American Politics

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2559408]Thanks for the link proving you wrong.

It says "temporary" "restrictions" of "most" and "some".

No where does it say that Trump "blocked all the flights from China and banned Chinese from entering USA. I am sure that" or anything remotely like it.

Now post a link proving that Biden never called Trump a racist for his "temporary restriction of most flights out of China and requiring a quarantine of some passengers on those flights", please.[/QUOTE]Of course it was temporary. Trump can't ban Chinese for ever. Get real. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2559370]Why do you constantly post stuff that is demonstrably false and can be disproven with a 10-second internet search? ...[/QUOTE]Answer:

1) he lives in a disinformation zone. Unfortunately, it's difficult to see how this will be rectified in the near future. Fox, OANN, et al have successfully monetized fear and disinformation. A good first step would be if the FCC would reinstitute the "Fairness Doctrine", which they did away with by simple majority vote in 1987. "Monetizing the amygdala" -- I wish I'd made that up.

2) he is subject to conspiracy theories. This is true for most humans. The ability to believe in conspiracies is strongly correlated with lack of education and lower intelligence. To be fair, we all want to assign agency to phenomena that we don't understand. In science, usually the simplest explanations of phenomena turn out to be true. William of Occam used this idea to counter what he considered the fuzzy logic of his theological contemporaries -- "Occam's Razor". Conspiracies around the 2020 Presidential results involve: ballots from China, fradulent voting machines, black people voting multiple times, complicit Republican election officials, Hugo Chavez, etc; whereas, the much simpler, evidence based explanation that six million more people voted for Biden is disregarded. The more incredible a conspiracy is the more complicated and convoluted the explanation has to be -- look at microchips in vaccines or belief in a flat earth. Why are some people more susceptible to conspiracies? My guess it that it is correlated with belief in religion. Once you have allocated a portion of your brain to believing that there is an invisible Ghost in the Sky that is giving you instructions, it means you can believe anything. This ability to believe unreasonable ideas makes these people particularly good marks for scams. I would like to ask the correspondent if he has bought Trump merchandise, "supplements" from Alex Jones, or has taken chlorine dioxide (MMS).

3) he is inherently an authoritarian. I mean there is an evolutionary reason why authoritarianism exists in primates (and other social animals). Surrending executive functions (run, hide, fight, eat here, sleep there) to the alpha frees up energy and resources of the rest of the pack for feeding and sex. In return, we give the alpha extra food, sex, grooming, fancy cars, etc. Having a rigid hierarchy, and knowing your place in it, is comforting to most animals. The real question is why this person (and 74 million other Americans) believe and follow this risible and truly pathetic person. Obviously, Trump successfully simulated ability for these people for five years; however, you'd think his weakness and decrepitutde would be clear to them by now. I guess it's not too surprising when you look how troupes of other primates look after the leader because they don't want their comforting position in the social structure to change. Even when the alpha is too weak to physically engage, he is defended by the betas (Kevin McCarthy, Lindsey Graham, Jim Jordan, etc) until is clear that he is incapable of self defense or retribution -- then they will fight for his position. The mystery is why Trump's followers haven't figured yet out that he is a weak, old, decrepit fraud -- a loser.

[QUOTE=Canada;2559415]...Are you really this stupid?[/QUOTE]Suggestion: strengthen your rhetoric by avoiding ad hominen arguments.

[QUOTE=Canada;2559381]Yes I see now that you admit Trump banned Chines from entering after the virus hit Washington. All flights from China to Seattle were stopped from China to slow the virus. And yes Trump allowed Chines with Americans to return to USA and made them quarantine much the same as Americans that were traveling in Asia on cruise ships. He did this to save lives even though he was being bashed by democrats CNN and NSNBC. The virus was in USA because it was brought in previously from China. Where it started. Every country in the world got the virus from China. Every Republican will admit that China had already brought the virus in when Trump did this.[/QUOTE]Again, why do you post stuff that is easily disproved? Many voluntarily self-quarantined as the following states. [URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/thousands-americans-voluntarily-self-quarantine-after-returning-china-n1138731[/URL].

In addition, none of them were trump supporters because they would have said "This is against my rights."

And you admit that Donnie shut the barn door after the horses escaped. Only a trump supporter would say that that move kept the horses in the barn.

[QUOTE=Canada;2559379]Liberal fact checking at its nest. Every news outlet in the USA had Trump banning Chinese nationals in January 2020 and one Liberal fact checker twists the words so socialists can say it never happened. You are a joke. It explains who you are.

Biden is in damage control now totally screwing up the USA and you are still blaming Trump for everything. Where is the hate for Biden for what he is doing to the American people. If Trump had done 10% of what Biden did they would be talking impeachment.

Why are you anti American. What country are you from?[/QUOTE]Why can't you admit that COVID can't read? Trump admitted plenty of people carrying the virus because Chinese nationals weren't the only carriers. But like a good trump supporter you just bloviate and tell lies. All of us with brains know this. We just laugh at what you say.

"Your candidate lost. Suck it up snowflake. Conservative tears sure do taste good. Screw your feelings."

Karma's a *****, isn't it.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2559416]Answer:

1) he lives in a disinformation zone. Unfortunately, it's difficult to see how this will be rectified in the near future. Fox, OANN, et al have successfully monetized fear and disinformation. A good first step would be if the FCC would reinstitute the "Fairness Doctrine", which they did away with by simple majority vote in 1987. "Monetizing the amygdala" -- I wish I'd made that up.

2) he is subject to conspiracy theories. This is true for most humans. The ability to believe in conspiracies is strongly correlated with lack of education and lower intelligence. To be fair, we all want to assign agency to phenomena that we don't understand. In science, usually the simplest explanations of phenomena turn out to be true. William of Occam used this idea to counter what he considered the fuzzy logic of his theological contemporaries -- "Occam's Razor". Conspiracies around the 2020 Presidential results involve: ballots from China, fradulent voting machines, black people voting multiple times, complicit Republican election officials, Hugo Chavez, etc; whereas, the much simpler, evidence based explanation that six million more people voted for Biden is disregarded. The more incredible a conspiracy is the more complicated and convoluted the explanation has to be -- look at microchips in vaccines or belief in a flat earth. Why are some people more susceptible to conspiracies? My guess it that it is correlated with belief in religion. Once you have allocated a portion of your brain to believing that there is an invisible Ghost in the Sky that is giving you instructions, it means you can believe anything. This ability to believe unreasonable ideas makes these people particularly good marks for scams. I would like to ask the correspondent if he has bought Trump merchandise, "supplements" from Alex Jones, or has taken chlorine dioxide (MMS)..[/QUOTE]No mystery at all.

What is 60' long with 12 teeth? The front row at a trump rally.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2559416]Once you have allocated a portion of your brain to believing that there is an invisible Ghost in the Sky that is giving you instructions, it means you can believe anything.[/QUOTE]This is a blustery caricature of religious belief, which likely stems from past bad experiences and bitterness. This is understandable as there are some bad folks promoting it. Though not especially religious myself, I don't consider everyone who is a fool. This universe is incredibly complex and with jaw dropping beauty, to say the least. It's not unreasonable to believe there's higher intelligence behind it, which typically involves some form of immanence, and beyond more primitive / anthropomorphic expressions. One can argue it unwise to toss out the baby with the bath water.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2559416]Even when the alpha is too weak to physically engage, he is defended by the betas (Kevin McCarthy, Lindsey Graham, Jim Jordan, etc) until is clear that he is incapable of self defense or retribution[/QUOTE]This whole alpha / beta business is a false dichotomy or dilemma / black and white thinking error as there's loads of gray area in this matter.

[URL]https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/the_myth_of_the_alpha_male[/URL]

[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/False-Dilemma[/URL]

That said the rest of your post, or what I remember of it was pretty good.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2559416]Answer:

1) he lives in a disinformation zone. Unfortunately, it's difficult to see how this will be rectified in the near future. Fox, OANN, et al have successfully monetized fear and disinformation. A good first step would be if the FCC would reinstitute the "Fairness Doctrine", which they did away with by simple majority vote in 1987. "Monetizing the amygdala" -- I wish I'd made that up.

2) he is subject to conspiracy theories. This is true for most humans. The ability to believe in conspiracies is strongly correlated with lack of education and lower intelligence. To be fair, we all want to assign agency to phenomena that we don't understand. In science, usually the simplest explanations of phenomena turn out to be true. William of Occam used this idea to counter what he considered the fuzzy logic of his theological contemporaries -- "Occam's Razor". Conspiracies around the 2020 Presidential results involve: ballots from China, fradulent voting machines, black people voting multiple times, complicit Republican election officials, Hugo Chavez, etc; whereas, the much simpler, evidence based explanation that six million more people voted for Biden is disregarded. The more incredible a conspiracy is the more complicated and convoluted the explanation has to be -- look at microchips in vaccines or belief in a flat earth. Why are some people more susceptible to conspiracies? My guess it that it is correlated with belief in religion. Once you have allocated a portion of your brain to believing that there is an invisible Ghost in the Sky that is giving you instructions, it means you can believe anything. This ability to believe unreasonable ideas makes these people particularly good marks for scams. I would like to ask the correspondent if he has bought Trump merchandise, "supplements" from Alex Jones, or has taken chlorine dioxide (MMS)..[/QUOTE]What has this got to do with the incompetent Biden administration and the confusion he is in? When are you guys going to start realizing the trouble USA is in? These aren't Trump issues. Biden created all of them in 4 months. When are you going to own up to it?

[QUOTE=Canada;2559444]What has this got to do with the incompetent Biden administration and the confusion he is in? When are you guys going to start realizing the trouble USA is in? These aren't Trump issues. Biden created all of them in 4 months. When are you going to own up to it?[/QUOTE]The problem is that your points have been refuted one by one, over and over, and with facts and source citations. Your method and that of Trump and his other proteges is to ignore the rebuttals by changing the subject or repeating the same lies over and over again. It's very predictable, and frankly one has to be pretty bored to continue playing this game with you. You'll of course be the last man standing, will be here posting until if and when the site becomes defunct or hell freezes over. So anyone else seeking to get in the last word, forget it. Never underestimate a Trump fan's dedication. Lololol.

[QUOTE=Canada;2559444]What has this got to do with the incompetent Biden administration and the confusion he is in? When are you guys going to start realizing the trouble USA is in? These aren't Trump issues. Biden created all of them in 4 months. When are you going to own up to it?[/QUOTE]Donnie took 4 years to destroy the USA. Biden can't fix it in a few months, especially with Republicans blocking everything.

After reading this forum regularly I can come to 2 conclusions. The first is that there is really no point in continuing because the 2 sides are never going to agree on a single thing when neither will accept the other sides version of "proof". The second is that Canada must change his user name. Given that he is more "trumpian" than even most Americans he is an embarrassment to the great majority of us, that us being an ordinary, relatively well informed populace that could not stand Trump to start with, and surely have no love for him now. I will turn the forum over for suggested alternatives.

No signs of intelligent life here. Beam me up Scotty. Can't save then anyway, an asteroid is on its way. It's rare that I put an entire thread on Ignore. Why not rename it Stupid Shit, like a few others.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2559459]Donnie took 4 years to destroy the USA. Biden can't fix it in a few months, especially with Republicans blocking everything.[/QUOTE]Name one thing Biden needs to fix. Trump had the border under control and Biden fixed it. Now we have a crises. Trump had economy booming and unemployment for blacks, Hispanics and women at an all time low before the China pandemic. If Biden did nothing Trump economy would return but unfortunately Biden is fixing it. Economy will go in the tank and inflation will skyrocket. When is Biden going to fix anything? Does anybody have a clue?

[QUOTE=Canada;2559484]Name one thing Biden needs to fix. Trump had the border under control and Biden fixed it. Now we have a crises. Trump had economy booming and unemployment for blacks, Hispanics and women at an all time low before the China pandemic. If Biden did nothing Trump economy would return but unfortunately Biden is fixing it. Economy will go in the tank and inflation will skyrocket. When is Biden going to fix anything? Does anybody have a clue?[/QUOTE]The China trade fiasco that has seen the current account explode, the education system, the environmental blunders / pollution control, Iran, Nth Korea, relationships with allies, climate, democracy, the pandemic, general civility, bring back that telling the truth is expected, health care, rule of law, ethics. How long a list do you need.

Now I know you are going to whine about a whole lot of irrelevancies with no factual evidence or a bunch of made up facts that we will need to fact check you on or do your homework for you but why don't you take a break and just let the democrats once again fix all the problems for you. Like in California which since the 2009 recession has had the highest economic growth in the country. Why is that? Because they have education, good infrastructure, good medical care and a strong successful economy. Sort of debunks all your socialism tropes!

[QUOTE=Canada;2559484]Name one thing Biden needs to fix. Trump had the border under control and Biden fixed it. Now we have a crises. Trump had economy booming and unemployment for blacks, Hispanics and women at an all time low before the China pandemic. If Biden did nothing Trump economy would return but unfortunately Biden is fixing it. Economy will go in the tank and inflation will skyrocket. When is Biden going to fix anything? Does anybody have a clue?[/QUOTE]See attached a chart for the USA Unemployment Rate from 2008 to present from the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics. A breakdown by race and gender would look essentially the same.

As everyone can see, the dramatic rise in the unemployment rate that occurred under GW Bush was brought down under Obama-Biden beginning in 2009 after the positive effects of their American Recovery and Re-investment Act hit the streets (with zero votes and support from any Republican) in a downward trajectory so steady and certain it would have continued in that direction until it hit historic lows within months of Obama leaving office no matter how much golf Do Nothing Trump played after taking office.

Even Trump and his GQP's one and only significant economic legislation they finally managed to vomit out on the last business day of 2017, The Tax Cut and Jobs Act, which, at a cost of $2. 5 Trillion, produced fewer jobs in the 3 years pre Trump's Pandemic than Obama-Biden's legislation produced in their last 3 years without it along with no discernable improvement in GDP Growth, could not interrupt the downward trajectory for the unemployment rate set in motion by Obama, Biden and the Dems years earlier.

Trump had absolutely nothing to do with it. And neither did any other Republican.

In fact, among Trump's monumental failings as a so-called president, his economic stewardship was arguably the worst of them. After all, his 2018 decision to defund and cripple the Pandemic Prevention and Response system and teams specifically created and developed to prevent the kind of conditions the world has had to suffer for the past 15 month as well as his lying in sync with China's Xi about the reality of it were Trump ECONOMIC decisions. He boasted about the 2018 defunding and crippling because he "saved American taxpayers" some piddling $150 million or so. And his Pandemic producing lies in early 2020 were told so as not to upset Xi in the midst of the trade negotiations that "Make sure I win!" Trump botched anyway.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2559555]See attached a chart for the USA Unemployment Rate from 2008 to present from the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics. A breakdown by race and gender would look essentially the same.

As everyone can see, the dramatic rise in the unemployment rate that occurred under GW Bush was brought down under Obama-Biden beginning in 2009 after the positive effects of their American Recovery and Re-investment Act hit the streets (with zero votes and support from any Republican) in a downward trajectory so steady and certain it would have continued in that direction until it hit historic lows within months of Obama leaving office no matter how much golf Do Nothing Trump played after taking office.

Even Trump and his GQP's one and only significant economic legislation they finally managed to vomit out on the last business day of 2017, The Tax Cut and Jobs Act, which, at a cost of $2. 5 Trillion, produced fewer jobs in the 3 years pre Trump's Pandemic than Obama-Biden's legislation produced in their last 3 years without it along with no discernable improvement in GDP Growth, could not interrupt the downward trajectory for the unemployment rate set in motion by Obama, Biden and the Dems years earlier.

Trump had absolutely nothing to do with it. And neither did any other Republican..[/QUOTE]Its pretty much a waste of time presenting facts to Canada. He is firmly in the alternative fact universe of Trumpism that any lie Trump spoke is the new truth. If you dispute the new truth you will just be subject to rants about socialism, BLM and antifa. Canada will never provide facts because he has "faith" and that is all that matters to him.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2559455]The problem is that your points have been refuted one by one, over and over, and with facts and source citations. Your method and that of Trump and his other proteges is to ignore the rebuttals by changing the subject or repeating the same lies over and over again. It's very predictable, and frankly one has to be pretty bored to continue playing this game with you. You'll of course be the last man standing, will be here posting until if and when the site becomes defunct or hell freezes over. So anyone else seeking to get in the last word, forget it. Never underestimate a Trump fan's dedication. Lololol.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I, too, am done.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2559555]See attached a chart for the USA Unemployment Rate from 2008 to present from the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics. A breakdown by race and gender would look essentially the same.

As everyone can see, the dramatic rise in the unemployment rate that occurred under GW Bush was brought down under Obama-Biden beginning in 2009 after the positive effects of their American Recovery and Re-investment Act hit the streets (with zero votes and support from any Republican) in a downward trajectory so steady and certain it would have continued in that direction until it hit historic lows within months of Obama leaving office no matter how much golf Do Nothing Trump played after taking office.

Even Trump and his GQP's one and only significant economic legislation they finally managed to vomit out on the last business day of 2017, The Tax Cut and Jobs Act, which, at a cost of $2. 5 Trillion, produced fewer jobs in the 3 years pre Trump's Pandemic than Obama-Biden's legislation produced in their last 3 years without it along with no discernable improvement in GDP Growth, could not interrupt the downward trajectory for the unemployment rate set in motion by Obama, Biden and the Dems years earlier.

Trump had absolutely nothing to do with it. And neither did any other Republican.

In fact, among Trump's monumental failings as a so-called president, his economic stewardship was arguably the worst of them. After all, his 2018 decision to defund and cripple the Pandemic Prevention and Response system and teams specifically created and developed to prevent the kind of conditions the world has had to suffer for the past 15 month as well as his lying in sync with China's Xi about the reality of it were Trump ECONOMIC decisions. He boasted about the 2018 defunding and crippling because he "saved American taxpayers" some piddling $150 million or so. And his Pandemic producing lies in early 2020 were told so as not to upset Xi in the midst of the trade negotiations that "Make sure I win!" Trump botched anyway.[/QUOTE]This is so false that it is not even worth trying to explain. Just look at the economy in 2019 compared to Obama years and the employment numbers. That explains everything.

No one on this post can name one good thing Biden has done but finally I can. Texas democrats are forcing Biden to continue with building the wall that Trump started. It is only 13.8 miles in Texas but it is desperately needed. He won't admit there is a crises but at least he agreed to continue with the wall.

[QUOTE=Canada;2559611]This is so false that it is not even worth trying to explain. Just look at the economy in 2019 compared to Obama years and the employment numbers. That explains everything.

No one on this post can name one good thing Biden has done but finally I can. Texas democrats are forcing Biden to continue with building the wall that Trump started. It is only 13.8 miles in Texas but it is desperately needed. He won't admit there is a crises but at least he agreed to continue with the wall.[/QUOTE]LOL, call evidence as false but cannot provide your own. Typical Canada. Its not that hard to find out that Trumps growth in GDP and jobs was the same rates as Obama achieved whilst Obama was reducing the deficit Trump the debt king was expanding it massively.

I previously noted a number of Biden initiatives that answered your question. Seems you have a very selective memory. We are not here to teach people who obviously don't have any learning capacity.

Student loan borrowers perplexed by Biden administration's continued defense of Trump-era lawsuits.

"When Biden was elected, I was like 'Yes, here is someone who has heard about our fight, who heard about our struggles. He'll take care of this," said Kulka, 33, who owes $10,000 in federal student loans for a certificate in medical administration. "But we're still here. I want to be optimistic, but I've been waiting for so long. ".

Justice has reversed the government's position in several high-profile cases involving the Affordable Care Act, voting rights and sentencing since Biden took office. Federal attorneys have even dropped a Trump-era lawsuit accusing Yale University of discriminating against Asian and White applicants.

Yet when comes to cases involving federal student aid, consumer attorneys say the Biden administration is moving at a glacial pace.

"I'm shocked that more than 100 days in we're still in an active appeal on something that is so opposed to what the Biden administration claims it's about," said Toby Merrill, director of the Project on Predatory Student Lending, a group representing borrowers in multiple Trump-era cases, including the class-action lawsuit in which Kulka is involved.

She added: "We won the case so all they have to do is follow the law. It's incredibly frustrating to our clients who have been waiting for so long for someone to do the right thing. ".

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/05/14/student-loan-debt-trump-biden/?outputType=amp[/URL].

[QUOTE=GDreams;2559617]LOL, call evidence as false but cannot provide your own. Typical Canada. Its not that hard to find out that Trumps growth in GDP and jobs was the same rates as Obama achieved whilst Obama was reducing the deficit Trump the debt king was expanding it massively.

I previously noted a number of Biden initiatives that answered your question. Seems you have a very selective memory. We are not here to teach people who obviously don't have any learning capacity.[/QUOTE]Here it is.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/193290/unemployment-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/[/URL]

Government statistics show USA e.

Unemployment hit all time low and more people were working in USA than ever before in 2018 and 2019. But whenever I prove it you just go to a liberal fact checker and dispute it.

[QUOTE=Canada;2559611]This is so false that it is not even worth trying to explain. Just look at the economy in 2019 compared to Obama years and the employment numbers. That explains everything.

No one on this post can name one good thing Biden has done but finally I can. Texas democrats are forcing Biden to continue with building the wall that Trump started. It is only 13.8 miles in Texas but it is desperately needed. He won't admit there is a crises but at least he agreed to continue with the wall.[/QUOTE]You seem to be under the illusion that Trump walked in and all of the sudden the economy went gangbusters. The DOW was at 6,000 when Obama took office and at 18,000 when he left. He did the hard work of cleaning up the mess Bush Light left in the wake of two unfunded, undeclared wars. Fortunately, the American people threw Trump out on his ass after four years, before he could do much irreversible damage- though he damn sure tried. Anyone who wants to go back through the ebbs and flows of the economy over the last century will see a pattern of progressives building the economy only for conservatives to come along, get us into a war, and destroy the economy, which leads the people to elect another progressive to fix it.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2559674]You seem to be under the illusion that Trump walked in and all of the sudden the economy went gangbusters. The DOW was at 6,000 when Obama took office and at 18,000 when he left. He did the hard work of cleaning up the mess Bush Light left in the wake of two unfunded, undeclared wars. Fortunately, the American people threw Trump out on his ass after four years, before he could do much irreversible damage- though he damn sure tried. Anyone who wants to go back through the ebbs and flows of the economy over the last century will see a pattern of progressives building the economy only for conservatives to come along, get us into a war, and destroy the economy, which leads the people to elect another progressive to fix it.[/QUOTE]To get the economy going and to get Americans back to work to get unemployment to record numbers Trump had to reverse a lot of Obama regulations Trump tried to reduce size of government and give more back to the people but was only partially successful. Now with Biden president he will reverse a lot of the successes of Trump and the American people and increase government and regulations which will cause companies to charge more and inflation to skyrocket. In 4 months we are well on the way with inflation at 4%. Groceries, gas, electric and lumber are the first signs of record inflation which hurts the lower income.

Families the most. Don't need to fact check this just go to the pump or grocery store and decide for yourself.

[QUOTE=Canada;2559681]...inflation at 4%. Groceries, gas, electric and lumber are the first signs of record inflation which hurts t...[/QUOTE]1) Have you ever reviewed your posts from six months or a year ago regarding Biden? What do you think your predictive accuracy has been?

2) In light of (1), why do you continue posting? Don't you examine your motives or your success rate? Do you ever think about the electricity you have wasted and perhaps the poor, innocent electrons you have murdered?

3) More critically, why do I respond? (sigh). Have you heard that old joke? "Arguing with someone on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics -- even if you win, you're still a retard. " Okay, let me take my own advice and do something far more useful: wax the car, study French verbs, masturbate, or maybe simply pass out under a tree in the back yard.

"USA —Democratic leaders across the country have called on Trump to take responsibility for his part in the sinking of the Titanic, which occurred in April of 1912.

"Until Trump admits that his hateful rhetoric led to this horrible tragedy, we will not be able to heal as a nation," said Rep. Adam Schiff of California. "We must get to the root causes of nautical disasters like this one, and we all know what the main root cause is: Donald J. Trump. ".

Leaders on the left pointed out that Trump and the right have typically been skeptical of climate change, which may have caused the iceberg that hit the Titanic to break off a glacier, dooming the vessel. They also suggested that Trump's hate and hubris reached back in time and inspired the builders of the Titanic to create such a faulty design with not enough lifeboats.

"In the age of Trump, even our early 20th century shipbuilders aren't immune to his brand of arrogance and hate," said Beto O'Rourke.

Dems also called on Trump to admit he had a hand in the creation of New Coke, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the hateful fearmongering that led to the rise of Jack the Ripper.

"Basically, all murders, all hate, all injustices since the dawn of time can be laid at Trump's feet," said Cory Booker, who is a senator in our timeline. "I am Spartacus!" he then added that Trump was also responsible for the murder of Spartacus. . . "

Full article:[URL]https://babylonbee.com/news/dems-criticize-trump-for-not-taking-ownership-of-the-sinking-of-the-titanic[/URL].

[QUOTE=Canada;2559681]To get the economy going and to get Americans back to work to get unemployment to record numbers Trump had to reverse a lot of Obama regulations Trump tried to reduce size of government and give more back to the people but was only partially successful. Now with Biden president he will reverse a lot of the successes of Trump and the American people and increase government and regulations which will cause companies to charge more and inflation to skyrocket. In 4 months we are well on the way with inflation at 4%. Groceries, gas, electric and lumber are the first signs of record inflation which hurts the lower income.

Families the most. Don't need to fact check this just go to the pump or grocery store and decide for yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2559692]1) Have you ever reviewed your posts from six months or a year ago regarding Biden? What do you think your predictive accuracy has been?

2) In light of (1), why do you continue posting? Don't you examine your motives or your success rate? Do you ever think about the electricity you have wasted and perhaps the poor, innocent electrons you have murdered?

3) More critically, why do I respond? (sigh). Have you heard that old joke? "Arguing with someone on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics -- even if you win, you're still a retard. " Okay, let me take my own advice and do something far more useful: wax the car, study French verbs, masturbate, or maybe simply pass out under a tree in the back yard.[/QUOTE]I guess you are the only one that didn't know about all the executive orders Biden did. I guess you are the only one that hasn't seen the gas price increase and I am sure you think 4% inflation in 4 months is the standard for past presidents. Which country are you living in now?

[QUOTE=Canada;2559661]Here it is.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/193290/unemployment-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/[/URL]

Government statistics show USA e.

Unemployment hit all time low and more people were working in USA than ever before in 2018 and 2019. But whenever I prove it you just go to a liberal fact checker and dispute it.[/QUOTE]Yes you are correct. He did it on the same growth rates Obama achieved. If he had done absolutely nothing the result would have been the same but without blowing out the budget deficit. I would have thought that something simple as growth being 2. 3% under Obama and basically the same under Trump would have been pretty simple for a successful businessman such as yourself to understand.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2559610]Agreed. I, too, am done.[/QUOTE]Trump cultists will always chirp the loudest and the longest. That's a given. But we got the only last word that matters, that at the polls. Now keep it up.

Everything Biden and the radicals are doing is with purpose and designed to destroy the country. "The goal is to take over America and institute one party socialism over the entire country. The ends justify the means, therefor it is OK to:

Indoctrinate children in grade school with critical race theory.

Cancel the culture, rewrite history, control the media and what people can think.

Open the border, let millions in, and give them welfare checks. Nationalize voting rules. Legalize vote harvesting with no voter ID laws so insure the desired outcome.

Politicize the police and military. Place them under control of the Democratic Party.

Get rid of the 1st and 2nd amendment to the constitution. No more freedom of speech, no more right to defend oneself.

Raise taxes, Print money, Take over the economy. The real goal.

Do away with the time honored Senate Filibuster.

And Pack your Supreme Court so all this is possible.

Did I leave anything out?

Yeah, it's all Trump's fault. He is the boogey man. The enemy of the state. Just like Goldman in Orwell's "1984".

[QUOTE=Canada;2559701]I guess you are the only one that didn't know about all the executive orders Biden did. I guess you are the only one that hasn't seen the gas price increase and I am sure you think 4% inflation in 4 months is the standard for past presidents. Which country are you living in now?[/QUOTE]Your inflation rate assertion is as absurd as Fox's "4,000 people have died after getting the vaccine so the vaccine must be at fault" lunacy.

Evidently you have forgotten that much of the world's economy has been shut down for the past year due to COVID. Many raw material suppliers and manufacturers have been shut down. Supply has been down but so has demand.

Now that the US is starting to reopen, demand is up. But supply is still down because those mentioned above have not resumed full operation. Look at computer chips as an example. Many manufacturers of consumer goods can't get the chips they need. The raw materials and manufacturing of those chips come from offshore and aren't controlled by Biden.

What does high demand but low supply result in? Inflation.

But your "it all Biden's fault" bloviating plays well to the MAGA crowd.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2559739]Trump cultists will always chirp the loudest and the longest. That's a given. But we got the only last word that matters, that at the polls. Now keep it up.[/QUOTE]Yes you have the polls and they are sinking fast on Biden. Believe it or not more people want a secure border, safe country and jobs than not.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2559813]Your inflation rate assertion is as absurd as Fox's "4,000 people have died after getting the vaccine so the vaccine must be at fault" lunacy.

Evidently you have forgotten that much of the world's economy has been shut down for the past year due to COVID. Many raw material suppliers and manufacturers have been shut down. Supply has been down but so has demand.

Now that the US is starting to reopen, demand is up. But supply is still down because those mentioned above have not resumed full operation. Look at computer chips as an example. Many manufacturers of consumer goods can't get the chips they need. The raw materials and manufacturing of those chips come from offshore and aren't controlled by Biden.

What does high demand but low supply result in? Inflation.

But your "it all Biden's fault" bloviating plays well to the MAGA crowd.[/QUOTE]For the last 4 years anything that went wrong in the country was blamed on the president. 4 years was all Trump fault. Now that there is crises everywhere Biden can't be blamed for anything. Really? None of the issues at the border, Israel, inflation, cyber ransoms riots and highest crime in USA in 10 years are not Biden fault? The weakest president ever since Carter and Obama and you don't think the rest of the world won't take advantage of it. The rest of the world is gloating at the demise of America. Weak foreign policy will come to haunt us.

You don't think Biden cancelling pipelines, stopping all drilling on federal lands and more regulations for oil companies doesn't impact gas prices? You don't think if it costs more to produce oil and gas that gas prices will stay low? In 4 months of Biden we are now starting to have to import oil from Middle East again. There were no restrictions during Covid for food manufacturers or growers but groceries are higher. The lower income and middle class are suffering the most with Biden policy. You must be so proud.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2559803]Everything Biden and the radicals are doing is with purpose and designed to destroy the country. "The goal is to take over America and institute one party socialism over the entire country. The ends justify the means, therefor it is OK to:

Indoctrinate children in grade school with critical race theory.

Cancel the culture, rewrite history, control the media and what people can think.

Open the border, let millions in, and give them welfare checks. Nationalize voting rules. Legalize vote harvesting with no voter ID laws so insure the desired outcome.

Politicize the police and military. Place them under control of the Democratic Party.

Get rid of the 1st and 2nd amendment to the constitution. No more freedom of speech, no more right to defend oneself.

Raise taxes, Print money, Take over the economy. The real goal.

Do away with the time honored Senate Filibuster.

And Pack your Supreme Court so all this is possible.

Did I leave anything out?

Yeah, it's all Trump's fault. He is the boogey man. The enemy of the state. Just like Goldman in Orwell's "1984".[/QUOTE]Great post but most on this site aren't smart enough to realize it. The lower income.

, middle class and small business are getting hurt the worst but most of the posters on this site don't care as long as they achieve socialism and cancel culture.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2559803]Everything Biden and the radicals are doing is with purpose and designed to destroy the country. "The goal is to take over America and institute one party socialism over the entire country. The ends justify the means, therefor it is OK to:

Indoctrinate children in grade school with critical race theory.

Cancel the culture, rewrite history, control the media and what people can think.

Open the border, let millions in, and give them welfare checks. Nationalize voting rules. Legalize vote harvesting with no voter ID laws so insure the desired outcome.

Politicize the police and military. Place them under control of the Democratic Party.

Get rid of the 1st and 2nd amendment to the constitution. No more freedom of speech, no more right to defend oneself.[/QUOTE]I think you covered it, buddy. Well said.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2559803]Everything Biden and the radicals are doing is with purpose and designed to destroy the country. "The goal is to take over America and institute one party socialism over the entire country. The ends justify the means, therefor it is OK to:

Indoctrinate children in grade school with critical race theory.

Cancel the culture, rewrite history, control the media and what people can think.

Open the border, let millions in, and give them welfare checks. Nationalize voting rules. Legalize vote harvesting with no voter ID laws so insure the desired outcome.

Politicize the police and military. Place them under control of the Democratic Party.

Get rid of the 1st and 2nd amendment to the constitution. No more freedom of speech, no more right to defend oneself.[/QUOTE]First I recommend that you ditch all the Chicken Little esque hyperbole and hysteria. Then "have a nervous breakdown, get therapy and come to terms with the modern world. ".

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/16/opinions/fareed-gop-special-op-ed/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2559876]For the last 4 years anything that went wrong in the country was blamed on the president. 4 years was all Trump fault. Now that there is crises everywhere Biden can't be blamed for anything. Really? None of the issues at the border, Israel, inflation, cyber ransoms riots and highest crime in USA in 10 years are not Biden fault? The weakest president ever since Carter and Obama and you don't think the rest of the world won't take advantage of it. The rest of the world is gloating at the demise of America. Weak foreign policy will come to haunt us.

You don't think Biden cancelling pipelines, stopping all drilling on federal lands and more regulations for oil companies doesn't impact gas prices? You don't think if it costs more to produce oil and gas that gas prices will stay low? In 4 months of Biden we are now starting to have to import oil from Middle East again. There were no restrictions during Covid for food manufacturers or growers but groceries are higher. The lower income and middle class are suffering the most with Biden policy. You must be so proud.[/QUOTE]Rant, bloviate, tell lies. All without substantiation. Typical trump supporter.

I realize that you can neither read nor think, but nowhere in my post did I mention food.

All you want to talk about is gas. Go take a Gas-X.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2559882]First I recommend that you ditch all the Chicken Little esque hyperbole and hysteria. Then "have a nervous breakdown, get therapy and come to terms with the modern world. ".
[/QUOTE]Thanks Paulie, you state your position so succinctly. I do not know you, but I know exactly where you are coming from. But if your cause is so fait accompli, then why do you get so out of joint when someone disagrees with it?

[QUOTE=Canada;2559661]Here it is.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/193290/unemployment-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/[/URL]

Government statistics show USA e.

Unemployment hit all time low and more people were working in USA than ever before in 2018 and 2019. But whenever I prove it you just go to a liberal fact checker and dispute it.[/QUOTE]Yes, we all know the unemployment rate's downward trajectory due entirely to Obama-Biden / Dem economic stewardship continued into the first 2-3 years of Trump's so-called presidency despite or perhaps thanks to Trump doing very little other than vacationing and playing more golf (at his failing resorts) than any other so-called potus in history.

Again, I must thank you for providing a link that proves my position correct and yours wrong. You see what happened in 2014-2015 as shown in your link? Those were the years Obama-Biden reduced the unemployment rate to below 6%, which in this era is considered "Full Employment" by the Fed and other agencies that adjust policy based on such things.

Once a labor force has reached "Full Employment" and, as it did in this case, continues to improve over the next 2-3 years, an uptick or downtick of a percent or two is relatively insignificant and is often just the result of employed people changing jobs or lifestyles.

Trump was not the so-called president when that happened in 2014-2015. Neither was Mitt Romney, who campaigned in 2012 on his favorite Republican policies and brilliance getting us to 6% unemployment post-The Great Bush Recession in 4 years. Obama-Biden did that in 2 years.

[QUOTE=Canada;2559681]To get the economy going and to get Americans back to work to get unemployment to record numbers Trump had to reverse a lot of Obama regulations Trump tried to reduce size of government and give more back to the people but was only partially successful. Now with Biden president he will reverse a lot of the successes of Trump and the American people and increase government and regulations which will cause companies to charge more and inflation to skyrocket. In 4 months we are well on the way with inflation at 4%. Groceries, gas, electric and lumber are the first signs of record inflation which hurts the lower income.

Families the most. Don't need to fact check this just go to the pump or grocery store and decide for yourself.[/QUOTE]Annualized inflation is at 3% for the moment. The Fed would prefer it to be about 2.5% during this particular Great Dem Recovery from this particular Great Repub Crash and Recessiom. Not too far off. Much better to be 1/2 of 1 percentage point higher than you prefer it than lower.

Reducing hyper inflation is one of the easiest things a Fed can do. That is the economic problem among so many possibles that you WANT to have. Producing a fix for rapidly falling and downward spirally prices (DEflation) as is likely to happen during these consistent Great Repub Crashes and Recessions, is hard to do. That's the economic problem you don't want.

[QUOTE=Canada;2559681]To get the economy going and to get Americans back to work to get unemployment to record numbers Trump had to reverse a lot of Obama regulations Trump tried to reduce size of government and give more back to the people but was only partially successful. Now with Biden president he will reverse a lot of the successes of Trump and the American people and increase government and regulations which will cause companies to charge more and inflation to skyrocket. In 4 months we are well on the way with inflation at 4%. Groceries, gas, electric and lumber are the first signs of record inflation which hurts the lower income.

Families the most. Don't need to fact check this just go to the pump or grocery store and decide for yourself.[/QUOTE]Did you know that food and fuel costs are often separated from inflation calculations and rates due to their seasonal and temporary price fluxuation and volatility?

In fact, higher food and fuel costs are typically anti-inflationary. I know that sounds counter intuitive, but here is the nuance; we don't have the choice to buy food and fuel or not. So if we are paying more for those things that leaves us less money to buy items for which we do have a choice or can easily delay.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2559803]Everything Biden and the radicals are doing is with purpose and designed to destroy the country. "The goal is to take over America and institute one party socialism over the entire country. The ends justify the means, therefor it is OK to:

Indoctrinate children in grade school with critical race theory.

Cancel the culture, rewrite history, control the media and what people can think.

Open the border, let millions in, and give them welfare checks. Nationalize voting rules. Legalize vote harvesting with no voter ID laws so insure the desired outcome.

Politicize the police and military. Place them under control of the Democratic Party.

Get rid of the 1st and 2nd amendment to the constitution. No more freedom of speech, no more right to defend oneself.

Raise taxes, Print money, Take over the economy. The real goal.

Do away with the time honored Senate Filibuster.

And Pack your Supreme Court so all this is possible.

Did I leave anything out?

Yeah, it's all Trump's fault. He is the boogey man. The enemy of the state. Just like Goldman in Orwell's "1984".[/QUOTE]Yes, you left out the parts about the child abuse and eating their flesh in the secret chamber of a pizza parlour, the microscopic tracking device in the vaccine solution, the Hollywood GGI special effects employed to make an ordinary tour of the Capitol Building by peaceful police-loving patriots look like a violent overthrow of American democracy and a few other favorite "conservative" gems.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2559969]Thanks Paulie, you state your position so succinctly. I do not know you, but I know exactly where you are coming from. But if your cause is so fait accompli, then why do you get so out of joint when someone disagrees with it?[/QUOTE]The post below that I responded to sounded like a man bent very out of joint. LOL.

We saw the ends justify the means crowd at the Capital January 6th. Virtually all conservatives are socialists as they enjoy their Medicare, Social Security, Pell Grants, students loans, etc. Etc. Red baiting is an archaic tactic, not 21st see so time to move on. We see radicalism and bigotry in people undermining our democracy alleging mass voter fraud / stolen election lies while targeting blacks and browns in the process. Your crowd is the best advertisement of all for a reckoning on race. And ethnocentric myths have in many cases made it into our cultures. Yes we will work to correct them, as well as counter dumb shit kickers who stick up for the Confederacy. That involves correcting historical errors, not rewriting history. The Supreme Court? Well conservatives have lost seven of the last eight popular votes yet hold six of the nine justices. That doesn't well represent our people, and there's nothing in the Constitution that prohibits expanding the court. It's on the table but with an uncertain future.

"Politicize the military?" LOL That's a timeless, worldwide issue, but in recent times the greater concerns have involved Trump. Nonetheless if you don't want Democrats in power then you need to do better in the elections.

[URL]https://warontherocks.com/2019/06/the-increasingly-dangerous-politicization-of-the-u-s-military/[/URL]

Let's see what does that leave us? Repeal the first and second amendments? LOL No you can't stockpile machines guns. Yes we are going to have background checks and weed out the violent and mentally ill. No you don't have a Constitutional right to post incendiary messages calling for violence on private social media platforms. The same goes for Covid denialism, anti-vaxxer nonsense, and kooky stolen election conspiracy theories. You can though start your own blog or website, though the violence part, gallows on the Capital steps and the like are always a tough sell. The filibuster? Looks like you need to do a better job of convincing the people of your talking points so you don't have to stonewall. Stonewalling is for losers. Don't be a loser. Rather than crying about these immigrants you need to win them over. It's not our fault you lost the WH, Congress, and the Senate inside of four years. And we will continue to oppose stolen election lies and voter suppression efforts as they undermine our democracy.

So Chicken Little did I leave anything out? That took all of twenty minutes. It's easy for you to type out a list of half-truths, fake spins, and complete falsehoods via simplistic talking points, even from your phone bored sitting on a barstool. A real discussion is another matter, and there's been some of that on this thread over the last six months. In fact all of your claims have been refuted multiple times in the past by me and others, which proves another point I've made. That the Trumpian crowd, like Trump himself is famous for ignoring rebuttals while repeating the same fallacies ad nauseam. Your is just another installment of that. C'est La Vie.

[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition[/URL]

And of course you are the one panicking because you keep losing, at the polls, in the courts, in the court of public opinion, everywhere. We are winning and at the helm. It's been fun.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2559803]Everything Biden and the radicals are doing is with purpose and designed to destroy the country. "The goal is to take over America and institute one party socialism over the entire country. The ends justify the means, therefor it is OK to:

Indoctrinate children in grade school with critical race theory.

Cancel the culture, rewrite history, control the media and what people can think.

Open the border, let millions in, and give them welfare checks. Nationalize voting rules. Legalize vote harvesting with no voter ID laws so insure the desired outcome.

Politicize the police and military. Place them under control of the Democratic Party.

Get rid of the 1st and 2nd amendment to the constitution. No more freedom of speech, no more right to defend oneself.

Raise taxes, Print money, Take over the economy. The real goal..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2559972]Yes, we all know the unemployment rate's downward trajectory due entirely to Obama-Biden / Dem economic stewardship continued into the first 2-3 years of Trump's so-called presidency despite or perhaps thanks to Trump doing very little other than vacationing and playing more golf (at his failing resorts) than any other so-called potus in history.

Again, I must thank you for providing a link that proves my position correct and yours wrong. You see what happened in 2014-2015 as shown in your link? Those were the years Obama-Biden reduced the unemployment rate to below 6%, which in this era is considered "Full Employment" by the Fed and other agencies that adjust policy based on such things.

Once a labor force has reached "Full Employment" and, as it did in this case, continues to improve over the next 2-3 years, an uptick or downtick of a percent or two is relatively insignificant and is often just the result of employed people changing jobs or lifestyles.

Trump was not the so-called president when that happened in 2014-2015. Neither was Mitt Romney, who campaigned in 2012 on his favorite Republican policies and brilliance getting us to 6% unemployment post-The Great Bush Recession in 4 years. Obama-Biden did that in 2 years.[/QUOTE]Yes I know that when Obama was president democrats thought 6% unemployment was full employment but Trump lowered it to 3. 5% and he didn't consider it full employment. You just hold Obama to a lower standard than Trump. Trump could do more for the American people while playing golf than Biden will ever do on the job in a year. Just a fact. I can't believe you condone Obama and Biden failures but you criticize all Trump success. I guess you much like Biden prefer to see America fail like they are doing in the first 4 months of Biden. Why are democrats anti America?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2559984]Did you know that food and fuel costs are often separated from inflation calculations and rates due to their seasonal and temporary price fluxuation and volatility?

In fact, higher food and fuel costs are typically anti-inflationary. I know that sounds counter intuitive, but here is the nuance; we don't have the choice to buy food and fuel or not. So if we are paying more for those things that leaves us less money to buy items for which we do have a choice or can easily delay.[/QUOTE]Fools keep thinking increases in gas prices, food prices, car prices and building materials aren't inflation. Tell that to the lower income families that can't afford Biden's America.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2559978]Annualized inflation is at 3% for the moment. The Fed would prefer it to be about 2.5% during this particular Great Dem Recovery from this particular Great Repub Crash and Recessiom. Not too far off. Much better to be 1/2 of 1 percentage point higher than you prefer it than lower.

Reducing hyper inflation is one of the easiest things a Fed can do. That is the economic problem among so many possibles that you WANT to have. Producing a fix for rapidly falling and downward spirally prices (DEflation) as is likely to happen during these consistent Great Repub Crashes and Recessions, is hard to do. That's the economic problem you don't want.[/QUOTE]Here is an article posted by CNBC on May 10 concerned about rising inflation. Further in their report they say the biggest increase to consumer goods is on used cars and trucks which is a leading indicator for inflation along with groceries, gas and expendables. High inflation equate to economy collapsing.

USA 2021 inflation January thru April 2. 62% to date and rising quickly. Annualized projected 10%.

The inflation rate plays an important role in determining the health of an economy. Countries with extremely high inflation rates are said to have hyperinflation and when this occurs the economy is often near collapse. But even moderate inflation can rapidly erode purchasing power and creates uncertainty as businesses have more difficulty estimating future costs. Usually, high inflation rates also correspond to high interest rates as lenders need to compensate for the decline in purchasing power of future interest and principal repayments. This results in higher costs of doing business and place an overall drag on the economy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2559986]Yes, you left out the parts about the child abuse and eating their flesh in the secret chamber of a pizza parlour, the microscopic tracking device in the vaccine solution, the Hollywood GGI special effects employed to make an ordinary tour of the Capitol Building by peaceful police-loving patriots look like a violent overthrow of American democracy and a few other favorite "conservative" gems.[/QUOTE]I don't know about most of the things you wrote but you are correct the post forgot to mention the child abuse at the border and the domestic terrorists Antifa and BLM.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2559969] But if your cause is so fait accompli[/QUOTE]Sure it's inevitable, but Fared and the rest of us know full well that you'll be taken there kicking and screaming. That's what all the lying / denial is about, is one of the fundamental stages of grief.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/16/opinions/fareed-gop-special-op-ed/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=DCups;2559880]I think you covered it, buddy. Well said.[/QUOTE]It tells us a lot because we recall what you called the VP while referencing her mixed race heritage. Yes what flows freely in what is perceived as safe company sometimes slips, especially after some drinks and / or under anonymity. But it reaffirms what we are dealing with while you keep proving our points. It also drives voter turnout which was essential in the last election.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560010]Yes I know that when Obama was president democrats thought 6% unemployment was full employment but Trump lowered it to 3. 5% and he didn't consider it full employment. You just hold Obama to a lower standard than Trump. Trump could do more for the American people while playing golf than Biden will ever do on the job in a year. Just a fact. I can't believe you condone Obama and Biden failures but you criticize all Trump success. I guess you much like Biden prefer to see America fail like they are doing in the first 4 months of Biden. Why are democrats anti America?[/QUOTE]Actually, the steady years' long downward trajectory of the unemployment rate that Trump inherited from Obama-Biden went from 4.7% when Trump took office to 3.5% on its best day pre Trump's Pandemic. Ok, that is a 1.2 percentage point decrease. If he had anything to do with it at all it came at a cost of $2.5 Trillion Trump he added to the deficit.

But, really, once Obama-Biden and the other Dems got us below 6% unemployment way back in 2014-2015, "Full Employment" in this era, a variation of a percentage point or two is insignificant in terms of overall jobs creation and a national economy. Hardly worth adding $2.5 Trillion to the deficit with that one and only godawful economic legislation he signed.

LOL. No matter how much Trump crowed about that additional 1.2 percentage point decline and so many other things, his Job Approval ratings never looked like they belonged to some economic turnaround stable genius he hoped to bamboozle us into seeing him. For a very good reason; he wasn't.

The vast majority of Americans knew he was just a pathetic failure trying desperately to take credit for positive conditions he inherited while, most pathetic of all, slamming those who preceeded him who did all the work, heavy lifting and assumed all the political risk to produce those positive results.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2559986]Yes, you left out the parts about the child abuse and eating their flesh in the secret chamber of a pizza parlour, the microscopic tracking device in the vaccine solution, the Hollywood GGI special effects employed to make an ordinary tour of the Capitol Building by peaceful police-loving patriots look like a violent overthrow of American democracy and a few other favorite "conservative" gems.[/QUOTE]Ironic that these are the people so concerned about thought control.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560016]Here is an article posted by CNBC on May 10 concerned about rising inflation. Further in their report they say the biggest increase to consumer goods is on used cars and trucks which is a leading indicator for inflation along with groceries, gas and expendables. High inflation equate to economy collapsing.

USA 2021 inflation January thru April 2. 62% to date and rising quickly. Annualized projected 10%.

The inflation rate plays an important role in determining the health of an economy. Countries with extremely high inflation rates are said to have hyperinflation and when this occurs the economy is often near collapse. But even moderate inflation can rapidly erode purchasing power and creates uncertainty as businesses have more difficulty estimating future costs. Usually, high inflation rates also correspond to high interest rates as lenders need to compensate for the decline in purchasing power of future interest and principal repayments. This results in higher costs of doing business and place an overall drag on the economy.[/QUOTE]I did not see a link to that full article in your post. I am curious to see the reasoning whoever wrote it used to conclude that "High inflation equate to economy collapsing."

That is not remotely close to the truth. That point is not even made in the rest of your post if some of that was quoting from the article.

High inflation might come about due to wage inflation, too many jobs being created for the number of applicants applying for them. That happened under Carter and the fix was quite simple as long as the POTUS at the time had the balls and political will to appoint a Fed Chairman with the intention of doing it (raise the Fed Funds rates. Then after inflation is tamed those Fed Funds rates can be lowered). Carter did that in late 1979 with his new Fed Chairman appontee Paul Volker. By early 1980, a year before Reagan took office and 4 years before Reagan began crowing about reducing inflation that Carter did all the work to fix, the rate of inflation was already beginning to decline quite steadily.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2560038]Actually, the steady years' long downward trajectory of the unemployment rate that Trump inherited from Obama-Biden went from 4.7% when Trump took office to 3.5% on its best day pre Trump's Pandemic. Ok, that is a 1.2 percentage point decrease. If he had anything to do with it at all it came at a cost of $2.5 Trillion Trump he added to the deficit.

But, really, once Obama-Biden and the other Dems got us below 6% unemployment way back in 2014-2015, "Full Employment" in this era, a variation of a percentage point or two is insignificant in terms of overall jobs creation and a national economy. Hardly worth adding $2.5 Trillion to the deficit with that one and only godawful economic legislation he signed.

LOL. No matter how much Trump crowed about that additional 1.2 percentage point decline and so many other things, his Job Approval ratings never looked like they belonged to some economic turnaround stable genius he hoped to bamboozle us into seeing him. For a very good reason; he wasn't.

The vast majority of Americans knew he was just a pathetic failure trying desperately to take credit for positive conditions he inherited while, most pathetic of all, slamming those who preceeded him who did all the work, heavy lifting and assumed all the political risk to produce those positive results.[/QUOTE]As I said in previous posts whenever Trump achieved better results than Obama the democrats and the media wouldn't accept it. Always made an excuse for all the Trump successes.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560113]As I said in previous posts whenever Trump achieved better results than Obama the democrats and the media wouldn't accept it. Always made an excuse for all the Trump successes.[/QUOTE]No, mainstream media was always encouraging Trump to stop the lunatic, misspelled and damn near incoherent tweets about this or that easily debunked conspiracy theory and "talk up the great economy." LOL. Trying in vain to help him win re-election or to at least inch his Job Approval rating above 39-47% every now and then.

Which hilariously and falsely implied to anyone watching, listening to or reading mainstream media that Trump had anything whatsoever to do with the positive condition of the economy pre Trump's Pandemic.

But then, mainstream media was and still is always rooting for Repubs to win elections, Trump included. See, mainstream media thrives on bad news, not good news. By necessity, that requires it to play up and help Repubs win elections and downplay and throw out hurdles to prevent Dems from winning them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2560130]No, mainstream media was always encouraging Trump to stop the lunatic, misspelled and damn near incoherent tweets about this or that easily debunked conspiracy theory and "talk up the great economy." LOL. Trying in vain to help him win re-election or to at least inch his Job Approval rating above 39-47% every now and then.

Which hilariously and falsely implied to anyone watching, listening to or reading mainstream media that Trump had anything whatsoever to do with the positive condition of the economy pre Trump's Pandemic.

But then, mainstream media was and still is always rooting for Repubs to win elections, Trump included. See, mainstream media thrives on bad news, not good news. By necessity, that requires it to play up and help Repubs win elections and downplay and throw out hurdles to prevent Dems from winning them.[/QUOTE]Which country do you live in? Obviously not USA.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2560130]mainstream media was and still is always rooting for Repubs to win elections, Trump included.[/QUOTE]You must be joking, even though I know you are not. 555. Seriously though, no offence intended, this is the most absurd statement I have heard since, "Protesters in California set fire to a courthouse, damaged a police station and assaulted officers after a peaceful demonstration intensified. " -ABC News (Disney).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2560130]See, mainstream media thrives on bad news, not good news. By necessity, that requires it to play up and help Repubs win elections and downplay and throw out hurdles to prevent Dems from winning them.[/QUOTE]Once again your logic escapes me. Didn't corporate media spend every waking hour of the entire Trump Presidency reporting on the so called collusion between Trump and Putin that in fact never occurred or at the very least could not be proven as evidenced by the final conclusions of the Mueller Report. [URL]https://youtu.be/7iaMJXree3I[/URL].

And your assertion that the corporate media thrives on bad new is negated by their lack of coverage on Biden's first 100 days in office which is strewn with one disaster piling up on another. Is it really you contention that the news coverage would be the same if Trump were still president and these same disasters were piling up?

[QUOTE=Canada;2558890]You can't check the state because the state deleted the chart and the evidence so nobody will ever know the truth. Seems like everytime some real evidence gets presented it it quickly eliminated by the democrats. As soon as USA Today ran the story the evidence disappeared. And you wonder why Republicans want a honest election.[/QUOTE]Per your article your statement is not true. But whether there was a problem reading a chart or not the core issue is that the statement was mixing Primary and General Election data. In short, the claim that the numbers don't add up is false.

And frankly if in fact there was a chart that conservatives seemed unable to read correctly, would removing that chart be a bad thing? What does it say about a person who thinks removing confusing charts is proof the mis-reading is true? Again, I see no evidence that anything was taken down, but do you really think that everyone else in the state government and the press were too stupid to notice something that basic didn't add up? Most likely every ballot has a unique ID which makes such things completely impossible and only those who don't really understand the process can be persuaded.

[QUOTE=Sojourner;2560211]Per your article your statement is not true. But whether there was a problem reading a chart or not the core issue is that the statement was mixing Primary and General Election data. In short, the claim that the numbers don't add up is false.

And frankly if in fact there was a chart that conservatives seemed unable to read correctly, would removing that chart be a bad thing? What does it say about a person who thinks removing confusing charts is proof the mis-reading is true? Again, I see no evidence that anything was taken down, but do you really think that everyone else in the state government and the press were too stupid to notice something that basic didn't add up? Most likely every ballot has a unique ID which makes such things completely impossible and only those who don't really understand the process can be persuaded.[/QUOTE]No I think it is possible to counterfeit anything these days including currency. I don't think everyone hired to count ballots by the democrats was capable of distinguishing if a ballot was real or fake. In many cases they didn't even verify signatures so I along with millions believe that if you really want to cheat in any election it is possible.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2560163]You must be joking, even though I know you are not. 555. Seriously though, no offence intended, this is the most absurd statement I have heard since, "Protesters in California set fire to a courthouse, damaged a police station and assaulted officers after a peaceful demonstration intensified. " -ABC News (Disney).

Once again your logic escapes me. Didn't corporate media spend every waking hour of the entire Trump Presidency reporting on the so called collusion between Trump and Putin that in fact never occurred or at the very least could not be proven as evidenced by the final conclusions of the Mueller Report. [URL]https://youtu.be/7iaMJXree3I[/URL].

And your assertion that the corporate media thrives on bad new is negated by their lack of coverage on Biden's first 100 days in office which is strewn with one disaster piling up on another. Is it really you contention that the news coverage would be the same if Trump were still president and these same disasters were piling up?[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right. The media did everything possible to get Biden elected. Lie and more lies to get Biden elected Now that USA is in turmoil and Biden's is screwing daily the media is deathly silent. The media still has not fessed up to even one of Biden's main screwups and if Trump had done what Biden did in first hundred days it be anti Trump 24 hours a day.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2560163]You must be joking, even though I know you are not. 555. Seriously though, no offence intended, this is the most absurd statement I have heard since, "Protesters in California set fire to a courthouse, damaged a police station and assaulted officers after a peaceful demonstration intensified. " -ABC News (Disney).

Once again your logic escapes me. Didn't corporate media spend every waking hour of the entire Trump Presidency reporting on the so called collusion between Trump and Putin that in fact never occurred or at the very least could not be proven as evidenced by the final conclusions of the Mueller Report. [URL]https://youtu.be/7iaMJXree3I[/URL].

And your assertion that the corporate media thrives on bad new is negated by their lack of coverage on Biden's first 100 days in office which is strewn with one disaster piling up on another. Is it really you contention that the news coverage would be the same if Trump were still president and these same disasters were piling up?[/QUOTE]Since when does accurate reporting of bad news vs good news help either side win elections? If that were true we never would have had a second Reagan term, a second George W. Bush term or as close to a second Trump term as we got. We would have had a second Carter term though.

The American electorate votes primarily on economic issues and they love to vote for "winners" or perceived "winners."

On those factors, mainstream media's assistance in helping Repubs win over Dems is unfailing.

According to mainstream media all through every election in my lifetime and right up to this very minute, "Republicans handle the economy better than Democrats and the stock market likes Republicans more."

Yet that has never been true for at least 100 years. In fact, it could not have been more false over the past 100 years or so.

And if the Repub failure is particularly spectacular, count on mainstream media to twist itself into a pretzel to assert some non existent "Both Sides Do It" arguement in order to slant the playing field back to the Repubs before the next election. No, Both Sides don't produce every Great Recession and major Bear Market Crash of the past 100 years and none of the boom times. Only Repubs have done that.

"Winners vs Losers"? According to mainstream media, a Repub win is always a "Republican Victory!" But a Dem win is also a "Republican Victory!" LOL.

One needs to go no further than this past election where the Dems won control of the Senate, maintained (won) control of the House and won the White House against an incumbent, a victory so elusive it is the first time it happened since Herbert Hoover.

Yet mainstream media has been falling all over itself to characterize that election as a humiliating loss for the Dems that requires some real soul searching or a post-death autopsy for them to figure out what they got wrong so it never happens again.

Mainstream media always helps Repubs win elections the way they are won in the real world whenever possible. Not Dems.

BTW, Natty, I replied to your PM but I think your mailbox must be full. I did not see my reply land there.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2560320]Since when does accurate reporting of bad news vs good news help either side win elections? If that were true we never would have had a second Reagan term, a second George W. Bush term or as close to a second Trump term as we got. We would have had a second Carter term though.

The American electorate votes primarily on economic issues and they love to vote for "winners" or perceived "winners."

On those factors, mainstream media's assistance in helping Repubs win over Dems is unfailing.

According to mainstream media all through every election in my lifetime and right up to this very minute, "Republicans handle the economy better than Democrats and the stock market likes Republicans more."

Yet that has never been true for at least 100 years. In fact, it could not have been more false over the past 100 years or so.

And if the Repub failure is particularly spectacular, count on mainstream media to twist itself into a pretzel to assert some non existent "Both Sides Do It" arguement in order to slant the playing field back to the Repubs before the next election. No, Both Sides don't produce every Great Recession and major Bear Market Crash of the past 100 years and none of the boom times. Only Repubs have done that.

"Winners vs Losers"? According to mainstream media, a Repub win is always a "Republican Victory!" But a Dem win is also a "Republican Victory!" LOL.

One needs to go no further than this past election where the Dems won control of the Senate, maintained (won) control of the House and won the White House against an incumbent, a victory so elusive it is the first time it happened since Herbert Hoover.

Yet mainstream media has been falling all over itself to characterize that election as a humiliating loss for the Dems that requires some real soul searching or a post-death autopsy for them to figure out what they got wrong so it never happens again.

Mainstream media always helps Repubs win elections the way they are won in the real world whenever possible. Not Dems.
The media has changed drastically since the Reagan years.

BTW, Natty, I replied to your PM but I think your mailbox must be full. I did not see my reply land there.[/QUOTE]I don't know who makes this up and I don't know anyone but you that could believe such crap as you posted but possibly you could have gotten it from CNN. They make this kind of crap up all the time.

Carter didn't win a 2Nd term because he was the worse president ever for inflation and the economy. Not for long though. Biden has done more Carter crap in 4 months than Carter did in 4 years. Biden definitely takes the title away from Carter. At least Biden gets rid of worst VP ever. Harris will win that in a landslide.

Reagan would have won a third term with his economy. Newscaster were fairly honest back in the Reagan years but now the media is just a platform of propaganda for the Democratic Party. No real news anymore from CNN, MSNBB, ABC, CBS or NBC nationally. Locally a little better.

Today on the news they had the statistics for murders and crime in democratic cities New York, Chicago, Portland, Minneapolis and Atlanta. Crime up 77% to 300% murders up 38% to 177% in these cities. All these citified defunded their police like all good democrats do and are now suffering the consequences. But will they admit it is from defunding the police? After 6 dead and 24 shot in Atlanta the mayor had this to say.

Atlantans deserve and expect a safe community. *As our Administration continues to put considerable resources*towards ending this COVID crime wave, the Anti-Violence Advisory Committee will begin work this week to make additional recommendations to help improve public safety throughout our city," Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms said.

All the crime in USA is up because of Covid not defunding the police. How dumb can they be.

It is a proud day for democrats today.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560342]Today on the news they had the statistics for murders and crime in democratic cities New York, Chicago, Portland, Minneapolis and Atlanta. Crime up 77% to 300% murders up 38% to 177% in these cities. All these citified defunded their police like all good democrats do and are now suffering the consequences. But will they admit it is from defunding the police? After 6 dead and 24 shot in Atlanta the mayor had this to say.

Atlantans deserve and expect a safe community. *As our Administration continues to put considerable resources*towards ending this COVID crime wave, the Anti-Violence Advisory Committee will begin work this week to make additional recommendations to help improve public safety throughout our city," Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms said.

All the crime in USA is up because of Covid not defunding the police. How dumb can they be.

It is a proud day for democrats today.[/QUOTE]Real question is why do you spend all this effort posting drivel? Also, what is the source of your fear? Have you ever stopped to think about what motivates your fear of Biden, Harris or AOC?

Do you every look at your previous posts and regret your predictions. How 'bout pointing out for us just one of your predictions from six months ago that you believe was accurate.

FYI, Jimmy Carter is a great human being. He inherited a country in "stagflation". The double digit inflation was the result of OPEC successfully doubling oil prices in 1977-78. Did you ever wonder why the 52 American diplomatic hostages were only released minutes after Reagan was inaugurated? It's because Reagan made a secret deal with the mullahs not to release the hostages in exchange for American weapons. Carter had established a total arms embargo against Iran in 1979. Immediately after Reagan became President, he secretly and illegally rescinded that order and sold weapons to Khomeni. Remember "Arms for Hostages", which was revealed in 1986? Iran-Contra?

Jimmy Carter is everything that Trump is not. Carter was a US naval officer, a truly successful businessman, a long serving state senator, careful Govenor, and an honest, thoughtful, patriotic President. His entire post Presidency has been dedicated to selfless humanitarianism. He never grifted and never cheated. He is a patriot.

Canada, I believe you are an unfortunate victim of the right wing propaganda conspiracy machine. Turn off your teevee. Read actual history before you comment on it. Read about OPEC, read about the causes of inflation in the late 70's, read about Paul Volker, read about why, when and how Reagan sold arms to Khomeni. Turn off Fox for a month and read a book.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560338]I don't know who makes this up and I don't know anyone but you that could believe such crap as you posted but possibly you could have gotten it from CNN. They make this kind of crap up all the time.

Carter didn't win a 2Nd term because he was the worse president ever for inflation and the economy. Not for long though. Biden has done more Carter crap in 4 months than Carter did in 4 years. Biden definitely takes the title away from Carter. At least Biden gets rid of worst VP ever. Harris will win that in a landslide.

Reagan would have won a third term with his economy. Newscaster were fairly honest back in the Reagan years but now the media is just a platform of propaganda for the Democratic Party. No real news anymore from CNN, MSNBB, ABC, CBS or NBC nationally. Locally a little better.[/QUOTE]You clearly were the perfect dupe target for the mainstream media punditry that helped Reagan win that election. And re-election. Carter's record on average annual jobs creation is among the best of all time. Maybe second or third only to Clinton and JFK/LBJ. His record on it dwarfed that of Reagan. And, unlike Reagan, he didn't have to triple the National Debt to do it. His "recession" was one of the shortest and smallest of all time. And it was purposely induced by Fed Chairman Paul Volker by raising Fed Funds rates in order to (drum roll) cool down an overheated economy that was producing many more jobs than there were applicants to take them, triggering wage inflation. No matter, since hyper-inflation was already coming down steadily within 2-3 months of Volker initiating his fix on it.

By contrast, Reagan inherited from Carter a steadily declining unemployment rate in the low 7% range that continued to decline through Reagan's first year in office after a single month high during that purposely induced "recession" (that barely lasted more than 1 quarter in early 1980) of 7.8%, a steadily declining unemployment rate, one of the best jobs creation presidential terms in history (Carter), NO wars, a moderately manageable National Debt and Deficit, two back-to-back quarters while Carter was still president of 7.8% and 8.5% GDP Growth and proceeded to get his idiotic and always failed Supply-Side/Trickle-Down "Reaganomics" policies in place. Whereupon the country soon plunged into what was then the worst economic decline since The Great Republican Depression of the late 1920's/early 1930's. Reagan's Great Recession began at the beginning of 1982, his SECOND year in office and included ten consecutive months of 10%+ Unemployment Rate that extended well into his THIRD year in office.

Was hyper-inflation tamed under Reagan? Yep. But not due to anything he did. Well, unless you count one of the worst Great Republican Recessions in history as something Reagan's economic policies produced in order to bring down inflation that was already declining a year before he took office. It turns out when jobs are being eliminated by the millions, businesses are closing and wages are falling, the prices of housing, rent and automobiles might tend to decline a bit as well.

I know, I know. Despite the data that was easily available and reported on, mainstream media pundits kept telling you, "Carter ruined the economy and Reagan fixed it! Let's have MORE Republicans win elections so they can repeat Reagan's economic policies and results over and over and over again!" So it must be true, right? Except that isn't what Carter did or Reagan did by a long shot.

Did subsequent mainstream media-assisted Republican presidents repeat Reagan's policies and crap results? They sure did. Enter the more than a year long Recession under George H.W. Bush, both Recessions under George W. Bush including one really, really big one and Trump's Great Pandemic Recession that his Supply-Side/Trickle-Down Republican economic legislation did absolutely nothing to mitigate. Republican presidents can't seem to pass up any opportunity to Crash the U.S. economy and wipe out millions of U.S. jobs by any means necessary. They are always there to embrace whatever it takes to do that to the country.

Clinton didn't repeat those Reaganomics policies though. He and his Dems reversed them in 1993. Without a single vote from a Republican in Congress. No Recession. No Bear Market Crash. No massive jobs destruction. Just one of the longest economic expansions, jobs creation records and Bull Markets in history. Oh, and Obama didn't repeat them either. No Recession. No Bear Market Crash. No massive jobs destruction. Just another one of the longest economic expansions, jobs creation records and Bull Markets in history. Again, without a single vote for his American Recovery and Re-investment Act from a Republican in Congress. At least they're consistent.

The best endorsement for Biden's American Rescue Plan's success is that no Republicans in Congress voted for it.

Time Out

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2560320]BTW, Natty, I replied to your PM but I think your mailbox must be full. I did not see my reply land there.[/QUOTE]ET, yeah, my mailbox was full and I did not receive your message, only a notice that something had been sent. I have since deleted some old messages. So, please resend. -Time Out.

Now you guys can go back and proclaim Jimmy Carter a great president if you want. I am done debating with you guys for another 6 months or so. Let's see how bad the US economy gets. Things could get very bad indeed. President Biden is not Joe Biden. Joe Biden is brain dead. A bureau of unnamed radicals are running the country. Everyone knows this whether they are politically willing to admit it or not.

It should be noted that I am a social libertarian and philosophically, economically I subscribe to Milton Friedman's theory of Modern Monetarism. I therefore strongly believe in limited government and the benefits of free enterprise. I received my MBA and worked on my graduate degree at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. I am very worried about my country. If Milton were around today I am sure he would try to enlighten you although I am pretty sure it would be in vain. 555.

Thought I'd pop my head back in here, and literally laughing out loud within seconds seeing the leftwing whackjobs defending Carter and claiming the media is pro-Republican.

