Phnom Penh

I've been in PP every 3 months in the last year. But I think the quality of the girls is low (except for one vietnamese I met lately.)!

I'd like to try some "different" places. Someone can send to me a PM with some good advices?

Thanks

I got a cheap flight from Bangkok to Phnom Penh on Air Asia. I think it ended up about $70 or $75 USD each way after all their nickel & dime charges.

I read a great explanation of how to go overland by bus and taxi from Bangkok to Siem Reap within the last couple of pages on here. If I'd read it before booking the flight I might have gone that route.

Does anyone have any info on full service massage parlours in PP. I need directions from Flamingos.

[QUOTE=Hippie]Wendella, to the best of my knowledge, you really need a Cambodian friend or business associate--or the rare westerner who has been often enough to know his way around and be accepted--to go to the places you are talking about. [/QUOTE]I'd email Saran (his contact info is in the classified section). He should know all the spots in PP. Last time I was with him he took me to some out of the way places 10 or 15 minutes outside PP. If you're adventurous and looking for cheap fun, have him take you there.

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i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted and without starting flame wars.

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[QUOTE=Adhome01]I'd email Saran (his contact info is in the classified section). He should know all the spots in PP. Last time I was with him he took me to some out of the way places 10 or 15 minutes outside PP. If you're adventurous and looking for cheap fun, have him take you there.[/QUOTE]You just need a willing taxi driver to take you to an out of the way place. Some don't know these places. Some will only take you to places where they get a commission and some won't go there because they just don't get it. [the mongering scene that is]

Been to heart of darkness yesterday and took a 21 year old from ghana out there. Never thought I would meet a black hooker in Cambodia.

ST was 25$. Did I overpay? Wasnt sure about hear of darkness prices and the exotic bonus. Performance was so so. No BJ but body was fine.

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i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted and without starting flame wars.

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Not happy about members recommending local taxi drivers offering to take people to out of the way places.

This only means one thing to me and the deletions show the evidence I believe.

There has been a problem here before with a taxi driver who was later jailed in Phnom Penh.

I would suggest that visitors stick with the tried and true venues and if possible find a khmer to take one to the KTVs where the most beautiful girls are.

If not happy with this then avoid Cambodia and do us locals a favour-we don't need any more bad publicity.

[QUOTE=Kuranyi]Been to heart of darkness yesterday and took a 21 year old from ghana out there. Never thought I would meet a black hooker in Cambodia.

ST was 25$. Did I overpay? Wasnt sure about hear of darkness prices and the exotic bonus. Performance was so so. No BJ but body was fine.[/QUOTE]The reason I go to SE asia is to be with SE asian woman, if I wanted to go with a black woman I would go to Africa.

[QUOTE=Iching]The reason I go to SE asia is to be with SE asian woman, if I wanted to go with a black woman I would go to Africa.[/QUOTE]

Noted. Variety is the spice of life, for some. Others prefer the same steady diet. I think everything will probably work out ok if once in awhile somebody goes back with the black girl, no?

[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Not happy about members recommending local taxi drivers offering to take people to out of the way places.[/QUOTE]

Weird thing was how we were talking about something totally different and somehow it got turned around by the person who was supposedly upset, who seemed to think my original question about top-end expensive places for hotties was somehow about low-end cheap places for whatever he had on his mind.

[QUOTE=D Cups]OK, thanks Hippie. If anyone else knows of a different airline (other than Bangkok Air) that has a cheaper flight from Chiang Mai to Phnom Penh, kindly let me know! Thanks![/QUOTE]

It probably will be cheaper (especially if you buy early and get the special promo price) to buy 2 tickets on Air Asia. Chiang Mai to Bangkok and then Bangkok to Phnom Penh. Since there are many flights from Chiang Mai to Bangkok, you can do this route in one day.

[quote=wendella]thanks for the quick replies....

marrow: i'm not sure you understood what i meant. i did not mean "free" girls, but freelancers, very different. fl are girls you can meet in a place like martini, where they work as "independent contractors." :)
this as opposed to a place like cyrcee or candybar where they are all on staff of the bar. so i'm not young and handsome and rich and therefore don't even consider going for real non-working girl pickups, if that is what you mean. by "variety" i do not mean variety of sexual activities, but variety of girls to choose from -- a huge choice of girls all in one place is best for me. i like to be picky. but in the last part of your post you seem to talk about girls working with drivers. this might be interesting, if they really were the cutest ones available and surely better than ones available in other places. how can a guy connect with that? the main problem with this type of approach is that you can't see a girl until she shows up, and only one can show up at a time. i hate to "choose" that way. i prefer multiple choice to yes/no questions. ;)

will robinson*: i've been to paris and did not manage to spot something worth going for. it's a fishbowl massage place. takeout available there? when i looked, a few years ago, it wasn't a great selection of girls in the tank. i left without choosing one.

* i assume you are not dr. smith or you wouldn't be here.[/quote]
eww haha. nono , i was talking about freelancers. the free girls, lol.
the good look and pocket loaded was meant if you was looking for high quality girls, hanging around a club like a boss picking one of the awesome girls available. forget it haha. :d
but seems i misunderstood, u was meaning a place with a lot of girls to choose about, nothing more, just not a dirty chiken farm, i suppose.
a sorta of martini but high class.
for what i can tell you, time is changed. so basically, u "could" find this kind of places, but actually are for locals,
10000 riels to 40000 riels for young and cute.
for you, from 5 to 15$ on-site, double on your room. mostly loaded of vietnamese, low quality. typical "good chicken farm" , club for locals.
a place like this but with high quality, for foreigners, with the crackdown, don't exists anymore.
and if someone remember one, be sure is closed, or will be next days.
the hope of this crackdown is to put an end on prostitution in asia. i laugh a lot every time i think how could be possible, but it's an other story.
surely this crackdown, spreading around in s/e asia is scary, true, and fast. by the way, if you consider how much money a prostitute makes,
why in the hell she would stop this life? if a place is raided, the only thing happens is the awesome girls escape on other cities, local places.
so, randomly, hanging around, u meet a jewel, unexpected. her past, is surely from one of this "high level" places, now close.
say thanks to the idiots hanging around everywhere on s/e asia still thinking to change the life of a prostitute, like if she was barely thinking to do it,
with a bank account loaded of money for the rest of her life and all her family. ye, pal, sorry but it's true.
don't trust when a prostitute start the sad story of "my family is poor" and "i need money and your support".
she has enough money for buy a bmw m3, pal, and spit you from the driver seat waving with her left hand xd .
99.9% of fl in cambodia are rich as hell, hehe

about a cambodian driver, it's a dream. pure luck to meet a serious driver understand what means
"beautiful, boom boom , young and beautiful, i want to choose"
not considering the driver thinking you want an ****, pointless topic, i don't understand why people was talking about this, but surely a risk when u mention young and beautiful.
over all, if and when you find one, funnily he will bring you to a place where you will have a choice, yes, but of the ugliest. why, u ask?
because of this crackdown, so scared to lose their precious place where locals go to fuck happily, with awesome girls. no barangs, not welcome.
at all. papasan / mamasan could kick you out, seriously. or made you suggest from someone speaks in english is better if you leave.. well do it..
and if allowed, you have to pay much, much more than the real price for locals. speaking khmer, i can tell you, the experience is quite different.
can you speak perfectly this language? if the answer is no, buy a rabbit tail, lol.
i apologize if my post was confused, i tried to suggest a place , thailand, with variety and high quality , without all this boring troubles,
i was sure you was pointing to a good experience, not limited to cambodia, where time is changed.
cheers, bud!

p.s. who the hell is dr. smith? o.o

Hi,

I often read here about Vietnamese offering their services in Cambodia.

Does anyone actually know why that is? I mean why do they go to a country that is even poorer (on paper)?

[QUOTE=Marrow]Eww haha.

p.s. Who the hell is Dr. Smith? O.o[/QUOTE]

OK I think I understand. Maybe not possible. Foreigners can only get the leftover crumbs these days. Not good. I have no interest in those cheap brothels, that is just depressing, and never see really hot girls in those places.

When I mentioned "Dr. Smith" that was a joke -- the member signed off "Will Robinson" and his nick includes "LostInSpace" -- that was a bad science fiction tv show in the US in the 1960s, Will Robinson was the young son who was usually the main character in the story; Dr. Smith was the ship's scientist who often got caught up in these adventures, but the guy was a selfish dishonest cowardly type who seemed to be gay (but in those days no one would say that, but he sure seemed very girly). He would usually cry when he got caught by some alien. It was a pretty bad show, more in the style of a 1950s B-movie.

[QUOTE=Wendella]"LostInSpace" was a [very, very] bad science fiction tv show in the US in the 1960s, Will Robinson was the young son who was usually the main character in the story; Dr. Smith was the ship's scientist who often got caught up in these adventures, but the guy was a selfish dishonest cowardly type who seemed to be gay. [/QUOTE]
In the quirky and very funny 1989 film, "Mystery Train" by Jim Jarmusch there is a character named Will Robinson (the bell hop I think) and whenever another character would visit the hotel he would say "danger, danger" and wave his arms in reference to the robot on "Lost in Space" that always delivered that line whenever aliens were near.

Funny movie. I guess Jarmusch like a lot of us were held captive of that show back in the 60's when there were only 3 channels and everything sucked most of the time. I hated "Lost in Space" but watched it anyway because that was the only thing on the air in that time slot.

[QUOTE=Alien Sake]Hi,

I often read here about Vietnamese offering their services in Cambodia.

Does anyone actually know why that is? I mean why do they go to a country that is even poorer (on paper)?[/QUOTE]The vietnamese in Cambodia can make more money there, It goes on in Vietnam but theres a lot of restrictrions, things like you can't take an escort to a hotel.

[QUOTE=Kuranyi]Been to heart of darkness yesterday and took a 21 year old from ghana out there. Never thought I would meet a black hooker in Cambodia.

ST was 25$. Did I overpay? Wasnt sure about hear of darkness prices and the exotic bonus. Performance was so so. No BJ but body was fine.[/QUOTE]


Yes, $25 for ST is overpaying. Unless this foreign woman was from a more western country then they will not settle for less but Ghana is still a 3rd world country to me so $25 is still too much.

Shark

[QUOTE=Iching]The vietnamese in Cambodia can make more money there, It goes on in Vietnam but theres a lot of restrictrions, things like you can't take an escort to a hotel.[/QUOTE]Yep, they make much, much more. Not so easy have enough money for a Mercedes SLS AMG GT3, without hotels :D Not a joke, i really hope noone tough this freelancers with their funny sad story, are seriously poor, right? ;)

I just met recently a freelancer, old friend, 28 years, on this car hanging around. Guess where..

[QUOTE=Iching]The vietnamese in Cambodia can make more money there, It goes on in Vietnam but theres a lot of restrictrions, things like you can't take an escort to a hotel.[/QUOTE]

Based on my trip to Vietnam in February this year you can take a girl to your room - depending on the hotel. In the higher end places you cannot but in the cheaper, often very nice places you can. One place told me before 10pm was ok. ST is fine with me so that worked. They didn't even blink when I brought 2 girls up.

I've wondered about all the Vietnamese in Cambodia too. Most of the girls I've done since I've been here have been Viets. Again, in my very limited experience it is much easier here in all ways. I'm in Siem Reap now and I met a Viet FL who lives next door to my guesthouse. I can call her and she comes right over - I asked her to bring a friend next time. She said she thinks she can. I met another one in town not far from pub st early one evening. Maybe she'll bring the other one I met, hahaha.

[QUOTE=Methos]Based on my trip to Vietnam in February this year you can take a girl to your room - depending on the hotel. In the higher end places you cannot but in the cheaper, often very nice places you can. One place told me before 10pm was ok. ST is fine with me so that worked. They didn't even blink when I brought 2 girls up.

I've wondered about all the Vietnamese in Cambodia too. Most of the girls I've done since I've been here have been Viets. Again, in my very limited experience it is much easier here in all ways. I'm in Siem Reap now and I met a Viet FL who lives next door to my guesthouse. I can call her and she comes right over - I asked her to bring a friend next time. She said she thinks she can. I met another one in town not far from pub st early one evening. Maybe she'll bring the other one I met, hahaha.[/QUOTE]There are raids, continuosly, in vietnam. And if the girl is caugh, go to jail. Nothing like this happens on cambodian hotels (Naga included) ;)

[QUOTE=Alien Sake]Hi,

I often read here about Vietnamese offering their services in Cambodia.

Does anyone actually know why that is? I mean why do they go to a country that is even poorer (on paper)?[/QUOTE]

Vietnam Invaded Cambodia and effectively ruled the country for ten years. a lot of Vietnamese moved to Cambodia at this time. A lot of Vietnamese have been born in Cambodia since and lived there all of there lives.

After reading good reports on the web about the 69 bar, I decided to try it last night.
At around 10pm I entered the door and discovered 2 male patrons inside surrounded by a dozen of hostess vultures - figuratively speaking. I was ready for some close combats...
As soon as I sat down, 3 hostesses engaged me and immediately gave me massages. One of them actually gave good massage, so encourage her to keep going. And after some time, I bought a round of drinks for them.
Pretty soon I spotted a cutie by the bar and I invited her over. By the time, the 2 men had left and I was the only guy in the establishment. She couldn't do a good massage, but I decided to keep her for takeout.
After a few more rounds of drinks, I asked her out but she said NO. What the fcuk?! Someone gave an explanation that she is having her period. I insisted and then heard another excuse that she's a virgin.
I thought that was my sign to cut the loss and paid the tab and ran. Damage was $37. More men had entered when I left...
I then crossed the street and checked out Candy bar. That bar is a dump. I saw a couple of lady boys as well. But fortunately I ran into a old girlfriend - Anna and so I took her out. 7 drinks altogether and barfine cost $30.
Anna took me to this disco that is around the corner of Walkabout called Saint Tropez (not sure if that's the real name, 'cause I only saw Khmer writing on the outside). Once inside I saw a few more cuties, but then it was too late to switch - not without ruining my little left reputation. But I will revisit that place very soon on my own. ;-)

Spaceman

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]
I then crossed the street and checked out Candy bar. That bar is a dump. I saw a couple of lady boys as well. [/QUOTE]

I was there less than a year ago, it seemed about the same as all those other bars in the area in terms of quality -- what set it apart was that it just had far MORE girls than other places around there. I didn't spot any lady boys -- sure about that? Ladyboys aren't too big a thing in PP, as far as I know (but always ready to be re-educated if things have changed).

As for 69, that kind of thing is common on 136 St and 104 St from what I've heard. I experienced it once myself on St 104 -- very enthusiastic attention, up until the moment I asked the girl I was with about going to the hotel. She wasn't available. Definitely changes the mood of the evening when that happens, from happy to very annoying. Not a very smart game on their part, I bet a lot of customers lose it when they hear that, being a few drinks in the bag and all, when guys are more likely to think everything is a person affront.

But if you work it a bit, play it cool, you can get somewhere with some of these girls on 104 and 136. I did manage it before I left PP. I guess sometimes it will be easy, sometimes it will take some effort, and sometimes the door will be slammed in your face no matter what you do. Sounds like the stories you got were just stories, probably. More likely is that she's one who either doens't go with customers or else only goes with ones she knows. So an expat in other words, and not a tourist.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I was there less than a year ago, it seemed about the same as all those other bars in the area in terms of quality -- what set it apart was that it just had far MORE girls than other places around there. I didn't spot any lady boys -- sure about that? Ladyboys aren't too big a thing in PP, as far as I know (but always ready to be re-educated if things have changed).

As for 69, that kind of thing is common on 136 St and 104 St from what I've heard. I experienced it once myself on St 104 -- very enthusiastic attention, up until the moment I asked the girl I was with about going to the hotel. She wasn't available. Definitely changes the mood of the evening when that happens, from happy to very annoying. Not a very smart game on their part, I bet a lot of customers lose it when they hear that, being a few drinks in the bag and all, when guys are more likely to think everything is a person affront.

But if you work it a bit, play it cool, you can get somewhere with some of these girls on 104 and 136. I did manage it before I left PP. I guess sometimes it will be easy, sometimes it will take some effort, and sometimes the door will be slammed in your face no matter what you do. Sounds like the stories you got were just stories, probably. More likely is that she's one who either doens't go with customers or else only goes with ones she knows. So an expat in other words, and not a tourist.[/QUOTE]I think one of the issues is that a number of the girls in those bars are married or with a long-term boyfriend.

I've had the same experience and it really winds me up. I remember thinking to myself at the time, 'if they're not there to screw what the hell are they there for? That's the point of it being a girlie bar.'

It's a terrible feeling, not being able to get laid in a girlie bar, it gives one pause.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I was there less than a year ago, it seemed about the same as all those other bars in the area in terms of quality -- what set it apart was that it just had far MORE girls than other places around there. I didn't spot any lady boys -- sure about that? Ladyboys aren't too big a thing in PP, as far as I know (but always ready to be re-educated if things have changed).

As for 69, that kind of thing is common on 136 St and 104 St from what I've heard. I experienced it once myself on St 104 -- very enthusiastic attention, up until the moment I asked the girl I was with about going to the hotel. She wasn't available. Definitely changes the mood of the evening when that happens, from happy to very annoying. Not a very smart game on their part, I bet a lot of customers lose it when they hear that, being a few drinks in the bag and all, when guys are more likely to think everything is a person affront.

But if you work it a bit, play it cool, you can get somewhere with some of these girls on 104 and 136. I did manage it before I left PP. I guess sometimes it will be easy, sometimes it will take some effort, and sometimes the door will be slammed in your face no matter what you do. Sounds like the stories you got were just stories, probably. More likely is that she's one who either doens't go with customers or else only goes with ones she knows. So an expat in other words, and not a tourist.[/QUOTE]The ladyboys are there. You better believe it.

There are plenty of girls that do go from bar 69 and all the bars on 104st and 136st. You just have to ask. The fact that you waited until you have bought several drinks is not her fault. Dont be shy. if its a girl you want to take out ask. Otherwise enjoy the company and have your fun while your in the bar.

There is a commonly accepted agreement on this forum about the fact that PP sex scene has be going down the hill for a while.

My current Khmer-very-bi GF and I (see pics below) are now trying to get some more excitement and to revive a bit the scene into meeting new couples for some 4some and moresome action with couples under 40 (she sets the rules...) with the same "sex for fun" mood.

The scene is now still slow but I believe that being more active could contribute to warm up Phnom Penh.

I will be back in PP by the end of this month. Interested to join? pm us and we will see what we can do from here!

Cheers,

Lulu

[QUOTE=Sabretongue]The ladyboys are there. You better believe it.[/QUOTE]

I didn't think the Candy bar was a dump. It is larger with more girls than most hostess bars. But then you can say virtually every bar in Cambodia is a dump.

Yup, there's a few ladyboys there. I don't recall of any other bars that has 'em. The owner (if it's the same owner from 2 years ago) said that she hires 'em because some people like 'em. Well, to each his own.

Wendella needs to retake "How to spot a ladyboy 101" LOL!

[QUOTE=GreenBud]
Wendella needs to retake "How to spot a ladyboy 101" LOL![/QUOTE]

Not really, I think it's a course I could teach. I was there about a year ago, and from my stool I didn't spot any. Doesn't mean they aren't there now, or even then -- maybe they just weren't near me. It's possible there could have been some I wouldn't have spotted, but my lay-dar is better than most. If there's guys here who say "there's ladyboys there", I would have spotted most if not all of them. Once I took part in a kind of online survey asking to look at 10 photos and pick out which were real girls and which real boys. Got one wrong. A few experts got all 10 right, most got 8 or less.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491]There are plenty of girls that do go from bar 69 and all the bars on 104st and 136st. You just have to ask. The fact that you waited until you have bought several drinks is not her fault. [/QUOTE]

Have to disagree. When they ask you for drinks one after another, are very touchy and affectionate, have never seen you before and therefore know you're a tourist, and also know you've almost surely been to Thailand already and therefore are expecting things to go a certain way, they're fully aware that they're playing on your expectation that after these drinks you'll be able to take the girl out. Otherwise who would lay out $40 (or however much) for free drinks for a bunch of girls who can't be taken out. (for that matter, who would go drink there?) But yes it looks like the reality is that you have to ask up front who here can go out and who can not. Which sucks. I think that's socially awkward enough that it rarely happens, and that's another key element of their game -- the game's set up so the inconvenient question won't often get asked; only the most hardcore mongers are going to actually ask that question.

First bar like that I went into, I felt totally scammed. I was getting massage from multiple angles, had the buxom #1 cutie next to me very affectionate and leaning against me while we talked. Then after too long a time and too many drinks, the jaw-droppingly shocking reply "No" when I asked her to go to hotel.

They play their customers, man. That's not our fault. They're the ones who write the script for the way it plays out. If you set something up in a deliberately deceptive way, yeah you have to own responsibility for that when the customer/victim is pissed off about it. Not that they would. But that's yet another aspect of the game: never own up. Plausible deniability.

I wonder if you think it's perfectly within their rights for Nigerian con men to send out their emails offering fake "lucrative business propositions". After all, its our responsibility to be careful. So therefore, they're not doing anything wrong. Cmon. That's lame.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Not really, I think it's a course I could teach. I was there about a year ago, and from my stool I didn't spot any. Doesn't mean they aren't there now, or even then -- maybe they just weren't near me. It's possible there could have been some I wouldn't have spotted, but my lay-dar is better than most. If there's guys here who say "there's ladyboys there", I would have spotted most if not all of them. Once I took part in a kind of online survey asking to look at 10 photos and pick out which were real girls and which real boys. Got one wrong. A few experts got all 10 right, most got 8 or less.[/QUOTE]

I was just joking. The ladyboys might not have been there at that particular time.

I'm not an expert, but my method is foolproof in spotting the ladyboys (or ex-guys). When in doubt, pass! There are so many others around that are obviously female.

I am finding more and more bars are employing young attractive girls who do not go with customers. I have had several incidents where I have had a very attractive young girl being very attentive and amorous, buy her drinks etc and then leaving the bar alone and pissed off. I make sure now, if I like a lady, that I find out earlier rather than later what the score is, saves a lot of anguish later in the evening.

As far as bars employing ladyboys goes, this is not a bad thing, as long as you don't get fooled (Unless of course you want to) I have found bars that have ladyboys, the girls are much more likely to perform better, because they have to compete to a certain extent with what the ladyboys do.

[QUOTE=GreenBud]I was just joking. The ladyboys might not have been there at that particular time.

I'm not an expert, but my method is foolproof in spotting the ladyboys (or ex-guys). When in doubt, pass! There are so many others around that are obviously female.[/QUOTE]Actually that doesn't sound like such a good method. First, let's admit it, a number of ladyboys are freakin' hot. They have a height advantage over females and I have seen some that were absolute stunners. This means that you have to be a bit careful of tall, stunning women. But not all tall, stunning women are ladyboy, some of them are just hot women, and you don't want to be rejecting these for something that is 'more obviously female'. Second, you're instincts will probably fail you at least once during your life, so perhaps you're going to find yourself in a sticky situation one day.

But really, just go with the flow, what's the worst that could happen? If it turns out you let one slip under the gaydar, just make your excuses, back away slowly and then run like hell! LOL.

Actually I have heard very few confirmed stories where a man was 'fooled' by a ladyboy. Most ladyboys flaunt their status rather than try to hide it and most men who go with them know exactly what they're dealing with 99% of the time.

[QUOTE=Rooter;1100761]I am finding more and more bars are employing young attractive girls who do not go with customers. I have had several incidents where I have had a very attractive young girl being very attentive and amorous, buy her drinks etc and then leaving the bar alone and pissed off. I make sure now, if I like a lady, that I find out earlier rather than later what the score is, saves a lot of anguish later in the evening.[/QUOTE]Nice to know that things haven't changed in Phnom Penh these past few years! Last time I was there was 2008, and it was the same story. Go into a bar, buy a girl a few drinks, chat her up for an hour while she kisses me amorously and grinds on me, touching and feeling all the right spots. But when it's time to take her out, I discover that she's "busy" or doesn't go with customers. What you need to do is ask. Be blunt and straightforward. If she asks you for a drink, before you buy, ask "do you go with customers?" If she's flippant or vague about it, then move on. It's not like Thailand where you know the score as soon as you walk into the bar.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1100732]Not really, I think it's a course I could teach. I was there about a year ago, and from my stool I didn't spot any. Doesn't mean they aren't there now, or even then. Maybe they just weren't near me. It's possible there could have been some I wouldn't have spotted, but my lay-dar is better than most. If there's guys here who say "there's ladyboys there", I would have spotted most if not all of them. Once I took part in a kind of online survey asking to look at 10 photos and pick out which were real girls and which real boys. Got one wrong. A few experts got all 10 right, most got 8 or less.

Have to disagree. When they ask you for drinks one after another, are very touchy and affectionate, have never seen you before and therefore know you're a tourist, and also know you've almost surely been to Thailand already and therefore are expecting things to go a certain way, they're fully aware that they're playing on your expectation that after these drinks you'll be able to take the girl out. Otherwise who would lay out $40 (or however much) for free drinks for a bunch of girls who can't be taken out. (for that matter, who would go drink there?) But yes it looks like the reality is that you have to ask up front who here can go out and who can not. Which sucks. I think that's socially awkward enough that it rarely happens, and that's another key element of their game. The game's set up so the inconvenient question won't often get asked; only the most hardcore mongers are going to actually ask that question.

First bar like that I went into, I felt totally scammed. I was getting massage from multiple angles, had the buxom #1 cutie next to me very affectionate and leaning against me while we talked. Then after too long a time and too many drinks, the jaw-droppingly shocking reply "No" when I asked her to go to hotel.

They play their customers, man. That's not our fault. They're the ones who write the script for the way it plays out. If you set something up in a deliberately deceptive way, yeah you have to own responsibility for that when the customer / victim is pissed off about it. Not that they would. But that's yet another aspect of the game: never own up. Plausible deniability.

I wonder if you think it's perfectly within their rights for Nigerian con men to send out their emails offering fake "lucrative business propositions". After all, its our responsibility to be careful. So therefore, they're not doing anything wrong. Cmon. That's lame. [/QUOTE]Well even in the Thai go-gos now there are more and more girls that don't go out. The bars in Cambodia are called hostess bars after all and yes I am a hardcore monger who normally negotiate exactly what I expect in the room as well.

As for the Nigerian scammers It is my believe and I think it was quoted by someone famous a long time ago. That you can only con a dishonest man. All there scams involve you doing something that is illegal or is morally wrong.

One of the reasons I moved to Cambodia was I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for your own actions and their outcomes. Cambodia used not to have all these stupid laws that were created to protect you from yourself.

Please do not take this as a personal attack I enjoy your post and the information you provide others.

Perhaps you could actually blame the expats for some of the hostess bar behavior. There are many expats who treat the hostess bars as just a regular bar where you go to have a drink with your mates. And why not the drink prices are exactly the same if not cheaper in some cases, and for $3 a lady drink you can have a girl sit next to you and rub your crotch or give you a neck massage while you converse with your mates and play grab ass with the girls.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491; 1101040]Well even in the Thai go-gos now there are more and more girls that don't go out. The bars in Cambodia are called hostess bars after all and yes I am a hardcore monger who normally negotiate exactly what I expect in the room as well.

As for the Nigerian scammers It is my believe and I think it was quoted by someone famous a long time ago. That you can only con a dishonest man. All there scams involve you doing something that is illegal or is morally wrong.

One of the reasons I moved to Cambodia was I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for your own actions and their outcomes.

[/QUOTE]Well fortunately (?) things are set up so that we have no choice but to take responsibility for our actions. It's not like they're going to let us leave the bar without paying or anything.

"You can only con a dishonest man" is a myth. Do you really believe that Nigerian scammers abide by any kind of code of ethics like that? Friend of mine got cheated by a Nigerian coworker (!) who told him he could get him airline tickets at 10% less than they were offering at the travel agencies. Months later, turned out the piece of paper he got out of it for his $800 was just a reservation. I'm not saying there aren't any scams that play on the victim's own dishonesty, but there's also a lot more that don't. Your cute bit of folk wisdom says no, there's no such thing. Flat false. Fraud is a crime in every country in the world. When caught, the penalty is prison time. If you set out to deceive people in order to cheat them out of their money, that's fraud. I guess if you're saying that "the world is dangerous, so you have to be careful". Ok fair enough. Sure, of course. But if you're also saying that scammers are not to blame, or responsible, for their actions, then I'd say that seems a bit weird. I mean, if you did the same thing back to them and took them for any significant amount of money as a result, you wouldn't last long-so they sure don't see it that way.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1101043]Perhaps you could actually blame the expats for some of the hostess bar behavior. There are many expats who treat the hostess bars as just a regular bar where you go to have a drink with your mates. And why not the drink prices are exactly the same if not cheaper in some cases, and for $3 a lady drink you can have a girl sit next to you and rub your crotch or give you a neck massage while you converse with your mates and play grab ass with the girls.[/QUOTE]My gut feeling is to just blame the scammer for the scam and not to look elsewhere for people to blame. Seriously, they know they're playing a game. We know (after it happens) that we just got taken. I think those places expect to take some shit for it, and do take some shit for it pretty regularly. Every night, I would think. They know the score. The only part I don't get is why there's apologists for them up here. A scammer is a scammer. They don't need our help building sympathy for them. Their scams work fine without it.

Don't get me wrong. I think scammers are one of the lowest forms of life. They prey on the weak and vulnerable. Most often on people who are doing it tough and are looking for a bit of easy money. I make absolutely no apologies for them and hope they get either street justice or the book thrown at them. Scammers have no ethics they are thieves pure and simple.

However I don't think that most girls in the PP bars are scammers. I don't think they try to deceive punters into thinking that they will go home and fuck them if they are bought drinks. In fact if you do ask do they go out even before you by them a drink they will give you an honest answer even knowing that they may now not get a drink.

To me the whole idea of working girls is to cut out the nonsense of romance and heart break and all that drama.

I have a great time in the bars the girls treat me excellent I am considered a friend to lots of them.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491; 1101142]Don't get me wrong. I think scammers are one of the lowest forms of life. They prey on the weak and vulnerable. Most often on people who are doing it tough and are looking for a bit of easy money. I make absolutely no apologies for them and hope they get either street justice or the book thrown at them. Scammers have no ethics they are thieves pure and simple.

However I don't think that most girls in the PP bars are scammers. I don't think they try to deceive punters into thinking that they will go home and fuck them if they are bought drinks. In fact if you do ask do they go out even before you by them a drink they will give you an honest answer even knowing that they may now not get a drink.

To me the whole idea of working girls is to cut out the nonsense of romance and heart break and all that drama.

I have a great time in the bars the girls treat me excellent I am considered a friend to lots of them. [/QUOTE]I hear ya. Though I'd say your personal experience with these girls differs from others', including mine. Maybe its cuz you're an expat and I'm a tourist. They know not to pull these tricks on you. And to be fair, I wasn't treated that all the time or even mostly. Just ONCE actually. That is, one time when I went into one of those bars and decided I wanted to take out the one I was with, I got every impression from her up to that point that this was something that could happen if I wanted. But from what I read here, it sounds like that experience is common for others (at least some of the ones who post their experiences here). Actually I went to many of these bars but only saw that one that I wanted to go out with. That night at least. On another night I spotted one in a different bar, and it was obvious from the expression on her face that it was no-go with her. And on another night, I was talking with a girl who I was definitely interested in. And after very delicately putting the question to her, got a definite maybe which turned into a 'not tonight, tomorrow'. And that turned out to be what happened, took her out the next night at the scheduled time. It seemed to me that the reason I got the No on night #1 was because she was already booked by another customer. I think I spotted that transaction go down when she made a trip back to the bar to go pick up some customers' drinks.

But in that first bar, it was obvious I was being scammed. That girl turned on the juice full throttle. And the one who did go with me, she seemed shy if anything, definitely not trying to play up to me at all.

So I guess the qusetion is whether management of these places encourages the girls to do like the 1st one. I would bet that they do. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't discourage it. And you know that must lead to one bad scene after another from tourist customers. They can't be unaware.

Wow, I notice we can say 'shit' now. It used to show up as ****.

Hi, I am planning to stay for a while (maybe up to a year) in Cambodia from around February on.

I have read a lot of valuable reports here about the different cities, but what is your opinion about what's the best place to go to in regard of price / quality / quantity?

[i]Phnom Penh, Battambang (hardly read anything about it here) , Siem Riep or Sihanoukville? [/i]

Also what are the chances to find a longer-term relationship for a not-unattractive, fit guy in his end-20's?

Thanks a lot for your help to a Cambodia-newbie!

Depends on what yu intend on doing while in Cambo.

Snooky has beaches. Nothing else to do there except FSE (fuck sleep and eat). There's a casino.

PP has some touristy stuff. There's a casino FSE.

SR has Angko, FSE.

BB. Beats me what's there. Probably pretty cheap, though, You would prob need to speak Khmer there more than the others.

That's my 2 bhat.... Er... riel anyway

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1100225]After reading good reports on the web about the 69 bar, I decided to try it last night.

At around 10pm I entered the door and discovered 2 male patrons inside surrounded by a dozen of hostess vultures. Figuratively speaking. I was ready for some close combats.

As soon as I sat down. 3 hostesses engaged me and immediately gave me massages. One of them actually gave good massage, so encourage her to keep going. And after some time, I bought a round of drinks for them.

Pretty soon I spotted a cutie by the bar and I invited her over. By the time, the 2 men had left and I was the only guy in the establishment. She couldn't do a good massage, but I decided to keep her for takeout.

After a few more rounds of drinks, I asked her out but she said NO. What the fcuk? Someone gave an explanation that she is having her period. I insisted and then heard another excuse that she's a virgin.

I thought that was my sign to cut the loss and paid the tab and ran. Damage was $37. More men had entered when I left.

I then crossed the street and checked out Candy bar. That bar is a dump. I saw a couple of lady boys as well. But fortunately I ran into a old girlfriend. Anna and so I took her out. 7 drinks altogether and barfine cost $30.

Anna took me to this disco that is around the corner of Walkabout called Saint Tropez (not sure if that's the real name, 'cause I only saw Khmer writing on the outside). Once inside I saw a few more cuties, but then it was too late to switch. Not without ruining my little left reputation. But I will revisit that place very soon on my own. .

Spaceman[/QUOTE]About your disco expeirence, can your share more with us (me). I also went to some of these disco's and yes the talent their seems much better then you will find in many bars. I expeirenced two problems: many of these girls don't speak English (or refuse to do) and making contact wasn't a hurdle. Is that because I am 50+ and these girls are not looking for a suggardaddy or?

Hope too hear your expierences.

The place is crab and some of the girls their also but if you wait and have the time from time till time you can find some pearls into this place as well.

Was there for the first time in August and had some nice hours late afternoon, a lot of fun playing pool and took also some young (20ish) girls too my hotel for the other fun part.

Some weeks ago I visited again, downstairs overloaded with people (in my view more long time stayers / expat people than tourist like me) and a large popularity of girls (more older than the youngsters that I saw in August). Did, over 3 days not found what I like to take out. Last week I was again in PP and to WA. More or less the same as last time.

On a certain evening (late, after 12 midnight) I played some round of pool with girls upstairs and on a certain moment I was alone on the balcony drinking and smoking. A 25+ girl, max 40 kilo approached me and asked if I would like to take her out. My spontaneous reaction: first see if you can win 3 rounds of pool from me and then you get your price!

Not sure (influenced by alcohol) if she or I won but I took her to my hotel (hotellandscape. Com – on the riverside). Upfront we discussed the price (US $20 for short time and if I wanted to take pics she wanted $10 extra).

Had some rounds of fun with her and kicked her out after around 1, 5 hours, took many pictures but on a certain moment she said 'pictures only for you not for the internet', well that is what I have too respect for that reason only some pics where you can't recognize here).

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1101910]About your disco expeirence, can your share more with us (me). I also went to some of these disco's and yes the talent their seems much better then you will find in many bars. I expeirenced two problems: many of these girls don't speak English (or refuse to do) and making contact wasn't a hurdle. Is that because I am 50+ and these girls are not looking for a suggardaddy or?

Hope too hear your expierences. [/QUOTE]Heart of Darkness you will find plenty of freelancers who speak (little) english. My experience is that most of the girls there are working girls but be careful. The occasional girl may have come in with some local "big" guy. Stay away from those girls. Better to obeserve the girl for a moment (to make sure she hasn't a rich local boyfriend) before you approach.

The Saint Tropez disco has far fewer tourists and more expats. Girls are a mixed bag there but most do speak a few words of english. In the Saint Tropez you'll find less girls looking for a sugardaddy since some of the girls have genuine jobs, their own shops or already a sugardaddy.

Have fun

[QUOTE=Sabretongue;1100553]The ladyboys are there. You better believe it.[/QUOTE]There are 4 lady boys at Candy Bar at the moment, I believe. All are pretty easy to spot, IMO.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1100732]Have to disagree. When they ask you for drinks one after another, are very touchy and affectionate, have never seen you before and therefore know you're a tourist, and also know you've almost surely been to Thailand already and therefore are expecting things to go a certain way, they're fully aware that they're playing on your expectation that after these drinks you'll be able to take the girl out. Otherwise who would lay out $40 (or however much) for free drinks for a bunch of girls who can't be taken out. (for that matter, who would go drink there?) But yes it looks like the reality is that you have to ask up front who here can go out and who can not. Which sucks. I think that's socially awkward enough that it rarely happens, and that's another key element of their game -- the game's set up so the inconvenient question won't often get asked; only the most hardcore mongers are going to actually ask that question. [/QUOTE]And I have to respectfully disagree with you, as well. It is possible the girl knew what she was doing and was leading you on, but it is more likely she did not. The girls in Phnom Penh know next to nothing about what goes on in a Thai go-go, and no, they won't necessarily assume a tourist has been to Thailand already. Some have, some haven't. Also, an increasing number are coming from KTVs and similar clubs that cater to Asians-I guess their business is down substantially. I have been to such bars in other countries, especially China, and there were always a large subset of girls who did not go out, but they were just as hands on and affectionate in the club as the ones who did. As far as who would lay out $40 and not expect more-lots of guys (to my dismay, as well) , especially those I see as the new breed of Cambodian expat. These are the guys who have been arriving in increasing numbers the last few years, who are typically in their 20s and 30s, work for NGOs or foreign multinationals, and have lots of cash to burn and often a girlfriend or wife they are faithful to. I met one such guy who had been in town for a few months and still did not realize the girls in hostess bars were available for take out, and this was the third time he had been out to them. Yes, you need to ask right away if a girl will go with you, if you want to be 100% sure. Sorry if that seems like a mood killer for you, but I disagree that the game is set up so that people won't ask that early. I believe it is only your own preference that prevents it. Koreans and other Asians do it immediately if they have any doubts and it is important to them, as they are used to KTVs where this usually needs to be specified up front. I have only run into one situation where I or someone I know asked this question up front and was lied to, whereas that happens often in Thailand. BTW, I don't think I have ever bought a girl in Asia more than three lady drinks in one visit to her bar, and even that is a rarity. If they see a guy laying out $40 for lady drinks, they will know with little doubt that he is a tourist, and probably not one who has spent much time in Cambodia. The only bars in Phnom Penh where I have seen consistent pressure from multiple girls to press for lady drinks are Zanzibar and to a lesser extent Bar 69. This comes from what the female Cambodian managers are telling the girls to do. Anywhere else, it is just the occasional girl who will be pushy about it.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1101043]Perhaps you could actually blame the expats for some of the hostess bar behavior. There are many expats who treat the hostess bars as just a regular bar where you go to have a drink with your mates. And why not the drink prices are exactly the same if not cheaper in some cases, and for $3 a lady drink you can have a girl sit next to you and rub your crotch or give you a neck massage while you converse with your mates and play grab ass with the girls.[/QUOTE]I do this frequently, but I don't think expats like me are the type who have caused the recent increase in girls who don't go out, since we know the value of our money. $1 an hour is about all such service goes for on the local market, and I often pay that in the form of a tip, not a lady drink. However, the "new breed" I described above is another story. Also, the economy has resulted in a fair number of former garment factory and similar workers coming to bars. Most don't go out, and don't last very long.

[QUOTE=Alien Sake; 1101361]Hi, I am planning to stay for a while (maybe up to a year) in Cambodia from around February on.

I have read a lot of valuable reports here about the different cities, but what is your opinion about what's the best place to go to in regard of price / quality / quantity?

[i]Phnom Penh, Battambang (hardly read anything about it here) , Siem Riep or Sihanoukville? [/i]

Also what are the chances to find a longer-term relationship for a not-unattractive, fit guy in his end-20's?

Thanks a lot for your help to a Cambodia-newbie! [/QUOTE]For P4P, PP is the only place worth going. Sihanoukville used to have a good scene, but it is pathetic now. Your chances are fantastic at finding a GF anywhere in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1101910]About your disco expeirence, can your share more with us (me). I also went to some of these disco's and yes the talent their seems much better then you will find in many bars. I expeirenced two problems: many of these girls don't speak English (or refuse to do) and making contact wasn't a hurdle. Is that because I am 50+ and these girls are not looking for a suggardaddy or? [/QUOTE]Sounds like you went to the discos that are not freelancer hangouts, such as DJ Club, Sparks, Elements, etc. Generally speaking, if the male patrons are predominately Cambodian, you are not going to find hookers there. At Heart of Darkness, Martini, Riverhouse, and Rock (presumably-I haven't been in 2 years) , you will. There were none at St. Tropez when I went, but that was when it had just opened. They may well be going there now. It is aimed at the upscale expat and Cambodian customer, or at least that was the initial target market. After seeing the drink prices, I never returned.

What was Svay Pak and why are people in this thread so happy about the possibility of a new one?

[QUOTE=Alien Sake; 1099533]Hi,

I often read here about Vietnamese offering their services in Cambodia.

Does anyone actually know why that is? I mean why do they go to a country that is even poorer (on paper)? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Traveler Tom;1102473][/QUOTE]Perhaps because they were born there?

[QUOTE=Evianist;1102352]What was Svay Pak and why are people in this thread so happy about the possibility of a new one?[/QUOTE]It was the local wall to wall, house to house brothels area with almost unlimited choices in ladies and all for a cheap pirce of a few $ a shot.

Will there be another place like this in PP. Don't think so as all the NGOs and current gov't have killed the industry here.

FZ

[QUOTE=Sabretongue; 1100552]I think one of the issues is that a number of the girls in those bars are married or with a long-term boyfriend.

I've had the same experience and it really winds me up. I remember thinking to myself at the time, 'if they're not there to screw what the hell are they there for? That's the point of it being a girlie bar. '

It's a terrible feeling, not being able to get laid in a girlie bar, it gives one pause. [/QUOTE]Absolutely. Like I wrote enough times. 99% of girls have a long term bf, mostly rich barang (foreigner) , sometimes khmer. And funnily, either with a barang, they have one more khmer bf, to be sure haha. If you're so lucky to find one without barang bf, don't be so sure there isn't a khmer man waiting to have enough money for marry her.

[QUOTE=Sabretongue;1100553]The ladyboys are there. You better believe it.[/QUOTE]Agree, sadly.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1101184]I hear ya. Though I'd say your personal experience with these girls differs from others', including mine. Maybe its because you're an expat and I'm a tourist. [/QUOTE]Same experience at all. When you know how the game works, after long time, your attitude is completely clear, subconsciously you act in a "pro-manner" and they know or feel you're not a fool and you know the price of everything, and you're here for YOUR price and service. And when is time to change from "amateur monger" to "pro", your eyes will recognize, like me and Wendella and million others, who is a waste of time, who is available, who next day. Sometimes agree, if the girl is a professional fake, and you feel inside there is something wrong, there is, so ask the price, either not so directly but with funny ways, will gives you the answer. And change bar, or girl, quickly! Haha. .

[QUOTE=Shadow6491; 1101040]Well even in the Thai go-gos now there are more and more girls that don't go out. The bars in Cambodia are called hostess bars after all and yes I am a hardcore monger who normally negotiate exactly what I expect in the room as well.

As for the Nigerian scammers It is my believe and I think it was quoted by someone famous a long time ago. That you can only con a dishonest man. All there scams involve you doing something that is illegal or is morally wrong.

One of the reasons I moved to Cambodia was I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for your own actions and their outcomes. Cambodia used not to have all these stupid laws that were created to protect you from yourself.

Please do not take this as a personal attack I enjoy your post and the information you provide others. [/QUOTE]It's the attitude from the beginning the problem, from the monger. If someone is going to Cambodia for fuck, reading around how easy is, obiouvsly you PRETEND, like others you read on internet, your girl. When expectations doesn't realize, the monger go angry. Why, I ask. They are not holes near a table. Instead girls with a brain, free to answer "No, no boom boom" to everyone, till a handsome rich young (fool if possible) guy comes in the bar, well, strangely you will see the girl hand by hand going to fuck.

How is possible? No, he isn't the bf, you can hear them talking about what's your name how old are you till let's go.

They choose, when beautiful, that's all. .

How you're wrong, about con. Con, is an ability. And the fool is not dishonest, just a fool wants quick money. And no, not all the scams from a con are illegal things. Just something fools heavily wants, and no idea how to realize. Is it so different from the moto driver answer you "yes yes I know I know, I bring you beautiful girl cheap cheap"?
And ask 30$ for a karaoke girl, giving back to the papasan 10000 riel, later. Did you know her price was 10000 riel? You just ask a young pretty girl. With no idea where the hell is, hehe. .

[QUOTE=Alien Sake; 1101361]Hi, I am planning to stay for a while (maybe up to a year) in Cambodia from around February on.

I have read a lot of valuable reports here about the different cities, but what is your opinion about what's the best place to go to in regard of price / quality / quantity?

[i]Phnom Penh, Battambang (hardly read anything about it here) , Siem Riep or Sihanoukville? [/i]

Also what are the chances to find a longer-term relationship for a not-unattractive, fit guy in his end-20's?

Thanks a lot for your help to a Cambodia-newbie! [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dinghy; 1101585]Depends on what yu intend on doing while in Cambo.

Snooky has beaches. Nothing else to do there except FSE (fuck sleep and eat). There's a casino.

PP has some touristy stuff. There's a casino FSE.

SR has Angko, FSE.

BB. Beats me what's there. Probably pretty cheap, though, You would prob need to speak Khmer there more than the others.

That's my 2 bhat. Er. Riel anyway[/QUOTE]This is exactly what you will do, everywhere. FSE. Is it what you was searching? Well, if hang around is too much for you, like someone else told you, PP will fit you. .

[QUOTE=Hippie; 1102104]There are 4 lady boys at Candy Bar at the moment, I believe. All are pretty easy to spot, IMO.

And I have to respectfully disagree with you, as well. . [/QUOTE]The answer is easy. A lot, more than I expected honestly, japanese men go to Cambodia. Well, like every pure jap man, they go to pubs like 69 or others just for a drink with useless chitchat with a young girl. They absolutely don't expect sex. And this is a billionaire business in japan. So probably, the owner of the drink bar where someone of us can go, had a deep talk with a jap guy, who explained how things works. He tried, jap men came, was real! Obiouvsly, the owner is enough fool to forget customers aren't just japanese. And a western man, wants to fuck! Why care, they made money on your back, you don't come back? Amen, next tourist-fool will come. It's typical, in Cambodia, this attitude, one shot money. Expecially in Siem Reap and PP. Works? No, after months reputation spreads, and magically the bar change owner / closed / change location. One shot, short time and close, it's the Chinese attitude spreads everywhere now. Suggestion: google around, read this forum, make a clear idea where to go where not. Hang around in the center and try a cute place with no idea what is inside, is a 50/50, wanna try? .

[QUOTE=Evianist;1102352]What was Svay Pak and why are people in this thread so happy about the possibility of a new one?[/QUOTE]Because was a place full of young girls (very, honestly) , a huge numbers, difficult to count, all togheter, and super cheap. It's a dream, nowadays, that's why all wants it desperately, somewhere else.

One of the main differences between the working girls in Thailand and Cambodia is that Thai girls are primarily looking for older sponsors to pay them money each month so they can live with their Thai boyfriends, whereas Cambodian girls are looking for boyfriends, preferably youngish and white.

Not sure why the difference exists, but it does.

Many barang started to move and reside in Cambodia when shinawatra inforced immigration law in Thailand. And since 2005 Cambodian scene face serious crackdown, NGO push the pressure to the maxx. We saw the end of svay pak, the end of fair brothels in 63 street like tommy. By fair I mean barang was welcome, not overpriced and not robbed (except in 2 notorious well know place) , hun sen park girls almost disappear, toul kok gone, kin svay disappear totaly, barfine started to appeared in the bar scene etc the list could be so long.

Amazing also how short time price rise. From 3 dollars for khmer girl to 5 for viet cuties. Just check archives pictures. For cutties you got and those you have now for 20 USD.

This old good time has gone but many people still believe in this old good time.

The fact is Ngo want to concentrate and keep under heavy watching the p4p scene in phnom penh. For police it s double interesting because they can push bribes higher for closing eyes. For ngo= more mongers, more everything =more donations.

Basicaly about local brothels those located outside tourist place meaning close to toul kok and riverside they are always barang welcome for 5/6 dollars but those like in street 63 are clearly barang no welcome ever if you can speak khmer or come with khmer friends. Simply because barang= Ngo problems. But in both case the quality of girls has dropped dramaticaly. But some are still friendly, because their goal is to robbed you.

When brothels is raid? Depend who are the girls. Khmer girls go out quickly after a small" fine" it s often very risky to arrest and bribe Cambodian brothels because its hard to knwo who is behind and thing can turn badly (some years ago military exchange gun fire with cops in toul kok, this khmer brothel brothel was control by military, cops ignored this fact and try to racket the place) , viet girls are more vulnerable because they are illegal immigrant so they have to paid more, if they cannot or they are deportated, but more often they stay in jail 1 month and paid her fine with her body if she is attractive.

Like you said taking a motodop for finding girl is a pure dream and for sure he will bring you the lousiest place where he will get maximum of profit. How many time I listen idiot barang paying 20 or 30 dollars for short time in a wood schack brothel during the time I was bonking another brothel girl in another room for 5 dollars!

Also if many motodop speak few english their understanding is close to zero. So they hardly understand your request.

Many Cambodian bar girl are not so expert as thai bar girl but they learn quickly. In 2005 I was with a friend in Walkabout bar, talking with a working girl, a khmer girl from kompong cham. She already got 4 sponsors one from france, one from austria, another from south koread and the last one an americain. She got 1200 dollars just with money transfer every month. Without added the money she make each month with customer.

Cambodia is not totally dead some place offered always large numerous brothel area. For low price. But don t expect viet cutties in their 18-20 years old for 5 dollars anymore. Simply because now they can get 60 to 100 Singapore dollars per hour in Singapore rld or 40 USD in Malaysia per hour. Where they are very wanted.

After visiting almost all south east asia. I agree with Marrow that Thailand is the easiest country for P4P holiday in term of choice, price and hassle free. Despite I will prefered another country.

Yes time in Cambodia has change and those living in the old time, with their certainty form the past will be badly disapointed.

Cheers,

Marrow

Try Dream Bar, Srey Saan used to work there with big nice boobies!

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1102824]One of the main differences between the working girls in Thailand and Cambodia is that Thai girls are primarily looking for older sponsors to pay them money each month so they can live with their Thai boyfriends, whereas Cambodian girls are looking for boyfriends, preferably youngish and white.

Not sure why the difference exists, but it does. [/QUOTE]Probably because the Thai girls believe in money more than they believe in love, whereas the Khmer girls aren't yet so jaded.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1103281]Has anyone seen any busty girls in PP? Do tell, please.[/QUOTE]Barbados has some winners these days (St 130)

Visited 69 bar, Rose bar and Candy bar. Hostesses are either too ugly, old or fat. I did see a rare gem at 69 bar, but was told that she's still a virgin and doesn't go out with customers. Oh well.

Visited the new Darling Darling disco at Nagaworld. More spaceous and with a live band and $8 Heineken and many half-drunk tourists. Crap! The same girls from Sharky's were there! No next time for me. Why bother? Riverhouse is much better.

My fun for this trip was the task of attempting to pickup a Walkabout waitress. Problem was that her English was almost non-existent, she only talked bar! I didn't expect to get very far and I haven't. Only managed to get her home address and I will try to write. Does babelfish that English to Khmer translation? To be continued on the next trip.

Spaceman

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1103898]Visited 69 bar, Rose bar and Candy bar. Hostesses are either too ugly, old or fat. I did see a rare gem at 69 bar, but was told that she's still a virgin and doesn't go out with customers. Oh well.

Visited the new Darling Darling disco at Nagaworld. More spaceous and with a live band and $8 Heineken and many half-drunk tourists. Crap! The same girls from Sharky's were there! No next time for me. Why bother? Riverhouse is much better.

My fun for this trip was the task of attempting to pickup a Walkabout waitress. Problem was that her English was almost non-existent, she only talked bar! I didn't expect to get very far and I haven't. Only managed to get her home address and I will try to write. Does babelfish that English to Khmer translation? To be continued on the next trip.

Spaceman[/QUOTE]A sad reflection on the scene as it is these days.

With respect to translations, you will be lucky to even find a computer with Khmer fonts installed, let alone something that will translate it for you.

"Don't bother writing, just send money." I'm sure that's what she would say if only she knew the right words. .

[QUOTE=D Cups;1105183]Has anyone seen a good rate on a flight from Chiang Mai to Phnom Penh (one-way)? The best I could find is Bangkok Air for $276 USD. I was hoping to do better than that. Thanks and happy mongering! .[/QUOTE]As far as I know, the price for this route was never cheap because there is almost no other airlines flying from there so no competition. Sometimes it may be alot cheaper to fly CM to BKK and then book 2nd flight from BKK to PP. Takes more time but could save you half the cost or more, especially if the flights are on sale. Ex: AirAsia.

Shark

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1103898]My fun for this trip was the task of attempting to pickup a Walkabout waitress. Problem was that her English was almost non-existent, she only talked bar! I didn't expect to get very far and I haven't. Only managed to get her home address and I will try to write. Does babelfish that English to Khmer translation? To be continued on the next trip.[/QUOTE]About five years ago when the pickings were still half decent in PP I tried to pull one of the Walkabout waitresses. After weeks of small talk she finally agreed to meet me for a meal on her day off. That morning I awoke fantasizing about fucking her up the ass. Hahaha. But when I arrived for 'our' date reality hit me in the face and I couldn't help but noticing she was accompanied by her father, sister, two nieces and an aunt who had tagged along to assess my suitability as a husband and future sponsor for the family. I ended up up forking out $75 on a meal for all seven of us and didn't even get to sit next my waitress, which was a far cry from what I had planned.

After an hour or two of being grilled by my halfwit future father-in-law I waved them all goodbye and legged it over to a brothel for a $5 shag. In retrospect I was a fool to veer away from that tried and tested MO in the first place. \

Another one of life's little lessons learned the hard way.

Basicaly about local brothels those located outside tourist place meaning close to toul kok and riverside they are always barang welcome for 5/6 dollars but those like in street 63 are clearly barang no welcome ever if you can speak khmer or come with khmer friends. Simply because barang= Ngo problems. But in both case the quality of girls has dropped dramaticaly. But some are still friendly, because their goal is to robbed you.

Why is barang not welcome? Go see for yourself.) But I would not recommend the place as you will not get any yum yum, the pimps will try to rip you off with a $40 quote and the girls will get upset if you refuse to hang your pants on the door-where you can't see them and someone else can sneek in and pick your wallet. It's a good place for the adventure but a poor value for the money. Heck I am still thinking of the viet girl there with the most perfect ass I have found to date. I will be able to get away from the wife for a few days. It will be sometime in late January, February. What is the current situation with Somaly's? Does anyone know the name of the karaoke place with khmer girls that is above the Chinese restaurant? Maybe philistine knows? I liked this place a lot. Oh, and if you don't want to be ripped blind just avoid all the karaoke places where the viet girls work. I don't know why so many of you are ranting and raving about the viet girls. Some are nice but most are cold bitches. Khmer girls are much nicer.

Where have all the hard core Svay Pakers gone? They moved on years ago to the land of curry and yoga wherein the party is in full swing. Some have gone onto Indonesia and others to a city on the Burmese / China border where the boom boom is still $2, the quality triple AAA and the garage door shops are at. You'll feel like you are in a time warp. I'll be in Kampuchea sometime in late January / February. I've made arraingments with my wingman to do a recon of Svay Pak. I'll let you guys know what the real deal is and if it is still jail bait city. I'll also recon a city in Cambodia that the No Gooders have not been able to crack.). I'll keep the city un-named for now but I just learned about it from a friend. Svay Pak is dead but its spirit lives on.).

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1105509]Where have all the hard core Svay Pakers gone? They moved on years ago to the land of curry and yoga wherein the party is in full swing. Some have gone onto Indonesia and others to a city on the Burmese / China border where the boom boom is still $2, the quality triple AAA and the garage door shops are at. n.).[/QUOTE]In Burma. Yangon for the next 16 days, could make a 3 to 4 days quick run to the city you mention on the Burmese / China border and report back, if you can give the name of this city.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1105509]Where have all the hard core Svay Pakers gone? They moved on years ago to the land of curry and yoga wherein the party is in full swing. Some have gone onto Indonesia and others to a city on the Burmese / China border where the boom boom is still $2, the quality triple AAA and the garage door shops are at. You'll feel like you are in a time warp. I'll be in Kampuchea sometime in late January / February. I've made arraingments with my wingman to do a recon of Svay Pak. I'll let you guys know what the real deal is and if it is still jail bait city. I'll also recon a city in Cambodia that the No Gooders have not been able to crack.). I'll keep the city un-named for now but I just learned about it from a friend. Svay Pak is dead but its spirit lives on.).[/QUOTE]Wouldn't mind getting a lady for $2, mind you to get to the Chinese / mayanmar border you would have to go through China, I hope your not leading us on a "wild goose chase" LOL.

[QUOTE=Member #2453;1105715]In Burma. Yangon for the next 16 days, could make a 3 to 4 days quick run to the city you mention on the Burmese / China border and report back, if you can give the name of this city.[/QUOTE]Ruili. Make sure you have Chinese visa before getting there. Be careful as this is heavy drug dealing, kidnapping, guerilla activity country. Check the latest info before heading out. There is action on the burmese side also. Take lots of greek soldiers with you. You won't find this low price high quality in cambo or Thailand. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1105509]Where have all the hard core Svay Pakers gone? They moved on years ago to the land of curry and yoga wherein the party is in full swing. Some have gone onto Indonesia and others to a city on the Burmese / China border where the boom boom is still $2, the quality triple AAA and the garage door shops are at. You'll feel like you are in a time warp. I'll be in Kampuchea sometime in late January / February. I've made arraingments with my wingman to do a recon of Svay Pak. I'll let you guys know what the real deal is and if it is still jail bait city. I'll keep the city un-named for now but I just learned about it from a friend. Svay Pak is dead but its spirit lives on.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Ruili, China & Muse Burma? I've done some investigating. These towns sound like the Wild West. Gambling, drugs and prostitution are pretty big time in Ruili and are also available in Muse to a lesser extent. I don't see why there has to be all this secrecy about it. A place like this is out of bounds for most. It is hard to get to, accommodations have got to be primitive and the place is not that safe. Still, sounds like a real adventure. The scenery is probably spectacular. Hey Asianpussylover, want another wing man? LOL.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1105821]Are you talking about Ruili, China & Muse Burma? I've done some investigating. These towns sound like the Wild West. Gambling, drugs and prostitution are pretty big time in Ruili and are also available in Muse to a lesser extent. I don't see why there has to be all this secrecy about it. A place like this is out of bounds for most. It is hard to get to, accommodations have got to be primitive and the place is not that safe. Still, sounds like a real adventure. The scenery is probably spectacular. Hey Asianpussylover, want another wing man? LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes it is! The Chinese government has been looking the other way but I am afraid if the place gets popular like svay park then we will loose another gem. All you who miss the Cambodia of old should run to Burma. There is plenty for you to discover. That will remain unsaid here. Enjoy!

