Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Kafka;2477782]The USA has dropped it's 14 day quarantine requirement for all international travelers. This should get things rolling fairly quickly[/QUOTE]That is for US citizens returning to USA. The drop is not bidirectional: still most of other countries ban people from USA to enter their borders, or at least require 14-day quarantine.

It is interesting to note that Italy (I imagine the same holds for other EC countries) now fully bans people from Colombia, Brazil, and other hot countries, but allow people from USA with 14-day quarantine. See, size matters.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2477661]There's amateur action in every city in Colombia. Straight-up P4 P? I don't know, but I had awesome dates with semi-pros or amateurs in Barranquilla. A couple in Santa Marta. And surprisingly, I met some thirsty cuties in Riohacha. Armenia (Quindio) seems to be a dirty little honeypot.

For those that are here to do nothing else than fuck, then MED, BOG, CTG are the places. But if you have a hobby or other reasons to travel around, much fun can be had with the chicas.[/QUOTE]Haha "Dirty little Honeypot" I LOVE it. Funny, I've been to Colombia a few times and have had the pleasure of sleeping with about 30-40 girls (I know rookie numbers) but the most gorgeous, unforgettable, beautiful girl I've been with was from Quindio. I'm talking "wanting to stop the hobby and wife this girl up" beautiful. Then I snapped out if it. So FWIW Quindio might be worth exploring.

[QUOTE=TitusPullo88;2477747]Thanks for the info The Tall Man. I've got a question about sauan / spas in Colombia. Are there any similar spa / saunas in Colombia that are similar to the FKK clubs in Germany / Austria? I'm aware of the "casas" but is there anything like in Colombia where you can walk around in a robe, go swimming, enjoy a nice sauna / steam room, get a drink etc? I've heard of "termas" in Brazil but wasn't sure if Colombia had any.

Thanks.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JjBee62;2477778]That would be a solid no.[/QUOTE]As the other monger so aptly states unfortunately nothing like that here in all of Colombia. Do yourself a favor and when the China virus is over you need to experience it in Brazil as it is something that will stick in your mind for your life.

It has been 19 years since my last of two 3 week stays in Rio and although HELP is long gone the termas have left an indelible imprint on my mind forever.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

I don't have the source for this, so don't take it as 100% truth, but...

Economy Reactivation In Medellin:

- National flights

- Inter-municipality travel

- Restaurants

- Gyms

- Churchs

- Motels

- Outdoor theaters

- Movie theaters



Also some whispers of November being the target for international flights.

If anyone has a timeline or more information, please share.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2477957]I don't have the source for this, so don't take it as 100% truth, but...

Economy Reactivation In Medellin:

- National flights

- Inter-municipality travel

- Restaurants

- Gyms

- Churchs

- Motels.[/QUOTE]This information is contained in an article in El Colombiano dated today and has specific dates associated with each activity with bars and discotheque slated for the third week of November however I didn't see anything about International flights mentioned as this doesn't fall under the Mayors purview.

They've been running service out of apartments the past couple of months. I've been to the Los Colores sede couple of times and enjoyed it. Mostly girls that are quite attractive and eager. And I had one over to my apartment during her days off. Magnificent tetas.

WhatsApp blasts and correspondence indicates the Club location on la 33 is operating again. They're telling me to call ahead so they can be waiting and watching for arrival by a camera. Full liquor service. I have missed the downtown bars a lot, to say the least. I intend to try to check this out later in the week.

American and Spirit pushed their schedules back to resume September 10. American is flying 5 days per week direct from Miami. I assume there will be connections via Bogota the other two days, or American may rely on its new alliance with Jet Blue. Barring something yet more extraordinary than what's already been happening, everything should be close to restored before Christmas. There will of course be businesses that won't survive the lockdowns. It appears Luna Lunera's reopening was a turning point. They were always plugged in with the police and military.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2478003]This information is contained in an article in El Colombiano dated today and has specific dates associated with each activity with bars and discotheque slated for the third week of November however I didn't see anything about International flights mentioned as this doesn't fall under the Mayors purview.[/QUOTE]

Nice talent in El Centro today. Lots of chicas in Botero. Sounds like more places are opening up in a week or 2 as well.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2478049]American and Spirit pushed their schedules back to resume September 10. American is flying 5 days per week direct from Miami. I assume there will be connections via Bogota the other two days, or American may rely on its new alliance with Jet Blue. Barring something yet more extraordinary than what's already been happening, everything should be close to restored before Christmas. There will of course be businesses that won't survive the lockdowns. It appears Luna Lunera's reopening was a turning point. They were always plugged in with the police and military.[/QUOTE]My 9/1st spirit flight was canceled 2 days ago. I do see the 9/10th flight and brought my ticket already. Why hasn't duque came out to make the announcement yet, we are 7 days out from the 9/1st opening date.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2477705]Do you know if that small police substation in the SW corner of Parque Bolvar is open 24/7?[/QUOTE]I have not noticed it open but that is not the route I usually took. I usually took CR 49, CL 54 and CR 50 or variations of it. I have already been to the barber shop, restaurants on CR 50 during day time. I felt it's manageable after a while. I started to walk back to my place further north passing thru that area.

It looks like yesterday the President extended the Health Emergency until the end of November. The next few months should be interesting here.

Duque on Saturday tried to compare fatality rates with those of countries where the disease peaked weeks earlier, but was interrupted by Health Minister Fernando Ruiz who said such a comparison made no sense.

According to international data, Colombia had the highest number of deaths per million inhabitants over the past week, a little more than neighboring Peru, which registered a higher number of infections per million over the past week.

A week before the end of the president's national emergency, the virus reached a new record number of 400 daily deaths on Sunday amid what has been projected as the peak of the pandemic.

Not counting untested fatalities, 17,314 have died of the pandemic on Sunday and 541,147 people, more than 1% of the population, has been infected by the coronavirus.

Duque's attempts to restart the economy against the advice to first control the spread of the virus is showing serious cracks despite the government's barrage of false positives.

As more doctors and nurses fall ill, the country's healthcare system is close to collapsing under the weight of the pandemic as the president's promised funds to reinforce the system never arrived.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2478003]This information is contained in an article in El Colombiano dated today and has specific dates associated with each activity with bars and discotheque slated for the third week of November however I didn't see anything about International flights mentioned as this doesn't fall under the Mayors purview.[/QUOTE]Not that it matters much, but Daniel Quintero (Mayor of Medellin) Tweeted today that MDE is ready for international flights, and awaiting government approval. Knowing Colombia, that could be days or months, so again, I don't think this should be the deciding factor for any of your travel plans.

The State of Emergency is until the end of November, per Duque. Thus, if anyone is in the same position as me, you should be able to stay lawfully through the end of 2020, without needing to worry about an extension / Migracion.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2478069]My 9/1st spirit flight was canceled 2 days ago. I do see the 9/10th flight and brought my ticket already. Why hasn't duque came out to make the announcement yet, we are 7 days out from the 9/1st opening date.[/QUOTE]Still think you are going to Colombia in Sept, huh?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2478259]Still think you are going to Colombia in Sept, huh?[/QUOTE]Well, yes, according to the mayor of Medellin ([URL]https://twitter.com/QuinteroCalle/status/1298305875250155520[/URL]). I'm keeping my hopes up. Duque can still block it, but there is a very good chance heaven will open its door in a week.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2478259]Still think you are going to Colombia in Sept, huh?[/QUOTE]Of course he does!

[QUOTE=Blakman;2478242]Duque on Saturday tried to compare fatality rates with those of countries where the disease peaked weeks earlier, but was interrupted by Health Minister Fernando Ruiz who said such a comparison made no sense.

According to international data, Colombia had the highest number of deaths per million inhabitants over the past week, a little more than neighboring Peru, which registered a higher number of infections per million over the past week.

A week before the end of the president's national emergency, the virus reached a new record number of 400 daily deaths on Sunday amid what has been projected as the peak of the pandemic.

Not counting untested fatalities, 17,314 have died of the pandemic on Sunday and 541,147 people, more than 1% of the population, has been infected by the coronavirus.

Duque's attempts to restart the economy against the advice to first control the spread of the virus is showing serious cracks despite the government's barrage of false positives.

As more doctors and nurses fall ill, the country's healthcare system is close to collapsing under the weight of the pandemic as the president's promised funds to reinforce the system never arrived.[/QUOTE]Your post was entitled "No Interest In Colombia After Such Relevation", so what are you saying here? You've stated some facts, do you have some conclusions to draw from them or have you just written Colombia off based on them.

Or perhaps your skeptical of what's to come COVID wise given the planned re-start of the economy over the coming months. At least I am in this regards.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2478242]Duque on Saturday tried to compare fatality rates with those of countries where the disease peaked weeks earlier, but was interrupted by Health Minister Fernando Ruiz who said such a comparison made no sense.
According to international data, Colombia had the highest number of deaths per million inhabitants over the past week, a little more than neighboring Peru, which registered a higher number of infections per million over the past week.
[/QUOTE]Yes. Going to Colombia is putting yourself in danger. There are many strains of SARS-COV-2, and its reasonable to speculate that Colombia has a deadlier strain without the resources to treat people. Give the country a wide berth until an effective vaccine is available or the virus becomes less deadly (as it should over time).

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2478294]There are many strains of SARS-COV-2, and its reasonable to speculate that Colombia has a deadlier strain without the resources to treat people. Give the country a wide berth until an effective vaccine is available or the virus becomes less deadly (as it should over time).[/QUOTE]Nah, this strain in Colombia is more infectious but overall less deadly, however there have been a huge number of deaths in Peru because of a lack of oxygen. Sly One said in Lima that private hospitals were charging $10,000 for admission and like a $1000 per tank of oxygen. Anybody in Colombia heard of that kind of price gouging going on?

[QUOTE=SJobs;2478288]Well, yes, according to the mayor of Medellin ([URL]https://twitter.com/QuinteroCalle/status/1298305875250155520[/URL]). I'm keeping my hopes up. Duque can still block it, but there is a very good chance heaven will open its door in a week.[/QUOTE]Lots of luck bro. Keep buying tickets. Sooner or later you're bound to get lucky.

I think it's relative to where one would stay as an alternative to Colombia. Following your logic, the United States does not seem a leading safety alternative. As I've stated before, what one does can be as consequential as where one does it.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2478294]Yes. Going to Colombia is putting yourself in danger. There are many strains of SARS-COV-2, and its reasonable to speculate that Colombia has a deadlier strain without the resources to treat people. Give the country a wide berth until an effective vaccine is available or the virus becomes less deadly (as it should over time).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2478345]I think it's relative to where one would stay as an alternative to Colombia. Following your logic, the United States does not seem a leading safety alternative. As I've stated before, what one does can be as consequential as where one does it.[/QUOTE]Well, assuming that he is going to be boning multiple chicks in Colombia and those chicks will likely be with multiple guys during the same period, Colombia is not a safe alternative (as far as Covid).

One can't monger and practice social distancing at the same time.

[QUOTE=Combo;2478353]Well, assuming that he is going to be boning multiple chicks in Colombia and those chicks will likely be with multiple guys during the same period, Colombia is not a safe alternative (as far as Covid).

One can't monger and practice social distancing at the same time.[/QUOTE]Banging working girls is not safe. If you want safe stay with a wife.

[QUOTE=Combo;2478353]Well, assuming that he is going to be boning multiple chicks in Colombia and those chicks will likely be with multiple guys during the same period, Colombia is not a safe alternative (as far as Covid).

One can't monger and practice social distancing at the same time.[/QUOTE]Think of the Mongers in El Centro pulling Chicas left and right from the streets, and who knows how many passer-bys besides the guys they've been banging they have potentially been exposed to.

Not to mention if it even occurs of the disinfecting and sanitation of the rooms between clients.

Quite frankly I'm surprised that we haven't heard yet about a Love Motel in El Centro being shutdown for a while because an employee became infected.

Maybe it's already happened in the guise of a Hotel closing.

From the official website of the city of Cali:

"The National Government has declared that, in the second or third week of September 2020, "the Cali airport" would be chosen to begin the operation of international flights in Colombia. The first destinations would be the US, Panama, Peru, and Ecuador. ".

[URL]https://www.cali.gov.co/turismo/publicaciones/155674/cali-la-capital-que-inimonioia-vuelos-internacionales-en-colombia/[/URL]

Just passing some info I just saw, use it as you will.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2478326]Lots of luck bro. Keep buying tickets. Sooner or later you're bound to get lucky.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing right now. If my 9/10th ticket gets canceled again, I will immediately buy the next available one. I firmly believe in one way or another, I will get myself back in within the next 30 days. Once I'm there, I will never leave Medellin until covid is completely over.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2478364]From the official website of the city of Cali:

"The National Government has declared that, in the second or third week of September 2020, "the Cali airport" would be chosen to begin the operation of international flights in Colombia. The first destinations would be the US, Panama, Peru, and Ecuador. ".

[URL]https://www.cali.gov.co/turismo/publicaciones/155674/cali-la-capital-que-inimonioia-vuelos-internacionales-en-colombia/[/URL]

Just passing some info I just saw, use it as you will.[/QUOTE]This completely shows that the Colombian governments, both federal and local, don't give a rats ass about the pandemic. They've thrown in the towel. Sheesh, I'm staying away.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2478379]This completely shows that the Colombian governments, both federal and local, don't give a rats ass about the pandemic. They've thrown in the towel. Sheesh, I'm staying away.[/QUOTE]Yepp and if so its going to be a painful winter down there and it might be summer before it gets close to safe again. For the brave souls ignoring it, good luck. It sure would suck to end up needing breathing support down there. And in the small chance you end up there, noone is lifeflighting your covid ass back. To me that would pose a far greater threat than any criminal elements I had considered previously.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2478364]From the official website of the city of Cali:

"The National Government has declared that, in the second or third week of September 2020, "the Cali airport" would be chosen to begin the operation of international flights in Colombia. The first destinations would be the US, Panama, Peru, and Ecuador. ".

[URL]https://www.cali.gov.co/turismo/publicaciones/155674/cali-la-capital-que-inimonioia-vuelos-internacionales-en-colombia/[/URL]

Just passing some info I just saw, use it as you will.[/QUOTE]This is the best news I have heard in a very long time. Thank you so much for posting. It's an 8 hour drive from Cali to Medellin. Looks like I will be returning to heaven in 2-3 weeks.

Crikey, maybe I've died from coronavirus and I just don't realize it. Pollo, Slapshot, does this mean we died and went to heaven?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2478354]Banging working girls is not safe. If you want safe stay with a wife.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2478314]Nah, this strain in Colombia is more infectious but overall less deadly, however there have been a huge number of deaths in Peru because of a lack of oxygen. Sly One said in Lima that private hospitals were charging $10,000 for admission and like a $1000 per tank of oxygen. Anybody in Colombia heard of that kind of price gouging going on?[/QUOTE]Yes, I have heard of that here, from an acquaintance that works in a hospital billing dept here. She said that practically anyone that shows up with a complaint will be admitted for COVID, because of high billing rates. And that hospitals are reimbursed 50 million COP for COVID deaths in the UCI. And that they are asking for large sum payments up-front. I don't know anymore and that's just what I was told by one person.

Personally, as a former licensed healthcare professional, and someone who has been to two different hospitals here for testing and consults and surgery, I have no hesitation about receiving care here in Medellin if I get sick. Someone mentioned getting taking a medevac to the USA. That's silly. American hospitals don't offer any more than metropolitan Colombian hospitals do.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2478364]From the official website of the city of Cali:

"The National Government has declared that, in the second or third week of September 2020, "the Cali airport" would be chosen to begin the operation of international flights in Colombia. The first destinations would be the US, Panama, Peru, and Ecuador. ".

[URL]https://www.cali.gov.co/turismo/publicaciones/155674/cali-la-capital-que-inimonioia-vuelos-internacionales-en-colombia/[/URL]

Just passing some info I just saw, use it as you will.[/QUOTE]Yes but short of details as to what the entry requirements will be. I read it twice, and albeit my Spanish skills are limited, I saw no mention of what testing or whether there would be quarantines, except that those details would be worked out I think this coming week. IF stringent with a two week quarantine, well that will be a non-starter for most.

It almost seemed as though it was an advertisement for Cali boasting about it's geographic location, and how it's handled the Pandemic. These were the primary reasons the article say's it's opening over other Cities in the Country. You would think something like this would of been announced by the President of the Country. SJobs probably has already booked his flights!

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2478382]Yepp and if so its going to be a painful winter down there and it might be summer before it gets close to safe again. For the brave souls ignoring it, good luck. It sure would suck to end up needing breathing support down there. And in the small chance you end up there, noone is lifeflighting your covid ass back. To me that would pose a far greater threat than any criminal elements I had considered previously.[/QUOTE]Really.

Your post is very apocalyptic, especially for the board members living in Medellin.

Is it really so dangerous, granted you might get better care and access to better treatments in the USA, but it's not as gloom and doom as you make it out to be.

Alert: Humanitarian Flights from Bogotá (Sept 2, Sept 5), Cali (Sept 3), Cartagena (Sept 7), and Medellin (Aug 27, Sept 6) to Fort Lauderdale.

Location: Bogotá, Cali, Cartagena, and Medellin Event: Humanitarian Flights from Bogotá (Sept 2, Sept 5), Cali (Sept 3), Cartagena (Sept 7), and Medellin (Aug 27, Sept 6) to Fort Lauderdale – Operated by Spirit Airlines The USA Embassy is pleased to confirm Spirit Airlines is operating additional humanitarian flights. Two flights will depart from El Dorado International Airport (BOG) in Bogotá, on Sept 2 and Sept 5. One flight will depart from Alfonso Bonilla Aragóand International Airport.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2478497]Alert: Humanitarian Flights from Bogot (Sept 2, Sept 5), Cali (Sept 3), Cartagena (Sept 7), and Medellin (Aug 27, Sept 6) to Fort Lauderdale.

Location: Bogot, Cali, Cartagena, and Medellin Event: Humanitarian Flights from Bogot (Sept 2, Sept 5), Cali (Sept 3), Cartagena (Sept 7), and Medellin (Aug 27, Sept 6) to Fort Lauderdale Operated by Spirit Airlines The USA Embassy is pleased to confirm Spirit Airlines is operating additional humanitarian flights. Two flights will depart from El Dorado International Airport (BOG) in Bogot, on Sept 2 and Sept 5. One flight will depart from Alfonso Bonilla Aragand International Airport.[/QUOTE]These have been going on since the lock down in March. I believe the first flights out were the first week in April. They have continued about every 3 weeks since. Simply put, you have no clue.

You've become a real merchant of doom blakman. The humanitarian flight scheduling means there are no commercial flights scheduled for the days surrounding them. We will know more in the coming weeks. Meanwhile, I thought it had been decided by at least some that it is unacceptably risky to be in Colombia and to have sex with providers.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2478497]Alert: Humanitarian Flights from Bogot (Sept 2, Sept 5), Cali (Sept 3), Cartagena (Sept 7), and Medellin (Aug 27, Sept 6) to Fort Lauderdale.

Location: Bogot, Cali, Cartagena, and Medellin Event: Humanitarian Flights from Bogot (Sept 2, Sept 5), Cali (Sept 3), Cartagena (Sept 7), and Medellin (Aug 27, Sept 6) to Fort Lauderdale Operated by Spirit Airlines The USA Embassy is pleased to confirm Spirit Airlines is operating additional humanitarian flights. Two flights will depart from El Dorado International Airport (BOG) in Bogot, on Sept 2 and Sept 5. One flight will depart from Alfonso Bonilla Aragand International Airport.[/QUOTE]

Assuming it pans out you would have the option of national flights. You might also have the option of flights between the US and Medellin.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2478394]This is the best news I have heard in a very long time. Thank you so much for posting. It's an 8 hour drive from Cali to Medellin. Looks like I will be returning to heaven in 2-3 weeks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2478432]Crikey, maybe I've died from coronavirus and I just don't realize it. Pollo, Slapshot, does this mean we died and went to heaven?[/QUOTE]I died months ago (tussi) and rebounded. I'm either invincible or incredibly stupid. Some day, that riddle will be solved, but not yesterday!

[QUOTE=SJobs;2478394]This is the best news I have heard in a very long time. Thank you so much for posting. It's an 8 hour drive from Cali to Medellin. Looks like I will be returning to heaven in 2-3 weeks.[/QUOTE]AVIANCA UPDATE.

Avianca said to a friend today:

Thank you for contacting Avianca.

In general terms, we have been informed that the Government of Colombia has decided to extend the restriction until September 15th of 2020. That means that, probably, from that day on forward, the flight operation will be resumed. But this hasn't been confirmed.

The recommendation is for you to check directly with the migratory and health institutions on charge.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2478497]Alert: Humanitarian Flights from Bogot (Sept 2, Sept 5), Cali (Sept 3), Cartagena (Sept 7), and Medellin (Aug 27, Sept 6) to Fort Lauderdale.

Location: Bogot, Cali, Cartagena, and Medellin Event: Humanitarian Flights from Bogot (Sept 2, Sept 5), Cali (Sept 3), Cartagena (Sept 7), and Medellin (Aug 27, Sept 6) to Fort Lauderdale Operated by Spirit Airlines The USA Embassy is pleased to confirm Spirit Airlines is operating additional humanitarian flights. Two flights will depart from El Dorado International Airport (BOG) in Bogot, on Sept 2 and Sept 5. One flight will depart from Alfonso Bonilla Aragand International Airport.[/QUOTE]Blakrobot, type SOS if you need help!

Coin Slot came over for a quickie, yesterday afternoon, post-Pinky-departure. Pinky was a double-TLN, and I gave her 70k for food, etc. , when she left. Fuck, CS wouldn't even let me put it all the way in, this time. It usually takes her a bit to open up, and I normally get her warmed-up, but she was in a hurry for a virtual Sura appointment. It was nice to just have a quickie. It's been awhile. Pinky pulled a Sex Goddess and professed her love, inviting herself to live with me to cut down on her expenses. She, like SG, wasn't a huge fan of my invisible shell when she was waiting for me to say it back. Of all the girls, Pinky is probably my favorite, overall. She doesn't want a gringo boyfriend as much as SG, she fucks like a champ, she's more mature than ex-Wifey, but at the end of the day, it's all the same shit. Not as clean as I'd like, not super carinosa, doesn't cook, always needs to be drinking, smoking, or taking whatever, and needs money. Coin Slot was trying to get me to pay for her over-due colegio bill (170k). She also made sure to tell me it's her birthday in 25 days (or some exact number). I paid for her inbound Uber (15k) and then gave her 120k for the quickie and outbound Didi. I have never seen surge prices in Medellin, on Uber, but yesterday around 630p the 15k fare had skyrocketed to 35k. I also noticed it doesn't show a surge multiplier, like in the US.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2478529]... I have never seen surge prices in Medellin, on Uber, but yesterday around 630p the 15k fare had skyrocketed to 35k. I also noticed it doesn't show a surge multiplier, like in the US.[/QUOTE]Before the pandemic, I noticed that quite a bit with Uber, especially in late afternoon and early evening. Many times, it was cheaper to use Cabify (the yellow cabs).

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2478454]Yes but short of details as to what the entry requirements will be. I read it twice, and albeit my Spanish skills are limited, I saw no mention of what testing or whether there would be quarantines, except that those details would be worked out I think this coming week. IF stringent with a two week quarantine, well that will be a non-starter for most.

It almost seemed as though it was an advertisement for Cali boasting about it's geographic location, and how it's handled the Pandemic. These were the primary reasons the article say's it's opening over other Cities in the Country. You would think something like this would of been announced by the President of the Country. SJobs probably has already booked his flights![/QUOTE]It's not too good to be true. It's aimed at restarting tourism and the focus / activities of the traveler would be for tourism. For this to work, I cannot imagine it being a 14-day quarantine. A few major US airports have been doing testing for outbound Intl departures, they might require a negative test to avoid quarantine and that would be OK. It's one airport but it's a good start and I would expect the rest of the country to follow suit within a few weeks of this. I predicted this previously, Colombia has been closed off for months and whether you want to believe it or not tourism is important as Colombia has always had plans to increase tourism every year. People kept pointing out GDP and tourism being a small drop in the bucket and it wouldn't happen. And now what? Colombialover will be devastated he got this one wrong and that people will be able to travel to Colombia, but most of us will not. If anyone is concerned, stay at home. The rest of us, well. 2020 has a chance to finish on a positive note.

If theres the presence of humanitarian flights it means no other international flights. Until humanatarian flights become non existent then there will be no other international flights. Its you who don't have a clue.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2478502]These have been going on since the lock down in March. I believe the first flights out were the first week in April. They have continued about every 3 weeks since. Simply put, you have no clue.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Blakman;2478566]If theres the presence of humanitarian flights it means no other international flights. Until humanatarian flights become non existent then there will be no other international flights. Its you who don't have a clue.

.[/QUOTE]Blakmanometry...

Humanitarian Flights cannot be cancelled once they are scheduled. Only Commercial Flights are allowed to be cancelled.

Sorry to SJobs, et al!

All this news might get me to extend my rent beyond a month. I also think I will hold off on Pereira, or another location, and see how things shape up the next few weeks. I'd rather do Pereira in November when things are open, rather than experience a shell of it, now. I also might get some dental work done in the next month, and don't want to be traveling with some uncertainties surrounding that process.

I forgot to mention, the Hooters GM said they're opening Monday! Patrick's was thinking a much longer timeline before their re-opening. I was told the Hooters building was a former Escobar house. Maybe the owners have some connections that a gringo would not, or maybe Hooters just has the ability to throw more money at a solution. Regardless, I can almost guarantee I'll be sipping a cold Aguila and oogling the talent, in the very near future!

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2478451]Yes, I have heard of that here, from an acquaintance that works in a hospital billing dept here. She said that practically anyone that shows up with a complaint will be admitted for COVID, because of high billing rates. And that hospitals are reimbursed 50 million COP for COVID deaths in the UCI. And that they are asking for large sum payments up-front. I don't know anymore and that's just what I was told by one person.

Personally, as a former licensed healthcare professional, and someone who has been to two different hospitals here for testing and consults and surgery, I have no hesitation about receiving care here in Medellin if I get sick. American hospitals don't offer any more than metropolitan Colombian hospitals do.[/QUOTE]Do you know if they will take insurance in light of that upfront payment? Do you know how much they are asking for upfront? That may be a reason for me not to go.

In a weird way, Colombian hospitals bilking the government and insurance companies with Covid just like they are in the USA is refreshing to me in a weird way because they have been devoid of so many revenues from elective procedures. The treatment for Covid is heparin (cheap), steroids, (cheap), and oxygen (should be cheap). I think that people miss the point with Covid. Everyone is talking about death, but death rates are down. The thing is that people do get sick very quickly with Covid, and they need high dose oxygen right away.

When Sly one said that oxygen is in short supply in Peru, that clinched it for me, no fucking way am I going there if that is the case. Not having oxygen may be why the death rates are so high in Peru. He also indicated that they are not taking insurance only cash for oxygen.

Anyone interested in Colombia should probably do what is mandated in Brazil and buy health insurance when going to Colombia once it opens. It was dirt cheap for Brazil. For a two week trip, $20 got you $50,000 in coverage.

The question now is: will the hospitals just take the insurance or do they want thousands up front like the hospitals in Peru do? Does anyone here know?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2478459]Really.

Your post is very apocalyptic, especially for the board members living in Medellin.

Is it really so dangerous, granted you might get better care and access to better treatments in the USA, but it's not as gloom and doom as you make it out to be.[/QUOTE]Yes really, if you've been anything close to these areas where its surged like crazy, it gets to feel exactly apocalyptic. Ask those in Lombardy, or NY or the Rio Grande valley etc and then see how they describe. Hey I don't want for this to happen there or anywhere and maybe it won't but they in Medellin haven't gone through anything like the hard hit areas. It certainly should factor into people's thinking. After that each monger makes their own call. But saying its minimal risk or totally rationalizing it away is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2478451]Yes, I have heard of that here, from an acquaintance that works in a hospital billing dept here. She said that practically anyone that shows up with a complaint will be admitted for COVID, because of high billing rates. And that hospitals are reimbursed 50 million COP for COVID deaths in the UCI. And that they are asking for large sum payments up-front. I don't know anymore and that's just what I was told by one person.

Personally, as a former licensed healthcare professional, and someone who has been to two different hospitals here for testing and consults and surgery, I have no hesitation about receiving care here in Medellin if I get sick. Someone mentioned getting taking a medevac to the USA. That's silly. American hospitals don't offer any more than metropolitan Colombian hospitals do.[/QUOTE]Damn dude, I don't know what kind of licensed medical professional you were, but if you were to get sick, I mean like ICU level sick, costs aside, there is no better place to be than in the US. Heck most 3rd world hospitals haven't even heard of far less have ecmo treatment for example, but like I said, to each their own, rationalization is a powerful thing, especially when youthful warm pussy is calling. 😂.

What's the advice? I'm getting whiplash from trying to follow the discussion that now touches on Europe, New York and Arizona / Mexico. Surf touched on a salient point. Coronavirus is historically bad but there are many other health threats (including traumatic accidents) that can hit without warning. If there are doubts about surviving health care delivery in Colombia then it's not a place where you can live, or even play. If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths? Is it a case of misleading statistics? Anyway, I think I agree it's best to stay away if you would not feel safe.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2478589]Yes really, if you've been anything close to these areas where its surged like crazy, it gets to feel exactly apocalyptic. Ask those in Lombardy, or NY or the Rio Grande valley etc and then see how they describe. Hey I don't want for this to happen there or anywhere and maybe it won't but they in Medellin haven't gone through anything like the hard hit areas. It certainly should factor into people's thinking. After that each monger makes their own call. But saying its minimal risk or totally rationalizing it away is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2478562]Colombia has been closed off for months and whether you want to believe it or not tourism is important as Colombia has always had plans to increase tourism every year. People kept pointing out GDP and tourism being a small drop in the bucket and it wouldn't happen. And now what?[/QUOTE]That is a great question, Puntz, now what? Colombia did everything Fauci and the so called experts said. Here is an article showing Fauci saying all states should have done a generalized lockdown. Thing is the states in the USA who did not go into lockdown have not had their economies devastated or a huge rise in viral cases. See the link: [URL]https://www.aier.org/article/a-closer-look-at-the-states-that-stayed-open/[/URL].

The lockdowns were put in place so the virus did not overwhelm the health care system. Then some politicians got great results with the lockdowns and touted them as cures and patted themselves on the back for getting rid of the virus. Thing is that the virus mutated and when the USA reversed the lockdowns, cases of Covid did not go down but soared and places like New Zealand which declared victory over the virus saw it come back. In addition, Colombia opened things up a little and also had a surge in cases, yet people to this day think that Covid is a one size fits all thing.

I like your question, and now what? The president locked down the country, banned international travel, and cases have soared such that Colombia is now #7 in the world with cases. Even the well worn line of the experts in a case of horrific policy, "Can you imagine if we had done nothing? Kind of falls on its face here because you have examples of places that did do nothing and had a better outcome than Colombia has.

The funny thing is that one American political has invested in the so called experts so much that they cannot even admit when the experts are all over the place or wrong. How this relates to Colombia is what do you do next if you are Colombia which followed all the expert advice?

The excuse given for this failure has been that the people were not compliant with the laws. So what do you do now? Shoot people who do not wear a mask? You have locked people up for five months to "stay safe" and they have suffered financially, and the virus is raging anyway.

Did banning international travel work to slow the virus in Colombia? Of course not, yet the president is keeping it in place not because it worked but because he does not want to admit he made a mistake. What other reason is there?

Someone said that in all the models, models that have failed spectacularly in Colombia, movement was associated with spread of the disease as if movement can be curtailed. How are busted water pipes fixed without movement? Health care workers getting to work? I guess the idea is government regulation of movement was supposed to be the answer, essential and nonessential movement, but those models were doomed. How can government even begin to regulate all movement? And even if they could, how could it be right about which movements transmit the virus and which ones do not? Come on. That was unrealistic and an impossible task.

And now what? Here is what I predict. The president closes back down again, prays the number of cases goes down, and that the economy can rebound from this horrible devastation from these failed policies. And the next time when Colombia opens up, he prays the number of cases does not surge, but there is no science behind the answer. You are betting that the policies that failed in the past now work. He is completely winging it, and the people of Colombia and those of us who want to go there are losing faith.

If Colombia starts charging a $1000 per bottle of oxygen, the death rate in Colombia will soon be approaching that of Peru, and I am not going. If people do not have faith in a country's health care system, they will not travel there, and that tourism will be gone for years. Sadly, that is what I see happening in Colombia, a mirror of Peru, and there is no way in hell I would go to Peru now.

The president has not learned from his mistakes and the economic destruction continues going forward as does the viral destruction. Either one of two things happens: the virus burns itself out or people realize that they have to live with the virus and carry on with it as a risk as best they can, but I think either scenario will not come to fruition in months or even years.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2478589]Yes really, if you've been anything close to these areas where its surged like crazy, it gets to feel exactly apocalyptic. Ask those in Lombardy, or NY or the Rio Grande valley etc and then see how they describe. Hey I don't want for this to happen there or anywhere and maybe it won't but they in Medellin haven't gone through anything like the hard hit areas. It certainly should factor into people's thinking. After that each monger makes their own call. But saying its minimal risk or totally rationalizing it away is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]My post did not mention anything about minimal risk, the virus is a clear and present danger, but your post made it sound like Medellin would possibly be in turmoil until next Summer, maybe you were thinking similar to Lombardy, Italy or New York City.

I doubt and hope that will not be the case, as Colombia has been pretty good at throttling things thus far, and I agree with you regarding Hospitals in the USA being better, but your post made it seem as though the Hospitals in Medellin are truly third world which isn't the case. I am concerned though as to how things will fare when they open up all the restaurants and bars, and suspect Colombia will clamp down if things get out of control which unfortunately has been the case in other Countries upon re-starting things.

The whole thing is a shitty deal, especially for those of us who are retired with money to burn like me.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2478597]What's the advice? I'm getting whiplash from trying to follow the discussion that now touches on Europe, New York and Arizona / Mexico. Surf touched on a salient point.[/QUOTE]Knowledge,

It is real simple with me and Covid. If I get sick, can I get oxygen or am I having to pay tens of thousands like in Peru? If I cannot get it at an affordable price in that country, it is off limits. The rate of death with Covid and oxygen is something I will risk. Without oxygen, it is something I will not risk and I think no one, not even younger people in their 20's and 30's, should risk.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2478597]What's the advice? I'm getting whiplash from trying to follow the discussion that now touches on Europe, New York and Arizona / Mexico. Surf touched on a salient point. Coronavirus is historically bad but there are many other health threats (including traumatic accidents) that can hit without warning. If there are doubts about surviving health care delivery in Colombia then it's not a place where you can live, or even play. If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths? Is it a case of misleading statistics? Anyway, I think I agree it's best to stay away if you would not feel safe.[/QUOTE]If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths?

Your ISG name is knowledge? Is that you being funny? Everyone knows the best health care by light years in the world is in the USA, what is "best"? Highly advanced treatments highly advanced.

And skilled surgeons and physicians and researchers, the absolute highly ranked in the world.

