Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2652167]I guess you missed the CDC director say last week what "conspiracy theorists" were saying for months. That the vaccine has a 0% effect on transmission.[/QUOTE]But of course you provide no source for this, probably because it isn't true.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cdc-vaccines-idUSL1N2PB2WH[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2652167]I guess you missed the CDC director say last week what "conspiracy theorists" were saying for months.

That the vaccine has a 0% effect on transmission.

But keep projecting and making justifications for the absolute failure of the vaccine.

Yea, it's the unvaxxed. Cultists are hilarious, looking from the outside in.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about this bit?

"what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission. So if you're going home to somebody who has not been vaccinated, somebody who can't get vaccinated. I would suggest you wear a mask in a public indoor setting," Walensky stated.

If you can find someone who can read, they can explain to you that she did not say "the vaccine has 0% effect on transmission. " She said something that has been known at least since June and suspected even earlier. She alluded to something which has been discussed here. If this site supported the use of crayons I would put it in terms you possibly could understand. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with using words and you've already proven such advanced communication techniques are beyond your capacity.

Let's start with another thing the CDC Director said in the same interview:

"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death. They prevent it," Walensky said.

Preventing severe illness and death is kind of important, at least to those of us who aren't already brain dead.

Back to whether or not vaccines reduce transmission. I use "reduce" because contrary to what you and the other brainless twats insist on, at no time was any vaccine promoted as being 100% effective and continuing to be 100% effective for life against any and all possible new variants. That's why they do studies, instead of just quote mining to find things to support their twisted, childish fantasies.

We knew in June that the original vaccines were less effective at preventing infection from the Delta variant. We know now the original vaccines are even less effective at preventing infection from the Omicron variant. However, we also know the vaccines are still very effective at preventing severe illness and death.

"If you're going home to someone who hasn't been vaccinated, who can't be vaccinated."

Home. A place where most people spend a great deal of time. If you share a home with someone, particularly someone who is unvaccinated, and one of you becomes infected with Covid, there's a strong possibility the infected person will pass the virus on to others living in the same home. This is because people who live together often spend extended periods of time in close proximity.

Let me explain it with something else you can't understand. Some casinos have an oversized, free slot machine. Everyone gets 1 free play on the machine. If you play once, you're chance of winning is very low. If you play it every 2 seconds for 8 hours per day, your chance of eventually winning approaches 100%.

If you are infected and you walk by someone on the street, your chance of infecting them is low. If you spend hours face to face with them your chance of transmission is much higher. If they are unvaccinated the chance is even higher.

The vaccines do 3 main things.

1. They reduce your risk of becoming infected.

2. They reduce the time you will be infectious if you become infected.

3. They reduce the risk of serious illness and death if you become infected.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2652077]
Thing with this lunatic Huacho is he is saying that if you are unvaccinated you are an asshole. The CDC estimates that half the country has had Covid and it is growing by the day. Huacho has sucked down so much libtard paranoia he thinks natural immunity does not count. I hope he does not believe me because I rather like the idea of him staying in a bunker.

To me, the pandemic is over, and it is time to start to rationally call out who got it right and who got it wrong and what we do next.[/QUOTE]Yes, he has drunk a good measure of Kool-aid, as have many people in the world, and a good few here. It is not surprising though. Many educated and middle class people have been brought up as political and cultural conservatists. They still beleive what government tells them. This is why conservative governments rule vast swathes of the western world. Bcos sheeple drink the Kool-aid and are unable to fact from fiction, narratives constructed to push political aims. And the way governments have acted during this pandemic. I am not sure if there is any way back from it TBH. The lies they have told people, the false science they have all clung on to, the authoritarian legislation they have passed thru (mandates, shutting down dissent, fines, one for them-one rule for us), the complete failure of their policies. Simply bcos the science was never on the side. It is hard for me to see a way back to normality from this. There is going to be so much hatred of authority from this (not from me, I always hated them. Hehe).

Some people criticise China, Russia, over authoritarian rule. But the West is equally as bad. Previously they just oppressed other countries, but now they have turned on their own people.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2652239]Are you talking about this bit?

"what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission. So if you're going home to somebody who has not been vaccinated, somebody who can't get vaccinated. I would suggest you wear a mask in a public indoor setting," Walensky stated.

If you can find someone who can read, they can explain to you that she did not say "the vaccine has 0% effect on transmission. " She said something that has been known at least since June and suspected even earlier. She alluded to something which has been discussed here. If this site supported the use of crayons I would put it in terms you possibly could understand. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with using words and you've already proven such advanced communication techniques are beyond your capacity.

Let's start with another thing the CDC Director said in the same interview:

"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death. They prevent it," Walensky said.

Preventing severe illness and death is kind of important, at least to those of us who aren't already brain dead.

Back to whether or not vaccines reduce transmission. I use "reduce" because contrary to what you and the other brainless twats insist on, at no time was any vaccine promoted as being 100% effective and continuing to be 100% effective for life against any and all possible new variants. That's why they do studies, instead of just quote mining to find things to support their twisted, childish fantasies.

We knew in June that the original vaccines were less effective at preventing infection from the Delta variant. We know now the original vaccines are even less effective at preventing infection from the Omicron variant. However, we also know the vaccines are still very effective at preventing severe illness and death..[/QUOTE]Keep clinging to the orwellian goal post changing from the cdc aka pfizers main mouthpiece.

You know what tells you it does nothing to reduce transmission, absolutely nothing?

Record cases in every western country, but it's funny more people are vaccinated than ever before.

And the vaccinated have to wear masks inside again.

Doesn't matter if you're boosted even here in Colombia.

It's like July 2020 all over again because people are obedient to unelected rule makers.

It wouldn't surprise me if you were a cuckold, since you like bending over so much for your "superiors".

But yes keep coping and projecting onto the unvaccinated.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2652065]No, I actually meant continuously, incessantly, without pause, rather than repetitively.[/QUOTE]Yeah well that ain't accurate because no one posts without pause. You'd like to be right here, because Elvis is quite a prolific poster, but you're not right. Continuous and incessant aren't the same thing. Very few things are actually continuous and internet chat postings certainly aren't.

Allow me to respond to Elvis by repeating that vaccine refusers are selfish fucking assholes. But of course Elvis, JackOffWalker, Mr International Disease Spreader, TK from Scandinavia, and so forth are so far down the misinformation rabbit hole that it really doesn't matter to them. Mr. International Disease Spreader is the biggest asshole because he admits to using a fake vaccination card. I think TK is doing that too, but he has not directly admitted it.

I just got boosted in the country where I live and they took my fingerprint. So my passport and my fingerprint are in the government system. I hope some of you vax card faking assholes come here and try to game the system. You'll get taken to the detention center at a place called Pavoncito. I doubt you'll enjoy it.

And if natural immunity was so great, why did dickhead Djokovic get re-infected?

If you take 20% of the best five guys answers and combine them into one, you come up with something that resembles the truth. No matter how sure of yourself you are, you are wrong.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2652361]If you take 20% of the best five guys answers and combine them into one, you come up with something that resembles the truth. No matter how sure of yourself you are, you are wrong.[/QUOTE]Says the Hotel Nutibara Tusi boy. Wink. But calling certain people 80% wrong is easy, while proving it is another matter. Roll up your sleeves.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2652357]Mr. International Disease Spreader is the biggest asshole because he admits to using a fake vaccination card.

I just got boosted in the country where I live and they took my fingerprint. So my passport and my fingerprint are in the government system. I hope some of you vax card faking assholes come here and try to game the system. You'll get taken to the detention center at a place called Pavoncito. I doubt you'll enjoy it.[/QUOTE]Amazing that I am dating 4 nurses here that evidently love to get diseases spread inside of them. How do I get to that Pavoncito place? I am having a great time in Colombia and would like to check the place out. Oh sorry. I thought you meant the Pavoncito place was in Colombia. I see that it is in Guate. Funny I was there about 4 weeks ago and had no problem. Maybe this Pavoncito place is new or was not ready for a disease spreader like me. Maybe next time though! Sincerely, Your Asshole By Nature.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2652361]If you take 20% of the best five guys answers and combine them into one, you come up with something that resembles the truth. No matter how sure of yourself you are, you are wrong.[/QUOTE]And I would include myself in that group.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2652349]Keep clinging to the orwellian goal post changing from the cdc aka pfizers main mouthpiece.

You know what tells you it does nothing to reduce transmission, absolutely nothing?

Record cases in every western country, but it's funny more people are vaccinated than ever before.

And the vaccinated have to wear masks inside again.

Doesn't matter if you're boosted even here in Colombia.

It's like July 2020 all over again because people are obedient to unelected rule makers.

It wouldn't surprise me if you were a cuckold, since you like bending over so much for your "superiors".

But yes keep coping and projecting onto the unvaccinated.[/QUOTE]That's the spirit! Say you're not going to read something and then reply to it it's a classic technique used when your bullshit has been debunked.

I notice you're another one who has sexual fantasies about me. It's rather strange when guys on here publicly post their fantasies about me, but whatever it takes.

However, you might want to get someone to explain cuckold to you, as it has nothing to do with bending over. It also doesn't apply to someone who is not in some type of committed relationship.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2652052]As of November 427 recipients of the AstraZeneca vaccine had developed blood clots. That's 427 instances out of over 25 million doses. Almost all of the reported events were in women aged 50 or younger.

Since I'm not a woman, not aged 50 or younger and didn't receive either the AstraZeneca or the J&J vaccine, the embolic event I didn't have, if it existed anywhere outside of your feeble mind, probably couldn't have been blamed on any vaccine. Add in that almost all of the potentially vaccine induced embolic events occurred within 2 weeks of vaccination, and your idiotic assumption becomes even more idiotic.[/QUOTE]I actually thought with the death certificate thing you might come around and understand that mathematical calculations are not worth a damned thing if the data is shit.

Gene is right about anticoagulants / heparin being the standard of care for the treatment of Covid. What I was making fun of him for was he knows damned well Covid cases are over counted and that no one with a blood clot and Covid is not being counted as a Covid death.

The other thing is that he speaking like he has this great knowledge about heparin when good doctors (unlike the ones you had) have been using heparin on all hospitalized Covid patients for years.

427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that? Your comments cannot surprise me anymore.

JJBee, you remind me of the guy from Big Fan. Here you go and get vaccinated, think you are 95% protected, and travel. You do not lash out at the vaccine company for their shitty and fraudulent product. You blame your immune system and lash out at Republicans and do not want anyone to get the "conspiracy theory" that vaccine did not work when it totally failed you. Hell, the vaccine companies knew their shitty vaccines were not going to work for long. That is why they left two extra spaces for the subsequent vaccines on the vaccine cards, and you complied and got the third.

And then after having an embolic event, you convince yourself that a 3rd vaccine has benefit even when in your case it put you at a huge risk of side effects and has zero benefit for you at all.

Despite the government not educating you on what Covid is and how it kills and the vaccine company giving you a completely shitty and dangerous product, you are still defending both of them after all that.

The number of cases of Covid now are at an all time high, the death rate with vaccines in the USA was 50% higher in 2021 than 2020. The promise of the vaccines were complete and utter bullshit and now there is this backtracking.

So Biden and the media like the NYT play the one card they know will be a winner: blue states have less Covid and less Covid deaths than red ones, and you Democratic douches buy it hook, line, and sinker. Yeah, all would be great with Covid if not for those damned Republicans.

At this point, all I can do is marvel at the horrible judgments you make. You and Huacho and Paulie and Villiainy are so invested in the red-blue debate, you dummies are incapable of seeing any other colors. There is nothing I or anyone here can do to get you to change your mind. The only source you guys will listen to is your libtard friends.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2652486]427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that?[/QUOTE]Wow. My cousin needs to play the lottery. She was one of those 427 and at 50 years old looks like she just made the cutoff.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2652566]Wow. My cousin needs to play the lottery. She was one of those 427 and at 50 years old looks like she just made the cutoff.[/QUOTE]Wow! Do you recall me mentioning something about maybe occasionally posting something that wasn't complete bullshit? I see you're still not ready for such a drastic change.

The AstraZeneca vaccine, which had (up through October) 427 detected cases of blood clots in vaccine recipients is not authorized for use in the US.

Let me guess. Your cousin decided to go to another country to get vaccinated because she only wanted to get vaccinated with a vaccine which might pose a slightly greater health risk to her? Or maybe she lives in Kenya, but comes to play the lottery in the US every week?

I understand how some people feel the need to makeup stories to convince themselves they have some value. However, you should at least take 5 seconds to make sure your bullshit story is even possible.

Speaking of impossible bullshit stories, I'm still waiting on your explanation how the girl in Mexico who sent you her test results, managed to get infected twice in less than 1 month.

Since we're on the subject, also still waiting on the explanation why a world traveler, from the US, would go out clubbing in the US carrying only a Thai driver's license for identification.

Just one bit more. "Almost all the reported events were in women aged 50 and younger" doesn't define a limit. It merely identifies where most of the data points are located. For example if I say "almost all of the businesses in El Centro are closed after 8 pm", it doesn't mean that it's miraculous to find an open bar after 8 pm. It means a significant majority of all the businesses located in El Centro will be closed after 8 pm.

Don't worry. I'm sure there are some people who don't yet recognize you as nothing more than an overachieving bullshit spreader.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2652486]I actually thought with the death certificate thing you might come around and understand that mathematical calculations are not worth a damned thing if the data is shit.

Gene is right about anticoagulants / heparin being the standard of care for the treatment of Covid. What I was making fun of him for was he knows damned well Covid cases are over counted and that no one with a blood clot and Covid is not being counted as a Covid death.

The other thing is that he speaking like he has this great knowledge about heparin when good doctors (unlike the ones you had) have been using heparin on all hospitalized Covid patients for years.

427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that? Your comments cannot surprise me anymore.

JJBee, you remind me of the guy from Big Fan. Here you go and get vaccinated, think you are 95% protected, and travel. You do not lash out at the vaccine company for their shitty and fraudulent product. You blame your immune system and lash out at Republicans and do not want anyone to get the "conspiracy theory" that vaccine did not work when it totally failed you. Hell, the vaccine companies knew their shitty vaccines were not going to work for long. That is why they left two extra spaces for the subsequent vaccines on the vaccine cards, and you complied and got the third..[/QUOTE]I see you once again tucked your tail between your legs and ran away from my question. What were the initial and revised conclusions from my neurologist? If you're going to continue to make your silly claims about my health, back them up.

You keep making claims about my medical history, when you've never even met me. You make claims about my doctor's, when you don't know anything about any of them. Then when I tell you to back up your claims you run around yelling about anything else to keep from facing the reality that you don't know a fucking thing.

Probably the funniest thing about your psychosis is how you constantly bite yourself on the ass and then blame it on someone else. In one post you claim all the data is garbage and in the next you say that nobody has studied the data like you have.

Any piece of information which goes against your delusion is automatically discounted, and any superfluous trash which can fit into your fantasy land gets permanently enshrined.

There is one bit that's even funnier. It's a combination of a few things. First, your obsession with making everything a Republican vs Democrat, Conservative vs liberal argument. Then you mix in the anti-vax vs vax campaign. Add in all the times when you've said masks were worthless, social distancing was worthless and masks are helping, social distancing is helping. It's like someone put on a DVD of Sybil and the DVD player is just randomly skipping forward and backward.

Now mix that in with your willingness to embrace anyone who in any way agrees with any of your psychotic rambling. Take JustTK who frequently blames all the world's problems on the US and on US conservatives in particular. He responds to you pointing out how conservatives are the biggest problem, and you hump his leg because he's anti-vax.

Sorry, but I'm going to limit myself to making fun of you until you either back up your claims about my health, or admit that you just make shit up. Since we both know you can't do the first and it's obvious your mental illness won't let you do the second. This should be fun.

Sorry, I've got some time to kill and don't feel like taking a nap.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2652486]I actually thought with the death certificate thing you might come around and understand that mathematical calculations are not worth a damned thing if the data is shit. [/QUOTE]Let's see if I understand what you were thinking. Because 1 anti-vax nut claims he has a buddy, whose sister allegedly died and a funeral director allegedly told the anonymous buddy of the anonymous anti-vax nut to get the doctor to attribute the cause of death to Covid, I would immediately assume that every Covid death was just faked for money? You should find some other hobby, because you're not really cut out for anything which requires thought.

What was the cause of the alleged death of the mystery sister? What was her Covid status? What were her symptoms? Who were her attending physicians? Who certified her death? What cause of death was originally entered? Did the physician agree to reissue the death certificate with a changed cause of death?

Those are just a few of the questions which require answers before deciding whether 1 death, out of 850 k deaths provides sufficient cause to reexamine all 850 k deaths. Actually, even if the alleged sister died from something completely unrelated to Covid, with 20 negative Covid tests and the doctor changed the death certificate without blinking, it doesn't invalidate 850 k other deaths. At the very least you need 8500 fully documented cases of deaths falsely attributed to Covid, in the US, to even suggest a problem with the numbers.

Even that doesn't show the numbers are inflated over 1000%, as you've claimed. You would need at least another 47,000 worldwide, fully documented cases of death wrongfully attributed to Covid, distributed by country, at 1% of registered deaths for each country to even suggest a statistical anomaly, although it would still be insignificant. To get to the level you have recently claimed, less than 80,000 Covid deaths in the US, you're going to need, at a bare minimum, 420,000 fully documented cases of doctors attributing deaths unrelated to Covid as caused by Covid.

As I'm sure I've mentioned before, that's always the problem with crackpot conspiracy theories shared by idiots. They require literally millions of people, without any coordination, without any incentive, to all behave in the same manner which puts their livelihood at risk. For what?

Let's look at the alleged doctor, mentioned by the anti-vax nut. What does he get out of it? $9,000 doesn't go far when you have a funeral to pay for. I doubt there's enough left over to bribe a doctor to do something which could cause professional problems.

How about the family? By getting the doctor to issue a false death certificate, they've given up their rights, all for $9,000. What if the death could have been attributed to a medical mistake? It's going to be impossible to go back and sue the hospital when you already had the death falsely attributed to Covid.

The conspiracy gets even more impossible if you think about it, assuming you had the ability to think. In order for it to work you need nearly every employee, in every hospital worldwide, nearly every employee at every health and life insurance company, plus every employee at every public health agency, plus every family member of every person whose death or serious illness was attributed to Covid to all agree to the same false story. Sure there's some overlap, but at a minimum 1 billion people have to all have agreed to pretend there's some disease called Covid.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2652486]I actually thought with the death certificate thing you might come around and understand that mathematical calculations are not worth a damned thing if the data is shit.

Gene is right about anticoagulants / heparin being the standard of care for the treatment of Covid. What I was making fun of him for was he knows damned well Covid cases are over counted and that no one with a blood clot and Covid is not being counted as a Covid death.

The other thing is that he speaking like he has this great knowledge about heparin when good doctors (unlike the ones you had) have been using heparin on all hospitalized Covid patients for years.

427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that? Your comments cannot surprise me anymore.

JJBee, you remind me of the guy from Big Fan. Here you go and get vaccinated, think you are 95% protected, and travel. You do not lash out at the vaccine company for their shitty and fraudulent product. You blame your immune system and lash out at Republicans and do not want anyone to get the "conspiracy theory" that vaccine did not work when it totally failed you. Hell, the vaccine companies knew their shitty vaccines were not going to work for long. That is why they left two extra spaces for the subsequent vaccines on the vaccine cards, and you complied and got the third.

And then after having an embolic event, you convince yourself that a 3rd vaccine has benefit even when in your case it put you at a huge risk of side effects and has zero benefit for you at all..[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/18/top-10-wealthiest-men-in-the-world-doubled-their-wealth-during-the-pandemic/[/URL]

From the comment section.

Yachtman • 12 hours ago.

Kirk: Spock do we know anything about these humanoids? Spock: Yes Captain their population is huge, 7.7 billion. They have achieved limited space travel and have mastered digital communication. Kirk: Why has the United Federation been getting help pleas from them? Spock: After their industrial revolution a middle class was created that threatened the hegemonies of the ruling class. The ruling classes created political entities that sapped the wealth from the middle classes and distributed it to the lower classes. They called it Communism. Kirk: Where do they stand now who is calling for our help? Spock: We believe it is the subservient intellectuals that have figure out how to communicate with us. They talk of the oppression of the masses by a small elite group of hyper despots who have huge power and wealth. Kirk: How are they not overtaken by the masses? Spock: Their control over organizations and governments has grown over the past 40 years. They initiated a pandemic recently where they forced the people to be chemically inoculated. Their DNA was modified for submission. Kirk: We have run into other planets that have tried this and failed miserably, the TV audience has seen this! They boldly go where no men have gone before!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2652692]I see you once again tucked your tail between your legs and ran away from my question. What were the initial and revised conclusions from my neurologist? If you're going to continue to make your silly claims about my health, back them up.[/QUOTE]LOL. Asking what is on your MRI is like asking what my blood pressure is right now. Given your smug attitude though, your neurologist first probably said you had a stroke or mini stroke, did a MRI, and it did not show anything, and he changed the diagnosis or more likely you thought you heard him change the diagnosis, and you want to come here and throw it in my face. "You were wrong, Elvis."

If that makes you feel better, have at it. If that is what happened, it changes nothing from what I have said previously, and I am not going into why.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2652692]You keep making claims about my medical history, when you've never even met me. You make claims about my doctor's, when you don't know anything about any of them.[/QUOTE]There are things you have said that you do not attach great importance to that I think are very significant. I just do not tell you what they are, but what do I know?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2652692]Then you mix in the anti-vax vs vax campaign and you hump JustTK's leg because he's anti-vax.[/QUOTE]I do no think you know my position on vaccines. Care to state it? Am I antivax or just antivax now?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2652692]Add in all the times when you've said masks were worthless, social distancing was worthless and masks are helping, social distancing is helping. It's like someone put on a DVD of Sybil and the DVD player is just randomly skipping forward and backward.[/QUOTE]If you think Biden or anyone's "plan" in government is working, then can I have some of whatever you are smoking?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2652692]Sorry, but I'm going to limit myself to making fun of you until you either back up your claims about my health[/QUOTE]Yeah, you really are scoring points with your knowledge and even more with your wisdom but hey maybe we can take an IQ test and if you score higher maybe everyone will think you know all about Covid and health care despite your personal history.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2652256]Yes, he has drunk a good measure of Kool-aid, as have many people in the world, and a good few here. It is not surprising though. Many educated and middle class people have been brought up as political and cultural conservatists. They still beleive what government tells them. This is why conservative governments rule vast swathes of the western world. Bcos sheeple drink the Kool-aid and are unable to fact from fiction, narratives constructed to push political aims. And the way governments have acted during this pandemic. I am not sure if there is any way back from it TBH. The lies they have told people, the false science they have all clung on to, the authoritarian legislation they have passed thru (mandates, shutting down dissent, fines, one for them-one rule for us), the complete failure of their policies. Simply bcos the science was never on the side. It is hard for me to see a way back to normality from this. There is going to be so much hatred of authority from this (not from me, I always hated them. Hehe)..[/QUOTE]JustTK, I do not know if political title like conservative means that much. To me, most of the political leaders are narcissists, and they will tell you what you want to hear and drape themselves in whatever flag, liberal or conservative, that they need to so they get popular and get power. They make outlandish claims and promises that can never succeed and blame their enemies when they fail to meet those promises. In that sense, you are right. Biden and to a lesser degree Trump and Obama are cut from the same cloth as Putin and Xi.

What separates the USA is a spirit of dissent. The problem in our country now is the dissent now is not being directed at government or those in government being wrong but whatever your party you are not in. But even then I am not sure whether that is new or those foolish dissenters are getting more air time. The media model to make money is or rather was to sew partisan dissent.

What is happening now is a new model to get to the truth but that does allow media to make money, even huge money, is coming to be. Joe Rogan's interviews with Dr. Malone and McCollough have had an estimated audience of 40 million. Those are not super bowl ratings but playoff ratings. Matt Taibbi and Glen Greenwald are killing it now.

Huacho thinks imitating what a raging talking head on MSNBC says will make him popular because others will think he is knowledgeable about the virus. Is that new? I do not think so. I just think in the past people rolled their eyes at it, and they will again IMO.

This is a superb analysis of the Djorkovic saga by Glenn Greenwald, and a presentation on that this landmark decision means to Australia and the signals it sends to the rest of the world.

As I have said all along, this is a fight against creeping authoritarianism, not a bttle between left and right. It is right wing governments that are at the heart of this deeply foreboding shift to authritarianism.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJZuAHriNQ[/URL]

Glenn Greenwald is a real shining beacon in a dark dark world of sycophantic jornalism. He is my facourite, along with John Pilger. He speaks honestly, and puts his own life at risk for the honour of doing the right thing (see Assange, Bolsoonaro, and other handlings of potent leaks). He is also proudly leftist, although the mainstream media have unbelievably and qiute disgustingly started to smear him as having lost his left values. He is so good in fact, that I am quite surprised he is still alive at this stage.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2652931]This is a superb analysis of the Djorkovic saga by Glenn Greenwald, and a presentation on that this landmark decision means to Australia and the signals it sends to the rest of the world.

As I have said all along, this is a fight against creeping authoritarianism, not a bttle between left and right. It is right wing governments that are at the heart of this deeply foreboding shift to authritarianism.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJZuAHriNQ[/URL]

Glenn Greenwald is a real shining beacon in a dark dark world of sycophantic jornalism. He is my facourite, along with John Pilger. He speaks honestly, and puts his own life at risk for the honour of doing the right thing (see Assange, Bolsoonaro, and other handlings of potent leaks). He is also proudly leftist, although the mainstream media have unbelievably and qiute disgustingly started to smear him as having lost his left values. He is so good in fact, that I am quite surprised he is still alive at this stage.[/QUOTE]Check out Kim Iversen and Chris Marteson too.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2652931]Glenn Greenwald is a real shining beacon in a dark dark world of sycophantic jornalism. He is my facourite, along with John Pilger..[/QUOTE][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald[/URL]#Personal_life.

Greenwald's favourites are cute, male Brazilian orphans.

John Pilger is 82. Not Greenwald's type.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2652077]
If you get a chance, watch or listen to this: [URL]https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZte37vtFTkYT7b0b04Qz[/URL].
[/QUOTE]I tried to watch it. He seems like a pretty knowledgeable fella. Its just not my area of interest. All that talk of side effects of the vaccines puts me to sleep. I accept that vaxes were rushed through and the research was potentially less than thorough, and that there may be some side effects.

But TBH my position wouldn't change if none of that was true.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2652936]Check out Kim Iversen and Chris Marteson too.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot. I am always on the lookout for new (to me) and interesting channels to follow. I will give them a try.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2652946]Greenwald's favourites are cute, male Brazilian orphans.
[/QUOTE]Is that supposed to be a criticism of his work? He lives in Brazil and is married. He married a young Brazilan. What is wrong with that? Do you not prefer cute young Colombians (or Brazlians)?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2652873]JustTK, I do not know if political title like conservative means that much. To me, most of the political leaders are narcissists, and they will tell you what you want to hear and drape themselves in whatever flag, liberal or conservative, that they need to so they get popular and get power. They make outlandish claims and promises that can never succeed and blame their enemies when they fail to meet those promises. In that sense, you are right. Biden and to a lesser degree Trump and Obama are cut from the same cloth as Putin and Xi.
[/QUOTE]I always think of the west as a deeply conservatve culture. What I mean by that is that the people are happy with the status quo. They don't want meaningful change. They are part of the ruling western world, so why should they agitate for big change? All they have ever knpwn is that money is power. Only at times of great upheaval has there been any radical change. So since they are part of the powerful West, they are brought up in a self-centered culture, that thinks it has the right to exploit weaker nations. They pit themsleves first all time, they raised to be materialist and aspire to comsumption, and have almost zero empathy towards people of poorer countries. So yes, I agree. Narcissist. It is a very common characteristic of power. And within the political circles, it is a key attribute of success bcos it is what Big Money seeks to feed so that they can buy favours.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2653056]Is that supposed to be a criticism of his work? He lives in Brazil and is married. He married a young Brazilan. What is wrong with that? Do you not prefer cute young Colombians (or Brazlians)?[/QUOTE]I never try to rationalize anything PedroMorales writes but in this case, I think he is saying that GG prefers cigars to donuts. If you get my drift.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/past-covid-infection-protected-against-delta-but-vaccines-safest-to-prevent-dire-illness-cdc-says/ar-AASWP1d?li=BBnb7Kz[/URL]

I'm sure the anti-vaxxers will jump on this. What is says is:

1) During Delta, people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate.

2) But vaxxed still did better than unvaxxed with prior infections, in terms of HOSPITALIZATIONS.

3) People who'd had covid [U]and[/U] were vaxxed did the best.

4) All this relates to Delta and cannot be extrapolated to Omicron.

From #1 and #3 I'd conclude that natural immunity certainly exists. I never said it didn't, just that I doubted it was as good as being vaxxed. So, this particular fairly large study contradicts what I said here. I'll own that. But focus on #2 and #3, and the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system.

#4, of course, is just disturbing but not surprising, since each variant seems fairly different. I'll just go with being double vaxxed and boosted and hope now that I've had three government microchips injected to control my brain and movements instead of just two, maybe they can form some kind of coalition government in my brain.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2653194][URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/past-covid-infection-protected-against-delta-but-vaccines-safest-to-prevent-dire-illness-cdc-says/ar-AASWP1d?li=BBnb7Kz[/URL]

I'm sure the anti-vaxxers will jump on this. What is says is:

1) During Delta, people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate.

2) But vaxxed still did better than unvaxxed with prior infections, in terms of HOSPITALIZATIONS.

3) People who'd had covid [U]and[/U] were vaxxed did the best.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and Pfizer thanks you for the post. You see in this letter here the CDC says that they have no proof that anyone who has been infected with prior Covid has infected anyone else:

[URL]https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/12/cdc-admits-it-has-no-evidence-of-recovered-covid-patients-spreading-the-virus/[/URL]

Then you look at the CDC's own site and they say reinfection is rare and they do not have reinfection data: [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html[/URL].

"In general, reinfection means a person was infected (got sick) once, recovered, and then later became infected again. Based on what we know from similar viruses, some reinfections are expected."

So the CDC does do not have even one example of Covid reinfection. They know reinfection happens with other viruses though.

Then you have this study. [URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120[/URL].

Of 353,000 people who were sick with Covid, allegedly 1300 got reinfected and of those, 4 were hospitalized. None died and none were even in the ICU.

Yes, Haucho, you have drunk so much of the Kool Aid that you are cool with our spending money to vaccinate 353,000 people to prevent 4 reinfections that resulted in hospitalization. Maybe if 350,000 people get vaccinated, we can get that number down to 3.

The definition of reinfection "was defined as the first PCR-positive swab obtained at least 90 days after the primary infection."

But even that definition is not enough because you have to extract out those who have been reinfected versus those who have the virus reactivated. Here is a study where they showed that a number of "reinfected" patients actually were those in whom the virus was reactivated.

[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8604456/[/URL]

And that 90 day cutoff was not sufficient to distinguish between reactivation and reinfection. So even 4 out of 353,000 may be too much.

At least in that study, they show 12 examples of people who had Covid and got infected later with a different strain. So there you go there are actually 12 people in the whole world who have been definitely been reinfected with Covid. Thing is that none had two severe infections.

As for why, the answer is here: [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8025942/[/URL].

It seems like if you have a mild case of Covid, your body might not produce any antibodies: This result was strongly associated with disease severity and presence of symptoms. Although 11% of 308 asymptomatic patients did not develop antibodies, none of the 79 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 were seronegative.

So when Dr. McCollough went on Joe Rogan's podcast and said that no one has ever been reinfected with Covid, you could point out that he is wrong here. What is better to say is that no one has proof that anyone has ever had two severe Covid infections and since the Covid vaccine is only supposed to prevent you from having severe disease, what the fuck is the point of giving it?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2653194]
1) During Delta, people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate.
2) But vaxxed still did better than unvaxxed with prior infections, in terms of HOSPITALIZATIONS.
3) People who'd had covid [U]and[/U] were vaxxed did the best.
4) All this relates to Delta and cannot be extrapolated to Omicron.

From #1 and #3 I'd conclude that natural immunity certainly exists. I never said it didn't, just that I doubted it was as good as being vaxxed. So, this particular fairly large study contradicts what I said here. I'll own that. But focus on #2 and #3, and the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system.

#4, of course, is just disturbing but not surprising, since each variant seems fairly different.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting this. It seems you are human after all. What I like is this: "But in terms of policy,. Immunity after infection is real, is durable". Because of that, "policy in the United States should be updated, like in many European countries, to allow for people to go to work, to go to school, if they have evidence of recovery of infection without requiring vaccination. ".

So there are many things to say about this. I will restrict myself to a couple.

1. During the Delta wave. The CDC and mainstream news were all pushing a lie. That the vaccine gives better protection that natural immunity. So now can we have recognition that the media and CDC do push lies in order to support their agendas?

2. The report does not cover length of time since vax. We all know efficacy wanes. Many people in the vaxd group would have been newly vaxd. Hence the performance in the stats will be overstated than if they had run the study now. And the results could (no doubt would) be entirely different.

So now do you accept that I, as a healthy person, have a right to decline a vax and take my risks with the virus? I prefer to seek natural immunity. Hell, I could even get a booster of natural immunity with Omicon! Hehe. My own body is my best defensive weapon.

It will be very interesting to see what the CDC publishes WRT Omicron. It says data will be released this week. . And we must all recognise by now that Omicron is just the latest. There will be many new variants in the future, each with their own set of outcomes. Do you plan to take a course in vax acupuncture to cover all your bases Huacho? Hehe.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2652859]LOL. Asking what is on your MRI is like asking what my blood pressure is right now. Given your smug attitude though, your neurologist first probably said you had a stroke or mini stroke, did a MRI, and it did not show anything, and he changed the diagnosis or more likely you thought you heard him change the diagnosis, and you want to come here and throw it in my face. "You were wrong, Elvis."

If that makes you feel better, have at it. If that is what happened, it changes nothing from what I have said previously, and I am not going into why.[/QUOTE]No. No. No. Don't run and hide. Don't crawl under your mommy's skirt and suck your thumb. What it's say in my medical record?

It's really quite simple. You've declared, more than once that I had a stroke, now backtracking to a mini-stroke. If I had a stroke, if there was any indication I had a stroke, that finding would be right there. What does it say? Any doctor, any nurse, even any medical transcriptionist can provide the standard medical phrasing for such a diagnosis. You keep pretending to be a doctor, so let's see it. What was the diagnosis?

[QUOTE]There are things you have said that you do not attach great importance to that I think are very significant. I just do not tell you what they are, but what do I know?[/QUOTE]Ah yes the claim of secret knowledge. One of the classics. When you're pretending to know something which is just another of your delusions, do you tap your nose with your index finger, place your thumb on your chin, nod slowly and say "hmmm?" That's pretty standard. An old friend of mine would take off his glasses, put one of the earpieces up to his lip and do the "hmmm" and nod thing, when he was about to spout some bullshit.

Since of course a wizard of your caliber (0.177), would never reveal his secrets, I'll ask a different question. How do you know what I attach importance to?

[QUOTE]I do no think you know my position on vaccines. Care to state it? Am I antivax or just antivax now?[/QUOTE]Your position on vaccines, in general, or specific vaccines doesn't matter to me. When a girl is blowing me, I'm not worried about her religious beliefs. I'm focusing on how well she's doing her job. You post garbage. Your opinion about the garbage you post is irrelevant.

[QUOTE]If you think Biden or anyone's "plan" in government is working, then can I have some of whatever you are smoking?[/QUOTE]When have I ever mentioned Biden, Biden's plan or anyone's plan? I almost never mention anything about the government, or politics, especially not on this board. Perhaps you missed the purpose, but ISG is about helping guys in the quest to get laid. It's not here to discuss government, except where the government is concerned with the process of getting laid.

What I do discuss are things related to getting laid, particularly in Medellin. One of those things is personal safety. At this time, Covid and the questions about vaccination are a big part of personal safety while mongering.

When there are idiots, like you, claiming Covid is no worse than the flu, claiming the vaccines are totally ineffective and just generally providing bad information, which puts the lives of others at risk, I take offense.

[QUOTE]Yeah, you really are scoring points with your knowledge and even more with your wisdom but hey maybe we can take an IQ test and if you score higher maybe everyone will think you know all about Covid and health care despite your personal history.[/QUOTE]It still impresses me how you can post a bunch of really stupid shit and then find something even more idiotic to close with.

I proposed a bet, more than once, IQ tests for both. If you wish to claim I'm stupid, put your money on it. The results have nothing to do with whether any post, by you or I, contains relevant, factual information. What kind of fool would think it would?

What does my medical history have to do with my knowledge? Are you suggesting that no cardiologist could ever have any type of heart disease? Urologists never get UTIs? Nutritionists never get fat?

This might surprise you, but viruses can't read. They don't read forums looking for people who don't know about them. They don't evaluate a potential host to decide how much that person knows before deciding to infect them.

This is terrific news.

A leader of the Israeli vax / COVID department saying that vax passports should be ended.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnMMYJKZvnU[/URL]

Basically he says Israel has made mistakes and they have learnt that vaxes do not work in the long term, and natural immunity gives better long term results. He also says with Omicron, the vax gives almost no immunity. BTW Isreal is on to the 4th jab and their cases are higher than ever.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2652475]And I would include myself in that group.[/QUOTE]"By inference" I'd agree that 80% of what you believe is wrong. That's given your Hotel Nutibara rat hole, Parque Botero escapes and / or tusi induced hallucinations, etc. But do not project your limitations onto others. LOL.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2653447]So now do you accept that I, as a healthy person, have a right to decline a vax and take my risks with the virus? [/QUOTE]Of course not. To quote myself, the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2653451]It's really quite simple. You've declared, more than once that I had a stroke, now backtracking to a mini-stroke.[/QUOTE]I did not say you had a stroke. Given the symptoms you listed here and what you shared here, assuming it was accurate, that was by far the most likely thing.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2653451]If I had a stroke, if there was any indication I had a stroke, that finding would be right there.[/QUOTE]Says who? [URL]https://wellbeingaotearoa.wordpress.com/2021/07/12/d-dimer-tests-show-at-least-62-percent-of-mrna-vaccinated-patients-have-microscopic-blood-clots-reports-dr-charles-hoffe-m-d/[/URL].

Dr. Charles Hoffe believes that the mRNA vaccines create microscopic blood clots in the capillaries of the vaccinated and at least 60 percent of mRNA based vaccine recipients could eventually succumb to heart failure. When the media claims that blood clots causing strokes and heart damage are very rare they refer to those (large ones) seen only CT scans, angiograms and MRIs. The clots Hoffe is talking about are microscropic and scattered throughout the body within the capillary network so they are not going to show up on any CT scan. The majority of the blood clots are microscopic and remain undetected, unless the-Dimer tests are performed within a specific timeframe.

And with Covid patients: Of the 287 patients with COVID-19, 92.3 percent of patients had plasma the-dimer levels of 0.05 g / ML. [URL]https://www.practiceupdate.com/content/d-dimer-level-not-useful-for-ruling-out-pe-in-covid-19-patients/124985[/URL].

At admission, 1823 (76%) study of Covid patients had raised the-dimer, [URL]https://acutecaretesting.org/en/journal-scans/d-dimer-testing-in-patients-with-covid-19[/URL].

I would ask what your the-dimer level JJBee but I would bet your doctors did not do one. And if you did say you had a the-dimer and it was normal, I would not believe you.

No one told you did not have a stroke or clot JJBee because no one could exclude it and certainly not in a patient with your history. So when most patients have an elevated the-dimer with Covid, how did you determine you did not have any clots or embolic events?

Your neurologist may have told you that your MRI was negative or that there was no evidence of stroke on your MRI and you danced for joy thinking I was wrong, but that does not mean you did not have a stroke or ministroke dummy.

A neurologist can catch shit if he does not take someone's license away with a neurological event. So you may attach great importance to what the neurologist wrote, but it is just an opinion based on what you told him and if he has half a brain, he is going to put down the most benign diagnosis he can think of. If you are still driving, he is not going to put down a diagnosis like stroke or ministroke because it can come back and bite him in the ass if you have a wreck.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2653681]...Dr. Charles Hoffe believes that the mRNA vaccines create microscopic blood clots in the capillaries of the vaccinated a...[/QUOTE]This is simply false. There is no evidence for this at all. Hoffe is another in the line of anti-vaccine hucksters like Andrew Wakefield. In sum: there is no evidence, no science behind it, fake, a lie.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2653841]This is simply false. There is no evidence for this at all. Hoffe is another in the line of anti-vaccine hucksters like Andrew Wakefield. In sum: there is no evidence, no science behind it, fake, a lie.[/QUOTE]Of course, there is evidence, John. The mRNA vaccines trick the body into making a spike protein. The immune system reacts to it in a very similar reaction like there is with Covid with inflammation and clotting. It has to or the vaccine would not work.

The vaccine manufacturers said the spike protein would just stay in the arm and if the clotting was just going on there, it is probably not going to hurt anyone, and they had support from the scientific community in the beginning.

The problem is research is showing that is not the case: [URL]https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin/[/URL].

Vaccine researchers had assumed that novel mRNA COVID vaccines would behave like "traditional" vaccines and the vaccine spike protein responsible for infection and its most severe symptoms would remain mostly in the vaccination site at the shoulder muscle. Instead, the Japanese data showed that the infamous spike protein of the coronavirus gets into the blood where it circulates for several days post-vaccination and then accumulated in organs and tissues including the spleen, bone marrow, the liver, adrenal glands, and in "quite high concentrations" in the ovaries.

And here is a study where the spike protein was found in the blood in 11 of 13 people who were vaccinated: [URL]https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075[/URL].

And you can do blood smears in Covid patients and those vaccinated and see the red blood cells clumping up in the exact same way.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2653841]This is simply false. There is no evidence for this at all. Hoffe is another in the line of anti-vaccine hucksters like Andrew Wakefield. In sum: there is no evidence, no science behind it, fake, a lie.[/QUOTE]Hoffe is a rural Canadian doctor with no expertise in epidemiology, virology or immunology. Which makes him exactly the kind of source Elvis would love. If a source agrees with the quackery that Elvis is preaching that source is elevated to "authority" status. Meanwhile well-informed opinions coming out of John Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic are just dismissed.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2653632]...the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole.[/QUOTE]So you would also think that a person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system. Is a selfish arsehole? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2653914]So you would also think that a person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system. Is a selfish arsehole? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.[/QUOTE]A smoker who smokes around me is a selfish asshole, yes. Drug users, people with bad diets, etc. Does not affect me. COVID is contagious. A bad diet isn't. Any fucking moron should be able to differentiate. But you're not just any moron.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2653871]Of course, there is evidence, John. The mRNA vaccines trick the body into making a spike protein. The immune system reacts to it in a very similar reaction like there is with Covid with inflammation and clotting. It has to or the vaccine would not work.

The vaccine manufacturers said the spike protein would just stay in the arm and if the clotting was just going on there, it is probably not going to hurt anyone, and they had support from the scientific community in the beginning.

The problem is research is showing that is not the case: [URL]https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin/[/URL].

Vaccine researchers had assumed that novel mRNA COVID vaccines would behave like "traditional" vaccines and the vaccine spike protein responsible for infection and its most severe symptoms would remain mostly in the vaccination site at the shoulder muscle. Instead, the Japanese data showed that the infamous spike protein of the coronavirus gets into the blood where it circulates for several days post-vaccination and then accumulated in organs and tissues including the spleen, bone marrow, the liver, adrenal glands, and in "quite high concentrations" in the ovaries.

And here is a study where the spike protein was found in the blood in 11 of 13 people who were vaccinated: [URL]https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075[/URL].

And you can do blood smears in Covid patients and those vaccinated and see the red blood cells clumping up in the exact same way.[/QUOTE]It's pure bullshit. You've learned a few phrases that sound plausible, but it's bullshit.

I guess I was right about this. Who all turned out to be wrong? (Hint:[b]JjBabbleOn[/b] who I expect will be marching into federal court by Wednesday to explain at length to the bench that, in short, they don't know shit from applebutter). Maybe they will be undischarging those military personnel that were unjustly fired.

Jan 21 (Reuters) - A judge in Texas ruled on Friday that President Joe Biden could not require federal employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus and blocked the USA Government from disciplining employees who failed to comply.

Biden issued an order requiring about 3.5 million workers to get vaccinated by Nov. 22 barring a religious or medical accommodation or else face discipline or firing.

USA District Judge Jeffrey Brown said the question was whether Biden could "require millions of federal employees to undergo a medical procedure as a condition of their employment. That, under the current state of the law as just recently expressed by the Supreme Court, is a bridge too far. ".

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2653978]It's pure bullshit. You've learned a few phrases that sound plausible, but it's bullshit.[/QUOTE]You sound like you've been reading posts written by Elvis.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2653997]I guess I was right about this. Who all turned out to be wrong? (Hint:[b]JjBabbleOn[/b] who I expect will be marching into federal court by Wednesday to explain at length to the bench that, in short, they don't know shit from applebutter). Maybe they will be undischarging those military personnel that were unjustly fired.

Jan 21 (Reuters) - A judge in Texas ruled on Friday that President Joe Biden could not require federal employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus and blocked the USA Government from disciplining employees who failed to comply.

Biden issued an order requiring about 3.5 million workers to get vaccinated by Nov. 22 barring a religious or medical accommodation or else face discipline or firing.

USA District Judge Jeffrey Brown said the question was whether Biden could "require millions of federal employees to undergo a medical procedure as a condition of their employment. That, under the current state of the law as just recently expressed by the Supreme Court, is a bridge too far. ".[/QUOTE]Whereas any and all vax refusers are selfish assholes, current military who refuse are just unfathomable because they signed all those rights away when they enlisted. Retired military like you know this, and are just woofing because you're black and Tuskegee and yada fucken yada.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2654031]Whereas any and all vax refusers are selfish assholes, current military who refuse are just unfathomable because they signed all those rights away when they enlisted. Retired military like you know this, and are just woofing because you're black and Tuskegee and yada fucken yada.[/QUOTE]Crazy shit is that I am in Peru with this nurse that works with covid patients. I have been messing with her 3 years and did not know she is a nurse. I always thought she was a firefighter. Turns out firefighting is her volunteer job (all firefighters in Peru are volunteers) but she is a full time nurse.

Anyway she was telling me about the place she works were actually apartments they built for the PanAm Games. They were converting them to normal apartments but when covid came they had to convert them to hospitals. There are 7 towers 19 floors each (1 building with 20 floors) , I think 21 rooms on each floor and they are full with covid patients. She says she has to take care of 3 floors on her shift.

We were fucking away this afternoon bareback style when she told me that she wanted this unvaccinated dick to cum in her mouth so she could swallow it. She did a damn good job too. I hoped she was not infecting me with covid from all those sick vaccinated people she takes care of so I had to take a test right after. It was negative of course. But I think that if she was carrying anything then this unvaccinated skeet skeet was the cure she needed.

Believe it or not, there is a lot of shit that can be learned and experienced in this world when a person decides to come out from hiding (from covid) in their mom's basement.

P.S. I went to the store to get a SIM card today. The girl working at the store had one of those lanyards around her neck with a plastic pouch. I could see she had a vaccination card from the USA. While I was standing in line outside she came and asked for my vaccination card so I could enter the store. I showed it to her. I said it is just like yours. She said yep; I went to USA to get vaccinated. Interesting she could not tell a difference in our cards.

About an hour later when me and my girl were eating dinner I asked her if she saw that weird sign on the door at the cellphone store that said no discrimination whatsoever is tolerated on these premises. She said yeah; funny they would say that and right in front of the sign get away with discriminating depending on who has a card and who doesn't. I told her that I like their style; fuck those rules!

P.P.S. My ex-girlfriend here also went to the USA like 1 year ago to get vaccinated. I got here and hit her up and she said that she can't see me because she is in quarantine due to her contracting covid. Selfish asshole abandoned her countrymen to go get a vaccine in another country and wound up getting covid! How you like them apples? Looks like that trip was a waste of money and time. That is what her ass gets for not coming to see me when she was there (although I don't believe I was in the country at the time anyway.) Why do damn near all the chicks I know in Lima have covid right now? Especially being that they are vaccinated.

P.P.P.S. I will buy your ticket to the USA to see you argue with the court about what rights current military have and do not have. Let them know that YOU are the law around these parts and you have spoken!

Cue JjBabbleOn entering to talk about how my entire day was a lie and to tell how it really went.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2653978]It's pure bullshit. You've learned a few phrases that sound plausible, but it's bullshit.[/QUOTE]Sorry, John, are you saying that no one has had damaging clots after the vaccine? Because that would be pure bullshit.

For the record, I got vaccinated in early 2020 and have no regrets about doing so and did so for medical purposes. Even with the newer risk profiles, I would still have gotten it done then. The benefit was for my health based on what was going on at that time.

With the second shot, I was weary because of the reactions others were having to the vaccine so I spread out my doses. My arm pain was much more severe than the first one but my overall side effects were much less than other people I knew. I was glad that I spread out the vaccines and did not listen to the government.

The benefit-risk ratio I made was not done based on health but based on politics because I wanted to travel and knew vaccine passports were on the way. The benefit had nothing to do with health and everything to do with politics. And that should never happen with health care decisions!

The decisions on the booster and omicron were fucking nuts. There are too many people with natural immunity and the vaccinated community has antibodies levels all over the place. And given omicron was so much less potent than prior strains, I am not sure how you would prove benefit. As I said, you had teams that were 98% vaccinated, and 50% of the players came down with omicron.

There are clotting induced side effects with the vaccine. The question is how common are they. I do not agree that 62% of people have damaging clots after the Covid vaccine, but I do want to know about the-dimer, CRP levels, and blood smears showing roleaux formation. What % of people have elevated levels and for how long are they elevated? I want to know what those levels were not just in the vaccinated but in those 20 people who died after getting the vaccine and the FDA said their deaths were not vaccine related.

What is bullshit Jon is you do not have that data, and I do not have that data. And while you may be comfortable with the government monitoring system for side effects, I am not. I want the objective, raw data not their fucking opinions on cause of death.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654057]We were fucking away this afternoon bareback style when she told me that she wanted this unvaccinated dick to cum in her mouth so she could swallow it. She did a damn good job too. I hoped she was not infecting me with covid from all those sick vaccinated people she takes care of so I had to take a test right after. It was negative of course. But I think that if she was carrying anything then this unvaccinated skeet skeet was the cure she needed.

About an hour later when me and my girl were eating dinner I asked her if she saw that weird sign on the door at the cellphone store that said no discrimination whatsoever is tolerated on these premises. She said yeah; funny they would say that and right in front of the sign get away with discriminating depending on who has a card and who doesn't. I told her that I like their style; fuck those rules!
.[/QUOTE]That was on another level. Am sure it will fly right over them. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2653975]A smoker who smokes around me is a selfish asshole, yes. Drug users, people with bad diets, etc. Does not affect me. COVID is contagious. A bad diet isn't.[/QUOTE]You don't seem to be applying the same rational to your arguments. You said not having vax is selfish bcos it clogs up health system (thus denying other people access to critical health care).

So I asked you if you though my short list of items wer also selfish for the same reason. But then you switched argument and attacked them for different reasons, when that was not the question I put to you. So I ask again.

A person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system, is a selfish arsehole or not, for accepting the possibility that they might clog up the healthcare system? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.

Please answer straight. You are not allowed to attack them for other reasons. That is called DEFLECTING.

I wathced this short video last night, and it could not have been more appropriate:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyJxdnOx7fA[/URL]

You can add to that list of selfish people, according to Huacho logic -anyone that votes Rep or DemParty, bcos they implement policies to reduce access to healthcare and numbers of beds. This denying others access to critical healthcare, just like the non-vaxd do. According to Huacho logic.

Please, again, name the trait Huacho.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/covid-booster-shots-effective-against-severe-illness-from-omicron-cdc-studies-say/ar-AAT0UeZ?li=BBnbfcL[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2654180]Please, again, name the trait Huacho.[/QUOTE]Contagion would be the differentiating trait. You fucking moron.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2654180]You said not having vax is selfish bcos it clogs up health system (thus denying other people access to critical health care).[/QUOTE]Nope, never said that. It's selfish but I never mentioned anything about denying other people access to critical health care. It does, of course, so thank you for pointing that out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654057]That is what her ass gets for not coming to see me when she was there (although I don't believe I was in the country at the time anyway.) Why do damn near all the chicks I know in Lima have covid right now? Especially being that they are vaccinated. [/QUOTE]Maybe it's just an excuse.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2654185]Nope, never said that. It's selfish but I never mentioned anything about denying other people access to critical health care. It does, of course, so thank you for pointing that out.[/QUOTE]No wonder we hardly agree on anything. Either you forget what you say, or you never meant what you said. This is the quote from you which prompted my reply:
"getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole. ".

So you are calling out non-vaxd bcos of the effect on the health system. Clear as.

Be carefull who you call a fkn moron, especially when you can't even remember what you wrote the day before.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2654184]Contagion would be the differentiating trait. You fucking moron.[/QUOTE]Ok you are changing up your argument to now say you believe vaccinated people are not contagious when they get covid. So the selfish assholes should get vaccinated so they will not be contagious to you. So the vaccine makes covid stay inside of the host. Yeah, best place for you seems to be the basement.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654281]Ok you are changing up your argument to now say you believe vaccinated people are not contagious when they get covid. So the vaccine makes covid stay inside of the host. Yeah, best place for you seems to be the basement.[/QUOTE]Don't worry. He will probably forget his password next. So he won't be able to reply.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2654277]No wonder we hardly agree on anything. Either you forget what you say, or you never meant what you said. This is the quote from you which prompted my reply:
"getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole. ".

So you are calling out non-vaxd bcos of the effect on the health system. Clear as.

Be carefull who you call a fkn moron, especially when you can't even remember what you wrote the day before.[/QUOTE]Actually, until you pointed out the other aspect, my thinking it was helping the hospital system simply by not spreading infections to other patients and health care workers. But you're correct it taxes the system by denying access as well. I just never said that, about denying access. You inferred it, probably because you know it's true. So, unvaccinated morons are really assholes in several ways. They're infecting others; they're taking up hospital and ICU beds unnecessarily; and they're also causing routine surgeries to be delayed, re-scheduled and so forth. I really thank you for expanding my thinking about all the various different ways you assholes are affecting the hospital system. I had only thought of the infection factor.

It's been almost two years and the vaccines have been fully approved and proven safe for at least a year. We're tired of all the bullshit excuses, all the weak reasoning, all the spurious website quotes, and all the politicization of a public health issue. We want you assholes to shut up, roll up your sleeves, and do what's right for society, instead of being selfish, needle-scared pussies.

Could we just rename this the JustTK thread? Whoever this clown is. Has anyone seen him in Medellin besides perhaps the Marquis de Twat? Just asking and thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2653199]I don't like to go with hookers who do drugs, partly because I don't want to share my drugs[/QUOTE]So you may fuck multiple women and may be spreading diseases, and you may end up in a hospital because of your selfish drug use, but you are virtuous because you got vaccinated?

You really are a legend in your own mind.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2653997]I guess I was right about this. Who all turned out to be wrong? (Hint:[b]JjBabbleOn[/b] who I expect will be marching into federal court by Wednesday to explain at length to the bench that, in short, they don't know shit from applebutter). Maybe they will be undischarging those military personnel that were unjustly fired.

Jan 21 (Reuters) - A judge in Texas ruled on Friday that President Joe Biden could not require federal employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus and blocked the USA Government from disciplining employees who failed to comply.

Biden issued an order requiring about 3.5 million workers to get vaccinated by Nov. 22 barring a religious or medical accommodation or else face discipline or firing.

USA District Judge Jeffrey Brown said the question was whether Biden could "require millions of federal employees to undergo a medical procedure as a condition of their employment..[/QUOTE]Damn. I guess I really hit a nerve calling out your bullshit. That's twice you've gone full on passive-aggressive in the past few days. Before I get to this latest bit of whiney bitching from you I'm still waiting for your answers:

1. How did your cousin get blood clots from a vaccine which has never been authorized for use in the US?

2. How is it possible for anyone to have 2 separate cases of Covid in less than 1 month?

Grow, or borrow a pair of testicles and admit to just making up shit, or answer the questions.

Now on to your current bit of stupidity. When did I ever state that any judge would never rule against any type of vaccine requirement? The only thing I've posted in any way related to this bit of idiocy from you, is that everyone in the military has long been required to submit to vaccination.

In what alternate reality would I be allowed to go into any court to argue against any ruling unless I was a lawyer who was representing one side of the case ruled upon by the judge?

According to your understanding, or lack thereof, a decision issued by a judge immediately becomes codified into law and can never be changed? You might want to get someone to explain it to you, because that's not how things work.

Don't you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2654031]Whereas any and all vax refusers are selfish assholes, current military who refuse are just unfathomable because they signed all those rights away when they enlisted. Retired military like you know this, and are just woofing because you're black and Tuskegee and yada fucken yada.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure he's not retired military. At a guess, he did the minimum required 8 years and got out to get away from all the people laughing at him.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654057]Cue JjBabbleOn entering to talk about how my entire day was a lie and to tell how it really went.[/QUOTE]Make that 3 bitchy little passive-aggressive posts. How's that cousin of yours who got blood clots from the AstraZeneca vaccine which has never been authorized for use in the US?

How about the miracle Mexican chick, who had 2 separate Covid infections in less than a month?

You know, if you didn't make shit up all the time, I wouldn't be calling you out for making shit up. You're the one who can stop the cycle. However, that would require the truth from you and that's probably not happening anytime soon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654281]Ok you are changing up your argument to now say you believe vaccinated people are not contagious when they get covid. So the selfish assholes should get vaccinated so they will not be contagious to you. So the vaccine makes covid stay inside of the host. Yeah, best place for you seems to be the basement.[/QUOTE]He didn't change his argument. It's a pretty simple argument which is probably beyond your ability to understand.

85% or more of hospitalizations for COVID are among the unvaccinated. If you're unvaccinated, haven't had a previous case of Covid, you're much more likely to end up taking up a bed at a hospital. Don't worry, they have beds for short, fat people.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2654180]You don't seem to be applying the same rational to your arguments. You said not having vax is selfish bcos it clogs up health system (thus denying other people access to critical health care).

So I asked you if you though my short list of items wer also selfish for the same reason. But then you switched argument and attacked them for different reasons, when that was not the question I put to you. So I ask again.

A person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system, is a selfish arsehole or not, for accepting the possibility that they might clog up the healthcare system? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.

Please answer straight. You are not allowed to attack them for other reasons. That is called DEFLECTING.

I wathced this short video last night, and it could not have been more appropriate:.[/QUOTE]Motorcycles- 79,000 injuries and 5,000 deaths, per year.

COVID - 2 days ago, 150,000 hospitalized, 2,000 deaths per day.

Bad diet and smokers. These two things generally take many years to cause health issues which require hospitalization. Getting infected with Covid takes a few seconds. And contrary to Mr 13 LSS (13 Letter Shit Spreader), getting a test immediately after exposure won't show you anything.

Drug users are the only class which applies.

People who don't use condoms? Urinary tract infections and STIs can mostly be treated without hospitalization.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2654369]Actually, until you pointed out the other aspect, my thinking it was helping the hospital system simply by not spreading infections to other patients and health care workers. But you're correct it taxes the system by denying access as well. I just never said that, about denying access.[/QUOTE]It's all the same thing. If I caught the virus, I could end up in hospital and clog up the health system. I could infect nurses and clog up the health system. I coudl give it other patients and clog up the health system. It all uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.

Just like if I drive a car, I could have an accident and clog up the health system, I miight hit a nurse and clog up the health system. I might cause another driver to have injuries and clog up the health system. All this uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.

So what is the difference? With the virus one could argue there is less risk bcos the nurse and patient should have a vax, right?

It has been 2 years. 2 years of me not infecting anyone. 2 years of vaxd people catching the virus and spreading it to others. 2 years of BS lies which you are slowly waking up to. The vax does nothing except help the weak to protect themselves. Well, many other things can do that. What a pussy vax. No thanks.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2654569]It's all the same thing. If I caught the virus, I could end up in hospital and clog up the health system. I could infect nurses and clog up the health system. I coudl give it other patients and clog up the health system. It all uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.

Just like if I drive a car, I could have an accident and clog up the health system, I miight hit a nurse and clog up the health system. I might cause another driver to have injuries and clog up the health system. All this uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.

So what is the difference? With the virus one could argue there is less risk bcos the nurse and patient should have a vax, right?

It has been 2 years. 2 years of me not infecting anyone. 2 years of vaxd people catching the virus and spreading it to others. 2 years of BS lies which you are slowly waking up to. The vax does nothing except help the weak to protect themselves. Well, many other things can do that. What a pussy vax. No thanks.[/QUOTE]Given that there is asymptomatic transmission, you, in fact, have no idea how many people you have infected (nor do I). That's just one of the many things you don't understand. So fuck all unvaccinated assholes, particularly those who choose to travel, and even more particularly those using fake documents.

That's all I have to say on this subject.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2654569]It's all the same thing. If I caught the virus, I could end up in hospital and clog up the health system. I could infect nurses and clog up the health system. I coudl give it other patients and clog up the health system. It all uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.

Just like if I drive a car, I could have an accident and clog up the health system, I miight hit a nurse and clog up the health system. I might cause another driver to have injuries and clog up the health system. All this uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.

So what is the difference? With the virus one could argue there is less risk bcos the nurse and patient should have a vax, right?

It has been 2 years. 2 years of me not infecting anyone. 2 years of vaxd people catching the virus and spreading it to others. 2 years of BS lies which you are slowly waking up to. The vax does nothing except help the weak to protect themselves. Well, many other things can do that. What a pussy vax. No thanks.[/QUOTE]They are all the same but I think you forgot to mention that after you hit the nurse, the nurse is going to hit the doctor, then the doctor is going to hit the patient, and the cycle continues, LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2654624]They are all the same but I think you forgot to mention that after you hit the nurse, the nurse is going to hit the doctor, then the doctor is going to hit the patient, and the cycle continues, LOL.[/QUOTE]Only if you accept that you have a vax that doesn't work. Only if you have chosen an ineffective vax instead of natural immunity.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2654506]1. How did your cousin get blood clots from0 a vaccine which has never been authorized for use in the US?[/QUOTE]Sorry BabbleOn. I told you that I don't read all that shit you babble on about. It was the Pfizer clot shot that affected my cousin. Has that one been authorized for use in the USA? I quoted from Elvis's post, which did not mention a particular name brand.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2654523]And contrary to Mr 13 LSS (13 Letter Shit Spreader), getting a test immediately after exposure won't show you anything.[/QUOTE]Hehehehe. I have not been worried about covid in the last 2 years and you actually believe I would be taking a test because I fucked a chick. The real stuff I write you say is fake and the joking shit I write you take as the truth. I took the test because it is required by Slow Biden to get on a plane entering the USA, not because of the chick. Duhhh.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2654607]Given that there is asymptomatic transmission, you, in fact, have no idea how many people you have infected (nor do I). That's just one of the many things you don't understand. So fuck all unvaccinated assholes, particularly those who choose to travel, and even more particularly those using fake documents.

That's all I have to say on this subject.[/QUOTE]Given that you said "people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate" - surely its you that is a selfish arsehole by getting a vax when you sohuld have gone for natural immunity.

And I choose to travel so that I can donate some sperm and money to poor families. Surely its you that is a selfish arsehole by choosing to stay at home thinking that your protecting yourself.

That's all I have to say on this subject.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2654513]How about the miracle Mexican chick, who had 2 separate Covid infections in less than a month?[/QUOTE]Mf I do not know. You think I am sitting around arguing with chicks I am fucking or trying to fuck about their medical records? I will give you her phone number if you want to call and argue with her about it. I could give a fuck less if she got gangrene in the same month as that other shit. I am not a doctor or virologist, nor am I trying to be. I am a lover.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654752]Mf I do not know. You think I am sitting around arguing with chicks I am fucking or trying to fuck about their medical records? I will give you her phone number if you want to call and argue with her about it. I could give a fuck less if she got gangrene in the same month as that other shit. I am not a doctor or virologist, nor am I trying to be. I am a lover.[/QUOTE]Jajaja, but so is JujeBee, and so am I. Keep on Keepin' On. Free advice is generally worth just what you pay for it, but I would suggest you both stop calling each other out and give it a rest because your issues are getting clouded by what seems to be emotional anger statements.

This is the perfect example of why you should stop just making shit up. Because you end up forgetting the shit you fabricated and make yourself look even stupider.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654752]Mf I do not know. You think I am sitting around arguing with chicks I am fucking or trying to fuck about their medical records? I will give you her phone number if you want to call and argue with her about it. I could give a fuck less if she got gangrene in the same month as that other shit. I am not a doctor or virologist, nor am I trying to be. I am a lover.[/QUOTE]Let me refresh your memory. You started with this:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2626604]Meanwhile I am talking to a Mexican chick that has been vaccinated and is currently on her second bout with covid in 1 month.[/QUOTE]Which I gave you an opportunity to back out of by that just because someone says something it doesn't make it true. That was a test. You failed. Your reply was:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2627136]Or better yet, maybe I should not believe the documents she showed me confirming this. Afterall, documents can be made to show anything. Yes; everything and everybody in this world is one big lie. I guess we should not believe your lies about getting covid after being vaccinated either.[/QUOTE]A person who is basically honest, when caught in a lie, will usually take an opportunity to back away without admitting to the lie. However, a dishonest person, one who lies constantly, will make up more lies to cover the original lie.

Keep on making up your silly shit and I'll keep on calling you out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654715]Sorry BabbleOn. I told you that I don't read all that shit you babble on about. It was the Pfizer clot shot that affected my cousin. Has that one been authorized for use in the USA? I quoted from Elvis's post, which did not mention a particular name brand.

Hehehehe. I have not been worried about covid in the last 2 years and you actually believe I would be taking a test because I fucked a chick. The real stuff I write you say is fake and the joking shit I write you take as the truth. I took the test because it is required by Slow Biden to get on a plane entering the USA, not because of the chick. Duhhh.[/QUOTE]You just keep on shooting yourself in the foot don't you? You make it so simple to show how full of shit you are. Before I get to showing how full of shit you are, just an editorial comment. You rarely write real stuff, so it's not too difficult to point out your bullshit.

Let's get to the business of you making a fool of yourself again.

The post you replied to, from Elvis, included a partial quote from my post. As the attached screenshot shows, the AstraZeneca vaccine is mentioned and rather hard to miss.

It gets even funnier when you decide, after failing to realize you had fucked up by claiming your cousin got blood clots from a vaccine she couldn't have received, to claim she got them from the Pfizer vaccine. If you had not been so fucking stupid, you could have made up that your cousin had gotten the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. There have been 57 instances of thrombosis in the 18 million people who received the J&J vaccine. However, between the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines there have only been 20 reported cases from over 700 million doses. That's extremely low odds. Ridiculously low odds. The equivalent would be having 10 people in your family who have won a lottery jackpot.

Fuck lockdowns. Fuck vaccine mandates. Fuck false statistics about vaccine effectiveness. Fuck the divisiveness and toxicity of American politics. Let people be free in their "pursuit of happiness."

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2655156]Fuck lockdowns. Fuck vaccine mandates. Fuck false statistics about vaccine effectiveness.[/QUOTE]LOL. One of my chicks in Colombia just struck positive after having 3 doses. She said her 62 year old father has had zero doses and is as negative as can be. Yeah looks like the old saying is true about a sucker being born every minute.

Some of my Facebook girls (friends) are hustling hard, they are selling photos and videos now.

Do you guys have any experience paying for these? How to pay for them and are they unique or just does she send the same videos and photos to everyone? Since I'm not able to travel now I'm eager to buy some photos and videos from the girls. I know you can get porn for free online, but for me it's more like an investment to let the girls know you are serious and willing to spend some money on her and not be a dead fly in her friend list.

P.S. This is my first post, I've been a member for some time but never posted, I'm will try to be more active now.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2655156]Fuck lockdowns. Fuck vaccine mandates. Fuck false statistics about vaccine effectiveness. Fuck the divisiveness and toxicity of American politics. Let people be free in their "pursuit of happiness."[/QUOTE]If you believe certain statistics are false the burden is on you to demonstrate why. And none of the founding documents of the US offer a freedom to spread disease. In fact at the time they were written science had no developed germ theory and almost entirely erroneous ideas surrounding the spread of disease. I'll be blunt. You are a guy that likes to shoot off his mouth, but first you need to know what you are talking about. Invest some money and effort and get an education. And no, watching the evening Fox News propaganda hours doesn't count.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2654633]Only if you accept that you have a vax that doesn't work. Only if you have chosen an ineffective vax instead of natural immunity.[/QUOTE]I think you are smarter than that and you are only doing this to create or win an argument. The result is it makes both sides look like extremists.