[quote=evianist; 1106210]are you geniuses discussing on a public internet forum the best place in asia for **** girls?

i suspect many of you will be in the newspaper sooner rather than later. [/quote]i'm looking for cheap woman, i actualy miss the old wild west of cambodia. every time i go to cams now theres new buidings, roads, bridges. which i soppose is a good thing for cambodians.

[quote=evianist;1106210]are you geniuses discussing on a public internet forum the best place in asia for **** girls?[/quote]no. we are talking about an off the grid location where you will find lots of unspoiled pussy and a sense of adventure. you can find **** girls anywhere. i am not interested.

[quote=natty bumpo;1106398]no. we are talking about an off the grid location where you will find lots of unspoiled pussy and a sense of adventure. you can find **** girls anywhere. i am not interested.[/quote]

i guess i misunderstood that "jail bait city" comment...

i do enjoy unspoilt pussy and adventure. but no interest in 6 year olds.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1105794]Ruili. Make sure you have Chinese visa before getting there. Be careful as this is heavy drug dealing, kidnapping, guerilla activity country. Check the latest info before heading out. There is action on the burmese side also. Take lots of greek soldiers with you. You won't find this low price high quality in cambo or Thailand. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I actually went there and yes I know it is not in cambo and this is the pp thread, nevertheless, I want to warn you not to waste your time and money. Ruili was not at all unruly, if there was said action then I did not find it. It is a safe place however and the hotels that you are allowed to stay in are about 10$ and very nice at that (they all have a floormat in the elevator :good morning today is Monday.) I did not find any bars, but after a couple of days heard some thumping and went up by elevator to the fifth floor of my hotel and walked up another floor and yes there was a karaoke place so grotesque and tasteless that I just excused myself and went back down across the street got another cold beer (in Chinese, no english spoken there) and watched more tv in my room.

The only funny thing there was weed growing in a flower box right outside the post office. Just one small plant though. I do recommend that area of yunnan but not for the mongering. There where some dubious Chinese girls hanging out by the street corner but they were not at all interested in some foreigner 20 years older than them. Also note that you will not be able to cross the border there unless you are Chinese or burmese.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1105847]Yes it is! The Chinese government has been looking the other way but I am afraid if the place gets popular like svay park then we will loose another gem. All you who miss the Cambodia of old should run to Burma. There is plenty for you to discover. That will remain unsaid here. Enjoy![/QUOTE]To Asianpussylover

Ya this is a wild west town 10 yr ago but it been clean up by the Chinese government not much going on there anymore, it is just a border town to cross into Myynmar and SEASIA good place to shop for bargin good and gem, you can get visa in Kunming China before you go to the border.

Fast Eddie 48

Happy New Years everyone. I'm just a few weeks shy of humping my favorite girls in soi 6 Pattaya. I definetly plan to hit snookyville and some spots in phnom penh. Svay pak is seriously over due for a report. The place is supposed to be dead yet there is a trickle of reports of pussy being available there. 004 and I are going to do some serious recon of this place and let you know what the deal is. If nothing is happening then I will fall back to my favorite spots for viet pussy. I will try to sneak burma into my itinerary without the wife getting too suspicious. I am glad to hear that I am coming into town now that the crackdown is over. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Puchaidi; 1107982]Hi everybody,

I m living in PP for now 4 years. I have a new girlfriend for nearly 2 months and we are looking for some action.

So if you are a couple (man must have 25 to 50 yrs old) and you like party with us, please contact me. [/QUOTE]You account does not accept PM. Please change it.

[QUOTE=Marrow;1108183]Crackdown over? To be honest, my friend, is getting worst. Day by day. On 2011, cambodian's police plan is to arrest every girl a little sexy hanging on a motorbyke around PP. [/QUOTE]Crackdown in Phnom Penh was not occuring in December 2010.

Not sure what "they" plan to do in 2011.

There is no "moto-bike" scene is PP; might be getting confused with Saigon.

But as my driver said. Crackdowns come, but the houses always comes back. The locals need a place to release themselves. Many of the locals will pay extra ($5 instead of $2.50 or $3) for better quality. My guess is that the houses are connected (they pay off government officials).

Even with the previous crackdown, Martini, Sharkeys, LCC and all the hostess bars were still open.

Interesting story: the police attempted to clean up Hun Sen Park of FLs. But as soon as they were arrested, they got out and came back. The undercover police did not want to blow their cover and risk their lives for unimportant "crimes". The FLs are still there. If you go there, be careful!

I heard that there are some criminals working at one of the parks (not sure which one) that will steal your moto-bike helmet. If you chase them, they will pull out a knife. At night time, there aren't too many people around.

Another area which has FLs at night: Go up Monivong away from market; pass Asia Palace hotel; left on first possible street. Then you will see Cambodia "restaurant"; tables on sidewalk serving food. Then next street, there will be girls hanging around the corner. Again be careful; you prepay pimp; girls will steal and leave early if you allow them.

I agree with Greenbud on this one. There are still plenty of options in Phnom Penh. There has been a lot of talk of the crackdown and how dead this city is and so forth, but I don't really see it. There are still dozens of places to pick up working girls. Far more places than I've had time to explore. There have been lots of complaints about high prices, but $10 or $15 ST seems to be acceptable with every lady I've been with.

Hippie and Shadow6491, you guys were both talking about places to get a neck massage or your crotch rubbed for a lady drink or a small tip. Where were you guys talking about? I see neck massages in pretty much every bar, but no crotch rubbing. (Maybe I should be looking under the table?) The only bar I know of where the girls always rub your crotch is LCC. Could someone suggest some other bars where the girls are a bit more "hands on"?

Hello, to everybody!

I'm just back from a trip in SE asia, I want to share my (first) experience in Cambodia.

Aside Angkor that really must be seen, I decided to spend 3 days in PP before leaving to Bangkok.

I booked at hotel Trasak Pa-them, on St. 63 at the intersection with St. 184, not too far from the central market (about 1 Km) , not a great place but acceptable (but the breakfast is really awful).

Zero action in the riverside, back to the hotel I asked an "advice" to the night porter for a place to have fun before sleeping. One of the two guys smiled and escorted me just 20 mt. Along St. 63 in the direction of the central market. A joung guy was attending at the outside of a kind of shop / garage and said 10$ for massage & bum-bum. We went inside and there were 6. 8 girls all dressed like school girls, some really beautiful, I asked for the age and the boss said all of them were between 18-21.

I choose a very attractive and fresh girl and she accompained me in another room subdivided in 4-5 small boxes with curtains and a small bed inside. At least another customer was present in the place.

She undressed and began to massage my back and then asked me to turn around and continued up to start a hand-massage and then she started with a BJ, etc, etc. Her english was zero but I can say she was passionate. The place was very shabby but the experience was in the complex not bad at all.

I post a picture of the place, took on the next morning. The hotel is just near the bar on the left.

Out the door waiting for me there was the night porter and I offered him a beer bar in the "Rambo", right in front of the hotel, on the other side of St. 184.

He recommended another brothel like a little further toward the central market but on the other side of the St. 63, but according to him was worse than the first.

The next night I visited it. No need to ask because outside there was a guy and he said me if I was looking

For "massage & bum-bum". The request was 20$ but he agreed for 15$. Inside there were 5 girls, maybe older than in the first place but decent. I choose one and the service (and the place) where similar to the first.

Overall. Much better a trip to Patong or Pattaya in Thailand. During all my staty in the country the feeling was to be in a place not so safe, unpleasant.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1108449]I agree with Greenbud on this one. There are still plenty of options in Phnom Penh. There has been a lot of talk of the crackdown and how dead this city is and so forth, but I don't really see it. There are still dozens of places to pick up working girls. Far more places than I've had time to explore. There have been lots of complaints about high prices, but $10 or $15 ST seems to be acceptable with every lady I've been with.

Hippie and Shadow6491, you guys were both talking about places to get a neck massage or your crotch rubbed for a lady drink or a small tip. Where were you guys talking about? I see neck massages in pretty much every bar, but no crotch rubbing. (Maybe I should be looking under the table?) The only bar I know of where the girls always rub your crotch is LCC. Could someone suggest some other bars where the girls are a bit more "hands on"? [/QUOTE]Well If a girl ever asks me for a lady drink I tell her its not up to me. She then asks what you mean. I then proceed to tell her that it is up to my little friend and she has to be nice to him then she may get a drink.

the brothels on st 63 are not closed to barangs, or at least they weren't in august when i was in phnom penh. one day i was riding by on a tuk-tuk to go elsewhere and all the pimps outside were calling out to get me to stop. the next night i asked a driver where i could find some girls and he took me to street 63. it was one where a lot of them were dressed like schoolgirls, so maybe it was the same one the other poster went to, but it was obvious a lot of the girls were ****, and even though some were clearly old enough, i decided it was better not to get mixed up in that scene at all and left.

Stayed at Pavilion Hotel several months ago. Very comfortable but upon arrival it became immediately apparent that our hobby is not supported within its walls. Permanent sign stating such on the main entrance. Definitely should have read the thread!

NS

[quote=con333;1108962]the brothels on st 63 are not closed to barangs, or at least they weren't in august when i was in phnom penh. one day i was riding by on a tuk-tuk to go elsewhere and all the pimps outside were calling out to get me to stop. the next night i asked a driver where i could find some girls and he took me to street 63. it was one where a lot of them were dressed like schoolgirls, so maybe it was the same one the other poster went to, but it was obvious a lot of the girls were ****, and even though some were clearly old enough, i decided it was better not to get mixed up in that scene at all and left.[/quote]thanks for spilling the beans. now i hope that a raid will not occur.

I stayed at the Flamigos and every morning I took a motorbike to go to the Brown cafe. On several occassions, out of the blue in the middle of a street some guy that I didn't recongnize would wave at me and yell at me and try to catch my attention. Eventually I figured out that those must be viet brothel keepers trying to drum up business from obvious tourists. One of these days I would stop and check the merchandise.

Spaceman

When I was there in the early December, workers were putting finishing touches on the interior. This new disco is right next to the Flamingos hotel. The hotel manager told me that the disco would open by end of December. Does anyone know if it's opened yet? Any report? So many discos a stone-throw away from Heart of Darkness. When I return, I'll make sure I get a room on the other side away from the noise. At closing time, I wonder if the disco would turn into some sort of a Nana parking lot in Bangkok?

Spaceman

Here's another picture of the 63rd street brothel that Shivachandra described. It's a garage-like place with a blue and white striped awning. It's right between Rambo restaurant and a small cafe. If you look at the right side of my picture you can see some of the chairs of the cafe.

Usually there is a pimp right out front trying to hustle customers. They don't seem to mind inviting barang inside.

And if you go about 10 meters further away from Rambo restaurant and cross the street there are several more brothels mixed in with local cafes.

Personally I don't like these type of places, but I include this info for people who might be interested.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1109175]Thanks for spilling the beans. Now I hope that a raid will not occur.[/QUOTE]From all the years I've been to Cambodia, this much I do know.

Don't need to worry about raids being associated with what we do here. Raids occurs mainly as the local gov't give way to pressure from outside do-gooders (NGO, our gov't giving their gov't money to fund advancements in human rights, corruption, etc and they will do raids to show some progress being made).

Our forum have no impact on the overall monger scenes in Cambodia.

Shark

[QUOTE=Shivachandra; 1108642]I choose a very attractive and fresh girl and she accompained me in another room subdivided in 4-5 small boxes with curtains and a small bed inside. At least another customer was present in the place.

She undressed and began to massage my back and then asked me to turn around and continued up to start a hand-massage and then she started with a BJ, etc, etc. Her english was zero but I can say she was passionate. The place was very shabby but the experience was in the complex not bad at all.

I post a picture of the place, took on the next morning. The hotel is just near the bar on the left.

Out the door waiting for me there was the night porter and I offered him a beer bar in the "Rambo", right in front of the hotel, on the other side of St. 184.

He recommended another brothel like a little further toward the central market but on the other side of the St. 63, but according to him was worse than the first.

The next night I visited it. No need to ask because outside there was a guy and he said me if I was looking

For "massage & bum-bum". The request was 20$ but he agreed for 15$. Inside there were 5 girls, maybe older than in the first place but decent. I choose one and the service (and the place) where similar to the first.

Overall. Much better a trip to Patong or Pattaya in Thailand. During all my staty in the country the feeling was to be in a place not so safe, unpleasant.[/QUOTE]You were damn lucky they didn't try to steal anything from you in the room. The last time I visited a brothel in this area they tried to steal everything in my pants.

FZ

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1109194]Here's another picture of the 63rd street brothel that Shivachandra described. It's a garage-like place with a blue and white striped awning. It's right between Rambo restaurant and a small cafe. If you look at the right side of my picture you can see some of the chairs of the cafe.

Usually there is a pimp right out front trying to hustle customers. They don't seem to mind inviting barang inside.

And if you go about 10 meters further away from Rambo restaurant and cross the street there are several more brothels mixed in with local cafes.

Personally I don't like these type of places, but I include this info for people who might be interested. [/QUOTE]This place on your picture and the cafe just beside (some years ago it was a pure brothel) was always avoid during the golden age of street 63. Simply because they had the habit to robbed the barang customers. Just opposite your place you have another brothel. Until 2006 it was the famous Tommy Massage, now the name has change. Just 50 meters before Tommy, the legendary Laylay massage and his 70 girls inside for 5 USD.

Until 2006 the street 63 was a real paradise, barang friendly, in their majority safe, with really cute viet for just 5 USD ST

But now time has change. Barang are not very welcome, robbery toward the few westerners are common. Street 63 is now a place for local mongers.

If you venture in such kind of brothel now, just take what is strictly necessary, let your wallet, mobile, jewel in your hotel

I used to live in Vietnam up to a year ago and used to enjoy PP for a good weekend of relaxed action. I liked the relaxed small town feel of hanging around the river area and ease of going somewhere to pick up.

However, reading this board it seems all gloom and doom. I'm not very demanding: just a relaxed time staying on the river and enjoying some company from Street 136 (such as Candy) or picking up from Walkabout, Martini or Sharkeys or somewhere on 104 such as Rose Bar.

I'm thinking of hanging out in PP again in April. Is it really that dire that I won't have a nice relaxed but good time?

[QUOTE=TrickyTrevor; 1112515]I used to live in Vietnam up to a year ago and used to enjoy PP for a good weekend of relaxed action. I liked the relaxed small town feel of hanging around the river area and ease of going somewhere to pick up.

However, reading this board it seems all gloom and doom. I'm not very demanding: just a relaxed time staying on the river and enjoying some company from Street 136 (such as Candy) or picking up from Walkabout, Martini or Sharkeys or somewhere on 104 such as Rose Bar.

I'm thinking of hanging out in PP again in April. Is it really that dire that I won't have a nice relaxed but good time? [/QUOTE]Brother. Marrow and all these other wingers don't know nuthin'. PP is still a fun and sweet town for mongerin' if you're not stone cold drunk or high on drugs (or both). Common sense prevails for those that love PP. I think that the town still rocks, maybe not as before. But, hey, what do I know? I've only been here since '94.

[QUOTE=TrickyTrevor;1112515]Is it really that dire...?[/QUOTE]Yes.

There are NO (cute: re: thin) girls and the only westerners who live there are the ones who can no longer afford Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Melted11;1112610]PP is still a fun and sweet town for mongerin' if you're not stone cold drunk or high on drugs (or both). Common sense prevails for those that love PP. I think that the town still rocks, maybe not as before. But, hey, what do I know? I've only been here since '94.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am inclined to think this statement is closer to the truth than the end of the world gloom and doom point of view that has lately been promulgated on this forum. The chief proponent of this view has never explained the cause of his negativity. I am sure something (or things) very bad happened to him, but he seems to blame the entire country and all the people for it.

Even back in 2009, before the crackdown in late 2010, some guys were complaining that Penh was no longer good (at least compared to the golden years pre 2001). The main complaints seem to be that it costs more than $5 to get laid and you can't trust Cambodians. If going to 104 street and paying $20-25 for a sweet young Khmer lass for 3 or 4 hours is a bad thing, then there is nothing more I can say. Everybody is entitled to their point of view. As for the trust thing; When I travel, I don't trust anybody, not Thais, Filipinos, Chinese, Americans, or Euros. I just keep my eyes wide open, my nose clean, my powder dry, and I stay away from trouble.

I am sure things were pretty amazing back in those by gone days, but I had an excellent time in March '09. I stayed away in 2010, but now I will be heading back in a few weeks. I expect to enjoy myself, and you can bet your bottom dollar that I will report back as honestly and accurately as possible on what I find. The good, the bad, and the ugly.

[QUOTE=Melted11;1112610]Brother. Marrow and all these other wingers don't know nuthin'. PP is still a fun and sweet town for mongerin' if you're not stone cold drunk or high on drugs (or both).[/QUOTE]Hey I think PP can still be a fun and sweet town for mongerin' even if you're drunk and stoned!

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1112721]The chief proponent of this view has never explained the cause of his negativity.[/QUOTE]That's because that guy is a faker who gives false info. That guy is a pest. I can say that absolutely about the Cambodian thread (Can't really say that for certainty about other countries since I'm not that experienced in Vietnam)

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My trip to Penh is going to be very interesting, because either I am going to have a great time or I am going to be disappointed to some extent. It's no big deal to me if I am disappointed, because my Cambodian excursion is part of a much larger South East Asian itinerary that I have been planning for 6 months. I am almost ready to go to the airport right now!

I will most definitely report back on what I find; the quality of the Khmer girls, their attitude, performance, and specific prices. I will name names. As to my 2009 trip; I paid $20 for 3 to 4 hours of nonstop sex which included multiple soapy showers, multiple BBBJ's, and 3 shags in multiple positions. I report this not to show what a stud I am, but just to give an accurate description of what I experienced. All my Khmer friends were sweet and obliging. The sessions always lasted until I called it quits not the girls. They all seem to intimate that they would have kept on going for more rounds if I had desired it. But after 3 rounds, I was usually pretty satisfied so I would be the one to suggest that we go back to the bar for some drinks. Back at the bar, they always stayed by my side hugging me and kissing me until I had enough of that and I would take my leave and either head to another bar for more adventure or go back to the hotel to get some sleep.

I was very impressed with their attitude and demeanor back in March '09. The only things the girls were not up to was anal and bisexual although I did arrange a ménage one night ($20 per girl). I won't tell you all the girls in the bars were good looking. They weren't. But the ones I bar finned looked pretty good and could definitely hold their own against their Pattaya Go Go sisters. All in all, I spent time with some pretty nice girls. That's why I am going back.

[quote=marrow;1113091]oh, is it a flame i need to expect on every thread, mate? eww, not eighteen kiddos, please.[/quote]was that a freudian slip? are you 18?

[quote=marrow;1113091]someone link to him my intel of cambodia, few pages ago, please. i don't have time for kid flamers.[/quote]what is your writing stye? if it's an exaggeration style, then my apologies and ignore my replies to your post. but it seems that you want other people to believe all your numbers and exaggeration. as another poster wrote, it is better to have no info then incorrect info.

do you have any facts? all you write is "trust me". i know a few jokes on that; lol!

[quote=marrow; 1108215]how can you seriously talk about "crackdown is over"?

right now, on 2011, like i wrote on an other section, police is planning to arrest sexy girls on motorbyke. it's going to be and end, soon, and completely, the prostitution in cambodia. [/quote]crackdown is over. what was open in 2009 that is currently closed? (except for shops moving)

come on! lol! no one on this board knows what's going to happen in 2011; even the people in charge don't know; it depends on the political situation.

prostitution is a major part of the economy; rich people will lose money if they stop it.

[quote=marrow;1108459]st63 was close to barang, not khmer, on 2010, expecially rich, trust me.[/quote]during the crackdown, street 63 brothels and others were closed to all.

rich khmers do not go to shack brothels. i have never seen a lexus out in front. my moto-driver goes there. during the crackdown, it was closed to barangs and transport drivers (transport drivers are good sources of info only if you have used them previously, and they know that they can't scam you). how do you know it was open? you know rich khmers who like to do $5 shags?

on a side note, the $5 shag for locals is different from the $10 price for barangs. the locals are expected to quickly finish.

[quote=marrow;1108461]never try to hang around far (a few) from the center? u will see, like saigon, a lot of sexy superb viets hanging around on motorbyke going to fuck khmer customers on hotel or house. don't waste your time, they speak viet and khmer, either the driver. you can ask one, the price is 50-100$ (real price. 5-10$ for khmer). high quality, obiouvsly (performance from discrete to middle-high)[/quote]there is no moto-bike scene like the old days of saigon's district 1. pimps or moto-dope drivers will drive girls to your hotel. i've seen a male pimp and couple fls around their moto-bikes parked at the park or on the street.

yes, i have been all around phnom penh, away from the center. please tell us where they ride around constantly waiting around to be picked up; something that i have never read or heard about.

[quote=marrow;1108215]like a not so lucky aussie i met in sihanoukville, arrested after 5 meters from the pusher with his little bag. i heard the pusher speaking khmer on the phone, he was calling a policeman, his friend. he gave to him 20 bucks for call. no he wasn't a policeman, just a motherfucker, typical meeting in cambodia.[/quote]seems like a bogus story. slightly more believable if it was opium and not weed.

so do you speak khmer or does the aussie speaks khmer? anyway, it's not as bad as before, but it would be a death wish for that poor drug pusher if he did that in the open. do you understand how it works in cambodia? money is still power in cambodia. in angeles, i would be scared to get into an argument with a trike driver; in cambodia, i am not scare of any tuk-tuk driver or any other poor person (i am not talking about that pyscho who comes at you with a knife).

[quote=marrow;1108459]no, never said you're ignorant or blind. just lucky. bad days, happens. spies and police are waiting the best moment, for catch the regulars. asking as much as possible. after, will be a daily tip. beware.[/quote]police are not waiting to shake down the tourist for weed. how did you hear about this? none of the stoner ex-pats i've met have heard about this. daily tip? lol! you pay one bribe. never heard of this in any country, any bribe, or any offense. normally the tourist will leave the country.

[quote=marrow; 1108215]just a tip. 90% of foreigners hanging around in cambodia are spy or related to ngos, the purpose is arrest you.

most of their tips, lead you to jail or troubles. [/quote]what are you talking about! 90% lol! there are so many sex-pats living in cambodia. even the people that work there won't care.

how can you get in trouble if you ask for ideas in getting legal pussy? are you skitzo paranoid in believing that they'll point you to a brothel with dubious aged girls; i doubt that will happen. if that occurs, walk away from the viewing room.

are you talking about getting 5 year olds? if so, then even the sex-pats will want to kick your ass!


note: i'm not saying that cambodia is all that great and fantastic. some/many people will not like it. it is still a third world shit-hole. many streets are dirty; many beggers/sellers are still around and annoy you; people still overcharge/scam you. traffic is getting worst. crime level isn't as safe as vietnam, but it isn't that bad as the philippines; you still need to be careful since barangs are a target with their few dollars in their pocket.

prices have gone up. talent is marginal, but still not that bad; you can still find decent gems (you can go to the high class places and pay a lot of money for the guaranteed cute talent). maybe they stopped the fresh talent coming in from vietnam. barangs (and now some middle-class locals) are being arrested for **** activities; so you need to be careful; when in doubt, pass!

but if you do "legal" stuff and are willing to negotiate and pay between $10-$100 and accept the good with the bad, then it isn't that bad.

the vitriool thrown on this cambodia board between members is very regrettable. it will help nobody.

street 63, the stretch between streets 214 and 178, you will find about a dozen brothels 10 bucks to fuck if you are in for this, just open your eyes and you will see these places, especially look for doors open only 70/80 centimeter.

want to for less then 10 bucks, no need to go outside town, just follow the riverside up to the japanese bridge, on your left hand side of the road you will find half a dozen.

but why? not safe and not much quality to be found, so.

all massage places from the old days still closed and will never open again, but. these girls have to be somewhere. so, be adventurous, be courageous and discover. go out, go into any massage place you like and find out what you will get. in a) you just get a massage, and then suddenly in be) you get all you can dream for.

be adventurous. be careful but don't be afraid.

the area around the american embassy, or what phnom, careful! in the last days i saw plenty! of **** hookers there, plenty! definately ****. watch out! better stay away. many coppers there! in that; broader area; many more sw, also ladyboys (now presenting themselves on the back of motos).

and of course you still have the freelancer places sharky, martini, walkabout ect. many more are there.

plenty of hostess bars around, plenty.

prices today? st 10/15, lt 20/30 for the freelancers, expect higher demand for money from the hostesses.

massage places away from tourist area around 2/4 dollars, and if they are in to give you more then just the ordinary massage, remember the prices above and you will be fine. 10 bucks goes a long strech in cambodia, where abject poverty is the order of the day for many. so be gracious. but don't overpay.

and please, fellow members, stop the vitriool, lets be gracious to eachother, lets help one another.

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1113379]The vitriool thrown on this Cambodia board between members is very regrettable. It will help nobody.[/quote]Interesting reading. Certainly the more measured, optimistic posts were what I suspected and expierienced on my previous couple of visits to PP.

Call me dull, but I don't mind doing my sniffing around in the well known freelance places (Martini, Sharkeys, Walkabout) or hostess bars on the 136 or 104 strip. Whilst I don't want to be ripped off, I can afford to pay more than $10 and be happy in the knowledge I'm not doing anything illegal or unduly risky.

Does anyone have any particular favorites when it comes to the hostess bars?

Good luck to you all.

[QUOTE=TrickyTrevor; 1113536]Interesting reading. Certainly the more measured, optimistic posts were what I suspected and expierienced on my previous couple of visits to PP.

Call me dull, but I don't mind doing my sniffing around in the well known freelance places (Martini, Sharkeys, Walkabout) or hostess bars on the 136 or 104 strip. Whilst I don't want to be ripped off, I can afford to pay more than $10 and be happy in the knowledge I'm not doing anything illegal or unduly risky.

Does anyone have any particular favorites when it comes to the hostess bars?

Good luck to you all. [/QUOTE]Barbados on 130 is a great little place for high quality. $10 BF, no pressure for lady drinks, but seated massaging with small tips in mind.

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[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1113379]So be gracious. But don't overpay.

And please, fellow members, stop the vitriool, lets be gracious to eachother, lets help one another. [/QUOTE]Agree, and very good advice (and good informative post to add).

Wish everyone will heed your advice and post info and good as yours.

Cheers and beers.

FZ

Appreciations to you Jackson!

The "[b]fumigation[/b]" was necessary on several threads. Hopefully now, in future we read some positive feedback on charming Phnom Penh. LOL. Thumbs up!

[QUOTE=Freezone; 1111501]You were damn lucky they didn't try to steal anything from you in the room. The last time I visited a brothel in this area they tried to steal everything in my pants.

FZ[/QUOTE]It was my first time in Cambodia and before the trip I read (may be too many) bad stories of stolen wallets / stolen cameras / phones / etc. So every day at any hour of the day I had with me only a photocopy of passport, max. 30$ (in a inside-pocket) , my phone and some thousands in local currency. Anyway I didn't see any dangerous situation

[QUOTE=Shivachandra;1115194]It was my first time in Cambodia and before the trip I read (may be too many) bad stories of stolen wallets / stolen cameras / phones / etc. So every day at any hour of the day I had with me only a photocopy of passport, max. 30$ (in a inside-pocket) , my phone and some thousands in local currency. Anyway I didn't see any dangerous situation[/QUOTE]That's how danger works: you never see it. Until you see it. I went to PP a bunch of times with no incidents at all, not even close. Then one day I got taken to a massage place and was in the middle of getting my "massage" when I glanced up at the door to see a hand reach in and grab my trousers off the hook they were hanging on. I yelled out (the hand disappeared quickly without taking the trousers) and ran outside immediately. So even though nothing has happened to you, better remain vigilant and heed warnings posted here. I've heard some very nasty stories about friends of friends. The dangers are real. But as long as you're cautious, not more dangerous than big cities in our own countries. But I don't take my laptop to places like Phnom Penh where I'd be out of my room with no way to certainly protect it.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1115418]But as long as you're cautious, not more dangerous than big cities in our own countries. But I don't take my laptop to places like Phnom Penh where I'd be out of my room with no way to certainly protect it.[/QUOTE]Depending on how much you need your laptop on your trip, you can always get a "Kensington" laptop lock and cable and loop it through some heavy furniture. Not foolproof -- only a fool thief would take the trouble to break the lock or be seen dragging a desk through the lobby.

[quote=mrbigy;1116044]snooky was dead, not one hoe, seriously. and the local cambodian bar server told me that the party on the beach ends at 12, not like before until sunrise. the king wants cambo to be a replica of thai. so. snooky was ghost beach town full of half-naked frenchman walking around in speedos pretending its the riveria. sad. i met some expats who live in pataya who were just chillin in snooky and they told me that snooky is dead too, not like before. so things have changed.[/quote]last time i was there things were normal (1 month ago). never cared much for the victory bars (i prefer fls) but freedom had the usual girls. at around 10-11pm all the girls seem to go to utopia where there is usually a good party atmosphere although a lot of (judgmental) backpackers as well. ater that (round 12-1) they're off to dolphin bar or the lvm disco. that is roughlyy the fl-route. outside that route, things can seem dead. i agree on that.

anyway. i'm going tomorrow again for a short stop and will report on shv

[quote=mrbigy;1116044]snooky was dead[/quote]tell me something i haven't known for 7 years.

"full of half-naked frenchman walking around in speedos"

this is the most frightening thing i gave ever read.

[QUOTE=MrBigy;1116044]snooky is dead too, not like before. So things have changed.[/QUOTE]What do you mean "too". You already said Snooky was dead in your post. Was that a mistake, and you meant to write the name of a second place that's also dead? Or did you really mean Snooky that last time as well?

[QUOTE=Wendella;1116234]What do you mean "too". You already said Snooky was dead in your post. Was that a mistake, and you meant to write the name of a second place that's also dead? Or did you really mean Snooky that last time as well?[/QUOTE]I believe he's saying that the expats he met also agreed that Snookys was dead.

I have just realised that some of my visit to PP will be during the Cambodian New Year (April 14, 15, 16). I'm around from the 11th. 21st. Can anybody inform me what the implications are then over this period (and immediately before and after) as far as: 1) the number of girls who'll be around in the usual hostess bars (such as 136 St etc) ; the FL out of venues such as Walkabout, Martini, Sharkeys etc; the demand for mid-range hotels around the riverside area. I have a fear that all the skirt might go back to the countryside in this period which would be a blow? (Rather than a blow. If you get my drift). Any insights welcome.

[QUOTE=Ppfrequentv; 1116070]Last time I was there things were normal (1 month ago). Never cared much for the Victory bars (I prefer FLs) but Freedom had the usual girls. At around 10-11pm all the girls seem to go to Utopia where there is usually a good party atmosphere although a lot of (judgmental) backpackers as well. Ater that (round 12-1) they're off to Dolphin bar or the LVM disco. That is roughlyy the FL-route. Outside that route, things can seem dead. I agree on that.

Anyway. I'm going tomorrow again for a short stop and will report on SHV[/QUOTE]That's what I mostly observed last December. Victory Hill will have many hostess bars.

I like Utopia; it has that mixture of freelancers and backpackers; I like that scene.

Never been to Dolphin bar or the LVM disco; I might check those out the next time I'm there.

Are you going to go to the chicken farm at the port (around Biba). I was there several years ago. It was yucky; haven't been back since. I was told Blue Mountan was closed last December; didn't verify.

There's a house / brothel in town; but you need to know where it is; when I went, it was dark; can't remember where it is. Not sure how many there are. You need to negotiate. If you take a transport driver, he will add his commission.

[QUOTE=TrickyTrevor;1116675]I have just realised that some of my visit to PP will be during the Cambodian New Year (April 14, 15, 16). I'm around from the 11th. 21st. Can anybody inform me what the implications are then over this period (and immediately before and after) as far as: 1) the number of girls who'll be around in the usual hostess bars (such as 136 St etc) ; the FL out of venues such as Walkabout, Martini, Sharkeys etc; the demand for mid-range hotels around the riverside area. I have a fear that all the skirt might go back to the countryside in this period which would be a blow? (Rather than a blow. If you get my drift). Any insights welcome.[/QUOTE]My experience over the last five years is that the town is very very very quiet with Khmer New Year. But you can get laid, not have to worry about that.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1109175]Thanks for spilling the beans. Now I hope that a raid will not occur.[/QUOTE]Is this the '64 street' where pimps creep there hand over the door and steal your money, I would't go to 64 street even if miss world was available.

[QUOTE=Iching;1117622]Is this the '64 street' where pimps creep there hand over the door and steal your money, I would't go to 64 street even if miss world was available.[/QUOTE]Yes and no.

No: it's St 63, not 64.

Yes: yes that's where it happens.

Nothing close to Miss World there. These places used to charge just $5 or so, without the phantom hand, and at that price it was worth a look. But these days they charge as much as ones working in Martini, Circee or some other places. So there's no more reason to even try it. And with this scam they pull, it would be pointless now even if they did charge less. One way to look at it: you're paying an extra $10 now for the guy outside to try to steal your pants.

I read that some old timers have mover from k-12 to Indonesia. Where in Indonesia is good for K-12 prices and laid back fun and excitment? Or can someone direct me to some good reports? Thanks all!

A couple new clubs have opened up near Flamingo's / Walkabout / Heart of Darkness.

One is called Pontoon and the other is QC (QG?).

Not quite sure why they decided to add more clubs. Even in the high season, it doesn't seem like there are enough customers to support them.

However, if the area gets a little more activity maybe it'll draw some new girls in.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1118294]A couple new clubs have opened up near Flamingo's / Walkabout / Heart of Darkness.

One is called Pontoon and the other is QC (QG?).

Not quite sure why they decided to add more clubs. Even in the high season, it doesn't seem like there are enough customers to support them.

However, if the area gets a little more activity maybe it'll draw some new girls in. [/QUOTE]

GQ maybe? (after the famous men's magazine)

More likely it would just draw more away from Martini (and Sharky). Same girls just spread out more. Just means they're not all in one place any more. To me, that's worse. It only makes it harder to find the one you're after. Rather than go to Martini, grab a spot and wait for her to pass, now you have to drive all over town from one place to another. And if a place is mixed crowd (as opposed to the working-only crowd at Martini) that makes it yet more difficult to find them. If on the other hand it tends to be a midnight and later spot, it would cut into Heart's crowd, which would be good. But then again, the whole twisted door policy there (let the Khmer gun-toting rich kids with their armed bodyguards in, pat down all the foreigners who have no guns) would probably just shift over to the new places.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1118324]GQ maybe? (after the famous men's magazine)

More likely it would just draw more away from Martini (and Sharky). Same girls just spread out more. Just means they're not all in one place any more. To me, that's worse. It only makes it harder to find the one you're after. Rather than go to Martini, grab a spot and wait for her to pass, now you have to drive all over town from one place to another. And if a place is mixed crowd (as opposed to the working-only crowd at Martini) that makes it yet more difficult to find them. If on the other hand it tends to be a midnight and later spot, it would cut into Heart's crowd, which would be good. But then again, the whole twisted door policy there (let the Khmer gun-toting rich kids with their armed bodyguards in, pat down all the foreigners who have no guns) would probably just shift over to the new places. [/QUOTE]

They're half a block away from Heart, and the same sort of trendy clubby feel, so I suspect it will mostly dilute some of the late night Heart girls away.

Last night I went into both new places around midnight. GQ had 5 people in it, and Pontoon had about 15. Left both and went to Heart, which was full like usual.

That's why I don't understand why they were built. Just not enough people to support 2 more clubs.

Sharky's was pretty quiet also. Only about 15 girls and maybe 40 guys.

Phnom Penh really needs some new girls. Selection is pretty limited.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1118340]Phnom Penh really needs some new girls. Selection is pretty limited.[/QUOTE]How about Martini's these days? Decent total numbers?

[QUOTE=Wendella;1118369]How about Martini's these days? Decent total numbers?[/QUOTE]

Never been there. Heard it's mostly Vietnamese, so I've always avoided it because I'm not a fan.

Maybe I'll check it out tonight.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1118380]Never been there. Heard it's mostly Vietnamese, so I've always avoided it because I'm not a fan.

Maybe I'll check it out tonight. [/QUOTE]Yeah but if it's 60% Vietnamese and there's 100 girls there.

Seriously, I've had excellent luck finding gorgeous Khmer girls in that place on some of my most recent visits, and when in Cambodia I do prefer to go for Khmers. WHen I was there this time last year, I did a count and there were around 60 girls total there at 10pm-ish.

I expect to see your report on my desk in the morning.

p.s. this is Tet holiday time in Vietnam, so probably a lot of the Vietnamese girls would return home to the Mekong to be with family for a week or 2.

[QUOTE=Yellow Bus;1118213]I read that some old timers have mover from k-12 to Indonesia. Where in Indonesia is good for K-12 prices and laid back fun and excitment? Or can someone direct me to some good reports? Thanks all![/QUOTE]Go to Batam. That's 1/2hr hydro ride from Singapore. There are some monger sites about this place. You will find what you want.

I expect to see your report on my desk in the morning.

I also hope to see your report. Make sure you leave your wallet at the hotel! Don't pay more than $10. Had the best piece of Viet tail in this place at the "hotel". Smile.

I plan on joining this site, but can some of you guys, pussielover included, recommended some other web sites like this one. Both pay and free sites? Thanks all. Fuck I need to get back to se asia, but I want to go for a long time. I need to find work though. I thought about teaching english but.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1118499]I also hope to see your report. Make sure you leave your wallet at the hotel! Don't pay more than $10. Had the best piece of Viet tail in this place at the "hotel". Smile.[/QUOTE]Evianist was going to check out Martini. Seems like you are referring to Iching's post?

Martini:

Well my first mistake was that I got there at 9:00. Deserted. Since it was such a long motorbike ride, I decided to stick around for a while and watch a movie and get some food. Didn't like the table setup. Reminded me of middle school lunch. And if you get a girl you don't want who won't take no for an answer, she'll just sit with you and not leave for 20 minutes. Also didn't like the lack of light. I couldn't see whether the girls were attractive unless they were standing right in front of me.

It picked up around 10:30 and there were probably 40 girls at the peak. Pretty mixed with Cambodian / Vietnamese. All the girls were sitting on the sides and near the pool table. Made it difficult to talk to them unless you went and sat over there too. Saw a few I'm pretty sure were attractive. Saw a couple girls I knew, one who was wearing the same clothes from last night when I saw her at Sharky's and Heart. I guess they don't change if they're going to a different bar.

All in all, it was all right. Probably some good girls if you sit closer to the pool table. A little bit too far away, but worth a trip if you're tired of the other places or you like vietnamese girls.

Ended up back at Heart and within 15 minutes had found the best girl I've ever had in Cambodia. She was so good I'm going to have to take a night off to recover.


Funny thing she mentioned: Sometimes she goes to a casino with her friend where rich guys go to gamble and occasionally take a girl home. She says it's $100 to take her out from there. But when she goes to Heart it's the regular $20ish. Same girl, vastly different rate just based on where she's hanging out that night.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1118688]Martini[/QUOTE]You mean you didn't even go into the disco.

That's where the hot midget khmer girls (working up a great sweat) hang.

Ps if there's an ugly girl sitting at your table, find another table.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1118688]Martini:

Also didn't like the lack of light. I couldn't see whether the girls were attractive unless they were standing right in front of me.

It picked up around 10:30 and there were probably 40 girls at the peak. [/QUOTE]Did you check out the disco in the back? It seems a lot of girls like to hang out there and just dance. I like it because it has A / C. But it's even darker in the disco than the outside.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1118688]Ended up back at Heart and within 15 minutes had found the best girl I've ever had in Cambodia. She was so good I'm going to have to take a night off to recover.

Funny thing she mentioned: Sometimes she goes to a casino with her friend where rich guys go to gamble and occasionally take a girl home. She says it's $100 to take her out from there. But when she goes to Heart it's the regular $20ish. Same girl, vastly different rate just based on where she's hanging out that night. [/QUOTE]When I was there last year, their 'circuit' was Martini until around 11. 30, then head to Heart after that. I'd be curious to see this casino at least. If you spot that girl again, could you find out what that casino is?

Huh, where was the disco?

I saw only the bar in the back.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1118912]Huh, where was the disco?

I saw only the bar in the back. [/QUOTE]Past the pool table on the left and through the two doors. I can't agree on it being such a long way out. Maybe if you were walking. But then I live out by the Russian Market which is another few blocks out.

If you walk past the bar on your right, you will find a door on your left that leads to the disco. Walk through that door and you are in another world. It is very dark, almost pitch black inside except for the strobe lights flashing. This allows you to make out the forms of girls (and guys) dancing in the dark, but it is impossible to get a good look at their faces or even tell who has a good body or what they are wearing. The music is very loud techno stuff and conversation is not possible. The AC is cranked up on high. When I was there, a little after midnight the place was packed. I lasted around 5 minutes before I escaped to the outside bar area. It was not my kind of place. If I were 18 to 20 and a well off Khmer guy, I would probably dig it.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1118843]what that casino is?[/QUOTE]There is only 1 "real" casino in Phnom Penh; it's Naga. If there is a freelance scene, it's not obvious.

There are several other video casinos in some of the hotels.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1118983]I lasted around 5 minutes before I escaped to the outside bar area. It was not my kind of place. If I were 18 to 20 and a well off Khmer guy, I would probably dig it.[/QUOTE]Any time I've been there, the "disco" area (it's pretty tiny, not sure why they decided to make it so small when they have all that space) has mainly been lots of girls out on the floor and all us letches sitting and standing around the perimeter trying our best to squint and get a decent look at them while we pretended to casually enjoy drinking our warm can of Anchor. Lighting indeed is quite dim in there, but it's a bit of a game: you have to claim yourself a good spot for viewing, identify some potential prospects. The girls will go in and dance awhile, then head outside, usually within about 2 or 3 songs, or say 15 minutes. They're in, they're out, and so on until someone eventually makes eye contact or approaches them. So you do what any self-respecting mongerer should do, you stalk her. Seriously, when you see her go take a break from the disco-room, just casually make your way outside after she does, but not so casually that you arrive outside to see her finalizing a deal with some other guy. Hot ones get scooped up quickly in the bright part of the place.

So the purpose of that disco area is not to go enjoy dancing. And I can't remember ever seeing any young Khmer guys in there. My guess is that the selection of music is mainly what the DJ imagines foreigners would dig, but since it's mainly the girls out there dancing to it, in this respect he, like us, is mostly...in the dark. ;)

But from my experience going there, it seems as if more or less half the girls at Martini at any given time are inside the disco area, dancing in the dark. If you want to limit yourself to just half the club, that works out better for me.

Gee if Evianist spotted 40 girls OUTSIDE the dance floor room, it means numbers are probably up again there.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1118999]There is only 1 "real" casino in Phnom Penh; it's Naga. If there is a freelance scene, it's not obvious.

There are several other video casinos in some of the hotels. [/QUOTE]OK so that must be it. I can't imagine rich guys are all heading to mini-casinos in hotel lobbies to play the video slots.

Cambodian nationals are by law forbidden to enter Naga Casino. Although for sure you will find some of them there. Like that government official recently who blew quite some cash he stole from the state. Is doing a six year stretch in Prey Sar prison now. So if girls are to be found there then it will be outside the actual casino, in the other spots inside Naga World, but not in the casino itself.

Pontoon, if my information is correct? They have bought or rented 5 shops in a straight line in the mall right opposite Heart of Darkness. Apparantly right opposite the Heart itself.

Martini, although only a stonethrow from my house, have not been inside for at least three weeks, but most of the girls who come to my house are regulars there, and they tell me that it is very very quiet, at least to their norm.

That is generally my impression of the city, quiet. It all started going downhill with the crackdown, mongers generally apparantly have drawn their conclusion and are avoiding the country like the plague. But it is not that bad, you can still easily, very easily get laid in this country for 10/15 bucks.

Personally I believe the real problem here is that it is all so; small; , everybody know everybody and the girls talk a lot. Plus we have reached the situation that foreign bar owners in the; hostess area; believe they can charge people 3 bucks for a beer.

Hotels are getting expensive. 20/30 bucks and more is becoming the norm, but this here is not Bangkok, they seem to forget that. All this is putting people off.

But Cambodia remains a very easy going, relatively safe country, where pussy is readily available, certainly if you can take your time.

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1119099]Cambodian nationals are by law forbidden to enter Naga Casino. Although for sure you will find some of them there. Like that government official recently who blew quite some cash he stole from the state. Is doing a six year stretch in Prey Sar prison now. So if girls are to be found there then it will be outside the actual casino, in the other spots inside Naga World, but not in the casino itself.

Pontoon, if my information is correct? They have bought or rented 5 shops in a straight line in the mall right opposite Heart of Darkness. Apparantly right opposite the Heart itself.

Martini, although only a stonethrow from my house, have not been inside for at least three weeks, but most of the girls who come to my house are regulars there, and they tell me that it is very very quiet, at least to their norm.

That is generally my impression of the city, quiet. It all started going downhill with the crackdown, mongers generally apparantly have drawn their conclusion and are avoiding the country like the plague. But it is not that bad, you can still easily, very easily get laid in this country for 10/15 bucks.

Personally I believe the real problem here is that it is all so; small; , everybody know everybody and the girls talk a lot. Plus we have reached the situation that foreign bar owners in the; hostess area; believe they can charge people 3 bucks for a beer.

Hotels are getting expensive. 20/30 bucks and more is becoming the norm, but this here is not Bangkok, they seem to forget that. All this is putting people off.

But Cambodia remains a very easy going, relatively safe country, where pussy is readily available, certainly if you can take your time. [/QUOTE]$3 for a beer! Surely not in the 136 or 104 areas? Its been a year since I've been in PP but I'm back in April and not planning to pay that for a beer! I always found Candy Bar reliable. Maybe Miss World doesn't hang out there but, I thought, plenty of nice enough girls and a nice, friendly, relaxed vibe. Any of you fellas got an opinion of what Candy Bar is like now (or will be in April. How long is a piece of string)? If Martini is pretty dead, what are the best FL places do you reckon. On my last visit I just turned up and Walkabout a few times and always got something. To be honest, there won't that many girls there on a couple of the occassions, but there were even less guys!

Also, I realise I'm going to be there over Cambodian New Year. Will there be any skirt available or will they all be back in the village?

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter;1119099]Pontoon, if my information is correct? They have bought or rented 5 shops in a straight line in the mall right opposite Heart of Darkness. Apparantly right opposite the Heart itself.[/quote]

Yes it's in the block of buildings directly opposite Heart, but the entrance to Pontoon isn't facing it, it's facing the block that Walkabout is on.

There's also a convenience store that opened up across from Walkabout. And the QG bar (is actually QG, but the G has a cross on the inside of the G. Was worried it was some kind of gay / lesbian thing the first time I walked in). With the new places, the area has a slightly livelier, more friendly feel.

[quote]Martini, although only a stonethrow from my house, have not been inside for at least three weeks, but most of the girls who come to my house are regulars there, and they tell me that it is very very quiet, at least to their norm.[/quote]Yes I wouldn't get excited Wendella. It was very quiet. My estimate of 40 was directly at the peak, and may have been generous. A couple of the girls I talked to were lamenting how dead it was, saying customers just aren't coming to Cambodia. Was very sleepy.

Tonight I went to Sharky's and it was even worse. There were probably under 20 girls, and about 40 guys. Needless to say, only about 5 of the girls were unoccupied, and it was for a reason.

I remember being here last March/April and Sharky's being full of girls, so many they didn't have enough chairs and were standing around.

[quote]Personally I believe the real problem here is that it is all so; small; , everybody know everybody and the girls talk a lot.[/quote]Definitely. There just aren't that many girls. If there's only 100 in the entire scene that wouldn't surprise me. Tonight I went to Heart and there were roughly 35 girls, and after looking around, I realized I had been with 5 of them and they were watching me like hawks. You can imagine the dirty looks I was getting when some other girls approached me.

I went to PP in 09 and spent most of my time near riverside. Overall the place is a pit. Just horrible. All of the bars and massage I went to left almost immediately due to lack of quality.

I even went to notorious KM11 but there was nothing there. Had a real hard time finding a tout to even take me there.

The same tout eventually set me up with a good exprience with a really cute Viet girl that I still dream about today. I paid an arm and a leg but that was mostly to ensure my safety.

I may go back but seems a bit risky. The place feels like the wild west anything can happen at any moment.

[quote=dirtydozen;1120105]i may go back but seems a bit risky. the place feels like the wild west anything can happen at any moment.[/quote]if you think it's the wild west here you should have seen the place seven or even five years ago. cambodia definitely has not the quantity or variety that thailand has. as for quality, it's a place that rewards patience, and so mongers in a hurry are often disappointed.

k11 is still open for business. but not to barangs. the only whites you'll see there are ngos still creaming their cotton panties at the thought or catching a ****. they are completely oblivious of the k11 sprouting in the countryside.

[QUOTE=DirtyDozen; 1120105]I went to PP in 09 and spent most of my time near riverside. Overall the place is a pit. Just horrible. All of the bars and massage I went to left almost immediately due to lack of quality.

I even went to notorious KM11 but there was nothing there. Had a real hard time finding a tout to even take me there.

The same tout eventually set me up with a good exprience with a really cute Viet girl that I still dream about today. I paid an arm and a leg but that was mostly to ensure my safety.

I may go back but seems a bit risky. The place feels like the wild west anything can happen at any moment. [/QUOTE]This comment basically reflects reality here. Yes. However it is not that bad. That said, in my fifties now, I don't mind, but twenty years younger I would not even dream of coming here. For the young, nothing here.

$3 for a beer! Surely not in the 136 or 104 areas?

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I should have been more specific here, TIGER beer. But this is in certain bars in these streets already since 2007/2008. In the meantime many other areas have raised their prices, as did Martini a few months back.

Popped in Martini last Friday around 10 and left 10. 30. Let me first say it was still Tet and also the moment the Walkabout draws its Friday evening Joker, but I have never ever seen Martini like this; there were ten girls and about 25 customers and almost all girls were standing alone, says alot about quality that was inside. It was horrible. Worse then this it can not become.

Pontoon open on its new location, in the Mall opposite the Heart, side Walkabout.

But overall, PP is very very quiet. Disappionting. Have never seen it like this, Tet or not.

Have any of you guys been to Pit Stop, on Street 51, since it's just come under new management? The reason I ask is because the guy is doing a blog that is quite interesting to read: [url]http://www.thebodia.com/pitstop/[/url]

Western owner so he's talking about how to make the business attractive to punters, get in good girls etc. I hope it takes off and has some nice chicks!

The way half the posts are going on this board, by the time I get to PP in April, things will be so bad that I'll have to stay in my hotel room and have a tug instead of actually been able to find any action!

[quote=khmerblue; 1120297]if you think it's the wild west here you should have seen the place seven or even five years ago. cambodia definitely has not the quantity or variety that thailand has. as for quality, it's a place that rewards patience, and so mongers in a hurry are often disappointed.

k11 is still open for business. but not to barangs. the only whites you'll see there are ngos still creaming their cotton panties at the thought or catching a ****. they are completely oblivious of the k11 sprouting in the countryside.[/quote]so are there any specific areas in the countryside where its still possible to get some quality boom boom? i have been to cambo a couple of times; the first in 2009 and it was immense, managed to find loads of quality girls and had a great time, i went back last year and was shocked at the crackdown that has taken place! loads of the brothels had been shut down and places like martini's had got a lot more sparse in there selection! even the chicken farm in sihanook was hardly a patch of its former glory.

i want to go for a trip in a few months and any tips of places to visit on or off the beaten track would be good. can't beat a bit of adventure!

Does anyone have any recommendations of provinces to visit off the beaten track where it may still be possible to get some good boom boom / yum yum? Pp siem reap and sihanok are not what they used to be! I may be heading back to cambo for a week or so in the next couple of months and would love a little adventure!

Oh I don't doubt that K11 is still in full force. It's just moved somewhere else. When they find it, it will move again. NGO effort completely wasted.

Hm. Bad news. Just found out the new QG club is "the first gay nightclub in PP".

See for yourself: qgphnompenh dot com.

There goes my plan.

Spaceman

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1120932]Hm. Bad news. Just found out the new QG club is "the first gay nightclub in PP".

See for yourself: qgphnompenh dot com.

There goes my plan. [/QUOTE]They seem to have exactly 0 customers every night, so it might go out of business rather quickly.

What I love is to hear the lady's views of working the trade. A few wonderful insights I've gleaned in the last few months:

* I had a regular lady for a few weeks, and she told me she lived in a tiny 1 room apartment next to HoD with 4 other girls."Apartment" is probably an exaggeration, since I don't think it had its own bathroom. At least the rent must have been cheap! Probably something like $10 or $20 per girl per month.

One of her room mates was a lady who worked Naga Casino. Her price was $100 per night. My lady asked her about getting in on this action, but was discouraged by her response. She couldn't afford it! The lady has to buy drinks to stay and their drinks are very expensive."You have to spend money to make money," as the saying goes. But if she was making all that money, why was she sharing a little crowded room with 4 other girls?

* I met a Vietnamese working girl at Martini with really good English. She'd obviously been working with tourists a while. I asked her about her views of the various freelancer spots around town and she told me she disliked Walkabout?"Why?" Because all the customers were old men who smoked ganja. Ha! I thought the problem was that all the ladies were on ice. I guess some ladies are as unhappy about the drugs in Walkabout as the guys, but for different reasons.

*One night at Walkabout one of the working girls bought me and my friend a round of beers. That's the first time a prostitute has ever bought me a drink! She was celebrating because she'd made over $100 that day from various tourists. She told me charges $30 or $40 each time. I went with her a few weeks later and paid the usual rate. $15. She knows the tourist rate doesn't apply to locals.

For those of you just passing through town briefly. I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1121085]What I love is to hear the lady's views of working the trade. A few wonderful insights I've gleaned in the last few months:

* I had a regular lady for a few weeks, and she told me she lived in a tiny 1 room apartment next to HoD with 4 other girls."Apartment" is probably an exaggeration, since I don't think it had its own bathroom. At least the rent must have been cheap! Probably something like $10 or $20 per girl per month.

One of her room mates was a lady who worked Naga Casino. Her price was $100 per night. My lady asked her about getting in on this action, but was discouraged by her response. She couldn't afford it! The lady has to buy drinks to stay and their drinks are very expensive."You have to spend money to make money," as the saying goes. But if she was making all that money, why was she sharing a little crowded room with 4 other girls? [/quote]

I talked to a girl who lived directly across from Flamingo's alone in a 1 room and was paying $50 / month.

Most SEAsian girls seem to like to share tiny cheap apartments, even if they're making decent money. It's just what they're used to. One girl told me she'd be scared to live in a big apartment alone because of ghosts.

[quote]*One night at Walkabout one of the working girls bought me and my friend a round of beers. That's the first time a prostitute has ever bought me a drink! She was celebrating because she'd made over $100 that day from various tourists. She told me charges $30 or $40 each time. I went with her a few weeks later and paid the usual rate. $15. She knows the tourist rate doesn't apply to locals.

For those of you just passing through town briefly. I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters. [/QUOTE]

The girls are really trying to push prices up I've found. At least to the $20 / ST level. I've politely declined to give them that. Then if you agree on $20 / LT they'll do the trick where they leave after an hour or two and still want the LT rate. But the most I've ever paid is $30 / LT for a girl who stayed 12 hours and did it 5 times. And she never even mentioned money, I just gave it to her. If they like you and you treat them all right, they don't complain.

I went to a girl's Apt while ago. I met her at HOD. It was a one bedroom only. It was on a narrow lane of the main road with small houses on either side. I do not know where the shower or the toilet was. She introduced me to her neighbours who were really friendly.

She said she paid $50 / month as rent. She did have a good bed.

This girl was very pretty and she stayed with me for 4 days. I paid her a total of $120 with a some clothes totalling $30. Ofcourse I did take care of all the dinners and even took her to Naga casino. Otherwise she would go and get me cheap home cooked meals for lunch.

She told me she makes almost $500 a month but needs to send part of the money to her home. Rest of the money she saves for a rainy day. She said she can afford a better Apt. But was content living in a one room apt with lots of friendly people around. In her line of business famine will hit soon and fast unless she finds a sponsor. She told me she had a sponsor before.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1121085]What I love is to hear the lady's views of working the trade. A few wonderful insights I've gleaned in the last few months:

She disliked Walkabout?"Why?" Because all the customers were old men who smoked ganja. [/QUOTE]I also like to talk to the girls to learn about their life.

You cannot smoke ganja at the Walkabout, at least on the first floor; I've tried. LOL! Maybe you can smoke on the balconey on the second floor.

You cannot smoke at the trendy Cambodian places such as Lounge and Sparks.

You can smoke on the balconey at Sharkeys.

All the staff at Martini will say you cannot smoke ganja. But I've seen people smoke (not often though). The poor working staff there won't want to mess with you.

You can smoke at LeCryee.

At the hostess bars, some will say yes, some will say please smoke outside.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo;1121085]For those of you just passing through town briefly. I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters.[/QUOTE]For the tourist, I wouldn't recommend not discussing price. I think it's better to have a little drama at the beginning than a lot of drama at the end.

I've heard some stories about the girl not being happy about the standard rate that the guy gave in the morning. Some girls will always want more.

That being said, it's no "problem" if you do that. The girl will have no recourse, even if you stiff her. This is not the Philippines or Thailand; she cannot call the cops. First of all, the cops won't care; she has to pay the cops to come over; the working girls in Cambodia are treated like shit (it's a shame since the country's economy has expanded on the "backs" of these working girls). Also I wouldn't fear her friends or pimp (of course there could be an exception, but unlikely).

The prices for girls went up when the price of petro went up several years ago. At Martini, the cute girls will ask for at least $20 short time (I pay the full rack rate). How hard is it to get the cute ones (the top 5 at Martini's) to agree to $15? Fairly certain you cannot get the cute ones to agree to $10. You probably can get the older or marginal ones to agree to $10.