To answer your question, why so many died, well too many flights were allowed in from Asia, and many travelers flew from Asia then Europe then to the east coast.

Also many people that died were very old and ill already, also just because the USA has the absolute "best" medicine in the world doesn't mean everyone chooses to access it.

Some choose to go uninsured, or go to the shitty hospital nearest to their home rather than driving to the best medical facility in their area only 10 or 20 miles away.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2478562]It's not too good to be true. It's aimed at restarting tourism and the focus / activities of the traveler would be for tourism. For this to work, I cannot imagine it being a 14-day quarantine. A few major US airports have been doing testing for outbound Intl departures, they might require a negative test to avoid quarantine and that would be OK. It's one airport but it's a good start and I would expect the rest of the country to follow suit within a few weeks of this. I predicted this previously, Colombia has been closed off for months and whether you want to believe it or not tourism is important as Colombia has always had plans to increase tourism every year. People kept pointing out GDP and tourism being a small drop in the bucket and it wouldn't happen. And now what? Colombialover will be devastated he got this one wrong and that people will be able to travel to Colombia, but most of us will not. If anyone is concerned, stay at home. The rest of us, well. 2020 has a chance to finish on a positive note.[/QUOTE]No disagreement here on a 14 day quarantine being a non-starter. Best case scenario would be a negative test result and free to go. However I suspect Colombia will not be allowing this as they have been very conservative thus far, and I hope I am wrong on this. Some other Countries are testing upon arrival and making you stay in a Hotel for a few days waiting test results. This is very doable, where as other Countries are still requiring a 14 day quarantine period. If Colombia truly wants to re-start things, then hopefully they will make it easy. We will know soon enough as to what those requirements are, and hopefully they will be doable for those wanting to return.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2478569]I forgot to mention, the Hooters GM said they're opening Monday! Patrick's was thinking a much longer timeline before their re-opening. I was told the Hooters building was a former Escobar house. Maybe the owners have some connections that a gringo would not, or maybe Hooters just has the ability to throw more money at a solution. Regardless, I can almost guarantee I'll be sipping a cold Aguila and oogling the talent, in the very near future![/QUOTE]Nice! This is good news. Will the hooter staff be required to wear a mask? It would be a bummer to not be able to see those high quality talents' face.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2478590]Damn dude, I don't know what kind of licensed medical professional you were, but if you were to get sick, I mean like ICU level sick, costs aside, there is no better place to be than in the US. Heck most 3rd world hospitals haven't even heard of far less have ecmo treatment for example, but like I said, to each their own, rationalization is a powerful thing, especially when youthful warm pussy is calling. 😂.[/QUOTE]I don't think the better hospitals in Colombia are anything close to third world. They are rated very highly and I doubt there are any treatments that are "unknown" to them. Many international ratings put the Colombian health care system far ahead of the USA. Now. Before you get riled up. I believe that if you have great insurance or a lot of money there is some of the best health care in the world available in the USA. But, not available to everyone I've been told. Anyway, my main point is that the standards for doctors and medical procedures is very high in Colombia. The hospitals may not be as luxurious or sometimes as comfortable, but the skill levels and access to medical knowledge is there. But I don't want to have Covid there. Or anywhere for that matter.

Hotel Botero (Ayenda 1235) has 2 glass entrance doors. The door handles on both doors have been removed. Interpret that to the best of your ability.

Wolf662. I went for my 500 peso chocolate caramel inside donut on the other corner today. Crossed the street and asked the police officer if the sub-station will be open 24/7 after things return to normal. He said yes. I have seen several police sub-stations in parks. The police come and go. Mostly they are gone as things get later and more quiet at night. That area is full of lady boys so run fast!

Side Note:

Some of the stories you guys write are so much BS you should write your fantasy stories on the literotica site.

Bad Girls:

Walking Calle 52. Side of Museum is on your right and side of buildings are on your left. Turn left on what I call "bar street" Carrera 53. Keeping on the left side of the street you pass 50 meters of brick wall and come to your first business entrance which is a short time hotel. The hotel only asked for ID once out of 6 visits. But that was the last time I was there so not sure what is happening currently. Anyways, I believe all the girls are bad there. I only took the cute little spinner in front because the rest are fugly. I got her number a month ago and she wanted 40,000 paid upfront. I waited over a month. Finally I thought I would try it and hope for the best. She was horrible. Pulled her tube top like bra up but not off. Shoes still on and got into the doggie position. I did not play with her boobs or try other positions. I knew I had a lemon. If I tried anything else with her I would have become deflated and never got back up again. There goes $13 good hard earned dollars. Someone please start a Go-Fund-Me page for me to get my money back.

There are a bunch of pick pockets in that group. 3 that I know of. I have not been bothered during the day but at 6:00 pm when it starts getting dark they try to grab onto you grabbing your ass, junk, and fake hug. There is a black girl, a Latin girl, and a fat ugly sickly pale white looking girl. The fat one was walking towards me with a skinny guy friend with her. She tried to hug the guy walking in front of me and I saw in her hand the 5000 bill she won off the local guy as she past by me.

Some Downer Dating Attempts:

I normally pay 50,000 and had a few no shows during the lock down days. One claimed she could not find a baby sitter. I explained that everyone is trapped indoors during the lock down. How is that even possible? Anyways she came the next lock down weekend. She had 3 balloons with candy bars in some pretty arrangement she was taking to her niece after she left my place.

At Centro a girl wanted 50,000. I did not really want her but I had told her I would take her a week before until she quoted that price. All the others want 30,000 so her asking 50,000 told me she was going to be worthless and she was no big deal to be sure.

There is this one girl I was watching. Usually sitting next to a candy or coffee seller. Normally dresses in T-shirt and jeans (nothing sexy). Last week I saw her in a tight dress thing I did not like. Girl next door type with a little makeup, nice hair, new looking clothes. Never saw her go with anyone. She must have seen me at least twice minimum. Finally decided it was her turn and showed her 30,000 on my calculator. She said no and then types her price of 120,000. That answers why I had never seen her go with any guy.

Had a really big boob girl who was 2 months pregnant. It was great. But not the next day. Took her again. This time her neck tickled so could not kiss her there. Her boobs also tickled as I tried to suck on them. Deleted her number as soon as I was out the hotel door!

Coffee girl between the front of the Museum and the street. She is skinny with blondish light brown hair. Her boobs are mush. Sex was good though. I mention her because I saw her pull the neckline of her shirt down, squeeze her boob, and shoot a guy with her milk. So if you are looking for a coffee with real milk. Best get it quickly.

PN "The girls are much more emaciated and the weight loss is evident. "

Many girls have my number and they are not lighting up my phone. So after saying that and the examples listed above. Exactly where are these starving girls and the gang you spoke of before that runs everything in Centro? People everywhere around the world are hurting for money, but pretty girls are not. Nothing has changed with these girls during my 3 months Barranquilla or 2 months in Medellin. No replies, no shows, late, horrible performance, asking too much and not coming down with the price to where reality is.

As for the danger you speak of. I have 5 different pairs of plaid shorts and flip flops I wear. I might as well be wearing a shirt in Spanish that on the front says "Non-Spanish speaking lost foreigner" and the back "If your rob me. You are just practicing. I am poorer than you". I am short and always alone and largely get left alone. You make it sound so dangerous like guys need to come to you like you are an expert and they need you as a guide. It is not fair to the newbies that do not know what to believe. Now for the guys that have been coming here for years and believe you then they are in a world of hurt in paying attention and logical thinking. I speak no Spanish, have 1 month experience last year and 1 months currently. (Had to subtract a month for lock down and avoiding Botero at times. Girls getting mad I took them once but not a second time.) So I am not even hunting hard like I used to.

Danger:

My bad. There is danger. Sitting across from Premier Plaza Suite. Girl trying to talk to me around 7:00 pm got shit on her shoulder by a bird. Very tiny amount. Next week I made the mistake of sitting there at 8:00 and I felt something at my ankle. Thought it was a mosquito. Damn it! I got bird shit on my ankle and onto the heel of my sandals. Then at my hotel I noticed a spot on the back of my shirt from either a direct hit or leaning back in the chair. This is a true story. I shit you not and I fear being under trees at night in Botero.

Fun to be had:

I have had some really hot and fun girls. The last one is the best one. 18, big firm tits, flat tummy, pretty face with slight dimples, fun attitude. 9 or 10. Took her 2 days in a row and probably see her Saturday and Sunday this weekend. Praying she does not change hotels. She is 1.5 blocks away and right on time. Eventually I hope to do her friend. I would love to post her pix but afraid to ruin her gravy train if by chance one of you fools had met her before me and are sponsoring her now in her time of need.

Bad Short Time Hotels:

On Calle 51 near Carrera 53 is a D1 Store. If you walk out D1 Store. Across the street and to your right is a short time hotel. I noticed police outside twice. About a week later a girl took me there and in the first room to the right at the top of the stairs were 2-3 police in one of the rooms. The light was off so could not see well and did not want to stare. Never seen that before. I asked the girl later and she said the owner was friends with the police. Strange they were talking in a semi-dark room rather than in the office area. I will not go there. They are friends. But neither the owner nor the police are friends with me. I can vision many bad scenarios but few good ones. Though I have not noticed police there since.

Short walk to the corner short time hotel. The girls buy food downstairs and then go upstairs to eat in the ST hotel. Nice view of the action from there. Outside it is the one with the bars that curve around the top floor. But I hate that ST hotel. So loud and they are always banging on doors to kick people out. They also knock at the 20 minute mark from what I can tell from my 2 visits.

I should be leaving on the next humanitarian flight out in October if they continue. Any lurkers here that wants to learn what is really happening in Centro PM me. I will point out my bad, OK, and good girls. I can show you the lady boy area too. Hard to miss them. They were surrounding my earlier hotel. Not my thing. So I will walk you around, get my favorite donuts that is in that area, and leave you to it. 15 minute walk from Botero, 15 minutes to show you their location. I will not stop and chat with them. I do not want them to bother me when I get my donuts.

Now if someone wants to show me around to the few open casas or massage parlors that would be great. That is an arena I have not played in yet. It would save me much time since so many are closed.

Food:

Warning food porn! About 2 blocks away across from Miami Center is Los Torres Horno why Parrilla Cra. 53 #49-43. Opens noon to 6:00? Great smoked meat and lots of it! Better than grilled. I told him to give me the double meal for 35,000. He was hinting to the single for 25,000 but I wanted leftovers. He gave me a taste even though I did not need convincing. I was buying. The smell alone did that. Go by and take a taste test. If these girls only knew that if they put a touch of smoked bacon grease on their necks most of us could not resist them (so much better than flowery perfume).

Food warning. OK only about lettuce. They store the lettuce in cold water to keep crisp and so it does not brown. Problem is that the water from my salad run into my other food. My battered and fried fish was getting a bit soggy. Yuck. Same happened when eating tacos. The lettuce caused the tortilla shells to be soggy.

Travel:

I said it before (Barranquilla thread) and I will say it again. I just looked up bus tickets between cities in late September on the 2 sites below. No trips unless you meet very certain criteria. Read about my trip from BAQ to MED. You guys wishing upon a star really think the country will open international flights before or even at the same time that they open the busing between cities? Best be watching the bus sites before flight sites.

[URL]https://www.copetran.com[/URL]

[URL]https://www.expresobrasilia.com/[/URL]

Update: Ran into my 18 year old hottie and her friend around 7:00 pm about 5 blocks away from where we both have hotels. I was eating a 1000 peso ice cream cone. She wanted one so I handed her 2000 pesos. She simply put it in her pocket. They walked with me most of the way back to our hotels and she said she had not eaten and wanted bread since we were standing in front of a pastry shop. I told her BS. You both have 3-5 boyfriends. But handed her 10,000 pesos. Damn my 30 minute walk to get a 1000 peso cone cost me 13,000 pesos. She put the money in her pocket and they went there own way. No not into the pastry shop. But I knew that to start with.

Her friend that I wanted before. Not so much now. On our walk we past a watch store. She pointed at the watches and then at her friend. Same scenario as we past a store of tuxedos and fancy dresses. Then she pointed at the 1 meter tall stuffed animal (near the entrance of course) and then to her friend. People worldwide have money problems and she is pointing toward all this useless junk. Nothing ever changes with these girls. Always is the girl you want and her pain in the at $$ friend.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2478628]I don't think the better hospitals in Colombia are anything close to third world. They are rated very highly and I doubt there are any treatments that are "unknown" to them. Many international ratings put the Colombian health care system far ahead of the USA. Now. Before you get riled up. I believe that if you have great insurance or a lot of money there is some of the best health care in the world available in the USA. But, not available to everyone I've been told. Anyway, my main point is that the standards for doctors and medical procedures is very high in Colombia. The hospitals may not be as luxurious or sometimes as comfortable, but the skill levels and access to medical knowledge is there. But I don't want to have Covid there. Or anywhere for that matter.[/QUOTE]I haven't been inside a hospital here in Medellin or anywhere else in Colombia. I know, however, that my good friend's niece had a brain surgery that I am familiar with (aneurysm coiling procedure) in March or April (visiting restricted to parents only, 1 hour a day, that was cruel in my opinion) and it was a complete success.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2478597] If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths? Is it a case of misleading statistics? Anyway, I think I agree it's best to stay away if you would not feel safe.[/QUOTE]I'd read this BBC article, the US is not the worse by per capita:

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53780196[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2478628]I don't think the better hospitals in Colombia are anything close to third world. They are rated very highly [/QUOTE]I agree with you and a quick internet source research I did agrees with you also. Anyone familiar with the standard in the USA for a hospital to do business insurance / medicaid wise is Joint Commission accreditation. There is an international Joint Commission and there are Hospitals in Colombia that are certified. Two in Bogota, one in Medellin, one in Cali, and one in Floridablanca / Bucaramanga. The one in Medellin is Hospital Pablo Tobon Uribe.

[URL]https://www.worldhospitalsearch.org/hospital-search/?F_Country=Colombia&pg=2[/URL]

It is worth mentioning that Joint Commission is a business and they are expensive so outside the USA just because a hospital is not accredited with them it might just mean they do not want to pay the expensive fees. It is not necessarily a reflection on the quality of the hospital. Colombia has been known as a "medical tourism" country where people come to get procedures that are much more expensive in USA so maybe they get the accreditation to attract people from outside the country.

Your question, if that what it is, isn't clear. I hope this helps:

There is health insurance available in Colombia and hospitals accept it. The plans vary by inclusions / exclusions, cost, and other conditions. If you were asking about insurance purchased outside of Colombia you should consult the insurer. Certain plans from other countries include or can be enhanced by international travel coverage. Apologies if I misinterpreted what you were getting at.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2478579]Do you know if they will take insurance in light of that upfront payment? Do you know how much they are asking for upfront? That may be a reason for me not to go.

In a weird way, Colombian hospitals bilking the government and insurance companies with Covid just like they are in the USA is refreshing to me in a weird way because they have been devoid of so many revenues from elective procedures. The treatment for Covid is heparin (cheap), steroids, (cheap), and oxygen (should be cheap). I think that people miss the point with Covid. Everyone is talking about death, but death rates are down. The thing is that people do get sick very quickly with Covid, and they need high dose oxygen right away.

When Sly one said that oxygen is in short supply in Peru, that clinched it for me, no fucking way am I going there if that is the case. Not having oxygen may be why the death rates are so high in Peru. He also indicated that they are not taking insurance only cash for oxygen.

Anyone interested in Colombia should probably do what is mandated in Brazil and buy health insurance when going to Colombia once it opens. It was dirt cheap for Brazil. For a two week trip, $20 got you $50,000 in coverage.

The question now is: will the hospitals just take the insurance or do they want thousands up front like the hospitals in Peru do? Does anyone here know?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2478597]What's the advice? I'm getting whiplash from trying to follow the discussion that now touches on Europe, New York and Arizona / Mexico. Surf touched on a salient point. Coronavirus is historically bad but there are many other health threats (including traumatic accidents) that can hit without warning. If there are doubts about surviving health care delivery in Colombia then it's not a place where you can live, or even play. If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths? Is it a case of misleading statistics? Anyway, I think I agree it's best to stay away if you would not feel safe.[/QUOTE]The point is when weighing up risks its important to stay objective. That is not something most mongers do well faced with the prospect of youthful paisa pussy. 180 k deaths in the US so far, at this rate Colombia is on the way to the same numner per capita, just a couple of months behind, with the prospect of going even higher. As a comparison, in the US its roughly 40 k MVA deaths and a similar number of gun deaths......over and entire year! Yet that is a risk we have learnt to accept and live with. If you look at the locations caught off guard or that let be, then the death rates per capita was like 4-5 x the national average. Imagine if a place like MDE were to get to that. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be there through that period. I think by next summer everything blows over and its quite safe again. The risks of crime and car accidents are on the low side compared to this real and present contagious disease in a society where community spread is rampant.

Sure each monger will decide for himself, and maybe a young, fit, 30 yr old will not care. I am not here to comvince anyone, but framing the risk as just another similar level to the usual risk is not accurate.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2478569]Humanitarian Flights cannot be cancelled once they are scheduled. Only Commercial Flights are allowed to be cancelled.[/QUOTE]What is the point of scheduling "humanitarian flights" (let us reflect on the meaning of the word "humanitarian") and bearing their high cost, when there are commercial regular flights scheduled?

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2478655]The point is when weighing up risks its important to stay objective. That is not something most mongers do well faced with the prospect of youthful paisa pussy. 180 k deaths in the US so far, at this rate Colombia is on the way to the same numner per capita, just a couple of months behind, with the prospect of going even higher. As a comparison, in the US its roughly 40 k MVA deaths and a similar number of gun deaths......over and entire year! Yet that is a risk we have learnt to accept and live with. If you look at the locations caught off guard or that let be, then the death rates per capita was like 4-5 x the national average. Imagine if a place like MDE were to get to that. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be there through that period. I think by next summer everything blows over and its quite safe again. The risks of crime and car accidents are on the low side compared to this real and present contagious disease in a society where community spread is rampant.

Sure each monger will decide for himself, and maybe a young, fit, 30 yr old will not care. I am not here to comvince anyone, but framing the risk as just another similar level to the usual risk is not accurate.[/QUOTE]I never knew that gun deaths and automobile accident deaths were contagious.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2478694]What is the point of scheduling "humanitarian flights" (let us reflect on the meaning of the word "humanitarian") and bearing their high cost, when there are commercial regular flights scheduled?[/QUOTE]I don't have an answer for your question, but my tongue-in-cheek point is that I highly doubt the government / Minister of Transport / etc. would make a decision so far in advance that no humanitarian flights would need to be cancelled. It is a fluid situation that is being investigated and prepared for on a daily basis. So, the job of the foreign governments is to provide humanitarian flights. The job of the local government is to open international travel when they see fit. Those will likely overlap, and thus, humanitarian flights will be cancelled once commercial flights are approved to open. I thought it was funny that because a humanitarian flight is scheduled a month from now, we should assume that means something can't change. Everyone does realize we've had the quarantine extended about 8 times, here, and there have been about 15 target dates for travel re-opening discussed on this board? When Duque announces a date for international travel to open, the humanitarian flights will stop, and any future dates will be removed. This isn't rocket science.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2478566]If theres the presence of humanitarian flights it means no other international flights. Until humanatarian flights become non existent then there will be no other international flights. Its you who don't have a clue.

.[/QUOTE]This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.

On further note, the Ministry of Health mentioned today that international flights are eligible to resume after September 1st, the question will be what routes between what countries because those all depend on bilateral agreements, entry restrictions, etc. A number of factors. But what is clear is that the restriction to not allow international flights which has been in place since March, it will be removed as planned. Proof of a covid negative test will be required, and since it was stated that the reasoning behind lifting of the restrictions is "if biosecurity measures established are met by the airlines, the probability of a traveler being infected by Covid-19 is less than 1%" citing a recent study which concluded that the risk of contracting covid-19 during travel is no greater a risk than any other day-to-day activities. So my assumption is that they will not have a 14 day quarantine requirement, unless certain above risk countries are identified where cases are rising significantly. Some regional latin american countries probably will get the nod first before the USA but I don't think we will be far behind, since we have bilateral relations established with Colombia. But again, humanitarian flights and international flights are two very different things and just because one is operating between countries does not mean the other cannot between other countries until humanitarian flights end. That is silly.

[URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/economia/sectores/coronavirus-en-colombia-minsalud-autoriza-vuelos-internacionales-533854?fbclid=IwAR0A5nXb3AijzE5gg6bKbcZyhVmRcvBIQCXRo_1Cb8UHCYwrbAgWi-JxaNo[/URL]

It is official. I am confused as hell at the moment.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2478758]This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.

On further note, the Ministry of Health mentioned today that international flights are eligible to resume after September 1st, the question will be what routes between what countries because those all depend on bilateral agreements, entry restrictions, etc. A number of factors. But what is clear is that the restriction to not allow international flights which has been in place since March, it will be removed as planned. Proof of a covid negative test will be required, and since it was stated that the reasoning behind lifting of the restrictions is "if biosecurity measures established are met by the airlines, the probability of a traveler being infected by Covid-19 is less than 1%" citing a recent study which concluded that the risk of contracting covid-19 during travel is no greater a risk than any other day-to-day activities..[/QUOTE]Thank you for this encouraging and well reasoned post! Here is the link to support the facts you have mentioned [URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/economia/sectores/coronavirus-en-colombia-minsalud-autoriza-vuelos-internacionales-533854[/URL].

For people like me, who are dying to get back to Medellin, a 14 day mandatory quarantine and needing to go through a secondary Latin America country that is in the first wave of allow countries is not a problem.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2478758]This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.[/QUOTE]But, why even offer the humanitarian flights now if they are just going to have regular international flight--probably to / from the same destinations as the humanitarian flights-anyway? It makes no sense. If they were about to open up international flights in a week or 2. They wouldn't need to offer 'humanitarian' flights now.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2478590]Damn dude, I don't know what kind of licensed medical professional you were, but if you were to get sick, I mean like ICU level sick, costs aside, there is no better place to be than in the US. Heck most 3rd world hospitals haven't even heard of far less have ecmo treatment for example, but like I said, to each their own, rationalization is a powerful thing, especially when youthful warm pussy is calling..[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Sorry, but the US really isn't 'exceptional' on most things. Americans are not living in the most free country and the world, they don't have the most rights, and they don't have the best medical care -or medical system.

I'd much rather be in most hospitals in Northern Europe if I had Covid-19. I would trust the care more in some places in southeast Asia as well (Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, Singapore). I think you might get better overall care in Costa Rica for this as well.

I had some medical work in Colombia--better care than anything I ever had in the US-I was genuinely impressed with the medical facilities and hospital in Barranquilla! (Though, maybe, with the specifics of covid Colombia wouldn't be preferable to the US).

I would also trust the Covid medial treatments in Australia and New Zealand over any medical facility in the US.

Two questions: 1. What is the source of your statement that "proof of a covid negative test will be required"? 2. What is the definition of proof?

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2478758]This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.

On further note, the Ministry of Health mentioned today that international flights are eligible to resume after September 1st, the question will be what routes between what countries because those all depend on bilateral agreements, entry restrictions, etc. A number of factors. But what is clear is that the restriction to not allow international flights which has been in place since March, it will be removed as planned. Proof of a covid negative test will be required, and since it was stated that the reasoning behind lifting of the restrictions is "if biosecurity measures established are met by the airlines, the probability of a traveler being infected by Covid-19 is less than 1%" citing a recent study which concluded that the risk of contracting covid-19 during travel is no greater a risk than any other day-to-day activities. So my assumption is that they will not have a 14 day quarantine requirement, unless certain above risk countries are identified where cases are rising significantly. Some regional latin american countries probably will get the nod first before the USA but I don't think we will be far behind, since we have bilateral relations established with Colombia..[/QUOTE]

I am in the united states. And if there is humanitarian flights to the United States, it means theres no other airlines flying into the country at those times. I can give 2 shit about other countries. I do not live there. But I respect your technical assessment. I think slapshortie excuse I mean slapshot probably agrees.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2478758]This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.

On further note, the Ministry of Health mentioned today that international flights are eligible to resume after September 1st, the question will be what routes between what countries because those all depend on bilateral agreements, entry restrictions, etc. A number of factors. But what is clear is that the restriction to not allow international flights which has been in place since March, it will be removed as planned. Proof of a covid negative test will be required, and since it was stated that the reasoning behind lifting of the restrictions is "if biosecurity measures established are met by the airlines, the probability of a traveler being infected by Covid-19 is less than 1%" citing a recent study which concluded that the risk of contracting covid-19 during travel is no greater a risk than any other day-to-day activities. So my assumption is that they will not have a 14 day quarantine requirement, unless certain above risk countries are identified where cases are rising significantly. Some regional latin american countries probably will get the nod first before the USA but I don't think we will be far behind, since we have bilateral relations established with Colombia. But again, humanitarian flights and international flights are two very different things and just because one is operating between countries does not mean the other cannot between other countries until humanitarian flights end. That is silly.[/QUOTE].

The new 5 minute $5 Abbott test 97% accuracy will come with an app that actually will display results. There are others coming as well. Should be widely available in two months. You can buy a bunch and test chicas too.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2478779]Two questions: 1. What is the source of your statement that "proof of a covid negative test will be required"? 2. What is the definition of proof?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2478780]I am in the united states. And if there is humanitarian flights to the United States, it means theres no other airlines flying into the country at those times. I can give 2 shit about other countries. I do not live there. But I respect your technical assessment. I think slapshortie excuse I mean slapshot probably agrees.

.[/QUOTE]Wackman, you're turning into Trump, with these well-thought-out schoolyard nicknames! I love it!

The other countries part is a grey area, but like SJobs said, it would be a big gaping wet loophole for a guy like him that is willing to do whatever it takes to get back to paradise.

Really though, are we to assume that just because the US is offering humanitarian flights, that the Colombian government will have to wait until after the ultimate-scheduled flight to announce there will be international commercial flights? That sounds like an infinite amount of time, because the US has the responsibility to continue to offer those flights until normal commercial / tourism flights are available. Chicken or the egg. I would take the over on. 5 humanitarian flights being cancelled in conjunction with an announcement about commercial travel opening. Stay tuned, this is riveting stuff!

Has anyone been to centro this week? Any changes in the crowd / vibe as all this news has been coming out?

You just made my point duh. As long as humanitarian flights are running means comercials are not. When commercial starts there will be no need for humanitarian flights.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2478817]Wackman, you're turning into Trump, with these well-thought-out schoolyard nicknames! I love it!

The other countries part is a grey area, but like SJobs said, it would be a big gaping wet loophole for a guy like him that is willing to do whatever it takes to get back to paradise.

Really though, are we to assume that just because the US is offering humanitarian flights, that the Colombian government will have to wait until after the ultimate-scheduled flight to announce there will be international commercial flights? That sounds like an infinite amount of time, because the US has the responsibility to continue to offer those flights until normal commercial / tourism flights are available. Chicken or the egg. I would take the over on. 5 humanitarian flights being cancelled in conjunction with an announcement about commercial travel opening. Stay tuned, this is riveting stuff!

Has anyone been to centro this week? Any changes in the crowd / vibe as all this news has been coming out?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=SJobs;2478761]Thank you for this encouraging and well reasoned post! Here is the link to support the facts you have mentioned [URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/economia/sectores/coronavirus-en-colombia-minsalud-autoriza-vuelos-internacionales-533854[/URL].

For people like me, who are dying to get back to Medellin, a 14 day mandatory quarantine and needing to go through a secondary Latin America country that is in the first wave of allow countries is not a problem.[/QUOTE]I don't know about anyone else but can I say reading your posts only makes a bad situation worse for me, the endless pining, your thirst is quite depressing, at least to me, yes many of us want to get there ASAP.

But I don't write about it on here, over and over and over and over.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2478817]Wackman, you're turning into Trump, with these well-thought-out schoolyard nicknames! I love it!

The other countries part is a grey area, but like SJobs said, it would be a big gaping wet loophole for a guy like him that is willing to do whatever it takes to get back to paradise.

Really though, are we to assume that just because the US is offering humanitarian flights, that the Colombian government will have to wait until after the ultimate-scheduled flight to announce there will be international commercial flights? That sounds like an infinite amount of time, because the US has the responsibility to continue to offer those flights until normal commercial / tourism flights are available. Chicken or the egg. I would take the over on. 5 humanitarian flights being cancelled in conjunction with an announcement about commercial travel opening. Stay tuned, this is riveting stuff!

Has anyone been to centro this week? Any changes in the crowd / vibe as all this news has been coming out?[/QUOTE]Everything is still blocked off except the walk way! Pollo negro is out!

That did not answer either of my questions but thank you for responding anyway.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2478806]The new 5 minute $5 Abbott test 97% accuracy will come with an app that actually will display results. There are others coming as well. Should be widely available in two months. You can buy a bunch and test chicas too.[/QUOTE]

I don't know how reputable this source is but I've just read this:

[URL]https://www.infobae.com/america/colombia/2020/08/27/colombia-lanzo-un-plan-para-reactivar-con-fuerza-el-turismo-en-todo-el-pais-desde-la-semana-proxima/?fbclid=IwAR3iStalkrcH0uVvAXMdvvM9EzpCThVwN3pkstZ-m43H4tYvXJoLzUqF5LI[/URL]

As always use the info as you will.

For me, I am holding off, I'm hoping for Nov-Dec but I'm willing to wait, I've got a few I've lasso'd that keep me entertained on Whatsapp.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2478779]Two questions: 1. What is the source of your statement that "proof of a covid negative test will be required"? 2. What is the definition of proof?[/QUOTE]1. Articles out there now which state this. This is what the Transport Minister has stated. "Lo que sí tenemos claro es que se eliminaría la restriccióand al ingreso a partir del 1 de septiembre, que probablemente se exigiría prueba de covid".

2. Proof. Likely a negative PCR test within 48-72 hours of departure. 5 minute rapid tests from Abbott will be out in September, and the government just acquired 150 million of them. I'm also guessing that based off the statement from the transport minister that testing may be done on arrival, what kind of testing and how fast that would be, I do not know. It's reasonable to assume it follows the model of how other countries are doing this and more are leaning on the side of rapid testing or requiring a negative before departure to avoid doing the 14-day quarantine. I mean, that's just a trip killer anyways. We shall see what the days to come reveal.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2478871]I don't know how reputable this source is but I've just read this:

[URL]https://www.infobae.com/america/colombia/2020/08/27/colombia-lanzo-un-plan-para-reactivar-con-fuerza-el-turismo-en-todo-el-pais-desde-la-semana-proxima/?fbclid=IwAR3iStalkrcH0uVvAXMdvvM9EzpCThVwN3pkstZ-m43H4tYvXJoLzUqF5LI[/URL]

For me, I am holding off, I'm hoping for Nov-Dec but I'm willing to wait, I've got a few I've lasso'd that keep me entertained on Whatsapp.[/QUOTE]Luminus,

One of my chicas sent me a similar link. It looks like Colombia is getting ready to open up. Now they have to get things set up with the airlines and the like, but it looks like it is going to happen pretty soon. If the Colombian Department of Health is on board, unless things change drastically, my bet is that we will see a few flights open up this month, and I am shocked that this is happening.

Hello,

It has been about 6 months in which we have all had to pause our life, as we knew it, to adapt to a new reality that has made us more supportive, empathetic and resilient. But it is time to return to fly high and resume those plans to explore the world!

Therefore, today we are very happy to be able to tell you that, as of September 3, 2020, Wingo takes off again to fly, initially, through the skies of Colombia and, we hope very soon, by those of the entire region with our unique combination of always safe flights, low prices, flexibility and good vibes. So pack your suitcase again and get ready to take care of yourself, but without stopping living.

During those months ashore, we have not rested for a single moment and we have prepared for this great day that we were looking forward to with great anxiety:

1. We design robust biosecurity and cleaning protocols to guarantee your safety and that of your family.

2. As a guarantee of our commitment to you, ICONTEC granted us its CheckIn Certified quality seal and the Certification in Biosafety Operations, after an exhaustive evaluation of our processes.

3. We renew all the circulation systems and high-efficiency air filters of our aircraft so that you breathe air up to 99.9% free of viruses and bacteria during all our flights.

4. We designed a unique line of uniforms for our crews that includes textiles with repellency technology that prevents fluid transfer, further raising the level of protection for everyone on our aircraft.

5. We created a new boarding model that will allow us to avoid crowds when you fly with us.

6. We became even more flexible and therefore decided to always include a free date change when you buy a ticket at Wingo.

7. We have all trained ourselves to take care of you and take care of ourselves because #We only think about flying.

And for that reason, we now count the days to meet again from September 3. Initially we will operate flights between Bogotá and Cartagena, but we are confident that together we will continue to overcome the pandemic so that the authorities of the region reopen their borders and we can fly together again to the best destinations in Latin America and the Caribbean.

Wingo will continue to be there for you because the violet tone that characterizes our good vibes takes the skies again.

See you on board very soon.

Assuming that travel to Colombia from USA is possible in the next few months. I think it might be wise to buy health insurance coverage in Colombia for the trip, instead of trying to depend on coverage from outside Colombia and trying to deal with coverage / acceptance etc.

Can anyone post the health insurance information available in Colombia for visitors. I think a compilation of insurance information and options would be a great resource for making travel plans.

Found this picture on my phone from one of my previous trips, and exploring the Centro area.

I believe it is from around December 2019. It feels like a lifetime ago.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2478851]I don't know about anyone else but can I say reading your posts only makes a bad situation worse for me, the endless pining, your thirst is quite depressing, at least to me, yes many of us want to get there ASAP.

But I don't write about it on here, over and over and over and over.[/QUOTE]It's amazing how you could be depressed among all these encouraging news. The door of heaven is about to open, cheer up! By the way, I did share a credible link in my post, it's not all pointless pining. Anyways, I haven't been this happy for a long time, since this fucking lock down started. I got my tickets ready and my 18 year-olds lined up. Instead of being depressed, why don't you try to do the same.

We can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[URL]https://colombia.as.com/colombia/2020/08/27/actualidad/1598555877_274030.html[/URL]

This is good news is the Colombian Airline industry is ramping up, getting ready for business. Unfortunately, don't expect international flights till November. Here is the article: [URL]https://www.pulzo.com/nacion/avianca-abre-12-destinos-desde-dorado-primero-septiembre-PP959633[/URL].

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2478929]This is good news is the Colombian Airline industry is ramping up, getting ready for business. Unfortunately, don't expect international flights till November. Here is the article: [URL]https://www.pulzo.com/nacion/avianca-abre-12-destinos-desde-dorado-primero-septiembre-PP959633[/URL].[/QUOTE]Unless I missed it, didn't see anything about November for international flights in the article.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2478929]This is good news is the Colombian Airline industry is ramping up, getting ready for business. Unfortunately, don't expect international flights till November. Here is the article: [URL]https://www.pulzo.com/nacion/avianca-abre-12-destinos-desde-dorado-primero-septiembre-PP959633[/URL].[/QUOTE]You can forget about Bogota for the September opening. But it is almost certain Medellin or other cities will open in September. I'm in the talks with rental agency and other professional groups who depend on gringo business, at the moment, the general consensus is that there will be flights to Medellin or other cities in Colombia from the US in September, we just don't know when. I have already reserved and paid for my favorite penthouse for 6 months stay, starting 9/8th. I don't care if I get there on 9/29th. Some of the amazing places that I always want to rent but are never available are wide open right now, it's a buyers market. Don't wait.