You do know you are letting vaccine divide you, right? There is a full spectrum of behaviors. There are reckless vaccinated people and there are unvaccinated people who are very careful. It does not make sense to trash each other by vaccine status.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2654903]Jajaja, but so is JujeBee, and so am I. Keep on Keepin' On. Free advice is generally worth just what you pay for it, but I would suggest you both stop calling each other out and give it a rest because your issues are getting clouded by what seems to be emotional anger statements.[/QUOTE]I don't get angry on here. I do, at times get hyper-focused. For me, it's fun. However, I won't seek out opportunities to point out his silly fabrications without provocation. Except for just one more.

I missed another bit of your bullshit and it's worth pointing out. Here you say you don't read "all that shit", but you had to read all that shit I babble on about.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2654715]Sorry BabbleOn. I told you that I don't read all that shit you babble on about. It was the Pfizer clot shot that affected my cousin. Has that one been authorized for use in the USA? I quoted from Elvis's post, which did not mention a particular name brand. [/QUOTE]Here's where the problem lies:

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2652486]427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that? Your comments cannot surprise me anymore.[/QUOTE]This is what you quoted from Elvis's post and you replied:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2652566]Wow. My cousin needs to play the lottery. She was one of those 427 and at 50 years old looks like she just made the cutoff.[/QUOTE]The problem is, there was no mention of 50 years old in Elvis's post. That bit was only contained in my post, my post whoch clearly mentioned AstraZeneca and the 50 year age you referred to.

I've told you several times now. If you just stop making shit up, I'll stop calling you out for making shit up.

The story of Mary Mallon is instructive and should be read by all concerned with the morality of vaccines, quarantines, mandates, etc. It has a lot of parallels with modern day Latam.

[QUOTE=Bigpipa69;2655291]Some of my Facebook girls (friends) are hustling hard, they are selling photos and videos now.

Do you guys have any experience paying for these? How to pay for them and are they unique or just does she send the same videos and photos to everyone? Since I'm not able to travel now I'm eager to buy some photos and videos from the girls. I know you can get porn for free online, but for me it's more like an investment to let the girls know you are serious and willing to spend some money on her and not be a dead fly in her friend list.

P.S. This is my first post, I've been a member for some time but never posted, I'm will try to be more active now.[/QUOTE]Short answer, it's a hustle and most the guys here will tell you to move on.

I have bought a video, even overpaid, tons of guys do it.

90+% (of the time, you should move on and begin your hook-up with a chica that requires zero outlay upfront.

But there are always exceptions, one-offs, unique circumstances, yadi yadi yadi, blah, blah, blah, that could justify buying a video or fotos or sending "some" money up front, meaning the ROI (Return on Investment) will be justified materially OR intangibly. That is your call and no one else can tell you when to do it and not to do it, and you may have to learn from your own mistakes, or you may be rewarded with dreams beyond your imagination. If you are new to the mongering game, you will probably trend towards the former because you will be an amateur pitted against professionals. Make it fun, don't spend more than you can afford, and you will have a great time.

Happy Hunting, and Keep On Keepin' On. Be as Active as you want. Oh fuck, I should add, I don't have a Facebook account, maybe I was talking out my ass, jajajaa.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2655334]I think you are smarter than that and you are only doing this to create or win an argument. The result is it makes both sides look like extremists.

You do know you are letting vaccine divide you, right? There is a full spectrum of behaviors. There are reckless vaccinated people and there are unvaccinated people who are very careful. It does not make sense to trash each other by vaccine status.[/QUOTE]Well, I was using Huacho logic and using his own rationale against him. Hehe.

Not sure what you mean by letting vaccine divide me. But I agree that we should not let vaccines divide us. I only argue about it to defend my own position and defend myself against those that attack non-vaxd people. Most people fail to consider nuance, Nounce. Hehe.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2655346]I don't get angry on here. I do, at times get hyper-focused. For me, it's fun. However, I won't seek out opportunities to point out his silly fabrications without provocation. Except for just one more.[/QUOTE]I have heard the same from other "heavy hitters" here. I guess it's my biased reading that interprets it as anger. I am not even sure why I should care. Well, I like to think of this place as part of my Happy Place experience that is Medellin. I'll stay out of it going forward.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2655489]Well, I was using Huacho logic and using his own rationale against him. Hehe.

Not sure what you mean by letting vaccine divide me. But I agree that we should not let vaccines divide us. I only argue about it to defend my own position and defend myself against those that attack non-vaxd people. Most people fail to consider nuance, Nounce. Hehe.[/QUOTE]My bad, it was not specifically about you, it is for me to explain the reason that I don't continue and to me it was all semantics anyway like what you are doing with H.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2655244]LOL. One of my chicks in Colombia just struck positive after having 3 doses. She said her 62 year old father has had zero doses and is as negative as can be.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should have a bigger sample if you want to prove that vaccines don't work.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2655566]Maybe you should have a bigger sample if you want to prove that vaccines don't work.[/QUOTE]I do not want to prove that vaccines do not work. I am just saying that daily people I know that have gotten the vaccine are coming down with the disease, while people that I know that have not gotten the vaccine are doing fine. And here is another person today! Seems pretty weird.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2655330]If you believe certain statistics are false the burden is on you to demonstrate why. And none of the founding documents of the US offer a freedom to spread disease. In fact at the time they were written science had no developed germ theory and almost entirely erroneous ideas surrounding the spread of disease. I'll be blunt. You are a guy that likes to shoot off his mouth, but first you need to know what you are talking about. Invest some money and effort and get an education. And no, watching the evening Fox News propaganda hours doesn't count.[/QUOTE]Burden? LOL. Dude I don't care that much. I judge shit by what I see in everyday life. As for you and JJB62, you lurk around here 24/7 scrounging through every little minute detail of guy's posts like Mr. E or JustTK, just to start an argument with them. It's so obvious you have absolutely nothing better to do with your life than live on this forum and spread hate to deal with your own transgressions. You appear very pathetic to me. Tell me, what do you do to contribute to your community and country that makes you so noble that you believe you have the right to label me as just some "uneducated guy who likes to shoot his mouth off"? I would bet you are some unemployed internet basement dwelling troll who couldn't lift a finger to help his neighbor, like most extreme left liberals who have nothing better to do than "hate" and "shame" instead of "contribute" and make a "difference."

Another one for Elvis.

Superb discussion. Have you heard much of Brett Weinstein? Intelligence is one thing he is not lacking.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_KpBzFrcY[/URL]

Did you also hear about the key stat coming out of UK? That of the 155.000 reported COVID deaths in UK since start of pandemic, only 17.000 were of people with no previous co-mobidities recognised (but perhaps they did have them, who knows? And the avge ag was 81+ years old. Astonishing. And where is the reporting? We all know by now.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2655641]Another one for Elvis.

Superb discussion. Have you heard much of Brett Weinstein? Intelligence is one thing he is not lacking.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_KpBzFrcY[/URL]

Did you also hear about the key stat coming out of UK? That of the 155.000 reported COVID deaths in UK since start of pandemic, only 17.000 were of people with no previous co-mobidities recognised (but perhaps they did have them, who knows? And the avge ag was 81+ years old. Astonishing. And where is the reporting? We all know by now.[/QUOTE]So 88% had comorbidities? The majority were old? What's the news here?

You do realize that average means many were younger too right?

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2655687]So 88% had comorbidities? The majority were old? What's the news here?

You do realize that average means many were younger too right?[/QUOTE]Many were younger as in 78 years old? You won't come up with an average of 81 with a bunch of 20, 40, or even 65 year olds. If you had 9 85 year olds and 1 20 year old, then the average would be 78.5. Or maybe your idea of many is less than 10% were younger.

[URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/01/22/bari_weiss_pandemic_will_be_remembered_by_the_younger_generation_as_a_catastrophic_moral_crime.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2655783]Many were younger as in 78 years old? You won't come up with an average of 81 with a bunch of 20, 40, or even 65 year olds.[/QUOTE]And does the article state whether the "average" is the mean or the median? Because the median of this series is also 81:16, 17,18, 81,81, 81,81.

Plus almost all old people have co-morbidities.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2655687]So 88% had comorbidities? The majority were old? What's the news here?
You do realize that average means many were younger too right?[/QUOTE]Yes, only 12% of the deaths had no REPORTED comorbidities, and the average age of those was 81+ years. Sure there no doubt were afew outliers, but there can't have been many for the avge to be 81+.

This is official news. It came from a Free of Information Application in UK. I don't know about you folks, but based solely on the evidence of the response from the UK Govt and these results, it seems to have been a huge overreaction and scaremongering to protect the old and fragile.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2655687]You do realize that average means many were younger too right?[/QUOTE]I don't see why it's even relevant. When did we just start letting old people die?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2655808]I don't see why it's even relevant. When did we just start letting old people die?[/QUOTE]Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. At this point anyone advocating for vaccine mandates or crazy restrictions is not thinking clearly and following the "science". Even besides the "science", the people have spoke, no one gives a fuck anymore. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2655888]Old people die Huacho LOL. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.[/QUOTE]I say we hunt them all down and shoot them. Or start some concentration camps in the countryside and send all the over 80's off on trains to their doom. Thats probably for the best.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2655932]I say we hunt them all down and shoot them. Or start some concentration camps in the countryside and send all the over 80's off on trains to their doom. Thats probably for the best.[/QUOTE]Haha, that may be a little extreme for me. I only advocate for no vaccine mandates and no more senseless restrictions or covid travel tests.

What would obviously be much better than getting vaccinated would be to let a committee composed of TK and Ram. They could just review who was too old and feeble to be any fun any more and just shoot them. I'm pretty old but anyone who thinks I am feeble is cordially invited to show up and find out. Since this is ISG, I think 'old' should be defined as 'your dick does not work any more. ' I think it was Willie Nelson who said his greatest fear was outliving his dick. So when that has happened I will be fine with TK and Ram putting a bullet in my brain.

In the meantime, double vaxxed and boosted here, free to travel. You deniers can just continue to face more and more restrictions. I'm too old for that and don't have enough time left for restrictions. So I get vaxxed. No side effects for me. I think a majority of people talking about side effects fall into one of two categories: pussies who think a sore arm from an injection is a "side effect," and pussies who are too afraid of needles to get a shot, and seek any excuse to avoid it. So, combining the two categories, the common thread is that unvaxxed people are pussies.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2655783]Many were younger as in 78 years old? You won't come up with an average of 81 with a bunch of 20, 40, or even 65 year olds. If you had 9 85 year olds and 1 20 year old, then the average would be 78.5. Or maybe your idea of many is less than 10% were younger.[/QUOTE]When this thing is knocking off a bunch of 80's and 90's yr olds, like a significant majority then yes you can have many 40's, 50's and 60's and still land at 81.157 k is a large number. No one is arguing about whether this is more lethal in the elderly. But the mortality of the originally more lethal strains was all the way as high as 20% in the unvaxed 80+ yr olds and perhaps 0. 2% or less in the 40's. A hundred fold variance, but even then 1:500 is a larger risk than most for a 40 yr old when the discussed outcome is well, death.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2655992]double vaxxed and boosted ... No side effects for me. ... I'm pretty old but anyone who thinks I am feeble is cordially invited to show up and find out. Since this is ISG, I think 'old' should be defined as 'your dick does not work any more. ' I think it was Willie Nelson who said his greatest fear was outliving his dick. So when that has happened I will be fine with TK and Ram putting a bullet in my brain.
[/QUOTE]Who are you to say? Ever heard of the expression. A pig dones't smell its own shlt? Meaning people are not the best judges of their own characters.

Old is defined as when your dick no longer functions. Interestingly I am just watching a video on the subject of disability being a social construct. So for example, if you cannot walk (or FK in the case of people here), are you disabled? A strong argument can be made that a person is only disabled if society doesn't accommodate them very well. So 'the good life' can lived with viagra and you would be accommodated on that basis. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2655992] I think a majority of people talking about side effects fall into one of two categories: pussies who think a sore arm from an injection is a "side effect," and pussies who are too afraid of needles to get a shot, and seek any excuse to avoid it. So, combining the two categories, the common thread is that unvaxxed people are pussies.[/QUOTE]I couldn't say. The only person I know of here that is concerned about side effects is Elvis, and he already got vaxd. Who else is there?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2656228]The only person I know of here that is concerned about side effects is Elvis, and he already got vaxd. Who else is there?[/QUOTE]I meant the majority of the general public, not the majority of we fairly crazed mongers on this board. I don't really think our cohort is very representative of the general public.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2656184]But the mortality of the originally more lethal strains was all the way as high as 20% in the unvaxed 80+ yr olds and perhaps 0. 2% or less in the 40's. A hundred fold variance, but even then 1:500 is a larger risk than most for a 40 yr old when the discussed outcome is well, death.[/QUOTE]Yes, but those are made up percentages, right Gene? Reuters say that the USA has had 50.000 deaths of people with no comorbidities. And stats show that only 58.000 deaths in USA have been people below 50 years old. I haven't see those stats combined in to one but would be interesting to know how few they are.

Thinking about these stats, one can see that the pandemic is really caused by poor health and the aged, right? Should the rest suffer for these 2 groups? ... and if so, for how long?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2655808]I don't see why it's even relevant. When did we just start letting old people die?[/QUOTE]80-90% of health care expenditures in the United States go towards hospitalization of old people in the final two years of their life. The USA spends double of any country in the world per capita on health care yet our outcome measures are not in the Top Ten. We also spend more on health care as a percentage (I think in the mid-twenties, not sure) of GDP than any other country in the world at an increasing rate that will eventually bankrupt the country. To me, you sound like someone who is making an emotional argument and projecting because you are in the age group under discussion.

The USA Ranks last in a measure of health care access and quality, indicating higher rates of amenable mortality than peer countries by the World Health Organization.

We have improved longevity without concentrating on quality of life.

One common error I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health, or probably even more, don't understand the difference or even know there is a difference.

I won't respond directly to anyone's post about this, there is not one person taking an overall cohesive overall stance on this topic. The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged, but I think he is basing that on intuition and not knowledge, which is okay.

You are all a pack of rabid Pit Bulls who jumped into a pool of jungle piranha, and you don't know what you don't know.

Carry on like I know you will. Geez.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2655992]Since this is ISG, I think 'old' should be defined as 'your dick does not work any more. ' I think it was Willie Nelson who said his greatest fear was outliving his dick. So when that has happened I will be fine with TK and Ram putting a bullet in my brain.[/QUOTE]Fuck that. It does not have to work to still let chicks suck on it a couple times a month. Sometimes it is the thought that counts.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2655992]In the meantime, double vaxxed and boosted here, [/QUOTE]You are behind the 8-ball you selfish 3-shot-having disease spreader. Don't you know that people who really care are on their 4th and 5th vax now? Catch up slacker.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2656274]It does not have to work to still let chicks suck on it a couple times a month[/QUOTE]Sometimes I think it feels better to me than when it's hard.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2656263]
We have improved longevity without concentrating on quality of life.
[/QUOTE]I think this is the real cause of the pandemic and the reason I don't respect doctors. They treat the disease. They are merely prescription writers. They do nothing or very little to treat the cause of the illness / health issue. Although there are exceptions of course, they know little themselves about nutrition and healthy liftstyle. Just stick a bandage on it or pop sone pills. This is why we have this health crisis and so many vulnerables.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2656228]I couldn't say. The only person I know of here that is concerned about side effects is Elvis, and he already got vaxd. Who else is there?[/QUOTE]Huacho is an irresponsible pussy. If he ever gets Covid, the first thing he is going to do is whine and blame everyone else. He is like Paulie. He lives in a fucking bunker but is busy telling everyone how it is while his life sucks.

I have had strep throat twice in my life, and it was horrible: fever, aches, throat on fire. I was out each time for 5 days and I knew I would be, and I still took every damned symptom reliever under the sun. From what I have seen, I would rather have omicron than strep throat, but there is no talking to these idiots. Before, I was like quit being so stupid, but I just got back from Cabo today and now I hope these fools stay stupid.

Thing is in December I was in Cancun, and cases were low, and it fucking sucked! The flights were packed there and it took me 90 minutes to get through customs and my gal 2 hours. Now I went to Cabo and Tulum and the flights were empty. The beaches were not crowded, and I got through customs everywhere in less than 5 minutes.

It made me happy that the idiots were staying home. I looked at all the wonderful things that have happened to me because of the pandemic and how I applied common sense and as far as I know have not been sick with Covid. I made it from the Mexico City airport to downtown in 15 minutes, and I got to Poblado from the Medellin airport in about the same time.

The tourist attraction Xplor in Cancun has amazing zip lines. I have since been when it was crowded and did only 3 total zip line rides. When Covid was in full bloom, I did 20+ twice! Mexico City has an amazing archeological museum. I bet it would have taken 8 hours to see it all if it is crowded; we did the whole thing in 2.

We have not talked too much about Colombia, but my take on Colombia is that the P4 P is not that great. What makes Colombian women special is how they treat their man. There are 10's in Colombia, and there are more there IMO than any other country save for Brazil. I remember seeing one and she stopped me in my tracks and not just because of her beauty but how nice she was. The thing is the great beauties are not easy to find.

A few of these women came out of the their hiding holes due to the pandemic, and I had a fucking ball with them. What I did not expect was to find a girl who looked like and had the dimensions of a Victoria Secret model and have her fall for me. Hell at least half of her suitors were out of the mix having checked themselves out due to their moronic paranoia. That these paranoid fools call others pussies and assholes cracks me up.

So I am in Cabo with my gal and a friend of mine, and he told me what all the Mexican guys were saying about us as we walked by them, and I wanted to say, "Yeah, dude, I am used to having guys honk their horns, crick their necks, and when we enter a restaurant, every guy stare at my gal. It is not new" but instead all I could muster was a "hmmm" when he told me what they said as if this was the first time I heard such comments.

The interesting thing about the Martenson and Weinstein podcast is that they get that Covid is just the start of things, and they are totally right these scientists are fucking with things they have no control over, but I already knew that. I have seen the government make horrific mistakes with health matters before. What gets me is how people keep letting government off the hook for their mistakes. Covid is the tip of the iceberg, and it is because the people responsible for it have escaped unscathed. But whatever happens, I know I will somehow adjust and come out ahead.

Still, it amazes me how many are still fighting with me. There is Elvis logic, Elvirus ETC. I could point out I was right about lockdowns, social distancing, and government stupidity and we could go back to the charts and data and fight it out. These fools still think that I was wrong.

But the best revenge is living a good life. So I prefer the night I had in Cabo: eating a delicious fresh shrimp taco, sipping a great margarita watching the sun go down over the fairly empty marina with this stunning creature who is head over heels for me. What I can say to everyone here is this is how I have done Covid. Has anybody else done it any better?

I spent some time in Medellin for New Year's. I am vaccinated, with a booster, and still ended up getting Covid. I had absolutely no symptoms. I went to the airport to leave and got my Covid test done at the airport. I tested positive. I didn't believe it. Regardless, they would not allow me to check in. I went back to my Airbnb and went to another lab that afternoon. I took a rapid test and a PCR. Both were positive. I had absolutely no symptoms. Earlier in the week I had a cough for two days. I thought that it was from being out in the rain and cool temperature at night. But I guess it wasn't. Anyway, I had to stay another week. Took another test and still tested positive. A doctor wrote me a letter of recovery because I had no symptoms. They allowed me to board the plane with a positive test and a letter saying I had recovered. When I got back to Arizona I took a PCR test. Again, tested positive. Had to be off work for 14 days. Took another test and was finally negative. I guess it depends on your immune system. Some people get it really badly and others don't.

[QUOTE=ElCapo;2656495]I spent some time in Medellin for New Year's. I am vaccinated, with a booster, and still ended up getting Covid. I had absolutely no symptoms. I went to the airport to leave and got my Covid test done at the airport. I tested positive. I didn't believe it. Regardless, they would not allow me to check in. I went back to my Airbnb and went to another lab that afternoon. I took a rapid test and a PCR. Both were positive. I had absolutely no symptoms. Earlier in the week I had a cough for two days. I thought that it was from being out in the rain and cool temperature at night. But I guess it wasn't. Anyway, I had to stay another week. Took another test and still tested positive. A doctor wrote me a letter of recovery because I had no symptoms. They allowed me to board the plane with a positive test and a letter saying I had recovered. When I got back to Arizona I took a PCR test. Again, tested positive. Had to be off work for 14 days. Took another test and was finally negative. I guess it depends on your immune system.[/QUOTE]Sure, that is in part your immune system, but that is a pretty typical case of omicron.

[QUOTE=ElCapo;2656495]I spent some time in Medellin for New Year's. I am vaccinated, with a booster, and still ended up getting Covid. I had absolutely no symptoms. I went to the airport to leave and got my Covid test done at the airport. I tested positive. I didn't believe it. Regardless, they would not allow me to check in. I went back to my Airbnb and went to another lab that afternoon. I took a rapid test and a PCR. Both were positive. I had absolutely no symptoms. Earlier in the week I had a cough for two days. I thought that it was from being out in the rain and cool temperature at night. But I guess it wasn't. Anyway, I had to stay another week. Took another test and still tested positive. A doctor wrote me a letter of recovery because I had no symptoms. They allowed me to board the plane with a positive test and a letter saying I had recovered. When I got back to Arizona I took a PCR test. Again, tested positive. Had to be off work for 14 days. Took another test and was finally negative. I guess it depends on your immune system. Some people get it really badly and others don't.[/QUOTE]Well, I am at home ready to leave in next couple weeks and I got it too but with symptoms. I thought I wouldn't get it do to vaccination and booster plus I wear a N95 mask and stay away from people to make sure but I still got it and it was a potent flu feeling that I have t had in years. Just adding my experience to Capo's so others who may be vaxed and boosted will keep their guard up. Am seriously thinking about travel insurance now.

I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.

How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? Are there any precautions suggested while you have a girl in the room? Also, what kind of secondary phone should I buy that doesn't attract people with bad intentions? Obviously I won't be walking around with my Iphone 13 pro max. Thank you in advance for your input.

It's obvious here that your vaccines and booster helped facilitate an about symptom free experience. I say "about" because you mentioned a cough. Good job doing the right and courageous thing for yourself and others around you.

[QUOTE=ElCapo;2656495]I spent some time in Medellin for New Year's. I am vaccinated, with a booster, and still ended up getting Covid. I had absolutely no symptoms. I went to the airport to leave and got my Covid test done at the airport. I tested positive. I didn't believe it. Regardless, they would not allow me to check in. I went back to my Airbnb and went to another lab that afternoon. I took a rapid test and a PCR. Both were positive. I had absolutely no symptoms. Earlier in the week I had a cough for two days. I thought that it was from being out in the rain and cool temperature at night. But I guess it wasn't. Anyway, I had to stay another week. Took another test and still tested positive. A doctor wrote me a letter of recovery because I had no symptoms. They allowed me to board the plane with a positive test and a letter saying I had recovered. When I got back to Arizona I took a PCR test. Again, tested positive. Had to be off work for 14 days. Took another test and was finally negative. I guess it depends on your immune system. Some people get it really badly and others don't.[/QUOTE]Timing is everything. Your story is a purrfekt example of why all the arguments about current state of Covid are moot. Covid right now is just one giant klusterfuk or Shitshow. The only thing we can hope for at this point is "lessons learned" for the next epidemic. Ostee Out.

You might want to start by framing your argument in what we should do different next time instead of trying to fix the unfixable. Love you guys.

[QUOTE=Shagmeister7777;2656648]How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? [/QUOTE]No further precautions are needed. The guys who get 'scoped' just didn't do that. Also I always discreetly rip a certain place on label (I only drink beer) to prevent bottle switching. Also I don't drink with more than one woman at a time.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2656650]It's obvious here that your vaccines and booster helped facilitate an about symptom free experience. I say "about" because you mentioned a cough. Good job doing the right and courageous thing for yourself and others around you.[/QUOTE]You fell for one of the oldest traps in the game, association is not necessarily causation. Your assumption is flawed. Next.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2656263]80-90% of health care expenditures in the United States go towards hospitalization of old people in the final two years of their life. The USA spends double of any country in the world per capita on health care yet our outcome measures are not in the Top Ten. We also spend more on health care as a percentage (I think in the mid-twenties, not sure) of GDP than any other country in the world at an increasing rate that will eventually bankrupt the country. To me, you sound like someone who is making an emotional argument and projecting because you are in the age group under discussion.

The USA Ranks last in a measure of health care access and quality, indicating higher rates of amenable mortality than peer countries by the World Health Organization.

We have improved longevity without concentrating on quality of life.

One common error I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health, or probably even more, don't understand the difference or even know there is a difference.

I won't respond directly to anyone's post about this, there is not one person taking an overall cohesive overall stance on this topic. The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged, but I think he is basing that on intuition and not knowledge, which is okay..[/QUOTE]Please explain what was crazy about my rant. I don't believe in vaccine mandates, lockdowns, or senseless restrictions at this point in the Pandemic. Hundreds of thousands of cases daily. Impossible to stop it now. Oseto, you also stated how you like to speak with the Trannies in Centro. To me that is a little crazy. Anyway, you messed up my forum name and called me Ramsbutt LOL, I would bet my last nickel, you are definitively the one getting rammed in the butt hahaha. Your posts always made me picture you as a junkie. Do you admit to a sex and drug addiction? Just curious bro. Love to all.

[QUOTE=Shagmeister7777;2656648]I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.

How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? Are there any precautions suggested while you have a girl in the room? Also, what kind of secondary phone should I buy that doesn't attract people with bad intentions? Obviously I won't be walking around with my Iphone 13 pro max. Thank you in advance for your input.[/QUOTE]You don't put anything in your body unless you had total control over it from the time it was opened. Like when you go to the airport and they ask you if you have been in complete control of your luggage from the time you started packing.

I did not follow my own rule once, a girl tried to drug me. Scopalamine like most medicines is very bitter. I tasted it, I told her to drink it first, she wouldn't, I fucked her.

If you have more than one girl in your room at a time make sure you keep eyes on both of them at all times. The most common trick is you will be in the shower while one is giving you a blowjob and the other is rifling through your stuff looking for money and valuables. Good luck, with a little common sense you should not get burned.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2656638]Well, I am at home ready to leave in next couple weeks and I got it too but with symptoms. I thought I wouldn't get it do to vaccination and booster plus I wear a N95 mask and stay away from people to make sure but I still got it and it was a potent flu feeling that I have t had in years. Just adding my experience to Capo's so others who may be vaxed and boosted will keep their guard up. Am seriously thinking about travel insurance now.[/QUOTE]CL, there are two types of antibodies with Covid. [URL]https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-infection-antibodies-protection[/URL]#part_1.

There are two types of antibodies that we can test for:

Anti-and tests look for antibodies that recognise a molecule inside the SARS-CoV-2 virus called the nucleocapsid (N). Anti- and antibodies are only produced if you've actually been infected with COVID-19 (natural infection).

Anti-S tests look for antibodies against the spike protein (S) on the surface of the virus; these antibodies can be present after both a natural infection and a vaccine. This is because COVID vaccines are based on the spike protein.

End of quote. You can go to your doctor and have blood drawn and have the anti-and antibodies checked. My understanding is that it is a cheap test.

Dr. McCollough's opinion was that if you had Covid, you have lifelong immunity, and I think that is in general a very accurate statement with some exceptions.

About 10% of people with mild illness like El Capo had do not form anti-and antibodies. If you were sicker, you probably formed them. If you do not form anti-and antibodies IMO, you can catch a new form of Covid again.

An infectious disease specialist walked into a room with a patient with active tuberculosis without a mask. He explained that he already had known tuberculosis and said, "I am not worried about catching his tuberculosis. My concern is that my immune system is keeping my tuberculosis in check. ".

80% of older guys on here have antibodies to HSV 1 including me. HSV 1 is the virus that causes cold sores. I have never had a cold sore in my life but I do not have to worry about catching this from someone else. My concern is the small amount of HSV1 virus I have, a colony, does not grow to the point I have an infection, and the reason that is not happening is my immune system is keeping it in check.

Another way to look at it is with the PCR testing: [URL]https://www.publichealthontario.ca/en/about/blog/2021/explained-covid19-pcr-testing-and-cycle-thresholds[/URL].

At PHO, we have developed a PCR test in our lab, with positive and negative cutoff points. The cutoff point for a positive result for PHO's developed lab test is 38 cycles. This means that if the virus is found at or before 38 cycles are completed, then the test is considered positive. The cutoff point for a negative result is 40 cycles. If the virus is detected between 38 and 40 cycles, we call this an indeterminate or inconclusive result. All inconclusive results are considered probable (likely) cases for public health reporting.

End of quote. The term negative means you think you do not have Covid but if they do 50 cycles, and they detect Covid, that means you do not have a Covid infection but a Covid colony, and you probably do have colonies of Covid left in your nasal passages.

The CDC does not distinguish between those who have anti-and antibodies and those who do not, and I think that is because they are profiting off the vaccine.

If I had my way and had anti-and antibodies, I would throw the mask in the trash, forget about social distancing, and refuse the vaccine. I do not have to work about other people's Covid. I have to worry about MY Covid, and that means keeping my immune system intact with all those boring things that are good for health: diet, exercise, sleep, lack of stress, regular health checkups ETC.

For the record, I would feel infinitely safer riding in an airplane with people with anti-and antibodies than the anti-S antibodies formed with the vaccine. As you can personally attest to, people with Anti-S antibodies get sick with Covid all the time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2656746]CL, there are two types of antibodies with Covid. [URL]https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-infection-antibodies-protection[/URL]#part_1.

There are two types of antibodies that we can test for:

Anti-and tests look for antibodies that recognise a molecule inside the SARS-CoV-2 virus called the nucleocapsid (N). Anti- and antibodies are only produced if you've actually been infected with COVID-19 (natural infection).

Anti-S tests look for antibodies against the spike protein (S) on the surface of the virus; these antibodies can be present after both a natural infection and a vaccine. This is because COVID vaccines are based on the spike protein.

End of quote. You can go to your doctor and have blood drawn and have the anti-and antibodies checked. My understanding is that it is a cheap test.

Dr. McCollough's opinion was that if you had Covid, you have lifelong immunity, and I think that is in general a very accurate statement with some exceptions.

About 10% of people with mild illness like El Capo had do not form anti-and antibodies. If you were sicker, you probably formed them. If you do not form anti-and antibodies IMO, you can catch a new form of Covid again..[/QUOTE]Very detailed report, Thanks E but above my comprehension now at my age. My test was at the hospital and qtip in my nose but not brain. Nurse said it was new version. From what I do understand, I am supposedly pretty well protected now. My sister the Biochemist would love reading your report. Anyway, I'm on my way down soon and am hoping for the best. My amigos and amigos say all. Ls good at the moment, entonces voy a ver. Also had a video visit with my MD today and she says I'm good to go. Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Shagmeister7777;2656648]I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.

How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? Are there any precautions suggested while you have a girl in the room? Also, what kind of secondary phone should I buy that doesn't attract people with bad intentions? Obviously I won't be walking around with my Iphone 13 pro max. Thank you in advance for your input.[/QUOTE]You will hear of the one or two times somebody got drugged over the last 6 months but not hear anything about the 1 or 200,000 dates that happened without incident. Nevertheless you can take certain precautions.

For example, if you stay in a hotel that checks the girl's cedula carefully and either photocopies the cedula (San Peter) or checks the cedula on-line (Dorado) (and others do this as well) the girl knows that if she pulls anything like drugging you to get your stuff that she will be vulnerable. Could she have a fake ID? Sure but both the places I mentioned do a very detailed check, which greatly reduces the possibility.

Alternatively, there is a very upscale love hotel called Thematic Luxury on Avenida 33 (or Calle 34). You have to check in and pay for the room and the girl (and you too) have to show ID. You pay for the room and go to your place and it has an electronic lock. You do your business and when you want to leave you have to notify the reception. They send someone up on the other side of the wall to verify that you didn't take anything from the mini-frig. But before reception sends the person up they insist on speaking to the guy. If the guy is incapacitated, guess what. They don't open the electronic door until they send a guard up to check. No girl is going to pull something like this when she won't be able to get out of the room. There are a lot of these upscale love-hotels and they generally operate the same way.

Most of the drugging's occur at a bar and the minute you look away someone can slip the mickey into your drink. So if you aren't comfortable, do your drinking in your hotel room with the protections in place. Or go there with your wingman.

[QUOTE=Shagmeister7777;2656648]I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.[/QUOTE]You should probably stay home. The other day it happened to 3 businessmen in Santa Marta who are friends. If they could not protect each other, then you do not stand a chance alone.

"Tres personas que llegaron procedente de Bogotá a Santa Marta fueron, al parecer, escopolaminadas cuando iban a cumplir una cita de negocios. Los tres hombres solo recordaron a las 5 a.m. de este miércoles que estaban en una trocha cercana al aeropuerto Simón Bolívar y les habían robado sus pertenencias. Solo recuerdan que una persona en una camioneta los recogió para ir a la cita de negocio y desde entonces no recuerdan más nada. Lea toda la información en www.zonacero.com."

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/zonacerooficial/p/CZNYWNpP0DO/?utm_medium=share_sheet[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bigpipa69;2655291]Some of my Facebook girls (friends) are hustling hard, they are selling photos and videos now.

Do you guys have any experience paying for these? How to pay for them and are they unique or just does she send the same videos and photos to everyone? Since I'm not able to travel now I'm eager to buy some photos and videos from the girls. I know you can get porn for free online, but for me it's more like an investment to let the girls know you are serious and willing to spend some money on her and not be a dead fly in her friend list.

P.S. This is my first post, I've been a member for some time but never posted, I'm will try to be more active now.[/QUOTE]I've done it. In most cases you're getting the same videos as everyone else. In most cases, it's not a good investment if you think you'll profit with better service or a discount when you meet them. There are a rare few who will show their appreciation, but most will only remember you when they want more money. And they will always want more money.

If you're interested in buying videos, Facebook girls are a good option. You can get a more personal touch. If you're looking to meet up with girls, Facebook is a good option. However, you're better off keeping those 2 groups separate. You don't need to stay in contact with the girls, except when you're in Medellin. Just a quick note shortly before you arrive is sufficient.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2655600]Burden? LOL. Dude I don't care that much. I judge shit by what I see in everyday life. As for you and JJB62, you lurk around here 24/7 scrounging through every little minute detail of guy's posts like Mr. E or JustTK, just to start an argument with them. It's so obvious you have absolutely nothing better to do with your life than live on this forum and spread hate to deal with your own transgressions. You appear very pathetic to me. Tell me, what do you do to contribute to your community and country that makes you so noble that you believe you have the right to label me as just some "uneducated guy who likes to shoot his mouth off"? I would bet you are some unemployed internet basement dwelling troll who couldn't lift a finger to help his neighbor, like most extreme left liberals who have nothing better to do than "hate" and "shame" instead of "contribute" and make a "difference."[/QUOTE]Lurk around here 24/7? Nope. Some days I check in several times, often I go days without checking in at all. It all depends on my schedule and current interest.

I'm employed, usually putting in 70 hours per week, although 80-85 hours isn't unusual. I know you were mostly directing at Paulie, but I probably lift more fingers, more often, to help people out than you do. Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). Even here, on ISG, that's what I do, offer help. If someone has a question, if I can, I answer it. If I'm in Medellin and someone has a problem, I help them. I've even gotten out of bed, gotten dressed and went down to help clear up a situation with a friend in need, when I was sick. I've played wingman for dozens of guys, taken them around El Centro, the casas, to restaurants, to explore the metro system, even up to Parque Arvi and Comuna 13.

If someone posts something which is wrong, or potentially dangerous, I respond. I respond because I've talked to guys who took bad advice and ended up wasting time and money, occasionally putting themselves at risk. All because someone posted some bullshit. Why should someone else find themselves in a bad situation because of the people on here who can't be trusted?

If you're so interested in "lifting a finger" to help a neighbor, why aren't you doing the same thing? Instead of speaking out against the bullshit and lies, you support them. How much have you contributed? How big of a difference have you made? Go hop over into the Medellin thread and search for posts which mention your handle. How many times has someone publicly thanked you for helping them out?

Now compare that number (0) to the number of posts where you've insulted others, attacked others. How many of your attacks contain any truth? For example, Paulie is well educated. Read any of his posts and his education is quite obvious.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2656797]Lurk around here 24/7? Nope. Some days I check in several times, often I go days without checking in at all. It all depends on my schedule and current interest.

I'm employed, usually putting in 70 hours per week, although 80-85 hours isn't unusual. I know you were mostly directing at Paulie, but I probably lift more fingers, more often, to help people out than you do. Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). Even here, on ISG, that's what I do, offer help. If someone has a question, if I can, I answer it. If I'm in Medellin and someone has a problem, I help them. I've even gotten out of bed, gotten dressed and went down to help clear up a situation with a friend in need, when I was sick. I've played wingman for dozens of guys, taken them around El Centro, the casas, to restaurants, to explore the metro system, even up to Parque Arvi and Comuna 13..[/QUOTE]I rarely start the bullshit, this time I did because every time I hop on this forum, your posting away tearing into people. You going at Mr. E hard like a weirdo. You did the same to me a few weeks back. You pick out the smallest most insignificant things to criticize people about and its just weird bro. I never spit any false info. Look, the vaccines were not what they were promised to be. That's a simple fact. I am not anti vaccine, as I have stated so many times. I just don't think they should be mandatory and I think the vaccine shaming needs to stop, its not healthy for society. Is that so bad? And if you are still advocating lockdowns and travel restrictions at this point, I think your judgement is very clouded by your bias.

And if you donating 25% of your income after you pay your income and property tax, then you are an idiot LOL. 25% That's a little excessive man, unless you are making close to half a million a year, and if you are god bless you, but I highly fucking doubt that because it seems you spend way too much time on this forum. If I was making that dough, I certainly wouldn't be wasting a dozen posts a day on this forum like it seems you do.

I am no saint, and I would never claim to be. I do work a full time career helping people daily which required 6 years of education and other credentials as well. I pay my taxes and most of the time I am decent citizen and member of the community. I draw the line right there though, LOL I am definitely not donating 30-40 thousand a year to charity though lololol. Hell no! Love you guys so much, you make me so warm and fuzzy inside, especially T-king Osteo haha.

I cannot teach the unteachable, but I am willing to look at that as my inadequacy and not yours, so I will try and give you the basics on the background info you need to understand what is going on with Covid.

I am going to write this once, on the fly. I will not spend any extra time doing revisions, there will be errors of omission, and it will be far from purrfekt.

First off, to properly understand the issue, do you:

Have a basic understanding of population statistics, a bell curve, and standard deviations? Do you understand the important difference between a median and a mean (or average). Do you have the judgment to accurately identify and determine significant from insignificant variables?

Know the two basic immune systems of the human body, cellular and humoral, the main differences and which system has immune memory? Do you understand physiological cascades? Do you understand how vaccines work?

Off the top of your head can you name at least two of the most successful vaccines of all time? Which disease has been officially eradicated from earth solely due to vaccinations, and what other horrible disease is about to be wiped off the planet next due to vaccines? Do you even know the difference between and antigen and an antibody? What are the only two vaccines used to prevent STD's (Sexually Transmitted Diseases) and are they working? Can you describe the difference between a successful vaccine program and not?

Understand what makes a screening test valid, and acceptable margins of error on test results? Can you accurately apply the concepts of sensitivity, specificity, negative predictive value, and positive predictive value?

Have a basic working knowledge of pharmacodynamics, pharmacokinectics, and pharmacoeconomics? Do you understand the different classes and types of medical treatments that are being offered to treat Covid in addition to the vaccines?

Do you know what defines side effects? Do you understand the difference between outliers and sentinel events? Do you know what defines a successful vaccine program, for example, what are the threshold levels and how do you use attack rate to determine those thresholds?

Do you have a general understanding of how health care is delivered in the United States, for example, who depends on private insurance, Medicaid, Medicare or the military, or how the uninsured get their vaccines? Do you understand the difference between delivering and assessing individual and population health interventions and outcomes?

Do you understand the inherent flaws introduced by the testing techniques being used for Covid, the differences in the results of the different types of testing, and how this all introduces error in the data results, including error introduction inherent in the reporting process itself?

Do you recognize your own personal biases that you interject into your argument? Do you have any idea about what it is you don't know? Knowing what you don't know is one of the highest, if not the highest levels of intellectual functioning, right next to Synthesis. Knowledge, Comprehension, and Analysis are lower levels.

Do you have any real world, professional, or educational experience and training about vaccines and public health other than just what you "read about" on the Internet and elsewhere? Do you understand mutations and their effect on testing results, and more importantly, on clinical outcomes? Do you or should you care that Covid vaccines may need to be repeated indefinitely and why?

I am sure I left at least a few more topics out, but this should give you an idea of the complexity of the Covid issue.

I will give you a minute to chew on this before my closing post about this subject.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2656763]Very detailed report, Thanks E but above my comprehension now at my age. My test was at the hospital and qtip in my nose but not brain. Nurse said it was new version. From what I do understand, I am supposedly pretty well protected now. My sister the Biochemist would love reading your report. Anyway, I'm on my way down soon and am hoping for the best. My amigos and amigos say all. Ls good at the moment, entonces voy a ver. Also had a video visit with my MD today and she says I'm good to go. Thanks again![/QUOTE]LOL. I should have done the cliff notes version. Yeah, I agree you are protected from getting Covid from someone else. Do not worry about travel insurance, a booster, or anything Covid related and have a great time.

The other topic that popped into my head after my previous post was, do you understand the demographics of the most effected population cohorts from Covid, and the implications that has on a vaccine program? Do you understand the contribution and burden of health care costs of those effected populations? Who is the largest single payer of health care services and durable medical equipment in the world?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2656263]One common error I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health, or probably even more, don't understand the difference or even know there is a difference.

I won't respond directly to anyone's post about this, there is not one person taking an overall cohesive overall stance on this topic. The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged, but I think he is basing that on intuition and not knowledge, which is okay.

You are all a pack of rabid Pit Bulls who jumped into a pool of jungle piranha, and you don't know what you don't know.

Carry on like I know you will. Geez.[/QUOTE]I know most people do not click on links, but this post above is what I like to call a giraffe. There was this wonderful British TV comedy called the Simple Life, and if you watch here from the 8:08 mark to about the 14 minute mark, you will see what I mean by the term giraffe. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RPLX9w2d5E[/URL].

Bonus points if you can pick out which of the three men is Osteo.

Null and Void. Frick and Frack. Klackkity Klack. Poetry. ISG at the same time becomes the most meaningless and important construct in my life. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2656887]There was this wonderful British TV comedy called the Simple Life.[/QUOTE]The Good Life. And the real star of the show wasn't even in those 6 minutes!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2656874]LOL. I should have done the cliff notes version. Yeah, I agree you are protected from getting Covid from someone else. Do not worry about travel insurance, a booster, or anything Covid related and have a great time.[/QUOTE]I will try like hell. Have succeeded so far. First time was in '73. Man was it different. Then. So much smaller and Parque Bolivar was the place to hangout especially at night. I just drive through in a taxi now just to see From Dusk till Dawn in person, hahahah. Thanks for the positive send off.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2656725]Please explain what was crazy about my rant..[/QUOTE]I associate them together, it is my read, don't know what he meant.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2656263]... I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health.

... The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2655888]Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2655888]Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. At this point anyone advocating for vaccine mandates or crazy restrictions is not thinking clearly and following the "science". Even besides the "science", the people have spoke, no one gives a fuck anymore. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.[/QUOTE]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657129]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.[/QUOTE]I never accept that I am old. But if I live much longer, I can't pretend for many more years. BUt one thing is for sure. I certainly would not be so selfish as to ruin children's education, and to impose on the every day freedoms that younger people should have, just bcos I were be at a higher risk. That would be smthg that I must manage, not expect everyone else to suffer for.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2657087]The Good Life. And the real star of the show wasn't even in those 6 minutes![/QUOTE]Right my bad. It was the Good life, and Felicity Kendal, the real star, was the second winner of rear of the year: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_of_the_Year[/URL].

It is amazing that contest is still going on in these days of PC.

Thing about Osteo's proclamation about truth is that you look at all these people who were wrong:

Joe Biden: You're Not Going To Get COVID If You Have These Vaccinations.

Tony Fauci: You Become A Dead End To The Virus.

Rochelle Walensky: "Vaccinated People Do Not Carry The Virus They Don't Get Sick. "

Alberta Bourla: "The COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing #COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%.

Bill Gates: "A key goal of the vaccination program is to stop transmission. "

Rachel Maddow: "Now we know that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. "

Francis Collins: "'Reason to be pretty optimistic' that the available COVID-19 vaccines will be effective against the new Omicron variant of the virus; All of the other variants that have emerged during this COVID-19 pandemic have shown response to the vaccine, including Delta.

Brian Stelter: "The newspaper USA Today describes 'America's fourth Covid-19 surge,' noting this 'didn't have to happen,' since vaccinations are so widely available. The headlines are followed by a call to action: 'Let's end it now. '

Then you have this jewel from Adam Carolla: "You closed the beaches down, you closed the schools down, cloth masks were going to save us all, the vaccine was going to be effective, natural immunity wasn't effective what have you been right about?

The comedian then asserted that he would be confident in putting Joe Rogan's batting average up against CNN's batting average "any day of the week," referring to CNN's infamous dismissal of Ivermectin as horse dewormer.

The irony about that is we have had people here saying, "Well, you know, the lockdowns / vaccines / whatever were never predicted to get rid of Covid. "

Of course, it is not Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is just allowing doctors like Dr. Malone and McCollough, who IMO have been way closer to the truth than anyone else, to be allowed to speak because censorship has been off the chain.

I myself did not see the waves every 3 months coming with Corona (not sure who did though) and have kicked myself for not being educated on the natural history of viruses. So I made a decision on being vaccinated without knowing all that I should have. Still, I am not sure had I known I would have done anything different. As I said, my choice in getting vaccinated a second time was purely political, and the notion that my getting vaxxed gives me any kind of superior standing, as so many others think, is IMO moronic.

From a health POV, the notion that being vaxxed puts you medically in a better place is a dubious claim. But from a political POV and the ability to travel, the risk of being unvaccinated is there and seemingly getting worse by the day.

But to have a guy run out and catch Covid and then gets vaccinated after getting sick and thinks he knows all about the virus? That is too much to take.

That overconfidence, the giraffe I referred to, has been mapped out by Dunning and Kruger.

I like the graph here and maybe you can agree or disagree if we have someone looking down from Mount Stupid: [URL]https://understandinginnovation.blog/2015/07/03/the-dunning-kruger-effect-in-innovation/[/URL].

And then you have the wonderful article here upon which the graph was based: [URL]https://josephparis.me/my-articles/lessons-from-mt-stupid/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657129]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.[/QUOTE]I am not saying we should do anything to speed up death for anyone who is at risk. I do not mean to disrespect anyone based on age or health. It is funny to me because it is so glaringly obvious that we cannot control this virus and whether or not we have lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel restrictions, etc. The same amount of people at this point are going to contract the virus. We might as well preserve our economy and freedom rather than destroy it in the name of politics, shaming, and fear mongering. I feel sorry for those affected by this virus, both young and old. The young losing out on normalcy during childhood and of course the elderly losing out at enjoying their golden years. As I have said before, this virus is a force of nature, it's like trying to control a hurricane, you can't to a certain degree. All you can do is minimize the damage it causes. I didn't need to do 12 hours of reading peer reviewed studies either to come to this conclusion. I am very concerned about real world problems like crime, inflation, and social isolation which is also wreaking havoc across society. Poor have gotten much poorer during this pandemic and it should addressed as much or if not more than vaccine mandates and travel tests for tourists.

I don't see how anyone can say what I wrote is insane, but I am sure haters will come out and spit venom because I am not a sheep in the herd.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657129]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.[/QUOTE]Lmfao, you're obviously too stupid to understand the full situation. I'm not saying that you're a terrible person but the consequences of the actions you're supporting are terrible.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657129]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.[/QUOTE]If you read carefully, he has never said to speed it up.

The question is at what cost?

Let's say the correct way is to save live at any cost, forever, do you agree with this position?

If yes, I think this is at one end of the spectrum of all choices. Some people who don't agree are questioning this single end of spectrum position. I will also add this is an almost impossible choice for a democratic country like US to take if that includes forced quarantine of anyone regardless of the infection status.

If no, then it seems to me that people share a common ground except numbers are different. It goes back to the question of at what cost?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2656859]I do work a full time career helping people daily which required 6 years of education.[/QUOTE]You sure write like you have six years of education. Seventh grade is 'haaard'. You have to learn the difference between you and you're, and it's and its, all kinds of stuff. I think you have to learn what 'x' is in 2 x + 4 = 6 that year too. You're lucky you quit when you did, because then in 8th grade you have to learn semi-colons.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2656859]I rarely start the bullshit, this time I did because every time I hop on this forum, your posting away tearing into people. You going at Mr. E hard like a weirdo. You did the same to me a few weeks back. You pick out the smallest most insignificant things to criticize people about and its just weird bro. I never spit any false info. Look, the vaccines were not what they were promised to be. That's a simple fact. I am not anti vaccine, as I have stated so many times. I just don't think they should be mandatory and I think the vaccine shaming needs to stop, its not healthy for society. Is that so bad? And if you are still advocating lockdowns and travel restrictions at this point, I think your judgement is very clouded by your bias.[/QUOTE]MrE often shares useful information. He also often makes up shit because he believes it somehow proves a point. Occasionally, he posts things which are potentially dangerous to others. I have no personal animus against him, only against the bad information and made up stories.

You can substitute any other member of ISG, whose posts I've argued against and it's the same. I have nothing against the individual. It's an anonymous internet message forum. Except for the people I've actually met, I don't try to make up back stories for the other people who post here. I don't care about their politics, religion, eating habits, or how they make or spend their money. Every person on ISG, if they send a message and ask to meet up when I'm in Medellin, I'm happy to go wherever and have a drink with them.

[QUOTE]And if you donating 25% of your income after you pay your income and property tax, then you are an idiot LOL. 25% That's a little excessive man, unless you are making close to half a million a year, and if you are god bless you, but I highly fucking doubt that because it seems you spend way too much time on this forum. If I was making that dough, I certainly wouldn't be wasting a dozen posts a day on this forum like it seems you do.[/QUOTE]First you're assuming someone who you've never met and know almost nothing about, does nothing to help out others in need, and now you're calling me an idiot because I give too much helping others out? Okay. Settle it for me. Considering my income, my expenses, my available time and all the other factors, how much, in dollars, or as a percentage of either my net, or gross income, is the proper amount I should offer to help others?

Since you're calling people out, who you assume do nothing to help others, how much of your time, energy and money do you give to those in need? How much is too little? How much is too much?

A dozen posts every day? I've been here for 7 years, with less than 4000 posts. Go ahead and do the math. There probably have been days when I've posted 12 times. At least once I've posted 10, so I assume there have been days with more posts. But every day? Not even close. The average is about 2 per day. At a guess I'd say 3 out of 4 of my posts have been either sharing information, or answering questions. What are your numbers? I took the time to look them up.

Your post count is 109.59 of your posts are in this thread. Out of your most recent 70 posts, 59 are in this thread. Actually, I believe it's 59 of 62. It's been less than 9 months since your very first post on ISG, well over half of your posts have been attacking others in this thread and you want to judge me on my posting history?

[QUOTE]I am no saint, and I would never claim to be. I do work a full time career helping people daily which required 6 years of education and other credentials as well. I pay my taxes and most of the time I am decent citizen and member of the community. I draw the line right there though, LOL I am definitely not donating 30-40 thousand a year to charity though lololol. Hell no! Love you guys so much, you make me so warm and fuzzy inside, especially T-king Osteo haha.[/QUOTE]Let's look at this one more time.

1. You start off attacking Paulie (who is generally a decent guy, and occasionally an ass, like just about everyone else) because you believe he's unemployed, uneducated, and does nothing to help others.

2. You then attack me because I help others too much.

3. Your justification for both attacks is that you're a "decent citizen and member of the community?" At the same time you strongly suggest that other than being "most of the time a decent citizen and member of the community" you don't do anything else to help others?

It's worth pointing out that most of the time, John Wayne Gacy was a decent citizen and member of the community.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2657155]If you read carefully, he has never said to speed it up.

The question is at what cost?

Let's say the correct way is to save live at any cost, forever, do you agree with this position?

If yes, I think this is at one end of the spectrum of all choices. Some people who don't agree are questioning this single end of spectrum position. I will also add this is an almost impossible choice for a democratic country like US to take if that includes forced quarantine of anyone regardless of the infection status.

If no, then it seems to me that people share a common ground except numbers are different. It goes back to the question of at what cost?[/QUOTE]I guess that I am the other end then. I don't put a price on life especially when we waste so much on death. He said let the healthy live. Does that mean anyone who is not healthy whatever that means, should die?

P.S. The USA is Not a democratic country. Democracy is the most over used and incorrectly used word in fashion now. Just go to any " News Channel" and you will hear it over and over.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2657161]You sure write like you have six years of education. Seventh grade is 'haaard'. You have to learn the difference between you and you're, and it's and its, all kinds of stuff. I think you have to learn what 'x' is in 2 x + 4 = 6 that year too. You're lucky you quit when you did, because then in 8th grade you have to learn semi-colons.[/QUOTE]Haha, you got me here Huacho. I meant 6 years post high school. Again, I never claimed to be the smartest guy going, but smart enough to realize when I see total bullshit mandates and pointless restrictions.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2657155] It goes back to the question of at what cost?[/QUOTE]So the way to manage cost is to um manage cost and the powers that were did a terrible job of that. Handing out corrupt contracts, denial is a river in Egypt, mask sourcing fiascos, and so forth. No one is perfect but early mistakes made for political rather than health or cost reasons wasted a lot of money.

If you want a serious discussion about what a human life costs, these are valued in civil courts every day. I disagree with these valuations as they are based on shit like 'future earning potential' which is based on shit like being born rich or white or from a developed country. And your dead ass is worth more if you had kids. Um no it's actually not, in the open market.

All human lives should have equal value. Here is a cynical view point. My guess is that if I make it ten more years, and we look back on this, we will see that COVID disproportionately killed and affected weaker members of society. Old, fat, too poor to get health care, too ignorant to get vaccinated, etc. [B] To me, the true measure of any society is how it treats its [u]weakest[/u] members. [/B]I did not personally profit from the pandemic but I made it through 2020 without getting laid off and was ready to pack it in anyway. Now I'm in a place I really like, that normally is overrun with tourists, and now is not. The gym used to be really crowded and now it's not. The stock market crashed so I bought my ass off. I was essentially financially unaffected. I did not get COVID so far as I know. I did not suffer financially from COVID. But, emotionally it was a vast wasteland and I think I'm fully recovered from that, but I'll never be sure. Severe lockdowns where I was reminded me of jail and may have scarred me a bit more. I went six months without pussy and had to survive on beer and weed.

TK is not vaxxed and is not worried because he has a healthy immune system or so he thinks, and a good diet. I am not worried because I have a healthy immune system or so I think, and a good diet, and am in A-1 aerobic shape. So if you accept that we are both healthier than average for our unknown ages, it still gets back to asymptomatic transmission being more common in unvaccinated people, making them irresponsible, plus the greater strain those people put on the health care system and thus the sacred economy when they get sick and start blathering about monoclonal antibodies and veterinary medicines. What I would do there is offer to medevac them with a helicopter, make them pay up front, and then toss them out of the helicopter in the finest Argentinean military tradition. Tip: do this over deeper water than those assholes did.

But the virus seems to be attenuating and there is quite a bit of history saying that is what viruses do. I would not be too quick to use that to criticize restrictions because you want to prevent deaths until a virus attenuates, and as we've seen, that takes years.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2656859]I rarely start the bullshit, this time I did because every time I hop on this forum, your posting away tearing into people. You going at Mr. E hard like a weirdo. You did the same to me a few weeks back. You pick out the smallest most insignificant things to criticize people about and its just weird bro. I never spit any false info. Look, the vaccines were not what they were promised to be. That's a simple fact. I am not anti vaccine, as I have stated so many times. I just don't think they should be mandatory and I think the vaccine shaming needs to stop, its not healthy for society. Is that so bad? And if you are still advocating lockdowns and travel restrictions at this point, I think your judgement is very clouded by your bias.
[/QUOTE]I agree with you Ram. WSJ today said hospitalization rate with omicron per a Kaiser study was 0. 16%. They also quoted an administrator as saying that 80% of people admitted were vaccinated in one health care system. Seeing as how the most vulnerable are the elderly and that they are like 99% vaxxed, that sounds about right to me.

What I have been surprised with in the last week is that it seems like the entertainment class has been unleashed. There was the Kid Rock song, Bill Maher and a guest of his speaking out against the pandemic. His guest said this is a "pandemic of the bureaucrats" and she got thunderous applause from a left leaning audience.

The most bone headed thing I had read recently was forcing truck drivers in North America to be vaccinated in the midst of a supply chain crisis. The Biden administration implemented such a measure and then back tracked on enforcement. Apparently, 40% of truckers are unvaccinated, but Justin Trudeau and Canada did not back down on the vaccine requirement, and a brigade of truckers 43 miles long have driven to Ottawa to protest.

Trudeau left town in a hurry and one Canadian newscaster said the brigade was due to Putin and Russia. Seriously. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/worlds-largest-truck-convoy-arrives-ottawa-protest-medical-tyranny[/URL].

A buddy of mine is in this business, and he has told me that truckers are a different breed, but if they are united and motivated, and they usually are very independent, they could shut down our whole country in 3 days. I wonder how much of Ottawa has been shut down.

There is talk the truckers head to the USA but I am not sure what the exact point would be. Still, it is nice to see some protest over the tyrannical responses we have seen. I was so proud of Colombia for rising up.

This has been the strongest backlash I have seen in North America over Covid, and I think this more than anything might give the bureaucrats pause with their vaccine passports and mandates, but we shall see.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657178]MrE often shares useful information. He also often makes up shit because he believes it somehow proves a point. Occasionally, he posts things which are potentially dangerous to others. I have no personal animus against him, only against the bad information and made up stories.

You can substitute any other member of ISG, whose posts I've argued against and it's the same. I have nothing against the individual. It's an anonymous internet message forum. Except for the people I've actually met, I don't try to make up back stories for the other people who post here. I don't care about their politics, religion, eating habits, or how they make or spend their money. Every person on ISG, if they send a message and ask to meet up when I'm in Medellin, I'm happy to go wherever and have a drink with them.

First you're assuming someone who you've never met and know almost nothing about, does nothing to help out others in need, and now you're calling me an idiot because I give too much helping others out? Okay. Settle it for me. Considering my income, my expenses, my available time and all the other factors, how much, in dollars, or as a percentage of either my net, or gross income, is the proper amount I should offer to help others?

Since you're calling people out, who you assume do nothing to help others, how much of your time, energy and money do you give to those in need? How much is too little? How much is too much?..[/QUOTE]Look man, I don't want to go back and forth with you all day. In all my life, I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. Seems really fucking strange to me. If I had to guess, you got to be full of shit and just trying to look noble in a filthy sex mongering forum. But if that's what really lights up your day, giving tens of thousands of dollars to total fucking strangers, then god bless you. You certainly don't need me to tell you what to do with your money.

Paulie has jumped in plenty of time and started shit with me over the vaccine shit. He's a big boy, he can handle it I am sure. Again, your posts are just weird and it bothers me. Are you really going back and reading and counting posts where I attacked people and keeping score? Again, you have way too much time on your hands. For the record, if you do go back and read my posts, I am usually responding to the hate and not starting it.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657191]I guess that I am the other end then. I don't put a price on life especially when we waste so much on death. He said let the healthy live. Does that mean anyone who is not healthy whatever that means, should die?

P.S. The USA is Not a democratic country. Democracy is the most over used and incorrectly used word in fashion now. Just go to any " News Channel" and you will hear it over and over.[/QUOTE]You guys jump to extreme conclusions so fast. Why would you assume I want unhealthy people to die? This is such a common thing I see about the weirdos who view the vaccines like its 15th century religious sin to always go to extreme lengths to promote the vaccine and shame anyone who doesn't want it mandated. I never said anything close to wanting unhealthy people to die. You make yourself look so biased and unhinged when you attribute views to people that they don't support just to argue your opinion.

Again, just look at the hundreds of thousands of cases a day of covid. Look at the hundreds of thousands of deaths since the 95% effective vaccines have been available. The mandates and restrictions are not going to slow the virus down at this point. The vaccines failed us. We all for the sake of society should be as realistic as possible about this virus and our response. We shouldn't just blindly blame everything on the 8% of people who didn't get the vaccine. That 8% did not make a significant difference. The difference was the vaccines didn't prevent transmission. The vaccines were not 95% effective at stopping death and hospitalization. We cannot control the virus at this point. If you at risk and value your health and safety, you should be social distancing / masking and forcing people to shutdown the economy and socially isolate themselves because we have done that and it doesn't work. It just destroys our economy, our youth's education, and increases crime and mental illness.

And again, I am sure as always, someone will post some idiotic reply how I am a nazi and I want everyone to die because no one can come up with a valid argument to my point. Lets see if there are any intelligent arguments made to my view instead of just shaming and blind loyalty to the "science".

Oh yea, fully vaccinated and boosted here just in case you are wondering.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657148]I am not saying we should do anything to speed up death for anyone who is at risk. I do not mean to disrespect anyone based on age or health. It is funny to me because it is so glaringly obvious that we cannot control this virus and whether or not we have lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel restrictions, etc. The same amount of people at this point are going to contract the virus. We might as well preserve our economy and freedom rather than destroy it in the name of politics, shaming, and fear mongering. I feel sorry for those affected by this virus, both young and old. The young losing out on normalcy during childhood and of course the elderly losing out at enjoying their golden years. As I have said before, this virus is a force of nature, it's like trying to control a hurricane, you can't to a certain degree. All you can do is minimize the damage it causes. I didn't need to do 12 hours of reading peer reviewed studies either to come to this conclusion. I am very concerned about real world problems like crime, inflation, and social isolation which is also wreaking havoc across society. Poor have gotten much poorer during this pandemic and it should addressed as much or if not more than vaccine mandates and travel tests for tourists.

I don't see how anyone can say what I wrote is insane, but I am sure haters will come out and spit venom because I am not a sheep in the herd.[/QUOTE]You have never been to Colombia based on your posting history. In fact based on your posting history you are a virgin. You probably mostly engage in felching.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657178]It's worth pointing out that most of the time, John Wayne Gacy was a decent citizen and member of the community.[/QUOTE]OMG, I kid you not one of my best friends in the world, near Chicago. She showed me fotos from her young niece's birthday party, and the clown was John Wayne Gacy. The fotos were just mixed in with all the other fotos, but she knew who it was. Nothing bad happened. Like you said, decent citizen and member of the community.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2657146]Right my bad. It was the Good life, and Felicity Kendal, the real star, was the second winner of rear of the year: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_of_the_Year[/URL].

It is amazing that contest is still going on in these days of PC.

Thing about Osteo's proclamation about truth is that you look at all these people who were wrong:

Joe Biden: You're Not Going To Get COVID If You Have These Vaccinations.

Tony Fauci: You Become A Dead End To The Virus.

Rochelle Walensky: "Vaccinated People Do Not Carry The Virus They Don't Get Sick. "

Alberta Bourla: "The COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing #COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%..[/QUOTE]Great as if the CCP exporting and flooding the world with slave-made toxic inferior trash isn't bad enough.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/op-ed/547534-digital-id-credit-system/[/URL]

Now there's this.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2657154]Lmfao, you're obviously too stupid to understand the full situation. I'm not saying that you're a terrible person but the consequences of the actions you're supporting are terrible.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I must be too stupid to understand so explain the full situation and the consequences since you are so smart. By the way, who are you to butt in? The others who responded and who I had addressed my comments to did so in a mature civil manner. Look in the mirror to see who is the stupid one. Keep laughing, it keeps you from talking and you only look like a fool rather than prove it.

Yet another topic that I should have previously listed in order to properly understand the Covid issues, probably next to the bell curve stuff, is of course p values and null hypotheses, basic stuff. I am certain I could come up with many more relevant topics if I put in the time and energy.

Assume for a moment you answered "yes" to all the topics I mentioned previously about what you needed to have for at least a working knowledge to understand the Covid issue. Then I would have to ask you, on what basis are your arguing your point? Do you have some secret inner knowledge or magic powers that enlightens only you and no one else in the world?

El Capo's story was the tip of the iceberg. Believable. That's not supposed to happen. Or let's say there is no utility in counting his outcome as a positive test result, because he wasn't sick. Or is there? Does he pass on the virus and make other people sick? And do they do the same? No one knows. People who tell you they know, don't know. That is the most common pitfall of people with above average intelligence, they don't know what they don't know.

There are significant enough errors in the totals of all the following data sets to render them unusable and corrupt:

People who didn't get "sick" but tested positive (Capo).

People who got sick and tested positive (this is the data set that needs the highest specificity) who lived or died (and highest positive predictive value).

People who got sick with Covid but tested negative, for numerous reasons, the least of which is not the unidentified mutations circulating in the population right now. Huge factor.

People who didn't get sick but tested negative and were still carrying and transmitting Covid with varying, unknown pathogenicity (significant, yet totally uncounted).

People who tested negative and died from Covid (you probably didn't even think of that one).

Not only are their significant numbers in each of these cohorts, except for perhaps the last one, the numbers are off by way more than a significant margin within each cohort. We have no idea of the accurate numbers in each cohort because of unreliability in testing, collecting data, and outcome measures. The exact mechanisms of those errors are many and beyond the scope of this answer. You could write a book about it and maybe I will.

That's what I am talking about when I tell you Covid is a giant clulsterfuck and shitshow. The train has left station. That ship has sailed. There is no valid data upon which we can draw useful conclusions about current state. If you happen to be right it is by intuition or dumb luck. That's why it is unnecessary for me to read all your posts about this because those of you who are arguing the loudest and the longest are the same ones who are the most clueless.

There is no giant conspiracy or any dominant force controlling anything with Covid other than nature, or God, or The Cosmic Blueberry Muffin, whichever you prefer. There may be groups that wish they could interject their control, but they can't, because you can't organize random mass chaos.

The reason everything is so unnatural right now is because this is the first major epidemic since the invention of the Internet, and just like assholes, everyone has an opinion and if they rant loud enough they can get heard.

We never should have intervened in the beginning, but now it's too late go back. No matter what we do, pretty much this virus is going to run a natural course. We may eventually get ahead of the eight ball with annual custom Covid vaccine shots. What does that remind you of? Fucking influenza A or flu shots for which we do exactly that already. Since everything I have predicted so far has come true with Covid, let me tell you how I believe it's going to end up.

You will get your annual Covid shot. They will mix it with flu vaccine to make it more convenient and you get protected from both Covid and flu each year with one stick. Somehow they will legislate it to be mandatory, which will be it's own separate clusterfuk. I don't know how many years it will take for this to happen, maybe 5-6? My guess is better than yours.

The Covid era will be history until the next new epidemic hits. And if we don't apply lessons learned from this pansy virus, and we get hit by a new virus with a seriously high attack and mortality rate, guess what kiddies? That's the end. The end of all of it. The end of mankind.

Every time someone on ISG says something Covid related like, "Oh, you did this so that happened" they are simply stroking their own ego by agreeing with themselves and their own preheld, biased, uninformed beliefs.

There is no good data to support any stance you take with Covid now. That is one reason why everyone gets so emotional because there is no valid data to back up their argument. There is no argument for current state. Intelligent and informed people should be discussing future state and lessons learned.

Maybe two or three of you have the intelligence and insight enough to understand this. I already admitted to my failure in being able to teach it. Oh, and BTW I did not look up one fucking thing on the Internet to write this. All on the fly. If a couple of you bend a little and realize the futility of your viewpoint then that will be the best for which I can hope, but for now, I am done. If you could grasp what I am teaching you then you would realize it doesn't matter what you believe or think about Covid up until now. Calm down. Relax. Move on or work on improving current state of Covid or the next public health debacle in the Internet Age. I am going back to concentrating on spreading love. Jajajjaja.

I told myself I would never get sucked into this argument, especially in a place like this, but you dragged me out of the piranha pool like a snarling, gnashing Pit Bull. Just like I solved your nagging Supply and Demand quandary, this one is also in the books. QED. Done.

Ostee Out, and as always, Keep On Keepin' On and obviously I love you guys or I wouldn't be doing this. I still owe you a treatise on why Intelligence is counterproductive in the mongering game, jajajajaa. Whut Whut? I might tidy this article up a bit and get it published in a more widespread, general venue. If that happens, I will let you know. But it needs to be professionally edited, first.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657229]You guys jump to extreme conclusions so fast. Why would you assume I want unhealthy people to die? This is such a common thing I see about the weirdos who view the vaccines like its 15th century religious sin to always go to extreme lengths to promote the vaccine and shame anyone who doesn't want it mandated. I never said anything close to wanting unhealthy people to die. You make yourself look so biased and unhinged when you attribute views to people that they don't support just to argue your opinion.

