12/21/presidente-lula-inaugura-metro-de-ipanema-ligacao-direta-botafogo-pavuna-915306157.asp[/url]

Photo gallery at:
[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/12/21/presidente-lula-inaugura-metro-de-ipanema-ligacao-direta-botafogo-pavuna-915306157.asp[/url]

Looking at the Metro-Rio website, they haven't updated their maps, as I do not see the new station listed:

[url]http://www.metrorio.com.br/estacoes.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Scotob]I returned last week and spent 11 days just in Rio. The weather absolutely sucked! Cloudy everyday, and it rained almost all the time. I've been going down there for over 20 years, and by far the worst weather ever. The prices for everything are outrageous! I only went to 1 restaurant that is well know, that being Porcaos, both in Flamengo and in Ipanema. The food is wonderful, but it's getting just too too pricey! I ate mostly at small restaurants/cafes, and the food is always adequate, yet still too expensive!. For the first time I stayed in Copacabana, and I actually prefer it over Ipanema. I stayed at the JW Marriott. It is totally girl friendly, and the girls even had the great breakfast buffet for no charge the following morning if they chose to, and they always did![/QUOTE]Speak about outrageous prices. 10 nights at the JW Marriott. Must have cost over $3500 US, correct? Did you find the rooms there small? I stayed there for a few nights using my reward points and they gave me an Atrium facing room that was not much bigger than a large walk-in closet. But nice place, nice rooftop (small) pool and nice concierge level members lounge with free breakfast and snacks.

I hear you about the price of Porcaos. I went to a great churrascaria restaurant in a small town near Agua de Prata a few weeks ago. Apaloosa's. The best, most authentic churrascaria I ever ate. They hardly ever see gringos there. Nothing fancy, but a large, clean dining room with tons of Brazilian families out for a Sunday lunch. Great salads, great salmon, deliciously seasoned meats, fresh baked garlic bread, great dessert selection. Great service where I had to slow them down with my red card a few times. I brought the mulata bus ticket agent I have been seeing and helping with her English studies near my home, and the woman that cares for my home and assists with my work, her sister and her sister's 3 y/o son. 4 adults and a child. Drinks, coffee, dessert and tip. Total damage R$132. Was R$19 per person. Plus there was a great little play area for kids. I brought the boy out there when the ladies were having dessert and scored some real brownie points with my date. We spent the entire afternoon and night working off that meal.

[QUOTE=Java Man]I thought for sure, Chris would have chimed in on this: :)

The Metro-Rio now goes all the way to Ipanema. President Lula came out and inaugurated the new station: General Osório, Monday. (Only took them 30yrs to get there. Hope their Olympic efforts are faster.)

There is also a new connection between Pavuna-Botafogo.

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/12/21/presidente-lula-inaugura-metro-de-ipanema-ligacao-direta-botafogo-pavuna-915306157.asp[/url]

Photo gallery at:
[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/12/21/presidente-lula-inaugura-metro-de-ipanema-ligacao-direta-botafogo-pavuna-915306157.asp[/url]

Looking at the Metro-Rio website, they haven't updated their maps, as I do not see the new station listed:

[url]http://www.metrorio.com.br/estacoes.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
I went to Pavuna (aka, the last metro stop north) last month. It is very poor and sad looking. It became clearer to me why the beautiful girls come to Copa. In Pavuna, the main non government employer was one humble McDonald's near the Metro Station. Before I got off at that stop I saw favelas on both sides of the train.

As for the Ipanema station, it is right at the favela where Ipanema and Copacabana connect, Favela Pavao-Pavaozinho. I was up there on the back of a motorcycle. Also, it is where some of the criminals that are robbing the girls and recently set a bus a fire. I'm sure that station will be heavily guarded, but I wouldn't use it at night. If you miss Cantagalo coming from centro in the evening, make sure you have on running shoes and not flip-flops! And don't be by yourself looking like a gringo.

I was going through some old papers and saw that the entrance to Help in 1992 was 9000 cruzeiros, about US$ 5. Anybody has any knowledge what was the price that the Help-ladies asked for back then? Maybe RioBob knows?

[QUOTE=Sperto]I was going through some old papers and saw that the entrance to Help in 1992 was 9000 cruzeiros, about US$ 5. Anybody has any knowledge what was the price that the Help-ladies asked for back then? Maybe RioBob knows?[/QUOTE]

Well, I wasn't there in exactly the year 1992 but I was there few years before and a few years after.

As you know the money situation was quite different back then, you could exchange your money on the black market and get 30 to 40% more than the official exchange rate. This made Rio very cheap, Marius with beers was $6.

Copacabana girls never gave me a price at the beginning of the night it was all GFE, they spent the night and next day when leaving they would ask for a "present". I remember paying them less than Amsterdam and Amsterdam had fixed prices of $35 short term. So we probably gave them about $20 to $30 for a nice Copacabana girl for TLN.

Today it's much different, people are advised here to get everything in writing first including price and services. In those days it was really like meeting a girl and having a one night stand, only difference was the small "present" in the morning. Many of these girls would show up the next day and wait outside your hotel, we used to avoid them of course, now I meet their daughters.

Help's staff has appealed to Alerj, the Rio State Worker's Commission to keep Help open til the end of summer.

While the deputies decided the future of the electronic ticket in Parliament, officials of the Club Help in Copacabana, occupied the galleries of Alerj.

With banners in hand, they ask that Help not close Jan 2 as the Governor stated, as it's tourist season. "We need to work til Carnaval," stated Maria Emília Malho, a Rep for the workers.

And today, they're holding a protest at an inauguration for a New Police Station, (the UPP) in Pavão-Pavãozinho.

We, (those that are Pro-Help,) will be deeply indebted to Help's staff, if their efforts are successful.

[url]http://odia.terra.com.br/portal/rio/html/2009/12/economia_de_r_200_na_passagem_54757.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Java Man]Help's staff has appealed to Alerj, the Rio State Worker's Commission to keep Help open til the end of summer.

While the deputies decided the future of the electronic ticket in Parliament, officials of the Club Help in Copacabana, occupied the galleries of Alerj.

With banners in hand, they ask that Help not close Jan 2 as the Governor stated, as it's tourist season. "We need to work til Carnaval," stated Maria Emília Malho, a Rep for the workers.

And today, they're holding a protest at an inauguration for a New Police Station, (the UPP) in Pavão-Pavãozinho.

We, (those that are Pro-Help,) will be deeply indebted to Help's staff, if their efforts are successful.

[url]http://odia.terra.com.br/portal/rio/html/2009/12/economia_de_r_200_na_passagem_54757.html[/url][/QUOTE]"deeply indebted? " Sure. To Help's proprietor's who have transported their employees front and center in their committment to profit. Hope they are just as determined when it comes time to find a new venue. Be there for us, when we need you.

[QUOTE=Java Man]...

With banners in hand, they ask that Help not close Jan 2 as the Governor stated, as it's tourist season. "We need to work til Carnaval," stated Maria Emília Malho, a Rep for the workers. ...[/QUOTE]

Already couple of months ago, Sperto alias Caesar ;) , guess Help due to high business will stay open until carnival, happy you was right :D

Merry Xmas all

I was hoping to maybe locate a map showing the casa numbers of VM. I know many of them come and go but I quite like noting which casa any particular girl is from on any particular occasion, as well as general things about the casa. I've a vague recollection someone might have taken the trouble at some point and have a link - Sperto? - I'm happy to help fill in some numbers if anyone's got an even half completed one. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]I was hoping to maybe locate a map showing the casa numbers of VM. I know many of them come and go but I quite like noting which casa any particular girl is from on any particular occasion, as well as general things about the casa. I've a vague recollection someone might have taken the trouble at some point and have a link - Sperto? - I'm happy to help fill in some numbers if anyone's got an even half completed one. Cheers.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, Chris. I've made a map of the 72 (?) casas without numbers (walking around in VM sketching a map made me feel silly even without noting the casa numbers, which not always holds a specific order).
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=113686[/url]
Numbering the casas at VM I leave up to you. :)
I don't care about the casa numbers as I prefer making a mental note (U-turn alley, right side, first casa after the stairs, big tits...). The girls move around a lot. I've got my good luck-casas where I usually find fresh gems.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Sorry, Chris. I've made a map of the 72 (?) casas without numbers (walking around in VM sketching a map made me feel silly even without noting the casa numbers, which not always holds a specific order).
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=113686[/url]
Numbering the casas at VM I leave up to you. :)
I don't care about the casa numbers as I prefer making a mental note (U-turn alley, right side, first casa after the stairs, big tits...). The girls move around a lot. I've got my good luck-casas where I usually find fresh gems.[/QUOTE]

Cheers - I shall maybe have a go sometime for my own benefit. Or showing a fellow traveller where a decent loo can be found ;) yeah, I usually do the '1st alley, 4th on the right' thing. But if there's a casa that's going great shakes I usually find out the number

I attended l'Uomo's Christmas party on Wednesday. There were a couple of cuties, but it seemed like the heavy hitters had the night off. Fortunately, the girl that always glues herself to me was not there. In general, there didn't seem to be a lot of business being done in the cabins/suites. I couldn't figure out what they did with the space they gained when they cut the relax room in half, either. It seems now when you pick a girl, they bring you out into the former relax room to sit on this big L-shaped white leather sofa while your girl gets ready, rather than letting you just wait in the boite.

The strangest thing happened, though. For the longest time, people were just standing around looking at each other. At one point, Pietra came up and did a show. I know she used to work at l'Uomo, but I recently saw her working at Monte Carlo--I didn't know girls could work at multiple thermas. I hate Pietra's guts (see a previous report), but I have to admit she has a perfect body: 6' tall, thin legs, natural firm C-cup, and a fantastic ass, but not a really pretty face. She did wish me a Merry Christmas, though, so maybe I'll have to forgive her eventually. I tell you, she's all business: she is always dancing or working customers. I didn't think she landed one, but I did run into her outside the cabins. After l'Uomo closed, I saw her at a juice bar, and she (like all the other l'Uomo girls) looked quite ordinary. After a while, though, everyone had pretty much paired up in the boite (myself included). Total damage for many drinks and an hour in the suite was about R$450 ... this place is getting really expensive.

L'Uomo's New Year's party is, oddly enough, on Dec. 30, not on New Year's Eve, as you might expect. I guess Rio gets too crazy at NYE and it's too hard for the girls to get home after work.

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man]I attended l'Uomo's Christmas party on Wednesday. There were a couple of cuties, but it seemed like the heavy hitters had the night off. Fortunately, the girl that always glues herself to me was not there. In general, there didn't seem to be a lot of business being done in the cabins/suites. I couldn't figure out what they did with the space they gained when they cut the relax room in half, either. It seems now when you pick a girl, they bring you out into the former relax room to sit on this big L-shaped white leather sofa while your girl gets ready, rather than letting you just wait in the boite.

The strangest thing happened, though. For the longest time, people were just standing around looking at each other. At one point, Pietra came up and did a show. I know she used to work at l'Uomo, but I recently saw her working at Monte Carlo--I didn't know girls could work at multiple thermas. I hate Pietra's guts (see a previous report), but I have to admit she has a perfect body: 6' tall, thin legs, natural firm C-cup, and a fantastic ass, but not a really pretty face. She did wish me a Merry Christmas, though, so maybe I'll have to forgive her eventually. I tell you, she's all business: she is always dancing or working customers. I didn't think she landed one, but I did run into her outside the cabins. After l'Uomo closed, I saw her at a juice bar, and she (like all the other l'Uomo girls) looked quite ordinary. After a while, though, everyone had pretty much paired up in the boite (myself included). Total damage for many drinks and an hour in the suite was about R$450 ... this place is getting really expensive.

L'Uomo's New Year's party is, oddly enough, on Dec. 30, not on New Year's Eve, as you might expect. I guess Rio gets too crazy at NYE and it's too hard for the girls to get home after work.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you about Luomo, it is pretty expensive. I was there last month before, Nov 1-12, and the worst times I've had were at Luomo, Monte Carlo and Solarum. I have a trip scheduled for late Jan-early Feb, and I planned the trip mainly for the week days when the downtown termas are open. I don't even think about Centurius. And many of the girls do look very average in their street clothes. But that works in their favor to keep their termas occupation low-key. I dated a terma girl, and she preferred to dress down when she is off work. She wore Chuck Taylor sneakers and regular jeans with plain shirts. Even no jewelry.

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man] At one point, Pietra came up and did a show. I know she used to work at l'Uomo, but I recently saw her working at Monte Carlo--I didn't know girls could work at multiple thermas. I hate Pietra's guts (see a previous report), but I have to admit she has a perfect body: 6' tall, thin legs, natural firm C-cup, and a fantastic ass, but not a really pretty face. She did wish me a Merry Christmas, though, so maybe I'll have to forgive her eventually. I tell you, she's all business: she is always dancing or working customers. I didn't think she landed one, but I did run into her outside the cabins. After l'Uomo closed, I saw her at a juice bar, and she (like all the other l'Uomo girls) looked quite ordinary. After a while, though, everyone had pretty much paired up in the boite (myself included). Total damage for many drinks and an hour in the suite was about R$450 ... this place is getting really expensive.[/QUOTE]Pietra left MC and is now back at l'Uomo. She certainly is a trip and I can see how she could be alienating to some. But I really see her for what she is - just a fun-loving, devil may care, sex-loving lady. I actually think she may have ADD at times. She is the sexed-up energizer bunny. A bunny that needs occassional cigarette breaks. But I had some of my best times and most amazing sex with her in Rio. Our tall bodies just mesh well and I found her to be tireless in the sack. I have had some overnights with her where we only slept for 30 or 45 minutes at a time. I agree that her face is not the most beautiful in Brazil but she has a very sexy "O" face.

I like when the termas ladies dress down when outside. It is fun to see them for what they are then - girls out in their hometown. When Pietra and I went out to some bars and to grab some quick eats, she wore some sexy jeans, a loose fall off the shoulder top and some funky hats. She also has this slinky full length sun dress that she just slides into and looks amazing in instantly. I'll be in Rio in a few weeks and will be there for her birthday.

[QUOTE=Sperto]I was going through some old papers and saw that the entrance to Help in 1992 was 9000 cruzeiros, about US$ 5. Anybody has any knowledge what was the price that the Help-ladies asked for back then? Maybe RioBob knows?[/QUOTE]In 1992, there were very few prostitutes working Help. They were there, yes, but it wasn't the cattle-call scene one sees today.

If I recall correctly, the price for a program on Copacabana at that time was around 20 dollars US.

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man]Total damage for many drinks and an hour in the suite was about R$450 ... this place is getting really expensive.[/QUOTE]
Damn. I don't think I'll ever be R$450 worth of horny.

If you are patient, you can raid the Centro massage parlors for 4 girls and have change for lunch and dinner. That is 8 nuts or more in one day for the extremely active monger amongs us, meals included. It is just a matter of what you value, and most of us have our own preferences. I prefer to get ass the way I go to COSTCO or something: Buy in volume, you can't go wrong :D:
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Damn. I don't think I'll ever be R$450 worth of horny.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man]Total damage for many drinks and an hour in the suite was about R$450 ... this place is getting really expensive.[/QUOTE]

Why even bother getting on a plane at that price?

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]I prefer to get ass the way I go to COSTCO or something: Buy in volume, you can't go wrong :D:[/QUOTE]That has got to be one of the all-time great quotes. It leaves me picturing Voyager1 walking out of the Copacabana "Sam's Club" (they must have one, there's a Sam's Club in Curitiba) with a warehouse pack of garotas. LMAO!

I just returned from 3 weeks in Rio. It was my first time and I don't speak Porto so I had my work cut out for me-but this forum offered a ton of resources for me so I thought I could post my experiences with fellow hobbyists.

Stayed at the Arapador in Ipanema. R250 per night. Nice enough place with a nice piece of beach right out in front of it. Beachfront cafe where on my second day I saw the police shoot and kill two guys in a knifefight with headshots from their assault rifles. Welcome to Rio!

Hotel was moderatly girl friendly. Would only allow me and one other person in room-not even for additional charges so keep that in mind when considering it.

Didn't really know what to expect from the Termas. They are hard to explain if you havn't experienced them. But I dropped my bag off on my bed and was changing into a bathrobe at Monte Carlo about an hour after arriving. Went several times and spent about R400 per-big bar tab with redbulls, etc. Not cheap in the 3rd world.

Relatedly, I had a buddy with me who was with one of the girls (didn't really hang on their names-learning as I am going) who was supper hot for him in the boite, but when they went to the cabin, she broke down and started crying uncontrollably about her boyfriend and she can't do it and blah blah blah. My buddy comes out to let the front desk know about what happened. I have to report that they were very responsive to him and actually gave him a pass on paying that night's tab-and a free cover coupon for his next time. Point being, they asked no questions and wanted us to be as comfortable as possible.

Next night we are waiting in line to pay cover in Help and who is standing behind us-the crying game girl from the Terma. She tried to act like she didn't recognize us. Wish I had her name so everyone could stay away.

Eventually met a girl named Claudia at Help who spoke decent English and liked my buddy. She then introduces me to her friend who was really attractive but spoke no English. No English? No problem. Spent next week with the girl laying on the beach and watching her run around in her g-string and hittin it about 4 times a day. Ultimately she never asked for any money but I gave her R500 for the time. She seemed a little put out about it, not that it was too low, but that I was paying her at all.

That is the beauty of Rio, the combination of beauty and raw sexuality is unbelievable-and everyone I was exposed to had a decent/good attitude. I loved it as a first time traveler and am already planning on going back in Feb or March and learning as much Porto as possible.

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So what if One Eyed Man paid 450R at L'uomos its his money and his vacation, me personally I would went to Help and offered the best looking garota there 450R for TLN/24hrs and got my money's worth or had a Terma garota come over for the 24hrs for that price and bust loads till air comes out....LOL.

New Years shows on Copacabana beach:
(Paralamas with Carlinhos Brown and Lulu Santos sounds promising. Let us hope for just as good weather as last year.)
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Palco Principal: (em frente ao Copacabana Palace)
18h: Orquestra Petrobras Sinfônica
20h: Cerimônia do Pôr do Sol
20:05: Paralamas do Sucesso (Convidado Especial: Carlinhos Brown)
22:05: Lulu Santos
* FOGOS *
0:15: Beth Carvalho
2h: Escola de Samba Acadêmicos do Salgueiro
2h30: DJs

Palco satélite: (em frente a Rua Santa Clara)
18h: Cia. Aplauso
19h: Rita Ribeiro
20h: Cerimônia do Pôr do Sol no Palco Principal
20:05: Ed Motta
21:20: Bangalafumenga
22:35: Roberta Sá
* FOGOS *
0:15: Blitz
Escola de Samba Beija-Flor de Nilópolis
DJs

Palco DJ1: (em frente a Rua Miguel Lemos)
DJ Marcelinho da Lua
* FOGOS *
DJs
Escola de Samba Portela e Marcelinho da Lua
DJs

Palco DJ2: (em frente a Avenida Princesa Isabel)
DJ Marcelo Janot
* FOGOS *
DJs
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Thanks Sperto for posting this!Looks mightily fun! I wish I could be in Rio for the Reveillon! But for next year, I sure will!

For those who will be in Rio during Reveillon, please share your experiences there with the rest of us.

Thanks and all the best of wishes to you all gents!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Pana Nyc]So what if One Eyed Man paid 450R at L'uomos its his money and his vacation, me personally I would went to Help and offered the best looking garota there 450R for TLN/24hrs and got my money's worth or had a Terma garota come over for the 24hrs for that price and bust loads till air comes out....LOL.[/QUOTE]
Why do we all have to make issue with what some else does with his money. Let's talk about how we all enjoy spending our money. I think there are R75.00 experiences and R450.00 experiences. The important issues is sharing information. Some people have more money than others, or do not care about spending money. So money is not the issue to compete or criticize. However. I would spend that many reais. My Nov 2009 I made some rookie mistakes, but my Jan 2010 I will be wiser from what you guys share. But let's not be judgmental.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Damn. I don't think I'll ever be R$450 worth of horny.[/QUOTE]So easy to come on here and just throw down against someone. And then have others pile on. Everyone makes their own money and can spend it as they see fit.

You guys did not even seem to read his entire sentence (where he mentioned "many drinks"). Drinks add up, at dinner, at clubs, at termas. And it seems they are only getting more expensive. I enjoy the termas if I drink less or not at all. I have never been a big drinker anyway. And I certainly enjoy it more when paying my bill on the way out. If you use the termas promotions you can save some coin too. To each his own.

And if you start talking about running around other parts of Rio to save money, you need to factor in what is the value of your time. Convenience has its own price. I value my time at a certain amount per hour as that is what I could make if I was using it for business. I am probably a bit different than most here in that regard as I am working when I am here. But I think it is good to think that way. That is why I stay in Centro for part of my visit and then near the beach for Friday and the weekend.

And good luck "pulling" a termas lady or a top lady from Help for a "full 24 hours" for R$450 so you can start "shooting air." Only if you have developed somewhat of a relationship and/or buy them meals and take them out. There is a cost there too. (Not sure I could personally stand to spend that much time with one lady unless she was bright and a good conversationalist too.)

I guess my point is everything has some cost associated with it. And if someone wants to spend their money on something it is his choice. Now that I am here much more often and for longer stays I am learning how to budget my activities and to find values. The biggest change has been the regular dating I have started to do in the town I have a home in.

I have not seen these on Sperto´s list. Only Apto 202 has been mentioned on YellowBlowFish and by Christopherd.

All three of them are small places, comparable to a floor in Buenos Aires 85. I liked Apto 701 best.

- Apto 202
3 BRL entrance.

- Apto 701
I liked this place. Don´t know why. They even have a toilet and a shower you can use.

- Apto 702
Entrance right next to 701. They aggressively try to lure customers away from App 701. Service is good nevertheless.

[QUOTE=Java Man]
...

The Metro-Rio now goes all the way to Ipanema. President Lula came out and inaugurated the new station ...

[/QUOTE]

I rode it the first day. I was amazed that they actually had it running. Conventional wisdom was that the station would open, but the trains would come later. They had some glitches, like the maps not being updated, turnstiles not working that morning (so I Got a free ride!) and the trains were running slow but it was open.

The residents of Ipanema have mixed feelings. It is great for getting around, but it also makes it easy to get TO Ipanema. I think I detected a larger than usual beach crowd this weekend around Texeiro de Melo, maybe because of people riding the metro? People are worried it will change things and not for the better. We'll see.

But it is great for getting downtown.

[QUOTE=Sperto]I was going through some old papers and saw that the entrance to Help in 1992 was 9000 cruzeiros, about US$ 5. Anybody has any knowledge what was the price that the Help-ladies asked for back then? Maybe RioBob knows?[/QUOTE]
I agree it was between 20 and 40 dollars. There was definitely a pro scene but mostly in places like Barbarella and Erótica. On the beach, Mabs was a big hangout and there were several other places as well. But the scale was totally different.

It's been a long tine but I do remember one data point where I met an incredible number in Erótica, home for the night then she went home to get clothes and hung around all that day until I had to catch a flight that night. Total GFE from Fortaleza. Her wildest dream was to get $100 which I didn't quite satisfy. As has
been said, cash was a problem. No ATMS, so you had to bring cash or travellers checks which were not good because they were exchanged at the official rate so you lost 40%. So you needed to bring cash and I always seemed to under estimate because you needed to pay everything in cash. If you put the hotel on a credit card, they would use the official rate and bump it up to their estimate of what the official rate would be when it settles. So you didn't pay with cc. The rates changed so fast I changed money twice a day, usually with the bellboy. (This is a composite of somewhat vague memories from the late 80s to early 90s.)

Anyway, I gave her all my remaining money which brought the whole thing to maybe $50. I'm pretty sure a programa with a Mabs girl in one of the short time places in Lido was $30 which included $10 for the hotel.

Those were the days. Sigh.

[QUOTE=Free Floater]I have not seen these on Sperto´s list. Only Apto 202 has been mentioned on YellowBlowFish and by Christopherd.

All three of them are small places, comparable to a floor in Buenos Aires 85. I liked Apto 701 best.

- Apto 202
3 BRL entrance.

- Apto 701
I liked this place. Don´t know why. They even have a toilet and a shower you can use.

- Apto 702
Entrance right next to 701. They aggressively try to lure customers away from App 701. Service is good nevertheless.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. Can you give ratings for cabin, service, standard and WV ala Sperto? Or at least price?

I have been to Rio several times, but not very experienced with the Centro termas. I think they open ~noon; I have visited ~2pm and found them somewhat quiet and visited after 5pm to find it very crowded / hard to nail good chicas. Any views on what the best time is to visit? Also, I have tried 4x4 and Rosario and found especially 4x4 to have a great, large selection. Any other places worth noting? I'm not looking for budget places.

I know the topic is somewhat on the beaten path, but thought maybe a little bit of nuance that someone can help with.

Thanks much in advance.

Planning to visit mid-Jan and trying to get an idea of how the season is shaping up. Is it a strong season? Many gringos / europeans? Last year was great as the economy was down and if you were there, you could have your pick of chicas.

[QUOTE=Jayf1970]I have been to Rio several times, but not very experienced with the Centro termas. I think they open ~noon; I have visited ~2pm and found them somewhat quiet and visited after 5pm to find it very crowded / hard to nail good chicas. Any views on what the best time is to visit? Also, I have tried 4x4 and Rosario and found especially 4x4 to have a great, large selection. Any other places worth noting? I'm not looking for budget places.

I know the topic is somewhat on the beaten path, but thought maybe a little bit of nuance that someone can help with.

Thanks much in advance.[/QUOTE]Many Centro casas open at 10. 10:30 or 11 seem to be good before the lunch rush and the girls are still fresh.

In my opinion is right after they open. Most of them open by 10:00am so, I usually am at hteir doors no later than 10:30 for some fun. This is where I take advantage and do my duplas and so on for a very decent price (Less than BR200). If you dig throught the forum, try the ones Rio Branco 156. Someone made a really great map with casas you could try. [QUOTE=Jayf1970]I have been to Rio several times, but not very experienced with the Centro termas. I think they open ~noon; I have visited ~2pm and found them somewhat quiet and visited after 5pm to find it very crowded / hard to nail good chicas. Any views on what the best time is to visit? Also, I have tried 4x4 and Rosario and found especially 4x4 to have a great, large selection. Any other places worth noting? I'm not looking for budget places.

I know the topic is somewhat on the beaten path, but thought maybe a little bit of nuance that someone can help with.

Thanks much in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Copa121]Hi All

Am in Rio for the next month , if anyones looking for a drinking buddy or termas partner please pm me , i speak fluent portuguese and can help in any GP translation.

Andy[/QUOTE]Hi Andy

I would like to drink a beer with you. I arrived today and I am new to this city. Sorry I cant sent PM.

Hope to hear from you.

Pat

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]I rode it the first day. I was amazed that they actually had it running. Conventional wisdom was that the station would open, but the trains would come later. They had some glitches, like the maps not being updated, turnstiles not working that morning (so I Got a free ride!) and the trains were running slow but it was open.

The residents of Ipanema have mixed feelings. It is great for getting around, but it also makes it easy to get TO Ipanema. I think I detected a larger than usual beach crowd this weekend around Texeiro de Melo, maybe because of people riding the metro? People are worried it will change things and not for the better. We'll see.

But it is great for getting downtown.[/QUOTE]

That's good stuff right there. Lack of metro availability was my ONLY lament for staying in Ipanema in the past. Looks like where I'll be going residing my next trip.

This is my last post. I really just wanted to thank all the senior members here that supplied such great info that greatly assisted my mongering efforts.

My membership is up and I will not be renewing. I had an incredible week. I have been dating a beautiful young mulata lady in the town where I own a home in Brasil. I was dating others but stopped seeing them as I really enjoyed her company the most. Just a lovely young lady that is studying English, and focused on making a better life for herself. She is terrific.

At any rate, perhaps it is the whole New Year's vibe thing, but the other night I made her dinner and she starts asking about my business trips around Brasil, my trips to Sao Paulo and Rio. I am an honest and forthright person. I had told her upfront that I was really involved in some business projects that will require a great deal of my focus and was not looking for a committed relationship. So I decided to tell her about my mongering activities. I knew this might risk losing her but I really felt like talking about this as it was in the forefront of my mind. I guess I have been reflecting as part of the whole end of year self evaluation we all seem to do. To my great surprise she really was understanding and we even discussed the different attitudes/types of mongers. Truth is I have long been conflicted with some of the attitudes some guys have towards the working ladies. I have made that known here.

At any rate, she actually told me that she wanted to experiment with me. She has been bi-curious and wanted to experience a woman too. My stories of duplas really turned her on. So last night, we hooked up with another lady she knows and it was amazing. It was better than any dupla I ever paid for. She was so caring and excited and a real lady. It was a true mind-f. The last few months have been a blur here in Brasil. I just want to focus all my energies on my business, my Porto studies and experiencing everything in Brasil with her riding shotgun.

Again, I thank all those who were so supportive and provided great info. I tried to give back in my own limited way.

And to all the guys that do not feel that the ladies should be treated as true human beings I truly hope you can do some self-reflection. (What would your mammas think?)

And to those that could not take a joke, how about 5 slaps from 5 different hands (I think that was the threat.)

I wish you all happiness and success in 2010 and beyond.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]This is my last post. I really just wanted to thank all the senior members here that supplied such great info that greatly assisted my mongering efforts.

My membership is up and I will not be renewing. I had an incredible week. I have been dating a beautiful young mulata lady in the town where I own a home in Brasil. I was dating others but stopped seeing them as I really enjoyed her company the most. Just a lovely young lady that is studying English, and focused on making a better life for herself. She is terrific.

At any rate, perhaps it is the whole New Year's vibe thing, but the other night I made her dinner and she starts asking about my business trips around Brasil, my trips to Sao Paulo and Rio. I am an honest and forthright person. I had told her upfront that I was really involved in some business projects that will require a great deal of my focus and was not looking for a committed relationship. So I decided to tell her about my mongering activities. I knew this might risk losing her but I really felt like talking about this as it was in the forefront of my mind. I guess I have been reflecting as part of the whole end of year self evaluation we all seem to do. To my great surprise she really was understanding and we even discussed the different attitudes/types of mongers. Truth is I have long been conflicted with some of the attitudes some guys have towards the working ladies. I have made that known here.

At any rate, she actually told me that she wanted to experiment with me. She has been bi-curious and wanted to experience a woman too. My stories of duplas really turned her on. So last night, we hooked up with another lady she knows and it was amazing. It was better than any dupla I ever paid for. She was so caring and excited and a real lady. It was a true mind-f. The last few months have been a blur here in Brasil. I just want to focus all my energies on my business, my Porto studies and experiencing everything in Brasil with her riding shotgun.

Again, I thank all those who were so supportive and provided great info. I tried to give back in my own limited way.

And to all the guys that do not feel that the ladies should be treated as true human beings I truly hope you can do some self-reflection. (What would your mammas think?)

And to those that could not take a joke, how about 5 slaps from 5 different hands (I think that was the threat.)

I wish you all happiness and success in 2010 and beyond.[/QUOTE]
Good luck, and I hope it all works out for you. Happy New Year! Thanks for your information and opinions, regardless of what I think. We all have our opinions and ours were appreciated.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]

At any rate, she actually told me that she wanted to experiment with me. She has been bi-curious and wanted to experience a woman too. My stories of duplas really turned her on. So last night, we hooked up with another lady she knows and it was amazing. It was better than any dupla I ever paid for. She was so caring and excited and a real lady. .[/QUOTE]


I wish you the best of luck, and a word of caution too. I know a few guys who thought they had hit the lottery by hooking up with bi-sexual women. Their words were "Yeah, it was fantastic at first, 3somes with other hot chicks. Then one day you come home to find some huge, manly looking, bulll-dyke with a 12 inch strap on, pounding the shit out of your lady's asshole!!" They all told me the same thing, at first their girlfriends was only attracted to pretty, feminine lesbians, but after a while, they want to experiment more! Next thing you know, she has a bull dyke who is taking over your position!!

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]I agree it was between 20 and 40 dollars. There was definitely a pro scene but mostly in places like Barbarella and Erótica. On the beach, Mabs was a big hangout and there were several other places as well. But the scale was totally different.

It's been a long tine but I do remember one data point where I met an incredible number in Erótica, home for the night then she went home to get clothes and hung around all that day until I had to catch a flight that night. Total GFE from Fortaleza. Her wildest dream was to get $100 which I didn't quite satisfy. As has
been said, cash was a problem. No ATMS, so you had to bring cash or travellers checks which were not good because they were exchanged at the official rate so you lost 40%. So you needed to bring cash and I always seemed to under estimate because you needed to pay everything in cash. If you put the hotel on a credit card, they would use the official rate and bump it up to their estimate of what the official rate would be when it settles. So you didn't pay with cc. The rates changed so fast I changed money twice a day, usually with the bellboy. (This is a composite of somewhat vague memories from the late 80s to early 90s.)

Anyway, I gave her all my remaining money which brought the whole thing to maybe $50. I'm pretty sure a programa with a Mabs girl in one of the short time places in Lido was $30 which included $10 for the hotel.

Those were the days. Sigh.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Help wasn't such a mongering place back then, mostly a non pro pick up place if you could.

Club Erotika was a place I frequented often, different locatrion then where it is today, it was on Princess Isabella Blvd back then and a pretty big space. They had shows music and plenty of girls hanging around.

Barbarellas was in a different location too as to where it is today. I went there a few times but I preferred the girls on Copa because fo the cheaper prices, Barbarellas was always more money but they were top quality even then.

Attached is a picture of Help circa 1986, looks like it needed a face lift even then, notice the vintage cars.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Yeah, Help wasn't such a mongering place back then, mostly a non pro pick up place if you could.

Club Erotika was a place I frequented often, different locatrion then where it is today, it was on Princess Isabella Blvd back then and a pretty big space. They had shows music and plenty of girls hanging around.

Barbarellas was in a different location too as to where it is today. I went there a few times but I preferred the girls on Copa because fo the cheaper prices, Barbarellas was always more money but they were top quality even then.

Attached is a picture of Help circa 1986, looks like it needed a face lift even then, notice the vintage cars.[/QUOTE]That's news to me about Barbarela. Where was it back then?

Help was a middle-class kids' disco. Something like Nuth. Back in the 1980s and early '90s. It's where today's Lapa set hung out. They even had teen matinés back then.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]In my opinion is right after they open. Most of them open by 10:00am so, I usually am at hteir doors no later than 10:30 for some fun. This is where I take advantage and do my duplas and so on for a very decent price (Less than BR200). If you dig throught the forum, try the ones Rio Branco 156. Someone made a really great map with casas you could try.[/QUOTE]

I have seen that a lot of fresh talent tends to come in ~5pm, but of course, so do a lot of punters, in the centro termas.

[QUOTE=Bravo]I wish you the best of luck, and a word of caution too. I know a few guys who thought they had hit the lottery by hooking up with bi-sexual women. Their words were "Yeah, it was fantastic at first, 3somes with other hot chicks. Then one day you come home to find some huge, manly looking, bulll-dyke with a 12 inch strap on, pounding the shit out of your lady's asshole!!" They all told me the same thing, at first their girlfriends was only attracted to pretty, feminine lesbians, but after a while, they want to experiment more! Next thing you know, she has a bull dyke who is taking over your position!![/QUOTE]
Now that is some funny shit. But good luck to you Hughdad and thanks for your posts.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]This is my last post. [...]
I wish you all happiness and success in 2010 and beyond.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Hughdad. Same wishes for you. I appreciated your contributions.

Walker

I'm fascinated by Vila Mimosa and am torn as to whether to visit or not. I speak portuguese and would not have a problem getting in and out of the place.

However, even if I pick a healthy looking garota, what are my chances of picking up a STI versus say a garota in 4X4 or a Clinica?

Sperto - would appreciate you 2 cents if you are online.

[QUOTE=Paddy21]I'm fascinated by Vila Mimosa and am torn as to whether to visit or not. I speak portuguese and would not have a problem getting in and out of the place.

However, even if I pick a healthy looking garota, what are my chances of picking up a STI versus say a garota in 4X4 or a Clinica?

Sperto - would appreciate you 2 cents if you are online.[/QUOTE]
I would think if your incline in risky sex, don't eat the pussy and drink the water, and wear a condom at VM! A friend of mine's teeth fell out and he got a belly ache and became a baby daddy. Now he goes to VM to visit his name sake! Haha!

Hughdad,
I enjoyed your posts which were quite refreshing as it brought real experiences of what can be achieved with non pros if one were to invest the time. All the best in all your endeavours.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Paddy21]I'm fascinated by Vila Mimosa and am torn as to whether to visit or not. I speak portuguese and would not have a problem getting in and out of the place.

However, even if I pick a healthy looking garota, what are my chances of picking up a STI versus say a garota in 4X4 or a Clinica?

Sperto - would appreciate you 2 cents if you are online.[/QUOTE]
Paddy - I'm sure you realise as much as anyone the incongruities in your post, but it's the sort of question almost anyone might ask. I wonder if I can try to answer sensibly (Sperto has jumped on a plane afaaik).

Firstly, Brasil is a world leader in the use of condoms and the fight against sexually transmitted diseases including HIV. This is attested on many professional forums and conferences and many, many papers ([url="http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/19/1977"]example[/url]). So statistically you are better off than in many countries. Especially better than most developing countries (many of which have a poor condom implementation record, whether by their own stupidity or 'aided' by GW Bush's short-sighted programs, to name a few). It's on a par with the West.

But statistics don't help if you are unlucky. Condoms are very freely available, in VM as everywhere else in Brasil, together with prominent safer sex notices. But the practice still depends to a large extent on the male. Which is the first implied and erroneous assumption - the idea that responsibility can somehow be delegated to a female and, fingers crossed with a wing and prayer, she's clean.

The second implied and seriously erroneous assumption is that paying more money or having sex in more hygienic surroundings reduces the risk of catching a sexually transmitted diseasse. Of course, it doesn't. Or perhaps a class thing - that a girl from a poorer background is more likely to have a sexually transmitted disease - again, untrue. Social parameters affect health generally, but the classifications that apply in many countries (eg USA) do not apply in Brasil. For instance, ". . . studying AIDS cases during the 1980s among adult women from the municipality of Rio de Janeiro found an even higher percentage of the disease among family women than among prostitutes." (Koifman et al quoted [url="http://www.tc.columbia.edu/cice/archives/3.1/31desousa.pdf"]here[/url]). Drug injecting practices are perhaps one of the identifiable factors however.

Hidden support mechanisms also have an effect. There is a very active network of safe sex support in VM (as there is most main areas where prostitution occurs in Rio). Warnings, health care, condom availability and general awareness.

I am not saying you are more likely to pick something up in 4x4, but there are many instances of mongers who have reported some terma girls' willingness to go bareback once they get to know you. I've yet to hear of a VM girl offering sex without protection (and have never been offered it, in hundreds of sessions).

But back to the real responsibility and how he can take it seriously - ie the monger. In VM you will not always have good lighting conditions to examine for track marks or obvious signs of illness. You may be less prepared, less aware, less on your guard. Or maybe not. It depends on you. As for going down on a lady, I use the same rule everywhere - if it smells nice, tastes nice, and I want to, then I may well go for it. A bad smell or taste is offputting - although it is only possibly indicative of a small range of sexually transmitted diseases and may be indicative of none. But good taste and safe sex do not always (or hardly ever) overlap.

One thing I would say about VM is that girls are in a more independent environment. You can pick up a lot of things from their social interactions (with you and each other) that would be airbrushed out of existence in 4x4.

This is not an answer one way or the other about your 'likelihood' of picking up a sexually transmitted disease in VM. Any more than it is an answer about whether you are more likely to get sunburnt on Copa or Ipanema beach.

The advice, as always, is wear sunscreen. ;)

Thanks Christopherd - You have answered my question fully and comprehensively.

I thought this comment was especially well-made:

"The second implied and seriously erroneous assumption is that paying more money or having sex in more hygienic surroundings reduces the risk of catching a sexually transmitted diseasse. Of course, it doesn't. Or perhaps a class thing - that a girl from a poorer background is more likely to have a sexually transmitted disease - again, untrue. Social parameters affect health generally, but the classifications that apply in many countries (eg USA) do not apply in Brasil."

From what you say about VM and from what I know about sexual health promotion in Brazil generally, it would appear that the country is really an exception in this regard. I just wanted to check if the 'social parameters' test as applied elsewhere would be equally true in Brazil.

And for the record I am not remotely interested in bareback or other risky behaviors.

Feliz 2010.

Prices at 4 X 4 went up by BR10. So if you session for one hour, the going rate is now BR 220 :mad:! So far there has not been an Olympic sized rise in prices, but I am not holding my breath. I should be there Tuesday!!! I can't wait ;)... As far as it is being reported, the entrance fee is still BR 40 and they waive the entry fee if you session before 5:00pm. I guess I'm going to have to get up early :D

Hi Guys,

Been here for two weeks and haven't had a problem, due to diligence and following advice from some of the mongers on this forum.

However...

Last night I went with a GDP called Camilla whom I met in Balcony. She is a hard body with fake boobs, big firm booty and an ultra flat stomach. She has what I imagine to be a little plastic surgery on her face as her nose is very sculpted and she also has slight pockmarking on her cheeks from past acne. Straight black hair that is naturally curly (so she told me).

She wanted R300 but I got her down to R200 for two hours. More than I would normally pay but her body was incredibly tight.

The session was very sterile. She wasn't really into it, wouldn't kiss or do uncovered blow job, wanted the money up front and spent ages in the bathroom. I felt a little bit sad that she didn't enjoy it as I've had some really fun GDPs in the past who seem to enjoy their work immensely.

I put it down to experience. BUT this morning I woke up and went to put on my beach shorts to find they've disappeared. I've searched all over my miniscule apartment but to no avail. Granted it was a full moon last night so I may have eaten them or flung them out the window in a fit of lunacy but I have my suspicions she may have taken them. (They are rather nice!) All my valuables were locked away so nothing else is gone.

I wonder if anyone else has experienced Camilla and did anything go missing? I don't want to think bad of her but after searching and searching my flat can only assume she left with them in her bag. I hope I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]...So if you session for one hour, the going rate is now BR 220 :mad:!......I should be there Tuesday!!! I can't wait ;)... [/QUOTE]

I believe you.... 4x4 is always 4x4, but if I remember correctly one hour was 180 BR in september, 40 BR in couple of months is a lot especially if they do not stop to raising in price.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Prices at 4 X 4 went up by BR10. So if you session for one hour, the going rate is now BR 220 :mad:! So far there has not been an Olympic sized rise in prices, but I am not holding my breath. I should be there Tuesday!!! I can't wait ;)... As far as it is being reported, the entrance fee is still BR 40 and they waive the entry fee if you session before 5:00pm. I guess I'm going to have to get up early :D[/QUOTE]
If they raise the price for the Olympics it will hurt them. The Olympics are for people who fly to Rio for the Olympics, and not garota da programma. Most Olympic fans will be on official business or with friends and families, on tight Olympic game ticket schedules. Let alone getting stuck on the metro or street traffic trying to make each event on-time. Us mongers will only know where to go, and only will be there for mongering. So if the termas try and be greedy on their prices, some of us will go else where. I'm sure Barra Tijuca termas will love taking business fron Copa termas. And the downtown termas will not get much business during the Olympics, because the Olympic traffic will be a factor, and most people will get intimidating walking on BA to get to the termas I frequent. Then I keep numbers of termas girls who freelance, as well as girls who keep their visitations to apartments bet R150-200.

As for renting apartments, if Help ever closes, the many Copa girls will now longer afford their apartments. there will be rooming 30 girls, sleeping in shifts, by pooling apartment money. This will cause many available apartments after and before the Olympics at a cheaper rate for mongers.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I believe you.... 4x4 is always 4x4, but if I remember correctly one hour was 180 BR in september, 40 BR in couple of months is a lot especially if they do not stop to raising in price.[/QUOTE]
When they go up on their entrance and session prices. Mongers will leave the drink buying to the bare chested Brazilians who can't afford to session.

Rio merchants, restaurants and taxi drivers keep on gouging and soon you will have no tourists here. On the plane to Rio December 30, based upon the line at immigration about 90% of the passengers were Brazilian. Went to Siqueira Grill tonight and it was about 50% full. Why? Prices up 25% and R$13 Caipirinhas could have had something to do with it. Taxis on New Year’s Eve were asking R$50 to go anywhere. People were just walking away and taking the bus.

One of the reasons I am doing business in Brazil is because Brazilians suck at marketing, management and economics. Interestingly enough there is technology infrastructure in place (which they have no clue how to use).

Keep it up Brazilians and the World Cup and Olympics will be minor blips on an investment for which you will never get a return.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Rio merchants, restaurants and taxi drivers keep on gouging and soon you will have no tourists here. On the plane to Rio December 30, based upon the line at immigration about 90% of the passengers were Brazilian. Went to Siqueira Grill tonight and it was about 50% full. Why? Prices up 25% and R$13 Caipirinhas could have had something to do with it. Taxis on New Year’s Eve were asking R$50 to go anywhere. People were just walking away and taking the bus.

One of the reasons I am doing business in Brazil is because Brazilians suck at marketing, management and economics. Interestingly enough there is technology infrastructure in place (which they have no clue how to use).

Keep it up Brazilians and the World Cup and Olympics will be minor blips on an investment for which you will never get a return.[/QUOTE]
That's some good insight. In my impression, Brazil's economy is mostly speculation. Embratur, the official tourist agency for the government, is barely 2 years old. So they do not have the best marketing and planning professionals. There focus is not Rio de Janeiro, because too many poor cariocas from impoverish regions have over-run the tourist areas. My contacts in Embratur say they are promoting places like more European oriented Florianopolis, Santa Catarina...yuck! Of course the folks in Embratur are European descendant Brazilians, rather than the morenas and others.

Hi guys,

I posted earlier today about Camilla and my disappearing shorts (I loved those shorts. I bought a new pair today but they're elasticated in the waist which makes my love handles bulge and the material on my inner thigh rides up. I want my shorts back.)

Shorts aside, I wanted to say a couple of things. I've been having breakfast in a little cafe next to Wind Sucos on the corner of Prado Junior and Nossa Senhora in Leme. Same thing every day – Acai, coffee (made with little care or expertise) and an omelette. Three rainy days ago this one teenage chick rocked up with a little girl in tow, both on roller blades. She was larking around and I thought she wasn't more than 14 or 15, playing with a new Christmas present. But she kept looking over at me. I avoided her eye but as she left I looked over and she blew me a kiss. Dangerous territory, I thought and left it at that. Two minutes later she was back, on her roller blades with her little friend and handed me her number. Bold as brass! The cafe workers were laughing. She then left and I told them in my halting Portuguese that she was too young for me. They said it didn't matter in Rio. Fuck that, I thought, with visions of being arrested for having sex with a minor.

Then she returned, in make-up and changed out of her shorts into a dress. She stood in front of me to say, 'Well, what do you think?' I explained she was too young but she pulled out her ID card and was indeed 18. I asked the cafe workers if she was dangerous or safe and they all said she was a good girl. I asked if she was a GDP and they replied more or less. All the encouragement I needed.