[URL]https://caracol.com.co/emisora/2020/08/27/medellin/1598557846_853593.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/economia/sectores/coronavirus-en-colombia-los-cinco-paises-con-los-que-volverian-vuelos-internacionales-533936[/URL]

Thank you, this answers my questions indirectly. 1. Second hand reports about government declarations. I read the government declarations themselves. The health and transport ministries have in fact cleared the way for international flights to resume as of September 1. 2. You don't know what the government's definition of proof would be and the government has not yet declared test results would be a condition of entry.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2478878]1. Articles out there now which state this. This is what the Transport Minister has stated. "Lo que s tenemos claro es que se eliminara la restricciand al ingreso a partir del 1 de septiembre, que probablemente se exigira prueba de covid".

2. Proof. Likely a negative PCR test within 48-72 hours of departure. 5 minute rapid tests from Abbott will be out in September, and the government just acquired 150 million of them. I'm also guessing that based off the statement from the transport minister that testing may be done on arrival, what kind of testing and how fast that would be, I do not know. It's reasonable to assume it follows the model of how other countries are doing this and more are leaning on the side of rapid testing or requiring a negative before departure to avoid doing the 14-day quarantine. I mean, that's just a trip killer anyways. We shall see what the days to come reveal.[/QUOTE]

It was on the last paragraph of the article, the negotiations between countries and those that are open to travel now including Brazil and Mexico. I guess they deleted it.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2478935]Unless I missed it, didn't see anything about November for international flights in the article.[/QUOTE]

27 August 2020.

Colombia begins recovery.

Share share.

27 August 2020.

Colombian President Iváand Duque Márquez has announced 15 airports will reopen in September, including Bogota. This is an important step for the necessary restart of aviation in the country.

"Air transport is an essential public service that people need for different reasons, such as work, health, family or leisure purposes," said Peter Cerdá, IATA's Regional Vice President for the Americas. "Aviation's restart is good news which will allow for the resumption of mobility and integration of the country. With this decision, the sector and its extensive value chain, which includes tourism and commerce in Colombia, can begin to rebuild. While this is the first step towards a total reopening, we call on the government to continue the open channels of communication with the industry that will allow us to commence the process for also reactivating international flights. ".

Cerdá thanked the Colombian President and his Minister of Transport, Angela María Orozco, the Minister of Health, Fernando Ruiz, the Director of Aerocivil, Juan Carlos Salazar and the respective mayors for their openness and willingness to collaborate with the industry.

"During the meeting with the authorities, we conveyed our wish to continue working together to increase the available capacity and facilitate the exchange of global best practices to ensure the safety of passengers and employees," he added.

With the biosafety protocols approved by Colombian authorities and implemented by the industry, aviation will not become a vector for spreading the virus. The industry has demonstrated that all safeguards exist to restart the industry. Proof of this are the more than 70,000 passengers who have traveled in the last five months on humanitarian flights and the first test route between Bucaramanga and seeúcuta, which has transported more than 1,000 passengers. No known COVID-19 transmissions have been reported from these flights.

"Air transport is an essential public service that people need for different reasons, such as work, health, family or leisure purposes," said Peter Cerdá, IATA's Regional Vice President for the Americas. "Aviation's restart is good news which will allow for the resumption of mobility and integration of the country. With this decision, the sector and its extensive value chain, which includes tourism and commerce in Colombia, can begin to rebuild. While this is the first step towards a total reopening, we call on the government to continue the open channels of communication with the industry that will allow us to commence the process for also reactivating international flights. ".

Cerdá thanked the Colombian President and his Minister of Transport, Angela María Orozco, the Minister of Health, Fernando Ruiz, the Director of Aerocivil, Juan Carlos Salazar and the respective mayors for their openness and willingness to collaborate with the industry.

"During the meeting with the authorities, we conveyed our wish to continue working together to increase the available capacity and facilitate the exchange of global best practices to ensure the safety of passengers and employees," he added.

With the biosafety protocols approved by Colombian authorities and implemented by the industry, aviation will not become a vector for spreading the virus. The industry has demonstrated that all safeguards exist to restart the industry. Proof of this are the more than 70,000 passengers who have traveled in the last five months on humanitarian flights and the first test route between Bucaramanga and seeúcuta, which has transported more than 1,000 passengers. No known COVID-19 transmissions have been reported from these flights.

Before the crisis, aviation generated some US $ 7. 5 billion to the Colombian economy, equivalent to 2. 7% of the country's GDP, and supports some 600,000 direct and indirect jobs.

"There are still several issues that need to be resolved," concluded Cerdá. "However, aviation will once again take off in Colombia. This will allow our industry to become one of the pillars of the economic recovery of the country after the pandemic. ".

Before the crisis, aviation generated some US $ 7. 5 billion to the Colombian economy, equivalent to 2. 7% of the country's GDP, and supports some 600,000 direct and indirect jobs.

"There are still several issues that need to be resolved," concluded Cerdá. "However, aviation will once again take off in Colombia. This will allow our industry to become one of the pillars of the economic recovery of the country after the pandemic. ".

Blakman, enough of the cut and paste please. We can read the news on a news site if that's what we want.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479015]27 August 2020.

Colombia begins recovery.

Share share..[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting this translated version of the news from yesterday. A few of us already posted similar ones. Now duque has officially given the go ahead, it's upto the majors to open the airports. It is an absolute fact that the major of Medellin as well as Rionegro are dying to open their airport to the US. I have posted links where they publicly expressed their desire, in almost the same degree that I expressed my desire for 18-year-old pussy. I wouldn't count on Bogota though, they have a more strict mayor. The earliest flight I can find is on 9/4 going through Bogota, but I don't have much confidence in that flight, I betting on the one on 9/10th flight going through Florida directly to Medellin.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2478842]You just made my point duh. As long as humanitarian flights are running means comercials are not. When commercial starts there will be no need for humanitarian flights.

.[/QUOTE]If this is the indicator, then what is all the speculation and arguing about?! Just tell us when the last scheduled humanitarian flight is, and everyone can book tickets to MDE for the following day.

Again, the US is responsible for scheduling humanitarian flights. That has little to no effect on the Colombian Travel Ministry's decision to open commercial / tourism travel Thus, it is extremely likely that there will be a scheduling overlap, which will lead to humanitarian flights that are currently scheduled being removed / cancelled, as normal travel opens. I don't understand the thought process behind thinking the United States' humanitarian flight schedule supersedes all other flight schedules or plans. Your scenario insinuates that the Colombian government is sitting at the roundtable, looking only at the US humanitarian flight schedule, and saying, "Oh shit, we can't open on Sep 1 because there is a Spirit humanitarian flight from BOG-FLL on Sep 3! Ok, how about Sep 7? Nope! MDE-FLL on Sep 9. (Calls the White House) When should we open international flights to and from the US? 'Instead of us canceling any flights, like we have been doing for 6 months, why don't you wait until after our next 6 humanitarian flights to open normal travel, because that makes a ton of sense? Spain calls, "When will you open international flights?" Colombia, "We're waiting until after all of the US' scheduled humanitarian flights. ".

Spirit Airlines is not going to stay awake at night because you paid $300 for a humanitarian flight that is now cancelled and they are offering as a credit towards a $500 commercial flight.

I typically avoid this type of banter in this setting, but this is just too easy to get sucked into. I will withhold any future comments until a simple, "I told you so!" Remember, my entire point is that more than. 5 humanitarian flights will be cancelled, when all is said and done. Nothing more, nothing less.

The manager of my apartment said she'd send a contract for the next month, a few days ago. I haven't received anything. I'm guessing with the rumblings, this week, that she and the company brass are getting hot an bothered about the prospects of planeloads of gringos coming down hoping to pay exorbitant amounts on Medellin penthouses, in the near future. Despite them having 8-10 other comps available, she will be licking her chops to put the full-court press on me. I'm thinking about extending longer than a month, if I can lock-in my current rate.

Knowledge, any scoop on the casas' re-opening schedule / plan? I was walking on La 70, yesterday, and realized I have no clue where the local spots are that Blakman and others have reported on. I was about to pull up the WorldTraveler69 map, but Pinky was waiting at home and I was hungry.

For those of us who have been around for some time we have made statements about how a city or place or country and it's chicas / P4P scene was like "before things changed for the worse".

As for myself I have made posts such as these reminiscing about places I had been to in years long gone bye:

"Oh what fun I had at the clubs in Moscow back in the mid 1990's where I partied like a rock-star".

"You should have seen the party atmosphere at HELP in Rio in the late 90's and early 2000's before it closed down".

"Cuba / Havana is now about hard-core putas, you should have seen it back in the day".

"Ah Tijuana (Tijuana, Baja California) has changed so much since the good old days in the 90's, now it is all so commercialized business like".

Well as time never stops and as the world is still coping with the Corona Virus, in 10 or 20 years we will be writing and reminiscing about the year 2020 and the places were we happened to be stuck in and how we made lemons into lemonade during the pandemic.

For myself it will probably sound something like this:

(Me) "Oh let me tell you what Medellin was like in the year 2020 during the lock-down and crisis, first of all I took in two 18 year old non-pro Venezuelan girls into my apartment during the quarantine which lasted almost 6 months, I provided housing and a safe place to sleep with TV / Netflix / Music / Food, they both were at my beckoning call at anytime I desired, at times I would have one or the other sleep with me or sleep with one and make an early morning visit to the others bed for sex. Not a pesos was exchanged. I also had a handful of chicas over to my apartment during this time, some were repeats of my ATF paisas and other were new chicas. No drama as the chicas all realizing that they were in a survival mode as there was severe economic problems and no tourists nor any of them had any other opportunity for survival.

A few times each week, during those 6 months, I would venture into centro and find me a cute 18 to 22 yo all natural non-pro whom I could have for 25 to 70 mil and they were happy and full of gratitude to earn this money. To mix things up a bit I would from time to time venture in to the calf area around midnight, this is over in San Diego, and cruise in my car and find a real cutie for either a blow job or sex in my car in the mountains above Medellin and usually would pay 30 to 60 mil all depending. Then I had about a dozen of really good girls 18 to 23 yo that I had known for 2 or 3 years prior, trying to fit them into the mix and get with them.

Other times I would peruse through Tinder where I got over 200 connections and see what I could find, then other times I would be contacted by a chicas friend of a friend who needed help so headed into a motel and enjoyed a few hours of great sex with a 19 year old all natural cutie who could be a teen model for Ambercrombie and Fitch clothing, I kid you not and they would be happy with 80 mil and was treated like a king.

There was also the FaceBook chicas at the time along with independent apartment chicas, then friends of friends I would meet at clandestine finca parties in the mountains. So many opportunities for so little money and the service was off the charts. My body could never keep up with the dozens of chicas texting me almost every day wanting to get together. It was everywhere at every turn. Heck I had to shut down my cell phone as it would be lighting up like a Christmas tree in December non-stop, I needed a break from it all.

Oh now those were the day! Too bad those times are long gone in Medellin, you should have seen it back in the day"!

That is how my story of events will read back in the day of 2020.

So the question is, what will your story sound like?

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2479036]I will withhold any future comments until a simple, "I told you so!"[/QUOTE]I will be certain Colombia is open only when SJobs has landed.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2478773]
I would also trust the Covid medial treatments in Australia and New Zealand over any medical facility in the US.[/QUOTE]It may sound strange, but the reason I will trust US doctors more is because they have more experience treating Covid patients. They have made many discoveries about Covid. That I think it shows the strength of US doctors and researchers. I have been with my current doctor for more than half of my life and there is no reason that I should trust other doctors more.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2478929]This is good news is the Colombian Airline industry is ramping up, getting ready for business. Unfortunately, don't expect international flights till November. Here is the article: [URL]https://www.pulzo.com/nacion/avianca-abre-12-destinos-desde-dorado-primero-septiembre-PP959633[/URL].[/QUOTE]From the USA Embassy, Bogata (sent today via email):

"President Duque announced the extension of the national health emergency until November 30 and the transition from compulsory isolation to selective isolation. Some national restrictions remain:8239;The national government maintains a number of restrictions on activities and requirements to secure public health, including but not limited to: International borders remain closed, and international commercial flights suspended".

[QUOTE=Lou32;2479058]From the USA Embassy, Bogata (sent today via email):

"President Duque announced the extension of the national health emergency until November 30 and the transition from compulsory isolation to selective isolation. Some national restrictions remain:8239;The national government maintains a number of restrictions on activities and requirements to secure public health, including but not limited to: International borders remain closed, and international commercial flights suspended".[/QUOTE]Lou,

That is technically correct, but there are two things. International travel is closed until the airlines pass the safety protocols. No one has passed yet, but the signs are it is going to happen this month. There are things that have to be worked out but one of my chicas has told me about the route most likely to be open first, and I am guessing it will be by the end of the month.

As for American embassies and the state department in general, they are always trying to keep Americans out of potentially unsafe situations as they are responsible for having to help Americans out who get into trouble abroad. Not so much in Colombia but in Peru, the government just closed off all flights and left Americans stranded there. At least, Colombia gave some notice. I am sure the embassy in Peru was working over time to secure flights back to the USA, and I think they finally did get some, but it sounds like it was a massive headache.

If I were in the American embassy, I would be telling people not to come too because of the travel ban trigger fingers many South American nations have had. I wouldn't want to deal with Americans screaming, "Help, get me home!

[QUOTE=Lou32;2479058]From the USA Embassy, Bogata (sent today via email):

"President Duque announced the extension of the national health emergency until November 30 and the transition from compulsory isolation to selective isolation. Some national restrictions remain:8239;The national government maintains a number of restrictions on activities and requirements to secure public health, including but not limited to: International borders remain closed, and international commercial flights suspended".[/QUOTE]Man, I don't know who to trust anymore. According to this article today, [URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/colombia/protocolo-de-vuelos-internacionales-en-colombia-con-paises-prosur-EF13525427[/URL] , (From one of the most credible news paper in Colombia), the president has decided to let some of the South America countries in, in September. As a US citizen, we can still legally go to Ecuador, after completing a 14 day quarantine, we should be able to get back into Medellin. This is a viable path for some of us.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2479069]Lou,

That is technically correct, but there are two things. International travel is closed until the airlines pass the safety protocols. No one has passed yet, but the signs are it is going to happen this month. There are things that have to be worked out but one of my chicas has told me about the route most likely to be open first, and I am guessing it will be by the end of the month.

As for American embassies and the state department in general, they are always trying to keep Americans out of potentially unsafe situations as they are responsible for having to help Americans out who get into trouble abroad. Not so much in Colombia but in Peru, the government just closed off all flights and left Americans stranded there. At least, Colombia gave some notice. I am sure the embassy in Peru was working over time to secure flights back to the USA, and I think they finally did get some, but it sounds like it was a massive headache.

If I were in the American embassy, I would be telling people not to come too because of the travel ban trigger fingers many South American nations have had. I wouldn't want to deal with Americans screaming, "Help, get me home![/QUOTE]These new 5 minute Abbott Labs low cost tests are going to change everything. They will start to be available next month

[QUOTE=Kafka;2479097]These new 5 minute Abbott Labs low cost tests are going to change everything. They will start to be available next month[/QUOTE]How many per month? And in what countries?

This is the problem of tests.

Looks like the strip clubs should be opening soon. Hopefully in a week or 2, we'll have some reports. The energy in the streets is very good right now.

Within 10 days there will be a decision on how and when to resume regular international flights for other destinations in South America.

From what I read, the Abbot tests are not going to be available to the public. They're going to medical offices and hospitals.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2479133]How many per month? And in what countries?

This is the problem of tests.[/QUOTE]

Some one asked about centro and what it is like, well this afternoon I got a video call from my good buddy who was in centro all day and the quantity and quality was off the charts today.

He showed me a few cuties and if I did not have other plans was very tempted to head down there but possibly tomorrow.

Looks Like the chicas are ready to rumble!

The Tall Man.

That's quite enough of this red herring. Let's move on. The guessing games are fun but it's best we make our plans based on what the government publishes. I am referring to the Colombian government, not the USA State Department. Very quickly, September 1 is the date on which international flights are approved to begin. As yet undetermined conditions (on board seating arrangements and cleaning routines) remain to be approved and published.

Meanwhile, there is a curfew this weekend in Medellin. It is intended to rein in house parties. No curfews or rotating cedula days are planned after August 31 but of course everything is situational.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2479157]From what I read, the Abbot tests are not going to be available to the public. They're going to medical offices and hospitals.[/QUOTE]

This is the same e-mail distribution that scared the bejesus out of Americans in Colombia with language like "leave now or risk indefinite time abroad" and "we can't guarantee there will be more humanitarian flights". Meanwhile, the flights have been averaging 1 to 2 per week. The e-mails are written in English. I guess there is some value in that.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2479058]From the USA Embassy, Bogata (sent today via email):

"President Duque announced the extension of the national health emergency until November 30 and the transition from compulsory isolation to selective isolation. Some national restrictions remain:8239;The national government maintains a number of restrictions on activities and requirements to secure public health, including but not limited to: International borders remain closed, and international commercial flights suspended".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2478631]

I said it before (Barranquilla thread) and I will say it again. I just looked up bus tickets between cities in late September on the 2 sites below. No trips unless you meet very certain criteria. Read about my trip from BAQ to MED. You guys wishing upon a star really think the country will open international flights before or even at the same time that they open the busing between cities? Best be watching the bus sites before flight sites.

[URL]https://www.copetran.com[/URL]

[URL]https://www.expresobrasilia.com/[/URL]

[/QUOTE]Why do you all believe international flights will occur before the buses are allowed to run between cities in Colombia?

[QUOTE=SJobs;2479096]Man, I don't know who to trust anymore. According to this article today, [URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/colombia/protocolo-de-vuelos-internacionales-en-colombia-con-paises-prosur-EF13525427[/URL] , (From one of the most credible news paper in Colombia), the president has decided to let some of the South America countries in, in September. As a US citizen, we can still legally go to Ecuador, after completing a 14 day quarantine, we should be able to get back into Medellin. This is a viable path for some of us.[/QUOTE]Dunno but it seems to me like you should consider buying an apartment, apply for a permanent residence and set up shop in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2479045]It may sound strange, but the reason I will trust US doctors more is because they have more experience treating Covid patients. They have made many discoveries about Covid. That I think it shows the strength of US doctors and researchers. I have been with my current doctor for more than half of my life and there is no reason that I should trust other doctors more.[/QUOTE]No point arguing with some. They have developed their deep seated biases and cannot be objective. Just let each person take his decision. Remember there are still idiots that refuse to get out of a cat 4/5 hurricanes way.

I've seen many cockblocking losers in my travels around the world whilst mongering, but this Chinese virus is most definitely the mother of them all, how apropos it was.

MADE IN China.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2479149]Looks like the strip clubs should be opening soon. Hopefully in a week or 2, we'll have some reports. The energy in the streets is very good right now.[/QUOTE]In Paris, with numbers raising exponentially back to very alarming levels as in March, the President Macron hinting that a lockdown may be possible seeing the situation, mandatory masks for everyone walking in streets, I note that swingers clubs are open! I even read comments like "we were welcomed with all safety measures, masks on for everyone, temperature testing, etc".

Good luck to those who want to enjoy "energy" in clubs, but I hope they will stay isolated from closest friends and relatives.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2479185]No point arguing with some. They have developed their deep seated biases and cannot be objective. Just let each person take his decision. Remember there are still idiots that refuse to get out of a cat 4/5 hurricanes way.[/QUOTE]See above.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2479157]From what I read, the Abbot tests are not going to be available to the public. They're going to medical offices and hospitals.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Even that, they cannot be enough to check all those who were used to travel from one country to another. Numbers matter.

How many people was used to fly out of USA in one day? Is it possible to think to test with these rapid tests all of them on departure, then trace them and test them again after say 3 days in the country of arrival? (hopefully, they should refrain to go to strip and swinger clubs during those 3 days of prudence).

What is the source of your information? Nothing personal, I am wary because I sometimes see attributions here like "a friend told me he heard" or "one of my chicas said". No attribution at all for me means no information.

[QUOTE=Questner;2479155]Within 10 days there will be a decision on how and when to resume regular international flights for other destinations in South America.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2479184]Dunno but it seems to me like you should consider buying an apartment, apply for a permanent residence and set up shop in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Already in the works. But at the moment, the most important thing for me is to get in.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2479168]This is the same e-mail distribution that scared the bejesus out of Americans in Colombia with language like "leave now or risk indefinite time abroad" and "we can't guarantee there will be more humanitarian flights". Meanwhile, the flights have been averaging 1 to 2 per week. The e-mails are written in English. I guess there is some value in that.[/QUOTE]I don't know if the Department of State is in the business of hyping up fear or not but the particular news they distributed doesn't seem to be anything more than repeating what Duque announced. I didn't sense any opinionated viewpoint from State on this one.

Much love and respect to all but please is this a corona virus chat board or a where to find P4P pussy!

Come-on man! Hehehehe.

Really you all need to keep your opinions and travel ideas in the appropriate section such as the the Corona Virus or General Report. A bunch of pussies thinking they are doctors or professional statisticians and can interpret vast amounts of data. Get real and get back on topic which is the fine pussy here in Medellin.

Lets get back to pussy talk, got to love the hoe's and show some respect to them.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2479300]Much love and respect to all but please is this a corona virus chat board or a where to find P4P pussy!

Come-on man! Hehehehe.

Really you all need to keep your opinions and travel ideas in the appropriate section such as the the Corona Virus or General Report. A bunch of pussies thinking they are doctors or professional statisticians and can interpret vast amounts of data. Get real and get back on topic which is the fine pussy here in Medellin.

Lets get back to pussy talk, got to love the hoe's and show some respect to them.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Thank you and thank you! LMAO!!

I am not a centro explorer but it is widely apparent that where there is crowds withing close proximity that the scenario becomes a potential super spreader. But I will say colombians wear there mask unlike americans here in the states who think there are privilidged, immune to the virus, and its their constitution right to do whatever they choose even if it potentially can cause it to spread to others. The concern for one visiting is real.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2479300]Much love and respect to all but please is this a corona virus chat board or a where to find P4P pussy!

Come-on man! Hehehehe.

Really you all need to keep your opinions and travel ideas in the appropriate section such as the the Corona Virus or General Report. A bunch of pussies thinking they are doctors or professional statisticians and can interpret vast amounts of data. Get real and get back on topic which is the fine pussy here in Medellin.

Lets get back to pussy talk, got to love the hoe's and show some respect to them.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE].

Predictably, I was notified today that the owner of my rental apartment has decided to rent it out to his friends on Sep 10. The manager, an early 20's girl that is difficult to deal with, to say the least, said since she knows I won't pay the normal rate, and I'm paying such a low amount, that the owner made his decision. I'm assuming this is all based on a hope for an international flight, but who knows. They have several penthouses available, but I'm kind of sick of dealing with this chick, and their general pompous approach to doing business. I'm hoping to find an independent or different company. I don't like the gringo-exploitation business model. I would have bet a lot of money that within a week of some whisperings of international flights, that I'd get the boot. She was supposed to send me a contract days ago, then said I never confirmed. Her last audio message was that she will send a contract for specific dates. Go figure.

I'm trying to work a trio with Pinky and a newbie, tonight. The newbie has a friend she wants to bring, because she lives far away. She said the girl doesn't need any money, etc. , she'll just accompany her. Haven't arrived at the big question, yet...

I got an email from SmartFit, today, sounds like they're opening Monday.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2479257]Already in the works. But at the moment, the most important thing for me is to get in.[/QUOTE]Looks like October, but if you are sufficiently determined maybe next month based on how things play out. This article kind of reviews the current thinking on the topoc.

[URL]https://thecitypaperbogota.com/business/colombia-authorizes-reactivation-of-international-flights/25901[/URL]

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2479347]Predictably, I was notified today that the owner of my rental apartment has decided to rent it out to his friends on Sep 10. The manager, an early 20's girl that is difficult to deal with, to say the least, said since she knows I won't pay the normal rate, and I'm paying such a low amount, that the owner made his decision. I'm assuming this is all based on a hope for an international flight, but who knows. They have several penthouses available, but I'm kind of sick of dealing with this chick, and their general pompous approach to doing business. I'm hoping to find an independent or different company. I don't like the gringo-exploitation business model. I would have bet a lot of money that within a week of some whisperings of international flights, that I'd get the boot. She was supposed to send me a contract days ago, then said I never confirmed. Her last audio message was that she will send a contract for specific dates. Go figure.

I'm trying to work a trio with Pinky and a newbie, tonight. The newbie has a friend she wants to bring, because she lives far away. She said the girl doesn't need any money, etc. , she'll just accompany her. Haven't arrived at the big question, yet...

I got an email from SmartFit, today, sounds like they're opening Monday.[/QUOTE]I recently signed a 6-month contract to rent one of my favorite penthouse in Poblado, starting 9/15. I might not be able to get there on 9/15, but the rental agency was pressuring me, they told me there are a large number of interest in renting penthouses in September, I think it's all BS, since I was able to get a slight discount.

Good luck with the trio, if you going to have three girls there, why not make a foursome.

I'm super happy that SmartFit is opening, do they require everyone to wear a mask while working out?

So both men, tall and blak make valid points. In the interest of saving a page of two of random links to second hand reports and dueling rationalizations, what I notice is guys who are not in Colombia seem to be aligned around the position that it's too risky and they wouldn't come if they could. Guys who are in Colombia are of the opposite point of view. It's all good but we don't need to beat a dead horse (there is another thread for that).

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479342]I am not a centro explorer but it is widely apparent that where there is crowds withing close proximity that the scenario becomes a potential super spreader. But I will say colombians wear there mask unlike americans here in the states who think there are privilidged, immune to the virus, and its their constitution right to do whatever they choose even if it potentially can cause it to spread to others. The concern for one visiting is real..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2479376]So both men, tall and blak make valid points. In the interest of saving a page of two of random links to second hand reports and dueling rationalizations, what I notice is guys who are not in Colombia seem to be aligned around the position that it's too risky and they wouldn't come if they could. Guys who are in Colombia are of the opposite point of view. It's all good but we don't need to beat a dead horse (there is another thread for that).[/QUOTE]Come again? There are people not in Colombia who are willing to take any risk necessary to go back to Colombia. I think most of the people who got locked out of Medellin because of the China virus are simply jealous of you, tall man, slap and pn. We all know you guys are in heaven and the rest of us are burning in hell. For the unfortunate people like me, the only reasonable thing to do at the moment is to find the quickest way to get back in heaven.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2479353]Looks like October, but if you are sufficiently determined maybe next month based on how things play out. This article kind of reviews the current thinking on the topoc.

[URL]https://thecitypaperbogota.com/business/colombia-authorizes-reactivation-of-international-flights/25901[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the link, I have been following the situation closely. The latest information is this [URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/colombia/protocolo-de-vuelos-internacionales-en-colombia-con-paises-prosur-EF13525427[/URL] published on the 28th of August.

It seems like Duque has officially given the go ahead for South America countries. In the next 10 days there will be flights going in to Colombia from Ecuador. We can still fly to Ecuador from the states. I'm more than sufficiently determined to go back to Medellin. I will buy my ticket to Ecuador as soon as Duque finalize the international travel procedure.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2479248]What is the source of your information? Nothing personal, I am wary because I sometimes see attributions here like "a friend told me he heard" or "one of my chicas said". No attribution at all for me means no information.[/QUOTE]Comes from official Colombian press, or cross references from other Latin American premier press that I follow; I don't post links in many cases because not everyone is a Spanish speaker. This one as I recall was posted in El Pais, and the full article described the meeting within PROSUR countries group.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479342]I am not a centro explorer but it is widely apparent that where there is crowds withing close proximity that the scenario becomes a potential super spreader. But I will say colombians wear there mask unlike americans here in the states who think there are privilidged, immune to the virus, and its their constitution right to do whatever they choose even if it potentially can cause it to spread to others. The concern for one visiting is real.

.[/QUOTE]The hypocrisy of guys that are boning multiple women (each of whom is likely boning multiple guys) worrying about mask-wearing is absurd.

Mongering is not a safe activity as far as Covid is concerned. I'm all for wearing masks, but the risk in not wearing a mask is minuscule compared to the risk in having sex with multiple prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2479376]S what I notice is guys who are not in Colombia seem to be aligned around the position that it's too risky and they wouldn't come if they could. [/QUOTE]Nah, SJobs, Elvis, and Blake are not in Colombia. The rest of us are waiting for SJobs to land to book our plan tickets.

[QUOTE=Combo;2479396]The hypocrisy of guys that are boning multiple women (each of whom is likely boning multiple guys) worrying about mask-wearing is absurd.

Mongering is not a safe activity as far as Covid is concerned. I'm all for wearing masks, but the risk in not wearing a mask is minuscule compared to the risk in having sex with multiple prostitutes.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. I have come to terms with the risk associated with mongering a long time ago. Worrying about getting covid while mongering is like a foot solider in the middle of the-day invasion worrying about getting hit by lightning.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2479402]Nah, SJobs, Elvis, and Blake are not in Colombia. The rest of us are waiting for SJobs to land to book our plan tickets.[/QUOTE]Hopefully you don't need to wait for long. A discouraging news, my September 10th and 14th tickets on spirit airline are both canceled, spirt canceled all September flights to Colombia (yes, I brought two tickets for two different dates to avoid price fluctuations). I brought the 12th flight to Medellin on AA already. Fingers crossed.

Panama will be open to international flights on October 12,2020. It doesn't mean that Colombia will follow with the same dates, but I suspect the countries are going to coordinate it. The source: [URL]https://www.telemetro.com/nacionales/2020/08/26/panama-reactivara-aviacion-internacional-partir/3167783.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Combo;2479396]The hypocrisy of guys that are boning multiple women (each of whom is likely boning multiple guys) worrying about mask-wearing is absurd.

Mongering is not a safe activity as far as Covid is concerned. I'm all for wearing masks, but the risk in not wearing a mask is minuscule compared to the risk in having sex with multiple prostitutes.[/QUOTE]The safest practice is anal doggy. Let us spread the word for a safer mongering.

I'm not sure what you mean by "official" or "premier" but Colombian press or any country's press are not sources. They are outlets that publish information from sources of varying reliability. For the PROSUR meeting you mentioned, a credible source would be an attendee or an authorized communique from a participating country. Absent any of that the information is little more than rumor and speculation.

Again, nothing personal but I hope guys will start to challenge the basis of some of the information that is splashed around this site. It's not unusual that when I probe for sources the responses tend to be much less authoritative and definitive than the original post.

[QUOTE=Questner;2479394]Comes from official Colombian press, or cross references from other Latin American premier press that I follow; I don't post links in many cases because not everyone is a Spanish speaker. This one as I recall was posted in El Pais, and the full article described the meeting within PROSUR countries group.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SJobs;2479361]I recently signed a 6-month contract to rent one of my favorite penthouse in Poblado, starting 9/15. I might not be able to get there on 9/15, but the rental agency was pressuring me, they told me there are a large number of interest in renting penthouses in September, I think it's all BS, since I was able to get a slight discount.[/QUOTE]You are very, very hopeful.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2479300]Much love and respect to all but please is this a corona virus chat board or a where to find P4P pussy!

Come-on man! Hehehehe.

Really you all need to keep your opinions and travel ideas in the appropriate section such as the the Corona Virus or General Report. A bunch of pussies thinking they are doctors or professional statisticians and can interpret vast amounts of data. Get real and get back on topic which is the fine pussy here in Medellin.

Lets get back to pussy talk, got to love the hoe's and show some respect to them.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2479318]Thank you and thank you! LMAO!![/QUOTE]I am proud to accept the nomination for the presidency of el centro Medellin, hehehehe! And I won't be hunkered down hidden in my finca (basement) beating my meat rather balls deep in pussy!

Love your humor.

On a side note last night my 18 yo live-in Vennie for almost 6 months ask if her friend to come stay for a week or two, so rickety split hoped into my car and drove over to Belen snatched this beauty up and brought her back to my man cave, had some drinks and music and dancing around and then "yada-yada-yada" (remember that Seinfeld episode, hehehe) they are both asleep this morning.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2479463]The safest practice is anal doggy. Let us spread the word for a safer mongering.[/QUOTE]What good is sessioning a hooker without DFK?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2479516]I am proud to accept the nomination for the presidency of el centro Medellin, hehehehe! And I won't be hunkered down hidden in my finca (basement) beating my meat rather balls deep in pussy!

Love your humor.

On a side note last night my 18 yo live-in Vennie for almost 6 months ask if her friend to come stay for a week or two, so rickety split hoped into my car and drove over to Belen snatched this beauty up and brought her back to my man cave, had some drinks and music and dancing around and then "yada-yada-yada" (remember that Seinfeld episode, hehehe) they are both asleep this morning.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I still have visions of my ill fated trip to Botero. Wrong idea, wrong time. But I'll be back maybe I can take a tour with you.

[QUOTE=Questner;2479421]Panama will be open to international flights on October 12,2020. It doesn't mean that Colombia will follow with the same dates, but I suspect the countries are going to coordinate it. The source: [URL]https://www.telemetro.com/nacionales/2020/08/26/panama-reactivara-aviacion-internacional-partir/3167783.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Nov-Dec aren't far away. Just bring a few quick saliva tests, assuming availability and screen the chicas. Lll.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2479361]I recently signed a 6-month contract to rent one of my favorite penthouse in Poblado, starting 9/15. I might not be able to get there on 9/15, but the rental agency was pressuring me, they told me there are a large number of interest in renting penthouses in September, I think it's all BS, since I was able to get a slight discount.

Good luck with the trio, if you going to have three girls there, why not make a foursome.

I'm super happy that SmartFit is opening, do they require everyone to wear a mask while working out?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SJobs;2479361]I recently signed a 6-month contract to rent one of my favorite penthouse in Poblado, starting 9/15. I might not be able to get there on 9/15, but the rental agency was pressuring me, they told me there are a large number of interest in renting penthouses in September, I think it's all BS, since I was able to get a slight discount.

Good luck with the trio, if you going to have three girls there, why not make a foursome.

I'm super happy that SmartFit is opening, do they require everyone to wear a mask while working out?[/QUOTE]I'd think that's bullshit, as well, but who knows. The rental rates have skyrocketed, this week. Some are still at quarantine prices, but I think that could change if you tried to reserve them. They have plenty of inventory, so the tired routine of so much interest is just a ploy to get your gringo dollars.

SmartFit's protocols list did include something about wearing a mask.

Pinky and I started out with a repeat around 9 p. Her and Pinky have a great connection. She ended up leaving around midnight or so. Then, I had my Nov / Dec girl come over. That was a BUST. She didn't bring a bikini, was abrasive with Pinky, then disappeared for like a half hour to, from what I see today, take a photo for her Instagram story. She eventually left, which was for the best. Then, Pinky's friend came over around 5-6 a. Only one round, with the first girl & Pinky. Pinky wanted me to finish on her tits, and I damn near missed the landing. Just had breakfast delivered from Bagatelle. Good hangover helper. Pancakes, bacon, sausage, eggs, and hash browns.

