Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=TheCane;2676971] I've been on the site about 2 1/2 months now, and I had my absolute greatest success within the first two weeks. After that, nothing has come close. In fact, I'm so sick and tired of Seeking that I can't wait for my membership to be over. Will address more in my third and final monthly report.[/QUOTE]They give your profile a blast the first day you join. Then the day your subscription is over, they give your profile another blast so you will get a lot of messages and renew to open the messages.

In between you get all the foreign woman trying to sell you photos online and local women trying to scam you and get you to pay them for a first meet and greet.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2676971] I've been on the site about 2 1/2 months now, and I had my absolute greatest success within the first two weeks. After that, nothing has come close.[/QUOTE]Try posting new photos a few weeks in or changing your headline and profile significantly. When one searches the new profiles and those who are recently active can be searched. The new women are less likely to be seasonsed pros and more likely to be first timers. Maybe the women think the same about us men. Some women have had their profiles up there for years, you can see the year they joined, unless it is hidden, they can see your date joined too, unless hidden.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2677216]They give your profile a blast the first day you join. Then the day your subscription is over, they give your profile another blast so you will get a lot of messages and renew to open the messages.

In between you get all the foreign woman trying to sell you photos online and local women trying to scam you and get you to pay them for a first meet and greet.[/QUOTE]For a while I noticed a hack where you g into settings to Deactivate or Delete your account. As I mouse over the link, I receive an offer of a 5 day free boost. I would then accept the offer and activate the boost.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2677216]They give your profile a blast the first day you join. Then the day your subscription is over, they give your profile another blast so you will get a lot of messages and renew to open the messages.

In between you get all the foreign woman trying to sell you photos online and local women trying to scam you and get you to pay them for a first meet and greet.[/QUOTE]I'm aware of all of the tricks these dating sites use to keep suckers on the hook. Not going to work with me as I'm tired of all of the bullshit on Seeking. It's just like you say. Foreign "women" (maybe) filling up your "favorited me" queue, scammers trying to get at your money, and greedy, lazy, arrogant women who think they're going to eat and drink on your dime and get paid to do it too, all in exchange for nothing but their "valuable time". Well fuck that! Once my three-month membership expires I'm done! If I hadn't met Abby in the early weeks, I might have just thrown in the towel much, much earlier.

Thanks for the info. Seems like I got you beat. One chick wants 400 just to go to lunch.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2676980]I was there a month ago.

I found my best and she did not ask anything at all. I paid her 300 E for overnight. And, she told me next day that I paid her more. Very sweet girl and for her attitude, I don't mind paying that much.

On the other hand, there were some I dropped and did not meet. One asked for 500. Another asked for 200 for meet and greet. Obviously, I told them to fuck off.

Start about a week early. Pick those that seem nice, talk to them and take it from there.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]

Just my experience but I don't mind that my profile isn't blasted. If someone reaches out to me I'm suspicious. I do the initiating with the ones I'm interested in.

Honestly, I don't even have a picture up. (Discretion due to career). Girls who are serious I will upload a pic to in chat. This has been a problem for some of them, but not most of them.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2677392]I'm aware of all of the tricks these dating sites use to keep suckers on the hook. Not going to work with me as I'm tired of all of the bullshit on Seeking. It's just like you say. Foreign "women" (maybe) filling up your "favorited me" queue, scammers trying to get at your money, and greedy, lazy, arrogant women who think they're going to eat and drink on your dime and get paid to do it too, all in exchange for nothing but their "valuable time". Well fuck that! Once my three-month membership expires I'm done! If I hadn't met Abby in the early weeks, I might have just thrown in the towel much, much earlier.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2677131]You've probably answered this elsewhere but how much time are you putting into it? Are you on daily? Weekly?

I felt more optimistic last week when the girl I met up with was ready to come back with me within an hour of meeting me hah. If they were all that easy it'd be amazing but seems like I got lucky.[/QUOTE]I don't understand any of this discussion about profile boosts etc. I have no interest in women finding my profile. I totally ignore all women who favorite me. Fuck I don't even have a picture. I just browse by most recently active and mostly interact only with those currently on line.

If I am traveling to a new city I might spend an hour a day poking around till I find some active girls. Probably get active chat with ten and narrow down to one or two. And then just light text every night or two.

The girl I met last night in Buenos Aires we texted for 6 weeks. She was super sweet. Looked like a solid 8 in pics. Was a TEN in person. Holy fuck I about dropped dead on the spot. Okay 9. 5 with clothes off. Ten face and hair. OMG. So all this shit pays off.

As regards you spent an hour and went to the room. Did you get lucky? Nope. That is the way it works? Dinner or drinks and hit the room! My fastest ever was probably 15 minutes. She was late and I didn't have much time. We had a quick drink and I said "want to get out of here?" she said "wow your really confident aren't you?" And I said "yep let's go" and boom we are fucking 10 minutes later. She's a reg now. Hahaha. But you should PLAN on spending one to two hours max and get on to fucking!

And my advice remains skip the coffee date and go for the SNL (single night lay). Coffee date may work for some — believe Cane did a platonic meet and greet with his gem before getting down to business. But this never worked for me. Just have an amazing dinner or drinks make them laugh sweep them off the feet and hit the hotel!

I will be traveling to Toronto for work. How is the SA scene in Toronto? What is the typical cost per meeting for petite girls under 25.

Thanks in advance.

I was there at cdmx early this month. This is my 1st SA experience. I went to GDL from there. I was sticking to slim girls under 25. I paid between 1500 to 4000 peso. Almost all girls except couple of them were good. Most of them seems to be semi pro.

Overall I am satisfied with the type of girls I found on SA Mexico. I will be going again to cdmx in April 1st week.

I don't know Spanish. Knowing Spanish would definitely makes this more enjoyable.

It may be hard to move from SA to typical escort scene as I started enjoying the experience not just sex.

Please let me know if you have any other suggested cities in Mexico with good SA selection.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2677704]I will be traveling to Toronto for work. How is the SA scene in Toronto? What is the typical cost per meeting for petite girls under 25.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I'm curious about Toronto as well. The great thing about TO is if a SA girl flakes the P4P scene is robust. It has an abundance of Plan be options.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2677704]I will be traveling to Toronto for work. How is the SA scene in Toronto? What is the typical cost per meeting for petite girls under 25.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2677882]I'm curious about Toronto as well. The great thing about TO is if a SA girl flakes the P4P scene is robust. It has an abundance of Plan be options.[/QUOTE]A few years ago, I spent two months in the Toronto area and used SA extensively. It seemed like most of the Toronto SBs on the SA site were former Toronto escorts whose best years were behind them. That did not excite me. But then, I discovered that the SA scene in Niagara Falls (Canada side) was very good, which is only an hour drive from Toronto. At first, I was really surprised. But then I learned that the reason why SA is great in Niagara Falls is because so many people there work in the tourism industry, like casino workers, waitresses, hotel maids, etc. , and they are looking for extra income, especially when tourism is down (I was there during the frigid months of January, February, and March, and so almost no tourists in Niagara Falls, and hotels, bars, restaurants were pretty empty). 300 Canadian dollars was about the going rate, but that was a few years ago. So anyway, my suggestion is to look at the Niagara Falls scene too. I think you will find it to be better than the Toronto scene.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2677705]I was there at cdmx early this month. This is my 1st SA experience. I went to GDL from there. I was sticking to slim girls under 25. I paid between 1500 to 4000 peso. Almost all girls except couple of them were good. Most of them seems to be semi pro.

Overall I am satisfied with the type of girls I found on SA Mexico. I will be going again to cdmx in April 1st week.

I don't know Spanish. Knowing Spanish would definitely makes this more enjoyable.

It may be hard to move from SA to typical escort scene as I started enjoying the experience not just sex.

Please let me know if you have any other suggested cities in Mexico with good SA selection.[/QUOTE]M.

I am having great success with SA in MTY and M. City. Unfortunately it did not work that well for me in GDL. I love GDL, but was a little disappointed with the quality of the Chicas. I met some really hot girls in Tijuana from GDL, but when I arrived in GDL it was a was a let down. Great food and weather there, but for girls there are better destinations in Mxico.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2677543]

As regards you spent an hour and went to the room. Did you get lucky? Nope. That is the way it works? Dinner or drinks and hit the room! My fastest ever was probably 15 minutes. She was late and I didn't have much time. We had a quick drink and I said "want to get out of here?" she said "wow your really confident aren't you?" And I said "yep let's go" and boom we are fucking 10 minutes later. She's a reg now. Hahaha. But you should PLAN on spending one to two hours max and get on to fucking!

And my advice remains skip the coffee date and go for the SNL (single night lay). Coffee date may work for some believe Cane did a platonic meet and greet with his gem before getting down to business. But this never worked for me. Just have an amazing dinner or drinks make them laugh sweep them off the feet and hit the hotel![/QUOTE]The first girl I met in person said she only did coffee dates first. I also saw it suggested on the reddit sugar forum. Theoretically it seems good because you don't have to sit through any awkward dinners and aren't on the hook for much besides a coffee but I also see your momentum argument. Have you had any bad dinner experiences?

I also wanted to ask how you guys filter out pros / semi pros. The first girl I did ppm with, which didn't go well, turned out to be a semi pro in that she was relying on seeking to pay her bills. She came prepared and had condoms and even lube when we got to the room. The second girl, even though she came back with me the same day, was doing seeking while going to school. While we were driving back to my place she mentioned she hadn't traveled much so she'the be much easier to impress as well while the first girl told me about a sd who took her on a private plane. I'the obviously prefer the latter but I don't see any way to determine that from chatting.

Honestly, I've found that money talks.

I don't want the BS of a girl figuring out if she's down to play after coffee. That would ruin my precious night and I don't have many to spare.

So I offer a very generous arrangement. Usually 250-300 dollars in developing countries and 400-450 in developed countries. But it's for drinks / dinner and a trip back to the hotel. All or nothing. If you do drinks but no hotel I'll cover the drinks but nothing else.

I've never had to cover only the drinks.

I also weed out girls that are clearly looking for a serious benefactor. If I see pictures in front of luxury stores and posing by fancy pools with expensive sunglasses. Next.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2678131]The first girl I met in person said she only did coffee dates first. I also saw it suggested on the reddit sugar forum. Theoretically it seems good because you don't have to sit through any awkward dinners and aren't on the hook for much besides a coffee but I also see your momentum argument. Have you had any bad dinner experiences?

I also wanted to ask how you guys filter out pros / semi pros. The first girl I did ppm with, which didn't go well, turned out to be a semi pro in that she was relying on seeking to pay her bills. She came prepared and had condoms and even lube when we got to the room. The second girl, even though she came back with me the same day, was doing seeking while going to school. While we were driving back to my place she mentioned she hadn't traveled much so she'the be much easier to impress as well while the first girl told me about a sd who took her on a private plane. I'the obviously prefer the latter but I don't see any way to determine that from chatting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2678131]The first girl I met in person said she only did coffee dates first. Theoretically it seems good because you don't have to sit through any awkward dinners and aren't on the hook for much besides a coffee but I also see your momentum argument. Have you had any bad dinner experiences?

I also wanted to ask how you guys filter out pros / semi pros.[/QUOTE]Usually some red flags are: they want to control the process by telling you how things will occur, like the girl saying she only did coffee dates first. This means she has a lot of experience on the site and wants things done her way, and she is not flexible to do things YOUR way, its a bad start. Another red flag is when you pick a restaurant to meet at and they want a more expensive restaurant. Probably NO, I tell them I pick the restaurant if I am going to pay and maybe a more expensive restaurant on a later date. Or they want money to meet, because their time is valuable or they want to know if you are serious. NO. These are methods they learn from their girlfriends of taking advantage of you. Another red flag is if they have no car and want to get in your car immediately, or want to uber to your house and you pay for uber. I tell them to pick a restaurant close to their house, and I can reimburse them for their uber fee, I do not get the uber for them, or they can have a friend drop them off or bike to the restaurant near their house. Beware, a lot of women's photos are older, slimmer, and of other people. 50% of the women on SA do not have accurate photos, or they are trying to get money from you before you meet them, and they will not show up at the restaurant at all. I used to require a phone conversation first, but few women will do that, they all want to text and swap a couple more photos, then meet in person.

Yes, GDL definitely has lot less availability on SA.

Thanks for your note MTY. I will check that city.

Let's meet in cdmx if we happen to be at CDmX at same time.

I stayed at NH collection in Centro last time. Mostly I will stick to the same unless I find any other better options.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2678077]M.

I am having great success with SA in MTY and M. City. Unfortunately it did not work that well for me in GDL. I love GDL, but was a little disappointed with the quality of the Chicas. I met some really hot girls in Tijuana from GDL, but when I arrived in GDL it was a was a let down. Great food and weather there, but for girls there are better destinations in Mxico.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2678266]Honestly, I've found that money talks.

I don't want the BS of a girl figuring out if she's down to play after coffee. That would ruin my precious night and I don't have many to spare.

So I offer a very generous arrangement. Usually 250-300 dollars in developing countries and 400-450 in developed countries. But it's for drinks / dinner and a trip back to the hotel. All or nothing. If you do drinks but no hotel I'll cover the drinks but nothing else.

I've never had to cover only the drinks.

I also weed out girls that are clearly looking for a serious benefactor. If I see pictures in front of luxury stores and posing by fancy pools with expensive sunglasses. Next.[/QUOTE]I get that. You've never left after drinks though? The second girl I met up with didn't have great photos so I wasn't sure how good she looked. Wasn't my type in person and I thought her personality was kind of off. Wouldn't have wanted to waste dinner / hotel on someone I wasn't into.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2678335]I get that. You've never left after drinks though? The second girl I met up with didn't have great photos so I wasn't sure how good she looked. Wasn't my type in person and I thought her personality was kind of off. Wouldn't have wanted to waste dinner / hotel on someone I wasn't into.[/QUOTE]No I have. But I've been a gentleman about it. In those cases I've given a generous half of the agreed upon arrangement. I've said this isn't going to work, our chemistry is not aligned, but I know you made the time for me so I'll still be happy to give you 200 dollars for your time and thank you for trying. And even then it's not all gentleman-ness. Part of it is defensive. I never want someone to complain in anger that they were harassed or something as retribution, and this is just the cost of ending things cleanly.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2678397]No I have. But I've been a gentleman about it. In those cases I've given a generous half of the agreed upon arrangement. I've said this isn't going to work, our chemistry is not aligned, but I know you made the time for me so I'll still be happy to give you 200 dollars for your time and thank you for trying. And even then it's not all gentleman-ness. Part of it is defensive. I never want someone to complain in anger that they were harassed or something as retribution, and this is just the cost of ending things cleanly.[/QUOTE]Nope! I wouldn't even do that much. I mean, I'm very clear up front that it's about drinks or dinner or whatever with no prior commitments on anybody's part (hers or mine) to do anything beyond that. I mean, what about the time you took to be there? And you're paying for whatever you drank or ate. As far as I'm concerned, that's gentlemanly enough. That pussy isn't platinum, and to be frank, my time is worth far more than hers!

What is the typical price range you pay in MTY for girl under 25?

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2678289]Yes, GDL definitely has lot less availability on SA.

Thanks for your note MTY. I will check that city.

Let's meet in cdmx if we happen to be at CDmX at same time.

I stayed at NH collection in Centro last time. Mostly I will stick to the same unless I find any other better options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2678131]I'the obviously prefer the latter but I don't see any way to determine that from chatting.[/QUOTE]I think you need more filtering questions. And as you can see from some of the other replies, it is something you will learn.

One of my favourite questions is "how is the site working out for you, tell me about the last guy you met from this site? It's a cheeky assumption that they meet others. Possible replies:

Oh, I haven't met anyone yet. (but her profiles is three years on the site). Hmm.

How dare you think I'm a prosti. (too aggressive and denial).

He was great, took me on private plane.

He was shit.

It can also be somewhat about what they don't say. Things they omit that you later realize are genuine concerns.

Would a girl that is a genuine newbie commit through Chat to meeting a stranger for dinner, sex and cash?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2678406]Nope! I wouldn't even do that much. I mean, I'm very clear up front that it's about drinks or dinner or whatever with no prior commitments on anybody's part (hers or mine) to do anything beyond that. I mean, what about the time you took to be there? And you're paying for whatever you drank or ate. As far as I'm concerned, that's gentlemanly enough. That pussy isn't platinum, and to be frank, my time is worth far more than hers![/QUOTE]That's all true and I like the approach of saying that I'm only committing to dinner or drinks and whatever happens after is fair game. But I'd be concerned that she ends it there, and I usually enter these arrangements wanting to be in total control for no other reason than my time is usually pretty limited. I don't want to waste any days. And if I decide I don't want to proceed, I have too much to lose if some off the rail girl does some crazy shit in retribution like accuse me of something.

To me this is just the price of entry for the game. I'm not really that bothered paying it so long as it's my choice.

I feel like the girls, or a lot of them, will adjust their responses according to your approach.

This time around, I've messaged girls who I messaged past time. While playing the proper sugar daddy routine. With an approach of 'I'm looking for a serious long term arrangement, with sex just being part of it' they were looking to be wined and dined. This time around, a lot of the same girls were happy at 150/200 ppm, skip the bullshit and straight to a hotel or their place.

It's like when you're on Thai Friendly or a Pina Love. All the girls are after serious relationship. But a vast majority are also up for 'St, 1500 baht / pesos, no condom and cum inside your pussy OK?

You set the tone of the communication and the girls follow your lead.

[QUOTE=GuyPerson;2676829]Visting Barcelona in May. Anybody able to shed light on what to expect in terms of ppm there?

I'd like to meet for lunch, possibly do some sight seeing then go back to her place (or maybe a short stay hotel, I'm staying at an Airbnb w / a no guest policy)..[/QUOTE]I have been in Barcelona a few times and used Seeking. The no show rate is very high so you need to do a bit of extra work and stack fall back dates. The P4 P scene is pretty much legal and the rates are super low. Like 100 or less for an hour. As a result you get quiet a varied mix on Seeking:

- Students.

- Pro's looking to get more than agency pay.

- Golden pussy.

If you are local they are generally looking for 100 - 300 ppm. For tourists PPM is typically 200 - 300 but YMMV. I chatted with a wide variety and met some at 200,300 and more. Overnight is pretty common in this rate.

When negotiating just remember a pro typically only gets 50 - 80 for an appointment so that is something you may be compared against. Many students supplemented income by working as an escort but COVID and lack of tourists stopped this. Many though meet tourists so are looking for higher rates.

Hit up Medellin and São Paulo also but didn't use seeking. If you want to see those exploits just check those forums soon.

Buenos Aires.

Buenos Aires is pretty well known to be not great for P4 P. Last time I was there I was exclusively with a Seeking Girl named Valentina and it was marvelous. So I went purely the Seeking route this time as well.

It actually can be a bit tricky the way I play it because I'm not the kinda guy who sets up redundant dates and such. I really try to be honest with the girls, including that I am only in town a couple days (usually break this news later) and so the logistics can be hard to ensure you don't end up with a date with Mr Hand. (Never have fwiw).

I started 6 weeks out. Not because that is a good idea but just because I always get excited and start browsing and one thing leads to another. I had probably 5-6 girls on pretty active chat up until about two weeks before, but let some of those fade as I focused in on two girls Becca and Lucia.

Both of these girls have GREAT English and both really fun to chat with. In the end Lucia edged out Becca by just being a bit more engaged. I think I stopped being active with Becca a few days before the trip and she was not actively courting me.

Once in town, Lucia was a bit tough to pin down on date time that evening. Got a bit worried and in fact pinged Becca that first day thinking Lucia was bagging. Becca was really nice about me springing a same day date on her but said she couldn't that first night but she could night two, so I kept this warm. I wasn't in a panic, having just banged 7 girls in Colombia (see Medellin thread soon) but I would lament an empty night nonetheless.

In the end, Lucia came through and turned out to be an amazing pick. From her pictures you could see that she was very pretty and she'the sent some unfiltered shots. Like a solid 8. But when we met at the restaurant I about dropped a load on the floor. A 10 face for me no lie. And her bod turned out to be a 9 for sure. Home run in the optics dept.

Dinner and a walk around Puerto Madero were amazing. So easy and comfortable. Two hours completely flew by! Some light kissing as the Uber arrives. Back in the room it was an OK experience but nothing to write home about. She is super beautiful but either awkward or pro trying to get straight to fucking with no BJ and really not too much effort when I went soft. 10 face 9 body and 5 in the bed. Boo a little disappointed in the end because otherwise this girl is a rockstar. But overall had a great night despite the lame sex!

We planned to meetup again the next night but I was a bit lukewarm. And she was pretty difficult about staying in touch. It wasn't clear whether we were on or off. And this was a bit of a theme with her once in town.

So about 2 Pm or so I ping Becca because Lucia is unsure. But Becca says family matters came up and she can't. At four I send Lucia a message that I want to meet her no matter what time and I can tell she's read it. No response so now onto plan see! Can't wait forever.

I start spamming all the girls I had moved to WhatApp chat but let fizzle. Probably 5-7 girls. Plus I start hitting new Seeking girls with "I going out to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" (I've used this before with success) and get 3 or 4 convos started.

But as luck would have it one of my WhatsApp girls comes back and says she'the love too. She was like number five on my list so clearly keeping a deep bench is a key strategic move. So now it's on with Meli. Woo hoo! Really quite a coup to get an 8 o'clock date at 4 o'clock! Wow. Stoked.

It turns out Meli could use a new photographer. Because she's a solid 8 with amazing natural firm the or DD cups. Beautiful face and bubbly and fun at dinner.

I feel a little bad but I use the exact same playbook as the prior night, because making reservations over the phone in Spanish is not my forte. So same restaurant leading to same walk and same Uber pickup. Dinner is quite different though because she doesn't speak a lick of English. We laugh a ton using Google translate. And her trying to say English words is nothing short of comedic. She is sooooo bad. Just literally cannot pronounce the English sounds. So fun. So much laughter and clear chemistry.

(Lucia hits me up midway through but I say I am out with colleagues.).

In the bedroom it's night and day. This girl loves to kiss, great BJ and no pillow-princess. She is very ready to rumble, submissive, and passionate.

The highlight is that I am hard to finish.

How could that be a highlight? Well after a ton of fucking I have to go pee. And when I return (pretty soft) she says "so what do you want to do". I think this is her saying "you tired me out and you didn't cum so maybe I should just go?" I have seen this once or twice. But I just say "um continuar?

Apparently that wasn't what she was saying at all! She was just asking what's my pleasure! So she gets me going and mounts up BAREBACK. Wow. She feels fucking amazing and seems to enjoy it as much as I do.

So we do some amazing fucking. LOL. Doggie, the Steve, and mish in pretty short order. Making out in mish is as usual the ticket (not all girls like this) and I pull out to shoot a few shots on her tummy which she smiles a giant smile at. Wow. That was pretty epic.

Side note: Another Seeking bareback girl!

So Buenos Aires had several great lessons to be learned. Or perhaps just reinforced:

Seeking still rocks in countries where P4 P is poor.

Starting 6 weeks out, while not recommended, has worked great several times so maybe it's not bad.

Aggressive last minute opener "I'm going out you coming" def has super high engagement rate.

Always keep the girls warm without being disingenuous. You may need them!

Girls will def see you even if they know it's only a night or two.

An 8 with a 9 performance beats a 10 with a 5 performance any day.

All in all a great time for just a two day quickie.

Do you guys who bb use prep?

Having experienced Colombia, Argentina, and Brazil, here is the summary of my dates and thoughts on the venues. Of course the summary is: if you have the coin you can get awesome girls in any of the three countries -- so long as you pick the right format for that country.

Medellin -- Primarily Facebook and Referrals.

Bella and Alejandra Duo -- Picked up at a local small club, these girls were four hours of fun and partying. The sex was just altogether OK, but having a more senior girl help coach up her younger protege on the finer points of BJ was fun. But mostly just tons of rum shots and tussi (them not me) and grinding and dancing and just having fun.

Julia -- Referral from a friend this girl is fresh and cute and built and bubbly and has the finest pussy to finger on planet earth. Her BJ is lame, but she's a nice girl and I would have repeated if I had the time.

Karen. Damn this girl has an amazing face (and good bod). She wears lots of makeup but it's working because I could look at her all day. A bit bizness-like in the bedroom, but damn she's fine. Came in Mish, which doesn't happen so often, but looking at that face. Whoa.

Kerry. Referral from a friend. Had dinner together and we just clicked chemically from the get go and I couldn't get enough. Her smile and laugh will melt you. We had amazing foreplay in the jacuzzi and the sex was just so passionate. Went touristing the next day and she helped guide me by the hand through the worst part of El Centro. Several quite nasty blocks of piss and fish smell and yikes. Plaza Botero itself is nice and feels like any city. Had an amazing pasta lunch, more amazing sex (damn the way she looks in my eyes slays me) and a mega afternoon spoon nap. I would def repeat with this girl.

Vennie Spinner. I don't even remember her name. Grabbed outside of Park Lleras. Seems so innocent but quite the little shark. Ended up haggling over condom for BJ, and other things. Basically some pretty darn good sex and a lot of arguing. Super amazing be cups on the tiniest frame you can imagine. Only bad experience in Medellin (and not completely awful on balance. She was lots of fun when we weren't arguing LOL).

Andrea. Believe another poster mentioned her. I am not usually one for sharing girls names, but if you care to dig she is a real gem. Tattooed head to toe, so if you don't like that, definite non-starter. I think they are super bad ass. And she's got a very solid woman's build -- think her ass is fake actually. So if you want a flaca look elsewhere. But if you want one of the top BJs on planet earth she's your gal. And she's sweet and passionate also. I took the upcharge and blasted twice inside 40 minutes -- and that after all the girls above in just two days. So I think that speaks to her BJ prowess.

Buenos Aries -- Seeking Arrangements Only.

Lucia. Wow this girl looks amazing. A 10 face no lie. A 9 body. Perfect English, fun to be with at dinner and walking. Just a great date. Sex pretty darn mediocre. I'd still see her again just to have that doll out with me.

Melia. We were in close chat for several weeks, but I semi-ghosted her 2 weeks out as I settled on other girls. Failed second date with Lucia (she contacted me later but it was too late) and Meli came through with 4 hours notice! Great fun date despite the language barrier. Amazing sex including swap to BBFS midway. Totally would repeat.

Sao Paulo -- Clubs.

Natalie. Scandallo. Scandallo remains amazing, but Natalie too pro for my taste. Rushed and fake. Made a mistake taking her. Guess it goes to show, the experience only works if you follow the rules. I broke several and paid the price. Still managed to squirt one out, but def not the highlight of my trip.

Maria. Damn, another keeper like Kerry. Found her at Lotus -- only four girls there, but I guess you only need one, because chemistry was off the charts from the first minute. We basically wifed up for the next two days. Amazing dinner, walks, drinks, sex. Really the whole GFE package from top to bottom.

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So what's my take on the three countries? This is all just my opinion based on quite a limited sample. YMMV.

I still think Brazil is number one if you like the face to face club scene and lots of options. Scandallo remains more pretty girls per square meter than anywhere on the planet. In comparison La Isla was distinctly lame with plastic girls and inflated prices.

Argentina is only worth a visit if you know how to navigate the Seeking Arrangements scene and enjoy the whole date experience. Top shelf girls if this is your thing and Buenos Aires is a lovely city. Very European. The Italian at Marcelo and walk after in Puerto Madero is worth the trip.

I was surprised how short and lame the BJs were in Colombia (with exception of Andrea). I found the Romanian pro girls in London and the amateur Seeking girls in the US to be decidedly better. Not sure why but it was noticeable and stood out to me.

You can find amazing real life GFE wherever you go. But it takes a bit of luck and numbers. Out of 11 girls across the three countries I found 2 girls I was happy to wife up with and another 2 who gave the in bedroom GFE we all seek. Another 5 that I was happy to have spent time with and only 2 I wished I hadn't.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2678410]What is the typical price range you pay in MTY for girl under 25?[/QUOTE]MTY $150-250, but you can negotiate for multiple sessions or overnight. No clock watching.

Mexico City $200-300.

Both places are awesome, but take some work.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2679316]Having experienced Colombia, Argentina, and Brazil, here is the summary of my dates and thoughts on the venues. Of course the summary is: if you have the coin you can get awesome girls in any of the three countries -- so long as you pick the right format for that country.

Medellin -- Primarily Facebook and Referrals.

Bella and Alejandra Duo -- Picked up at a local small club, these girls were four hours of fun and partying. The sex was just altogether OK, but having a more senior girl help coach up her younger protege on the finer points of BJ was fun. But mostly just tons of rum shots and tussi (them not me) and grinding and dancing and just having fun.[/QUOTE]Awesome summary and lot of useful information. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2679316]You can find amazing real life GFE wherever you go. But it takes a bit of luck and numbers. Out of 11 girls across the three countries I found 2 girls I was happy to wife up with and another 2 who gave the in bedroom GFE we all seek. Another 5 that I was happy to have spent time with and only 2 I wished I hadn't.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting rating system. There really are girls that we get so comfortable with so quickly. Is that a feature of them or us?

So, you all remember Miss the with whom I had great meeting while traveling.

We had been in touch and she says she can travel to me for 3 days. What are your thoughts spending 3 days with a babe?

The problem for me is that sometimes I like to be left alone. The max I have done thus far is overnight. That too only twice. Once with Miss the. The next morning, after another round of sex, I am usually thinking "ok, when are you leaving?" LOL.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2679649]So, you all remember Miss the with whom I had great meeting while traveling.

We had been in touch and she says she can travel to me for 3 days. What are your thoughts spending 3 days with a babe?

The problem for me is that sometimes I like to be left alone. The max I have done thus far is overnight. That too only twice. Once with Miss the. The next morning, after another round of sex, I am usually thinking "ok, when are you leaving?" LOL.[/QUOTE]I have done it in the past and worked really well. You and her need to have some common interested to chat about. You will be spending quite a bit of time chilling out or being out and about so need to be comfortable with that. Also you can also have separate chill time. The key factors to make the decision are:

- Can you spend a few hours together chatting and still be comfortable with each other.

- Where will you go. Picking a city makes it easier to mix up things to do and also get time alone.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2679189]Do you guys who bb use prep?[/QUOTE]I was talking to a SB this week and she said that she takes it. To be honest I typically avoid Bare unless it is someone I know and am aware they are not seeing other people.

That being said you can never be sure. So I have been thinking it is likely a very good idea. Just depends on how easy it is to source. Taking it seem pretty simple and only need to take a for a few days after fun and the few days before.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2679649]So, you all remember Miss the with whom I had great meeting while traveling.

We had been in touch and she says she can travel to me for 3 days. What are your thoughts spending 3 days with a babe?

The problem for me is that sometimes I like to be left alone. The max I have done thus far is overnight. That too only twice. Once with Miss the. The next morning, after another round of sex, I am usually thinking "ok, when are you leaving?" LOL.[/QUOTE]It all depends on whether there is chemistry. But even so, I tend to find it could be very taxing at times, since I like my own time, pace and space. However, one factor that I look for which could be very difficult to apply in many cases, are that the girl needs to be open to threesome and a bisexual as an added bonus. I have exactly such a girl in my last trip in Bogota where she is a bisexual and in fact we look for other girls together. If the girl is unwilling to do threesome and is jealous, I would not do it. I am there to have relax and have fun and not tend to their needs.

This time in Bogota, while I do had one SA girl who is open to a threesome and in fact made a recommendation of her acquaintance, she somehow no longer mentioned it nor are eager about it once she started spending the weekend with me. I am probably going to stick to a short term ppm with her instead in the future.

For those who think Seeking is too much work I'the recomend the strong opener. I crafted it using Nampa principles — have a plan, lead the girl, tell don't ask. It should work for a same night date or next day or two:

"I'm going out for a nice dinner and drinks with some amazing girl tonight. Maybe that's you? Join me. ".

1. She knows your not going to just try to take her straight to room.

2. She has to self qualify — "yes I am amazing".

3. You are going regardless.

4. You might decide if you like a period or a question mark after "join me". They feel very different. I think I prefer the command vs the question.

This definitely works and is a lot less trouble than all the long term schmoozing. Prob slightly different type of girl but worth a go if you don't want to invest a lot of time.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2679649]We had been in touch and she says she can travel to me for 3 days. What are your thoughts spending 3 days with a babe?[/QUOTE]I travelled with a SB for two weeks. Prior to the trip we discussed how to resolve our differences if / when they arose. Because I was working during the day time, she was free to look around. My requirement on her was that she had to be available to have evening meals and bed time together.

In my mind budget I was prepared to pay her a separate room or flight home if needed. She did push to that point one day but she retreated when she realized how shit her life was at home compared to swanning around in 5 star hotels.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2679812]For those who think Seeking is too much work I'the recomend the strong opener. I crafted it using Nampa principles have a plan, lead the girl, tell don't ask. It should work for a same night date or next day or two:

"I'm going out for a nice dinner and drinks with some amazing girl tonight. Maybe that's you? Join me. ".

1. She knows your not going to just try to take her straight to room.

2. She has to self qualify "yes I am amazing".

3. You are going regardless.

4. You might decide if you like a period or a question mark after "join me". They feel very different. I think I prefer the command vs the question.

This definitely works and is a lot less trouble than all the long term schmoozing. Prob slightly different type of girl but worth a go if you don't want to invest a lot of time.[/QUOTE]Independently discovered a similar technique, but one that filters out the girls that want wining and dining first. Not interested in that.

Much higher hit rate with a direct approach and a definite, soon timescale to the first meet.

Plus it also filters out the girls who are going to ask for a last minute deposit, taxi fare or childcare upfront. Because if they're going to do it, they'll do it straight away when they think they're meeting you in a couple of hours.

Get the agreement to meet you in a hotel in a couple of hours time, cancel straight away with some excuse that varies depending on the bullshit you've peddled.

Reschedule at a later date when you're ready to see them.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2679812]For those who think Seeking is too much work I'the recomend the strong opener. I crafted it using Nampa principles have a plan, lead the girl, tell don't ask. It should work for a same night date or next day or two:

"I'm going out for a nice dinner and drinks with some amazing girl tonight. Maybe that's you? Join me. ".

1. She knows your not going to just try to take her straight to room.

2. She has to self qualify "yes I am amazing".

3. You are going regardless.

4. You might decide if you like a period or a question mark after "join me". They feel very different. I think I prefer the command vs the question.

This definitely works and is a lot less trouble than all the long term schmoozing. Prob slightly different type of girl but worth a go if you don't want to invest a lot of time.[/QUOTE]I have used your recommended approach to pose a question since that will always get a reply from the girls. Anyway, here in Bogota now, and after a month of SA use, I have collected more than 100+ contacts on WhatsApp. So much so that I had to spend time to weed them out, and now it all feels like so natural to see if I want to move forward with the girl after a few conversation once it is moved from SA to WhatsApp. Girls that appear in Bogota are mostly eager to meet you and have the arrangement with the right economic benefit. I will post a more detailed report later on.

So here's my flow. Almost everything written is in Spanish, but here is the English Equivalent.

On SA:

Me: Hi, how are you?

Girl: Hi, I am good, how are you?

Me: Good, do you live in Bogota?

Girl: Yes.

Me: Which part of Bogota do you live?

Girl: I live in ABC or XYZ Zone area. (I have to ask this since I would get a feel to how long will the girl need to take to come to my place. Fluff rate is high if this girl lives far away).

Me: I live in XYZ. I would like to meet you. (Or if you want to go straight to the point, I would like to make an arrangement with you).

Girl: Sure, I would love to.

Me: Do you have WhatsApp? I can chat with you better there. I am not always on this SA app.

Girl: Sure, my number is.

On WhatsApp:

(Repeat above in various fashion, then straight to the point).

Me: I would like to discuss an arrangement with you.

Girl: Sure, what are you looking for?

Me: I would like to meet you, maybe have dinner, and follow with sexual intimacy.

Girl: (Either she would say she is not that kind of girl, or follow by more question. At this point, you know that you have the girl interested in further negotiation, especially amount etc).

Me: (I would indicate what I want at that point, but would always let the girl initiate their price. I prefer not to give them my initial price, which I learn they get offended pretty easily if it is not their expectation. Anyway, my idea is to allow the girls be satisfied with what they are expecting, and I can either move forward or not. If no, I would just play along for a bit more and ghost them. In any case, I can just be as fluff. If it is within my price range, then I would as for something extra, like maybe a longer time from them or demanding certain service like BB. In any case, that is my approach and YMMV).

[QUOTE=JJanni;2679851]Independently discovered a similar technique, but one that filters out the girls that want wining and dining first. Not interested in that.

Much higher hit rate with a direct approach and a definite, soon timescale to the first meet.

Plus it also filters out the girls who are going to ask for a last minute deposit, taxi fare or childcare upfront. Because if they're going to do it, they'll do it straight away when they think they're meeting you in a couple of hours.

Get the agreement to meet you in a hotel in a couple of hours time, cancel straight away with some excuse that varies depending on the bullshit you've peddled.

Reschedule at a later date when you're ready to see them.[/QUOTE]Care to share more about your approach? I don't understand the cancel and reschedule bit though.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2679878]Care to share more about your approach? I don't understand the cancel and reschedule bit though.[/QUOTE]I'm not even in the UK currently. I've been targeting girls in a nearby city to my UK location with basically, 'I live close so something long term is possible, however I'm actually staying over tomorrow night to get to an early meeting. Looking for someone great to keep me company at the hotel, something more long term if we click. '.

If they're going to ask for money upfront or try and sell content (I've actually met girls that sell content, so it's a red flag but not always) they usually will at that point, as the meet is so close.

My approach also weeds out the sugar babies who want to go on fifteen shopping trips before maybe fucking you. Is there anyone out there cuckold enough to be paying a girl who isn't fucking them? It also weeds out the girls I feel are too pro, who when we move to WhatsApp are straight in with the ppm and the escorty list of 'I don't like kissing, anal or bareback. '.

I feel like the immediate nature of the meet gets a high response rate. The girls get lots of messages from vague people (just like me) considering making plans to go fuck them, maybe in the next couple of weeks.

Once we've moved to WhatsApp, settled on a ppm, established what I want (namely, cumming inside then a couple of times), etc. I give it a little while and manufacture a plausible reason to cancel, usually within an hour or two of everything being settled.

So now I have a list of girls in the city of interest, vetted somewhat, with services and payment settled. When I finally decide on the girl I want most, I'll reschedule the meet, warm up a few of the other girls as backups, then actually make travel and accommodation plans.

You can hide your profile so it is not visible for people searching. Stops the spam, also good for discretion. They'll never see your profile unless you initiate contact with a message or a favorite.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2677392]I'm aware of all of the tricks these dating sites use to keep suckers on the hook. Not going to work with me as I'm tired of all of the bullshit on Seeking. It's just like you say. Foreign "women" (maybe) filling up your "favorited me" queue, scammers trying to get at your money, and greedy, lazy, arrogant women who think they're going to eat and drink on your dime and get paid to do it too, all in exchange for nothing but their "valuable time". Well fuck that! Once my three-month membership expires I'm done! If I hadn't met Abby in the early weeks, I might have just thrown in the towel much, much earlier.[/QUOTE]

Wow.

You are a professional and I tip my hat to you.

Also, about the girls who want 15 shopping trips before they'll maybe possibly f** you, does that work? Some suckers must be down for that because there are enuf of these dumb broads leading with that.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2679881]I'm not even in the UK currently. I've been targeting girls in a nearby city to my UK location with basically, 'I live close so something long term is possible, however I'm actually staying over tomorrow night to get to an early meeting. Looking for someone great to keep me company at the hotel, something more long term if we click. '.

If they're going to ask for money upfront or try and sell content (I've actually met girls that sell content, so it's a red flag but not always) they usually will at that point, as the meet is so close.

My approach also weeds out the sugar babies who want to go on fifteen shopping trips before maybe fucking you. Is there anyone out there cuckold enough to be paying a girl who isn't fucking them? It also weeds out the girls I feel are too pro, who when we move to WhatsApp are straight in with the ppm and the escorty list of 'I don't like kissing, anal or bareback.[/QUOTE]

Damn. I thought I was special but your approach mirrors mine to a T. I'm a cliche.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2679857]I have used your recommended approach to pose a question since that will always get a reply from the girls. Anyway, here in Bogota now, and after a month of SA use, I have collected more than 100+ contacts on WhatsApp. So much so that I had to spend time to weed them out, and now it all feels like so natural to see if I want to move forward with the girl after a few conversation once it is moved from SA to WhatsApp. Girls that appear in Bogota are mostly eager to meet you and have the arrangement with the right economic benefit. I will post a more detailed report later on.

So here's my flow. Almost everything written is in Spanish, but here is the English Equivalent.

On SA:

Me: Hi, how are you?

Girl: Hi, I am good, how are you?

Me: Good, do you live in Bogota?

Girl: Yes..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2679857]Me: (I would indicate what I want at that point, but would always let the girl initiate their price. I prefer not to give them my initial price, which I learn they get offended pretty easily if it is not their expectation. Anyway, my idea is to allow the girls be satisfied with what they are expecting, and I can either move forward or not. If no, I would just play along for a bit more and ghost them. In any case, I can just be as fluff. If it is within my price range, then I would as for something extra, like maybe a longer time from them or demanding certain service like BB. In any case, that is my approach and YMMV).[/QUOTE]You said that the Colombian girls often will take offense if you offer a price that doesn't meet their expectations. What kind of reaction do you typically get when you bring up bareback sex? That most certainly would offend many an American woman.

I treat my SBs very well as it's just my nature. But damn I love some of the longer term relationships you can build and having a deep Rolodex pays off.

I originally went to Vegas in 2019. Met up wit Alexa, Krystal, and one other girl. Both A and K twice. Krystal was my fave but Alexa a nice girl and a smoking 9 in my book. But the chemistry with Krystal was amazing.

So in mid pandemic 2020 I wanted to fly Krystal to Miami but she was a little hard to pin down and kinda soft ghosted me. She's moved to NYC since we met. So I pinged Alexa who was down and we had the best time. Fully one year after our brief encounter in 2019.

Now here we are in 2022 and I will be visiting Vegas. Alexa has moved too far from town but Krystal is back in Vegas. So I ping her fully expecting no response. But instead I get a let's meet up baby response. Over two years after our meetup.

I totally dig this girl — one of my ATFs. Just goes to show — treat 'them right, never officially break it off, and you can fire things up right where you left off. So both my Vegas girls pay off way after the fact. Super stoked.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2679970]You said that the Colombian girls often will take offense if you offer a price that doesn't meet their expectations. What kind of reaction do you typically get when you bring up bareback sex? That most certainly would offend many an American woman.[/QUOTE]Colombian girls take offense to a lot of things, they are so jealous. They actually make me appreciate American girls and that is hard to do.

[QUOTE=Globo;2678761]I have been in Barcelona a few times and used Seeking. The no show rate is very high so you need to do a bit of extra work and stack fall back dates. The P4 P scene is pretty much legal and the rates are super low. Like 100 or less for an hour. As a result you get quiet a varied mix on Seeking:.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel. I'm not too worried about no shows I've got the professionals as backup LOL.

I'm curious about Tinder. I'm not good looking enough to land the kind of chicks I'd want for free but maybe if they know I'm earning in USD and can buy them a nice dinner or some shit that would be enough.

Do you put something in your profile that vaguely suggests P4P is on the table. Obviously you can't come right out and say it. (Wondering in general not for a particular location).

I have seen some chicks will break their phone number up and put it in their profile I assume that's a give away your dealing with a pro.

Hey Steve,

I know you love Moscow and Brazil. I loved Moscow, so we have that in common, I was planning on making one last trip to Russia, but now that is definitely off the table. I think my visa is running out soon and I will not renew, but I had already made that decision before the war started. Rio was not for me, I would like to try Sao Paulo, but honestly I am meeting so many great girls in MTY and CDMX, no need to change.

What are your thoughts on MDE? As you know I did not like anything about the place and would never go back. I value your opinions and look forward to your report.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2680054]Colombian girls take offense to a lot of things, they are so jealous. They actually make me appreciate American girls and that is hard to do.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it is just me. The type of girls in Colombia who will hit me up look young and desirable in their profiles. The type of women from the US who would hit me up are big fuglies. Even for those that look decent are looking for a long term relationship. I am thinking, ladies, you are on the damn wrong platform. I would still go with with non-American ones at anytime.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2680054]Colombian girls take offense to a lot of things, they are so jealous. They actually make me appreciate American girls and that is hard to do.[/QUOTE]I've dealt with tons and tons of Colombian girls, all in the P4P scene, and never, ever had a lot of problems. I would take a Colombiana over a gringa any time! I have no experience dealing with them in the sugaring setting though, that's why I was asking. But in the P4P scene, I was always able to bargain no problems with nobody getting bent out of shape. Them nor me.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2679970]You said that the Colombian girls often will take offense if you offer a price that doesn't meet their expectations. What kind of reaction do you typically get when you bring up bareback sex? That most certainly would offend many an American woman.[/QUOTE]I met 5 SA girls in person in Bogota. All of them are just regular civvies.

The first one works in IT consulting manager. She probably thinks she can find a wealthy SD on the platform. Anyway, her SA profile is no longer active. We did have a good dinner and that is how I know. I did not go anywhere beyond dinner with her because I was tired that night and had a long day the next morning.

The second one was a college student in her 2nd year. Has a boyfriend but just need the extra financial help. She was on SA for only a month and I was her first ppm.

The third one workes as an office administrator and in her last year of college. Also looking for extra financial help. Also been on SA for a month or so and I was her first ppm too.

The fourth one just graduated and worked as waitress. Again, even though she might have been on it for less than a year, I was her only SD.

The fifth one have been on SA the longest. Been there for more than a year or two, and even at that point, she only had two SDs during that time period. And she works at a regular company.

One is more likely to encounter girls of that sort at least in Bogota. The cost of living has gone up for them and they need to get by with little extra cash. They don't look at themselves as prepagos or prepaid which means working girls in Colombia.

When they do this, they have a certain amount in mind to help them get through the month. So you do not want to make them feel like hookers because in their mind they are not. As such, I would just get them to offer the amount they can live with and I can justify. I would only negotiate with them for non monetary add-ONS like extra time or extra services like BB. I also note that these girls don't like to do BJ though they are more open to BB. Go figure.

Anyway, the psychology behind this is for them to be happy with what they are expecting and I can wring extra concessions as a result by indicating with I want. Again, YMMV. For BB, if they are not willing to do it, they would just say no and actually I don't feel they get offended.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2680121]I don't know if it is just me. The type of girls in Colombia who will hit me up look young and desirable in their profiles. The type of women from the US who would hit me up are big fuglies. Even for those that look decent are looking for a long term relationship. I am thinking, ladies, you are on the damn wrong platform. I would still go with with non-American ones at anytime.[/QUOTE]Correct, but for me I am not attracted to the girls in MDE at all. Mostly there attitudes, laziness and jealousy. This includes the Colombian girls I met in the states or Mexico, they usually have a bad attitude as well. I am sure the girls in Bogota are better. Love Latinos and Euros, just not Colombian.

Hi all,

I wasn't aware of this thread, but it is a gold mine of information. I would like to contribute to this thread and share my experiences.

I signed up at the beginning of this year and had 6 arrangements, both in the USA and international. Admittedly, I've screwed up a bit so far, but I have learned a lot from reading here.

First girl that I met I gave way to much 600, we did bb I think it was implied with the amount I paid her. She hit me with the price and I didn't negotiate for whatever reason grrr. I probably ended up spending close to 700 since I ordered her uber there and back. Next day I went out to dinner with an onlyfans chick mid-late 20's who I clicked great with. Spent about 200 on a shit ton of drinks, F me. She didn't ask me for anything, but I gave her 500 since I clicked so well with her. I probably could gave her less, but whatever she was enjoyable and I will hit her up in the future. Third girl I gave 500, she is extremely hot Italian 7/10 some of you guys might of give her an 8, but I'm jaded in ratings. She is over 1000 miles away, I probably won't see her again. I'm certain she gave me a fake name, plus she even told me she used some kind of burner phone number service. I still see her on seeking, but who knows for how long a lot of girls come and go. All of these meets were not in my local area, so I can't see them on a consistent basis. I messaged them about 3-4 weeks prior to traveling to the area. I probably messaged about 60-80 girls, maybe more I have to count, to get to these 3 and it truly is so much work it eats up a lot of time.

One thing I'm starting to realize is I think these girls probably would have agreed to less. I was just frustrated messaging so many girls and wanted to meet. After reading this thread, it seems like most of the guys are older on Seeking. I'm in my early 30's and in good shape, not fat, but I am ugly so I'm not sure it affects the price I offer being young, but I'm going to start now offering $200 to girls and see if they will go for it.

I used Seeking with some success in Mexico. I ended giving one girl an obscene amount that I'm not proud of, she manipulated me quite a bit which I don't care to get into details here. Seeking in Mexico City is much easier than in Guadalajara. I found that a lot of girls list their location as Guadalajara, but are not actually from there they may live in a small town a few hours away. If that's the case, only money is going to motivate them to meet up with you so find this out early if they really do live there or not. If I did this over again, I would go straight to compensation part. I found it's best to message girls about 2-3 weeks prior to your trip, don't do it any earlier I think it's a waste of time.

Next girl I saw in my home state. She messaged me first. I spent about 100 on dinner, however, I got cat fished to fkn hell. She was a good 250 pounder. I bit the lip and downed the drinks and said screw it, no ones ugly after 2 am. Finally got a freebie, but not the kind of freebie I'm proud of. I'm in a large liberal area and haven't had much success since I signed up, so that's why I agreed to it and she seemed interested in meeting.

I'm traveling to a new area in 2 weeks and got 4 girls #s who claim they want to meet me. I haven't discussed compensation with any them yet, none of them brought it up. The only thing different this time is I added some great photos to my profile so maybe it's working in my favor now. I previously was doing all this without any photos.

I messaged about 50 girls in my area and got some numbers, so I'm trying to set something up before my membership expires in the next few days. You have to be real careful what you say to these girls and do not be pushy by any means or they will ghost or block you. I send one or at most 2 messages each time and then give them a few days to powder their nose or whatever the f they're doing to reply back. Around 10 messages in you should start considering asking for the number if the conversation is going good. I've had a few girls decline and say "let's keep chatting on here" or something along those lines. Avoid them and stop talking immediately, they won't be on that site for long. Also, I recently screwed this up, but once you have the number they will inevitably ask you the 'What kind of arrangement are you looking for question?' Whenever a girl brings this up, I recommend saying something like, 'we'll I should be asking you that question. ' If you start saying you want sex on a consistent basis or something she doesn't want that's a surefire way to get ghosted, especially if they are new and only recently signed up. Make sure you know what they are looking for and don't bring up sex or compensation unless they do. I like to push for dinner and or drinks, but sometimes they don't even want that so it's a mixed bag. Also, if you do get ghosted after you offer an amount. I've had some girls that have come back from the dead if you reply back with a larger number.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2680109]Hey Steve,

I know you love Moscow and Brazil. I loved Moscow, so we have that in common, I was planning on making one last trip to Russia, but now that is definitely off the table. I think my visa is running out soon and I will not renew, but I had already made that decision before the war started. Rio was not for me, I would like to try Sao Paulo, but honestly I am meeting so many great girls in MTY and CDMX, no need to change.

What are your thoughts on MDE? As you know I did not like anything about the place and would never go back. I value your opinions and look forward to your report.[/QUOTE]My overall comparison of MDE, SP, and BA is down the page a ways. My take on MDE is that it's inexpensive and the girls are pretty but the service is not great nor the overall experience. I prefer my time with girls in this order:

Clubs. Incall. Outcall.

The best scene in MDE is Facebook outcall, so not my fave to begin with. And the service quite mediocre in my opinion. A poster below notes his SA Bogots girls don't love to BJ and I found same. Like 5 minutes is long for them.

That said you can find a gem anywhere. I was happy to shack up with Kerry as long as she'the have me. The way she looks at me. The way she's my girlfriend. Amazing. But alas. Next next.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2680187]My overall comparison of MDE, SP, and BA is down the page a ways. My take on MDE is that it's inexpensive and the girls are pretty but the service is not great nor the overall experience. I prefer my time with girls in this order:

Clubs. Incall. Outcall.

The best scene in MDE is Facebook outcall, so not my fave to begin with. And the service quite mediocre in my opinion. A poster below notes his SA Bogots girls don't love to BJ and I found same. Like 5 minutes is long for them.

That said you can find a gem anywhere. I was happy to shack up with Kerry as long as she'the have me. The way she looks at me. The way she's my girlfriend. Amazing. But alas. Next next.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. By far the worst food and service I had in my life.

For me I honestly do not feel MDE is that cheaper then Mexico. You can get a direct flight to most destinations in Mexico. Also you can negotiate cheaper rates with hotels or apartments. For example I am now paying $65 a night for a suite in San Pedro, MTY. This includes a breakfast buffet. Plus they let check out super late. Life is good.

[QUOTE=Nirec;2680174] Also, I recently screwed this up, but once you have the number they will inevitably ask you the 'What kind of arrangement are you looking for question?' Whenever a girl brings this up, I recommend saying something like, 'we'll I should be asking you that question.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your experience. This is a very good reply.

Steve.

When you meet these girls after long, do you go BB?

One of my SBs I met months ago is coming to town. I am most likely not going to BB considering she would have met other men. I don't ask her because we had a great equation when we were regular. Don't want to offend her. On the other hand, when I wrap my tool, she is probably going to roll her eyes as historically we have been BB and fucked like dogs. LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2680037]I treat my SBs very well as it's just my nature. But damn I love some of the longer term relationships you can build and having a deep Rolodex pays off.

I originally went to Vegas in 2019. Met up wit Alexa, Krystal, and one other girl. Both A and K twice. Krystal was my fave but Alexa a nice girl and a smoking 9 in my book. But the chemistry with Krystal was amazing.

So in mid pandemic 2020 I wanted to fly Krystal to Miami but she was a little hard to pin down and kinda soft ghosted me. She's moved to NYC since we met. So I pinged Alexa who was down and we had the best time. Fully one year after our brief encounter in 2019.

Now here we are in 2022 and I will be visiting Vegas. Alexa has moved too far from town but Krystal is back in Vegas. So I ping her fully expecting no response. But instead I get a let's meet up baby response. Over two years after our meetup.

I totally dig this girl one of my ATFs. Just goes to show treat 'them right, never officially break it off, and you can fire things up right where you left off. So both my Vegas girls pay off way after the fact. Super stoked.[/QUOTE]

Rule #1 - Walk away without any regrets if the girl doesn't meet standards in both attitude and price point. If you don't want to follow this, you will lose time and money. Go to rule #2.

Rule #2 - Follow Rule #1. LOL.

Jokes aside. Fellow 30 plus here. I hear your feelings and why some of those girls manipulated you. I have learned hard way. It takes a bit of seasoning to walk away with no regrets. So what if I don't get laid one of the nights? We live for another night.

That change in approach brought me more quality girls and some 8's who don't even want any money from me. They just want me to pay their flights.

[QUOTE=Nirec;2680174]Hi all,

I wasn't aware of this thread, but it is a gold mine of information. I would like to contribute to this thread and share my experiences.

I signed up at the beginning of this year and had 6 arrangements, both in the USA and international. Admittedly, I've screwed up a bit so far, but I have learned a lot from reading here.

First girl that I met I gave way to much 600, we did bb I think it was implied with the amount I paid her. She hit me with the price and I didn't negotiate for whatever reason grrr. I probably ended up spending close to 700 since I ordered her uber there and back. Next day I went out to dinner with an onlyfans chick mid-late 20's who I clicked great with. Spent about 200 on a shit ton of drinks, F me. She didn't ask me for anything, but I gave her 500 since I clicked so well with her. I probably could gave her less, but whatever she was enjoyable and I will hit her up in the future. Third girl I gave 500, she is extremely hot Italian 7/10 some of you guys might of give her an 8, but I'm jaded in ratings. She is over 1000 miles away, I probably won't see her again. I'm certain she gave me a fake name, plus she even told me she used some kind of burner phone number service. I still see her on seeking, but who knows for how long a lot of girls come and go. All of these meets were not in my local area, so I can't see them on a consistent basis. I messaged them about 3-4 weeks prior to traveling to the area. I probably messaged about 60-80 girls, maybe more I have to count, to get to these 3 and it truly is so much work it eats up a lot of time.

One thing I'm starting to realize is I think these girls probably would have agreed to less. I was just frustrated messaging so many girls and wanted to meet. After reading this thread, it seems like most of the guys are older on Seeking. I'm in my early 30's and in good shape, not fat, but I am ugly so I'm not sure it affects the price I offer being young, but I'm going to start now offering $200 to girls and see if they will go for it.

I used Seeking with some success in Mexico. I ended giving one girl an obscene amount that I'm not proud of, she manipulated me quite a bit which I don't care to get into details here. Seeking in Mexico City is much easier than in Guadalajara. I found that a lot of girls list their location as Guadalajara, but are not actually from there they may live in a small town a few hours away. If that's the case, only money is going to motivate them to meet up with you so find this out early if they really do live there or not. If I did this over again, I would go straight to compensation part. I found it's best to message girls about 2-3 weeks prior to your trip, don't do it any earlier I think it's a waste of time.

Next girl I saw in my home state. She messaged me first. I spent about 100 on dinner, however, I got cat fished to fkn hell. She was a good 250 pounder. I bit the lip and downed the drinks and said screw it, no ones ugly after 2 am. Finally got a freebie, but not the kind of freebie I'm proud of. I'm in a large liberal area and haven't had much success since I signed up, so that's why I agreed to it and she seemed interested in meeting.

I'm traveling to a new area in 2 weeks and got 4 girls #s who claim they want to meet me. I haven't discussed compensation with any them yet, none of them brought it up. The only thing different this time is I added some great photos to my profile so maybe it's working in my favor now. I previously was doing all this without any photos.

I messaged about 50 girls in my area and got some numbers, so I'm trying to set something up before my membership expires in the next few days. You have to be real careful what you say to these girls and do not be pushy by any means or they will ghost or block you. I send one or at most 2 messages each time and then give them a few days to powder their nose or whatever the f they're doing to reply back. Around 10 messages in you should start considering asking for the number if the conversation is going good. I've had a few girls decline and say "let's keep chatting on here" or something along those lines. Avoid them and stop talking immediately, they won't be on that site for long. Also, I recently screwed this up, but once you have the number they will inevitably ask you the 'What kind of arrangement are you looking for question?' Whenever a girl brings this up, I recommend saying something like, 'we'll I should be asking you that question. ' If you start saying you want sex on a consistent basis or something she doesn't want that's a surefire way to get ghosted, especially if they are new and only recently signed up. Make sure you know what they are looking for and don't bring up sex or compensation unless they do. I like to push for dinner and or drinks, but sometimes they don't even want that so it's a mixed bag. Also, if you do get ghosted after you offer an amount. I've had some girls that have come back from the dead if you reply back with a larger number.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2680312]Rule #1 - Walk away without any regrets if the girl doesn't meet standards in both attitude and price point. If you don't want to follow this, you will lose time and money. Go to rule #2.

Rule #2 - Follow Rule #1. LOL.

Jokes aside. Fellow 30 plus here. I hear your feelings and why some of those girls manipulated you. I have learned hard way. It takes a bit of seasoning to walk away with no regrets. So what if I don't get laid one of the nights? We live for another night.

That change in approach brought me more quality girls and some 8's who don't even want any money from me. They just want me to pay their flights.[/QUOTE]I am older than you chaps, and thus learned a long time ago the value (and the pleasure) of walking away from a hot girl and telling her to go fuck herself. The ones who aren't used to getting rejected are just stunned by it LOL! I remember the time I kicked a really hot girlfriend to the curb. The kind lots of guys be jerking off over. Blonde and blue and just fucking smoking hot! Chick was shocked and literally told me nobody had ever dumped her before in her life ever hahaha! Got sick and tired of her bullshit! That pussy isn't platinum! There's [B]always[/B] another piece of hot ass coming onto the scene. Somewhere. Get out there and find it men. And then fuck it! LOL! The more hot pussy you've had the pleasure of dicking down? The easier it is to walk away from some with a bad, "diva" attitude. Believe this. Oh, and then get this part. She comes back to me several months later lying about how "I got her pregnant", and I knew she was lying too as I was careful to never nut inside of her, always pulling out. And why do girls do shit like that? Because they can! Girl was just manipulative and conniving. I did well to dump her beautiful but scheming ass! I'm not that baby's daddy! So get out of my life! Hahaha!

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2680308]Steve.

When you meet these girls after long, do you go BB?

One of my SBs I met months ago is coming to town. I am most likely not going to BB considering she would have met other men. I don't ask her because we had a great equation when we were regular. Don't want to offend her. On the other hand, when I wrap my tool, she is probably going to roll her eyes as historically we have been BB and fucked like dogs. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's a tricky question. Local SB that I see regularly I always take a box of condoms to her place but always find myself deep inside of BB, condoms unopened on the side table. I always tell my self that I will use condom with her but she also knows it feels better. She takes contraception so she is not worried about CIP. I see she is active on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] again so I am staying away. I do know though that she feels so good so good. It's really hard to describe or replace that feeling wearing a condom.

For me, a new girl I will use condom. But for regulars hard to break old habits.

So like most things that start in SA there is and probably should be a clear end. I believe I just got to the end with my Nicaraguan SA girl. We spent one last weekend together in Nicaragua in my trip last week. We ended up having an entire colonial house in Granada to ourselves for 2 nights and days including a pool. I only paid for one room in the house but such is Nicaragua right now. I brought her some nice brand clothing from the states that I have access to for really low prices. I left the original full price tags on if course. She loved them and the thought behind them even though I messed up one of the sizes because I just forgot how tiny her waist is.

It was a great weekend. We pretty much swam and made out in the pool, tried out some great restaurants, talked and shagged all weekend. 6 sessions in all. We are comfortable with each other, maybe a little too comfortable which why as much as I like her I am kind of glad we have hit the natural end. By the time I return to Nicaragua she is likely to have moved back to Switzerland and the probability we are in the same city or near enough to see each other again is small. We both know this and have exchanged WhatsApps wishing each other well and grateful for the times we were able to spend together. I will remember her fondly. Willing to out up with my bad but improving Spanish. Not needy. Respectful of my personal life and discretion. Passionate and genuine sex that I will remember fondly for a long time. I am fairly certain she feels the same way. If we do happen to cross in Nicaragua or Europe again I expect we will spend a wonderful night together for old times sake. For me this is the model for what SA should be and can be. Now I will need to hunt for another Nicaraguan and hope I get as lucky.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2680137]When they do this, they have a certain amount in mind to help them get through the month. So you do not want to make them feel like hookers because in their mind they are not. As such, I would just get them to offer the amount they can live with and I can justify. I would only negotiate with them for non monetary add-ONS like extra time or extra services like BB. I also note that these girls don't like to do BJ though they are more open to BB. Go figure.

Anyway, the psychology behind this is for them to be happy with what they are expecting and I can wring extra concessions as a result by indicating with I want. Again, YMMV. For BB, if they are not willing to do it, they would just say no and actually I don't feel they get offended.[/QUOTE]Funny how you and Steve say the same thing. I have not found that to be true, but I will say that sometimes women place more value on things they consider intimate. I know women who would fuck other guys but only kiss their significant other. I agree Colombians are not as good as Brazilians with oral (who is?) But I was thinking about the Colombian women I dated and was very close to, and they loved giving oral. So to me, what may be going on is that BJs are for them with intimacy what for other women would be kissing.

I could be wrong, but it is just a thought.

Also, I think the coastal women (costenas) do much better with oral than those in Bogota or Medellin.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2680528]For me this is the model for what SA should be and can be. Now I will need to hunt for another Nicaraguan and hope I get as lucky.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the valuable reminder on why we use SB. As much work goes into a successful start as a successful completion. I usually include a discussion on how things 'end' in the first coffee chat with a SB.

How do you guys bring up bb / cip without spooking them? Multiple posts have advised not to bring up sex or compensation. Is bb something you only do with regular sb?

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2680772]How do you guys bring up bb / cip without spooking them? Multiple posts have advised not to bring up sex or compensation. Is bb something you only do with regular sb?[/QUOTE]I don't ever discuss any sexual details. I just let it flow. If she tries to give me a covered BJ we going to be done. But only had 1 out of 30+ Seeking girls try that. As far as BBFS it just happens. And more often than I would have expected. Actually two times it happened because it was period sex and then we just kept at it after that. I never CIP unless it's period sex.

Of the three Seeking girls I've seen in last two weeks, one was covered, one changed to bareback after a mid session restroom break, and one went straight in bareback on first mount up. So YMMV. But it's been a lot ever since I became open to it. Oh and these three were all brand new. Initial dinner date and fuck after.

Well once again the last ditch effort paid off. I was traveling in a mid-tier city and not really planning to do anything but last minute thought why not. Spammed 8-10 girls with the strong opener and got three bites. Literally my first message went out and was responded to at 4 PM and we were having dinner at 7 and fucking at 10. Really hot slim girl with firm and lovely see cups. Really sweet and personable at dinner and a bar bounce. But then a wild woman in bed and dying to fuck bareback from minute 1. Really nice time.

Once again will say if you don't like all the cat and mouse of Seeking, just say your going out and they should join you. Hasn't failed me yet. Scored same day lays each time.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2681039]Well once again the last ditch effort paid off. I was traveling in a mid-tier city and not really planning to do anything but last minute thought why not. Spammed 8-10 girls with the strong opener and got three bites. Literally my first message went out and was responded to at 4 PM and we were having dinner at 7 and fucking at 10. Really hot slim girl with firm and lovely see cups. Really sweet and personable at dinner and a bar bounce. But then a wild woman in bed and dying to fuck bareback from minute 1. Really nice time.