Again, just look at the hundreds of thousands of cases a day of covid. Look at the hundreds of thousands of deaths since the 95% effective vaccines have been available. The mandates and restrictions are not going to slow the virus down at this point. The vaccines failed us. We all for the sake of society should be as realistic as possible about this virus and our response. We shouldn't just blindly blame everything on the 8% of people who didn't get the vaccine. That 8% did not make a significant difference. The difference was the vaccines didn't prevent transmission. The vaccines were not 95% effective at stopping death and hospitalization. We cannot control the virus at this point. If you at risk and value your health and safety, you should be social distancing / masking and forcing people to shutdown the economy and socially isolate themselves because we have done that and it doesn't work. It just destroys our economy, our youth's education, and increases crime and mental illness..[/QUOTE]Read what you wrote. Old people die LOL. What's so funny about that? And you also said let the healthy live. You don't seem to be a Nazi at least not a real German Nazi. But you do seem to be a very angry person. Since you are so smart, what is your solution to the virus and where have you travelled in the last 3 years?

Evidently a lot less people really want these jabs than the numbers say. Making a digital trail is really a rookie mistake. Do your dirt, but for scammer sake don't put the evidence in the state's database!

"Two nurses on New York's Long Island are being charged with forging Covid-19 vaccination cards and entering the fake jabs in the state's database, a scam that allegedly raked in more than $1.5 million.

From November 2021 to January 2022, the pair allegedly forged vaccination cards, charging adults $220 apiece and $85 per child for a fake record that would land in the New York State Immunization Information System database. ".

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/29/long-island-nurses-charged-with-faking-covid-jabs-to-earn-more-than-1point5-million.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657148]I am not saying we should do anything to speed up death for anyone who is at risk. I do not mean to disrespect anyone based on age or health. It is funny to me because it is so glaringly obvious that we cannot control this virus and whether or not we have lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel restrictions, etc. The same amount of people at this point are going to contract the virus. We might as well preserve our economy and freedom rather than destroy it in the name of politics, shaming, and fear mongering. I feel sorry for those affected by this virus, both young and old. The young losing out on normalcy during childhood and of course the elderly losing out at enjoying their golden years. As I have said before, this virus is a force of nature, it's like trying to control a hurricane, you can't to a certain degree. All you can do is minimize the damage it causes. I didn't need to do 12 hours of reading peer reviewed studies either to come to this conclusion. I am very concerned about real world problems like crime, inflation, and social isolation which is also wreaking havoc across society. Poor have gotten much poorer during this pandemic and it should addressed as much or if not more than vaccine mandates and travel tests for tourists.

I don't see how anyone can say what I wrote is insane, but I am sure haters will come out and spit venom because I am not a sheep in the herd.[/QUOTE]Insane? Pretty close. I've got a bit of time to waste, so let's revisit it.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2655888]Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. At this point anyone advocating for vaccine mandates or crazy restrictions is not thinking clearly and following the "science". Even besides the "science", the people have spoke, no one gives a fuck anymore. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.[/QUOTE]"Old people die Huacho LOL."

Not only does your opening line demonstrate a complete lack of empathy, you tack on a LOL to show that the idea of people dying prematurely is funny to you. If you're arguing that your post wasn't insane, you're off to a bad start.

"You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. "

I'll give you a pass on the 2 years part, even though in the US, absolutely no attempt was made to control the virus until April 2020. Let's just focus on "we haven't been able to control. "

Every attempt at control has met with fierce resistance. There was even a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan because people didn't want to wear masks. There was only one 4 week period when the US made a real attempt to control the virus. It was effective. As soon as it became obvious we were having success almost everyone stopped following the measures which were successfully controlling the virus.

The insane part of your comment is your failure to comprehend that the US isn't the only country in the world. Kind of nutty.

Since the beginning of the pandemic about 0. 4% of the US population has died from Covid. Over the same period, 0. 02% of the Cambodian population has died from Covid. In Canada deaths account for 0. 09% of the population. Deaths in Germany 0. 01% of the population. New Zealand, 0. 002%, Singapore 0. 02%.

It seems obvious, once you recognize that the US isn't the only country in the world, that controlling the virus has been done quite well in other places.

I won't quote the rest, but twice you put quotes around science. Doing so indicates you're not talking about science. Were you unaware, or are you talking about some pseudoscience? I will agree that many people aren't following the science, which is why the US has sucked so much ass at attempting to control the virus.

Your final bit of lunacy; "people who are on their death beds anyway. " Again, a complete lack of empathy and a failure to understand anything about human life. Being 60,70 or 80 years old doesn't equal "on their death beds. " Having diabetes, a heart condition, COPD or any other condition which is a Covid comorbidity isn't "on their death beds. " I met a guy in Medellin who was over 70 and still making 3 or 4 mongering trips per year. Another guy on ISG is in his 80's and is having the time of his life. Probably half the people here are eligible for the senior citizen discount at Denny's. Yet you clearly consider them all to be disposable.

Back to your post at the top. You mentioned "destroy our economy. " I've been scoffing at that idea for nearly 2 years now. No economy, throughout history has ever been destroyed. Severely damaged, yes. Destroyed, no. The US economy grew over 1. 7% last quarter, which is equal to an annual rate of 6. 9%, the strongest growth in decades. If you're claiming we need to stop "fear mongering", while claiming a strong and growing economy is being destroyed, what you're doing is fear mongering.

You also said we need to stop shaming, I'm assuming your talking about shaming people who argue that people shouldn't get vaccinated. However, in practically every post you're trying to shame someone. Why do you constantly do things you claim shouldn't be done?

In conclusion, perhaps "insane" is a bit strong. "Deranged", "uninformed" or "out of touch" might be more accurate labels.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2657221]...If you want a serious discussion about what a human life costs, these are valued in civil courts every day. ...[/QUOTE]It's not about monetary cost at all if that is what you are getting at

Assume there is a population of 1 million and only 1 person is over 50, that person's age is 99. Assume there is no monetary cost to quarantine (means curfew, restrictions, tests) anyone, and the people younger than 50 will get the virus but none will die.

You can 1: Quarantine the old men, or you can 2: Quarantine the rest of the population, what is your choice, 1, or 2? And why?


[QUOTE=Huacho;2657221]All human lives should have equal value[/QUOTE]

I can agree with that. My question to you is how do you measure it? Purely by number of years lived? What if a person's live span is shorten but not dead, should the shorten live span be taken into consideration?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657225]Look man, I don't want to go back and forth with you all day. In all my life, I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. Seems really fucking strange to me. If I had to guess, you got to be full of shit and just trying to look noble in a filthy sex mongering forum. But if that's what really lights up your day, giving tens of thousands of dollars to total fucking strangers, then god bless you. You certainly don't need me to tell you what to do with your money.

Paulie has jumped in plenty of time and started shit with me over the vaccine shit. He's a big boy, he can handle it I am sure. Again, your posts are just weird and it bothers me. Are you really going back and reading and counting posts where I attacked people and keeping score? Again, you have way too much time on your hands. For the record, if you do go back and read my posts, I am usually responding to the hate and not starting it.[/QUOTE]You would help your cause immensely if you took the time to read and understand what you respond to. If you had properly understood my post there would be no need to go back and forth.

"Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). " Yet you respond " I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. "

I don't donate cash to charities. I help out people who, for whatever reason are in need. The reason is simple. Every non-profit organization uses some of the money for overhead, salaries, advertising, or political donations. If I wanted to pay people to decide which people deserve assistance, I'd start my own charity.

Someone's house burns down and they lose everything, I spend some money helping them recover. Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help.

You don't have to guess about what I do with my money. Although your guess is hilarious, since you label ISG as a "filthy sex mongering forum." There's some serious self-hate in that label. You obviously monger, but you consider mongering as filthy. Perhaps we've found the core of your anger.

If my posts are weird and they bother you, it appears the problem lies with you. You claim I'm here 24/7 writing dozens of posts, so I went and looked. That's part of the process of gaining knowledge. If you just blindly accept what you're told, you learn nothing and often end up looking like a fool.

Since I looked at my post history, it made sense to look at yours. At that point you only had 109 posts. It took 2 minutes to scan through and count how many were posted in this thread. Since you now post exclusively in this thread, you're making yourself look worse with every post.

Paulie has jumped in and attacked you many times? Go ask mommy to kiss it and make it better. Then, after you dry your tears, explain why you decided to include me in your response to Paulie. If you had left me out of your rant, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

With each of your posts, you make yourself look worse. You attack Paulie because, in your fantasy, he does nothing to help others. Then you attack me because I do too much to help others. Meanwhile, it appears you do nothing to help others.

Except for your job, the thing you get paid to do, which helps others. In other words, you won't help others, unless you are getting paid to do it. Every job that everyone does helps others. From ditch diggers to dishwashers, plumbers to physicians, every job helps others.

Speaking of your job, your health plan probably includes mental health screening. You might benefit from taking advantage of that particular benefit.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2657264]OMG, I kid you not one of my best friends in the world, near Chicago. She showed me fotos from her young niece's birthday party, and the clown was John Wayne Gacy. The fotos were just mixed in with all the other fotos, but she knew who it was. Nothing bad happened. Like you said, decent citizen and member of the community.[/QUOTE]That's the big picture reality. Almost everyone is a decent citizen and member of the community. It's become cliche. Whenever someone commits an atrocity, there are friends, neighbors, old teachers all saying how the perpetrator was just a normal citizen.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2657221]I did not personally profit from the pandemic[/QUOTE]So why should anyone listen to you now?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2657221]I did not suffer financially from COVID. But, emotionally it was a vast wasteland and I think I'm fully recovered from that, but I'll never be sure. Severe lockdowns where I was reminded me of jail and may have scarred me a bit more. I went six months without pussy and had to survive on beer and weed.[/QUOTE]Then you suffered more than anyone I personally know who had Covid, even people who got admitted to the hospital, which begs the same question, why would anyone listen to you now?

Unlike you, I have been in the Lion's den with Covid. I have seen people with oxygen saturations not compatible with life for long, huffing and puffing with Covid, and I have been exposed. But I have not let Covid slow my life down at all.

I am on the empty beaches, the half full flights, the discounted hotel rooms, and am banging all the hotties guys like you have left behind. When Colombia closed, I bagged Mexican babes. When Colombia opened back up, I was like a kid in a candy store.

And the biggest difference between us? You believe the media! Ha ha ha ha!

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2657421]Yet another topic that I should have previously listed in order to properly understand the Covid issues, probably next to the bell curve stuff, is of course p values and null hypotheses, basic stuff. I am certain I could come up with many more relevant topics if I put in the time and energy.

Assume for a moment you answered "yes" to all the topics I mentioned previously about what you needed to have for at least a working knowledge to understand the Covid issue. Then I would have to ask you, on what basis are your arguing your point? Do you have some secret inner knowledge or magic powers that enlightens only you and no one else in the world?

El Capo's story was the tip of the iceberg. Believable. That's not supposed to happen. Or let's say there is no utility in counting his outcome as a positive test result, because he wasn't sick. Or is there? Does he pass on the virus and make other people sick? And do they do the same? No one knows. People who tell you they know, don't know. That is the most common pitfall of people with above average intelligence, they don't know what they don't know.

There are significant enough errors in the totals of all the following data sets to render them unusable and corrupt:

People who didn't get "sick" but tested positive (Capo).

People who got sick and tested positive (this is the data set that needs the highest specificity) who lived or died (and highest positive predictive value).

People who got sick with Covid but tested negative, for numerous reasons, the least of which is not the unidentified mutations circulating in the population right now. Huge factor.

People who didn't get sick but tested negative and were still carrying and transmitting Covid with varying, unknown pathogenicity (significant, yet totally uncounted).

People who tested negative and died from Covid (you probably didn't even think of that one).

Not only are their significant numbers in each of these cohorts, except for perhaps the last one, the numbers are off by way more than a significant margin within each cohort. We have no idea of the accurate numbers in each cohort because of unreliability in testing, collecting data, and outcome measures. The exact mechanisms of those errors are many and beyond the scope of this answer. You could write a book about it and maybe I will.

That's what I am talking about when I tell you Covid is a giant clulsterfuck and shitshow. The train has left station. That ship has sailed. There is no valid data upon which we can draw useful conclusions about current state. If you happen to be right it is by intuition or dumb luck. That's why it is unnecessary for me to read all your posts about this because those of you who are arguing the loudest and the longest are the same ones who are the most clueless.

There is no giant conspiracy or any dominant force controlling anything with Covid other than nature, or God, or The Cosmic Blueberry Muffin, whichever you prefer. There may be groups that wish they could interject their control, but they can't, because you can't organize random mass chaos.

The reason everything is so unnatural right now is because this is the first major epidemic since the invention of the Internet, and just like assholes, everyone has an opinion and if they rant loud enough they can get heard..[/QUOTE]You have a few omissions in your data irregularity discussion. The main one is people who were never tested.

As far as data collection goes, it has never been perfect and never will be. Yet, imperfect data is collected, analyzed and used daily. The pinnacle of your professional career depended entirely on imperfect data.

That's the inherent problem with any scientific endeavor. You do the best you can with the best data you can get. Then you work to improve your data and improve your understanding. This is the reason why the pinnacle of science is the Theory (as opposed to a theory, which people use any time they make a wild ass guess).

A Theory is the best explanation currently available, which accounts for all available data without contradiction. If there is a contradiction, the theory must be changed. When more and better data becomes available, the theory must be changed. It's a process of constant improvement.

Letting the virus run unchecked from the beginning, would have been the tough love approach, sink or swim. Technically, that's exactly what the US did for about 3 months. Would that have been more beneficial in the long run? Your guess is no better than mine. Rates of mutation are variable, however, more infections increases the probability of mutation. Unfortunately, mutation has no predetermined vector. A virus doesn't prefer to mutate towards higher infection rates and lower fatality rates. There is always the possibility of a variant with a much higher CFR. At what level do you decide that doing nothing doesn't work?

It's like this:

[URL]https://youtu.be/RYbyExBu1mk[/URL]

My casualty response philosophy was instilled in me in the Navy. Letting a fire burn itself out isn't an option when you're 400' below the surface. Taking the minimal approach also isn't a good idea. The only consistently effective solution is to throw everything you have at the problem.

Would that have worked? It seems to have been effective in several countries. Even if you don't completely extinguish the pandemic, you buy time to develop better protective measures, better treatment options and develop vaccines. All of that buys you more time, better treatment, improved acquired immunity, better vaccines.

However, Pandora has already done her thing and it can't be undone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657457]Evidently a lot less people really want these jabs than the numbers say.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is crazy to believe that people do not want to be vaccinated twice with an experimental product for a virus with a 0.16% hospitalization rate. Oh, I am sorry I should have said vaccinated thrice. By the time I am done typing this, we will probably be at being vaccinated 4 X.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657457]Making a digital trail is really a rookie mistake. Do your dirt, but for scammer sake don't put the evidence in the state's database![/QUOTE]Yeah, a buddy of mine asked me to ask the Mexicans about a vaccine card, and I forgot to ask. That is probably how I would do it. Get a foreign card. We were serenaded with guys in Cabo wanting to sell us cocaine, molly, and pot. I kind of wonder what those guys would have said about getting a fake vaccine card. The way the vaccine Nazis are I could just imagine the response, "We do not sell dangerous stuff like vaccine cards, only safe stuff like cocaine."

[QUOTE=JustTK;2655641]Another one for Elvis.

Superb discussion. Have you heard much of Brett Weinstein? Intelligence is one thing he is not lacking.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_KpBzFrcY[/URL][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Osteoknot;2657421]
That's what I am talking about when I tell you Covid is a giant clulsterfuck and shitshow. The train has left station. That ship has sailed. There is no valid data upon which we can draw useful conclusions about current state. If you happen to be right it is by intuition or dumb luck. That's why it is unnecessary for me to read all your posts about this because those of you who are arguing the loudest and the longest are the same ones who are the most clueless.

There is no giant conspiracy or any dominant force controlling anything with Covid other than nature, or God, or The Cosmic Blueberry Muffin, whichever you prefer. There may be groups that wish they could interject their control, but they can't, because you can't organize random mass chaos.[/QUOTE]Osteo's latest blowhard proclamation got me thinking about how much had changed and how little people know about it.

JustTK, I did not get what Weinstein and his cohost here were talking about insects when I listened to this podcast, and it is because they skipped a step. Weinstein was saying that there are waaay less insects than they were, and his cohost agreed with him, and I thought that was just some worthless anecdotal statement.

Maybe you have heard of CRISPR (Osteo probably thinks it is a way to make a better salad) but basically it is a way to do like a computer and cut, copy, and paste genetic material, and it too is cheap, very cheap in that world.

So here is an article on the use of CRISPR, and once I read it, I got what Weinstein was talking about: [URL]https://www.cnet.com/news/the-crispr-machines-that-can-wipe-out-entire-species/[/URL].

Applying the technique to a population of malaria-carrying mosquitoes? Well, that might change the world.

In September 2018, a research team at Imperial College, London, led by Andrea Crisanti and featuring pioneer Austin Burt, revealed it had generated a CRISPR gene drive that caused a total population collapse in lab-bred Anopheles gambiae mosquitoes.

The researchers targeted a gene known as doublesex, which acts like a gatekeeper that decides whether a mosquito becomes a male or a female. By altering this gene, the team was able to breed female mosquitoes that were infertile and had mouthparts that could not draw blood. In essence, they flipped a genetic switch that caused females to develop more like males.

As soon as I read this, I knew what Weinstein was referring to and maybe he could not just say what he meant. He was implying these scientific fuckers have already been doing it. They are fucking with insect populations right now, and I am not sure there is any way to catch them doing it.

Fauci is such an arrogant ass he turned back on gain of function research after being told not to and caused the whole fucking pandemic. The irony is how few people get it. The fucker should be in jail, yet so many people want to put a medal on him.

Weinstein's point is well taken. What now? We know these fuckers are so arrogant they think they can contain or control whatever mess they create, and Covid is and was proof that they cannot.

The other irony and this is the scary part Weinstein referred to: these scientists can control the narrative, and you can see how many people, even on here, have bought so much of the crap these "scientists" have been selling even to their personal detriment like Huacho.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657502]You would help your cause immensely if you took the time to read and understand what you respond to. If you had properly understood my post there would be no need to go back and forth.

"Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). " Yet you respond " I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. "

I don't donate cash to charities. I help out people who, for whatever reason are in need. The reason is simple. Every non-profit organization uses some of the money for overhead, salaries, advertising, or political donations. If I wanted to pay people to decide which people deserve assistance, I'd start my own charity.

Someone's house burns down and they lose everything, I spend some money helping them recover. Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help.

You don't have to guess about what I do with my money. Although your guess is hilarious, since you label ISG as a "filthy sex mongering forum." There's some serious self-hate in that label. You obviously monger, but you consider mongering as filthy. Perhaps we've found the core of your anger.

If my posts are weird and they bother you, it appears the problem lies with you. You claim I'm here 24/7 writing dozens of posts, so I went and looked. That's part of the process of gaining knowledge. If you just blindly accept what you're told, you learn nothing and often end up looking like a fool.

Since I looked at my post history, it made sense to look at yours. At that point you only had 109 posts. It took 2 minutes to scan through and count how many were posted in this thread. Since you now post exclusively in this thread, you're making yourself look worse with every post.

Paulie has jumped in and attacked you many times? Go ask mommy to kiss it and make it better. Then, after you dry your tears, explain why you decided to include me in your response to Paulie. If you had left me out of your rant, we wouldn't be having this discussion..[/QUOTE]You are weird. I am not saying weird is bad either, but you are a very weird man 100%. You walk around and just hand money out to random people. Its strange man. It seems like you need to buy love and friends with money. You seem pathetic and sad. I actually feel bad for you, I hope you buy yourself some comfort. Still weird, but I honestly feel sad and I ll back off the donating money thing out of pity for a poor old soul. I don't believe in kicking a man when he is down and you have obviously fallen very low to have to give money to strangers to feel some type of love or worth or whatever it is your handing money out to strangers for.

You donating money doesn't bother me, what bothers me is you attack others all the time and can't back up your attacks with facts or logic.

If you must know about me helping people. When I was in my twenties, I did a lot of work related to my career that I wasn't directly paid for. I have grown up since and my time is important to me and I do not work for free anymore. That doesn't make me a bad person, my work is quite valuable and few have the skill, credentials, physical strength, mental strength, or determination to work at my level. My compensation is very fair for the work I do. That is how a free market works. Most men would never have made it through what I have to perform the job that I do and I certainly don't do it for free anymore and will never again. If your a bump on a log and you have never dedicated yourself to a skill or craft, that's a waste of talent in my eyes. If all of society acted like that, it doesn't make for a very productive society, think Cuba or Venezuela.

Look, again I will state that I didn't mean to shatter the feelings of the snowflakes here when I said old people die. Look, its a shitty reality of life. We can't base national policy off saving cancer patients in their 70's and 80's. Its not logical. It is funny to me, that people are so biased they actually can't see that or they know it and are so devoted to their cause they won't admit it publicly or even on an anonymous forum.

Don't blame people for the virus. The virus was spreading no matter what. That's what viruses do. Outside of a total 3 month 100% lockdown, you were not stopping the virus. Biden wasn't stopping it and nether was Trump. Like I have said before, all you can do is let people live their lives, make vaccines available, make masks available, social distance, and other things to slow it down a little, but we can't control it. Had the vaccines actually been close to 90% effective, maybe we could have controlled, but I "think", my "opinion", we were all lied to.

When did I say the US is the only country in the world? But whatever you need to vent and make shit up about again because you can't muster a solid argument.

As for the economy, I live in the real world, interact and work in an urban environment everyday. Look, the poorest people in the country got hit fucking hard from this. They got poorer with out a doubt. Inflation didn't help ether. Crime is bad and people are desperate like I have never seen them. Doing desperate things to make ends meet. Its fucking sad man. Maybe the economy did grow, but I guarantee you the lower class are not better off than before the pandemic. 100% I guarantee that.

I am referring to shaming people who oppose vaccine mandates when we have close to a million cases of covid a day. Some countries want to mandate vaccines for truckers who work by themselves and there is a supply chain shortage. Yea those people need to chill and not shame someone who doesn't support mandates and just wants to work and feed his or her family.

One last final thing, you wrote absolutely nothing valid to any of my arguments. Again, you just look like a sad old soul LOL. It is what it is I guess.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657437]Read what you wrote. Old people die LOL. What's so funny about that? And you also said let the healthy live. You don't seem to be a Nazi at least not a real German Nazi. But you do seem to be a very angry person. Since you are so smart, what is your solution to the virus and where have you travelled in the last 3 years?[/QUOTE]Its funny how stupid people can be. I am not laughing at people dying and if you weren't so blindly loyal to your vaccine religion shit, you would have easily understood the actual meaning of my post. You really want to create national policy around people with cancer or diabetes in their 80's dying? It doesn't seem to be the healthiest thing for "all" of society. Again, you can twist my words and put your illogical biased spin on things to make yourself feel good, but I was never laughing at people dying, just laughing at your stupidity.

There is no solution at this point. You are not going to stop the virus. We should be told the truth about how effective the vaccines really were. Let people at least hold on to their jobs and keep the economy strong. Keep the schools open so our youth can receive a proper education and childhood. One thing I will give Biden credit for is he kept things open mostly.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2657244]You have never been to Colombia based on your posting history. In fact based on your posting history you are a virgin. You probably mostly engage in felching.[/QUOTE]Huachoooooooooo Libreeeeeeeeeee LOL. Huancho, mi amigo, lets get "tacos" some time and drink a few "cervezas". I'll buy because your probably a little "short" on cash. You seem like a bueno amigo hahaha.

LOL, this isn't an attach ether, he jumped in first, I am only responding to "mi mejor amigo".

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657472]Insane? Pretty close. I've got a bit of time to waste, so let's revisit it.

"Old people die Huacho LOL."

Not only does your opening line demonstrate a complete lack of empathy, you tack on a LOL to show that the idea of people dying prematurely is funny to you. If you're arguing that your post wasn't insane, you're off to a bad start.

"You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. "

I'll give you a pass on the 2 years part, even though in the US, absolutely no attempt was made to control the virus until April 2020. Let's just focus on "we haven't been able to control. "

Every attempt at control has met with fierce resistance. There was even a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan because people didn't want to wear masks. There was only one 4 week period when the US made a real attempt to control the virus. It was effective. As soon as it became obvious we were having success almost everyone stopped following the measures which were successfully controlling the virus..[/QUOTE]Let's be clear where you stand. So anyone who doesn't support lockdowns at this point is deranged? Anyone who doesn't support vaccine mandates is deranged? Don't go on some weird rant, just answer the question.

What country besides China has controlled the virus? Okay, maybe there is a dozen other smaller nations that did. Do you 100% believe China, a nation of 1.3 billion people are telling the full truth about the covid response in their country?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657521]You have a few omissions in your data irregularity discussion. The main one is people who were never tested.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately for your point of view, you got sucked into the most classic wormhole of all time, and you supported my side of the argument by pointing out my omission. Thank you, and I mean that sincerely. We agree more than disagree.

For the sake of the forum, and for me to shift my scattered attention back onto why I am here in Medellin in the first place, you may certainly have the last word if that suits you.

If we ever happen to meet up, I would be happy to bring up the topic again, if you wish. Gracias.

P.S. What you referred to as a pinnacle of my career I view as the nadir. Go figure, jaajja. Two opposites in one post that I can see. Your link was great, it felt so apropos and yet I don't know why, jajajjaa. Ostee Out.

Jjbirdbrain goes into his long-winded posts criticizing others, often implying their lack of intelligence. Here's a couple of examples of his intelligence:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657502]Every job that everyone does helps others.[/QUOTE]He must consider bodily functions as jobs, since I believe those are the only things that everyone does.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657472]You also said we need to stop shaming, I'm assuming your talking about shaming people who argue that people shouldn't get vaccinated.[/QUOTE]He appears to not know the proper punctuation to use, and he doesn't know when to use "you're" instead of "your".

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657612]Look, the poorest people in the country got hit fucking hard from this. They got poorer with out a doubt. Inflation didn't help ether. Crime is bad and people are desperate like I have never seen them. Doing desperate things to make ends meet. Its fucking sad man.[/QUOTE]It is fucking sad, but the poorest people did not get hit hard or get poorer. Nobody is doing anything desperate to make any ends meet.

Crime is up because they made it public they would not arrest people for certain crimes. Therefore someone can go into a store and pick up $999 worth of shit and just walk right out with it, because they won't be arrested unless the value of the theft is $1000.

The government gave out and is still giving out free money and had rent moratoriums all over to help out the poor and hurt the mortgage holders the poor was paying rent to. Many people were able to quit their jobs in order to get more money from the government to stay home than they were making by working. My daughter did not even finish high school, but thanks to all the free money she is getting for her and her kids she was able to buy an Acura SUV. It will be interesting to see how she pays for it and the maintenance when the money stops.

There are tons of businesses desperate for new employees that they are doing things such as giving sign up bonuses and giving daily paychecks. But those you say are desperate and doing anything to try to make ends meet, are not desperate enough to go get one of those jobs. The lower class in the USA is definitely better off now than before the pandemic.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657617]We should be told the truth about how effective the vaccines really were.[/QUOTE]Seems the problem is people believing all they are told and nothing they are seeing or experiencing. After all the hard-nosing, #1 mandate champion Justin Trudeau was just announced to have covid. Lot of good that BS did him.

How many NBA players have been vaxed and contracted covid? Several of them have. Meanwhile Kyrie Irving is not allowed to play basketball in New York because he will not get vaccinated and has not caught any covid. At this point even a blind person can see the truth of how effective the shit is and should not need to be told.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657612]You are weird. I am not saying weird is bad either, but you are a very weird man 100%. You walk around and just hand money out to random people. Its strange man. It seems like you need to buy love and friends with money. You seem pathetic and sad. I actually feel bad for you, I hope you buy yourself some comfort. Still weird, but I honestly feel sad and I ll back off the donating money thing out of pity for a poor old soul. I don't believe in kicking a man when he is down and you have obviously fallen very low to have to give money to strangers to feel some type of love or worth or whatever it is your handing money out to strangers for.

You donating money doesn't bother me, what bothers me is you attack others all the time and can't back up your attacks with facts or logic.

If you must know about me helping people. When I was in my twenties, I did a lot of work related to my career that I wasn't directly paid for. I have grown up since and my time is important to me and I do not work for free anymore. That doesn't make me a bad person, my work is quite valuable and few have the skill, credentials, physical strength, mental strength, or determination to work at my level. My compensation is very fair for the work I do. That is how a free market works. Most men would never have made it through what I have to perform the job that I do and I certainly don't do it for free anymore and will never again. If your a bump on a log and you have never dedicated yourself to a skill or craft, that's a waste of talent in my eyes. If all of society acted like that, it doesn't make for a very productive society, think Cuba or Venezuela.

Look, again I will state that I didn't mean to shatter the feelings of the snowflakes here when I said old people die. Look, its a shitty reality of life. We can't base national policy off saving cancer patients in their 70's and 80's. Its not logical. It is funny to me, that people are so biased they actually can't see that or they know it and are so devoted to their cause they won't admit it publicly or even on an anonymous forum.

Don't blame people for the virus. The virus was spreading no matter what. That's what viruses do. Outside of a total 3 month 100% lockdown, you were not stopping the virus. Biden wasn't stopping it and nether was Trump..[/QUOTE]You wouldn't know a fact or logic if they were both tag team face fucking you. You use neither in your responses and have dodged both in every reply anyone has posted to you. Each of your posts is a continuous blather of logical fallacies combined with irrationality.

Again, you need to read and understand what you have read if you ever want to be seen as anything other than an insane troll.

Never have I said nor insinuated I "walk around and hand out money to random people. "Yet, that's what your deranged, damaged mind sees when I said "Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help."

Also again, if you hadn't chosen to pull me into your bitchy little twat fight, my use of my money would have never been mentioned. Accept responsibility for your lunatic behavior.

The economy. You're the one, on a psychotic break, who used the claim about destroying our economy. The economy and the plight of people living in poverty are not the same thing. If your complaint is about the effects on those living in poverty, don't talk about the economy.

Here's another tidbit of insanity from you: you pretend concern for those living in poverty, but you go complete Unibomber when I say that I help out people who are suffering and require assistance.

You just go on living in that fractured hall of mirrors which is your mind. I'll munch on my healthy snacks and wait for your next trip down crazy highway.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657472] You also said we need to stop shaming, I'm assuming your talking about shaming people who argue that people shouldn't get vaccinated.[/QUOTE]Who the hell ever argued that people should not get vaccinated? Last I saw there were people arguing that everyone should have to get vaccinated and others arguing that it should be a person's choice on whether to get vaccinated. Nobody is out there trying to stop those that want to get vaccinated do just that.

Why do you guys keep saying this dumb shit? There is pro mandate and pro choice, not pro mandate and anti vaccination. The people that do not want the vax, do not want it for themselves. They are not anti anybody else getting it.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657624]Let's be clear where you stand. So anyone who doesn't support lockdowns at this point is deranged? Anyone who doesn't support vaccine mandates is deranged? Don't go on some weird rant, just answer the question.[/QUOTE]I see they took off your straitjacket again.

Here's another pro-tip for you: If you want me to answer a question, you need to post a question for me to answer. Rhetorical questions don't count. In case you're unclear on the concept of "rhetorical questions", your two questions above are rhetorical. Since you asked 2 similar questions, then asked me to "answer the question", those questions are clearly not meant to be answered. I've never said, nor insinuated either. I've pointed out that you're deranged, but that's something you illustrate with every post. In the future, ask the question, before asking for my answer.

[QUOTE]What country besides China has controlled the virus? Okay, maybe there is a dozen other smaller nations that did. Do you 100% believe China, a nation of 1.3 billion people are telling the full truth about the covid response in their country?[/QUOTE]Are you completely off your meds today? Did I mention China? I don't recall mentioning China. A quick review of my post shows no mention of China. Why are you bringing up China?

Why are you asking me what other countries have controlled the virus, when I already listed a small sampling of countries which controlled the virus? Is your insanity the result of untreated syphilis? Did you eat mercury as a child? Excessive exposure to lead? I listed 5 countries, none of which are China and you feign ignorance and start talking about China. Discussions about your sanity are warranted.

To make it more insane you say there might be other small nations which controlled the virus. Canada is the second largest nation on earth. Did you instead mean countries with a low population density? Singapore has the third highest population density. Perhaps you just meant countries with a small population? It's difficult to tell with an insane person. The fourth most populous country is Indonesia. Of their population of 273.5 million, 144 k have died from Covid, 0. 05% of the population. Would you prefer Pakistan, the 5th most populous country? The number is 0. 01%. Compare those numbers to the US, where 0. 4% of the population has died from Covid.

Go back to your padded cell. I'm sure someone will be by with your medication soon. Say Hello, to Nurse Ratched for me.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2657776]Jjbirdbrain goes into his long-winded posts criticizing others, often implying their lack of intelligence. Here's a couple of examples of his intelligence:

He must consider bodily functions as jobs, since I believe those are the only things that everyone does.

He appears to not know the proper punctuation to use, and he doesn't know when to use "you're" instead of "your".[/QUOTE]Dementia acting up again?

Your inability to comprehend a simple concept doesn't invalidate the concept.

Every job helps people. Bodily functions are not a consideration, although it's probably time to change your adult diaper.

1. The employer benefits from the employee. No business can succeed if their employees cost more than they produce.

2. The businesses the employee visits benefit from the money the employee spends, money earned from the job.

3. The state government benefits from the employee. They collect more taxes and pay fewer benefits.

4. If the employee has dependents (not the same thing as the Depends you wear), they benefit from the job.

5. The employee benefits from the job, not only from the income, but also from improved mental health. However, you're beyond the point where employment could overcome your issues.

6. If the employee rents a home or buys a car, more people benefit from the job.

7. Most businesses are interdependent. One employee usually has a positive impact on many other businesses.

Ah yes. If you can't dispute the content of a post, grammatical errors are the way to go. Certainly, if someone posts enough, at some point they'll make a mistake.

However, it makes you look rather pathetic, in your case, more pathetic. In the post you quote mined, I used "your" and "you're" 11 times, with only the final use being incorrect. Shall I go through more posts, or would you accept that correct usage at least 90.9% of the time at a minimum suggests I do understand correct usage? The only other option is to believe that I'm lucky beyond belief, guessing right 10 out of 11 times.

Seriously, change that diaper. It's obvious enough that you're full of shit. There's no need to smell like it.

If it was anyone else, I would be baffled. There have been several people on this thread who have claimed people are stupid, deluded, pandering to big pharma, suffering from Dunning Kruger and are suckers for getting vaccinated. You're one of them, as I've illustrated below. There are countless sources, on every platform, claiming the vaccines are dangerous and shouldn't be allowed. Yet, you claim that nobody has ever come out as opposed to vaccination for others?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657813]Who the hell ever argued that people should not get vaccinated? Last I saw there were people arguing that everyone should have to get vaccinated and others arguing that it should be a person's choice on whether to get vaccinated. Nobody is out there trying to stop those that want to get vaccinated do just that.

Why do you guys keep saying this dumb shit? There is pro mandate and pro choice, not pro mandate and anti vaccination. The people that do not want the vax, do not want it for themselves. They are not anti anybody else getting it.[/QUOTE]Your previous post gave me hope. It was sensical and you made some valid points. Couldn't you have at least remained in touch with reality for 10 more minutes?

This might be beyond your ability to understand. When someone posts that the vaccines are ineffective, that they pose greater health risks than the virus, or that people are stupid for getting vaccinated, what are they really saying? Are they saying, everyone should make the decision on vaccination on their own? Or are they attempting to discourage people from getting vaccinated?

What about people who gloat about being unvaccinated and haven't had Covid? For example:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2627585].

I am not against vaccination by the way. But I am going to drag JustTK into this because me and him were 2 unvaccinated fools hanging out together partially wearing masks all over the cesspool of downtown Medellin. I don't know about JustTK, but I felt fine in the days after, and even took a covid test that turned out to be what? NEGATIVE![/QUOTE]Especially if they preceded such a statement by pointing out someone who was vaccinated and became infected, it certainly appears to be an attempt to illustrate that it's inadvisable to get vaccinated.

Or perhaps someone who brings up a (possibly fictional) Mexican chick who they claim was fully vaccinated, but managed to have 2 separate Covid infections in less than a month (medically, something which appears to be impossible)? Then, when questioned, claims to be in possession of documentation proving the claim? What message would that person be trying to send?

How about a person who posts something like this:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2655244]LOL. One of my chicks in Colombia just struck positive after having 3 doses. She said her 62 year old father has had zero doses and is as negative as can be. Yeah looks like the old saying is true about a sucker being born every minute.[/QUOTE]Granted, it's entirely anecdotal, up to the last sentence.

[QUOTE]Yeah looks like the old saying is true about a sucker being born every minute.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but taken in context it appears to be saying that people who get vaccinated are suckers. Did I misread that?

This is off the subject, but worth mentioning. How did someone in Colombia get 2 initial doses of a vaccine and then get a booster dose? Unless they were very old (which seems unlikely with a 62 year old father), they would have needed to wait 6 months (which was reduced to 4 months on Jan 11) after receiving the second dose. Obviously I can't speak for everyone, but the girls I've talked to about vaccination said they were scheduling the 2nd dose 3 months after the first dose. Assuming a person under 35, first dose, June or July, second dose in September or October, with the earliest possible third dose on January 12. It certainly seems unlikely that of the relatively few people, of a reasonable age, in Colombia, who have received a third dose (since booster doses weren't available in Colombia until mid December), you would not only know one, but you would know one with an unvaccinated father.

Again, this is just anecdotal evidence from me, but the vaccine acceptance in Colombia appears to run along family lines. The families I know tend to be vaccinated from the oldest to the youngest. I won't call your post 100% bullshit, but it certainly seems to be leaning towards the "pants on fire" level on the veracity scale.

I could have just pointed out that the bit of my post you quoted clearly states I was assuming the person I replied to was referring to people are anti-vax. But, that approach grossly limits all of the opportunities to illustrate your foolishness.

I'm on the record that vaccination is a matter of choice. It's like making up bullshit anecdotes to try and make a point which you claim to not be making. It's entirely voluntary.

I've never said the government should mandate vaccination. I have pointed out that the government has long mandated various types of vaccines for members of the military. I've pointed out that there have been many other things which the government has mandated throughout history. But those things are merely to show the hypocrisy of people arguing against mandates for the military, or against 1 particular, hypothetical mandate, when they've accepted hundreds of other mandates. I've also pointed out the hypocrisy of people arguing against "Big Pharma", when they have previously asked for or given information on buying generic Viagra in Colombia.

One other thing I've stated is that regardless of your personal stance on vaccination, you are subject to limitations based on vaccination status. If your employer requires vaccination and you fake it, you're subject to termination, if you get caught. If a country requires vaccination for entry and you fake it, if caught you face penalties. You can argue that getting caught won't happen, but everyone who gets caught for anything went in with the belief they wouldn't get caught.

Back to business.

However, private employers which require vaccination, I fully support. I'm assuming everyone, certainly everyone who leans politically towards the conservative viewpoint supports that as well. Hasn't that been a major conservative talking point for decades? Removing government regulation from private companies? Demanding that businesses not be allowed to make business decisions seems anti-capitalist.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657788]It is fucking sad, but the poorest people did not get hit hard or get poorer. Nobody is doing anything desperate to make any ends meet.

Crime is up because they made it public they would not arrest people for certain crimes. Therefore someone can go into a store and pick up $999 worth of shit and just walk right out with it, because they won't be arrested unless the value of the theft is $1000.

The government gave out and is still giving out free money and had rent moratoriums all over to help out the poor and hurt the mortgage holders the poor was paying rent to. Many people were able to quit their jobs in order to get more money from the government to stay home than they were making by working. My daughter did not even finish high school, but thanks to all the free money she is getting for her and her kids she was able to buy an Acura SUV. It will be interesting to see how she pays for it and the maintenance when the money stops.

There are tons of businesses desperate for new employees that they are doing things such as giving sign up bonuses and giving daily paychecks. But those you say are desperate and doing anything to try to make ends meet, are not desperate enough to go get one of those jobs. The lower class in the USA is definitely better off now than before the pandemic.[/QUOTE]Well I don't have any hard facts to back up my claim and I fully admit I haven't intensely reviewed huge studies on the topic, but I do work in an urban environment full time, and I regularly deal with the cops, firemen, teachers, and nurses in the city that I live. We all say same shit, city has never been this bad since pandemic. Very strange acts of crime being committed by drug addicts who are mentally ill, youth gun violence, overdoses, long lines at the homeless shelters, etc. The city that I live in, it really looks like things have gotten worse for the lower class. It's burning a lot of city employees out too, a lot of people itching to retire these days. The people you are referring too are people who are quite capable of working if they want to, the people I am referring to have fallen off that edge and no matter how many jobs are available, they ain't getting hired or holding one down. Those number of people, "undesirables", have increased in my opinion. It sure seems like it to me anyway. Again, just my opinion.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657825]I see they took off your straitjacket again.

Here's another pro-tip for you: If you want me to answer a question, you need to post a question for me to answer. Rhetorical questions don't count. In case you're unclear on the concept of "rhetorical questions", your two questions above are rhetorical. Since you asked 2 similar questions, then asked me to "answer the question", those questions are clearly not meant to be answered. I've never said, nor insinuated either. I've pointed out that you're deranged, but that's something you illustrate with every post. In the future, ask the question, before asking for my answer.

Are you completely off your meds today? Did I mention China? I don't recall mentioning China. A quick review of my post shows no mention of China. Why are you bringing up China?

Why are you asking me what other countries have controlled the virus, when I already listed a small sampling of countries which controlled the virus? Is your insanity the result of untreated syphilis? Did you eat mercury as a child? Excessive exposure to lead? I listed 5 countries, none of which are China and you feign ignorance and start talking about China. Discussions about your sanity are warranted..[/QUOTE]I knew you wouldn't be able to just answer a simple question haha. I asked about China because I was genuinely interested in your opinion on the topic. And your response confirmed to me that you are too sensitive and triggered about the subject to ever have any type of meaningful debate and I am wasting forum space. At least I pointed out to everyone how sensitive and unstable you are and they too should not put any weight into your posts. Your posts are worthless and you blinded by your anger.

Canada has had 3 million covid cases, you call that controlling the virus? Indonesia and Pakistan have had huge covid numbers as well as had the vast majority of nations on Earth. And the reason Pakistan and Indoneisa have lower covid numbers than USA is because most of their people can't afford testing. We will never know the real numbers of those nations. You are just so clearly clawing to anything that can resemble an argument that it just shows people who you really are, an angry old man who has no ability to look at things objectively anymore because of your biased politics.

Pakistan-1. 5 million cases, yea they really controlled the virus LOL. Indonesia 4. 3 million hahahaha. Global cases 376 million, yea the world did a great job controlling covid. You argue a great point JJB LOL.

I am waiting for another reply from you trying to attack my mental health, LOL on an anonymous forum like it has any effect on me at all, instead of actually trying to use logic to argue your point.

In the mean time, lets follow the JBB policy and mandate vaccines and boosters for everyone even though they are 25% effective and do not prevent transmission and then follow that up with lockdowns to make sure we really bring people together again and build some real unity in the country. LOL.

[QUOTE=Shagmeister7777;2656648]I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.

How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? Are there any precautions suggested while you have a girl in the room? Also, what kind of secondary phone should I buy that doesn't attract people with bad intentions? Obviously I won't be walking around with my Iphone 13 pro max. Thank you in advance for your input.[/QUOTE]Like I said, I'm in Colombia all the time. I'm an airline pilot. I've never been drugged or robbed. I'm also a native Spanish speaker. That being said, don't leave your drink unattended and don't trust anyone. Be watchful of the girl. There was just an issue in Medellin with a guy who was injected with ketamine. See what the girl brings into bed with you. Have her leave her purse somewhere in the room away from the bed. Until you get to know her, if you start searching for regulars, don't trust her. And even after you get to know her be careful.

I swear by tinder even though some guys say it's a good way to get drugged. You can meet a girl on there, even while you're still in the United States if you pay for a premium membership, and build a little bit of rapport. Get to know her and let her get to know you. In addition to having great sex, you can also have someone to hang out with. Some of which will be open to threesomes and introducing you to their friends. I met one that I ended up taking to Cartagena for a long weekend. I hardly gave her any money at all. We had fun, visited the beach, went out at night, and it was really more like having a girlfriend. We had a great time.

Don't have your phone in your hand in the street. People will rob you over a cell phone. Don't wear ultra expensive clothing or shoes. Same with jewelry. Buy an inexpensive unlocked android phone, go to one of the cell phone providers, and activate a line of service for the time that you're there. It's not very expensive. About 40,000 pesos for Internet and unlimited calls. Make sure you take your passport and ask them to register the phone. If they do not register the phone it will be blocked in 14 days. Once it is blocked it will not work on any carrier in the entire country. But once you register it it's registered for life. So when you buy the Sim card have them register it. Do not buy the Sim card at a gas station or the street. Go to one of the main stores in a mall.

I am in the country several times a month, and since my divorce I'm spending a lot more time there on my days off. Since my divorce sex has been my priority since it certainly wasn't a priority for my wife while married. Haha. So hooking up in Colombia Has become my new favorite pastime. I have no experience with girls from the street, brothels, or strip clubs. I know some guys like that sort of thing. I don't particularly.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657875]If it was anyone else, I would be baffled. There have been several people on this thread who have claimed people are stupid, deluded, pandering to big pharma, suffering from Dunning Kruger and are suckers for getting vaccinated.[/QUOTE]Big difference in calling someone a sucker for doing something and trying to stop them from doing something. I think you are a sucker for paying those chicks 250K, but that does not mean I am anti you paying them that much and want to force you not to do it. I am all for you having that choice! Once again JjBabbleOn showing a lack of comprehension skills. If you spent half the time reading for understanding as you doing babbling.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657802]You wouldn't know a fact or logic if they were both tag team face fucking you. You use neither in your responses and have dodged both in every reply anyone has posted to you. Each of your posts is a continuous blather of logical fallacies combined with irrationality.

Again, you need to read and understand what you have read if you ever want to be seen as anything other than an insane troll.

Never have I said nor insinuated I "walk around and hand out money to random people. "Yet, that's what your deranged, damaged mind sees when I said "Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help."

Also again, if you hadn't chosen to pull me into your bitchy little twat fight, my use of my money would have never been mentioned. Accept responsibility for your lunatic behavior..[/QUOTE]The more I read this, the funnier it gets. Look, can we all relax and just laugh a little, yes even you JJB. Honestly, I am a dick sometimes and I jabbed you a little and if your that upset, look my bad dude.

Please let's look how funny this post got though hahahaha. So because for the first time in my life, I am informed that someone donates 25% of their income to people? Charity? Friends? Family? Fire victims?, I don't know LOL. Somewhere, somehow you stated you donate 25% of your money to something, which I think we can all admit is very unordinary and not a very common thing to do. So because I said that's weird, "I need to accept responsibility for my lunatic behavior". HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wow man, you got some very strict standards for lunacy. So if calling someone weird is lunacy, how do you label people who J-Walk LOL, or people make turns without turning on their blinkers LOL? I guess they deserve to be labotomized in your view, correct LOL?

The economy, oh how I love how it always comes back to the economy. So apparently, the lockdowns which in my opinion are not good economically indicates that I am in a state of phycosis LOL. You must be the greatest shrick to ever live to make such a dead accurate diagnosis. Phycologists around the globe need to study the work of Dr. JJBJ with that diagnosis hahahahaha. Clearly anyone who mentions economy and lockdown in the same sentence needs to committed to an institution until recovery lolololol.

Guys, I am truly sorry, according to JBBJ I have gone complete and total 100% "UNIBOMBER! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Dam, I went UNIBOMBER, I swore back in 96' I would never go UNIBOMBER again, but dammit I slipped and it took the world's greatest master criminal detective to finally catch me and bring me to justice, none other than the legendary CSI JBBJ69. Dam, I would have gotten away with my UNIBOMBERING if it weren't for his flawless logic and incredible talents in labeling people unibombers who call out weirdos who give money away to feel special, or at least claim to do so on sex mongering forum hehe.

Of all the things people have called me in my life, the next part is the best. JBJBJ always saves the best for last LOL. JBJB is a true poet because he described my mind as a "fractured hall of mirrors" hahahahhaa. We all need to recognize how clever that actually really is. Like, this guy though of the creepiest thing he could, a hallway full of broken mirrors, but not totally broken, the mirrors are just fractured so you can see a plethora of refections at different angles hahaha. Any he uses this image to portray my mental state hahaha. We all need to bow down to JBJBJ on that one, that is fucking funny man. I can't wait to say that to someone in person. I really can't haha. One time I heard a dude call another called crazy by saying he is"as mad as a box of spiders", but I think I like "hall of fractured mirrors better".

And then to top it all, after saying the most hurtful things he can think of, hes going to have snacks, but not just any snacks. He's having "healthy snacks". Because after a hard session of characters assination, JBJBJ needs some healthy fuel to keep him going.

JBJBJ you are a forum treasure lololololol. Fucking hysterical man. You are still a weirdo, but you are a fucking funny weirdo LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657719]Quite a few of the girls I regularly talk to have been sick recently, only mild illness, out of commission for a few days.

Restaurants should mostly be open in Laureles, along with bars and stores. The only potential problem which could crop up is if the hospitals exceed capacity. I saw a recent article saying ICU beds in Medellin were 96% full and hospital beds were 85% full. Curfews, quarantines and lockdowns are determined by hospital available beds. However, case numbers have been dropping, so it's probably nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE]Colombia is handing things regarding COVID way better than most other Countries around the world in my opinion.

There are lots of people here that have Omicron, or have had it, besides the former variants as well. There are people coughing all over the place, probably the most pronounced symptom of Omicron, and I witness it every day on the Metro and in the buses.

For most people, and you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population versus other Countries, that Omicron is essentially no more than a "cold", not even as severe as the flu, but there is a very small percentage that may have a very bad outcome.

The Colombian Government about a month ago came out with guidance that essentially said, if you have the classic Omicron symptoms, and your young, don't bother getting tested, which in essence means. "if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, don't bother getting tested.

The case numbers are deceptive if they say there's 2,500 new cases a day, it's probably four times, if not much higher than that.

It's almost as though the Government here is looking at things currently as though COVID is like the flu in the sense of some people are going to perish, so why make such a big deal about it, no differently than the flu in the USA.

Regardless, everything is wide open here without restrictions, and the specter of lockdowns, etc. As you have surmised I don't see happening.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657943]Big difference in calling someone a sucker for doing something and trying to stop them from doing something. I think you are a sucker for paying those chicks 250K, but that does not mean I am anti you paying them that much and want to force you not to do it. I am all for you having that choice! Once again JjBabbleOn showing a lack of comprehension skills. If you spent half the time reading for understanding as you doing babbling.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is a big difference. The first case is an example of passive-aggressive behavior. It's common from people who are too much of a pussy to come out and say what they mean. In case you're unclear I did just call you a pussy.

Calling you a pussy, when my intent is to call you a pussy is, depending on whether or not I'm inviting discussion, an example of either aggressive or assertive behavior. The second instance you mentioned is also either aggressive or assertive communication.

As for me paying some girls 250 k, I'm able to afford it. I don't have to stay in the cheapest hotels or try to find women who are desperate enough to fuck for free. I enjoy a bit of luxury and my income is sufficient to fund the things which give me pleasure. Paying more and getting more fits well with my personal philosophy. I pay for better furniture, I buy better linens, cookware, cutlery. My focus is on function over form. Does that make me a sucker?

Most of the things I buy I'll use for 10 years or more. The cheapest versions have a useful life of 2-3 years, in the long run, I get more for less.

Which brings us back to paying 250 k for girls. More often than not I pay no more than 200 k, but I am willing to pay more, depending on several factors. What do I get for my money? The first thing I get is more time. Rarely has a girl I've paid 150 k or more spent less than 2 hours in the room with me, and never less than an hour. The longest was about 11 hours for 200 k. That didn't include the 4 hours we spent having dinner and seeing a movie. At 40 k for 30 minutes, that would have cost over 1 million.

The second thing is a hassle free experience. There's never any argument over service or extra charges. Add increased affection as well. People who feel they are being adequately compensated perform their assigned tasks better.

The other benefits are harder to classify. One girl came over one night when she was bored and spent about 4 hours for the price of the taxi. Another time she came over and happily accepted 90 k, for about 2 hours. Another one, who received 150-200 k invited me to her home, fed me and introduced me to her friends, no charge. She also brought a friend along a few times for threesomes for an additional 100 or 150 k. Then there's the girl who talks to me daily, often sends pics or videos, or surprises me with video calls. She's offering to comp me a room at the hotel where she works on my next visit. I've only seen her once for 200 k.

In my opinion, with regards to my needs and desires I get the same or better value for 200 k than I get at 50 k. It also gets me girls who so only 1 date per day, instead of girls who do 4 or more guys daily. That's important to me, but I recall how you were happy to pull a train on a girl provided you didn't have to spend any money. Say what you want, but I'd rather spend a few dollars than coat my body with other men's semen.

I noticed you once again ran away from me calling you out for making shit up. Let me guess. Your 3 shot girl sent you a photo of her vaccination card along with an affidavit from her father attesting he has not been vaccinated. When I call you a pussy it's only because of your constant pussy behavior.

Since you chose to close with reading comprehension, would you like to revisit your closing sentence? It's incomplete. An "if" statement requires a "then" clause. The only exception is if the "then" clause is implied by an earlier sentence. Here's an example:

It's too bad many people no longer trust you. If only you didn't constantly make up bullshit (this would typically be closed with an ellipsis to indicate the implied "more people would trust you".

Good luck with your next series of lies. I look forward to pointing them out.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657902]I knew you wouldn't be able to just answer a simple question haha. I asked about China because I was genuinely interested in your opinion on the topic. And your response confirmed to me that you are too sensitive and triggered about the subject to ever have any type of meaningful debate and I am wasting forum space. At least I pointed out to everyone how sensitive and unstable you are and they too should not put any weight into your posts. Your posts are worthless and you blinded by your anger.

Canada has had 3 million covid cases, you call that controlling the virus? Indonesia and Pakistan have had huge covid numbers as well as had the vast majority of nations on Earth. And the reason Pakistan and Indoneisa have lower covid numbers than USA is because most of their people can't afford testing. We will never know the real numbers of those nations. You are just so clearly clawing to anything that can resemble an argument that it just shows people who you really are, an angry old man who has no ability to look at things objectively anymore because of your biased politics.

Pakistan-1. 5 million cases, yea they really controlled the virus LOL. Indonesia 4. 3 million hahahaha. Global cases 376 million, yea the world did a great job controlling covid. You argue a great point JJB LOL.

I am waiting for another reply from you trying to attack my mental health, LOL on an anonymous forum like it has any effect on me at all, instead of actually trying to use logic to argue your point..[/QUOTE]How many suicides from the lockdowns.

How many malnourished kids because parents can't go to work?

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/indias-staggering-covid-19-death-toll-million-study/story?id=81897534[/URL]

The world must make the CCP pay dearly for all this!!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657875]This is off the subject, but worth mentioning. How did someone in Colombia get 2 initial doses of a vaccine and then get a booster dose? [/QUOTE]No need to waste time wondering, assuming, and hypothesizing. How many times have I tried to teach you that it is easier to just ask someone.

She got the first dose in March, second dose 15 days later in April, and got the third dose (which really fucked her up) November 27. Or maybe I am inventing this person too. LOL.

[QUOTE=ElCapo;2657938]Like I said, I'm in Colombia all the time. I'm an airline pilot. I've never been drugged or robbed. I'm also a native Spanish speaker. That being said, don't leave your drink unattended and don't trust anyone. Be watchful of the girl. There was just an issue in Medellin with a guy who was injected with ketamine. See what the girl brings into bed with you. Have her leave her purse somewhere in the room away from the bed. Until you get to know her, if you start searching for regulars, don't trust her. And even after you get to know her be careful.

I swear by tinder even though some guys say it's a good way to get drugged. You can meet a girl on there, even while you're still in the United States if you pay for a premium membership, and build a little bit of rapport. Get to know her and let her get to know you. In addition to having great sex, you can also have someone to hang out with. Some of which will be open to threesomes and introducing you to their friends. I met one that I ended up taking to Cartagena for a long weekend. I hardly gave her any money at all. We had fun, visited the beach, went out at night, and it was really more like having a girlfriend. We had a great time...[/QUOTE]Just please don't say you work for Ted Christie LOL.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657902]Canada has had 3 million covid cases, you call that controlling the virus? Indonesia and Pakistan have had huge covid numbers as well as had the vast majority of nations on Earth.[/QUOTE]JJBee is a Democratic douche in denial. For him, masks are a symbol that you are compliant with the government, a good soldier. For me, masks are to prevent illness, and if I had my way, I would choose to only wear them around sick people.

I tell the people here that I have simple advice about Covid. Be careful at home especially with mass gatherings because that is where I am seeing most Covid cases happening and if you do not want to get Covid, really just try to avoid sick people. Before omicron, asymptomatic transmission IMO was bullshit.

So JJBee is a proud mask wearing, vaccine getting American. He is a loyal soldier in the fight against Covid, and people like myself are rebels. A person like myself applying common sense and defying ridiculous government mandates is the enemy.

So JJBee gets sick with Covid. Where? At home. Doing what? At a mass gathering. Was he wearing a mask? Of course not. How do I know? Because if he was, he would not have gotten sick. He even chides people about the vaccine and says he does not want there to be any conspiracy about the vaccine after it fails him.

It gets sadder. He does not take hydroxycholoroquine, which was actually used by the Chinese for Covid early on, because he thinks it is toxic to the heart. I presume he thinks Ivermectin is for horses.

Then the inflammation of Covid starts. This is where steroids come in, and heparin has anti-inflammatory properties, but the best drugs in this class are monoclonal antibodies (MAs). To a Democratic douche, this is the weak ass shit Trump got and may have saved him so MAs suck.

Every person I have seen get monoclonal antibodies has an immediate termination of the progression of the disease. Does JJBee get them? Of course not. That would be smart, and we are talking about JJBee here.

The crazy part about MAs is the government wants doctors to use them on people before they get that sick. It is stupid. Trump got them when he was very sick, and I saw a family member pleading with a doctor to put a patient on the MAs. The doctor was just about to put this patient on a ventilator which is likely to mean death. The family member pleads with the doctor to give them. The doctor does so, and the patient gets better and is discharged from the hospital 48 hours later. That is how well they can work.

Trump has a miraculous recovery too when put on MAs. Boris Johnson was not given them, and he almost died.

Now with omicron, sadly there is only one kind of monoclonal antibody that works. See the link: [URL]https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2022/01/just-one-monoclonal-antibody-drug-works-against-omicron-its-in-short-supply-at-nj-hospitals.html[/URL].

Now here is the kicker with Biden. He is buying up masks, vaccines, and tests, but the SINGLE most effective treatment against Covid? THAT is in short supply. It is unfucking real.

Covid is not really that bad. It is the body's overreaction to it that seems to be deadly. So after the immune system kicks in with inflammation, the next phase, and often the worst, is blood clots. Blood clots happen so often with Covid that blood thinners are routinely given.

Does JJBee get the blood thinners? Do I really need to answer that? He then goes to Colombia while sick and for whatever reason does not consider he may have Covid and spreads it.

You can tell who the Democratic douches are because none of them will criticize JJBee, and you know why? Because to them, he is a model citizen. He wears masks in public, social distances, got vaccinated, and even defended the vaccine after he got sick. The only part that is deviant with him is that he is not bunkered in like Paulie and Huacho. If he was a model Democrat, he would not leave his house.

I get that my advice is confusing and technical at times so I will make it simple. Whatever JJBee did about Covid, if you do the exact opposite, you will probably be fine.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657981]Calling you a pussy, when my intent is to call you a pussy is, [/QUOTE]I guess I am what I eat.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657981]As for me paying some girls 250 k, I'm able to afford it. I don't have to stay in the cheapest hotels or try to find women who are desperate enough to fuck for free. [/QUOTE]Damn I struck a fucking nerve with this guy! I did not know you really give chicks 250K. I just made that number up as a hypothetical. And you went off to write 10 paragraphs explaining why you give chicks 250K.

Looks like you could not even find chicks to fuck for 250K last time you were in Medellin spreading covid to the entire population. I remember you reporting taking chicks to lunch by the dozen, yet fucking a grand total of ZERO. Or maybe it was 1 to be on the safe side.

I know you look for extreme accuracy in these reports, so I better give myself a margin of error. Looks like there really is a such thing as a free lunch (for chicks that know you). Keep up the charitable luncheons you rest haven you.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2657973]Colombia is handing things regarding COVID way better than most other Countries around the world in my opinion.

There are lots of people here that have Omicron, or have had it, besides the former variants as well. There are people coughing all over the place, probably the most pronounced symptom of Omicron, and I witness it every day on the Metro and in the buses.

For most people, and you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population versus other Countries, that Omicron is essentially no more than a "cold", not even as severe as the flu, but there is a very small percentage that may have a very bad outcome.

The Colombian Government about a month ago came out with guidance that essentially said, if you have the classic Omicron symptoms, and your young, don't bother getting tested, which in essence means. "if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, don't bother getting tested.

The case numbers are deceptive if they say there's 2,500 new cases a day, it's probably four times, if not much higher than that..[/QUOTE]Based on lessons learned.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2657973]..... you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population....[/QUOTE]Yabba dabba doo!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657813]Who the hell ever argued that people should not get vaccinated? Last I saw there were people arguing that everyone should have to get vaccinated and others arguing that it should be a person's choice on whether to get vaccinated. Nobody is out there trying to stop those that want to get vaccinated do just that.

Why do you guys keep saying this dumb shit? There is pro mandate and pro choice, not pro mandate and anti vaccination. The people that do not want the vax, do not want it for themselves. They are not anti anybody else getting it.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/29/a-public-health-reckoning-is-coming/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2657985]The world must make the CCP pay dearly for all this!![/QUOTE]Don't throw stones in glass houses. If anyone is to blame assuming its a leak, it would be the usa.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2658136]Don't throw stones in glass houses. If anyone is to blame assuming its a leak, it would be the usa.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's right, blame the victim.

Almost 1 million dead.

You know the country that banned gain of function research.

Are you defending those 3 letters more than anything else?

Or is it just more of your visceral hatred for anything white / American?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2657973]Colombia is handing things regarding COVID way better than most other Countries around the world in my opinion.

There are lots of people here that have Omicron, or have had it, besides the former variants as well. There are people coughing all over the place, probably the most pronounced symptom of Omicron, and I witness it every day on the Metro and in the buses.

For most people, and you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population versus other Countries, that Omicron is essentially no more than a "cold", not even as severe as the flu, but there is a very small percentage that may have a very bad outcome..[/QUOTE]She was crying in tears yesterday from the body aches plus cough. She went to the ER and they told her she did not have Covid and sent her home with a shot that made her feel better. She is in the significantly large cohort who has the disease, tests negative and therefore is not counted as an active case. Probably the largest cohort, those who were never tested, had Covid, and never treated or counted, along with your intuition that there are probably four times as many cases as are being counted more or less proved my QED point in Stupid that the data is not simply imperfect, it is corrupt beyond being useable. This has never happened before on this scale of medical history because it is the first "Internet" epidemic, along with many other methodology factors.

The Colombians are smarter than the Americans and they are ignoring the useless data and acting on empirical observation. This is the "natural course" I predicted. We are transitioning into the "current state from lessons learned phase" I predicted. I haven't had a strike on this topic yet, let alone an out. I know it's tough on those of you who invest so much ego into your intellect, but the truth often is hard to handle, channeling Jack Nicholson.

Ostee Out and Keep On Keepin' On. I am not feeling the love at this current moment. I will not respond to any direct comments on this post.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2658013]JJBee is a Democratic douche in denial. For him, masks are a symbol that you are compliant with the government, a good soldier. For me, masks are to prevent illness, and if I had my way, I would choose to only wear them around sick people.

I tell the people here that I have simple advice about Covid. Be careful at home especially with mass gatherings because that is where I am seeing most Covid cases happening and if you do not want to get Covid, really just try to avoid sick people. Before omicron, asymptomatic transmission IMO was bullshit.

So JJBee is a proud mask wearing, vaccine getting American. He is a loyal soldier in the fight against Covid, and people like myself are rebels. A person like myself applying common sense and defying ridiculous government mandates is the enemy.

So JJBee gets sick with Covid. Where? At home. Doing what? At a mass gathering. Was he wearing a mask? Of course not. How do I know? Because if he was, he would not have gotten sick. He even chides people about the vaccine and says he does not want there to be any conspiracy about the vaccine after it fails him.

It gets sadder. He does not take hydroxycholoroquine, which was actually used by the Chinese for Covid early on, because he thinks it is toxic to the heart. I presume he thinks Ivermectin is for horses.

Then the inflammation of Covid starts. This is where steroids come in, and heparin has anti-inflammatory properties, but the best drugs in this class are monoclonal antibodies (MAs). To a Democratic douche, this is the weak ass shit Trump got and may have saved him so MAs suck..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/johns-hopkins-researchers-lockdowns-covid/2022/02/01/id/1054965/[/URL]

Colombia is not handling covid well. In spite of the moderate size of population, Colombia ranks 10th for the covid death and 13th for the total cases in the world. I agree that the real case number could be 3-4 times of the official number since very few Colombians take covid tests. Probably, Colombia should rank around 5-7th for total cases.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2657973]Colombia is handing things regarding COVID way better than most other Countries around the world in my opinion.

There are lots of people here that have Omicron, or have had it, besides the former variants as well. There are people coughing all over the place, probably the most pronounced symptom of Omicron, and I witness it every day on the Metro and in the buses.

For most people, and you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population versus other Countries, that Omicron is essentially no more than a "cold", not even as severe as the flu, but there is a very small percentage that may have a very bad outcome.

The Colombian Government about a month ago came out with guidance that essentially said, if you have the classic Omicron symptoms, and your young, don't bother getting tested, which in essence means. "if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, don't bother getting tested.

The case numbers are deceptive if they say there's 2,500 new cases a day, it's probably four times, if not much higher than that..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658004]No need to waste time wondering, assuming, and hypothesizing. How many times have I tried to teach you that it is easier to just ask someone.

She got the first dose in March, second dose 15 days later in April, and got the third dose (which really fucked her up) November 27. Or maybe I am inventing this person too. LOL.[/QUOTE]So let's be clear on this. You're saying that she's over 60 years old, with a 62 year old father? Damn! I've heard of starting young, but knocking someone up within days of taking your first step is downright amazing. Shit. No wonder he's never had Covid. He's Superman! On March 15,2021 vaccines were authorized for people age 60-79 in Colombia.

I know. She's a front line healthcare worker right? That's the only possible way she could be younger than 60 and get vaccinated in March. Except that only lowers her minimum age to 50. November 19,2021 was the date when booster shots were first authorized for anyone in Colombia and they were required to be 50 or older to receive a booster. It's like you intentionally try to prove that you just make shit up.

Good thing you always have a WhatsApp screenshot for proof. There's no way to fake that.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2658167][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/johns-hopkins-researchers-lockdowns-covid/2022/02/01/id/1054965/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, MDS, we got guys saying now that Colombia is smartly handling Covid right. They are letting the disease run its course. They are being smart now.

Thing is this country shut out international travel for seven months. Stupid. And they locked down for years. Even more stupid.

People though forget why Colombia changed course. Colombia got everything right after the people revolted. Canada is next in line to be reset.

So yeah, Colombia is handling things better now than the USA but look what it took to get there.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2658136]Don't throw stones in glass houses. If anyone is to blame assuming its a leak, it would be the usa.[/QUOTE]Nah, what China did early on with the virus was abhorrent. They are #1. We are #2 in blame for sure though, and it bugs me to no end that guys like Fauci and Daszak have escaped punishment.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657839]Every job helps people. [/QUOTE]Now JJbirdbrain is a liar by omission. In his original post, which I copied in my post, he stated "Every job that everyone does helps others. " Completely different from what he wrote and gave seven reasons to substantiate his altered statement. It would have been much simpler if he had just listed one job that everyone does. Instead, he seems obsessed with my bowel movements.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657839]Ah yes. If you can't dispute the content of a post, grammatical errors are the way to go.[/QUOTE]This was part of his reply to one of my posts:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2642099]5. You don't know the difference between "ones" and "one's. ".[/QUOTE]He is a typical liberal Democrat, "for thee, but not for me".

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2658005]Just please don't say you work for Ted Christie LOL.[/QUOTE]No. I fly for a legacy airline not a budget airline.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2658180]So let's be clear on this. You're saying that she's over 60 years old, with a 62 year old father?

I know. She's a front line healthcare worker right? That's the only possible way she could be younger than 60 and get vaccinated in March. Except that only lowers her minimum age to 50. [/QUOTE]Why didn't you put a fake background on your fake messages the same as I have on my real ones? LOL. Dude you are one dumb mf. Where did I ever say she was 60 or even 50? You are the one that makes things up. Think you know everything but do not know anything.