As far as the foursome idea, it was proposed to me as a tag-along that would not charge or be involved. I always have hope. However, this is the girl that lives far away and has sent a few videos. She randomly sent a video yesterday morning, which is how this started. It's insane, really. She said it's 100.000 each way for Uber. She wanted me to pay that, PLUS 500.000. Needless to say, that plan was aborted. The girls are cleaning the apartment, now. Going to be a lazy Sunday.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2479579]I'd think that's bullshit, as well, but who knows. The rental rates have skyrocketed, this week. Some are still at quarantine prices, but I think that could change if you tried to reserve them. They have plenty of inventory, so the tired routine of so much interest is just a ploy to get your gringo dollars.y.[/QUOTE]How are you identifying these properties you refer to, is it thru Casacol who is the largest player in town when it comes to Penthouses, or thru AIRBNB where you've noticed these price hikes you mentioned?

[QUOTE=Questner;2479421]Panama will be open to international flights on October 12,2020. It doesn't mean that Colombia will follow with the same dates, but I suspect the countries are going to coordinate it. The source: [URL]https://www.telemetro.com/nacionales/2020/08/26/panama-reactivara-aviacion-internacional-partir/3167783.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Interesting as AVIANCA is going to have 2 flights a day from LAX starting on Sept 19 to it's hub in San Salavador. And COPA with it's hub in Panama City will probably start flying there from LAX as well starting in October. All good news and hopefully Colombia when it starts allowing in International flights won't have a quarantine mandate.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2479471]I'm not sure what you mean by "official" or "premier" but Colombian press or any country's press are not sources. They are outlets that publish information from sources of varying reliability. For the PROSUR meeting you mentioned, a credible source would be an attendee or an authorized communique from a participating country. Absent any of that the information is little more than rumor and speculation.

Again, nothing personal but I hope guys will start to challenge the basis of some of the information that is splashed around this site. It's not unusual that when I probe for sources the responses tend to be much less authoritative and definitive than the original post.[/QUOTE]OK, I consider this site, blogs, expat websites, social media as non-offiicial as opposed to periodic Colombian newspapers, for example, it's all very simple as long as you see the picture as a local. The real sources are beyond the purpose of this forum and in any such case anyone who knows doesn't say, and anyone who says doesn't know.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2479548]Nov-Dec aren't far away. Just bring a few quick saliva tests, assuming availability and screen the chicas. Lll.[/QUOTE]No, I'm usually all over my head with girls, I'll leave tests to other germ fearing hobbyists. Every third trip I get sick with something, that's life. There is some likelihood I've been already exposed to this malady, just wait until the powers will come with a new one. I think November is too soon (Dom Rep may be OK for November), but Colombia is better from December, and it's only mine opinion.

[QUOTE=Questner;2479619]OK, I consider this site, blogs, expat websites, social media as non-offiicial as opposed to periodic Colombian newspapers, for example, it's all very simple as long as you see the picture as a local. The real sources are beyond the purpose of this forum and in any such case anyone who knows doesn't say, and anyone who says doesn't know.[/QUOTE]The most official source of information is the 7 pm daily TV briefing delivered by Duque himself. In the briefing today, he announced, in unequivocal terms, that international flights will resume in September, this should settle all debates about whether one can travel to Colombia or not in September. The remaining items are which one country can travel and what's the procedure (self quarantine, testing, insurance. Etc). If one is determined to go to Medellin at all cost, obviously my case, I firmly believe one can make it over in September.

WhatsApp Transcript.

{5:20 PM, 8/25/2020} Gina. Medellin: Hello.

{5:40 PM, 8/25/2020} Raul: Who is this please? Send photo.

{8:28 PM, 8/25/2020} Raul: You wrote to me the other day. I don't think we've met before, thank you.

{8:30 PM, 8/25/2020} Gina. Medellin: yes we met.

{8:39 PM, 8/25/2020} Raul: I have 20 girlfriends, do you want to be number 21?

<note the long time gap, not sure what that means, if anything. I assumed I drove her away which was my intention.

{9:55 AM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: Yes.

{1:57 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: I didn't expect that answer haha now you have my attention.

{1:58 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: There is Love is enough for everyone.

{2:01 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: I have a girlfriend who is number one, she will always be my number one, her name is Celeste.

{2:02 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: you have a child?

{2:03 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: Yes.

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{2:05 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: What is your son's name?

{2:05 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: Alan Daniel.

{2:06 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: Cute.

{2:08 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: What name should I give you on WhatsApp?

{2:09 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: Gina.

{2:09 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: Call me girlfriend #21.

{2:10 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: Gina, like the first book of the Bible.

{2:16 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: I am a good girl, yes the Bible.

{2:48 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: All my girls know their number and their place and they don't cause problems with any girl above them. Why do you think you could be happy in the last place?

{4:29 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: If it would be 21 that is fine as long as it is your girlfriend.

{4:36 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: Why is it so easy to get along with you?

{4:38 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: When you say there is enough love for everyone, are you sure you don't mean money?

{4:49 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: It's easy, just a compliment is all I expect, at some point I will ask you or you will only give me a compliment.

{4:51 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: Send me a picture of your pussy, maybe that will help me remember who you are hahaha.

{4:52 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: and a foto of your face, I deleted the other chat.

<bangin' foto of trim tight pussy.

{5:15 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: Now I remember you haha your pussy was sweet and tight and you follow directions well.

{5:16 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: Thank you sweetheart.

{5:16 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin:

{5:16 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: I remember you died for tushi.

{5:18 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: Does tushi mean your butt or pink cocaine?

{5:22 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: Pink cocaine.

{5:23 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: Yeah I guess you know me hahaha.

{5:24 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: I haven't used any for 4 months and I feel great.

{5:28 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: So my dick was probably soft on tussy when you met me earlier, I should warn you now that it gets big and hard, I hope you can take it including up your sweet ass.

{5:31 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: I will drink and swallow your milk, and I love it in the ass you can see it is rich.

{5:36 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: You are creating a desire in me. What beach were you on? Did you have shots to make your butt so big, round and sweet?

{5:40 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: I got injections 4 years ago.

{5:41 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: I was in Cartagena de Indias Colombia after I saw you in December I traveled to Cartagena, right now I'm back in Medellin.

{5:41 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: I see, that is why we drifted apart.

{5:51 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: Your butt looks great, I want to stick my tongue up your butt as far as possible.

{6:10 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: I'll let you stick your tongue and your cock in my ass.

{6:11 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: Do you live in Medellin now? You have work?

{6:11 PM, 8/26/2020} Gina. Medellin: I live in Medellin and my job starts on September 1 when the quarantine is lifted.

{6:12 PM, 8/26/2020} Raul: I will let you know when I am back in Medellin.

The Ministry of Health, however, stated on Tuesday, that "conditions no longer warrant the closure of international flights to and from the large capitals of the country. : And having given the green light for airlines to relaunch international routes, the Ministry claims that "it is unlikely" that inbound passengers will increase the risk of coronavirus transmission.

The first countries that have been approved for arrivals and departures are Chile, Panama, USA, Ecuador and Peru.

As soon as the border opens to flight from the USA, I'll be going. I already have reservations for September, October, November, and December / January. If something gets canceled, I'll just roll it forward.

However, when I go, at least for the next few months, it won't be like in the past for me. I will not be going to some of the barrios I used to visit (due to risk of crime). I will not be walking around at night (the apartment where I stay is near La 70). I will hang out a lot in the apartment, enjoying the jacuzzi and my company. And ordering most meals through Rappi.

Eventually things will get better and bars and discos will re-open, but I'm in no rush. My two objectives are to relax and to enjoy my "girlfriends. ".

Newbies or occasional travelers may just want to sit it out for a while.

I'm with you as well. I plan to be there as soon as it is allowed. I never visit the barrios and seldom venture to El Centro. If the bars and nightlife entertainment in Laureles is curtailed, well I certainly wouldn't mind as the noise level at night will be greatly reduced. If there is outdoor seating for food and drink great. If not, not a big issue when you have an apartment. Plenty amigas that would love to stay in the apartment anyway. Especially these times.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2479736]As soon as the border opens to flight from the USA, I'll be going. I already have reservations for September, October, November, and December / January. If something gets canceled, I'll just roll it forward.

However, when I go, at least for the next few months, it won't be like in the past for me. I will not be going to some of the barrios I used to visit (due to risk of crime). I will not be walking around at night (the apartment where I stay is near La 70). I will hang out a lot in the apartment, enjoying the jacuzzi and my company. And ordering most meals through Rappi.

Eventually things will get better and bars and discos will re-open, but I'm in no rush. My two objectives are to relax and to enjoy my "girlfriends. ".

Newbies or occasional travelers may just want to sit it out for a while.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2479746]This minister sounds like Baldrick from Black Adder. He has a cunning plan. In order to ensure the safety of our already heavily infected population we will be opening our borders to countries with endemic levels of COVID-19. It's a cunning plan indeed.[/QUOTE]He seems to say "We cannot be worse than this. Who cares if others come, get it, and take it away. The in / out virus flow budget will be probably unbalanced towards out, so who cares". The most astute will be the visitors.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479727]The Ministry of Health, however, stated on Tuesday, that "conditions no longer warrant the closure of international flights to and from the large capitals of the country. : And having given the green light for airlines to relaunch international routes, the Ministry claims that "it is unlikely" that inbound passengers will increase the risk of coronavirus transmission.

The first countries that have been approved for arrivals and departures are Chile, Panama, USA, Ecuador and Peru.[/QUOTE]The Border is completely opened, I have had 5 flights cancelled. My Rent isn't due unitl August of 2021, so I am here chilling in Medellin until International Flight is possible. I am aware that Spirit will cancel a flight at the last minute, this time they waited until August 29th to tell me that my Sept 3rd flight was cancelled. Oh Well, I am not sweating it, to all mongers, have faith, the flights will resume soon! Pollo Negro is out!!

My ticket is purchased for end of September, so deep down I am rooting for sjob to get in LOL. My daughter says I am impulsive so maybe it was impulsive reaction LOL. Slapsilly, what's the talk with lleras park?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2479759]Blakman,

Your update is almost a week old. Did you factor any of this in before you posted that you decided you would not come due to perceived risks?[/QUOTE].

Ah-ha, now it all makes sense. After being here as recently as June I couldn't grasp what you thought you would run into that you haven't already.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479808]My ticket is purchased for end of September, so deep down I am rooting for sjob to get in LOL. My daughter says I am impulsive so maybe it was impulsive reaction LOL. Slapsilly, what's the talk with lleras park?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2479611]How are you identifying these properties you refer to, is it thru Casacol who is the largest player in town when it comes to Penthouses, or thru AIRBNB where you've noticed these price hikes you mentioned?[/QUOTE]AirBnB & Casacol & LIV Realty, etc.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479808]My ticket is purchased for end of September, so deep down I am rooting for sjob to get in LOL. My daughter says I am impulsive so maybe it was impulsive reaction LOL. Slapsilly, what's the talk with lleras park?

.[/QUOTE]Just got a text from a Hooters girl. See you tomorrow! I don't think that will be happening, since I just had $600 worth of gum and bone removal + stitches, to start the process of getting some veneers within the next month (Approx. $2500 in total). It will be soon, though. I think them and Ay Wey will open. Not sure about Chica Boom or whatever the shit hole across from Hooters is, now. Gusto's, Patrick's, etc. Will be later. I would think Beer Store can open this week.

The friends of the owner are coming on Sep 10 from within Colombia, so I will need to find a new place. I just got a short list from Casacol, and nothing stood out. I have 5-6 places saved on AirBnB, that I might start looking further into, tomorrow. I also looked at fincas near Medellin, along with Pereira, Cali, Santa Marta, Baranquilla, San Andres, and some other places. Again, nothing jumped off the page.

Cheers to those that have been getting some promising bits of news, this week. Hoping you all will be cruising thru the tunnel, ready to freshen up, and pound something new or familiar, soon!

Things are supposed to open up more September 1. Either Saturday (not sure because did not go out that day) or Sunday night the police placed that "Caution do not Cross" yellow barrier tape on all the benches and chairs in front of the Premier Plaza Hotel where so many people are. Why now?

Like most, I anxiously await word on Medellin reopening. And I realize that I'm asking a question that cannot be definitively answered. My next trip to Colombia, hopefully this fall, will only be my second. On my first trip, Facebook was fruitless. Admittedly, that was 100% my fault as I just did not invest the time ahead of my visit. The casas were good, not great. My best successes were at Gusto and Lleras. Like some others, I enjoy the party as much as the main event. I'm assuming it'll be at least another month before Gusto reopens. Hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised. But any thoughts on how active Lleras will be in the very near future?

I did not visit Centro on my first visit. I'm not opposed to doing so but I generally prefer at least getting to know the chica over a drink more than the quick transaction. So if Lleras is dead, I guess I'll need to start the Facebook game to maximize options.

Took 2 for 80 mil, 45 minutes in a sala yesterday. 60 mil tips for enhanced services. Cute and enthused, customer satisfaction focused. Really enjoyed it. Excellent diversion from a problematic weekend. Repeat possible with more enhancements. Took a WhatsApp contact.

I like many of you are waiting for Colombia to open back up so I can get to Heaven as quickly as possible. I recently checked La diabla chica list and have discovered some girls I might be interested in. I was curious if anyone here has any information or positive reviews on them.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]Forgive me, YippieKayay because while I am replying to you, it is in no way directed only at you.

Is there anything more exhausting than reading everyone's expert opinion on COVID? All I have learned is that every pervert on these boards is an expert in the communicable disease field.

Far be it from me to leave my expert opinion out. LOL. What in the hell does Vietnam have to do with COVID? That is just a pointless comparison.
[/QUOTE]More American lives were lost in the Vietnam war over twenty years than COVID-19 over six months. If that does not give you pause I don't know what will.

What you guys in Medellin are doing? Outside of fucking, eating, drinking, and watching Netflix, what is there to do in Medellin now?

Is that a trick question? LOL! Beyond what you mentioned we all have different interests. What you mentioned is covered in some detail here so for the rest I refer you to the websites of Medellin City Hall and the the mayor of Medellin. There you will find authorized re-opening schedules for museums and other cultural institutions, restaurants, bars, libraries, educational institutions, and government offices. For more up to the minute content you can consult the local newspapers like El Colombiano. Even a google translation into English is more accurate than what I often see in gringo resources like Medellin guru and such.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2480164]What you guys in Medellin are doing? Outside of fucking, eating, drinking, and watching Netflix, what is there to do in Medellin now?[/QUOTE]

A woman who got my phone number after contacting me on Seeking Arrangement texted me and asked me for $22 for a pass to go from Medellin to Bogota. She assured me her father in the USA Would pay it to my bank account. Like a fool I Paypaled her the $22 and then after googling her phone number (which she said was her mother's) I found that it was an escort from Mileroticos. She subsequently blocked me. This is her webpage: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/morena-tetona-con-tremendro-afro-natual-extarjeta-diosa-del-sexo-oral/18717516/[/URL] Beware!

[QUOTE=Colbert1;2480342]A woman who got my phone number after contacting me on Seeking Arrangement texted me and asked me for $22 for a pass to go from Medellin to Bogota. She assured me her father in the USA Would pay it to my bank account. Like a fool I Paypaled her the $22 and then after googling her phone number (which she said was her mother's) I found that it was an escort from Mileroticos. She subsequently blocked me. This is her webpage: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/morena-tetona-con-tremendro-afro-natual-extarjeta-diosa-del-sexo-oral/18717516/[/URL] Beware![/QUOTE]Why not stick with one of the Somali princes? They're at least offering a big return on your investment.

If some girl in Colombia wants you to send her money and promises her father will pay you back, expecting to get the money back makes as much sense as expecting a woman with 5 children to be a virgin.

Its idiots like you that make guys with common sense have to deal with ridiculous and annoying requests. You perpetuate this kind of behavior. This also goes out to the desperados paying for pics and videos. Again I repeat porn is free.

[QUOTE=Colbert1;2480342]A woman who got my phone number after contacting me on Seeking Arrangement texted me and asked me for $22 for a pass to go from Medellin to Bogota. She assured me her father in the USA Would pay it to my bank account. Like a fool I Paypaled her the $22 and then after googling her phone number (which she said was her mother's) I found that it was an escort from Mileroticos. She subsequently blocked me. This is her webpage: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/morena-tetona-con-tremendro-afro-natual-extarjeta-diosa-del-sexo-oral/18717516/[/URL] Beware![/QUOTE].

Colombia.

Colombia extended their border closure until October 1st, even sealing up land and river borders between neighboring nations, with the exception of transport of essential cargo or humanitarian emergencies.

Tourists are currently not permitted to enter Colombia.

Humanitarian flights are still bringing home stranded Colombians and many are set to arrive into the nation between September 4th and 15th.

Colombia wants to restrict airspace for these humanitarian flights, which is another reason for extending the ban on tourism for another month. Flights brining home nationals are expected to depart from Miami, New York, Panama, Spain, Chile, Aruba, Brazil, Australia and Argentina over the next few weeks.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2480379]Colombia.

Colombia extended their border closure until October 1st, even sealing up land and river borders between neighboring nations, with the exception of transport of essential cargo or humanitarian emergencies.

Tourists are currently not permitted to enter Colombia.

Humanitarian flights are still bringing home stranded Colombians and many are set to arrive into the nation between September 4th and 15th.

Colombia wants to restrict airspace for these humanitarian flights, which is another reason for extending the ban on tourism for another month. Flights brining home nationals are expected to depart from Miami, New York, Panama, Spain, Chile, Aruba, Brazil, Australia and Argentina over the next few weeks.[/QUOTE]The land border is closed until 10/1, international flight is certain to open in September, this is confirmed by Duque on Sunday.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2480376]Its idiots like you that make guys with common sense have to deal with ridiculous and annoying requests. You perpetuate this kind of behavior. This also goes out to the desperados paying for pics and videos. Again I repeat porn is free..[/QUOTE]Why would you have to deal with ridiculous and annoying requests? This continues to baffle me. If someone sends you a ridiculous or annoying request it takes 1 second to block them, which is considerably less time than it takes to go to ISG and write a post complaining about how annoying the requests are.

Seriously, if you think anyone buying videos is responsible for the ridiculous and annoying requests, you might want to just get off the internet entirely. When I first got on Colombian Cupid I was receiving requests for money form about every 5th girl. Tinder, same thing. Facebook, Seeking Arrangements. Yep, same shit.

Had the same thing happen checking out sites dedicated to the DR, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand and Costa Rica.

If you're finding girls online there are going to be girls who want you to send money for something. Instead of crying about it, learn how to block them.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2480269]Is that a trick question? LOL! Beyond what you mentioned we all have different interests. What you mentioned is covered in some detail here so for the rest I refer you to the websites of Medellin City Hall and the the mayor of Medellin. There you will find authorized re-opening schedules for museums and other cultural institutions, restaurants, bars, libraries, educational institutions, and government offices. For more up to the minute content you can consult the local newspapers like El Colombiano. Even a google translation into English is more accurate than what I often see in gringo resources like Medellin guru and such.[/QUOTE]And, I, for one, have 2 jobs on-line, study of spanish, a lifelong hobby that I hope to transform into a larger venture, and Colombian friends that I enjoy a great deal. Also there is frequent, not quite daily, exercise at Estadio. The gyms are opening, I'll probably re-join one soon. It all keeps me quite busy, and tired as well. I am grateful to have all of these, but always have to neglect some as there are only 24 hours and 7 days in a week. And most often lately it is the language study that gets shelved as there is so much isolation and decreased interaction in this long "quarantine" (the term has been wholly misused). And it seems the most futile of my pursuits until I can enter a formal education format where I am accountable

[QUOTE=Blakman;2480379]Colombia.

Colombia extended their border closure until October 1st, even sealing up land and river borders between neighboring nations, with the exception of transport of essential cargo or humanitarian emergencies.

Tourists are currently not permitted to enter Colombia.

Humanitarian flights are still bringing home stranded Colombians and many are set to arrive into the nation between September 4th and 15th.

Colombia wants to restrict airspace for these humanitarian flights, which is another reason for extending the ban on tourism for another month. Flights brining home nationals are expected to depart from Miami, New York, Panama, Spain, Chile, Aruba, Brazil, Australia and Argentina over the next few weeks.[/QUOTE]Were did you get this information from.

Colombia having to restrict airspace to accommodate a handful of flights and it being another reason to ban tourism for another month.

I don't think so.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2480379]Colombia.

Colombia extended their border closure until October 1st, even sealing up land and river borders between neighboring nations, with the exception of transport of essential cargo or humanitarian emergencies.

Tourists are currently not permitted to enter Colombia.

Humanitarian flights are still bringing home stranded Colombians and many are set to arrive into the nation between September 4th and 15th.

Colombia wants to restrict airspace for these humanitarian flights, which is another reason for extending the ban on tourism for another month. Flights brining home nationals are expected to depart from Miami, New York, Panama, Spain, Chile, Aruba, Brazil, Australia and Argentina over the next few weeks.[/QUOTE]I can only find this on "traveloffpath" blog website. Blakman did you find this info somewhere else or do you otherwise know if it's accurate? There seems to be no such announcement from the government of Colombia - at least that I can find. It could be a misunderstanding by that website of the apparently conflicting messages Duque has given.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2480164]What you guys in Medellin are doing? Outside of fucking, eating, drinking, and watching Netflix, what is there to do in Medellin now?[/QUOTE]You make it sound like life is so easy for us. Myself for instance. Each morning of every day I have to make life and death level decisions. What lucky girl is going to get my precious magical nut? The skinny one? The one with the big boobs? The young one? It is nerve racking to say the least. But I am doing my best. Sexercise is tough.

That afternoon I then wander around (I walk around a lot) searching for a new restaurant to try. So far the smoked beef place and a Peruvian place are my top choices. It is tough when I keep finding lemons. Colombian food is so bland and I am not a hot spicy lover so am not expecting a lot.

Then at night when I get to the hotel I just want to relax. But I read about all these pu $$why whipped guys whining and crying about not being in Colombia. They are so much worse than the girls asking for money. It gets me thinking about my smart decision to stay in Colombia and partake in 5 months (6th month just starting) worth of fine young women that they wish they had. Which gets me laughing hysterically with tears in my eyes causing me to fall asleep. Laughing is great exercise.

You guys make me feel like it is Christmas. I am the kid in the candy store getting to eat anything I want and as much as I want. While you are the kids outside in the freezing cold with your balls turning blue. Or is that blue balls?

Next morning wash and repeat. Christmas starts all over again for me.

By the way. I past by Hotel Botero (Ayenda 1235) tonight. The sign was lit along with the entrance and inside foyer. Inside was empty and door handles still gone. Someone was doing something behind the desk. Security guard at the door said the hotel will open again. So keep watching the hotel websites like Agoda /[URL]Bookings.com[/URL].

Elvis: Sorry those BLM losers vandalized your home.

Unsure of its validity, but found it on google. I know I don't have the time to make up the story LOL. Its to my advantage if its a lie though.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2480437]I can only find this on "traveloffpath" blog website. Blakman did you find this info somewhere else or do you otherwise know if it's accurate? There seems to be no such announcement from the government of Colombia - at least that I can find. It could be a misunderstanding by that website of the apparently conflicting messages Duque has given.[/QUOTE].

No harm, no foul, but it's better to mention you don't know how valid the information you copied from google at the time you publish it, rather than wait until somebody questions it. We aren't journalists but the unusual circumstances of the virus has a lot of punters extra thirsty. We have to keep in mind they may make rash decisions based on what they read here.

On that note, I invite everyone to do a flight search on [URL]spirit.com[/URL] for one way Medellin to Fort Lauderdale. I found the result interesting.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2480486]Unsure of its validity, but found it on google. I know I don't have the time to make up the story LOL. Its to my advantage if its a lie though..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2480486]Unsure of its validity, but found it on google. I know I don't have the time to make up the story LOL. Its to my advantage if its a lie though..[/QUOTE]Enough already with the daily cut and paste news updates. Any one of us can set up a google news alert if we want to know the latest. Nothing here on the forum is new, and much of it is incorrect.

I'm already frustrated because all of the chicas arrive at my apartment expecting churros, and I'm like WTF, Blakman banged this one too?

Let's save the space for reports about 80 k trios. How does one say no to that? I had one at Casa Blue in Barranquilla. The girls were cool but not into each other, but I had fun and returned a couple more times to see one of the girls.

Meanwhile here in Medellin, my main 18 yo Paisa is on the hunt for a girl to have a threesome with. Our sex still gets better every time. Bad news is that she got her first tattoo a week ago. I tried to talk her out of it to no avail. It's just that there are so many girls here with tattoos, that I enjoyed her blank canvass. Turns out the tattoo isn't bad per my opinion, but we'll see what she does next.

[QUOTE=Colbert1;2480342]A woman who got my phone number after contacting me on Seeking Arrangement texted me and asked me for $22 for a pass to go from Medellin to Bogota. She assured me her father in the USA Would pay it to my bank account. Like a fool I Paypaled her the $22 and then after googling her phone number (which she said was her mother's) I found that it was an escort from Mileroticos. She subsequently blocked me. This is her webpage: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/morena-tetona-con-tremendro-afro-natual-extarjeta-diosa-del-sexo-oral/18717516/[/URL] Beware![/QUOTE]Why didn't her father send her the money rather than that roundabout route.

Anyways doughnut whoops I mean lugnut. Churros is the first thing I am buying at the grocery store when I get back to Colombia. If cheap works I stick with it. This time I won't partake in eating. Gained 12 ugly pounds while in Colombia and had to work out and eat extremely healthy to lose it. 3 somes are tricky. I think its the best thing Colombia has going. The ease for 3 somes and possibly 4 some. I had 2 where girls didn't know each other and 1 where they did. 2nd and third was really good and 1st was good, if I took more control it would have been better. Anyways continue to enjoy.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2480526]Enough already with the daily cut and paste news updates. Any one of us can set up a google news alert if we want to know the latest. Nothing here on the forum is new, and much of it is incorrect.

I'm already frustrated because all of the chicas arrive at my apartment expecting churros, and I'm like WTF, Blakman banged this one too?

Let's save the space for reports about 80 k trios. How does one say no to that? I had one at Casa Blue in Barranquilla. The girls were cool but not into each other, but I had fun and returned a couple more times to see one of the girls.

Meanwhile here in Medellin, my main 18 yo Paisa is on the hunt for a girl to have a threesome with. Our sex still gets better every time. Bad news is that she got her first tattoo a week ago. I tried to talk her out of it to no avail. It's just that there are so many girls here with tattoos, that I enjoyed her blank canvass. Turns out the tattoo isn't bad per my opinion, but we'll see what she does next.[/QUOTE].

Hey fellas,

What are the prices like on seeking? Is it.

120,000 for 1 hour.

240,000 for 2 hours.

300,000 for 3 hours.

What are your experiences with pricing on seeking?

Are there any Facebook girls in Cali?

[QUOTE=Frank11;2480727]Hey fellas,

What are the prices like on seeking? Is it.

120,000 for 1 hour.

240,000 for 2 hours.

300,000 for 3 hours.

What are your experiences with pricing on seeking?[/QUOTE]My experience is the price varies and you can count on it to be the most expensive option for a meet if you have to pay.

I stop talking to them as soon as they give me a rate that is by hours.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2480737]My experience is the price varies and you can count on it to be the most expensive option for a meet if you have to pay.

I stop talking to them as soon as they give me a rate that is by hours.[/QUOTE]Okay thanks for your reply. Since you say the price varies. How exactly does the price vary with your experience can you please provide some numbers? What do you mean by the most expensive option?300,000? Well I'm not sure it cool to stop talking to them if they give you price per hour maybe I just don't understand what you're saying. But when people do business They need to be upfront about the prices to avoid confusion and conflict.

it'sProbably not a good idea to pay just to meet Without any sex. An alternative is to meet In videoconference. When the girl meets the guy she isn't really doing anything that merits a reward.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2480739]Okay thanks for your reply. Since you say the price varies. How exactly does the price vary with your experience can you please provide some numbers? What do you mean by the most expensive option?300,000? Well I'm not sure it cool to stop talking to them if they give you price per hour maybe I just don't understand what you're saying. But when people do business They need to be upfront about the prices to avoid confusion and conflict.

it'sProbably not a good idea to pay just to meet Without any sex. An alternative is to meet In videoconference. When the girl meets the guy she isn't really doing anything that merits a reward.[/QUOTE]There is no set price on seeking. Often the price is based on the lead they use to join the site. Like if I tell you the price is 400 K on seeking, then you will think the girl on seeking is 400 K and you pay 400 K. Slap can tell you it is 300 K and you will think the girl's rate is 300 K. Elvis can tell you it is free, and you will think it is free. Turn this scenario around for girls, and you can see why there are different prices.

You can find PPM and they are like FB girls except it is unlikely they will quote a price that ls lower than 200 K. 500 K and more is common enough. Some want to live with you and support her entire family so that can get expensive. Some don't want money but that may become the most expensive ones long term.

It is rare in my experience in Medellin that you pay for a meet without sex. It is common in some countries but it simply has not come up for me in Medellin. Some do offer a test drive before a long term arrangement

It is a site for arrangement. It is time consuming but once you find an arrangement, you will save time. That is an ideal situation for someone who is still working while in Medellin.

Yesss that is a pretty good answer. On seeking it's Maybe okay to pay the girl more after she proves she is a good companion. She has to be honest responsible friendly make people feel welcome and she has to like sex. Can she be kind to strangers? A pretty picture is important but that doesn't mean anything. A pretty girl without the intellectual skills is not a big earner.

Playing around with seeking there was this funny part. The girl says yeah I'm open to having sex but I like to get to know you 1st. How about dinner restaurant? So the repliy is sure I like to go to restaurant with you but I'd like to have sex 1st then get to know you.

I feel sorry for her boyfriend. I can't stand being around a woman that doesn't satisfy her man. It's such an uncomfortable feeling. The other day I was laughing so hard reading about this girl 19 years old dating a guy she was telling him that she wanted to wait for the right moment that they should be married 1st. Like I respect her and of course As soon as she told me that I would leave. I'm not the right man for her.

The last time I tried getting to know a girl without having sex we are having in deep conversation so deep I had to mention I had a full-size hard on in my pants from making so much effort to get to know her. "but you didn't even touch it?" "you can do it without touching it?"

Whatever.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2480749]On seeking it's Maybe okay to pay the girl more after she proves she is a good companion. [/QUOTE]My experience is the opposite. The first test drive costs more, then the arrangement will average out to be lower per meet overtime.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2480749]A pretty girl without the intellectual skills is not a big earner.[/QUOTE]That usually is a lot of work if you only meet online. The next thing you know is that you two are doing her homework together. You can have deep conversation everyday with some of them and it will be like having another full time job.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2480521]No harm, no foul, but it's better to mention you don't know how valid the information you copied from google at the time you publish it, rather than wait until somebody questions it. We aren't journalists but the unusual circumstances of the virus has a lot of punters extra thirsty. We have to keep in mind they may make rash decisions based on what they read here.

On that note, I invite everyone to do a flight search on [URL]spirit.com[/URL] for one way Medellin to Fort Lauderdale. I found the result interesting.[/QUOTE]Spirt canceled all my flights this months, I brought multiple tickets. American is still selling tickets from Miami to Medellin. I brought one after the 15th, just to be on the safe side. Unfortunately, given how equivocal the Colombian government is about the details of the opening, we will just have to buying and canceling tickets throughout the month.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2480376]Its idiots like you that make guys with common sense have to deal with ridiculous and annoying requests. You perpetuate this kind of behavior. This also goes out to the desperados paying for pics and videos. Again I repeat porn is free.

.[/QUOTE]Snakman, I was thinking of you, this week. Pinky now has a crew of chicas, and she has this guy that pays her to introduce girls for VIDEO CHAT, then pays the girls! Blows my mind. Doesn't upset me as much as you, but fuck... he's paying Pinky $30 for a new contact, then paying the girls $15 for a call. Imagine if all the chicas in the casas get wind of this! Thankfully, or should I say, hopefully, this is a rare occurrence.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2480739]Since you say the price varies. How exactly does the price vary with your experience can you please provide some numbers? What do you mean by the most expensive option?300,000? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2480746]There is no set price on seeking. Often the price is based on the lead they use to join the site. Like if I tell you the price is 400 K on seeking, then you will think the girl on seeking is 400 K and you pay 400 K. Slap can tell you it is 300 K and you will think the girl's rate is 300 K. Elvis can tell you it is free, and you will think it is free. Turn this scenario around for girls, and you can see why there are different prices.

You can find PPM and they are like FB girls except it is unlikely they will quote a price that ls lower than 200 K. 500 K and more is common enough. Some want to live with you and support her entire family so that can get expensive. Some don't want money but that may become the most expensive ones long term.[/QUOTE]I have seen a range from FREE to $500 USD for an evening (4:1 ratio, in my experience). So, ya, it's like buying a car. If you want the most common average price, I'd say 250.000-300.000 on SA and FB mafia. For some, that is multiple pops / hours, for others that is 1 HR /1 pop. There is no correct answer. It's pointless to discuss this further.

Back to my apartment search...

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2480746]There is no set price on seeking. Often the price is based on the lead they use to join the site. Like if I tell you the price is 400 K on seeking, then you will think the girl on seeking is 400 K and you pay 400 K. Slap can tell you it is 300 K and you will think the girl's rate is 300 K. Elvis can tell you it is free, and you will think it is free. Turn this scenario around for girls, and you can see why there are different prices.

You can find PPM and they are like FB girls except it is unlikely they will quote a price that ls lower than 200 K. 500 K and more is common enough. Some want to live with you and support her entire family so that can get expensive. Some don't want money but that may become the most expensive ones long term.

It is rare in my experience in Medellin that you pay for a meet without sex. It is common in some countries but it simply has not come up for me in Medellin. Some do offer a test drive before a long term arrangement

It is a site for arrangement. It is time consuming but once you find an arrangement, you will save time. That is an ideal situation for someone who is still working while in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Why would you fly all to Colombia if you're going to have pay $250/ HR? That's what you'the have to pay state side.

[QUOTE=PimpJuic3;2480935]Why would you fly all to Colombia if you're going to have pay $250/ HR? That's what you'the have to pay state side.[/QUOTE]Why would you feel you have to pay $250/ HR when prices range from $10/30 minutes up to $65/ hour for most of the women available?

[QUOTE=PimpJuic3;2480935]Why would you fly all to Colombia if you're going to have pay $250/ HR? That's what you'the have to pay state side.[/QUOTE]It's more like anywhere from $15 dollars to $80 / HR in Colombia.

For various reasons. In Colombia, the women actually enjoy the session (or at least pretend to), they are generally cool and fun to have a conversation with if you both speak the same language, you can have the GFE experience, and the quality of the women in Colombia compared to the price paid makes it all the worthwhile.

[QUOTE=PimpJuic3;2480935]Why would you fly all to Colombia if you're going to have pay $250/ HR? That's what you'the have to pay state side.[/QUOTE]Nobody is paying USD 250 per hour in Colombia.

What was mentioned previously is For escorts in the upper end of the quality scale:

120,000 pesos for one hour = US $32 US dollars.