Canada, I salute your indefatigability in continuing to speak truth to these low-information lunatics: you truly have the patience of a saint and are a scholar and a gentleman.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560264]You are absolutely right. The media did everything possible to get Biden elected. Lie and more lies to get Biden elected Now that USA is in turmoil and Biden's is screwing daily the media is deathly silent. The media still has not fessed up to even one of Biden's main screwups and if Trump had done what Biden did in first hundred days it be anti Trump 24 hours a day.[/QUOTE]Blah blah blah Biden Blah blah blah sucks Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah All Blah blah blah Democrats Blah blah blah are Blah blah blah socialists Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah Everything Blah blah blah Democrats Blah blah blah do Blah blah blah is Blah blah blah bad Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah the Blah blah blah election Blah blah blah was Blah blah blah stolen Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah trump is God Blah blah blah trump was the best president ever, better than Washington and better than Lincoln Blah blah blah trump has never lied Blah blah blah.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2560416]You clearly were the perfect dupe target for the mainstream media punditry that helped Reagan win that election. And re-election. Carter's record on average annual jobs creation is among the best of all time. Maybe second or third only to Clinton and JFK/LBJ. His record on it dwarfed that of Reagan. And, unlike Reagan, he didn't have to triple the National Debt to do it. His "recession" was one of the shortest and smallest of all time. And it was purposely induced by Fed Chairman Paul Volker by raising Fed Funds rates in order to (drum roll) cool down an overheated economy that was producing many more jobs than there were applicants to take them, triggering wage inflation. No matter, since hyper-inflation was already coming down steadily within 2-3 months of Volker initiating his fix on it.

By contrast, Reagan inherited from Carter a steadily declining unemployment rate in the low 7% range that continued to decline through Reagan's first year in office after a single month high during that purposely induced "recession" (that barely lasted more than 1 quarter in early 1980) of 7.8%, a steadily declining unemployment rate, one of the best jobs creation presidential terms in history (Carter), NO wars, a moderately manageable National Debt and Deficit, two back-to-back quarters while Carter was still president of 7.8% and 8.5% GDP Growth and proceeded to get his idiotic and always failed Supply-Side/Trickle-Down "Reaganomics" policies in place. Whereupon the country soon plunged into what was then the worst economic decline since The Great Republican Depression of the late 1920's/early 1930's. Reagan's Great Recession began at the beginning of 1982, his SECOND year in office and included ten consecutive months of 10%+ Unemployment Rate that extended well into his THIRD year in office.

Was hyper-inflation tamed under Reagan? Yep. But not due to anything he did. Well, unless you count one of the worst Great Republican Recessions in history as something Reagan's economic policies produced in order to bring down inflation that was already declining a year before he took office. It turns out when jobs are being eliminated by the millions, businesses are closing and wages are falling, the prices of housing, rent and automobiles might tend to decline a bit as well.

I know, I know. Despite the data that was easily available and reported on, mainstream media pundits kept telling you, "Carter ruined the economy and Reagan fixed it! Let's have MORE Republicans win elections so they can repeat Reagan's economic policies and results over and over and over again!" So it must be true, right? Except that isn't what Carter did or Reagan did by a long shot.

Did subsequent mainstream media-assisted Republican presidents repeat Reagan's policies and crap results? They sure did. Enter the more than a year long Recession under George H.W. Bush, both Recessions under George W. Bush including one really, really big one and Trump's Great Pandemic Recession that his Supply-Side/Trickle-Down Republican economic legislation did absolutely nothing to mitigate. Republican presidents can't seem to pass up any opportunity to Crash the U.S. economy and wipe out millions of U.S. jobs by any means necessary. They are always there to embrace whatever it takes to do that to the country.

Clinton didn't repeat those Reaganomics policies though. He and his Dems reversed them in 1993. Without a single vote from a Republican in Congress. No Recession. No Bear Market Crash. No massive jobs destruction. Just one of the longest economic expansions, jobs creation records and Bull Markets in history. Oh, and Obama didn't repeat them either. No Recession. No Bear Market Crash. No massive jobs destruction. Just another one of the longest economic expansions, jobs creation records and Bull Markets in history. Again, without a single vote for his American Recovery and Re-investment Act from a Republican in Congress. At least they're consistent.

The best endorsement for Biden's American Rescue Plan's success is that no Republicans in Congress voted for it.[/QUOTE]Why do you waste your time writing this nonsense. Even SNL knows Carter was worst president ever. Don't worry Biden has this title locked up already.

That just shows a democrat can change history. Carter is known as the worst president in history by both democrats and republicans and Reagan the best president ever and you change history.

Biden rescue plan destroys America. It is called a rescue plan because the next president is going to have to rescue USA from the destruction it created.

Biden plan to truck and rail oil instead of pipeline really worked well when one pipeline was hacked. Why is gas $7 a gallon on the east USA if you can just truck and rail oil to refineries. I guess you don't think this hurts the lower income families because this isn't inflation.

Biden is completely lost. He probably is the only one that would think your post had some merit.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2560359]Real question is why do you spend all this effort posting drivel? Also, what is the source of your fear? Have you ever stopped to think about what motivates your fear of Biden, Harris or AOC?

Do you every look at your previous posts and regret your predictions. How 'bout pointing out for us just one of your predictions from six months ago that you believe was accurate.

FYI, Jimmy Carter is a great human being. He inherited a country in "stagflation". The double digit inflation was the result of OPEC successfully doubling oil prices in 1977-78. Did you ever wonder why the 52 American diplomatic hostages were only released minutes after Reagan was inaugurated? It's because Reagan made a secret deal with the mullahs not to release the hostages in exchange for American weapons. Carter had established a total arms embargo against Iran in 1979. Immediately after Reagan became President, he secretly and illegally rescinded that order and sold weapons to Khomeni. Remember "Arms for Hostages", which was revealed in 1986? Iran-Contra?

Jimmy Carter is everything that Trump is not. Carter was a US naval officer, a truly successful businessman, a long serving state senator, careful Govenor, and an honest, thoughtful, patriotic President. His entire post Presidency has been dedicated to selfless humanitarianism. He never grifted and never cheated. He is a patriot.

Canada, I believe you are an unfortunate victim of the right wing propaganda conspiracy machine. Turn off your teevee. Read actual history before you comment on it. Read about OPEC, read about the causes of inflation in the late 70's, read about Paul Volker, read about why, when and how Reagan sold arms to Khomeni. Turn off Fox for a month and read a book.[/QUOTE]You don't need to be democrat or republican to know the failure of Carter. High inflation and gas lines are not good for America. You and Biden are the only fools that believe this. Carter was a failure and Biden is following in his footsteps.

I feel sorry for you. You have no chance of success in life believing that crap.

Yesterday Biden had a solution the for the Hamas Israel conflict. He is recommending a peaceful ceasefire. Biden is responsible for this conflict already with releasing money to Iran to sponsor these terrorists. Bide desperately wants agreement with Iran. Who else in the USA could have made such a profound statement. By the way Israel bombed Hamas again last night.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560462]Yesterday Biden had a solution for the Israeli ethnic cleansing. He is recommending a 'peaceful ceasefire'. Biden is responsible for this conflict already with releasing money and weaponry to the zionist state to sponsor these terrorists. Biden desperately wants agreement with the domestic zionist lobby. Who else in the USA could have made such a profound statement. By the way Israel drove more civilians from their homes in another ghetto liquidation again last night.[/QUOTE]There you go.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560456]You don't need to be democrat or republican to know the failure of Carter. High inflation and gas lines are not good for America. You and Biden are the only fools that believe this. Carter was a failure and Biden is following in his footsteps.

I feel sorry for you. You have no chance of success in life believing that crap.[/QUOTE]Turn off your teevee and read a book -- any book. Your next post should be a book report.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2560359]Real question is why do you spend all this effort posting drivel? Also, what is the source of your fear? Have you ever stopped to think about what motivates your fear of Biden, Harris or AOC?

Do you every look at your previous posts and regret your predictions. How 'bout pointing out for us just one of your predictions from six months ago that you believe was accurate.

FYI, Jimmy Carter is a great human being. He inherited a country in "stagflation". The double digit inflation was the result of OPEC successfully doubling oil prices in 1977-78. Did you ever wonder why the 52 American diplomatic hostages were only released minutes after Reagan was inaugurated? It's because Reagan made a secret deal with the mullahs not to release the hostages in exchange for American weapons. Carter had established a total arms embargo against Iran in 1979. Immediately after Reagan became President, he secretly and illegally rescinded that order and sold weapons to Khomeni. Remember "Arms for Hostages", which was revealed in 1986? Iran-Contra?

Jimmy Carter is everything that Trump is not. Carter was a US naval officer, a truly successful businessman, a long serving state senator, careful Govenor, and an honest, thoughtful, patriotic President. His entire post Presidency has been dedicated to selfless humanitarianism. He never grifted and never cheated. He is a patriot.

Canada, I believe you are an unfortunate victim of the right wing propaganda conspiracy machine. Turn off your teevee. Read actual history before you comment on it. Read about OPEC, read about the causes of inflation in the late 70's, read about Paul Volker, read about why, when and how Reagan sold arms to Khomeni. Turn off Fox for a month and read a book.[/QUOTE]Totally true John, excellent post. William Casey was conducting foreign policy illegally and made the deals with Iran before Reagan was sworn in We can go on about Reagan and Iran Contra which is a continuation of this deat but no need to now.

Jimmy is a great humanitarian and idealist. He was also very progressive. Too bad he never gets the credit that he deserves. Without a doubt the most honorable president in my 69 years. He just had too many Washington insiders from both parties working against him especially Teddy K.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2560492]Totally true John, excellent post. William Casey was conducting foreign policy illegally and made the deals with Iran before Reagan was sworn in We can go on about Reagan and Iran Contra which is a continuation of this deat but no need to now.

Jimmy is a great humanitarian and idealist. He was also very progressive. Too bad he never gets the credit that he deserves. Without a doubt the most honorable president in my 69 years. He just had too many Washington insiders from both parties working against him especially Teddy K.[/QUOTE]Jimmy was a great humanitarian but a horrible president. That is a fact.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2560475]Turn off your teevee and read a book -- any book. Your next post should be a book report.[/QUOTE]You guys are in La La land You can read your books that are as real as the Easter Bunmy.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560500]You guys are in La La land You can read your books that are as real as the Easter Bunmy.[/QUOTE]Name a book you have read in the last year.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2560447]Blah blah blah Biden Blah blah blah sucks Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah All Blah blah blah Democrats Blah blah blah are Blah blah blah socialists Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah Everything Blah blah blah Democrats Blah blah blah do Blah blah blah is Blah blah blah bad Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah the Blah blah blah election Blah blah blah was Blah blah blah stolen Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah trump is God Blah blah blah trump was the best president ever, better than Washington and better than Lincoln Blah blah blah trump has never lied Blah blah blah.[/QUOTE]Just more propaganda from "the corporate media," aka Fox Corporation / Rupert Murdock. Show me the conservative that is against Medicare, Social Security, and public education then we may be on the way to finding one that isn't a socialist. Until then the developed world will continue to operate as mixed economies. The question isn't whether to have socialism or not, it's how much and what sort. But that requires a discussion of a depth the typical monger sitting on a barstool phone in hand lacks the ability to do. Instead the same talking points are recited over and over. Do you have better things to do with your time than go in circles with such folks? I know I do. Hit them where it hurts. Beat them at polls.

[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2560512]Name a book you have read in the last year.[/QUOTE]Reading no books is better than reading fiction and fantasy books about things that are not real. I will bet that if you a read a book that said Carter was a good president for the country you got it from the writer himself because it would be the only copy out there. It is unbelievable that there are people like you in the USA.

Suggested Reading or books I found very interesting during the pandemic:

"The Death Instinct" by Jacques Meserine.

"The Rum Diary" by Hunter S. Thompson.

"ZEROZEROZERO" by Roberto Saviano.

"A conflict of Visions" by Thomas Sowell.

"The Case for Trump" by Victor Davis Hanson.

The 1st two are just great reads. The 3rd one is a detailed nonfiction book on the history and evolution of the international narcotics industry. The last two are obviously political, but they are still very important books by serious, conservative thinkers.

But conservatives say "That's just CNN propaganda. Fox News didn't report anything and trump didn't say anything, so it didn't really happen."

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-auditors-backtrack-no-election-231038931.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2560456]..
High inflation and gas lines are not good for America.
...[/QUOTE]Um...Yes, that's why Carter appointed the Fed Chairman he appointed to do what was necessary but politically risky to reduce hyper-inflation. And he knowingly did it heading into an election year (1980). The Republican presidents before him did not have the balls to do it. And most certainly the Republican president after him would not have. But Carter did.

Oh, and the Arab Oil Embargo along with the first and biggest gas lines that followed occurred in 1973. Carter was not president then. Wouldn't be for another 3-4 years. Someone from a different political party was. That's the easily searchable truth matter what the persistently pro-Republican election campaigning pundits in the mainstream media told you at the time and ever since.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2560723]Um...Yes, that's why Carter appointed the Fed Chairman he appointed to do what was necessary but politically risky to reduce hyper-inflation. And he knowingly did it heading into an election year (1980). The Republican presidents before him did not have the balls to do it. And most certainly the Republican president after him would not have. But Carter did.

Oh, and the Arab Oil Embargo along with the first and biggest gas lines that followed occurred in 1973. Carter was not president then. Wouldn't be for another 3-4 years. Someone from a different political party was. That's the easily searchable truth matter what the persistently pro-Republican election campaigning pundits in the mainstream media told you at the time and ever since.[/QUOTE]There is nothing you can write than can change history. The whole USA population knows what Carter did. Writing something on this forum does not change history. Just because you don't like the history you can't cancel it.

Biden supports Iran.

Iran supports Hamas.

Biden supports BLM.

BLM supports Hamas.

It took Trump 4 years to get peace agreements in Middle East.

It took Biden 4 months to get a war going in middle East. Biden support of Iran and his weak foreign policy has already shaken up the Middle East.

Are the democrats ok with this? Is this the path for the future of USA supporting Terrorists.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560750]Biden supports Isreal

Isreal uses the USA.

Biden supports BLM.

BLM is a proxy warrior.

Trump for 4 years did everything Isreal wanted in Middle East.

It took Biden 4 months and Isreal continues to liquidate the Gaza ghetto. Biden support of Isreal and his weak foreign policy has already advanced the zionist agenda.

The democrats ok with this. This is the path for the future of USA supporting zionist terrorists. [/QUOTE]There you go.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2560767]There you go.[/QUOTE]I know you misquoted Canada in jest and to make your point, but it is not cool. If you disagree with someone, fine, criticize whomever all you want, but leave their words alone.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560216]No I think it is possible to counterfeit anything these days including currency. I don't think everyone hired to count ballots by the democrats was capable of distinguishing if a ballot was real or fake. In many cases they didn't even verify signatures so I along with millions believe that if you really want to cheat in any election it is possible.[/QUOTE]First, you are trying to change the subject. You started with a thoroughly dishonest post which took lines from a USA today fact-check to leave people with the exact opposite of what they concluded. You were called on it. Did you man up?

In addition we found that in fact the problem was almost certainly the inability of some conservatives to read a chart. So I pointed out that the actual facts are that there is no issue here the number of ballots sent out far exceeded the number returned for the General Election. Again you side-step to something now saying well 'I think... ' and basically suggest that so long as you can harbor a suspicion without evidence against people you disagree with, it is okay to deprive others of their right to vote. This is a ridiculous standard and one which carries an implicit notion that the suspicions of conservatives are somehow valid without evidence while centuries of legitimate black concerns based on mountains of evidence continue to be denied by those same people. A just society requires openness and evidence-based responses. You offer self-indulgent tyranny.

Yes anything can be faked. But the question is, if we know that money can be counterfeited, why don't we demand that people show ID in order to use cash? Shouldn't we be recording and tracking everyone who spends a dollar at the grocery store? I look forward to your understanding of why not.

The Constitutional right to vote is a right of citizens. It is not a function of whether or not he or she has registered with the state department of transportation. How can a real American suggest that such a breach requires no proof of legitimate concern? The Brennan Center for Justice at NYU studies voting and declares that the number of illegitimate mail-in votes is in the area of "000001 percent of all votes cast." While estimates are that those prevented from voting will be closer to .5 or 1%. The plans are literally keeping thousands of people from legitimately voting to prevent one illegitimate vote. That is not rational unless your actual motive is anti-democratic and unconstitutional.

[QUOTE=Sojourner;2560839]First, you are trying to change the subject. You started with a thoroughly dishonest post which took lines from a USA today fact-check to leave people with the exact opposite of what they concluded. You were called on it. Did you man up?

In addition we found that in fact the problem was almost certainly the inability of some conservatives to read a chart. So I pointed out that the actual facts are that there is no issue here the number of ballots sent out far exceeded the number returned for the General Election. Again you side-step to something now saying well 'I think... ' and basically suggest that so long as you can harbor a suspicion without evidence against people you disagree with, it is okay to deprive others of their right to vote. This is a ridiculous standard and one which carries an implicit notion that the suspicions of conservatives are somehow valid without evidence while centuries of legitimate black concerns based on mountains of evidence continue to be denied by those same people. A just society requires openness and evidence-based responses. You offer self-indulgent tyranny.

Yes anything can be faked. But the question is, if we know that money can be counterfeited, why don't we demand that people show ID in order to use cash? Shouldn't we be recording and tracking everyone who spends a dollar at the grocery store? I look forward to your understanding of why not.

The Constitutional right to vote is a right of citizens. It is not a function of whether or not he or she has registered with the state department of transportation. How can a real American suggest that such a breach requires no proof of legitimate concern? The Brennan Center for Justice at NYU studies voting and declares that the number of illegitimate mail-in votes is in the area of "000001 percent of all votes cast." While estimates are that those prevented from voting will be closer to .5 or 1%. The plans are literally keeping thousands of people from legitimately voting to prevent one illegitimate vote. That is not rational unless your actual motive is anti-democratic and unconstitutional.[/QUOTE]The problem wasn't that the Republicans couldn't read the chart. The problem was that the republicans could read the chart and it showed that there was possible fraud so the chart was removed immediately. Why do you think the chart was removed. Yes you are right. It showed possible fraud.

Biden removed sanctions and approved pipeline from Russia to Germany today. Shows that Biden cares more about Russia energy than USA energy. No backlash at all from the media or environmental wackos. Amazing!

[QUOTE=Canada;2560870]Biden removed sanctions and approved pipeline from Russia to Germany today. Shows that Biden cares more about Russia energy than USA energy. No backlash at all from the media or environmental wackos. Amazing![/QUOTE]You have a lot of nerve talking about somebody going easy on Russia. This is but one (but egregious) example:

[URL]https://youtu.be/wBwgxHnlhqo[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2560749]There is nothing you can write than can change history. The whole USA population knows what Carter did. Writing something on this forum does not change history. Just because you don't like the history you can't cancel it.[/QUOTE]I agree with this except for the "whole population" knowing something part of it.

Oh, and Carter was not president in 1973. He really had nothing to do with the Arab Oil Embargo and the gas lines that embargo triggered no matter how much pro-Republican election victory mainstream media pundits have tried to fool you into believing such a thing.

Gas lines did return briefly in 1979 due to issues with the brutal Shah regime that (R)President Eisenhower overthrew democratic elections in Iran to install, giving rise to a 25 year Islamic Revolution and the takeover in power of the Ayatollahs we are still dealing with today, came crashing to a close. But not as much as previously.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560869]... The problem was that the republicans could read the chart and it showed that there was possible fraud so the chart was removed immediately....[/QUOTE]Really? Do you have evidence or do you believe your delusions? The USA Today article you cited says the data was still on the site.

I asked several questions in my last letter, and you side-stepped them all. Can you man-up and admit your USA Today post was a lie?

You said money is counterfeited, please explain why we don't make people give ID in order to use cash to clarify you analogy.

How does it make sense to deprive millions of people of their constitutional right with no evidence of a problem?

What kind of person violate the constitutional rights of 10,000 citizens for every illegal vote they prevent?

Some folks just blow angry smoke around here, but I'm sure you can help me understand your perspective on these issues or clarify where you were mistaken right Canada?

[QUOTE=Sojourner;2560914]Really? Do you have evidence or do you believe your delusions? The USA Today article you cited says the data was still on the site.

I asked several questions in my last letter, and you side-stepped them all. Can you man-up and admit your USA Today post was a lie?

You said money is counterfeited, please explain why we don't make people give ID in order to use cash to clarify you analogy.

How does it make sense to deprive millions of people of their constitutional right with no evidence of a problem?

What kind of person violate the constitutional rights of 10,000 citizens for every illegal vote they prevent?

Some folks just blow angry smoke around here, but I'm sure you can help me understand your perspective on these issues or clarify where you were mistaken right Canada?[/QUOTE]The issue is they posted a chart showing receiving 1,100,000 more ballots than they sent out. The chart was deleted and an excuse was made of why they pulled it. Maybe it was a mistake or maybe it want but no one got a chance to verify it before it was deleted. It does not deprive their constitutional rights if they are not registered to vote. What do you have against honest elections and both sides being able to verify the results?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2560874]You have a lot of nerve talking about somebody going easy on Russia. This is but one (but egregious) example:

[URL]https://youtu.be/wBwgxHnlhqo[/URL][/QUOTE]If Biden helps Russia it is ok but if a republican president helps Russia it is criminal? Is that what you are saying?

[QUOTE=Canada;2560870]Biden removed sanctions and approved pipeline from Russia to Germany today. Shows that Biden cares more about Russia energy than USA energy. No backlash at all from the media or environmental wackos. Amazing![/QUOTE]Amazing! (Not).

[QUOTE=Canada;2560926]If Biden helps Russia it is ok but if a republican president helps Russia it is criminal? Is that what you are saying?[/QUOTE]No, that's not what I'm saying. But, it's you who is saying something similar, and then trying to twist it around and project that onto me. That it's OK if Trump helped Russia, but it's criminal if Biden does. That's in effect what you are saying. And by the way, I don't agree that Biden has done what you say he has (helped Russia). No, I'm with Xpartan here. Truly amazing capacity with the mistruths and disinformation!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2560936]Amazing! (Not).[/QUOTE]Why do you assume someone is lying with Biden. It is on every news in the world except liberal media in USA which protects and covers up anything Biden does. If Trump did this liberals would be crying impeachment. Do you even have a clue how bad Biden is?

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-lifts-us-sanctions-on-major-russian-pipeline/ar-AAKaRHA[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2561012]Why do you assume someone is lying with Biden. It is on every news in the world except liberal media in USA which protects and covers up anything Biden does. If Trump did this liberals would be crying impeachment. Do you even have a clue how bad Biden is?

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-lifts-us-sanctions-on-major-russian-pipeline/ar-AAKaRHA[/URL][/QUOTE]You are correct, Canada. The democrats in this forum represent the dumbing down of the USA. I say this as a former business owner and former business (full) professor with a doctoral degree and 50 years of work experience while woefully watching the steady decline of the American dream, empire and its former values. I can't wait to get the fuck out of the USA: rising costs and rampant crime; me too feminazis; BLM bullshit; ad infinitum. I've got a sweet, young, super sexy, intelligent, gorgeous, Filipina waiting for me over there to spend my golden years with. And I'll be laughing at you democrats wallowing in the fucking mess you created.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561012]Why do you assume someone is lying with Biden. It is on every news in the world except liberal media in USA which protects and covers up anything Biden does. If Trump did this liberals would be crying impeachment. Do you even have a clue how bad Biden is?

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-lifts-us-sanctions-on-major-russian-pipeline/ar-AAKaRHA[/URL][/QUOTE]The WSJ has been all over this. Yes, Nordstream II is a mystery to many. My guess is that Biden is relying on opposition from the (rising) German Green Party to scuttle it; thereby achieving his ends (preserving Ukrainian revenues), while getting some brownie points or something with Putin. However, the primary difference is that no one believes Biden is Putin's minion.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2561054]The WSJ has been all over this. Yes, Nordstream II is a mystery to many. My guess is that Biden is relying on opposition from the (rising) German Green Party to scuttle it; thereby achieving his ends (preserving Ukrainian revenues), while getting some brownie points or something with Putin. However, the primary difference is that no one believes Biden is Putin's minion.[/QUOTE]Not only is Biden Putin Minion but the minion for several other leaders. Weak foreign policy is the death of USA. Why aren't the environmentalist in USA not speaking out. This pipeline is underwater and the socialists here not a word. This boasts Russia economy and provides jobs for thousands of workers. It is ok for the rest of the world but not in Biden USA. I am sure there will be a couple posts on here that I made this up. Why is Biden killing our jobs and creating jobs in Russia. Can you imagine if Trump had done this? The backlash and hatred.

Biden is xi's minion too, eh.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561103]Not only is Biden Putin Minion but the minion for several other leaders. Weak foreign policy is the death of USA. Why aren't the environmentalist in USA not speaking out. This pipeline is underwater and the socialists here not a word. This boasts Russia economy and provides jobs for thousands of workers. It is ok for the rest of the world but not in Biden USA. I am sure there will be a couple posts on here that I made this up. Why is Biden killing our jobs and creating jobs in Russia. Can you imagine if Trump had done this? The backlash and hatred.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2560995]No, that's not what I'm saying. But, it's you who is saying something similar, and then trying to twist it around and project that onto me. That it's OK if Trump helped Russia, but it's criminal if Biden does. That's in effect what you are saying. And by the way, I don't agree that Biden has done what you say he has (helped Russia). No, I'm with Xpartan here. Truly amazing capacity with the mistruths and disinformation![/QUOTE]Whenever Biden screws up and someone points it out you socialists can't accept the truth. Denying it happened doesn't cancel history. Biden did it to help Russia boost Russia economy and create thousands of jobs for Russians. But he cancelled the USA pipelines and killed thousands of jobs in USA. But you won't condemn it. You will only deny it happened. You can't cancel history and you can't hide all Biden screwups forever. There is no twisting this around. It is on every international news site. But if you watch CNN or MSNBC they will be like you and pretend it never happened.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561012]Why do you assume someone is lying with Biden. It is on every news in the world except liberal media in USA which protects and covers up anything Biden does. If Trump did this liberals would be crying impeachment. Do you even have a clue how bad Biden is?

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-lifts-us-sanctions-on-major-russian-pipeline/ar-AAKaRHA[/URL][/QUOTE]Show me one reputable "world news" outlet that confirms that Biden "approved pipeline from Russia to Germany. " That's your exact words in case you forgot.

And that's a lie.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2561054]The WSJ has been all over this. Yes, Nordstream II is a mystery to many. My guess is that Biden is relying on opposition from the (rising) German Green Party to scuttle it; thereby achieving his ends (preserving Ukrainian revenues), while getting some brownie points or something with Putin. However, the primary difference is that no one believes Biden is Putin's minion.[/QUOTE]Blinden said clearly that our opposition to to Nord Stream has not diminished. But it's nothing but silly to keep the sanctions up and annoy our European allies when the 90% of work is already done. It's pointless not unlike our sanctions on Cuba. Smart politicians choose their battles carefully and avoid those they can't win.

Now, Canada calling Biden "Putin's minion" is priceless after everything that his idol had done for his BFF Vlad.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561106]Whenever Biden screws up and someone points it out you socialists can't accept the truth. Denying it happened doesn't cancel history. Biden did it to help Russia boost Russia economy and create thousands of jobs for Russians. But he cancelled the USA pipelines and killed thousands of jobs in USA. But you won't condemn it. You will only deny it happened. You can't cancel history and you can't hide all Biden screwups forever. There is no twisting this around. It is on every international news site. But if you watch CNN or MSNBC they will be like you and pretend it never happened.[/QUOTE]Before you post again to this forum:

1) Point out an accurate prediction you've made over the last year.

2) Name a book that you have read.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2561111]Before you post again to this forum:

1) Point out an accurate prediction you've made over the last year.

2) Name a book that you have read.[/QUOTE]My accurate prediction was that Biden would reverse Trump policies that would be detrimental to USA citizens within his first 100 days. Unfortunately he did it in first 2 weeks.

Cancelled Trump border policies. Result was worst crises at the border since Obama days.

Cancelled XL Pipeline and cancelled drilling permits on federal leases and imposed regulations on oil companies. Result gas increasing 60% to 300% severely hurting the lower income families.

Killed several thousand high paying jobs in USA.

Weak foreign policy. Result war in Israel. New pipeline and better economy for Russia.

How many of Biden screwups do you want on my totally accurate prediction?

Or are you going to pretend none of this happened.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561106]Whenever Biden screws up and someone points it out you socialists can't accept the truth. Denying it happened doesn't cancel history. Biden did it to help Russia boost Russia economy and create thousands of jobs for Russians. But he cancelled the USA pipelines and killed thousands of jobs in USA. But you won't condemn it. You will only deny it happened. You can't cancel history and you can't hide all Biden screwups forever. There is no twisting this around. It is on every international news site. But if you watch CNN or MSNBC they will be like you and pretend it never happened.[/QUOTE]That's right! Deny it all you want to. But there is no canceling what happened, and who is responsible. Yes sir indeed!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2561110]Blinden said clearly that our opposition to to Nord Stream has not diminished. But it's nothing but silly to keep the sanctions up and annoy our European allies when the 90% of work is already done. It's pointless not unlike our sanctions on Cuba. Smart politicians choose their battles carefully and avoid those they can't win.

Now, Canada calling Biden "Putin's minion" is priceless after everything that his idol had done for his BFF Vlad.[/QUOTE]It is what it is. Biden proved he is Putin's minion with his actions.

XL Pipeline was further advanced than the Russia pipeline. Pipe had already been purchased. Dirt work had started and some of the lateral pipelines were already installed when Biden cancelled it hurting the states like Montana, S. Dakota, Nebraska, Oklahoma for jobs and taxes but helping Biden buddy Warren Buffet since all the oil now will have to be transported by rail and truck. Proves Biden helps his buddies. Buffit and Putin.

Why did you lie about the pipeline was 90% completed? That is a total lie.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2561119]That's right! Deny it all you want to. But there is no canceling what happened, and who is responsible. Yes sir indeed![/QUOTE]I agree totally. I am not denying that Biden screwed up Trump successes. Biden in 4 months has put America back 4 years. We get to look forward 3 1/2 more years of high gas prices and inflation and higher taxes. Good news is that the socialists and the democrats are fighting amongst themselves now. Socialists are demanding democrats support terrorist groups like Hamas. Will be interesting to see Biden squirm through this.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561124]It is what it is. Biden proved he is Putin's minion with his actions.

XL Pipeline was further advanced than the Russia pipeline. Pipe had already been purchased. Dirt work had started and some of the lateral pipelines were already installed when Biden cancelled it hurting the states like Montana, S. Dakota, Nebraska, Oklahoma for jobs and taxes but helping Biden buddy Warren Buffet since all the oil now will have to be transported by rail and truck. Proves Biden helps his buddies. Buffit and Putin.

Why did you lie about the pipeline was 90% completed? That is a total lie.[/QUOTE]Is it? Here is my source. What is yours?

[QUOTE]A U.S. official conceded that stopping the project would be difficult but that Washington would keep trying. "We inherited a pipeline that was over 90% complete and so stopping it has always been a long shot," the State Department official said.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-waive-sanctions-firm-ceo-behind-russias-nord-stream-2-pipeline-source-2021-05-19[/URL]

Now you've said that Biden "approved pipeline from Russia to Germany. ".

You've also accused me of lying.

Go ahead, show me yours.

This report includes several charts and graphs showing the extraordinarily poor performance of Trump's economic "stewardship" across the board all throughout his four years in office. The [b]Jobs Growth by Presidential Term[/b] graph is a particularly interesting one, showing how poorly Republican presidential jobs growth is compared to Democratic presidents. Note how many jobs were created under Carter in just 4 years compared to any other president both Dem and Repub serving 6-8 years, especially Reagan.

Too bad they had to lay so many of George W. Bush's plunging jobs numbers at Obama's feet since he took over just as the Niagara Falls of those Republican policy job losses were cresting and crashing onto the rocks below. Otherwise, Obama's jobs creation numbers would have dwarfed those of the best Repub numbers for Reagan too. Mind you, Reagan's years in office benefited from virtually every Baby Boomer (age 16 to 35 when Reagan took office) fully participating in the workforce while those same Baby Boomers were retiring with Social Security at a rate of 10,000 per day when Obama took office.

Imo, they cut Trump too much slack in this report by not emphasizing enough the Trump economic decisions as early as 2018 and certainly in full force in early 2020 that turned a manageable (by a better USA President) endemic in the Wuhan area of China into a deadly worldwide economy-destroying Pandemic.

Then again, that is what mainstream media punditry typically does in order to help Republicans look like viable if not preferable candidates for future elections. Another recent example being the way they characterized the 266,000 or so jobs created in April under a Dem as "dismal" while they and Trump would have been crowing about such a monthly jobs creation number for a year as one of the "greatest of all time!" even prior to Trump's Pandemic crash. lol

[B]Trump will have the worst jobs record in modern U.S. history. Its not just the pandemic.[/B]
January 8, 2021.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/08/trump-jobs-record/[/URL]
[QUOTE]President Trump took office at the crest of the longest economic expansion in U.S. history. He leaves presiding over the worst labor market in modern U.S. history, as an already-sputtering economic recovery has turned negative.

Fridays awful jobs report from the Labor Department showed there were still 3 million fewer jobs in the United States than there were on Inauguration Day 2017, when Trump stood in front of the Capitol and vowed to reverse the American carnage.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canada;2561143]I agree totally. I am not denying that Biden screwed up Trump successes. Biden in 4 months has put America back 4 years. We get to look forward 3 1/2 more years of high gas prices and inflation and higher taxes. Good news is that the socialists and the democrats are fighting amongst themselves now. Socialists are demanding democrats support terrorist groups like Hamas. Will be interesting to see Biden squirm through this.[/QUOTE]If only we could go back 4 years and just erase Trumps diabolical performance. Strong jobs growth for 7 straight years, 11% down to 5%. Consistent economic growth while fixing the economic collapse Bush created. Getting the annual deficit down to 400 b unlike Trump who blew it out to $1 t whilst achieving the same growth and jobs creation as Obama, no pointless trade wars that achieved nothing but increased costs to consumers and massive socialist bailouts to farmers, minimal corruption unlike Trump with more cronies going to jail and being investigated since Nixon, better law and order, no fake border crisis, no alienating all our allies and schmoozing dictators, no playing golf for half the presidency, no supporting domestic terrorist, having stable government without weekly firing of people over twitter and no 100 lies a day to try and process.

[QUOTE=Canada;2560925]The issue is they posted a chart showing receiving 1,100,000 more ballots than they sent out. The chart was deleted and an excuse was made of why they pulled it. Maybe it was a mistake or maybe it want but no one got a chance to verify it before it was deleted. It does not deprive their constitutional rights if they are not registered to vote. What do you have against honest elections and both sides being able to verify the results?[/QUOTE]Your discussion is a wonderful example of the Trump character. You make a dishonest post that tries to claim USA Today is agreeing with you when they absolutely do not. You are called on it and the facts are there for all to see. But despite several requests you edont have the balls to acknowledge what we all can see- that you were full of crap. In front of everyone, you choose your wishful delusion over an obvious truth when we all can see the difference. I guess I should not be surprised you can't admit your favorite sociopath got his but kicked in the election.

I previously asked you to provide evidence that something was taken down as that contradicts the article you cited but clearly didn't understand. You have no proof, but continue to make things up.

Fundamentally you set out to prove a point with an article that proved you were wrong. Continuing to dodge the issues and make things up after you've lost may not make you look as tough or smart as you think. Doesn't seem like a great use of your time or mine.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2561107]Show me one reputable "world news" outlet that confirms that Biden "approved pipeline from Russia to Germany.[/QUOTE]"Reputable". LOL. You mean "leftist fake news".

The USA has vast influence in Germany. They literally occupy the country, and have been protecting them from Russia for 70 years. Trump used that leverage, and sanctions, to pressure the Europeans to block the Russia pipeline, which would have meant they would have bought American natural gas instead. (he also used it to make them pay their fair and agreed share into NATO, and much else which benefited America).

Now we have returned to the status quo of American weakness, and Biden's handlers have not only destroyed the Keystone pipeline, they have removed the pressure and sanctions and allowed the Russia-Germany pipeline to go ahead. This will again cost American jobs. The gas that would have been supplied to Europe from America but now will come from Russia. As well as obviously hugely strengthening Russia's position economically and its leverage over Europe.

Imagine if Trump had done that. Imagine the hysterical fake news media shrieking about how he was empowering Russia, he was Putin's stooge, etc, etc. In reality, Trump was standing up against Russia, and Biden's handlers have caved in to them. What do we hear from the fake news media?

Why, it's almost as if the democrats want to destroy America!

[QUOTE=DCups;2561043]You are correct, Canada. The democrats in this forum represent the dumbing down of the USA. I say this as a former business owner and former business (full) professor with a doctoral degree and 50 years of work experience while woefully watching the steady decline of the American dream, empire and its former values. I can't wait to get the fuck out of the USA: rising costs and rampant crime; me too feminazis; BLM bullshit; ad infinitum. I've got a sweet, young, super sexy, intelligent, gorgeous, Filipina waiting for me over there to spend my golden years with. And I'll be laughing at you democrats wallowing in the fucking mess you created.[/QUOTE]Amen. The Philippines is going the opposite way to the USA: it now has leadership who enforce the rule of law and severely punish violent criminals. Compare that to America with violent BLM felons openly cheered on the by the fraudulent Vice-President Kamala "Heels-Up" Harris, a nonentity born of foreign parents who grew up in a foreign country, and was a low-level, undistinguished municipal prosecutor until the age of 30 when she began an affair with Willie Brown, the married mayor of San Francisco 30 years her senior, who then purely by coincidence gave her two big political promotions for which she was unqualified. Yes, she literally fucked her way to the top.

The situation of the McCloskeys is indicative of the future in America, at least in democrat-run cities. A mob of antifa / BLM broke through their gate, trespassed onto the McCloskeys' property and began shouting threats to them about stealing their home, burning it down, killing them etc. In response, the McCloskeys got their legally-held firearms to protect themselves and dissuade the rioters from making good on their threats.

The district attorney of this democrat-run city is a far-left anti-white black woman who was elected thanks to heavy funding from George Soros and support from leftist fake news media. She ignored the various crimes committed by the mob, and instead had the McCloskeys indicted and their legally-held weapons confiscated in violation of the Second Amendment of the US Constitution.

Ditto for the MeToo bullshit. I'm no fan of Harvey Weinstein but the precedent set in his case is truly shocking. He was convicted of "r_ping" a woman who accepted that she was his legitimate girlfriend both before and after the alleged act, backed up by emails and texts she sent before and after begging to see him, and never referencing the so-called crime. Then, many years later, she decides that in between all of the many occasions in which they had consensual sex, she was "r_ped". No physical evidence, no evidence from any messages she sent at the time, and yet the guy is guilty. Despite having the best lawyers money can buy! So what the hell chance do the rest of us have?

That means that any woman in the US can now claim that any guy she ever had sex with, going back years or decades (or even spent any time with, because no physical proof of sex is even needed) "r_ped" her, and she doesn't need any evidence whatsoever other than her own testimony. The precedent is set. Of course we all know how nasty, crazy and vengeful women can be (hell hath no fury) and many are now using this crap as yet another weapon against men.

None of that crap in the Philippines. You're making a good choice, and I hope to join you one day!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2561211]This report includes several charts and graphs showing the extraordinarily poor performance of Trump's economic "stewardship" across the board all throughout his four years in office. The [b]Jobs Growth by Presidential Term[/b] graph is a particularly interesting one, showing how poorly Republican presidential jobs growth is compared to Democratic presidents. Note how many jobs were created under Carter in just 4 years compared to any other president both Dem and Repub serving 6-8 years, especially Reagan.

Too bad they had to lay so many of George W. Bush's plunging jobs numbers at Obama's feet since he took over just as the Niagara Falls of those Republican policy job losses were cresting and crashing onto the rocks below. Otherwise, Obama's jobs creation numbers would have dwarfed those of the best Repub numbers for Reagan too. Mind you, Reagan's years in office benefited from virtually every Baby Boomer (age 16 to 35 when Reagan took office) fully participating in the workforce while those same Baby Boomers were retiring with Social Security at a rate of 10,000 per day when Obama took office.

Imo, they cut Trump too much slack in this report by not emphasizing enough the Trump economic decisions as early as 2018 and certainly in full force in early 2020 that turned a manageable (by a better USA President) endemic in the Wuhan area of China into a deadly worldwide economy-destroying Pandemic.

Then again, that is what mainstream media punditry typically does in order to help Republicans look like viable if not preferable candidates for future elections. Another recent example being the way they characterized the 266,000 or so jobs created in April under a Dem as "dismal" while they and Trump would have been crowing about such a monthly jobs creation number for a year as one of the "greatest of all time!" even prior to Trump's Pandemic crash. lol

[B]Trump will have the worst jobs record in modern U.S. history. Its not just the pandemic.[/B]
January 8, 2021.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/08/trump-jobs-record/[/URL][/QUOTE]This post proves you can't fix stupid!

[QUOTE=Canada;2561320]This post proves you can't fix stupid![/QUOTE]In the face of overwhelming evidence Canada admits that nothing is going to fix his stupidity!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2561282]"Reputable". LOL. You mean "leftist fake news".

The USA has vast influence in Germany. They literally occupy the country, and have been protecting them from Russia for 70 years. Trump used that leverage, and sanctions, to pressure the Europeans to block the Russia pipeline, which would have meant they would have bought American natural gas instead. (he also used it to make them pay their fair and agreed share into NATO, and much else which benefited America).

Now we have returned to the status quo of American weakness, and Biden's handlers have not only destroyed the Keystone pipeline, they have removed the pressure and sanctions and allowed the Russia-Germany pipeline to go ahead. This will again cost American jobs. The gas that would have been supplied to Europe from America but now will come from Russia. As well as obviously hugely strengthening Russia's position economically and its leverage over Europe.

Imagine if Trump had done that. Imagine the hysterical fake news media shrieking about how he was empowering Russia, he was Putin's stooge, etc, etc. In reality, Trump was standing up against Russia, and Biden's handlers have caved in to them. What do we hear from the fake news media?

Why, it's almost as if the democrats want to destroy America![/QUOTE]LOL. Biden just took over the presidency. The pipeline is almost complete! You think that was done in 3 months? Nope they had 4 years ignoring Trumps sanctions and non influence. No they were not going to buy US gas when Qatari gas is much cheaper. Qatar is increasing output 50%. Basically all new US gas terminals are on hold because they can't secure the contracts to raise finance.

What has the keystone pipeline got to do with anything? The US isn't paying any more for the oil, the Canadians need to deliver at a competitive price. The objective is that the oil won't be needed at all in 10 years as electric vehicles take over the roads.

The reality is it would have been good if Trump succeeded to cancel Nord stream 2 unfortunately he was grossly incompetent. Anything that provides sustenance and support for Russia is a bad thing. Russian girls need to be kept poor so I can satisfy my infatuation with dyevushkas.

[URL]https://www.nord-stream2.com/[/URL]

Today: [URL]https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/recent-actions/20210521[/URL].

Please educate yourselves with respect to above private project.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561320]This post proves you can't fix stupid![/QUOTE]So right. It is astonishing that anyone who wants the USA Economy to do well would vote for a Republican at any level after Reagan's first presidential term, much less for president.

Not only is the accurate historical record of results for creating USA Jobs crap under Repub presidents compared to Dem presidents, stock market gains border control, paying down the deficit, even crime rate declines have strongly favored Dem presidents over Repub presidents since records for such things have been kept.

Yet, we now have incredibly stupid people storming the Capitol Building, attacking cops, searching out elected officials to shoot and lynch, brandishing and mounting traitorous flags there for the first time in American history, killing, stealing, vandalizing and attempting a violent overthrow of American democracy just so we can have "4 More Years!" of the worst economic "stewardship" and results of all time.

Yes, it probably can't be fixed anytime soon.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2561364]LOL. Biden just took over the presidency. The pipeline is almost complete! You think that was done in 3 months? Nope they had 4 years ignoring Trumps sanctions and non influence. No they were not going to buy US gas when Qatari gas is much cheaper. Qatar is increasing output 50%. Basically all new US gas terminals are on hold because they can't secure the contracts to raise finance.

What has the keystone pipeline got to do with anything? The US isn't paying any more for the oil, the Canadians need to deliver at a competitive price. The objective is that the oil won't be needed at all in 10 years as electric vehicles take over the roads.

The reality is it would have been good if Trump succeeded to cancel Nord stream 2 unfortunately he was grossly incompetent. Anything that provides sustenance and support for Russia is a bad thing. Russian girls need to be kept poor so I can satisfy my infatuation with dyevushkas.[/QUOTE][URL]https://fortune.com/2020/09/08/trump-pipeline-russia-germany-natural-gas-merkel-navalny-poisoned-nord-stream-2/[/URL]

"there is growing pressure on German Chancellor Angela Merkel to kill the $11 billion scheme. If Merkel does reverse her long-standing support for Nord Stream 2, as she has for the first time hinted she might do, the beneficiary would likely be the USA."

If the election had not been stolen and Trump was still in office, the pipeline would have been cancelled. Unfortunately, former Vice-President Biden's handlers have returned to the era of American weakness.

As for "electric vehicles", LOL, where do you think that electricity comes from? Windmills? Good luck with that.

We can at least agree on Russian girls.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2561287]Amen. The Philippines is going the opposite way to the USA: it now has leadership who enforce the rule of law and severely punish violent criminals. Compare that to America with violent BLM felons openly cheered on the by the fraudulent Vice-President Kamala "Heels-Up" Harris, a nonentity born of foreign parents who grew up in a foreign country, and was a low-level, undistinguished municipal prosecutor until the age of 30 when she began an affair with Willie Brown, the married mayor of San Francisco 30 years her senior, who then purely by coincidence gave her two big political promotions for which she was unqualified. Yes, she literally fucked her way to the top.

The situation of the McCloskeys is indicative of the future in America, at least in democrat-run cities. A mob of antifa / BLM broke through their gate, trespassed onto the McCloskeys' property and began shouting threats to them about stealing their home, burning it down, killing them etc. In response, the McCloskeys got their legally-held firearms to protect themselves and dissuade the rioters from making good on their threats.

The district attorney of this democrat-run city is a far-left anti-white black woman who was elected thanks to heavy funding from George Soros and support from leftist fake news media. She ignored the various crimes committed by the mob, and instead had the McCloskeys indicted and their legally-held weapons confiscated in violation of the Second Amendment of the US Constitution.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Cris P. There is plenty of room for you over there!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2561526][URL]https://fortune.com/2020/09/08/trump-pipeline-russia-germany-natural-gas-merkel-navalny-poisoned-nord-stream-2/[/URL]

"there is growing pressure on German Chancellor Angela Merkel to kill the $11 billion scheme. If Merkel does reverse her long-standing support for Nord Stream 2, as she has for the first time hinted she might do, the beneficiary would likely be the USA."

If the election had not been stolen and Trump was still in office, the pipeline would have been cancelled. Unfortunately, former Vice-President Biden's handlers have returned to the era of American weakness.

As for "electric vehicles", LOL, where do you think that electricity comes from? Windmills? Good luck with that.

We can at least agree on Russian girls.[/QUOTE]There has been no credible evidence that the election was stolen. Not one piece of evidence was submitted to courts to support all the wild accusations. There is a specific reason for this. If you present unsubstantiated rumours to a court you can be financially sanctioned and have your license to practice law revoked. All these claims have just been a big scam to raise money for legal fights from all Trumps gullible supporters.

Trump had zero success in stopping Nord stream 2. His sanctions were ignored, his tweets were ignored, he had no leverage and everyone concerned knew that his group of 'z' list administrators had no competence to achieve anything. Pompeo, Navarro, Kudrow, Mnuchin, Kushner, what a joke!

Take a look at the new F150 and you will start to understand the future. It can charge from the home electrical supply and also discharge into it giving the capacity to power a home for 3 -5 days. When the majority of vehicles become electrically powered the batteries will become a huge grid storage able to soak up power during excess supply and feed it in during peak demand making it much easier to manage intermittent supplies from solar and wind turbines.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2561598]There has been no credible evidence that the election was stolen. Not one piece of evidence was submitted to courts to support all the wild accusations. There is a specific reason for this. If you present unsubstantiated rumours to a court you can be financially sanctioned and have your license to practice law revoked. All these claims have just been a big scam to raise money for legal fights from all Trumps gullible supporters.

Trump had zero success in stopping Nord stream 2. His sanctions were ignored, his tweets were ignored, he had no leverage and everyone concerned knew that his group of 'z' list administrators had no competence to achieve anything. Pompeo, Navarro, Kudrow, Mnuchin, Kushner, what a joke!

Take a look at the new F150 and you will start to understand the future. It can charge from the home electrical supply and also discharge into it giving the capacity to power a home for 3 -5 days. When the majority of vehicles become electrically powered the batteries will become a huge grid storage able to soak up power during excess supply and feed it in during peak demand making it much easier to manage intermittent supplies from solar and wind turbines.[/QUOTE]Keep dreaming.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2561453]So right. It is astonishing that anyone who wants the USA Economy to do well would vote for a Republican at any level after Reagan's first presidential term, much less for president.

Not only is the accurate historical record of results for creating USA Jobs crap under Repub presidents compared to Dem presidents, stock market gains border control, paying down the deficit, even crime rate declines have strongly favored Dem presidents over Repub presidents since records for such things have been kept.

Yet, we now have incredibly stupid people storming the Capitol Building, attacking cops, searching out elected officials to shoot and lynch, brandishing and mounting traitorous flags there for the first time in American history, killing, stealing, vandalizing and attempting a violent overthrow of American democracy just so we can have "4 More Years!" of the worst economic "stewardship" and results of all time.

Yes, it probably can't be fixed anytime soon.[/QUOTE]There are more violent people storming federal buildings in Portland every weekend than there was violence on the capital. There are 10 ties more seats in Portland than there ever was at the capital. Where is the outrage for this?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2561453]So right. It is astonishing that anyone who wants the USA Economy to do well would vote for a Republican at any level after Reagan's first presidential term, much less for president.

Not only is the accurate historical record of results for creating USA Jobs crap under Repub presidents compared to Dem presidents, stock market gains border control, paying down the deficit, even crime rate declines have strongly favored Dem presidents over Repub presidents since records for such things have been kept.

Yet, we now have incredibly stupid people storming the Capitol Building, attacking cops, searching out elected officials to shoot and lynch, brandishing and mounting traitorous flags there for the first time in American history, killing, stealing, vandalizing and attempting a violent overthrow of American democracy just so we can have "4 More Years!" of the worst economic "stewardship" and results of all time.

Yes, it probably can't be fixed anytime soon.[/QUOTE]Everyone in the USA can see how Biden is doing compared to Trump at the border except for you. At least when Republicans are in power crime is still illegal. Democratic states along with Biden and Harris make a mockery of the laws in the country. Crime is at its highest level since defunding the police started than ever. You must be proud to be a democrat supporting criminals. When politicians get attacked at the capital it is the worst crime in history. When ordinary people get attacked everyday it is peaceful protests. Democrats and terrorists. One and the same.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2561364]LOL. Biden just took over the presidency. The pipeline is almost complete! You think that was done in 3 months? Nope they had 4 years ignoring Trumps sanctions and non influence. No they were not going to buy US gas when Qatari gas is much cheaper. Qatar is increasing output 50%. Basically all new US gas terminals are on hold because they can't secure the contracts to raise finance.

What has the keystone pipeline got to do with anything? The US isn't paying any more for the oil, the Canadians need to deliver at a competitive price. The objective is that the oil won't be needed at all in 10 years as electric vehicles take over the roads.

The reality is it would have been good if Trump succeeded to cancel Nord stream 2 unfortunately he was grossly incompetent. Anything that provides sustenance and support for Russia is a bad thing. Russian girls need to be kept poor so I can satisfy my infatuation with dyevushkas.[/QUOTE]USA buys Canadian oil at a competitive price FOB Canada. Plus they pay shipping from Canada to USA. Shipping is much cheaper in pipeline transport than by rail and truck. In 10 years I am still going to be driving my gas car because most of the electric cars will be parked with limited electricity. Some states now don't have enough electricity to keep homes going year round much less supply enough to take all gas cars out of circulation. Do you really think gas prices have increased by 80% because pipelines and drilling don't have an effect on price. Obviously you never had a business or employed people so you think excess regulations and higher taxes will keep commodities cheap.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561677]USA buys Canadian oil at a competitive price FOB Canada. Plus they pay shipping from Canada to USA. Shipping is much cheaper in pipeline transport than by rail and truck. In 10 years I am still going to be driving my gas car because most of the electric cars will be parked with limited electricity. Some states now don't have enough electricity to keep homes going year round much less supply enough to take all gas cars out of circulation. Do you really think gas prices have increased by 80% because pipelines and drilling don't have an effect on price. Obviously you never had a business or employed people so you think excess regulations and higher taxes will keep commodities cheap.[/QUOTE]Finishing the pipeline enabling Germany to acquire Russian fuel is brilliant statesmanship on the part of the Biden Adminstration. Isn't that so much more efficient than transporting gas all the way from North America across an ocean? And they'll be a larger supply of gas in the USA, and at cheaper prices. A win-win for everyone.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561677]USA buys Canadian oil at a competitive price FOB Canada. Plus they pay shipping from Canada to USA. Shipping is much cheaper in pipeline transport than by rail and truck. In 10 years I am still going to be driving my gas car because most of the electric cars will be parked with limited electricity. Some states now don't have enough electricity to keep homes going year round much less supply enough to take all gas cars out of circulation. Do you really think gas prices have increased by 80% because pipelines and drilling don't have an effect on price. Obviously you never had a business or employed people so you think excess regulations and higher taxes will keep commodities cheap.[/QUOTE]Yes you are correct the FOB price is a significant discount. For a supposed successful businessman you seem to be clueless on even the most basic of economic principles that the refiners are not going to pay a delivered price to their gate that they cannot buy the same from elsewhere. So they discount the FOB price to cover the transport costs. I guess those who are trapped in a cult where they worship a crime boss whose sole business skills are to get banks to accept big haircuts on loans and money launder Russian crime money are not capable or rational economic analysis.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561677]USA buys Canadian oil at a competitive price FOB Canada. Plus they pay shipping from Canada to USA. Shipping is much cheaper in pipeline transport than by rail and truck. In 10 years I am still going to be driving my gas car because most of the electric cars will be parked with limited electricity. Some states now don't have enough electricity to keep homes going year round much less supply enough to take all gas cars out of circulation. Do you really think gas prices have increased by 80% because pipelines and drilling don't have an effect on price. Obviously you never had a business or employed people so you think excess regulations and higher taxes will keep commodities cheap.[/QUOTE]As an experiment, try not posting for a full week and then report to us if you feel better or worse.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561674]Everyone in the USA can see how Biden is doing compared to Trump at the border except for you. At least when Republicans are in power crime is still illegal. Democratic states along with Biden and Harris make a mockery of the laws in the country. Crime is at its highest level since defunding the police started than ever. You must be proud to be a democrat supporting criminals. When politicians get attacked at the capital it is the worst crime in history. When ordinary people get attacked everyday it is peaceful protests. Democrats and terrorists. One and the same.[/QUOTE][b]"We saw the increases (of unaccompanied minors at the southern U.S. border) dating back almost a year."
MOSTLY TRUE[/b]
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/17/veronica-escobar/did-increase-children-arriving-border-start-under-/

[b]2020 Ends as One of America's Most Violent Years in Decades.[/b]
[URL]https://time.com/5922082/2020-gun-violence-homicides-record-year/[/URL]#text=Gun%20 violence%20 and%20 gun%20 crime, firearm%2 Drelated%20 incidents%20 in%202020.

I forget. Who was the so-called president in 2020?

[QUOTE=Canada;2561674]....When politicians get attacked at the capital it is the worst crime in history. When ordinary people get attacked everyday it is peaceful protests. Democrats and terrorists. ....[/QUOTE]Did you have Covid19? (or doesn't exist for you) - it attacks the brain!

Sara Boboltz.

Sara Boboltz·Reporter, HuffPost.

Sun, May 23,2021, 4:27 AM·3 min read.

"The Associated Press reporter who was fired after right-wing media and activists worked to destroy her reputation over views she expressed about Israel and Palestine while in college said Saturday that the wire service made her "a scapegoat. "

The reporter, Emily Wilder, who is Jewish, was terminated on Wednesday after three weeks on the job, sparking an immediate outcry from others in the news media.

She had been targeted by the Stanford College Republicans ― a group of college-age conservatives from her alma mater ― for criticizing Zionists including the late billionaire Trump supporter Sheldon Adelson over social media and participating in a group called Students for Justice in Palestine.

Wilder said in a statement that she was fired for violating the AP's social media policy, which the wire service also confirmed in a statement this week. But according to Wilder, AP management never told her which posts supposedly constituted a violation when she asked.

Conservative media and Republicans with large followings, including Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), amplified the Stanford College Republicans' pressure campaign against the wire service. "

[QUOTE=Canada;2561673]There are more violent people storming federal buildings in Portland every weekend than there was violence on the capital. There are 10 ties more seats in Portland than there ever was at the capital. Where is the outrage for this?[/QUOTE]Exactly the point. Downtown Portland, Seattle, and SF have been destroyed by left wing radicals (Antifa and BLM), the incompetent Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed the rioting to go on and on, and the corrupt corporate media that would not report the mayhem objectively because what was going on ran counter to their story line of peaceful demonstrations. This is eerily similar to what occurred in the final years of the Weimar Republic. Read the history!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2561759]
[URL]https://time.com/5922082/2020-gun-violence-homicides-record-year/[/URL]#text=Gun%20 violence%20 and%20 gun%20 crime, firearm%2 Drelated%20 incidents%20 in%202020.

I forget. Who was the so-called president in 2020?[/QUOTE]You seem to forget who is in charge of New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, LA, Baltimore, and Detroit. These are all one party Democrat controlled cities and have been for 50 years or more and they all have incompetent left wing mayors and governors, plus a new phenomenon, radical, rogue, democrat district attorneys who refuse to enforce the law (no cash bail). So things are only going to get worse in American cities, much worse and more violent. For example, last week there was an election in Philadelphia for district attorney between a moderate Democrat, Carlos Vega, who said he would enforce the law (cash bail) and a radical Democrat, Larry Krasner, who said he would not enforce the law (no cash bail). Guess who won?

So ETh, you can try to pin everything on Trump and I am sure there are many like minded BM's who will agree with you, but you could not be more mistaken. I don't think you have an accurate picture of what is going on in the USA or maybe you do and you support the insanity. I don't know you that will to make the assessment, but I do know that all this is insanity is happening for a reason and that this may very well be the last days of the American Republic. Is that what you really want?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2561857]Exactly the point. Downtown Portland, Seattle, and SF have been destroyed by left wing radicals (Antifa and BLM), the incompetent Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed the rioting to go on and on, and the corrupt corporate media that would not report the mayhem objectively because what was going on ran counter to their story line of peaceful demonstrations. This is eerily similar to what occurred in the final years of the Weimar Republic.[/QUOTE]Holler on Chicken Little. You just violated Godwin's Law and lose by default.

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Godwin%27s%20Law[/URL]

There's a long history in America of peaceful protests associated with racial tensions and Civil Rights. There's also often been opportunists around the fringes looting and the like. Very few murders in the Pacific Northwest can be attributed to BLM or Antifa members. Also Antifa has attacked the Democratic headquarters in Portland, and are anarchists with little in common with your typical Democrats. Seeing that you claim to like to read, dig in.

[URL]https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/202...old-to-71.html[/URL]

There also were plenty of arrests during these events last summer.

[URL]https://www.koin.com/news/protests/p...ough-feb-2021/[/URL]

Some of the deaths were associated with wingnut counter protestors, or were entirely unrelated to either cause.

[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-ri...ed-november-1/[/URL]

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/US/deaths-con...ry?id=72724790[/URL]

Here's the bottom line though, you and the corporate media (Fox Media Corporation) desperately want to move on from January 6th but nothing is working. Downplaying while re-writing history isn't working, nor is whataboutism. You and Trumpism are stuck with it, spreading stolen election lies that no court has taken seriously, fueling a mob with gallows, zip ties, bombs, and foreign flags murdering police officers while sacking the Capital and trying to stop an election certification. History will remember this for centuries after you've long been in the grave. In them meantime reasonable, patriotic Americans won't let you forget it either.

I had some links fail to function, though the articles are still active as I just confirmed. Here they are again. If they fail to work then the issue is internal to ISG.

[URL]https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2021/01/55-homicides-in-portland-in-2020-the-most-in-26-years-involved-victims-from-8-months-old-to-71.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.koin.com/news/protests/portland-protest-arrests-by-the-numbers-through-feb-2021/[/URL]

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/US/deaths-connected-protests-story-complicated/story?id=72724790[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-delayed-november-1/[/URL]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2561847]"The Associated Press reporter who was fired after right-wing media and activists worked to destroy her reputation over views she expressed about Israel and Palestine while in college said Saturday that the wire service made her "a scapegoat. "

She had been targeted by the Stanford for criticizing Zionists including the late billionaire Trump supporter Sheldon Adelson over social media and participating in a group called Students for Justice in Palestine.

Wilder said in a statement that she was fired for violating the AP's social media policy [/QUOTE]This woman had the temerity to touch the third rail in American politics. FYI: this can't be used this as an example of Republican intolerance or whatever. Both parties are on board, bought and paid for to sell out you the taxpaying American citizen on behalf of Zionist supremacism.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2561857]Exactly the point. Downtown Portland, Seattle, and SF have been destroyed by left wing radicals (Antifa and BLM), the incompetent Democrat Mayors and Governors who allowed the rioting to go on and on, and the corrupt corporate media that would not report the mayhem objectively because what was going on ran counter to their story line of peaceful demonstrations. This is eerily similar to what occurred in the final years of the Weimar Republic. Read the history!

You seem to forget who is in charge of New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, LA, Baltimore, and Detroit. These are all one party Democrat controlled cities and have been for 50 years or more and they all have incompetent left wing mayors and governors, plus a new phenomenon, radical, rogue, democrat district attorneys who refuse to enforce the law (no cash bail). So things are only going to get worse in American cities, much worse and more violent. For example, last week there was an election in Philadelphia for district attorney between a moderate Democrat, Carlos Vega, who said he would enforce the law (cash bail) and a radical Democrat, Larry Krasner, who said he would not enforce the law (no cash bail). Guess who won?

So ETh, you can try to pin everything on Trump and I am sure there are many like minded BM's who will agree with you, but you could not be more mistaken. I don't think you have an accurate picture of what is going on in the USA or maybe you do and you support the insanity. I don't know you that will to make the assessment, but I do know that all this is insanity is happening for a reason and that this may very well be the last days of the American Republic. Is that what you really want?[/QUOTE]Natty, you appear to be a willing sucker for the Social Issues that Repubs must rile up the electorate on to vote for since no sane person would ever support them for their consistent disastrous economic and foreign policy results.

You list some of the oldest and most densely populated cities in America with the most difficult to manage urban centers where violence is high but forget their now sprawling greater metropilitan areas of suburbs where crime is not a big problem. Those Dem Mayors manage those areas too. Most Americans live in those metropolitan areas and blue states, by choice, and have relatively little interest in living in red states with more tumbleweeds, rattlesnakes and cactus than human beings no matter how fast Barney Fife is on the draw and crime is low as long as Aunt Bee doesn't shout "Bingo!" too loud at the next pot luck church dinner.

I am making light if it because I can only assume you were joking about Dem Mayors of some of the most important and economically influential cities on Earth leading the charge against the American Republic after what the world just witnessed "Law and Order" Repubs doing at the literal site and seat of it on January 6 and their pathetic attempt to re-write the history of it that should and hopefully will define their leadership and Party forever.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2561847]Sara Boboltz.

Sara BoboltzReporter, HuffPost.

Sun, May 23,2021, 4:27 AM3 min read.

"The Associated Press reporter who was fired after right-wing media and activists worked to destroy her reputation over views she expressed about Israel and Palestine while in college said Saturday that the wire service made her "a scapegoat. "

The reporter, Emily Wilder, who is Jewish, was terminated on Wednesday after three weeks on the job, sparking an immediate outcry from others in the news media.

[/QUOTE]My understanding is that AP is a news wire service. It's not supposed to take sides. Although it does and historically, the side AP reporters usually take in the Middle East conflicts is pro-Palestinian. Here is an excellent article from a former AP editor that discloses how AP and Western press in general cook the news when Palestinian "martyrs" are involved.

[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262[/URL]

Normally Palestinians and their Israel-hating enablers don't have an issue with AP, but this time around AP rubbed them the wrong way. How dare AP have fired a reporter who's advancing their agenda?

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

The reality is there is no ambiguity here. As an AP employee, Ms. Wilder is not supposed to propagate her politics. And yet, that's exactly what she did.

It's true that Twitter conservatives picked that up and traced her politics back to Stanford where she was a vocal pro-Palestinian activist.

However, she hasn't been fired for her college activism; she's been fired for violating the policy of her employer and, more importantly, for [B]getting caught[/B].

If she hadn't been caught publicly, no one at AP would've moved a finger. But after she became famous, AP had to do something.

Anyone who's ever worked for someone knows it's a fair game.

[QUOTE]Her Twitter feed since joining the AP contains a few retweets that appear sympathetic to Palestinians in the current Gaza conflict, including a video clip of demonstrators chanting, "Free, free Palestine!

On Sunday, she tweeted: "Objectivity feels fickle when the basic terms we use to report news implicitly take a claim. Using Israel but never Palestine, or war but not siege and occupation are political choices yet media make those exact choices all the time without being flagged as biased.

AP prohibits employees from openly expressing their opinions on political matters and other public issues for fear that could damage the news organization's reputation for objectivity and jeopardize its many reporters around the world.

"We have this policy so the comments of one person cannot create dangerous conditions for our journalists covering the story, Easton said. "Every AP journalist is responsible for safeguarding our ability to report on this conflict, or any other, with fairness and credibility, and cannot take sides in public forums.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.dailysabah.com/world/americas/should-ap-have-fired-journalist-who-was-pro-palestine-in-college{tagreplacement4}[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2561993] 1) You just violated Godwin's Law and lose by default.

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Godwin%27s%20Law[/URL]

2) There's a long history in America of peaceful protests associated with racial tensions and Civil Rights. There's also often been opportunists around the fringes looting and the like. Very few murders in the Pacific Northwest can be attributed to BLM or Antifa members.

3) Also Antifa has attacked the Democratic headquarters in Portland, and are anarchists with little in common with your typical Democrats. Seeing that you claim to like to read, dig in.


4) There also were plenty of arrests during these events last summer.


5) Here's the bottom line though, you and the corporate media (Fox Media Corporation) [/QUOTE]My Answer:

1) I did not violate Godwin's Law which I generally agree with. Case in point; there are way too many frivolous Nazi accusations carelessly thrown about mostly from the left to attack conservatives they disagree with and being called a racist is the same thing. Whenever anyone says something contrary to the Left's Orthodoxy they are accused of being racist. It is an effective way of shutting down debate. But I didn't call the leaders of Antifa or BLM or Democratic party leaders Nazis, I was referring to the uncanny similarities of strategies employed by Ernst Roehm (RöHM), leader of the Brown Shirts and the Democratic Parity's use of Antifa and BLM in the run up to the 2020 elections. You can dismiss these similarities if you want to, but I will remind you of George Santayana famous quote, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

2) You call the 2021 ("Summer of Love") rioting peaceful! What a joke.

3) Yeah, Antifa is violent, nihilistic and out of their friggin' minds, but that does not mean they are not useful to the cause. I will refer you again to history, specifically Ernst Roehm, and the fate of the Brown Shirts. Hitler used them as long as they were useful, but as soon as they got in his way and threatened his grip on power he had them eliminated in one night. I am pretty sure the same fate awaits the leaders of Antifa and BLM once the Democrat Party takes full control of the country. Ha!

4) You are not serious. Yes there were arrests and then the authorities let everybody out of jail to riot again the next night. Can you name left wing rioter who has been convicted of a crime and spent time in prison?

5) I love how you appropriate of the phrase, "the corporate media" and try to reserve it solely for Fox. The term "corporate media" refers to radical leftist corporations Disney / ABC, Comcast / NBC, MSNBC, and my favorite AT&T / CNN. But who cares?

[QUOTE=GDreams;2561598]There has been no credible evidence that the election was stolen. Not one piece of evidence was submitted to courts to support all the wild accusations. There is a specific reason for this. If you present unsubstantiated rumours to a court you can be financially sanctioned and have your license to practice law revoked. All these claims have just been a big scam to raise money for legal fights from all Trumps gullible supporters.

Trump had zero success in stopping Nord stream 2. His sanctions were ignored, his tweets were ignored, he had no leverage and everyone concerned knew that his group of 'z' list administrators had no competence to achieve anything..[/QUOTE]There was ample evidence that the election was both stolen and unconstitutional. Pallets full of hundreds of thousands of ballots, 96% for Biden, showing up at 6 am in just the number required to overturn Trump's massive lead is laughably obvious fraud. Ironically, Belarus is back in the news today and the fake news media have been repeating the "stolen election" story, but without offering an iota of proof. There were no pallets full of ballots for Lukashenko proven to have arrived at 6 am to overhaul his rival's lead. Nobody knows or has any actual forensic evidence of anything in the Belarussian election, and yet the fake news and social media promote the narrative. However, try the same thing in America, with the addition of the evidence above, and you get banned. Double standards and hypocrisy, based on political agenda.

Nevertheless, the latter unconstitutional argument is in fact even more of a slam dunk in the stolen US election. The Constitution says clearly that the method of election must be decided by state legislatures. In the swing states, the state legislatures rejected the mass mail-in voter fraud, so democrat governors (executive branch) or leftwing activist judges (judicial branch) forced it through. That is unconstitutional usurpation of the authority of the legislative branch, and renders the election null and void.

Regarding Nordstream 2, as the article I just posted explained, in 2020 Merkel was on the point of cancelling the pipeline due to Trump's pressure. She was clearly waiting to see the outcome of the 2020 election. Had Trump's victory not been stolen, he would have ramped up the pressure and there is no doubt that the pipeline would have been cancelled, Russia's wealth and influence would have been degraded, and tens of thousands of high-paying American jobs would have been created in the industry both for the Keystone pipeline and exports to Europe. Instead, former Vice-President Biden's handlers have given Russia enormous power and wealth, and destroyed thousands of American lives and communities.