Yes she is a nurse and she is only 32, not 60 or 50. I know that is getting your big brain to start to figure why it could not possibly be true.. Hmm. Let's add this up.. Her father is 62 and she is 32, so that must mean her mother is 3. Yep. You busted me once again. Her time traveling space alien mother is only 3. My plan of ISG domination has been foiled once again. That will teach me to try to put one over on old Sugar Daddy Sherlock. It is impossible to dupe him.

Now if you will excuse me I have chicks to fuck while you spend your time pursuing your life goal of making things up about people making things up and taking chicks to lunch so that you can spread covid to them. Come on ladies, let Sugar Daddy Sherlock take you for a free lunch so he can give you some of this tender love and covid. Huancho must be rolling over in his basement right know knowing that spent all that money and vacation time to go down there and give those poor people covid. That was one hell of a charitable donation!

[QUOTE=ElCapo;2658228]No. I fly for a legacy airline not a budget airline.[/QUOTE]Please don't be staying out all night when I'm aboard LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658239]Why didn't you put a fake background on your fake messages the same as I have on my real ones? LOL. Dude you are one dumb mf. Where did I ever say she was 60 or even 50? You are the one that makes things up. Think you know everything but do not know anything.

Yes she is a nurse and she is only 32, not 60 or 50. I know that is getting your big brain to start to figure why it could not possibly be true.. Hmm. Let's add this up.. Her father is 62 and she is 32, so that must mean her mother is 3. Yep. You busted me once again. Her time traveling space alien mother is only 3. My plan of ISG domination has been foiled once again. That will teach me to try to put one over on old Sugar Daddy Sherlock. It is impossible to dupe him.

Now if you will excuse me I have chicks to fuck while you spend your time pursuing your life goal of making things up about people making things up and taking chicks to lunch so that you can spread covid to them. Come on ladies, let Sugar Daddy Sherlock take you for a free lunch so he can give you some of this tender love and covid. Huancho must be rolling over in his basement right know knowing that you went down there and gave those people covid.[/QUOTE]Everyone should just put that psychotic fool on ignore!

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2658177]Colombia is not handling covid well. In spite of the moderate size of population, Colombia ranks 10th for the covid death and 13th for the total cases in the world. I agree that the real case number could be 3-4 times of the official number since very few Colombians take covid tests. Probably, Colombia should rank around 5-7th for total cases.[/QUOTE]I am writing this on the fly. Off the top of my head and I am sure I will make errors of omission. When comparing the US to Colombia, what were the outcomes of the vaccinated patients, other than life or death? What were the hospitalization rates? What was the overall Cost to Treat each case? What was the cost of not treating? Are we comparing same branded vaccines or different vaccines? Are the two countries using the same collecting and reporting methodology? What was the percentage of each of the many related cohorts related to Covid identified in previous posts and not just death rates?

Plus, as you may have surmised by now, the entire data set is fatally flawed making meaninful comparisons moot. This is not a case of imperfect data. This is the Purrfekt Storm in medical history for the clusterfuk of all time in handling a classic population health issue, Vaccination. Thank you Internet or what I refer to as a Professorial Brain With Alzheimers.

The sky is not falling because this is a pansy virus with low mortality rates. All these "measures" and interventions youse guys are discussing you would not even be a consideration if this were the real scary shit like a disease with an attack rate of 50% and a mortality rate of 50%. Then you will be looking at martial law, burning bridges, quarantine islands, barbed wire, vigilante justice, apocalypse zombie movie, extinction events, end-of-the-world stuff. I am surprised all from all the choices those "Preppers" or end-of-the-world nutjobs have, supervolcano, asteroids, global warming, gamma ray burst, etc. I never saw a TV episode on super infection plague. That would be my guess. One of the many reasons we fucked Covid up so much is because there are too many of us still left alive to fuck it up.

Changing course and ignoring the data proves Colombia is smart, and smarter than the USA. In a way, they were probably forced into it because of their limited resources. Governmental budgetary restraints. What happened before now and how we got here doesn't matter other than learning from the mistakes. If you take into consideration the resources Colombia has to utilize compared to the USA, which is the country with the most excess and glut of any country in the world (don't talk to me about national debt or trade deficits, that's not the point) then Colombia looks like an Ivy League graduate while the USA is still in grammar school.

Colombia is getting ahead of the curve and transitioning to a current state mindset from lessons learned, either by plan or default.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2658242]Please don't be staying out all night when I'm aboard LOL.[/QUOTE]Oh, you're back with your fantasy travels again. Where are you going this time? Which fantasy monger trip are you taking this time. Thailand, Germany, Philippines, or is it Medellin this time? Jajajaja.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2658177]Colombia is not handling covid well. In spite of the moderate size of population, Colombia ranks 10th for the covid death and 13th for the total cases in the world. I agree that the real case number could be 3-4 times of the official number since very few Colombians take covid tests. Probably, Colombia should rank around 5-7th for total cases.[/QUOTE]Well you are right that Colombia is 13th in total cases and 10th in total deaths but is that an analytically sound way to look at it? Of course not. A country that has 1/10 the population of Colombia and has 1/2 as many cases is doing dramatically worse. If you are getting your information from Worldometer (a great source). Try clicking on the cases per million. That will do a lot to normalize the total cases and death counts.

Colombia is 83rd in the world for total cases per 1 million.

Colombia is 23rd in the world for deaths from CoVid per 1 million.

Colombia is 110th in the world for CoVid testing per 1 million.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658239]Why didn't you put a fake background on your fake messages the same as I have on my real ones? LOL. Dude you are one dumb mf. Where did I ever say she was 60 or even 50? You are the one that makes things up. Think you know everything but do not know anything.

Yes she is a nurse and she is only 32, not 60 or 50. I know that is getting your big brain to start to figure why it could not possibly be true.. Hmm. Let's add this up.. Her father is 62 and she is 32, so that must mean her mother is 3. Yep. You busted me once again. Her time traveling space alien mother is only 3. My plan of ISG domination has been foiled once again. That will teach me to try to put one over on old Sugar Daddy Sherlock. It is impossible to dupe him.

Now if you will excuse me I have chicks to fuck while you spend your time pursuing your life goal of making things up about people making things up and taking chicks to lunch so that you can spread covid to them. Come on ladies, let Sugar Daddy Sherlock take you for a free lunch so he can give you some of this tender love and covid. Huancho must be rolling over in his basement right know knowing that spent all that money and vacation time to go down there and give those poor people covid. That was one hell of a charitable donation![/QUOTE]One of your funniest recent posts, jajaja. Good stuff. I said I would stay out of it but this doesn't count, jeje.

Wow if those are the top 10 I'd hate to see with the bottom 10 look like.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2658141]Yeah that's right, blame the victim.
Almost 1 million dead.
You know the country that banned gain of function research.
Are you defending those 3 letters more than anything else?
Or is it just more of your visceral hatred for anything white / American?[/QUOTE]The victims are the people of USA. The criminals are the government. The country that banned GoF on its on territory but then went ahead and sponsored it in other countries. And didn't do any due diligence to make sure appropriate safety protocols were in place. Yes, that country.

I am not sure what "3 letters" you refer to.

I don't hate everyything white nor American. I like Jeremy Corbyn, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, Jimmy Dore. All white. I like Galapagos, Santa Marta and Guatape. All American.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2658298]I like Galapagos, Santa Marta and Guatape. All American.[/QUOTE]Maybe your IQ is actually in the triple digits after all, jajajajaajaa.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2658297]Wow if those are the top 10 I'd hate to see with the bottom 10 look like.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2658141]Yeah that's right, blame the victim.

Almost 1 million dead.

You know the country that banned gain of function research.

Are you defending those 3 letters more than anything else?

Or is it just more of your visceral hatred for anything white / American?[/QUOTE]Not fair to accuse JustTk of bigotry. TK posts fairly from his perspective and debates in good faith from what I have seen.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2658298]The victims are the people of USA. The criminals are the government. The country that banned GoF on its on territory but then went ahead and sponsored it in other countries. And didn't do any due diligence to make sure appropriate safety protocols were in place. Yes, that country.

I am not sure what "3 letters" you refer to.

I don't hate everyything white nor American. I like Jeremy Corbyn, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, Jimmy Dore. All white. I like Galapagos, Santa Marta and Guatape. All American.[/QUOTE]If they are white and they want to give you everyone else's money, medical care, housing etc etc etc etc for no other reason than you probably illegally invaded their country.

Then you like them. Does that sound about right?

[QUOTE=ElCapo;2658228]No. I fly for a legacy airline not a budget airline.[/QUOTE]I get it, you imply it is the opposite of Spirit, Aruba, etc, but it sounds like there may be more to it?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658016]I guess I am what I eat.[/QUOTE]But you don't eat pussy. Don't worry. I'll prove it and I'll even use your logic. Bear with me.

[QUOTE]Damn I struck a fucking nerve with this guy! I did not know you really give chicks 250K. I just made that number up as a hypothetical. And you went off to write 10 paragraphs explaining why you give chicks 250K.[/QUOTE]Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

Let's just be clear on this. You're saying, because I wrote a long post, you must have struck a nerve? That's a spectacular example of the reasoning ability you're famous for.

Have you forgotten that I'm famous for my long posts? You've mentioned it a few times. You've even claimed, more than once that you're unable to read my posts. However, you keep replying to things you claim you're unable to read. I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but once someone gets into the habit of lying, they unconsciously lie about things, even things which they prove to be lies.

10 paragraphs? Still mastering your numbers, I see. Try Sesame Street. The actual number was 6. I guess you lost track when you had to switch hands after 5. Considering the source it's to be expected. However, the cause of your inaccuracy is a bit of a conundrum. Was it because of your habitual lying, or your inability to reason.

[QUOTE]Looks like you could not even find chicks to fuck for 250K last time you were in Medellin spreading covid to the entire population. I remember you reporting taking chicks to lunch by the dozen, yet fucking a grand total of ZERO. Or maybe it was 1 to be on the safe side.

I know you look for extreme accuracy in these reports, so I better give myself a margin of error. Looks like there really is a such thing as a free lunch (for chicks that know you). Keep up the charitable luncheons you rest haven you.[/QUOTE]By the dozen? Damn I'm good! Once again it's necessary to explain numbers to you. There were only 4 girls, but the most I ever took to lunch was 3. However, we had lunch at the restaurant where the fourth girl was working, which got us a free appetizer. I did have all 4 at my apartment at one time, and ordered pizza, but that was dinner. I also took 2 of them to dinner, twice (but the second girl each time was different). There was another breakfast, lunch and dinner with 2 of them as well. I almost forgot. There was another lunch with 3 of them, but not the same 3 as the first lunch. By the way, how do you fit a dozen girls into a Volkswagen sedan?

And absolutely there is a free lunch, or dinner, or breakfast for any girl who knows me. What kind of cheap bastard won't pay for a meal for a pretty girl they know? I'll also buy them drinks and, when needed, buy my own condoms. I'm such a spendthrift.

Let's dive into the subject of logic systems. All logic systems share one requirement, they must be consistent in application. For example, the number system, it must be consistent in order to have any meaning. I realize it's cruel to bring up numbers when you've shown you don't understand them, but it's probably the easiest logic system to explain. The interval between each whole number is exactly 1. 1+1=2, 2+1=3. Always. For everyone. 6=6 and 10=10. If sometimes 6=6 and sometimes 6=10 then the system is useless.

Now, with that very brief tutorial, we can return to the task we're both focused on, making you look like a fool.

If, on my last trip to Colombia, I only had sex with 1 woman, because you only recall me posting about having sex with 1 woman, then your logic system requires that nobody does anything, when visiting another country, unless they post about it on the appropriate ISG forum. Nobody ever takes a shit in Colombia. Very few people eat when in Colombia. Most people never fuck in Colombia. Many people magically transport themselves to Colombia, because they don't go into details about how they arrived.

Furthermore, you don't eat pussy and, to the best of my recollection, you almost never fuck when in Colombia. You have reported that you've paid whatever price and taken a girl to a room, but I don't remember any posts where you actually stated that you had sex with the woman. Remember, if it's not applied consistently, it's just nonsense.

However, as you keep demonstrating, just because something is posted on ISG doesn't mean it's true. Therefore, your logic system is flawed, because false reports on ISG implies not everything which happens gets reported on ISG. That's got to be a relief for the guys who live in Medellin, because none of them post every time they bathe, use the restroom, or eat.

Of course, there's always a simpler explanation. With very few exceptions, I don't share contact information. When I fuck, who I fuck and how much I paid serves no purpose. There are exceptions. If I fuck at a casa or strip club, my experience is helpful to others because they can visit the same place and know what to expect. The same applies to the guys who pull girls from the street in El Centro, or Parque Lleras, or a club like Gusto. The venue can be used by anyone.

Another exception is if there was something unusual about a session, which was the case with the 1 report which you may or may not recall.

This is all obvious from my posts. When I visit, I mostly post about things which might be of interest to others. If I spend time sightseeing, ride the Metro, go to a mall, eat at a restaurant, or hang out with some regular girls, it might answer a question someone has. With my encounters, I post about the generics, rather than the specifics. What services were included? Was she on time? How long did she stay? Was there anything out of the ordinary? The stuff which is useful for guys taking their first trip, or using Facebook for the first time.

Now to the final subject. When I was "in Medellin spreading Covid to the entire population. " Let's introduce you to another concept you clearly don't understand, the burden of proof. It's got two sides. One side, if you make a claim, if the claim is questioned, it's up to you to prove your claim. If you are questioning someone else's claim you must establish a reasonable doubt.

It's the way the legal system in the US is supposed to work. If you are charged with, for example, neglect of a dependent (like your daughter, who you recently stated you neglected), then the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, your guilt. On the other hand, you would only have to introduce the reasonable doubt. All clear?

This is the second time you claimed I was responsible for the widespread infection of many people. The first time you claimed I spread it all over the continent. This time you are claiming I spread it to everyone in Medellin. Go ahead. Prove it. I'll even make it easy for you. All you have to do is show a significant increase in the number of Covid cases in Medellin during or within 2 weeks after my visit. The date range is June 17-24,2021. Add 2 weeks and your cutoff date is July 8. If you can show a significant increase in Covid cases occurred within that date range, I'll accept that I was the only person responsible for every additional infection.

Spoiler alert. The number of new cases in Antioquia on June 17 was 7234 and dropped every day, with 3034 new cases reported on July 8. Once again you fall flat on your face.

I'm being ridiculously generous here. Technically I am only required to create a reasonable doubt. There were at least 2 regular contributors to ISG who met up with me on that trip, as reported by them. If one or both did not contract COVID after meeting me and before July 8, then your claim is bullshit.

Of course, I could make it even easier for me. You claimed I was only in close contact with 1 person in Medellin. Which makes it impossible for me to spread Covid to the entire population. I would have needed to be in close contact with everyone in Medellin to spread Covid to the entire population. Quite a feat to get within handshake range of 2. 5 million people (assuming you meant only the population of Medellin and not the Medellin metro area) in 7 days. Maybe I'm the one who is Superman.

Do I need to count the paragraphs I used for each point? Or do you have someone who can count them for you?

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2658209]Now JJbirdbrain is a liar by omission. In his original post, which I copied in my post, he stated "Every job that everyone does helps others. " Completely different from what he wrote and gave seven reasons to substantiate his altered statement. It would have been much simpler if he had just listed one job that everyone does. Instead, he seems obsessed with my bowel movements.

This was part of his reply to one of my posts:

He is a typical liberal Democrat, "for thee, but not for me".[/QUOTE]Damn. That was downright hurtful. I was expecting something stupid from you (you seldom disappoint) and was looking forward to asking if you're really that stupid. What do you do? You come up with something so stupid it would be silly to ask the question.

Let's introduce you to the humble synonym. Synonyms are words or phrases with the same meaning. For example:

"I showed how stupid you are" and "I demonstrated how stupid you are" are synonyms. I guess, because of your obvious mental deficiency, I should clarify that synonyms aren't always synonyms. "Show" and "demonstrate" don't always have the same meaning.

Equally, "every job helps people" and "every job that everyone does helps others" are synonyms. In this case "that everyone does" is redundant and "others" and "people" are obviously both talking about people.

Now of my 7 reasons, unless you assume that businesses are not owned and operated by people, also employing people, then 6 reasons are entirely valid for either phrase. Only 1 reason doesn't apply to both, the benefit to the person doing the job, since "others" negates consideration of personal benefit.

As for your bowel movements, you shit yourself every time you think you're going to score points against me, so it's a rather obvious topic. It's also interesting that people who are falsely accused deny the accusation, while people who are guilty try to deflect the accusation. I guess you acknowledging the adult diaper situation makes up for negating my "are you really that stupid" question.

You left something out.

[QUOTE]Ah yes. If you can't dispute the content of a post, grammatical errors are the way to go.[/QUOTE]In the post which you quoted, where I pointed out a grammatical error, the grammatical error was only 1 point. The 5 in front of it should have clued you in. There were 6 other points, each one disputing the content of your post.

What is it with people not understanding the if / then sentence construct? "If you can't dispute the content of a post. " If the content of the post has been disputed, the exclusion or inclusion of grammatical errors has no bearing. Now, if I had left everything else out and only pointed out your error, your point would have been valid. Maybe next time you'll do better. So it's quite clearly a case of "for thee and for me. " Looks like another diaper change is needed.

I should point out one last thing. The voting for the January 3 I award (ISG insane idiot) ended on January 31. Are you guys just trying to get a jump on February, or did you forget what day it was?

LOL So a certain forum member keeps private messaging me like a *****. I have tried several times to call him out here but I am guessing the forum administrators won't let me post about him because he blocked me or reported a post I made. The guy will shit on people and then proclaim to the forum he will not respond to any posts. The same guy always posts about how he hangs out with the Trannies in centro and loves to just "talk" with them for information hahaha. This guy is a real Astronaut but with an O at the front if you catch my meaning. And for the record, I am not attacking him, this coward shell of a man keeps private messaging me telling me to leave the forum and that no one likes me hahaha. It it really is funny why people waste their breath with that pussy shit. Anyway, everyone here can make up their mind about the type of dude Astronaut is. He is definitely not someone I would even acknowledge in person. Love you guys forever and roll on forever with love and so much for T-King Astronaut hahahahaha. Fucking Pussy haha.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658239]Why didn't you put a fake background on your fake messages the same as I have on my real ones? LOL. Dude you are one dumb mf. Where did I ever say she was 60 or even 50? You are the one that makes things up. Think you know everything but do not know anything.

Yes she is a nurse and she is only 32, not 60 or 50. I know that is getting your big brain to start to figure why it could not possibly be true.. Hmm. Let's add this up.. Her father is 62 and she is 32, so that must mean her mother is 3. Yep. You busted me once again. Her time traveling space alien mother is only 3. My plan of ISG domination has been foiled once again. That will teach me to try to put one over on old Sugar Daddy Sherlock. It is impossible to dupe him.

Now if you will excuse me I have chicks to fuck while you spend your time pursuing your life goal of making things up about people making things up and taking chicks to lunch so that you can spread covid to them. Come on ladies, let Sugar Daddy Sherlock take you for a free lunch so he can give you some of this tender love and covid. Huancho must be rolling over in his basement right know knowing that spent all that money and vacation time to go down there and give those poor people covid. That was one hell of a charitable donation![/QUOTE]Sorry. I don't know what you are talking about. I've never bothered to change the background on my WhatsApp. Does it somehow make WhatsApp work better? Anyone I message only sees the background they use, so changing the background is completely useless. Except, if someone is faking messages and they need to hide the watermark a fake message editor uses. Then it makes sense.

As for granny's age, I already went over that. I'll do it again, with additional details and I'll try to type slower so you can keep up.

She could have received her first dose in March and possibly her second dose 15 days later, although that's highly unlikely. More on that later.

However, unless she is over 50, there is no way she could have received a booster on November 27. Boosters were only authorized for age 50 or older at that time in Colombia. No exceptions. The earliest she could have received a booster dose was December 21.

Now, why is it unlikely she received a second dose 15 days after the first? Because, of all the vaccines used in Colombia, only 1 has a dosing schedule which makes a 15 day interval possible. That's the CoronaVac vaccine, from China, with a 2-4 week dosing schedule. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is only 1 dose and the minimum for the Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna vaccines were all longer. The shortest interval was 3 weeks, initially, for Pfizer.

To make it more unlikely, the initial supply of CoronaVac was sent exclusively to the departments bordering Brazil, because it is more effective against the gamma variant. Add to that the fact that CoronaVac is the least used vaccine in Colombia.

In conclusion, it's possible, but unlikely, she received a second dose 15 days after the first. However, it's not possible that she received a booster dose on November 27.

As I've stated several times, as long as you continue to make shit up, I'll continue to point it out.

It's time for confession, so I can atone for my sins and purify my soul.

It's recently been stated I've committed the unforgivable sin of buying lunch for women, and I admit it is true. Because of my work, I almost always eat alone, and often I'm pressed for time, unable to just relax and enjoy the meal.

When I have the time, like when I'm on vacation, I enjoy meeting others for meals. Often, I'm willing to pay for whoever joins me. I know, everyone is shocked I would admit to such a heinous act. However, I value honesty, so I must confess.

It gets worse, much worse. Sometimes I buy meals for women who I am not having sex with. Sometimes I even do the unthinkable and buy meals for male friends. I don't even make them give me a handjob. I've even bought ingredients and cooked for others. Yes, I've even given food to homeless people.

I completely understand if you can't bear to read the rest. It's quite possibly the most atrocious act ever committed.

I don't know who to blame for such outlandish behavior. Did it start in childhood, when I was fed every day and never once was required to pay, or provide sexual services? Is it an overcompensation from my Navy days and all those free meals, when I was often figuratively getting screwed?

It could all come from one specific evening. There were 3 of us, who often went out drinking together. One Saturday night 2 of us were broke and couldn't afford to go to our favorite bars (extra credit for anyone who has done the Kingston Shuffle). We were sitting around the house which the other 2 shared, probably complaining. The third guy came downstairs and asked if we were ready to go. When we told him we couldn't afford it, he pointed out his income tax return had just come in and asked if we thought we could drink up $1100. We tried.

It was quite the night. We bought all the cheap champagne the bar had. We were each walking around with a pitcher of beer, refilling glasses for all the women. We were even dancing with bottles of champagne in hand. If I remember correctly, the bar tab was less than $200, mostly for the $10 a bottle champagne. At $3 a pitcher, it's tough to spend a lot on beer and it was only a beer and wine bar.

Back to my confession.

In Colombia it's not too expensive. I took 3 girls to one of the more expensive restaurants and I spent less than $100. Probably the most egregious transgression happened late last year. I went to a butcher shop and spent $200 on a big, prime rib roast, 8 pounds. I gave it to my sister, who is a fantastic cook, and told her my brother and I would be over for dinner the next night. A sister, brother and brother in law and I didn't even get a kiss.

There's more. So much evil in me.

I've given a few girls a loaded Civica card for the Metro, probably with $10 worth of rides. At one place I stayed I gave a big bag of Colombian coins to the receptionist. Probably 30 k or more. All because I didn't feel like schlepping around 3 pounds of useless metal. I've bought clothes, sex toys and tchotchkes. I once brought a bottle of moderately expensive body spray for the women to use and one girl misunderstood and took the bottle with her.

I could go on, but I don't want to be responsible for the distress to everyone reading this.

I know it's a lot to ask, but isn't there anyone who could ever forgive me? I admit to my weakness and it's likely I'll commit these despicable acts again. Just knowing someone, somewhere has ever done such a horrible thing will give me the strength to go on.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2658351]LOL So a certain forum member keeps private messaging me like a *****. I have tried several times to call him out here but I am guessing the forum administrators won't let me post about him because he blocked me or reported a post I made. The guy will shit on people and then proclaim to the forum he will not respond to any posts. The same guy always posts about how he hangs out with the Trannies in centro and loves to just "talk" with them for information hahaha. This guy is a real Astronaut but with an O at the front if you catch my meaning. And for the record, I am not attacking him, this coward shell of a man keeps private messaging me telling me to leave the forum and that no one likes me hahaha. It it really is funny why people waste their breath with that pussy shit. Anyway, everyone here can make up their mind about the type of dude Astronaut is. He is definitely not someone I would even acknowledge in person. Love you guys forever and roll on forever with love and so much for T-King Astronaut hahahahaha. Fucking Pussy haha.[/QUOTE]So you're saying he does the same stuff privately that you do publicly? The nerve of him!

There's a simple solution. Instead of crying about it here, just add him to your ignore list. He will no longer be able to message you, you won't have to read, or scroll through any of his posts and you won't feel the need to attack him and then say you aren't attacking him.

It's really easy to do. Just click on his name on any of his posts or messages. Click on "View profile". Then just click on "add to ignore list. " I think you also need to confirm you want to add him to your ignore list. It should only take a few seconds.

I can't speak for the admins, but it's possible they feel the posts are completely unnecessary bullshit and serve no purpose. It's happened to me many times. I don't always agree with their decisions, but I understand why they make them and try to learn from the experience.

[QUOTE=ElCapo;2657938]Like I said, I'm in Colombia all the time. I'm an airline pilot. I've never been drugged or robbed. I'm also a native Spanish speaker. That being said, don't leave your drink unattended and don't trust anyone. Be watchful of the girl. There was just an issue in Medellin with a guy who was injected with ketamine. See what the girl brings into bed with you. Have her leave her purse somewhere in the room away from the bed. Until you get to know her, if you start searching for regulars, don't trust her. And even after you get to know her be careful.

I swear by tinder even though some guys say it's a good way to get drugged. You can meet a girl on there, even while you're still in the United States if you pay for a premium membership, and build a little bit of rapport. Get to know her and let her get to know you. In addition to having great sex, you can also have someone to hang out with. Some of which will be open to threesomes and introducing you to their friends. I met one that I ended up taking to Cartagena for a long weekend. I hardly gave her any money at all. We had fun, visited the beach, went out at night, and it was really more like having a girlfriend. We had a great time.

Don't have your phone in your hand in the street. People will rob you over a cell phone. Don't wear ultra expensive clothing or shoes. Same with jewelry. Buy an inexpensive unlocked android phone, go to one of the cell phone providers, and activate a line of service for the time that you're there. It's not very expensive. About 40,000 pesos for Internet and unlimited calls. Make sure you take your passport and ask them to register the phone. If they do not register the phone it will be blocked in 14 days. Once it is blocked it will not work on any carrier in the entire country. But once you register it it's registered for life. So when you buy the Sim card have them register it. Do not buy the Sim card at a gas station or the street..[/QUOTE]Thank you for such a helpful response. I'll PM you when I'm on the ground in Medellin. Maybe we can go grab a beer or two.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658004]No need to waste time wondering, assuming, and hypothesizing. How many times have I tried to teach you that it is easier to just ask someone.

She got the first dose in March, second dose 15 days later in April, and got the third dose (which really fucked her up) November 27. Or maybe I am inventing this person too. LOL.[/QUOTE]In my own humble way, I'm going to try to end the endless argument about Mr. E's girl's claim and the endless arguments thereafter.

So here is an excerpt from 'vaccinations Colombia' the Wikipedia page.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_Colombia[/URL]

Booster doses:

On 16 September 2021, accompanying updates to the national vaccination plan, the Ministry of Health approved booster doses for people aged over 70. The first booster doses were administered on 1 October. [B]On 19 November 2021, the minimum age was lowered to 50. On 21 December 2021, the minimum age was lowered to 18.[/B].

What JjBee62 is trying to tell you is that Colombia didn't start giving Boosters (3rd shots) to people under the age of 50 until December 21, 2021.

So, Mr. E. What does that mean?

1. Your girl didn't get her shots in Colombia.

2. Or she lied about her shots.

3. Or you made up the whole thing and got caught out because you didn't do your homework.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2658505]What JjBee62 is trying to tell you is that Colombia didn't start giving Boosters (3rd shots) to people under the age of 50 until December 21, 2021.

So, Mr. E. What does that mean?

1. Your girl didn't get her shots in Colombia.

2. Or she lied about her shots.

3. Or you made up the whole thing and got caught out because you didn't do your homework.[/QUOTE]You are aware that this chick is a nurse right? Maybe they are able or have to get shots before the general public. Because she did not want to get them in the first place, but it was required for her job. (Care to do homework on that?) I do not know and do not care. Either way it does not benefit nor disenfranchise me whether or when she got shots and neither does she have anything to gain by lying about shots.

What kind of homework should I be doing? All I can do is ask and report what is said. I do not have enough time on my hands to be making things up or doing "homework" to report something on a hooker board, nor to write 10 paragraphs about it. If it is something quick and simple then I don't mind asking someone, but I am not going around digging up and researching bullshit like this. My school days are over!

[QUOTE=Villainy;2658505]So, Mr. E. What does that mean?

1. Your girl didn't get her shots in Colombia.

2. Or she lied about her shots.

3. Or you made up the whole thing and got caught out because you didn't do your homework.[/QUOTE]Number 3 is a sure bet, and in typical online discussion forum.

Fashion, pulling anecdotes out of his ass he goes along.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658594]You are aware that this chick is a nurse right? Maybe they are able or have to get shots before the general public. Because she did not want to get them in the first place, but it was required for her job. (Care to do homework on that?) I do not know and do not care. Either way it does not benefit nor disenfranchise me whether or when she got shots and neither does she have anything to gain by lying about shots.

What kind of homework should I be doing? All I can do is ask and report what is said. I do not have enough time on my hands to be making things up or doing "homework" to report something on a hooker board, nor to write 10 paragraphs about it. If it is something quick and simple then I don't mind asking someone, but I am not going around digging up and researching bullshit like this. My school days are over![/QUOTE]Genial! We solved the problem. You didn't make up anything or lie about anything. Your nurse friend either didn't get her shots in Colombia, or lied about it to you or she doesn't know the difference between November and December. That should end this chapter.

Oh and the front line health workers may have gotten their first and / or second shots earlier than the age parameters but that wasn't prescribed for the booster shots.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2658609]Genial! We solved the problem. You didn't make up anything or lie about anything. Your nurse friend either didn't get her shots in Colombia, or lied about it to you or she doesn't know the difference between November and December. That should end this chapter.

Oh and the front line health workers may have gotten their first and / or second shots earlier than the age parameters but that wasn't prescribed for the booster shots.[/QUOTE]Who sent you guys? You Sugar Daddy Sleuths cold busted her. I guess she will not be receiving that 8 million dollar early vax prize now. Her life is going to be in ruins when she finds out. If it was not for the meddling antics of the Sugar Daddy Sleuths she would have gotten away with the whole thing. Great work guys. Now you get to split the 8 million amongst yourselves if you ever find your way out of those basements.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2658383]Oh the horror![/QUOTE]Apocalypse Now.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2658352]In conclusion, it's possible, but unlikely, she received a second dose 15 days after the first. However, it's not possible that she received a booster dose on November 27.[/QUOTE]Babble babble babble. Skip you, Draw 4.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2658505]What JjBee62 is trying to tell you is that Colombia didn't start giving Boosters (3rd shots) to people under the age of 50 until December 21, 2021.

So, Mr. E. What does that mean?

1. Your girl didn't get her shots in Colombia.

2. Or she lied about her shots.

3. Or you made up the whole thing and got caught out because you didn't do your homework.[/QUOTE]All of your precious homework gone to waste. Skip you. Draw 4.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2658600]Number 3 is a sure bet, and in typical online discussion forum.

Fashion, pulling anecdotes out of his ass he goes along.[/QUOTE]Remind us, Why are you even on ISG anyway? Skip you. Draw 4.

Looks like tonight's winning lottery numbers are 2/19, 3/12, and 11/27? How is that even possible?

Only thing that was lied about was the $8 million because I knew you ladies would not be coming out of your basements to collect (except for maybe JjBabbleOn - neither rain, sleet, nor snow will keep him from his covid spreading duties.) Now if you Sack-Sucking Sugar Daddy Sleuths could take each others' dicks out of your mouths long enough; looks like you have some goal post moving to do.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658594]You are aware that this chick is a nurse right? Maybe they are able or have to get shots before the general public. Because she did not want to get them in the first place, but it was required for her job. (Care to do homework on that?) I do not know and do not care. Either way it does not benefit nor disenfranchise me whether or when she got shots and neither does she have anything to gain by lying about shots.

What kind of homework should I be doing? All I can do is ask and report what is said. I do not have enough time on my hands to be making things up or doing "homework" to report something on a hooker board, nor to write 10 paragraphs about it. If it is something quick and simple then I don't mind asking someone, but I am not going around digging up and researching bullshit like this. My school days are over![/QUOTE]Yet you have the time for this? You had the time to come up with a possible explanation? The same thing for the Mexican chick. You had time to get proof from her that she was infected twice with Covid, after vaccination, in less than a month, but you didn't have time to find out such an occurrence is not possible?

There is no requirement nor allowance in Colombia for boosters based on risk of exposure (such as for front line healthcare workers). Unlike the stages of vaccination, the booster schedule considered only the age of the recipients.

"The rollout began with people over 70 because this age group has lower immune capacity and higher mortality rates, and for them a third dose can be especially protective."

You keep repeating the same cycle and each time you end up spending more time coming up with an explanation than you would have spent finding out your claim isn't possible. For example, if you had mentioned initially that you were talking about a nurse, and said she got a her booster at the beginning of January, problem solved.

Better yet, you could have avoided the entire subject by not even posting. If, as you keep claiming, you have no opposition to vaccination, just your own personal beliefs, the post made no sense. Vaccinated people can still get Covid, something everyone knows. Unvaccinated people can avoid being infected, also something everyone knows. Unless you're anti-vax, pointing out individuals who are vaccinated who got infected and pointing out individuals who are unvaccinated and haven't been infected is silly.

That's like pointing out people who wear seatbelts who have been in an accident and people who don't wear seatbelts who haven't been in an accident. The purpose of the seatbelt isn't to prevent all accidents. The purpose is to improve the odds of survival if you're in an accident.

To run that analogy into the ground, you could also point out someone who wore a seatbelt and died in an accident and someone who survived an accident without injury, no seatbelt (I've seen both, the unbelted person was me and was the reason I started using a seatbelt many years before any seatbelt laws). However, not much is based on anecdotal evidence. If it was, you could make any claim. Some people shoot themselves in the head and survive, therefore everyone should shoot themselves in the head. Do you understand now why it's silly?

Yet, even though you're too busy, it doesn't stop. You pointed out that I had Covid (which I posted 7 months ago), even though I'm vaccinated, and that you are unvaccinated and haven't had Covid. Twice. You brought up the conundrum to modern medicine, the miraculous Mexican chick. You brought up the nurse who apparently stole a dose of vaccine and her unvaccinated father. When does it end?

One last look at your final paragraph. "All I can do is ask and report what is said." Why report it in the first place? I hope that nobody is making health decisions based upon whether or not you know a person. Just think of how much time that saves you. First, you save the time it takes to post. Then you save the time reading the posts asking how it's possible. Add on the time it takes to ask and then reply to the questions. Let's not forget the time it takes to have the discussion with the girls. I know whenever I ask a girl something out of the ordinary, I can expect a "por que" in response. All just a waste of time when absolutely nobody benefits from reading you know a vaccinated person who has had Covid, or an unvaccinated person who hasn't.

Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting you should stop posting. I'm just saying, especially if you don't want to waste time, think before you post. Is the post of any use to anyone? Is the information in the post valid? Is the post going to cause more problems than it might solve?

To cut you off, I'm often just as guilty, although usually I'm replying to a post, rather than originating a chain of discussion. However, for every post which I put up, there's at least one post which I decided wasn't worth it. I try. If you try as well it will save us both some time.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2658696]Apocalypse Now.[/QUOTE]Thank you! That was my first good laugh of the day.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658756]Babble babble babble. Skip you, Draw 4.

All of your precious homework gone to waste. Skip you. Draw 4.

Remind us, Why are you even on ISG anyway? Skip you. Draw 4.

Looks like tonight's winning lottery numbers are 2/19, 3/12, and 11/27? How is that even possible?

Only thing that was lied about was the $8 million because I knew you ladies would not be coming out of your basements to collect (except for maybe JjBabbleOn - neither rain, sleet, nor snow will keep him from his covid spreading duties.) Now if you Sack-Sucking Sugar Daddy Sleuths could take each others' dicks out of your mouths long enough; looks like you have some goal post moving to do.[/QUOTE]No goal post moving required. Hang on a second. I thought you were supposed to be too busy fucking? I can't imagine that you're interrupting all that fucking to get someone to send you a photo of their vax card and then posting about it, while taking the time to copy and paste from 3 different posts.

Back to those goal posts.

You have previously stated you have successfully traveled with a fake vax card. That certainly suggests a photo of a vax card isn't definitive proof. Unfortunately, it gets more difficult for you. Your previous "proof" stated the mystery woman got her first dose in March and her second dose in April, 15 days later. Sadly, the first dose on that piece of paper was February 19 and the second was March 12,21 days later.

On the plus side, those dates fit within the 21 day interval which was in effect in Colombia at that time for the Pfizer vaccine (it was lengthened to 84 days in June).

But, it's somewhat perplexing how someone could confuse March with February, April with March and 15 with 21. Then again, I was baffled how you could confuse 10 with 6. I guess we'll never know.

It's somewhat disturbing that while you're fucking, you fantasize about 3 men, 2 who are over 60, all sucking each other's dick. I guess you got to do what you got to do to get it up for a woman. Have you considered Viagra instead, or is gay oral sex the only thing you're interested in?

Also, I'm pretty sure you're 0 for 3 on the basement thing. No basement here. If there was, flooding would certainly be a risk. Considering where (if I remember correctly) Paulie lives, a basement is unlikely. As for Villainy, he lives in Medellin. Are there any hotels in Medellin with basement rooms? Plus he just posted about a recent session, so you can't claim you meant it figuratively.

It sure is a good thing you are too busy fucking to waste your time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2658756]Only thing that was lied about was the $8 million because I knew you ladies would not be coming out of your basements to collect (except for maybe JjBabbleOn - neither rain, sleet, nor snow will keep him from his covid spreading duties.) Now if you Sack-Sucking Sugar Daddy Sleuths could take each others' dicks out of your mouths long enough; looks like you have some goal post moving to do.[/QUOTE]Come on, Mr. E, you should know by now that no one never does anything illegal in Colombia.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659004]You have previously stated you have successfully traveled with a fake vax card. That certainly suggests a photo of a vax card isn't definitive proof.[/QUOTE]Where is the definitive proof that you were given the real vaccine and not a fake one? Didn't you get covid after all those shots that were going to prevent you from getting covid? So of course the vaccine that you were given was just salt water.

I can't believe they let your infected ass into Colombia to spread disease to those nice Colombians. Somebody really dropped the ball with that one. You should be banned for life. You knew that you were a covid carrier before you even stepped on that plane. Having a real card and fake vaccines did you absolutely no good and allowed you to harm innocent Colombians.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2659205]Where is the definitive proof that you were given the real vaccine and not a fake one? Didn't you get covid after all those shots that were going to prevent you from getting covid? So of course the vaccine that you were given was just salt water.

I can't believe they let your infected ass into Colombia to spread disease to those nice Colombians. Somebody really dropped the ball with that one. You should be banned for life. You knew that you were a covid carrier before you even stepped on that plane. Having a real card and fake vaccines did you absolutely no good and allowed you to harm innocent Colombians.[/QUOTE]Look at you. Coming off all high and mighty. You ought to be banned for life for having a fake vaccination card. You're the type who would cheat on your taxes too. I hope you get caught. Because you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself, as much as you (only sometimes) try to come off some other way. Oh, and by the way, I didn't know that somebody had to be a "pinko commie" to care about their fellow man during a public health pandemic.

Covid is going out not with a bang but a whimper:

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/03/white-house-omicron-next-phase-pandemic-00005033[/URL]

Biden and his top health officials have already begun hinting at an impending "new normal," in a conscious messaging shift meant to get people comfortable with a scenario where the virus remains widespread yet at more manageable levels.

"We are moving toward a time when Covid doesn't disrupt our daily lives," said one senior administration official, who requested anonymity to discuss the internal deliberations. "But in order to get people to view the pandemic differently, they have to feel differently about the pandemic. ".

Or as they say in South Park terms, "And it is gone. " [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg[/URL].

[QUOTE=TheCane;2659220]Look at you. Coming off all high and mighty. You ought to be banned for life for having a fake vaccination card. You're the type who would cheat on your taxes too.[/QUOTE]As for vaccine shaming, I think in a month, we shall see that too being a case of "And it is gone."

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2659205]Where is the definitive proof that you were given the real vaccine and not a fake one? Didn't you get covid after all those shots that were going to prevent you from getting covid? So of course the vaccine that you were given was just salt water.

I can't believe they let your infected ass into Colombia to spread disease to those nice Colombians. Somebody really dropped the ball with that one. You should be banned for life. You knew that you were a covid carrier before you even stepped on that plane. Having a real card and fake vaccines did you absolutely no good and allowed you to harm innocent Colombians.[/QUOTE]Still wasting that time which you've repeatedly said you weren't going to waste? I guess the plans for fucking fell through. Did the blow-up sex doll you pulled from a dumpster spring a leak? Or did it just turn you down?

You constantly amaze me. Every time I think you couldn't possibly be more stupid, you exceed my expectations. On the plus side, you have done a great job of making yourself look ridiculous.

When and where did anyone, anyone smarter than pig shit, say that any vaccine was guaranteed to prevent 100% of Covid infections? I'll wait.

Nothing? If someone had guaranteed me I was 100% immune I would have laughed at them. I've covered this several times, but apparently the terminally stupid failed to understand. I'll cover it again.

Vaccines do 3 things:

1. They reduce the risk of infection. Reduce, not eliminate.

2. They reduce the risk of a vaccinated, infected person infecting others. Reduce, not eliminate.

3. They reduce the risk of serious illness or death for vaccinated, infected persons. Reduce, not eliminate.

If you're finished fantasizing about me, we can move on.

Where's the definitive proof I was vaccinated with the vaccine? It starts with my vaccine card. The batch number used on the date administered, matches with the batch number used by the hospital on that date. The batch number used by the hospital, through the chain of custody records, matches the batch number shipped to the hospital, to be used during the period when I received the vaccine.

How do I know I wasn't injected with salt water? I didn't develop an infection in my arm and there was no abscess. You don't inject salt water into people. There's all kinds of nasty stuff in salt water. Instead, a sterile saline solution is used.

Really? I knew I was a Covid carrier before I stepped on that plane. I suppose that would make sense to you. I doubt if it makes sense to anyone else. Let's look at the evidence.

Assuming, I knew I was infected before I got on the plane, why did I wait until the day before my return flight to get tested? I could have gotten tested when I arrived, then got the required certificate of recovery the day before I returned, without adding 2 weeks in quarantine.

Even if I decided to take a chance and wait to get tested, why didn't I first move to a cheaper hotel? As far as that goes, why would I even bother quarantining? If, according to your fantasy, I knew I was infected, and had spent 10 days "infecting the entire population", why put myself into quarantine? Nobody except the lab knew I was infected.

It gets more unlikely. I met up with several friends, including a few BMs, in Medellin. Would I knowingly expose friends to Covid? For reference you can go back to November 2020 when I had strep throat. I developed symptoms Monday, started antibiotics Tuesday and remained isolated until late Thursday. With treatment strep throat is no longer contagious after 24 hours. To be on the safe side, I gave it 48 hours before I left the apartment, all posted on ISG.

If I knew I had Covid, would I have immediately contacted my friends to warn them, once I tested positive? Would I have posted about it here.

One more tidbit for you. I stayed in Envigado, not far from Sabaneta. Explain the mechanism used for me to infect "the entire population" of Medellin, from the south end of Envigado? Those "girls by the dozen" (4 girls) are all from Envigado, except for 1 who lives at the southern tip of Itagui, close to San Antonio del Prado.

I'm also still waiting for you to show an increase in new cases in Antioquia during or shortly after my visit.

I can make it simple for you, but you're going to have come to Indianapolis. I'll show you my medical records which will show no Covid test was performed, and that I had no definitive Covid symptoms. I'll put through a chain of custody request to the hospital where I was vaccinated. I'll even buy you a replacement blow-up doll, so you can get back to all that fucking you were supposed to be doing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2659205]Where is the definitive proof that you were given the real vaccine and not a fake one? Didn't you get covid after all those shots that were going to prevent you from getting covid? So of course the vaccine that you were given was just salt water.

I can't believe they let your infected ass into Colombia to spread disease to those nice Colombians. Somebody really dropped the ball with that one. You should be banned for life. You knew that you were a covid carrier before you even stepped on that plane. Having a real card and fake vaccines did you absolutely no good and allowed you to harm innocent Colombians.[/QUOTE]You left some stuff out.

"Your previous "proof" stated the mystery woman got her first dose in March and her second dose in April, 15 days later. Sadly, the first dose on that piece of paper was February 19 and the second was March 12,21 days later."

Add in that your initial "proof" said she got the booster dose 7 months later on November 27. October, September, August, July, June, May, April. That's 7 months, close to 8 months if the second dose was in early April, and 8. 5 months according to the vax card.

So, a nurse, doesn't know the months of the year and can't count?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659352]Still wasting that time which you've repeatedly said you weren't going to waste? I guess the plans for fucking fell through. Did the blow-up sex doll you pulled from a dumpster spring a leak? Or did it just turn you down?

You constantly amaze me. Every time I think you couldn't possibly be more stupid, you exceed my expectations. On the plus side, you have done a great job of making yourself look ridiculous.

When and where did anyone, anyone smarter than pig shit, say that any vaccine was guaranteed to prevent 100% of Covid infections? I'll wait.

Nothing? If someone had guaranteed me I was 100% immune I would have laughed at them. I've covered this several times, but apparently the terminally stupid failed to understand. I'll cover it again.

Vaccines do 3 things:

1. They reduce the risk of infection. Reduce, not eliminate.

2. They reduce the risk of a vaccinated, infected person infecting others. Reduce, not eliminate.

3. They reduce the risk of serious illness or death for vaccinated, infected persons. Reduce, not eliminate.

If you're finished fantasizing about me, we can move on...[/QUOTE]Where do you find the time and energy to write these posts? At least mix it up, it's the same thing over and over again. You are either fighting with Mr. E or defending the lies of the vaccine. Throw a change up in there.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2659410]Where do you find the time and energy to write these posts? At least mix it up, it's the same thing over and over again. You are either fighting with Mr. E or defending the lies of the vaccine. Throw a change up in there.[/QUOTE]Not true at all. Among other things, I've also made fun of you. Admittedly, that's low hanging fruit, because you make it so easy.

I'll even make it easy on you. Link at least 1 peer-reviewed study from a reputable publication which shows the vaccines are ineffective. If I'm defending the lies of the vaccine, it should be easy to find a peer-reviewed study which shows the vaccines do nothing.

Here's an example for you. This one was published in The Lancet, a very reputable publication. Unfortunately for you, the study found the Pfizer vaccine to be highly effective.

[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736[/URL](21) 02183-8/ fulltext#seccestitle70.

Let's see your evidence.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657902]I knew you wouldn't be able to just answer a simple question haha. I asked about China because I was genuinely interested in your opinion on the topic. And your response confirmed to me that you are too sensitive and triggered about the subject to ever have any type of meaningful debate and I am wasting forum space. At least I pointed out to everyone how sensitive and unstable you are and they too should not put any weight into your posts. Your posts are worthless and you blinded by your anger.

Canada has had 3 million covid cases, you call that controlling the virus? Indonesia and Pakistan have had huge covid numbers as well as had the vast majority of nations on Earth. And the reason Pakistan and Indoneisa have lower covid numbers than USA is because most of their people can't afford testing. We will never know the real numbers of those nations. You are just so clearly clawing to anything that can resemble an argument that it just shows people who you really are, an angry old man who has no ability to look at things objectively anymore because of your biased politics.

Pakistan-1. 5 million cases, yea they really controlled the virus LOL. Indonesia 4. 3 million hahahaha. Global cases 376 million, yea the world did a great job controlling covid. You argue a great point JJB LOL.

I am waiting for another reply from you trying to attack my mental health, LOL on an anonymous forum like it has any effect on me at all, instead of actually trying to use logic to argue your point..[/QUOTE]I missed this little bit of insanity from you. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to help make you look like an idiot. By the way, I have no need to attack your mental health. All I'm doing is pointing it out. Shall we get to it?

First thing, you didn't ask a simple question. You made a statement and asked me to answer a question which you never asked.

Besides your obvious insanity, you seem to have problems with honesty. If you were genuinely interested in my opinion on anything, you would ask in a way which is not insulting. There's the difference. I've seen your opinions, they're garbage. I have no interest in them and I don't pretend to be interested in them. But enough of pointing out your insanity, dishonesty and bullshit. Let's get to the meat.

Using the latest data, 23% of the US population has tested positive for Covid. 0.27% of the US population has died from Covid.

Canada: 8% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.9% of the population has died from Covid.

Indonesia: 1. 6% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.05% of the population has died from Covid.

Pakistan: 0. 66% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.13% of the population has died from Covid.

Now remember, the original comparison was between the US and other countries. It's quite obvious that at least those three countries have had much better outcomes than the US. I can easily find several more, but that's sufficient. After all, you originally stated that nobody has been able to control Covid. Just another insane statement from you since all the information is freely available.

You also, in another moment far from sanity, that the people in Pakistan and Indonesia couldn't afford Covid testing. Both countries have long been providing free Covid tests. How poor do you have to be to be unable to afford something which is free?

You are correct that Pakistan isn't testing enough. A maximum of 10% of all tests with positive results is acceptable to be testing enough people and Pakistan has a positive rate of 10.65%. The ideal amount of testing will have a positive rate of less than 3%. Indonesia has a positive rate of 2. 69, which means they are testing enough to be catching almost every case.

But what about the US? 20.1%. That's right, the country where the people are too poor to afford a free test is testing nearly twice as many people per capita as the US.

Now on to your final bit of insanity and dishonesty at least in this post.

As I've stated several times, more than once in reply to you, I've never called for vaccine mandates. I've also not posted an opinion on lockdowns since some time in 2020.

I thought you were in favor of logic. Lying about what others have posted is another logical fallacy. Are you unable to tell the truth, or are you too insane to recognize the difference?

I eagerly await your next example.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659527]I missed this little bit of insanity from you. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to help make you look like an idiot. By the way, I have no need to attack your mental health. All I'm doing is pointing it out. Shall we get to it?

First thing, you didn't ask a simple question. You made a statement and asked me to answer a question which you never asked.

Besides your obvious insanity, you seem to have problems with honesty. If you were genuinely interested in my opinion on anything, you would ask in a way which is not insulting. There's the difference. I've seen your opinions, they're garbage. I have no interest in them and I don't pretend to be interested in them. But enough of pointing out your insanity, dishonesty and bullshit. Let's get to the meat.

Using the latest data, 23% of the US population has tested positive for Covid. 0.27% of the US population has died from Covid.

Canada: 8% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.9% of the population has died from Covid..[/QUOTE]So you are going to just keep posting bullshit instead of taking an actual stance on mandates and lockdowns? I have stated plenty of times I think the vaccine is very useful and important. I am not looking up a study on it as I don't care that much and I don't have the time. Common sense would indicate that due to the number of post-vaccine infections and deaths that the vaccines were not 95%-90% effective. If you care so much, post a recent peer reviewed study to show me they are 95%-90% effective.

Bro, I am trying to help you out. You look weird when you go on these rants calling people crazy when they haven't done anything crazy and they just have a different opinion than you. Although, I guess for strange reasons, you will not state your opinion on mandates, lockdowns, or Chinese corruption? Or have you?, I don't know and I am not looking back to research it. Or you can hide in the shadows and don't take a stance. This playa don't give a fuck either way, I can assure you LOL.

More lies and disinformation from a couple of fake doctors, spreading anti-vax myths:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Fxxrudk70[/URL]

I have science on my side. Here, I will show you the proof:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659352]When and where did anyone, anyone smarter than pig shit, say that any vaccine was guaranteed to prevent 100% of Covid infections? I'll wait[/QUOTE]Of course you are fucking with me right now. At the beginning of the vaccine shit authorities were saying come get your vaccine so you WON'T get covid, not so your chances of not getting covid will be 10%, which seems to be the case with all these vaccinated people such as yourself getting covid.

"During an unscripted CNN town hall on July 21, Biden falsely stated that those who had been vaccinated would not get COVID, be hospitalized, or end up in an ICU and die. " Okay I see your disclaimer there. Slow Biden is definitely not smarter than pig shit.

When I was a kid many of my friends and relatives got vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, polio. I know this is hard to believe, but none of us ended up with measles, mumps, rubella, or polio. But according to you it was only supposed to "reduce the risk of serious illness or death. " Maybe they just don't make vaccines like they used to. Looks like these diseases were cheated out of their turn at my familiars, but covid has the attitude that it shall not be denied.

But my money is on they simply gave you salt water as covid protection to put your mind at ease. How do you intend to provide definitive proof that they did not or that you would have been seriously ill or even died had you not been given the saline?

Now if you will excuse me, I have a nice Brazilian beach to attend.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2659342]Covid is going out not with a bang but a whimper:

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/03/white-house-omicron-next-phase-pandemic-00005033[/URL]

Biden and his top health officials have already begun hinting at an impending "new normal," in a conscious messaging shift meant to get people comfortable with a scenario where the virus remains widespread yet at more manageable levels.

"We are moving toward a time when Covid doesn't disrupt our daily lives," said one senior administration official, who requested anonymity to discuss the internal deliberations. "But in order to get people to view the pandemic differently, they have to feel differently about the pandemic. ".

Or as they say in South Park terms, "And it is gone. " [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg[/URL].

As for vaccine shaming, I think in a month, we shall see that too being a case of "And it is gone."[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/us/politics/government-national-security-announcements.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659527]I missed this little bit of insanity from you. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to help make you look like an idiot. By the way, I have no need to attack your mental health. All I'm doing is pointing it out. Shall we get to it?

First thing, you didn't ask a simple question. You made a statement and asked me to answer a question which you never asked.

Besides your obvious insanity, you seem to have problems with honesty. If you were genuinely interested in my opinion on anything, you would ask in a way which is not insulting. There's the difference. I've seen your opinions, they're garbage. I have no interest in them and I don't pretend to be interested in them. But enough of pointing out your insanity, dishonesty and bullshit. Let's get to the meat.

Using the latest data, 23% of the US population has tested positive for Covid. 0.27% of the US population has died from Covid.[/QUOTE]Dude, all jokes aside at this point. You clearly have a sex forum addiction. OMG bro, you have pages and pages of posts in just the last few days. It was funny at first, then weird, and now I am happy I don't deal with you in person. You would definitely creep me out as like a serial killer stalker type dude. Like, you are really this angry posting pages and pages about this shit in a forum, and now you admit you don't even take a stance on this shit. All the debating we have been doing and you haven't even posted an opinion on lockdowns since 2020? So you just post and argue for the sake of arguing to vent your frustration? Anger? Limp old man dick? IDK, but you are a creepy weird dude based off the endless posts you respond to that I have read. You would definitely scare me in person, like a Dexter type guy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2659646]Of course you are fucking with me right now. At the beginning of the vaccine shit authorities were saying come get your vaccine so you WON'T get covid, not so your chances of not getting covid will be 10%, which seems to be the case with all these vaccinated people such as yourself getting covid.

"During an unscripted CNN town hall on July 21, Biden falsely stated that those who had been vaccinated would not get COVID, be hospitalized, or end up in an ICU and die. " Okay I see your disclaimer there. Slow Biden is definitely not smarter than pig shit.

When I was a kid many of my friends and relatives got vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, polio. I know this is hard to believe, but none of us ended up with measles, mumps, rubella, or polio. But according to you it was only supposed to "reduce the risk of serious illness or death. " Maybe they just don't make vaccines like they used to. Looks like these diseases were cheated out of their turn at my familiars, but covid has the attitude that it shall not be denied..[/QUOTE]Man 100% fact. I don't know how people at this stage will tell people that vaccines don't offer 100% protection from getting the disease its made for. Then why call it a vaccine if its not going to do that. But nah. Common sense is lacking in this world yes.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2659632]So you are going to just keep posting bullshit instead of taking an actual stance on mandates and lockdowns? I have stated plenty of times I think the vaccine is very useful and important. I am not looking up a study on it as I don't care that much and I don't have the time. Common sense would indicate that due to the number of post-vaccine infections and deaths that the vaccines were not 95%-90% effective. If you care so much, post a recent peer reviewed study to show me they are 95%-90% effective.

Bro, I am trying to help you out. You look weird when you go on these rants calling people crazy when they haven't done anything crazy and they just have a different opinion than you. Although, I guess for strange reasons, you will not state your opinion on mandates, lockdowns, or Chinese corruption? Or have you?, I don't know and I am not looking back to research it. Or you can hide in the shadows and don't take a stance. This playa don't give a fuck either way, I can assure you LOL.[/QUOTE]Heard this song today and immediately thought of you.

[URL]https://youtu.be/ifT9tGdiqWc.[/URL]

Vaccine mandates? As far as the mandate for the military goes, I'm in favor of it. There are 2 reasons. The first is that everyone in the military gets a whole bunch of vaccines and they are not optional. The second reason is simple. We saw how quickly Covid spread on the USS Roosevelt. It can greatly impact operational readiness.

Government mandated vaccines for all except front line workers, I'm against. Private corporations have the right to require vaccination or not.

Lockdowns? I was in favor of lockdowns 20 months ago. There was no vaccine, we still had much to learn. I am not in favor of lockdowns now. The people smart enough have gotten the vaccine. If you haven't been vaccinated by now, you get no sympathy from me.

As for your insanity, I've already pointed several instances out.

While I don't remember exactly, the study, shows the vacc at 95% effectiveness against serious illness and death. If you don't have time to learn, then stop making silly comments which showcase your idiocy.

[QUOTE=Trinimoses;2659674]Man 100% fact. I don't know how people at this stage will tell people that vaccines don't offer 100% protection from getting the disease its made for. Then why call it a vaccine if its not going to do that. But nah. Common sense is lacking in this world yes.[/QUOTE]Name one vaccine that's 100% effective.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2659646]"During an unscripted CNN town hall on July 21, Biden falsely stated that those who had been vaccinated would not get COVID, be hospitalized, or end up in an ICU and die. " Okay I see your disclaimer there. Slow Biden is definitely not smarter than pig shit.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why people take vaccines when there is hydroxychloroquine, household disinfectants and UV light rods readily available to stick up to their asses, like the "smart" president suggested.

What I seriously don't understand is, why Americans keep voting old men, who should be sitting in a rocking chair on the front porch, for their presidents and senators.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2659646]When I was a kid many of my friends and relatives got vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, polio. I know this is hard to believe, but none of us ended up with measles, mumps, rubella, or polio. But according to you it was only supposed to "reduce the risk of serious illness or death. " Maybe they just don't make vaccines like they used to. Looks like these diseases were cheated out of their turn at my familiars, but covid has the attitude that it shall not be denied.[/QUOTE]I still don't believe that the chick from WhatsApp or your family and friends make a sample big enough to prove anything.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659527]Using the latest data, 23% of the US population has tested positive for Covid. 0.27% of the US population has died from Covid.

Canada: 8% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.9% of the population has died from Covid[/QUOTE]I'm sure you meant to say 0.09% of the Canadian population has died from Covid.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659527]But what about the US? 20.1%. That's right, the country where the people are too poor to afford a free test is testing nearly twice as many people per capita as the US.[/QUOTE]Please explain. The statistics I'm reading say that the US has made 2.73, Pakistan 0.11 and Indonesia 0.27 tests per capita.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659527]I missed this little bit of insanity from you. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to help make you look like an idiot. By the way, I have no need to attack your mental health. All I'm doing is pointing it out. Shall we get to it?

First thing, you didn't ask a simple question. You made a statement and asked me to answer a question which you never asked.

Besides your obvious insanity, you seem to have problems with honesty. If you were genuinely interested in my opinion on anything, you would ask in a way which is not insulting. There's the difference. I've seen your opinions, they're garbage. I have no interest in them and I don't pretend to be interested in them. But enough of pointing out your insanity, dishonesty and bullshit. Let's get to the meat.

Using the latest data, 23% of the US population has tested positive for Covid. 0.27% of the US population has died from Covid.

Canada: 8% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.9% of the population has died from Covid.[/QUOTE]Why is that no one will give you any shit for being wrong about a percentage? LOL. Looks like Canada has some issues.

The number counting with Covid is so fucked up Jimmy Dore did a comedy skit about it: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_HHKttO3yM[/URL].

Then the UK released some numbers with Covid and they were all over the damned place depending on if you wanted to count morbidities.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O7ugdwv3iY[/URL]

So it is pretty clear that the numbers on Covid are being put out there to justify whatever policy the government wants versus being accurate, something I have been harping to you math nuts all the time. The numbers are shit.

Unlike government numbers on Covid though, there are real numbers out there. Life insurers and how much they have to pay is a real number. So are the numbers with funeral parlors.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-40-among-those-aged-18-64-and-not-because-covid[/URL]

And life insurers are seeing an explosion of deaths in the 18 to 64 age range, "And what we saw just in third quarter, we're seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic," Davison said during an online news conference last week. "Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic. ".

Then there is this shocker: According to Davison, the majority of deaths being filed are not classified as due to Covid-19.

Say what? How is THAT possible?

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/long-funeral-homes-short-life-insurers-ex-blackrock-fund-manager-discovers-some-disturbing[/URL]

On Wednesday, Dowd noted that funeral home company Carriage Services saw a 28% increase in September 2021 vs. 2020, and a 13% increase in August vs. The same period. Funerals and cremations are up 12% and 13% respectively on the quarter.

Business has been quite good since the introduction of the vaccines & this funeral home stock was up 106% in 2021. Curious no?

Guys this is shocking as 89% of Funeral homes are private in US. We are seeing the tip of iceberg. End of quote.

Now I know who is really behind the vaccine movement. I thought it was big pharma but it turns out to be the funeral homes. LOL.

This is the kind of information though that will grab the attention of Mr. Big Insurer himself, Warren Buffett. Once he figures out the vaccines are or may be causing him to lose money from people dying, those vaccine mandates will be over yesterday.

Denmark abandons COVID pandemic.

Socialist healthcare wins again.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s1UX2ZNsh4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nordico;2659985]I don't understand why people take vaccines when there is hydroxychloroquine, household disinfectants and UV light rods readily available to stick up to their asses, like the "smart" president suggested.[/QUOTE]Wasn't me that suggested the person that said it was 100% effective was as dumb as pig manure. I was simply pointing out who the person was that actually said it was 100%.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2659985]What I seriously don't understand is, why Americans keep voting old men, who should be sitting in a rocking chair on the front porch, for their presidents and senators.[/QUOTE]LOL. I don't understand why old American men who should be sitting in rocking chairs keep running for office.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2659985]I still don't believe that the chick from WhatsApp or your family and friends make a sample big enough to prove anything.[/QUOTE]Not trying to prove anything. Simply pointing out observations.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2660053]LOL. I don't understand why old American men who should be sitting in rocking chairs keep running for office.[/QUOTE]Somebody should bring them to Colombia or Brazil and show them that there are nicer things in life than money and power. Of course you need some money to be able enjoy those nicer things.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659928]Name one vaccine that's 100% effective.[/QUOTE]For starters. Lets go with the chickpox vaccine and the polio vaccine. In my country of a population of 1.4 million. At least 300 k chickpox vac and almost the same amount of polio vacc have been given in the last 10+ years. With ZERO infections happening with the people who got the vacc. Now come with the different covid vacc. We got 3 brands here. On the daily health briefing. The number of full vaxxed people that are getting covid is rising. . . . and this is not only here. Look at Israel and other highly vaxxed countries // where over 90% of the population is vaxxed. And they having some really crazy outbreaks of covid. That alone tells you the vaccines are not working.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2660013]Denmark abandons COVID pandemic.

Socialist healthcare wins again.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s1UX2ZNsh4[/URL][/QUOTE]More like science fails again. As I predicted, and what I said from the beginning, letting the virus run it's natural course would have created the greatest good, been the least costly, and saved the most lives. In the middle of this cluster fuck, who the hell knows? Pandora's Box is open and will be for quite some time. Now, current state is starting to look like what we should have done in the beginning.

I haven't been paying attention to the Covid BS here on this thread, but have you seen what's happening in Canada? That news is getting somewhat suppressed, but people are capitulating the will of the masses in freer countries. I don't have a prediction for the rest of North America, but I wouldn't be surprised if similar actions start in the USA.

The wonderful part is, no matter what we do at this point, it doesn't matter, other than for purposes of intellectual curiosity and mental masturbation. That is the irony I assume for those who are still fruitlessly taking a stance on any Covid issue. It no longer matters what you think or believe. That ship sailed a looong time ago. If it wasn't so sad, it would be one of the great all-time cosmic jokes.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660196]More like science fails again. As I predicted, and what I said from the beginning, letting the virus run it's natural course would have created the greatest good, been the least costly, and saved the most lives.[/QUOTE]And you've been wrong from the beginning. Of course there's no way to know exactly what would have happened had we taken no action, yet it's been demonstrated time and again that common sense mitigation efforts save lives. Surely many more millions would be dead without them. Just look at the stats that have been posted here many times. Red states with few exceptions have the highest population based Covid death dates. And that's because of the widespread adherence to pseudo-science and laughable Constitutional arguments. In a word, you are a loser crawling from one Medellin tusi den to the next, and once you leave your mice infested Hotel Nutibara. Foolish opinions go with the territory.

Counting this coming morning, Caribe will have been in my hotel room to start my day six out of the last nine mornings, or thereabouts.

Caribe is the closest thing to a true nymphomaniac in my current line-up. My new best friend calls her a "thoroughbred" and freak of nature. She woke me from sleep just now in the middle of the night to watch her on line. She's on a very popular Web cam model site. Obviously I am not using her real or screen name.

I tipped her 15 tokens at a time for six times to run the sex machine she had rammed up her pussy, while in missionary position. While she was on line doing this she texted me and asked me if I wanted her to have an orgasm. That was kinda cool. She is a bonafide squirter. The vast majority of the time these Web cam girls are faking it when they "squirt" and there are all kinds of tricks they use incuding stuffing water balloons up their pussies. I have dated more than a few web cam models and some of their inside track stories are hilarious.

I told her "no, save your orgasm for me in the morning" although that's not really an issue. Her orgasm this morning will be just as earth shattering whether she climaxed at work or not. Yesterday, she brought me a gift wrapped present, cologne, along with a handwritten card, see foto. She then proceeded to tell me that I smelled bad. That was the "pequeno Detalle" she was referring to on the card, jajajajaaa. I cried when I read the card and opened the carefully giftwrapped present. Tussi amplifies emotions plus I have PBA. Double whammy.

She pushed me into the shower like she does every morning and afterwards put my Lubriderm skin lotion (I try to always have a supply on hand for giving massages) all over my naked body while I was standing. No girl ever lotioned my entire body before while I was standing, and it felt nice. She is a germaphobe.

Oh yeah, earlier in the day she did a Whassap video call from the studio where she works and gave me and my buddy a tour. We counted 15 girls and they were all giggly, laughing, waving and seemed to be really happy for her. I got the feeling I was inside a sorority. Well, I was.

I am a little wary of the crash she might take about our relationship because she has serious mental illness. Thank gawd she is taking a phenothiazine. She calls me her "novio" or boyfriend, but at the same time she knows all about my Top Ten ranked list. She is sort of in denial about it.

So far she is only coming over early in the morning after she gets off work, horny as hell from all the edging. There have not been any overlap issues, but my chicas have overlapped many times with good outcomes. Scarlet used to spend the night a lot but ever since she bought that purebred Alaskan Husky, she has to go home every evening to care for the dog. As I predicted. Oh well, why ask why? I think she gets more emotional satisfaction from that beautiful dog than she does me. All we can do is Keep on Keepin' On. Love you guys.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2659928]Name one vaccine that's 100% effective.[/QUOTE]I will name two, smallpox and within our lifetimes, polio. For polio, the success will be due largely in part to the efforts of one of those service clubs we have here in America, for which one of my superstar sister's was president.

As always, you have to define your terms. I am defining 100% effective at clinically eradicating the disease off the face of the earth. There will always be smallpox and polio infectious cultures in government labs somewhere.

That was the answer to one of my many topic points in my earlier post about "things you need to know to have an intelligent conversation about Covid".

I am certain you knew the answer already, and were just baiting the readership with your question, right? Jeje.

Carry on as I know you will. Does that rise to the level of a future prediction? Nah, any idiot can see that coming.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660196]More like science fails again. As I predicted, and what I said from the beginning, letting the virus run it's natural course would have created the greatest good, been the least costly, and saved the most lives. In the middle of this cluster fuck, who the hell knows? Pandora's Box is open and will be for quite some time. Now, current state is starting to look like what we should have done in the beginning.

I haven't been paying attention to the Covid BS here on this thread, but have you seen what's happening in Canada? That news is getting somewhat suppressed, but people are capitulating the will of the masses in freer countries. I don't have a prediction for the rest of North America, but I wouldn't be surprised if similar actions start in the USA.