240,000 pesos for 2 hours = 64,98 US dollars.

And 300,000 pesos for 3 hours = 81,23 US dollars.

Of course, if you're looking for a specific particular escort you may have to pay a little bit more. If you take any escort thEN You will find someone at the standard rates.There are many factors to take into account like is Her schedule already full?

[QUOTE=Gringo Trooper;2481105]It's more like anywhere from $15 dollars to $80 / HR in Colombia.

For various reasons. In Colombia, the women actually enjoy the session (or at least pretend to), they are generally cool and fun to have a conversation with if you both speak the same language, you can have the GFE experience, and the quality of the women in Colombia compared to the price paid makes it all the worthwhile.[/QUOTE]

in Colombia a lot of people are generally welcoming and friendly to Respectful foreigners. The local escorts do offer the girlfriend experience. In Colombia does not have the 1st world type of problem of skyrocketing prices. For example, a 10 m apartment without a bathroom for $3,000,000 US/Euro/pounds. Of course, Respectfully said, saving face, no country is perfect. Yes it's true that the escorts provide girlfriend experience in Colombia, but this friendly girlfriend experience can also be found in many other places in the world.

Found a nice 3br in Laureles with a jacuzzi (tub), and some other nice features. La 70 is pretty slow, right now, but it might be a nice change of pace to try out some local spots for groceries, dinner, etc. SmartFit confirmed today that I can change my single location (to use all locations you need a year membership, I pay month-to-month). Lots of space and the living room is much more comfy than the penthouse I'm in. I looked at a few other apartments near Lleras that were asking close to $4 k and just couldn't justify pulling the trigger. I'm getting a good deal on this one (just a bit less than I have been paying), and the owner is coming into town in October, if travel restrictions are lifted. So, it's short-term and has everything I need. I'm not looking forward to moving all my shit, but Pinky is here to help. What an upgrade she has been, by the way. Super chill, fun to fuck, down with the threesomes, but she chips-in. She cooks, she cleans, and is always asking te ayudo?

Anyway, the reports have been lacking as I was apartment searching, etc.

Tonight, a trio with Pinky and the Sex Goddess is on the schedule. SG has promised to be nice and not jealous. I'm excited to see how they vibe. SG is one of those who is a few years older, has a steady job, doesn't do tussi, so she thinks she's better. She doesn't seem to comprehend that some wild horses don't want to be saddled. Pinky's IDGAF attitude is exactly why she gets a key to the castle. Anyway, two sexy mulattas, dinner, drinks, a jacuzzi... one last hoorah before the move.

Cheers.

The thirsty retards paying girls in Gusto disco US $200 for an hour's work. That is COP750,000 pesos for an hour. These skanks, some of them worked in COP60,000 pesos per hour casas, then go find a sucker at Gusto later that night. Just for comparison's sake, their monthly minimum salary is COP980,000. That's for a month's worth of work, 160 hours. Duh!

[QUOTE=Frank11;2481161]Nobody is paying USD 250 per hour in Colombia.

What was mentioned previously is For escorts in the upper end of the quality scale:

120,000 pesos for one hour = US $32 US dollars.

240,000 pesos for 2 hours = 64,98 US dollars.

And 300,000 pesos for 3 hours = 81,23 US dollars.

Of course, if you're looking for a specific particular escort you may have to pay a little bit more. If you take any escort thEN You will find someone at the standard rates.There are many factors to take into account like is Her schedule already full?



in Colombia a lot of people are generally welcoming and friendly to Respectful foreigners. The local escorts do offer the girlfriend experience. In Colombia does not have the 1st world type of problem of skyrocketing prices. For example, a 10 m apartment without a bathroom for $3,000,000 US/Euro/pounds. Of course, Respectfully said, saving face, no country is perfect. Yes it's true that the escorts provide girlfriend experience in Colombia, but this friendly girlfriend experience can also be found in many other places in the world.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2481185]The thirsty retards paying girls in Gusto disco US $200 for an hour's work. That is COP750,000 pesos for an hour. These skanks, some of them worked in COP60,000 pesos per hour casas, then go find a sucker at Gusto later that night. Just for comparison's sake, their monthly minimum salary is COP980,000. That's for a month's worth of work, 160 hours. Duh![/QUOTE]Well after thinking about it maybe there are 2 explanations. (1) the girls are taking advantage of the guys. (2) the guys are being generous.

Doesn't matter if an escort looks like a statue 10 out of 10. If she is taking advantage of the guy There will always be a better escort. Scammers will score a few economic Profits here and there. Honest hard-working Reliable people will reap the benefits for lifetime.

There are always going to be suckers but there are thousands of girls and very few suckers.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2481185]The thirsty retards paying girls in Gusto disco US $200 for an hour's work. That is COP750,000 pesos for an hour. These skanks, some of them worked in COP60,000 pesos per hour casas, then go find a sucker at Gusto later that night. Just for comparison's sake, their monthly minimum salary is COP980,000. That's for a month's worth of work, 160 hours. Duh![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2481185]The thirsty retards paying girls in Gusto disco US $200 for an hour's work. That is COP750,000 pesos for an hour. These skanks, some of them worked in COP60,000 pesos per hour casas, then go find a sucker at Gusto later that night. Just for comparison's sake, their monthly minimum salary is COP980,000. That's for a month's worth of work, 160 hours. Duh![/QUOTE]And that minimum salary is not like the minimum salary in the US, where only a small % of the population makes the minimum wage. In Colombia, a large percentage of the population will never make more than the minimum wage. And there is also a significant portion of the Colombian labor force with "informal" jobs that don't even pay the minimum wage.

[QUOTE=Combo;2481196]And that minimum salary is not like the minimum salary in the US, where only a small % of the population makes the minimum wage. In Colombia, a large percentage of the population will never make more than the minimum wage. And there is also a significant portion of the Colombian labor force with "informal" jobs that don't even pay the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]And as your probably aware, the minimum wage also typically includes working half a day on Saturdays as well. In my building the lady who does the building cleaning and light maintenance puts in 8 eight hours a day Monday thru Friday and has to work 1/2 day on Saturdays as well.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2481191]Well after thinking about it maybe there are 2 explanations. (1) the girls are taking advantage of the guys. (2) the guys are being generous.

Doesn't matter if an escort looks like a statue 10 out of 10. If she is taking advantage of the guy There will always be a better escort. Scammers will score a few economic Profits here and there. Honest hard-working Reliable people will reap the benefits for lifetime.[/QUOTE]Naw. People staying at the Charlee or other touristy hotels, and they know nothing about the country or the opportunities. They walk down the street, get invited in to go up and see, and it is like paradise. Gorgeous women, loud music, friendly gorgeous women, drinks, really friendly really gorgeous women. And only a couple of hundred bucks or so. Been there and observed it. Saw a chica I had been with a few days earlier (for 200 K) taking a guy she met at Gusto off on her moto to somewhere to do the deed, guarantee it was at least $200 US. Probably more like $300 or more. She was gorgeous. Not really taking advantage. Just marketing and being in the right place at the right time. When she was in Gusto I'm sure she had her price. And if it was $300 it would not have been a dollar less. And where I was it was 200 K COP (say $60) and she wouldn't go down to 150 which was more the going price. And I would not argue with her logic. In Gusto's she is worth every penny of that. And where I was she was worth every peso of what I paid. Just that I wouldn't be the guy in Gusto. But I bet he's still telling his buddies back in the states about her. If you're paying a few hundred a night at your hotel, and enjoying a few days in Colombia, that was probably the best money that guy spent there.

What's worse is that, in my experience, most of the girls in Gusto's are not gorgeous. There are a few stunners, but many are average and some shouldn't bother. I say that from limited experience, but that was my impression. Never pulled a chica from there. Never stayed long enough to buy a drink because I was not impressed with the chicas.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2481207]Naw. People staying at the Charlee or other touristy hotels, and they know nothing about the country or the opportunities. They walk down the street, get invited in to go up and see, and it is like paradise. Gorgeous women, loud music, friendly gorgeous women, drinks, really friendly really gorgeous women. And only a couple of hundred bucks or so. Been there and observed it. Saw a chica I had been with a few days earlier (for 200 K) taking a guy she met at Gusto off on her moto to somewhere to do the deed, guarantee it was at least $200 US. Probably more like $300 or more. She was gorgeous. Not really taking advantage. Just marketing and being in the right place at the right time. When she was in Gusto I'm sure she had her price. And if it was $300 it would not have been a dollar less. And where I was it was 200 K COP (say $60) and she wouldn't go down to 150 which was more the going price. And I would not argue with her logic. In Gusto's she is worth every penny of that. And where I was she was worth every peso of what I paid. Just that I wouldn't be the guy in Gusto. But I bet he's still telling his buddies back in the states about her. If you're paying a few hundred a night at your hotel, and enjoying a few days in Colombia, that was probably the best money that guy spent there.[/QUOTE]

So there you have it doughnut. As stated in my copy and paste post. International flights ban extended til October for sure and my gut speculation November. Sjob you can forget making it to Colombia September.

As a recent newbie. I stayed in Gustos for Just 15 minutes. I saw some legit bodies inside and regret I didn't stay longer. Being a cheapy charlie and reading all the post of expensive drinks and Chicas are expensive was influential in my short stay at the club. I disagree with not entertaining the club. Go and enjoy. Try to get as much contacts as you can. And then hope later to communicate with them for less. Theres another club that has good looking chicas as well. Lleras Park Club. I agree do not pay the outrageous price they suggest initially. I met 2 7/8 from the clubs. One stuck with 225 mil /1. 5 hours and and my 8 I call her dropped to 145 mil for TLN.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2481217]What's worse is that, in my experience, most of the girls in Gusto's are not gorgeous. There are a few stunners, but many are average and some shouldn't bother. I say that from limited experience, but that was my impression. Never pulled a chica from there. Never stayed long enough to buy a drink because I was not impressed with the chicas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2481252]As a recent newbie. I stayed in Gustos for Just 15 minutes. I saw some legit bodies inside and regret I didn't stay longer. Being a cheapy charlie and reading all the post of expensive drinks and Chicas are expensive was influential in my short stay at the club. I disagree with not entertaining the club. Go and enjoy. Try to get as much contacts as you can. And then hope later to communicate with them for less. Theres another club that has good looking chicas as well. Lleras Park Club. I agree do not pay the outrageous price they suggest initially. I met 2 7/8 from the clubs. One stuck with 225 mil /1. 5 hours and and my 8 I call her dropped to 145 mil for TLN.[/QUOTE]There's a trick to Gusto. Find a gringo who is in a party mood and who feels like spending money. Steer him to Gusto (or follow along when he suggests Gusto). Let him start a tab. Drink for free, collect WhatsApp numbers and then steer him to Club Fahrenheit when Gusto closes (or follow along when he suggests Club Fahrenheit). Repeat.

Partied until 7 am and only spent 10 k. And Fahrenheit was walking distance to my apartment.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2481249]So there you have it doughnut. As stated in my copy and paste post. International flights ban extended til October for sure and my gut speculation November. Sjob you can forget making it to Colombia September.[/QUOTE]Check out this website if you want an up to date search of where you can and cannot fly to depending on the passport you hold. It looks like Colombia is not allowing international travelers until after October 1st, although I wouldn't be surprised if they extended it to Nov 1st in the future.

[URL]https://canitravel.net/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2481249]So there you have it doughnut. As stated in my copy and paste post. International flights ban extended til October for sure and my gut speculation November. Sjob you can forget making it to Colombia September.[/QUOTE]Yeah, my 17th flight on AA got canceled too. I already booked on the 24th flight, if that gets canceled, I will book the next one. Regardless, I will be on the first flight to Medellin, and hopefully I don't ever have to come back.

On Aug 28 Duque said they were working on the protocols for air travel from / to neighboring countries, and they should have something within 10 days, which will take us to Monday, Sept 7. If they open up air travel to Ecuador or Brazil, I will be on the first flight to there and then hop over to Medellin, well if I get to Brazil, I might never leave.

Just checked the link, don't know it's validity but from my country I am allowed in Dominican and Brazil, might have to change plans if Colombia doesn't open until next year!

[QUOTE=PimpJuic3;2481319]Check out this website if you want an up to date search of where you can and cannot fly to depending on the passport you hold. It looks like Colombia is not allowing international travelers until after October 1st, although I wouldn't be surprised if they extended it to Nov 1st in the future.

[URL]https://canitravel.net/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SJobs;2481329]Yeah, my 17th flight on AA got canceled too. I already booked on the 24th flight, if that gets canceled, I will book the next one. Regardless, I will be on the first flight to Medellin, and hopefully I don't ever have to come back.

On Aug 28 Duque said they were working on the protocols for air travel from / to neighboring countries, and they should have something within 10 days, which will take us to Monday, Sept 7. If they open up air travel to Ecuador or Brazil, I will be on the first flight to there and then hop over to Medellin, well if I get to Brazil, I might never leave.[/QUOTE]You won't be in Medellin until mid-2021. Just accept it and stop with the desperation already. Its annoying LOL.

I've kept up with the Bogota and Medellin threads, but I haven't heard much mention of Cam girls. It's a pretty popular place for meeting women in Phils, but there doesn't seem to be much discussion about it on the Colombia boards, despite the Colombians having a huge presence in the webcam industry. I'm wondering if anyone has had success meeting women for P4P this way. The advantage is you get some interaction from the comfort of your house, you get to see them naked, and you can get a feel for how wild they might be. I'm stuck in my home country, but I'm planning on visiting Colombia, and I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to try to set something up with a few hot cam girls before I arrive.

As you all keep scrambling to find a flight into Colombia / Medellin ASAP those of us 'stuck' (hehehehe) here in Medellin for the past almost 6 months getting more sweet pussy in these past 6 months than the average horny guy gets in a lifetime, no joke, it's everywhere.

Just the other day my wing-man and I met 2 paisas in Botero, within 10 minutes were driving to our crib then partied with these cuties for the next few hours, 100 mil and drinks and snacks.

Nowhere in the world, I mean nowhere do you have the ability to meet and party with these paisa chicas, they just love to party and have fun, it is like the free love and free spirited days of the 1960's in San Francisco and Woodstock era, really incredible free spirited girls.

My gawd I could hardly drive as my paisa beauty was all over me with my pants unzipped and my buddy with his girl in the back seat finger banging her, hehehehe all the time trying to drive on the autopista.

Can't make this shit up.

Love it forever!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2481207]

Saw a chica I had been with a few days earlier (for 200 K) taking a guy she met at Gusto off on her moto to somewhere to do the deed, guarantee it was at least $200 US. Probably more like $300 or more. She was gorgeous. Not really taking advantage. Just marketing and being in the right place at the right time. When she was in Gusto I'm sure she had her price. And if it was $300 it would not have been a dollar less. And where I was it was 200 K COP (say $60) and she wouldn't go down to 150 which was more the going price. And I would not argue with her logic. In Gusto's she is worth every penny of that. [/QUOTE]What you are saying is valid. We don't have to agree there are different points of view.

A different point of view is that the girl is charging US $200 for something worth 200 K. Doesn't matter how gorgeous she is. Not really the type person I would enjoy dancing with. Seems like a dishonest backstaber or to me. If she loves me so much and I am her Friend, if we are an economic partnership, then why up charge me by More than 300%? The irony is if the chemistry was right and she is honest and hard-working and generous with her loving then she would have received a lot more than US $200.

There are times when it is not so easy to know if you are paying more. 1 of the situations I know someone who actually paid more because it was just impossible to investigate the standard rates. The girl was so honest she gave him the money back and told him what the standard rates are. So the guy then made sure to rebook her several times to give her all that money that she had returned Him. That seems to me like an honest gorgeous girl. The other girl was up charging by 300% is just a backstaber.

There is no such thing as easy money. There may be an exception here and there, but That is because every rule can have a few exceptions. The only easy money situation would be like yeah that was easy money but only after 10 years of training. So go train for 10 years and then tell me if that was easy all that training.

Plus if her customers find out about the standard rate they may actually be angry with her. And a lot of angry people are vengeful. So this is not a good situation. Now the other hand if the customer is being generous then I guess she deserved her money.

OMG! I could not believe what day it was when I woke up this morning. Do you know what day it was? Christmas for me yet again. Fingers are getting worn out opening all my gifts. So now I have the girls undress themselves.

OK. The truth now.

The chicas are so ugly and starting to smell now. The girls I pay 30-50 said as soon as the stupid gringos land they are all going to charge 130-150. They all started and joined this new union. They are all union workers now. It is called "Going to get mine and then some! They informed me that I would be grandfathered in at the original rate.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2481616]As you all keep scrambling to find a flight into Colombia / Medellin ASAP those of us 'stuck' (hehehehe) here in Medellin for the past almost 6 months getting more sweet pussy in these past 6 months than the average horny guy gets in a lifetime, no joke, it's everywhere.

Just the other day my wing-man and I met 2 paisas in Botero, within 10 minutes were driving to our crib then partied with these cuties for the next few hours, 100 mil and drinks and snacks.

Love it forever!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I am so jelly, TM. Shit, I have been helping out a few chicas in Colombia and four more I have just been talking to. They are so horny my God these Colombian women have no inhibitions. I do not know who or even where I am going to start, probably MDE if I have a choice or maybe CTG if the reports are right.

The thing is even after the flights do open up, most guys are going to be scared to go, and I am not seeing any of my chicas getting any work anytime soon. I bet it is as good as you are seeing now for the next year. At least I can hope. Man I wish I was there.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2481666]What you are saying is valid. We don't have to agree there are different points of view.

A different point of view is that the girl is charging US $200 for something worth 200 K. Doesn't matter how gorgeous she is. Not really the type person I would enjoy dancing with. Seems like a dishonest backstaber or to me. If she loves me so much and I am her Friend, if we are an economic partnership, then why up charge me by More than 300%? The irony is if the chemistry was right and she is honest and hard-working and generous with her loving then she would have received a lot more than US $200.

There are times when it is not so easy to know if you are paying more. 1 of the situations I know someone who actually paid more because it was just impossible to investigate the standard rates. The girl was so honest she gave him the money back and told him what the standard rates are. So the guy then made sure to rebook her several times to give her all that money that she had returned Him. That seems to me like an honest gorgeous girl. The other girl was up charging by 300% is just a backstaber.

There is no such thing as easy money. There may be an exception here and there, but That is because every rule can have a few exceptions. The only easy money situation would be like yeah that was easy money but only after 10 years of training. So go train for 10 years and then tell me if that was easy all that training.

Plus if her customers find out about the standard rate they may actually be angry with her. And a lot of angry people are vengeful. So this is not a good situation. Now the other hand if the customer is being generous then I guess she deserved her money.[/QUOTE]Its a little tricky following your post are you drinking? LOL.

Quick story, several years ago, I agree to fuk a super hot 18 yo spinner BBFS for dos mil pesos in Tijuana 2 x what I typically would ever agree to.

Long story short I fuck her like a porn star, and fill her with my salsa, I pull out 2 1000 mil notes and hand her them before we leave the room and she hands one back to me and gives me a big kiss LOL.

Now that's what I call that a great session LOL.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481480]You won't be in Medellin until mid-2021. Just accept it and stop with the desperation already. Its annoying LOL.[/QUOTE]Remember this kind of kid on the playground?

[QUOTE=Hexzor;2481510]I've kept up with the Bogota and Medellin threads, but I haven't heard much mention of Cam girls. It's a pretty popular place for meeting women in Phils, but there doesn't seem to be much discussion about it on the Colombia boards, despite the Colombians having a huge presence in the webcam industry. I'm wondering if anyone has had success meeting women for P4P this way. The advantage is you get some interaction from the comfort of your house, you get to see them naked, and you can get a feel for how wild they might be. I'm stuck in my home country, but I'm planning on visiting Colombia, and I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to try to set something up with a few hot cam girls before I arrive.[/QUOTE]I guess it's been a few months since we've had this conversation.

The short answer is"No."

Yes, it is possible, but mostly you are going to be wasting your time and your money.

A Colombian webcam model who is supporting herself is taking home $500-$1000 per week or more. If she's successful, double that. Typically she's working 20-40 hours. That puts her income at 8-16 times minimum wage, up to 30 times minimum wage if she's successful. Why would she choose to spend an hour having sex with a complete stranger for the same amount as she makes during an hour on webcam?

There are other obstacles.

If she's working for a studio, and almost all of them are, she probably has a monitor. A monitor is someone who works for the studio who helps her. The monitor also reads all the chat, including PMs and tip notes. In many cases it's the monitor who is answering the PMs. You'll be trying to set up a date with a girl by talking to a guy whose job is to keep the girl from setting up dates.

Getting her attention is another obstacle. You're going to have to spend some money before she'll take you seriously. 1000 tokens costs you $80. Figure a minimum of 500 tokens per week for 6 weeks before you move high enough up her list to get her WhatsApp. That's $240 just to get to the stage where you can eventually try to get a date. Continue at that level until you're in Colombia. If your lead time is 6 months you'll spend over $1000 before you have a chance to even meet her.

A typical facebook girl will cost you $60 with taxi for a minimum of 1 hour. If you go to a casa you'll spend $15 for 30 minutes.

If you enjoy webcams, have fun with the webcams. But if you think the webcam models are going to be easy pickings, you're going to be disappointed.

International flights to CTG back in business on September 21st. As per the Cartagena thread.

National flights in Colombia have already been going on.

Therefore, arrive internationally to CTG and then pop on over to MDE.

Or maybe, we will see more news soon regarding dates for other international airports in Colombia.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481480]You won't be in Medellin until mid-2021. Just accept it and stop with the desperation already. Its annoying LOL.[/QUOTE]Do you have any concrete data to show the likelihood of Colombia being closed until mid next year? I think through persistence one will get through, this is not an unsolvable problem. If you find my post annoying, just don't read it, I couldn't care less about how it makes you feel, your feeling is completely irrelevant to me.

[QUOTE=Psychman;2481704]Remember this kind of kid on the playground?[/QUOTE]Well, I remember kids on the play ground who give up everything on the first try, when things gets tough, they are the first one who quits and they hate to see other people continue trying. I respect their existence, and they normally end up working for me; I will divide a seemingly unsolvable problem into small pieces so they can comfortably work on it. Anyways, people are different, some give up easily some will continue trying, I'm not the kind of person who give up on things easily.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2481714]International flights to CTG back in business on September 21st. As per the Cartagena thread.

National flights in Colombia have already been going on.

Therefore, arrive internationally to CTG and then pop on over to MDE.

Or maybe, we will see more news soon regarding dates for other international airports in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this information. I have seen multiple sources today include a twit from the major of Cartagena ([URL]https://twitter.com/NoticiasRCN/status/1303133345358979072?s=20[/URL]) stating the 9/21 opening date. I have already brought a ticket to Cartagena on 9/21. I still have two Medellin tickets for late this month, if the Cartagena route solidifies, I will cancel my Medellin flights. What's the best way to get from Cartagena to Medellin? Has the domestic flights resumed?

[QUOTE=Frank11;2481666]What you are saying is valid. We don't have to agree there are different points of view.

A different point of view is that the girl is charging US $200 for something worth 200 K. Doesn't matter how gorgeous she is. Not really the type person I would enjoy dancing with. Seems like a dishonest backstaber or to me. If she loves me so much and I am her Friend, if we are an economic partnership, then why up charge me by More than 300%? The irony is if the chemistry was right and she is honest and hard-working and generous with her loving then she would have received a lot more than US $200.

There are times when it is not so easy to know if you are paying more. 1 of the situations I know someone who actually paid more because it was just impossible to investigate the standard rates. The girl was so honest she gave him the money back and told him what the standard rates are. So the guy then made sure to rebook her several times to give her all that money that she had returned Him. That seems to me like an honest gorgeous girl. The other girl was up charging by 300% is just a backstaber.

There is no such thing as easy money. There may be an exception here and there, but That is because every rule can have a few exceptions. The only easy money situation would be like yeah that was easy money but only after 10 years of training. So go train for 10 years and then tell me if that was easy all that training.

Plus if her customers find out about the standard rate they may actually be angry with her. And a lot of angry people are vengeful. So this is not a good situation. Now the other hand if the customer is being generous then I guess she deserved her money.[/QUOTE]The problem with your logic is simple. You say she was charging $200 for something worth 200 K pesos. I don't agree with that. She was charging what the going rates were in each place. More power to her. It's not a requirement that she always charge some theoretical "correct" rate. The rate is what 2 people agree on. She was a great deal at both rates. And for sure she knows the difference. It's really no different than the worker in Vegas that charges $800, and a similar worker in Colombia that charges 80 K pesos. Different place, different environment, 2 people that agree on the price. Perfect.

As I said. I'm not the guy that's going to pay 2 or 3 hundred US in Gustos. But if everyone is happy. I have absolutely no problem with it. And yes, if some of these customers find out that other venues result in a cheaper price perhaps they might react. But, remember, no matter what you pay someone else probably paid a lot less, and others a lot more. Depending on location, circumstances, etc. As long as everyone is happy. Fair deal.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2481727]Anyways, people are different, some give up easily some will continue trying, I'm not the kind of person who give up on things easily.[/QUOTE]Sports are the same way. People who can surf because of the same reason.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2481725] I think through persistence one will get through, this is not an unsolvable problem. If you find my post annoying, just don't read it, I couldn't care less about how it makes you feel, your feeling is completely irrelevant to me.[/QUOTE]It's a "problem" that is totally out of your hands, thus there is nothing to "solve. " You'll get in when the way is clear. In the meantime jack off or buy a local hooker. Ultimately no one here cares when or how you get your dick wet or how many airlines tickets you buy. When there is some definite news we will all know soon enough.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2481714]International flights to CTG back in business on September 21st. As per the Cartagena thread.

National flights in Colombia have already been going on.

Therefore, arrive internationally to CTG and then pop on over to MDE.

Or maybe, we will see more news soon regarding dates for other international airports in Colombia.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.dinero.com/amp/vuelos-internacionales-colombia-cartagena-recibira-vuelos-el-21-de-septiembre/299396?fbclid=IwAR279hFni_qMOZxITLFFNN-q8a1_mdnXZW7MjOMTYCDGbbL5T5ZFCYagwU4[/URL]

No, I did not read every word. SJobs and others can do that, but here is the link.

I had an amazing trio with the Sex Goddess and Pinky on Saturday. It went exactly as I expected. It started with the girls being a bit stand-offish, SG making stupid little comments like how she didn't bring a bikini and I already know she doesn't like the jacuzzi (because that makes her like all the others), and other shit to not-so-subtly prove she has been over and knows me well. She asked Pinky's age in a way that demonstrated she was older, wiser, more mature, classy, blah blah blah. As we sat down for dinner, things loosened up, then more so when Pinky brought out a blunt for them to share. Pinky set her up with a bikini and we were off. SG was fucking hammering Pinky in the jacuzzi. It was no holds barred in the bedroom. Holy shit. SG was giving me beso negro as Pinky was going down on her, SG was punishing Pinky. It had been about 3-4 days since I blew my load, mostly because of the dental surgery, and going out to Lleras a couple nights. I blew a huge load on Pinky's ass. The contrast is amazing. Anyway, long story short, it was fantastic. Pinky has a new favorite, which is perfect for me, because her past favorite was getting a belly from quarantine. She's cute, nice, and fun, but just not worth the 200-250k she wants to come hang out with Pinky and get banged once or twice. I think SG will be back again, soon, and maybe at the price of Uber-only, again.

I moved into my new place in Laureles, and I brought the handyman from my last place to fix the jacuzzi tub. Should be done by tonight or tomorrow. I got a good deal and got a few days free. The projector screen was awesome for watching sports, last night, with the wifi being much better than my last spot. It's a much more chill vibe, here, and will hopefully be a nice change of pace for a month. In October, I'll decide whether to move back towards Poblado, or maybe consider a finca or hit some new spots (Pereira, San Andres, Santa Marta, etc.).

Cheers!

Slapshot,

I enjoyed your report as usual. Perhaps it's a language barrier, the quotes the mayor of Cartagena about the September 21 date. It is of course not a decision he can make individually. The link also references President Duque's statement of last month that pilot international flights are authorized to begin this month. The third source referenced is the Minister of Transportation's statement that there is as yet no confirmed date for resuming international flights and it depends on bilateral agreements with other countries. Basically, it's more of the same all these random clickbait links provide. No new information. Thirsty guys are driving web analytics statistics through the roof with frantic searches for ways into Colombia. Savvy web marketers are cashing in by strategically wording headlines to suggest a breakthrough or new information. The result is what we see here and elsewhere on the Internet. Once again, for those interested in useful and accurate information, stick to the government websites. The President's and the Transportation Ministry. The President also has a daily evening briefing on television and a weekly facebook live digest that is also broadcast on television.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2481848][URL]https://www.dinero.com/amp/vuelos-internacionales-colombia-cartagena-recibira-vuelos-el-21-de-septiembre/299396?fbclid=IwAR279hFni_qMOZxITLFFNN-q8a1_mdnXZW7MjOMTYCDGbbL5T5ZFCYagwU4[/URL]

No, I did not read every word. SJobs and others can do that, but here is the link.

I had an amazing trio with the Sex Goddess and Pinky on Saturday. It went exactly as I expected. It started with the girls being a bit stand-offish, SG making stupid little comments like how she didn't bring a bikini and I already know she doesn't like the jacuzzi (because that makes her like all the others), and other shit to not-so-subtly prove she has been over and knows me well. She asked Pinky's age in a way that demonstrated she was older, wiser, more mature, classy, blah blah blah. As we sat down for dinner, things loosened up, then more so when Pinky brought out a blunt for them to share. Pinky set her up with a bikini and we were off. SG was fucking hammering Pinky in the jacuzzi. It was no holds barred in the bedroom. Holy shit. SG was giving me beso negro as Pinky was going down on her, SG was punishing Pinky. It had been about 3-4 days since I blew my load, mostly because of the dental surgery, and going out to Lleras a couple nights. I blew a huge load on Pinky's ass. The contrast is amazing.[/QUOTE]

I've been out with webcam models who I matched with on Tinder. I've also been out with one, who I contacted through Instagram (yes, getting past the monitor is the challenge). I think that you wildly overstate the average income of a cam model. Sure, the top earners are earning great money. But most do not earn $500-$1000 per week. For example, on chaturbate right now, there are 18 pages of models who will do privates for 6 tokens per minute. They're sitting in their lonely studio with few users, eeking out a living, at best.

Hitting up a successful camgirl? Forget it. But there are many, many more girls on the cam sites who earn more from a couple hour date than from spending that time in the studio, splitting what little tokens come in, with the host and with the studio.

This is just my friendly take, after spending a year here, and learning from my GF who owned a studio for years, and flipping through all of her payroll records.

Camgirls in Medellin are a dime a dozen, and are on the table.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2481707]I guess it's been a few months since we've had this conversation.

The short answer is"No."

Yes, it is possible, but mostly you are going to be wasting your time and your money.

A Colombian webcam model who is supporting herself is taking home $500-$1000 per week or more. If she's successful, double that. Typically she's working 20-40 hours. That puts her income at 8-16 times minimum wage, up to 30 times minimum wage if she's successful. Why would she choose to spend an hour having sex with a complete stranger for the same amount as she makes during an hour on webcam?

There are other obstacles.

If she's working for a studio, and almost all of them are, she probably has a monitor. A monitor is someone who works for the studio who helps her. The monitor also reads all the chat, including PMs and tip notes. In many cases it's the monitor who is answering the PMs. You'll be trying to set up a date with a girl by talking to a guy whose job is to keep the girl from setting up dates..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Psychman;2481704]Remember this kind of kid on the playground?[/QUOTE]The kid who always go picked 1st or 2nd and did well in class, while acknowledging reality to those living in desperate delusion?

Yeah, I remember him!

This board doesn't need to be taken over by non stop moaning and crying from people who refuse to understand or accept the reality of what is happening on planet Earth. Lets get back to chica reviews and real informaiton about the scene and how the girls are operating that would be useful to people when Medellin is back to mostly normal a year from now. There will be future waves / spikes in cases and a lagging property / real estate drag on the economy that is yet to come and will effect the on the ground situation there. We're only 1/2 of the way through the main drag of the pandemic.

The best thing all of us can do to get this thing over with and get back to Medellin and having the fun we want --is to stay home, only go out with a mask on, wash / sanitize properly, and stop flying / traveling. This only continues because people are thinking short term immediate needs--and not longer term smart thoughts. We can kill this virus without vaccines if we really put some effort in.

Do you guys want to keep this nonsense going or get back to banging hotties around the world for inexpensive prices?

Quit bitching and moaning and cluttering up this space and pushing for some rushed flight plan that ignores science--and start using science to achieve success. Stay home, stay clean. Don't be a part of the problem.

The non stop desperate droning on about get a BJ in Medellin because you are lonely at home in the US, while ignoring science, policy and common sense--isn't helping anyone or anything.

Has all the complaining and desperate diatribes about creating some work around to subvert the system and get to Medellin actually gotten anyone anywhere? NO. It's just noise. Enough already. Time to man up, be patient-and help be a part of the solution. So all of us can get back to the lifestyle we want.

Thats all this kid on the playground is saying. This kid is trying to lead his team to victory. While appreciating and congratulating those who have put themselves in the position to have safe and fun times in Medellin now.

The less we cling to desperate delusions of undermining the system to get some action and the more we stick to chica reviews and supporting the things we all know we all need to do to get covid under control--the better for all of us.

Now, back to the topic this is supposed to be about:

I have had 3 girls message me recently asking if I could send them some help now, and claiming they will thank me upon my return to Medellin. I feel for them--but nobody EVER gets my money until AFTER we session. Not months before our next possible session LOL. Porn is free online. I don't need their pictures and videos. LOL. And while I feel for the desperation (its a theme around these parts) these girls are going through with less business for less money--I didn't create their problems-so I am not responsible for solving their problems!

Even when Medellin opens up to flights--the same thing will happen that happens everywhere: within a month the numbers spike, the airspace shuts and everything gets even more complicated. You can con or cheat around a virus--that's why Trump is failing so bad--he only knows how to con and cheat. Everyone be patient. You'll all get laid in Colombia next year. Its okay. You'l make it. Use this time to get healthier and more fit and save your dollars for the victory parade after vaccine distribution combined with other therapies and extra rapid -at home- insta-result testing that allows tracing and isolation happens next year--and this all gets mostly resolved. Until then--the magic word is patience!

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2481848][URL]https://www.dinero.com/amp/vuelos-internacionales-colombia-cartagena-recibira-vuelos-el-21-de-septiembre/299396?fbclid=IwAR279hFni_qMOZxITLFFNN-q8a1_mdnXZW7MjOMTYCDGbbL5T5ZFCYagwU4[/URL]

No, I did not read every word. SJobs and others can do that, but here is the link.