Once again will say if you don't like all the cat and mouse of Seeking, just say your going out and they should join you. Hasn't failed me yet. Scored same day lays each time.[/QUOTE]Interesting approach Steve. How do you screen for a girl that is up for sex that first night? That seemed to be a key part of your process (off-line of course). You had discreet ways of bringing up that you were looking for intimacy.

Suspecting this to be a scam, since each time anyone initiated a contact and carry on a conversation, she would always dive into what I do and then follow with her mentioning that she is into cryptocurrency investment. Trying to get me interested and in most cases I would just mention I don't know much and not interested in such activities, and the conversation will slowly die away.

Anyone encountering this type of contacts from women in the US?

My arrival in the UK is imminent. I've managed to narrow it down to two girls I have a primary interest in.

Girl A is a chavvy single mum. 20.5'2 with a pleasantly large add. What we'd term in the UK a benefits queen. Get knocked up young, get a house off of the government. Have videochatted, lied to her that I was on the way to meet her in an hour. Nothing, no content, no childcare etc etc. I think she's genuine. She's agreed to 100 ppm, at her place, no time limit. BBFSCIP. She's into slow and sensual sex, nothing degrading.

She's on my doorstep too. Probably see her a couple of times.

Girl be. A chavvy / alty 19 year old, tiny brunette uni girl. Likes her soft drugs. Into hard and degrading sex. Has sent me videos of her getting gagged on a dick, pissing, stripping, getting fingered hard and deep. I've had it confirmed from other mongering sources that she's real and does meet. She's a little more experienced than girl A and in it for money and enjoyment of degrading sex.

Not on my doorstep. 30 40 minutes away. Can't host. Confirmed to be a little flakey so I'll have backup options. 150 ppm no time limit. BBFSCIP.

So, as you can see, I continue to use Seeking vary differently from you guys. I'm not after the sugar babe experience, wining and dining. I just want raunchy sex with chavvy, slutty girls.

I think I'm onto a winner with these two.

I just got banned for "soliciting prostitution" on their website. Then I got an email that said they banned me from their sister websites and "reserved the right" to turn me in to local authorities. Has anyone ever been turned in or had bad action other than being banned?

Decided to spend a bit of time away working remotely while checking out life in Bogota. My other objective was to experience personally what some of these regular girls can offer primarily through SA. This is my second trip to Bogota.

There is definitely a lot of work that needs to be done on SA, and for me, it is a learning process. Many have reported that it is just too much work on SA without the sight of quick return. I would agree especially if the preferred method is to bang as many girls with least minimal effort.

It will be very difficult to meet and get the girl that one want and willing to have sex with on a short notice on SA. However, if one is of the type who prefer companionship with sexual intimacy, SA could be a potential avenue to explore.

A month prior to my trip, I had started to collect the girls contact info. So much so, I have more girls willing to meet than I have time for them. Naturally, I will prioritize girls who are showing more interest in me than simply ignoring me beyond a simple greeting. Probably in hindsight, it is not the best approach, but without much prior experience, I work with with what I have.

These were the girls that I met in person.

[B]SA Girl #1[/B]

Got a message from this SA girl on my first evening in Bogota. I was surprised that she kept tab of when I would be in Bogota based on my last conversation almost a month back and with whom I had never chatted since.

I gave this girl a wider berth since she seemed to be fluent in English, and as I did not feel like eating dinner alone. She happened to be in the area on a medical visit when she chatted with me and I invited her over for a dinner. We had a pretty good dinner date and did not do anything beyond that since I was tired and would have a important meeting that I need to prepare for the next day. So we parted after dinner but kept the option of seeing each again open over the weekend.

[B]SA Girl #2 [/B]

She is probably one of the most enthusiastic lot given how she would check in on me regularly even prior to reaching Bogota. She is in her early 20's and looked cute in the picture that she sent me and I imagined that she has a nice pair of boobs underneath.

I had a few hours to spare during daytime after lunch and scheduled a time for her to come. I met her in a coffeeshop near my apartment before heading back together.

I made a noobie mistake of not clarifying on the service that I wanted before our meeting. So when she asked for protection while we were making out, I did not want to insist on BB on her. Anyway, her tits were simply boobalicious. Also, this was the first time I was with any girl who can really squirt. I was taken back when her pussy juice were spraying all over my bed and I had to scramble for a towel to contain this mess.

I asked if she has sex with many other people afterwards but said she only have sex with her boyfriend. I had seen her boyfriend in her WhatsApp post in the past. She wanted to see me again, I told her only if she is willing to go BB the next time which she agreed. She was a college student and was on SA for only a month and I was her first encounter.

Alas, I did not have the time for the second meet, since I had so many other girls that I want to try out with my somewhat limited time.

[B]SA Girl #3 [/B]

I had this Girl #3 the next day who is in her mid-20's. She was almost as enthusiastic as Girl #2. This time I learned from the earlier mistake, and told her that I wanted BB before agreeing for her to come by in the evening, and she agreed.

I asked her to send me her photo to be taken at that moment and unfiltered, which she did shortly. She did not look that great in that photo but was not too bad either. So I told her to come over to my apartment after her restaurant shift in the evening.

When she arrived, she looked much cuter in person than in her photo. I was attracted by her smile and that almost innocent girl next door look. Before the deed, we showered together because I wanted to go down on her and also expecting reciprocity. She was one of the only SA girl where I received a BJ and a decent one too. The sex was only okay.

I asked her how long she had done this and she mentioned that I was her first SD with an expected meet up with another SD the following month.

Anyway, after sex, I was hungry and we walked to Zona T where there were plenty of good restaurants. During dinner, I asked if she has friends and she hinted if I was interested in a threesome and I mentioned I would like it only if she is comfortable with it.

Then she showed me a photo of this girl (SA Girl #5) whom I recognize from one of the SA girls that I had communicated earlier. At that moment, I was thinking maybe I can have her spend the weekend with me while giving me the option of exploring other girls while she was with me. I offered her the arrangement for her to stay with me over the weekend and she agreed. On hindsight, it was probably a mistake as I was hoping to replicate the fun times that I used to have with this Colombian bisexual girl in my previous trip.

At that moment, I forgot that I have already a meet with SA Girl #4 that evening for a dinner and sex. I did not want to cancel of that girl since she looked so pretty in that picture that she sent me and a really nice pair of rack. Plus she had also agreed to BB. So, I reshuffled our meet to noon the next day.

Girl #3 showed up on my apartment the next evening after work, and we had a quickie before heading over to the Irish pub in Zona T to meet up with a new ISG member and a friend who happened to be in Bogota at that time. After a few drinks there, my friends and us headed over to the Lio bar and had a wild night partying in that club. I was completely wasted that night and the girl and I both woke up with a huge hangover the following day.

Anyway, without dragging out the boring details, the longer this girl stayed with me the less that I like her. That initial infatuation that I felt for her wore off. Many small details added up to big ones that would prevent me from ever wanting her to stay any longer than a meet in the future.

[B]SA Girl #4 [/B]

She is only 19 but, oh boy, she was the best screw among all the SA girls. I say SA girls, since I actually had better sessions with the escort agency girls, which I will write up below.

Anyway, I rescheduled our meet to noon that Saturday since I have asked Girl #3 to come that evening to accompany me that night through the weekend.

This girl wanted me to send her an Uber which I did. For a 10-mile ride, the total trip took an hour on a weekend. This gives you an idea of how bad Bogota's traffic is.

I met her in front of the building and we headed for lunch together to a restaurant nearby since I was hungry. She was shy and almost quiet during this whole encounter. When she took off her mask, I was actually disappointed that she was not as attractive as her photo. Still attractive but not as good.

After lunch, we headed back to my apartment and we were in the apartment, this girl transformed into a wild one in bed. She would kiss me passionately and as soon as our clothes were off, she would dry hump me as I fondled and sucked on her big natural tits and my dick got super hard real fast. Just as soon, she took off of her underwear, climbed on top of me and slid my dick into her pussy. She would gyrate her hips and those internal friction made me came before long. As I came into her pussy and she would continue to gyrate non-stop until I have to eventually stop her as I can't take it any longer.

We chatted for a while and 10 minutes in, and my dick would get hard again. She would grab it and started to ride me. Coming twice in a single day is somewhat of a rarity for me these days. Making me come twice in a span of an hour requires a real skillset from that girl. I came into her again but at that point, it was probably just blanks. Let's hope that she does not claim to be pregnant in a few months.

[B]SA Girl #5[/B]

This girl was on SA the longest and told me she had two SD before me with the platform. Turned out that she was a Venezuelan. I conducted the same protocol with this girl, unfiltered photo and if she is okay with BB. One thing that struck me was she said that even though she took great care of herself, she was willing to do it with me. We agreed to meet and have her come to my apartment that evening. Anyway, this girl turned out to be a real disaster in bed, which I would explain later.

At this time, I had not yet has a chance to use the service of my go-to escort agency eroticasbogota, and I wanted to sample their girls again while in Bogota.

So I texted them and picked Diana who was able to do CIM as an extra service. She showed up at my apartment in the afternoon, and she was this cute spinner with a beautiful balanced sets of body and tits. Very passionate and GFE and I told her that I wanted to CIM before I screw her and she obliged.

I did not get a chance to do a CIM so far, and that was the best come that I had so far in this trip. For a minute or so as she sucked them all up, I thought that she might swallow it until she gestured for a permission to go to the bathroom to spit them out. We continued with more banging afterwards. Overall, it was a good session and the girls from eroticasbogota rarely disappoint.

I got a few hours to recuperate before my next meet with SA Girl #5.

I told this girl to be at my apartment at 6 pm and given that she lives at Chapinero, I thought it would not take too much time. 30 minutes in, she said she was still on her way and she showed me a screen shot of where she was and how much more time it would take to reach my apartment.

To my surprise, her screen shot was showing it to be still 50 minutes away and what is worse, it was showing how long it would be to walk to my place. WTF. I told her to grab an Uber and I will pay for it which she immediately did.

When she got to my apartment, we spent a good time chatting and she was a pretty upbeat girl. I was not ready to dive straight into sex since I had already done so a few hours earlier with Diana.

My friend texted me then and asked me if I would like to grab dinner or a drink since I will be flying back the next day. I said yes and told him that I will be bringing along this girl. By the time we wrapped up our dinner, it was 9 pm. The girl mentioned to me earlier that she need a hard stop at 11 PM. I offered her extra if she can stay later or until the next morning, and she was adamant that she can't and had to leave no latter than 11 PM as previously agreed with me.

Since I wanted to know how it was like to bang this girl, I had to cut the meeting with my friend short and hurried back to my apartment on taxi. I really didn't like the rush. Anyway, when we got to my apartment, we stripped and she asked me what I would like. I said let's start with a BBJ and then a BB. She resisted with the BB initially until I showed her our previous text on WhatsApp. Alas, it was for nothing, since after I poked my dick into her pussy, I smelled something was not right, and I meant that literally. Her pussy had this unbearable stench, and I just dipped my dick into that stench.

I stopped all activities and went to the bathroom to wash it off with a wet towel. Still that stench remained, and I had to take a shower and probably used my body wash three times to get rid of that smell. I have to say that a stinky pussy is like a kryptonite.

Given it was my last night, I did not want to end my trip with this stench. I texted eroticasbogota to see if they can still send a girl over to me at this hours, and they said yes and one can arrive in 30 minutes. After that, I stepped out of the bathroom and while the girl was still wondering what was going on, I paid her and gave her taxi money and told her that I need her to leave in 5 minutes. She did but was still wondering what was going on. Anyway, that will be the last time I will be seeing her.

About 30 minutes later, Hanna from the agency came. The front desk called me if it is ok to let her up and I said yes. Hanna was just as adorable as Diana and her service was just as good.

I was glad that I was able to leave Bogota with a still favorable experience and had these agency girls come to the "rescue" when needed.

Anyway, this is my first experience with SA girls and I thought of sharing this with everyone.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2681089]Suspecting this to be a scam, since each time anyone initiated a contact and carry on a conversation, she would always dive into what I do and then follow with her mentioning that she is into cryptocurrency investment. Trying to get me interested and in most cases I would just mention I don't know much and not interested in such activities, and the conversation will slowly die away.

Anyone encountering this type of contacts from women in the US?[/QUOTE]All the time. Nothing but a pure scam! I mean, how many 20+ year-olds do you know who are financial gurus who got rich investing in cryptocurrencies and such? If it was that easy, don't you know everybody would be doing it? No, what most hot girls do it look for a man to take care of their asses. Things got to the point that if anybody mentioned that to me, or said something about that in their profile, it was an immediate block!

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2681102]I just got banned for "soliciting prostitution" on their website. Then I got an email that said they banned me from their sister websites and "reserved the right" to turn me in to local authorities. Has anyone ever been turned in or had bad action other than being banned?[/QUOTE]Many including myself have been banned. I once also received a requirement to sit through 10 minutes of good behaviour videos before I could login again. I have seen the "reserved the right" message but maybe I didn't bother reading it in enough detail.

I am sharing some of the red flags that I had encountered in SA and transition to WhatsApp.

- Pay special attention to initiation of contact from the girl who would then want to transition to WhatsApp, and then finding that message thread disappear from your message list the next day.

- On WhatsApp, she would appear to so caring to be the point of being annoying, questions like "How's your day? Did you have a good rest? Have you eaten yet? Etc etc. " Maybe if she claimed to be an Asian, that could fit into the profile, but to say that she is an European who happened to be living in the US, yeah right. Anyway, even for Asian girl, I would still look at it with suspicion.

- Saying that she is into cryptography or XYZ investment, that is another red flag to hook you in.

So a girl in the US initiated a chat with me last night on SA and we moved to WhatsApp last night and this girl claimed to be a Dutch who happened to living with her relatives now in the US. The next day, she chatted with me again, except this time, I tried to check up on her contact info in WhatsApp. I guessed she (or maybe even a he) failed to remove the "About Me" section and there were Chinese text that said 线 上 which means online. I probed her by trying to chat up with her in Dutch (courtesy of translate app) and she began to question me on my insincerity yadiyada. She never replied to me in Dutch and she said she did not know any Chinese. I checked back the message section on SA, that message thread was gone. Anyway, I blocked her ass on my WhatsApp.

I had also encountered other instances where the girl would say she is from HongKong or some other Asian countries and then after a few idle chat, asked me what I do and then said she is into cryptocurrency or other BS investment etc. Anyway, I always put them on my ignore list.

Feels like a scam that they want to reel you in initially. I could be a cynics, but has anyone ever encountered this before?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2681236]
Feels like a scam that they want to reel you in initially. I could be a cynics, but has anyone ever encountered this before?[/QUOTE]The crypto scam Asians have been all over the place since more than 12 months (SA, Tinder) some of them play a pretty long game with a lot of chatting but all their personal stories are made up.

Encountered many like this. Exact modus operandi as you explained.

One example: a 20 something Chinese girl based in Hongkong makes a million / year selling wine.

Wanted me to invest into some stock trading platform (meta trader). I asked her send a video message saying my name. End of story. LOL.

I even came accross very similar scammers on Tinder as well.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2681236]I am sharing some of the red flags that I had encountered in SA and transition to WhatsApp.

- Pay special attention to initiation of contact from the girl who would then want to transition to WhatsApp, and then finding that message thread disappear from your message list the next day.

- On WhatsApp, she would appear to so caring to be the point of being annoying, questions like "How's your day? Did you have a good rest? Have you eaten yet? Etc etc. " Maybe if she claimed to be an Asian, that could fit into the profile, but to say that she is an European who happened to be living in the US, yeah right. Anyway, even for Asian girl, I would still look at it with suspicion.[/QUOTE]

I think I mentioned before my fave position I call The Steve just because I've never seen a name for it. It is absolutely the best but most girls are unfamiliar with it. It is amazing because:

It's like mish but you don't get tired.

You can def fuck forever like this.

You can watch the slide in and out action.

You can optionally lean over and make out.

You can do the dick to clit massage thing so easy.

Girls love it.

I am surprised how when I stand up, grab my girls ankles and haul her to the edge of the bed they are always surprised. Like they have never done it before. Even fairly pro girls. It is the most under rated position on the planet.

Technique. Stand at edge of bed. Have girl roll on her back. Grab her ankles and pull her down till pussy is at edge of bed. Feet in air spread wide. Spread your legs till you lower enough to line up pussy with dick. And voila in you go. Lean over from time to time to make out. Pull out and dick clit massage from time to time and plunge deep again.

I promise you will love this position if you have not done it before. Let us know how it goes!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2681426]I think I mentioned before my fave position I call The Steve just because I've never seen a name for it. It is absolutely the best but most girls are unfamiliar with it. It is amazing because:

It's like mish but you don't get tired.

You can def fuck forever like this.

You can watch the slide in and out action.

You can optionally lean over and make out.

You can do the dick to clit massage thing so easy.

Girls love it.

I am surprised how when I stand up, grab my girls ankles and haul her to the edge of the bed they are always surprised. Like they have never done it before. Even fairly pro girls. It is the most under rated position on the planet.[/QUOTE]That's seen in porn all the time. Don't know why any girl would act like it's something novel. It's not. Maybe they haven't watched a lot of porn? LOL! I like to do something similar, only I like them on all fours "perro-style" at the edge of the bed. The Cane? LOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2681426]I think I mentioned before my fave position I call The Steve just because I've never seen a name for it. It is absolutely the best but most girls are unfamiliar with it. It is amazing because:

It's like mish but you don't get tired.

You can def fuck forever like this.

You can watch the slide in and out action.

You can optionally lean over and make out.

You can do the dick to clit massage thing so easy.

Girls love it.

I am surprised how when I stand up, grab my girls ankles and haul her to the edge of the bed they are always surprised. Like they have never done it before. Even fairly pro girls. It is the most under rated position on the planet.[/QUOTE]Hey Steve,

That is also a position of choice for me although if the bed is low I do get a crap after a while and need to reposition. Oddly enough I always kinda thought of it as modified Missionary.

But henceforth I shall refer to it by its proper name The Steve.

[QUOTE=Globo;2681453]Hey Steve,

That is also a position of choice for me although if the bed is low I do get a crap after a while and need to reposition. Oddly enough I always kinda thought of it as modified Missionary.

But henceforth I shall refer to it by its proper name The Steve.[/QUOTE]So Cane's comment that it's super common made me poke around. Definitely no consensus on name. Some say table top. Some say Edge of Bed. And it appears Butterfly might be the most elegant term. I'm going to continue to go with The Steve since I guess I am not sex educated enough and just made it up one time. Anyhow. Butterfly or The Steve. It's the BEST by any other name.

[QUOTE=TeFab456;2681288]The crypto scam Asians have been all over the place since more than 12 months (SA, Tinder) some of them play a pretty long game with a lot of chatting but all their personal stories are made up.[/QUOTE]To add legitimacy they will be using legitimate pics and stories from real girls so they a have a daily feed of new pics.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2681476]So Cane's comment that it's super common made me poke around. Definitely no consensus on name. Some say table top. Some say Edge of Bed. And it appears Butterfly might be the most elegant term. I'm going to continue to go with The Steve since I guess I am not sex educated enough and just made it up one time. Anyhow. Butterfly or The Steve. It's the BEST by any other name.[/QUOTE]I did this position with the first girl I had sex with kind of on accident. Pushed her backwards on to the bed and did it. Finding a bed the right height is the hardest part though LOL. It's the only way I like miss.

I was in a smaller city this weekend and planned to meet up with two girls. I did not discuss price with them prior. The first girl is 26 said she is a student. We planned on meeting up at a cafe, but only communicated with her by text which was my mistake so I got stood up. I should have called her a day prior before meeting. Fast forward to later that night, went out with girl #2 24 years old. She was with me at dinner for about 2 hours we were having a good time. Went back to the hotel and I started to kiss her on the neck and boobs. She didn't want to make out with me because it's not her thing, OKI get it you don't want to make out with me. I had her top off when she asked me about money. This girl was expecting me to give her $1000 wtf. She said her last arrangement was giving her 1500 per meet. Who is out here paying girls 1500 for sex? She left after I offered her a few hundred and sounded insulted saying crap like a guy who makes X could afford it. My subscription on seeking expired and I'm not renewing. It just doesn't seem worth it in the US. Other countries works great, but there is too much golden pussy syndrome in the US.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2680308]Steve.

When you meet these girls after long, do you go BB?

One of my SBs I met months ago is coming to town. I am most likely not going to BB considering she would have met other men. I don't ask her because we had a great equation when we were regular. Don't want to offend her. On the other hand, when I wrap my tool, she is probably going to roll her eyes as historically we have been BB and fucked like dogs. LOL.[/QUOTE]Had one who hinted after our first time of sex it wasn't necessary. She was seeing 1-2 other guys. Then after a few meets said she was taking the pill, dropping it as a hint. By that time I was her only one (she said). Never had a meet to try it out.

Then there one which let to BB one the first meet with sex. She was one top and just slid it in, and I didn't ask / protest. After sex she wsaid she was on the pill and there was nothing to worry. She was seeing two other guys but not frequent.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2680772]How do you guys bring up bb / cip without spooking them? Multiple posts have advised not to bring up sex or compensation. Is bb something you only do with regular sb?[/QUOTE]

I don't, I leave it to the lady to let it know when she feels comfortable doing it. And if it does come up it has to be somebody I'm planning to see frequent.

Finally had a solid SA experience. Had a first date with a girl last week. Cute, early 20's with a nice behind. Had met for coffee the previous week and had gone fine. A few hours before she texts to confirm ppm and asks if I'the been tested. Said I had in Feb, she had as well. When clothes started coming off she said she was ok with bb and said she was on the pill so I cip. I was a little surprised at how comfortable she was with it. Afterwards I asked her if she was seeing anyone else and she said not at the moment, same for me. Told her I didn't mind if she did but I'the want to know and use protection if she was. I'm still a little worried she could be lying about the pill so pull out next time. Planning on seeing her next weekend, hoping it could be regular.

I know initial coffee platonic date isn't recommended but it makes planning much easier for me. Got a reservation at a nice place, hotel 5 minutes away. The ambiguity and logistics stress me out on first meets when I'm not sure what they're down for.

This was also the first time I took v. It definitely helped but I'm a little sad I needed it even with bb barely over 30. Does it affect your sensation at all? I wasn't really sure. Are you guys able to have sex without it? I don't want it to be a crutch either.

[QUOTE=Nirec;2681726] I had her top off when she asked me about money. This girl was expecting me to give her $1000 wtf. She said her last arrangement was giving her 1500 per meet. Who is out here paying girls 1500 for sex? She left after I offered her a few hundred and sounded insulted saying crap like a guy who makes X could afford it..[/QUOTE]There is some history in this forum of wanting to address the money issue well before the bedroom scene. Males are terrible at negotiating when they have a raging hard cock. It's a fine line though between discussing too early and sounding like a punter.

How far advanced I should get the pay membership and having line up?

I plan a trip to Mexico City and Panama city in Late April / Early May.

It seems promising using SA to get bbfscip with semi-pro or civi girl while having overseas trip.

So I should say upfront what I want so no confusion correct?

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2681546]To add legitimacy they will be using legitimate pics and stories from real girls so they a have a daily feed of new pics.[/QUOTE]Although I love Chinese girls, I won't even talk to them now on these apps. All are BS, not willing to wade through the amount of BS to find one that might be real.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2681236]I am sharing some of the red flags that I had encountered in SA and transition to WhatsApp.

- Pay special attention to initiation of contact from the girl who would then want to transition to WhatsApp, and then finding that message thread disappear from your message list the next day.

- On WhatsApp, she would appear to so caring to be the point of being annoying, questions like "How's your day? Did you have a good rest? Have you eaten yet? Etc etc. " Maybe if she claimed to be an Asian, that could fit into the profile, but to say that she is an European who happened to be living in the US, yeah right. Anyway, even for Asian girl, I would still look at it with suspicion.

-[/QUOTE]Here's my story and I can totally relate to what you just posted above, with the annoying, fake caring like questions:

Here's the SA profile of the fraudster, con artist that scammed me, she changes it every month or so after scamming a bunch of people, BEWARE.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b7d441c9-e6c4-4199-90d5-51c9b6fe511e[/URL]

So I met this lady from Seeking Arrangement Dubai last night, my first SA Dxb experience, and it was a fucking nightmare. I'll keep it brief and will then throw in a question for you guys in order to get some sage advice:

So met the lady, a pushy, middle aged French Woman, decent looking at best. Met her for dinner, she asked for 1500 'allowance' and claims to have a regular job and not to be an escort (yeah right). She was much less attractive in person compared to her pics, but still fuckable, although not by much. So we had dinner, she was decent company. We had agreed that if we like each other somewhat, we'd proceed after dinner to my apartment for some 'intimate time' (got to love the SA euphemisms). So off we went to my apartment, and she quickly changed to get into bed. This is where it gets fucked up.

So once in bed and when I proceeded to join her, she gets hit by a headache and has low energy and isn't feeling well. She says she wants to take a nap for 15 to 30 minutes, sets her alarm clock to 15 min intervals to wake herself up. This goes on for about an hour and she is asleep, saying she doesn't feel well. Then she wakes up and asks for her 'allowance', which I like a dumb retard proceed to give her and she goes for another nap. At this time I can tell something is wrong and I am not going to see any action. I didn't want drama with her or a confrontation, although should have held my ground and decided to tell her that let's call it a night and she can go home as she does not well. So I lost 1500, an expensive dinner and didn't see any action. It was so fucking frustrating. I don't know if it was a scam and it could be entirely possible that she wasn't feeling well, but what pisses me off is that she still had the nerve to ask for her allowance when she knew she was not feeling well or whatever. So that was that. She never contacted me after that and neither did I, I knew I had scammed but rather than lash out at her, I decided to let karma sort her out.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2682026]Here's my story and I can totally relate to what you just posted above, with the annoying, fake caring like questions:

Here's the SA profile of the fraudster, con artist that scammed me, she changes it every month or so after scamming a bunch of people, BEWARE.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b7d441c9-e6c4-4199-90d5-51c9b6fe511e[/URL]
[/QUOTE]At least she had the "decency" to actually show up, unlike most scammers. But, I simply cannot believe you gave her the money. That's the kind of thing that makes it worth it for these crooks to do it again. Headache or not, I would have told her time to leave! Have a headache? That's your problem. Now get out! Unbelievable. The level of fraud on Seeking is just out of control, and definitely turned me off to the whole thing. When it's all said and done, I'm definitely [B]not[/B] a convert Steve. It started out great in the first couple of weeks, but all downhill from there. Final thoughts to come later.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2682026][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b7d441c9-e6c4-4199-90d5-51c9b6fe511e[/URL][/QUOTE]So, I checked out the link that Blood Red shared with us and? This scam artist "favorited" me and then introduced herself as a French woman living in Dubai LOLOLOL! I blocked her ass hahaha! Well, at least she isn't lying about where she lives, like so many of these women do. But, she's been "outed", at least here on this site. Wish it happened more often and in wider circles to where these scam artists get exposed and their trade ruined.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2682044]At least she had the "decency" to actually show up, unlike most scammers. But, I simply cannot believe you gave her the money. That's the kind of thing that makes it worth it for these crooks to do it again. Headache or not, I would have told her time to leave! Have a headache? That's your problem. Now get out! Unbelievable. The level of fraud on Seeking is just out of control, and definitely turned me off to the whole thing. When it's all said and done, I'm definitely [B]not[/B] a convert Steve. It started out great in the first couple of weeks, but all downhill from there. Final thoughts to come later.[/QUOTE]You are correct Sir, I was a fucking retard that night. Lesson learned the hard way. Regarding her showing up, she showed up to get the money. No show, no money.

I'm going to venture into Monterrey Mexico based on all the hype from the posters here. I'll plan for a week long trip the first week of July. I'm more of quality over quantity so a new girl every 1-2 days is good enough for me. When I solidify plans, my MO is dinner, drinks, and overnights. For those of you guys who have had experience, where is good upper end hotel to stay in that is girl friendly? I'm more fond of business type hotels (think NH Hotels) since it's easier to close the deal if I am staying at nice place.

[QUOTE=KingOfPoverty;2682258]I'm going to venture into Monterrey Mexico based on all the hype from the posters here. I'll plan for a week long trip the first week of July. I'm more of quality over quantity so a new girl every 1-2 days is good enough for me. When I solidify plans, my MO is dinner, drinks, and overnights. For those of you guys who have had experience, where is good upper end hotel to stay in that is girl friendly? I'm more fond of business type hotels (think NH Hotels) since it's easier to close the deal if I am staying at nice place.[/QUOTE]Both Mexico City and MTY are great. Honestly, Mexico City is better and there the sky is the limit there. Definitely more expensive, but so much fun.

MYY is easier and girls are total freaks. Another plus is you can easily call escorts, in MTY. Escorts are much more expensive in.

M. City.

I stay at the NH and love it. Great location. I work out a deal with the manager and they give me a suite now super cheap. Another great thing is there is a separate entrance at the restaurant, so you can take girls up that way and you do not have to pass the front desk. They just reopened this entrance, so good.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2682281]Both Mexico City and MTY are great. Honestly, Mexico City is better and there the sky is the limit there. Definitely more expensive, but so much fun.

MYY is easier and girls are total freaks. Another plus is you can easily call escorts, in MTY. Escorts are much more expensive in.

M. City.

I stay at the NH and love it. Great location. I work out a deal with the manager and they give me a suite now super cheap. Another great thing is there is a separate entrance at the restaurant, so you can take girls up that way and you do not have to pass the front desk. They just reopened this entrance, so good.[/QUOTE]What hotel is NH??

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2682473]What hotel is NH??[/QUOTE]San Pedro, you want to stay in San Pedro.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2682281]Both Mexico City and MTY are great. Honestly, Mexico City is better and there the sky is the limit there. Definitely more expensive, but so much fun.

MYY is easier and girls are total freaks. Another plus is you can easily call escorts, in MTY. Escorts are much more expensive in.

M. City.

I stay at the NH and love it. Great location. I work out a deal with the manager and they give me a suite now super cheap. Another great thing is there is a separate entrance at the restaurant, so you can take girls up that way and you do not have to pass the front desk. They just reopened this entrance, so good.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the details DramaFree. Mexico City will be a future destination certainly, but I would like to test out an easier location when it comes to competition for attention. I've had some SA success in Tijuana, Ensenada, and Guadalajara so I'm working myself up to the big leagues.

I'll look into NH San Pedro, seems like the accommodation I am looking for. For the week my budget will be $5 k. Taking away flight and hotel expenses, my fun budget will be $4 k which roughly puts me at $500/ day. What would you do with that sort of budget to seal the deal with the best SA girls MTY has to offer, like where you would offer to take them for dinner etc. ? From some of the previous posts it seems I can get most girls for $150-300 an encounter.

I concur on cdmx. I am going back on Thursday. I was staying at NH centro. Do you like NH reforma?

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2682281]Both Mexico City and MTY are great. Honestly, Mexico City is better and there the sky is the limit there. Definitely more expensive, but so much fun.

MYY is easier and girls are total freaks. Another plus is you can easily call escorts, in MTY. Escorts are much more expensive in.

M. City.

I stay at the NH and love it. Great location. I work out a deal with the manager and they give me a suite now super cheap. Another great thing is there is a separate entrance at the restaurant, so you can take girls up that way and you do not have to pass the front desk. They just reopened this entrance, so good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KingOfPoverty;2682662]Thanks for the details DramaFree. Mexico City will be a future destination certainly, but I would like to test out an easier location when it comes to competition for attention. I've had some SA success in Tijuana, Ensenada, and Guadalajara so I'm working myself up to the big leagues.

I'll look into NH San Pedro, seems like the accommodation I am looking for. For the week my budget will be $5 k. Taking away flight and hotel expenses, my fun budget will be $4 k which roughly puts me at $500/ day. What would you do with that sort of budget to seal the deal with the best SA girls MTY has to offer, like where you would offer to take them for dinner etc. ? From some of the previous posts it seems I can get most girls for $150-300 an encounter.[/QUOTE]1. Sonora Prime is great. Not the best food,(above average), but really fun and most of the time you get 2 for one drinks. The food in MTY is not as good as other cities you have visited in Mexico. Make sure you ask for a waiter that speaks English. Order there tacos way cheaper then the steaks and probably better.

I was there 4 nights last wee, with 4 different girls. I had an extended stay.

2. I would stick with $150-225, no need to go much higher then that.

I am little to busy at work, to be traveling to M. City at the moment, plus I want to see what happens with the economy. Unfortunately things are not looking good and I am afraid Biden is in way over his head. Mexico city I was spending $500-700 a day, but so much fun. I have more sex in MTY, but way more fun in M. City. Also, the girls are way more sophisticated and dates were way longer there.

Thanks for tge suggestion. This seems to be in suburbs. Is it easy for girls to come there?

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2682487]San Pedro, you want to stay in San Pedro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2678430]Would a girl that is a genuine newbie commit through Chat to meeting a stranger for dinner, sex and cash?[/QUOTE]Best one I ever met was a genuine newbie in Tijuana. Had overnights with her about 4 times a month for about $600 per month until she left town.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2682017]How far advanced I should get the pay membership and having line up?

I plan a trip to Mexico City and Panama city in Late April / Early May.

It seems promising using SA to get bbfscip with semi-pro or civi girl while having overseas trip.

So I should say upfront what I want so no confusion correct?

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]This is a pretty key topic. You need to start far enough in advance that you identify, contact and vet people but you don't want to do it too far in advance or things will get stale after a while. In my experience you need to have a high tempo intensity exchange before you meet to keep the attention and interest. This is especially so with the nicer, non pro SB's.

The research and initial messages always takes the longest and is the most frustrating. Messaging 80-100 ladies. I tried sending the same message to a load of people but usually this does not work well and its better to have a slight custom message instead. Once you have a few interested ladies replying there is the casual back and forth and then onto a separate chat app for more intense discussions to see what if they are DTF and what they are interested in. I leave the intimacy and $ questions until quite late. In my experience GPS and Pros will raise this pretty early whilst the more traditional SB are not as comfortable with these discussions. Leaving this till later also give you the chance to build a better rapport and interest form then so the $ typically drops if you have peaked their interest as well.

These ladies can get 100 messages a day so you need to keep the later, interesting conversations at a more regular high intensity level to maintain their interests. It can easily lose intensity if too far in advance and then both you and they can go cold and its almost impossible to recover from that.

So in my experiences:

Week 1 - research and intro messages.

Week 2 - Identify prospects and casual info.

Week 3 - High Intensity discussions with main candidates.

Week 3 or 4 - Meet.

You can do it in one or two weeks but the first step can take the most work and is the most unrewarding.

Interested to see what other people think.

[QUOTE=Globo;2682750]This is a pretty key topic. You need to start far enough in advance that you identify, contact and vet people but you don't want to do it too far in advance or things will get stale after a while. In my experience you need to have a high tempo intensity exchange before you meet to keep the attention and interest. This is especially so with the nicer, non pro SB's.

The research and initial messages always takes the longest and is the most frustrating. Messaging 80-100 ladies. I tried sending the same message to a load of people but usually this does not work well and its better to have a slight custom message instead. Once you have a few interested ladies replying there is the casual back and forth and then onto a separate chat app for more intense discussions to see what if they are DTF and what they are interested in. I leave the intimacy and $ questions until quite late. In my experience GPS and Pros will raise this pretty early whilst the more traditional SB are not as comfortable with these discussions. Leaving this till later also give you the chance to build a better rapport and interest form then so the $ typically drops if you have peaked their interest as well.

These ladies can get 100 messages a day so you need to keep the later, interesting conversations at a more regular high intensity level to maintain their interests. It can easily lose intensity if too far in advance and then both you and they can go cold and its almost impossible to recover from that.

So in my experiences:

Week 1 - research and intro messages.

Week 2 - Identify prospects and casual info.

Week 3 - High Intensity discussions with main candidates.

Week 3 or 4 - Meet.

You can do it in one or two weeks but the first step can take the most work and is the most unrewarding.

Interested to see what other people think.[/QUOTE]I think this is spot on for best practice. But would point out major success I've had outside these lines.

Some of my very best SBs have been snagged 6-8 weeks out. This does take overall care and feeding during that period but in the end when you meet you are like old friends and the chemistry is fabulous. I can count 5-10 girls that fall in this category. I didn't start with them at 6-8 weeks because it's best practice — only that I browse when bored. But it's worked out spectacularly well.

At the other end of the spectrum I've had several dates where I literally hit them up day of or day before. I think these girls get bored of inaction and when you say you are going out and do they want to come some just say fuck it it's on! It's kinda great also. Happened just last week.

[QUOTE=Globo;2682750]So in my experiences:

Week 1 - research and intro messages.

Week 2 - Identify prospects and casual info.

Week 3 - High Intensity discussions with main candidates.

Week 3 or 4 - Meet.

You can do it in one or two weeks but the first step can take the most work and is the most unrewarding.

Interested to see what other people think.[/QUOTE]I have a 'pipeline' of opportunities. Not all girls will fit for 4 weeks, not all girls will fit 8 weeks, some will jump 1-2 days. Just remember don't burn anyone off for every one girl that is ready to meet 'now' too early there are other 'now' girls that haven't even joined the site yet.

So you need a few strategies which you need after determining which timing the girl is comfortable with.

The girls that are ready 'now' : For me I tell them I am going offline as I need to finish a project, I'll be back in contact xx / yy. This means I am not constantly delaying them everyday.

The longer term girls I like the concept of the final intensity period. They need a 'maintenance' set of messages each week or weekend.

Also, for actual calendar dates and timings, I always give a date that is beyond when I expect to arrive. It's easier to pull a date forward for one chosen girl than it is to push back dates for 10 girls. One time I even had an awkward experience of an Indonesian girl waiting at the airport on the off chance I would actually arrive and had lost her number. That was awkward when she called my name through the crowd.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2682680]Thanks for tge suggestion. This seems to be in suburbs. Is it easy for girls to come there?[/QUOTE]SP, when DF goes to MTY, he usually has a car. Where he stays is the nicest part (or one of the nicest parts) of the city. At some point, I will get my shit together and get my paperwork in and drive as well. When I have gone, I fly and the hotel I stay at is the Sheraton Ambassador. I had no problems bringing guests in and it is in a part of the city where you can walk to a bunch of malls and restaurants. I have never had any issues in Centro but it does not feel as safe. The other hotel guys like is the Krystal.

My favorite hotel was the Fiesta Americana, which too is in the center of town, and it is nicer than the Sheraton but about double the price.

We have both used the escort agencies. I have used Alicia's doll house, and for the most part, have been underwhelmed compared to what I get on SA.

I used [URL]https://www.laboutique.vip/calendario.php[/URL] in the past in Mexico City and had some good luck. I also used twitter in CDMX with great luck. When you are between SA sessions and want to try some strange, this may be a better and cheaper alternative. I was paying $125 an hour for laboutique girls and as low as $55 for Twitter girls.

I hope that helps. Make sure you give us a report back. Outside of CDMX, Monterrey was the best city I found for seeking, and I would have given up on it if not for DF.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2682951]SP, when DF goes to MTY, he usually has a car. Where he stays is the nicest part (or one of the nicest parts) of the city. At some point, I will get my shit together and get my paperwork in and drive as well. When I have gone, I fly and the hotel I stay at is the Sheraton Ambassador. I had no problems bringing guests in and it is in a part of the city where you can walk to a bunch of malls and restaurants. I have never had any issues in Centro but it does not feel as safe. The other hotel guys like is the Krystal.

My favorite hotel was the Fiesta Americana, which too is in the center of town, and it is nicer than the Sheraton but about double the price.

We have both used the escort agencies. I have used Alicia's doll house, and for the most part, have been underwhelmed compared to what I get on SA.

I used [URL]https://www.laboutique.vip/calendario.php[/URL] in the past in Mexico City and had some good luck. I also used twitter in CDMX with great luck. When you are between SA sessions and want to try some strange, this may be a better and cheaper alternative. I was paying $125 an hour for laboutique girls and as low as $55 for Twitter girls.

I hope that helps. Make sure you give us a report back. Outside of CDMX, Monterrey was the best city I found for seeking, and I would have given up on it if not for DF.[/QUOTE]Anywhere in San Pedro is great. Nice restaurants, no crime or drugs. I only drive to the hotel, then I walk or take Didi. I do not want to mislead anyone San Pedro is not cheap, but prices are fair. Most girls are happy with tacos abd a couple of drinks.

As I said, I was having way more fun in Mexico City, but spending way more money and getting laid less, but I was really attracted to the ladies there. Most of the girls I met there were professionals or highly educated. (Trust me you will not find those type of girls in MDE I do not care what those guys say), Also, you did not have to deal with the family issues that are a major issue in MTY. Long term I am sure I will end up in Mexico City, for now I need to stick with MTY, plus the model is there. We have been together almost 2 years. She does make my life better, but she does not want to get married. Life is good.

Messed up on my dates on arriving back in the UK, got in a day early. Slept and woke up with a major case of the horn. Blondey chav single mum who I've got lined up for tomorrow is giving me major flake vibes, I can't be bothered travelling further afield to see some of the raunchy teenagers I've got lined up.

So I spam messaged some local girls I already had on WhatsApp and hadn't really spoken to further. A fair few replies, nobody that fits the currently required bill (available NOW, can host.) One girl did. A 25 year old very petite brunette. Single mother. We'd had a few good chats, intellectually a cut above the rest of chavvy sluts I've been chasing.

She agreed to meet right now for a coffee and a chat at a cafe around from her place, on the explicit understanding that if I wasn't a weirdo we were going back to hers. 30 minutes later, I'm there and sat at a table is an ultra petite brunette, pretty girl, dressed casually in yoga pants, a tanktop that showed off her tummy (she's got abs, sucker for that). Lively conversation while we drink the coffee, before she says the magic words, "Shall we go back to mine?" Yes please ma'am.

Back at her house, we have a tea and more chat before I lean over and kiss her on the sofa. Tug off her top and she's braless, perfect little be cups. Get her in my lap and she's devouring my face, grinding into me and moaning. The rest of the encounter, over the new couple of hours, proceeded the same. Ultra passionate, ultra horny. Go down on her and she's already soaking wet, bends almost double while mashing my face into her perfect little pussy, almost suffocating me / drowning me. This is what Seeking is all about for me, casual paid sex with better looking girls than most escorts. Who are in to the sex, not phoning it in.

After she's recovered, I tug her over my lap and she hops on bareback in cowgirl. I almost cum about 2 minutes in, but lift her off (she's tiny) and think about Margaret Thatcher. Literally a breath of wind away from unloading all over her pussy and ass. Claw it back.

Run through all the positions (even try the Steve for a bit, but we're on a couch and the angle is wrong). After my earlier brush with the brink, I'm now taking ages to cum. We take it in turns to be the more active partner, taking several breaks (she swears she's cum four times so far) where we keep eachother on the edge with oral and hands, before I finally unload in her in missionary.

Shower afterwards, chat and smooch on the couch. I'm the first guy she's met from Seeking. I believe her. Her profile has only been on there a couple of months, was inactive for several weeks when I messaged her. She really likes me (I am a degenerate, but present as a polite reasonably young Englishman). She wants to see me regularly. (Well by her count I made her cum five times, so.) She offered to half her PPM. 200 down to 100. Next time will be an overnight at hers. Either go out for dinner or order in, watch a movie, drink some wine and take our time.

Considering it. 100 ppm on my doorstep is hard to turn down and she's good banter, with a lot of common interests. She knows I'm only around for the next three weeks or so.

Leave and she's already messaging me about plans for next week.

And just this minute. Blondey chav (see earlier pictures) is back in touch, sending me her address and confirming for tomorrow. 100 ppm at hers, as long as I want. BBFSCIP.

Two Seeking girls in less than 24 hours?

If Blondey turns out anywhere near as good as the brunette, I might just shelve the total hotties further afield (travel costs, higher ppm, hotel costs) and rotate between these two until I fuck off to the Philippines.

When girls like this are available in the UK, for much better sex for a lower hourly rate. Why does anyone bother with escorts in the UK?

Hey guys,

I'm in Colombia and have a few options for a longer term SB / SD relationship where we've gone out for a few dates. What's fair price wise when taking it to the next level, like an overnight stay or flying out to vacation on the beach a few days?

- Should it happen organically where she just wants to stay overnight or go somewhere and I choose the extra tip?

- Should we agree on a 2-3 x the amount for a date for the overnight or the day?

What has worked for you guys?

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2683025]As I said, I was having way more fun in Mexico City, but spending way more money and getting laid less, but I was really attracted to the ladies there. Most of the girls I met there were professionals or highly educated. (Trust me you will not find those type of girls in MDE I do not care what those guys say), Also, you did not have to deal with the family issues that are a major issue in MTY. Long term I am sure I will end up in Mexico City, for now I need to stick with MTY, plus the model is there. We have been together almost 2 years. She does make my life better, but she does not want to get married. Life is good.[/QUOTE]Where do you stay in CDMX? For some reason, I always end up in Reforma.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2683285]Hey guys,

I'm in Colombia and have a few options for a longer term SB / SD relationship where we've gone out for a few dates. What's fair price wise when taking it to the next level, like an overnight stay or flying out to vacation on the beach a few days? What has worked for you guys?[/QUOTE]All the girls I have been with were so psyched to go on a trip that I did not even bring up a price. I gave them like $100 to 200 afterwards as a gift but the whole concept of paying for it kind of would ruin the trip for me.

If you are considering taking them to Mexico, you will either have to give them $400 or so that they can have on hand or better yet, fly to Colombia and travel with them to Mexico the first time. Getting Colombian women into Mexico can be hit or miss. The form women have to fill out to fly to Mexico now is really long.

I am at cdmx now. At an airbnb close to hilton reforma.

My Spanish is zero. So it is bit of struggle for me to find english speaking ones. I am mainly into slim 18 to 23 age girls.

If you have any recommendations, please PM the profile links of anyone that will for the above.

Thank you.

Also I am open to meet for drink if anyone is in town.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2683025]Anywhere in San Pedro is great. Nice restaurants, no crime or drugs. I only drive to the hotel, then I walk or take Didi. I do not want to mislead anyone San Pedro is not cheap, but prices are fair. Most girls are happy with tacos abd a couple of drinks.

As I said, I was having way more fun in Mexico City, but spending way more money and getting laid less, but I was really attracted to the ladies there. Most of the girls I met there were professionals or highly educated. (Trust me you will not find those type of girls in MDE I do not care what those guys say), Also, you did not have to deal with the family issues that are a major issue in MTY. Long term I am sure I will end up in Mexico City, for now I need to stick with MTY, plus the model is there. We have been together almost 2 years. She does make my life better, but she does not want to get married. Life is good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JJanni;2683247]Messed up on my dates on arriving back in the UK, got in a day early.
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When girls like this are available in the UK, for much better sex for a lower hourly rate. Why does anyone bother with escorts in the UK?[/QUOTE]Is the 100 PPM is that GBP?

Is your experience in a major city? Like London, Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester? Or different. No need to be too specific.

I have a pseudo work possibility for travelling to the midlands but last time I was there it was a dry baron sex area.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2683285]Hey guys,

I'm in Colombia and have a few options for a longer term SB / SD relationship where we've gone out for a few dates. What's fair price wise when taking it to the next level, like an overnight stay or flying out to vacation on the beach a few days?

- Should it happen organically where she just wants to stay overnight or go somewhere and I choose the extra tip?

- Should we agree on a 2-3 x the amount for a date for the overnight or the day?

What has worked for you guys?[/QUOTE]SP,

I have only done Colombia (Cartagena) 1 x using SA. Since I prefer to have overnights right away, before the first meet I set that expectation up using SA messaging and I vet them using video chat via WhatsApp. I find this cost effective since I can get some action 3 x a day using this strategy. When doing my Cartagena vetting I vetted two girls who were responsive to overnights right away. I had both girls for two full days and I managed to get full days at 400 k COP / day one girl and 300 k COP / day another girl.

In Mexico I have had multiple overnights using the same strategy, setting the expectation up over SA messaging then vetting them using WhatsApp. The price range I've had success with are 200-300 USD / day with multiple sessions. I managed to take one girl to a one week long vacation and we did not even discuss money. I ended up giving her $500 (plus trip expenses) in all since it was a full week of BBFS and BBBJCIM. I find in Latin America you can transition most girls to overnight with a small increase in their typical rate E. G. If a usual date costs $150 then you can do an overnight at $200.

Earlier today I had some idiot girl actually post to me. "What would you pay me for my virginity"? WTF is wrong with the world? She also starts asking what are you looking for on this app? I hate it when they do that. Now I'm guessing those are also SA trolls. I made a comment, "I don't think there are any virgins in Colombia" which probably was picked up as a interest in such. Who knows. It would be asinine to even consider. I admit putting a number on a girls profile which was a blatant mistake the girls seem to think it's ok. They do it all the time. (trolls agan?0 They suspended my account for "soliciting prostitution" and I guess I will try calling them but I don't need SA anyway since they let so many fakers, hookers, gold diggers and deviants on there. LOL It takes up too much time separating the sincere girls from all that. And I have already done my share of prospecting to last a long time without any new leads. STILL compared to what the girls constantly ask for (in exchange for their services.) . I am an Angel. YMMV and eventually I will do some kind of workaround. New phone number, new. Whatever. Who else has had this same result lately? Being banned?

I am newbie to SA and I am on my 2nd trip to CDMX.

As you know we are SA to find semi pro and non pro. I am noticing lot of pro are also on SA. Sometimes I know / realize only after meet.

Any tips on on how to filter / identify the pro.

I generally ignore anyone long than 6 months but I notice, the girls keep creating new profiles. Also the type of photo they have sometimes gives me indication. Sometimes if the girl puts a $$ per meeting upfront, that is red flag for me but hard to know if they are pro or they are trying to filter generous v / s non generous folks.

Any suggestions or tips?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2683535] They suspended my account for "soliciting prostitution" and I guess I will try calling them but I don't need SA anyway since they let so many fakers, hookers, gold diggers and deviants on there. LOL It takes up too much time separating the sincere girls from all that. [/QUOTE]I use four different languages to communicate with girls from different countries. I always ignore blatant messages like these types and always move away from SA to another chat app when discussing any arrangement so as not to be flagged.

If you don't mind me asking, was the whole conversation in Spanish or English? The reason why I asked so that I can find out if this is monitored by a moderator who is a person or a backend automated process that detects this pattern regardless of the type of language used.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2683535]Earlier today I had some idiot girl actually post to me. "What would you pay me for my virginity"? WTF is wrong with the world? She also starts asking what are you looking for on this app? I hate it when they do that. Now I'm guessing those are also SA trolls. I made a comment, "I don't think there are any virgins in Colombia" which probably was picked up as a interest in such. Who knows. It would be asinine to even consider. I admit putting a number on a girls profile which was a blatant mistake the girls seem to think it's ok. They do it all the time. (trolls agan?0 They suspended my account for "soliciting prostitution" and I guess I will try calling them but I don't need SA anyway since they let so many fakers, hookers, gold diggers and deviants on there. LOL It takes up too much time separating the sincere girls from all that. And I have already done my share of prospecting to last a long time without any new leads. STILL compared to what the girls constantly ask for (in exchange for their services.) . I am an Angel. YMMV and eventually I will do some kind of workaround. New phone number, new. Whatever. Who else has had this same result lately? Being banned?[/QUOTE]Hi there,

Thank you for reaching out to us regarding your account status. Unfortunately, we have obtained and verified information that indicates you are soliciting sex in exchange for compensation. This is not only a violation of our Terms of Use, but also legally a criminal offense.

You are henceforth banned from Seeking and any of our sister sites. Please be advised: we maintain the right to inform the appropriate authorities of any criminal activity conducted through our site, and we rigidly comply with any and all law enforcement investigations / legal action concerning crimes conducted therein. Our decision is final and any future inquiries about this suspension will not receive a response.

Best regards,

Amelia.

Seeking Support.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/pxna4m/seeking_sent_me_a_threat/[/URL] Its the same threatening email they send everyone- so I would not worry about it.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2683535]They suspended my account for "soliciting prostitution" and I guess I will try calling them but I don't need SA anyway since they let so many fakers, hookers, gold diggers and deviants on there. LOL It takes up too much time separating the sincere girls from all that. And I have already done my share of prospecting to last a long time without any new leads. STILL compared to what the girls constantly ask for (in exchange for their services.) . I am an Angel. YMMV and eventually I will do some kind of workaround. New phone number, new. Whatever. Who else has had this same result lately? Being banned?[/QUOTE]If you ever want to get back on Seeking, just set up another email account with a fake nickname and use a different credit card. You cannot use the same credit card as before because they track it. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2683606]I use four different languages to communicate with girls from different countries. I always ignore blatant messages like these types and always move away from SA to another chat app when discussing any arrangement so as not to be flagged.

If you don't mind me asking, was the whole conversation in Spanish or English? The reason why I asked so that I can find out if this is monitored by a moderator who is a person or a backend automated process that detects this pattern regardless of the type of language used.[/QUOTE]Spanish and English. I also noticed my app lost it's connection over the past 2-3 weeks. I had to reenter passcode to get back online. I type very fast and was using multiple browsers. I think it was a bot. I will do a workaround next week. I have far too many contacts anyway. Someone should tell them not to ask for money. LOL.

Had another odd SA interaction and had to share.

Talking to a chick in Greece. Cute. Said I want an arrangement. She tells me she'd love to but I should know that she has a medical condition that makes her not able to physically interact with people so she wants only non-sexual arrangement.

Ummmmmm. No.

I was very polite but kind of wanted to tell her this site probably isn't going to work too well for her medical condition.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2683761]I was very polite but kind of wanted to tell her this site probably isn't going to work too well for her medical condition.[/QUOTE]Met a nice lady once we had a nice dinner date, ended up back at mine, then on my bed. As I'm about to unbutton her shirt she tells me she has had a double mastectomy. Didn't slow me down and we had fun.

The greek lady sounds like a possible scam scene setting statement as to why you can't see or meet her, just send money.

So, I saw another seeking girl yesterday. Absolute cutie of a 20 year old blonde girl with Hazel eyes and freckles. Tight little body and a big, firm ass. 100 ppm at hers and she fucked me like an absolute pornstar.

Anyway. I've got like ten other girls I'm talking to, all within easy reach. All between 100 ppm and 200 ppm. All wild and kinky and sub 25.

My question is, how the fuck do you guys enjoy this in moderation? At this rate, I'm going to be broke by the time I leave the UK again.

Planning a multi city trip through Europe.

Just made an offer to a girl in Rome. 400 euros to do dinner and night over. She wrote back "are you serious? I take that for an hour."

Is that about right? Am I off base here? Anyone know Rome?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2683978]Planning a multi city trip through Europe.

Just made an offer to a girl in Rome. 400 euros to do dinner and night over. She wrote back "are you serious? I take that for an hour."

Is that about right? Am I off base here? Anyone know Rome?[/QUOTE]Don't know the rates for Rome, I'm afraid, but from the response she sent you it seems like you have reached a Pro who has a Seeking profile.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2683978]Planning a multi city trip through Europe.

Just made an offer to a girl in Rome. 400 euros to do dinner and night over. She wrote back "are you serious? I take that for an hour."

Is that about right? Am I off base here? Anyone know Rome?[/QUOTE]My 2019 Rome weekend was EUR400 per day. Lady stayed with me fulltime while we toured around the city. We also used her car at times.

Any SB quoting hourly rates is a pro.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2683978]Planning a multi city trip through Europe.

Just made an offer to a girl in Rome. 400 euros to do dinner and night over. She wrote back "are you serious? I take that for an hour."

Is that about right? Am I off base here? Anyone know Rome?[/QUOTE]Well it was handy for her to say "I am a hooker and you should ghost me immediately" because that is exactly what she said. But also if a hooker in Rome gets 400/ HR (doubt it check the escort sites) then yeah that's a good SA full date rate. I've found a strong correlation between hooker hourly rate and the SA full evening rate.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2683610]
You are henceforth banned from Seeking and any of our sister sites. Please be advised: we maintain the right to inform the appropriate authorities of any criminal activity conducted through our site, and we rigidly comply with any and all law enforcement investigations / legal action concerning crimes conducted therein. Our decision is final and any future inquiries about this suspension will not receive a response.
[/QUOTE]Same thing happened to me, moved to sugardaddymeet, can talk services and prices on the site instead of having a million kik conversations, similar number of girls. Saved a lot of time and effort (ie. Asking p4 p from 1st message) instead of half a dozen messages sounding them out.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2683894]So, I saw another seeking girl yesterday. Absolute cutie of a 20 year old blonde girl with Hazel eyes and freckles. Tight little body and a big, firm ass. 100 ppm at hers and she fucked me like an absolute pornstar.

Anyway. I've got like ten other girls I'm talking to, all within easy reach. All between 100 ppm and 200 ppm. All wild and kinky and sub 25.

My question is, how the fuck do you guys enjoy this in moderation? At this rate, I'm going to be broke by the time I leave the UK again.[/QUOTE]You never regret what you pay for sex if it is good. Better to be broke than an incel.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2683761]Had another odd SA interaction and had to share.

Talking to a chick in Greece. Cute. Said I want an arrangement. She tells me she'd love to but I should know that she has a medical condition that makes her not able to physically interact with people so she wants only non-sexual arrangement.

Ummmmmm. No.

I was very polite but kind of wanted to tell her this site probably isn't going to work too well for her medical condition.[/QUOTE]Why bother. It's undoubtedly just a bullshit story made up to mess with your emotions. Block the account and move on.

Yup. Sounds like a hooker. Stay away.

Not sure about Rome but generally in Europe I pay about 200 to 300 for overnight. Some girls spend 24 hours with me. One recent SB and I fucked 7 times in 24 hours. For 300.

Granted there are some that quote whatever ridiculous number. I block them and move on. Not worth it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2684121]Well it was handy for her to say "I am a hooker and you should ghost me immediately" because that is exactly what she said. But also if a hooker in Rome gets 400/ HR (doubt it check the escort sites) then yeah that's a good SA full date rate. I've found a strong correlation between hooker hourly rate and the SA full evening rate.[/QUOTE]

OK this is validating.

I'll admit I offered a few more girls 400 euros for the night since. This experience got me to bump up my offer. They all accepted. Now I think I overshot and went too high. But I can't really come back and negotiate down. Oh well. You can't get buried with it.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2684228]Yup. Sounds like a hooker. Stay away.

Not sure about Rome but generally in Europe I pay about 200 to 300 for overnight. Some girls spend 24 hours with me. One recent SB and I fucked 7 times in 24 hours. For 300.

Granted there are some that quote whatever ridiculous number. I block them and move on. Not worth it..[/QUOTE]

Blondie from close by hit me up for a loan of 20 gbp and send me a load of videos and pics to try and get it. I was at a loose end, she made me horny, so I went to see her.

As good or better as last time. This girl kisses like she means it and never gets tired of it, or turns away. She came twice from oral, twice when I was fucking her. Bedwetting, dick / finger clenching, eyes rolling into the back of her head (all I could see were whites), scream the house down orgasms. Ego boost or what?

So we're lying there after about an hour, chatting while I build up to round two and the front door downstairs opens. Her brother has come around to visit unannounced with his wife and kids. Her rather large brother.

Quick as a flash, she's up, wiggling in to a top and yoga pants with my jizz still dripping out of her, telling me she's so sorry, just hide up here blah-blah.

I was rather concerned to be honest!

About ten minutes later, she's got them settled in the kitchen. Comes back up, kisses me and whispers to me to sneak out, she'll make it up to me later.

Quietly down the stairs and out the open front door. Phew!

Kind of hot to be honest.

I was going to write a longer report about tonight but don't want to include too many details. Bottom line is the girl I hooked up with tonight has issues and I feel bad about it. Early 20's white girl. First warning sign was her preferred drink was shots but I'the picked a brewery. While we're having a beer she mentions she's got siblings by different fathers. In between sex back in the room she mentions she used to bb a lot and needed an abortion. Also pretty much says she got raped by a guy on a dating app. As a result she doesn't like some BDSM anymore. Got into seeking because a friend does it but she admits friend has mental issues. First guy she met on seeking stiffed her ppm after she drunkenly agreed to meet him.

I'm probably forgetting other details but you get the gist. The sex was good even though I didn't finish, probably bc of the cover but I just feel bad for this girl. I've never been captain save a hoe but damn I just want to help her. I can understand why some guys are like that now and want to provide. I feel guilty, like I'm just using her too, which I am. I didn't stiff her ppm and the exchange was clear but I feel like I'm exacerbating the issues. She's doing seeking on the side, just like the other girls I've done ppm with, but I didn't walk away feeling guilty before. A previous girl also had a taste for hard drugs and partied a lot but nada. I know the conservative argument is that she made most of those decisions, including to be on seeking and that this could be applied to escorts too but I still feel exploitative.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2684621]I just feel bad for this girl. I've never been captain save a hoe but damn I just want to help her. I can understand why some guys are like that now and want to provide. I feel guilty, like I'm just using her too, which I am. [/QUOTE]I feel you, bro. When I started to get to know the SBs, and when I get to know pros too, I end up feeling bad for many of them. I remember spending the weekend with a pro, and while we were on the beach on the second day, I noticed the slash mark scars all over her legs. I asked her about it. She told me about her crappy life and that she started to cut herself as a coping mechanism. She became a pro so she could buy a home for her poor parents and because she wanted to someday have money to start a family of her own. By the time the weekend was over, I ended up giving her double what I promised. She was so touched. I saw her a few more times, and each time she begged me to marry her and have a baby with her. That pretty much killed my desire to fuck her, because I felt so sorry for her and because I felt guilty for just using her, and so I stopped seeing her despite her phenomenal body.

We all know pros and SBs that are lazy and just hook on the side to pay for their drinking and partying. But many SBs and pros are in it to support their kid, or they have deadbeat or peasant parents, or they have a pyschological disorder, or whatever. And so I sometimes felt this was one of the downsides of SA. Many SBs are on there becuase they have some problem, just like many pros become pros because they have some problem. With pros, we can be blissfully ignorant about their problems. But with SBs, we often get to known them, as that is part of the arrangement usually.

Do I have any advice? Nope. Except that I eventually moved from arrangments and went back to pros so that I can be happily ignorant again. Does this mean I will swear off arrangements forever? Not really. I still have a few arrangements where the gals are pretty normal, and I purposely avoid in depth conversations with them about their lives.

Speaking of fucking, I have no idea when I will fuck again. I am in Shanghai and have not been allowed to step outside my apartment for the past two weeks, with no end in sight. Sigh. Oh well.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2684621]I was going to write a longer report about tonight but don't want to include too many details. Bottom line is the girl I hooked up with tonight has issues and I feel bad about it. Early 20's white girl. First warning sign was her preferred drink was shots but I'the picked a brewery. While we're having a beer she mentions she's got siblings by different fathers. In between sex back in the room she mentions she used to bb a lot and needed an abortion. Also pretty much says she got raped by a guy on a dating app. As a result she doesn't like some BDSM anymore. Got into seeking because a friend does it but she admits friend has mental issues. First guy she met on seeking stiffed her ppm after she drunkenly agreed to meet him.

I'm probably forgetting other details but you get the gist. The sex was good even though I didn't finish, probably bc of the cover but I just feel bad for this girl. I've never been captain save a hoe but damn I just want to help her. I can understand why some guys are like that now and want to provide. I feel guilty, like I'm just using her too, which I am. I didn't stiff her ppm and the exchange was clear but I feel like I'm exacerbating the issues. She's doing seeking on the side, just like the other girls I've done ppm with, but I didn't walk away feeling guilty before. A previous girl also had a taste for hard drugs and partied a lot but nada. I know the conservative argument is that she made most of those decisions, including to be on seeking and that this could be applied to escorts too but I still feel exploitative.[/QUOTE]The way I square it in my mind is that I am a nice guy, despite being a degenerate. I'm kind to the girls, pay what's agreed, even more, never make them feel threatened and unsafe, try my best to have them enjoy being with me.

You not seeing a girl is not going to get her out of the game. And she's going to see people who aren't as nice as you.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2684650]The way I square it in my mind is that I am a nice guy, despite being a degenerate. I'm kind to the girls, pay what's agreed, even more, never make them feel threatened and unsafe, try my best to have them enjoy being with me.

You not seeing a girl is not going to get her out of the game. And she's going to see people who aren't as nice as you.[/QUOTE]Good points. She's already been with shitty guys from dating apps and seeking but still is on there.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2684621] First warning sign was her preferred drink was shots but I'the picked a brewery. While we're having a beer she mentions she's got siblings by different fathers. In between sex back in the room she mentions she used to bb a lot and needed an abortion. Also pretty much says she got raped by a guy on a dating app. As a result she doesn't like some BDSM anymore. Got into seeking because a friend does it but she admits friend has mental issues. First guy she met on seeking stiffed her ppm after she drunkenly agreed to meet him.

I'm probably forgetting other details but you get the gist. The sex was good even though I didn't finish, probably bc of the cover but I just feel bad for this girl. I've never been captain save a hoe but damn I just want to help her. [/QUOTE]Sounds like you want to help her and be Captain Save-a-Hoe. You listened to her life story, felt sorry for her and did not nut. You just want to help her. And get verification from us other dudes because you posted about it. It has to be about Captain Happy Dick. Otherwise you lose.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2684768]Sounds like you want to help her and be Captain Save-a-Hoe. You listened to her life story, felt sorry for her and did not nut. You just want to help her. And get verification from us other dudes because you posted about it. It has to be about Captain Happy Dick. Otherwise you lose.[/QUOTE]If you want to "date", then date. But, if you want to "seek" dealing with semi-pros or "monger" dealing with pros, then play those games the way they are [B]supposed[/B] to be played. That's the long and short of it. Otherwise, you're the one who's just getting played by these women!