Finally, electric cars: your mumbo-jumbo didn't answer the question of where the power will come from in the first place. Answer: Fossil fuels, because renewables are too inconsistent and lack inertia, which leads to massive power failures such as the nationwide blackout in the UK in August 2019. Secondly, it is impossible to store large amounts of power. Anyone telling you otherwise is talking silly fairytale nonsense to support a leftwing political agenda, which happens regularly.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2561993]a mob with gallows, zip ties, bombs, and foreign flags murdering police officers while sacking the Capital.[/QUOTE]Hilariously fake news. By "bombs" I guess you mean the couple of tiny "pipebombs" that probably couldn't have blown the top off a coke bottle which were found lying around somewhere, that the feds were never able to trace? So, no evidence who planted them. Which is itself a bit suspicious, given what we know about the bias of the federal government.

"Murdering police officers"? Nope. Sicknick was not hit by a fire extinguisher, and was fine when he spoke to his family after the protest. The only murder was by a federal official of an unarmed veteran protester, Ashli Babbitt. The murderer has not even been named, and has been allowed to go free without any charge whatsoever. It is the name Ashli Babbitt that will be remembered 100 years from now, long after the fake news has been swept away.

"Foreign flags"? Seriously? LOL.

"sacking the Capital" - HAHAHAHA! When a Capital is sacked, it is burned to the ground, destroyed, like the democrat voter base regularly does to city centres and federal buildings in Portland and elsewhere.

You really aren't even making an effort any more, are you?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2561751]As an experiment, try not posting for a full week and then report to us if you feel better or worse.[/QUOTE]As an experiment, try going to Leningrad for a week and finding the Russian agents you claim are writing websites which are actually based in the USA, then report back to us. Actually, make it a year.

[QUOTE=Canada;2561677]Obviously you never had a business or employed people so you think excess regulations and higher taxes will keep commodities cheap.[/QUOTE]Of course they didn't. The average democrat voter has never done any valuable work in their life. They got a degree in Gender Studies from the University of Clownworld, then tried desperately to get a makework government non-job as a "diversity coordinator" sucking on the taxpayer's teat, or creating worthless extra costs and headaches for corporations, which are passed onto the customer as higher prices and worse service. Failing that, they become a Starbucks barista or a NEET back home. That's how Soros can recruit so many of them for his antifa riots: they have nothing better to do.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2562044]1)Natty, you appear to be a willing sucker for the Social Issues that Repubs must rile up the electorate on to vote for since no sane person would ever support them for their consistent disastrous economic and foreign policy results.

2) You list some of the oldest and most densely populated cities in America with the most difficult to manage urban centers where violence is high but forget their now sprawling greater metropilitan areas of suburbs where crime is not a big problem. Those Dem Mayors manage those areas too.

3)Most Americans live in those metropolitan areas and blue states, by choice, and have relatively little interest in living in red states with more tumbleweeds, rattlesnakes and cactus than human beings no matter how fast Barney Fife is on the draw and crime is low as long as Aunt Bee doesn't shout "Bingo!" too loud at the next pot luck church dinner.

4) I am making light if it because I can only assume you were joking about Dem Mayors of some of the most important and economically influential cities on Earth leading the charge against the American Republic after what the world just witnessed "Law and Order" Repubs doing at the literal site and seat of it on January 6 and their pathetic attempt to re-write the history of it that should and hopefully will define their leadership and Party forever.[/QUOTE]1) Hi ET.

I consider your opening remark insulting, but it us your opinion to which I believe you are still entitled to so I will leave it at that, however, I will add that it inclines me to think that you don't have much experience conversing with people who you do not agree with you. But let's be real for 2 seconds: nobody riles up their electorate base more / better than race baiting lefties. You must be aware of this fact unless you are a complete partisan and can no longer separate the truth from party dogma.

2) No, they don't. The suburbs have their own mayors, budgets, school districts, and city councils. Although those suburbs which are unfortunately in the same counties as the large dysfunctional cities suffer under fiscal controls (taxation) and states like Illinois and Oregon are politically controlled by their urban centers. This is the reason parts of Oregon, CA, and Illinois are exploring ways to secede from their respective states and who can blame them.

3) I can't believe you wrote this Barney Fife BS. You must be high. Once upon a time people lived in these metropolitan areas by choice. That was when these cities were still functional and cultural centers. Things have changed since you moved to Thailand especially in the last few years. These cities are now lawless and falling apart. Many are bankrupt. That is why there is now an exodus away from these Dem controlled cities and states like CA, NY and IL. LOOK it UP if you don't believe me. And this trend has just begun. It will grow over the next few decades as the cities continue to decline in quality of life. So yeah, I would rather live in North Carolina, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma than New York, CA, or Illinois any day of the week. The only thing the later states have over the former ("Barney fife" states: I can't believe how arrogant your comment is) is better restaurants / better food.

4) Then you should not make assumptions. Don't make light of this. I am talking about the self- destruction of once great American cities. What Dem Mayors, in your opinion are doing a good job? De Blasio, Garcetti, Lightfoot, Kenney, Breed, Durkan, Bowser, Wheeler, Scott? Please try to defend any one of these buffoons. Give it your best shot and I will know you are not a serious person.

January 6, January 6, January 6. Trump, Trump, Trump. Is that all you guys can come up with? COME ON MAN! (that's a joke) No one on the conservative side is defending the right-wing morons who stormed the capital building. What we are pointing out is the utter hypocrisy of the left that always whitewashes, ignores, and in some cases even encourages left wing morons to destroy whole downtown areas. Seattle & Portland are never going to recover in our lifetime. Do you not understand this?

So what, Nancy Pelosi pissed in her panties on January 6 and to change her wet panties. That was about the only long-term permanent damage caused by these right-wing morons. If you can't acknowledge the hypocrisy here and call out the left-wing thugs for what they are, then there is no common ground between us. Is that serious enough for you?

Lastly, you have chosen to live in BKK. Smart move! You would be out of your mind to come back to the USA.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2562161]As an experiment, try going to Leningrad for a week and finding the Russian agents you claim are writing websites which are actually based in the USA, then report back to us. Actually, make it a year.[/QUOTE]Easy enough to find them:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2562158][b]There was ample evidence that the election was both stolen and unconstitutional. Pallets full of hundreds of thousands of ballots, 96% for Biden, showing up at 6 am in just the number required to overturn Trump's massive lead is laughably obvious fraud.[/b] deleted[/QUOTE]If you have all this proof, why has no court accepted it? Why has no Trump lawsuit alleged fraud? If you have all this proof, why haven't you sent it to Florida? Hey, I have proof that the moon is made out of cheese, too. I'll show you my evidence when Donnie wins his first fraud lawsuit.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2562214]Easy enough to find them:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency[/URL][/QUOTE]"Pathological lying is a possible symptom of certain personality disorders, including:

- borderline personality disorder (BPD).

- narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

- ant*ial personality disorder (APD).

BPD is a condition that makes it difficult for a person to regulate their emotions. People with BPD may experience severe mood swings, feel greater instability and insecurity, and not have a stable sense of self.

The hallmarks of NPD are fantasies of immense importance and the need for admiration and special treatment.

Researchers argue that while pathological lying may, in theory, occur in people with APD, those with this condition often lie for personal gain or pleasure.

[B]A person with BPD or NPD may lie to distort reality into something that fits with the emotions that they are feeling, rather than the facts.[/B]".

Here we go!

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/pathological-liars[/URL]#causes.

NB: Why does anti s o cial get bleeped, LOL?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2562214]Easy enough to find them:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency[/URL][/QUOTE]The actual evidence for any of that fake news? A Buzzfeed article. Yes, an article on a cat blog. LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562202]1) Hi ET.

I consider your opening remark insulting, but it us your opinion to which I believe you are still entitled to so I will leave it at that, however, I will add that it inclines me to think that you don't have much experience conversing with people who you do not agree with you. But let's be real for 2 seconds: nobody riles up their electorate base more / better than race baiting lefties. You must be aware of this fact unless you are a complete partisan and can no longer separate the truth from party dogma.

2) No, they don't. The suburbs have their own mayors, budgets, school districts, and city councils. Although those suburbs which are unfortunately in the same counties as the large dysfunctional cities suffer under fiscal controls (taxation) and states like Illinois and Oregon are politically controlled by their urban centers. This is the reason parts of Oregon, CA, and Illinois are exploring ways to secede from their respective states and who can blame them.

3) I can't believe you wrote this Barney Fife BS. You must be high. Once upon a time people lived in these metropolitan areas by choice. That was when these cities were still functional and cultural centers. Things have changed since you moved to Thailand especially in the last few years. These cities are now lawless and falling apart. Many are bankrupt. That is why there is now an exodus away from these Dem controlled cities and states like CA, NY and IL. LOOK it UP if you don't believe me. And this trend has just begun. It will grow over the next few decades as the cities continue to decline in quality of life. So yeah, I would rather live in North Carolina, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma than New York, CA, or Illinois any day of the week. The only thing the later states have over the former ("Barney fife" states: I can't believe how arrogant your comment is) is better restaurants / better food.

4) Then you should not make assumptions. Don't make light of this. I am talking about the self- destruction of once great American cities. What Dem Mayors, in your opinion are doing a good job? De Blasio, Garcetti, Lightfoot, Kenney, Breed, Durkan, Bowser, Wheeler, Scott? Please try to defend any one of these buffoons. Give it your best shot and I will know you are not a serious person.[/QUOTE]1) Hi Natty.

Race-baiting has been the first and favorite method of choice for Repub candidate presidential runs since Nixon and Lee Atwater created their Party's "Southern Strategy." It was fully embraced and exploited by every Repub candidate since Ford, from Reagan to Trump.

2) The greater metropolitan areas with different mayors around most big blue cities in big blue states are also likely to be Dems. I guarantee you it is a much harder job to be Mayor of Chicago than a Senator of Nebraska. Repubs being by nature deadbeats would not likely choose the former over the latter.

3) 18% of the country votes for some 52% of Congress. Outlaw gerrymandering, set the number of Senate seats by population instead of by square miles of empty space between State border lines, dump the racist origin Electoral College system and we would never see a Repub president, a Repub-controlled House or Senate or therefore a Great Repub Crash and Depression/Recession again. Then we can start getting things done with our tax dollars that the vast majority of Americans want done.

There is no reason for comparatively desolate states like the two Dakota territories to have FOUR Senators, TWICE as many votes in the Senate as a real state like California. Wyoming has only marginally more ordinary citizens living in that state as they have elected officials in the House and Senate! That is ridiculous even though some of those elected officials are occasionally Dems.

4) January 6th was a culmination of Trumpism that began its March to Anti-American sedition and insurrection at least since Trump's ride down the escalator. I would argue Anti-American style "Trumpism" began with the Reagan war whoop against America, "...government is not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem." Trump merely rode that escalator down to join what he well knew was already the Party in Waiting for his intended insurrection march that culminated on January 6th.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2562259]"Pathological lying is a possible symptom of certain personality disorders, including:

- borderline personality disorder (BPD).

- narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

- ant*ial personality disorder (APD).

BPD is a condition that makes it difficult for a person to regulate their emotions. People with BPD may experience severe mood swings, feel greater instability and insecurity, and not have a stable sense of self.

The hallmarks of NPD are fantasies of immense importance and the need for admiration and special treatment.

Researchers argue that while pathological lying may, in theory, occur in people with APD, those with this condition often lie for personal gain or pleasure.

[B]A person with BPD or NPD may lie to distort reality into something that fits with the emotions that they are feeling, rather than the facts.[/B]".

Here we go!

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/pathological-liars[/URL]#causes.

NB: Why does anti s o cial get bleeped, LOL?[/QUOTE]I am proud of both of you going to get professional help for your Pathological lying and personality disorders. It is a step in the right direction. Hopefully treatment will cure both of you so you can post some honest information on Biden failures.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2562163]Of course they didn't. The average democrat voter has never done any valuable work in their life. They got a degree in Gender Studies from the University of Clownworld, then tried desperately to get a makework government non-job as a "diversity coordinator" sucking on the taxpayer's teat, or creating worthless extra costs and headaches for corporations, which are passed onto the customer as higher prices and worse service. Failing that, they become a Starbucks barista or a NEET back home. That's how Soros can recruit so many of them for his antifa riots: they have nothing better to do.[/QUOTE]Agreed. And fortunately they are the ones the suffer the most in Biden presidency.

[QUOTE=Canada;2562304]I am proud of both of you going to get professional help for your Pathological lying and personality disorders. It is a step in the right direction. Hopefully treatment will cure both of you so you can post some honest information on Biden failures.[/QUOTE]It will take years of intense, deep impact counseling and shock treatment to cure these misguided miscreants aka democrats. Years! A full frontal lobotomy is recommended.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2562300]1) Hi Natty.

Race-baiting has been the first and favorite method of choice for Repub candidate presidential runs since Nixon and Lee Atwater created their Party's "Southern Strategy." It was fully embraced and exploited by every Repub candidate since Ford, from Reagan to Trump.

2) The greater metropolitan areas with different mayors around most big blue cities in big blue states are also likely to be Dems. I guarantee you it is a much harder job to be Mayor of Chicago than a Senator of Nebraska. Repubs being by nature deadbeats would not likely choose the former over the latter.

3) 18% of the country votes for some 52% of Congress. Outlaw gerrymandering, set the number of Senate seats by population instead of by square miles of empty space between State border lines, dump the racist origin Electoral College system and we would never see a Repub president, a Repub-controlled House or Senate or therefore a Great Repub Crash and Depression/Recession again. Then we can start getting things done with our tax dollars that the vast majority of Americans want done.

There is no reason for comparatively desolate states like the two Dakota territories to have FOUR Senators, TWICE as many votes in the Senate as a real state like California. Wyoming has only marginally more ordinary citizens living in that state as they have elected officials in the House and Senate! That is ridiculous even though some of those elected officials are occasionally Dems.[/QUOTE]Race pandering has been the first and favorite method of choice for Dem candidate presidential runs -- from Clinton talking black churches burning to running corporate approved characters like Barry and Camela.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562202]So what, Nancy Pelosi pissed in her panties on January 6 and to change her wet panties. That was about the only long-term permanent damage caused by these right-wing morons. [/QUOTE]The families of the slain police officers would surely take issue with that, irrespective of any political affiliation or your desire to see Pelosi suffer. And you are among these "right-wing morons" as you support their causes, the stolen election lies, their white victimization, their "they are coming in black helicopters to take our guns" nonsense, whining about socialism while enjoying their Social Security, Medicare, and student loans, etc. And above we see yet another laughable attempt to downplay the events of 1/6, a date that will remain infamous for at least as long as 9/11. This all proves you as with a head full of wingnut propaganda, are part of the team, and very much part of the problem. And it's a problem that most Americans want to continue to see disempowered at the national level.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2562300]set the number of Senate seats by population instead of by square miles of empty space between State border lines
There is no reason for comparatively desolate states like the two Dakota territories to have FOUR Senators, TWICE as many votes in the Senate as a real state like California. Wyoming has only marginally more ordinary citizens living in that state as they have elected officials in the House and Senate!.[/QUOTE]You make the common mistake of believing elected Senators represent 'population'. They don't. They mediate between the interests in their territories. Wyoming and the Dakotas, to use your examples, have mineral resources, gas and oil, public lands, aquifiers probably -- commodities all more valuable to corporate interests than human resources, which are a replaceable hindrance to them, at best.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2562319]Race pandering has been the first and favorite method of choice for Dem candidate presidential runs -- from Clinton talking black churches burning to running corporate approved characters like Barry and Camela.[/QUOTE]It was nice of the Republican Party campaign strategists to finally admit their consistent race-baiting to win votes. But it hasn't stopped them from continuing to do it over and over again, relying on it to, at best for them, squeeze out mostly narrow Electoral College wins despite majority vote losses.

[b]RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes[/b]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2005/07/14/rnc-chief-to-say-it-was-wrong-to-exploit-racial-conflict-for-votes/66889840-8d59-44e1-8784-5c9b9ae85499/
[quote]It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was wrong.

"By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
[/quote]

Do a Google search and you'll find Nixon's campaign campaign strategist, Lee Atwater, admitting it as well. Reagan, Bush1, Bush2, Trump, they all followed that strategy. They had to unless they were going to run and try to win on their Party's actual consistent economic and foreign policy results. Lol. And they know there is no way they could ever do that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2562358]Do a Google search and you'll find Nixon's campaign campaign strategist, Lee Atwater, admitting it as well. Reagan, Bush1, Bush2, Trump, they all followed that strategy. They had to unless they were going to run on their Party's consistent economic and foreign policy results. Lol. And no way they could do that.[/QUOTE]Southern strategy yes, but the defining moment was 1964 with the nomination of Barry Goldwater for president. Look at the electoral college map. Ha Ha.

[URL]https://www.270towin.com/1964_Election/interactive_map[/URL]

It was here that the Repubs completely turned their backs on their historic commitment to Civil Rights and have never looked back. That's in spite of Bob Dole's speech at the '96 RNC where he told the bigots to hit the door claiming they were "the Party of Lincoln." Sounds good but that horse had long left the stable and his sentiments got him nowhere. And yes you are correct in that this strategy became most toxic in Trump reaching the crescendo on January 6th. And of course it continues, with the blacks and browns stole the election nonsense that no judge takes seriously, the "Democratic cities" race baiting when, as has been repeatedly demonstrated is largely reflective of the urban drug trade and gang warfare. Such goes back to the early 19th century in the US mostly with the Irish then the Italians in the 20's. Many born into poverty look for alternative ways to prosper and Caucasians have taken that road as well. There were no easy answers to these phenomenon back in the 1840's nor in the 20's, same as now though they give white bigots opportunities to race bait, just as the Irish and Italians were targeted in the past. And don't forget about the Jew baiters of which we've had a few here roaming about, and which represents the bottom of the food chain.

P.S. Here's another point that is continually ignored here, that according to an October 2020 DHS report, White Supremacists represent our deadliest domestic terrorist. Now that is one shithole that needs to be cleaned up. And in spite of all the posturing for ratings on Tucker Carlson Tonight, Antifa isn't even mentioned.

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/deadly-domestic-extremism-worst-in-25-years-fbi-white-supremacists_n_60a0591ae4b03e1dd38a5b4e[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2562358]It was nice of the Republican Party campaign strategists to finally admit their consistent race-baiting to win votes.
Do a Google search and you'll find Nixon's campaign campaign strategist, Lee Atwater, admitting it as well. Reagan, Bush1, Bush2, Trump, they all followed that strategy. They had to unless they were going to run and try to win on their Party's actual consistent economic and foreign policy results.[/QUOTE]What are you scribbling about Lee Atwater? He was like in junior high school when the 1968 campaigns were formulating. The racial shift in Party allegiance sea change had been cast with the 1954 Court Decision. This is well-understood. For details, see what Pat Buchanan among others have long ago written about it.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2562374]Southern strategy yes, but the defining moment was 1964 with the nomination of Barry Goldwater for president. Look at the electoral college map. Ha Ha.

[URL]https://www.270towin.com/1964_Election/interactive_map[/URL]

It was here that the Repubs completely turned their backs on their historic commitment to Civil Rights and have never looked back. That's in spite of Bob Dole's speech at the '96 RNC where he told the bigots to hit the door claiming they were "the Party of Lincoln." Sounds good but that horse had long left the stable and his sentiments got him nowhere. And yes you are correct in that this strategy became most toxic in Trump reaching the crescendo on January 6th. And of course it continues, with the blacks and browns stole the election nonsense that no judge takes seriously, the "Democratic cities" race baiting when, as has been repeatedly demonstrated is largely reflective of the urban drug trade and gang warfare. Such goes back to the early 19th century in the US mostly with the Irish then the Italians in the 20's. Many born into poverty look for alternative ways to prosper and Caucasians have taken that road as well. There were no easy answers to these phenomenon back in the 1840's nor in the 20's, same as now though they give white bigots opportunities to race bait, just as the Irish and Italians were targeted in the past. And don't forget about the Jew baiters of which we've had a few here roaming about, and which represents the bottom of the food chain.

P.S. Here's another point that is continually ignored here, that according to an October 2020 DHS report, White Supremacists represent our deadliest domestic terrorist. Now that is one shithole that needs to be cleaned up. And in spite of all the posturing for ratings on Tucker Carlson Tonight, Antifa isn't even mentioned.

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/deadly-domestic-extremism-worst-in-25-years-fbi-white-supremacists_n_60a0591ae4b03e1dd38a5b4e[/URL][/QUOTE]I love when Republicans who, BTW, are supremely ignorant of history, rant about "antifa".

They refuse to believe that they are, for the most part, fascists and they forget that if their father or grandfather fought in WWII, they were "antifa".

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2562591]I love when Republicans who, BTW, are supremely ignorant of history, rant about "antifa".

They refuse to believe that they are, for the most part, fascists and they forget that if their father or grandfather fought in WWII, they were "antifa".[/QUOTE]This post proves no common sense and you can't fix stupid. The grandfathers who fought in World War II weren't anti America terrorists like antifa.

[QUOTE=Canada;2562678]This post proves no common sense and you can't fix stupid. The grandfathers who fought in World War II weren't anti America terrorists like antifa.[/QUOTE]Especially your kind of stupid. It's an especially toxic variety.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2562374]Southern strategy yes, but the defining moment was 1964 with the nomination of Barry Goldwater for president. Look at the electoral college map. Ha Ha.

[URL]https://www.270towin.com/1964_Election/interactive_map[/URL]

It was here that the Repubs completely turned their backs on their historic commitment to Civil Rights and have never looked back. That's in spite of Bob Dole's speech at the '96 RNC where he told the bigots to hit the door claiming they were "the Party of Lincoln." Sounds good but that horse had long left the stable and his sentiments got him nowhere. And yes you are correct in that this strategy became most toxic in Trump reaching the crescendo on January 6th. And of course it continues, with the blacks and browns stole the election nonsense that no judge takes seriously, the "Democratic cities" race baiting when, as has been repeatedly demonstrated is largely reflective of the urban drug trade and gang warfare. Such goes back to the early 19th century in the US mostly with the Irish then the Italians in the 20's. Many born into poverty look for alternative ways to prosper and Caucasians have taken that road as well. There were no easy answers to these phenomenon back in the 1840's nor in the 20's, same as now though they give white bigots opportunities to race bait, just as the Irish and Italians were targeted in the past. And don't forget about the Jew baiters of which we've had a few here roaming about, and which represents the bottom of the food chain.

P.S. Here's another point that is continually ignored here, that according to an October 2020 DHS report, White Supremacists represent our deadliest domestic terrorist. Now that is one shithole that needs to be cleaned up. And in spite of all the posturing for ratings on Tucker Carlson Tonight, Antifa isn't even mentioned.

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/deadly-domestic-extremism-worst-in-25-years-fbi-white-supremacists_n_60a0591ae4b03e1dd38a5b4e[/URL][/QUOTE]The Southern Strategy comes from Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat party in the Election of 1948. It wasn't revived until Nixon ran in 1968. The issues with the defections at the Democratic National Convention are a separate issue than the Southern Strategy, though George Wallace had a good run with it.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2562461]What are you scribbling about Lee Atwater? He was like in junior high school when the 1968 campaigns were formulating. The racial shift in Party allegiance sea change had been cast with the 1954 Court Decision. This is well-understood. For details, see what Pat Buchanan among others have long ago written about it.[/QUOTE]The division happens in 1948 when Strom Thurmond formed the Dixiecrat party.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2562358]It was nice of the Republican Party campaign strategists to finally admit their consistent race-baiting to win votes. But it hasn't stopped them from continuing to do it over and over again, relying on it to, at best for them, squeeze out mostly narrow Electoral College wins despite majority vote losses.

[b]RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes[/b]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2005/07/14/rnc-chief-to-say-it-was-wrong-to-exploit-racial-conflict-for-votes/66889840-8d59-44e1-8784-5c9b9ae85499/


Do a Google search and you'll find Nixon's campaign campaign strategist, Lee Atwater, admitting it as well. Reagan, Bush1, Bush2, Trump, they all followed that strategy. They had to unless they were going to run and try to win on their Party's actual consistent economic and foreign policy results. Lol. And they know there is no way they could ever do that.[/QUOTE]Nixon's long-time political strategist was a guy named Murray Chotiner. Otherwise, everything in the Nixon camp was run by HR Halderman. Lee Atwater was George HW Bush. Reagan had Roger Ailes, who went on to make FoxNews what it is today.

Don't try to teach history unless you know WTF you're talking about.

[QUOTE=Canada;2562678]This post proves no common sense and you can't fix stupid. The grandfathers who fought in World War II weren't anti America terrorists like antifa.[/QUOTE]The only people who believe that antifa are anti American are fascists.

Fascists hate democracy. Just like trump supporters (let's restrict the vote).

Fascists hate liberals. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists love totalitarian. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists love the wealthy. Just like trump supporters (trickle-down economics).

Fascists love the corporations. Just like trump supporters (trump 'tax cuts'.

Fascists love the military values. Just like trump supporters (don't rock the boat).

Fascists believe in one, all powerful cult-like leader. Just like trump supporters (duh).

Fascists love violence. Just like trump supporters (let's run over peaceful protesters like in Charlottesville).

Fascists love blaming others when things go wrong. Just like trump supporters (re: every trump speech).

Fascists hate intelligence. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists hate large cities. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists are misogynists. Just like trump supporters.

For some glaringly obvious reasons the leftist on this forum and in the corporate media prefer to talk about the racism of 60 to 70 years ago ignoring the fact that the Democrat Party was the party of Slavery and Jim Crow. Fine. I do not give a fuck.

But what bothers me and should concern all Americans, is the racist and totalitarian policies now endorsed and being implemented by todays Democrat Party and their lackeys.

Anybody remember Martin Luther King Jr's,"I have a Dream" speech? I do. Here is the most relevant part: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Yes, that is something worth remembering and defending. It is really a crime that this idea is now dead in the National Democratic Party. Dead! Because everything in the new radical, fascist Democratic Party is about race. And everyone, everything is now defined in this new world order by his or her race. The radical Democrats have a lovely word for it. (They always come up with fine sounding words to describe their despicable actions and ideologies.) They call it Equity. So down with Equality. Equality is racist. Up with Equity. And if you disagree with this, well you guessed it, you are branded a racist.

So, let's get real. Any of you leftist here want to defend Critical Race Theory (CRT) and the forced indoctrination of this modern left wing racism on innocent children (Black, White, Asian, Latino) in grade schools? Martin Luther King's dream of a colorblind society is dead in the Democratic Party. This is racism in America today.

And oh yeah, black lives do not matter in the USA unless some moron gets himself killed by a white cop while resisting arrest. The daily slaughter of black citizens in every major American city (all run by the Democratic Party Machine for the last 50 to 75 years) by black criminals; that is never mentioned in the Democratic Party and no Democrat Politician, black or white, gives a shit. That is racism in America today.

But go on boys, keep talking about those "racist" Republicans of 50 years ago. Or better yet, let's get back to Trump Trump Trump. Russia Russia Russia. That something you can handle.

Maybe this belongs more in a politics thread -- American politics or Brazilian politics -- but frankly, bolsonaro has gotten it right, and I am f'ing glad he is president of the country I have lived in since Covid started.

The man rides a bike. He's the real military man that Trump wanted to be.

He beat Covid himself.

The cure for this flu like "killer" is to go swim in the ocean and get sun at the beach and have a healthy diet to support an immune system.

The state is not supposed to be your nanny, your nurse, your boss, though the puritan eco green control freaks of north America and other rich world countries think it should be.

We have Brazil to thank for 8 dollar pussy in a world gone fucking crazy.

Vagabundo,

I just have to say, after having spent 5 weeks in SP & RJ (limited time I know) that I think racial relations in Brazil seemed to be much better / healthier than current racial relations in the USA. It was not always this way, but as of right now, I think that Brazil has much better and more sane relations.

I don't like to talk local politics when I am in a foreign country as a visitor, but the few Brazilians that expressed their political views to me, said they disliked Bolsonaro. I am pretty sure the main reason for their displeasure is Covid, but I am no expert on Brazilian politics. Me, I kind of like the guy for the reasons you posted however. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]For some glaringly obvious reasons the leftist on this forum and in the corporate media prefer to talk about the racism of 60 to 70 years ago ignoring the fact that the Democrat Party was the party of Slavery and Jim Crow. Fine. I do not give a fuck.

But what bothers me and should concern all Americans, is the racist and totalitarian policies now endorsed and being implemented by todays Democrat Party and their lackeys.

Anybody remember Martin Luther King Jr's,"I have a Dream" speech? I do. Here is the most relevant part: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Yes, that is something worth remembering and defending. It is really a crime that this idea is now dead in the National Democratic Party. Dead! Because everything in the new radical, fascist Democratic Party is about race. And everyone, everything is now defined in this new world order by his or her race. The radical Democrats have a lovely word for it. (They always come up with fine sounding words to describe their despicable actions and ideologies.) They call it Equity. So down with Equality. Equality is racist. Up with Equity.[/QUOTE]Here's the problem with your "Critical Race Theory" rant. You aren't black.

When I attended Real Estate school, we had several sessions on "racism". It was all related to Real Estate, obviously, but it was interesting to see how "out of touch" the mostly white class was about what constituted "racism". There were one or two black students and they got every nuance correct whereas the white students got even the basics wrong.

What I learned from that experience was that most white folks don't have a clue about what racism is, primarily because they don't have to live with it every minute of every day. This, of course, is complicated by the fact that most Republicans believe that racism is BS. If Republicans had their way, only white folks would vote. Well, maybe a few black folks too, but only those who owned a business.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2562827]Maybe this belongs more in a politics thread -- American politics or Brazilian politics -- but frankly, bolsonaro has gotten it right, and I am f'ing glad he is president of the country I have lived in since Covid started.

The man rides a bike. He's the real military man that Trump wanted to be.

He beat Covid himself.

The cure for this flu like "killer" is to go swim in the ocean and get sun at the beach and have a healthy diet to support an immune system.

The state is not supposed to be your nanny, your nurse, your boss, though the puritan eco green control freaks of north America and other rich world countries think it should be.

We have Brazil to thank for 8 dollar pussy in a world gone fucking crazy.[/QUOTE]Brazil has 2,100+ deaths per million population, 11th worst in the world. The actual COVID death toll is likely much higher since many victims died at home.

There were 3 moronic "let's downplay this" world leaders, Donnie, Bolsonaro and AMLO (Mexico). All 3 of them screwed it up and all 3 of them got mild COVID and lived. Boris Johnson damned near died when he got COVID and became a believer. The others are stupid.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]For some glaringly obvious reasons the leftist on this forum and in the corporate media prefer to talk about the racism of 60 to 70 years ago ignoring the fact that the Democrat Party was the party of Slavery and Jim Crow. Fine. I do not give a fuck.[/QUOTE]That's completely irrelevant. Your crowd isn't lining up to support Democrats today, and haven't in a very long time. The Repubs took up your cause in '64 with the nomination of Barry Goldwater and haven't looked back, all the way through to January 6 and to now. Reminds me of that buffoon Jeffrey Lord, his only claim to fame is to have been an errand boy in the Reagan administration. He was the token wingnut on CNN panels for about a year and was regularly laughed off the stage with that argument. But yea, just more of the same, whataboutism, like what some Democrats did 100 years ago has anything to do with the present political climate. And you have one huge one to explain, January 6th, and are getting more and more shrill trying to do so. Keep Squirming while we keep sticking it in your face. Wink.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2562681]The Southern Strategy comes from Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat party in the Election of 1948. It wasn't revived until Nixon ran in 1968. The issues with the defections at the Democratic National Convention are a separate issue than the Southern Strategy, though George Wallace had a good run with it.[/QUOTE]Goldwater ran on a state's right platform to woo southern segregationists. It was a new Republican Party from that point forward. You have a point about Thurmond as a precursor, but when it comes to the Repubs and national politics it begins with Goldwater.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/07/26/what-we-get-wrong-about-southern-strategy/[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812] the corporate media[/QUOTE]The guy still hasn't figured out that Fox News is part of a large corporation, as are a number of other conservative media outlets. But fuck, we can't let truth get in the way wingnut social media talking points. Wink.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2562827]The man rides a bike. He's the real military man that Trump wanted to be.

He beat Covid himself.

The state is not supposed to be your nanny, your nurse, your boss, though the puritan eco green control freaks of north America and other rich world countries think it should be.

We have Brazil to thank for 8 dollar pussy in a world gone fucking crazy.[/QUOTE]1. Last first - $8 pussy is a pretty good indictment of him being a failure. If the country was successful the pussy would be a lot more expensive.

2. If you like being in the military so much go and enlist and spend the rest of your life in the military. Go live in a tent and use a long drop on a freezing cold night for a few years and tell us again how great the military is /.

3. So what if he beat Covid, 98% do, though many have some pretty nasty after affects if the survive, like strokes, amputations, permanent lung damage, but why worry about any of that! What ignorant such as yourself ignore is that it is not staying the same or going away due to wishful thinking such as sun, diet etc. It is mutating, South African, Indian, Brazilian variants. India thought it had it beat and are now in crisis. Beating it by good policy and getting rid of it is the best option, not letting it mutate into something more contagious and deadly is just stupidity.

4. Democracy is a system that allows all members of society to have freedoms and benefits. It allows societal cohesion to concentrate on improving the common good rather than waste resources trying to keep incompetents in power such as monachies, oligarchies and military dictatorships which you clearly favour. Ultimately these systems collapse into civil war. If Trump was even remotely competent he would have retained power rather than being tossed out for the joke he was.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2562990] If Trump was even remotely competent he would have retained power rather than being tossed out for the joke he was.[/QUOTE]That's the bottom line, or where the rubber meets the road as some like to say.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2562461]What are you scribbling about Lee Atwater? He was like in junior high school when the 1968 campaigns were formulating. The racial shift in Party allegiance sea change had been cast with the 1954 Court Decision. This is well-understood. For details, see what Pat Buchanan among others have long ago written about it.[/QUOTE]You're right. My bad. There have been so many race-baiting Republican Party campaign strategists playing on that sucker social issue to con the American electorate into voting for their consistently failed economic agenda at least since Nixon and right up to Trump I got Atwater's timeline mixed up.

But his admission about how Republicans used to do it more blatantly, by whatever name they called it, until he came along to do it in slightly more subtle ways to accomplish the exact same thing as his predecessors shows how interchangeable those strategists were anyway.

The next Republican presidental candidate will have a new strategist employing the same strategy regardless what his or her name is or what they call the strategy. That is, unless their latest strategy of simply making it harder for minorities in the big cities and typical Dem areas to vote or have their vote count anyway is so successful in the future there is no reason for them to hire a strategist, say anything or campaign at all.

First, first: 8 dollar pussy is in fact a sign of the highest level of social development. Putting the fem dom whack jobs in charge is on the way to destroying the USA. But you seem happy with it, eh?

I won't take the bait to respond in detail on the military. I can't even understand your statement about "long drop. " Obviously, you've spent some time in uniform? (I doubt it).

People die. Age, obesity are always compounding factors. Covid is a excuse for social control by the leftist whack jobs. But go ahead, give away your freedom so the so called leaders can control your life. I am a Joe Rogan dude, I basically subscribe to his approach which has lead him to leave the worst environment in the US.

The left's "win" in 2020 is not going to do them much good. It is already backfiring.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2562990]1. Last first - $8 pussy is a pretty good indictment of him being a failure. If the country was successful the pussy would be a lot more expensive.

2. If you like being in the military so much go and enlist and spend the rest of your life in the military. Go live in a tent and use a long drop on a freezing cold night for a few years and tell us again how great the military is /.

3. So what if he beat Covid, 98% do, though many have some pretty nasty after affects if the survive, like strokes, amputations, permanent lung damage, but why worry about any of that! What ignorant such as yourself ignore is that it is not staying the same or going away due to wishful thinking such as sun, diet etc. It is mutating, South African, Indian, Brazilian variants. India thought it had it beat and are now in crisis. Beating it by good policy and getting rid of it is the best option, not letting it mutate into something more contagious and deadly is just stupidity.

4. Democracy is a system that allows all members of society to have freedoms and benefits. It allows societal cohesion to concentrate on improving the common good rather than waste resources trying to keep incompetents in power such as monachies, oligarchies and military dictatorships which you clearly favour. Ultimately these systems collapse into civil war. If Trump was even remotely competent he would have retained power rather than being tossed out for the joke he was.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562202]January 6, January 6, January 6. Trump, Trump, Trump. Is that all you guys can come up with? COME ON MAN! [/QUOTE]That's quite a lot man, to say the least. In fact it was enough to make your guy a one term president plus win back the House and Senate inside of four years, all collectively for the first time since Hoover. And that's all without January 6th which will live in infamy centuries after your desperate whataboutisms have long been forgotten. That's just how it is.

P.S. The cap key and overuse of exclamation marks never help an argument. They only make you look desperate, which you are, but why show your hand?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2562899]Here's the problem with your "Critical Race Theory" rant. You aren't black.
[/QUOTE]That's it? That's all you got. "I am not Black. " That is racist. Do you even know what Critical Race Theory is?

But fuck me. I can't believe I didn't see it until now. Tonight, I finally became curious and suspicious about you, so I went back over most your posting history all the way to 8/11/2019 covering 125 of your total 198 posts on ISG and guess what? Although you know already what I am going to report: You have not made 1 worthwhile contribution on the subject of girls and sex!

So, I am calling you out. You are not a monger like the rest of us. You are a political troll! A political plant / troublemaker.

Here are the facts: out of 125 posts I found only 1 that even mentioned a girl and only 3 posts that were not political, but those 3 contained no information about "our" hobby. The rest of your posts dated from 8/11/2019 to the present are all political leftwing diatribes and arguments. You have had a few posts in the Colombia thread that have been deleted for their argumentative nature and I think a couple more likewise in the Mexico thread. By my count, therefore, since August 2019 you have posted 118 times out of the total of 125 posts in this thread and only this thread. All highly opinionated and argumentative. Many of your posts are just insulting.

The only reason you come here is to argue and cause dissension. I feel sorry for you, but at the same time, I have no respect for you. You are a Troll!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2563001]You're right. My bad. There have been so many race-baiting Republican Party campaign strategists playing on that sucker social issue to con the American electorate into voting for their consistently failed economic agenda at least since Nixon and right up to Trump I got Atwater's timeline mixed up.

But his admission about how Republicans used to do it more blatantly, by whatever name they called it, until he came along to do it in slightly more subtle ways to accomplish the exact same thing as his predecessors shows how interchangeable those strategists were anyway.

The next Republican presidental candidate will have a new strategist employing the same strategy regardless what his or her name is or what they call the strategy. That is, unless their latest strategy of simply making it harder for minorities in the big cities and typical Dem areas to vote or have their vote count anyway is so successful in the future there is no reason for them to hire a strategist, say anything or campaign at all.[/QUOTE]The 'strategy' has used (and now uses) race as an ancillary. Prior to the period in question, Democrats were seen as the Party of the working man, and Republicans the Party of the Country Club class. Replacing class consciousness with racial consciousness, or identity, or even outright racism is a desirable outcome for precluding development of a revolutionary outlook, the potential fatal threat to the capitalist system. The political game in America, as has been noted many times, is played between the forty-yard lines.

Race in America such as it is emerged from a convergence of specific historical factors. And, yes consanguinity is in various ways hardwired into human ethnic groups. Yet neither explains in and of itself the peculiar dynamic of Race in America.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2562244]If you have all this proof, why has no court accepted it? Why has no Trump lawsuit alleged fraud? If you have all this proof, why haven't you sent it to Florida? Hey, I have proof that the moon is made out of cheese, too. I'll show you my evidence when Donnie wins his first fraud lawsuit.[/QUOTE]And is just more of the same race baiting, the false accusation that the blacks and browns stole the election. Then these guys claim they aren't racist, though the strategic continuity is clear. And the reason Trump was ahead on election night is because mail in ballots were counted last, per procedure. Everyone knows this, yet the same fallacies are repeated over and over, by Trump and the suckers he soaked for donations with the "stop the steal" movement. C'est La Vie.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]I did not violate Godwin's Law....Whenever anyone says something contrary to the Left's Orthodoxy they are accused of being racist.[/QUOTE]Yes you violated Godwin's Law as you've been in here squawking like Chicken Little for a month now, all while our country is trucking along fine without your guy's authoritarianism, stolen election lies, intimidation of election officials, incitements to violence, childish insults, overt racism, grifts, Nativism, Isolationism, Covid denialism, and late night tweets. It is your crowd that has wanted to shut down the discussion while attempting to overturn a election through dishonesty, corruption and force, and you call others Nazis? Yes, the whole practice of denying systemic racism, falsely accusing blacks and browns of stealing an election, going on about predominantly black urban areas in the matter of drug related crimes when whites were involved in the same in earlier periods of our history, voter suppression, is racist, and in the present context, often whataboutism. Ultimately everyone had their say and your side lost. Had it gone the other way I'm sure you'd be swaggering around with a very different demeanor.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]You call the 2021 ("Summer of Love") rioting peaceful!.[/QUOTE]This is the first and surest sign of someone who has no argument, when he puts words in the mouths of his opponents. That is a caricature of what I said, and you know it. Recent BLM and otherwise race related protests have been largely peaceful. As is often the case there have been opportunists around the fringes, looting and the like. Articles were posted to demonstrate that very little of this activity has been linked to BLM members. And the Anarchists Antifa haven't killed anyone. Did Tucker Carlson tell you that? In fact when put against the extremists on your side of the spectrum over the last 25 years, the score is 329-0.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7[/URL]

Not to mention that it's your guys that, according to Trump's DHS, represent our greatest domestic terrorist threat. Antifa didn't even make the report. Did Tucker or Hannity ever tell you that? Because the point is, in spite of all your crying about "the corporate media," you are feasting on some extremely slanted material from the corporations you deem reliable. If you want to get at the truth you have to do a lot more looking around, even to some primary sources. But if you are just an ideologue playing Chicken Little on the internet, then you aren't worth anyone's time, aside from some in the audience that may benefit from the content of the rebuttals written to you.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]Yes there were arrests and then the authorities let everybody out of jail to riot again the next night.[/QUOTE]"Everybody?" and by "the next night?" Prove it. Link your source. We have this thing called bail in this country, as well as standards of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. As a result many cases are dropped or pled before trial. Also a lot of them were probably smart enough not to take selfies and brag about their crimes on Facebook or to girls they were trying to score with in dating apps, like the lower strata of the crowds you like to draw.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]Can you name left wing rioter who has been convicted of a crime and spent time in prison? [/QUOTE]I'm not doing all the work here. LOL You erect and knock down straw men, make a variety of claims without ever providing any sources. But go to Bing, search "Portland rioters sentenced" and you'll find at least one sent to prison and several felony cases that are open and working through the system. Go back at least two pages.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]I love how you appropriate of the phrase, "the corporate media" and try to reserve it solely for Fox. [/QUOTE]Huh? Lolol You whine about "the corporate media" while supporting corporate media. Not all corporate media entities are left leaning, obviously, thus you are so caught up in reciting the terminology or "buzz words" of your crowd that you don't stop to think. There's more to life than Fox, Breitbart, News Max, or whatever your social media feeds think you'll like to hear.

Your politics are a bit wobbly, buddy.

Didn't want to respond in the Rio thread 'cause we can do without distractions, but here goes.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2562827]Maybe this belongs more in a politics thread -- American politics or Brazilian politics -- but frankly, bolsonaro has gotten it right.[/QUOTE]Yes it does and no, he frankly hasn't. 450,000 dead souls beg to differ.

[QUOTE]The man rides a bike. He's the real military man that Trump wanted to be.[/QUOTE]Nah, I like people who hadn't served the military junta that killed or disappeared hundreds of dissidents.

[QUOTE]He beat Covid himself.[/QUOTE]Doctors didn't help? Not even a little?

[QUOTE]The cure for this flu like "killer" is to go swim in the ocean and get sun at the beach and have a healthy diet to support an immune system.[/QUOTE]Again, 450,000 dead souls beg to differ.

[QUOTE]The state is not supposed to be your nanny, your nurse, your boss, though the puritan eco green control freaks of north America and other rich world countries think it should be.[/QUOTE]What is state supposed to do then? Sit in a palace and act stately?

If the state isn't supposed to lead during a generational health crisis, I truly don't understand the function of the state. Or maybe you don't.

[QUOTE]We have Brazil to thank for 8 dollar pussy in a world gone fucking crazy.[/QUOTE]Here we go. Best for the last!

Now, you've got my standing ovations!

Seriously, no sarcasm.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2562990]1. Last first - $8 pussy is a pretty good indictment of him being a failure. If the country was successful the pussy would be a lot more expensive.[/QUOTE]True that!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]So, let's get real. Any of you leftist here want to defend Critical Race Theory (CRT) and the forced indoctrination of this modern left wing racism on innocent children (Black, White, Asian, Latino) in grade schools? Martin Luther King's dream of a colorblind society is dead in the Democratic Party. This is racism in America today. [/QUOTE]How about tell us about CRT, what all the curriculum contains. We do have a history in this country of placing certain stereotypes on blacks, as objects of scorn, jest, and inferiority, as this has been seen for ages in theater and pop culture. This all reinforces a white over black model. Examples? Minstrel shows, pickaninny tales, smiling black maids shaped as cookies jars and ash trays, and the many stereotypes that exist today, even the black criminal bit you claim to care about while ignoring that the vast majority are law abiding. I seriously doubt you know what CRT is, but show us that you do, tell us what you think is wrong with it, and most of all, cite sources. I can't emphasize that last point enough, given your propensity to make stuff up. And not surprisingly you misinterpret MLK. He was well aware that his I Have a Dream speech was a vision, an ideal. He also had a practical side and confronted racism head on. Read his book Why We Can't Wait for starters. Here's a brief explanation of CRT and the associated controversy.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/us/critical-race-theory-explainer-trnd/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]And oh yeah, black lives do not matter in the USA unless some moron gets himself killed by a white cop while resisting arrest. [/QUOTE]This is just gratuitous, and reflective of an angry guy lashing out. Personally I don't think you want any real discussion, or even any responses. You just want to type out lists, and vent your frustration here with loaded vitriol at the people you think are responsible for your unhappiness. Last I checked resisting arrest isn't a capital crime. And the only ones who can issue such an order would be a jury of 12. The evidence was heard and Chauvin was found guilty by a jury of his peers, and with many LE officers and specialists testifying against him.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]The daily slaughter of black citizens in every major American city (all run by the Democratic Party Machine for the last 50 to 75 years) by black criminals; that is never mentioned in the Democratic Party and no Democrat Politician, black or white, gives a shit. That is racism in America today.[/QUOTE]These are lies as Democrats discuss these matters quite often. The issues are complicated, just as they were when the Irish and Italians were heavily involved in criminal gangs. You aren't talking about that though as it doesn't suit your agenda, which is to attack blacks and Democrats. These also were marginalized groups, were stereotyped, and called epithets. Many Democrats focus on addressing racism, improving education, expanding opportunity, thus reducing poverty, and thus less motivation toward crime. Nonetheless the lure of easy money will always be there just as it was during Prohibition. That said, the vast majority of blacks are law abiding and hard working, and do not live in poverty. That's the whole picture, while your talking points are lies and half-truths that lead to false, politically expedient conclusions. Of course no one should be surprised by that.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]But go on boys, keep talking about those "racist" Republicans of 50 years ago.[/QUOTE]And this while you find relevance in the acts of Democrats during the slavery era? LOL It's back to the pot calling the kettle black, but I addressed that argument in another post. I came back for the above as I had some extra time. 50 years ago huh? Sadly the Repubs got a load of that going on in the here and now, which is covered in other posts. That especially holds true since Trump is holding the party hostage. And I'll add this, the more you forward these spurious arguments downplaying and denying racism, the more resistance you are going to encounter. That's just how it is. It's our country also, and we have votes and voices.

And Lula was better?

This is the wrong site for politics probably.

But yeah at least in Brazil Bolsanaro can be a normal guy, tell ugly women they are ugly and he wouldn't have sex with them, and laugh it off.

The point of American politics is you have to look at ugly women and like it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2563069]Seriously, no sarcasm.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2562972]The guy still hasn't figured out that Fox News is part of a large corporation, as are a number of other conservative media outlets. But fuck, we can't let truth get in the way wingnut social media talking points. Wink.[/QUOTE]Hey Paulie,

Thanks for taking what I said out of context and distorting my point intentionally. But that is what you do. You & PVMonger.

I have gone back and skimmed through your last 200 out of 294 total posts and guess what? Just like with PVMonger's posts, there is not 1 post written by you about girls, picking up girls, or shagging girls. Not one! 98% of your posts are political and argumentative whether posted in this thread or the Colombia thread or the FKK Club thread. Approximately 2% of your posts are non-political, but this small number of posts are always comments about another member's contribution and nothing original in nature and most importantly nothing of value to anyone.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2562694]The only people who believe that antifa are anti American are fascists.

Fascists hate democracy. Just like trump supporters (let's restrict the vote).

Fascists hate liberals. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists love totalitarian. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists love the wealthy. Just like trump supporters (trickle-down economics).

Fascists love the corporations. Just like trump supporters (trump 'tax cuts'.

Fascists love the military values. Just like trump supporters (don't rock the boat).

Fascists believe in one, all powerful cult-like leader. Just like trump supporters (duh).

Fascists love violence. Just like trump supporters (let's run over peaceful protesters like in Charlottesville).

Fascists love blaming others when things go wrong. Just like trump supporters (re: every trump speech).

Fascists hate intelligence. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists hate large cities. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists are misogynists. Just like trump supporters.[/QUOTE]All your description of Antifa is fiction in your twisted mind. The reality is that Antifa is a terrorist group destroying businesses and lives in USA. Burning flags and anti police. That is the reality of Antifa that cities like Portland, Minneapolis, New York and Seattle see every day. You don't acknowledge that in your fantasy life.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2563030]That's it? That's all you got. "I am not Black. " That is racist. Do you even know what Critical Race Theory is?

But fuck me. I can't believe I didn't see it until now. Tonight, I finally became curious and suspicious about you, so I went back over most your posting history all the way to 8/11/2019 covering 125 of your total 198 posts on ISG and guess what? Although you know already what I am going to report: You have not made 1 worthwhile contribution on the subject of girls and sex!

So, I am calling you out. You are not a monger like the rest of us. You are a political troll! A political plant / troublemaker.

Here are the facts: out of 125 posts I found only 1 that even mentioned a girl and only 3 posts that were not political, but those 3 contained no information about "our" hobby. The rest of your posts dated from 8/11/2019 to the present are all political leftwing diatribes and arguments. You have had a few posts in the Colombia thread that have been deleted for their argumentative nature and I think a couple more likewise in the Mexico thread. By my count, therefore, since August 2019 you have posted 118 times out of the total of 125 posts in this thread and only this thread. All highly opinionated and argumentative. Many of your posts are just insulting.

The only reason you come here is to argue and cause dissension. I feel sorry for you, but at the same time, I have no respect for you. You are a Troll![/QUOTE]Ad hominems aren't arguments. Nor does obsessively reading all his posts going back two years amount to any kind of arguments. And who are you of all people to complain about someone being "opinionated" or "argumentative?" That makes as much sense are your calling Democrats Nazis. And in case you didn't notice, this is an off topic political thread. So answer his political arguments instead of flailing in the air trying to hit the messenger.

The main points are.

Covid was man made.

It came from China.

Taiwan is an independent country.

Covid is a smoke screen to take back Taiwan and advance China's further objectives.

American politics has been coopted by Marxists. Antifa, etc.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2563116]And Lula was better?

This is the wrong site for politics probably.

But yeah at least in Brazil Bolsanaro can be a normal guy, tell ugly women they are ugly and he wouldn't have sex with them, and laugh it off.

The point of American politics is you have to look at ugly women and like it.[/QUOTE]

Xpartan,

I respect and like your posts on the rio mongering thread.

But I must respond with respect to economics.

There is one of the highest GINI indexes in Brazil, as in America. GINI is an index of disparity between wealth, rich and poor.

This is an indication that there is a free market at work.

8 dollar pussy is a good indication that the market is functioning, as it should. Capitalism in contrast to Marxism is a good thing, it is part of freedom.

The liberal, marxist leaning press is all in favor of the poorest being empowered as much as possible. Thats fine up to a point. The strength of a democracy, both Amrerica and Brazil is that they could both elect far ends of the spectrum, and change rule peacefully.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2563069].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2563131]Hey Paulie,

Thanks for taking what I said out of context and distorting my point intentionally. But that is what you do. You & PVMonger.

I have gone back and skimmed through your last 200 out of 294 total posts and guess what? Just like with PVMonger's posts, there is not 1 post written by you about girls, picking up girls, or shagging girls. Not one! 98% of your posts are political and argumentative whether posted in this thread or the Colombia thread or the FKK Club thread. Approximately 2% of your posts are non-political, but this small number of posts are always comments about another member's contribution and nothing original in nature and most importantly nothing of value to anyone.[/QUOTE]In case you hadn't noticed, this is the "American Politics" section.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2563131]Hey Paulie,

Thanks for taking what I said out of context and distorting my point intentionally. But that is what you do. You & PVMonger.

I have gone back and skimmed through your last 200 out of 294 total posts and guess what? Just like with PVMonger's posts, there is not 1 post written by you about girls, picking up girls, or shagging girls. Not one! 98% of your posts are political and argumentative whether posted in this thread or the Colombia thread or the FKK Club thread. Approximately 2% of your posts are non-political, but this small number of posts are always comments about another member's contribution and nothing original in nature and most importantly nothing of value to anyone.[/QUOTE]This is a lie. There are plenty of posts from myself from 2016 to 2019 on the Medellin thread in the Colombia forum regarding the scene there, especially in regard to the downtown / El Centro area. I invite anyone to go have a look. Though since the pandemic there have been a lot of posts on off topic threads such as this one as I haven't been traveling. But folks, back to the subject at hand, American Politics, what do we learn from this butthurt wingnut, from the above post and a similar one to PVMonger? Take him off his playing field and he's a fish out of water. Remove his butt out from in front of the television and Tucker Carlson Tonight, and place him in a venue where he's faced with well sourced facts and points of views counter to his self imposed indoctrination, and he comes unglued. Rather than doing some research to try and come with some decent rebuttals, something besides worn out and easily debunked loaded talking points, he instead stews and obsesses combing through years of post histories of the members that have challenged his pet political opinions. LOL Those of a similar political mindset as myself should feel very encouraged by this. Not only did we make our case to the American people and win, but the wingnuts are truly rattled. Such is the consequence of putting faith in a clown like Trump. And the more they want to deflect by bringing up the Anarchists, Antifa, the score remains 329 to 0, White Supremacists wining the day in kills over the last 25 years. It is no wonder that DHS determined them as our most lethal domestic terrorist threat.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2563175]All your description of Antifa is fiction in your twisted mind. The reality is that Antifa is a terrorist group destroying businesses and lives in USA. Burning flags and anti police. That is the reality of Antifa that cities like Portland, Minneapolis, New York and Seattle see every day. You don't acknowledge that in your fantasy life.[/QUOTE]And yet right-wing terrorism is a far greater threat? The only people who [B]don't[/B] believe that are (surprise, surprise) right-wing terrorists and Republicans.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2563249]And yet right-wing terrorism is a far greater threat? The only people who [B]don't[/B] believe that are (surprise, surprise) right-wing terrorists and Republicans.[/QUOTE]Proven time and time again here for at least six months now, with source citations and Trump's own DHS report, a report he tried to stop from publication. Yet it's only ignored while the same talking points are repeated ad nauseam. The little Trumps learned from their master well. Ignore, keep lying, cut on the cap key, and use exclamation marks in place of periods. Wink.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2563248]This is a lie. There are plenty of posts from myself from 2016 to 2019 on the Medellin thread in the Colombia forum regarding the scene there, especially in regard to the downtown / El Centro area. I invite anyone to go have a look. [/QUOTE]I just did. A search of all your posts shows a total of 299 posts in 12 pages. I found no posts with your name on them describing the Medellin punting scene first hand or actual trip reports. Did the rest somehow mysteriously vanish?

If you have actually made any real contributions to the ISG forum as you claim, other than your political diatribes and rare comments about someone else's reportage, please post a link to them.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2563297]I just did. A search of all your posts shows a total of 299 posts in 12 pages. I found no posts with your name on them describing the Medellin punting scene first hand or actual trip reports. .[/QUOTE]Once again this is false, and completely off topic. Though I hope you enjoyed your afternoon reading all of my posts since joining ISG. I'm also pleased to occupy so much space rent between your ears. This says a lot for my on topic posts on this thread.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2563249]And yet right-wing terrorism is a far greater threat? The only people who [B]don't[/B] believe that are (surprise, surprise) right-wing terrorists and Republicans.[/QUOTE]I agree there are some far right radicals but they are not anti USA, burning flags and terrorizing local businesses. Big difference.

[QUOTE=Canada;2563175]All your description of Antifa is fiction in your twisted mind. The reality is that Antifa is a terrorist group destroying businesses and lives in USA. Burning flags and anti police. That is the reality of Antifa that cities like Portland, Minneapolis, New York and Seattle see every day. You don't acknowledge that in your fantasy life.[/QUOTE]The reality is that Antifa is playing the role of proxy warriors. On behalf of who or for what remains to be seen.

The race-baiting is being done by controlled opposition. The bait was taken resulting in Charlottesville and The Storming of the Capitol.

There you have it. And we are down the rabbit hole.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2563297]I just did. A search of all your posts shows a total of 299 posts in 12 pages. [/QUOTE]As of tonight, you and everyone else I've checked only has 12 pages of posts and about 299 total posts available in search, at least when you start by clicking on the member's handle. Yet you have close to 3000 posts here and were a member well in advance of last year, correct? So was I, though my last searchable post is from December 2020. I have 643 total as is seen in my profile so that's 344 unavailable by your report, pertinent as I haven't been on the ground in Medellin since my last searchable post from last year.

This apparently is a technical decision made by ISG if not a glitch, so you jumped the gun, and are free to apologize to PVMonger and myself. Then you are also welcome to get back on topic if you wish to discuss American politics.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2563233]Xpartan,

I respect and like your posts on the rio mongering thread. [/QUOTE]That's mutual. Your latest post is a masterpiece, BTW, seriously.

[QUOTE]But I must respond with respect to economics.

There is one of the highest GINI indexes in Brazil, as in America. GINI is an index of disparity between wealth, rich and poor.

This is an indication that there is a free market at work.[/QUOTE]But is it?

I didn't know much about GINI, so I looked it up. Turned out, not too many countries have GINI over 50. Angola, Guinea-Bissau, Namibia, Suriname, Zimbabwe in addition, of course, to our beloved Brazil. Are these shining examples of free market? Or are they a perfect example of corruption running amok? Did you see "O mecanismo"?

[QUOTE]8 dollar pussy is a good indication that the market is functioning, as it should. Capitalism in contrast to Marxism is a good thing, it is part of freedom.

The liberal, marxist leaning press is all in favor of the poorest being empowered as much as possible. Thats fine up to a point. [/QUOTE]It never fails to crack me up when people talk Marxism, communism, socialism, as if they have any idea what they're talking about. I STUDIED Marxism (Leninism) and socialist economy. Where did you find "marxist" press in the US? Please don't say WaPo or CNN. Pretty please?

By the way, left-wingers have no idea either (Bernie and his example of Denmark -- fucking hell, what an embarrassment).

There is zero risk of Marxism or socialism ever happening in America. Americans and the West have been vaccinated in the 50-s. There is no socialism in the industrial world. Not in France or Belgium or Sweden or even Denmark. All those countries are free market economies. You're preaching to a choir.

Socialism ain't coming to our shores. Like ever.

[QUOTE]The strength of a democracy, both Amrerica and Brazil is that they could both elect far ends of the spectrum, and change rule peacefully.[/QUOTE]That was the case until November 2020.

It's not the case anymore.

A group of people is adamantly refusing to accept that their guy lost the election despite all evidence, all inspections, all recounts, all court decisions and all the facts.

Sorry to say, senior Vagabundo, but those people come from your political end of the spectrum.

So much for peaceful changes, alas.

Sad!

I am a Joe Rogan point on the spectrum.

Again, I highly respect your posts, which are insightful, up to and including the latest.

That said, I think you perhaps mis categorize me as being at one end.

Politics in America -- and in much of the world, to include Israel -- is a 48 - 48 - and 4 split.

In America, it is 48 democrat, 48 republican, and 4 in the middle, which I would submit to you is the Hillbilly elegy demographic, which was the swing vote in 2016, and the swing vote again in 2020. Hillbilly elegy is a wildly successful book, now a Netflix special for the ADD among us.

Joe Rogan is a -- indeed, the most successful -- podcaster, now on Spotify for a tidy 100 m. He famously moved from CA to TX, for reasons I entirely associate myself with, to use the language of the senate. Joe Rogan is on record as: Supporting Tulsi Gabbard because she is a veteran, among other reasons; for saying he would not vote for Biden because he has dementia; and for voting in fact for Joe Jorgenson, the libertarian candidate -- the 4%. That is pretty much where my politics are. As the saying goes, I voted with my feet, and voted in almost exactly the same way as Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan likes to interview Jocko Willink, who in turn has interviewed James Webb ([URL]jameswebb.com[/URL]), a former Presidential Candidate in 2016.

At the risk of being a political chameleon, I am a Joe Rogan dude. I like country music, but one of my favorite Garth Brooks songs is "We Shall Be Free".

This ain't comin' from no prophet.

Just an ordinary man.

When I close my eyes I see, the way this world shall be.

When we all walk hand in hand.

When the last child cries for a crust of bread.

When the last man dies for just words that he said.

When there's shelter over the poorest head.

We shall be free.

When the last thing we notice is the color of skin.

And the first thing we look for is the beauty within.

When the skies and the oceans are clean again.

Then we shall be free.

We shall be free.

We shall be free.

Stand straight, walk proud.

'Cause we shall be free.

When we're free to love anyone we choose.

When this world's big enough for all different views.

When we all can worship from our own kind of pew.

Then we shall be free, yeah.

But, in contrast to most stereotypes of country music fans, I am a Garth Brooks liberal and agree with much of what Brooks -- one of the most successful poets in America, arguably -- writes in the above lyrics.

I see myself as a Christian -- albeit a terrible sinner. But I believe in the God of Spinoza, which you can also google, as did Einstein.

When Einstein gave lectures at USA Universities, the recurring question that students asked him most was:

- Do you believe in God?

And he always answered:

- I believe in the God of Spinoza.

Baruch de Spinoza was a Dutch philosopher considered one of the great rationalists of 17th century philosophy, along with Descartes.

(Spinoza) : God would say:

Stop praying.

What I want you to do is go out into the world and enjoy your life. I want you to sing, have fun and enjoy everything I've made for you.

Stop going into those dark, cold temples that you built yourself and saying they are my house. My house is in the mountains, in the woods, rivers, lakes, beaches. That's where I live and there I express my love for you.

Stop blaming me for your miserable life; I never told you there was anything wrong with you or that you were a sinner, or that your sexuality was a bad thing. Sex is a gift I have given you and with which you can express your love, your ecstasy, your joy. So don't blame me for everything they made you believe.

Stop reading alleged sacred scriptures that have nothing to do with me. If you can't read me in a sunrise, in a landscape, in the look of your friends, in your son's eyes. ➤ you will find me in no book!

Stop asking me "will you tell me how to do my job?" Stop being so scared of me. I do not judge you or criticize you, nor get angry, or bothered. I am pure love.

Stop asking for forgiveness, there's nothing to forgive. If I made you. I filled you with passions, limitations, pleasures, feelings, needs, inconsistencies. Free will. How can I blame you if you respond to something I put in you? How can I punish you for being the way you are, if I'm the one who made you? Do you think I could create a place to burn all my children who behave badly for the rest of eternity? What kind of god would do that?

Respect your peers and don't do what you don't want for yourself. All I ask is that you pay attention in your life, that alertness is your guide.

My beloved, this life is not a test, not a step on the way, not a rehearsal, nor a prelude to paradise. This life is the only thing here and now and it is all you need.

I have set you absolutely free, no prizes or punishments, no sins or virtues, no one carries a marker, no one keeps a record.

You are absolutely free to create in your life. Heaven or hell.

I can't tell you if there's anything after this life but I can give you a tip. Live as if there is not. As if this is your only chance to enjoy, to love, to exist.

So, if there's nothing after, then you will have enjoyed the opportunity I gave you. And if there is, rest assured that I won't ask if you behaved right or wrong, I'll ask. Did you like it? Did you have fun? What did you enjoy the most? What did you learn?.

Stop believing in me; believing is assuming, guessing, imagining. I don't want you to believe in me, I want you to believe in you. I want you to feel me in you when you kiss your beloved, when you tuck in your little girl, when you caress your dog, when you bathe in the sea.

Stop praising me, what kind of egomaniac God do you think I am?

I'm bored being praised. I'm tired of being thanked. Feeling grateful? Prove it by taking care of yourself, your health, your relationships, the world. Express your joy! That's the way to praise me.

Stop complicating things and repeating as a parakeet what you've been taught about me.

What do you need more miracles for? So many explanations?

The only thing for sure is that you are here, that you are alive, that this world is full of wonders.

- Spinoza.

My view is that Joe Rogan would agree with both the Country Music of Garth Brooks and the God of Spinoza as Einstein saw it.

Now, as to Marxism, I can cite several sources which argue that there is a marxist attack on American institutions including the military. There is a book by a US Air Force LtCol Lohmeir, see.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/outsted-space-force-playbook-marxism-tucker-carlson-today[/URL]

On this same intellectual thread, there is a letter by 100+ retired American generals and admirals making the same argument.

So, while the likelihood of Marxism succeeding in taking over America is perhaps slim, what we only really need to see is enough of a victory by the marxists for America to lose the reserve currency status of the US Dollar (see eichengreen, exorbitant privilege).

There is an excellent review of the eichengreen book on [URL]economist.com[/URL] which I commend to we few, we happy few mongers.

Which brings me back to our common topic, mongering.

My view as a economist, such that I am, is to agree with [URL]economist.com[/URL] on the subject of mongering, P4 P, etc. You can find the [URL]economist.com[/URL] argument in favor of prostitution. I don't need to link to it.

So, my argument that Brazil is a great country because it has porn star quality hot dogfartnetwork wefuckblackgirlsdotcom quality negras and latinas at the price point of 8 USD for 10 minutes, just enough to shower it, wrap it, and bust a nut in a bent over bunda is within that context. It is illegal in puritanical (the opposite of the god of Spinoza) America. It may be legal in parts of Euroland, but at a higher price point. It can be had in 'merica, but for Ana Foxxx, it is like 1000 USD, and for a shitty, controlled experience, or for similarly inflated prices.

So, I conclude: I am a Joe Rogan middle 4 % swing voter in terms of my view of this topic, American politics.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2563408]Sorry to say, senior Vagabundo, but those people come from your political end of the spectrum.

So much for peaceful changes, alas.

Sad![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2563131]Hey Paulie,

Thanks for taking what I said out of context and distorting my point intentionally. But that is what you do. You & PVMonger.

I have gone back and skimmed through your last 200 out of 294 total posts and guess what? Just like with PVMonger's posts, there is not 1 post written by you about girls, picking up girls, or shagging girls. Not one! 98% of your posts are political and argumentative whether posted in this thread or the Colombia thread or the FKK Club thread. Approximately 2% of your posts are non-political, but this small number of posts are always comments about another member's contribution and nothing original in nature and most importantly nothing of value to anyone.[/QUOTE]Hi Natty,

Do not expect any intelligence from any of these liberal idiots. They all stupidly voted for the Clintons, Obama and now Biden so anything they say about anything is suspect at best and more than likely completely twisted like all the fake news they feed their feeble minds with. Mark my words they are turning the USA into a shithole and that is why I am leaving USA for good to live in the Philippines upper class with my gorgeous, busty, intelligent fiancé'. Cheers, mate.

[QUOTE=Canada;2563326]I agree there are some far right radicals but they are not anti USA, burning flags and terrorizing local businesses. Big difference.[/QUOTE]Guess what? Flag burning is constitutionally protected free speech as defined by the First Amendment to the Constitution.

And yes, right-wing-wingnuts are anti-USA because they are against "all men are created equal". How do I know this? Because there are no blacks, browns, yellows, reds, Jews, Muslims etc. That belong. And as much as you and virtually every other Republican would like to deny it, non-white and non-protestant people are Americans.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2563408]A group of people is adamantly refusing to accept that their guy lost the election despite all evidence, all inspections, all recounts, all court decisions and all the facts.

Sorry to say, senior Vagabundo, but those people come from your political end of the spectrum.

So much for peaceful changes, alas.

Sad![/QUOTE]What "facts" are you talking about Xpartan? The head of Fulton County elections is a hack who previously kicked out Republican observers four years before his stint in Fulton County. He kicked out a Republican judge before!

Now he goes to Fulton County. There is a fucking video of a woman telling everyone to go home and people are on the video putting tarps over the ballot boxes. Four people stay behind. Republican observers leave the vote counting area. These four pull out ballot boxes and run ballots through the machine.

The Republican observers go to a centralized station. They see the area where they left still has votes being counted. They go back to that station and 2 hours has passed.

None of this is disputed.

Given the speed with which the machines counted the votes, it is possible that the ballots ran during that time frame could have given Biden Georgia.

When a Republican observer objected to questionable ballots from a long term facility that went 55 to 1 for Biden, she was rebuffed and no recount or vote verification was implemented. After filing a complaint, she was fired.

Were the four people who hung around Fulton County deposed? Fuck no!

A judge said those people who filed suit against Fulton County did not have standing to file suit and any potential issues with the election should have been addressed before hand. That is a judge punting not declaring no fraud occurred.

