Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

Interesting post Joe. Luckily you did not get it in the throat as that is very hard to clear. These women are walking with it; huge infection rates. I will try to be careful (this time) but it is hard to be a virgin!

Did you get one or two separate infections? Also, the dose you got seemeed to be quite benign. The BB One gave me a really bad one. See, they get infected, and keep on fucking so it gets worse. Then they pass it round (with some help obviously). This is a high risk activity and it is good to be reminded of this. Plenty of Purple Hearts here in the line of duty!!

Chikan: lotsa guys like DATY but the whole scene is risky. Also, you are somewhat complacent. Some of those strains are very resistant to pills. The pills work on the asumption we act like good ol' Joe; we take the pills, keep our dick in our pants and inform our partners etc etc. Now Joe will do all of that. But these babes will not. Every time we fuck/suck etc one of them, we are taking a BIG risk. They have no education, they want our $$ and they are not going to tell us they are giving us a souvenir.

Also, here is a philsophical question: let's say you take alady long time or for a long time as Joe did. Seydlitz and other gurus have told us that, in general, these ladies confine themselves to reading comics, talking to their friends on mobiles, watching teen TV and, of course, earning their keep by bbbjs, bonkingm oral, anal etc. Now, if we do NOT experiment, waha do we do with them besides take them shopping or shit like that. I do not want to appear mean or cruel but, bonking their brains out apart, what more can we do with them? Discuss Iraq, Michael Jordan, George Bush's state of the union address, what besised fuck and experiment. And if we are going to do that, we ARE going to catch something nasty

Skinless -- amen to the throat thing. I understand it can also difficult to clear from the eyes, which you can get by touching there after touching an infected area. As far as behavior, well, we're engaged in a high-risk activity and in LOS we're doing it in a higher-than-average risk arena. I consider myself lucky to have escaped things to this point, and I certainly can't imagine, after this, wandering around and boinking sans condom. I wonder if this is an argument for or against seeking out experienced providers -- newbies may be more naive or uneducated about their perils, but their risks of exposure are also lower. Hmm.

It appears I got it two separate times, and that's what my doctor thinks as well. He says the it's likely the first dose was cleared up and that I got a second one just before I left, based on the way my symptoms appeared. I certainly hope that's true -- I don't like the idea that I might have been wandering around with it for a couple of months. At the very least, though, my doctor assures me that even if I didn't completely get rid of the first dose, it was knocked down well enough that I wasn't wandering around infecting people, which is a relief. You may be right that I didn't get a horrific strain -- it wasn't pleasant, it wasn't something I'm looking to do again, but it was certainly bearable. Could also be that I caught it early or could be my metabolism -- I'm one of those lucky folks who never seem to get quite as sick (or as drunk) as others just because of how I'm wired. (Doesn't mean I can't whine like a baby with the best of y'all though when it happens, though!)

And you're right about the ladies -- few if any of them are going to lose income waiting for something to clear up. Even presuming they get it taken care of and take the medicine, which is a big presumption, they're still going to accept the barfines while the process is going on, and they're damn sure not going to tell us anything about it. And most of them are just going to be clueless about even why they should get it taken care of once the symptoms disappear -- I had a discussion once with a TG there about what STDs could do to her, and it took a very long time for her to even understand that being sterile didn't mean not having babies while she was on the job, it meant not having babies ever. Once she got this she was very concerned -- who was going to take care of her when she got old?

As far as your philosophical question -- and I'll risk this even though it's a bit off-topic here, as this sort of conversation has rather died out in the Thai Women section -- I think it totally depends on who you're with and what your approach happens to be. One thing I learned from spending a bit of time as a journalist years ago is that if you find the right way in, people will talk to you nonstop about just about anything, because by and large they don't get enough of a chance to talk about themselves. I've never particularly had a problem finding things to talk about with TGs I've spent a long time with -- they're usually happy to talk about how they grew up, their homes, differences in cultures, etc. If you ask them to explain a Thai situation or concept (greng jai, for example, or anything of the kind -- giving an uneducated person a chance to be a teacher can really open them up) they're usually happy to rattle on about it, particularly if you can relate it to the strange ways farang think and act as opposed to the Thais, as that can help them understand why their customers are so strange. They're often very interested in anything about how different other parts of the world are compared to Thailand -- but the connection with LOS is a must. Also, famous people, most especially good-looking famous men -- mooning over David Beckham, for example, seems universal, though interestingly doing the same over Paradorn seems 50-50. (Again, something fairly normal, I think, for young women dreaming of better lives.) On one occasion, I made fun of a TG's extreme interest in Beckham and Brad Pitt, since they're both married, and suggested she dream of Russell Crowe instead, since he wasn't married at the time. She didn't know who that was, and we had a hilarious time running to an internet cafe and tracking down info and pictures about him, who promptly went to the top of her list. (I was thanked nicely later, btw, "F**k me now, Russell" became a recurring joke.) From a completely practical side of things, I've found that expressing an interest in what she thinks about can add to the GFE and lower prices as well.