So I have def found true GFE with my home girl Shayla. We had a nice little block of time but she wasn't feeling well. She still wanted to see me tho and suggested we just spend time relaxing. We ordered some door dash from the room. Napped and snuggled for a few hours. Had passionate animal sex and snuggled some more. Just falling asleep with her in the crook of my arm all nuzzled up in my armpit is like the best GFE ever. It's just so intimate and real. Sigh. I love the whole experience so much more than just the sex. I guess that's why we are here on SA fellas!

Counterpoint is that I love the first date and seduction. So soon I will see one of my all time faves Alexa. But the more I think about it I don't want to spend 5 nights with her. I want the chase. So I will spend 3 nights and then find someone (or more) for the other two nights. I want that first night date experience but I also want the GFE of a solid existing girlfriend. Going to split it into the Best of both worlds.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2684293]ted. Now I think I overshot and went too high. But I can't really come back and negotiate down. [/QUOTE]Why do you say you can't go back and negotiate? Have you ever had a SB tell you she will be cutting out early? Turning up late? Cutting you short on time unannounced? Of course you can negotiate if price is your concern.

You could start negotiating with one girl at a time, so you can develop your strategy IE without burning off all your plans.

You can also stay on the money but maybe get some other benefit from her. Maybe she meets you at airport (saving you transport costs) and your sugar date starts immediately. Maybe she stays two nights instead of one for the same or 25% more. I am a fan of the airport greeting / sendoff.

Maybe she can also bring her car for you to get around.

What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2685282]What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.[/QUOTE]I would say it ranges from 3000 to 4000 MXN. I mean I stayed with a woman in CDMX for 10 days for 30,000 MXN at the beginning she was quoting 3,500 MXN for just one day.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2685282]What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.[/QUOTE]I have never paid to meet a girl in Mexico. $200-300 is the rate in Mexico City, but it for multiple hours.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2685282]What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.[/QUOTE]TBH I offered 5000 and 6000 when I was there because my time was limited and I wanted the girls committed AF. It was clear 6000 was considered very generous. That's when chats on the platform went from how ya doing to can we meet now? 6000 would be considered very high but if your time is limited.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2685282]What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.[/QUOTE]They better be a 9 or 10 for that much. Street girls go for like $20 and there are some decent looking ones. Higher than that you should be using twitter and [URL]laboutique.vip[/URL] and look at blog de busti and get twitter names there. Put in #cdmx #scort in twitter and you should have some names pop up. Then follow the suggested women to follow once you get on Twitter.

With seeking, try to do the meet without discussing cash. There are so many women in Mexico City, just carpet bomb (copy and paste) all the hot ones or ones you like and see what they say. I would send out hundreds of messages. You should get dozens of responses, and I would steer to the ones who do not ask for cash. Offer to get them an uber if need be.

I am not throwing out $300 until I meet the woman. That is like 3 X the price of a Twitter girl and like 15 X the price of a street walker. I have paid seeking women $400 and $500 but it was for several hours, and the women were 9's and 10's. For $300, the woman should stop traffic.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2684621]I've never been captain save a hoe but damn I just want to help her. I can understand why some guys are like that now and want to provide. I feel guilty, like I'm just using her too, which I am. I didn't stiff her ppm and the exchange was clear but I feel like I'm exacerbating the issues.[/QUOTE]I still do not think that guys really get what sugar babies are. They are an investment in a friendship, and you should care where the money you are giving her is going. That is the daddy part of the sugar daddy relationship, and I take it seriously.

But I am not going to invest in a girl who is going to put every dollar up her nose. If she is a WG, then fine. It is not my biz what she does was the money.

As far as helping her, she is probably hot right? Most of the hot women on SA / seeking in the states have mental issues or substance abuse problems, and the way you described this one, she sounds like her head is not on right. Keep her as a PPM ho and do not get into her personal life or let her go. You cannot do anything about her issues. Hell, medical professionals barely can.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2684293]OK this is validating.

I'll admit I offered a few more girls 400 euros for the night since. This experience got me to bump up my offer. They all accepted. Now I think I overshot and went too high. But I can't really come back and negotiate down. Oh well. You can't get buried with it.[/QUOTE]Sure you can. You tell them money is tight and you can only do 300 Euros. I bet you half will accept. I did it all the time. A lot of the first time price is just women anxious to see you. Once they know you are okay, that anxiety goes away.

Going on my first proper sugar date tonight. I've met more than my fair share of girls from seeking. But they've strictly been meet at my hotel / her place, explicit understanding that knickers were coming off and I was cumming inside them.

This one is different. A 19 year old student. Tallish and gamine, pixie cut, facial piercings. Very much my cup of tea. We've had long chats about kinks etc, but no explicit we are going to do all this. She's kinkier than me. Into bondage, very rough sex, watersports (Inc. Pee in her mouth.) She likes to use recreational drugs to enhance her pleasure. Anyone ever heard of viagra making girls hornier and more sensitive?

We've had a couple of videochats and she's adorably shy and a little awkward, despite the kink. She says herself it takes a while for her to warm up and get comfortable.

Anyway, I'm meeting her at my hotel bar tonight. A few drinks, get to know eachother and then up to the room for at her a kink filled marathon session, with her probably staying the night.

Butterflies.

I had similar SBs but not all below rolled into one.

A 25 why. O cute shy girl into kink. Never got to experience due to distance but keeping in touch with her to make it work.

Not into peeing and stuff but she is kinky.

I have another SB who wants me to CIP but I always pull out. Always.

As far drugs. Me, personally, if any girl is into drugs. Even recreational. I stay away. One. I would hate to host someone who is in possession of drugs. Two. Drugs tend to cloud one's judgement. Who knows what she does under influence. She might have (or be) engaging in sex with dudes who carry diseses. I don't want to dip my dick into a pussy that has germs.

To each his own. Please stay careful.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2685382]Going on my first proper sugar date tonight. I've met more than my fair share of girls from seeking. But they've strictly been meet at my hotel / her place, explicit understanding that knickers were coming off and I was cumming inside them.

This one is different. A 19 year old student. Tallish and gamine, pixie cut, facial piercings. Very much my cup of tea. We've had long chats about kinks etc, but no explicit we are going to do all this. She's kinkier than me. Into bondage, very rough sex, watersports (Inc. Pee in her mouth.) She likes to use recreational drugs to enhance her pleasure. Anyone ever heard of viagra making girls hornier and more sensitive?

We've had a couple of videochats and she's adorably shy and a little awkward, despite the kink. She says herself it takes a while for her to warm up and get comfortable.

Anyway, I'm meeting her at my hotel bar tonight. A few drinks, get to know eachother and then up to the room for at her a kink filled marathon session, with her probably staying the night.

Butterflies.[/QUOTE]

Very good points from AsianPursuits here.

You might add "can she bring a friend along?

One of my SBs started as 200 ppm. She likes me so much that she refuses to take money these days. So, I started getting her stuff that she needs. (Example: she broke her phone. I got it fixed and got a spare phone for 250).

Now, she is telling me her friend is interested in joining us for FMF. I am excited.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2685252]Why do you say you can't go back and negotiate? Have you ever had a SB tell you she will be cutting out early? Turning up late? Cutting you short on time unannounced? Of course you can negotiate if price is your concern.

You could start negotiating with one girl at a time, so you can develop your strategy IE without burning off all your plans.

You can also stay on the money but maybe get some other benefit from her. Maybe she meets you at airport (saving you transport costs) and your sugar date starts immediately. Maybe she stays two nights instead of one for the same or 25% more. I am a fan of the airport greeting / sendoff.

Maybe she can also bring her car for you to get around.[/QUOTE]

The CIP piece brings up a thought. What are your thoughts about vasectomy?

I would love to fuck and CIP without a care in the world.

I am late thirties but do not want kids. Certainly not with SBs.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2685387]

I have another SB who wants me to CIP but I always pull out. Always.
.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2685387]I had similar SBs but not all below rolled into one.

A 25 why. O cute shy girl into kink. Never got to experience due to distance but keeping in touch with her to make it work.

Not into peeing and stuff but she is kinky.

I have another SB who wants me to CIP but I always pull out. Always.

As far drugs. Me, personally, if any girl is into drugs. Even recreational. I stay away. One. I would hate to host someone who is in possession of drugs. Two. Drugs tend to cloud one's judgement. Who knows what she does under influence. She might have (or be) engaging in sex with dudes who carry diseses. I don't want to dip my dick into a pussy that has germs.

To each his own. Please stay careful.[/QUOTE]Unless you're giving a girl an allowance of a couple grand a month.

She's been other guys and if she's going bareback with you she's going bareback with them.

We all have our own level of acceptable risk.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2685389]What are your thoughts about vasectomy?.[/QUOTE]In hindsight I made a poor strategic decision and in my committed relationship. I was not the one to undergo the sterilization procedure.

At time I have considered secretly getting a vasectomy but that procedure and scaring can never been explained for a 55+ that the only reason could be he's spending his life screwing 20-40 year olds in a very determined way.

So my assumed virility encourages me to use condoms, protecting myself and others form diseases and pregnancies.

Of course I do wonder what would I be like if I didn't have to worry. I have certainly cum on so many SB boobs and faces.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2685292]TBH I offered 5000 and 6000 when I was there because my time was limited and I wanted the girls committed AF. It was clear 6000 was considered very generous. That's when chats on the platform went from how ya doing to can we meet now? 6000 would be considered very high but if your time is limited.[/QUOTE]I did the same. Even at those prices, I had a lot of no shows. I do feel as money gets tighter and it will, as our economy continues to slow, Prices will probably go down in Latin America. We will see, but I am afraid things are going to go to shit, probably not in Texas and in the south, but every where else is in for a rude awakening, especially the liberal states.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2685594]At time I have considered secretly getting a vasectomy but that procedure and scaring can never been explained for a 55+.[/QUOTE]Go to a fertility doctor and get a semen analysis. I had 2 women wanting to have a baby with me. My analysis was that my chances were less than 5% unless I had intrauterine injection. Now I go bareback and do not worry about getting a woman pregnant, I do not squirt that much and it does not swim. Age.

[QUOTE=Joshua1296;2685287]I would say it ranges from 3000 to 4000 MXN. I mean I stayed with a woman in CDMX for 10 days for 30,000 MXN at the beginning she was quoting 3,500 MXN for just one day.[/QUOTE]When I stayed there in 2020 it was 2000 mxn to 3000 mxn the most for an over nighter. The women are hot sex was good but nothing beats Cancun and the amazing pussy there.

Cheers,

Peace.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2685282]What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.[/QUOTE]I have been to CDMX 7 times. Always use SA. Always pay between 1800 and 2500 for 4-6 hours. For overnight, I have paid 3000. You definitely don't need more than 3000 unless she is super hot.

Just returned from Argentina. Heaven. Was there was 7 days, got 9 chicks off seeking.

Paid US $ 100 / date which lasted from 4 to 12 hours.

One girl became super close to me, almost like a girlfriend.

Venezuelana, 31, blonde, green eyes, fit body.

Saw her twice, went to bars, museums and parks with her.

On her last date I said, "darling I want to do something Kinky".

She said, "like what".

I said, "like maybe pee on you?

She said, "yes but only of you do it in my mouth, mi amor".

Did I mention Argentina is heaven?

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2685923]Just returned from Argentina. Heaven. Was there was 7 days, got 9 chicks off seeking.

Paid US $ 100 / date which lasted from 4 to 12 hours.

One girl became super close to me, almost like a girlfriend.

Venezuelana, 31, blonde, green eyes, fit body.

Saw her twice, went to bars, museums and parks with her.

On her last date I said, "darling I want to do something Kinky".

She said, "like what".

I said, "like maybe pee on you?

She said, "yes but only of you do it in my mouth, mi amor".

Did I mention Argentina is heaven?[/QUOTE]I was only there two days and my chicas were more the 23 year old variety and a bit more expensive. But two days and two home runs. Baires def seems target rich.

Here you go guys. You [B]do not[/B] be stupid! OK?

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Best sexual experience of my life.

19 year old absolutely wild girl. Trim and tight, pretty and gamine. 14 (chemically assisted) hours in a hotel room. She went from a shy girl who I thought was going to bail after a drink in the bar. To an utterly submissive **** who egged me on to be rougher and kinkier, who never seemed to get tired of being my personal little plaything.

I can't stress enough the kink. Everything was on the table.

Seeing her again next week hopefully and there was talk of taking a short trip together.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2686075]Best sexual experience of my life.

19 year old absolutely wild girl. Trim and tight, pretty and gamine. 14 (chemically assisted) hours in a hotel room. She went from a shy girl who I thought was going to bail after a drink in the bar. To an utterly submissive **** who egged me on to be rougher and kinkier, who never seemed to get tired of being my personal little plaything.

I can't stress enough the kink. Everything was on the table.

Seeing her again next week hopefully and there was talk of taking a short trip together.[/QUOTE]Seeking is sooooo the best when it works. Just two horny people (likely with large age disparity!) able to find each other and each gets what they needed. Sigh it's so beautiful.

I’ve also had the best sexual experience of my rather extensive life via Seeking! Would never have guessed that.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2686157]Seeking is sooooo the best when it works. Just two horny people (likely with large age disparity!) able to find each other and each gets what they needed. Sigh it's so beautiful.

Ive also had the best sexual experience of my rather extensive life via Seeking! Would never have guessed that.[/QUOTE]Only 13 years.

I think it was just a perfect coming together of people. She's inexperienced with kink, as am I, but theoretically into it from porn. So much we tried was like, 'Hey, I watched some porn of this, seemed hot. Want to try it and see if we actually like it?

I'm pretty nonthreatening and made sure she felt respected and safe even when she was hogtied, gagged, blindfolded and being fisted.

That's the other thing. I am not or never going to be a proper sugardaddy. I am seeing her again next week, maybe again after that.

She's totally broke and will continue with Seeking. She's putting herself into a super, super vulnerable position. I worry about her in future.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2685923]Just returned from Argentina. Heaven. Was there was 7 days, got 9 chicks off seeking.

Paid US $ 100 / date which lasted from 4 to 12 hours.

One girl became super close to me, almost like a girlfriend.

Venezuelana, 31, blonde, green eyes, fit body.

Saw her twice, went to bars, museums and parks with her.

On her last date I said, "darling I want to do something Kinky".[/QUOTE]I agree with you mate Argentinian women are hot, super hot and horny had some crazy ones in Cancun and now a few in Dubai.

All are leaking for sex and I miss Venezuelan chicas in Caracas nothing beats that pussy absolutely crazy it is there.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2686181]Only 13 years.

I think it was just a perfect coming together of people. She's inexperienced with kink, as am I, but theoretically into it from porn. So much we tried was like, 'Hey, I watched some porn of this, seemed hot. Want to try it and see if we actually like it?

I'm pretty nonthreatening and made sure she felt respected and safe even when she was hogtied, gagged, blindfolded and being fisted.

That's the other thing. I am not or never going to be a proper sugardaddy. I am seeing her again next week, maybe again after that.

She's totally broke and will continue with Seeking. She's putting herself into a super, super vulnerable position. I worry about her in future.[/QUOTE]Did you just happen to bring the restraints and gag with you?

Hey guys,

I've been curious about SB but I'm not really rich. But I've noticed some people having Price per meet as much as 1 HR with an escort.

Where can I find more information on this? I went thru this thread a bit but not sure how to even get started or even try. Please share your wisdom.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2686295]Did you just happen to bring the restraints and gag with you?[/QUOTE]She brought the rope, blindfold. The gag was improvised with her panties, after I'd stuffed them in her pussy.

If I was reading this stuff, I'd think I was making it up. Nothing was off of the table.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2686301]Where can I find more information on this? I went thru this thread a bit but not sure how to even get started or even try. Please share your wisdom.[/QUOTE]Easy, start by making an account at [URL]seeking.com[/URL].

Not sure what your $ situation is but I will say it's the kind of game that requires some discretionary income.

The membership alone is about 100/ month. Dates with the price of food and some action after should set you back 250-500, depending on how nice the meal and hot the chick. And if you like like doing this in other countries, well travel is pretty pricey too.

You'd not have as much fun low balling girls hoping to get lucky. It's much cheaper to just go the escort route if money is a big concern. This route is more for non-pro / semi-pro contact but you pay a premium for it. And it's not everyone's cup of tea. Some dudes like a girl to just be a pro and treat them.

[QUOTE=Koryu;2686301]Hey guys,

I've been curious about SB but I'm not really rich. But I've noticed some people having Price per meet as much as 1 HR with an escort.

Where can I find more information on this? I went thru this thread a bit but not sure how to even get started or even try. Please share your wisdom.[/QUOTE]

Made the trip down in a rent car, not a good idea, but it worked. Luckily there there were no cops at the checkpoint, so no issues. I had 2 meetings lined up. First, girl is beautiful, but smokes too much weed and dresses horribly, so sad. Really nice, but no chemistry. I ended the session early.

The model is on. Mexican Lockdown, her parents are visiting. This is getting really old, but I love the time we have together. We will see. So, I had an 8:30 meeting lined up with a hot Venz. Doctor at S. Prime. She show up, very hot and beautifully dressed. Very smart and nice. We drink and eat a little, no more big meals for me if I going to have sex after dinner. The staff at the restaurant was in love with this girl, she kind of has big ass, but she is definitely hot.

We start making out at the restaurant, time to go. At this point I am drunk. We get home, she says she can not spend the night, but that changed. We had great sex throughout the night and in the morning. Great Night. I love SA.

I am starting to really miss CDMX, I finally back 90% after my surgery and work is going well, even with bad economy, so I might be heading back to CDMX. I love MTY, but there is no comparison, CDMX is so much better then MTY.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2686915] I love SA.

I am starting to really miss CDMX, I finally back 90% after my surgery and work is going well, even with bad economy, so I might be heading back to CDMX. I love MTY, but there is no comparison, CDMX is so much better then MTY.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I just got back. I have been traveling so much that I got up to Titanium level on Marriott. So I stayed at the Marriott Reforma. I like the Barcelo more and it is cheaper but the location of the Marriott Reforma is IMO as close to as good as it gets. If you are platinum or higher, you can go the club on the 16th floor: great views and free food, and it was good food, 16 hours per day.

So we get up on the top floor of the hotel and look down and it is just stunning: perfect temp, no smog. The Marriott beds are great. The TV has a HDMI hookup and I connected my laptop and we watched a bunch of Netflix and fucked like bunnies.

Thing about Mexico City is that it has so many good American chain restaurants in addition to Mexico's finest. So we go to California Pizza Kitchen and she had the Waldorf salad which I think is as good as it gets for a salad.

We were in Tulum a few months ago. I got a burger and it came with an order of sweet potato fries. My gal tried one and was hooked. I guess there are not many sweet potatoes in Colombia but man does she love anything sweet potato.

I know it sounds like hyperbole but the best super market I have ever been to in the world is City Market in Mexico City. I figured they would have some sweet potato dishes and they did. I just cannot even describe this market. It just blows away your senses. The very notion you should visit a city for a supermarket sounds stupid, but check it out first and then call me stupid.

I had a ham sandwich, one of the best I haver ever had, best chocolate mint ice cream. Maybe you know Mason Kaiser a desert place for coffee and sweets in the airport and around the city. My gal loves macaroons and usually loads up there, but they had macaroons at City Market. The first one we tried was purple or grape flavored. OMG. My gal is screaming with the first bite it was so good. She loaded up a huge bag of goodies for her trip back to Colombia.

And finally we leave the hotel, there is this huge parade down Avenue Reforma. There are thousands of people marching, smiling, and a huge trailer with a band and group of singers rocking it out. I am actually starting to feel some tears. I do not want to leave. I have had a great place to stay, my gal, and this city which may be my most favorite in the world. As usual, my girl is crying. She told me the first time I left her she cried the whole next day. I am trying to see her every 2 weeks now. We were apart 3 weeks and she has constantly been telling me "no mas tres samanas."

The only reason I came to Mexico City at all was a layover, and the city just blew me away and I was there for a few short hours. I even remember stupidly calling a friend of mine asking if it was safe the first time I was there.

Every time I go now, I ask why the fuck is everyone in the USA not talking about this place? It is so amazing and so close. Even from a hobby POV, I think this city is the best value in North America.

If my gal did not have a daughter, I think we would get a place there and I would just come see her. She has friends there, one of whom is almost as pretty as she is.

For any guy looking to do a long term thing with a Latina SB, this is the fucking place: easy and frequent flights to the USA, usually no visa needed for her, and you get to be in a city with an energy level that can only be matched by NYC, London, and Paris at a third the price. Every time I go, I am blown away.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2686993]Yeah, I just got back. I have been traveling so much that I got up to Titanium level on Marriott. So I stayed at the Marriott Reforma. I like the Barcelo more and it is cheaper but the location of the Marriott Reforma is IMO as close to as good as it gets. If you are platinum or higher, you can go the club on the 16th floor: great views and free food, and it was good food, 16 hours per day.

So we get up on the top floor of the hotel and look down and it is just stunning: perfect temp, no smog. The Marriott beds are great. The TV has a HDMI hookup and I connected my laptop and we watched a bunch of Netflix and fucked like bunnies.

Thing about Mexico City is that it has so many good American chain restaurants in addition to Mexico's finest. So we go to California Pizza Kitchen and she had the Waldorf salad which I think is as good as it gets for a salad.

We were in Tulum a few months ago. I got a burger and it came with an order of sweet potato fries. My gal tried one and was hooked. I guess there are not many sweet potatoes in Colombia but man does she love anything sweet potato.

I know it sounds like hyperbole but the best super market I have ever been to in the world is City Market in Mexico City. I figured they would have some sweet potato dishes and they did. I just cannot even describe this market. It just blows away your senses. The very notion you should visit a city for a supermarket sounds stupid, but check it out first and then call me stupid.

I had a ham sandwich, one of the best I haver ever had, best chocolate mint ice cream. Maybe you know Mason Kaiser a desert place for coffee and sweets in the airport and around the city. My gal loves macaroons and usually loads up there, but they had macaroons at City Market. The first one we tried was purple or grape flavored. OMG. My gal is screaming with the first bite it was so good. She loaded up a huge bag of goodies for her trip back to Colombia..[/QUOTE]Yes, M. City is amazing. I love how you can be at fancy restaurant, they hand out candles and the DJ will play a song. Everyone is the restaurant stops what they are doing and sings the song, just so much fun. I really miss it.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2685854]When I stayed there in 2020 it was 2000 mxn to 3000 mxn the most for an over nighter. The women are hot sex was good but nothing beats Cancun and the amazing pussy there.

Cheers,

Peace.[/QUOTE]I love Cozumel, Cancun was a bit touristy 10 years ago. And I had GF.

Returned from 10 weeks in Colombia. (a few weeks ago) had some travel business & photography planned. But the RAIN was so unpredictable, I switched to meeting (who knows how many) mostly Seeking and a a few other girls. LOL Before I left I booked a return for June 7. Summer in the SW USA can be unbearable. I will probably visit Colombia 2 times but only 2-3 weeks at a time the summer. I made a reservation for up in the mountains near Bogota with my favorite (new) SA girl. She doesn't even act like the rest. Punctual, Hot as F. Doesn't need much $. Maybe I could do an Elvis repeat and go exclusive. Yep. She will travel anywhere with me. Meet anywhere (well no papers yet) I could do worse but I don't think I can do much better. Yet I have all these numbers for girls I have not had time to meet. So sad. .

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2687156]I love Cozumel, Cancun was a bit touristy 10 years ago. And I had GF.[/QUOTE]So I was stuck in Cancun at the peak of Covid lockdown in 2020 April and May and the whole Hotel Zone was shut down with only 4-5 hotels open. I stayed in the hotel zone during April and then for May on the outskirts of cancun in another hotel on playa mujeres or something like that but I forgot the actual place.

With my work timings in night with the UAE and all day was free in Hotel which had offered me an interesting package all inclusive with 3 meals and alcohol for a crazy cheap price for 2 people.

I had not much knowledge of Spanish and SA was the only way to go as I had amazing experiences in Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama and Vnz on the website during January, February and March.

Took a car on rent from the hotel and it was a blast as city was shut down, zona hotelra is empty and isolated with police on both entry points and no one can go in beside the hotel residents and I used to bring food and drink packets for them and they knew me as a amigo. Beach was empty so used to invite SA girls by picking them up from the city to Zona Hotelra, they are happy with the day time outing and all inclusive lunch, swimming pool and free beach access with drinks. 2000 mxn was the usual allowance I gave to almost all the women quietly putting in her bag in the evening when had to drop her back to the city and many of them just stayed overnight on the next meeting as food and drinks were all free to them at the hotel.

Had some amazing women:

Doctor.

Nurse.

Barber.

Student.

Teacher.

Mother.

Bar Tender.

Sisters.

Then Colombian Women.

Venezuelan.

Argentinean.

From Playa Del Carmen.

From Tulum.

Ecuadorian.

Swedish.

Russian.

Ukrainian.

Waitress.

Hostess.

Submissive.

Threesome.

Public Sex.

Highway.

Car.

Just saw a video of Zona Hotelra a few days ago on YT and its crazy how its crowded these days and how it was then, when I was there. Looks unimaginable gosh it was beautiful.

May was even more crazier in other Hotel it was a time share hotel 1000 Rooms and only 7 Guests with 4 Rooms booked and mine was the 5th Room to be booked.

Imagine what all I did in that hotel.

Crazy it was and then June and July in CDMX was even more crazier.

Gosh I miss Mexico: wish I had the Magic Potion with me in Cancun, it would have been absolutely crazy.

Cheers.

Peace.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2687162]Punctual, Hot as F. Doesn't need much $. Maybe I could do an Elvis repeat and go exclusive. Yep. She will travel anywhere with me. Meet anywhere (well no papers yet) I could do worse but I don't think I can do much better. Yet I have all these numbers for girls I have not had time to meet. So sad..[/QUOTE]Don, of all the guys I have met from the site, I think you and Dramafree have the potential to do what I have done. I think part of the reason I have stayed in this world is that I do not want to obsess on her and be hurt if I lose her. I want to know that I could go back to my old life because it was not that bad, but part of me just cannot believe this is sustainable.

We have not had one fight. Usually the sexual desire dies down after three months. We have been out over a year and it has gotten better. I still have not looked at any woman anywhere and said "This girl is prettier than mine". She gives me mani / pedis, packs my suitcase, does my laundry, and when we were out, she carries everything and insists on it. She has crazy strength and stamina, and the only thing she asks for is more sex and more time with me. I think this is the only way I could be monogamous because anyone else would be a disappointment. I am so grateful for this, and I do not know if it can be achieved but I want everyone to have a relationship like I do. I really do. I just do not know if there are many more like her. It is fucking crazy.

You are going to have front your gal $400 or so in cash to fly her to Mexico City but you should do it when you can.

As for Cancun, there is a casa section and also the mileroticas site where you can get pussy at Mexican prices. Outside of that, the women on seeking and at the strip clubs want close to USA prices, $300 to $400 per hour but they are very hot. The SA / seeking women want USA rates as well, but they are stunning too.

But my take is that if you want a hot woman in Cancun at a reasonable price, you import them from Mexico City or Monterrey. Puerto Vallarta has a good scene at reasonable prices as does Acapulco and Mazatlan. Cabo like Cancun has inflated prices.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2687162]Returned from 10 weeks in Colombia. (a few weeks ago) had some travel business & photography planned. But the RAIN was so unpredictable, I switched to meeting (who knows how many) mostly Seeking and a a few other girls. LOL Before I left I booked a return for June 7. Summer in the SW USA can be unbearable. I will probably visit Colombia 2 times but only 2-3 weeks at a time the summer. I made a reservation for up in the mountains near Bogota with my favorite (new) SA girl. She doesn't even act like the rest. Punctual, Hot as F. Doesn't need much $. Maybe I could do an Elvis repeat and go exclusive. Yep. She will travel anywhere with me. Meet anywhere (well no papers yet) I could do worse but I don't think I can do much better. Yet I have all these numbers for girls I have not had time to meet. So sad..[/QUOTE]Love your reports. If I was to go back to Colombia, I would be hanging out in Bogota, and the Mountains sound like a nice change from the Texas heat.

When I was in MDE it rained almost everyday for 1-3 hours in the afternoons, and it was Humid as Hell. I guess it was bad timing for me. The weather reminded me of Houston weather, without A. C.

Well, here is my final report on my experiences using [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]. As you will recall, I signed up for a three-month premium membership, which actually ended a few weeks ago. And to be perfectly honest, I couldn't wait! A big thumbs down to [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] from me! And the reason? Well, at least in the United States, the site is just infested with fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. It's just overwhelming and totally ruins the experience. It all started out incredibly well for me. Unbelievably well! I Met somebody who fit the bill with barebacking and cumming inside. The whole enchilada. But, it went way downhill from there. So many fake profiles and / or time wasters. The old adage that "if it looks too good to be true it probably is" most certainly applied. I mean, it was so bad that one time when I was looking at new member profiles, there were two profiles side-by-side with the exact same picture, but with different names and totally different geographical locations! Hahaha!

Summing it all up, I ended up meeting three girls over my three month "experiment". I could have met at least a couple of more for sure, but I backed out due to distance. They were both like an hour and a half away each, and I just decided it wasn't worth the drive. One of those I'm sure was a straight up prostitute. I asked her about anal, and she said she would try (that means "no" and was just a weak attempt to keep somebody on the hook). Of the three I did meet, one we decided right off the bat to keep it platonic. Another I could have fucked, but although she was cute in her own way, I simply was not "stirred' by her sexually. So, I just never followed up after a nice dinner out with her. And of course, the other was my "grand slam home run" who I wrote about in my very first report. But in the end, simply too much work for too little return. Seeking is out of the question for me going forward, along with the other two "S's". That would be stripclubs and swinging.

Through it all, most people were pretty civil online. Rarely did I run into anybody who was just plain rude. There are a couple I remember though. One was like, "You can't afford me". I responded, "I don't need to" and blocked her. Then one girl I initiated contact with said, "Hard no". How about you "hard gnaw" on these here nuts? LOLOLOL! Then there was one who I just couldn't resist taking a shot at. Going on about her "snarky" self in her profile. I wrote, "Yes, snarky and broke"! LOL! I will say that at least in the American scene, there is a lot of "golden pussy syndrome" you have to put up with too. Women over-valuing the worth of their pussies and expecting you to explain why you're worth their (broke) time. Fuck that! I just have no time for it. What successful monger does? I don't. Stopped putting up with "normal dating" bullshit a very long time ago! One chick told me she liked a "dirty old man" (American attitude). I replied that I like "nasty young women". So it's a match! No seriously, I'm glad I gave Seeking a go. I definitely experienced the highs and the lows of it. But when it's all said and done, it's not for me. It's just too hard to consistently find that which I seek on the site, and I would gather within the sugaring world in general. For this reason, I am out! Congrats to those of you who have found success and love it. From here on out, I'll stick to more classic-style mongering thank you!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2685371]I still do not think that guys really get what sugar babies are. They are an investment in a friendship, and you should care where the money you are giving her is going. That is the daddy part of the sugar daddy relationship, and I take it seriously.

[/QUOTE]Elvis. From an ISG point of view guys on ISG / SA / Seeking. Are probably NOT looking for platonic deals. If they are looking around S. America on SA. They know P4 P is very possible and can, might, should. (we hope) LOL end up with the whole package. Any "friends with benefits" statements will get you banned on Reddit. I would not last long there. Let's keep that a secret. I guess what I'm saying is very few guys in this subsection on ISG think like those in the USA do. We start out thinking about "friends with benefits" and test the relationship before flying her to the moon. then someone nice comes along.. we can't possibly meet in the USA sex prison. Well that's my current story, flight attendant, perfect English.. blonde, 35 years younger, sex is a natural phenomenon not some negotiating tactic. where do I sign?

I find your posts helpful and information-rich. I've been sticking my toes in the water at SA but it's SOOO much work and, for the US at least, I just don't find that many visually appealing targets, maybe 5%. Of those maybe one in 10 is not going to have GPS or be a flake yadda yadda. So I'm at a hit rate of about 1 in 200 for even consider a meet up. Compare that to any venue in Brasil or Europe where I find my reject rate at closer to 50 %. It makes the flight worth it.

Strip clubs may be making a comeback. I was at a couple last month and was surprised how open most of the hot ones were to making arrangements outside the club for SA money.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2687495]I find your posts helpful and information-rich. I've been sticking my toes in the water at SA but it's SOOO much work and, for the US at least, I just don't find that many visually appealing targets, maybe 5%. Of those maybe one in 10 is not going to have GPS or be a flake yadda yadda. So I'm at a hit rate of about 1 in 200 for even consider a meet up. Compare that to any venue in Brasil or Europe where I find my reject rate at closer to 50 %. It makes the flight worth it.

Strip clubs may be making a comeback. I was at a couple last month and was surprised how open most of the hot ones were to making arrangements outside the club for SA money.[/QUOTE]Last trip there (Medellin) the girls at La Isla were off the charts. & most were available. BUT 2 months earlier, all dogs. YMMV I hope someday to see Brazil.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2687475] I signed up for a three-month premium membership, which actually ended a few weeks ago. And to be perfectly honest, I couldn't wait! A big thumbs down to [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] from me! And the reason? Well, at least in the United States, the site is just infested with fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. It's just overwhelming and totally ruins the experience.[/QUOTE]I think you have proven what has been well documented in this forum. Seeking is not a suitable platform for landing pussy in the USA. It does however work well in many other countries.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2687507]I think you have proven what has been well documented in this forum. Seeking is not a suitable platform for landing pussy in the USA. It does however work well in many other countries.[/QUOTE]Um no. I have to totally disagree with that statement. My POV is completely the opposite! In other countries there are tons of great venues for pussy FKK, Boate, fishbowl, blowjob bar! But for me in USA Seeking is by far the best way.

I think it's 29 girls I've banged on SA in the US. But honestly the number isn't the most important part. It's the quality. I'd say at least ten were amazing women I'd love to see again (and many I did). Best sex of my life is currently underway with a Seeking girl. Amazing bareback with some damn fine and intelligent women. Absolutely.

To each his own. But for me it's a god send.

P.S. Cane. What happened to your home run bareback CIP hottie?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2687475]Well, here is my final report on my experiences using [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]. As you will recall, I signed up for a three-month premium membership, which actually ended a few weeks ago. And to be perfectly honest, I couldn't wait! A big thumbs down to [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] from me! And the reason? Well, at least in the United States, the site is just infested with fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. It's just overwhelming and totally ruins the experience. It all started out incredibly well for me. Unbelievably well! I Met somebody who fit the bill with barebacking and cumming inside. The whole enchilada. But, it went way downhill from there. So many fake profiles and / or time wasters. The old adage that "if it looks too good to be true it probably is" most certainly applied. I mean, it was so bad that one time when I was looking at new member profiles, there were two profiles side-by-side with the exact same picture, but with different names and totally different geographical locations! Hahaha!
[/QUOTE]I totally hear you. I also signed up for a three-months membership. In the US, there are just too many fakes and scams as you said, especially those who initiated chats with me who claimed to be Asians. They are complete scams and I simply ignore them. For those that are not scams, they have what you said "golden pussies" syndrome. Also, many of them are simply obese with photos that are heavily filtered. Anyway, just a lot of low quality inventory in the US. Just my personal opinion, but others may feel differently.

I had much better success outside the US with my recent SA experience in Colombia. Would want to try out the SA girls in SEA in a few months next time. Maybe even try out Germany and Netherlands and do something different besides just touring FKK next time.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2687519]Um no. I have to totally disagree with that statement. My POV is completely the opposite! In other countries there are tons of great venues for pussy FKK, Boate, fishbowl, blowjob bar! But for me in USA Seeking is by far the best way.

I think it's 29 girls I've banged on SA in the US. But honestly the number isn't the most important part. It's the quality. I'd say at least ten were amazing women I'd love to see again (and many I did). Best sex of my life is currently underway with a Seeking girl. Amazing bareback with some damn fine and intelligent women. Absolutely.

To each his own. But for me it's a god send.

P.S. Cane. What happened to your home run bareback CIP hottie?[/QUOTE]Steve, um I'm sorry but I can't believe anybody who would assert that Seeking is the best way in the United States to get laid by the type the majority of the guys here like the most, which would be slim, attractive, white girls. These are the ones that carry the highest sexual market value for the most men. And the scammers know it. And for this reason, at least in the States, no way in hell is Seeking the best for that kind of hot piece of ass. If it's the hot white girls you seek, then what you're far more likely to find is a fake, flake, fraudster, or scammer. Now, I'm not here to invalidate your experience. But, I won't allow mine to be invalidated either. And as for my "grand slam homerun, bareback, CIP hottie"? We're still an item. Finding her was like finding the proverbial needle in a haystack!

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2687524]I totally hear you. I also signed up for a three-months membership. In the US, there are just too many fakes and scams as you said, especially those who initiated chats with me who claimed to be Asians. They are complete scams and I simply ignore them. For those that are not scams, they have what you said "golden pussies" syndrome. Also, many of them are simply obese with photos that are heavily filtered. Anyway, just a lot of low quality inventory in the US. Just my personal opinion, but others may feel differently.

I had much better success outside the US with my recent SA experience in Colombia. Would want to try out the SA girls in SEA in a few months next time. Maybe even try out Germany and Netherlands and do something different besides just touring FKK next time.[/QUOTE]To be clear I'm not disagreeing that the vast majority of girls on SA are not worth your time. Absolutely true. But it's also the only place in the US where a 7 or 8 is going to bareback you and sleep over for a few hundred bucks. It just ain't happening any other way!

Would you spend a week mucking out horse shit if there was a 5 carat diamond hidden in there? Some would. Some wouldn't. I am down to muck through all the horseshit in the world to find my diamonds. Think I just found another BTW. We will see.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2687507]I think you have proven what has been well documented in this forum. Seeking is not a suitable platform for landing pussy in the USA. It does however work well in many other countries.[/QUOTE]Works great for me in Mexico, I could not be happier. It does work in the states, but takes a lot of work and decent budget.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2687546]To be clear I'm not disagreeing that the vast majority of girls on SA are not worth your time. Absolutely true. But it's also the only place in the US where a 7 or 8 is going to bareback you and sleep over for a few hundred bucks. It just ain't happening any other way!

Would you spend a week mucking out horse shit if there was a 5 carat diamond hidden in there? Some would. Some wouldn't. I am down to muck through all the horseshit in the world to find my diamonds. Think I just found another BTW. We will see.[/QUOTE]I have used SA exclusively in the US as well as outside the US. It is hard work to find something really good, but worth the effort in my opinion. I am in my 60's, still enjoy the sport, but find myself wanting more out of it. SA gives me that. I can find a woman who I enjoy spending time with, sexy as hell, can hold a conversation and can shag with the best of them. That holds true in the US and internationally. I have 3 right now I spend my time with, 21,v32 & 39. I have 2 international that we still chat on a regular basis, both still in their early 20's and its been a couple years since I saw them.

For all the SA haters out there, be willing to put in a little effort and it will pay dividends.

I hope any of you with experience from London can give me some good advice?!

As intro; I'm on SA for 4 yrs, most arrangements are in south-east Europe, and occasionally I take women from SE Europe with me on my travels to western Europe. This time I'm thinking of arranging a date in London. So I did some pre-work (yeah, I've read many pages here; from the very first day on SA I practice only 30-days subscription, then I pause (even for 6+ months) since the filtering is a full-time job!) and one of possible dates "shocked me a bit".

She sent me one longer msg. Prt scr attached. And then we moved to Wapp.

So far I had two arrangements in LON, back in 2018 (both dates were very very good experience; Polish girls are / can be crazy)) !) and was 400/350. One was overnight until midday, followed by (after finally house keeping managed to "fix my room) daytime 3+ hrs tea in bar and amazing sex. That was funny stuff to handle the matter one out / another on-hold in bar while "begging" reception to do finally my room!

Out from what I read here, nowadays really are those prices in LON?

To me seems also this gal is pro. Not much texting on SA, she just sent Hi, and then that long text. On Wapp she just asked if I'm in LON, and then "OK see you then" and she sent me also 4 her pics.

One other, from UK around 35 year old, is looking for discreet arrangements but no any mention so far about gift for her. And then is another Australian (as above one), 36 yo with whom we chat in that real mode to get to know each other, before.

Thanks for any of your tips!

* now after I found this tread will try to post more, with some past SA experiences from several dates.

[QUOTE=Bdb013;2687685]For all the SA haters out there, be willing to put in a little effort and it will pay dividends.[/QUOTE]I'm not a hater. I'm a [B]realist[/B]. And as most people who claim to have gained much benefit from the site say, that hasn't come from "a little effort". Not even "a lot" if you ask me. We're talking a "herculean effort" to find a few diamonds buried in stinky shit (Steve's own words). I have better ways to use my time. Now, if one has the money, the time, and a passport then head for over the seas where "tuting" (as Mr. Ho puts it) is legal. Believe this. But don't talk to me about "effort". I worked like a dog at it for three months. [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] won't reap another thin dime of my money to help support their fraud-filled site! No way, no how!

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2687492]Elvis. From an ISG point of view guys on ISG / SA / Seeking. Are probably NOT looking for platonic deals. If they are looking around S. America on SA. They know P4 P is very possible and can, might, should. (we hope) LOL end up with the whole package.[/QUOTE]I am not talking platonic. I just posted on another forum that you have to cast a wide net and have a short memory. I will never have a SB who is bad in the sack. I get them in the sack as quick as I can to see if they are SB material or not.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2687492]Well that's my current story, flight attendant, perfect English.. blonde, 35 years younger, sex is a natural phenomenon not some negotiating tactic. where do I sign?[/QUOTE]If you can find one that can satisfy you, that is the ultimate to me. You said that Seeking was way better than ho sex, and that is something I knew to be true as well. The girl cares about you for money but also likes you.

When you go exclusive, the sex you are having and the intimacy is at a whole new level. The sex I had at the SB level was great but when I went exclusive, it was the next level up. My woman gives me everything she has now, and it is the best sex I have ever had in my life.

Temptation flares a little when my gal is not around but when I am with her, I do not care to be with anyone else. If you feel like you are not missing out on anything when you are with your gal, then I would go for exclusivity. In marriage you are giving up seeing other women and getting nothing in return. With my gal and I suspect with yours, they are going to make sure you are rewarded.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2687475]Summing it all up, I ended up meeting three girls over my three month "experiment". I could have met at least a couple of more for sure, but I backed out due to distance. They were both like an hour and a half away each, and I just decided it wasn't worth the drive. One of those I'm sure was a straight up prostitute. I asked her about anal, and she said she would try (that means "no" and was just a weak attempt to keep somebody on the hook). Of the three I did meet, one we decided right off the bat to keep it platonic. Another I could have fucked, but although she was cute in her own way, I simply was not "stirred' by her sexually. So, I just never followed up after a nice dinner out with her. And of course, the other was my "grand slam home run" who I wrote about in my very first report. But in the end, simply too much work for too little return. Seeking is out of the question for me going forward, along with the other two "S's". That would be stripclubs and swinging.![/QUOTE]Sure, the yield getting sugar babies from strip clubs was higher than seeking, and I went bare with the strippers more often that not. The downside to them is you cannot get that intimate with them. They have been trained to milk as much as they can out of guys. The seeking women were harder to find but IMO of better character.

Thing is I would really get like one date a month from seeking in the USA, one a day in Mexico, and in Colombia, it was like three per day. So I get giving it up in the USA. The real value though IMO is abroad.

This is the unfortunate result when desperate Newbs backed up after 2 years of quarantine flood SA and of course "girls" take advantage of them.

For instance, this poster was initially quite reluctant and skeptical about SA, when Covid just hit.

"The sugar baby thing isn't for me! Reminds me of tutes asking me to tip them just because they spent some of their invaluable time to chatting with me. " this was on 5/12/20.

But in.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2642781&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2642781.

"I've decided to look into SA starting in 2022. One thing I would like to know is this. Typically how many duds do you have to wade through before you find one girl that you vibe well enough with that you end up bedding her? I know this is something we all have to work at, but you seem to enjoy yourself, and you've been successful. So give me a rough number of how many encounters on average for you to find a gem who delivers the kind of experience you're looking for. Is it 10,15, or 20? More? Please keep it real."

OK, good, this was a realistic question.

Then the initial giddiness.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2647704&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2647704.

"After being on SA for just a short while, I have a few observations to make. First of all, I don't know about anywhere else, but in my town, there are some damn fine ass black girls on that site! I'm talking smoking! And I'm not even into black girls that much. Brother Steve, if this is what you been fucking, then man I can see why you are one happy man. I got to take my hat off to you. Just damn! Second, there is a plenty of what I like the most too. And that would be young, blonde, white, and tight! I haven't had a full membership for even a whole week yet, and already I have my first meet and greet set up with a real cutie! Wow! We've already exchanged photos, been on the phone, and everything! And she knows I'm not looking for just "platonic."

I mean, am I in a dream? I thought I could have some success with this thing, but not like this so fast! I mean, she's almost too good to be true! And you know what they say about that. I'm trying not to look a gift horse in the mouth here!

And then the inevitable comedown.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2687475&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2687475.

"As you will recall, I signed up for a three-month premium membership, which actually ended a few weeks ago. And to be perfectly honest, I couldn't wait! A big thumbs down to [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] from me! And the reason? Well, at least in the United States, the site is just infested with fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. It's just overwhelming and totally ruins the experience. Seeking is out of the question for me going forward, along with the other two "S's". That would be stripclubs and swinging."

Honestly, this is a textbook example of initial skepticism, to curiosity, then euphoria, then disappointment, and finally hatred.

I feel like the people who have used it for a while have actually given sound advice.

Steve said in one of the earliest posts in January 2020:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2411270&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2411270.

"I am a relative Newbie at it having just pulled my first girl in June. But I've pulled 15 girls since June and had some awesome experiences, many of which I can and will share here. IMO in the US it's the only way to fly tho I have had a good experience in London and Buenos Aires also.

The key point is it does in fact take a ton of time, which I don't mind. I typically start my search for the perfect girl about a month ahead of visiting a given city and am on SA every night. If you like chatting with girls and finding the gems in the pile of BS like I do (there is something viscerally satisfying about it) then it's not work but part of the fun."

I said the following in late January 2020:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2416654&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2416654.

"I have been with SA on and off for 4 years. Mostly on, and when I was off, I tried secret benefits and a couple of other sites but SA has been my best site for a while. The biggest problem is the sheer number of fakers, no sex girls, girls looking for online only arrangements, and many outright scammers. It is a lot of work. But I the end it is all rewarding if you get hold of some good girls. The good news is that over time you build your database. Now I have several dozen girls in my stable so to speak."

I know MW, Elvis, several others who are experienced SDs have provided sound advice too. All of it documented, easily searchable.

On Jan 2, 2022 I said this:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2646008&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2646008.

"I don't disagree there is a high amount of flakiness and if anything, it has increased massively since the pandemic.

That said, I don't disagree that SA is a lot of work. I used to think success rate is 5% to 10% at most, now it is probably 2%. I. E. If I send a "Hello, how are you?" message to 100 girls, the chance that I will actually fuck one of them is 2/100, AT the price point I want to. Even if I went up to $500 or more, the chance only increases to 10% to 20%. Nearly 50% or more of the "girls" on SA are absolute scammers, thieves."

In Jan'2022 I said the following.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2646468&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2646468.

"I would say, 30% or more are total scammers. I. E. They might be dudes sitting in some foreign country looking to scam some money off horny US gentlemen.

At least a third or more will not have sex whatsoever. Platonic only. Nearly 80% of 18-20 age group falls into this category. Most of them do not even want to meet. Some of these girls can be totally clueless.

I'd say, the remaining (may be a third) are open to meet, perhaps to sex. Since I don't outright ask for sex due to concern about sting operations, it is always somewhat implied, never stated. I typically ask to meet for a drink / coffee meet. Here, many discussions break down. Quite a few want upfront payment for the intro meet. "why should I meet you and spend time if I don't get compensated" is a common refrain.

The change I have seen is that prepandemic to now, the percent demanding upfront payment has spiked up a lot. Very puzzling because so many are broke and need money.

Some of them are full of themselves. "my time is of value" they arrogantly claim.

That leaves really 10-20% who are truly interested and will meet and have sex and all that; since I will always have a allowance negotiation prior to a intro coffee meet, and with my strict discipline, I lose quite a few there."

The problem is that if you are the Newb type who will spike the ball after scoring a first down but leave the game after your first fumble, SA is not your thing. Experienced SA'ers knew this all along and even repeated the advice multiple times. Patience gets rewarded. Enjoy the process. Take your time. Don't pay up, don't get emotional; when things are low, keep your chin up and when things are high, don't strut and dance. These are good things to keep in mind in life, and definitely true on SA.

Had a amazing experience with an SB. Before my account expired I messaged some girls and got their numbers. I was up front, and most did not reply back except for one. We met up for dinner and drinks, then headed back to my place after. It was BBFSCIP. Had her lay belly down on the bed and fucked, damn her pussy was so tight. Pulled her legs close against me and went at it in doggy for a bit. I put her on top of me in cowgirl and had her ride me until she came. Then switched to missionary and half came inside her pussy then pulled out and finished the rest on her body. She told me she is on BC so crisis adverted.

This was one if not the best arrangement I had so far and will probably meet her again. Even though this was a great experience and no golden pussy syndrome. I'm not renewing my membership until I travel outside the country. In the US I got with 4 girls in the past 3 months and like others said it was a ton of work and hours spent. Two of them were great and I will meet with again.

[QUOTE=Mmusic;2687753]I hope any of you with experience from London can give me some good advice?!

She sent me one longer msg. Prt scr attached. And then we moved to Wapp.[/QUOTE]My experience from years of receiving internet messages is that when the communication style changes it means the person is lying or scamming.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2687845]This is the unfortunate result when desperate Newbs backed up after 2 years of quarantine flood SA and of course "girls" take advantage of them.

For instance, this poster was initially quite reluctant and skeptical about SA, when Covid just hit.

"The sugar baby thing isn't for me! Reminds me of tutes asking me to tip them just because they spent some of their invaluable time to chatting with me. " this was on 5/12/20..[/QUOTE]Like I said, I experienced the highs and the lows. I went into it as kind of a three-month experiment, not as a "desperate newb" as you put it, so you know what you can do with that. If I liked it, I would continue with it, and if I didn't then I would stop it. I said that I would share my experiences with three field reports summing up my time as a member, and I did exactly that in a very open and honest and emotionally raw way, with the hope that it would give all reading one person's real world take on what it's like to use [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]. I give thanks to you for zealously spending your time summarizing my posts as you did as that pulls the whole three months together quite nicely. I could not have done a better job myself. Mission accomplished!

But, I must say that there's nothing "unfortunate" about it or something to "hate". Don't be so dramatic. It's not that important to me in my life LOL! It is what it is, and now I'm happily moving on after three solid months of working it with 100's and 100's and 100's of contacts. That's hardly "spiking the ball" after the first score, then walking away after the first "fumble". I don't have those traits in me as a person, and that's not how I live my life. If I did, I never would have achieved the successes in life that I have. It takes "sticktoitiveness" to have success obtaining many things in life worth having. But, it also takes knowing when it's time to cut bait and follow another direction in order to achieve your goals. I know when and how to do that. So, this piece of what you wrote (essentially being a quitter) is nothing more than a mean-spirited mischaracterization of what I did. You actually know nothing of the hours I gave to this. Then too, it's a relatively expensive "dating" site where I think it behooves one to to do a cost-benefit analysis as to whether or not to turn off the spigot sooner rather than later. Three months of [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] getting my money was enough time in my estimation. As wealthy people know, what you keep is as important as what you earn.

This is something that, like you say, I did out of curiosity. But curiosity didn't kill the cat! In your pointers about a tragic lesson, you totally left out the full epilogue. The fact that I did meet one great girl on [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] who I'm still seeing today. She meets all of my physical criteria, we get along great, the sex is at the pinnacle of monger success (BBCIP), and all at a cut rate price too! And I can honestly say that we have become real friends, and I expect that we will remain that way for some time. So yes, I'm saying goodbye to [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]. She did too by the way! But, we haven't said goodbye to each other. And we're both so, so grateful that through it all we found each other. We both know how hard it is to find somebody "real" on Seeking. And this gets to the [B]true core[/B] of the lesson to be learned here, without a need for all of the lengthy analysis. Yes, you can have success on [URL]Seeking.com[/URL], but from my perspective you have to put in way too much work over way too long of a period of time, and all on a service platform that is quite expensive for its particular industry. [B]Making the return on investment not worth it[/B]. At least not to me. But don't cry for me mongerdom! This isn't the play "Death of a Monger". When the time is right, I will be returning to doing what I do. No stripclubs, no swinging, no Seeking. No, I'm talking flying all around the world [B]easily[/B] fucking pretty girls in the ass. I know who I am. And that's the kind of ROI I "seek".

So, do I have a certain disdain for [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]? Oh you better believe I do! But hate? LOLOLOL! That's just silly and too strong a word. "Hate" is an all-consuming thing that only brings you down with it. I have more useful things to spend my time thinking about and moving me on to action versus draining my batteries hating [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]. I'm actually glad that I spent that three months on the site though. I met a great girl out of it. And now I know, and no need to ever wonder "what if". For those of you who love it great! For those of you who hate it don't. It's not that important believe me. And for those of us who have total disdain for it? Let's just be moving it on.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2687759]I'm not a hater. I'm a [B]realist[/B]. And as most people who claim to have gained much benefit from the site say, that hasn't come from "a little effort". Not even "a lot" if you ask me. We're talking a "herculean effort" to find a few diamonds buried in stinky shit (Steve's own words). I have better ways to use my time. Now, if one has the money, the time, and a passport then head for over the seas where "tuting" (as Mr. Ho puts it) is legal. Believe this. But don't talk to me about "effort". I worked like a dog at it for three months. [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] won't reap another thin dime of my money to help support their fraud-filled site! No way, no how![/QUOTE]Yes, the site requires some hard work, that is a given. It is not cheap either. I usually get on a month and then back off for 3 months or so. It can be exhausting weeding thru all the ones on their. Honestly, I weed thru a lot of girls on SA. Fortunately, I can usually get a vibe of where it is going in the first few messages. If she won't give me her number to text in the first few messages, cull. If they ask for money up front, cull. If they are not interested in meeting in the next few days, cull. If they want to do SC or KIK, cull. It is true that only 10-20% on the site are legit prospects and it is time consuming trying to find them. I often get frustrated but quickly remind myself of the pot at the end of the rainbow. The few really good ones I have found have made it worth the effort for me.

I appreciate the depth of your reports. And your transparency.

I have to say, I've had a totally different experience than you.

I normally use SA in somewhat poorer countries (Mexico, Greece, Bolivia, etc). And I'm pretty generous with my offers. Usually 300-350 dollars to join for dinner and action afterward. And I'm not too bad looking, though I'm middle aged.

But my experience is quite different. I hit up girls in the 18-25 range. Usually a canned paragraph- I'm coming to your city for work, looking for some cool company, etc. About 50 pct write back, and I suspect it's only that low because I don't have a profile picture up. Then I quickly try to get to offer time so nobody's wasting time. Of those I offer, about 25 pct bite. Those that don't either are expecting more, or want a long term deal, or want date 1 to be no sex, or whatever.

But still, the math on that is that 12.5 pct or so of the girls I reach out to will be a bed possibility for me.

The odds are quite good.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2687845]This is the unfortunate result when desperate Newbs backed up after 2 years of quarantine flood SA and of course "girls" take advantage of them.

For instance, this poster was initially quite reluctant and skeptical about SA, when Covid just hit.

"The sugar baby thing isn't for me! Reminds me of tutes asking me to tip them just because they spent some of their invaluable time to chatting with me. " this was on 5/12/20.

But in.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2642781&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2642781..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bdb013;2688153]Yes, the site requires some hard work, that is a given. It is not cheap either. I usually get on a month and then back off for 3 months or so. It can be exhausting weeding thru all the ones on their. Honestly, I weed thru a lot of girls on SA. Fortunately, I can usually get a vibe of where it is going in the first few messages..[/QUOTE]I wonder if this is the same looking from the SB side. I think there is a high burnout on girls that join hoping it will be easy money and then get bombarded with dick pics.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2688246]I wonder if this is the same looking from the SB side. I think there is a high burnout on girls that join hoping it will be easy money and then get bombarded with dick pics.[/QUOTE]Based on what I heard from the SBs I met and some others who I communicated with, yes it's the same, and believe it or not maybe even worse. Imagine that! The one who I have kept a relationship with told me that she was on the verge of quitting just at the point in time when I first messaged her. She's now "relieved" to be out of the "sugar bowl".

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2688246]I wonder if this is the same looking from the SB side. I think there is a high burnout on girls that join hoping it will be easy money and then get bombarded with dick pics.[/QUOTE]Yeah definitely. The girls I've talked to say the guys are absolutely gross and come straight at them with pervy requests and scams and all the rest. It's equally exhausting for them. But the good news is all that shit makes guys like you and me stand out!

I would say the average "regular girl" seeking lifetime is 2-4 weeks. You have to be on top of it to catch the good ones.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2688246]I wonder if this is the same looking from the SB side. I think there is a high burnout on girls that join hoping it will be easy money and then get bombarded with dick pics.[/QUOTE]Some do, some don't. Clearly they need some thick skin as well. I see many girls on the site for a long time, while some others churning quickly but coming back with different names and pics and profiles.

Generally, I'd say if a girl is such a wall flower and easily offended by sexual references and nasty pics, she may be shocked and disconnect ASAP or not likely to come to the site in the first place.

Many girls learn to block guys very quickly.

I think they also have tons of unopened messages. I think the ones with sexy pics and come hither profile attract hundreds of messages a day and they get to them slowly if at all.

Keep in mind, while some guys here think all girls on SA are tutes (there are many guys on ISG who think every woman in the world is a tute. I am sorry for such Neanderthals), most girls have regular jobs, school work and so on. Most of them are hoping to make a little side money from SA. As such, checking messages and replying instantly is not a priority.

I have received replies months after I first contacted them. Just last night I heard back from a girl on text. I first said Hello, to her in September, she replied back a few months later, we exchanged numbers and I sent my last text to her in January but she replied yesterday. Some guys might act haughty and feel self important and think she ignored him and hence deserves to be blocked. I have no such pretensions, I will be pleasant and see how far it goes. If ever we meet and go further, great. If it fizzles out, which is much more likely, also fine. The good news is, there are lots of girls on the site and in the world and I am patient.

How do you guys handle the logistics like getting a place to do the deed if it is in your hometown? Do you get a hotel room, go the girl's place or bring her back to yours?

Also, would you drive to a neighboring city, perhaps two hours from your hometown, for a ppm? Curious to know how you guys go about arranging this.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2688474]How do you guys handle the logistics like getting a place to do the deed if it is in your hometown? Do you get a hotel room, go the girl's place or bring her back to yours?

Also, would you drive to a neighboring city, perhaps two hours from your hometown, for a ppm? Curious to know how you guys go about arranging this.[/QUOTE]Always a hotel. Never, ever own home. Have been inside the girl's house a few times but I prefer the first time to be in a hotel. I am a bit paranoid.

Driving. Depends on your status. I am married. My biggest constraint is time and having to explain where I am. Making sure to cover money trail is a moderate concern but real because my spouse is informed, a professional and makes good money and all our accounts are joint accounts. So, withdrawing tens of thousands of dollars for the hobby has to be managed discretely. But really, the time aspect is far more critical for me. Having to come up with credible excuses where I am is not an easy thing especially given she knows a lot of my colleagues.

I assume this is a problem for other married folks here as well. Single guys have it easy.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2688474]How do you guys handle the logistics like getting a place to do the deed if it is in your hometown? Do you get a hotel room, go the girl's place or bring her back to yours?
Also, would you drive to a neighboring city, perhaps two hours from your hometown, for a ppm? Curious to know how you guys go about arranging this.[/QUOTE]I live alone, so I would meet at a nearby restaurant and if all went well, bring them back to my apartment. Never had much problems if we felt good about each other and agreed on terms of an arrangement.

Rarely would drive to another city to meet, then you are on their turf, and would have to go back to their house. A few times it would work, but you have already obligated yourself with your time and gas.

Right now am taking a break. Too much crap on their site and scammers. They want money to meet now-I told them my time was worth more than theirs, if I would be supporting them financially in an arrangement. Often they would hang up the phone at that point, when they realized they could not scam me. They want money for babysitters, sitter for sick aunt they provide home care for, uber money, gas money, etc. If they do not have a car and play this routine, hang up on them! If would never get better than their first attempt to scam you and you could never trust them- its all about the money to most of them and not about sharing a long term arrangement where both people feel comfortable and can travel together and trust.

To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?

TIA.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2688496]They want money for babysitters, sitter for sick aunt they provide home care for, uber money, gas money, etc. If they do not have a car and play this routine, hang up on them! If would never get better than their first attempt to scam you and you could never trust them- its all about the money to most of them and not about sharing a long term arrangement where both people feel comfortable and can travel together and trust.[/QUOTE]Even if they claim to have a car, it still might be advisable to hang up on them. For example, I got hit with the gas money / babysitter scam. I shared that in my second field report I believe it was. At the last minute, "she" (I say it like that because you really never know exactly who you're dealing with most of the time) she wanted me to send $200 for gas and a sitter, when just a few minutes ahead of that request, she had already allegedly left the house headed for the restaurant. Needless to say, I didn't fall for it. Nice try! Some of you may recall the one I told you about who said she could not entertain, but that she had a car and was happy to meet her clients around the metro area. Her fee was $125 per hour (huge red flag for being way below market), and to arrange for a date, all I had to do was send her half of the payment upfront. So for example, if I wanted 2 hours, that would be $250 with half to be paid upfront to to her cash app to "protect her". LOLOLOL! Yeah right! And then get ghosted in the end! I wonder how many suckers fall for that one?

And speaking of not knowing who you're dealing with, here's another one. So, I'm communicating with this attractive young "lady", and she wants to switch to WhatsApp. OK, well here we go! I had already read how this is a favorite tactic of some scammers. So anyway, I agreed to do that (switch to WhatsApp), and guess what? The fraudster forgot to change their WhatsApp photo to match what they were using on the site, and who do I see? A middle-aged white guy with a scruffy beard wearing a dirty, weathered baseball cap! At some point in my Seeking "journey", I decided to have some fun by "fucking with a fraudster". My favorite ones for this were the cryptocurrency crooks. So, what I would do is play along for a bit. Make them think they were slowly reeling me in. Then out of the blue I would say something like, "You understand that I know you're full of shit right? That you're just another scammer! So [B]fuck off[/B]"! Dead "radio silence" hahaha! Then I would block them. Some of these fraudsters definitely wasted some of my time no doubt. A lot of it actually. But nary a one of them got even one red cent out of me. That's for darn sure! And I made sure to strike back on occasion by wasting some of their time too. Hehehe!

[QUOTE=Pk099;2688515]Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?
[/QUOTE]I always tell the woman we would have to meet in person and see how we feel. If we feel comfortable, and like each other we could go back to my place afterwards. No pressure on either of us. That way they are more relaxed and if we come to terms in person, then we can go back to my place and do the deed.

I never throw out the amount money in my messages, nor respond to their requested amount. Talk about $$ is a sign that the woman is more concerned with money than she is with liking you. Its also rude, like a guy telling the girl what type of fetish he wants, or BBBJ, or anal. I always say, We need to meet in person and first see how we feel before it goes any further. No pressure on either of us. After all, its supposed to be about liking the other person. I don't go to bed with anyone, and if there is a connection then the financial support will work itself out. It also depends on how many times we would meet per week, once twice or more, as far as how much financial support they would earn. An allowance has to be earned by good behavior, its not free money. There has to be a connection.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2688515]To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?.[/QUOTE]I never discuss specifics on SA. I get their text number in the first few messages. Then I get right to the point in the first few text messages. Get expectations right away including money. Expectations from both parties on the table.

I start off by asking if they have a place I could come to or what about a hotel? What are their financial expectations. If we are still good, I ask about specifics such as bare, their likes or dislikes, my likes and dislikes.

If we are on the same page, we will set a time to meet. If we are not on the same page, we go our own way.

For me, its best to get to point quickly and not waste anyone's time. It takes time to work these SA contacts, so I try not to waste any more than I need to.

[QUOTE=Bdb013;2688153]Yes, the site requires some hard work, that is a given. It is not cheap either. I usually get on a month and then back off for 3 months or so. It can be exhausting weeding thru all the ones on their. Honestly, I weed thru a lot of girls on SA. Fortunately, I can usually get a vibe of where it is going in the first few messages. If she won't give me her number to text in the first few messages, cull. If they ask for money up front, cull. If they are not interested in meeting in the next few days, cull. If they want to do SC or KIK, cull. It is true that only 10-20% on the site are legit prospects and it is time consuming trying to find them. I often get frustrated but quickly remind myself of the pot at the end of the rainbow. The few really good ones I have found have made it worth the effort for me.[/QUOTE]Great post Bdb! It is better abroad but yes 10-20% is a fair number for the legit prospects in the USA in my experience too.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2688246]I wonder if this is the same looking from the SB side. I think there is a high burnout on girls that join hoping it will be easy money and then get bombarded with dick pics.[/QUOTE]AP, I think it is worse. From what I saw once, the number of legit SDs was in the 2 to 5% range, and that was a while ago. My bet is that it is worse now.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2688480]Always a hotel. Never, ever own home. Have been inside the girl's house a few times but I prefer the first time to be in a hotel. I am a bit paranoid.[/QUOTE]Yeah, when married, I had a hotel run by a Mr. Patel where he would take the cash and not enter me into a data base. You do not get that with the chains. I strayed from that and should not have. He knew what I was up to, but he took my money because I never caused anyone trouble.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2688480]I assume this is a problem for other married folks here as well. Single guys have it easy.[/QUOTE]Yeah, we do, and the stress of cheating takes more of a toll than most married men are willing to admit. I did not know how much weight was on my shoulders until after the divorce.