I had an amazing trio with the Sex Goddess and Pinky on Saturday. It went exactly as I expected. It started with the girls being a bit stand-offish, SG making stupid little comments like how she didn't bring a bikini and I already know she doesn't like the jacuzzi (because that makes her like all the others), and other shit to not-so-subtly prove she has been over and knows me well. She asked Pinky's age in a way that demonstrated she was older, wiser, more mature, classy, blah blah blah. As we sat down for dinner, things loosened up, then more so when Pinky brought out a blunt for them to share. Pinky set her up with a bikini and we were off. SG was fucking hammering Pinky in the jacuzzi. It was no holds barred in the bedroom. Holy shit. SG was giving me beso negro as Pinky was going down on her, SG was punishing Pinky. It had been about 3-4 days since I blew my load, mostly because of the dental surgery, and going out to Lleras a couple nights. I blew a huge load on Pinky's ass. The contrast is amazing. Anyway, long story short, it was fantastic. Pinky has a new favorite, which is perfect for me, because her past favorite was getting a belly from quarantine. She's cute, nice, and fun, but just not worth the 200-250k she wants to come hang out with Pinky and get banged once or twice. I think SG will be back again, soon, and maybe at the price of Uber-only, again.[/QUOTE]Thanks to you, The Tall Man and Pollo Negro for using this board as its intended and offering real knowledge and insight into what's happening on the ground in MDE. Its appreciated.

I agree with you on webcam models especially with chaturbate. I have known 3 Facebook girls that have tried this only to quit in a very short time. I'm sure there are some super models out there that make a living doing this but very very few do. Alot of times these girls can't even cover their transportation costs.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2481864]I've been out with webcam models who I matched with on Tinder. I've also been out with one, who I contacted through Instagram (yes, getting past the monitor is the challenge). I think that you wildly overstate the average income of a cam model. Sure, the top earners are earning great money. But most do not earn $500-$1000 per week. For example, on chaturbate right now, there are 18 pages of models who will do privates for 6 tokens per minute. They're sitting in their lonely studio with few users, eeking out a living, at best.

Hitting up a successful camgirl? Forget it. But there are many, many more girls on the cam sites who earn more from a couple hour date than from spending that time in the studio, splitting what little tokens come in, with the host and with the studio.

This is just my friendly take, after spending a year here, and learning from my GF who owned a studio for years, and flipping through all of her payroll records.

Camgirls in Medellin are a dime a dozen, and are on the table.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2481929]To you and to all others who commented variously this news, I hate to remind that having international flights connecting an airport is a necessary condition for foreigners to reach that country, but it is largely not sufficient.
The second necessary condition is that government regulations do allow foreigners to enter. We can only speculate when it will happen, but if we bet 10 bucks I would not bet that people from Europe or USA will be free to enter Colombia as tourists in 2020. Just 10 buck, ok?[/QUOTE]Sigh, why you would you speculate when the Colombian government has already announced the citizens of which countries they will let in? Hint: the USA was one of them.

Anyone want to bet him $10?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2481929]To you and to all others who commented variously this news, I hate to remind that having international flights connecting an airport is a necessary condition for foreigners to reach that country, but it is largely not sufficient.
The second necessary condition is that government regulations do allow foreigners to enter. We can only speculate when it will happen, but if we bet 10 bucks I would not bet that people from Europe or USA will be free to enter Colombia as tourists in 2020. Just 10 buck, ok?

You can have international flights resumed, still foreigners not allowed to enter unless for well documented reasons.
As an example, Singapore Changi has been connected to most world hubs and its international flights were resumed 2 or 3 months ago on a reduced schedule, but still no short-time visitors from almost any country are allowed to enter Singapore. The Minister said to forget it at least for the entire 2020. International flights have been resumed for Singapore citizens, for long-time pass holders, or for those others who have to go to Singapore for important business and for an extended period. Basically, only for "essential travel". Also, 2-week quarantine is enforced.
https://www.mfa.gov.sg/Services/Singapore-Citizens/COVID-19-Travel-Restrictions
https://www.ica.gov.sg/covid-19
https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/

We all hate continence, so at least we should exercise patience, the most important virtue to exercise for the next months.[/QUOTE]Hopefully your dead wrong that Colombia will be shutdown until next year to visitors. The reality is that the article stating that Cartagena was going to be open to International flights starting September 21st was just all fiction. In essence it was a proclamation by the Mayor of the City of Caratagena that the City would be ready to receive International passengers on that date, and nothing more.

You can't blame the mayor for wanting tourists and other travellers returning though. Everyone is so hell bent on returning, and rightly so, yet the final word will be when the President announces it.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2481738]It's really no different than the worker in Vegas that charges $800, [/QUOTE]I'm not criticizing the woman in Las Vegas that earns 800. I'm criticizing the woman in Las Vegas that charges 1600 For service that cost 800.

This post is for all the New forum members: All those in Colombia advise you not to go to the club Gustos. Where girls are charging Between 750,000 to 1,121,703. 00 pesos for service you can get for 300,000. Just the other day my friend got 1 of the hottest girls on seeking 3 hours for 300,000 +50,000 tip. And if you are not so picky choosy with the girls you can probably get a lower price at a brothel. If you're concerned about wages being too low than pay her more out of Righteousness, or kindness and generosity. Ask her to come back so she can double her wages. But don't get scammed. Think about this girl Pinky, She got she got 250000 and if that isn't enough she keeps coming back for more.

A scam is a scam no matter All the technicalities the scammer Has. The day all the girls start charging 1,000,000 is the day all the sexual tourist in the city Will choose another destination. This forum would not have 39,000 post and a lively community. So good luck with scaring your customers away. Think about New York pay $1500 per hour or take the bus into Canada Where you can pay 210 per hour.There's probably like 3 losers in all New York paying 1500 everyone else smarter than to let people scam them selves.

The standard rate as established by the market is 1 of the most important factors in the scientific process of negotiating. You can go above the standard or below the standard depending on the situation. But the standard exists and is very real, That being said a standard can subjectively understood as incorrect or uninformed.

What does Singapore have to do with this? Mexico is already open for US.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2481929]To you and to all others who commented variously this news, I hate to remind that having international flights connecting an airport is a necessary condition for foreigners to reach that country, but it is largely not sufficient.
The second necessary condition is that government regulations do allow foreigners to enter. We can only speculate when it will happen, but if we bet 10 bucks I would not bet that people from Europe or USA will be free to enter Colombia as tourists in 2020. Just 10 buck, ok?

You can have international flights resumed, still foreigners not allowed to enter unless for well documented reasons.
As an example, Singapore Changi has been connected to most world hubs and its international flights were resumed 2 or 3 months ago on a reduced schedule, but still no short-time visitors from almost any country are allowed to enter Singapore. The Minister said to forget it at least for the entire 2020. International flights have been resumed for Singapore citizens, for long-time pass holders, or for those others who have to go to Singapore for important business and for an extended period. Basically, only for "essential travel". Also, 2-week quarantine is enforced.
https://www.mfa.gov.sg/Services/Singapore-Citizens/COVID-19-Travel-Restrictions
https://www.ica.gov.sg/covid-19
https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/

We all hate continence, so at least we should exercise patience, the most important virtue to exercise for the next months.[/QUOTE]

If theres humanotarian flights scheduled for later this month there will not be international flights. But if there isn't then there will be international flights. Its this simple guys.

Blakman, forgive me for muddying the waters with this rhetorical question. Do you accept the possibility that humanitarian flights could be canceled and replaced by daily commercial service?

[QUOTE=Blakman;2481987]If theres humanotarian flights scheduled for later this month there will not be international flights. But if there isn't then there will be international flights. Its this simple guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2481926]I agree with you on webcam models especially with chaturbate. I have known 3 Facebook girls that have tried this only to quit in a very short time. I'm sure there are some super models out there that make a living doing this but very very few do. Alot of times these girls can't even cover their transportation costs..[/QUOTE]I guess I need to be more specific.

It's obvious some of you consider anyone who has ever broadcast on a webcam as a webcam model. In which case I'm a webcam model. Can we apply the same standard and say anyone who has taken a nude video of themselves is also a pornstar?

Go on any webcam site and you'll find pages full of girls with 5 or less viewers. Some of them will last a week or two, most disappear after a few days. If you're considering them webcam models, then absolutely, they're available. Or you can just go on Facebook, pick any girl and you've got about a 30% chance they're a webcam model, using the definition that they went on webcam at least once. You can get about the same percentage in the casas.

A webcam model, by my definition is someone who is either currently supporting herself solely through webcam earnings, or who has committed to solely working as a webcam model with the intention of supporting herself in that way. Once they reach the point where they are supporting themselves they will consistently have 60-100 viewers and will consistently receive 1000+ tokens per broadcast. That was always the threshold I used for models. That puts them at $250 per week. Below that level, a bad day, or missing a few days would usually cause the girl to get discouraged and quit.

Getting discouraged and giving up is always a big problem because it usually takes 6-8 weeks to get to that 1000 token level. It takes another 4-6 weeks to get to the 2000 tokens per show level. Most of the webcam models who are supporting themselves, at least that I know, pull between 2000-4000 tokens per show. 1000 tokens is $50 to the account. How much the model receives depends upon her agreement with the studio.

In addition, successful webcam models (those who can depend on at least 4000 tokens per show) will usually sell content, either on the camsite, or on sites such as fancentro or Onlyfans. There's also offline tips and fanclub memberships bringing in money. A successful Colombian webcam model can easily bring in $100 k annually. I know several who are doing it. These aren't the top models, just the ones who are doing well. Top models are pulling $40 k and up per month.

If you're regularly pulling dates with webcam models who are pulling in 4 k+ tokens per show, I'm going to ask for proof. I'm going to be skeptical if you tell me you're succeeding with girls earning 2-4 k tokens per show.

However, if you're going to call any girl who goes on webcam a webcam model, there's probably not a monger in Medellin who hasn't nailed half a dozen or more. I'm pretty sure I've bedded at least 20.

For reference, the reason I went to Medellin and stayed a year was to work with webcam studios. I shared an apartment with a successful webcam model, even briefly worked with a few top models.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2481981]What does Singapore have to do with this? Mexico is already open for US.[/QUOTE]You really do not understand? What is difficult here?

Singapore is an example, real example from real world, that [I]"having international flights connecting an airport is a necessary condition for foreigners to reach that country, but it is largely not sufficient.
The second necessary condition is that government regulations do allow foreigners to enter."[/I].

If I don't provide an example, someone may not understand what is a [I]necessary condition[/I] vs. A [I]sufficient condition[/I], because it's logic terminology.

So, one thing is having CTG conneected to MIA, another that regular tourist people from MIA is allowed to fly to CTG. See the examples of categories who are allowed to travel to SIN: really few ones. Yet, SIN is connected to Europe with daily flights.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2481968]Hopefully your dead wrong that Colombia will be shutdown until next year to visitors. [/QUOTE]I am happy to pay those $10. It was a way to trigger the Fate. I and othersr have a trip planned to Taiwan this Dec, nobody thinks it will be allowed, still let me dream I will fly there before Xmas, and at the same time pay you $10 because you fly to Colombia. I never hoped to lose a bet more than this time.

Humanitarian flights are scheduled in advance. Like 2 to 3 weeks. They are only scheduled based on international flights not being allowed. They are scheduled beginning and near the end of each month.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2481999]Blakman, forgive me for muddying the waters with this rhetorical question. Do you accept the possibility that humanitarian flights could be canceled and replaced by daily commercial service?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Frank11;2481973]I'm not criticizing the woman in Las Vegas that earns 800. I'm criticizing the woman in Las Vegas that charges 1600 For service that cost 800.

This post is for all the New forum members: All those in Colombia advise you not to go to the club Gustos. Where girls are charging Between 750,000 to 1,121,703. 00 pesos for service you can get for 300,000. Just the other day my friend got 1 of the hottest girls on seeking 3 hours for 300,000 +50,000 tip. And if you are not so picky choosy with the girls you can probably get a lower price at a brothel. If you're concerned about wages being too low than pay her more out of Righteousness, or kindness and generosity. Ask her to come back so she can double her wages. But don't get scammed. Think about this girl Pinky, She got she got 250000 and if that isn't enough she keeps coming back for more.

A scam is a scam no matter All the technicalities the scammer Has. The day all the girls start charging 1,000,000 is the day all the sexual tourist in the city Will choose another destination. This forum would not have 39,000 post and a lively community. So good luck with scaring your customers away. Think about New York pay $1500 per hour or take the bus into Canada Where you can pay 210 per hour.There's probably like 3 losers in all New York paying 1500 everyone else smarter than to let people scam them selves.

The standard rate as established by the market is 1 of the most important factors in the scientific process of negotiating. You can go above the standard or below the standard depending on the situation. But the standard exists and is very real, That being said a standard can subjectively understood as incorrect or uninformed.[/QUOTE]I really agree with most of what you say here. The only difference really is that I don't think the girl that gets a lot more in Gustos is necessarily a scammer. I agree that it's not the average rate for Medellin, but it may be the normal rate for that club (more or less) and if everyone is happy. No harm no foul. As for newbies, etc, sure it is great if they can read this forum and know the options. Sometimes the same chica will work in a casa during the day for 20 or 25 K per 40 minutes (her cut), will work Parque Lleras or Facebook or whatever for 200 K per session. And will then go up to Gustos and try for the 7-800 k.

I would always steer people away from Gustos by explaining all of that. But, its there as a tourist trap, or whatever, and the gal I know that works it occasionally is an opportunist, yes, but also basically honest and not what I would call a scammer (as far as I know) She will ask for the going rate wherever she is.

And interesting that you mention Canada. I'm looking in To. Lots. Rates range a lot from around the $200 per hour as you say, on the low end, but well in the high hundreds and sometimes over $1000 for "high end" girls. The agency rates are usually in the $200-$400 per hour range and there are lots of great ladies to choose from. Between agencies, independents, and massage places there are a few thousand on any given day.

My regular charges me $140. But being in Cartegena is more fun. Medellin overwhelmed me.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2482017]Humanitarian flights are scheduled in advance. Like 2 to 3 weeks. They are only scheduled based on international flights not being allowed. They are scheduled beginning and near the end of each month..[/QUOTE]X.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2481973]I'm not criticizing the woman in Las Vegas that earns 800. I'm criticizing the woman in Las Vegas that charges 1600 For service that cost 800.

This post is for all the New forum members: All those in Colombia advise you not to go to the club Gustos. Where girls are charging Between 750,000 to 1,121,703. 00 pesos for service you can get for 300,000. Just the other day my friend got 1 of the hottest girls on seeking 3 hours for 300,000 +50,000 tip. And if you are not so picky choosy with the girls you can probably get a lower price at a brothel. If you're concerned about wages being too low than pay her more out of Righteousness, or kindness and generosity. Ask her to come back so she can double her wages. But don't get scammed. Think about this girl Pinky, She got she got 250000 and if that isn't enough she keeps coming back for more.

A scam is a scam no matter All the technicalities the scammer Has. The day all the girls start charging 1,000,000 is the day all the sexual tourist in the city Will choose another destination. This forum would not have 39,000 post and a lively community. So good luck with scaring your customers away. Think about New York pay $1500 per hour or take the bus into Canada Where you can pay 210 per hour.There's probably like 3 losers in all New York paying 1500 everyone else smarter than to let people scam them selves.

The standard rate as established by the market is 1 of the most important factors in the scientific process of negotiating. You can go above the standard or below the standard depending on the situation. But the standard exists and is very real, That being said a standard can subjectively understood as incorrect or uninformed.[/QUOTE]The girls are doing the same thing most mongers do for opposite reason. Mongers go to Medellin to spend less and girls go to Gustos to get more. IMO, if the girls are scammers, so are the mongers. Based on this, can I say Gustos is a win win for both?

One other post mentioned Gustos mongers are suckers. It has been observed here before, aren't all mongers who spend money in Parque Lleras or renting apartment in El Poblado suckers too. A beer in a club or bar only cost around 5 mils in El Centro so everyone who pay twice that can be considered a sucker.

Blakman,

Yes, I agree that those are the details of humanitarian flight scheduling, but that is not what I asked. My question was whether you accept the possibility that those flights, however and whenever they are scheduled, are subject to change, cancellation, and replacement by normal commercial service. Rather than just restate the question I will explain it further. Since no date to resume international commercial flights has been officially announced or confirmed, can you accept the possibility that the service could resume on a date that precedes or coincides with the date of a previously scheduled humanitarian flight? In other words, the existence of a scheduled humanitarian flight does not exclude the possibility of international service resuming.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2482017]Humanitarian flights are scheduled in advance. Like 2 to 3 weeks. They are only scheduled based on international flights not being allowed. They are scheduled beginning and near the end of each month.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frank11;2481973]I'm not criticizing the woman in Las Vegas that earns 800. I'm criticizing the woman in Las Vegas that charges 1600 For service that cost 800.

This post is for all the New forum members: All those in Colombia advise you not to go to the club Gustos. Where girls are charging Between 750,000 to 1,121,703. 00 pesos for service you can get for 300,000. Just the other day my friend got 1 of the hottest girls on seeking 3 hours for 300,000 +50,000 tip. And if you are not so picky choosy with the girls you can probably get a lower price at a brothel. If you're concerned about wages being too low than pay her more out of Righteousness, or kindness and generosity. Ask her to come back so she can double her wages. But don't get scammed. Think about this girl Pinky, She got she got 250000 and if that isn't enough she keeps coming back for more..[/QUOTE]The price of an item depends on where it is bought. The same beer sells for different prices in different locations such as corner store, supermarket, restaurant, bar, sport stadium. The same girl might charge different prices in different locations. Similarly, the same guy may pay different prices in different locations. Just because I pay usd 50 per night in Medellin doesn't mean I get to pay it in New York City. It is probably more like usd 4000.

Everyone has a financial calculation, both the buyer and seller. As long as they are happy with what they are paying or charging, that is their right price. For example, if I have to get laid one time, for an hour, I would just pay the $500 per hour where I live and be done with it. Medellin in that case is not a better deal, as the flight and hotel costs add up to $1000 or more, plus time off from work. If it's a week or longer trip, Medellin is a great value for me. Door to door, I have spent about $3000 for the trip, including buying dinner at good places for the girls, paying for hair and nails, or buying them outfits etc. Where I am, I could end up spending more than that for an overnight. The stuff I buy them is mostly want I volunteer to buy, not them asking for it.

So everyone's situation and price point is different. There is no right answer. If you can afford it and it is convenient for you, that is your right price. There is no, one size fits all. I have friends that blow usd 1000 in Fase Dos. These are the same guys that spend 20 grand in one night partying in the US. It's not for me, and I can afford it, they can afford it and they spend it.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2482032]I really agree with most of what you say here. The only difference really is that I don't think the girl that gets a lot more in Gustos is necessarily a scammer. I agree that it's not the average rate for Medellin, but it may be the normal rate for that club (more or less) and if everyone is happy. No harm no foul. As for newbies, etc, sure it is great if they can read this forum and know the options. Sometimes the same chica will work in a casa during the day for 20 or 25 K per 40 minutes (her cut), will work Parque Lleras or Facebook or whatever for 200 K per session. And will then go up to Gustos and try for the 7-800 k.

I would always steer people away from Gustos by explaining all of that. But, its there as a tourist trap, or whatever, and the gal I know that works it occasionally is an opportunist, yes, but also basically honest and not what I would call a scammer (as far as I know) She will ask for the going rate wherever she is.

And interesting that you mention Canada. I'm looking in To. Lots. Rates range a lot from around the $200 per hour as you say, on the low end, but well in the high hundreds and sometimes over $1000 for "high end" girls. The agency rates are usually in the $200-$400 per hour range and there are lots of great ladies to choose from. Between agencies, independents, and massage places there are a few thousand on any given day.[/QUOTE]Whether a girl asks for 250 k or $2500, in what way is that a scam? All she's done is thrown out a price. It might be a ridiculous price, but it doesn't cost you anything.

If some guy accepts her price, as long as she provides the agreed service, it's not a scam. He overpaid, but he got what he paid for.

In what universe is every provider of every service obligated to limit their rates to those chosen by the consumer? Someone please give me directions because I want to insist that the price for all new cars is $1000.

The local market rate doesn't preclude some girls from charging more, or less. There are guys getting TLN for cab fare. Should we insist Slapshot pay each overnight girl 300 k because that's the local rate?

What's next? Accusation that I cannot handle the truth LOL. It's not that serious to right or wrong. Knowledge.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2481999]Blakman, forgive me for muddying the waters with this rhetorical question. Do you accept the possibility that humanitarian flights could be canceled and replaced by daily commercial service?[/QUOTE].

Andrés Uribe, regional manager of IATA in Colombia, said today that the Colombian authorities would allow international travel from three cities: Cartagena, Cali, and Medellin. If this happens, Bogota would be left behind at the beginning. Uribe said that nothing is confirmed yet, so the shortlisted cities could change before 21 September.

Hahaha, Blakman, isn't true that on several afternoons during the past 4 months you ventured into the Plaza Botero? I remind you that you are under oath.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2482187]What's next? Accusation that I cannot handle the truth LOL. It's not that serious to right or wrong. Knowledge..[/QUOTE]

Good post this one, factual with attribution.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2482189]Andrs Uribe, regional manager of IATA in Colombia, said today that the Colombian authorities would allow international travel from three cities: Cartagena, Cali, and Medellin. If this happens, Bogota would be left behind at the beginning. Uribe said that nothing is confirmed yet, so the shortlisted cities could change before 21 September.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2482008]I guess I need to be more specific.

It's obvious some of you consider anyone who has ever broadcast on a webcam as a webcam model. In which case I'm a webcam model. Can we apply the same standard and say anyone who has taken a nude video of themselves is also a pornstar?

Go on any webcam site and you'll find pages full of girls with 5 or less viewers. Some of them will last a week or two, most disappear after a few days. If you're considering them webcam models, then absolutely, they're available. Or you can just go on Facebook, pick any girl and you've got about a 30% chance they're a webcam model, using the definition that they went on webcam at least once. You can get about the same percentage in the casas.

A webcam model, by my definition is someone who is either currently supporting herself solely through webcam earnings, or who has committed to solely working as a webcam model with the intention of supporting herself in that way. Once they reach the point where they are supporting themselves they will consistently have 60-100 viewers and will consistently receive 1000+ tokens per broadcast. That was always the threshold I used for models. That puts them at $250 per week. Below that level, a bad day, or missing a few days would usually cause the girl to get discouraged and quit...[/QUOTE]Some of you buy into all this shit, be they webcam models or a glue sniffer from centro and anything in between they are all putas, my gawd people place these webcam models who masturbate in front of a camera for anyone to see and jack off with as a goddess.

And WTF needing to define what a true webcam model is, just fuck them in the ass as you pull their hair and yell "who's your daddy"! Hehehe.

Much love and respect to all but just please call it for what it is.

The Tall Man.

I entertain centro 4 times max and no longer than 45 minutes. I did.

Get a number from a nice body negra and had sex with her 4 times at my apartment. Also I did see a mileroticos girl that I encountered at my apartment surprisingly on the centro strip. But in no way will I say I am comfortable in centro. I didn't get to see the strip clubs. I confess I am interested in that just out of curiosity. I like the food and fruits as well. Any more questions Mr. Mason LOL.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2482190]Hahaha, Blakman, isn't true that on several afternoons during the past 4 months you ventured into the Plaza Botero? I remind you that you are under oath.[/QUOTE].

Okay guys I read through all your claim statements arguments and accusations Concerning the "not a scam" situation.

As a reply going to pull out this here guitar and strum a little song for you all.

I'm going to strum hard but my elbow hurts from last night's masturbation session.

"Michelle my bell these are words that go together well. My Michelle. I love you I love you I love you. I want to hold your hand.I hope you understand."

Bravo. Thanks for the applause next time I will play rocky raccoon.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2482008]I guess I need to be more specific.[/QUOTE]You have a very exclusive perspective of things. Camgirls are bangable.

Wondering if gringos are going to try to be selling their apartments now, that they have realized they can't use them? Would prices be lower now? May be a buying opportunity.

A lot of what you said makes sense, and I can see why it would be difficult. I don't understand the webcam industry very well, and was hoping it was more similar to Phils.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2481707]I guess it's been a few months since we've had this conversation.

The short answer is"No."

Yes, it is possible, but mostly you are going to be wasting your time and your money.

A Colombian webcam model who is supporting herself is taking home $500-$1000 per week or more. If she's successful, double that. Typically she's working 20-40 hours. That puts her income at 8-16 times minimum wage, up to 30 times minimum wage if she's successful. Why would she choose to spend an hour having sex with a complete stranger for the same amount as she makes during an hour on webcam?

There are other obstacles.

If she's working for a studio, and almost all of them are, she probably has a monitor. A monitor is someone who works for the studio who helps her. The monitor also reads all the chat, including PMs and tip notes. In many cases it's the monitor who is answering the PMs. You'll be trying to set up a date with a girl by talking to a guy whose job is to keep the girl from setting up dates.[/QUOTE]

I'm probably mostly looking at the girls in the middle of this range. The ones I constantly see on the cam sites charging $1.49 a minute for private, but are not all that busy by any mean. I don't think they're making all that much money, but they've stuck around long enough that they must be making enough to either live on, or supplement their normal job. I was hoping this type of girl would be open to meeting clients in person.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2482008]I guess I need to be more specific.

It's obvious some of you consider anyone who has ever broadcast on a webcam as a webcam model. In which case I'm a webcam model. Can we apply the same standard and say anyone who has taken a nude video of themselves is also a pornstar?

Go on any webcam site and you'll find pages full of girls with 5 or less viewers. Some of them will last a week or two, most disappear after a few days. If you're considering them webcam models, then absolutely, they're available. Or you can just go on Facebook, pick any girl and you've got about a 30% chance they're a webcam model, using the definition that they went on webcam at least once. You can get about the same percentage in the casas.

A webcam model, by my definition is someone who is either currently supporting herself solely through webcam earnings, or who has committed to solely working as a webcam model with the intention of supporting herself in that way. Once they reach the point where they are supporting themselves they will consistently have 60-100 viewers and will consistently receive 1000+ tokens per broadcast. That was always the threshold I used for models. That puts them at $250 per week. Below that level, a bad day, or missing a few days would usually cause the girl to get discouraged and quit..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2482008]I guess I need to be more specific.


That was always the threshold I used for models. That puts them at $250 per week. Below that level, a bad day, or missing a few days would usually cause the girl to get discouraged and quit.

Getting discouraged and giving up is always a big problem because it usually takes 6-8 weeks to get to that 1000 token level. It takes another 4-6 weeks to get to the 2000 tokens per show level. Most of the webcam models who are supporting themselves, at least that I know, pull between 2000-4000 tokens per show. 1000 tokens is $50 to the account. How much the model receives depends upon her agreement with the studio.
[/QUOTE]JjBee62 I am not arguing with your specifics about webcam models in general but I have been told that in some cases these girls do not work for themselves at all and barely see any money that comes in as tokens. I was told by a couple of chicas that I spent time with in Medellin that the street gang / criminal organization LOS Pachelly has warehouses that they have split into cubicles that they fix up to look like bedrooms and they basically allow homeless chicas to live their in exchange for working lso many hours a day on camera and then they give them some money for clothes and food for themselves and their baby since many are single mothers.

I had a cita with one chica in this situation but she did not want to go into too much detail about the situation, she just said that it had given her and her baby a place to live. I got learned more info because I was looking for a certain chica that I had talked to on FB but lost contact with her, I originally saw her profile on another chica's friend list so I just sent her a message on messenger to see if she was interested in citas with gringos. She replied positively and eventually the conversation went to her not being able to reply to my questions promptly because she was currently working being a webcam model, I wanted to see this for myself so I had her give me the info and pulled it up on the computer, through FB messenger I asked her make two thumbs up as she shook her titties so I could confirm that I was really talking to the same girl that was on camera.

What I did not do was actually send her a friend request and then by the time I was in Medellin and went to contact her I could not even find her profile, or the FB messenger conversation that we had. This girl was gorgeous for my taste and had a phenomenal body so I wanted to try to track her down. I only had the website and some screenshots that I had taken of her while watching her webcam. I ask the one webcam girl that I had a cita with if she recognized her and she did not. She said the gangs run probably at least a hundred of these chicas and they even have them catering to various regions in the world. For example the chica I had the cita with was called Greta something -in-german and she was exclusive to the German speaking regions. I never tracked down that webcam chica that I had talked to on FB.

I can only tell you that quite a few FB girls that session for 150 k have tried chaturbate. Some do ok by Colombian standards like maybe make 100 to 150 k for the day. But what happens is that viewers tend to look for fresh talent and the girls wind up quitting due to lack of viewers. They wind up back in the FB scene or in parque lleras they can be found

[QUOTE=Hexzor;2482310]I'm probably mostly looking at the girls in the middle of this range. The ones I constantly see on the cam sites charging $1.49 a minute for private, but are not all that busy by any mean. I don't think they're making all that much money, but they've stuck around long enough that they must be making enough to either live on, or supplement their normal job. I was hoping this type of girl would be open to meeting clients in person.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2482226]Some of you buy into all this shit, be they webcam models or a glue sniffer from centro and anything in between they are all putas, my gawd people place these webcam models who masturbate in front of a camera for anyone to see and jack off with as a goddess.

And WTF needing to define what a true webcam model is, just fuck them in the ass as you pull their hair and yell "who's your daddy"! Hehehe.

Much love and respect to all but just please call it for what it is.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]The original question was should the guy invest time trying to hook up with webcam models. I answered that.

However, I then got the expected responses from guys who have been with girls who had been on webcam. At that point it's important, for the guy wondering if he should be trying to hook up with webcam models, to define the different levels of webcam modeling.

There are certain girls you can find on webcam, or elsewhere, who at one time were on webcam that are available to fuck. There are other girls on webcam, who might be available to fuck, but you'll waste a huge amount of time and money to find out. There are other girls on webcam who are not available to anyone for any price.

Now, I could just stick my head in the sand and ignore these facts and let the guy waste $20 k over the next 6 months trying to figure out how to get his favorite webcam model to fuck him, or I can tell him the truth and point him where he is guaranteed success for a lot less money.

I don't put webcam models on pedestals. I can and have sat down to lunch with models earning high 6 figures and talk about cats or the best place to eat in Illinois. I simply recognize the reality that webcam model does not automatically equal prepago.

However, since they are all putas, according to you, and you're in Medellin, I'll give you a challenge. I'll give you the name of a webcam model in Medellin. You can contact her either through her Twitter, or through her webcam on MyFreeCams. While she's quite a few years past 18, she's still attractive, in good shape and is a popular webcam model. All you have to do is convince her to have sex with you for money. If you succeed, with evidence, I'll happily send you $1,000. I'm going to ask 2 reputable members here to back me up on this. Villiany and Zeos, will you stand witness that I've agreed to pay The Tall Man $1000 if he completes my challenge?

You can find her on MyFreeCams as Florabella or on Twitter as FloraCamGirl.

Contrary to the garbage too many people want to spread, not every woman in Colombia is a puta. Not every webcam model, waitress or store clerk. Just like every other country in the world, some women are selling pussy and some aren't. And unless you realize that, you're going to waste a lot of time and money, not to mention put yourself in many difficult and potentially dangerous situations.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2482296]You have a very exclusive perspective of things. Camgirls are bangable.[/QUOTE]I'll make you the same challenge I made TTM. Here's your chance to prove your claim and make an easy $1000. You'll find all the necessary information in my reply to him.

Some camgirls are bangable. Some waitresses are bangable. Some store clerks are bangable. Some guys wives are bangable.

Some does not equal all.

Tell you what, roll around to Juan Bustos' office. A few quick searches will provide you with the address. Ask to see Juan. If he's not around, ask to talk to his cousin Oscar. If you can't talk to Oscar, ask to talk to Mateo. Whichever one you get in front of, ask them which of their models are available for sex and what the going rate is. The reply should be quite educational.

These girl do not make such money, it's typical to brag to make the " profession" more glamourous!

Anybody else see the news that international travel to resume on 9/21 for selected countries? Can't copy and paste the article it is on simplyfly.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2481999]Blakman, forgive me for muddying the waters with this rhetorical question. Do you accept the possibility that humanitarian flights could be canceled and replaced by daily commercial service?[/QUOTE]No.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2482042]Blakman,

Yes, I agree that those are the details of humanitarian flight scheduling, but that is not what I asked. My question was whether you accept the possibility that those flights, however and whenever they are scheduled, are subject to change, cancellation, and replacement by normal commercial service. Rather than just restate the question I will explain it further. Since no date to resume international commercial flights has been officially announced or confirmed, can you accept the possibility that the service could resume on a date that precedes or coincides with the date of a previously scheduled humanitarian flight? In other words, the existence of a scheduled humanitarian flight does not exclude the possibility of international service resuming.[/QUOTE]No.

Blakman refuses to understand the purpose of humanitarian flights vs commercial / tourism flights. Thus, he is stuck on only focusing on the SCHEDULE of future humanitarian flights. Some one needs to log these flights, so when the first commercial flight happens, we can show him there was, indeed, a minimum of one humanitarian flight cancelled. The humanitarian flights are the sole responsibility of a foreign government, and do not adhere to the same regulations. Avianca is not going to give one shit about Spirit's humanitarian flight, when they get approval to open commercial travel. Similarly, the powers that be will not be choosing a day to open international travel based on a single country's humanitarian flight schedule. I, for one, have a splitting headache from banging my face on my keyboard, regarding this topic.

Anyway, fresh off the amazing trio that cost less than 250k for Pinky & SG + Ubers (ok, in fairness, let's do a legit tally: bottle of wine, 3 Smirnoff Ice, two bikinis at maybe 120k total, 3 steaks, potatoes... Should I include my bluetooth speaker? Spotify Premium? Daily rent?) Ok so you get the point. I talked to my buddy in Las Vegas, who was in a hotel on the strip. Labor Day Weekend. He tells me a hilarious story about a fight with his wife, so he takes off. He's blacked out by 5p. He awakes at 1 a and decides to cruise the casino. He finds a young lady on the clock, and they're off. He ends up paying her via Venmo, for some terribly stupid reason (probably because he didn't have enough cash on him and didn't want to go back downstairs). He is asking me how to 1) delete the receipt on his account, and 2) delete the message she left on his Venmo page, "hey hun couldn't get back up to the room wtf here's my number xxxxxxxxx" So, the best part, for me, is that he says he paid $500 USD. One of my other buddies looks up the phone number, and sends pics from some ad. This chick's ad says something like, "Hot new Latina in town" and has some photos. Holy fuck. If this chick was working in Conejitos, I would go take a fake piss while she was on stage. I've seen some photos of similar girls, on this forum, but the price for those girls is maybe $10 USD.

In short, it just made me giggle inside and have one of those Tall Man moments. Happy to be alive in Medellin in 2020.

Pinky is back home for a few days to surprise her family. Coin Slot randomly messaged me to ask when we were going to see each other. I said I don't know and I think she gave up. I asked 6p and didn't get a response. I just realized that I've been here over 6 months. I'm wondering how long it took the guys that live here full-time to really comprehend they are living in an entirely different world. I got mad the other night because a beer was 9k. I almost had to laugh at myself, after. It would be fun to sit down one night and compare what you could buy in Medellin vs USA. I also didn't realize September was the month of love & friendship, here, and that Sep 19 is Valentine's Day. Just a shout for those that are here and may not have known, like me.