One of the reasons I stayed with my college student a long time was precisely that she could not only carry but could initiate a conversation, and she had a working brain as well as a hot bod -- it wasn't all TV or mobile, though the latter was certainly pumping a lot of the time as well, which I simply consider normal for a woman in her early twenties with lots of family and friends. (Thankfully, she had the ability to ignore it also.) She was fascinated by the books I had about Thailand, we spoke quite a bit about the workings of Thai culture versus that of other parts of the world, and she wanted to know anything I could tell her about India, Africa, etc. Discussions about price differences was a never-ending topic -- when I talked about how much money I earned she was interested and intrigued, but even moreso when I talked about how much things cost in the US compared to LOS, and how people lived. The TV she was watching was not the soaps -- she stayed up for a while until 4am simply because there was a Thai show about Muslims, Ramadam in particular. (Turns out she had an ex-boyfriend who was Muslim, but still.)

Obviously, YMMV, but I look at it this way -- most people you talk to, anywhere in the world, are focused first on themselves and their families, so why should TGs be any different? The trick is directly relating other topics to that, and not expecting big discussions on world politics, though often you can get definite insight on Thai politics and culture if you ask about it correctly.

Joe: Beckham is certainly da ma. Have you seen his homo erotic poses in his books. Talk about chasing market share.

I think it rather worrying that a smart guy like you got caught twice. STIs are endemic in LOS and it is bad we do not post more on it. The safe sex campaigns are propaganda as the girls won't reform and as for us....

I never want another does like that one I got this time last year.

I will stop here or we will get back to our mermaid discussion.They are so alluring and so fatal, for all of us and for themselves. The funny thing is AdleZ had a point all along. I'm sure you've seen the flame "war" in the Banned section. People who met NR say he's a good guy in person too. The funny thing about this board is it puts all of us together:all our differnet backgrounds, fetishes etc.

I guess Pattaya and Bkk canbe ok. You pay 2000 bt all in (shoping etc) a day and you get to swan around with a beauty. Great if that is what you want. But waht do you do after the orgy is over?

Yes, the Nibu discussion has been a hoot -- Dickhead's parody had me rolling. It, along with Z, show that people's online personas don't always reflect reality, but we can only deal with what we see and know, I guess. Same same with TGs.

As far as STDs go -- I know plenty of really smart people who died from AIDS, and history has lots of examples that prove how well the brain works means very little when it comes to the libido. Frankly, I've been incredibly lucky over the years rather than incredibly smart about things, relying on my strong metabolism (which is rather dense considering how young men are when they tend to croak in my family) -- heaven knows my drug-taking days back in the 70s weren't exactly paradigms of intelligent living. I've been fastidious about condoms for intercourse, as I've watched people suffer with AIDS and there's no way I'm at all interested in that experience. But two STD examples makes for a lesson learned, and I'll decidedly be a bit more circumspect about my behavior, at least in the higher-traffic areas such as Bangkok and Pattaya. It's the usual tough choice between the sexual acts you like and the life you want to keep living.

I do think we should be discussing this more, as I seriously doubt there are only a couple of us who've had this experience, given the overall incidence of things. But it may be like anything else online -- field reports, for example -- people may be getting, but they ain't telling. This is not exactly a topic people really want to think about as opposed to thinking about the next hottie they're going to explore, and with good reason. Heck, I'd rather think about that!

And as far as the whole mermaid thing -- I always think of the Stevie Smith poem title: "Not Waving But Drowning" as something that's extremely resonant. Them and us both. The orgy question's the same everywhere, isn't it? If you're going to spend time with someone there's got to be some kind of common ground or some area to explore or it gets old really fast. That was, of course, Z's whole assertion in a nutshell, but I guess I've just got far more in common with the poor and uneducated than him, being as I'm someone from the general range of the bad side of the tracks in the first place. I figure I can spend three or four days with just about anyone, male of female, before I get too bored, and can probably hide it or entertain myself for a couple days more, so I just don't find it all that tough to spend longer times with TGs or anyone else who's sharing my bed. Maybe it's just a matter of temperment -- I am generally bemused by life in any event, so I like to enjoy the process, good, full of disaster, whatever, if only so I can laugh about it later. As long as no one's getting hurt it's only time and/or money, and neither of those are anything to get too exercised about.