As I left with her on my arm they said she'd want R50. We spent the next three hours fucking; BBBJ, anal, the lot. At first she didn't want me to see her front on because it turns out that although she's only 18 she has stretch marks from two kids. Two! I didn't mind cos she had a fine, firm sticky out arse that more than compensated for her stretch marks.

We played some music on YouTube (she could barely type and didn't really know how to use a dictionary which made me think how ignorant she must have been. She knew how to fuck, her one skill and was working it hard, but I felt a little bad that this lovely young thing wouldn't have the chance to be more than a mum and a GDP. But not that bad!)

She left me exhausted but happy for such a chance encounter to be so cheap and enjoyable. I almost gave her some more cash, but didn't have any change. Last night I bumped into her in Balcony. She pinched my arse and didn't bother me in the slightest. I'm sure experience will toughen her attitude but I am glad we met. If you speak to a young girl with a curvy firm little body, asiatic eyes, brown shoulder length hair and a filthy laugh ask her if her name's Daiana. If she says yes, treat her well.

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This is my second year in Rio. Such a blast I had last year I thought I'd return. A year on the lure of the girls has dulled a little. I suppose I'm a year older and all new toys lose their novelty, but there's still lots of hotties out there and the urge to indulge takes me every couple of days or so.

I had a great first fuck with a firm, big-but-real-titted girl I met outside Help in the first week which got me off to a good start. She was genuinely pleasant and helped ease me into my holiday.

Last year on my last night I met a girl in Monte Carlo called Fernanda or Nanda for short. I put a post on here about how hot she was. I even emailed her a couple of times but didn't get a reply to the second one and realised it was fanciful at best. I'm under no illusion!

I kind of hoped to see her again, in a woefully pitiful way, just for old times' sake but she wasn't working last Sunday night when I revisited old territory. A year in the wilderness created a stomach full of butterflies on entering the den of lust. The smell of the shower facilities and the idea of almost being on show for the girls to focus their attentions on making me giddy for a moment. I put on my robe and flip flops (the equivalent of a cardigan and slippers, but for a sex fiend!) and stepped into the fray.

As usual the ugly ones made a beeline for me hoping I was a rookie they could turn with a soft caress of his inner thigh, but I remembered the mongering advice and last year's experience and motioned as politely as I could that I was just looking at the moment, muito obrigado.

A couple of big arsed Mulattas took my attention by their sheer physicality. Oh, to climb on board and enjoy the firmly cushioned ride; but I bided my time getting my money's worth of eye candy, until this slim, Euro looking blonde chick, who reminded me of Alicia Silverstone, caught me eye from the bar. She had very small tits, covered by a little bikini and was wearing a thong that showed an arse belonging to a different racial group. The top half was all European but the bottom was all Brazilian! The clincher, beside the lilting smile and gentle ways was the high-heeled shoes with wrap-around-the-calf laces. That did it for me. Just one more question stood in my way: 'Voce faz todo? '

'Sim! ' she laughed.

Off we went for 40 mins of sheer pleasure. What a way to spend a Sunday. I only wish I could remember her name. I'll be back before I go and will let you know in case you wish to book her yourselves.

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[QUOTE=Lukasek]I believe you.... 4x4 is always 4x4, but if I remember correctly one hour was 180 BR in september, 40 BR in couple of months is a lot especially if they do not stop to raising in price.[/QUOTE]

It went up in November. $200R for 40mins and $220R for 1 hour. $40R entrance after 5pm, but $50R if you leave without doing anything. Plus the kicker 4% tax if you use a credit card:-(

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]If they raise the price for the Olympics it will hurt them. The Olympics are for people who fly to Rio for the Olympics, and not garota da programma. Most Olympic fans will be on official business or with friends and families, on tight Olympic game ticket schedules. Let alone getting stuck on the metro or street traffic trying to make each event on-time. Us mongers will only know where to go, and only will be there for mongering. So if the termas try and be greedy on their prices, some of us will go else where. I'm sure Barra Tijuca termas will love taking business fron Copa termas. And the downtown termas will not get much business during the Olympics, because the Olympic traffic will be a factor, and most people will get intimidating walking on BA to get to the termas I frequent. Then I keep numbers of termas girls who freelance, as well as girls who keep their visitations to apartments bet R150-200.

As for renting apartments, if Help ever closes, the many Copa girls will now longer afford their apartments. There will be rooming 30 girls, sleeping in shifts, by pooling apartment money. This will cause many available apartments after and before the Olympics at a cheaper rate for mongers.[/QUOTE]The girls pay for their 'apartments' monthly something like 400 reales. In interior Brazil. Maybe also true in zona norte do Rio. The cost of rent is pegged to the value of 'one monthly salary. ' As for your Olympic predictions. If the Pan Am Games were any kind of indicator, guys who wanted to get laid whilst in Rio got laid.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]
...
Club Erotika was a place I frequented often, different locatrion then where it is today, it was on Princess Isabella Blvd back then and a pretty big space. They had shows music and plenty of girls hanging around.

...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, they had a European style cabaret show with samba dancers and I don't know what all. After midnight, they had a live sex show and I think a second one at 2:00. And there were definitely a lot of free lancers around. As to the location(s) I don't remember and I have not gone back since. I more preferred the beach cafes/bars scene.

Do they still do the live sex show? I have not heard about that in a long time.

This might be some of the best insight I have read on this website in years. Just got back from Rio and I was dissappointed by how prices had gotten out of control. I am afraid that World Cup is going to be out of control. I bought an apartment in Rio a month before they annouced the World Cup. THen I was really excited about the Olympics coming to Brazil. BUT if the Brasilans do not learn soon they will ruin the too largest events in the WORLD!

That being said, the talent in Copa this year was great!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Rio merchants, restaurants and taxi drivers keep on gouging and soon you will have no tourists here. On the plane to Rio December 30, based upon the line at immigration about 90% of the passengers were Brazilian. Went to Siqueira Grill tonight and it was about 50% full. Why? Prices up 25% and R$13 Caipirinhas could have had something to do with it. Taxis on New Year’s Eve were asking R$50 to go anywhere. People were just walking away and taking the bus.

One of the reasons I am doing business in Brazil is because Brazilians suck at marketing, management and economics. Interestingly enough there is technology infrastructure in place (which they have no clue how to use).

Keep it up Brazilians and the World Cup and Olympics will be minor blips on an investment for which you will never get a return.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]That's some good insight. In my impression, Brazil's economy is mostly speculation. Embratur, the official tourist agency for the government, is barely 2 years old. So they do not have the best marketing and planning professionals. There focus is not Rio de Janeiro, because too many poor cariocas from impoverish regions have over-run the tourist areas. My contacts in Embratur say they are promoting places like more European oriented Florianopolis, Santa Catarina...yuck! Of course the folks in Embratur are European descendant Brazilians, rather than the morenas and others.[/QUOTE]

Embratur is not `barely two years old`

Officilly tourism is 20 pct up this year on last year.

I have no idea what racists you have been talking to who claim they want to develop white tourism in the south of brazil. Anyway I am sure it is nonsense especially with the upcoming world cup, mostly in what you call morena cities, and the olympics which will be in Rio.

[QUOTE=Beach Star]Embratur is not `barely two years old`

Officilly tourism is 20 pct up this year on last year.

I have no idea what racists you have been talking to who claim they want to develop white tourism in the south of brazil. Anyway I am sure it is nonsense especially with the upcoming world cup, mostly in what you call morena cities, and the olympics which will be in Rio.[/QUOTE]
According to their information it is around that old. I attend their events. We were told they are not interested in assistance with the events like World Cup, Olympics and carnival, because they will generate their own crowd. But they are focusing on developing Southeast Brazil, because the the area because it would be more attractive due to it's European culture and lack of Rio's urban. And the embratur people who gave the seminar were white and blonde. I don't know if I would apply racism, but classism definitely. Like they always want to tell me to promote Bahia. I have no interest in Bahia, only Rio. Now if Bahia had a branch of 4x4, Monte Carlo, Luomo, etc., then I wouldn't mind Bahia or Salvador!

But maybe some racism for the constant referral to me of Bahia. I don't want to go to where it's not diverse like Rio.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]According to their information it is around that old. I attend their events. We were told they are not interested in assistance with the events like World Cup, Olympics and carnival, because they will generate their own crowd. But they are focusing on developing Southeast Brazil, because the the area because it would be more attractive due to it's European culture and lack of Rio's urban. And the embratur people who gave the seminar were white and blonde. I don't know if I would apply racism, but classism definitely. Like they always want to tell me to promote Bahia. I have no interest in Bahia, only Rio. Now if Bahia had a branch of 4x4, Monte Carlo, Luomo, etc., then I wouldn't mind Bahia or Salvador!

But maybe some racism for the constant referral to me of Bahia. I don't want to go to where it's not diverse like Rio.[/QUOTE]

I have no idea who you are taking about, where and why. Reckon you should check out exactly who you are talking to and the officilal positions. Embratur are a branch of the ministry of toursm and there are no officila politics about where tourists should be directed to go. Embratur has been in its current guise since 2002 but it was a successur of the same type of rganization which had been established for years.

I would like to point out that I'm a complete idiot. My shorts turned up. I hung them above one of those bamboo style roll up blinds and somehow they fell into the rolled up bit and stayed hidden. It all seems a bit surreal to me. I even wonder if there's a supernatural element to it. It just doesn't make sense. Either way, my full apologies to Camilla. I'm going to buy her a big drink tomorrow and hope she forgives me for my online accusation.

[QUOTE=Dazzler72]Hi Guys,

Been here for two weeks and haven't had a problem, due to diligence and following advice from some of the mongers on this forum.

However...

Last night I went with a GDP called Camilla whom I met in Balcony. She is a hard body with fake boobs, big firm booty and an ultra flat stomach. She has what I imagine to be a little plastic surgery on her face as her nose is very sculpted and she also has slight pockmarking on her cheeks from past acne. Straight black hair that is naturally curly (so she told me).

She wanted R300 but I got her down to R200 for two hours. More than I would normally pay but her body was incredibly tight.

The session was very sterile. She wasn't really into it, wouldn't kiss or do uncovered blow job, wanted the money up front and spent ages in the bathroom. I felt a little bit sad that she didn't enjoy it as I've had some really fun GDPs in the past who seem to enjoy their work immensely.

I put it down to experience. BUT this morning I woke up and went to put on my beach shorts to find they've disappeared. I've searched all over my miniscule apartment but to no avail. Granted it was a full moon last night so I may have eaten them or flung them out the window in a fit of lunacy but I have my suspicions she may have taken them. (They are rather nice!) All my valuables were locked away so nothing else is gone.

I wonder if anyone else has experienced Camilla and did anything go missing? I don't want to think bad of her but after searching and searching my flat can only assume she left with them in her bag. I hope I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]

Paloma! Her name was Paloma.

[QUOTE=Dazzler72]This is my second year in Rio. Such a blast I had last year I thought I'd return. A year on the lure of the girls has dulled a little. I suppose I'm a year older and all new toys lose their novelty, but there's still lots of hotties out there and the urge to indulge takes me every couple of days or so.

I had a great first fuck with a firm, big-but-real-titted girl I met outside Help in the first week which got me off to a good start. She was genuinely pleasant and helped ease me into my holiday.

Last year on my last night I met a girl in Monte Carlo called Fernanda or Nanda for short. I put a post on here about how hot she was. I even emailed her a couple of times but didn't get a reply to the second one and realised it was fanciful at best. I'm under no illusion!

I kind of hoped to see her again, in a woefully pitiful way, just for old times' sake but she wasn't working last Sunday night when I revisited old territory. A year in the wilderness created a stomach full of butterflies on entering the den of lust. The smell of the shower facilities and the idea of almost being on show for the girls to focus their attentions on making me giddy for a moment. I put on my robe and flip flops (the equivalent of a cardigan and slippers, but for a sex fiend!) and stepped into the fray.

As usual the ugly ones made a beeline for me hoping I was a rookie they could turn with a soft caress of his inner thigh, but I remembered the mongering advice and last year's experience and motioned as politely as I could that I was just looking at the moment, muito obrigado.

A couple of big arsed Mulattas took my attention by their sheer physicality. Oh, to climb on board and enjoy the firmly cushioned ride; but I bided my time getting my money's worth of eye candy, until this slim, Euro looking blonde chick, who reminded me of Alicia Silverstone, caught me eye from the bar. She had very small tits, covered by a little bikini and was wearing a thong that showed an arse belonging to a different racial group. The top half was all European but the bottom was all Brazilian! The clincher, beside the lilting smile and gentle ways was the high-heeled shoes with wrap-around-the-calf laces. That did it for me. Just one more question stood in my way: 'Voce faz todo? '

'Sim! ' she laughed.

Off we went for 40 mins of sheer pleasure. What a way to spend a Sunday. I only wish I could remember her name. I'll be back before I go and will let you know in case you wish to book her yourselves.

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[QUOTE=Beach Star]I have no idea who you are taking about, where and why. Reckon you should check out exactly who you are talking to and the officilal positions. Embratur are a branch of the ministry of toursm and there are no officila politics about where tourists should be directed to go. Embratur has been in its current guise since 2002 but it was a successur of the same type of rganization which had been established for years.[/QUOTE]
Ok. Thanks for your information.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]I received this today from a girl I've banged since March 2009. This girl is 18 and beautiful. She could R300-R900 a day easily if she's lazy. When I met her in front of Help at TA in March 2009, she was asking for R400. 00 for 2 hours. I got her for R200 for 2 orgasmos. May 2009 I ignored her the whole 10 days. She calls me safado.

Oct-Nov. R200. 00 all night, and she ran errands. I got hurt during last November blackout, and she went to get me some bottled water to bath when the water was out in Rio the next day, and she changed my wound bandages. When I added R50. 00 because she was very helpful. Not bad to have a pretty 18 year girl who sucks and fucks great but speaks no english to be so helpful. American women don't have the ability to even fake it.

But here is her long distant cry for help:

"I'm full of problems my mother is very I'll, I'm doing work in the house my mother I spent money I'm working on a folded out I have to buy clothes and shoes for my family because Christmas is coming the new year to my course I stopped because I'm not having money, are you still willing to come fight it says a lot things for me imargina as my head my life is very complicated, a thousand descupa por had you treated badly most do not know what I do is only one structure my house is me, I can not show them that I'm so descupas Then a thousand is great kiss is be with God.

Know that I love you despite all that.

Natalia! "

This email is probably going to 1, 000 gringos around the world that she sucked and fucked this year. I guess one or more of the other gringos will send her what she asks for. Not me!

I will see her when I see her! Don't Fall for the Christmas GDP Holiday Email![/QUOTE]

Every girl I have given my email in Rio has sooner or later send this kind of email, no Christmas needed. They have been robbed/problems in family/apartmen will be lost and they will have to go to street. What is common in all these emails are the words: "You are the only one I know who can help me"

[QUOTE=Leblon]Every girl I have given my email in Rio has sooner or later send this kind of email, no Christmas needed. They have been robbed/problems in family/apartmen will be lost and they will have to go to street. What is common in all these emails are the words: "You are the only one I know who can help me"[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's almost like a Nigerian viral mail! I do not go to Rio to donate money. I've been to real poor sections of Rio de Janeiro, like Pavuna which is the last stop north on the metro. You go there and walk around, no one begs like Copacabana girls out side of there! I never been to VM, but do the girls there beg like Copa girls?

[QUOTE=Dazzler72]Paloma! Her name was Paloma.[/QUOTE]An ever popular name amongst the girls. Who's the real 'pigeon' here?

[QUOTE=Dazzler72] I've been having breakfast in a little cafe next to Wind Sucos on the corner of Prado Junior and Nossa Senhora in Leme.[/QUOTE]

A good place - I always stop there for acai; however, I always thought that Leme starts when you cross Princesa Isabella. Am I wrong?

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]You go there and walk around, no one begs like Copacabana girls out side of there! I never been to VM, but do the girls there beg like Copa girls?[/QUOTE]
Nope. At VM they only request the R$26 that they are entitled to.

Based on everything I've read tonight, Tonight was Help's Last night.

Rio Governor Cabral has ordered the building be vacated by Sat, Feb 9, 2010.

[url]http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Rio/0,,MUL1435811-5606,00.html[/url]

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2010/01/05/help-tera-que-estar-vazia-no-sabado-915472439.asp[/url]

RC Auctions website has announced that the auction of Help's assets will begin on Wednesday, Feb 6, at 14h. According to the site, all the assets of the establishment will be auctioned off. Interested parties may register on the site or go to Help to participating in the auction.

They even made a video:

[url]http://www.rcleiloes.com.br/php/blog.php?post=96[/url]

[QUOTE=Java Man]Based on everything I've read tonight, Tonight was Help's Last night.

Rio Governor Cabral has ordered the building be vacated by Sat, Feb 9, 2010.

[url]http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Rio/0,,MUL1435811-5606,00.html[/url]

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2010/01/05/help-tera-que-estar-vazia-no-sabado-915472439.asp[/url]

RC Auctions website has announced that the auction of Help's assets will begin on Wednesday, Feb 6, at 14h. According to the site, all the assets of the establishment will be auctioned off. Interested parties may register on the site or go to Help to participating in the auction.

They even made a video:

[url]http://www.rcleiloes.com.br/php/blog.php?post=96[/url][/QUOTE]Any word on a replacement site?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Nope. At VM they only request the R$26 that they are entitled to.[/QUOTE]
I have very occasionally been asked for a tip. But I think it's a disgusting practice and make my view clear. If I like a girl a lot I'll share a beer. If I like her a lot on more than one occasion I'll give her a copy of the photo.

[QUOTE=Java Man]Based on everything I've read tonight, Tonight was Help's Last night.

Rio Governor Cabral has ordered the building be vacated by Sat, Feb 9, 2010.

RC Auctions website has announced that the auction of Help's assets will begin on Wednesday, Feb 6, at 14h. According to the site, all the assets of the establishment will be auctioned off. Interested parties may register on the site or go to Help to participating in the auction. [/QUOTE]
What is the opening bid for a GDP?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]What is the opening bid for a GDP?[/QUOTE]The Help Auction has started. View the lots here:

[url]http://pregao.rcleiloes.com.br/pregao/leilao/174[/url]

Also rumors that Help may be open tonight.

I attended the auction this afternoon. The items sold today are to be paid for tomorrow and must be picked up tomorrow or Friday. They do intend to open HELP tonight. TA remained in operation during the auction and was still open when I left around 5:00 pm.

Post at another site stating that Help's DJ announced tonight, that Help would OPEN tomorrow night.

IF Help is vacated on Saturday, Oglobo is reporting that it's demolition would start Next Monday.

Oglobo also reporting that 90% of Help's assets were sold at auction today. Purchased items are to be picked up tomorrow. I don't see how Help can open tomorrow night, if it's assets are removed. Perhaps a bit of hubris on the part of the DJ.

Or something else is afoot.

[quote=java man]post at another site stating that help's dj announced tonight, that help would open tomorrow night.

if help is vacated on saturday, oglobo is reporting that it's demolition would start next monday.

oglobo also reporting that 90% of help's assets were sold at auction today. purchased items are to be picked up tomorrow. i don't see how help can open tomorrow night, if it's assets are removed. perhaps a bit of hubris on the part of the dj.

or something else is afoot.[/quote]
in 3 weeks i'll be in rio for 10 days, and i can't wait t see how the mongering game will change in copa after helpee closes! change is good!

[QUOTE=Java Man]Post at another site stating that Help's DJ announced tonight, that Help would OPEN tomorrow night.

IF Help is vacated on Saturday, Oglobo is reporting that it's demolition would start Next Monday.

Oglobo also reporting that 90% of Help's assets were sold at auction today. Purchased items are to be picked up tomorrow. I don't see how Help can open tomorrow night, if it's assets are removed. Perhaps a bit of hubris on the part of the DJ.

Or something else is afoot.[/QUOTE]DJ's are such serious folk, they're just not known for making jokes about the party ending.

Stopped by L'uomo yesterday to check out the talent and found a nice variety of girls. Some who had migrated to Monte Carlo have returned as well as some who had gone overseas. Unlike MC, there were no Gwyneth Paltrow Shallow Hal asses (seriously what is up with that) nor did it look like the Tiger Woods harem at Centaurus. Something for everyone.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ9QWe221sU&feature=PlayList&p=E3132834E674EA16&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=11[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ap1jlLfBxw[/url]

Got this email today:

As things go here, sign was on door that Help would close on the 6th, but that
was for the sell of furniture, so it actually closed on the 5th, myself, and a
lot of other guys missed it. Girls are walking the beach already, I think this
will be worst than help, girls are all over the place now, prices have to go
down. I was at Balcony last night, crazy busy.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Got this email today:

As things go here, sign was on door that Help would close on the 6th, but that
was for the sell of furniture, so it actually closed on the 5th, myself, and a
lot of other guys missed it. Girls are walking the beach already, I think this
will be worst than help, girls are all over the place now, prices have to go
down. I was at Balcony last night, crazy busy.[/QUOTE]
I was there on what should have been a busy night, it wasn't it just LOOKED busy. I have never seen so many unattractive girls in one place in my life. There were a lot of gringos (not from the US) sitting around nursing one beer. Everyone knows that the girls rarely buy anything more than a juice. I went inside and there was no on inside only on the front of the outside. If I owned Balcony, I would be very concerned. Contrast that with Deck pizza for example which was filled with Brazilians ordering dinner and drinks.

Anyone who thinks that GDPs and gringos are a good business just doesn't get it. Just because there appears to be a lot of people someplace does not mean they are spending money or the right kind of money. You can only raise prices so much -- R$5 chopp and R$11 caipirinha -- because people will just have one instead of two or three. BTW, my girl's chopp was warm and my caipirinha tasted watered down.

Went by TA and Help today. They were bringing a huge load of ice into TA around 12:30 PM and it was open for business inside and out.

Help - R$40 before Midnight and $50 after. It looked pretty cleaned out but what do you really need for a boy meets girl place? Just enclosed space so you can charge admission, a bar and a sound system. All the rest is just for show.

Hey guys we are closer and closer, but Help is still alive and working ?!

It has seven lifes as a cat or what else ?

Any idea when exactly will be the last night that I try to be there :D

The rumor now is that Help stays open and may continue to do so for quite some time due to a paperwork error on the part of the state's lwayers.

Last night the club was filled to the brim, the music was great and the women were many and pretty.

It is for sure staying open tonight (Thursday). Monday, supposedly, the place is going to be knocked down.

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone who bought anything at the Help auction actually picked it up today, as was part of the contract. As of 4AM this morning, news was that it would be business as usual. Seeing as how the auction sold the bar, the lights, the sound system and the refirgerators, I'd say that if they open, they are giving the big birdie to their auction contract, which is a good indication that they don't feel they'll close anytime soon.

So waiting next week to know something more....

However for one fact for sure I am happy it will be closed, for all the bastards taxi cars that tried to overcharge every single turist with no using taximeter at all. I guess now they will have to work the way the other taxisalways did ....

It is over now:

[url]http://rjtv.globo.com/Jornalismo/RJTV/0,,MUL1437863-9101,00.html[/url]

Here is the video of the auction:

[url]http://rjtv.globo.com/Jornalismo/RJTV/0,,MUL1437863-9101,00.html[/url]

Nope. Help's coming down today.

Turns out ther rumor on Wednesday night was just to try to pack people in for one more night's profit.

The marquee is now down, the tents have been removed from the terraço, people are showing up to take away their auction purchases.

That's a wrap, people!

Goodbye, Help.

Mongers-
I went to Help last night and it was officially the last night that it will ever be open. The DJ made several announcements that it was the last night and I asked about a dozen different employees and they all confirmed it, that last night was the last hurrah. And what a last hurrah it was; Help was packed with probably 2:1 female/male ratio with a higher quality of talent than I have seen in there in a long, long time. There were a few tables of older, very well dressed people who were not there for the mongering game, perhaps they heard it was the last night and went for the farewell party. I also noticed that Help raised their prices for entrance and drinks in an effort to grab as much cash as possible before it's all over. The customers and the girls were partying like it was the last night and when I left at 4:30 the place was still jam packed and looked like it was going to stay that way until they kicked everybody out. A truly proper farewell party for what has to be one of the world's great houses of iniquity.
I pulled a hot little garota who is a former Centaurus employee. Thin, very beautiful about 22 years old, probably the best in Help last night depending upon your taste. Back at the room, she gave a kick ass stay all night full bareback performance.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

Posts at another board report the Terraca Atlantica tent and plants in front of Help have been removed. It looks like an empty lot. Help's front facade is also removed.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hey guys we are closer and closer, but Help is still alive and working ?!

It has seven lifes as a cat or what else ?

Any idea when exactly will be the last night that I try to be there :D[/QUOTE]7 Lives?! They say the same thing in Brazil about cats. They have 9 lives, here in the US of A, must be the better living conditions. :) LOL

Looks like last night was Help's last, Lukasek. When you arrive, the building will be torn down. :(

[QUOTE=Java Man]7 Lives?! They say the same thing in Brazil about cats. They have 9 lives, here in the US of A, must be the better living conditions. :) LOL

Looks like last night was Help's last, Lukasek. When you arrive, the building will be torn down. :([/QUOTE]

Probably it is 9 lives even in Europe and I forgot it ;)

A bit sad to listen this, but however what it is done, it is done, so now the next question will be....well two questions please:

A ) Where will go today, tomorrow and in the first week all the GdP that used to work at Help ? The staff too, they already found a place ? Where will be the next pick up bar-disco in Rio ? Any chance that in disco like Baronette or club 00 we will find some hookers so far as they have no more help to go ?

B ) Where you all mongers right now in holiday in Rio will spend the night ? All at Balcony Bar ? I do not think so, so the options are where ? Even considering normal disco with no hookers at all, just to not stay outside, but inside one place where to drink a beer with friends and watch nice girls.

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Probably it is 9 lives even in Europe and I forgot it ;)

A bit sad to listen this, but however what it is done, it is done, so now the next question will be....well two questions please:

A ) Where will go today, tomorrow and in the first week all the GdP that used to work at Help ? The staff too, they already found a place ? Where will be the next pick up bar-disco in Rio ? Any chance that in disco like Baronette or club 00 we will find some hookers so far as they have no more help to go ?

B ) Where you all mongers right now in holiday in Rio will spend the night ? All at Balcony Bar ? I do not think so, so the options are where ? Even considering normal disco with no hookers at all, just to not stay outside, but inside one place where to drink a beer with friends and watch nice girls.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

Nobody is going to miss Help more than me, I think in the short term everybody will be all over the place looking to settle in on one particular place, maybe they'll find some other club to take over eventually.

I do keep hearing the same rumor over and over from different sources and it has been posted here a couple of times and that is that the club in the basement of the old Meridien hotel is currently being remodeled for a late March opening, lets hope this is true.

What I also heard is that management is currently trying to get a permit now to have some type of outside venue also like TA is today to Help. Apparently this combination of outside/inside makes a lot of money for them.

It is true guys the place is closed I went by today the Terraco outdoor covered area is gone and there are workers tearing apart the inside of both buildings.

I have mixed emotion like most of you I think back to what it used to be with fond memories even though I have not been a fan of it for a few years now.

Last night Balcony Bar was packed though with some good talent.

It is very weird almost erie walking by help/Terraco.

HELP R. I. P.

Well, speaking of Help, I was on the Latineuro website, and saw a good looking garota, and the foto of her was taken somewhere that looks kind of familiar?

In the short bio it says she has been to Europe. Interesting.

I head back to Rio in a couple of weeks and I can't wait to soak in the Brazilian sun (must remember the sun-screen), ride the metro line all the way to Ipanema, and walk past the now defunct facade of HELP. What I great way to kick off a new decade! The old dog is dead and buried and I spy greener pastures on the horizon.

It will interesting to see how the scene changes over the next few months/years.

- DSK

Pity I missed Help's last night.

Last night Balcony was very busy.

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers-
I went to Help last night and it was officially the last night that it will ever be open. The DJ made several announcements that it was the last night and I asked about a dozen different employees and they all confirmed it, that last night was the last hurrah. And what a last hurrah it was; Help was packed with probably 2:1 female/male ratio with a higher quality of talent than I have seen in there in a long, long time. There were a few tables of older, very well dressed people who were not there for the mongering game, perhaps they heard it was the last night and went for the farewell party. I also noticed that Help raised their prices for entrance and drinks in an effort to grab as much cash as possible before it's all over. The customers and the girls were partying like it was the last night and when I left at 4:30 the place was still jam packed and looked like it was going to stay that way until they kicked everybody out. A truly proper farewell party for what has to be one of the world's great houses of iniquity.
I pulled a hot little garota who is a former Centaurus employee. Thin, very beautiful about 22 years old, probably the best in Help last night depending upon your taste. Back at the room, she gave a kick ass stay all night full bareback performance.
Suerte,
Rock Harders[/QUOTE]
It is sad! I spent nice days over the last many years visiting and staying near HELP. Anyone knows whether FLs will still be there outside HELP. Any alternatives to HELP in Rio? It will be interesting to see how this will affect the local economy of that area including apartment prices and etc.

If they get Meridian going, my bet is that they won't get a dispensation from the city to have an outside venue like Terraço Atlântico.

I also bet that the city will stick every barrier it can in their way, but we'll see.

[QUOTE=Dimension]It is sad! I spent nice days over the last many years visiting and staying near HELP. Anyone knows whether FLs will still be there outside HELP. Any alternatives to HELP in Rio? It will be interesting to see how this will affect the local economy of that area including apartment prices and etc.[/QUOTE]
The prices for apartments will be affected. The Help girls put a lot of money in those apartments. Many girls subleased them, with up to 10 girls to studios o one bedrooms. I really feel sorry for the girls who were just trying to help their families out of poverty. I think when LuLa leaves office there will be a strong move to send the poor girls back to the favelas and poorer parts of Rio. Those are Rio's gems of beauty. They wanted to live a life outside of poverty. If I had the means I would try and help Rio's poor outside of my mongering budget. No joking!

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]The prices for apartments will be affected. The Help girls put a lot of money in those apartments. Many girls subleased them, with up to 10 girls to studios o one bedrooms. I really feel sorry for the girls who were just trying to help their families out of poverty. I think when LuLa leaves office there will be a strong move to send the poor girls back to the favelas and poorer parts of Rio. Those are Rio's gems of beauty. They wanted to live a life outside of poverty. If I had the means I would try and help Rio's poor outside of my mongering budget. No joking![/QUOTE]This is worse than gentrification!

Just wanted to add a picture from today outside HELP.

The scene is definately different here now in the immediate area as Mia Pataca is pretty slow but Balcony is very busy now.

Went to Lapa last night that was a f-cking blast what a fun place Friday and Saturday nights music thousands of people partying in the streets untill 6:00 or so in the morning.

To get to Lapa from the Copacabana area take the 433 or 434 bus it takes about 30 minutes with a guy driving a bus but thinks he is in a Indy car.

Tomorow I think I will be in the mood for Loumos.

Will add more later.

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VBlaromJY[/url]

[QUOTE=Dcsplicer][url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VBlaromJY[/url][/QUOTE]Already posted, and discussed more than enough.

[QUOTE=Dcsplicer][url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VBlaromJY[/url][/QUOTE]
This clip is from the 2005 German film "Downfall" ("Der Untergang"). Bruno Ganz plays Adolf Hitler. Just giving credit where it's due.

[QUOTE=John Cricket]If they get Meridian going, my bet is that they won't get a dispensation from the city to have an outside venue like Terraço Atlântico.

I also bet that the city will stick every barrier it can in their way, but we'll see.[/QUOTE]From what I heard they already bought the hotel thru another corporation and they are trying to keep it quiet in order to avoid protests. The outside venue might be a stretch as you say, I can't even think where they could put it. If they do pull it off, people can gather outside in front of Mab's across the street as they do today in TA and then walk across the street and enter the club.

My feeling is that anybody can open a club and they can't stop the GDP's from entering and they can't stop Mongers from entering. If this is all true and they have a Help in the basement of the hotel and they open the hotel, what a hotel this would be.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]From what I heard they already bought the hotel thru another corporation and they are trying to keep it quiet in order to avoid protests. The outside venue might be a stretch as you say, I can't even think where they could put it. If they do pull it off, people can gather outside in front of Mab's across the street as they do today in TA and then walk across the street and enter the club.

My feeling is that anybody can open a club and they can't stop the GDP's from entering and they can't stop Mongers from entering. If this is all true and they have a Help in the basement of the hotel and they open the hotel, what a hotel this would be.[/QUOTE]The problem is that the city can harass your ass until you have to close. This is just like in the States.

I mean, imagine having to deal with fire inspectors every single week, being fined repeatedly for bullshit code violations, having people come into your club and start fights so that the cops who paid them off can come in and shut everything down.

This is what they're going to have to deal with if they don't get at least tacit approval from the city and state.

So sure, you can open a club alright, but can you keep it open if mongers and GdPs fill it and the city decides to take issue?

The Meridian rumor is all over Copacaban, by the way, and I'm sure Their Majesties the Governor and the Mayor are aware of it by now. The question is, are they going to harass the Meridian's new owners?

I used to have a couple local favorite apartments around for fun in the Copacabana area.

Does anyone know if there is still great apartment fun around like 583 apt203 apt204 and clube 53 around siqueira campos?

Any inf is apprieciated.

[QUOTE=John Cricket]The problem is that the city can harass your ass until you have to close. This is just like in the States.

I mean, imagine having to deal with fire inspectors every single week, being fined repeatedly for bullshit code violations, having people come into your club and start fights so that the cops who paid them off can come in and shut everything down.

This is what they're going to have to deal with if they don't get at least tacit approval from the city and state.

So sure, you can open a club alright, but can you keep it open if mongers and GdPs fill it and the city decides to take issue?

The Meridian rumor is all over Copacaban, by the way, and I'm sure Their Majesties the Governor and the Mayor are aware of it by now. The question is, are they going to harass the Meridian's new owners?[/QUOTE]Yeah sure anything can happen, thanks for the cold dose of reality but I can dream if I want.

I realize that if done right if someone builds a place to replace help it will be quite profitable.

But, why from a business perspective, would you do it at a hotel. Forget about regular hotel business. Unless all of your guests are mongers. And if that were true there is no way the city will let that happen. Its too big a property and investment to use for just a nightclub. They can make more money selling the property or renovating and building condos or and making a legit hotel.

I just don't see it. But we will see.

[QUOTE=RagingBeast]It is true guys the place is closed I went by today the Terraco outdoor covered area is gone and there are workers tearing apart the inside of both buildings.

I have mixed emotion like most of you I think back to what it used to be with fond memories even though I have not been a fan of it for a few years now.

Last night Balcony Bar was packed though with some good talent.

It is very weird almost erie walking by help/Terraco.

HELP R. I. P.[/QUOTE]
Personally all that concerns me about the closure of Help is the knock on effect it will have on the really good places in Rio. I never really liked the place.

[QUOTE=John Cricket]The problem is that the city can harass your ass until you have to close. This is just like in the States.

I mean, imagine having to deal with fire inspectors every single week, being fined repeatedly for bullshit code violations, having people come into your club and start fights so that the cops who paid them off can come in and shut everything down.

This is what they're going to have to deal with if they don't get at least tacit approval from the city and state.

So sure, you can open a club alright, but can you keep it open if mongers and GdPs fill it and the city decides to take issue?

The Meridian rumor is all over Copacaban, by the way, and I'm sure Their Majesties the Governor and the Mayor are aware of it by now. The question is, are they going to harass the Meridian's new owners?[/QUOTE]
Macunaima by any other name still smells like shit. Do you not have the decency to take a hint when you are not wanted? You were given your own thread as Macunaima then as Quincas. What does it take to get rid of you?

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]I realize that if done right if someone builds a place to replace help it will be quite profitable.

But, why from a business perspective, would you do it at a hotel. Forget about regular hotel business. Unless all of your guests are mongers. And if that were true there is no way the city will let that happen. Its too big a property and investment to use for just a nightclub. They can make more money selling the property or renovating and building condos or and making a legit hotel.

I just don't see it. But we will see.[/QUOTE]

Well you never know. I've been to Thailand and Dubai and in both places the biggest mongering niteclubs are in the hotels. Seem crazy but it works.

Just got back in last night and wondering if I can add anything useful . . . spent fifteen minutes in customs declaring excess cash but no probs. Haggled the airport cambio up from 2.5 GBP to 2.6 Reis to GBP. Today was better - haggled Marilene at NS Copa 80 (near Isabel) up from 2.85 to 2.9. I do not subscribe to the view that one cambio or the other gives best rates - I have had best rates at different times from the airport, Marilene, the cambios around Copa Palace, and the cambio in the shopping mall by Carioca station. I compare two or three that are nearby - cannot be bothered spending all day scoping them. Taxi from airport (departures floor, midnight Sunday) was still 50R, he asked 55 but 50 is an ok price. In case it is of interest to anyone who likes to travel light (I always arrive here with just a tiny amount of stuff that will easiloy fit in cabin baggage), my routine is to buy the necessaries when I arrive from the farmacia and all night supermarket, then go into Saara market next day for stuff that is a fraction of trhe cost in Copa. eg today, havaianas 8R, a TIM chip/sim 15R (and none of that passport hassle that TIM shops give you), a t-shirt <8R, an extension cable 5R, a large bottle of shampoo for garotas 2.5R, and so on. I arrive with two sets of technical clothing (Rohan for Brits - Aussies and US-ers google). One is an all-weather waterproof: lightweight jacket, trousers, trainers (Brasilians cannot make trainers for toffee) that are lightweight, waterproof, breathable and that you can remove the insoles to store large wads of dosh. Then an ultra-light heatproof set inc anti-mozzie shirt. These clothes are higfh-wick, fast-wash, fast-dry, with multiple zips, hidden pockets, loops for attaching phones and keys and stuff. I make two concessions to local custom. Brasillian shorts (cos anything else looks awful). And a Brasilian microceda shirt - usually football but this time of year a Beija-Flor tech-rehearsal shirt from last year carries more kudos. Wear them straight off the plane. Temperature today is 39 degrees. Nice contrasting pic of snowball fights in Berlin on front page of todays O Globo. Quick bus tip going into town (most buses stop two blocks from Uruguiana) - the 382 drops you by the book stands at the corner by Carioca59 knockshop - as handy as the Metro. Ciao.

Just to answer my own question yes apartment fun in Copa at 583 Av. N. S Copacabana apt. 203 204 are still there and kickin I passed as my favorite morena was not at work.

Went to L'uomo it was fun as usual but looks smaller now than 08 as they now have a relax room.

Went with a hot 19YO name Yasmin very small very hot a great time all the way around total R$271 for 40 minutes in a cabine.

Going to Balcony will update tomorow.

Oglobo's been reporting about Help verses Rio State government, the last 6+ months. Help was supposed to be demolished yesterday, (Monday.) Where's the coverage and video on that? Nothing reported in the competing press either. I need closure. LOL

Mongers, JavaMan, et al-

I just left Rio on Sunday and as I stated in an earlier post, Help's last night open was Thursday January 8th. I drove by on numerous occasions on Friday and Saturday and dismantling of the site had already begun. The tent at TA along with all the tables, chairs, etc were long gone and there were work crews more or less gutting the inside of the building. The end has finally come but it has been a long time coming so its not really a big story locally at this point.
Sorte,
Rock Harders

Help is still standing as of today (Tuesday). No bulldozers yet. No signs of immenent demolition, either. There seem to be crews going over the building and the state has a bunch of rent-a-cops sitting in the doorway.

If you are traveling by bus for the first time to VM you might wonder if you are getting off at the right stop (which is immediately after the flyover, Praca da Bandeira). Went by last night and they have not only renewed and jazzed up one of the bridges, but a section just before Bandeira is now all lit up in funky colours. VM was pretty quiet last night but not unexpectedly so for a Monday and after midnight. Took two girls. At the first one, the mamasan (who I know) pointed huffily to a notice stating the price as 30R (the increase is for the room, not the chica). To be fair, she had started trying to charge that last year when she ran the adjacent casa. Only last year she did have some really outstanding girls which balanced it up a bit. Recognised a cr*p sh*g from last year (very good looking blonde with brain sadly removed) and opted for the other vaguely doable looking one. Awful service. Two casas along and took a slightly overweight woman but the service was excellent. One of the girls I know from before backed me up when the mamasan started prevaricating about my change from 30R, so still only paid 26R. Both girls had the cheek to ask for tips (refused). Given the number of casas and girls at VM I do not think this is in any way necesssarily indicative.

Checked out Nog and Bar Prado but a bit dead apart from familiar faces. Balcony heaving. I wouldn´t say the girls were better than VM but better presented of course, more of them, and more 6 and 7´s plus. Starting prices varied but no-one seemed inclined to go below 200, even when a girl followed me to Nog. Went next door to Dolce Vita a couple of times. Drink prices roughly double of Balcony, but no pressure to buy and no entrance fee. Girls quite happy to be seen walking into the place with the street cred of being with a guy. Went for a dance briefly with someone I knew. Atmosphere at Balcony and Dolce Vita spoilt only by high prices and drunken Westerners (I always get drunken gringos spilling drinks over me in these places - what´s wrong with coca-cola if you cannot hold the alcohol??) Later, knocked back a very forward hustle to dance with an attractive chick. I had only brought 150 mongering money but she danced with me for hours and not once asked for a drink so I thought I´d cut her some leeway. Several pops, stayed over, pics. Ex-Erotika and her service was first class. DFK, GFE, BBBJ, enthusiastic, energetic and very tight. Said many of the boites were struggling for lack of customers.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Macunaima by any other name still smells like shit. Do you not have the decency to take a hint when you are not wanted? You were given your own thread as Macunaima then as Quincas. What does it take to get rid of you?[/QUOTE] LOL LOL LOL

I think you right Exec Talent he never gives up does he LOL

Kid Cisco

I was supposed to be in Rio right now but I got sidetracked here in Lima. Got this email today though from a buddy on the ground in Copa....

Help girls are setting outside Balcony with Champagne, and buckets of beer, have watched this, but by 1:AM they leave together, no one is taking them, the midget left alone also, all that I have talked too are asking 150 all night, so many though, its finally a buyer's market, I don't know what will be happening next week with prices, I have heard, some girls are moving back home already.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I was supposed to be in Rio right now but I got sidetracked here in Lima. Got this email today though from a buddy on the ground in Copa....

Help girls are setting outside Balcony with Champagne, and buckets of beer, have watched this, but by 1:AM they leave together, no one is taking them, the midget left alone also, all that I have talked too are asking 150 all night, so many though, its finally a buyer's market, I don't know what will be happening next week with prices, I have heard, some girls are moving back home already.[/QUOTE]
Yes!!!!!!! A buyers market. I'll be there in 2 weeks! And I'm gonna fuck'em all! R150 all night and shoes shined while getting BBBJ!

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]Yes! A buyers market. I'll be there in 2 weeks! And I'm gonna fuck'em all! R150 all night and shoes shined while getting BBBJ![/QUOTE]They might paint your room too.

Do we have any news from Centaurus or Monte Carlo, prices and girls?

.....back home :)

For the better portuguese speakers... I got from solarium that on 26 january it is :

"As mais quentes gatas do Rio, vao fazer, voche suar "

What does it means ?

" the hottest cat-girl of Rio, i will do, you... ?? "

Obrigado....

Cannot wait to this evening to see how looks like Balcony crowded with help girls at discount price :)

And btw if somebody wants to meet, PM me.

Cheers

P.S. Btw too fucking hot here, I left europe yesterday with snow and here it seems hot as hell....

I'm due to come into Rio Saturday. I have an apartment reserved till wensday. I was wondering if you guys know any decent priced (girl friendly) hotel or apartment located near copa. I was thinking that I will probably end up staying for a few more days. If I can't extend my apartment stay, I want a back up plan.

Thanks in advance

A club with surely some nice talents, so I checked right now gpguia, most of brazileros spent this:

Fazendo as contas:

R$ 30,00 de entrada (+ dois drinks)
R$ 30,00 pra sair com a perva (+ dois drinks)
R$ 200,00 do programa
R$ 50,00 do motel.

Despite motel for us monger who stay in apt, 260 reais it seems to me quite reasonable price....( OWO,DFK,DATY,Anal) I guess if it will be the same for a gringo as us.....need to check it :D

P.S.especially most of escorts charge at least 250reais and you cannot see them live and talk to them as in Cicciolina.

P.P.S. my feeling is from Help many will move to work in Prado Junior clubs....I will report ;)

[QUOTE=Slimtower]I was wondering if you guys know any decent priced (girl friendly) hotel or apartment located near copa....[/QUOTE]

That's for you, not only me I stayed there many times,but also it is often reported in gpguia as hotel where to bang girl, for me very good, also it has breakfast buffet until noon, so you can have big breakfast-lunch there, not luxus, but good enough for me.

[url]www.praialidohotel.com.br[/url]

Was going to give Renata a quickie but talent in BA85 was quite good and I ended up shafting someone else. [color=grey]A few in the area that now seemed defunct (for listcheckers): BA93 ([i]was[/i] oriente vip sala 513) - no joy. Vargas 633 (ap1618) no reply.[/color] Conceicao 116a now has a minimum drinks charge of 6R (looked ok but nothing I fancied). Acre 120 bored and laidback as usual - ok girls but they always look so unenthusiastic. They come out of the dimly lit room - about 6 of them - and stand there for me like it´s an imposition. Lazer 3 round the corner in Leandro Martrins is as awful as always. Two girls dragged me in and got huffy when I turned them down. The place is a sh*thole and they try ever more desperate measures instead of just making it a bit nicer. Almost next door at Lazer 5 is a place I usually quite like though - meaty handshakes from the entrance guy, nice place for a beer, and a good jukebox. Girls tend not to wear make-up, which was ok when they were fit, but today´s bunch looked unappealing. Afrodite was shut when I passed (2pm), with a p*ssed off gata on the phone outside trying to get in. [i](all these places are in the approx 1R per minute band - if you haven´t printed the map off the forum and don´t want to buy a Ruas (the RJ A-Z), get the free Riotur tourist map which now has a decent Centro road plan.)[/i]

Nice new place is Uruguiana 210 almost opposite Afrodite (look for the balloons over the doroway just now). This is just the far side of Pres.Vargas from Uruguiana station. Unsettlingly clean for the area. Charming young girl took me by the hand and gave me a tour. I chose the aircon suite (slightly pricier - 45R for half hour) and had quite a nice time. Large room decorated with beanbags, guitar cutouts on the wall and imaginative decor. Very unrushed. Heading down to Carioca59 cos I like to eat at Bar Luiz (good German specialties in immaculately run place). The internet shop on the way in Saara (on Conceicao just off Luis de Camoes) has a fast connection (Chinese run). Oh yes - the knock-off copy of the new Samba-enredos (songs) is in Uruguiana market already for 10R if you can´t wait. ;)

[QUOTE=Lukasek].....back home :)

For the better portuguese speakers... I got from solarium that on 26 january it is :

"As mais quentes gatas do Rio, vao fazer, voche suar"[/QUOTE]The hottest chicks in Rio, they gonna make you sweat.

For our slang challenged European friends:
Gatas is Brazilian slang for chicks. Chick is American slang for a young hot gal. Gal is another term for a woman. :) LOL

[QUOTE=Lukasek]That's for you, not only me I stayed there many times,but also it is often reported in gpguia as hotel where to bang girl, for me very good, also it has breakfast buffet until noon, so you can have big breakfast-lunch there, not luxus, but good enough for me.

