Curacao

Hi!

Caribbean islands and Curacao must be hot and humid even at night. I wonder if the rooms with girls at Campo Allegre are air-conditioned? Curacao climate is like Honolulu, Hawaii? Never visited Caribbean islands, but I know Hawaii well.

Sorry for stupid questions, and thanks for answer.

i would just like to add a few words to my posts and those of mr. jetsetter.

you can approach the setup at campo in 2 ways. one - and most men, especially the local curacao men subscribe to this one- would be to regard the chicas as filthy *****s not worthy of anything even close to human emotion, who are only there to make a quick buck.

the other one - and i am firmly in this camp - is to take a look at why these ladies are at campo. behind each chica there is a story of unemployment, an abysmal economy, a throughly corrupt country, and a child that needs food.

goga, have you even made an attempt at talking to these girls? do you realize that they are students, secretaries, nurses, etc. that have to make a choice between starvation and providing sexual services to strangers? they are not in this business because of the need for drug money, like the skanks on the streets of baltimore. and you know what? even in a situation such as this they manage to behave with dignity, and look great.

i had never been so close to the third world before, and i fully realize that curacao is rich compared to many places in south america. there is a horrible world of poverty out there which we fortunate americans do not know about while we speed along in our 5-liter suvs.

i am not in the least concerned about making campo services more affordable for the locals. these guys are widely known at campo as "cochinos", and deserve it. i am not wealthy but will not hesitate to provide additional rewards to a chica who deserves such rewards. i am not going to humiliate myself over a laughable $28.

for the record, my base salary is $37,000. i am not bill gates.

Robert St,

The rooms in Campo are air-conditioned, sometimes it's very cold inside, so you can ask the girl to turn it down. Outside is not hot at night at all, the weather is just perfect.

Mr. Jetsetter and Tbird, thanks, I got your point except this: "When you bargain down, you are asking the chica to operate at a loss". The only way for a chica to "operate at a loss" is to not have any clients. If she provides discounts and better services she will make more money in the end.

I talked to many these girls and know about their situation.

I still see nothing morally wrong when a guy who makes $8/hour bargains a $28 flat fee. It is his hard-earned money. The fact that he was able to buy an air ticket does not make him richer.

I hope this won't happen soon in Curacao, but don't be surprized if the price will go up next time you are there. This always happens when people readily pay what they are asked. Aruba is already messed up - almost twice as expensive and 20 times less choice. Another example: There is one place in asia, $50/month is a good salary there. Girls were charging $10-$20 per night which was also good money for them. The problem began when "fortunate americans" start arriving there during last 1-2 years.

They did not have problems paying the "poor" girls, so now these girls are asking $50 and more per hour!

I would like to welcome Robert St to our increasingly lively Curacao forum. Robert, I am delighted to inform you that Curacao in general and our beloved Campo in particular cools down considerably at night, aided by steady 15-25 mile-an-hour breezes coming in off the ocean. I frequently wear sports coats at night and have even then felt a little cool. Because Curacao is invariably hot and sunny during the day and the ladies must get their rest, every room is equipped with an air conditioner. From what I can remember, it was used perhaps half the time during my visits. Yes, the intensity of certain activities sometimes makes a little AC desirable!

Robert St, all the rooms at Campo are air conditioned. The girls keep them very clean. Do not worry.

My suggestion again would be - take some small items as gifts with you. Inexpensive cosmetics from CVS, calculators, flavored condoms, cassette players from Wal-Mart (as low as $5) - are perfect ice breakers and will help make encounters with chicas much more rewarding.

To put things in context - in Columbia it costs about $8/hr to browse the Net at an Internet cafe. This measly sum is a luxury for the girls.

Greetings to all, and I have my input being that I've been there as well.

Was there a year ago October, and everyone has to go to this place once. It's truly a miracle. After reading the posts, I have to agree with the others, "it's $30 bucks! pay it, and don't cut the girls." I know, "I'm not rich, blah, blah, blah." Most of us aren't but after going to the Campo and mongering there every night sometimes twice, it was the deal of a lifetime, and possibly not to be repeated. 5 of us were there, and the girls were amazing. Yes, there were some pigs, but there were like 200 girls, so there was something for everybody including some 10's. I like strip clubs. Very thin, very pretty, very big fake boobs. I went with a girl named Milena from Columbia every night my last 4 nights, because frankly she was perfect. Had the face of a runway model, and as I'm doing the deed, I just couldn't believe this unbelievably hot chick was $30 bucks! And there were tons of them. Go to Curacao, it's the bomb. I like short term mongering so we all stayed at Breezes Curacao all-inclusive resort. The best! Oh, by the way, the rooms are all air-conditioned, and you can take the girls out. We took them back to the all-inclusive for a day rate for them for like 40 bucks. Hope this helps. I'm going to the Dominican Republic in January for the first time, so I'm more than happy to exchange info with you guys.