The best excuse I ever heard was going to the gym and leaving your phone in a locker and going with your burner after that. You can even take a shower after the deed.

But I think wives still know. I came home one time after showering and got all the glitter off. ("Honey, I was not a strip club. I tried making you a card with all that glitter but with that attitude, I am not giving it to you. ") and the ex-wife said you went to a strip club. I asked why she thought that, and she told me it was the only time I was happy.

Maybe some guys can pull it off, but apparently I could not with mine. I think most wives know but will themselves to believe it is not true.

If your wife is making it and bringing an equal or significant amount to the marriage, Pessimist, IMO she is the rare wife who is not a ho. A ho takes money for sex. A pro takes money for sex from many men. There are a lot of wives who are glorified hos, and a lot of SBs who are pros.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2688515]To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?.[/QUOTE]Outside SA for sure. If you mention $ for sex on the site, you will get banned. It is even better to go to WhatsApp or Telegram over simple texting because those sites are encrypted.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2688515]To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?.[/QUOTE]I never mention sex in my chats or messages. It is a huge No No. I do mention a range of allowance I am comfortable with. Some girls understand what is Involved and some others either don't, or pretend not to know, or just want more details. When they ask "what do I have to do for this allowance, or what will we do when we meet" I say let's meet up and figure out. If they still pretend not to understand, I keep quiet and some of them come back and ask to meet and others simply disappear. Either way, I am fine. But I will never put down in texting that sex is expected.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2688515]To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?

TIA.[/QUOTE]Some girls will ask you on SA. I prefer to do it over text, ask if they're ok with ppm then give an amount. I'd rather know sooner they're expecting $1500 for ppm before wasting my time meeting them. I was recently told by a 38 yo she gets over 1 k a meet. I couldn't believe that but I don't doubt her. She asked me what I had in mind for allowance before we switched to text.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2688156]I appreciate the depth of your reports. And your transparency.

I have to say, I've had a totally different experience than you.

I normally use SA in somewhat poorer countries (Mexico, Greece, Bolivia, etc). And I'm pretty generous with my offers. Usually 300-350 dollars to join for dinner and action afterward. And I'm not too bad looking, though I'm middle aged.

But my experience is quite different. I hit up girls in the 18-25 range. Usually a canned paragraph- I'm coming to your city for work, looking for some cool company, etc. About 50 pct write back, and I suspect it's only that low because I don't have a profile picture up. Then I quickly try to get to offer time so nobody's wasting time. Of those I offer, about 25 pct bite. Those that don't either are expecting more, or want a long term deal, or want date 1 to be no sex, or whatever..[/QUOTE]Thank you! I am not surprised at your success. I even said the same when some European asked for advice in this thread a few months ago. I am convinced girls command the highest prices at comparable quality in the US, which is hardly shocking. Sex is expensive in the US, we all know. I have used SA in W EU (not in Germany where I prefer FKKs) and while I did not use profusely, I still got tremendous service from good looking girls at 200, or slightly more.

I'd say, 3 variables matter. Location, individual chemistry, luck. Like real estate, price / quality / quantity are considerably dependent on location. Individual chemistry is important. A girl might give something to a guy at some price that might not give another guy at the same or even higher price. SA is not prostitution with standardized rates. Finally, luck. Can never underestimate this. I have gotten lucky on SA sometimes, I also was unlucky, and sometimes I knew it while happening and other times, I realized it was luck or misfortune only in hindsight.

But I am quite with you. Especially in the poorer, E EU / see EU locations, I am quite convinced you can get good sex at low prices. SA might or might not be the best site. Language is an issue but there may be other sites through which one could find better deals. A gentleman called Bfsie, posting from Germany 3 years ago said he used a different site as far as I remember. He had been a long time user of sugarbabes and seemed to be having a ball and his prices were really on par with FKK at that time (100 EUro per hour) with quite a few goodies occasionally for free (BBFS, CIM, anal, etc). That was in Germany, so it may be even cheaper in E EU. But one has to know the local sites for that to happen.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2688474]How do you guys handle the logistics like getting a place to do the deed if it is in your hometown? Do you get a hotel room, go the girl's place or bring her back to yours?

Also, would you drive to a neighboring city, perhaps two hours from your hometown, for a ppm? Curious to know how you guys go about arranging this.[/QUOTE]I eventually stopped using hotels in my hometown, because it was getting expensive, I got flaked on so many times and so ended up paying for hotel without using it many times, and using hotels do not make it easy to hide your identity from the gal.

I would never let an SB know where I live. So I would never host.

At first, I traveled to neighboring cities a lot to meet SBs, and that was hit or miss, but mostly miss, and a lot of time wasted.

Eventually, my main criteria for SBs in my hometown was if she could host. If not, then I passed. At first, it was a little scary to enter a stranger's home (what if she had guys there to beat me up and steal my money and take and post pictures of me? And so I would text someone her address just before I entered her place. I would always tell them straight up that I was doing this for my protection, and they all thought this was sensible. But one gal said that I should not worry becuase why would she let anything bad happen since I knew where she lived, and I thought that was a good point. But to be honest, it is rare to find an SB that can host or is willing to host.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2688704]But to be honest, it is rare to find an SB that can host or is willing to host.[/QUOTE]In my town any girl under 30 has not hosted. They are either students or early stage workers in share accom. 30+ divorced or professional established career girls are more confident to host.

FYI on my profile I say that I will host but I never do (I can't). I find that this offer is enough to pass a girls 'sniff' test as to why I would be reluctant to host. So my ostensible offer to host unlocks hosting opportunities.

I paid my premium two weeks ago and yesterday got permanently suspended. The only trigger l can recall is A girl says 5000 peso per appointment and l say something back. So you guys just block that girl in this scenario? Do you guys get the girl WhatsApp or telegram right off the bat and not even small chitchat? I created two unpaid account using random outlook account and both of them got banned within 3 minutes.

Any SA alternative recommend for country like Mexico, Colombia?

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2688679]Some girls will ask you on SA. I prefer to do it over text, ask if they're ok with ppm then give an amount. I'd rather know sooner they're expecting $1500 for ppm before wasting my time meeting them. I was recently told by a 38 yo she gets over 1 k a meet. I couldn't believe that but I don't doubt her. She asked me what I had in mind for allowance before we switched to text.[/QUOTE]One thing a lot of guys don't realize is that discussing PPM arrangements is against the actual written rules of the site. It's considered to be prima facie evidence of an intent to solicit prostitution. That said, lots of people get away with mentioning it on the site (I did for three months), and especially the SBs. But run into the wrong girl who wants to make life difficult for you, and she might try to get you busted and kicked off the site for talking about PPM. I ran into one where I thought that might happen. She was mad that I asked her about PPM, and responded by angrily sending me a message that included a cut and paste of the written site rule prohibiting any mention of PPM arrangements. I just told her that we obviously weren't seeking the same thing, blocked her, then waited to see if I would be banned. After a few days of waiting with nothing happening, I was confident I was in the clear. I would have been pissed if I had gotten banned since I still had a month left on the membership I paid for. So, based on my three-month experience, I would say that you're likely OK to mention PPM arrangements. But as others here have warned, don't go too far beyond that getting into specifics on the site, as that could get you banned. Move to text off of the site to go there.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2688724]I paid my premium two weeks ago and yesterday got permanently suspended. The only trigger l can recall is A girl says 5000 peso per appointment and l say something back. So you guys just block that girl in this scenario? Do you guys get the girl WhatsApp or telegram right off the bat and not even small chitchat? I created two unpaid account using random outlook account and both of them got banned within 3 minutes.

Any SA alternative recommend for country like Mexico, Colombia?

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]Never discuss money or sex on SA. Always get their text number and take it offline. I have used Colombian cupid in the past in Colombia. It worked well, but that was several years ago.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2688789]One thing a lot of guys don't realize is that discussing PPM arrangements is against the actual written rules of the site. It's considered to be prima facie evidence of an intent to solicit prostitution. That said, lots of people get away with mentioning it on the site (I did for three months), and especially the SBs. But run into the wrong girl who wants to make life difficult for you, and she might try to get you busted and kicked off the site for talking about PPM. I ran into one where I thought that might happen. She was mad that I asked her about PPM, and responded by angrily sending me a message that included a cut and paste of the written site rule prohibiting any mention of PPM arrangements. I just told her that we obviously weren't seeking the same thing, blocked her, then waited to see if I would be banned. After a few days of waiting with nothing happening, I was confident I was in the clear. I would have been pissed if I had gotten banned since I still had a month left on the membership I paid for. So, based on my three-month experience, I would say that you're likely OK to mention PPM arrangements. But as others here have warned, don't go too far beyond that getting into specifics on the site, as that could get you banned. Move to text off of the site to go there.[/QUOTE]This is accurate.

Definitely not advisable to use PPM in site messages or even offsite.

SA itself has changed. They used to have FWB as one of the "seeking" metrics. They removed it now and replaced with luxury, etc. 4 to 5 years ago, they even had dollar numbers attached to the brackets, such as "less than $2,000 a month, between 2 K to 5 K, more than 10 K etc."

They have become a lot more circumspect now. When they have a golden goose producing so much cashflow, they'd be stupid to jeopardize and risking a shutdown ala backpage etc.

And of course, FwB was synonymous with sex but they removed that also from their tags. You used to be search through girls lists with "white, slim, less than 25, tall, seeking FWB and at $2 K month"; those days are gone.

I was foolish enough to use FWB a few times early on. Then quickly I cut it out. Now I always say "let us meet and get to know each other and spend some no drama stress free time." Eventually they understand my intent. When and if any girl explicitly mentions sex in a message, on SA or off site texting, I normally block her or delete the message and cool it with her for a few weeks.

As for PPM, I get around it by saying "I give weekly allowance and prefer to meet once a week." Of course, if the first meet doesn't go well, there are no follow up meets. They understand that too.

Honestly, I was never concerned about SA kicking me out. Perhaps I was there for so long and became complacent. I am much more careful about LE. No point in saying things in writing that would not look good in a court. Keep it bland, and say whatever you have to say in person, one to one.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2688789]One thing a lot of guys don't realize is that discussing PPM arrangements is against the actual written rules of the site. It's considered to be prima facie evidence of an intent to solicit prostitution. That said, lots of people get away with mentioning it on the site (I did for three months), and especially the SBs. ...[/QUOTE]Last night when chatting with this one girl, I told here in verbatim, Are you interested in an arrangement? We can discuss over text if you are.

She wrote back a whole bunch of text, and then finally mentioned 0 drama, 500 ppm and so on all in one sentence.

I thought for a while this could be a flagged because of the keyword. Not sure if the whole bunch of text that she wrote earlier masked the conversation that the bot had failed to pick that up. I decided to risk it and gave her my number and told her to connect. Anyway, so far so good.

I wonder if both parties could be flagged even though if I never mention anything about a ppm or a figure? I hope the word "arrangement" is not a problematic keyword, otherwise it will be so idiotic. In most cases, I would try to get our conversation off-site as soon as I can by either asking for her number or just giving her mine. My number is a disposable google number anyway.

Just had the SB I posted about earlier over for what turned out to be 43 hours (Thursday afternoon to Saturday morning) of utter debauchery (some, but not enough sleep).

In what world is it possible for me to spend that amount of time with a fit, athletic, beautiful, clever, enthralling combination of innocence and sluttiness, submissive and kinky as fuck 19 year old girl?

She's ruined normal sex for me. And presented me with a problem. I really want to spend the rest of my leave just seeing how far I can push her. And we've gone plenty fat already!

I agree. SBs spoil us so much that normal sex with regular partners, particularly wife, is ruined.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2689163]Just had the SB I posted about earlier over for what turned out to be 43 hours (Thursday afternoon to Saturday morning) of utter debauchery (some, but not enough sleep).

In what world is it possible for me to spend that amount of time with a fit, athletic, beautiful, clever, enthralling combination of innocence and sluttiness, submissive and kinky as fuck 19 year old girl?

She's ruined normal sex for me. And presented me with a problem. I really want to spend the rest of my leave just seeing how far I can push her. And we've gone plenty fat already![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JJanni;2689163]Just had the SB I posted about earlier over for what turned out to be 43 hours (Thursday afternoon to Saturday morning) of utter debauchery (some, but not enough sleep).

In what world is it possible for me to spend that amount of time with a fit, athletic, beautiful, clever, enthralling combination of innocence and sluttiness, submissive and kinky as fuck 19 year old girl?

She's ruined normal sex for me. And presented me with a problem. I really want to spend the rest of my leave just seeing how far I can push her. And we've gone plenty fat already![/QUOTE]Tell us more! What kind of debauchery?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2688931]SA itself has changed. They used to have FWB as one of the "seeking" metrics. They removed it now and replaced with luxury, etc. 4 to 5 years ago..........

And of course, FwB was synonymous with sex but they removed that also from their tags.[/QUOTE]Interesting historical background on Seeking.

What is your take on "No Strings Attached" and "Discretion"? These Seeking descriptors seem sexually provocative. Obviously, FWB spells it out clearly.

There also the many attractive, young women posing in skimpy bikinis. That certainly confuses a few newbies, but these girls have to distinguish themselves one way or another. Attractive girls have to flaunt it particularly if they want a long-term sugar daddy.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2689323]Tell us more! What kind of debauchery?[/QUOTE]She's heavily into bondage and pain. As it turns out, I am too with her.

She responds to it orgasmically. A total pleasure response, like a mini orgasm. She is a quite adorable and we'll spoken little teen that loves to be abused and degraded and treated like your little fuck toy.

Just far too much debauchery to go into a blow by blow. At one point, I had her dressed up in a little skirt, crotchless panties, a ballgag and blindfold, tied down. And she let me invite a friend over to walk in and fuck her.

I'm not even sure that's the kinkiest thing we've done.

If I saw someone else posting this, I would call bullshit. I wish it was. She's bad for me and I have to stop seeing her.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2689396]She's heavily into bondage and pain. As it turns out, I am too with her.

She responds to it orgasmically. A total pleasure response, like a mini orgasm. She is a quite adorable and we'll spoken little teen that loves to be abused and degraded and treated like your little fuck toy.

Just far too much debauchery to go into a blow by blow. At one point, I had her dressed up in a little skirt, crotchless panties, a ballgag and blindfold, tied down. And she let me invite a friend over to walk in and fuck her.

I'm not even sure that's the kinkiest thing we've done.

If I saw someone else posting this, I would call bullshit. I wish it was. She's bad for me and I have to stop seeing her.[/QUOTE]Enjoy the ride mate, I can understand your situation.

Been thru, done that.

Peace.

Cheers.

My second month on seeking just expired so thought I'the share my experiences so far. My goal was to find a consistent arrangement but I haven't found it yet.

Girl 1: The semi pro. This was a mistake but I got suckered by her pictures because she had a huge rack. She was older than 30, messaged me first and was very direct ie what are you looking for, asked about allowance quickly. When we got to the room, she came prepared with condoms and lube. I didn't find her attractive without her clothes on and didn't fuck her. After this, I only looked for younger girls and avoided ones that messaged first.

Girl 2: The only girl I've seen more than once. She was going back to school so not a pro but liked to party and do drugs. I covered the first meet in [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2675890&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2675890. Second meet was lackluster. No DFK, she was basically a star fish but at least this time I fucked her.

Girl 3: I wanted this one to become consistent but she's flaked multiple times so pretty sure it's over. This was my first really good SA experience. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2681866[/URL]#post2681866. We'the both been tested and she was ok with CIP. Really sexual too which I haven't found with other girls yet. In between 2 and 3, I got a rx for V which I took for the first time with 3. It definitely helped and is especially helpful for me with condoms.

Girl 4: Not a pro but probably a coke working girl. This one kind of fucked me up, you can find the post if you're interested. Agreed to meet same night for a drink before coming back to hotel. It was the first time I had period sex. Felt bad about fucking her after but recently got a text saying she'the been under the weather because she'the done too much drugs. Probably should've passed and glad I used a condom but sex was fun and enthusiastic.

Girl 5: This was kind of a desperation fuck since 2 cancelled on me again. Only girl I met at the hotel. Porn star looking photos and very escort-why sex. No DFK, straight to fucking, only one I didn't finger. Fake tits, but nicely done. Had an only fans too. Lesson from 1 and 5: if the photos look too good to be true, they probably are. Pornstar look isn't for me.

Girl 6: Nice and to the point. Met up for coffee then to the hotel. First time using day use and worked well. She asked before the meet if it was just coffee or intimacy as well which I appreciated. Think she'the be open to a regular arrangement but not sure I liked her that much. Really good head though.

I met 5 girls for platonic meets. Two of them I weren't really into, one had high expectations and one I'm hoping turns into something regular.

It is frustrating how much time it takes. I'll have what seems like a good conversation going, get a number then poof vs a girl who gives one word answers down to meet up. I haven't decided if I'll renew for another month but happened to get 3 messages the day it expired. Maybe if the one turns into something regular I'll forget all about seeking.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2680528]So like most things that start in SA there is and probably should be a clear end. I believe I just got to the end with my Nicaraguan SA girl. We spent one last weekend together in Nicaragua in my trip last week. We ended up having an entire colonial house in Granada to ourselves for 2 nights and days including a pool. I only paid for one room in the house but such is Nicaragua right now. I brought her some nice brand clothing from the states that I have access to for really low prices. I left the original full price tags on if course. She loved them and the thought behind them even though I messed up one of the sizes because I just forgot how tiny her waist is.

It was a great weekend. We pretty much swam and made out in the pool, tried out some great restaurants, talked and shagged all weekend. 6 sessions in all. We are comfortable with each other, maybe a little too comfortable which why as much as I like her I am kind of glad we have hit the natural end. By the time I return to Nicaragua she is likely to have moved back to Switzerland and the probability we are in the same city or near enough to see each other again is small. We both know this and have exchanged WhatsApps wishing each other well and grateful for the times we were able to spend together. I will remember her fondly. Willing to out up with my bad but improving Spanish..[/QUOTE]Nicaragua is paradise, one of the best and easiest places for SA.

Peace.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2689409]Enjoy the ride mate, I can understand your situation.

Been thru, done that.

Peace.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]This girl is a train crash waiting to happen. But I just can't resist one more ride.

I've spent more on her than any seeking girl I ever thought I would, spent more time with her than I ever thought I would. And I like her more than I ever thought I would.

It isn't just the wild, crazy and unhinged sex. It's everything.

When we first met, she was so freaking shy and nervous despite all the kinky things she told me she was into. She almost bailed on the meeting. She hasn't seen anyone else on seeking (she showed me her seeking inbox, I'm one of the few she actually replied to. Also showed me her WhatsApp, a few conversations going nowhere.).

Super protective of her at this point. She put herself in an extremely vulnerable position with me and it could go so badly if she does the same with someone else. I've been talking to her, trying to help her stay safe. She knows I'm out of here by next week.

I'm just wishing I was a proper sugar daddy. Could take her exclusive and limit the worst excesses of her behaviour.

Kinda just hoping after our last time together, she finds that decent, kind pervert who'll respect her and pay her a huge allowance to spend two days a week chained up in his mansion (she'd love that).

Or even better, she sorts her life out, lives her dreams etc.

Sounds like I'm falling for the girl, but I'm not. I'm not like that. She's just super sweet (like how can a girl who likes getting whipped and begs you to cum in inside her be this adorable? Intelligent, funny (only a 13 year age gap and I'm a man child, so we're on the same wave length) and we've been having the wildest and kinkiest sex of my life that she is super into.

Either way, I'm out of here. She's not just bad for me despite all that, I'm bad for her too I think. She's the Sid to my Nancy or vice versa.

Seeing her one last time and then I'm putting 8000 miles between us for a couple of months.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2690255]This girl is a train crash waiting to happen. But I just can't resist one more ride.

I've spent more on her than any seeking girl I ever thought I would, spent more time with her than I ever thought I would. And I like her more than I ever thought I would.

It isn't just the wild, crazy and unhinged sex. It's everything.

When we first met, she was so freaking shy and nervous despite all the kinky things she told me she was into. She almost bailed on the meeting. She hasn't seen anyone else on seeking (she showed me her seeking inbox, I'm one of the few she actually replied to. Also showed me her WhatsApp, a few conversations going nowhere.).

Super protective of her at this point. She put herself in an extremely vulnerable position with me and it could go so badly if she does the same with someone else. I've been talking to her, trying to help her stay safe. She knows I'm out of here by next week.

I'm just wishing I was a proper sugar daddy. Could take her exclusive and limit the worst excesses of her behaviour.

Kinda just hoping after our last time together, she finds that decent, kind pervert who'll respect her and pay her a huge allowance to spend two days a week chained up in his mansion (she'd love that).

Or even better, she sorts her life out, lives her dreams etc.

Sounds like I'm falling for the girl, but I'm not. I'm not like that. She's just super sweet (like how can a girl who likes getting whipped and begs you to cum in inside her be this adorable? Intelligent, funny (only a 13 year age gap and I'm a man child, so we're on the same wave length) and we've been having the wildest and kinkiest sex of my life that she is super into.

Either way, I'm out of here. She's not just bad for me despite all that, I'm bad for her too I think. She's the Sid to my Nancy or vice versa.

Seeing her one last time and then I'm putting 8000 miles between us for a couple of months.[/QUOTE]Love to keep up on your adventure. Isn't it simply amazing the "relationship" you can build in such a short time with the right SA girl? Of course all the naysayers say too much work to find the gems. But when u find them it's amazing and worth all the time money and effort. And seriously where else can u find this dynamic — u will never have what u have with her with a hooker. No possible way. And it's such an interesting dynamic - sugar daddy isn't far off - because it's mostly boyfriend girlfriend but with definite paternal caring instincts invoked as well.

It is likely very good you have to part ways because despite what you say (not falling for her) there are def feelings involved both ways and she sounds like a bit of a train wreck that could suck you in to collateral damage. Keeping the right distance is a tough balance and fortunately circumstances are helping with that.

I'm finding myself with def feels with Shayla. It goes well beyond a paid arrangement in both directions and the time together is magical. Obv eyes wide open that it's not a permanent thing and surely the short time together helps to keep from seeing too many flaws and realities. But damn I adore her. Enjoying while it lasts.

Just got back from a few days in Mexico City. Saw a girl I dug the first time around. Tiny, cute, 20 years younger.

There is a dynamic in the air that's unmistakable. Some SA girls are all business. But some you can tell are wondering what if. What would it be like with this guy. What if we made a life. It shows up in the conversation. Questions like what do you want in your life that take sideways paths and soon you're imagining bringing this chick home and wondering how long you'd enjoy having her there when you wake up.

It's clear there's a savior thing going on here. I'm an attractive, educated, financially secure guy. I know what I represent to some of these girls. I know that I look like an alternative life and they play out that fantasy with me in their heads also.

But I stop. I pull myself out of it sharply. Why? I know what I am. I'd never be in front of them without my passport, bank account, and desire for 20 year old chicks. This is a brief fantasy we play out but it has no foundation. It's a brief charade. It's an escape. It's like going on vacation and thinking you should buy a time share, which you definitely should not. It's like going to a great restaurant and buying the cookbook you'll never use. There's wisdom in knowing that a great meal is just that. A great meal, and not a pivotal moment in your life.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2690266]Love to keep up on your adventure. Isn't it simply amazing the "relationship" you can build in such a short time with the right SA girl? Of course all the naysayers say too much work to find the gems. But when u find them it's amazing and worth all the time money and effort. And seriously where else can u find this dynamic u will never have what u have with her with a hooker. No possible way. And it's such an interesting dynamic - sugar daddy isn't far off - because it's mostly boyfriend girlfriend but with definite paternal caring instincts invoked as well.

It is likely very good you have to part ways because despite what you say (not falling for her) there are def feelings involved both ways and she sounds like a bit of a train wreck that could suck you in to collateral damage. Keeping the right distance is a tough balance and fortunately circumstances are helping with that..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2690266]Love to keep up on your adventure. Isn't it simply amazing the "relationship" you can build in such a short time with the right SA girl? Of course all the naysayers say too much work to find the gems. But when u find them it's amazing and worth all the time money and effort. And seriously where else can u find this dynamic u will never have what u have with her with a hooker. No possible way. And it's such an interesting dynamic - sugar daddy isn't far off - because it's mostly boyfriend girlfriend but with definite paternal caring instincts invoked as well.

It is likely very good you have to part ways because despite what you say (not falling for her) there are def feelings involved both ways and she sounds like a bit of a train wreck that could suck you in to collateral damage. Keeping the right distance is a tough balance and fortunately circumstances are helping with that.

I'm finding myself with def feels with Shayla. It goes well beyond a paid arrangement in both directions and the time together is magical. Obv eyes wide open that it's not a permanent thing and surely the short time together helps to keep from seeing too many flaws and realities. But damn I adore her. Enjoying while it lasts.[/QUOTE]So true, I have been with the model in MTY for over 2 years now. She is my best friend, but something is definitely up. She is on look down with her parents visiting, but she is becoming more distant. We will see.

I hooked up with the Venz. Doctor last night in MTY great night, she is a total freak as well and far more interesting then the model. Life is good. Hard work and a decent budget you can have a great time on SA, especially in other countries.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2690266]Love to keep up on your adventure. Isn't it simply amazing the "relationship" you can build in such a short time with the right SA girl? Of course all the naysayers say too much work to find the gems. But when u find them it's amazing and worth all the time money and effort. And seriously where else can u find this dynamic u will never have what u have with her with a hooker. No possible way. And it's such an interesting dynamic - sugar daddy isn't far off - because it's mostly boyfriend girlfriend but with definite paternal caring instincts invoked as well.

It is likely very good you have to part ways because despite what you say (not falling for her) there are def feelings involved both ways and she sounds like a bit of a train wreck that could suck you in to collateral damage. Keeping the right distance is a tough balance and fortunately circumstances are helping with that.

I'm finding myself with def feels with Shayla. It goes well beyond a paid arrangement in both directions and the time together is magical. Obv eyes wide open that it's not a permanent thing and surely the short time together helps to keep from seeing too many flaws and realities. But damn I adore her. Enjoying while it lasts.[/QUOTE]Over the last week or so, I had been toying with the idea of hanging around the UK to see what trouble I could get into with her. She is up for sex in any form and combination you can think of. When we were off our face, we made a profile together on a swinging website. And got absolutely flooded with offers from couples and women.

Having a 5'4, auburn haired, freckle faced, extremely beautiful (she took out the piercings and grew her hair, she'd be catwalk. I like her just how she is) in shape (she had abs) with a whole lotta ass bisexusl 19 year old who is 100 percent submissive and 100 percent kinky on your arm opens a lot of doors in that community.

The other option (she is up for both, being a broke unofficially dropped out student) is taking her with me out of the UK. I haven't floated the idea, but there's no doubt in my mind she'd be up for visiting sex tourist destinations and partaking.

Fortunately for me (and her), when I'm free of her beguiling influence for a few days, common sense prevails.

Both of those stories would end up with one / both of us dead or in prison.

She's messed me up and I think I've messed her up.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690281]But I stop. I pull myself out of it sharply. Why? I know what I am. I'd never be in front of them without my passport, bank account, and desire for 20 year old chicks. This is a brief fantasy we play out but it has no foundation. It's a brief charade. It's an escape. It's like going on vacation and thinking you should buy a time share, which you definitely should not. It's like going to a great restaurant and buying the cookbook you'll never use. There's wisdom in knowing that a great meal is just that. A great meal, and not a pivotal moment in your life.[/QUOTE]I love this paragraph. My SB whom I would travelled together. When at home we would see each other each week. Some weeks out and about visiting different venues other times she would cook dinner in at her house. She was an amazing, fashionable dresser and had style. Things I don't have. She was a great entertainer. Over time I started to see a life with her, expand my career with her in it. She could sure open doors while I did the business. Of course I was paying a reasonable weekly allowance but here I was with her considering leaving my own wonderful marriage for a woman 20 years my junior that already had two failed marriages.

She was just my weekly escape, my moments to myself.

As soon as I stopped the allowance she would not see me again.

The girls we meet as SD / SB are damaged, perhaps in the same way we ourselves are. A long term 'relationship' cannot work.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690281]Just got back from a few days in Mexico City. Saw a girl I dug the first time around. Tiny, cute, 20 years younger.

It's clear there's a savior thing going on here. I'm an attractive, educated, financially secure guy. I know what I represent to some of these girls. I know that I look like an alternative life and they play out that fantasy with me in their heads also.[/QUOTE]Dude, why would you accept that you are just a john?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690281]But I stop. I pull myself out of it sharply. Why? I know what I am. I'd never be in front of them without my passport, bank account, and desire for 20 year old chicks. This is a brief fantasy we play out but it has no foundation. It's a brief charade. It's an escape. It's like going on vacation and thinking you should buy a time share, which you definitely should not. It's like going to a great restaurant and buying the cookbook you'll never use. There's wisdom in knowing that a great meal is just that. A great meal, and not a pivotal moment in your life.[/QUOTE]I am shaking my head at your under confidence. I get it. I was like that too. You use whatever you have to in order to attract a woman. Keeping her is different: that requires character and personality. Keeping a good woman really is not about money.

I have committed to a woman 25 years younger than me, and it has been the best relationship of my life to date, and my friends keep telling me I nabbed a 10.

I was in a relationship with a girl I met with seeking before this one. If that had not happened, I would not have gotten this one. I made all the mistakes with that one but after it, I knew I could get a 10 and have her fall for me.

I was grateful for the advice I got from the forum here: the women like you for your money and not for you. The girls really want their novios not you. They really want you for a green card.

I should say I was grateful because those fools really believed it, and I did not. Those are just excuses for not getting a hot woman and to avoid getting hurt.

The thing is that if a woman is not just hot but a really good woman, she has options galore. She does not have to hang around you. When my gal and I went to Coco Boingo in Cancun, I had no idea she could dance like she did. She moved her hips like a Hawaiian doing the Hulu. When the camera panned around looking for hot women, I thought she would be first on the screen, and she was second.

There was not a guy there who was not interested in her. When she went to a club in Mexico City, she was harassed so much, she had to dance between two security guys. She could have had anyone but she wants me, and I have the self-confidence to believe that.

You are literally saying you are not good enough. She cannot love you but only your money and status. I do not know how great she is, but if she is, she has other options besides you. The best women do not stay on the market for long.

It is fucked up that I had to go through a breakup to realize that a woman really loved me for me, but I am glad it happened. It boosted my confidence.

Instead of checking yourself out of the game, realize that your brain wants love even when it is not there and when it is not, you are going to get hurt. So get objective sources. Have a family member or female friend meet your gal and ask them what they think and listen. It is so obvious to others whether the girl is into you or not. Before getting too serious, I had her meet a female friend of mine who gave us a thumbs up.

Maybe you are right to check out or maybe you are making the biggest mistake of your life. How about getting another opinion outside of your own?

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2690436]I love this paragraph. My SB whom I would travelled together. When at home we would see each other each week. Some weeks out and about visiting different venues other times she would cook dinner in at her house. She was an amazing, fashionable dresser and had style. Things I don't have. She was a great entertainer. Over time I started to see a life with her, expand my career with her in it. She could sure open doors while I did the business. Of course I was paying a reasonable weekly allowance but here I was with her considering leaving my own wonderful marriage for a woman 20 years my junior that already had two failed marriages.

She was just my weekly escape, my moments to myself.

As soon as I stopped the allowance she would not see me again..[/QUOTE]SA is like eating good tasty food in a nice restaurant, but we cannot eat the same food again and again. Maximum we can eat that food is once a week for me that is once a month so I have a minimum of 3-4 SBs with me in UAE and the maximum time I see each SB is once in 10 days never more, she has to be hungry to see me and horny. I would choose my SB wisely someone who is a student or working 6 days a week so she has a busy life herself and even for her sex is a priority and the allowance is a big help plus my contacts in UAE for many works.

To each his own, I cannot pump the same girl all week long and everyday its not me, can't eat in the Burj Al Arab everyday for 7 day and night continuously, you need the road side shawarma and McDonalds also and Dubai is full of SA that you have so much variety to choose from.

Then I don't have time to take out these girls for dinner, drinks, clubs and beach clubs, I'm over that to me its only 2 hours we spend in a discreet hotel just us and I leave and she gets to use the beautiful hotel room for herself the whole day and next day with everything paid for her Instagram feeds or her friends to enjoy.

Cheers.

Now enjoying SA in different countries is even more better, miss my time in central America in SA wish I can come back.

Peace.

I appreciate your sharing that.

I think we sometimes forget how good of liars we are. I mean you have a great marriage but have this on the side- and don't realize sugar babies weren't born with a lack of capacity for equally good duplicity. Why would they be duplicitous? Well, for one we pay them to be. That's the whole point. A sugar baby who creates an emotional connection is just good at doing what she needs to do.

When I was in Mexico City I had a moment banging this young hottie after a few days. She was so into it. And I thought to myself, wait I'm not really that good in bed. I'm not even trying too hard. This is just me getting off. And then I realized oh she's just acting for my benefit and she's quite good at it with the lip biting and the arm pushed against the wall. It was an important reminder for me.

I see from time to time men here saying this girl is different. This relationship is special. And maybe it's true. Maybe. But I call your bluff. Stop paying and see.

There's nothing wrong with this pay for play. I love that we can do this. But it's important to know what's real and what's fantasy.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2690436]I love this paragraph. My SB whom I would travelled together. When at home we would see each other each week. Some weeks out and about visiting different venues other times she would cook dinner in at her house. She was an amazing, fashionable dresser and had style. Things I don't have. She was a great entertainer. Over time I started to see a life with her, expand my career with her in it. She could sure open doors while I did the business. Of course I was paying a reasonable weekly allowance but here I was with her considering leaving my own wonderful marriage for a woman 20 years my junior that already had two failed marriages.

She was just my weekly escape, my moments to myself.

As soon as I stopped the allowance she would not see me again.

The girls we meet as SD / SB are damaged, perhaps in the same way we ourselves are. A long term 'relationship' cannot work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690624]I appreciate your sharing that.

I think we sometimes forget how good of liars we are. I mean you have a great marriage but have this on the side- and don't realize sugar babies weren't born with a lack of capacity for equally good duplicity. Why would they be duplicitous? Well, for one we pay them to be. That's the whole point. A sugar baby who creates an emotional connection is just good at doing what she needs to do.

When I was in Mexico City I had a moment banging this young hottie after a few days. She was so into it. And I thought to myself, wait I'm not really that good in bed. I'm not even trying too hard. This is just me getting off. And then I realized oh she's just acting for my benefit and she's quite good at it with the lip biting and the arm pushed against the wall. It was an important reminder for me.

I see from time to time men here saying this girl is different. This relationship is special. And maybe it's true. Maybe. But I call your bluff. Stop paying and see.

There's nothing wrong with this pay for play. I love that we can do this. But it's important to know what's real and what's fantasy.[/QUOTE]I agree with this view. I am not on seeking any sort of emotional connection. I have never had any strong emotional attachments to FKK girls either. Of course my situation is different because I am married and have a nice family, my spouse is highly educated and makes a ton of money on her own. I value that relationship more than anything else. SA and FKKs are strictly about physical release, something I cannot have in a marital relationship. I am very discrete for this reason as I can't Afford to lose what I have. It also happens that I work for a buttoned down partnership and my spouse knows most of my partners and family and loyalty are important here; I may not get fired if news of my cheating leaks out but would be severely damaging for sure. So I go to all kinds of lengths to keep my cheating under a shroud of secrecy and hope I don't get caught. Unfortunately most cheaters do get caught sooner or later and that is my biggest fear. That said, while I am a cheater, I don't have any illusions that seeking relationships are strictly monetary. Even when I am kissing the girl deeply while I am inside the girl, there is a clear detachment. I wish them well, like them as people but do I cry with deep grief if something terrible happens to them? No. Do I feel hurt if she sleeps with another dude that same evening? No. I don't have any expectations from these girls as soon as we leave the room and they better not have any expectations from me either. From time to time girls I had seen in the past hit me up asking for small amounts of money but I never obliged. It is a quid pro quo always, in my view. I give something.

When I get something and I don't expect something if I don't give something.

As for the compliments they give, the fake moans they do, they mean nothing to me. If a girl says my dick is so big, do I not know exactly my own size? If she says you are so smart, it means nothing. Ditto about things such as you are so nice or cute or whatnot. I smile and thank them but they pretty much mean nothing to me.

A few months ago, I was with a cute 22 year old girl who was somewhat depressed, had anxiety issues etc. I felt for her and sex was great when it happened but even her, I had no true emotional connection. In the end, it slowly petered out. I may still see her in the future for a one off here and there but that's about it. Another person I met in the journey of life and moved on.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2690654]I agree with this view. I am not on seeking any sort of emotional connection.
...

It is a quid pro quo always, in my view. I give something.

When I get something and I don't expect something if I don't give something.
[/QUOTE]Very true indeed. I see it as paying for their time so that I can enjoy those time to fulfill my fantasy. It is a quid pro quo. As soon as there is no quid, there will also be no quo.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690624]I think we sometimes forget how good of liars we are. I mean you have a great marriage but have this on the side[/QUOTE]Married guys should keep it as P4P; I have no respect for the guys who are not honest in this regard.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690624]Well, for one we pay them to be. That's the whole point. A sugar baby who creates an emotional connection is just good at doing what she needs to do.

When I was in Mexico City I had a moment banging this young hottie after a few days. She was so into it. And I thought to myself, wait I'm not really that good in bed. I'm not even trying too hard. This is just me getting off. And then I realized oh she's just acting for my benefit and she's quite good at it with the lip biting and the arm pushed against the wall. It was an important reminder for me.[/QUOTE]Again with the under confidence? There are so many guys who cannot get it up, go limp, or cum in seconds. The average sex act is 9 minutes long, and 30% are done in less than 3 minutes. Anything longer than 9 minutes and you are top 50%.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690624]I see from time to time men here saying this girl is different. This relationship is special. And maybe it's true. Maybe. But I call your bluff. Stop paying and see.
[/QUOTE]Good point. I did not pay my current gal anything for 6 months after our first meet. With the girl before her, it was the same way. Hell, the first time I met her, she paid for dinner. I never gave her any cash.

In the USA finding a decent gal is really hard and I have never heard of any of them who would meet for nothing.

However, in Colombia and Mexico, costs are not as high, and the women have learned to get by with much less. I was meeting women in Colombia with no problem not talking cash on the first meet. Hell, we would have sex and paying them anything was almost an after thought.

I banged a lawyer, agreed to pay her $300 for 2 or 3 days, and she fell so hard for me, she wanted to give the money back and date me.

You will get more dates if you offer up cash up front, and some guys do that, however my best dates have always been when no cash has been mentioned prior to the meet. I will say Colombia is easier than Mexico in this regard.

But I agree: pay them nothing and see what happens. I bet you will be surprised how many do not want to leave. If you can show a woman a fun time, that is often much better than money.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2690436]

She was just my weekly escape, my moments to myself.

As soon as I stopped the allowance she would not see me again.

The girls we meet as SD / SB are damaged, perhaps in the same way we ourselves are. A long term 'relationship' cannot work.[/QUOTE]Maybe not about the $. But I have a plan. A Bogota camp out (well, it's a nice Airbnb) in the mountains. Girl is a 10, stewardess. Blonde, speaks English. Always polite, always replies, always appreciative. Wants to visit me outside of Colombia in Baja where I also stay. Only 2 things I worry about, that she is too easy to fall for, that this one is a long term gig, that she is not wild enough. Was that 3?

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2688724]I paid my premium two weeks ago and yesterday got permanently suspended. The only trigger l can recall is A girl says 5000 peso per appointment and l say something back. So you guys just block that girl in this scenario? Do you guys get the girl WhatsApp or telegram right off the bat and not even small chitchat? I created two unpaid account using random outlook account and both of them got banned within 3 minutes.

Any SA alternative recommend for country like Mexico, Colombia?

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]I admit there were plenty of warning signs. I must have said "fwb / Friends with benefits, intimacy, Travel companion. Even posted numbers when I wanted a girls attention. Maybe 10 or 20 times a day. Maybe more. This went on sporadically for many months. Girls would blatantly ask for $. They would always ask, "so what are you looking for on this site? I hated that so I would reply. With photos, gifs all kinds of non approved stuff. (No porno or dick pics) SA would turn off my account and have me log back in constantly. The bots of the world are to blame. So my message to you all. Don't do what I do. I have far too many numbers and should not sign back up. But I probably will. Someday. Do not use your home wifi. In 3 minutes? LOL Step right Up.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_snSkpULQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2690751]Very true indeed. I see it as paying for their time so that I can enjoy those time to fulfill my fantasy. It is a quid pro quo. As soon as there is no quid, there will also be no quo.[/QUOTE]I give you some quid, you give me some quo.

What? No I respect you. Of course you ain't a WG.

You're like my GF, and I'm your beaux.

Except at the end, I give you some dough.

But that don't mean I think you're a pro.

Huh? No. I don't have time to take it slow.

No, I don't think you understand this though.

I pay you, and you participate in my fantasy so.

If you can't get with the program yo.

Sorry ho. I got to go.

AmericanPi. 2022.

Because ISG should be a place for high culture. Obviously.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2690654]A few months ago, I was with a cute 22 year old girl who was somewhat depressed, had anxiety issues etc. I felt for her and sex was great when it happened but even her, I had no true emotional connection. In the end, it slowly petered out. I may still see her in the future for a one off here and there but that's about it. Another person I met in the journey of life and moved on.[/QUOTE]For the long term sanity of participant like us "I had no true emotional connection" this is the only way to go. I had a SB, maybe my first, 25 years younger than me. It was an intense time and she would drop around to my corporate office. OMG the things that happened after hours. But as soon as her BF came back to town she cuts all contact. I was just a fling for her. It hurt at the time. But when I realized what she was investing emotionally (nothing) I learned to do the same.

Interestingly we are still FB friends and chat. Go figure.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2690827] I have far too many numbers and should not sign back up. But I probably will. Someday. Do not use your home wifi. In 3 minutes? LOL Step right Up.[/QUOTE]I can always find a way to sign up again after being banned. What they like is people paying subscriptions, let you play for a while then they ban. It's sporadic.

Looking for some guidance here.

What is the on-going rate that you would offer for PPM and weekly / monthly allowance for the different tier cities (Tier-1, Tier-2 or maybe Tier-3?

I would see Tier-1 like NYC, San Francisco and equivalent, Tier-2 would be anywhere below the first tier where cost of living is lower, and of course Tier-3 will be in a much smaller cities or towns.

Hoping to get some info from those who have played this game in the US.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690281]But I stop. I pull myself out of it sharply. Why? I know what I am. I'd never be in front of them without my passport, bank account, and desire for 20 year old chicks. This is a brief fantasy we play out but it has no foundation. It's a brief charade. It's an escape. It's like going on vacation and thinking you should buy a time share, which you definitely should not. It's like going to a great restaurant and buying the cookbook you'll never use. There's wisdom in knowing that a great meal is just that. A great meal, and not a pivotal moment in your life.[/QUOTE]How true. I often have the same thoughts myself, but then I snap back to reality, no matter how great a time I had with a SB.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2690792]I banged a lawyer, agreed to pay her $300 for 2 or 3 days, and she fell so hard for me, she wanted to give the money back and date me.

But I agree: pay them nothing and see what happens. I bet you will be surprised how many do not want to leave. If you can show a woman a fun time, that is often much better than money.[/QUOTE]I'm not calling BS here. I believe what you're saying. But please be open to a counterpoint. There is a context to your travails. Your lawyer baby who fell so hard for you she wanted to give you your money back exists in a social context. Your attractiveness is based in that context, in large part, on the strength of your passport and the denomination of the currency you get paid in. Let's say you're graded on a curve and the curve benefits you greatly. There's a reason this sort of thing happens at all in developing countries but my guess is female lawyers in the United States (or wherever you're from) are not prone to unpaid sugar arrangements at quite the same rate. It's possible you're not just a great guy and a great lay, but in addition you're someone who represents the possibility of an alternate future and reality and that's baked into your attractiveness.

I don't know you so I'm not trying to be presumptuous. You might actually be that rock solid Casanova who travels the world gathering free sugar babies. More power to you. Wish I were you.

But I also see myself. I'm actually a quite good looking guy. And quite well off and generous with it. And I speak 3 languages. Apart from the fact I'm married, which I lie about to babies, I appear to be quite a good catch. But I still have to present myself with the ultimate litmus test: if I were not an American with deep pockets, is there any chance in hell this young thing would look twice at me? I'm humble enough to know myself. I'm a good catch but no, they would not. They'd be banging hot guys their own age and enjoying it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2690792]Married guys should keep it as P4P; I have no respect for the guys who are not honest in this regard.

Again with the under confidence? There are so many guys who cannot get it up, go limp, or cum in seconds. The average sex act is 9 minutes long, and 30% are done in less than 3 minutes. Anything longer than 9 minutes and you are top 50%.

If you can show a woman a fun time, that is often much better than money.[/QUOTE]Try the Magic Potion for 30-60 days with the discipline as guided and I bet you or anyone will be top 50% such are the effects of natural herbs.

Cheers.

Peace.

I know there's 50% here that say to negotiate before the meet and other 50 that says during the meet, but I only have 5 days in CDMX so I try to get that out the way but If a girl quotes you a price that's above what your wiling to pay PPM, do you just say " That's a little above my budget, maybe another time" or try and negotiate down?

I'm not a big fan of negotiating as I suck at it, but some of these girls in CDMX are throwing out higher numbers (6 k) then Twitter LOL. How would you guys go about asking for a lower PPM?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690834]I give you some quid, you give me some quo.

What? No I respect you. Of course you ain't a WG.

You're like my GF, and I'm your beaux.

Except at the end, I give you some dough.

But that don't mean I think you're a pro.

Huh? No. I don't have time to take it slow.

No, I don't think you understand this though.

I pay you, and you participate in my fantasy so.

If you can't get with the program yo.

Sorry ho. I got to go..[/QUOTE]If you lay down a beat to those words, I think you might have something there.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2690859]Looking for some guidance here.

What is the on-going rate that you would offer for PPM and weekly / monthly allowance for the different tier cities (Tier-1, Tier-2 or maybe Tier-3?

I would see Tier-1 like NYC, San Francisco and equivalent, Tier-2 would be anywhere below the first tier where cost of living is lower, and of course Tier-3 will be in a much smaller cities or towns.

Hoping to get some info from those who have played this game in the US.[/QUOTE]We had quite a few discussions on this over the years in these threads. Bottomline is that there is no consensus. I personally paid 300 or less in tier 2 and 350 to 400 in tier 1. Tier 1 being Boston, never San Fran nor NYC. But then again, mongers even recently said they are paying 500 to 1000 in Florida etc. Which in my view are not expensive places. (Miami is but not Tampa etc.)

What I gathered is that 400 is the new 300. Even in smaller places, for pretty white girls, 400 is a min. That can be significantly higher in tier 1 cities.

Prices can be lower for older girls, not in great shape or for other ethnicities but sometimes those girls overvalue themselves and quote high prices too.

Net net, there is no pricing standard. This is not an FKK with a specified price dictated by the theke.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2690834]I give you some quid, you give me some quo.

What? No I respect you. Of course you ain't a WG.

You're like my GF, and I'm your beaux.

Except at the end, I give you some dough.

But that don't mean I think you're a pro.

Huh? No. I don't have time to take it slow.

No, I don't think you understand this though.

I pay you, and you participate in my fantasy so.

If you can't get with the program yo.

Sorry ho. I got to go.

AmericanPi. 2022.

Because ISG should be a place for high culture. Obviously.[/QUOTE]LOL, very poetic, almost like a Haiku.

[QUOTE=NahkMD;2691043]I know there's 50% here that say to negotiate before the meet and other 50 that says during the meet, but I only have 5 days in CDMX so I try to get that out the way but If a girl quotes you a price that's above what your wiling to pay PPM, do you just say " That's a little above my budget, maybe another time" or try and negotiate down?

I'm not a big fan of negotiating as I suck at it, but some of these girls in CDMX are throwing out higher numbers (6 k) then Twitter LOL. How would you guys go about asking for a lower PPM?[/QUOTE]Nope, if you are there only there a short time, if there prices are reasonable then stick with there offer. They get offended easily. $200-300 is the normal rate there, but you can negotiate for over night or several sessions.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2691008]I'm not calling BS here. I believe what you're saying. But please be open to a counterpoint. There is a context to your travails. Your lawyer baby who fell so hard for you she wanted to give you your money back exists in a social context. Your attractiveness is based in that context, in large part, on the strength of your passport and the denomination of the currency you get paid in. Let's say you're graded on a curve and the curve benefits you greatly. It's possible you're not just a great guy and a great lay, but in addition you're someone who represents the possibility of an alternate future and reality and that's baked into your attractiveness.[/QUOTE]If you are married, I would forget about making these women your GF. Keep variety and do not get attached.

I totally get where you are coming from, and I would have said the same thing 10 years ago. Don Carlos told me something that was funny. You could have the smartest man in the world giving another guy advice about women but a man will listen only to another woman no matter what the woman's intelligence. The point is I doubt I can convince you of anything. The women will have to.

With the lawyer, she offered the $300 back to me because she wanted to date me. I insisted she take it because I did not want to date her. I flew her to Bogota from a smaller town and I felt like the reason she was interested in me was because the prospects in her smaller town were terrible. I never thought it was because I was a stud. I guess I looked around and saw what these women have to date and was not impressed.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2691008]But I still have to present myself with the ultimate litmus test: if I were not an American with deep pockets, is there any chance in hell this young thing would look twice at me? I'm humble enough to know myself. I'm a good catch but no, they would not. They'd be banging hot guys their own age and enjoying it.[/QUOTE]But you are asking yourself that and not the women. Ask the women. When I asked my Venezuelan ex-fiance why she was with me, she said she dated the Latin guys and they were macho bullshit artists.

Another had been beaten by her EX who abused drugs and like what happens so often in Latin countries, nothing was done to him, and it is common: [URL]https://euroculturer.eu/2020/11/03/perucountryofrapists-exposing-a-countrys-rape-culture/[/URL].

Furthermore, child support is not as strenuously enforced and the last three women I dated had half-siblings because of their fathers fucking around. There is not the stigma like here, and it was not hidden. The women saw their mothers go through hell, and they have said they do not want that.

My current gal is not interested in American citizenship for years because of her kid. And my ex proudly showed me all the American men interested in dating and marrying her on her IG page.

Ask the women why they are not out with handsome men their own age and open yourself up to the fact that they may not be lying to you. I should warn you that it may change your life.

Seeing sugar babies led to my divorce. It was not because I was seeing other women but I was dumping SBs for bullshit that I was letting my wife get away with.

I considered why I was seeing and paying for SBs, and my answer was simple, "I want them to make me feel good. ", and the ex was constantly shaming me and making me try to feel badly.

My marriage license was like a license of abuse, and one of the things that opened up my eyes was my asking a 23 year old American sugar baby of mine if she would date me if I got a divorce. Her answer shocked me. She said yes if I gave up all the other women. I was mid 40's at the time, and her friends called her Angie Everhart because she looked so much like that supermodel.

I did not take her up on the offer though because at the time I did not want one woman, even one who looked like her.

[QUOTE=NahkMD;2691043] but I only have 5 days in CDMX so I try to get that out the way [/QUOTE]I think from a negotiation POV this mind set could be an issue for you. You are the only person that knows you only have 5 days which sounds awesome BTW.

You will find girls! So that is not an issue.

Even if a girl agrees to drop her asking prices in pre-arrival chat, she will easily dump you for a higher price on the day. You don't want these girls in your schedule which will cause you more pain than what you are negotiating down.

I would be spending my pre-arrival time displaying the caring, respectful, reliable guy that you are. Then on the day your higher priced girl is more likely to dump the other 'price critical guy' for you.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2691008]Your attractiveness is based in that context, in large part, on the strength of your passport and the denomination of the currency you get paid in.............. It's possible you're not just a great guy and a great lay, but in addition you're someone who represents the possibility of an alternate future and reality and that's baked into your attractiveness.[/QUOTE]I hope your point gets taken in the right way. It's been discussed many times here and other country forums. I think everyone here is realistic.

I have had friends travel to Brazil, Colombia, Eastern Europe, etc. And they kind of get lost in the fantasy that much younger women are immediately more attracted to them. Some have even gone the marriage route. Like any marriage, sometimes it works out. Sometimes it doesn't. First and foremost in all cases, money and a green card appear to be the glue of the relationship.

I know of one instance where a friend's business abruptly went south and the young foreign wife immediately left green card in tow. He was devastated. No money, no big house, no love.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2690844]For the long term sanity of participant like us "I had no true emotional connection" this is the only way to go. I had a SB, maybe my first, 25 years younger than me. It was an intense time and she would drop around to my corporate office. OMG the things that happened after hours. But as soon as her BF came back to town she cuts all contact. I was just a fling for her. It hurt at the time. But when I realized what she was investing emotionally (nothing) I learned to do the same.

Interestingly we are still FB friends and chat. Go figure.[/QUOTE]Yes, friendship is fine. Yes, we do have emotional connection with male friends as well. But as you know, the emotional connection that may develop with someone you fuck regularly is of a different kind than the bond with a drinking buddy or with a normal friend. I Have fond feelings for even the girls I fucked in FKKs once or twice. We may have shared a tender moment or some other connection briefly. But the emotional connection with a spouse or a long time GF is of a completely different type, at a much higher level of intensity. You feel much happier when they are happy, even the fights hurt so much more with a spouse than a fight with a sugar babe or some random girl you fucked once or twice.

That sort of intense feeling is something I will never develop with any working girl or sugar babe. Not just because I am carefully guarding myself from developing such feelings although subconsciously that may be a reason. But when you go into these sugar dates knowing you want only sex and nothing much more, and especially where I am in my life at the moment with a career, family, a million other things, these sugar babies are on mind only briefly. Whatever they say or do typically means almost nothing to me at a deep personal level.

I don't know if what I said makes any sense to anyone but my guess is, married guys who still love their spouse but cheating at the same time probably understand it. I doubt that I am the only one of such stripes but perhaps others are not writing here.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2691058]We had quite a few discussions on this over the years in these threads. Bottomline is that there is no consensus. I personally paid 300 or less in tier 2 and 350 to 400 in tier 1. Tier 1 being Boston, never San Fran nor NYC. But then again, mongers even recently said they are paying 500 to 1000 in Florida etc. Which in my view are not expensive places. (Miami is but not Tampa etc.)

What I gathered is that 400 is the new 300. Even in smaller places, for pretty white girls, 400 is a min. That can be significantly higher in tier 1 cities.

Prices can be lower for older girls, not in great shape or for other ethnicities but sometimes those girls overvalue themselves and quote high prices too.

Net net, there is no pricing standard. This is not an FKK with a specified price dictated by the theke.[/QUOTE]Greatly appreciate this information. It allows me to establish a range on what a right price ought to be based on the different parameters. Kind of like google flight telling me if the price is within a typical range.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2691175]And they kind of get lost in the fantasy that much younger women are immediately more attracted to them..[/QUOTE]This is my point. Realistically, having citizenship from a western country and having western compensation is like a woman having large breasts and beautiful hair. They don't replace a personality and other traits, but they sure as hell tip the scales. But what happens when the breasts sag and the hair goes gray? A romantic would say it depends on the girl inside but I'm not a romantic. The girl becomes invisible. What happens to a penniless western man in a developing country? How much google translate will a girl be willing to tolerate if there's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? My guess is not much.

I take Elvis's point tho. Many of the men in these Latin counties are macho idiots. That plays into this also. Just not being an asshole is an asset. Unfortunately I'm an asshole. Fortunately I hide it well with my babies. They don't know till I tell them it's time to call a cab because I need some sleep.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2691175]I hope your point gets taken in the right way. It's been discussed many times here and other country forums. I think everyone here is realistic.
First and foremost in all cases, money and a green card appear to be the glue of the relationship.

I know of one instance where a friend's business abruptly went south and the young foreign wife immediately left green card in tow. He was devastated. No money, no big house, no love.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I should point out that the women I was talking about are not typical. Most women I saw were the hos types. I just weeded them out and moved on.

Well I'm going to go contrarian here and say it's good to fall a bit in love. For me, being smitten with a girl is half the allure. I can pay any pro for great sex. What I can't buy is the feeling that she's my girl that she truly enjoys being with me and can't wait to see me again and fuck me for all she's worth.

I am absolutely this was with Shayla now. I'm calling best girlfriend ever. Yes I drop her $$ loosely coordinated with our visits. But damn it feels more real than any relationship I've ever had. Including my marriage. LOL.

There are so many "we adore each other" signs and moments that I just can't enumerate. It feels like a million bucks to be with her and I miss her when we are apart. At some point will this lead to crushing defeat when we inevitably part ways? Yep. I'll probably ball my eyes out. But that's what I love. It's real. It's human. And I'm down for the whole ride.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2691236]Well I'm going to go contrarian here and say it's good to fall a bit in love. For me, being smitten with a girl is half the allure. I can pay any pro for great sex. What I can't buy is the feeling that she's my girl that she truly enjoys being with me and can't wait to see me again and fuck me for all she's worth.

I am absolutely this was with Shayla now. I'm calling best girlfriend ever. Yes I drop her $$ loosely coordinated with our visits. But damn it feels more real than any relationship I've ever had. Including my marriage. LOL.

There are so many "we adore each other" signs and moments that I just can't enumerate. It feels like a million bucks to be with her and I miss her when we are apart. At some point will this lead to crushing defeat when we inevitably part ways? Yep. I'll probably ball my eyes out. But that's what I love. It's real. It's human. And I'm down for the whole ride.[/QUOTE]Totally with you Steve. For me the difference between SA girls and the rest is the added dimension of an emotional connection. Where I live in the middle east, you can walk into any bar and walk out with a woman to spend an hour or a night with. Easy peasy. So getting laid is not the allure- it's two other things. First, it's meeting someone who wouldn't be caught dead in such a bar. And I guess, rightfully so, we all rank that at the top of the list. But for me right up there with it is the opportunity for an emotional connection (though I must admit there have been a few bar encounters that have become regular over the years which is kind of fun. Guess I'm a creature of habit and once I like something / somebody that really works for me, I kinda can't be arsed to go through the pain of finding it / them again). Surprisingly I hit a bit of jackpot on my first two SA encounters and one of them is in the same vein as your Shayla. Loads of "I really like you" moments that put an added spring in my steps. Great acting by her. Maybe? Who cares as long as it feels semi-real for me while it lasts. This is why I haven't been back to the clubs / bars for over three months. SA girls are proving to meet both my physical and emotional needs for the moment.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2691236]Well I'm going to go contrarian here and say it's good to fall a bit in love. For me, being smitten with a girl is half the allure. I can pay any pro for great sex. What I can't buy is the feeling that she's my girl that she truly enjoys being with me and can't wait to see me again and fuck me for all she's worth.

I am absolutely this was with Shayla now. I'm calling best girlfriend ever. Yes I drop her $$ loosely coordinated with our visits. But damn it feels more real than any relationship I've ever had. Including my marriage. LOL.

There are so many "we adore each other" signs and moments that I just can't enumerate. It feels like a million bucks to be with her and I miss her when we are apart. At some point will this lead to crushing defeat when we inevitably part ways? Yep. I'll probably ball my eyes out. But that's what I love. It's real. It's human. And I'm down for the whole ride.[/QUOTE]Cheers mate and enjoy the ride.

Its indeed beautiful.

Peace.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2691236]Well I'm going to go contrarian here and say it's good to fall a bit in love. For me, being smitten with a girl is half the allure. I can pay any pro for great sex. What I can't buy is the feeling that she's my girl that she truly enjoys being with me and can't wait to see me again and fuck me for all she's worth.

I am absolutely this was with Shayla now. I'm calling best girlfriend ever. Yes I drop her $$ loosely coordinated with our visits. But damn it feels more real than any relationship I've ever had. Including my marriage. LOL.

There are so many "we adore each other" signs and moments that I just can't enumerate. It feels like a million bucks to be with her and I miss her when we are apart. At some point will this lead to crushing defeat when we inevitably part ways? Yep. I'll probably ball my eyes out. But that's what I love. It's real. It's human. And I'm down for the whole ride.[/QUOTE]Tbh, we are saying the same thing. Yes, some amount of allure, good feelings, playfulness and good vibes make sex more pleasurable. Even hard core mongers love more than just slam wham banging. But that is not love. At least not my definition of love. Anyone who has been in loving relationships with anyone. Your parents, children, spouses, long term GF, others. Know how deep and intense that is, how caring for each other works, how you give them more than possible and want to keep giving w / o expecting quid pro quo.

In a sugar relationship I want only quid pro quo. I don't necessarily Want free stuff and I will not give when I don't receive. Any relationship that has that quid pro quo expectation is not love.

It is possible to have expectations of allure, wanting more than just physical sex, in a sugar dating. That is like in FKKs, some guys want the girls they just fucked to wave to them in the lounge and smile, perhaps sit down for lunch once in a while, just be pleasant. Those are the things which lead to repeat sales for the girls, just like the allure and playfulness etc lead more repeat business for the sugarbabe.

But is that love? Not in my book.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2691221]Greatly appreciate this information. It allows me to establish a range on what a right price ought to be based on the different parameters. Kind of like google flight telling me if the price is within a typical range.[/QUOTE]You are welcome although I don't think I added any useful info. One of my key interests in joining this forum initially was to understand pricing. Naturally you'd want to know if you are paying too much. Or if you are losing out on girls because you are offering too little. Unlike in an FKK, there is no reliable way to find pricing for sugar dating as you don't know the other SDs.

Unfortunately, it's kinda difficult to find pricing because many guys don't follow any local rules on pricing. One gentleman from Tampa recently posted he willingly gives $1 K per session to a girl. To me that is an excess payment but of course who am I to say so and what if the girl is a supermodel quality?

If you do most of your sugar dating in a single city, you can get a sense of prices over time because you will see the responses from the girls to your offers.

If you are city hopping, it is tough to know what is the local price. You just have to go with your instinct.

One of the things I have seen post Covid is that the number of girls who demand upfront payment has increased massively. Prior to Covid, you could meet girls for a drink or lunch and get to know and if liking each other, schedule a sex date. Now, they want gas money or some other money and of course they can just take the money and block you and you never got to even meet them. So, how are you supposed to meet girls in a new city if you are there for just 2 or 3 days? In your own city you can stay patient and wait for a real, genuine person.

This is one of the unfortunate changes that happened on SA. For sure, the number of scam artists has skyrocketed.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2691158] You don't want these girls in your schedule which will cause you more pain than what you are negotiating down.[/QUOTE]Yea that would suck big time, that's why I won't bother at. I have no issue paying their price but if the date goes bad or worse no sex, your out a good amount:

So my other question would be then, do you think its better for the guy to ask her rate, something more along the line of "I'd want to give you a gift what do you have in mind?

Many girls seem to have the guy throw the number at her, if they bring it up, but I feel like that's not good because if I say 4000, says going to counter with something higher most likely.

[QUOTE=NahkMD;2691430]Many girls seem to have the guy throw the number at her, if they bring it up, but I feel like that's not good because if I say 4000, says going to counter with something higher most likely.[/QUOTE]When I was on the site, I wouldn't put a money offer out first. Girls would try to get me to, but I wouldn't. I would usually just reply with, "What would make you happy"? That tended to work in getting the girl to name a figure first. Only one time did a chick get mad and decided to stop talking to me. I didn't give a damn! Could have been undercover for all I know trying to set me up for "solicitation."

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2691410]Tbh, we are saying the same thing. Yes, some amount of allure, good feelings, playfulness and good vibes make sex more pleasurable. Even hard core mongers love more than just slam wham banging. But that is not love. At least not my definition of love. Anyone who has been in loving relationships with anyone. Your parents, children, spouses, long term GF, others. Know how deep and intense that is, how caring for each other works, how you give them more than possible and want to keep giving w / o expecting quid pro quo.

In a sugar relationship I want only quid pro quo. I don't necessarily Want free stuff and I will not give when I don't receive. Any relationship that has that quid pro quo expectation is not love.

It is possible to have expectations of allure, wanting more than just physical sex, in a sugar dating. That is like in FKKs, some guys want the girls they just fucked to wave to them in the lounge and smile, perhaps sit down for lunch once in a while, just be pleasant. Those are the things which lead to repeat sales for the girls, just like the allure and playfulness etc lead more repeat business for the sugarbabe.

But is that love? Not in my book.[/QUOTE]Super funny you should mention this because Shayla and I were just talking about how fucked up Western concepts of Love are and that it comes down to being an overloaded word. The Greeks had 7 words to express the different types. Makes waaaay more sense. Fwiw Shayla and I have Eros, Philia, and Ludus. But not Storge and Pragma which is what you are talking about primarily above.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2691415]

Unfortunately, it's kinda difficult to find pricing because many guys don't follow any local rules on pricing. One gentleman from Tampa recently posted he willingly gives $1 K per session to a girl. To me that is an excess payment but of course who am I to say so and what if the girl is a supermodel quality?

[/QUOTE]Ironically, I know more about markets in other countries but not in my backyard. Plus being able to be speak four languages do help get me around and make my interactions with the girls overseas more enjoyable. Anyway, hopping to pick up on my fifth one should I get to travel to South America more often. Learning a language through immersion is always the fastest way for me and what better way than through sex, LOL.