[url]www.praialidohotel.com.br[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks a bunch

[QUOTE=Java Man]The hottest chicks in Rio, they gonna make you sweat.

For our slang challenged European friends:
Gatas is Brazilian slang for chicks. Chick is American slang for a young hot gal. Gal is another term for a woman. :) LOL[/QUOTE]

I so wish we could just call spades spades and wh0res wh0res . . .

Just in case anyone´s struggling to find it, Cicciolina is near Prado Junior but not in it. It´s on the corner of Princesa Isabel (the main street that separates Copa and Leme) and Viv.Mineiros de Castro. As the boites go, I agree it´s probably one of the better ones. I used to see a girl who worked there regularly (but booked her outside which was cheaper). Prado Junior is the next street along, parallel to Isabel.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]A club with surely some nice talents, so I checked right now gpguia, most of brazileros spent this:

Fazendo as contas:

R$ 30,00 de entrada (+ dois drinks)
R$ 30,00 pra sair com a perva (+ dois drinks)
R$ 200,00 do programa
R$ 50,00 do motel.

Despite motel for us monger who stay in apt, 260 reais it seems to me quite reasonable price....( OWO,DFK,DATY,Anal) I guess if it will be the same for a gringo as us.....need to check it :D
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Just in case anyone´s struggling to find it, Cicciolina is near Prado Junior but not in it. I used to see a girl who worked there regularly (but booked her outside which was cheaper). .[/QUOTE]

What time can the girls leave Cicciolina? How about Franks? I am not to keen on paying the exit fee for the girls, especialy, if she is got going to spend the entire night!!

[QUOTE=Christopherd]I so wish we could just call spades spades and wh0res wh0res . . .[/QUOTE]
Why can't we go for one month without someone starting this crap? It is like bad sushi or Macunaima, something you just don't want to see again.

Back now, good two girls recognized me, one from last year in march, very nice talking with them, no sex cause I arrived this morning after 22 hours of travelling, tired but also, was pretty slow at 4x4, first time I saw it ! At 21h you could walk easily everywhere, first sign of crisi ? Cause usually on monday it is full crowded.

However entrance,1 beer, 1 coca cola, red bull vodka, 98 reais !!! 38 euro, too much for kill the time.

Yep cicciolina is on princessa isabel.

At solarium, not hard to make us swear with so hot weather LOL

Cicciolina and prado junior clubs have girls that leaves about 4am, but honestly I will not save 30 reais to wait her, that maybe she never show up and from all the girls I got from there, about 10, only one stayed untill noon, usually they go home about 5 or 6am with the same old excuses....

Mongers-

Frank's American Bar, located on Avenida Princesa Isabela, has been out of business since at least early November 2009. I was in Rio in mid-October and stopped into Frank's, it was dead inside, but at least open. Upon my return to Rio the first week of November the place was out of business, and was still out of business when I was in Rio last week. There was an early 20's smoking hot stunner named Simone working in there, from Mato Grosso with an absolutely stunning body and a large tattoo around her waist (which I normally despise, but this girl was the exception). I saw her in there two or three times over the past six months but never got to fuck her and maybe now never will. I used to like Frank's because the drink prices were reasonable and I would bring my first-time visiting buddies to the live sex show they had. Another one bites the dust.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

As reported, Balcony now is so packed you have to come here to see with your eyes to believe it !!!

I guess you have to come at 18h to find a chair free, it is very chaotic, too much people walking and stand up qround balcony and most of them....look and watch each other, yes they spoke and too, but the feeling is that now they are as waiting for something-somebody where in Help they were there to have fun.

Another difference is the price, it really seems 150 reais is a standard, but.... where on Help was quite easy to get overnight, I have now the feeling it is just suck and fuck, as many girls went away with gringo and after short time came back alone again. They try to get the same money as before getting 2 or 3 men in the same night, so I guess the service is not that good then....

Let's say you have almost the same girls of help at balcony,but obviously nobody dance and it was nice to see girls dance at help, you cannot sit down as in TA or as outside help upstairs, so personally I got tired very soon.

I also see from faces of girls, they look like almost angry, it is obvious they work way much less than in help, for example in help many got easily drunk from drinks paid by gringos, but at balcony most of girls stand up, walk and no drink at all. So think same girls but with no alcol, not much fun.

At help there was also music, good or bad, but contributed to make the place feel alive, at balcony now you are right in front of the street.

I went to cicciolina, 30 reais entrance for 2 drinks, nothing good, but.....you see many girls get inside, often the same of balcony, stay there for 5-10 minutes and leave. the feeling now is really the same as at balcony, 2-3 questions, then take her or she leaves, almost no conversation, not chance to spot if she is cold fish or not.

Barbarella: very hight ration women man, but only sort of 20-30% left with gringo. 60 reais entrance and.....listen, girls ask 5-600 reais, yep the same price as before, but when i asked for how much time, one told me that she does not look to the time, so i asked, it means what ? Oh, if we have nice time even 1,5 hour or 2.....cause normal 5-600 hour is for one hour ? LOOOOL

Also some girl of balcony walk on avenida atlantica, stops, try to work as streetwalker, stop cars and so on, then the move or back again to balcony.

What is very funny for me is, that with help you had TA and Help with hookers, but from the streets look normal place.

Now you have huge crowd around balcony and tons of streetwalkers all around the streets there, so for a normal carioca person it looks much worst now, as prostitute and mongers are not closed inside one place, but everywhere, the feeling now prado junior + balcony turned into a red light district, so my qyestion is.....they wanted to clean up help, now even from monger point of view it looks worst, and less practical too, what the next step ?

Close balcony and the streets around it ? LOL

[QUOTE=Bravo]What time can the girls leave Cicciolina? How about Franks? I am not to keen on paying the exit fee for the girls, especialy, if she is got going to spend the entire night!![/QUOTE]

Isn´t it about 4am? I usually sit in Nog and watch them leave. But although I´ve sessioned with one or two girls from Ciccy´s, I´ve always pulled them on their nights off when they´re drinking and socialising elsewhere. When they were dressed up for a night at Ciccy´s they didn´t want to walk out and be seen going home with me at my prices!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Why can't we go for one month without someone starting this crap? It is like bad sushi or Macunaima, something you just don't want to see again.[/QUOTE]

Sheet you´re feeling a bit touchy today aren´t you ET? Bad chica last night? ;) And seeing he´s getting a repeated toasting from you, I might add I thought Macunaima offered a lot of genuine local info in the early days. Chill out man. Or is there anybody else you want to have a go at? :rolleyes: ;)

And at least Luka and myself are posting reports - feel free to join in. You might even enjoy yourself and let us benefit from your expert knowledge without that big chip on your shoulder! :)

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Let's say you have almost the same girls of help at balcony,but obviously nobody dance and it was nice to see girls dance at help, you cannot sit down as in TA or as outside help upstairs.[/QUOTE]

What did you think of Dolce Vita next door Luca? I wonder if they charge entrance at the weekend.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Another difference is the price, it really seems 150 reais is a standard, but.... where on Help was quite easy to get overnight, I have now the feeling it is just suck and fuck, as many girls went away with gringo and after short time came back alone again. They try to get the same money as before getting 2 or 3 men in the same night, so I guess the service is not that good then....[/QUOTE]

I suppose it was a hassle for them to pay the entrance fee again at Help. ;) But I think it was always the scene at Balcony that some girls would try to do a short time and go back to look for more business. To me, the highlight of Copa is getting a good overnight. They seem more likely to do this late on IMHO. The girl I got on Tuesday spent a lot of time with me before we went back and I was quite clear that it was for long time and sleep over. I´ll try to ask some longterm chica friends what they think the general scene is, though I´m sure it varies a lot according to the girl - they´re all freelance after all!

This is the part of town where I stay when I´m in Copa and I love every dirty muckhole of it. Just coming back from shopping though and for anyone else this end of town, if you are fed up with grubby Copa supermarkets and overpriced food, do try the Leme supermarket, 100yds past Isabel. Western-style hygeine and an attractive in-store lunch (pizza, pasta etc) for around 10R or less.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Sheet you´re feeling a bit touchy today aren´t you ET? Bad chica last night? ;) And seeing he´s getting a repeated toasting from you, I might add I thought Macunaima offered a lot of genuine local info in the early days. Chill out man. Or is there anybody else you want to have a go at? :rolleyes: ;)

And at least Luka and myself are posting reports - feel free to join in. You might even enjoy yourself and let us benefit from your expert knowledge without that big chip on your shoulder! :)[/QUOTE]
There is a lot of misinformation not information. The fact that you think Macunaima ever had or has anything to offer says a lot. As for my love life, you could only wish.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]There is a lot of misinformation not information. The fact that you think Macunaima ever had or has anything to offer says a lot. As for my love life, you could only wish.[/QUOTE]

Whatever ET. You are going to tell us about what . . . (scans back) oh yes, the ice at TA. You have plenty to offer. It was a good point you made about indies vs agencies (applies to a lot of countries too.) Quit venting your spleen man. Put in an occasional field report.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Now you have huge crowd around balcony and tons of streetwalkers all around the streets there, so for a normal carioca person it looks much worst now, as prostitute and mongers are not closed inside one place, but everywhere, the feeling now prado junior + balcony turned into a red light district, so my qyestion is.....they wanted to clean up help, now even from monger point of view it looks worst, and less practical too, what the next step ?

Close balcony and the streets around it ? LOL[/QUOTE]You answered your own question

[QUOTE=Christopherd]What did you think of Dolce Vita next door Luca? I wonder if they charge entrance at the weekend.[/QUOTE]

Oi Chris, I went there inside in september when already changed into boite,it was normal disco, right ?However very dark there upstairs and nothing nice.
Yesterday at balcony i saw many girls go inside and then come out and join balcony again. It should be something as little charge with some drinks,but not much reason to go there as you wait a while and you have the same girls come out and you can talk to them with no entrance fee :D

[QUOTE=Christopherd]...100yds past Isabel. Western-style hygeine and an attractive in-store lunch (pizza, pasta etc) for around 10R or less.[/QUOTE]

Never been there, you made me curious, I am going to check it ;)

[QUOTE=Lukasek]As reported, Balcony now is so packed you have to come here to see with your eyes to believe it !!!

Now you have huge crowd around balcony and tons of streetwalkers all around the streets there, so for a normal carioca person it looks much worst now, as prostitute and mongers are not closed inside one place, but everywhere, the feeling now prado junior + balcony turned into a red light district, so my qyestion is.....they wanted to clean up help, now even from monger point of view it looks worst, and less practical too, what the next step ?

Close balcony and the streets around it ? LOL[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the great description of the current scene. Looks like Prado Junior is becoming alive again just like in the 80's.

Dolce Vita? Is this that club that is upstairs right next to Balcony? It used to be Holiday club? Interesting what goes around comes around.

I'll be in Rio in a few weeks to check the scene out for myself but thanks for the heads up.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Thanks for the great description of the current scene. Looks like Prado Junior is becoming alive again just like in the 80's...[/QUOTE]

Your welcome ;), I am happy to contribute if I can, it is nice when you are at home to have an update of the news here, at least for me.

I am just a 3 timer to Rio, so I have no idea how it used to be, but I liked from the first time this red-light district, I have no idea how to call it.

Right about Dolce vita and I think that despite Barbarella, where yesterday the girl told me she has to paid 60 reais to get into, all the other boites have no entrance for the girls, cause otherwise I cannot explain why girls go inside and outside in such a sort time.

Strange that the owner of Dolce Vita does not realize that if one stand in front of it and see how it works, he will never go to pay to get into,as it is enough to wait to see even a nice girl get soon out.

Oh I forgot even Senso has girls stuck there for all the time, entrance 50 reais and show inside. ( yesterday for all the time a group danced samba in Barbarella ).

Btw Christopherd I went after princessa isabel, so the beginning of leme, but where is exactly the part with nice shop and market ? Please give me couple of streets to get easier and faster there.

However not far from pincessa isabel, avenida atlantica 880 there is Spaghetteria, great supermarket with the best quality food and higher level of hygiene I saw here. They also make pizza and if my nose does not lie me, it should taste very good.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]

I guess you have to come at 18h to find a chair free, it is very chaotic, too much people walking and stand up qround balcony and most of them....look and watch each other, yes they spoke and too, but the feeling is that now they are as waiting for something-somebody where in Help they were there to have fun.
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Excellant description, best I have read to explain the scene. Instead of being there to have a good time, they are there to see and be seen. Completely different vibe than help!! THX Lukasek!!

[QUOTE=Loulakis Jim]Do we have any news from Centaurus or Monte Carlo, prices and girls?[/QUOTE]

A couple of months ago Centaurus went up to 450 and they asked for it up front after waving in some loud mouthed gringos. All of these things offended me since I have known this place for many years. I left and won't go there as long as there is such a price difference. I don't expect them to come down.

MC also has gone up. It is now 70 + 70 + 170 which is R310! As far as the talent, I would say mixed. Definitely some stunners but a lot of huge bundas. And I mean HUGE.. To each his own. that's just not my thing. If one can't find something they like there, I an sorry for them.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Btw Christopherd I went after princessa isabel, so the beginning of leme, but where is exactly the part with nice shop and market ? Please give me couple of streets to get easier and faster there.

However not far from pincessa isabel, avenida atlantica 880 there is Spaghetteria, great supermarket with the best quality food and higher level of hygiene I saw here. They also make pizza and if my nose does not lie me, it should taste very good.[/QUOTE]

Hiya Lukasek - sounds like you found the hygeinic supermarket that sells quite nice pizza. There´s one entrance on Atlantica and another on Gustavo Sampaio. I like shopping there for treats for my fridge! Lots of nice sit-down restaurants in both streets round there, but the supermarket restaurant is nice and quick and inexpensive and the food always looks tasty.

Regarding a market - I was mentioning Saara market in a previous post - maybe the two got mixed up a bit? Saara market is in Centro, not Copa or Leme. It is quite a fun place, but a place to get the cheapest of everything mostly, rather than quality. Someone else was asking about it and I´m wondering the best way to describe where it is. You get off at Uruguiana station and head in the opposite direction to 4x4 and BA85 (west, if you are looking on a map). So behind the station, parallel to Pres.Vargas. It can be a fun place to meander cos everything is there and very cheap, and also lots of cheap (1R) termas nearby. The main east-west streets are Buenos Aires and Alfandega (further west, opposite direction to Rio Branco). Then you can take a left down Goncalves Ledo, Conceicao, or Ave. Passos towards Tiradentes Square (which has some very grubby sex places but also Carioca59 and the marginally cleaner Casarao) or you can walk a bit further to Lapa on the south of Centro or take the tram up the hills for a nice afternoon out.

The nicer way to VM

I´ve kind of advocated this route for a few years, but it struck me today that, with increased Metro traffic from Ipanema, it might be even more attractive. So here´s some directions for those interested.

A big advantage is you don´t have to change Metro lines. This is especially nice if you go in rush hour (the time I personally use the Metro to get to VM). You just play sardines on a carriage, squashed between everyone else, and don´t have to move till you get off at Afonso Pena.

The next big advantage is that Afonso Pena to Praca da Bandeira is a very nice walk. I don´t think anyone would say Cristovao to Bandeira is nice - just straightforward. But Afonso Pena is easy when you have done it once and takes roughly the same time. Plus there are many nice upmarket bars and restaurants on the route.

[b]Here´s how -[/b]

Stay on the train all the way from Copa or Ipanema till it gets to Afonso Pena. It´s the third stop after Central. Or the fifth one after Uruguiana. When you get off, turn right and take the PRACA exit. You come out onto the square. Cross to the (diagonally) opposite corner of the square and keep going along the main road (Campos Sales). You´ll see a big building on your right marked America FC, so you know you have come off the correct corner of the square.

At the end of Campos Sales you´ll see [i]Trigus Restaurant[/i] facing you at the T-junction. Turn right - it is signposted Maracana/Cristovao/Centro. Follow this street (Mariz e Barros) till it comes out onto Praca da Bandeira.

[i](Once you know the area, you can take a slight short cut along Goncalves Crespo, but I thought I´d give the simple route first.)[/i]

[b]Pr.Bandeira[/b]

If you have been to VM already, you are probably familiar with this bit. I´ll include it here partly for newbies and partly cos the appearance has changed quite a lot recently.

Praca da Bandeira is a big concourse to the west of Presidente Vargas. Mimosa is directly north of it by a hundred yards or so. If you are looking on a map, find Vargas, the big east-west street that crosses Rio Branco in Centro, and run your finger to the left. Just past the end of Vargas (and just after a spaghetti junction) is Praca da Bandeira. And also an inverted triangle above the main thoroughfare. This is where Mimosa lies.

If you arrive by road or from Cristovao station, you are probably already on the north side of Bandeira. If not (for instance, if you came via Afonsa Pena), just cross by the footbridge which spans the many lanes of fast traffic. This footbridge used to be blue but is now just white. As you cross, if it is dark, glance to your right and you may see a huge bridge floodlit in impressive colours not far off. The area is not dangerous as such, just keep yourself to yourself. There are many working class families about.

On the north (Mimosa) side of Praca da Bandeira, there is now an enormous long white railway bridge that looks like some superhighway from the Restaurant at the end of the Universe. This makes the area [i]almost[/i] unrecognisable from the mess it was before. Go under the new bridge and over a foul-smelling river, and under the other adjacent steel bridges. Follow the street (Rua Ceara) past the bikers and just past the bend in the road. Turn right onto Sotero dos Reis. If you cross the railway level crossing you have gone too far. VM is the little village of bars half way along.

For the sake of completeness after my last post (and those who like vicarious descriptions) here´s some VM details. I usually go late - around 11pm. There´s many buses. But during rush hour, the bus takes too long. So today (some time after 5pm) I get the Metro. And walking through the nice middle-class area of Afonso Pena (east Tijuca) to Mimosa almost makes me feel too posh to get down and dirty in the muck-stained sheets. So I try to check out Caligula Whisky Club, a mid-price terma, just before Bandeira (there´s also a terma just as you get to Mimosa, but I´m not keen on it). Caligula Whisky Club is shut however (6pm-ish, Thur - for anyone who feels like checking it out). It´s on Pereira de Almeida. Take Rua Matoso from the south side of Praca Bandeira then, at the next junction, take the left fork straight ahead which is Pereira de Almeida. The Whisky Club is No.73 and on the right hand side. I´d expect to pay about 100R but can´t recall a field report recently so maybe someone will visit and let us know the up to date info.

I got to Mimosa just before dark. Unlike earlier in the week, it´s already in party mode, though a lot of the best girls won´t be out till much later. I have a few drinks and gently knock back a couple of girls I´ve seen before. One looks much better in daylight and the other a bit more of a schemer - strange what the light does!

I´m looking at the clouds and thinking VM is not a good place to be when it rains. But it seems a waste not to do something. I pick a 20yr old girl called Camilla from the right hand of the U-Bend, second casa.* She´s very petite, dances a nice butt-dance and does the cutesey come-on to me every time I go past. Decent performance in the room if not outstanding. She doesn´t rush. Her clit swells to the size of an uncracked walnut but I don´t sense she´s going to come. Her breasts are a little loose for her age and I guess she´s not nulliparous though I don´t ask. Her party piece is doggy, when she shakes her butt the way she did when dancing - rather nice. I crack off a couple of photos and show her. She has a very slight whitish discharge and I reassure her this is normal (which it usually is, especially when there´s no smell, which there isn´t). She´s worked in VM for 3 months she says. Affectionate leave taking and I take another glance at the sky and dark looking clouds. The alleys of Mimosa soon get waterlogged and many of the roofs leak. And I think it tends to smell worse in the wet.

I get back to Bandeira but have a sudden urge for fried chicken. Of all the restaurant bars here, I´ve only ever been to one that´s tried to take the p*ss. (For the record, I never try to ´pass myself off as Brasilian,´ just a sincere gringo who is patriotic and respectful of the country he is visiting.) Mostly they are good working class joints and give a very warm welcome - as is the case tonight. Half a chicken and manioc for 6R and a nice crowd. Say g´bye and jump on a Copa bus.

Since you have to know exactly when to get off, there is good excuse for not getting a bus to Mimosa until you know the stop. But it is sheer decadence IMHO to get anything but the bus back. The bus comes from the left as you stand on the south side of Praca da Bandeira (at the taxi rank) and is clearly marked Copacabana, so you just have to hail it. If you are going back in the early hours (say 3am), or Sunday, they are less frequent. But choose a taxi with care - many of these cars are falling to bits. If you can specify which way you want to go home, so much the better (eg Lagoa is a stupidly long way round if you are at the Isabel end of Copa).

[i]You might think I´ve typed this report out of the goodness of my heart, but the rain has come down and gone again while I´m in the internet cafe lol ;)[/i]

Finally, for those who have not yet tried VM - it´s a love it or hate it. Just in terms of bang for your buck, maybe BA85 is better value in many ways just now. Just different.

Enjoy. :)


[i](Added the folowing Friday) :this week, probably the best looking (physically) girl out of, VM, Balcony, Dolce Vita, BA85 and Centro, and Ciccolina was probably a blonde at this casa. Her attitude was glassy so I didn´t bother, but might be fun once one can elicit a reaction lol[/i]

Thanks for the good info on Mimosa. I generally stick with nicer Termas and clubs (minus Centaurus). Your description of Mimosa sort of reminds me of Lapa - an interesting area itself.

I get back to Rio soon and I may stroll through that area just out of curiosity. At the very least to explore Afonso Pena. That's if I can tear myself away from the academias, Ipanema, & Barra da Tijuca .... I reckon the weather should be great for soaking up some rays.

"O tempora, O mores"
- DSK

[QUOTE=Bravo]...Instead of being there to have a good time, they are there to see and be seen. Completely different vibe than help!...[/QUOTE]

Bravo,

thanks you too, exactly, my school english sucks lol, but the important thing, we understand ;)

[QUOTE=Christopherd]...sounds like you found the hygeinic supermarket that sells quite nice pizza....but the supermarket restaurant is nice and quick and inexpensive and the food always looks tasty...Regarding a market - I was mentioning Saara market in a previous post - maybe the two got mixed up a bit?...[/QUOTE]

Chris,

yes, spaghetti has two entrance, but even if good quality stuff, ( about pasta, they have "de Cecco", a bit less famous than Barilla, but much better taste imho) price are not very cheap ( pesto alla genovese about 4 euro when in Italy you get for about 2 ), but no doubt the best I saw here.
(yep,mixed a bit)

Once upon the time.... there was a good restaurant in the city, it HELPed many to get great time, you could love it or hate it, but it was almost the only place open after midnight. It was good cause even if you did not want to eat ( DATY ;) ) you could go there, drink and talking and meet with friends, a place where a turist feel quite safe, a large place, so it was a point of meeting with somebody you met during the day, sooner or later almost everybody along the night went there at least to see the scene.

Now it is over and the others main places are totally different.
Balcony is a sort of take away, not much conversation, forget to see terma girls show up there as it was in Help, forget to have fun and to see girls dancing, forget to feel confortable as you stand up in 99% of time, forget or work hard to get a girl overnight too. And be aware that the young children that in fron of Help bothered you only when you got out of taxi, now they will ask you money all the time as they are around you, cause you are outside in fron of avenida atlantica, where everybody can be there....no dress code to be in the street LOL.

Even "better" is like yesterday when it rains all the time, with only 20-30% less people they are yet way too much, hold umbrella or you will pay more attention to find a place where not get wet as pussy than to hunt girls.....

Girls....yes, the feeling yesterday was to swim between sharks, but to swim in a very little pool, ugly sharks hungry of money they earn harder than in Help, so they are much more into "business attitude".....one example ?
Two little thin white skin girls they are all the time together, I banged one in january 2009, in september in Help they just say me hello, yesterday when they noticed me, immediately they came to me with 2 big smiles.....Hi ! How are you ? Long time we did not see you ! ( BS last time 4 months ago ) ! Do you want to have party with 2 girls for 300 reais ? Well, I arrived now, let's see ! They left and hit another one gringo. One minute conversation.

Nobody, obviously pay entrance, so it is a bit cheaper, but on the other side they do not have to stay there all the time, so they move up and down avenida atlantica, thinking wrong keep on moving 100 metrs up and down the streets will help them to find one customer.

Some directly get out of dolce vita and become SW trying to approach the cars, other go for boites and are back in half hour. Ok none asked me to buy drinks, ( the only better thing than Help ), but I got tons of unwanted hug, hand touching, 1 minute conversation, eye contacts....everything but not fun as in Help.

I report what I saw cause it helps you to understand better. 3 men arrived, one noticed one nice girl, the other 2 said bring her, he said I wait, one of the other two said, hey it is only 150 reais why you wait, why how,where,when ? He did not take her !

Yes it is 150 reais only, but me and not only me, are not in mood to take one to hotel, strange as so cheap and men are still thinking if it worth it, why ?
Cause you really get the feeling of very cold sex session....and it was raining....so at least girls should be get wet at least before the session if not during it...

Also I noticed a bit too much totally drunk men there, all seem to speak loud even if music is not loud at all, they are couple of cops, so you feel enough safe, probably now all prado junior with so much turists is even safer than before help closed....

However let's say something....from a POV of carioca 50 years old with family, it was much better all GdP and mongers closed in one place,Help, instead to this "show" outside....so they resolve nothing if they wanted to clean the sex scene in copa !

Oh yeah, Prado Junior....here my reports.

Barbarella at midnight was totally crowded, full of men sit down with bottles of whisky and wine on the table....I thought are they all millionairs, am I the only one I care where I spend money or what else ? But when I saw twice that the waiter bring the bill and in one table the men almost argue between themselfs and in the second one the waiter light on the bill and explain the bill....I realized they are not aware of the prices there....

It is the place with higher % of Help girl, the best ones, that they think of themself too high class to stay at Balcony, few of them arrived by taxi, paid the 60 reais and get into with the hope written in her eyes to get one customer.

There is a show in Barbarella I seem to be the only one I care.

You cannot smoke inside, so all the time I was outside smoking I saw that every 4-5men one left with one girl.....5-600 reais for one girl, I do not think I will go there again, even if the girls are nice.

Erotika wins the award for the coldest place, good place to get sick, 30 reais for 2 drinks and the only decent girl was talking with 2 other girls care nothing about horny men there.

Senso is a totally rip off, 50 reais for ugly shark, sad atmosphere, I drunk one coca cola and I left.

Pussycat is great place, cause you can go into to see girls without have to pay, so you need, at least me yesterday, 20 seconds to go into and out....

Niko's is shitty place, 15 reais for one drink, but ugly girls and if you want to talk with one, it is 40 reais for lady drink. Be aware they are smart, they have 2 girls at the corners trying to take you there inside, they are the best ones of the club, they say 18-20 girls and there were only 6. The worst place with no doubt at all.

I wanted to check cicciolina too, but I thought I wasted too much money in one night for no fun, no sex and the only good thing....2 days and will arrive two good friends of mine, so at least I will have fun, something I still did not have in my first 2 days here.

So, to make long short, Barbarella it worth it to see nice girls, but you have to be lucky to find one that stay for more than 1 hour or you pay too much for too little time, Cicciolina is the best one, or the less worst, but go there quite early and be ready when you see get into a nice girl to start immediately to talk with her, cause they no pay entrance, so if they do not get customer, they leave quite soon. It takes time, but I believe it is the only one boite where it is "easy" to get an GFE overnight.

Obviously during the afternoon I hit termas too, so soon a complete report from all the main terma, but so far, I am abit disappointed too.

Thanks for reading and hey...all is IMHO....

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Once upon the time.... there was a good restaurant in the city, it HELPed many to get great time,

Now it is over and the others main places are totally different.
Balcony is a sort of take away, not much conversation, forget to see terma girls show up there as it was in Help, forget to have fun and to see girls dancing,Oh yeah, Prado Junior....here my reports.

Barbarella at midnight was totally crowded,

Senso is a totally rip off, 50 reais for ugly shark, sad atmosphere, I drunk one coca cola and I left.

Pussycat is great place, cause you can go into to see girls without have to pay, so you need, at least me yesterday, 20 seconds to go into and out....

Niko's is shitty place,
....[/QUOTE]


I feel your pain, what a shame, thanks for scoping all this out.

In years past you would always see some mention about Shenanigans or Lord Jim or even MELT having GDP's, I wonder what the scene is there now with Help closed, I would imagine a slight increase in those places as well.

For people who frequented Help it seems to be a whole new world now. I've been doing the night shift in Rio for years, waking up at 11 pm from my nap, go for dinner then entering Help by 1 AM, looks like I'll have to modify my schedule as all the action will be gone by then.

Sorry if anyone was misled - the TIM chip I got from Saara market, mentioned earlier, was fine, but I still had to get it activated (with a few free minutes) by TIM - who wanted to see my passport. They did, however, settle for seeing an electronic copy on my other phone.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Sorry if anyone was misled - the TIM chip I got from Saara market, mentioned earlier, was fine, but I still had to get it activated (with a few free minutes) by TIM - who wanted to see my passport. They did, however, settle for seeing an electronic copy on my other phone.[/QUOTE]

I activate one of TIM every time I come to Fortaleza and they always ask for the original passport. They wouldn't take a xerox of it.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Then you can take a left down Goncalves Ledo, Conceicao, or Ave. Passos towards Tiradentes Square (which has some very grubby sex places but also Carioca59 and the marginally cleaner Casarao) or you can walk a bit further to Lapa on the south of Centro or take the tram up the hills for a nice afternoon out.[/QUOTE]

Just a few words on Casarao since it isn't oft reported. I hit it in June of last year, around 6 PM on a weekday. It had an entrance fee, something low that I remember to be around $R12. There were about 5-6 girls in the boite at the time, 3 seemed to be drunk or asleep on the couch seating around the dance floor kind of area. I didn't see anything fit for duty, so I drank a beer, fended off a persistent chubby GDP, left and hit an apt. on Rio Branco.

Now I digress...Muito obrigado to all who have been providing the recent price updates. I plan to be back in Rio in April/May timeframe and am building a rough budget. I'll be coming off a 7 month stint of no mongering, and will be shafting as many garotas as my budget and vitamin tolerance will allow.

I hope like hell that Ent was not kidding below, but was LOL at the idea of lonely garotas in heels and minis sitting alone with buckets of beer and champagne and getting bright-eyed at the sight of a gringo with money and a flagpole in his pants . Sounds like my first trip to Brazil, 2005 when the Real was not so strong and the girls actually needed money and were trying to work us gringos for green cards/citizenship elsewhere. Now the situation is reversed and people are leaving the States for work in Brasil. Maybe P4P in North America will become cheap and plentiful above the Mexican border...a man can dream.

VM is sounding better and better versus the U-station area meat markets. The aggressive garotas at BA85 turned me off from sessioning there, despite the good price and availability. My ovos hurt from being grabbed hard several times and I thought my shirt would get torn off before I reached the top floor, literally. Like an American strip club, but with penetration. Instead, I'll hit VM, termas, and putting a special focus on lower end places for some nice non-hardcore favela girls. My perfect session was the one that I reported in June, the former Brenda at Flavia's' place. No words or salesgirlship needed..just pick, pay, shower, then time for romance..or my idea of it: DFK, 69, hardball anal, finish BBBJ. We shared a cigarette afterword while we stared at the ceiling, the she brought me a drink of water and gave me the full body massage until time ran out. Nothing says 'thank you for sodomizing me!' like cool glass of water and a nice deep tissue massage :) Where do they breed these garotas and how can we make more!?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I was supposed to be in Rio right now but I got sidetracked here in Lima. Got this email today though from a buddy on the ground in Copa....

Help girls are setting outside Balcony with Champagne, and buckets of beer, have watched this, but by 1:AM they leave together, no one is taking them, the midget left alone also, all that I have talked too are asking 150 all night, so many though, its finally a buyer's market, I don't know what will be happening next week with prices, I have heard, some girls are moving back home already.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I feel your pain, what a shame, thanks for scoping all this out.

In years past you would always see some mention about Shenanigans or Lord Jim or even MELT having GDP's, I wonder what the scene is there now with Help closed, I would imagine a slight increase in those places as well.

For people who frequented Help it seems to be a whole new world now. I've been doing the night shift in Rio for years, waking up at 11 pm from my nap, go for dinner then entering Help by 1 AM, looks like I'll have to modify my schedule as all the action will be gone by then.[/QUOTE]

-Your wellcome....no idea where shenanigans and lord jim are,but in one night you cannot travel in many places with hope to find a good one....

-instead now after solarium yesterday I did not went to sleep to wake up to midnight and go to help,but I slept until 6:30 am, went to run on avenida atlantica, not I take breakfast....I am more healthy guy for sure :D


[QUOTE=Christopherd]Sorry if anyone was misled - the TIM chip I got from Saara market, mentioned earlier, was fine, but I still had to get it activated....[/QUOTE]

Guys I miss the point to buy sim card in shopping center and then to go to original shop to activate the sim ? Why have to go to 2 places instead of directly to Tim and get out in 2 minutes with already mobile phone working ?

[QUOTE=Lukasek]-Guys I miss the point to buy sim card in shopping center and then to go to original shop to activate the sim ? Why have to go to 2 places instead of directly to Tim and get out in 2 minutes with already mobile phone working ?[/QUOTE]


That's exactly what I do. One stop shop.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Once upon the time.... there was a good restaurant in the city, it HELPed many to get great time, you could love it or hate it, but it was almost the only place open after midnight. It was good cause even if you did not want to eat ( DATY ;) ) you could go there, drink and talking and meet with friends, a place where a turist feel quite safe, a large place, so it was a point of meeting with somebody you met during the day, sooner or later almost everybody along the night went there at least to see the scene.

Now it is over and the others main places are totally different.
Balcony is a sort of take away, not much conversation, forget to see terma girls show up there as it was in Help, forget to have fun and to see girls dancing, forget to feel confortable as you stand up in 99% of time, forget or work hard to get a girl overnight too. And be aware that the young children that in fron of Help bothered you only when you got out of taxi, now they will ask you money all the time as they are around you, cause you are outside in fron of avenida atlantica, where everybody can be there....no dress code to be in the street LOL.
[/QUOTE]

Thanks for such a detailed report. It is interesting to see how the scene is changing ... and not necessarily for the best.

I was in Rio and Help for New Years and the girls were worried about what they would do. More so than ever they were giving out phone numbers and email addresses hoping to keep in touch and build their business through person contact instead of a venue where everybody gathers. Since I have been back and have received many emails from those I exchanged email addresses with them asking when I will be back.

I also noticed that several Help girls had started to work in the termas. One in particularly, a short beautiful morena with long black hair is now working in Monte Carlo.

Other girls say they are gong to go to London or Madrid.

Lukasek your reports are very helpful early dispatches on the change in the Rio mongering scene. Some of us already miss Help, I do. I will be back in March and I will be following the report until then.

Thanks much for your reports. Have fun.

This is the part of town where I stay when I´m in Copa and I love every dirty muckhole of it. Just coming back from shopping though and for anyone else this end of town, if you are fed up with grubby Copa supermarkets and overpriced food, do try the Leme supermarket, 100yds past Isabel. Western-style hygeine and an attractive in-store lunch (pizza, pasta etc) for around 10R or less.[/QUOTE]

Chris, thanks for your informative posts. Could you explain where Saara is please? I also did my shopping in the Leme supermarket – which is on Copacabana about 300 metres (900 feet) past Princessa Isabella with the pizzeria – and found it to be the best priced and tastiest pizza and pasta in the neighbourhood (a basic pizza is only R9 which is good value). Although I never made it I've been assured by a non-mongering local friend that the same supermarket has a really good breakfast buffet up until midday. Will try it next time I'm back.

Just behind the supermarket on Rua Gustavo Sampaio is a video store called Macedonia. Inside is a little cafe that sells the best espresso based coffee in the area (although given Cariocas' indifference to quality coffee it doesn't have much competition!) I often go there to do some writing on my laptop and enjoy some quiet in a nice, modern European style air-conditioned environment. You also see some hot non-garotas renting a DVD which helps stir the loins for an evening's entertainment.

On the corner of Ns de Copacabana and Prado Junior is a sucos bar called Wind Sucos that does good Acai. Right next to this is a little hole in the wall sucos bar called (I think) Hiper Mate. The lads that run it are good fun if you get to know them. They speak almost incomprehensible Carioca Portuguese and know absolutely no English but I grew to like them and their careless ways. For instance, I ordered an omelette and rarely was it standard. Some days it would be a bit burnt, other days it had tomato in it, and on Sundays and holidays they wouldn't serve it at all. I never discovered why. The ketchup sachets they had were almost impossible to open without a serrated knife and the price they charged me for the same thing varied by a couple of Reals every time. I went there for the sheer perversity of the situation.

The cafe is situated right where all the freaks, disableds, favella-dwellers, brush salesmen, stool salesmen, office workers, delivery boys, she-males, GDPs and lunatics pass by. Many of them stop to buy fags from the news agent kiosk opposite. It was here I picked up my best and cheapest (R50) fuck of my holiday (see recent past post for more information on this.) A seat outside with your back to the wall offers a slice of slightly sleazy, real Rio life. I even witnessed an old alcoholic street lady knocked down and killed. Sad. The police arrived and lazily sat in their squad car while the public took control. The ambulance turned up, declared her dead and then drove off, leaving the locals to organise transport to the morgue.

Just down the road is the bar where all the night workers frequent, sometimes until 1pm when it seems to close. On my very first morning I saw a fist fight that caused only a moment's interest from the very stoned and drunk rabble stumbling around on the pavement outside.

I just returned from three weeks in Leme and think that due to Help's closure we will see a lot more action in and around Prado Junior, including Balcony. I too have heard that the Meridien may have a GDP disco in the basement but that remains to be seen. Would love it if this happened. Does anyone know who has purchased the hotel? A hotel chain would be unlikely to allow this sort of thing to occur wouldn't it? Not sure about Dubai. Who owns the hotels where this sort of thing goes on? Chain or private owners?

Finally, a couple of thoughts:
In typical counter-intuitive Rio fashion I fell out with the management of L'Uomo, that Shangri La of a first-time monger's dreams. The reason was being hoodwinked into taking a suite rather than a basic room. I arrived early on a Wednesday to gain the pre-seven pm discount. Got all excited thinking I was going to get laid in a nice environment for R240. Almost the first girl I saw was who I fucked. Big firm arse, freckles on her face, blue eyes and a deep tan. She was there last year. I had the raging horn and she was easily the best of the bunch according to my tastes that afternoon.

We went to the boite and got down to business. In my stupidity I didn't pay attention to the room (as usual in the company of a hot girl stroking my inner thigh my brain had moved south). We got down to decidedly below-average business – no proper blowjob, not even covered, half-arsed kissing and a gaping arse hole that offered very little in the way of pleasure. On the plus side she could constrict her pussy to create extra purchase on my cock which always feels delightful.

After 40 minutes I asked if we should finish, then it dawned on me she'd booked me into a suite and for an hour rather than 40 minutes. No discussion. I initially assumed that because L'Uomo had had some refurbishment work the rooms were now a higher standard. My assumption was ill-founded. What followed was 20 minutes of frustrated sexual kicks. I tried to enjoy myself but was increasingly aware I'd been duped by this girl who was proceeding with a sloppy hand job. I'm under no illusion the girls who work in the Termas are in love with the customer but one can suspend ones disbelief for 40 minutes of pleasure and most of the girls are willing to play along.

At the end of the session I went straight to the English speaking receptionist who has always seemed a reasonable lady. I explained my predicament – that I hadn't requested a suite and that on 40 minutes protested about the situation. She gave the usual buyer beware argument. I continued to protest. I explained I'd been to L'Uomo on several occasions last year and never once was taken to a suite so I assumed that this year the refurbishments I'd noticed meant a general upgrade which included the rooms. She called the manager who point-blankly refused my complaint. I even suggested splitting the increased cost and putting it down to experience. No budging. After ten minutes I decided I was wasting my time. I told them I was a journalist (I'm not) who wrote about the sex industry for a living and didn't want to report that L'Uomo treated its customers with disdain. This was my final gamble. In the UK or especially US the management want to keep customers happy. An agreement is normally reached in the hope the customer will be keen to continue to do business. Not so in Rio it seems. Finally I told them that I would never come back to L'Uomo and would do my best to alert others to the dishonest practices that take place there. They've lost a good customer who was always keen to evangelise the termas. I won't return. Lesson learnt: always always check the small print and insist on a standard boite unless you are happy to be charged extra for a suite and an hour.

Second: no matter how hard you try to blend in, if you are northern European in appearance Carioca's will clock you. I dressed down like a local – cheap vest, Havainas deliberately scuffed, basic beach shorts, no watch etc but found it hard to blend in. Even running along the beach one evening in just a pair of shorts, three girls stopped me and asked in broken English if I could take their photo! I even had a good tan! Maybe I run like a northerner…
I witnessed a British man have a gold chain snatched from around his neck by a thief on a bike. This happened on the seafront and luckily community rallied round and caught the thief, gave him a slap and returned the chain. I myself was grabbed by a very high street dweller on New Year's Eve in front of lots of people on Ns Copacabana. No one intervened as he screamed he was going to kill me. Luckily he didn't, but it shows how gringoes stand out.

If you want to stay secure I advise you to do all or some of the following:
Dress down; no watches, jewellery, designer labels, phones on display.
Walk proud; walk like you mean business. Robbers prey on the weak. After my attack whenever I was out in a secluded area and felt threatened I walked tall and fast, with a swagger, chest out and with clenched fists. I may have looked a prat but I think I looked less inviting to potential muggers.
Double up; two people are harder to attack and intimidate. If you are going to somewhere you think may have a higher risk of crime try and go with a mate.
Be aware; when I was attacked I thought I was safe because I was on a busy street on a busy night, surrounded by people. I let my guard down and was in a little world of my own. If you see someone up ahead you don't like the look of don't be too proud to turn around. Cross the road before you get too close and stay in the light and stay on busy streets.
Having said all that, I'm still alive.

Finally, if you get chance, visit a favela. I've been to Rio's largest, Rocinha on an organised tour. It was an eye opener. I saw a 16 year-old with a machine gun, but I also saw a thriving community with shops, banks and cafes. At least a quarter of all Carioca's live in a favela of some sort. Seeing it will give you a greater understanding of this wonderful, perverse nation. Behind Leme is favela Babilonia-Chapeu Mangueria. It featured in the 1959 Oscar-winning film Orfeu Negro and in 2007's Golden Bear winning Trope De Elite. There is a police presence now although this causes its own problems in as much as there is no 'iron fist' in the form of the chief drug trafficker or 'mayor' to maintain civil life - houses are now being built with disregard for neighbours and petty crimes like dumping are on the increase. If you want a good tour of Babilonia I suggest you try this young lady:

[url]http://lemebabilonia.multiply.com/journal/item/3[/url]

She is very knowledgeable and lives within the community. It will open your eyes.

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[QUOTE=Lukasek]Once upon the time.... there was a good restaurant in the city, it HELPed many to get great time, you could love it or hate it, but it was almost the only place open after midnight.....[/QUOTE]

I enjoy your posts and photos. Please keep them coming.

Thanks again.

I'M looking at the clouds and thinking VM is not a good place to be when it rains. But it seems a waste not to do something. I pick a 20yr old girl called Camilla from the right hand of the U-Bend, second casa. * She's very petite, dances a nice butt-dance and does the cutesey come-on to me every time I go past. Decent performance in the room if not outstanding. She doesn't rush. Her clit swells to the size of an uncracked walnut but I don't sense she's going to come. Her breasts are a little loose for her age and I guess she's not nulliparous though I don't ask. Her party piece is doggy, when she shakes her butt the way she did when dancing. Rather nice. I crack off a couple of photos and show her. She has a very slight whitish discharge and I reassure her this is normal (which it usually is, especially when there's no smell, which there isn't). She's worked in VM for 3 months she says. Affectionate leave taking and I take another glance at the sky and dark looking clouds. The alleys of Mimosa soon get waterlogged and many of the roofs leak. And I think it tends to smell worse in the wet.

Love the medical report! Are you a doctor? Did you charge her for the advice? Had to look up nulliparous!

Hey guys,

After reading this forum for a few days, and getting aware of what to do and what not do while I'm in Rio. Maybe you guys can help me out with one issue.

I was highlly recomended by a friend to use [url]www.Thewonderfulcity.com[/url] to rent an apartment in Rio for my first trip from 09th Feb to 25th.

Does anybody had use their service? Does anybody had rented from Fred or Margareth before?

I'm already touching bases with them, Spoke to Fred on the phone, he sounded like a nice guy. It's a familie business, they are one ofthe first vacation agencies in Rio. Anyway I'm on the way of getting the apartment from them, I just want to get some of the experts opinion.

Thanks a bunch!

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]A couple of months ago Centaurus went up to 450 and they asked for it up front after waving in some loud mouthed gringos. All of these things offended me since I have known this place for many years. I left and won't go there as long as there is such a price difference. I don't expect them to come down.

MC also has gone up. It is now 70 + 70 + 170 which is R310! As far as the talent, I would say mixed. Definitely some stunners but a lot of huge bundas. And I mean HUGE.. To each his own. that's just not my thing. If one can't find something they like there, I an sorry for them.[/QUOTE]Wow 450R is expensive. You take a girl with 150R from balconi my friend says but I didn't ask him what the girls look like! I'm going to Rio next week I don't think I am going to centaurus with those hight prices. I will try monte carlo, I did that last year hade some fun with a stunner. You have any other Suggestions?

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]Thanks for such a detailed report. It is interesting to see how the scene is changing ... and not necessarily for the best....
I also noticed that several Help girls had started to work in the termas....[/QUOTE]

Smooth Slim,

thanks very much for your kind words, I like to write and to try to make feel the ones at home here, to satisfy their, normal, curiosity especially in these times of big changes from the end of Help.

Yet not been to Montecarlo, I will do it asap, however I was talking in luomo with one girl who said, many were thinking Help girls could end to terma, honestly in 4x4,solarium and luomo none Help girls.

I guess it is cause Help girls are basically very lazy to have a work everyday for about 9 hours per day. I think for them, looking to their sad and angry faces in Balcony, is even harder than for us that Help is over.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]...Have fun.[/QUOTE]

Thanks man, I will try ;)

[QUOTE=The Watcher]I enjoy your posts...[/QUOTE]

I guess where went the only one that everytime understood right in which terma I took my photos ;)

Thanks you too, I am happy you enjoyed.


So guys, yesterday after solarium, I'll report later, I went to sleep at 23h, cause really I had no mood to go to Balcony and/or the prado junior boite walking, wasting of money, effort and I am not Tom Cruise for the impossible mission to find a friendly, nice, overnight girl down there.

Honestly I feel a bit "stupid2 to go to sleep so early, I am in holiday right ? But so far as here all changed, so I thought let's try something different.

Well this morning I woke up at 7h and I went, after years, to run-footing on avenida atlantica, I went back, shower breakfast and I feel great.

Today is saturday, so maybe I will give a try somewhere, however for me it is quite good too, to wake up early,the day at the beach, totally relax ( I feel a new man now ) and afternoon terma until late evening and go to sleep.

It is something different from my usual holiday when I am up in the night and sleep during the day to enjoy night life, but it is not so bad.

[QUOTE=The Watcher].....and photos. Please keep them coming.