Best,

J Stem

Robert St

Hi!

Caribbean islands and Curacao must be hot and humid even at night. I wonder if the rooms with girls at Campo Allegre are air-conditioned? Curacao climate is like Honolulu, Hawaii? Never visited Caribbean islands, but I know Hawaii well.

Sorry for stupid questions, and thanks for answer.

Curacao has to be one of the hottest spots on this planet! It is continually 87 / 92 degrees every day and humid as hell, rarely drops below 80 at night. All the rooms in Campo are air conditioned for the girls and "guests" comfort. Don't worry! I have been to Hawaii also and no Curacao is much hotter and more humid. (Only spot hotter on planet is Barranquilla, Colombia)

Cheers,

FORD

I was just in Curacao (guess I should write a report) and it was bloody hot (and I am an Arizona boy.) Guess I am not used to high humidity. I echo Ford's comments about Campo. There is A/C in the rooms but I still worked up a good sweat during my sessions with the Columbianas. BTW, I was told that there are no more Dominicans at Campo and the reason given was that they never wanted to dance on stage.

I stayed at the Marriott. Every night I would came back late and in the lobby there were always women sitting outside the casino. One night I said hi to one of them and she followed me down the hallway. She gave me a big smack on the lips and asked if I wanted company tonight. She wasn't that great (after a hot Columbiana session.) Out of curiosity I asked how much. She said $100. When i hesitated she quickly got down to $60. I did not partake but thought it was interesting that Marriott openly allowed this.

I do recommend Campo. Very safe place (in addition to the private security, local police drop by every couple of hours to make sure everything is okay) and Columbianas to suit almost any taste all under one roof (so to speak.) As reported here, a little restaurant on site (had some good pork chops there one night.) One of the locals gave me a Polar beer from Venezuela. I liked it a lot... better than Amstel IMHO.

I recommend walking around past the different rooms instead of staying at the bar. Most nights there were only a couple of white gringos (Dutch and americanos) walking around. May be different at other times of the year. So if you are one of these like me, you will receive lots of attention (kissing sounds from the women as you walk by.) Some espanol is helpful also. Some of the columbianas spoke and/or understood zero ingles.

Dave

With Jackson's permission, this is a reprint of my most recent Curacao-related musings... (11-04-03)...

I have just returned from the island. I spent four days there.

I am not going to repeat the basics. Many have reported on Campo, including myself. I will just try to update a few things and share some thoughts.

First of all, have any of you stopped for a moment and thought about how good-natured the chicas are considering what they have to do and the general quality of the clientele? I am really amazed that they are still willing to talk to you and not try to get you out. Not that it never happens, but it has not yet happened to me.

I have found that a little ice breaker works wonders. This time I brought a selection of flavored condoms with me. Upon entering a chica's room after some small talk I would pull out a few of those and say "Today on the menu we have banana, chocolate, mint and cola!". They would chuckle and pick one out. All chicas I was with warmed up even more after something like this. A tip works wonders too.

Yes, you can budget for strictly 50 NAF encounters. However, local people are generally NOT in the habit of tipping. News travels fast in the compound. I guarantee you that within a couple of hours all of them will know who to avoid and who is really nice.

Another item to consider is why the chicas are there in the first place. They are there because for many there is really no other work whatsoever. Many of them are students, or secretaries, or nurses in Colombia. Those who are lucky to have jobs are not paid anywhere near a living wage. It is literally spread your legs or starve.

Ok, back to chicas. Management at Campo seems to be catering more to local tastes. The last time I was there there were maybe a few chicas that were pleasantly round but no fat ones. That is changing, there were a few that were really heavy for their height. But there are still so many others to choose from!

I may have mentioned this before, but the chicas really do not make that much money. They have to pay 70 NAF daily rent. There was (I was told) a period in October when business was really down, and a bunch of them were sent home to Colombia. Then there is laundry. And food. And clothes. Also, they are forced to purchase their first bunch of condoms from the office at inflated prices.So, generally they start actually making some $$ with the third client of the day.