In my backyard, I tend to go with the agency route. Straight forward with clear cut expectation. However, it feels rushed and I no longer enjoy it as much. Now that I have started using SA, I might as well find out what is possible in my backyard. However, I am also finding it to be so exhausting in many aspects. I don't really know how to explain it yet, but that feeling of freedom and excitement are simply absent. Instead, I have to worry about the logistics. I will give it another month to see how everything goes for me with SA.

And yeah, I am also always weary and on the look for the scam artists.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2691415]You are welcome although I don't think I added any useful info. One of my key interests in joining this forum initially was to understand pricing. Naturally you'd want to know if you are paying too much. Or if you are losing out on girls because you are offering too little. Unlike in an FKK, there is no reliable way to find pricing for sugar dating as you don't know the other SDs.

Unfortunately, it's kinda difficult to find pricing because many guys don't follow any local rules on pricing. One gentleman from Tampa recently posted he willingly gives $1 K per session to a girl. To me that is an excess payment but of course who am I to say so and what if the girl is a supermodel quality?

If you do most of your sugar dating in a single city, you can get a sense of prices over time because you will see the responses from the girls to your offers.

If you are city hopping, it is tough to know what is the local price. You just have to go with your instinct.

One of the things I have seen post Covid is that the number of girls who demand upfront payment has increased massively. Prior to Covid, you could meet girls for a drink or lunch and get to know and if liking each other, schedule a sex date. Now, they want gas money or some other money and of course they can just take the money and block you and you never got to even meet them. So, how are you supposed to meet girls in a new city if you are there for just 2 or 3 days?.[/QUOTE]Never be desperate. I always take the I can leave it approach. The excessively priced girls tend to be worse since they can have a princess attitude. If you are visiting short time or have no experience, you just have to pay more. You find out the real price soon.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2691131]My marriage license was like a license of abuse, and one of the things that opened up my eyes was my asking a 23 year old American sugar baby of mine if she would date me if I got a divorce. Her answer shocked me. She said yes if I gave up all the other women. I was mid 40's at the time, and her friends called her Angie Everhart because she looked so much like that supermodel.[/QUOTE]Actually, a mid-40's guy dating a 23 year old is not unusual particularly in Latin America. At that age, I would routinely walk into a young Latin American club with friends and colleagues and meet English-speaking babes. I never felt out of place with a twentysomething at the club or elsewhere.

I don't know your foreign language skills, but I have one general view on foreign girls who speak English well. They have worked hard to learn English knowing it could be their ticket to a better life. When I was in my thirties and forties, the Latin girls who knew some English would perk up when they heard me talking to my amigos.

So I guess I'm saying that there are several factors that make that age differential work well abroad.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2689390]Interesting historical background on Seeking.

What is your take on "No Strings Attached" and "Discretion"? These Seeking descriptors seem sexually provocative. Obviously, FWB spells it out clearly.

There also the many attractive, young women posing in skimpy bikinis. That certainly confuses a few newbies, but these girls have to distinguish themselves one way or another. Attractive girls have to flaunt it particularly if they want a long-term sugar daddy.[/QUOTE]Sorry, missed your post.

I think NSA and discretion are ok, no? They don't connote sex in anyway. NSA simply is an equivalent of at will employment? That neither the dude nor the girl are exclusive to each other, nor obligated into any long term arrangement? Discretion is just wanting to keep it quiet, I. E. No movie dates, or at highly visible restaurants etc.

The thing is, the above are my interpretations of the law, but I am not a lawyer. And when it comes to SA, what is provable in a court of law is important but we don't want to even get to that level. So, I am with you that it is prudent to cut out any words and phrases that smack of paid sex.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2691819]Actually, a mid-40's guy dating a 23 year old is not unusual particularly in Latin America. At that age, I would routinely walk into a young Latin American club with friends and colleagues and meet English-speaking babes. I never felt out of place with a twentysomething at the club or elsewhere.

I don't know your foreign language skills, but I have one general view on foreign girls who speak English well. They have worked hard to learn English knowing it could be their ticket to a better life. When I was in my thirties and forties, the Latin girls who knew some English would perk up when they heard me talking to my amigos.

So I guess I'm saying that there are several factors that make that age differential work well abroad.[/QUOTE]That is my impression as well, that in LatAm and E European countries, older men with power and money are actually attractive dates for hot, young babes. Don't know if I got this "wisdom" from watching too many cheesy Hollywood movies, LOL.

Yes, foreign babes who know a smattering of English may want to date or hook up with English speaking white dudes, especially if you dress well and act gentlemanly. I can see that easily.

Had another meeting with my total unicorn of an utterly wild, crazy SB. We did some things and pushed some limits that left us feeling a little. Dazed and me very guilty.

It's hard not to overstep in the moment because she is so submissive and we've agreed in future to set limits with unclouded minds. She isn't upset we did what we did, she just doesn't feel she can cope with it emotionally regularly and I've felt like a total prick for pushing things that far. Still, she feels like what happened was a mutual thing. We egg each other on.

Very very fond of this girl. But we've both agreed we're bad for each other at this current moment in time. I've told her I'm leaving the UK (hopefully in the next few days) for a month or so.

If she's still around when I return (I've told her I seriously would like to hear she's found the dream sugar daddy she needs or preferably sorts her life out and gets out of this), I want try and meet her in a more sustainable way for both of us.

She also knows I'm not going to be the sugar daddy all the girls want and that future meetings will be far more sporadic. She still seems totally enamoured with me and the sex we have. And happy to meet on whatever terms I set, as infrequently as I want / will be able to in future.

I'm still not sure if we will ever be able to limit ourselves and I worry about her stability long term. She has a lid on things at the moment, but I can see things going south quickly.

Not sure I'm cut out for this less. Commercial. Form of paid sex / relationship. I'm struggling to let her go even though I think that will probably be in both our interests. My only previous experience with a similar situation (my Gambian sweetheart) I also struggled to let go.

My head is in a total mess over all this. I'm not calling love because I genuinely believe it isn't, it's an infatuation with a totally amazing sexual connection with a totally enthralling and cool as fuck temptress.

Really really hope that my wish for her comes true because I'm not convinced I should see her again or that I will be able to resist it.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2691819]Actually, a mid-40's guy dating a 23 year old is not unusual particularly in Latin America. At that age, I would routinely walk into a young Latin American club with friends and colleagues and meet English-speaking babes. I never felt out of place with a twentysomething at the club or elsewhere.
[/QUOTE]I agree Wyatt, but the girl I was referring to was in the USA. It was back a decade or so again when prices for SBs were still reasonable.

Has anyone ever used sugardaddy dot com? Is it a good alternative to SA? They seem to rely on credit system instead of a hefty monthly fee like SA.

Looks like the locations are limited to USA only. I cannot seem to search for any cities outside the US. I would like to hear from anyone who has used this platform on their experiences with it.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2692302]Has anyone ever used sugardaddy dot com? Is it a good alternative to SA? They seem to rely on credit system instead of a hefty monthly fee like SA.

Looks like the locations are limited to USA only. I cannot seem to search for any cities outside the US. I would like to hear from anyone who has used this platform on their experiences with it.[/QUOTE]I have and sites that use such credit systems are not worth it. Steve tried recently and came to the same conclusion. You can give it a shot to scratch the itch but in the end, I'm afraid you will probably agree with that view. Your Bill's run up too much too quickly, the long and short of it.

On behalf of everyone on this totally anonymous forum where you're anonymous and everyone is and there's no need to be coy: when you say you overstepped and things went so crazy, what are we talking about here?

[QUOTE=JJanni;2692157]Had another meeting with my total unicorn of an utterly wild, crazy SB. We did some things and pushed some limits that left us feeling a little. Dazed and me very guilty.

It's hard not to overstep in the moment because she is so submissive and we've agreed in future to set limits with unclouded minds. She isn't upset we did what we did, she just doesn't feel she can cope with it emotionally regularly and I've felt like a total prick for pushing things that far. Still, she feels like what happened was a mutual thing. We egg each other on.

Very very fond of this girl. But we've both agreed we're bad for each other at this current moment in time. I've told her I'm leaving the UK (hopefully in the next few days) for a month or so.

If she's still around when I return (I've told her I seriously would like to hear she's found the dream sugar daddy she needs or preferably sorts her life out and gets out of this), I want try and meet her in a more sustainable way for both of us..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2692094]Sorry, missed your post.

I think NSA and discretion are ok, no? They don't connote sex in anyway. NSA simply is an equivalent of at will employment? That neither the dude nor the girl are exclusive to each other, nor obligated into any long term arrangement? Discretion is just wanting to keep it quiet, I. E. No movie dates, or at highly visible restaurants etc.

The thing is, the above are my interpretations of the law, but I am not a lawyer. And when it comes to SA, what is provable in a court of law is important but we don't want to even get to that level. So, I am with you that it is prudent to cut out any words and phrases that smack of paid sex.[/QUOTE]I wasn't trying to make a point really. I just wanted your take and other's take on various Seeking descriptors. While NSA and Discretion don't connote sex, they do connote zero attachment in the relationship and something we have to keep secret respectively. If a girl was willing to provide transactional sex, that would be a good start. Some of the descriptors certainly seem to imply the opposite.

As I mentioned, some of the photo sets and the poses certainly seem provocative beyond a casual beach or boat shot.

Just curious to know if members here look for certain signals on a women's profile.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2692302]Has anyone ever used sugardaddy dot com? Is it a good alternative to SA? They seem to rely on credit system instead of a hefty monthly fee like SA.

Looks like the locations are limited to USA only. I cannot seem to search for any cities outside the US. I would like to hear from anyone who has used this platform on their experiences with it.[/QUOTE]It's more than just a waste of time and money. It's a scam. I have a close girl friend (not girlfriend) who is 24 and on the prowl for SDs. (We didn't work out) And what we found is that it's sending out her "interest" to various guys at random. Including me. Then the guy punches on her because she's interested (she's not!) and he pays $6. So every one of these "interested" girls is really just the system spamming you to get your $$ AVOID.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2692492]It's more than just a waste of time and money. It's a scam. I have a close girl friend (not girlfriend) who is 24 and on the prowl for SDs. (We didn't work out) And what we found is that it's sending out her "interest" to various guys at random. Including me. Then the guy punches on her because she's interested (she's not!) and he pays $6. So every one of these "interested" girls is really just the system spamming you to get your $$ AVOID.[/QUOTE]I have stopped playing with SA now for 2 months and have been most happy. Only scammers, girls who want money before meeting, no shows, girls wanting to sell photos, onlyfan subscriptions, etc. Its worthless now.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2692492]It's more than just a waste of time and money. It's a scam. I have a close girl friend (not girlfriend) who is 24 and on the prowl for SDs. (We didn't work out) And what we found is that it's sending out her "interest" to various guys at random. Including me. Then the guy punches on her because she's interested (she's not!) and he pays $6. So every one of these "interested" girls is really just the system spamming you to get your $$ AVOID.[/QUOTE]Thanks to you and Pessimist for this feedback. I was excited for a minute there, until I realized that they are probably operated by a bunch of amateurs. It does not have a few good features like the video verification and seems to have quite a list of SBs, but other than that, everything else is just meh.

Case in point:

- They only accept bitcoin to buy their credit. However there is no way to do so other than being told to contact their support team. Ok, how to contact their support team? That info is completely missing. If anyone wants to run any viable business, that is something they should pay attention to. I am surprised they are still kicking. Not even sure if they are on life-support.

- No SBs outside the US. WTF. I already dislike my experience trying to connect with all these SBs in the US. With no option to search for SBs outside the US, this service is definitely a no-no for me.

- Crap, they don't even have the option to delete my account. I am just going to remove as much information as possible and making it unsearchable in the meantime.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2692662]Thanks to you and Pessimist for this feedback. I was excited for a minute there, until I realized that they are probably operated by a bunch of amateurs. It does not have a few good features like the video verification and seems to have quite a list of SBs, but other than that, everything else is just meh.

Case in point:

- They only accept bitcoin to buy their credit. However there is no way to do so other than being told to contact their support team. Ok, how to contact their support team? That info is completely missing. If anyone wants to run any viable business, that is something they should pay attention to. I am surprised they are still kicking. Not even sure if they are on life-support..[/QUOTE]That's because these sites are insanely profitable. Match group margins were nearly 30% and revenues stretching into 3+ billions and its margins would be much higher if it was not spending so much money on increasing its subscriber count. Seeking charges $90 a month while tinder charges less than 100 now for A year of Platinum. And unlike match which spends tons of money marketing on search engines and other places, seeking spends far far less. I would be shocked if seeking margins are Less than 50%. There are hardly any new features. Don't think they are paying a thousand developers to write code adding new features. It is a pure cash cow.

I am sure other sugar daddy sites have far fewer members but they probably have nice profitability as well. Costs are minimal once you get up to a certain scale.

So, they will keep going, make sure they are not shut down by authorities. This explains why SA is happily tolerating the umpteen number of obvious scammers posing as girls but shuts down a dude's account after he paid $240 for 3 months if he so much as mentioned the letters F, W, and be in the same sentence. Any whiff of paid sex might lead it to be shut down while the Feds will never shut it down even if it is crawling with a million scammers.

That is another peeve, that our government and law think scammers are an ok part of our society but a man paying for sex has to be silenced immediately.

Last night I was logged out of SA. I tried to log back in, enter my google authentication and a screen pops up for one second saying my location or device changed and to reverify. This only appears for a second and I was able to click on the confirm button twice but the browser refreshes to the login screen with a message to say I was logged out.

I have tried a few times but happens on mobile and different desktop browsers.

Anyone have a similar experiences and suggestion for a fix?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2692676]This explains why SA is happily tolerating the umpteen number of obvious scammers posing as girls but shuts down a dude's account after he paid $240 for 3 months if he so much as mentioned the letters F, W, and be in the same sentence. Any whiff of paid sex might lead it to be shut down while the Feds will never shut it down even if it is crawling with a million scammers.[/QUOTE]I must be getting old because I have no idea what W is.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2692854]I must be getting old because I have no idea what W is.[/QUOTE]I think he meant to say, FWB, Friend with Benefits.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2692854]I must be getting old because I have no idea what W is.[/QUOTE]Yes, FWB as Gekko said. I was being a bit dramatic, that not only FWB phrase is banned but even the individual letters f, w, and be are banned. But you get my gist.

P.S. For some reason, this site changes my be to be. Also S to yes. Autospell correct? Not due to my phone.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2692901]Yes, FWB as Gekko said. I was being a bit dramatic, that not only FWB phrase is banned but even the individual letters f, w, and be are banned. But you get my gist.

P.S. For some reason, this site changes my be to be. Also S to yes. Autospell correct? Not due to my phone.[/QUOTE]Oh my bad. My eyes were locked in on F and b.

And for some reason, this site does have an awkward auto-editor. I think it will strangely auto-edit USA and other abbreviations.

[QUOTE=Globo;2692819]Anyone have a similar experiences and suggestion for a fix?[/QUOTE]A) clear your browser cache.

If pain persists.

B) clear your browser cookies.

Being with Shayla for a couple months now (off and on) I am concluding I've never been with a truly horny girl before. Yes been with girls that def enjoy sex. But never one who got turned on so quickly and just doesn't want to stop. I guess Jade was damn close with her "you can fuck me all night baby if you want" line. She was a hot mess also.

But damn Shayla is a beast. Like you start kissing and it's light stuff. Maybe LFK at best and you are wondering, does she really like to kiss? She starts off this way every time. Then you get her going by sucking her tits. She starts moaning and is wet as Niagara Falls in like 30 seconds flat. And starts kissing like she will eat your face. After we fuck she literally has juice running down her thighs. And the other night after fucking for like 30 minutes I am near the edge so I say "babe I want to cum in your mouth" and she says "ummmm just a few more strokes it feels so good" and continues on a bit before giving me a shattering CIM and swallow.

Never met anyone like her. Counting my blessings. Who's the horniest beast you have ever been with?

Some places are definitely better for SA than others. I let loose the wins and the losses alike.

I was in Orlando for business for 4 days. In traditional fashion, I activated my membership and started messaging about 7 days before arrival. I started probably around noonish and after sending out quite a few messages I was surprised that an hour had gone by and I only got like one reply and it wasn't very good. Very little views and in general, it was far less than what I'm used to. After chekcing the site the next day, there were replies, but none were very interesting. It's like I was fighting an uphill battle with the girls resisting the whole way.

Conversations would start, then after 2 exchanges no answer, ghosted or blocked. It felt like the dynamic was such that the girls felt they were in control and wanted to maintain that power dynamic. Very different vibe than in other parts of the world. Of the many girls that I spoke to, I was able to pull 5 or so out of the water.

The madness:

Girl1:

She wanted to meet the first day that I messaged her, but I wasnt' in town. After I arrived, she wouldn't respond to any messages. Ghosted.

Girl2:

Brazilian girl that gave me her number in her first response. Her profile only showed her ass. When we moved over to texting, she asked me to send her some of my pics. I usually comply and don't have a problem with this. It's a fair trade. In this case, being as though you can see me on my profile (with glasses) yet on hers, you can only see her ass, I asked her to send me a pic so I can see her face. She refused and said "you first". After two rounds of this, I got a little irritated and stopped texting. SBs usually don't' behave like this, escorts do.

Girl3:

Had a great conversation and she was down. She want three see notes and the deal was set. She lived about 40 minutes from where I was staying which makes an hour and twenty minute round trip commute during rush hour. I had a team dinner with my Director that was around 8 ish. We were talking around 5 and I didn't want to risk being late, so I didn't' go and told her that the timing just doesn't work out and maybe we should try the next day. Initially she said okay. Then she wrote back an hour later and said that my dinner was "optional" (I never said that) and that she doesn't understand why it takes 3 hours to hookup. She said SA is a hookup site and I was wasting her time. Keep in mind that I offered to Uber her to me in order to save time and she said it was too far and that she wanted to chill with her cousins around 730/800; also that traffic was going to be pretty bad. This is def not the type of selfish girl I'm looking for and in my case, I'm not looking for just a hookup. I need the SB package.

Girl 4:

We spoke for a couple days and she seemed promising. She works three jobs but was going to make time for me one of the nights. I like the thin EU spinner type. Her body was thicker than I'm used to but, it was still acceptable in the pics, so I figured I'd give it a try. She asked me to come by her job to see her so I did and as soon as she walked up I could see that the pics lied. I mean they really lied. She had a big ass, sloppy tits and generally was fluffy. I don't want skin and bones, but I'm not into the fluff. Besides that, she was busy with work and told me that she wanted to hookup with her friends after work. I was kind of expecting to hang out together and then head back to my place. I left and went back to the hotel. She texted me several times since then, but my interest is gone. I don't want the mom body that hasn't spent a day in the gym. I take care of myself and I kinda expect the same.

Girl5:

Looks were a 5, but her body was a 7. 5 based on the pics. We moved to text after 3 exchanges and she was right to the point. She wanted 3 see notes and was very forward from the begnning. She told me that she does eat ass and doesn't like cum in her mouth or on her face. This was totally unsolicited as I never mentioned any of them. I was still trying to find out what she liked to do for fun. LOL. We met at a hookah lounge and as she walks up I am immediately disappointed. The face was busted, her thighs were thick (not in a good way), ass was flat, and generally had no sex appeal. I couldn't even bribe my dick to give it a shot. You know like, "Hey buddy, I know this one is really bad, but it you do this one, I'll give you that russian blonde from Madrid that you like. " LOL LOL. What made it worse was revealed when I sat next to her. She had really really bad breath. I have never smelled breath that bad on a girl before. It was disgusting. She then went on to tell me that she spends all day drinking and smoking and making money, but at the same time she was very excited to start a new job at Dunkin Donuts. She told me how crazy she is and that her legs sometimes go numb without warning. My first thought was how are you able to drive? I was scared as hell getting in the car with her. I had to end the night early, as it truly was that bad.

This was my experience over the weekend. Now in stark contrast, I browsed some profiles in Frankfurt and Madrid (just to check out the talent) as I will be there in the coming months. I didn't send any messages, and I already have more than 10 views and about 8 messages within about 2 hours. I haven't even tried yet! My experience keeps showing over and over that SA (for me) works waaaay better in EU than in the US. Just my experience, and it's definitely not a definitive statement.

Be safe out there guys and good luck.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2693240]Some places are definitely better for SA than others. I let loose the wins and the losses alike.

I was in Orlando for business for 4 days. In traditional fashion, I activated my membership and started messaging about 7 days before arrival. I started probably around noonish and after sending out quite a few messages I was surprised that an hour had gone by and I only got like one reply and it wasn't very good. Very little views and in general, it was far less than what I'm used to. After chekcing the site the next day, there were replies, but none were very interesting. It's like I was fighting an uphill battle with the girls resisting the whole way.

Conversations would start, then after 2 exchanges no answer, ghosted or blocked. It felt like the dynamic was such that the girls felt they were in control and wanted to maintain that power dynamic. Very different vibe than in other parts of the world. Of the many girls that I spoke to, I was able to pull 5 or so out of the water.

The madness:.[/QUOTE]Hilarious and honest report. Enjoyed reading it. Thanks LOL.

I heard Orlando is terrible. Tbh, I had some good experiences in Miami area (expensive) and Tampa. Never tried Orlando, only go there to take kids to Disney LOL. But your report is consistent with my views of that city.

Hope better luck next time on your travel.

Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2693240]Some places are definitely better for SA than others. I let loose the wins and the losses alike.



This was my experience over the weekend. Now in stark contrast, I browsed some profiles in Frankfurt and Madrid (just to check out the talent) as I will be there in the coming months. I didn't send any messages, and I already have more than 10 views and about 8 messages within about 2 hours. I haven't even tried yet! My experience keeps showing over and over that SA (for me) works waaaay better in EU than in the US. Just my experience, and it's definitely not a definitive statement.

Be safe out there guys and good luck.[/QUOTE]Your report is simply hilarious and I have enjoyed reading it. My impression of US based SBs are baked-in for the worse now that you have validated your experience. I am sorry that you had to go through this, but hey, it's life. We experienced through them and share our stories here. For me, some of these SBs have ghosted me after agreeing on a package and I have probably ghosted quite a few of them myself after more interactions over text. Just feel they are not worth the trouble.

Now I am just using it for my hunt in other countries like Colombia. It will be interesting to learn about your SB experiences in Frankfurt and other cities in Germany.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2693281]Your report is simply hilarious and I have enjoyed reading it. My impression of US based SBs are baked-in for the worse now that you have validated your experience. I am sorry that you had to go through this, but hey, it's life. We experienced through them and share our stories here. For me, some of these SBs have ghosted me after agreeing on a package and I have probably ghosted quite a few of them myself after more interactions over text. Just feel they are not worth the trouble.

Now I am just using it for my hunt in other countries like Colombia. It will be interesting to learn about your SB experiences in Frankfurt and other cities in Germany.[/QUOTE]+1 Shroomer. Great write up and great to see you back. I was just reflecting on the wide city variance as well. At home in a second tier city it's a handful of fat chicks And the usual suspects. I am soooo lucky to have scored Shayla. (She's actually from out of state). But now I am surfing Vegas and have the filter set to 22-24 year old slim or average Latinas and there is a shitload of options and different ones each day. Having to pare things down. Not going to be 3 see notes for sure. Hoping to keep it to 5. Will have to charm their pants off. Fortunately that's my thing. LOL.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2693240]Some places are definitely better for SA than others. I let loose the wins and the losses alike.

I was in Orlando for business for 4 days. In traditional fashion, I activated my membership and started messaging about 7 days before arrival. I started probably around noonish and after sending out quite a few messages I was surprised that an hour had gone by and I only got like one reply and it wasn't very good. Very little views and in general, it was far less than what I'm used to. After chekcing the site the next day, there were replies, but none were very interesting. It's like I was fighting an uphill battle with the girls resisting the whole way.

Conversations would start, then after 2 exchanges no answer, ghosted or blocked. It felt like the dynamic was such that the girls felt they were in control and wanted to maintain that power dynamic. Very different vibe than in other parts of the world. Of the many girls that I spoke to, I was able to pull 5 or so out of the water.[/QUOTE]Thankyou for verifying why I am done with SA. Its not me or you. It them.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2693320]+1 Shroomer. Great write up and great to see you back. I was just reflecting on the wide city variance as well. At home in a second tier city it's a handful of fat chicks And the usual suspects. I am soooo lucky to have scored Shayla. (She's actually from out of state). But now I am surfing Vegas and have the filter set to 22-24 year old slim or average Latinas and there is a shitload of options and different ones each day. Having to pare things down. Not going to be 3 see notes for sure. Hoping to keep it to 5. Will have to charm their pants off. Fortunately that's my thing. LOL.[/QUOTE]Vegas is probably one of the most expensive place to monger. If you are able to get one with just 5 Benjamins, that was a huge bargain. I remember spending on average a grand for a two hours package eight years ago through this agency, but at least for that I get GFE, CIM, anal experience with video production of our act for keepsake. I am definitely not a porn director material, but it's meant for own consumption anyway LOL. These days, I will be lucky if I can even get that kind of pricing in Vegas for such a package service.

I'm wondering why SA is not popular in Brazil? Rio and Sao Paulo are huge cities with plenty of girls. I know the talent is there, but for some reason they don't utilize the platform. When I was in Rio last summer I was only able to score 1 date (good one, though), pickings were extra slim, Medellin for example, has 5-6 times more girls on SA using the same search criteria. Has anyone successfully used SA in Rio or SP? I'm sure SA could be a good alternative to Scandallo girls for someone who prefers GFE dates and would like to get a better deal. I have just did a quick search, and SP got twice as many girls 18-25 yo as Rio, however, not many stunners to choose from.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2693383]I'm wondering why SA is not popular in Brazil? Has anyone successfully used SA in Rio or SP?[/QUOTE]We don't need no stinking Seeking in Brazil! Too many other good options. Brazil even has several good escort agencies that I don't have to worry about bait and switch with. It's the only country I've mongered in where I can say that with confidence. There are plenty of avenues to get GFE in Brazil if that's what you want without needing SA. That's part of the beauty of Brazil. A multitude of options. What contributes to it being numero uno!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2693055]

Never met anyone like her. Counting my blessings. Who's the horniest beast you have ever been with?[/QUOTE]For me, this has to be Miss J. She lives about a couple of hours away from me. But never says no. If I feel like having a good fuck, and tell her to get her ass (well, pussy) to me, she does.

Once I told her at 3 PM and she was kissing me at my personal bar at 7 PM. I had not even started to fondle her, but when I slipped my fingers down there after a few kisses, she was soaking wet. Pulled it down, unzipped and I was inside her in like 30 secs. We went on to fuck 3 times just that night. And 3 more next morning before she left at 11 AM.

We would have a 45 min session in bed, I lay on her for few minutes and we go to shower with the idea of washing off. But, while in shower, things heat up and before we know, we are fucking in the shower.

There was another occasion I was visiting her town in work. Had booked this hotel with sauna and pools at the ground floor. We go to sauna (maybe, 10 other people there naked). She sits next to me. I pretend as if I am holding her waist. But soon, she is seated on my palm and my fingers are inside. She is wet again.

We exit sauna, go upstairs to my room and fuck.

She is so horny that she sometimes initiates sex before I do. I love that.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2693320]+1 Shroomer. Great write up and great to see you back. I was just reflecting on the wide city variance as well. At home in a second tier city it's a handful of fat chicks And the usual suspects. I am soooo lucky to have scored Shayla. (She's actually from out of state). But now I am surfing Vegas and have the filter set to 22-24 year old slim or average Latinas and there is a shitload of options and different ones each day. Having to pare things down. Not going to be 3 see notes for sure. Hoping to keep it to 5. Will have to charm their pants off. Fortunately that's my thing. LOL.[/QUOTE]With travel picking up again for me, it's feels quite nice to be back in the mix. Even though Orlando was a shit show, the hunt was good. It actually very much validates my original interaction with Orlando some time ago. It is a wasteland for us. If you are not taking kids to Disney, there is nothing there IMHO.

You did bring up a point in passing that I'm curious about. I noticed in Orlando that there were many thirty something SBs on the site. Also, when browsing late twenties and early thirties in EU, the vibe in the profile is quite differernt from their younger counterparts.

So I'm wondering where is the sweet spot for you guys??

Are there some of you that like the aged scotch vs the fall beer?

Do some of you only go for the teens (18-20)?

Only go for Milfs?

Pros / Cons?

I usually look for 20 - 24, slim (don't like the extra meat), but will entertain a 19 yr old. My experience so far has been exclusively with SBs in that age range. When I have come across older SBs, they are usually on the tail end of a slew of bad life decisions and need some extra cash. Depending on the type of bad decisions, it could be cool, but it could also be an indication that she completely f*&Ki#g mental. Recent college grads getting hit by the real world, college girls, or young actresses (yes, thinking of Lili in Madrid) tend to be my sweet spot. Their bodies are usually in great shape, they are appreciative, and seem genuinely interested in the arrangement. I usually don't get hit with "text them" on the second message from a girl that I would say is "ideal", but I do get hit with that alot from the older SBs (prob escorts) or the really young SB. Just my experience.

What say you?

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2693328]Thankyou for verifying why I am done with SA. Its not me or you. It them.[/QUOTE]Hey NeilGeorge,

It is THEM! That was kinda my assertion in the original post.

BUT.

Don't give up too fast! I think it really really depends on location. Steve9696 validated the same in his local geo.

Hit up Spain or London and the games go away (to a degree). I usually have too many responses to give attention to each one. I start copying and pasting responses because there are so many. Totally different experience overseas. Well worth the time. The experience is well worth it.

Just my. 02.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2693546]Hey NeilGeorge,

It is THEM! That was kinda my assertion in the original post.[/QUOTE]And thanks to you for verifying me. Seeking sucks and is mostly a waste of money (and a [B]huge[/B] waste of time), at least in the United States it is, which is the only place I have ever used it. Although I'm no longer active, I didn't actually delete my account, and I still get expressions of interest from time to time. Keeping an account was actually a conscious decision to extend my "experiment". What happens when you're no longer active, but keep your account? Well for one thing, Seeking is trying hard to get me to come back, offering a 20% discount. Make it free, and then I'll think about it LOL!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2693383]I'm wondering why SA is not popular in Brazil? Rio and Sao Paulo are huge cities with plenty of girls. I know the talent is there, but for some reason they don't utilize the platform. When I was in Rio last summer I was only able to score 1 date (good one, though), pickings were extra slim, Medellin for example, has 5-6 times more girls on SA using the same search criteria. Has anyone successfully used SA in Rio or SP? I'm sure SA could be a good alternative to Scandallo girls for someone who prefers GFE dates and would like to get a better deal. I have just did a quick search, and SP got twice as many girls 18-25 yo as Rio, however, not many stunners to choose from.[/QUOTE]This is been discussed before. I believe Steve and others have pointed out that countries with well-developed P4P scenes seem to not be great Seeking destinations. Of course, this is a generalization and doesn't hold true to form everywhere. Some guys here have had great success with SA in Colombia even with its robust P4P scene. While others have found Seeking advantageous in Argentina where P4P has been driven underground.

I would add that from my years of visiting Brazil for business and pleasure that Brazilians (and other South Americans) have had very strong sugar daddy cultures. The income disparity has always been very high. Actually, one of the highest particularly for a fairly industrialize country. And if you consider, the very low wages at the base of the Brazilian pyramid you start to get the picture.

Taking all of this into consideration, I have to wonder if young Brazilian women with limited incomes really ever needed Seeking. Brazil has P4P freelancer venues that are more like nightclubs than brothels. A working girl at a boate (club) picks her partner and price. Some working girls fall into regular arrangements. I also think sugar daddies and sugar babies have been finding each other for decades in Brazil. Perhaps through work, through word of mouth or even at night clubs. It was not unusual for a business colleague to ask an attractive waitress thirty years younger for her phone number. Many times she would give it to him.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2693545]With travel picking up again for me, it's feels quite nice to be back in the mix. Even though Orlando was a shit show, the hunt was good. It actually very much validates my original interaction with Orlando some time ago. It is a wasteland for us. If you are not taking kids to Disney, there is nothing there IMHO.

You did bring up a point in passing that I'm curious about. I noticed in Orlando that there were many thirty something SBs on the site. Also, when browsing late twenties and early thirties in EU, the vibe in the profile is quite differernt from their younger counterparts.

So I'm wondering where is the sweet spot for you guys??

Are there some of you that like the aged scotch vs the fall beer?

Do some of you only go for the teens (18-20)?

Only go for Milfs?

Pros / Cons?

I usually look for 20 - 24, slim (don't like the extra meat), but will entertain a 19 yr old. My experience so far has been exclusively with SBs in that age range. When I have come across older SBs, they are usually on the tail end of a slew of bad life decisions and need some extra cash. Depending on the type of bad decisions, it could be cool, but it could also be an indication that she completely f*&Ki#g mental. Recent college grads getting hit by the real world, college girls, or young actresses (yes, thinking of Lili in Madrid) tend to be my sweet spot. Their bodies are usually in great shape, they are appreciative, and seem genuinely interested in the arrangement. I usually don't get hit with "text them" on the second message from a girl that I would say is "ideal", but I do get hit with that alot from the older SBs (prob escorts) or the really young SB. Just my experience.

What say you?[/QUOTE]For me it's unfailingly 22-24 that are best. If she has a nose ring it's even more of a tell! Older than 24 I've had some sex fails (balk!) whereas under 25 have been unfailingly down to get down! I wouldn't mind 20 but they both seem flakier and they can't drink at dinner (had one carded and denied! So 22-24 is just the best. Think I've had about 30 girls in this sweet spot.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2693555]This is been discussed before. I believe Steve and others have pointed out that countries with well-developed P4P scenes seem to not be great Seeking destinations. Of course, this is a generalization and doesn't hold true to form everywhere. Some guys here have had great success with SA in Colombia even with its robust P4P scene. While others have found Seeking advantageous in Argentina where P4P has been driven underground.

I would add that from my years of visiting Brazil for business and pleasure that Brazilians (and other South Americans) have had very strong sugar daddy cultures. The income disparity has always been very high. Actually, one of the highest particularly for a fairly industrialize country. And if you consider, the very low wages at the base of the Brazilian pyramid you start to get the picture.

Taking all of this into consideration, I have to wonder if young Brazilian women with limited incomes really ever needed Seeking. Brazil has P4P freelancer venues that are more like nightclubs than brothels. A working girl at a boate (club) picks her partner and price. Some working girls fall into regular arrangements. I also think sugar daddies and sugar babies have been finding each other for decades in Brazil. Perhaps through work, through word of mouth or even at night clubs. It was not unusual for a business colleague to ask an attractive waitress thirty years younger for her phone number. Many times she would give it to him.[/QUOTE]A well developed P6 should put men off the playing field. Or some men, many men, if not all men. Some should still be interested in the longer term, GFE type girls which in theory can be fulfilled by SBs. I agree that I have very little incentive to seek SBs when in Germany but do search SA actively when in other EU countries or UK. But then again, if I was a local in DE, would I feel different? I may not, personally, as a married person seeking just paid sex for a couple of hours here and there (I never seek girls wanting to sleep overnight for example, because I have to be home in the nights). But there was a gentleman on FKK forums who was using local German sugar sites much more than FKKs. His logic was that sugarbabes provided him sex at similar rates and he found them more satisfying.

The other part of this equation are the women. Not every SB is a tute. If you are a typical SB in the US, her choice is not just SB or being a tute. There are tons of women who seek a sugar relationship but will never contemplate being a tute. What is their choice in DE or Brazil just because those countries have thriving local prostitution? I suspect there is a marketplace to serve them. Perhaps SA is not doing a good job attracting such women onto their sites.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2693545] It actually very much validates my original interaction with Orlando some time ago. It is a wasteland for us. If you are not taking kids to Disney, there is nothing there IMHO.

You did bring up a point in passing that I'm curious about. I noticed in Orlando that there were many thirty something SBs on the site. Also, when browsing late twenties and early thirties in EU, the vibe in the profile is quite differernt from their younger counterparts.

So I'm wondering where is the sweet spot for you guys??

Do some of you only go for the teens (18-20)?[/QUOTE]Never had luck with one under 21. They expected $$$ and thought they did not have to share intimacy to get paid for simply companionship, they wanted a one way street.

22-24 were the best, usually they are experimenting, have some experience, are confused, boyfriends their own age cannot support them financially, and are in the best physical shape.

Over 25 you usually get mamas with kids. Then they have to get baby sitters, juggle work, and family, friends. Eventually it is not worth it and you will let them go.

Usually the darker skinned, the more available. White women think they are special and their pussy is gold, usually want more $$ (My opinion, YMMV).

Over 35 they are not in shape, may be more on time to their appointments, but have a lot of mileage on them. They probably were titty dancers when they were young and now cannot get the men's attention. Have alot of old tattoos, are smokers and wrinkled up faces.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2693502]We don't need no stinking Seeking in Brazil! Too many other good options. Brazil even has several good escort agencies that I don't have to worry about bait and switch with. It's the only country I've mongered in where I can say that with confidence. There are plenty of avenues to get GFE in Brazil if that's what you want without needing SA. That's part of the beauty of Brazil. A multitude of options. What contributes to it being numero uno![/QUOTE]Multitude of options to get GFE? Like what?

I have never been a fan of escort agencies. I did a few barravip girls (supposed to be independent?) and all of them were mediocre both in the service and in the looks.

The point of SA is to arrange a normal date, go out, have fun, return to apartment / hotel for more fun, without a rush. Of course there are plenty of options to get laid, but very few ways to get true GFE.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2693666]Multitude of options to get GFE? Like what?

I have never been a fan of escort agencies. I did a few barravip girls (supposed to be independent?) and all of them were mediocre both in the service and in the looks.

The point of SA is to arrange a normal date, go out, have fun, return to apartment / hotel for more fun, without a rush. Of course there are plenty of options to get laid, but very few ways to get true GFE.[/QUOTE]If you say so then. But as WyattEarp points out, the game is different in Brazil. They were "sugaring" long before Seeking was even a "thing". In the meantime, I've still got SA girls texting me. Some of the same ones who ghosted me months ago. Must be broke. Too late now babies. The Cane is out!

So today a girl I met on Seeking got married. And I'm going to declare a victory. What? Let me explain.

I met her three years ago early in my Seeking adventure. Not quite my type (rail thin) but cute enough. She'the just joined and we struck up a conversation. We really vibes well and eventually went over to text. Honestly it very quickly became a "friends" conversation and we just became pen pals more or less. (I've done this with two other girls).

Well it isn't long before we are quite comfortable behind our screens and start chatting about our sex lives and girls. She confesses that she's actually a lesbian and is only on Seeking for some money. And we continue to share stories about girls we are seeing or whatever. She says she's only tried sex with guys a couple times and it hurt and she hated it and that's how she knows she's a lesbian.

Well one night when very drunk she's with an old high school boyfriend. And they are really into each other but an attempted sex is very painful. But she really likes him. I ask her if she started on top or he did? She says he did. I say well I know some petite girls and they always start on top and kinda ease in over a minute or two but once the fit happens it works and she should try that.

Next chat she says "OMG. I started on top and eased in and we had sex! And it was great. I think I might be bi!

We'll long story short she indeed loved sex with him and they dated for a year. Eventually moved in with another guy from high school who she really adored but had lost touch with. They lived together for two years And got married today!

Ignoring the fact that most of us don't believe in that venerable institution of marriage anymore I think this is AMAZING. Where else can an old dude meet a hot young thing, give her sexual and life advice and totally change the course of her life? What a great platform. Despite all its flaws.

P.S. I coached my other two Penpal's thru other complex life situations, edited resumes and Med school applications. Seeking Arrangement. It's not just for fucking anymore! LOL.

After 2 years of so much fun,(Minus her Crazy Ass Mom), and probably my best friend, the model is AWOL. I get the occasional text, but not looking good at all. I thought we would remain friends, but who knows. Life goes on, that is why I always kept meeting other girls, I knew this would happen some day.

MTY is still great and having amazing sex with different girl every weekend, but I would have married her this one.

I met one of my regular girl last night and meeting another tonight. Also, the Venz, Doctor is coming to visit me in San Antonio next weekend. Life is good.

Looks like it is time to head back to CDMX, that is where I was so Happy. The girls on SA are just incredible in Mexico City.

Work had definitely slowed down, with the economy in the tank, so I am having to work a little harder, but no complaints, we are still killing it.

Do you guys mainly do SA outside of your home areas? I was in a midwest college town last week and the selection was awful. Ended up getting catfished and should've walked away but was already in the hotel. Probably going to require public meet going forward.

Would you tell a sb she smells? I've met this girl twice, we get along ok but she's got a funky odor. First time it was a lot of doggy so def got some poo smells, maybe she didn't shower or wipe but it was ok. Second time there's definitely a distinct odor that's more like bo than pussy / ass smell, more sweat like. She wasn't as warm the second time so might not repeat anyways but wondering if I should ask for shower or say something.

I've found it's awkward to check out of hotels an hour or two after you checked in. Had an issue where the desk said I couldn't check out til morning, still haven't gotten the bill. Day use doesn't work for me since I work during the day. Curious if anyone's got ideas.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2693666]Multitude of options to get GFE? Like what?

...

The point of SA is to arrange a normal date, go out, have fun, return to apartment / hotel for more fun, without a rush. Of course there are plenty of options to get laid, but very few ways to get true GFE.[/QUOTE]There are many reports in the Brazil forum having multiple days date, or trip out of town. What do you do differently that you get [B]true GFE[/B] and they don't.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2693802]

I've found it's awkward to check out of hotels an hour or two after you checked in. Had an issue where the desk said I couldn't check out til morning, still haven't gotten the bill. Day use doesn't work for me since I work during the day. Curious if anyone's got ideas.[/QUOTE]In the states, there is no need to "check out" of a hotel. You just leave before checkout time. Do any hotel in the states still require a formal checkout? The only reason to formally check out is if you need a paid-in-full bill, in case you need it for reimbursement for work. I guess if you have never just walked out of the hotel before, without formally checking out, then it may feel weird the first time you do it. If you feel weird about it, then ask them when you check in whether or not you have to formally check out.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2693830]In the states, there is no need to "check out" of a hotel. You just leave before checkout time. Do any hotel in the states still require a formal checkout? The only reason to formally check out is if you need a paid-in-full bill, in case you need it for reimbursement for work. I guess if you have never just walked out of the hotel before, without formally checking out, then it may feel weird the first time you do it. If you feel weird about it, then ask them when you check in whether or not you have to formally check out.[/QUOTE]Yeah what he said. I haven't checked out of a hotel in the USA for the last several years. I just make sure to leave the key in the room if It was a girl date so it's not on my person when I get home.

One point I am slightly paranoid on is what if there is some discrepancy and they write to my home address. I think the chances of this are vanishingly small — no one sends paper and ink anymore — but nonetheless when I check in if they go to key in my address off my license I say it's not my current address. Some times they stop and say they don't need it and others I give them a false incomplete address. In any case I've generally been successful in keeping my address out of their system. Maybe overly paranoid but this tip might help if you are also.

P.S. On the stinky girl question that's a no win situation. I'the just move on.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2693830]In the states, there is no need to "check out" of a hotel. You just leave before checkout time. Do any hotel in the states still require a formal checkout?[/QUOTE]The nicer hotels check the mini bar and add that to your bill at check out, get you to sign for that and any pay per view porno or other views, and do a general look see of the room to make sure nothing was broken.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2693908]The nicer hotels check the mini bar and add that to your bill at check out, get you to sign for that and any pay per view porno or other views, and do a general look see of the room to make sure nothing was broken.[/QUOTE]Also at the nicer hotels you can use your TV to review your charges before you leave and go through a checkout that way. Just do it using the in-room TV and leave. And as you say, if you used the mini-bar or watched a pay-per-view or broke or took something you should not have, then the cost will be added to your final bill. I like being able to see what I've been charged before I leave the property without having to go to the front desk if I don't have to. That way, if something shows up on my credit card bill afterwards that I know darn well shouldn't be there (mini-bar charges for example), then I can confidently contest that charge if I want to.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2693908]The nicer hotels check the mini bar and add that to your bill at check out, get you to sign for that and any pay per view porno or other views, and do a general look see of the room to make sure nothing was broken.[/QUOTE]LOL, nope. If you used the mini bar, then you will see a charge for it a week or two later. Remember? You left your credit card information with the hotel so that they can charge you for incidentals. Seems like you still "voluntarily" do a formal face to face check out, when it is not necessary. Try just walking out next time. It works. Trust Steve and me. He and I, and millions of other Americans, do this in the states.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2693684]So today a girl I met on Seeking got married. And I'm going to declare a victory. What? Let me explain.

I met her three years ago early in my Seeking adventure. Not quite my type (rail thin) but cute enough. She'the just joined and we struck up a conversation. We really vibes well and eventually went over to text. Honestly it very quickly became a "friends" conversation and we just became pen pals more or less. (I've done this with two other girls).

Well it isn't long before we are quite comfortable behind our screens and start chatting about our sex lives and girls. She confesses that she's actually a lesbian and is only on Seeking for some money. And we continue to share stories about girls we are seeing or whatever. She says she's only tried sex with guys a couple times and it hurt and she hated it and that's how she knows she's a lesbian.

Well one night when very drunk she's with an old high school boyfriend. And they are really into each other but an attempted sex is very painful. But she really likes him. I ask her if she started on top or he did? She says he did. I say well I know some petite girls and they always start on top and kinda ease in over a minute or two but once the fit happens it works and she should try that..[/QUOTE]I agree with you mate, its an amazing platform and not only for sex. You meet interesting girls, your contributions give the urge for me to start writing again.

Cheers and Peace.

Keep writing buddy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2694091]LOL, nope. If you used the mini bar, then you will see a charge for it a week or two later. Remember? You left your credit card information with the hotel so that they can charge you for incidentals. Seems like you still "voluntarily" do a formal face to face check out, when it is not necessary. Try just walking out next time. It works. Trust Steve and me. He and I, and millions of other Americans, do this in the states.[/QUOTE]I noticed I got charged for overnight parking once when I left the night before and dropped the key in the box. I figured it was the girl since she'd parked in the garage but when I asked her she said she paid for herself. Got the charge reversed but it was a pain to have to call them.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2693692]After 2 years of so much fun,(Minus her Crazy Ass Mom), and probably my best friend, the model is AWOL. I get the occasional text, but not looking good at all. I thought we would remain friends, but who knows. Life goes on, that is why I always kept meeting other girls, I knew this would happen some day.

MTY is still great and having amazing sex with different girl every weekend, but I would have married her this one.

I met one of my regular girl last night and meeting another tonight. Also, the Venz, Doctor is coming to visit me in San Antonio next weekend. Life is good.

Looks like it is time to head back to CDMX, that is where I was so Happy. The girls on SA are just incredible in Mexico City.

Work had definitely slowed down, with the economy in the tank, so I am having to work a little harder, but no complaints, we are still killing it.[/QUOTE]CDMX.

A bilingual flight attendant I've been seeing likes the idea of a nice cabin in Colombia together. In July. THEN I read about CDMX and thinking should I consider bringing sand to the beach? And skip the cabin. Flights are easy. And I would like to see the city, museums etc.

DramaFree11 & JuanCarter seem to suggest there is a surplus of top girls available in CDMX. Mine would love the trip. And we like each other already. A lot, it's scary. We are so lucky to have these choices. Suggestions guys? Bring extra sand or no?

Finally got scammed. Girl asked for the money when we got in the room, I obliged and she ran when I was in the bathroom. I felt it was coming so I tried to chase after her but she started yelling so I stopped. She was the only girl who asked for money before anything happened and I should've known better. We had met in public first for coffee so wasn't straight to the hotel. When I said I wanted to do apple pay she said she wanted cash so I went to an ATM. Should I have called the police? I saw the car she left in and followed for a little but figured it wasn't worth it. She could've taken phone wallet and keys but just took the cash so I'm lucky.

Strong advice here. Do nothing. Walk away. Let it go.

Do you think if you got the police involved she'the say she stole your money and ran? There's a real risk here that she says you assaulted her, that she was running away from you for her safety. You're not dealing with a saint, clearly. You don't need this headache. Walk away and never look back. So far this has only cost you money.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2694513]Finally got scammed. Girl asked for the money when we got in the room, I obliged and she ran when I was in the bathroom. I felt it was coming so I tried to chase after her but she started yelling so I stopped. She was the only girl who asked for money before anything happened and I should've known better. We had met in public first for coffee so wasn't straight to the hotel. When I said I wanted to do apple pay she said she wanted cash so I went to an ATM. Should I have called the police? I saw the car she left in and followed for a little but figured it wasn't worth it. She could've taken phone wallet and keys but just took the cash so I'm lucky.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2694400]CDMX.

A bilingual flight attendant I've been seeing likes the idea of a nice cabin in Colombia together. In July. THEN I read about CDMX and thinking should I consider bringing sand to the beach? And skip the cabin. Flights are easy. And I would like to see the city, museums etc.

DramaFree11 & JuanCarter seem to suggest there is a surplus of top girls available in CDMX. Mine would love the trip. And we like each other already. A lot, it's scary. We are so lucky to have these choices. Suggestions guys? Bring extra sand or no?[/QUOTE]CDMX is a heaven for pussy mate: just need to be active on SA a week - 10 days prior as many girls have jobs, students, live on the outskirts of the city but the variety is immense and crazy.

I miss my covid lockdown in CDMX it was crazy.

Cheers.

Howdy folks,

I'm having a ball in Colombia with SA. It seems to work better here than any developed country I've tried. In that there's a big pool of attractive, college aged girls looking for financial support. I'm picking up Spanish quickly which helps.

The challenge is that I can't be here all year. I can safely spend 3 months max per country. I like what I'm seeing on SA in Brazil and Argentina. Question is what should country #4 be?

Easy answer would be Mexico but I have a hard time finding attractive girls there. Same with Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Peru and Ecuador.

I saw a few good options in Santiago, Chile. Uruguay and Paraguay also have the slim European types I like, but not too many of them seem to be on SA. What would you do?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2694515]Strong advice here. Do nothing. Walk away. Let it go.

Do you think if you got the police involved she'the say she stole your money and ran? There's a real risk here that she says you assaulted her, that she was running away from you for her safety. You're not dealing with a saint, clearly. You don't need this headache. Walk away and never look back. So far this has only cost you money.[/QUOTE]I agree and you're right. I'm just pretty shook by it and worried it will happen again. Maybe it's a sign to get off seeking. I'd just be paranoid the next time I went to a hotel with a girl, even if we'd met before.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2694400]CDMX.

A bilingual flight attendant I've been seeing likes the idea of a nice cabin in Colombia together. In July. THEN I read about CDMX and thinking should I consider bringing sand to the beach? And skip the cabin. Flights are easy. And I would like to see the city, museums etc.

DramaFree11 & JuanCarter seem to suggest there is a surplus of top girls available in CDMX. Mine would love the trip. And we like each other already. A lot, it's scary. We are so lucky to have these choices. Suggestions guys? Bring extra sand or no?[/QUOTE]You will love CDMX. By far my favorite destination.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2694400]CDMX.

A bilingual flight attendant I've been seeing likes the idea of a nice cabin in Colombia together. In July. THEN I read about CDMX and thinking should I consider bringing sand to the beach? And skip the cabin. Flights are easy. And I would like to see the city, museums etc.

DramaFree11 & JuanCarter seem to suggest there is a surplus of top girls available in CDMX. Mine would love the trip. And we like each other already. A lot, it's scary. We are so lucky to have these choices. Suggestions guys? Bring extra sand or no?[/QUOTE]Don, CDMX before Covid was just okay. After Covid hit and all these hotties lost their jobs, it was unreal and if DF says it is still great, you can take that to the bank.

That said, I would do both. The Mexican women want more than their Colombian counterparts, and CDMX has a vibrant escort scene with Twitter, street walkers, and I have used la boutique VIP with success too: [URL]https://www.laboutique.vip/calendario.php[/URL].

From a bang for the buck value, the escorts actually beat seeking. Post Covid though I was able to find the 10 types but only had as high as an 8 before. It was when I got a roster of hot SBs in Mexico that seeking ruled.

And you definitely want to go see the museums and the castle. They are unfuckingbelievable.

So my suggestion is you play the field the first part of your trip and then have your honey come in. An established SB is almost always going to be better than playing the field but I get that the lust for new pussy is so strong.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2694718]Howdy folks,

I'm having a ball in Colombia with SA. It seems to work better here than any developed country I've tried. In that there's a big pool of attractive, college aged girls looking for financial support. I'm picking up Spanish quickly which helps.

The challenge is that I can't be here all year. I can safely spend 3 months max per country. I like what I'm seeing on SA in Brazil and Argentina. Question is what should country #4 be?

Easy answer would be Mexico but I have a hard time finding attractive girls there. Same with Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Peru and Ecuador.

I saw a few good options in Santiago, Chile. Uruguay and Paraguay also have the slim European types I like, but not too many of them seem to be on SA. What would you do?[/QUOTE]Chile has ugly women. Uruguay is very close to Buenos Aires and the women in BA blow away what you see in Montevideo.

Most Argentina vets actually say the women in Paraguay are better than Argentines. One guy here said you fuck a Paraguayan and she then would clean your house. That rings true as so many maids for Argentines come from Paraguay and when I was there, they were paid $200 a month to be live in servants.

If you look at GDP per capita in South America, you see Paraguay is #3. Bolivia is #2 but again the women are not attractive there. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_American_countries_by_GDP_[/URL](nominal) _per_capita.

So the women of Paraguay are often attractive, good in bed, and hard workers. The downside of going there is Asuncion and Paraguay are kind of boring.

As far as the numbers on seeking go, I would not let that slow you down. I would be surprised if there were much resistance to any working girl wanting to hang out with you. And there are so many young people there and so few elderly that I would go up to virtually any young girl and proposition her. In the grocery store, they used hot women as billboards as these hotties would be in the aisles on roller skates wearing t-shirts hawking things like Frosted Flakes. Of course, said women were bored out of their mind.

And it would be nothing for there to be 50 hot Heineken girls strolling into a bar promoting that brand.

Performance wise, the only women better than Paraguayans were Brazilians.

Honestly, a lot of people hawk Venezuela as a land of beauties but I did not see that much when I was there. Paraguay was much, much better.

OMG. I'm supposed to be relaxing with a sea of girls to choose from but I'm stressing out juggling them. Kinda my own fault I suppose. I've kinda fallen in love (long distance) with this one girl and we vibes so well. But she's been hard to get ahold of of late and sometimes I'm double texting. She's been kinda non commital so really I should just move on. But I don't want to. So I set up some side pieces. Now we are literally 4 hours from her coming over and I'm not 100% sure we are on. I've got 2-3 other girls ready to meetup and kind stringing along and it's stressing me out!

I know I got to just fish or cut bait but I'm caught in limbo. Pretty soon I got to pull the trigger or I'm going to end up with Mr Hand as my date! I feel like one of those guys on reality TV who put eggs in several baskets and fuck them all up. Hahaha. Focus Steve Focus.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2694718]Howdy folks,

I'm having a ball in Colombia with SA. It seems to work better here than any developed country I've tried. In that there's a big pool of attractive, college aged girls looking for financial support. I'm picking up Spanish quickly which helps.

[/QUOTE]Agree with your assessment. I had a blast with the Colombian girls on SA the last time and there are a big pool of college girls. Heading to Colombia again next month with a fresh list of college girls to call up when I am there. With each visit, my Spanish improves ever slightly more.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2694513]Finally got scammed. Girl asked for the money when we got in the room, I obliged and she ran when I was in the bathroom. I felt it was coming so I tried to chase after her but she started yelling so I stopped. She was the only girl who asked for money before anything happened and I should've known better. We had met in public first for coffee so wasn't straight to the hotel. When I said I wanted to do apple pay she said she wanted cash so I went to an ATM. Should I have called the police? I saw the car she left in and followed for a little but figured it wasn't worth it. She could've taken phone wallet and keys but just took the cash so I'm lucky.[/QUOTE]There is always risk meeting a WG. Just like there is risk for the girl. You should at best pay 1/2 or walk when they ask to be paid in advance. You can show the money and agree on the amount, but there is no reason to hand it over. Chasing after the girl is really stupid. Are you going to assault her to get it back? At best it is a he said, she said. The police will side with the girl since that is the easiest thing for them to do--particularly for a foreigner. On the other hand, she could have planned this scam with others and they will be there to beat you up. Your radar should have warned you when you first met.

Don't blame the victim. We've all fallen prey to someone, somewhere. It happens.

The best thing to do is not let it over influence your experience in life. It happens. You sleep with dogs you sometimes get fleas.

Just move on. It's just money and a bad experience. There are so many good experiences that make it all worthwhile.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2694891]There is always risk meeting a WG. Just like there is risk for the girl. You should at best pay 1/2 or walk when they ask to be paid in advance. You can show the money and agree on the amount, but there is no reason to hand it over. Chasing after the girl is really stupid. Are you going to assault her to get it back? At best it is a he said, she said. The police will side with the girl since that is the easiest thing for them to do--particularly for a foreigner. On the other hand, she could have planned this scam with others and they will be there to beat you up. Your radar should have warned you when you first met.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2694745]I agree and you're right. I'm just pretty shook by it and worried it will happen again. Maybe it's a sign to get off seeking. I'd just be paranoid the next time I went to a hotel with a girl, even if we'd met before.[/QUOTE]Her running off with your money, while you were in the bathroom, is quite brazen. I remember one guy that got ripped off on SA, he was so mad at her that he made sure everyone knew she was a scammer. He created a new profile as an SB, but the entire profile was him warning all the SDs to stay away from the scammer's profile. You could also report her profile to the SA admiinstrators.

My buddy got scammed by a craigslist gal many years ago. She came to his room, asked for money up front, and then said that her friend was downstairs and would love to do a threesome, no extra charge. And so my dumb friend said okay, and let the gal go get her friend. It took over an hour before he realized that he was never seeing that gal ever again. I guess my point is that SA is not scam-free, just lilke nothing in this hobby is scam-free. For SA, I primarily just used it for GFE, so that helped minimize getting scammed. If there were times when I just wanted a pro, I would not use SA.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2695751]I guess my point is that SA is not scam-free.[/QUOTE]That's got to be the biggest understatement ever written in this thread. SA is [B]infested[/B] with fakes, flakes, fraudsters, and scammers. That's what ultimately drove me away from it.

The reality is in a situation like this, a girl running off is actually the best outcome. If she's showing up scheming to take your money, what's the better outcome? That you watch her like a hawk and she gives you a bad experience the whole time? Once it gets to that you end up writing a note on this forum saying you had an experience so bad you wish you had none at all.

These things happen. They suck, and they're part of life. Be thankful you're the one with the resources to be scammed, and you go back to your resource-filled life. The other party has to live with the fact her life is made up of creeping around bathrooms waiting to make a break for it. She didn't exactly get a free lunch here.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2695751]Her running off with your money, while you were in the bathroom, is quite brazen. I remember one guy that got ripped off on SA, he was so mad at her that he made sure everyone knew she was a scammer. He created a new profile as an SB, but the entire profile was him warning all the SDs to stay away from the scammer's profile. You could also report her profile to the SA admiinstrators.

My buddy got scammed by a craigslist gal many years ago. She came to his room, asked for money up front, and then said that her friend was downstairs and would love to do a threesome, no extra charge. And so my dumb friend said okay, and let the gal go get her friend. It took over an hour before he realized that he was never seeing that gal ever again. I guess my point is that SA is not scam-free, just lilke nothing in this hobby is scam-free. For SA, I primarily just used it for GFE, so that helped minimize getting scammed. If there were times when I just wanted a pro, I would not use SA.[/QUOTE]

I'm posting SA related details here in relevant form as cdmx forum is mainly for escort (though SA is just another medium for same activities, but I guess semantics are different to many. LOL). I'll post my cdmx link here to cross connect both as both make up for one trip worth of experience for me.

for rest of report, access it at : http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?433-D.-F.-Street-Scene&p=2696059&viewfull=1#post2696059

SA encounters:

I had almost dozen contacts which I lined up but lost half of them as I couldn't visit in April. Girls tend to block or move on if you cannot close the deal quickly so be aware of that. The one who stayed in contact were my scores.

Mariana:

A 23 yr old med student, living with parents and a gym bound talent. We did not talk about deed nor price and our conversation for almost month revolved around gym work, studies and building anticipation to meet.

I ubered her one evening and met at Starbucks. We opted to eat first and broke ice during dinner. After that, we walked a bit, got ice cream as desert and I invited her to apt. Once there, we did couch talk acting like first date slowly increasing body touches and eventually started DFK. I slowly undressed her and saw the perfect gym toned body with a nice ass to grab to. She's about 5'3", 120 lbs and a be cup original. No crazy ink on body nor piercing.

I took her to bed and then we went on for about 3 hrs until mid night. I went to town on DATY which was well received. We were too charged up by end of it that I just put cover and went on. A true passionate GFE still round with ending inside her (in cover).

Then we continued DFK, talked about cdmx living, weather and continued cuddling. 2nd round started with BJ (which she wanted covered a bit downer surprise) but I let her do that and then cowgirl and doggie to finish in.

3rd round was even more intimate; so much that she was 'ready' to go bareback. I tested water but did'nt opt for it (I was tempted to remind her about her hesitancy to not even suck w / o cover 45 min ago but didn't rub it on 😊).

By end of 3rd round, we two were too exhausted that just stayed in bed for 10-15 more minutes laying still. I was building to keep her for night but her mother cockblocked and I had to call her Uber.

We decided to meet up again on Saturday but I was not able to fit her in schedule so she's a repeat for next month.

Total damage 2. 5 k plus food and uber cost. We are in touch for next month visit and she sent me bunch of picture trying out clothes which she bought with money I gave!

Jazmin:

A 22 year old nursing student living with her mother; a true Flaca spinner body and we talked about meeting for lunch (no upfront pricing discussion). She's about 5'5", 110 lbs and a be cup w / pointy nipples.

I ubered her from her Uni directly to my apartment. We opted to ubereat sushi and talked about her studies and family etc. Since she has to go back in 3 hrs, I started w / DFK while waiting for food and strip her naked right away. Her nips were very sensitive so couldn't suck / manhandle them all (turned out to be lactating due to 2 yr baby. I wanted to go pvery mode and had her spray some on my chest but she was too embarrassed to do so) but made it up in DATY. A BBBJ was followed with partial CIM as she couldn't take all the load in mouth.

We cleaned up and food arrived right after so went thru it and then back to bed for round#1. She is petite and couldn't take full length so I had her ride instead and control the pace. I ended up in sideway position as it creates a good angle to hit her spot and make her moan uncontrollably. Ended in cover and took a breather / beer break while chatting more. I tried to talk her in to anal but was a no-go.

Round#2 was full on doggie pound, I could tell that it was bit too intense for her but I went on as she was keep flattening to her stomach with each thrust so I ended up riding her on her back and finish that way. Get her cleaned and got her uber for home back. I will keep her as back up for next trip based on overall experience. Total damage is 2 k+cost of food + uber.

Veronica:

She was highlight of my trip. A 25 yr old college grad, working in digital marketing for some freelance as well as part time modeling.

We were in touch for few weeks; causal chat with no mention of act or $$. She played just a date card till end and when clothes came off, a true gem came out.

She agreed to meet for dinner; was interested in knowing which restaurant I'm taking, and I could sense that she was looking to get wined / dined at $$ place. I met her at a seafood restaurant (good upscale location). She was about 5'6", flawless skin / body with a good see size on a slim waste with proportionate ass. She came in a crop top and tight jeans covered by a see-through cardigan.

We started talking and surprisingly she could speak decent English (& wanted to practice) so I switched to native tongue along with my Spanglish mode. We spent about 90 min in restaurant, she opted for top $$ mixed cocktail and food but I let her do that as she was fun company. After dinner, it started pouring and I made her walk so she was practically climbing on my back while we walked in Polanco. We went to Carajillo for drinks (her choice) but place was packfed so ended up in a ice cream parlor. We spent about 45 min there and her mother started to call. It was about 3 hrs being together by then and she was not sure about going to apt but I sweet talked her and we went to my apt.

In apt, we did some chit chat, still a lot of mixed flags so I didn't make the move. She got some msg about hand modeling gig so I helped her taking some pictures, some touchy feely act and got her comfortable so made my move and started DFK. She responded very well to it and off goes clothes. The body was near perfect. All original, no gym and yet toned like hell. I went on for DATY and got her huffin / puffin and warmed up to point where she just wanted to get on and ride. I tested water w / o cover but didn't push much (I am NOT into BB it so it was just a tease) so went on with cover and went hard and fast. I had to stop in between few times to pace myself and at times it was like I'm wrangling an alligator in bed as when she get close to edge with pounding, she withered like fish out of water where I'm trying to keep her locked under me so it was fun and watch her face go thru 50 shades of grey mode.

It went on about 20-25 min and finally finished in cover. I wanted to go for round 2 but it was around 11 p and her phone was being blown up by madre so had to get her uber. She is my number 1 repeat when I'm back again in city.

Total damage is about 2. 5 k+food+uber and well worth it.

Melanie:

This was my most 'unusual' encounter; A true 5 ft petite, be cup, less than 95 lbs chic who is semi-pro actor / singer / stage production worker. We chatted for weeks and I could tell she is new to act. I offered to meet at dinner and we went through several rescheduling but I got her finally Sat late afternoon for food / drinks. We met in Polanco (she was coming from a production she is working in); cute shorts, top and light jacket.

Surprisingly, she spoke near perfect English beside Spanish and very well aware of pretty much every topic we spoke on. We spent about 90 min in restaurant. She met few before me but no sex (which I really don't buy when a girl tells that).