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]

About the photos, tomorrow will arrive simpleminded with his friend, so first of all my english, talking everyday with them, should get a bit better in my reports ;) and second all the pictures I took were with his camera, a very small one, that it is easy to be hidden in the small pocket to the terma bathrobe :)

Have fun everywhere you are

[b]massagens 210, saara, blood on the path, free dance lessons. street carnaval parties, blues n jazz, carnaval hotel prices, miami peep[/b]

a nice saturday afternoon out in centro. i´ll pop it into sections as i know some members are just interested in p4p and some are interested in the wider brasilian stuff. ;)

there´s always people who are a bit new to centro, so i thought this ´typical´ day out might give some ideas perhaps.


[b]massagens 210[/b]
the bus drops me in centro at tiradentes palace, which i like for the music and books shop a few yards away. i have a quick wander along ouvidor towards the bay to see if any of the termas there are open (they´re not) but it´s a nice area anyway – upmarket cafes often with outdoor tables and music. i´m cativated by a blues sax player whose cheeks go in strange directions. i look in at [b]ba25[/b] which is less busy on a saturday, but the atmosphere isn´t as good as it can be – even renata seems peevish, so i stroll over to the nearby [b]uru210[/b] which i mentioned in a previous post the other day. my two recommendations if you come here are a) hang about until a doable appears. the nice ones are possibly busy when you walk in. and b) pay the extra for the nice room. this is 45r for 30mins (as opposed to the ba85 type stalls at 1r a min) but is well worth it. fully aircon, nice décor, total privacy and plenty of room. i hung around for a cold drink till a bubbly creature with a bubbly smile and very enormous breasts (au naturel). just before i put a condom on (i think she was gonna go for bareback, the naughty safada), she grabs me and gives me a very silky cool bj. shortly after penetration, she starts to frigg herself, continuing till she has a very loud, violent orgasm. it´s at this point you´re pleased the room is fairly sound insulated compared to the others. afterwards she is all cat-got-the-cream and curls up in spoon to purr. ignores the mamas an banging on the door [i]twice[/i] and eventually asks me lazily, ´are we gonna move?´ a nice start to the day. i took a pic of her v.e.b. to post later. again, if you try this place, do wait for a nice woman. there are uglies there too. but it´s new and they are making a big effort, sweeping and polishing and being extra nice to people.
[b]saara[/b]
after i posted about saara before, some people pm´d me for more details. it´s especially nice early saturday afternoon (it shuts mid-afternoon though). there is less pressure and the girls stop to flirt as they try to upsell you on goods. from vargas, just take a right after uruguiana station and keep going. the prices seem to get progressively cheaper the closer you get to the park at the end. i got a couple of t-shirts (hint: anything to do with surf is reasonably ´cool´) for 5r each, and a nice bathmat for 2r. i saw bermudas at 8r and havaianas at 6r.
[b]escape in the park[/b]
i sometimes come in here – the park at the far (western) end of buenos aires, for some quiet r&r. there´s a colony of cats, a lake, big mango(?) trees, and small mini-hog -like creatures. usually the odd tramp or two but it is reasonably safe. except today a police car drives through and drives over a guy´s foot. he must have been dozing. it´s spurting blood all over the place and he´s screaming and yelling. the police car eventually stops and backs up and carries him into the back. hopefully they´ll give him more than a band-aid ooer.
[b]free dance lessons[/b]
heading back towards rua carioca (along visconde do rio branco) i come across a new(-ish?) dance studio. at least i´ve not seen it here before. it´s on visconde do, just opposite the end of lavadrio (the road from lapa). they are offering a free first lesson. advertised styles include forro, salsa, tango and zouk. ([url]http://renatapecanha.com.br[/url])
[b]carnaval hotel prices[/b]
i had hoped to be able to give you better news, but it might help as a guide. this is an excellent area to stay if you are doing carnaval at sambodromo, as well as being near to p4p amenities. these hotels are adjacent to praca tiradentes (no connection to tiradentes palace). the ibis is the closest you´ll find here to recognizable western standards and very reasonable as well as fully gf (you pay for the room, not per person). they have rooms just now at 165r (weekdays) and 145r (weekends). but are sold out over carnaval competition dates. prices vary wildly, but to give you an idea, their rate for 12th feb to 15th feb is 279r. i´ve stayed at the ibis and reckon it´s ok. formule 1 next door is also sold out over carnaval proper though they are usually marginally cheaper. rio hotel opposite (afaiaa you can only book in person, but i may be wrong) is the sort of place that should pay you to stay there. their rate is 50r, but even they are sold out over carnaval.
[b] street carnaval parties / jazz festival[/b]
these, as well as practice sessions, are starting to build up all over town as rio gets into gear for carnaval. there´s often a good barbecue on offer and a great community atmosphere. i came across two today – one just before lavadrio (see above) and then a bacteria (percussion) practice just off rua carioca. it was pretty awesome – i love these – and i love exchanging the thrill the drums bring, the shivers up the spine, when exchanging eye-contact with total strangers. i watched one full rehearsal then sat down for some yakisoba (a remarkably spotless asian café just off carioca i´ve never noticed before) and listened to another round. btw i think the jazz festival starts on the 20th.
[b]miami peep[/b]
jump the metro back to sq and have a quick look in miami peep for a quick grope. this place is so tacky but even worse if you order the wrong girl for a private session (ie one that had her photo taken 20yrs previously). i change what i think is the last of my tokens for reals. but get caught out when i pull out a pocketful of change in the supermarket that includes a left-over miami peep token. very embarrassing. fortunately the check-out assistant just laughed. :) asked them when they shut – told me hours are 1pm-9pm. it is too tacky to describe – please do a search for a description of the gymnastical mutual gropes in the private booths.

[QUOTE=Kadaf]Hey guys,

After reading this forum for a few days, and getting aware of what to do and what not do while I'm in Rio. Maybe you guys can help me out with one issue.

I was highlly recomended by a friend to use [url]www.Thewonderfulcity.com[/url] to rent an apartment in Rio for my first trip from 09th Feb to 25th.

Does anybody had use their service? Does anybody had rented from Fred or Margareth before?

I'm already touching bases with them, Spoke to Fred on the phone, he sounded like a nice guy. It's a familie business, they are one ofthe first vacation agencies in Rio. Anyway I'm on the way of getting the apartment from them, I just want to get some of the experts opinion.

Thanks a bunch![/QUOTE]

I just rented an apartment from wonderfulcity from December 30 - January 9. Margareth and Frederico were very nice. In fact, Margareth was so nice that she cut the price by $500 - it should be noted that this apartment was listed with another agency for the same original price that Margareth listed the apartment.

I only talked with Margareth but I met with Frederico - he let me into the apartment and I paid him the balance for the apartment. He is a young guy but a good guy. I had no problems with the apartment so I had no contact with them after the first day.

I had a roommate who left the day after I did. He had no problems at checkout and he checked out at 9:00 p.m. This is an important fact because another person was checking in as soon as my roommate left. In other words, they did not request my roommate to leave early so that another person could occupy the apartment. I think this was extraordinarily generous on their part.

I took a look to the apts, they look nice but way too expensive comparing with where I am: 2 bedroom,fast net, close to miguel lemos, sat tv, air condition, totally new, rebuild inside last year and all for 50$ ! But yes, I had to book about 3 monhts ago, I was introduced from a friend but something one year ago I thought it could be impossible, very nice apt at cheap price, is now true. ( just to let you know how the most famous agencies for gringo rip you totally off with the prices... ).

4 terma in 5 days and I took only one girl and having everytime 600 reais, to be sure I could take her for one hour, and been horny as a dog with 3 balls.....yes, you guess right, something is wrong here !

Let's say I changed a lot from the beginning of my mongering life, I do not need to fuck to live, I fuck only when I find a very nice one, friendly, when it born a bit of chemistry and when she is not a cold fish, so for sure I am very exigent now.

Let's say that spend Xmas holiday in FKK in German did no help me, as there the quality of girls is much higher, for my taste, than in terma.

But let's also add that I never saw so many fat ass and ugly girls as in these 5 days !

Also very important, I never saw so slow night at termas too, when men talking with men and girls getting boring.

To let you understand well, many girls all the time were yawning !!!

And another important thing, I never been so often approached from girl I neither watched for !!!

Guys we were afraid with end of Help terma could get crowded from mongers ? Well much less mongers than when Help was open !


4x4: I already wrote about it, on monday I was shocked to find it with not much people, some good ones, the same of january 2009, no new girls nice for my eyes.(possible to smoke in bar upstairs)

Luomo:the entrance worth it just to see Bia dancing, but even her, was more lazy than usual, she is great, but I did not want to repeat with her, 2 new girls talking all the time together. About 22h we were in 6 men....
No possible to smoke.

Solarium: friday night they dress normal clothes, not good to see what you are buying, too horny to resist, I took a good one, but nothing special, I was too weak and stay with her 1 hour in cabine the bill was about 500 reais, it means about 192 euro or 277$, sorry but too fucking expensive for me ! ( only couple of beers and coca cola, not Dom Perignon !!).
However for sure the terma with best looking girls !
Smoking possible everywhere.

Montecarlo: about 40 girls, but only 2 were good. The terma were I was approached most of times of girls asking if directly and immediately if I want a massage, or to fuck or a good bj, almost neither curious to know my name or where I am from or too lazy to lie fake interest in short conversation.Smoking only in whyskeria where for 2 hours there were 5 guys watching the television caring nothing about the girls in the bar area.

Another thing, I did not see men that party there, I mean, men with for some time drinking,having fun with the same girls. It looks to me a sort of factory sex, everybody looking around until sometime some decide to bring a girl upstairs.

I have to say, for me there is not much fun to go to terma now, all my previous times to rio, terma was a great place where to spend time, looking girls smiling,dancing, nice conversation and most of times I ended to cabine, even with not super wonderful girls, but cause I HAD FUN !

No fun, not much mood to have sex too.

My feeling is.....with price higher, ( entrance and couple of beers and you are higher than 100 reais----38 euro----55$ !!!), it means you think twice before to go to terma just to kill the time after the beach and before late dinner, so a bit less customers, means less money for girls, that instead to try better to convince man to have sex, they try harder ( in a colder and faster way, sometime in almost unpolite way and they get pissed off when you deny their approach ).

So less money, less fun, less mood to have sex, higher prices, ALL works to make things become worst !!!

Higher prices, think twice whom to go, they get tired to try, they look boring, they yawn and you think, what the fuck I am doing here ? 100 reais for what ? 120 reais 2 hours 1 girl from karlamodels and I can talk with my buddy even at the beach.....

Very interesting that all the time I played to be surprised and curious about the weak-slow evening and I asked to girl about it.....first they say often, oh, it is only today....then when I said, I was in the other termas and.....they asked me, how is there ? Girls work there ? Many customers ??
They are more than aware of the situation and they hope you suggest them that in that particularly terma it is good business, I am sure, they could have zero problems to leave to another terma, despite the problem the situation is the same in all the terma I visited.

Less than a week here and despite the good weather, the first bad thing was to not have a place where to go after midnight, second thing the different vibe,higher prices, tired girls in terma.
2 bad news, time to try something different, what ? Well...stay tuned, no matter what I will do, for sure I will report step by step as I always did.

Cheers guys

P.S. Obviously it is only my point of view, we are all different, maybe you come here and you get nice times or maybe you find out to agree with me, however here it is not as it used to be before, even if it depends by you, if you had sex last time 3 months ago and only looking for 3 holes, no reason why you shouldn't enjoy here.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I took a look to the apts, they look nice but way too expensive comparing with where I am: 2 bedroom, fast net, close to miguel lemos, sat tv, air condition, totally new, rebuild inside last year and all for 50$! But yes, I had to book about 3 monhts ago, I was introduced from a friend but something one year ago I thought it could be impossible, very nice apt at cheap price, is now true. (just to let you know how the most famous agencies for gringo rip you totally off with the prices.).[/QUOTE]My first and second trip to Rio (2009), I went with the wonderfulcity and as mentioned, Frederico is a really cool guy and he did take care of my needs while I was there. First apt I got from them was in May 2009. I thought the room looked really nice. The issues (which could probably happen anywhere) was there were only 2 towels when I arrived on a Saturday and I didn't get any more until the following Tuesday (not cool, but used the Laundry place to help) and the other biggie for me at least was that I couldn't plug in any of my US electronics (laptop, radio, etc) in the wall socket, because of the difference between the US and Brazilian wall socket. Fred took care of that after I called him, whereas he brought me an adapter. Internet no problem. Just something to be aware of and ask about, before you arrive. Saw a few ants crawling out of the kitchen garbage can, but that didn't bother me. Got a can of spray and moved on. As long as I don't see roaches, I'm cool.

Oh yeah, this apt was like 4 blocks from Meia Pattaca and about $70 bucks per night. He rents out cell phone for $5 per day and I believe the maid service was like $20 per day.

On their website, you also have to pay upfront like (I believe) a third of the total bill, before they will hold the room. So, when you sign up, you state what room you want, how many days of maid service, how many days of cell phone rental, airport pickup, perhaps a couple of other options I can't remember, then a total bill is drawn up, and then it states how much of that total you'll need to pay now in order for them to hold the room. I paid through paypal.

Another "oh yeah", when I got in the apt, I paid the remaining monies due, and then Fred said to me that he forgot to tell me that he was supposed to get an additional refundable deposit from me, which will be returned to me at the end of my stay, pending of course that I don't destroy the apt. I told him I have no more money to give him and wasn't comfortable with that. No argument ensured and he quickly acknowledged that he shoudl have told me that upfront and let it go. Yet, another thing for you to be aware of.

Second stay with them was in July 2009 (my official second trip to Rio). I told Fred I wanted something closer to the action and that's where they got me an apt on Miguel Lemos. Perfect location, but room seemed to be like half the size of the apt in May which was 4 blocks away. Bathroom was like a little closet and with me being 6'4, 270, you know I wasn't very comfortable getting in and out of there. NOT Fred's fault that I'm a McDonalds fan. Again, just telling my experience. This time, Fred had an adapter waiting for me, so that I would be able to plug in my electronics. Great! More than double the amount of towels! Outstanding! Again, internet, no problem. View from my window: Spectacular. I was also right between Meia Pattaca and HELP. Can't get no better. Price was like 5 bucks cheaper than May. I did the same deal with renting the phone, getting a couple days of maid service, and paying that deposit up front online, which again, I believe is a third of the total cost.

Third trip to Rio: November. Talked to veterans who were down in Rio in May and July. Realized that I could do better, in terms of cost, location, and room size. Also found that I wouldn't have to give up a deposit either. All of that panned out, as I did take the advice of another mongerer and got in touch with this gentleman named Franco.

Franco got me the best looking apt yet. Looked outstanding. It was two blocks from HELP/Meia Pattaca, charged me $55 per night, didn't charge me extra for cell phone rental, didn't charge me extra for maid service (although I left a nice tip regardless), and I also didn't have to give him a deposit before arrival. Could it be that he went the extra mile because I was recommended to him by a regular customer of his? I don't know. All I know is that in November, it saved me a lot of dough and I got a nicer place. Franco is now in my Rolodex.

Well, that was my experience. I believe that Fred and his mother are great people and they did take care of me. Can't say nothing bad about them personally. For me though, working with Franco was a better and money saving experience. I believe that Franco may have been mentioned in this forum before or in another topic concerning apartments/hotels.

Hope this helps and good luck with your decision.

The Windex Man

I really appreciate the posts concerning the nighttime action (or lack there of) after HELP closed. I searched this forum for information on Meia Pattaca post HELP, and unless I missed it, I don't think anyone has talked about it yet. Anybody have some information to share on this.

Myself and another mongerer kind of made a prediction that some of the nighttime HELP girls may now come out during the daytime and hang out there for less money. Did that happen? Lot more girls at MP / beach or is it the same (prior to the closing)?

Thanks

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]
...

MC also has gone up. It is now 70 + 70 + 170 which is R310! As far as the talent, I would say mixed. Definitely some stunners but a lot of huge bundas. And I mean HUGE.. To each his own. that's just not my thing. If one can't find something they like there, I an sorry for them.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that's some depressing news about Monte Carlo. When I was there back in November, it seemed to make a comeback as far as getting better talent. I went there more than any of the other Copa termas on my last trip because I liked the new talent and the price had stayed basically the same for the last year.

MC was once under the same ownership as Solarium, but no longer. Solarium had recently raised their prices to R310 for 40 minutes, and now MC follows suit! I am not sure how I can justify going to MC anymore, except Tuesdays for free-cabine day with a coupon. If I'm going to pay R310, I might as well go out of my way to Solarium where there is a guaranteed abundance of talent and more of it than MC.

Seems only a matter of time before Luomo follows suit with this price gouging. Luomo at the present time, at R240 for 40-minutes with an entrance before 7p is definitely the best value in Copa.

Gentlemen,

After a lot of planning for the trip to Rio I was finally able to get everything ready for my first trip to Rio.


Arriving in Rio on the 19th for about 5 nights. Coming from Germany FKk so was not really looking into the Termas scenerio but was really looking forward to going to HELP for picking up chicas.

But now HELP has closed so I am lost as to what to do? Since this is a recent development of HELP being closed....there isn't much information as to which disco the girls are going to these days?

Would really appreciate if senior members can guide which bar/night club/disco has high talent in the last few days as the forum is still recovering from the loss of HELP.

Since will be staying at the Marriott - I would be more interested in the LT verses the Thermas.

Any help would be much appreciated as I am lost as to what to do.

Thanks gents!!!

- AC

[QUOTE=AsianChaos]Gentlemen,

After a lot of planning for the trip to Rio I was finally able to get everything ready for my first trip to Rio.


Arriving in Rio on the 19th for about 5 nights. Coming from Germany FKk so was not really looking into the Termas scenerio but was really looking forward to going to HELP for picking up chicas.

But now HELP has closed so I am lost as to what to do? Since this is a recent development of HELP being closed....there isn't much information as to which disco the girls are going to these days?

Would really appreciate if senior members can guide which bar/night club/disco has high talent in the last few days as the forum is still recovering from the loss of HELP.

Since will be staying at the Marriott - I would be more interested in the LT verses the Thermas.

Any help would be much appreciated as I am lost as to what to do.

Thanks gents!!!

- AC[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565336&postcount=46[/url]

Everything you need to know about Rio is in here.

[QUOTE=Kadaf]
I was highlly recomended by a friend to use [url]www.Thewonderfulcity.com[/url] to rent an apartment in Rio for my first trip from 09th Feb to 25th.
Does anybody had use their service? Does anybody had rented from Fred or Margareth before?[/QUOTE]
You are in good hands. That is who I rent from. She also rents out a friend's apartment when he is not in Rio.

The Monger Temple of Copacabana, aka "Help", being dismantled. I wonder how much did the sign sell for. I am sure someone bought hit for keepsake of their monger memories. But my friend who sent me this photo says he thinks the sign will be stored for a new location. Or maybe it will be displayed in the new museum. LOL! See photo attached.

Hey Windex Man,

I don't suppose you'd be willing to share Franco's details with us? He sounds like a good guy.

I've used EZ Rio Rentals twice in a row and found Ken, the owner to be polite and efficient. He is an American so speaks English (almost perfect in fact!)

[url]http://www.ez-riorentals.com/[/url]

This year I stayed in Leme and found it positive in as much as it's quieter than Copacabana. It's a bit of a walk to Help! but I managed to lose half-a-stone (seven pounds) in three weeks from walking back and forth, and besides, I doubt I'll be walking to Help! anymore. Leme is also close to Prado Junior, which is just fun to hang around, day or night as there's always something or someone to watch.

Ken has a partner, Rodrigo, who will pick up and deliver you from and to the airport for R110. He's a safe driver (safe being relative of Rio chauffeurs) and his car is clean.

I was there over Christmas/New Year when prices go up steeply. I paid around £55/$90 per night. I only had a studio but it was on the sea front with a lovely view. Does anyone think this was a good or bad price?

Does any one know if poulina is still working at 4x4?

Also, a recent report refered to Bia working at MC. Is it the same famous Bia that worked at MC few years back?

This is the saddest picture I have ever seen in my life.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]The Monger Temple of Copacabana, aka "Help", being dismantled. I wonder how much did the sign sell for. I am sure someone bought hit for keepsake of their monger memories. But my friend who sent me this photo says he thinks the sign will be stored for a new location. Or maybe it will be displayed in the new museum. LOL! See photo attached.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]The Monger Temple of Copacabana, aka "Help", being dismantled. I wonder how much did the sign sell for. I am sure someone bought hit for keepsake of their monger memories. But my friend who sent me this photo says he thinks the sign will be stored for a new location. Or maybe it will be displayed in the new museum. LOL! See photo attached.[/QUOTE]Thanks Jamaicanceo, your friend captured a special moment. It's kind of like an open casket funeral so we can all really believe it from abroad. I'd love to have a higher rez copy if your friend posts it anywhere.

[QUOTE=Smokers Rule]This is the saddest picture I have ever seen in my life.[/QUOTE]There ought to be a day of mourning, huh? But I think more for the garotas than the mongers. Without Help, the mongering scene will change with less spoiled gdp. Remember, these girls began asking for R$400 for 2 hours. I'll be in Rio next Monday for 10 days. I'll miss the restaurant "TA", where I picked up girls at R$200 for 2 orgasmos. But Balcony will be the same for less. I will be in Rio next Monday for 10 days. We'll see!

[QUOTE=Pure Power][url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565336&postcount=46[/url]

Everything you need to know about Rio is in here.[/QUOTE]Bubba's report in a very good detailed report - but very old.

What about the latest GDP action now Help is closed?

[QUOTE=Simply X]Does any one know if poulina is still working at 4x4?

Also, a recent report refered to Bia working at MC. Is it the same famous Bia that worked at MC few years back?[/QUOTE]

Who is Paulina ?

Yes, same gorgeous Bia

[quote=bizzie]luka,
the aesthetics are probably better in an fkk (based on my 2 visits) but cant comapre that to helpee where chicks were all clothed. even compared to termas, the fkk may have better 'looks', but the 30-minute sex is more machine like in my opinion.
i generally got better vibe at termas except recent reports are worrisome and have me questioning my next trip to rio:([/quote]

i answer here, cause in photo gallery it could be off topic, if we do not post photo.

30 minutes in fkk=sex machine ? and +10 minutes in terma, where is the difference ?

balcony girl now try to stay not much more than 30 minutes, is it what ? second experience yesterday with balcony girl, more to follow...

help girls often look much better dressed than naked and most fkk girls will look like as model if dressed as help girls.

unless you come here in carnival froget the old vibe of termas, it is just hte opinion of 1 week here.....more or less it is gone together help, believe it or not, but it is not only my opinion, yesterday with my friends we hit 3 termas and they confirmed the big change i saw last week comparing with 1 year ago.

[quote=jamaicanceo]--- i'll miss the restaurant "ta", where i picked up girls at r$200 for 2 orgasmos. but balcony will be the same for less....[/quote]

i hope for you, really and i am curious to know ho will be your opinion too.

what i think that they really do not understand, ( why they have problems to understand this so simple rule ? ) is that happy customer will repeat....when they get one customer they care more in how much time they can be back to balcony, where they do not pay entrance, than to give him nice time....imho.

Franco, is a solid guy, I always rent from him when I go to Rio. I've stayed in units #405 and #308 on the website.Unit #405 has a bed to die for! Website

[url]http://www.copacabanapt4rent.com/[/url]

It is best to contact Franco via his email for the best deals...email me for info.

Never a problem!

Enjoy!

Anyone know if this picture was taken in Help?

[url]http://www.latineuro.com/details.php?seeking=1&country=30&I3_x=23&I3_y=17&pageID=39[/url]

Does she look familiar to anyone?

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I answer here, cause in photo gallery it could be off topic, if we do not post photo.

30 minutes in fkk=sex machine? And +10 minutes in terma, where is the difference?

Balcony girl now try to stay not much more than 30 minutes, is it what? Second experience yesterday with balcony girl, more to follow.

Help girls often look much better dressed than naked and most fkk girls will look like as model if dressed as help girls.

Unless you come here in Carnival froget the old vibe of termas, it is just hte opinion of 1 week here. More or less it is gone together Help, believe it or not, but it is not only my opinion, yesterday with my friends we hit 3 termas and they confirmed the big change I saw last week comparing with 1 year ago.

I hope for you, really and I am curious to know ho will be your opinion too.

What I think that they really do not understand, (why they have problems to understand this so simple rule?) is that happy customer will repeat. When they get one customer they care more in how much time they can be back to Balcony, where they do not pay entrance, than to give him nice time. IMHO.[/QUOTE]Lukasek,

I noticed the change in the girls during my trip in Nov. 2009. Once the girls in the Copa termas had more class than the girls at Help before Help closed. In my last visit to Monte Carlo and Luomo, the girls behaved like Meia Pataca girls. Then at Solarium they charged too much in my opinion. But what I notice were girls in many termas, except 4x4, many girls were sitting with their arms crossed expected the customer to approach them. Another issue was the girls seem to be gossiping among themselves without interest in the customer. In the first day of visit termas my last visit I had one beer and walked out of MC, Luomo, Solarium and 502 without sessioning, because I had numbers of girls from past visits to termas, meia pataca, and TA. Plus the girls in these termas beg to much. When I am in Rio next week and a terma girl asks for a drink, I will no session with her because that makes the terma visit more expensive. Just find a girl who needs the session money and not needing to get drunk. They have their own money from clients. A girl who sessions well will be the girl to invite to your apartment at a later time.

[QUOTE=Papae Noel]Anyone know if this picture was taken in Help?

[url]http://www.latineuro.com/details.php?seeking=1&country=30&I3_x=23&I3_y=17&pageID=39[/url]

Does she look familiar to anyone?[/QUOTE]
I have one of those little blue disks as a souvenir.

Hi Jamaicanceo,

I TOTALLY agree about this:

-Once the girls in the Copa termas had more class
-Then at Solarium they charged too much in my opinion. (but at least is the best terma)
-Many girls were sitting with their arms crossed and gossiping among themselves without interest ( yes, totally boring attitude )
-When a terma girl asks for a drink, I will no session with her ( exception if refrigerante, but I understand your point )

Especially about t his:A girl who sessions well will be the girl to invite to your apartment at a later time.

I hope I will have a TLN-overnight at least once this holiday, but I am afraid I won't.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]The Monger Temple of Copacabana, aka "Help", being dismantled. I wonder how much did the sign sell for. I am sure someone bought hit for keepsake of their monger memories. But my friend who sent me this photo says he thinks the sign will be stored for a new location. Or maybe it will be displayed in the new museum. LOL! See photo attached.[/QUOTE]

Now that's a depressing picture, but thanks for sharing it. Know that many don't like Help, but it was a pretty unique Rio experience to go there to just soak up the atmosphere and see all the GDPs. Hopefully something similar will emerge soon, although Rio these days sounds more and more outside my price range...

A Brazilian asked me today why Help was so unique? I told him the truth. Guys who didn't have a prayer of scoring with women in their own country could come to Rio pretend they were in a regular nightclub and leave with a woman who would never have given them the time of day back home. Even if the economy improves, I do not think guys will come to Rio just to have sex. It was the fantasy they were after (and got). Hanging outside of Balcony just doesn't have the same feel. TA was big enough that guys could still get that fantasy feeling.

Was at MC this afternoon/evening and there were about 50 girls wondering where their next meal was coming from. It was so quiet you could hear a G-String drop. Keep in mind it was coupon (free admission with a 40 minute session day). One girl complained to me that guys don't want to take her to the room they just want to get her number and meet her later. She said they weren't interested in paying her very much either.

The termas has that same fantasy feel. Going into a bar and having sex with any girl there. Except now the cost (at MC anyway) is R$310 for 40 minutes.

[QUOTE=Papae Noel]Anyone know if this picture was taken in Help?

[url]http://www.latineuro.com/details.php?seeking=1&country=30&I3_x=23&I3_y=17&pageID=39[/url]

Does she look familiar to anyone?[/QUOTE]Definety take inside Help.

I don't know her though

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]The termas has that same fantasy feel. Going into a bar and having sex with any girl there. Except now the cost (at MC anyway) is R$310 for 40 minutes.[/QUOTE]R310 for 40 minutes is very upsetting.

Lukasek, Christopherd & Exec Talent (and others on the ground, reporting in Rio at the moment),

Just wanted to say thanks for the O' so very interesting reports and insights into this new P4P culture emerging in Rio. Great reporting, please keep the updates and the blow-by-blow (literally) coming.

Can any of you tell me if the economics of HELP closing is starting to be felt by the girls? And is the situation improving their attitudes towards giving better services or basically just getting worse?

Much Appreciated!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent].

Was at MC this afternoon/evening and there were about 50 girls wondering where their next meal was coming from. It was so quiet you could hear a G-String drop. Keep in mind it was coupon (free admission with a 40 minute session day). One girl complained to me that guys don't want to take her to the room they just want to get her number and meet her later. She said they weren't interested in paying her very much either.

[/QUOTE]

Thats pretty much my how I do it now, I learned it from the brasilian men. They dont pay full price, they meet up with the girls before/after work. Only difference is, I dont spend an hour kissing and pawing them, before I say that I wont be going to the room. I let them know within the first 10 minutes that I would rather get their number and meet up at my place.

The only terma girl at MC that I had a problem with, was the japenese girl, Sayuri. Unfortunately, all the idiots at Help over paid her,so she got real spoiled. She refused to leave Help for less than 400R! One day she called me and she offered to come to my place before she started working (My apartment was near MC), she wanted 300R! She refused to budge on the price, saying that if I took her at MC I would have to pay 300R!!


I offered her 175R , but she acted insulted! No matter how much I tried to explain to her "Listen you wouldn't get the full 300R from my bill at MC, your portion would only be 175! So why not just take the 175R from me?" I even offered to pay 200R because I planned on taking pics and filming the session,unfortunately,she wouldnt budge on the price.

[QUOTE=Bravo]The only terma girl at MC that I had a problem with, was the japenese girl, Sayuri.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad to hear that Sayuri is back at MC. Had a great session with that lithe minx during one of my trips last year. May make MC my first Termas to hit when I arrive (usually go to 4x4 first).

I don't understand why folks get so hung up on the prices, especially when you factor in the exchange rate. Brasil is still cheaper than the cost of P4P in the Western world. If you want to pay low rates for low quality then spend your time in SEA ..... plenty of cheap Charlies there and they are more than happy. Brazil isn't a budget destination and it hasn't been for quite some time.

If things cost a little more, spend a little more, and be happy. Life is too short to nickle & dime. Just my opinion.

- DSK

[QUOTE=Spidy]Can any of you tell me if the economics of HELP closing is starting to be felt by the girls? And is the situation improving their attitudes towards giving better services or basically just getting worse?[/QUOTE]

Apologies for using economic language, but it's funny and appropriate here. I think some people here argued that prices would come down due to the closure of Help, but I would expect the opposite. Help served as a marketplace where multiple buyers and sellers could openly compare prices. If you didn't like a price one girl gave you, you could easily go to another. Now, you will have to seek prices in a more fragmented marketplace. If you don't like one girl's price, you have to go to a different location at a different time to get a price quote.

[QUOTE=Bravo]The only terma girl at MC that I had a problem with, was the japenese girl, Sayuri. Unfortunately, all the idiots at Help over paid her,so she got real spoiled. She refused to leave Help for less than 400R! One day she called me and she offered to come to my place before she started working (My apartment was near MC), she wanted 300R! She refused to budge on the price, saying that if I took her at MC I would have to pay 300R!![/QUOTE]
It sounds like your only beef with Sayuri was on price. I saw her and thought she was great. When I was in Rio a couple of weeks ago, MC management said that she was "traveling," which I took as a worrisome sign.

There is a long talking about Help, but nobody posted photos how looks like now, so I took a walk for your curiosity ;)

[QUOTE=Spidy]...Can any of you tell me if the economics of HELP closing is starting to be felt by the girls? And is the situation improving their attitudes towards giving better services or basically just getting worse?...![/QUOTE]

Well, I spoke with Help girl at Balcony one week ago, she is not my type,but very friendly and I told her immediately I will not take her, but we became "friends", every night we speak, she is very friendly and good chance to me to kill the time out there for the last beer before to go to sleep, also to practice my portuguese ;)

She said it is very hard now, many girls almost do not work at all, she also said some are selling their expensive handbags and shoes for good prices, but not many girls have money to buy or are in mood to buy fashion clothes and etc. so far as they have to pay rent and food.

Interesting, when I asked her, how did started to work as GdP ? She said, brazilian guys want nothing more than fuck, she went many times to discos or to bars, when she was not a hooker and she was approached by brazilian guys that just asked her, come to my apt, let's have sex....almost no conversation, no romance and etc, so she thought, at least that's waht she told me, why I should open my legs with a local that next morning leave forever ? I decided to open my legs with gringo, I started to earn money and have much better time, sometimes a bit of romance too.

If I just have to have sex, let's at least get some money.....

Funny as I mentioned I go to termas and she asked me tons of questions about prices, if the girls there are so nice, if they work....how the hookers in Europe and what about the price there....we are a sort of friends and every night I asked if she wants something to drink and she refuses.

She is not my type, but definetely good person.

I am almost thinking to ask her if she agrees to go one night to normal disco together, I will pay her entrance and drinks, if she will intruduce me to girls and help me to collects phone numbers :D

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick]

I don't understand why folks get so hung up on the prices, especially when you factor in the exchange rate. Brasil is still cheaper than the cost of P4P in the Western world. If you want to pay low rates for low quality then spend your time in SEA ..... plenty of cheap Charlies there and they are more than happy. Brazil isn't a budget destination and it hasn't beeen for quite some time.

If things cost a little more, spend a little more, and be happy. Life is too short to nickle & dime. Just my opinion.

- DSK[/QUOTE]

DSK, If you have the economic means to pay a girl 500-700R for TLN, then I am happy for you. I wish I could do that too, but unfortunately, I cant. I am in a situation where I can only afford to pay what I believe is reasonable and fair market value.

If you can afford to pay triple my price, more power to you! I am not wealthy, but I would hope that you would want me to have fun in brasil, just like I hope you have a ball too!

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man]It sounds like your only beef with Sayuri was on price. I saw her and thought she was great. When I was in Rio a couple of weeks ago, MC management said that she was "traveling," which I took as a worrisome sign.[/QUOTE]

Sayuri is sexual beast in the bedroom!! I have fucked her a number of times at 4x4. I am not trying to talk shit about her at all because I think she is really nice person. We couldnt come to an agreement over the price, but I dont hold it against her at all, if she isnt willing to take my 200R, there are hundreds who will. We are still cool with each other and she gives me hugs and kisses when I see her.

[QUOTE=Bravo]DSK, If you have the economic means to pay a girl 500-700R for TLN, then I am happy for you. I wish I could do that too, but unfortunately, I cant. I am in a situation where I can only afford to pay what I believe is reasonable and fair market value.

If you can afford to pay triple my price, more power to you! I am not wealthy, but I would hope that you would want me to have fun in brasil, just like I hope you have a ball too![/QUOTE]

Sex services is on of the few services where paying more does not mean you are "getting more". I done the 400TLN thing, and the 1/reais per minute thing. Usually, I have more fun with the cheaper spots vs. the top spots/women becuase I find the cheaper ones are usaully more out to please.

The only really good experinace I've had paying 350r was a girl that chased me for 3 nights in help. On my last night, I finally gave in a she was a blast! But I think this only happened becuase she knew she had to work for the 350r.

The most disappointing fuck I ever had in Rio came from a girl that I paid 300r too. Just had to have her upon seeing her. She was fine; but there was no chemistry, and she was clearly not interested in my satisfaction.

You live and learn: paying more doesn't always mean you are getting more!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]A Brazilian asked me today why Help was so unique? I told him the truth. Guys who didn't have a prayer of scoring with women in their own country could come to Rio pretend they were in a regular nightclub and leave with a woman who would never have given them the time of day back home. Even if the economy improves, I do not think guys will come to Rio just to have sex. It was the fantasy they were after (and got). Hanging outside of Balcony just doesn't have the same feel. TA was big enough that guys could still get that fantasy feeling.[/quote]Was at MC this afternoon/evening and there were about 50 girls wondering where their next meal was coming from. It was so quiet you could hear a G-String drop. Keep in mind it was coupon (free admission with a 40 minute session day). One girl complained to me that guys don't want to take her to the room they just want to get her number and meet her later. She said they weren't interested in paying her very much either.

There is some truth to that but not 100 percent true because help's quality was poor so nobodies fantasy is to be with ugly women.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
...

I am almost thinking to ask her if she agrees to go one night to normal disco together, I will pay her entrance and drinks, if she will intruduce me to girls and help me to collects phone numbers :D[/QUOTE]
[b]Lukasek[/b], if you see her again, ask her about "The Week" (pronouced as "The Wik"). It's a nightclub located in Centro that a couple of GDP's that I know like to go to.

I haven't really found any reviews on it in this forum (well, the word "week" is not a very user-friendly string to use in searching this board).
[url]http://www.theweek.com.br/2008/galeria_rj.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Azn Safado][b]Lukasek[/b], if you see her again, ask her about "The Week" (pronouced as "The Wik"). It's a nightclub located in Centro that a couple of GDP's that I know like to go to.

I haven't really found any reviews on it in this forum (well, the word "week" is not a very user-friendly string to use in searching this board).
[url]http://www.theweek.com.br/2008/galeria_rj.php[/url][/QUOTE]

On second thought, I just checked Wikipedia and it said it's Rio's biggest gay club. Am I on the right message board here? Ha.

No wonder the GDP's like to go there - they won't get hit on I guess. Oh well, it can be a conversation topic for your next encounter with her anyway. But surely with 22,000 square feet of space there has to be a lot of straight girls there.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]There is a long talking about Help, but nobody posted photos how looks like now, so I took a walk for your curiosity.[/QUOTE]On Sunday, they had a construction wall halfway built around the club's front. Brazilian music motiffs on it.

[QUOTE=Azn Safado][b]Lukasek[/b], if you see her again, ask her about "The Week" (pronouced as "The Wik")....][/QUOTE]


Azn Safado,

I will do it, if I remember correctly even 00 some days is gays-lesbian disco, right ? In which days ?

She told me in Lapa 40 grados is better disco than the Rio Scenarium, but I have no idea where it is and if it is really good.

[QUOTE=Bravo]DSK, If you have the economic means to pay a girl 500-700R for TLN, then I am happy for you. I wish I could do that too, but unfortunately, I cant. I am in a situation where I can only afford to pay what I believe is reasonable and fair market value.

If you can afford to pay triple my price, more power to you! I am not wealthy, but I would hope that you would want me to have fun in brasil, just like I hope you have a ball too![/QUOTE]


Sure. I wish every male the right to bang hot women and have great sex. But it doesn´t change the fact that Brazil isn´t a good place to think you can still hook up with a smoking babe and spend all night with her for less than US$100. If you haven´t noticed, Brazil is becoming more developed. It´s not a third world country and more importantly Brazilian people have to grapple with inflation, ie. everything there is getting MORE EXPENSIVE as opposed to staying the same price & forget about it getting cheaper. 150 Reais doesn´t go as far as it used to, so they have to charge a little more every time. Not so different than the USA - how much less can US$100 buy me this year compared to 10 years ago? But I digress.

The simple fact is that though I don´t consider myself to be weathly, I do have a lot of disposable income & I don´t like to waste too much time haggling with a hottie when the difference between 150 Reais and 300 Reais doesn´t mean much to me after factoring in the exchange rate. That´s just me. I´ve had great experiences for relatively low costs just as well I have had great experiences while dropping $1,000 Reais. It´s just money .... but the experiences are priceless.

Actually I just arrived in Rio this morning. It is hotter than a Mexican´s lunch down here (approx. 40 degrees celsius). Looking forward to hitting the beaches.

- DSK

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]There is some truth to that but not 100 percent true because help's quality was poor so nobodies fantasy is to be with ugly women.[/QUOTE]

I´m with you on that one. I hope they disinfect that building before transforming it into a museum.

- DSK

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick]Sure. I wish every male the right to bang hot women and have great sex. But it doesn't change the fact that Brazil isn't a good place to think you can still hook up with a smoking babe and spend all night with her for less than US$100. If you haven't noticed, Brazil is becoming more developed. It's not a third world country and more importantly Brazilian people have to grapple with inflation, ie. Everything there is getting MORE EXPENSIVE as opposed to staying the same price & forget about it getting cheaper. 150 Reais doesn't go as far as it used to, so they have to charge a little more every time. Not so different than the USA. How much less can US$100 buy me this year compared to 10 years ago? But I digress.

The simple fact is that though I don't consider myself to be weathly, I do have a lot of disposable income & I don't like to waste too much time haggling with a hottie when the difference between 150 Reais and 300 Reais doesn't mean much to me after factoring in the exchange rate. That's just me. I've had great experiences for relatively low costs just as well I have had great experiences while dropping $1, 000 Reais. It's just money. But the experiences are priceless.

Actually I just arrived in Rio this morning. It is hotter than a Mexican's lunch down here (approx. 40 degrees celsius). Looking forward to hitting the beaches.

DSK[/QUOTE]I hear what you're saying but I def think your type of thinking is one of the reasons why these girls get away with some of their crazy pricing demands. 1000r? That's insane, but hey that's you and you can do as you please. Problem is not everybody has a lot of disposable income and not everybody feels like "it's just money" so when you drive the price of ass up you basically make it harder for everybody else who doesn't share your "its just money" feelings. I'm sure you've heard this before and theres not much I can say to change your mind. I just hope that your taste in women is not anything like mine.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Azn Safado,

I will do it, if I remember correctly even 00 some days is gays-lesbian disco, right ? In which days ?

She told me in Lapa 40 grados is better disco than the Rio Scenarium, but I have no idea where it is and if it is really good.[/QUOTE]

Yes Club00 is gay-night on some nights, but I don't know which night. I went on a Saturday night, and it was a straight crowd, sprinkled in with some gays.

The thing about The Week is it only runs as a disco on Saturday nights as far as I know, so it will be gay night. It could work in your favor though, as you might be one of the few straight guys there and can chat it up with the ladies where their guard might be down.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Azn Safado,

I will do it, if I remember correctly even 00 some days is gays-lesbian disco, right ? In which days ?

[/QUOTE]

Sunday is one such night

gents,
any info on options for tln now (post-helpee).
balcony? barbarella? ??
peace.
b.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]A Brazilian asked me today why Help was so unique? I told him the truth. Guys who didn't have a prayer of scoring with women in their own country could come to Rio pretend they were in a regular nightclub and leave with a woman who would never have given them the time of day back home. Even if the economy improves, I do not think guys will come to Rio just to have sex. It was the fantasy they were after (and got). Hanging outside of Balcony just doesn't have the same feel. TA was big enough that guys could still get that fantasy feeling.[/QUOTE]Well, I can't speak for other guys but from what I saw in front of Help and inside it, you'd have to be pretty delusional to able to "pretend they were in a regular nightclub."

I would be the first to admit that I'm no Don Juan but it seemed to me most of the guys there also didn't think it was their looks and charms that was convincing the girls to go off with them, LOL!

Fantasy is nice, I like fantasy. But I also like reality. Particularly the reality of a good sex session at a reasonable price with a young pretty girl (who's a bit poor and needs my money) with little bullshit and courtship involved. I really like that reality!

[QUOTE]Was at MC this afternoon/evening and there were about 50 girls wondering where their next meal was coming from. It was so quiet you could hear a G-String drop.[/QUOTE]Now that's a hilarious line!

[QUOTE]The termas has that same fantasy feel. Going into a bar and having sex with any girl there.[/QUOTE]I do agree with you here that the termas is more like a fantasy world. It's a lot of fun and I enjoy it, but you've got to be crazy to think these girls really feel anything for you once you step out of the venue. Heck, the notion of one of these chicks "falling for me" scares me more than lifts my ego!

look, nothing has changed in the ternas (except prices). you just need to understand rio. this is jan. and a lot of people in rio go on vacation. i reckon that most of the people in termas either live in rio or come there on business. when people are on vacation, you can't have meetings so business travel to rio between dec. and canaval is always way down. no offense to the people on this board, but i just don't think the number of sex tourists is that big in the termas. help was another story.

let me assure you, there are still beautiful girls in the termas with even more beautiful attitudes. if you can't have fun in a quiet terma, try a little harder. think about your job. do you like it when nothing is happening? same with the girls, so go in and make it happen. they will love you for it.

as an example, i went to l during a big futball match and i was the only guy in the place. the girls were sitting around, legs draped on each other, cuddling like a bunch of cats. almost licking each other. for the first time i understood where 'cat house' came from. i spied a couple of new faces, ordered a bottle of wine and sat between them. they immediately warmed up and came alive. i shared the wine, bought a few drinks and i was king of the hill. i had an excptional session and when i came back out, after a few minutes i was double teamed by carolina and someone else i forget and they wanted tequila shots. how could i resist?

up to you but a quiet terma can be a blast.

i am sure the economy and higher prices also have an effect but people will get used to it.

Just a couple of observations:

Meia Pattaca: Empty most of yesterday. I haven't eaten there for years, but I always rent an apartment near by. At 2 p.m., (14:00) there was not one customer there, but 6 waiters in white standing around. In the evening, a couple of Brazilian families eating a late dinner. Not one GDP or potential customer. Clearly the days of this location as "Meia Putteria" are over. (Is Hooker Beach next on the death knoll?)

Loumo: Was open yesterday, despite the religious holiday. Apparently, based upon conversation with other guys, everywhere else was closed, ie: MC, Centaurus, etc. Talked to Bia who said that she believes that the American tourist volume is way down, mostly due to the devaluation of the dollar compared to the real. Same thing for most of Europe, except for the Italians. (Don't know why it wouldn't effect them, thought they used Euro's too!) Still a slow night, but the girls were friendly and fun. A smile and a fun attitude and the place comes alive. If you sit there quietly and don't interact, it could be pretty dull.

As to Non-Pros: A friend with NO Portuguese and first time in Brasil, but no lack of courage, has been walking up to and talking to girls in the street all the time. A couple of joggers, a girl looking in a store window, etc. Of about 10, only one wouldn't talk to him and give him a telephone number. We'll see how well the later rendezvous work, but surely suggests that a measure of confidence (translated: no fear of rejection) is the most important ingredient in meeting girls on the street. Oh, and these were clerks, accountant, female taxi driver, etc. Not GDP, or at least not full time.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]Look, nothing has changed in the ternas (except prices)...

Let me assure you, there are still beautiful girls in the termas with even more beautiful attitudes.,,,so go in and make it happen. They will love you for it.

I spied a couple of new faces, ordered a bottle of wine and sat between them. They immediately warmed up and came alive....[/QUOTE]

SlimHoleDrill,

I was here exactly one year ago and despite the prices a lot changed.

Girls that ask how is in the other termas and if the girls there work is nothing never happens to me last year.

I think girls and not me or us, are depressing.

My idea of terma is where girls make me come alive, cause I pay them, not they me.

Actually i do not need to somebody makes me come alive, but I do not need boring girls with crossed arms around me at these prices only because they have pussy, I do not need pussy to live and even less I need terma with so low vibe.


[QUOTE=Delecti]...Still a slow night, but the girls were friendly and fun. A smile and a fun attitude and the place comes alive....[/QUOTE]

Delecti,

I agree, but yesterday was my third times in 10 days at luomo, the other two times it was pretty dead, yesterday they was lucky, as with the other places closed all the customers met in only one terma, from today it will be different again at luomo as the few customers, much less than one year before, will spread out in all the termas.