Walkabout should have cheaper pricing pressures than Martinis. But then the quality at Martinis is better than Walkabout.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1121113]I One girl told me she'd be scared to live in a big apartment alone because of ghosts.[/QUOTE]Me too. That's why whenever I'm in Phnom Penh I go out and try to find a girl to bring back to my hotel room. Ghosts.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo;1121085]I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters.[/QUOTE]Exactly!

I never discuss any money on beforehand. And when they act the trick of leaving their clothes in the bathroom after 1st shower, you already know it will just be an ST. No problem, then I just pay 10$ as my excuse is always hee, I would have paid you 30$ for a whole night with at least 3 pops. So one pop is 10$. They will be confused. Leaving early or no BBBJ are also no bonus points. OK, I add a dollar for motobike taxi. But that is all. And in the end, if these girls get an average of 15$ every other day, that is a lot of riels at the end of the month. Therefore I am not so keen to visit WB or Martini's with all the other tourists and FL's. I always take a hotel in 136 street and have fun in 104 and 108. Or stay in 104 and have fun in 136.

And with mototaxi's exactly the same. You can drive half the city for 2000 riels. Just have them prepared in your pocket and put it in his hand at destination. Confusion all over as they expected a dollar, just walk away but they all will take it. And this is even no problem at all for a firsttime visitor. Know what the habits are, and it saves you a lot of money.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1121555]And with mototaxi's exactly the same. You can drive half the city for 2000 riels. Just have them prepared in your pocket and put it in his hand at destination. Confusion all over as they expected a dollar, just walk away but they all will take it. And this is even no problem at all for a firsttime visitor. Know what the habits are, and it saves you a lot of money.[/QUOTE]"Confusion all over" - A funny picture.

I wouldn't like the bitching that would occur every single time.

A lot of the moto-dopes from the tourist area or your hotel will refuse to take you if you only offer the local price; some of them wait a long time to gouge the tourist.

As I have tended to do lately, here are a few comments on various topics:

I no longer am recommending Amari hotel on St. 136 to people. I know one person who had a large amount of money stolen out of a locked drawer, presumably by the housekeeper. I had another friend check out after 2 days due to construction noise.

Yes, Cambodian girls will sometimes call the cops on you if they are pissed off enough at being what they consider seriously underpaid. It does not happen often, but it does happen. Contrary to popular opinion, however, they won't always take the girl's side. If they do, the cops will then split whatever extra money they get out of the customer with the girl.

The number of hostess bar girls who are demanding silly money is steadily increasing. I still pay no more than $15 for ST and $25 for LT, but there are girls now who absolutely won't go for less than $40-$50. Strangely, they are not always the hottest girls, and there are still plenty of really hot ones who will go for the same prices as before. One girl even quoted a friend of mine $100. She quickly came down from that figure, but he just blew her off immediately out of general principle. We even made a point of ridiculing her a bit to her face and in front of the other girls-something I would normally never do, but felt the point needed to be made. Freelancers still seem to be OK with $10-$15 ST, $20-$25 LT.

Martini and Walkabout seem to have higher percentages of Khmer chicks these days, or maybe just fewer Vietnamese.

Pontoon is a very nice bar, from a design standpoint. A bar by this name has been around for years, but it use to be on a floating barge anchored to the riverside around the night market. It has always has a string of freelancers and semi-pros (hookers who are playing the long game) that tended to arrive around 11-12, and the new bar is no different. The working girls arrived in the last half hour before they start charging a cover-which was midnight last Friday. I saw a several hostess bar girls that I knew, and some freelancers who I recognized from Riverhouse. I did not see any of the regular Heart girls. A lot of the customers were middle and up-class Khmers, however, especially when I first arrived around 10PM, so be careful and make sure the girl is really available before you start hitting on her.

Hi GB,

Nice to see you are still making the rounds. Have you or any other Cambodian mongers seen any busty (slim and stacked) Khmers or Viets in PP? Are there any bars there that feature big boobs? I don't care if they are bolt-ons or not. I'll be looking for a sweetie to take to Angor what and do a lot of boom booming.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1121672]"Confusion all over". A funny picture.

I wouldn't like the bitching that would occur every single time.

A lot of the moto-dopes from the tourist area or your hotel will refuse to take you if you only offer the local price; some of them wait a long time to gouge the tourist. [/QUOTE]Yes you are right. I never take a moto-dop in front of my hotel duting daytime. Just walk up the street and you will always find loads of moto-dopes. Those waiting in front of your hotel, normally waiting there all day and every day, so they are safe for an arrangement at night. During the day they are way too expensive. Well, to Cambodian standards.

And to make it all clear, during daytime I never negociate a price on beforehand, just ask them where I want to go. I don't have a map or so, I know my way around or just ask if he knows a landmark. If not take the next one.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1121799]Hi GB, nice to see you are still making the rounds. Have you or any other Cambodian mongers seen any busty (slim and stacked) Khmers or Viets in PP? Are there any bars there that feature big boobs? I don't care if they are bolt-ons or not. I'll be looking for a sweetie to take to Angor what and do a lot of boom booming.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty tough combo - slim and stacked. Usually, the girls with the large breasts is going to be somewhat fat. Of course there are exceptions.

Generally, Asians don't have large breasts; you probably should stick with Tijuana for large tits.

Generally on the average, Khmers will have larger breasts than the Viets, IMO.

I'm not really a breast man; I haven't been keeping track of large breasted girls. The next time I'm there (in couple of weeks) , I'll keep my eyes (hands) open for them.

k11 is still open for business. but not to barangs. the only whites you'll see there are ngos still creaming their cotton panties at the thought or catching a ****. they are completely oblivious of the k11 sprouting in the countryside. [/quote]

ok. did you get laid? the reports of pussy being available are still trickling in. though the place is nothing like what is was years ago when the home away from home cafe was there.

i'm defintetly going a hunting :)))

I even went to notorious KM11 but there was nothing there. Had a real hard time finding a tout to even take me there.

Hint! Wink.

[QUOTE=Sandbag102;1120481]Does anyone have any recommendations of provinces to visit off the beaten track where it may still be possible to get some good boom boom / yum yum? Pp siem reap and sihanok are not what they used to be! I may be heading back to cambo for a week or so in the next couple of months and would love a little adventure![/QUOTE]Buy a bus ticket to Sisophon. The No Gooders have not been able to crack this place. Has any one had some Khmer Rouge pussy in Pailin?

Gentlemen:

I am seriously considering my first visit to Camboida. Understanding the fact I must make my own way and do research, could you helf me with some general info:

What is this "crackdown" I read about?

Can someone recommned a good hotel in Phnom Penh with access to general mongering area. I have been told the walkabout is a good place.

It appears the going rate for short time is around $15.

Best overall mongering spots for a newbie.

All info greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Henryv;1122344]Can someone recommned a good hotel in Phnom Penh with access to general mongering area. I have been told the walkabout is a good place.[/QUOTE]I highly recommend Na Na Hotel & Café Restaurant.

Nº.1B2B, Dekcho Damdin (St. 154)

12210 Phnom Penh.

Tel 023 6926 987.

HP 017 373 872.

It's on the corner of 154 and Pasteur, a 5-minute walk from Walkabout, only $20, including breakfast and very clean.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover;1122206]Buy a bus ticket to Sisophon. The No Gooders have not been able to crack this place. Has any one had some Khmer Rouge pussy in Pailin?[/QUOTE]You need to have bug repellent in Pailin. Drug resistant malaria is endemic there

Is it a safe walk?

[QUOTE=Polyorchid; 1122508]I highly recommend Na Na Hotel & Café Restaurant.

Nº.1B2B, Dekcho Damdin (St. 154)

12210 Phnom Penh.

Tel 023 6926 987.

HP 017 373 872.

It's on the corner of 154 and Pasteur, a 5-minute walk from Walkabout, only $20, including breakfast and very clean. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1122585]You need to have bug repellent in Pailin. Drug resistant malaria is endemic there[/QUOTE]The chicken farm in Palin was closed down about a year and a half ago.

[QUOTE=Henryv;1122664]Is it a safe walk?[/QUOTE]Absolutely. PP seemed very safe to me.

I was raised around Chicago, and I've never been anywhere in Asia, or anywhere else in the world, where I felt anywhere near as in danger as I did there. If the thugs don't get you, the coppers will.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1122768]The chicken farm in Palin was closed down about a year and a half ago.[/QUOTE]From the sihanoukvillegazette. Com:

Police Raid on Chicken Farm.

Last Week end (30th January) the Military Police conducted a raid on a Brothel in a place known locally as "The Chicken Farm." After weeks of surveillance the raid caught a Vietnamese man selling drugs. The man was arrested and charged with Drug Offences for which he received 7 years. The mama san w2as charged with keeping a brothel and she duly paid a fine while the working girls were sent to PP for 'Re-education. A Canadian national was released without charges as the working girl was over the age of consent.

Damn! What's going on with the chicken farms? There goes my $5 shags. Now I will have to shop hard elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Hippie;1121708]Yes, Cambodian girls will sometimes call the cops on you if they are pissed off enough at being what they consider seriously underpaid. It does not happen often, but it does happen. Contrary to popular opinion, however, they won't always take the girl's side. If they do, the cops will then split whatever extra money they get out of the customer with the girl.[/QUOTE]Well ya I guess technically the girl can call the cops. The corrupt cop won't care who he takes money from, whether it be from a working girl, a barang, or a local.

Never heard of that, but then no scumbag would admit that his girl called the cops because he stiffed her. I observed 2 incidents.

Funny story: I was at Martinis a few years ago. This girl was a few feet away from this guy. She was constantly yapping at him, saying things like "you no pay me","why you no pay me". The guy just calmly drank his beer. She did that the whole time I was there. I guess that's the "common" recourse the working girl has.

When the locals have a dispute, such as a traffic accident, no one wants to call the cops. They're kind of like lawyers, they're the only ones that win.

[QUOTE=Hippie;1121708]I no longer am recommending Amari hotel on St. 136 to people. I know one person who had a large amount of money stolen out of a locked drawer, presumably by the housekeeper.[/QUOTE]That guy seems foolish for having a large amount of money in a drawer. If it had a lock, it was one of those flimsy ones. If he jerry rigged it with his own cheap lock, those can be picked.

That's one reason why I don't stay at the Amari. They don't have any in-room safes (plus no wi-fi in the room). Why didn't he use the individual safes in the lobby. Those also are very flimsy; it's wooden with cheap locks. But the owner assured me that it was completely safe because the lobby is taped 24 hours a day by CCTV.

In-room safes are only marginally safer than the other two alternatives mentioned, when the threat is from a hotel staff member. Every hotel has at least one person who knows the master combination and / or has a master key to every safe. These are essential when customers forget their combinations. At the very least the manager on each shift will have it, and with the average Cambodian's laziness and inability to keep secrets, usually several other people do, as well. (I'm really not bashing Cambodia unfairly when I say that, as anyone who has lived and worked here will attest.) Once when staying at a very highly-regarded hotel in Angeles City, I returned to my room at midday to move to a better room that I was switching to that day. I walked into my room to find the security guard and new tenant staring at my opened safe, which contained $3000 in addition to my passport and camera and some prescription medicine. I went ballistic when the receptionist calmly informed me that since the other guest had arrived early, the staff had moved all my belongings for me and she had instructed the security guard to open the safe.

Any comments on this previous post?

[QUOTE=Henryv; 1122344]Gentlemen:

I am seriously considering my first visit to Camboida. Understanding the fact I must make my own way and do research, could you helf me with some general info:

What is this "crackdown" I read about?

Can someone recommned a good hotel in Phnom Penh with access to general mongering area. I have been told the walkabout is a good place.

It appears the going rate for short time is around $15.

Best overall mongering spots for a newbie.

All info greatly appreciated. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1123135]Well ya I guess technically the girl can call the cops. The corrupt cop won't care who he takes money from, whether it be from a working girl, a barang, or a local.

Never heard of that, but then no scumbag would admit that his girl called the cops because he stiffed her. I observed 2 incidents.

Funny story: I was at Martinis a few years ago. This girl was a few feet away from this guy. She was constantly yapping at him, saying things like "you no pay me","why you no pay me". The guy just calmly drank his beer. She did that the whole time I was there. I guess that's the "common" recourse the working girl has.

When the locals have a dispute, such as a traffic accident, no one wants to call the cops. They're kind of like lawyers, they're the only ones that win.

That guy seems foolish for having a large amount of money in a drawer. If it had a lock, it was one of those flimsy ones. If he jerry rigged it with his own cheap lock, those can be picked.

That's one reason why I don't stay at the Amari. They don't have any in-room safes (plus no wi-fi in the room). Why didn't he use the individual safes in the lobby. Those also are very flimsy; it's wooden with cheap locks. But the owner assured me that it was completely safe because the lobby is taped 24 hours a day by CCTV. [/QUOTE]Actually this exact scenario with a girl wanting more than she got and her calling the cops has happened and even been reported in the Phnom Phen Post. If I can be bothered I might dig it out and post it for you to have a laugh at.

[QUOTE=Hippie; 1123174]and with the average Cambodian's laziness

(I'm really not bashing Cambodia unfairly when I say that, as anyone who has lived and worked here will attest.) [/QUOTE]That's somewhat of an understatement, and I don't even live there. LOL!

I've met a lot of people that like the Khmers, and they say something like, "The Cambodians are a sweet loving people, but". They always use the word "but". LOL!

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover; 1123002]From the sihanoukvillegazette. Com:

Police Raid on Chicken Farm.

Last Week end (30th January) the Military Police conducted a raid on a Brothel in a place known locally as "The Chicken Farm." After weeks of surveillance the raid caught a Vietnamese man selling drugs. The man was arrested and charged with Drug Offences for which he received 7 years. The mama san w2as charged with keeping a brothel and she duly paid a fine while the working girls were sent to PP for 'Re-education. A Canadian national was released without charges as the working girl was over the age of consent.

Damn! What's going on with the chicken farms? There goes my $5 shags. Now I will have to shop hard elsewhere. [/QUOTE]So sad to hear that the chicken farms and 5$ viet cuties are disappearing all over Cambodia.

Which chicken farm are you speaking of in SHV? The shags on the port or the house in town?

Did the whole business just went underground for cambos only or did they really made it to destroy it?

R. I. P. Cambo sex business.

Got a pm telling me the Flamingo was a good Hotel situated close to the action. Any comments?

Anyone know of a good hotel close to the action that has a pool.

Also, if I bring an unloced cell phone is the system similar to the Philippines or Thailand, I. E, buy a sim care and time.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Henryv; 1123640]Got a pm telling me the Flamingo was a good Hotel situated close to the action. Any comments?

Anyone know of a good hotel close to the action that has a pool.

Also, if I bring an unloced cell phone is the system similar to the Philippines or Thailand, I. E, buy a sim care and time.

Thank you. [/QUOTE]Flamingo is close to some action but doesent have a pool, nowdays they need a I'd on the girl, not many have one.

[QUOTE=Worltravel;1123672]Flamingo is close to some action but doesent have a pool, nowdays they need a I'd on the girl, not many have one.[/QUOTE]When I was there in April 2010 they IDed the girl (which she didn't have).

Stayed there one night two weeks ago and brought 2 girls back and they didn't ID them.

Hi guys, newbie here.

I was wondering if there's any boardmembers currently living in or visiting Phnom Penh that could help me out tracking down a girl that I met at the Walkabout last week.

I meant to get her phone number on my last night in PP but unfortunately fell ill and didn't make it out that night.

My next visit isn't for another 3 months and given the high turnover rate at the Walkabout it would be a shame if she left the WA before my next trip.

I'd greatly appreciate any help on this matter either on here or via PM.

Cheers guys!

[QUOTE=Henryv; 1123640]Got a pm telling me the Flamingo was a good Hotel situated close to the action. Any comments?

Anyone know of a good hotel close to the action that has a pool.

Also, if I bring an unloced cell phone is the system similar to the Philippines or Thailand, I. E, buy a sim care and time.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Flamingo's is ok, nothing more, nothing less. I stayed there on my first trip in 2009 and found the rooms a bit tired looking and a bit too expensive for what I got. It is very close to the st 51 action though and it's probably a good hotel for a newcomer to the city.

Sim cards are available as you exit arrivals at PP airport. Can't give you any info on price etc as I have never bought one.

How about the Walkabout?

[QUOTE=Worltravel;1123672]Flamingo is close to some action but doesent have a pool, nowdays they need a I'd on the girl, not many have one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv;1123946]How about the Walkabout?[/QUOTE]Do you mean staying there?

If so, from what I've heard the rooms upstairs are pretty bad. Imagine what a forensics team would find if they were let loose on the matrasses in that place.

Blue Tongue Hotel next door is supposed to be pretty nice, same owners as Walkabout, a bit pricey at $35

A night.

I was talking to an American bloke last week who recommended a new place on St 154, think it might be that Na Na place that someone else posted about a few posts down.

Must I get a visa or tourist card for Cambodia at the airport?

[QUOTE=Henryv;1124046]Must I get a visa or tourist card for Cambodia at the airport?[/QUOTE]The answer is usually yes, unless you are from a handful of countries exempt from needing a cambo visa for entry.

[QUOTE=Kuranyi; 1123526]So sad to hear that the chicken farms and 5$ viet cuties are disappearing all over Cambodia.

Which chicken farm are you speaking of in SHV? The shags on the port or the house in town?

Did the whole business just went underground for cambos only or did they really made it to destroy it?

R. I. P. Cambo sex business. ([/QUOTE]When they talk about the chicken farm in Snooky, it is referring to the one at the port.

[QUOTE=Henryv;1123946]How about the Walkabout?[/QUOTE]Henry,

Depends what you after, girl wise. Yes, the Walkabout is in the heart of the action, no pool however, practictly next door to Flamingo which is just around the corner. The Walkabout is a [b]positive[/b] For someone such as myself. I believe some mongers are very dismissive of it, the reports on Phnom Penh and Cambodia, in general, are very negative unfortunatly. Do not read much into this.

I yearn for a return trip to Cambo, so little time, money is not the issue. Cambo is very definately what you make of it. Being positive in nature, I had a wonderful time in Cambo, the chicks, so sweet, being the highlite.

[b]Swimming pools[/b] Are hard to come by, there is one, not sure where, perhaps I should have noted it some time back, as I am a keen fish. Excellent manner of keeping fit instead of pushing iron.

[b]Visa[/b] Is issued upon arrival. However, I would check with your particular countrie`s Foreign Office for affirmation.

[b]Sim card[/b] Should not be a problem if your phone functions in Thailand. Cannot recall if I bought in Cambo, however.

Walkabout, by the way, may appear somewhat run down, do not be put off by this. Very cheap, at some $15. $19 per room, depending on choice and availabilty. The lovely bar with friendly staff and patriots will make you feel at home in short time. The girls are simply lovely little sweethearts, very approachable, or perhaps more often than not, they will make the first move. Again, a few mongers are dismissive of the chicks there. It is bizaare, they mention the Walkabout scornfully, and it`s patriots, but are assed enough, they mention it. They appear unhappy. LOL.

[b]Big thumbs up[/b]

However. This new typo function is very a big negative, unfortunately. Some wierd mis-corrections.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1123780]Hi guys, newbie here.

I was wondering if there's any boardmembers currently living in or visiting Phnom Penh that could help me out tracking down a girl that I met at the Walkabout last week.

I meant to get her phone number on my last night in PP but unfortunately fell ill and didn't make it out that night.

My next visit isn't for another 3 months and given the high turnover rate at the Walkabout it would be a shame if she left the WA before my next trip.

I'd greatly appreciate any help on this matter either on here or via PM.

Cheers guys! [/QUOTE]Well you can't receive PM's so.

Happy to get you in contact with her if you can help me with a description beyond that she is about 4ft 6 inches tall black hair and brown skin. Really I am happy to help if I can, a photo would work best as she may have used a different name with you than I know her by.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491; 1124072]Well you can't receive PM's so.

Happy to get you in contact with her if you can help me with a description beyond that she is about 4ft 6 inches tall black hair and brown skin. Really I am happy to help if I can, a photo would work best as she may have used a different name with you than I know her by.[/QUOTE]Shadow,

Only been on here for a short while, so haven't quite worked the functions out yet.

It'd be great if you could help me out, beers will be on me next time I'm in town.

Discription wise this should be quite easy as she's not the standard Khmer midget (no offence to Khmer midgets BTW, I'm quite partial to them).

Her name's Aria. 37, from Snooky originally. She told me she's been in PP for a month (yeah I know) , I'd never seen her before on any of my previous trips so I'm willing to take her word for it.

Looks wise, she has a Khmer mum and a Nepalese dad which make her rather exotic looking, slightly Indian or even Middle Eastern, might have even mentioned that she's Muslim, although I might be mistaken about that. About 5 ft 7 tall, big eyes, lovely smile, has a 10 year old son, been married twice (one Khmer, one Polish guy). She's usually at the WA at night from 10 pm onwards when I was in town last week.

Don't have a picture unfortunately.

I hope that this might be sufficient info, cause frankly, it's all I've got LOL.

Cheers for the help mate!

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965;1123782]Flamingo's is ok, nothing more, nothing less. I stayed there on my first trip in 2009 and found the rooms a bit tired looking and a bit too expensive for what I got.[/QUOTE]I agree with this opinion. Flamingo's is not that great of an option. It's an obvious choice because it's well known and has a good location, but I didn't have a good visit back in 2009. I didn't enjoy hearing street noise til 3am and then waking up at 8am due to construction noise. I also didn't appreciate the harassment from the over-priced tuk tuks and motos that camp out directly in front of the place.

There are dozens of other hotels in town that are a better deal. Lone Star, for instance, is only a couple blocks away. It has nicer rooms that are a little cheaper with wi-fi and a tasty free breakfast. I have never stayed there, so I don't know if it's girl friendly. But since most hotels are, I suspect it is too.

Do you have an e mail address for them?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1124278]I agree with this opinion. Flamingo's is not that great of an option. It's an obvious choice because it's well known and has a good location, but I didn't have a good visit back in 2009. I didn't enjoy hearing street noise til 3am and then waking up at 8am due to construction noise. I also didn't appreciate the harassment from the over-priced tuk tuks and motos that camp out directly in front of the place.

There are dozens of other hotels in town that are a better deal. Lone Star, for instance, is only a couple blocks away. It has nicer rooms that are a little cheaper with wi-fi and a tasty free breakfast. I have never stayed there, so I don't know if it's girl friendly. But since most hotels are, I suspect it is too. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1123978]Do you mean staying there?

If so, from what I've heard the rooms upstairs are pretty bad. Imagine what a forensics team would find if they were let loose on the matrasses in that place. [/QUOTE]CSI: Phnom Penh. That sure would be an interesting show. I'd watch. Just the idea of cops there doing actual police work I guess would make it science fiction.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965;1123978]Blue Tongue Hotel next door is supposed to be pretty nice, same owners as Walkabout, a bit pricey at $35[/QUOTE]So what's next door to that one, the D.O.A. Hotel? The Rigor Mortis Resort?

Anyway, if it was me going the first time, I wouldn't aim to be near "the action" but rather near "the food". So either on (or within at least a quick walk of) the riverfront. Being there would put you also within walking distance of what must be the 2 best spots these days, St 104 and St 136, both right near the riverfront too. But you are going to be hungry 3 times per day. Do you want to have to motorbike to the riverfront 3 times daily? There's very limited food options in the Flamingo area. There's overwhelming options near the river.

Staying in the FLamingo / Walkabout area only puts you close to Heart of Darkness (only interesting after 12) and Walkabout (trust me, not interesting) or the massage shops on, for example, St 63, which are not exactly what I'd call interesting in a mainstream sense. Definitely an acquired taste, if that. (or you might say they're just nasty).

My gut feeling is that Flamingo got to be as popular as it is mainly due to a lot of online marketing in places like this. Basically managers of the place plugging the place often in these kinds of forums every day for years. The place isn't anything special, and its location is actually inconvenient unless you're really into Heart and Walkabout, a couple places I'd peg as 2nd tier at best. Martini is a good deal better than both those places, and I wouldn't even recommend staying near Martini either.

As for pool. The hotels with pools usually aren't GF. (if anyone does have info about one, do share!) There is a decent pool at Phnom Penh Sports Club on south side of town (short walk from Russian market). Perhaps someone here can help out with actual address. That place was fine. And cheap. For the price, it had a surprisingly upscale feel to it. I checked out some of the pools at the big hotels, and they were all amazingly tiny and just bad in one way or another. The sport club pool was the best I found. Billabong's is really nice but they don't' let day visitors in and the place is strictly non-GF.

Different strokes for different folks regarding the Walkabout.

I like the idea that there is a place where one can pick up 24/7. It's a good place to hang out in the afternoons before the other bars open, enjoy a beer or a coffee and play some pool with the girls.

Agreed, the quality of freelancers isn't always to write home about but I've managed to pick up a few little gems from there. A lot is down to luck, some weeks the place looks like Battersea dog kennel, other times the talent is actually pretty good. One thing that does [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off about the place though. Is anyone ever going to change the f*king playlist in that joint?

About the hotels, If you're going to barhop on the Riverside it's best to find a hotel there, it'll save you some coin in transport. If Pasteur is more your area there's plenty of cheap accommodation round there too. I'd never stay at Flamingo's again though, once was enough.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1122768]The chicken farm in Palin was closed down about a year and a half ago.[/QUOTE]Not the point. It's the MALARIA. If you are out and about USE BUG REPELLENT.

The MALARIA is DRUG RESISTANT! All along the border areas. It's endemic

Is blue tongue what used to be chip lay? $35? Ridiculous unless they went VERY upscale with wi-fi included (and that's unlikely given the area)

My last stay at WA was 2 years ago - sort of difficult to get around but the security in the lock box station downstairs was nice - particularly if you bring your own lock. WA stairs are "difficult" and the rooms tend to smell a bit musty, but the price was right.

[quote=greenbud;1123135]that's one reason why i don't stay at the amari. they don't have any in-room safes (plus no wi-fi in the room). why didn't he use the individual safes in the lobby. those also are very flimsy; it's wooden with cheap locks. but the owner assured me that it was completely safe because the lobby is taped 24 hours a day by cctv.[/quote]i use the wooden drawers in the lobby, but place everything in a currency bag that locks. i do this even with rooms that have safes in them.

you can get wifi in your room at amari if you buy a clicknet card in the lobby. $5 for 5 hours or $10 for 10 hours. good signal and the fastest speed i have ever gotten anywhere in cambodia.

[quote=easton; 1125135]i use the wooden drawers in the lobby, but place everything in a currency bag that locks. i do this even with rooms that have safes in them.

you can get wifi in your room at amari if you buy a clicknet card in the lobby. $5 for 5 hours or $10 for 10 hours. good signal and the fastest speed i have ever gotten anywhere in cambodia. [/quote]never fully understood the purpose of the currency bag. the entire bag can be taken, or the locks can be picked.

i would bring my own scotch tape, put my stuff in a plastic or paper bag, sign it, and tape it up (just like what the front desk would do if you give it to them to put it in their safe). the bag can also be taken, but you would know if someone opened it up.

that being said, i've never had a problem with losing things from my safe, whether from my room or the lobby.

$10 for 10 hours; ouch! that's almost as much as the inside room ($15).

the main reason why i don't stay at the amari anymore is because i found a better hotel. the golden house across the street. a better room for $20 (if you get the discount) with in-room safe and wi-fi. but the wi-fi isn't that fast.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1125289]Never fully understood the purpose of the currency bag. The entire bag can be taken, or the locks can be picked.

I would bring my own scotch tape, put my stuff in a plastic or paper bag, sign it, and tape it up (just like what the front desk would do if you give it to them to put it in their safe). The bag can also be taken, but you would know if someone opened it up.

The main reason why I don't stay at the Amari anymore is because I found a better hotel. The Golden House across the street. A better room for $20 (if you get the discount) with in-room safe and wi-fi. But the wi-fi isn't that fast. [/QUOTE]Exactly the same with the currency bag, they can still take the bag but they cannot help themselves to anything in it without your knowing. It provides some insurance.

I thought The Golden House was not a girl friendly hotel since the Christian nuts are constantly going in and out of there. FYI, some of them are covertly taking pictures of bars and the people in them, I have witnessed this first hand.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1125289]Never fully understood the purpose of the currency bag. The entire bag can be taken, or the locks can be picked.

I would bring my own scotch tape, put my stuff in a plastic or paper bag, sign it, and tape it up (just like what the front desk would do if you give it to them to put it in their safe). The bag can also be taken, but you would know if someone opened it up.

That being said, I've never had a problem with losing things from my safe, whether from my room or the lobby.

$10 for 10 hours; ouch! That's almost as much as the inside room ($15).

The main reason why I don't stay at the Amari anymore is because I found a better hotel. The Golden House across the street. A better room for $20 (if you get the discount) with in-room safe and wi-fi. But the wi-fi isn't that fast.[/QUOTE]To green bud

I agree if you thief want to steal your money he will find a way to do it, I have a friend have his hotel room key stolen the key have the room # on it, the thief got into the room take the whole safe and his luggage and just walk out of the room, most hotel safe is not bolted down in China and the hotel made him paid for the safe and the thief was never caught even the local police said they know the thief from the security camera.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Easton;1125429]I thought The Golden House was not a girl friendly hotel since the Christian nuts are constantly going in and out of there.[/QUOTE]Are we talking about the same Golden House Hotel ([url]http://www.goldenhouse.asia/hm/[/url])?

The hotel across the Candy bar, right in the heart of Street 136?

For image purposes, Christians wouldn't stay there.

The hotel was GF last month.

[QUOTE=Easton;1125429]FYI, some of them are covertly taking pictures of bars and the people in them, I have witnessed this first hand.[/QUOTE]

They're not doing a good "covert" job if you saw them.

There's no problem if you stick with legal girls.

If it occurred, they probably weren't a Christian group. Most likely a news media like Dateline doing a Cambodian sex expose for the Nielsen rating sweeps month.

I've had my image taken in the go-go bars by sex tourists taking pictures/video of the action. I don't like it. But then I've also done it. Mostly in Angeles. Many bars there will allow you to take pictures, even though there's a sign saying you can't.

[QUOTE=Easton; 1125429]Exactly the same with the currency bag, they can still take the bag but they cannot help themselves to anything in it without your knowing. It provides some insurance.

I thought The Golden House was not a girl friendly hotel since the Christian nuts are constantly going in and out of there. FYI, some of them are covertly taking pictures of bars and the people in them, I have witnessed this first hand. [/QUOTE]Are you sure it wasn't just some horndog trying to sneak shots of the place for his own enjoyment? Maybe not, just a thought.

I once saw a foreigner video crew doing B-roll shots of St 104, and this after I had just strolled the whole length of it to come face to face with the camera. Excellent. Coming to a theater near you, Wendella the Pervert. My guess is that it was for some kind of documentary or news story.

From reading recents posts on Cambodia it seemes that the scene for mongering here isn't good anymore.

Should I not try and instead go earlier than planned to Thailand and get more time there.

I am going to be here for a few days anyway, too see the sights in PP, Siem Reap and Sianokville.

I would appriciate any advices on this.

I have personally sat at the Candy Bar and Nordic House and watched these people come and go from the Golden House all day and night. I have also seen them snap pictures while walking or sitting down (they look one way and take pictures the other way). I personally do not like my picture taken without my consent especially when I am with a young Asian female (legal of course).

H*

[url]p://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/asia/101222/cambodia-evangelicals-sex-trade-prostitution[/url]

Interesting reading the information on here about hotels in the riverside area. Can't quite get my head around these apparent Christian fundamentalists using Golden House as a base. What exactly are thy doing? Trying to convert the girls away from prostitution; trying to convert / shame the guys away from having girls or attempting to give gods punishment to us nice guys?

What do people know about the girl friendliness of some of the more upmarket hotels around the riverside? For example the Bouganvillier or the Quay? As far as a pool goes, hasn't it been mentioned previously that the Castle is girl friendly?

And lastly, what do people reckon about checking into Candy Bar for ease of getting on with the job. I am going to arrive (in April) on a flight from Europe at 9 am. Therefore should be in town at about 10 am. I have this idea of turning up at Candy Bar and booking a room. I'll be as toey as so I'll get some action with whatever is available in the bar at that early time for a ST. Then sleep off some jetlag, wake up and do the same again. Some internal logic don't you agree?

[QUOTE=Easton; 1125916]I have personally sat at the Candy Bar and Nordic House and watched these people come and go from the Golden House all day and night. I have also seen them snap pictures while walking or sitting down (they look one way and take pictures the other way). I personally do not like my picture taken without my consent especially when I am with a young Asian female (legal of course).

H*

[url]p://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/asia/101222/cambodia-evangelicals-sex-trade-prostitution[/url][/QUOTE]Maybe you could demonstrate your Sonny Corleone maneuver for them. .

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1125765]From reading recents posts on Cambodia it seemes that the scene for mongering here isn't good anymore.

Should I not try and instead go earlier than planned to Thailand and get more time there.

I am going to be here for a few days anyway, too see the sights in PP, Siem Reap and Sianokville.

I would apprieciate any advices on this. [/QUOTE]Hm, Cambodia or Thailand. Difficult choice. .

Dude. If you take a few days in Phnom Penh, you'll be asking yourself "What was I thinking?" every day you're there after the first night out. If your aim for those few days is to not be tempted and abtain, then Cambodia could be the way to go.

I went strolling on the waterfront in PP this evening around 8 o'clock.

Looking into the girlie bars: I was not impressed. My Philippime abstinence did not go away.

Details: I was into all of the bars on the first block of street 136. Most of them had only a small selection and few of girs I would call pretty. Also they were way too pushy, high pressure for staying and unwanted attention too, and some seemed annoyed of me just looking inside and then leaving. There were some exceptions though, a few of the bars had some interesting ladies, I think the best one was 69, although my memory may be wrong here. At the time it was happy hour (1 or 2 $) , but that goes only for a few types of drinks. I asked what the bf was: a girl said 7 you$. Question: what more then to pay later at the hotel room? (for one hour? For whole nite?)

On street 104 I looked into some of the bars, even fewer girls here, and even more pressure too stay, but I smiled my ways out. This night I was only researching. There were a few nice girls in the these bars, but it is necessary to take time to look around.

Are there more area for girlie bars than these two blocks? (the first blocks from the river on each of these streets). It seemed that 136 is a bit more upmarket, better and safer than 104. Is this correct? Another question: the girls in these bars are so-called registered, not freelancers? Making them safer? (in several regards.)

Last question: which areas for massage+? Am I right to assume that massage parlours are cheaper, and also lower quality compared to the bars? PS: possible to buy sildenafil otc in Cambodia?

I also asked at Hotel Golden House on 136. Price is 25-50 $. Gf-friendly. (I had to ask 3 times before the receptionist understood my question.).

Thats all, sorry for asking mostly questions, but I will come back with reports when I have something to report (I go to Siem Reap tomorrow, but will be back in PP on a few days).

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1126123]I went strolling on the waterfront in PP this evening around 8 o'clock.

I too stumbled upon 69bar and found it very nice. Girls were friendly but not too pushy. Mamma was also very pleasant. Would deffinately go back. Didn't do take away as I had one waiting for me later that night from DIA.

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1126123]Looking into the girlie bars: I was not impressed. My Philippime abstinence did not go away.[/QUOTE]Most people would agree. But Cambodia has the better prices for girls and hotels.

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1126123]I was into all of the bars on the first block of street 136.

I think the best one was 69[/QUOTE]I agree.

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1126123]Last question: which areas for massage+? Am I right to assume that massage parlours are cheaper, and also lower quality compared to the bars?[/QUOTE]There are massage fishbowls in some of the hotels. Example: The Paris Hotel has one. Cost is $5 or $6 for one hour; massage is lousy. The girl will ask the Barang $30 for extras; you probably can get it down to $20; not sure if you can get it down lower. Girls usually don't speak much English; it's more of a local scene. IMO, the quality was decent; similar to Bar 69.

Not sure of the cost of the hostess bars. Many of the girls will probably ask for a lot initially; can you get them for $20 plus barfine for short time? I just normally drink beers at the hostess bars. Maybe somebody else will answer that question.

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1126123]I had to ask 3 times before the receptionist understood my question.[/QUOTE]The hotel is GF, but a "Yes" in Cambodia can mean many things. It can mean yes, or I don't understand your question so yes, or no but I don't want any conflict so yes.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1126176]Most people would agree. But Cambodia has the better prices for girls and hotels.[/QUOTE]Yeah but. Cambodia definitely can not be considered a destination worth visiting to check out what's on offer, if that's your reason for going. Philippines has way more, and could still be worth the flight, but of course Thailand blows both away. I guess if your top priority was not spending much, then maybe. But you'd need a serious case of denial to be able to imagine you have good choices compared to Pattaya or Bangkok. If I walk into one good gogo in Bangkok, I'll see way more hot girls up on the stage in a first glance then I would going to places all over Phnom Penh for a week. And that's just one bar.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1126297]But you'd need a serious case of denial to be able to imagine you have good choices compared to Pattaya or Bangkok. If I walk into one good gogo in Bangkok, I'll see way more hot girls up on the stage in a first glance then I would going to places all over Phnom Penh for a week. And that's just one bar.[/QUOTE]I love Pattaya! I like to go to a nice go-go bar, have a beer, and look at all the naked girls. I also like Angeles.

You definitely have a larger selection of girls in those places.

But all you need is 5. I've never had more than 5 girls in my room.

The price for 4 or 5 girls from Martinis will be similar to 1 girl from a Bangkok go-go bar.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1126308]I love Pattaya! I like to go to a nice go-go bar, have a beer, and look at all the naked girls. I also like Angeles.

You definitely have a larger selection of girls in those places.

But all you need is 5. I've never had more than 5 girls in my room.

The price for 4 or 5 girls from Martinis will be similar to 1 girl from a Bangkok go-go bar. [/QUOTE]I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1126123]I went strolling on the waterfront in PP this evening around 8 o'clock.

Looking into the girlie bars: I was not impressed. My Philippime abstinence did not go away.

Details: I was into all of the bars on the first block of street 136. Most of them had only a small selection and few of girs I would call pretty. Also they were way too pushy, high pressure for staying and unwanted attention too, and some seemed annoyed of me just looking inside and then leaving. There were some exceptions though, a few of the bars had some interesting ladies, I think the best one was 69, although my memory may be wrong here. At the time it was happy hour (1 or 2 $) , but that goes only for a few types of drinks. I asked what the bf was: a girl said 7 you$. Question: what more then to pay later at the hotel room? (for one hour? For whole nite?)

On street 104 I looked into some of the bars, even fewer girls here, and even more pressure too stay, but I smiled my ways out. This night I was only researching. There were a few nice girls in the these bars, but it is necessary to take time to look around.

Are there more area for girlie bars than these two blocks? (the first blocks from the river on each of these streets). It seemed that 136 is a bit more upmarket, better and safer than 104. Is this correct? Another question: the girls in these bars are so-called registered, not freelancers? Making them safer? (in several regards.)

Last question: which areas for massage+? Am I right to assume that massage parlours are cheaper, and also lower quality compared to the bars? PS: possible to buy sildenafil otc in Cambodia?

I also asked at Hotel Golden House on 136. Price is 25-50 $. Gf-friendly. (I had to ask 3 times before the receptionist understood my question.).

Thats all, sorry for asking mostly questions, but I will come back with reports when I have something to report (I go to Siem Reap tomorrow, but will be back in PP on a few days). [/QUOTE]Personally I never pay more than $ 20 shorttime/$30 longtime. Of course the girls will start of higher, and who can blame them. How good are your haggling skills? Do note that not all girls will go with customers, some are only there to make some $ from ladydrinks. Best to find out what the deal is asap before to much is spent on drinks.

Apart from the 2 areas you talked about there's St 51, the older mongering area. There you'll find Walkabout (freelancers) , Shanghai Bar / Black Cat (Hostess girls) , Heart of Darkness (freelance disco). Sharkys (freelancers) is on St 130. Martini's (freelancers) is a bit further out of town on St 95. Le Cyrcee, PP's last remaining BJ bar can be found on St 49 just around the corner from Sharkys.

Regarding safety, always wear a hat and lock your valuables away, common sense. In 7 trips I've never had anything stolen.

Apart from the Paris Hotel there's also the Sakura Hotel on St 242. Massage $ 7 an hour. The girls will start at $ 40/50 but you can get them down to $ 20. Quality and performances are ok, don't expect a GFE. These massage places are ok to kill a bit of time on a boring afternoon.

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1126340]I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers! [/QUOTE]Rubbish info mate.

I've tried a few 3 somes in PP and have paid 20x2 short time / 30x2 long time, never more than that.

However, the ones that I tried didn't offer me the lesbian experience. I get the feeling Khmer girls are not really into muff diving. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

streets 104 and 136 are similar, best bars are 69, 104, candy, rose.

other bars rep001tered about, st 108 golden vine and two others.

dv8 off riverside with metro on the corner.

black cat on st 51 and that strange bar that shuts at midnight with more cultured hostesses north on 51 before one gets to the russian bvld.

big banana on 136 west of norodom near the st 49 corner which is the lcc street.

lcc is not a blowjob bar, but girls are guaranteed performers.

another bar down st 144.

several bars on st 5, one back from the river as one walks from 136 to 104.

i don't think that phnom penh is a waste of time at all, considerably cheaper than pattaya.

the girls in the go gos there are beautiful and demanding, in pp one does not have to buy lady drinks at all.

and the go go girls are so expensive and i despise those tatoos, why ruin a beautiful body?

most khmer working girls are not real professionals unlike their thai cousins.

i meet guys at the beach all the time who have bought a girl down from pp and the girls are nice and enjoy being out of the bar.

I've had a 3some twice here.

First time paid $20 to each for somewhere between a ST and a LT. Second time paid $10 to each because it was under an hour (they weren't happy with $10).

The girls didn't get into each other at all. It was more like taking turns. One of the girls fell asleep when I was boinking the other one. I put the active girl on top of the sleeping girl and continued, but she still didn't wake up.

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1126340]I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers! [/QUOTE]It will be about normal price to get the girls to do the lesbian stuff.

You need to ask the girls to see who will do that stuff. Anywhere with working girls, just ask. You eventually will find some. But I hate to keep on asking. I don't think you will have any luck on St 63.

Best chance will be at Le Crycee. Some people wrote they didn't like the quality. Many are of low quality, but few are decent, IMO.

I've also gotten girls at Martini. It seems many of the Vietnamese won't do it. You need to ask, but the problem is that they don't understand much English, so you may have to use hand gestures. But many should understand if you say "Yum Yum Lady?" I find it embarassing to use hand gestures. Best way if you're shy is to get a girl that you already know, and then let her ask.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965;1126349]However, the ones that I tried didn't offer me the lesbian experience. I get the feeling Khmer girls are not really into muff diving. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that.[/QUOTE]Yes that's correct. But IMO most girls of all nationalities don't like it. They just want the money. LOL!

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1126340]I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers! [/QUOTE]If you are really into that, the best way is to ask the girl to bring along a friend. It worked for me quite well.

[QUOTE=Luludinky;1126690]If you are really into that, the best way is to ask the girl to bring along a friend. It worked for me quite well.[/QUOTE]I did that a few times. The problem is that they usually bring back somebody fat and ugly!

a good website to understand cambodia and its culture is [url]www.talesofasia.com.[/url] his site has mainly good info on cambodia.

transport info:

bayon magazine has good info on transportation, including buses. you can find the free magazine at shakey's.

the khmer bribe for the traffic police is 5000 riel ($1. 25). illegal offenses are driving without helmet, wrong way on street, no license, no tag, and driving with headlights on during the daytime.

not sure what the barang bribe is. a good guess will be $2 or $2. 5. if you get stopped, don't be foolish and pay $5. remember to not get angry, and just smile and talk calmly. getting angry does not help (that dumb asian thing about losing face). does anyone know how easy it is to pay the local bribe amount?

there's sometimes a police trap on street 136; that street is one way. if you drive up from the riverside, that is illegal.

there's also a police trap on the street from golden sands hotel to the beach in sihanoukville; that street is one way. why the hell do they have all those one way streets in sihanoukvile when there is never any traffic; tia!

it seems the main money maker for the traffic police is the checkpoints in the main blvds where they get drivers not wearing helmets. funny: you will see young locals speed away from the checkpoints; the traffic police don't grab or chase them. the traffic police are more like meter maids. they don't grab them because if they fall and die, their parents (if they are rich) can file and charge them criminally. the young sons of the people that live in the big houses behind the paris hotel brag how they fought with the police.

this is cambodia: it's illegal to drive a moto-bike without a helmet, but it's legal for your young child to carry a newborn in the front, all without a helmet. it's illegal to drive with your headlights on during the daytime, but it's okay not to have it on during the night.

tuk tuk prices:

it seems local prices is 5000 riel ($1. 25) for normal trips. it will be $2 for a 5 kilometer trip from the market loaded with groceries.

of course they want more from the barangs, but they want $2 for normal trips.

examples: from street 136, they jump at the $2 fare to sharkeys. but that's a short trip. you can get it for $1. 50 or less. for a longer trip to martinis, when you say $2, they will counter with a higher price. they will say yes as you start to walk away.

driver recommendation for a car:

i would recommend bun va if you need a car and driver in phnom penh. he's honest and doesn't take commissions. i've been using him since the early 2000s.

his rates are $30 for a 8 hour day and $35 for a 12 hour day. add $5 if you want to go outside the city such as the killing fields. he has a 1992 landcruiser.

interesting story: i was on pub street in siem reap once; i was talking to a moto-dope driver; i mentioned that my driver doesn't take commissions; he said there is no such thing in cambodia; he is half way right. hard to find an honest driver in cambodia. i posted his contact info in the classified ads thread. you can also pm me.

note: some other poster recommended him several years ago. then he got e-mails asking him info on ****d girls. he doesn't do **** stuff! he has too much to lose. only contact him if you're interested in legal fun.

golden house on street 136:

there are 4 types of rooms (rack rates are $25, $30, $35, $45). it might be harder to get the $5 discount; the place is getting more crowded; they might try to offer you a free $5 breakfast. i get the $5 discount because i'm an "old" customer.

the manager/clerk chuckled and said no when i asked if there were christians groups there. but many ngo groups stay there. obviously some of the ngos are christians. that's what the other poster probably saw. ngos get a bad rap on this forum (besides the russians and koreans). many ngos are cool people; some of them (probably not too many though) also like to drink and monger. most ngo groups are into other activites besides the sex industry. they don't care about the mongers; they just probably want to take pictures and show it to their friends. only a few are aggressive.

sick example of a bad ngo: [url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2011022146895/national-news/court-gives-dutch-man-18-months.html[/url]

wow! only 10 months for doing all those **** boys for years. i wonder how much that cost him.

interesting fact about ganja: [url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010121645425/national-news/police-destroy-preah-vihear-marijuana-farm.html[/url]

only a warning for 92 plants.

Thanks for the info guys. I had an idea that I had been fed bum info!

100 plants planted for their personal consumption? Hahaha

Thanks for the info on PP.

What places to go for Vietnamese girls in PP?

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1127119]What places to go for Vietnamese girls in PP?[/QUOTE]2 places I know of is Street 63 and Martinis.

Many Viet girls at Martinis will not know much Englsih, but there are a few older mamasan types (not pimps but takes a commission) that will show you girls and translate. But at least one of them will lie in the translation to get the deal sealed; she assumes the guy will not stiff the girl; she's correct.

[quote=greenbud; 1126723]a good website to understand cambodia and its culture is.

[url]www.talesofasia.com.[/url]

his site has mainly good info on cambodia.

transport info:

bayon magazine has good info on transportation, including buses. you can find the free magazine at shakey's.

the khmer bribe for the traffic police is 5000 riel ($1. 25). illegal offenses are driving without helmet, wrong way on street, no license, no tag, and driving with headlights on during the daytime.

not sure what the barang bribe is. a good guess will be $2 or $2. 5. if you get stopped, don't be foolish and pay $5. remember to not get angry, and just smile and talk calmly. getting angry does not help (that dumb asian thing about losing face). does anyone know how easy it is to pay the local bribe amount?

there's sometimes a police trap on street 136; that street is one way. if you drive up from the riverside, that is illegal.

there's also a police trap on the street from golden sands hotel to the beach in sihanoukville; that street is one way. why the hell do they have all those one way streets in sihanoukvile when there is never any traffic; tia!

it seems the main money maker for the traffic police is the checkpoints in the main blvds where they get drivers not wearing helmets. funny: you will see young locals speed away from the checkpoints; the traffic police don't grab or chase them. the traffic police are more like meter maids. they don't grab them because if they fall and die, their parents (if they are rich) can file and charge them criminally. the young sons of the people that live in the big houses behind the paris hotel brag how they fought with the police.

this is cambodia: it's illegal to drive a moto-bike without a helmet, but it's legal for your young child to carry a newborn in the front, all without a helmet. it's illegal to drive with your headlights on during the daytime, but it's okay not to have it on during the night.

tuk tuk prices:

it seems local prices is 5000 riel ($1. 25) for normal trips. it will be $2 for a 5 kilometer trip from the market loaded with groceries.

of course they want more from the barangs, but they want $2 for normal trips.

examples: from street 136, they jump at the $2 fare to sharkeys. but that's a short trip. you can get it for $1. 50 or less. for a longer trip to martinis, when you say $2, they will counter with a higher price. they will say yes as you start to walk away.

driver recommendation for a car:

i would recommend bun va if you need a car and driver in phnom penh. he's honest and doesn't take commissions. i've been using him since the early 2000s.

his rates are $30 for a 8 hour day and $35 for a 12 hour day. add $5 if you want to go outside the city such as the killing fields. he has a 1992 landcruiser.

interesting story: i was on pub street in siem reap once; i was talking to a moto-dope driver; i mentioned that my driver doesn't take commissions; he said there is no such thing in cambodia; he is half way right. hard to find an honest driver in cambodia. i posted his contact info in the classified ads thread. you can also pm me.

note: some other poster recommended him several years ago. then he got e-mails asking him info on ****d girls. he doesn't do **** stuff! he has too much to lose. only contact him if you're interested in legal fun.

golden house on street 136:

there are 4 types of rooms (rack rates are $25, $30, $35, $45). it might be harder to get the $5 discount; the place is getting more crowded; they might try to offer you a free $5 breakfast. i get the $5 discount because i'm an "old" customer.

the manager / clerk chuckled and said no when i asked if there were christians groups there. but many ngo groups stay there. obviously some of the ngos are christians. that's what the other poster probably saw. ngos get a bad rap on this forum (besides the russians and koreans). many ngos are cool people; some of them (probably not too many though) also like to drink and monger. most ngo groups are into other activites besides the sex industry. they don't care about the mongers; they just probably want to take pictures and show it to their friends. only a few are aggressive.

sick example of a bad ngo:

[url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2011022146895/national-news/court-gives-dutch-man-18-months.html[/url]

wow! only 10 months for doing all those **** boys for years. i wonder how much that cost him.

interesting fact about ganja:

[url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010121645425/national-news/police-destroy-preah-vihear-marijuana-farm.html[/url]

only a warning for 92 plants. [/quote]thanks greenbud on the latest prices and info.

i have not been back to snooky for over 3 years now ever since they had the motorental ban on foreigners, now require to obtain an actual cambo license. i hated taking the motodops in snooky as they were all quoting outrageous prices. also with the downfall of my favorite blue mt houses it was no longer worth venturing to.

guess this year might be a good time to go back to snooky for a visit.

fz

I went to the bar "69" on street 136 yesterday. Arriving at 10 the place was pretty full of people and smoke. I should have arrived earlier I thoght, when I was here a few days ago at 8 the place was almost empty. I was escorted to the one available place at the bar, ordered a beer, and there next to me stood a girl (8 points, early 20s of age). She was eager to talk to me but seemed somewhat shy. Now, at first I wasnt totally satiesfied with this situation, since I prefer to have a bit time and look around when I enter a place. (The rule: avoid upwalkers.) But most of the girls in t bar were already busy anyway, also this girl seemed nice. So I chatted har up. This turned out to be a good decision. First I asked her if she would come with me and how much. She replied yes and 40. Then I bought her a drink and we talked and touched a bit, I said told har 30 $ would be ok for me, she said ok. So I paid the bf 7$ and drinks 7 (?) , and we went to my hotel. We showered in turns ant went to bed, it turned out that she was terrific in bed and very passionate, a great experience. DFK and DDFK but no BJ. (is this forbidden in Cambodia?) In the bar we didn't specify ST or LT (see my post on Siem Reap on this choice). So I only thought: lets see. It turnd out to be VLT. I will not bore you bwith the details here, but at one time I did run out of condoms. But she had also. She stayed until nafternoon the next day, and seemed that she didn't like to leave at all. I decided to give her 40 instead of 30 (but she didn't ask for anything).

Yes, Cambodian girls are different. Conclusion: I can recommend the bar 69.

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1127513]It turnd out to be VLT. I will not bore you bwith the details here, but at one time I did run out of condoms. But she had also. She stayed until nafternoon the next day, and seemed that she didn't like to leave at all. I decided to give her 40 instead of 30 (but she didn't ask for anything).

Yes, Cambodian girls are different. Conclusion: I can recommend the bar 69. [/QUOTE]Yes happens to me maybe half the time with Cambodian girls that I need to kick them out the next day. Sometimes it's that they're trying to score a boyfriend, and sometimes it's that they want to get paid for another night with you rather than having to find a new customer.

Any problem bring a girl back to the room?

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1123782]Flamingo's is ok, nothing more, nothing less. I stayed there on my first trip in 2009 and found the rooms a bit tired looking and a bit too expensive for what I got. It is very close to the st 51 action though and it's probably a good hotel for a newcomer to the city.

Sim cards are available as you exit arrivals at PP airport. Can't give you any info on price etc as I have never bought one. [/QUOTE]

What bars at the Riverside would you recommend?

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1124941]Different strokes for different folks regarding the Walkabout.

I like the idea that there is a place where one can pick up 24/7. It's a good place to hang out in the afternoons before the other bars open, enjoy a beer or a coffee and play some pool with the girls.

Agreed, the quality of freelancers isn't always to write home about but I've managed to pick up a few little gems from there. A lot is down to luck, some weeks the place looks like Battersea dog kennel, other times the talent is actually pretty good. One thing that does [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off about the place though. Is anyone ever going to change the f*king playlist in that joint?

About the hotels, If you're going to barhop on the Riverside it's best to find a hotel there, it'll save you some coin in transport. If Pasteur is more your area there's plenty of cheap accommodation round there too. I'd never stay at Flamingo's again though, once was enough. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1127513]DFK and DDFK but no BJ. (is this forbidden in Cambodia?) In the bar we didn't specify ST or LT[/QUOTE]You need to ask all those questions in the bar for your "full satisfaction". My guest is that a majority of the girls should be willing to do BJs.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1127807]You need to ask all those questions in the bar for your "full satisfaction". My guest is that a majority of the girls should be willing to do BJs.[/QUOTE]Can confirm that most do, but how well they do it is a whole another question.

PT

[QUOTE=Henryv;1127627]Any problem bring a girl back to the room?[/QUOTE]Have not been back to Flamingo in several years but last time I stayed, no problem with bringing in a guest, just make sure to book a double and you should have no problems.

Only problem I ever had with bringing gals back was when I had booked one of the smaller guesthouses run by a small family (actually I think it was part of their house) and just renting rooms out. They didn't allow "unwanted guest" even though I had booked a double.

PT

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2; 1128129]Can confirm that most do, but how well they do it is a whole another question.

PT[/QUOTE]Another question is "are you lying?". Sometimes it's a yes in the bar, but No in the hotel room (mainly for lesbian or CIM).

Whats the word for BBBJ?

God, I hope this is not a problem, already paid for my flight and booked the hotel.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1127807]You need to ask all those questions in the bar for your "full satisfaction". My guest is that a majority of the girls should be willing to do BJs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1128223]Another question is "are you lying?". Sometimes it's a yes in the bar, but No in the hotel room (mainly for lesbian or CIM).[/QUOTE]The are you lying problem can be easily avoided by asking the girls to do a pinky swear. Of course you don't actually "ask them" but hold up your pinky finger in a hooked fashion and ask them "sure" if they eagerly enter into the pinky swear no problems if they refuse they are lying.

I have found that the Cambodian ladies do not do BJ's but the Vietnamese ladies do. I have travelled all over Cambodia in the last two years and have found this to be true.

[QUOTE=Pinche Gringo;1128621]I have found that the Cambodian ladies do not do BJ's but the Vietnamese ladies do. I have travelled all over Cambodia in the last two years and have found this to be true.[/QUOTE]Odd that. On the three occasions that I was in in PP I was never with a woman (Khmer or Viet) who didn't give BJs.

Absolutely no problem having blowjob given in Cambodia. I've been in Cambodia the for a couple of weeks the last 4 years and is in fact in Phnom Penh now, and all girls I've been with have more or less given BBBJ without even beeing asked for it.

[QUOTE=Pinche Gringo;1128621]I have found that the Cambodian ladies do not do BJ's but the Vietnamese ladies do. I have travelled all over Cambodia in the last two years and have found this to be true.[/QUOTE]One visit to Cambodia. 2 Khmer girls and 2 blowjobs.

Most khmers not keen on BJs, unlike viets.

Yum yum is the slang for BJ or otherwise-si gdaw bahn dtey?

I always try to find their preferences before leaving the bar, but one can be caught out with liars.

What is the significance of the "pinky swear."

Again, anyone have any recommendations regarding Riverfront bars.

Also, I like to gamble somewhat, any suggestions on a Casino?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1128522]The are you lying problem can be easily avoided by asking the girls to do a pinky swear. Of course you don't actually "ask them" but hold up your pinky finger in a hooked fashion and ask them "sure" if they eagerly enter into the pinky swear no problems if they refuse they are lying.[/QUOTE]

There are lots of things in Asia that I will never understand or even try to. All I can tell you is it works I don't know why.

[QUOTE=Pinche Gringo;1128621]I have found that the Cambodian ladies do not do BJ's but the Vietnamese ladies do. I have travelled all over Cambodia in the last two years and have found this to be true.[/QUOTE]I concur with that. Over the past 6 months or so, I ST over 10 girls from the bars at St 136, 105 and a couple of beer promoters from the beer gardens. The majority of them do not do BJs, one of them I remember said 'Ek ek! ', a Cambodian expression the equivalent of 'that's disgusting' or 'that's dirty'. Only one did and that's was I barfined for at least 3 times, and only because I threatened not to barfine her again if she doesn't do that, and only then very reluctantly.

2 months ago, I got to know a FB who works as a supervisor in a disco, a 'good girl' if one can call her that, who I gave $10 every morning for her 'tuk-tuk' home. 26 year old, divorced with no kid (6 years ago) , had a Malaysian boyfriend who has since returned home, she hasn't had sex for about a year. I initiated the oral which was not reciprocated during our maiden bonk session but subsequently and up till today, she has no problem with BBBJ and has since progressed from cleaning me up with a one of those towels served to customers in better F&B establishments, to licking me dry. And yes, I have done her raw (from the 3rd time when I ran out of condoms) , cumming on her abdomen, or ass if doing a doggie. I seriously doubt she'd get pregnant even if I shoot it all in, an old codger like me, but I'm sure would not like to be proven wrong, LOL.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1129295]There are lots of things in Asia that I will never understand or even try to. All I can tell you is it works I don't know why.[/QUOTE]The pinky swear is similar to "swear to god" or "on my mother's grave / soul".