It took me another 30 min to get her to apt and another 30 min to started DFK. As soon as it started, she was blushed beyond red cherry and nervous as hell. I pulled back and ask if she's ok! Again, according to her, she never had 1 night stand or casual encounter, always in committed relationship so she was going through mixed emotions. I continue to chat and got her mellowed down (even smoke a Cigg with her to calm her nerve down on balcony,. LOL).

We went back to sofa and she couldn't figure out what to do so I grabbed her hand and took her to bed, slowly stripped her and dived to DATY the a fully shaved and picture-perfect pussy. Took about 20 min to get her loosened and dripping. I was seriously contemplating if I should even try fu**in her as she felt soo tight and almost felt like borderline virgin. Her boobs were marvelous (small but absolutely amazing not a single stretch mark or tattoo on body).

I then came up for some more DFK and to work on rest of action but she got too anxious for going all the way in 'first meeting' and started having 2nd thoughts (mind it -she's full naked in my bed with me on top of her).

I opted not to go further and told her that we can continue doing it next month if she still wants to meet up. She stayed in bed with me for next 30 minutes; we talked about past sexual encounters, some light fun stuff, sexual fantasies, usual post sex chat etc.

She was very apologetic, didn't expected or asked a single $ and wanted to meet me next time so she can have some time to adjust to idea of having sb / sd lifestyle kinda thing.

I gave her some money (which she was very surprised to take but utterly thankful) and got her uber back. She messaged me several times during next few days sharing her daily life details, etc etc and I'll see her in next trip to experience how that tight P**why feels on my the**k!! Can't wait!

Total damage: 1 k+food+uber.

Overall, CDMX proven to be treasure cove and I reckon near endless supply to tap to in next many months! Thanks to all who shared their experience and insight as it helped lay the game plan for effective execution.

Till next time!! Adios.

Seeking remains an amazing series of highs and lows -- for me the highs massively outweighing the lows, but I experienced both recently.

Low -- Leya, who is the aspiring model / actress that I was having a tough time pinning down on a date, ends up being THREE HOURS late to our date. Fortunately I was pretty much napping the whole time and she was really determined to see me. She shows up at 11:45 PM!

High -- Leya is drop dead gorgeous and a bubbly chatty fountain of energy. She comes straight to my room and we end up chatting for two hours nonstop (well mostly her, LOL). We had planned to order room service but totally forgot! We nearly kill a 5th of vodka and it is lit and off the hook. The sex is hot and heavy and amazing. She wants to daddy daughter role play and its fucking filthy and fun as fuck! She stays for about 5 hours and two rounds and then Uber's home.

High -- Alexa who I met in 2019 and then flew to Miami in 2020 is up next. And what an amazing little latina pocket rocket. She actually an amazing person as well and we have a companionable dinner where I play the dad role and coach her on various aspects of her life. Back in the room, its no more dad and all BFGF. We truly adore each other (no role play here! End up killing two bottles of wine, multiple mini-cigars. Amazing sweet bareback sex for 3 hours (drunk as fuck and don’t cum until 3:30 AM!) with various short breaks for wine and cigars. Literally did 69 for over a half hour non-stop -- my tongue is still sore. Unbelieveable night and she sleeps over.

Low -- I advance Leya a pretty big chunk of money against our date the following day. I say never do this and the few times I have I am always burned. And here we are again. She gets called to LA and our meet is off. But she's already spent the money. And we get into a tiff and more or less part ways.

High. Alexa is coming over again tonight and cooking me dinner which she is bringing to the hotel. We will have dinner in the room and she'll stay over. Damn, try getting some hooker to cook you dinner! True BFGF.

High (maybe) -- I accidentally butt dial (no joke) Leya which results in reconnecting. She sends me videos of her getting her make up done and primping for the camera with a fellow actress. And I think -- damn I fucked the life out of that amazing goddess just the other night! The timestamps show definitely early this AM, presumably in LA. So its not all a big made up story. But the money asks seem like they may be infinite, so maybe this is a low afterall. LOL.

And more no doubt to come. Highs and lows. Def the highs are totally worth the lows. Like even if Im out the Leya cash advance our meetup was priceless. Totally would do it again!

Hey Steve9696,

I just saw your post from 6 weeks ago about your Buenos Aires adventures. I decided to check out the Seeking line-up there and I was suitably impressed. Looks much more target rich than my local scene.

You may have found the answer to a question I have had for years: where did all those hot chicas from Black / Madahos go after those clubs shut down? They're on Seeking now! Makes perfect sense.

Interested to hear how you viewed the scene there compared to the US, how much time you had to invest and what you paid etc. I know the city reasonably well and love it but compared to Brasil or Colombia it is not what it once was for the foreign monger.

In fact, I would love to hear your opinion about the best non-US Seeking scene.

Thanks for all you contribute brother.

Hb.

So the damage you mentioned was all USD?

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2696056]I'm posting SA related details here in relevant form as cdmx forum is mainly for escort (though SA is just

A 22 year old nursing student living with her mother; a true Flaca spinner body and we talked about meeting for lunch (no upfront pricing discussion). She's about 5'5", 110 lbs and a be cup w / pointy nipples.

I ubered her from her Uni directly to my apartment. We opted to ubereat sushi and talked about her studies and family etc. Since she has to go back in 3 hrs, I started w / DFK while waiting for food and strip her naked right away. Her nips were very sensitive so couldn't suck / manhandle them all (turned out to be lactating due to 2 yr baby. I wanted to go pvery mode and had her spray some on my chest but she was too embarrassed to do so) but made it up in DATY. A BBBJ was followed with partial CIM as she couldn't take all the load in mouth.

We cleaned up and food arrived right after so went thru it and then back to bed for round#1. She is petite and couldn't take full length so I had her ride instead and control the pace. I ended up in sideway position as it creates a good angle to hit her spot and make her moan uncontrollably. Ended in cover and took a breather / beer break while chatting more. I tried to talk her in to anal but was a no-go.

Round#2 was full on doggie pound, I could tell that it was bit too intense for her but I went on as she was keep flattening to her stomach with each thrust so I ended up riding her on her back and finish that way. Get her cleaned and got her uber for home back. I will keep her as back up for next trip based on overall experience. Total damage is 2 k+cost of food + uber...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2696056]I'm posting SA related details here in relevant form as cdmx forum is mainly for escort (though SA is just another medium for same activities, but I guess semantics are different to many. LOL). I'll post my cdmx link here to cross connect both as both make up for one trip worth of experience for me.

Overall, CDMX proven to be treasure cove and I reckon near endless supply to tap to in next many months! Thanks to all who shared their experience and insight as it helped lay the game plan for effective execution.

Till next time!! Adios.[/QUOTE]Amazing write up mate, reminds me of my time in CDMX during Covid, I was at the Intercontinental Santa Fe and had a blast with SA girls. Absolutely Green Hotel with office lift at the ground floor so the girl comes up directly to the room no need to register at the reception.

Went to Polanco with a few of the repeat SA girls as they wanted to get wined and dined in the few restaurants and clubs that were open during Covid.

There was a Restaurant / Bar in Polanco which had a Club after party place in Santa Fe and we had fun during those covid lockdown nights.

CDMX is crazy SA heaven just you need to start preparing 10-15 days in advance for these working girls as they have jobs, classes and other family things.

Cheers Mate.

Keep writing makes me have amazing memories.

Ciao.

Disfruta.

[QUOTE=Virgin40;2696230]So the damage you mentioned was all USD?[/QUOTE]F**k NO! Its all pesos mate!

I am a long time user of SA and have had great success with it. I was recently suspended and subsequent accounts that I have created have all been suspended despite changing what I thought was key information.

Anyone know what criteria seeking is using to implement new suspensions? I am traveling to CDMX and know I'll need SA there. Please advise.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2696161]Hey Steve9696,

I just saw your post from 6 weeks ago about your Buenos Aires adventures. I decided to check out the Seeking line-up there and I was suitably impressed. Looks much more target rich than my local scene.

You may have found the answer to a question I have had for years: where did all those hot chicas from Black / Madahos go after those clubs shut down? They're on Seeking now! Makes perfect sense.

Interested to hear how you viewed the scene there compared to the US, how much time you had to invest and what you paid etc. I know the city reasonably well and love it but compared to Brasil or Colombia it is not what it once was for the foreign monger.

In fact, I would love to hear your opinion about the best non-US Seeking scene.

Thanks for all you contribute brother.

Hb.[/QUOTE]I can't comment too much on worldwide SA scene. Except to say I *think* it's most useful where prostitution is patently illegal like the US and Argentina. I would guess therefore it might be hot in China right now because they are cracking down hard on in person venues.

As far as Baires (noticed a couple girls use that shorthand) I did find it to be great based on a few datapoints. I prob had 6 girls in various states of text over a couple weeks. A couple spoke excellent English even. And I had two great dates with two different girls. $200 USD seems about right. And they want $$ not pesos it seems so make sure you have USD with you.

Another tip is the UBer in Baires is worst I've seen. They will text you after accepting the ride and if you refuse to pay in cash they will cancel you. I found it worth paying Uber black as they were more reliable. Or you could just pay cash I suppose. But it was frustrating si be prepared.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2696481]I can't comment too much on worldwide SA scene. Except to say I *think* it's most useful where prostitution is patently illegal like the US and Argentina.[/QUOTE]Where did you get that prostitution is "patently illegal" in Argentina? It is not. And if it was, then I never would have mongered there, as I indeed have: [URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal[/URL].

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;2696424]I am a long time user of SA and have had great success with it. I was recently suspended and subsequent accounts that I have created have all been suspended despite changing what I thought was key information.

Anyone know what criteria seeking is using to implement new suspensions? I am traveling to CDMX and know I'll need SA there. Please advise.[/QUOTE]Do you use a VPN?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2696489]Where did you get that prostitution is "patently illegal" in Argentina? It is not. And if it was, then I never would have mongered there, as I indeed have: [URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal[/URL].[/QUOTE]It's not like I looked it up. Should have just said “I could not find good alternatives to SA in recent years”. And have had gems on SA in Baires.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2696233]Amazing write up mate, reminds me of my time in CDMX during Covid, I was at the Intercontinental Santa Fe and had a blast with SA girls. Absolutely Green Hotel with office lift at the ground floor so the girl comes up directly to the room no need to register at the reception.

Went to Polanco with a few of the repeat SA girls as they wanted to get wined and dined in the few restaurants and clubs that were open during Covid.

There was a Restaurant / Bar in Polanco which had a Club after party place in Santa Fe and we had fun during those covid lockdown nights.

CDMX is crazy SA heaven just you need to start preparing 10-15 days in advance for these working girls as they have jobs, classes and other family things.[/QUOTE]I had the same experience in CDMX. Love the city, besides traffic there is really nothing to complain about. So much fun and beautiful girls everywhere, amazing food and even better service.

Ah yes, the joys of the Argentine economy. You learn quickly to a US and Argentina. You quickly learn to avoid transacting, as much as possible, at the official tasa blanco. That means no cards or cash apps. The tasa azul rate you get on the street is about 75% better. My bet is 200 US is a lot of money even for more middle class girls. That's 40 k pesos at the blue rate. Crazy.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2696481]$200 USD seems about right. And they want $$ not pesos it seems so make sure you have USD with you.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;2696424]I am a long time user of SA and have had great success with it. I was recently suspended and subsequent accounts that I have created have all been suspended despite changing what I thought was key information.

Anyone know what criteria seeking is using to implement new suspensions? I am traveling to CDMX and know I'll need SA there. Please advise.[/QUOTE]They use your location filter (GPS) any IP address, computer, or phone #, any previous photos, any previous account names. Probably not all of that but they can. Change your messaging text also. Never mention $ or "friends with benefits" etc. They are being conservative so as not to be banned themselves. Good luck in cdmx. I will be there this summer.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2696557]Ah yes, the joys of the Argentine economy. You learn quickly to a US and Argentina. You quickly learn to avoid transacting, as much as possible, at the official tasa blanco. That means no cards or cash apps. The tasa azul rate you get on the street is about 75% better. My bet is 200 US is a lot of money even for more middle class girls. That's 40 k pesos at the blue rate. Crazy..[/QUOTE]Exactly. They lose value the minute they accept Argentine Pesos at the official exchange rate.

I'm guessing it's also hard for everyday Argentines to accumulate dollars or euros. Dollars under the proverbial mattress are their hedge from a falling peso. SA girls meeting up with foreigners can likely accumulate a small nest egg.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2695930]The reality is in a situation like this, a girl running off is actually the best outcome. If she's showing up scheming to take your money, what's the better outcome? That you watch her like a hawk and she gives you a bad experience the whole time? Once it gets to that you end up writing a note on this forum saying you had an experience so bad you wish you had none at all.

These things happen. They suck, and they're part of life. Be thankful you're the one with the resources to be scammed, and you go back to your resource-filled life. The other party has to live with the fact her life is made up of creeping around bathrooms waiting to make a break for it. She didn't exactly get a free lunch here.[/QUOTE]I agree with you and it could've been worse since she didn't take wallet / phone / keys. Think I'm going to take a break from SA for awhile though. Scammed last weekend then got stood up today for what was supposed to be a first date. Would you say most of you guys have pretty good game with women? Sounds like Steve does. Been wondering if that's my problem since my game sucks for the most part.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2696667]Exactly. They lose value the minute they accept Argentine Pesos at the official exchange rate.

I'm guessing it's also hard for everyday Argentines to accumulate dollars or euros. Dollars under the proverbial mattress are their hedge from a falling peso. SA girls meeting up with foreigners can likely accumulate a small nest egg.[/QUOTE]It does not depreciate that much short term for a few months if there is no event. But the fluctuation daily can be up to 5% based on my experience. Most will accept pesos, and they even round up the number so it can be a few hundred pesos cheaper. It's just you have to carry a lot of bills with you.

I did not contact any SA girls there. The main reason is I only look at the new ones. There are some but not that many so I did not try it.

Argentina is the only country I have been in where you need to discuss HOW a transaction will take place (pesos, how to handle import / export controls) before you discuss the WHAT (goods, quality, price). People complain about Brasil but it's a functional economy compared to Argentina.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2696667]Exactly. They lose value the minute they accept Argentine Pesos at the official exchange rate.

I'm guessing it's also hard for everyday Argentines to accumulate dollars or euros. Dollars under the proverbial mattress are their hedge from a falling peso. SA girls meeting up with foreigners can likely accumulate a small nest egg.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2696994]Argentina is the only country I have been in where you need to discuss HOW a transaction will take place (pesos, how to handle import / export controls) before you discuss the WHAT (goods, quality, price). People complain about Brasil but it's a functional economy compared to Argentina..[/QUOTE]Brazil put on its big boy pants in the mid-90's and ridded themselves of hyperinflation. The funny thing was the Brazilians and their businesses were much adept at managing through hyperinflation than the Argentines ever were.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2697008]Brazil put on its big boy pants in the mid-90's and ridded themselves of hyperinflation. The funny thing was the Brazilians and their businesses were much adept at managing through hyperinflation than the Argentines ever were.[/QUOTE]I have a friend whose relatives lost their life savings (twice) due to devaluations of the real. So maybe the Brazilians put on their big boy pants to manage their economy. But, a lot of people got hurt and lost the shirts on their backs because of that too.

Where did you stay? Did the girls give you their price and if so when or did you just give them what you wanted?

Even tho finding great girls is painful, it is totally worth it for me. Because once I get the date and we seal the deal and head to the room I've had very few girls I was unhappy with. At a minimum I'd repeat. Some Id repeat a lot. LOL. Here's a quick tally.

I think I've bedded 37 SA girls. Of these only 2 were truly disappointing. One was a straight up hooker easy to tell before the date but she was lazy in bed. Too tired to cowgirl. I mean WTF? One was ok / awkward on the first date and had to convince her to BJ no condom. Second date she showed up in sweats, hair not done, and insisted CBJ. Done. And then there was of course Valentina who jilted me in London after flying her there. So she was a home run win followed by a devastating loss. Gonna put her in the loss column for completeness but I'd do it all over again.

And that leaves 34 (92%!) that I'd repeat with! Of the 34,26 were one or two time wonders. Only circumstances (haven't been back or found someone better) prevent repeating. 5 I did 4+ times. And 3 are regs I've hit 10 or more times.

To me this is just AMAZING. Totally worth any logistical pain. I am not sure if I am more successful than most. Just this is what I've experienced.

Same. I've had a few bad experiences. But mostly they were amazing. What was best was how they differ from escorts. With escorts it's clearly a transaction. They show up for an amount of time, and they are leaving at a specific time. It's a job. With sa, you are having dinner and a conversation. You are bedding someone who wasn't in bed with another guy 2 hours ago. You're kind of both getting away with something. This is her secret side hustle, and you're bedding a girl half your age who you'the otherwise never be able to do. This is win win.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2697053]Even tho finding great girls is painful, it is totally worth it for me. Because once I get the date and we seal the deal and head to the room I've had very few girls I was unhappy with. At a minimum I'd repeat. Some Id repeat a lot. LOL. Here's a quick tally.

I think I've bedded 37 SA girls. Of these only 2 were truly disappointing. One was a straight up hooker easy to tell before the date but she was lazy in bed. Too tired to cowgirl. I mean WTF? One was ok / awkward on the first date and had to convince her to BJ no condom. Second date she showed up in sweats, hair not done, and insisted CBJ. Done. And then there was of course Valentina who jilted me in London after flying her there. So she was a home run win followed by a devastating loss. Gonna put her in the loss column for completeness but I'd do it all over again.

And that leaves 34 (92%!) that I'd repeat with! Of the 34,26 were one or two time wonders. Only circumstances (haven't been back or found someone better) prevent repeating. 5 I did 4+ times. And 3 are regs I've hit 10 or more times.

To me this is just AMAZING. Totally worth any logistical pain. I am not sure if I am more successful than most. Just this is what I've experienced.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2697037]Where did you stay? Did the girls give you their price and if so when or did you just give them what you wanted?[/QUOTE]I stayed in an airbnb in Polanco, near Liverpool dept store.

The SA I scored did not gave their prices nor any $ was discussed upfront. This is not usual though as more than 50% want to negotiate upfront in my experience.

Then, there were few which only wanted to meet up on dinner date and I usually play that way anyway to weed out obvious dudd's. The one I discussed price upfront flunked out few days before meeting and few were outrageous quoting 5 or 6 k pesos which I won't / don't pay.

I usually pay based on session length, quality and act as well as what I spend on their food, transportation etc so not a fixed amount formula!

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2697107]Same. I've had a few bad experiences. But mostly they were amazing. What was best was how they differ from escorts. With escorts it's clearly a transaction. They show up for an amount of time, and they are leaving at a specific time. It's a job. With sa, you are having dinner and a conversation. You are bedding someone who wasn't in bed with another guy 2 hours ago. You're kind of both getting away with something. This is her secret side hustle, and you're bedding a girl half your age who you'the otherwise never be able to do. This is win win.[/QUOTE]Do you guys always do dinner and hotel? I haven't been able to find a girl that wants to sugar date regularly, only ones that are more fwb. I thought I didn't mind but it feels too transactional. One girl stayed barely an hour and I felt the ppm wasn't worth it.

The trouble with Seeking is it can ruin other forms of commercial sex for you.

Getting on for two weeks now of drowning myself in Filipina pussy and all I can think about is my totally wild, crazy SB back in the UK.

If she had the capacity to deal with the travel (she's a totally sweet girl with bad anxiety issues), she'd totally be down to fly out here and join me. She knows exactly where I am and what I'm up to. And mostly, she's just jealous of the girls I'm getting and she's not.

We had a little chat the other day and she updated me on her adventures. She's still only seeing one other sugar daddy (supposedly exclusive, but she met me again after that arrangement.) Still exploring her kinky side with a group of very kinky friends. And still utterly lovely.

Absolute unicorn. I'll never find a girl like this again.

Hopefully I can see her a few times when I'm back from my travels. She is literally up for seeing me in any capacity I want.

I still see her crashing and burning, changing, not being the person I have such fond memories of. Maybe it will be different when I see her again.

Maybe not though.

Arrrgh! I wish I was the guy I pretend to be on Seeking. Loaded, living and working in the UK and with the finances and work situation just to chain her up in my place (she'd love it.).

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697189]Do you guys always do dinner and hotel? I haven't been able to find a girl that wants to sugar date regularly, only ones that are more fwb. I thought I didn't mind but it feels too transactional. One girl stayed barely an hour and I felt the ppm wasn't worth it.[/QUOTE]For me I found that always going to dinner is the ticket. I only tried a coffee date once and it was a fail. I tried several lunch dates that didn't work out early on. Other than one ice cream date that scored a regular (fairly pro girl) it's only dinner dates that work for me. You get a chance to become comfortable which is truly important for the non pros. I had two straight to room semi pros — but even they wanted to chat my ear off for two hours before getting down. Recently Leya even called me out for a quick watch check (1:30 AM!) saying too many guys just want to jump in the sack and she needs to be comfortable first.

So I think dinner definitely works to my advantage and always take dinner momentum to the bedroom.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2697248]The trouble with Seeking is it can ruin other forms of commercial sex for you.

Getting on for two weeks now of drowning myself in Filipina pussy and all I can think about is my totally wild, crazy SB back in the UK.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is funny. I told other guys that SB sex was better than ho sex, and the ones who have not gotten a SB all are like, "How do you know that? You are not in the room when I have sex. You are weird" but every guy who has done the SB thing knows good SB sex is way way better than good ho sex. If you find a loyal horny one who falls for you, it is even better still, but those are hard to come by.

But JJ, why not try using seeking in the Philippines? I see a lot of hotties on there, and the Asian girls with their long term focus seems to be what we are looking for.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697189]Do you guys always do dinner and hotel? I haven't been able to find a girl that wants to sugar date regularly, only ones that are more fwb. I thought I didn't mind but it feels too transactional. One girl stayed barely an hour and I felt the ppm wasn't worth it.[/QUOTE]Always. Though not because I must. Because I enjoy it more. The alternative is eating alone and waiting for the hour the escort shows up. More fun to have a companion. And I would guess it's better for the girl to not be treated like an escort. I always do really nice restaurants. The kind they prob can't afford. Because I assume it greases the skids.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2697406]Always. Though not because I must. Because I enjoy it more. The alternative is eating alone and waiting for the hour the escort shows up. More fun to have a companion. And I would guess it's better for the girl to not be treated like an escort. I always do really nice restaurants. The kind they prob can't afford. Because I assume it greases the skids.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. Have you run into any girls that are just there for the expensive meal though? I was talking to one girl that expected fancy meals every date and I felt like she'd order the most expensive thing probably.

Do you avoid girls that want to meet at a hotel?

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697479]That makes sense. Have you run into any girls that are just there for the expensive meal though? I was talking to one girl that expected fancy meals every date and I felt like she'd order the most expensive thing probably.

Do you avoid girls that want to meet at a hotel?[/QUOTE]I've only had a couple experiences in the US, many more in Colombia and Panama. For Colombia and Panama I would say 4/5's are straight up P4 P and it's not worth dinner unless you speak fluent Spanish or want practice. In lieu of dinner, I usually try to do at least a drink to loosen them up and start some chemistry as the sex tends to be better that way. Many girls will be open to coming straight to your hotel and in that case I usually have some drinks available and something for music (I. E. Bluetooth speaker, some reggaeton). Offer room service if she wants it. If I'm unsure of the girls looks I always try to do a video call before. I had this happen recently with a girl in Colombia where she had put on a legitimate 30 lbs since her photos were taken and the photos were heavily photo-shopped as well. The hilarious thing is that she kept asking me for real photos, and I was like, look at my profile (there are 8-9 real photos). And then of course her photos are the fake ones LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2697382]Yeah, it is funny. I told other guys that SB sex was better than ho sex, and the ones who have not gotten a SB all are like, "How do you know that? You are not in the room when I have sex. You are weird" but every guy who has done the SB thing knows good SB sex is way way better than good ho sex. If you find a loyal horny one who falls for you, it is even better still, but those are hard to come by.

But JJ, why not try using seeking in the Philippines? I see a lot of hotties on there, and the Asian girls with their long term focus seems to be what we are looking for.[/QUOTE]Agree with this. The SB sex has always been much more GFE and vast majority want to do BBFS, multiple pops, CIM, etc. The girls also seem much more turned on, or better at faking it. I guess it's the money they know we have? (LOL the best aphrodisiac for women! I usually do covered the first time with a girl and then decide from there.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2697349]For me I found that always going to dinner is the ticket. I only tried a coffee date once and it was a fail. I tried several lunch dates that didn't work out early on. Other than one ice cream date that scored a regular (fairly pro girl) it's only dinner dates that work for me. You get a chance to become comfortable which is truly important for the non pros. I had two straight to room semi pros but even they wanted to chat my ear off for two hours before getting down. Recently Leya even called me out for a quick watch check (1:30 AM!) saying too many guys just want to jump in the sack and she needs to be comfortable first.

So I think dinner definitely works to my advantage and always take dinner momentum to the bedroom.[/QUOTE]As usual you are correct. Avoid day dates, big waste of time and resources. Maybe on the weekends.

There's a girl I'm going to see tomorrow that said she can't do dinner because she has an event but is happy to just come.

Over to my Airbnb instead. Honestly kind of turned me off. Made me see her as an escort.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697479]That makes sense. Have you run into any girls that are just there for the expensive meal though? I was talking to one girl that expected fancy meals every date and I felt like she'd order the most expensive thing probably.

Do you avoid girls that want to meet at a hotel?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2697491]I've only had a couple experiences in the US, many more in Colombia and Panama. For Colombia and Panama I would say 4/5's are straight up P4 P and it's not worth dinner unless you speak fluent Spanish or want practice. In lieu of dinner, I usually try to do at least a drink to loosen them up and start some chemistry as the sex tends to be better that way. Many girls will be open to coming straight to your hotel and in that case I usually have some drinks available and something for music (I. E. Bluetooth speaker, some reggaeton). Offer room service if she wants it. If I'm unsure of the girls looks I always try to do a video call before. I had this happen recently with a girl in Colombia where she had put on a legitimate 30 lbs since her photos were taken and the photos were heavily photo-shopped as well. The hilarious thing is that she kept asking me for real photos, and I was like, look at my profile (there are 8-9 real photos). And then of course her photos are the fake ones LOL.[/QUOTE]The last girl I met at a hotel for the first time was basically a catfish. Looked nothing like her pics and was straight up p4 p. Got dressed as soon as I was done. I'm not meeting at a hotel first anymore.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697579]The last girl I met at a hotel for the first time was basically a catfish. Looked nothing like her pics and was straight up p4 p. Got dressed as soon as I was done. I'm not meeting at a hotel first anymore.[/QUOTE]But I bet you felt it in the text interaction and just hoped for the best. You can def feel the hooker vibe. Quick to PPM chat, not willing to chat deeply for a couple weeks, doesn't ask for pics.

Not that this is common but two of my best dates ever were "straight to room" but def not a hooker vibe at all. They were both relatively known in their town. Sorta party girl socialites. Both wanted to chat EXTENSIVELY before gettting down to business. (2 hrs of a 5 HR visit). And before someone says they were hookers. Puleez. No hooker with 9 looks is spending 5 hours with you for $400-500 all in.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2697652]But I bet you felt it in the text interaction and just hoped for the best. You can def feel the hooker vibe. Quick to PPM chat, not willing to chat deeply for a couple weeks, doesn't ask for pics.

Not that this is common but two of my best dates ever were "straight to room" but def not a hooker vibe at all. They were both relatively known in their town. Sorta party girl socialites. Both wanted to chat EXTENSIVELY before gettting down to business. (2 hrs of a 5 HR visit). And before someone says they were hookers. Puleez. No hooker with 9 looks is spending 5 hours with you for $400-500 all in.[/QUOTE]You chat with them for a couple of weeks before a date? Maybe I'm doing it wrong then. I started out trying to follow your guide but would get asked what I was looking for and what my ppm was so I started asking earlier to screen out the ones that wanted a lot. I also noticed when I ask them about gifts they don't seem to get the hint and I've been asked for gift cards before on top of ppm.

I hit her up saying I was in town for the weekend and she was ok with ppm. She did ask for pics though. I met up with other girls when I was traveling before but met in public first. I also met a girl at a hotel close to home for the first meet and she looked like her photos. She was on onlyfans though so kind of half a sex worker.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697790]You chat with them for a couple of weeks before a date? Maybe I'm doing it wrong then. I started out trying to follow your guide but would get asked what I was looking for and what my ppm was so I started asking earlier to screen out the ones that wanted a lot. I also noticed when I ask them about gifts they don't seem to get the hint and I've been asked for gift cards before on top of ppm.

I hit her up saying I was in town for the weekend and she was ok with ppm. She did ask for pics though. I met up with other girls when I was traveling before but met in public first. I also met a girl at a hotel close to home for the first meet and she looked like her photos. She was on onlyfans though so kind of half a sex worker.[/QUOTE]I don't know that it's for everyone but yes I like to chat a couple weeks before meetup. We usually first talk if they prefer red or white Italian or Asian. A real vibey chatty girl we'll chat about what we are binging on Netflix. I swear to god I never would have landed Leya if we hadn't clicked on the reality shows we both like. Another girl and I got hooked up about books because she said she like to read and I recommended something and she bought it on Amazon next day. I love this kinda "friends" before meetup thing (and often continue after). Alexa and I chatted about her small business or her new apt for like a year after meeting and really established the trust for her to fly 3000 miles to see me).

A couple weeks is about right but I've done as much as 8 weeks of chat with some of my best girls (and one memorable sex fail! I think it also helps screen. Because they are only going to chat deep if they like you and are not a pro. So that ends up being good.

I always try to establish the PPM before meetup but that is usually several days or a week into chat. And don't call it PPM! Unless she does first. I have a new patter that is working well because it sort of makes them self qualify and also makes clear I am not a local and sex is on the table. It Goes something like this:

I'm coming to town in a few weeks and looking for an amazing girl for awesome nights out (and in! Bubbly chatty affectionate. Any of that sound like you?

Notice the "and in" puts sex immediately on the table without being rude. You can sub your own attributes but I thought about girls I like best and other than "loves to kiss" those are the keys. And the "any of that sound like you" is both an open question that tends to get a response and they are qualifying for ur offer by saying "yes I am your type of girl". So win win there.

Hope this helps. What PPM are you offering in what geography roughly?
Ps. I know several only fans girls and would not really even call them half pros. Only fans is pretty chaste since it’s not real life.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697479]That makes sense. Have you run into any girls that are just there for the expensive meal though? I was talking to one girl that expected fancy meals every date and I felt like she'd order the most expensive thing probably.

Do you avoid girls that want to meet at a hotel?[/QUOTE]I dislike dinner as a first date or as a meet-and-greet. If there is no chemistry, then you are stuck at a restaurant with her for an hour. If it is a fancy restaurant, then it can last even longer. Plus, sometimes I am not horny after I eat.

I like meeting for a drink. Try that. Sometimes alcohol creates chemistry, hahaha.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2697856]I dislike dinner as a first date or as a meet-and-greet. If there is no chemistry, then you are stuck at a restaurant with her for an hour. If it is a fancy restaurant, then it can last even longer. Plus, sometimes I am not horny after I eat.

I like meeting for a drink. Try that. Sometimes alcohol creates chemistry, hahaha.[/QUOTE]I always meet them in the bar at a restaurant. This way if things are going great, you can keep the evening going. If there is no chemistry or fake pictures, one drink and bail.

The model is back. We met last weekend and again last night. She was all dressed up last night, and wow, just stunning. The issue is her crazy ass mom, when she is in town she will not let her leave the house. Mexican mom's are the worst controlling, sabotaging and jealous behavior.

Bad news is her mom is back in town, but I have been hooking up with the be team. As usual crazy sex in the MTY. Monday has been a wild day, and one more meeting to go.

Update on the Doctor, I dumped her she was texting my 15-25 times a day, just not what I am looking for, all the text messages we're driving me crazy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2697856]I dislike dinner as a first date or as a meet-and-greet. If there is no chemistry, then you are stuck at a restaurant with her for an hour. If it is a fancy restaurant, then it can last even longer. Plus, sometimes I am not horny after I eat.

I like meeting for a drink. Try that. Sometimes alcohol creates chemistry, hahaha.[/QUOTE]Drinks would be preferred but I find a good amount of girls that don't drink. Or claim to at least. That is my fear about restaurants too but it went ok the one time I did it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2697834]I don't know that it's for everyone but yes I like to chat a couple weeks before meetup. We usually first talk if they prefer red or white Italian or Asian. A real vibey chatty girl we'll chat about what we are binging on Netflix. I swear to god I never would have landed Leya if we hadn't clicked on the reality shows we both like. Another girl and I got hooked up about books because she said she like to read and I recommended something and she bought it on Amazon next day. I love this kinda "friends" before meetup thing (and often continue after). Alexa and I chatted about her small business or her new apt for like a year after meeting and really established the trust for her to fly 3000 miles to see me).

A couple weeks is about right but I've done as much as 8 weeks of chat with some of my best girls (and one memorable sex fail! I think it also helps screen. Because they are only going to chat deep if they like you and are not a pro. So that ends up being good.

I always try to establish the PPM before meetup but that is usually several days or a week into chat. And don't call it PPM! Unless she does first. I have a new patter that is working well because it sort of makes them self qualify and also makes clear I am not a local and sex is on the table. It Goes something like this:

I'm coming to town in a few weeks and looking for an amazing girl for awesome nights out (and in! Bubbly chatty affectionate. Any of that sound like you?

Notice the "and in" puts sex immediately on the table without being rude. You can sub your own attributes but I thought about girls I like best and other than "loves to kiss" those are the keys. And the "any of that sound like you" is both an open question that tends to get a response and they are qualifying for ur offer by saying "yes I am your type of girl". So win win there.

Hope this helps. What PPM are you offering in what geography roughly?
Ps. I know several only fans girls and would not really even call them half pros. Only fans is pretty chaste since its not real life.[/QUOTE]Sounds like your game is pretty good to keep them hooked for a couple of weeks. My text game sucks but I've done better in person so usually I want to meet ASAP.

I've been doing 500 in major CA cities. A decent number of girls ask for 6-800 and some 12-1500. To be fair the 1500 was a blonde 20 yo college student but a woman closer to 40 told me she gets more than double when I said I did 500 for ppm. Said her last sd told her not to accept anything less.

Interesting that you don't call it ppm. When I started the direct girls would say they did ppm or ask what mine was so I figured it was ok to use / ask. Either that or they ask me what mutually beneficial means to me. In my experience when I dropped hints about what gifts were expected they asked about gift cards. After seeing the wide spread of ppms my strategy has been to switch to text and see what ppm they're ok with so I don't waste my time on a girl who expects a lot. Maybe that's been my problem though and why I've found the girls I have.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697942]Sounds like your game is pretty good to keep them hooked for a couple of weeks. My text game sucks but I've done better in person so usually I want to meet ASAP.

I've been doing 500 in major CA cities. A decent number of girls ask for 6-800 and some 12-1500. To be fair the 1500 was a blonde 20 yo college student but a woman closer to 40 told me she gets more than double when I said I did 500 for ppm. Said her last sd told her not to accept anything less.

Interesting that you don't call it ppm. When I started the direct girls would say they did ppm or ask what mine was so I figured it was ok to use / ask. Either that or they ask me what mutually beneficial means to me. In my experience when I dropped hints about what gifts were expected they asked about gift cards. After seeing the wide spread of ppms my strategy has been to switch to text and see what ppm they're ok with so I don't waste my time on a girl who expects a lot. Maybe that's been my problem though and why I've found the girls I have.[/QUOTE]You hear about all these girls getting these crazy prices. There, might be a few, but it is not the normal. I just do not see a lot of guys shelling out $1500 for a date. They can say what they want, but it is definitely not the norm. Especially now, with the economy in decline, prices might even go down. During Covid everyone had time and money, this will be different.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697942]I've been doing 500 in major CA cities. A decent number of girls ask for 6-800 and some 12-1500. To be fair the 1500 was a blonde 20 yo college student but a woman closer to 40 told me she gets more than double when I said I did 500 for ppm.[/QUOTE]Asian massage parlors, with top notch girls are 200. Not sure why anyone would overpay for full service? And you really only are having sex with a latex condom. I had one who wanted 350 each time plus I had to take her out to a nice restaurant for dinner, which was another 75-100 including drinks, then she had a hard time getting a baby sitter, and I just got tired of her.

I enjoy more my rotating male vibrator, that cost me only $50 and it does not talk back, does not make excuses other than "recharge me", and is much easier to schedule; less aggravation than a woman!

Peeps,

Going to Argentina later this year.

I haven't read that much here, some people reported paying between $100-200.

This seems high as Argentina economy is very bad right now and seeking has about 1,500 girls on it.

I wonder if people are paying $200 here because the are getting quoted in dollars and because you are foreign?

Has anyone every paid a girl off seeking in pesos?

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2698095]Peeps,

Going to Argentina later this year.

I haven't read that much here, some people reported paying between $100-200.

This seems high as Argentina economy is very bad right now and seeking has about 1,500 girls on it.

I wonder if people are paying $200 here because the are getting quoted in dollars and because you are foreign?

Has anyone every paid a girl off seeking in pesos?[/QUOTE]Fact is if you don't know a market you have to guess. I always go with this rule of thumb: What a top escort gets in that market for an hour is what a Seeking girl might get for an evening". This is not always right but its often close enough.

So in Baires I found one escort service that looked good. Think it was Geisha. And girls were $200/ hour. So that was where I thought my seeking girls should be. Think it was pretty much on. Saw one 8 and one 9+. I am sure you can find lower priced girls. But not the ones I want.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2697579]The last girl I met at a hotel for the first time was basically a catfish. Looked nothing like her pics and was straight up p4 p. Got dressed as soon as I was done. I'm not meeting at a hotel first anymore.[/QUOTE]If a gal does not look like her pictures I walk. You cannot trust anything she says. Better to cut your loss. It never works out.

Disclaimer: No representation is made that the services provided by this "girl-enthusiast" are better than those provided by other girl-enthusiasts!

I was just reflecting on some of the great experiences I've had and some of the classic things girls have said. Either because they were funny or warmed my heart. Here's a few.

Kendall, recognizing me from a year ago: "Oh I remember you. You like to fuck a lot. ".

Me (slightly embarrassed): "Oh well yeah I travel a lot and see girls wherever I go. ".

Kendall, laughing: "No no. I mean you like to fuck for a very long time!" 😂.

Emily, a babe in the woods. New to seeking. Limited sexual experience. After having done DATY for 20-30 minutes and given her an amazing time, she says "Damn. I musta never had that done right before. That was really something!" Heheheh.

Thifany. Our last night together in London: "Babe I've had so much fun if you want to do this again I won't charge you anything. " Wow.

Krystal, after I apologize for fucking her blind for over an hour and not cumming: "It's no problem babe. You can fuck me all night if you want!" Yes ma'am.

Jesse, quite new / young, in my room on my bed: "Oh I could never have sex with someone I just met". Followed by the 20 minute seduction of a lifetime. And "Ok we can fuck now. Just turn down the lights". Heheheh.

Liz on our very first date and my time is limited so I grab her hand and say “wanna get outta here”. She says “damn ur pretty confident aren’t u!” And I say “yep. Let’s go” and we are fucking 20 mins later.

Kendra a rather fat low end girl (after strip club blue balls I was desperate). We are face to face about to kiss and she says with conviction: "Damn your handsome. I usually have to fuck fat old dudes!" LOL.

I do put in the time to bank memories like this but damn I feel like I live a charmed life sometimes. And the fact that I am still alive after splitting 6.5 bottles of wine and a fifth of vodka last week at my age still amazes me! But I rock on!

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2698095]Peeps,

Going to Argentina later this year.

I haven't read that much here, some people reported paying between $100-200.

This seems high as Argentina economy is very bad right now and seeking has about 1,500 girls on it.

I wonder if people are paying $200 here because the are getting quoted in dollars and because you are foreign?

Has anyone every paid a girl off seeking in pesos?[/QUOTE]There are cheap ones like US $ 20 but that is not what you want so you have to pay for quality. I always paid girls in pesos even after they quoted in USD. It's easy for them to covert to USD without losing money.

So, the phrase might be bringing coal to Newcastle.

But I'm getting bored of fucking around in the Philippines.

Discussions are afoot with my wild SB for meeting somewhere like Berlin, Prague or Amsterdam.

We'd previously discussed doing a few days away and her response was 'Pay for everything, have amazing sex with me and we're good. '.

Hmmm.

I can't get over this girl.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2694718]Howdy folks,

I'm having a ball in Colombia with SA. It seems to work better here than any developed country I've tried. In that there's a big pool of attractive, college aged girls looking for financial support. I'm picking up Spanish quickly which helps.

The challenge is that I can't be here all year. I can safely spend 3 months max per country. I like what I'm seeing on SA in Brazil and Argentina. Question is what should country #4 be?

Easy answer would be Mexico but I have a hard time finding attractive girls there. Same with Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Peru and Ecuador.

I saw a few good options in Santiago, Chile. Uruguay and Paraguay also have the slim European types I like, but not too many of them seem to be on SA. What would you do?[/QUOTE]May I ask what is the going rate in Buenos Aires for a girl you hook with on SA? Headed there at the end of the year and certainly interested to meet a few of them.

Kitty will rob you, and then try to extort and blackmail you for more.

This girl is Seattle based, but supposedly a "traveling nurse's aid." Her "Toptierbently" screen name is false advertising. She should have picked: "Bottom of the Barrel Betty. " Her face is deceptively cute in photos, but average at best in person, and her body is extremely flabby. I didn't do it.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2698647]So, the phrase might be bringing coal to Newcastle.

But I'm getting bored of fucking around in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]I've played with seeking in Manila but just can't bring myself to pay SB rates for essentially the same girls.

The one benefit I did see with the SB I was progressing was that she had a full glamour wardrobe of clothes. Obviously nice to have someone like that but she would also have an expectation of expensive gifts. Instead I took the rough diamond, spent P2 k on clothes and shoes, P500 at a beauty place and made my own stunner.

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2698894]Kitty will rob you, and then try to extort and blackmail you for more.[/QUOTE]Blackmail with what? There is nothing illegal about SA, and it's hard to tie it to your "real life" if you don't tell anyone your real name. What's there to blackmail about?

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2699369]I've played with seeking in Manila but just can't bring myself to pay SB rates for essentially the same girls. The one benefit I did see with the SB I was progressing was that she had a full glamour wardrobe of clothes. Obviously nice to have someone like that but she would also have an expectation of expensive gifts. Instead I took the rough diamond, spent P2 k on clothes and shoes, P500 at a beauty place and made my own stunner.[/QUOTE]Now this is a man of initiative and action folks! I love it! LMAO! Said he created his own stunner! You go boy! LOL!

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2696056]I'm posting SA related details here in relevant form as cdmx forum is mainly for escort (though SA is just another medium for same activities, but I guess semantics are different to many. LOL). I'll post my cdmx link here to cross connect both as both make up for one trip worth of experience for me..[/QUOTE]Fantastic report! You paid the right amounts, and you had great experiences. I have been to CDMX 7 times, and this is how I would have done it as well.

Just had an amazing night. I'm about to hit the sack, but as a offering to this community, I figured I would document my experience for the night.

Dateline: Mexico City. I arranged a date with a 19 year old. I'm mid 40's. She was very cute. Lives with parents and siblings, and snuck away for the night. Told her parents she was meeting friends.

I offered her 5000 pesos. She was very happy with that. Took her to a very nice meal, A place that cost another 1500 pesos. It was nice to have the company.

Then we headed back to my Airbnb. I got an Airbnb because I didn't want to deal with guest registration.

She stayed for three hours. In those three hours, we banged four times. I was only able to finish two of the times, but that's just because of age. She did her thing.

Here's the moral of the story. In what world does $350 buy you so much? I once had an escort in Mexico City. It was $120, it lasted an hour, and it was a transaction.

This arrangement comes with risk. Somebody could flake. Or it could be a scam. I'm not saying it's perfect. But damn. What $350 get you. It's magic.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2699716]Just had an amazing night. I'm about to hit the sack, but as a offering to this community, I figured I would document my experience for the night.

Dateline: Mexico City. I arranged a date with a 19 year old. I'm mid 40's. She was very cute. Lives with parents and siblings, and snuck away for the night. Told her parents she was meeting friends.

I offered her 5000 pesos. She was very happy with that. Took her to a very nice meal, A place that cost another 1500 pesos. It was nice to have the company.

Then we headed back to my Airbnb. I got an Airbnb because I didn't want to deal with guest registration.

She stayed for three hours. In those three hours, we banged four times. I was only able to finish two of the times, but that's just because of age. She did her thing.

Here's the moral of the story. In what world does $350 buy you so much? I once had an escort in Mexico City. It was $120, it lasted an hour, and it was a transaction.

This arrangement comes with risk. Somebody could flake. Or it could be a scam. I'm not saying it's perfect. But damn. What $350 get you. It's magic.[/QUOTE]SA in Mexico City is Amazing. I tried also Guadalajara and Las Vegas and works fine but Mexico City is wonderful. New SG are always joining.

To the admins: Is it OK to share the username of the SA SGirls?

I live in Shanghai and I have been locked down for two months now. When Shanghai reopens, our every movement will be tracked (for example, buildings, residential compounds, subways, etc will employ digital sentries). This being the case, this pretty much eliminates mongering for me. What should I do? Thinking about an affair maybe, but those are rarely NSA. There's a gal at my work that I like, but we all know that having relations with her is a recipe for disaster. Maybe I have to take "business trips. ".

[QUOTE=Simplii;2700957]SA in Mexico City is Amazing. I tried also Guadalajara and Las Vegas and works fine but Mexico City is wonderful. New SG are always joining.

To the admins: Is it OK to share the username of the SA SGirls?[/QUOTE]Let's hear about GDL. How's you find the scene compared to CDMX?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2701168]I live in Shanghai and I have been locked down for two months now. When Shanghai reopens, our every movement will be tracked (for example, buildings, residential compounds, subways, etc will employ digital sentries). This being the case, this pretty much eliminates mongering for me. What should I do? Thinking about an affair maybe, but those are rarely NSA. There's a gal at my work that I like, but we all know that having relations with her is a recipe for disaster. Maybe I have to take "business trips. ".[/QUOTE]Really? It's pretty obvious. Why are you considering staying in a country that wants to literally track your movements?

Working my way thru a new city on seeking, and I've come across a phenomenon I see in every city. Some percentage of sugar babies say that they are not looking for a sexual relationship. That they are just looking for someone to be friends with. Sometimes they don't even want to meet in person. Often they say they are a great listener, as if to suggest that's what they bring to the table in exchange for hard currency.

I'm not piling on these girls. Honestly I appreciate their honesty. How much better to know than to find out on a date.

But my question is: exactly who is this for? Is there anyone that is ok with this sort of arrangement? If so, why? I'm not suggesting anything. I'm literally just curious.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2701399]Working my way thru a new city on seeking, and I've come across a phenomenon I see in every city. Some percentage of sugar babies say that they are not looking for a sexual relationship. That they are just looking for someone to be friends with. Sometimes they don't even want to meet in person. Often they say they are a great listener, as if to suggest that's what they bring to the table in exchange for hard currency.[/QUOTE]There are all kinds of guys searching for sex and love. It gets delivered in all shapes and sizes also. Perhaps a guy with a disability would like more than a monthly incall BJ. He wants some daily chat and contact maybe.

There is also a large cohort of online girls that run multiple that aren't even in those cities. The serve up recycled and pirated content.

Right after I let my membership expire Seeking started offering me 20% off to come back. Then a month later it was 25% off. This is FYI for anybody who stopped using the site who might be thinking about going back. Wait a while for the best deal. If I get an even better offer with time, I will let the readership know. In the meantime, I'm still seeing the one jewel I found during my three-month "experiment", and it's still kind of fun to look at profiles. But, I'm not an active member and not seriously contemplating signing up for another membership at this time.

It has been an eventful 10-14 days. MTY-Tijuana-MTY. Also, mixed in sone work. Now I am on the the way to CDMX. I was going to wait, to see what the economy was going to do, but I afraid things are only going to get worse.

Model's Mon. Is back,(she is killing me, Latin mom's suck at least in Mxico), and honestly I am bored with MTY. I got back in SA in CDMX and now I am boarding a plane. Just too much fun and the girls / food are the best.

I will write a detailed report later.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2702155]Right after I let my membership expire Seeking started offering me 20% off to come back. Then a month later it was 25% off. This is FYI for anybody who stopped using the site who might be thinking about going back. Wait a while for the best deal. If I get an even better offer with time, I will let the readership know. In the meantime, I'm still seeing the one jewel I found during my three-month "experiment", and it's still kind of fun to look at profiles. But, I'm not an active member and not seriously contemplating signing up for another membership at this time.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate for the great update. I just renewed my Seeking membership but put it from Auto payment to manual update each time.

Will do the needful as you guided next time after the 90 day is complete.

Didn't see if they have a better offer for a yearly membership.

Cheers.

Peace:

I got one for 33% off.

Renewed and fired away messages to the 'favorites' I have added while off subscription. Hoping to find next SB. They say I sent too many messaages and have to wait for 24 hours now.

SA has spoiled all other sex for me. LOL.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2702653]Thanks mate for the great update. I just renewed my Seeking membership but put it from Auto payment to manual update each time.

Will do the needful as you guided next time after the 90 day is complete.

Didn't see if they have a better offer for a yearly membership.

Cheers.

Peace:[/QUOTE]

So I had 2 meetings early in the day, just amazing, these girls I had met in the past. I had a dinner meeting, I was really excited about. I get text she will be arriving late, no problem, I think nothing about it. I am getting ready and I get a message that she arriving early at the restaurant, not normal, but ok. I catch my Didi, it was not the best experience, the driver was jerk. So I arrive she is cute, but does not stand up. Dinner is going will, but she will not stand up or go to the bathroom. She is drinking like a fish and eating more then me, very odd for CDMX, most of the girls eat small portions. She is all over me, that was cool. I finally have to go to the bathroom. She will not go and starts telling me needs to go, obviously she is hiding something. I probably would not have cared, but she wanted to stay at the restaurant and eat more. Finally she gets up, wow, huge ass and short. Then I get pissed. She comes back from the bathroom and said your pictures are not even close. Basically she says nothing. I ordered Didi, for both of us, but at the last moment, I got her an Uber back to her place.

I am just not into fat asses, always Video Chat.

The model called crying and called it off. We will always be friends, and we both thanked each other for an amazing 2 years.

There is nothing holding me back, time to take my game to another level. I will be focusing on CDMX now.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2703235]So I had 2 meetings early in the day, just amazing, these girls I had met in the past. I had a dinner meeting, I was really excited about. I get text she will be arriving late, no problem, I think nothing about it. I am getting ready and I get a message that she arriving early at the restaurant, not normal, but ok. I catch my Didi, it was not the best experience, the driver was jerk. So I arrive she is cute, but does not stand up. Dinner is going will, but she will not stand up or go to the bathroom. She is drinking like a fish and eating more then me, very odd for CDMX, most of the girls eat small portions. She is all over me, that was cool. I finally have to go to the bathroom. She will not go and starts telling me needs to go, obviously she is hiding something. I probably would not have cared, but she wanted to stay at the restaurant and eat more. Finally she gets up, wow, huge ass and short. Then I get pissed. She comes back from the bathroom and said your pictures are not even close. Basically she says nothing. I ordered Didi, for both of us, but at the last moment, I got her an Uber back to her place.

I am just not into fat asses, always Video Chat.[/QUOTE]Just checked out the SA: CDMX page and there is so much chicas it makes me weak to come back again to this land even if it is a 17 hour flight from here.

Cheers.

Peace: have fun: if you need any CDMX chicas at TG, we are here to help:

Happy Hunting.

Another Seeking home run. This time in London. It's amazing how a first date can become a true 40 hour girlfriend experience of lovers and best friends. Read on.

First, the good, the bad and the ugly of Seeking. Good -- great actually is Sylvia -- what a gem. But I also had to sift through piles of dead leads and one beautiful girl who strung me on with great text game and a meetup plan and hit me up for travel funds a few days before (thank her for not being last minute). But this let me go to my number 2, Sylvia, who, having met up, I am 100% confident is better than the other girl.

I met Sylvia two weeks ago on Seeking. And what a wonderful case study of how razor thin fate and decisions are. We had lovely chat, but at one point we couldn't agree price and we both walked away. Fortunately she messaged a few moments later saying she changed her mind. This AMAZING experience might not have happened but for that minor little change of heart. And she is over the moon that we met -- I was her first SA and a total home run it was in both directions.

The other great thing about this date is that its living proof its not all a bunch of pros. Sylvia just finished law school and is fucking smart and articulate as fuck. She could run circles around most of us talking politics, anthropology or whatever else you might want to talk about.

As a result of being brand new to the game and having a bright future ahead, she was super paranoid about sending photos and stuff. She'd send expiring photos on a short timeline. At first I thought she might be a scammer and didn't' want to be documented but she is absolutely 100% the professional girl early in her career looking for some fun and cash is a side benefit. And fun we had.

We met up for dinner as per the usual playbook but man did it evolve to the amazing party evening after that. I know some guys just want to go back to the sack ASAP but I LOVE having a girlfriend out on the town and a really full evening (we spent 8 hrs this first night before crashing together in my room). After dinner we walked hand in hand through Hyde Park. It was getting dark and when we got to the other side, it was chained up and we had to jump the fence. What a trooper in a dress and heels!

I had to pee like the end of the world so we found the closest bar / club we could and it was in a toney part of town. Really amazing place, with hookah / shisha and a wonderful young high end vibe. There was a belly dancer and Sylvia was sorta dancing in her seat -- so I knew she was my kinda high energy girl and asked her if she wanted to go dancing. Damn, yes she did!

Well it turns out she is a wild party girl at the club and rivals the famous Thifany for being a true life spirit of energy. And I love her moxie. When we enter the club its packed body to body but she wants to get a table. I've been here before and know there are only like 2 booths and there is no way. Undeterred she takes me by the hand and wends her way to the back of the club. Theres a corner booth but it has glasses and bottle of champagne on it, but she plunks herself down anyhow. I join her and not much later someone comes and says they had poached the booth and hope it was OK and we admitted to being poachers also and all shared it. Tho we were 99% on the floor anyhow. She was just so confident poaching that booth. What attitude!

So we dance ourselves silly for a couple hours and it really brought me back to my time with Thifany. Thifany was a 9+ and Silvia is clearly an 8 but the same energy and sexy dancing vibe. We were mixing it up with others in the club. One big party.

Back in the room the sex was hot and heavy. She totally got off on DATY and fingering, with two fingers upping the intensity level significantly. As usual I was a beast to get off when mega drunk but with BJ and several rounds of fucking I finally came in mish, which I love.

I was worried because goddamn London and their tiny rooms with a single twin bed but we crashed at 3 AM as spoons and just spooned the whole night as the only practical method of sharing a twin. And it was nice. We both slept the sleep of the dead.

Breakfast the next morning was fun and comfortable but day two was even more interesting with the introduction of a work friend to the mix. (Never sexual). I thought after all the cloak and dagger she'the want to keep things private but when my friend checked in she was fine with meeting him.

This led to an amazing night of the three of us with no one feeling like a third wheel as she was equally engaging with both of us. I lost my jealousy hangup with Thifany because I woulda gone nuts otherwise but it served well here. Happy to share her all you like but I know who's fucking her tonight!

So we had an amazing dinner with vibrant conversation, some amazing drinks and then searched high and low for a club open past 11 on Sunday WTF. Literally wandered about for an hour before a pedi-cab guy said he could take us to a place open till 3 and I pay him what I feel. Sounds like a scam. But my glass half full personality paid off and he dropped us at a club and I gave him 20 which he was happy with.

This club far exceeded expectations and turned our plans completely 180. We planned to sit and talk in another quiet pub like atmosphere. But here there were no tables and the music way too loud to talk. So we adapted!

Sylvia and I joined a small handful on the dance floor and got the party started! As time went on the club filled and we were pulling wallflowers into the game, including my shy friend. Sylvia was so great. She would dance with him, even doing back grinding totally bringing him to the party. And I just loved that she's so open and free.

She was definitely the IT girl and several guys were engaging her to dance. I don't really mind but when they got too handsy I had to back them off a bit. I don't think they believed me when I said she was my girl. LOL. We kissed a couple times which I hope sent a message. On balance it was fine and non threatening tho one dude was pretty stalker like and I had to tell him to back off more than once. All in all It was another amazing night.

We left shortly after a small fight broke out at 2 AM and made our way home. Of course we were too pooped to fuck but fortunately had a BJ before dinner and didn't feel the need. Next morning we had lovely morning sex before I had to leave for the airport.

We spent less than 48 hours together but it felt like a week and was just one off the hook party. So smart. So sexy. So 24. So free. Only on Seeking baby!

What a whirlwind. That's a great story. And why SA is so amazing.

Can I ask, what's a good gift size in UK? I've only done this in Latin America and I've always wondered how much more it is in first world countries.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2703552]Another Seeking home run. This time in London. It's amazing how a first date can become a true 40 hour girlfriend experience of lovers and best friends. Read on.

First, the good, the bad and the ugly of Seeking. Good -- great actually is Sylvia -- what a gem. But I also had to sift through piles of dead leads and one beautiful girl who strung me on with great text game and a meetup plan and hit me up for travel funds a few days before (thank her for not being last minute). But this let me go to my number 2, Sylvia, who, having met up, I am 100% confident is better than the other girl.

I met Sylvia two weeks ago on Seeking. And what a wonderful case study of how razor thin fate and decisions are. We had lovely chat, but at one point we couldn't agree price and we both walked away. Fortunately she messaged a few moments later saying she changed her mind. This AMAZING experience might not have happened but for that minor little change of heart. And she is over the moon that we met -- I was her first SA and a total home run it was in both directions.[/QUOTE]

Man these things happen. You didn't get nothing. You got a great story you can tell for years.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2703235]So I had 2 meetings early in the day, just amazing, these girls I had met in the past. I had a dinner meeting, I was really excited about. I get text she will be arriving late, no problem, I think nothing about it. I am getting ready and I get a message that she arriving early at the restaurant, not normal, but ok. I catch my Didi, it was not the best experience, the driver was jerk. So I arrive she is cute, but does not stand up. Dinner is going will, but she will not stand up or go to the bathroom. She is drinking like a fish and eating more then me, very odd for CDMX, most of the girls eat small portions. She is all over me, that was cool. I finally have to go to the bathroom. She will not go and starts telling me needs to go, obviously she is hiding something. I probably would not have cared, but she wanted to stay at the restaurant and eat more. Finally she gets up, wow, huge ass and short. Then I get pissed. She comes back from the bathroom and said your pictures are not even close. Basically she says nothing..[/QUOTE]

Guys,

Just got my account blocked and banned.

Tried to open new account using different name and that too was deleted by SA.

Any advise please.

Manwithmotive.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2703558]Man these things happen. You didn't get nothing. You got a great story you can tell for years.[/QUOTE]Exactly! I am definitely Video Chatting now.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2703556]What a whirlwind. That's a great story. And why SA is so amazing.

Can I ask, what's a good gift size in UK? I've only done this in Latin America and I've always wondered how much more it is in first world countries.[/QUOTE]I didn't get too many girls down to specifics but 400 £ seems like what they are asking. Might be able to get 300 £ but "our type" girls aren't going below that.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2703644]I didn't get too many girls down to specifics but 400 seems like what they are asking. Might be able to get 300 but "our type" girls aren't going below that.[/QUOTE]That sounds about right. It's like $200 normal in third world (I usually go higher) so 450-500 dollars usd is about right for first world.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2703644]I didn't get too many girls down to specifics but 400 seems like what they are asking. Might be able to get 300 but "our type" girls aren't going below that.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, it's helpful. But for how long or often? Is this for one meeting / outing? That seems too good to be true for a long date or overnight. And especially for something like the 2-day date you described. I get that sometimes it might just be a quick meeting, so maybe it evens out. But does a girl expect you to keep paying more, if your time lasts longer? Or is this a one-time thing each time you meet, and the date just goes for as long as you both like?

[QUOTE=NF4591;2704670]Thanks for this, it's helpful. But for how long or often? Is this for one meeting / outing? That seems too good to be true for a long date or overnight. And especially for something like the 2-day date you described. I get that sometimes it might just be a quick meeting, so maybe it evens out. But does a girl expect you to keep paying more, if your time lasts longer? Or is this a one-time thing each time you meet, and the date just goes for as long as you both like?[/QUOTE]This is seeking mate! It's up to you both, mostly her, how long she stays. It's considered fine if U don't vibe that you part after dinner for no cash. Hasn't happened to me often but does happen occasionally, esp if she is over 25. But if she likes you she will keep on and just let it flow. Sometimes that means go back to the room and fuck and she heads home. Maybe a 3-4 hour date. Sometimes u hit another bar or go out dancing. Sometimes she'll sleep over. There is no extra charge for this. She will only do it if she wants to. I'd say a bit over 50% of my girls do.

Sylvia and I agreed we'd do her 400 night 1 and my 300 night two if we repeated. Now that I know her I woulda easily done 400-500 both nights. So that meant it was 700 for our FORTY hours together. We were inseparable. But just like she likes me I like her. So we only stayed together for a quick overnight later in the week cuz of my plane but I gave her 400. Didn’t have to. But Better she have that extra hundred than me.

Treat it like a real date. Treat her with respect. Drink and make her laugh and you are good for an overnight if you have some game. Good luck!

I actually do this a little bit differently. I set clear expectations before the date. Like I will explicitly say this date is until 1 am, or you will spend the night. I have never once had someone say they object to my being so clear. That doesn't mean they always agree. Often we will have a brief exchange on how long the girl is committed to stay. But I never assume we will just figure it out. I always lay out the expected time commitment.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2704770]This is seeking mate! It's up to you both, mostly her, how long she stays. It's considered fine if U don't vibe that you part after dinner for no cash. Hasn't happened to me often but does happen occasionally, esp if she is over 25. But if she likes you she will keep on and just let it flow. Sometimes that means go back to the room and fuck and she heads home. Maybe a 3-4 hour date. Sometimes u hit another bar or go out dancing. Sometimes she'll sleep over. There is no extra charge for this. She will only do it if she wants to. I'd say a bit over 50% of my girls do.

Sylvia and I agreed we'd do her 400 night 1 and my 300 night two if we repeated. Now that I know her I woulda easily done 400-500 both nights. So that meant it was 700 for our FORTY hours together. We were inseparable. But just like she likes me I like her. So we only stayed together for a quick overnight later in the week cuz of my plane but I gave her 400. Didnt have to. But Better she have that extra hundred than me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2704836]I actually do this a little bit differently. I set clear expectations before the date. Like I will explicitly say this date is until 1 am, or you will spend the night. I have never once had someone say they object to my being so clear. That doesn't mean they always agree. Often we will have a brief exchange on how long the girl is committed to stay. But I never assume we will just figure it out. I always lay out the expected time commitment.[/QUOTE]Yeah I guess it works either way but for me half the fun is the ego boost of knowing she chose to stay for not a dime more. It's kinda part of the thrill of the chase. I would think a pre negotiated overnight would lead to higher prices as well but to be fair I have no experience to base that on.

To each his own on this one I guess!

Maybe. But let me tell you my situation. I'm actually a fairly attractive guy and quite a good conversationalist. But my weakness is I like 20-25 year old women, and I'm mid 40's. I have to be honest with myself. No matter how good I am, they would rather be banging a 25 year old dude. So I can't just rely on my wit and looks to get a girl to elect to stay the night for free. If that's what I want I feel I need to make it clear that's the exchange I'm looking for. It works for me but it's unique to my situation. If I'm.

Hopefully doing this when I'm 65 I will probably need to up the ante even more.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2704846]Yeah I guess it works either way but for me half the fun is the ego boost of knowing she chose to stay for not a dime more. It's kinda part of the thrill of the chase. I would think a pre negotiated overnight would lead to higher prices as well but to be fair I have no experience to base that on.

To each his own on this one I guess![/QUOTE]

Is there any concrete theory on which attributes seeking uses when to disconitnue access.

In January I had a seeking account which was banned due to the generic solicitation reason.

Fast forward to now and I want to find a new set of SB as I've exhausted by previous list garnered in January.

Last week I set up a new account, perfected my profile and had a browse at some likely candidates.

Thursday I submitted credit card details for a monthly subscription. Immediately I am logged out. I try to login again and it just says account is suspended. I also received an email saying it's suspended.

Unique.

A) Email address is new and not used previously.

B) Profile Picture is unique and not the same me.

C) Credit card new digits, card never used online before.

Same.

D) Card holder details, real name and address, same.

E) Browser & IP address the same as previous access.

Now I'm wondering will I try again with a new email and new card digits, or will I also need a VPN.

Any experience shares?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2704934]Maybe. But let me tell you my situation. I'm actually a fairly attractive guy and quite a good conversationalist. But my weakness is I like 20-25 year old women, and I'm mid 40's. I have to be honest with myself. No matter how good I am, they would rather be banging a 25 year old dude. So I can't just rely on my wit and looks to get a girl to elect to stay the night for free. If that's what I want I feel I need to make it clear that's the exchange I'm looking for. It works for me but it's unique to my situation. If I'm.

Hopefully doing this when I'm 65 I will probably need to up the ante even more.[/QUOTE]Dude. You are seriously underestimating yourself. I am SIXTY (look younger) and ALL the girls I see are 22-24. I don't even see 20 year olds can't drink. And 25 is bordering into the more inhibited late twenties zone. So I have a near 40 year age gap and it doesn't matter. If anything it helps do you know what it's like to be with a hot 25 year old guy?

Boring. Self centered. Immature. Cums too fast. Has no money. The list goes on. These girls (the gems) are on seeking because they can't stand the immaturity of a guy their age. They like being with a charming older man who isn't half bad looking. Why the fuck would lovely 24 year old law student Sylvia spend 40 hours with me for 700 and want to repeat if she didn't actually enjoy being with me.