So what were those vote totals? You do not know, and I do not know. The difference between us is I care about the integrity of the election, and you do not give a fuck which means you are completely compromised, lying, POS Democratic douche.

Here you go lying about an "inspection". What were the vote totals when those four vote counters ran ballots through the machine without Republican observers? You don't know, and I don't know. So quit with your fucking lying bullshit. Recounting potentially fraudulent ballots does not mean an election was fair.

[QUOTE=DCups;2563504]Hi Natty,

Do not expect any intelligence from any of these liberal idiots. They all stupidly voted for the Clintons, Obama and now Biden so anything they say about anything is suspect at best and more than likely completely twisted like all the fake news they feed their feeble minds with. Mark my words they are turning the USA into a shithole and that is why I am leaving USA for good to live in the Philippines upper class with my gorgeous, busty, intelligent fianc'. Cheers, mate.[/QUOTE]DCups, I totally agree with you. The radical Woke are destroying the USA and I can't believe how fast the takeover is occurring. But before these fools took over high tech, the corporate media, the education system, the streets of our major cities and poor demented Joe Biden; I thought retiring in southern Thailand, Cambodia, or the PI would be just fine, but if this Leftwing coup is successful and they cement their control over everyone, everything including the Supreme Court and the Constitution, we can kiss good bye all our freedom and I think we will all need to get different passports fast / change citizenship because being just a resident expat in some friendly foreign country will not be enough to live free if you are an American citizen. For example, a leftwing controlled fascist IRS will come after our assets no matter where we reside as long as we are American citizens. A left wing-controlled judiciary and police force will come after us for sex crimes (fucking young local girls for money). We will all be political refugees.

So, my top 2 friendly, welcoming, refuge safe countries are Australia and Costa Rica, but both countries require a 4-year residency before citizenship is granted. That is why this next election in 2022 is critical. If we do not take back the House and keep the Senate, we will lose our country forever. The situation is that serious.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2563579]What "facts" are you talking about Xpartan? The head of Fulton County elections is a hack who previously kicked out Republican observers four years before his stint in Fulton County. He kicked out a Republican judge before!..[/QUOTE]What so you suppose the percentage of persons on this forum who are conspiratorial thinkers vs. The general population? In my normal life, I don't run into very little of this, but maybe that's because of the zipcode I live in.

[URL]https://youtu.be/S0tFgPG26vA[/URL]

This explains exactly the middle of the spectrum where I'm with joe Rogan.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2563464]I am a Joe Rogan point on the spectrum.

Again, I highly respect your posts, which are insightful, up to and including the latest.

That said, I think you perhaps mis categorize me as being at one end.

Politics in America -- and in much of the world, to include Israel -- is a 48 - 48 - and 4 split.

In America, it is 48 democrat, 48 republican, and 4 in the middle, which I would submit to you is the Hillbilly elegy demographic, which was the swing vote in 2016, and the swing vote again in 2020. Hillbilly elegy is a wildly successful book, now a Netflix special for the ADD among us.

Joe Rogan is a -- indeed, the most successful -- podcaster, now on Spotify for a tidy 100 m. He famously moved from CA to TX, for reasons I entirely associate myself with, to use the language of the senate. Joe Rogan is on record as: Supporting Tulsi Gabbard because she is a veteran, among other reasons; for saying he would not vote for Biden because he has dementia; and for voting in fact for Joe Jorgenson, the libertarian candidate -- the 4%.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;2563504]Hi Natty,

Do not expect any intelligence from any of these liberal idiots. They all stupidly voted for the Clintons, Obama and now Biden so anything they say about anything is suspect at best and more than likely completely twisted like all the fake news they feed their feeble minds with. Mark my words they are turning the USA into a shithole and that is why I am leaving USA for good to live in the Philippines upper class with my gorgeous, busty, intelligent fianc'. Cheers, mate.[/QUOTE]I live a fun and comfortable retired life in Thailand. Been here since 2012. You just named two of the four presidents during my working life whose policies produced the positive economic expansion, jobs creation, stock market gains and property value appreciation that helped make this life for me possible starting at a relatively young age (for retirement); Clinton and Obama. That and being lucky enough to have smart adult relatives who got us out of a losing Red state when I was a kid and into California where, thankfully, I bought property.

The other two presidents during my working life whose economic policies I credit with contributing significantly to my happy retirement were LBJ and Carter. All Dems. I guess my strong recommendation to any American worker wanting a happy, financially comfortable retirement is vote Democrat and buy in California.

The Republican presidents in between were not worth shit in that regard since voting for and betting on Great USA Recessions/Depressions, deep and serious stock and housing market crashes, massive job losses and whatever other "Once in 100 Years Disaster!" Republicans invariable manage to find, embrace and develope at every opportunity is not my style. In fact, their policies contributed nothing but drag and loss to my situation. I would be way, way ahead on that count had they never been elected.

Biden has not been president long enough for me to see if or how his policies will effect my financial life. But it is certain he will be a far more positive influence than Trump was. Lol. Major understatement there.

BTW, Biden does not have dementia. Zero evidence of it. What you are hearing in his occasional verbal bobbles is his way of overcoming a tendency to stutter, a lifelong affliction. When he hits a word in a sentence that he instantly identifies as a potential stutter trigger he just as instantly replaces it with a perfectly acceptable alternate word or words and continues on with the meaning and message of that sentence. He is actually quite brilliant at it considering the kind of specialized grammar his chosen vocation requires.

That is not something anyone with dementia could do. I mean, it isn't like he gets stuck in a mental and verbal dead end trying to say ordinary words like "origins" or "anonymous" and can't stop saying "oranges, oranges" and "anominous, anominous" instead, among many others, the way Trump does.

Covfefe!

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2563116]And Lula was better?

This is the wrong site for politics probably.

But yeah at least in Brazil Bolsanaro can be a normal guy, tell ugly women they are ugly and he wouldn't have sex with them, and laugh it off.

The point of American politics is you have to look at ugly women and like it.[/QUOTE]As the old saying goes, politics is showbiz for ugly people.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2563249]And yet right-wing terrorism is a far greater threat? The only people who [B]don't[/B] believe that are (surprise, surprise) right-wing terrorists and Republicans.[/QUOTE]Dude,

How many cities did "right-wing terrorists" burn and loot last year? Did "right-wing terrorists" set up armed autonomous zones from which police were banned and in which fascism was the law? Nope. That was all far-left antifa communists. Try and look at reality, rather than fake news agenda.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2563686]The other two presidents during my working life whose economic policies I credit with contributing significantly to my happy retirement were LBJ and Carter. I guess my strong recommendation to any American worker wanting a happy, financially comfortable retirement is vote Democrat and buy in California.

BTW, Biden does not have dementia. Zero evidence of it. What you are hearing in his occasional verbal bobbles is his way of overcoming a tendency to stutter, a lifelong affliction. When he hits a word in a sentence that he instantly identifies as a potential stutter trigger he just as instantly replaces it with a perfectly acceptable alternate word and continues on with the meaning and message of that sentence. He is actually quite brilliant at it considering the kind of specialized grammar his chosen vocation requires.[/QUOTE]California? You were lucky to move there decades ago when it was solidly Republican (Nixon and Reagan were governors) or in the immediate aftermath. The California of today, after decades of third world migration turned it democrat, is a shithole. If you buy there now, particularly as a white man, you stand to lose your home to some wacky new "affirmation action reparations racial justice", or in the best case scenario get utterly annihilated by taxes. This stuff, along with the homeless and their needles and shit in the streets, are among the reasons so many Americans are leaving California. And the fact that it elected Kamala Harris, a white-hating, man-hating diversity hire nonentity who literally got her break by fucking and sucking the married mayor of San Francisco 30 years her senior.

As for Biden's so-called stutter. It's bullshit. Watch his speeches from the 80's and 90's. He speaks perfectly clearly. What he says is stupid of course, but he says it without any hint of a stutter. This whole story was invented by his handlers and pushed by the fake news to try and hide the fact that he is a senile old man whose brain is mush.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2563692]California? You were lucky to move there decades ago when it was solidly Republican (Nixon and Reagan were governors) or in the immediate aftermath. The California of today, after decades of third world migration turned it democrat, is a shithole. If you buy there now, particularly as a white man, you stand to lose your home to some wacky new "affirmation action reparations racial justice", or in the best case scenario get utterly annihilated by taxes. This stuff, along with the homeless and their needles and shit in the streets, are among the reasons so many Americans are leaving California. And the fact that it elected Kamala Harris, a white-hating, man-hating diversity hire nonentity who literally got her break by fucking and sucking the married mayor of San Francisco 30 years her senior.[/QUOTE]California, The powerhouse economy of the US. Since 2009 it has been the No1 GDP growth state in the US. Why? Good health system, good education, skilled workforce, good infrastructure, good access to Asia and good governance. Makes a mockery of the right wingers constant whinging about California that this socialist bastion keeps blowing the redneck states out of the water in economic performance!

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2563464]I am a Joe Rogan point on the spectrum.

Again, I highly respect your posts, which are insightful, up to and including the latest.

That said, I think you perhaps mis categorize me as being at one end.[/QUOTE]If I have, my apologies.

America is so tribal today, it would be funny if it weren't so sad. We all get caught up in this endless and idiotic war of words. An Uber driver makes a dumb political remark, then studies my reaction in the mirror.

WTF!

Anyway, I always enjoy reading your stuff and hope to see you in person soon.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2563579]What "facts" are you talking about Xpartan? The head of Fulton County elections is a hack who previously kicked out Republican observers four years before his stint in Fulton County. He kicked out a Republican judge before!

Now he goes to Fulton County. There is a fucking video of a woman telling everyone to go home and people are on the video putting tarps over the ballot boxes. Four people stay behind. Republican observers leave the vote counting area. These four pull out ballot boxes and run ballots through the machine.

The Republican observers go to a centralized station. They see the area where they left still has votes being counted. They go back to that station and 2 hours has passed.

None of this is disputed.

Given the speed with which the machines counted the votes, it is possible that the ballots ran during that time frame could have given Biden Georgia.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/12/04/no-atlanta-didnt-count-ballots-in-secret-or-in-suitcases/?sh=edb7e14e5a42[/URL].

You don't care one iota about the integrity of the election. If you did, you'd ask questions like "Can we trust the down-ballot vote counts?" or "How come there's no fraud in Houston, Columbus, etc? In truth, all you really care about is perpetuating "the election was stolen" nonsense.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2563692]California? You were lucky to move there decades ago when it was solidly Republican (Nixon and Reagan were governors) or in the immediate aftermath. The California of today, after decades of third world migration turned it democrat, is a shithole. If you buy there now, particularly as a white man, you stand to lose your home to some wacky new "affirmation action reparations racial justice", or in the best case scenario get utterly annihilated by taxes. This stuff, along with the homeless and their needles and shit in the streets, are among the reasons so many Americans are leaving California. And the fact that it elected Kamala Harris, a white-hating, man-hating diversity hire nonentity who literally got her break by fucking and sucking the married mayor of San Francisco 30 years her senior.

As for Biden's so-called stutter. It's bullshit. Watch his speeches from the 80's and 90's. He speaks perfectly clearly. What he says is stupid of course, but he says it without any hint of a stutter. This whole story was invented by his handlers and pushed by the fake news to try and hide the fact that he is a senile old man whose brain is mush.[/QUOTE]I moved there in the early 1960's when (D)Pat Brown was Governor and bought in late 1999 when (D)Gray Davis was Governor. The only time my property underperformed was when (R)Schwarzenegger was Governor. But then, that also was during the (R)George W. Bush presidential years so it is hard to say which one was producing the crap economy. Probably both.

I am not surprised that Biden was even better at compensating for his stutter 40 years ago. I'm guessing everyone is better at delivering speeches at 38 than they are at 78. Doesn't mean they have dementia though.

Oh, speaking of senile old men with mush for brains, this is a link for one of a series of videos called "Trump's Best Words". This link is for the 2019 edition. Hilarious! Sometimes these posted links don't work. Sorry about that. But just do a YouTube search for them under that name.

[URL]https://youtu.be/UE9BXkQ-SRc[/URL]

LOL. There are a few of them at about 3-4 minutes each. I don't think you could find even one 3 minute video of as many flubbed and godknowswhat words coming out of Biden's mouth culled from his entire time in politics. Yet, that Trump video series is just from when he was a one-term, twice Impeached so-called potus.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2563692]California? You were lucky to move there decades ago when it was solidly Republican (Nixon and Reagan were governors)

The California of today, after decades of third world migration turned it democrat, is a shithole.

as a white man, you stand to lose your home to some wacky new "affirmation action reparations racial justice",

it elected Kamala Harris, a white-hating, man-hating diversity hire nonentity who literally got her break by fucking and sucking

As for Biden's so-called stutter. It's bullshit. [/QUOTE]Lost credibility at "Nixon was governor (of California)". Think he lost an election to Pat Brown once, 2 years after he lost the Presidency to JFK. Alternate reality perhaps?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2563819]I moved there in the early 1960's when (D)Pat Brown was Governor and bought in late 1999 when (D)Gray Davis was Governor. The only time my property underperformed was when (R)Schwarzenegger was Governor. But then, that also was during the (R)George W. Bush presidential years so it is hard to say which one was producing the crap economy. Probably both.

I am not surprised that Biden was even better at compensating for his stutter 40 years ago. I'm guessing everyone is better at delivering speeches at 38 than they are at 78. Doesn't mean they have dementia though.
[/QUOTE]California has gone from undoubtedly the best place in the world when you moved there (when it was 90% white and mostly Republican, and the Democrats who did get elected were not insane low IQ white-hating communist diversity hire Kamala Harris types) to a literal 3rd world literal shithole (shit all over the streets from the homeless bums) with a tiny Silicon Valley / Hollywood elite and vast mass of serfs, from which normal heritage Americans are fleeing en masse to avoid being attacked and punished both by the elite and the third world mass, both of which hate them.

If Biden had a stutter, show me a single video, from his election to the senate in 1972 right up to when he was VP, in which he stutters. There are none, because he doesn't stutter. Not "compensating" or whatever BS you're talking. And his problems now are not that he can't say a word; it is that he just trails off and forgets what he was supposed to say. You can see the vacant, lost look in his eyes.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2563819]I moved there in the early 1960's when (D)Pat Brown was Governor and bought in late 1999 when (D)Gray Davis was Governor. The only time my property underperformed was when (R)Schwarzenegger was Governor. But then, that also was during the (R)George W. Bush presidential years so it is hard to say which one was producing the crap economy. Probably both.

I am not surprised that Biden was even better at compensating for his stutter 40 years ago. I'm guessing everyone is better at delivering speeches at 38 than they are at 78. Doesn't mean they have dementia though.

Oh, speaking of senile old men with mush for brains, this is a link for one of a series of videos called "Trump's Best Words". This link is for the 2019 edition. Hilarious! Sometimes these posted links don't work. Sorry about that. But just do a YouTube search for them under that name.

[URL]https://youtu.be/UE9BXkQ-SRc[/URL]

LOL. There are a few of them at about 3-4 minutes each. I don't think you could find even one 3 minute video of as many flubbed and godknowswhat words coming out of Biden's mouth culled from his entire time in politics. Yet, that Trump video series is just from when he was a one-term, twice Impeached so-called potus.[/QUOTE]Actions speak louder than words, numb nuts.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2563689]Dude,

How many cities did "right-wing terrorists" burn and loot last year? Did "right-wing terrorists" set up armed autonomous zones from which police were banned and in which fascism was the law? Nope. That was all far-left antifa communists. Try and look at reality, rather than fake news agenda.[/QUOTE]Dude,

Last I checked Portland is standing and was hardly burned to the ground, so we can skip the hyperbole. Also your typical Antifa member follows Anarchism, an ideology very different from Communism. Fascism is also distinctly different from Communism though you call them both in the same breath. You simply aren't educated, and it would be too generous to call such the product of fake wingnut news, but is more likely only from grasping at straws at whatever however contradictory social media posts you find appealing.

Also how many people have Antifa members killed? What about White Supremacists? As of now considering the last 25 year the latter has a lead of 329-0.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7[/URL]

And once again White Supremacists represent our greatest domestic terrorist threat, according to Trump's DHS in a 10/2020 report, a report he tried to stop from publication. Antifa wasn't even mentioned.

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

Last but not least, let's not forget the "right-wing extremists" at the Capital, Camp Auschwitz shirts, bombs, zip ties, beating police officers to death while trying to stop an electoral college count. Nor sir, don't leave that one out.

Wingnut extremists are the much greater threat. No amount of whining about fake news, big tech, or "the corporate media" excluding Fox of course while swimming head first in your own sea of propaganda will make these facts go away. Nor will ignoring rebuttals and repeating the same fallacies over and over in a monger forum. Though many have been trying this method for a very long time.

Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2563828]Lost credibility at "Nixon was governor (of California)". Think he lost an election to Pat Brown once[/QUOTE]My bad, Nixon won the California Senate election of 1950, and won the state in the presidential elections of 1960, 1968 and 1972, but he did indeed lose the 1962 gubernatorial election. An early case of leftwing media bias, back when people believed what they saw and read in the media. And of course, Pat Brown wasn't advocating open borders, defunding the police, disarming the population, and ranting about "white supremacy", whatever that is.

[QUOTE=DCups;2563845]Actions speak louder than words, numb nuts.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] And most Americans agree. Hell, even the FOX News and Rasmussen polls have Biden's Job Approval Rating at 54% and 55% with a consensus of the RCP polls at a high that incoherent blathering Trump never achieved but so very much wished for. Unfortunately for him, they were not rating his ability to sit in a golf cart and tweet only marginally more coherent but easily debunked lies.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2563829]California has gone from undoubtedly the best place in the world when you moved there (when it was 90% white and mostly Republican, and the Democrats who did get elected were not insane low IQ white-hating communist diversity hire Kamala Harris types) to a literal 3rd world literal shithole (shit all over the streets from the homeless bums) with a tiny Silicon Valley / Hollywood elite and vast mass of serfs, from which normal heritage Americans are fleeing en masse to avoid being attacked and punished both by the elite and the third world mass, both of which hate them.

If Biden had a stutter, show me a single video, from his election to the senate in 1972 right up to when he was VP, in which he stutters. There are none, because he doesn't stutter. Not "compensating" or whatever BS you're talking. And his problems now are not that he can't say a word; it is that he just trails off and forgets what he was supposed to say. You can see the vacant, lost look in his eyes.[/QUOTE]His compensating techniques were already established before he entered public life. Of course.

Show me the videos of Biden trailing off and forgetting what he was going to say. The videos I have seen claiming to show that are of him realizing he was about to go on a tangent on a side issue, a lengthy story and talk too much, something he was roundly criticized for in the past and he has tried to curtail. Instead he gets back to the point of his remark and closes it. Or they are deceptively edited videos to make it look that way. They are not of him getting lost, forgetting what he was going to say or with a vacant stare.

Some may remember the time in an earlier presidential nomination run where the first question he was asked at a debate was if he would be able to shorten his replies and not go on and on with overly detailed and side issue responses. His one word answer, "Yes", was the funniest and most memorable hit of the debate. He learned from those years so now he catches himself to avoid sliding back into an old habit.

By contrast, those "Trump's Best Words" videos are not deceptively edited to make it look like Trump is not aware of his repeated incoherent thinking and blathering. He really is aware of it. But he assumes his devoted audience is too stupid to notice or care and doesn't have enough honesty and regard for them to simply say, "excuse me, I meant to say..."

EihTooms,

And thank you for citing sources, something we see almost none of from the conservative minded mongers among us.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2563982]Show me the videos of Biden trailing off and forgetting what he was going to say. The videos I have seen claiming to show that are of him realizing he was about to go on a tangent on a side issue, a lengthy story and talk too much, something he was roundly criticized for in the past and he has tried to curtail. Instead he gets back to the point of his remark and closes it. Or they are deceptively edited videos to make it look that way. They are not of him getting lost, forgetting what he was going to say or with a vacant stare.[/QUOTE]You aren't going to get any source citations, links, Youtubes or proof of anything or the like from ChrisP. Just Chicken Little esque woe is me, white victimization the sky is falling rants, overt Anti-Semitism, long debunked and discredited stolen election dogma, and other lies and misleading half-truths that others are left to unravel. Of course none of that is surprising given where we are, or for anyone that has had conversations with angry wingnuts around overseas mongering watering holes, but don't expect any sources or analysis of the same. It simply isn't in the DNA.

If some would take a few minutes to do a bit of research rather than just swallow hook, line, and sinker everything Hannity, Tucker, and other right wing media drama queens tell them, they might become acquainted with some balance and reality. So for emphasis I'll pose the questions again, how many people has Antifa killed in the last 25 years? Zero, zilch, cero. And how many people have White Supremacist extremists killed in the same time frame? 329. Now we move, from Media Matters:

"But while both the administration and Fox's hosts are suggesting that the entire city is under siege, the reality is far more prosaic. 'The images that populate national media feeds, however, come almost exclusively from a tiny point of the city: a 12-block area surrounding the Justice Center and federal courthouse,' The Oregonian reported. 'And they occur exclusively during late-night hours in which only a couple hundred or fewer protesters and scores of police officers are out in the city's coronavirus-hollowed downtown. ' The paper explained that that's when 'tensions flare,' as a 'small number' of demonstrators 'poke and prod officers to engage,' and the officers respond by using 'tear gas, foam-tipped projectiles and other munitions' to disperse the crowd. ".

I'll be damned. From listening to all the Chicken Littles you'd think that the city of Portland no longer exists, that the entire city limits is nothing but rubble and flames. Lolol.

[URL]https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-fuels-trumps-dangerous-portland-law-and-order-strategy[/URL]

Here another article so entitled:

Feds, right-wing media paint Portland as 'city under siege. ' A tour of town shows otherwise.

[URL]https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/feds-right-wing-media-paint-portland-as-city-under-siege-a-tour-of-town-shows-otherwise.html[/URL]

These exaggerations were all part of Trump's re-election strategy, law and order, race card as always, with the implication that unruly blacks were coming to the burbs to rape their daughters and kill everyone. This was in hopes of saving enough of the suburban midwestern voters he needed in spite of showing his ass constantly, bungling the pandemic and delivering little in the way of industrial jobs to the region. It didn't work though while he was completely made a fool of January 6th.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2563942]

Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone.[/QUOTE]"Memorial Day is a federal holiday in the United States for honoring and mourning the military personnel who have died in the performance of their military duties while serving in the United States Armed Forces. The holiday is observed on the last Monday of May. " (Wikipedia).

Well done Paulie for mentioning the reason for the holiday. Yes tomorrow is Memorial Day, Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone.

The VP, who tweeted "Enjoy the long weekend" seems to have forgotten this and has made it all about herself.

Never going to be president.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2564099]"Memorial Day is a federal holiday in the United States for honoring and mourning the military personnel who have died in the performance of their military duties while serving in the United States Armed Forces. The holiday is observed on the last Monday of May. " (Wikipedia).

Well done Paulie for mentioning the reason for the holiday. Yes tomorrow is Memorial Day, Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone.

The VP, who tweeted "Enjoy the long weekend" seems to have forgotten this and has made it all about herself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2563942]Last I checked You simply aren't educated, And once again White Supremacists represent our greatest domestic terrorist threat[/QUOTE]Last we checked, your bogeymen white supremacists exist exclusively as a figment of your imagination and as a projection of your fears. Have they formulated and articulated their supremacist program, you know, a gamatria where they brand all their enemies as Esau and Amalek and consign them to extermination in the world to come?

The reality is there is no left-right conflict. The battle is waged by the Center against whichever the Left or Right is deemed the greater threat to its hegemony. Anyone recollect the mid-60's to early 70's where the government was hunting down Leftists and Black Panthers? When they murdered Fred Hampton for having the audacity to stand up for his people? Fast forward and now we have the Center pushing back against the Right. Same process, just keeping the play inside the forty-yard lines.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2563949]My bad, Nixon won the California Senate election of 1950, and won the state in the presidential elections of 1960, 1968 and 1972, but he did indeed lose the 1962 gubernatorial election. An early case of leftwing media bias, back when people believed what they saw and read in the media. And of course, Pat Brown wasn't advocating open borders, defunding the police, disarming the population, and ranting about "white supremacy", whatever that is.[/QUOTE]Since you obviously believe what you write as gospel, why not back it up with sources?

Please post a link to any US politician saying that they wanted "Open borders". The politician must use the specific words "I support open borders".

Please post a link to any legislation in the us that has physically removed guns from the population.

I guarantee that you can find neither.

As to your "white supremacy, whatever that is" remark, the only thing I can say is that the only people who don't know what "white supremacy" is are "white supremacists".

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2564099]"Memorial Day is a federal holiday in the United States for honoring and mourning the military personnel who have died in the performance of their military duties while serving in the United States Armed Forces. The holiday is observed on the last Monday of May. " (Wikipedia).

Well done Paulie for mentioning the reason for the holiday. Yes tomorrow is Memorial Day, Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone.

The VP, who tweeted "Enjoy the long weekend" seems to have forgotten this and has made it all about herself.[/QUOTE]Since when is wishing ones twitter followers a good time ahead of a long weekend entirely selfish? As usual there are parties and cookouts all over the place. Yea failure to mention Memorial Day was a mistake that was corrected in a follow up tweet. Is regrettable that Trump hasn't taken any responsibility for his draft dodge, coercion & intimidation of election officials, and his role in the January 6th insurrection, all extremely disrespectful to American principles and especially our fallen heroes. Strain out gnats, swallow camels, that is wingnut media.

P.S. Do also enjoy your long weekend. I'm definitely enjoying mine.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2564117]Since you obviously believe what you write as gospel, why not back it up with sources?

Please post a link to any US politician saying that they wanted "Open borders". The politician must use the specific words "I support open borders".

Please post a link to any legislation in the us that has physically removed guns from the population.

I guarantee that you can find neither.

As to your "white supremacy, whatever that is" remark, the only thing I can say is that the only people who don't know what "white supremacy" is are "white supremacists".[/QUOTE]As you surely noticed his arguments are very basic, barstool bigotry, the Jews this, the blacks and browns that, the sky is falling, etc. These are the simplistic and misleading themes Trump used to establish his base of which he is one. There are no sources for any of this besides wingnut blogs but he doesn't want to link those. Regular Fox media generally doesn't publish the big exaggerations and lies as they are too easy to disprove. That's all reserved for the propaganda hours at night, but then you'd need to record the show. Plus who would want to quote Tucker Carlson in a serious discussion? LOL.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2564099]Yes tomorrow is Memorial Day, Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone.

The VP, who tweeted "Enjoy the long weekend" seems to have forgotten this and has made it all about herself.[/QUOTE]Correct, "tomorrow" is Memorial Day. Had she got on twitter tomorrow and said only "Enjoy your Monday" then that would be a big deal. Yea it's also a long weekend, start of summer, party time, few are currently somber meditating on the sacrifices of our fallen soldiers. That's tomorrow, and it's ironic indeed any acting sanctimonious who supported a traitor like Trump, for reasons already noted. Strain out gnats, swallow camels. I love that saying. Wink.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2564099]"Memorial Day is a federal holiday in the United States for honoring and mourning the military personnel who have died in the performance of their military duties while serving in the United States Armed Forces. The holiday is observed on the last Monday of May. " (Wikipedia).

Well done Paulie for mentioning the reason for the holiday. Yes tomorrow is Memorial Day, Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone.

The VP, who tweeted "Enjoy the long weekend" seems to have forgotten this and has made it all about herself.[/QUOTE]Of course she did. She is a typical self-centred ho who sucked and fucked a married man 30 years older than her to get her break. In a sane world she wouldn't have got past the stripper pole.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2563982] Show me the videos of Biden trailing off and forgetting what he was going to say. [/QUOTE][URL]https://www.the-sun.com/news/2581364/joe-biden-walks-away-before-end-press-conference/[/URL]

"CONFUSED Joe Biden completely forgot what he was talking about and mumbled incoherently at the camera before walking away from the podium mid-question in an excruciating press conference.

The president took questions from reporters for the first time on Thursday afternoon, but quickly began to make mistakes.

AS he finished answering a question about filibuster, Biden appeared to trail off-thought, ending with a pause, concluding "anyway."

". If you hold near and dear to you that you uh um like to be able to um. " Biden said, before concluding "anyway."

Biden then closed his eyes and appeared to struggle to form the next sentence.

However, after seconds of confusion, he quickly told reassured viewers "we're ready to get a lot done."

He then appeared to call out a name from a list of White House reporters who were quizzing the president.

Going back to his list at a later point of the conference, Biden asked "where am I" before asking CNN's Kaitlan Collins for another question.

The struggles came just days after the president was filmed falling three times on the steps of Air Force One today before flying to Georgia.

Worrying footage showed the president, 78, tripping on the stairs just months after injuring his foot."

That's just one of many examples out there, as you know.

What is also relevant is that while Trump was out speaking publicly and doing press conferences pretty much every day, Biden is seen less often than an ailing soviet dictator. He didn't even do his first press conference for months, and the questions and reporters were all vetted ahead of time so he was trained on exactly what to say. He even had extra large photos in the binder on his podium so he knew who to ask. Despite hiding him away, his handlers cannot hide the fact that he is physically and mentally failing, and unfit to run America (which is why he is not running it in reality).

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564044]how many people has Antifa killed in the last 25 years? [/QUOTE]Multiple people were killed in the CHAZ / CHOP / whatever the hell you want to call the lawless so-called autonomous zones that antifa communists set up. Furthermore even the far-left fake news Guardian reported on Aaron Danielson, who was murdered by antifa after a Trump rally. Here are some more of the dead: [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/deadly-unrest-people-have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us[/URL].

Let us not forget that antifa attempted to barricade and burn down police precincts with officers still inside.

Princeton University (hardly a haven of right-wing activity) released a study in early September last year showing 570 antifa / BLM protests turned violent. The number now will of course be far higher.

[URL]https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/08/new-study-shows-majority-of-blm-protests-turned-violent-n2575801[/URL]

And the total damage done by BLM / antifa riots topped $2 bn.

P.S. The fact you actually try to pass off Media Matters as a legit source is hilarious.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2564117]Since you obviously believe what you write as gospel, why not back it up with sources?

Please post a link to any US politician saying that they wanted "Open borders". The politician must use the specific words "I support open borders".

Please post a link to any legislation in the us that has physically removed guns from the population.

I guarantee that you can find neither.

As to your "white supremacy, whatever that is" remark, the only thing I can say is that the only people who don't know what "white supremacy" is are "white supremacists".[/QUOTE]Watch what they do, not what they say. The democrats are slippery liars who know full well that the majority of the population wants to hugely restrict immigration. If they came out publicly for open borders they wouldn't even be able to win one of their rigged elections, never mind a free and fair one, so they couch their words and are covered for by the fake news.

But look at the reality. There is a rush on the border. Biden's handlers have crippled the border patrol and blocked ICE from carrying out immigration raids and enforcing the law. They have imposed a de facto open border policy. You know all of this perfectly well of course.

Red flag laws are another slippery way to disarm people. Anyone with a grudge against any individual can make a claim against them, and then the person has to go through an endless and costly process to get his weapons back. There are also various state and local laws in democrat run states which abridge citizens' second amendment rights, IE Illinois with FOID and concealed carry permits, no open carry, expensive fees etc.

Of course, as we see in Chicago, Illinois, it doesn't make a difference to the shootings that happen every week there. But the democrats don't care about urban black gang shootings committed largely with handguns. They want to disarm conservative white suburban and rural people, which is why they and their fake news never shut up about the AR-15, despite the fact that handguns are used in far more murders in America.

Finally, the democrats and the fake news refuse to define this "white supremacy" thing that they are always whining about. One would think that strange: if you're going to complain endlessly about something, you really ought to let people know what it is. Maybe you could do it PVMonger: define "white supremacy".

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564210]As you surely noticed his arguments are very basic, barstool bigotry, the Jews this, the blacks and browns that, the sky is falling, etc. These are the simplistic and misleading themes Trump used to establish his base of which he is one. There are no sources for any of this besides wingnut blogs but he doesn't want to link those. Regular Fox media generally doesn't publish the big exaggerations and lies as they are too easy to disprove. That's all reserved for the propaganda hours at night, but then you'd need to record the show. Plus who would want to quote Tucker Carlson in a serious discussion? LOL.[/QUOTE]Aaaaand. No links, or even purported facts, or even any of the supposed "exaggerations". Just more leftist verbal diarrhea, as we're sadly used to by now.

Who would want to quote Tucker Carlson? Perhaps the millions of people who make his show the most watched in cable news history. And often top-rated in all cable TV?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564268][URL]https://www.the-sun.com/news/2581364/joe-biden-walks-away-before-end-press-conference/[/URL]

"CONFUSED Joe Biden completely forgot what he was talking about and mumbled incoherently at the camera before walking away from the podium mid-question in an excruciating press conference.

The president took questions from reporters for the first time on Thursday afternoon, but quickly began to make mistakes.

AS he finished answering a question about filibuster, Biden appeared to trail off-thought, ending with a pause, concluding "anyway."

". If you hold near and dear to you that you uh um like to be able to um. " Biden said, before concluding "anyway."

Biden then closed his eyes and appeared to struggle to form the next sentence.

However, after seconds of confusion, he quickly told reassured viewers "we're ready to get a lot done."

He then appeared to call out a name from a list of White House reporters who were quizzing the president.

Going back to his list at a later point of the conference, Biden asked "where am I" before asking CNN's Kaitlan Collins for another question..[/QUOTE]And this press conference sent more people to the hospital than Donnie suggesting that people inject disinfectant and shove lightbulbs up their asses?

Who cares if Donnie gave lots of press conferences. He didn't utter a complete sentence unless he was reading (in a monotone fashion) from a teleprompter. Otherwise he sounded like a third grader (my apologies to third graders worldwide).

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2563808][URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/12/04/no-atlanta-didnt-count-ballots-in-secret-or-in-suitcases/?sh=edb7e14e5a42[/URL].

You don't care one iota about the integrity of the election. If you did, you'd ask questions like "Can we trust the down-ballot vote counts?" or "How come there's no fraud in Houston, Columbus, etc? In truth, all you really care about is perpetuating "the election was stolen" nonsense.[/QUOTE]Shit, are you fucking kidding me? This is as bad as the lies about the supposed debunked Wuhan lab conspiracy.

"Plus, the state investigator told Lead Stories that partisan election observers were never told to leave the counting room on election night, but instead left voluntarily after some staff members went home."

The video clearly shows a woman enter the room and everyone save for four people leaving. They did not leave voluntarily. The counters put tarps over the ballot boxes. It was clear as day everyone was told to leave. Do you really think all of them up and left on their own at the same time without being told?

"An independent state-appointed monitor was also present during vote-counting in Atlanta, and did not find any indications of illegal counting, a spokesperson for the Secretary of State's office told Forbes."

That is half-true. The Republicans were gone for 2 and a a half hours, and this state monitor came back and watched an hour before Republicans did. That again is a bullshit excuse, political spin.

"Nothing we have learned from the independent monitor or our investigation have suggested any improper ballots were scanned," the Georgia Secretary of State's office said in a statement to Forbes.

How do you learn anything unless people were deposed? Republican counters were told to leave. There is no disputing that fact. They were told to leave, left, saw votes being counted, and came back. One Republican counter saw votes going 55 to 1 for Biden from a long term care facility, and a Republican monitor disputed the veracity of the ballots. The independent monitor did not verify if said ballots were accurate. All he did was say, "Gee, duh, the ballots look okay to me." The ballots look okay to me does not cut it with me. Oh, and the Republican counter who objected was fired from her job.

You can spin this bullshit any way you want, but time and again in state after state, Republican counters were kicked out and prevented from watching the vote. Whether that made any difference or not, I cannot say and you cannot say, but you Democratic douches with your arrogance and certainty annoy the piss out of me.

Just because Trump said the virus leaked from a lab, all you Democratic douches rushed to judgment and said it did not. These same piece of shit journalists who were saying there was no way Covid came from a lab and banned anyone from Facebook, Google, and Twitter who said otherwise are saying the election was not rigged. I saw with my own eyes Republican counters kicked out on video. What was the ballot count when the Republican monitors were kicked out? Show me it is 50-50 and I will shut up. Show me it is 55-1 for Biden and you are a moron if you do not think the election was rigged.

Well, legally Republican monitors did not have to be there? That is your fucking excuse? Your bullshit article does not even lie like the other leftist papers that says there was a communication error.

How did the virus leaking from a lab go from being a debunked conspiracy theory to being the likely etiology of the pandemic? You and your media geniuses were so certain Trump was wrong about that. Weren't there all these experts who swore that it was not possible that the virus leaked from a lab? Why are the people swearing there was no fraud any different than the "scientists" who insisted the Covid virus could not come from a lab?

I repeat, what was the ballot count when Republican monitors were not around? That is all that matters. All the rest is bullshit spin.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564268][URL]https://www.the-sun.com/news/2581364/joe-biden-walks-away-before-end-press-conference/[/URL]

"CONFUSED Joe Biden completely forgot what he was talking about and mumbled incoherently at the camera before walking away from the podium mid-question in an excruciating press conference.

The president took questions from reporters for the first time on Thursday afternoon, but quickly began to make mistakes.

AS he finished answering a question about filibuster, Biden appeared to trail off-thought, ending with a pause, concluding "anyway."

". If you hold near and dear to you that you uh um like to be able to um. " Biden said, before concluding "anyway."

Biden then closed his eyes and appeared to struggle to form the next sentence.

However, after seconds of confusion, he quickly told reassured viewers "we're ready to get a lot done."

He then appeared to call out a name from a list of White House reporters who were quizzing the president.

Going back to his list at a later point of the conference, Biden asked "where am I" before asking CNN's Kaitlan Collins for another question.

The struggles came just days after the president was filmed falling three times on the steps of Air Force One today before flying to Georgia.

Worrying footage showed the president, 78, tripping on the stairs just months after injuring his foot."

That's just one of many examples out there, as you know.

What is also relevant is that while Trump was out speaking publicly and doing press conferences pretty much every day, Biden is seen less often than an ailing soviet dictator. He didn't even do his first press conference for months, and the questions and reporters were all vetted ahead of time so he was trained on exactly what to say. He even had extra large photos in the binder on his podium so he knew who to ask. Despite hiding him away, his handlers cannot hide the fact that he is physically and mentally failing, and unfit to run America (which is why he is not running it in reality).[/QUOTE]No, I do not know that there are many out there. In fact, that is exactly the one I mentioned and dismissed in my post and likely the only one the "Biden has dimentia!" crowd feels comfortable to share.

It is clearly exactly what I described. Biden realizes he is about to go on a side topic, "teaching" the press how to get things done, decides it is not the time and place for this lesson and merely goes back to the original question, closes it and proceeds to take the next questions that he answers more fully and intelligently than Trump ever did in the past 5 years.

Zero evidence of dimentia.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564408]No, I do not know that there are many out there. In fact, that is exactly the one I mentioned and dismissed in my post and likely the only one the "Biden has dimentia!" crowd feels comfortable to share.

It is clearly exactly what I described. Biden realizes he is about to go on a side topic, "teaching" the press how to get things done, decides it is not the time and place for this lesson and merely goes back to the original question, closes it and proceeds to take the next questions that he answers more fully and intelligently than Trump ever did in the past 5 years.

Zero evidence of dimentia.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but you're delusional. The problem with American politics today is that no one listens or tries to understand the other side. Both sides are consistently wrong however they are also consistently right. However very few people will acknowledge that. I never liked Trump and I don't like Biden. I think 20 years ago Biden was a pretty good Democrat and politician. Today I think he is too heavily influenced by progressives around him. He definitely has dementia just like Trump was way over his head. I will admit that I liked a few of the things that Trump did although not many. I'm still waiting on something that I like that Biden has done but given the short amount of time that he has been in office I'm still hopeful that he will.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2564440]I'm sorry but you're delusional. The problem with American politics today is that no one listens or tries to understand the other side. Both sides are consistently wrong however they are also consistently right. However very few people will acknowledge that. I never liked Trump and I don't like Biden. I think 20 years ago Biden was a pretty good Democrat and politician. Today I think he is too heavily influenced by progressives around him. He definitely has dementia just like Trump was way over his head. I will admit that I liked a few of the things that Trump did although not many. I'm still waiting on something that I like that Biden has done but given the short amount of time that he has been in office I'm still hopeful that he will.[/QUOTE]And where are the clips of all the incidents where Biden displays evidence of dementia during any of the live debates for the 2020 nomination and against Trump?

Idiot Trump obviously fell for the "Biden has dementia!" BS fed to him by loony Rudy or some other desperate Trump handler and tried mightily to growl, interrupt and bully him into falling into some evidence of it.

But he couldn't do it. Instead, Trump is the one who came off like a mentally deranged clown. Not surprising.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564408]Zero evidence of dimentia.[/QUOTE]That is because you do not want to see it. I have an uncle who now suffers from the same form of dementia as Joe Biden. At times he is totally coherent and rational, able to carry on a conversation. At other times he barely knows where he is or what decade it is and may launch into his concern about packing his suitcase for an important business meeting he is supposed to have in NYC the following morning.

There are hundreds of examples of Joe Biden's diminished capacity. How else do you explain his sudden conversion from law-and-order middle of the road Joe as late as 2013 to radical no border, America is racist Antifa / BLM Joe today. American Embassies around the world actually flew BLM flags today. Do you really think Joe Biden knows anything about this? Or knows about the chaos on the Southern border?

And did Joe suddenly wake up one morning with an epiphany on the level of Saul of Tarsus (St. Paul)'s epiphany and see the error of his thinking over 40 years in elected office or is he suffering from dementia and now does whatever his radical handlers ask him to do understanding little of what he is signing and allowing to happen?

And why do his people not allow the questioning of the President? And if you really want to understand Joe's mental condition all you have to do is check his daily schedule and compare it to Trump's or Obama's daily schedule. Biden literally does nothing all day.

But whatever you or I think about Joe Biden, the man, is irrelevant. The undeniable fact is the Biden Administration is the most radical in American History and it threatens the very essence of our democracy. Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and the Freedom to pursue the American Dream is on the chopping block. I know you don't see this either.

BTW, congrats on your CA real estate investments. It is good to know that at heart you are a capitalist. 555. The trick now will be holding onto your after-tax savings (wealth). The Joe Biden Administration will be coming for it. Good luck.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564444]And where are the clips of all the incidents where Biden displays evidence of dementia during any of the live debates for the 2020 nomination and against Trump?

Idiot Trump obviously fell for the "Biden has dementia!" BS fed to him by loony Rudy or some other desperate Trump handler and tried mightily to growl, interrupt and bully him into falling into some evidence of it.

But he couldn't do it. Instead, Trump is the one who came off like a mentally deranged clown. Not surprising.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry I didn't realize that you were only talking about the election. I was talking about since he has been in Ofiice.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2564464]I'm sorry I didn't realize that you were only talking about the election. I was talking about since he has been in Ofiice.[/QUOTE]So you think he went from winning every debate against Trump that Trump wasn't too much of a coward to show up for into a senile old man with dementia within 7 months?

Well, then a majority of the American people clearly prefer the actions, words and results of Biden in these past 7 months of senility and dementia than Trump under any condition throughout his entire so-called presidency.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564474]So you think he went from winning every debate against Trump that Trump wasn't too much of a coward to show up for into a senile old man with dementia within 7 months?

Well, then a majority of the American people clearly prefer the actions, words and results of Biden in these past 7 months of senility and dementia than Trump under any condition throughout his entire so-called presidency.[/QUOTE]Dude I don't know why you keep trying to compare Biden to Trump that's an awful low mark. I'm not a Trump supporter I already said that I don't like Trump. Being better than Trump is no way to measure a president. It just makes you look foolish. You wouldn't admit to Biden making a mistake or doing something wrong because you're a grass roots democrat and will blindly support anything that he does. I'm not democrat or republican. I'm a fiscal conservative not a social conservative. Some conservatives think I'm too liberal and most liberals think I'm too conservative. I do however try to listen to viewpoints on all sides and form my own opinion.

Biden has dementia the only debate is how bad it is.

Exactly. Pathetic.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2564476]Biden has dementia the only debate is how bad it is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2564476]Dude I don't know why you keep trying to compare Biden to Trump that's an awful low mark. I'm not a Trump supporter I already said that I don't like Trump. Being better than Trump is no way to measure a president. It just makes you look foolish. You wouldn't admit to Biden making a mistake or doing something wrong because you're a grass roots democrat and will blindly support anything that he does. I'm not democrat or republican. I'm a fiscal conservative not a social conservative. Some conservatives think I'm too liberal and most liberals think I'm too conservative. I do however try to listen to viewpoints on all sides and form my own opinion.

Biden has dementia the only debate is how bad it is.[/QUOTE]Not being trump is what the US needs right now. The majority of the population is glad to wake up and not have to hear about Donnie's 3-am-while-taking-a-shit rage tweets.

And don't prattle on with the "what has Biden done" BS. Republicans (especially in the Senate) will filibuster everything the Democrats propose, then Republican voters will lap up the Republican "see, they didn't do anything" rhetoric. And no, Republicans don't want bipartisanship. In fact, Biden is Charlie Brown, Republicans are Lucy and bipartisanship is the football.

And if Biden has dementia, how come Donnie didn't wipe the floor with him during the debates? After all, somebody with dementia can't remember where they live, let alone issues.

Face it, Biden hasn't acted like somebody with dementia. Trump, however, acted like somebody who couldn't string 5 or 6 words together to form a single coherent thought. Case in point [URL]https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2020/8/13/21367815/trump-not-biden-corners-the-market-on-gaffes-gene-lyons[/URL].

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564444]And where are the clips of all the incidents where Biden displays evidence of dementia during any of the live debates for the 2020 nomination and against Trump?

Idiot Trump obviously fell for the "Biden has dementia!" BS fed to him by loony Rudy or some other desperate Trump handler and tried mightily to growl, interrupt and bully him into falling into some evidence of it.

But he couldn't do it. Instead, Trump is the one who came off like a mentally deranged clown. Not surprising.[/QUOTE]Very well stated.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2564535]And if Biden has dementia, how come Donnie didn't wipe the floor with him during the debates? After all, somebody with dementia can't remember where they live, let alone issues.[/QUOTE]And of course do not ever expect these points to be addressed. The first debate especially was a beatdown of the highest order, Trump thrown into full on panic mode.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2564476]Dude I don't know why you keep trying to compare Biden to Trump that's an awful low mark. I'm not a Trump supporter I already said that I don't like Trump. Being better than Trump is no way to measure a president. It just makes you look foolish. You wouldn't admit to Biden making a mistake or doing something wrong because you're a grass roots democrat and will blindly support anything that he does. I'm not democrat or republican. I'm a fiscal conservative not a social conservative. Some conservatives think I'm too liberal and most liberals think I'm too conservative. I do however try to listen to viewpoints on all sides and form my own opinion.

Biden has dementia the only debate is how bad it is.[/QUOTE]Why? Because Trump would get 75 million votes TODAY from his lemming base if the election were held today. And if he finds himself in a federal prison in 2024 and doesn't run again there will be another Repub running just as anti American democracy as Trump is but not nearly so stupid as to commit as many unforced errors as he did on the way to dismantling American democracy, identifying, embracing and developing their Party's patented next "Once in 100 Years Disaster!" for the country and the world.

Yes, I know being a better POTUS than Trump is the lowest bar imaginable. But in case you hadn't noticed these low bar Repubs can and do further rig the already pro-Repub rigged system to squeeze out narrow victories anyway despite losing the vote primarily through every Dem voter suppression tactic they and Putin can come up with.

The most important one being voter apathy, the idea that your vote really doesn't matter, might as well not bother.

Which, btw, your classic pro-Repub "Bothsiderism" plays into perfectly and helps the Trumpiest failed Repubs win elections by those narrow margins just as surely as if you marched into the voting booth and punched the ballot according to every Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Vladimir Putin wish.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564566]And of course do not ever expect these points to be addressed. The first debate especially was a beatdown of the highest order, Trump thrown into full on panic mode.[/QUOTE]Biden just delivered a 20-30 minute speech at the annual Memorial Day ceremony at Arlington Cemerary and he was letter perfect, conveying every nuanced literal and emotional understanding of every sentence, phrase, word and syllable. He read it as all presidents do and I am sure it was at least partially written by speech writers as is the case with other presidents. But it was blatantly obvious he understood everything that was written by him and others and brought as much if not more meaning to the ideas and words on the page and teleprompter as the best presidents of the past.

Oh, he cleared his throat 2-3 times during the lengthy outdoor speech and, naturally, excused himself on the run after one of them. So I fully expect FOX News to carefully edit a 4 second video clip of just the throat clearing and his brief apology to prove to its viewers that "Biden has dementia! And COVID! And now he is on a Dem Apology For America Tour!" that will be brought up and linked here.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2564447]...
BTW, congrats on your CA real estate investments. It is good to know that at heart you are a capitalist. 555. The trick now will be holding onto your after-tax savings (wealth). The Joe Biden Administration will be coming for it. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Some of the main reasons I vote Dem and never Repub now is because I much prefer the way Dems cut taxes and overall costs re increased income for me and appreciate the countless times Dems have rescued and recovered American Capitalism from typically horrific and disastrous Repub economic mishandling of it.

And if "sudden conversions" are a sign of dementia then Trump's sudden conversion from openly acknowledging the well documented fact that the U.S. economy does better under Dems than Repubs just in time to ride down that escalator and announce his Repub Party candidacy must have been very troubling to you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564598]Oh, he cleared his throat 2-3 times during the lengthy outdoor speech and, naturally, excused himself on the run after one of them. So I fully expect FOX News to carefully edit a 4 second video clip of just the throat clearing and his brief apology to prove to its viewers that "Biden has dementia! And COVID! And now he is on a Dem Apology For America Tour!" that will be brought up and linked here.[/QUOTE]CNN is certainly left leaning but Fox isn't even a news service. It's tabloid.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564610]Some of the main reasons I vote Dem and never Repub now is because I much prefer the way Dems cut taxes and overall costs re increased income for me and appreciate the countless times Dems have rescued and recovered American Capitalism from typically horrific and disastrous Repub economic mishandling of it.

And if "sudden conversions" are a sign of dementia then Trump's sudden conversion from openly acknowledging the well documented fact that the U.S. economy does better under Dems than Repubs just in time to ride down that escalator and announce his Repub Party candidacy must have been very troubling to you.[/QUOTE]I do not understand what you are talking about. It's like we live in two parallel but opposite universes. Dem tax cuts huh? Where, when? JFK? Trump's sudden conversion to who's (your) well documented yada yada yada. Sorry, no offense, but you lose me with your circular logic. Where did you get your graduate degree in Economics if I may be so bold?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2564114]Last we checked, your bogeymen white supremacists exist exclusively as a figment of your imagination and as a projection of your fears. Have they formulated and articulated their supremacist program, you know, a gamatria where they brand all their enemies as Esau and Amalek and consign them to extermination in the world to come?[/QUOTE]PVmonger had the best reply to this one, and I'll paraphrase, the only people who think white supremacists don't exist are uh, white supremacists. With few exceptions that's what it boils down to. This as golfinho dives into his standard whataboutism, but he usually wants to talk about Antifa. What happened to that? Wink. This time it's straight to the Anti-Semitism we've witnessed before, alluding to the ancient Jews and the Torah, though in the afterlife portion he seems to be confusing some Christian themes.

At your suggestion, and "last we checked," the kill score remains the same, right wing extremists 329, Antifa 0. That's what has the wingnuts all ruffled. Their go to whataboutism has been ripped from their clutches.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7[/URL]

The former also represents our greatest domestic terrorist threat.

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

If you'd take a break from the fallacies of the Anti-Semite, failed academic E. Michael Jones and read some legit history you'll find that white supremacism begins to find real expression in the Enlightenment with top down racial categories and pseudo-science like phrenology and craniometry, which all over time has served as a basis for subjugation, through cultural motifs, law, and violence. Portions of this still exist while there's resistance to change. There's also been plenty of pseudo-science directed at Jews, related to physical characteristics, etc. So you Anti-Semites could get in on the act.

White supremacism doesn't exist. That and racism don't exist, are just a figment of the imagination. Arguments like that are usually best ignored, because they have no more credibility than the babblings of a guy who needs his antipsychotic meds adjusted. They rightly will never be part of the national discussion. But occasionally it might pay to remind what's behind golfinho, who pops in occasionally, laughably acting abstruse pretending like he's educated when of course he isn't.

/[URL]www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/E-Michael-Jones.pdf[/URL].

Simply hilarious, you can't make this stuff up.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/capitol-rioter-s-attorney-calls-him-dumb-who-believed-what-he-heard-on-fox-news/ar-AAKzu3q?ocid=msedgdhp[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Multiple people were killed in the CHAZ / CHOP / whatever the hell you want to call the lawless so-called autonomous zones that antifa communists set up.[/QUOTE]You can red bait until the cows come home but just shows you as ill educated. Your typical Antifa member follows Anarchism, abolish prisons and police forces etc, very different than Communism, and different than the Fascism you tried to pin them with. I mean I know since they call themselves Anti-Fascists that you want to do the third grader "No you are the Fascist!" but it's not third grade anymore. Plus anyone who stayed awake even half the time in high school history class knows that the founders of Fascism didn't go around advocating for women's liberation, gay rights, racial equality and the abolishment of police and prisons. Anarchist is bad enough, so why not make yourself sound smarter by calling them what they are?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Furthermore even the far-left fake news Guardian reported on Aaron Danielson, who was murdered by antifa after a Trump rally. [/QUOTE]Post the link to the Guardian story. Most reliable sources say he was "security for BLM. " A lot of wingnut blogs say the assailant was also connected to Antifa. Regardless the best case scenario is you can chalk up one for your column, so it would still be 329 for the wingnuts, 1 for Antifa. You're still comprehensively fucked.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Here are some more of the dead: https://www.foxnews.com/us/deadly-unrest-people-have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us.[/QUOTE]17 deaths nationwide surrounding protests, deaths by what cause? And your own source contradicts you. Fox admits the circumstances were "murky. " I posted a few thorough articles analyzing these deaths about a week ago.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Let us not forget that antifa attempted to barricade and burn down police precincts with officers still inside.[/QUOTE]Two buffoons burned an awning and were caught, and the score remains the same, 329-0.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]Princeton University (hardly a haven of right-wing activity) released a study in early September last year showing 570 antifa / BLM protests turned violent. The number now will of course be far higher.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/08/new-study-shows-majority-of-blm-protests-turned-violent-n2575801 [/QUOTE]LOL See what happens when you just cut and paste off a wingnut blog? They didn't read the Princeton study and of course neither did you.

This is from the actual study, page 5.

The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent.

(see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement.

Demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported.

In over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations, meanwhile, have.

Been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful.

Protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest.

Since Floyd's killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than.

Dispersed throughout the city.

We can add to this that much of the looting related activity has not been connected to BLMs but what appears to be opportunists. Such is a common phenomenon around protests. But yea, 93% of all demonstrations peaceful. So much for this mob of black males rushing to the burbs frothing at the mouth and raping and killing all your daughters. LOL The sky is not falling man. And I'll take an Ivy League study any day of the week over wingnut blogs and Tucker Carlson. So would any other reasonable and educated person. Thanks for directing me to that.

[URL]https://acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/ACLED_USDataReview_Sum2020_SeptWebPDF.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]And the total damage done by BLM / antifa riots topped $2 bn. [/QUOTE]Source please?

What were the damages here? How many dead?

[URL]https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/oklahoma-city-bombing[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564273]The fact you actually try to pass off Media Matters as a legit source is hilarious.[/QUOTE]This while sourcing Fox and a wingnut blog regarding the so called Biden dementia, and while lying about the content of your linked sources, claiming support when the content contradicts you. Hilarious indeed. Media Matters actually critiques both left and right wing sources.

Antifa violent? Of course at times, but hardly deadly. And the fact that you are working overtime trying to prove just one kill proves volumes. Also much of the violence has involved clashes with violent counter protestors. Two sides showed up for a fight.

329-0 wow. DHS and all reasonable people resoundingly agree that the extremists on your end of the spectrum are the much greater threat. That's how it is and how it will be, no matter how much smoke and mirrors you toss up. On the plus side your posted some sources, Fox and wingnut blogs, misrepresentations of the content therein, but it's progress. A step up from the no sources at all of your prior MO.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564566]And of course do not ever expect these points to be addressed. The first debate especially was a beatdown of the highest order, Trump thrown into full on panic mode.[/QUOTE]Of course. I won't hold my breath waiting for trumpers to say anything intelligent. All they've got are Donnie's and Tucker's talking points, none of which make sense.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564598]Biden just delivered a 20-30 minute speech at the annual Memorial Day ceremony at Arlington Cemerary and he was letter perfect, conveying every nuanced literal and emotional understanding of every sentence, phrase, word and syllable. He read it as all presidents do and I am sure it was at least partially written by speech writers as is the case with other presidents. But it was blatantly obvious he understood everything that was written by him and others and brought as much if not more meaning to the ideas and words on the page and teleprompter as the best presidents of the past.

Oh, he cleared his throat 2-3 times during the lengthy outdoor speech and, naturally, excused himself on the run after one of them. [b]So I fully expect FOX News to carefully edit a 4 second video clip of just the throat clearing and his brief apology to prove to its viewers that "Biden has dementia! And COVID! And now he is on a Dem Apology For America Tour!" that will be brought up and linked here.[/b][/QUOTE]Don't forget OANN and InfoWars and the rest of the right-wingnut media. They'd have a field day with such a clip and the sheep would lap it up.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564610]Some of the main reasons I vote Dem and never Repub now is because I much prefer the way Dems cut taxes and overall costs re increased income for me and appreciate the countless times Dems have rescued and recovered American Capitalism from typically horrific and disastrous Repub economic mishandling of it.

And if "sudden conversions" are a sign of dementia then Trump's sudden conversion from openly acknowledging the well documented fact that the U.S. economy does better under Dems than Repubs just in time to ride down that escalator and announce his Repub Party candidacy must have been very troubling to you.[/QUOTE]Just when I thought the dumb on this site couldn't get any dumber here comes this post. Trump lowered taxes for every one. Biden is stopping Trump tax cuts and raising them even higher. Biden has said this over and over on every news outlet. Do you feel important when you make up this crap?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564598]Biden just delivered a 20-30 minute speech at the annual Memorial Day ceremony at Arlington Cemerary and he was letter perfect, conveying every nuanced literal and emotional understanding of every sentence, phrase, word and syllable. He read it as all presidents do and I am sure it was at least partially written by speech writers as is the case with other presidents. But it was blatantly obvious he understood everything that was written by him and others and brought as much if not more meaning to the ideas and words on the page and teleprompter as the best presidents of the past.

Oh, he cleared his throat 2-3 times during the lengthy outdoor speech and, naturally, excused himself on the run after one of them. So I fully expect FOX News to carefully edit a 4 second video clip of just the throat clearing and his brief apology to prove to its viewers that "Biden has dementia! And COVID! And now he is on a Dem Apology For America Tour!" that will be brought up and linked here.[/QUOTE]Biden speech was a joke. It wasn't his speech. He read it off a teleprompter like a five year old kid reading his speech in front of his classmates. Someone wrote it for him and he read it. He probably doesn't even know what it said. Looked like an idiot.

[QUOTE=Canada;2564808]Just when I thought the dumb on this site couldn't get any dumber here comes this post. Trump lowered taxes for every one. Biden is stopping Trump tax cuts and raising them even higher. Biden has said this over and over on every news outlet. Do you feel important when you make up this crap?[/QUOTE]Trump lowered taxes permanently for corporations and super wealthy and temporarily for lower income margins while at the same time making some of the worst economic decisions in the history of the world that wiped out millions of jobs in the USA alone.

Factor in all the USA jobs lost under Repub presidential economic "stewardship" of the past 100 years right up to and including Trump and it is probably in negative territory without a single net gain USA job but plenty Trillion$ in deficit spending required to pull us out of their typical Crashes, Depressions and Great Recessions. Which must be paid back somewhere, somehow by somebody.

Seriously. Look at the number of USA jobs created under Repub presidents of the past 100 years vs the number their idiotic and insufferably repeated failed policies lost and it is quite possible the wonderful "tax cutting" Trump finally pushed his Party solidly into net LOSS results.

That speaks volumes about your beloved Repub tax cutting policy effectiveness and their amazing penchant for making the worst economic decisions at the worst possible times.

Crap like that has never followed a Dem tax and economic policy legislation, some of which reduced tax liabilities for more Americans than any Repub ever did. And produced millions of positive net GAINED USA jobs along the way, which is by far my preference when it comes to tax and economic policy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564814]Trump lowered taxes permanently for corporations and super wealthy and temporarily for lower income margins while at the same time making some of the worst economic decisions in the history of the world that wiped out millions of jobs in the USA alone.

Factor in all the USA jobs lost under Repub presidential economic "stewardship" of the past 100 years right up to and including Trump and it is probably in negative territory without a single net gain USA job but plenty Trillion$ in deficit spending required to pull us out of their typical Crashes, Depressions and Great Recessions. Which must be paid back somewhere, somehow by somebody.

Seriously. Look at the number of USA jobs created under Repub presidents of the past 100 years vs the number their idiotic and insufferably repeated failed policies lost and it is quite possible the wonderful "tax cutting" Trump finally pushed his Party solidly into net LOSS results.

That speaks volumes about your beloved Repub tax cutting policy effectiveness and their amazing penchant for making the worst economic decisions at the worst possible times.

Crap like that has never followed a Dem tax and economic policy legislation, some of which reduced tax liabilities for more Americans than any Repub ever did. And produced millions of positive net GAINED USA jobs along the way, which is by far my preference when it comes to tax and economic policy.[/QUOTE]I am not looking at past presidents. They don't affect my life. I look at the current president and what he is doing. Biden is raising taxes on individuals and business. Biden is doing nothing for the lower income workers other than giving them high energy costs and inflation. Biden has damaged the lower income more in 100 days than Trump tax cuts saved them. Face it! Biden is a joke and will push USA so far in debt that our grandkids wouldn't be able to recover. Crises at the border, defund the police and highest crime in decades, higher taxes to drive our businesses overseas, $4 gas and record inflation and weak foreign policy. Great accomplishments in the first 100 days. Quit griping about Trump and start looking into Biden crippling our country. Where is your hate for what Biden is doing?

[QUOTE=Canada;2564845]I am not looking at past presidents. They don't affect my life. I look at the current president and what he is doing. Biden is raising taxes on individuals and business. Biden is doing nothing for the lower income workers other than giving them high energy costs and inflation. Biden has damaged the lower income more in 100 days than Trump tax cuts saved them. Face it! Biden is a joke and will push USA so far in debt that our grandkids wouldn't be able to recover. Crises at the border, defund the police and highest crime in decades, higher taxes to drive our businesses overseas, $4 gas and record inflation and weak foreign policy. Great accomplishments in the first 100 days. Quit griping about Trump and start looking into Biden crippling our country. Where is your hate for what Biden is doing?[/QUOTE]I wondered why this forum even exists? I realized it's like the grease trap on my barbeque smoker.

[QUOTE=Canada;2564845]I am not looking at past presidents. They don't affect my life. I look at the current president and what he is doing. Biden is raising taxes on individuals and business. Biden is doing nothing for the lower income workers other than giving them high energy costs and inflation. Biden has damaged the lower income more in 100 days than Trump tax cuts saved them. Face it! Biden is a joke and will push USA so far in debt that our grandkids wouldn't be able to recover. Crises at the border, defund the police and highest crime in decades, higher taxes to drive our businesses overseas, $4 gas and record inflation and weak foreign policy. Great accomplishments in the first 100 days. Quit griping about Trump and start looking into Biden crippling our country. Where is your hate for what Biden is doing?[/QUOTE]LOL. We hear these same warnings every time a Dem takes over during a colossal Repub economic disaster, which is always the case when Dems take over from outgoing Repubs but never the case when Repubs take over from outgoing Dems.

Your problem is that supposed economic disaster under the Dem never happens. LOL. Trump told us we would have a stock market crash "the likes of which nobody has ever seen!" as soon as Biden becomes president and the Orange Savior is no longer on his throne.

Still waiting for that to happen.

Meanwhile, you keep voting for disproportionately high tax cuts for corporations and the top income margins that Repubs love to enact in exchange for their inevitable Great Repub Crash and Great Repub Recessions that wipe out millions upon millions of USA jobs and sleep well in the sorely mistaken belief that Repubs cut taxes and handle the economy better than Dems. LOL.

I stopped falling for those piddling marginal tax cuts primarily for the top margins, crap for everyone else and the inevitable Great Recession and Massive Job Losses that Repubs have been peddling since forever and getting the same sub par-to-spectacularly failed results decades ago.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564281] Who would want to quote Tucker Carlson? Perhaps the millions of people who make his show the most watched in cable news history. And often top-rated in all cable TV?[/QUOTE]And your logical fallacy is:

[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Popularity[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564715]With few exceptions that's what it boils down to. This as golfinho dives into his standard whataboutism, but he usually wants to talk aboutt his time it's straight to the Anti-Semitism we've witnessed before, alluding to the ancient Jews and the Torah, though in the afterlife portion he seems to be confusing some Christian [/QUOTE]There you go -- breaking Godwin's Law 2. 0: bleating out anti-semitism and referencing ADL as your authority. LOL.

[QUOTE=Canada;2564810]Biden speech was a joke. It wasn't his speech. He read it off a teleprompter like a five year old kid reading his speech in front of his classmates. Someone wrote it for him and he read it. He probably doesn't even know what it said. Looked like an idiot.[/QUOTE]One could always tell with trump.

When the speech was on teleprompter, he read it in a monotone and at a slow pace. He sounded like he was a zombie.

When trump spoke "off the cuff", he used 1-syllable words (for his uneducated base) strung together in a disjointed fashion. He sounded like a moron.

That's the story of the trump presidency*. The US was run by a zombie moron.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564888]Meanwhile, you keep voting for disproportionately high tax cuts for corporations and the top income margins that Repubs love to enact in exchange for their inevitable Great Repub Crash and Great Repub Recessions that wipe out millions upon millions of USA jobs and sleep well in the sorely mistaken belief that Repubs cut taxes and handle the economy better than Dems. LOL.[/QUOTE]Chicken Little ism is a huge component Trumpism, as it is with the far right populist ideologues of the present age generally. Head over to Info Wars (Alex Jones) and the sky is falling every day. While there pick up some $100 fish oil and magnesium and some bullet proof vests. There a lot of $ in these gigs.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564888]LOL. We hear these same warnings every time a Dem takes over during a colossal Repub economic disaster, which is always the case when Dems take over from outgoing Repubs but never the case when Repubs take over from outgoing Dems.
The
Your problem is that supposed economic disaster under the Dem never happens. LOL. Trump told us we would have a stock market crash "the likes of which nobody has ever seen!" as soon as Biden becomes president and the Orange Savior is no longer on his throne.

Still waiting for that to happen.

Meanwhile, you keep voting for disproportionately high tax cuts for corporations and the top income margins that Repubs love to enact in exchange for their inevitable Great Repub Crash and Great Repub Recessions that wipe out millions upon millions of USA jobs and sleep well in the sorely mistaken belief that Repubs cut taxes and handle the economy better than Dems. LOL.

I stopped falling for those piddling marginal tax cuts primarily for the top margins, crap for everyone else and the inevitable Great Recession and Massive Job Losses that Repubs have been peddling since forever and getting the same sub par-to-spectacularly failed results decades ago.[/QUOTE]Fortunately Biden has done nothing yet in his first 4 months so the market and business are still profiting from Trump presidency. Biden like other past democratic presidents will raise taxes on the companies and the companies like Apple will just move their money overseas and we will collect less taxes. History will repeat itself. If Biden does nothing which there is a good chance he will then the economy will boom like the Trump presidency. Biden is to worried about giving money away than trying to build business back up. Wait for the big sell off of stocks if Biden raises capital gain and dividend stocks. But most of you liberals don't have stocks do you can be happy.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2564925]One could always tell with trump.

When the speech was on teleprompter, he read it in a monotone and at a slow pace. He sounded like he was a zombie.

When trump spoke "off the cuff", he used 1-syllable words (for his uneducated base) strung together in a disjointed fashion. He sounded like a moron.

That's the story of the trump presidency*. The US was run by a zombie moron.[/QUOTE]Obviously Biden stuttering and losing train of thought is standard for you losers.

[QUOTE=Canada;2564994]Obviously Biden stuttering and losing train of thought is standard for you losers.[/QUOTE]Biden compared to Trump is supreme eloquence. He also talks about things of importance rather than juvenile name calling and boasting about non achievements.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2564447]And why do his people not allow the questioning of the President? And if you really want to understand Joe's mental condition all you have to do is check his daily schedule and compare it to Trump's or Obama's daily schedule. Biden literally does nothing all day.

But whatever you or I think about Joe Biden, the man, is irrelevant. The undeniable fact is the Biden Administration is the most radical in American History and it threatens the very essence of our democracy. Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and the Freedom to pursue the American Dream is on the chopping block.[/QUOTE]Biden's handlers usually "call a lid" on the day at about 11 am. I'd never heard that phrase before last year. Normal, functioning presidential candidates have a long work day; think of Trump's four or five rallies in a single day, and endless, energetic schedule. By contrast, Biden's handlers give him a pair of slippers and a cup of ice cream at 11 am, lock him in the basement, and go about their work of destroying America.

And destroying it they are. Freedoms Americans have cherished for over two centuries are under threat by the toxic combination of a fraudulently elected president, Big Tech, Globalist finance, and the fake news media.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2564610]Some of the main reasons I vote Dem and never Repub now is because I much prefer the way Dems cut taxes[/QUOTE]Ah, now I get it. This is all an elaborate troll. Well done, you really got me!