I never tried that. It seems like a good idea.

Pinky swears aren't just an asian thing. I remember using them a lot as a kid in the US.

[QUOTE=Faidenk; 1129449]I concur with that. Over the past 6 months or so, I ST over 10 girls from the bars at St 136, 105 and a couple of beer promoters from the beer gardens. The majority of them do not do BJs, one of them I remember said 'Ek ek! ', a Cambodian expression the equivalent of 'that's disgusting' or 'that's dirty'. Only one did and that's was I barfined for at least 3 times, and only because I threatened not to barfine her again if she doesn't do that, and only then very reluctantly.

2 months ago, I got to know a FB who works as a supervisor in a disco, a 'good girl' if one can call her that, who I gave $10 every morning for her 'tuk-tuk' home. 26 year old, divorced with no kid (6 years ago) , had a Malaysian boyfriend who has since returned home, she hasn't had sex for about a year. I initiated the oral which was not reciprocated during our maiden bonk session but subsequently and up till today, she has no problem with BBBJ and has since progressed from cleaning me up with a one of those towels served to customers in better F&B establishments, to licking me dry. And yes, I have done her raw (from the 3rd time when I ran out of condoms) , cumming on her abdomen, or ass if doing a doggie. I seriously doubt she'd get pregnant even if I shoot it all in, an old codger like me, but I'm sure would not like to be proven wrong, LOL.[/QUOTE]To Fandenk

Most viet girl that are new to the game work at the brothel at st 136 don't know how to BJ, if you want BBBJ go get your girl in the bar or night club, so you should ask up front what is on the menu I also pick up a girl from a disco for all night and find out she don't want to do BBBJ but I ask her at the disco she said yes.

Fast Eddie 48

Again, this is my first trip to Cambodia so please indulge me.

Can you name a few bars "at St 136, 105" you might recomend. How about the Riverfront.

Also, I will be staying at the Flamingo, is it safe to walk to the bars area bars, e. G, Walkabout, Heart of Darkness, etc?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Faidenk; 1129449]I concur with that. Over the past 6 months or so, I ST over 10 girls from the bars at St 136, 105 and a couple of beer promoters from the beer gardens. The majority of them do not do BJs, one of them I remember said 'Ek ek! ', a Cambodian expression the equivalent of 'that's disgusting' or 'that's dirty'. Only one did and that's was I barfined for at least 3 times, and only because I threatened not to barfine her again if she doesn't do that, and only then very reluctantly.

2 months ago, I got to know a FB who works as a supervisor in a disco, a 'good girl' if one can call her that, who I gave $10 every morning for her 'tuk-tuk' home. 26 year old, divorced with no kid (6 years ago) , had a Malaysian boyfriend who has since returned home, she hasn't had sex for about a year. I initiated the oral which was not reciprocated during our maiden bonk session but subsequently and up till today, she has no problem with BBBJ and has since progressed from cleaning me up with a one of those towels served to customers in better F&B establishments, to licking me dry. And yes, I have done her raw (from the 3rd time when I ran out of condoms) , cumming on her abdomen, or ass if doing a doggie. I seriously doubt she'd get pregnant even if I shoot it all in, an old codger like me, but I'm sure would not like to be proven wrong, LOL. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv;1129910]Also, I will be staying at the Flamingo, is it safe to walk to the bars area bars, e. G, Walkabout, Heart of Darkness, etc?[/QUOTE]It's only a 2 minute walk to either of those places, so you are unlikely to be mugged. However the sidewalks are filled with tables and obstacles from various businesses so you'll have to walk some of the way in the street. The biggest threat is probably being hit by a passing vehicle. And I can absolutely guarantee that you'll be yelled at and harassed by the tuk tuk drivers and moto drivers who want your business. Of course they won't be able to understand why you wouldn't want to pay $0. 50 or $1 to travel a couple hundred meters.

I hope you enjoy your stay at Flamingo more than I enjoyed mine! .

Thank you for the info.

The tuk tuk drivers should be the least of my worries, been around asia and in some places where the hawking is particularly heavy.

What was the problem with the Flamingo? Can you recommend a good hotel nearby.

Is is safe to walk to the Riverfront from the Flamingo?

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1129959]It's only a 2 minute walk to either of those places, so you are unlikely to be mugged. However the sidewalks are filled with tables and obstacles from various businesses so you'll have to walk some of the way in the street. The biggest threat is probably being hit by a passing vehicle. And I can absolutely guarantee that you'll be yelled at and harassed by the tuk tuk drivers and moto drivers who want your business. Of course they won't be able to understand why you wouldn't want to pay $0. 50 or $1 to travel a couple hundred meters.

I hope you enjoy your stay at Flamingo more than I enjoyed mine! . [/QUOTE]

Last Thursday nite at 9:50 PM at Martinis, I counted approx 70 girls (including the ones inside the disco and the girls with guys, but not staff).

Last Friday nite (Sat morning) at 3:00 AM, the crowd at Poontoon (close to Heart of Darkness) was similar to the Heart (mostly barang men and FLs with some local men and white females). Not packed, but somewhat crowded.

Note: Not all girls at the Heart are available (not sure about Poontoon). Funny scene last nite: A drunk guy approached a girl that was dancing with her friend. She said no. He came back, but the girl laughed and screamed and ran away. The security guard had to come and gesture to the guy to calm down.

[QUOTE=Henryv;1130006]Is is safe to walk to the Riverfront from the Flamingo?[/QUOTE]I have done so on a number of occasions although admittedly, during daylight. However, beware of some pretty aggressive stray dogs.

Some places?

Hi folks,

I read recently again a lot about the flamingos hotel. I can only tell you my experiences, and these are many and recent ones.

Its a good hotel, good lokation and the place around is safe, as long as you act not strange.

The stuff is friendly and the hotel is a save and reliable place, thats what imortant for me.

So hope my review helped a little, I am pro Flamingo.

Michael

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1129670]To Fandenk

Most viet girl that are new to the game work at the brothel at st 136 don't know how to BJ, if you want BBBJ go get your girl in the bar or night club, so you should ask up front what is on the menu I also pick up a girl from a disco for all night and find out she don't want to do BBBJ but I ask her at the disco she said yes.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]No Viet girls working at St 136 or 104, none that I know of, all of them are Khmers. And yes, if you want cocksuckers, the Viets are a safe bet, found at most KTVs but not all. Some of the 3 tier KTVs specialise in Viet girls. Lots of Viets at Martini too, discos too like Casa.

Please tell me hat do you mean by: "as long as you act not strange?" Thank you.

[QUOTE=Michael 1973; 1130538]Hi folks,

I read recently again a lot about the flamingos hotel. I can only tell you my experiences, and these are many and recent ones.

Its a good hotel, good lokation and the place around is safe, as long as you act not strange.

The stuff is friendly and the hotel is a save and reliable place, thats what imortant for me.

So hope my review helped a little, I am pro Flamingo.

Michael[/QUOTE]

Since this piece from the Phnom Penh Post did not show up here so far, I decided to post this article even though it is already more than a week old.

Did anybody ever visit this place? Or was it for male prostitute only?"Speciality brothel" sounds intriguing. Are there any other such places in that neighborhood?

Raid closes specialty brothel.

Sunday. 27 February 2011 20:46 Buth Reaksmey Kongkea.

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Anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] officials last week cracked down on a guesthouse in Phnom Penh's Prampi Makara district that offered sexual services for a select clientele.

Keo Thea, director of the municipal Anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and Juvenile Protection Office at the Ministry of Interior, said a raid of the guesthouse-turned-brothel in Veal Vong commune netted a total of 14 arrests, including the guesthouse owner, two accomplices and 11 sex workers, on Saturday.

'We have been investigating this house for about a month before we took superb action in cracking down on it, ' he said.

Keo Thea added that the guesthouse offered specific sexual services.

'This place is hidden and illegal and provides sexual services for [gay] men, lesbians, old ladies and foreign people in Phnom Penh. '

He said police research had uncovered that the guesthouse had been a popular destination for people seeking its specific services for many years.

The detained were being held at the Phnom Penh Municipal Police Department for questioning prior to being sent to provincial court today to face charges, Keo Thea said, though he expressed doubts about the fate of some of the people arrested during Saturday's raid.

'We are now waiting for the order from our superiors about what we should do with these 11 people, who are sexual service providers and those who had come for sex, ' he said.

'But for the house owner and the two accomplices, we will send them to court for charges. '

Last Updated (Sunday. 27 February 2011 20:51)

[QUOTE=Henryv;1130667]Please tell me hat do you mean by: "as long as you act not strange?" Thank you.[/QUOTE]First off, Flamingos is only a 3 star hotel, so if you insist on creature comfort then this is not for you. That being said, I find that the Flamingos is such a popular monger hotel, the girls are completely relaxed and feel at home. And unless you really play your cards wrong, you wouldn't be overcharged.

There have been bad trip reports on the web regarding Flamingos, the most serious one being money disappearing from the in-room safe! I can say that I've stayed at the hotel twice after that report aired, but that never happened to me, so I suspect it was either a false report or some how an isolated incident. (and don't forget to tip your chamber maid.)

A new club opened up right next to the hotel last December, so make sure you ask for a room on the other side. Flamingos is located at the heart of party central, so the area is always busy and hence you'll be safe, from mugging, that is. And BTW, that new club next door is a gay club, so forgetaboutit.

And if you want more than 3 stars in the same general neighborhood, I would suggest the Blue Tongue. And that is located right next to the Walkabout.

Spaceman

[QUOTE=Henryv;1130667]Please tell me hat do you mean by: "as long as you act not strange?" Thank you.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I mean as long as you adopt to the surrounding of a 3rd world country, not walk around with jewlery, big camera.

Michael

Thank you (& Michael 73) , appreciate the input. Will check out the Blue Tongue.

I post primarily on the Philippine / Thai board, for some reason it seems difficult to get info on this board.

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1130871]First off, Flamingos is only a 3 star hotel, so if you insist on creature comfort then this is not for you. That being said, I find that the Flamingos is such a popular monger hotel, the girls are completely relaxed and feel at home. And unless you really play your cards wrong, you wouldn't be overcharged.

There have been bad trip reports on the web regarding Flamingos, the most serious one being money disappearing from the in-room safe! I can say that I've stayed at the hotel twice after that report aired, but that never happened to me, so I suspect it was either a false report or some how an isolated incident. (and don't forget to tip your chamber maid.)

A new club opened up right next to the hotel last December, so make sure you ask for a room on the other side. Flamingos is located at the heart of party central, so the area is always busy and hence you'll be safe, from mugging, that is. And BTW, that new club next door is a gay club, so forgetaboutit.

And if you want more than 3 stars in the same general neighborhood, I would suggest the Blue Tongue. And that is located right next to the Walkabout.

Spaceman[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Faidenk;1130632]No Viet girls working at St 136 or 104, none that I know of, all of them are Khmers. And yes, if you want cocksuckers, the Viets are a safe bet, found at most KTVs but not all. Some of the 3 tier KTVs specialise in Viet girls. Lots of Viets at Martini too, discos too like Casa.[/QUOTE]To Faidenk,

It been a few yr since I been to PP and there are less viet girl than before and many brothel have closed down, about 10 yr ago my first time in pp it is hard to find a khmer girl.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Henryv;1131040]I post primarily on the Philippine / Thai board, for some reason it seems difficult to get info on this board.[/QUOTE]Main reason if you are familiar with Phils and Thai is that there is alot more going on at those locations than here in Cambodia, especially after all the raids of the last few years here.

Just as a note, there may be more girls available for P4P in just Pattaya alone than ALL the mongering venues thats open to us foreigners in this country.

[QUOTE=Henryv;1130667]Please tell me hat do you mean by: "as long as you act not strange?" Thank you.[/QUOTE]Walking around drunk and staggering around in a dark street.

Also, Wandering around in unfamiliar areas in a dark street at night (and just to let you know that MOST streets in PP aside from the main Blvds are dark and unlit).also fits the bill here.


Trying not to make yourself a target is what most here are advising.

FZ

I've often walked around near Flamingo's in the middle of the night butt naked with a raging boner while wearing gold chains and expensive watches and snapping photographs with my DSLR camera. Never really had any problems.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1131313]I've often walked around near Flamingo's in the middle of the night butt naked with a raging boner while wearing gold chains and expensive watches and snapping photographs with my DSLR camera. Never really had any problems.[/QUOTE]The Flamingo area (which includes Walkabout, Pontoon, Shanghai, Heart etc) is relatively safe.

The area has many people around, even at 3 AM. That's the only advantage of having those pesky moto-dope drivers around. There are many eyes on you. Hence it will be relatively safe to walk around drunk in that particular area late at night.

That's one advantage of PP over Tijuana or San Jose, Costa Rica. In Tijuana or San Jose, the local people will just look at you getting mugged; they don't even call the cops. In PP, they hate the criminals; they should still want to beat up the muggers (if they have the numbers).

I feel relatively safe walking around drunk when there are people around.

But that being said, remember since you will have more than $5 in your pocket, we barangs are a target. If you are drunk, you are more of a target. If you wear flashy clothes / jewelry, you are more of a target.

I wouldn't walk drunk late at nite on deserted streets. Not as dangerous as it would be in the Philippines, but I still wouldn't do it.

A real danger would be some guy on a moto-bike racing by and snatching your wallet, camera, or jewelry.

Just got a return e mail from the Blue Tongue Hotel, they said they do not allow "guests (of any type)".

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1130871]First off, Flamingos is only a 3 star hotel, so if you insist on creature comfort then this is not for you. That being said, I find that the Flamingos is such a popular monger hotel, the girls are completely relaxed and feel at home. And unless you really play your cards wrong, you wouldn't be overcharged.

There have been bad trip reports on the web regarding Flamingos, the most serious one being money disappearing from the in-room safe! I can say that I've stayed at the hotel twice after that report aired, but that never happened to me, so I suspect it was either a false report or some how an isolated incident. (and don't forget to tip your chamber maid.)

A new club opened up right next to the hotel last December, so make sure you ask for a room on the other side. Flamingos is located at the heart of party central, so the area is always busy and hence you'll be safe, from mugging, that is. And BTW, that new club next door is a gay club, so forgetaboutit.

And if you want more than 3 stars in the same general neighborhood, I would suggest the Blue Tongue. And that is located right next to the Walkabout.

Spaceman[/QUOTE]

I understand.

However, simple musings as to favorite bars, where you might have gotten lucky, etc. Seem to be lacking.

General question, if moving around at night is unsafe outside the Flamingo Hotel area, how much should I pay the moto drivers to go to, say, Martinis or Sharkeys?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Freezone; 1131163]Main reason if you are familiar with Phils and Thai is that there is alot more going on at those locations than here in Cambodia, especially after all the raids of the last few years here.

Just as a note, there may be more girls available for P4P in just Pattaya alone than ALL the mongering venues thats open to us foreigners in this country. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv;1131465]Just got a return e mail from the Blue Tongue Hotel, they said they do not allow "guests (of any type)".[/QUOTE]What the? I have never stayed at the BT before. I've only been to the restaurant and it looked decent. How can a non-gf hotel survive in a monger district is beyond me?

Spaceman

Hi, I'm new to this boards. Can anyone recommend some guest-friendly hotels and their prices? So I just bring the girl back, and they don't say anything?

[QUOTE=Hatari;1131630]Hi, I'm new to this boards. Can anyone recommend some guest-friendly hotels and their prices? So I just bring the girl back, and they don't say anything?[/QUOTE]Flamingos no problem. $25-35.

If you take a girl from the adjoining Black cat Bar (same ownership supposedly) then no need to deposit the girls I'd card.

[QUOTE=Henryv; 1131467]General question, if moving around at night is unsafe outside the Flamingo Hotel area, how much should I pay the moto drivers to go to, say, Martinis or Sharkeys?

Thanks. [/QUOTE]I take tuk tuks, and I figure I'd pay around $1 to go to Martinis or Sharkeys. Maybe $1. 25-$1. 50 (5000-6000 riel) to go to martinis at night, since it's a little farther away.

If you want a moto then figure slightly more than half of that. $0. 50 or $0. 75 (or 2000-3000 riels). You can pay slightly more if you want, but definitely don't pay the first price ($3-$4?) these guys suggest.

However I avoid getting in any tuk tuk at or around 51st street. They generally are just ripoffs preying on the tourists and drunks. The one time I violated my rule and caught a tuk tuk on 51st to Martini he took me to the wrong place, then acted like an aggressive fool and started demanding more money than we had already agreed on to take me to Martinis. Eventually I had to just put his fare next to him and walk off.

My advice would be to walk a block or two to Norodom. 63rd, or Monivong and hail a ride from there.

And about your earlier question to me about Flamingo: I already commented on why I had a bad stay and you already replied to that post, so I didn't want to beat a dead horse. I think you just forgot about my earlier comment.

Yes, you did give me your opionion on Flamingo, forgot. Thank you.

I assume a "moto" is a motorcyle with no side attachment, and a "Tuk-Tuk" has an attachment for seating.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1131770]I take tuk tuks, and I figure I'd pay around $1 to go to Martinis or Sharkeys. Maybe $1. 25-$1. 50 (5000-6000 riel) to go to martinis at night, since it's a little farther away.

If you want a moto then figure slightly more than half of that. $0. 50 or $0. 75 (or 2000-3000 riels). You can pay slightly more if you want, but definitely don't pay the first price ($3-$4?) these guys suggest.

However I avoid getting in any tuk tuk at or around 51st street. They generally are just ripoffs preying on the tourists and drunks. The one time I violated my rule and caught a tuk tuk on 51st to Martini he took me to the wrong place, then acted like an aggressive fool and started demanding more money than we had already agreed on to take me to Martinis. Eventually I had to just put his fare next to him and walk off.

My advice would be to walk a block or two to Norodom. 63rd, or Monivong and hail a ride from there.

And about your earlier question to me about Flamingo: I already commented on why I had a bad stay and you already replied to that post, so I didn't want to beat a dead horse. I think you just forgot about my earlier comment. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv; 1131824].

I assume a "moto" is a motorcyle with no side attachment, and a "Tuk-Tuk" has an attachment for seating. [/QUOTE]Correct.

Moto= motocycle taxi where you sit behind the driver. Never any need to flag one down as one will hound you every 2 minutes.

Anyone here know if there are ST hotels such as the ones in Bangkok around Soi Cowboy?

Also, are there any recommended 'massage' parlors? How much are typical prices?

[QUOTE=Hatari;1132752]Also, are there any recommended 'massage' parlors? How much are typical prices?[/QUOTE]I have tried several massage parlours in Phnom Penh, but by far the best one is upstairs at a salon named Sokun's Place, near the night market on riverside. Sokun is the name of the owner, and his gf (named Srey) manages the place, and chooses all the girls.

The salon is fabulous and has an attractive staff of young women (most in early 20s) for haircuts, shaves, ear cleaning, shampoo, etc. If you go into the private room on the first floor, they will take care of you very well, and you can then ask who is available to give you a massage.

Once you select one, you head upstairs for an ostensibly normal massage, but the girls are all keyed in to us expatriates and will take the initiative to accidentally arouse you. No FS, only a happy ending (with exposed breasts, which you can fondle) , but oh what a happy ending!

The massage, I think, is about $8 and the girls expect a $10 tip. The salon prices are very reasonable, and I tip each of the girls who provided salon services $1 each.

Great place, and highly recommended!

Just a hand job?

[QUOTE=Bule2004; 1133116]I have tried several massage parlours in Phnom Penh, but by far the best one is upstairs at a salon named Sokun's Place, near the night market on riverside. Sokun is the name of the owner, and his gf (named Srey) manages the place, and chooses all the girls.

The salon is fabulous and has an attractive staff of young women (most in early 20s) for haircuts, shaves, ear cleaning, shampoo, etc. If you go into the private room on the first floor, they will take care of you very well, and you can then ask who is available to give you a massage.

Once you select one, you head upstairs for an ostensibly normal massage, but the girls are all keyed in to us expatriates and will take the initiative to accidentally arouse you. No FS, only a happy ending (with exposed breasts, which you can fondle) , but oh what a happy ending!

The massage, I think, is about $8 and the girls expect a $10 tip. The salon prices are very reasonable, and I tip each of the girls who provided salon services $1 each.

Great place, and highly recommended! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hatari;1132498]Anyone here know if there are ST hotels such as the ones in Bangkok around Soi Cowboy?[/QUOTE]Many places marked "guesthouse" offer short-time rates. The girls at Cyrcee will be happy to show you a few.

[QUOTE=Henryv;1133423]Just a hand job?[/QUOTE]Yes, only HJs are on the menu.

Wow, I thought that sort of thing only went on in Chinese massage parlours here in the US.

I hope PP has more to offer than that.

[QUOTE=Bule2004;1133942]Yes, only HJs are on the menu.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know of a good massage parlour, fishbowl type place, where one can get "full service?"

[QUOTE=Henryv; 1134139]Wow, I thought that sort of thing only went on in Chinese massage parlours here in the US.

I hope PP has more to offer than that. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv;1134145]Does anyone know of a good massage parlour, fishbowl type place, where one can get "full service?"[/QUOTE]Henryv,

Can I suggest you try to read back a few pages. The info you are after has already been posted on here, yet you keep asking the same inane questions over and over again. Is this a case of extreme lazyness, stupidity or are you just trolling?

'Can I suggest you try to read back a few pages. The info you are after has already been posted on here, yet you keep asking the same inane questions over and over again. Is this a case of extreme lazyness, stupidity or are you just trolling? [/QUOTE]'

Wow, someone needs an anger management session.

If one believes the purpose of this board is to exchange experiences, translated into information (as one perceives that experience / information) then I stand by my inquires.

As for extreme lazyness (Sic) , you may want to take the time to spell correctly.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1134217]Henryv,

Can I suggest you try to read back a few pages. The info you are after has already been posted on here, yet you keep asking the same inane questions over and over again. Is this a case of extreme lazyness, stupidity or are you just trolling? [/QUOTE]

Have you tried asking Leftfield1965, it appears he has a wealth of information to share.

[QUOTE=Hatari;1131630]Hi, I'm new to this boards. Can anyone recommend some guest-friendly hotels and their prices? So I just bring the girl back, and they don't say anything?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv;1134478]'Can I suggest you try to read back a few pages. The info you are after has already been posted on here, yet you keep asking the same inane questions over and over again. Is this a case of extreme lazyness, stupidity or are you just trolling?[/QUOTE]'

Wow, someone needs an anger management session.

If one believes the purpose of this board is to exchange experiences, translated into information (as one perceives that experience / information) then I stand by my inquires.

As for extreme lazyness (Sic) , you may want to take the time to spell correctly. [/QUOTE]Anger management session? Nah, just kind of fed up with your dumb questions.

Is it safe to walk from Flamingos to the Walkabout / Heart?

Ever heard of Google maps? If you have you'd know that they're just around the corner from each other. You think you're going to get mugged during your 2 minute walk?

Can anyone recommend a massage / fishbowl place?

Myself and another guy recommended Paris Hotel / Sakura hotel to you just a few posts down. What happened? Forgot? Old age setting in?

What's the difference between a tuktuk and a motocy?

I thought you were an old hand in SE Asia yet you have to ask a question like this?

What are the negatives about Flamingos?

I told you what I thought about the place, as did another poster, yet you had to ask the question again.

I could go on but I can't be bothered.

As for your spelling jibe, is that all you can come up with?

[QUOTE=Henryv;1134482]Have you tried asking Leftfield1965, it appears he has a wealth of information to share.[/QUOTE]Sucking up to other boardmembers is the way to go Henry.

Wow, evidently you are not some tired old drunk (got two pm's regarding your initial rant).

Thank you for the mp info. Will check them out.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1134517]'

Wow, someone needs an anger management session.

If one believes the purpose of this board is to exchange experiences, translated into information (as one perceives that experience / information) then I stand by my inquires.

As for extreme lazyness (Sic) , you may want to take the time to spell correctly. [/QUOTE]Anger management session? Nah, just kind of fed up with your dumb questions.

Is it safe to walk from Flamingos to the Walkabout / Heart?

Ever heard of Google maps? If you have you'd know that they're just around the corner from each other. You think you're going to get mugged during your 2 minute walk?

Can anyone recommend a massage / fishbowl place?

Myself and another guy recommended Paris Hotel / Sakura hotel to you just a few posts down. What happened? Forgot? Old age setting in?

What's the difference between a tuktuk and a motocy?

I thought you were an old hand in SE Asia yet you have to ask a question like this?

What are the negatives about Flamingos?

I told you what I thought about the place, as did another poster, yet you had to ask the question again.

I could go on but I can't be bothered.

As for your spelling jibe, is that all you can come up with? [/QUOTE]

Crikey!

Only a dollar to go from 51 to sharkeys or martinis-how tight are some of you guys?

Fair go!

Fuel is expensive as is the cost of living in Cambodia.

Much as I dislike most tuk tuks I believe in helping them out with at least two bucks or more.

The money should be shared around not just with working girls and bar owners.

Looking after transport providers helps ensure ones own safety as well.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1135317]Crikey!

Only a dollar to go from 51 to sharkeys or martinis-how tight are some of you guys?

Fair go!

Fuel is expensive as is the cost of living in Cambodia.

Much as I dislike most tuk tuks I believe in helping them out with at least two bucks or more.

The money should be shared around not just with working girls and bar owners.

Looking after transport providers helps ensure ones own safety as well. [/QUOTE]I'll help them out when they stop harassing me every 5 seconds when I'm just walking down the street.

Hey fellow mongers,

Has anyone been to the new Pontoon bar? Is it just a meeting place for expats? Or is there some action to be had?

Spaceman

Any advice for a massage saloon with young girls offering some extras?

2 years ago it was a 1. 00 for motorbikes in and around town, including Martinis from the Walk-About.

Around 1. 50 for a tuk tuk, but you could get it for a dollar.

It's not so much the price as the principle, I don't like feeling like a chump for tipping or paying to much. Honestly majority of the drivers are pests, and should just be happy to have our business.

If I tip to much, then I start thinking about that driver talking to his friends over a beer or two of how this stupid farang gave him a $$$ tip. That starts all of them asking or expecting larger tips, thus the down hill slide.

I can handle being seen as a fair and nice guy for giving a decent tip, but the worst case (for me) is paying to much and being seen as a chump. Which again (my opinion) is what the driver will think of you. AKA sucked another one!

Pay the 1. 00 or 1. 50 for a straight forward ride at a decent hour, and maybe 1. 50 and 2. 00 for rides late at night / raining or off the beaten track side trips. Of course make sure of the fair before hand, if not happy there's always another driver 5 feet away.

Just arrived in PP and my limited experience with the moto drivers is this: I have gone to Martinis's from 51, and back, Russian market, casino, Street 104. Etc, and it appears pretty simple. I offer them $1 (whis seems fair) , if they refuse (none eventually did) , I simply walk to the next one an offer the same. Their is no unity among these guys, this simple manuver does the trick. Indeed, I was coming out of the Heart of D last night and a fist fight nearly broke out between two drivers over a fare.

Also, there was an accident and one moto took off. The police showed up and it was like a Max Sennet slapstick comedy. Every officer going the wrong way. Hilarious.

I can understand how the drivers can become a nuisance, but its there livelyhood. They, and the Cambodian men, appear to be very dissimialar to the Thai men. The Thai men barely tolerate your presence. I talked with a few moto drivers and there were some interesing characters.

Will give a newbie report on my initial impression in a few day, have not slept much since I have been here.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002; 1135766]2 years ago it was a 1. 00 for motorbikes in and around town, including Martinis from the Walk-About.

Around 1. 50 for a tuk tuk, but you could get it for a dollar.

It's not so much the price as the principle, I don't like feeling like a chump for tipping or paying to much. Honestly majority of the drivers are pests, and should just be happy to have our business.

If I tip to much, then I start thinking about that driver talking to his friends over a beer or two of how this stupid farang gave him a $$$ tip. That starts all of them asking or expecting larger tips, thus the down hill slide.

I can handle being seen as a fair and nice guy for giving a decent tip, but the worst case (for me) is paying to much and being seen as a chump. Which again (my opinion) is what the driver will think of you. AKA sucked another one!

Pay the 1. 00 or 1. 50 for a straight forward ride at a decent hour, and maybe 1. 50 and 2. 00 for rides late at night / raining or off the beaten track side trips. Of course make sure of the fair before hand, if not happy there's always another driver 5 feet away. [/QUOTE]

Newbie observation:

Quite frankly, I like it. Basic room (Standard $25) which is clean, people are very friendly, free breakfast (albeit not much) and, most of all, location. It seems "Heart of Darkness" is the last stop for many barhoppers (seen Martini's almost emply out Sunday night at 1 am with most going to HD).

I am sure if I scowered the net I could find something better but, as one individual advised when I was asking for info, a very good place for a newbie to stay.

Dear Mongerers,

I'm in Phnom Penh for the next few weeks on an infrastructure project and I was wondering if the legendary Sophie's is still there? Some sources says its closed, and since I don't know the address, any info would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Johnny42; 1136513]Dear Mongerers,

I'm in Phnom Penh for the next few weeks on an infrastructure project and I was wondering if the legendary Sophie's is still there? Some sources says its closed, and since I don't know the address, any info would be greatly appreciated. [/QUOTE]You are about 3 and a half years to late.

General observations from a newbie:

Walkabout Hotel: I am remined of the bar scene in the original Star Wars movie. What a cast of characiers (present company included). About 70% of the women are emaciated crack working girls. However, the truth be told, I am amazed at the gems that would stroll in from time to time. The decor is also second to none. For example, I thougt the bar stools were part of some avante garde look. Then I noticed some were not split down the middle. Is a good place to meet expats and get information. Interesting, had breakfast there one morning and they made me pay ahead of time. Won't eat there again. Besides, too many good Asia resteraunts near.

Bars on 104 and 136. Acutally not bad. Can find an occasional gem. My only bad experience was in "69" Bar. Went there the first night, presented myself as a gentleman, tipped appropriately. Gals were, all in all friendly. However, last night I met one of the rudest bartenders (gal) in my life. Asked her to put a twist of lime in my rum / coke and she acted as if I asked for her first born. She literally threw a bag of limes on the bar and said: "ge it yourself." Told her what she could do with the drink and walked out. On the way out two of the girls apologiized or her and said: "she always like that, me don't know why?" Did not put much a damper on the evening, just found another bar.

Sharkys: Appears to be more of a young mans game here. An older guy like me is usually approached by a member of the second string.

Martinis: The ultimate meat market. Met one in here with huge tits my first night. Great gal. Problem, as sometimes occurs, she was there a few nights later, however, I was in the mood for something different. Difficult, and somewhat uncomfortable time ditching her.

Heart of Darkness: Again, somewhat more of a younger mans game, but not as profoundly so as Sharkys.

Will be visiting a few of the high end places the next few nights.

Finally,"tuk-tuks" here are different than in the Philippines. Here they are almost stagecoach like, with the carriage seperate from the driver. Just put that in here in case my critic is reading this.

Also apologiize for any misspelling, this keyboard at the hotel computer is driving me nuts.

Nice report Henry. I'll be in PP next month. Your report has wetted my already wetted apatite. Haven't been there for a year and it'll be my third visit.

Last time I was there I enjoyed Candy Bar on 136 and like the eateries along the river there too. What's Candy like these days? Same as?

Okay. How does this sound for my first day plan. I arrive from Europe at 9 am in PP. Obviously I'll be as toey as anything, somewhat travel weary and looking for immediate gratification. So by the time I clear customs and get a taxi downtown it'll only be about 10. 30 am. Still early. My thoughts are that I should go straight to Candy Bar and book a room there. I know the pickings will probably be a bit rank at that hour but whatever. So I get my rocks off with who's ever available then catch up on some sleep. I wake up again. Whenever and you guessed it, I just go down and see what's available. Same thing. Wake up again.

Maybe next night I book into a hotel so I can expand my horizons.

For some nights, I don't mind spending a bit more. River 108 looks good Agoda. Anyone have any reports on it. I emailed reservations who confirmed I can bring guests back to the room. Nice.

[QUOTE=Henryv;1137104]General observations from a newbie:[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Please, keep them coming.

[QUOTE=Henryv; 1137104]General observations from a newbie:

Walkabout Hotel: had breakfast there one morning and they made me pay ahead of time. Won't eat there again. [/QUOTE]Not just breakfast, at WA the food deal is: pay first, food after. Their food isn't the best, but it's convenient and 7/24.

Try the Saint Tropez lounge, which is a stone's throw from WA. Also I heard that the Pontoon bar is opened across from Heart of Darkness. Also Riverhouse bar / lounge / disco never disappoints.

Pick up a copy of the Nightlife guide at the Flamingos frontdesk for the most up-to-date list of places to visit.

There's a waitress at Flamingos that I really dig. I guess you already know which one. .

Spaceman.

Ps. I envey you.

I am an old hand now in PP and have been out and about lately.

Walkabou is great value, the pay first policy makes sense.

If one paid first in the hostess bars then a lot of money would be saved.

Candy bar still pads the bills, beware.

Walkabou is the best value in town, still.

Met some lovely keen young girls there recently.

I speak pretty good khmer and I talk to the girls openly.

Met a pair in the WA the other morning, one Ok the other very nice.

The Ok one said I love to suck cock and eat pussy with my friend. 15 bucks each.

Went back to find them later, no have.

Another lovely girl with huge tits there as well.

Bars generally disappointing but I have high expectations, I only like beautiful tall ones.

The cyrcee was shocking the other night, ten girls and not one approached me.

They werent flash anyway.

Old banana bar around the corner was better.

Went for a massage at a crappy khmer place off mao tse tung, lovely young girl, terrible room, not bad for $20 bucks though.

Better was at a flash massage place on 278 just before elsewhere, paid for the top of the line body scrub.

Little na with big tits started playing with the balls and without input from me did the twenty minute balls massage and hand job-excellent.

And she was happy with a twenty dollar tip.

I'm bored with the bar girls.

Candy is like most, hit or miss. But for the most part I do like it a little more because they seem to have more pickable gals. It is also larger than some of the other places so there is a larger selection of gals. Place is big enough so if a gal comes up that you do not like it is easier to extricate yourself (that is not self abuse).

Saw a stunning ladyboy in there, not into, but he / she / it was a looker,

[QUOTE=TrickyTrevor; 1137280]Nice report Henry. I'll be in PP next month. Your report has wetted my already wetted apatite. Haven't been there for a year and it'll be my third visit.

Last time I was there I enjoyed Candy Bar on 136 and like the eateries along the river there too. What's Candy like these days? Same as?

Okay. How does this sound for my first day plan. I arrive from Europe at 9 am in PP. Obviously I'll be as toey as anything, somewhat travel weary and looking for immediate gratification. So by the time I clear customs and get a taxi downtown it'll only be about 10. 30 am. Still early. My thoughts are that I should go straight to Candy Bar and book a room there. I know the pickings will probably be a bit rank at that hour but whatever. So I get my rocks off with who's ever available then catch up on some sleep. I wake up again. Whenever and you guessed it, I just go down and see what's available. Same thing. Wake up again.

Maybe next night I book into a hotel so I can expand my horizons.

For some nights, I don't mind spending a bit more. River 108 looks good Agoda. Anyone have any reports on it. I emailed reservations who confirmed I can bring guests back to the room. Nice. [/QUOTE]

Respectfully disagree on paying for food before it is served. They probably do this to avoid the drunk walking out.

Yes, I have seen a number of girls in WA with big tits, with a stomach to match. It seems the really good looking ones snap up a patron real quick. For example, I have seen a few great looking gals, alone, however, they charge food to their immediate boyfriends room.

Where exactly is Cyrcee?

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1137623]I am an old hand now in PP and have been out and about lately.

Walkabou is great value, the pay first policy makes sense.

If one paid first in the hostess bars then a lot of money would be saved.

Candy bar still pads the bills, beware.

Walkabou is the best value in town, still.

Met some lovely keen young girls there recently.

I speak pretty good khmer and I talk to the girls openly.

Met a pair in the WA the other morning, one Ok the other very nice.

The Ok one said I love to suck cock and eat pussy with my friend. 15 bucks each.

Went back to find them later, no have.

Another lovely girl with huge tits there as well.

Bars generally disappointing but I have high expectations, I only like beautiful tall ones.

The cyrcee was shocking the other night, ten girls and not one approached me.

They werent flash anyway.

Old banana bar around the corner was better.

Went for a massage at a crappy khmer place off mao tse tung, lovely young girl, terrible room, not bad for $20 bucks though.

Better was at a flash massage place on 278 just before elsewhere, paid for the top of the line body scrub.

Little na with big tits started playing with the balls and without input from me did the twenty minute balls massage and hand job-excellent.

And she was happy with a twenty dollar tip.

I'm bored with the bar girls. [/QUOTE]

Just re read my post on the ball massage-she was happy with the two dollar tip.

Cyrcee is on st 49, that is one west of norodom, between 130 and 136.

So I'll be arriving in PP on 11 April. I now realise that Cambodian New Year is a few days afterwards. I know, as in Saigon where I used to live, that people go home for New Year.

So am I going to have trouble getting girls over this period? Are the strips on 104, 136, Walkabout, Martini's etc going to be running as usual?

Any insights welcome.

Thanks

Hey everyone,

I have been following the Pit Stop Bar's blog for about a month and some of the girls there seem to be 7-8's from the photos. Does anyone have first hand experience with the place? The owner says that he is trying to attract only great looking quality girls, which I always a great thing in my book!

Where is it?

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1138543]Hey everyone,

I have been following the Pit Stop Bar's blog for about a month and some of the girls there seem to be 7-8's from the photos. Does anyone have first hand experience with the place? The owner says that he is trying to attract only great looking quality girls, which I always a great thing in my book! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1138543]Hey everyone,

I have been following the Pit Stop Bar's blog for about a month and some of the girls there seem to be 7-8's from the photos. Does anyone have first hand experience with the place? The owner says that he is trying to attract only great looking quality girls, which I always a great thing in my book! [/QUOTE]I visited the place briefly and wasn't impressed. The drinks were pricy and the atmosphere was bad. The lady who attached herself to me was pushy, annoying, and ugly. I was the only one in there and quickly left. Maybe I went at the wrong time of day. It's supposed to be a late late night spot. I agree that the bar blog is a good read and wish the owner well in turning the place around.

Henryv. Go to google and type in "pit stop phnom penh". You get a map, lots of pages telling you the address, and a link to the bar's blog.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1138568]I visited the place briefly and wasn't impressed. The drinks were pricy and the atmosphere was bad. The lady who attached herself to me was pushy, annoying, and ugly. I was the only one in there and quickly left. Maybe I went at the wrong time of day. It's supposed to be a late late night spot. I agree that the bar blog is a good read and wish the owner well in turning the place around.

Henryv. Go to google and type in "pit stop phnom penh". You get a map, lots of pages telling you the address, and a link to the bar's blog. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, I might just drop in to have a beer with the owner, seems like he is trying to do the thing but is hitting some brick walls haha poor bugger.

Is my face red, passed the place at least 30x.

Went in last night, very sad state of affairs. Hardly any girls, and the ones that were there were almost reptilian like.

Will try it tonight when it is very late.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1138568]I visited the place briefly and wasn't impressed. The drinks were pricy and the atmosphere was bad. The lady who attached herself to me was pushy, annoying, and ugly. I was the only one in there and quickly left. Maybe I went at the wrong time of day. It's supposed to be a late late night spot. I agree that the bar blog is a good read and wish the owner well in turning the place around.

Henryv. Go to google and type in "pit stop phnom penh". You get a map, lots of pages telling you the address, and a link to the bar's blog. [/QUOTE]

Made my last pass over this place at about 1am. This was the 3rd time I tried this place so I can now delcalre it a worthless endevor. Had three gals and a mamson. As it is an open air bar, if you do not see it differently avoid it.

First, let me apologize for my spelling, this keybord at the hotel is a real pip.

General Observations: Unlike Thailand or the Philippines, its more a younger mans game here. I do not say that out of vindictiveness, its just the truth. The better looking girls seem to gravitate to the younger guys. I observed this countless times, and believe me I spend a lot of time observing. In Thailand its more a money game, and he who has it. In the Philippines, tell a gal you are from the states and you are halfway in her pants, regardless of your age.

Nonetheless, the people here are absolutely great. Wonderfull sense of human, and they seem to go a little further to please. Particularly impressed by how friendly the guys are. I know the moto / tuk drivers are a real pain sometimes, but after the negotiation and the ride 99% of them smiled and thanked me. You all know how the guys in Thailand are, a fight breaks out involving a westerner and they all jump in, its like the national sport. The Philippine men are far more dangers to mess with, especially when they drink. Many of them are also armed.

I walked all over this town until 4 or 5 am and never felt physically threatened. I did stay in the more well lighted popular areas. It seems you are more likely to get seriously injured on a motor, or by one just walking in the street. Newbies should not take this lightly, it is a serious concern.

Unlike the Thais and Filipino's, the gals here are not great actresses, maybee thats good. One thing they need to do is open up a BJ Academy here. Most of the girls (all Cambodian) had no problem with this, however, they are really not that good. In one case the gal was pulling like she was drinking a milk shake.

Lastly, I would like to thank you guys for being so patient in answering my questions, really felt like I had a leg up as a result of your being so kind as to answer my, sometimes rhetorical, questions.

Well, a few months and off to the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Henryv;1139315]You all know how the guys in Thailand are, a fight breaks out involving a westerner and they all jump in, its like the national sport.[/QUOTE]Don't expect Cambodia to be any different on that count!

Cambodians can be charming people, no doubt about it. But despite the general feeling of safety these days, it's still a place where you want to keep your wits about you. Things can get rough in a hurry.

Agree wholeheartedly, just my general observation.

Given the economic disparity being what it is, your point is well taken.

[QUOTE=Betong; 1139321]Don't expect Cambodia to be any different on that count!

Cambodians can be charming people, no doubt about it. But despite the general feeling of safety these days, it's still a place where you want to keep your wits about you. Things can get rough in a hurry. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv;1139315]General Observations: Unlike Thailand or the Philippines, its more a younger mans game here. I do not say that out of vindictiveness, its just the truth. The better looking girls seem to gravitate to the younger guys. I observed this countless times, and believe me I spend a lot of time observing. In Thailand its more a money game, and he who has it.[/QUOTE]You're right on this. I'm younger, and in Thailand it often works against me because it's only about money and the girls all want an older rich guy who will send them some every month. In Cambodia I'm more popular because the girls want a younger guy. Not sure why the difference exactly.

Hey guys,

What age would you consider "younger" or "older"? I'm 33, I'm guessing that I'd be in the middle somewhere haha.

Thanks for the extra info on the Pit Stop. Might give it a miss :-D

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07;1139775]What age would you consider "younger" or "older"? I'm 33, I'm guessing that I'd be in the middle somewhere haha.[/QUOTE]The majority of white men in SEA tend to be around 50 or 60, so 33 is still young.

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1139775]Hey guys,

What age would you consider "younger" or "older"? I'm 33, I'm guessing that I'd be in the middle somewhere haha.

Thanks for the extra info on the Pit Stop. Might give it a miss :-D[/QUOTE]Agree that you are still a young man in Cambodia. I fit into to 50's range but money still talk so I had no problems as long as I'm willing to put out.

Based on my observations, your "young."

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1139775]Hey guys,

What age would you consider "younger" or "older"? I'm 33, I'm guessing that I'd be in the middle somewhere haha.

Thanks for the extra info on the Pit Stop. Might give it a miss :-D[/QUOTE]

I am not saying it cannot be done by an older guy, but it does require they put forth more of an effort. However, just sit back and notice, if there is a young and older guy in a bar, club, etc, the really better gals will hit on the younger guy first. Again, based on almost 20 years experience, I do not see the same thing in Thailand or the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Freezone;1140144]Agree that you are still a young man in Cambodia. I fit into to 50's range but money still talk so I had no problems as long as I'm willing to put out.[/QUOTE]

Ahh I see, its good that I'm still considered "young" somewhere hahaha

Just wanted to post some info on heart of darkness that I didn't see on the thread. Perhaps I missed it.

Tiger beer draft (decent size mug) is 2 USD. Most cocktails were about 3-4 USD. The main type of music that night was Techno, trance, house. The place doesn't look run down. All in all I rather enjoyed it and would recommend it to the younger mongers out there. Absolutely no problem getting girls to party with.

Just a recommendation. Try staying away from the girls who are all business. Although they might be better looking than most they might give terrible service. I base this from previous experiences around Cambodia. You can easily get a girl that is much more fun and would probably be almost as good locking and cheaper.

There was a couple of girls who KNEW they were hot. 9's probably. They might've glanced at me once or twice but I theídn't even pay attention. Didn't feel like paying top dollar KNOW they can charge it and work very little for it.

Just to add, the girls who are all buisness usually gravitate to the Heart about midnight / one am from Martini's.

Wish I would have met more that were all buisness (did meet one or two).

As I mentioned earlier, saw a ladyboy in there that was absolutely stunning. What was funny was the fact that some newbies (talked to one) were falling all over he / she / it. When I clued one guy in to the fact he was feeling up a guy he was mortified.

[QUOTE=Muse Fan; 1141063]Just wanted to post some info on heart of darkness that I didn't see on the thread. Perhaps I missed it.

Tiger beer draft (decent size mug) is 2 USD. Most cocktails were about 3-4 USD. The main type of music that night was Techno, trance, house. The place doesn't look run down. All in all I rather enjoyed it and would recommend it to the younger mongers out there. Absolutely no problem getting girls to party with.

Just a recommendation. Try staying away from the girls who are all business. Although they might be better looking than most they might give terrible service. I base this from previous experiences around Cambodia. You can easily get a girl that is much more fun and would probably be almost as good locking and cheaper.

There was a couple of girls who KNEW they were hot. 9's probably. They might've glanced at me once or twice but I theídn't even pay attention. Didn't feel like paying top dollar KNOW they can charge it and work very little for it. [/QUOTE]

I arrived a couple days ago. Here's my take on the current scene, after a brief sampler. I'll try and update it when I hit new places. If someone in town wants to try out a couple of massage joints or new places PM me, always more enjoyable with a wingman.

WA: usual crowd, took a ST for relief after a longish flight from Europe. Good BJ skills, 22 or 23, one kid but small non saggy breasts, $15 + 3 for a short time room down the road.

In the evening I went to martinis where I bumped into "Ontheroad", an old hand here. Good ratio of guys/girl for a (relatively) busy sat night. A few cute viets but none under 21-22 minimum, the same goes for khmers. Ended up with a petite khmer with almost no English, took her back to my digs (found an appartment for the month for 300$). Decent performance but nothing stellar, she was happy with $15 + 2 for taxi. Too tired to check out other places so I just crashed and fell asleep.

Yesterday sunday, wasted some time retrieving my luggage that had been hold up at heathrow (surprise surprise...), paid a curtesy visit to my in-laws who took me for dinner at the tonle bassac, an excellent buffet for 13$. Home free at 9pm so I headed for str 104. I parked near nay nay on 102 and walked down to 104.

Checked out bunny's , an old favourite. At first the selection wasn't that great, 9 girls, 2 behind the bar, 2 other guys. After a while the 2 girls who were taking care of me persuaded me to go to the back. They dimmed the light and proceeded to give me a hand job. Actually it was HJ tuition time for one of the 2, a 25 (!) yo who just got started, tutored by the resident expert. As it usually happens the expert was competent but too chubby and I wouldn't have taken her. I would have taken the newbee to complete her training but had the foresight to enquire about BJ skills, that were .. inexistant, in the sense that it wouldn't even be part of the menu.

Time to exit while the going was good, so i finished my drink (LDs not required and not offered), tipped each girl $1 and went to the colonial bar where I got lucky on a couple of previous visits. The bar was almost empty bar 2 korean guys inside who were surrounde by 2-3 girls, and about 5-6 girls. I sat on the small balcony outside, wasted 10' with an old hag and her 2 cronies before getting up. I was about to pay and leave when I spotted 2 girls on the other balcony, and they looked much more promising. One with a radiant smile, the other one with a beautiful face, both smiling and welcoming. Both spoke decent english, had some unspoiled vibe about them so I was a bit taken aback when they told me they'd been working for 1,5 and 2 yrs at the bar respectively. They were 24 and 25. Still, I was interested and was hard pressed to chose one of them.

So when beautiful face got up , I asked radiant smile if she would go ST. She had previously confessed that for some reason western guys usually took no notice of her (which made her all the more appealing to me) , but koreans and other asians liked her, she even has a regular japanese, but hadn't heard from him since the earthquake. So I was surprised when she said no, she wouldn't go out, she doesn't go, even with the koreans or japs who flock to her, not even with the jap 'BF'. Apparently she's contented with LD and her pay, and the same goes for her friend. I could however make my choice among the other gitls from the other balcony. Yeah, right. So I paid up and left.

Walked in next door to 104 where the girls are on general better looking and slightly younger. Was quicky surrounded by a bunch of average to very cute girls. Ended up with one, 22, 'aya', but after 10' I felt she was a bit too mercenary for me, started going on about her sick mother blahblah. The problem is that all the others had flocked away and it's mission impossible to try and switch girls when you have informally selected one. So rather than waste further time I went out, not beforeI secured her phone number, she was after all a possible option for a lazy afternoon, and I gave her a small tip so that she'd come running if/when I need her services before she takes up service. KNY is looming and better plan for a shortage of girls.

I went around and back to nay nay where I checked out the talent. I was close to midnight. There were maybe 6 girls and 2 guys playing pool. Nigerians. Probably not a good sign. I sat down next to the one of 2 possibles, and started talking/playing with her and my nighbour sitting on the other side, another chubby one (why can't the good looking ones have the same bubbly personality ?)

In the meantime the bar had filled up with ... fucking nigerians, there were now 8 of them chatting up the girls, or at least trying to, playing pool, waving their cigarette butts and bottles, being laud and generally obnoxious, dancing around the pool table and trying to touch up a couple of the girls who brought up the beers. My first impulse was to get out but I decided to stay on a bit, see how it would evolve. Chubby next to me had told me that the girls did not go with the black guys, ever, but I wanted to see that with my own eyes. So I got into onlooker mode while being massaged and cajoled by the 2 girls next to me. There are more uncomfortable positions when you're on a stake out, so I hold my own... Eventually at one am they all left, the lights went up, and they told me they would close. I suggested the cutie to my left to go out with me, but as they still insisted on a BF I told them to forget it, if they close and force me out there's no way I'll play ball and get suckered into a barfine.

I drove to sharkeys, almost no light from the outside, I parked the car and one of the touts walked up to me with a ticket. "ticket for what ?" I asked. For watching your car. "ok forget it" I said, then drove on. I hate those fucking leeches, will have to come back earlier some day and park round the curb. So I went a bit further to st 136 (there had been a few lookers in bar 69 in january) but as I was walking past dream bar I spotted a truly beautiful girl, long curly hair, tall, classical beautiful face, , sitting with 4-5 other girls at a table outside. So I went it, had a drink and chatted them up at the table. The beautiful one (thyda) was 24, spoke good english, and looked better and better the more I was looking at her. After 15' chit chat with all the girls (2 others had proceeded rubbing my arms and neck again..) thyda asked me whether I would buy her a drink, or rather refill hers, as she had been having one. I said I'd be happy to but not here, outside, and maybe even grab a bit to eat, after I barfined her.

Well the same inside radar that usually gets me in trouble in the PI (where I systematically hone in on the cherry girls or those who will not be taken out at any cost) was acting up again, as it turns out she's the only girl in the bar that will not go out, very disappointlingly. The other girls don't measure up so I cut my losses there and then, and proceed to bar 69.

My memories haven't failed me and as soon have I entered that I am surrounded by 7 or 8 cuties vying for my attention , there were maybe 20 girls in total and 1 or 2 other customers. So I sit down and they all surround me. We exchange names (mine's mike for the occasion) and plaisantries, and get my arms and neck and hands and back diligently massaged by 4-5 girls at a time. After a while I ask the most verbal one (good figure and pleasant personality but bad teeth that ruined it for her) about barfines. $5 ? No, $7 here. Ok, I can understand, central location etc and very good choice. Forewarned by the previous turn of events I ask "so, 7 girls here, who goes barfine and who doesn't go ?" she then shows me no less than 5 girls, among whom the 3 I would have been interested, 2 girls 20-21 and one 25 with a kid (sic), and none of the 5, incl the hot mum, would go out ! WTF ! So the choice was either take one of the 2 dogs or leave.

I am a chosey customer and would rather not consume than try out an unsavoury dish, so it started looking like this would be a dead night. I had started out wanting to take 2 girls last night, one ST from a bar in the early evening, then some recup time and another one later on. My options for option 1 had all but gone and option 2 was dwindling fast. So down for the last stop of the evening, the Heart. on st 51. 2 am is normally a good time to arrive, let's see.

First impression : too many guys, very few doable girls. Well let's look at the bright side, at least there were no nigerians. After 30 wasted minutes prowling the grounds I get out empty handed, get a drink in the small shop opposite, and enter again at 3. I sit at the central island. A cute one to my left but the music's too damn loud to hear a work of what she's shouting in my ear. Right then I spot a very pretty face, cute slim bod, sitting opposite me ... and she's looking at me as well. I smile and wave to her and she obediently comes along and sits next to me. I ask her 'want to get out of here ?' she nods, we get up and leave.

A sihanoukville transfuge in town for a couple weeks, escaped from a bad marriage in snooky, looking for a job .. I take her to my place, she was pretty shy but her reserve quicky fell apart when I put her on her knees, ass displayed so that I could tickle her clit with my tongue while she tried hard not to chocke on my thing. Never too late to get an education, and all i can guess is that marriage life hadn't been very fulfilling to her. When we were through we were both sweating despite the airco going full blast, she got dressed, I walked her down to security and gave her $15 + 2, no problem, and off she went. No phone yet, but that's one number I'd be keen on seeing again.

Spent 5 days in PP and here is my report:

Hotel:

Booked Flamingos. Nice hotel and nice stuff. Placed just few meters from Walkabout, Pontoon and Heart of Darknes. Hotel 100% girlsfriendly.

Walkabout:

Overpriced drinks and food. Never saw there any realy attractive girl.

Pontoon:

Tried several times. On weekends the collect entrance fee (WTF!). Some nice faces there, but didn't pick anything.

Heart of Darknes:

Usualy picked some girl there. Had luck twice with one khmer and one viet girl. Nextdoor girl look. Petit slim body. Exelent service (BJ, multipositions, COB). ST 20$

Sakura hotel-massage:

It is actualy on the 242 st and not on 240. They have fish bowl to pick girl from. Massage 12$ (overpriced) and nothing to scream about. Got nice looking girl. Added 10$ for a nice HJ.

Beauty saloon on 278 st- next to Elswhere bar:

Tried there Bodyscrub for 20$. Very nice job. Chubby girl offered me a HJ for 20$. No bargering so I said no.

Gents. Some great reports of late which I will add to soon as I arrive in PP for around 10 days from Monday.

Sorry, this is a repeat question but it never got answered first time round: I appreciate things will be quite over Cambodian New Year but will this make things difficult as far as mongering goes?

In the past I've hunted around 136 & 104 strips (such as Candy Bar) , Walkabout and Martini's.

Any tips for getting action over the New Year period will be greatly appreciated. Cheers.

Folks from the provinces arrive into PP for the New Year. No problems.

[QUOTE=TrickyTrevor; 1141960]Gents. Some great reports of late which I will add to soon as I arrive in PP for around 10 days from Monday.

Sorry, this is a repeat question but it never got answered first time round: I appreciate things will be quite over Cambodian New Year but will this make things difficult as far as mongering goes?

In the past I've hunted around 136 & 104 strips (such as Candy Bar) , Walkabout and Martini's.

Any tips for getting action over the New Year period will be greatly appreciated. Cheers. [/QUOTE]

Succinct and accurate, nice job.

[QUOTE=Trimix; 1141673]Spent 5 days in PP and here is my report:

Hotel:

Booked Flamingos. Nice hotel and nice stuff. Placed just few meters from Walkabout, Pontoon and Heart of Darknes. Hotel 100% girlsfriendly.

Walkabout:

Overpriced drinks and food. Never saw there any realy attractive girl.

Pontoon:

Tried several times. On weekends the collect entrance fee (WTF!). Some nice faces there, but didn't pick anything.

Heart of Darknes:

Usualy picked some girl there. Had luck twice with one khmer and one viet girl. Nextdoor girl look. Petit slim body. Exelent service (BJ, multipositions, COB). ST 20$

Sakura hotel-massage:

It is actualy on the 242 st and not on 240. They have fish bowl to pick girl from. Massage 12$ (overpriced) and nothing to scream about. Got nice looking girl. Added 10$ for a nice HJ.

Beauty saloon on 278 st- next to Elswhere bar:

Tried there Bodyscrub for 20$. Very nice job. Chubby girl offered me a HJ for 20$. No bargering so I said no. [/QUOTE]

Hi!

What is the standard price for walkabout girls for short time?

I paid a girl 25 USD some time ago, next day I paid another girl 20USD, she said then, you paid 25 to my friend yesterday!

BL

Its ten dollar. Was and is now.

Anything you pay a girl will be told to any other hoar inside. Thats what you experienced. The more you overpay one of these bitches, the more you will be in; demand; and they will; like; you.

Business gets totally destroyed by; tourists; , example

Late last year afternoon sitting inside walkabout chatting to a hooker I know long time, suddenly another hooker walks up our table, gives two twenty euro notes to the girls who then hands them over to me and aks if this is genuine money, I tell her it is, after the girl who gave these notes left I asked the hooker I was talking with what that was all about, answer; she just did short time with.points her finger- that barang over there, ohhh, she says, he just stupid, not know price.

Over 50 dollars short time walkabout girl, you can believe that expats get problem getting it for ten when fools like this walk in?

No walkabout girl is worth more then ten bucks short time. Period. Use your commen sense and don't destroy the market.

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter;1142954]The more you overpay one of these bitches[/QUOTE]The tender way you refer to the local lasses (who provide us so much relief from the day's daily grind and pressures) will def. Make me think twice about throwing an extra $5 their way (not)

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1142954].

He just stupid, not know price.

Over 50 dollars short time walkabout girl.

No walkabout girl is worth more then ten bucks short time. Period.

[/QUOTE]Given the economic landscape nowadays, I believe the days of the stupid tourist will be fewer and farther between.

Spaceman

At no giving moment did I refer to; local lasses; was only referring to Walkabout girls, as asked by Buttlover.

A firm distinction should be made between them. The difference is just too big.

-Mealticket.

The tender way you refer to the local lasses (who provide us so much relief from the day's daily grind and pressures) Yeh, do aprreciate their services. That is, those of the; local lasses;

-

Given the economic landscape nowadays, I believe the days of the stupid tourist will be fewer and farther between.

Spaceman

-

I don't know about that, it seems that a lot of girls nowdays are.at least initially- refusing to go short time for ten bucks due to the huge overpaying of the short time visitors here. And then we only talk about Walkabout girls, let alone the hostess bar girls.