It took me a couple years to figure out that these 22-24 year olds actually like me for me and enjoy hanging out with me. It's quite a revelation and only makes it better as your confidence grows. Dude you totally can pull the 20-25 crowd overnight for no extra cash and no negotiation. Youre a catch! And the more u realize it the more attractive u become.

PS. Ive also realized that just as I crave affection (not just sex) so do these girls. Not only do they want to cuddle and spoon and be held by a man. They often text me for weeks or months or even years afterwards just sweet nothings and pics of them or their lives here or there. They like feeling like someone out there cares about them for more than their looks. As I get up this morning I am looking forward to a sweet good morning text from Sylvia and maybe one from my home girl too. It always makes me smile.

That's a interesting take. Thanks for sharing it.

When I'm in Latin America every girl I'm with talks about how fed up they are with machismo so I just play the opposite card: "oh, yeah. How great you went to that women's rights March.". And that always always gets them. How different from their machismo locals.

But separately, I can see that I am able to take these girls to nice dinners and keep a good conversation. I just wonder how much they see the age gap when we are undressed and my salt and pepper pubes are on display. I'm just being honest here. I look good for my age, but when it gets to naked the age difference becomes a lot clearer.

Good to hear your take.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2705060]Dude. You are seriously underestimating yourself. I am SIXTY (look younger) and ALL the girls I see are 22-24. I don't even see 20 year olds can't drink. And 25 is bordering into the more inhibited late twenties zone. So I have a near 40 year age gap and it doesn't matter. If anything it helps do you know what it's like to be with a hot 25 year old guy?

Boring. Self centered. Immature. Cums too fast. Has no money. The list goes on. These girls (the gems) are on seeking because they can't stand the immaturity of a guy their age. They like being with a charming older man who isn't half bad looking. Why the fuck would lovely 24 year old law student Sylvia spend 40 hours with me for 700 and want to repeat if she didn't actually enjoy being with me.

It took me a couple years to figure out that these 22-24 year olds actually like me for me and enjoy hanging out with me. It's quite a revelation and only makes it better as your confidence grows. Dude you totally can pull the 20-25 crowd overnight for no extra cash and no negotiation. Youre a catch! And the more u realize it the more attractive u become..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2705060]Dude. You are seriously underestimating yourself. I am SIXTY (look younger) and ALL the girls I see are 22-24. I don't even see 20 year olds can't drink. And 25 is bordering into the more inhibited late twenties zone. So I have a near 40 year age gap and it doesn't matter. If anything it helps do you know what it's like to be with a hot 25 year old guy?

Boring. Self centered. Immature. Cums too fast. Has no money. The list goes on. These girls (the gems) are on seeking because they can't stand the immaturity of a guy their age. They like being with a charming older man who isn't half bad looking. Why the fuck would lovely 24 year old law student Sylvia spend 40 hours with me for 700 and want to repeat if she didn't actually enjoy being with me.

It took me a couple years to figure out that these 22-24 year olds actually like me for me and enjoy hanging out with me. It's quite a revelation and only makes it better as your confidence grows. Dude you totally can pull the 20-25 crowd overnight for no extra cash and no negotiation. Youre a catch! And the more u realize it the more attractive u become..[/QUOTE]Exactly, I am 52, soon to be 53 and killing it. It takes time and work, but this is the best time in my life. I am meeting girls in the there early 20's and they love being around me and I feel the same.

I am in CDMX now and just an amazing place and yes, you should use SA in CDMX and all other On-line platforms. The guys that complain about this are either jealous or just do not get it. There is single girls every where in CDMX. Kind of starting over from my initial trips and I was not planning on the Model breaking up with me, but time to move on. I have a feeling I will see her again, no sense burning bridges, I have learned that lesson the hard way.

Unfortunately, I had another bad date last night. My flight was late, I agreed to meet a girl at the same Restaurant that I gave the last girl I gave the boot. She definitely was not my type, but it was Saturday and late, so I decided to make the best of it. We had nice conversation, but I did not want to have sex with her. I told her I had to work in the morning and that did not work, also she wanted to go dancing. I was done. I told I would be back in a week and we could do, whatever she wanted, "Lie". She then wanted to be paid for her time, I said, "Hell No" She kept talking and told her she had to go. Finally she left. Today is a new day and I have 2 new girls lined up.

Got banned on SA because some woman complained about my offer. Any advice? From time to time I might try it again. But they blocked my access and use of my credit card.

Probably would have been better not to be direct on the site, but wait until I got the phone number or met in person.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2705115]That's a interesting take. Thanks for sharing it.

but when it gets to naked the age difference becomes a lot clearer.

.[/QUOTE]Dude by the time she sees your pubes she's already decided you are worth fucking. She probably decided 15 minutes into dinner. Eat her out. Give her an O if you can. Fuck like a stallion and she's all urs. Girls are way less hung up on looks. Treat her well and she will be your girl. And once you have done it once you are good for years. I first fucked Alexa when she was 23 and again at 24 and now also at 25! Once a girl is comfy with you that doesn't go away. In fact it gets better. I went in bareback this time and zero discussion.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2705207]Dude by the time she sees your pubes she's already decided you are worth fucking. She probably decided 15 minutes into dinner. Eat her out. Give her an O if you can. Fuck like a stallion and she's all urs. Girls are way less hung up on looks. Treat her well and she will be your girl. And once you have done it once you are good for years. I first fucked Alexa when she was 23 and again at 24 and now also at 25! Once a girl is comfy with you that doesn't go away. In fact it gets better. I went in bareback this time and zero discussion.[/QUOTE]I'm still in the infancy of my SA life, first few months, when even when I have an amazing experience I rarely repeat because I look at other hot things and wonder what if. The curse of the desire for new p*why.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2705060]It took me a couple years to figure out that these 22-24 year olds actually like me for me and enjoy hanging out with me. It's quite a revelation and only makes it better as your confidence grows. Dude you totally can pull the 20-25 crowd overnight for no extra cash and no negotiation. Youre a catch! And the more u realize it the more attractive u become.[/QUOTE]It is too bad that that confidence is a feeling and not a fact. It is that feeling, that confidence that so many guys do not get. Sure, I am a nice and fun person but even though I am older and less attractive now, the confidence makes up for it.

It is funny how so many guys on here say, "Don't pay her and see how long she stays. " On my second date with my current gal, she fucked my brains out, and I paid her nothing, and she said nothing. I realized then that she may have been a rarer type of gal. We planned a trip to Cancun, went on it, and at the end of it, she was crying. She said, "Am I never going to see you again? And I promised her I would. After seeing her tears, I said to myself, "Holy shit, this woman is in love with me."

And she is not the only one. I have met at least 4 beautiful women in their 20's proclaim their love for me, and in each case, I think they meant it. Sure, there are a lot more women just out for a buck, but guys need to be open to the fact that there are hot women out there really interested in just being with us.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2705206]Got banned on SA because some woman complained about my offer. Any advice? From time to time I might try it again. But they blocked my access and use of my credit card.

Probably would have been better not to be direct on the site, but wait until I got the phone number or met in person.[/QUOTE]You guys, need to read previous posts. You can not discuss money on SA, you will get banned. You have to get there number and text or use WhatsApp. Very easy.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2705139]Exactly, I am 52, soon to be 53 and killing it. It takes time and work, but this is the best time in my life. I am meeting girls in the there early 20's and they love being around me and I feel the same.

I am in CDMX now and just an amazing place and yes, you should use SA in CDMX and all other On-line platforms. The guys that complain about this are either jealous or just do not get it. There is single girls every where in CDMX. Kind of starting over from my initial trips and I was not planning on the Model breaking up with me, but time to move on. I have a feeling I will see her again, no sense burning bridges, I have learned that lesson the hard way.

Unfortunately, I had another bad date last night. My flight was late, I agreed to meet a girl at the same Restaurant that I gave the last girl I gave the boot. She definitely was not my type, but it was Saturday and late, so I decided to make the best of it. We had nice conversation, but I did not want to have sex with her. I told her I had to work in the morning and that did not work, also she wanted to go dancing. I was done. I told I would be back in a week and we could do, whatever she wanted, "Lie". She then wanted to be paid for her time, I said, "Hell No" She kept talking and told her she had to go. Finally she left. Today is a new day and I have 2 new girls lined up.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your negative experiences. Shit happens. Guys who are new to SA need to understand that SA is not rainbows and unicorns, and bad dates happen. CDMX is a great city, and the talent is so diverse, you can meet girls of all shapes, races and backgrounds, unlike in Colombia, for example. If you are into white European slim girls, CDMX got them too. Food is awesome, shit ton of things to see and to do, love it. Can't wait to go back some day.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2705287]Thanks for sharing your negative experiences. Shit happens. Guys who are new to SA need to understand that SA is not rainbows and unicorns, and bad dates happen. CDMX is a great city, and the talent is so diverse, you can meet girls of all shapes, races and backgrounds, unlike in Colombia, for example. If you are into white European slim girls, CDMX got them too. Food is awesome, shit ton of things to see and to do, love it. Can't wait to go back some day.[/QUOTE]Yep, CDMX is amazing. The sky is the limit here. So many beautiful women and food, wow simply amazing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2705252]It is too bad that that confidence is a feeling and not a fact. It is that feeling, that confidence that so many guys do not get. Sure, I am a nice and fun person but even though I am older and less attractive now, the confidence makes up for it.

It is funny how so many guys on here say, "Don't pay her and see how long she stays. " On my second date with my current gal, she fucked my brains out, and I paid her nothing, and she said nothing. I realized then that she may have been a rarer type of gal. We planned a trip to Cancun, went on it, and at the end of it, she was crying. She said, "Am I never going to see you again? And I promised her I would. After seeing her tears, I said to myself, "Holy shit, this woman is in love with me."

And she is not the only one. I have met at least 4 beautiful women in their 20's proclaim their love for me, and in each case, I think they meant it. Sure, there are a lot more women just out for a buck, but guys need to be open to the fact that there are hot women out there really interested in just being with us.[/QUOTE]So true, I was with a super Hot chick in CDMX today. I started getting nervous, but I calmed down. I could have blown it, but she was totally into me.

Holly shit what a date, we had sex for 2 hours and then went to dinner. She could not thank me enough. Truly an amazing day. Now, I also had a no-show and cancellation, but banging a hot 23 year old more then makes up for it.

The combination of SA and CDMX is so good, anyone claiming differently is just dumb. They can say whatever they want and make all the excuse in the world, but there posts make no sense unless you are into banging ugly girls and paying them.

CDMX Rocks! MDE sucks! Bad advice even sucks more, especially when others cover up for there crappy advise.

So, in the last 7 days, I have had 3 meeting set-up at my favorite Rest. , in CDMX. Unfortunately, 2 fat chicks, I could not have sex with them for free and now tonight a no-show, maybe it is time to move on. On the bright side, I spent the afternoon with a super hot 23 year old. Amazing sex and great company. More good then bad!

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2705323]So, in the last 7 days, I have had 3 meeting set-up at my favorite Rest. , in CDMX. Unfortunately, 2 fat chicks, I could not have sex with them for free and now tonight a no-show, maybe it is time to move on. On the bright side, I spent the afternoon with a super hot 23 year old. Amazing sex and great company. More good then bad![/QUOTE]I love fat chicks. I like how they can handle long BJs. Could you please provide their usernames? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Simplii;2705642]I love fat chicks. I like how they can handle long BJs. Could you please provide their usernames? Thanks![/QUOTE]I do not normally share, but happy to provide there information.

Monday I have a great afternoon session with this hot 21 year old, from, Senora. Very nice, but maybe a little to calm for me, but great afternoon. I had an late afternoon meeting, the girl she made reservations, for a nice restaurant. I show up on time. She is very late. She say's she is arriving, great. Then she, said her friend is with her, I responded with a, "Hell No! Reminded of my Kiev dayes this happened all the time. She called me, asking if it was okay after I said, no. I hung up. I have another meeting a 9 pm. Life is good. Take the good, with the bad.

I had some successes and failure this trip, but one major step accomplished. My landlord on Airbnb has agreed to deal with me directly, so I cut out the middleman. This will save $100-200 each trip, so those that say I am reckless with my money, maybe you are wrong, just like most of your posts!

I am leaving tomorrow, and will be back Sunday. I wii go work my ass off and return to CDMX.

This place is amazing, you do need to be careful it can get expensive fast. Amazing how some leave this out of there reports.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2705705]I had some successes and failure this trip, but one major step accomplished. My landlord on Airbnb has agreed to deal with me directly, so I cut out the middleman. This will save $100-200 each trip, so those that say I am reckless with my money, maybe you are wrong, just like most of your posts!

I am leaving tomorrow, and will be back Sunday. I wii go work my ass off and return to CDMX.

This place is amazing, you do need to be careful it can get expensive fast. Amazing how some leave this out of there reports.[/QUOTE]Question:

Are you leveraging the differences in currency values and do the women in CDMX understand this nuance?

I was in CDMX back in January and I met somebody but she has physical ailments I am not willing to deal with, her one positive is that she speaks English very well.

Attractive women are all over CDMX not sure who speaks English (besides hotel and airport ticket desk employees).

Methinks I can narrow things down a bit with Seeking to get 7 or better on the classic scale, speaks English with minimal accent and under 30 (I'm 51) that may entertain a LTR if things go swimmingly.

I live in LOS Angeles making visits to Mexico very affordable, the conundrum has been speaking Spanish.

Thanks.

Curious: what kind of physical ailment?

Regarding language, it's really worth taking the time to learn Spanish. It's a Category 1 language, which is the easiest to learn. As someone who learned it, trust me it's not that hard once you get past the initial push.

[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2705993]Question:

Are you leveraging the differences in currency values and do the women in CDMX understand this nuance?

I was in CDMX back in January and I met somebody but she has physical ailments I am not willing to deal with, her one positive is that she speaks English very well.

Attractive women are all over CDMX not sure who speaks English (besides hotel and airport ticket desk employees).

Methinks I can narrow things down a bit with Seeking to get 7 or better on the classic scale, speaks English with minimal accent and under 30 (I'm 51) that may entertain a LTR if things go swimmingly..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2705699]I do not normally share, but happy to provide there information.[/QUOTE]Hey! Thank you! I just sent you a Private Message!

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2706074]Curious: what kind of physical ailment?

Regarding language, it's really worth taking the time to learn Spanish. It's a Category 1 language, which is the easiest to learn. As someone who learned it, trust me it's not that hard once you get past the initial push.[/QUOTE]I am open to learning, god knows I have plenty of opportunities to practice.

As for her physical problems:

A) She explained an inoperable back issue. At least she was told to give her relief from back pain, surgery was risky.

She opted for pain killers, I didn't read the bottle and it was injected.

B) Loose abadnen skin and stretch marks indicating extreme weight loss.

She has no children, that leads to issue #3.

C) Eating disorder. As in she is concerned about how much she eats to the point of having a smallish meal once a day.

I know fasting as become more in vouge lately but I don't think that applies here.

The positives:

29, no children, never married, European decent, English speaker minimal errors writing or speaking.

I met her walking into the wrong hostel where she was working.

She instantly liked me and it was mutual.

Yeah that's a lot to deal with.

I once talked to a SA chick in CDMX who said in our initial chat that due to a physical condition sex is not a possibility but she's a great companion and would like a SA relationship based on that. I was super nice about it. But I just wanted to say I don't think you understand how much you're fishing in a desert with that approach, on this website.

[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2706256]I am open to learning, god knows I have plenty of opportunities to practice.

As for her physical problems:

A) She explained an inoperable back issue. At least she was told to give her relief from back pain, surgery was risky.

She opted for pain killers, I didn't read the bottle and it was injected.

B) Loose abadnen skin and stretch marks indicating extreme weight loss.

She has no children, that leads to issue #3.

C) Eating disorder. As in she is concerned about how much she eats to the point of having a smallish meal once a day.

I know fasting as become more in vouge lately but I don't think that applies here.

The positives:

29, no children, never married, European decent, English speaker minimal errors writing or speaking.

I met her walking into the wrong hostel where she was working.

She instantly liked me and it was mutual.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2704934]Maybe. But let me tell you my situation. I'm actually a fairly attractive guy and quite a good conversationalist. But my weakness is I like 20-25 year old women, and I'm mid 40's. I have to be honest with myself. No matter how good I am, they would rather be banging a 25 year old dude. So I can't just rely on my wit and looks to get a girl to elect to stay the night for free. If that's what I want I feel I need to make it clear that's the exchange I'm looking for. It works for me but it's unique to my situation.[/QUOTE]If all this is true about yourself, you should be fine with 20-25 women. Many women in their twenties like mature men in their forties for many reasons. I don't think it's just about money, but also how a mature man carries himself and lays out the date. When I was in my forties, I even had young women comment about my decor. A young man might have a good job, but not know how to carry himself and have post-college tastes. I would also add that in my opinion a fortysomething male is still close to his peak appearance if he keeps himself in shape and hasn't lost too much hair.

That being said, I don't think walking into a bar and hitting on young women is going to go too well. There guard is up. They are likely with friends.

I found that I met them through business, the gym, the coffee shop, etc. Anywhere, I could have a one-on-one greet and flirt. That's my take. I live in a large city. My neighborhood has many young women so the chance to interact is a daily, regular thing.

When I was in my forties, I have had young women literally say "you're fun and we don't have to worry about where this goes".

Not sure if you all are experiencing this. SA prospects have been relatively slow to materialize for me. Between Dec and Feb, I had met with 10 and fucked 6. Two were repeat. We fucked around a lot.

I got back on SA couple weeks ago. Yet to have even one turn to meet and greet. Wondering if it is to do with things opening up.

I am in Europe.

That's good input. Thanks for taking the time.

I actually do well going up to girls in my city, even young ones, and chatting them. I think I assume SA will be different because I'm not playing the long game. If I don't get into bed, tonight, the date is a waste. I don't need female friends who love going out to eat. I've got plenty of those. So then I just think if I'm being honest, a 20 year old girl is going to want to bang a young guy, if all that's gong on is banging. We aren't talking about relationships here.

But I totally hear you. And I appreciate your point. And I will keep that in mind as I pursue these young mujeres.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2706341]If all this is true about yourself, you should be fine with 20-25 women. Many women in their twenties like mature men in their forties for many reasons. I don't think it's just about money, but also how a mature man carries himself and lays out the date. When I was in my forties, I even had young women comment about my decor. A young man might have a good job, but not know how to carry himself and have post-college tastes. I would also add that in my opinion a fortysomething male is still close to his peak appearance if he keeps himself in shape and hasn't lost too much hair.

That being said, I don't think walking into a bar and hitting on young women is going to go too well. There guard is up. They are likely with friends.

I found that I met them through business, the gym, the coffee shop, etc. Anywhere, I could have a one-on-one greet and flirt. That's my take. I live in a large city. My neighborhood has many young women so the chance to interact is a daily, regular thing.

When I was in my forties, I have had young women literally say "you're fun and we don't have to worry about where this goes".[/QUOTE]

So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

I know a strange place, but I thought let me get the kinks worked out so I become more proficient.

Set up a profile, posted some hidden pics. And wrote 2 canned messages, 1 for Ex-US, and one for US.

Started making my favorite list last week, and started sending messages 4 days before my arrival on Tuesday this week.

Sent about 20-30 messages. Got 15 replies. Followed up with messages and they all wanted access to my pics.

Approved access to my pics. 2 didn't reply after that. 1 said she didn't believe my pics were real, looked way younger than my stated age of 48 and too attractive, LOL.

12 replied after pics and said they are interested in speaking more.

Sent them all my WhatsApp and switched conversations to WhatsApp. One said telegram. I deleted her.

Then then WhatsApp convos started. Was feeling really good. Was concentrating on the 4 hottest. Two 9. 5's, and two 8's.

Age range, 22, 23, 25, 33.

Set up meetings for lunch and dinner on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Tuesday 23 yr solid 8. Hit it off really well, but I was getting worried she was really thinking I would be more than a SD. Have been in that situation and didn't not end well. So after lunch, got her an Uber and sent her back. She was clearly disappointed. But has been texting me. She was a real German.

Tuesday 23 yr. Solid 9.5, she had initiated the arrangement topic. I did not initiate with any of them on purpose. She said after dinner if I'm as attractive as my picture she will stay the night of that was ok. But would like 400 and cover her taxi home in the morning. I said no problem.

But, then I started thinking how am I not going to go to an FKK. So I canceled last minute. She was cool and still texting.

Went to sharks. Report posted today in FKK thread. She was from some small town in France.

Wednesday 33 yr old. Solid 9. 5, probably 10. But this one caused me the most angst. Would not move to WhatsApp till today when she sent me her phone number at 7 am confirming our time.

We set for 2 pm and she then sent me text 2:20-2:30. I'm starting to think she will flake.

She pulled up to the JW Marriott and was stunning. Turned every head. But had a all business look. So angst again from me.

After 10 minutes the hair flips started, biting lip and blushing and body language completely opened up. Started telling me all kinds of personal things. She had said could only do 1 HR. I thought this was going to be a long courtship and told her I had a 8 pm dinner meeting and wanted to hit the gym and shower. So had concierge call her a Taxi.

As she gets in the Uber she asked again when I was leaving and I said 8 am.

20 minutes later she calls and said she coming back to finish what we started.

Full GFE, Bareback sex, leaves after 1.5 hrs. Called her another taxi and she was gone. She was from the Ukraine, been here 13 years. No other payment that 2 taxis.

Now I am running out of time. For my dinner meeting with the 25 year old. Solid 8. Her English is perfect. Went to school in Toronto. A lot of banter with her on texts.

Had 8 pm reservations at IWASE, best sushi in Germany. Real Deal. I get there at 8 pm. See missed 3 calls from her. I call her and she said can't get an UBer. JPmorgan marathon today in the rain fucked the traffic. She said she has been trying for 45 minutes.

I told her do what you need to do. I'm ordering and eating. They had Yamazaki so I was happy.

Calls me again and said ask them if they have parking. They said garage next door. She said she is driving to me.

Whatever. Don't believe her.

Halfway thru my sashimi course and excellent toro she calls and said come outside. Now I'm losing patience. I'm 48. Already blew one load.

I come outside and she is in a brand new Cayenne Turbo with Russian plates. Now I am worried.

She said I have to park the car because she will not maneuver it through the parking garage.

I get in and we park. I'm starting to think I have been set up. We go in she orders, we finish the bottle of Yamazaki and leave.

Now she says I have to drive her car back to her house? I'm stupid for pussy. I'm horny now with her big tits, red toes, so I do it like a dumbass. She lives in west end I think it's called near the city center. Pull up to her place, she opens gate and I park in the back and she said let's go drink in town. We find a bar, munchio? Or something. It's late now, I said let's get out of here. She said sure. She asked where, I told her I'm going to my hotel and she can join me. She played like she wasn't sure, we walked and talked right to the JW.

In the room, game over, just like I like, hardcore sex, bareback sex, bareback anal, choking whatever I wanted. Fucked her silly. She soaked my sheets. Thank you Yamazaki. She showered, then when I was showering she got dressed like a good girl.

Called her an Uber. She said let's do it again when I'm back. Total costs- Dinner and the drinks, plus 14 e Uber.

Now I see why you guys are so hot on seeking. I'm spoiled as fuck now.

Have a date set up with a 21 yr old in NJ who is texting me like crazy on Friday when I return.

Thanks to all of your tips.

FYI- I tried tinder also. Got a lot of matches, but I found it harder. So need to see how much effort I will put into tinder.

Holy crap man. What a whirlwind. Congrats on that.

Honestly can't believe you did FKK instead of a sealed SA deal. But FKK is something every straight man has to experience in his short life. Just describing it people would think you're lying.

Well done.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2706491]So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

I know a strange place, but I thought let me get the kinks worked out so I become more proficient.

Set up a profile, posted some hidden pics. And wrote 2 canned messages, 1 for Ex-US, and one for US.

Started making my favorite list last week, and started sending messages 4 days before my arrival on Tuesday this week.

Sent about 20-30 messages. Got 15 replies. Followed up with messages and they all wanted access to my pics.

Approved access to my pics. 2 didn't reply after that. 1 said she didn't believe my pics were real, looked way younger than my stated age of 48 and too attractive, LOL.

12 replied after pics and said they are interested in speaking more.

Sent them all my WhatsApp and switched conversations to WhatsApp. One said telegram. I deleted her.

Then then WhatsApp convos started. Was feeling really good. Was concentrating on the 4 hottest. Two 9. 5's, and two 8's.

Age range, 22, 23, 25, 33.

Set up meetings for lunch and dinner on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Tuesday 23 yr solid 8. Hit it off really well, but I was getting worried she was really thinking I would be more than a SD. Have been in that situation and didn't not end well. So after lunch, got her an Uber and sent her back. She was clearly disappointed. But has been texting me. She was a real German.

Tuesday 23 yr. Solid 9.5, she had initiated the arrangement topic. I did not initiate with any of them on purpose. She said after dinner if I'm as attractive as my picture she will stay the night of that was ok. But would like 400 and cover her taxi home in the morning. I said no problem.[/QUOTE]

Excellent report.

Please check your PM.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2706491]So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

I know a strange place, but I thought let me get the kinks worked out so I become more proficient.

Set up a profile, posted some hidden pics. And wrote 2 canned messages, 1 for Ex-US, and one for US.

Started making my favorite list last week, and started sending messages 4 days before my arrival on Tuesday this week.

Sent about 20-30 messages. Got 15 replies. Followed up with messages and they all wanted access to my pics.

Approved access to my pics. 2 didn't reply after that. 1 said she didn't believe my pics were real, looked way younger than my stated age of 48 and too attractive, LOL.

12 replied after pics and said they are interested in speaking more.

Sent them all my WhatsApp and switched conversations to WhatsApp. One said telegram. I deleted her.

Then then WhatsApp convos started. Was feeling really good. Was concentrating on the 4 hottest. Two 9. 5's, and two 8's.

Age range, 22, 23, 25, 33.

Set up meetings for lunch and dinner on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Tuesday 23 yr solid 8. Hit it off really well, but I was getting worried she was really thinking I would be more than a SD. Have been in that situation and didn't not end well. So after lunch, got her an Uber and sent her back. She was clearly disappointed. But has been texting me. She was a real German.

Tuesday 23 yr. Solid 9.5, she had initiated the arrangement topic. I did not initiate with any of them on purpose. She said after dinner if I'm as attractive as my picture she will stay the night of that was ok. But would like 400 and cover her taxi home in the morning. I said no problem.

But, then I started thinking how am I not going to go to an FKK. So I canceled last minute. She was cool and still texting.

Went to sharks. Report posted today in FKK thread. She was from some small town in France.

Wednesday 33 yr old. Solid 9. 5, probably 10. But this one caused me the most angst. Would not move to WhatsApp till today when she sent me her phone number at 7 am confirming our time.

We set for 2 pm and she then sent me text 2:20-2:30. I'm starting to think she will flake.

She pulled up to the JW Marriott and was stunning. Turned every head. But had a all business look. So angst again from me.

After 10 minutes the hair flips started, biting lip and blushing and body language completely opened up. Started telling me all kinds of personal things. She had said could only do 1 HR. I thought this was going to be a long courtship and told her I had a 8 pm dinner meeting and wanted to hit the gym and shower. So had concierge call her a Taxi.

As she gets in the Uber she asked again when I was leaving and I said 8 am.

20 minutes later she calls and said she coming back to finish what we started.

Full GFE, Bareback sex, leaves after 1.5 hrs. Called her another taxi and she was gone. She was from the Ukraine, been here 13 years. No other payment that 2 taxis.

Now I am running out of time. For my dinner meeting with the 25 year old. Solid 8. Her English is perfect. Went to school in Toronto. A lot of banter with her on texts.

Had 8 pm reservations at IWASE, best sushi in Germany. Real Deal. I get there at 8 pm. See missed 3 calls from her. I call her and she said can't get an UBer. JPmorgan marathon today in the rain fucked the traffic. She said she has been trying for 45 minutes.

I told her do what you need to do. I'm ordering and eating. They had Yamazaki so I was happy.

Calls me again and said ask them if they have parking. They said garage next door. She said she is driving to me.

Whatever. Don't believe her.

Halfway thru my sashimi course and excellent toro she calls and said come outside. Now I'm losing patience. I'm 48. Already blew one load.

I come outside and she is in a brand new Cayenne Turbo with Russian plates. Now I am worried.

She said I have to park the car because she will not maneuver it through the parking garage.

I get in and we park. I'm starting to think I have been set up. We go in she orders, we finish the bottle of Yamazaki and leave.

Now she says I have to drive her car back to her house? I'm stupid for pussy. I'm horny now with her big tits, red toes, so I do it like a dumbass. She lives in west end I think it's called near the city center. Pull up to her place, she opens gate and I park in the back and she said let's go drink in town. We find a bar, munchio? Or something. It's late now, I said let's get out of here. She said sure. She asked where, I told her I'm going to my hotel and she can join me. She played like she wasn't sure, we walked and talked right to the JW.

In the room, game over, just like I like, hardcore sex, bareback sex, bareback anal, choking whatever I wanted. Fucked her silly. She soaked my sheets. Thank you Yamazaki. She showered, then when I was showering she got dressed like a good girl.

Called her an Uber. She said let's do it again when I'm back. Total costs- Dinner and the drinks, plus 14 e Uber.

Now I see why you guys are so hot on seeking. I'm spoiled as fuck now.

Have a date set up with a 21 yr old in NJ who is texting me like crazy on Friday when I return.

Thanks to all of your tips.

FYI- I tried tinder also. Got a lot of matches, but I found it harder. So need to see how much effort I will put into tinder.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2706661]Excellent report.

Please check your PM.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Will reply.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2706545]Holy crap man. What a whirlwind. Congrats on that.

Honestly can't believe you did FKK instead of a sealed SA deal. But FKK is something every straight man has to experience in his short life. Just describing it people would think you're lying.

Well done.[/QUOTE]Being from the US I love FKKs. Its like a drug addict in an all you can inject buffet right.

LOL.

However, I wanted guaranteed nut busts and after the first meeting on Tuesday afternoon where I sent her home I was getting skeptical of seeking. If Wednesday meetings happened on Tuesday I would not have went to Sharks.

But, I have had good luck in FKKs, specifically with getting them out of the club. But their baggage is very very heavy. I had a globe superstar follow me to London and didn't know. Accosted me and a date in Nobu some years ago. So I am more apprehensive now.

It seems because of the war a lot of the Russian ladies are not going out as much, at least that's what they communicating to me.

I know many don't like the Russian lady game, but from a sex perspective they have been on point for me as much Latin, Spanish, Polish, etc. They would always think they are better than the rest, but they have tuned it down.

So you may want to look at those opportunities again.

Ok so yeah. I love meeting new girls on Seeking and having a few days relationship maybe to be repeated. Yep love that. But what I REALLY love is that I've hooked a real deal girlfriend in Shayla.

We were apart for various reasons for six weeks and the the reunion was epic. As soon as the hotel room door closed she ran across the room and jumped up and threw her legs around me and covered me in kissses. Smiling ear to ear. Just eating me alive like I am the most amazing person on planet earth.

I adore her equally and the reunion sex was epic. She has a tit pussy connection like no other girl I've seen. Suck her tits and she starts moaning loudly. First couple times I thought it was fake. But literally her pussy is a sloppy mess after 15 seconds of tit work. Never seen anything like it. OMG. Just amazing sex. Amazing BJ. CIM swallow. 1000 watt smile. Kisses. Spooning. Affection off the charts.

I am over the moon with this girl. Best girlfriend ever, bar none. Thank you Seeking!

Speaking of amazing regs, cane I know you swore off SA but are you still seeing your $300 bareback hottie? That was quite a find!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2707066]Speaking of amazing regs, cane I know you swore off SA but are you still seeing your $300 bareback hottie? That was quite a find![/QUOTE]We're still seeing each other. As a matter of fact, I have some gifts I've got waiting for her that I need to give to her. And to set the record straight, she's a $250 PPM bareback hottie LOL! It will be interesting to see if FastMdSter has the same success in the States that he did in Germany.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2707244]We're still seeing each other. As a matter of fact, I have some gifts I've got waiting for her that I need to give to her. And to set the record straight, she's a $250 PPM bareback hottie LOL! It will be interesting to see if FastMdSter has the same success in the States that he did in Germany.[/QUOTE]Hey Cane, I'm wondering the same thing. Moved the meeting I had today with the 21 yr hottie from NJ to Monday afternoon. Then I fly out to SFO and have a meeting with 26 yr in Sonoma, (also have an office near Napa).

Working on some leads for Montreal, which my big head tells me is dumb because I feel Montreal is the best escort scene. Young Caucasian woman under 30 who are GFE for $200, and most of them will go bareback with a 2 HR appointment and alcohol because they love to party.

During F1 week they come out of the woodwork. Last race before Covid had my suite and an adjoining room just for escorts.

Then most of them would fuck for free because me and my buddies had a corporate suite. So inexpensive when you tally the shots per dollar.

However, this is like a full time job. I may need an admin for this part of my life. Will see how much energy I can devote. But, I'm hunter in the real world and it's the same adrenaline if I was big game hunting.

I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2707287]Hey Cane, I'm wondering the same thing. Moved the meeting I had today with the 21 yr hottie from NJ to Monday afternoon. Then I fly out to SFO and have a meeting with 26 yr in Sonoma, (also have an office near Napa).

Working on some leads for Montreal, which my big head tells me is dumb because I feel Montreal is the best escort scene. Young Caucasian woman under 30 who are GFE for $200, and most of them will go bareback with a 2 HR appointment and alcohol because they love to party.

During F1 week they come out of the woodwork. Last race before Covid had my suite and an adjoining room just for escorts.

Then most of them would fuck for free because me and my buddies had a corporate suite. So inexpensive when you tally the shots per dollar.

However, this is like a full time job. I may need an admin for this part of my life. Will see how much energy I can devote. But, I'm hunter in the real world and it's the same adrenaline if I was big game hunting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2707298]I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?[/QUOTE]To me, it's all a matter of risk assessment. I would usually try to get to know about the girl as much as I can prior. Indirect questions like, do you have sex a lot, have many partners before me etc etc. I am not talking about the pros here, but some of these SA girls who are mainly college students or those with regular jobs.

For pros, they are not going to go bareback on you anyway, and even if they are willing, I will stay away from BB. Also regular testing helps.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2707298]I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?[/QUOTE]It's rare, rare, rare that I'll go bareback with a working girl. It's happened, but definitely that's an extremely rare exception versus the rule. The blonde hottie I've been fucking isn't one of "those" girls. And even so, we showed each other "papers" to establish that we were clean. It's not that you can't ever get anything from a SB. You can. It's just as the man said. You need to be prepared and able to do some risk assessment and go from there. I know that everybody likes bareback. But everybody's tolerance for risk is different too. Assess the risk, then act according to your own individual risk tolerance.

I dunno.

Regular testing helps? How? It only tells you if you have something. But some of these things. Herpes, hpv, warts. They stick around forever. Getting a test to confirm only tells you what you'the know at that point. Do you already have these things so it's just a matter of avoiding the biggies like aids?

And indirect questions? (BTW "how many guys before me" is not indirect). Trust me if a girl is on SA she's not a coquettish struggling college girl no matter what she says. She is unambiguously selling sex for money, and you are one a line of people that no doubt includes other guys probing to guess their risk level.

To each his own. Really. But to me this would not be worth it. And I love love love me some SA. And escorts when the fancy strikes.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2707332]To me, it's all a matter of risk assessment. I would usually try to get to know about the girl as much as I can prior. Indirect questions like, do you have sex a lot, have many partners before me etc etc. I am not talking about the pros here, but some of these SA girls who are mainly college students or those with regular jobs.

For pros, they are not going to go bareback on you anyway, and even if they are willing, I will stay away from BB. Also regular testing helps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2704934]Maybe. But let me tell you my situation. I'm actually a fairly attractive guy and quite a good conversationalist. But my weakness is I like 20-25 year old women, and I'm mid 40's. I have to be honest with myself. No matter how good I am, they would rather be banging a 25 year old dude. So I can't just rely on my wit and looks to get a girl to elect to stay the night for free. If that's what I want I feel I need to make it clear that's the exchange I'm looking for. It works for me but it's unique to my situation. If I'm.[/QUOTE]Who says that 20-25 year old women want to be banging 25 year old men? That is not what I have seen. The women I have talked to said that 25 year old men are insecure, have no money, want to get wasted or play video games, are controlling, lack social skills, and cum too quickly.

One reason I do not like American women is they are more about their friends and how hot / cute a guy is. They fuck a 25 year old for free, show the guy off to their friends, and then the women come to guys like me when they are broke. Latin women care about their families more than anything so if you help their family situation, they are nuts about you.

Keep in mind that so many of these women do not have a father figure in their life. They do not know what it is like to have a friendly and positive male role model in their life. This one girl was texting me asking me for help, and she was escort like in our first meet but she was hot so I gave her another chance. So we did a come to Jesus meeting. I told her my job as sugar daddy is fulfill her needs and to make her life better, and her job is to make me feel better with sex and companionship. It is not just money for sex.

Her #1 need was her mother who had horrible anxiety from sleep apnea. We did a test and treatment for her condition, and it was in Colombia which was much cheaper than the USA, and her mother who was having crippling monthly panic attacks now felt better than she had in decades.

Hell, after that, her mother was my #1 fan. "Do not lose this guy" she told her daughter. Of course, she fucked me bareback. Hell, she probably would have given me a kidney because her mother was all the family she had. Any 25 year old going to help a girl's family like that?

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2706491]
Then then WhatsApp convos started. Was feeling really good. Was concentrating on the 4 hottest. Two 9. 5's, and two 8's.

Age range, 22, 23, 25, 33.[/QUOTE]Great report. Sounds like the adventures I have been on.

When you speak of the girl who turned everyone's head, the question is where do you meet these women? In a bar? Good luck with that. Do you really want to meet someone in a bar? How many of those types are alcoholics? You might be able to find them in escort agencies or strip clubs but the character of so many those women are crap.

The only place I was able to consistently meet the occasional 10 types is on seeking, and the amazing part is how some of them are not just drop dead gorgeous but are good people to boot.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2706491]So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

FYI- I tried tinder also. Got a lot of matches, but I found it harder. So need to see how much effort I will put into tinder.[/QUOTE]You cannot compare seeking with tinder, its an altogether diff league.

You can find some amazing gems in Travel girls but even that is no comparison to Seeking.

Have heard some other websites more discreet and expensive but never tried that.

Cheers:

With the Magic Potion Elixir: seeking is a different ball game, absolutely sexy. You feel like a 18 year young boy with the libido, tst levels, stiffness and energy is just amazing.

I've left V, see and any kind of medication and its only MP and few of the fellow Dubai ISG'ians are enjoying like crazy. 100% Organic and only Natural herbs.

Your 18-25 year old SB just hangs on to your dick when she sees the power it has, she feels it is her enigma which is making you horny and hard.

Ciao.

Peace.

Disfruta.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2707298]I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?[/QUOTE]This whole thing we do is a constant risk assessment.

My experience is I go with the flow. My experience is that the younger woman and the woman who are really into you are the ones BB just seems to happen.

My seeking experience is going on 2 weeks and these girls basically looked at like a date, hence the BB no issue.

Then you have pros who's that's part of their client retention program, the pros who charge for it openly, and the pros who put it and pull it out and then say they don't do that and charge for it.

I will tell you in the civilian world, from my experience over last 2 years the girls never mention condoms. It seems they just want to go. I am also surprised by the change.

But 50% of my time is US, 40% Europe, and 10% ROW.

First. I'm surprised at your "they are all ho's" comment. Speaking from a position of considerable experience 80% of the girls I see are genuine, true to their profile, and not ho's in the common use of the term. They will def not just fuck anyone for money. And when it feels like fucking for money they will ghost you. Let's not rehash this discussion. You can think that but it won't make it true. The more time you spend with quality girls on SA I predict you will change your mind. If you are saying there are lots of fakes and posers I agree. I just don't date them.

On the STD one, as someone once said def not best forum for medical advice, but here is the way I see it. And my wife and I don't have sex so I don't have to worry that angle. Medically here is what I beleive but do your own research:

1. The odds of a man catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex are vanishingly small.

2. Syphilis, Gonorrhea, and several others are treatable.

3. Herpes def seems a worry but only transmitted during a visible outbreak.

4. A couple billion people have HSV2 so it's likely you already have it or going to get it.

As far as girls, yes I believe my girls are very low mileage. I'm not naive. My girls might be fucking a small handful of other guys during our time together but they are not like pros having tons of guys. Several of my girls have only had a handful of guys in their lifetime. And yes I believe this to be fact. Unfortunately sometimes their bedroom skills show it. LOL.

That said I was surprised to tally up six bareback girls so far this year. I was trying so hard to keep it just to my three regs. So I ordered an STD kit to checkup. Thanks for the wake-up call.

Recently moved to the UK and working in a Northern town with plenty of Uni students. Every single one of them, from seeking and civvies, have no problem doing BB. It's shocking actually. Condoms really don't seem to be a thing here.

This is a thoughtful response, so thank you for that.

I agree this is not the right place to be trading medical advice. But really what is? This is a community of people who like this hobby. It's the best I know. So thanks for indulging the conversation.

I am actually not scared by aids. Because it's pretty remote possibility in my actions.

Herpes and warts scare me. Because they're so easily transmissible, even when you don't see them, and they last forever. I don't want to be 60 and still paying the price for fun in my forties. It's not true that you need an active case to transmit.

If your read on the situation is right, you get to have your cake and eat it too. That's amazing. And you win.

But if you're wrong just one time.

Again to each his own. I meant this as a discussion not an indictment and I appreciate your sharing your thinking. We all need to compare notes like this. Just to have a range of opinions.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2707571]First. I'm surprised at your "they are all ho's" comment. Speaking from a position of considerable experience 80% of the girls I see are genuine, true to their profile, and not ho's in the common use of the term. They will def not just fuck anyone for money. And when it feels like fucking for money they will ghost you. Let's not rehash this discussion. You can think that but it won't make it true. The more time you spend with quality girls on SA I predict you will change your mind. If you are saying there are lots of fakes and posers I agree. I just don't date them.

On the STD one, as someone once said def not best forum for medical advice, but here is the way I see it. And my wife and I don't have sex so I don't have to worry that angle. Medically here is what I believe but do your own research:

1. The odds of a man catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex are vanishingly small.

2. Syphilis, Gonorrhea, and several others are treatable.

3. Herpes def seems a worry but only transmitted during a visible outbreak.

4. A couple billion people have HSV2 so it's likely you already have it or going to get it.

As far as girls, yes I believe my girls are very low mileage. I'm not naive. My girls might be fucking a small handful of other guys during our time together but they are not like pros having tons of guys. Several of my girls have only had a handful of guys in their lifetime. And yes I believe this to be fact. Unfortunately sometimes their bedroom skills show it. LOL.

That said I was surprised to tally up six bareback girls so far this year. I was trying so hard to keep it just to my three regs. So I ordered an STD kit to checkup. Thanks for the wake-up call.[/QUOTE]

I've had some pretty amazing experiences on SA too. I don't deny that most of these girls are not just escorts masquerading as sugar babies. All of the ones I've met have been true civilians. A factory worker. A student. A waitress. A stay at home girl helping her blind mom. An aspiring dancer. None of them escorts. All of them, well most of them, were great company.

As I've said before, most of them hate Mexican guys because they're boorish. No qualms from me there. I hear the same.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2707365]Who says that 20-25 year old women want to be banging 25 year old men? That is not what I have seen. The women I have talked to said that 25 year old men are insecure, have no money, want to get wasted or play video games, are controlling, lack social skills, and cum too quickly.

One reason I do not like American women is they are more about their friends and how hot / cute a guy is. They fuck a 25 year old for free, show the guy off to their friends, and then the women come to guys like me when they are broke. Latin women care about their families more than anything so if you help their family situation, they are nuts about you.

Keep in mind that so many of these women do not have a father figure in their life. They do not know what it is like to have a friendly and positive male role model in their life. This one girl was texting me asking me for help, and she was escort like in our first meet but she was hot so I gave her another chance. So we did a come to Jesus meeting. I told her my job as sugar daddy is fulfill her needs and to make her life better, and her job is to make me feel better with sex and companionship. It is not just money for sex.

Her #1 need was her mother who had horrible anxiety from sleep apnea. We did a test and treatment for her condition, and it was in Colombia which was much cheaper than the USA, and her mother who was having crippling monthly panic attacks now felt better than she had in decades.

Hell, after that, her mother was my #1 fan. "Do not lose this guy" she told her daughter. Of course, she fucked me bareback. Hell, she probably would have given me a kidney because her mother was all the family she had. Any 25 year old going to help a girl's family like that?[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

Just finishing up a trip to Bogota. Main takeaways are the the girls here are good conversationalists but not lookers. Heavily edited photos. Food is better than MDE and people are more professional / authentic. I'm getting out of here because I can't stand this rain anymore: the.

For those of you who've been to Mexico, what's your take on CDMX vs Guadalajara vs Cancun? It seems like CDMX is the best starting point with most variety but maybe the girls are more flaky than GDL? The girls in Cancun have some impressive optics but the selection is poor and I'm guessing prices are high. Is there anyone who would take GDL over CDMX?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2707349]I dunno.

Regular testing helps? How? It only tells you if you have something. But some of these things. Herpes, hpv, warts. They stick around forever. Getting a test to confirm only tells you what you'the know at that point. Do you already have these things so it's just a matter of avoiding the biggies like aids?

And indirect questions? (BTW "how many guys before me" is not indirect). Trust me if a girl is on SA she's not a coquettish struggling college girl no matter what she says. She is unambiguously selling sex for money, and you are one a line of people that no doubt includes other guys probing to guess their risk level.

To each his own. Really. But to me this would not be worth it. And I love love love me some SA. And escorts when the fancy strikes.[/QUOTE]You asked an honest question and I am giving my honest opinion. This is my approach and I am not telling you that you have to accept my approach to do X or Z. Everyone has their own approach and reasoning.

To me, doing BB is a risk, and if it is a risk then there is a need for risk mitigation, and to me it is all about probabilities. Asking indirect questions allow me to establish the character of the girls and her behavior, and provides me more information to assess this risk. If one is not willing to take this risk, then use protection or better yet, not have sex at all. All the power to having safe sex. This whole discussion of BB is moot.

Also, regular testing is just the best way to take care of oneself if engaging often in such a hobby. Getting early treatment is always better than late or worse, no treatment at all.

I see your point.

I also see we look at this very similarly. We just assign different probabilities and different weights to both positive and negative outcomes. Your assessment of risk potential is lower, with higher perceived upside (value of BB) and lower perceived downside (gunk junk).

Can't hate that. And can't deny you're prob having a magical journey along the way.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2707664]You asked an honest question and I am giving my honest opinion. This is my approach and I am not telling you that you have to accept my approach to do X or Z. Everyone has their own approach and reasoning.

To me, doing BB is a risk, and if it is a risk then there is a need for risk mitigation, and to me it is all about probabilities. Asking indirect questions allow me to establish the character of the girls and her behavior, and provides me more information to assess this risk. If one is not willing to take this risk, then use protection or better yet, not have sex at all. All the power to having safe sex. This whole discussion of BB is moot.

Also, regular testing is just the best way to take care of oneself if engaging often in such a hobby. Getting early treatment is always better than late or worse, no treatment at all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2706491]So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week. [/QUOTE]I had gone to Germany many times prior to covid, but mostly sticking to the FKK scenes. I had my fair share of fun experiences there. Sadly, having read all the negative reports coming out from the FKK threads these days, I find it difficult to justify a trip to Germany now.

Nonetheless, your report are inspiring me to give Germany a second look just for the SA experience.

A few questions about your Germany SA experience.

- Was your meeting with the girls in Frankfurt only or also in other German cities?

- How would you compare the German girls vs the non-German ones that you met there? If I read your report correctly, you had one Ukrainian, one German, and one Russian. I see a joke coming, LOL.

- What is the typical asking price from the SA girls there, assuming in Frankfurt?

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2705036]Is there any concrete theory on which attributes seeking uses when to disconitnue access.

E) Browser & IP address the same as previous access.

Now I'm wondering will I try again with a new email and new card digits, or will I also need a VPN.

Any experience shares?[/QUOTE]The IP could be the problem, since they may have already flagged it. Also clear your cookies and cache, and better yet if you are using Chrome browser, create a new profile from the App and create a new account with a clean slate without existing cookies and cache.

As soon as the account is created, set up your account with 2 FA, use the google mobile app for your 2 FA and stay away from using your cell phone for authentication.

My first account was suspended, because I had mistakenly created an account with my US IP address but was logging in subsequently with a German routed VPN. It got flagged.

Anyway, I sent a nasty email to their tech support, but they wanted verification by wanting me to send them a picture of my government issued ID. That was not going to happen.

So I just created a second account and move on from there.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2705705]I had some successes and failure this trip, but one major step accomplished. My landlord on Airbnb has agreed to deal with me directly, so I cut out the middleman. This will save $100-200 each trip, so those that say I am reckless with my money, maybe you are wrong, just like most of your posts!

I am leaving tomorrow, and will be back Sunday. I wii go work my ass off and return to CDMX.

This place is amazing, you do need to be careful it can get expensive fast. Amazing how some leave this out of there reports.[/QUOTE]Hey Drama, I was making a plan to visit CDMX but the posts over on that board mostly about referrals for escorts seemed like much less fun than SA / Colombia. – no clubs, no SA postings, no places to hang out. I have SA girls waiting for me in BOG and Med. Fricken messaging me and would travel to meet. STILL cdmx sounds much better hearing about it from YOU. And it's ½ the distance and 1/3 the time on a plane with cooler weather than where I am. What's possible for airbnb or reasonable stays in cdmx? Anyone know? That is the other issue about cdmx. Colombia 5 star hotels (Dann Carlton) are $75 or less. I already have 3 weeks booked in Colombia. I could cancel. But those girls are hard to let go. LOL.

Hey Guys.

I have been using sa for sometime now. My experience have been great however I'm looking for countries which have better arrangement options in relation to cost.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2707571]
1. The odds of a man catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex are vanishingly small.

[/QUOTE]Sorry, I do not mean to turn this into a STD discussion, but am really curious and would love to get everyone's opinion on this (And yes I know we are not doctors), but anyway: what are the odds of getting HIV for a guy fucking a HIV confirmed woman without protection with vaginal sex?

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2708234]Sorry, I do not mean to turn this into a STD discussion, but am really curious and would love to get everyone's opinion on this (And yes I know we are not doctors), but anyway: what are the odds of getting HIV for a guy fucking a HIV confirmed woman without protection with vaginal sex?[/QUOTE]There are a lot of factors. Is she bleeding? Higher risk. Is she on medication for HIV? Several studies show no HIV transmission at all if people are on HIV therapy. The studies I have seen with unprotected sex show rates of transmission from zero to one in half a million per sex act. To me, heterosexual HIV transmission is so rare that it is hard to put a number on it, but seeing the studies I have, I would put it at one in thousands to tens of thousands if the woman is HIV +. Again, the amount of virus in someone's blood varies so the risk is theoretically higher in someone with higher HIV levels, and it is going to be a higher risk if you go at it harder such that you have skin abrasions in your penis or for longer due to prolonged virus exposure so it is not an easy thing to calculate. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2707662]
For those of you who've been to Mexico, what's your take on CDMX vs Guadalajara vs Cancun? It seems like CDMX is the best starting point with most variety but maybe the girls are more flaky than GDL? The girls in Cancun have some impressive optics but the selection is poor and I'm guessing prices are high. Is there anyone who would take GDL over CDMX?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2708179]Hey Drama, I was making a plan to visit CDMX but the posts over on that board mostly about referrals for escorts seemed like much less fun than SA / Colombia. no clubs, no SA postings, no places to hang out. I have SA girls waiting for me in BOG and Med. Fricken messaging me and would travel to meet. STILL cdmx sounds much better hearing about it from YOU. And it's the distance and 1/3 the time on a plane with cooler weather than where I am. What's possible for airbnb or reasonable stays in cdmx? Anyone know? That is the other issue about cdmx. Colombia 5 star hotels (Dann Carlton) are $75 or less. I already have 3 weeks booked in Colombia. I could cancel. But those girls are hard to let go. LOL.[/QUOTE]TF, Cancun is more expensive than CDMX which is more expensive than Guadalajara. Cancun has hot women but outside of some studios and the website milerotics, it is USA prices for women. Guadalajara has better P4P options than CDMX, strip clubs, and cheaper hotel rooms. That said, I struck out on SA there. Also, Guadalajara has IMO the hottest women in Mexico but the hotties I saw at the malls and supermarkets did not seem to be available for P4P. I did not stay for long but it would have been an interesting city to network. Also, Puerto Vallarta, which has its own hot P4P scene, is like a 4 hour bus ride away. I had a suite at the FCH hotel for like $60 a night and it was no problem bringing women in.

DC, you are right. There are no strip clubs in Mexico City but there is one sex club with women. For P4P I used laboutiquevip, Twitter, and blog de Busti. As for hotels, you can get Bogota like prices and quality if you stay in Santa Fe, but a lot of women will not travel to you there. My favorite hotel is Barcelo in the Reforma area, and it is less than $100 a night. Look at Barcelo Reforma. IMO it is 5 star, but they have had a varied policy on guests. Precovid, it was no issue with guests. If you do a prolonged stay, maybe you can get a discount.

The real issue with CDMX are the costs of entertaining. Restaurants can be an arm and a leg, and a lot of Mexican men use seeking and have money so you are competing with them. The top women are going to want more and expect to be entertained at least at first. If you are not going for the 10 types though, you can find very attractive women at Bogota prices.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2708234]Sorry, I do not mean to turn this into a STD discussion, but am really curious and would love to get everyone's opinion on this (And yes I know we are not doctors), but anyway: what are the odds of getting HIV for a guy fucking a HIV confirmed woman without protection with vaginal sex?[/QUOTE]One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708276]One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.[/QUOTE]I believe your assessment of catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex is accurate.

I haven't checked the CDC web page in awhile. As recently as a few years ago, they were considering it a common risk in order to scare people into using condoms. That's my opinion.

Studies have proven out that the risk is negligible.

BloodRed don't apologize for being his topic. It's an occupational hazard in our line of work and we to share intel to minimize risk and maximize productivity. Heheh.

Yeah HIV is actually hard to get like Steve said. At the risk of being graphic it's more common among gays because there's more breaking of flesh in their line of work.

Your bigger risks are the ones that are bad but treatable, or not as bad but incurable. Those are the ones I personally put on the jimmy for. I want my Johnson coming home in the same condition I brought it on my little excursions. So far so good though I know there's always that chance. But we take whatever precautions we each deem prudent and practical, even if our opinions differ somewhat on what those precautions should be.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708276]One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2708251]TF, Cancun is more expensive than CDMX which is more expensive than Guadalajara. Cancun has hot women but outside of some studios and the website milerotics, it is USA prices for women. Guadalajara has better P4P options than CDMX, strip clubs, and cheaper hotel rooms. That said, I struck out on SA there. Also, Guadalajara has IMO the hottest women in Mexico but the hotties I saw at the malls and supermarkets did not seem to be available for P4P. I did not stay for long but it would have been an interesting city to network. Also, Puerto Vallarta, which has its own hot P4P scene, is like a 4 hour bus ride away. I had a suite at the FCH hotel for like $60 a night and it was no problem bringing women in.

DC, you are right. There are no strip clubs in Mexico City but there is one sex club with women. For P4P I used laboutiquevip, Twitter, and blog de Busti. As for hotels, you can get Bogota like prices and quality if you stay in Santa Fe, but a lot of women will not travel to you there. My favorite hotel is Barcelo in the Reforma area, and it is less than $100 a night. Look at Barcelo Reforma. IMO it is 5 star, but they have had a varied policy on guests. Precovid, it was no issue with guests. If you do a prolonged stay, maybe you can get a discount.

The real issue with CDMX are the costs of entertaining. Restaurants can be an arm and a leg, and a lot of Mexican men use seeking and have money so you are competing with them. The top women are going to want more and expect to be entertained at least at first. If you are not going for the 10 types though, you can find very attractive women at Bogota prices.[/QUOTE]Totally correct, I liked GDL, but I also totally struck out there. Strip Clubs are nice, but expensive, GDL is super cheap minus the flight. I think a lot of the High End single girls in GDL, travel to Beaches, CDMX and Tijuana frequently. Before Covid there was a lot of international money and tourist in GDL, so that might be a factor as well, but I had trouble meeting high head girls in GDL. I was just in Tijuana and met 2 super hot girls from GDL, but when I was traveling there frequently that was not the case, honestly it was kind of hard there. MTY, CDMX and Tijuana are better. For life maybe GDL, but it is a really slow pace of life there.

In CDMX I order soup at the Restaurants and drink at home before I go, to keep costs down, Hell I am even thinking about taking my own alcohol in. That being said just amazing experience, but I think a lot of the High Rollers funds will be drying up soon, with economies in decline, so things might get a little cheaper.

If I had the time, I might try the beach, but I prefer the cities, much less competition.

Just googled it up and saw some studies supporting this.

I had always thought "I have unprotected sex with HIV +ve person, I get it. For sure".

How ignorant of me!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708276]One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2708634]Just googled it up and saw some studies supporting this.

I had always thought "I have unprotected sex with HIV +ve person, I get it. For sure".[/QUOTE]Your dick skin has pores, that means it is porous. HIV goes into skin pores and you get it. Enters thru scratches, cuts, nicks from shaving pubic hair.

I've had some good success with seeking here in my home town in the past few weeks. Usually when I've joined seeking I send messages to everyone vaguely suitable in my area. This time I have sent limited messages just enough to have a good number of meet and greets and hookups. I have a few potentials on the hook and that is going well.

I got busy with a few girls and lost some focus on a few girls that seem nice. Conversation was good, we both just lost the connection. I got busy getting a morning BJ from my breakfast meet and greet. The other SB potentials are probably busy with my competing SDs.

Also to summarize a couple of good strategies that are working:

When she asks, what's on offer, PPM etc. Taking it off seeking to WhatsApp, and then not discussing until the meet and greet.

When she asks what Am I expected in an arrangement?. Turning it around and saying, its more polite if I ask you what you are expecting. I don't comment on it, then get them for a meet and greet.

What is a good come back line to re-open my stalled conversations? A way to let them know to message me when they have stopped fucking the other SDs.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2708318]BloodRed don't apologize for being his topic. It's an occupational hazard in our line of work and we to share intel to minimize risk and maximize productivity. Heheh.

Yeah HIV is actually hard to get like Steve said. At the risk of being graphic it's more common among gays because there's more breaking of flesh in their line of work.

Your bigger risks are the ones that are bad but treatable, or not as bad but incurable. Those are the ones I personally put on the jimmy for. I want my Johnson coming home in the same condition I brought it on my little excursions. So far so good though I know there's always that chance. But we take whatever precautions we each deem prudent and practical, even if our opinions differ somewhat on what those precautions should be.[/QUOTE]While the risk of getting HIV from an HIV infected individual through unprotected vaginal sex is immensely low only if that person manages their HIV with medication and has an undetectable viral count, there are several conditions that will significantly increase the risk of HIV transmission from an HIV infected individual.

First and foremost, unprotected anal sex is the highest cause of HIV transmission. In other words the risk is immensely high (and I wouldn't personally partake in this).

In vaginal sex, however, if the female has HIV and either doesn't know it, and or doesn't manage it and has an immensely high viral load then the risk is 10 times higher.

In vaginal sex, if the women has a secondary STI, such as gonorrhea or chlamydia or other venereal disease, concomitant with HIV then the risk of HIV infection increases almost 100 fold (assuming she has a detectable viral load).

So there is a risk, and it does depend on the female as to whether or not she is aware she is HIV infected and if she is managing her viral load by adhering to medication. Also if she has multiple partners she BBFS, then there is a chance she might have a secondary infection which immensely increases the risk of transmission.

It all depends on your risk tolerance and risk mitigation.

So this trip is going great and I will be back either Saturday or Sunday. I have been Video Chatting before all me meetings, makes a big difference. So I had a great morning session, with a girl I met from previous trips. Very good looking I had a lunch meeting, I was really excited about from her pictures, but I ran out of time to Video Chat, her pictures were amazing so I was not worried. I have a great apartment, but Uber has trouble finding it on the GPS, so I ask her to meet me at a nearby Grocery store, none of the other girls had a problem, but she did. She keeps texting me, and complaining, finally she agrees, but I am little frustrated. I show up, Holly Shit she is at least 6 months pregnant. Hell no, I say nice meeting you and Goodbye. It has been a great trip, so much fun and I am meeting great girls and having amazing sex.

As I thought, I did not Text the model for a week and I get a birthday message. Looks like we will meet again, but she is not top on my priority list, there are so many Hot Chicks in CDMX, but there is no middle ground. MTY I had an issue with the Parents especially the mom's here it is the stupid dogs. All the girls have dogs and it just creates more drama, but they do not realize this.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2708645]Your dick skin has pores, that means it is porous. HIV goes into skin pores and you get it. Enters thru scratches, cuts, nicks from shaving pubic hair.[/QUOTE]HIV cannot be transmitted thru unbroken skin. That pores stuff is utter nonsense. Look it up.

Everyone has his own strategy. But I can't imagine not talking about what my expectations are before the meet up. I would not want to waste my time. You see how many girls on SA say they aren't looking for intimacy, or not right away? Hell naw. I say right up front that my expectation is dinner and a few hours at my place after. I think it's clear I don't mean Netflix. I've never once regretted being direct. It's always paid off. Even when the girl says she's looking for something else, great thanks for not wasting either of our time.

To that other dude who showed up to the girl who was 6 months pregnant, damn dawg. Sorry. That's bad on her. Not sure how she thought that was going to play out but whatever she thought she was dumb. Unless a dude had a pregnant chick fetish. Which I just do not understand and cannot relate to.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2708647]I've had some good success with seeking here in my home town in the past few weeks. Usually when I've joined seeking I send messages to everyone vaguely suitable in my area. This time I have sent limited messages just enough to have a good number of meet and greets and hookups. I have a few potentials on the hook and that is going well.

I got busy with a few girls and lost some focus on a few girls that seem nice. Conversation was good, we both just lost the connection. I got busy getting a morning BJ from my breakfast meet and greet. The other SB potentials are probably busy with my competing SDs.

Also to summarize a couple of good strategies that are working:

When she asks, what's on offer, PPM etc. Taking it off seeking to WhatsApp, and then not discussing until the meet and greet.

When she asks what Am I expected in an arrangement?. Turning it around and saying, its more polite if I ask you what you are expecting. I don't comment on it, then get them for a meet and greet.

What is a good come back line to re-open my stalled conversations? A way to let them know to message me when they have stopped fucking the other SDs.[/QUOTE]

He might have a point, Steve. We all have an aperture.

If cum can go out, virus can get in.

Just a thought. Not trying to argue here as none of us are doctors.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708807]HIV cannot be transmitted thru unbroken skin. That pores stuff is utter nonsense. Look it up.[/QUOTE]

It's funny because I thought once I had a set of girls in the various cities I visit I'the be super happy. But here I am with girls in at least 6 cities where I can meetup on a moments notice and it will be comfortable amazing girlfriend sex. But it's killed my daily life!

I used to spend a few hours a day researching and chatting up hotties. Now I am totally smitten with my home girl. No local research needed. And literally everywhere I might go at the moment also sown up. Even my upcoming trip I wasn't so thrilled with the selection and flying Sylvia in. But that's killed the daily browsing!

It's funny. I guess a guy is never satisfied. But I find myself a bit bored having a girl in every port. LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708807]HIV cannot be transmitted thru unbroken skin. That pores stuff is utter nonsense. Look it up.[/QUOTE]That cannot be said for anything oral since gums can bleed. But saliva and stomach acid do protect against the virus.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2708807]HIV cannot be transmitted thru unbroken skin. That pores stuff is utter nonsense. Look it up.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on the pores. The end of of penis is a mucous membrane and if vaginal fluid is allowed to seep into the mucous membrane for a long enough time, transmission can occur. This is why most heterosexual transmission to men occur among married men having unprotected sex with a wife. They often roll over and go to sleep. Any washing of the penis within a reasonable period of time eliminates the risk, which modt Johns and Sugar Daddies do. Countries with relatively higher circumcising rates and more frequent showering have lower HIV rates among heterosexual married men. The seeping in period reportedly takes a long time for a penis, much longer than the vagina or the anus.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is PreP, the pre exposure prophylactic. If I knew I was going to bb different women I'the get on it to reduce the risk of catching HIV. I'm pretty sure it's the same drugs they put HIV positive people on to keep the virus levels low enough where it's undetectable. You have to take it every day but small cost for some peace of mind. I took PeP, the post exposure drugs, for a month after bb'ing an escort. That freaked me out pretty good so I got the drugs just to put my mind at ease.

I've only bb one girl from SA out of 8. I was a little worried after about HIV but got a test 6 weeks later and was neg. I was more worried that she lied about the pill since she let me cip.

There were 2 others that offered but one had a drug habit and one looked pretty trashy so I put the rubber on. I try to do at least a urine test once a month for chlyamidia and gonorrhea.

Do you guys think being a younger guy, early 30's, looks mid / late 20's though is harder on SA? I've gotten comments I'm younger, some girls say it's a plus and filter out guys over 45 but I'm not having crazy experiences like you guy are describing.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2709069]It's funny because I thought once I had a set of girls in the various cities I visit I'the be super happy. But here I am with girls in at least 6 cities where I can meetup on a moments notice and it will be comfortable amazing girlfriend sex. But it's killed my daily life!