STIS: as long as some of us post, it means lurkers and others are aware of the (very considerable) risks. One of the problems of the Net is there is a lot of misinformation out there. People like us, when we escape for years, we get complacent and, then, wham. To me, it is like heavy drinking or drug taking. have a binge but move on. I posted about the Zona Roxa in Acapulco (no condoms and bring a machette) and the market in Mexico city. WTF was I doing there? Was I mad? (yes).

The whole sex scene is fascinating. Maybe we are doomed to bonk until we die. To die with our condoms on!

Here follows a quote from the KL board from a regular user. Follow ups have asked if herpes is curable. Am I the only one here into using toys and other safe sex implements on these providers?


[QUOTE]Originally posted by monsterfacial
[i]Sorry to be a wet blanket....but I have just been tested positive for Genital Herpes............and being a Graduate...I play very safe ...complete with condom while having sex but unfortunately it is the groin area that have contracted the Herpes infection.....
I mean read about ....the infectious nature about the Herpes virus and it will scare the pants out of you...........Waking up the next morning with suspicious blisters in the groin area is not the advertisement for the breakfast of champions...but rather the
fucked up and the most dum asses in the world.... [/i][/QUOTE]

From what i know (correct me if am wrong) from my research is that herpes is not curable. I however goes into remission and flares up once in a while. One have to be careful when it is active as you are likely to spread it by contact

Remember, the cold sores some people have on their lips is the same thing (herpes). They just travelled upstairs. So, if a person with cold sores kisses the dicks you will have genital herpes.

Be carefull, fellow *****mongers. Check out the lips when having BBBJ.

Maybe prescreening for herpes using PocKit is a solution. There is an on-going discussion
about using OraQuick and PocKit in the safe sex section (under special interests).

... herpes...

Maybe you better do some research at some medicinal oriented sites like [url]www.herpes.org/[/url] ?

Gentlemen: Please excuse my earlier post as i was very tired. I find it intersting (and worrying) that herpes is doing the rounds in SE Asia and that one of our top posters got it. I also find it worrying that a fellow poster did not know herpes has no cure (or bothered looking it up - but on the Thai sction, guys ask for weather tips). My point is very simple: there are a lot of infections out there and the infection rate is a lot higher among both mongers and providers than we like to think it is. Many, if not al of these women (and many men, like me), will fuck anything if the price is right. I did a rough count and I had sex with over 30 women in my latest trip. No more than 4 of them insisted on condoms. And thye were all newbies. There is a lot of misinformation on the Internet. Do not get an STI as a consequnece of that misinformation.

Skinless,

Did you insist on the rain coat when the TG didn't?

What do you think? I go there to fuck them and the name implies I do have my prrejudices. Do as I preach, not as I say. The odds of catching a nasty virus are quite high in LOS. The doctor seemed unconcerend about STIs (we have medicines) but warned me against HIV (no cure). You make your own conclusions from that. Another thing is guys are just interested in posting shit (she had big tits, 9/10). most are lurkers and almost all pretend there is no risk. The risk is big and real. That I take risks does not mean you should. So far, three people have owned up to Purple Hearts. I ma sure more here got bad doses but will not admit it.

Excerpt from www.herpes.org

"Herpes is a virus that infects the nervous system, modifying the DNA of the nerve cells supplying the skin through which the virus entered. The infection is permanent. Most patients suffer from recurrences that may vary in frequency from once in a lifetime to non-stop infections that never go away. The average rate of recurrences is about four times per year, plus or minus one. Recurrences typically take about a week or so to heal. This means that the average untreated person with HI spends about a month out of the year with lesions. "

If u read my note I had said there is no cure (I should have said "permanent").

As I said, be careful.

Kekekeke asked on th KL board if it is curable. I find it very interesting that few on the KL board seem to give a shit. If MF has herpes, who else has it? There is little doubt but that the litle head rules permanently here. I am definitely going to try to change my lifestyle as fucking the scum of Thailand is not a recipe for long term health. MY problem is i am over sexed and I find pumping pussy a good stress relief.

Many of them are lovely and good people but they get 0/100 on matters of sex hygiene and we are not much better. On several occasions, I fucked women where there was a quite high risk but I fucked them anyway. It is not that MF has been particularly unlucky, just that we have been lucky so far.

Also, Duni, you are ocnfusing genital and oral herpes.

Internet orders of herpes prescreening kit:

For those of you who want to check if the girl you picked has herpes-2 (even if she is not having an outbreak), I found a web site for ordering the PocKit 10-minute test kits

[url=http://www.bvquadro.com/phirstuse/phirstuse_buy.htm]http://www.bvquadro.com/phirstuse/phirstuse_buy.htm[/url]

I have not tried them yet.