The wonderful part is, no matter what we do at this point, it doesn't matter, other than for purposes of intellectual curiosity and mental masturbation. That is the irony I assume for those who are still fruitlessly taking a stance on any Covid issue. It no longer matters what you think or believe. That ship sailed a looong time ago. If it wasn't so sad, it would be one of the great all-time cosmic jokes.[/QUOTE]I think you are assuming the virus is static. All the arguments saying vaccine is not effective can be used against your idea.

Vaccine works for he virus it is designed for but the virus evolves so there is a mismatch. This is the first version. The science will eventually catch up. One day there may be a vaccine acts like a virus but even more infectious. The only way to not get vaccine then is to completely isolate oneself. Think about that. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2660350]I think you are assuming the virus is static. All the arguments saying vaccine is not effective can be used against your idea.

Vaccine works for he virus it is designed for but the virus evolves so there is a mismatch. This is the first version. The science will eventually catch up. One day there may be a vaccine acts like a virus but even more infectious. The only way to not get vaccine then is to completely isolate oneself. Think about that. LOL.[/QUOTE]Ahh, you assumption is wrong, another classic pitfall. Where and what and when did I write the virus was static? Not acknowledging the virus variants would be one of the most foolhardy stances a person could assume, and considering the veracity of my overall points, I am surprised you would even consider assigning me that belief. Wow.

Oh, because I said doing nothing was the best course. In the beginning that was true. Now we need a vaccine because we fucked it up so much. That's one of the reasons people on both sides of the vaccine argument are correct but neither side has a clue as to why.

BTW, you are correct. Current state is, the science is catching up. I think if you look back you will find that I predicted Covid vaccines will become integrated with the annual influenza shots we all hold so near and dear to our hearts. I also stuck out my neck further and wrote that they will legislate these annual flu slash Covid shots to be mandatory.

Covid and influenza are more alike than they are different and a couple of posters here acknowledged this through the fog which they were peering. Like I said before, if you take the ten best points from ten different posters here you get something that resembles the truth, but not one person here has a grasp on the overall picture. Except me.

Legislating this combination vaccine to be mandatory will be it's own separate mini-cluster fuck due to the usual fringe anti-vaxer paranoid confused groups. They are always there and predictable. They serve somewhat of a purpose on a population health scale as they instill a watchdog vibe into the mix, but individually they are coo coo for Cocoa Puffs.

[QUOTE=Trinimoses;2660107]Lets go with the chickpox vaccine and the polio vaccine... ZERO infections happening with the people who got the vacc. Now come with the different covid vacc. We got 3 brands here. On the daily health briefing. The number of full vaxxed people that are getting covid is rising. . . . That alone tells you the vaccines are not working.[/QUOTE]This highlights one of the major lies that many governments have been telling the public, and why this pandemic management has been so damn corrosive. They started out by telling us that the vax would prevent transmission, and that was a wholehearted lie. No doubt they do it bcos they think the public is too stupid to understand nuance. So they make everything black or white, no room for grey.

Then once the stats started to roll in, they changed the definition of vax. It used to mean prevent transmission. Now it simply means a health booster shot.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660196]You can make it political if you want .[/QUOTE]It was not me that made it political. Once govenments got involved back at the start, that's when it was made political.

But it should be clear to anyone by now that only a public health care system puts its people before profit. Private pharma puts its investors first. So when they say they "have the best interests of public health in mind", they are lying to us. They have making profit as their main goal. Thats why we must always be skeptical of any claims made by private companies, and that's why health should always be owned by the people.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2660468]It was not me that made it political. Once govenments got involved back at the start, that's when it was made political.

But it should be clear to anyone by now that only a public health care system puts its people before profit. Private pharma puts its investors first. So when they say they "have the best interests of public health in mind", they are lying to us. They have making profit as their main goal. Thats why we must always be skeptical of any claims made by private companies, and that's why health should always be owned by the people.[/QUOTE]You are making the problem more political than it is, almost like a Straw Man argument, it is a misdirection that offers nothing in the way of solution for current state. You might be able to get a toehold when this shitshow is over when we move to Lessons Learned, but right now you are a bore and not helpful. You come across as an extremist with fringe beliefs. You may have the last word if you wish, you are dismissed. I will not engage you on this topic again.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660371]Ahh, you assumption is wrong, another classic pitfall. Where and what and when did I write the virus was static? Not acknowledging the virus variants would be one of the most foolhardy stances a person could assume, and considering the veracity of my overall points, I am surprised you would even consider assigning me that belief. Wow..[/QUOTE]The devil's in the detail. How does your plan work for a city the size of Medellin? How many deaths is acceptable to you? How do you guarantee the number of deaths to fall within your acceptable number?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2660607]The devil's in the detail. How does your plan work for a city the size of Medellin? How many deaths is acceptable to you? How do you guarantee the number of deaths to fall within your acceptable number?[/QUOTE]The city size has nothing to do with it, and is not a Devil's Detail.

The initial death rate was acceptable based on known data before it became corrupted. The vast majority of the deaths from the first wave was 80-90% or people who would have died from all causes within the next two years anyway. The approach we took prolonged the infectious phase we are in now and created unnecessary variants and additional deaths. The unnecessary economic opportunity cost has probably been in the trillions with a T.

Trust me, I have every point covered that you can come up with, but now it's too late to do anything other than, as you said, let the science catch up and let the virus run its course.

I was talking with an industry insider today and she countered my opinion about future state with vaccines mandates by legislation. She believes they will make the Covid vaccine necessary in order to attend public schools. I think they sort of do that now with other vaccines, not sure. So whether by regulation, legislation or some other kind of mandate, she agrees that future state will include some sort of mandatory vaccination program, in the United States. She probably knows as much or more than me about the subject.

Of course, we have to dig ourselves out of this current KlusterFuk first.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660500]You are making the problem more political than it is, ...nothing in the way of solution for current state. You come across as an extremist with fringe beliefs.[/QUOTE]If you look at my post again, you will see that I posted a video of how a country with a public sector health care system has declared the pandemic over. You clearly have your own agenda bcos I made no effort to propose a solution to anything. Except maybe to the evils of profit-based health care.

Public health care is extremet? No. The USA and its private health care is the extremist system. Its the only one in the entire developed world. That, by definition, makes it extreme.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660615]The city size has nothing to do with it, and is not a Devil's Detail...[/QUOTE]Why?

Why do you worry about corrupted data? You cam define your own parameters for your solution.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2660654]Why?

Why do you worry about corrupted data? You cam define your own parameters for your solution.[/QUOTE]I am sorry but this is getting to be too much like work. I want to keep my vibe going of why I am here in the first place. I fully retired in 2019. You ask reasonably intelligent questions, that I will be happy to answer if you pay my consultant fee. For you, $50 K. That's half-off. Jajajajajajaaaa. I am sorry to give you the kiss-off. Ostee Out and let's Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2659985]I'm sure you meant to say 0.09% of the Canadian population has died from Covid.[/QUOTE]It's certainly possible I misplaced a decimal point.

[QUOTE]Please explain. The statistics I'm reading say that the US has made 2.73, Pakistan 0.11 and Indonesia 0.27 tests per capita.[/QUOTE]The numbers I quoted are the percentage of tests given which are positive, not the percentage of the population. I'm not sure what numbers you're looking at.

[QUOTE=Trinimoses;2659674]Man 100% fact. I don't know how people at this stage will tell people that vaccines don't offer 100% protection from getting the disease its made for. Then why call it a vaccine if its not going to do that. But nah. Common sense is lacking in this world yes.[/QUOTE]Vaccines don't offer 100% protection against getting a disease. It would be great if they did, but they don't.

Here's Smallpox vaccine. It's 95% effective. [URL]https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/7022/[/URL].

This next link has a bunch of vaccines listed.

Polio -90% effective with 2 doses, 99% effective with 4 doses.

Chickenpox -90% effective.

HIB -93%.

HPV -90%.

Measles 94%.

Meningoccocal- doesn't provide 100%.

Mumps -88%.

Pneumcocca -75% effective or more.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/hepb/index.html[/URL]

The vaccines don't need to be perfect. They only have reduce the number of people who can pass the disease. If the disease can't find someone new to affect.

[QUOTE=Trinimoses;2660107]For starters. Lets go with the chickpox vaccine and the polio vaccine. In my country of a population of 1.4 million. At least 300 k chickpox vac and almost the same amount of polio vacc have been given in the last 10+ years. With ZERO infections happening with the people who got the vacc. Now come with the different covid vacc. We got 3 brands here. On the daily health briefing. The number of full vaxxed people that are getting covid is rising. . . . and this is not only here. Look at Israel and other highly vaxxed countries // where over 90% of the population is vaxxed. And they having some really crazy outbreaks of covid. That alone tells you the vaccines are not working.[/QUOTE]Let's start with the chickenpox vaccine. It's not 100% effective at preventing infection. However, 100% people don't get exposed to chickenpox. If enough of the population is vaccinated, cases start to drop, because the disease. The same is true with polio.

With Covid the big problem is that it's highly mutable, like the flu. While the vaccines provide some protection against variants. Why would it be 100% effective against a new variant?

Since you brought up Israel, 90% of deaths and serious illness are unvaccinated. Can you give me a quick primer on how a vaccine is supposed to work if a person doesn't take it.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660340]I will name two, smallpox and within our lifetimes, polio. For polio, the success will be due largely in part to the efforts of one of those service clubs we have here in America, for which one of my superstar sister's was president.

As always, you have to define your terms. I am defining 100% effective at clinically eradicating the disease off the face of the earth. There will always be smallpox and polio infectious cultures in government labs somewhere.

That was the answer to one of my many topic points in my earlier post about "things you need to know to have an intelligent conversation about Covid".

I am certain you knew the answer already, and were just baiting the readership with your question, right? Jeje.

Carry on as I know you will. Does that rise to the level of a future prediction? Nah, any idiot can see that coming.[/QUOTE]Individually, neither is 100% effective. However, the cumulative dosing to almost the entire population makes up for the few which the vaccine didn't work on.

For Polio it was pretty easy. The disease can only be spread through fecal material and a person is only infectious for 1-2 weeks. Also polio virus is only found humans. No animals are known to carry it. This is beneficial.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2658314]I get it, you imply it is the opposite of Spirit, Aruba, etc, but it sounds like there may be more to it?[/QUOTE]Legacy airline. Delta, American, United, Alaska, and Hawaiian are the US legacy airlines still in operation. I fly for one of those.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2660654]Why?

Why do you worry about corrupted data? You can define your own parameters for your solution.[/QUOTE]After this answer, it will cost you, LOL, as I believe I alluded to in my last post on this topic in the middle of last night, not sure exactly what I wrote until I see it, lolam.

I am not worried, but you made a factual statement. One of those parameters would be, "Ignore the data".

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

You are one of the 3 or 4 posters here who would be able to understand and comprehend The Truth of what is going on. JuJuBee is another one. Maybe a couple of other random posters who I forget. I try not to associate too many Usernames with specific posts, in order to keep the content of the posts in my head without prejudicing myself against or for specific Users. Obviously, sometimes that is impossible to accomplish because I see the names next to the post and cannot always force myself to forget. Plus a lot of guys have an obvious style of writing.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2660654]
Why do you worry about corrupted data? You cam define your own parameters for your solution.[/QUOTE]I would like to know in what sense he means corrupted.

A invented stat that Osteo posted got me thinking, if it were indeed true that 80-90% of deaths were of old people that would have died in the next coupla years. Which given the average age and prevalence of comorbidities, might not be wildly off the mark. How would you respond to this. Hyperthetical:

If we had known beforehand that this was the case, would you still mandate to lock everyone up, close the economy, and fire the non-vaxd, or would a more targetted protection policy be appropriate?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2660808]A invented stat that Osteo posted got me thinking, if it were indeed true that 80-90% of deaths were of old people that would have died in the next coupla years. Which given the average age and prevalence of comorbidities, might not be wildly off the mark. How would you respond to this. Hyperthetical:

If we had known beforehand that this was the case, would you still mandate to lock everyone up, close the economy, and fire the non-vaxd, or would a more targetted protection policy be appropriate?[/QUOTE]Calling me out by name after I told you I would not engage you on the topic. That's just the kind of trick I would expect from a ghost like you. I will take pity on your intellectual feableness and nurge you in the right direction. . . . One. . . Last. . . Time.

I did not "invent" that stat.

Both of your proposed choices are wrong.

If you had been paying attention to my posts, then you would know the answer, which is, "do nothing. " However, that answer is now moot, and was not realistic at the time because it would have taken medical and political willpower that did not and still does not exist to implement.

That part of the solution is theory and not fact, but because of the source, me, that theory happens to be correct. Geez. You will need to study this answer a bit, well everyone here would, in order to properly understand it.

And puhleeez tell me, that you did not actually intend to write "hyperthetical"? JFC, don't answer, it's a "hypothetical" question, jajajajajajajaaaaaaaaaa.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2660808]A invented stat that Osteo posted got me thinking, if it were indeed true that 80-90% of deaths were of old people that would have died in the next coupla years. Which given the average age and prevalence of comorbidities, might not be wildly off the mark. How would you respond to this. Hyperthetical:

If we had known beforehand that this was the case, would you still mandate to lock everyone up, close the economy, and fire the non-vaxd, or would a more targetted protection policy be appropriate?[/QUOTE]Your hypothetical is close to what the governor of Florida has done. Initially, he went with the lockdowns. He has admitted that was a mistake. He targeted the elderly and those with comorbidities with prevention and treatment. Florida has the second highest percentage of residents 65+. Only Maine is higher, but Maine has 6% of the total population of Florida. Everything is almost back to pre-pandemic standards now. Stores, restaurants, and bars are fully open. Masks are still required in most health facilities, but not most other places. And Florida hasn't suffered a major outbreak of Covid as predicted by many.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660819]Calling me out by name.
I did not "invent" that stat.
Both of your proposed choices are wrong.
[/QUOTE]Calling you out by name? I just used the name that you use on your profile. Nothing secret there. No dirtty tricks.

You clearly did invent the stat. How could anyone stare in to a crystal ball and declare with certainty that 80-90% of the deaths would have died anyway within the next 2 years. At best its an estimate, not a stat.

"proposed choices" - I didn't make any proposed choices. I put forward a hypothetical for people to think about.

Osteo, sometimes chatting with you is like talking to a drunkard in a club. I say smthg, then you say smthg back that is not even related to what I said. You been taking lessons from JPaedo?

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2660850]Your hypothetical is close to what the governor of Florida has done.[/QUOTE]I have no great knowledge of the COVID events in Florida. I do remember seeing it on the news as an example to support both sides of the argument, so there must have been a time when things were working well and working bad.

But if it is a successful example of how to apply targetted protection, then I will take a closer look. What I find amazing is that it flies in the face of those states that are still advocating even for children to get vaxd. It seems that the conservatives are slowly waking up to reality now. I see David Pakman is now changing his position post omicron. Sam Harris is now taking an anti-mandate psoition despite having public spats and falling out with some of his best science friends. As per usual, mostly authoritarian governments are the last to wake up. Plus a few obstinate folk that refuse to accept they are on the wrong side of the fence.

BTW - My hypothetical option of targetted protection is what the Barrington Declaration was about, many many months ago. Those people were removed from social media by our authorities. Yet I still think they were correct.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot]I doubt it would bother you anywho, but that's my choice. I am afraid my friend, you fall under the "Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs" category as virtually all anti-vaxers do. For one thing, the Covid virus IS different than any other epidemic, as is the way we handled it, because of the Internet. It is the all time KlusterFuk for vaccination and population health intervention. This is the [b]Purrfekt[/b] Storm for what went wrong and if this wasn't such a pansy virus, it would have been the end of mankind. That's another one of yours and other antivax argument failures. Because the virus is not deadly enough, more people take the risk and make the (wrong) choice not to be vaccinated.

If it's any consolation, YOU WERE RIGHT in the beginning. We should not have tried a vaccine at first. But not for the reasons you list. Your families immunity to other vaccinated diseases is the classic example of herd immunity, and proven because of the successful vaccine program around them and nothing to do with the protoplasm of the individuals or their choices not to vaccinate. I doubt you will believe that but no matter. All your arguments are fallacious. Try and open your mind to the last five or six posts I do on this topic if possible. Or not. Ostee Out. Respect. [/QUOTE]LOL. Are you trying to hint to us that Catwoman is your alter ego? What brought about this rant? I think you have the wrong person. For the 100th time, I am NOT anti-vax, I am pro-choice. I am not anti you fucking hookers without condoms, I am not anti you eating hookers out. My stance is that should be your choice.

I never said a vaccine should not have been tried. I said it should be left to the individual whether they wanted to receive it or not and things such as benefits or employment should not be held over their head for them choosing not to undergo said medical procedure. You are showing who is really coo coo for cocoa puffs around here.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot][b]I don't like to flex muscles especially in a place like this, but if you want credentials AND street cred, trust me, I have them both , in spades.[/b] [/QUOTE]LOL. Dude you are a funny mf!

Now I am going back to my vaccine board where we discuss hookers.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2660724]Individually, neither is 100% effective. However, the cumulative dosing to almost the entire population makes up for the few which the vaccine didn't work on.

For Polio it was pretty easy. The disease can only be spread through fecal material and a person is only infectious for 1-2 weeks. Also polio virus is only found humans. No animals are known to carry it. This is beneficial.[/QUOTE]That is why I defined my terms. I capitulate but do not concede to your opinion. And I will leave you with this one final thought after which you may certainly have the last word, if you wish.

For most clinical data, the most useful measure is the end outcome, and not a measure of the process itself. Smallpox end outcome? Gone, eradicated. Polio? Soon to be the same. For me, your argument is a Red Herring. Ostee out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2660859]LOL. Dude you are a funny mf!.[/QUOTE]I admit to not reading your posts very closely or understanding some of what you write. Sounds like the same for me with you, it feels like you are coming from a different planet sometimes.

[QUOTE=ElCapo;2660741]Legacy airline. Delta, American, United, Alaska, and Hawaiian are the US legacy airlines still in operation. I fly for one of those.[/QUOTE]Looks like the defining factor is some threshold number for how many years they have been in business, I am guessing. No importante. Chao.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2660804]I would like to know in what sense he means corrupted.[/QUOTE]The idea is not new. It has been explained by researchers why it is not feasible. I am trying to understand how he solves the problems scientists have not been able to solve.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2660905]The idea is not new. It has been explained by researchers why it is not feasible. I am trying to understand how he solves the problems scientists have not been able to solve.[/QUOTE]I am still stuck on first base. Am still trying figure out what he is referring to, before I try to understand his theory.

May lead to cheaper flights to Medellin.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2659994]Why is that no one will give you any shit for being wrong about a percentage? LOL. Looks like Canada has some issues.

The number counting with Covid is so fucked up Jimmy Dore did a comedy skit about it: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_HHKttO3yM[/URL].

Then the UK released some numbers with Covid and they were all over the damned place depending on if you wanted to count morbidities.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O7ugdwv3iY[/URL]

So it is pretty clear that the numbers on Covid are being put out there to justify whatever policy the government wants versus being accurate, something I have been harping to you math nuts all the time. The numbers are shit.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/pfizer/2022/02/08/id/1056079/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2661125][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/pfizer/2022/02/08/id/1056079/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, that is the good news. Here is the bad: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pfizer-quietly-adds-language-warning-unfavorable-pre-clinical-clinical-or-safety-data-may[/URL].

Two weeks ago, the FDA begged a Texas judge to delay production on the first monthly batch of 55,000 pages of Covid-19 vaccine data submitted to the agency by Pfizer. Originally, the agency was set to produce just 500 pages-per-month.

Now, Pfizer. Which just forecast $54 billion in Covid-related sales in 2022, appears to be anticipating some bad news, as evidenced by several redline changes in their Q4 earnings releases.

As Rubicon Capital's Kelly Brown notes on Twitter, the changes center around disclosures of unfavorable safety data.

For example, in Q4 they added: "or further information regarding the quality of pre-clinical, clinical or safety data, including by audit or inspection."

The company also notes that Covid-19 may "diminish in severity or prevalence, or disappear entirely."

What's behind the curtain, Pfizer?

End of quote.

Despite the question, we know what is behind the curtain. The vaccines are not safe, and their efficacy is way overblown.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660863]I admit to not reading your posts very closely or understanding some of what you write. Sounds like the same for me with you, it feels like you are coming from a different planet sometimes.[/QUOTE]As other posters have mentioned before, it is you that seem to be on a planet that is not earth so I guess it would seem to you I am on a different planet being that I am fully grounded here on earth. Everyone realizes this is all due to you getting high before jumping on the website sir.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2488357]Oh, and we got majorly fucked up on Tussi both times we connected.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2660953]May lead to cheaper flights to Medellin.[/QUOTE]Less competition usually leads to higher prices.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2660953]May lead to cheaper flights to Medellin.[/QUOTE]I would think other way. Fares can go up to pay for acquisition cost and premium. More consolidation and more monopoly. Airlines in US are worst when it comes to squeezing every penny out of customers. With lame and disgusting service and facilities. Hope we have foreign airliens in domestic routes. Like foreign cars providing quality cars than local.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2661070]...I'll never understand the absurd notion that the price of pussy should never increase...
[/QUOTE]I remember in college, they taught us that price increase is due to inflation. So, if there is zero inflation, or worse deflation, then it's not so absurd to expect prices to stay stable or even decline. I think the world has experienced both at one time or another.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2661261]Airlines in US are worst when it comes to squeezing every penny out of customers. With lame and disgusting service and facilities.[/QUOTE]You may think that until you travel around and get a broader perspective. Once I got in a plane in the Philippines and they would not even let me use the toilet until we got into the air. In Japan an airline made me pay $45 to check in one of those grocery store recycled bags because I already had a backpack and 2 carry on bags was not allowed.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2661261]Hope we have foreign airliens in domestic routes. Like foreign cars providing quality cars than local.[/QUOTE]That is pretty much illegal in most countries.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2661276]I remember in college, they taught us that price increase is due to inflation. So, if there is zero inflation, or worse deflation, then it's not so absurd to expect prices to stay stable or even decline.[/QUOTE]Exactly. How much has the price of rent increased? How much has the price of a taxi ride increased?

I can tell you that for the last 14 years I have been paying $125 per month for my place in Thailand. For the last 14 years I have been paying $30 for a taxi from the Bangkok airport to my place an hour and a half away in Pattaya. Likewise, for the last 14 years I have been giving the chicks in Thailand $30 for all night.

If the price of other things are not going up, then why would the price of pussy, except for the bearing of outisde forces? If there was no internet for chicks to get money with minimal effort, and no foreigners coming in paying more because it is their money and they are on vacation, then the price of pussy in Colombia would have remained the same if the price of everything else remained the same.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2661226]Less competition usually leads to higher prices.[/QUOTE]No competition leads to higher prices, not less competition. Spirit / Frontier will only make up 5% of the American market, still plenty of competition they will have to compete against, usually with more routes and cheaper fairs. I am not an airline expert, but that would be my best guess. I certainly wouldn't mind more flights to Caribbean, Mexico, and Colombia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2661223]As other posters have mentioned before, it is you that seem to be on a planet that is not earth so I guess it would seem to you I am on a different planet being that I am fully grounded here on earth. Everyone realizes this is all due to you getting high before jumping on the website sir..[/QUOTE]I'll take the rest of the universe, jeje. Glad you are so tuned in that you can speak for everyone. I'll remember that. Thanks.

P.S. Please, no Sirs, here. Just friends and lovers.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2661261]I would think other way. Fares can go up to pay for acquisition cost and premium. More consolidation and more monopoly. Airlines in US are worst when it comes to squeezing every penny out of customers. With lame and disgusting service and facilities. Hope we have foreign airliens in domestic routes. Like foreign cars providing quality cars than local.[/QUOTE]ElPostino, it depends on how you do it. What I have seen is that consumers are savvy about fares but not as much else. I flew Viva from Miami to Medellin to Cartagena my last trip. I think the fare was $100 but my carry on cost $95 total ($60 to Cartagena, $35 to Miami with United) one way. Parking was $140 for six days away, and after that, I thought I have to do a better job of planning.

I will park off airport to save in the future and reserve in advance. With the bag fees, there is a United credit card with one year no annual fee and if you use it for your flight, you get one free bag.

With American, I used my miles to get gold status versus a flight and am glad I did. The free bags are worth doing that alone, but I am always in the first half to board, and I also get upgrades to business class domestically when there is an open seat which has been about half the time lately. Also, you get free bags when you use jetblue. My favorite flight to Cartagena is on Jet Blue from Fort Lauderdale.

It is a shame I paid cash for my bag because I just learned American Express Platinum will rebate you $200 on baggage fees if you use their card. I will use that with Spirit and Viva in the future. Amex also rebates you the $100 for Global Entry and TSA precheck. Those two items are almost worth the $695 annual fee, but when you toss in the access to airport lounges, that probably makes the card worth it to me.

The AMEX platinum puts you to gold status automatically with Marriott and Hilton gold and for $89 a year, you can get an IHG card that puts you in the platinum category for Intercontinental hotels and Holiday Inns (don't laugh on HI some places are pretty nice).

These perks have really made flying and staying in hotels cheaper and IMO much better.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2661283]Exactly. How much has the price of rent increased? How much has the price of a taxi ride increased?

I can tell you that for the last 14 years I have been paying $125 per month for my place in Thailand. For the last 14 years I have been paying $30 for a taxi from the Bangkok airport to my place an hour and a half away in Pattaya. Likewise, for the last 14 years I have been giving the chicks in Thailand $30 for all night.

If the price of other things are not going up, then why would the price of pussy, except for the bearing of outisde forces? If there was no internet for chicks to get money with minimal effort, and no foreigners coming in paying more because it is their money and they are on vacation, then the price of pussy in Colombia would have remained the same if the price of everything else remained the same.[/QUOTE]Wrong continent, wrong country. First thing, the exchange rate for the Thai Baht has been quite stable from 2008-2022, with a low of about 3137 and a high of around 3610. That's a maximum variation of about 15%. The Colombian peso had a low in 2008 of 1710 and has exceeded 4000 a maximum variation of about 140%. It's not surprising you pay the same in dollars in Thailand.

Using data from the US, in 2015 the median price for rent was $694. In 2020 the median price is $1104. Although prices in Medellin haven't risen quite as much. The price of food has gone up. The price of transportation and clothing has gone up. And the value of the dollar has gone up.

What that means is that mongers, at least from the US are spending less money for the same things, even if they are spending more pesos. Meanwhile, the Colombians are receiving the same amount or slightly more, but paying more for the same things.

The price of taxis has gone up quite a bit in Medellin. Although it varies, it increases around 8% per year. Metro and bus prices have also increased. I just looked up the apartment I was in in 2017. It went from 1. 6 million pesos to 2. 2 million, a 38% increase in 5 years. For a Colombian that's a big jump. For a gringo it went from $800 per month to $550 per month.

I repeat, if prices have gone up (they have) and the exchange rate has gone up (it has), then a price increase (in Medellin, which is in Colombia, not in Pattaya which is in Thailand) is expected and with the favorable exchange rates, you're still paying less.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2661261]Airlines in US are worst when it comes to squeezing every penny out of customers. [/QUOTE]Not even close. Ryan Air? Pay to use the toilet? Pay for a glass of tap water? Hello?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2660859]LOL. Are you trying to hint to us that Catwoman is your alter ego? What brought about this rant? I think you have the wrong person. For the 100th time, I am NOT anti-vax, I am pro-choice. I am not anti you fucking hookers without condoms, I am not anti you eating hookers out. My stance is that should be your choice.

I never said a vaccine should not have been tried. I said it should be left to the individual whether they wanted to receive it or not and things such as benefits or employment should not be held over their head for them choosing not to undergo said medical procedure. You are showing who is really coo coo for cocoa puffs around here.

LOL. Dude you are a funny mf!

Now I am going back to my vaccine board where we discuss hookers.[/QUOTE]I've asked this before and am still waiting for an answer. Nurses and doctors are required to get a flu shot every year, or they lose their job and benefits. Food service workers in many states are required to be certified free of infectious disease before they can be hired. Teachers require certifications. Even truck drivers are required to pass a physical at least every 2 years. Why hasn't anyone, who is speaking out now about vaccination requirements, been arguing about the loss of "choice" which is a part of many occupations? Why weren't you speaking out 20 years ago about all of the required vaccinations for members of the military?

Why only now speak out about 1 vaccine, when you haven't mentioned any of the other vaccine mandates, some which have been around for 50 years or more?

[QUOtTE=JjBee62;2661396]Name a 15 year period in history with negative or zero inflation every year. Since 1960 the US has had negative inflation once -0. 36% in 2009. In 2015 it was 0. 12%. From 1979-81 inflation rate was 11.25% 13.55% and 10.33%. [/QUOTE]So from 1921 to 1936 was a period when the average inflation rate was negative (although NOT every year).

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2661326]No competition leads to higher prices, not less competition. Spirit / Frontier will only make up 5% of the American market, still plenty of competition they will have to compete against, usually with more routes and cheaper fairs. I am not an airline expert, but that would be my best guess. I certainly wouldn't mind more flights to Caribbean, Mexico, and Colombia.[/QUOTE]But Frontier has no flights to Colombia. While there is some overlap, I doubt it will result in cheaper flights. In markets where they competed, they will likely reduce the number of flights to keep prices high.

You said you bought a fake vax card. I was with some chaps yesterday, who bought their triple vax cards / QRs for see $300. They have travelled widely on them. I didn't push it further. I would be very slow to use same lest I got caught and end up in the Bangkok Hilton or bunking with the MS-13 crew. How much did yours cost?

I am unsure if I will ever push this further. There is, however, one thing, very important to me, that would make me take the plunge and the fake pass.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2661223]As other posters have mentioned before....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2661643]I've asked this before and am still waiting for an answer. Nurses and doctors are required to get a flu shot every year, or they lose their job and benefits. Food service workers in many states are required to be certified free of infectious disease before they can be hired. Teachers require certifications. Even truck drivers are required to pass a physical at least every 2 years. Why hasn't anyone, who is speaking out now about vaccination requirements, been arguing about the loss of "choice" which is a part of many occupations? Why weren't you speaking out 20 years ago about all of the required vaccinations for members of the military?

Why only now speak out about 1 vaccine, when you haven't mentioned any of the other vaccine mandates, some which have been around for 50 years or more?[/QUOTE]Because he's a horse's ass. No more complicated explanation is needed.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2661717]You said you bought a fake vax card.[/QUOTE]I never said that.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2661643]Why only now speak out about 1 vaccine, when you haven't mentioned any of the other vaccine mandates, some which have been around for 50 years or more?[/QUOTE]Because this 1 "vaccine" did not work for you, but all the other ones did.

However, I guess you can technically say it worked for this woman. It made sure that she will never get Covid.

The autopsy report lists Evans cause of death as anaphylaxis due to COVID-19 vaccination.

[url]https://www.live5news.com/2022/02/10/autopsy-confirms-kansas-woman-died-allergic-reaction-covid-19-vaccine/[/url]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2661649][QUOtTE=JjBee62;2661396]Name a 15 year period in history with negative or zero inflation every year. Since 1960 the US has had negative inflation once -0. 36% in 2009. In 2015 it was 0. 12%. From 1979-81 inflation rate was 11.25% 13.55% and 10.33%. [/QUOTE]So from 1921 to 1936 was a period when the average inflation rate was negative (although NOT every year).[/QUOTE]The Carter Years. Worse than excessive inflation and recession.

The best EX-president this country has ever had. And one of the worst in office.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2661717]Fake Vax Cards[/QUOTE]Which one is more acceptable in your opinion? A person that has not been vaccinated and is only travelling when not infected or a person that has been vaccinated and travels on plans while infected?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2661845]Which one is more acceptable in your opinion? A person that has not been vaccinated and is only travelling when not infected or a person that has been vaccinated and travels on plans while infected?[/QUOTE]And is impossible to answer. Have you not been paying attention? The methodology and the data are corrupted beyond the point of usability.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2661845]Which one is more acceptable in your opinion? A person that has not been vaccinated and is only travelling when not infected or a person that has been vaccinated and travels on plans while infected?[/QUOTE]I don't call the shots on that so no point me getting on a moral hypothetical high horse. I am not taking any clot shot and I a m much more socially responsible than the lot dumping their masks everywhere.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2661822].[/QUOTE]My mistake. I thought you said you had a fake cert. Makes no difference to me except in so far as I plan my own moves.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2661833]So from 1921 to 1936 was a period when the average inflation rate was negative (although NOT every year). The Carter Years. ...The best EX-president this country has ever had. And one of the worst in office.[/QUOTE]I agree that Carter has turned out to be a true people's champion. A man of great integrity. Shame he didn't do as well when he was in power.

Inflation is really only damaging if wages do not keep up with it. But even then it is destabilising.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2662040]Inflation is really only damaging if wages do not keep up with it. But even then it is destabilising.[/QUOTE]What about the people on a fixed income, like retirees. No wage increase for them.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2662062]What about the people on a fixed income, like retirees. No wage increase for them.[/QUOTE]Most people on a fixed income are getting Social Security or a Pension and they have annual Cost of Living Increases tied to the rate of inflation.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2662062]What about the people on a fixed income, like retirees. No wage increase for them.[/QUOTE]I guess so, if you want to say that a pension is not a form of income... I see I wrote wages, not income ... ok, ok, not my best thought out comment ever. I stand by my Carter comment though. Hehe.

Just to make up for it, here is a wonderful video about how USAns cope with falling living standards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX8xfo-2EDs

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2661360]ElPostino, it depends on how you do it. What I have seen is that consumers are savvy about fares but not as much else. I flew Viva from Miami to Medellin to Cartagena my last trip. I think the fare was $100 but my carry on cost $95 total ($60 to Cartagena, $35 to Miami with United) one way. Parking was $140 for six days away, and after that, I thought I have to do a better job of planning.

I will park off airport to save in the future and reserve in advance. With the bag fees, there is a United credit card with one year no annual fee and if you use it for your flight, you get one free bag.

With American, I used my miles to get gold status versus a flight and am glad I did. The free bags are worth doing that alone, but I am always in the first half to board, and I also get upgrades to business class domestically when there is an open seat which has been about half the time lately. Also, you get free bags when you use jetblue. My favorite flight to Cartagena is on Jet Blue from Fort Lauderdale.

It is a shame I paid cash for my bag because I just learned American Express Platinum will rebate you $200 on baggage fees if you use their card. I will use that with Spirit and Viva in the future. Amex also rebates you the $100 for Global Entry and TSA precheck. Those two items are almost worth the $695 annual fee, but when you toss in the access to airport lounges, that probably makes the card worth it to me.

The AMEX platinum puts you to gold status automatically with Marriott and Hilton gold and for $89 a year, you can get an IHG card that puts you in the platinum category for Intercontinental hotels and Holiday Inns (don't laugh on HI some places are pretty nice).

These perks have really made flying and staying in hotels cheaper and IMO much better.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsweek.com/oli-london-slams-bill-maher-belittling-him-penis-reduction-plan-1677869[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2661822]Because this 1 "vaccine" did not work for you, but all the other ones did.

However, I guess you can technically say it worked for this woman. It made sure that she will never get Covid.

The autopsy report lists Evans cause of death as anaphylaxis due to COVID-19 vaccination.

[url]https://www.live5news.com/2022/02/10/autopsy-confirms-kansas-woman-died-allergic-reaction-covid-19-vaccine/[/url][/QUOTE]Let's see if I understand you correctly. You base your decision to be anti-vax (for the Covid vaccines) on my personal experience with Covid?

I'm curious how you know if I've never had the flu after getting a flu shot? You might want to check your source, because someone is feeding you false information (or you're just making shit up again).

For the record, the vaccine worked quite well for me. I'm still alive. I consider that a better outcome than being dead. I'll just cut you off on your response. The vast majority of deaths in the past year have been unvaccinated people. The vast majority of vaccinated deaths have been people with 4 or more comorbidities.

As for your wonderful example of 1 person who died from anaphylaxis after getting vaccinated, that's a possibility with any vaccine. For Covid vaccines the rate is 5 cases per 1 million vaccinations. That's cases, not deaths. In most cases, immediate treatment will prevent death. Which is why (at least in the US) each person receiving the vaccine is supposed to stay at the vaccination site for 15 minutes. Anaphylaxis is an allergic reaction. It either happens very quickly, or it doesn't happen. In the one case you found, the woman was a severe risk for anaphylaxis. Did she inform the vaccination clinic of her risk before vaccination?

There were also 3 deaths from thrombosis which are considered to be probably caused by a vaccine. With over 250 million people in the US having received at least 1 dose of a Covid vaccine, 4 deaths is. 016 deaths per million due to vaccination. Compare that to 11,800 deaths per million Covid cases.

Surely you're not stupid enough to believe that. 016 is greater than 11,800?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2661221]Yeah, that is the good news. Here is the bad: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pfizer-quietly-adds-language-warning-unfavorable-pre-clinical-clinical-or-safety-data-may[/URL].

Two weeks ago, the FDA begged a Texas judge to delay production on the first monthly batch of 55,000 pages of Covid-19 vaccine data submitted to the agency by Pfizer. Originally, the agency was set to produce just 500 pages-per-month.

Now, Pfizer. Which just forecast $54 billion in Covid-related sales in 2022, appears to be anticipating some bad news, as evidenced by several redline changes in their Q4 earnings releases.

As Rubicon Capital's Kelly Brown notes on Twitter, the changes center around disclosures of unfavorable safety data.

For example, in Q4 they added: "or further information regarding the quality of pre-clinical, clinical or safety data, including by audit or inspection."

The company also notes that Covid-19 may "diminish in severity or prevalence, or disappear entirely."

What's behind the curtain, Pfizer?

End of quote.

Despite the question, we know what is behind the curtain. The vaccines are not safe, and their efficacy is way overblown.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/stewart-rogan-spotify-iraq/2022/02/11/id/1056537/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2662063]Most people on a fixed income are getting Social Security or a Pension and they have annual Cost of Living Increases tied to the rate of inflation.[/QUOTE]Most private employer pension plans do not include COL adjustments. Social Security uses a Consumer Price Index from the Bureau of Labor. That CPI does not include food and energy. Food and energy make up a large portion of the average retiree's expenditures.

Also, even when there is a COL increase to Social Security, a portion of it is taken by Medicare. During Obama's eight years, there were three years of 0% COL adjustment, and one year the adjustment was completely consumed by Medicare.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2662143]Let's see if I understand you correctly. You base your decision to be anti-vax (for the Covid vaccines) on my personal experience with Covid?[/QUOTE]Maybe you do not understand yourself correctly. Go back and read your original question to which my answer applied before responding on a tangent and applying a far-off assumption to my answer for a specific question that you asked.

You: What color is the sky?

Me: Blue.

You: So let me see if I understand you correctly. You like mustard on your hotdog because the sky is blue.

Me: Huh? You asked me nothing about hotdogs or condiments that go on them.

P. S. I have no idea why on each page of this thread some moron that obviously does not read English well says that I am anti-vax no matter how many times I say that I am pro-choice, not anti-vax.

Reminds me when we used to go to the Pro Bowl in Hawaii and the more you tell people you are not an NFL player, the more they swear that you are. So fuck it. We just started signing balls and accepting invitations to the VIPs just like the real players. I AM NOT ANTI-VAX and never claimed to be.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2662231]Maybe you do not understand yourself correctly. Go back and read your original question to which my answer applied before responding on a tangent and applying a far-off assumption to my answer for a specific question that you asked.

You: What color is the sky?

Me: Blue.

You: So let me see if I understand you correctly. You like mustard on your hotdog because the sky is blue.

Me: Huh? You asked me nothing about hotdogs or condiments that go on them.

P. S. I have no idea why on each page of this thread some moron that obviously does not read English well says that I am anti-vax no matter how many times I say that I am pro-choice, not anti-vax.

Reminds me when we used to go to the Pro Bowl in Hawaii and the more you tell people you are not an NFL player, the more they swear that you are. So fuck it. We just started signing balls and accepting invitations to the VIPs just like the real players. I AM NOT ANTI-VAX and never claimed to be.[/QUOTE]Thank you for giving me the opportunity to once again show how full of shit you are, and thanks for making it so easy. My original question:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2661643]
Why only now speak out about 1 vaccine, when you haven't mentioned any of the other vaccine mandates, some which have been around for 50 years or more?[/QUOTE]It was a reasonably simple question. Here's your reply:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2661822]Because this 1 "vaccine" did not work for you, but all the other ones did.
[/QUOTE]How simple can it be? "Because this 1 'vaccine' did not work for you, but all the other ones did. " Not only does it show that my response was perfectly valid, it also gives another example why people keep saying you're anti-vax. I'll try to make it simple for you. I doubt if I can make it simple enough, because ISG doesn't allow the use of crayons. Before I continue, let me correct your make believe conversation.

Me: What color is the sky?

You: Blue.

Me: Actually the sky has no color. It appears blue, most of the time because of scattering of sunlight.

You: I never said the sky was blue. Go back and look at your original question.

Me: I did. I asked what color is the sky and you answered "blue. ".

You: You don't understand English.

Back to showing how full of shit you are.

You put vaccine in quotes. One common use of quotes is to show something isn't what it claims to be. For example, when anyone mentions you as a reliable source of information, they should write it as "reliable. ".

There is a ridiculous amount of data showing the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines, from just about every health agency in the world. Certainly enough to show they are indeed vaccines. Regardless of what you might say, which has been shown to be mostly bullshit, claiming a vaccine is not a vaccine certainly makes the anti-vax label justified. However, there's plenty more.

You just brought up the only case that has proven to be caused by a Covid vaccine. One confirmed death in the US of over 250 million people who have received at least 1 dose of the vaccine. Compare that to 917 k Covid deaths in the US and anyone thinking 1 death is more important than 917 k deaths is either the world's biggest idiot, or just another anti-vax idiot.

Of course there's quite a bit more evidence that you're anti-vax. Several times you've posted about someone who is vaccinated who, according to you (a "reliable" source) had Covid and compared them to someone unvaccinated who hasn't had Covid (according to the same "reliable" source). You even famously claimed to have proof of a vaccinated person who had 2 separate Covid infections in less than 1 month, something not one single doctor or researcher on earth has proof of. Why?

I'll ask again. Why? Even in the preliminary studies on each vaccine it was shown they are not 100% effective at preventing infection, the same as every other vaccine. That was before all of the variants. Only an anti-vax idiot would expect a vaccine, which was already shown by the manufacturers to not be 100% effective at preventing infection, to be 100% effective against every variant. So why repeatedly point out individual cases of vaccinated people who got infected, while also pointing out unvaccinated people who haven't been infected? Except to reinforce an idiotic anti-vax position, it makes no sense. You might as well point out a Chevrolet broken down on the road and point out a Ford that isn't broken down, while suggesting that all Chevrolets break down and no Fords ever break down.

To further clarify my point, I know of several ISG members who have suggested they never do certain things, who have confided in me they do those things. Which is true? What they post or what they say?

Are you familiar with the saying "Actions speak louder than words?" You can say anything about yourself, but that doesn't make it true.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2662231]I AM NOT ANTI-VAX and never claimed to be.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are anti-vax, you just don't realize it.

Your viewpoint is untenable, morally and philosophically. Being for or against vaccines is not amoral, especially at this point in the Klusterfuck. And your viewpoint will become less so over time, but picking one side and then stating what every one else doesn't matter, is a pure and simple cop-out.

I could also build a logical argument to prove my same point, if I were inclined to put in the time and energy. This is not abortion, which is an intensely personal decision that does not directly effect others. Whether you realize or accept it or not, your choice is the same as anti-vax, and that is the natural reason why you come across as anti-vax and a bit confused. There is a disconnect between your words and actions. You keep saying it yourself, "Why do people think I am anti-vax?" One of the all-time classic pitfalls, your argument supports a viewpoint you say you do not have, jeje.

I realize that you don't know what you don't know about this and this will post not budge your opinion one iota, but it might help a few others understand. If it's any consolation, in the long run, it won't matter what side people take. With vaccines, as time goes by, the protection from infection declines. Unfortunately, there's been little discussion about this. But you will have to continue to deal with the ramifications once this vaccine becomes mandated. You have time.

You may certainly have the last word if you wish. There is nothing you can write that will alter my point. If by some miracle you do have a never before realized conceptual toehold, I would be the first to admit it The path of least resistance, less harm, and greater good is to get vaccinated. You will probably never realize that, the same as the anti-vaxers, not coincidentally. You are one of them, own it. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2662231]Reminds me when we used to go to the Pro Bowl in Hawaii and the more you tell people you are not an NFL player, the more they swear that you are. So fuck it. We just started signing balls and accepting invitations to the VIPs just like the real players. I AM NOT ANTI-VAX and never claimed to be.[/QUOTE]Hehe, and did you get to run on and score any last minute goalkicks too?

A very common trait. I have accused Jpaedo of doing it before, but he didn't understand it then either. They love to assign labels to you so that they can attack you based on the attributes that they assign to that label. It makes their job easier bcos they are usually hopless positions. The problem with that line of argument is that they fail to understand your true position and they end up strawmanning you the whole time.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2661867]And is impossible to answer. Have you not been paying attention? The methodology and the data are corrupted beyond the point of usability.[/QUOTE]Only if you use the idea of corrupted data to backup your argument like you are doing in this reply. That is the cases of a lot of arguments here. I think secretly Elvis, Mr E, and JB are best friends. LOL. There are enough data around that you don't need to use Covid specific data for information.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2662452]Only if you use the idea of corrupted data to backup your argument like you are doing in this reply. That is the cases of a lot of arguments here. I think secretly Elvis, Mr E, and JB are best friends. LOL. There are enough data around that you don't need to use Covid specific data for information.[/QUOTE]You made a factual statement. So then I suppose the question remains, who is right on this issue? People using corrupted data to solve problems are by definition, delusional.

You may certainly have the last word on this thread if you wish, I am begging off. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2662452]Only if you use the idea of corrupted data to backup your argument like you are doing in this reply.[/QUOTE]Unless you agree on what you are discussing, its pointless to debate. Seems obvious that we have more than one definition for anti-vax here. And I still have no idea what osteo means by corrupted. Does he mean like contaminated, spoiled. Due to what? Too many concurrent influences?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2662490]... And I still have no idea what osteo means by corrupted. Does he mean like contaminated, spoiled. ...[/QUOTE]Something like this. I am too lazy to find the other post.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2660615]...The initial death rate was acceptable based on known data before it became corrupted. The vast majority of the deaths from the first wave was 80-90% or people who would have died from all causes within the next two years anyway. ....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2662490].. Seems obvious that we have more than one definition for anti-vax here...[/QUOTE]There is a range of reasons why people don't want vaccine. They are all lumped together by the other side. We read vaccinated people knowingly fly while infected and that seems OK. Isn't that strange?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2662493]We read vaccinated people knowingly fly while infected and that seems OK. Isn't that strange?[/QUOTE]Strange, but understandable. Either they are being hypocritical, or more likely, their decision to fly does not conflict with the belief they hold about anti-vaxers, which as you pointed out are myriad.

Now you know what I am going to say next but I will anyway. It doesn't matter.

Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2662340]Hehe, and did you get to run on and score any last minute goalkicks too?

A very common trait. I have accused Jpaedo of doing it before, but he didn't understand it then either. They love to assign labels to you so that they can attack you based on the attributes that they assign to that label. It makes their job easier bcos they are usually hopless positions. The problem with that line of argument is that they fail to understand your true position and they end up strawmanning you the whole time.[/QUOTE]You continue to be the master of unintended irony.

The best part of your irony is that you won't read my posts, but continue to refer to me. And as you so often do, you accuse others of the things you are guilty of. Just one example is needed. You decided, based on absolutely nothing, that I engage in Pedophilia. Technically your accusation is contrary to the available data. Several times I've posted about the risks involved and how avoid accidentally picking up a girl under 18. Plus I'm reasonably well known in Medellin and frequently spend time with other BMs. I welcome your inquiries on the subject.

Meanwhile, in all my time on ISG, only 1 person has posted that he was mongering in Medellin with 3 children. That was you.

On the subject of you and MrE claiming you're not anti-vax, I've called bullshit many times and I will continue to do so.

It's like you, ridiculously simple. I can post that I'm a vegan. I can even post a picture of me enjoying a vegan meal in a vegan restaurant, which I occasionally do, minus the pictures. However, if 19 of 20 meals are centered around meat, my claim of practicing veganism is bogus.

Which brings us back to your bullshit claim that you're not anti-vax.

You have stated that your opposition to the vaccine is due to veganism. However, you have repeatedly posted about the ineffectiveness of the vaccines. As I've mentioned before, if you have a personal, moral objection to the vaccine, except when directly asked about your vaccination status, the subject is closed. Nothing more is required. However, you frequently post anti-vax propaganda. Why? Are you too clueless to understand that your moral position applies only to you?

While we're at it, let's look at your claim of moral opposition due to veganism. It turns out that's just another of your lies.

You have claimed to monger in Medellin. Other than the children you mongered with, were there at least a few adults? Can I assume you, at least occasionally, monger with people who aren't children and aren't vegans? If that's accurate, you're buying meat, milk and other animal products. Even worse, in some cases you're buying, certified tested on animals cosmetics.

Where did that moral objection go? On the one hand you're mortified by the thought of using a vaccine tested on animals (without ever taking a moral position on all the drugs tested on animals) but you have no reservations against giving money to women (and apparently children) with the knowledge they will use the money to buy meat and products tested on animals.

Case closed. You're just another anti-vax idiot.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2662285]Thank you for giving me the opportunity to once again show how full of shit you are, and thanks for making it so easy.[/QUOTE]The only opportunity you got was to show everyone that you are on that same shit that your boy Osteo is on. You write shit and yet do not even understand the shit that you wrote.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2661643]Why only now speak out about 1 vaccine, when you haven't mentioned any of the other vaccine mandates, some which have been around for 50 years or more?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2661822]Because this 1 "vaccine" did not work for you, but all the other ones did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2662143]Let's see if I understand you correctly. You base your decision to be anti-vax (for the Covid vaccines) on my personal experience with Covid?[/QUOTE]I did not say anything about being anti-vax. I did not say anything about a decision to be antivax. Your question was:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2661643][b]Why only now speak out about 1 vaccine,[/b] when you haven't mentioned any of the other vaccine mandates, some which have been around for 50 years or more?[/QUOTE]

My answer was:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2661822]Because this 1 "vaccine" did not work for you, but all the other ones did.[/QUOTE]

Any other answer you attribute to me concerning this question came from your own imagination or that shit y'all are sniffing or smoking or however you are ingesting it. He already admitted that he has a problem. I guess he can attribute his erratic behavior to that. Now it is your turn to confess. Unless you just left your glasses at home and you are having a hard time reading English.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot]Bwah haha, you got powned and you don't know what to say to my post about your being Anti-vax and not knowing it. Post this in the Public Forum, I want you to! Making it easier for you to copy and paste.

Ostee Out! Never stop, Keep On Keepin' On[/QUOTE]LOL. This mf is purrfektly coked up out of his mind. That is why nobody in either thread understands what the fuck he is talking about except himself.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2662544]This mf is purrfektly coked up out of his mind. That is why nobody in either thread understands what the fuck he is talking about except himself.[/QUOTE]Except that I hate coke.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2662544] You write shit and yet do not even understand the shit that you wrote.[/QUOTE]That's cute, you wrote ghetto for "You don't know what you don't know".

I might steal it and use it, jaja.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2662544]The only opportunity you got was to show everyone that you are on that same shit that your boy Osteo is on. You write shit and yet do not even understand the shit that you wrote..[/QUOTE]It's so fun dealing with the terminally stupid. They constantly fall to understand what is right under their nose.

You said it yourself. I quoted it, now you've quoted it twice in the same message. Yet you keep insisting that the words don't mean what they clearly mean. I'll repeat it again, just to clarify for the few who still think you aren't an idiot.

I asked why you are speaking out about the Covid vaccines, but none of the others. You responded (paraphrasing) that you're speaking out about the Covid vaccines, because the Covid vaccine didn't work for me. You also stated that you haven't spoken out about any other vaccine, because all the other vaccines worked for me (I'm amazed how a few idiots here claim to know more about my medical records than any of my doctors).

To make it simple, you said your opposition to the Covid vaccine is based upon my experience of getting infected after being vaccinated. Period. There's nothing ambiguous about it. Your silly claim of being pro-choice is false, if your decision is based on my experience.

Instead of admitting your answer was bullshit, you doubled down, twice, by claiming I didn't understand what I wrote. Then you went for the full cranial rectal insertion by declaring I'm on drugs, specifically cocaine.

In the past 35 years I've used, drugs 3 times. Once was tussi. One of the guys I was partying with held a tiny spoon with a tiny bit of tussi up to my nostril and I inhaled. A small amount went up my nose, but not enough to cause any noticeable effect.

Several hours earlier, on the balcony at Gusto, we were talking to some girls and one of them handed me a joint. I took a minimal puff and passed it on. I left the balcony before it came around again. Probably 6 months later a girl came to my apartment to hang out. She asked for taxi money and 10 k to buy some weed. I paid 40 k in total and she spent about 3 hours. I took one long pull and that was it. It had been a very long time since I'd actually smoked weed and wanted to see if I was missing out on anything. I wasn't.

I don't have any interest in drugs. I've seen too many people put themselves in any early grave. Other than having a few beers on vacation, I rarely drink. There are many reasons. Two of the biggest biggest are that I see no reason to further damage my health and because I really enjoy my job.

I'm subject to drug and alcohol testing at any time. Failing a drug test can take away my license for up to 5 years. To me it's not worth it.

It's funny how you say I'm just imagining things when you show that my response are completely accurate, but then you come up with a fantasy involving me and cocaine.

Your other fantasy, the one where everyone thought you were an NFL player, including NFL players was funnier. It ranks up there with the guy who claimed he spent 6 years fighting in the Vietnam war, when he was only 11 at the end of the Vietnam war. He might be your soulmate.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2662214]Most private employer pension plans do not include COL adjustments. Social Security uses a Consumer Price Index from the Bureau of Labor. That CPI does not include food and energy. Food and energy make up a large portion of the average retiree's expenditures.

Also, even when there is a COL increase to Social Security, a portion of it is taken by Medicare. During Obama's eight years, there were three years of 0% COL adjustment, and one year the adjustment was completely consumed by Medicare.[/QUOTE]Well now. You are correct that most private pension plans do not include COLA adjustments but there are very few left. The majority of pensions today are for State and Local government employees and they largely do include COLA adjustments.

Social Security uses CPI-W to compute the annual COLA adjustment. CPI-W measures the spending of Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers and it does include food and energy. Core CPI does exclude food and energy prices because of volatility but that isn't the index used.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Consumer_Price_Index[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bls.gov/help/one_screen/cw.htm[/URL]

The average Social Security benefit is $1,500 monthly and medicare is less than $300 monthly. So for the average Social Security recipient, medicare is less than 20% of their monthly income.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2662544]The only opportunity you got was to show everyone that you are on that same shit that your boy Osteo is on. You write shit and yet do not even understand the shit that you wrote.[/QUOTE]Do not respond to JJBee, Mr. E. he went on a plane while infected, spread the virus to God knows how many people and is saying you are an idiot. He is now saying the vaccine "worked" for him. For the people who he gave the virus to not so much.

I was shocked when I read fellow mongers in the USA thinking they were "law abiding" citizens as they were paying for hos. The women who are and were hos thought the same thing.

Now we have mongers fucking everything that walks lecturing about how to prevent the spread of disease. You can't make this stuff up.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2662769]The average Social Security benefit is $1,500 monthly and medicare is less than $300 monthly. So for the average Social Security recipient, medicare is less than 20% of their monthly income.[/QUOTE]Unless, of course, you actually have to USE Medicare. Then you face all sorts of deductibles and co-pays even though you've already paid 1.45% and / or 2. 9% of every single motherfucking dollar you ever earned in your life. Medicare sucks shit through a straw.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2662622]Your other fantasy, the one where everyone thought you were an NFL player, including NFL players was funnier. It ranks up there with the guy who claimed he spent 6 years fighting in the Vietnam war, when he was only 11 at the end of the Vietnam war. He might be your soulmate.[/QUOTE]I can see how a big, fat, black dude with an attitude would get mistaken for an NFL player at the time of the Pro Bowl in Hawaii. That's not too much of a stretch.

Oh, was that mean of me? Well, look where we are. Stupid Shit, and you got to take the lumps you have coming. Jajajjaajajaaa.

Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2662791]Do not respond to JJBee, Mr. E. he went on a plane while infected, spread the virus to God knows how many people and is saying you are an idiot. He is now saying the vaccine "worked" for him. For the people who he gave the virus to not so much.

I was shocked when I read fellow mongers in the USA thinking they were "law abiding" citizens as they were paying for hos. The women who are and were hos thought the same thing.

Now we have mongers fucking everything that walks lecturing about how to prevent the spread of disease. You can't make this stuff up.[/QUOTE]Approx how many did he infect? How many did they infect and so on.

And how many eventually died because of that psychotic POS?

08-02-21 14:40#1558.

JjBee62.

Posts: 3943.

Walk away.

Mostly this thread is just a bit of fun for me. I've been in this environment most of my life, slinging insults with no real animosity. It's part of growing up in a big family, part of serving in the military and part of working blue collar jobs around guys who have had to work for everything in life. You talk a bit of trash, have a beer and laugh.

However, some people can't differentiate. I learned that decades ago, when my friends and I spent our free time playing dungeons and dragons. For most it was just a game, but for a few it became their reality.

That's why I'm walking away from the Stupid Shit threads. When guys start wishing I would die, when guys start claiming they are gods, it's no longer just fun and games. It's become a new reality, a dangerous new reality.

2,436,812,093 - the number of Colombians I infected.

419,251,994 - the number of Colombians who died.

Here's what she considers funny on 08.01.21.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2662791]Now we have mongers fucking everything that walks lecturing about how to prevent the spread of disease. You can't make this stuff up.[/QUOTE]Well that certainly was not JjBabbleOn by any stretch of the imagination. According to his reports, he went all the way to Medellin just to take chicks out for free lunches and give them a complimentary dose of C-19. At least Osteo actually fucks his dope fiends instead of just inviting them to all-you-can-snort.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2662791]You can't make this stuff up.[/QUOTE]Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2662894]Well that certainly was not JjBabbleOn by any stretch of the imagination. According to his reports, he went all the way to Medellin just to take chicks out for free lunches and give them a complimentary dose of C-19. At least Osteo actually fucks his dope fiends instead of just inviting them to all-you-can-snort.[/QUOTE]Good joke. You made me laugh.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2662791]Do not respond to JJBee, Mr. E. he went on a plane while infected, spread the virus to God knows ...[/QUOTE]JB did not do that.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2662931]JB did not do that.[/QUOTE]Nounce, JJBee said he got Covid from his brother and then like a week or so later got on a plane. He had symptoms prior to getting on the plane and said they were not Covid related, and I told him they were. Infections start 2 to 10 days after exposure to Covid and before omicron, peak time to infection was 5 days. If his brother gave it to him, how could he not have had it in that time frame? He went on a plane when sick and thought he did not have Covid but he did. This was at a time when people thought it was rare that you could catch Covid when vaccinated, and his doctors did not diagnose him with Covid.

Normally, I would not call him out on this and say if your doctors are wrong, you have an excuse. However, he has been blabbing about knowing all about Covid for years and he is calling Mr. E an idiot. JJBee's behavior, given what he has done, is inexcusable. He has no business calling anyone else an idiot on anything Covid related.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2662931]JB did not do that.[/QUOTE]Technically I did do that. However, I had none of the classic symptoms, had not been tested and had no idea I was infected when I got on the plane.

As soon as I developed symptoms, I checked out of my apartment 2 days early, got in my rental car and drove back to Bogota. When I arrived, I scheduled a Covid test. As soon as the results came back positive, I informed the hotel and began sending messages to everyone I had been in contact with. I remained quarantined until 3 days after the symptoms disappeared and had a doctor come to certify I was recovered.

Elvis and MrE like to make things up. Their choice. They prefer to pretend I knew I was infected, but neither of them has been able to explain the discrepancies.

If I knew I was infected and got on the plane, why did I immediately quarantine when I tested positive? If I knew I was infected, why didn't I get tested as soon as I arrived and then get a certificate of recovery before my return flight? It would have saved me a lot of money.

Why would I have informed my friends of my positive test, if I didn't care enough about their health to avoid seeing them?

Let me just add something about Elvis. Long ago he posted something that claimed there was no risk of infecting anyone on a plane. Yet he claims I infected everyone on a plane. How is that possible?

Both he and MrE claimed I infected people all over South America and MrE claimed I infected everyone in Medellin. Again, how is that possible? Especially considering the number of new cases in Colombia dropped during my visit and for at least 3 months after I left?

It's unfortunate they can only be dishonest. Otherwise it's possible they could contribute something useful. Maybe I give them more credit than they deserve.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2662894]Well that certainly was not JjBabbleOn by any stretch of the imagination. According to his reports, he went all the way to Medellin just to take chicks out for free lunches and give them a complimentary dose of C-19. At least Osteo actually fucks his dope fiends instead of just inviting them to all-you-can-snort.[/QUOTE]I seem to remember:

1. You are unable to read more than 2 sentences of my reports, and.

2. You're supposed to be too busy fucking to respond to me.

Too bad you lied about #1 (although with that pathological lying thing, it's to be expected), and apparently can't manage to do any fucking.

It's kind of funny for someone who said he used to help get a girl drunk and then line up with a bunch of other guys just for the chance to stick his dick into a pussy already full of cum from 10 other guys, getting on his high horse about some guy fucking girls who do drugs.

It's also funny that you're so upset that I buy girls lunch. That's just the tip of the iceberg. I once gave a guy 150 k so he could fuck the girl he'd been hanging out with all night. I guess I never got the memo that I'm supposed to get your permission before spending any money. Do you have someplace for me to send my expense report for pre-approval?

Or is the real issue that you simply can't afford to spend $5-$10 buying someone a meal? After all, you you only talk about staying in the cheapest places, you mostly go to the cheapest bars, cheapest restaurants and don't seem to care what a girl looks like, as long as you don't have to pay her. When you do pay for sex, it's only with the cheapest available girls.

I guess I should have PMed you when I posted about the women eating out of the garbage. You could have gotten a free meal and some free pussy too.

What can I say? I make a decent amount of money, and my expenses are minimal. I can afford to stay in nice places, eat good food and pay for women who make me happy. As a bonus, I don't need to fuck senior citizens.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2662872]I can see how a big, fat, black dude with an attitude would get mistaken for an NFL player at the time of the Pro Bowl in Hawaii. That's not too much of a stretch.

Oh, was that mean of me? Well, look where we are. Stupid Shit, and you got to take the lumps you have coming. Jajajjaajajaaa.

Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]Nope. Pure fantasy. He's too short. Anyone that short in the NFL better be a too talent, or he's never going to get a chance.

Here's a funny one for you. Starting 15-20 years ago, women would come up to me and ask if I was a pretty famous Country Music star. I was confused the first few times until one woman showed me a picture. There's a resemblance. One woman even ran up and threw her arms around me and told me she loved me, which baffled the cashier at the restaurant (yep, I evexx pay for my own meals).

But they all believed me when I told them I'm not that guy. Although one woman asked to take a picture with me so she could make her friends jealous.

I doubt if his band mates, would have believed I was him after I told them I wasn't.

Just like no NFL player is going to believe someone is an NFL player after he said he wasn't. And how many NFL players are going to invite an unknown man to a VIP party?

Unless MrE is actually a woman.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2662826]Unless, of course, you actually have to USE Medicare. Then you face all sorts of deductibles and co-pays even though you've already paid 1.45% and / or 2. 9% of every single motherfucking dollar you ever earned in your life. Medicare sucks shit through a straw.[/QUOTE]Don't forget that in 2003, when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and a Republican was president, they passed the law making it illegal for Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2662931]JB did not do that.[/QUOTE]Elvis has never let the truth or facts get in the way of the story he wants to tell.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663017]Nope. Pure fantasy.[/QUOTE]I used to get mistaken for a well know celebrity more than once and I finally figured out the folks wanted the buy-in to the fantasy so I stopped denying it, signed a couple of autographs, got a free dinner and a free haircut. Then the guy could say "So-and-so" was in my shop, jajaja, I get it.

You obviously exchange banter with Mr. E more often than I do. I had him on my Ignore List for the longest time for inconsistency, hyperbole and exaggeration but I think he is sincere and has veracity. He would probably pass a lie detector test for a lot of the bullshit he espouses but of course, that doesn't make him right. He is a master of deflection, projection and denial.

As far as his spooning buddy Elvis, that guy was so clueless, I think he was one of the first on my Ignore List where he stays. No harm, no foul, mainly I use the Ignore List as a time-management device to keep from getting sucked into to meaning, endless circular debates, the kind you seem to enjoy so much, jajaja. I don't know how you do it.

I get a kick when I read the image people form in their heads about me and others, when they really have no idea. Classic example of how the brain fills in gaps consistent with their own biases and beliefs when people won't acknowledge they don't know what they don't know. That is the most common pitfall for error on these boards that are populated by people with above average intelligence but have no grasp of their knowledge gaps. I haven't figured out why they love to post on boards so much but the phenomenon is prevalent on the Internet.

All we can do is Keep on Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663008]……As soon as the results came back positive, I informed the hotel and began sending messages to everyone I had been in contact with…….

Why would I have informed my friends of my positive test, if I didn't care enough about their health to avoid seeing them?..[/QUOTE]I can confirm that JjBee62 is being truthful. We had lunch together one afternoon and a few days later he notified me that he had tested positive for CoVid and that I should be aware and take whatever precautions or steps I deemed necessary. I was tested and had a negative result. I appreciated the honesty and integrity that he displayed by notifying people he had had contact with to make them aware.

I wonder. Would Elvis or Mr. E or JustTK have demonstrated any of the same level of integrity? Hmmm?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2662994]Normally, I would not call him out on this and say if your doctors are wrong, you have an excuse. However, he has been blabbing about knowing all about Covid for years and he is calling Mr. E an idiot. JJBee's behavior, given what he has done, is inexcusable. He has no business calling anyone else an idiot on anything Covid related.[/QUOTE]You are constantly being mocked as someone that makes stories up, yet Jpaedo is the master of it. He strawmans everyone to push his own agenda.

A great case in point is his last comment to me. He wrote 32 sentences (quite short for the master of Why Write Something Concise When You Can Bore Everyone to Death By Writing a Thesis? In that short space, ignoring the insults, he managed to lie 3 times, made 8 false inferences, and distracted to irrelevance. That would be just about every time he opened his mouth to speak, certainly with every point he tried to make.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663008]Technically I did do that. However, I had none of the classic symptoms[/QUOTE]Classic symptoms? No, you are just too stupid to know what the symptoms of Covid are. YOU are the idiot.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663008]They prefer to pretend I knew I was infected, but neither of them has been able to explain the discrepancies.[/QUOTE]I just said your doctors did not tell you had Covid and you did not know you were infected. You are a POS liar. Again.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663008]Elvis and MrE like to make things up.[/QUOTE]And here you go lying again.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663008]Let me just add something about Elvis. Long ago he posted something that claimed there was no risk of infecting anyone on a plane. Yet he claims I infected everyone on a plane.[/QUOTE]Those studies were anecdotal and on earlier variants. I did not say you infected anyone. You exposed everyone, and God knows how many people got Covid because of you.

You made really, really stupid choices with your illness.

And honestly, it is disgusting that you show no remorse about your behavior. You have no right to criticize Mr. E or anyone else on Covid. None.

Do you know what the definition of a Democratic douche is? Someone who criticizes the unvaxxed but does not criticize you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663008]Technically I did do that. However, [/QUOTE]Technically? No that is EXACTLY what you did do. However? Seems like you are about to come up with an excuse why having a vaccination card worked so well to keep you and other selfish (according to Huancho), infected people like you from entering Colombia and spreading disease. Oh, it did not.

Your infected ass went anyway showing that worthless vaccination card with a smug, shit-eating grin on your face! Ignorance is no excuse for you running around from country to country giving out Covid like Slow Biden giving out crack pipes.(We know Osteo will put his to good use.)

You could have just Western Unioned those poor people the money and watched them eat lunch on a video call. You did not have to make you passing Covid to them a stipulation of your free lunch program. I have heard of steak, lobster, and dick. But you gave them a diet of steak, lobster, and Covid and have absolutely no shame about it. They should lock you away in that prison Huancho was talking about.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663008]Technically I did do that...[/QUOTE]Do you mean the leg from USA to Bogota? How many days after you arrived before you developed symptom?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663008]...Elvis and MrE like to make things up. Their choice. They prefer to pretend I knew I was infected, but neither of them has been able to explain the discrepancies....[/QUOTE]I think you guys are best friends trying to get under each other's skin.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2663165]Do you mean the leg from USA to Bogota? How many days after you arrived before you developed symptom?