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564760]You can red bait...blablabla[/QUOTE]It does make me smile to imagine how much furious effort you put into all your posts. Tears streaming onto the keyboard.

No definition of "white supremacy" though, from you or your alter-ego PVMonger.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2564882]I wondered why this forum even exists? I realized it's like the grease trap on my barbeque smoker.[/QUOTE]Was your barbeque smoker made in Leningrad?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564715]White supremacism doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]The one true thing you've written in this forum.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2564281]Aaaaand. No links, or even purported facts, or even any of the supposed "exaggerations". Just more leftist verbal diarrhea, as we're sadly used to by now.

Who would want to quote Tucker Carlson? Perhaps the millions of people who make his show the most watched in cable news history. And often top-rated in all cable TV?[/QUOTE]

[b]Rachel Maddow Has Most-Watched Show In First Quarter Cable News Ratings[/b]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/03/30/rachel-maddow-has-most-watched-show-in-first-quarter-cable-news-ratings/?sh=62dcf70a7505[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2564992]Fortunately Biden has done nothing yet in his first 4 months so the market and business are still profiting from Trump presidency. Biden like other past democratic presidents will raise taxes on the companies and the companies like Apple will just move their money overseas and we will collect less taxes. History will repeat itself. If Biden does nothing which there is a good chance he will then the economy will boom like the Trump presidency. Biden is to worried about giving money away than trying to build business back up. Wait for the big sell off of stocks if Biden raises capital gain and dividend stocks. But most of you liberals don't have stocks do you can be happy.[/QUOTE]Didn't FUX News mention this in passing sometime between their adult diaper commercials or whatever sponsers they've still got left?

[B]Biden signs $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan into Law[/B]
March 12,2021.
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-signs-covid-relief-bill-american-rescue-plan-into-law/[/URL]

No kidding, it was in all the real news sources at the time.

You might be thinking about how Moscow Mitch refused to give the Golfer-in-Chief any significant Repub economic legislation to sign until the very last White House business day of 2017 in order to enjoy and falsely take credit for the historic upward stock market and economic expansion handed to him by Obama-Biden and the Dems as long as possible without introducing the exact same kind of Supply-Side/Trickle-Down Repub horseshit failed tax and economic policies brought to us by the likes of (R)Coolidge, (R)Herbert Hoover, (R)Alzheimers Ronnie Reagan, (R)George W. Bush and all of which led us into the usual Great Repub Crashes, Depressions and Recessions and was inevitably destined to do exactly the same for us under (R)Trump, as Moscow Mitch knew only too well.

[QUOTE=Canada;2564994]Obviously Biden stuttering and losing train of thought is standard for you losers.[/QUOTE]Anyone who dares accuse anyone of stuttering and losing train of though after 4 years of Trump's incoherent online and offline blabbering has NEGATIVE credibility, just like their idol.

[URL]https://youtu.be/ovBddHEtxKY[/URL]

At least on this social network, I won't get canceled for posting this.

I hope Biden holds on only because his VP would be even worse, which is not a good endorsement.

Meanwhile, the President of Russia practices judo against men a third his age.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2565034]Didn't FUX News mention this in passing sometime between their adult diaper commercials or whatever sponsers they've still got left?

[B]Biden signs $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan into Law[/B]
March 12,2021.
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-signs-covid-relief-bill-american-rescue-plan-into-law/[/URL]

No kidding, it was in all the real news sources at the time.

You might be thinking about how Moscow Mitch refused to give the Golfer-in-Chief any significant Repub economic legislation to sign until the very last White House business day of 2017 in order to enjoy and falsely take credit for the historic upward stock market and economic expansion handed to him by Obama-Biden and the Dems as long as possible without introducing the exact same kind of Supply-Side/Trickle-Down Repub horseshit failed tax and economic policies brought to us by the likes of (R)Coolidge, (R)Herbert Hoover, (R)Alzheimers Ronnie Reagan, (R)George W. Bush and all of which led us into the usual Great Repub Crashes, Depressions and Recessions and was inevitably destined to do exactly the same for us under (R)Trump, as Moscow Mitch knew only too well.[/QUOTE]This wasn't rescue America it was bankrupt America. Billions of dollars for poorly run democratic states. This isn't a positive. It is a train wreck.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2565037]Anyone who dares accuse anyone of stuttering and losing train of though after 4 years of Trump's incoherent online and offline blabbering has NEGATIVE credibility, just like their idol.[/QUOTE]Obvious you haven't been watching Biden speeches and have only watched Trump speeches. Biden is a disgrace to the teleprompter. He can't even read what is written for him. He was mocked by the world leaders at G7 summit.

[QUOTE=Canada;2565051]Obvious you haven't been watching Biden speeches and have only watched Trump speeches. Biden is a disgrace to the teleprompter. He can't even read what is written for him. He was mocked by the world leaders at G7 summit.[/QUOTE]Aha.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxtdCeg7VPE[/URL]

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/dec/12/editing-tricks-viral-biden-ad-intensify-world-lead/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2564912]There you go -- breaking Godwin's Law 2. 0: bleating out anti-semitism and referencing ADL as your authority. LOL.[/QUOTE]Godwin's Law is nothing more than a silly parlor game debate rule. Godwin should have apologized for conjuring up such a stupid idea 10 minutes after he came up with it.

We should have been making comparisons to Hitler/Nazism and what has now become of the Republican Party early and often at least for the past 15-20 years when it really took a turn for the worse (if that was even possible).

Perhaps if we had been justifiably doing that without the slightest concern about breaking Godwin's silly rule then less than 1.5% of the voters in just two states, Florida and Michigan, would have used their better anti-Nazi judgement and switched their votes for Trump to votes for Clinton in 2016.

Then we would not have suffered the loss of 550,000+ Americans, Recessions in the manufacturing sector, agriculture sector, a big one across the country later, two Bear Market Crashes, millions upon millions of jobs wiped out, trillions added to the deficit for no noticeable improvement in the economy, the emboldening and strengthing of our enemies and adversaries, the pity and well earned derision of our allies, the possible end of traveling freely around the world to fuck and get blown by sweet girls in their 20's for practically nothing and the deadliest attacks on American democracy since the beginning of the country.

In all probability, the most annoying squawking we would have to endure from the wannabe Nazi Q-Anon Repub Party today would be their endless calls for hearings to get to the bottom of "Why did President Hillary Clinton dither and wait TWO WHOLE WEEKS to send our wonderful Pandemic Prevention and Response systems team to Wuhan, China in December 2019 and thereby caused the death of 543 poor Chinese during that terrible regional endemic of late 2019?!"

"Benghazi!'

Lol. Can't you just hear them coming up with some crap like that? I sure can. But that would be many, many, many times better to endure than what we got instead. Fuck Godwin's Law. If ever there was a time and place in history to "break" it as a valuable reminder, these past 15-20 years have been it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2565091]Godwin's Law is nothing more than a silly parlor game debate rule. Godwin should have apologized for conjuring up such a stupid idea 10 minutes after he came up with it.

We should have been making comparisons to Hitler/Nazism and what has now become of the Republican Party early and often at least for the past 15-20 years when it really took a turn for the worse (if that was even possible).

Perhaps if we had been justifiably doing that without the slightest concern about breaking Godwin's silly rule then less than 1.5% of the voters in just two states, Florida and Michigan, would have used their better anti-Nazi judgement and switched their votes for Trump to votes for Clinton in 2016.

Then we would not have suffered the loss of 550,000+ Americans, Recessions in the manufacturing sector, agriculture sector, a big one across the country later, two Bear Market Crashes, millions upon millions of jobs wiped out, trillions added to the deficit for no noticeable improvement in the economy, the emboldening and strengthing of our enemies and adversaries, the pity and well earned derision of our allies, the possible end of traveling freely around the world to fuck and get blown by sweet girls in their 20's for practically nothing and the deadliest attacks on American democracy since the beginning of the country..[/QUOTE]It should be obvious that neither Party is defensible and that lesser evil voting is not the way forward. Trump was the symptom of a failed system, as is Joe Biden. Didn't the polls show that a majority of Trump voters would have voted for Sanders if given the opportunity. If that was in fact the case, what does that tell you?

As for covid: as grotesque as the Trump response was portrayed, things would have in the end played out with little difference regardless of who was the Figurehead-in-Chief. There'd still be travel bans keeping us from our favorite playgrounds, and that's really what matters most from our perspective.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2565091]550,000 deaths.......would be their endless calls for hearings to get to the bottom of "Why did President Hillary Clinton dither and wait TWO WHOLE WEEKS to send our wonderful Pandemic Prevention and Response systems team to Wuhan, China in December 2019 .[/QUOTE]This from a guy whose party were downplaying and ignoring the disease well into 2020, with Nancy Pelosi going around hugging people in Chinatown and Biden saying that Trump's blocking of flights from China was "racist". Imagine how many more Americans would have died if Trump hadn't stood up to the fake news and democrats in enforcing his ban. Thank God for Trump's strength in the face of leftist lies.

The idea that the Chinese Communist Party would have let the US Government send a team of operatives into Wuhan is so ridiculous and idiotic as to be hilarious, in line with most posts from the wokerati in here.

And now from the Fauci emails released today we discover that he knew that the virus was man-made early in 2020. He also knew that hydroxychloroquine was an effective treatment, as President Trump said, but refused to say so. Many more revelations in there, detailing how Fauci and the rest of the establishment were entirely incompetent and mendacious, focused more on attacking the president than saving lives. Fauci lied, thousands died.

Time our for a moment of sanity.

[URL]https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6256993729001[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2564992]Fortunately Biden has done nothing yet in his first 4 months so the market and business are still profiting from Trump presidency. Biden like other past democratic presidents will raise taxes on the companies and the companies like Apple will just move their money overseas and we will collect less taxes. History will repeat itself. If Biden does nothing which there is a good chance he will then the economy will boom like the Trump presidency. Biden is to worried about giving money away than trying to build business back up. Wait for the big sell off of stocks if Biden raises capital gain and dividend stocks. But most of you liberals don't have stocks do you can be happy.[/QUOTE]But Donnie didn't qualify his stock market LIE, did he? So, the bottom line is that Donnie lied (again) and the sheep (Republican voters) ate it up.

But Donnie still lied and you keep twisting yourself into knots trying to defend him.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2565117]twisting yourself into knots[/QUOTE]How about you try twisting yourself into knots by defining this "white supremacism" thing you keep talking about?

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2565042][URL]https://youtu.be/ovBddHEtxKY[/URL]

At least on this social network, I won't get canceled for posting this.

I hope Biden holds on only because his VP would be even worse, which is not a good endorsement.

Meanwhile, the President of Russia practices judo against men a third his age.[/QUOTE]Sky News Australia is fantastic. Thank god for Rupert Murdoch, the last goy in media. May he live many more years.

I actually think it would be better if Biden keels over and Heels-Up Harris aka Willie Brown's cockholster becomes president. The far-left, globalist, woke, America-last agenda is going on right now, but Biden is a kind of soothing figurehead for a lot of low-information voters. If Harris took over, with her unlikability, cackling, and open hatred for America and white people oozing from her pores, it would wake a lot more people up to what is going on.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2565023][b]Rachel Maddow Has Most-Watched Show In First Quarter Cable News Ratings[/b]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/03/30/rachel-maddow-has-most-watched-show-in-first-quarter-cable-news-ratings/?sh=62dcf70a7505[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/here-are-the-top-rated-cable-news-shows-for-april-2021/477372/[/URL]

"Tucker Carlson Tonight is No. 1 for April 2021, not just in average total audience, but also among adults 25-54."

[URL]https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201216005919/en/FOX-News-Channel-Smashes-Records-With-Highest-Rated-Year-in-Cable-News-History-Across-Total-Day-and-Primetime-Viewership[/URL]

FNC Finishes 2020 as Most-Watched Basic Cable Network for Fifth Consecutive Year, Becomes First Cable News Network Ever to End Year with More Than Three Million Viewers in Primetime.

FNC Remains the Number One Television Network in Weekday Primetime, Outpacing all Broadcast Networks in Total Viewers Beginning in 2 Q'2020.

"Hannity" Tops Cable News for Fourth Year in a Row with Total Viewers, Besting All-Time Record for Highest-Rated Year in Cable News History.

"Tucker Carlson Tonight" Delivers its Highest-Rated Year Ever, Finishes as Most-Watched Cable News Program in 25-54 Demographic.

Two Dozen FNC Programs Deliver Largest Audiences in Network History; FNC Telecasts Make up 41 of the Top 100 Cable Telecasts in 2020".

Shush.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2565091]Godwin's Law is nothing more than a silly parlor game debate rule. Godwin should have apologized for conjuring up such a stupid idea 10 minutes after he came up with it.[/QUOTE]If you reference Godwin himself he allows for exceptions, for cases where it's called for thus the subject isn't entirely off the table.

As to the post you replied to, Gofinho seems to be unaware that Anti-Semitism long predates the Holocaust, and by centuries. He sources us to known Anti-Semites like E. Michael Jones who rubs elbows with and shares conferences with David Duke, plus references Holocaust deniers and has all the global Jewish conspiracy theories going. Same old tripe that's been going on since the Middle Ages, while we are left to wonder why a people so shrewd and powerful as the Jews have been so frequently victimized. But yea there are consequences to sourcing a guy like that. C'est La Vie.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2565107]This from a guy whose party were downplaying and ignoring the disease well into 2020, with Nancy Pelosi going around hugging people in Chinatown and Biden saying that Trump's blocking of flights from China was "racist". Imagine how many more Americans would have died if Trump hadn't stood up to the fake news and democrats in enforcing his ban. Thank God for Trump's strength in the face of leftist lies.

The idea that the Chinese Communist Party would have let the US Government send a team of operatives into Wuhan is so ridiculous and idiotic as to be hilarious, in line with most posts from the wokerati in here.

And now from the Fauci emails released today we discover that he knew that the virus was man-made early in 2020. He also knew that hydroxychloroquine was an effective treatment, as President Trump said, but refused to say so. Many more revelations in there, detailing how Fauci and the rest of the establishment were entirely incompetent and mendacious, focused more on attacking the president than saving lives. Fauci lied, thousands died.[/QUOTE]The earliest statements and behaviors by Pelosi, Fauci, you, me, everyone that turned out to be mistaken to the point of deadly were the result of our then so-called potus, who we knew had gotten intel unlike anyone else on the planet about it, lying to us about what he knew about the risks, human-to-human spread, the proper mitigating measures to prevent infection, etc, etc, etc. That is pretty much the point I have been making about Trump's cowardice and lies being the main reason 550,000+ Americans died from the virus and that it developed into a Pandemic in the first place.

"There is one case out of China, 15 cases here and soon to be near zero. We've got this under control."
Remember?

Biden never said that Trump's too little too late restriction of some flights from China into the USA was "racist."

Also, have you got a link for your claim that Fauci "knew the virus was man-made" and that "hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment" for coronavirus/Covid-19?

And on your dismissal of the well-documented disastrous Trump economic decisions as early as 2018 (and several more in early 2020) that contributed mightily to turning a likely manageable endemic in an area of China into the Pandemic it became and how you just can't imagine there would be that much USA influence in China in that regard:

[B]Exclusive: US slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronvirus outbreak[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv-idUSKBN21C3N5[/URL]
[QUOTE]WASHINGTON(Reuters) - The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2565233][URL]https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/here-are-the-top-rated-cable-news-shows-for-april-2021/477372/[/URL]

"Tucker Carlson Tonight is No. 1 for April 2021, not just in average total audience, but also among adults 25-54."

[URL]https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201216005919/en/FOX-News-Channel-Smashes-Records-With-Highest-Rated-Year-in-Cable-News-History-Across-Total-Day-and-Primetime-Viewership[/URL]

FNC Finishes 2020 as Most-Watched Basic Cable Network for Fifth Consecutive Year, Becomes First Cable News Network Ever to End Year with [b]More Than Three Million Viewers in Primetime.[/b]

FNC Remains the Number One Television Network in Weekday Primetime, Outpacing all Broadcast Networks in Total Viewers Beginning in 2 Q'2020.

"Hannity" Tops Cable News for Fourth Year in a Row with Total Viewers, Besting All-Time Record for Highest-Rated Year in Cable News History.

"Tucker Carlson Tonight" Delivers its Highest-Rated Year Ever, Finishes as Most-Watched Cable News Program in 25-54 Demographic.

Two Dozen FNC Programs Deliver Largest Audiences in Network History; FNC Telecasts Make up 41 of the Top 100 Cable Telecasts in 2020".

Shush.[/QUOTE]Wow. More than 3 million viewers in primetime?

Real evening news programs on the regular broadcast networks, not just on cable, routinely get 2 to 3 times that viewership. Each. You know, the network news programs that "cable news" Fox likes to characterize their "us against them" adversaries?

Even worse for those desperate to believe more Americans get their news from Fox than any other network, that NBC Nightly News program is just fine with competing for viewership ratings against its company's own MSNBC programming and vice versa!

[B]World News Tonight Tops Again In 2020 Amid Boost In Evening News Viewership Overall[/B]
[URL]https://deadline.com/2020/12/world-news-tonight-david-muir-2020-1234662907/[/URL]
[QUOTE]World News Tonight averaged 9.61 million total viewers for the year, compared to 8.29 million for NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt and 5.92 million for CBS Evening News with Norah ODonnell.[/QUOTE]

Btw, did you ever stop to wonder why Fox does not have an evening news program on their regular broadcast network as does CBS, NBC and ABC? lol. Think about that a while and let us know what you come up with.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2565263]As to the post you replied to, Gofinho seems to be unaware that Anti-Semitism long predates the Holocaust, and by centuries. He sources us to known Anti-Semites like E. Michael Jones.[/QUOTE]You seem to be unaware of the impossibility of anti-Semitism predating Semitism, you know, like putting the cart before the horse.

Paul E. Really has a hard-on for E. Michael Jones. Glad to have introduced you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2565302]Also, have you got a link for your claim that Fauci "knew the virus was man-made" and that "hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment" for coronavirus/Covid-19?[/QUOTE]Excellent question. Can't wait to see what he comes up with. Wink.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2565263]But yea there are consequences to sourcing a guy like that.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/zMAxwWpYjsY/[/URL]

You're resourced:

Consequences for suppressing the truth. C'est la vie.

It's bad enough to see how Trump left the USA practically bare ass naked to prevent or respond quickly and effectively to the inevitable and (to him) forewarned risk of a possible devastating virus spread thanks to his idiotic economic decisions. But it is even worse to consider the unavoidable conclusion that one of his motivations for those spectacularly bad decisions was because former POTUS Barack Obama's name and fingerprints were on those proven systems set up to prevent just such a deadly and economy devastating outcome. And to some degree, so were former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's.

[B]How Trump Gutted Obamas Pandemic-Preparedness Systems.
Former officials: Trumps reshuffling of positions and departments, focus on business solutions, downgrading of science, left the country dangerously unprepared for an unprecedented pandemic.[/B]
[URL]https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trump-obama-coronavirus-pandemic-response[/URL]

[B]Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised[/B]
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-virus-outbreak-barack-obama-public-health-ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a[/URL]

[B]Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm[/B]
[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-team-left-pandemic-playbook-for-trump-administration-officials-confirm[/URL]

[B]Trump Replaced White House Pandemic-Response Team With Jared Kushner[/B]
[URL]https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/trump-fired-pandemic-response-jared-kushner-coronavirus.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2565117]But Donnie didn't qualify his stock market LIE, did he? So, the bottom line is that Donnie lied (again) and the sheep (Republican voters) ate it up.

But Donnie still lied and you keep twisting yourself into knots trying to defend him.[/QUOTE]Your post makes no sense. Why are you still talking about Trump. Why aren't you defending the USA business from Biden. GM already announced new Billion dollar factory in Mexico to make their electric cars. If you want to defend Biden on this go ahead. Other businesses are already planning their exit.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2565330]It's bad enough to see how Trump left the USA practically bare ass naked to prevent or respond quickly and effectively to the inevitable and (to him) forewarned risk of a possible devastating virus spread thanks to his idiotic economic decisions. But it is even worse to consider the unavoidable conclusion that one of his motivations for those spectacularly bad decisions was because former POTUS Barack Obama's name and fingerprints were on those proven systems set up to prevent just such a deadly and economy devastating outcome. And to some degree, so were former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's.

[B]How Trump Gutted Obamas Pandemic-Preparedness Systems.
Former officials: Trumps reshuffling of positions and departments, focus on business solutions, downgrading of science, left the country dangerously unprepared for an unprecedented pandemic.[/B]
[URL]https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trump-obama-coronavirus-pandemic-response[/URL]

[B]Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised[/B]
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-virus-outbreak-barack-obama-public-health-ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a[/URL]

[B]Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm[/B]
[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-team-left-pandemic-playbook-for-trump-administration-officials-confirm[/URL]

[B]Trump Replaced White House Pandemic-Response Team With Jared Kushner[/B]
[URL]https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/trump-fired-pandemic-response-jared-kushner-coronavirus.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Why do you bother with this fake news from liberal news sites. Everyone knows Obama was the one that diverted funds from pandemic to social issues.

[QUOTE=Canada;2565337]Why do you bother with this fake news from liberal news sites. Everyone knows Obama was the one that diverted funds from pandemic to social issues.[/QUOTE]Look how easy it is to be a trumper! Unless trump or some rightwingnut rag says it, it is fake news.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

Another example of Republican cancel culture as Trumps blog bites the dust.

It seems no one really care what he has to say anymore. So sad!

[QUOTE=Canada;2565337]Why do you bother with this fake news from liberal news sites. [b]Everyone[/b] knows Obama was the one that diverted funds from pandemic to social issues.[/QUOTE]Is this the same "everyone" that whispers in Donnie's ear? Is it the same "everyone" that claims that Donnie is going to be reinstated?

Enquiring minds want to know!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2565302]The earliest statements and behaviors by Pelosi, Fauci, you, me, everyone that turned out to be mistaken to the point of deadly were the result of our then so-called potus, who we knew had gotten intel unlike anyone else on the planet about it, lying to us about what he knew about the risks, human-to-human spread, the proper mitigating measures to prevent infection, etc, etc, etc. That is pretty much the point I have been making about Trump's cowardice and lies being the main reason 550,000+ Americans died from the virus and that it developed into a Pandemic in the first place.

"There is one case out of China, 15 cases here and soon to be near zero. We've got this under control."
Remember?

Biden never said that Trump's too little too late restriction of some flights from China into the USA was "racist."

Also, have you got a link for your claim that Fauci "knew the virus was man-made" and that "hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment" for coronavirus/Covid-19?

And on your dismissal of the well-documented disastrous Trump economic decisions as early as 2018 (and several more in early 2020) that contributed mightily to turning a likely manageable endemic in an area of China into the Pandemic it became and how you just can't imagine there would be that much USA influence in China in that regard:

[B]Exclusive: US slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronvirus outbreak[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv-idUSKBN21C3N5[/URL][/QUOTE]Fauci emails prove Trump was right about China. Fauci knew it but hid it because he actually diverted funds to that lab previously. Good news is that it may be criminal and charges may be filed. Bad news is Fauci may have caused several more deaths since he hid it and the fake news media treated him like a hero for going against Trump. Now even CNN is going to have to admit Trump was right but they won't. Probably won't even cover this story. That is why their viewership is down 70% this year.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2565466]Look how easy it is to be a trumper! Unless trump or some rightwingnut rag says it, it is fake news.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.[/QUOTE]It actually is as the cult mentality has it's own in built defenses. For those fully immersed deprogramming is about their only hope. You don't write for those but any in the audience that may be on the fence and formulating their views.

[QUOTE=Canada;2565602]Liberals like fake news because they want life to be the way they see it. As long as CNN said Trump was doing bad they believed it. That is why the Liberals are racist and hate USA. CNN and the libtards are always apologizing for USA instead of being proud of their country. Can anyone on this forum explain why libtards hate America, are racist against white people and hate police?[/QUOTE]Why is it that Republikkkans are scared of the truth? Donnie was bad and 81 million voters threw the biggest loser out of office. Kicked the orange fruitcake to the curb!

I'm sure you are proud of the white, christian part of the USA. But you and the rest of the white supremacist kkkonservatives hate all o'dem darkies and anybody who isn't white. What I want to know is why you deplorables are so blind, hate everybody except white people and hate the police?

Cooke said "an array of different sources" confirmed a report earlier this week by New York Times journalist Maggie Haberman, who said on Twitter that Trump has been sharing the popular new QAnon talking point.

But Cooke went even further, saying Trump not only believes he'll be put back into the Oval Office but also that he will be gifted with a Republican majority in the Senate, believing that two Democrats will be booted from Congress and replaced by the GOP candidates they defeated.

He cautioned conservatives against downplaying or dismissing the report.

"This is not merely an eccentric interpretation of the facts or an interesting foible, nor is it an irrelevant example of anguished post-presidency chatter," he wrote. "It is a rejection of reality, a rejection of law, and, ultimately, a rejection of the entire system of American government. "

Trump, he wrote, is "so unmoored from the real world that it is hard to know where to begin in attempting to explain him. "

Nothing Biden could do that could be more insane than what is spinning around in Trumps brain.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2565323]Excellent question. Can't wait to see what he comes up with. Wink.[/QUOTE]Both are in his emails which were recently revealed.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2565310]Wow. More than blablabla[/QUOTE]Once again, having been proven wrong on your false assertion that Rachel Madcow (sic) is the most watched host in cable news, you attempt to change the subject and introduce non-sequiturs. Tiresome and boring. Like the endless fake news about Russia, Avenatti, etc, all of which clowns like you lapped up for years.

[QUOTE=Canada;2565600]Fauci emails prove Trump was right about China. Fauci knew it but hid it because he actually diverted funds to that lab previously. Good news is that it may be criminal and charges may be filed. Bad news is Fauci may have caused several more deaths since he hid it and the fake news media treated him like a hero for going against Trump. Now even CNN is going to have to admit Trump was right but they won't. Probably won't even cover this story. That is why their viewership is down 70% this year.[/QUOTE]Great post. Rand Paul has done some excellent work exposing Fauci's lies and evasion on this issue. We all know that if Fauci had aided Trump or the right in any way, the left would be coming after him with criminal indictments by now. Time for us to do the same now that we know from his emails that his lies cost lives.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2565846]Great post. Rand Paul has done some excellent work exposing Fauci's lies and evasion on this issue. We all know that if Fauci had aided Trump or the right in any way, the left would be coming after him with criminal indictments by now. Time for us to do the same now that we know from his emails that his lies cost lives.[/QUOTE]This is just another Republikkkan attempt to cherry pick a few emails and try to make something out of nothing.

What you kkkonserves fail to mention (of course) is that the orange fruitcake said China DELIBERATELY weaponized and released the virus: [URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/trumps-supporters-are-getting-lab-leak-story-backward/619004/[/URL] And here's one about the same subject from a rightwingnut rag: [URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/dec/14/china-weaponized-covid-19-against-america/[/URL].

In any case, continue to blather on. Nobody is listening. And when you need brain surgery or hemorrhoid surgery (in you case the location is the same) maybe Rand should do it. I know you think he's qualified.

The orange fruitcake LOST. Bigly. And, guess what? He ain't going to be '"reinstated". Not in August. Not in any other month. Unless, of course, he becomes the president* of Riker's Island.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2565710]Why is it that Republikkkans are scared of the truth? Donnie was bad and 81 million voters threw the biggest loser out of office. Kicked the orange fruitcake to the curb!

I'm sure you are proud of the white, christian part of the USA. But you and the rest of the white supremacist kkkonservatives hate all o'dem darkies and anybody who isn't white. What I want to know is why you deplorables are so blind, hate everybody except white people and hate the police?[/QUOTE]Trump was great for America just not for democrats and criminals. I am proud to be Christian. Christian is a lot better than racism. I am proud of every American that is loyal to the USA. It is the democrats who treat the black community so bad. Look at the black neighborhoods in democratic cities. That is democratic racism the way they are treated.

Why are you avoiding answering such simple questions? Why do democrats hate America? Why do you hate America? Why do democrats hate police and safety in the streets? Why do you hate white people. Why are democrats supporting democratic leaders whose policy on crime is to get rid of prisons? Why are democrats such losers?

[QUOTE=GDreams;2565830]Cooke said "an array of different sources"....[/QUOTE]None of them named. So she made it up. Like all the rest of the fake news of recent years (Russia hoax, Avenatti, etc).

Meanwhile the real scandals on Hunter's laptop and election fraud are covered up. Truly banana republic territory. It won't end well.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2565907]This is just another Republikkkan attempt to cherry pick a few emails and try to make something out of nothing.

What you kkkonserves fail to mention (of course) is that the orange fruitcake said China DELIBERATELY weaponized and released the virus: [URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/trumps-supporters-are-getting-lab-leak-story-backward/619004/[/URL] And here's one about the same subject from a rightwingnut rag: [URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/dec/14/china-weaponized-covid-19-against-america/[/URL].

In any case, continue to blather on. Nobody is listening. And when you need brain surgery or hemorrhoid surgery (in you case the location is the same) maybe Rand should do it. I know you think he's qualified.

The orange fruitcake LOST. Bigly. And, guess what? He ain't going to be '"reinstated". Not in August. Not in any other month. Unless, of course, he becomes the president* of Riker's Island.[/QUOTE]First the Arizona recount, now Fauci's lies exposed. Trump still has 90% support among Republicans. Biden's dementia is getting worse. Half the country still says the election was fraudulent (and the reality is higher): all the fake news and social media censorship hasn't made a dent. You're rattled. And you're right to be.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2565985]First the Arizona recount, now Fauci's lies exposed. Trump still has 90% support among Republicans. Biden's dementia is getting worse. Half the country still says the election was fraudulent (and the reality is higher): all the fake news and social media censorship hasn't made a dent. You're rattled. And you're right to be.[/QUOTE]All the statements above are false.

[QUOTE=Canada;2565936]Christian is a lot better than racism.[/QUOTE]Who's Christian?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2565845]Once again, having been proven wrong on your false assertion that Rachel Madcow (sic) is the most watched host in cable news, you attempt to change the subject and introduce non-sequiturs. Tiresome and boring. Like the endless fake news about Russia, Avenatti, etc, all of which clowns like you lapped up for years.[/QUOTE]LOL. Days have past and you are still unable to provide links for stuff you claimed Biden and Fauci said like the link I provided for Maddow's first quarter ratings.

I'll take that as proof that there aren't any and you just made up that stuff or merely repeated what some other noodnik made up. Probably Tucker Carlson.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2565985]First the Arizona recount, now Fauci's lies exposed. Trump still has 90% support among Republicans. Biden's dementia is getting worse. Half the country still says the election was fraudulent (and the reality is higher): all the fake news and social media censorship hasn't made a dent. You're rattled. And you're right to be.[/QUOTE]Arizona was recounted. Trump lost. End of story. The fake recount initiated by the Arizona senate has already been so thoroughly discredited that it will never be taken seriously if it ever gets completed. Illegal pens, illegal volunteers, non accredited contractor, illegal tampering of machines, lack of ballot security. Why bother doing the exercise and go to the Trump standard of lets just make up the numbers.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2565984]None of them named. So she made it up. Like all the rest of the fake news of recent years (Russia hoax, Avenatti, etc).

Meanwhile the real scandals on Hunter's laptop and election fraud are covered up. Truly banana republic territory. It won't end well.[/QUOTE]You mean the Trump lie machine. Someone said last week. Many people have told me! Standard Trump speak but we all know this is true because it is entirely consistent with his rambling utterances.

Hunter Biden scandal? What is that? Just more what abouts. If he has done something wrong let him face the consequences just like Don Jnr should be prosecuted for the Russian orphan meeting to dig up dirt on Hillary or the scandal machine that is Rudy and lets not forget the criminal investigations into Trump and his mafia corporation.

The only election fraud is The Trump steal lie. Countless court cases in which no evidence was presented, recount after recount done by officially accredited agencies that confirm the counts. But keep on dreaming and repeating the big lie but its not going to change anything.

[QUOTE=Canada;2565936]Trump was great for America just not for democrats and criminals. I am proud to be Christian. Christian is a lot better than racism. I am proud of every American that is loyal to the USA. It is the democrats who treat the black community so bad. Look at the black neighborhoods in democratic cities. That is democratic racism the way they are treated.

Why are you avoiding answering such simple questions? Why do democrats hate America? Why do you hate America? Why do democrats hate police and safety in the streets? Why do you hate white people. Why are democrats supporting democratic leaders whose policy on crime is to get rid of prisons? Why are democrats such losers?[/QUOTE]Trump was great for Democrats, they gained the house, presidency and senate. Trump was great for corporate criminals.

Why do you hate democracy? Why do you love racism? Why if Republican policies are so great that they need to Gerrymander so badly and try to restrict people voting?

You are clearly not a Christian because Republicans are the antithesis of Christs teachings.

Democrats do not hate America, you do because you do not support the constitution. You support an assault against the the Government of the country, an attempted coup. The US has the highest incarceration rates in the world. There is clearly a problem that is not being addressed by the prison system. Your other statements are not worth responding to as they are demonstrably incorrect.

"They told the world that the Covid-19 virus clearly couldn't have been manipulated in the laboratory. But what they actually thought at first sight was that it had been.

The letter from five virologists published in Nature Medicine on March 17,2020, was the single most influential statement in capturing the public narrative about the origin of SARS-CoV-2. Here was an authoritative statement from leading experts assuring the public that in terms of the virus's origin "we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. "

But that's the exact opposite of what these experts thought after taking their first look at the virus. A large batch of emails exchanged with Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was made available this week to BuzzFeed and the Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act. For the most part the emails concern meeting arrangements or messages from cranks and have been redacted of any meaningful information. But one significant email escaped the censor's black marker.

On Jan. 31,2020, shortly after the SARS-CoV-2 genome had been decoded, Kristian Andersen, the five virologists' leader, emailed Dr. Fauci that there were "unusual features" in the virus. These took up only a small percentage of the genome, so that "one has to look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered. "

Mr. Andersen went on to note that he and his team "all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory. " It isn't clear exactly what he meant by this striking phrase. But anything inconsistent with an evolutionary origin has to be man-made.

This remarkable email establishes that the Andersen team's initial reaction was to suspect that SARS-CoV-2 had been engineered in a lab. Their subsequent letter doesn't adequately explain how they overcame this impression.

The furin cleavage site, a small element of the virus that they doubtless had in mind when referring to "unusual features," is an anomalous genetic insertion that could be a sign of laboratory manipulation. The distinguished virologist David Baltimore has called it a smoking gun and "a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2. "

The Andersen team in its letter discusses how the virus could have acquired the furin cleavage site naturally. Their best suggestion is that SARS-CoV-2 picked up the necessary genetic information from people after it had made its jump from bats. But no evidence for this idea has emerged. And it's hard to see why the Andersen team decided that this conjecture should outweigh the appearance of laboratory manipulation.

As virologists, all had a professional interest in not provoking a storm of public condemnation over gain-of-function experiments, the bland name for genetically enhancing the pathogenic power of viruses. After taking one look at the horrific possibility that a lab leak origin for SARS-CoV-2 might cause virology labs all over the world to be closed down, it would seem, the Andersen team decided to disregard their first impressions of possible manipulation. Recall what they said in their letter: "We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. "

Dr. Fauci has long suggested that the virus emerged naturally—until the past few weeks, when he started to allow that lab escape is possible and should be investigated. The Jan. 31,2020, email from Mr. Andersen shows that Dr. Fauci knew from the beginning that experts had serious suspicions about the virus's origins. There were many other matters on his agenda at the time, but it's too bad he didn't ask for an independent panel, one not dominated by virologists, to look into the possibility that Chinese researchers genetically manipulating coronaviruses in low-level safety conditions had sparked a global pandemic. "

[QUOTE=Canada;2565936]Trump was great for America just not for democrats and criminals. I am proud to be Christian. Christian is a lot better than racism. I am proud of every American that is loyal to the USA. It is the democrats who treat the black community so bad. Look at the black neighborhoods in democratic cities. That is democratic racism the way they are treated.

Why are you avoiding answering such simple questions? Why do democrats hate America? Why do you hate America? Why do democrats hate police and safety in the streets? Why do you hate white people. Why are democrats supporting democratic leaders whose policy on crime is to get rid of prisons? Why are democrats such losers?[/QUOTE]I have answered every single one of your questions.

1. Why do democrats hate America? Democrats invaded the capitol building on January 6th?

2. Why do democrats hate America? Democrats tried to overturn the 2020 election?

3. Why do you hate America? If not voting for the orange fruitcake means I hate America, then I'm proudly guilty.

4. Why do democrats hate police and safety in the streets? Democrats killed and injured Capitol Police officers on January 6th?

5. Why do you hate white people. Unlike you, I don't own a klan hood.

6. Why are democrats supporting democratic leaders whose policy on crime is to get rid of prisons? Why did republikkkans vote against a January 6th commission?

7. Why are democrats such losers? Who lost the last presidential election?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2565985]First the Arizona recount, now Fauci's lies exposed. Trump still has 90% support among Republicans. Biden's dementia is getting worse. Half the country still says the election was fraudulent (and the reality is higher): all the fake news and social media censorship hasn't made a dent. You're rattled. And you're right to be.[/QUOTE]Rattled? I think not.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566154]I have answered every single one of your questions.

1. Why do democrats hate America? Democrats invaded the capitol building on January 6th?

2. Why do democrats hate America? Democrats tried to overturn the 2020 election?

3. Why do you hate America? If not voting for the orange fruitcake means I hate America, then I'm proudly guilty.

4. Why do democrats hate police and safety in the streets? Democrats killed and injured Capitol Police officers on January 6th?

5. Why do you hate white people. Unlike you, I don't own a klan hood.

6. Why are democrats supporting democratic leaders whose policy on crime is to get rid of prisons? Why did republikkkans vote against a January 6th commission?

7. Why are democrats such losers? Who lost the last presidential election?[/QUOTE]Since you did not have one intelligent answer I confirm my point. No wonder you are a loser.

[QUOTE=Canada;2566170]Since you did not have one intelligent answer I confirm my point. No wonder you are a loser.[/QUOTE]Only a fool would say this. Congrats!

[QUOTE=Canada;2566170]Since you did not have one intelligent answer I confirm my point. No wonder you are a loser.[/QUOTE]Mr. Canada, all the libtards are losers. They'd rather suck off the government's hind teat than work for a living. If they do work, they'd rather have the unions tell them who to vote for. They'd rather become socialists than take responsibility for anything.

[QUOTE=DCups;2566237]Mr. Canada, all the libtards are losers. They'd rather suck off the government's hind teat than work for a living. If they do work, they'd rather have the unions tell them who to vote for. They'd rather become socialists than take responsibility for anything.[/QUOTE]Exactly. You hit the nail on the head.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566191]Only a fool would say this. Congrats![/QUOTE]A fool just answered my post.

[QUOTE=DCups;2566237]Mr. Canada, all the libtards are losers. They'd rather suck off the government's hind teat than work for a living. If they do work, they'd rather have the unions tell them who to vote for. They'd rather become socialists than take responsibility for anything.[/QUOTE]Two can play this game.

All kkkonservatives are racists and cultists. They would rather overturn election results than actually govern. They would rather suck off trump than do anything else. They want the orange fruitcake to tell them what to do. They are so scared of women and minorities that they want to regulate them out of existence.

All kkkonservatives are so scared of what a bipartisan commission on January 6th would uncover that they don't w.

Anybody who thinks the orange fruitcake is still president is as big a loser as twice-impeached Donnie the loser.

Let's not forget that this is an opinion piece. For one thing it contains serious 'allowances'. Presuming that "anything inconsistent with an evolutionary origin [B]has to[/B] be man-made" is ludicrous. There are inconsistences in the theory of evolution that can't be explained outright.

But let's presume the virus did escape from the laboratory. Does it prove a malicious intent or cover up? Only in the same delusional mindset that still believes in the "election steal" after dozens of recounts and court cases have proven it to be a lunacy.

Not everything in science is clear cut. Scientist make mistakes all the time. But assigning malicious intents to a world-class scientist like Dr. Fauci tells more about crackpots who sling those moronic allegations than Fauci.

Not to say we don't need to investigate. We do, but it's got to be a scientific probe, not political.

Which is a wishful thinking, I know.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2566134]"They told the world that the Covid-19 virus clearly couldn't have been manipulated in the laboratory. But what they actually thought at first sight was that it had been.

The letter from five virologists published in Nature Medicine on March 17,2020, was the single most influential statement in capturing the public narrative about the origin of SARS-CoV-2. Here was an authoritative statement from leading experts assuring the public that in terms of the virus's origin "we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. "[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2566301]Let's not forget that this is an opinion piece. For one thing it contains serious 'allowances'. Presuming that "anything inconsistent with an evolutionary origin [B]has to[/B] be man-made" is ludicrous. There are inconsistences in the theory of evolution that can't be explained outright.

But let's presume the virus did escape from the laboratory. Does it prove a malicious intent or cover up? Only in the same delusional mindset that still believes in the "election steal" after dozens of recounts and court cases have proven it to be a lunacy.

Not everything in science is clear cut. Scientist make mistakes all the time. But assigning malicious intents to a world-class scientist like Dr. Fauci tells more about crackpots who sling those moronic allegations than Fauci.

Not to say we don't need to investigate. We do, but it's got to be a scientific probe, not political.

Which is a wishful thinking, I know.[/QUOTE]There needs to be an investigation by several countries not just Biden cronies. If Biden staff investigates China will be cleared of all wrong doing. There is no proof that it was malicious but I think an investigation might prove it was. It appears now that Dr Fauci is one of those crackpots. I think the investigation will prove malicious intent. Even the democratic university scientists from Stanford and other big name colleges are calling for full investigation into Fauci. About time.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566154]I have answered every single one of your questions.

1. Why do democrats hate America? Democrats invaded the capitol building on January 6th?

2. Why do democrats hate America? Democrats tried to overturn the 2020 election?

3. Why do you hate America? If not voting for the orange fruitcake means I hate America, then I'm proudly guilty.

4. Why do democrats hate police and safety in the streets? Democrats killed and injured Capitol Police officers on January 6th?

5. Why do you hate white people. Unlike you, I don't own a klan hood.

6. Why are democrats supporting democratic leaders whose policy on crime is to get rid of prisons? Why did republikkkans vote against a January 6th commission?

7. Why are democrats such losers? Who lost the last presidential election?[/QUOTE]A lot of good answers here. The questions you are answering of course are loaded, and is his MO, to type out lists of loaded questions which assume "facts" not entered into evidence. It's of the least sophisticated logical fallacies. When it's all someone has in their arsenal it shows they've matured little if any beyond high school.

[URL]https://fallacyinlogic.com/loaded-question-fallacy/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2566301]Let's not forget that this is an opinion piece......Not everything in science is clear cut. Scientist make mistakes all the time.[/QUOTE]Haha! Fauci gets flat out caught red-handed in a lie, claiming he was certain the virus was natural in origin when he was told back in January 2020 that it was man-made; and of course the fake news leftists start bleating about how "science is not clear cut". LOL. Then why did Fakebook and the rest of social media and mainstream fake news brutally censor the many scientists offering an alternative opinion on covid, lockdown, and much more?

Typical double standards. When it suits them, it's "I FCUKING love science!" When it doesn't, it's "nothing is clear cut in science". When antifa / BLM burns a city and attacks federal buildings, it's a peaceful protest. When Trump supporters file peacefully through a federal building after being invited in by police and cause no damage, it's an insurrection. When General Petraeus used an unsecure email in a few messages to his girlfriend, he was forced to resign, prosecuted and destroyed. When Crooked Hillary Clinton used an unsecure email for far longer and far more systematically in order to conceal her various crooked deals as Secretary of State, nothing happened to her. When Biden openly bribes the Ukrainians with a billion dollars in US taxpayer money to end in investigation into his crooked crack-smoking son's corrupt deals, nothing happens. When Trump asks the Ukrainians to look into it, he gets impeached.

The further the aggressive, hypocritical leftist lunacy goes, the more convinced I am that we cannot live with these people for whom reality is merely an obstacle for their GloboHomo Marxist plans.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2566127]Arizona was recounted. Trump lost. End of story. The fake recount initiated by the Arizona senate has already been so thoroughly discredited that it will never be taken seriously if it ever gets completed. Illegal pens, illegal volunteers, non accredited contractor, illegal tampering of machines, lack of ballot security. Why bother doing the exercise and go to the Trump standard of lets just make up the numbers.[/QUOTE]For a "fake recount", the democrats and fake news sure are keen to get it stopped! Why not just ignore it if it is so "discredited"? They're rattled, as are you. They thought Americans would just surrender to the fraud, but still the spirit of freedom and truth shines despite their best efforts.

The recount will be full, thorough, and verified. That is why it is taking so long. We will see what the results are when they arrive.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2566130]Democrats do not hate America, you do because you do not support the constitution.[/QUOTE]Democrats do hate America, which is why they spent the last year burning its cities. And they do not support the constitution, as they breached it in order to engineer fraudulent mass mail-in voting without legislation from the state legislatures.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2566124]LOL. Days have past and you are still unable to provide links for stuff you claimed Biden and Fauci said like the link I provided for Maddow's first quarter ratings.

I'll take that as proof that there aren't any and you just made up that stuff or merely repeated what some other noodnik made up. Probably Tucker Carlson.[/QUOTE]I already destroyed your ridiculous Maddow assertion. See Natty Bumpo's post below for more forensic analysis of Fauci's lies. The great Tucker Carlson did indeed do two devastating forensic analyses in the opening segment of his Wednesday and Thursday shows.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566158]Rattled? I think not.[/QUOTE]Trump's support among Repubs is waning, and according to a number of recent polls is well below the 90% your buddy Chris claims. Wink. Also the percentage of Repubs that believe the election was stolen is around 60%, and you can bet your last dollar that this group is heavily weighted toward those without college degrees. That said we are in the driver seat, the winner circle while your poorly educated Repubs are reduced to tears, crying foul over the election they lost. This even though Trump was crying "rigged" long before the first vote was cast. He knew he was going to lose and had the excuse implanted in the minds of fools well in advance.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2566301]Let's not forget that this is an opinion piece. For one thing it contains serious 'allowances'. Presuming that "anything inconsistent with an evolutionary origin [B]has to[/B] be man-made" is ludicrous. There are inconsistences in the theory of evolution that can't be explained outright.

But let's presume the virus did escape from the laboratory. Does it prove a malicious intent or cover up? Only in the same delusional mindset that still believes in the "election steal" after dozens of recounts and court cases have proven it to be a lunacy.

Not everything in science is clear cut. Scientist make mistakes all the time. But assigning malicious intents to a world-class scientist like Dr. Fauci tells more about crackpots who sling those moronic allegations than Fauci.

Not to say we don't need to investigate. We do, but it's got to be a scientific probe, not political.

Which is a wishful thinking, I know.[/QUOTE]After Trump's constant downplaying of the pandemic for his own selfish political ends, mocking mask wearers, prescribing bleach, claiming the numbers were cooked and that it would go away with the warm weather, signing on a quack radiologist (Atlas) who pushed the failed Swedish herd immunity model, then claiming the pandemic would end after the election, etc etc the Repubs have had an insatiable appetite for whataboutisms, conspiracy theories, and any and all distractions. Meanwhile Michael Flynn is calling for a Myanmar style coup and Sidney Powell claims Trump will be "reinstated" by August. Whatever.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2566317]I already destroyed your ridiculous Maddow assertion. See Natty Bumpo's post below for more forensic analysis of Fauci's lies. The great Tucker Carlson did indeed do two devastating forensic analyses in the opening segment of his Wednesday and Thursday shows.[/QUOTE]I didn't assert anything about Maddow. I just posted a link citing her very good cable news ratings. But we're talking about cable news shows, none of which are watched by nearly as many people as the big three broadcast network news shows.

Oh, since you couldn't come up with any suggestion for why ratings-hungry Fox does not have its own evening news program on their regular broadcast network as does ABC, NBC and CBS, I will suggest it is because that program would have to tell the truth as much as reasonably possible or get its free airwaves access license yanked.

So it would be very awkward for this hypothetical "Fox Evening News" program to be reporting the truth about, say, Trump's paltry inauguration crowd to Trump's violent anti-America, cop-attacking, America-hating insurrection mob and everything in between on regular broadcast while Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham and other Fox liars were busy promoting lies about it on the cable news version.

Consequently, Fox leaves a lot of potential money and added viewership bragging rights on the table by not having such a broadcast network evening news program just so they can get away with lying to you without worry that their possibly only real news show on the broadcast airwaves was contradicting every lie told on their fake news cable channel.

NBC and MSNBC does not appear to be worried about that.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2566134]"They told the world that the Covid-19 virus clearly couldn't have been manipulated in the laboratory. But what they actually thought at first sight was that it had been.

The letter from five virologists published in Nature Medicine on March 17,2020, was the single most influential statement in capturing the public narrative about the origin of SARS-CoV-2. Here was an authoritative statement from leading experts assuring the public that in terms of the virus's origin "we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. "

But that's the exact opposite of what these experts thought after taking their first look at the virus. A large batch of emails exchanged with Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was made available this week to BuzzFeed and the Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act. For the most part the emails concern meeting arrangements or messages from cranks and have been redacted of any meaningful information. But one significant email escaped the censor's black marker.

On Jan. 31,2020, shortly after the SARS-CoV-2 genome had been decoded, Kristian Andersen, the five virologists' leader, emailed Dr. Fauci that there were "unusual features" in the virus. These took up only a small percentage of the genome, so that "one has to look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered. "

Mr. Andersen went on to note that he and his team "all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory. " It isn't clear exactly what he meant by this striking phrase. But anything inconsistent with an evolutionary origin has to be man-made.

This remarkable email establishes that the Andersen team's initial reaction was to suspect that SARS-CoV-2 had been engineered in a lab. Their subsequent letter doesn't adequately explain how they overcame this impression.

The furin cleavage site, a small element of the virus that they doubtless had in mind when referring to "unusual features," is an anomalous genetic insertion that could be a sign of laboratory manipulation. The distinguished virologist David Baltimore has called it a smoking gun and "a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2. "

The Andersen team in its letter discusses how the virus could have acquired the furin cleavage site naturally. Their best suggestion is that SARS-CoV-2 picked up the necessary genetic information from people after it had made its jump from bats. But no evidence for this idea has emerged. And it's hard to see why the Andersen team decided that this conjecture should outweigh the appearance of laboratory manipulation.

As virologists, all had a professional interest in not provoking a storm of public condemnation over gain-of-function experiments, the bland name for genetically enhancing the pathogenic power of viruses. After taking one look at the horrific possibility that a lab leak origin for SARS-CoV-2 might cause virology labs all over the world to be closed down, it would seem, the Andersen team decided to disregard their first impressions of possible manipulation. Recall what they said in their letter: "We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. "

Dr. Fauci has long suggested that the virus emerged naturallyuntil the past few weeks, when he started to allow that lab escape is possible and should be investigated. The Jan. 31,2020, email from Mr. Andersen shows that Dr. Fauci knew from the beginning that experts had serious suspicions about the virus's origins. There were many other matters on his agenda at the time, but it's too bad he didn't ask for an independent panel, one not dominated by virologists, to look into the possibility that Chinese researchers genetically manipulating coronaviruses in low-level safety conditions had sparked a global pandemic. "[/QUOTE]Natty, what exactly is the precious "gotcha!" Trumpsters hope to win if it turns out the virus did leak from a lab instead of the far more typical zoonotic mode? My earliest impressions from everything I read previously was only that it was more likely to have originated from a bat rather than created or leaked from a lab in the same way it is more likely the hoof beats you hear outside an Iowa farm house are from horses and not from zebras. It was always clear to me it was only more plausible one way over the other and not that it was "impossible" to have originated in or leaked from a lab. Never heard Fauci say it was impossible.

And now the WSJ opinion piece you quoted from merely states Fauci thinks the lab leak theory ought to be investigated, not that he has concluded or ever "knew it came from a lab" as was asserted by someone else here.

Here is the link for the WSJ opinion piece, btw:
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/fauci-email-bolsters-the-lab-leak-theory-11622830092[/URL]

Lab leak, zoonotic mode, Tinker Bell's pixie dust or something else, sure we want to know how it originated in order to help prevent it from happening again. But the Wuhan wet market connection was really about the first documented super spreading cite, not so much that it "originated" there.

Of course, if it turns out a Chinese lab created the virus as a weapon to unleash on the world, that would be an important discovery. But it would only make Trump's high praise of Xi's transparancy and help in controling the spread in early 2020 look worse as well as the Trump administration resuming the funding for those labs after the Obama administration had put it on pause to investigate the possibility.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2566312]Haha! Fauci gets flat out caught red-handed in a lie, claiming he was certain the virus was natural in origin when he was told back in January 2020 that it was man-made; and of course the fake news leftists start bleating about how "science is not clear cut". LOL. Then why did Fakebook and the rest of social media and mainstream fake news brutally censor the many scientists offering an alternative opinion on covid, lockdown, and much more?

Typical double standards. When it suits them, it's "I FCUKING love science!" When it doesn't, it's "nothing is clear cut in science". When antifa / BLM burns a city and attacks federal buildings, it's a peaceful protest. [b]When Trump supporters file peacefully through a federal building after being invited in by police and cause no damage, it's an insurrection.[/b] When General Petraeus used an unsecure email in a few messages to his girlfriend, he was forced to resign, prosecuted and destroyed. When Crooked Hillary Clinton used an unsecure email for far longer and far more systematically in order to conceal her various crooked deals as Secretary of State, nothing happened to her. When Biden openly bribes the Ukrainians with a billion dollars in US taxpayer money to end in investigation into his crooked crack-smoking son's corrupt deals, nothing happens. When Trump asks the Ukrainians to look into it, he gets impeached..[/QUOTE]Still trying to rewrite history, I see.

You really need to stop believing in fairytales. The orange fruitcake lost. He got kicked to to curb and yet a large majority of republikkkans are told what to think by someone considered so dangerous to democracy and society that he has been banned from social media. He tried to start his own blog but failed at that too. Truly the bigget loser.

"GloboHomo"? Brilliant. Just goes to show that republikkkans are homophobic, misogynistic, racist, xenophobic etc. Too scared to live among "different people"? Go to one of these countries. They, like you, hate everybody:

1. Afghanistan.

2. Sudan.

3. Yemen.

4. Egypt.

5. Iran.

6. Libya.

7. Mauritania.

8. Central African Republic.

9. Russia.

10. Democratic Republic of Congo.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2566317]I already destroyed your ridiculous Maddow assertion. See Natty Bumpo's post below for more forensic analysis of Fauci's lies. The great Tucker Carlson did indeed do two devastating forensic analyses in the opening segment of his Wednesday and Thursday shows.[/QUOTE]Is this the same Tucker Carlson whose legal defense to a lawsuit was that only an idiot would believe any of his "facts"?

[URL]https://www.courierherald.com/opinion/the-tucker-carlson-defense/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2565936]I am proud to be Christian. Christian is a lot better than racism. [/QUOTE]So if you're on a hooker forum you must be the typical hypocritical Christian. Thanks for confirming the theory.

[QUOTE=Canada;2566305]Even the democratic university scientists from Stanford and other big name colleges are calling for full investigation into Fauci. About time.[/QUOTE]No shit?

Gee, you got to be so lonely, huh? Here's my parting gift. Enjoy.

[URL]https://youtu.be/yg7etfg9GV4[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2566315]For a "fake recount", the democrats and fake news sure are keen to get it stopped! Why not just ignore it if it is so "discredited"? They're rattled, as are you. They thought Americans would just surrender to the fraud, but still the spirit of freedom and truth shines despite their best efforts.

The recount will be full, thorough, and verified. That is why it is taking so long. We will see what the results are when they arrive.[/QUOTE]Just for grins, maybe you can enlighten us on all of the experience "Cyber Ninjas" has in conducting election recounts. The fact that Cyber Ninjas is run by a trump supporter doesn't count as "experience". Are Cyber Ninjas certified by the USA Elections Assistance Commission?

[QUOTE=Stykler;2566388]So if you're on a hooker forum you must be the typical hypocritical Christian. Thanks for confirming the theory.[/QUOTE]I think there are more Christians like me on this forum than Atheists like you on this forum.

[QUOTE=Canada;2566621]I think there are more Christians like me on this forum than Atheists like you on this forum.[/QUOTE]I agree with you 100%, Christian hypocrisy putrefies everywhere.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566574]Just for grins, maybe you can enlighten us on all of the experience "Cyber Ninjas" has in conducting election recounts. The fact that Cyber Ninjas is run by a trump supporter doesn't count as "experience". Are Cyber Ninjas certified by the USA Elections Assistance Commission?[/QUOTE]This recount will take years. If they find nothing they will not admit it and if they find something it will be litigated into oblivion because they are so lax in their security and incompetent in their procedures. Yes a certified auditor could have been used but how will the outcome be rigged if that were done? Now the machines have to be decertified because the proper procedures were not undertaken. But gullible Trump supporters have never been interested in facts or the logic they just want to be told what they want to hear.

[QUOTE=Canada;2566621]I think there are more Christians like me on this forum than Atheists like you on this forum.[/QUOTE]You are clearly not a Christian as you don't follow the teachings of Christ. Instead of spending your time here read the teachings of Christ. You will find them in the New testament. Not the Old testament, not Revelations. Christ came to earth to provide guidance about what God really wanted which was diametrically opposed to the Old Testament (aka Judaism). You are clearly rooted in the Old Testament.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2566312]Haha! Fauci gets flat out caught red-handed in a lie, claiming he was certain the virus was natural in origin when he was told back in January 2020 that it was man-made; and of course the fake news leftists start bleating about how "science is not clear cut". LOL. Then why did Fakebook and the rest of social media and mainstream fake news brutally censor the many scientists offering an alternative opinion on covid, lockdown, and much more?

Typical double standards. When it suits them, it's "I FCUKING love science!" When it doesn't, it's "nothing is clear cut in science". When antifa / BLM burns a city and attacks federal buildings, it's a peaceful protest. When Trump supporters file peacefully through a federal building after being invited in by police and cause no damage, it's an insurrection. When General Petraeus used an unsecure email in a few messages to his girlfriend, he was forced to resign, prosecuted and destroyed. When Crooked Hillary Clinton used an unsecure email for far longer and far more systematically in order to conceal her various crooked deals as Secretary of State, nothing happened to her. When Biden openly bribes the Ukrainians with a billion dollars in US taxpayer money to end in investigation into his crooked crack-smoking son's corrupt deals, nothing happens. When Trump asks the Ukrainians to look into it, he gets impeached.

The further the aggressive, hypocritical leftist lunacy goes, the more convinced I am that we cannot live with these people for whom reality is merely an obstacle for their GloboHomo Marxist plans.[/QUOTE]Trump got caught telling 30,000 lies and that does not bother you at all.

Petraeus discussed classified information with his girlfriend. On April 23,2015, Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified materials. He was given a two-year probationary period and a fine of $100,000. The Ukraine story has been debunked so many times it is not funny. But you don't care that it is a lie you just want a moron like Trump to keep destroying the country with his lies.

Just saw this and it perfectly explains Canada!

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2566367]Natty, what exactly is the precious "gotcha!" Trumpsters hope to win if it turns out the virus did leak from a lab instead of the far more typical zoonotic mode? [/QUOTE]Exactly! It was irrelevant at the time. Far more relevant was getting the administration to deal with the problem. So we now have a number of variants, are they man made? Did India develop their own super strain and release it on themselves?

It makes me laugh when people worry about nuclear weapons when the cost of setting up a biowarfare lab is much cheaper and much less traceable. Historically plagues have wiped out 30% of the population, the Spanish flu was responsible for 50 m, pandemics happen and new strains are always evolving. It is only a matter of time for something new and deadly to come along irrespective of the origin. Hopefully someone more competent than Trump will be in charge.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2566367]Natty, what exactly is the precious "gotcha!" Trumpsters hope to win if it turns out the virus did leak from a lab instead of the far more typical zoonotic mode? My earliest impressions from everything I read previously was only that it was more likely to have originated from a bat rather than created or leaked from a lab in the same way it is more likely the hoof beats you hear outside an Iowa farm house are from horses and not from zebras.[/QUOTE]First off, this is not about Trump as Tucker Carlson said. That you Dems keep going back to that is sad.

What it is about is whether we as a people should blindly follow scientists. A favorite Democratic tactic is to say Republicans are not listening to scientists. I call the political actors we have like Fauci "scientists" because so much of what he was talking about was out of his ass. That you Dems just excuse his no mask, one mask, two masks routine is pathetic.

What has come about with the whole Fauci fiasco is that he controlled 99% of the grants the NIH doled out, $32 billion total. A Washington Post reporter said on Joe Rogan's show that a number of scientists were very skeptical of Fauci's claim of where the virus came from, but they were not willing to speak out for fear, and this reporter was very critical of Trump. He was clearly a Democratic leaning but critical of the new found Democratic plague of censorship.

Unlike you Democratic brethren, I am able to be critical of Trump. I remember when Trump listened to President Xi of China who lied and said the virus was contained. Okay, so Trump fucked up. Does it bother you then when Biden said, "Come on, man, China is no problem. "? If not, then why not?

In other words, if you wanted a grant, you had not to look for truth but do the kind of research Fauci wanted, and Fauci wanted scientists to fuck around with and create super viruses.

Did you know that the Anthrax scare of 2001 was a strain created in an American army lab?

Did you also know that Fauci has approved grants keeping super viruses in the USA as well?

Given that information, let me ask you, if the lab leak is not important, then what the hell is? Do you want a lab where scientists are fucking around making viruses even more potent in your back yard?

All you Dems have been calling Republicans stupid because we do not listen to this degreed people. Well, what the emails show is that Fauci was just as political if not more so than Biden or Trump.

My favorite tactic with regards to science and politics is the poll taken for global warming and climate change. The data is not there so the CC advocates just did a poll. Is the same thing going on here? Are the only grants funded the ones showing global warming / climate change exists?

Here is what one person said who attended said conference:

When I arrived at the specified place and time, I found a magnificent hotel, surrounded by hundreds of soldiers and policemen. Everything was absolutely first class. To this day I don't think I've seen its equal in terms of high-end, well-run meetings.

The attendees, as you might suspect, were all well-dressed, and all appeared to be feeling special about attending such impressive, elite meetings. I, on the other hand, had a bit of a Groucho Marx moment: "I can't believe they let me into this place."

Once I started circulating, however, it became clear that "first class" extended no further than the physical layer. The presenters dressed well and tried to use impressive words; their PowerPoint slides were perfect, but the actual content was less than pedestrian.

I heard one speech – in the impressive 'headphone' amphitheater – where the speaker said that vast areas of her home country would be entirely underwater in ten years (which would have been 2009) and that every soul living there would be dead. As evidence, she referred to impressive names and organizations, who had "said so."

As best I could tell, nearly every person at this event was someone making a living from global warming, or else some official's son, daughter, brother-in-law, or cousin. I found none that had any notable substance. They were flying first class, staying at magnificent hotels, eating in the finest restaurants, and, as I later learned, hiring the best prostitutes and snorting the best drugs. And they were doing it all on some government's tab.

End of quote from article.

It is funny that I read Glen Greenwald and Matt Taibbi all the time. They are clearly Democrat leaning but at least they pursue the truth.

Thing with you leftist Dems is that not one of you questions anything. Real intelligence is refuting the author's case. What did he get wrong?

Instead you will find some obscure fact about the guy and say he is an idiot. That is the kind of person I call a Democratic douche. I wonder if you are a person who votes Democrat or is a Democratic douche.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2566675]This recount will take years. If they find nothing they will not admit it and if they find something it will be litigated into oblivion because they are so lax in their security and incompetent in their procedures. Yes a certified auditor could have been used but how will the outcome be rigged if that were done? Now the machines have to be decertified because the proper procedures were not undertaken. But [b]gullible Trump supporters[/b] have never been interested in facts or the logic they just want to be told what they want to hear.[/QUOTE]Every single supporter of the orange fruitcake is gullible. All trump supporters are Christian. Therefore, using the logic of trump supporters, all Christians are gullible.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2566681]You are clearly not a Christian as you don't follow the teachings of Christ. Instead of spending your time here read the teachings of Christ. You will find them in the New testament. Not the Old testament, not Revelations. Christ came to earth to provide guidance about what God really wanted which was diametrically opposed to the Old Testament (aka Judaism). You are clearly rooted in the Old Testament.[/QUOTE]Typical democrat atheist explaining the teachings of Christ. You are a joke😂128514;128514;.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2566689]Trump got caught telling 30,000 lies and that does not bother you at all.

Petraeus discussed classified information with his girlfriend. On April 23,2015, Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified materials. He was given a two-year probationary period and a fine of $100,000. The Ukraine story has been debunked so many times it is not funny. But you don't care that it is a lie you just want a moron like Trump to keep destroying the country with his lies.[/QUOTE]It looks you just surpassed Trumps 30,000 lies with your knee post. Pretty soon you will surpass all Trump and Biden lies in total.

[QUOTE=Canada;2566933]Typical democrat atheist explaining the teachings of Christ. You are a joke..[/QUOTE]I was educated in a Christian school so I know what the teachings of Christ are. The fact that very few Christians actually follow these teachings and that the whole church system is about power and control not about following the teachings of Christ was a major influence in me becoming an atheist. All these rituals, all the rote prayers, they are all to keep people in the system. The fact you worship a guy is is a serial adulterer, a serial liar, a their who defrauded so many small time contractors, defrauded taxes, incompetently ran businesses, defrauded charities, never repents, never turns the other cheek, is abusive and generally a despicable human being is clear evidence that you have no respect for Christian values just like about 70% of the Christians I meet.

Today is June 8, 2021, a day to observe two minutes of silence to honor the memory of the 36 US Navy sailors who were brutally killed by Israeli jet fighters and torpedo boats. On the same day, June 8, 1967,167 sailors were wounded and strafed with napalm.

Fifty-four (54) years later these brave soldiers have yet to be recognized for their valor. Since that shameful day, every US Administration, Secretary of Defense, Pentagon Brass, and a whole passel of corrupt politicians have refused to acknowledge this heinous act because Israel and her politicians are Washington's darlings. And for this brazenly murderous assault, billions upon billions have been showered on a nation that thrives on hatred, racism, apartheid, religious fanaticism, and war mongering.

Joe Biden and his ilk proclaim that they are fighting for the soul of America.

Joe Robinette Biden, if you have a soul, especially when you invoke the vacuous clich "May God Bless our troops," as you would have us believe, you could have and should have in your 40+ years of political pandering, acknowledged these brave service men and given them their due.

Forsaken by a government that has offered these sons, fathers, and grandfathers as sacrificial lambs on the altar of political pandering, expediency, and hypocrisy, please observe two minutes of silence.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566906]First off, this is not about Trump as Tucker Carlson said. That you Dems keep going back to that is sad.

What it is about is whether we as a people should blindly follow scientists. A favorite Democratic tactic is to say Republicans are not listening to scientists. I call the political actors we have like Fauci "scientists" because so much of what he was talking about was out of his ass. That you Dems just excuse his no mask, one mask, two masks routine is pathetic.

What has come about with the whole Fauci fiasco is that he controlled 99% of the grants the NIH doled out, $32 billion total. A Washington Post reporter said on Joe Rogan's show that a number of scientists were very skeptical of Fauci's claim of where the virus came from, but they were not willing to speak out for fear, and this reporter was very critical of Trump. He was clearly a Democratic leaning but critical of the new found Democratic plague of censorship.[/QUOTE]Here you go again with the BS.

[B]"That you Dems just excuse his no mask, one mask, two masks routine is pathetic."[/B] Evidently you believe that the earth is flat and the earth is the center of the universe. I know this because you believe that once something is "known", it is impossible to change one's thinking.

[B]What has come about with the whole Fauci fiasco is that he controlled 99% of the grants the NIH doled out, $32 billion total.[/B] Really? Care to provide a source on the 99% claim? Nope.

[B]Unlike you Democratic brethren, I am able to be critical of Trump. [/B] What BS. Donnie knew that the virus was dangerous yet lied about it and downplayed it. He made wearing masks political. You have never criticized him for that.

Bringing *ucker Carlson into any argument negates the argument. His defense in his slander case was that anybody would be an idiot if they believed anything he said. So what does that make you?

[QUOTE=GDreams;2566972]I was educated in a Christian school so I know what the teachings of Christ are. The fact that very few Christians actually follow these teachings. Christian values just like about 70% of the Christians I meet.[/QUOTE]Many different types of Christian schools. Was rattlesnake wrangling and strychnine imbibing a part of the curriculum at yours?

70% of those you meet not living up to the ideal? You really ought to consider improving your social circle. Or consider that we're all a work-in-progress.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2567267]Many different types of Christian schools. Was rattlesnake wrangling and strychnine imbibing a part of the curriculum at yours?

70% of those you meet not living up to the ideal? You really ought to consider improving your social circle. Or consider that we're all a work-in-progress.[/QUOTE]I actually find true Christians to be very nice people, after all the whole philosophy about Christianity is being nice to others no matter what. Unfortunately most of the Christians I meet live firmly in the OLD Testament as that is where human nature more naturally resides but is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ. The people who crafted the bible did a big disservice including the OLD Testament stuff but they probably realized that much of what they do as rulers contradicts the teachings of Christ so they needed some out. The thing I find most funny is the two most important celebrations in the Christian calendar are the Winter Solstice and the Spring celebrations (just love those Easter bunnies and Easter eggs representing pagan fertility). I just shake my head when people talk about being God fearing when he. She (it) is meant to be the god of love. Jesus says we have a direct line to god, so why listen to all these purveyors of nonsense. You know in your own heart whether what you do is good or bad? Is that not god talking back to you?

...but Joe Biden is not one of them.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2567119]Today is June 8, 2021, a day to observe two minutes of silence to honor the memory of the 36 US Navy sailors who were brutally killed by Israeli jet fighters and torpedo boats. On the same day, June 8, 1967,167 sailors were wounded and strafed with napalm.