[QUOTE=Delecti]Meia Pattaca: Empty most of yesterday. I haven't eaten there for years, but I always rent an apartment near by. At 2 p.m., (14:00) there was not one customer there, but 6 waiters in white standing around. In the evening, a couple of Brazilian families eating a late dinner. Not one GDP or potential customer. Clearly the days of this location as "Meia Putteria" are over. (Is Hooker Beach next on the death knoll?).[/QUOTE]Well, it WAS a holiday, after all, and a lot of people headed for the hills.

[QUOTE=Delecti]
As to Non-Pros: A friend with NO Portuguese and first time in Brasil, but no lack of courage, has been walking up to and talking to girls in the street all the time. A couple of joggers, a girl looking in a store window, etc. Of about 10, only one wouldn't talk to him and give him a telephone number. We'll see how well the later rendezvous work, but surely suggests that a measure of confidence (translated: no fear of rejection) is the most important ingredient in meeting girls on the street. Oh, and these were clerks, accountant, female taxi driver, etc. Not GDP, or at least not full time.[/QUOTE]

My wingman used to do this, he was brilliant at it. We would mostly work the subways and the street but also Maracana. He had zero Porto as well but many of the educated girls would know a smattering of English. When he ran out of chat I´d take over and vice versa. We used to challenge each other to chat up the most attractive, non-chat-up-able girls we could see. We mostly got phone numbers, never an outright rejection.

Another tactic is similar to the one mentioned by Lukasek - we´d pay them into a nightclub. Not just to collect phone numbers - but to use them as bait. Especially good if they are very hot looking but maybe not up for it the first night. Then we´d put them in a taxi and go back in the club.

Conc.132 Niteroi

20R entrance inc 4 choppe
1hr 190R.
Offered A enthusiastically without it being requested. Opening time last Tuesday was 8pm, a little later than I remember it before. I asked what time they shut - no fixed time, but maybe around 2am. Rooms not as cold as 4x4. Optional lockers and normal clothes in the lounges/bars/dance area. She got a bit aggreived that I wasn´t too bothered about accepting her phone number so I took it anyway.

On the LatinEuro site, select BR1328 and there is a pic of a girl inside Help, I believe. Slimtower says it's definitely inside Help. Anyone know her?

I posted the link in a previous post - now that link takes you to a different girl.

[quote=slimholedrill]look, nothing has changed in the ternas (except prices). you just need to understand rio. this is jan. and a lot of people in rio go on vacation. i reckon that most of the people in termas either live in rio or come there on business. when people are on vacation, you can't have meetings so business travel to rio between dec. and canaval is always way down. no offense to the people on this board, but i just don't think the number of sex tourists is that big in the termas. help was another story.

let me assure you, there are still beautiful girls in the termas with even more beautiful attitudes. if you can't have fun in a quiet terma, try a little harder. think about your job. do you like it when nothing is happening? same with the girls, so go in and make it happen. they will love you for it.

as an example, i went to l during a big futball match and i was the only guy in the place. the girls were sitting around, legs draped on each other, cuddling like a bunch of cats. almost licking each other. for the first time i understood where 'cat house' came from. i spied a couple of new faces, ordered a bottle of wine and sat between them. they immediately warmed up and came alive. i shared the wine, bought a few drinks and i was king of the hill. i had an excptional session and when i came back out, after a few minutes i was double teamed by carolina and someone else i forget and they wanted tequila shots. how could i resist?

up to you but a quiet terma can be a blast.

i am sure the economy and higher prices also have an effect but people will get used to it.[/quote]i agree with you slim. but when i was a young salesman, i was only good as my last sale. if you're selling tires and people are walking into the shop and there are more ambitious salesman than i then he will get the sale. however, if a customer walls into the business and no on approaches and makes him comfortable until some one is able to service him then he will leave and go where they want his business. terma girls are selling sex, so they need to act like they want a customer to spend their money. i'm not going to kiss someone's ass and pay too. with that attitude a salesman will starve, and the same for gdp.

Check always your bill, you can find not nice surprise and when they correct it immediately and they say nothing, it is clear they plan in advance to fuck you, cause most of gringos pay without check the bill and they know it....

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Check always your bill, you can find not nice surprise and when they correct it immediately and they say nothing, it is clear they plan in advance to fuck you, cause most of gringos pay without check the bill and they know it....[/QUOTE]


Tell me about it, receptionist got mad at me when I pointed out my bill was incorrect several times, had to call the manager because she couldn't figure it out. Here's a thought, if they try to pad your bill, dispute some of the legitimate charges, maybe that will cause them to have second thoughts about adding some extra stuff.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]SlimHoleDrill,

I was here exactly one year ago and despite the prices a lot changed.

Girls that ask how is in the other termas and if the girls there work is nothing never happens to me last year.

I think girls and not me or us, are depressing.

My idea of terma is where girls make me come alive, cause I pay them, not they me.

Actually i do not need to somebody makes me come alive, but I do not need boring girls with crossed arms around me at these prices only because they have pussy, I do not need pussy to live and even less I need terma with so low vibe.




Delecti,

I agree, but yesterday was my third times in 10 days at luomo, the other two times it was pretty dead, yesterday they was lucky, as with the other places closed all the customers met in only one terma, from today it will be different again at luomo as the few customers, much less than one year before, will spread out in all the termas.[/QUOTE]

Hey, no problem. It's all just IMHO. YMMV. If you make visits to Rio, you will undoubtedly find conditions different, sometimes better for you, sometimes worse. Sorry it seems not to be working very well for you this time. It can be pretty frustrating if your time is limited and your expectations are not being fulfilled. If you like company you can try 22. But it is down market and usually not (m)any gringos. There should be other guys hanging around so that the place is 'rocking' as much as it ever is. On th other end of the economic scale, probably Centauras will have some activity.

Anyway, the girls always complain when it gets slow. I was only sharing one way to deal with that. I personally don't like it so much when the places are packed. But a moderate amount of activity is nice. I have decided I have no control over this aspect and that I will have fun regardless. To each his own. And as I said, it's all IMHO and YMMV.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Check always your bill, you can find not nice surprise and when they correct it immediately and they say nothing, it is clear they plan in advance to fuck you, cause most of gringos pay without check the bill and they know it....[/QUOTE]
I don't think they do it on purpose. That would be bad for business. They argue with you because the system is automated so how can there be a mistake. LOL. Also because guys get drunk and forget what they did. But definitely check carefully because mistakes do happen. And if you are sure, stay calm but stand your ground.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]I don't think they do it on purpose. That would be bad for business. They argue with you because the system is automated so how can there be a mistake. LOL. Also because guys get drunk and forget what they did. But definitely check carefully because mistakes do happen. And if you are sure, stay calm but stand your ground.[/QUOTE]


Some places could care less if you complain. I remember about 2 years ago MC had a big problem with drinks being on monger's bills. They had bills where they supposedly ordered 10 red bulls and vodka or 10 tequilas. When the guy would b*tched up a storm, they would knock like 3 drinks off the bill!!!


I let it be known as soon as I stepped foot in the place. When I came around the corner, the manager was standing right there. I immediately said "I hope you guys got your computer fixed. You guys are getting bad reputation on the internet for adding drinks to american's bills and them forcing them to pay when they leave! Did you resolve that problems yet?"

He just looked at me and said "oh yes, yes! We took care of that, that doesnt happen anymore!" One of the few times that mentioning the internet worked out for me.

[QUOTE=Bravo]
I let it be known as soon as I stepped foot in the place. When I came around the corner, the manager was standing right there. I immediately said "I hope you guys got your computer fixed. You guys are getting bad reputation on the internet for adding drinks to american's bills and them forcing them to pay when they leave! Did you resolve that problems yet?"

He just looked at me and said "oh yes, yes! We took care of that, that doesnt happen anymore!" [/QUOTE]

Great tactics. Pre-empting any aggro. Bitching afterwards has rarely got me anywhere. I´d like to think it was accidental - I would always suggest it was - as you did - so they can save face as well as ´correct´it. I love the expression on guys faces when they are adding up bills - often putting little numbers in a box on a big sheet. Creative stuff - a bit like sudoko only with many more than one right answer . . .

Treat it as a game. One you gonna win but without ripping the other guy´s throat out. The object is to get your money´s worth and a fair deal - not spill blood lol. He´s probably just been told to get away with it if he can, but not to the extent of pissing people off. If people act pissed off big time afterwards there´s not exactly that much to gain by giving them money back.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Some places could care less if you complain. I remember about 2 years ago MC had a big problem with drinks being on monger's bills. They had bills where they supposedly ordered 10 red bulls and vodka or 10 tequilas. When the guy would b*tched up a storm, they would knock like 3 drinks off the bill!!!


I let it be known as soon as I stepped foot in the place. When I came around the corner, the manager was standing right there. I immediately said "I hope you guys got your computer fixed. You guys are getting bad reputation on the internet for adding drinks to american's bills and them forcing them to pay when they leave! Did you resolve that problems yet?"

He just looked at me and said "oh yes, yes! We took care of that, that doesnt happen anymore!" One of the few times that mentioning the internet worked out for me.[/QUOTE]
I used to see a girl who worked at Centaurus. One night they tried to charge me for 16 caipirinhas. They called her to the front desk which was a mistake. She weighted all of 98 lbs and although we had not had 16 she had had a few. They expected her to back them up but instead she really went off on them. No one asked for a tip after that.

Anyone know what the current entrance fee (or the fee to hang out, listen to music and gather phone numbers) at Centaurus? It was R$120.

BTW, never have had drinks added to my bill at MC and at L'uomo checkout on several occasions I have had to tell them that they actually missed a few drinks.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]He´s probably just been told to get away with it if he can, but not to the extent of pissing people off. If people act pissed off big time afterwards there´s not exactly that much to gain by giving them money back.[/QUOTE]I do not think they pad bills intentionally. Often bills do not have drinks on them that I ordered. I think they just make mistakes and put the wrong number down. It is easy to do.

[QUOTE=Edward M]I do not think they pad bills intentionally. Often bills do not have drinks on them that I ordered. I think they just make mistakes and put the wrong number down. It is easy to do.[/QUOTE]
Probably half the time the bartender glances at your key number and with the dim lighting, sees a different number. They could probably use the swipe-card technology that Nuth Lounge uses to better account for drinks.

[QUOTE=Azn Safado]Yes Club00 is gay-night on some nights, but I don't know which night. I went on a Saturday night, and it was a straight crowd, sprinkled in with some gays.

The thing about The Week is it only runs as a disco on Saturday nights as far as I know, so it will be gay night. It could work in your favor though, as you might be one of the few straight guys there and can chat it up with the ladies where their guard might be down.[/QUOTE]

If you are going to ask the girls about The Week, they pronounce it "Day Weekie"... The first time I heard about it I got stuck next to a gay guy from Miami to GIG, he told me that he goes with 6 girls, they love him because he's gay and pays for everything and that they would never touch me.... way too high priced but they love to go there... Sat night its "open" and a "gay-friendly" club... Friday is from what I hear more of a "closed" party, I went with a bunch of termas girls celebrating the bday of their manager and it was batshit crazy unbelievable... I would take a girl in the post Help era there just to see how many girls there are that are actually available and ready... the girls I asked about Sat night there say there are a lot of gay guys though.. they don't even try to kiss them when dancing... if you have been to enough BRazilian clubs then you know that means probably more gay guys than you want to be there because these girls will kiss anything that moves... girls love the place though... if you even bring it up they will get excited... it's in Praca Maua... a bit different than Florida but not too far... if anything it's a good conversation piece in the termas and places like Barbarellas... maybe I'll get there again in March when I return and post ...

[QUOTE=Icyhoteric]If you are going to ask the girls about The Week, they pronounce it "Day Weekie". The first time I heard about it I got stuck next to a gay guy from Miami to GIG, he told me that he goes with 6 girls, they love him because he's gay and pays for everything and that they would never touch me. Way too high priced but they love to go there. Sat night its "open" and a "gay-friendly" club. Friday is from what I hear more of a "closed" party, I went with a bunch of termas girls celebrating the bday of their manager and it was batshit crazy unbelievable. I would take a girl in the post Help era there just to see how many girls there are that are actually available and ready. The girls I asked about Sat night there say there are a lot of gay guys though. They don't even try to kiss them when dancing. If you have been to enough BRazilian clubs then you know that means probably more gay guys than you want to be there because these girls will kiss anything that moves. Girls love the place though. If you even bring it up they will get excited. It's in Praca Maua. A bit different than Florida but not too far. If anything it's a good conversation piece in the termas and places like Barbarellas. Maybe I'll get there again in March when I return and post.[/QUOTE]So your saying you can pick up nice looking girls in there because there are so many gaybirds there?

I've seen mistakes on virtually every bill. But I am convinced it is not thievery, it is just poor record keeping. There is a reason that the waiters and bartenders are not allowed to keep the tabs; their math skills aren't very good. So there is always a separate cashier.

At Balcony, I was with a friend that left, of course I picked up his tab for the table. When I specifically ordered one more beer, waiter first brought two. When he realized his mistake, he took one back, unopened. But they were both on my bill. But also quickly corrected.

A Brazilian sitting next to me also had an extra drink on her bill. Remember, drinks get billed normally based upon which table you are at. If someone standing near your table orders a drink, it can easily be billed to your tab. I believe that they just aren't that meticulous at keeping track of it all. But I have never had a problem getting it corrected.

ps: also mistakes in Luomo and 4x4 this week, all promptly corrected.

It seems you guys are all sure the mistakes are accidentally cause brazilians are not good in math.....so why when there is a mistake in the bill in 99% of cases you are gonna to pay more and not less ???

If they are really ACCIDENTAL you have 50% of chance to pay more or less, but in 3 times in Rio 4 times I found more drinks that I drunk and not one time I found less......think about it.....

Interesting NYT report on the crime fight in Rio.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/world/americas/17rio.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Lukasek]It seems you guys are all sure the mistakes are accidentally cause brazilians are not good in math.....so why when there is a mistake in the bill in 99% of cases you are gonna to pay more and not less ???

If they are really ACCIDENTAL you have 50% of chance to pay more or less, but in 3 times in Rio 4 times I found more drinks that I drunk and not one time I found less......think about it.....[/QUOTE]Well it is certainly possible that errors are intentional but that has not been my experience. Only going off of memory I would say the times I was charged an extra drink are about the same as the times I was not charged for a drink. Other times a beer will be charged as a suco so I think it is often just simple human error. Of course I do not usually drink much so I would notice an extra drink out of 4. It is possible that the padding is done on a tab of 20 drinks but I have no anecdotal evidence to support this.

Also, I look to motivation. By adding drinks the bartender only gets a share of 10% of that. Sure it could add up but it would take a lot of drinks to earn him/her significant money.

If management is behind this conspiracy, perhaps it depends on the type of customer. I do not buy many drinks but I buy a lot of sessions. It would not pay to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. Also, since I am not "pissed" I will more easily spot errors than someone who is falling down drunk.

Another thing to consider. Girls can order drinks without your key. They just tell the bartender your number. That is an accident (or robbery) waiting to happen. I see at 4x4 now they scan a barcode for a session. Maybe the bars will go to this system soon which should eliminate a lot of errors.

What I have seen often, and makes a direct impact, is reception girls short-changing on bills. I have even seen them quote a higher number than is on there. That is saying, "570" when the bill is 566.

Not new news but an interesting article none the less:

[url]http://www.brazzilmag.com/component/content/article/81-january-2010/11662-it-was-a-long-goodbye-but-help-rios-sex-temple-is-closed.html[/url]

Good comments by our friend Thad after the article as usual.

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]So your saying you can pick up nice looking girls in there because there are so many gaybirds there?[/QUOTE]

I don't know... I went there on a Friday night, I'll probably go one Satruday night with a few girls .... maybe... we'll see what options are around in the next few years...

While touring the sites and meeting old friends (and making new ones), I must say that I like the changes I´ve seen. I witnessed the dry husk of the former HELP discoteca now boarded over and covered by a nice mural. Have had plenty of opportunities to utilize the new General Osorio/Ipanema metro stop; great new addition to the metro and it certainly helps getting from Ipanema through to the Zona Norte more expediant. They completely revamped the upstairs boate at 4X4, it´s much smaller now but it has a new-age look to it. Unfortunately it is just as devoid of garotas as it was before. At least they added more rooms for play. Also, the interior of 4X4 has a new paint job. The new lounge at L'uomo is much smaller than it used to be as well .... it´s no longer a good spot to lay around with a mulher and pass some quality time. This is the only change that I don´t really care for.

For guys who like ladies on the slim side (I personally prefer skinny chicks) the best Termas I´ve seen on this trip are 1) Solarium, 2) L'uomo, & 3) Termas 65. Those places have at least a handful of lean gals. I met a fellow monger who says the quality of women at Centaurus is pretty good. He has tastes similar to mine and, like me, he prefers ''chicas magras''. But since I refuse to go to Centaurus I won't be able to verify it. 4X4 & Monte Carlo mostly have a lot of ''thick'' chicks.

On a side note, I visited a farmacia to buy some bandaids and the guy at the desk asked me if I wanted to get some viagra. He handed me a box with the name ''Vegamed'' on it. 4 generic viagra pills for approx. R$64. Not a bad deal I reckon. Said no thanks, but if I should need some later at least I now know where to go.

''O tempora, O mores''
- DSK

Next to Balcony is a place called Doce Dita, upstairs small, but seems as if
Help girls are there, 30 reals gets you two drinks, hear they have rooms, only
show on the Beach now.

Also has rooms (2) as they are. Not very private and only pullout vinyl couches. The club norm of R$30 for two drinks. Pole dances and a lesbian show. Some decent looking girls. Right around the corner from Balcony on Duvier.

Hi guys,

Could you tell me if the area around Miguel Lemos street has become safer since the closure of Help.

I have rented an apartment at No. 8 Miguel Lemos Street from Saturday 27 February to Sunday, March 7.

Are garotas still on Otheon beach?

Well guys how are you ?

I was sick, throat pain and fever for couple of days, I moved to hotel...I should write a report about this.....and nothing nice to report here.

5 days with no sex at all, 2-3 days sick, then I wanted a real great girl.

Montecarlo was shitty dead on sunday and do not tell me, sunday is sunday, when I went there there were 5 girls and 12 men !
Then arrived 5 or 6 more girls, but it was really depressing atmosphere, the same old story of girl yawning, crossed arms or....too pushy that ask directly do you want sex or no ? Funny enough when at 23:05 there were about 15 men, the dj said the last time to go to bedroom will be 23:20, no later.
Some were talking with a girl as me, but then I thought, who cares ? Now that it is quite good crowded,with customers, they hurry up to close ?
The sad and bad vibe of girls do not help me to decide to go to bedroom with average girl and I am not gonna to offer tons of drinks to make come alive the girls. Entrance and couple of drinks for me and it is about 50 euro, more than enough if you consider 50 euro is 30 minutes of dfk,owo,daty in FKK....

Then to Solarium and it was not on sunday, me and my 2 friends, we all left about after 3 hours with no sex at all, my friend also paid drinks to more than one girl, more to curious to see what will happen. ( her bill was close to 250 reais just for entrance and drinks ).
Well more than one girl neither said thanks for a drink, some others drunk it fast and asked for another one, lets say to see how they behave, in so bitcchy attitude, was the most funny thing to do there.
Big problem of solarium, a bit too expensive price with 320 reais 40 minutes hour and 420 reais 1 hour.....last girl I banged there total bill was 480 and something, so 200 euro and as 4 girls in FKK....
Also with only 6 cabine (40 minutes) and one suite (1 hour), you can end to wait a lot to get a free cabine and if you pay for one hour, they try to convince you to go to cabine, much smaller, for the same price.
Solarium is surely working a much more than the other termas, but for me it will not last too much....

So we left and I decided to go to Centaurus....but this it will deserve another specific report.....I go to the beach, the only thing that did not get worst from last year......oh Balcony ? Yesterday too much young kids asking non stop for money.....think all the kids you got in front of help are all the time around balcony.....and you stand up there....

Cheers guys

[QUOTE=Math92]Hi guys,

Could you tell me if the area around Miguel Lemos street has become safer since the closure of Help.

I have rented an apartment at No. 8 Miguel Lemos Street from Saturday 27 February to Sunday, March 7.

Are garotas still on Otheon beach?[/QUOTE]

Math92,

I would say yes, there are much less gringo, so much less money walking there.

I am almost every second day at the beach in front of rio othon, but I do not see much girls there and the same in fron of caesar park post 9 in ipa.

This place opens and shuts faster than knicker elastic, but if you are passing thru saara . . .

Big wide stairs, quite grand, and a mirror facing you at the top. It really could be a beautiful place. But at the moment it is 1R a minute starting at 10R for 10mins. Advertises as open from 9am to 10pm but there were only two women on when I looked in this afternoon.

I now have a nice white hat

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Well guys how are you ?

I was sick, throat pain and fever for couple of days, I moved to hotel...I should write a report about this.....and nothing nice to report here.

5 days with no sex at all, 2-3 days sick, then I wanted a real great girl.

Montecarlo was shitty dead on sunday and do not tell me, sunday is sunday, when I went there there were 5 girls and 12 men !
Then arrived 5 or 6 more girls, but it was really depressing atmosphere, the same old story of girl yawning, crossed arms or....too pushy that ask directly do you want sex or no ? Funny enough when at 23:05 there were about 15 men, the dj said the last time to go to bedroom will be 23:20, no later.
Some were talking with a girl as me, but then I thought, who cares ? Now that it is quite good crowded,with customers, they hurry up to close ?
The sad and bad vibe of girls do not help me to decide to go to bedroom with average girl and I am not gonna to offer tons of drinks to make come alive the girls. Entrance and couple of drinks for me and it is about 50 euro, more than enough if you consider 50 euro is 30 minutes of dfk,owo,daty in FKK....

Then to Solarium and it was not on sunday, me and my 2 friends, we all left about after 3 hours with no sex at all, my friend also paid drinks to more than one girl, more to curious to see what will happen. ( her bill was close to 250 reais just for entrance and drinks ).
Well more than one girl neither said thanks for a drink, some others drunk it fast and asked for another one, lets say to see how they behave, in so bitcchy attitude, was the most funny thing to do there.
Big problem of solarium, a bit too expensive price with 320 reais 40 minutes hour and 420 reais 1 hour.....last girl I banged there total bill was 480 and something, so 200 euro and as 4 girls in FKK....
Also with only 6 cabine (40 minutes) and one suite (1 hour), you can end to wait a lot to get a free cabine and if you pay for one hour, they try to convince you to go to cabine, much smaller, for the same price.
Solarium is surely working a much more than the other termas, but for me it will not last too much....

So we left and I decided to go to Centaurus....but this it will deserve another specific report.....I go to the beach, the only thing that did not get worst from last year......oh Balcony ? Yesterday too much young kids asking non stop for money.....think all the kids you got in front of help are all the time around balcony.....and you stand up there....

Cheers guys[/QUOTE]

Cheers?
You are fucking killing me with your depressing reports:(
I am coming to GIG in a months but I should have booked flight to ukraine or something...

well, i went to rio at 6pm, and i felt the post help change at meia pataca. the place was full, but not with the traditional monger action. besides the few mongers who live in rio, it was like being at a european tourist reunion. nothing but tourists at every table.

there's a new rules that if a girls is not buying food, she can no longer occupy a table and nurse a drink. it explains why there were girls out the outside of the hedges pacing. there were a few girls who sat for short periods and left. and smoking is not allowed. prices was outrageously high but the food was good; garlic frango pieces, small rice and small broccoli rice with 3 choppees. r71.00 including the already included tip.

bill on of my favorite waiters there said the meia pataca closing has efected their money. the begging kids weren't no where to be seen. however, 2 pregnant girls try to solicit me and a friend to session with them. of course we said no.

i went to monte carlo and sessioned with a real tigeress. she looked like a young ingrid. i first thought she was. the place was busy, but as lusek reported, the girls either at around and yawned, or they ratpack you. two gilrs came at me for a dupla, but i chose the ingrid look a like. she was brown, small breast with big brown nipples, small tight bubble, nice hip spread and beautiful thighs, calves, ankles and feet. her hair was long and black down her i told her completa, 1 hour and small room.

the manager took 15 minutes to verify the session, so the wait was eternal. however, she was boner material that the wood was ready.

we went to the room that was the size i made sure everyone understood. i got hit before with the wrong size room at mc. baby ingrid came in with a red nightgown and we went at it. she did a sloppy bbbj, road on top cowgirl ride; great anal that was clean, and come in mouth.

after the session she granted my request for her number and email. she told me if i dropped her information, she could be fined r800.00. she also invited me to her samba school. i also got the number from another sexy girl from mc. i guess the girls are trying for off-duty action.

damage: 1 hour, small room and i water came to r459.00 for using a credit card. that's fucking ridiculous.

after i walked over to balcony. it was a zoo. i saw meia pataca and help regulars with a bunch of other local talent who heavily flirtded. definitely a buyers paradise.

i picked up 3 numbers. one is a mp regular who is a married lesbian to an american. she is a beautiful amazon, short with big tits, who only fuck men for money; one girl was going into the ladies restroom as i was going out - tall pretty sexy blond, who flirted, gave me her number but said i cold call her tomorrow because she is with another guy at the moment; and the last was heavily flirting and sexy, so i got her info. i was not in the mood for company after my mc encounter.

seems like all the girls were asking for r200.00 for 2 hours. i am cool with that as long it means 2 orgasmos for me. oh, and i saw renata and her crew. the helpee girls are struggling; meia pataca girls have the restaurant experience to handle balcony. but the new copa is better for mongering and not good for the garotas. many helpee girls looked shell shocked!

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[QUOTE=Bizzie]Cheers?
You are fucking killing me with your depressing reports:(
I am coming to GIG in a months but I should have booked flight to ukraine or something...[/QUOTE]

Hey Lukasek! - Bizzie is right. You need to snap out of your funk dude. Go get a vitamin "C" shot or something. Better still, go to the juice bar and get some suco de acerola.

Maybe you need a change of venue? Get on a bus and go for a road trip to Buzios for a few days. Hey Bizzie - want to guess who has set up shop in Buzios?

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Math92,

I am almost every second day at the beach in front of rio othon, but I do not see much girls there and the same in fron of caesar park post 9 in ipa.[/QUOTE]

When Ho beach had Ho's

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjXlS8L2F4o[/url]

So as a long time contributer to this board, I have a question for fellow mongers. Is it still worth it to come to Rio. Sounds as if the Help closing has put the mongering scene into chaos and prices have spiraled totally out of control over the last couple years. It sounds like a trip to a terma is now costing almost US $200 and the talent level is way down. Somebody please either convince me that it's the same old Rio or tell me that I should try Colombia or somewhwere else instead. LOL. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lancer520]So as a long time contributer to this board, I have a question for fellow mongers. Is it still worth it to come to Rio. Sounds as if the Help closing has put the mongering scene into chaos and prices have spiraled totally out of control over the last couple years. It sounds like a trip to a terma is now costing almost US $200 and the talent level is way down. Somebody please either convince me that it's the same old Rio or tell me that I should try Colombia or somewhwere else instead. LOL. Thanks.[/QUOTE] Lance,
You raise an interesting question. But I suppose it all depends on how much effort you want to put into it. I think HELP just made EVERYONE sort of lazy. Both us and the girls. We always knew that one way or the other we could just wander down to the meat market pretty much any night of the week and pick up some "take-out". Conversely, the girls always knew that they had a pretty fair shake of getting a trick by going down to HELP any night of the week provided they were willing to be competitive.

To say that mongering is dead in Rio is ridiculous. It's certainly not as dead easy as it was before, but the game has certainly changed. And while some of the girls have moved on to greener pastures, I would bet that more than 50% of them are still living in Rio. The question is, "where are they"?

If you have limited time and inclination to go out and blaze a new trail, then you are probably better off going to Colombia or Peru. Or hell, why not try Sao Paulo? Accommodations are more expensive, but pussy comes in all price ranges and there's no shortage of it. But damnit, someone has to figure out and figure out the new game and report it to the rest of us. I have business reasons for being in Rio several times a year and I will certainly be looking for the new "path" on my next trip.

There are probably a few dozen members of this board (and you KNOW who you are) who are laughing their heads off because they are making out JUST FINE without HELP. Be it the Termas, be it VM, be it Club 00..... where ever.

If you don't have time to find a new path, that's cool - branch out and try out another well worn path. But don't write off Rio entirely just because the "Deer feeder" is empty.

Hello, my friends of termas.

How are we all doing today.

Well for starters I arrived two days ago.

I was old that brazil has pretty good termas so I asked around about the termas.

I was that MC and Luomo are one of best in copacabana.

So I went to check them out MC (Monte Carlo) was pretty empty but there are some nice looking girls did not like the way the girls talked to so I just sat around had few drinks on my out I met a british guy that was going to to luomo so I joined up with him when we got there we where greeted by a very friendly security guard at the he opened up for us and we went in at the reciption we where told about the prices and how the house works.

Well to cut along story short there were few girls inside but pretty hot one they where all very friendly I took one girl very sexy and new what she was doing.

The barmen there very profissional servied me well I spoke to call barry nice guy and also fabio I would like to thank them for helping pick a girl.

I did not have any problems at loumo.

I am sorry to hear that some guys had a few problems there.

Well my friends lots of sex and and lots of love to give to these fantastic girls.

Congratulations loumo for a great night.

I am off.

Dickweed780

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Mongers-
I was in Rio on the last night of Help and for several nights afterwards back in early January. Essentially, from what I saw, heard, and experienced, this is how it is going to shake out at least for the time being: The highest end Help girls, the 8's and 9's, 21-28 year old, lighter skinned specimens, will be doing their thing out of Barbarella for the most part (at least the ones who can deal with some level of management control and oversight); the high end that don't want to deal with that will be freelancing in places such as Melt, Shenanigans, and/or 00. The lower end Help girls will be working at Balcony and Avenida Atlantica for the most part. In my opinion and experience Balcony has been flooded with the bottom of the barrel favela rat types because there is no control about who enters the place for either customers or garotas. I would also be careful about Balcony because there were a large number of street hustlers floating around the place as there is no security from what I saw.
Believe me, there are still a plethora of options for scoring nice pussy in Rio de Janeiro. The number of part-timers available will not be going down anytime in the near future as long as the average salary in Rio is less than R$ 1000 per month. For high end girls at the fairest price, I recommend frequenting the places I listed above and also high end termas with the idea of entering, banging the garota one time in the termas, getting her phone number, and then having her available on reserve outside the termas for a much better value.
Sorte,
Rock Harders

[QUOTE=Jake993]Lance,
You raise an interesting question. But I suppose it all depends on how much effort you want to put into it. I think HELP just made EVERYONE sort of lazy. Both us and the girls. We always knew that one way or the other we could just wander down to the meat market pretty much any night of the week and pick up some "take-out". Conversely, the girls always knew that they had a pretty fair shake of getting a trick by going down to HELP any night of the week provided they were willing to be competitive.

To say that mongering is dead in Rio is ridiculous. It's certainly not as dead easy as it was before, but the game has certainly changed. And while some of the girls have moved on to greener pastures, I would bet that more than 50% of them are still living in Rio. The question is, "where are they"?

If you have limited time and inclination to go out and blaze a new trail, then you are probably better off going to Colombia or Peru. Or hell, why not try Sao Paulo? Accommodations are more expensive, but pussy comes in all price ranges and there's no shortage of it. But damnit, someone has to figure out and figure out the new game and report it to the rest of us. I have business reasons for being in Rio several times a year and I will certainly be looking for the new "path" on my next trip.

There are probably a few dozen members of this board (and you KNOW who you are) who are laughing their heads off because they are making out JUST FINE without HELP. Be it the Termas, be it VM, be it Club 00..... where ever.

If you don't have time to find a new path, that's cool - branch out and try out another well worn path. But don't write off Rio entirely just because the "Deer feeder" is empty.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Jake,
Time isn't my issue at all. Money isn't a big issue, but these new prices I'm hearing at termas in reports are out of control. 1 hour with a girl and 1 water $450 reals. What is that about? I use to do Help, TA, and the first and 2nd level termas. Even the 2nd level termas were getting out of hand on my last trip. NS Copa 583 was charging like $150 reals a year ago if I remember correctly. and that was at a 2.25 to 1 Dollar exchange rate. I never thought I would say this but i'm almost ready to suck it up, lose my 40% on the dollar and try Europe. I would like to hear more reports and prices from mongers on the ground in Rio so any input would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Bizzie]..
You are fucking killing me with your depressing reports:(
..[/QUOTE]

Bizzie, no more Prozac ?

Honestly you should consider to put me in your ignore list if the report of my truth made you so sad. And indeed my truth should mean nothing more than the POV of one between many...

But even yesterday after Shenanigan's ( where I laugh to see there one girl from Centaurus and two that played hard to get and then they show up at Balcony ), a short walk to prado juniour the scene was the same.

Believe it or not, all the mongers I spoke with, told me they do not like now Rio, 1 retired 64 yo from USA used to come here 3 months per year, told me, he wont come back again. One english guy the same. One greek shocked how all the girls only ask money, how they are ugly and how expensive it is, he said, I was just curious to see rio, I will keep on going to LOS.

Just couple of examples of last days, nobody is really happy here, the 450 reais for 1 session in terma is too much, especially if you have to wake up the girl before to session her.

Actually I feel great, honestly I do not live to fuck, I cannot wait to come back home, to meet my friends, I have two coworkers I want to date.
To start to work again hard, get money soon and think where to go in the spring and I will kill the end of the winter in FKK where in comparison to here, you get muuuch more with much leeess money.

I do not live in Rio, I could care less that now is so different here, yes, it is a different holiday, I have much less sex and GFE than I thought, but I enjoy to run at the beach early morning, to get tanned as never before....I have no problems at all, I am not as the GdP that now they sell their expensive handbags and clothes just to pay the rent of the apt or to buy food for their son cause they work not so much as before.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Hey Lukasek! - Bizzie is right. You need to snap out of your funk dude. Go get a vitamin "C" shot or something.....Maybe you need a change of venue? Get on a bus and go for a road trip to Buzios for a few days....[/QUOTE]

Jake993,

So do you think if I go to Buzius, when I will come back, I will find the same Rio of the golden years ? LOL

I know you like to read only the good positive reports, no matter if the truth is different, but I have seriously problem to lie and to write here is a heaven....

Come here Jake and write your reports, it will be much more useful for the forum than to suggests me to drink a juice.... ;)

[QUOTE=Lancer520]....but these new prices I'm hearing at termas in reports are out of control. 1 hour with a girl and 1 water $450 reals. What is that about?...[/QUOTE]

And the Olimpic games are still far 6 years, for me it is only the beginning, sooner it will become even more expensive. It is a common thing here, less customer make the prices get higher, it is part of brazilian "wisdom"....

Another thing that need to be mentioned, last year from the middle of january every couple of days you could see some new girls arriving for carnival....well we are at the end of january and there are all the same faces of 2 weeks ago when I arrived....

P.S. I do not rent apartments and I have no business here, I am not a 1 report new member owner of terma, that's why I do not need to promote Rio or to write super positive bullshits reports....

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers-
I was in Rio on the last night of Help and for several nights afterwards back in early January. Essentially, from what I saw, heard, and experienced, this is how it is going to shake out at least for the time being: The highest end Help girls, the 8's and 9's, 21-28 year old, lighter skinned specimens, will be doing their thing out of Barbarella for the most part (at least the ones who can deal with some level of management control and oversight); the high end that don't want to deal with that will be freelancing in places such as Melt, Shenanigans, and/or 00. The lower end Help girls will be working at Balcony and Avenida Atlantica for the most part. In my opinion and experience Balcony has been flooded with the bottom of the barrel favela rat types because there is no control about who enters the place for either customers or garotas. I would also be careful about Balcony because there were a large number of street hustlers floating around the place as there is no security from what I saw.
Believe me, there are still a plethora of options for scoring nice pussy in Rio de Janeiro. The number of part-timers available will not be going down anytime in the near future as long as the average salary in Rio is less than R$ 1000 per month. For high end girls at the fairest price, I recommend frequenting the places I listed above and also high end termas with the idea of entering, banging the garota one time in the termas, getting her phone number, and then having her available on reserve outside the termas for a much better value.
Sorte,
Rock Harders[/QUOTE]
Good information indeed!!
Thanks for the brief succinct update.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
Come here Jake and write your reports, it will be much more useful for the forum than to suggests me to drink a juice.... ;)
[/QUOTE]Lukasek,
Mi amico I am trying to get there as fast as I can. Unfortunately, this crisis will not go away and is playing hell with my travel budget!!!!
Get well soon and blaze a new trail for us..... :)

[QUOTE=Rock Harders] the high end that don't want to deal with that will be freelancing in places such as Melt, Shenanigans, and/or 00. [/QUOTE]

Oh man that sucks!! That would have to be, the worst feeling in the world!! Guys go to these clubs to meet regular girls, not prostitutes. Imagine the feeling of going to a club and thinking you are really hitting it off with this young sexy women, you think she is attracted to you. Then when you go in to seal the deal and ask her back to your place, she hits you with "I need 500R to go with you!" I would be fucking crushed and pissed as hell if that happened to me.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Or hell, why not try Sao Paulo? Accommodations are more expensive, but pussy comes in all price ranges and there's no shortage of it.[/QUOTE]
Jake, accommodation is much cheaper in SP than in Rio. About half cheaper I'd say, both for hotels and serviced apartments. For example, Mercure Apartments cost 150/200RS in Sao Paulo (in the best areas), as they cost 350/400 RS in Rio. There's also great weekend bargains in SP, which doesn't exist in Rio.

Anyhow I fully agree. Sao Paulo has the best looking girls, the best boites, the best strip bars, the best clubs, the best after-hours, ect this side of Atlantic ocean.

Not even talking of Love Story, which is simply the best pick-up club on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none.

How Luka, an adventurous man of good taste who has already travelled to the best untapped areas in FSU, can persist to monger in an overrun and nasty touristic shithole like Rio is beyond me.

[QUOTE=Lancer520]Thanks Jake,
Time isn't my issue at all. Money isn't a big issue, but these new prices I'm hearing at termas in reports are out of control. 1 hour with a girl and 1 water $450 reals. What is that about? I use to do Help, TA, and the first and 2nd level termas. Even the 2nd level termas were getting out of hand on my last trip. NS Copa 583 was charging like $150 reals a year ago if I remember correctly. and that was at a 2.25 to 1 Dollar exchange rate. I never thought I would say this but i'm almost ready to suck it up, lose my 40% on the dollar and try Europe. I would like to hear more reports and prices from mongers on the ground in Rio so any input would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Lancer,
If you are serious about trying Europe, then I would suggest you think about giving Ukraine a try. No visa required for Americans, Canadians, Brits, or Europeans. But that might change after the February election so if you are thinking about it go quickly. IT's probably won't but you never know. Go and look at the Ukraine (Kiev) posts on this forum for the low down. Once you get there it's more affordable than you might think. There's no beach but there are plenty of other compensations!! ;) Affordable apartments, good restaurants and gorgeous girls. You can fly there fro London for $140 each way. Check out some recent posts by CruiserD. He's there now and sounds like he's having a ball.
Send me a PM if you would like additional info. Happy to assist.
Good luck,
Jake

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers-
the high end that don't want to deal with that will be freelancing in places such as Melt, Shenanigans, and/or 00. [/QUOTE]

I agree, I sort of mentioned this recently. I have a trip coming up and these are the places I am going to hit.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Oh man that sucks!! That would have to be, the worst feeling in the world!! Guys go to these clubs to meet regular girls, not prostitutes. Imagine the feeling of going to a club and thinking you are really hitting it off with this young sexy women, you think she is attracted to you. Then when you go in to seal the deal and ask her back to your place, she hits you with "I need 500R to go with you!" I would be fucking crushed and pissed as hell if that happened to me.[/QUOTE]

These girls know who they are talking to, if they think you're some naive schmuck from East Podunk NJ who is love struck she won't last 2 minutes with you, don't worry.

[quote=bravo]oh man that sucks!! that would have to be, the worst feeling in the world!! guys go to these clubs to meet regular girls, not prostitutes. imagine the feeling of going to a club and thinking you are really hitting it off with this young sexy women, you think she is attracted to you. then when you go in to seal the deal and ask her back to your place, she hits you with "i need 500r to go with you!" i would be fucking crushed and pissed as hell if that happened to me.[/quote]
just for potential visitors of this city. have you ever thought about when you go seal the deal and ask her back to your place, you go and f**k each others brains out. she wakes up in the morning, brushes her teeth and you go for another round of morning sex. then you shower and have breakfast together. she goes on her way and does not ask for 500r or no money whatsover...........well, that shit actually happens. how? take some time and make an effort to learn the language, culture and try not to stand out like a sex tourist. it will happen more often than you think.

for a few members in this forum, this has been the norm for quite a while now. whether its with a gdp or a regular gal. thats why all this helppee talk doesn't make a difference at all to these guys. it is no coincidence that they happen to be the same guys that contibute the most info. since way back when.

basically, what i am saying is that very good times can still be had, but one is going to have to make some changes in their approach, particularly how one decides to deal with the language barrier. just my two cents.

copa has changed and is changing again. these ridicolous prices asked at present time will not continue as lesser numbers of mongers are comming to rio. it is already a buyer´s market. why go to a first-tier terma when you have approx. 50 casas em centro and also vm? you have all the escort agencies which charge 120 rs for 2 hours. lamenting about shell-shocked helpeee-girls does not serve any purpose. guys - simply move on!!!!

the rio-girls will find another waterhole where they will meet gringos.if there is a demand, someone will come and make space available. the girls will also lower their prices or they will go home alone. there are too many women in rio waiting of johns to take them out and pay for their services. and the johns will think twice going to a ridicolous expensive rio. average tourists will still continue to flock into rio - but will they spend as much money there as we mongers do? i doubt.

i am usually in the north of brazil, salvador, fortaleza, manaus. a girl there is glad getting 150 rs for tln, the hotels and restaurants are cheaper and have at least the same quality. if you want to try other pastures, go to argentina, peru, colombia or the dr. europe and africa are also alternatives - how about spain and portugal or the ivory coast in africa?

if the rio government decided they do not want to have the mongring tourism - so let it be. there are too many places in the world which welcomes us.

these are my 2 centavos for today.

carlos primeros

[quote=mangera]just for potential visitors of this city. have you ever thought about when you go seal the deal and ask her back to your place, you go and f**k each others brains out. she wakes up in the morning, brushes her teeth and you go for another round of morning sex. then you shower and have breakfast together. she goes on her way and does not ask for 500r or no money whatsover...........well, that shit actually happens. how? take some time and make an effort to learn the language, culture and try not to stand out like a sex tourist. it will happen more often than you think.

for a few members in this forum, this has been the norm for quite a while now. whether its with a gdp or a regular gal. thats why all this helppee talk doesn't make a difference at all to these guys. it is no coincidence that they happen to be the same guys that contibute the most info. since way back when.

basically, what i am saying is that very good times can be had, but one is going to have some changes in their approach, particularly how one decides to deal with the language barrier. just my two cents.[/quote]

this excellent comment was posted on another forum to which i added my two cents.

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"but if you are no good at non pros where you live, dont set your expectations too high for non pros here. espeically in barra."

should be etched in stone at the immigration line or at least put up in all the hotels like the **** prostitution sign.

it never ceases to amaze me how many guys who can't even get a warm look from a woman in their own country think that things are going to change once they arrive in brazil. they don't even speak the language yet somehow think that attractive women suddenly have developed an uncontrollable urge to be with them.

better yet, no woman in their life has ever commented positively on their sexual prowess, but now they make casaonova, fabio and don juan all seem like barney fife. women like guys who can make them laugh. not many guys are good at that in their own language, let alone in another one. unless you have a history of at least some success with women and speak portuguese, it really is all about the money.
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not the truth people what to hear, but the truth nonetheless.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Oh man that sucks! That would have to be, the worst feeling in the world! Guys go to these clubs to meet regular girls, not prostitutes. Imagine the feeling of going to a club and thinking you are really hitting it off with this young sexy women, you think she is attracted to you. Then when you go in to seal the deal and ask her back to your place, she hits you with "I need 500R to go with you! " I would be fucking crushed and pissed as hell if that happened to me.[/QUOTE]The girls who are going to ask for money in any of these places will be so amazing obvious that I can't see anyone, who isn't an idiot being surprised.

Girls who go to melt, nuth and 00 have style, taste, class. The ones who have migrated from help, do not. Many of them are hot, but taste and style, sorry.

[QUOTE=Prosal].
Anyhow I fully agree. Sao Paulo has the best looking girls, the best boites, the best strip bars, the best clubs, the best after-hours, ect this side of Atlantic ocean.

Not even talking of Love Story, which is simply the best pick-up club on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none.[/QUOTE]


Let me add that, according to the news I am watching from Fortaleza, it has been raining daily for the last 35 days with lots of floods and over 60 deaths.

You need a small boat to visit all the places listed above.LOL

[QUOTE=Jake993]Hey Lukasek! - Bizzie is right. You need to snap out of your funk dude. Go get a vitamin "C" shot or something. Better still, go to the juice bar and get some suco de acerola.

Maybe you need a change of venue? Get on a bus and go for a road trip to Buzios for a few days. Hey Bizzie - want to guess who has set up shop in Buzios?[/QUOTE]
I give up. Who?

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Quote:
Bizzie, no more Prozac ?

Honestly you should consider to put me in your ignore list if the report of my truth made you so sad. And indeed my truth should mean nothing more than the POV of one between many...[/QUOTE]
Seriously man, your picture of Rio is giving me E.D.:)
Anyway, it's too late. Already have my flight booked. And have high hopes for a wild garota or two.
But I was serious about Ukraine etc.
I have had a few real gems from urkraine in Dubai.
(FKK is on hte list but....)

Thanks to all the responses that I got from everyone. One last question. What is the current fees at 4x4 and Luomo? These are usually my 2 favorites. Fortunately it looks as though the dollar is finally back on the rise and I might see 2.00 to 1 by March 1st. I investigated Sao Paolo and that even looks more expensive then Rio. I thought of trying Rio for a few days then maybe doing Buenos Aires for the first time. I hear it's a pretty decent mongering scene. thanks again for the input...

As I look at some of his videos I think to myself that I really will miss Help. I know a lot of you will disagree, but being on the tables on the stage with my friends with bottles of champagne and surrounded by beautiful women was like living the rockstar life but at a much more reasonable price. I still like the club scene and the music and it seems like that kind of thing is gone now. I agree the girls got lazy and much more expensive the last 2 years but it was still a lot of fun. Maybe it's time to move on, as much as brazilian women are by far my favorite....

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Bizzie, no more Prozac ?

Honestly you should consider to put me in your ignore list if the report of my truth made you so sad. And indeed my truth should mean nothing more than the POV of one between many...

But even yesterday after Shenanigan's ( where I laugh to see there one girl from Centaurus and two that played hard to get and then they show up at Balcony ), a short walk to prado juniour the scene was the same.