Anyone know where I could buy a small BBQ? I'm thinking something in between a George Foreman and a full-size stand-alone charcoal grille.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Hexzor;2482310]I'm probably mostly looking at the girls in the middle of this range. The ones I constantly see on the cam sites charging $1.49 a minute for private, but are not all that busy by any mean. I don't think they're making all that much money, but they've stuck around long enough that they must be making enough to either live on, or supplement their normal job. I was hoping this type of girl would be open to meeting clients in person.[/QUOTE]All I can tell you is "maybe. " But I can guarantee you'll spend a lot of minutes at $1. 49 per minute, finding out if that maybe can be turned to a "yes. ".

Go to Chaturbate. Check out i_am_melisa.

She's a long time working girl who is now trying to make it on webcam. She'll be available.

[URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/noticias/fronteras-de-colombia-permaneceran-cerradas-hasta-el-proximo-01-de-octubre[/URL]

Nicely done, finally we see a meaningful link posted on this subject. This after dozens or more QAnon style nonsense links. Better late than never.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2482343][URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/noticias/fronteras-de-colombia-permaneceran-cerradas-hasta-el-proximo-01-de-octubre[/URL][/QUOTE]

This short notice is in regards to crossings by land, sea or river. There is no mention of air travel

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2482343][URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/noticias/fronteras-de-colombia-permaneceran-cerradas-hasta-el-proximo-01-de-octubre[/URL][/QUOTE].

Just my two cents and experiences with webcam girls. I'll start off that I am verified as a broadcaster on Chaturbate and know the ins and out quite well. I have a lot of friends (not Colombian) on there that I talk to both on and off the site, not trying to brag just trying to state credibility.

A lot of what has been said here is true regarding weather or not a cam girl will accept dates. Some will most won't. Any of the popular girls are not going to accept a date unless you drop huge money and then it's not guaranteed. If your looking to date a girl that is on cam, look for a girl that has less then 10 viewers regularly, sweet talk them, don't need to tip a lot and tell them you'd like to take them on a date when you get to Medellin. Either offer your whatsapp or ask for hers, sometimes she'll try and sell it to you, when that happens I decline and leave but sometimes you'll get the number.

It's worked for me about 60% and that's with tipping no more than 2 or 3 dollars. Hell I've even become friends with two of them and was talking about arepa recipes with one on whatsapp just before writing this. So I guess what I'm saying is if you see a cam girl that you like start talking in PM and ask her number, simple as that.

I checked out i_am_mellisa as per JjBee62 and as of right now she has been working for 4. 8 hours, has 5 viewers and is playing on her phone. Don't know how many tokens she's made but like JjBee62 said, she's probably available.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2482340]No.


Anyone know where I could buy a small BBQ? I'm thinking something in between a George Foreman and a full-size stand-alone charcoal grille.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Homecenter should have what your looking for.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2482340]No. I just realized that I've been here over 6 months. I'm wondering how long it took the guys that live here full-time to really comprehend they are living in an entirely different world. I got mad the other night because a beer was 9k. I almost had to laugh at myself, after. It would be fun to sit down one night and compare what you could buy in Medellin vs USA. I also didn't realize September was the month of love & friendship, here, and that Sep 19 is Valentine's Day. Just a shout for those that are here and may not have known, like me.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Bro,

Glad you are enjoying heaven, nice report as always. It took me about 4 months living in Medellin to come to terms with this unbelievable reality. Medellin is 70% cheaper than Brazil but 90% as good. When I was there, I spend about 1500 dollars a week on pussies, I still do that in California, but 1. 5 grand here only get me 4 different girls a week, all in their late 20's. In Medellin I normally have 3-4 different 18-year-olds a day almost every single day. Fuck, I regret coming back two weeks before this China virus lockdown.

There is an overwhelmingly large amount of evidence indicating that Cartagena will open for international flights on 9/21. I brought three tickets on 9/21.9/23, and 9/25 from Florida to Cartagena. I will fly to Florida on 9/20, check into a nice hotel, if I can't make it over after the 25th, I will buy one ticket a day until I get through. For those people who like to give up on things easily, this is what dedication is all about.

Hopefully soon I can start sharing details of barebacking three 18-year-olds while swimming in tussi land.

[QUOTE=CallMeBill;2482339]Anybody else see the news that international travel to resume on 9/21 for selected countries? Can't copy and paste the article it is on simplyfly.[/QUOTE]This has been confirmed by all major medias in Colombia, the mayor of Cartagena, and the official twitter account of Cartagena airport.

[URL]https://twitter.com/NoticiasRCN/status/1303133345358979072?s=20[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dinero.com/pais/articulo/vuelos-internacionales-colombia-cartagena-recibira-vuelos-el-21-de-septiembre/299396[/URL]

[URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/el-21-de-septiembre-se-reanudan-los-vuelos-internacionales-en-cartagena[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bluradio.com/salud/se-reactivan-vuelos-internacionales-en-cartagena-desde-el-21-de-septiembre-alcalde-dau-crbe-264925-ie5134696[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/aeroctg?lang=en[/URL]

The facts are overwhelming. I understand the education level of the BMs varies quite a bit, I can't expect everyone to have dual masters degrees from MIT or a phd, which is most of my employees in real life. Groundless assertion such as "you are not going to make it over until mid next year" is bound originate from less uneducated mongers who are not use to making rational decisions base on the best information available.

Pack your bags, Colombia will open very soon.

There is a wide range of cam girls, and they are not all putas. Without elevating them on a pedestal or denigrating them, most of them would not meet up with an online stranger to have sex. Contractually, they are prohibited from doing so by the Web site but of course that does not stop everyone. A few of them look at it as a direct way to hook up for money, but most of them look at it as a safe way to make money using their bodies without ever having to touch a smelly Gringo. You can't lump them all into a single category. To a cam girl, a puta is someone who sells sex on the streets for money, or to support a drug habit. In fact, one of my favorite cam girls does not do nudity. I have talked more than one cam girl into coming directly to my hotel at the end of her shift. Another active cam girl I have been Wassapping more than a year and she has made it clear we will never get together, but we have some great conversations and she sends some nice fotos. Kinda like life, there are all different shades and kinds of cam girls. I have fucked many and forgotten about the ones who did not want to proceed and moved onto the next. If the girl says she doesn't want to fuck, and you don't want only an on-line relationship, move on. There are so many to choose from. I recently stopped going online to look at cam girls because my list of new hook-ups has gotten too long to be manageable and realistic when I return to Medellin. I have never been "ghosted" by one of these girls yet, mainly because I believe by the time we agree to meet, it's past the point of doubt. But my Gringo acquaintances have all been ghosted or the girl meets and wants money but no sex. So, your selection process and criteria do matter.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2482008]In addition, successful webcam models (those who can depend on at least 4000 tokens per show) will usually sell content, either on the camsite, or on sites such as fancentro or Onlyfans. There's also offline tips and fanclub memberships bringing in money. A successful Colombian webcam model can easily bring in $100 k annually. I know several who are doing it. These aren't the top models, just the ones who are doing well. Top models are pulling $40 k and up per month.

For reference, the reason I went to Medellin and stayed a year was to work with webcam studios. I shared an apartment with a successful webcam model, even briefly worked with a few top models.[/QUOTE]I am not trying to be contrary with you like I was with Corona, and I am sorry what happened to you with your health, but there is no way. Top end American hookers are not pulling in $100 k. Neither are dancers at the highest end clubs in the big cities. They used to, but no one is now. If there was that much money in webcams, these American women would be doing it.

This is the byline of my Vennie SB here in Mexico:

Miss Teen Venezuela World Star Model.

Miss Venezuela Caribbean international.

Modelo en la fashion week cartagena Colombia.

Actriz principal obra de teatro "PLAN b" - Venezuela.

Modelo e imagen de diversas marcas Rolex-World Golf Championships (Mexico), Nike (Chile), FOREVER21 (panama), Chilevision (Chile), CMB (consejo mundial de boxeo), Porshe (Panama), F1 (Gran premio de mexico 2017) entre muchas otras.

She also has 200,000 Instagram followers. I even offered to buy her more, and she refused. She only wants legit followers. She has an only fans page, and it has been a bust as most are. Why pay for photos or masturbation when you can download that and other porn so easily for free?

Honestly, I looked at the women on chaturbate and on free cams, and there were few if any in her class looks wise, and she has professionally acted before. When I mention things like webcams, and I heard there was all this money in Instagram, and I talk to hot women, they shoot it down.

They all have all told me the same thing. Whenever you see a hot women in a resort or expensive destination, and she does not have a job or show a guy, she has a sugar daddy paying for it. Time and again, I have been told the only real money for women is in fucking.

I read all about money in Instagram, and the women rolled their eyes at me. I am sure they would do likewise if I mentioned webcams.

I do not buy it all that some women will masturbate on webcams and not take money for sex. Maybe they are fearful of doing so, but if they are doing that, the idea that morally they will not take money for sex is crazy. It may take some desperation, but if the money is right, and they feel safe, they will do it.

I cannot tell you how many "good girls" my sugar babies brought to my place once they told their friends told it was safe and they would get paid. If it is safe, they get paid, and they are not shamed for it, most women who are suffering financially will be down to fuck for $$$ let alone ones that are web cam models.

This is a big step town international travel to Colombia. Looks like late October is a safe bet.

I'd like the exact coordinates for New Life Spa / Sala. Its been years since I was there, perhaps they have moved since. Would like to investigate again. Also any other recommended Salas open right now. I have a few that I know well in centro and El Palo. But, possibly there are upgrades I don't currently know. Respond here or pm Thanks.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2482543]I'd like the exact coordinates for New Life Spa / Sala. Its been years since I was there, perhaps they have moved since. Would like to investigate again. Also any other recommended Salas open right now. I have a few that I know well in centro and El Palo. But, possibly there are upgrades I don't currently know. Respond here or pm Thanks.[/QUOTE]Heard from another site New Life is gone. Even the painter door is gone too.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2482548]Heard from another site New Life is gone. Even the painter door is gone too.[/QUOTE]Ah. The blue painted door?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2482517] Top end American hookers are not pulling in $100 k[/QUOTE]I think they do but it probably depends on the location. Many years ago when the engineering consulting rate was still in the $100 range. The hooker was about $300. Occasionally, I can see a huge pile of used towels in the incall hotel room. A towel is $300. Do the math and you can estimate the annual income. They also talked about how much they spent on hotel a year. This is not the top tier. The top tier was charging $600 and up in the best hotel. Think about it, if they are not confident of getting client, why would they spend $500 and more getting the room first? I help with occasional hirings in several countries for the companies I work with so I am somewhat familiar with the going rate, especially US. It is much higher now so I think girls (if you can find them) probably are charging more too.

Once I had a couple visiting me in US from oversea. They wanted to buy a US $25 K bag but the store wouldn't sell to them because they have not established a relationship with the brand / store. I remembered another friend who frequently negotiates with girls using gift like the name brand bag as part of the payment. He bought a lot of bags over the years so I called him up and my friend was able to buy the bag. This guy likes to date well known internet influencers. He spends a lot of time, sometimes like over one or two years, pursuing and negotiating. It was not easy. I never really know or ask how much he paid but I heard him joking about how a girl rejected his offer from time to time so I have some idea.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2482517]I am not trying to be contrary with you like I was with Corona, and I am sorry what happened to you with your health, but there is no way. Top end American hookers are not pulling in $100 k. Neither are dancers at the highest end clubs in the big cities. They used to, but no one is now. If there was that much money in webcams, these American women would be doing it.

I read all about money in Instagram, and the women rolled their eyes at me. I am sure they would do likewise if I mentioned webcams.[/QUOTE]Top end is DEFINITELY pulling in over 100 K with ease.

A friend of mine who I sleep / travel with sometimes has been stripping for about 6 months now. Not a high end club and NY based but not in the city. She makes $400-800 a night, every night. She works 4-5 nights a week. She has onlyfans and is honestly not very good at it, doesn't have professionally done content, doesn't update enough etc. She still makes $1. 5-2 K a month in subscriptions barely doing anything. The top end of OnlyFans are making 7 figures a month. A MONTH.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482434]I understand the education level of the BMs varies quite a bit, I can't expect everyone to have dual masters degrees from MIT or a phd, which is most of my employees in real life.[/QUOTE]I'll add that grandiosity isn't going to get you there any sooner either. LOL When the way is clear, the way will be clear and we'll all know about it. Just jerk off in the meantime and someone will be selling you some poontang soon enough.

Are there any other apps in Colombia like seeking with hot Escort girls looking for Money?

Oh, OK, I'm glad that's settled now.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2482531]This is a big step town international travel to Colombia. Looks like late October is a safe bet.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sorry to be Debbie Downer but do you have even one link from a government source, preferably one who could authorize what you appear to believe has already been authorized? None are in your post.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482434]This has been confirmed by all major medias in Colombia, the mayor of Cartagena, and the official twitter account of Cartagena airport.

[URL]https://twitter.com/NoticiasRCN/status/1303133345358979072?s=20[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dinero.com/pais/articulo/vuelos-internacionales-colombia-cartagena-recibira-vuelos-el-21-de-septiembre/299396[/URL]

[URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/el-21-de-septiembre-se-reanudan-los-vuelos-internacionales-en-cartagena[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bluradio.com/salud/se-reactivan-vuelos-internacionales-en-cartagena-desde-el-21-de-septiembre-alcalde-dau-crbe-264925-ie5134696[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/aeroctg?lang=en[/URL].[/QUOTE]

Have you seen the following WebCam model: chaturbate kamilablonde_ ? Is anyone smart enough to tell where her accent is from? Is that a so-called "bandeja paisa" From medellin?

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2482548]Heard from another site New Life is gone. Even the painter door is gone too.[/QUOTE]Say it ain't so. New Life was like my go-to "Mac-Vs", the bread and butter of our Medellin hobby. What about Aiffe, Zandalay, Sexy Amigas? Because if they are all closed, we got no map after this shitty pandemic.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2482581]Top end is DEFINITELY pulling in over 100 K with ease.

A friend of mine who I sleep / travel with sometimes has been stripping for about 6 months now. Not a high end club and NY based but not in the city. She makes $400-800 a night, every night. She works 4-5 nights a week.[/QUOTE]How can she be making then when the strip clubs in the last six months when were closed until the last month or two? Even with guys going back in, the guys using strip clubs to entertain clients, the very high rollers, are not entertaining like they were.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2482581]She has onlyfans and is honestly not very good at it, doesn't have professionally done content, doesn't update enough etc. She still makes $1. 5-2 K a month in subscriptions barely doing anything. The top end of OnlyFans are making 7 figures a month. A MONTH.[/QUOTE]I really have no personal knowledge of this, but I have women I trust calling bullshit on this.

Here is what I read about onlyfans:

Most accounts take home less than $145 per month (after commission). The modal revenue is $0. 00, and the next most common is $4.99.

Creators put hours into each post, and on top of that, they interact one-on-one, with fans who can message them at any time. To break even on an OnlyFans account, creators need to earn more per month than the cost of hours spent engaging. The median take-home revenue is $136 per month. If you value a creator's time at a $15 minimum wage, the median creator needs to be spending less than 9 hours per month on her OnlyFans to break even. This is less than 20 minutes a day.

Fans expect regular, prompt engagement, and many creators compare OnlyFans to running a business. It seems unlikely that you could satisfy all your fans demands in less time than it takes to make and eat breakfast.

Relative to effort, it looks like most accounts lose money. End of quote.

To me, it sure looks like smells like a multilevel marketing scheme where you have a very few people crushing it while most everyone else loses money or makes very little. I do not have a dog in this fight, but it sure smells like bullshit to me.

What does seem to piss me off is that the number of Instagram followers and fans only members a woman has does seem to inflate their egos and financial expectations. It is kind of a turnoff because when I am with the women I have had times that they care more about taking photos than enjoying themselves.

But thanks for the heads up AS, next time I am on a trip with someone who cares more about taking photos and getting likes than making me happy, I am taking her phone away and telling her, "Your IG followers did not pay for this trip. I did."

To me, telling women they can monetize their social media is kind of like telling men they can monetize their drinking beer.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2482571]I think they do but it probably depends on the location. Many years ago when the engineering consulting rate was still in the $100 range. The hooker was about $300. Occasionally, I can see a huge pile of used towels in the incall hotel room. A towel is $300. Do the math and you can estimate the annual income. They also talked about how much they spent on hotel a year. This is not the top tier. The top tier was charging $600 and up in the best hotel. Think about it, if they are not confident of getting client, why would they spend $500 and more getting the room first?.[/QUOTE]Nounce,

I knew women making $250,000 a year as an escort 15 years ago. I even had hookers tell me who was making the most. Then the sugar baby thing happened, and the market was flooded with women willing to sell themselves. I took my offering price way down. Some of the best hookers kept their old clients and old rates, but there are not that many of those.

Usually, what happens is there is a new girl on the scene, and the guys flood to her, the flavor of the month. Then they give her up for a new flavor. I was friends with high flyer, and she was very nice looking and good in bed, but being a dependable hooker like with most of these women was not her strong suit. Guys gave up on due to her flaking. She put in a special reduced rate for a week and got no takers.

Yes, some try traveling to keep being the flavor of the month in a new locale. Still, they have to worry about the law enforcement scene, or give up cash to a local who schedules for them, or sometimes, the guys do not call. You are assuming these women paying the $500 for a hotel room do not lose money, and they often do.

The looks in the American escort market has way cooled off because there is not the money in it that there was. And I cannot believe that things are so rosy in Colombia in comparison to America. I had zero problem getting amazing women for $20 or even less per hour. Women in the USA want that kind of money just to have a coffee with you.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2482517]I am not trying to be contrary with you like I was with Corona, and I am sorry what happened to you with your health, but there is no way. Top end American hookers are not pulling in $100 k. Neither are dancers at the highest end clubs in the big cities. They used to, but no one is now. If there was that much money in webcams, these American women would be doing it.[/QUOTE]Wait, do we live in the same America? Or am I really living in a bubble as thick as they say? In the Silicon Valley, 100 k is considered below minimum wage. A typical Uber drive in the Bay Area can pull in 120 k a year, and with 120 k annual salary, you are literally considered living in poverty in San Francisco if you have to support a family ([URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/28/families-earning-117000-qualify-as-low-income-in-san-francisco.html[/URL]). I pay people fresh out of school more than 100 k in the valley. In Colombia, a good phd with little to no experience will earn 35 to 40 k, with more experience they can easily earn up to 80-120 k, I know this because I hired them.

I don't think any American women will work as a cam model for 100 k a year, for 400 k a year, maybe, that's what a good Silicon Valley PhD makes. It make sense Colombian women will do it for 100 k a year, that's what a good Colombian PhD makes, proportionally, things add up.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2482571]I think they do but it probably depends on the location. Many years ago when the engineering consulting rate was still in the $100 range. The hooker was about $300. Occasionally, I can see a huge pile of used towels in the incall hotel room. A towel is $300. Do the math and you can estimate the annual income. They also talked about how much they spent on hotel a year. This is not the top tier. The top tier was charging $600 and up in the best hotel. Think about it, if they are not confident of getting client, why would they spend $500 and more getting the room first? I help with occasional hirings in several countries for the companies I work with so I am somewhat familiar with the going rate, especially US. It is much higher now so I think girls (if you can find them) probably are charging more too.

Once I had a couple visiting me in US from oversea. They wanted to buy a US $25 K bag but the store wouldn't sell to them because they have not established a relationship with the brand / store. I remembered another friend who frequently negotiates with girls using gift like the name brand bag as part of the payment. He bought a lot of bags over the years so I called him up and my friend was able to buy the bag. This guy likes to date well known internet influencers. He spends a lot of time, sometimes like over one or two years, pursuing and negotiating. It was not easy. I never really know or ask how much he paid but I heard him joking about how a girl rejected his offer from time to time so I have some idea.[/QUOTE]I know girls, 18-21, in SF who charge 800 dollars an hour and they are always fully booked. The most expensive hour I have ever had was a 1100 dollars threesome in the club globe in Zurich. I believe young and pretty girls in a developed country can easily pull in 500 k or more a year. It make sense, their most valuable capital is youth and energy; without intelligent planning, their youth will only last them to 23-24 the most. I will never pay 800 dollars an hour for a 21+ year old, well, unless she is Rihanna or Candice Swanepoel. For a 18-21 year-old, using the youth card, they only have 4 years to earn as much as they can; after they turn 22, they will need to supplement aging with intelligence. If a really smart 18-year-old in NYC or SF manage to pull in 500 k a year for 4 years, and manage it well, then I think it is totally fair. Sadly, most of them doesn't mange it well or don't know how to leverage their greatest asset.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482434]I understand the education level of the BMs varies quite a bit, I can't expect everyone to have dual masters degrees from MIT or a phd, which is most of my employees in real life.[/QUOTE]You or your employees?

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482434] I understand the education level of the BMs varies quite a bit, I can't expect everyone to have dual masters degrees from MIT or a phd, which is most of my employees in real life. Groundless assertion such as "you are not going to make it over until mid next year" is bound originate from less uneducated mongers who are not use to making rational decisions base on the best information available. Anyways, I respect their existence nonetheless.

Pack your bags, Colombia will open very soon.[/QUOTE]Had I or a few others made this kind of statement, BM's would have laughed and clobbered me. This goes to show just how biased we are as a group of men. SJobs, you have no idea how wealthy some of the BMs are or the education level of each BMs. If you were so wealthy and self sufficient, why did you ever leave Medellin to begin with? Trust me, I have been here since March, and I have not lost a penny. I don't have to stay in a penthouse in Poblado or Laureles to feel comfortable, I most definitely do not work for anyone but myself. The loudest man in the room is usually the poorest and the weakest, and I speak from experience, not just internet foolishness. The borders will be open soon and you can over pay all of the 18 yrs old you want, but you do not have to dim the light of others to make your light shine! Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2482519]I do not buy it all that some women will masturbate on webcams and not take money for sex. Maybe they are fearful of doing so, but if they are doing that, the idea that morally they will not take money for sex is crazy. It may take some desperation, but if the money is right, and they feel safe, they will do it.

I cannot tell you how many "good girls" my sugar babies brought to my place once they told their friends told it was safe and they would get paid. If it is safe, they get paid, and they are not shamed for it, most women who are suffering financially will be down to fuck for $$$ let alone ones that are web cam models.[/QUOTE]Your argument is that all women who masturbate on Webcams will have money for sex. First of all, without any regard to the psychology of the situation, that is a statistical improbability that 100% of all masturbating Web cam girls will have sex for money. I guarantee you I can find many who will not for any amount of money. To believe otherwise is to say you cannot understand the difference of a girl performing on-line with no personal contact to a male stranger, and a girl having sex with a stranger. Even the most basic understanding of human nature would not consider those two situations be experientially close for the girl. Carry on.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482434]This has been confirmed by all major medias in Colombia, the mayor of Cartagena, and the official twitter account of Cartagena airport..[/QUOTE]I live near Colombia and currently working as an advisor to the Dutch Government on the air space opening policies for the Dutch Caribbean.

I am on the inside of the decision processes several governments are using to decide what is safe to open and who is going where.

I am not involved in any way with the thought processes or policies specific to Colombia--outside of the procedures for medical flights between Barranquilla and Curacao and Aruba that happened a couple of months ago--a few people from the ABCs were receiving care in Barranquilla and needed to be repatriated. Outside of that, I have no direct knowledge of Colombia's inside policy development. I am a demographer who has worked in developing public health policy in several nations. So, my thoughts come from studying and being involved with how several islands and nation-states are developing their flight restrictions and openings.

I understand that not hearing what you want may be disconcerting and uncomfortable to some, but that does not make my words less accurate, nor is it worthy of personal insults designed to fraudulently build oneself up by tearing others down.

Remember these posts and watch what happens.

The same people saying that its crazy to think Americans won't be allowed in very very soon are the same people who have been wrong month after month after month after month already about this. Some BMs here claimed they would be in MDE by June, July, August, September. And they were wrong each time. It's a trend. Others, like me, have been saying, 'no, its going to be a longer process than that' and we keep being proven correct. At some point, maybe people should accept that reality and start thinking more clearly? Some of us are just trying to help and keep it real and help manage expectations.

Unless you stop in another place outside the US that will be open to Colombia--and quarantine for 2 weeks there-you will not be allowed into Colombia from the US anytime soon. Even with that, you may need to quarantine in monitored quarantine in Colombia upon arrival with a US passport--that is currently being discussed as an option. The costs and logistics for that are somewhat complicated and will be at the tourists expense. You may also need to agree to install an app on your phones to be tracked and will be heavily fined and // or deported for non-compliance. Hotels may be required to track who comes in and out and when. Most Americans will have a greater problem with that than most non-Americans. Moreover, they don't want foreigners taking up the space in the hospitals if you get sick while there, and they can't send you back if you do test positive until you are cleared of the virus. You will likely also be required to have internationally accepted travel and medical insurance if / when you are allowed in.

My education and experience related to COVID-19, well, as was said with the grammatical skills of an obviously truly stable genius: "is bound originate from less uneducated mongers". Yes, I am less uneducated-which actually means more educated. So, thanks for he compliment. (Some of this discussion reminds me of when Trump says things that are incredibly stupid-but thinks he is being smart, while the whole world is face palming themselves and mocking him for exposing his own stupidity).

As of now, nobody from the US will be taking direct flights to Colombia with no restrictions or quarantines until 2021. And probably not early 2021. It is what it is. Yes, that could change. There is a solid chance of Canadians being allowed into Colombia fairly soon. There is far less spread in much of Canada than in the US. When the govt. Says 'international flights'. Remember: the US isn't the only international country! Uruguay has basically eradicated the virus. There may be a few flights from Uruguay allowed fairly soon. Its not going to be all countries at once. Its a few at a time, then wait and see how the numbers develop. This takes time.

Also, be aware, for a while, you will be required to fill out a health declaration, likely need a negative PCR test within 72 hours of departure. In the US-testing is a huge problem because.

A: testing is not as readily available in the US as most other countries.

And.

B: The US is having great difficulty getting results back to people fast enough.

For example: If you want to fly on a Thursday at 9 am, you will need to be tested (negative PCR test) no earlier than Monday at 9 am and have the negative test results in hand when you attempt to check into the flight.

How practical is that for most Americans right now?

When they say limited international flights: its from areas with extremely low virus transmission rates which are reviewed every 10-14 days, have only passengers with negative test results in hand from tests less than 72 hours old, with full international travel and medical insurance and possibly with the ability to provide sufficient proof you can financially provide for yourself if the air space is closed for several months and you can't be repatriated to your country of origin for an undetermined amount of time. All of these constraints will reduce demand for flights. There will be less flights, less flight capacity on each flight with stringent rules before during and after travel, all developed and opened to a few countries at a time. Again, its going to take time.

Right now, there are about 65 active cases of Covid-19 on Curacao. Curacao normally has direct flights to Bogota and flights through Panama to Medellin. Look at a map. Curacao is quite close to Colombia. With 65 cases on the island--Curacao is considered too risky for Colombia to open flights with. Many people living in Curacao are actually Colombians. Yet, they can't even open to each other anytime soon even for people who just want to visit their families and can stay in a family home without much public interaction-as opposed to a tourist in a hotel. Do you really think if 65 active cases in Curacao makes Curacao too risky to open to Colombia for at least another month, that the US is going to be opened up to Colombia really soon? Me neither.

I encourage everyone to be patient. Practice distancing, wearing masks, getting your friends and families to wear masks and stay home and avoid travel and gatherings. The more of us who do this -the faster the process goes.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2482552]Ah. The blue painted door?[/QUOTE]One of the funniest quips I can relate from Medellin was I was showing a Gringo around on his first trip there with New Life as our destination, on foot from Hotel Botero. We were trying to use GPS on his phone, but the tall buildings had us all twisted. Exasperated, we stopped in our tracks not knowing exactly where we were, and I told him, "If we could just find the Blue Door. " Then we unstuck our noses from our phones, looked up and we were standing right in front of the Blue Door, literally two feet away jajajajaja. We had a great time, both of us extended our sessions and had two girls each.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2482548]Heard from another site New Life is gone. Even the painter door is gone too.[/QUOTE]New Life is gone? Omfg. This coronavirus is going to destroy mongering in Colombia for me. I hope by the time Colombia re-opens and the virus goes away New Life, Hotel Botero etc gets re-opened as I was definitely a casa / strip club guy & not a guy who wanted chicas to come back to my hotel.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2482581]Top end is DEFINITELY pulling in over 100 K with ease.

A friend of mine who I sleep / travel with sometimes has been stripping for about 6 months now. Not a high end club and NY based but not in the city. She makes $400-800 a night, every night. She works 4-5 nights a week. She has onlyfans and is honestly not very good at it, doesn't have professionally done content, doesn't update enough etc. She still makes $1. 5-2 K a month in subscriptions barely doing anything. The top end of OnlyFans are making 7 figures a month. A MONTH.[/QUOTE]Stripping where for 6 months.

From basically March to July ALL strip clubs where closed.

We were on lockdown.

Sure in the last 2 months some have been open.

I know of a few bimbos that suck dick in the club and make up to 1500 a night at times.

One of these girls I have gotten head in my car for 100 when she blows all the money in a few days on purses and shoes and needs groceries in a last minute panick.

Theses girls are stupid as fuck on a whole.

Can you name 5 "seven figure" only fans girls? LOL.

I know of a number of smoking girls that shut their only fans because they made like 300 a month.

We all hear about those 1 or 2 that clean up while most others starve.

Some instagram girls clean up.

But there is a million hot as fuck want to be's that don't get shit.

Yeah some have 1 million followers.

Yet still can't monetize it.

And there's 100,000's that have 100 K to 500 K followers that don't earn 10 cents from the insta account.

Unfortunately 99% will never monetize it, as there is almost as many girls trying to sell as horny guys buying.

Plus many men join onlyfans accounts to see one month only to not renew subscription.

This exploded during the lockdown as gov't paid people to stay home to watch TV.

Horny guys had no where to spend money but online.

Once everything opens up in 2021, this will mostly dry up as money will be spent on girls giving head and ball licking in person.

The only good thing about the few girls that are cleaning up is, they will spend all the money on frivolous things and will be broke when it drys up.

So who cares in the future about 1000 girls worldwide cleaning up.

This pandemic has done so much damage to the worldwide economy that millions of more girls will be sucking dicks in the near future.

Long term this pandemic will make pooning amazing, after governments default on all the debt they accumulated in the last 6 months and the problems because of this.

We are now on a speed up money printing and worldwide sovereign debt crisis, which is going to be so fucking ugly, your head will spin and dudes won't be worrying about onlyfans and strippers, they will be worrying about buying food.

The next crisis the governments won't be able to bail the populace out.

Get ready for some exciting times over the next 10 years.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2482548]Heard from another site New Life is gone. Even the painter door is gone too.[/QUOTE]The Centro Rat Pack will know better than I, but I would tend to think this is more of a guess, based on the fucking outer door being shut, and not being able to see the inner door. One is brown, the other is blue. I hope it's not true, and that's my theory. If it is true, that building isn't going to turn into a Frisby, so likely some one else (or the same people) will get it back up and running, new name or not.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482430]

Hopefully soon I can start sharing details of barebacking three 18-year-olds while swimming in tussi land.[/QUOTE]Sounds magical. I'm listening to the fellas putting the final day of work in on my new jacuzzi, as I type this. I'll be targeting a trio party as soon as Pinky returns.

Have you ever looked into buying a place, down here? I've got my eye on one, and I'm wondering if I'm jumping the gun, or if I should just go with my gut.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2482548]Heard from another site New Life is gone. Even the painter door is gone too.[/QUOTE]I've got an expat buddy who lives full time in Medellin. This is what he told me yesterday (Thursday):

"I was there Tuesday and Wednesday the door is still blue, only difference you pay ahead now and the girls each have their own room, when they do the line up they come down the stairs no more back room they have to wear a mask, they don't shake hands. But I will say I get treated pretty good, maybe because I think I'm their only customer, very slow and they are much higher than the others."

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2482658]I'm not sorry to be Debbie Downer but do you have even one link from a government source, preferably one who could authorize what you appear to believe has already been authorized? None are in your post.[/QUOTE]I don't know if the Colombian people consider the mayor of Cartagena a legit government official or not, in the US, the mayor of a major city is certainly considered as a government official. One of the link I posted have him saying during a news interview: "Cartagena will be the first city open for international flight on 9/21". Furthermore, although the Cartagena airport's official twitter account is not as authoritative as the statement from Duque that I posted a few weeks ago, but it is certainly more credible than a random incognito person making educated assertions.

Anyway, I'm not arguing for absolute certainty here, but the evidence is overwhelming. Like I said before, If my 9/21 Cartagena flight gets cancel, I will check into a hotel in FLL, buy one ticket a day until I get through. The chances of me making it over in late September or early October is very high, as indicated by the best available data.

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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2482736]You or your employees?[/QUOTE]Most of the people I work with, myself included, holds at least two advance degrees, that's master degree or above, from name brand universities such as Cambridge, MIT, Stanford. Etc. Anyways, I really don't want to turn this board into a place for university rivalry, I have enough of that in real life. This will be the last post from me on this issue. Sorry guys that I even started this topic.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2482795]Sounds magical. I'm listening to the fellas putting the final day of work in on my new jacuzzi, as I type this. I'll be targeting a trio party as soon as Pinky returns.

Have you ever looked into buying a place, down here? I've got my eye on one, and I'm wondering if I'm jumping the gun, or if I should just go with my gut.[/QUOTE]I'm absolutely thinking about buying a penthouse in Provenza, the main concern for me is long term security. I don't want to have a permanent place in Medellin where all the girls can definitively find me. Every year, I will have to retire a good amount of 21 year-olds who turn 22, if they knew where I permanently live, then it create a whole host of issues. What's your thought on that?

Certain news articles suggest the Colombian system is making an effort to reopen all industries. The government will not help businesses Nor individuals with their losses (In a significant way) therefore industries And everyone else must reopen as soon as possible And get back to work to avoid further losses. So international travel will probably open and soon at least with fewer restrictions in place. And When international travel opens in Colombia there will still be restrictions from other countries.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2481697]Its a little tricky following your post are you drinking? LOL.

Quick story, several years ago, I agree to fuk a super hot 18 yo spinner BBFS for dos mil pesos in Tijuana 2 x what I typically would ever agree to.

Long story short I fuck her like a porn star, and fill her with my salsa, I pull out 2 1000 mil notes and hand her them before we leave the room and she hands one back to me and gives me a big kiss LOL.

Now that's what I call that a great session LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm just honestly asking why you are laughing out loud? Only because I don't understand. A lot of girls are not only beautiful but also have smart business skills. The girls can also be Generous. Generosity, business acumen, manners All these personality traits make a woman more attractive and desirable. Sometimes women value trustworthy repeat customers. At the end of the day being honest can put more money in your pocket in the long run than having a hot behind. Of course, this does not apply to all customers and all business scenarios. Seriously dude! This type of business is not about putting a few extra dollar bills in your pocket, it's about building trust and business relationships that will put money in your pocket for many years to come. Also you make a lot of friends on the way which will make your life brighter and they can even help you out sometimes.