I think you guys are best friends trying to get under each other's skin.[/QUOTE]Yes, the leg from the US to Bogota. I got sick, went to the hospital, they checked me out, couldn't find anything and sent me home. They did an echocardiogram, a brain scan, blood and urine testing and found nothing definitive. They didn't test for Covid, since there was no fever, no cough, no shortness of breath and nothing they could find to indicate the problem. After 2 days of rest, I felt fine and decided to go for a shortened trip. I started coughing and felt feverish after 8 days. The next day I cancelled the girls I was going to see, checked out and drove to Bogota.

The rest of the story you already know.

Nope. Not friends at all. I only make fun of them because it's so easy and they almost never contribute anything useful.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2663160]Technically? No that is EXACTLY what you did do. However? Seems like you are about to come up with an excuse why having a vaccination card worked so well to keep you and other selfish (according to Huancho), infected people like you from entering Colombia and spreading disease. Oh, it did not.

Your infected ass went anyway showing that worthless vaccination card with a smug, shit-eating grin on your face! Ignorance is no excuse for you running around from country to country giving out Covid like Slow Biden giving out crack pipes.(We know Osteo will put his to good use.)

You could have just Western Unioned those poor people the money and watched them eat lunch on a video call. You did not have to make you passing Covid to them a stipulation of your free lunch program. I have heard of steak, lobster, and dick. But you gave them a diet of steak, lobster, and Covid and have absolutely no shame about it. They should lock you away in that prison Huancho was talking about.[/QUOTE]You're a complete enigma. It shouldn't be possible for an infected pussy fart to read and reply (mostly incoherently) on an online forum, but somehow you manage.

I've already made you the offer to come, sit down with my doctors and review my medical records. But you would rather have your little fantasy, than have to face reality. Nothing more than another fat coward afraid to look at the truth.

Since in the true coward's way you decided to only quote one sentence, here is some more of it:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663008]Elvis and MrE like to make things up. Their choice. They prefer to pretend I knew I was infected, but neither of them has been able to explain the discrepancies.

If I knew I was infected and got on the plane, why did I immediately quarantine when I tested positive? If I knew I was infected, why didn't I get tested as soon as I arrived and then get a certificate of recovery before my return flight? It would have saved me a lot of money.

Why would I have informed my friends of my positive test, if I didn't care enough about their health to avoid seeing them?[/QUOTE]So give us some answers you bloated, incontinent warthog.

Explain the discrepancies. If I had no concern about infecting others, why did I quarantine after the positive test. I could have easily just altered the email to show a negative result? That would have easily saved me $2000, more than your limited budget for pussy over the next 30 years.

If I just wanted to extend my vacation, why not go to a cheaper hotel? If I knew I was positive, why waste money on a test? All I needed to do was call my boss and get an additional 2 weeks paid time off. Or I could have just altered the test results, flown home and relaxed at home for 2 weeks.

As far as that goes, why wouldn't I just stay in Medellin? After I reported I was positive, 3 women I knew offered to come spend 2 weeks in quarantine with me. Why report I was positive at all? If I, as you believe in your damaged and diseased mind, was actually trying to infect others, why even admit I had Covid?

I'll ask that again, because you apparently have the cognitive ability of plaster. Why admit I had Covid on ISG, if I was knowingly and intentionally infecting others?

Let's see some answers. Since you're obviously not doing any of that fucking you said would be keeping you busy, you've got plenty of time to use your incredible logic to point out how any of your bullshit makes sense.

I understand you completely. Your poor diseased vagina is hurting because I pointed out a few of your obvious lies. Instead of getting some Monistat7 to deal with the infection, you have to try and bring me down. I've offered you the opportunity. My medical records are just waiting for you to come and prove whether or not you're right. But that would require you to face reality and we both know your sad little ego can't handle that.

So what's it going to be fat boy? Tell me when you're ready to fly and I'll buy you a plane ticket, so you can come up and find out who is full of shit. I'll even take you out for steak and lobster, but you'll have to get the dick you crave from someone else.

Or would you rather to continue to make yourself look like a silly, festering twat?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2662994]Nounce, JJBee said he got Covid from his brother and then like a week or so later got on a plane. He had symptoms prior to getting on the plane and said they were not Covid related, and I told him they were. Infections start 2 to 10 days after exposure to Covid and before omicron, peak time to infection was 5 days. If his brother gave it to him, how could he not have had it in that time frame? He went on a plane when sick and thought he did not have Covid but he did. This was at a time when people thought it was rare that you could catch Covid when vaccinated, and his doctors did not diagnose him with Covid.

Normally, I would not call him out on this and say if your doctors are wrong, you have an excuse. However, he has been blabbing about knowing all about Covid for years and he is calling Mr. E an idiot. JJBee's behavior, given what he has done, is inexcusable. He has no business calling anyone else an idiot on anything Covid related.[/QUOTE]You left out something. It's perfectly acceptable to call someone an idiot, if they're an idiot and both you and MrsE pass the idiot test with flying colors. Plus, neither of you seems able to tell the truth.

Let's revisit the timeline.

After an extremely long week, with very little sleep I started feeling bad on my way home from work (a 2 hour drive). I assumed it was simple exhaustion. 4 days in a row of 14+ hours of work and an average of 3 hours of sleep tends to wear a person down. However, just over an hour into my drive it was obvious something was wrong. I stopped at a gas station and called 911. My pulse was a bit elevated, but not seriously. My blood pressure was normal, no fever, no cough, no shortness of breath. But I was feeling a bit light headed and was losing muscle control. It got bad enough I stumbled into the store and collapsed. A few minutes later the ambulance arrived.

The EMTs first thought I was having a heart attack, hooked up the EKG and gave me a handful of baby aspirin. Although it showed an atrial flutter, the EKG indicated no serious issue with my heart. For a few minutes I was joking with the EMTs, but then I felt almost entirely paralyzed. At that point I wondered if I was having a stroke.

At the hospital they did another EKG, nothing there. They checked me for a stroke. Nothing. They did an echocardiogram, everything was good. They sent me to the MRI for a brain scan, normal blood flow, no flow restrictions, no hemorrhage. They did a bunch of blood tests and a urine test. After a few hours I started feeling better. With everything they did, they found nothing and suggested I visit my family doctor.

At that time I knew my brother had been sick, cold symptoms about 2 weeks earlier and I had 2 days of sneezing and stuffed sinuses. Again, 2 weeks before my ER visit. I didn't know, at the time my brother had Covid, because he didn't know. It wasn't until about 5 days into my trip that he told me 2 people he worked with were out with Covid.

Since I felt fine, had no symptoms, I got on the plane.

It wasn't until I experienced the same feeling of Paralysis after being tested in Bogota that I connected my illness with my brother's, and that was almost 1 month after my brother had been briefly sick.

Of course, instead of just making up a story that fits your agenda, you could have gone back and read my posts, which clearly show I had no suspicion of any of your "alternative facts", only making the connection much later. But reality gets in the way of your fantasies.

Let's tear into the rest of your fantasy. Covid has only been mentioned on this board for less than 2 years. Saying I've been claiming to know everything about Covid is downright silly. Plus, if you go back and read my posts, you'll see I never made the claim.

What I was guilty of was calling bullshit every time you posted some garbage about Covid. Have you forgotten that I accepted your "I'll take the under every time on the US ever having 80,000 Covid deaths? Do you remember that once the US exceeded 80,000 Covid deaths you didn't post anything for 2 weeks?

There's more I called bullshit when you said everyone in Medellin was obeying the lockdowns, even though several people in Medellin were reporting that business in El Centro was going the same as always.

There are plenty of other examples. I prefer truth and reality to made up bullshit and conspiracy theories.

I've been saving this tidbit. One of the common effects of Covid is swelling in the brain and the spinal column. When I talked to the neurologist after my trip I asked him about that, if that could have been what caused my 2 bouts of near paralysis. He went back to the MRI and said yes.

Once again, your claim that I had an embolic event, just more of your standard bullshit. Since there were no other Covid symptoms, and they were specifically looking for either clots or hemorrhages, and since it's not immediately obvious, they missed the one thing that might have prompted a Covid test.

Just to go over the timeline again:

Late May brother had cold symptoms for 3 days. 2 days later I had cold symptoms for 2 days. June 13 I went to ER with no Covid symptoms and no test was performed. June 16 I left for the airport and flew to Bogota on June 17. June 18 I drove to Medellin. June 23 I started feeling sick and drove back to Bogota June 24. June 25 I tested positive and quarantined. Between June 26-30 I felt very sick and called for a doctor June 30. June 30 was also the day I decided I must have been infected by my Brother. July 1 symptoms began to fade. July 3, all symptoms gone, appetite returned. July 4 scheduled doctor to come and clear me for flight. July 9 returned home.

Sorry to spoil your fantasy, but that's the way it happened.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663018]Don't forget that in 2003, when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and a Republican was president, they passed the law making it illegal for Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices.[/QUOTE]Oh, trust me, I won't forget. 2003 was when I left the Yew Ess for good. Mostly because those assholes flew those planes into those buildings and the resultant moronic response of hunting down and killing the wrong person, but also because of penny ante bullshit like that. Hmm gee haven't had to get a 'prescription' since then.

I hope to turn 65 in a couple of months and I'm really, really looking forward to paying $170 US a month for insurance I can't use. And if I opt out of the $170, it will go up 10% extra per year and I would face medical underwriting for a Medigap policy. What a great system! What a great country! Did I mention I already paid 1. 45% and often 2. 9% of everything I earned in my entire worthless motherfucking life for this alleged insurance?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2663165]Do you mean the leg from USA to Bogota? How many days after you arrived before you developed symptom?[/QUOTE]Ask her about her ambulance ride in the USA right before her flight to COL to spread the CCP virus as much as possible.

Yeah right, in the middle of the Chinese pandemic they never did a CCP virus test!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663224] I've been saving this tidbit. One of the common effects of Covid is swelling in the brain and the spinal column.[/QUOTE]It is not that common or your genius doctors would not have missed diagnosing Covid.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663224]When I talked to the neurologist after my trip I asked him about that, if that could have been what caused my 2 bouts of near paralysis. He went back to the MRI and said yes.[/QUOTE]Where do you find these doctors? This neurologist said that you had Covid and it tore through your brain, then it suddenly stopped for a week, you went to Bogota and it tore through your brain again, and then stopped again. And now you two geniuses decided it is gone for good now? Based on what?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663224]Once again, your claim that I had an embolic event.[/QUOTE]Multiple embolic events.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663224]Sorry to spoil your fantasy, but that's the way it happened.[/QUOTE]The fantasy is your thinking everything is fine now. If you have a CDL and drive for a living, this neurologist should have suspended you for at least a year.

So at any time you can be paralyzed while driving and you are driving and lecturing others on safety? Haven't you hurt enough people by now you fucking moron? Hopefully next time something like this happens you only will hurt yourself.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2662214]Most private employer pension plans do not include COL adjustments. Social Security uses a Consumer Price Index from the Bureau of Labor. That CPI does not include food and energy. Food and energy make up a large portion of the average retiree's expenditures.

Also, even when there is a COL increase to Social Security, a portion of it is taken by Medicare. During Obama's eight years, there were three years of 0% COL adjustment, and one year the adjustment was completely consumed by Medicare.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.rt.com/news/549363-war-political-crisis-democrats/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2663142]Classic symptoms? No, you are just too stupid to know what the symptoms of Covid are. YOU are the idiot.

I just said your doctors did not tell you had Covid and you did not know you were infected. You are a POS liar. Again.

And here you go lying again.

Those studies were anecdotal and on earlier variants. I did not say you infected anyone. You exposed everyone, and God knows how many people got Covid because of you.

You made really, really stupid choices with your illness.

And honestly, it is disgusting that you show no remorse about your behavior. You have no right to criticize Mr. E or anyone else on Covid. None.

Do you know what the definition of a Democratic douche is? Someone who criticizes the unvaxxed but does not criticize you.[/QUOTE]Isn't it safe to say of all the people that JJtheCCPsuperspreader and that they infected and on and on and on.

At least 1 died, probably way more but at least 1.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2663117]I can confirm that JjBee62 is being truthful. We had lunch together one afternoon and a few days later he notified me that he had tested positive for CoVid.

I wonder. Would Elvis or Mr. E or JustTK have demonstrated any of the same level of integrity? Hmmm?[/QUOTE]LOL. Damn you got caught up in the free lunch program too? At least he does not discriminate who gets into the program and who he tries to infect based on sex or nationality. You must have been in the pilot program. He tested it out on you first to see if it would work on unsuspecting Colombians. Equal Opportunity Covid Spreader. Personally, I think the guy should be banned from ISG for trying to give other members Covid.

I would not have needed the same level of integrity because I do not travel around infected with Covid as some other people do. That is like saying I wonder if the guy would have had enough integrity to call and tell me he ripped me off after he stole my shit; as if it is okay to steal your shit as long as he confesses later. Some things you just don't do in the first place.

But I see what he did there. It is the old solve a problem that you create in order to appear to be a hero. Worked like a charm on you Cheerleader.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2663416]LOL. Damn you got caught up in the free lunch program too? At least he does not discriminate who gets into the program and who he tries to infect based on sex or nationality. You must have been in the pilot program. He tested it out on you first to see if it would work on unsuspecting Colombians. Equal Opportunity Covid Spreader. Personally, I think the guy should be banned from ISG for trying to give other members Covid.

I would not have needed the same level of integrity because I do not travel around infected with Covid as some other people do. That is like saying I wonder if the guy would have had enough integrity to call and tell me he ripped me off after he stole my shit; as if it is okay to steal your shit as long as he confesses later. Some things you just don't do in the first place.

But I see what he did there. It is the old solve a problem that you create in order to appear to be a hero. Worked like a charm on you Cheerleader.[/QUOTE]Basically everyone who has posted a stance here on Covid is proving they don't know what they don't know. Don't feel bad, you have a lot of company, including the "experts".

The only group who has it right in current state is the ones who "gave up" and said "fuck it", stop everything and let's move on. But the vast majority of them don't know why they are right, either. Don't ask me to explain further, unless you want to pay my consultant fee and fire sale is over, it starts at six figures. I did not come here to work, you wonderful mongers dragged it out of me, jajjajaaa. I love it. And I wouldn't take the job even if you offered it because the problem will solve itself.

Unless those of you here are having some kind of recurrent fantasies around mental masturbation spooning sessions to keep the pleasure centers in your brains turned on, there is no other reason to be participating in this endless circular debate. I have to admit, it is funny as fuck, so don't let me stop you.

You might possibly get an iota of insight if you read my "Covid Journey" posts in "Medellin" but I won't hold my breath.

Ostee Out. Keep On Keepin' On. Feel the Love.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2663509]Basically everyone who has posted a stance here on Covid is proving they don't know what they don't know. Don't feel bad, you have a lot of company, including the "experts".[/QUOTE]No, JJBee had episodes of paralysis at least twice. The question is whether it was due to direct infection by the virus or indirect consequences of the virus.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2663509]The only group who has it right in current state is the ones who "gave up" and said "fuck it", stop everything and let's move on.[/QUOTE]And that means you. You were "smart" enough to infect yourself. And how do you know the same thing that happened to JJBee may not have happened to you?

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/16/1064594686/how-covid-threatens-the-brain[/URL]

Frontera led a study that found that more than 13% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients had developed a new neurological disorder soon after being infected. A follow-up study found that six months later, about half of the patients in that group who survived were still experiencing cognitive problems.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2663509]But the vast majority of them don't know why they are right, either. Don't ask me to explain further, unless you want to pay my consultant fee and fire sale is over, it starts at six figures.[/QUOTE]Pay you six figures for a giraffe? Why would anyone do that?

Mr. E thinks it may have been drugs that warped your mind. Who knows? Maybe it was Covid.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2663416]LOL. Damn you got caught up in the free lunch program too? At least he does not discriminate who gets into the program and who he tries to infect based on sex or nationality. You must have been in the pilot program. He tested it out on you first to see if it would work on unsuspecting Colombians. Equal Opportunity Covid Spreader. Personally, I think the guy should be banned from ISG for trying to give other members Covid.

I would not have needed the same level of integrity because I do not travel around infected with Covid as some other people do. That is like saying I wonder if the guy would have had enough integrity to call and tell me he ripped me off after he stole my shit; as if it is okay to steal your shit as long as he confesses later. Some things you just don't do in the first place.

But I see what he did there. It is the old solve a problem that you create in order to appear to be a hero. Worked like a charm on you Cheerleader.[/QUOTE]Still waiting on you to explain all the discrepancies with your fantasy. Or just take me up on my offer of a free round trip flight to look at the medical records yourself. No need to live a lie, when the truth is freely available.

Keep running away fat boy. Even though it just shows what a pathetic coward you are, maybe you'll drop 40-50 pounds of that blubber.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663598]Keep running away fat boy. Even though it just shows what a pathetic coward you are, maybe you'll drop 40-50 pounds of that blubber.[/QUOTE]LOL. I can always lose weight, if I just get the taste of porterhouse steaks and baked potatoes and peach pie a la mode out of my mind. (Maybe I will go back to eating hotdogs and ramen noodles everyday like I did when I was broke so I can ungain the weight.) You can't go back on those planes and back to Colombia to unspread that Covid that you so freely gave out no matter how hard you want to!

You are like the Michigan government with the Flint water crisis. You had the INTEGRITY to admit you fucked it up, but doing something to fix the fuck up appears to be out of your reach. The only thing your integrity brought was a lesson to those nice Colombians not to accept free lunches from Gringos because at the end of the day the Gringo is probably just looking to infect them as you did.

You must be half asleep right now, since you finally wrote something the length that would not take up other posters' entire day reading.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663598]Or just take me up on my offer of a free round trip flight to look at the medical records yourself. No need to live a lie, when the truth is freely available.[/QUOTE]No one needs to see your medical records. You had a neurological event when infected with Covid. Why?

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/16/1064594686/how-covid-threatens-the-brain[/URL]

For example, studies show that the virus can infect the cells that line blood vessels, including those that travel through the brain. So when the immune system goes after these infected cells, it could inadvertently kill nearby neurons and cause neurological problems, Serrano says.

COVID-19 can also damage the brain by causing blood clots or bleeding that result in a stroke. It can damage the protective cells that create what's known as the blood-brain barrier, allowing entry to harmful substances, including viruses. And the disease can impair a person's lungs so severely that their brain is no longer getting enough oxygen.

These indirect effects appear to be a much bigger problem than any direct infection of neurons, Frontera says.

Got that Professor Shit for brains? It is much more common brain damage happens from blood clots with Covid rather than directly from the virus.

And even if it was from the virus.

"Even COVID-19 patients who experience severe neurological problems tend to improve over time, Frontera says, citing unpublished research that measured mental function six and 12 months after a hospital stay.

"Patients did have improvement in their cognitive scores, which is really encouraging," she says.

But half of the patients in one study still weren't back to normal after a year Frontera says.

So who do you fucking think you are driving a truck now?

Then there is this [URL]https://www.overdriveonline.com/business/article/14897295/trucking-law-what-happens-after-a-stroke-or-seizure[/URL]#text=If%20 you%20 suffer%20 a%20 stroke, certifiable%20 as%20 a%20 commercial%20 driver. &text=You%20 may%20 be%20 asked%20 to, given%20 a%20 new%20 CDL%20 applicant.

"After initial recovery from a stroke or TIA, you must wait at least a year before being eligible for a medical certificate. ".

So who do you fucking think you are driving a truck now?

You got on a plane while sick during a pandemic. Don't give me this bullshit about your quack doctors not checking for Covid. They were stupid for not doing that, and you were stupid not asking to be tested.

Now you are making stuff up about blood clots and MRI. In your fucked up head, you treat an embolic stroke when you see it on MRI or CT. Is that right?

Well, here is the treatment protocol: [URL]https://www.mdcalc.com/tpa-contraindications-ischemic-stroke[/URL].

You need a "clinical diagnosis of ischemic stroke causing neurological deficit" to treat a mini stroke / TIA / stroke and to not have Intracranial hemorrhage on CT.

Wait, why do you need a clinical diagnosis versus just seeing a clot on MRI or CT? Because you cannot see a blood clot on CT or MRI. And like all your other fucking bullshit, YOU JUST MADE IT UP THAT YOU COULD, and that is why you are such an irresponsible fucking moron.

So just like you went to these Florida quacks who did not diagnose Covid, you went to another quack who said you did not have a TIA / mini stroke. And the proof is that you had a negative MRI even though you cannot diagnose a TIA / mini stroke or blood clot with a MRI. Got that? Your quack's "diagnosis" is based on what you told him, and I doubt you were honest with him.

And how often have I seen an untreated brain infection cause paralysis and then get better and cause it again? Never, and I have seen thousands of infections and hundreds of cases of Covid.

And how often have I seen blood clots and Covid? All the fucking time.

And how many times have I seen the symptoms of an embolic stroke or mini stroke get better instantly? All the fucking time.

I see people all the time being irresponsible with their health, but it is THEIR health. So you got on a plane and infected God knows how many people and went to Colombia and did the same and now you are driving a few months after your legs twice went numb and you were paralyzed.

Mr. E is wrong. It is not just that you poisoned the people of Flint, you are still at it. You are putting everyone on the highways at risk right now when you drive.

So congratulations, you are the ultimate Democratic douche. Lecturing others on safety while you go around engaging in the most at risk behaviors there are. Your lecturing on Covid is like Bill Clinton lecturing on monogamy.

Like I said, hopefully next time, you just hurt yourself.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2663117]We had lunch together one afternoon and a few days later he notified me that he had tested positive for CoVid.I appreciated the honesty and integrity that he displayed by notifying people he had had contact with to make them aware.[/QUOTE]Honesty and integrity? Why were you stupid enough to have lunch with someone sick in the middle of a pandemic? It is just dumb luck you weren't spreading Covid too.

That diet shows a lack of planning and of nutritional sense. Hotdogs can make a nice, occasional snack, not an American pig fest. (I will be having my annual fry in the next few days, much like Mike Tyson likes to hit to old hoods and jack up on plum brandy).

Traditional ramen / soba is good but Stateside? Shows you do not know what you do / or what you eat.

American males and their dropped uterus bellies. Christ on a bike!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2663621] (Maybe I will go back to eating hotdogs and ramen noodles everyday like I did when I was broke so I can ungain the weight.) Y[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2663416]I think the guy should be banned from ISG for trying to give other members Covid..[/QUOTE]What about the ones that were killed by her? They aren't here anymore to spill the beans.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YebyeLmjsSU&ab_channel=Moon[/URL]

The only time I go to these hell holes is when I am treating a hooker who is into such crap.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2663715]That diet shows a lack of planning and of nutritional sense. Hotdogs can make a nice, occasional snack, not an American pig fest. (I will be having my annual fry in the next few days, much like Mike Tyson likes to hit to old hoods and jack up on plum brandy).

Traditional ramen / soba is good but Stateside? Shows you do not know what you do / or what you eat.

American males and their dropped uterus bellies. Christ on a bike![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2663715]That diet shows a lack of planning and of nutritional sense.[/QUOTE]No. It shows when mfs are poor and that is what they can afford.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663598]Still waiting on you to explain all the discrepancies with your fantasy. Or just take me up on my offer of a free round trip flight to look at the medical records yourself. No need to live a lie, when the truth is freely available.

Keep running away fat boy. Even though it just shows what a pathetic coward you are, maybe you'll drop 40-50 pounds of that blubber.[/QUOTE]Don't hold your breath on that one bro. That blubber will grow before it shrinks.

P.S. I see the Marquis de Twat and Pedro have entered the discussion, so there goes the neighborhood. If it wasn't gone already with the fat piece of shit and his heels dug in.

You are a very uncouth fellow. Wash your mouth. I found and still find Mr E's former diet strange. I see you no point in discussing things with you, ghetto boy. Go back to Mulberry St.

On the subject of the Marquis, [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marat/Sade[/URL] is a great play. Quite horny too, depending on the actors.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2664026]Don't hold your breath on that one bro. That blubber will grow before it shrinks.

P.S. I see the Marquis de Twat and Pedro have entered the discussion, so there goes the neighborhood. If it wasn't gone already with the fat piece of shit and his heels dug in.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2664026]Don't hold your breath on that one bro. That blubber will grow before it shrinks.

P.S. I see the Marquis de Twat and Pedro have entered the discussion, so there goes the neighborhood. If it wasn't gone already with the fat piece of shit and his heels dug in.[/QUOTE]Fat huh? Calling someone unhealthy after one of your own is spreading Covid everywhere? Isn't that so 90's and Rush Limbaughish? Aren't you Democratic douches calling people who oppose you politically white supremacists and racist right now? Isn't Mr. E a danger to the forum because he is spreading misinformation? . You have been doing too much smashing and not watching enough CNN.

And why all the love for JJBee who actually spread the virus and Villainy who could have? And all the hate for JustTK and Mr. E who did not get vaccinated?

Yeah just fooling. I know. You will support your fellow Democratic douches no matter what they say or do even if they spread or could have spread Covid.

Why so pro vaxx? Oh right, because all that wonderful vaccine money is being funneled back to government and the Democratic party: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/recurring-fountain-revenue-fda-exec-admits-biden-planning-annual-shots-and-vaxxing[/URL].

I will help with the criticism. Zero Hedge? Isn't that some POS Russian financial blog?

And after two years, you finally got out of the bunker. Congrats, Paulie, how those eyes doing? It must have taken a long time to get adjusted to the sun. A little bird told me that your eyes are in permanent squint mode. Don't worry Paulie. Botox works great for those wrinkles.

The best part about being in Colombia these days for you is you can get the NYT and MSNBC to tell you what to think every day. Without them, you would be like a soldier without marching orders.

What would we do without guys like you fucking everything that walks but so concerned about the spread of diseases? You douches are really doing God's work here. We would be totally lost without guys like you telling us how things are and what to think.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2664026]Don't hold your breath on that one [b] bro[/b].[/QUOTE]Nice to see you gentlemen cuddling up with each other again. I knew that lovers' quarrel would not last long.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2650013]I've met JBee62 on at least three occasions.[/QUOTE]He took you to lunch too didn't he?! Better not let Villainy know. He probably thought they were exclusive. His heart will be broken to find out Jj has been cheating on him.

So Jj went to Medellin and did not fuck any chicks (or maybe one chick), but went out with Paulie 3 times. I guess some guys really do believe it's bros before hoes.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2649541]Paulie and I had a big public, knock down fight right here over 3 years ago. It might have been the reason this thread was started. We haven't really talked since then. [b]We're not sidekicks, friends or buddies.[/b][/QUOTE]But according to him you are bros despite that big public lovers' quarrel. You guys need to sit down and hash this out so you can be on one accord. No sense in one guy believing you have a relationship together and the other not. Then with Villainy coming between you guys this thing is one big sausage fest mess.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2664074]Fat huh? Calling someone unhealthy after one of your own is spreading Covid everywhere? Isn't that so 90's and Rush Limbaughish? Aren't you Democratic douches calling people who oppose you politically white supremacists and racist right now? Isn't Mr. E a danger to the forum because he is spreading misinformation? . You have been doing too much smashing and not watching enough CNN.

And why all the love for JJBee who actually spread the virus and Villainy who could have? And all the hate for JustTK and Mr. E who did not get vaccinated?

Yeah just fooling. I know. You will support your fellow Democratic douches no matter what they say or do even if they spread or could have spread Covid.

Why so pro vaxx? Oh right, because all that wonderful vaccine money is being funneled back to government and the Democratic party: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/recurring-fountain-revenue-fda-exec-admits-biden-planning-annual-shots-and-vaxxing[/URL].

I will help with the criticism. Zero Hedge? Isn't that some POS Russian financial blog?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.rt.com/news/549493-zerohedge-accused-russian-propaganda/[/URL]

So how many did VillanytheCCPsuperspreader kill?

Please crunch the numbers for us Mr ISG Abacus.

Safe to say at least 1, probably many more.

And don't forget about ex-con and prolific serial grifter Pauliethepipesmoker, how many did she kill?

Pedro and the Marquis de Twat, come on down to Medellin, the water is warm, perfect, but oops you guys don't have any money. Sadly that is a pre-requisite. Guess you are stuck with Milwaukee's Best and Pucker Carlson for nightly entertainment. C'est La Vie.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2663711]Honesty and integrity? Why were you stupid enough to have lunch with someone sick in the middle of a pandemic? It is just dumb luck you weren't spreading Covid too.[/QUOTE]I understand. Honesty and integrity are words you don't know. I guess your favorite blogs and podcasts don't use those 3 and 4 syllable words.

When I had lunch with JjBee he didn't have any symptoms. Maybe he didn't have CoVid then, or maybe he did. I'm sure your expert medical opinion could explain it all. Could you remind me again about all your degrees and studies in epidemiology, virology and immunology?

So IF he had CoVid at that time, was I lucky not to get it? Not really, you see I never gave an ounce of credence to any of your rambling blog originated opinions. I got vaccinated at the earliest opportunity. Perhaps that vaccine that (in your opinion) is ineffective prevented me from acquiring the virus.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2664234]Pedro and the Marquis de Twat, come on down to Medellin, the water is warm, perfect, but oops you guys don't have any money. Sadly that is a pre-requisite. Guess you are stuck with Milwaukee's Best and Pucker Carlson for nightly entertainment. C'est La Vie.[/QUOTE]I got Covid once and that is enough. I did not take the clot shot and have no intentions to, even though that circumscribes my ability to travel. I have not been in the USA for very many years / decades and have no intention of ever going there again. I do no watch Fox News or any other American rubbish.

If I decide to return to Latin America,. I would avoid loud mouthed Covid super spreaders like your pals. Go check out the perverts who troll the Philippines board. They post cum shots of pussies with cum in them.

Here is a 2 years old link to porno in kids' games. [URL]https://www.vice.com/en/article/epdzxk/roblox-goes-public-says-child-pornography-is-a-risk-to-its-business[/URL] It has been in other news outlets recently. I don't play video games either but this might be your level in more ways than one.

I'll be e heading out to bonk a married Chinese woman later this morning. How about you? Meeting up with your Covid super spreaders? If so, tell them those with the clot shot can still spread Covid and more, if the early reports on HIV and Covid are to be believed. There is some scary stuff going down with Trudeau in Canada and that World Economic Forum hooker in Kiwi land. You are not even a diversion.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2663416]LOL. Damn you got caught up in the free lunch program too? At least he does not discriminate who gets into the program and who he tries to infect based on sex or nationality. You must have been in the pilot program. He tested it out on you first to see if it would work on unsuspecting Colombians. Equal Opportunity Covid Spreader. [B]Personally, I think the guy should be banned from ISG for trying to give other members Covid.[/B] [/QUOTE]No you don't:

1. "Think." You never do. You react like an infant who dropped his toy, you throw a tantrum, hoping someone will give it back. Every day the cycle repeats.

2. "Think I should be banned from ISG for trying to give other members Covid." You simply are crying for someone to come and protect you from the bad man who hurt your tender little feelings.

Number 2 is obvious. If you ever spent a moment thinking, you would realize how obvious. I'll make it crystal clear for you.

Over the past year or so, at least 5 members of ISG have posted that they tested positive for Covid and didn't quarantine. One person claims to have been infected more than once and gives tours to ISG members and others. Another, in order to bypass the entry requirement of a negative test, flew to Tijuana, crossed the border and got on another plane. How many of those people did you say should be thrown in prison, or banned from ISG?

Clearly, putting others at risk, when a person knows they are contagious (or when you pretend they know they are contagious), isn't an issue for you. Otherwise you would have condemned their actions.

In addition, others have asked how to avoid quarantining in Colombia if they test positive. Some have asked about fake negative test results. Once again, complete silence from you about endangering the lives of others.

Why me? Why ignore every person who has publicly stated that they knowingly put themselves in contact with others when infected, but go on a crusade against one of the few who quarantined, at considerable expense, not only with Covid, but 8 months earlier with strep throat? It's quite simple. Because that one person fact checks you.

If that's not clear enough, let's throw in my other mortal sin, buying lunch for others. If I do it, it's an outrage. It's Nixon and Clinton having a three way with Monica Lewinsky, while breaking into the DNC headquarters and spying on Trump. It's such an egregious violation of community standards that anyone who has a meal or a drink with me, regardless of who paid for what, must be publicly humiliated.

Meanwhile, dozens, probably hundreds of ISG members buy food, drinks, drugs, clothes and much more for girls, all over the world, and you rarely notice. Certainly you don't mount your pulpit and condemn their acts. You don't even notice it when you do it. Have you forgotten the times you've posted about flying a girl from one city to another? Is it possible, somewhere, at some time, you've posted about taking a girl to dinner? Oh the humanity!

Do you believe your fake outrage will have any effect on me? Is everyone going to join your lynch mob and either metaphorically hang me, or chase me away from ISG? Are people going to denounce any advice or information I share, because of your unfounded and nonsensical allegations? Even if they do, what real harm befalls me?

While I enjoy the online interactions, the camaraderie, the friendship and occasionally butting heads with others, none of this defines me. I offer help to others because others have offered help to me. There are no trophies. Nobody is going to pin a medal on my chest or erect a statue in recognition of my attempts to help others have a good time in Medellin. I just checked my latest paycheck and it turns out, I get paid nothing for posting on ISG.

While I number several of the people who I've met through ISG among my friends, the friendships are not based upon whether or not I'm on ISG. None of the girls who I interact with, whether across a table or on the bed, have ever asked me how I'm doing on ISG.

ISG is a diversion. At times it provides entertainment. In the past it's been a source of information. While there is always more to learn, I'm past the point where the success of my next trip depends upon what is posted here.

Would it help if I pretend to be emotionally devastated?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2664090]Nice to see you gentlemen cuddling up with each other again. I knew that lovers' quarrel would not last long.

He took you to lunch too didn't he?! Better not let Villainy know. He probably thought they were exclusive. His heart will be broken to find out Jj has been cheating on him.

So Jj went to Medellin and did not fuck any chicks (or maybe one chick), but went out with Paulie 3 times. I guess some guys really do believe it's bros before hoes.

But according to him you are bros despite that big public lovers' quarrel. You guys need to sit down and hash this out so you can be on one accord. No sense in one guy believing you have a relationship together and the other not. Then with Villainy coming between you guys this thing is one big sausage fest mess.[/QUOTE]It's a bit disconcerting how your imagination always seems to drift towards homosexuality, when you're thinking about me. It's understandable if someone is steering it in that direction, but with you, it just seems to go there of it's own accord.

I'll help you out. I'm pretty sure I've never had lunch, or any other meal with Paulie. We've had beers together, in a few different bars, and went to a casa once. Like normal people do, we took turns buying the beers. I'm not sure whether one of us owes the other a beer. I've noticed that guys who can afford it tend not to worry about a few dollars. If I bump into him again, I'll buy him a beer, just because it seems your life revolves around my purchases.

With Villainy, we've eaten together a few times. If it helps any I can try to remember what I ate each time. If you had said something sooner, I'd have given you the names of the various restaurants and pointed out where we each sat, so you could come by later and sniff the seats. Remind me next time.

Would you like a list of all the ISG members I've either had a drink with, ate with, or went to a casa or strip club with? It's not going to be a complete list, because I didn't know it would ever matter to anyone. I also have forgotten some of the ISG names because I use their real name. Maybe one of the Admins can add something to the FAQ to remind people to keep a list of every ISG member they meet, including copies of all receipts, since it's of such importance.

In my continuing (and fruitless) effort to raise your education level above toddler, let me explain something about the term "bro. " Coincidentally I have a perfect example from yesterday morning.

I arrived at one of the facilities belonging to the company I work for yesterday morning and the guy in charge (at least in charge of the area I deal with) was there. We engaged in what's considered normal behavior and talked. It wasn't a long conversation, just some basic human interaction. Several times he called me "bro. ".

I run into that guy a few times a year. I'm positive he didn't call me "bro" because he thinks we have the same father or mother. He also didn't call me "bro" because we're close friends. He just called me "bro", because that's what he does. There's a chance you've used the term, or someone used it to refer to you.

Whether Paulie and I are casual acquaintances, friends, or biological brothers nothing to do with whether or not he refers to me as "bro. " It works both ways. Many of my friends qualify as my "bros", but I don't call them "bro. "

Now that I'm thinking about it, I may have met almost 100 BMs in Medellin. Would you like to go back and call out everyone who has posted they met up with me and accuse them of being sexually involved with me? Afterwards, we can look through all the people you've met over the years.

There is another possibility. It could be, and I'm just tossing this out, people meet up and hang out simply because they enjoy meeting other people with shared experiences. For some it's nice to be able to speak English. For others, it makes them more comfortable having someone show them around in a strange place. Some guys have never been to a casa and appreciate someone showing them the ropes.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2664254]When I had lunch with JjBee he didn't have any symptoms. Maybe he didn't have CoVid then, or maybe he did. I'm sure your expert medical opinion could explain it all.[/QUOTE]Cheerleader, why would he need to explain when your strange bedfellow has already explained it all? Either that or your lunch lover is a big liar as everyone already knows he is. It was he himself that said that he got Covid from his brother. Or maybe from your point of excuse his brother was in Colombia and he met up with him to get the Covid after your love session luncheon.

Except that he himself said [B]with 100% certainty[/B] (and it has been stated how technical, honest, and full of integrity he is) that he contracted Covid from his brother [b]BEFORE[/b] getting on the plane to Colombia!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578857]While I was initially uncertain when and where I became infected, [b]I can now say with 100% certainty that I was infected at home by my brother just over 1 week before I left for Colombia.[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2664254]So IF he had CoVid at that time, was I lucky not to get it? Not really, you see I never gave an ounce of credence to any of your rambling blog originated opinions. I got vaccinated at the earliest opportunity. Perhaps that vaccine that (in your opinion) is ineffective prevented me from acquiring the virus.[/QUOTE]Well being vaccinated certainly did not prevent you know who from acquiring the virus. Oh that is right. What he thought was a vaccine was just salt water in his case.

P. S. I am walking down the street in Rio de Janeiro and just saw a nice gift that your lunch sponsor should get for you...

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2663621]LOL. I can always lose weight, if I just get the taste of porterhouse steaks and baked potatoes and peach pie a la mode out of my mind. (Maybe I will go back to eating hotdogs and ramen noodles everyday like I did when I was broke so I can ungain the weight.) You can't go back on those planes and back to Colombia to unspread that Covid that you so freely gave out no matter how hard you want to![/QUOTE]I love how you constantly make me look better by trying to make me look worse. Apparently I'm so darn charming that I managed to convince all the people on the plane to let me sit and talk with them. Not only that, even though I took a non-stop flight, I somehow managed to get on at least one more plane and convince all the passengers on that plane to spend time with me. I must be awesome.

[QUOTE]You are like the Michigan government with the Flint water crisis. You had the INTEGRITY to admit you fucked it up, but doing something to fix the fuck up appears to be out of your reach. The only thing your integrity brought was a lesson to those nice Colombians not to accept free lunches from Gringos because at the end of the day the Gringo is probably just looking to infect them as you did.[/QUOTE]You lost me again.

For the sake of pointing out how silly your comparison is, let's assume your allegations are true. Let's assume that I knew I was infected with Covid (without addressing all the contradictions I've previously mentioned) and deliberately attempted to infect others.

First thing, the state government of Michigan would have needed to have intended to cause the water crisis in Flint. In other words, the actions they took, or failed to take needed to be based solely on the intent to cause the crisis. Is that what happened?

Next, there needs to be some way for me to travel through time and change past actions or past outcomes. To accentuate just how foolish your comparison is, you literally stated I couldn't do that in the sentence immediately preceding your comparison.

It's as if you got tired of waiting for me to make you look foolish and decided to take matters into your own hands.

[QUOTE]You must be half asleep right now, since you finally wrote something the length that would not take up other posters' entire day reading.[/QUOTE]Once again you make it too easy. It takes you an entire day to read one long post? It's no wonder you said you don't have time to read my posts and still have time to fuck. It's weird that you constantly choose my posts over sex.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2664474]Cheerleader, why would he need to explain when your strange bedfellow has already explained it all? Either that or your lunch lover is a big liar as everyone already knows he is. It was he himself that said that he got Covid from his brother. Or maybe from your point of excuse his brother was in Colombia and he met up with him to get the Covid after your love session luncheon.

Except that he himself said [B]with 100% certainty[/B] (and it has been stated how technical, honest, and full of integrity he is) that he contracted Covid from his brother [b]BEFORE[/b] getting on the plane to Colombia!...[/QUOTE]Again, whenever you think about me you imagine I'm having sex with other men? You might want to consider what that says about you. For my part, it's mildly flattering and a bit strange, when men keep including me in their sexual fantasies.

You just can't help yourself, can you? You're walking down the street in Rio de Janeiro and your number 1 priority is me. Rio de Janeiro. And you're pulling out your phone to write about me. The women, all the available pussy, food, entertainment, but all you can think about is me. That might be the saddest thing I've ever seen.

I could understand if you were in a small Midwestern town, on a rainy day, when you have nothing much to do, but you went to the place considered by many to be the pussy capitol of the world.

You were so excited, thinking about me, you once again fucked up what you tried to say. The either-or construct doesn't work if one of the options is definitely true. "Either today is Thursday, which everyone knows is true, or today isn't Thursday. " You can just say "today is Thursday."

Not only did you fuck it up, but you fucked it up twice in the same sentence. Clearly not everyone knows I'm "a big liar. " Otherwise you wouldn't need to make the claim. Being an overachiever is good, unless you're overachieving at failure.

Continuing on the "beating a dead horse" theme (and the overachieving at failure theme), you quoted a post of mine from over 7 months ago, while walking on the street in Rio de Janeiro. Most people would cut you some slack if, while walking on the street in Rio de Janeiro, you took 10 seconds to post "jjbee62 is an asshole", but you went all the way back to July, while walking down the street in Rio de Janeiro.

Let's look at that post.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578857]I need to correct you on that. While I was initially uncertain when and where I became infected, I can now say with 100% certainty that I was infected at home by my brother just over 1 week before I left for Colombia. 4 other people who were around him during the same period have also tested positive. He has not, and probably will not be vaccinated. Had I been tested when I was at the hospital before my trip, I would have tested positive (and never made the trip).[/QUOTE]First I'll correct myself. "With 100% certainty" is hyperbole. There are other possibilities, I just consider that to be the most likely. Also, I'm pretty sure it was 2 weeks prior. It didn't seem important at the time. If I had known your world revolves around me, I would have paid more attention to the minor details.

Notice the part you decided not to include. "Had I been tested when I was at the hospital before my trip, I would have tested positive (and never made the trip).

At the time you did not make any accusations that I had knowingly flown after testing positive. In fact, my post was in response to this post from you (once you spent all the time, while walking on the street in Rio de Janeiro, to dig up my post, it seems a waste not to use it):

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578795]No, not you. I am saying in general. Jj got sick with the vaccine by going to Bogota and Medellin.[/QUOTE]Let's revisit your allegations. According to you, I tested positive and intentionally tried to infect others. If true, why would I have corrected your assumption? Look at it. Right there, from the person who has probably posted more on ISG than anyone else, the opinion that I became infected in Colombia. You unintentionally gave me the perfect alibi and I denounced it?

Make it make sense.

Just went back to see if I missed anything. 3 things.

1. If you make a statement about my honesty, integrity or character, referring back to your statement as if it's universally accepted, is grade school stuff. Same with your dumbass claim that somehow, in 2 vaccination clinics where several hundred people were vaccinated daily, I was singled out to receive salt water (not a sterile saline solution, salt water) instead of a vaccine. When you make such a statement the first time, it's silly. When you refer back to it as if it's valid, it's delusional.

2. Stating something I said and declaring it true, and implying that I don't tell the truth, in the same sentence is contradicting yourself.

3. Make a decision. One moment you're talking about me getting vaccinated and the next you're claiming I didn't get vaccinated. It's really hard to follow your story when you constantly change the plot.

Maybe I'll come back and help you discredit yourself further. It's not as if I'm in Rio de Janeiro.

As translated fat piece of shit syndrome. It's a chronic condition, and sadly Mr E is stricken. The blubber and the BS never shrink but only expand.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2664254]When I had lunch with JjBee he didn't have any symptoms.[/QUOTE]So the health care "experts" you Democratic douches slobber over said asymptomatic transmission is a huge issue. But it is not a problem for you when you are having lunch with your lover.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2664254] I got vaccinated at the earliest opportunity. Perhaps that vaccine that (in your opinion) is ineffective prevented me from acquiring the virus.[/QUOTE]Well, again, the "experts" you Democratic douches like to quote have admitted that the vaccine does not prevent transmission.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2664254]Maybe he didn't have CoVid then, or maybe he did. I'm sure your expert medical opinion could explain it all.[/QUOTE]It is not my opinion that matters douche. I am not the one putting up the timeline. And yet you put that on me versus your lover. Why? Hmmm?

My opinion, douche, is that you stay away from sick people during a pandemic. YOU did not do that. Your being vaccinated and JJBee supposedly being asymptomatic, which I do not believe for a fucking second, does not mean a fucking thing.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2664254]Honesty and integrity are words you don't know.[/QUOTE]No, douche, all those words mean to you is belonging to a certain political party. That you would use those words to describe what you and JJBee did is despicable. The ONLY honorable action is to say you fucked up and shut the hell up.

All you Democratic douches lecturing on Covid and this is how you behave? It makes me sick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2664474]"FPOS Syndrome - As translated fat piece of shit syndrome. It's a chronic condition, and sadly Mr E is stricken. The blubber and the BS never shrink but only expand."[/QUOTE]Jeez, when they resort to personal appearance insults, you know that, not only are they disgusting people, but that they have lost the argument too.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2664563]As translated fat piece of shit syndrome. It's a chronic condition, and sadly Mr E is stricken. The blubber and the BS never shrink but only expand.[/QUOTE]Damn you said that like I was the one trying to give you Covid over a candlelight lunch. Don't come on here lashing out because your "bro" has a side piece. Handle that shit in private from now on.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2664532]Again, whenever you think about me you imagine I'm having sex with other men?[/QUOTE]Don't try to drag me into your clutches. You can not speak that shit into existence or hypnotize me like you did your bro and your cheerleader. Keep those threeway covid lunches to yourselves.

Somebody needs to talk to the site owner about putting a warning on your posts. BEWARE: In this post the energy vampire known as JjBabbleOn may be attempting the power of suggestion in order to lure you to be a part of his Lovers Luncheon Covid Club. Read his long-winded posts with caution and no more than 10 (ten) seconds at a time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2664532]You just can't help yourself, can you? You're walking down the street in Rio de Janeiro and your number 1 priority is me. Rio de Janeiro. And you're pulling out your phone to write about me. The women, all the available pussy, food, entertainment, but all you can think about is me. That might be the saddest thing I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]Look. The type of relationships that the Lovers Luncheon Covid Club has between its members is not for me, but I will definitely defend your right to have such relationships.

I was only trying to help you get out of the doghouse by pointing out that I just saw something that may look good on your cheerleader that you could purchase as a penance gift. Ray Charles can see the tension that has developed in this thread since your "bro" blew the cover of your lunch trysts and he is both blind and dead.

[URL]https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/national/coronavirus/johns-hopkins-university-study-finds-lockdowns-only-reduced-covid-deaths-by-0-2[/URL]

Encore Encore.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2664593]Jeez, when they resort to personal appearance insults, you know that, not only are they disgusting people, but that they have lost the argument too.[/QUOTE]Are you saying that you are a disgusting person who lost the argument long ago? Or is that another bit of your logic which doesn't apply to you?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2664612]Damn you said that like I was the one trying to give you Covid over a candlelight lunch. Don't come on here lashing out because your "bro" has a side piece. Handle that shit in private from now on.[/QUOTE]It's bad enough that you're completely clueless, but you can't remember things you just read? I've never had lunch with Paulie and it's been over 4 years since we've been in the same building at the same time. Probably over 4 years since the last time we've even messaged each other.

Do you need me to do the math to explain how stupid your "give you Covid" remark is?

As I've said, I'm not sure why all of your sexual fantasies involve me and other men. It doesn't really matter, but perhaps they will be more satisfying if you pick men who have at least been around me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2664613]Don't try to drag me into your clutches. You can not speak that shit into existence or hypnotize me like you did your bro and your cheerleader. Keep those threeway covid lunches to yourselves.

Somebody needs to talk to the site owner about putting a warning on your posts. BEWARE: In this post the energy vampire known as JjBabbleOn may be attempting the power of suggestion in order to lure you to be a part of his Lovers Luncheon Covid Club. Read his long-winded posts with caution and no more than 10 (ten) seconds at a time.[/QUOTE]You're the one who keeps imagining the sexual situations. You even do it when responding to posts which don't mention me, or quote me.

Besides, I'm not strong enough to drag you anywhere without a tow strap.

Rio de Janeiro must really suck if the best thing you can think of to do is make up homosexual fantasies about me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2664920]You're the one who keeps imagining the sexual situations.[/QUOTE]Oh no no no. Not my imagination. You are the one that said you do not fuck the chicks, you just take them to lunch. Then you know who piped up and said he has been on a date with you multiple times. So you expect us to act blind like we do not see all of these rainbow flags?

Somebody needs to get the moderator in here quick. Looks like a certain lunch crew has landed in the wrong ISG. This is International Sex GUIDE. Here it is discussed about men looking for women for sex. It appears a couple of folks thought they were in International Sex Guys website since they have a tendency to check guys out and comment on some things they don't find attractive about their bodies. It is plain to see who the real fantasizers around here are.

Good for you guys the cinema opened back up in Colombia. Next time you can go see a movie together after lunch. Or maybe Jj would prefer not to be seen in public with you after he tried to give you Covid.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2664563]As translated fat piece of shit syndrome. It's a chronic condition, and sadly Mr E is stricken. The blubber and the BS never shrink but only expand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2663598]Keep running away fat boy. Even though it just shows what a pathetic coward you are, maybe you'll drop 40-50 pounds of that blubber.[/QUOTE]Stop coming on this website checking out other dudes before you get reported! This is a respectable heterosexual website. We fly straight around here. #MeeToo

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2664952]Oh no no no. Somebody needs to get the moderator in here quick. Looks like a certain lunch crew has landed in the wrong ISG. This is International Sex Guide. Here it is discussed about men looking for women for sex. It appears a couple of folks thought they were in I Sex Guys website since they have a tendency to check guys out and comment on some things they don't find attractive about their bodies. It is plain to see who the real fantasizers around here are. #MeeToo[/QUOTE]No body shaming. Though some folk should stay away from the throwaway food. Keep it clean.

Weather here in the civilised world is shit (if the papers are to be believed). Here, we are drinking a nice Rioja red. Have some good French crates coming in during the week. Anyone try Colombian wine? Mexican is ok if a little rough and Chilean has a name of sorts. Argentina too, of course, thanks to the good German migration patterns post war. But Colombia?

Or do you guys just snort coke and sniff each other all day?

Well this thread went off the rails. Wow.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2665001]Well this thread went off the rails. Wow.[/QUOTE]It is as funny as fuck.

Not sure what that means in the context of current conversations but let's "do lunch" soon. LOL.

P.S.: No offence but Johnny Walker is shit whiskey / whisky. OK as a cough mixture, nothing more. Change your name to Single Malt. Glen Fiddich or something respectable.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2664680][URL]https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/national/coronavirus/johns-hopkins-university-study-finds-lockdowns-only-reduced-covid-deaths-by-0-2[/URL]

Encore Encore.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.rt.com/news/549937-bill-gates-omicron-vaccines/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2664952]Oh no no no. Not my imagination. You are the one that said you do not fuck the chicks, you just take them to lunch. Then you know who piped up and said he has been on a date with you multiple times. So you expect us to act blind like we do not see all of these rainbow flags?

Somebody needs to get the moderator in here quick. Looks like a certain lunch crew has landed in the wrong ISG. This is International Sex GUIDE. Here it is discussed about men looking for women for sex. It appears a couple of folks thought they were in International Sex Guys website since they have a tendency to check guys out and comment on some things they don't find attractive about their bodies. It is plain to see who the real fantasizers around here are.

Good for you guys the cinema opened back up in Colombia. Next time you can go see a movie together after lunch.[/QUOTE]It just keeps getting weirder and weirder with you. Rio de Janeiro. Is it that terrible of a place that the only thing you're interested in is me? Several friends have told me they enjoy Rio, but it must have really went downhill if I'm the best thing in Rio and I'm not even on the same continent.

Here's how strange your fascination with me is. I'm sitting in the middle of the highway, because the road is shutdown, which is the same thing I was dealing with when I posted earlier. I've just about exhausted all the entertainment possibilities on my phone and am caught up on everything. So I pop in to see if you have once again given me something to laugh about. And what do I find?

Meanwhile you're in Rio de Janeiro and with all of the opportunities to do something everyone but you would agree is better than writing strange homosexual fantasies about me, you choose to write homosexual fantasies about me.

I can help you out there. Just tell me what things you keep dreaming about me doing and I'll write you a story. I've never tried writing gay porn before, but it can't be too difficult. Women are a tougher audience.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2665001]Well this thread went off the rails. Wow.[/QUOTE]As stated prior it all comes down to FPOS syndrome. It's chronic, progressive, and most prevalent in monger communities. C'est La Vie.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2664920]You're the one who keeps imagining the sexual situations.[/QUOTE]Imagination is all he has, as what is a fat piece of shit to do? He and his Euro basement buttboy Pedro whine about "body shaming" but what if the body is plenty shameful? That argument collapses right there, as is so reported here his sexual encounters amount to $7 quickie street walker encounters as none other can stomach the disgust. It is a method of necessity. Welcome to the real world.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2665280]I agree there's tons of hot police chicks here. I catch myself looking at their asses all the time when walking around and they're in front of me LOL.[/QUOTE]Do you know they try to find "tough" females to hire, when I'm having sex I want it to be with an extremely feminine female, not one that just has a nice ass in tight pants, that means nothing.

And even if they had a nice ass there's much more to a good session, if I wanted a beech I could just stay in USA.

I don't fly to other countries because I can't get pussy in USA but rather because I have trouble finding sweet chicas w / o the penis envy attitude.

Most females have a nice ass in tight jeans, what about when they take them off? This is why I like asian females so much, they are so feminine (unlike many North American and Latin American females).

I've spent my share of time in SEA and never saw 1 female cop, forgive me for preferring "traditional gender roles" I think truck drivers should be men. (ok except jjthesuperspreader)

And stewardesses should be female LMAO.

I like females Im having sex to be extremely feminine, subservient and obsequious I think that eliminates female cops, even if just the baton cops

I see many "female" cops in Chicago Im guessing most are butch lesbian, just because they wear tight pants or wear makeup doesnt mean I want to fuck them, ever!!

That term Euro basement buttboy is a great term, and the product of late night inspiration in the city of eternal spring. It fits shoo swede, Pedro, and JustTK perfectly. LOL.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2665205]What a stupid thing to say. But wait. That is right. You have never been here.

I have never looked hot cops but I saw a hot Filipina (Asian face) looking police officer at Botero once. Another time I saw a short one who had a huge rack, even with her uniform trying to hide it, near the police station near San Antonio station. Sadly, I could do nothing about either one. No Spanish. To think all female police look and act masculine is so stupid but expected of you.[/QUOTE]I believe the police officer mentioned belongs to the transit police. Those are the ones in blue enforcing things like pico and placa. Effectively meter maids.

Deciding an unknown woman is not feminine because of her occupation is silly. I've seen women who drive trucks, work construction and about every other "man's job", who are not only gorgeous, but completely feminine away from work.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2665001]Well this thread went off the rails. Wow.[/QUOTE]Was it ever on the rails?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2665297] This is why I like asian females so much, they are so feminine (unlike many North American and Latin American females).

I've spent my share of time in SEA and never saw 1 female cop, forgive me for preferring "traditional gender roles"..[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that I am not even looking for regular girls and especially not police.

Island of Masbate in Philippines I saw 2 hot police officers when I was getting off the boat but did not approach because I was only there for a few days and do not hunt regular girls. Do not want them thinking I am looking for a GF. I never play that card.

Angeles City, Philippines notorious Station 4 on Fields. I was in the station asking some questions I wanted information about. They had some cadets there. One was hot visiting from Manila and leaving in 3 days. I wanted to get her number but this fat cadet I rated a 3-4 asked for my number. I nearly shit my pants in shock. She looked bull dyke because the girls have to have short hair the first 2 years as a new police officer and then can grow it out. I had sex with her twice because having a close contact at Station 4 is always a good thing if future problems arise. She was very feminine, leaning towards submissive, and even cried. She knew I only wanted to have some fun and felt slightly used. She invited me to her graduation but I did not want to meet her friends and family. That is why I do not like regular girls. I only want the players.

In summary, you are wrong about all the places you have never been. You really took the "Oh, the places you'll go" by Dr. Seuss to heart but not in practice. Step one is leave the basement.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2665297]Do you know they try to find "tough" [B]females[/B] to hire, when I'm having sex I want it to be with an extremely feminine [B]female[/B], not one that just has a nice ass in tight pants, that means nothing.......

Most [B]females[/B] have a nice ass in tight jeans, what about when they take them off? This is why I like asian [B]females[/B] so much, they are so feminine (unlike many North American and Latin American [B]females[/B]).

I've spent my share of time in SEA and never saw 1 [B]female[/B] cop, forgive me for preferring "traditional gender roles" I think truck drivers should be men. (ok except jjthesuperspreader)

And stewardesses should be [B]female[/B] LMAO.

I like [B]females[/B] Im having sex to be extremely feminine, subservient and obsequious I think that eliminates [B]female[/B] cops, even if just the baton cops[/QUOTE]No one that has graduated from High School refers to women as "females". Boys might do that, adolescents, maybe. But adults? Someone that claims to have travelled around the world would never call the fairer sex "females".

Women, Chicas, Ladies, Latinas, Girls, Lasses, Maidens. Any of those but "females". I'm sorry, that sounds like a teenager taking a biology course for the first time. Just another instance of a pretender on our board.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2664570]So the health care "experts" you Democratic douches slobber over said asymptomatic transmission is a huge issue. But it is not a problem for you when you are having lunch with your lover.

Well, again, the "experts" you Democratic douches like to quote have admitted that the vaccine does not prevent transmission.

It is not my opinion that matters douche. I am not the one putting up the timeline. And yet you put that on me versus your lover. Why? Hmmm?

My opinion, douche, is that you stay away from sick people during a pandemic. YOU did not do that. Your being vaccinated and JJBee supposedly being asymptomatic, which I do not believe for a fucking second, does not mean a fucking thing.

No, douche, all those words mean to you is belonging to a certain political party. That you would use those words to describe what you and JJBee did is despicable. The ONLY honorable action is to say you fucked up and shut the hell up.

All you Democratic douches lecturing on Covid and this is how you behave? It makes me sick.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50vs0cDuWQQ[/URL]

Walking around MDE "strapped" from this day forward!

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2665001]Well this thread went off the rails. Wow.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is probably time to put a bow on it. Covid is in the rear view mirror. Ram said it, and I agreed with him. Paulie liked to say there were two sides, and there were two sides. Ram, JustTK, Mr. E, MDS, and myself educated ourselves about the disease and the vaccines and made educated decisions about the jabs and the virus. We looked at government regulations as a pain in the ass that we had to work around.

Villainy, JJBee, Paulie, and Huacho bought the government BS. Look at what that faith got them. JJBee thought the virus made him impervious to Covid. Villainy still thinks that. Paulie and Huacho sealed themselves off from the world for 2 years.

Forget the morals, the arguments, the name calling. At the end of the day, which group had a better life during the pandemic? Because that is all that really matters, and with that, our group won in a landslide.

So I think that is what the argument in the end is really about. That group of guys is fucking pissed at us because we did not let the pandemic fuck up our lives and I think they are jealous. They will call us all these other names but I think the heart of it is that they are jealous because of the balls and wisdom we showed. We did not fuck up our lives like they did.

Politically speaking with Covid, all Biden did was try to show he cared by being a bigger asshole by having more rules: more masks, more shots, more demonizing the unvaxxed, more testing before travel. Did it help? Fuck no. But these douches bought into it. They did not see that Biden's agenda and much of the government's agenda was nothing about health and everything about politics.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2665303]That term Euro basement buttboy is a great term, and the product of late night inspiration in the city of eternal spring. It fits shoo swede, Pedro, and JustTK perfectly. LOL.[/QUOTE]There are very few basements in the civilized world. Most of them would be from builds of 150+ years ago. If you had ever travelled outside of your own crime ridden ghetto, you would know that. The weather just does not make it a sensible option. In central London, to take but one example, there are basements but they often cost fortunes that few posting here could or would afford.

Phrases like that and suggesting civilized folk live in such basements make you sound like the obese vest wearing Big Mac muncher you are.

That said, I occasionally visit my friend who sometimes stays in the basement apartment of his sister's house. The house is worth at least $15 million and the apartment, if they rented it out, which they don't, would easily fetch $5,000 a month, minimum as, like many such houses, it is in a prime location, not in the 'hoods you and your fellow trolls are more used to.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2665454]Walking around MDE "strapped" from this day forward![/QUOTE]Not at all. When I get to Medellin the week after next I am just going to fuck women instead of going to lunch with a bunch of dudes everyday and not fucking women.

Normally I wouldn't bother, but since you decided to include me I'll give you a few minutes.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2665297]Do you know they try to find "tough" females to hire, (Occasionally I correct grammar. This post needs help. Finish sentences with a period, then begin a new sentence. Right here would have been a good place to start.) when I'm having sex I want it to be with an extremely feminine female, not one that just has a nice ass in tight pants, that means nothing.

And even if they had a nice ass there's much more to a good session, (Period) if I wanted a beech I could just stay in USA (you left off "which is exactly what I do).[/QUOTE]That's not the way it works. They don't try to find "tough" girls to hire. There's not a division of the Colombian National Police that walks around looking for tough people and asks them to become cops. Anyone, and I mean anyone from toddler to senior citizen, who has been to Colombia can tell you that most of the police don't look tough at all. That includes the men. Most of them look like they're ready to run away.

Just like in the US, to join the police in Colombia people have to enter the Police Academy. There are minimum requirements, but looking tough isn't one of them. Considering Colombian culture, I expect the more feminine and attractive a woman is, the easier her path through the academy.

[QUOTE]I don't fly to other countries (you should have placed a period here and started a new sentence with "I pretend to fly to other countries") because I can't get pussy in USA (Time for another period. The rest makes no sense. Perhaps you should start by getting over your penis envy attitude.) but rather because I have trouble finding sweet chicas w / o the penis envy attitude.

Most females have a nice ass in tight jeans, what about when they take them off? This is why I like asian females so much, they are so feminine (unlike many North American and Latin American females).

I've spent my share of time in SEA and never saw 1 female cop, (periods are your friends. There's no shame in finishing a sentence and beginning a new one.) forgive me for preferring "traditional gender roles" (Did someone tell you ISG charges extra for periods? They're free. You can use them without fear.) I think truck drivers should be men. (ok except jjthesuperspreader)[/QUOTE]I know there are plenty of exceptions, but preferring Asian women for their nice asses is like preferring African women for their white skin.

"Traditional gender roles" translates to "women intimidate me. " Sadly, there are a lot of biological males (not men, because men aren't afraid of women) who are always worried some woman can do their job better. They're usually right.

In Thailand 8% of the police are women. In the Philippines 14% are women. Any other countries where you've never seen a female cop? That compares to 13.1% in the US. The trick to seeing a female cop in SEA is to first go to SEA.

Why exactly should truck drivers be men? What facet of the job is too difficult for women? I'm curious. All trucks today have power steering, air conditioning, air ride suspensions, cruise control, adjustable seats as comfortable as you'll find in any luxury car, and most have automatic transmissions.

[QUOTE]And stewardesses should be female LMAO.[/QUOTE]Stewardesses are female. Males are called stewards, although now the term is flight attendant.

It's weird you singled out flight attendants as a feminine role. They have to handle luggage, provide security services in case of unruly passengers and take charge in the event of a casualty. That's physical labor, being a cop and holding a leadership position in an emergency, along with provide emergency medical care. Traditional gender roles assign those tasks to men.

[QUOTE]I like females Im having sex to be extremely feminine, subservient and obsequious (you left off "inflatable." Also you should insert a period.) I think that eliminates female cops, even if just the baton cops

I see many "female" cops in Chicago (again you skipped your period. Are you sure you're not pregnant?) Im guessing most are butch lesbian, (It's like a disease. "Menophobia" applies to menstruation, not punctuation) just because they wear tight pants or wear makeup doesnt mean I want to fuck them, ever!![/QUOTE]I'm seeing someone who, after a lifetime of degradation from an overbearing mother, is terrified of women, afraid they will all humiliate him and who posts online to pretend he's a big, strong, manly man.

Don't worry. I'm sure everyone believes you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2665601]Normally I wouldn't bother, but since you decided to include me I'll give you a few minutes.

That's not the way it works. They don't try to find "tough" girls to hire. There's not a division of the Colombian National Police that walks around looking for tough people and asks them to become cops. Anyone, and I mean anyone from toddler to senior citizen, who has been to Colombia can tell you that most of the police don't look tough at all. That includes the men. Most of them look like they're ready to run away.

Just like in the US, to join the police in Colombia people have to enter the Police Academy. There are minimum requirements, but looking tough isn't one of them. Considering Colombian culture, I expect the more feminine and attractive a woman is, the easier her path through the academy.

I know there are plenty of exceptions, but preferring Asian women for their nice asses is like preferring African women for their white skin.

"Traditional gender roles" translates to "women intimidate me. " Sadly, there are a lot of biological males (not men, because men aren't afraid of women) who are always worried some woman can do their job better. They're usually right..[/QUOTE]Well damn JjBee62 tell him how you really feel. LOL I loved the response sir that was spot on.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2665403]No one that has graduated from High School refers to women as "females". Boys might do that, adolescents, maybe. But adults? Someone that claims to have travelled around the world would never call the fairer sex "females".

Women, Chicas, Ladies, Latinas, Girls, Lasses, Maidens. Any of those but "females". I'm sorry, that sounds like a teenager taking a biology course for the first time. Just another instance of a pretender on our board.[/QUOTE]I say females I could even be more specific and say biological females, for your "ilk".

You know the type that mess with boys in girls clothes and call them ladies!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2665334]Was it ever on the rails?[/QUOTE]The MDE threads are one of the most toxic threads on ISG jaja. Bunch of fake basement mongers + broke mongers that are so concerned about how others spend their money.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665473] That group of guys is fucking pissed at us because we did not let the pandemic fuck up our lives and I think they are jealous.[/QUOTE]Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful emotion.

I am still upset that they called me fat. I am very sensitive about my obesity.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2665679]I say females I could even be more specific and say biological females, for your "ilk".

You know the type that mess with boys in girls clothes and call them ladies![/QUOTE]Its lost on him. He probably doesn't even know the difference between a female and a woman.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2665744]Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful emotion.

I am still upset that they called me fat. I am very sensitive about my obesity.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I guess you are not their type. LOL. No lunches for you!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2665297]Do you know they try to find "tough" females to hire, when I'm having sex I want it to be with an extremely feminine female, not one that just has a nice ass in tight pants, that means nothing.

And even if they had a nice ass there's much more to a good session, if I wanted a beech I could just stay in USA.

I don't fly to other countries because I can't get pussy in USA but rather because I have trouble finding sweet chicas w / o the penis envy attitude.

Most females have a nice ass in tight jeans, what about when they take them off? This is why I like asian females so much, they are so feminine (unlike many North American and Latin American females).

I've spent my share of time in SEA and never saw 1 female cop, forgive me for preferring "traditional gender roles" I think truck drivers should be men. (ok except jjthesuperspreader)

And stewardesses should be female LMAO.

I like females Im having sex to be extremely feminine, subservient and obsequious I think that eliminates female cops, even if just the baton cops

I see many "female" cops in Chicago Im guessing most are butch lesbian, just because they wear tight pants or wear makeup doesnt mean I want to fuck them, ever!![/QUOTE]What a weird collection of thoughts. While you can certainly meet Asian women with nice asses, on average they tend to be on the flatter side. A dedicated ass man probably isn't going to choose Asia over Latin America.

And there are plenty of Latinas that are very traditional (and even subservient if that's what you really want).

But yeah, it'd be nice if all flight attendants were not only female, but young attractive, friendly females. I guess like it was 50 years ago. Truck drivers - who gives a shit?

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2665701]The MDE threads are one of the most toxic threads on ISG jaja. Bunch of fake basement mongers + broke mongers that are so concerned about how others spend their money.[/QUOTE]They aren't even mongers, but basement buttboys, mostly in Europe, that found a home when ISG instituted the free for all threads.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665473]Villainy, JJBee, Paulie, and Huacho bought the government BS. Paulie and Huacho sealed themselves off from the world for 2 years.[/QUOTE]I don't know Paulie, and you're an asshole, but IDK why you think I 'sealed myself off from the world. ' I didn't go running back to the Yew Ess and hide in my basement, probably because I don't have a house or a basement. I stayed in LatAm throughout the lockdowns and fucked my neighbor from London. Eventually they kicked us all out but I got vaccinated as soon as I could and came back the very first day I was eligible to return. I never got COVID and I never gave COVID to anyone and I stayed high and got laid throughout the entire mess. The fact I believe in vaccines does not equate to 'buying the government bullshit. ' Had I gotten COVID, I would not have sought treatment and would have either survived, likely since I am not a fat out of shape junk food eating comorbid douche bag, or I would have died. I've had a long and full life and nobody depends on me so no hospitals or ventilators for me. Marijuana allows me to tolerate almost anything.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2665744]Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful emotion.