Believe it or not, all the mongers I spoke with, told me they do not like now Rio, 1 retired 64 yo from USA used to come here 3 months per year, told me, he wont come back again. One english guy the same. One greek shocked how all the girls only ask money, how they are ugly and how expensive it is, he said, I was just curious to see rio, I will keep on going to LOS.

Just couple of examples of last days, nobody is really happy here, the 450 reais for 1 session in terma is too much, especially if you have to wake up the girl before to session her.

Actually I feel great, honestly I do not live to fuck, I cannot wait to come back home, to meet my friends, I have two coworkers I want to date.
To start to work again hard, get money soon and think where to go in the spring and I will kill the end of the winter in FKK where in comparison to here, you get muuuch more with much leeess money.

I do not live in Rio, I could care less that now is so different here, yes, it is a different holiday, I have much less sex and GFE than I thought, but I enjoy to run at the beach early morning, to get tanned as never before....I have no problems at all, I am not as the GdP that now they sell their expensive handbags and clothes just to pay the rent of the apt or to buy food for their son cause they work not so much as before.[/quote]Jake993,

So do you think if I go to Buzius, when I will come back, I will find the same Rio of the golden years? LOL

I know you like to read only the good positive reports, no matter if the truth is different, but I have seriously problem to lie and to write here is a heaven.

Come here Jake and write your reports, it will be much more useful for the forum than to suggests me to drink a juice..

And the Olimpic games are still far 6 years, for me it is only the beginning, sooner it will become even more expensive. It is a common thing here, less customer make the prices get higher, it is part of brazilian "wisdom".

Another thing that need to be mentioned, last year from the middle of January every couple of days you could see some new girls arriving for carnival. Well we are at the end of January and there are all the same faces of 2 weeks ago when I arrived.

P.S. I do not rent apartments and I have no business here, I am not a 1 report new member owner of terma, that's why I do not need to promote Rio or to write super positive bullshits reports.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the realness your reporting. The last thing that is needed is someone making up fake stories.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Math92,

I would say yes, there are much less gringo, so much less money walking there.

I am almost every second day at the beach in front of rio othon, but I do not see much girls there and the same in fron of caesar park post 9 in ipa.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot Lukasek.

I could make my own report in a few weeks.

I will be there for 9 days.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Lukasek,
Mi amico I am trying to get there as fast as I can....[/QUOTE]

I already ordered 2 cold beers and I am waiting for you at Planetario de Gavea ;)

[QUOTE=Jake993]...
Get well soon and blaze a new trail for us....[/QUOTE]

It will be much easier and funny in Мурманск....

[QUOTE=Prosal]
How Luka, an adventurous man of good taste who has already travelled to the best untapped areas in FSU, can persist to monger in an overrun and nasty touristic shithole like Rio is beyond me.[/QUOTE]

Privetik.... you know I agree with you and my point of view is very close to yours, but the problem is, where to go in january when the Europe is in the cold deep winter ? I am thinking about Dubai....

[QUOTE=Bizzie]...Seriously man, your picture of Rio is giving me E.D.:)
Anyway, it's too late. Already have my flight booked...
But I was serious about Ukraine etc.
I have had a few real gems from urkraine in Dubai.
(FKK is on hte list but....)[/QUOTE]

Bizzie, as I said, maybe you will find here it is still a heaven for you, I wish you great time here, to each his own, but after Rio do you a favour, try Ukraine and Fkk, especially Fkk, cause if you can afford to not have ocean, then I am pretty sure you will thank me ;)

[QUOTE=Lancer520]...One last question. What is the current fees at 4x4 and Luomo?...[/QUOTE]

Entrance at 4x4 is 50 reais, 70 reais at luomo,MC and solarium.

I am not sure about the price of 40 minutes, but what I remember very well.....caipirinha at luomo cost 25 reais VS 12 or 14 at MC and obviously it tastes the same....

I session only once for 1 hour at luomo, was the usual 430-450 reais with drinks and entrance.

I went to 4x4, there work 2 friend of my american guys who left yesterday, the place looked "enough" crowded, but when I ask them, how the work today ? They said shit, they talk and wait before to go to cabine and more than often they leave with no sex at all. Very little gringo, almost only brazilians.
I stayed there and I enjoyed to talk with them both, at least they were lessons of brazilian languages for free LOL but I did not see one girl it worth to pay for.

Entrance and couple of drinks, a bit less than 100 reais.

Way back home I stop at terma 502 ( 20 reais entrance with includeded 3 beers ), I drunk 1 beer very fast and I left after a while....

Then I was tired and I went to sleep early, today I feel great, the usual running at the beach, now lets try to have something nice to report for tomorrow, from terma or from shenanigans.....we will see, more to follow, poka

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I am not sure about the price of 40 minutes, but what I remember very well.....caipirinha at luomo cost 25 reais VS 12 or 14 at MC and obviously it tastes the same....

I session only once for 1 hour at luomo, was the usual 430-450 reais with drinks and entrance.[/QUOTE]
I think the drinks are way overpriced at L'uomo but we do need to be fair. If I remember correctly a caipirinha is R$14. Also, I think Peter makes a much better caipirinha than the bartenders at MC especially since he is stuck using Cachaça 51.

[QUOTE=Lancer520]Thanks to all the responses that I got from everyone. One last question. What is the current fees at 4x4 and Luomo? These are usually my 2 favorites. Fortunately it looks as though the dollar is finally back on the rise and I might see 2.00 to 1 by March 1st. I investigated Sao Paolo and that even looks more expensive then Rio. I thought of trying Rio for a few days then maybe doing Buenos Aires for the first time. I hear it's a pretty decent mongering scene. thanks again for the input...[/QUOTE]

Early December 2009 I remember paying 100 euros for a 40min session including entrance and a drink at 4x4. That was about 250-260 reais

No Termas at Buenos Ayres but many private brothels (privados) and boliches (bars) with ladies to take out.

Check out [url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/[/url] for more info.

[QUOTE=Lancer520]As I look at some of his videos I think to myself that I really will miss Help. I know a lot of you will disagree, but being on the tables on the stage with my friends with bottles of champagne and surrounded by beautiful women was like living the rockstar life but at a much more reasonable price. I still like the club scene and the music and it seems like that kind of thing is gone now. I agree the girls got lazy and much more expensive the last 2 years but it was still a lot of fun. Maybe it's time to move on, as much as brazilian women are by far my favorite....[/QUOTE]

No, I do not disagree with your statement. Simply, Help! was a great venue for our hobby. Do not concern yourself by those with myopic statements.

I never fail to catch myself smiling when thinking of Help. At times, almost a decade of great memories flash before me. Man, it was a great run...I surely will miss that place. Valeu, Help! Valeu!

Well I just returned from a great trip to Rio, so I don't know what everyone is complaining about. The thing with me is that I never went to HELP anyway, I speak passable Portuguese, and I would often spend around R$500 during a night on the town anyway. One night during this trip I managed to spend R$1,050 at T-65. Pricy? Yes, but I had a mighty good time.

Granted, a thousand Reais doesn't go as far as it used to but the quality in Brazil is still quite good and not hard to find. As stated by another poster, if a Termas lady likes you then there is a good chance she will offer to meet you before or after she gets off shift. I received several offers but I'm more of a short-time sort of guy.

I think the only folks noticing a huge difference are those that went to HELP practically every night. Now that the "Wal-Mart of Sex" is gone it will take a while for people to readjust to the new scene. But if everyone wants to believe that Rio is overpriced and not worth it anymore I'm not going to complain. It only means more garotas available to me when I return in May.

Time to shift my focus back to Europe for now; return to London & Berlin in a couple of months.

"O tempora, O mores"
- DSK

[QUOTE=Bizzie]I give up. Who?[/QUOTE]
Your old pal from the Marriott.

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick]Now that the "Wal-Mart of Sex" is gone it will take a while for people to readjust to the new scene. [/QUOTE] Wal-mart of Sex - good one. Sadly, that's actually pretty accurate. But I can say that I have dragged both the 'best' and the 'worst' I ever had in Rio out of HELP.

It's hard not to be a little nostalgic about the place.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Wal-mart of Sex - good one. Sadly, that's actually pretty accurate. But I can say that I have dragged both the 'best' and the 'worst' I ever had in Rio out of HELP.

It's hard not to be a little nostalgic about the place.[/QUOTE]Wal-mart? No more like 7 eleven as in overpriced and poor quality.

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick]...One night during this trip I managed to spend R$1,050 at T-65....[/QUOTE]

Somebody thought 450 reais for one hour is a lot and for others 1,050 reais is nothing LOL, I am sure they cannot wait to see you again :D

Received a report that Balcony has made some space for a dance floor, and is overun by unattractive GDPs.

Can anyone report on the beach scene in front of Othon and Ceasar's?

[QUOTE=Amerioca]Received a report that Balcony has made some space for a dance floor, and is overun by unattractive GDPs.

Can anyone report on the beach scene in front of Othon and Ceasar's?[/QUOTE]
and I don't mean television. Stopped by there around 11:30 PM and they were everywhere. Hard to tell the players without a scorecard, but some were all too obvious.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Your old pal from the Marriott.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah! forgetting her name now, but just found/posted some pictures of her from an old memory card.

[quote=amerioca]no, i do not disagree with your statement. simply, help! was a great venue for our hobby. do not concern yourself by those with myopic statements.

i never fail to catch myself smiling when thinking of help. at times, almost a decade of great memories flash before me. man, it was a great run...i surely will miss that place. valeu, help! valeu![/quote]
agree with you. those who are comparing prices and looks of helpee girls wiht other venues are missing the point about why some mongers frequented helpee.
it was not to find the cheapest pussy or best looking girls, but rather to hang out and watch the circus. that's it!
very few places like it in the world:)
lat year i did the meat markets in dubai, buenos aires and istanbul. rio was second to none.
have things worsened since then in rio? i will find out in a month or so;)

[QUOTE=D Cups]Better than Rio, El Greco?[/QUOTE]

Couldn't say so

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=975810&postcount=1027[/url]

[QUOTE=Amerioca]Received a report that Balcony has made some space for a dance floor, and is overun by unattractive GDPs.
[/QUOTE]
No, it´s still got the tiny square at the back that it has always had. There is a proper dance floor next door and upstairs in Dolce Vita, though not that big. It also has a show of sorts. Charging entry occasionally. The attractiveness/attractiveness of the GDPs is hit and miss. I only took one from Balcony this time (I´m now in Belem) but she was quite a player and I booked her twice again by phone.

Have just left Rio :( - the marvellous city - for the north of Brasil, so here´s my details for this short visit -

16 days
22 punts
inc 1 sessioned with on three different dates
inc 4 TLNs
inc 1 freebie / non-programma
:) :) :)
Total R1483
Average R67
Not suggesting it as a guide but,
Best looking girl: from VM
Best sex: from Nogueira
Cheapest: BA85 (15R)


With many thanks to the Board member who sent me some Niteroi tips - I will do better there next time.

If you have something interesting to talk and enthuse about it makes you a better catch for the GDP. (How do you like it if her life consists solely of screwing people?? - exactly.) Prado has been talked about a lot recently. I did a bars guide about a year ago which hasn´t changed much (although Hta d.Prado and Estacio dos doces didn´t seem as busy as usual). I thought some people might like to try some stuff, even in the narrow confines of Prado. Here´s some starters :)

Padaria VIP Rio
Have a decent non-botequim lunch of lasagne for 3 or 4 reals.

Decios
Get a haircut, including fresh naked blade trimming of sides and eyebrows for R10

Copa Fish
Amaze your chica and demanding the biggest prawns ever seen. Take them home, cook them fast and serve with lime.

Copa Avico
Can´t resist roast chicken? Buy a whole one and take it home. R13

Ciclovia
Rent a bike and do the carioca thing along Atlantica or round Lagoa. 1hr R9, 3hrs R20, 12hrs R50, 24hrs R70.

Cervantes
Not forgetting the stand up bar where the rich and famous drive up for a ´filet complet´

Enjoy.

I don´t know if it is just my experience, but I found the girls on URU24 more forthcoming this time. They usually hang on the stairwell and feel up your penis as you ascend. But this year I did not encounter one that did so and resisted when I felt up their pussy while they did so.* All this is quite nice for free! My main reservation before had been that service had been rushed on some occasions. So I just made a big deal of the time when negotiating, ´Not 10, not 15, not 18, but 20 minutes since I pay for 20 minutes.´ Seemed to work for me.

I gave Renata (BA85) my usual guff about wanting to f*ck her but not in the 2nd floor sh*thole. She offered me a tour of the (slightly) re-vamped rooms. Not as nice as some of the other floors, but still a big improvement. That, and her smile, won me over.

[i]Whereas last night, the dancer came off stage and showed me exactly where and how to move my fingers over her naked swollen clit. But this was Boulevard. About 1500 miles away ;)[/i]

Thursday, 28 Jan. 4X4: 1 hour, small room, Coke Zero came to R276.00 with credit card.

Tuesday, 26 Jan. Monte Carlo: 1 hour, small room and I water came to R459.00 with credit card.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]If you have something interesting to talk and enthuse about it makes you a better catch for the GDP. (How do you like it if her life consists solely of screwing people?? - exactly.) Prado has been talked about a lot recently. I did a bars guide about a year ago which hasn´t changed much (although Hta d.Prado and Estacio dos doces didn´t seem as busy as usual). I thought some people might like to try some stuff, even in the narrow confines of Prado. Here´s some starters :)

Padaria VIP Rio
Have a decent non-botequim lunch of lasagne for 3 or 4 reals.

Decios
Get a haircut, including fresh naked blade trimming of sides and eyebrows for R10

Copa Fish
Amaze your chica and demanding the biggest prawns ever seen. Take them home, cook them fast and serve with lime.

Copa Avico
Can´t resist roast chicken? Buy a whole one and take it home. R13

Ciclovia
Rent a bike and do the carioca thing along Atlantica or round Lagoa. 1hr R9, 3hrs R20, 12hrs R50, 24hrs R70.

Cervantes
Not forgetting the stand up bar where the rich and famous drive up for a ´filet complet´

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]

It seems that you missed the Sabor Arte (or something like that) small restaurant diagonally across Barbarella and opposite Pao de Acugar.

Very nice dishes and very reasonable priced. Try spagheti with camarao and asparagus plus their many frango dishes. Delicious. They also make deliveries.

Guys I am in net cafe, so I will be very short.

Yesterday my first and last time at Cancun, 40 reais to get into, only ugly dogs.

4x4 I saw a new girl, fast interview, she was used to work at centaurus, 19yo, great body, thin, no belly,no hairy legs as many under bomba at 4x4.
Session was really nice, nothing amazing but one of the best I got in this holiday, especially you know, the body of 19yo is nothing you can compare with older girl.

However I sessioned one hour and when I saw the bill I thought....what ?!?

Only 270 reais and something.....incredible cheap !

Lets say you pay only 40 reais at 4x4 if you session instead of 50 reais,but anyway here the prices:

All the prices are what I paid for entrance, some drinks, (more or less all the time couple of beers or caipirinha and couple of coca cola) and 1 HOUR:

Solarium:
490 reais and something, the most expensive especially cause they try to make you choose the cabine, for 40 minutes, even if you should get the suite, why ? Too much time to wait for the suite. Very expensive also cause you have to count about 30-40 reais more for taxi from copa to get there and about 1 hour of travel ( this for me sucks even more than the money for taxi ).

Luomo:
485 reais, nothing super, nothing bad, just average session, despite the price, 200 euro is fuking too much for something average. I confirm 25 reais for price of caipirinha, 10 euro is too much, no matter with what barman does...

4x4:
270 reais and something is wonderful, I did not belive to the bill, ( I had in my hands about 400 reais ).
It is so cheap, it makes the sex session looks like much better, I left with a smile, 100 euro is a lot, considering I yet think Brazil for me it is 3rd country, but MOST IMPORTANT THING it costs me the half of the other gringo rip off terma in zona sul !
God bless 4x4 forever !
I also found the girls there, as always, much less spoiled and selfish in comparison to their lazy friends in the other termas.

It sucks a bit to go there by metro, ( even if with 16 reais at 23h I went to copa by taxi...the same as back from solarium...), as it takes 40-50 minutes, but when you come back from the 4x4 you have in you wallet yet 100 euro and you did the same exactly thing, well, probably better.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Yesterday my first and last time at Cancun, 40 reais to get into, only ugly dogs.[/QUOTE]
I have never had a problem finding an attractive girl at Cancun. Never. There is no reason to pay R$40 to enter the termas. It is best to pay R$20 and go to the whiskeria, Manhattan. The best girls seem to spend time there rather than the termas.

[quote=lukasek]
however i sessioned one hour and when i saw the bill i thought....what ?!?

only 270 reais and something.....incredible cheap ![/quote]

i told you. didn't i ?


[quote=lukasek]it sucks a bit to go there by metro, ( even if with 16 reais at 23h i went to copa by taxi...the same as back from solarium...), as it takes 40-50 minutes, but when you come back from the 4x4 you have in you wallet yet 100 euro and you did the same exactly thing, well, probably better.[/quote]

next time you can take blue/white bus #175 (from outside mc donalds on av. rio branco) to av atlantica. they run every 5-10 minutes and they drive so fast as if they are competing to the taxis. i used to get off at helpee for a drink. now it will be balcony.

[QUOTE=El Greco]It seems that you missed the Sabor Arte (or something like that) small restaurant diagonally across Barbarella and opposite Pao de Acugar.

Very nice dishes and very reasonable priced. Try spagheti with camarao and asparagus plus their many frango dishes. Delicious. They also make deliveries.[/QUOTE]

Lovely place. I was trying to stick to Prado itself lol. But there are so many nice places to eat (if only a few outstanding ones). AT least these places can give you something multo quente rather than the lukewarm stuff served at kilogramas.

[QUOTE=El Greco]It seems that you missed the Sabor Arte (or something like that) small restaurant diagonally across Barbarella and opposite Pao de Acugar.

Very nice dishes and very reasonable priced. Try spagheti with camarao and asparagus plus their many frango dishes. Delicious. They also make deliveries.[/QUOTE]

Lovely place. I was trying to stick to Prado itself lol. But there are so many nice places to eat (if only a few outstanding ones). At least these places can give you something multo quente rather than the lukewarm stuff served at kilogramas.

If we include the area of MVdeCastro immediately by Prado, there is very reasonable food at the restaurant between Nog and Cicciolina´s, and it doesn´t allow programmas, so you can watch them without being harrassed.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Lovely place. I was trying to stick to Prado itself lol. But there are so many nice places to eat (if only a few outstanding ones). At least these places can give you something multo quente rather than the lukewarm stuff served at kilogramas.

If we include the area of MVdeCastro immediately by Prado, there is very reasonable food at the restaurant between Nog and Cicciolina´s, and it doesn´t allow programmas, so you can watch them without being harrassed.[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about El Cids?

Guys I said that one of the bad thing of no more help, was that I thought very hard to see terma girls show up at balcony.....yesterday they were in 6 in 2 small groups from 2 different termas, they stayed free less than couple of minutes as they dress better, walk better, look better in comparison with the ugly dogs balcony girls, but ... I do not understand why a girl should yawn with crossed arms 7-8 hours in terma with no mood to work and then to go to balcony to earn money....and I laugh when I saw them arrive, I was already busy so I did not consider to take one of them and I have no idea about the price they ask for.

I was there in January and noticed the changed attitudes of the Help GDP's. I know that the closing of Help did have a significant effect in the volume of customers in most of the Termas. I wonder though if things have picked up in any of the Termas. While there you could have a Basketball game in the middle of the boite in 4 X 4 while the strip show was going on, it was that empty. Even though I really did not care for Help one bit, I'm sure they did not see the drop in business coming.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Guys I said that one of the bad thing of no more help, was that I thought very hard to see terma girls show up at balcony.....yesterday they were in 6 in 2 small groups from 2 different termas, they stayed free less than couple of minutes as they dress better, walk better, look better in comparison with the ugly dogs balcony girls, but ... I do not understand why a girl should yawn with crossed arms 7-8 hours in terma with no mood to work and then to go to balcony to earn money....and I laugh when I saw them arrive, I was already busy so I did not consider to take one of them and I have no idea about the price they ask for.[/QUOTE]

I was in 4x4 on Thrusday and it was not packed when the stirp show was going on which was a good thing as I dont not like cowards. I have hit these Termas 4x4, 81, Meia Cinco a.k.a 65, and Monte Carlo, out of all them 4x4 I will hit again and also 81 since I saw atleast 10-15 garotas 4x4 I would like to sample and atleast 5 in Termas 81 compared to 1-3 in 65 and MC.
[QUOTE=Voyajer1]I was there in January and noticed the changed attitudes of the Help GDP's. I know that the closing of Help did have a significant effect in the volume of customers in most of the Termas. I wonder though if things have picked up in any of the Termas. While there you could have a Basketball game in the middle of the boite in 4 X 4 while the strip show was going on, it was that empty. Even though I really did not care for Help one bit, I'm sure they did not see the drop in business coming.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]...While there you could have a Basketball game in the middle of the boite in 4 X 4 while the strip show was going on, it was that empty...[/QUOTE]

You couldn't describe it better :D the same last friday

From MC and L'uomo, but last saturday, not yesterday, 2 were from 4x4 too...

Guys where is exactly terma 81 ? Address ?

[QUOTE=Lukasek]You couldn't describe it better :D the same last friday

From MC and L'uomo, but last saturday, not yesterday, 2 were from 4x4 too...

Guys where is exactly terma 81 ? Address ?[/QUOTE]Rua da Quitanda, 81 - Centro

Walk past 4 X 4 coming from Rio Branco and the next cross street will be Rua Da Quintanda. The address, Rua da Quintanda 81 and you are at this Terma. Don't hurt yourself :D
[QUOTE=Lukasek]You couldn't describe it better :D the same last friday

From MC and L'uomo, but last saturday, not yesterday, 2 were from 4x4 too...

Guys where is exactly terma 81 ? Address ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]...The address, Rua da Quintanda 81...[/QUOTE]

Thanks...too many termas in too little days, but I was in rua da quintada with my friends, I forgot the exactly number, but at number 65 you have terma 65 right ? ( or meja cinquo in portuguese ).

So 2 termas at short distance or the same one ?

Different ones. Termas 65 is on Rua do Rosario, which means you have to walk almost an extra block and a half from 4 X 4 to get there. In order to get to Termas 81 you have to cross Rua do Rosario on Rua da Quintada. A few extra steps and you are there.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Thanks...too many termas in too little days, but I was in rua da quintada with my friends, I forgot the exactly number, but at number 65 you have terma 65 right ? ( or meja cinquo in portuguese ).

So 2 termas at short distance or the same one ?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you guys are right, it sucks now. No good looking girls, bad attitudes, Help is no more, high prices, nobody in the termas etc., etc. I suggest you all stay home and enjoy the delights there. For example, go to AMS and enjoy your 15 minutes behind the windows (although I have to admit I have had some good 15 minutes there). Or go do your wives and GFs.

Let's talk about reality. For the record, there has been some misinformation spread here. Luk, I don't know what you are drinking or smoking, but a caipirinha in L'uomo is R14 not 25 as you have stated (and "confirmed"). I just went there and had a 40 min session, two drinks for me and my girl plus drinks for a couple of old friends and the damage was about R370. (In case you doubt it was 2Xcaipirinhas, red bull, 2X Amarulo, and Jack Daniels (for Pietra)). IMHO, comparing prices for 1hr sessions is also misleading. Some places put a premium on this becuase it includes the "suite", others like 4X4 sort of "throw it in" for very litte. Personally, I almost never go for this except at 4X4 where, truth be told, the hour is more like 45 minutes. YMMV.

The one thing that is true is that the upper tier places are quiter now. Most likely due to the economy but this is fine for me. More selction, no waiting. On the other hand on the lower tier, 22 was hopping. Also some smoking ladies there -- but just IMHO. Maybe if you are hung up on the loire, silicone etc. of places like Centaurus you would not agree. And if you are expecting air conditioning in the cabine, definitely don't go there.

Rio is what it is. It is not Disney Land. Thank god for that.

Personally, I love it -- good times and bad. And there are no bad times!

[quote=slimholedrill]yeah, you guys are right, it sucks now. no good looking girls, bad attitudes, help is no more, high prices, nobody in the termas etc., etc. i suggest you all stay home and enjoy the delights there. for example, go to ams and enjoy your 15 minutes behind the windows (although i have to admit i have had some good 15 minutes there). or go do your wives and gfs.

let's talk about reality. for the record, there has been some misinformation spread here. luk, i don't know what you are drinking or smoking, but a caipirinha in l'uomo is r14 not 25 as you have stated (and "confirmed"). i just went there and had a 40 min session, two drinks for me and my girl plus drinks for a couple of old friends and the damage was about r370. (in case you doubt it was 2xcaipirinhas, red bull, 2x amarulo, and jack daniels (for pietra)). imho, comparing prices for 1hr sessions is also misleading. some places put a premium on this becuase it includes the "suite", others like 4x4 sort of "throw it in" for very litte. personally, i almost never go for this except at 4x4 where, truth be told, the hour is more like 45 minutes. ymmv.

the one thing that is true is that the upper tier places are quiter now. most likely due to the economy but this is fine for me. more selction, no waiting. on the other hand on the lower tier, 22 was hopping. also some smoking ladies there -- but just imho. maybe if you are hung up on the loire, silicone etc. of places like centaurus you would not agree. and if you are expecting air conditioning in the cabine, definitely don't go there.

rio is what it is. it is not disney land. thank god for that.

personally, i love it -- good times and bad. and there are no bad times![/quote]

rofl. this equates with my experience, although i basically concentrate on the lower price tier - all brilliant. i never liked silicone land and prefer exploring and working for it than having it dished up disney-style.

for instance - one night at vm - started with a 19yr old who was obviously too good to be true. hilarious time when i left pockets within reach i knew she would try unsuccessfully to get her hand in. but she was too tight and gripping my hand in different ways with her pussy as we ´argued´ over my trousers i´d given her as a pillow and she even went so far as to ´demonstrate´she was honest afterwards by finding a coin i had dropped for me. this was a classic chase and tease situation and, as long as you could handle it, was a hell of a lot of fun. she also had the best body i´ve seen for ages.

next that night i went to what i call the tlc bar cos every girl i have ever had there gives gfe. and also nice not having to keep my wits about me - and a nice inside bar for genuine dancing (rather than highspeed booty shaking, which i also like to watch - both better than the very artificial slow-mo stuff served up cicciolina´s). lots of dfk and telling the mama to f off when time was up.

after catching up with a few girls from years before - bianca who can charm the socks off everyone i´ve taken to vm but once saved the day and maybe my ass in a bar fight standing up to several drunken gringo twats; and luma, a barra girl who i love doing photos with though i didn´t have my camera with me - i see an awesome girl in the second or third casa along. she had expensive blonde hair extensions to her waist, perfectly combined so the joins were invisible. make up 10/10. she looked a figure of perfection, even by rioshopping standards, but she obviously knew it and i didn´t expect a personality to match. i noticed a few of guys would approach her like puppies and go away again. many brasilians only bring enough cash for one girl and a couple of beers. this girl had the cheek to charge an extra r5 over the going rate. i paid. in the room she was very professional, turning on a delicate charm, sensitive caresses, light touches with fingertips and lips. very classy, but with a standard no-no on bbbj (i teased her on completa, but didn´t want to haggle over any extra costs).

i was buzzing all night.

second best p4p experience was a wild tln girl who got off on having alcohol rubbed into her pussy. also very pretty, and she pretended for a long time she was not programma.

but the highlights of my stay - although that night was excellent - were still the technical rehearsals at sambodrome, finding new p4p places, making new brasilian friends, the kindness and time brasilians will take, things we should learn from them instead of exporting our western vision, and finding new experiences. for people who do not like to push boundaries, i am also happy if they find that brasil is no longer for them and seek other sexpat destinations.

[QUOTE=Abzsafado]Are you talking about El Cids?[/QUOTE]
I think so - I can never remember the name as I don´t eat there that often, but it is a nice spot of ´normality´in the midst of all the p4p going on all around and constantly walking past in full view. And the food is ok and I don´t have to worry about ´mistakes´on the bill.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]...
Let's talk about reality. For the record, there has been some misinformation spread here. Luk, I don't know what you are drinking or smoking, but a caipirinha in L'uomo is R14 not 25 as you have stated (and "confirmed"). I just went there and had a 40 min session, two drinks for me and my girl plus drinks for a couple of old friends and the damage was about R370. (In case you doubt it was 2Xcaipirinhas, red bull, 2X Amarulo, and Jack Daniels (for Pietra)). IMHO, comparing prices for 1hr sessions is also misleading. Some places put a premium on this becuase it includes the "suite"....[/QUOTE]

I had to took the suite cause the girl said too much time, around one hour to wait for the cabine, I went to reception to ask and she told me to ask to the woman who clean the bedrooms.... and believe it or not I smoke nothing and drink even less, that's was my bill.

And also I am happy if you have great time here, I just share my experience, if for me here now is worst, maybe it can be even better for you.

Remember the mongers in Rio members of this forum are very little % and every time I talk with somebody at Balcony, at Termas, they almost all agree is not so good as before, should I give them the address of this web site to not be the only one disappointed here ? :D


[QUOTE=Voyajer1]...In order to get to Termas 81 you have to cross Rua do Rosario on Rua da Quintada....[/QUOTE]

Hey the terma is small, dark inside, at first floor, 100 reais 40 minute ?

If yes, I was been there, if not, later this day I will check...thanks anyway...

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Remember the mongers in Rio members of this forum are very little % and every time I talk with somebody at Balcony, at Termas, they almost all agree is not so good as before, should I give them the address of this web site to not be the only one disappointed here ? :D[/QUOTE]Am I reading this wrong are you threatening to inform the GDP's at balcony and the termas of this web site?

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Remember the mongers in Rio members of this forum are very little % and every time I talk with somebody at Balcony, at Termas, they almost all agree is not so good as before, should I give them the address of this web site to not be the only one disappointed here?[/QUOTE]Is it me or does it sound like lukasek is threatening to share this web site with the terma and balcany GDP's.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
Remember the mongers in Rio members of this forum are very little % and every time I talk with somebody at Balcony, at Termas, they almost all agree is not so good as before, should I give them the address of this web site to not be the only one disappointed here ? :D
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fatkatrio]Is it me or does it sound like lukasek is threatening to share this web site with the terma and balcany GDP's.[/QUOTE]

I think you are misreading what he wrote. I think he was talking about giving the address of this web site to mongers in Rio who are not members of this forum.

[QUOTE=Fatkatrio]Am I reading this wrong are you threatening to inform the GDP's at balcony and the termas of this web site?[/QUOTE]While it's not the easiest to always read the email, I read that Lukasek was saying (in a sarcastic manner) that maybe he should ask some of the other mongers to contribute their insight into how horrible Rio is at this moment, so that he wouldn't be the only one to say that things are not looking good right now.

That's how I read it.

[QUOTE=The Watcher]I think you are misreading what he wrote. I think he was talking about giving the address of this web site to mongers in Rio who are not members of this forum.[/QUOTE]


I also believe Lukasek is talking about giving the website address to other guys who are commenting to him about how the scene has changed for the worst in Rio.

There is no threat here.

Lukasek is very clear in saying the scene is disappointing for him. He is clear that for others it may be just fine.

I have chatted for several friends who are in Rio and some who just left. They back up Lukasek's assessment of the Balcony and the attitudes of some of the termas girls. Indeed they did find the scene to be different and in some ways disappointing.

Sorry for that in my last report but having just finished a marvelous evening, all of the doom and gloom seemed ludicrous. Also, I felt that giving the wrong price for a caipirinha at L'uomo (it's 14 not 25) was unfairly adding to this idea that everyone is just trying to cheat you. And that it could damage the reputations of a fine old institution.

I understand the sentiments being expressed. Not to get too lterary, but Rio is a metaphor for the lovely Cairioca herself. Because she can be so wonderful, it is all the worse when she takes it away. But the great thing about them both is that there is always something else just around the corner.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just giving my take and striving for some accuracy. Now, if you want to talk about what really sucks in Rio, we can talk about traffic. Especially during carnival.

Enjoy (if you can).

[QUOTE=The Windex Man]While it's not the easiest to always read the email, I read that Lukasek was saying (in a sarcastic manner) that maybe he should ask some of the other mongers to contribute their insight into how horrible Rio is at this moment, so that he wouldn't be the only one to say that things are not looking good right now.

That's how I read it.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys, sorry for my english and please trust me, I never gave this address to a woman, I will never give, why should I do this ?!

I also put a smile, as I meant it was just a joke between US here.

Take a look to the photos I posted in photo gallery, I deleted every single little tatoo, gold chain, ring, cause I do not want to give problem to nobody, I never posted a photo of girl here with face, I even avoided to write my bad experience with the foreigner who rented me the apt, that's the kind of guy I am.

This forum is our secret weapon to get to know where to go, how to behave and so on and it was for me in the last 5 years, I think twice even to give this address to some "monger", as I do not think we need more members here if they are the typical gringo I know it all...

And I think 3 times before to tell about termas with some "gringo" too, cause the last thing I want is to have termas, the best thing for me here, ruined from tons of "turists" that maybe will even tip the girls in terma....

Some gringo do not deserve to know all the precious things we share here, some are happy enough with the sharks at Balcony, I let them live happy and thinking they are gonna to get the best Rio can offer :D



Some updates.... yesterday was the 4 times in 4 days I saw terma girls at Balcony, the first day I smiled, now no more...

Between them 2 blondes, from L'uomo, left alone after about one hour. I have no idea about the prices they ask for, but hey they are nice, why they did not get customer is beyond me. Maybe cause at Balcony men end to hanging around, drinks and talk with less will to buy sex.

I talk yesterday with a friend at 4x4 about the daily coming of terma girls to Balcony and she said, that's why she left MC, not only for the bad attitude of the owner ( the big guy with long black shave ) but also cause too little business.

I talk with 2 guys from NY I met at Shenanigan's last week, the fun of the evening was to watch and to joke the girls, the way they play, the way they try to look like special and better than the other girls.

I was thinking to take home a nice tall, thin morena from Bahia, she wanted 250 reais, not so bad and when I asked her, why one so nice as you are is still alone at around 3:00 am ?!?
She told me cause men are asking and wanting her to do strange things in sex ?!?!?!

I asked her which ones ?

She said....oral sem capote !!!!! And I laugh....
I told her, I like only oral without and anal too, she told me I could forget anal with her and...see you later....

After such an hour she came back and said, let's go ?
I told her hey OWO or not ?
She said...if you will wash your dick very well ( first time I listen such an obvious request...).

I told her, ok but 200 reais. She said no ! I told her, hey it is later and I am more tired and in less mood of sex....she left after a while alone with her female friends.....guys, she was nice, but the lack of normal conversation cause you stand up, the way they want to close the deal in a while, the fact yesterday afternoon another great session ( 1 hour 284 reais ) at 4x4, so I thought who cares ?

Now I go to the beach and then again to 4x4, I am making a lot of friends there, I feel there very good.
Think yesterday I spoke with one of the guys normally dressed that sit down in front of receptions, I guess they are gerente or domo, I told them how I like 4x4, much better than all the the others termas but with one mistake that it is closed on saturday and sunday.....they told me they will open in couple of months a new terma open on weekend and the place will be at the end of avenida rio branco. When I took the taxi, I asked him, he said it will be the rio antigo terma changing name or something like that. ( I have no idea where is rio antigo terma...).
But at the end of avenida rio branco on the right side he showed me a high building with blue and yellow big sign ITAU, it should be there, that's what I understand.

P.S. about caipirinha, guys I could care less to talk shit or to lie, if I wrote 25 it is cause it was 25 reais. Was it their mistake or what else I do not know. I remember I read 25 in my bill, do not believe me, it is fine for me, but for sure I am not here to try to ruin an old institution of Rio, so far as I never got bad experiences at L'uomo.

Btw we are very close to Carnival right ? Cause ok, I never went to sambodrome, but in Copa I do not have this feeling, yet the same girls of 3 weeks ago, no new entry between the girls.

Thanks for the guys understood my point, what I meant with the joke of share this website with mongers !

picked up great r150 for 2 hour meia pataca girl. had sex for more than 2 hours. changed my sheets when done while i was in shower.

had bad session at ba 502. great session at 4x4.

received many numbers at balcony. meia pataca girl now serving tables at balcony.

helpee girls seen crying because of balcony is rough for them. heavy police presence at balcony.

partied at pussy cat club near balcony, 2 days in row.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hey guys, sorry for my english and please trust me, I never gave this address to a woman, I will never give, why should I do this?!

I also put a smile, as I meant it was just a joke between US here.

Take a look to the photos I posted in photo gallery, I deleted every single little tatoo, gold chain, ring, cause I do not want to give problem to nobody, I never posted a photo of girl here with face, I even avoided to write my bad experience with the foreigner who rented me the apt, that's the kind of guy I am.

This forum is our secret weapon to get to know where to go, how to behave and so on and it was for me in the last 5 years, I think twice even to give this address to some "monger", as I do not think we need more members here if they are the typical gringo I know it all.

And I think 3 times before to tell about termas with some "gringo" too, cause the last thing I want is to have termas, the best thing for me here, ruined from tons of "turists" that maybe will even tip the girls in terma.

Some gringo do not deserve to know all the precious things we share here, some are happy enough with the sharks at Balcony, I let them live happy and thinking they are going to to get the best Rio can offer

Some updates. Yesterday was the 4 times in 4 days I saw terma girls at Balcony, the first day I smiled, now no more.

Between them 2 blondes, from L'uomo, left alone after about one hour. I have no idea about the prices they ask for, but hey they are nice, why they did not get customer is beyond me. Maybe cause at Balcony men end to hanging around, drinks and talk with less will to buy sex.

I talk yesterday with a friend at 4x4 about the daily coming of terma girls to Balcony and she said, that's why she left MC, not only for the bad attitude of the owner (the big guy with long black shave) but also cause too little business.

I talk with 2 guys from NY I met at Shenanigan's last week, the fun of the evening was to watch and to joke the girls, the way they play, the way they try to look like special and better than the other girls.

I was thinking to take home a nice tall, thin morena from Bahia, she wanted 250 reais, not so bad and when I asked her, why one so nice as you are is still alone at around 3:00 am?!

She told me cause men are asking and wanting her to do strange things in sex?!!!

I asked her which ones?

She said. Oral sem capote! And I laugh.

I told her, I like only oral without and anal too, she told me I could forget anal with her and. See you later.

After such an hour she came back and said, let's go?

I told her hey OWO or not?

She said. If you will wash your dick very well (first time I listen such an obvious request.).

I told her, ok but 200 reais. She said no! I told her, hey it is later and I am more tired and in less mood of sex. She left after a while alone with her female friends. Guys, she was nice, but the lack of normal conversation cause you stand up, the way they want to close the deal in a while, the fact yesterday afternoon another great session (1 hour 284 reais) at 4x4, so I thought who cares?

Now I go to the beach and then again to 4x4, I am making a lot of friends there, I feel there very good.

Think yesterday I spoke with one of the guys normally dressed that sit down in front of receptions, I guess they are gerente or domo, I told them how I like 4x4, much better than all the the others termas but with one mistake that it is closed on Saturday and Sunday. They told me they will open in couple of months a new terma open on weekend and the place will be at the end of avenida Rio branco. When I took the taxi, I asked him, he said it will be the Rio antigo terma changing name or something like that. (I have no idea where is Rio antigo terma.).

But at the end of avenida Rio branco on the right side he showed me a high building with blue and yellow big sign ITAU, it should be there, that's what I understand.

P.S. About caipirinha, guys I could care less to talk shit or to lie, if I wrote 25 it is cause it was 25 reais. Was it their mistake or what else I do not know. I remember I read 25 in my bill, do not believe me, it is fine for me, but for sure I am not here to try to ruin an old institution of Rio, so far as I never got bad experiences at L'uomo.

BTW we are very close to Carnival right? Cause ok, I never went to sambodrome, but in Copa I do not have this feeling, yet the same girls of 3 weeks ago, no new entry between the girls.

Thanks for the guys understood my point, what I meant with the joke of share this website with mongers![/QUOTE]Lukasek,

You have always contributed to this forum in a respectful way. Don't let a few people say otherwise. I enjoy reading your posts. They are always good. I will be back in Rio soon myself, was last there sep/oct 09. Went to patong / phuket Thailand for Christmas and new year and am going back to patong for 31 days from 19th febuary. Then 3 or 4 trips to brazil this year.

If Rio is crap, I will book for 1 week there then hit fortaleza or natal for 2 to 4 weeks. I enjoy your reports keep writing them.

[quote=jamaicanceo]

helpee girls seen crying because of balcony is rough for them. heavy police presence at balcony.

[/quote]

jamaicanceo, could you provide more detail on these two things. what did you mean by too rough for them? how?

and when you say heavy police presence, do you mean they are walking among the crowd asking for ids? or are they standing there watching everything you do, every girl you talk to and leave with?

[quote=bravo]jamaicanceo, could you provide more detail on these two things. what did you mean by too rough for them? how?

and when you say heavy police presence, do you mean they are walking among the crowd asking for ids? or are they standing there watching everything you do, every girl you talk to and leave with?[/quote]point one, "too rough" the local favela girls are a balcony in larger numbers because the gringo crowd from "barbarella" and "helpee" is now at balcony. at my table tuesday night, for example, discussion included girls who complained about the number of woman out populating the men, and the girls are asking for r150-r200 per 2 hours or more depending on the gringos chemistry or the relief of the girl finally finding a client. many girls go home without clients. one of the girls is a white "barbarella" (monica with slanted eyes) who returned from the smelling balcony restroom crying because the environment does not reflect the tranquility of helpee. she got caught in a girl fight near the restrooms, and returned to start tearing up and complaining she can't make money like this. then polianna (morena with nice breast job) chimed in about working between balcony, barbarella and the pussycat strip club to make up for what she lost from helpee. different quality of girls is what is making it rough. plus the panhandling in front of balcony is more aggressive than helpee. with the playboy gringo crowd with a buyers gdp market is more volatile amongst the girls. even in front of dolce vita seems more volatile. i saw some crazy helpee girls looking intimidated. its even rough to get tables served at balcony.

my meia pataca friend who now serves tables at balcony also explained to me the problems of the girls. it forced her to get a job at balcony. several other mp girl told me today they are looking for regular jobs, because helpee is gone and balcony is not their thing! money from sex is less for the regular girls, and outside girls are working cheaper up and down atlantica.

point two, "heavy police presence" is what is state. many police cars and suv on the street and at times one vehicle would drive on the sidewalk in front of balcony where the kids beg the tables for food and money. at the same time the police have their emergency red lights on top of their vehicles flashing, similar as the police standing near new metro station entrance in large numbers with military rifles. rios favela problem is getting out of control with it's nonfavela crowd and favela crowd mixing at balcony and other places.

also balcony is for sale! the american owner is rumored to be stressed by balcony's new "high profile" gdp scene! i have two more days after getting a note from a doctor. i picked up many numbers from, balcony and pussycat to call.

[QUOTE=JohnnyBraz]Lukasek,

You have always contributed to this forum in a respectful way. Don't let a few people say otherwise. I enjoy reading your posts.[/QUOTE]

JohnnyBraz,

thanks for your kind words, I have still to share and to report my session at Centaurus and the last one at 4x4, so still something interesting to be read and then my final thoughts of these 3 weeks in Rio, probably the kind of reports will make feel somebody depressed, but surely no fake or bullshit reports from me, just my, personal, point of view, nothing more than that.

[QUOTE=Bravo]...And when you say heavy police presence, do you mean they are walking among the crowd asking for IDs? Or are they standing there watching everything you do, every girl you talk to and leave with?[/QUOTE]

Bravo,

every night I saw two police cars on the left and right of the balcony, I never saw them asking or talking with turists, neither asking ID, they just watch and care about what happens. Remember around of Balcony there are many children asking money, often guys playing capoeira and then asking money and yes, not only nice faces, but for me now from Balcony until Prado Junior looks like million times safer than when Help was still alive.

Balcony now, especially around Balcony is a really ugly zoo to my eyes with the ONLY good thing you pay no entrance and instead of hot beer from Balcony bar, after long waiting and for 6,60 reais I buy one from the seller close to Balcony, just couple of meters far, for 2,50 reais and not only me, but I saw many do this, cheaper and faster too.

And so far as the 80% of person around Balcony just stand up, now it miss only one that will rent the chairs.... :D

had been looking forward to rio but have to agree with several others that it is high priced for not that great quality.
went to l'uomo and about 10 girls and found only one i
could go for and she said her name was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] (airplane blonde) but her
kisses were not dfk and so i passed especially with high prices quoted.

next day went to 4x4 and btw thanks to bubba boy for his excellent
guide to rio. there should be a superstar category and i would nominate him.

anyway, large selection but quality for me was not great but then i
saw a shy really cute girl and not usually my type, thin, very petite (think mia farrow). she said she was 19 and looked extremely innocent and i had a hard time getting her attention. every time i made eye contact and smiled, she would look away. it got to be a challenge and finally, she smiled and came over and quickly began dfk. ok, cabine but in the room looking at her body, i felt like a child molester since i usually am a big boob kind of guy and the more i looked at this tiny body, the more i was turned off. will know better in the future.

also, went to termas on same street as 4x4, especially the one with 4 or 5 floors up a very narrow stairway. interesting and supposedly very cheap. i guess you get what you pay for and i did not want any of them even if it were free. went to another one on the street and same story.
one more closer to main large street was closed.

bottomline, comparing china, thailand, brazil, the best for my money is still the fkks in germany.

gglee,

thanks for the report and i'm glad that i haven't bought my ticket yet. i was strongly thinking about switching things up this year and making a

columbia trip instead, but i have a serious addiction to thick, phat asses (andressa soares. mmmmmmmm; tatiana at mp. mmmmmmm), so i don't think fkk is an option for me, even though i've seen it recommended and am curious.

also thailand is not an option, as every picture i've seen, the women there have flat, pancake asses. just not my cup of tea; just like some guys may find the big jelly asses disgusting as well. not me! when i saw my first brazilian porno (luana. mmmmm), i was hooked and realized that i have got to go there! basically what i'm saying is that based on what i truly, truly like in a woman, it's going to be very tough to sway me from brazil regardless of the average to bad reviews because of their bodies and the bomb ass sex in bed with more women offering up the asshole than anywhere else i've ever been. however if there's another spot that is on par or close to being on par with brazil in terms of those phat asses, please let me know and i'll check it out!

anyway, back to your report, did you check out meia pattaca / balcony? if you did, i'm curious what you thought of the scene.

on a side note, shit, i didn't know there were any thin chicks in 4x4! them chicks are thick, man! got damn, i love that place!

[quote=gglee]had been looking forward to rio but have to agree with several others that it is high priced for not that great quality.

went to l'uomo and about 10 girls and found only one i

could go for and she said her name was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] (airplane blonde) but her

kisses were not dfk and so i passed especially with high prices quoted.

next day went to 4x4 and btw thanks to bubba boy for his excellent

guide to rio. there should be a superstar category and i would nominate him.

anyway, large selection but quality for me was not great but then i

saw a shy really cute girl and not usually my type, thin, very petite (think mia farrow). she said she was 19 and looked extremely innocent and i had a hard time getting her attention. every time i made eye contact and smiled, she would look away. it got to be a challenge and finally, she smiled and came over and quickly began dfk. ok, cabine but in the room looking at her body, i felt like a child molester since i usually am a big boob kind of guy and the more i looked at this tiny body, the more i was turned off. will know better in the future.

also, went to termas on same street as 4x4, especially the one with 4 or 5 floors up a very narrow stairway. interesting and supposedly very cheap. i guess you get what you pay for and i did not want any of them even if it were free. went to another one on the street and same story.

one more closer to main large street was closed.

bottomline, comparing china, thailand, brazil, the best for my money is still the fkks in germany.[/quote]

gglee,

when i wrote something similar i was almost banned :d

i agree with you, but it is hard somebody can understand or believe you without try fkk...