Fifty-four (54) years later these brave soldiers have yet to be recognized for their valor. Since that shameful day, every US Administration, Secretary of Defense, Pentagon Brass, and a whole passel of corrupt politicians have refused to acknowledge this heinous act because Israel and her politicians are Washington's darlings. And for this brazenly murderous assault, billions upon billions have been showered on a nation that thrives on hatred, racism, apartheid, religious fanaticism, and war mongering.

Joe Biden and his ilk proclaim that they are fighting for the soul of America.

Joe Robinette Biden, if you have a soul, especially when you invoke the vacuous clich "May God Bless our troops," as you would have us believe, you could have and should have in your 40+ years of political pandering, acknowledged these brave service men and given them their due.

Forsaken by a government that has offered these sons, fathers, and grandfathers as sacrificial lambs on the altar of political pandering, expediency, and hypocrisy, please observe two minutes of silence.[/QUOTE][B]USS Liberty incident[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]Result[/b]
Official apology issued by Israeli government; financial restitution made to victims, victims families, and the U.S. government; See Aftermath of the attack.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567126]I know this because you believe that once something is "known", it is impossible to change one's thinking.[/QUOTE]Hmm, let me see an example of this with you PVM.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567126]Distancing works and so does hand washing.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/14/qa-does-handwashing-stem-the-transmission-of-covid-19[/URL]

Surface transmission may happen, but speaking and coughing seem to play a much larger role. It now says surface transmission is "not thought to be a common way that Covid-19 spreads".

Do you think the world was flat?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567126]What has come about with the whole Fauci fiasco is that he controlled 99% of the grants the NIH doled out, $32 billion total. Really? Care to provide a source on the 99% claim? Nope.[/QUOTE]Go to 6:00 on this video and watch for 45 seconds. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhKlkkc2Eo[/URL].

Care to say where you came with the bullshit notion Fauci does not control 99% of the NIH grant money douche?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567126]Bringing Tucker Carlson into any argument negates the argument. His defense in his slander case was that anybody would be an idiot if they believed anything he said. So what does that make you?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html[/URL]

Ad Hominem:

This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution.

Student: Hey, Professor Moore, we shouldn't have to read this book by Freud. Everyone knows he used cocaine.

So that makes me rational and you an illogical Democratic.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2567347]I actually find true Christians to be very nice people, after all the whole philosophy about Christianity is being nice to others no matter what. Unfortunately most of the Christians I meet live firmly in the OLD Testament as that is where human nature more naturally resides but is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ. The people who crafted the bible did a big disservice including the OLD Testament stuff but they probably realized that much of what they do as rulers contradicts the teachings of Christ so they needed some out. The thing I find most funny is the two most important celebrations in the Christian calendar are the Winter Solstice and the Spring celebrations (just love those Easter bunnies and Easter eggs representing pagan fertility). I just shake my head when people talk about being God fearing when he. She (it) is meant to be the god of love. Jesus says we have a direct line to god, so why listen to all these purveyors of nonsense. You know in your own heart whether what you do is good or bad? Is that not god talking back to you?[/QUOTE]True enough.

It is mind boggling, though, how "Christians" believe that a serial liar, a guy who has cheated on all 3 of his wives and has had 5 kids with 3 different woman somehow represents THEM. Or was sent to them by God. WTAF?

Those same people believe that nobody can make them wear a mask yet would be first in line to beat someone to a pulp for ignoring a "No shirt. No shoes. No service. " sign at their local watering hole. Do they even know the meaning of hypocrisy?

Or, even worse, use the "my body, my choice" argument for not wearing a mask but reject that same argument when a woman uses it as an abortion argument. Pro-life, my patootie. Pro-birth only.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2566972]I was educated in a Christian school so I know what the teachings of Christ are. The fact that very few Christians actually follow these teachings and that the whole church system is about power and control not about following the teachings of Christ was a major influence in me becoming an atheist. All these rituals, all the rote prayers, they are all to keep people in the system. The fact you worship a guy is is a serial adulterer, a serial liar, a their who defrauded so many small time contractors, defrauded taxes, incompetently ran businesses, defrauded charities, never repents, never turns the other cheek, is abusive and generally a despicable human being is clear evidence that you have no respect for Christian values just like about 70% of the Christians I meet.[/QUOTE]Sums up putrid religion perfectly. Well done.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2567425]...but Joe Biden is not one of them.[/QUOTE]Yes, indeed, some people don't have to pay reparations and compensations for three-quarters of a century (and counting) when a simple little apology will do.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2567598]Hmm, let me see an example of this with you PVM.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/14/qa-does-handwashing-stem-the-transmission-of-covid-19[/URL]

Surface transmission may happen, but speaking and coughing seem to play a much larger role. It now says surface transmission is "not thought to be a common way that Covid-19 spreads".

Do you think the world was flat?

Go to 6:00 on this video and watch for 45 seconds. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhKlkkc2Eo[/URL].

Care to say where you came with the bullshit notion Fauci does not control 99% of the NIH grant money douche?

[URL]https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html[/URL]

Ad Hominem:.[/QUOTE]Once again, you shift arguments.

Yes, coughing is certainly a better transmitter of COVID than touch. But that's what we know now. The anti-maskers point to Fauci's differing mask positions and say (like you do) that he changed his mind. So the article you thoughtfully provided backs up that position 100%. You can't have things both ways. But, like a typical Repiblikkkan, that's what you want.

A Youtube video? Really?

You can BS all you want about ad hominum arguments but using someone as "proof" whose own lawyers said "nothing this guy says is believable" is, frankly, ludicrous.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2567425]...but Joe Biden is not one of them.

[B]USS Liberty incident[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident[/URL][/QUOTE]Right-wing anti-Semites.

Left-wing anti-Semites.

Anti-Semites is a keyword here. Nothing else matters.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2567347]I actually find true Christians to be very nice people, after all the whole philosophy about Christianity is being nice to others no matter what. Unfortunately most of the Christians I meet live firmly in the OLD Testament as that is where human nature more naturally resides but is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ. The people who crafted the bible did a big disservice including the OLD Testament stuff but they probably realized that much of what they do as rulers contradicts the teachings of Christ so they needed some out. The thing I find most funny is the two most important celebrations in the Christian calendar are the Winter Solstice and the Spring celebrations (just love those Easter bunnies and Easter eggs representing pagan fertility). I just shake my head when people talk about being God fearing when he. She (it) is meant to be the god of love. Jesus says we have a direct line to god, so why listen to all these purveyors of nonsense. You know in your own heart whether what you do is good or bad? Is that not god talking back to you?[/QUOTE]You've identified a huge and vital distinction: True Christians and then these fundamentalist Christian zionists.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567743]Once again, you shift arguments.[/QUOTE]Not switching at all. Issue is whether you adjust, and you do not. You said hand washing works for Covid and it does not.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567743]The anti-maskers point to Fauci's differing mask positions and say (like you do) that he changed his mind. So the article you thoughtfully provided backs up that position 100%. You can't have things both ways. But, like a typical Repiblikkkan, that's what you want.[/QUOTE]I did not say masks did not work. Fauci did. Then he said he lied. Being a Democratic douche, you let the lie pass. Then he says masks work. Okay fine. Then he ridiculously says wear two masks.

As a public health official, he needs credibility. I wanted people to wear masks. I wanted Fauci to say exactly what you did, that he changed his mind based on better data. He did not. He said he lied. He thought saying he lied was more credible than saying he did not know.

You douches elevated a liar to saint status just to put down Trump.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567743]A Youtube video? Really?[/QUOTE]This is THE definition of a Democratic douche. Ignoring the data. "I am a scientist. I believe in the data. " I ask, "Well, what about this data?" If it is on you tube, it does not count. Science is dealing with data. You Democratic douches are not scientists. You only look at data that supports your POV and ignore the rest.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567743]You can BS all you want about ad hominum arguments but using someone as "proof" whose own lawyers said "nothing this guy says is believable" is, frankly, ludicrous.[/QUOTE]This is the more of the same. You cannot ignore data and POVs and your call yourself rational and scientific. You have shown yourself now to be illogical, unscientific, and a name caller.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2567745]Anti-Semites is a keyword here. Nothing else matters.[/QUOTE]You've just defined 'anti-semitism': it's anything that a semite doesn't like. Nothing else matters.

If any other country had attacked an American ship as the Liberty was attacked, what do you suppose would have been the US response?

[URL]https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/10/24/israel-s-attack-on-the-liberty-revisited/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2568008]Not switching at all. Issue is whether you adjust, and you do not. You said hand washing works for Covid and it does not.

I did not say masks did not work. Fauci did. Then he said he lied. Being a Democratic douche, you let the lie pass. Then he says masks work. Okay fine. Then he ridiculously says wear two masks.

As a public health official, he needs credibility. I wanted people to wear masks. I wanted Fauci to say exactly what you did, that he changed his mind based on better data. He did not. He said he lied. He thought saying he lied was more credible than saying he did not know.

You douches elevated a liar to saint status just to put down Trump.

This is THE definition of a Democratic douche. Ignoring the data. "I am a scientist. I believe in the data. " I ask, "Well, what about this data?" If it is on you tube, it does not count. Science is dealing with data. You Democratic douches are not scientists. You only look at data that supports your POV and ignore the rest.

This is the more of the same. You cannot ignore data and POVs and your call yourself rational and scientific. You have shown yourself now to be illogical, unscientific, and a name caller.[/QUOTE]Dr. Fauci said many TIMES that his advice on masks changed based on new information. Following are just three of the hundreds of articles about it:

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/03/fact-check-missing-context-claim-mask-emails-fauci/7531267002/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/10/20/is-trump-right-that-fauci-discouraged-wearing-masks/?sh=792429f74969[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/world/fauci-pushes-back-against-trump-for-misrepresenting-his-stance-on-masks.html[/URL]

The only people who refuse to believe what he said are Republikkkans. What's worse, though, is you accuse him of lying because he changed his mind based on new info. You don't get to do that.

And I don't rely on Youtube videos because there is not text associated with it. But if you can find any substantive written proof of your BS 99% assertion, have at it.

And anyone who uses anything that *ucker Carlson says as "proof" of anything is just as intelligent as *ucker's lawyers said they were.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2567745]Anti-Semites is a keyword here. Nothing else matters.[/QUOTE]You've just defined 'anti-Semitism': it's anything that a semite doesn't like. Nothing else matters.

If any other country had attacked an American ship as the Liberty was attacked, what do you suppose would have been the US response?

[URL]https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/10/24/israel-s-attack-on-the-liberty-revisited/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568180]And anyone who uses anything that *ucker Carlson says as "proof" of anything is just as intelligent as *ucker's lawyers said they were.[/QUOTE]Touche. And Tucker himself knows that he is full of shit. He is just pulling the heart strings of dumb people for ratings and his personal enrichment. Not to mention that the whole world has been wearing masks. Fauci is hardly alone in his professional assessments. Reminds me of all the fools that were going around claiming that Covid was a hoax and conspiracy to thwart Trump's re-election. The fact that people were suffering and dying all over the globe never crossed their minds. They simply didn't have enough mental faculties to think to the next logical step.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567617]Or, even worse, use the "my body, my choice" argument for not wearing a mask but reject that same argument when a woman uses it as an abortion argument.[/QUOTE]Trying to equate a useless piece of cloth that Fauci knew all along made no difference to the transmission of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate, to the killing of a human life. Damn, leftards are both stupid and disgusting.

Equally stupid is using "my body my choice" to allow women to abort their babies, but simultaneously be in favour of forcing people to take an untested DNA-altering "vaccine" on pain of being prevented from functioning in society. The cognitive dissonance of the left is so insane that if they were intelligent enough to realize it they would all have aneurysms on the spot.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2567425]Yes, some of us are indeed 54 years behind on the news...
...but Joe Biden is not one of them.[/QUOTE]Actually, Joe does seem to think it's 1967 most of the time. "Huh? Where am I? Get your record player. You know. The thing!

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2568194]You've just defined 'anti-Semitism': it's anything that a semite doesn't like. Nothing else matters.

If any other country had attacked an American ship as the Liberty was attacked, what do you suppose would have been the US response?

[URL]https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/10/24/israel-s-attack-on-the-liberty-revisited/[/URL][/QUOTE]Excellent point. Apparently Israel "made an apology", and the US said "sure, no problem", and kept sending them billions of taxpayer dollars and cutting edge weapons every year.

I wonder if they would have had the same reaction to any other country that destroyed a US warship in a sustained attack? And I wonder if the media would completely refuse to publicize it? And if not, why not?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2567743]You can BS all you want about ad hominum arguments[/QUOTE]Ad hominem arguments are not "BS"; they are a well-known tactic used by people who cannot adequately respond to the points that someone raises, so instead try and attack the person who raises them. As you are trying and failing to do with Tucker Carlson, the #1 cable news show host in the history of the medium.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568180]Dr. Fauci said many TIMES that his advice on masks changed based on new information.[/QUOTE]No, the timelines of the emails show that what he was saying privately and publicly at the same time were entirely different.

But much more important than the mask lies is his funding of exactly the gain of function research that created the virus, and his attempts to cover it up. The frantic emails to his co-conspirators to try to throw off the scent; and his claims that he was certain it was naturally occurring, when his emails showed he had already been told by multiple scientists that it was almost certainly artificially created in a lab.

If Roger Stone can be convicted for forgetting some dates, Fauci needs to rot in supermax for the rest of his life for the illegal gain of function supervirus research he funded and the wilful disinformation and cover-up he undertook toward the American people, which cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2568194]You've just defined 'anti-Semitism': it's anything that a semite doesn't like. Nothing else matters.

If any other country had attacked an American ship as the Liberty was attacked, what do you suppose would have been the US response?

[URL]https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/10/24/israel-s-attack-on-the-liberty-revisited/[/URL][/QUOTE]What anti-Semites don't get is that we've heard all these old lies before. It's not like you're bringing anything new to the table. The truth is, you're a very trivial anti-Semite. A dime a dozen.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2568274]What anti-Semites don't get is that we've heard all these old lies before. It's not like you're bringing anything new to the table. The truth is, you're a very trivial anti-Semite. A dime a dozen.[/QUOTE]Yet again an ad hominem attack and evasion of the question.

If any other country had launched a sustained air assault upon a US warship leaving many dead, would America have simply accepted an "apology" and gone on to send them billions of taxpayer dollars and cutting edge military technology? Would the US media have completely blocked all coverage of the event? Yes or no answer will do to start, then if you really want to get a nosebleed you could try and answer the question "why?

[URL]https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/utah-state-rep-steve-christiansen-az-audit-tour-golden-incredible-amazing-experience/[/URL]

The painstaking and forensic hand recount of the votes in Maricopa County, Arizona is nearing completion. We will soon find out who really won the state. Even better, representatives from Georgia and Michigan, where the GOP controls the state legislatures, were on hand to watch and learn, before activating similar recounts to uncover the fraud that went on in their states. Nevada, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to follow.

Huge congratulations to the patriots standing strong for truth and freedom. America still has men and women who are not cowed by the globalist deep state and are prepared to stand up for our country before the democrats and their antifa / BLM footsoldiers and open borders destroy it forever.

To return the topic to our hobby, in the world the globalist dems have in mind, we can kiss it goodbye. First off, they want to make it near impossible for anyone but the super-rich elite to travel internationally. Second, they want to reduce the living standards of Americans to those of the Third World (that is "equity" Third, they want to potentially criminalize any man who has sex with a woman, particularly P4P.

Believe you me, Kamala Harris and the rest of Biden's handlers hate with a burning passion every man on this site. If they get what they want, say goodbye to mongering. We won't be able to travel; we won't have any money to travel or pay the chicks; and we will end up in jail if we somehow do.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568244]No, the timelines of the emails show that what he was saying privately and publicly at the same time were entirely different.

But much more important than the mask lies is his funding of exactly the gain of function research that created the virus, and his attempts to cover it up. The frantic emails to his co-conspirators to try to throw off the scent; and his claims that he was certain it was naturally occurring, when his emails showed he had already been told by multiple scientists that it was almost certainly artificially created in a lab.

If Roger Stone can be convicted for forgetting some dates, Fauci needs to rot in supermax for the rest of his life for the illegal gain of function supervirus research he funded and the wilful disinformation and cover-up he undertook toward the American people, which cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars.[/QUOTE]When FUX News Channel can't even find enough vaguely damning evidence in those emails to spin a phony outrage out of nothing, you know with absolute certainty there is nothing there.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-chris-wallace-defends-fauci-rips-highly-political-gop-attacks-over-covid-emails-1597892[/URL]

Were you on the CC/BCC list for Fauci's emails and reading stuff nobody at FUX News Channel has seen?

What an absolute moron, and the last person that should be doling out medical advice.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/republican-u-s-sen-ron-johnson-suspended-for-a-week-from-youtube-for-covid-misinformation/ar-AAKXlIX?ocid=msedgntp[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568230]Trying to equate a useless piece of cloth that Fauci knew all along made no difference to the transmission of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate, to the killing of a human life. Damn, leftards are both stupid and disgusting.

Equally stupid is using "my body my choice" to allow women to abort their babies, but simultaneously be in favour of forcing people to take an untested DNA-altering "vaccine" on pain of being prevented from functioning in society. The cognitive dissonance of the left is so insane that if they were intelligent enough to realize it they would all have aneurysms on the spot.[/QUOTE]The COVID vaccine alters people's DNA? Really? Who said that, *ucker? [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/01/11/covid-19-vaccines-cant-alter-your-dna-heres-why/?sh=343786582491[/URL].

I suppose you believe it magnetizes you, too. SMH [URL]https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/can-vaccines-make-our-body-magnetic[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568236]Ad hominem arguments are not "BS"; they are a well-known tactic used by people who cannot adequately respond to the points that someone raises, so instead try and attack the person who raises them. As you are trying and failing to do with Tucker Carlson, the #1 cable news show host in the history of the medium.[/QUOTE]The fact that lots of people watch, and believe, Carlson is not the same as using what Carlson says as "proof" of anything. "The lies that Tucker Carlson asserts on his Fox News show are not slanderous because any "reasonable" person would know that he lies." [URL]https://www.courierherald.com/opinion/the-tucker-carlson-defense/[/URL].

What you assert is that Ford makes better vehicles than Mercedes because Ford sells more cars.

Why are kkkonservatives so ignorant?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2568274]What anti-Semites don't get is that we've heard all these old lies before. It's not like you're bringing anything new to the table.[/QUOTE]What self-identifying ashkanazim and assorted noahides don't get is that they're incapable of seeing the consequences of their supremacist behavior. We've heard all their old lies repeated ad nauseum until now with nothing new to say all they can do is bleat anti-semitism at any trivial thing that they don't like.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2568335]Ron Johnson[/QUOTE]HCQ has been shown in recent studies to be effective. And who the hell knows what the latest "official" li (n) e is. They change it all the time: first they said it couldn't be transferred human to human; then they said fatality rates could be as high as 5% (actually it's 0. 1% then they said masks were ineffective, then they said they were effective, now we're finding out they were always ineffective; and of course they claimed that it was naturally occurring and pure coincidence that it originated next door to the Wuhan Virology Institute (LOL) which we are now finding was yet another official falsehood. Basically the WHO is the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party.

But the real story here is that a United States Senator has been censored. The idea that any American should have their First Amendment rights violated for questioning the "official narrative" of anything is disgraceful, but the fact Big Tech / Deep State feels free to do so to elected representatives is an abomination which cannot go unaddressed if this country is to remain free.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2568293]When FUX News Channel can't even find enough vaguely damning evidence in those emails to spin a phony outrage out of nothing, you know with absolute certainty there is nothing there.
[/QUOTE]Chris Wallace is part of the fake news establishment who happens to have a weekend show at Fox. Not quite sure why he is there; he would be more at home at CNN, with an audience consisting of people watching at airports with the sound turned down. The proper Fox hosts, whom people actually watch voluntarily, have gone into detail with regard to Fauci's falsehoods, as has Senator Rand Paul.

The fact that the fake news have refused to publicise Fauci's lies and criminality doesn't mean it didn't happen. Quite the contrary, as with Hunter's laptop, and indeed the Israeli destruction of the USS Liberty.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568395]The fact that lots of people watch, and believe, Carlson blablabla[/QUOTE]More ad hominem rubbish, and no answers to the points raised about Fauci's falsehoods, involvement in funding the development of the virus, and trying to cover his ass afterward.

President Trump just posted it perfectly, as usual:

"Have you noticed that they are now admitting I was right about everything they lied about before the election?

Hydroxychloroquine works.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab.

Hunter Biden's laptop was real.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op.

The "Russian Bounties" story was fake.

We did produce vaccines before the end of 2020, in record time.

Blue state lockdowns didn't work.

Schools should be opened.

Critical Race Theory is a disaster for our schools and our Country.

Our Southern Border security program was unprecedentedly successful".

Trump 10 - Fake News Deep State Dems 0.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568244]No, the timelines of the emails show that what he was saying privately and publicly at the same time were entirely different.

But much more important than the mask lies is his funding of exactly the gain of function research that created the virus, and his attempts to cover it up. The frantic emails to his co-conspirators to try to throw off the scent; and his claims that he was certain it was naturally occurring, when his emails showed he had already been told by multiple scientists that it was almost certainly artificially created in a lab.

If Roger Stone can be convicted for forgetting some dates, Fauci needs to rot in supermax for the rest of his life for the illegal gain of function supervirus research he funded and the wilful disinformation and cover-up he undertook toward the American people, which cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars.[/QUOTE]Great post, Chris P. I agree 100%. You would think that the liberals and leftists, who are supposed to value human life so much more than conservatives, would be furious with Fauci.

But no matter what Fauci says or does, the Dems publicly support him. In private though, I think they are going to oust him and give him a hero's send off when he should be in jail.

As I migrate away from what conservatism in America is becoming and reluctantly embracing some of Democrat policies (overemphasis on social messaging keeps that at bay), I'm glad to see some of the Biden stance on international relations.

Biden presses G-7 to take firmer stance against China - [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/558123-biden-to-press-g7-to-call-out-chinas-forced-labor-practices[/URL].

What I like about this message is the idea of "outcompeting" China despite their scrupulous business practices. The previous administration's strategy of painting China as the "enemy" always sounded like the sour grapes of a kid complaining about the other team cheating. It created an air of warmongering that was off-putting to me. While I have little regard for China's domestic policies and even their culture, I do respect the efficacy of their One Belt One Road strategy of investing in poor nations in order to expand their sphere of influence. In response, I believe that outcompeting them is the strategy of champions, rather than the venomous-borderline warmongering strategy. But we can't do it by ourselves. China's neighbors already dislike them. If the Europeans stay firmly on board, sacrificing some short term benefits of dealing with China, the CCP will be limited in how fast they can grow.

Just my two cents of how to approach the troubling problem of containing China's reach into what has traditionally been our strongholds.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568454]HCQ has been shown in recent studies to be effective. And who the hell knows what the latest "official" li (n) e is. They change it all the time: first they said it couldn't be transferred human to human; then they said fatality rates could be as high as 5% (actually it's 0. 1% then they said masks were ineffective, then they said they were effective, now we're finding out they were always ineffective; and of course they claimed that it was naturally occurring and pure coincidence that it originated next door to the Wuhan Virology Institute (LOL) which we are now finding was yet another official falsehood. Basically the WHO is the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party.

[b]But the real story here is that a United States Senator has been censored.[/b] The idea that any American should have their First Amendment rights violated for questioning the "official narrative" of anything is disgraceful, but the fact Big Tech / Deep State feels free to do so to elected representatives is an abomination which cannot go unaddressed if this country is to remain free.[/QUOTE]Yes, Liz Cheney was censored. By Republikkkans.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568478]President Trump just posted it perfectly, as usual:

"Have you noticed that they are now admitting I was right about everything they lied about before the election?

Hydroxychloroquine works.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab.

Hunter Biden's laptop was real.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op.

The "Russian Bounties" story was fake.

We did produce vaccines before the end of 2020, in record time.

Blue state lockdowns didn't work.

Schools should be opened.

Critical Race Theory is a disaster for our schools and our Country.

Our Southern Border security program was unprecedentedly successful".

Trump 10 - Fake News Deep State Dems 0.[/QUOTE]Great post and I don't think anyone can argue against it. They can just ignore it like the fake news does. Amazing that these issues were called Trump lies and now there are proven true to the dismay of the socialists.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568559]Yes, Liz Cheney was censored. By Republikkkans.[/QUOTE]If you cannot understand the difference between being removed from a position in a political party by elected representatives of that party, and being censored by social media companies used by the majority of Americans which have benefited from Section 230 privileges specifically designating them a platform not a publisher to become the modern-day public square, then you are an even bigger cretin than I thought.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568454]HCQ has been shown in recent studies to be effective. And who the hell knows what the latest "official" li (n) e is. They change it all the time: first they said it couldn't be transferred human to human; then [b]they said fatality rates could be as high as 5% (actually it's 0. 1% [/b]then they said masks were ineffective, then they said they were effective, now we're finding out they were always ineffective; and of course they claimed that it was naturally occurring and pure coincidence that it originated next door to the Wuhan Virology Institute (LOL) which we are now finding was yet another official falsehood. Basically the WHO is the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party.

But the real story here is that a United States Senator has been censored. The idea that any American should have their First Amendment rights violated for questioning the "official narrative" of anything is disgraceful, but the fact Big Tech / Deep State feels free to do so to elected representatives is an abomination which cannot go unaddressed if this country is to remain free.[/QUOTE]No wonder "trickle down economics" don't work. Republikkkans can't do math. 3.8 million deaths out of 176.4 million cases is a fatality rate (worldwide) of 2. 15%. [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?[/URL].

Just because Republikkkans are too ignorant to wear a mask doesn't mean that everyone is. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/cloth-mask-is-a-powerful-weapon-against-coronavirus-224321477.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568456]The fact that the fake news have refused to publicise Fauci's lies and criminality doesn't mean it didn't happen..[/QUOTE]Mr. Q and what's about the 600 000 dead from a non existing Virus?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568283]Yet again an ad hominem attack and evasion of the question.

If any other country had launched a sustained air assault upon a US warship leaving many dead, would America have simply accepted an "apology" and gone on to send them billions of taxpayer dollars and cutting edge military technology? Would the US media have completely blocked all coverage of the event? Yes or no answer will do to start, then if you really want to get a nosebleed you could try and answer the question "why?[/QUOTE]The problem with your assessment is this.

You and Golfinho are liars.

Liberty was a tragic mistake. Nothing more, nothing less.

Every sane person knows it was a mistake. After a detailed and thorough investigation by the USA And Israeli governments it was established beyond any doubt, even unreasonable, that USS Libery was mistaken for an Egyptian ship.

Only a complete moron and / or rabid anti-Semite can spread the idiotic idea that Israel (during the war, mind you) would've [B]knowingly[/B] attacked a ship of their only true ally in the whole wide world. And then, mind you, pay multimillion dollar compensation and damages. Yeah, totally plausible, why the fuck not.

This is on the same level as denying Holocaust. You must be genuinely sick to believe such nonsense or really, really sick spreading the lies while not believing in it.

But it's up to you. If you admit that you and Golfinho are complete and utter morons, well, OK then. I might believe you aren't liars, just morons.

However, if you deny that you and Golfinho are complete and utter morons, then the conclusion is inevitable. You are liars and rabid anti-Semites. This is a fact. And stating a fact is not an ad hominem attack, it's just stating a fact.

If you don't want to be called a liar, don't lie. If you don't want to be called an anti-Semite don't spread anti-Semitic bullshit.

Easy-peasy, really.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2568660]The problem with your assessment is this.

You and Golfinho are liars.

Liberty was a tragic mistake. Nothing more, nothing less.

[b]Every sane person knows it was a mistake.[/b] After a detailed and thorough investigation by the USA And Israeli governments it was established beyond any doubt, even unreasonable, that USS Libery was mistaken for an Egyptian ship.

Only a complete moron and / or rabid anti-Semite can spread the idiotic idea that Israel (during the war, mind you) would've [B]knowingly[/B] attacked a ship of their only true ally in the whole wide world. And then, mind you, pay multimillion dollar compensation and damages. Yeah, totally plausible, why the fuck not.

This is on the same level as denying Holocaust. You must be genuinely sick to believe such nonsense or really, really sick spreading the lies while not believing in it.

But it's up to you. If you admit that you and Golfinho are complete and utter morons, well, OK then. I might believe you aren't liars, just morons..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, "every sane person" leaves out the majority of trump supporters.

Any person who believes that the COVID vaccine changes your DNA or that the orange fruitcake won the election or that COVID has a 0.1% fatality rate, etc, is, by definition, insane. They live in their own little fantasy world where up is down, morning is night, trump never told a lie, tucker Carlson tells the truth and proof is what they say it is.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568717]Unfortunately, "every sane person" leaves out the majority of trump supporters. Any person who believes that the COVID vaccine changes your DNA or that the orange fruitcake won the election or that COVID has a 0.1% fatality rate, etc, is, by definition, insane. They live in their own little fantasy world.[/QUOTE]You're living in your own little fantasy world if you equate an understanding of the attack on the Liberty with supporting Trump or opposing covid vaccinations. A reflection of your mentality as absurd as equating objections to Isreali double-standards and crimes with anti-semitism.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568478]President Trump just posted it perfectly, as usual:

"Have you noticed that they are now admitting I was right about everything they lied about before the election?

Hydroxychloroquine works.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab.

Hunter Biden's laptop was real.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op.[/QUOTE]Hydroxychloroquine works. This is, of course, complete bullshit. See [URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2016638[/URL] and [URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370[/URL](20) 30389-8/ fulltext.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab. This is far from a proven fact. Plus, trump claimed the release was dejliberate. [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/06/18/trump-suggests-china-may-have-intentionally-allowed-coronavirus-to-spread/?sh=8b733f233f1c[/URL].

Hunter Biden's laptop was real. And even Fux News couldn't make much out of it.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op. And this comes out after HOW MANY months? If this was REALLY true, the relevant parties would have shown proof immediately. I wonder who got paid off?

The "Russian Bounties" story was fake. Bad intel. [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html[/URL].

We did produce vaccines before the end of 2020, in record time. And how many idiot republikkkans won't get vaccinated because the vaccine alters your DNA, contains microchips, magnetizes you, etc? Dumb, dumber, dumbest [URL]https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/03/10386020/republican-men-against-covid-vaccine-anti-vaxxers[/URL].

Blue state lockdowns didn't work. BS. [URL]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-03-10/2021-california-covid-economic-recovery-outpaces-us[/URL] And besides, it is the CONSUMERS who control the reopening anyway [URL]https://www.idahostatejournal.com/coronavirus/i-will-not-die-of-stupid/article_d1a0aac9-f8be-5e93-9bcf-a2ad0ef34ea0.html[/URL].

Schools should be opened. Sure. But not the expense of children or teachers.

Critical Race Theory is a disaster for our schools and our Country. Critical Race Theory is a disaster for racists, white supremacists and republikkkans. [URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/05/gops-critical-race-theory-fixation-explained/618828/[/URL].

Our Southern Border security program was unprecedentedly successful". So was trump's.

Trump 10 - Fake News Deep State Dems 0. Trump got kicked to the curb. Unfortunately, republicans still exist. But everybody knows they are liars anyway.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2568540]As I migrate away from what conservatism in America is becoming and reluctantly embracing some of Democrat policies (overemphasis on social messaging keeps that at bay), I'm glad to see some of the Biden stance on international relations.

Biden presses G-7 to take firmer stance against China - [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/558123-biden-to-press-g7-to-call-out-chinas-forced-labor-practices[/URL].

What I like about this message is the idea of "outcompeting" China despite their scrupulous business practices. The previous administration's strategy of painting China as the "enemy" always sounded like the sour grapes of a kid complaining about the other team cheating. It created an air of warmongering that was off-putting to me. While I have little regard for China's domestic policies and even their culture, I do respect the efficacy of their One Belt One Road strategy of investing in poor nations in order to expand their sphere of influence. In response, I believe that outcompeting them is the strategy of champions, rather than the venomous-borderline warmongering strategy. But we can't do it by ourselves. China's neighbors already dislike them. If the Europeans stay firmly on board, sacrificing some short term benefits of dealing with China, the CCP will be limited in how fast they can grow.

Just my two cents of how to approach the troubling problem of containing China's reach into what has traditionally been our strongholds.[/QUOTE]I agree. And I submit Biden has a better plan in every way than the former guy.

Not that Trump had a plan at all with regard to China other than to frame them as the "Yellow Menace" out of one side of his mouth to thrill his lamebrain base while lying in perfect sync with Xi out of the other side of his mouth about the known (to him) threat and risk of the spread of the coronavirus to the point of triggering a Pandemic that could have been avoided if an honorable POTUS with real concern about American lives and the economy had been in that position at the time. His only focused goal with China appears to have been to beg them to "Make sure I win." lol. He lost that negotiation, too.

History will forever show that Trump was the wrong person in the wrong job at the wrong time and, not surprisingly, tragically wrong about everything important. As was easily predictable by anyone paying attention.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568627]No wonder "trickle down economics" don't work. Republikkkans can't do math. 3.8 million deaths out of 176.4 million cases is a fatality rate (worldwide) of 2. 15%. [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?[/URL].

Just because Republikkkans are too ignorant to wear a mask doesn't mean that everyone is. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/cloth-mask-is-a-powerful-weapon-against-coronavirus-224321477.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Lol. Of course, that assumes Repubs have ever proposed and passed their only solution to every economic challenge, "Supply-Side/Trickle-Down" tax and economic policy, in order to create jobs and expand the USA economy and have only failed miserably every single time to achieve that goal with it and instead produced Great Repub Crash and Recession after Great Repub Crash and Recession with it due to a dumb miscalculation.

I don't think it is possible to assume such a thing anymore. No, the disastrous, massive U.S. job-killing result of their one and only economic solution to everything has been too consistent for almost a century to be anything but intentional. As stupid as we might think Repubs are about it, nobody could be that stupid that consistently and that often due to a mere lack of basic math skills.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568627]No wonder "trickle down economics" don't work. Republikkkans can't do math. 3.8 million deaths out of 176.4 million cases is a fatality rate (worldwide) of 2. 15%. [/QUOTE]The 3.8 million figure is grossly inflated, as it includes everyone who died with covid rather than of it. Incentives were given to doctors and hospitals to get the number up by testing people dying or dead of something else. Many dying people caught it in hospital where they were about to die anyway. We all remember the notorious case of the guy killed in an auto accident who was counted as a covid death. And the average age of covid death is mid-80's, so half of them were late 80's and 90's, and were on the way out regardless.

At the same time, the 176 m figure is a tiny fraction of the real number. Most people who had it didn't even know that they did, and it went unreported. It is a highly contagious disease; once it gets out in a population there's little way to stop it, as the data has shown: countries and states with no lockdown had the same results as those with draconian lockdown. But for the vast majority, they either don't notice it or they have a couple of days of flu-like symptoms and get better. No trip to the hospital, no test, no report, they just continue with life (as we all should have).

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2568660]The problem with your assessment is blablabla[/QUOTE]The problem with your post is you didn't answer the questions. Try again:

If any other country had launched a sustained air assault upon a US warship leaving many dead, would America have simply accepted an "apology" and gone on to send them billions of taxpayer dollars and cutting edge military technology? Would the US media have completely blocked all coverage of the event? Yes or no answer will do to start, then if you really want to get a nosebleed you could try and answer the question "why?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2568844]Lol. Of course, that assumes Repubs have ever proposed and passed their only solution to every economic challenge, "Supply-Side/Trickle-Down" tax and economic policy, in order to create jobs and expand the USA economy and have only failed miserably every single time to achieve that goal with it and instead produced Great Repub Crash and Recession after Great Repub Crash and Recession with it due to a dumb miscalculation.

I don't think it is possible to assume such a thing anymore. No, the disastrous, massive U.S. job-killing result of their one and only economic solution to everything has been too consistent for almost a century to be anything but intentional. As stupid as we might think Repubs are about it, nobody could be that stupid that consistently and that often due to a mere lack of basic math skills.[/QUOTE]This from the guy who defends Carter and supports Barack Hussein Okenya, the only president in American history never to have a full year of growth above 3%. LOL.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568793]Hydroxychloroquine works. This is, of course, complete bullshit. See [URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2016638[/URL] and [URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370[/URL](20) 30389-8/ fulltext.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab. This is far from a proven fact. Plus, trump claimed the release was dejliberate. [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/06/18/trump-suggests-china-may-have-intentionally-allowed-coronavirus-to-spread/?sh=8b733f233f1c[/URL].

Hunter Biden's laptop was real. And even Fux News couldn't make much out of it.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op. And this comes out after HOW MANY months? If this was REALLY true, the relevant parties would have shown proof immediately. I wonder who got paid off?

The "Russian Bounties" story was fake. Bad intel. [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html[/URL].

We did produce vaccines before the end of 2020, in record time. And how many idiot republikkkans won't get vaccinated because the vaccine alters your DNA, contains microchips, magnetizes you, etc? Dumb, dumber, dumbest [URL]https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/03/10386020/republican-men-against-covid-vaccine-anti-vaxxers[/URL].

Blue state lockdowns didn't work. BS. [URL]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-03-10/2021-california-covid-economic-recovery-outpaces-us[/URL] And besides, it is the CONSUMERS who control the reopening anyway [URL]https://www.idahostatejournal.com/coronavirus/i-will-not-die-of-stupid/article_d1a0aac9-f8be-5e93-9bcf-a2ad0ef34ea0.html[/URL]..[/QUOTE]What a bunch of turgid fakenews wordsludge you just presented, none of which refutes any of the ten factual statements about leftist lies spewed toward President Trump.

Florida and Texas, both open for business, are doing better than New York and California, despite the latter having brutal and unconstitutional lockdowns.

Children are not vulnerable to covid, and teachers are no more vulnerable to it at school than going about normal life. Let them wear those stupid face visors on top of their triple-mask if they want.

The border, which Trump had got under control by keeping the illegals in Mexico, has now been thrown open deliberately by the dems because they know white people (and increasingly, black men) aren't stupid enough to vote for them so they need to replace them with a new base.

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33042552/[/URL] = "Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19".

Critical Race Theory, aka "some broke white guy in Appalachia be keeping me down" will just make people hate each other more.

The rest of what you barfed up is such non-sentient non-sequiturs there is nothing else to reply to.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2568782]You're living in your own little fantasy world if you equate an understanding of the attack on the Liberty with supporting Trump or opposing covid vaccinations. A reflection of your mentality as absurd as equating objections to Isreali double-standards and crimes with anti-semitism.[/QUOTE]Equating rabid anti-Semites with Trumpists would be unfair indeed. Your lot is a special breed.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2568660]Liberty was a tragic mistake. Nothing more, nothing less. Israel (during the war, mind you) would've [B]knowingly[/B] attacked a ship of their only true ally in the whole wide world. [/QUOTE]Yeah, Isrealis made a mistake: they got caught red-handed. LOL.

With friends like Isreal, who needs enemies!

[URL]https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/06/09/searching-for-the-truth-about-the-uss-liberty/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568793]Hydroxychloroquine works. This is, of course, complete bullshit. See [URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2016638[/URL] and [URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370[/URL](20) 30389-8/ fulltext.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab. This is far from a proven fact. Plus, trump claimed the release was dejliberate. [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/06/18/trump-suggests-china-may-have-intentionally-allowed-coronavirus-to-spread/?sh=8b733f233f1c[/URL].

Hunter Biden's laptop was real. And even Fux News couldn't make much out of it.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op. And this comes out after HOW MANY months? If this was REALLY true, the relevant parties would have shown proof immediately. I wonder who got paid off?

The "Russian Bounties" story was fake. Bad intel. [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Thanks it becomes really tedious replying to these delusions regarding EX- President Trump.

So if Hunters laptop is real then why isn't there a grand jury convened like we have for Trump? Because it just deflection and no substance like all Republican talking points?

Look at the list here its all froth and no substance. None of it has any real importance.

Hydroxychloroquine had minimal impact on Covid mortality rates. How's the bleach injection going? Hard for the US to be taken seriously when the President utters that nonsense. With the so called best health system in the world the US mortality rates rank as one of the worst globally. By the way where is the great Trump health plan he promised?

There is no evidence that Covid came from a lab. There is no evidence it has been manipulated. Even if it did what are the consequences? The consequences of Trump claiming it was a hoax and would be over in no time at all is 600,000 dead and growing.

Schools are superspreader environments for diseases, lots of kids running around interacting then returning to homes with every conceivable bug going around. Why is it necessary to rush reopening? Could it be parents don't want to be bothered looking after the kids?

Basically out of the whole list there is only one thing that is an "achievement" which is the so called border security. We have seen the wall has been a complete waste of money as people still go over it, under it, around it or as always cross over legally and overstay. Every other thing on the list are just grievances of no importance at all. Its a pretty poor list that out of 30,000 lies during the Presidency you can only find 10 questionable ones that have zero importance.

Delusional Republican suckers 30000 cases of swallowing the bullshit and giving a shiteater grin afterwards.

So it is all coming out now how Trump Was spying on Democrats and reporters that he didn't like. Was a big crybaby claiming that his campaign being spied upon because of the FISA warrant on Carter Page but used the DOJ as his private investigation team on Senior Democrats and reporters covering his impeachment. He even spied on his own legal counsel. Lets hear from all the fascists here that think this is just fine.

[URL]https://youtu.be/aqQv3qef21A[/URL]

[URL]https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffcrouere/2021/06/13/calamity-kamala-is-an-international-laughingstock-n2590907[/URL]

Upon becoming president, Joe Biden created a disaster at the nation's southern border. He foolishly ordered an immediate halt to the construction of our border wall. He also abandoned Trump administration policies that were clearly working. The result has been a massive increase in the number of illegal immigrants entering the United States.

This stampede of migrants has overwhelmed our resources at the border and created a true humanitarian catastrophe. To show he was taking action to deal with the problem, Biden appointed Vice President Kamala Harris to be his point person on the border crisis.

Even though he has selected crazed leftists for many of the positions in his administration, choosing Harris may have been his worst appointment. Harris is a total embarrassment who has never succeeded in any position throughout her political career.

As a presidential candidate, Harris departed the race early after a series of pathetic performances in debates. Her fundraising collapsed and she exited several months before the first presidential caucus.

Biden rescued her from political obscurity when he chose her as his running mate. As the vice-presidential candidate, she failed to capture the imagination of voters and was fairly ineffective. In her only televised debate with her Republican opponent, Vice President Mike Pence, she was terrible and lost convincingly.

Her performance as vice president has been even worse, so it is mystifying why Biden would choose her for such an important role as dealing with the border crisis. In this position, she has been even worse than expected, acting in an arrogant, ill-informed manner that has only exacerbated the crisis.

[URL]https://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/article251878483.html[/URL]

I believe that the first porno with a "kamala" Femdom theme will be a multi millionaire!

[URL]https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/05/29/is-kamala-harris-a-gift-to-the-republicans[/URL]

Here is what the millions of Americans who take their opinions from Fox News and related outlets have been hearing about Kamala Harris. The vice-president was put in charge of the southern border because she "has brown skin". Her picture book, "Superheroes Are Everywhere", was issued to migrant children, maybe corruptly. ("Is she profiting from Biden's border crisis?" tweeted Republican supremo Ronna McDaniel.) Metropolitan elites worship her; Vogue, which ignored lovely Melania Trump, put her (her!) on its cover. Her entrepreneur niece, Meena Harris, is an anti-white racist queen of cancel culture.

In other words, while the mainstream media soberly cover Ms Harris's efforts to win Joe Biden's trust and master her portfolio (which includes Mexico and Guatemala but not the border, where her book has not been issued to anyone), she is being relentlessly defined on the right as a dishonest member of the corrupt elite with an agenda alien to white America. Tucker Carlson—who during the election campaign refused to pronounce Ms Harris's Hindu name correctly—has neatly synthesised these two slanders. "She's a globalist superhero. Just like Voldemort, you can't really know how to pronounce her name."

So far, so predictable, you might say. But Ms Harris is no ordinary vice-president. As the first non-white, female vice-president of a party that has made diversity an organising principle, she is the presumptive next Democratic presidential nominee. It is hard, even at this early stage, to imagine her being denied. Given the 78-year-old Mr Biden's age, her elevation could be only three years off. And the election that would ensue—the Republicans' worsening derangement suggests—may well be as crucial as the one just past. This raises the question of whether she has what it takes to rise above the right-wing slanders and appeal to middle America, as Barack Obama did, or whether she will be destroyed by them, as Hillary Clinton was. And it is making senior Democrats nervous. "Everyone is saying, 'Oh God, Kamala is next and then we're in trouble' says a Democrat close to the White House.

Oratory aside, Mr Obama's success was based on an ability to reassure white Americans that was rooted in his intimate knowledge of them. The son of a white woman, brought up by his white grandmother, he promised better times for all and rarely mentioned race unprompted. Ms Harris is a different case. She is the daughter of South Asian and Jamaican immigrants, brought together by the civil-rights movement, who brought her up as black. Though nothing like the vindictive race-warrior of Mr Carlson's fevered imagining, she leans into black identity politics more than the former president did.

This is a good way to win elections in California. It would be a disastrous general-election strategy, as shown by the white backlash to Mr Obama, notwithstanding his carefulness, and by Ms Harris's failure to impress even black voters during her hapless presidential bid. African-Americans tend to support the Democratic candidate who seems likeliest to appeal to white voters, on which basis they preferred Mr Biden. And her Hail Mary effort to turn things round by accusing Mr Biden of racial insensitivity during a televised debate ("I do not believe you are a racist but.") only confirmed them in their choice. Polls suggested that black voters found it cynical and insincere.

The coverage of her current job has also been mixed. She has been accused of failing to carve out a well-defined "Veep" role or hire a sufficiently politically savvy staff. This is probably unfair. Her pressing need is to do whatever Mr Biden (with whom she had some making up to do) wants in order to make his administration successful. And she appears to be doing that. She was involved in the recent Middle-Eastern diplomacy. She is due to visit Mexico City next week. Though inexperienced in foreign policy, she is a polished front-woman who espouses Mr Biden's internationalist views. The criticism of her seems rather to reflect not only the underlying anxiety about her ability to succeed him, but also the unusual nature of her position.

Ever since Walter Mondale upgraded the vice-presidency in the late 1970's, most of its occupants have spent four years trying to make themselves useful; then a second term, if it transpired, laying the groundwork for a presidential run. The carping suggests Ms Harris is expected to do both things at once, which is unrealistic; and indeed she would be castigated if she tried to.

There is one political task she cannot delay, however. That is to understand why her presidential campaign failed, which was not mainly to do with her race or gender, however much of an electoral burden they may be. Her stump speech sounded like group-written marketing spiel (something about wanting to "prosecute the case against Donald Trump" Her promise—quickly rescinded—to scrap private medical insurance suggested a politician who had no clear idea where or what she stood for: whether on the left, with an emphasis on expanding the government, or towards the centre, with more focus on enterprise and opportunity. This was why the pundits and donors who at first flocked to her quickly moved on. It was in turn why she resorted to playing the race card against Mr Biden. No wonder she makes some Democrats nervous.

Kamala chameleon.

She should reflect on the fact that the centrist Mr Biden won as Mr Obama had before him: by promising hope, opportunity and togetherness for all. There is no evidence that Democrats can get round Americans' mistrust of government and vexed racial politics any other way (however they may hope to govern). Mr Obama, a big admirer of Ms Harris, must believe she can pull off the same trick. Talking up her vice-presidential credentials was one of his two big political calls last year. The other was his initial dismissiveness of Mr Biden. It would be a terrible shame if the former president turned out to be wrong on both counts.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2568782]You're living in your own little fantasy world if you equate an understanding of the attack on the Liberty with supporting Trump or opposing covid vaccinations. A reflection of your mentality as absurd as equating objections to Isreali double-standards and crimes with anti-semitism.[/QUOTE]Trump supporters do oppose getting the covid vaccine. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it false and just because Tucker Carlson doesn't talk about it doesn't make it true.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/21/republican-men-covid-coronavirus-vaccine-poll[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/politics/republicans-covid-vaccines.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/03/10386020/republican-men-against-covid-vaccine-anti-vaxxers[/URL]

[URL]https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/554005-state-vaccine-rates-fall-along-red-blue-divide[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2568840]I agree. And I submit Biden has a better plan in every way than the former guy.

Not that Trump had a plan at all with regard to China other than to frame them as the "Yellow Menace" out of one side of his mouth to thrill his lamebrain base while lying in perfect sync with Xi out of the other side of his mouth about the known (to him) threat and risk of the spread of the coronavirus to the point of triggering a Pandemic that could have been avoided if an honorable POTUS with real concern about American lives and the economy had been in that position at the time. His only focused goal with China appears to have been to beg them to "Make sure I win." lol. He lost that negotiation, too.

History will forever show that Trump was the wrong person in the wrong job at the wrong time and, not surprisingly, tragically wrong about everything important. As was easily predictable by anyone paying attention.[/QUOTE]Biden plan! What a joke. Biden showed his incompetence again. Confusing Libya and Syria several times. Putin thanked Biden for enhancing Russia oil and gas economy while shutting down USA production and drilling. Putin joked about $4. 00 gas in USA. Biden is the laughing stock oh G7. I see you as well as several other countries are happy with a weaker America under Biden than a strong USA under Trump. Why are you so anti American. Why do you want USA to fail?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568793]Hydroxychloroquine works. This is, of course, complete bullshit. See [URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2016638[/URL] and [URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370[/URL](20) 30389-8/ fulltext.

The Virus came from a Chinese lab. This is far from a proven fact. Plus, trump claimed the release was dejliberate. [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/06/18/trump-suggests-china-may-have-intentionally-allowed-coronavirus-to-spread/?sh=8b733f233f1c[/URL].

Hunter Biden's laptop was real. And even Fux News couldn't make much out of it.

Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op. And this comes out after HOW MANY months? If this was REALLY true, the relevant parties would have shown proof immediately. I wonder who got paid off?

The "Russian Bounties" story was fake. Bad intel. [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html[/URL].

We did produce vaccines before the end of 2020, in record time. And how many idiot republikkkans won't get vaccinated because the vaccine alters your DNA, contains microchips, magnetizes you, etc? Dumb, dumber, dumbest [URL]https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/03/10386020/republican-men-against-covid-vaccine-anti-vaxxers[/URL].

Blue state lockdowns didn't work. BS. [URL]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-03-10/2021-california-covid-economic-recovery-outpaces-us[/URL] And besides, it is the CONSUMERS who control the reopening anyway [URL]https://www.idahostatejournal.com/coronavirus/i-will-not-die-of-stupid/article_d1a0aac9-f8be-5e93-9bcf-a2ad0ef34ea0.html[/URL].

Schools should be opened. Sure. But not the expense of children or teachers.

Critical Race Theory is a disaster for our schools and our Country. Critical Race Theory is a disaster for racists, white supremacists and republikkkans. [URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/05/gops-critical-race-theory-fixation-explained/618828/[/URL].

Our Southern Border security program was unprecedentedly successful". So was trump's.

Trump 10 - Fake News Deep State Dems 0. Trump got kicked to the curb. Unfortunately, republicans still exist. But everybody knows they are liars anyway.[/QUOTE]Has Watching fake news made you this stupid? Your post shows you don't have a clue. Critical race theory is socialists hate of Americans people and white people. Why do you hate white people and the USA. ? Why are so many people trying to enter USA illegally if it is such a horrible country?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568717]Unfortunately, "every sane person" leaves out the majority of trump supporters.

Any person who believes that the COVID vaccine changes your DNA or that the orange fruitcake won the election or that COVID has a 0.1% fatality rate, etc, is, by definition, insane. They live in their own little fantasy world where up is down, morning is night, trump never told a lie, tucker Carlson tells the truth and proof is what they say it is.[/QUOTE]The majority of the people left to vaccinate are blacks. Are you saying all blacks are Trump supporters?

[URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/06/13/florida_gov_desantis_big_tech_censorship_doing_damage_to_society.html[/URL]

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis discussed signing a bill he said will protect state residents' ability to access and participate in social media platforms and allows them to fight back against de-platforming and censorship during an interview on FNC's "Sunday Morning Futures. ".

GOV. RON DESANTIS: What they censored was actually true. They called it a conspiracy theory if you said this may have leaked from the lab. They were also censoring around the same time last year any criticisms of lockdowns. And we know now lockdowns didn't work. States like Florida that were open were better off for it.

And so you often hear people say, hey, these are private companies, they can do what they want, yadda, yadda, yadda. But here's an example of working with Fauci where Facebook, you could argue, is essentially acting as an arm of the state, because they're suppressing what the government wants suppressed.

And so I think this issue with big tech is unlike anything we have seen. They have massive amounts of power. These are monopolies that are much stronger than the monopolies of the early 20th century. They control, in effect, a handful of companies, a huge percentage of the political speech in this country.

And so I think, when you have a situations, they're not just censoring based on partisanship. Obviously, we have seen conservatives be censored. But when they're censoring things about some of the most important issues that we have ever addressed, how COVID started, whether lockdowns work. You know they're really doing damage to society.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2568793].....Unfortunately, republicans still exist. But everybody knows they are liars anyway.[/QUOTE]And they are very dangerous. Still continue with the big lie and try to change the voting rights / rules in GOP counties with big Black and Latino communities to make voting for them very difficult. Even bring some voters in the line a drink would be a crime. Worlds democrazy nr. 1! - there is only 1 hope that this criminal ex president will go to jail for at least 10-20 years!

But I don't know what repeating the Trump Mafia fake news here have to do with mongering?

[QUOTE=Canada;2568997]The majority of the people left to vaccinate are blacks. Are you saying all blacks are Trump supporters?[/QUOTE]You lie:

[URL]https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568867]What a bunch of turgid fakenews wordsludge you just presented, none of which refutes any of the ten factual statements about leftist lies spewed toward President Trump.

Florida and Texas, both open for business, are doing better than New York and California, despite the latter having brutal and unconstitutional lockdowns.

Children are not vulnerable to covid, and teachers are no more vulnerable to it at school than going about normal life. Let them wear those stupid face visors on top of their triple-mask if they want.

The border, which Trump had got under control by keeping the illegals in Mexico, has now been thrown open deliberately by the dems because they know white people (and increasingly, black men) aren't stupid enough to vote for them so they need to replace them with a new base.[/QUOTE]"Florida and Texas, both open for business, are doing better than New York and California, despite the latter having brutal and unconstitutional lockdowns. " Wrong. Again. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/lockdown-states-like-california-did-better-economically-than-looser-states-like-florida-new-covid-data-shows-153025163.html[/URL].

"Children are not vulnerable to covid". Just stop with the lies. Less vulnerable? Sure, but not "not vulnerable". [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/children/symptoms.html[/URL].

"Hydroxychloroquine is effective". Only in the warped minds of republikkkans. Not one randomiszed, double-blind study has proven that it is effective. But kkkonservatives would rather believe that because it "worked" on your cousin's boyfriend's uncle's plumber, IT IS A CURE. Stop listening to Tucker.

Ahh, the republican't "open border" argument. Please include one source where any Democratic politician from anywhere used the term "I support open borders."

Racist and republikkkans hate critical race theory because they can't handle the truth. [URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/05/gops-critical-race-theory-fixation-explained/618828/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Beno69;2569013]And they are very dangerous. Still continue with the big lie and try to change the voting rights / rules in GOP counties with big Black and Latino communities to make voting for them very difficult. Even bring some voters in the line a drink would be a crime. Worlds democrazy nr. 1! - there is only 1 hope that this criminal ex president will go to jail for at least 10-20 years!

But I don't know what repeating the Trump Mafia fake news here have to do with mongering?[/QUOTE]Biden at G7 embarrassing USA and himself.

1. Interrupted Boris Johnson twice because he forgot what Boris said. Has to be corrected by Boris.

2. Broke protocol with the queen.

3. Got Syria and Libya mixed up 4 times.

4. Congratulated by Putin for helping Russia energy while destroying USA energy.

What a fool!

Trump looks awfully good right now in comparison to this clown.

I wonder how the idiots on here are going to spin Biden incompetence at G7?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568858]The 3.8 million figure is grossly inflated, as it includes everyone who died with covid rather than of it. Incentives were given to doctors and hospitals to get the number up by testing people dying or dead of something else. Many dying people caught it in hospital where they were about to die anyway. We all remember the notorious case of the guy killed in an auto accident who was counted as a covid death. And the average age of covid death is mid-80's, so half of them were late 80's and 90's, and were on the way out regardless.

At the same time, the 176 m figure is a tiny fraction of the real number. Most people who had it didn't even know that they did, and it went unreported. It is a highly contagious disease; once it gets out in a population there's little way to stop it, as the data has shown: countries and states with no lockdown had the same results as those with draconian lockdown. But for the vast majority, they either don't notice it or they have a couple of days of flu-like symptoms and get better. No trip to the hospital, no test, no report, they just continue with life (as we all should have).[/QUOTE]In other words, you don't like the data so, like any good republikkkan, you claim the data is fake news and make up your own.

No wonder republikkkans believe that trump won, that the vaccine changes your DNA, etc. Why not say the earth is flat? After all, it must be since all pictures from space only show one side.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2568900]Yeah, Isrealis made a mistake: they got caught red-handed. LOL.

With friends like Isreal, who needs enemies!

[URL]https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/06/09/searching-for-the-truth-about-the-uss-liberty/[/URL][/QUOTE]You've already said that on at least 2 previous occasions. Although, I don't blame you. If anti-Semites don't get to repeat their old lies over and over again -- what's there to talk about?

It's funny, how both left-wing and write-wing nutheads have fallen in love with Counterpunch, a willing disseminator of Kremlin bot propaganda.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2569075]You've already said that on at least 2 previous occasions. Although, I don't blame you. If anti-Semites don't get to repeat their old lies over and over again -- what's there to talk about?

It's funny, how both left-wing and write-wing nutheads have fallen in love with Counterpunch, a willing disseminator of Kremlin bot propaganda.[/QUOTE]I don't blame you, ashkanazic trolls always need an enemy, for that tribe cohesion thing and ADL fundraising, you know, how they're always the victim and everyone's telling lies about them. You're parroting lines from an outdated hasbara playbook. Shut it down, the deliberate attack on the Liberty is well-known. It's funny how good people have fallen in love with the truth. That is something evidently beyond your comprehension.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568973][URL]https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/05/29/is-kamala-harris-a-gift-to-the-republicans[/URL]

Here is what the millions of Americans who take their opinions from Fox News and related outlets have been hearing about Kamala Harris. The vice-president was put in charge of the southern border because she "has brown skin". Her picture book, "Superheroes Are Everywhere", was issued to migrant children, maybe corruptly. ("Is she profiting from Biden's border crisis?" tweeted Republican supremo Ronna McDaniel.) Metropolitan elites worship her; Vogue, which ignored lovely Melania Trump, put her (her!) on its cover. Her entrepreneur niece, Meena Harris, is an anti-white racist queen of cancel culture.

In other words, while the mainstream media soberly cover Ms Harris's efforts to win Joe Biden's trust and master her portfolio (which includes Mexico and Guatemala but not the border, where her book has not been issued to anyone), she is being relentlessly defined on the right as a dishonest member of the corrupt elite with an agenda alien to white America. Tucker Carlsonwho during the election campaign refused to pronounce Ms Harris's Hindu name correctlyhas neatly synthesised these two slanders. "She's a globalist superhero. Just like Voldemort, you can't really know how to pronounce her name."

So far, so predictable, you might say. But Ms Harris is no ordinary vice-president. As the first non-white, female vice-president of a party that has made diversity an organising principle, she is the presumptive next Democratic presidential nominee. It is hard, even at this early stage, to imagine her being denied. Given the 78-year-old Mr Biden's age, her elevation could be only three years off. And the election that would ensuethe Republicans' worsening derangement suggestsmay well be as crucial as the one just past. This raises the question of whether she has what it takes to rise above the right-wing slanders and appeal to middle America, as Barack Obama did, or whether she will be destroyed by them, as Hillary Clinton was. And it is making senior Democrats nervous. ..[/QUOTE]Who cares what the mainstream media says about Kamala Harris. It's entirely predictable.

The reality is the financial backers of the Democratic Party chose this former prosecutor who had been soundly rejected by the voters. She has no political base, and apparently no policy of her own. She can, in other words, be counted on to follow her marching orders, much as Obama had done. It's a shameless sign of our times that both candidates and voters are exploited on account of their skin color and gender.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2568915]Hydroxychloroquine had minimal impact on Covid mortality rates.........There is no evidence that Covid came from a lab. There is no evidence it has been manipulated..........Why is it necessary to rush reopening? Could it be parents don't want to be bothered looking after the kids?
[/QUOTE]1. [URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33042552/[/URL] - "Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19".

2. [URL]https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/fauci-was-warned-that-covid-may-have-been-engineered-emails/[/URL] - "Dr. Anthony Fauci was warned that the coronavirus had possibly been "engineered" and appeared to be taking reports about it seriously — at the same time he was publicly downplaying the notion of the virus being created in a lab, according to his emails. Andersen also noted that he and others "all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory" ".

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html[/URL] - "COVID-19 'has NO credible natural ancestor' and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with 'retro-engineering' to make it seem like it naturally arose from bats. The paper's authors, British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen, wrote that they have had 'prima facie evidence of retro-engineering in China' for a year. But were ignored by academics and major journals."

Are you seriously trying to tell us that of all the places in all the world, the virus just *happened* to occur, completely naturally, right next to the only virology institute in China, and one of the biggest in the world? LOL. It's like finding a little kid with chocolate all over his face, and his mom asks him where the chocolate bars went and he's like "I don't know".

3. British Medical Journal: [URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n521[/URL] - "Closing schools is not evidence based and harms children. School closures have been implemented internationally with insufficient evidence for their role in minimising covid-19 transmission and insufficient consideration of the harms to children. Accumulating evidence shows that teachers and school staff are not at higher risk of hospital admission or death from covid-19 compared with other workers."

You really are absolutely full to the brim of fake news shit, aren't you.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2569027]In other wordsblablabla[/QUOTE]Yet again, no refutation of the statements, just more ad hominem wordsludge. Nobody buys it, or the rest of your fake news.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569026]Biden at G7 embarrassing USA and himself.

1. Interrupted Boris Johnson twice because he forgot what Boris said. Has to be corrected by Boris.

2. Broke protocol with the queen.

3. Got Syria and Libya mixed up 4 times.

4. Congratulated by Putin for helping Russia energy while destroying USA energy.

What a fool!

Trump looks awfully good right now in comparison to this clown.

I wonder how the idiots on here are going to spin Biden incompetence at G7?[/QUOTE]Great post. And this is all tightly controlled and stage managed. God knows what gaffes and senility the fake news and his handlers have managed to cover up.

Point 4 is particularly important. As opposed to the idiotic and empty ad hominem attacks from the fake news left and their useful idiots (some of whom are on this board), this is a concrete and clear example of Biden degrading the USA for Russia's gain. First he (or rather his handlers) cancelled the Keystone pipeline, costing America billions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs; then he ok'd the Russia-Germany pipeline, giving Putin the immense power to switch off Europe's lights, and ruining the possibility of American LNG providers selling their product to Europe.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2569020]You lie:

[URL]https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/[/URL][/QUOTE]What's the vaccination rate in Leningrad, John?

[QUOTE=Canada;2568996]Why are so many people trying to enter USA illegally if it is such a horrible country?[/QUOTE]Excellent question. And one that the fake news globalist left can and will never answer.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568972][URL]https://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/article251878483.html[/URL]

I believe that the first porno with a "kamala" Femdom theme will be a multi millionaire![/QUOTE]With Willie Brown as the male talent.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2568966]Even though he has selected crazed leftists for many of the positions in his administration, choosing Harris may have been his worst appointment. Harris is a total embarrassment who has never succeeded in any position throughout her political career.

As a presidential candidate, Harris departed the race early after a series of pathetic performances in debates. Her fundraising collapsed and she exited several months before the first presidential caucus.[/QUOTE]That's what happens when the only reason you got your job is your ability to swirl your tongue at 90 rpm on your boss's balls and ride him cowgirl till his cock falls off. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of wh0 res (why else would I be on this board) - just not in the position of vice-president of the USA.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2569013]Still continue with the big lie and try to change the voting rights / rules in GOP counties with big Black and Latino communities to make voting for them very difficult. Even bring some voters in the line a drink would be a crime. [/QUOTE]Translation: create equal voter ID regulations for all potential voters regardless of race. Anyone who has a drivers license, has cashed a check, has opened a bank account, has flown on a plane, has bought liquor or cigarettes, has rented a house, or has done various other simple and everyday things will already have a satisfactory photo ID. For the microscopic minority who haven't done any of those things, they can get one for free in a day. If they don't care to get one, that's fine. Voting is not mandatory and many people have no interest.

Almost all other democracies have similar photo ID rules; many of them more stringent.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2569007][URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/06/13/florida_gov_desantis_big_tech_censorship_doing_damage_to_society.html[/URL]

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis discussed signing a bill he said will protect state residents' ability to access and participate in social media platforms and allows them to fight back against de-platforming and censorship during an interview on FNC's "Sunday Morning Futures. ".

GOV. RON DESANTIS: What they censored was actually true. They called it a conspiracy theory if you said this may have leaked from the lab. They were also censoring around the same time last year any criticisms of lockdowns. And we know now lockdowns didn't work. States like Florida that were open were better off for it.

And so you often hear people say, hey, these are private companies, they can do what they want, yadda, yadda, yadda. But here's an example of working with Fauci where Facebook, you could argue, is essentially acting as an arm of the state, because they're suppressing what the government wants suppressed.

And so I think this issue with big tech is unlike anything we have seen. They have massive amounts of power. These are monopolies that are much stronger than the monopolies of the early 20th century. They control, in effect, a handful of companies, a huge percentage of the political speech in this country.

And so I think, when you have a situations, they're not just censoring based on partisanship. Obviously, we have seen conservatives be censored. But when they're censoring things about some of the most important issues that we have ever addressed, how COVID started, whether lockdowns work. You know they're really doing damage to society.[/QUOTE]Excellent post, and good on Governor DeSantis for his strong pushback for free speech.

The left needs to censor the right because the left's arguments are so weak and ludicrous. Open borders; tranny kids; BLM riots; shutting down American drilling, mining and manufacturing, and many more. Even with the censorship they still lose elections. If the right were able to get their ideas, arguments and policies out fairly, the left would barely win another seat.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2569075]...disseminator of Kremlin bot...[/QUOTE]Zzzzzzzz. The Russians under the bed!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2569024]"Florida and Texas, both open for business, are doing better than New York and California, despite the latter having brutal and unconstitutional lockdowns. " Wrong. Again. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/lockdown-states-like-california-did-better-economically-than-looser-states-like-florida-new-covid-data-shows-153025163.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Wait, the fake news is claiming that lockdown states did better *economically* than free states? HAHAHA! I thought you were ridiculous before but you've really jumped the shark now. Thanks for the laugh.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2568915]There is no evidence that Covid came from a lab. There is no evidence it has been manipulated. Even if it did what are the consequences? The consequences of Trump claiming it was a hoax and would be over in no time at all is 600,000 dead and growing.[/QUOTE]I post again and again the Democratic leaning Stanford University research that showed that lockdowns did not work. NPI means non-pharmaceutical intervention.

"In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits.

Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that I'mplemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epi-demic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions.

So tell me, douche, were there Covid restrictions under Trump? If not, then you have a point. If Trump implemented ANY restrictions and he did, you are just a lying piece of shit.

You can make fun of all the dumb things Trump said, calling it a hoax, saying it was going away in the summer, injecting bleach but tell me WTF does that have to do with a virus spreading? What has been proven to have worked that Trump did not do? You have nothing. You blamed him for the pandemic unfairly and between that and the cheating, parlayed an election victory.

Now to the second half of the claim where the virus did not come out of a lab.

For all the claims of intelligence you have, you Democratic douches are really communists, and you take fucking marching orders from the Democratic powers that be. You do not critically think about anything that happens. There is no proof that the presidential election was manipulated right? I can show you the fraud in Arizona, the video of Fulton County Georgia, but it means nothing. If it is not in the NY Times or Washington Post or MSNBC, it is not real to you.

If you used your brain and were critical of what the WP was saying versus what they were doing, which clearly you are not capable of, you would see a conflict. For example, Jeff Bezos, the majority owner of Amazon and the WP, is not allowing Fauci's book to be sold. I would ask your opinion as to why, but seeing as how you have not been given a reason by the WP / NYT / MSNBC, you do not have one.

As for the video linked with this blog, [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/video-live-bats-wuhan-lab-reveals-daszak-lied-now-deleted-tweet[/URL], your response is predictable. Zero Hedge is stupid. That the 16 minute video is there horrifical and damaging to Fauci, Daszak (who is he right? The WHO, and China is of no consequence to you because in your words, there is no proof the lab leak theory is true. What you really mean though is the NYT, Washington Post, and MSNBC have not said the lab leak theory is true and being the good communist you are, that is good enough.

As your fellow Democratic douche PV Monger said, youtube videos do not count, and this, a news video on a trash blog site like [URL]Zerohedge.com[/URL], has to not count either.

Thing is the book that Australian journalist is writing, Sherri Markson, is being presold on Amazon, and IMO Bezos got a draft of it, read it, and spread word to his fellow Democratic leaders in the tech community that Fauci was lying his ass off to them. That is why IMO there was the sea change with regards to censoring the lab leak theory.

They have made up their minds already what is to be done with Fauci, and that is to get him canned, blame Republicans for his ouster, and give him a heroic sendoff. For those Democratic douches and for you GDreams, nearly 4 million dead was a small price to pay for getting rid of Trump.