I am still upset that they called me fat. I am very sensitive about my obesity.[/QUOTE]I heard you were so tall and skinny that your nickname is 'Six O'Clock. '.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2665701]The MDE threads are one of the most toxic threads on ISG jaja. Bunch of fake basement mongers + broke mongers that are so concerned about how others spend their money.[/QUOTE]None of us have any objections to you or anyone else being stupid with your money, but be advised Colombia is one big hustle. There's never a good reason to pay more for less. Thus one of the best purposes of forums like this is to help people get the most bang for the buck. If that offends you then you are hanging out in the wrong place. Such advice may not always be accurate but it has a place here. Telling people to refrain from offering spending advise is not only asinine, but athithetical to the purpose of ISG.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2665744]I am still upset that they called me fat. I am very sensitive about my obesity.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665805]Yeah, I guess you are not their type. LOL. No lunches for you![/QUOTE]It sounds to me like porky (JustTK) hasn't skipped a meal in a long time. I have to marvel at one thing tough. How does someone who says (claims) he is a vegan become obese?

You can eat kale, carrots and celery until you can't stand up and you still won't gain weight.

Ahhh well. Like so many other claims made in this thread. We'll just have to call it one of those great unsolved mysteries.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2665701]The MDE threads are one of the most toxic threads on ISG jaja. Bunch of fake basement mongers + broke mongers that are so concerned about how others spend their money.[/QUOTE]FYI I come out once a year to look for my shadow like a a ground hog and change my underwear as a bonus.

Overpaying can lead to real drama. If two guys overpay a girl then she expects the next in line, being the third one, to do the same. If the third guy in line pays the local or normal price then there can be serious drama. So overpaying can definitely be a problem. Better to take her out to dinner or buy her a gift to make her feel special. Try overpaying an employee and wait until the other employees find out and see what happens to your dumb ass. Maybe go to the Philippines and see how the bar girls go to the Koreans first because they overpay. Should be fairly obvious since the Koreans have bought nearly half the Fields bars in Angeles City in a fairly quick 10 years.

[QUOTE=HornyDude353;2665881]Hi,

I'm heading back down to Medellin in a couple weeks and was wondering if strip clubs like La Isla or Fase Dos are still open? I've not heard much talk of them recently but keen to go if they are back open as I liked the selection pre covid times.

Also when looking for FB girls how do you even begin searching for them? I'm at a loss but would like to see if there is something that takes my fancy.

I'm hoping that I can use Tinder mainly or worst case maybe even join up to SA, I'm going to try and avoid the street walkers.[/QUOTE]Wow! Every week the same thing.

"Where do I go?

"What do I do?

"Where do I stay?

"Is it safe?

"FB girls?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2665937] Better to take her out to dinner or buy her a gift to make her feel special.[/QUOTE]Or maybe just realize she is a fucking hooker and that's not actually anything special.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2665891]You're an asshole[/QUOTE]The feeling is mutual. You going to brag about how you would let people die again?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2665891]I never got COVID and I never gave COVID to anyone and I stayed high throughout the entire mess. I am not a fat out of shape junk food eating comorbid Marijuana allows me to tolerate almost anything.[/QUOTE]And you are bragging about this? Do women keep their children away from you? "Hey dudes, I may be a stoner, but I am not fat. ". Yes, you are the epitome of health.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2665891]Had I gotten COVID, I would not have sought treatment and would have either survived, or I would have died.[/QUOTE]Again, you are bragging while being an idiot.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2665891]I've had a long and full life and nobody depends on me.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that is no surprise. I get why no one wants to have anything to do with you.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2665932]It sounds to me like porky (JustTK) hasn't skipped a meal in a long time. I have to marvel at one thing tough. How does someone who says (claims) he is a vegan become obese?
[/QUOTE]Yeah, nothing gets by you Einstein. LOL.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAr2CkGPJ8M&ab_channel=UnHerd[/URL]

This stock market watcher disaggregates the figures. He just does not lump Sweden and Denmark together as one of the Biden fools do. Well worth watching. He speaks about marginalized groups rejecting the clot shot. So many variables. Israel, South Africa etc all figure.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2665937]Try overpaying an employee and wait until the other employees find out and see what happens to your dumb ass. Maybe go to the Philippines and see how the bar girls go to the Koreans first because they overpay. Should be fairly obvious since the Koreans have bought nearly half the Fields bars in Angeles City in a fairly quick 10 years.[/QUOTE]You must work in an union shit job at some warehouse making the same shit pay as your peers in the name of "equity". I work in the tech industry where compensation has a wide range for the same roles, where pay is based on value / perceived value you bring to the company. Yeah, the Koreans went from overpaying the girls to actually employing them, good argument there. I'm not going to haggle with a hooker to save a $5-20 bucks off her "normal rates" just to appease you. FOH jaja.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665974]The feeling is mutual. You going to brag about how you would let people die again?

And you are bragging about this? Do women keep their children away from you? "Hey dudes, I may be a stoner, but I am not fat. ". Yes, you are the epitome of health.

Again, you are bragging while being an idiot.

Yeah, that is no surprise. I get why no one wants to have anything to do with you.[/QUOTE]Weed will not shorten your life expectancy. You know how fucking fat you are and you hate yourself for it and you are powerless to do anything about it. So just keep hitting that drive thru window and paying your SA women, who are not prostitutes in your mind, but are in reality.

[QUOTE=Combo;2665811]What a weird collection of thoughts. While you can certainly meet Asian women with nice asses, on average they tend to be on the flatter side. A dedicated ass man probably isn't going to choose Asia over Latin America.

And there are plenty of Latinas that are very traditional (and even subservient if that's what you really want).

But yeah, it'd be nice if all flight attendants were not only female, but young attractive, friendly females. I guess like it was 50 years ago. Truck drivers - who gives a shit?[/QUOTE]I don't fly to other countries because I can't get pussy in USA but rather because I have trouble finding sweet chicas w / o the penis envy attitude.

This is why I like Asian females so much, they are so feminine (unlike many North American and Latin American females).

But while we are at it, I will state I will take the Asian female putas bodies over the Latinas bodies, the BMI is much lower and yes their asses are smaller.

Asses are generally gross, and the bigger the grosser for sure, case in point Gustos and La Isla aka buffalo in high heels.

Is the specialty of ISG bms in this thread to misquote what others write? I see reading comprehension is a serious issue here.

And please define plenty?

And there are plenty of Latinas that are very traditional (and even subservient if that's what you really want).

5 or 10%? Like finding a needle in the proverbial hay stack.

And probably not selling pussy in MDE.

But working a job as a maid in some small town.

Go to SEA and see what the rate is like.

90-95% feminine, petite, subservient very low BMIs, very low incidence of baby damage as well.

Extremely tight pussies and much less ink and implants.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2665601]Normally I wouldn't bother, but since you decided to include me I'll give you a few minutes.

That's not the way it works. They don't try to find "tough" girls to hire. There's not a division of the Colombian National Police that walks around looking for tough people and asks them to become cops. Anyone, and I mean anyone from toddler to senior citizen, who has been to Colombia can tell you that most of the police don't look tough at all. That includes the men. Most of them look like they're ready to run away.

Just like in the US, to join the police in Colombia people have to enter the Police Academy. There are minimum requirements, but looking tough isn't one of them. Considering Colombian culture, I expect the more feminine and attractive a woman is, the easier her path through the academy.

I know there are plenty of exceptions, but preferring Asian women for their nice asses is like preferring African women for their white skin.

"Traditional gender roles" translates to "women intimidate me. " Sadly, there are a lot of biological males (not men, because men aren't afraid of women) who are always worried some woman can do their job better. They're usually right.

In Thailand 8% of the police are women. In the Philippines 14% are women. Any other countries where you've never seen a female cop? That compares to 13.1% in the US. The trick to seeing a female cop in SEA is to first go to SEA..[/QUOTE]You can't run away whilst getting your teeth kicked in and beg for mercy and then return after 6 months to fight again that's not how it works.

If you want to chat upload a copy of your passport so we can meet up with the Colombian national policia to discuss your last visit and this post.

When guys start wishing I would die, when guys start claiming they are gods, it's no longer just fun and games. It's become a new reality, a dangerous new reality.

2,436,812,093 - the number of Colombians I infected.

419,251,994 - the number of Colombians who died.

Here's what she considers funny on 08.01. 21.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665805]Yeah, I guess you are not their type. LOL. No lunches for you![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.aol.com/news/u-alabama-vp-resigns-accused-170543212-174258493.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2665894]I heard you were so tall and skinny that your nickname is 'Six O'Clock. '.[/QUOTE]No. I am bloated and circular, like jpaedo's rationale. Too many burgers, snacks and beer, I guess.

So fat, I can hardly get an errction, so some rather call me 7 oclock.

So if someone says they didn't get COVID, they are bragging? What if I said I did get COVID? Is that bragging? The process of following the rules was not fun. Did the fact that I followed the rules help to prevent COVID? We will never know because you can't prove a negative. I'm man enough to admit I was quite scared during the first few months. It did not seem to be a fun way to die, so I did try to avoid the virus and was successful in doing so. Also just because I think I was probably healthy enough to survive it, that does not mean I wanted to get sick. In general I don't like to get sick.

I personally followed all the COVID protocols that were in place, everywhere I went, all the time. And I personally did not get COVID. That does not mean that I would have definitely gotten COVID if I had not followed the protocols. It also does not mean that nobody who also followed all protocols got COVID. It's one data point, my experience. I followed the rules at all times, I got vaccinated as soon as I could, boosted as soon as I could, and I personally did not get COVID. Possibly there is no correlation between what I did and my result but I'm okay with my approach. I did convert ten kilos of useless blubber into lean muscle during the lockdowns here so there is that!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2666055]No. I am bloated and circular, like jpaedo's rationale. Too many burgers, snacks and beer, I guess.

So fat, I can hardly get an errction, so some rather call me 7 oclock.[/QUOTE]I'm losing track of all the players in this cartoon, aren't you the healthy vegan eater?

[QUOTE=RacShack;2666070]I'm losing track of all the players in this cartoon, aren't you the healthy vegan eater?[/QUOTE]Yes, but it doesn't fit my narrative right now. So I have switched sides and am now making up BS like they do.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666029]Weed will not shorten your life expectancy.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yeah, okay. And all that booze makes you live longer.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666029] You know how fucking fat you are and you hate yourself for it and you are powerless to do anything about it.[/QUOTE]But you love yourself for isolating yourself and being a drunk and a stoner? Man, you Democratic douches really have a fucked up sense of morality. You can attack Mr. E on weight but not the color of his skin. But thin people who drink, get stoned, and treat women as objects like you do are cool? Where the fuck do you guys come up with this shit?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666029]You know how fucking fat you are and you hate yourself for it and you are powerless to do anything about it.[/QUOTE]Why stop there? I hate myself for being white and being male. In your fucked up douche culture, you cannot criticize Mr. E's skin color but you can mine.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666029]So just keep hitting that drive thru window and paying your SA women, who are not prostitutes in your mind, but are in reality.[/QUOTE]Sorry, douche, Mr. E challenged me not to give my current woman money, and after he did that, I did not give her a dime. The best retort to douches like you who say I am paying women money is to say, "What money?" Thing is I get that may be hard for you to understand as by your own admission you have no valuable relationships in your life.

I showed this guy my woman's pic at work, and his jaw dropped. He is now telling me to show everyone a pic of my woman, but I do not like doing that.

Having a 10 in love with you and wanting to fuck you day and night is something a "man" like you cannot understand. A douche like you looks at every woman as a pro and they happily fill that role.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666064]Did the fact that I followed the rules help to prevent COVID? We will never know because you can't prove a negative. I'm man enough to admit I was quite scared during the first few months.
![/QUOTE]I seem to remember you attacking me when I said I hadn't caught the virus. You said "how do you know, you could have been asymptomatic?" - that question has finally caught up with you.

And are you saying that only men can admit to be scared? It would not be womanly for someone (e. G. A woman) to admit they were scared?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666064]I personally followed all the COVID protocols that were in place, everywhere I went, all the time... Possibly there is no correlation between what I did and my result but I'm okay with my approach. [/QUOTE]Yes, we get that your a sheep. But no doubt it helped you stay out of hsopital, Huacho. The stats seem to support that outcome from the vax.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666064]I did convert ten kilos of useless blubber[/QUOTE]Did you go for liposuction?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666064]The process of following the rules was not fun.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that is my point. Some of us followed rules that made sense to us and ditched the ones that did not. The airlines are still giving out sanitary napkins so you can clean your seat. A douche like you will take said napkin and scrub your seat until it shines even though that has not one fucking thing to do with Covid.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666064]I'm man enough to admit I was quite scared during the first few months. It did not seem to be a fun way to die, so I did try to avoid the virus and was successful in doing so.[/QUOTE]Anybody who watched the shit you watched would feel that way, but what you were watching was total bullshit. And I can tell from your posts you are still watching that trash.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666064]I did convert ten kilos of useless blubber into lean muscle during the lockdowns here so there is that![/QUOTE]So now you were not depressed and suicidal but using the pandemic to become Rocky. Uh, okay, sure pal.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2665982][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAr2CkGPJ8M&ab_channel=UnHerd[/URL]

This stock market watcher disaggregates the figures. He just does not lump Sweden and Denmark together as one of the Biden fools do. Well worth watching. He speaks about marginalized groups rejecting the clot shot. So many variables. Israel, South Africa etc all figure.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the link Pedro. That was a good clip. It is funny how even now the interviewer has to be so careful about saying anything negative about the vaccines.

What I liked about your clip is the analyst was not spouting off political BS but just talking about making money and like he said the vaccine companies did not deliver. They are doing all they can to keep the Covid "vaccines" going. What Pfizer is projecting, and what Osteo mentioned, is yearly vaccines for Covid, but there are problems with that.

First off, the "vaccines" do not last a year. Second, Covid has appeared to morph into less deadly strains. The funny part is to get a vaccine approved it has to work 50% of the time at preventing a disease. These "vaccines" do not do that.

I am shocked Moderna went down in price as much as it did. That tells me the smart money is actually betting on the "vaccines" being shitty and how they are going to be phased out. The politicians and health care leaders may not have made up their minds what to do with Covid "vaccines" in the future, but Wall Street sure has.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2666078]I seem to remember you attacking me when I said I hadn't caught the virus. You said "how do you know, you could have been asymptomatic?" - that question has finally caught up with you.

And are you saying that only men can admit to be scared? It would not be womanly for someone (e. G. A woman) to admit they were scared?

Yes, we get that your a sheep. But no doubt it helped you stay out of hsopital, Huacho. The stats seem to support that outcome from the vax.

Did you go for liposuction?[/QUOTE]When you're right, you're right. I could, indeed, have been asymptomatic. I should modify what I said to what is provable and that is, I never felt remotely sick, and until I got vaxxed I was taking my temperature three times a day, bleaching the snot out of flat surfaces (probably a waste of time for COVID but hey my place is clean! And being judicious in my contacts.

Men are less likely to admit to being scared than woman are. Everyone knows that. And as I said, I would not have burdened the hospital system in the Third World country in which I am a guest. And COVID was like virtual liposuction. A lot of people gained weight. I was just a little overweight when COVID hit and was going to the gym. No gym, I just wasted away. Eating failed to interest me. It was gnarly. I think I lost the ten kg by like May. I was a stick figure. Now I have put most of it back on as muscle so that is good. And the gym used to be ridiculously crowded and now it's not.

But the streetwalkers haven't really returned here yet and I'm sad about that. The municipality has taken a turn to the right so they might not ever be back. Sob.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2665982][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAr2CkGPJ8M&ab_channel=UnHerd[/URL]
.[/QUOTE]One of my fave news channels. The host is so thoughtful and is often skeptical of government propaganda. Like all good journalists should be and once were.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/who-is-dying-from-covid-still-mainly-the-unvaccinated/ar-AAU7eps?li=BBnb7Kz[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2665552]Not at all. When I get to Medellin the week after next I am just going to fuck women instead of going to lunch with a bunch of dudes everyday and not fucking women.[/QUOTE]Funny how they all went into hiding after my post ROTF.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2666117]Funny how they all went into hiding after my post ROTF.[/QUOTE]I foresee MDS walking around MDE "strapped" and like the Terminator from this point forward LMAO.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2666117]Funny how they all went into hiding after my post ROTF.[/QUOTE]Or perhaps they don't see your posts cause you're on 90% of the BMs ignore list? LOL. Looking forward to your summer SEA monger trip report.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2666550]Or perhaps they don't see your posts cause you're on 90% of the BMs ignore list? LOL. Looking forward to your summer SEA monger trip report.[/QUOTE]Like I said before none of it will be of interest to you, you have written you like licking the anal warts of 3rd world putas like your idol Osteo, especially the "ones with curves".

What's wrong no self esteem to go for the thin hot ones where ever you go? So you go for the ones that won't reject you, you know the ones no one else in their right minds would want LOL.

Bon Appetit dirtbag.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2666663]Like I said before none of it will be of interest to you, you have written you like licking the anal warts of 3rd world putas like your idol Osteo, especially the "ones with curves".

What's wrong no self esteem to go for the thin hot ones where ever you go? So you go for the ones that won't reject you, you know the ones no one else in their right minds would want LOL.

Bon Appetit dirtbag.[/QUOTE]Speak to me when you get out of your mom's basement and can actually prove you've mongered. You claim to have met several ISG members, yet not a single BM can vouch for you jajaja clown.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/state-trooper-who-told-off-washington-gov-jay-inslee-over-vaccine-mandate-dies-from-covid/ar-AATnxLZ?li=BBnbfcL[/URL]

Hey, at least he went out on his own terms.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2666949][URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/state-trooper-who-told-off-washington-gov-jay-inslee-over-vaccine-mandate-dies-from-covid/ar-AATnxLZ?li=BBnbfcL[/URL]

Hey, at least he went out on his own terms.[/QUOTE]I thought you would be too busy cleaning surfaces with bleach and taking your temperature to be ODing on fear porn. Guess not.

[URL]https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/2017/08/man_killed_by_pimp_during_date.html[/URL]

[URL]https://thenochill.com/las-vegas-pimp-sentenced-to-death-for-killing-three-people/[/URL]

And you are still seeing street walkers? Aren't you worried? Do you have sex with them in full on body suits?

Unless you are allergic to latex, maybe you should look at these: [URL]https://www.tinysexdolls.com/[/URL].

It might be late, but you and MSN and MSNBC still seem to be in pandemic mode.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2666830]Yeah, I cannot tell you how many times I have gotten into a cab with my gal, and we have a cab driver looking to fleece us. I see what they see, an older man with a younger hot gal, and the cabbies think they can fleece me with the ride. If I object to the fare, it looks like I have no money and look like a fool in front of the woman.

So I cannot tell you how many times a cabbie will say a ride is 20 mil and my gal will chime in and say, "No, that is a 10 mil ride" and scold the cabbie in her motherly "I am so ashamed of you" voice. Those cabbies sink down in their seats after being busted, and after that happens, I assure you the cabbie is not laughing but I am.[/QUOTE]Seriously dude, you need to sharpen up your story telling. Let's examine a few of your comments for a reality check. Cabbie tells you the fare is 20 mil but it is only 10 mil. What does the meter say?? You are aware that cabs have meters right?? Are you going to tell me your "gal" knows the route and how much it should cost but when the cabbie took you on the long route to up the meter she didn't say anything? Like. (for example) "Where the F* are you going? This isn't the way."

Why aren't you using In-Driver? I'm sure your "gal" told you that is what Colombians use. You download the app. Something even you could probably manage. Put in your location and your destination and a suggested price. If you don't know. Put in something low-reasonable. You will get all sorts of offers. If your price is reasonable you will get an acceptance. If not, you can raise your offer a mil or so. It really is an easy process and then you have a fixed rate deal. There won't be any cheating the gringo (as you imagine it to be).

Like so many of your "stories" you just tell the story you want to tell without regard to facts or reality. If you said it happened one time. I might have believed it even though I've learned to be very skeptical of your "facts". But you said it happened "more times than you can tell" and with a Colombiana accompanying you that knows the way. I'm sorry. I call BS.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667041]Seriously dude, you need to sharpen up your story telling. What does the meter say?? I'm sorry. I call BS.[/QUOTE]Let's just stop right there. Are you saying every cab in Colombia has a working meter? Because maybe you are not really in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667041]Why aren't you using In-Driver?[/QUOTE]Again, where are you? There are times and places it is very hard to get a ride share app to work, and it is quicker to hail a cab.

This taxi stuff happened most frequently in Cartagena. So now you are saying that people don't try to rip you off in Cartagena? Yes, thank God we have a "man" like you as a fact checker.

It is official. Anyone who has been ripped off or attempted to be ripped off in Cartagena is a liar per the great mind of Villainy.

With this kind of street savvy, it is a miracle that Colombians have not stripped you blind.

You are such a fool. Back on ignore for you.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667041]Seriously dude, you need to sharpen up your story telling. Let's examine a few of your comments for a reality check. Cabbie tells you the fare is 20 mil but it is only 10 mil. What does the meter say?? You are aware that cabs have meters right?? Are you going to tell me your "gal" knows the route and how much it should cost but when the cabbie took you on the long route to up the meter she didn't say anything? Like. (for example) "Where the F* are you going? This isn't the way."

Why aren't you using In-Driver? I'm sure your "gal" told you that is what Colombians use. You download the app. Something even you could probably manage. Put in your location and your destination and a suggested price. If you don't know. Put in something low-reasonable. You will get all sorts of offers. If your price is reasonable you will get an acceptance. If not, you can raise your offer a mil or so. It really is an easy process and then you have a fixed rate deal. There won't be any cheating the gringo (as you imagine it to be).

Like so many of your "stories" you just tell the story you want to tell without regard to facts or reality. If you said it happened one time. I might have believed it even though I've learned to be very skeptical of your "facts". But you said it happened "more times than you can tell" and with a Colombiana accompanying you that knows the way. I'm sorry. I call BS.[/QUOTE]Likely the twerp is yet another that has never set foot in Colombia. Has anyone ever met him? For now file him next to the Marquis de Twat with his 2012 gringa travel photos.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2666900]Speak to me when you get out of your mom's basement and can actually prove you've mongered. You claim to have met several ISG members, yet not a single BM can vouch for you jajaja clown.[/QUOTE]So far the only "proof" we have is ten year old ripped travel photo photos off a gringa blog and complaints about the high fat content in Colombian beef. Lolol.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2666700]They should make more money than a hotel worker. They are selling their body. It's a soul crushing job for a girl even if you're kind and they are attractive to you. They can only do it for a short time. I've seen girls hit the wall in 3 years in this business. I was with a hooker in Tijuana and her body was a 10.3 years later I lost interest because she gained so much weight. She turned into a 5 at best.[/QUOTE]Here's an observation:

I'm not going to name names or point fingers but it's very obvious there are many guys on this forum that either.

A. Truly hate women in general or.

B. Are envious of how much girls are making.

Clearly many guys are against women charging so much and guys paying so much.

I mean when they see girls with an iPhone 13 and they aren't even on that level here in the states it is possible that can be something that drives them towards a little bitterness.

If a person is selling their body it's THEIR CHOICE how much they want to charge.

It's OUR CHOICE to pay what they are charging.

We all know FB girls who charge less and charge more.

But why do guys get mad about it?

It's up to us to negotiate a better price and it's their job to try to make the most they can per date.

If you go to a club you'll pay 10 x the price for a bottle of champagne than if you buy it at a liqour store but yet guys will pop bottles at clubs. The same way a fb girl will charge 200 mil but later that night at Gustos start at 200 usd. As long as both guys regardless of what they paid is satisfied with the service it shouldn't matter to any of us. The.

I agree with TJbrazil. The permanent long term psychological damage of prostitution on a woman can never be replaced by money.

Some do it because they have no other choices.

Others do it to fill vain needs.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2667115] Why are guys concerned about what girls are making?

I'm not going to name names or point fingers but it's very obvious there are many guys on this forum that either.

A. Truly hate women in general or.

B. Are envious of how much girls are making.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2667151]My only issue with girls is not about how much $$ they make but it seems like the more they start charging the service actually deteriorates. When they start flexing like they are hot shit and are an absolute lousy lay!! They're still prostituting and they think they're better than someone because of their new found financial status which never lasts long.[/QUOTE]Look at you. You answered your own question in your very next post. So are you A. A woman hater or be. Envious?

Guys care about high prices because some guys do not have the money. But I think mostly because higher prices usually equates to less services and more attitude and demands. Higher prices also means they have a lot of experience so GFE is much rarer.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2667115]Here's an observation:

I'm not going to name names or point fingers but it's very obvious there are many guys on this forum that either.

A. Truly hate women in general or.

B. Are envious of how much girls are making.

Clearly many guys are against women charging so much and guys paying so much.

I mean when they see girls with an iPhone 13 and they aren't even on that level here in the states it is possible that can be something that drives them towards a little bitterness.

If a person is selling their body it's THEIR CHOICE how much they want to charge.

It's OUR CHOICE to pay what they are charging.

We all know FB girls who charge less and charge more.

But why do guys get mad about it?

It's up to us to negotiate a better price and it's their job to try to make the most they can per date..[/QUOTE]The bigger question:

Why are guys concerned about what other guys are spending? You probably spend more than I do and I spend more than what some others. It would be a concern if I was in Gusto and found a girl ready to go for 300 k and you walked up and offered her 500 k. It would be different if I went to El Centro and cut in on another's negotiations to tell the girl I'll pay 200 k.

You and TJBrazil are correct. Prostitutes are at much higher risk for substance abuse, mental illness and suicide. They're also at much higher risk to be victims of violent crime. Anyone who believes they all have great lives and are getting rich are fooling themselves.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2667070]Let's just stop right there. Are you saying every cab in Colombia has a working meter? Because maybe you are not really in Colombia.

Again, where are you? There are times and places it is very hard to get a ride share app to work, and it is quicker to hail a cab.

This taxi stuff happened most frequently in Cartagena. So now you are saying that people don't try to rip you off in Cartagena? Yes, thank God we have a "man" like you as a fact checker.

It is official. Anyone who has been ripped off or attempted to be ripped off in Cartagena is a liar per the great mind of Villainy.[/QUOTE]I see. You were in Cartagena when all these nefarious things happened to you. But instead of posting them in the Cartagena thread you decided to post them in the Medellin thread.

Did you specify these so called taxi rip-offs were in Cartagena? No. What really happened is that you are a liar and make up whatever story you feel like telling. You got caught smack dab in the middle of another of your lies and now you are trying to explain it away.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2667070]With this kind of street savvy, it is a miracle that Colombians have not stripped you blind.

You are such a fool. Back on ignore for you.[/QUOTE]Please put me on ignore. And stop lying. The last several times you said I was on permanent ignore. But again and again you keep roaring back with more lies.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667041]Seriously dude, you need to sharpen up your story telling. Let's examine a few of your comments for a reality check. Cabbie tells you the fare is 20 mil but it is only 10 mil. What does the meter say?? You are aware that cabs have meters right?? Are you going to tell me your "gal" knows the route and how much it should cost but when the cabbie took you on the long route to up the meter she didn't say anything? Like. (for example) "Where the F* are you going? This isn't the way."

Why aren't you using In-Driver? I'm sure your "gal" told you that is what Colombians use. You download the app. Something even you could probably manage. Put in your location and your destination and a suggested price. If you don't know. Put in something low-reasonable. You will get all sorts of offers. If your price is reasonable you will get an acceptance. If not, you can raise your offer a mil or so. It really is an easy process and then you have a fixed rate deal. There won't be any cheating the gringo (as you imagine it to be).

Like so many of your "stories" you just tell the story you want to tell without regard to facts or reality. If you said it happened one time. I might have believed it even though I've learned to be very skeptical of your "facts". But you said it happened "more times than you can tell" and with a Colombiana accompanying you that knows the way. I'm sorry. I call BS.[/QUOTE]Taxis in Cartagena don't have meter. Uber is almost non existent, not sure about ID. But I think that is a general problem even if one is alone.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2667214]Cartagena doesn't have meter. Uber is almost non existent, not sure about ID. But I think that is a general problem even if one is alone.[/QUOTE]Except that Elvis didn't post his "rip-off" experiences in the Cartagena thread he posted them in the Medellin thread and he didn't even attribute his experiences (if they are real) to Cartagena. This leads prospective visitors to Medellin to imagine all sorts of threats that really don't exist (except in his mind).

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667041]Seriously dude, you need to sharpen up your story telling. Let's examine a few of your comments for a reality check. Cabbie tells you the fare is 20 mil but it is only 10 mil. What does the meter say?? You are aware that cabs have meters right?? Are you going to tell me your "gal" knows the route and how much it should cost but when the cabbie took you on the long route to up the meter she didn't say anything? Like. (for example) "Where the F* are you going? This isn't the way."

Why aren't you using In-Driver? I'm sure your "gal" told you that is what Colombians use. You download the app. Something even you could probably manage. Put in your location and your destination and a suggested price. If you don't know. Put in something low-reasonable. You will get all sorts of offers. If your price is reasonable you will get an acceptance. If not, you can raise your offer a mil or so. It really is an easy process and then you have a fixed rate deal. There won't be any cheating the gringo (as you imagine it to be).

Like so many of your "stories" you just tell the story you want to tell without regard to facts or reality. If you said it happened one time. I might have believed it even though I've learned to be very skeptical of your "facts". But you said it happened "more times than you can tell" and with a Colombiana accompanying you that knows the way. I'm sorry. I call BS.[/QUOTE]There are a couple of simple solutions to the problem.

For taxis without meters, like in the DR, you ask the price before you get in the cab. If you don't like the rate, offer less or go to another taxi. I do the same when getting a taxi from the airport into Medellin.

For taxis with meters, when you get in check the meter to be sure it's reset. I've run into this a few times in Medellin. I'll point it out and the driver will reset it. Once the taxi is moving, keep an eye on the meter. If it suddenly jumps, the driver is manipulating the meter.

Some meters run faster than others and you might pay a little more. Usually it's only a dollar or less, not a big deal.

For awhile I was taking 10 taxis or more per week and maybe 1 out of 20 we're trying to cheat me. Most often I was taking the same trips so I knew how much I should be paying. 7400 pesos instead of 6800 pesos never seemed worth ruining my day over.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2665552]Not at all. When I get to Medellin the week after next I am just going to fuck women instead of going to lunch with a bunch of dudes everyday and not fucking women.[/QUOTE]You keep saying that, but you don't seem to be doing it. You said you were too busy fucking to mess with me and all anyone saw was you trying to mess with me. And we all know about Rio de Janeiro. You literally couldn't walk down the street without stopping to take pictures because you were thinking about me.

Even when I was too busy to check in and make fun of you, I'm still the number one topic on your mind, as indicated by your post above.

Anyone want to start a betting pool? We can bet on how many mentions or references MsE makes about me compared to the number of women he specifically describes fucking. One question though. When he refers to me and fucking a woman in the same post, how do we count that?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667232]Except that Elvis didn't post his "rip-off" experiences in the Cartagena thread he posted them in the Medellin thread and he didn't even attribute his experiences (if they are real) to Cartagena. This leads prospective visitors to Medellin to imagine all sorts of threats that really don't exist (except in his mind).[/QUOTE]Except I have posted like a dozen times my gal and I have a place in Cartagena. And there is this from the Medellin thread.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2667196]Agree. Seems like every where I go. It happens about 30% of the time. It kills the mood, so I flat out refuse to use a taxi.[/QUOTE]I guess it does not happen with you because the only women you ride in taxis with are older, ugly skanks.

Just curious, do you and JJBee share a taxi when you are on your dates?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667041]Seriously dude, you need to sharpen up your story telling. Let's examine a few of your comments for a reality check. Cabbie tells you the fare is 20 mil but it is only 10 mil. What does the meter say?? You are aware that cabs have meters right?
Why aren't you using In-Driver?[/QUOTE]I have to wonder as Elvis does if you are talking about Colombia. If it is raining, and late at night, there are cabbies around Parque Lleras who turn off their meters. Then they quote some ridiculous fare. That is, if the rider notices the meter. If not, at the end of the trip is when the encounter occurs.

I have tried to use In-Driver a few times. Usually not successful. I have offered fares and weren't accepted. Then I use Cabify, and sometimes cost less than what I offered. Uber and DiDi are getting to be more scarce in and around Medellin.

A great short video on the cause and symptoms of fascism in the USA:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glGBrzTPztQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2667264]I have to wonder as Elvis does if you are talking about Colombia. If it is raining, and late at night, there are cabbies around Parque Lleras who turn off their meters. Then they quote some ridiculous fare. That is, if the rider notices the meter. If not, at the end of the trip is when the encounter occurs.

I have tried to use In-Driver a few times. Usually not successful. I have offered fares and weren't accepted. Then I use Cabify, and sometimes cost less than what I offered. Uber and DiDi are getting to be more scarce in and around Medellin.[/QUOTE]If you aren't making sure the meter is turned on and reset to the starting price, and you can't figure out how to use InDriver. Maybe you should "wonder" about your own intelligence.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2667257]Download this app called inDriver its like Uber but better and it works really good in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I just happened to see this post by another member in the Medellin thread. No one else seems to have much trouble downloading or using the app.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2667264]I have to wonder as Elvis does if you are talking about Colombia. If it is raining, and late at night, there are cabbies around Parque Lleras who turn off their meters. Then they quote some ridiculous fare. That is, if the rider notices the meter. If not, at the end of the trip is when the encounter occurs.

I have tried to use In-Driver a few times. Usually not successful. I have offered fares and weren't accepted. Then I use Cabify, and sometimes cost less than what I offered. Uber and DiDi are getting to be more scarce in and around Medellin.[/QUOTE]Whenever I'm around Parque Lleras, looking for a taxi, I walk down to Parque Poblado and grab the first taxi in line. I've done that at all hours, except when it's really late and they're all gone. I've never seen one from there with the meter off, although I have seen some who hadn't reset the meter.

I figure the taxis circling around the park are more likely to be crooked, hoping to get a drunk who doesn't know better.

I've found Uber to be hit or miss. It gets annoying watching rides get 2 minutes away and cancel.

During the hours when they're available and I'm traveling by myself I am usually fine with grabbing a bus or the Metro, but that's not a popular choice when you're taking a girl back to your place.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2667261]Except I have posted like a dozen times my puss and I have a place in Cartagena.[/QUOTE]Why would I read your posts in the Cartagena thread since I live in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2667261]I guess it does not happen with you because the only women you ride in taxis with are older, ugly skanks.
Just curious, do you and JJBee share a taxi when you are on your dates?[/QUOTE]Or perhaps I don't look and sound like I'm oozing papaya. Shouldn't you ask yourself why you are getting targeted all the time when others are not?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667256]Even when I was too busy to check in and make fun of you, I'm still the number one topic on your mind, as indicated by your post above.[/QUOTE]Huh Shaggy? I never mentioned your name or referred to anyone else besides myself in my post. I guess a hit dog will holler.

So you admit coming to Colombia to go to lunch with a bunch of dudes everyday and not fucking women. Hey, it was your trip to do as you pleased.

Stop trying the Jedi mind tricks. No matter how much you suggest some other dudes should have you on their minds, it will only work on your lunch buddies.

There is nothing in this post that says JjBabbleOn, but I guess the glass slipper fitted, so you slid it on your foot.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2665552]Not at all. When I get to Medellin the week after next I am just going to fuck women instead of going to lunch with a bunch of dudes everyday and not fucking women.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2667329]Buy prescription drugs in the 3rd world.

Some buy Viagra etc, I won't even do that.

The quality or lack thereof may kill you or your loved ones (or maybe not).

The more critical it is to your health the more critical it is that you buy the "real" thing from a western pharmacy in a western country.[/QUOTE]Over half of the active pharmaceutical ingredients used to make "American drugs" are made in China and India, with more coming from China. The fact is that most finished prescription drugs sold in USA Pharmacies are manufactured in facilities located all over the world, but very few in China.

Research by [URL]PharmacyChecker.com[/URL] shows that 71% of top brand-name medications sold in USA Pharmacies are imported, demonstrating that the FDA's public statements on manufacturing are incorrect. Since 2010, FDA leadership has stated that 40% of finished medications and 80% of the active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) used to make all finished pharmaceuticals sold in the USA Are foreign made.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667292]If you aren't making sure the meter is turned on and reset to the starting price, and you can't figure out how to use InDriver. Maybe you should "wonder" about your own intelligence.

I just happened to see this post by another member in the Medellin thread. No one else seems to have much trouble downloading or using the app.[/QUOTE]I know how to use In-Driver. Only a douch like you would have problems understanding a simple English sentence. Not successful using an app indicates the result was not what was expected. You are the one who asked "What does the meter say? I pointed out that some taxi drivers don't use the meter all the time.

One person had a positive comment about In-Driver and you interpret that as everyone else in the world besides me doesn't have much trouble using the app. You should look in the mirror when you question someone's intelligence.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667410]Huh Shaggy? I never mentioned your name or referred to anyone else besides myself in my post. I guess a hit dog will holler.

So you admit coming to Colombia to go to lunch with a bunch of dudes everyday and not fucking women. Hey, it was your trip to do as you pleased.

Stop trying the Jedi mind tricks. No matter how much you suggest some other dudes should have you on their minds, it will only work on your lunch buddies.

There is nothing in this post that says JjBabbleOn, but I guess the glass slipper fitted, so you slid it on your foot.[/QUOTE]Really? For 2 weeks you've been yapping like a little puppy about me having lunch with people and then mention you won't be having lunch with "dudes" and it's not a candy ass remark from some broke ass bitchboy? Uh-huh.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2667467]Over half of the active pharmaceutical ingredients used to make "American drugs" are made in China and India, with more coming from China. The fact is that most finished prescription drugs sold in USA Pharmacies are manufactured in facilities located all over the world, but very few in China.

Research by [URL]PharmacyChecker.com[/URL] shows that 71% of top brand-name medications sold in USA Pharmacies are imported, demonstrating that the FDA's public statements on manufacturing are incorrect. Since 2010, FDA leadership has stated that 40% of finished medications and 80% of the active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) used to make all finished pharmaceuticals sold in the USA Are foreign made.[/QUOTE]You are exactly correct where Marquisdesade1 is not. I have a pharmaceutical background.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2667480]I know how to use In-Driver. Only a douch like you would have problems understanding a simple English sentence. Not successful using an app indicates the result was not what was expected. You are the one who asked "What does the meter say? I pointed out that some taxi drivers don't use the meter all the time.

One person had a positive comment about In-Driver and you interpret that as everyone else in the world besides me doesn't have much trouble using the app. You should look in the mirror when you question someone's intelligence.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RacShack;2667260]Yes really good, and worth its weight in gold for first time visitor not speaking Spanish, never say a word order on phone and jump in and be on your way with zero jam up, can't recommend it enough! Enjoy![/QUOTE]Apparently you don't excel at reading. Here is another comment about the app. Apparently many people find it easy to use. Several of my friends who live here use it religiously. It usually works out to be less expensive than a cab and it has the added benefit that you don't have to check the meter for those like you that find it too challenging.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667402]Why would I read your posts in the Cartagena thread since I live in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Obviously, you feel badly about something. Did someone cancel a lunch date or your favorite 60 year old ho double her rates from 5 k to 10 k? Something got into you today where you are looking for a fight.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667402]Or perhaps I don't look and sound like I'm oozing papaya.[/QUOTE]Taxis have meters? Bitching about people not knowing how to use apps? WTF? Oozing papaya? FL had it right. Look in the mirror douche.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2667402]Shouldn't you ask yourself why you are getting targeted all the time when others are not?[/QUOTE]So it really was not about scaring board members away from the "honest" taxi drivers of Medellin but a personal attack? Gee, that is a shocker.

You are just a Democratic douche attacking someone he perceives to be a Republican. You showed that when you praised JJBee when he was spreading the virus and chastised others like me.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2667488]You are exactly correct where Marquisdesade1 is not. I have a pharmaceutical background.[/QUOTE]Please anyone reading this don't take medical advice from some fool on a sex forum named Husker Dude that states "I have a pharmaceutical background."

I learned this from a friend that is a Mexican pharmacist that owns his own farmacia after I went to him for antibiotics, he told me, unequivocally.

Do not buy Mexican medicine, it is not very good (none of it), as he hung his head in shame.

He told me get to the border and into the USA to get what I need but whatever you do "Do not buy Mexican medicine."

What next you're going to tell people to get chemotherapy and brain surgery in the 3rd world because its cheaper? But just as good, no wait its even better, right.

Keep your reckless foolishness to yourself and quit trying to harm others!

[URL]https://time.com/5590602/generic-drugs-quality-risk/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/books/review/bottle-of-lies-katherine-eban.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/opinion/drug-market-prescription-generic.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2666092]One of my fave news channels. The host is so thoughtful and is often skeptical of government propaganda. Like all good journalists should be and once were.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.aol.com/finance/think-covid-19-vaccines-well-155855143.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2667521]Please anyone reading this don't take medical advice from some fool on a sex forum named Husker Dude that states "I have a pharmaceutical background."

I learned this from a friend that is a Mexican pharmacist that owns his own farmacia after I went to him for antibiotics, he told me, unequivocally.

Do not buy Mexican medicine, it is not very good (none of it), as he hung his head in shame.

He told me get to the border and into the USA to get what I need but whatever you do "Do not buy Mexican medicine."

What next you're going to tell people to get chemotherapy and brain surgery in the 3rd world because its cheaper? But just as good, no wait its even better, right.

Keep your reckless foolishness to yourself and quit trying to harm others!

[URL]https://time.com/5590602/generic-drugs-quality-risk/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/books/review/bottle-of-lies-katherine-eban.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/opinion/drug-market-prescription-generic.html[/URL][/QUOTE]What is your medical or pharmaceutical background? Jajaja I have a pharmacist license.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2667521]Please anyone reading this don't take medical advice from some fool on a sex forum named Husker Dude that states "I have a pharmaceutical background."

I learned this from a friend that is a Mexican pharmacist that owns his own farmacia after I went to him for antibiotics, he told me, unequivocally.

Do not buy Mexican medicine, it is not very good (none of it), as he hung his head in shame.

He told me get to the border and into the USA to get what I need but whatever you do "Do not buy Mexican medicine."

What next you're going to tell people to get chemotherapy and brain surgery in the 3rd world because its cheaper? But just as good, no wait its even better, right.

Keep your reckless foolishness to yourself and quit trying to harm others!

[URL]https://time.com/5590602/generic-drugs-quality-risk/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/books/review/bottle-of-lies-katherine-eban.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/opinion/drug-market-prescription-generic.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I can vouch for Husker Dude. He is an honest broker. Why does every informative post on this board have to be considered bait for a pointless argument??

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2667521]Please anyone reading this don't take medical advice from some fool on a sex forum named Husker Dude that states "I have a pharmaceutical background."

I learned this from a friend that is a Mexican pharmacist that owns his own farmacia after I went to him for antibiotics, he told me, unequivocally.

Do not buy Mexican medicine, it is not very good (none of it), as he hung his head in shame.

He told me get to the border and into the USA to get what I need but whatever you do "Do not buy Mexican medicine."

What next you're going to tell people to get chemotherapy and brain surgery in the 3rd world because its cheaper? But just as good, no wait its even better, right.

Keep your reckless foolishness to yourself and quit trying to harm others!

[URL]https://time.com/5590602/generic-drugs-quality-risk/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/books/review/bottle-of-lies-katherine-eban.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/opinion/drug-market-prescription-generic.html[/URL][/QUOTE]This has to be the biggest load of crap I've ever read. You probably work for an American pharma company. Medications in Mexico and Colombia are just as good as their US counterparts. They have government agencies that control the manufacturing processes of pharmaceuticals just like in the US. They are tested for safety and effectiveness before they ever hit the market. I've been using mexican and colombian sildenafil for years and it works just the same as the viagra sold in the US. Get off of ISG with your big pharma propaganda bro!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2667509]Obviously, you feel badly about something. Did someone cancel a lunch date or your favorite 60 year old ho double her rates from 5 k to 10 k? Something got into you today where you are looking for a fight.

Taxis have meters? Bitching about people not knowing how to use apps? WTF? Oozing papaya? FL had it right. Look in the mirror douche.

So it really was not about scaring board members away from the "honest" taxi drivers of Medellin but a personal attack? Gee, that is a shocker.

You are just a Democratic douche attacking someone he perceives to be a Republican. You showed that when you praised JJBee when he was spreading the virus and chastised others like me.[/QUOTE]I couldn't care less about your politics. I do object to your holding yourself out as an expert in everything: CoVid management, Legal proceedings, Taxi rip-offs, Dating Apps, etc etc etc. I think by now, almost everyone knows not to trust anything you say without verification.

I am not surprised that you don't know how to use the InDriver app. It is pretty advanced. Afterall a bunch of old expats use it easily and so do a majority of outcall hookers here in Medellin and Bogota.

As to JjBee, I know him and while we don't always agree, he has spent time in Medellin and tries to help people and his opinions are supported by legitimate sources. He doesn't report the latest unsupported blog and call it definitive analysis. In other words, he is a hell of a lot smarter than you.

BTW I thought I was blocked. But here you are responding to one of my posts. I guess telling the truth has never been easy for you.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2667680]I can vouch for Husker Dude. He is an honest broker. Why does every informative post on this board have to be considered bait for a pointless argument??[/QUOTE]It really does make these boards less valuable. I, for one, have been guilty. I have strong feelings on Covid mitigation efforts. And it is hard for me to let what I feel is misinformation stand unchallenged. But this is a great post and a great point. I don't know personally know anyone on these boards. So why the hell would I take pharmaceutical advice from someone? Either Husker Dude or Marquise!

The value of these boards is when we share our experiences. There is no value in sharing opinions on many of these topics. I think two things are at play.

1. Some have this fantasy or need to be king of a hooker board. They want people to know that they know everything.

2. There are some that truly believe their experience is the only experience. The only certainty I've found in this hobby is ymmv. We all have different types we like. We all have different desires, kinks or preferences. So experiences differ. We're better when we share our experiences vs telling others that they are wrong. It's just about perspective. We're better informed from more experiences, not less.

Rant over. And I don't intend my comments to be personal to anyone. As I said, I'm guilty too. I'm in hooker boards anonymous now. LOL I'm trying to stick more towards experience, less about opinion.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2667680]I can vouch for Husker Dude. He is an honest broker. Why does every informative post on this board have to be considered bait for a pointless argument??[/QUOTE]Because good information is threatening to the trolls. They can't provide good information, because they have no first hand experience. They can only take things from other posts and pretend to be the original author.

Fortunately, the trolls are easy to spot. They always have "a friend" who is either an expert, or should have a qualified opinion. They always have a link to a blog, or a news story which doesn't apply, or even a book review.

Consider the troll in question. He's famously stated that Colombian beef has too high of a fat content and he prefers women from southeast Asia because they have the nicest asses.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2667669]What is your medical or pharmaceutical background? Jajaja I have a pharmacist license.[/QUOTE]So you're lying or you're telling the truth about a license in either case, you're a fool.

So ask your physician.

[URL]https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/hospital-pharmacist-sentenced-attempt-spoil-hundreds-covid-vaccine-doses[/URL]

[URL]https://www.oxygen.com/license-to-kill/crime-news/pharmacist-robert-courtney-confesses-diluting-cancer-medication[/URL]

BTW if you don't like the message don't blame the messenger, ask your physician.

And no my physician doesn't get kickbacks on scripts written, it states that right on his website!!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2667693]Haha, that made me chuckle. Yep, a peanut seller will earn peanuts. I think guys that think a pretty girl deserves a sunstantial amount of money for having sex, must have lived lives in places where women use the act of sex to control them. Bcos last time I looked, sex is actually free if you can find a girl. So paying a small but adequte sum of money for a service that is natiural and easily obtainable, seems very reasonable to me.[/QUOTE]A peanut seller doesn't earn peanuts. They sell peanuts. They have no need to earn peanuts, because they already have more peanuts than they can eat.

Rant follows.

1. What's a substantial amount of money? Put a dollar amount, or peso amount on it. I'll spend $50-$100 without giving it a thought, for food, for sex, for some gadget that I think is neat, or on a present for someone. If I'm out shopping and see a shirt I really like, I don't look at the price, I look for one in my size. I don't pass it by because I can get a shirt for $3 in some other store.

2. Is there no difference between girls? Are they all basically identical? If that's the case, why pay anything at all? I can go anywhere and find women who will fuck me for free, do my laundry, feed me and allow me to stay with them free of charge. If that 45 year old 250# woman is no different than an 18-25 year old woman who is in fantastic shape, why leave home, pay for airfare, pay for lodging, pay for food and pay for sex?

3. What is a small and reasonable sum? Again, put it in dollars or pesos. I can pay $7 a night to stay in a hostal in Medellin. I can pay $25-$35 to stay in a reasonable hotel or apartment. I can pay $75-$250 to stay in a luxury penthouse (I could pay more, but I seldom have sufficient reason). Are the 3 options identical? For many of the guys here each one has options which are reasonable.

This is the mistake people keep making. They think the guy who pays $35 to stay in a place like San Peter apartments is getting a bed in a shared bunk room at a $7 hostal. They think the guy spending 150 k on dinner and drinks in Provenza is getting the 8 k menu of the day at some El Centro restaurant. They think that spending 30 minutes with an average street girl who is already on her 5th customer for 30 k is the exact same experience as spending 200 k for 2 hours with a clean, toned girl, who sees less customers in a week than that street girl sees in a day.

Does that carry over to everything else in life? Do you also believe there's no difference between a new Bentley and an old Fiat? Is living in a 43 room mansion the same as sleeping on the floor of a shared loft, where 6 people have to take turns to use the one bathroom? After all, cars and places to live are everywhere. Is everyone who doesn't live in the cheapest place and drive the cheapest car a fool? Do they live in places where the auto and real estate industries control them?

I'm not criticizing the guys who go to El Centro because that's the experience they enjoy. I completely understand. I would rather sit in a seedy little dive bar than in a fancy night club. I respect that you know what appeals to you and you seek it out.

I'm not criticizing the guys who have a limited budget and are trying to make the most of it. I've been there and I know about making tough choices to stretch your money.

I'm just sick of the guys trying to sell the insane belief that all women are exactly the same, that all sex is exactly the same and that anyone who doesn't limit themselves to what they do is being foolish.

If you are happy with what you're doing, enjoy it. Go fucking nuts (except not peanuts because they aren't really nuts). It's your life, you get to make the decisions.

But if all you can do is to insult anyone who does things differently, who spends more money, or spends their money on other things, do us all a favor and go fuck yourself. There's nothing useful in a post that says all women are the same and all sex is the same. Frankly, I'm amazed and disgusted that there are people who haven't noticed any difference.

Rant over.

I'll give the same advice I've been giving for years. Find what suits you and do that. Stay where you want, screw who you want and spend what you want. You're not answerable to anyone else on ISG.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667487]Really? For 2 weeks you've been yapping like a little puppy about me having lunch with people and then mention you won't be having lunch with "dudes" and it's not a candy ass remark from some broke ass bitchboy? Uh-huh.[/QUOTE]He cares about how much mongers are paying for sex. Now he cares about who mongers hang out with in Medellin during their free time. Sounds like he needs to mind his own business.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2667509]You are just a Democratic douche attacking someone he perceives to be a Republican. You showed that when you praised JJBee when he was spreading the virus and chastised others like me.[/QUOTE]Damn. I'm more popular here than I was in high school. Seems like nobody can post without mentioning me. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

Let's just settle this. I would say man to man, but that would be holding you to an unrealistic standard. Let's stick with man to silly and pathetic little idiot.

You made the claim that I was spreading the virus. I believe you said I was spreading it all over the continent. Let's forget about your earlier claims that quarantines, social distancing and masks were completely useless. Because if we considered that it would immediately show how incredibly fucking stupid you are. Takes all the fun out of it.

Think about it. If quarantines are useless, then pretending that I didn't quarantine when you think I knew I was contagious isn't worth mentioning. It would would be downright idiotic for you to claim I did something wrong by not doing something you had already stated served no purpose. Okay, it was downright idiotic, but we're going to briefly pretend it wasn't.

As I've mentioned before, at least 5 people have posted on the Colombian board that they did not quarantine after testing positive for Covid. One person even went as far as to report that he flew to Tijuana and walked across the border because he couldn't pass the negative test required to enter the US.

Refresh my memory you sniveling little scrotal wart. How many of those people did you accuse of spreading the virus? Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I believe the number was somewhere between zero and zero. Let that soak in for a second.

One person, even though I posted about my night in the ER and not even such an authority on my health as you, commented that I probably had Covid, 2 weeks later tested positive for Covid, immediately went into quarantine, and you claimed that all my doctors and I knew I had Covid and I had deliberately exposed others to it. Meanwhile, 5 people said they had Covid and didn't quarantine, with one going into detail how he avoided the restriction against flying after testing positive and not a single fucking word from you.

Does that seem somewhat inconsistent to you? Don't get me wrong. If I had done what you claimed I had done, I certainly would have deserved to be called out for it. No question. However, when 5 others publicly declare they have done the same thing, or worse than what you believe I should be crucified for and you don't even suggest they shouldn't have done it, there's only one possible conclusion:

You're a bitchy little, passive-aggressive, butt hurt, sack of shit with the cognitive ability of Chlamydia.

My apologies for disparaging Chlamydia.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2667789]Now he cares about who mongers hang out with in Medellin during their free time. Sounds like he needs to mind his own business.[/QUOTE]Of course I care about someone admittedly infected with Covid getting on a plane to Bogota and hanging out in Medellin spreading a communicable disease around. I guess it does not become your business until you get it from whoever he gave it to or maybe from the Covid King himself. You must be a new recruit into the club. Did they already get to you? Break the spell dude.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667858]Of course I care about someone admittedly infected with Covid getting on a plane to Bogota and hanging out in Medellin spreading a communicable disease around. I guess it does not become your business until you get it from whoever he gave it to or maybe from the Covid King himself. You must be a new recruit into the club. Did they already get to you? Break the spell dude.[/QUOTE]Just trying to keep up with this, where did he ever say he knew he was infected before getting on plane,? Did I miss part of some of this?

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2667789]He cares about how much mongers are paying for sex. Now he cares about who mongers hang out with in Medellin during their free time. Sounds like he needs to mind his own business.[/QUOTE]There's a very obvious pattern if you pay attention.

When he talks about the places he stays, he focuses on how cheap it is. When he talks about women it's about how little he spends. Even with taxis, it's always about paying less.

When he criticizes people it's because they stay in Poblado instead of a cheap place in El Centro. He attacks them for spending more than he does for girls. If they spend money on a girl beyond simply paying for sex, he jumps on that.

The people he agrees with are those who insist that all women are exactly the same, so there's no reason to pay more for someone younger, prettier and in better shape.

Follow that logic for just a moment. There's no difference between the greeter at Walmart who is too fat and too out of shape to stand for 5 minutes and a supermodel. There's no difference between an 18 year old cheerleader and an 80 year old great grandmother. It gets crazier. There's no difference between fucking a corpse and fucking a girl who leaves you wondering if you'll ever be able to walk again. I think most of us are well aware that is all bullshit, but that's what you're supposed to believe.

What does all of that tell you? To me it's a classic example of someone who is struggling to afford their lifestyle. He keeps trying to convince everyone that always going with the cheapest option is better than paying to have the experiences which appeal to you. We're all supposed to believe there's no difference between a 5 star hotel and a 1 star hotel.

There's no shame in being poor. Most of the women we're dealing with are poor. Except for the help of friends, 3 times in my life I would have ended up homeless. It's only been in the last 10 years when I've been able to afford to do the things which matter to me. And there's no shame in not being able to afford what other people can afford. We all have different circumstances which affect our lives.

The shame is in being jealous of what others have and trying to convince them they don't deserve it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667858]Of course I care about someone admittedly infected with Covid getting on a plane to Bogota and hanging out in Medellin spreading a communicable disease around. I guess it does not become your business until you get it from whoever he gave it to or maybe from the Covid King himself. You must be a new recruit into the club. Did they already get to you? Break the spell dude.[/QUOTE]You lost me there. Are you talking about me? Granted, I admitted, after I was tested in Bogota (2 days after leaving Medellin), that I had tested positive. And, as I've already shown, by quoting your own post, after the fact I concluded that I had probably been infected before I flew to Colombia. Granted, it's understandable that someone who believes that all sex is exactly the same and no skills are involved, wouldn't understand the difference between testing positive and coming down with Covid symptoms is no different than not getting tested and not having any Covid symptoms. However, just like there's a difference between a chunky, out of shape 35 year old woman with at best an average face, and an 18 year old woman with a superior body, face and fitness level, there's also a difference between having no indication of Covid and testing positive for Covid.

In conclusion, you must not be talking about me. The only question is, who are you talking about? Are you talking about the 2 people who posted in the Bogota thread that they had Covid and continued with their business, including 1 who lives in Bogota and gives Santa Fe tours? Or are you talking about the person, who is quite well known for his jacuzzi threesomes and the pictures of those threesomes, who tested positive and asked whether or not he should quarantine?

Maybe you're thinking about the guy in Cartagena who tested positive and kept on seeing girls, even though at one point he could barely breath?

Perhaps you're talking about my favorite, although I can't remember whether he was in Medellin or Cartagena. You know who I'm talking about. He's the guy who tested positive, and instead of quarantining, flew through Mexico City to Tijuana, then walked across the border and got on another plane in San Diego to avoid the requirement for a negative test prior to return to the US. Not only did he knowingly put others at risk, but he posted about how everyone could fly back to the US while contagious.

So which one are you talking about? And why haven't you mentioned any of them?

Even if you are talking about me, which isn't possible unless you're insane, why would you be worried? You have posted a few times trying to convince everyone that the only people who can get Covid are people who aren't vaccinated (which provides a lot of support for your insanity defense. After all, how can you explain all those Covid cases before there were any vaccines).

Please continue with the ravings of a broke ass lunatic. If they're entertaining enough I'll send you some money so you don't have to sleep with the roaches and fuck senior citizens.

While it is possible to sell pussy with no skills, hell there are trannies out there selling pussy without having a pussy to sell, there are a lot of skills nobody ever considers.

1. The skill of looking at an old, fat, ugly customer and telling him how handsome he is.

2. The skill of looking at a sad little penis that looks like it belongs on a Chihuahua and convincing the guy it's the biggest she's ever seen.

3. The skill of not gagging over bad breath or nasty body odor.

4. The skill of convincing the customer that she's having the time of her life.

I've met quite a few mongers and not many are in the running for sexiest man alive. Yet most of the girls treat us like royalty.

Try that some time. Go out to a dive bar. Find a 60 year old woman with a body that rates a -46 on the 1-10 scale. Pick one whose face looks like she took a face plant into the deep fat fryer. While you're at it, look for the greasy hair that hasn't been washed in 6 months, which goes well with the green teeth (all 7 of them). Go right ahead and convince her that she's beautiful, then take her home (to her place. If she gets in your place you might need a crane to get her out), and go to town on her. Eat that pussy and don't mind the stink. Stick your tongue down her throat. Fuck her, roll her over and fuck her again.

Fantastic & hilarious & oh so true post! Occasionally for laughs I tell a chica that I need "una buena actriz" to take care of me. They of course say no acting needed but we know the truth! Yeah, these girls who usually have sex with hot 19 yr old Colombianos are now banging an unhot 60 yr old gringo. It ain't ez!

[QUOTE=Shemp;2667920]While it is possible to sell pussy with no skills, hell there are trannies out there selling pussy without having a pussy to sell, there are a lot of skills nobody ever considers.

1. The skill of looking at an old, fat, ugly customer and telling him how handsome he is.

2. The skill of looking at a sad little penis that looks like it belongs on a Chihuahua and convincing the guy it's the biggest she's ever seen.

3. The skill of not gagging over bad breath or nasty body odor.

4. The skill of convincing the customer that she's having the time of her life.

I've met quite a few mongers and not many are in the running for sexiest man alive. Yet most of the girls treat us like royalty.

Try that some time. Go out to a dive bar. Find a 60 year old woman with a body that rates a -46 on the 1-10 scale. Pick one whose face looks like she took a face plant into the deep fat fryer. While you're at it, look for the greasy hair that hasn't been washed in 6 months, which goes well with the green teeth (all 7 of them). Go right ahead and convince her that she's beautiful, then take her home (to her place. If she gets in your place you might need a crane to get her out), and go to town on her. Eat that pussy and don't mind the stink. Stick your tongue down her throat. Fuck her, roll her over and fuck her again.[/QUOTE]Nailed it. I'll add that if skill was a non-factor, then the fittest, prettiest girls sellin' it would always make the most money, but observation reveals that this is not the case.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667781]A peanut seller doesn't earn peanuts. They sell peanuts. They have no need to earn peanuts, because they already have more peanuts than they can eat.

Rant follows.

1. What's a substantial amount of money? Put a dollar amount, or peso amount on it. I'll spend $50-$100 without giving it a thought, for food, for sex, for some gadget that I think is neat, or on a present for someone. If I'm out shopping and see a shirt I really like, I don't look at the price, I look for one in my size. I don't pass it by because I can get a shirt for $3 in some other store.

2. Is there no difference between girls? Are they all basically identical? If that's the case, why pay anything at all? I can go anywhere and find women who will fuck me for free, do my laundry, feed me and allow me to stay with them free of charge. If that 45 year old 250# woman is no different than an 18-25 year old woman who is in fantastic shape, why leave home, pay for airfare, pay for lodging, pay for food and pay for sex?.[/QUOTE]He wins, he is better at us at banging Colombian hookers.

I personally never recommend a wise (or any) course of action to internet mongers because their presence increases the probability that prices will increase and the expected value for the number of dicks a given girl at my favorite spot has had in her already. This doesn't require years of research, and thinking of it as anything other than recreation is madness. That being said I hope you all have as much fun as I do fucking these girls.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667792]Let's just settle this. I would say man to man, but that would be holding you to an unrealistic standard. Let's stick with man to silly and pathetic little idiot.[/QUOTE]Nah, let's stick with man and two Democratic douches. I do not consider you and Villainy men because if I want to know what you two think I will watch MSNBC.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667792]Let's forget about your earlier claims that quarantines, social distancing and masks were completely useless.[/QUOTE]See what I mean about you being a douche? This is not an opinion based on data. It is you fawning over the liberal media. That is why you are not a man. But I am not going to debate it. It is obvious to me that you do not know what the fuck you are talking about, and Covid is done.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667792]As I've mentioned before, at least 5 people have posted on the Colombian board that they did not quarantine after testing positive for Covid. One person even went as far as to report that he flew to Tijuana and walked across the border because he couldn't pass the negative test required to enter the US.[/QUOTE]None of them bragged about how they had the answer to Covid like you did. Hell, I even called myself stupid going into a strip club and banging a chick who lost her taste and smell was stupid. Got that? They were at risk events. No one was perfect, but there is a difference between not being perfect and defending stupid.

I am not even going to debate you on what you did in Florida and Colombia were stupid. There is nothing new there.

What I was actually talking about was Villainy praising you and putting me down. I don't even care about the praise. It is the next line that got me. I wonder if Elvis and others would have done that? That is where Villainy lost credibility. He can deny he is a Democratic douche all he wants, but that clinched it for me.

When Villainy stupidly said that he was protected when he had lunch with you because he was vaccinated, did you correct him and say you got Covid when vaccinated? Of course not. He is a fellow douche, and you are going to protect him no matter how stupid he is.

And then when it came to his ridiculous claim that Medellin cab drivers do not rip people off, did you correct him then? Nope.

Hell, Paulie came out and said there were sides, and he thought it was Democrats versus Republicans but it was really Democrats versus people who think independently.

One of the things I cannot stand about the elites is they are always saying you have to sacrifice but not them. Al Gore can preach environmental concerns while on a private jet and you douches give him a pass. Hell, you sign up for the cause and say "Yes, we care more about the environment than you. " That is virtue signaling, and you douches do it all the time.

Villainy was not helping members of the forum about cabs. He was being an asshole and attacking me.

And the same goes for you and masks. You are wrong on masks, Elvis. Uh okay. I asked you a question: were you wearing a mask when you got infected by your brother? You did not answer, so I am going to say you were not.

I do not find fault with your not wearing a mask and saying you believe in mask mandates is typical but saying you believe in mask mandates when you got infected while not wearing one means you are a hypocritical moron.

You are so warped in the head you do not even get the mask debate. There is a huge difference between mask wearing when outside in public and wearing them around people known to be sick. But obviously to you and the rest of the virtue signaling douches, there is none. It is "I believe in masks, and that means, I am better than you."

[QUOTE=Shemp;2667920]Pick one whose face looks like she took a face plant into the deep fat fryer. While you're at it, look for the greasy hair that hasn't been washed in 6 months, which goes well with the green teeth (all 7 of them). Go right ahead and convince her that she's beautiful, then take her home (to her place. If she gets in your place you might need a crane to get her out), and go to town on her. Eat that pussy and don't mind the stink. Stick your tongue down her throat. Fuck her, roll her over and fuck her again.
[/QUOTE]I didn't realise that you had met me? Haha, funny post, albiet with quite a bit of fallacious reasoning.

Have you thoought about other so called distasteful jobs. Slaughterhouse worker, meat packer, street cleaner, rubbish tip worker, OAP nurse, many others. None of these are well paid either. But plenty find job satisfaction.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2667824]I have bought fake Cialis from a farmacia in Tijuana it was in a box with the logo on the tinfoil blister pak, everything was printed with Cialis like the real thing, also with the hologram sticker seal.

Those pills are around 90 usd in USA.

I paid 5 usd each, you can't buy legit brand name Cialis 20 MG for 5 usd in Tijuana they were knockoffs and did nothing for me, but steal my money.

Hopefully no toxic ingredients.[/QUOTE]Who knows. Maybe after you hit puberty you won't have the problem.

Weren't you in the pack of conspiracy theorists that claimed the 'CoVid vaccine' was prematurely approved by the FDA and was ineffective? But now you claim the FDA does a superior job testing and validating prescription drugs manufactured outside the US? Can't seem to make up your mind? Or are you just a hypocrite? (Ask your sixth grade teacher to tell you what that means).

Thats funny. But true.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2667920]While it is possible to sell pussy with no skills, hell there are trannies out there selling pussy without having a pussy to sell, there are a lot of skills nobody ever considers.

1. The skill of looking at an old, fat, ugly customer and telling him how handsome he is.

2. The skill of looking at a sad little penis that looks like it belongs on a Chihuahua and convincing the guy it's the biggest she's ever seen.

3. The skill of not gagging over bad breath or nasty body odor.

4. The skill of convincing the customer that she's having the time of her life.

I've met quite a few mongers and not many are in the running for sexiest man alive. Yet most of the girls treat us like royalty.

Try that some time. Go out to a dive bar. Find a 60 year old woman with a body that rates a -46 on the 1-10 scale. Pick one whose face looks like she took a face plant into the deep fat fryer. While you're at it, look for the greasy hair that hasn't been washed in 6 months, which goes well with the green teeth (all 7 of them). Go right ahead and convince her that she's beautiful, then take her home (to her place. If she gets in your place you might need a crane to get her out), and go to town on her. Eat that pussy and don't mind the stink. Stick your tongue down her throat. Fuck her, roll her over and fuck her again.

Fantastic & hilarious & oh so true post! Occasionally for laughs I tell a chica that I need "una buena actriz" to take care of me. They of course say no acting needed but we know the truth! Yeah, these girls who usually have sex with hot 19 yr old Colombianos are now banging an unhot 60 yr old gringo. It ain't ez![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shemp;2667920]Fantastic & hilarious & oh so true post! Occasionally for laughs I tell a chica that I need "una buena actriz" to take care of me. They of course say no acting needed but we know the truth! Yeah, these girls who usually have sex with hot 19 yr old Colombianos are now banging an unhot 60 yr old gringo. It ain't ez![/QUOTE]I can kind of see where you are coming from. You are talking as if every monger is the most vile disgusting human ever so they should be paid maximum maximum. I am basing my opinion that most mongers are regular ordinary guys so why should a premium need to be paid for a chick that is probably doing this job because she can not do anything else.

That is where price discrimination comes into play. If person A is normal or the hot 19 year old you are talking about then they can be charged a normal rate. If person be is horrendous then they can be charged 3 times more. But of course this type of pricing would only be done with a freelancer, who by the way is not forced into anything and can say you are so ugly that a dog would not sleep with you and go about her way instead of fucking you at all.