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter;1143110]I don't know about that, it seems that a lot of girls nowdays are.at least initially- refusing to go short time for ten bucks due to the huge overpaying of the short time visitors here. And then we only talk about Walkabout girls, let alone the hostess bar girls.[/QUOTE]In the freelancer bars, it's going to be difficult to get it for $10. $10 is possible if you try for the girls that are uglier, fatter, older and / or desperate.

It's true what the girls have been saying the past several years: "Prices have gone up; petro is expensive".

Girls around $10 are still available for Barangs in the shack brothels around Street 63 and at the riverside south of the Japanese bridge.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1143289]In the freelancer bars, it's going to be difficult to get it for $10. $10 is possible if you try for the girls that are uglier, fatter, older and / or desperate.

It's true what the girls have been saying the past several years: "Prices have gone up; petro is expensive".

Girls around $10 are still available for Barangs in the shack brothels around Street 63 and at the riverside south of the Japanese bridge. [/QUOTE]Actually you can get the girls near the Japenese bridge for $5 very easily, but most are not much in the looks department.

I visited the Walkabout for two weeks striaght, every day, every time of day and, in several instances, sat there for hours.

For 80% of the gals, the parade has past them by, however, if you are younger and good looking about 20% of the gals that rotate through are really decent looking.

Another observation, serious drug use there. On a number of occassions, one in particular that was observed by a Brit and I, you will see drugs passed back and forth. The one we saw was somewhat unusual, an older westerner was approached by a real hottie. He was reading a newspaper, having a coffee, and this hottie was badgering him. I thought she was just plying her trade. However, a few minutes later the guy pulls a small packet from his shirt pocket and discreetly passed it to the gal who palmed it, then put it in her back pocked and left.

Now if Joe tourist can observe something like this, you can imagaine what is going on. Could be a dangerous situation for someone passing through.

Amboblowshooter; 1143110]At no giving moment did I refer to; local lasses; was only referring to Walkabout girls, as asked by Buttlover.

A firm distinction should be made between them. The difference is just too big.

-Mealticket.

The tender way you refer to the local lasses (who provide us so much relief from the day's daily grind and pressures) Yeh, do aprreciate their services. That is, those of the; local lasses;

-

Given the economic landscape nowadays, I believe the days of the stupid tourist will be fewer and farther between.

Spaceman

-

I don't know about that, it seems that a lot of girls nowdays are. At least initially- refusing to go short time for ten bucks due to the huge overpaying of the short time visitors here. And then we only talk about Walkabout girls, let alone the hostess bar girls. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1142954]Its ten dollar. Was and is now.

Anything you pay a girl will be told to any other hoar inside. Thats what you experienced. The more you overpay one of these bitches, the more you will be in; demand; and they will; like; you.

Business gets totally destroyed by; tourists; , example

Late last year afternoon sitting inside walkabout chatting to a hooker I know long time, suddenly another hooker walks up our table, gives two twenty euro notes to the girls who then hands them over to me and aks if this is genuine money, I tell her it is, after the girl who gave these notes left I asked the hooker I was talking with what that was all about, answer; she just did short time with. Points her finger- that barang over there, ohhh, she says, he just stupid, not know price.

Over 50 dollars short time walkabout girl, you can believe that expats get problem getting it for ten when fools like this walk in?

No walkabout girl is worth more then ten bucks short time. Period. Use your commen sense and don't destroy the market.[/QUOTE]Till when we will read about wannabe-pro tourists who post here about 10$ as an impossible price or just for ugly girls, how you think someone will have an idea of the real price?

[QUOTE=Easton;1143342]Actually you can get the girls near the Japenese bridge for $5 very easily, but most are not much in the looks department.[/QUOTE]This is the price. ME, and any other [B] Real expat [/B] Pay 10$ a model-like young girl. 5$ a quickie with a mid range. 15$-20$ (rarely) for a pornstar uber hot girl (till when she will move with the fool old rich brit tourist).

50$? LOL, an orgy with your room full, maybe haha.

No wonder, I'm not posting anymore on this forum.

[QUOTE=Easton;1143342]Actually you can get the girls near the Japenese bridge for $5 very easily, but most are not much in the looks department.[/QUOTE]Last visit to PP, this was the going price I paid also and agree that for $5, they were not much to look at. Some never took off their clothes and never got to see their tits. They just pull down their panties, spread legs and you bang them.

But before anyone expects a whole community of brothels here, its just maybe 4 or 5 little houses at most with 2-3 gals in each place. The $5 price have to be negotiated before as it is not automatic.

PT

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1143789]This is the price. ME, and any other [B] Real expat [/B] Pay 10$ a model-like young girl. 5$ a quickie with a mid range. 15$-20$ (rarely) for a pornstar uber hot girl (till when she will move with the fool old rich brit tourist).

50$? LOL, an orgy with your room full, maybe haha.

No wonder, I'm not posting anymore on this forum. [/QUOTE]Thanks for posting the prices still available to us as I was afraid the end was near for a cheap f*k in Cambo.

Truthfully, I have not been back since the crackdown 3 years ago. Perhaps it is time to return to my beloved Cambo for a good time.

BTW: please don't stop posting as some of us still like to read all about what's new in Cambo.

PT

I recently visited Penh, Kampot and Kep. I had a great time. I only spent a few days in Penh and only hit a few nightspots, but as a sample comparison of Penh today vs. Penh pre crackdown, here is what I encountered at Rose Bar on 104 St. YMMV. For starters, I saw a lot more girls hanging out in the bar on this trip than I remember in 2009; nearly twice as many. I think the quality was a little less however. Some of the girls seemed older and more pro like with big gnarly tits. In 2009 I met a real pretty spinner at Rose Bar. Read my report filed back in early 2010. Her asking price was 'whatever you think is right. ' She shagged me 3 times on each occasion and never asked to leave while I was with her. I went out with her twice. I was crazy about her. She totally satisfied me and I gave her $20 plus a $5 tip. She was one of my top 5 girls of 2009.

This March I hooked up with another Rose Bar girl. Her name was Nun. She was the best looking girl in the bar IMHO, but not as pretty as my 2009 love. Her asking price was again 'whatever you think is right. ' I took her back to my hotel and she was good. We played soapy shower, she gave me 2 BBBJ's, and I shagged her twice. Afterwards we relaxed in bed together for a while and then sensing that I was done for the evening, she asked if it was ok if she left. I said Ok. As I started to give her $20; she asked for $25. I took note of her forwardness, but I gave the money to her anyway. I did not feel like spoiling the mood by quarreling over 5 bucks.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1143289]In the freelancer bars, it's going to be difficult to get it for $10. $10 is possible if you try for the girls that are uglier, fatter, older and / or desperate.[/QUOTE]It is difficult but not impossible to get a girl for $10 in the freelancer bars.

Since most of the girls in Walkabout are below average (skanks) , it's probably not difficult to get them for $10.

IMO it will be difficult to get it for $10 at Martinis (for at least 80% of the girls).

These are my thoughts: I don't like to negotiate; I like to say a number and go. I don't like haggling with a girl that is going to suck my penis. I like to give them a fair price.

At Martinis, since the girl (s) I get will be above average (in terms of the available girls at the bar) , they ask / I offer $20 for short time. Not sure if those type of girls can be had for $15.

There are still "cheap fucks" available in Cambodia. Just like tuk tuks, you can probably get the local price (or at least very close to it).

I like to pay tuk tuk drivers 6000 riel for short trips and $2 for medium / long trips (a little more than the local price; I don't like to walk to the next tuk tuk). Hint: To save time, just go up to the tuk tuk driver, say the destination and price, and start to slowly walk away as he tells you a higher price. He will say yes quickly (except when the tuk tuk is in front of a tuk tuk que or in a stand-alone 1 tuk tuk establishment).

(LOL! It's better not to post, than to post BS.)

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1144171]I did not feel like spoiling the mood by quarreling over 5 bucks.[/QUOTE]I realize that some guys are on limited budgets but I'll never understand why they get so passionate about trying squeeze down the price to the very last cent. Sure, some girls (including several at the Rose) ask for way too much, but when you find one who provides good service and wants a couple bucks more than the minimum, my feeling usually is smile and give it to her. This hobby of ours is supposed to be enjoyable, and it's clearly a lot more fun when you don't spend time and energy squabbling over the last few dollars.

And year in and year out, Rose remains about my favorite bar in PP. It just has a good feeling to it, and always at least a couple interesting girls.

[QUOTE=Betong; 1144571]I realize that some guys are on limited budgets but I'll never understand why they get so passionate about trying squeeze down the price to the very last cent. Sure, some girls (including several at the Rose) ask for way too much, but when you find one who provides good service and wants a couple bucks more than the minimum, my feeling usually is smile and give it to her. This hobby of ours is supposed to be enjoyable, and it's clearly a lot more fun when you don't spend time and energy squabbling over the last few dollars.

And year in and year out, Rose remains about my favorite bar in PP. It just has a good feeling to it, and always at least a couple interesting girls. [/QUOTE]I agree. By our standards $20-$30 isn't much. Hell its about $200 in Aus for ST. But at the same time its good not to try and push up "inflation" too much. Just my opinion. I notice thee Rose has rooms, has anyone stayed there before?

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1142954]Its ten dollar. Was and is now.

Anything you pay a girl will be told to any other hoar inside. Thats what you experienced. The more you overpay one of these bitches, the more you will be in; demand; and they will; like; you.

Business gets totally destroyed by; tourists; , example[/QUOTE]Camboblowshooter, you are full of it. I suggest you retreat to your cave before you completely burn out.

$10 can be had if.

- you are known to the girl.

- she's a dog.

- you're as desperate as the dog and are willing to take any hole to shoot your load

- you don't give a shit about performance and care even less about repeat business.

So while you may be right technically with the worst looking skanks, you won't be able to have your pick of the litter for those rates. I'd rather pay $15 (except if the performance was really dismal, which is rare, in which case she'd be out our her ass with a buck for her time) , as for $15 can easily get a girl who knows she's going to be treated fairly and in exchange will be more than happy to put up a decent performance, won't tell all her friends that I'm a bastard cheap charlie to avoid if you can, etc.

Unlike you, I do believe in some sort of goodwill and tend to treat the girls hard but fairly, instead of eyeing them all like pieces of meat. They can feel it and it smoothes out the financial side.

That has nothing to do with feeding tourist inflation but just making long term basic commercial sense. If you try to gauge your suppliers repeatedly, your options will dwindle fast. Isw it worth the 5 buck you think you saved? Nope.

This said, if suckers are ready to pay 40-50€ for a WA girl (if you're a fat, ugly, old and obese newbee I'd think you would deserve paying even more) I say good for her and whenever I hear that from a girl I'm laughing along with her. But I do not believe for a minute it's going to change their basic expectations. They can tell apart tourists from guys who know the score.

If you want more info on Cambo in general feel free to PM. If you fit the profile I'll give you access to a confidential board with more accurate info.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1144740]Are there any busty Khmer girls? I don't care if I pay extra as long as they are cute and not fat. Any info appreciated.[/QUOTE]There are some girls who are busty. I had couple of girls with big ones. But the problem was when the bra came off they sagged big time. They were only 21 and 22 years old but with babies.

I agree with the majority on this.

Look, I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everybody in entitled to their own preferences, but I just wish that all you guys that say you can get laid in Penh for $10 or less; show us some pictures of the girls you are shagging and the places you are shagging them in. That's all. A picture is worth a thousand posts.

I think the local pussy market is pretty efficient. That means that in general the better quality girls in the better venues go for more money than the less pretty ones in more questionable locales. There are always exceptions or outliers, but this is pretty much the way things are. If you have established a good relationship with a girl and she likes you, she may ask less from you or may even give it away. On the other end of the spectrum, there are always some guys that will pay 2x or 3x the going rate. But, nobody is spoiling the market. We are all price takers not market makers.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1144740]Are there any busty Khmer girls? I don't care if I pay extra as long as they are cute and not fat. Any info appreciated.[/QUOTE]I love you D Cups. You have got a thing for big tits and won't let anything get in the way of your target of desire. Stay thirsty my friend. Unfortunately, 99. 9999% of Khmer girls have small breasts. However, you will find girls with enhanced bosoms in Penh. They are not hard to find. I saw a couple attractive "big" girls in Rose Bar when I was there in March. The only thing (and I am sure you are aware of this) is; you have to be wary of the push up, padded bra. I have seen girls lose 2 sizes when they undress. It is amazing.

Funny thing, your quest for large boobs reminded me of a Vietnamese girl I had in Macau at Familia Nobre Sauna. She was stacked. Normally I prefer 'A' and 'B' cup natural round mounds, but this girl was giving me such sexy, dirty looks while I was reviewing the sauna lineup, plus the fact that she was very pretty and had an otherwise outstanding body; that I decided to step outside of my preference box and I chose her. I think she was the first double 'D' girl I had in the last 10 years. It turned out to be a good choice, not because of her enormous chest, but because she was sex crazy and gave me an amazing PSE. I think you can appreciate what it felt like to get a full body massage from such a large girl rubbing her huge boobs all over my ass and my dick and balls. I will post more on her in the appropriate thread. Go to Macau if you like the big ones.

Logos,

Why do you believe I am not a member of; your; G. G. C?

I was merely reporting what my own experience is in the freelancer places concerning prices, I never said me myself pay ten bucks. Did I? Logos?

What I pay my darlings here is up to my own discression, but I can tell you I never have to call them twice, in the first place this is because I always, always treat them very nicely, secondly the money.

I don't like the walkabout girls, let alone those near the Japanese bridge. I want quality, not in looks, but in caractere and performance, and thats what I am getting from my local lasses here.

It took me years to reach this point. Years to get the lot shifted out, those who are on dope, dope in their pockets, not performing up to standard ect. It are those you can get for ten bucks anytime you like and the Walkabout is the perfect place to find them.

It was so easy over here, was it not, the glorieus glorieus times of Sophei Club. This month three years closed. I cry.

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the young ladies that wait around what Phnom and the parks near the American Embassy. I have met the most exquisite young women there and the rate is generally $10 with some asking for $15. The downside is that they generally don't speak English (some might think this is a plus) though if they're there that is what they are there for. If communication is a problem there is generally some young fellows hovering nearby to translate. I visit Phnom Penh frequently and always stay at Casa Hotel nearby with never a problem taking my guests back. Truly one of life's pleasures.

So I got in from Germany at about 10 am on Monday. Headed straight for Candy Bar knowing it'd be open, I could book room, beginthe business immediately. Started off with a half Viet 19 year old who was average on all accounts and didn't want any pussy action. Messin around and she blew me a couple of times. Sent her on her way with $20. Slept for a few hours. Back down in the bar in the evening chatting to some tasty bird when aforementioned half Viet came in and began harranging me that I was with her etc. Took me a good 20 minutes to fuck her off. Then had to decline the attention of ladyboy who also got shitty and ended up with average mid-20s who gave reasonalbe performance, including repeat in the morning.

Checked out next morning and checked in for a couple of nights at the Castle. Has pool, well situated to 136, comfortable if lacking some atmosphere. Can highly recommend massage place directy opposite Castle (next to DV8 Bar) , nice massage from slightly chubby mid 20s but she was cute with nice, quite big titties. One hour oil massage. Touched the old fellow, and ball bag a bit while I was on my stomach, more touching when I turned over, she put a towel over my todge and still wearing her trackies ground her twat into me whilst letting me grope her titties unitl I came. $10 was added to the price of the $8 massage.

I; the also recommend a recommendation I think I took from this board: the oil massage at the upmarket hair / massage saloon on the riverfront, very near 108 St. Didn't show me any tit, but furiously wanked me off before ending with nice head massage.

Went to Walkabout and my humble opinion is mixed bag (with a fare few bags). Picked up a 43 year old half Viet. Quite nice looking but a bit of a middle-aged spread but I liked her attitude. Ending up doing her for two nights. She was a great laugh and could of handled seeing her more but variety beckons. Trouble is she's always, apparently, at Walkabout so will have to look elsewhere tonight. Her age and sagginess were offset by her performance which was superb. She certainly had a big appetite for cock in two of her oraphaces (I don't do arse).

Today its quite because start of three days holiday for New Year. For change of scene I've booked into City Centre on 130 Steet (and am using free internet in room. Nice touch). The guy's informed me he can arrange a massage for me for $10 an hour. Sounds convienient. I wonder how much extras will be. One way to find out.

[QUOTE=Jsayla;1144822]I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the young ladies that wait around what Phnom and the parks near the American Embassy. I have met the most exquisite young women there and the rate is generally $10 with some asking for $15. .[/QUOTE]No, I along with maybe a few have mentioned this area before, and it is spelled Wat=meaning temple.

But that was some time ago so may need to look back almost 2 years. The main reason most of us avoid this place at night is that this is not the greatest area to be after sundown. Best to either visit with a few other mongers or take a reliable driver with you. Walking alone here at night is not on my recommended list of things to do. The going rate here 2 years ago (last time I visited) was $5-10 ST, the price depended on your negotiating skills and of course her looks and attitude.

Please note never to negotiate in $5 intervals. Because she declines $5, don't automatically settle for $10. I've often gotten some ok cuties for $6-7 after her saying no to $5.

Oh, since someone mentioned Sophies, I am one who missed that place. The ladies were never stunners there but it was the best suck for the buck. If anyone can point me now to an equivalent place where I can still get sucked off by 5-6 ladies at the same time and it only cost me $1 tip to each of them. Ah, heaven.

Shark

[QUOTE=Sharka; 1145184]No, I along with maybe a few have mentioned this area before, and it is spelled what=meaning temple.

But that was some time ago so may need to look back almost 2 years. The main reason most of us avoid this place at night is that this is not the greatest area to be after sundown. Best to either visit with a few other mongers or take a reliable driver with you. Walking alone here at night is not on my recommended list of things to do. The going rate here 2 years ago (last time I visited) was $5-10 ST, the price depended on your negotiating skills and of course her looks and attitude.

Please note never to negotiate in $5 intervals. Because she declines $5, don't automatically settle for $10. I've often gotten some ok cuties for $6-7 after her saying no to $5.

Oh, since someone mentioned Sophies, I am one who missed that place. The ladies were never stunners there but it was the best suck for the buck. If anyone can point me now to an equivalent place where I can still get sucked off by 5-6 ladies at the same time and it only cost me $1 tip to each of them. Ah, heaven.

Shark[/QUOTE]Damn straight! Had 2 before but never 5 or 6. Thats some awesome porn action right there hahaha

[quote=phantomtiger2; 1144141]thanks for posting the prices still available to us as i was afraid the end was near for a cheap f*k in cambo.

truthfully, i have not been back since the crackdown 3 years ago. perhaps it is time to return to my beloved cambo for a good time.

btw: please don't stop posting as some of us still like to read all about what's new in cambo.

pt[/quote]i know my friend. you have no idea how many pm and emails i received, about my posts of vietnam and cambodia, with people happy to read what is going on in cambodia and vietnam, finally without fake infos.

but well, till when this forum will gain some rules, and staff will put an end on "imo" wannabe-pro tourists to harrass senior member's, the only [b] real expats [/b] who know what is going on, it's a waste of time, hehe. but despite on his hope to hide the truth, i will write my last pearl:

some people was wondering what i was talking about, with this spy stuff. well, was winter 2010, right near to the recent crackdown. i received an (informal) invite from a cambodian high officer, to fuck up the life of some random barangs, giving them address of places where (previously) was put inside a couple of kids (not visible) then, when this poor barang go inside, raid the place and put him on jail and newspaper as ****, showing how good is working the cambodian police. price of service? 100$ every innocent guy fucked up. free to choose anyone, any age. my answer was "well, if you seriously think i will ruin the life of a normal man who just want some sex with girls, legal age, you're quite confused" "we pay you" "i don't care. fuck up a **** is fine, not a honest innocent man. who you think i am, crazy?" no, you are not alone. there is a big group, follow me" i saw around 20 foreigners chit-chatting on sofas. he told me they was all involved on the "crackdown 2011 operation". i saw some of them, recently, hanging around "famous places" well mentioned on this board.

as you see, smart expats move out, from this shit hole country. others remained, who don't need any info and find by himself some legal fun, doesn't need any tip. but well, free to ignore what i wrote. don't worry, tourists are very welcome, in cambodia! (now, take a look on our well know troll, you will see he will write something, pretending to say my post is a fake, and noone do this stuff, hehe)

[quote=sharka; 1145184]no, i along with maybe a few have mentioned this area before, and it is spelled what=meaning temple.

but that was some time ago so may need to look back almost 2 years. the main reason most of us avoid this place at night is that this is not the greatest area to be after sundown. best to either visit with a few other mongers or take a reliable driver with you. walking alone here at night is not on my recommended list of things to do. the going rate here 2 years ago (last time i visited) was $5-10 st, the price depended on your negotiating skills and of course her looks and attitude.

please note never to negotiate in $5 intervals. because she declines $5, don't automatically settle for $10. i've often gotten some ok cuties for $6-7 after her saying no to $5.

oh, since someone mentioned sophies, i am one who missed that place. the ladies were never stunners there but it was the best suck for the buck. if anyone can point me now to an equivalent place where i can still get sucked off by 5-6 ladies at the same time and it only cost me $1 tip to each of them. ah, heaven.

shark[/quote]true haha. so fun, i still remember few years ago. 2008. i was walking there, was midnight (perfect time for troubles) just walking straigh from my gh directed to the riverside, walking exactly in the middle of what phnom (note: this forum correct my spelling, changing what (temple) adding and h) , but luckly near the american embassy. i felt immediately some danger, so i start to walk like a marine officer (not a hard task for me, hehe) , so serious angry face, looking straight, walking like on a military parade. 5 ladyboy walk near me, asking if i was interested on some bum bum (some of them was more tall than me, a couple with criminal face) , but looking my face, they stop to smile, one of them told "stop to talk with him, he's an american soldier" (i'm not, i was going to laugh, but kept the same face). after, i saw 3 more criminals, they ignored me walking away. sadly (or funnily) i saw 2 damned hot 19y girls, talking. i smiled them, but again "wow, beautiful man." "stay far, he's an american officer. embassy" so i lost my hope to talk with them. walking near them, they escaped inside a house. i was thinking "noooo, damn!" and i start to walk again as an officer, till when near the riverside, where finally i start to walk relaxed again. luckly, i was near the bar i was looking for, but closed (damn) so i took a motorbyke (better not try the luck again as a marine, haha) and went quickly to darkness, where i met a high performance 3 holer 19y kitty (obiouvsly, beautiful like a photomodel, typical girl you was going to meet in darkness). i paid just 5 $ for lt. ehhh, damn, good old days, when 5$ was more than enough, for lt. she tried to ask 10, no way haha. i met her just recently. 2 months ago. some people told me she was under heavy drug, recently. well, she didn't recognize me at all. and, impressive, her english is nearly perfect. and bi.

cheers!

marrow

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07;1145314]Damn straight! Had 2 before but never 5 or 6. Thats some awesome porn action right there hahaha[/QUOTE]Well, just go to any chicken farm, with 50$ (or 25$ if you are able to bargain with them) , and ask 5 girls. Up to you, if fuck all of them (chicken farm room are usually small, not a good idea haha) or just make them sit on your feet around your cock, and make you cum! Obiouvsly, you can try just viet brothel. And you need to be lucky enough to find 5 BJ girls inside. Just a matter of money, bro, and luck. Are you surprised? Indeed, the 1$ tip is a beautiful memory of a Phnom penh club, sadly this place doesn't exists anymore.

Marrow.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1144757]Unfortunately, 99. 9999% of Khmer girls have small breasts.[/QUOTE]Aw, it's not that bad. I still remember the first girl I met who made me realize that those temple carvings at Angkor aren't just some male fantasy. Built as solid as a brick shithouse with fantastic self-supporting boobs. D cups might be rare, but there are plenty of C's.

Again, questions are asked here on the board concerning this area, and that there is; no reporting; about it. This is just not true. A lot has been reported on it.

Let me tell you one more time; MINORS. M I N O R S are in that area. A lot. And COPPERS. So up to you. But you will get caught. Quite a number have. And are still jailed.

Anyway, on the Madagaskar forum just read this, and like to share it with you as it is true for Cambodia as well.

Inovaovao.

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Mongers inflation.

Hallo everybody. I am new here. Actually it's my first post on this page, not only on this thread.

I've been visiting Mada twice, in 2008 and 2010, both times for 3 month. Believe me, I liked the lemurs, but the native inhabitants without any tail I liked the most. In 2008 I went east (Tamatave, St. Marie) , northwest (Nosy Be, Mahajunga) , middle (Antsirabe, Fianarantsoa) , and southwest (Belo-sur-Tsirbihina, Morondava, Tulear). Last year I went only north (Diego, Ramena, Ambilobe, Nosy Be (basically Hellville) , and Mahajunga). And of course always some time in Tana. I am a 'Glacier'-edict!

2008 I took that combi-flight St. Marie-Tana / Tana-Nosy Be (you manage two flight in one day, you pay only the more costly one. But there are not many possible combinations!) , and later I bought another flight from Morondava to Tulear. Each time it cost about 120€ (hey you guys in the US, you better get used to prices in €uro. So not really cheap, but good carriers they are. Don't worry about non existing security measurements at the small airports. Nobody ever tried to bomb AirMada. That year I actually visited 3 National Parks. 2 years later I couldn'd care less, all I saw were boobs and bumps, and that lovely color of them.

By reading through the last 20-30 pages of this thread I came along prices that made my hair stand up. Are you guys nuts? Yes, the first month in 2008 when I was staying in Tana (Anjary) , and was totally new to that business (and I mean totally new!) , picking my girls from 'Le Glacier' (or sometimes rather being picked, green as I was) , I payed once or twice 50. 000Ar for a night with unlimited shots (exept my personel limit). But than I learned, and in Belo I even managed 10. 000Ar (4€) , but not for a nighter. Of course very often you have additional costs, like drinks, cigarettes (for her and all her friends) , taxi in the morning, some late night snack p. P, but I always tried to keep this reasonable. I don't mind at all to treat and pay the girls correct, but I hate.

HENRIETTE. Jpg.

To be scamed and fooled. I am an European living in India, so all the f. And' time I am a (rich) 'Whitie' who is just waiting to be milked. You understand what I mean?

The average monthly salary for a restaurant waiter, a salesperson, a maid, . In Madagascar is less than 20€. So, if you pay that same amount for a quickie of 30 minutes, what do you expect them to think. You think the (very) young chicks of +6/10 will bother to find a mean job? You bet they won't.

So, guys, please come and visit Madagascar and the beautiful and willing Madagirls, they are desperately waiting for you, but PLEASE don't spoil the prices. Whenever you visit or live abroad, in a less developed country, you have to adjust all your payements (be it salaries of your maid, gardener or driver, be it tips in the restaurant, or be it hooker-money) you have an responsebility towards the local market. If you overpay you bring a delicate, economic system out of balance. I mean it!

We will always be the 'Richies' merely by having the money for a ticket and for the Hotels, and by having the luxury of 'going holiday'. I think it finally expresses more respect towards these underprivileged people if we haggle over the price asked, particularly for 'special services'.

[QUOTE=Betong;1145345]Aw, it's not that bad. I still remember the first girl I met who made me realize that those temple carvings at Angkor aren't just some male fantasy. Built as solid as a brick shithouse with fantastic self-supporting boobs. D cups might be rare, but there are plenty of C's.[/QUOTE]You are right Betong, I exaggerated. But still, while there are pretty Apsara type girls walking about, you have to be wary of saggy milk fed tities and the padded / push up bra types when hunting for C's in Cambodia. I generally prefer the pretty, young (18-22 year old) , spinner types with natural A & B round mounds. Delicious!

I was at the walkabou today and my mate told me that what phnom girls are avialable in the mornings for five dollars or less.

I will have a look in the morning and report back.

[quote=greenbud;1145559]too bad the staff erased most of your posts; people would have realized your "creative writings" were bs. it seems you're another "senior member" that gives no details.[/quote]agreed. his post was bs. i am new to this forum. but i have been in pp long enough to know to know that there is no 'conspiracy'. there are no 'stings'.99% of ****s are arrested after a tip off from the aple ngo. now, as much as i dislike ngos, you have to give aple their due: they only go after people who they know are ****s. as much as they may hate regular mongers, they will leave them alone.

re: what phnom. as people have said, a good place to pick girls fairly cheap, but it is a fairly dodgy place at night. honestly, stick to the regular bars.

re: expat and prices. because i have been here for a while, i do get good rates. there are two reasons: first when girls have seen your face a few times, and they know you will never agree to 30 bucks st, they don't even try and will start with decent rates. more importantly, not being a tourist brings the prices down: once a girl knows you live and work here in a nice apartment by the riverside, they no longer see you as a punter, they see you as a potential bf to leech off. thus the discounted rates.

now, i could be wrong, but some people give off the vibe that there are certain 'secret handshakes' amongst long term expats that give access to secret places of untold pleasures. honestly, that doesn't ring true to me. there are a few places i go to which are a little off the beaten track and that aren't mentioned in here. but it's not like they are those amazing places. they are just a little less crowded with tourists and nigerians. they offer pretty much the same services that you'd find in the usual spots. most of the long term expats i know still haunt hod, candy, sharkeys and the likes.

some thoughts on the last few days: boy, it has been quiet. i was at bunny's on tuesday, there were no customers and only a few girls. went back on thursday and the place was closed. oscar's pub was pretty quiet too. customers were greatly outnumbering girls, which is never a good sign. meeting house was also closed. dream bar seemed busy but i didn't go in. thank god today is the last day if the new year.

There is no conspiracy and most expats go to the same old bars.

I have taken up khmer studies again and when I am more fluent I want to start going to KTVs and suchlike.

I have a mate who speaks like a native and his reports on khmer venues are very encouraging.

Ther bar girls are really all alike and it is hard to find something diferent.

Having said that I met a girl the other night who is the daughter of a retired doctor, she is 29 and very stylish-unusual amongst the rice farmer bar girls.

She is certainly an experienced hard core working girl though keeping mama and papa in the manner to which they have become acccustomed.

The last time I was PP was back in 2008. Sophie's had just closed and there were girls readily available in most of the bars. I have RTFF but I still have a few questions because I'm getting differing reports.

Are the Viet brothels of St 63 still closed? Or are cheap $5-$10 fucks still available?

There was a girl working at Rose bar (she was one of the bartenders) with great big titties (I forget her name). Is she still there?

Lastly, has anyone seen or fucked the girl named "Janto" recently? She's Viet-Chinese and was usually seen in either Walkabout or Sharky's. Here's a pic:

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1145965]Are the Viet brothels of St 63 still closed? Or are cheap $5-$10 fucks still available?[/QUOTE]Yes to the first question.

Yes and no to the second. For 5 bucks, you might get something near the Japanese bridge, but you'll get what you bargained for, that is to say not much. For ten bucks, you'll have better luck but you'll need some good negotiating skills and preferably not be too picky. As someone mentioned earlier, it's worth paying the extra five bucks to get something with a better chance of being decent.

Well know place (check out my recent prior posts) , ask any moto / tuk tuk, if they do not know it they are either new or lying.

Lots of other bars in that area of town.

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1146012]"There was a girl working at Rose bar (she was one of the bartenders) with great big titties (I forget her name). Is she still there?"

Yes, I am interested, too. Is Rose bar easy to find?

Also, should I take a girl from PP to Siem Reap or find one there? Thanks, guys.

I will be there later this year.

Happy mongering, guys! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KhmerBlue;1146036]Yes to the first question.[/QUOTE]Did they close St 63? Was it recent?

It was closed in early 2010 (not sure how long the crackdown lasted; the government wanted to close the "obvious brothels").

It was open in winter 2010.

Gentlemen,

If I may interrupt the pissing contest and ask a question. I have read the forum- thanks for all of you have your provided good info. I am wondering if someone can recommend a hotel / guest house that would serve two purposes (if it exists). One, to be able to use as a place to host my lovely companions that I meet at the various bars and clubs of the dark side. (in other words, monger friendly). However, I will be there on work, so need to be in a place that would not be identified as a mongering hotel, and would not easily come up that way on the web. I know this may be a tall order, but I wanted to try. 40 or 50 bucks would be about what I would like to spend.

My other option, of course, would be to stay in a "normal" guest house, and then rent a room in the Walkabout for 12 bucks a night. I would prefer not to have the hassle of two places.

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1146941]Gentlemen,

If I may interrupt the pissing contest.[/QUOTE]I fully support this motion. As to your question: I suggest going to the Cozyna hotel on the riverside, right next to the fancy but definitely not girl friendly Bougainvilliers. Most expensive room is 33$ I believe. It's not a luxury place like the Raffles, but it's nice enough. More importantly, I know that as recently as Friday, you could rent a fully furnished flat within the hotel for 510$ a month, everything included. This used to be the owner's place but he has moved out. If you are there for a month, then I think it'd be worth it, as usually renting a place short term can cost upwards of a grand. Good luck!

I like the amari watergate, $30 or less for a front room.

Large, new and with a balcony.

A little bit noisy because it is opposite the bars on 136 but very handy.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1146859]Come on guys, no more cockfighting. What is this shit. Can't we stay on topic and talk about pussy and good advice about where the best places are to find it, realistic prices offered, and factual trip reports? Might I suggest other interesting topics like best GF hotels, great places to eat, and girls? Oh yeah, more pictures would be good too.

Yours truly,

Albert Schweitzer[/QUOTE]Agree, next trip I will post news and if possible a couple pictures of new cute girls I will find.

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1146941]Gentlemen,

If I may interrupt the pissing contest and ask a question. I have read the forum- thanks for all of you have your provided good info. I am wondering if someone can recommend a hotel / guest house that would serve two purposes (if it exists). One, to be able to use as a place to host my lovely companions that I meet at the various bars and clubs of the dark side. (in other words, monger friendly). However, I will be there on work, so need to be in a place that would not be identified as a mongering hotel, and would not easily come up that way on the web. I know this may be a tall order, but I wanted to try. 40 or 50 bucks would be about what I would like to spend.

My other option, of course, would be to stay in a "normal" guest house, and then rent a room in the Walkabout for 12 bucks a night. I would prefer not to have the hassle of two places.

Thanks in advance for the feedback.[/QUOTE]Depends. A high class place would be surely Phnom Pehn Hotel, near Calmette hospital. But not so much gf friendly to be honest. Naga is the top end for a real high class room. Gf friendly? Formally no. But if you have enough money for a week in Naga, you will find surely easily who need to be paid, for an amazing hottie sent to your room. Real classy customers, can ask everything. Obiouvsly, you cannot go to walkabout and bring a cheap charlie girl to naga. Exception is if you take a really beautiful girl, with classy clothes. Easy to find in Hearth of darkness, sometimes (rarely) Martini, often on Pontoon, new disco near Walkabout. Be sure she walk elegant, not looking around every cock around her like an idiot. Last time I found a classy kitty on HoD, she went with me to the Naga casino, and room, without problem, no I'd card needed (luckly I know her family too, I can kick her ass quickly if she do something wrong to me or the room). Normally, a high class place is not so much gf-friendly. At all. Mid low class instead, can provide a girl for you. Some users post about Rose Bar. Upstairs they have cute rooms, very. Price not extreme, around what you want to find and spend, girl included. Take a look there, most users wrote enthusiastic reports. Downstairs, quality is sometimes good, sometimes high, sometimes shitty. I still remember a real hottie working there. A tiny kitty with superb eyes, long black hair. I don't know if she work there, surely married if no more available haha. Take a look, maybe worth.

Cheers!

Marrow

[QUOTE=KhmerBlue;1146988]As to your question: I suggest going to the Cozyna hotel on the riverside[/QUOTE]This is good advice. I've stayed at Cozyna a few times and was always happy with it. AFAIK it's not usually thought of as being a mongering hotel. One working girl told me that back in around 2008 they actually weren't girl friendly at all.

[QUOTE=KhmerBlue;1146988]I fully support this motion. As to your question: I suggest going to the Cozyna hotel on the riverside, right next to the fancy but definitely not girl friendly Bougainvilliers. Most expensive room is 33$ I believe. It's not a luxury place like the Raffles, but it's nice enough. More importantly, I know that as recently as Friday, you could rent a fully furnished flat within the hotel for 510$ a month, everything included. This used to be the owner's place but he has moved out. If you are there for a month, then I think it'd be worth it, as usually renting a place short term can cost upwards of a grand. Good luck![/QUOTE]There are apartments available of all sizes and prices. Anyway, I want to detail the apartment I am renting now.

Boeng Keng Kang 3, just 2 streets away from Toul Sleng the infamous school used as a torture chamber during the Pol Pot era. The 4 storey building is on a quiet street closer to St 163.

The owner has cleverly designed the building with the stairs going up to each individual floor so, I suppose, he can rent out the apartments on each floor individually.

Well, mine is on the 3rd floor. 4 x 18m (the 2 m used for the stairwell).

2 bedrooms (furnished with queen-sized beds, linens, wardrobe) with A / C, one with attached bathroom; the other bathroom is just next to the smallish kitchen, which is equipped with a twin gas stove, sink, washing machine and a medium sized fridge.

The 4x4m living room comes with those cushionless 3x2 sofa and seats, coffee table, a round dining table and 2 plastic chairs, an old JVC CRT color TV.

The rent is $250 plus $5 for cable, $5 for water. The landlord checks the meter for electricity usage to tabulate the total cost. Electricity is charges at $0. 25 for every kW which translates to about $50+ every month, with A / C on every night unless we are away.

On the top floor, lives a couple who keeps mostly to themselves; 1 floor below us a Canadian (I think) lives with his Cambodian girlfriend (or wife) with her 2 kids. On the groundfloor a Cambodian family. All nice people and quiet.

As an comparison, a friend of mine lives in a 1 bedroom service apartment near the Golden Tower, $300 for everything including internet and security for carpark.

A girlfriend lives in a $70 / month 1 room apartment with her sisters on the 5th floor with dirty stairs and corridors.

There are condos at $700 / month. And so on.

So, at $510 / month the apartment should be pretty 'deluxe'.

[quote=bartchamdo;1147160]this is good advice. i've stayed at cozyna a few times and was always happy with it. afaik it's not usually thought of as being a mongering hotel. one working girl told me that back in around 2008 they actually weren't girl friendly at all.[/quote]true. nice place, and foreigner rip off rental price. not the best choice for daily mongering. i still miss my awesome 2 floor apartment. 100$/month. 10 meters from central market. cambodian owner, adorable cambodian neighbourhood. and barang with good khmer language (me lol). this is the real price for a huge apartment. but well, some foreigners seems cannot survive without wifi and hdtv. lol. quite fun rent a tech apartment for 500$+deposit, same kind of room in hochiminh, dist. 1,200$ no deposit lol. oh i forgot, no hdtv inside cozina haha. wifi not sure. maybe. cambodian speed (5 kb / s) surely. any update different from what i remember?

marrow

[quote=faidenk; 1147178]there are apartments available of all sizes and prices.

so, at $510 / month the apartment should be pretty 'deluxe'.[/quote]we agree on that marrow. but i am assuming that the poster is looking for something short term. finding a 200$/300$ place to rent is easy if you plan to stay long term, but unless i am wrong (and i am happy to stand corrected) , it is harder to find if you just plan to stay for the short term.

i thought this might be interesting to the poster because it fits his criteria: monger friendly but not overtly so, and very conveniently located (very close to 136, 104, within walking distance to sharkeys, and 51 is not that far off). the cozyna definitely has wi-fi, but as to the speed and the quality of the flat, i cannot say since i haven't experienced either. but i felt it was worth looking into from the point of view of op.

Thanks for the info, I am most thankful. It looks like Cozyna is a good option. For a variety of reasons, I need a hotel, not an apartment. I will be visiting in a couple of months- new to mongering in Asia, but have been to many Latin American countries over a very long period of time. Will most likely have a few more question down the road- for now reading the forum and trying to gather as much intel as I can on my own (before asking ton of foolish questions).

[QUOTE=Psychman;1147494]It looks like Cozyna is a good option.[/QUOTE]Stayed there a couple of times. Nice enough place (and good location on the river.) I would use again.

By European standards I would say it is only around a 2/3 star!

It is certainly, in my experience, Monger friendly.

No restaurant but plenty of decent places to eat within a few steps walk.

In short. Value for money but not the best hotel in P. P.

Enjoy your trip.

Hotman.

Note to the Mod: apologies if you receive this same report three times in a row. Internet is playing up and I wasnt sure if it went through.

Last night wasn't great but this forum could use more reports so here goes. Started the night at 11:30pm. Went to this bar next to 51st. I can never remember the name. It's not Zanzibar (this one is on 104) but starts with a Z and sounds like it. I don't often go there but it's usually pretty empty of other customers which is something I prefer.

I enter and lo and behold there is just another guy. Looked like a customer but might have been the owner since no girls were with him. There was about a dozen of girls. I sat down at the bar and ordered a drink. Two girls quickly sit next to me.

Number 1 is 25 though seems to look younger (but I'll come back to that later). Number 2 is 24 and looks cuter. Number 1 is very straight forward which I like. She goes straight to massaging my cock and informs me that, and I quote her, 'I do everything'. She then starts to tell me that she is very good at yum yum 'I spit and everything'. I'm thinking a BJ sounds nice. I could then go to another bar for ST. I ask her how much for yum yum to which she replies '20 dollars'. I give her a WTF look (no BJ is worth that ). I move on to number 2. She asks if I want a massage. I tell her the truth: 'maybe'. Her English is fairly good. I don't need to repeat every five times. Number 1 comes back and starts kissing me and ask me if I want to go with her. Out of curiosity, I ask her how much for boom boom. 'Same' she says. Ah, that makes more sense. The 20 bucks were for BJ and fucking. It's still too much though, which I tell her. She brings it down to 15$. I know I could bring her down to 10, but as I mentioned in an earlier post. 5$ is chump change and I'd rather spend my precious time fucking rather that bargaining.

I inform number 2 that I am going. She seems upset. I'm starting to get second thoughts. She offers a threesome ('you want two girls? '). This is the second time in two weeks that a girl spontaneously offers me a threesome. I ponder the possibility but eventually give it a pass. Everyone should have at least one threesome in their lives. But I've had mine, and I prefer one on one.

We arrive. I look at number 1 and wonders if this is the same girl I talked to in the bar. She looks much older under the harsh lights of the room. Her face is pretty worn and way too heavily made up. She undresses with her back turned towards me. First thing I notice is a very cute butt. Perky as it should be. She turns around and I take a good look. She's one of the flatest girl I've ever seen. Seriously. I have more boobs than her. She's a 30AA at best. I'm easy when it comes to boobs. I like all sizes and shapes so I don't mind. She also has the pointiest nipples I have seen in a while. Those things could have cut ice. I am disappointed to see that she isn't smooth or even trimmed. Seriously Khmer ladies. Get with the times.

We go in the shower. She washes my cock but is a bit too aggressive. I lay down on the bed, waiting to see if she sucks as well as she said she would. She asks 'condom for yum yum? '. I decline. She then adds 'but condom for boom boom, yes? ' to which I obviously agree (but I wonder what she would have said if I said no. The way she phrased it seemed to indicate she was open to negotiations on that topic).

She starts sucking me. She is actually pretty good. Not amazing but she definitely has skills. She goes in deep, makes some good sounds. After a while she asks me if I want boom boom. She puts on the condom and gets on top of me. She's pretty tight and feels good. We go at it for a while and either she's really into it or she's good at pretending (probably the later but it makes no difference to me). I slow down a little and she asks me if I came. I'm a bit put off by that. We just barely started. I know this is ST but come on. I go on top of her. She's very petite and it feels pretty good. I pound her and she responds well. She asks for doggy style. We go at it. I notice some scars in her arms. Possibly needle marks. I'm glad I'm wearing a condom. I take a look at her asshole and play with it some which she doesn't seem to mind. It starts to get pretty intense and I'm fucking her pretty hard. I know I'm going to come soon and I tell her so. Weirdly enough she goes 'oh no! ' followed immediately by 'yes, yes' (make up your mind, lady'). I empty my load and we lay down on the bed.

She takes off the condom and goes into the bathroom. She then starts to make a series of retching sounds (WTF). This goes on for a few minutes. Then she comes back. I ask her if she's ok. She says she is. I'm wondering if I should go for round 2, but the worn face and bushy ****. It's just as well, since she starts putting her clothes back on. After the usual questions ('how long you stay in Cambodia? Why no have Cambodian lady') which I just shrugs off, I give her 15$ plus 1$ for the tuk tuk and send her on her way. Not a bad night, but should definitely have gone for number 2.

Some grades:

Face: C.

Body: B- (would have been a B if she had shaved or at least trimmed her kitty)

Technique: B. Good BBBJ, different positions, into it or at least good actress.

Overall: C (would have been a C+ maybe B- if she hadn't seemed so eager to finish quickly)

All in all, an average night with an average girl. Here's to the next one!

I'm tired of all this bickering. Let's post some pics. Here's a couple of girls I took from walkabout recently.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]149852[/ATTACH]

This girl was introduced by a mutual 'friend'. So not sure where you might find her. Probably the usual haunts.

[quote=khmerblue; 1147237]we agree on that marrow. but i am assuming that the poster is looking for something short term. finding a 200$/300$ place to rent is easy if you plan to stay long term, but unless i am wrong (and i am happy to stand corrected) , it is harder to find if you just plan to stay for the short term.

i thought this might be interesting to the poster because it fits his criteria: monger friendly but not overtly so, and very conveniently located (very close to 136, 104, within walking distance to sharkeys, and 51 is not that far off). the cozyna definitely has wi-fi, but as to the speed and the quality of the flat, i cannot say since i haven't experienced either. but i felt it was worth looking into from the point of view of op.[/quote]uhm ye. and the user asking info, seems happy.

so, well done. seems is monger friendly now, so what else.

enjoy your holiday!

cheers!

marrow

[QUOTE=Easton;1143342]Actually you can get the girls near the Japenese bridge for $5 very easily, but most are not much in the looks department.[/QUOTE]Where are those places near the japanese bridge? I never found one.

[QUOTE=KhmerBlue;1145617]Re: what Phnom. As people have said, a good place to pick girls fairly cheap, but it IS a fairly dodgy place at night. Honestly, stick to the regular bars.[/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity: where do you take those girls from what Phnom? No hotel in the neighborhood, as far as I know. And that would also bring the price up.

[QUOTE=Sabretongue; 1147817]I'm tired of all this bickering. Let's post some pics. Here's a couple of girls I took from walkabout recently.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]149852[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Very nice Sabretongue. Thanks for posting.

[quote=khmerblue; 1147808]note to the mod: apologies if you receive this same report three times in a row. internet is playing up and i wasnt sure if it went through.

last night wasn't great but this forum could use more reports so here goes. started the night at 11:30pm. went to this bar next to 51st. i can never remember the name. it's not zanzibar (this one is on 104) but starts with a z and sounds like it. i don't often go there but it's usually pretty empty of other customers which is something i prefer.

i enter and lo and behold there is just another guy. looked like a customer but might have been the owner since no girls were with him. there was about a dozen of girls. i sat down at the bar and ordered a drink. two girls quickly sit next to me.

number 1 is 25 though seems to look younger (but i'll come back to that later). number 2 is 24 and looks cuter. number 1 is very straight forward which i like. she goes straight to massaging my cock and informs me that, and i quote her, 'i do everything'. she then starts to tell me that she is very good at yum yum 'i spit and everything'. i'm thinking a bj sounds nice. i could then go to another bar for st. i ask her how much for yum yum to which she replies '20 dollars'. i give her a wtf look (no bj is worth that ). i move on to number 2. she asks if i want a massage. i tell her the truth: 'maybe'. her english is fairly good. i don't need to repeat every five times. number 1 comes back and starts kissing me and ask me if i want to go with her. out of curiosity, i ask her how much for boom boom. 'same' she says. ah, that makes more sense. the 20 bucks were for bj and fucking. it's still too much though, which i tell her. she brings it down to 15$. i know i could bring her down to 10, but as i mentioned in an earlier post. 5$ is chump change and i'd rather spend my precious time fucking rather that bargaining.

i inform number 2 that i am going. she seems upset. i'm starting to get second thoughts. she offers a threesome ('you want two girls? '). this is the second time in two weeks that a girl spontaneously offers me a threesome. i ponder the possibility but eventually give it a pass. everyone should have at least one threesome in their lives. but i've had mine, and i prefer one on one.

we arrive. i look at number 1 and wonders if this is the same girl i talked to in the bar. she looks much older under the harsh lights of the room. her face is pretty worn and way too heavily made up. she undresses with her back turned towards me. first thing i notice is a very cute butt. perky as it should be. she turns around and i take a good look. she's one of the flatest girl i've ever seen. seriously. i have more boobs than her. she's a 30aa at best. i'm easy when it comes to boobs. i like all sizes and shapes so i don't mind. she also has the pointiest nipples i have seen in a while. those things could have cut ice. i am disappointed to see that she isn't smooth or even trimmed. seriously khmer ladies. get with the times.

we go in the shower. she washes my cock but is a bit too aggressive. i lay down on the bed, waiting to see if she sucks as well as she said she would. she asks 'condom for yum yum? '. i decline. she then adds 'but condom for boom boom, yes? ' to which i obviously agree (but i wonder what she would have said if i said no. the way she phrased it seemed to indicate she was open to negotiations on that topic).

she starts sucking me. she is actually pretty good. not amazing but she definitely has skills. she goes in deep, makes some good sounds. after a while she asks me if i want boom boom. she puts on the condom and gets on top of me. she's pretty tight and feels good. we go at it for a while and either she's really into it or she's good at pretending (probably the later but it makes no difference to me). i slow down a little and she asks me if i came. i'm a bit put off by that. we just barely started. i know this is st but come on. i go on top of her. she's very petite and it feels pretty good. i pound her and she responds well. she asks for doggy style. we go at it. i notice some scars in her arms. possibly needle marks. i'm glad i'm wearing a condom. i take a look at her asshole and play with it some which she doesn't seem to mind. it starts to get pretty intense and i'm fucking her pretty hard. i know i'm going to come soon and i tell her so. weirdly enough she goes 'oh no! ' followed immediately by 'yes, yes' (make up your mind, lady'). i empty my load and we lay down on the bed.

she takes off the condom and goes into the bathroom. she then starts to make a series of retching sounds (wtf). this goes on for a few minutes. then she comes back. i ask her if she's ok. she says she is. i'm wondering if i should go for round 2, but the worn face and bushy. it's just as well, since she starts putting her clothes back on. after the usual questions ('how long you stay in cambodia? why no have cambodian lady') which i just shrugs off, i give her 15$ plus 1$ for the tuk tuk and send her on her way. not a bad night, but should definitely have gone for number 2.

some grades:

face: c.

body: b- (would have been a b if she had shaved or at least trimmed her kitty)

technique: b. good bbbj, different positions, into it or at least good actress.

overall: c (would have been a c+ maybe b- if she hadn't seemed so eager to finish quickly)

all in all, an average night with an average girl. here's to the next one! [/quote]erm. may i ask exactly which sound she was doing? if was like vomit, she's surely sick. could be aids, destroying her stomach. or an abortion. both case, great choice use a condom, as much maybe either during the bj was better use it. if she lost blood from the mouth or a teeth, and scratched your cock during the bj, well bro, an exam is suggested. aids or any other std, are quite regular, with a cambodian street girl.

[quote=purpletaoist;1147955]where are those places near the japanese bridge? i never found one.[/quote][url]http://www.twip.org/photo/southeast-asia/cambodia/photo-6541-15-10-06-08-07-49.jpg[/url]

this one mate. from calmette hospital, go straight. at the end, you will see in front of you a roundabout and a gasoline station. to the right, it's the bridge. same road for kompong cham, and more over, to siem reap. road 6, basically. going to the other side, start a large number of brothels, some on street, some inside, you need to walk, not suggested on night time, some criminals hang around. be careful.

by the way, it's full of brothels. most girls you find on walkabout martini etc, are girls from this place who bough nice clothes. smartest, made enough money for rent a room and move out. others, still go to sleep there. obiouvsly, poorest one still work there, it's a 10000 riel service, hehe. 8000 is bargained from hearthless cambodian customers (and barang khmer-speakers with hard bargain skill) obiouvsly, tourists still pay 5/10$ lol. rarely, if you are lucky, you can find a new worker sold from the province, a cute jewel with no idea how things work in pp. needs luck, because after 1 week or less, other girls looking how beautiful she is, will borrow her beautiful clothes, and she will start to work to famous places like martini, hod. try your luck, you could find a superb young newbie, like i did dozen times. all disappeared, actually haha.

[quote=purpletaoist;1147958]just out of curiosity: where do you take those girls from what phnom? no hotel in the neighborhood, as far as i know. and that would also bring the price up.[/quote]well, hanging around with a motorbyke, you will see some girls. most are ****, so you will find a girl to hop your motorbyke, and a cop following you happy to show you how beautiful is the cambodian jail. that's why noone made an hotel enough near to this place. was a **** area if was easy, don't you agree. suggestion? stay far, very far.

[url]http://www.twip.org/photo/southeast-asia/cambodia/photo-6541-15-10-06-08-07-49.jpg[/url]

This one mate. From Calmette Hospital, go straight. At the end, you will see in front of you a roundabout and a gasoline station. To the right, it's the bridge. Same road for kompong cham, and more over, to siem reap. Road 6, basically. Going to the other side, start a large number of brothels, some on street, some inside, you need to walk, not suggested on night time, some criminals hang around. Be careful.

Thanks for the info, but I still do not get it. Are you saying I need to go over to the other side of the Tonle Sap?

[QUOTE=Marrow;1148153]Going to the other side, start a large number of brothels, some on street, some inside, you need to walk, not suggested on night time, some criminals hang around. Be careful..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, but I still don't get it. Are you saying I need to go to the other side of the Tonle sap?

This thread has really degenerated recently.

Lots of rubbish now.

Girls from 5000 riel brothels ending up at martini and walkabou-utter crap.

Thanks sabretoungue for the nice pics.

I see a few lovely young girls in walkabou every day.

Especially the 19 year old with the pert nose and huge tits, why has no one commented on her!

Myself I am a shanghai man at the moment.

No bar fines and the girls require more work but there are some lovelies in there who will perform better than the average bar girl with a little TLC and no bad habits.

[QUOTE=Marrow;1148153]Erm. May I ask exactly which sound she was doing? If was like vomit, she's surely sick. Could be AIDS, destroying her stomach. Or an abortion. Both case, great choice use a condom, as much maybe either during the BJ was better use it. If she lost blood from the mouth or a teeth, and scratched your cock during the BJ, well bro, an exam is suggested. Aids or any other STD, are quite regular, with a Cambodian street girl.[/QUOTE]Yeah, sounded like she was puking. I'd never EVER fuck a Khmer street girl without condoms, not in this lifetime. Quite scary that she seemed open to fucking without a condom. I know there is still a risk of STDs from BBBJ, though it's quite low, and I had the same thoughts as you after I heard her being sick. I checked my cock. Didn't see anything, and I reckon I would have felt it if she scratched my cock. I always play safe, in Cambo or elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Purpletaoist;1147958]Just out of curiosity: where do you take those girls from what Phnom? No hotel in the neighborhood, as far as I know. And that would also bring the price up.[/QUOTE]You bring them to the Raffles, just a two minutes walk! Just kidding. In my case, on the two occasions I have been there, I took the girls to my place. Otherwise, you just get a tuk tuk to your hotel. But Marrow is right, there are much better and safer places to go. Both times I picked up girls from there, the girls were so clearly over 18 that I didn't worry about the police. BUT, the last time I brought a girl home from there, she stole some cash and other stuff from me. It was my own damn fault for being so stupid and not picking a girl from a regular bar. But that's the kind of girl you pick up from WP. In one word: avoid.

"USA Doctor Held in Cambodia on Sex Charge"

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/24/doctor-held-cambodia-sex-charge/[/url]

[url]http://www.oneidadispatch.com/articles/2011/04/24/news/doc4db4a2da02ecf381567248.txt?viewmode=fullstory[/url]

This doctor is in a shit load of trouble.

Headed to PP tomorrow from Bangers. Been two years since I've been; again this forum has proved invaluable for pricing info. Will hit all the usual haunts and report back. The most annoying thing about the bars in PP is that I always found it difficult to discern which girls you can take out and which ones are just there to leech drinks off of you. Never had much luck in the beer bars because of this but I always was able to snag a cutie from Sharkey's and Heart of Darkness. I assume things haven't changed.

Here are some more pics guys.

These are two Viet girls who I think probably hang out at Martinis, although once again they were introduced by a mutual 'friend' so I don't know for sure. Seriously, this is the best way I have found to meet girls in PP, although obviously it only works if you live here or have an extended holiday.

I have one Viet regular who I pay 20 bucks per session, which can be LT or ST depending upon my mood. Since she is a regular I get pretty bored with her so usually only let her come over if she brings a friend along. I also pay the friend 20 bucks. Never more, never less, without exception. The regular girl could almost be my girlfriend, and we are quite fond of each other, except we both know that it's purely a commercial relationship at heart. I know she has other customers, which is fine by me, and she expects me to have other girls, and even encourages me in this respect.

She took a little while to get with the program. I made it clear to her, no girls who have had babies, BBBJ is mandatory. At first she would only bring girls that were less attractive than her, but she now feels secure enough to bring along a fine specimen if the opportunity presents itself, in which case I will ask for that girl's phone number (I am normally discrete about it, but don't care if the regular knows I asked for it) and then bang her regularly until I get bored. Then I ask. That- girl to bring a friend along and so it grows. Sometimes they will bring a shocker along, in which case (of course) I pay up anyway, and later complain to the girl that brought the shocker. If she still doesn't learn I will stop answering her calls for a week or two, after which the girl will invariably get with the program. I am sure each girl takes a commission from her friend (which they can afford since 20 bucks is probably 5-10 bucks more than the minimum price these girls would go for if they were really hard up and struggling).

The Viets usually stick together but sometimes my regular squeeze will bring along a Khmer girl, which is fine with me. I must say, though, that normally Khmer and Viet girls do not get along, however the longer the Viet girl has lived in Cambodia, the less likely this rule is to apply.

They generally prefer to come in pairs anyway, as it's less work for them and they can chat to each other and keep one another entertained. At most they only speak the most basic English and I speak no Vietnamese, so our attempts at conversation are often comical, but strangely we have no problems in making ourselves understood. (The Viets are pretty worldly anyway and always seem to know the score).

This way, I always have girls calling me up wanting to bring their friend over for a threesome. The 'friend' is sometimes a non-professional who wants to make some money or is just starting out in the trade. Everybody knows what is expected of them, and how much they will get paid.

This way I don't have to spend a lot of time gutter-diving in Martinis or the Walkabout or wherever (which reduces the overall cost of mongering) , and often meet girls who I normally wouldn't. All in all it's a fairly comfortable arrangement and it keeps me happy. The girls don't seem to mind it either.