Because of the red-blue divide, those truly responsible for the pandemic escape punishment. That is the thing with you Democratic douches. You get all worked up about Roger Stone and General Flynn who hurt no one but with these scientists and the Chinese, they get a pass. No one on the blue team can be found guilty of anything these days even the death of nearly 4 million people.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2568863]This from the guy who defends Carter and supports Barack Hussein Okenya, the only president in American history never to have a full year of growth above 3%. LOL.[/QUOTE]And this was before Trump's disastrous economic decisions came to full horrific bloom in 2020...

[B]Trumps Economic Growth Is Slower Than Obamas Last 3 Years[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-economic-growth-is-slower-than-obamas-last-3-years/[/URL]

Um...you must have only heard Team Trump's too soon crowing about hitting 3% annual GDP growth but missed the later, uh, downgrade.

[B]Oops: Trumps Historic Economic Growth Downgraded To Meh[/B]
[URL]https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/trump-revised-economic-growth[/URL]

Seriously. Repubs, "Bothsiders" and other pro-Repub factions should stick to claims of saving Mr. Potato Head and steer clear of ANY discussion of important issues like the USA Economy, USA jobs creation, the stock market, deficit and debt, national security, foreign policy, border control, etc.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2569194]Um...you must have only heard Team Trump's too soon crowing about hitting 3% annual GDP growth but missed the later, uh, downgrade.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bea.gov/news/2019/initial-gross-domestic-product-4th-quarter-and-annual-2018[/URL]

"During 2018 (measured from the fourth quarter of 2017 to the fourth quarter of 2018), real GDP increased 3.1 percent".

Um. Nobody believes your, uh, fake news.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2569097]Who cares what the mainstream media says about Kamala Harris. It's entirely predictable.

The reality is the financial backers of the Democratic Party chose this former prosecutor who had been soundly rejected by the voters. She has no political base, and apparently no policy of her own. She can, in other words, be counted on to follow her marching orders, much as Obama had done. It's a shameless sign of our times that both candidates and voters are exploited on account of their skin color and gender.[/QUOTE]Obama was at least, with the help of the fake news media who promoted his campaign endlessly in 2008, a reasonably charismatic figure with some semblance of a popular movement behind him. Harris was literally forced to drop out of the presidential primaries before a single vote was cast, such was her incredible unpopularity even with her own side! Beto O'Rourke lasted longer, which is as big a political insult as you can give.

Harris is a dim, smug, untalented, unlikeable, cackling mediocrity who encapsulates the very essence of the term "diversity hire". If not for her race and the fact that she worked married 60 year old San Francisco mayor Willie Brown's cock like a starving WG in wartime, she would be chasing up unpaid parking fines in Reno. If she runs for president in 2024, the deep state are going to have to conjure up a whole lot more fake ballots than however many millions they needed to get Joe's husk across the line last year.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569112]1. [URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33042552/[/URL] - "Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19".

2. [URL]https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/fauci-was-warned-that-covid-may-have-been-engineered-emails/[/URL] - "Dr. Anthony Fauci was warned that the coronavirus had possibly been "engineered" and appeared to be taking reports about it seriously at the same time he was publicly downplaying the notion of the virus being created in a lab, according to his emails. Andersen also noted that he and others "all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory" ".

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html[/URL] - "COVID-19 'has NO credible natural ancestor' and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with 'retro-engineering' to make it seem like it naturally arose from bats. The paper's authors, British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Srensen, wrote that they have had 'prima facie evidence of retro-engineering in China' for a year. But were ignored by academics and major journals..[/QUOTE]1. A review of studies found on Google. Underwhelming.

2. As I said no proof just conjecture. This is a virus that has developed 4 major strains in 1 year and I'm guessing many more that were outcompeted. Just like all the low IQ republicans you cannot differentiate between opinion and fact. Is it possible it has had man altered DNA, yes, is there any proof, no. Could it have escaped from a lab specifically set up to study viruses collected from nature, yes, is it proven, no. Will it likely be proven, no because the Chinese will not cooperate. Where does that leave you? Drivelling nonsense conspiracy theories as though they are facts.

3. I didn't offer either of these as a reason. Schools are spreader environments for many contagious diseases. The issue is not how sick the students get or the teachers but the parents, grandparents, other family members and all the other multitudes op people that children interact with. Also as I pointed out above there are now 4 strains. The more hosts the more strains develop, ones which are more contagious and have greater impacts such as vaccine resistance.

As I said previously you can't swallow enough of the bullshit.

[URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1404665481886195717[/URL]

"I think we owe a great debt of gratitude to science. Science has, in many ways, helped ease the suffering of this pandemic, which was more than likely caused by science," Stewart said after Colbert asked how he was feeling about the scientific response to COVID-19.

"Do you mean perhaps there's a chance that this was created in a lab?" asked Colbert, adding "There's an investigation."

"A chance?" shot back Stewart. Kicking the door open.

"Oh my god, there's a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China, what do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask? The Wuhan novel respiratory coronavirus lab. The disease is the same name as the lab. That's just a little too weird, don't you think? And then they asked those scientists. They're like 'how did this. So wait a minute, you work at the Wuhan respiratory coronavirus lab. How did this happen?' and they're like 'mmmm. A pangolin kissed a turtle?' and you're like 'no. The name of your lab! If you look at the name! Can I. Let me see your business card. Show me your business card. Oh. I work at the coronavirus lab in Wuhan. Oh, cause there's a coronavirus loose in Wuhan. How did that happen?

'Maybe a bat. Flew into the Cloaca of a turkey and. Then it sneezed into my chili. And now we all have Coronavirus."

Stewart landed one final joke as Colbert desperately tried to control the situation;.

"Hold it, hold it! What about this, what about this. Listen to this! 'OH MY GOD, there's been an outbreak of chocolately goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania. What do you think happened?

'Oh I don't know, maybe a steam shovel mated with a cocoa bean?

"Or. It's the fucking chocolate factory! Maybe that's it!" Stewart screamed.

"Can I say this about scientists?" Stewart said after the break. "I love them and they do such good work but they are going to kill us all."

This was an epic rant, and the libtards on Twitter called Stewart a racist calling for hate on Asian American and spewing conspiracy theories. You cannot make this shit up!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2569140]I post again and again the Democratic leaning Stanford University research that showed that lockdowns did not work. NPI means non-pharmaceutical intervention.

"In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits.

Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that I'mplemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epi-demic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions.

So tell me, douche, were there Covid restrictions under Trump? If not, then you have a point. If Trump implemented ANY restrictions and he did, you are just a lying piece of shit.

You can make fun of all the dumb things Trump said, calling it a hoax, saying it was going away in the summer, injecting bleach but tell me WTF does that have to do with a virus spreading? What has been proven to have worked that Trump did not do? You have nothing. You blamed him for the pandemic unfairly and between that and the cheating, parlayed an election victory...[/QUOTE]Why is it that you are too scared to provide us with the actual link to the Stanford research?

Once again, like a good trump supporter, you call anything that doesn't support your position fake news.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569201][URL]https://www.bea.gov/news/2019/initial-gross-domestic-product-4th-quarter-and-annual-2018[/URL]

"During 2018 (measured from the fourth quarter of 2017 to the fourth quarter of 2018), real GDP increased 3.1 percent".

Um. Nobody believes your, uh, fake news.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that 3.1% thingy was the initial estimate. See where it says "(Initial Estimate)" in your link? Then, as is always done, it got revised as more data came in.

In Trump's case, it was revised downward to below 3%. By his own Commerce Department. LOL.

When numbskull Trump and his fellow congressional Repub numbskulls flushed $2.5+ Trillion down the shitter with their one and only significant economic legislation in December 2017, he sold that worthless crap to the American public by predicting we would get "4%, 5%, maybe 6% annualized GDP growth" from it.

We didn't even get one annualized GDP growth year better than what Obama got.

From FUX News Channel Murdoch's Wall Street Journal:

[B]Economic Growth Didnt Hit 3% Mark Last Year, Revised Data Show.
President Trump has promised to boost growth to 3% or more through his policies[/B]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/economic-growth-didnt-hit-3-mark-last-year-revised-data-show-11564144200[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569207]Obama was at least, with the help of the fake news media who promoted his campaign endlessly in 2008, a reasonably charismatic figure with some semblance of a popular movement behind him. Harris was literally forced to drop out of the presidential primaries before a single vote was cast, such was her incredible unpopularity even with her own side! Beto O'Rourke lasted longer, which is as big a political insult as you can give.

Harris is a dim, smug, untalented, unlikeable, cackling mediocrity who encapsulates the very essence of the term "diversity hire". If not for her race and the fact that she worked married 60 year old San Francisco mayor Willie Brown's cock like a starving WG in wartime, she would be chasing up unpaid parking fines in Reno. If she runs for president in 2024, the deep state are going to have to conjure up a whole lot more fake ballots than however many millions they needed to get Joe's husk across the line last year.[/QUOTE]Well stated, Chris. Expect more mud-slingling, however.

[QUOTE=DCups;2569358]Well stated, Chris. Expect more mud-slingling, however.[/QUOTE]Trump is the worst. Most criminal dictator style - 2 times impeached - 1 time president and looser ever in US history. And I hope soon he will sit in jail for 10-20 years!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2569331]Why is it that you are too scared to provide us with the actual link to the Stanford research?[/QUOTE]Because I have posted it twice before.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2569283]1. A review of studies found on Google. Underwhelming.[/QUOTE]It is not all Google. It really is amazing how much you Democratic douches lie.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2569283]Could it have escaped from a lab specifically set up to study viruses collected from nature, yes, is it proven, no. Will it likely be proven, no because the Chinese will not cooperate. Where does that leave you? Drivelling nonsense conspiracy theories as though they are facts.[/QUOTE]You forgot to mention the lab leak theory is racist, douche. With that logic, OJ did not kill his wife because there was no video of it happening. With Covid, there was a cover-up, a completely fake as shit theory. There was censorship, and there is no other credible theory just like there was no other credible killer in OJ's case.

Maybe you should spend some time and energy looking for Nicole Simpson's real killer at least then you would be consistent.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2569366]Trump is the worst. Most criminal dictator style - 2 times impeached - 1 time president and looser ever in US history. And I hope soon he will sit in jail for 10-20 years![/QUOTE]Hey, the trump supporters here are going to claim the following:

1. trump was never impeached; and.

2. trump didn't lose the 2020 election.

They don't have proof of any of that except that Tucker Carlson said it and he never lies.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2569366]Trump is the worst. Most criminal dictator style - 2 times impeached - 1 time president and looser ever in US history. And I hope soon he will sit in jail for 10-20 years![/QUOTE]I guess the only thing worse than Trump is your English.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2569283]1. A review of studies found on Google. Underwhelming.

2. As I said no proof just conjecture. This is a virus that has developed 4 major strains in 1 year and I'm guessing many more that were outcompeted. Just like all the low IQ republicans you cannot differentiate between opinion and fact. Is it possible it has had man altered DNA, yes, is there any proof, no. Could it have escaped from a lab specifically set up to study viruses collected from nature, yes, is it proven, no. Will it likely be proven, no because the Chinese will not cooperate. Where does that leave you? Drivelling nonsense conspiracy theories as though they are facts.

3. I didn't offer either of these as a reason. Schools are spreader environments for many contagious diseases. The issue is not how sick the students get or the teachers but the parents, grandparents, other family members and all the other multitudes op people that children interact with. Also as I pointed out above there are now 4 strains. The more hosts the more strains develop, ones which are more contagious and have greater impacts such as vaccine resistance.[/QUOTE]"No proof just conjecture" - even Jon Stewart just called out your utter horseshit. Trying to make people believe it just happened to occur naturally right next to the only virology lab in China. Scientists saying it has properties which do not occur naturally. Oh, and they still haven't produced the original animal that it supposedly came from. Please. That's as idiotic as trying to convince people that a man who cuts his dick off is just as much of a woman as Blake Lively. Oh wait, you do that too.

And no, moron, the data shows that people in schools are no more likely to get the disease there than anywhere else. By contrast, what is quite clear are the massive problems closing schools causes to children during their most important formative years. Their intellectual, social and physical development is being stunted for life; they are suffering from a huge increase in mental health issues and abuse. But of course you selfish leftwing don't give a damn about any of that, as long as teacher union members can sit around at home feeding their cats and draining the taxpayer.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2569305][URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1404665481886195717[/URL]

"I think we owe a great debt of gratitude to science. Science has, in many ways, helped ease the suffering of this pandemic, which was more than likely caused by science," Stewart said after Colbert asked how he was feeling about the scientific response to COVID-19.

"Do you mean perhaps there's a chance that this was created in a lab?" asked Colbert, adding "There's an investigation."

"A chance?" shot back Stewart. Kicking the door open.

"Oh my god, there's a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China, what do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask? The Wuhan novel respiratory coronavirus lab. The disease is the same name as the lab. That's just a little too weird, don't you think? And then they asked those scientists. They're like 'how did this. So wait a minute, you work at the Wuhan respiratory coronavirus lab. How did this happen?' and they're like 'mmmm. A pangolin kissed a turtle?' and you're like 'no. The name of your lab! If you look at the name! Can I. Let me see your business card. Show me your business card. Oh. I work at the coronavirus lab in Wuhan. Oh, cause there's a coronavirus loose in Wuhan. How did that happen?

'Maybe a bat. Flew into the Cloaca of a turkey and. Then it sneezed into my chili. And now we all have Coronavirus."[/QUOTE]This was brilliant. Stewart has escaped from the fake news reservation! No wonder they don't let him have his own show any more.

[QUOTE=DCups;2569358]Well stated, Chris. Expect more mud-slingling, however.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Of course the fake news communist bullies will spew their bile; all the more reason to push back against them and their lies, which seek to destroy America and Americans.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569429]"No proof just conjecture" - even Jon Stewart just called out your utter horseshit. Trying to make people believe it just happened to occur naturally right next to the only virology lab in China. Scientists saying it has properties which do not occur naturally. Oh, and they still haven't produced the original animal that it supposedly came from. Please. That's as idiotic as trying to convince people that a man who cuts his dick off is just as much of a woman as Blake Lively. Oh wait, you do that too.

And no, moron, the data shows that people in schools are no more likely to get the disease there than anywhere else. By contrast, what is quite clear are the massive problems closing schools causes to children during their most important formative years. Their intellectual, social and physical development is being stunted for life; they are suffering from a huge increase in mental health issues and abuse. But of course you selfish leftwing don't give a damn about any of that, as long as teacher union members can sit around at home feeding their cats and draining the taxpayer.[/QUOTE]The last time I checked, Jon Stewart was a comedian. Please provide proof that he has a doctorate in epidemiology. Or something. Saying he doesn't agree with something is PROOF is as dumb as saying that trump is still president.

The fact that you disbelieve that school children don't bring home diseases is evidence you don't have children. If you did, you'd know that kids bring home everything imaginable and then pass that on to every member of the household. That's what trump-supporting morons don't understand and never have. It isn't simply the risk of contracting covid. It is the risk of catching it, being asymptomatic for a week or two and passing the disease to others, some of whom might be vulnerable. But trump supporters don't care about that. They just want to kill someone who asks them to wear a mask [URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/06/14/face-mask-argument-georgia-supermaket-shooting-victims-suspect/7696567002/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569429]"No proof just conjecture" - even Jon Stewart just called out your utter horseshit. Trying to make people believe it just happened to occur naturally right next to the only virology lab in China. Scientists saying it has properties which do not occur naturally. Oh, and they still haven't produced the original animal that it supposedly came from. Please. That's as idiotic as trying to convince people that a man who cuts his dick off is just as much of a woman as Blake Lively. Oh wait, you do that too.
[/QUOTE]Chris P, the entire future of the Democratic party is invested in "science". "Science" is when a guy who is clearly a pro-Democrat bureaucrat like Fauci commands 99.99% of the grant money and dictates to scientists what is legit and not. Fauci did not want to chase down infections in the wild as they happened. He wanted to create them in a lab and play around with them. If you thought that was dangerous or wrong, you were shunned and got no money.

I have a feeling the same thing is going on with climate change / global warming. If you do not do studies supporting climate change, you get no grant money.

Thing is that I read this great piece on global warming / climate change by a somewhat neutral observer, and it speaks volumes about how climate change is not science but politics.

[URL]https://freemansperspective.com/my-adventures-at-climate-change-central/[/URL]

In 1999, my friend Henry Lamb mentioned that he had been attending UN meetings. I thought it sounded intriguing and asked for details. After all, reading about an organization is one thing; actually attending its meetings is another. And because I was so enthused, Henry offered to get me in to the Kyoto accord meetings in Bonn, Germany. (The official name was COP 5.)

When I arrived at the specified place and time, I found a magnificent hotel, surrounded by hundreds of soldiers and policemen. Everything was absolutely first class. To this day I don't think I've seen its equal in terms of high-end, well-run meetings. Everything was pristine; every need had been considered and addressed in advance.

The attendees, as you might suspect, were all well-dressed, and all appeared to be feeling special about attending such impressive, elite meetings. I, on the other hand, had a bit of a Groucho Marx moment: "I can't believe they let me into this place."

Once I started circulating, however, it became clear that "first class" extended no further than the physical layer. The presenters dressed well and tried to use impressive words; their PowerPoint slides were perfect, but the actual content was less than pedestrian.

I heard one speech where the speaker said that vast areas of her home country would be entirely underwater in ten years (which would have been 2009) and that every soul living there would be dead. As evidence, she referred to impressive names and organizations, who had "said so."

And that was the way the whole conference went. I kept thinking that there had to be someone there who was competent, that perhaps they were having the real meetings in some back room somewhere. If so, I never found them, and I had what appeared to be free run of the place.

As best I could tell, nearly every person at this event was someone making a living from global warming, or else some official's son, daughter, brother-in-law, or cousin. I found none that had any notable substance. They were flying first class, staying at magnificent hotels, eating in the finest restaurants, and, as I later learned, hiring the best prostitutes and snorting the best drugs. And they were doing it all on some government's tab.

I was able to get my hands on some of the UN's internal documentation (which, sadly, I've since lost). It showed that nearly every dollar they had spent on global warming – and it was many, many millions – was spent on meetings. Of course, they used lots of fancy euphemisms for "meetings," like "plenary sessions."

There were two primary types of officials present: those from the big states, who were looking for a new bureaucracy to run, and those from the small states, looking for a handout.

End of quotes.

This is the problem with these "scientists". Of course, they are going to spout off about the dangers of climate change and global warming. It keeps the gravy train rolling! Anyone who points out these conflicts of interest is stupid and anti-science.

What do you think happen to the speaker who predicted her country would be underwater in 2009? How much you want to bet that she is not only still sucking off the government teet but is being paid more than ever now?

Because of these Democratic douches, who will blame Trump for everything wrong in government, the CCP and these psychopathic "scientists" who caused this whole pandemic are going to walk free. The only people who are to blame for bad governance are Trump and Republicans. WTF did Trump have to do with the spread and production of the virus? His stupid words somehow miraculously caused the virus to spread. Can the Democrats point to one person who died because of Trump?

Someone mentioned that we split the country into red and blue, and that is fine with me. Those assholes can keep worshipping the killers: Fauci, Duszak, and the CCP. There is mass exodus out of the blue states going on as we speak.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569432]Thank you. Of course the fake news communist bullies will spew their bile; all the more reason to push back against them and their lies, which seek to destroy America and Americans.[/QUOTE]True. I will leave the good fight to you, sir, as I am pending retirement in the Philippines with an extremely sexy and bright Filipina hottie. Taking the American flag with me, of course, and will fly it proudly wherever I land. I'm former military. USAF captain -after all. As for the future of the USA I don't have much confidence given the preponderance of doltism seen in this very thread. But as seen in the history books, America loves a comeback! Cheers, buddy!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569429]"No proof just conjecture" - even Jon Stewart just called out your utter horseshit. Trying to make people believe it just happened to occur naturally right next to the only virology lab in China. Scientists saying it has properties which do not occur naturally. Oh, and they still haven't produced the original animal that it supposedly came from. Please. That's as idiotic as trying to convince people that a man who cuts his dick off is just as much of a woman as Blake Lively. Oh wait, you do that too.

And no, moron, the data shows that people in schools are no more likely to get the disease there than anywhere else. By contrast, what is quite clear are the massive problems closing schools causes to children during their most important formative years. Their intellectual, social and physical development is being stunted for life; they are suffering from a huge increase in mental health issues and abuse. But of course you selfish leftwing don't give a damn about any of that, as long as teacher union members can sit around at home feeding their cats and draining the taxpayer.[/QUOTE]In the UK they had an outbreak of foot and mouth due to a leak from a lab. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_Kingdom_foot-and-mouth_outbreak[/URL].

By your logic it must have been man made. Except it wasn't, the lab was studying foot and mouth.

Is it possible the Covid virus escaped from a lab that was studying such viruses, sure and what does that prove? What will anyone do about it? You make out that you have the worlds biggest discovery when in reality you don't have more than it was discovered there so it must be. The Chinese are not going to cooperate, just as the US would not cooperate if they were in the same position. You can't even stand the thought that your hero and his cronies be investigated for Jan 6. We all know its a lie, we all know Trump attempted a coup, we all know he should have been impeached, we all know they should be rounded up and put in prison for a long time but the delusional cult followers will all have psychotic episodes at the mere thought of this. So you spend time deflecting on stuff that will never be proven and what you can't do anything about.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2569387]It is not all Google. It really is amazing how much you Democratic douches lie.

You forgot to mention the lab leak theory is racist, douche. With that logic, OJ did not kill his wife because there was no video of it happening. With Covid, there was a cover-up, a completely fake as shit theory. There was censorship, and there is no other credible theory just like there was no other credible killer in OJ's case.

Maybe you should spend some time and energy looking for Nicole Simpson's real killer at least then you would be consistent.[/QUOTE]Well when the vaccine resistant strains of Covid start circulating make sure you insist on Hydroxychloroquine for your treatment.

I don't need to mention anything about racist theories. You have no evidence supporting your position. Its you fascists that want to bring race into everything. You just have a whole lot of conjecture and bullshit.

And think that everyone should be as gullible as you.

To make my point you are bringing in a totally irrelevant murder from decades ago to try and support your baseless position.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2569409]Hey, the trump supporters here are going to claim the following:

1. trump was never impeached; and.

2. trump didn't lose the 2020 election.

They don't have proof of any of that except that Tucker Carlson said it and he never lies.[/QUOTE]Democrat House majority tried to impeach Trump twice on phony Russian collusion that was proved fake news. The senate proved his innocence. Obviously you missed that part.

[QUOTE=DCups;2569478]True. I will leave the good fight to you, sir, as I am pending retirement in the Philippines with an extremely sexy and bright Filipina hottie. Taking the American flag with me, of course, and will fly it proudly wherever I land. I'm former military. USAF captain -after all. As for the future of the USA I don't have much confidence given the preponderance of doltism seen in this very thread. But as seen in the history books, America loves a comeback! Cheers, buddy![/QUOTE]Congratulations. !! I think you might be the smartest guy on this forum with your Filipino hottie.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2569479]In the UK they had an outbreak of foot and mouth due to a leak from a lab. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_Kingdom_foot-and-mouth_outbreak[/URL].

By your logic it must have been man made. Except it wasn't, the lab was studying foot and mouth.

Is it possible the Covid virus escaped from a lab that was studying such viruses, sure and what does that prove? What will anyone do about it? You make out that you have the worlds biggest discovery when in reality you don't have more than it was discovered there so it must be. The Chinese are not going to cooperate, just as the US would not cooperate if they were in the same position. You can't even stand the thought that your hero and his cronies be investigated for Jan 6. We all know its a lie, we all know Trump attempted a coup, we all know he should have been impeached, we all know they should be rounded up and put in prison for a long time but the delusional cult followers will all have psychotic episodes at the mere thought of this. So you spend time deflecting on stuff that will never be proven and what you can't do anything about.[/QUOTE]Very well stated. And the cult is going back on the road next week, and at an arena near you.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569425]I guess the only thing worse than Trump is your English.[/QUOTE]Yes Chris I agree about my English. If you like we can communicate in German / French / Italian / Bahasa Indonesia.

It's always the same, if this dumb people text 10 000 pages only with fake news and then complain about the bad English. - In fact a don't care about the USA. But Trump made everywhere chaos. For his profit. It will take years to fix it!

[QUOTE=Canada;2553041]Yes elections have consequences and this one hurt the majority of Americans. My only satisfaction is that it is going to hurt you and the rest of the people who voted for these people far more than it is going to hurt me.[/QUOTE]The polls are showing a 53% approval rating for Biden, and he has never been below 52%. Why do the majority of Americans not "reailse" they are being hurt? Since Jan 20th, CV cases are down 93% and deaths, by 92%. Yup! No doubt about it. Biden really is hurting Americans. Especially Funeral Homes.

[QUOTE=DCups;2553198]Dublin doesn't even know sarcasm when he sees it![/QUOTE]And you don't recognise irony. Something you post as sarcasm is seriously undercut when it turns out to be true.

BTW, have you ever entered "the lowest form of wit" into a search engine?

[QUOTE=Canada;2554541]Your post doesn't make sense. CNN just came out saying that the white people were getting vaccinated in much greater masses than the black community. Are you saying all the black communities are all Trump supporters? I thought all white people were racist and so therefore they are Trump supporters. Why are these racist white people getting the vaccines before the black communities?[/QUOTE]Attempting to put words into others mouths, never does anything for the paucity of an argument.

During the meantime I am just loving the stories of anti-vaxxers who were anti-maskers, but have reversed their position on masks because of concerns that they may breathe in vaxxed air. The real stupidity of that is that if they think that wearing a mask protects them from that, then why did they not realise that masks offer some protection from CV?

If you wanted to make a ton of money, you would shoot the above title, with chicks with (strapon) dicks.

When (not if) this happens, just send the royalties to Vagabundo1 in. NL haha.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/aoc-honest-democrat-border-crisis-david-marcus[/URL]

Is Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the-and. Why. , the most honest Democrat in Washington? At least as far as the current border crisis goes the answer to that question increasingly seems to be yes.

The progressive darling's spat with embattled Vice President Kamala Harris last week was instructive. Harris made a speech in Guatemala telling migrants not to come to the United States. AOC clapped back, as is so often her won't, asking who are we to tell denizens of Central American countries we meddled with not to seek refuge in our nation.

So which is the true policy of the Democrats? Is it "Don't come" or is it come on in?

Let's look back to a June 2019 Democratic presidential primary debate. At that time, every candidate, including Biden and Harris was asked if they support free health care for people in the country illegally. Every one of them snapped their arms up in the affirmative, except for the current president; he kind of half raised his hand as if he wanted to make a more nuanced point. It was a microcosm of liberal immigration policy itself.

AOC Calls Harris' immigration comments 'disappointing' as VP warns migrants 'do not come'.

The clear message was that the Zeitgeist of the party was on the side of open borders with swag bags full of taxpayer-funded goodies. It was only Biden, who we are supposed to believe is some kind of old school moderate that at least pretended to have reservations. But that is a minority position now, and after all it was Free Heath Care Harris who the administration put in charge of stemming the flow of illegal migrants.

White House 'perplexed' by Harris' border answers: report Video.

As the number of illegal border crossings surges to levels not seen in decades the proof of the president's priorities is in the pudding. Whatever policy Biden might want to pursue on the Mexican border, and who knows what that is, the direct result has been a massive influx of migrants straining the resources of border protection agencies and the patience of Americans who live there.

Democrats want open borders. Kamala Harris knows it, AOC knows it, and the American people know it. So let's knock it off with Biden's pretend concern over the overrun border and talk like adults in the real world.

Given all of this isn't it clear now that AOC's version of dealing with illegal immigration is far closer to current Democrat orthodoxy than Harris' tepid and limp message of "Don't come?

Kamala Harris's 'Root Causes' Tour in Central America Video.

Harris won't even visit the border but instead insists we must focus on "root causes. " If the crisis can't be solved until Guatemala and Honduras have marvelous functioning governments and economies then the American people are going to be waiting quite a long time indeed.

VP Harris 'advocating for lawlessness,' border patrol union president says.

The advantage to Ocasio-Cortez saying the quiet part out loud on immigration is that at least it can be a place to begin on negotiations.

Her Ellis Island era style approach to immigration that would let almost anyone enter the USA Can be met with reasonable questions about entitlements. Guest worker programs and the like can be discussed.

Biden won't solve the border crisis by making excuses: JuddVideo.

The Biden policy cannot be negotiated because there is no Biden policy. Instead there is status quo that floods the border with no real plans for the future.

Immigration surge driven by 'crazy Biden policies': REP. Jordan.

Nobody believes that Biden or Harris have even the slightest intention of getting tough on the border.

Fine. Just say so.

Make that the policy of the Democratic Party so the country can have a real conversation about an issue that stretches back decades.

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The only thing that should be off the table right now is doing nothing, but nothing is exactly what Biden is doing.

If AOC has real answers, even if they are the wrong ones, then she is the Democrat we should paying attention to in dealing with the border crisis.

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[QUOTE=Canada;2555525]This is the opinion of the far left media. When you get your vaccine it asked your race but none of the vaccinating facilities asked your political affiliation. When I got vaccinated the did not ask me if I was a Republican or a Socialist.

The numbers are not clear that Biden supporters have received more vaccinations than Trump supporters. The numbers are only clear that Blacks are resisting vaccinations.[/QUOTE]If you read the post properly, it is quite clear that the polls were not conducted at "vaccinating facilities". It states that it was a Marist Poll, and that people were asked if they had been vaxxed.

[QUOTE=Canada;2555616]I don't disagree with you as your point is well taken. A poll of 1000 people taken in New York would be drastically different than a poll of 1000 from Wyoming. I for sure don't trust anything CNN says as fact or the truth but I thought all the democrats believe CNN for everything. I got vaccinated in a big city at Walgreens. When I was eligible I went online and in our area there were no appointments available every day but in the area of blacks and Hispanics there were 15-17 appointments available every day of the week. This tells me the blacks and Hispanics were not getting vaccinated. When I got mine there were a few Hispanics but no blacks for my first shot and then my second shot. This also led me to believe blacks were not getting vaccinated.[/QUOTE]How true to form you are. Yet again you made a fool of yourself by trying to undercut the OP, and then rather than say, "My apologies, I misunderstood", you then change the subject to challenge the validity of the poll. I think I'm done with your persistent bad faith and whataboutery.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569491]Democrat House majority tried to impeach Trump twice on phony Russian collusion that was proved fake news. The senate proved his innocence. Obviously you missed that part.[/QUOTE]Once again Canada shows how clueless he is. Trump was impeached twice, once for withholding approved aid to pressure Ukraine into carrying out an investigation into Hunter Biden which was clearly for his personal gain and once for inciting the violence that occurred on Jan 6. Both times did the spineless Senate Republicans refuse to uphold the grievances though on the second case there were 7 that supported a conviction. No Russia in any of this apart from all the disinformation about Hunter Biden. We all know he is guilty but there is no longer in honour in the Republican party. Lets see how he goes with the current Grand Jury outcomes. After that I am sure there will be fraud investigations for his political fundraising as his business is pretty much down the toilet.

Stop and think.

To be a part of this ISG forum:

1. You must be a monger, IE, P4P, paying women for sex.

2. You can't discuss homo or TS BS.

So that means this is mostly men (and women who like to P4 p women, which turns me on).

This is like that conservative temple all male martial arts team of your dreams group where you could still have a dick (that you were born with) and not be ashamed of using it, and talk trash, like.

The top grossing porn of all time will be when "Kamala Harris" and "AOC" and "Ilhan Omar" 69 with each other before fucking each other with strapons before you, the POV hero, fuck them all.

How much more politically incorrect can it get?

And that my friends is why it would sell sell sell.

Here are a some relevant questions that the fascist corporate media (Comcast, AT&T, Disney, Facebook, Twitter) will never report on:

I paid $3.15 a gallon to fill my car with gas. Last year at this time, under President Trump, I paid $2.15. Why the price hike? Did Biden's assault on fossil fuel have anything to do with it?

Border authorities report close to 200,000 foreign nationals are crossing into the USA each month. So, why did President Biden dismantle Trump's "Stay in Mexico" policy that had almost stopped mass illegal immigration?

Inflation is growing at its fastest rate in 13 years. Why, exactly?

In the past five years approximately 3,000 African-Americans in Chicago have been murdered mostly by black criminals. Why? And why haven't the democrats who control Chicago done anything about it? Black lives only matter when some criminal asshole gets himself killed by cop for resisting arrest. Let's defund the Police.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569491]Democrat House majority tried to impeach Trump twice on phony Russian collusion that was proved fake news. The senate proved his innocence. Obviously you missed that part.[/QUOTE]The House didn't "try" to Impeach Trump, they Impeached Trump. Twice.

Three USA Presidents have been Impeached; Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump (twice). None of them were convicted by the Senate.

Does that mean Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton also were not Impeached? Of course, they were. And so was Trump. Twice.

Oh, also, among many, many other things, Obama's inauguration crowd was much bigger than Trump's, the 2020 election was won fair and square by Biden in a landslide just as Team Trump feared he would going back to at least 2017 and the mob of America-hating Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021 were Anti-American insurrectionists trying to overthrow American democracy, instigated by Trump based on one of his 30,000+ lies as the 1 term so-called potus, and not "patriotic tourists" taking in the sights in Washington D.C.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2569585]And you don't recognise irony. Something you post as sarcasm is seriously undercut when it turns out to be true.

BTW, have you ever entered "the lowest form of wit" into a search engine?[/QUOTE]Yes. What came up was Dublin 12.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569491]Democrat House majority tried to impeach Trump twice on phony Russian collusion that was proved fake news. The senate proved his innocence. Obviously you missed that part.[/QUOTE]You are completely ignorant about impeachment. But Republican fascists are ignorant about everything. After all, if they believe that Italian satellites changed 2020 election votes or that COVID vaccines alter DNA, they'll believe anything.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2569475]Chris P, the entire future of the Democratic party is invested in "science". "Science" is when a guy who is clearly a pro-Democrat bureaucrat like Fauci commands 99.99% of the grant money and dictates to scientists what is legit and not. Fauci did not want to chase down infections in the wild as they happened. He wanted to create them in a lab and play around with them. If you thought that was dangerous or wrong, you were shunned and got no money.

I have a feeling the same thing is going on with climate change / global warming. If you do not do studies supporting climate change, you get no grant money.

Thing is that I read this great piece on global warming / climate change by a somewhat neutral observer, and it speaks volumes about how climate change is not science but politics.

[URL]https://freemansperspective.com/my-adventures-at-climate-change-central/[/URL]

In 1999, my friend Henry Lamb mentioned that he had been attending UN meetings. I thought it sounded intriguing and asked for details. After all, reading about an organization is one thing; actually attending its meetings is another. And because I was so enthused, Henry offered to get me in to the Kyoto accord meetings in Bonn, Germany. (The official name was COP 5.)

When I arrived at the specified place and time, I found a magnificent hotel, surrounded by hundreds of soldiers and policemen. Everything was absolutely first class. To this day I don't think I've seen its equal in terms of high-end, well-run meetings. Everything was pristine; every need had been considered and addressed in advance.

The attendees, as you might suspect, were all well-dressed, and all appeared to be feeling special about attending such impressive, elite meetings. I, on the other hand, had a bit of a Groucho Marx moment: "I can't believe they let me into this place."

Once I started circulating, however, it became clear that "first class" extended no further than the physical layer. The presenters dressed well and tried to use impressive words; their PowerPoint slides were perfect, but the actual content was less than pedestrian.

I heard one speech where the speaker said that vast areas of her home country would be entirely underwater in ten years (which would have been 2009) and that every soul living there would be dead. As evidence, she referred to impressive names and organizations, who had "said so."

And that was the way the whole conference went. I kept thinking that there had to be someone there who was competent, that perhaps they were having the real meetings in some back room somewhere. If so, I never found them, and I had what appeared to be free run of the place.

As best I could tell, nearly every person at this event was someone making a living from global warming, or else some official's son, daughter, brother-in-law, or cousin. I found none that had any notable substance. They were flying first class, staying at magnificent hotels, eating in the finest restaurants, and, as I later learned, hiring the best prostitutes and snorting the best drugs. And they were doing it all on some government's tab..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately for you, you forgot the only true thing that trump ever tweeted: ""Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."

So using trump's own metric, he is responsible for everything that happened during his one term in office. Unless, of course, you prefer to admit that he wasn't a leader. There are only two choices here. Either trump is responsible or he wasn't a leader.

Did 500,000+ people die of COVID when the orange fruitcake was president? Yes. Therefore trump is responsible.

Did Mexico fail to pay for 'the wall'? Yes. Therefore trump is responsible.

Did Republicans fail to cancel the ACA? Yes. Therefore trump is responsible.

Did rioters storm the capitol on January 6th? Yes. Therefore trump is responsible.

See how that works?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2569622]The House didn't "try" to Impeach Trump, they Impeached Trump. Twice.

Three USA Presidents have been Impeached; Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump (twice). None of them were convicted by the Senate.

Does that mean Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton also were not Impeached? Of course, they were. And so was Trump. Twice.

Oh, also, among many, many other things, Obama's inauguration crowd was much bigger than Trump's, the 2020 election was won fair and square by Biden in a landslide just as Team Trump feared he would going back to at least 2017 and the mob of America-hating Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021 were Anti-American insurrectionists trying to overthrow American democracy, instigated by Trump based on one of his 30,000+ lies as the 1 term so-called potus, and not "patriotic tourists" taking in the sights in Washington D.C.[/QUOTE]Trump is gone. Why are you so fixated on him? Why do you lie about him? Was he that great of a president that you have to continue to lie about him to distract people from seeing how bad Biden is? You should be worried about the current president which has done more harm to Americans than even Obama did. Do you think if you keep lying about Trump No one will notice Biden incompetence? Biden reversing Trump policies created this:

Reversing Trump policy at the border created the current crises at the border that Biden, Harris and you socialists ignore.

Cancelling drilling permits for oil, cancelling pipelines and stopping logging has gas prices and lumber prices skyrocketing. You don't think high gas prices hurt the lower income?

Cancel culture.

Biden support of terrorists BLM and Antifa.

Record inflation.

Defund police and Highest crime rates in decades.

If Trump had done this they would have tried to impeach him 100 times.

Why do you condone a weak USA? Why do you want America to fail?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569429]"No proof just conjecture" - even Jon Stewart just called out your utter horseshit. Trying to make people believe it just happened to occur naturally right next to the only virology lab in China. Scientists saying it has properties which do not occur naturally. Oh, and they still haven't produced the original animal that it supposedly came from. Please. That's as idiotic as trying to convince people that a man who cuts his dick off is just as much of a woman as Blake Lively. Oh wait, you do that too.

And no, moron, the data shows that people in schools are no more likely to get the disease there than anywhere else. By contrast, what is quite clear are the massive problems closing schools causes to children during their most important formative years. Their intellectual, social and physical development is being stunted for life; they are suffering from a huge increase in mental health issues and abuse. But of course you selfish leftwing don't give a damn about any of that, as long as teacher union members can sit around at home feeding their cats and draining the taxpayer.[/QUOTE]An article that basically refutes your conjecture: [URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-tried-hard-prove-062047744.html[/URL].

No evidence of being made made and only circumstantial evidence of it coming from the lab. Who says this, the Trump administration investigations.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2569584]The polls are showing a 53% approval rating for Biden, and he has never been below 52%. Why do the majority of Americans not "reailse" they are being hurt? Since Jan 20th, CV cases are down 93% and deaths, by 92%. Yup! No doubt about it. Biden really is hurting Americans. Especially Funeral Homes.[/QUOTE]I agree his polls are good because no democrats are going to condemn him for the terrible job he has done in his first 5 months. Also he gets all the criminals who fully support his policies. Also he gets the illegals that fully support his policies. And the real reason is he is still giving money away. He is giving taxpayer money away to keep his popularity. I bet if you gave everyone on this forum money at least 53% of us would still like you.

Buying popularity only lasts so long before people wake up.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569655]I agree his polls are good because no democrats are going to condemn him for the terrible job he has done in his first 5 months. Also he gets all the criminals who fully support his policies. Also he gets the illegals that fully support his policies. And the real reason is he is still giving money away. He is giving taxpayer money away to keep his popularity. I bet if you gave everyone on this forum money at least 53% of us would still like you.

Buying popularity only lasts so long before people wake up.[/QUOTE]Just in case you need the title explained, the Bizarros were characters from Superman Comics who took view that what everyone else thought was good, they thought the opposite. So for example, a diamond which is pure carbon was ugly, whereas a lump of coal which is also carbon, was considered beautiful.

So you think that the 53% who approve are all Dems? That's interesting because Biden got a 52/48 share of the vote over Trump. Does that not suggest that that the election result was correct?

Seriously though. Do you really think a 93% reduction in CV infections and a 92% reduction in CV deaths is a "terrible job". How does that compare with Canada for example. In case you need to know, Canada cases are down 80% and deaths are down 91%. Maybe we should take a look at Wall St, where the stock market is up 18% since the election? Trump averaged 12% a year and managed 7. 3% by June 16th 2017.

There is something Marxist about your opinions. I refer to Chico and not Karl. You remind me of the scene from a day at the races where Groucho tells Chico, "This is the best horse on the track" to which Chico replies, "Yeah but that's only because he keeps winning". Groucho replied along the lines of, "Winning is all I want".

[QUOTE=Canada;2569655]I agree his polls are good because no democrats are going to condemn him for the terrible job he has done in his first 5 months. Also he gets all the criminals who fully support his policies. Also he gets the illegals that fully support his policies. And the real reason is he is still giving money away. He is giving taxpayer money away to keep his popularity. I bet if you gave everyone on this forum money at least 53% of us would still like you.

Buying popularity only lasts so long before people wake up.[/QUOTE]Did you inject too much bleach against Covid19 and it destroyed your brain?

[QUOTE=Beno69;2569663]Did you inject too much bleach against Covid19 and it destroyed your brain?[/QUOTE]Sorry. Just stating the facts. Which part can't you accept?

Do you really think democrats will condemn Biden for his train wreck?

Do you really think criminals liked Trump better than Biden policies?

Do you really think giving money away doesn't help Biden popularity?

Do you really think illegals liked Trump policies more than Biden's?

Please explain.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2552610]If you could read.

You would know your question has been answered repeatedly.[/QUOTE]I've just realised that Canada is an alter ego for Hannity. What gave it away? He keeps asking questions to which he knows the answer, but though the answer is not what he wants, he keeps hoping someone will give him a favourable reply.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2569661]Just in case you need the title explained, the Bizarros were characters from Superman Comics who took view that what everyone else thought was good, they thought the opposite. So for example, a diamond which is pure carbon was ugly, whereas a lump of coal which is also carbon, was considered beautiful.

So you think that the 53% who approve are all Dems? That's interesting because Biden got a 52/48 share of the vote over Trump. Does that not suggest that that the election result was correct?

Seriously though. Do you really think a 93% reduction in CV infections and a 92% reduction in CV deaths is a "terrible job". How does that compare with Canada for example. In case you need to know, Canada cases are down 80% and deaths are down 91%. Maybe we should take a look at Wall St, where the stock market is up 18% since the election? Trump averaged 12% a year and managed 7. 3% by June 16th 2017.

There is something Marxist about your opinions. I refer to Chico and not Karl. You remind me of the scene from a day at the races where Groucho tells Chico, "This is the best horse on the track" to which Chico replies, "Yeah but that's only because he keeps winning". Groucho replied along the lines of, "Winning is all I want".[/QUOTE]The 93% reduction in CV was because Trump fast tracked 3 vaccines and eliminated regulations to get them out to the public quickly. Biden inherited proven vaccines and just had to deliver them. FedEx did more for CV than Biden.

Canada numbers are worse because Trudeau would not accept Trump approved vaccines because he said Trump fast tracked them and they were not safe. Trudeau waited until mid February after millions of Americans were vaccinated. Trudeau is just a dumb socialist also.

Wall Street is doing good because Trump economy is coming back. Biden has only been able to hurt the oil business and logging business with his executive orders. He needs congress approval to raise taxes and put more regulations on business. Fortunately there are a few democrats that are hindering his killing the economy. If Biden does nothing which he has done so far the economy comes roaring back to Trump era. If Biden's policies get voted in the economy gets hurt and inflation skyrockets.

Listen to the experts on CNBC.

I agree with you on the 52% of the votes that Biden got to win the election. He did get the votes from the democrats, the criminals and the illegals. That is why he won.

Listen to the experts. The market is doing good because of policies Trump put in. Reduced taxes and reduced regulations are why the market is up. Biden has done nothing to help stock market. If Biden reverses Trump policies like he says he is going to do then the market suffers. Fortunately in the senate there are a couple smart democrats who understand this.

I feel sorry for you that you don't understand.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2569667]I've just realised that Canada is an alter ego for Hannity. What gave it away? He keeps asking questions to which he knows the answer, but though the answer is not what he wants, he keeps hoping someone will give him a favourable reply.[/QUOTE]I just realized that you are exactly like Harris. Give her the facts on the border she just ignores the facts and makes it into a joke and laughs it off. Never answers the questions. You much watch Hannity all the time since you know so much about him. I am glad you are supporting Fox News like the majority of the people in USA.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569683]I just realized that you are exactly like Harris. Give her the facts on the border she just ignores the facts and makes it into a joke and laughs it off. Never answers the questions. You much watch Hannity all the time since you know so much about him. I am glad you are supporting Fox News like the majority of the people in USA.[/QUOTE]My intro describes the ever declining quality of your posts.

FYI, I never watch Fox News. My expertise on Hanitty is based on his clips being shown on other channels exposing the vacuity of the man.

As for the majority of people in the US watching, never let the facts get in the way of a poor lie. His average audience is 3 mill, is less than 1% of the US population.

I am beginning to feel very guilty responding to your posts. I wouldn't approve on anyone else beating up on a retard, so I need to stop.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2569697]I am beginning to feel very guilty responding to your posts. , so I need to stop.[/QUOTE]That's the best idea you ever came up with! Did you arrive at this conclusion all by yourself?

[QUOTE=Canada;2569677]The 93% reduction in CV was because Trump fast tracked 3 vaccines and eliminated regulations to get them out to the public quickly. Biden inherited proven vaccines and just had to deliver them. FedEx did more for CV than Biden.

Canada numbers are worse because Trudeau would not accept Trump approved vaccines because he said Trump fast tracked them and they were not safe. Trudeau waited until mid February after millions of Americans were vaccinated. Trudeau is just a dumb socialist also.

Wall Street is doing good because Trump economy is coming back. Biden has only been able to hurt the oil business and logging business with his executive orders. He needs congress approval to raise taxes and put more regulations on business. Fortunately there are a few democrats that are hindering his killing the economy. If Biden does nothing which he has done so far the economy comes roaring back to Trump era. If Biden's policies get voted in the economy gets hurt and inflation skyrockets.

Listen to the experts on CNBC.

I agree with you on the 52% of the votes that Biden got to win the election. He did get the votes from the democrats, the criminals and the illegals. That is why he won.

Listen to the experts. The market is doing good because of policies Trump put in. Reduced taxes and reduced regulations are why the market is up. Biden has done nothing to help stock market. If Biden reverses Trump policies like he says he is going to do then the market suffers. Fortunately in the senate there are a couple smart democrats who understand this.

I feel sorry for you that you don't understand.[/QUOTE]The only thing that Trump fast tracked was Bleach. Trump couldn't organise a fuck-up in a brothel full of blind nymphomaniacs. You can bet that a large slice of the 600 k dead, died because they listened to Trump.

And if it's you want to talk about inherited economies, Trump got his from Obama, who inherited the worst economy since 1932.

You are definitely far too dumb to waste my time arguing with.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2569701]The only thing that Trump fast tracked was Bleach. Trump couldn't organise a fuck-up in a brothel full of blind nymphomaniacs. You can bet that a large slice of the 600 k dead, died because they listened to Trump.

And if it's you want to talk about inherited economies, Trump got his from Obama, who inherited the worst economy since 1932.

You are definitely far too dumb to waste my time arguing with.[/QUOTE]With thinking like that you will always be a loser. Biden would have done what Trudeau did. Nothing and wait for all the testing to be done killing millions not 600,000. Being anti American, anti business you will continue to hate America and free enterprise. Jealousy and hate are the democratic way now.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2569697]My intro describes the ever declining quality of your posts.

FYI, I never watch Fox News. My expertise on Hanitty is based on his clips being shown on other channels exposing the vacuity of the man.

As for the majority of people in the US watching, never let the facts get in the way of a poor lie. His average audience is 3 mill, is less than 1% of the US population.

I am beginning to feel very guilty responding to your posts. I wouldn't approve on anyone else beating up on a retard, so I need to stop.[/QUOTE]And that is why he is the most watched news in USA this month with the highest ratings. Typical racist democrat demonizing the retarded. Why are you racist and why do you hate USA?

[QUOTE=Canada;2569708]...Typical racist democrat demonizing the retarded. Why are you racist and why do you hate USA?[/QUOTE]There have been numerous studies about the mechanism behind rage / anger addiction. However, it is fundamentally a symptom aspect of ego fragility and injury, particular to a narcissistic personality (think Trump). The dopamine rush of anger is triggered by underlying feelings of weakness or insecurity. It temporarily allows the fragile ego a way to feel powerful and overcome the feelings of weakness or impotency. Internet trolling is essentially a form of autostimulation.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2569305][URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1404665481886195717[/URL]

"I think we owe a great debt of gratitude to science. Science has, in many ways, helped ease the suffering of this pandemic, which was more than likely caused by science," Stewart said after Colbert asked how he was feeling about the scientific response to COVID-19.

"Do you mean perhaps there's a chance that this was created in a lab?" asked Colbert, adding "There's an investigation."[/QUOTE]I adore Jon Stewart. I absolutely do, and it saddens me when trumpists use him to advance their brainless and wicked talking points.

But Stewart is not a scientist. He's not a virologist. He's a brilliant comedian, but that's the full extent of his qualifications.

Investigating coronovirus origins is like investigating the chicken and the egg. Stewart made a point to note that because there is a coronovirus lab in Wuhan, the virus most likely escaped from there.

However, unlike Jon Stewart, scientists know why there's been a lab in Wuhan in the first place. Because certain regions of China have conditions (the proximity of wildlife to farming lands) that are perfect for brewing novel coronoviruses. There are several coronovirus labs in China, and Wuhan Institute of Virology is merely one of them.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uutDz8kPK9c[/URL]

Is it possible that the virus escaped from the lab? Yes, and this is what's being investigated right now. But that's not why trumpists are salivating. What they really want is to build the foundation for their yet another insane crackpot theory -- that the virus had been engineered and sent into the world to topple the Orange Menace. That's what it is all about, really. Not science or comedy.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569636]Trump is gone. Why are you so fixated on him? Why do you lie about him? Was he that great of a president that you have to continue to lie about him to distract people from seeing how bad Biden is? You should be worried about the current president which has done more harm to Americans than even Obama did. Do you think if you keep lying about Trump No one will notice Biden incompetence? Biden reversing Trump policies created this:

Reversing Trump policy at the border created the current crises at the border that Biden, Harris and you socialists ignore.

Cancelling drilling permits for oil, cancelling pipelines and stopping logging has gas prices and lumber prices skyrocketing. You don't think high gas prices hurt the lower income?

Cancel culture.

Biden support of terrorists BLM and Antifa.[/QUOTE]Trump: "Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."

500 K+ Americans died of COVID on trump's watch. Using trump's own metric (above) he is responsible.

The ACA is still in place. Trump failed to overturn it, therefore, by his own metric, he is responsible.

Trump failed to build "the wall". By his own metric he is responsible.

Thousands of trump supporters rioted at the Capitol on January 6th. By his own metric, he is responsible.

Did trump stop any BLM protests this past summer? Nope. So he is responsible.

Why are fascists and republikkkans so obtuse.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2569715]I adore Jon Stewart. I absolutely do, and it saddens me when trumpists use him to advance their brainless and wicked talking points.

But Stewart is not a scientist. He's not a virologist. He's a brilliant comedian, but that's the full extent of his qualifications.

Investigating coronovirus origins is like investigating the chicken and the egg. Stewart made a point to note that because there is a coronovirus lab in Wuhan, the virus most likely escaped from there.

However, unlike Jon Stewart, scientists know why there's been a lab in Wuhan in the first place. Because certain regions of China have conditions (the proximity of wildlife to farming lands) that are perfect for brewing novel coronoviruses. There are several coronovirus labs in China, and Wuhan Institute of Virology is merely one of them.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uutDz8kPK9c[/URL]

Is it possible that the virus escaped from the lab? Yes, and this is what's being investigated right now. [b]But that's not why trumpists are salivating. What they really want is to build the foundation for their yet another insane crackpot theory -- that the virus had been engineered and sent into the world to topple the Orange Menace. That's what it is all about, really.[/b] Not science or comedy.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Trump supporters will believe just about anything.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569708]And that is why he is the most watched news in USA this month with the highest ratings. Typical racist democrat [b]demonizing the retarded[/b]. Why are you racist and why do you hate USA?[/QUOTE]Just because millions of idiots watch Fux news just means that there millions of morons who watch Fux news. That's just like the 74+ million morons that voted for the orange fruitcake. So what. He still lost. He, and you, might bloviate about how he got more votes than Obama. But so what? 7 million more voted for Biden.

Nobody has ever demonized you, regardless of your ridiculous arguments and your refusal to come in from the rain.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569706]With thinking like that you will always be a loser.[b] Biden would have done what Trudeau did. Nothing and wait for all the testing to be done killing millions [/b]not 600,000. Being anti American, anti business you will continue to hate America and free enterprise. Jealousy and hate are the democratic way now.[/QUOTE]And I'll bet you have a source for that, right? Sure you do.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2569714]There have been numerous studies about the mechanism behind rage / anger addiction. However, it is fundamentally a symptom aspect of ego fragility and injury, particular to a narcissistic personality (think Trump). The dopamine rush of anger is triggered by underlying feelings of weakness or insecurity. It temporarily allows the fragile ego a way to feel powerful and overcome the feelings of weakness or impotency. Internet trolling is essentially a form of autostimulation.[/QUOTE]Your answer makes no sense but I guess it what you democrats think gives you the power to be racist and use terms like retards. I guess it your response why the democrats are racists and have so much hate and anger of the USA. This isn't a Trumpster making these comments and using terms like retards. It you you a democrat racist.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2569715]I adore Jon Stewart. I absolutely do, and it saddens me when trumpists use him to advance their brainless and wicked talking points.

But Stewart is not a scientist. He's not a virologist. He's a brilliant comedian, but that's the full extent of his qualifications.

Investigating coronovirus origins is like investigating the chicken and the egg. Stewart made a point to note that because there is a coronovirus lab in Wuhan, the virus most likely escaped from there.

However, unlike Jon Stewart, scientists know why there's been a lab in Wuhan in the first place. Because certain regions of China have conditions (the proximity of wildlife to farming lands) that are perfect for brewing novel coronoviruses. There are several coronovirus labs in China, and Wuhan Institute of Virology is merely one of them.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uutDz8kPK9c[/URL]

Is it possible that the virus escaped from the lab? Yes, and this is what's being investigated right now. But that's not why trumpists are salivating. What they really want is to build the foundation for their yet another insane crackpot theory -- that the virus had been engineered and sent into the world to topple the Orange Menace. That's what it is all about, really. Not science or comedy.[/QUOTE]Keep dreaming. Yes Benghazi was a hoax. Tell that to the families who lost loved ones on the slaughter. Everything you don't agree with is a hoax.

When Trump was president the late night host and comedians toasted him. Now that one of them actually reports a truth you demonize him. Wuhan will be proved responsible for causing the virus. Not by the democrats in office who are protecting China but by the rest of the world leaders. I guess I don't agree with democrats of their love for China. Just because China has made the Biden's rich does not mean they are not guilty. China is a communist country and the democrats protect their kind.

If you are dumb enough to think China is not corrupt then you have serious problems.

The hatred of the democrats coming out every day. Last year Stewart was a hero now he is scum.

Arizona senator defeated McSally to get a senate seat for the democrats. Was a hero last year and now that she is doing what is right for 100% of her state she is scum. You either agree with socialism or the democrats hatred fires up.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2569479]In the UK they had an outbreak of foot and mouth due to a leak from a lab. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_Kingdom_foot-and-mouth_outbreak[/URL].

By your logic it must have been man made. Except it wasn't, the lab was studying foot and mouth.
[/QUOTE]What? Foot and mouth disease has been around for hundreds of years. Covid-19 is entirely new, and scientists say it has properties which are not naturally occurring. You really aren't very bright.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569733]Arizona senator defeated McSally to get a senate seat for the democrats. Was a hero last year and now that she is doing what is right for 100% of her state she is scum. You either agree with socialism or the democrats hatred fires up.[/QUOTE]A little bit like McCain and Romney who were nominated by Republicans to be their nominee, their choice to lead the country, and then both were despised, reviled, hated, and spat upon by the same Republicans?

Or John Roberts who was nominated by a Republican president to be the Chief Justice and now he is routinely called names by today's Republicans.

[URL]https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/federal-foreknowledge-jan-6-unindicted-co-conspirators-raise-disturbing-questions/[/URL]

Many of the alleged organisers of the tiny minority of Trump supporters who trespassed in the Capitol on January 6, including leaders of the "Proud Boys" and "Oath Keepers", are unindicted co-conspirators despite the feds having proof that they were in the Capitol. This is because the FBI cannot indict their own agents and informants.

Not only did the FBI know well in advance of the plan to enter the Capitol, it turns out that many of the leaders planning and encouraging it were feds. The whole thing was a setup. Federal agents organized and encouraged it well in advance. They knew what was going to happen (because they had planned it) but they ensured that the Capitol police were hugely understaffed at the Capitol, and the police opened the doors and ushered the protesters inside, as has been seen in multiple videos.

Then the fake news media seized upon it with their false and hysterical nonsense about "the worst attack since Pearl Harbor" despite no casualties other than unarmed veteran protester Ashli Babbitt, while ignoring the burning and looting of cities, and actual violent assaults on federal courthouses and the White House by the BLM / antifa footsoldiers.

The deep state in action. We cannot live with these people.

First, a black man went on a 20 hour shooting spree motivated by race, in which he deliberately sought out and shot white men. Have you seen this on CNN? New York Times? Of course not. Only the New York Post ran with it. Thank god for Rupert Murdoch, the last Gentile in media. [URL]https://nypost.com/2021/06/15/black-suspects-shooting-spree-motivated-by-race-detective/[/URL].

What would the mainstream media coverage be if it was the other way round? If a white man had deliberately gone on a shooting spree targeting black men. We all know. Endless wall-to-wall coverage for days; all whites are responsible; etc. The fake news is biased, anti-white garbage. And the great thing is that now, most people know it.

Second, Hunter Biden was shown to have used the and-word repeatedly in his text messages. Again, have you seen this on CNN? (Not that anyone watches CNN, but you know what I mean). Of course not. Can you imagine if Don Trump Jr's texts were released and he was found to have used the and-word several times? Do you think it would be covered up? Why not? They are in the same position: sons of presidents.

Yet again the answer is the egregious hypocrisy and bias of the fake news. Only the New York Post has highlighted this story: [URL]https://nypost.com/2021/06/10/mainstream-media-ignores-lewd-hunter-biden-n-word-texts-to-his-lawyer/[/URL].

This open North Korea-style media bias is not sustainable. In the old days the media leaned left but made an effort to have a semblance of balance. The last few years they have just gone all out in obvious falsehoods, bias, anti-white hate, anti-conservative hate, openly and obviously fake news. It is like the Bolshevik media toward kulaks, but amplified by the power of Big Tech. Something has to give.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569636]Trump is gone. Why are you so fixated on him? Why do you lie about him? Was he that great of a president that you have to continue to lie about him to distract people from seeing how bad Biden is? You should be worried about the current president which has done more harm to Americans than even Obama did. Do you think if you keep lying about Trump No one will notice Biden incompetence? Biden reversing Trump policies created this:

Reversing Trump policy at the border created the current crises at the border that Biden, Harris and you socialists ignore.

Cancelling drilling permits for oil, cancelling pipelines and stopping logging has gas prices and lumber prices skyrocketing. You don't think high gas prices hurt the lower income?

Cancel culture.

Biden support of terrorists BLM and Antifa.

Record inflation.

Defund police and Highest crime rates in decades.

If Trump had done this they would have tried to impeach him 100 times.

Why do you condone a weak USA? Why do you want America to fail?[/QUOTE]By definition, the people who support, defend and continue to vote for the only political Party whose legislation and economic stewardship produced and presided over every major Crash, Massive USA Job Losses, Recession and Depression of the past 100 years including the ones produced by Trump, the most likely 2024 GQP nominee for so-called potus, and none of the Great Economic Expansions (that would be the Republican Party) while at the same time denigrating the one political Party whose legislation and economic stewardship produced and presided over every Great Economic Recovery, Expansion, Massive USA Job Creation and none of the major economic downturns of the past 100 years (that would be the Democratic Party) are the people condoning a weak USA and wanting America to fail.

There is really no other conclusion possible.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2569814]By definition, the people who support, defend and continue to vote for the only political Party whose legislation and economic stewardship produced and presided over every major Crash, Massive USA Job Losses, Recession and Depression of the past 100 years including the ones produced by Trump, the most likely 2024 GQP nominee for so-called potus, and none of the Great Economic Expansions (that would be the Republican Party) while at the same time denigrating the one political Party whose legislation and economic stewardship produced and presided over every Great Economic Recovery, Expansion, Massive USA Job Creation and none of the major economic downturns of the past 100 years (that would be the Democratic Party) are the people condoning a weak USA and wanting America to fail.

There is really no other conclusion possible.[/QUOTE]Here's a link to back you up: [URL]https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/AER_revision.pdf[/URL].

All of the kkkonservatives on this board will call it fake news. It isn't, of course, but they shout a lot 'cause they don't have any facts. (Unless Tucker, Hannity and Jon Stewart count as experts).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2569814]By definition, the people who support, defend and continue to vote for the only political Party whose legislation and economic stewardship produced and presided over every major Crash, Massive USA Job Losses, Recession and Depression of the past 100 years including the ones produced by Trump, the most likely 2024 GQP nominee for so-called potus, and none of the Great Economic Expansions (that would be the Republican Party) while at the same time denigrating the one political Party whose legislation and economic stewardship produced and presided over every Great Economic Recovery, Expansion, Massive USA Job Creation and none of the major economic downturns of the past 100 years (that would be the Democratic Party) are the people condoning a weak USA and wanting America to fail.

There is really no other conclusion possible.[/QUOTE]Why do you waste your time writing this rubbish? Trump economy is still going strong despite Biden screwups. Obviously you never had a business or hired anyone in your lifetime. You have no clue how good Trump was for the economy and how bad Biden is for the economy. You are a disgrace.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569733]Keep dreaming. Yes Benghazi was a hoax. Tell that to the families who lost loved ones on the slaughter. Everything you don't agree with is a hoax.

When Trump was president the late night host and comedians toasted him. Now that one of them actually reports a truth you demonize him. Wuhan will be proved responsible for causing the virus. Not by the democrats in office who are protecting China but by the rest of the world leaders. I guess I don't agree with democrats of their love for China. Just because China has made the Biden's rich does not mean they are not guilty. China is a communist country and the democrats protect their kind.

If you are dumb enough to think China is not corrupt then you have serious problems.

The hatred of the democrats coming out every day. Last year Stewart was a hero now he is scum.

Arizona senator defeated McSally to get a senate seat for the democrats. Was a hero last year and now that she is doing what is right for 100% of her state she is scum. You either agree with socialism or the democrats hatred fires up.[/QUOTE]Excellent post. Reminds me of Julian Assange. He was a hero of the left too, when he was exposing things that they wanted to be exposed. But when it turned out that Assange was an unbiased journalist who also shed light upon the misdeeds of leftists and democrats like Crooked Hillary Clinton, they and their fake news media started smearing and attacking him. These people are Bolshevik filth and must be stopped.

Kudos to Kyrsten Sinema too. When she was elected I was expecting just another wacky communist Gender Studies catlady, but she evidently cares about the country and has some understanding of the Constitution, which sets her apart from most democrats.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2569826]Here's a link to back you up: [URL]https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/AER_revision.pdf[/URL].[/QUOTE]Whenever you see a leftist "factcheck", you can be even more sure than usual that they are lying.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569828]Why do you waste your time writing this rubbish? Trump economy is still going strong despite Biden screwups. Obviously you never had a business or hired anyone in your lifetime. You have no clue how good Trump was for the economy and how bad Biden is for the economy. You are a disgrace.[/QUOTE]Dems / leftists go straight from the Gender Studies degree (and 6 figure debt) to Starbucks. Unless their daddy works in Washington, in which case they get some make-work non-job in one of the many taxpayer-sucking vampire organizations in that corrupt swamp. Or they're black lesbians, in which case they are fast tracked into the DMV (the only fast thing they will ever do in their life).

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/more-evidence-covid-in-US-by-Christmas-2019-11346afc5e18eee81ebcf35d9e6caee2[/URL]

Turns out that covid was in the US in back in 2019. There were no lockdowns for months, and we know how contagious it is, so millions of Americans no doubt contracted it when out and about in their normal lives, and didn't even notice.

This shows even more starkly how overhyped this entire so-called "pandemic" is, for a virus with a survival rate of 99.9% which is no more dangerous than the flu for healthy people under 60. The only vulnerable groups are old and sick people. Precisely the ones that Democrat Govs Gretchen Whitmer and Andrew "Soprano" Cuomo failed to protect.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569758]What? Foot and mouth disease has been around for hundreds of years. Covid-19 is entirely new, and scientists say it has properties which are not naturally occurring. You really aren't very bright.[/QUOTE]Exactly, your logic was that the virus escaped from a lab so it is man made. I'm pointing out a concrete example where this was definitely not the case. You stated Trump was right that the virus is man made. So far as usual you provide no verifiable evidence. I'm not discounting it may have escaped from the lab, but there is no evidence that it did. A lot less evidence it was man made.

All flus and other diseases that have had major and minor impacts on humans have been traced to natural sources. It is far more likely the source was natural than man made so as far as your original proposition goes it ranks with pretty much all your other conspiracy nonsense as the laughingly pathetic rantings of the gullible right.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569828]Why do you waste your time writing this rubbish? Trump economy is still going strong despite Biden screwups. Obviously you never had a business or hired anyone in your lifetime. You have no clue how good Trump was for the economy and how bad Biden is for the economy. You are a disgrace.[/QUOTE]Trump rode Obama's coattails and trumps economy performed worse than Obama's starting about 6 months after Obama left office-when gop policies starting ruining things. Trumps economy sputtered once Obama's policies were usurped by stupid trump decisions. Then trump fucked up the virus response and destroyed the US economy. Now Biden is rebuilding the economy just like Obama did after Bush and Clinton did after daddy Bush.

Trump was a complete moron and total liar. A wannabe authoritarian who was just plain stupid. Trump is the biggest con in US history-an incredibly stupid person (reads and writes at a 4th grade level) who never was an actual business person! Name one person on earth who says they did business with trump and came out better for it. Name one person on earth who worked for trump and credits trump for future business success and the brilliant things trump taught him / her. You can't. Because its all a fraud. Trump was never a real business man, he is not smart, he did nothing to help the economy or anything else. Trump is what stupid people think smart people are. There are hundreds of people who will tell you they did business with Mark Cuban, or Warren Buffett, or Steve Balmer-actual billionaires (trump was never an actual billionaire-its all a lie!) and came out better for it. Hundreds of people who worked for people like mark Cuban and then said: I was a regular guy until I met Mark Cuban- then he taught me how to be successful. All real businessmen have people they have helped be more successful. Trump does not. Because its all a fraud and a con. Shameful that people are still so stupid they are still falling for it.

If trump was that good for business: Biden couldn't have ruined it all in 150 ish days! Just like trump didn't ruin it all in the first 150 days after Obama. But once trump policies took place, the economy suffered, the virus response failed, the environment was destroyed, racism increased, violent crime went up, and the US had an insurrection against democracy and the rule of law. The republicans are out of ideas and a failed party--that's why they rig the votes-because they can't actually persuade the people!

Trump is a liar, thief and a failure-he can't even legally own a charity because he is a fraud and a criminal. Biden is repairing the economy trump ruined after Obama saved it from Bush.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569828]Why do you waste your time writing this rubbish? Trump economy is still going strong despite Biden screwups. Obviously you never had a business or hired anyone in your lifetime. You have no clue how good Trump was for the economy and how bad Biden is for the economy. You are a disgrace.[/QUOTE]So tell me, is the market up or down since Biden took office?

Up means Biden's economy is doing fine. Down means it isn't.

Give me a one-word answer to the question.

[QUOTE=Canada;2569733]Keep dreaming. Yes Benghazi was a hoax. Tell that to the families who lost loved ones on the slaughter. Everything you don't agree with is a hoax.

When Trump was president the late night host and comedians toasted him. Now that one of them actually reports a truth you demonize him. Wuhan will be proved responsible for causing the virus. Not by the democrats in office who are protecting China but by the rest of the world leaders. I guess I don't agree with democrats of their love for China. Just because China has made the Biden's rich does not mean they are not guilty. China is a communist country and the democrats protect their kind.

If you are dumb enough to think China is not corrupt then you have serious problems.

The hatred of the democrats coming out every day. Last year Stewart was a hero now he is scum.

Arizona senator defeated McSally to get a senate seat for the democrats. Was a hero last year and now that she is doing what is right for 100% of her state she is scum. You either agree with socialism or the democrats hatred fires up.[/QUOTE]Hillary testified for 9 hours under oath in front of Congress on national TV. She was exonerated by the republicans and democrats--and yes, most of the benghazi hysteria turned out to be a hoax!

It was a bunch of bullshit. 4 people were killed-that's tragic. 5 were killed at the US Capitol during trumps lie based insurrection attempt to overthrow the US Constiution and tun the USA into an authoritarian regime. Why didn't the republicans want hearings on that? Why won't trump ever go under oath? Why is trump weaker and more dishonest than Hillary? Why is trump more unwilling to tell the people the truth, under oath, than Hillary was?