I used to spend a few hours a day researching and chatting up hotties. Now I am totally smitten with my home girl. No local research needed. And literally everywhere I might go at the moment also sown up. Even my upcoming trip I wasn't so thrilled with the selection and flying Sylvia in. But that's killed the daily browsing!

It's funny. I guess a guy is never satisfied. But I find myself a bit bored having a girl in every port. LOL.[/QUOTE]We are Hunters mate: never stop hunting and meet the regulars only once a month maximum. Will keep them on the edge to meet you and be with you, see the passion they have.

New pussy is always interesting and intriguing so never stop that Quest.

Cheers.

Peace.

Disfruta.

I Miss the Chicas in Latin America: wish I come back:

Ciao.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2709291]Do you guys think being a younger guy, early 30's, looks mid / late 20's though is harder on SA? I've gotten comments I'm younger, some girls say it's a plus and filter out guys over 45 but I'm not having crazy experiences like you guy are describing.[/QUOTE]IMO it's all about confidence and charisma. When I was in my thirties I looked better but probably had about 25% of the confidence and charisma I have now later in life. And it develops more and more with each date. I think back to my early first 10-20 dates and how I was much more unsure. And while the dates generally went well I couldn't sweep a girl off her feet like I can now. I can think of five dates offhand that would have gone totally differently if the current me was on those dates.

A couple other thoughts. Just let it flow and don't give one fuck about what others think. Like dancing. I used to be intimidated to be at a club with a ton of twenty somethings and dancing with my girl. Thifany changed my life. Now I dance like a madman with no fucks to give and girls love being a part of that confidence. Just go for it and don't look back.

Second I highly recommend Nanpa (Japanese pick up game) to increase your confidence. Just search "Attraction Japan Playbook". I learned so much about how women think and how to flow a date and stuff that now is second nature. And honestly it's not like some set of slick moves where you are tricking a girl or something. It's just adjusting your style in a way that women find very attractive.

Hope this helps some.

P.S. for all: No more OT STD talk please? Let's focus on those amazing SBs!

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So was in SFO and Sonoma this week and tried SA. Got some decent leads and a few wanted to meet. They made it very clear it was $800-1 K per meet. The lowest was at $500 and she was so DTF. The high priced girls were hot 8. 5-9. 0 but didn't want to chance it.

The $500 girl was a 6. 5-7 in real life. I was not attracted to her, but she made me horny with our conversation and drinking. So I brought her back to the room. 2 rounds, CIP both and face fuck between. She wanted to stay the whole night but I asked her to leave after 3 hrs. She was 40 yr, listed at 28, looked 40 in real life. She told me she was recently laid off and divorced, who knows. I believe it, because was intelligent and well dressed.

Didn't have time for more because of work. I think a hot escort would have been better.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2709363]IMO it's all about confidence and charisma. When I was in my thirties I looked better but probably had about 25% of the confidence and charisma I have now later in life. And it develops more and more with each date. I think back to my early first 10-20 dates and how I was much more unsure. And while the dates generally went well I couldn't sweep a girl off her feet like I can now. I can think of five dates offhand that would have gone totally differently if the current me was on those dates.

A couple other thoughts. Just let it flow and don't give one fuck about what others think. Like dancing. I used to be intimidated to be at a club with a ton of twenty somethings and dancing with my girl. Thifany changed my life. Now I dance like a madman with no fucks to give and girls love being a part of that confidence. Just go for it and don't look back.

Second I highly recommend Nanpa (Japanese pick up game) to increase your confidence. Just search "Attraction Japan Playbook". I learned so much about how women think and how to flow a date and stuff that now is second nature. And honestly it's not like some set of slick moves where you are tricking a girl or something. It's just adjusting your style in a way that women find very attractive.

Hope this helps some.

P.S. for all: No more OT STD talk please? Let's focus on those amazing SBs![/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll look into nanpa. I'll be in london the next few weeks and have been hitting up girls but it's a lot of work. May just use diva instead since you've recommended so many steve.

I keep getting girls from SA who would proclaim that they were either robbed, drained of funds, etc etc at a statistically high frequency. A ploy to try play into your pity with the hope of soliciting help. Yeah right.

In any case, this is the time when I would have my spidey sense up and either ignore them completely or block their sorry ass.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2709467]So was in SFO and Sonoma this week and tried SA. Got some decent leads and a few wanted to meet. They made it very clear it was $800-1 K per meet. The lowest was at $500 and she was so DTF. The high priced girls were hot 8. 5-9. 0 but didn't want to chance it.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yeah, and I am getting shit in the Colombia forms because I spend $1200 total on my gal in Colombia for a month. And I know my girl is better looking and better in bed then anyone I would meet from the site in California. When I hear a girl is from California, I almost marked her off my list mentally because I assumed the amount she would want would be sky high.

The one good thing about California though is that it is close to Mexico. One other plus in the past was it used to be the capital of desirable porn stars but now like three in four porn stars are fat and asking for $2000. Occasionally you will see a porn star on SA, but I cannot imagine how much they would want now.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2711720]I keep getting girls from SA who would proclaim that they were either robbed, drained of funds, etc etc at a statistically high frequency. A ploy to try play into your pity with the hope of soliciting help. Yeah right.

In any case, this is the time when I would have my spidey sense up and either ignore them completely or block their sorry ass.[/QUOTE]I know that there are times in the USA that I would get so few hits that helping one of these women was something I considered. It is always a bad idea. You may as well flush your money down the toilet. IMO if they ask for money up front, you block them and move on to the next. If things are not going well for you in the USA, try fishing in a different pond. Not only did I get great leads in Mexico, I was talking with some hotties in Canada. That country might be worth looking at more now that the Covid hysteria is down.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2711803] If things are not going well for you in the USA, try fishing in a different pond. Not only did I get great leads in Mexico, I was talking with some hotties in Canada. That country might be worth looking at more now that the Covid hysteria is down.[/QUOTE]I have given up on the US. I have pretty good experiences in Colombia and having a blast with all these college girls now that many of them are on their break. Tempted to check out CDMX next time since there are some positive postings from some members. Canada is interesting. Which cities would you suggest, though I reckon their ppm will not come cheap.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2711931]I have given up on the US.[/QUOTE]Me too. Although, I have only used it in the US LOL! And traveling overseas, I doubt I would use Seeking in favor of other things I already know that I like, and that work for me. But, with respect to this, never say never!

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2711931]I have given up on the US. I have pretty good experiences in Colombia and having a blast with all these college girls now that many of them are on their break. Tempted to check out CDMX next time since there are some positive postings from some members. Canada is interesting. Which cities would you suggest, though I reckon their ppm will not come cheap.[/QUOTE]M.

CDMX is the best, but more long term game. Just got from 4 days of so much fun. Heading back Saturday.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2711801]LOL. Yeah, and I am getting shit in the Colombia forms because I spend $1200 total on my gal in Colombia for a month. And I know my girl is better looking and better in bed then anyone I would meet from the site in California. When I hear a girl is from California, I almost marked her off my list mentally because I assumed the amount she would want would be sky high.

The one good thing about California though is that it is close to Mexico. One other plus in the past was it used to be the capital of desirable porn stars but now like three in four porn stars are fat and asking for $2000. Occasionally you will see a porn star on SA, but I cannot imagine how much they would want now.[/QUOTE]I would not listen to most of the guys on the Colombian page, most are very cheap and just angry dudes, in fact I would probably do the opposite. Same with some of the guys on CDMX, they are just jealous because you are not using there girls, and having more fun, but they claim they get no compensation. Do what makes you happy, do not listen to the haters.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2711931]Canada is interesting. Which cities would you suggest, though I reckon their ppm will not come cheap.[/QUOTE]Canada has weird prostitution laws. From what I gather, it is illegal to buy sex but not illegal to sell it. [URL]https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/c36faq/[/URL].

The net effect though is that you have all these websites with women listing prices unlike the USA. Because of their weird law, there is not the stigma with selling yourself that the USA has. Still, I have to wonder how much enforcement of this law is going on. I doubt there is too much of it.

Thing is that you have USA prices in British Colombia but they go down the further you head East. I would not bother with anywhere but Toronto or Montreal then. Where I was getting the hits though was Montreal. Thing is they are escort agencies like Vogue, EscortsXO, and Euporia girls where you have stunningly beautiful women going for like $160 to $180 USA for an hour. Given that rate and there not being as much negative stigma with selling yourself for sex, I had several responses when I sent PMs to women in Montreal even very attractive ones. Thing is I was doing so well with the escorts I did not invest the time into SA at that point. It was not just the quality but when you go these agencies, you see dozens of stunning women, so the quantity is there as well.

Also, and this is just my opinion and you can take it for what it is worth, the women of Quebec are mostly of French origin and Catholic, and I saw more of that traditional female role in the women there which makes for a better sugar baby IMO. The women in Toronto are a melting pot from all over the world but the native Canadian women were cut from the same feminist thread as most American women. And this is women of protestant origin I guess. I felt a sense of tension with these women like they hated themselves for being escorts of sugar babies whereas the women of Quebec were pretty much always upbeat.

It is funny when you look at it that way. All the best mongering countries I have been to (Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia) are mostly Catholic. It looks like the only country and religion that can compete is Thailand and Buddhism. I never asked about religion when interviewing a SB. Maybe I should have. He he.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2712081]It is funny when you look at it that way. All the best mongering countries I have been to (Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia) are mostly Catholic. It looks like the only country and religion that can compete is Thailand and Buddhism. I never asked about religion when interviewing a SB. Maybe I should have. He he.[/QUOTE]Brazil (Catholic) is my number one, but Germany (Protestant) is my number two. That said, the majority of the girls working in Germany are from eastern Europe bringing a mix of catholicism, protestantism, and eastern orthodoxy. I've even had Muslim poon tang over there! So, I guess you can get some of everything in Germany hehehe! By the way, my number two destination in Europe for a long time was Spain (solid Catholic). You're definitely on to it!

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2709467]So was in SFO and Sonoma this week and tried SA. Got some decent leads and a few wanted to meet. They made it very clear it was $800-1 K per meet. The lowest was at $500 and she was so DTF. The high priced girls were hot 8. 5-9. 0 but didn't want to chance it.

The $500 girl was a 6. 5-7 in real life. I was not attracted to her, but she made me horny with our conversation and drinking. So I brought her back to the room. 2 rounds, CIP both and face fuck between. She wanted to stay the whole night but I asked her to leave after 3 hrs. She was 40 yr, listed at 28, looked 40 in real life. She told me she was recently laid off and divorced, who knows. I believe it, because was intelligent and well dressed.

Didn't have time for more because of work. I think a hot escort would have been better.[/QUOTE]I was most active on SA while I was living and working in SF. And yeah, there are lots of divorced women on there. They are struggling to pay their crazy high rent in the SF Bay area. I actually liked most of them. It was a nice change of pace. I found most divorced women to provde good GFE.

But SF is a craxy scene for SA. When I finally got to meet some of the SBs on there, they always told me that they get hundreds of messages a day on SA, and I believed them, given how active SA is in SF. The SDs don't have much of the upper hand.

I am curious if the AMP scene and the red light district scene are still active. I used to go to the AMPS about 3 times per week. Quality was really good.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2711931]Canada is interesting. Which cities would you suggest, though I reckon their ppm will not come cheap.[/QUOTE]Try Niagara Falls and surrounding area. I was surprised at how active SA is there. Lots of hourly workers there, working in the tourism industry, and always looking for ways to make some extra cash.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2712073]I would not listen to most of the guys on the Colombian page, most are very cheap and just angry dudes, in fact I would probably do the opposite.

Do what makes you happy, do not listen to the haters.[/QUOTE]This actually turns out to be better. They stick to their own playground and I stay in my own play area without the need of any extra competition I guess. That's why I never want to discuss pricing in that forum since there are many egos at play. I do what I like that makes me happy.

Currently enjoying all these SA girls in Bogota. Time and energy are probably something that I might not have enough of.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2712073]I would not listen to most of the guys on the Colombian page, most are very cheap and just angry dudes, in fact I would probably do the opposite. Same with some of the guys on CDMX, they are just jealous because you are not using there girls, and having more fun, but they claim they get no compensation. Do what makes you happy, do not listen to the haters.[/QUOTE]The CDMX and Medellin forums are probably the worst. I like to keep abreast of what is going on in Colombia so I read them, but at one point, I got frustrated and made this post.

There is a culture on the Medellin forum, and you are asking for consistency in the results. And here is what the rules are:

1. All women are working girls.

2. The only thing women want us for is money.

3. Anyone sending any money to a Colombian woman for any reason is a sucker.

4. They want to spend time with their novios (boyfriends) not you.

5. The women in centro are as fine as anywhere else.

6. All Colombian women are scammers. A Colombian lawyer or doctor is just as likely to use scopolamine on you as a street girl.

7. Because the women really want to be with their novios, dress like a Colombian. You get better prices that way.

8. Anything over $15 or 60,000 COP and you massively overpaid.

9. All women are in equal demand.

10. All women in Medellin are equally beautiful and good in bed so paying more for one makes no sense.

One thing I can assure you of is that if you follow these rules you will be hugely disappointed and be fucking fat and ugly women which I guess is the point. The guys who cement this culture do not want anyone doing better than them.

Maybe it is because of the drug trade in the past, but Medellin certainly has more of a ho culture than other Colombian cities. That said, I met women there who knew about the ho culture and went out of their way to prove they were not part of it.

But anyone who wants a great time and to fuck truly beautiful and great performing women, you had best throw those 10 rules in the trash.

End.

Funny thing is this is from one one of the guys I was talking about.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2705626]Elvis had a list of straw men going and you took up the mantle. There's really no basis for pride in paying hookers, though hopefully one enjoys themselves. What I do is find casa and Centro strip club girls, enjoy them there, then ones I especially like I invite to a nice love motel in Laureles. And I'll say for the 1001st time, the Centro casa and strip club girls are from the same handful of lower tier neighborhoods as your "higher end" providers. It's all perception, maybe some nicer clothes for the latter but at the end of the day they are all the same. As to the bragging, I mostly see that from the guys paying more who think they have game, think they have a girlfriend, think it's smart to send Western Unions, think their girls are seeing fewer guys than most, whatever. It's your fantasy. Enjoy it.[/QUOTE]This is typical writing on the Medellin forum. A guy trashes me and then agrees with much of what I wrote. LOL.

One weird / nice thing about Colombia is that the cities are rated on their wealth, and the rich ones pay higher taxes. And if you are looking for an arrangement, IMO it makes sense to focus on the women from nicer neighborhoods where long term means years not tomorrow.

All the "experts" on the Medellin forum are chasing women from an American neighborhood like Watts, Harlem, or the South side of Chicago. Not only do the guys on the forum not believe such women are available from the nicer places in Colombia, they call anyone a liar who believes they exist. Admitting that would knock them from their pedestal of being Colombia experts. That is why it is best to just shrug them off and ignore them if you are using seeking.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2712280]This actually turns out to be better. They stick to their own playground and I stay in my own play area without the need of any extra competition I guess. That's why I never want to discuss pricing in that forum since there are many egos at play. I do what I like that makes me happy.[/QUOTE]This made me laugh because it's so true.

Without mentioning any specific city, there are a few guys spread across ISG who try to gaslight other members into thinking their vastly overpaying. We're not going to the right venues where the "locals" or frequent visitors know to go. Or we don't know how to negotiate.

I've literally seen newer members get intimidated and stop posting. One situation was a thoughtful new member actually "rode shotgun" with a local in-country. He posted that he was a bit underwhelmed with the talent he found elsewhere in the city. Needless to say, this guy unfortunately became a target for abuse.

I might be a stupid gringo, but I think "cream rises to the top". The hotter girls even in less developed countries charge more and / or wind up in venues where there's a premium.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2712081]
Thing is that you have USA prices in British Colombia but they go down the further you head East. I would not bother with anywhere but Toronto or Montreal then. Where I was getting the hits though was Montreal. Thing is they are escort agencies like Vogue, EscortsXO, and Euporia girls where you have stunningly beautiful women going for like $160 to $180 USA for an hour. Given that rate and there not being as much negative stigma with selling yourself for sex, I had several responses when I sent PMs to women in Montreal even very attractive ones. Thing is I was doing so well with the escorts I did not invest the time into SA at that point. It was not just the quality but when you go these agencies, you see dozens of stunning women, so the quantity is there as well.

[/QUOTE]Would these be incall or outcall rates? In any case, these are not too bad and it will be much better if it is priced in CAD. It is definitely an option especially if they provide the GF experience. Of course, the only thing that could potentially separate out professional escorts and SA girls are the BB treatment. I would be too chicken to ever do BB with the pros.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2712312]Would these be incall or outcall rates? In any case, these are not too bad and it will be much better if it is priced in CAD. It is definitely an option especially if they provide the GF experience. Of course, the only thing that could potentially separate out professional escorts and SA girls are the BB treatment. I would be too chicken to ever do BB with the pros.[/QUOTE]Canadian rate is 200 to 250 but looks like most now are charging the higher end.

[URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/models[/URL]

[URL]https://www.euphoriagirls.com/models[/URL]

[URL]https://www.vogue-escorts.com/ladies/[/URL]#_escort-ladies.

Incall and outcall are available but it depends on the agency and the girl.

Agency girls were pretty stuck on protection as you can imagine.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2712081]Thing is that you have USA prices in British Colombia but they go down the further you head East. I would not bother with anywhere but Toronto or Montreal then. Where I was getting the hits though was Montreal. Thing is they are escort agencies like Vogue, EscortsXO, and Euporia girls where you have stunningly beautiful women going for like $160 to $180 USA for an hour. Given that rate and there not being as much negative stigma with selling yourself for sex, I had several responses when I sent PMs to women in Montreal even very attractive ones. Thing is I was doing so well with the escorts I did not invest the time into SA at that point. It was not just the quality but when you go these agencies, you see dozens of stunning women, so the quantity is there as well.

Also, and this is just my opinion and you can take it for what it is worth, the women of Quebec are mostly of French origin and Catholic, and I saw more of that traditional female role in the women there which makes for a better sugar baby IMO. The women in Toronto are a melting pot from all over the world but the native Canadian women were cut from the same feminist thread as most American women. And this is women of protestant origin I guess. I felt a sense of tension with these women like they hated themselves for being escorts of sugar babies whereas the women of Quebec were pretty much always upbeat.

It is funny when you look at it that way. All the best mongering countries I have been to (Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia) are mostly Catholic. It looks like the only country and religion that can compete is Thailand and Buddhism. I never asked about religion when interviewing a SB. Maybe I should have. He he.[/QUOTE]The Canadian mongering scene is quite robust, but venues like massage parlors are still subtle about what's on offer. I've met some beautiful white Canadian escorts who were good performers. I really have no preference in seeking white women. I've done my tours of Asia and Latin America. It just seemed right for me to seek out a different type of woman. Anyway, you can find any type of women in Canada particularly Toronto. Toronto also has some very fine black providers. Several who seem to have Caribbean roots.

As far as escort prices, Montreal has inched up a bit since COVID so that range might be more USA dollars 185-200. Toronto is more expensive with some of the top agency girls topping out at USA dollars 230. The top independents can push into an even higher level.

If we use Steve's benchmark of sugar babies pricing out at about what an escort costs, Canadian dollars 300 should be a good place to start in Montreal. I don't know for sure if that price works. You probably will get some push back in Toronto. As it so happens on ISG, some of the Seeking posts spill into the city forums. An ISG gent recently tried Seeking in Montreal. He had a great long date, but he got a distinct "pro" vibe. That can happen. In the end, he seemed to simply be happy with the Montreal "pro" scene.

You make an interesting point about mongering and Catholic cultures. It might be due to the relative income levels in Latin America. And yes, I've heard that French-Canadian women assume a more traditional role. Having been to Canada several times, in my opinion the mongering scene and its acceptance resembles Northern Europe. Montreal might have more liberal attitudes when it comes to sex, but I have met escorts originating from all over Canada. As you move into the Western provinces, you start to see that frontier libertarianism.

As far as Quebecois sexual attitudes, I will make a historical observation that most everyone will understand. Both Quebec and Brazil were initially colonized by French and Portuguese men respectively without European women.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2712309]This made me laugh because it's so true.

Without mentioning any specific city, there are a few guys spread across ISG who try to gaslight other members into thinking their vastly overpaying. We're not going to the right venues where the "locals" or frequent visitors know to go. Or we don't know how to negotiate.

I've literally seen newer members get intimidated and stop posting. One situation was a thoughtful new member actually "rode shotgun" with a local in-country. He posted that he was a bit underwhelmed with the talent he found elsewhere in the city. Needless to say, this guy unfortunately became a target for abuse.

I might be a stupid gringo, but I think "cream rises to the top". The hotter girls even in less developed countries charge more and / or wind up in venues where there's a premium.[/QUOTE]So true. These guys get upset if you do choose there girls or do not listen to their ridiculous advise. Also, they are the first to ask for your girls contact information, why would I do this for someone I have never met. I work hard at building rapport with these girls and many I would consider are close friends. This is the last thing I would do. Also, the minute you disagree or call them out, they cry foul and complain.

Additionally, Some of these guys get off posting pictures of girls, again I would never do this. At a minimum they should black out there faces, but they are trying to look cool to there friends that do the same dumb thing. I would never ask any of these guys for help or advice.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2712379]As far as Quebecois sexual attitudes, I will make a historical observation that most everyone will understand. Both Quebec and Brazil were initially colonized by French and Portuguese men respectively without European women.[/QUOTE]I remember AltoBomGusto (may God rest his soul) one night in São Paulo giving me a long history lesson about sex in Brazil with a similar rationale. Catholicism also has the sacrament of confession, where you can be absolved of your sins but Protestants have to carry that shit around for eternity. Catholics have a history twice as long too, so they have more practical experience with sins of the flesh (food and drink too). Protestants equate temperance, one of the ancient virtues with abstinence.

Hb.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2712297]The CDMX and Medellin forums are probably the worst. I like to keep abreast of what is going on in Colombia so I read them, but at one point, I got frustrated and made this post.

There is a culture on the Medellin forum, and you are asking for consistency in the results. And here is what the rules are:

1. All women are working girls.

2. The only thing women want us for is money.

3. Anyone sending any money to a Colombian woman for any reason is a sucker.

4. They want to spend time with their novios (boyfriends) not you.

5. The women in centro are as fine as anywhere else.

6. All Colombian women are scammers. A Colombian lawyer or doctor is just as likely to use scopolamine on you as a street girl.

7. Because the women really want to be with their novios, dress like a Colombian. You get better prices that way.

8. Anything over $15 or 60,000 COP and you massively overpaid.

9. All women are in equal demand.

10. All women in Medellin are equally beautiful and good in bed so paying more for one makes no sense.

One thing I can assure you of is that if you follow these rules you will be hugely disappointed and be fucking fat and ugly women which I guess is the point. The guys who cement this culture do not want anyone doing better than them.

Maybe it is because of the drug trade in the past, but Medellin certainly has more of a ho culture than other Colombian cities. That said, I met women there who knew about the ho culture and went out of their way to prove they were not part of it.

But anyone who wants a great time and to fuck truly beautiful and great performing women, you had best throw those 10 rules in the trash.

End.

Funny thing is this is from one one of the guys I was talking about.

This is typical writing on the Medellin forum. A guy trashes me and then agrees with much of what I wrote. LOL.

One weird / nice thing about Colombia is that the cities are rated on their wealth, and the rich ones pay higher taxes. And if you are looking for an arrangement, IMO it makes sense to focus on the women from nicer neighborhoods where long term means years not tomorrow.

All the "experts" on the Medellin forum are chasing women from an American neighborhood like Watts, Harlem, or the South side of Chicago. Not only do the guys on the forum not believe such women are available from the nicer places in Colombia, they call anyone a liar who believes they exist. Admitting that would knock them from their pedestal of being Colombia experts. That is why it is best to just shrug them off and ignore them if you are using seeking.[/QUOTE]Great post, as I said, I usually do the opposite of most of the guys on the MDE or CDMX page. Especially the guys on MDE page, they are just completely wrong. Along with your list, they brush over the drug issues and violence, like it is not an problem.

I would never go back to MDE the place is horrible, but I do believe you and couple of guys that I respect that Bogota is a much better option. I am having so much fun in CDMX and meeting quality / beautiful girls, no reason to change. I am heading back tomorrow. At the end I was basically meeting 6/7's in MTY. At the beginning of Covid I had met sone 8-9's, but that was not the case at the end.

CDMX has so many opportunities and so much fun. Also, where I stay I can walk almost everywhere, another plus. Most of the girls I meet are college educated and can speak basic English. I guarantee you will not get this with street girls.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2712421]So true. These guys get upset if you do choose there girls or do not listen to their ridiculous advise. Also, they are the first to ask for your girls contact information, why would I do this for someone I have never met. I work hard at building rapport with these girls and many I would consider are close friends. This is the last thing I would do. Also, the minute you disagree or call them out, they cry foul and complain.

Additionally, Some of these guys get off posting pictures of girls, again I would never do this. At a minimum they should black out there faces, but they are trying to look cool to there friends that do the same dumb thing. I would never ask any of these guys for help or advice.[/QUOTE]I call those folks Cheap Charlies. They exist in most forums. Mongering is not cheap, but if you are successful, you can afford it. It may cost you plenty if you get caught. The cheap folks settle for what they can get. Free is always good for them. They waste days thinking their guile gets them the girl. I find that quality costs, but it is worth it. The question is if you can afford it. If you are a rich guy, wouldn't you want the girl to have a good time? She will surely show her appreciation. It is the working girl that worries about being paid. However, there is no need to pay stupid prices. A certain percentage will be duds, but the magical encounters are worth it. I always remember the ones I wish I had one more time with.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2712477]Great post, as I said, I usually do the opposite of most of the guys on the MDE or CDMX page. Especially the guys on MDE page, they are just completely wrong. Along with your list, they brush over the drug issues and violence, like it is not an problem.[/QUOTE]In both cities, the guys promoting the women are hanging in the slums and paying small $ for women, and they are convinced no one is doing better than them and are threatened if anyone suggests they are.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2712477]I would never go back to MDE the place is horrible, but I do believe you and couple of guys that I respect that Bogota is a much better option. I am having so much fun in CDMX and meeting quality / beautiful girls, no reason to change. I am heading back tomorrow. At the end I was basically meeting 6/7's in MTY. At the beginning of Covid I had met sone 8-9's, but that was not the case at the end.[/QUOTE]CDMX has Bogota beat when it comes to fun, food, and climate. The reason to go to Bogota is the average woman is better looking than CDMX but there are hotties in CDMX. The reason I focused on Colombia was the response rate to PMs was so much higher. I had 3 X the responses, and it did not hurt that the women were happy with less. If you are a working guy though, it is much harder time commitment wise.

As I have gotten to know my gal, I fell first for the looks, then the sex, then the personality, and finally the character. She got pregnant in her early 20's, turns out the father was a complete violent druggie, and she got a restraining order on him. She tried dating and thinks all Colombian men are the same macho pigs she first dealt with. Her father cheated on her mother, and her brother has children by two different women.

Her mother tried to take her kid so she cut herself off from her family and paid for everything herself. She told me her day consisted of exercising in the morning, dropping her kid off at school, going to work, and then exercising at night. This was her life for 12 years. We joke about some women being super women but she really was. And you saw what she looked like, DF, if she wanted to sell herself she could get top $. I asked her what she did for sex because she likes it so much and she said that she had her toys.

Thing is Covid happens, and her kid no longer is in school. She cannot work out at the gym, and she has paid leave from work. So she is lonely and rethinks having a man in her life. One of her friends went on seeking and married a Spaniard, so she was hopeful that she would get a guy she could date, have as a BF, and marry from seeking. She was never about the money and has only asked me twice for money in a year and a half.

Fortunately for me, I met her right after the travel ban and stupid me never even thought it was possible that a girl that hot could be on seeking would want a BF and not money. It took me a while to accept that this woman really liked me for me. But once I had reeled her in, I knew she would be loyal. It turns out she never really had a BF outside of the violent baby daddy, and she had never been in love.

So there are women out there on seeking who are looking for more than money, but the asshole "experts" on forums like Medellin do not get that. They call all the seeking women hos. Now I know that is just because they do not want anyone to be doing better than them, but it is important that guys here disregard them.

I recall seeing two other 10 types like my gal when I was in South America. I met a Bolivian banker who was stunning, smart, and sweet but taken and a Colombian financial secretary who was Victoria Secret dimensions and who could not have been nicer, so they are there. When my female friend said my gal is too good for me, she had a point, but what I would tell her is that I did the work to find somebody like my gal. I went on 100's of dates, and I was also kind of tired of the chase.

The chase was not paying off. When you get a big rolodex, it is hard to beat what you have in hand already. The other part was the chase was lonely. There were too many times when I had great sex and the girl then slumped off like a stranger. I hated that. On the other hand, I have learned to love the times when my gal texts me Hello, or good morning or is waiting for me in the airport and gives me that huge hug and kiss and special smile when she sees me. I have been asking myself which feels better, that hug and kiss or sex with a new stranger? I think that look, hug, and kiss are way under rated.

And I guess if I am being honest, I can say that I knew for certain that it was not possible that I was not going to do better than her.

So I think my gal is the top 1% of the top 1%, and I think DF you want that too. The problem with Mexico is that the top, top end is ruled by Mexicans, and the rich Mexicans have a ton of money. I went to a high end strip club in Monterrey and there were oil guys just forking out the dough, and the women, who were as hot as they come, would not even look at me. My point is if you are just wanting to meet women and have fun then for sure CDMX has got it going on, but if you want to meet the top, top women, I don't think you are going to find it there. Colombia, Argentina, and Brazil by and large have men with less money and poor attitudes and IMO you have a chance at the top, top women there. Of course, you have to got to do the work and go out on a lot of dates to find that unicorn. I know you will spend the money and do the work, but it is not easy finding a gal like I have, and luck is involved too. Hell without Covid, we never would have met.

Don't want to digress into STD discusd again but closing the loop. I did self test thru Mail at Let's Get Checked. The process was easy tho gathering a full vial of blood from your ring finger is a pain. Anyhow. Tested negative for the big 5. So that's just a nice reassurance.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2712771]Don't want to digress into STD discusd again but closing the loop. I did self test thru Mail at Let's Get Checked. The process was easy tho gathering a full vial of blood from your ring finger is a pain. Anyhow. Tested negative for the big 5. So that's just a nice reassurance.[/QUOTE]Same here. Clean bill of health. Except that I did it in one of the lab in Bogota. I am doing it to reassure the girls that I am clean.

Their process are more thorough though and actually will not release the result until you get a Teleconsultation with one of their medical professional online. May have to do with their stricter privacy law perhaps. They even provided an English speaking medical professional to talk to you for the consultation.

I was busted but not in a way that you would think. In fact, I was busted by my girl who is accompanying me to this CTG trip. I had a tendency to write up my report while the memories are still fresh. I was writing this Cartagena report on the sofa while she was sitting next to me. Even though she does not speak English but she was actually able to read them. One smart cookie and I believe she was also aware of this platform. I was careless and overlooked this aspects of things and now all my anonymity is lost, at least to her. Here is the report.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2712803#post2712803[/URL]

Anyway, she was cool with the whole thing and told me that she was only interested in what I wrote. No judgement there. She did ask if I had ever written anything about her and I told her I did once when we were in Bogota. This was the report.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2636103&viewfull=1#post2636103[/URL]

It was funny that I was trying to think on my feet if I had written anything bad. I am pretty sure she is going to read this part of the report as well. Anyway, I did show her the Bogota's report and it was funny how close the events were, and she laughed when she came to the part where she lit up like a kid in a candy store when she was in Fiebre, a rather popular strip club in Santa Fe Bogota. This girl was really cool.

Anyway, I have always tried to maintain the anonymity of me and all the girls that I had ever interacted with. So at least, I am out of the wood on this front. There are a few more things that I could write but now I think I need to think a bit harder before putting this down here on the board.

Here is to posterity. Cheers.

Remember a few weeks back I said how even with a girl in every port I am looking for something new? I've swayed back the other direction after a long weekend with Shayla.

We rented a cabin on a lake in the mountains and fuck we had fun just total BFGF in all senses. I taught her to kayak and how to swim (with life jacket) and she taught me all the fine points of cannibalizing cigar wrappers and rolling blunts! And we def smoked a few.

The first night just smoking and drinking and watching the stars which are amazing with no light pollution. And after a couple hours she comes and gets on my lap straddling me facing me and we make out like demons. I LOVE to kiss her. So passionate and tongues everywhere. Sucking licking just full on. Then the grinding starts because her tongue is connected to her pussy like no other. I pull her shirt up and spend time on the most amazing nipples on the planet no lie and we both can't hold it any longer.

Pants and panties come off and she mounts up Asian cowgirl in the chair. Never done this before require a petite girl with stamina (we bought her some booty shorts later and found she is a size 0.) OMG her pussy was amazing and she just rode and rode while we made out. Some of the best sex I've ever had.

Had equally good more traditional sex in the bed the next couple nights, including some epic BJ in Steve 2 position (fingering her pussy is to die for). Also had a nice tub soak that led to conjoined grinding and making out. With the bedroom not far behind. She's literally become my favorite girl in the bedroom and we've been together about six months.

There was just something special about a few days of uninterrupted time. No work. No family. No distractions. Just do whatever the fuck we want and fuck like bunnies every night. Damn I dig her and thank SA for bringing us together.

However don’t mistake this for monogamy. I’m gonna see Sylvia for a few nights straight in a couple weeks. LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2712524]In both cities, the guys promoting the women are hanging in the slums and paying small $ for women, and they are convinced no one is doing better than them and are threatened if anyone suggests they are.

CDMX has Bogota beat when it comes to fun, food, and climate. The reason to go to Bogota is the average woman is better looking than CDMX but there are hotties in CDMX. The reason I focused on Colombia was the response rate to PMs was so much higher. I had 3 X the responses, and it did not hurt that the women were happy with less. If you are a working guy though, it is much harder time commitment wise.

As I have gotten to know my gal, I fell first for the looks, then the sex, then the personality, and finally the character. She got pregnant in her early 20's, turns out the father was a complete violent druggie, and she got a restraining order on him. She tried dating and thinks all Colombian men are the same macho pigs she first dealt with. Her father cheated on her mother, and her brother has children by two different women.

Her mother tried to take her kid so she cut herself off from her family and paid for everything herself. She told me her day consisted of exercising in the morning, dropping her kid off at school, going to work, and then exercising at night. This was her life for 12 years. We joke about some women being super women but she really was. And you saw what she looked like, DF, if she wanted to sell herself she could get top $. I asked her what she did for sex because she likes it so much and she said that she had her toys

[/QUOTE]Funny, how you were talking about, meeting hot girls during Covid. I was with the best looking girls in my life at the beginning of Covid in MTY, but then I was topping out at 6-7's. Nothing wrong with that. I think the economy is going to change things dramatically and a lot of rich guys are in big trouble if they have not prepared themselves or diversified. I just hope my money holds out, but I have no bills, all my business are paid for, so I will be ok. We are small lien, efficient and diversified. I am not rooting for the economy to collapse, but it is not looking good. I think the rich guys were a major issue in MTY, but not as much in CDMX. There really is not a lot of competition here, and I imagine there will be even fewer guys here in the next couple of years. Yes, CDMX is expensive, but it is really cheap to fly here and I will probably get an apartment here, so that will also cut down on expenses.

I am having so much fun in CDMX I will worry about a relationship, later or if it happens naturally. You are correct there is no middle ground here, either 7's and above, or bust. Unlike, the MTY girls, that I was pretty much just attracted to them physically, most the girls I meet in CDMX have goals and are really trying to better themselves, I find that super attractive.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2712073]I would not listen to most of the guys on the Colombian page, most are very cheap and just angry dudes, in fact I would probably do the opposite. Same with some of the guys on CDMX, they are just jealous because you are not using there girls, and having more fun, but they claim they get no compensation. Do what makes you happy, do not listen to the haters.[/QUOTE]You are not sharing SA contacts don't be like them!!

[QUOTE=Simplii;2713438]You are not sharing SA contacts don't be like them!![/QUOTE]Sorry, that is not my thing. Happy to help any other way.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2713491]Sorry, that is not my thing. Happy to help any other way.[/QUOTE]Yeah no one who really does Seeking is sharing any names. These girls are not hookers we pass about. OP def in wrong newsgroup.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2713637]Yeah no one who really does Seeking is sharing any names. These girls are not hookers we pass about. OP def in wrong newsgroup.[/QUOTE]Yep, it is not going to happen. I work too hard for my contacts, unlike others, I do not want to sell or benefit from there contact information. I had one guy ask for my login and password, Hell no! You have to come to CDMX. Heading to my 4th meeting of the day. It has been an epic Monday.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2713637]Yeah no one who really does Seeking is sharing any names. These girls are not hookers we pass about. OP def in wrong newsgroup.[/QUOTE]Yeah, definitely annoyed by these people who think they don't need to do the ground week and think they can expect others to pass the contacts of these girls around.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2713637]Yeah no one who really does Seeking is sharing any names. These girls are not hookers we pass about. OP def in wrong newsgroup.[/QUOTE]What if girls would like a referral to another SD? How you ever wonder what is that that girls want?

Would you be her SD forever? C'Mon., one night stand is what most of the guys are looking for here. How many SBs do you see regularly more than one time?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2713680]Yeah, definitely annoyed by these people who think they don't need to do the ground week and think they can expect others to pass the contacts of these girls around.[/QUOTE]Ask your sugar babies. They have more that one SD for sure.

My previous two / three subscriptions on SA were outstanding.

This last one wasnt that great. Subscription ending this week and not intending to renew. Will come back after few months.

Key difference: previously I was willing to travel. This time, for some reason, I am not in mood to travel.

Mesaaged quite a lot if them in and around my area. Some respinded online only. My foot. Blocked them. Some said platonic only. Ok. I respect you at that but I am not paying for platonic.

One 20 why. O was willing to travel to me. I covered her travel, other expenses + 200. Overnight with me.

Pretty (6), hot (5). Covered sex only but to my surprise I lasted much longer than I usually do with a condom.

Sent her off to a concert by herself as I had work to do. Picked her back up, grabbed some wine and dinner. Later that night, she gave me a blowjob to finish in mouth.

Thats about it. Slept and dropped her off at train station next morning.

It was ok considering nothing else materialized. Will I repeat? No. But she wants to.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2713652]Yep, it is not going to happen. I work too hard for my contacts, unlike others, I do not want to sell or benefit from there contact information. I had one guy ask for my login and password, Hell no! You have to come to CDMX. Heading to my 4th meeting of the day. It has been an epic Monday.[/QUOTE]The audacity! LOL.

I see that you have a lot of fun there. Thinking of checking out that place next time.

Currently in Montreal. I usually always use the excellent outcall agencies, Euphoria, Vogue, XO, etc. But since I started with seeking, I decided they will be my backup plan.

I started 2 weeks out with the messaging, as the younger ones take much longer 26 and below. Over 28 they really are aggressive and DTF.

This is a very target rich environment and they all know the deal. All are very happy with 5-600 CAD. So about 2 hrs of a top agency in MOntreal.

However, this is where the benefits are from my perspective. I arrived yesterday and had 2 meetings.

First showed up to my hotel with 2 bottles of wine. She was 30, she said she is a nympho and can fuck all day. Loves anal more than anything else. Loves it super rough. When she arrived told me whatever I want, just condom for penetration. We started and it was hardcore xxxx. I am not a GFE guy. I'm really PSE or nothing.

After I skull fucked her I turn her around and DATY etc. She takes my raw dick and puts in her ass. First cup, 2.

Cup etc.

$600 Cad she was there 3 hours said she wanted to stay over. I had plans already told her to leave please.

Keeps sending me videos of masturbating etc. Crazy chic.

Body-8. 5-9.

Face-7.

Sex-15.

The 8 pm real estate agent. 24 yrs old. No Silicone. 5'3" of fucking beautiful, maybe 105-110 lbs, real slim, small see. Brunette.

Dinner and Drinks at Marcus (overpriced and over rated imo) but the woman love it.

She had driven to my hotel. So I was unsure how this was going to go. Never spoke about money. No porn pics, just real conversation with her over that past 2 weeks.

She orders 2 dozen oysters and eats them herself. Then salmon tartar, buratta, some cauliflower dish, and 4 martinis. I was like what the fuck, LOL.

Marcus closes I asked if she would come back and she said yes. We hang out, talk and the action starts. This girl is a GFE girl / very slight PSE but very open, 3 somes etc she claims.

Give her an orgasm. She gives me a good blow job, not great, but solid.

I go to fuck and she said not tonight. But, grinds the shit out me and orgasms again.

I'm annoyed, but don't show it.

She said tomorrow. I have 4 already lined up for her "tomorrow".

She wouldn't take money. I gave her "100".

For gas and parking and she gave it back. I gave her 50, she said no. Took only $20.

Cad.

Dinner cost me $610 CAD. She is girlfriend / wifey material. But, not for me. I have been down that road and not now.

I may take her with me somewhere, because she is intelligent and sexy. Need to see if she can fuck though.

Body-9.

Face-8. 5-9.

Bbj-6. 5-7.

Sex- NA.

Will report on the rest when I leave here.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2713895]Dinner cost me $610 CAD. She is girlfriend / wifey material. But, not for me. I have been down that road and not now.

I may take her with me somewhere, because she is intelligent and sexy. Need to see if she can fuck though.

Body-9.

Face-8. 5-9.

Bbj-6. 5-7.

Sex- NA.

Will report on the rest when I leave here.[/QUOTE]$610 for Blue Balls. Yes, that is what wives do. She played you well. Rubbed on you and she orgasmed, satisfied herself, but left you wondering what a fuck would be like. Wife material.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2713895]

Will report on the rest when I leave here.[/QUOTE]Great report, keep it coming. Looking forward to read your next one.

[QUOTE=Simplii;2713730]What if girls would like a referral to another SD? How you ever wonder what is that that girls want?

Would you be her SD forever? C'Mon., one night stand is what most of the guys are looking for here. How many SBs do you see regularly more than one time?[/QUOTE]I do not care, nor do I ask. If I girl is hot, smart and fun, why not see her again. I was with the model for almost 2 years, it was awesome, up until the last few months. I would not change that time in my life for anything, it was during Covid, so it made it even better. None of the girls I have ever been with have asked me to share there contact information, too weird. I leave that for the losers that get off on Sharing contact information and posting pictures of girls not blacking out there faces.

So as I have been in this seeking world, I have noticed a similar trait of the woman who I have brought back to my room and random bar / club pick ups.

I have been noticing that the woman who are really comfortable with me take their shoes off as soon as I bring them.

Into the room. It has been my tell if it was going to a good night.

The pros never do that.

Anyone notice the same, or have a different cue?

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2713914]So as I have been in this seeking world, I have noticed a similar trait of the woman who I have brought back to my room and random bar / club pick ups.

I have been noticing that the woman who are really comfortable with me take their shoes off as soon as I bring them.

Into the room. It has been my tell if it was going to a good night.

The pros never do that.

Anyone notice the same, or have a different cue?[/QUOTE]I have a shoe rack at my front door. Any woman that goes beyond the shoe rack and removes her shoes will also drop her panties later. Barefoot brings out the comfort with nudity in them.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2713897]$610 for Blue Balls. Yes, that is what wives do. She played you well. Rubbed on you and she orgasmed, satisfied herself, but left you wondering what a fuck would be like. Wife material.[/QUOTE]I think you didn't read the bbj part she took CIM and swallowed. She got a $300 CAD dinner out of it. Which the other $300 was mine. My expense account can handle it. I'm not a bargain shopper. I prefer to fuck, so that was a let down.

The way I look at it is, I would have to buy myself dinner anyway. So I got BbJ, had a good dinner with a beautiful 24 yr woman, it was a good night for me. If I hadn’t fucked the first woman to almost death I would have been a little more salty probably, but still had a great time.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2713979]I think you didn't read the bbj part she took CIM and swallowed. She got a $300 CAD dinner out of it. Which the other $300 was mine. My expense account can handle it. I'm not a bargain shopper. I prefer to fuck, so that was a let down.

The way I look at it is, I would have to buy myself dinner anyway. So I got BbJ, had a good dinner with a beautiful 24 yr woman, it was a good night for me. If I hadnt fucked the first woman to almost death I would have been a little more salty probably, but still had a great time.[/QUOTE]Wondering how much money and time total: you paid SA for your membership, $110? Airfare and hotel bill in Canada? How much time you spent on SA back and forth with her, trying to woo her to your restaurant date, how many hours you spent with her that night to get your BJ. And also her $300 CAD. Add it all up and she got 2 orgasms rubbing on your leg.

Sounds like a wife who can string you along, waste your time, money and energy, get a great $300 dinner, multiple orgasms for her and still leave you fuck-less!

I suggest an escort next time. Unless you prefer a typical conniving, deceiving, cock teasing wife.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2713997]Wondering how much money and time total: you paid SA for your membership, $110? Airfare and hotel bill in Canada? How much time you spent on SA back and forth with her, trying to woo her to your restaurant date, how many hours you spent with her that night to get your BJ. And also her $300 CAD. Add it all up and she got 2 orgasms rubbing on your leg.

Sounds like a wife who can string you along, waste your time, money and energy, get a great $300 dinner, multiple orgasms for her and still leave you fuck-less!

I suggest an escort next time. Unless you prefer a typical conniving, deceiving, cock teasing wife.[/QUOTE]You are making assumptions that are not correct. I travel for work. The only cost I have is what I spend on the woman. Some of work on different budgets. It's clear we have a different perception of expense / value.

I regularly drop 5 figures at clubs with my buddies. We roll different.

I pay the woman to leave is my motto.

[QUOTE=Simplii;2713730]What if girls would like a referral to another SD? How you ever wonder what is that that girls want?

Would you be her SD forever? C'Mon., one night stand is what most of the guys are looking for here. How many SBs do you see regularly more than one time?[/QUOTE]It may be you’re just trolling us because you seem to know absolutely nothing about Seeking. But I'll take the bait. I won't speak for everyone but I count 17 Seeking girls I've fucked more than one night in the past two years. So slightly under 50%. And a few have been 5+ times. A couple 10+ times.

But even the ones I saw once I'm not going to pass around. Only 1 was a straight up hooker, and one or two disappointing but all the rest were super nice real world girls just enjoying being young and free and picking up some side cash. It's def more like a girlfriend relationship than an escort done right. And I'm not sharing my girlfriend with anyone.

I will even go so far as to say I have a lot of respect for many of these girls. At 23 they have already figured out that monogamy is a sham, sex is nothing sacred and to be revered, and it make no sense to fuck an immature shallow dude her own age for free when she can have dinner at the finest restaurant and enjoy more connected and caring sex at the end of the night and pay her rent at the the same time! Smart girls. At least many of the ones I date.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2714066]I count 17 Seeking girls I've fucked more than one night in the past two years.[/QUOTE]Hope the 17 do not give / spread herpes, etc. Sounds like a sex addiction.

I think there is nothing wrong with sharing SA contacts of ex-girlfriends, or someone you fucked in the past. And by contacts I mean SA profile link or a nickname. Under no circumstance would I share a phone number or private social media account, or post this kind of info on a public forum. I don't share SA profiles with random people, but if Steve, for example, asks me for some contacts (he probably would never ask), I would gladly help him out becuase I know he would treat them right. Also, sharing contacts of those who underperformed, flaked, stole something from you, would help others to avoid them.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2714066]It may be youre just trolling us because you seem to know absolutely nothing about Seeking. But I'll take the bait. I won't speak for everyone but I count 17 Seeking girls I've fucked more than one night in the past two years. So slightly under 50%. And a few have been 5+ times. A couple 10+ times.

But even the ones I saw once I'm not going to pass around. Only 1 was a straight up hooker, and one or two disappointing but all the rest were super nice real world girls just enjoying being young and free and picking up some side cash. It's def more like a girlfriend relationship than an escort done right. And I'm not sharing my girlfriend with anyone.

I will even go so far as to say I have a lot of respect for many of these girls. At 23 they have already figured out that monogamy is a sham, sex is nothing sacred and to be revered, and it make no sense to fuck an immature shallow dude her own age for free when she can have dinner at the finest restaurant and enjoy more connected and caring sex at the end of the night and pay her rent at the the same time! Smart girls. At least many of the ones I date.[/QUOTE]I wish there was a like button for this post.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2714073]I think there is nothing wrong with sharing SA contacts of ex-girlfriends, or someone you fucked in the past. And by contacts I mean SA profile link or a nickname. Under no circumstance would I share a phone number or private social media account, or post this kind of info on a public forum. I don't share SA profiles with random people, but if Steve, for example, asks me for some contacts (he probably would never ask), I would gladly help him out because I know he would treat them right. Also, sharing contacts of those who under performed, flaked, stole something from you, would help others to avoid them.[/QUOTE]Correct. There is a proper way to ask for help. Maybe meet in person and have a drink, develop sone rapport, but to randomly ask for contacts is kind is weird.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2714073]I think there is nothing wrong with sharing SA contacts of ex-girlfriends, or someone you fucked in the past. And by contacts I mean SA profile link or a nickname. Under no circumstance would I share a phone number or private social media account, or post this kind of info on a public forum. I don't share SA profiles with random people, but if Steve, for example, asks me for some contacts (he probably would never ask), I would gladly help him out because I know he would treat them right. Also, sharing contacts of those who underperformed, flaked, stole something from you, would help others to avoid them.[/QUOTE]That's what I mean. Thanks!

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2714101]Correct. There is a proper way to ask for help. Maybe meet in person and have a drink, develop sone rapport, but to randomly ask for contacts is kind is weird.[/QUOTE]SA profile link or a nickname, that's it. Nothing more. That is what I mean men.

Any other data is sensitive and shouldn't be sharing.

Let's take a look of the SA in India.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4251-Seeking-Arrangement-SA-in-India[/URL]

Only nicknames. Maybe a reference, but That's it.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2713907]Great report, keep it coming. Looking forward to read your next one.[/QUOTE]I agree. Great report. We talked about the potential Montreal had for SBs and am glad to see someone cash in on it.

[QUOTE=Simplii;2714265]SA profile link or a nickname, that's it. Nothing more. That is what I mean men.

Any other data is sensitive and shouldn't be sharing.

Let's take a look of the SA in India.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4251-Seeking-Arrangement-SA-in-India[/URL]

Only nicknames. Maybe a reference, but That's it.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you are trying to skirt the monthly fee, use SA as a P4 P site which it is not, and ruin the site in the process. I hope no one helps you at all. Any guy who comes on here and says "most guys here want a one night stand" needs to leave. That is not what the site is about and it has had to ban good men because of guys with attitudes like yours.

[QUOTE=Simplii;2714265]SA profile link or a nickname, that's it. Nothing more. That is what I mean men.

Any other data is sensitive and shouldn't be sharing.

Let's take a look of the SA in India.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4251-Seeking-Arrangement-SA-in-India[/URL]

Only nicknames. Maybe a reference, but That's it.[/QUOTE]Here is a link for you.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/[/URL]

There, get an account, sign in, create a profile, post your picture there and then do your own legwork.

Do you know how creepy it is to specifically post the direct URL of these girls onto this public forum? How would you feel if you someone post your profile URL here?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2714334]Here is a link for you.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/[/URL]

There, get an account, sign in, create a profile, post your picture there and then do your own legwork.

Do you know how creepy it is to specifically post the direct URL of these girls onto this public forum? How would you feel if you someone post your profile URL here?[/QUOTE]Exactly, if any of the girls I hang out with regularly found out I did this, they would be pissed. The other losers on other pages thinks this is cool, it is not.

So on my way back to NYC from a 4 wk business trip spanning EU, US, and Canada.

Had 3 meetings scheduled for my last 2 days.

1st one should be avoided- a pro, I was 90% sure but if we were going to click I would have went with it. She goes by "big blue eyes or something". Uber to my hotel I was not attracted to her she had an all business look. Gave her 100 and sent her away.

2nd was scheduled after a business dinner I was having. She was supposed to show up at 9:30 pm. We had been texting back and fourth for a couple days. 9:30 pm comes she texts and says she is out drinking with friends can she in an hour. I said sure. 1 HR later still no show. I start pulling up my backups who I know are DTF. Then she texts me and says 11:30 pm. I tell her if she shows up there may be another woman in the bed, she said she will come right away, LOL.

Stats-20 yr old, just turned 20 last month At university in Halifax.

Born and bred in Montreal.

Brunette-Brown eyes.

Tall-5'9"- 5-10".

Slim.

Solid 8. 5.

Natural see-the cups.

She shows up, and now I'm ready to break the bed. I had been drinking. She had been drinking. Tells me I'm sexy AF, makes me feel good. She pulls out a bag and takes 2 bumps. I'm like wtf.

It's on like animal kingdom.

Girl was so uninhibited, nothing off limits. She said cum anywhere I want as long she orgasms before me. We went 3 rounds and sent her home 6 am. Because I had a 10 am arriving.

She wanted to take pics, I said no.

$500 CAD and Uber home. A keeper.

My 10 am today. I really didn't have the energy, but I put her off twice. And I found her very attractive because there was something natural about our conversations.

Stats-27 yr.

Blonde / Blue eyes.

Fake see cups.

No other silicone.

Good amount of tats.

5'7".

Slim.

Solid 8. 5.

We have building sexual tension for the last couple days. So.

I knew it was going to be good. It was another amazing experience, she was game for whatever I could throw at her.

10-3 pm.

Keeper-$600 CAD.

Observations- if you don't like tattoos, it will be hard in Montreal. I have larger tats, not visible in a suit, but these girls tend to have more then most.

The older woman know they are competing with the younger ones so they are more aggressive to meet. They respond fast. I mean above 28. A lot of pros, but you will notice them by their texts.

I would not pay more than $700.

All my encounters were 5-600.

I had one woman who was a 9. 5 for drinks yesterday and she wanted 2000. I paid for my drink and left her at the bar, LOL.

These woman were very open with me showing me all the seeking messages they get and showing me how they pick who to respond to. Some of the texts they get are truly disturbing.

I have a soft spot for woman who are Qubecois.

I have had so many great experiences with them.

You can't go wrong with SA or using an outcall service. Depends on your commitment level.

Dead. Nuts. On. Steve.

I have more respect for the handful of girls I've actually met in person from SA than 90% of all the people I've met in the same time period. The place is a gold mine, isn't free or cheap but I see no possible way to have the experiences I've had without it. Now let's see how long it takes for some moron to F it up for all of us.

FB.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2714066]It may be you're just trolling us because you seem to know absolutely nothing about Seeking. But I'll take the bait. I won't speak for everyone but I count 17 Seeking girls I've fucked more than one night in the past two years. So slightly under 50%. And a few have been 5+ times. A couple 10+ times.

But even the ones I saw once I'm not going to pass around. Only 1 was a straight up hooker, and one or two disappointing but all the rest were super nice real world girls just enjoying being young and free and picking up some side cash. It's def more like a girlfriend relationship than an escort done right. And I'm not sharing my girlfriend with anyone.

I will even go so far as to say I have a lot of respect for many of these girls. At 23 they have already figured out that monogamy is a sham, sex is nothing sacred and to be revered, and it make no sense to fuck an immature shallow dude her own age for free when she can have dinner at the finest restaurant and enjoy more connected and caring sex at the end of the night and pay her rent at the the same time! Smart girls. At least many of the ones I date.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2713652]Yep, it is not going to happen. I work too hard for my contacts, unlike others, I do not want to sell or benefit from there contact information. I had one guy ask for my login and password, Hell no! You have to come to CDMX. Heading to my 4th meeting of the day. It has been an epic Monday.[/QUOTE]"call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye" Just wondering why the 100's of thousands of guys on SA do not also use ISG. / seeking. (thankfully) because here I see (sometimes) info like bust size, eye color, age, weight etc. Etc. Why? Some sort of hunter mentality? (ok guilty here) on OTHER SA related news groups it's different. Sex seldom mentioned. Which I think is also weird. Sex does not equal love but GFE is kinda a top priority. IMHO sex with a hooker is no longer much fun.

And agree. No more requests for "help" or contacts here. In fact if you even ask, I think these kind of people will bring more hookers to post on SA. Making it harder to find the type of people I would like to meet. Those girls drop off quickly when they have garbage in their inbox.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2714751]"call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye" Just wondering why the 100's of thousands of guys on SA do not also use ISG. / seeking. (thankfully) because here I see (sometimes) info like bust size, eye color, age, weight etc. Etc. Why? Some sort of hunter mentality? (ok guilty here) on OTHER SA related news groups it's different. Sex seldom mentioned. Which I think is also weird. Sex does not equal love but GFE is kinda a top priority. IMHO sex with a hooker is no longer much fun.

And agree. No more requests for "help" or contacts here. In fact if you even ask, I think these kind of people will bring more hookers to post on SA. Making it harder to find the type of people I would like to meet. Those girls drop off quickly when they have garbage in their inbox.[/QUOTE]Not worried about it at all. CDMX takes some money and a little game. Some have one, but do not have the other. Competition will make me stronger! Not to mention I am already developing a lot of connections with the managers at my favorite restaurant and working on connecting with apartments.

Another plus, most guys are too cheap or stupid to use SA, this eliminates most of my competitors. Also, a lot of guys let there pride get in the way of using SA, which makes no sense. I have no pride, that was taken away after I bought my first business and quickly realized that everyone lies. Then, I was audited a couple of times, talk about a joke, but it made me grew up. The government is the biggest cons and liars in the world. Life is good and I love CDMX.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2714393]So on my way back to NYC from a 4 wk business trip spanning EU, US, and Canada.

Had 3 meetings scheduled for my last 2 days.

The older woman know they are competing with the younger ones so they are more aggressive to meet. They respond fast. I mean above 28. A lot of pros, but you will notice them by their texts.

These woman were very open with me showing me all the seeking messages they get and showing me how they pick who to respond to. Some of the texts they get are truly disturbing.

I have a soft spot for woman who are Qubecois.

I have had so many great experiences with them.

You can't go wrong with SA or using an outcall service. Depends on your commitment level.[/QUOTE]As always, great report.

By the way, I can't remember the specific details of your Frankfurt experience. Is the ppm higher in Montreal or Frankfurt?

There are definitely a lot of weirdos in SA, since as you mentioned, one of the girls actually told me she had deactivated her account only after a few days because she was disturbed by all these messages. I asked her why then meet up with me, and she said I was the only decent ones, LOL.

I always find the older girls, I mean those above 25, are always better in sex than those younger ones who is between 19 and 21.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2714393]These woman were very open with me showing me all the seeking messages they get and showing me how they pick who to respond to.[/QUOTE]Great report.

Can you share some intel or insight into the thoughts and messages girls are most likely to respond with?

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2713914]So as I have been in this seeking world, I have noticed a similar trait of the woman who I have brought back to my room and random bar / club pick ups.

I have been noticing that the woman who are really comfortable with me take their shoes off as soon as I bring them.
[/QUOTE]Agree with this. It's a reliable indicator.

It may have some racial bias particularly in Asia where all shoes get removed at the door and replaced with slippers for inside the house.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2714769]As always, great report.

By the way, I can't remember the specific details of your Frankfurt experience. Is the ppm higher in Montreal or Frankfurt?

There are definitely a lot of weirdos in SA, since as you mentioned, one of the girls actually told me she had deactivated her account only after a few days because she was disturbed by all these messages. I asked her why then meet up with me, and she said I was the only decent ones, LOL.

I always find the older girls, I mean those above 25, are always better in sex than those younger ones who is between 19 and 21.[/QUOTE]So, Montreal is cheaper definitely because of the strong dollar. I also prefer French-Canadian women only because European woman are my favorite, but the québeécois are just so open about sex. Even in bars they are DTF. I have also heard many times they prefer US guys.

They only thing is the tattoo game is real strong in Montreal, and I have large tattoo but it can be overwhelming. Maybe I'm self-conscious when I take them out. I'm 48, but look mid 30's and if I'm coming from a business meeting I'm dressed conservative. If it's after hours then I'm in NYC bar / lounge attire and I'm more laid back.

I know Latam is many people favorite destination because of value, but I have a place so. Beach and I can bang the hottest ones for free just because I can get tables. So I'm not that smitten with them anymore.

I have a trip to Vancouver in July so not sure if I should try SA. Will also be in Seattle in July so trying.

To get my plan in place.

Also, remember I am a hardcover PSE guy, so my bias lends to places where I get that consistently. So far, for me it's always been Canada, Germany, US, and Switzerland. I will settle for GFE, but then I'm on my phone as soon as they leave trying to get my fix.

This happened to me last night and didn't anything of it until now!

She was not Asian either.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2714774]Agree with this. It's a reliable indicator.

It may have some racial bias particularly in Asia where all shoes get removed at the door and replaced with slippers for inside the house.[/QUOTE]

My arrangement with Abby is done. We were an item for 6 months. And what happened? She moved. And, it's as simple as that. It's just as well. I mean, to be honest, I was getting bored with just one woman. I have monger mentality. Hell, I am a monger LOL! I want to be fucking different women. And so it goes.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2714771]Great report.

Can you share some intel or insight into the thoughts and messages girls are most likely to respond with?[/QUOTE]So I asked the women why they chose to respond. I don't have a pic on my profile. But, I have private pics that I share if they request it. The normal women (non-pro) all said they block / delete just by the pictures first. Then they read the message, if it looks a form message they deleted / block. Then they read the profile, to long they move on.

Then they respond to those with pics they like and meet their criteria. So those of without profile pics are really after the initial weeding out when they have time. So it's up to our message and succinct profile to catch them.

I am sure if I added a profile pic, my hit rate would be even higher, but I'm not willing to take that risk.

Also, some the messages they get by text after they selected are truly crazy. Like this amount, x minutes of anal, see minutes of bbj, suck ass, pics of how it should be done. I was blown away.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2714837]This happened to me last night and didn't anything of it until now!

She was not Asian either.[/QUOTE]Yeah, In the civilian world this was a strong indication for if I was going to fuck that night. Prior to Covid I was on the road 150-200 days a year.

So, spent a lot of time picking up women in bars, clubs, waitresses etc.

And since I am in and out of the cities, my patience is thin.

It was something I noticed, that they come in, take off their heels, then I know my dick will be in some part of their body shortly.

I only see Asians in AMPS so I don't have that experience.

Also, I will share contacts of scammers / pros on this forum that respond in the city I'm in to save you time.

Got to London yesterday and spent about an hour sending messages. Got some replies but not having much luck moving forward. The girls who respond are either looking for a longer arrangement / won't do ppm for one date and the others are asking for 700-1000 pounds for ppm which is crazy. I was thinking 3-400 gbp for ppm but only one girl has been in that range. I've been messaging girls 19-28, mostly white if that matters. Since I don't have that much time here I'm probably going to call it and go back to Diva.

I also tried messaging girls a few weeks before I got here. Also got some numbers but the one I talked to the most is out of town when I'm here. Others haven't replied to texts.

I will admit I'm not very good at seeking or game in general. I tried to follow the template and tell girls I'm looking for a fun date and ask if they're interested. But when they ask what I have in mind I wasn't including intimacy so one said intimacy was more. But doesn't mutually beneficial imply intimacy? Others asked if I was only looking for a dinner date. The one who only does monthly would be fine with dinner and a show but that's it. The ambiguity on seeking is what makes it tricky for me. Does ppm include platonic meets or not? Etc etc.

After spending all the effort on seeking it made me wonder if guys like Steve or Fast with good game could do just as well trying to pick up girls at bars or where ever instead of doing it on sa.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2715415]Got to London yesterday and spent about an hour sending messages. Got some replies but not having much luck moving forward. The girls who respond are either looking for a longer arrangement / won't do ppm for one date and the others are asking for 700-1000 pounds for ppm which is crazy. I was thinking 3-400 gbp for ppm but only one girl has been in that range. I've been messaging girls 19-28, mostly white if that matters. Since I don't have that much time here I'm probably going to call it and go back to Diva.

I also tried messaging girls a few weeks before I got here. Also got some numbers but the one I talked to the most is out of town when I'm here. Others haven't replied to texts.

I will admit I'm not very good at seeking or game in general. I tried to follow the template and tell girls I'm looking for a fun date and ask if they're interested. But when they ask what I have in mind I wasn't including intimacy so one said intimacy was more. But doesn't mutually beneficial imply intimacy? Others asked if I was only looking for a dinner date. The one who only does monthly would be fine with dinner and a show but that's it. The ambiguity on seeking is what makes it tricky for me. Does ppm include platonic meets or not? Etc etc.

After spending all the effort on seeking it made me wonder if guys like Steve or Fast with good game could do just as well trying to pick up girls at bars or where ever instead of doing it on sa.[/QUOTE]I am not familiar with the London scene but I can only reflect on my own experience, maybe it could be of some help.

1) You are in a Tier-1 city, and it is not surprising that the ppm would reflect that. $500 to $1000 is probably on par in cities like NYC and SFO as it is in London. Unless you are there on business trips, I will not specially go to these places for such experiences. I usually go to cheaper countries like Colombia where I would get a lot more bang for the buck literally, even after you factor in the wining and dining.

2). Girls are not always on the SA app. Response time can vary or not all all. Whenever possible, get their WhatsApp or any other chat app as soon as you can. They are always on these apps.

3) I find it easier to be upfront with the girls before meet. I mention that ppm will only be given if it leads to intimacy. I usually prefer to meet them over dinner and drink so that we can build the chemistry. Most of these SA girls understand what that means and how the games are played. If the girls profiles mention platonic in their SA profile, more often than not, they are not looking to have sex with you.

4) The girl's race and ethnicity could be a factor in their ppm rate. Caucasian girls are usually more expensive.