If you are on the island not only for Campo-related activities, it is great to hook up with a chica and take her out for the day. Many of them have no way of getting out of the compound. Yes, this means an additional expense of meals, etc. but it pays off big time! I hooked up with a girl a friend of mine had recommended, and took her out to the beach and dinner three days in a row. These investments paid very rich dividends indeed. Our last session went on for almost an hour and a half and she was a real sex panther. Absolutely wore me out.

In conclusion I would like to state that Campo remains a gem. You only fully understand its possibilities to the full on your second trip or even later. It needs to be cherished.

Spanish is a must. The first time I went I had essentially no Spanish whatsoever. This tiem I brought a pocket translator and it was a lifesaver. Just from practice I picked up quite a few words and, even though I butchered all grammar and syntax mercilessly I was able to carry on conversations on a caveman level. What a way to learn a language!

The entry fee is changing, it is going to be NAF20 starting 1/1/04. This will include some casino chips and some "Campo dollars" - you can use them to tip the ladies or simply pay them. I wish they would take plastic there....

And that's all, folks!

Quick reply to Goga:

Let's assume a Campo Chica has three clients during a night, and they all pay the standard fee. Total intake 150 NAF.

Next morning the chica has to go to the office and fork over 70 NAF rent. Laundry is about 10 NAF. She has to eat - another 10 NAF. They are not allowed to cook in their rooms or have any electrical appliances except TV/CD... She may need to buy some work-related items -paper towels, wipes, condoms, etc.

So, before the next shift has begun, the chica is down to 60 NAF. That is $35. For a night's work!

I am using the 3 clients per night as an educated guess. There are some chicas who service more guys.

The girl I hung out with showed me her proceeds for the night. She would make, on average, 300 NAF before expenses but ONLY because she had a select group of clients, who would treat her well and tip her.

In conclusion, I do not regret taking care of my special chica throughout these four days at all. I reaped major dividends on my investments and achieved sensual delights that blew my mind.

Tbird,

So, before the next shift has begun, the chica is down to 60 NAF. That is $35. For a night's work!

I have traveled to Curacao three times for a total of 37 days....so here is my semi/experienced two cents worth.

Amen, Tbird you are absolutely correct!

Don't forget the price of taxi's to the Maduro bank twice a week to Hato Airport to send money to her family in Perriera, Cali, Bogota etc. The price of clothes and the price of the weekly visit to the Campo Salon, both are also necessary in her business. The price of cleaning supplies because they also have to keep their rooms clean up to government standards. The price of her international cellular telephone, because afterall she had to travel out of her unsafe country and take up new residence in a different country so we would all feel comfortable visiting her. etc etc etc.

When things are so inexpensive to begin with I agree its pretty crumby for some people to try to bleed that last nickel out of someone just because they feel they can.

In the words of Dennis Miller "But that's just my opinion I could be wrong!"

Cheers,

FORD

No, Ford, you are absolutely right. While I understand that a poor guy from Curacao may want to bargain at Campo, I feel very strongly that for a citizen of an industrialized Western nation it is an absolute disgrace to try to weasel out of paying $28.

I probably will not change the minds of those who do, I just have voiced my opinion and will stick to my habits.

Can someone recommended cheapest airline/route from Miami to Curacao, or Dallas to Curacao? Thanks in advance.

A bunch of airlines fly to Curacao from Miami, namely American and Dutch Caribbean. Since I fly from BWI, i tend to fly AA - I have a freq. flyer acct with them.

Fares vary widely, I would subscribe to a service like Travelocity and put your destinations on Fare Watcher.

Now, if you can find a cheap flight TO MIAMI, from there it is only about $220 to CUR.

Now that I have written this I realized how much I want to go back.

By the way, a basic, but cheap and chica-friendly hotel is Hotel Celeste.

www.celeste.an

They want a cc deposit but the rest you will need to pay cash on arrival. USD 50/day.

I am a DR reg. but will be in Curacao for the first time on busniess. I'll have my son with me most of the time and be staying at the hilton or Marriott on Jan 9 to the 12. I will be with a group of 8 and 5 of them are women and the other guy is a pastor. Is the campo open during the day for Its will be hard to get out at night. I am looking for short ones at daytime clubs or cabanas. BTW Ford are you the one who left the comdoms in the safe in the Sosua palace about a mounth ago. I had a bunch of my own so I left them for the next monger. I like taking photo do the girls in Curacao like taking them any information will be greatly appreciated.