Oh, I would also add that I'm a somewhat hardened expat and there is exactly zero percent chance that I'm going to fall in love with one of these girls, or fall prey to some scam that they might cook up. The girls know this and I think it keeps them honest. For someone who is new to the scene, or prone to being manipulated by scheming harpies, this model might not work.

I made a quick stop in Phnom Penh about 3 years ago. The MC guy took me to this Viet brothel place for $30 / ST. I know it's over price, and the MC guy probably took a big cut. However, the girl I met was very cute.

I will be in Phnom Penh in about a month, and want to visit some of those quick boom boom places. Any of you guy have adresses, or have any suggestion? Do those place allow me to take the girl back to the hotel for LT? And what's the standard price now-a-day?

[QUOTE=Ve Vietnam;1148923]Any of you guy have adresses, or have any suggestion?[/QUOTE]I'm looking for some of that myself. I remember being on a tuk tuk heading to Walkabout and whenever I passed by this particular location, there was always some guy waving and yelling to catch my attention. I later determined it must have been a brothel attendent trying to drum up business. Except I had no idea what intersection it was! I'm planning to bring a gps on my next trip.

Always be prepared,

Speceman

Got to PP last night, staying at the Paragon hotel for 25 bucks a night with a river view. Just a word. If you want to buy weed then go to the Happy Pizza joint (the pink flamingo branch). Prices are reasonable and it's very good quality (not sure if I'm allowed to report this but thought I'd include it anyway).

Prices have not changed in the 2 years I have been here. Still the cheapest beer in Asia methinks. Went to Walkabout around 11 pm. Upstairs was pretty dead. A few khmer chicks hanging out but most were chatting to each other or with other guys. Went downstairs and the action was okay. Plenty of friendly girls although I would not rate any of them as stunners. A short khmer came up to me. She was easily 30, quite short but had a great ass; one of the best I've seen in awhile. Anyway, talked to her for a bit but she has a kid. I nearly said no to her but I wanted to pound that ass. She asked for 20 which I balked at. I told her 10 bucks; she tried to get me up to 15 but I wasn't having it; it was still early and I had hours to find a better looker. She eventually conceded and went back to the hotel. She wanted to sleep but I made it clear that fucking was the only thing on the menu. Had an okay session where I pounded her ass with a vengeance until we were both spent. She wanted to sleep for an hour but I kicked her out after 10 minutes of rest. Gave her 10 bucks plus $2 for taxi. Will hop over to Sharkey's later tonight and perhaps Rose Bar and report back.

Just a side note. Even with International Roaming my iPhone does not work which is unfortunate. Make sure to contact your carrier before leaving if you want to use it abroad.

Agreed, there is rubbish written on this thread.


[QUOTE=Purpletaoist;1147955]Where are those places near the japanese bridge? I never found one.[/QUOTE]Numerous shack brothels exist on the Sisowath Quay, the riverfront road parallel to the Tonle Sap River, below the Japanese Friendship Bridge. They were open last winter; should still be open.

Easy to get there: From FCC, go north a few kilometers, pass St 136, pass the weekend market, pass St 104, and then 1 or so more kilometers later, you will see the shack brothels on your left. It's obvious; you will see ugly girls hanging out in front. You also will see local massage parlors; there's extras available in those.

The houses are mainly open during the day. Not sure what time it opens. Deserted at night; a few years ago, there were 2 open late at nite.

Since that area is cheaper than St 63, my guess is that the ex-pat price would be $8 (a price where you don't have to argue too much; if I go there, which I don't normally, I would just offer $10 to avoid any argument).

Posters have said they can get it at the local price. My guess is the local price in that area is $4. I would be interested in info on how hard it is to get those local prices.

I was told that barang service and local service in the shack brothels are sometimes different. For a local, you are expected to be quick. Also the locals don't get BJ.

Actually, many of the girls there won't give BJs at all. I once inquired about a BJ from a semi-ugly girl; she said she didn't do BJs; she said she will find a girl for a BJ; she brought out a girl that was really ugly.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1149438]Posters have said they can get it at the local price. My guess is the local price in that area is $4. I would be interested in info on how hard it is to get those local prices.

[/QUOTE]No, the local prices are now $5. It's not really hard to get these prices but just a real hassle. Have to play the "game" trying to get the prices down.

So, $5 is not impossible but $6 or 7 is much easier to achieve and waste less time. Paying $10 here is not recommemded.

Note: service at these places are generally nil or poor. Most just pull up the dress, you bonk them and off you go. So, the locals and foreigners usually get the same lousy service. Only difference is that the locals don't have to haggle for the local price and we do.

And yes, the gals here are not what I call young and pretty.

Shark

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1148153]This one mate. From Calmette Hospital, go straight. At the end, you will see in front of you a roundabout and a gasoline station. To the right, it's the bridge. Same road for kompong cham, and more over, to siem reap. Road 6, basically. Going to the other side, start a large number of brothels, some on street, some inside, you need to walk, not suggested on night time, some criminals hang around. Be careful.

By the way, it's full of brothels. Are. [/QUOTE]Directions are a bit confusing as I don't know if referring to travel to other side of the bridge away from the tourist side.

I only know of several brothels (maybe 6 or so) on the side of the river where all our tourist hotels are located. It's not what I call full of brothels. Perhaps the full of brothels means they are on the other side of the bridge? Maybe someone can fill in on this as truthfully, I've been across the bridge once or twice and have come across several brothels but not near the bridge, but never explored in detail so maybe "full of brothels" do exist upon exiting the bridge on the other side. I just don't know for sure.

Checked out Sharkey's the other night. Some hotties but most girls are very average in the looks department. I found that nympho Janto that I mentioned in my previous reports. She's still pretty hot but she's had a kid so has minimal stomach scarring. But she's still a nympho in bed and I just couldn't resist. Damage was 40 bucks for LT which is way too expensive so I probably won't be taking her again.

Last night went into Rose Bar. Definitely some lookers in here and some big titties. I believe that the girls working behind the bar will not go out unless it's the end of the night and they like you. Got talking to a big-titted girl, forget her name. She would not go for less that $30 ST and she said that all the girls in the bar will usually ask for a lot more. There's a cute bartender named Aya who'd I like to fuck but for what the girls appear to be asking, Thailand is better value. Walked out and into Zanzibar, pretty dead.

Went into Heart of Darkness. I don't recommend going in here until about 2 am. Walked in and there are definite hotties here. Grabbed one (25 yrs) and went back for ST. Great attitude; BBBJ in the shower (and on the bed) , rimming, GFE. Very good session. I think her name was Ali. $20 well spent.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1150157]She would not go for less that $30 ST.[/QUOTE]All the girls have a pact with each other on the price, so if you want to negotiate, make sure you don't do it out in the open. With a little luck you can get it down to $20. May be even less if you are young and handsome.

Spaceman

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1149438]Agreed, there is rubbish written on this thread.

Numerous shack brothels exist on the Sisowath Quay, the riverfront road parallel to the Tonle Sap River, below the Japanese Friendship Bridge. They were open last winter; should still be open.

Easy to get there: From FCC, go north a few kilometers, pass St 136, pass the weekend market, pass St 104, and then 1 or so more kilometers later, you will see the shack brothels on your left. It's obvious; you will see ugly girls hanging out in front. You also will see local massage parlors; there's extras available in those.

The houses are mainly open during the day. Not sure what time it opens. Deserted at night; a few years ago, there were 2 open late at nite.

Since that area is cheaper than St 63, my guess is that the ex-pat price would be $8 (a price where you don't have to argue too much; if I go there, which I don't normally, I would just offer $10 to avoid any argument).

Posters have said they can get it at the local price. My guess is the local price in that area is $4. I would be interested in info on how hard it is to get those local prices.

I was told that barang service and local service in the shack brothels are sometimes different. For a local, you are expected to be quick. Also the locals don't get BJ.

Actually, many of the girls there won't give BJs at all. I once inquired about a BJ from a semi-ugly girl; she said she didn't do BJs; she said she will find a girl for a BJ; she brought out a girl that was really ugly. [/QUOTE]Checked those places out today. Just so you know, if you're going to walk from FCC, it will take about 45 minutes (at least). Finally found them but my God. Those are some of the ugliest women on this planet. I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot barge pole let alone my cock.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1150543]Checked those places out today. Just so you know, if you're going to walk from FCC, it will take about 45 minutes (at least). Finally found them but my God. Those are some of the ugliest women on this planet. I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot barge pole let alone my cock.[/QUOTE]The tuk tuk would have cost $1. 50 or $2 from the FCC area.

I normally don't do shack brothels. If I did, I would do St 63. Now some poster recently said St 63 was closed. I asked for confirmation about the closure-no reply; I haven't read anything about any new crackdown. It doesn't make sense that that the these brothels are open while St 63 is closed. Maybe it was a typo.

Well, if St 63 is open, it definitely is better than those houses below the Japanese bridge.

People have warned about thieves in St 63. Always have your valuables with you at ALL times; then everything will be safe. If you don't trust yourself, then don't bring a lot of money.

There's 2 main houses on St 63 (maybe about 10-20 girls each) ; I think people posted pictures of it. There's other houses in the area. If you do a figure 8 tour of the area, you should see a lot. Of course, becareful; a lot of young girls; be smart.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1150557]The tuk tuk would have cost $1. 50 or $2 from the FCC area.

I normally don't do shack brothels. If I did, I would do St 63. Now some poster recently said St 63 was closed. I asked for confirmation about the closure-no reply; I haven't read anything about any new crackdown. It doesn't make sense that that the these brothels are open while St 63 is closed. Maybe it was a typo.

Well, if St 63 is open, it definitely is better than those houses below the Japanese bridge.

People have warned about thieves in St 63. Always have your valuables with you at ALL times; then everything will be safe. If you don't trust yourself, then don't bring a lot of money.

There's 2 main houses on St 63 (maybe about 10-20 girls each) ; I think people posted pictures of it. There's other houses in the area. If you do a figure 8 tour of the area, you should see a lot. Of course, becareful; a lot of young girls; be smart. [/QUOTE]All has been reported in the recent past, its just not true it was not reported here. But no problem, once again.

Situation as of today may 1, 2011.

Le cyrcee open at 6pm, straightforward sex. 20 bucks for the girl.

All freelancer places are open for business and girls are there, cost? To avoid smearing, up to you. But it DOES start at ten bucks, although by paying 15 any discussion will be avoided.

Street 63, all open for business, look for the stretch between streets 214 and 178, open your eyes and you will see about a dozen to 15 of them, their doors are open only about 60 centimeters, and pimps are outside, o p e and why o you are e why e s.

No one going to street 63 for sex should have more then 15 bucks in their pockets, then you will not cry when they steal the few bucks you have on you after you gave them ten for sex.

And lets not forget the; hairdressers; . Just go inside and try your luck, you have eyes, not so? You can not recognize a hooker?

As Mangofan reported, the brothels near Japanese bridge are not much value, but it is not THAT bad. I pass there a number of times a day, so I see them on a daily basis, daytime and late evening (for what is still open then) Not safe there in the dark, avoid it.

The hostess bars, up to you. But as reported here they; stick; together to drive the price up, I just hope no one will ever pay 30 bucks short time for them, + bar fine! What is that? Bull! Everywhere are freelancers, and some good lookers, for 10/15 bucks.

As reported by another member, indeed in the Walkabout lately are some stunners with HUGE tits, its just a matter of what time you enter there. And they are young, early twenties, at least those that I saw, and I did so few times lately. Close to midnight seems a good time.

Area around American Embassy has always freelancers lurking around. Attention! Many minors! Criminals and coppers around, all waiting for you.

Come and enjoy Cambodia, but keep your wits on you.

Things change in PP regularly last week the brothels on 63rd were closed. Yesterday and last night I noticed that they were open. I haven't been in one of those for years now and I don't know any expat that has either. They now want to charge you at least $10 and steal from you as well. Why would you bother when you can go elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1150740]Things change in PP regularly last week the brothels on 63rd were closed. Yesterday and last night I noticed that they were open. I haven't been in one of those for years now and I don't know any expat that has either. They now want to charge you at least $10 and steal from you as well. Why would you bother when you can go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]If it's $10 don't bother. Same price for a walkabout girl. Last time I went to St. 63 was a few years ago. I went in and some of the girls were very young. Maybe 10 or 11. Yuck. Walked straight out.

I'm planning a possible trip to asia, been RTFF, I have collected the bar names:

Pit Stop Bar

Pontoon.

Heart of Darknes.

Bars on 104 and 136.

Sharkys.

Martinis.

Walkabout bar.

Some I gather are on 104 and 136 as mentioned. What about the addreses of the other bars? Say Walkabout? Is it the same as the hotel:

[url]http://www.walkabouthotel.com/[/url]

So these bars are just ordinary bars with hookers or are these bars specially designed for mongers where the girls get paid for getting customers to buy drinks?

Thanks,

I just noticed at some bar websites that they provide accommodation as well. At $20-25 a night. Anyone stayed at their establishments? Looks like you can just go downstairs, pick a girl and take her up. Do you have a pay the bar fine if you did this?

Brothers I will be in PP for a very quick trip (only 1 night) and I would like to find a LT girl for that night. With such a short time available, I'd like to find a LT girl in the afternoon. Any suggestions where to start my search?

I like to spend sometimes afternoons in Naga casino to play slot machines.

Last week, I went there and I played a machine and a Vietnamese girl seat near me but not playing. She was wearing a really mini skirt and even she was not a real beauty she looks attractive and sexy.

She starts to speak with me ' Hello, how are you, where you from, are you lucky today. '

As she asked me questions and seat nearly 30 minutes already near me, I started to think she maybe could be a taxi girl.

After about 30 minutes, I started to be boring playing slot machine so I told her I will go.

Then she told me ' Oh I lose money to much today, I m sorry to ask but can you give me 2 $ to pay moto to go back home? '.

Now, I m sure she's a taxi girl!

I look her legs for 5 seconds and told her ' sorry but I cannot give you 2 $ but maybe if you also give me something maybe I can give you 20 $! '

She straight reply, spreading little bit her legs that I can see her white panties ' If you want me give you my pussy darling, ok but 40 $ '.

Then I negotiate 30 $ ST and go back to my guesthouse with her.

She directly go back to shower, come back totally naked and ask me to go shower also.

She's not the most beautiful girl I ever see but she's looking sexy : small but nice tits and a really lovely shaved pussy. She directly start to BJ me even I ask her nothing and was one on a best BJ I get in Cambodia. She's sometimes nearly deepthroat and I have to ask her to stop as I scare to cum in her mouth!

After I start to fuck her many position and finish in doggy and cum on her ass!

Then she go.

Really a good value for 30 $.

2 days after, I went back to Naga and saw her again. She say Hello, to me and I can understand she speak with other Vietnamese girls (3 or 4) so I can understand they are also taxi girls.

All look sexy. I think I will go Naga more often!

If you go there, all this girls stay near the first slot machines behind the catwalk.

PS : sorry for my poor english speaking!

[QUOTE=Droplet;1150923]So these bars are just ordinary bars with hookers or are these bars specially designed for mongers where the girls get paid for getting customers to buy drinks?[/QUOTE]Heart of Darkness, Martini, Sharky Bar and Walkabout are freelancer spots. Street 104 and 136 have girls who are actual employees of the bars, so you need to pay extra for lady drinks and usually there is a bar fine involved to take them out.

Yes, Walkabout hotel is the same as the Walkabout bar.

You raise an interesting question about whether you need to pay a bar fine to bring the girl upstairs if you are renting a room. Unfortunately I'm not sure of the answer.

[QUOTE=Jvdairlie;1151079]Brothers I will be in PP for a very quick trip (only 1 night) and I would like to find a LT girl for that night. With such a short time available, I'd like to find a LT girl in the afternoon. Any suggestions where to start my search?[/QUOTE]There aren't many options if you're looking for someone in the afternoon. Walkabout and Candy Bar are 2 places that come to mind, since they're 24 hours and seem to always have plenty of women available.

There are a few other bars that open in the afternoon, but I'm not sure how many women would be at work. I know Golden Vine supposedly opens at 3pm, but I'm not sure what the place looks like then.

Bunny Bar also advertises an early opening time. I decided to go by there at around 5pm one day, and check it out. The place was literally empty. Not a single person was inside. Not even a bartender! Maybe she ducked out for a moment.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1151134]There aren't many options if you're looking for someone in the afternoon. Walkabout and Candy Bar are 2 places that come to mind, since they're 24 hours and seem to always have plenty of women available.

There are a few other bars that open in the afternoon, but I'm not sure how many women would be at work. I know Golden Vine supposedly opens at 3pm, but I'm not sure what the place looks like then.

Bunny Bar also advertises an early opening time. I decided to go by there at around 5pm one day, and check it out. The place was literally empty. Not a single person was inside. Not even a bartender! Maybe she ducked out for a moment.[/QUOTE]Oscar's Pub on 104 opens at 1pm. But I doubt you'll find much there. Even at peak times the place isn't exactly teeming with choice.

Personally I wouldn't bother with Pit Stop or Pontoon. 104, 136 and 51 are the main streets with most of the bars. Sharkeys is on 130. As mentioned earlier, you can go to the Japanese bridge if you are beyond desperate. Brothels on 63 were closed last time I went there, but this changes on a daily basis. And if you are feeling adventurous, you can always try what Phnom.

[QUOTE=Droplet; 1150923]I'm planning a possible trip to asia, been RTFF, I have collected the bar names:

Pit Stop Bar

Pontoon.

Heart of Darknes.

Bars on 104 and 136.

Sharkys.

Martinis.

Walkabout bar.

Some I gather are on 104 and 136 as mentioned. What about the addreses of the other bars? Say Walkabout? Is it the same as the hotel:

[url]http://www.walkabouthotel.com/[/url]

So these bars are just ordinary bars with hookers or are these bars specially designed for mongers where the girls get paid for getting customers to buy drinks?

Thanks, [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jvdairlie;1151079]Brothers I will be in PP for a very quick trip (only 1 night) and I would like to find a LT girl for that night. With such a short time available, I'd like to find a LT girl in the afternoon. Any suggestions where to start my search?[/QUOTE]Besides the bars, there's also the massage parlors at the hotels, such as the one in Paris Hotel. At Paris, the girls start to come in early in the afternoon. There's other hotels that has massage paylors.

The massage paylor girls are short time girls, but fairly certain that you can get them long time. Cost might be expensive (business fee plus large amount that the girl will ask for). Those girls normally don't speak any English.

There's also the girls in St 63. They're short time, but you can get them long time. Haven't been there many times, but don't think it's that bad as some recent posters stated. Those girls probably don't speak much English.

Prices in St 63 is similar to Walkabout for short time (10, maybe 5 at St 63; 10-15 at Walkabout); average looks and top 5 are better in St 63. But short time for Walkabout should be 2 or 3 hours; short time at St 63 is a lot shorter.

At St 63 (at the 2 big houses close to each other) , I haven't seen girls "that" young. But there might be girls whose age seems dubious. Be smart and don't take them out; make sure the girl looks at least 18. Also, the girl might steal from you; just don't give them the opportunity, and then everything will be fine.

Took another girl out from HOD last night, which makes it 3 for 3. Viet named Lan or Wan. I had seen her before on previous visits and had paid her 20 bucks for ST. My previous 2 girls from HOD also asked for 20 bucks for ST. Anyway, took a tuk tuk back and the idiot got lost. Finally found our way there and wanted $3. This is the second time this has happened. Tuk tuks out in front of HOD are trying to raise the price. I gave him 2, which he wasn't happy about, so he swore at me in khmer and drove off.

Anyway, took Wan back to the room, fucked, and when I offered her 20 bucks she threw it on the floor and looked at me like I had just called her mother a working girl. She wanted 50. Yeah, right. I told her 25 and that was it. She came down to 40. Forget it, I said. I'm not a newbie at this. She finally accepted $25 and walked out. Not a great night.

From staying a week in PP, I can say that the best finds are at HOD. Definitely some hotties in there but don't bother going until after midnight. The second night I paid a young hottie $25 for LT, but maybe that was just luck. Get the girl to agree to a price beforehand (a mistake I made the third night).

Walkabout is also okay, but you'll need to find a diamond in the rough there. Most girls are past their expiry date. $10-$15 ST.

Sharkey's. Good food and great atmosphere. Prime time is 9pm-12. A few lookers but again you're going to need to search. I've gotten $15-$20 ST from girls here.

Hostess bars. Don't bother unless you like overpaying and waiting a loooooong time for the girl to finally agree to go with you. The problem here is that you walk in and you don't really know which girls can or are willing to go. If you are young, fit, and handsome, then you will probably have good luck at these places (for the record I'm average looking and young-ish hahaha). I have been lucky in the past and paid a girl $15 for ST from Rose Bar. However at that same bar I was also quoted $50 ST from another girl. And of course there are girls who will tell you that they can go with you at the end of the night, and after you buy them 6 or 7 cocktails they change their minds. It's a crap-shoot. If you just want to get laid, then go to HOD or Walkabout.

[QUOTE=Ribellu;1151113]Then I negotiate 30 $ ST and go back to my guesthouse with her.[/QUOTE]From a place that charges $8 for a damn Heineken, how on earth could you get $30 ST? With such luck on your side, you should have won the jackpot! For the rest of us, I would be happy if we could get ST for $50. Or I would take a $1 motor ride to Walkabout and get $15 ST. That is more realistic man.

Spaceman

" From a place that charges $8 for a damn Heineken, how on earth could you get $30 ST? With such luck on your side, you should have won the jackpot! For the rest of us, I would be happy if we could get ST for $50. Or I would take a $1 motor ride to Walkabout and get $15 ST. That is more realistic man."

Spaceman.

I don t have any idea. When you play games, the drinks are free!

Heard the price went up, one shot 20, bar fine 5, and compulsory 3usd drink for lady if you want to take her out, and 5 USD room across the street. Is that true?

Two years ago only 20 straight forward.

Makara

Well done ribellu, first slot machines beyond the catwalk-will have a flutter tomorrow.

Sounds like a good venue.

Darling darling at the naga is good, drinks a bit expensive but some lovely free lancers.

They are expensive too, they go for the asian gamblers.

Good place to take a date, the Filipino band has two lovely girl singers.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1152149]Well done ribellu, first slot machines beyond the catwalk-will have a flutter tomorrow.

Sounds like a good venue.

Darling darling at the naga is good, drinks a bit expensive but some lovely free lancers.

They are expensive too, they go for the asian gamblers.

Good place to take a date, the Filipino band has two lovely girl singers. [/QUOTE]I heard that the girls working in the Karaoke place at Nagaworld ST for $100. Not sure if the freelancers mentioned above expect that much but given the prices there it would not surprise me at all if they did. Agree with Phil Istine's assessment.

When people love to read Marrow's post? When he write an intel!

Here we are. 4 days of Cambodia, end of April / start of may 2011.

1st day: Rose bar. Low quality bunch of khmer girls, with their funny "fifty dollah" request either. LOL, someone really pay them?

Walkabout, low quality, few girls at 11 pm. I saw a cute hottie (the only one, phew).8/10, 15$, no BJ no anal, good performance.

2nd day: Walkabout, finally a hottie model-like. Cambodian bi (rare as a diamond) , BJ (rare aswell) , adorable performance.

We start a relationship, reading you will figure out why haha.

Went to walkabout, she took an other Cambodian blonde young hottie for a good threesome (Incredible, an other Cambodian bi!). Sadly (as expected) our toy was a "no BJ" so our threesome was just acceptable."Who cares", she told me,"we will find an other toy, I have a lot of friends! So I can do BJ with them without hassle and some anal!" Great. Final damage: 20$ to my gf. 15$ to our toy. Paid on separate moments, obiouvsly.

3rd day: My threesome gf had her days, so I was free to go around. And finally able to make a report.

Went to rose bar again but with a quick tour of Watphnom: uglies and some minors (cop included) hanging around. Stay far, guys.

Rose bar, same girls, same quality. After a beer (the cheaper haha) and a short chit chat I left quickly.

Walkabout again, I saw a couple of hotties, but shit attitude. As you all guys remember, I don't waste time with a girl lower than 9. So: went to Martini!

Hell, what a shit. Maybe 20 girls, so ugly I was hanging around bored, seriously. And with shit attitude too! Pathetic girls, just interested to scam the old idiot horny tourist. Hahaha, so fun. Martini was good 1 year ago, maybe, not now. I was going to move out but CRAP! It started to rain. Angry, still hangin around, I took a beer. Back to Martini's disco, I saw a mirage. My best model. 23 years, maybe the best performer of Phnom penh, smiled me! She was an old sex toy I didn't met anymore from February 2009. I tried for years to find her again, and damn, she was there, smiling me happily. Obiouvsly I took her hands, and she start to speak Cambodian, telling me how she missed me.

Well, went to a random middle high class hotel, a 5$ room for 1 hour. The loser receptionist tried to ask 20$, as much the room was awesome, puzzled about why I was complaining his price, with any barely idea what I was doing and why I was with this girl hahahaha. Funnily, the motodriver made the deal for me haha.

Well. 3 holer, best BJ ever, fucked her ass 30 minutes. After a shower, she start to complain why I didn't fuck her pussy with my big cock "Fuck my pussy now, strong!". Damn, she's right, hehe.

20$ well spent for a jewel with high performance.

Why I love this girl? Because she's totally submissive, available to any kind of game with toys too, she love anal sex, and not enough orgies! 2 men, but 3-4 men or more are better.

Best sub I ever dream to find in Cambodia. (She's the only one maybe haha)

After our sex session, we went to dance. Pontoon, nice idea, I was needing for my report!

Well. 4 couples, girls was stunners. 3 western girls (ugly brits).2 girls available. Quality: 7/10 Thanks god I was with my model, any other girl disappear near her haha.

Seriously. Maybe it's me, but IMHO western girls are ugly as hell, asian girls beat any of them 10/1 but let's continue.

After pontoon, went back to my gh, for 2 hour more of anal fun and sleep togheter, happily. God, I love this girl.

4th day: 1 more very hard anal session when awake, then went to eat our breakfast. After lunch, some fun around, going around, then back to my GH for 2 more shags, one before shower, one after.

Last anal session was quite strong, but she love it, I can't help, hehe.

Final damage: 40$.

Free again on late afternoon, I took a driver hangin around till 9 pm. So a short report of brothel. Well, Street 70's brothel are much better now. I saw a lot of cuties on the street, mostly viets but very beautiful, some was 9/10. Mine was a stunner. I will fuck them all, next time (if still available).

Didn't check near the japanese bridge (I wil explain later which brothels). Brothels near walkabout are working again. I saw a couple from the street. 7/10. You need to go around and check, guys, sometimes deserve (IMHO, much better a Walkabout's girl but it's my opinion)

Street 63 brothels, are open again, but unstable. Restoring slowly from the last NGO threat. One of the best place to send a guy, for the "Marrow's spy story" business, hehe. Guess why.

Meh, as always, PP brothels are different every week. Sometimes you are lucky and you will find a jewel, sometimes the typical shit quality. Depends on luck, mostly.

10 pm, my phone rang. My bi GF was horny, waiting me at Walkabout. Well, I went there as fast as I can hahaha.

What I found, was my GF with 1 stunner and the same toy of 2 days before, ready for a 4some! We drank a beer quickly, then Martini for some fun.

We was trying to find a better substitute for our 4some and damn, I found her. A real hottie, a newbie. 22 years, hot as hell. Sadly, she goes hot for me, but as much my GF asked her if she was interested to have some fun, she didn't trust her, telling me when I went outside the disco, alone "I like you, but I cannot go with you, or your GF will boxing me" (means punch her face broking her teeth). Damned newbie haha. Back to the disco, I was saldy laughing with my GF about her. Crap, not again the boring toy, let's try HoD. Arrived, with my 3 girls, all other girls was looking me amazed, hanging around with 3 girls all for me haha. Groan, no hope to find a subtitute. Hotties was busy. 5 more was "1 man-1 girl". Meh, tired of it, we finally went back to the house of my GF, for a great sex session. At least, the 2nd toy was available for some BJ, no anal, but at least, more fun. So sweet. My GF was still with her days, wearing her panties, she just organize this orgy for me (and lick some pussies with her tongue hahaha).

I tried to ask about pics of them playing, no way. Meh, next time, guys, haha.

After 3 hours of fun, other girls left, so I falled asleep with my GF.

Final damage: 15$ both toys, my gf didn't ask money (obiouvsly).

5th day: time to leave Cambodia, happy.

Conclusion: No doubt, Cambodia is a funny place, when you know how things works.

[QUOTE=Xfactors; 1148709]"USA Doctor Held in Cambodia on Sex Charge"

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/24/doctor-held-cambodia-sex-charge/[/url]

[url]http://www.oneidadispatch.com/articles/2011/04/24/news/doc4db4a2da02ecf381567248.txt?viewmode=fullstory[/url]

This doctor is in a shit load of trouble. [/QUOTE]LOL.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1149401]Prices have not changed in the 2 years I have been here. Still the cheapest beer in Asia methinks.[/QUOTE]Seems you never tried to hang around vietnam, far from scam-areas (district 1, basically) , right?

[QUOTE=Sharka; 1150027]Directions are a bit confusing as I don't know if referring to travel to other side of the bridge away from the tourist side.

I only know of several brothels (maybe 6 or so) on the side of the river where all our tourist hotels are located. It's not what I call full of brothels. Perhaps the full of brothels means they are on the other side of the bridge? Maybe someone can fill in on this as truthfully, I've been across the bridge once or twice and have come across several brothels but not near the bridge, but never explored in detail so maybe "full of brothels" do exist upon exiting the bridge on the other side. I just don't know for sure. [/QUOTE]Ok, I will make it easy. Forget abour the bridge, it's indeed hard to explain. As I wrote, when you see on you right this bridge, turn left, to street 70, other side. You will see at 10 pm a lot of girls on the street. Just, don't forget: it's full of criminals, your pocket and phone will be stolen during your fun. Don't walk on this street. Take a motorbyke, if you see a girl you like, point her, and bring her to a random GH. If you bring her to your room, something will disappear, be sure of it. Same of street 63, basically. Pro viet thieves, you know?

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1150157]Checked out Sharkey's the other night. Some hotties but most girls are very average in the looks department. I found that nympho Janto that I mentioned in my previous reports. She's still pretty hot but she's had a kid so has minimal stomach scarring. But she's still a nympho in bed and I just couldn't resist. Damage was 40 bucks for LT which is way too expensive so I probably won't be taking her again.

Last night went into Rose Bar. Definitely some lookers in here and some big titties. I believe that the girls working behind the bar will not go out unless it's the end of the night and they like you. Got talking to a big-titted girl, forget her name. She would not go for less that $30 ST and she said that all the girls in the bar will usually ask for a lot more. There's a cute bartender named Aya who'd I like to fuck but for what the girls appear to be asking, Thailand is better value. Walked out and into Zanzibar, pretty dead.

Went into Heart of Darkness. I don't recommend going in here until about 2 am. Walked in and there are definite hotties here. Grabbed one (25 yrs) and went back for ST. Great attitude; BBBJ in the shower (and on the bed) , rimming, GFE. Very good session. I think her name was Ali. $20 well spent. [/QUOTE]Oh hehe. Janto. Ye, I gave her some hints on the last 2 years about noise and money, she's a pretty good faker now about noises, porn-movie like, and ask 40-50$ for sex. Quite a good performer, except her pussy is huge as a glass haha, but ye, deserve a couple shots. Sadly, a pro to drain out your bank account, if you want to deal a relationship with her, too. Haha.

Yep, Rose bar girls rarely go our for 30$. Barfine not included, obiouvsly. Scam place at all.

Deffo agree, Thailand is much, much better value, at all. But we wrote about it billion times.

Cheers!

Marrow

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1152563]When people love to read Marrow's post? When he write an intel!

Here we are. 4 days of Cambodia, end of April / start of may 2011.

1st day: Rose bar. Low quality bunch of khmer girls, with their funny "fifty dollah" request either. LOL, someone really pay them?

Walkabout, low quality, few girls at 11 pm. I saw a cute hottie (the only one, phew).8/10, 15$, no BJ no anal, good performance.

2nd day: Walkabout, finally a hottie model-like. Cambodian bi (rare as a diamond) , BJ (rare aswell) , adorable performance.

We start a relationship, reading you will figure out why haha.

Went to walkabout, she took an other Cambodian blonde young hottie for a good threesome (Incredible, an other Cambodian bi!). Sadly (as expected) our toy was a "no BJ" so our threesome was just acceptable."Who cares", she told me,"we will find an other toy, I have a lot of friends! So I can do BJ with them without hassle and some anal!" Great. Final damage: 20$ to my gf. 15$ to our toy. Paid on separate moments, obiouvsly.

3rd day: My threesome gf had her days, so I was free to go around. And finally able to make a report.

Went to rose bar again but with a quick tour of Watphnom: uglies and some minors (cop included) hanging around. Stay far, guys.

Rose bar, same girls, same quality. After a beer (the cheaper haha) and a short chit chat I left quickly.

Walkabout again, I saw a couple of hotties, but shit attitude. As you all guys remember, I don't waste time with a girl lower than 9. So: went to Martini!

Hell, what a shit. Maybe 20 girls, so ugly I was hanging around bored, seriously. And with shit attitude too! Pathetic girls, just interested to scam the old idiot horny tourist. Hahaha, so fun. Martini was good 1 year ago, maybe, not now. I was going to move out but CRAP! It started to rain. Angry, still hangin around, I took a beer. Back to Martini's disco, I saw a mirage. My best model. 23 years, maybe the best performer of Phnom penh, smiled me! She was an old sex toy I didn't met anymore from February 2009. I tried for years to find her again, and damn, she was there, smiling me happily. Obiouvsly I took her hands, and she start to speak Cambodian, telling me how she missed me.

Well, went to a random middle high class hotel, a 5$ room for 1 hour. The loser receptionist tried to ask 20$, as much the room was awesome, puzzled about why I was complaining his price, with any barely idea what I was doing and why I was with this girl hahahaha. Funnily, the motodriver made the deal for me haha.

Well. 3 holer, best BJ ever, fucked her ass 30 minutes. After a shower, she start to complain why I didn't fuck her pussy with my big cock "Fuck my pussy now, strong!". Damn, she's right, hehe.

20$ well spent for a jewel with high performance.

Why I love this girl? Because she's totally submissive, available to any kind of game with toys too, she love anal sex, and not enough orgies! 2 men, but 3-4 men or more are better.

Best sub I ever dream to find in Cambodia. (She's the only one maybe haha)

After our sex session, we went to dance. Pontoon, nice idea, I was needing for my report!

Well. 4 couples, girls was stunners. 3 western girls (ugly brits).2 girls available. Quality: 7/10 Thanks god I was with my model, any other girl disappear near her haha.

Seriously. Maybe it's me, but IMHO western girls are ugly as hell, asian girls beat any of them 10/1 but let's continue.

After pontoon, went back to my gh, for 2 hour more of anal fun and sleep togheter, happily. God, I love this girl.

4th day: 1 more very hard anal session when awake, then went to eat our breakfast. After lunch, some fun around, going around, then back to my GH for 2 more shags, one before shower, one after.

Last anal session was quite strong, but she love it, I can't help, hehe.

Final damage: 40$.

Free again on late afternoon, I took a driver hangin around till 9 pm. So a short report of brothel. Well, Street 70's brothel are much better now. I saw a lot of cuties on the street, mostly viets but very beautiful, some was 9/10. Mine was a stunner. I will fuck them all, next time (if still available).

Didn't check near the japanese bridge (I wil explain later which brothels). Brothels near walkabout are working again. I saw a couple from the street. 7/10. You need to go around and check, guys, sometimes deserve (IMHO, much better a Walkabout's girl but it's my opinion)

Street 63 brothels, are open again, but unstable. Restoring slowly from the last NGO threat. One of the best place to send a guy, for the "Marrow's spy story" business, hehe. Guess why.

Meh, as always, PP brothels are different every week. Sometimes you are lucky and you will find a jewel, sometimes the typical shit quality. Depends on luck, mostly.

10 pm, my phone rang. My bi GF was horny, waiting me at Walkabout. Well, I went there as fast as I can hahaha.

What I found, was my GF with 1 stunner and the same toy of 2 days before, ready for a 4some! We drank a beer quickly, then Martini for some fun.

We was trying to find a better substitute for our 4some and damn, I found her. A real hottie, a newbie. 22 years, hot as hell. Sadly, she goes hot for me, but as much my GF asked her if she was interested to have some fun, she didn't trust her, telling me when I went outside the disco, alone "I like you, but I cannot go with you, or your GF will boxing me" (means punch her face broking her teeth). Damned newbie haha. Back to the disco, I was saldy laughing with my GF about her. Crap, not again the boring toy, let's try HoD. Arrived, with my 3 girls, all other girls was looking me amazed, hanging around with 3 girls all for me haha. Groan, no hope to find a subtitute. Hotties was busy. 5 more was "1 man-1 girl". Meh, tired of it, we finally went back to the house of my GF, for a great sex session. At least, the 2nd toy was available for some BJ, no anal, but at least, more fun. So sweet. My GF was still with her days, wearing her panties, she just organize this orgy for me (and lick some pussies with her tongue hahaha).

I tried to ask about pics of them playing, no way. Meh, next time, guys, haha.

After 3 hours of fun, other girls left, so I falled asleep with my GF.

Final damage: 15$ both toys, my gf didn't ask money (obiouvsly).

5th day: time to leave Cambodia, happy.

Conclusion: No doubt, Cambodia is a funny place, when you know how things works.

LOL.

Seems you never tried to hang around vietnam, far from scam-areas (district 1, basically) , right?

Ok, I will make it easy. Forget abour the bridge, it's indeed hard to explain. As I wrote, when you see on you right this bridge, turn left, to street 70, other side. You will see at 10 pm a lot of girls on the street. Just, don't forget: it's full of criminals, your pocket and phone will be stolen during your fun. Don't walk on this street. Take a motorbyke, if you see a girl you like, point her, and bring her to a random GH. If you bring her to your room, something will disappear, be sure of it. Same of street 63, basically. Pro viet thieves, you know?

Oh hehe. Janto. Ye, I gave her some hints on the last 2 years about noise and money, she's a pretty good faker now about noises, porn-movie like, and ask 40-50$ for sex. Quite a good performer, except her pussy is huge as a glass haha, but ye, deserve a couple shots. Sadly, a pro to drain out your bank account, if you want to deal a relationship with her, too. Haha.

Yep, Rose bar girls rarely go our for 30$. Barfine not included, obiouvsly. Scam place at all.

Deffo agree, Thailand is much, much better value, at all. But we wrote about it billion times.

Cheers!

Marrow[/QUOTE]I can not understand why such a compulsive lier like you is not barred from this forum. Let someone have a look at your mental health Marrow, maybe you can still be helped.

To those that don't understand this, what Marrow is telling here is in total contradiction with the experience of those who live here.

[QUOTE=Marrow;1152563]Ok, I will make it easy. Forget abour the bridge, it's indeed hard to explain. As I wrote, when you see on you right this bridge, turn left, to street 70, other side. You will see at 10 pm a lot of girls on the street. Just, don't forget: it's full of criminals, your pocket and phone will be stolen during your fun. Don't walk on this street. Take a motorbyke, if you see a girl you like, point her, and bring her to a random GH. If you bring her to your room, something will disappear, be sure of it. Same of street 63, basically. Pro viet thieves, you know?[/QUOTE]Huh? More BS directions.

Originally it was for the shack brothels below the Japanese Bridge; now it's something on St 70?

You're still full of BS. Oops! Forgot, ignorant people want "Penthouse Forum" BS on this site; they don't want "pissing contest" nor "cockfighting". Whatever!

Actually, this post wasn't that bad. A lot of general "stories".

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1152692]Huh? More BS directions.

Originally it was for the shack brothels below the Japanese Bridge; now it's something on St 70?

You're still full of BS. Oops! Forgot, ignorant people want "Penthouse Forum" BS on this site; they don't want "pissing contest" nor "cockfighting". Whatever!

Actually, this post wasn't that bad. A lot of general "stories". [/QUOTE]Thanks.

Well, not my problem if people is having difficult to take a motorbyke and drive straight on a stupid bridge, and open his eyes, looking around. Agree? I'm not a provider, hehe.

Few posts ago someone else wrote where they are, a simple but clear post.

But I bet you can write a better detailed (tourist) post, right? LOL.

Brothels are on the street, a lot. Obiouvsly near normal houses, so sometimes not so easy to detect, that's why I said "Forgive it". Quality is extremely low, STD on any form possible, robbering, troubles. Does it deserve, when street 70 is full of young hotties? Meh, someone prefer the easy way with places full of legal hotties. Someone else "smart" places, hehe, I understand you.

Ye, seems you're having problem to stay far from this thread and any flame, bro.

Wondering when a forum's mod will help you to write more social posts.

Be happy, bro.

Marrow

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1152149]Well done ribellu, first slot machines beyond the catwalk-will have a flutter tomorrow.

Sounds like a good venue.

Darling darling at the naga is good, drinks a bit expensive but some lovely free lancers.

They are expensive too, they go for the asian gamblers.

Good place to take a date, the Filipino band has two lovely girl singers. [/QUOTE]There are many pretty girls to be had at Naga Casino. They do not gamble. Usually they hang out discretely at open places. Obviously they are looking for gamblers staying in the hotel. I saw one guy picked up two girls and went into the elevators. I was talking to one asian gambler and he said the girls charge $30 ST.

I had taken couple of my pick ups from the 104 bars to the casino. Although I was playing $10 blackjack, They thought I was rich.

However they enjoyed the visit haveing never went there. In fact both the girls thought they would not be allowed to enter and tried to discourage me into going to the casino. I assured them not to worry. I guess it is the communist mentality of the government brainwashes them that all the people are not allowed everywhere.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1152692]Huh? More BS directions.

Originally it was for the shack brothels below the Japanese Bridge; now it's something on St 70?

You're still full of BS. Oops! Forgot, ignorant people want "Penthouse Forum" BS on this site; they don't want "pissing contest" nor "cockfighting". Whatever!

Actually, this post wasn't that bad. A lot of general "stories".[/QUOTE]There seems to be some grains of truth in there, but a LOT of exaggeration.

My question is, if the girls are so submissive and beholden to Marrow's big cock, why can't he get any pictures to back up his claims? Many others here don't seem to have a problem with that.

And really the only point, IMHO to having a threesome is getting a double BJ. I mean it's all well and good if the girls are going down on each other (rare in Cambodia but it does happen) but at the end of the day let them get each other off in their own time.

The fact is that most girls will jump at the chance for a threesome because overall it's less work for them (many hands make light work). Plus the 'finder' will usually take a commission from the 'joiner' girl. So it isn't exactly a sign that the punter is God's gift to the whoring world.

[QUOTE=Sabretongue; 1152790]There seems to be some grains of truth in there, but a LOT of exaggeration.

My question is, if the girls are so submissive and beholden to Marrow's big cock, why can't he get any pictures to back up his claims? Many others here don't seem to have a problem with that.

And really the only point, IMHO to having a threesome is getting a double BJ. I mean it's all well and good if the girls are going down on each other (rare in Cambodia but it does happen) but at the end of the day let them get each other off in their own time.

The fact is that most girls will jump at the chance for a threesome because overall it's less work for them (many hands make light work). Plus the 'finder' will usually take a commission from the 'joiner' girl. So it isn't exactly a sign that the punter is God's gift to the whoring world. [/QUOTE]Just an hour ago, one in the night, leaving a particular freelancer nightspot here in PP, was joined talking by two girls on the way out and by reaching my bike they wanted to jump on to have some fun with three. I declined. However, I often do take two, and it is very very easy. And they do have fun between the two of them, its just a matter of who you know here, and if they know you. In fact, in this city you can get a threesome or more if you like anytime you want, its that simple. But they must know you a bit. So for a tourist it might be more difficult.

On the issue of pictures, well, the girls that come here in my house don't like it at all. They are very very weary of being put on the internet these days. I assume that those who are on Meth or other stuff won't have much problem with it for five bucks more.

You might ask why I declined this threesome. Well, very simple, I do know these two long time from face, but have never fucked any of the two, so I just do not know who / what they are, but I have a suspicion that one of them is on Meth, so. No.

Blowjobs, I myself have NEVER experienced a no in this country on this, so for me it is quite difficult to understand where the reports come from that say you can't get a blowjob here? Very strange. And if one should hesitate, just pull her head down and fill her mouth, over. Easy.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1150543]Checked those places out today. Just so you know, if you're going to walk from FCC, it will take about 45 minutes (at least). Finally found them but my God. Those are some of the ugliest women on this planet. I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot barge pole let alone my cock.[/QUOTE]Ha, I did warn everyone that they were NOT what I would call young or pretty.

But, I will say once in awhile, there will be 1-2 that are "doable"

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1151203]But short time for Walkabout should be 2 or 3 hours; short time at St 63 is a lot shorter.

[/QUOTE]ST at st 63 is about 1/2hr or so before someone starts knocking on the door. Its a place for a quick wam / bam only. And YES, the girls are taught here to steal from you (almost always except for one time).

I totally agree with Camboblowshooter threesome are easy and often offered although I have had a few no's to BJ's.

As for Marrows post I think it is just full of shit. He posts here for the last year like he is an expat and knows everything then puts up a crap loaded post of his 4 day tourist trip here. About stunning girls that like anal. He previously posts about not staying with one girl but then posts about his GF. What a crock of shit.

Want to prove me wrong Marrow meet me at the walkabout today hey I will even give you the rest of the week to meet me at the walkabout and show me this anal beauty.

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1152656]I can not understand why such a compulsive lier like you is not barred from this forum. Let someone have a look at your mental health Marrow, maybe you can still be helped.

To those that don't understand this, what Marrow is telling here is in total contradiction with the experience of those who live here. [/QUOTE]If you are the old man who get just old fat girls 1 man 1 girl, bro, I can't help.

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1152813]Just an hour ago, one in the night, leaving a particular freelancer nightspot here in PP, was joined talking by two girls on the way out and by reaching my bike they wanted to jump on to have some fun with three. I declined. However, I often do take two, and it is very very easy. And they do have fun between the two of them, its just a matter of who you know here, and if they know you. In fact, in this city you can get a threesome or more if you like anytime you want, its that simple. But they must know you a bit. So for a tourist it might be more difficult.

On the issue of pictures, well, the girls that come here in my house don't like it at all. They are very very weary of being put on the internet these days. I assume that those who are on Meth or other stuff won't have much problem with it for five bucks more.

You might ask why I declined this threesome. Well, very simple, I do know these two long time from face, but have never fucked any of the two, so I just do not know who / what they are, but I have a suspicion that one of them is on Meth, so. No.

Blowjobs, I myself have NEVER experienced a no in this country on this, so for me it is quite difficult to understand where the reports come from that say you can't get a blowjob here? Very strange. And if one should hesitate, just pull her head down and fill her mouth, over. Easy. [/QUOTE]Quite interesting. Before I am a sick liar for Camboblowshooter, next post he was going to have the same experience. Eww, hahahaha.

Still not clear, I'm not the stupid tourist of the day? LOL.

[QUOTE=Sabretongue; 1152790]There seems to be some grains of truth in there, but a LOT of exaggeration.

My question is, if the girls are so submissive and beholden to Marrow's big cock, why can't he get any pictures to back up his claims? Many others here don't seem to have a problem with that.

And really the only point, IMHO to having a threesome is getting a double BJ. I mean it's all well and good if the girls are going down on each other (rare in Cambodia but it does happen) but at the end of the day let them get each other off in their own time.

The fact is that most girls will jump at the chance for a threesome because overall it's less work for them (many hands make light work). Plus the 'finder' will usually take a commission from the 'joiner' girl. So it isn't exactly a sign that the punter is God's gift to the whoring world. [/QUOTE]Simple reason. She is a rare diamond, the only sub I ever met in Cambodia. I didn't post picture of her on purpose, as I never do of any jewel I have and I will never do. I don't want to make her life more tought, meeting a pervert. She beg me to not make her any picture, too, talking abut internet and picture of her online. As you see, partially my choice, partially her one. Who I respect. Much more, she is pregnant, on 3rd month now. So, sorry bro, forget her.

As I wrote dozen times, I don't share pictures or names or phone number with the best diamonds.

And my orgy GF, she's a newbie. She was partnered for 2 years with an old serious man, who just got found fucking an other girl, and later others too, something broke her heart. She was working as a cook all her life. A normal good girl. She start to work because angry of him. Funny story, because she offered him threesome dozen times, he answered her "I don't have power for it". Well, I have it, hehe.

True, my hope was to get a double BJ, during the threesome. Sadly, the girl said "I do all", but she didn't. Reason because when I was with 3 girls for a 4some, I tried to substitute her. Failed hope, but at least the 2nd toy did the BJ, with my GF.

[QUOTE=Shadow6491; 1152912]I totally agree with Camboblowshooter threesome are easy and often offered although I have had a few no's to BJ's.

As for Marrows post I think it is just full of shit. He posts here for the last year like he is an expat and knows everything then puts up a crap loaded post of his 4 day tourist trip here. About stunning girls that like anal. He previously posts about not staying with one girl but then posts about his GF. What a crock of shit.

Want to prove me wrong Marrow meet me at the walkabout today hey I will even give you the rest of the week to meet me at the walkabout and show me this anal beauty. [/QUOTE]Who really read my post, not interested on flame, know I left Cambodia for an other much better country, where life is more cheap and sex performance is much better, after years and years spent in Cambodia.

Over all, quite fun if people thinks I'm a liar. Strange, because dozen users wrote about the huge difference between a Hottie handsome youngish man who can get the best beautiful girls in a sec, and any other kind of fun (threesome. 4some, slaves).

Anal, as much a 4some with 4 models, is correlated on

1 your luck to find a girl available.

2 you're a hottie, and young.

3 she go crazy for you.

To be honest, I'm not that much rare lucky man. I have a lot of friends who have the same kind of girls and fun I wrote on my post, on daily basis. What's wrong with my post? PP have hundred of prostitutes, and I paid my service. I paid my sub, I paid my GF (just on our first 3some).

When you have money and you pay a service, bro, limits are only in your mind.

Cheers!

Marrow

[QUOTE=Marrow;1152719]Well, not my problem if people is having difficult to take a motorbyke and drive straight on a stupid bridge, and open his eyes, looking around[/QUOTE]Huh? Go on the bridge and it's there? You're still full of BS.

It seems people are saying that you're full of shit for your dubious reports of your conquests. People might THINK you're full of shit, but I know you ARE full of BS due to your stated facts which are incorrect.

[QUOTE=Marrow;1152719]Does it deserve, when street 70 is full of young hotties?[/QUOTE]Huh? St 70 full of young hotties? Please tell us where (with correct facts) , and I will apologize, and all will be forgiven. LOL!

[QUOTE=Makara; 1151574]Heard the price went up, one shot 20, bar fine 5, and compulsory 3usd drink for lady if you want to take her out, and 5 USD room across the street. Is that true?

Two years ago only 20 straight forward.

Makara[/QUOTE]Yes that is correct.

The girls will ask for $20 for ST. They should accept $15.

Bar fine is $5 for ST and $7 for LT. I believe they will ask for $40 for LT; you should be able to get it cheaper.

The owner added the mandatory $3 lady's drink (note the girl gets $1).

And the cost of the room; the ST room across the street should be $5.

Posters have complained about the talent. Many are ugly, but 2 or 3 are decent, IMO. But all should agree that the girls are good performers. Personally, I would rather have 2 5's who will do everything I say, rather than 2 7's that are lousy.

It was even better 7 or 8 years ago. The talent was much better, a lot more raunchy downstairs, and it was only $10 which included the room upstairs. The good old days.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1152785]I had taken couple of my pick ups from the 104 bars to the casino. Although I was playing $10 blackjack, They thought I was rich.

However they enjoyed the visit haveing never went there. In fact both the girls thought they would not be allowed to enter and tried to discourage me into going to the casino. I assured them not to worry. I guess it is the communist mentality of the government brainwashes them that all the people are not allowed everywhere. [/QUOTE]Actually, the security guard will not let in local girls if they are not dressed correctly; the security guard will ask the girl to show some money in her purse (to prove that they have enough money to gamble).

Not sure about local men; didn't see the security guard reject any.

Of course, barangs are allowed to dress like shit. I'm assuming that girls (no matter how they are dressed) , will be allowed in if accompanied by a barang?

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter;1152813]And if one should hesitate, just pull her head down and fill her mouth, over. Easy.[/QUOTE]I would halfway feel guilty if I did that. Only halfway. LOL!

It's generally true what a previous post stated. It seems that many of the girls will allow you to do things that are painful to them. But they will make a grimace face and accept it. The Asian girl knows you paid a lot of money for her. Example: If you deeply finger the girl, most of the girls will allow it. In the US, the Asian Massage working girl will cry bloodly murder and yell, no finger.

This is my limited knowledge of these establishments. Some of it is old info (a few years). Feel free to add or correct my write-up.

1) Beauty Salons / Barber Shops: On Kampuchea Krom near the Central Market, there's that street with many upscale Beauty Salons (good places to get a $2 haircut) ; they offer haircuts and the works (ear cleaning, nails, massages etc). I was told that in some of the places, the girl will offer extras during the massage (the massage is done in the back). Check out International or the place next to it?

On that same street, there's a beauty salon which has way too many girls in it. My new driver tried to take me there even though I told him to stop at my regular shop. Probably for a commission? That place looked promising.

Near St 63 on a street perpendicular to it, there is a beauty salon. I was told by my driver that there was a brothel in the back. Did not confirm.

2) Local Massage Places: I've seen couple below the Japanese bridge, and a few around the Toul Kork area (maybe on St 70). You will see a cheap sign that states,"Massage 5000 riels". Now with inflation that sign might state a higher number. Never visited those places; this is what I was told. The local guy will not get sex for $1. 25. The 5000 riel gets you a massage out in the open. If you want extras, you need to go behind the curtain and negotiate a tip for extras.

3) On the other side of the city (crossing the Japanese bridge) , there are upscale local restaurants with live entertainment. This was what I was told. Some of the girls (beer girls or waitresses) will be available.

4) On the other side of the city (crossing the Japanese bridge a little further away) , there are shack restaurants over the water where the waitresses are available (but the girls were ugly). This definitely was a local scene; this place is away from the city; nice cars out in front. It seems that the place serves multiple purposes. It is a restaurant; food is decent at a good price. Local men can bring their mistresses; you can rent either a room in front or you can rent a private boat with driver for an hour to go around the island; I believe it was $6 or $7 for an hour; extra charge if you want to turn on the music. Actually, the ride around the island is a nice scenic tour. If the locals don't have anyone, the waitresses are available.

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1152813]Just an hour ago, one in the night, leaving a particular freelancer nightspot here in PP, was joined talking by two girls on the way out and by reaching my bike they wanted to jump on to have some fun with three. I declined. However, I often do take two, and it is very very easy. And they do have fun between the two of them, its just a matter of who you know here, and if they know you. In fact, in this city you can get a threesome or more if you like anytime you want, its that simple. But they must know you a bit. So for a tourist it might be more difficult.

On the issue of pictures, well, the girls that come here in my house don't like it at all. They are very very weary of being put on the internet these days. I assume that those who are on Meth or other stuff won't have much problem with it for five bucks more.

You might ask why I declined this threesome. Well, very simple, I do know these two long time from face, but have never fucked any of the two, so I just do not know who / what they are, but I have a suspicion that one of them is on Meth, so. No.

Blowjobs, I myself have NEVER experienced a no in this country on this, so for me it is quite difficult to understand where the reports come from that say you can't get a blowjob here? Very strange. And if one should hesitate, just pull her head down and fill her mouth, over. Easy. [/QUOTE]I agree with you. There's an art to getting your way with the girls. Women in general will tend to do what you want in the bedroom if you are confident and take control. I'm not saying force them, or anything like that, but I certainly don't think it's a good idea to ASK out loud if you can do X or Y. For a start, a verbal request gives them time to think about it and of course refuse, and most women do not want to admit that they will do X or Y, as they don't want to be perceived as 'slutty'. I generally just go ahead and try it. Gently but firmly. If they really don't want to they will say so, and I will usually let it drop after that. From experience most will give a blowjob this way, about half will let you TRY anal (with at least half of those refusing it after a while because of pain. They won't relax no matter how many times you tell them if they relax it won't hurt).

Taking pictures is also a bit of an art. Again I won't ask them out loud, but just try and introduce it as a bit of naughty fun. From experience it seems the best approach is not to draw too much attention to the camera (but certainly don't try to conceal it somewhere. That's a recipe for disaster). The exception to this is girls who are shameless nympho types. With them it's just easy to go full porno style.

Out of curiosity what's your concern with girls who are on meth? Is it disease, or the thought that they might steal, or the possibility that they will go crazy or something? I personally don't really care, and from experience at least half of them are on it to some degree or other so refusing on that basis would seriously limit your options. I WOULD say no to a girl who takes drugs intravenously, because she is that much more likely to be HIV positive, but as meth is generally smoked and not injected, IMHO it does not pose much of an HIV risk.

I suppose one downside is that a girl who is addicted to meth can sometimes be in a hurry as she will want to go out and get her next fix. That can be annoying.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1152785]There are many pretty girls to be had at Naga Casino. They do not gamble. Usually they hang out discretely at open places. Obviously they are looking for gamblers staying in the hotel. I saw one guy picked up two girls and went into the elevators. I was talking to one asian gambler and he said the girls charge $30 ST.

I had taken couple of my pick ups from the 104 bars to the casino. Although I was playing $10 blackjack, They thought I was rich.

However they enjoyed the visit haveing never went there. In fact both the girls thought they would not be allowed to enter and tried to discourage me into going to the casino. I assured them not to worry. I guess it is the communist mentality of the government brainwashes them that all the people are not allowed everywhere.[/QUOTE]Technically, Cambodians are not allowed to gamble in Cambodia's casinos. This is consistent with the government's (or at least Hun Sen's) approach towards gambling. It's there to milk the foreigners and not Cambodians (fair enough I say). Of course, this rule is not going to be universally enforced. And maybe it is ignored completely. Not sure. With the girls I suspect it's either some sort of commission system with the guards (I. E. The girls have to pay the guards a cut in order to freelance around there) or perhaps a desire to keep the riff-raff (I. E. The cheaper-looking working girls) out.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1153046]This is my limited knowledge of these establishments. Some of it is old info (a few years). Feel free to add or correct my write-up.

1) Beauty Salons / Barber Shops: On Kampuchea Krom near the Central Market, there's that street with many upscale Beauty Salons (good places to get a $2 haircut) ; they offer haircuts and the works (ear cleaning, nails, massages etc). I was told that in some of the places, the girl will offer extras during the massage (the massage is done in the back). Check out International or the place next to it?

On that same street, there's a beauty salon which has way too many girls in it. My new driver tried to take me there even though I told him to stop at my regular shop. Probably for a commission? That place looked promising.

Near St 63 on a street perpendicular to it, there is a beauty salon. I was told by my driver that there was a brothel in the back. Did not confirm.