Why do republicans think that 4 people killed in a riot in Libya is worse than 5 killed during an attempted rebellion against the US government in Washington DC?

Hillary went under oath. Hillary was exonerated. Most of the benghazi nonsense was exposed as being just that: nonsense and lies by republicans.

Why won't trump and his minions hold themselves to the same standards Hillary held herself to-by voluntarily testifying under oath in front of congress?

Why won't the republicans even support the US Capitol Hill police if the think 'blue lives matter'?

The GOP is nothing but a bunch of racist power hungry idiots who are trying to maintain the white male christian patriarchy at all costs. They have shown disdin for the US Constitution, our courts, our congress and anyone who isn't a white male christian nazi like them!

[QUOTE=Canada;2569828]Why do you waste your time writing this rubbish? Trump economy is still going strong despite Biden screwups. Obviously you never had a business or hired anyone in your lifetime. You have no clue how good Trump was for the economy and how bad Biden is for the economy. You are a disgrace.[/QUOTE]Are you counting among "Biden's screwups" and his complete turnaround of the "Trump economy" his construction of the most successful vaccination administration on the Planet (when Trump had NONE) of the vaccinations Trump spent almost a year trying to convince everyone who would listen to him NOT to bother inventing? Btw, Trump did that for spectacularly wrong-headed economic reasons, of course.

And Biden's passage of the American Rescue Plan?

Both of which are continuing to turn Trump's horrific economic decisions results around, rescue, recover and grow the USA Economy far and away faster and stronger than any other major country that got hit hard by Trump's Pandemic.

Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck and the Dems. No thanks to any Repubs.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2569826]Here's a link to back you up: [URL]https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/AER_revision.pdf[/URL].

All of the kkkonservatives on this board will call it fake news. It isn't, of course, but they shout a lot 'cause they don't have any facts. (Unless Tucker, Hannity and Jon Stewart count as experts).[/QUOTE]Of course. It has been blatantly, embarrassingly obvious for at least a century that Repubs crash USA markets and the economy by any means necessary. It is the only thing they do for a living. They wouldn't have a clue how to do anything else.

Anyone who has not noticed that or ever bothered to at least look at the irrefutable record of results and instead falls sucker for Mainstream (corporate) Media's stunningly impossible self-serving spin that "Republicans are better at handling the economy" is either too dumb to realize or has chosen to be willfully ignorant of the fact that every vote, every show of support, every praise of a Repub over a Dem or even their decision to stay home and not vote for a Dem is a vote FOR another Great Repub Crash, Massive USA Jobs Losses, Recession or Depression.

Which, unavoidably, is also a vote to make America weak and fail. No exceptions.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569929][URL]https://apnews.com/article/more-evidence-covid-in-US-by-Christmas-2019-11346afc5e18eee81ebcf35d9e6caee2[/URL]

Turns out that covid was in the US in back in 2019. There were no lockdowns for months, and we know how contagious it is, so millions of Americans no doubt contracted it when out and about in their normal lives, and didn't even notice.

This shows even more starkly how overhyped this entire so-called "pandemic" is, for a virus with a survival rate of 99.9% which is no more dangerous than the flu for healthy people under 60. The only vulnerable groups are old and sick people. Precisely the ones that Democrat Govs Gretchen Whitmer and Andrew "Soprano" Cuomo failed to protect.[/QUOTE]Please stop with the 99.9% survival rate BS.

It is dangerous. It is fraudulent. It is a lie.

Only frauds and trump supporters believe this.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2569929][URL]https://apnews.com/article/more-evidence-covid-in-US-by-Christmas-2019-11346afc5e18eee81ebcf35d9e6caee2[/URL]

Turns out that covid was in the US in back in 2019. There were no lockdowns for months, and we know how contagious it is, so millions of Americans no doubt contracted it when out and about in their normal lives, and didn't even notice.

This shows even more starkly how overhyped this entire so-called "pandemic" is, for a virus with a survival rate of 99.9% which is no more dangerous than the flu for healthy people under 60. The only vulnerable groups are old and sick people. Precisely the ones that Democrat Govs Gretchen Whitmer and Andrew "Soprano" Cuomo failed to protect.[/QUOTE]If the virus was already in the US at Christmas 2019, then the orange fruitcake's travel ban was locking the barn door after all of the horses escaped.

One thing that you republikkkans forget is that you can't have things both ways.

"Vladimir Putin lavished praise on his USA Counterpart Joe Biden on Thursday, a day after the two leaders held a summit, saying Biden was incorrectly portrayed in the Russian media as being unfocused and vague. " [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-says-biden-understood-130644207.html[/URL].

Proof that kkkonservatives are easily duped.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570010]Of course. It has been blatantly, embarrassingly obvious for at least a century that Repubs crash USA markets and the economy by any means necessary. It is the only thing they do for a living. They wouldn't have a clue how to do anything else.

Anyone who has not noticed that or ever bothered to at least look at the irrefutable record of results and instead falls sucker for Mainstream (corporate) Media's stunningly impossible self-serving spin that "Republicans are better at handling the economy" is either too dumb to realize or has chosen to be willfully ignorant of the fact that every vote, every show of support, every praise of a Repub over a Dem or even their decision to stay home and not vote for a Dem is a vote FOR another Great Repub Crash, Massive USA Jobs Losses, Recession or Depression.

Which, unavoidably, is also a vote to make America weak and fail. No exceptions.[/QUOTE]Well we will see what history brings us. Trump left the economy strong even after CV. Biden is trying to kill it. We will see what he does in next 18 months. Current history is what I care about not past history. There was a time when democrats were an asset to the USA economy but they just haven't shown up last 12 years. Reason for this is half the democrats have turned to socialism like all the socialists in this forum.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570005]Are you counting among "Biden's screwups" and his complete turnaround of the "Trump economy" his construction of the most successful vaccination administration on the Planet (when Trump had NONE) of the vaccinations Trump spent almost a year trying to convince everyone who would listen to him NOT to bother inventing? Btw, Trump did that for spectacularly wrong-headed economic reasons, of course.

And Biden's passage of the American Rescue Plan?

Both of which are continuing to turn Trump's horrific economic decisions results around, rescue, recover and grow the USA Economy far and away faster and stronger than any other major country that got hit hard by Trump's Pandemic.

Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck and the Dems. No thanks to any Repubs.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] How did Biden and Harris get vaccinated in December if Trump did not have the vaccine. Did Biden invent his own vaccine? Are you that stupid? American Rescue plan was democratic state rescue plan. Trump stimulus plan helped individuals and small businesses. Biden helped poorly run cities. Trump economy was best in history before Wuhan virus and it is still strong because Biden has not gotten congress to reverse Trump tax cuts and regulations. Biden did hurt the oil and logging though by executive order giving us high gas prices and high lumber prices. Biden economy will do great as long as he does nothing which he has so far.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570005]Are you counting among "Biden's screwups" and his complete turnaround of the "Trump economy" his construction of the most successful vaccination administration on the Planet (when Trump had NONE) of the vaccinations Trump spent almost a year trying to convince everyone who would listen to him NOT to bother inventing? Btw, Trump did that for spectacularly wrong-headed economic reasons, of course.

And Biden's passage of the American Rescue Plan?

Both of which are continuing to turn Trump's horrific economic decisions results around, rescue, recover and grow the USA Economy far and away faster and stronger than any other major country that got hit hard by Trump's Pandemic.

Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck and the Dems. No thanks to any Repubs.[/QUOTE]No I am only counting Biden screwups his executive orders that hurt the oil and logging industry to give us high gas prices and high lumber prices. Hurting the lower income the most. Trump economy was best ever until Wuhan virus and it is still strong because Biden has done nothing yet. If Biden does nothing and doesn't reverse Trump policies on taxes and regulations Biden economy will be strong.

American Rescue Plan was a bailout of poorly run democrat states not like Trump stimulus that helped individuals and small businesses.

G7 Summit just proved how bad Biden is in world affairs. It was a disaster last week and an embarrassment to USA.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570005]Are you counting among "Biden's screwups" and his complete turnaround of the "Trump economy" his construction of the most successful vaccination administration on the Planet (when Trump had NONE) of the vaccinations Trump spent almost a year trying to convince everyone who would listen to him NOT to bother inventing? [/QUOTE]What the actual fuck? The ignorance and wrongness of your fake news is going off the scale. Ever heard of Operation Warp Speed? It was estimated that the vaccines would take several years to come online, but Trump used his outstanding organisation skills and ability to make positive things happen, to get them done by the end of the year. By the time former VP Biden's deep state handlers had him fraudulently installed, the vaccine rollout was well underway.

The fact that you can make the statements you did, which are the complete opposite of reality, shows us how deeply the fake news rot has spread and increases the likelihood of secession some way down the road. Sane and patriotic Americans cannot coexist with such barefaced mendacity.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2569992]Why do republicans think that 4 people killed in a riot in Libya[/QUOTE]It was a sustained assault upon a US consulate. Which is American territory. Which killed a US ambassador. The security of the ambassador was the responsibility of the Secretary of State, Crooked Hillary Clinton, and the President, Barack Hussein Okenya. They failed and betrayed their country, neither for the first nor the last time.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2569960]Exactly, your logic was that the virus escaped from a lab so it is man made. I'm pointing out a concrete example where this was definitely not the case.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] I will explain the situation as simply as I can,[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. Let's give it a shot:

Foot and mouth disease has existed for centuries, since before labs existed. There are outbreaks every now and then. When outbreaks happen, people understand that the disease was not created in a lab, because it has been around for centuries.

Covid-19 is a brand new disease, never encountered before. It originated right next to the only virology institute in the whole of China. Scientists have stated that it contains properties which are not naturally occuring. Furthermore, thanks to the excellent journalism of Sky News Australia, we now know that China lied (yet again) when they said there were no bats being experimented upon in the insitutute: video has been released showing bats were there.

Unlike foot and mouth, the evidence that Covid-19 was man made in the Wuhan Institute of Virology is overwhelming. Anyone who denies this can only be doing so for political reasons.

Following on from the ongoing Arizona election audit, it has now been revealed that election dropboxes in Fulton County, Georgia (which contains the democrat rotten borough of Atlanta) have no chain of custody. Even Georgia Secretary of State Raffensberger, who is a RINO cuckservative, has been forced to investigate this irregularity and others. [URL]https://humanevents.com/2021/06/17/georgia-audit-documents-reveal-significant-election-irregularities/[/URL].

The democrat / establishment election fraud is unravelling.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2570021]If the the orange fruitcake's travel ban was locking the barn door after all of the horses escaped.

One thing that you republikkkans forget is that you can't have things both ways.[/QUOTE]Politicians are so afraid of facing the wrath of public opinion (I. E. The media and 'opinion shapers') accusing them of doing nothing, that they're too often cornered into overreacting. This is not necessarily a Dem / Repub thing. For examples of how this works, get on the emailing lists for your Congressperson and Senators and see their breathless messages detailing all the big and important things they're doing for you.

What about open borders for us? What some of our favorite countries make you go through just to get a retirement visa (or equivalent) is practically extortionate. And all you want to do is contribute to their economy.

[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/yHpuTjOXQaZ7/?list=notifications&randomize=false[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2570074]Well we will see what history brings us. Trump left the economy strong even after CV. Biden is trying to kill it. We will see what he does in next 18 months. Current history is what I care about not past history. There was a time when democrats were an asset to the USA economy but they just haven't shown up last 12 years. Reason for this is half the democrats have turned to socialism like all the socialists in this forum.[/QUOTE]The orange fruitcake's economy was built on the deficit. In other words, trump's economy was FAKE NEWS.

[URL]https://www.crfb.org/blogs/deficit-has-never-been-high-when-economy-was-strong[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570099]What the actual fuck? The ignorance and wrongness of your fake news is going off the scale. Ever heard of Operation Warp Speed? It was estimated that the vaccines would take several years to come online, but Trump used his outstanding organisation skills and ability to make positive things happen, to get them done by the end of the year. By the time former VP Biden's deep state handlers had him fraudulently installed, the vaccine rollout was well underway.

The fact that you can make the statements you did, which are the complete opposite of reality, shows us how deeply the fake news rot has spread and increases the likelihood of secession some way down the road. Sane and patriotic Americans cannot coexist with such barefaced mendacity.[/QUOTE]Operation Warp Speed was a joke. Any idiot could have thrown billions of dollars at that problem and come up with the same solution.

The genome for COVID was mapped before trump even got his first hard-on of 2020.

Most "red states" lag far behind "blue states" in vaccination percentages. That's because there are so many MAGAts in red states. [URL]https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570113]Foot and mouth disease has existed for centuries, since before labs existed. There are outbreaks every now and then. When outbreaks happen, people understand that the disease was not created in a lab, because it has been around for centuries.

Covid-19 is a brand new disease, never encountered before. It originated right next to the only virology institute in the whole of China. Scientists have stated that it contains properties which are not naturally occuring. Furthermore, thanks to the excellent journalism of Sky News Australia, we now know that China lied (yet again) when they said there were no bats being experimented upon in the insitutute: video has been released showing bats were there.

Unlike foot and mouth, the evidence that Covid-19 was man made in the Wuhan Institute of Virology is overwhelming. Anyone who denies this can only be doing so for political reasons.[/QUOTE]The Trump administration denied it.

You don't know how long the coronavirus has existed. Just because it is newly discovered does not mean it has not been around. We now have the "Moscow" variant which makes 5 variants in a year. Are they all man made or is this a virus that is capable of rapid mutation. Your supposition that it is man made is just that. The evidence is extremely underwhelming. In fact there are many geneticists saying that the closest known viruses are only 96% similar. Compare this to a human vs chimp which are about 98.7% similar. Not so easy to turn a make a human out of a chimp. Though in your case turning a human into a chimp only requires reading some QANON conspiracy theories.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570099]What the actual fuck? The ignorance and wrongness of your fake news is going off the scale. Ever heard of Operation Warp Speed? It was estimated that the vaccines would take several years to come online, but Trump used his outstanding organisation skills and ability to make positive things happen, to get them done by the end of the year. By the time former VP Biden's deep state handlers had him fraudulently installed, the vaccine rollout was well underway.

The fact that you can make the statements you did, which are the complete opposite of reality, shows us how deeply the fake news rot has spread and increases the likelihood of secession some way down the road. Sane and patriotic Americans cannot coexist with such barefaced mendacity.[/QUOTE]"Operation Warp Speed" was merely the brand name Trump gave the effort to invent a vaccine for his Pandemic well after vaccine manufacturers defied his long, loud and persistent dismissal of a need for it and started inventing one anyway.

At most, Trump finally gave up trying to convince everyone on Earth, including vaccine manufacturers, that the viral threat was a "HOAX!, only 1 case out of China, 15 here and that will be near zero soon, we've got this under control, it will disappear like in a dream, it will disappear WITHOUT A VACCINE!, there will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020)", etc, etc, etc and applied some too little too late tax dollars (that he proudly admits he doesn't even pay) to the effort.

Meanwhile, he and Melania got vaccinated in near secrecy back in January. Which isn't the way anyone who had anything to do with championing or promoting the invention of a vaccine and the administering of one would do it. Obviously, among other "tells" he gave away in that move, even Trump knows he had fuck all nothing to do with that positive outcome.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570123]Following on from the ongoing Arizona election audit, it has now been revealed that election dropboxes in Fulton County, Georgia (which contains the democrat rotten borough of Atlanta) have no chain of custody. Even Georgia Secretary of State Raffensberger, who is a RINO cuckservative, has been forced to investigate this irregularity and others. [URL]https://humanevents.com/2021/06/17/georgia-audit-documents-reveal-significant-election-irregularities/[/URL].

The democrat / establishment election fraud is unravelling.[/QUOTE]There is only one person responsible for this. Trump.

Why? Simple. "Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible." Trump was president when it happened so he's responsible.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2570049]"Vladimir Putin lavished praise on his USA Counterpart Joe Biden on Thursday, a day after the two leaders held a summit, saying Biden was incorrectly portrayed in the Russian media as being unfocused and vague. " [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-says-biden-understood-130644207.html[/URL].

Proof that kkkonservatives are easily duped.[/QUOTE]Every country praised Biden. They are not fools like Biden. Of course Putin and the other countries praise a weak president and a weak USA. Biden is doing more for Russia and Germany economy than USA economy. Biden was a disaster at G7 summit. He even pre-picks the liberal reporters who can ask him questions and then he still throws a fit with a reporter. Disaster for Biden. Embarrassing for USA.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2570175]The orange fruitcake's economy was built on the deficit. In other words, trump's economy was FAKE NEWS.

[URL]https://www.crfb.org/blogs/deficit-has-never-been-high-when-economy-was-strong[/URL][/QUOTE]I suppose the lowest unemployment under Trump ever for blacks, Hispanics and women is fake news too. More people were working in USA than ever before. You have no clue.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2570049]"Vladimir Putin lavished praise on his USA Counterpart Joe Biden on Thursday, a day after the two leaders held a summit, saying Biden was incorrectly portrayed in the Russian media as being unfocused and vague. " [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-says-biden-understood-130644207.html[/URL].

Proof that kkkonservatives are easily duped.[/QUOTE]HAHAHA! You think the fact Putin is praising Biden is good for Biden? Putin is sharp as a tack and wants a "president" stumbling and mumbling round the White House who doesn't know where he is or what he's doing. Biden has been fantastic for Putin, signing off on the Russia-Germany pipeline that Trump was blocking and crippling America's own energy production by cancelling the Keystone pipeline. Biden is a return to the predictable establishment norms, which Putin (and China) can and will run rings round.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570210]"Operation Warp Speed" was merely the brand name Trump gave the effort to invent a vaccine for his Pandemic well after vaccine manufacturers defied his long, loud and persistent dismissal of a need for it and started inventing one anyway.[/QUOTE]Utter crap. Trump was in charge, and used his immense dynamism and energy to get it done. If Biden had been there, with his handlers calling a lid every day at 9 am for him to wander around the basement in soft shoes mumbling to himself, eating ice cream and taking naps, nothing would have ever happened.

Even the fake news admit as much, so it must be true: [URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-leans-heavily-on-trumps-warp-speed-but-wont-give-credit/ar-BB1etOQT[/URL] - "Biden insists he inherited 'a mess,' but the Trump vaccine rollout is a playbook he's mostly stuck with".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570210]"Operation Warp Speed" was merely the brand name Trump gave the effort to invent a vaccine for his Pandemic well after vaccine manufacturers defied his long, loud and persistent dismissal of a need for it and started inventing one anyway.

At most, Trump finally gave up trying to convince everyone on Earth, including vaccine manufacturers, that the viral threat was a "HOAX!, only 1 case out of China, 15 here and that will be near zero soon, we've got this under control, it will disappear like in a dream, it will disappear WITHOUT A VACCINE!, there will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020)", etc, etc, etc and applied some too little too late tax dollars (that he proudly admits he doesn't even pay) to the effort.

Meanwhile, he and Melania got vaccinated in near secrecy back in January. Which isn't the way anyone who had anything to do with championing or promoting the invention of a vaccine and the administering of one would do it. Obviously, among other "tells" he gave away in that move, even Trump knows he had fuck all nothing to do with that positive outcome.[/QUOTE]All I hear is "Orange man bad!

Seriously, you think if Biden, or anyone else had been in office, there would have been no covid outbreak? If we get a massive hurricane this fall, and people die, is it Bidens fault?

It's a highly contagious virus, short of locking everyone in the USA in separate cages for a month, there is really no way the spread could have been prevented.

All the lockdowns, cloth masks, etc were safety theater. So politicians can say "look! We're doing something to stop covid! Re-elect me please!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570123]Following on from the ongoing Arizona election audit, it has now been revealed that election dropboxes in Fulton County, Georgia (which contains the democrat rotten borough of Atlanta) have no chain of custody. Even Georgia Secretary of State Raffensberger, who is a RINO cuckservative, has been forced to investigate this irregularity and others. [URL]https://humanevents.com/2021/06/17/georgia-audit-documents-reveal-significant-election-irregularities/[/URL].

The democrat / establishment election fraud is unravelling.[/QUOTE]Inject or drink bleaching liquid against Covid19 is destroying the brain of this QAnon guyis.

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2570230]All I hear is "Orange man bad!

Seriously, you think if Biden, or anyone else had been in office, there would have been no covid outbreak? If we get a massive hurricane this fall, and people die, is it Bidens fault?

It's a highly contagious virus, short of locking everyone in the USA in separate cages for a month, there is really no way the spread could have been prevented.

All the lockdowns, cloth masks, etc were safety theater. So politicians can say "look! We're doing something to stop covid! Re-elect me please![/QUOTE]Once again we have a republikkkan asking the wrong question. The orange fruitcake "fiddled while Rome burned". Dr. Deborah Birx said that nobody could have stopped the first 100 K deaths but that Donnie's dithering cost the rest. This was before trump's on-the-records, recorded conversations proved that he had been lying to the American people all the while.

Since you believe nothing could have been done, please explain the low deaths per capita in places like Thailand.

[QUOTE=Canada;2570221]I suppose the lowest unemployment under Trump ever for blacks, Hispanics and women is fake news too. More people were working in USA than ever before. You have no clue.[/QUOTE]I talk about the deficit and you bring up something completely different. It is you that is clueless.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2570264]Inject or drink bleaching liquid against Covid19 is destroying the brain of this QAnon guyis.[/QUOTE]LOL. Is that really the best you can do? All the name calling? Yeesh. What would you guys do without that?

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2570230]All I hear is "Orange man bad!

Seriously, you think if Biden, or anyone else had been in office, there would have been no covid outbreak? If we get a massive hurricane this fall, and people die, is it Bidens fault?
...[/QUOTE]If Biden is told about a gale force wind in Florida that he COULD turn into a hurricane that would kill hundreds of thousands of people and nearly destroy the U.S. economy for years to come if only he lied about its existence and, worse, drew a black marker arrow on a map showing it heading out to sea when he knew it wasn't and mocked known efforts to mitigate death and damage from it, then, yeah, Biden would and should be blamed for those deaths.

Oh, and let's have Biden also defunding and hobbling the "Hurricane Prevention and Response" systems a year prior to the event for no good reason economic or otherwise just to make this hypothetical Biden/Trump national security response analogy a bit more comparable to what Trump did.

Of course, a POTUS can't effect the growth, power and direction of a natural event like a gale force wind or a hurricane due to his disastrous economic decisions, his cowardice and lies about it the way one can and Trump did with the development of this virus from endemic to pandemic.

Thank god. If he could, Trump would have figured out a way to do that with every gale force wind that came along from January 2017 to January 2021.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570225]Utter crap. Trump was in charge, and used his immense dynamism and energy to get it done. If Biden had been there, with his handlers calling a lid every day at 9 am for him to wander around the basement in soft shoes mumbling to himself, eating ice cream and taking naps, nothing would have ever happened.

Even the fake news admit as much, so it must be true: [URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-leans-heavily-on-trumps-warp-speed-but-wont-give-credit/ar-BB1etOQT[/URL] - "Biden insists he inherited 'a mess,' but the Trump vaccine rollout is a playbook he's mostly stuck with".[/QUOTE]"The new administration though has accelerated the rollout with an eye on inequities in the nation's health care system."

I pay federal taxes and I imagine so do you if you are a USA citizen. Which means you and I had more to do with getting as many Americans successfully vaccinated as there are today than Donald Trump.

Trump's most significant contribution to the development and administration of the vaccines is his working mightily to create a worldwide need for them when such an outcome could have been avoided without his 2018 defunding decision, his early consistent lies and mockery about the problem.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570223]HAHAHA! You think the fact Putin is praising Biden is good for Biden? Putin is sharp as a tack and wants a "president" stumbling and mumbling round the White House who doesn't know where he is or what he's doing. Biden has been fantastic for Putin, signing off on the Russia-Germany pipeline that Trump was blocking and crippling America's own energy production by cancelling the Keystone pipeline. Biden is a return to the predictable establishment norms, which Putin (and China) can and will run rings round.[/QUOTE][URL]https://youtu.be/qQq5xNsVHvg[/URL]

LOL. Priceless.

An "utter, embarrassing train wreck" indeed.

[QUOTE=Canada;2570221]I suppose the lowest unemployment under Trump ever for blacks, Hispanics and women is fake news too. More people were working in USA than ever before. You have no clue.[/QUOTE]The unemployment rate for every demographic had been declining steadily and dramatically since mid 2009, soon after the passage of the American Recovery and Re-investment Act was passed with virtually no Republican votes. I have posted the line charts for it here before. But any Bureau of Labor Statistics search will turn up the necessary historical charts and graphs.

The fact that it continued its steady and dramatic downward trajectory for several months after January 2017 while Trump played golf is not surprising. But it also had nothing to do with how well Trump played golf or, more likely, how well he cheated on his score card.

The other far more important factor in the blacks, hispanics and women unemployment rate decline and increased entry into the labor force than anything Trump or other Repubs would have a thing to do with was there had been a big movement in mostly Dem states and cities to begin incrementally raise the minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs being more likely than most filled by blacks, hispanics and women, those demographics were naturally enticed into taking jobs that would finally actually pay enough to survive.

You know, the raises in the minimum wage that Trump and his fellow Repubs railed against then as now.

LOL. But they had no problem falsely taking credit for the lower unemployment rates, increases in the labor force and higher wages for those demographics that come about when you raise the minimum wage as long as the Dems were the ones making it happen. LOL. Typical Repub behavior.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570551]The unemployment rate for every demographic had been declining steadily and dramatically since mid 2009, soon after the passage of the American Recovery and Re-investment Act was passed with virtually no Republican votes. I have posted the line charts for it here before. But any Bureau of Labor Statistics search will turn up the necessary historical charts and graphs.

The fact that it continued its steady and dramatic downward trajectory for several months after January 2017 while Trump played golf is not surprising. But it also had nothing to do with how well Trump played golf or, more likely, how well he cheated on his score card.

The other far more important factor in the blacks, hispanics and women unemployment rate decline and increased entry into the labor force than anything Trump or other Repubs would have a thing to do with was there had been a big movement in mostly Dem states and cities to begin incrementally raise the minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs being more likely than most filled by blacks, hispanics and women, those demographics were naturally enticed into taking jobs that would finally actually pay enough to survive..[/QUOTE]That's a lot of hampster-wheeling to explain why we had record unemployment numbers under President Trump, yet it was somehow magically because of democrats, LOL.

It's very simple. Reduced government regulations are good for capitalism.

For example, in the USA, prostitution in almost all areas of the country is illegal (Highly regulated). These regulations lead to a shortage of ladies willing to offer services. Shortage of pussy=High prices.

In Mexico, prostitution is legal in most places, these lack of regulations leads to an abundance of ladies willing to offer services. Abundance of pussy=Lower prices.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570535][URL]https://youtu.be/qQq5xNsVHvg[/URL]

LOL. Priceless.

An "utter, embarrassing train wreck" indeed.[/QUOTE]

Look into Hannity's eyes and you'll find Putin's soul.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570521]If Biden is told about a gale force wind in Florida that he COULD turn into a hurricane that would kill hundreds of thousands of people and nearly destroy the U.S. economy for years to come if only he lied about its existence and, worse, drew a black marker arrow on a map showing it heading out to sea when he knew it wasn't and mocked known efforts to mitigate death and damage from it, then, yeah, Biden would and should be blamed for those deaths.

Oh, and let's have Biden also defunding and hobbling the "Hurricane Prevention and Response" systems a year prior to the event for no good reason economic or otherwise just to make this hypothetical Biden/Trump national security response analogy a bit more comparable to what Trump did.

Of course, a POTUS can't effect the growth, power and direction of a natural event like a gale force wind or a hurricane due to his disastrous economic decisions, his cowardice and lies about it the way one can and Trump did with the development of this virus from endemic to pandemic.

Thank god. If he could, Trump would have figured out a way to do that with every gale force wind that came along from January 2017 to January 2021.[/QUOTE]Perfect analogy.

If the trump 4-year fiasco has taught us anything, it is that you can lead idiots to wisdom but you can't make them think.

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2570572]That's a lot of hampster-wheeling to explain why we had record unemployment numbers under President Trump, yet it was somehow magically because of democrats, LOL.

It's very simple. Reduced government regulations are good for capitalism.

For example, in the USA, prostitution in almost all areas of the country is illegal (Highly regulated). These regulations lead to a shortage of ladies willing to offer services. Shortage of pussy=High prices.

In Mexico, prostitution is legal in most places, these lack of regulations leads to an abundance of ladies willing to offer services. Abundance of pussy=Lower prices.[/QUOTE]And yet, trump left office with fewer people employed than when he took office.

Republikkkans will all say "Bbbbbbut COVID". They will conveniently forget that trump LIED about it for a year and personally caused the deaths of more Americans in 1 year than all of the US combat deaths in WWII.

Please explain WHY Thailand's Death rate per capita is 23/ million vs. The US death rate of 1853/ million and why Thailand's unemployment rate during COVID didn't nearly match the USA's. [URL]https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.TOTL.ZS?locations=TH-US[/URL] [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?[/URL] COVID is COVID, right?

The only plausible explanation is that trump screwed the pooch but kkkonservative will do and say anything to try to BS the rest of us.

"You can lead idiots to wisdom but you can't make them think" perfectly describes the QOP!

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2570230]All I hear is "Orange man bad!

Seriously, you think if Biden, or anyone else had been in office, there would have been no covid outbreak? If we get a massive hurricane this fall, and people die, is it Bidens fault?

It's a highly contagious virus, short of locking everyone in the USA in separate cages for a month, there is really no way the spread could have been prevented.

All the lockdowns, cloth masks, etc were safety theater. So politicians can say "look! We're doing something to stop covid! Re-elect me please![/QUOTE]Of course, these clowns have whipped themselves into such an unhinged frenzy, some of them actually believe that if Trump hadn't been in the White House, the virus would never have entered America. Never mind that Trump banned flights from China in January 2020, while Sleepy Joe and Botox Nancy criticized him for "xenophobia" and said the virus wasn't serious (Pelosi famously went round hugging people in Chinatown at the end of February 2020).

They have no answer to facts like this, and the fact that Biden boosted Putin while crippling America by okaying the Russia-Germany pipeline while cancelling the Keystone pipeline. They simply have a Pavlovian reaction, conditioned by fake news, to oppose anything Trump does or says. He could quite literally say that the sky is blue and they would shriek that it isn't. There is a name for this well-known condition: Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2570690]And yet, trump left office with fewer people employed than when he took office.

Republikkkans will all say "Bbbbbbut COVID". They will conveniently forget that trump LIED about it for a year and personally caused the deaths of more Americans in 1 year than all of the US combat deaths in WWII.

Please explain WHY Thailand's Death rate per capita is 23/ million vs. The US death rate of 1853/ million and why Thailand's unemployment rate during COVID didn't nearly match the USA's. [URL]https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.TOTL.ZS?locations=TH-US[/URL] [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?[/URL] COVID is COVID, right?

The only plausible explanation is that trump screwed the pooch but kkkonservative will do and say anything to try to BS the rest of us.

"You can lead idiots to wisdom but you can't make them think" perfectly describes the QOP![/QUOTE]Well first of all, covid knows no politics. It effects various ethnicities and geographical locations differently. The Spanish flu for instance, hit America, Europe, India really hard, but not Asia. And ethnic groups within America were disproportionately affected, especially those of Native American descent.

If you insist on being political though, it probably didn't help the death count when blue state governors such as Whitmer and Cuomo ordered nursing homes to accept covid 19 patients. It is a fact that if you lived in a blue state during the pandemic you were 2. 9 times more likely to die of covid 19. If you were to subtract all of the blue state deaths from the national death count, the USA would have done quite well compared to the rest of the world. Too bad the democrat led states had to drag us down.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570530]Trump's most significant contribution to the development and administration of the vaccines is his working mightily to create a worldwide need for them[/QUOTE]So Trump is responsible for the virus in the entire world now, not just America? LOL. Never mind the Chicoms eh? Or Pelosi going round Chinatown hugging people and accusing Trump of "xenophobia" a month after he banned flights from China. Congratulations, you have reached hitherto unseen levels of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2570690]The US death rate of 1853/ million[/QUOTE]Is normal for a Western country: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/[/URL].

Brazil, Italy, Belgium, Croatia, Poland, Argentina and the UK, among others, are all higher (though interestingly Sweden, which had no lockdown, is slightly lower).

Of course there is no way to accurately measure the cases per millions as so many people had the disease without knowing or reporting it. But most American and European countries are around the same level: the US is in no way an outlier (though it may have been an upper outlier if Trump had not banned flights from China in January 2020, which Biden and Pelosi opposed at the time).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570535]LOL. Priceless.[/QUOTE]Aaaaand. Still no comment on Biden's handlers boosting Russia by okaying their pipeline while crippling America by cancelling ours.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570727]Of course, these clowns have whipped themselves into such an unhinged frenzy, some of them actually believe that if Trump hadn't been in the White House, the virus would never have entered America. Never mind that Trump banned flights from China in January 2020, while Sleepy Joe and Botox Nancy criticized him for "xenophobia" and said the virus wasn't serious (Pelosi famously went round hugging people in Chinatown at the end of February 2020).

They have no answer to facts like this, and the fact that Biden boosted Putin while crippling America by okaying the Russia-Germany pipeline while cancelling the Keystone pipeline. They simply have a Pavlovian reaction, conditioned by fake news, to oppose anything Trump does or says. He could quite literally say that the sky is blue and they would shriek that it isn't. There is a name for this well-known condition: Trump Derangement Syndrome.[/QUOTE]"If Trump hadn't been in the White House, the virus would never have entered America." That's BS and you know it.

You fascists keep repeating "the travel ban was good" while, at the same time, reminding everybody that COVID was in the US as early as November. So, how can closing the barn doors be good if all of the horses have already escaped? That's all you fascists have, the travel ban and operation warp speed. You conveniently forget that you refused to count as lies all of trump's "it is one case", 'it will magically disappear", etc.

Gee, nobody has ever heard the term "Trump Derangement Syndrome" before. Did you just make that up? 'Cause that's brilliant. It must have come from someone suffering from "Trump Cult Syndrome."

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570731]So Trump is responsible for the virus in the entire world now, not just America? LOL. Never mind the Chicoms eh? Or Pelosi going round Chinatown hugging people and accusing Trump of "xenophobia" a month after he banned flights from China. Congratulations, you have reached hitherto unseen levels of Trump Derangement Syndrome.[/QUOTE]I think I have been very clear that I would not hold Trump responsible for the virus, just his Pandemic.

I have no idea how the virus was born and neither does anyone else. The most common way is in nature and so that is why Fauci and most scientists familiar with the subject said that was the most likely source of origin before it spread in the Wuhan wet market. But, as Fauci has said many times, we should study the origins so we can better guard against any possible mistakes that were made along the way.

But if you feel better imagining it was created in a lab funded by the Trump administration, intentionally weaponized and released by the people Trump praised and thanked for their "transparency" and contribution to mythically ridding us of it in early 2020, that it popped out of a Jon Stewart comedy bit or whatever, have at it.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570743]Aaaaand. Still no comment on Biden's handlers boosting Russia by okaying their pipeline while crippling America by cancelling ours.[/QUOTE]First you'll need to explain and link your proof that any of that happened; specifically that canceling the Keystone Pipeline cripples America and that Biden has the power to ok or deny pipelines in Germany and/or Russia.

That's pretty damn universally powerful for a supposedly "senile old man" I would say.

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2570730]Well first of all, covid knows no politics. It effects various ethnicities and geographical locations differently. The Spanish flu for instance, hit America, Europe, India really hard, but not Asia. And ethnic groups within America were disproportionately affected, especially those of Native American descent.

If you insist on being political though, it probably didn't help the death count when blue state governors such as Whitmer and Cuomo ordered nursing homes to accept covid 19 patients. It is a fact that if you lived in a blue state during the pandemic you were 2. 9 times more likely to die of covid 19. If you were to subtract all of the blue state deaths from the national death count, the USA would have done quite well compared to the rest of the world. Too bad the democrat led states had to drag us down.[/QUOTE]Of course, if we subtract the densely populated USA cities this virus loved and needed to move rapidly from human to human, most of which could be characterized as Blue cities in Blue states, we could not only proudly claim very low Covid-19 cases and deaths but also very low national economic strength and influence, very low national security preparedness centers, very low standards of living, very low tax revenue, very low higher education rates, etc.

I suppose it could be argued we would also have very low crime rates, too, but only for a little while until any other country with at least the military strength of Spain decides to invade, occupy and take whatever they want with very little resistance.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570858]Of course, if we eliminated the densely populated USA cities this virus loved and needed to move rapidly from human to human, most of which could be characterized as Blue cities in Blue states, we could not only proudly claim very low Covid-19 cases and deaths but also very low national economic strength and influence, very low national security preparedness centers, very low standards of living, very low tax revenue, very low higher education rates, etc.[/QUOTE]But all those blue cities and states were locking down and forcing mandates full on gestapo chi-com style. Shouldn't there have been a much lower case and death rate compared to red states like Florida, who let their peasants, err, I mean citizens live their life a way in which they choose?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570858]Of course, if we subtract the densely populated USA cities this virus loved and needed to move rapidly from human to human, most of which could be characterized as Blue cities in Blue states, we could not only proudly claim very low Covid-19 cases and deaths but also very low national economic strength and influence, very low national security preparedness centers, very low standards of living, very low tax revenue, very low higher education rates, etc.

I suppose it could be argued we would also have very low crime rates, too, but only for a little while until any other country with at least the military strength of Spain decides to invade, occupy and take whatever they want with very little resistance.[/QUOTE]That was very well stated. The truth is naturally a lot more intricate than the race baiting, "Democratic cities" or "Blue states" propaganda aimed at saving Trump's presidency. But simplistic and misleading arguments have been part of the playbook of Trumpism for a long time, aimed at leading along the gullible and bigoted with tunes they find pleasing. I'll add that New York after a very rough start smashed the curve from May through October of 2020. As expected they had a winter surge but still kept deaths relatively low. Scroll down and check the graphs. Wow. You'll never hear about this though in the Fox evening propaganda hours.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/[/URL]

And how did NY do it? The answer is obvious, with sound policies and compliance with the same, masks, social distancing, etc. Just common sense stuff, the same stuff that worked many places in Asia and in Scandinavia, excepting Sweden. And I'll end with this, there was a fraudulent anti-mask study circulating around wingnut media that was full of misquotes while lying about their association with Stanford University. It was pulled from the medical journal it found publication in while Stanford has publicly disassociated themselves. It's time to move on from the quackery, and we should do this as a nation. And by the way our buddy Elvis was recently pushing this same fake study in the Colombia section.

[URL]https://www.stanforddaily.com/2021/05/02/anti-mask-article-falsely-claiming-stanford-affiliation-is-retracted-by-journal/[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/StanfordMed/status/1384957123864444930[/URL]

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2570572]That's a lot of hampster-wheeling to explain why we had record unemployment numbers under President Trump, yet it was somehow magically because of democrats, LOL.

It's very simple. Reduced government regulations are good for capitalism.

For example, in the USA, prostitution in almost all areas of the country is illegal (Highly regulated). These regulations lead to a shortage of ladies willing to offer services. Shortage of pussy=High prices.

In Mexico, prostitution is legal in most places, these lack of regulations leads to an abundance of ladies willing to offer services. Abundance of pussy=Lower prices.[/QUOTE]Government regulations are like tax policies; the overall positive or negative results depend very much on which and where regulations (as in taxes) are reduced or increased.

To whatever extent government regulations influence the unemployment rate, it looks like the only presidents since 1972 (as far back as I went in order to still see the dates on the chart even while zooming) who managed to significantly reduce the unemployment rate without skyrocketing it to unsustainable economy-damage levels first or eventually were (D)Carter, (D)Clinton and (D)Obama.

See the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics chart below.

So I guess that means they win the awards for best handling of government regulations. And if it was because they cut regulations in the right way and places then devotees of reduced government regulations now know which Party to vote for and which Party to avoid like the plague.

Yes, I do wish they had put their expertise to use on that Abundance of Pussy = Lower Prices thing. But then we'd have to deal with the whole "Does Lower Prices = Better Pussy?" debate.

Btw, that huge, long, historic, steady decline in the unemployment rate you see in the chart (for virtually every demographic) that began in mid 2009, the trajectory of which extended firmly into the beginning of (R)Trump's so-called presidency while he played golf, was triggered by the passage of the (D)Obama-(D)Biden, (D)Pelosi, (D)Reid American Recovery and Re-investment Act of February 2009 without any Repub support and votes. Repubs were still running for office on the lie that it and (D)Obama made the (R)GW Bush economic disaster "worse" well into the 2012, 2014 and 2016 election campaigns.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2570884]Government regulations are like tax policies; the overall positive or negative results depend very much on which and where regulations (as in taxes) are reduced or increased.

To whatever extent government regulations influence the unemployment rate, it looks like the only presidents since 1972 (as far back as I went in order to still see the dates on the chart even while zooming) who managed to significantly reduce the unemployment rate without skyrocketing it to unsustainable economy-damage levels first or eventually were (D)Carter, (D)Clinton and (D)Obama.

See the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics chart below.

So I guess that means they win the awards for best handling of government regulations. And if it was because they cut regulations in the right way and places then devotees of reduced government regulations now know which Party to vote for and which Party to avoid like the plague.

Yes, I do wish they had put their expertise to use on that Abundance of Pussy = Lower Prices thing. But then we'd have to deal with the whole "Does Lower Prices = Better Pussy?" debate.

Btw, that huge, long, historic, steady decline in the unemployment rate you see in the chart (for virtually every demographic) that began in mid 2009, the trajectory of which extended firmly into the beginning of (R)Trump's so-called presidency while he played golf, was triggered by the passage of the (D)Obama-(D)Biden, (D)Pelosi, (D)Reid American Recovery and Re-investment Act of February 2009 without any Repub support and votes. Repubs were still running for office on the lie that it and (D)Obama made the (R)GW Bush economic disaster "worse" well into the 2012, 2014 and 2016 election campaigns.[/QUOTE]The concern should be for inflation, at least for anyone here. What's the Biden regime doing about that, besides running the printing presses and creating more dollars.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2570940]The concern should be for inflation, at least for anyone here. What's the Biden regime doing about that, besides running the printing presses and creating more dollars.[/QUOTE]Seriously? You think that is all on Biden? You must have missed the trillions of tax give-aways to corporations and the richest Americans which came out of the prior administration.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2570940]The concern should be for inflation, at least for anyone here. What's the Biden regime doing about that, besides running the printing presses and creating more dollars.[/QUOTE]A worldwide pandemic curtailed production of consumer goods, mining of raw materials, etc in case you forgot. Of course a president could force these businesses to stay open an bleed money, but that would be socialist, wouldn't it?

With restrictions easing, guess what? Lots of demand and limited supply. What does that equal? Inflation.

Or do you suggest that Biden implement price controls that you would call socialist.

Republikkkants are so predictable.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570738]Is normal for a Western country: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/[/URL].

Brazil, Italy, Belgium, Croatia, Poland, Argentina and the UK, among others, are all higher (though interestingly Sweden, which had no lockdown, is slightly lower).

Of course there is no way to accurately measure the cases per millions as so many people had the disease without knowing or reporting it. But most American and European countries are around the same level: the US is in no way an outlier (though it may have been an upper outlier if Trump had not banned flights from China in January 2020, which Biden and Pelosi opposed at the time).[/QUOTE]I see you failed to answer my original question regarding Thailand. Why is it that fascists can't answer a simple question?

And once again you bring up the orange fruitcake's 'close the barn door after the horses have escaped' travel ban. You can lead a fascist to wisdom but you can't make him think.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2570996]Seriously? You think that is all on Biden? You must have missed the trillions of tax give-aways to corporations and the richest Americans which came out of the prior administration.[/QUOTE]You must have missed the prior administration is over -- unless you're still counting on the recount. What matters is what's happening now, see? It's understandable that if you're unemployed, your concern would be with finding a job. As for the increasingly likely scenario of inflation and decline of our purchasing power and foreign exchange rate, what's the Biden regime going to do about it.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2570103]It was a sustained assault upon a US consulate. Which is American territory. Which killed a US ambassador. The security of the ambassador was the responsibility of the Secretary of State, Crooked Hillary Clinton, and the President, Barack Hussein Okenya. They failed and betrayed their country, neither for the first nor the last time.[/QUOTE]The us govt commandeered. And just used and called a consular office--it wasn't some big built up US property. They were there for a few days.

The locals didn't like that and kicked the Americans out. It so happened he ambassador was there. Had nothing to do with Hillary. Wasn't. A big conspiracy. Hillary was exonerated by the republicans in both houses of congress. Why don't you believe in and support your government? Hard to claim the manle of patriotism if you don't believe in your govt of for and by the people. It wasn't Hillary's fault LOL.

You guys are so desperate for anything to gain legitimacy because you have no policy substance that actually helps anything to offer. You say Obama failed and betrayed the country when it was trump who sided with Putin over US intel agencies, fell in love with a dictator running north Korea, and lied to the American people about the virus and about 22,000 other things, even siding with Nazis and the KKK and an insurrection against our nation where trumptards like you cheered for killing the vice president of the USA. That's a betrayal of the country--your side did that. You have no right to try and talk about betraying the nation after January 6th.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2571052]A worldwide pandemic curtailed production of consumer goods, mining of raw materials, etc in case you forgot. Of course a president could force these businesses to stay open an bleed money, but that would be socialist, wouldn't it?

With restrictions easing, guess what? Lots of demand and limited supply. What does that equal? Inflation.

Or do you suggest that Biden implement price controls that you would call socialist.

Republikkkants are so predictable.[/QUOTE]Demand from who? From all these broke millions of Americans that needed stimulus checks (fresh from the dollar printing presses) just to survive? We'll define supply and demand in 2021 for you: the corporations demanded to be supplied with cash so they could remain whole and pay their management and investors. So the government printed money, doled it out to the plebes so they could make their Mastercard / Visa interest payments.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2571080]You must have missed the prior administration is over -- unless you're still counting on the recount. What matters is what's happening now, see? It's understandable that if you're unemployed, your concern would be with finding a job. As for the increasingly likely scenario of inflation and decline of our purchasing power and foreign exchange rate, what's the Biden regime going to do about it.[/QUOTE]I realize that fascists will call the following article 'fake news' but I guess fascusts don't understand that the pandemic and inflation are interrelated. [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-05-29/to-judge-inflation-think-of-the-pandemic-as-a-war[/URL].

[QUOTE=CrowExplorer;2570861]But all those blue cities and states were locking down and forcing mandates full on gestapo chi-com style. Shouldn't there have been a much lower case and death rate compared to red states like Florida, who let their peasants, err, I mean citizens live their life a way in which they choose?[/QUOTE][B]Heres Where COVID-19 Cases Are Rising and Falling[/B]
June 15, 2021.
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/here-are-the-states-where-covid-19-is-increasing-2[/URL]
[QUOTE]..For the week that ended Sunday, 20 states reported increases in COVID-19 cases, compared with three states the previous week.

Missouri had the highest increase with a 101 percent jump to 4,517 new cases.

The CDC reported that Florida had the most new cases in the past 7 days with 10,676. Thats about 3,000 less than the previous week.

Texas was second with 8,421 new cases this past week, about 200 fewer than the previous week.

Colorado was third with 4,137 cases. California was next with 3,967 new cases and Washington was fifth with 3,833.

The CDC reports that on a per capita basis, Wyoming leads with almost 80 cases per 100,000 residents over the past 7 days.

Colorado is second with 71 cases per 100,000 residents, followed by Missouri with 62 cases per 100,000 residents. Next is Utah with 59 cases per 100,000 residents and Arkansas with 52 cases.

There were 21 states that reported an increase this past week in COVID-19 deaths, compared with 11 states the previous week.

Florida recorded the most COVID-19 deaths over the past 7 days with 232.

Texas was second with 217 reported deaths. That was followed by Georgia with 172, Pennsylvania with 130, and Illinois with 118 deaths.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2570577]Look into Hannity's eyes and you'll find Putin's soul.[/QUOTE]Look into Biden eyes and you will see Putin's puppet.

[QUOTE=Canada;2571356]Look into Biden eyes and you will see Putin's puppet.[/QUOTE]Maybe you shouldn't be on this board in the first place. The following forum seems to be a better fit for you and your debating skills.

[URL]https://www.internetmatters.org/resources/social-media-networks-made-for-kids[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2570875]But simplistic and misleading arguments have been part of the playbook of Trumpism for a long time, aimed at leading along the gullible and bigoted with tunes they find pleasing. I'll add that New York after a very rough start smashed the curve from May through October of 2020. As expected they had a winter surge but still kept deaths relatively low. Scroll down and check the graphs. Wow. You'll never hear about this though in the Fox evening propaganda hours.[/QUOTE]New York has the second highest death rate in the USA and you are bragging about how they handled it?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2570875]And how did NY do it? The answer is obvious, with sound policies and compliance with the same, masks, social distancing, etc. Just common sense stuff, the same stuff that worked many places in Asia and in Scandinavia, excepting Sweden.[/QUOTE]Except it didn't work. [URL]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484[/URL].

The most restrictive nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID- 19 are mandatory stay- at- home and business closures. Given the consequences of these policies, it is important to assess their effects. We evaluate the effects on epidemic case growth of more restrictive NPIs (mrNPIs), above and beyond those of less- restrictive NPIs (lrNPIs). Methods: We first estimate COVID- 19 case growth in relation to any NPI imple-mentation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden and the United States. Using first- difference models with fixed effects, we isolate the effects of mrNPIs by subtracting the combined effects of lrNPIs and epidemic dynamics from all NPIs. We use case growth in Sweden and South Korea, 2 countries that did not implement mandatory stay- at- home and business closures as comparison countries for the other 8 countries.

Conclusion: While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions.

End of quote.

Maybe you can quote the wrong study again, douche!

You know all that name calling and stupidity you launched at Trump about what he could or should have done differently?

Truth is it didn't fucking matter. A virus does not care who is in political office.

And while you idiots are still fingering pointing at Trump, one of the people you elevated to deity status, Anthony Fauci, looks like one of the three "scientists" most responsible for the creation of this novel corona virus in the first place.

"There is no evidence in leaked from the lab" you bellow while the circumstantial evidence, a mountain of evidence, shows no other theory that is even in the ball park of the lab leak theory. Hell, even Jon Stewart went off on what is so obvious.

A novel respiratory corona virus epidemic starts up right next to a lab named novel respiratory corona virus? There is no proof it leaked from the lab?

No, anyone who says that is racist conspiracy theorist who hates Asians.

There is a point and time to say another person is just fucking crazy, and that time is now for you and all the other Democratic douches. You literally are too stupid to argue with.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2571163]I realize that fascists will call the following article 'fake news' but I guess fascusts don't understand that the pandemic and inflation are interrelated. [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-05-29/to-judge-inflation-think-of-the-pandemic-as-a-war[/URL].[/QUOTE]Irrelevant news. No bid covid contracts during your Kushner regime on top of the preceding years of quantatative easing has put too many dollars in play. Everyone of a certain age remembers the 70's economy, and double digit interest rates (which we don't mind) thru the early 80's. While we're seeing $100 flights from New York to Bogota on United (which we appreciate), the primary concern as it should be is erosion of purchasing power in our annuities and funds, and foreign exchange rates. Seeing little difference between your politicians, just being able to outlive the collapse of the dollar relative to costs in our favored fun spots is all that really matters, in the context of ISG.

While calling people names tells more about you than them, please refrain from insulting people for having different political views.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2571478]While calling people names tells more about you than them, please refrain from insulting people for having different political views.[/QUOTE]That should go double for other BMs that peddle in such infantile and juvenile name calling, of their fellow BMs. As if that somehow wins the argument. Who know who you are...

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2571478]While calling people names tells more about you than them, please refrain from insulting people for having different political views.[/QUOTE]Yeah, someone needs to police these name-callers. Calling someone a 'douche', tsk, tsk. That's almost as bad as calling someone an anti-semite, as also tells more about you than them.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2571478]While calling people names tells more about you than them, please refrain from insulting people for having different political views.[/QUOTE]It is amazing how you douches call for civility after Paulie is caught lying, is praising New York's horrible track record with response to the virus, and saying Trump is responsible for thousands of deaths. And that you douches had the cure for the virus all along and Trump did not listen.

Is Trumpist a term of endearment?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2569715]I adore Jon Stewart. I absolutely do, and it saddens me when trumpists use him to advance their brainless and wicked talking points.
[/QUOTE]And here is another:

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2568660]Every sane person knows it was a mistake. After a detailed and thorough investigation by the USA And Israeli governments it was established beyond any doubt, even unreasonable, that USS Libery was mistaken for an Egyptian ship.

Only a complete moron and / or rabid anti-Semite can spread the idiotic idea that Israel (during the war, mind you) would've [B]knowingly[/B] attacked a ship of their only true ally in the whole wide world. And then, mind you, pay multimillion dollar compensation and damages. Yeah, totally plausible, why the fuck not.

This is on the same level as denying Holocaust. You must be genuinely sick to believe such nonsense or really, really sick spreading the lies while not believing in it.[/QUOTE]I do not even know about the details of this issue but anyone who disagrees with you is a sick, insane, anti-Semitic Holocaust denying moron. I thought you Democrats were supposed to be caring.

But more importantly, who made you referee, Douche?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2571066]I see you failed to answer my original question regarding Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thailand is as far away from the USA in every regard as it is possible to be. The correct comparison is with other Western and American states, which shows the US has a similar rate to most (and lower than many).

And why haven't you addressed the point about Biden / Pelosi wanting to keep flights coming in from China long after Trump banned them? Why are you communists so stupid?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2571401]New York has the second highest death rate in the USA and you are bragging about how they handled it?

Except it didn't work. [URL]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484[/URL].

The most restrictive nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID- 19 are mandatory stay- at- home and business closures. Given the consequences of these policies, it is important to assess their effects. We evaluate the effects on epidemic case growth of more restrictive NPIs (mrNPIs), above and beyond those of less- restrictive NPIs (lrNPIs). Methods: We first estimate COVID- 19 case growth in relation to any NPI imple-mentation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden and the United States. Using first- difference models with fixed effects, we isolate the effects of mrNPIs by subtracting the combined effects of lrNPIs and epidemic dynamics from all NPIs. We use case growth in Sweden and South Korea, 2 countries that did not implement mandatory stay- at- home and business closures as comparison countries for the other 8 countries.

Conclusion: While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions..[/QUOTE]An outstanding forensic demolition of the leftists' pisspoor arguments. All they can come back at you with is "teacher, teacher! He called me a douche!" Says it all.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2571104]north Korea...... January 6th.[/QUOTE]Trump got north Korea under control. They were testing nukes and firing missiles next to Japan for fun during Barack Hussein's regime. Under Trump, that all ended and he came closer than anyone to a peace deal. Ultimately it didn't happen because Kim wouldn't give up nukes, but the situation was calmed. Now it is flaring up again as Biden sleeps through it and his handlers don't know what to do.

And we now know January 6 was organised by the FBI. Dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators = feds. They knew exactly what was going to happen because their undercover agents organised it, and they arranged for the Capitol police to let the protesters in. It is the FBI who betrayed the country and the American people.

Imagine if our last president would have given a crap about the American people instead of his reelection? Imagine his first televised COVID address.

"My fellow Americans. By now you have heard the reports coming out of Europe and the rest of the world. My experts, public health officials and the CDC say that COVID is serious. And I do mean serious. We're going to shortly be in a Public Health war. A war the likes of which we haven't seen in 100 years.

Some of you are old enough to remember the privations, rationing etc of WWII. I will tell you now that this pandemic will be worse than that.

While we will ramp up research into a vaccine, remember that vaccines take time to develop and manufacture. Maybe 12 months. Maybe 18 months. Maybe 24 months. But in the meantime, we have only a few measures to keep us safe. One is mask wearing, one is physical distancing and one is sanitation. The other measure is a physical lockdown. The less we leave the house, the fewer chances the virus has to infect us.

So, initially, here's what we're going to do. First, stay home unless you are an essential employee. Officials are currently working on determining who is essential and who isn't. If you aren't essential and your last name begins with A thru L, you can leave the house M, W and F for groceries, medicine or doctor visits. If your last name begins with M thru Z, your days are T, Th and Sat.

If you are in violation of your days or not wearing a mask or not keeping your distance, you will be fined. $500 for the first offence, $5,000 for the second and $50,000 for the third. We aren't kidding. We will do whatever it takes to keep all Americans safe.

We firmly believe that this crisis won't last more than 3 months. But we don't know exactly.

As of now, few people will have an income except for essential workers. The government is suspending all rents and mortgage payments for until the end of the crisis but nobody will lose anything. If you had 13 years and 4 months left on your mortgage with a payment of $858 per month, at the end of this crisis you will still have 13 years and 4 months left on your mortgage and your payment will be the same.

Until a vaccine is developed and everybody is vaccinated, it is up to US to take care of US."

Imagine if the former guy actually gave a shit about all 330,000,000 Americans instead of the 1% and his cult followers. He'd still be president and 600,000 Americans wouldn't be dead.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2571544]Thailand is as far away from the USA in every regard as it is possible to be. The correct comparison is with other Western and American states, which shows the US has a similar rate to most (and lower than many).

And why haven't you addressed the point about Biden / Pelosi wanting to keep flights coming in from China long after Trump banned them? Why are you communists so stupid?[/QUOTE]Thailand doesn't fit your narrative so you ignore it Australia doesn't fit either so you ignore them. Trump screwed the pooch with the virus and everybody capable of rational thought knows it.

You (or Canada or some other fascist) pointed out that COVID was here in November, trump's flight ban closed the barn door after the horses escaped. It was as useless as teats on a bull.

You can lead a fascist to wisdom but you can't make him think.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2571547]Trump got north Korea under control. They were testing nukes and firing missiles next to Japan for fun during Barack Hussein's regime. Under Trump, that all ended and he came closer than anyone to a peace deal. Ultimately it didn't happen because Kim wouldn't give up nukes, but the situation was calmed. Now it is flaring up again as Biden sleeps through it and his handlers don't know what to do.

And we now know January 6 was organised by the FBI. Dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators = feds. They knew exactly what was going to happen because their undercover agents organised it, and they arranged for the Capitol police to let the protesters in. It is the FBI who betrayed the country and the American people.[/QUOTE]Stop watching tucker and learn what an "unindicted co-conspirator" really is. Getting a law degree from trump university was a waste of money.

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But more importantly, who made you referee, Douche?[/QUOTE]Sorry if refraining from calling other people douches is too much for you to bear. That's truly unfortunate.

I also see you've gone to a lot of pain trying to find some [I] Kompromat[/I] in a bunch of my posts. You shouldn't have. Calling other members names have never been my favorite pastime, so your valuable time would've been better spent elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2571512]Yeah, someone needs to police these name-callers. Calling someone a 'douche', tsk, tsk. [b]That's almost as bad[/b] as calling someone an anti-semite, as also tells more about you than them.[/QUOTE]No it's not. People who spread tired anti-Semitic clichés and long-debunked lies with the only goal to dehumanize Jews and portray the state of Israel as a racist, apartheid country are anti-Semites. What you do is a scientific definition of anti-Semitism. Look it up.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2571547]Trump got north Korea under control. They were testing nukes and firing missiles next to Japan for fun during Barack Hussein's regime. Under Trump, that all ended and he came closer than anyone to a peace deal. Ultimately it didn't happen because Kim wouldn't give up nukes, but the situation was calmed. Now it is flaring up again as Biden sleeps through it and his handlers don't know what to do.

And we now know January 6 was organised by the FBI. Dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators = feds. They knew exactly what was going to happen because their undercover agents organised it, and they arranged for the Capitol police to let the protesters in. It is the FBI who betrayed the country and the American people.[/QUOTE]As we now know, Trump's unrequited Love for Kim Jong Un achieved nothing for the USA or to stem Kim's nuke ambitions and instead made it worse and the violent Anti-American insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021 were obedient Trump supporters through and through with no evidence they were anything other than that:

[B]Kim Jong Uns Nuclear Weapons Got More Dangerous Under Trump[/B]
December 28, 2020
[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-28/four-ways-kim-jong-un-got-more-dangerous-under-trump-sanctions[/URL]

[B]Conservative Outlets Advance Unfounded Theory About Capitol Attack[/B]
June 18, 2021
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/conservative-outlets-advance-unfounded-theory-about-capitol-attack/[/URL]

It would be a serious challenge if not impossible to identify an aspect of American life, society, economy, national security or foreign policy that wasn't made worse by Trump and his cult following over the previous 4-5 years.

The threat from North Korea and the events of January 6, 2021 are most definitely not the rare exceptions.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2571559]Imagine if our last president would have given a crap about the American people instead of his reelection? Imagine his first televised COVID address.

"My fellow Americans. By now you have heard the reports coming out of Europe and the rest of the world. My experts, public health officials and the CDC say that COVID is serious. And I do mean serious. We're going to shortly be in a Public Health war. A war the likes of which we haven't seen in 100 years.

Some of you are old enough to remember the privations, rationing etc of WWII. I will tell you now that this pandemic will be worse than that.

While we will ramp up research into a vaccine, remember that vaccines take time to develop and manufacture. Maybe 12 months. Maybe 18 months. Maybe 24 months. But in the meantime, we have only a few measures to keep us safe. One is mask wearing, one is physical distancing and one is sanitation. The other measure is a physical lockdown. The less we leave the house, the fewer chances the virus has to infect us.

So, initially, here's what we're going to do. First, stay home unless you are an essential employee. Officials are currently working on determining who is essential and who isn't. If you aren't essential and your last name begins with A thru L, you can leave the house M, W and F for groceries, medicine or doctor visits. If your last name begins with M thru Z, your days are T, Th and Sat.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]Imagine South Dakota who did not shut any businesses down, did not have a mask mandate and just let their citizens do what was right. South Dakota economy boomed and their Covid cases were no different than the other 50 states. Imagine that.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2571387]Maybe you shouldn't be on this board in the first place. The following forum seems to be a better fit for you and your debating skills.

[URL]https://www.internetmatters.org/resources/social-media-networks-made-for-kids[/URL][/QUOTE]Obviously you didn't watch any of G7 Summit and the Biden disaster. Agreeing with Putin on everything showed that Bidennis Putin puppet.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2571563]Stop watching tucker and learn what an "unindicted co-conspirator" really is. Getting a law degree from trump university was a waste of money.[/QUOTE]Fox News Channel outdrew liberal networks CNN and MSNBC combined during primetime last week among both total viewers and the demographic coveted by advertisers.

It appears that everyone is watching Tucker and not CNN or MSNBC maybe you should get smarter and not be the minority watching fake news.

[QUOTE=Canada;2571889]Fox News Channel outdrew liberal networks CNN and MSNBC combined during primetime last week among both total viewers and the demographic coveted by advertisers.

It appears that everyone is watching Tucker and not CNN or MSNBC maybe you should get smarter and not be the minority watching fake news.[/QUOTE]Just like the orange fruitcake and his merry band of fascist supporters, you are more concerned about TV ratings than Fux "news" misleading their viewers about what constitutes an unindicted co-conspirator. You must have gotten your law degree from the same place as the other fascist.

Why? Because you can lead an idiot to wisdom but you can't make him think.

[QUOTE=Canada;2571887]Imagine South Dakota who did not shut any businesses down, did not have a mask mandate and just let their citizens do what was right. South Dakota economy boomed and their Covid cases were no different than the other 50 states. Imagine that.[/QUOTE]By all means let's pick a state with a population density of 1 person per square mile or something equally as sparse. The largest public gathering in the last 100 years were 3 people in a bar once.

[QUOTE=Canada;2571889]Fox News Channel outdrew liberal networks CNN and MSNBC combined during primetime last week among both total viewers and the demographic coveted by advertisers.

It appears that everyone is watching Tucker and not CNN or MSNBC maybe you should get smarter and not be the minority watching fake news.[/QUOTE]These dumbocrat fuckers are clueless, Canada. They have no brains, no values, no ability to understand their own rampant stupidity! DOLTS! It's amazing to me they can even function a keyboard! [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=Canada;2571889]Fox News Channel outdrew liberal networks CNN and MSNBC combined during primetime last week among both total viewers and the demographic coveted by advertisers.

It appears that everyone is watching Tucker and not CNN or MSNBC maybe you should get smarter and not be the minority watching fake news.[/QUOTE]If "everybody is watching Tucker", then he must be doing a terrific job of accurately reporting Biden's positive domestic and foreign policy achievements as President of the United States.

Gallup shows Biden's Job Approval rating increasing to 56%, contributing to making him the most approved POTUS on that count since Barack Obama. Not surprisingly, the job approval rating for the disastrous deadbeat failure so-called potus in between never hit as high as 50% in that poll, the first so-called potus in modern history to never do that. Again, not surprisingly.

And Tucker was getting pretty good ratings (for "cable news") then too, wasn't he?

Let's all hope FUX News Channel and Tucker keep up the good work they have apparently been doing for Dems, Biden, "libs", et al.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2571921]If "everybody is watching Tucker", then he must be doing a terrific job of accurately reporting Biden's positive domestic and foreign policy achievements as President of the United States.

Gallup shows Biden's Job Approval rating increasing to 56%, contributing to making him the most approved POTUS on that count since Barack Obama. Not surprisingly, the job approval rating for the disastrous deadbeat failure so-called potus in between never hit as high as 50% in that poll, the first so-called potus in modern history to never do that. Again, not surprisingly.

And Tucker was getting pretty good ratings (for "cable news") then too, wasn't he?

Let's all hope FUX News Channel and Tucker keep up the good work they have apparently been doing for Dems, Biden, "libs", et al.[/QUOTE]Fox is doing and good job and for the most part telling the truth. Biden approval is sinking fast. On border crises he has dropped to 29%. Fox is reporting the disaster of Biden presidency and more people are watching. CNN is still stuck on Trump. 2022 is fast approaching and we will see how Biden policies will be liked. Biden is a disaster both on America and foreign policy. G7 summit proved that.

"Bill would eliminate disparity between powder cocaine and crack offenses.

The administration's endorsement is likely to draw scrutiny from ethics experts, given how the proposed sentencing reform could benefit Hunter Biden, the president's crackhead son. Hunter detailed his "next-level" addiction to crack cocaine in his recently published memoir, Beautiful Things. The late Jim Morrison "was a fucking piker compared to my shenanigans," he boasted.

A mediocre author at best, Hunter is at his most eloquent when describing his love of smoking crack. "The sensation is one of utter, almost otherworldly well-being," he writes. "You are at once energetic, focused, and calm. Blood rushes to every extremity; your skin ripples with what feels like bumblebees. " That first hit of the pipe is like "being transported—at something like warp speed, as if riding bareback on a rocket ship—to some far-off, beautiful place."

Hunter is also a fan of powder cocaine. In Beautiful Things, he recounts using it in Monte Carlo during a Burisma board retreat. The controversial Ukrainian energy firm paid him up to $50,000 a month for the privilege of putting his name on corporate documents, enabling his addiction to crack, which will always be his drug of choice.

Given his family name and political affiliation, the First Son is unlikely to face any legal consequences for his "nonstop depravity. " But the new legislation would ensure, at least in theory, that Hunter would be treated more leniently if charged with a future crack cocaine-related offense.

President Biden's support for the legislation, called the "Eliminating a Quantifiably Unjust Application of the Law Act," is consistent with his campaign pledge to eliminate the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine. Yet it is Biden, as a USA Senator in 1986, who authored the legislation that created the disparity by imposing a minimum five-year sentence for trafficking in 500 grams of powder cocaine or just 5 grams of crack cocaine. . . "

The Washington Free Beacon.

[QUOTE]You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April.

President Trump
February, 10 2020[/QUOTE]So when Covid stubbornly refused to go away, Trump got furious that high infection rates would negatively affect his reelection. To keep the numbers down, he suggested, [B]repeatedly[/B], to send Americans returning from abroad to Guantanamo Bay.

[QUOTE]Nightmare Scenario: Inside the Trump Administrations Response to the Pandemic That Changed History, a publication from two Washington Post journalists, particulars a February 2020 meeting where Trump shocked aides together with the suggestion, an excerpt published in the newspaper Monday reveals.

As White House officials debated how to handle Americans infected with the virus abroad, Trump allegedly asked staff members assembled at the Situation Room if Americans could be quarantined about the Caribbean base where the U.S. additionally holds terrorism suspects in the infamous Guantanamo Bay prison.

Dont we have an island we own? The president reportedly asked, eager to keep the U.S.s numbers low, continuing: What about Guantanamo?

The excerpt says aides were stunned, but Trump nevertheless brought up the notion another time until it was quashed by staff members citing the poor optics of housing Americans close to the prison.

The book that relies on interviews with roughly 180 individuals, such as senior White House staffers and government health leaders is set to be printed June 29.

Representatives for Trump didn't immediately respond to Forbes request for comment. [/QUOTE][URL]https://worldsnewsnetwork.com/trump-reportedly-considered-sending-covid-infected-americans-to-gitmo/[/URL]

What a guy!

[QUOTE=Canada;2571887]Imagine South Dakota who did not shut any businesses down, did not have a mask mandate and just let their citizens do what was right. South Dakota economy boomed and their Covid cases were no different than the other 50 states. Imagine that.[/QUOTE]Canada does not seem aware that California ID the county's biggest economy (almost twice as big as Texas) and has the highest cumulative GDP growth for over a decade. Maybe the other states should start following California's lead.

This is the way to get rich.

Black Fem Dom.

Play jazz on that theme for the next 10. 20. 90 years.

There are always leitmotivs of colorism, and playing against those themes, on the global rising tide of demographics will pay dividends.

I wonder if Fux "News" reported on this? "Republican official in Ohio faces charge for voting twice in November election" [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/republican-official-ohio-faces-charge-212300738.html[/URL].

Let the stupid fascist comments begin.