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] at l'uomo looks nice there, but totally average in a fkk....

the cheap terma have really ugly girls, i am surprised some supposed to be normal guys are able to fuck them....

however thanks so much for your report, i feel less lonely now :d

maybe i should post this at the carnival section but the topic is not about carnival but about places where i should go during carnival to have a good time. with the chicas that is.
i understood helpee is gone and balcony seems not similar. correct me if i'm wrong.

maybe because of carnival, places will act different ? i just don't know.
please lead me in the right direction : i have only 5 nights in rio before continueing to buzios and i don't like to waste 3 nights by searching on the field only.

i don't mind to spend a few bucks but a mixed crowd of fl's or girls who are looking for an extra support are more my style over pro's.

thanks for the input guys ! i'm in rio next friday !

[quote=asianatic]maybe i should post this at the carnival section but the topic is not about carnival but about places where i should go during carnival to have a good time. with the chicas that is.
i understood helpee is gone and balcony seems not similar. correct me if i'm wrong.

maybe because of carnival, places will act different ? i just don't know.
please lead me in the right direction : i have only 5 nights in rio before continueing to buzios and i don't like to waste 3 nights by searching on the field only.

i don't mind to spend a few bucks but a mixed crowd of fl's or girls who are looking for an extra support are more my style over pro's.

thanks for the input guys ! i'm in rio next friday ![/quote]

asianatic - you maybe could give more info (eg your knowledge of the city, whether you have some porto etc) so helpful answers could be offered. the hottest thing in rio during carnaval is carnaval. whether the area around the official competition or the parties rep001tered thru the city. to come for five days during carnaval but not for carnaval is kinda weird to me, but i am sure there are reasons. best i can say is that some of the high end termas will probably close. the low end won´t give a damn. if you know rio well you will have no trouble. if you don´t - as i guess from your mention of balcony and help - my guess is you won´t find much change in balcony to how it has been the past few weeks beyond perhaps a nominal attempt to cash in.

much of rio carries on as if nothing was happening during carnaval. it is not as you have to take part. if balcony and help was your scene, you can sometimes find freelancers in the late night botequims and sucos bars along ns copa. if you want to spend money and do the higher end, you will probably spend a lot more money cos it is carnaval and parties are not cheap, even if you can get a ticket.

hope you find what you are looking for. it seems some people don´t these days.

With the exchange rate and a healthier Real, perhaps Rio is not the place it was for some people. But for others Brasil is still the best place in the world, and this is the Brasil forum, so I am inclined to defend it - I trust that is ok with people?

With FKK in Germany, you can plan it like a package tour. Same for Thailand. Go in, pay your money, know what to expect and you get it. My feeling is that Brasil, especially Rio, is maybe offering less of the ´package tour sex´ that people could find before. I am sorry that some nice guys on here have not had the time of their lives, but labelling it as a write off, labelling the high end as worthless or the low end as ugly is not a statement of fact, simply your experience. Yes, you may have spoken to gringos who agree with you - but like attracts like. I have spoken to gringos who agree more with my experience (and one or two gentlemen who agree to differ).

My expertise is not in the high end. But I urge you to listen to someone like Euro who [i]does[/i] know how to work the high end termas (and is also a fan of FKK). Notice I said ´work.´ He uses a lot of style and technique, so check out his reports next time he posts on 4x4. Maybe it was the case that if you were not familiar with Brasilian ways, didn´t smile a lot, didn´t know how to make them laugh, suss out the genuine from the cash extractors, you could still get an acceptable time by spreading the odds. But now when you pay more, you naturally expect a higher return on ´hits´ - which is only reasonable. But perhaps you will have to work harder for it now. So you may find other countries satisfy your requirements better if you do not like the sound of it.

With the ´low end´ - yes, there are always many ugly girls. Partly cos anyone can work those places. Partly cos the stars are usually busy when you look, or only come out for a few hours, or only work certain nights, or only accept customers they like the look of. So again, you have to work at it - but that has always been the case in places like Mimosa. I am not just talking a matter of taste. I cannot post photos while travelling, but have posted comparison shots before and most of the board agreed that some of the best looking girls were from the low end places. I´m in Belem now after a fabulous few weeks in Rio and have mostly been to the midrange here - top end Belem rates - and it has been quite awesome. But people will not want to come to Belem. It offers things on a plate much less than Rio. And you may complain that it is possible to get killed - probably costs less than the 10 real going rate in Rio but falliing over and breaking your neck is equally possible.

One of the reasons I like Brasil it cos it is an adventure. For those that seek that, it is still here. For those that want to fly in for a couple of weeks and have everything the same as it is back home but with beautiful cheap bunda on a plate . . . Let´s see, would you go to a top club in NY or your own country, dressed like a pratt (in local terms), quibble about the price, act like a redneck, mooch around with a long face maybe and then complain that you couldn´t find any good nights of passion with groovy women? Of course not. Thailand will accommodate. Brasil is more choosy.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]
Also Balcony is for sale! The American owner is rumored to be stressed by Balcony's new "high profile" GDP scene! [/QUOTE]

Interesting comment. When I was in Rio some months ago I was sitting in TA and speaking to some guys at the next table. They told me they were going to Balcony bar and that they spoke to the American who owns the place and they said he can't wait for Help to close. He was looking for the additional business. Seems like this would be the best time to sell the place anyway with all the crowds, a prospective buyer might think that this place has a booming business. Might be booming now but who knows what the future holds for this place, the Governor might not like the ugly scene there either and close it down or the crowd could move on if another club opens up nearby.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]Thursday, 28 Jan. 4X4: 1 hour, small room, Coke Zero came to R276.00 with credit card.

Tuesday, 26 Jan. Monte Carlo: 1 hour, small room and I water came to R459.00 with credit card.[/QUOTE]CEO,

Why the huge difference in prices? Has MC gone that far up? Holy shit!!

[quote=asianatic]maybe i should post this at the carnival section but the topic is not about carnival but about places where i should go during carnival to have a good time. with the chicas that is.
i understood helpee is gone and balcony seems not similar. correct me if i'm wrong.

maybe because of carnival, places will act different ? i just don't know.
please lead me in the right direction : i have only 5 nights in rio before continueing to buzios and i don't like to waste 3 nights by searching on the field only.

i don't mind to spend a few bucks but a mixed crowd of fl's or girls who are looking for an extra support are more my style over pro's.

thanks for the input guys ! i'm in rio next friday ![/quote]

i don't like carnaval no more that's why i am leaving on tuesday. it is not the way it used to be anymore.

imho you have to go and see at least once in your lifetime the parade in sabodromo. no matter how much you pay for the ticket. unfortunately black market prices in the last minute that you are coming. try to go sunday or monday night. don't know which one samba schools parade when but others might help on that. it matters.

furthermore try to get a ticket and go to the flamengo soccer group party called vermelho e preto ( red and black). don't know what grounds they are using now but it's worth going. also to the one held in the club of syrio e libanes (syrians and lebanese) in the lagoa area.

there used to be many more parties before. don't know any more now.

one thing tho. watch your belongings and your pockets very well. don't carry with you anything you can't afford to loose and definitely no passport or credit cards.

if you want to score for free it all depends on your looks, charm, age, the way you move in the samba beat and the lingo. same as everywhere in other words.

balcony is exactly the way it was the area outside help but smaller. lots of doable garotas last thursday night after midnight. no disco tho.

most of the termas will be closed during carnival. might be an exception with monte carlo up to saturday i guess. downtown ones all close for sure.

hope it helps.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
Bravo,

every night I saw two police cars on the left and right of the balcony, I never saw them asking or talking with turists, neither asking ID, they just watch and care about what happens. Remember around of Balcony there are many children asking money, often guys playing capoeira and then asking money and yes, not only nice faces, but for me now from Balcony until Prado Junior looks like million times safer than when Help was still alive.
[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong but has there not always been a police box beside balcony usually with a car beside it?

Keep up the good work Lukasek, I always find your reports refreshingly good.

reading this short article about the othon hotels getting an investment from the government sheds some light for me as to why they closed helpee. with helpee open the rio othon palace hotel was a dog of a hotel, no one would stay there and no one would make an investment in it. now that helpee is closed the government is making an investment in the hotel and i'm willing to bet many government officials knew this and have stock in the hotel, it's about greed.

[url]http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/hoteis-othon-surges-on-brazilian-hotel-financing-update1-.html[/url]

In regards to comments that the Copa termas are closed during Carnaval, I don't know about this year, but last year, both MC and L'Ouomo were opened during Carnaval. The only major terma which was closed during Carnaval lastyear was 4X4 which only opened on the wednesday after Carnaval.

[quote=sangue bon]interesting comment. when i was in rio some months ago i was sitting in ta and speaking to some guys at the next table. they told me they were going to balcony bar and that they spoke to the american who owns the place and they said he can't wait for help to close. he was looking for the additional business. seems like this would be the best time to sell the place anyway with all the crowds, a prospective buyer might think that this place has a booming business. might be booming now but who knows what the future holds for this place, the governor might not like the ugly scene there either and close it down or the crowd could move on if another club opens up nearby.[/quote]i am sending this reply from atlanta, as i am done with this trip. reflecting on it all, it's all speculation. i was before i left i heard the opposite that he wanted to sell, so we do not know of anything until it happens. even the new replacement for helpee, the meridian, is a rumor control issue. but service there is a serious issue. my friends and i got a tower of warm beer without fizz, and it took them a hout to decide to change it, and almost another hour to change it. and the owner's good looking wife who handles the money, carol, needs an attitude adjustment. maybe she's made because she can't make herself extra money at helpee anymore while her old man is running balcony. and taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in their hot and smelly bathroom can definitely sober up a deadman.

[QUOTE=Redsox911]CEO,

Why the huge difference in prices? Has MC gone that far up? Holy shit!![/QUOTE]The only reason in the downtown termas and the Copa ones are the who visits. I'm thinking that downtown has more of a local crowd and Copa are tourists. When was at 4x4 last November I met 2 Brazil army officers who said they others they know visit 4x4 and other for downtown termas for the lack of gringoes. But I went to Cancun and an hour with a girl and one drink was under R300.00. But the chick I sessioned with at Cancun played with the TV for some reason, didn't like me slapping her butt for her marido might see my hand prints on her ass, and she dressed and left the locker-room and returned.

Her name is Vivianne. She's cute and has a nice body.

So I say that 4x4 is the best bang for your buck.

[QUOTE=Abzsafado]Correct me if I am wrong but has there not always been a police box beside balcony usually with a car beside it?

Keep up the good work Lukasek, I always find your reports refreshingly good.[/QUOTE]

If you are in front of Balcony, on the left there always been box police and often, but not always a car too. But now there is a car on the right of Balcony too, going to princesa isabela just to understand. At least that's what I saw.

I will keep....thanks !

A few meters on the right of balcon (when you watch the ocean) there is a night club. lLast night 11 pm there was a queue to get in. Anyone been there to say if it is worth it ?

[QUOTE=Chercheur]A few meters on the right of balcon (when you watch the ocean) there is a night club. lLast night 11 pm there was a queue to get in. Anyone been there to say if it is worth it ?[/QUOTE]
There´s Doce Vita for programmas (love it or hate it - I liked it when I got a girl who could dance and didn´t hustle and stayed all night etc etc). A few yards further along is a non-programma club.

[QUOTE=El Greco]Don't know which one samba schools parade when but others might help on that. It matters.
[/QUOTE]

Have posted the list on the carnaval thread. Parties - see any travel agent.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]... And taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in their hot and smelly bathroom can definitely sober up a deadman.[/QUOTE]

LOL !

Nobody wrote about it, but the toilet at Balcony is the worst I saw in Rio, fucking hot and smell as if they clean it once per year.

I know....who cares, right ? But sooner or later beer after beer, you will have to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]....

[QUOTE=Lukasek]LOL !

Nobody wrote about it, but the toilet at Balcony is the worst I saw in Rio, fucking hot and smell as if they clean it once per year.

I know....who cares, right ? But sooner or later beer after beer, you will have to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]....[/QUOTE]

The downstairs bathroom, that you had to use at Terraço Atlântico was also a nightmare, literally you had to hold your breath, perhaps they designed the Balcony [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] room? This had to have been the worst smelling bathroom in the world I have visited!

[QUOTE=Buscemi]The downstairs bathroom, that you had to use at Terraço Atlântico was also a nightmare, literally you had to hold your breath, perhaps they designed the Balcony [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] room? This had to have been the worst smelling bathroom in the world I have visited![/QUOTE]


Come to thailand, I can assure you there are worse here!!

[QUOTE=Buscemi] This had to have been the worst smelling bathroom in the world I have visited![/QUOTE]
Not even close. Try visiting some of the countries where they use squat toilets.

Getting bored in Balcony I went across the park to Pussy Cat, and I loved it.
Nice and funny girls, strip shows, relaxed athmosphere.

I would have gone out with some girls but didn't bring enough money. You need to pay your tab (15 R$ a drink), then 50 R$ barfine to take the lady out, about another 50 R$ for the nearby motel, and 200 R$ for the lady (initial figure is 300 R$, not sure it can get lower than 200 R$).

I think next time I'll bring some money, life is short after all.

[quote=jamaicanceo]i am sending this reply from atlanta, as i am done with this trip. reflecting on it all, it's all speculation. i was before i left i heard the opposite that he wanted to sell, so we do not know of anything until it happens. even the new replacement for helpee, the meridian, is a rumor control issue. but service there is a serious issue. my friends and i got a tower of warm beer without fizz, and it took them a hout to decide to change it, and almost another hour to change it. and the owner's good looking wife who handles the money, carol, needs an attitude adjustment. maybe she's made because she can't make herself extra money at helpee anymore while her old man is running balcony. and taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in their hot and smelly bathroom can definitely sober up a deadman.[/quote]why do you guys care about the beer and the service. i have my own beverages at my apt and i don't patronize businesses like balcony for exactly the reasons you speak about. i'm there strictly to see and possibly pick up a chick. honestly, i've never seen anything at balcony worth taking but i've been there a few times to look around. but i think we need to start hitting these businesses in the balls. stop buying shit from them. stop doing any business with them. just use their place to pick up chicks. this stuff is like a disease in brazil. people and businesses that offer terrible service but continue to do so because gringos like us keep giving them money. they have no reason to get your beer changed fast. why bother when you'll be back on your next trip buying beer again. we have to make them pay for treating us like shit.

[QUOTE=Mongmann]Why do you guys care about the beer and the service. I have my own beverages at my apt and I don't patronize businesses like balcony for exactly the reasons you speak about. I'm there strictly to see and possibly pick up a chick. Honestly, I've never seen anything at Balcony worth taking but I've been there a few times to look around. But I think we need to start hitting these businesses in the balls. Stop buying shit from them. Stop doing any business with them. Just use their place to pick up chicks. This stuff is like a disease in Brazil. People and businesses that offer terrible service but continue to do so because gringos like us keep giving them money. They have no reason to get your beer changed fast. Why bother when you'll be back on your next trip buying beer again. We have to make them pay for treating us like shit.[/QUOTE]You could be right. But I do no fly all the way to Rio to drink in my apartment. And before I choose a girl for the night, I like to watch as many as possible. Having cold beer towers with friends is fun. Plus a friend how helps me is an older working girl that I never had, and, will not have sex with knows many girls in Copa from and they sit at her table. And she works at the Pussy Cat, where Barbarella girls frequent. She steers girls to me that I like and the price is reasonable. So cold beer towers are important. One tall and one half cold tower and it's a night of watching and seeing enough girls to pick one or not.

The main issue with Balcony is that they do not use professional waiters like the other Copa restaurants. As a former restaurant owner, you do not hire busboys to be waiters to save money. I think if the American decides to keep Balcony, all the customer service issues will be fixed. It costs too much to fix things over and over, then to get it right the first-time.

But I do not go to Rio to penny-pinch or drink in my apartment. If that works for then I am glad for you.

[quote=sangue bon]reading this short article about the othon hotels getting an investment from the government sheds some light for me as to why they closed helpee. with helpee open the rio othon palace hotel was a dog of a hotel, no one would stay there and no one would make an investment in it. now that helpee is closed the government is making an investment in the hotel and i'm willing to bet many government officials knew this and have stock in the hotel, it's about greed.

[url]http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/hoteis-othon-surges-on-brazilian-hotel-financing-update1-.html[/url][/quote]


othon hotels are 'dogs' all over brazil ,and not only the one next to help.
othon bh is a mess.
othon sp is dumphole
etc.

and i am not not even speaking about the othon offsprings.
has anyone visited savoy othon in rio ? it is the ants capital of the world.

friendly advice:

stay out of any brazilian owned hotel.
stay away of any brazilian restaurant.
don't fly any brazilian airline.

just bang their women.

time to keep on reporting, at least for the ones who enjoyed my post ;)

so far as i banged the best girls, in my opinion, in the most famous termas and i did not want at such prices to get one i did not like much, i thought could be a good idea to try the rip off terma, the so called centaurus.

going there using my portoguese i asked taxi driver if he wanted to get commission as it was my first time there, he obviously said yes and i asked him how i could make to pay only entrance, cause as you know, at centaurus they try to make you pay in advance entrance+40 minutes before you even dress bathrobe.

he said, in portoguese, just tell they cannot sell entrance together sex and that's all !

at reception there were two guys already paying the 450 reais in advance, i told them why ? they told me, it is the way it works at c.

i patiently wait they went to lockers and when the man showed me the paper that explains all you can do in terma, the fact you pay 450 reais and you have 40 minutes with girl and etc....i told him i already was in.....4x4, luomo, montecarlo, solarium, 65, cancun, ancora in barra da recreio and i never paid in advance and i will never do, cause i am sure they cannot sell together entrance+sex, he smiled and said ok, 120 reais entrance.

almost the double entrance of the other termas, i know, but at least it was up to me if to bang a girl or not.

let's say it is true, there are a bit better looking girls than in the other termas. it is true that they are very pushy, but who cares ?

after i told the same sentence, agora quero fichar sozinho, ( now i want to stay alone ), to 4-5 girls, they immediately stop to come to me and i could drink in peace my beer and start to look around....

as you easily guess 99% are gringos, guess why....

i saw couple of blondes with total white skin they could be russian ones, the second one told me with a big smile she was obviously completa, a level, so i decided to take her.

her name was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], something as 160cm for 45 kg, long blond straight hair, i waited her for ages in bedroom, not good beginning but the best arrived when she told me, there is a problem ?!?

"i finished my gel". i told her, ask to one friend or find a new one, she said no....obviously i already understood how it could end, but it ended even worst....

she wanted to bj with condom, i said no and the bbbj was so sad it looks like more handjob, then she said we can try anal and obviously she feels pain and i did not insist more.

so i could complain, report to owner, get angry, but....so far as i know they are first of all human being and even if i can bet she is a real asshole, maybe she just had a bad day. i am not a kind of guy i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or i do something the girl do not like, no matter if she lies me a while before, i decided to take it all veeery easy and i just left the bedroom with no orgasm at all.

the girl who clean the room saw me get out of room quickly and after a while i went into and asked me if all was good.... i thought a while and i said with a big smile, yes all was great !

actually i did not care, i knew i was ripped off, but i took it as just losing money and i did not let to make this experience to make me get angry.

i thought to what to do next day as this was only one of the many times in this holiday rio dissappointed me.

i know that if [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] just had a bad day for whatever reason, she did not deserve to get some problems and if she lies all the times, sooner or later she will lie to brazilian one who could care less if she had finished the gel for anal sex.

probably some of you will not agree with me, but i feel just fine in this way.

it was for sure my last time at centaurus and as i will report later, probably even my last time in rio.

lifes is so short and so beautiful to let to one girl to make me angry for....not having good sex.

oh yes, i burned about 180 euro for nothing, lesson learned for sure !

however i do not have the feeling i choose the wrong girl, but that i went to wrong place where, more or less, all the girls behave in not the best "way".

cheers...but with smile :d

[QUOTE=Lukasek]So far as I banged the best girls, in my opinion, in the most famous termas and I did not want at such prices to get one I did not like much, I thought could be a good idea to try the rip off terma, the so called Centaurus.
[/QUOTE] Luke,
Thanks for the detailed report. I was REALLY hoping that your report would be different from all of the other reports we have heard about Centaurus. But I guess not. Sounds like you had the same crappy result that most other guys get too. Can't tell you the number of times that I "almost" went to Centaurus but ended up going somewhere else. I am glad I did. Thanks for reconfirming my suspicions.
Arivaderci,
Jake

[QUOTE=Tiradentes]
Stay away of any Brazilian restaurant.
Don't fly any Brazilian airline.[/QUOTE]
Both of these statements are patently absurd. There are many fine Brazilian restaurants, and I have received excellent service on Brazilian airlines.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]You could be right. But I do no fly all the way to Rio to drink in my apartment. And before I choose a girl for the night, I like to watch as many as possible. Having cold beer towers with friends is fun. Plus a friend how helps me is an older working girl that I never had, and, will not have sex with knows many girls in Copa from and they sit at her table. And she works at the Pussy Cat, where Barbarella girls frequent. She steers girls to me that I like and the price is reasonable. So cold beer towers are important. One tall and one half cold tower and it's a night of watching and seeing enough girls to pick one or not.

The main issue with Balcony is that they do not use professional waiters like the other Copa restaurants. As a former restaurant owner, you do not hire busboys to be waiters to save money. I think if the American decides to keep Balcony, all the customer service issues will be fixed. It costs too much to fix things over and over, then to get it right the first-time.

But I do not go to Rio to penny-pinch or drink in my apartment. If that works for then I am glad for you.[/QUOTE]I hear you. I'm not advocating penny pinching at all. I'm saying why should we spend money with people and businesses that offer terrible service and on top of that dont care that it's terrible. I love going to Porcau while I'm in Rio. Definitely an expensive dinner by Brazilian standards but the food is great and so is the service.

I joked a couple weeks back about going to Europe instead of Rio this March with all the bad reports that have been on this board but my biggest hesitation was always losing that 45% on the exchange rate before you get off the plane. Lokks like that is all starting to change as the Dollar is gaining strength again after years of being shit on by the rest of the world. 1.68 to 1.86 Dollars to Reals in the last 2 weeks and 1.46 to 1.35 on the Euro. My new determing factor is what happens 1st. 2 to 1 Reals or 1 to 1.25 Euros. My mongering future is now in the hands of the currency traders. LOL

[QUOTE=Lancer520]. Lokks like that is all starting to change as the Dollar is gaining strength again after years of being shit on by the rest of the world. 1. 68 to 1. 86 Dollars to Reals in the last 2 weeks and 1. 46 to 1. 35 on the Euro. My new determing factor is what happens 1st. 2 to 1 Reals or 1 to 1. 25 Euros. My mongering future is now in the hands of the currency traders. LOL[/QUOTE]I recently visited the north of Spain for Business. While I was there I discovered 3 Places which were very much like Termas. There were lots of girls from South america. Quite a few Brazilians & Columbians. The price was 65 Euros for 30 Minutes. Had 3 or 4 really good GFE experiences there.

The City was called Bilbao. There is more info on this place in the Spain thread.

[quote=christopherd]asianatic - you maybe could give more info (eg your knowledge of the city, whether you have some porto etc) so helpful answers could be offered. the hottest thing in rio during carnaval is carnaval. whether the area around the official competition or the parties rep001tered thru the city. [/quote]
thanks for the replies, however i'm a very frequent traveller to asia, i have never experienced rio. yes, i am there for carnival too but want to enjoy 24hrs a day. i got a sambadrome ticket and accomodation in flamengo area. my portuguese is limited to some basic spanish. what are botequims and sucos bars anyway ? any name ?
one thing i can't really understand about safety. if one wants to go out for a night, he has to carry money right ? i got a inner pocket being stitched in my evening pant as well as a couple of shorts. still, i will take a taxi everywhere as i could understood is the safest way to get around during rio. (please correct me if i am mistaken). dresscode : will a fancy black pant with short sleeve shirt be alright ? apart from the carnival, i'd like to enjoy the "regular" nightlife.
leaving this thursday.
thank you,

[QUOTE=Mongmann]I hear you. I'm not advocating penny pinching at all. I'm saying why should we spend money with people and businesses that offer terrible service and on top of that dont care that it's terrible. I love going to Porcau while I'm in Rio. Definitely an expensive dinner by Brazilian standards but the food is great and so is the service.[/QUOTE]You're right Mongmann. Porcau has great service, and so does most Brazilian restaurants that I've dined. But the service at Balcony is lower than a little kid selling chiclets, because at least the price, product and service generate no complaints.

[QUOTE=Asianatic]Thanks for the replies, however I'm a very frequent traveller to Asia, I have never experienced Rio. Yes, I am there for carnival too but want to enjoy 24hrs a day. I got a sambadrome ticket and accomodation in Flamengo area. My Portuguese is limited to some basic spanish. What are botequims and sucos bars anyway ? Any name ?
One thing I can't really understand about safety. If one wants to go out for a night, he HAS to carry money right ? I got a inner pocket being stitched in my evening pant as well as a couple of shorts. Still, I will take a taxi everywhere as I could understood is the safest way to get around during Rio. (please correct me if I am mistaken). Dresscode : will a fancy black pant with short sleeve shirt be alright ? Apart from the carnival, I'd like to enjoy the "regular" nightlife.
Leaving this thursday.
Thank you,[/QUOTE] Asiatic,
At the risk of upstaging any of the guys who actually live in Rio today, I will tell you that you don't have a whole lot to worry about beyond how you would normally conduct yourself in Asia. Yes, there is crime, yes you must be aware of your surroundings. There are ATM machine just about everywhere in the better trodden parts of Rio so depending on your plans, you don't need huge wads of cash in your pocket. Also, credit cards are becoming more and more commonplace in Brazil. Although make sure you have more than Amex (VISA or MC) to avoid disappointment.

Sucos bars IMHO are one of Brazil's gems. In Zona Sul they are everywhere and serve up all kinds of common and exotic juices. My personal favorite is in Ipanema at the corner of Visconte de Piraja and Maria Quiteria. But there are literally hundreds if not thousand of these places.

Botequims in Rio are almost as plentiful and vary from a hole in the wall to something that might resemble a restaurant. IMHO a botequim is like a neighborhood bar. Again, picking a favorite is like naming your favorite girl - it's a matter of personal taste. My personal favorite is just down the street from the aforementioned juice bar on Maria Quiteria closer to Prudente de Morais and is called "Espalunca". Great little hole in the wall with great cold beer. A bit more upscale for many but for me it's the right combination of cold beer snacks and eye candy. Of course, this info will be of limited use to you as you will be in Flamengo. But ask the door man where you can find a sucos bar or a botequim and he will be happy to make suggestions.

Finally, language. If you know some Spanish you are way ahead of the average gringo tourist to Rio. Knowing some Portuguese is useful but certainly not necessary. Any "service provider" with half a brain (be it for sex, food, drinks, or even a beach umbrella will make an effort to make himself (or herself) understood in an effort to seal a transaction.

Have fun - be aware - and enjoy your self in the Cidade Marvilhoso.

[QUOTE=Jake993]
My personal favorite is just down the street from the aforementioned juice bar on Maria Quiteria closer to Prudente de Morais and is called "Espalunca". Great little hole in the wall with great cold beer. A bit more upscale for many but for me it's the right combination of cold beer snacks and eye candy. [/QUOTE]

One of my favorites too, right down the street from the Ceasar Park hotel. Whenever I'm in the neighborhood I always stop in, one time 3 cougars approached me, one was a Doctor, we exchanged numbers, one actually called me but we never connected but there are possibilities there.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Asiatic,
My personal favorite is just down the street from the aforementioned juice bar on Maria Quiteria closer to Prudente de Morais and is called "Espalunca". Great little hole in the wall with great cold beer. A bit more upscale for many but for me it's the right combination of cold beer snacks and eye candy. Of course, this info will be of limited use to you as you will be in Flamengo.
[/QUOTE]
Thanks Jake, good info. Why will Ipanema be off-limited ? I exactly want to explore Ipanema and Copacabana ! I had choosen the accomodation in Flamengo just to sleep a couple of hours but will be out to Lapa, Ipanema & Copa en anywhere where I feel the vibe no matter the distance.
Espalunca sounds pretty cool and will hop in for sure this weekend.

[QUOTE=Asianatic]Thanks Jake, good info. Why will Ipanema be off-limited ? I exactly want to explore Ipanema and Copacabana ! I had choosen the accomodation in Flamengo just to sleep a couple of hours but will be out to Lapa, Ipanema & Copa en anywhere where I feel the vibe no matter the distance.
Espalunca sounds pretty cool and will hop in for sure this weekend.[/QUOTE]Don't misunderstand me - I just thought that if you are staying in Flamingo it will not exactly be in your "hood". But if you don't mind a $10 taxi ride then by all means enjoy the suco bars and bars of Ipanema!!

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]One of my favorites too, right down the street from the Ceasar Park hotel. Whenever I'm in the neighborhood I always stop in, one time 3 cougars approached me, one was a Doctor, we exchanged numbers, one actually called me but we never connected but there are possibilities there.[/QUOTE]Absolutely!!!! On Thursday nights it seems to be a favorite with Carioca MILFs!!!!

[quote=asianatic]thanks for the replies, however i'm a very frequent traveller to asia, i have never experienced rio. yes, i am there for carnival too but want to enjoy 24hrs a day. i got a sambadrome ticket and accomodation in flamengo area. my portuguese is limited to some basic spanish. what are botequims and sucos bars anyway ? any name ?
one thing i can't really understand about safety. if one wants to go out for a night, he has to carry money right ? i got a inner pocket being stitched in my evening pant as well as a couple of shorts. still, i will take a taxi everywhere as i could understood is the safest way to get around during rio. (please correct me if i am mistaken). dresscode : will a fancy black pant with short sleeve shirt be alright ? apart from the carnival, i'd like to enjoy the "regular" nightlife.
leaving this thursday.
thank you,[/quote]

botequims are street cafes. sucos (fruit juice) bars are similar but more of a stand up affaitr. flamengo is pretty safe. good for you stitching pockets inside your pants - that´s what i do (brasilians sometimes just pick the lining to make somewhere to store a little cash.) just carry what you need. i carry small notes in a rubber band so it is obvious i am not carrying much. if i need a little more for something else, i carry it in a different pocket, in a pocket down the front of my pants, or even in my shoes (a plastic cover helps if you do this). in the unlikely event you are mugged, they need to find the easiest thing that makes it worth their while, after which they will generally leave you alone. you can afford to lose 100r in such circumstances.

for expensive clubs, you can wear any fancy clothes you like, especially in carnaval. if you wear shorts, something bought in brasil looks better than anything from abroad. i am still trying to figure out why one particular pair i have is especially good for pulling chicks. but if you wear designer, that is cool too, especially brands recognised in brasil. shirts - why not just buy a couple when you get here? cheap ones from centro market by uruguiana station, expensive ones from ipanema or somewhere fairly classy like hobi club on barata ribeiro (by siqueira campos station). carnaval shirts are also cool this time of year. i quite like the ready made stich on or iron pockets - just started bringing one with me, pick up a needle and thread locally and add it to whatever i buy here.

transport - if you are streetwise, taxis in my opinion are a totally unnecessary expense. get one if you go to the opera or a special occasion as you would back home. but rio is a big city and can be confusing and overpowering on a first visit, and taxis are reassuriung to start with. buses travel everywhere, are fast and cheap (have coins or small bills ready - the fare is 2.20 or slightly more if aircon.) get on at the front, pay at the turnstile (or pay driver if no conductor), act normal and not go wow when it accelrates at speed lol, pull th bell in good time and get off at the back.

hope this helps asianatic. enjoy!



ps the major important thing on shorts or bermudas as they are called is the length. knee length, not the sort that are worn during the day in oz or mowing the lawn on england`s rare sunny day. short ones, that end well above the knee, are really for women and children. and gringoes of course. even if they are sold in taco. but the brasilians are very forgiving.

Hi,

I just wanted to know if help is indeed closed?

I spent the last month in Rio. I do not post here due that I feel I don't have much to contribute and would only be writing what has already been posted. However, thought I might warn you guys about a girl in Centauras. Yes I know alot of you guys hate this place. To exspensive, bad girls, whatever. I have a great time in there, many GFE's. Charlie the bartender is great and the girls in the locker room are nice.

Met a girl there "Laura" in Jan. Everything started out normal. Screened her properly and had a great GFE with her. Without asking she gave me her phone number to hang out later at Melt. We were going to Nossa Semhora that night so I told her maybe another time. After my session with her I started to feel that she would be clingy so I for sure did not want to hang out with her outside of Centauras.

Two days later my friend and I show up at Cent. She is immediately all over me. I tell her I want some space and would like to spend some time with other girls. She understands my weak portuguese but is still all over me kissing me telling me how much she likes me, doesn't want to go upstairs, just wants to spend time with me outside the club, blah, blah, blah. She continues to stick her tounge down my throat as I am trying to get away from her. It is starting to cause a scene and people are staring at us. Now she is grabbing me and not letting me walk away. She put scratch marks on my chest and was pulling my robe off. One of the girls that I know told me to come with her and she would tell her boss. She pulls me away from Laura and go to the relax room where my friend tells the boss what is happening (for those of you who have seen the female that runs the girls in Centauras she is in great shape, muscular and looks like she could kick some a$$). The boss lady immediately runs into the bar. I stayed in the relax room for a while. After that I had no more problems with Laura.

Maybe someone here has had a good experience with her. She is either crazy, high on drugs (my opinon) or both.

I understand the girls can be extremely jelous, however this experience was over the top. Laura is a gorgeous girl and the $&* was fantastic but she was absolutely crazy. I have had experiences with jelous girls (to include terma girls) in Rio but she was over the top.

Thank you to all ISG members for your great reports and helping make my trips to Brazil much more enjoyable.

Sonny

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Are there any strip shows in Rio where the girls invite you to take part?

[QUOTE=Jake993]
Sucos bars IMHO are one of Brazil's gems. In Zona Sul they are everywhere and serve up all kinds of common and exotic juices. My personal favorite is in Ipanema at the corner of Visconte de Piraja and Maria Quiteria. But there are literally hundreds if not thousand of these places.
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Oh yeah.. my favorite too... Polis Sucos... Got to order a shake made from açaí (ah-sigh-EE), with bananas and topped with granola.

[QUOTE=Sma202]Hi,

I just wanted to know if help is indeed closed?[/QUOTE]
No dude, they are just closed for renovations. They will be openning up at the end of the month. If you wear a Brazil national soccer jersey with the "S" instead of the "Z", you don"t have to pay entrance fee.

Also, Free drinks alll night long for the first week they open. Have fun! Wish I could be there. RTFF!

[QUOTE=Peterko]Are there any strip shows in Rio where the girls invite you to take part?[/QUOTE]

it could be so.

But you might be better off going to orgy places like 2a2 ou henriclube. I must tell you though that they hate gringos coming with *****s to a partner switching place. If you have to bring a program girl, chose one that behaves and does not look like one. No loud talker, no fat black girl, not too many tatoos, preferably correct portuguese speaker, etc.

Much better to just darn hire a few girls to do a private strip show for you and then you take part.

Why do you want to take part? for money savings? probably not worth it, better go to cheap places. For the kicks of it? maybe try orgies, hit me and I might be up to doing some orgies.

Only problem, i don't get the email notifications for private messages, so I take a while to answer to PM. Any admin who wants to try to fix that?

[QUOTE=Asianatic]Thanks for the replies, however I'm a very frequent traveller to Asia, I have never experienced Rio. Yes, I am there for carnival too but want to enjoy 24hrs a day. I got a sambadrome ticket and accomodation in Flamengo area. My Portuguese is limited to some basic spanish. What are botequims and sucos bars anyway ? Any name ?
One thing I can't really understand about safety. If one wants to go out for a night, he HAS to carry money right ? I got a inner pocket being stitched in my evening pant as well as a couple of shorts. Still, I will take a taxi everywhere as I could understood is the safest way to get around during Rio. (please correct me if I am mistaken). Dresscode : will a fancy black pant with short sleeve shirt be alright ? Apart from the carnival, I'd like to enjoy the "regular" nightlife.
Leaving this thursday.
Thank you,[/QUOTE]

You HAVE to carry money. It is called mugger money. If a guy robs you and you have no money, he will be disappointed. and pissed. Don't disappoint him. You don't want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] of people who are armed.

So you should have at least R$ 70 or so on you at all times.

I hope people wrote enough about safety here. Just be careful. Don't laugh about people who take a taxi for 2 blocks at 3 am. They are right.

I love Açai. I am the Açai specialist. Best place is Bibi Sucos Leblon, Copacabana, etc. There is an even better place in Flamengo for the specialists who has the REAL pure strong Açai straight from Belem. Tacaca do Norte, across from Hotel Barão de Flamengo. But it is not cold, smoothy like, but much more concentrated. Oh, this is near scort show agency, where you can see the book and the new girls on a street corner if you made an appointment.

Personally, I have trained some juice bars to make Açai for me with "menos xarope" or "sem xarope", less guaraná sirup or none. I think the regular stuff is too sweet. No sirup needs to get a small serving of sirup to add it yourself.

Granola is best as a topping on the side, you sprinkle it yourself. Banana also is best as slices on the side.

I already saw dozens and personally did half a dozen of Help and Barbarella girls for R$ 15 to R$ 40.

Even in the past some of them had a daytime job with secure regular income (the cheap brothel) and worked at Help at night. Now some of them retreated to only such a job

They do make reasonable money because the have lots of customers per day.

The funny thing is: when you pay less they are much less conceited then if you found the same girl at Help and paid a few hundred.

Maybe the gringo mongers will dry out and thus leave the girls to us residents, for much cheaper prices.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]I already saw dozens and personally did half a dozen of Help and Barbarella girls for R$ 15 to R$ 40.

Even in the past some of them had a daytime job with secure regular income (the cheap brothel) and worked at Help at night. Now some of them retreated to only such a job

They do make reasonable money because the have lots of customers per day.

The funny thing is: when you pay less they are much less conceited then if you found the same girl at Help and paid a few hundred.

Maybe the gringo mongers will dry out and thus leave the girls to us residents, for much cheaper prices.[/QUOTE]See this is why we can trust you for valueable info because you dont even want us to be there LOL

Thanks for the intel. Can you share some names of these brothels where you fucked former HELP/Barbarella girls for less than 40 reais? Sounds like that place in Centro that charges 1 reais per minute, but want to verify. Because of ridiculously high airline prices out of Atlanta, I was thinking of skipping Rio this year, but if that can be offset by fucking HOT former HELP girls for super cheap dollars, I will reconsider. From what I've been reading, the rate at Balcony pretty much starts at 200 reais.

No Thanks.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]I already saw dozens and personally did half a dozen of Help and Barbarella girls for R$ 15 to R$ 40.

Even in the past some of them had a daytime job with secure regular income (the cheap brothel) and worked at Help at night. Now some of them retreated to only such a job

They do make reasonable money because the have lots of customers per day.

The funny thing is: when you pay less they are much less conceited then if you found the same girl at Help and paid a few hundred.

Maybe the gringo mongers will dry out and thus leave the girls to us residents, for much cheaper prices.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Peterko]Are there any strip shows in Rio where the girls invite you to take part?[/QUOTE]

What do you want to do? Strip with the stripper?

I've been on the stage with the strippers at Barbarellas several times in years past, the girls dug it, I danced with them, we had fun.

If you want to orgy in public then Barzilspecialist below gave you some good advice, go to the 2 swingers clubs he mentioned. I've been to them and didn't experience any problems because I am a gringo, I did go with a Brasileira who wasn't a pro and the guys liked her a lot, so maybe that helped.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]I already saw dozens and personally did half a dozen of Help and Barbarella girls for R$ 15 to R$ 40.

Even in the past some of them had a daytime job with secure regular income (the cheap brothel) and worked at Help at night. Now some of them retreated to only such a job

They do make reasonable money because the have lots of customers per day.

The funny thing is: when you pay less they are much less conceited then if you found the same girl at Help and paid a few hundred.

Maybe the gringo mongers will dry out and thus leave the girls to us residents, for much cheaper prices.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but I do not believe Help girls, famous for be lazy and to have high absurd prices are now working in terma for 40 reais for session ?!?

The help girls who hardly went down -50 reais until morning will never work for only 40 reais !

And the fact you not mention which are these termas where they are supposed to work, confirm it is not true.

I was in Rio after Help closure and I went to real many, many termas and I saw ZERO Help girls but you see Help girls everywhere ? Yes, and tomorrow it is february 30 :D

[QUOTE=Lukasek] Yes, and tomorrow it is february 30 :D[/QUOTE]
I also don't imagine one single second Barbarella chicks, who are kind of "cream of the crop" in Copacabana, opening their legs for 15RS to 40RS.

I fucked Paris Hilton yesterday BTW.

:rolleyes:

[quote=prosal]i also don't imagine one single second barbarella chicks, who are kind of "cream of the crop" in copacabana, opening their legs for 15rs to 40rs.

i fucked paris hilton yesterday btw.

:rolleyes:[/quote]barbarella, "cream of the crop" for who? barbarella girls are suffering in the post helpee era like the other stuck up garotas who were over compensated by naive gringoes. i sat with barbarella broads a few days ago who were not getting a bite on the high prices. after balcony they even were at the strip club pussy cat trying to get work. one dumb ass named poliana, a 8 morena with redone tits, told me sitting at balcony that her minimum price was r350. i said good luck with all this cheap pussy walking around balcony.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Sorry but I do not believe Help girls, famous for be lazy and to have high absurd prices are now working in terma for 40 reais for session ?!?
The help girls who hardly went down -50 reais until morning will never work for only 40 reais !
And the fact you not mention which are these termas where they are supposed to work, confirm it is not true.[/QUOTE]Yes Brother Luk. They always have. And many of us have said this repeatedly in the forum for the last few years. Now I'm not saying that ALL and EVERY of them were. I'm not even saying 50%. But a good number of those that you find at VM for R$26 and BA85 for R$20 (R$15 on the second floor!) are the same ones who went to Help later on at night and wanted R$400. I have witnessed this many occasions. And I'm sure many Rio regulars who get out of Copacabana and don't confine their mongering to top-tier termas can attest to it as well.

Sometimes I saw them at Help first and saw them a different time at their el cheapo spot, and sometimes I saw them at the el cheapo spot first and saw them at Help on another time. The only difference, and what most guys insist on, is the setting. Some people would rather pay a premium for ambiance since they have traveled half way around the world, while there are others who don't mind fucking in the back seat of a rusted out 1968 VW Bug sitting on cinder blocks in an undisclosed location.

What you have to remember is that around Rio and Sao Paulo beautiful women are a-dime-a-dozen (plentiful). One who you think is a beauty queen is just an average run of the mill Sally Sue to most other Brazilians. I remember when I was a newbie my question was always, "how do they choose the models?" in that country. To this day I still don't know the answer. But I do know that hair, make-up, and clothes work wonders!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Yes Brother Luk. They always have. And many of us have said this repeatedly in the forum for the last few years. Now I'm not saying that ALL and EVERY of them were. I'm not even saying 50%. But a good number of those that you find at VM for R$26 and BA85 for R$20 (R$15 on the second floor!) are the same ones who went to Help later on at night and wanted R$400. I have witnessed this many occasions. And I'm sure many Rio regulars who get out of Copacabana and don't confine their mongering to top-tier termas can attest to it as well.

Sometimes I saw them at Help first and saw them a different time at their el cheapo spot, and sometimes I saw them at the el cheapo spot first and saw them at Help on another time. The only difference, and what most guys insist on, is the setting. Some people would rather pay a premium for ambiance since they have traveled half way around the world, while there are others who don't mind fucking in the back seat of a rusted out 1968 VW Bug sitting on cinder blocks in an undisclosed location.

What you have to remember is that around Rio and Sao Paulo beautiful women are a-dime-a-dozen (plentiful). One who you think is a beauty queen is just an average run of the mill Sally Sue to most other Brazilians. I remember when I was a newbie my question was always, "how do they choose the models?" in that country. To this day I still don't know the answer. But I do know that hair, make-up, and clothes work wonders![/QUOTE]I agree.

RR

i mentioned the same fact about two years ago that the same helpee skanks were the same ones working in mimosa, some centro massage parlors and even the real-a-minute locations. i was always intrigued why would folk pay out of their noses for these gdp's, but some of the assertions you mentioned made sense. people just don't have the balls in many instances of going out of their comfort zones. to me, it just made absolutely no sense to pay br 500 to a chick that does the same job for br 26, br 15 or even br 10.
that's why i was really happy that the powers that be closed the place down. it restored some sanity into the pay for play game.
[quote=mr enternational]yes brother luk. they always have. and many of us have said this repeatedly in the forum for the last few years. now i'm not saying that all and every of them were. i'm not even saying 50%. but a good number of those that you find at vm for r$26 and ba85 for r$20 (r$15 on the second floor!) are the same ones who went to help later on at night and wanted r$400. i have witnessed this many occasions. and i'm sure many rio regulars who get out of copacabana and don't confine their mongering to top-tier termas can attest to it as well.

sometimes i saw them at help first and saw them a different time at their el cheapo spot, and sometimes i saw them at the el cheapo spot first and saw them at help on another time. the only difference, and what most guys insist on, is the setting. some people would rather pay a premium for ambiance since they have traveled half way around the world, while there are others who don't mind fucking in the back seat of a rusted out 1968 vw bug sitting on cinder blocks in an undisclosed location.

what you have to remember is that around rio and sao paulo beautiful women are a-dime-a-dozen (plentiful). one who you think is a beauty queen is just an average run of the mill sally sue to most other brazilians. i remember when i was a newbie my question was always, "how do they choose the models?" in that country. to this day i still don't know the answer. but i do know that hair, make-up, and clothes work wonders![/quote]

[quote=voyajer1]i mentioned the same fact about two years ago that the same helpee skanks were the same ones working in mimosa, some centro massage parlors and even the real-a-minute locations. i was always intrigued why would folk pay out of their noses for these gdp's, but some of the assertions you mentioned made sense. people just don't have the balls in many instances of going out of their comfort zones. to me, it just made absolutely no sense to pay br 500 to a chick that does the same job for br 26, br 15 or even br 10.
that's why i was really happy that the powers that be closed the place down. it restored some sanity into the pay for play game.[/quote]

very true. it took me a couple of visits to brasil to venture out of my comfort zone. it takes some people forever, expecially when they travel with people equally insulated. occasionally i will be in the mood to pay 10 times as much just for fancy sheets, but not often. the best thing about help was when you had the second dance floor with brazilian dancing and girls would occasionally be themselves. the thing that help and mimosa had in common (apart from some of the girls) is that in both places the girls would often just enjoy themselves in between work. i quite like that. but not when it switches to anything with more than one zero after it. ;)

I went to 4x4, it was the first time for me.