2) Local Massage Places: I've seen couple below the Japanese bridge, and a few around the Toul Kork area (maybe on St 70). You will see a cheap sign that states,"Massage 5000 riels". Now with inflation that sign might state a higher number. Never visited those places; this is what I was told. The local guy will not get sex for $1. 25. The 5000 riel gets you a massage out in the open. If you want extras, you need to go behind the curtain and negotiate a tip for extras.

3) On the other side of the city (crossing the Japanese bridge) , there are upscale local restaurants with live entertainment. This was what I was told. Some of the girls (beer girls or waitresses) will be available.

4) On the other side of the city (crossing the Japanese bridge a little further away) , there are shack restaurants over the water where the waitresses are available (but the girls were ugly). This definitely was a local scene; this place is away from the city; nice cars out in front. It seems that the place serves multiple purposes. It is a restaurant; food is decent at a good price. Local men can bring their mistresses; you can rent either a room in front or you can rent a private boat with driver for an hour to go around the island; I believe it was $6 or $7 for an hour; extra charge if you want to turn on the music. Actually, the ride around the island is a nice scenic tour. If the locals don't have anyone, the waitresses are available. [/QUOTE]If this kind of post with vague info about rip-off massage places vietnamese style (Who understood where in the hell are the places Greenbud wrote, make me a whistle) , where you have to fight for a BJ, and with same price of a Cambodian pussy ST, is the kind of post you was asking me, well, let me laugh a bit, bro.

I'm done here. This forum doesn't have any rule.

I will follow the suggestion of my good friends here, looking the general attitude of this forum, and the growing amount of losers who prefer to flame than admit to be just a loser old man unable to find a decent pussy younger than 35y with poor performance, LOL. I will let you all enjoy this forum of fake info and trolls. No time to waste here.

Enjoy Cambodia, guys! (Clubs and Bars, not the jail, LOL)

Farewell,

Marrow

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1152998]If you are the old man who get just old fat girls 1 man 1 girl, bro, I can't help.

Quite interesting. Before I am a sick liar for Camboblowshooter, next post he was going to have the same experience. Eww, hahahaha.

Still not clear, I'm not the stupid tourist of the day? LOL.

Simple reason. She is a rare diamond, the only sub I ever met in Cambodia. I didn't post picture of her on purpose, as I never do of any jewel I have and I will never do. I don't want to make her life more tought, meeting a pervert. She beg me to not make her any picture, too, talking abut internet and picture of her online. As you see, partially my choice, partially her one. Who I respect. Much more, she is pregnant, on 3rd month now. So, sorry bro, forget her.

As I wrote dozen times, I don't share pictures or names or phone number with the best diamonds.

And my orgy GF, she's a newbie. She was partnered for 2 years with an old serious man, who just got found fucking an other girl, and later others too, something broke her heart. She was working as a cook all her life. A normal good girl. She start to work because angry of him. Funny story, because she offered him threesome dozen times, he answered her "I don't have power for it". Well, I have it, hehe.

True, my hope was to get a double BJ, during the threesome. Sadly, the girl said "I do all", but she didn't. Reason because when I was with 3 girls for a 4some, I tried to substitute her. Failed hope, but at least the 2nd toy did the BJ, with my GF.

Who really read my post, not interested on flame, know I left Cambodia for an other much better country, where life is more cheap and sex performance is much better, after years and years spent in Cambodia.

Over all, quite fun if people thinks I'm a liar. Strange, because dozen users wrote about the huge difference between a Hottie handsome youngish man who can get the best beautiful girls in a sec, and any other kind of fun (threesome. 4some, slaves).

Anal, as much a 4some with 4 models, is correlated on

1 your luck to find a girl available.

2 you're a hottie, and young.

3 she go crazy for you.

To be honest, I'm not that much rare lucky man. I have a lot of friends who have the same kind of girls and fun I wrote on my post, on daily basis. What's wrong with my post? PP have hundred of prostitutes, and I paid my service. I paid my sub, I paid my GF (just on our first 3some).

When you have money and you pay a service, bro, limits are only in your mind.

Cheers!

Marrow[/QUOTE]Believe me, Marrow, I neither want nor need you to post the contact details of the girls here. I am quite capable of finding my own, and it would seriously surprise me if I don't already know the girls you are talking about anyway. Phnom Penh is a small town, and people have to try hard NOT to know everything about other people's business. The mongering scene is even smaller. And this isn't a boast or a claim to be a sexual god. But I can't set foot in the normal pickup places without knowing at least maybe 1/3 of the girls there at any one time. This is simply because I have lived in PP for a while, am always looking for girls, and the girls tend to get around, not because they think I'm a superstud or some other equally ridiculous reason.

Frankly, and I am not trying to flame you or whatever here, you write like someone with a fragile ego, and who uses the mongering experience to prop it up. The girls tend to recognise this also, and will use it to control a punter. If she thinks you're susceptible to flattery, she'll use it to her advantage. It's easy to get into a kind of feedback loop this way, if you allow yourself to believe your own, and the girls' BS. The girls are working, mate. They have lots of other customers, and just because they will ***** about their ex-bf to you, or talk about some other personal details, doesn't mean that they're enamoured with you or that you're the player of the year. They might even be having a fun time around you, they might even enjoy the sex, but don't let it get to your head.

Also, you strike me as a little inconsistent in your storytelling. First you ask to take pics of the girls, and they give you a strong refusal, and then upon being pressed about the issue, you say it's a mutual decision, with you acting out of the goodness of your heart and concern for the well-being of the girls. Which is it mate? If you had any moral qualms about it you wouldn't have even tried to take any pics, and you clearly did ask because you say you did. Now, finally when many have called you out on your claims, instead of backing them up you back down, which is a fairly good sign that someone was lying to start with.

I don't doubt you did what you say you did, because there is nothing remarkable about it, but I seriously doubt that the girls were anything special or that they think you're a love god as you seem to believe, or that you're anything except another punter to them. But if you, for some reason, need to tell yourself differently, then go ahead. Just don't be surprised if others tend not to accept it at face value.

[QUOTE=Marrow;1153126](Who understood where in the hell are the places Greenbud wrote, make me a whistle) ,[/QUOTE]You're a retard! You are clueless on what's written on the post.

[QUOTE=Marrow;1153126]I'm done here. This forum doesn't have any rule.[/QUOTE]The last time you left after the staff erased most of your posts, you said you wouldn't be back. But you came back. I hope this time you mean it. Good riddance. This forum doesn't need fakes.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1153172]You're a retard! You are clueless on what's written on the post.

The last time you left after the staff erased most of your posts, you said you wouldn't be back. But you came back. I hope this time you mean it. Good riddance. This forum doesn't need fakes. [/QUOTE]Opposite, my pathetic troll. I know this places much better than you and your "few years ago" knowledge. And they are exactly what I wrote. Rip off places for pathetic BJ, rarely a quickie with pathetic performance (when luckly LOL). God, you and your romantic boat trip. But hey, wait, I forgot your business. With a PM, things will change surely. I really hope this places are not the "smart" kind of places you seems to love.

P. S. Some other people here is still wondering why someone like you who travel in Cambodia 1 week per year, spend so much time writing here.

I really look forward on your next trip to Cambodia (expecially some "friends") *grins*

This is the last post, don't worry! I understand! Business is business!

Cheers!

Marrow.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1153172]This forum doesn't need fakes.[/QUOTE]This is the most funny thing you ever wrote, I admit haha.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1153046]1) Beauty Salons / Barber Shops: On Kampuchea Krom near the Central Market, there's that street with many upscale Beauty Salons (good places to get a $2 haircut) ; they offer haircuts and the works (ear cleaning, nails, massages etc). I was told that in some of the places, the girl will offer extras during the massage (the massage is done in the back). Check out International or the place next to it?[/QUOTE]I checked out International. Nice haircut for $2 but I ended up upgrading to the ear cleaning, nails and etc $6 + $1 tip. No massage though, I asked them in Chinese and they said they don't do it. Maybe the one next door does. Across the street (north side) , there is one salon with a sign that says beauty salon and massage but that place was closed. Don't know if it's open at night or if it is just out of business.

If anyone has more info would like to hear.

As for what folks have said about st. 70. I went into two of those cheap massage places. 5,000 Rhiel and etc 10, 000 Rhiel. I went in thinking how bad could it be. I went in the room, look around and said thank you and walked out. They didn't stop me. They were actually kinda surprised I was there to begin with.

[QUOTE=Sabretongue; 1153154]Believe me, Marrow, I neither want nor need you to post the contact details of the girls here. I am quite capable of finding my own, and it would seriously surprise me if I don't already know the girls you are talking about anyway. Phnom Penh is a small town, and people have to try hard NOT to know everything about other people's business. The mongering scene is even smaller. And this isn't a boast or a claim to be a sexual god. But I can't set foot in the normal pickup places without knowing at least maybe 1/3 of the girls there at any one time. This is simply because I have lived in PP for a while, am always looking for girls, and the girls tend to get around, not because they think I'm a superstud or some other equally ridiculous reason.

Frankly, and I am not trying to flame you or whatever here, you write like someone with a fragile ego, and who uses the mongering experience to prop it up. The girls tend to recognise this also, and will use it to control a punter. If she thinks you're susceptible to flattery, she'll use it to her advantage. It's easy to get into a kind of feedback loop this way, if you allow yourself to believe your own, and the girls' BS. The girls are working, mate. They have lots of other customers, and just because they will * about their ex-bf to you, or talk about some other personal details, doesn't mean that they're enamoured with you or that you're the player of the year. They might even be having a fun time around you, they might even enjoy the sex, but don't let it get to your head.

Also, you strike me as a little inconsistent in your storytelling. First you ask to take pics of the girls, and they give you a strong refusal, and then upon being pressed about the issue, you say it's a mutual decision, with you acting out of the goodness of your heart and concern for the well-being of the girls. Which is it mate? If you had any moral qualms about it you wouldn't have even tried to take any pics, and you clearly did ask because you say you did. Now, finally when many have called you out on your claims, instead of backing them up you back down, which is a fairly good sign that someone was lying to start with.

I don't doubt you did what you say you did, because there is nothing remarkable about it, but I seriously doubt that the girls were anything special or that they think you're a love god as you seem to believe, or that you're anything except another punter to them. But if you, for some reason, need to tell yourself differently, then go ahead. Just don't be surprised if others tend not to accept it at face value. [/QUOTE]Your post, surely deserve an answer.

About first part of your post about you know the girls I met, well, I'm sure of it. You're living in PP, and the girls I was talking about, works on popular places. So yes, you surely know them or saw them multiple times. And maybe fucked too.

About feelings, I agree and I know perfectly, they are pro liars, who just play the game. But talking about the orgy GF, she is a newbie for real, who worked all her life as a cook. As a proof, I can add more details.

Basically, she start to work 1 week before our first meeting in Walkabout. She know all the girls working, just because her ex boyfriend was a customer of this places. When they start their relationship, obiouvsly on nighttime they was having some fun, going to dance or drink a beer. She is bisexual, so obiouvsly happy to go into places full of hotties, and if possible find a good one for a 3some with her ex boyfriend. Sadly, he was so asshole to not use this gift, and instead of enjoy a 3some, he was always answering "I don't have power for it". Hard to believe, till when I saw him. An old man, maybe 55- 60 years. Fit her story about power, hehe. 30 minutes after our first meeting, I saw him, drinking into Walkabout, she told me was him. He go there every day, so he can follow her ex gf and what she do. Taking care if her customer is not an asshole or a pervert. Their bond and trust is strong, I saw, and felt it. I saw him on our second meeting too, again in walkabout, then in darkness, when I was hanging around with 3 girls. She explained him all about me and what we do. When I saw him less suspicious about me, handshake and a smile was his permission to have fun with her. It was a 2 year relationship, he gave her a lot of help, and was a relationship based on love. He tried to give her 25 bucks for a medical visit, she refused, angry,"I don't need anymore your help. If I need money for the hospital, I can find a customer for 25$". Exactly the amount I gave her after our 3some. I didn't pay a service, she just needed them for the hospital. On our second meeting, when she organized a 4some, I didn't pay her at all. I just paid our toys. Basically our 3 days relationship was (I suppose cannot be different) just an open couple relationship, with orgies, swinger, and any other sex game possible. A sex based relationship. Clear for both. No love involved for both, more over than a bond, a pact between a man and a woman who clearly understood their "role" inside a relationship. She was going to join me on the plane, when I was leaving Cambodia, and have some sex around with new girls of other nationalities. I refused, just because too much busy this month. This doesn't means she don't want to join me, later. She tried to show me multiple places where I could rent a house and have some fun with her in PP. Fun, not a service. But I don't want to live again in PP, oh please. By the way, he only girl I would pay, is our toy. As I said, she's a normal girl. She didn't even try to take any advantage, or extras. Nor steal a cent, as much I was sleeping with her into her house, after our 4some.

That's all.

And I'm sure you know me enough, Sabre, reading my posts. I'm surely a great pro monger, handsome blah blah, but same time not a heartless motherfucker.

Reason because either a working girl hope to be "the one" for me, and stop this work, be a wife, have a family.

As much I agree with you. Sadly, most of them "play the game", a life of lies. Reason because I will never marry a prostitute. They are all the same, everywhere in the world. Just a newbie. 18 years, maybe, could be different. Sometimes. Rarely.

Abour pictures, I invite you to read again my post!

The girl I will never post any picture, is the pregnant girl. The anal sub. Obiouvs reason.

Instead, I was trying to take some pictures of our 3some and 4some. But in both cases, our toys start to complain when I took the camera, yelling me to put it back immediately. As much, like someone wrote few post ago, I tried to put it as a naughty game, they start to talk about it, one of them start to mention internet and privacy and police troubles, other girls got scared, so my desire was fucked up.

Nothing special, my post, nor different from what I was doing every day in PP. Same fun a lot of friends is having, actually, on daily basis.

Obiouvsly, all my friends are like me. Youngish men, handsome, quite sexy body, horny dogs but gentlemen.

Gentleman, makes a huge difference, dealing with girls, prostitutes or not.

This post is a clear proof of what makes a huge difference, between the typical old man who hang around Walkabout, Martini, Hod, and a model-like customer. Expecially if not married.

I hope this post will shut the mouth of some flamers. Useless hope.

Farewell.

Marrow

[QUOTE=Marrow; 1153569]Your post, surely deserve an answer.

About first part of your post about you know the girls I met, well, I'm sure of it. You're living in PP, and the girls I was talking about, works on popular places. So yes, you surely know them or saw them multiple times. And maybe fucked too.

About feelings, I agree and I know perfectly, they are pro liars, who just play the game. But talking about the orgy GF, she is a newbie for real, who worked all her life as a cook. As a proof, I can add more details.

Basically, she start to work 1 week before our first meeting in Walkabout. She know all the girls working, just because her ex boyfriend was a customer of this places. When they start their relationship, obiouvsly on nighttime they was having some fun, going to dance or drink a beer. She is bisexual, so obiouvsly happy to go into places full of hotties, and if possible find a good one for a 3some with her ex boyfriend. Sadly, he was so asshole to not use this gift, and instead of enjoy a 3some, he was always answering "I don't have power for it". Hard to believe, till when I saw him. An old man, maybe 55- 60 years. Fit her story about power, hehe. 30 minutes after our first meeting, I saw him, drinking into Walkabout, she told me was him. He go there every day, so he can follow her ex gf and what she do. Taking care if her customer is not an asshole or a pervert. Their bond and trust is strong, I saw, and felt it. I saw him on our second meeting too, again in walkabout, then in darkness, when I was hanging around with 3 girls. She explained him all about me and what we do. When I saw him less suspicious about me, handshake and a smile was his permission to have fun with her. It was a 2 year relationship, he gave her a lot of help, and was a relationship based on love. He tried to give her 25 bucks for a medical visit, she refused, angry,"I don't need anymore your help. If I need money for the hospital, I can find a customer for 25$". Exactly the amount I gave her after our 3some. I didn't pay a service, she just needed them for the hospital. On our second meeting, when she organized a 4some, I didn't pay her at all. I just paid our toys. Basically our 3 days relationship was (I suppose cannot be different) just an open couple relationship, with orgies, swinger, and any other sex game possible. A sex based relationship. Clear for both. No love involved for both, more over than a bond, a pact between a man and a woman who clearly understood their "role" inside a relationship. She was going to join me on the plane, when I was leaving Cambodia, and have some sex around with new girls of other nationalities. I refused, just because too much busy this month. This doesn't means she don't want to join me, later. She tried to show me multiple places where I could rent a house and have some fun with her in PP. Fun, not a service. But I don't want to live again in PP, oh please. By the way, he only girl I would pay, is our toy. As I said, she's a normal girl. She didn't even try to take any advantage, or extras. Nor steal a cent, as much I was sleeping with her into her house, after our 4some.

That's all.

And I'm sure you know me enough, Sabre, reading my posts. I'm surely a great pro monger, handsome blah blah, but same time not a heartless motherfucker.

Reason because either a working girl hope to be "the one" for me, and stop this work, be a wife, have a family.

As much I agree with you. Sadly, most of them "play the game", a life of lies. Reason because I will never marry a prostitute. They are all the same, everywhere in the world. Just a newbie. 18 years, maybe, could be different. Sometimes. Rarely.

Abour pictures, I invite you to read again my post!

The girl I will never post any picture, is the pregnant girl. The anal sub. Obiouvs reason.

Instead, I was trying to take some pictures of our 3some and 4some. But in both cases, our toys start to complain when I took the camera, yelling me to put it back immediately. As much, like someone wrote few post ago, I tried to put it as a naughty game, they start to talk about it, one of them start to mention internet and privacy and police troubles, other girls got scared, so my desire was fucked up.

Nothing special, my post, nor different from what I was doing every day in PP. Same fun a lot of friends is having, actually, on daily basis.

Obiouvsly, all my friends are like me. Youngish men, handsome, quite sexy body, horny dogs but gentlemen.

Gentleman, makes a huge difference, dealing with girls, prostitutes or not.

This post is a clear proof of what makes a huge difference, between the typical old man who hang around Walkabout, Martini, Hod, and a model-like customer. Expecially if not married.

I hope this post will shut the mouth of some flamers. Useless hope.

Farewell.

Marrow[/QUOTE]Now this seems like honest writing at last.

Oh dear, this forum has really gone downhill lately with all the shit flung around.

I have been in the bars a lot lately and I have to say that most of the girls are not liars but simple country girls trying to survive.

They nearly all want marriage and kids, thats all.

If one can speak khmer then the girls are fine, most are not greedy or grasping and being typically khmer are very conservative about sex.

Of course there are many 5000 or 8000 riel places but you get what you pay for, if you are allowed in the door.

There are viet coffee shops near the port where there are blow jobs for $5 still, but I wouldn't go there.

I have recently met a nice little girl at the WA who is rarely there and stays at home, full service with a smile, exceptional service in fact.

I have met a bar girl who is unusually beautiful and clever but is very choosy, she could have wrapped me around her little finger but never lied and didn't want my money.

Last night I went to sizzlers for the first time in over a year, only a few girls there early but couple of sweeties-I will be back later tonight.

Sixty nine bar has consistent lovelies but the young beautiful ones are hard as nails, I may try 104 tonight and top ten.

Could we have more bar reviews here and less sniping, its not the room for an argument-is it?

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1154385]Oh dear, this forum has really gone downhill lately with all the shit flung around.

I have been in the bars a lot lately and I have to say that most of the girls are not liars but simple country girls trying to survive.

They nearly all want marriage and kids, thats all.

If one can speak khmer then the girls are fine, most are not greedy or grasping and being typically khmer are very conservative about sex.

Of course there are many 5000 or 8000 riel places but you get what you pay for, if you are allowed in the door.

There are viet coffee shops near the port where there are blow jobs for $5 still, but I wouldn't go there.

I have recently met a nice little girl at the WA who is rarely there and stays at home, full service with a smile, exceptional service in fact.

I have met a bar girl who is unusually beautiful and clever but is very choosy, she could have wrapped me around her little finger but never lied and didn't want my money.

Last night I went to sizzlers for the first time in over a year, only a few girls there early but couple of sweeties-I will be back later tonight.

Sixty nine bar has consistent lovelies but the young beautiful ones are hard as nails, I may try 104 tonight and top ten.

Could we have more bar reviews here and less sniping, its not the room for an argument-is it? [/QUOTE]I must admit Cambodian ladys have change a lot now, even the vietnamese, but theres still good mongering to be had in cambs.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1101919]The place is crab and some of the girls their also but if you wait and have the time from time till time you can find some pearls into this place as well.

Was there for the first time in August and had some nice hours late afternoon, a lot of fun playing pool and took also some young (20ish) girls too my hotel for the other fun part.

Some weeks ago I visited again, downstairs overloaded with people (in my view more long time stayers / expat people than tourist like me) and a large popularity of girls (more older than the youngsters that I saw in August). Did, over 3 days not found what I like to take out. Last week I was again in PP and to WA. More or less the same as last time.

On a certain evening (late, after 12 midnight) I played some round of pool with girls upstairs and on a certain moment I was alone on the balcony drinking and smoking. A 25+ girl, max 40 kilo approached me and asked if I would like to take her out. My spontaneous reaction: first see if you can win 3 rounds of pool from me and then you get your price!

Not sure (influenced by alcohol) if she or I won but I took her to my hotel (hotellandscape. Com – on the riverside). Upfront we discussed the price (US $20 for short time and if I wanted to take pics she wanted $10 extra).

Had some rounds of fun with her and kicked her out after around 1, 5 hours, took many pictures but on a certain moment she said 'pictures only for you not for the internet', well that is what I have too respect for that reason only some pics where you can't recognize here).[/QUOTE]Hi somwehere. Was she a vietnam girl? She looks familiar to a hottie I met there in December as well. Any more pics that you can share. Cheers

Hi guys, firstly thank you for all the infos you have posted here, it was very useful for me to learn more about the P4P scene here in Phnom Penh. I just settled here for my job 2 months ago and will probably stay few years. I used to live in China and Malaysia before and enjoyed the massage parlor and local brothel action there. However, I have difficulties finding such local action in Phnom Penh. My khmer is not very elaborate right now but okay to understand and talk a little with the girls.

Firstly, I noticed you guys mentioned the brothels along Sisowath, next to the Japanese Bridge. I went there last week, stopped by one of the houses with girls in front. All the houses had signs reading (in khmer only but one of the few things I've learned to read so far)"Massage 5000R". One girl (very average looking) took me to a back room and started massaging me. After few minutes she told me I could fuck her for 15$. After bargaining (knowing the prices you guys mentionned on the thread) , went down to 25. 000R. But she told me we couldn't fuck there and we had to go to a very close place with my moto. Then, things turned weird. She started making phone calls and told me a man would come and pick us up and take us to his house where I could fuck her. She said I could leave my moto in front of the brothel along Sisowath and only had to give 5000R to the guy for taking us to his place. I figured out this was strange and fearing being stolen (especially for the moto) , I refused and left. The next day, I went to another place next to the previous one where again they advertise Massage 5000R in khmer. This time, the girl massaged me and when asking her if she could do something with my cock she answered "ot baan tee" like she could not do such things here. So I figured maybe I had mistakenly went to a wrong place (maybe a local massage parlor and not a brothel). Thus, could you guys tell me how it works in these brothels near the Bridge? Do you fuck them inside the house or need to go out like she told me? Are these house advertising Massages or are these other places (massage parlors) having nothing to do with the real brothels? Thanks to your infos, I will be able to go back there and give you a full report.

Moreover, I noticed you guys don't talk to much about Tuol Kork on the thread. I drive there often and noticed at night many girls standing along Street 273 waving at the motos. Most of them are ugly but some are fuckable. I haven't seen much going on on Street 70 actually. Many restaurants but not many girls from what I've seen. Most of the doable firls stand along St. 273, right before the perpendicular street 608 when you drive from the Antenna to the Chroy Changvar circle. There are each time 5 to 10 girls there but never had the courage to stop. The area is dark, there aren't many people around except young guys hanging out (and being creepy). Since I don't see houses around, I guess you need to take them to guesthouses to fuck them. However, I heard about the infamous Tuol Kork brothels many times but never managed to see any. Are there located on Street 273 or Street 70 themselves or are there in perpendicular streets (such as Streets 608 or 80)? Do you think it is self to park the moto there or will some guys rob it while I'm fucking the girl? Again, if you can help me on that, I will gladly go there soon to report.

Finally, I saw you talked of Paris Hotel in the thread. I've been there few times. It's safe and clean but not very good and pricy. The massage center is on the 2nd floor, opened afternoons and evening until 11pm. They have a fishbowl arrangement with from 15 to 30 girls depending on the days. The massage is $5 / hour and then the girl will ask you $20 to fuck her. They don't want to bargain and know how to play with your cock in order to force you to accept their prices but I managed to go down to $15 once. Maybe you guys will be better trained in hardcore bargaining. However, it's overpriced knowing she will refuse BJ and just open her legs and wait for you to finish. The customers are mostly rich locals or Asian tourists (Chinese, Korean) so very few barangs and almost no english skills. Not the best place but good if you look for discreet and safe fucking.

[QUOTE=Primerib;1153375]I went into two of those cheap massage places. 5,000 Rhiel and etc 10, 000 Rhiel. I went in thinking how bad could it be. I went in the room, look around and said thank you and walked out.[/QUOTE]You're more adventurous than me; I haven't been inside to any of the local massage places.

[QUOTE=YouPornFan; 1156187]Firstly, I noticed you guys mentioned the brothels along Sisowath, next to the Japanese Bridge. I went there last week, stopped by one of the houses with girls in front. All the houses had signs reading (in khmer only but one of the few things I've learned to read so far)"Massage 5000R".

Then, things turned weird.

So I figured maybe I had mistakenly went to a wrong place (maybe a local massage parlor and not a brothel). Thus, could you guys tell me how it works in these brothels near the Bridge? Do you fuck them inside the house or need to go out like she told me? Are these house advertising Massages or are these other places (massage parlors) having nothing to do with the real brothels? Thanks to your infos, I will be able to go back there and give you a full report. [/QUOTE]It seems you went to the wrong place. The brothels will not have signs that says "Massage". If you go south couple of blocks from the local massage places along the riverside, you will see houses (the bottom unit) with ugly girls out in front. I think it's obvious during the daytime.

I've only been to one of the houses; it had rooms in the back and upstairs. A few years ago, there was a "diamond in the rough" (extremely rare). It was a young pretty skinny Vietnamese girl (she usually had a red dress on). Do any of you guys remember her? I haven't seen her around; she was very good in all aspects.

[QUOTE=YouPornFan;1156187]I used to live in China and Malaysia before and enjoyed the massage parlor and local brothel action there. However, I have difficulties finding such local action in Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]Have you tried St 63? It's better than the brothels below the Japanese Bridge.

[QUOTE=YouPornFan; 1156187]Moreover, I noticed you guys don't talk to much about Tuol Kork on the thread. I drive there often and noticed at night many girls standing along Street 273 waving at the motos. Most of them are ugly but some are fuckable.

The area is dark, there aren't many people around except young guys hanging out (and being creepy).

However, I heard about the infamous Tuol Kork brothels many times but never managed to see any. Are there located on Street 273 or Street 70 themselves or are there in perpendicular streets (such as Streets 608 or 80)? Do you think it is self to park the moto there or will some guys rob it while I'm fucking the girl? Again, if you can help me on that, I will gladly go there soon to report. [/QUOTE]Never been to Tuol Kork during the night time; good info on the SWs. As always, one must be very careful with SWs.

Several years ago, Tuol Kork was infamous as a brothel area for locals that was dangerous. Now things aren't as dangerous anymore in Phnom Penh, but I still will be careful in dark areas with creepy locals.

The brothels that were open in the main street are not there anymore. That area is being developed. There might be stuff that is not on the main drag. You probably can hire a transport driver to take you to those places.

But I would recommend you spend a few bucks more and go to St 63, or spend $10-$15 more and go to Martinis.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1156628]Have you tried St 63? It's better than the brothels below the Japanese Bridge.

But I would recommend you spend a few bucks more and go to St 63, or spend $10-$15 more and go to Martinis. [/QUOTE]Thank you very much GreenBud for the advice. I will surely follow it and try to go on Street 63. I went there few times but actually didn't notice the brothels. From what I've read here on the forum, barangs are not very welcomed there anymore and I guess that's maybe why noone tried to get me to enter in one of the houses there last time I was walking by. I will however try again very soon although I'll be extra careful with the robbery issues. Just one question: what are the operating hours of these St. 63 brothels?

[QUOTE=YouPornFan;1156703]Thank you very much GreenBud for the advice. I will surely follow it and try to go on Street 63. I went there few times but actually didn't notice the brothels. From what I've read here on the forum, barangs are not very welcomed there anymore and I guess that's maybe why noone tried to get me to enter in one of the houses there last time I was walking by. I will however try again very soon although I'll be extra careful with the robbery issues. Just one question: what are the operating hours of these St. 63 brothels?[/QUOTE]Recent posts suggest that St 63 is open and accepting barangs.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but this poster wrote down the location of St 63:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?937-Phnom-Penh&p=1150632&viewfull=1#post1150632[/url]

Not sure of the operating hours; I've only been there a few times during primetime (in the evening).

To find out the locations of any area, I would suggest you hire a moto-dope (or a tuk tuk) for couple of hours. Make him drive around and show you all the brothels.

If you live there, it probably would be a good idea to know some trusted local drivers (hard to find though, but if they know they can't rip you off, they will treat you decently).

I think that the massage places opposite the port do say massage 500 riel and I think that you do fuck the girls on site.

A tuk tuk has told me that the next street south has viet coffee shops with viet girls but one must know them to get any action.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1156817]Recent posts suggest that St 63 is open and accepting barangs.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but this poster wrote down the location of St 63:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?937-Phnom-Penh&p=1150632&viewfull=1#post1150632[/url]

Not sure of the operating hours; I've only been there a few times during primetime (in the evening).

To find out the locations of any area, I would suggest you hire a moto-dope (or a tuk tuk) for couple of hours. Make him drive around and show you all the brothels.

If you live there, it probably would be a good idea to know some trusted local drivers (hard to find though, but if they know they can't rip you off, they will treat you decently). [/QUOTE]I was in PP last week and one afternoon was on the back of a moto going to the WA. Was being flagged down about halfway between Sihanouk and WA. I'd suggest to just take a walk on that stretch and see what happens.

Just an update about these brothels near the Japanese bridge. Indeed, they are the places saying "Massage 5000R" although some don't have any sign. I stop at the one right on Sisowath, right after you passed street 80 when coming from Russey Keo. Many girls (not really good looking though). One came up to me so went with her upstair. This place had no sign so I didn't knew how much was 1 hour massage to start with. She said 10. 000R, the price I usually place at local massage parlors although most other places around are at 5000. However, I accepted and laid down on the matress on the floor (real dirty and nasty place, worse than usual local parlors, the mattress was covered with all bunch of unidentified stains.). After half an hour massage, she noticed I was getting horny and announced the menu: 10000 more for HJ. 20000 for BJ and 40000 to fuck (she went down to 30000 when I told her that it was too expensive). I went for the BJ, not too great, she seemed really disgusted when performing it. However, I got to empty myself which was the initial goal. Next time, I'll just ask BJ directly and won't waste time with the massage. I just needed to confirm these places were indeed brothels and not just massage parlors. I must also mention other brothels are established on street 80, in the first houses near the Quay. The prices are probably around the same. 7.5$ for sex but very surely negotiable down to 6$ or maybe even 5$. About the girls, they are probably all country girls freshly arrived from the province. Most of them look young but don't have neither make-up nor sexy clothes and of course don't speak a word of english. Just the usual Khmer girls you'll see at the local markets selling fruits or vegetables. I should also mention again how the place is nasty and ran down but that's the local touch I guess. If you here on vacation, you should definitely try one of these places once just to get the local experience.

I know need to try the Street 63. Have been there several times around 8-9pm but couldn't see any place looking like a brothel. I will try again very soon at the locations described earlier on the forum. If you guys know a specific house let me know. Moreover, if some of you know about the vietnamese coffee shops around town. I saw a couple with tainted glass and purple neons outdoor. The girls inside are hot and look like hookers. However, everything is written in vietnamese and no barangs are around so I was wondering what was the "procedure" in such places (do you get a BJ while enjoying a coffee?).

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1157085]I think that the massage places opposite the port do say massage 500 riel and I think that you do fuck the girls on site.

A tuk tuk has told me that the next street south has viet coffee shops with viet girls but one must know them to get any action.[/QUOTE]Although I have not yet been to any of those coffee shops, it looks quite easy to me to go inside, order an (awful) vietnamese coffee. And see how things develop. When nothing happens, go back the next day, make sure you have a newspaper, or something else to read with you, and I suppose as soon as you enter the shop, the girls will recognize you and will probably a lot more friendly and open to you. Business is business, also for the Viets in PP.

The coffee shops that offer the extras are not the ones you are talking about. They are just a few shops back from the riverside in the same area as the brothels that you just mentioned.

They look like a few small tables out front or inside (about 4) with 4 chairs around each. The Coffee well I like it, cafe sua the or cafe sua nong. Filter coffer with condensed milk either hot or with ice.

Order a coffee and talk with the older lady in the shop a few minutes and boom boom will come up with one of the girls then follow her upstairs to a similar grotty mattress.

[QUOTE=YouPornFan; 1156187]H.

Moreover, I noticed you guys don't talk to much about Tuol Kork on the thread. I drive there often and noticed at night many girls standing along Street 273 waving at the motos. Most of them are ugly but some are fuckable. I haven't seen much going on on Street 70 actually. Many restaurants but not many girls from what I've seen. Most of the doable firls stand along St. 273, right before the perpendicular street 608 when you drive from the Antenna to the Chroy Changvar circle. There are each time 5 to 10 girls there but never had the courage to stop. The area is dark, there aren't many people around except young guys hanging out (and being creepy). Since I don't see houses around, I guess you need to take them to guesthouses to fuck them. However, I heard about the infamous Tuol Kork brothels many times but never managed to see any. Are there located on Street 273 or Street 70 themselves or are there in perpendicular streets (such as Streets 608 or 80)? Do you think it is self to park the moto there or will some guys rob it while I'm fucking the girl? Again, if you can help me on that, I will gladly go there soon to report.

[/QUOTE]Toul kok aka la rue des petites fleurs has totally change in the last 6 years. Wood shack brothels has been demolished, the dusty road is now almost an higway. During phnom penh golden age Toul kok catered mostly khmer girl and svay pak viet girl. It was my favorite place since I prefered Khmer women instead of viet girls. Now the scene is very limited and the area is "work in progress". The 2 viets brothels in a street accross street 70 has never accepted barang, many brothels open at night but at midnight everything is closed. By the way if you have find sisovath brothels rough expect the same quality here too.

So for answerring your questions.

-you can bonked the girl in her room or rent a room for short time around 5000 riels for 2 hours.

-park your moto outside and tell her goodbye before. Why you think Cambodian guy entered directly in the brothels with their moto. Use padlock too.

- Unlike some reported in this forum Toul kok was never been dangerous during the day. Mamasan was efficient and pro. ; at one time it was not recommanded to venture in toul kok by night. Not because of the girls, but due drunk khmer guy. At that time most of them had gun.

BTW I don t recommanded you to go in 63 street brothels with more than just 10 dollars in your pockets. From many years most of them are well know for robing their customer. Most of the brothels in 63 street are behind Big A supermarket. You have the red cross office too. Of course most of them has remove the massage sign. But at night you can pink neon inside and big come in / out from khmer guy. Last point the service is not what it used to be. Many girl denied BJ be very clear with the mamasan about girl service.

Also be really carefull with street girls like those at street 63 / street 154. Most of the time their wanker boyfriend will try to robbed you. Hun sen park girls are reputated for such kind of problems too.

-Anyway you don t need to ventured in the street surrounding street 70. Brothels I used to know has simply been reconverted into cafe. You need to be very attentive for recognized them (Shadow6491 provided good advice)

Few brothels remained at the entrance of street 70. Another small bunch after the curve crossing the rail tracks on your left side the street 273 like you mentioned.

Just one point short time is 5 dollars. Don t paid more. But give her a good tip if you re satisfied. Coming with motodop will cost you 15 to 20 dollars.

I think you have made a good investigation already and have all the keys for having good time in this place. Just be more adventurous and confident

Ps for one of your old question.

What are the operating hours of these St. 63 brothels?" in general khmer guy like to bonked early between 7 to 10 pm. Brothels stay open around midnight-1 am.

As I having benefited from the reports over the years. Time to replay a little back I hope.

I should mention that my usual mongering is done in Dubai, so any comparisons are made generally with the scene there.

Arriving in PP was easy, small airport. Remember to bring some photos with you and $20 for the Visa.

I had been offered an airport transfer free from the hotel, so it seemed pointless not to use it. Transfer to the city is $7 according to signs at the airport.

Mistake #1.

Arriving in a strange place, I always get some money from an ATM at the airport. And here in PP was no difference. The ANZ ATM machine accepted my card and then asked me how much I wanted. I assumed that this was in the local currency. So I pushed the 500 button. And out popped $500 US Dollars! So I am now a good target for thieves. Very clever I thought. Ok, let's get some of these $'s into local currency Mistake #2. Swapping $200 US got me 800K rien, which in 10, 000 rien notes became a massive pile. So I have got too much cash, and I've made it more difficult to carry. Pretty good going I thought for 20 minutes in a new country.

Moving into the hotel, I went for a recce. And using the excellent Maps provided free in the hotel, soon found Walkabout, Flamingo, and Black Cat. Having had 10 hours of flying, I had a look in the bars so see what the action was like. Whilst there were some girls there, it was very quiet indeed.

A good nights sleep and then off exploring.

Night #2.

Starting at 8pm, I had a walk around the same area as the previous day, and ended up sitting down watching the football in Walkabout. Where I got chatting to a Vietnamese girl. Mid 30's nice rack, who knew more about the Premier League than Alex Fergerson I think! Quite a few local girls (8-12) ranging from 4-6, but frankly Walkabout is rather too dark and feels a little rough. Anyway the Viet girl was fun to chat with. She quietly told me that she can do a massage. 10 minutes later it became a "sexy massage". I was tempted but she wanted $35 ST and $50 LT. I rather suspect she was a ST specialist, and was going to try to be back before the 2nd half of the match had kicked off.

More girls in Black Cats, none in Flamigo's, several standing outside PitStop (did not go in as they had no other customers).

Day #3.

Having been out all day, I stopped in Black Cats for some food early afternoon. As it is open 24 hours a day (same as walkabout) I thought there was going to be some action. The food was good, and the cold beer welcome. But the girls there were just happy to chat, and there was no pressure. So I assumed that they were just beer girls (I. E. Keep you in the bar for drinking but not FL or available for Bar Fine. I was wrong. You can Bar Fine the girls. $5 is the BF I believe ). Again 2-3 Viet, as well as 2 local girls. But it was 2pm in the afternoon.

Feeling the need to have some fun, my reliable Tut-Tut driver took me for a massage. Although his exact words were "massage boom-boom". We stop outside an hotel and I am pointed inside. I rather confused ask at the front desk for massage, and the guy hands me a plastic folder where I can pick the girl of my dreams. Apparently 2 spoke good english, of course I decided to try something that looked a little nicer. Paid and waited 5 mins for the lady to appear then up to a room.

Normal. If rather tired / shabby hotel room. Showered then massage. Which surprisingly was good. She then asked would I like a happy ending. After eventually understanding the word "tip". We proceeded to have a happy ending.

Name:?

Look: 5/10.

# :?

Cost: $15 room+massage.

Tip : $2.

Rpt : No

Day #4.

Busy during the day as usual, but in the evening went to Martini's. Arrived at 8pm, just as a thunder storm had finished. Initially I was disappointed. It was dark, dingy and felt a little unsafe; Had a Pizza ($6) and just watched the place fill up. Moved to the bar area where I could see the girls playing pool. And there were some much nicer looking girls here. After 30 minutes was approached by tall local girl called Lee, which seemed to be dragging her friend with her. I assumed it was because one of them did not speak english. So I was really surprised when she asked "You want both of us". Yes please.

Realizing I had been ripped off the day before, I cautiously asked how much after some swift negotiating and beer drinking we were off to a 1 hour hotel close by.

In the room, we all went for a shower, and these two women started chattering away. And were quite giggly. The tallest one Lee who initially had caught my eye was very thin, not my usual, her friend Annie (?) was smaller, had nice boobs / body. They always work together I understand.

We all Jump on the bed, and one starts giving me a BJ as the other is licking me all over. After a few minutes I can tell I will come quickly if they carry on like this. So we have a break. Time for some more negotiations. Lets's make this a 2 shot in 1 hour deal. After a little bartering. We carry on.

The tall one decided she will go first, so on me she jumps, as her mate is licking me. For the next 5 minutes we have a great session. These girls work well together, I soon unload.

Shower, recover and 15 minutes start again. Except that the smaller one after discussing "size" with her partner is not sure she wants to walk like a cowboy as her friend is apparently doing. So lots of licking etc. And several minutes later we are all done.

Names: Lee / Annie.

Look : 6/10, 6/10.

Cost : $50 plus $5 hotel.

Tip : 0.

Rpt : YES.

Hope this is of some help to fellow newbies to PP.

I have tried two different girls, one Vietnamese, one Cambodian for 15 USD total short term. A moto-driver organized the girls (probably from street 63) and I went to an 5 USD rent per hour place that wasn't too bad.

The Vietnamese (around 20 years old, slim) first did a worthless massage for five minutes. After that she struggled to get the condom on. She started to complain when she realized that my Willy is larger than average, refused any sex and went out of the room with a disgusted face.

The moto-driver fortunately got me most of the pay back and told me that I should try a Cambodian instead. The Cambodian (around 20 years old and slim) also insisted her 5 of 15 USD share in advance. Now I got at least so far to try to get my Willy inside of her, but she quickly got annoyed because of the size and also refused to have sex and left with a disgusted face.

Now I am really wondering if there is anything behind this beyond a rip-off tactic. My size is 18 cm in girth and 20 cm in length and my European girlfriends all were able to take it after a little bit of a struggle and enjoyed it. I am also not unattractive. 30 years old and have a fit body, so they definitely didn't get disgusted by my appearance.

Would this not have happened if I did not pay them in advance? However they both insisted persistently for me to do so.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1159595]Terrible problem. Maybe you should be the one that is charging.[/QUOTE]Well I am serious about it. They made it appear really believeable that penetration was out of the question for them.

Hopefully I will have better luck next time, but I really would like to know if I should just insist on payment after the service.

Which is the name of the hotel?

Can you help us?

[QUOTE=Sun And Sand 3; 1159354]Feeling the need to have some fun, my reliable Tut-Tut driver took me for a massage. Although his exact words were "massage boom-boom". We stop outside an hotel and I am pointed inside. I rather confused ask at the front desk for massage, and the guy hands me a plastic folder where I can pick the girl of my dreams. Apparently 2 spoke good english, of course I decided to try something that looked a little nicer. Paid and waited 5 mins for the lady to appear then up to a room.

Normal. If rather tired / shabby hotel room. Showered then massage. Which surprisingly was good. She then asked would I like a happy ending. After eventually understanding the word "tip". We proceeded to have a happy ending. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouPornFan; 1158486]Just an update about these brothels near the Japanese bridge. Indeed, they are the places saying "Massage 5000R" although some don't have any sign. I stop at the one right on Sisowath, right after you passed street 80 when coming from Russey Keo. Many girls (not really good looking though). One came up to me so went with her upstair. This place had no sign so I didn't knew how much was 1 hour massage to start with. She said 10. 000R, the price I usually place at local massage parlors although most other places around are at 5000. However, I accepted and laid down on the matress on the floor (real dirty and nasty place, worse than usual local parlors, the mattress was covered with all bunch of unidentified stains.). After half an hour massage, she noticed I was getting horny and announced the menu: 10000 more for HJ. 20000 for BJ and 40000 to fuck (she went down to 30000 when I told her that it was too expensive). I went for the BJ, not too great, she seemed really disgusted when performing it. However, I got to empty myself which was the initial goal. Next time, I'll just ask BJ directly and won't waste time with the massage. I just needed to confirm these places were indeed brothels and not just massage parlors. I must also mention other brothels are established on street 80, in the first houses near the Quay. The prices are probably around the same. 7.5$ for sex but very surely negotiable down to 6$ or maybe even 5$. About the girls, they are probably all country girls freshly arrived from the province. Most of them look young but don't have neither make-up nor sexy clothes and of course don't speak a word of english. Just the usual Khmer girls you'll see at the local markets selling fruits or vegetables. I should also mention again how the place is nasty and ran down but that's the local touch I guess. If you here on vacation, you should definitely try one of these places once just to get the local experience.

I know need to try the Street 63. Have been there several times around 8-9pm but couldn't see any place looking like a brothel. I will try again very soon at the locations described earlier on the forum. If you guys know a specific house let me know. Moreover, if some of you know about the vietnamese coffee shops around town. I saw a couple with tainted glass and purple neons outdoor. The girls inside are hot and look like hookers. However, everything is written in vietnamese and no barangs are around so I was wondering what was the "procedure" in such places (do you get a BJ while enjoying a coffee?).[/QUOTE]Must admit I've never found it in a coffee shop, as for the attractive ladys outside, some places cater for rich Cambodians, as far as I know unless anyone knows other wise.

ok, just got back from two st experiences on the samdach sotheaeros blvd, close to the russian embassy. i got the girls from some moto guys who also appear to be in charge of some massage parlous there. logic dictates that it's more likely that you get young and attractive girls from guys with similar attributes.

there are at least two places where you can rent a fairly clean room with ac for 5 usd per 2 hours.

the first girl was attractive, slim and 20 years old. this time i only gave 5 usd in advance and said to pay 10 usd after the service. she already had a positive attitude on the lift and this continued in the room fortunately. first she did some licking all over the body, which was quite pleasurable. kissing was a no-no at first but this quickly became okay when we started with the action. this time it only took five minutes to get inside (yippee) with the help of some lube and we both had great fun for an full hour of non-stop action in all positions, which she genuinely enjoyed.

the only problem was that she indicated (no english) that she had a little pain due to my size, but only after we both were exhausted fortunately.

gave her a 5 usd tip, which made her happy of course. she continued with a lot of kissing on her own and urged me to call her number later.

i should mention that i didn't have an orgasm by choice, which is also often my intention with girlfriends because you can and want to go on much longer. you (or me at least) can accomplish this without the help of expensive drugs. all i need is some cheap topical lidocaine, which doesn't sacrifice any pleasure for me at all.

the second girl an hour later was really short, claimed to be 20 years old as well, had a mediocre face but had really great boobs. she was a lot more shy than the first girl and also didn't have the same good attitude but some fooling around broke a bit of the ice. it took quite a while to get inside because of her small statue. the kind of deep breathing that she tried to suppress indicated that she was really enjoying it. she only allowed missionary and stopped after around 35 minutes with the indication to have some pain. masturbated me for another 10 minutes or so without an orgasm, which was the end of the story. no tip of course, but i still got some smiles and giggling out of her on the way back to the lobby.

conclusion: my second day was much better than the disaster yesterday even though the size appears to be a bit of a general problem here.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1159873]Glad you got in, Sake. How big were those boobs, please?[/QUOTE]More than a hand full and firm. Don't know what cup size though.

BTW, I am going to get an apartment here for about a year or so and my plan is to find a girlfriend that also helps with the kitchen / cleaning. I guess the best places to find this are the well-known bars around town, but I really hate to go to such places. A Cambodian girl would have some practical benefits over a Vietnamese but I wonder if there are many around with decent English skills.

So what do you guys say would be the best tactic to find a girl like this? Should I just ask some hookers with the outlook of some award to find me a girl that is interested? Is there a monthly fee going to be necessary beside the apartment, food, etc?

I think I am honest when I say that I am a very easy-going person who always tries to make a girl happy (without getting exploited of course) and is handsome in the eyes of most girls. So please drop me a line in case you have a contact on hand or something.

Gentlemen

Are there any 'fish bowl' places in PP other than the ones at Paris Hotel and Sakura Hotel?

The strip on sothearos before the Russian embassy is lined with massage places.

It is for koreans mostly I think.

Must explore there more.

As for the live in, the rates start at about $300 a month but pretty bar girls want $500-bugger that.

I had a live in for a long time, a really beautiful khmer who was happy with $300.

Don't forget that mama always wants $100 a month.

But khmer girls are often lazy, they don't want to cook or clean, especially bathrooms.

I put up with the laziness for sometime but it gets you in the end.

There are many girls in the bars who are just simple country girls and will leave the bar if you seem to want to look after them.

But it gets complicated pretty soon with family problems health, debts etc.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1161410]But khmer girls are often lazy, they don't want to cook or clean, especially bathrooms.

I put up with the laziness for sometime but it gets you in the end.

[/QUOTE]Sounds pretty much like my ex-wife (No, she was not Khmer) , and I know what you mean, except I had to put up with this for several years before I said enough was enough. Cut the ties and never looked back.

Shark

Good on ya sharka.

I had the trophy wife for a few years, but I hate laziness.

Khmers are lazy fuckers.

Are there any good bars for afternoon pickups? Or just the usual haunts?

[QUOTE=Sean Casey;1162503]Are there any good bars for afternoon pickups? Or just the usual haunts?[/QUOTE]I fear that the usual haunts are the only thing for afternoon pickups. Walkabout has a couple of girls starting around 2pm. Then, just the usual girlie bars such as Candy (24/7) and Sharky's, opening at 4pm. You also have Dream Bar that opens at 3pm and has a lot of girls. However, the bar fines at $10 in these places just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off.

You can also think of the local brothels on Street 63 (open from noon I think but beware of the girls stealing your valuables) , the local brothels / massage places on the northern portion of Sisowath Quay (no hygiene but cheap fuck, opening around noon also) as well as the fishbowl places. For example, the Paris Hotel fishbowl opens at noon and offers a lot of girls (20 to 30 depending on the days). The price is a little high though, $5 for massage and then $15 to $20 for the shag. In my opinion, for afternoon pickups, the best is still the Walkabout where you don't have to pay a barfine and where you can get the girls for $12-15 (never managed to get down to 10 but it seems possible from what I've read on the forum).

[QUOTE=Sean Casey;1162503]Are there any good bars for afternoon pickups? Or just the usual haunts?[/QUOTE]Same question in 2 threads! I can't answer about PP since I only go there once every couple yrs or so (and never did find what you're after) but am curious why you're focused on afternoons.

Actually I bet some here will recommend Walkabout. I prefer to head out when the scene is in full bloom in the evening and latenight. Better choices. But we all have our preferences.

[QUOTE=Sean Casey;1162503]Are there any good bars for afternoon pickups? Or just the usual haunts?[/QUOTE]I was going to reply to this but Youpornfan posted (above yours) what you need to know.

Also Getting $10 at Walkabout is not hard especially in the afternoon when most mongers are still asleep and very little action going on. Later in the evening when the gals are more in demand will be harder.

Shark

i arrived several days ago. met up with a couple of friends. bar hopping in a group sure beats going solo. the pontoon club is a stone-throw away from walkabout. it is currently tied with heart of darkness has the best pickup disco. decoration-wise the pontoon is a bit more upscale, but both serve the same clientele.

i'm happy to report that price-wise, it has not gone up by much. possibly as a result of the increased fl traffic, the quality of walkabout during the wee hours (after 3/4am) of the morning has definitely improved. so if one has struck out all night, there might be a pleasant surprice at the walkabout for $15 st.

interesting incident at candy bar last night. i saw this young thing there last night. i was told she doesn't go out with customers. but i don't give up easy, especially when the drinks are cheap. so i kept buying shots for her and eventually she was tipsy enough to let me barfine her. i don't doubt that she could be drunk. arrived at my hotel and she passed out on my bed. i had to attend to some urgent business messages and so i just let her sleep. after 30 minutes i was done with work i went to her and started to remove some of her clothing. i'm not a lawyer but i remember there was a recent [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] case about a drunk wife (or ex-wife) and the consent issue. well, i simply kicked her out of the room with zero dollars obviously. then i went to walkabout and picked up a lt for $20. and she was a good fuck.

spaceman

AlLostInSpace13, you are a real gentleman.

Pontoon much better venue than the HOD.

Girls like st tropez as well.

Not a good story about the candy bar, these girls are human beings.

Guy sounds like a ****.

Anyone been to Martinis recently? Does it still have 5 or 6 nice looking Viet girls who dance in the disco area?

Gentlemen:

I plan to stay in Kep for 2 weeks in July, just to relax.

Should I bring my PP girlfriend, or are they available in Kep?

Thanks for any advice. I was unable to find anything after a search (RTFF).

Thanks, Bule2004

"Not a good story about the candy bar, these girls are human beings. '

My thoughts exactly Phil. I guess my sarcasm did not come through with my comment.

No PG, your sarcasm did not come across at all.

As for kep, no bars and no girls.

Two weeks is a hell of a long time to spend in kep.

You must have some woman.

Kep is not in PP, by the way. OTHER PLACES!

If you are going to be in PP for whatever reason, browse this thread and see if you can still find something worthwhile. If you are thinking of coming to PP (or anywhere in Cambo) specifically for girls, don't bother : it's rubbish now. Once it became popular with 'regular' tourists, the P4P trade (for foreigners, at any rate) has been squeezed out to please the NGOs and the fat ugly cheapskate backpackers. If you can afford the higher prices, stick to BKK, Pats and AC for your naughty pleasures. Just my opinion of course.

[QUOTE=Yiddo;1167339]IF you are thinking of coming to PP (or anywhere in Cambo) specifically for girls, don't bother : it's rubbish now. Once it became popular with 'regular' tourists, the P4P trade (for foreigners, at any rate) has been squeezed out to please the NGOs and the fat ugly cheapskate backpackers. If you can afford the higher prices, stick to BKK, Pats and AC for your naughty pleasures. Just my opinion of course.[/QUOTE]Fat, ugly cheapskate backpackers, oy. Sometimes it looks like all of tel aviv has turned up.

once in a while i see people here comment that khmer sex workers don't give blowjobs. i've actually not found that to be true. i sometimes ask them ahead of time, but sometimes don't. when we get to the bedroom i've never had one who didn't. even when they're not really into it they'd at least do so briefly. the issue isn't whether or not they're willing, but whether or not they're any good at it. the vast majority of them seem to have no clue on how to pleasure a man with their mouth. i'd say the girls at lcc are a bit more talented in this department than at other places.

recently, i've actually found it useful to ask ahead of time if they are _good_ at giving blowjobs. surprisingly, their answers seem to be accurate. i've also done the pinky swear thing that was suggested here and it seems to work as well.

another thing i read here occasionally is that all the girls at walkabout are on speed / yama / ice. i think it's a common thing there, but it's hardly true to say that *all* the girls there are spun out on that stuff. i've met a few walkabout girls who tell me they don't do drugs, and i believe them. i've put a little thought into how to spot the ones on speed. i think you can tell by their behavior and checking to see if they have any meat on their bones. girls with a little tummy (not actually obese or fat) are less likely to be spun out on yama.

I always ask the girl about the BJ.

Some are horrified by the act, others are lukewarm when performing.

Two nights in a row this week I didn't ask and was rewarded with great performances including CIM.

I recently spent a week in PP. I returned to PP because I was attracted by the charming people. The p4p scene in PP, however, leaves much to be desired. Hostess bars are disappointing in getting you laid, consistently. They do a good job in getting you drunk and buy lots of lady drinks along the way. So if you're with a bunch of buddies and want to have fun then, yes it's great, but if your prime objective is to find the best looking hostess and copulate with her that evening then, it's not a sure thing.

FL action is also hit and miss at places like Heart of Darkness or Pontoon, not all the good looking ones are FL's, although I had scored at HOD on a previous trip. That being said your chance of scoring would be back to 100% if you stick to Walkabout and Sharky's, but Walkabout girls get boring after a while.

I still had fun in PP. The lovely coffee shops, with the too rich coffees. Central market. Russian market. But mongering seems to have taken a hit.

While the people are great, I would probably make PP a shorter stopover on my next trip, just to meet up with the friends and other people that I've come to know from my previous trips, and save the mongering to Bangkok or Pataya. I've been told that Siem Reap has got some actions too.

Spaceman

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1168142]I recently spent a week in PP. I returned to PP because I was attracted by the charming people. The p4p scene in PP, however, leaves much to be desired. Hostess bars are disappointing in getting you laid, consistently. They do a good job in getting you drunk and buy lots of lady drinks along the way. So if you're with a bunch of buddies and want to have fun then, yes it's great, but if your prime objective is to find the best looking hostess and copulate with her that evening then, it's not a sure thing.

FL action is also hit and miss at places like Heart of Darkness or Pontoon, not all the good looking ones are FL's, although I had scored at HOD on a previous trip. That being said your chance of scoring would be back to 100% if you stick to Walkabout and Sharky's, but Walkabout girls get boring after a while.

I still had fun in PP. The lovely coffee shops, with the too rich coffees. Central market. Russian market. But mongering seems to have taken a hit.

While the people are great, I would probably make PP a shorter stopover on my next trip, just to meet up with the friends and other people that I've come to know from my previous trips, and save the mongering to Bangkok or Pataya. I've been told that Siem Reap has got some actions too.

Spaceman[/QUOTE]If you think PP is hit and miss Well take a deep breath as SR is much more miss than hit.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1168141]I always ask the girl about the BJ.

Some are horrified by the act, others are lukewarm when performing.

Two nights in a row this week I didn't ask and was rewarded with great performances including CIM. [/QUOTE]Freelancers will always do it, anyone know any good porn sites, PM me if you do thanks.

rep001hing report on ngo's in cambodia, this in mainstream online press (slate. com) :

[url]http://www.slate.com/id/2296334/pagenum/all/#p2[/url]

Have somebody been in the CASA Hotel in Pnom Penh? Is it girlfriendly?

Still good. But much more expensive than Pattaya, if this is the only thing you came here for.

[QUOTE=Fridolino;1172061]Still good. But much more expensive than Pattaya, if this is the only thing you came here for.[/QUOTE]Would you say that Street 104 is more expensive than Pattaya? Come on! Beers for 1. 50. 2.00 dollars and LD's for 3 dollar. BF $ 5. And don't discuss money o beforehand with the girls. Just give them 20 dollars + 1 for mototaxi in the morning. Do they insist to leave after one pop, just kick them out with 10+1 dollar. That is the going rate in Street 104, except in for the Rose Bar crew who think they are goddish.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=Titanio; 1172286]Would you say that Street 104 is more expensive than Pattaya? Come on! Beers for 1. 50. 2.00 dollars and LD's for 3 dollar. BF $ 5. And don't discuss money o beforehand with the girls. Just give them 20 dollars + 1 for mototaxi in the morning. Do they insist to leave after one pop, just kick them out with 10+1 dollar. That is the going rate in Street 104, except in for the Rose Bar crew who think they are goddish.

Have fun![/QUOTE]Hi Guys,

I have lived in Thailand for a few years now, and have stopped over to Phonm Penh a few times now and find it great. I do find some of the pricing funny, howver I think this is to the clueless ngo' s tosding around money. I can only say I never pay more than 20 for long time, and I don't do short time just seems like you overpay. I have picled up many at the price quoted above, and have also had many walk away. Plenty of gems, I think patience is the key.