How do you explain casas and the like where the hot 19 year old pays the exact same cheap rate as the horrible looking 60 year old? Why don't those chicks ever go on strike and demand more payment if the guy is over 25 and out of shape? And in those places mongers pay the same for the best looking chick as they do the worst looking chick.

It seems many mongers have more reasons why the hookers should make more than the hookers that actually have to do the job have.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2668079]I can kind of see where you are coming from. You are talking as if every monger is the most vile disgusting human ever so they should be paid maximum maximum. I am basing my opinion that most mongers are regular ordinary guys so why should a premium need to be paid for a chick that is probably doing this job because she can not do anything else.

That is where price discrimination comes into play. If person A is normal or the hot 19 year old you are talking about then they can be charged a normal rate. If person be is horrendous then they can be charged 3 times more. But of course this type of pricing would only be done with a freelancer, who by the way is not forced into anything and can say you are so ugly that a dog would not sleep with you and go about her way instead of fucking you at all.

How do you explain casas and the like where the hot 19 year old pays the exact same cheap rate as the horrible looking 60 year old? Why don't those chicks ever go on strike and demand more payment if the guy is over 25 and out of shape? And in those places mongers pay the same for the best looking chick as they do the worst looking chick..[/QUOTE]Most of the answers to the all vitriol on this forum, why "pay more if you don't have to."

They pay more because they have to! You know it, I know it, they know it, everyone knows it.

But they prefer to call you a broke ass monger and themselves "ballers" LOL.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2667920]Try that some time. Go out to a dive bar. Find a 60 year old woman with a body that rates a -46 on the 1-10 scale. Pick one whose face looks like she took a face plant into the deep fat fryer. While you're at it, look for the greasy hair that hasn't been washed in 6 months, which goes well with the green teeth (all 7 of them). Go right ahead and convince her that she's beautiful, then take her home (to her place. If she gets in your place you might need a crane to get her out), and go to town on her. Eat that pussy and don't mind the stink. Stick your tongue down her throat. Fuck her, roll her over and fuck her again.[/QUOTE]Are you describing yourself?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2668050]Thats funny. But true.[/QUOTE]Just a quick note to point out that a number of you have been commenting on a post by BM Shemp which was actually drafted by JjBee62, but which Shemp (I assume unintentionally) included in his post without putting it in the usual QUOTE box. Speaking as a certified geezer myself, I found JjBee62 observations to be both amusing and tellingly on target. As a a parenthetical addendum, let me add that not only am I amazed at the ability / willingness of many if not most of the wg chicas here to weave the GFE illusion, but, even more incredibly, am astounded by those girls, who, when between the sheets with a guy 50-60 years their senior (old enough to be their great-grandfather), can actually get the juices flowing in copious quantities and reach the climatic Big-O.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2668039]Who knows. Maybe after you hit puberty you won't have the problem.

Weren't you in the pack of conspiracy theorists that claimed the 'CoVid vaccine' was prematurely approved by the FDA and was ineffective? But now you claim the FDA does a superior job testing and validating prescription drugs manufactured outside the US? Can't seem to make up your mind? Or are you just a hypocrite? (Ask your sixth grade teacher to tell you what that means).[/QUOTE]Read my posts I was probably one of the 1st people in the world vaxxed, I was one of the 1st that recd the Moderna vax in its trial at the you of Chicago around Labor Day 2020.

Now wipe the diarrhea off your mouth and keep it closed!

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2668128]Just a quick note to point out that a number of you have been commenting on a post by BM Shemp which was actually drafted by JjBee62[/QUOTE]Ah, that would explain the fallacious reasoning.

WRT girls enjoying it, surely that's further proof that's it not such a traumatic job. In any case, all they need is close close their eyes or ask for doggy, and they can imagine you are anyone they want you to be.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2668079]I can kind of see where you are coming from. You are talking as if every monger is the most vile disgusting human ever so they should be paid maximum maximum. I am basing my opinion that most mongers are regular ordinary guys so why should a premium need to be paid for a chick that is probably doing this job because she can not do anything else.

That is where price discrimination comes into play. If person A is normal or the hot 19 year old you are talking about then they can be charged a normal rate. If person be is horrendous then they can be charged 3 times more. But of course this type of pricing would only be done with a freelancer, who by the way is not forced into anything and can say you are so ugly that a dog would not sleep with you and go about her way instead of fucking you at all.

How do you explain casas and the like where the hot 19 year old pays the exact same cheap rate as the horrible looking 60 year old? Why don't those chicks ever go on strike and demand more payment if the guy is over 25 and out of shape? And in those places mongers pay the same for the best looking chick as they do the worst looking chick.

It seems many mongers have more reasons why the hookers should make more than the hookers that actually have to do the job have.[/QUOTE]Not even close. But it does at least give a chance to use your McDonald's analogy in a way that makes sense.

But first, nobody said every monger is vile and disgusting. However, anyone with any experience is well aware that mongers come in all shapes, sizes and ages, and there are some who could improve their hygiene.

At McDonald's it doesn't matter who the customer is, everyone gets what's on the menu for the price on the menu. Sometimes you get a burger with extra grease, sometimes the fries are cold, but you get the same basic choices for the same price.

Same thing with a casa. Occasionally you'll find a girl there who looks too good to be there, but usually you're looking at a bunch of average girls and trying to decide if one is better than the rest. Just like at McDonald's, the girls at a casa don't get to set the base price. The only flexibility they have is to charge extra for extra services. The same as McDonald's will charge extra for cheese, or larger orders of fries, or a bunch of extra sauce for your McNuggets.

As for the hot 19 year old, she probably isn't staying long at the casa, the same as the culinary arts student isn't staying at McDonald's after he finishes schooling. Both are doing what they must until they have better options.

Let me explain about a type of force which you're quite familiar with, Economic Pressure. That's where you're forced to do things you might not like because your financial situation won't let you change. It's why some mongers will only stay in the cheapest hotels and pay for the cheapest girls. It's why many people continue with a job they hate. It's why most of the girls get into prostitution in the first place. At least in Colombia, it's not because they can't do anything else. It's because nothing else is available.

It's a very simple equation. If the prostitute doesn't fuck, the prostitute doesn't get paid. If she regularly finds herself with plenty of customers to choose from, which sometimes happens at a casa, she can choose which customer she wants, or she can influence which customer chooses her. I'm sure others have noticed it as well.

However, when customers are few and far between, and the rent is due, there's no food in the house and her kid needs medicine, her choices are limited. She takes what she can get from whoever is offering.

That's where the various types of mongers comes into play. If she starts making comments about how disgusting you are, about your weight, age, or anything else, her chance of getting paid goes down. Instead she smiles, rubs on you and feeds your ego and once she has her money, she goes away.

As for why all girls shouldn't be paid the lowest possible rate, I've explained that several times and in several ways. I don't know if it's possible to further simplify it, but I'll try.

If you walk down the south side of the Veracruz church you'll see, in no particular order, a few women who look to be in their 40's and 50's, out of shape and overweight. You'll see a few trannies. You'll see maybe a couple of reasonably attractive young girls. You might see one or 2 who look too young. You might see one or two who look to be unwashed. When you get to the corner, you'll see more women of varying ages, sizes and attractiveness. Head north and you'll see more girls, some decent, some not so decent and some who are downright scary. You might get lucky and see one or two looking damn fine. Remember all of them for a moment.

If you get on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter or many other sites you'll find the same mix. Some look fantastic, some look bleh. Many of them have other jobs, some have jobs that pay quite well.

If I can borrow someone's 1-10 scale for just a moment, if you spend enough time looking you can find women for each number, no matter how you rate them. If you're being honest you'll notice that the overall average in El Centro is quite a bit lower than the online average, based solely on appearance.

So why wouldn't someone who is more attractive, cleaner and better educated be able to earn more? I don't know if she's still around, but there used to be a one legged, toothless woman who hung out across the street behind the church. Are you saying she should be paid the same as the hottest girl working that street?

How about the women who frequently travel to Europe, working as models? Should they only get the same amount as Hopalong Gummy?

As I've said before the same thing applies universally. People who are better suited for their profession usually get paid more.

Can we get back to enjoying the hobby instead of is ridiculous arguments about whether the girls enjoy it or if they're overpaid or if its good or bad job. Who the fuck cares,? It's a hobby enjoy it or find something else to do.

Amen, I mean what the fuck is going on in this thread. Moderator, can't this please be moved to some other thread dedicated to gripes and off topic bickering.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2668194]Can we get back to enjoying the hobby instead of is ridiculous arguments about whether the girls enjoy it or if they're overpaid or if its good or bad job. Who the fuck cares,? It's a hobby enjoy it or find something else to do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2668141]Read my posts I was probably one of the 1st people in the world vaxxed, I was one of the 1st that recd the Moderna vax in its trial at the you of Chicago around Labor Day 2020.

Now wipe the diarrhea off your mouth and keep it closed![/QUOTE]Except you were lying about that just like you've lied about all the places you've been. When you turn 18 you can get a passport but you still won't have a job, a life, or any money. If your dick were wood and your hand were sandpaper, you would be down to a toothpick.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2667669]What is your medical or pharmaceutical background? Jajaja I have a pharmacist license.[/QUOTE]Marquis's pharma background is just as credible as his mongering background. Bunch of copy / paste from articles / blogs LOL.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2668203]Except you were lying about that just like you've lied about all the places you've been. When you turn 18 you can get a passport but you still won't have a job, a life, or any money. If your dick were wood and your hand were sandpaper, you would be down to a toothpick.[/QUOTE]Lmfao, you're still a crazy weirdo.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2668113]Are you describing yourself?[/QUOTE]Obviously.

Its quite obvious that many of the men on here are ugly and pathetic. Just look at Paulie and G*yG*yBee coming on this site to seek contact with strange men. No friends having clown assholes.

[QUOTE=JonnyPokerStar;2667970]He wins, he is better at us at banging Colombian hookers.

I personally never recommend a wise (or any) course of action to internet mongers because their presence increases the probability that prices will increase and the expected value for the number of dicks a given girl at my favorite spot has had in her already. This doesn't require years of research, and thinking of it as anything other than recreation is madness. That being said I hope you all have as much fun as I do fucking these girls.[/QUOTE]I didn't know anyone was keeping score. Is there a trophy?

However, you're correct. I do win. Always. I win because I play the game my own way and accept the outcome without trying to blame others if the outcome isn't ideal.

I never worry about prices going up. Why would I? I'm not competing with a bunch of other guys to buy time with a handful of girls. On any given day I've got access to thousands of girls in Medellin. Whenever I post that I'm in town, I've got a line of women asking to see me.

That doesn't make me special in any way. I set things up so it works to my advantage. I've explained how to do it several times. It's quite simple.

Besides a price increase is meaningless to me. The first time I visited Colombia the exchange rate was 1900 to 1. For most of the past 2 years it's been 3800 to 1 or better. The price could double and my cost is unchanged. Add in that my income has more than doubled over the past 4 years. Paying $10 more isn't going to break me.

It is only recreation, but you don't seem to understand what that means. Let's use a type of recreation I used to enjoy; archery. Some people enjoy using a longbow, some use a recurve bow, some use a crossbow. I preferred a compound bow. Some like to hunt, some just enjoy target practice in the backyard, some compete in leagues, or in single competitions. Many involve themselves in several ways.

The point is, there are many different ways to engage in your preferred recreation. We're not all required to do it the same way, we're not all required to do it at the same frequency or to spend the same amount. My first bow I bought used for $50. My last bow had an $800 price tag. Nobody in my league complained I was driving up the price of bows.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2668203]Except you were lying about that just like you've lied about all the places you've been. When you turn 18 you can get a passport but you still won't have a job, a life, or any money. If your dick were wood and your hand were sandpaper, you would be down to a toothpick.[/QUOTE]Evidenced by the context of this post you have the IQ of a 3 yr old mental midget, well played DUM DUM.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2668194]Can we get back to enjoying the hobby instead of is ridiculous arguments about whether the girls enjoy it or if they're overpaid or if its good or bad job. Who the fuck cares,? It's a hobby enjoy it or find something else to do.[/QUOTE]Is someone stopping you from enjoying it? The posts on ISG are occasionally informative, sometimes entertaining and frequently just people bickering, but for most of us, reading and replying here has nothing to do with enjoying the hobby.

Are the arguments ridiculous? Only if you feel everyone is required to be attracted to the same girls, have the same experience and pay the same price. Otherwise those are valid questions.

Whether or not the girl is enjoying it is important to me. There are 3 possibilities. She is enjoying herself, she's putting on a believable act that she's enjoying it, or she's clearly not enjoying it.

The first one is obviously best, but the second is acceptable. If she's putting on a good act, then her desire to get paid is stronger than her desire to be somewhere else. But if she has no desire to be with me, I'm sending her home. Thirty years ago I might not have cared, if she was hot enough, but these days, there's nothing about that type of encounter which appeals to me.

I understand that some of the discussions cause people some discomfort. Most guys prefer to believe that the girls are all thrilled to have the opportunity to fuck us and get paid. Most guys prefer to imagine the hookers making a lot of money and retiring early with all their riches. Some go as far as saying that prostitution is no different than any other job.

It would be great if all those things were true, but they aren't. None of that needs to matter to you. It's easy to stick with the 3 F method: Find them, Fuck them, Forget them.

However, fully understanding something works in your favor. For example there are often long discussions about using ATMs. Villainy and others have written complete explanations about using ATMs in Colombia. By understanding the process many people can maximize their exchange rate and minimize fees.

Having an accurate understanding of the reality of prostitution can improve your experience and reduce your costs. Reducing cost is simple. Just find the cheapest girls and only pay them. This cuts your costs in 2 ways. You're paying less per girl and with a high risk of unappealing girls, unacceptable rooms and substandard service you might not be as interested in the hobby.

If that sounds like a win-win to you, read no further.

For me, better experiences are more important than saving a few dollars. If I can do both that's great.

People work to get paid. In that regard, prostitution is just another job. If you go no deeper, you're just another customer. You get the standard experience. But if you understand the negative aspects of the job and the other motivations, you can make a better connection and get a better experience. It's simple. Instead of being a bad customer, you can be a good customer.

The strange thing about understanding a situation to have a better experience is that everyone already knows it. It's something all of us started learning shortly after birth. It's something which is reinforced daily, but a few people still don't understand. People give examples on ISG all the time.

If you're staying in a building with security, are you more likely to have less problems bringing girls back if you tell at the porteros and tell them they better not cause you problems, or if you take a few minutes to get to know them and treat them nice? How about at a restaurant? Does being an asshole get you better service than being friendly?

I'll end with this. I don't remember having any bad experiences in the past 4 years and I don't believe I've had a girl arrive more than 45 minutes late. Over the same period I haven't had a single girl flake on me.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2668149]Ah, that would explain the fallacious reasoning.

WRT girls enjoying it, surely that's further proof that's it not such a traumatic job. In any case, all they need is close close their eyes or ask for doggy, and they can imagine you are anyone they want you to be.[/QUOTE]Do you never tire of being wrong?

It doesn't explain the fallacious reasoning, because you haven't established the existence of fallacious reasoning and that looks like a battle you can't win. Your first obstacle is to tell everyone who agreed with the post that they're wrong.

Speaking of fallacious reasoning, let's look at the example you were nice enough to provide.

Individual experiences do not determine overall trends. If 1 person enjoys going to the dentist is that proof everyone enjoys going to the dentist. If 1 person has a foot fetish is that proof that foot fetishes are universal? In simpler terms, if someone who hates their job has a day at work they enjoy is it proof they love their job?

Equally, if some prostitutes sometimes enjoy being with some customers, it doesn't even suggest that prostitution is not a traumatic profession.

Whether or not a job is traumatic can be measured. With respect to current events, is combat duty more traumatic than non-combat military service? How does it compare to other occupations? Compare suicide rates, likelihood of substance abuse, divorce rates, incidence of mental health issues and rates of depression and you get a clear answer. Do the same with prostitution. It's already been done and the answer is just as clear.

Unfortunately, that's the way that crazy science stuff works. Why accept the unqualified and biased opinion of some fool, when you can find a definitive answer?

Once again, I invite you to prove your claims to yourself and anyone else can also do this. You should have no trouble finding one of the old, overweight women who sell themselves in El Centro. Negotiate for her services and take her to a room. Once you're in the room, close your eyes and imagine she is anyone you want. While you're at it, imagine the short time rooms is a 5 star hotel.

Let me know how that works out.

Can anyone here explain how this makes any sense at all?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2668149] In any case, all they need is close close their eyes or ask for doggy, and they can imagine you are anyone they want you to be.[/QUOTE]In case you missed the context, he's discussing how working girls can handle being with guys who they find unattractive.

Anyone here can put that to the test, without even testing it.

Take a moment to think about a woman, in particular, a woman who you are not in any way attracted to. A long time ago my friends and I played a game called how many beers. It's somewhat heartless, but easy to play. Pick a woman and decide how many beers you would need to drink before you would fuck her. For this test pick somewhere between a 10 beer girl and death from alcohol poisoning.

Here's the difficult part. Imagine you're naked in bed with her. Now imagine, while in bed with the disgusting woman, that you are closing your eyes and pretending she's the most beautiful woman you've ever seen.

How successful do you think you would be at pretending she's some beauty queen?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668157] there used to be a one legged, toothless woman who hung out across the street behind the church. Are you saying she should be paid the same as the hottest girl working that street.[/QUOTE]I've bonked dwarves, grand mothers, mothers of ten. I have a friend who bonked a one legged German. The odd time I am with with American women, I always insist on fucking them up the tradesman's entrance before cumming on their fat faces. I find it odd they and similar "locals" over charge and under perform, like they are something special. The problem with being in the civilized world is Third Worlders quickly adapt to take the benefits. No more LBFMing from them.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2667920]While it is possible to sell pussy with no skills, hell there are trannies out there selling pussy without having a pussy to sell, there are a lot of skills nobody ever considers.

1. The skill of looking at an old, fat, ugly customer and telling him how handsome he is.

2. The skill of looking at a sad little penis that looks like it belongs on a Chihuahua and convincing the guy it's the biggest she's ever seen.

3. The skill of not gagging over bad breath or nasty body odor.

4. The skill of convincing the customer that she's having the time of her life.

I've met quite a few mongers and not many are in the running for sexiest man alive. Yet most of the girls treat us like royalty.

Try that some time. Go out to a dive bar. Find a 60 year old woman with a body that rates a -46 on the 1-10 scale. Pick one whose face looks like she took a face plant into the deep fat fryer. While you're at it, look for the greasy hair that hasn't been washed in 6 months, which goes well with the green teeth (all 7 of them). Go right ahead and convince her that she's beautiful, then take her home (to her place. If she gets in your place you might need a crane to get her out), and go to town on her. Eat that pussy and don't mind the stink. Stick your tongue down her throat. Fuck her, roll her over and fuck her again.[/QUOTE]Funny but mostly a fantasy. In the casas and strip clubs most do not go to all that effort but put something in the range of the least effort possible. It's routine, and even your young hunks that go there get the same service. Many Facebook girls are the same way unless they are eager for repeat business, some are, some aren't. At the end of the day for all of them it's a job.

P.S. The analogy of fucking an old greasy gringa doesn't work real well for the simple difference between male and female sexuality. Men need to produce wood, no easy task in such a situation. All the woman needs is a bottle of lube and open legs.

You say you want a mirror image of this thread? But this thread is for stupid shit, some of which is of use. Your gripe should be with moderating other non stupid shit threads. You should be asking that those other threads should be heavily pruned of stupid shit to increase their information to noise ratio. The stupid shit threads are an attempt to do what you ask.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2668198]Amen, I mean what the fuck is going on in this thread. Moderator, can't this please be moved to some other thread dedicated to gripes and off topic bickering.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2668198]Amen, I mean what the fuck is going on in this thread. Moderator, can't this please be moved to some other thread dedicated to gripes and off topic bickering.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. 70+% of posts fit the stupid half but have nothing to do with Medellin. Mostly name calling.

This is not an attack, it's a discussion. React however you wish, or ignore it. I'll probably survive.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2668513]Totally agree. 70+% of posts fit the stupid half but have nothing to do with Medellin. Mostly name calling.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the real world.

Have you ever had to sit through a meeting that lasted much longer than necessary because there's always someone who has to bring up unrelated topics? Ever been in a group conversation about some subject and had someone jump in with something completely different? How about the group conversation that someone won't let move to a different subject, because they only want to talk about one thing?

Online forums are no different. They never have been and never will be. I might get some of the details wrong because it's been 30 years and I don't feel like looking it up, but there was a famous battle over this back in the early 1990's. An immigration lawyer in Phoenix started flooding internet forums with ads for his services to help people get green cards. It didn't matter what the purpose of the forum was, he spammed them with his ads. It caused quite an uproar.

My favorite, or least favorite, example happened long ago. I was waiting at a public storage facility for a customer and had the laborer I was stuck with that day with me. An old Chinese man was sitting in the lobby, visiting his daughter, the owner. He was making tea and invited us to join him. He was talking about it being his first trip out of China, about the significance of the tea, Chinese culture and several things I found interesting. Out of nowhere the laborer started talking about the argument he had with his girlfriend.

It's not always intentional. Often it starts with with a bit of bad advice or information and snowballs from there. And yes, I'm well aware that I'm probably the worst offender of taking bad information and turning it into a pissing contest. Bad information and abject stupidity annoy me.

There's only one effective solution, require admin approval for every post. It's not a perfect solution, because the admins aren't infallible and it creates a lot more work, while slowing down access to useful information. However, it should eliminate most of the useless posts. I doubt if that will happen.

There are other ways to deal with it, except none of them will eliminate the problem.

1. Ignore the posts. We all know our way around Medellin. None of us require any information found on the Medellin thread. On rare occasions there's some information which saves the trouble of looking it up, or tells us we might want to look it up, but it's not likely to be critical to what we're doing.

2. Report every post which you think should be removed. It might not have any effect, but at least you're bringing the problem is the attention of the only ones who can fix it.

3. Call it out. If you think a post is stupid, call it stupid and explain why it's stupid (instead of just attacking the author). Initially it makes the problem worse, but there are some benefits. First, you're getting involved in the discussion and there's a chance you'll discover something. Second, it's more likely to bring the offending post to the admin's attention, so they can move it. Third, you're lending your unique perspective to the issues, along with your reputation.

Finally, you're applying peer pressure. If I point out that something doesn't make sense, it's just that asshole Jjbee causing trouble. If 5 different people point it out, then whoever posted it, even me, might think twice before their next useless offering.

Of course none of the above is going to happen. Complaining about something is easy, almost everyone does it. There's no risk involved. Worst case someone insults you, then you take turns hurling insults, while ignoring everything else the other person says (or assuming it's an attack on you).

Rolling up your metaphorical sleeves and trying to fix something is hard and there's the risk of failure. It's much better to sit around and pretend every problem is new and someone else is to blame.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2668411]Funny but mostly a fantasy. In the casas and strip clubs most do not go to all that effort but put something in the range of the least effort possible. It's routine, and even your young hunks that go there get the same service. Many Facebook girls are the same way unless they are eager for repeat business, some are, some aren't. At the end of the day for all of them it's a job.

P.S. The analogy of fucking an old greasy gringa doesn't work real well for the simple difference between male and female sexuality. Men need to produce wood, no easy task in such a situation. All the woman needs is a bottle of lube and open legs.[/QUOTE]I had to go back to my post to clarify a few things. Accuracy is important.

Nowhere in my post, or in Shemp's post which didn't correctly quote my post were strip clubs, casas or Facebook girls mentioned, but I'm happy to discuss all 3.

Strip clubs, in my experience, you're correct. The girls rarely put forth much effort in the room. They'll work to get you in the room, but they've already earned their money before your pants come off.

Casas, you're correct if you fail to pay attention to the signs which are obvious during the lineup. I've mentioned this several times. If you pick a girl who shows interest and enthusiasm, you're more likely to get a girl who will try to please you. If you pick a girl who is bored and won't make eye contact, you end up with a girl who already told you she's not interested. The downside is, the most interested girl and the most attractive girl are almost never the same girl.

Facebook isn't much different from the casas. You still need to find the girls who are going to put forth some effort. When I first started using Facebook my choices were about 50-50. Once I started comparing duda to firecrackers, I improved my success rate.

It is a job, except for a small number of women. That's another subject for another day. I don't think anyone said it's not a job. The discussion is whether there are any skills which a girl can use to improve her job performance and customer satisfaction rating. Another part of the discussion is whether the job is different from a more mainstream job. Since I don't believe anyone here has ever worked as a Colombian prostitute, you can either rely on unqualified opinion or available research. Take your pick.

As for your P.S., it appears the editor changed it from BS.

Yes, make and female sexuality are different. Each responds to different cues and stimuli. However, just like natural lubrication can be replaced by artificial lubrication, natural male arousal can be replaced by artificial means. Both you and I already use pharmaceutical aids. There are other methods besides the little blue pills. Check your local men's health clinic for other options.

Besides, are you really going to argue that there's no difference between a woman who needs lube and just lays there and a woman who is an aroused and active participant?

I almost forgot. (Wink).

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668614]I had to go back to my post to clarify a few things. Accuracy is important.

Nowhere in my post, or in Shemp's post which didn't correctly quote my post were strip clubs, casas or Facebook girls mentioned, but I'm happy to discuss all 3. [/QUOTE]I never read your post, only Shemp's satire and the one or two that gave him the high five. I also felt accuracy was important. Wink. I probably read 30% of the Colombia posts at most. You never crossed my mind when creating that post.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668614]Strip clubs, in my experience, you're correct. The girls rarely put forth much effort in the room. They'll work to get you in the room, but they've already earned their money before your pants come off. [/QUOTE]Same goes for the casas as even New Life is now collecting in advance. Though it's easier to get full refunds than at strip clubs if the girl is uncooperative prior to penetration.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668614]Casas, you're correct if you fail to pay attention to the signs which are obvious during the lineup. I've mentioned this several times. If you pick a girl who shows interest and enthusiasm, you're more likely to get a girl who will try to please you. If you pick a girl who is bored and won't make eye contact, you end up with a girl who already told you she's not interested. The downside is, the most interested girl and the most attractive girl are almost never the same girl. [/QUOTE]That's fascinating, how much you feel you can learn from a quick glance, a handshake and announcement of a name. Can you read used car salesmen as good as you can hookers? That would be a very useful and even marketable skill. The enthusiastic one may be a pitch girl and the aloof one shy who will fuck your brains out. How many times do we hear about girls across various venues talking a good game then changing in the room? Now of course we have plenty of guys who claim to have virtually no bad experiences, but all we have as "proof" are their anecdotes. Many guys like trying to make themselves look good, even over the internet.

It's true that the more attractive ones tend to be worse in the room, but that has nothing to do with their handshake, glance, "Dulce," and turn and departure as she makes room for the girl behind her. Also I've never had one fail to make eye contact that I can remember, which I don't necessarily take as a compliment. Your typical casa girl has her mind on the money she takes home at the end of the day, and has resigned herself to take on all swinging dicks. Their biggest complaint is hung men that fuck them too hard for their taste leaving them sore, and both handsome a disgusting men can pull that off. But based on the above comments I suspect your casa experience is limited.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668614]IYes, make and female sexuality are different. Each responds to different cues and stimuli. However, just like natural lubrication can be replaced by artificial lubrication, natural male arousal can be replaced by artificial means. Both you and I already use pharmaceutical aids. There arl behind her.re other methods besides the little blue pills. Check your local men's health clinic for other options.[/QUOTE]You talk to me about BS and don't even know that Viagra does nothing to faciliate sexual arousal?? LOL No arousal still no wood. Viagra only facilitates greater blood flow to the penis. But if you are aware of any drugs that assist with arousal when faced with a 60 year old gringa whose face looks like it was dipped in a deep fat fryer, please tell us about them as Viagra does zilch. There's some natural supplements that reportedly help with arousal, but clinical evidence is very limited. May be even more limited or non-existent when faced with someone you are replused by. But the woman can be repulsed and still perform, just open legs and apply lube. That was the point.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668614]Besides, are you really going to argue that there's no difference between a woman who needs lube and just lays there and a woman who is an aroused and active participant? [/QUOTE]There occasionally comes a time to answer a question with a question, are you really going to erect a strawman and knock it down? Well yea, you just did so I answered my own question. LOL.

You'll likely get the last word on this one, as in the end the subject is pretty trivial and I'm wrapping up my Medellin adventure. The locals rest on Sundays so I often do the same. Be safe out on the roads and Long Live Ukraine.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2668025]Have you thoought about other so called distasteful jobs. Slaughterhouse worker, meat packer, street cleaner, rubbish tip worker, OAP nurse, many others. None of these are well paid either. But plenty find job satisfaction.[/QUOTE]JustTK,

Of course, you are right. Thing is this attitude is a Democratic douche mindset, and it hurts both sexes while benefitting the pols who spew it. Women are promised that "they deserve better" and told to not settle, and any time men hurt women, they are pigs that have to be $ to soothe a woman's feelings.

That creates a problem. My ex was the kind of person who could turn anything you say into a knife, stab herself with it, and proclaim herself the victim. Half my income was barely enough for her to put up with me. She deserved so much better. LOL.

After our divorce, she lost her son, house, and dog, and she had to go back to work. She lives in a shitty apartment that got flooded and half her clothes were ruined with mold. I just watched the first season of love is blind on Netflix. Time and again, I saw the women saying they deserved better initiating a breakup not getting better.

After our divorce, my ex told me she still loved me but that she would never be in a relationship with me. My jaw dropped. To me, our divorce was like getting a tumor removed. I was almost guilty about how little I thought of her. She was still doing the same "You are not worthy of me" shit when she was clearly lucky to have had me. I wish I would have known that and felt that so much sooner.

So I do not have that mindset with women or hos any longer. You are paid to perform and to please me, and if you do not, I will see someone else. Also, do not give me this bullshit about how if you suck my dick, you are worthy of monogamy and potentially half my income. Just stop it. There is no difference between a women who gives me a massage and one who fucks me or sucks my dick.

The irony is I upped my standards so high that I never thought a woman would meet them. I wanted a woman who fucked me so good the thought of having sex again would be met with a groan and I wanted a woman who looked so good that I would rarely see her equal. But most importantly, she also had to want to make me feel good and not be a drain. Almost every woman I met looks wise went down with time, sexually quit performing, and quit trying to please me and substituted bitching for effort.

My slogan was monogamy had to be earned, and I was fully content that I would be playing the field the rest of my life. That anyone woman would meet my standard was something I never thought would happen. But when you visualize what you really want, the universe has a weird way of giving it to you.

So I fucking hate these posts that are degrading to men and "uplifting" to women. Who gives a fuck what a 19 year old ho thinks about anything?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2668710]I never read your post, only Shemp's satire and the one or two that gave him the high five. I also felt accuracy was important. Wink. I probably read 30% of the Colombia posts at most. You never crossed my mind when creating that post.

Same goes for the casas as even New Life is now collecting in advance. Though it's easier to get full refunds than at strip clubs if the girl is uncooperative prior to penetration.

That's fascinating, how much you feel you can learn from a quick glance, a handshake and announcement of a name. Can you read used car salesmen as good as you can hookers? That would be a very useful and even marketable skill. The enthusiastic one may be a pitch girl and the aloof one shy who will fuck your brains out. How many times do we hear about girls across various venues talking a good game then changing in the room? Now of course we have plenty of guys who claim to have virtually no bad experiences, but all we have as "proof" are their anecdotes. Many guys like trying to make themselves look good, even over the internet.

It's true that the more attractive ones tend to be worse in the room, but that has nothing to do with their handshake, glance, "Dulce," and turn and departure as she makes room for the girl behind her. Also I've never had one fail to make eye contact that I can remember, which I don't necessarily take as a compliment. Your typical casa girl has her mind on the money she takes home at the end of the day, and has resigned herself to take on all swinging dicks. Their biggest complaint is hung men that fuck them too hard for their taste leaving them sore, and both handsome a disgusting men can pull that off. But based on the above comments I suspect your casa experience is limited.

You talk to me about BS and don't even know that Viagra does nothing to faciliate sexual arousal?? LOL No arousal still no wood. Viagra only facilitates greater blood flow to the penis. But if you are aware of any drugs that assist with arousal when faced with a 60 year old gringa whose face looks like it was dipped in a deep fat fryer, please tell us about them as Viagra does zilch. There's some natural supplements that reportedly help with arousal, but clinical evidence is very limited. May be even more limited or non-existent when faced with someone you are replused by. But the woman can be repulsed and still perform, just open legs and apply lube. That was the point.

There occasionally comes a time to answer a question with a question, are you really going to erect a strawman and knock it down? Well yea, you just did so I answered my own question. LOL.

You'll likely get the last word on this one, as in the end the subject is pretty trivial and I'm wrapping up my Medellin adventure. The locals rest on Sundays so I often do the same. Be safe out on the roads and Long Live Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Allow me to connect you to the original. The satire was mine. However, I did enjoy Shemp's reply. I am rather amused that you didn't catch that he was responding to another post. After all, the paragraph you edited out made it obvious:

[QUOTE=Shemp;2667920]
Fantastic & hilarious & oh so true post! Occasionally for laughs I tell a chica that I need "una buena actriz" to take care of me. They of course say no acting needed but we know the truth! Yeah, these girls who usually have sex with hot 19 yr old Colombianos are now banging an unhot 60 yr old gringo. It ain't ez![/QUOTE]Now a link to mine:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2667748]While it is possible to sell pussy with no skills, hell there are trannies out there selling pussy without having a pussy to sell, there are a lot of skills nobody ever considers.[/QUOTE]As for arousal, I'll repeat, consult your local men's health clinic. I'm sure there's one advertising on the radio. There are other options, which will do the job and they can even be tailored such that the erection lasts however long you want, regardless of ejaculation. If you agree they will try a sample on you, in the clinic and the male doctor will check your erection and time it so they can adjust the dosage for however long you want to remain erect. No stimulus of any type required.

A local clinic was offering a $99 exam including testosterone level check a few years ago. They offered all the different pills, plus the other options. Interesting stuff. However, the whole experience reminded me of a time-share presentation minus the free luggage. I'll stick with my pills.

It is fascinating how much you can learn, from any type of interaction. I'm somewhat surprised you didn't realize. Sometimes it only takes a few words, sometimes a glance. Examples abound:

Did you see a post recently that said "trust me?" It's funny you mentioned used car salesmen, because the "trust me" line is a car salesman cliche. It indicates that trusting the person is not warranted.

Not long ago I received a text from an unknown number that read "How are you, my friend?" I immediately knew they weren't my friend.

Several years ago someone hacked my aunt's Facebook and sent me a message. I rarely talk to her and at that time it had been years. Figuring out the messages weren't from my aunt took a fraction of a second.

A girl glances at you in a bar, just a glance, nothing more. Can you tell whether or not she finds you attractive? I can. A guy on the street looks your way, and you get no impression of what he's thinking?

I analyze. I've been doing it my whole life. I analyze situations thousands of times daily and predict the actions of others. It's how I stay safe out there. If you're coming up in the lane next to me, I know you're going to change lanes in front of me when you're still behind me, long before that turn signal blinks.

Once you've seen the same situation hundreds of times, how can you avoid using your accumulated knowledge to predict the outcome? There are cues all around, just waiting for you to pick up on them.

It is a marketable skill and I profit from my use of it. Your belief or disbelief doesn't change that.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2669085]
Thing is this attitude is a Democratic douche mindset... My ex was the kind of person who could turn anything you say into a knife, stab herself...
My slogan was monogamy had to be earned, and I was fully content that I would be playing the field the rest of my life.[/QUOTE]I hear you. But I don't think its a left or right thing. I just think its modern culture. Many western people think the world owes them a living, not just women but men too. Sounds like you took your time to figure it out: I opted out permanently from a "normal life" by my mid 20's, decided I was not going to look for anything permanent in my life. Never been married.

I like the idea of a girl needing to earn monomgamy. I need to tell that to my girl. She's a sexy thing but we don't click in bed. Ses way too conservative, but great in most other ways, hence the reason I visit Centro.

Your ex wife. Sounds like she would make a perfect partner for jpaedo, the King Sophist.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2668342]Can anyone here explain how this makes any sense at all?

In case you missed the context, he's discussing how working girls can handle being with guys who they find unattractive.

Anyone here can put that to the test, without even testing it.

Take a moment to think about a woman, in particular, a woman who you are not in any way attracted to. A long time ago my friends and I played a game called how many beers. It's somewhat heartless, but easy to play. Pick a woman and decide how many beers you would need to drink before you would fuck her. For this test pick somewhere between a 10 beer girl and death from alcohol poisoning.

Here's the difficult part. Imagine you're naked in bed with her. Now imagine, while in bed with the disgusting woman, that you are closing your eyes and pretending she's the most beautiful woman you've ever seen.

How successful do you think you would be at pretending she's some beauty queen?[/QUOTE]If you had to choose (gun to your head) would you fuck Bella Abzug two hours before she died, or Christie Brinkley in her prime, two hours after she died?

Jjajajjajajajajjajaaaaaajajajjajaja.

Anyone complaining about the Stupid Shit on Stupid Shit has to be a Stupid Shit. Next.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2669298]I hear you. But I don't think its a left or right thing. I just think its modern culture. Many western people think the world owes them a living, not just women but men too. Sounds like you took your time to figure it out[/QUOTE]Yeah, every time, I have gone traditional it has been a disaster. Every time I turned from it; it worked out.

There is a reason women vote Democrat more often than men, and it is because they are promised money by the pols. Sure, some men are like that too but not as many. There was a great line from a man in the manosphere, "People do not want freedom. They want free shit."

[QUOTE=JustTK;2669298]I like the idea of a girl needing to earn monomgamy. I need to tell that to my girl. She's a sexy thing but we don't click in bed. Ses way too conservative, but great in most other ways, hence the reason I visit Centro.[/QUOTE]Most women do not change. Time and again, when I reunited with a sugar baby, I learned that. I did that 4 or 5 times, and it was always a mistake.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2669298]Your ex wife. Sounds like she would make a perfect partner for jpaedo, the King Sophist.[/QUOTE]LOL. My ex still looks good, and she is very nice in the beginning. Jpaedo would be strutting around that I was too stupid to not make it work, and he was so much better than me.

Then she gets you. A restaurant gets her order wrong, and she has to take it out on someone. So he says like he has before, "You look nice today, honey" and that does it. She would respond "Are you saying I looked like shit yesterday? What a thing to say? My God, you are such an asshole. " You try to soothe her, and she says "asshole, asshole, asshole". Then you try to run away and she follows you out the restaurant and into the car saying the same. That is my ex.

I am not sure even Jpaedo deserves that. This is so my ex:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg[/URL]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2669450]If you had to choose (gun to your head) would you fuck Bella Abzug two hours before she died, or Christie Brinkley in her prime, two hours after she died?

Jjajajjajajajajjajaaaaaajajajjajaja.

Anyone complaining about the Stupid Shit on Stupid Shit has to be a Stupid Shit. Next.[/QUOTE]Do I get to close my eyes? Apparently, just by closing your eyes, reality shifts to align with your imagination. Blink and poof! Bella changes to Christie, although I'd probably blink again and change Christie to Elle MacPherson in her prime.

It's basically "you can put lipstick on a pig", without the lipstick.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2669733]Do I get to close my eyes? Apparently, just by closing your eyes, reality shifts to align with your imagination. Blink and poof! Bella changes to Christie, although I'd probably blink again and change Christie to Elle MacPherson in her prime.

It's basically "you can put lipstick on a pig", without the lipstick.[/QUOTE]Hats off to you if you chose Bella (jajajajaja).

[QUOTE=JustTK;2669298]I hear you . . . I like the idea of a girl needing to earn monomgamy.[/QUOTE]I hear you and I squelch you. There is no room for love in that statement. Sad.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2670686]I hear you and I squelch you. There is no room for love in that statement. Sad.[/QUOTE]I think it dpeends where you are in life. If you have a GF and she doesn't give you what you need, why not find that elsewhere?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2670824]I think it dpeends where you are in life. If you have a GF and she doesn't give you what you need, why not find that elsewhere?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JustTK;2669298]I like the idea of a girl needing to earn monogamy[/QUOTE]"Earning" and "Love" are mutually exclusive concepts. Whether or not you are in the dream relationship of your life or your partner is torturing you to death, true love is unconditional and accepting, and is not meant to be earned.

I should beg off this thread, Catgirl just dumped me and I am not in a clear enough state of mind to be discussing relationships, other than I just did. Ostee Out. Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2669670] she says "asshole, asshole, asshole".[/QUOTE]Man, that's almost as bad as saying "douche douche douche" all the time.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2670824]I think it dpeends where you are in life. If you have a GF and she doesn't give you what you need, why not find that elsewhere?[/QUOTE]If you have a girlfriend and she doesn't give you what you need, tell her you're moving on and find a girlfriend who gives you what you need. At the very least, find a girlfriend who accepts your need to go after other girls.

Better yet, find a girlfriend who also needs what you need, to have sex with other women. It saves money, and it gets your girlfriend doing half the work to find other women.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2670867]Man, that's almost as bad as saying "douche douche douche" all the time.[/QUOTE]In your case, I am sure it would have been both douche and asshole.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/reagan/cdc-covid-flu-walensky/2022/03/05/id/1059780/[/URL]

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2022/03/04/covid-vaccine-bombshells-you-probably-didnt-hear-about/[/URL]

I've been jabbed 6 x so far.

2 x in 2020.

2 x in 2021.

2 x in 2022, including #6 today.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2670863]"Earning" and "Love" are mutually exclusive concepts....true love is unconditional and accepting, and is not meant to be earned.
.[/QUOTE]I never mentioned love, and "earn is the word that elvis used and that I chose to discuss.

True love. Would be interested to hear more on that, since its your own definition and I don't understand it.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2671145]I never mentioned love, and "earn is the word that elvis used and that I chose to discuss.

True love. Would be interested to hear more on that, since its your own definition and I don't understand it.[/QUOTE]I assumed that people would prefer to be in love with their significant other than not, and that mutual love with another person is a beneficial state. Silly me.

Love is a complex subject about which someone who knows more about it than I could certainly write a book. Love is a powerful invisible force. Right there next to nuclear energy, jeje.

I am not saying that love is a requirement or necessary in a person's life and I have heard many people say that don't ever want to fall in love, usually as a result of bad experiences, but not always. So called emotional "damaged goods. " A significant other can be a very nice place for your love. Better than loving Tussi.

There are many different kinds of love. You can love money, music, material objects, people, relatives, pets, a lifestyle, religious icons, movies, works of art, so and so on. For example, Christians believe in some sort of "Agape" or highest form of love that is held for their God. I don't believe love is solely a matter of degree although there are certainly degrees of love, including for people. Would you lay down and die for everyone you loved, if you loved anyone?

Almost invariably, if a person feels he or she is in True Love, they will tell you they are happier and better off for it. Lack of self-reported love in a person's social support system is a predictor or risk factor for depression. "It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."

Love can cause murder or so called "crimes of passion."

Love is the only force that defies the law of entropy in physics. Love is a form of energy, some would day "positive" energy. Without love, then there truly would be no hope for humanity. That last point is certainly debatable. But not me, here and now.

That's my love, off the top of my head.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2671025]In your case, I am sure it would have been both douche and asshole.[/QUOTE]How would "normalization" of relations affect mongering in Colombia.

If all the putas go back home?

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/venezuela-maduro-putin-talks/2022/03/06/id/1059850/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2671077]
I've been jabbed 6 x so far.
2 x in 2020. 2 x in 2021. 2 x in 2022, including #6 today.[/QUOTE]Haha, you cannot be serious! We wil not know for a while bcos Big Pharma and Govt is scared to release the stats, but I heard rumours that taking a lot of shots can lower your own immune system.

I must say, I got a confession to make! Yeah, I listened to all you lot and thought about what you were saying. I thought, why punish myself and make my own life difficult by just being obstinate? Not havng one can make my life difficult in Colombia, and also mean that I canonot leave the country to renew my visa. On top of that, yeah I heard you. I realised I was being selfish, that I should play my part and share my money with the girls. If I didn't get one, I would not be able to do that.

So I did the altruistic thing, I went against my own morals, I took oe for the team. Yeah I got one. I got a VAX! . Card. In fact, I got 2, just in case. So now I have the first and the second one. So now I have the double shot of vax cards. I dunno why I was being so stubborn. Now I see the light, how stupid I was. Thanks for all the sound advise and patience fellas.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2671219]There are many different kinds of love. You can love money, music, material objects, people, relatives, pets, a lifestyle, religious icons, movies, works of art, so and so on. For example, Christians believe in some sort of "Agape" or highest form of love that is held for their God. I don't believe love is solely a matter of degree although there are certainly degrees of love, including for people. Would you lay down and die for everyone you loved, if you loved anyone?
Almost invariably, if a person feels he or she is in True Love, they will tell you they are happier and better off for it. Lack of self-reported love in a person's social support system is a predictor or risk factor for depression. "It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.".[/QUOTE]I was most curious about what you meant by "true love is unconditional and accepting". What does unconditional mean. That someone could do absolutley anything yet you would still love them? I doubt that exists. I wouldn't call that true love, I woudl call it blind stupidity. Hehe.

And "Accepting" - no idea what that word means in this context.

BTW: do you know that Colombians claim to have more words to describe different types of love than in English? I wasn't convinced when I heard that. As you say, I think there are different levels and types of positive feelings, some would call something love, others not. Colombians and Enslish speakers just hang different labels on things, that's all.

How is the heart holding up Osteo? Does it need stitches?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2671318]Haha, you cannot be serious! We wil not know for a while bcos Big Pharma and Govt is scared to release the stats, but I heard rumours that taking a lot of shots can lower your own immune system.

I must say, I got a confession to make! Yeah, I listened to all you lot and thought about what you were saying. I thought, why punish myself and make my own life difficult by just being obstinate? Not havng one can make my life difficult in Colombia, and also mean that I canonot leave the country to renew my visa. On top of that, yeah I heard you. I realised I was being selfish, that I should play my part and share my money with the girls. If I didn't get one, I would not be able to do that.

So I did the altruistic thing, I went against my own morals, I took oe for the team. Yeah I got one. I got a VAX! . Card. In fact, I got 2, just in case. So now I have the first and the second one. So now I have the double shot of vax cards. I dunno why I was being so stubborn. Now I see the light, how stupid I was. Thanks for all the sound advise and patience fellas.[/QUOTE]So how many COP did you pay for the card? LMAO.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2671322]I was most curious about what you meant by "true love is unconditional and accepting". What does unconditional mean. That someone could do absolutley anything yet you would still love them? I doubt that exists. I wouldn't call that true love, I woudl call it blind stupidity. Hehe.

And "Accepting" - no idea what that word means in this context.

BTW: do you know that Colombians claim to have more words to describe different types of love than in English? I wasn't convinced when I heard that. As you say, I think there are different levels and types of positive feelings, some would call something love, others not. Colombians and Enslish speakers just hang different labels on things, that's all.

How is the heart holding up Osteo? Does it need stitches?[/QUOTE]I am not certain of what love means. I don't know. Unconditional love falls more under the category of Agape, but I am not religious. Yet, I do believe in unconditional love. I think the first tenant of unconditional love is putting someone else before yourself. I am not saying I do that, but that is the type of love I was writing about.

Accepting is right next to unconditional. That means we are all imperfect and flawed, but when you love someone, you overlook or accept those flaws.

As far as words go, supposedly Colombia has more words for what I call "pussy" or vagina than any other culture in the world. At least 35 different words, don't ask me to list them. Is that Love and is that one of the reasons we are all here?

The heart is fine. Catgirl says we are still in a relationship. At the moment, our relationship simply does not involve seeing each other in person, jajajaja. But I can still feel the love.

You may certainly have the last word on the Love topic if you wish. Anything I would write after this would have to fall under the category of bullshit, but we are in Stupid Shit, so maybe it continues.

How about a bunch of gratuitous recent unconditional love fotos?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2671219]I assumed that people would prefer to be in love with their significant other than not, and that mutual love with another person is a beneficial state. Silly me.

Love is a complex subject about which someone who knows more about it than I could certainly write a book. Love is a powerful invisible force. Right there next to nuclear energy, jeje.

I am not saying that love is a requirement or necessary in a person's life and I have heard many people say that don't ever want to fall in love, usually as a result of bad experiences, but not always. So called emotional "damaged goods. " A significant other can be a very nice place for your love. Better than loving Tussi.

There are many different kinds of love. You can love money, music, material objects, people, relatives, pets, a lifestyle, religious icons, movies, works of art, so and so on. For example, Christians believe in some sort of "Agape" or highest form of love that is held for their God. I don't believe love is solely a matter of degree although there are certainly degrees of love, including for people. Would you lay down and die for everyone you loved, if you loved anyone?

Almost invariably, if a person feels he or she is in True Love, they will tell you they are happier and better off for it. Lack of self-reported love in a person's social support system is a predictor or risk factor for depression. "It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all..[/QUOTE]Sadly the above is a lot of horse shit, but all fittiing to the sign on the marquis, "stupid shit," most notably the claim that "love can cause murder. " Such reasoning betrays someone as deranged or just saturated drugs, the latter being the most likely cause in this case. But rule number one, never take advice about "love" from a monger forum. That's the last place you'd want to look.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2671334]So how many COP did you pay for the card? LMAO.[/QUOTE]I paid 200. I think it was money well spent. You gave your money to a bunch of crooked theives, whereas I gave mine to someone that is trying to assist people in difficult times.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2671552]I paid 200. I think it was money well spent. You gave your money to a bunch of crooked theives, whereas I gave mine to someone that is trying to assist people in difficult times.[/QUOTE]Well I was initially in a drug trial in early 2020 to help save the world from the CCP and they paid me a few measly thousand (s) dollars to save humanity from the vile diseases of Asia.

[URL]https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/short-reads/article/3114327/china-has-been-plagued-and-shaped-epidemics-it[/URL]

And all the other jabs were "free" and most even gave $100 gift cards LOL.

So I helped save the planet from the CCP and you paid 200 mil for a little piece of paper, OK? LOL.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2671567]Well I was initially in a drug trial in early 2020 to help save the world from the CCP and they paid me a few measly thousand (s) dollars to save humanity from the vile diseases of Asia.
And all the other jabs were "free" and most even gave $100 gift cards LOL.
So I helped save the planet from the CCP and you paid 200 mil for a little piece of paper, OK? LOL.[/QUOTE]Its good that they paid you a token getsure to ruin your auto-immune system.

200 mil. I guess I can think of it as a donation to the poor, rather than throwing money at the rich.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2671567]Well I was initially in a drug trial in early 2020 to help save the world from the CCP .[/QUOTE]Did it save you from the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) ? Sorry if not keeping up.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2671620]Its good that they paid you a token getsure to ruin your auto-immune system.

200 mil. I guess I can think of it as a donation to the poor, rather than throwing money at the rich.[/QUOTE]Again I didn't throw a penny at them other than my tax dollars LOL but nonetheless I appreciate your sentiment LOL.

Even if I don't agree paying some drug dealer in Prado $50 usd for a little piece of paper is helping the poor LOL.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2671648]Again I didn't throw a penny at them other than my tax dollars LOL but nonetheless I appreciate your sentiment LOL.

Even if I don't agree paying some drug dealer in Prado $50 usd for a little piece of paper is helping the poor LOL.[/QUOTE]I didn't say that you paid them, I said that they paid you.

And I didn't pay a drug dealer, I paid a lowly-paid nurse.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2671706]I didn't say that you paid them, I said that they paid you.

And I didn't pay a drug dealer, I paid a lowly-paid nurse.[/QUOTE]So some female drug dealer or drug dealers GF told you she was a nurse to make.

You think that made her little piece of paper more legit, what if it doesn't even resemble the real thing LOL.

Your 3rd world country may or may not notice but Colombia might LMAO.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2671714]So some female drug dealer or drug dealers GF told you she was a nurse to make.

You think that made her little piece of paper more legit, what if it doesn't even resemble the real thing LOL.
.[/QUOTE]She had on a nurses uniform and was working in a medico. I dunno what more convincing you would need.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2671402]But rule number one, never take advice about "love" from a monger forum. That's the last place you'd want to look.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree. Mongers have figured out a much cheaper and better way to get sex than "love" and marriage and are better equipped to know what is going on with another man. We can get see the lust v. Love angle much clearer than others.

In the manosphere, what Ostee is doing is called spinning plates. I had a similar setup in the USA where I rotated three women. Sometimes the intimacy and passion could be construed as love. It is much easier for an outsider to see that and reign you in when that is going on. Hence, I always have someone outside the relationship I trust to give me objective feedback.

In Ostee's case, a woman did to him what he did to them: cut him off. She took her toy (pussy) home, and he is equating the loss of the toy with "love."

How do I know? It is simple. If he loved her, he would have a top 1 and not a top 10, and he would not be posting nude pics of her.

And it takes a guy to have been spinning plates to know that. Yeah, he will come back with some bullshit about how I do not understand what he had was different than what I did, but it is not.

I hated using the word prostitution to describe what I had with my sugar babies as it was at a much higher level of intimacy than a street walker, but it met the definition, and I suspect Ostee would fight that he has a bunch of hos as well. But that is what he has whether he wants to admit it or not.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2671925]How do I know? It is simple. If he loved her, he would have a top 1 and not a top 10, and he would not be posting nude pics of her.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are saying that if you love someone or something then you should keep them hidden. Maybe he loves her so much that he wants to show her off, just like a guy that bought a new Ferrari. On a slippery slope seems you would also assert that people that are swingers do not love each other.

I think it is up to each individual for them to define or experience what love is for themselves. Just like saying something is delicious. People have different ideas of what delicious is.

I also do not get the idea of the top 1. Does that also mean that if you love your first kid you should not have anymore and if you do then you do not love the first one?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2671757]She had on a nurses uniform and was working in a medico. I dunno what more convincing you would need.[/QUOTE]My first BJ in Costa Rica many years ago was in a local place called VIPS. It was a real dive. So bad I just stood up. The gal was the only good looking one in a herd of big girls and she wasn't big either. She had on a white nurse vinyl mini dress uniform with patent leather red high platform, shoes. It was 15 years ago but the image is still fresh in my mind. I think it was $12. Anyway, those of you who know San Jose, it was a block down from what was the Carlton and now the Taomarina. No offense to anyone,. The mentioning of a nurse uniform in this forum had to remind me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2672093]Sounds like you are saying that if you love someone or something then you should keep them hidden. Maybe he loves her so much that he wants to show her off, just like a guy that bought a new Ferrari. On a slippery slope seems you would also assert that people that are swingers do not love each other.

I think it is up to each individual for them to define or experience what love is for themselves. Just like saying something is delicious. People have different ideas of what delicious is.

I also do not get the idea of the top 1. Does that also mean that if you love your first kid you should not have anymore and if you do then you do not love the first one?[/QUOTE]Do these "rules of Elvis" say if I love my #1, I cannot fuck any other vaginas? Ever? If so, why the fuck not?

Elvira, Mr E, Pedro, JustTK (a Twat), The Marquis de Twat, what greater credentials could you expect in an internet discussion? All should be more than impressed. Wink.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGKatCAQed0[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2672099]My first BJ in Costa Rica many years ago was in a local place called VIPS. It was a real dive.[/QUOTE]I remember that place. I used to live in the same block as Little Havana and I went in VIPs several times and never fucked anybody. It was cheap to drink there too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2672093]I think it is up to each individual for them to define or experience what love is for themselves. Just like saying something is delicious. People have different ideas of what delicious is.[/QUOTE]That is a monger definition of love, and you are mistaking it for lust / good sex. Love is between two people, and you do not get to define what it is.

I have thought I was in love many times but really it has been rare. What I have seen is that there were many times I just wanted to be and talked myself into it. When you are in that stage of talking yourself into love, it is the easiest thing for other people to see. Just the other day, I saw and heard a guy in that state and I could tell he was not in love but wanted to be just by his tone of voice. I had one woman tell me she could tell a woman was in love with me just by her smile; she said that the girl was smiling "a real smile". That had not crossed my mind.

I have been in that wanting to be in love state enough that I rely on others to confirm it for me. Hell, another woman can smell it out in no time.

So you can love your #1 out of 10 (or 20) women all you want, but the odds are overwhelming you are deluding yourself if you think she loves you back.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2672099]My first BJ in Costa Rica many years ago .[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TynPqDlQ-F0&ab_channel=Stockwahl[/URL]

Can't resist this Sopranos clip with Paulie, who is 100 times more intelligent than our own Paulie troll.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2672110]Do these "rules of Elvis" say if I love my #1, I cannot fuck any other vaginas?[/QUOTE]You can love and fuck all you want. Hell, you can love your whole top 10. Of course, if you have a top 10, don't you think she might too? And she loves all those guys too. And while she may be your #1, she has you at #6. If she blows you off, and you see her out on the town with another guy and she seems happier with him than with you, love will get you through that. Then if you find out, she DFKs that guy and not you and does BBFS with him and not you, love will get you through that too. Hell, you love your #1 so much that you are willing to just wait her out and only see her when guys #1 through 5 are not busy. And then you wake up.

I know how I dealt with this. I made appointments and loved our time together and sex together and the image the woman put forth when we were together, but I knew I was fucking a ho and did not want to go deeper. Eventually, reality would bubble its way up and even the best sugar relationships would then end. Still, we were very, very intimate.

I did not ask about love or if the women were seeing other men because I did not want to hear the answer. Thing is if you are fucking around and a woman knows it, and the woman tells you that she loves you and is not seeing other men, she is lying certainly with regards to the former and probably the latter.

You are not going to get the best out of a woman unless you are exclusive to her. If you do not care about that and only are interested in the sexual part, that is fine with me. Just do not tell me that is love.

There is no rule MDS. If you really love someone, you should not want to fuck anyone else.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2672099]My first BJ in Costa Rica many years ago was in a local place called VIPS. She had on a white nurse vinyl mini dress uniform with patent leather red high platform, shoes. .[/QUOTE]Then we have smthg in common. We both appreciate a girl in uniform.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2672364]Then we have smthg in common. We both appreciate a girl in uniform.[/QUOTE]Most likely we have 2 or more things in common.

A girl in uniform and getting a BJ from her and from most girls.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2672236]That is a monger definition of love, and you are mistaking it for lust / good sex. Love is between two people, and you do not get to define what it is.[/QUOTE]I did not attempt to define what it is. I said it is a personal thing, the same as something being delicious. But how or why do you get to define what it is not?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2672321]If you really love someone, you should not want to fuck anyone else.[/QUOTE]What a stupid thing to say on a hooker board.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2672321]There is no rule MDS. If you really love someone, you should not want to fuck anyone else.[/QUOTE]I completely disagree.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2672406]I did not attempt to define what it is. I said it is a personal thing, the same as something being delicious. [B]But how or why do you get to define what it is not?[/B][/QUOTE]Because Elvis said it. So if you don't agree with him then you must be a Democratic Douche.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2672321]There is no rule MDS. If you really love someone, you should not want to fuck anyone else.[/QUOTE]There are no bounds to your hypocrisy and utter bullshit. You say there is no rule and then in your very next sentence makeup a rule that if you love someone that you should not want to fuck anyone else.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2672367]Most likely we have 2 or more things in common.
[/QUOTE]Well, lets not get too friendly. Hehe.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2672480]There are no bounds to your hypocrisy and utter bullshit. You say there is no rule and then in your very next sentence makeup a rule that if you love someone that you should not want to fuck anyone else.[/QUOTE]But take it easy on E, in the 1970's whilst I was in school in Chicago when I was growing up, there was a term, "pussy whipped.'

Has he been afflicted? I'm not sure I can diagnosis him online, at least not yet? We will just have to keep an eye on his posts for.

Anymore nonsensical feminism tainted bullshit, of which this forum certainly doesn't need any more of!!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2672406]I did not attempt to define what it is. I said it is a personal thing, the same as something being delicious. But how or why do you get to define what it is not?[/QUOTE]Delicious is one person's opinion. It can be agreed upon but it is one person's opinion. Love is between two people. I am telling you love from a female POV but let's turn it around.

You have a date with a woman, and she blows you off and goes off and fucks some other guy and spends the money you gave her on him. You were waiting to have sex with her, and she is investing her time and money in someone else. She then sees you, apologizes, and says, "But I still love you." Are you going to be stupid enough to believe her? Even if you stay with her, does it change things? Are you going to go all in on her like you were or hold back some?

And then you confide in your friends and family. What are they going to say? Stick with her? No, they are going to tell you that you are a moron for putting up with her. If you tell them, it is humiliating, and you look like a fucking idiot but not talking about it may eat you up inside.

So you can say you love a woman all you want and define it how you want. If you believe that you can be in love with one woman and fuck other ones, have at it. Just do not feed me this bullshit the woman you claim to love is loving you back.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2672582]Delicious is one person's opinion. It can be agreed upon but it is one person's opinion. Love is between two people. I am telling you love from a female POV but let's turn it around.

You have a date with a woman, and she blows you off and goes off and fucks some other guy and spends the money you gave her on him. You were waiting to have sex with her, and she is investing her time and money in someone else. She then sees you, apologizes, and says, "But I still love you." Are you going to be stupid enough to believe her? Even if you stay with her, does it change things? Are you going to go all in on her like you were or hold back some?

And then you confide in your friends and family. What are they going to say? Stick with her? No, they are going to tell you that you are a moron for putting up with her. If you tell them, it is humiliating, and you look like a fucking idiot but not talking about it may eat you up inside.

So you can say you love a woman all you want and define it how you want. If you believe that you can be in love with one woman and fuck other ones, have at it. Just do not feed me this bullshit the woman you claim to love is loving you back.[/QUOTE]Just do not feed me this bullshit the woman you claim to love is loving you back.

What about Marianismo? There are plenty of females that are like that around the world.

And who cares if they love you back unless one is love starved? LOL.

Lastly what if you travel a lot for work? How can she know what you're doing say 3000 miles away?

Check out this old dear's attitude to sex work:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IITZh5tYjY[/URL]

I bet she gives a mean BJ when she takes her teeth out.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2672582]Delicious is one person's opinion. It can be agreed upon but it is one person's opinion. Love is between two people. I am telling you love from a female POV but let's turn it around.[/QUOTE]But how is you talking about love from a female point of view valid, while Osteo talking about love from his own point of view not valid? I can not decide what is or is not delicious for you and you can not decide what is or is not love for Osteo.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2672783]But how is you talking about love from a female point of view valid[/QUOTE]I did it from the male POV if you have a woman who blows you off, takes your money, and fucks another guy while leaving you horny. Are you still going to love that woman or love her as much? Don't you think you would feel stupid for sticking with a girl and telling her you love her who is fucking around on you?

This is not that hard. This is not about feminism but respect in relationships. This idea you can spend your time and money fucking other women (or vice versa) and your main squeeze will love you just as much is pure bullshit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2672783]You can not decide what is or is not love for Osteo.[/QUOTE]The worst judge of a man claiming to be in love is THAT man. So yeah I do get to judge that and be more accurate than Osteo because I am out of the relationship. I know EXACTLY what this is like because I have been in love with the idea of being in love so many times, and it was obvious to everyone else when it was not to me.

A lot of my male friends met my sugar babies when I was married. Do you think any of those guys could say, "You know Elvis really loves his wife" without cracking up? The only person thinking that was me, and I was wrong to think that, and that is what is going on with so many guys here. Hell, my ex even told me she loved me.

When I kissed my ex fiance in Peru, the cabbie said I had a pretty GF, and she was 30 years younger than me. In Mexico, I was with one of my Mexican sugar babies and an American on the street, stopped me and asked me how much a "girl like her" would cost him. People can pick out in 2 seconds if a relationship is real or not.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2672408]What a stupid thing to say on a hooker board.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2672581]

Has he been afflicted? I'm not sure I can diagnosis him online, at least not yet? We will just have to keep an eye on his posts for.

Anymore nonsensical feminism tainted bullshit, of which this forum certainly doesn't need any more of!![/QUOTE]"If you really love someone, you should not want to fuck anyone else" is a gender neutral statement.

Do you think if a woman fucks around on you, you are going to feel the same way about her? Do you think if she fucks around on you, you might not be tempted to do likewise?

The fact that you cannot see how this goes both ways show how clueless you all are.

And yeah, where else are you going to talk about the reality and illusion of relationships versus hoing? A church group?

And Huacho seeing as how your prime market is street walkers, you can excuse yourself from the discussion. Grownups are talking here.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2672480]There are no bounds to your hypocrisy and utter bullshit. You say there is no rule and then in your very next sentence makeup a rule that if you love someone that you should not want to fuck anyone else.[/QUOTE]LOL I have no clue why he's so active on the monger forum spewing relationship / love advice. We are here to fuck them, not love them.

Yo Marquis, here is one of those butch Colombian policewomen you wouldn't touch.

[URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLfScgVx/?k=1[/URL]

[URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLfS3c1v/?k=1[/URL]

[URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLfABR8p/?k=1[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2672809]"If you really love someone, you should not want to fuck anyone else" is a gender neutral statement.

Do you think if a woman fucks around on you, you are going to feel the same way about her? Do you think if she fucks around on you, you might not be tempted to do likewise?

The fact that you cannot see how this goes both ways show how clueless you all are.

And yeah, where else are you going to talk about the reality and illusion of relationships versus hoing? A church group?

And Huacho seeing as how your prime market is street walkers, you can excuse yourself from the discussion. Grownups are talking here.[/QUOTE]"If you really love someone, you should not want to fuck anyone else" is a gender neutral statement.

This is a concept women use to control an manipulate men (its feminist bullshit and you know it).

No different than when I would be with a GF and she sees a beautiful 20 something chica with a guy in his 60's or 70's.

And she gets angry and says how "gross" he is for going with such a "young girl".

Yet I would hear them with their friends whooping it up, when they would see an older actress with a much younger guy.

We as men are biologically programmed to reproduce as much as possible to propagate the species.

There's only 1 way I know how to do that personally.

And yes that makes condoms an affront to nature as is abortion.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2672845]Yo Marquis, here is one of those butch Colombian policewomen you wouldn't touch.

[URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLfScgVx/?k=1[/URL]

[URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLfS3c1v/?k=1[/URL]

[URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLfABR8p/?k=1[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm not into unfeminine lesbians with penis envy, if I wanted to fuck that.

I would join your MDE lunch club.

So no you couldn't pay me to fuck that.

I really love latinas except the unfeminine ones, when i clicked on the link I got angry

I used to box a lot many years ago, my impulse is to wanna punch her in her face lol

can I knock out her teeth and break her nose in one hit? lol

I'm sure you dream about being her bottom *****, so who is the bottom when you're at home? You or JJ.

After all this talk of love.

I thought some of you might enjoy this presentation about how women present themselves.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSOJZFEjGLE[/URL]

She makes some great points. But I doubt she has experiencesd working outside Veracruz.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2672805]The worst judge of a man claiming to be in love is THAT man. So yeah I do get to judge that and be more accurate than Osteo because I am out of the relationship.[/QUOTE]Why did you get the apartment and motorbike for your girlfriend in Colombia? You are wasting your money and time because you are definitely not in love with her. Clearly I am more accurate about this than you because I am out of the relationship.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2672843]LOL I have no clue why he's so active on the monger forum spewing relationship / love advice. We are here to fuck them, not love them.[/QUOTE]It is puzzling for sure. Pontificating on what love is and the virtues of it on a monger forum is like giving a become a vegan presentation at a hunter's convention.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2673087]It is puzzling for sure. Pontificating on what love is and the virtues of it on a monger forum is like giving a become a vegan presentation at a hunter's convention.[/QUOTE]Been there, seen it, bought the T-shirt.

A tombstone.

Many pretend mongers here married hookers. Don't knock it. Most of you, being American riff raff, will not have read Georges Simenon, the great Belgian author of the Maigret series. Here is part of his Wiki entry: During this period (1919-22), Simenon's familiarity with nightlife, prostitutes, drunkenness and carousing increased. The people he rubbed elbows with included anarchists, bohemian artists and even two future murderers, the latter appearing in his novel Les Trois crimes de mes amis. He also frequented a group of artists known as "La Caque". While not really involved in the group, he did meet his future wife Regine Renchon through it.

Simenon, who should know, said many of the nicest folk he ever met were hookers, to use a vulgar Americanism. Who could not love them? Love conquers all.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2673198]A tombstone.

Many pretend mongers here married hookers. Don't knock it. Most of you, being American riff raff, will not have read Georges Simenon, the great Belgian author of the Maigret series. Here is part of his Wiki entry: During this period (1919-22), Simenon's familiarity with nightlife, prostitutes, drunkenness and carousing increased. The people he rubbed elbows with included anarchists, bohemian artists and even two future murderers, the latter appearing in his novel Les Trois crimes de mes amis. He also frequented a group of artists known as "La Caque". While not really involved in the group, he did meet his future wife Regine Renchon through it.

Simenon, who should know, said many of the nicest folk he ever met were hookers, to use a vulgar Americanism. Who could not love them? Love conquers all.[/QUOTE]How many mongers here can honestly answer my question?

Would you ever date or marry a puta?

I can state unequivocally hell no.

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