During half an hour I did watch the girls, 4 or 5 talked to me, nicely and not too much pushing.

Then I picked up Madona, because she made me feel she would work hard to satisfy me.

In fact, this girl did squeeze my dick into her **** up to a level I have never ever seen before. She made me come just squeezing and releasing my dick in her and without any other movement of either of us. As she squeezes very hard, it gave me a very high pleasure.

The only drawback is I have not been able to resist long.

Worth the visit!

Damage: R$ 225 (less than 100 euros)

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In fact, this girl did squeeze my dick into her **** up to a level I have never ever seen before. She made me come just squeezing and releasing my dick in her and without any other movement of either of us. As she squeezes very hard, it gave me a very high pleasure.
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Surprisingly this is the first time I've seen anyone mention garotas that employ pompoar (ie., Kegel) for quite some time. Always great to find a lady that has good muscle control down there. While in Rio last month I hooked up with a scrawny lass at Solarium who would squeeze her muscles with every outward stoke. It felt very good.

"O tempora, O mores"
- DSK

To all of those in Rio for carnaval, that might find some of your normal venues closed or traffic difficult to navigate: Takeout is available from Scortshow, as they are open for business during carnaval. Still R$120 for 2 hours plus taxi. They operate on saturday until 6 PM and other days until midnight. Barao do Flamengo Hotel, R$ 40-50, short time, near the Largo do Machado metro station, is near the agency and you will avoid the taxi fee.

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick]Surprisingly this is the first time I've seen anyone mention garotas that employ pompoar (ie., Kegel) for quite some time. Always great to find a lady that has good muscle control down there. While in Rio last month I hooked up with a scrawny lass at Solarium who would squeeze her muscles with every outward stoke. It felt very good.

"O tempora, O mores"
- DSK[/QUOTE]

I mentioned it last year, there was in march, petite thin dark hair at MC, I did not get her as after we talk she got busy and I no more see her.

But I got one in Recife 5 years ago and she was GREAT !

Something every man should try and something every woman should invest some time to learn it....

As Lu Riva said it is big pleasure for her and for him....I do not know for her, but very true for the man :D

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFvwUypHURI[/url]

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Sorry but I do not believe Help girls, famous for be lazy
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Well seems you guys allowed them to be lazy. This is why I am proud to say I have not set foot into Help for almost 10 years, and I live 3 blocks away.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
and to have high absurd prices are now working in terma for 40 reais for session ?!?
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actually, most were cheaper then that. And then of course they have to deduct the fee for the house. But the cheap price is for very short time, if you insist on longer time, prices go up. But I would rather do 4 girls for 15 minutes each then 1 girl for an hour.

But yes, I was surprised too. And note I am talking the cute young hard bodies, most likely the dogs are there too but I would not have talked to them nor asked them.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]
The help girls who hardly went down -50 reais until morning will never work for only 40 reais !
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well, as I said, they have plenty of customers a day, so they make money not out of one guy but out of several, so it adds up.

Seems they don't see any other options. Seems also they cannot make it into high priced termas, or most likely they don't know about them.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
And the fact you not mention which are these termas where they are supposed to work, confirm it is not true.
[/QUOTE]
I always was very generous with information, for decades I published all I knew. Now with Help closing and with the general worsening of mongering everywhere, even in Asia, I am worried that publishing info is detrimental to the survival of these places. Not so much because of dumb behavior by gringos, but because of notoriety and the feminazis on a mission to stamp out all fun in this world.

Also the best place was shown to me by a guy who made me promise not to publish it. But, places can be found, most were reported here at some time, can be found at Brazilian boards, and advertise in local news papers.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]

I was in Rio after Help closure and I went to real many, many termas and I saw ZERO Help girls but you see Help girls everywhere ? Yes, and tomorrow it is february 30 :D[/QUOTE]

many many termas? how many do you know?

I probably went to 50 places. You have to look around .........

But as I said, I was kind of surprised. But I also always thought that Help was a hell hole, of overcharging girls. Low life girls charging high.

As opposed to model hopefuls, college girls, students, or at least store sales clerks who could get a Brazilian to pay them 100, 150, even 400 or 500. Brazilians pay attention to status, education, demeanour, behavior ............

And somehow the ghetto chicks scared off the nicer girls who did not want to put up with dangerous ghetto street fighting girls. This has happened for 10 years already. I think Help, for a long time, had a negative selection, attracting low life and scaring off class.

Oh, and the cheapo places are low life too, but security is provided by police mob who make sure things run very very smoothly because disturbances will be handled instantly and harshly. So safety for the girls is guaranteed.

[QUOTE=Mangera]No dude, they are just closed for renovations. They will be openning up at the end of the month. If you wear a Brazil national soccer jersey with the "S" instead of the "Z", you don"t have to pay entrance fee.

Also, Free drinks alll night long for the first week they open. Have fun! Wish I could be there. RTFF![/QUOTE]


True. True that !.

Also, as a general rule in all the clubs in BraSil , if you dance by swinging your arms together like you were cradling a baby, it is common that the girl will go out with you for half the price. Full price will be waived , if you are attractive.

See the dance for yourself to learn it perfectly:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPN0PYl9xQw&NR=1[/url]

i was in rio from jan 17 to jan 26. i was with lukasek and another friend so maybe you can get a 2nd opinion about rio from my perspective.

the first few termas we hit in centro were ba85 which i did not go in because i like blondes and i never find any in there. more importantly, i am 6'4, 240lbs and claustrophobic so that staircase makes me feel like that place is a deathtrap if there was a fire there and everyone tried to leave by the staircase all at once. anyway, lukasek and my friend did not find anything to their liking so they were out of there quickly. we went to the other terma on the main shopping street when you come out of the metro that is perpendicular to buenos aires. it has like four floors and and is in front of a news stand. i forgot the name and address but it is in bubba's guide. that place has a few girls more to my liking at least for the price you pay, but none of us took anyone. then we went to the terma up the street and to the right from 4x4. i think the address is 81 quintada. it was early like 3pm and the girls were just starting to come in but i saw at least one and maybe two girls i would definitely take. the price is like 10r entrance and 100r for 30 or 40 minutes i believe.

we then went to ternas 65. i have never been there before. i can't believe how close it is to 4x4 and i never even knew it was there. it is 70r to get in. very expensive, but they have the nicest robes of any terma i have been in hands down. for me though, a nice robe does not justify a 70r entrance fee.

as soon as we get in and i go to the bar, a girl with light blonde hair sitting at the bar tries the old "don't i know you from somewhere? " routine. i kind of brushed her off even though she was my type because i just got there and wanted to have a look around. she insisted but even though she started to look familar to me i told her i didn't know her. then she saw my friend said, "yes, i do know both of you! ".

at that point i no longer thought is was just a line. i told her i have never been in termas 65 and she said she used to work at cancun. then the memories came rushing back. i took her in cancun and then had her and her friend joycee (my friend did her) come to our apartment and stay overnight. ooops! long story short, her stage name is flavia and she has a nice little petite body, but she has very little time left since she is like 30. anyway, i took her again and had a great time.

the next terma visit was luomo on wednesday i think. there were a few girls to my liking, probably about four. i ended up going with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] partly because she has a hairstyle that looks like a 1980's p_orn star. also, she has a great body and pretty big natural tits. i had a good time with her, no complaints and she let me take pictures. my friend ended up leaving early because he was too drunk and falling asleep. lukasek ended up taking a girl also whos name i don't remember.

my next session was with a girl i have kept in contact with and saw since last january. she works at 4x4. she looked better than when i saw her in september. it looks like she lost some weight and is staying away from the late night bob's burgers. had a good time with her, but as always, it usually costs much less in terms of time, money, and drama if you keep the girls in their natural habitat (the termas). i'm kidding about the termas being their natural habitat. my point is that if you get friendly with a pro, you usually end up spending more time and money on them than if you just sessioned with them in the termas and did not meet them outside. not to mention that they start to think they own you and that you should not be seeing other girls even though they see other guys daily.

my friend back home has been insisting i do a threesome since he is married and would never get the opportunity to do it himself. i must admit, a threesome does not really do anything for me, but i guess since i have the opportunity i might as well do it just so i can say i did. i rented a 2bd apartment with my friend so the plan was to call three karla models. i would take two and then when i'm finished my friend would take one of them to add to his session with his girl. since we have completely different tastes in girls, we made three lists. his favorites, my favorites, and ones we both would do. then we called up and tried to get our top picks. this is hard to do especially if you want two or more girls together.

also, be aware that the girls in the top of the website with a first and last name are in a different office from the girls in the bottom of the website with only one name. if you try to mix and match it is like trying to herd cats and will cost you more taxi fares and you can be sure they will not show up together.

so we ended up getting these three:

leandra filakosker: not really pretty. looks darker and much worse than her pictures. i'm not saying she is fat or anything. it is her in the pictures, but when she comes to your apartment in street clothes and her hair is not made up and much darker than in the pictures. that being said, she was a trooper and was into it so no complaints in the performance department.

karine ferarri: pretty girl, nice little ass and petite body. i am not into girls with black hair but didn't mind her at all. my friend took her first, but said she was a little dull in the sack. i had her last and she was no superstar but neither am i so she was okay in my book. also, she speaks english.

karem spear: pretty face, nice tits, very good body. i had her first and then she was my fluffer and ball jiggler when i was banging leandra. i thought she was very good, my friend thought she was more of a fluffer.

not that i really cared, but none of these girls would eat each other out. if you want something like that, your best bet is to find a karla model you like and then ask her who her friends are and pick one of them for the threesome on another day.

the girls wanted another 60r for any girl that would do a second guy. so if me and my friend wanted to bang each of them it would cost another 180r total. we made a deal with them where we gave them some makeup and they were fine with it so you can negotiate with them. the total bill was 360r plus 50r for taxi. i think that was a great deal for each of us to have three girls. that would have cost us 1200 to 1500r in a terma i think. now that i have done a threesome and maybe a foursome since i had three in one session but technically did not have all three at the same time, i thought it was a lot of fun and would do it again but only in my apt, not in a terma.

when i had a sunburn, i stayed home on tuesday while lukasek and my friend went to solarium. they were raving about how great it was so i went with them when they went back on friday i think.

it was packed, but there were not many girls of the type i like. we stayed and had drinks and talked to a few girls but we all left without taking any.

saturday night we went to club 00. in september me and lukasek tried to go there at around 1am and the line was out to the street. being the geniuses that we are, our plan this time was to go very early like 9pm and eat in the restaurant and then we will stick around for the club to start. it's a good plan right?

well it was a good plan and it worked. another good plan would have been to just show up like 11:30 to 12 midnight and walk in since there was no line. i don't know what happened but it was not nearly as crowded as it was in september. it was okay, but there were no huge crowds or lines to the street like in september. is it because college kids are out of school or on vacation? anyway, it was pretty cool. there is no need to go to the restaurant early and sit around in an empty club for more than an hour. you can just show up before midnight.

on our last day my friend and i got two karla models. i got flavia, he got cleo. lukasek was at our apt and helped with the call to karla's. he did not partake, but was there to see us off since we were leaving that day.

flavia had a very nice body and gave a good bbbj and had a great attitude. her face was kind of mousey. lukasek thought that she was so ugly that when they were leaving he was going to shake her hand instead of a kiss on the cheek. the reason i mention this is so the readers will not think that either me or lukasek is lying about our reports. we just have different opinions or rating scales.

cleo was taller than she looked in the pictures. my friend said she was pretty good in the sack.

overall, i had a good time in rio and would come back again a 7th time. i have to admit that i think it was not as good as the other times. by this i mean that in trips past i would usually find a few girls in each terma that i thought were superstars. this trip did not give me the same feeling. maybe i am just getting too used to it. i will have to try the fkk clubs and report my findings.

for my friend it is his fourth trip and he thought it was a little dissapointing. lukasek also thought it was dissapointing but as i remember, when he was here for three months he said he would never come back. after being home for a month or two, he said he missed rio and couldn't wait to come back.

for me, an okay time in rio easily beats a great time in the us.

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Can anyone suggest any muscular/athletic ladies in the various termas of Rio?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Mscllover]Can anyone suggest any muscular/athletic ladies in Rio[/QUOTE]
You'll find muscular hotties at the Passeio Publico (Lapa).

:D

[QUOTE=Simpleminded]
The girls wanted another 60R for any girl that would do a second guy. So if me and my friend wanted to bang each of them it would cost another 180R total. We made a deal with them where we gave them some makeup and they were fine with it so you can negotiate with them. The total bill was 360R plus 50R for taxi. I think that was a great deal for each of us to have three girls.
[QUOTE]

They must have changed the rules at Karla Models. For years, as long as there were more girls than guys, then the girls had to switch. There was no extra 60R per girl, it was free. So in your case where it was 3 girls and two guys, the both of you should have beem fucking all three without having been told to pay an additional 180R on top of the 360R Bill. (I am glad they accepted makeup instead)

What is HELP status, is it temporarily closed for renovations? USA today has reported that it is closed permanently and will be converted to a museum?

[QUOTE=Bravo][QUOTE=Simpleminded]
The girls wanted another 60R for any girl that would do a second guy. So if me and my friend wanted to bang each of them it would cost another 180R total. We made a deal with them where we gave them some makeup and they were fine with it so you can negotiate with them. The total bill was 360R plus 50R for taxi. I think that was a great deal for each of us to have three girls.
[QUOTE]

They must have changed the rules at Karla Models. For years, as long as there were more girls than guys, then the girls had to switch. There was no extra 60R per girl, it was free. So in your case where it was 3 girls and two guys, the both of you should have beem fucking all three without having been told to pay an additional 180R on top of the 360R Bill. (I am glad they accepted makeup instead)[/QUOTE]I was in a similar situation a few years ago. 6 girls from two different agencies. (Karla and Show I think.) They asked for an extra 50 each because there were 4 guys. We agreed. Afterwards we gave a Brasilian the money to split between the girls. They asked for 150 each. He said something like, "There were more girls than guys. You did less work, not more. You get no extra money." Strangely, the agreed and happily took 100 each. In the only other escort experience I have had there were 2 girls, 2 guys for a double (4 hour) session. They happily switched and did not ask for extra money.

With my limited experience, I think the girls were just trying to get extra money but were not entitled to it. Maybe the rule exists when there are extra guys.

[QUOTE=Edward M][QUOTE=Bravo][QUOTE=Simpleminded]

I was in a similar situation a few years ago. 6 girls from two different agencies. (Karla and Show I think.) They asked for an extra 50 each because there were 4 guys. We agreed. Afterwards we gave a Brasilian the money to split between the girls. They asked for 150 each. He said something like, "There were more girls than guys. You did less work, not more. You get no extra money." Strangely, the agreed and happily took 100 each. In the only other escort experience I have had there were 2 girls, 2 guys for a double (4 hour) session. They happily switched and did not ask for extra money.

With my limited experience, I think the girls were just trying to get extra money but were not entitled to it. Maybe the rule exists when there are extra guys.[/QUOTE]


We are both correct. As long as there are more females than males, there is no extra fee. However, since they know they are dealing with gringos, they throw that extra charge in there expecting us to pay because we dont know any better.

[quote=dfwdude]what is help status, is it temporarily closed for renovations? usa today has reported that it is closed permanently and will be converted to a museum?[/quote]

closed permanently, as can be verified from numerous news sources and reports on this board. they've even auctioned off stuff from inside (i would have loved to be there to get a piece of rio history.)

if i'm understanding the reports here correctly, they've rep001tered some to balcony, some to other copa gdp bars, correct?

[QUOTE=DFWdude]What is HELP status, is it temporarily closed for renovations? USA today has reported that it is closed permanently and will be converted to a museum?[/QUOTE]

I did not think there is yet somebody who does not know it :D

Help is like CCCP ( or URSS if you prefer ;) )... gone forever !

Yep there will be a museum.

We never actually verified with Karla Models what their policy is on more girls than guys. I'm sure if we asked and they knew we were gringos they would have tried to charge extra. I guess the girls tried to charge extra for the same reason. Since they are not suppose to get extra, they were willing to take the cosmetics which would have cost them 60R each in Brazil. Also, if they insisted, only one of them would have got the extra 60R because I would have just kept my two and my friend would take the other girl plus one of mine when I was finished. It was win win for everyone.

[QUOTE=Prosal]You'll find muscular hotties at the Passeio Publico (Lapa).

:D[/QUOTE]That's funny, Prosal!

But many of the newbies here probably don't know that the Passeio Público is 100% transvestites and one or another of them might actually try and go there.

You should warn people.

[QUOTE=Mscllover]Can anyone suggest any muscular/athletic ladies in the various termas of Rio?[/QUOTE]

Finding truly muscular and buff WOMEN at the Termas might be a bit of a challenge. Plenty of fat chicks, many thin ladies, but athletic? No doubt there are some but I can't recall any at the moment. Your best bet might be to visit L'uomo (at least some of the women there are fit & thin), 4X4 (all shapes & sizes there), and if you are willing to splurge a bit then Centaurus may well have some women with the body type you like.

For an outcall option, check out Hotside.com.br. I notice that there are usually at least a couple of GDPs that are body-builder types.

Stay away from the Passieo Publico unless you are interested in "bonecas".

- DSK

[QUOTE=Mscllover]Can anyone suggest any muscular/athletic ladies in the various termas of Rio?

Thanks![/QUOTE]
You asked this same question in the Rio forum in 2008. Other than your inquiries, you have contributed nothing. Share your experiences with other forum members then ask your question again. Personally, I know where there are several girls who have a muscular build (and no not TVs or TSs)

[QUOTE=Mscllover]Can anyone suggest any muscular/athletic ladies in the various termas of Rio?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Here is a link to a dedicated site: [url]http://gpsmusculosas.********.com/[/url]

I am visiting Rio next week and will be staying at Caesar Park on the beach. Are there any good termas or clubs nearby within walking distance? Which would be the best outcall service that provides tall models? I am also curious how much extra it would cost if you want to have anal with the girls. Thanks a lot, brothers.

Hi Simpleminded,

I have really appreciated your great report.

I was wondering about Karlamodel's girls. Now, I know what I can expect from her.

I wil be in Copacabana from February 27th to March 7th.

Will be glad to share a caipirinha with other mongers.

[QUOTE=Laogua]I am visiting Rio next week and will be staying at Caesar Park on the beach. Are there any good termas or clubs nearby within walking distance? Which would be the best outcall service that provides tall models? I am also curious how much extra it would cost if you want to have anal with the girls. Thanks a lot, brothers.[/QUOTE]

Just for your 411, I stayed at Caesar Park Hotel in Ipanema in 1998 during Carnaval. It is a very beautiful hotel with excellent beach rights and nice beach view rooms.If you go to the beach using CP section and umbrellas, girls will often start flirting with you as they know CP is an expensive hotel. However if you plan to bring GDP's back to your room it will be extremely difficult if not impossible. Go out and enjoy the city after you RTFF, there are endless supplies of GDP's for every taste and budget...

[QUOTE=Laogua]I am visiting Rio next week and will be staying at Caesar Park on the beach. Are there any good termas or clubs nearby within walking distance? Which would be the best outcall service that provides tall models? I am also curious how much extra it would cost if you want to have anal with the girls. Thanks a lot, brothers.[/QUOTE]
I stayed at Caesar Park in 2002 and succeeded in getting a GDP into my room quite easily. I had her meet me in the bar and from there we nonchalantly walked to the elevator. This will probably work only in the daytime and only if the girl looks "respectable," i.e. not like a prostitute. If anyone stops you on the way to the elevator, just say you are going to the rooftop restaurant.

The only termas within walking distance is the very controversial Centaurus. Best take a taxi to L'uomo or the metro to 4x4.

Fellows,

Talking about Caesar Park let me ask you a question.

Does anybody here knows if one of those massagists who work in 2 points in front of CP on the beach are also gdp's?

I remember that years ago one of us said that a massagist went with him to CP but it was a girl that is not there anymore.

[QUOTE=Georgel24]Here is a link to a dedicated site: [url]http://gpsmusculosas.********.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

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e.g. www. vivizinhaferraz . blog spot .com/ (delete alll blanks to use this link)

Thanks Math92,

Have a good time in Rio. I think it is worth it to give Karla's a shot. I wanted to get Marisol Buenos because I liked her body and saw her face in the book, but she was always busy. A friend of mine went to Rio after me and was able to get her. He said she was good. I know if I saw her in a terma I would take her for sure, so to me 120R for her for 2 hours is a very good deal.

[QUOTE=Math92]Hi Simpleminded,

I have really appreciated your great report.

I was wondering about Karlamodel's girls. Now, I know what I can expect from her.

I wil be in Copacabana from February 27th to March 7th.

Will be glad to share a caipirinha with other mongers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Laogua]I am visiting Rio next week and will be staying at Caesar Park on the beach. Are there any good termas or clubs nearby within walking distance? Which would be the best outcall service that provides tall models? I am also curious how much extra it would cost if you want to have anal with the girls. Thanks a lot, brothers.[/QUOTE]

Most GDP's include the back door as part of the service, kind of like Pay One Price for all 3 holes!

Caesar Park is really not GDP friendly, if I recall a friend had to pay R150 extra for an overnight guest. If you plan on ordering in, I suggest finding a better hotel or rent a flat. If price is no object and you need to have hotel service may I suggest The Promenade Visconti in Ipanema.

Please either read Bubba Boy Guide or use the search function for Zona Sul Termas.

[QUOTE=Buscemi]...
Please either read Bubba Boy Guide or use the search function for Zona Sul Termas.[/QUOTE]

And please...do not forget to report too...

[QUOTE=Lorenzo]The only termas within walking distance is the very controversial Centaurus. Best take a taxi to L'uomo or the metro to 4x4.[/QUOTE]

Actually there is no need to take a taxi from Ceasar Park to L'uomo or Monte Carlo for that matter. Not any more. Simply walk four blocks to the newly opened General Osorio metro in Ipanema and ride the train to the Siqueira Campos stop. From there, L'uomo is about a block away on the second floor of a commercial center. MC is about four blocks away on Hilario de Gouveia.

As stated earlier the only Termas that is a close walk is Centaurus. You could theoretically walk to Solarium if you want to get a bit of exercise (it's a long walk). I have walked to Solarium from Ipanema before but I don't make a habit of it and certainly don't advise doing it unless you are in good shape.

- DSK

[QUOTE=Mscllover]Can anyone suggest any muscular/athletic ladies in the various termas of Rio?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Not a terma girl, but she is new on hotside! You can tell she has put in hundreds of hours at the gym!! Bruna Belfort

[url]http://www.hotside.com.br/app/site/modelo/?id=809[/url]

Hi,

Thanks gents for all your latest info, gonns be a great help to me, going back to Rio mar4 after 3 years.

Any mongers want to meet for a beer and a hunt. Msg me.

Math 92, can't msg you for some reason.

Jasss

[QUOTE=Bravo]Not a terma girl, but she is new on hotside! You can tell she has put in hundreds of hours at the gym!! Bruna Belfort


[url]http://www.hotside.com.br/app/site/modelo/?id=809[/url][/QUOTE]

Good post and yes I have seen her and others like her on this site and others but unfortunately this guy is just a troll.

Heres a site that has more:

[url]http://www.assaradonas.com.br/acompanhantes.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Good post and yes I have seen her and others like her on this site and others but unfortunately this guy is just a troll.

Hers a site that has more:

[url]http://www.assaradonas.com.br/acompanhantes.htm[/url][/QUOTE]


I see Barbara is now Karen, or is that just a mistake by the site owners

[QUOTE=Flexinbk]I see Barbara is now Karen, or is that just a mistake by the site owners[/QUOTE]
GDPs change their names all the time.

As there another club opened yet like the Old Club Help.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Your link was screened by ISG software.

If you insert blanks it will pass the screen.

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Went to Balcony on Tuesday night, saw several familiar faces from HELP. Did not get any of the reported "hard sell" tactics and didn't ask prices so can't offer intel on that. After maybe half an hour went to "Erotica, " basically dead inside. Stayed through the 2 drinks included in the cover then returned to Balcony for another look C. Still nothing of interest. Decided to check out Dolce Vita as it looked like there was some action there. BOY WAS THERE! The place was PACKED! Looked to be about equal guys to girls and again lots of familiar HELP faces. Action was similar to HELP, I. E. Chat, dance, drink, etc. Again, none of the "hard sell" others have reported. Did kind of chat up one girl but by that time the 3 or 4 too many Cuba Libres I'd had had caught up with me and I knew it'd be a waste of time to take her so I left. FITW, hung over as hell the next day.

Stay at the JW Marriott. It is girl friendly from what others here have mentioned on this forum.
[QUOTE=Laogua]I am visiting Rio next week and will be staying at Caesar Park on the beach. Are there any good termas or clubs nearby within walking distance? Which would be the best outcall service that provides tall models? I am also curious how much extra it would cost if you want to have anal with the girls. Thanks a lot, brothers.[/QUOTE]

thanks all for the helpful tips. Will report back.

[QUOTE=Jake993]

... My personal favorite is just down the street from the aforementioned juice bar on Maria Quiteria closer to Prudente de Morais and is called "Espalunca". Great little hole in the wall with great cold beer. A bit more upscale for many but for me it's the right combination of cold beer snacks and eye candy. ...[/QUOTE]

A small update. 'Espelunca' Chic at this location is now Barthodomeu. I don't go there often -- probably the last time was June or July -- but it had changed already. But the scene is still the same. Jumping, but somehow the quaint, attractive little place across the street is always deserted (yellow with green trim).

Espelunca Chic is (or was?) some sort of chain but I haven't checked to see If any other locations are still open. But that would be a good bet. The food at Espelunca is definitely more 'cougaresc'. Another hangout is any Cafeina -- especially the one on Farme. Most of the men will be gay so it is open season.

Still, unless you are pretty hot and speak some Portuguese, I think your chances are low. But, you never know until you try. It has been remarked a number of times that gringos have an extra hill to climb with non-pros. Sort of yin and yang. Since the gdp scene is so easy and abundant (despite the loss of Help) it is fitting that the other should be more difficult. But, compared to your chances in the 'developed world' I would say no worse -- which is pretty bad!

Good cougar hunting to all. And BTW, it's not only cougars that hang out at such places.

Need your help guys - will be arriving Rio in June and need to book the BEST 2 bedroom apartment I can - any advice on top end 2 bedroom apartments greatly appreciated.

Don't want to come empty handed so thought I might post a few pics from past Rio trip - enjoy.

I have also posted same post in Hotels and Apartments thread - different pics though.

Hey Bad Boy Billy,

Are "Rio4" girls from Karla Models?

One or two of them look familiar. Jejeje

i have a friend thats going to rio in may and he wants to know where he can find girls that do [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord135][CodeWord135][/url](shit play) and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101][/url](getting pissed on)?

hey, it sounds crazy but i try to accomodate all tastes, no matter how weird or sick they are.

There is one lady in L'uomo who fits this description. she has some ink and dresses in what looks like black leather to enhance the effecf but I didn't get close enough to really tell.

Unfortunately, they usualy don't get into this until they are approaching or have passed their 'sell by' date. Now, to find a smoking 22 yo with abs would be great but this is very unusual. Of course there are the mesomorphs, the naturals, like Pietra, who, BTW, was smoking last night!

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]... attractive little place across the street is always deserted (yellow with green trim).[/QUOTE]
SHD - this is sarcasm, right? You are referring to Emporio?

Barthodomeu now huh? Man, that places changes name more often that I change my socks. Unlilke Emporio which has stayed pretty much the same for 20 years.

Cafeina - hmmmmm. You know, I have only ever been there (the one of Farme) for breakfast. Need to check it out in the evening. But you are right, there are more gay guys that you can shake a stick at. A friend of mine was banging one of the waitresses there about a year ago. Thanks for the tip.

Sadly, I have not been to Rio since last April but that is going to change soon.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]There is one lady in L'uomo who fits this description. she has some ink and dresses in what looks like black leather to enhance the effecf but I didn't get close enough to really tell.

Unfortunately, they usualy don't get into this until they are approaching or have passed their 'sell by' date. Now, to find a smoking 22 yo with abs would be great but this is very unusual. Of course there are the mesomorphs, the naturals, like Pietra, who, BTW, was smoking last night![/QUOTE]


Mess with her you better pack a lunch but she s a sweetie and very good

hi gents,
how is the terma scene lately? i had heard sommuch griping the past few weeks, i am a little worried!
has any new circus opened up to fill the void left by helpee?

anyone in gig next week wanna catch a drink etc., please pm me.
b.

[QUOTE=Jake993]SHD - this is sarcasm, right? You are referring to Emporio?

Barthodomeu now huh? Man, that places changes name more often that I change my socks. Unlilke Emporio which has stayed pretty much the same... [/QUOTE]

Actually, I've never been in it. It is alwyas pretty empty so why go in. It just looks like chicks would go there. Wood frame with windows, multilevel seating ... but I don't know. What's wrong with it?

Anyway, the good thing about finding a place ladies like to go is the numbers. Lots of them so better chances. The down side is they go in groups which presents challenges. Also, in a place like Cafeina, they may be off their guard.

It's at least an interesting diversion. Even though Farme is the gay street, you can sit there and see some of Rio'a finest women walk by. Also, Rota 66 next door is a good possibility.

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]Actually, I've never been in it. It is alwyas pretty empty so why go in. It just looks like chicks would go there. Wood frame with windows, multilevel seating ... but I don't know. What's wrong with it?

Anyway, the good thing about finding a place ladies like to go is the numbers. Lots of them so better chances. The down side is they go in groups which presents challenges. Also, in a place like Cafeina, they may be off their guard.

It's at least an interesting diversion. Even though Farme is the gay street, you can sit there and see some of Rio'a finest women walk by. Also, Rota 66 next door is a good possibility.[/QUOTE]
Emporio opens most nights at 23:00 (11:00 PM) and seldom closes before 5:00 AM. It rarely gets going before 12:30 AM. If you show up at 2:00 AM on Thursdays night the place will have spilled out onto the street. Show up at 3:30 AM and there are drunk sluts (non-GDP's) laughing and carrying on. It can be hit or miss but I have dropped by a few times for a night cap at 3:00 AM and have ended up bringing a girl home a couple of times. In fact, once I brought one home because she was so drunk I didn't think she would make it back to her parent place in Laranjeiras. Once I got her to my room she passed out on the sofa with a drink in her hand. You can imagine her surprise when she woke up at 8:00 AM not knowing where she was (I know the feeling well).

Hi, I am new to the Brazilian scene and would appreciate if someone could clear up some terminology. On Karla Models, the description of the girls use words like "inicante" and "completinha", does this hint to any inhibitions that the girls have? I hear that many girls in Brazil have no problems with DFK, BBBJ, CIM and anal, but it there any tell-tale words that they use to indicate that it's going to be a big no-no (inicante not wanting to do stuff)?

Also Karla Models seem to have really low price quote (R$120/2h), but I read good things about them here in the forum. What's the catch? And how come one can't find any other acompanhantes site with similar prices (minimum $200/1h). I won't be venturing out too much, but would like to have lady guests in my apartment regularly. Do girls in Termas give you their number and do freelance visits too?

Thanks so much!

[QUOTE=Stinky Squid] On Karla Models, the description of the girls use words like "inicante" and "completinha", does this hint to any inhibitions that the girls have?
Also Karla Models seem to have really low price quote (R$120/2h), but I read good things about them here in the forum. What's the catch? And how come one can't find any other acompanhantes site with similar prices (minimum $200/1h).
Thanks so much![/QUOTE]

There are many on this board who speak better Portuguese than me but for lack of any responses, I will say that the word "inicante" is like the English word Initial so in my opinion they are using it here to say that the girl is a beginner. "completinha" on the other hand refers to the fact that the girl provides complete service which is usually a code word for does anal.

[url]http://www.hotside.com.br/app/site/capa/[/url]

The above site has a list of independents but not low priced usually but if you scroll down the page you will come to some advertisements of other escort agencies, one such agency StarCris I see advertised as 100 reais but I’m not sure if that is for 2 hours or not but for sure they are competitively priced as well as CIA to Karla models.

I have never used Karla models but have used CIA and StarCris on numerous occasions, the catch usually is that although the girls are young and have good attitudes and provide good service they usually don't resemble runway models. While in most cases this may not be necessary they usually provide an adequate product and service for the money. You will get value and a bang for your buck here as compared to the current high prices of the high end termas that run near 300 reais for a 40 min session.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]There are many on this board who speak better Portuguese than me but for lack of any responses, I will say that the word "inicante" is like the English word Initial so in my opinion they are using it here to say that the girl is a beginner. .[/QUOTE]Yes but it is spelled wrong

Is actually "Iniciante"

[QUOTE=Jake993]Emporio opens most nights at 23:00 (11:00 PM) and seldom closes before 5:00 AM. It rarely gets going before 12:30 AM. If you show up at 2:00 AM on Thursdays night the place will have spilled out onto the street. Show up at 3:30 AM and there are drunk sluts (non-GDP's) laughing and carrying on. It can be hit or miss but I have dropped by a few times for a night cap at 3:00 AM and have ended up bringing a girl home a couple of times. In fact, once I brought one home because she was so drunk I didn't think she would make it back to her parent place in Laranjeiras. Once I got her to my room she passed out on the sofa with a drink in her hand. You can imagine her surprise when she woke up at 8:00 AM not knowing where she was (I know the feeling well).[/QUOTE]

Below is an excerpt of something I found googling Emporio, gonna have to put this place on my radar.


[QUOTE]Located in in Ipanema, the Emporio bar has long been a famous meeting point for rock and alternative music lovers. However, fame from various travel institutions has also change the atmosphere by attracting tourists, drug sellers, prostitutes and Brazilian fortune hunters wanting to meet tourists.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Below is an excerpt of something I found googling Emporio, gonna have to put this place on my radar.

"[i]However, fame from various travel institutions has also change the atmosphere by attracting tourists, drug sellers, prostitutes and Brazilian fortune hunters wanting to meet tourists[/i][/QUOTE] Yeah, baby!!!! That sounds pretty accurate. It's the quintessential after hours club that attracts the dark underbelly of respectable Carioca society plus a whole host of "bad girls" looking to party. How can you not like it?

[quote=jake993]yeah, baby!!!! that sounds pretty accurate. it's the quintessential after hours club that attracts the dark underbelly of respectable carioca society plus a whole host of "bad girls" looking to party. how can you not like it?[/quote]

emporio has been around for years. i am pretty sure it is even in rio for partiers. it used to have a good rock night.
i am puzzled why long term members haven't heard of it. in a place where clubs come and go with alarming speed it has been a mainstay for a long time.
take time out to read the paper on fridays if you want to find out whats happening in which club and if any new places have arrived.

[QUOTE=Abzsafado]...
I am puzzled why long term members haven't heard of it...[/QUOTE]

Or they just did not want to have there tons of horny mongers :D

I read through the first 10 pages on here but couldn't find any info on the higher end night clubs mostly just info about help which is closed. Could someone name some higher end night clubs like a cafe photo in SP? I'm staying in Rio in Barra da Tijuca for 2 days only.

Thanks

Horny mongers have been showing up at Empório for years.

[quote=bizzie]hi gents,
how is the terma scene lately? i had heard sommuch griping the past few weeks, i am a little worried!
has any new circus opened up to fill the void left by helpee?

anyone in gig next week wanna catch a drink etc., please pm me.
b.[/quote]

circus to gill the void left by help: balcony and disco next to balcony, was it called dolce vida ??
lot of girls outside both places. this dolce vida is help nowadays, same gilrs (who are left). much much smaller but same kind of action.
balcony has too much crowd and everybody are uncomfortable, girls and customer, it is too hot, service is sometimes slow and toilets are like brasilian prison: many men in small room with temperature 60 degrees celcius.
this small disco upstairs is more comfortable, there is working airconditioning. better looking girls go there.

you can just stay outside of both places and talk to the girls there, and drink beer there, like many men seems to do.

circus is good word for it, big circus.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Or they just did not want to have there tons of horny mongers :D[/QUOTE]
Well, THAT'S true enough. But quite honestly I don't think most mongers have the patience for it. Traditionally there have been very few GDP who frequent Emporio. But that may have changed with the demise of HELP. The other time (yes, there were only two) I took a girl (non-GDP) home from Emporio, she asked me to leave first and that she would meet me in the hotel lobby in ten minutes because she did not want to be seen leaving Emporio with a gringo because of what rumors might spread about her.
The surprising thing was that she ACTUALLY showed up!

I tried to call a couple of recommended agencies, including Karla and Scortshow. But the girls picking up the phone do not speak English. Any high-end agency that has operator who can speak English? many thanks,


[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]There are many on this board who speak better Portuguese than me but for lack of any responses, I will say that the word "inicante" is like the English word Initial so in my opinion they are using it here to say that the girl is a beginner. "completinha" on the other hand refers to the fact that the girl provides complete service which is usually a code word for does anal.

[url]http://www.hotside.com.br/app/site/capa/[/url]

The above site has a list of independents but not low priced usually but if you scroll down the page you will come to some advertisements of other escort agencies, one such agency StarCris I see advertised as 100 reais but I’m not sure if that is for 2 hours or not but for sure they are competitively priced as well as CIA to Karla models.

I have never used Karla models but have used CIA and StarCris on numerous occasions, the catch usually is that although the girls are young and have good attitudes and provide good service they usually don't resemble runway models. While in most cases this may not be necessary they usually provide an adequate product and service for the money. You will get value and a bang for your buck here as compared to the current high prices of the high end termas that run near 300 reais for a 40 min session.[/QUOTE]

[quote=abzsafado]emporio has been around for years. i am pretty sure it is even in rio for partiers. it used to have a good rock night.
i am puzzled why long term members haven't heard of it. in a place where clubs come and go with alarming speed it has been a mainstay for a long time.
take time out to read the paper on fridays if you want to find out whats happening in which club and if any new places have arrived.[/quote]

everybody has their parameters. i am not usually up for an all night adventure so don't really work at it that hard. if i am going to put some effort and time into it, i direct that to the music scene which is more interesting to me.

as far as garotas, i prefer to have a great time in a terma with the option of getting out early. the thrill of the hunt is outweighed by a good sleep.

another reason for married guys to leave this alone is what do you do if you actually catch one? muito complicado.

in fact if you live in rio for a while, you will probably have a lot of opportunities from the women in your social network. brasileiras, like their male counterparts, do a lot of fu@king around.

as far as emporio, i have only been around there for dinner so was unaware of the late night crowd. maybe i'll check it out.

so many garotas, so little time.

[QUOTE=Laogua]I tried to call a couple of recommended agencies, including Karla and Scortshow. But the girls picking up the phone do not speak English. Any high-end agency that has operator who can speak English? many thanks,[/QUOTE]

Look at the Hotside site, some of the independents say if they speak English or not.

Anyway why do you need someone to speak English? Just state the name of the girl and your address and tell her to come now (agora).

Jesabel, 1010 avenue atlantica, agora
or if you want a blond:
Loira, 1010 avenue atlantica, agora
or if you want a brunette:
Morena, 1010 avenue atlantica, agora

And tell them your telephone number.

[QUOTE=Laogua]...Any high-end agency that has operator who can speak English?..[/QUOTE]

For what ?!?

Some reais or even couple of bottle of beers and big smile to doorman with a piece of paper with written number of telephone of agency and name of girls you want, so fast, so easy but hey you do not have to be shy ;)

And think....in this way, you will make happy not only you but the doorman too :D

Mongers-

Emporio is the bar that "everybody" goes to essentially when there is no other place to go, as it is open 7 days a week until about 5am. It is a hot, dirty, overcrowded place, similar in some ways to the bar I myself own in Buenos Aires. The men's bathroom at Emporio is guaranteed to have at least an inch of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on the floor at all times. The best bet is to get a table on the covered porch in front of one of the high powered fans in order to be reasonably comfortable. The waitress service out there is fast and you can keep the chopp coming as fast as you can drink 'em (and they are cheap).

As for the types of female customers who frequent the place; I have seen everything from Centaurus girls (funny story, girls I saw earlier in the day, didn't bang in Centaurus, then pulled out of Emporio at 5am for R$ 100), part-time pro Help girls, plenty of Brasilian and foreign non-pros, and a few MILF's here and there. As a result of it being the last bar in Ipanema to close, there is truly a mix of everybody in this place.

Sorte,
Rock Harders

[QUOTE=Hobbying]I read through the first 10 pages on here but couldn't find any info on the higher end night clubs mostly just info about help which is closed. Could someone name some higher end night clubs like a cafe photo in SP? I'm staying in Rio in Barra da Tijuca for 2 days only.

Thanks[/QUOTE]


If by high end , you mean obscene amount of money for average service with lots of restrictions, then Barbarella is the place to visit in Rio. It is located in Copa, at the intersection of Princessa Isabel. Any taxi would know the place.

Another place to shun is Terma Centaurus.

Hint: More $$$$ does not correlate with better service in Brazil.

[quote=leblon]circus to gill the void left by help: balcony and disco next to balcony, was it called dolce vida ??
lot of girls outside both places. this dolce vida is help nowadays, same gilrs (who are left). much much smaller but same kind of action.
balcony has too much crowd and everybody are uncomfortable, girls and customer, it is too hot, service is sometimes slow and toilets are like brasilian prison: many men in small room with temperature 60 degrees celcius.
this small disco upstairs is more comfortable, there is working airconditioning. better looking girls go there.

you can just stay outside of both places and talk to the girls there, and drink beer there, like many men seems to do.

circus is good word for it, big circus.[/quote]

i only have a few days but certainly will give it a go and check the helpee leftovers:)
there was some place supposed to open up in arpoador(?) that i heard about. any news on that?

[QUOTE=Tiradentes]If by high end, you mean obscene amount of money for average service with lots of restrictions, then Barbarella is the place to visit in Rio. It is located in Copa, at the intersection of Princessa Isabel. Any taxi would know the place. I know places like cafe photo can be a tourist trap but if they are hot than I am willing to pay the price.

Another place to shun is Terma Centaurus.

Hint: More $$$$ does not correlate with better service in Brazil.[/QUOTE]well high end meaning where I can find a 10 scale girls. Sometimes they're so hot you fore go the anal and or bbjtc since I won't be in Rio long I don't have time to search for the gems and rather just get to the point asap. If the girls are the types I like than I will return to Rio. I've been going only to sao paulo because the quality of girls and service there. Interestingly alot of girls come from Rio to work the weekdays and return to Rio on the weekends because they know sao pualo is where the money is.

[QUOTE=Laogua]I tried to call a couple of recommended agencies, including Karla and Scortshow. But the girls picking up the phone do not speak English. Any high-end agency that has operator who can speak English? many thanks,[/QUOTE]Here are some agencies that advertises they speak english:

[url]http://www.mariasemvergonha.net/paginas/ensaios.html[/url]

[url]http://www.pecadocarioca.com/principal.html[/url]

[url]http://www.vipgoldrj.com/paginas/ensaios.html[/url]

[quote=hobbying]well high end meaning where i can find a 10 scale girls. sometimes they're so hot you fore go the anal and or bbjtc since i won't be in rio long i don't have time to search for the gems and rather just get to the point asap. if the girls are the types i like than i will return to rio. i've been going only to sao paulo because the quality of girls and service there. interestingly alot of girls come from rio to work the weekdays and return to rio on the weekends because they know sao pualo is where the money is.[/quote]that makes sense, since sao paulo is the financial capital of brasil and south america. the girls go where the brazilian clients will pay the most. only rio has the gringo who pay the barbarella and centuras girl prices. but with balcony being the new helpee and a meat market with favela prices, copa termas and barbarella will be cheap like balcony and the pussycat like strip clubs.

i was walking home from balcony to my apartment on ns de copacabana blvd and av djalma ulrich and a block or two walking toawards meia pataca from balcony there was a guy passing out flyers at 3am, for a club where there are girls. i went in it was like pussycat strip club with girls dressed like call girls, meaning club wear. you pick a girl, pay a house fee and you take the girl to your apartment for $150 for a few hours. there was a nice dark girl wearing all white that got my attention. but it was dark, i was a little boozed, so i walked out to my apartment because i didn't trust my eyes and mind. the guy seemed to be targeting gringos with the flyers, like all copa solicitors. so there are other peddler of gdp that will further affect the outrageously high priced copa termas and barbarella. it's the gdp economy bubble bursting.

[quote=bizzie]i only have a few days but certainly will give it a go and check the helpee leftovers:)
there was some place supposed to open up in arpoador(?) that i heard about. any news on that?[/quote]

i don't know where you got the arpoador from, maybe from this forum but that was an old rumor, some years back that the help owners were going to reopen in the old bingo arpoador location, but that doesn't seem to hold water anymore.

a more recent rumor was that the owners of help had bought the old vacant hotel meriden and were currently renovating the old space in the basement of the hotel that was once club regines many many moons ago. this renovation was supposed to be ready end of march 2010. doesn't seem to be much noise about this lately either.

Just heard this morning from my "boots on the ground" contact in Rio. The word he has is the Meridien is being remodeled with a separate entrance for the hotel and for the disco, with the disco being on the TOP FLOOR. We all know SOMETHING is going on at the Meridien as it is swathed in scaffolding and such.

Thanks to the guys who responded via PM to my recent request for assistance regarding luxury Apartments.

A special word of thanks to the comedian who suggested I contact GringoManagement - I really don't think so.

Also posted in Rio Apartment section with different pics.

[quote=jamaicanceo]that makes sense, since sao paulo is the financial capital of brasil and south america. the girls go where the brazilian clients will pay the most. only rio has the gringo who pay the barbarella and centuras girl prices. but with balcony being the new helpee and a meat market with favela prices, copa termas and barbarella will be cheap like balcony and the pussycat like strip clubs.

i was walking home from balcony to my apartment on ns de copacabana blvd and av djalma ulrich and a block or two walking toawards meia pataca from balcony there was a guy passing out flyers at 3am, for a club where there are girls. i went in it was like pussycat strip club with girls dressed like call girls, meaning club wear. you pick a girl, pay a house fee and you take the girl to your apartment for $150 for a few hours. there was a nice dark girl wearing all white that got my attention. but it was dark, i was a little boozed, so i walked out to my apartment because i didn't trust my eyes and mind. the guy seemed to be targeting gringos with the flyers, like all copa solicitors. so there are other peddler of gdp that will further affect the outrageously high priced copa termas and barbarella. it's the gdp economy bubble bursting.[/quote]

hey ceo,
did you mean 150 reals or us?
where is the place?
do you really want to walk back drunk at 3am!!
got here today but the rain screwed up the entire day.
will try balcony tonight or the upstairs disco.
anyone heading that wat tonight? pm me.

[QUOTE=Bizzie]Hey CEO,

Did you mean 150 reals or US?

Where is the place?

Do you really want to walk back drunk at 3AM!

Got here today but the rain screwed up the entire day.

Will try Balcony tonight or the upstairs disco.

Anyone heading that what tonight? PM me.[/QUOTE]Hi Bizzie,

I meant 150 Reais. You're right I am getting too comfortable in Copa. I should've taken a taxi. The strip club is a few blocks west of Balcony. There is someone passing out flyers, and they will let you look in to see the girls. It looks like the PussyCat inside.

Don't waste your time in Dolce Vita. It's too small and too crowded. Looks like rain for yo through Tuesday.

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