The most I have been quoted was 50, which came down to 30 after 3 beers, which I then walked away from. It' s a matter of principle for me. Know what you are going to pay and stick to it. I must admit I am not a prince, but then again I am not a slob as well.

I notice most ofthe Vietnamese ladies are asking for the higher prices. I only frequent freelance so this is probably the reason for the price differences.

So all in all I find pp much cheaper than Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Fridolino;1172061]Still good. But much more expensive than Pattaya, if this is the only thing you came here for.[/QUOTE]To Fridolino.

No way PP is much more than Pattaya this is a shit hole of town everything is cheaper, I like Pattaya much better nice mall and more thing to do, if you paid the airline ticket and the visa that will cost you more about the same better off just stay in Pattaya.

Fast Eddie 48

Hi I'm new to this forum, was thinking about a trip to Cambodia so have been reading this forum, I've been mongering in Thailand / phills / kenya for years always thought of Cambodia as poor mans sex tourist! You get the picture, now raading this forum I see why lot of quotes about lookin for 2 dollar shags, and don't pay more than 10/15, are you guys that hard up? My friend is on the ground there now and he reports back that if you pay motto man Good money then middle man same there is still good fun to be had, I've read lots about K11 as to what is going on there, with many people saying it open it closed I think the latter is true, after some quick research on the Net I saw report about the effects of the closure of SP, and how all 22 brothels have relocated, and now they are run by proper Pimps not 12 year old boys, dogooders won't get near them now! NGOs and yanks thimk job done but have just pushed it underground, Cambodia was an easy target for them, with all the upheavel there, they keep well away from india / burma where the problem is far worse! September I will arrive in Cambodia, not sure if ill be cheap charlie or pay good money for good time! Is 63 street worth alook mixed reports on here about it, or the CF near the Japp dridge, lots of people on about the good old days in Cambodia, my friend says they are still there you just av to look and PAY GOOD MONEY!

Happy days. Silvo

Why would you trawl around K11 or st 63 or the port.

The girls are ugly as fuck.

Martini and the walkabou are still the go or if you want to spend more there are heaps of pretty girls on pasteur at my lien and K bar.

Bar 136 had a few very pretty girls last night as well.

Spent a few days in PP this month. Here's my take on what I found this time around, predominantly daytime activity:

Candy Bar. Looking and feeling a bit tired. I enjoyed my last visit and time here but, really, it's a bit of a drag now. Shame really. Girls are more interested in talking among themselves and trying to score drinks from you than any form of interaction. While there were a couple of tempting options, nothing really grabbed me so didn't return after the first day.

Dream Bar. Has been quite good in the past with some inhouse and external options. But again, just lacking something. No real sense of fun involved and I swear the girls are getting bigger and bigger.

Sugar. Hate to say it, but what a dive! Dropped in one evening. I was literally the only customer. The bloke who seems to run the joint is the grumpiest bastard I have ever seen, treats his girls terribly and just whinges about everything. Not conducive. One gorgeous girl (Po / Pou?) was entertaining for the evening but the overall atmosphere did it for me. Didn't return.

Walkabout. The old favourite. I consistently find myself having good times here, of all kinds. It's just a fun place to hang out. Fooling around, playing pool, getting some action if you feel like it. I disagree that the girls get boring. There are so many of them. Young, older, short, tall, skinny, fat. Take your pick. On a negative note, there was talk this time of a bit of ice being done, which while not unexpected is not cool in my book. I went in often in the mornings for coffee as I stayed nearby. BlueTongue next door does very good coffee that is delivered to you in WA. The whole pay as you go thing gets annoying so hold your ground and pay when you have finished. I managed this each time I visited. I spent time mostly with Janto and Mom. Janto is all 'business' really. Which gets old after a while. Mom was pure good fun. Although, no matter who you speak to, the old "I need to pay for my room." sob-story comes up. Ignore it. One thing I did note. A few of the girls have very good dental work (including Mom) and this is not cheap. Clearly these girls are not broke. Save charity for the real poor people.

And just another note. I tend to ignore the cheapskates in this forum. You get what you pay for and what you pay is according to the value you or I put on it. If I am having a genuinely great time, that's worth something. And I'm happy to voluntarily pay something extra. Each to their own.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1173839]Why would you trawl around K11 or st 63 or the port.

The girls are ugly as fuck.

Martini and the walkabou are still the go or if you want to spend more there are heaps of pretty girls on pasteur at my lien and K bar.

Bar 136 had a few very pretty girls last night as well.[/QUOTE]To Phil.

I agree that K11 is no where like the good old day before the raid, all this newbie that never been to PP just read about it don't know shit about Cambodia and think there is still actions here, NGO is still around to bust monger looking for young girl so you provert should stay away, even PP is no way as good as it was 10 yr ago when Quality is much better and cheaper.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1174032]To Phil.

I agree that K11 is no where like the good old day before the raid, all this newbie that never been to PP just read about it don't know shit about Cambodia and think there is still actions here, NGO is still around to bust monger looking for young girl so you provert should stay away, even PP is no way as good as it was 10 yr ago when Quality is much better and cheaper.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]My friend is in PP now he reports aving great time, he had no problem tracking down the brothels that relocated fron K11 to PP, A fea bucks and he had the info, reports not much dogooders / NGOs about, he loves the Wild West feel about the place, went doon the port girls desperate there offer of 2 dollor shags so CCs head for there! Can't wait to get there.

Silvo

I have read the reports but not found the answer to my questions. Your help please.

Are the Naga Casino and the FCC Boutique Hotels visitor friendly?

Cheers.

Shayman

I agree with Qseau about walkabou.

So many different girls day and night, sometimes awful other times excellent.

Naga is definetly girl friendly and probably FCC.

Don't give FCC your money, please.

Only a few boutique hotels not GF.

Thanks for your assistance Mr Istine. I will not darken the doors of the FCC.

Shayman

[QUOTE=Shayman; 1177474]Thanks for your assistance Mr Istine. I will not darken the doors of the FCC.

Shayman[/QUOTE]I am curious. Why do you fault the FCC? I have enjoyed staying there and find they have an excellent bar and restaurant.

Docwjw.

Mr Istine was kind enough to provide advice and I have chosen to follow his advice. Perhaps your question should be directed to him not me.

Shayman

Dear folks,

I am a Canadian. Coming to Phnom Penh tomorrow Friday, staying for one night at Hotel Cambodiana and leaving on Saturday evening.

So basically, I have only one night.

I am an active contributor on many other forums. Check my posts on Dubai Forum.

I have few questions for the great winning folks around here.

- Is Hotel Cambodiana GF? Can I take 2 or 3 girls to my room that night?

- Would you recommend I call the service in or should I go and hunt out and bring my hunt to the room?

- I am looking for really stunning girls. I have read through the posts that perhaps Martini, the walkabou, Bar 136 and pasteur at my lien and K bar.

- If I would like to call in, what options do I have?

- If I would go out and hunt, what options do you recommend?

Are these good choices? Or do you recommend other choices?

As usual, I will never ever forget any favour and I always return the favour back to my friends wherever I go.

Cheers,

Jimmy

Hello, folks,

I trust everyone is doing well.

I am a Canadian, visiting Phom Penh. Check my posts at Dubai Forum.

I am staying at Hotel Cambodiana.

Is Hotel Cambodiana GF? Can I take 2 or 3 girls there?

Is it better to order service in or should I go and hunt out?

If order service in, what are my options?

If hunting out, what are your recommendations?

As usual, I always return the favors and reward my friends.

Have a Great Day.

Cheers,

Jimmy

I am trying to track down a girl I met on a previous visit called Yen she was on the chubby side with big tits an fuzzy hair although not a looker she loved having sex and

Would go wild in bed, I picked her up at Rose Bar but she didn't work there she was attending a party. If anyone can help I would be very grateful

Is the CASA Hotel in PP girlfriendly?

Do you mean Rachel?

[QUOTE=Riverstar; 1179079]I am trying to track down a girl I met on a previous visit called Yen she was on the chubby side with big tits an fuzzy hair although not a looker she loved having sex and

Would go wild in bed, I picked her up at Rose Bar but she didn't work there she was attending a party. If anyone can help I would be very grateful[/QUOTE]

I know a similar girl named Rachel, didn't work in a bar.

Big smile, dark, chubby, big tits and fun.

If you think its her then message me and I will send you a pic to confirm.

[QUOTE=Riverstar; 1179079]I am trying to track down a girl I met on a previous visit called Yen she was on the chubby side with big tits an fuzzy hair although not a looker she loved having sex and

Would go wild in bed, I picked her up at Rose Bar but she didn't work there she was attending a party. If anyone can help I would be very grateful[/QUOTE]

Hello folks,

I trust everyone is doing well and is having fun.

I am leaving today and I thought I owe it you to write my report.

This is my 1st report in Cambodia.

I) Hotel Cambodiana

Absolutely GF. Very Green. No issues, No constraints and No questions asked. I walked in with 3 lovely girls and I walked straight to the elevators with the 3 girls. I can see the smiles on everyone's faces

For the record, I am a good tipper so previously, I have tipped almost everyone in the hotel from the door-boy to the receptionist. I did not have too but this is my style whenever I go to a new hotel the 1st time.

II) Research and Plan for the night.

After searching this forum and doing on-ground research; including asking drivers, locals, hotel personnel among others, I had a plan for the night starting with Sharky.

III) Sharky.

I started with Sharky. I was at Sharky at around 10:00pm

Crowded with Girls; all type of girls; from below average girls, to average girls to above average to really beautiful girls.

I took my time analyzing the crowd, searching for my type; the skinny ones with gorgeous faces, sexy figures, sexy feet, legs, tits and assets.

I spotted 2 stunning young girls playing the Billiards.

I approached them and after greetings and small chat, I asked them if they would like both to come to my hotel. I did not offer them any drinks. Just went for it directly

They said ok. How much? I said how much you want? They said $30 each. I said ok. I did not even bother to negotiate. I did not want to spoil the moment. I wanted them to be in the right mood.

On our way out, one of them, the youngest one; said let me get my mobile from my friend. I spotted her friend, she was stunning as well. I told her she can bring her friend as well. She laughed and replied. Can you handle 3 girls? I said why not, let's have fun.

Accompanied with 3 beautiful young girls, they are all native Cambodians, we headed together to the hotel, their ages are 21, 22, 26.

We took shower together and I noticed they have some hair on their pussies. I offered to shave them because I do not like hair and I showed them my body with no single hair; anywhere on my body. Except for the hair on top of my head.

After shaving and showering. We went for the 1st round.

2 of them were really GF with true GF experience from the French kissing to the full oral licking and sucking experience both ways but the 3rd is only oral one way, she likes to be sucked but not to suck.

So I made a scenario with the 3 in order to utilize their skills. While on my back. The 1st GF on top of me' jumping over me and I am inside her. The 2nd GF sucks me while mine inside her friend. And the 3rd, on top of my face, I am sucking her.

Sweet unloads and the 1st round is over, I offered the 2 GF girls to stay for the night and I double their pay. They both accepted. I paid the 3rd and let her go.

We spent. 3 of us, the night eating, drinking and going for several rounds whenever we felt like it. Just bodies over each other in many positions.

In the morning, we went for a shower and for the final round. After unloading, we had breakfast and they went on their way.

Overall, it was indeed a great experience and an enjoyable night.

I am heading today to the airport. Looking forward to my next trip back very soon.

Take Care and Have Fun.

Cheers,

Jimmy

[QUOTE=Shayman; 1177474]Thanks for your assistance Mr Istine. I will not darken the doors of the FCC.

Shayman[/QUOTE]What is the problem with the FCC?

[QUOTE=Melack; 1179204]I know a similar girl named Rachel, didn't work in a bar.

Big smile, dark, chubby, big tits and fun.

If you think its her then message me and I will send you a pic to confirm.[/QUOTE]I tried to send you a message but it would not let me, I would love to see the pic.

Cjmcsg (riverstar)

[QUOTE=Melack; 1179204]I know a similar girl named Rachel, didn't work in a bar.

Big smile, dark, chubby, big tits and fun.

If you think its her then message me and I will send you a pic to confirm.[/QUOTE]Tried to message you but no luck, would love to see the pic.

Cjmcsg (riverstar)

[QUOTE=Free Happy Bird; 1179288]Hello, folks,

I trust everyone is doing well and is having fun.

I am leaving today and I thought I owe it you to write my report.

This is my 1st report in Cambodia.

I) Hotel Cambodiana

Absolutely GF. Very Green. No issues, No constraints and No questions asked. I walked in with 3 lovely girls and I walked straight to the elevators with the 3 girls. I can see the smiles on everyone's faces

For the record, I am a good tipper so previously, I have tipped almost everyone in the hotel from the door-boy to the receptionist. I did not have too but this is my style whenever I go to a new hotel the 1st time.

II) Research and Plan for the night.

After searching this forum and doing on-ground research; including asking drivers, locals, hotel personnel among others, I had a plan for the night starting with Sharky.

III) Sharky.

I started with Sharky. I was at Sharky at around 10:00pm

Crowded with Girls; all type of girls; from below average girls, to average girls to above average to really beautiful girls.

I took my time analyzing the crowd, searching for my type; the skinny ones with gorgeous faces, sexy figures, sexy feet, legs, tits and assets.

I spotted 2 stunning young girls playing the Billiards.

I approached them and after greetings and small chat, I asked them if they would like both to come to my hotel. I did not offer them any drinks. Just went for it directly

They said ok. How much? I said how much you want? They said $30 each. I said ok. I did not even bother to negotiate. I did not want to spoil the moment. I wanted them to be in the right mood.

On our way out, one of them, the youngest one; said let me get my mobile from my friend. I spotted her friend, she was stunning as well. I told her she can bring her friend as well. She laughed and replied. Can you handle 3 girls? I said why not, let's have fun.

Accompanied with 3 beautiful young girls, they are all native Cambodians, we headed together to the hotel, their ages are 21, 22, 26.

We took shower together and I noticed they have some hair on their pussies. I offered to shave them because I do not like hair and I showed them my body with no single hair; anywhere on my body. Except for the hair on top of my head.

After shaving and showering. We went for the 1st round.

2 of them were really GF with true GF experience from the French kissing to the full oral licking and sucking experience both ways but the 3rd is only oral one way, she likes to be sucked but not to suck.

So I made a scenario with the 3 in order to utilize their skills. While on my back. The 1st GF on top of me' jumping over me and I am inside her. The 2nd GF sucks me while mine inside her friend. And the 3rd, on top of my face, I am sucking her.

Sweet unloads and the 1st round is over, I offered the 2 GF girls to stay for the night and I double their pay. They both accepted. I paid the 3rd and let her go.

We spent. 3 of us, the night eating, drinking and going for several rounds whenever we felt like it. Just bodies over each other in many positions.

In the morning, we went for a shower and for the final round. After unloading, we had breakfast and they went on their way.

Overall, it was indeed a great experience and an enjoyable night.

I am heading today to the airport. Looking forward to my next trip back very soon.

Take Care and Have Fun.

Cheers,

Jimmy[/QUOTE]Indeed a remarkable and quite detailed report. Thank you for sharing.

[QUOTE=Free Happy Bird; 1179288]Hello, folks,

I trust everyone is doing well and is having fun.

I am leaving today and I thought I owe it you to write my report.

This is my 1st report in Cambodia.

I) Hotel Cambodiana

Absolutely GF. Very Green. No issues, No constraints and No questions asked. I walked in with 3 lovely girls and I walked straight to the elevators with the 3 girls. I can see the smiles on everyone's faces

For the record, I am a good tipper so previously, I have tipped almost everyone in the hotel from the door-boy to the receptionist. I did not have too but this is my style whenever I go to a new hotel the 1st time.

II) Research and Plan for the night.

After searching this forum and doing on-ground research; including asking drivers, locals, hotel personnel among others, I had a plan for the night starting with Sharky.

III) Sharky.

I started with Sharky. I was at Sharky at around 10:00pm

Crowded with Girls; all type of girls; from below average girls, to average girls to above average to really beautiful girls.

I took my time analyzing the crowd, searching for my type; the skinny ones with gorgeous faces, sexy figures, sexy feet, legs, tits and assets.

I spotted 2 stunning young girls playing the Billiards.

I approached them and after greetings and small chat, I asked them if they would like both to come to my hotel. I did not offer them any drinks. Just went for it directly

They said ok. How much? I said how much you want? They said $30 each. I said ok. I did not even bother to negotiate. I did not want to spoil the moment. I wanted them to be in the right mood.

On our way out, one of them, the youngest one; said let me get my mobile from my friend. I spotted her friend, she was stunning as well. I told her she can bring her friend as well. She laughed and replied. Can you handle 3 girls? I said why not, let's have fun.

Accompanied with 3 beautiful young girls, they are all native Cambodians, we headed together to the hotel, their ages are 21, 22, 26.

We took shower together and I noticed they have some hair on their pussies. I offered to shave them because I do not like hair and I showed them my body with no single hair; anywhere on my body. Except for the hair on top of my head.

After shaving and showering. We went for the 1st round.

2 of them were really GF with true GF experience from the French kissing to the full oral licking and sucking experience both ways but the 3rd is only oral one way, she likes to be sucked but not to suck.

So I made a scenario with the 3 in order to utilize their skills. While on my back. The 1st GF on top of me' jumping over me and I am inside her. The 2nd GF sucks me while mine inside her friend. And the 3rd, on top of my face, I am sucking her.

Sweet unloads and the 1st round is over, I offered the 2 GF girls to stay for the night and I double their pay. They both accepted. I paid the 3rd and let her go.

We spent. 3 of us, the night eating, drinking and going for several rounds whenever we felt like it. Just bodies over each other in many positions.

In the morning, we went for a shower and for the final round. After unloading, we had breakfast and they went on their way.

Overall, it was indeed a great experience and an enjoyable night.

I am heading today to the airport. Looking forward to my next trip back very soon.

Take Care and Have Fun.

Cheers,

Jimmy[/QUOTE]Indeed a remarkable and quite detailed report. Photos will be welcome. Thank you for sharing.

[QUOTE=Dajudge;1179387]Indeed a remarkable and quite detailed report. Photos will be welcome. Thank you for sharing.[/QUOTE]Well you paid about 2x the going rate but you could afford it and you had a great time so good show- I wish I could afford it-any names of girls?

The FCC is a nice venue but locals generally avoid it.

It is expensive for food and drink and people seem to dislike the owners.

It is a good place to take visitors for a drink in the evening though.

Phnom penh has loads of good restaurants.

Food at shanghai is good nowadays with a new manager running the place.

Hey guys, a buddy and I will be making a trip to PP and was wondering if the Landscape Hotel was girl friendly? I tried to find their website, but found nothing on google. Any infor would be much appreciated.

Motorcycle.

I once read about this guy who liked to Motorcycle around countries and he said that Cambodia is the cheapest and really fun to do. Can one do this safely? How can one rent a motorcycle? Any ideas on how to do this?

[QUOTE=Yellow Bus; 1181252]Motorcycle.

I once read about this guy who liked to Motorcycle around countries and he said that Cambodia is the cheapest and really fun to do. Can one do this safely? How can one rent a motorcycle? Any ideas on how to do this?[/QUOTE]I'll be arriving in Phnom Penh in a couple of weeks and plan to do exactly that. I'll buy a small bike, just like the locals ride, and spend a few weeks (or more) tooling around Cambodia and maybe cross into neighboring countries. Keep watching, I'll be posting updates of interest here as well as the 'Other Areas' and 'Siem Reap' forums

[QUOTE=Yellow Bus; 1181252]Motorcycle.

I once read about this guy who liked to Motorcycle around countries and he said that Cambodia is the cheapest and really fun to do. Can one do this safely? How can one rent a motorcycle? Any ideas on how to do this?[/QUOTE]Five years ago I travelled from Phom Penh to Siem Reap with an outfit called Dancing Roads. It's organised by a Cambodian guy, Peng and his English girlfriend / wife Sonia. Apart from being a very nice guy, Peng knows Cambodia from a biking point of view very well. Check him out. If he can't help you directly, then he can point you in the right direction. The owner of California 2 is also a biker with extensive knowledge of Cambodia. I know it closed down by the waterfront, but I believe that it was resurrected at a new location. The bike trip I did was certainly cheap and the bikes were ideal for the local terrain. They were Honda XL or XR 250s. You really don't need anything bigger. I had a blast!

Good luck.

Expatcat

[QUOTE=Yellow Bus; 1181252]Motorcycle.

I once read about this guy who liked to Motorcycle around countries and he said that Cambodia is the cheapest and really fun to do. Can one do this safely? How can one rent a motorcycle? Any ideas on how to do this?[/QUOTE]As Expatcat wrote, Jim from California 2 Guesthouse can give you good information.

Go to his site, and click on the links to get good info on traveling via motorcyles: [url]http://www.cafecaliforniaphnompenh.com/[/url]

Although not exactly what I would call cross country biking, I rented a small motorcycle when I was in Kampot and Kep in Feb. I had a real good time. It was the best way to get around and I saw a lot beautiful scenery. It was cheap too, but you already know that. Traffic was low and never a problem, but keep your eyes on the road anyway.

The best meal I had in Asia on my 2011 fuckfest was at the Kep crab market - last restaurant from the market seaside. The green peppercorn crab was outstanding! Better than anything in BKK or Michelin One Star gourmet restaurants in Macau like the Seven. I ordered it and the owner’s wife waded out to the traps off shore to fetch the crab. I’d say the green peppercorn sauce was better than pusy.

Bit of a late report but I guess it took me a while to get over the disappointment of the entire trip. It seems that PP has really died a slow death as a mongering destination, none of the usual places were happening. Sharky's was dead, so was walkabout and most of the regular haunts, street 136 and onwards had pubs but there was a severe lack in quality.

I don't understand what has happened, I remember PP from couple of years back where the places were overflowing with not only beautiful Khmer girls but also Vietnamese (do remember one spinner from Vietnam I brought in from Sharky's). In addition the prices have gone through the roof aswell, I was able to get shorttime for 8-10 USD and longtime for 15-20, now they are asking for 50USD up for shorttime.

I wouldn't plan a trip back as I have done all tourist destinations twice already and the quality of night life was less than happening, also heard that heart of darkness is closing down.

One interesting item though, they started to request all girls to have I'd when you get back to the hotel and it seems they don't accept any kind of I'd, has to be a special I'd or there will be a wink-wink, nudge-nudge for 20USD bribe to get the lass upstairs.

I am off to Cebu soon, hoping to restore my faith in South East Asia there!

Went to NAGA Casino to gamble a bit since I wasn't in the mood for drinking. While I bored myself with the slot machines several employees joined me and gave me (un) helpful tips but still intertaining and a few lookers among them, unfortunately none of them approaches me any further. Then a Vietnamese girl places herself besides me and it is soon clear that she is actively looking for body contact. Her face is a 6, the body. Skinny and I can't make out a shape due to her choice of clothing. But she smiles a lot, making up for her lack of English skills. We move on to another slot machine and I let her. She calls herself Juju – press the button a few times, which ultimately lets to a 30 dollar win.

When the money comes I generously share the winnings with Juju which seems to surprise her. She suggests that we leave for my place but I refuse – partly because I am tired, partly she is not really my type. But she continues, talks of making boom-boom. I tell her, that I don't have money and she says: 'No money, only boom-boom. You sleep good. ' Well. A (technically) free shag is a free shag so I agree. We leave for my hotel (Khmer City Hotel) and stop for a quick dinner on our way.

Well. In the end I might as well have fucked a blown-up plastic sack. Equally unshapely, equally unresponsive and cheaper. Yes, cheaper, because after I did the deed Juju suddenly asks for 50 Dollar. I make an angry face, remembering her that she told me it would be free. She doesn't remember. I am not in the mood for haggling, so after several minutes of unfruitful discussion I give her 10 bucks and kick her out. She doesn't seem to understand why I am pissed and asks me not to be angry.

1 min after she left the receptionist rings me to ask if its ok for her to leave. I didn't know if the hotel is girl friendly when I booked so at least this information might be useful for some of you. Next time I am in Naga I'the rather try to get one of the employees.

Hi All,

I'll be in PP in Sept and want a hotel with a pool that is definitely GF. All the boutique hotels have on their websites a very clear "No Sex Tourists" sign! Does that mean us? (!)

Anyhow, have stayed at Cambodiana before and the comments of most travellers about old style rooms don't worry me but several recent reviews indicate the pool is under renovation. Can anyone confirm that and what other suggestions can you give me? Prefer to be Riverside rather than out where Anise and Amber are and since the company is paying, can go to a moderate price.

Can any one comment on Raffles or the Sofitel?

Thanks as always.

Bubba

I need a little help in tracking down two girls it is a bit of a long shot as I met them a number of years ago but you never know you luck.

The first was called Lida she wasn't young as she said she had a 16 year old daughter but she was tall, I met her in the Pit Stop Bar which was close to Shanghai Bar and I understand that she used to spend a lot of time in the Banana Bar. She was more confident that most of the girls who treated her with a lot of respect and apart from Khmer she also spoke English and a little French, someone did mention that they thought she was now in Kep but they were not sure.

The second is Thida she used to work in Flower Bar then moved to Bogie@Bacall Bar both of which are now closed. Thida was tall for a Cambodian girl and had fantastic shiny black hair (on her head) , she was great fun but took a lot of persuading when I wanted to bar fine her.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Bubba999; 1182050]Hi All,

I'll be in PP in Sept and want a hotel with a pool that is definitely GF. All the boutique hotels have on their websites a very clear "No Sex Tourists" sign! Does that mean us? (!)

Anyhow, have stayed at Cambodiana before and the comments of most travellers about old style rooms don't worry me but several recent reviews indicate the pool is under renovation. Can anyone confirm that and what other suggestions can you give me? Prefer to be Riverside rather than out where Anise and Amber are and since the company is paying, can go to a moderate price.

Can any one comment on Raffles or the Sofitel?

Thanks as always.

Bubba[/QUOTE]Those signs are there just for show only. Unless you happen to be staying in a hotel funded and operated by NGOs (if any) , you don; t need to worry about hotels being not girl-friendly. Well, I haven't been back to PP for 3 years and I could be wrong but those signs have always been there, and even some hotel receipt fine prints state that you cannot bring prostitutes back to hotel blah blah blah. This kind of thing is similar to the disclaimer and the OVER-18 LEGAL AGE warning you see at adult websites. They are there to absolve the business owners and operators from culpability and not to be taken seriously and enforced diligently.

[QUOTE=WeaverWorld; 1181677]Bit of a late report but I guess it took me a while to get over the disappointment of the entire trip. It seems that PP has really died a slow death as a mongering destination, none of the usual places were happening. Sharky's was dead, so was walkabout and most of the regular haunts, street 136 and onwards had pubs but there was a severe lack in quality.

I don't understand what has happened, I remember PP from couple of years back where the places were overflowing with not only beautiful Khmer girls but also Vietnamese (do remember one spinner from Vietnam I brought in from Sharky's). In addition the prices have gone through the roof aswell, I was able to get shorttime for 8-10 USD and longtime for 15-20, now they are asking for 50USD up for shorttime.

I wouldn't plan a trip back as I have done all tourist destinations twice already and the quality of night life was less than happening, also heard that heart of darkness is closing down.

One interesting item though, they started to request all girls to have I'd when you get back to the hotel and it seems they don't accept any kind of I'd, has to be a special I'd or there will be a wink-wink, nudge-nudge for 20USD bribe to get the lass upstairs.

I am off to Cebu soon, hoping to restore my faith in South East Asia there![/QUOTE]You sure you were in Phnom Penh.

I have never paid more than 20 for long time, then again I frequent more than once a year.

[QUOTE=Cowboy Brew;1182157]Those signs are there just for show only. Unless you happen to be staying in a hotel funded and operated by NGOs (if any) , you don; t need to worry about hotels being not girl-friendly. Well, I haven't been back to PP for 3 years and I could be wrong but those signs have always been there, and even some hotel receipt fine prints state that you cannot bring prostitutes back to hotel blah blah blah. This kind of thing is similar to the disclaimer and the OVER-18 LEGAL AGE warning you see at adult websites. They are there to absolve the business owners and operators from culpability and not to be taken seriously and enforced diligently.[/QUOTE]Thanks CB. I know what you're saying and I have seen signs posted in hotels in SR and PP to this effect but the sorts of stuff I am talking about are a bit more pointed.

[url]http://www.the-252.com/en/reservation.html[/url]

See Terms and Conditions at the right.

My previous experiences in Cambodia suggest that almost all places are GF but having been bitten before in Thailand I tend to double check.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Bubba999; 1182314]Thanks CB. I know what you're saying and I have seen signs posted in hotels in SR and PP to this effect but the sorts of stuff I am talking about are a bit more pointed.

[url]http://www.the-252.com/en/reservation.html[/url]

See Terms and Conditions at the right.

My previous experiences in Cambodia suggest that almost all places are GF but having been bitten before in Thailand I tend to double check.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Not really familiar with this hotel. Should be rather new. Unless the place is ran by some NGO, humanitarian fanatics, I think it should be ok. During my time there, Cambodian hotels generally turn a blind eye, as long as you stay polite and respectful and be discrete. And of course, the girl (s) should behave the same. As long as nobody make the scene, it should be alright.

Sigh.

Phnom penh has not changed so much for the worse. Places like Sharkeys and probably Martini are boring and tired for me though.

The bars still have shitloads of nice girls.

I may have an advantage because I live here and I speak some khmer but I meet pretty girls every night who will go home for twenty or twenty five dollars.

Except that I never talk about money, it is assumed that we both know the fee.

I live near five bars in st110 and each has a few pretty girls.

The other night I went to the new air force bar in st 104, there was an opening party and there were heaps of pretty girls from all the bars.

Rue pasteur has some nice girls, try my lien, the k bar and the sky lounge further north.

As for hotels, boutique hotels don't want mongers.

Thats the billabong, nine, villa langka, the pavilion and his other two hotels, kabiki and blue lime.

Cambodina is fine as are naga, raffles and my favourite for its proximity to the bars in 136, amari watergate.

No one wants to see the barang romping in the pool with his fuck doll or two.

There are still some lovely girls here, although the best ones seem to be snapped up and taken from the bars very quickly nowadays.

[QUOTE=WeaverWorld;1181677]Bit of a late report but I guess it took me a while to get over the disappointment of the entire trip. It seems that PP has really died a slow death as a mongering destination, none of the usual places were happening. Sharky's was dead, so was Walkabout and most of the regular haunts, street 136 and onwards had pubs but there was a severe lack in quality.[/QUOTE]Sharky's and Walkabout are dead every night nowadays. I don't know what happened.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1183202]Sharky's and Walkabout are dead every night nowadays. I don't know what happened.[/QUOTE]That's exactly the impression I got when I was last there about 4 weeks ago. Thought it might have been just be a bad week to be visiting PP, but I'm sad to hear that it hasn't gotten any better. Hopefully it's just the quiet season and things will pick up soon.

On the upside for me personally, met a nice Vietnamese girl at the Walkabout a couple of visits ago who I've been with a few times now. Jeaw (sp?) is her name, mid 20's, tight little body, no baby and excellent skills. She only works nights and is usually with her (also) Viet friend. Nice girl for short time fun.

[QUOTE=Eisflamme; 1181724]Went to NAGA Casino to gamble a bit since I wasn't in the mood for drinking. While I bored myself with the slot machines several employees joined me and gave me (un) helpful tips but still intertaining and a few lookers among them, unfortunately none of them approaches me any further. Then a Vietnamese girl places herself besides me and it is soon clear that she is actively looking for body contact. Her face is a 6, the body. Skinny and I can't make out a shape due to her choice of clothing. But she smiles a lot, making up for her lack of English skills. We move on to another slot machine and I let her. She calls herself Juju – press the button a few times, which ultimately lets to a 30 dollar win.

When the money comes I generously share the winnings with Juju which seems to surprise her. She suggests that we leave for my place but I refuse – partly because I am tired, partly she is not really my type. But she continues, talks of making boom-boom. I tell her, that I don't have money and she says: 'No money, only boom-boom. You sleep good. ' Well. A (technically) free shag is a free shag so I agree. We leave for my hotel (Khmer City Hotel) and stop for a quick dinner on our way.

Well. In the end I might as well have fucked a blown-up plastic sack. Equally unshapely, equally unresponsive and cheaper. Yes, cheaper, because after I did the deed Juju suddenly asks for 50 Dollar. I make an angry face, remembering her that she told me it would be free. She doesn't remember. I am not in the mood for haggling, so after several minutes of unfruitful discussion I give her 10 bucks and kick her out. She doesn't seem to understand why I am pissed and asks me not to be angry.

1 min after she left the receptionist rings me to ask if its ok for her to leave. I didn't know if the hotel is girl friendly when I booked so at least this information might be useful for some of you. Next time I am in Naga I'the rather try to get one of the employees.[/QUOTE]You gave her the impression that you have lots of money and free with it, she offered you free sex to get you to go with her, nice report.

[QUOTE=Iching;1183897]You gave her the impression that you have lots of money and free with it, she offered you free sex to get you to go with her, nice report.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I guess you are right. At first I thought it would be a gratitude fuck. SHould have stayed and talked more to the real hot emplyee.

Is there still a fishbowl in the Paris Hotel? Anybody have recent experience with the hotel?

[QUOTE=Dajudge;1186811]Is there still a fishbowl in the Paris Hotel? Anybody have recent experience with the hotel?[/QUOTE]Info from 2010; should still be the same.

There is a massage fishbowl on the 3rd floor. I believe the price of the massage is between $5-7 for 1 hour. Most of the girls can't speak any English. Has more of a local crowd. Girl should asked around $30. They should accept $20 or $25; not sure how much lower they will go.

The price of the room should still be $15. If you are a newbie tourist, they will try to charge you $18.

Rooms need to be refurbished. A/C is noisy. Some of the beds need to be replaced.

But the rooms are clean. There is free wi-fi. Decent restaurant on the ground floor (They also deliver). They have a very good laundry service (500 riel to 1500 riel per piece including ironing and clothes ready the same day if you give it to them before noon).

If you want peace and quiet after 6AM, ask for a room facing the back because the rooms in front face Kampuchea Krom which is a major street (Third world Asians constantly honk their horn starting at sunrise).

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1186918]Info from 2010; should still be the same.

There is a massage fishbowl on the 3rd floor. I believe the price of the massage is between $5-7 for 1 hour. Most of the girls can't speak any English. Has more of a local crowd. Girl should asked around $30. They should accept $20 or $25; not sure how much lower they will go.

The price of the room should still be $15. If you are a newbie tourist, they will try to charge you $18.

Rooms need to be refurbished. A / C is noisy. Some of the beds need to be replaced.

But the rooms are clean. There is free wi-fi. Decent restaurant on the ground floor (They also deliver). They have a very good laundry service (500 riel to 1500 riel per piece including ironing and clothes ready the same day if you give it to them before noon).

If you want peace and quiet after 6AM, ask for a room facing the back because the rooms in front face Kampuchea Krom which is a major street (Third world Asians constantly honk their horn starting at sunrise).[/QUOTE]Thanks very much!

Finally made it to Phnom Penh. In short, much better than Thailand. It reminds me of the Thailand of old, reasonable prices and beautiful ladies. I went top Zanzi bar and Rose. Bar fine is $5 and the ladies often tell you to pay them what you want. But I always take care of the ladies without upsetting the market prices and keeping them low. I stayed at Raffles, which is nice and clean and girl friendly. I had been there for 3 days before deciding to go out. Picked up one lady at the Rose my first night on the town. She was slim and cute but a dead fuck in bed. Couldn't give head if her life depended on it. So her BJ skills were in line with what I have read on this thread. But she was a good workout for me as I put in the work and enjoyed her beautiful body, then sent her on her way. She expected to stay the night but I didn't feel like being bothered.

Next night I went to Zanzi Bar. I was there the night before as Zanzi Bar and Rose are right across the street from one another. The night before the ladies were celebrating the birthday of Lucky, a short, voluptuous female with tits only a 20 something could have. So I knew plenty of the ladies there and bought drinks all night for at least 7 ladies. Time came to pay my tab and I was hit with a whopping bill of $36! LOL! Anyway, I decided to go with the B day girl of the night before as she was dancing on the bar in a very sexual way the others girls failed to display. My instincts told me she was the one so I neglected to bring home the girl who sat by my side all night, massaging me most of the night. Funny thing happened on my way out the door with lucky, two other girls offered to come along! But I declined as I am too old to take on three teenagers! Maybe next time. We get back to Raffles and my instincts were right on target. Lucky gave head like she needed to feed her family! (which was probably the case0. She is HOTT! With BEAUTIFUL tits and she gave me head until I had to tell her to stop! The sex was hot and she was just as seductive in bed as she was on the bar! We played multiple times, slept and I woke her up with more of my wood and not once did she shy away or act funky. She is great and I will see her again when I go back in Sept! She is not one to be missed!

Just checking for a confirmation that the wild west of PP is over. Steng Menchi is dead. Nothing going on in K11 except a few cheesy brothels, can't find anything good on st51, tuol kork has absolutely nothing. The only thing in PP is some decent bars (Sharky's, HoD, Martini's, etc) and some brothels with eith er old or ugly gals. Sure, there are diamonds in the rough, but so not the place for young fine chicks.

Does anyone know when the Hotel Cambodiana pool work will be finished?. Anyone walking by or staying there now that can get a straight answer? I have stayed before and the pool is the big attraction but am reading on normal review sites that it is closed for renovation (something the whole hotel needs). Any info from on the spot would be appreciated.

Thanks Guys

Is the Cambodiana Hotel girlfriendly?

[QUOTE=Liggi1;1188254]Is the Cambodiana Hotel girlfriendly?[/QUOTE]Yes completely. Multiple girls OK But always wise to give a couple of bucks to the night guard and or receptionist. Hotel is a bit run down and shabby and I belive that pool is currently closed (see my request below!)

Went to the paris massage a few months ago, pretty ordinary.

Lots of girls, a few dollars for the massage and the girl wanted $30.

Terrible massage and everything else.

Just the luck of the draw.

The heaven massage would be just as bad I imagine.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine; 1188540]Went to the paris massage a few months ago, pretty ordinary.

Lots of girls, a few dollars for the massage and the girl wanted $30.

Terrible massage and everything else.

Just the luck of the draw.

The heaven massage would be just as bad I imagine.[/QUOTE]Is the Angkor International Hotel girl friendly? Is there a "massage" in the hotel and how is it?

[QUOTE=Bubba999; 1187924]Does anyone know when the Hotel Cambodiana pool work will be finished. Anyone walking by or staying there now that can get a straight answer? I have stayed before and the pool is the big attraction but am reading on normal review sites that it is closed for renovation (something the whole hotel needs). Any info from on the spot would be appreciated.

Thanks Guys[/QUOTE]I think the Cambodiana pool was tiny. (one look, and you think they must be taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]) If they're rebuilding one there, hopefully it's a size suitable for such a large hotel of its calibre. The location of the pool keeps it in solid shade in the afternoon, which if you prefer that, is good. I actually prefer to be able to be in sun when I'm at a pool.

The Phnom Penh health club (forget the exact name. Sports club?) which is on a main ring road at the very southwest of the city (a few blocks southwest the Russian Market) is the best option I found. It cost a dollar or 2 to swim there and wasn't too crowded, nice big pool plus sauna and jacuzzi, gym too, and relatively upmarket (compared to what you'd expect at what's basically a public pool in PP). Billabong's pool looks really nice but as far as I know they're pretty strict about overnight guests and also won't let non-guests pay just to use the pool. If that policy ever changed, that would probably be the best option. Then again, Billabong is in a horrible location, not near any restaurants and it's a fairly dangerous dark walk to the 51 street scene.

[QUOTE=Dajudge;1188659]Is the Angkor International Hotel girl friendly? Is there a "massage" in the hotel and how is it?[/QUOTE]The Angkor is just about everything friendly. If your lucky you might find a girl in the bar downstairs. I've watched people smoke weed, opium outside on the patio. The down side is the hotel is somewhat seedy, be careful with your cash, camera, and cell. Wakling distance to Walkabout, Sharky's and the motodops will be more than happy to find anything else you want. Happy hunting! Goggle it!

Hello,

I will fly with them in December. When you will get ticket online you will be redirected to the site of vietnamese airlines. They fly with an old fashioned propeller type plane. There will be two other flights the same route with vietnamese airlines. I did on purpose choose the Cambodian one just for the experience. If you date Cambodian hookers you might as well use their planes.

Good luck,

Frits

[QUOTE=Wendella;1188823]The Phnom Penh health club (forget the exact name. Sports club?) which is on a main ring road at the very southwest of the city (a few blocks southwest the Russian Market) is the best option I found. .[/QUOTE]Thanks Wendella. Appreciate the info. There certainly used to be a very nice big pool at Cambodiana 18 months back but the other options you have suggested sound good.

Cheers

[QUOTE=D Cups;1188950]I've not been able to access their website. Has anyone flown with them? I need a cheap airline ticket from Siem Reap to Phnom Penh to Ho Chi Minh City. If anyone can advise thank you very much. Happy horndogging![/QUOTE]With all the buggering around at the airport, the high likelihood that they will not leave on time I think you would be better taking a bus (Mekong Express $8) or share taxi (faster but chance of crazy drivers. I've had it both ways!) between SR and PP. I have also travelled by bus to HCM and it is also a easy, hassle free trip (though the border crossing does slow things down). Although a bit longer it was more than OK. However reviews of the airline are OK and if you have the money to spare, you should be fine.

[url]http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/cambo_angkor.htm[/url]

Cheers

Does anyone know if Sakura Hotel still have a fishbowl?

[QUOTE=D Cups;1188950]I've not been able to access their website. Has anyone flown with them? I need a cheap airline ticket from Siem Reap to Phnom Penh to Ho Chi Minh City. If anyone can advise thank you very much. Happy horndogging![/QUOTE]Angkor airways is only a name and front for Vietnam airlines. So if you can't contact them try website and numbers of Vietnam airlines in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=Jvdairlie;1189141]Does anyone know if Sakura Hotel still have a fishbowl?[/QUOTE]Yes. But that was in March when I was there. A moto-taxi guy took me there, a couple of young cuties there.

The one I took was a dead fish and wanted $50 for FS, talked her down to $40. Had to see and touch those perky tits.

It's been several months since I was in Phnom Penh, but I was just thinking that after doing a lot of reading on these forums I never reported on how I fared.

So I went to Cambodia for work (never been there before, and not much experience in Asia in general) , and it was clear, after a little hinting around, that my colleague was definitely NOT into the idea of a little for-pay female company. I figured I'd be able to slink off on my own some night, but that too, proved incorrect: we were working really long hours, a lot of it involving lots of time outside in the heat, and my co-worker proved to have unbelievable stamina, staying up super late every night. The one time I thought I'd turn in early and then head out later after he went to bed, I actually ran into him in the hotel lobby, and he suggested going to get a drink since I was up.

But, the one saving grace, was that his flight was six hours before mine. This gave me a brief window to work with. Unfortunately pretty early in the day on a weekday. I went from bar to bar, but some weren't even open, and those that were had only a handful of unappealing girls. I got so I dreaded popping in to look around, because as the only customer I'd instantly be the focus of all of them, no chance to lie low and scope things out.

Finally, though, I figured if I was going to do this I'd just have to put up with that. I was walking past the Dream Bar, apparently at the same time a girl was walking in, and she caught my eye as I passed. She motioned me in and I followed.

There were three girls there, all of them relatively young and attractive, who seated me on a bar stool and gathered around. I ordered all of them beers (plus one for me) and started making conversation. Two had very good English, the third, younger and shyer, considerably less. We chatted for a brief while about where we were from, etc, when the girl I'd seen outside, by far the most aggressive, suggested we move to a couch in the corner. One of the others left at that point, but we were soon joined by another girl, this one curvier and a little darker than the others, but also with good English.

This is where it got interesting. These girls were all over me. Kissing me, stroking my cock through my pants. I started to reciprocate, groping them as well. They alternated between completely blatant and completely freaked out about being seen. The younger, shyer girl, very cute and thin, put a pillow in her lap and I reached under her dress and fingered her pussy, with her groaning and grinding into my hand, while the first girl straddled me and started grinding, while on the other side, the new girl was kissing my neck as my hand slid into her pants and gripped her ass.

It basically continued like this through two more rounds of beers. There'd been no mention of money or going anywhere else, and frankly I was enjoying myself and in no hurry to move on. Plus I didn't really want to choose.

Finally I did, though—I went with the newer girl: She had amazing curves and was an incredible kisser. I think the other girls were disappointed I didn't go for two or three at a time, and in hindsight I kind of wish I had. We went to a nearby hotel (which was considerably more expensive than she said it was) as I'd already had to check out of mine, we each showered, and started to play. She was almost a little shy at times. No rush at all. Very slow and sensual, if anything it was me hurrying things along at some points. Lots of different positions, very agreeable, joking around. She gave amazing head. At one point I suggested anal, and she agreed, much to my shock, and I massaged her asshole with a little lube for a while, which she seemed to like, but when I put my finger in she changed her mind and there was no convincing her back. Oh well. Finally finished up and she finished me with her mouth and let me come on her face, a treat I hadn't even asked for.

When all was said and done, I gave her $50, the agreed upon $35 plus a tip, because she'd been so good. I'd have honestly given her a bit more, but I was kind of pissed about being mislead about the cost of the hotel. Anyway, a really good experience. Afterwards we stopped back at the bar and I hung out with the same girl and the young skinny girl from before, who seemed to be friends. I made it clear I was done, but she made out with me anyway, right up until I caught a tuk-tuk to the airport. Quite the finish to my trip.

Arrived yesterday for my first visit in this country. Was amused by the VOA arrangments, anxiously tryi to track my passport as it passed through, I think. 7 pairs of hands almost out of site under a counter. Not many people at the desk but I think I might have panicked if there had been a bigger queue.

Fairly short trip to the hotel from the airport and checked in (Intercontinental) at around 8:30. Freshen up, meet with my colleague in the lobby at 10pm then caught a tuk tuk to Candy bar.

My colleague needed to make a call so I went into the bar to order the drinks. Well. Friday night around 10:15' I believe I was the only westerner in the place and there must have been 50 girls. When he finally came in later my colleague commented that it was like flies round shit (not sure I like what that says about me). I had a great time being groomed by 3-4 girls at a time. Made me think a lot about the attenborough documentaries on gorilla families. One of them had a really cute, broad smile and seemed to be a lot of fun, lots of giggling and some early DFK.

It didn't take me long to decide to barfine her ($7) and agree to LT at my hotel ($50). I didn't feel the need or inclination to see the inside of one the short time rooms she said were above the bar ($13 for 2hrs). I can only have been in the bar for an hour. I don't drink or play pool (I'm practically a monk LOL) so I usually think of time spent in bars when I have already made a choice as eating into the resources for the next adventure.

Found the tuk tuk driver who had waited and headed back to the hotel (paid $15 for the return journey and his wait). It's a pretty short walk from front door to elevators so, if you consider these things, it's a short walk of shame.

The first 10 minutes in the room were taken with her exploring and being blown away by the size of the room. I was upgraded to junior suite and the room has more tvs than I can watch at once and more bathrooms than I can use at once but she was seriously impressed.

What followed was typical stuff so I won't go into graphic details. Enthusiastic but average, she was a lot of fun. 2 pops before sleep and woken with another, I was satisfied with my choice. The only unusual element was her real shyness about her tits. They were tiny but with huuuuuge nipples. Plainly she was unhappy with them which was a shame but she eventually relaxed.

I enjoyed.

SK

Saw the usual balloons and the sign advertsing the third anniversary party-doesn't time fly.

I was too busy after the rugby and had to go home to sack the missus.

Sensational looking tall girl but liked to spend too much, oh and tits too small.

Going to check out the sapphire bar in st118 tonight, it just opened and I have a feeling there may be a girl to suit me there.

I don't normally do this but I am recommending the quite new heartbreak bar in st 110 next door to the riverhouse.

The food is great!

Some nice girls and the food is really good and reasonably priced.

It is run by a nice khmer family as well.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine;1191144]Going to check out the sapphire bar in st118 tonight, it just opened and I have a feeling there may be a girl to suit me there.[/QUOTE]So how was it? Did it have a girl to suit you? ;)

W

[QUOTE=Sapperken;1190901]. anxiously tryi to track my passport as it passed through, I think. 7 pairs of hands almost out of site under a counter. Not many people at the desk but I think I might have panicked if there had been a bigger queue.[/QUOTE]Well there are a number of things in Cambodia worth worrying about for the casual visitor / monger, but losing your passport at the visa counter at Pochentong isn't one of them. It's one of the single most efficient operations in the whole country, and given the income it generates, it ought to be.

Be back in PP in a month after a year almost 2 years away. Are these new crazy prices I'm hearing for real? Used to $15-20 LT so I'm wondering if the girls are expecting those prices from everyone. Used to be they popped 30-100 tag but if you just said 15-20 they went with a smile. Is it still like that?

A couple of cute girls at sapphire but no gems or diamonds in the rough.

Been going to heartbreak bar in 110 recently, girls only so so but great food.

As for prices, depends on a lot, time of night, your age and looks, luck etc.

We call it bar girl lotto.

Doubt you would find cheaper than $25 long time but who knows.

Inflation is rampant here, khmers are getting poorer.

Anyone recommend a daytime place for FL.

[QUOTE=Jvdairlie;1193163]Anyone recommend a daytime place for FL.[/QUOTE]That's been asked and answered at least twice in the last few months. Spend a bit of time reading the forum and you'll see an answer. Or try searching for the phrases "24 hour" or "afternoon".

[QUOTE=D Cups;1187664]Thanks for the great report, Marlo. I'll be there in November. Would you mind sharing the name of the girl with the big tits in Zanzi Bar? Thank you very much![/QUOTE]Her name is Lucky! I am headed back there this weekend and she is first on my list to find!

[QUOTE=Marlo;1193710]Her name is Lucky! I am headed back there this weekend and she is first on my list to find![/QUOTE]Really?

I know Lucky very well, if you've not already banged her don't bother dude. She's a big let down.

I have to spend a few weeks working in the Kep area just wondering if there is any action there

[QUOTE=Riverstar;1194803]I have to spend a few weeks working in the Kep area just wondering if there is any action there[/QUOTE]Not a chance. Bring your own from PP. If you can't there's Kampot 25km away. Never saw action there myself but a motodriver asked me there once if I wanted some action. In the other direction (same distance) you have the Ha Tien Vegas casino which can arrange girls. The town of Ha tien itself is dead.

went to the candy bar yesterday. i hadn't dropped by for over a year. many many girls (around 50-60) and only few customers although this was a saturday night. i was particularly pissed by the fact the 3 girls i was successively interested by refused to go out. they claimed that they are just here to entertain clients but don't go out with customers. this happens a lot near the riverside in many bars where half of the girls are just "hostesses" basically and not prostitutes. this is the exact reason why i never go there. i guess street 104 is not like this too much, you can get laid easily there. however, for those who like it (not my thing) , candy bar counts many ladyboys. i guess there were around 10 of them yesterday night in there and these guys are very willing to have you bar fine them. according to one of the girls, they are the most successful with the customers, hahaha. i think candy is one of the only places with ladyboys in pp, apart from the heart and pontoon.

also, for those interested, i tried a girl at what phnom at night last week. somebody on this forum used to say it was a **** area. i can tell you this is definitely over since i haven't seen any **** girls there but only girls from 25 to 30yo. they stand there from 7pm to midgnight and i saw few ladyboys sometimes too. the area is actually calm, with only a bunch of 5 girls waiting in a street going from what phnom to the river. they ask for 10 usd for st but negotiated to 7 usd. they bring you to a shitty guesthouse where they charge you 10 000 riels for 1 hour. the girl was not too bad, around 25 yo but couldn't speak a word of english. just basic fuck as local do it (so no bj, just a hj and then a fuck) but was something to try once. will not go again though, i like bj too much.

[quote=youpornfan; 1196077]went to the candy bar yesterday. i hadn't dropped by for over a year. many many girls (around 50-60) and only few customers although this was a saturday night. i was particularly pissed by the fact the 3 girls i was successively interested by refused to go out. they claimed that they are just here to entertain clients but don't go out with customers. this happens a lot near the riverside in many bars where half of the girls are just "hostesses" basically and not prostitutes. this is the exact reason why i never go there. i guess street 104 is not like this too much, you can get laid easily there. however, for those who like it (not my thing) , candy bar counts many ladyboys. i guess there were around 10 of them yesterday night in there and these guys are very willing to have you bar fine them. according to one of the girls, they are the most successful with the customers, hahaha. i think candy is one of the only places with ladyboys in pp, apart from the heart and pontoon.

also, for those interested, i tried a girl at what phnom at night last week. somebody on this forum used to say it was a **** area. i can tell you this is definitely over since i haven't seen any **** girls there but only girls from 25 to 30yo. they stand there from 7pm to midgnight and i saw few ladyboys sometimes too. the area is actually calm, with only a bunch of 5 girls waiting in a street going from what phnom to the river. they ask for 10 usd for st but negotiated to 7 usd. they bring you to a shitty guesthouse where they charge you 10 000 riels for 1 hour. the girl was not too bad, around 25 yo but couldn't speak a word of english. just basic fuck as local do it (so no bj, just a hj and then a fuck) but was something to try once. will not go again though, i like bj too much.[/quote]it seems very quiet all over the boards here even popular places like thailand and philippines are quiet here, i guess guys don't have the money to travel much now days.

Since I was nearby I decided to stop by a couple of bars on 136 to see what the scene was like. What a bad idea! The experience in both the places I stopped by was the same. I got no farther than opening the doors and taking 1 step inside and was overcome by real bad music played at a painfully loud volume. Having conversation with a woman was impossible. Even if I could put up with the bad music, I couldn't put up with damaging my ears to do it. I immediately lost all interest, turned around, and left.

It's hard to believe there are people who actually tolerate these places. What are the business owners thinking?

Is there a bar in that area anyone can recommend that doesn't play music so loudly that it's painful?

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1197038]Since I was nearby I decided to stop by a couple of bars on 136 to see what the scene was like. What a bad idea! The experience in both the places I stopped by was the same. I got no farther than opening the doors and taking 1 step inside and was overcome by real bad music played at a painfully loud volume. Having conversation with a woman was impossible. Even if I could put up with the bad music, I couldn't put up with damaging my ears to do it. I immediately lost all interest, turned around, and left.

It's hard to believe there are people who actually tolerate these places. What are the business owners thinking?

Is there a bar in that area anyone can recommend that doesn't play music so loudly that it's painful?[/QUOTE]That is my sentiments exactly. I remember telling one of the bar owner that patrons of bars are there for the girls, not the music, and to keep it in the background. I remember his reply was but this kind of music is the theme of the bar. I look around and could find not a single thing that points remotely to any theme.

I am not prejudiced against any kind of music, even Khmer, but it could be easier on the ear if they turn it to a reasonable volume, especially on those beat up speakers.

There was a place like that on fields ave 20 years ago I was'nt even old then, and the same thing the music was sooooo Loud! I would brave it and go in with ears covered and there were NO patrons just 20 deaf girls working there. But nothing beats RIO, Brazil at carnival time, I could hear all these people pounding on drums right outside my hotel window 24/7. The only strange thing I was 20 stories high

Hi all.

My first time going to PP in about a week and will be staying at the Sofitel. I don't expect the Sofitel to be GF friendly unless someone here can tell me differently. No worries because I'll be on business anyway. So I was wondering if there were any higher-end bars to just sit and look at some up market women? For example some of the hotel bars such as Raffles may have some nice places. I'm really not that stuck up. And I'm long time visitor to Thailand (23+ years now) but on this ocassion I will need to be a little more laid back.

I read several pages deep into this PP thread, and only hear a little about Candy Bar and a few other places and brothels. Any suggestions?

Cheers

[QUOTE=Lalake; 1197891]Hi all.

My first time going to PP in about a week and will be staying at the Sofitel. I don't expect the Sofitel to be GF friendly unless someone here can tell me differently. No worries because I'll be on business anyway. So I was wondering if there were any higher-end bars to just sit and look at some up market women? For example some of the hotel bars such as Raffles may have some nice places. I'm really not that stuck up. And I'm long time visitor to Thailand (23+ years now) but on this ocassion I will need to be a little more laid back.

I read several pages deep into this PP thread, and only hear a little about Candy Bar and a few other places and brothels. Any suggestions?

Cheers[/QUOTE]Cebu comes to mind. I can't remember where exactly it was as I was more than half pissed but it is somewhere off Mornivong, not too far away from Jockey / Queen Hotel. Quite nicely done up and there was 4 good looking Philippinas on hand. All spoke excellent English. The boss runs the Japanese restaurant (or was it Korean) next door.

Another one could be the Fashion Cafe on Kampuchea Krom, west side of Phsar Thmey, heard it's owned by an barang, all Khmer girls who speaks at least some English, which is worth a checkout. Both aspire to be one level up from the girlie bars off the riverside.

Appreciate a writeup if you visit.

Lalake,

Nagaworld casino has a nightclub / bar which is very up market. I believe (but am not 100% sure if they are still doing this) they have a 'model night' on Tuesday's / Wednesday's. The waiting staff are also damn gorgeous, don't expect to drop less than $100 if you want to meet up with some of the ladies in there as they are very up scale. But you can just go in and admire the eye candy.

Pontoon tries to attract the upscale crowd but all the girls there love themselves to much and are real gold diggers, so to get anywhere say you're there for a few months that your company is paying for you to stay at the hotel all this time etc.

[QUOTE=Faidenk; 1197916]Cebu comes to mind. I can't remember where exactly it was as I was more than half pissed but it is somewhere off Mornivong, not too far away from Jockey / Queen Hotel. Quite nicely done up and there was 4 good looking Philippinas on hand. All spoke excellent English. The boss runs the Japanese restaurant (or was it Korean) next door.

Another one could be the Fashion Cafe on Kampuchea Krom, west side of Phsar Thmey, heard it's owned by an barang, all Khmer girls who speaks at least some English, which is worth a checkout. Both aspire to be one level up from the girlie bars off the riverside.

Appreciate a writeup if you visit.[/QUOTE]Excellent info. Will give a write up if / when I go, cheers

[QUOTE=Lalake;1198167]Excellent info. Will give a write up if / when I go, cheers[/QUOTE]Or try the Naga. Either in the Casino or the Darling Darling lounge. Also a more upmarket than the standard girlie bars.

[QUOTE=Ppfrequentv;1198276]Or try the Naga. Either in the Casino or the Darling Darling lounge. Also a more upmarket than the standard girlie bars.[/QUOTE]Yes, Darlin' Darlin' is a nice lounge. Some 'resident' freelancers on most nights and they tend to sit around the bar nearer to the band stand, but in my opinion nothing much to shout about, but you never know with FLs, those who can't make it soon disappear from the scene due to the high cost of drinks there ($5 for a bottle of beer) , so there is always a refresh of talents.

The 'normal' girls there are more interesting place. Be aware that many of the bar girls go there after work so they may not be as 'normal' as they seem, LOL.