This is a fact, if the conditions are right, that a woman will return money if you overpay. I would not ever spent time with the swindler even if she was a 12 out of 10.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482824]I'm absolutely thinking about buying a penthouse in Provenza, the main concern for me is long term security. I don't want to have a permanent place in Medellin where all the girls can definitively find me. Every year, I will have to retire a good amount of 21 year-olds who turn 22, if they knew where I permanently live, then it create a whole host of issues. What's your thought on that?[/QUOTE]Always when you say goodbye to girlfriend or lover. Say goodbye as friends and make sure she is happy. At least the most possible.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482824]I'm absolutely thinking about buying a penthouse in Provenza, the main concern for me is long term security. I don't want to have a permanent place in Medellin where all the girls can definitively find me. Every year, I will have to retire a good amount of 21 year-olds who turn 22, if they knew where I permanently live, then it create a whole host of issues. What's your thought on that?[/QUOTE]A permanent place in MDE would be epic.

If it were me, I would buy a super nice pad, and enjoy it for myself. And maybe a few serious girlfriends to have over.

However, I would just bring the random girls that I pick up short time (for the night / session) to a different location.

Such as a nice hotel that's located close to or far from the actually property that you own (depending on your preference).

Some of these chicas are untrustworthy, to say the least. Some of the chicas also have sicarios, who are their clients, that they session with. So, as to avoid the drama, unwanted attention, and as a safety measure, I'd just follow the above mentioned modus operandi.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482824]I'm absolutely thinking about buying a penthouse in Provenza, the main concern for me is long term security. I don't want to have a permanent place in Medellin where all the girls can definitively find me. Every year, I will have to retire a good amount of 21 year-olds who turn 22, if they knew where I permanently live, then it create a whole host of issues. What's your thought on that?[/QUOTE]I don't think security is going to be the problems you will have if you own a Penthouse in Poblado. The Portero's will be able to manage who is allowed to visit you per your direction. However, if your going thru so many girls, you may have one or more that will create a nightmare for you after you trade them in or dump them. It could be embarrassing for you if they are showing up looking for you after your done with them and having the Porteros sending them off, and there may some issues with the other residents and even the Porteros. One of the Porteros in my building has given me the "stink eye" on a couple of occasions, but I don't have a revolving door.

If and when you get a Penthouse in Medellin, don't tell any of your girls that your the owner of the apartment. Your just temporarily renting.

Also, and more importantly, and as previously mentioned, try to break off the relationships peacefully and on good terms, albeit the jealous ones may be the problematic ones. As an example, if your in Gustos's and are pursuing new pussy there, some of your past conquests may not be happy campers upon seeing you.

I'm looking forward to all the future drama you will be reporting when you get back.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482823]Most of the people I work with, myself included, holds at least two advance degrees, that's master degree or above, from name brand universities such as Cambridge, MIT, Stanford. Etc. Anyways, I really don't want to turn this board into a place for university rivalry, I have enough of that in real life. This will be the last post from me on this issue. Sorry guys that I even started this topic.[/QUOTE]I have an HSD, do any of the people you work with have this type of degree?

[QUOTE=Frank11;2482839]I'm just honestly asking why you are laughing out loud? Only because I don't understand. A lot of girls are not only beautiful but also have smart business skills. The girls can also be Generous. Generosity, business acumen, manners All these personality traits make a woman more attractive and desirable. Sometimes women value trustworthy repeat customers. At the end of the day being honest can put more money in your pocket in the long run than having a hot behind. Of course, this does not apply to all customers and all business scenarios. Seriously dude! This type of business is not about putting a few extra dollar bills in your pocket, it's about building trust and business relationships that will put money in your pocket for many years to come. Also you make a lot of friends on the way which will make your life brighter and they can even help you out sometimes.

This is a fact, if the conditions are right, that a woman will return money if you overpay. I would not ever spent time with the swindler even if she was a 12 out of 10.[/QUOTE]Very well put. I couldn't agree with you more.

Since you seem to say you don't live in US.

FYI:

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2482781]A: testing is not as readily available in the US as most other countries.
[/QUOTE]That is not a correct generalization. I don't know about all cities in US but I know in the cities I am from. It is widely available and I think it is free.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2482781]
B: The US is having great difficulty getting results back to people fast enough.

For example: If you want to fly on a Thursday at 9 am, you will need to be tested (negative PCR test) no earlier than Monday at 9 am and have the negative test results in hand when you attempt to check into the flight.

How practical is that for most Americans right now?[/QUOTE]That is also not a correct generalization. Again, I don't know about all countries but I do know some countries require the date the "test report" issued, not the date it is taken. Also the weekend may not be counted for practical reason.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482817]
Anyway, I'm not arguing for absolute certainty here, but the evidence is overwhelming. Like I said before, If my 9/21 Cartagena flight gets cancel, I will check into a hotel in FLL, buy one ticket a day until I get through. The chances of me making it over in late September or early October is very high, as indicated by the best available data.[/QUOTE]I read that at least Viva is also flying. They have a flight to MDE with a Catagena layover.

I guess you are in a special situation that you can write off all your living and travel expenses as work related. You are lucky to be able find people. We have problem filling local positions with local recruiter in other nearby countries. We interviewed many and at least half of the candidates are already working for multinationals but none of them did well enough in interview. We are not picky because we just want to keep the slots by hiring someone that can fit in in someway before we lost the slots forever.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2482846]Always when you say goodbye to girlfriend or lover. Say goodbye as friends and make sure she is happy. At least the most possible.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. That's how I handle things in real life. But the difference here is that I will be seen hundreds (possibly thousands) of girls a year in my apartment, I will likely retire 30-50 21-year-olds each year. The likelihood of having a bad egg or two is too high. Once the place is permanent, I can easily disappear.

It is the President's decision.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482817]I don't know if the Colombian people consider the mayor of Cartagena a legit government official or not, in the US, the mayor of a major city is certainly considered as a government official. One of the link I posted have him saying during a news interview: "Cartagena will be the first city open for international flight on 9/21". Furthermore, although the Cartagena airport's official twitter account is not as authoritative as the statement from Duque that I posted a few weeks ago, but it is certainly more credible than a random incognito person making educated assertions.

Anyway, I'm not arguing for absolute certainty here, but the evidence is overwhelming. Like I said before, If my 9/21 Cartagena flight gets cancel, I will check into a hotel in FLL, buy one ticket a day until I get through. The chances of me making it over in late September or early October is very high, as indicated by the best available data.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2482853]
Some of these chicas are untrustworthy, to say the least. Some of the chicas also have sicarios, who are their clients, that they session with.
[/QUOTE]That is true. It is best not to make bad blood with anyone because the sicarios, according to What a policeman Said, don't charge more than 50,000, and they will do anything.

Out of curiosity, how untrustworthy are some of the girls? Do you have any stories? It's good to hear the story because then one can avoid the scams. For example when you have a girl over you should store all your belongings in a bag with a lock. Don't leave anything lying around.

There also reports of guys getting jealous when the girl goes with another guy at the FKK. And sometimes the women get these jealous feelings too. Little conflicts here and there.

Centro rate here, it's still up and running. Personally I avoid the place because I don't like their business model. It is the McDonalds of Centro casas. I respect their hustle. They have something for almost everyone and they are to casas as Durex and Heineken are to condoms and beer.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2482795]The Centro Rat Pack will know better than I, but I would tend to think this is more of a guess, based on the fucking outer door being shut, and not being able to see the inner door. One is brown, the other is blue. I hope it's not true, and that's my theory. If it is true, that building isn't going to turn into a Frisby, so likely some one else (or the same people) will get it back up and running, new name or not.

Sounds magical. I'm listening to the fellas putting the final day of work in on my new jacuzzi, as I type this. I'll be targeting a trio party as soon as Pinky returns.

Have you ever looked into buying a place, down here? I've got my eye on one, and I'm wondering if I'm jumping the gun, or if I should just go with my gut.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2482870]I read that at least Viva is also flying. They have a flight to MDE with a Catagena layover.

I guess you are in a special situation that you can write off all your living and travel expenses as work related. You are lucky to be able find people. We have problem filling local positions with local recruiter in other nearby countries. We interviewed many and at least half of the candidates are already working for multinationals but none of them did well enough in interview. We are not picky because we just want to keep the slots by hiring someone that can fit in in someway before we lost the slots forever.[/QUOTE]Well, not really. I'm one of the owner of the company, so in the end, it's my own money that I'm writing off. I hear you about hiring in Medellin, it's tough. My hit rate is about 30 to 1, 30 interviews one hire, offer acceptance rate 100%. In the valley I use to fight for talent with google and Facebook, fuck it was brutal, offer acceptance in the valley is under 20%. I think the PhD and master students in Colombian universities should give a big thanks to those 18-21 year-old chicas. Having access to high quality pussy was one of the key motivating factor for me to decide to invest heavily in Medellin.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482824]I'm absolutely thinking about buying a penthouse in Provenza, the main concern for me is long term security. I don't want to have a permanent place in Medellin where all the girls can definitively find me. Every year, I will have to retire a good amount of 21 year-olds who turn 22, if they knew where I permanently live, then it create a whole host of issues. What's your thought on that?[/QUOTE]Sjobs, you need a stable of ISG board members to pass the 21 yr olds on to! 😂.

Not too much wrong with 21 yr old pussy in my opinion.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2482795]The Centro Rat Pack will know better than I, but I would tend to think this is more of a guess, based on the fucking outer door being shut, and not being able to see the inner door. One is brown, the other is blue. I hope it's not true, and that's my theory. If it is true, that building isn't going to turn into a Frisby, so likely some one else (or the same people) will get it back up and running, new name or not.

Sounds magical. I'm listening to the fellas putting the final day of work in on my new jacuzzi, as I type this. I'll be targeting a trio party as soon as Pinky returns.

Have you ever looked into buying a place, down here? I've got my eye on one, and I'm wondering if I'm jumping the gun, or if I should just go with my gut.[/QUOTE]Not a bad time to be putting in a lowball offer.

One thing to keep in mind, if you buy a home it is yours, plus with your mindset of retiring girls when they turn 21 or 22, you must never allow them to know where you live, as generous as you claim that you are, you will never get rid of them and they will continue to try and see you regardless of your retirement plan for them. Many chics tell me that they came by my old place every time I visit Centro and I remind them that I no longer live there and my girlfriend lives with me now, so I will not allow anyone to know where I live. Not only this, if the girl knows where you live she has unlimited time to plan on how to have her friend rob you and extort you. If mongering is your main objective, it will always be best that you have an AirBnb or an apartment for a short time. The less these girls know about you the better, Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482716]Wait, do we live in the same America? Or am I really living in a bubble as thick as they say?[/QUOTE]No offense, but you are. I get why. The living costs are through the roof.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482716]In the Silicon Valley, 100 k is considered below minimum wage. A typical Uber drive in the Bay Area can pull in 120 k a year, and with 120 k annual salary, you are literally considered living in poverty in San Francisco if you have to support a family.[/QUOTE]Look at the salaries in Colombia here: [URL]http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=47&loctype=1[/URL].

Top pay is 21 million COP per month. That is about $5700 per month or $68,000 per year.

Average wage is 4.4 million COP per month. That is about $1200 per month or $14,000 per year.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482716]It make sense Colombian women will do it for 100 k a year.[/QUOTE]If they made that, every decent looking woman in Colombia would be a webcam model. I do not get why some here inflated the wages these women make.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2482908]Out of curiosity, how untrustworthy are some of the girls? Do you have any stories? It's good to hear the story because then one can avoid the scams. For example when you have a girl over you should store all your belongings in a bag with a lock. Don't leave anything lying around.[/QUOTE]Fortunately, no real issues here. If you select the right girl, and she is a pro, hopefully she knows that she doesn't want to do something stupid, like steal my stuff. When security at hotel has already photocopied her ID and security calls me once she leaves to go home.

I don't even use the lock boxes, all my goods, cash, cards, are just chillen in my suitcase. However, I do have eyes on the chica at all times, and leave the door open if I need to use the bathroom.

The only issues I ever have are with taxi drivers. Sometimes they will "forget" to reset their meter from their last fare. Or they will speed up their taxi meter and run up the price. But, if you're aware and cognizant of what's going on, it's rarely an issue.

I'll take a 70 year old taxi driver over some 21 year old punk taxi driver any day of the week.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2482928]Sjobs, you need a stable of ISG board members to pass the 21 yr olds on to! 😂.

Not too much wrong with 21 yr old pussy in my opinion.[/QUOTE]There is absolutely nothing wrong with 21-24 year-olds, older than 24 would be too old for me. In Brazil and the FKKs, my upper limit is 24, since there aren't many 18-year-olds running around. In the you. S, my upper limit is 40 (that's older than me! Fuck! I hate sex prisons), there are some awesome Korean girls in California in their late thirties who provide remarkable service. However, in Medellin, I have an infinite supply of 18-year-olds, if a girl is really really really hot, I might keep her until she reaches 24. Personally, I prefer 18-year-olds who have tight body and lots of energy, if there are 50 hours in a day and I can fuck nonstop for 48 out of the 50 hours, then I will try to fuck girls from 18-24. Unfortunately, my fucking capacity is limited, at my maximum capacity, I can only fuck 12 girls a day, at this rate, I will not have enough time to go through all my 18-21 year-olds. In other words, every 22 year-old I fuck in Medellin is one less 18-21 year-old I can fuck. Don't get me wrong, if a 22-24 year-old is super fun to hangout with, I will definitely keep her around, but given the sheer number of girls I normally fuck in Medellin, probabilistically speaking, I will end up retiring a ton of 21-year-olds. Anyways, that is certainly a good problem to have. Let's get back to the only issue that matters to all the mongers outside of Colombia, how can we to get back into heaven.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482873]But the difference here is that I will be seen hundreds (possibly thousands) of girls a year in my apartment, I will likely retire 30-50 21-year-olds each year[/QUOTE]I think you know those numbers are just a dream and unlikely even if you live full time there. If you count repeat, then maybe. And tuci everyday?

[QUOTE=Frank11;2482908]
Out of curiosity, how untrustworthy are some of the girls? Do you have any stories? It's good to hear the story because then one can avoid the scams.[/QUOTE]It is difficult to avoid because most of the times you find it out after the fact. How trustworthy or untrustworthy I think depending on your viewpoint. It is a good idea to not let your guard down and feel safe because that usually is the most dangerous time for you.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2482908]
Out of curiosity, how untrustworthy are some of the girls? Do you have any stories? It's good to hear the story because then one can avoid the scams.[/QUOTE]It is difficult to avoid because most of the times you find it out after the fact. How trustworthy or untrustworthy I think depending on your viewpoint. It is a good idea to not let your guard down and feel safe because that usually is the most dangerous for you.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482873]Absolutely agree. That's how I handle things in real life. But the difference here is that I will be seen hundreds (possibly thousands) of girls a year in my apartment, I will likely retire 30-50 21-year-olds each year. The likelihood of having a bad egg or two is too high. Once the place is permanent, I can easily disappear.[/QUOTE]Hundreds of girls knowing you, where you live and the details of the interior of your apartment? How could that be safe? The odds alone!

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2482548]Heard from another site New Life is gone. Even the painter door is gone too.[/QUOTE]Very sad news indeed. It was my go to casa for many years. Ahhh, the memories!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483038]Hundreds of girls knowing you, where you live and the details of the interior of your apartment? How could that be safe? The odds alone![/QUOTE]There must be a reason if all local men, including single, bring their lovers and paid girlfriends to short-time hotels and never at home. Right?

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;2482797]I've got an expat buddy who lives full time in Medellin. This is what he told me yesterday (Thursday):

"I was there Tuesday and Wednesday the door is still blue, only difference you pay ahead now and the girls each have their own room, when they do the line up they come down the stairs no more back room they have to wear a mask, they don't shake hands. But I will say I get treated pretty good, maybe because I think I'm their only customer, very slow and they are much higher than the others."[/QUOTE]The address and landmarks please, anyone? I have completely forgotten how to get to New Life. It was at least 5 years ago. And, another person took me there. I welcome a P.M. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483038]Hundreds of girls knowing you, where you live and the details of the interior of your apartment? How could that be safe? The odds alone![/QUOTE]Not to mention that with the crazy money he throws around, he's even more of a target. In a country where the average person makes about $260/ per month, you don't want to present yourself as having money to burn.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2483050]There must be a reason if all local men, including single, bring their lovers and paid girlfriends to short-time hotels and never at home. Right?[/QUOTE]To be fair, a lot of them do it because they live with multiple family members and privacy is impossible. That said, you're right, you don't always want these girls to know where you live.

[QUOTE=Combo;2483088]Not to mention that with the crazy money he throws around, he's even more of a target. In a country where the average person makes about $260/ per month, you don't want to present yourself as having money to burn.

To be fair, a lot of them do it because they live with multiple family members and privacy is impossible. That said, you're right, you don't always want these girls to know where you live.[/QUOTE]All very valid points, I'm thinking about the same thing. I will most likely be renting and moving around for awhile. I don't want to start buying properties in Medellin until I figure out how to handle retired chicas, regardless how attractive the offer is.

Just landed in the city and wondering in the current climate what establishments are operational and the best place to peruse the ladies? I looked back over a month and not much related to that. Advice would be very welcome. Thank you. I have been stuck in Cali for 6 months LOL.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482959]There is absolutely nothing wrong with 21-24 [/QUOTE]My favorite woman, which loves me the best is 25 - 27. :) Good love. Good love. Good love.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482959] Unfortunately, my fucking capacity is limited, at my maximum capacity, I can only fuck 12 girls a day, at this rate, I will not have enough time to go through all my 18-21 year-olds. [/QUOTE]And I'm going to have to assume that you come every time as well, correct? Could you give us a break on all this silly nonsense you come up with please, albeit it's entertaining, but it's getting old. We have posters claiming there doing 6 girls a day, but 12.

Had a rather nice encounter here. They display the girls on the 3rd floor but it seems they occupy the whole building. The lineup was about 14 girls with about 4 standouts. I chose Jimena. A 6'11" venny mulato beauty with shoulder length hair. The sheer enthusiasm, friendly attitude and sexual prowess blew me away. The charge is 60 k for an hour but I had to tip her extra for an outstanding performance.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483127]And I'm going to have to assume that you come every time as well, correct? Could you give us a break on all this silly nonsense you come up with please, albeit it's entertaining, but it's getting old. We have posters claiming there doing 6 girls a day, but 12.[/QUOTE]It's my maximum capacity, did that once at the FKK world near Frankfurt, it's not a daily thing. The point I was trying to make is that even if I can operate at my max capacity all the time, which is obviously impossible, I still can't go through all the younger pussies available to me in Medellin. I will make sure I put things in simpler terms next time, so people don't miss the point.

Certainly glad you are taking the time to read my post, analyzing it and cross referencing it to other posts. I wonder how much effort you put in for posts you deemed sensical.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482959]There is absolutely nothing wrong with 21-24 year-olds, older than 24 would be too old for me. In Brazil and the FKKs, my upper limit is 24, since there aren't many 18-year-olds running around. In the you. S, my upper limit is 40 (that's older than me! Fuck! I hate sex prisons), there are some awesome Korean girls in California in their late thirties who provide remarkable service. However, in Medellin, I have an infinite supply of 18-year-olds, if a girl is really really really hot, I might keep her until she reaches 24. Personally, I prefer 18-year-olds who have tight body and lots of energy, if there are 50 hours in a day and I can fuck nonstop for 48 out of the 50 hours, then I will try to fuck girls from 18-24. Unfortunately, my fucking capacity is limited, at my maximum capacity, I can only fuck 12 girls a day, at this rate, I will not have enough time to go through all my 18-21 year-olds. In other words, every 22 year-old I fuck in Medellin is one less 18-21 year-old I can fuck. Don't get me wrong, if a 22-24 year-old is super fun to hangout with, I will definitely keep her around, but given the sheer number of girls I normally fuck in Medellin, probabilistically speaking, I will end up retiring a ton of 21-year-olds. Anyways, that is certainly a good problem to have. Let's get back to the only issue that matters to all the mongers outside of Colombia, how can we to get back into heaven.[/QUOTE]Haha 12 girls a day, Yikes!

P.S, I'm back in heaven!

Arrived in Brasil this morning.

Doubt I'll be with 12 a day though, LOL.

I'm a quality over quantity type of guy these days.

Colombia rocks and I understand your obsession, however, Brasil is #1 for me!

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2483099]Just landed in the city and wondering in the current climate what establishments are operational and the best place to peruse the ladies? I looked back over a month and not much related to that. Advice would be very welcome. Thank you. I have been stuck in Cali for 6 months LOL.[/QUOTE]The only establishment I know, where you can hang out and watch, that is operating in Luna Lunera. But I got a message that they' re closed today (Saturday). I thought it a bit odd. Apartment girls on mileroticos. Co. Some centro salas are operating.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483127] We have posters claiming there doing 6 girls a day, but 12.[/QUOTE]I think SJobs is plotting and dreaming what he is going to do in his head. I was wondering if anyone can really sustain that for a long period of time. Is that even healthy? If it is maybe I will go to New Life to try it everyday to save time, lol.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482920]Well, not really. I'm one of the owner of the company, so in the end, it's my own money that I'm writing off. I hear you about hiring in Medellin, it's tough. My hit rate is about 30 to 1, 30 interviews one hire, offer acceptance rate 100%.[/QUOTE]What I mean is that you can get a large discount on your expenses if you can write them off as it can be considered as work related trip.

The hiring is not in Medellin. It is in other more advanced country, more Silicon Valley company branches, more multinationals so more competitions.

Brazil is on my to do list. But I am thinking this is the wrong time because of the virus. Share with me sensible reasons to come when the rate of infection is so high.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2483150]Haha 12 girls a day, Yikes!

P.S., I'm back in heaven!

Arrived in Brasil this morning.

Doubt I'll be with 12 a day though, LOL.

I'm a quality over quantity type of guy these days.

Colombia rocks and I understand your obsession, however, Brasil is #1 for me![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Nounce;2483154]I think SJobs is plotting and dreaming what he is going to do in his head. I was wondering if anyone can really sustain that for a long period of time. Is that even healthy? If it is maybe I will go to New Life to try it everyday to save time, lol.[/QUOTE]Is that healthy, good question. Can somebody sustain that day in and day out, another good question. Is the guy going to come every time, no I don't think so. I can imagine doing 12 a day even being way older than SJobs, but it would entail an intavenous drip of viagra, so I can see getting hard, being able to penetrate a Chica every two hours, but it might actually be torture. A good day for me is four times a day and coming each time. Very doable and pleasurable. But I'm an old fart and suppose a young stud with a Harem could be pulling it off.

Imagine hundreds of years ago when rulers had Concubines and Harems, can you imagine being reincarnated and living in a palace with rooms full of young women at your beck and call. This is what SJobs is craving for, and I'm with him on this, albeit it will be on a much smaller scale than the Sultans of a bygone era.

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2483135]Had a rather nice encounter here. They display the girls on the 3rd floor but it seems they occupy the whole building. The lineup was about 14 girls with about 4 standouts. I chose Jimena. A 6'11" venny mulato beauty with shoulder length hair. The sheer enthusiasm, friendly attitude and sexual prowess blew me away. The charge is 60 k for an hour but I had to tip her extra for an outstanding performance.[/QUOTE]6 feet 11 inches is a lot of woman. But great that you can bury your head between the knockers while you're still pounding away.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483186]Is that healthy, good question. Can somebody sustain that day in and day out, another good question. Is the guy going to come every time, no I don't think so. I can imagine doing 12 a day even being way older than SJobs, but it would entail an intavenous drip of viagra, so I can see getting hard, being able to penetrate a Chica every two hours, but it might actually be torture. A good day for me is four times a day and coming each time. Very doable and pleasurable. But I'm an old fart and suppose a young stud with a Harem could be pulling it off.

Imagine hundreds of years ago when rulers had Concubines and Harems, can you imagine being reincarnated and living in a palace with rooms full of young women at your beck and call. This is what SJobs is craving for, and I'm with him on this, albeit it will be on a much smaller scale than the Sultans of a bygone era.[/QUOTE]While I very much enjoy his dream land, he's been very open about his 2 see use too. I'm sure that garbage makes anyone feel like they can bang 10 18 yo's a day. It will catch up, regardless of Ivy League education. But. Loving the stories.

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2483135]Had a rather nice encounter here. They display the girls on the 3rd floor but it seems they occupy the whole building. The lineup was about 14 girls with about 4 standouts. I chose Jimena. A 6'11" venny mulato beauty with shoulder length hair. The sheer enthusiasm, friendly attitude and sexual prowess blew me away. The charge is 60 k for an hour but I had to tip her extra for an outstanding performance.[/QUOTE]Sorry should be 5 11.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2483150]Haha 12 girls a day, Yikes!

P.S., I'm back in heaven!

Arrived in Brasil this morning.

Doubt I'll be with 12 a day though, LOL.

I'm a quality over quantity type of guy these days.

Colombia rocks and I understand your obsession, however, Brasil is #1 for me![/QUOTE]First of all, congratulations on returning to heaven! Despite my intense love affair with Medellin, in my book, Brazil is still the best place monger heaven on earth! Very well done; I sure you will have an absolute blast in Brazil.

As I explained it to Surfer on the other post, cum 12-times a day was once a lifetime. My most memorable mongering moment: I cum 12 times on the first day and 11 times on the second day, 23 times in two days, with more than 20 girls, but it was about 10-years ago; I was young, in my late 20's. After those two days, I could barely walk, but I had a big smile on my face for days (I fucked a few more times on the third day at the FKK Shark). Man, I missed the FKK World in 2014. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] When I was younger, I tried to fuck as much as I can and cum as many times as I can; I was a clueless twenty-something. After I marched into my thirties, I realized that it is much more fun to fuck continuously for hours than just cum, rest, and start another round; most of the later rounds are ending-up with a hand job finish.

After I return to my mini heaven, a. K. a Medellin, I will focus on quality over quantity, as any mature monger would do. My goal is to fuck 10-20 different girls a week, with a mixture of foursomes and threesomes. I'm almost sure that I will make it over one way or another before the end of this month. I will report back pronto.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2483126]My favorite woman, which loves me the best is 25 - 27. :) Good love. Good love. Good love.[/QUOTE]The absolute best sex I have ever had was with a 26 year old Romanian girl, but that's literally 1 out of 1000. On average, I enjoy 18-21 year-olds much more than 24+, this is just me, I like to party for 48 hours straight, most of the older girls can't keep up.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2482930]One thing to keep in mind, if you buy a home it is yours, plus with your mindset of retiring girls when they turn 21 or 22, you must never allow them to know where you live, as generous as you claim that you are, you will never get rid of them and they will continue to try and see you regardless of your retirement plan for them. Many chics tell me that they came by my old place every time I visit Centro and I remind them that I no longer live there and my girlfriend lives with me now, so I will not allow anyone to know where I live. Not only this, if the girl knows where you live she has unlimited time to plan on how to have her friend rob you and extort you. If mongering is your main objective, it will always be best that you have an AirBnb or an apartment for a short time. The less these girls know about you the better, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]This is a legit advice, I appreciate it. The chica retirement situation is certainly something I need to sort out before I can buy a place in Medellin.

Eros Spa is aka "La Castellana" or in Blakman's detail oriented description "the place off la 81" LOL! But seriously, search one of my reports from 2 or 3 months ago when I was pleasantly surprised how negligible the uplift was to use a credit card. Be advised the charge appears as "Eros Spa" on your credit card bill. That doesn't work for certain family situations but it's no problem for me. I realized I did not have enough cash at a very late stage in the visit LOL!

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2483135]Had a rather nice encounter here. They display the girls on the 3rd floor but it seems they occupy the whole building. The lineup was about 14 girls with about 4 standouts. I chose Jimena. A 6'11" venny mulato beauty with shoulder length hair. The sheer enthusiasm, friendly attitude and sexual prowess blew me away. The charge is 60 k for an hour but I had to tip her extra for an outstanding performance.[/QUOTE]

I vote for a typo of 5'11", which is still a hell of a lot of woman.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2483204]6 feet 11 inches is a lot of woman. But great that you can bury your head between the knockers while you're still pounding away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2483183] Share with me sensible reasons to come when the rate of infection is so high.

.[/QUOTE]I guess it helps the decision when he is already immune.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2482900]It is the President's decision.[/QUOTE]In case you missed it, the president has already decided that Colombia will open for international flights in September. [URL]https://idm.presidencia.gov.co/prensa/Paginas/En-septiembre-tendremos-pilotos-de-vuelos-internacionales-Presidente-Duque-200830.aspx[/URL] I believe this is as unequivocal as it gets.

It is up to the states / cities to implement the details. You don't expect Duque to spend time managing the details of the resumption of international flights to Cartagena, do you?

OK, let's get back to the facts:

1. we know without a doubt that Duque has given the go-ahead to open Colombia for international flights in September. If you don't believe that given the source I included in this post, then we can stop this argument all at once; we view the world from a different educational background.

2. A mayor of a city mayor has officially said on camera that his city would open for international flights on 9/21; this is well within the president's directive. If you don't believe he is telling the truth, can you please enlighten us why a credible government official would make a bold statement like that on camera?

[URL]https://twitter.com/NoticiasRCN/status/1303133345358979072?s=20[/URL]

[URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/aeroctg?lang=en[/URL]

3. Every single major news media, diner, el Tiempo, Semana, and Cartagena airport's twitter account have confirmed the same news. If this is not true, what kind of evil power do you think is behind this?

[URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/el-21-de-septiembre-se-reanudan-los-vuelos-internacionales-en-cartagena[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dinero.com/pais/articulo/vuelos-internacionales-colombia-cartagena-recibira-vuelos-el-21-de-septiembre/299396[/URL]

[URL]https://www.semana.com/economia/articulo/vuelos-internacionales-pasajeros-tendra-que-presentar-prueba-pcr-para-covid/702435[/URL]

[URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/aeroctg?lang=en[/URL]

4. The two shortlisted airlines, spirit and viva, have not canceled their tickets on the 19th and the 21st yet; they typically cancel flights more than a week before they occur.

5. All of the unless credible sources such as blueradio and NoticiasCaracol all confirm the same news.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O_YjL-gcrDU[/URL]

[URL]https://simpleflying.com/colombia-international-flight-resumption/[/URL]

[URL]https://confidencialcolombia.com/en-las-regiones/primer-vuelo-internacional-de-barranquilla/2020/09/08/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.valoraanalitik.com/2020/09/10/viva-air-reactiva-los-vuelos-internacionales-desde-colombia-con-ruta-a-estados-unidos/[/URL]

[URL]https://torreeldorado.co/confirmada-la-primera-aerolinea-en-retornar-vuelos-a-colombia/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.financecolombia.com/viva-air-restarts-international-flights-september-19-with-miami-cartagena-route/[/URL]

6. Viva airline's official Twitter account confirms the same thing [URL]https://twitter.com/vivaaircol/status/1304164658350297089?s=21[/URL].

[URL]https://www.valoraanalitik.com/2020/09/10/viva-air-reactiva-los-vuelos-internacionales-desde-colombia-con-ruta-a-estados-unidos/[/URL]

Let's be real here; the evidence is overwhelming; I would love to hear people's opinions, as long as they bring facts on the table.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482824]I'm absolutely thinking about buying a penthouse in Provenza, the main concern for me is long term security. I don't want to have a permanent place in Medellin where all the girls can definitively find me. Every year, I will have to retire a good amount of 21 year-olds who turn 22, if they knew where I permanently live, then it create a whole host of issues. What's your thought on that?[/QUOTE]I know you did not ask me but I will throw my two cents in here. When you say "penthouse" it makes me think that you will be in a secure building with a door man or some type of security. Then you just tell them you are not home when said girls come. Most will call about any guest anyway but I doubt they are going to stalk your building or anything. My most pressing concern if I was buying a condo there would be whether I could get a chica up to my apartment if the buildings have some restrictions like most of the buildings rentals are in. Another thing to be damn careful about is this: you love the eighteen year olds, I assume because they are young and fresh looking (I do not have anything against them either) but you have to be damn careful about checking their cedulas because if she happens to be seventeen years and 363 days old, and say some neighbor calls the police (which from my understanding has happened before) even if she swears to the authorities that you did not have sex and they do not give you 14 years in prison, they will take your apartment in a heartbeat with no compensation. I have thought this through because I dabble with the ideal of someday retiring there myself and it would pay to have security but at the same time it just has to be a tolerant building for our hobby.

Outside of those concerns you also have to worry about getting charged "gringo prices", but I am not sure you can avoid that if you are buying a penthouse in Provenza.

According to this article, the first tourism flight to Medellin will start on September 23rd. Anyone who plans on going on this flights, please let us know the paly by play on the voyage. The route is Medellin / Cartagena / Miami. Here is the article: [URL]https://www.colombia.com/turismo/noticias/turismo-vuelos-internacionales-280289[/URL].

More importantly what are the rules?

What covid testing is acceptable to go in with? How recent should the test be? Will I be quarantined upon arrival? How will I be monitored if quarantine is necessary? Do I need a covid test when I want to leave? Am I allowed visitors if there are quarantine rules?

If someone knows a link to these questions please provide it. Please no opinions just facts at this point would be appreciated by all.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2483275]According to this article, the first tourism flight to Medellin will start on September 23rd. Anyone who plans on going on this flights, please let us know the paly by play on the voyage. The route is Medellin / Cartagena / Miami. Here is the article: [URL]https://www.colombia.com/turismo/noticias/turismo-vuelos-internacionales-280289[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483127]And I'm going to have to assume that you come every time as well, correct? Could you give us a break on all this silly nonsense you come up with please, albeit it's entertaining, but it's getting old. We have posters claiming there doing 6 girls a day, but 12.[/QUOTE]Surfer, he also thinks there are 50 hours in a day, so his 12 is really 6 when you account for the fact that there are only 24 hours in one day. BUT, I guess if you do enough hard drugs, one day can be 72 hours or even longer.

It is getting old and I wish he would stop. Bro, just book a flight when you know its open. Why you have booked 17 flights and been cancelled on every time is beyond me. It's not like you're going to get blocked from going. Flying to Florida and waiting there makes no sense either, what are you gaining by doing that, its not like there's a shortage of flights to Florida. When it's open, go, you don't need to update us on every single step.

"Today I booked another flight that was cancelled, then I brushed my teeth, and then I took a shit, then I booked another flight, it was also cancelled. Then I thought about shipping myself in a box through Fedex to Colombia, how long do you think I could survive in a box with no food and water? It would probably work? Right guys?

Next comment:

"I have a PhD AND a Masters, and so do all of my employees, but I understand most BM's are idiots. ".

Uh. Something's not adding up here.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2483183]Brazil is on my to do list. But I am thinking this is the wrong time because of the virus. Share with me sensible reasons to come when the rate of infection is so high..[/QUOTE]True, it may be the wrong time for you.

As for me, I know Rio and Sao Paulo very well, for about 15 years now.

I'll follow standard protocols for virus prevention, though I've already had it and recovered relatively easy.

I may even have immunity, T-cells, etc depending on who you ask / believe.

Life goes on, might as well enjoy it.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2483317]Surfer, he also thinks there are 50 hours in a day, so his 12 is really 6 when you account for the fact that there are only 24 hours in one day. BUT, I guess if you do enough hard drugs, one day can be 72 hours or even longer. [/QUOTE]There is a misunderstanding here. I already replied to Surfer's initial reply. I will put things in simpler terms next time so people don't get confused.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2483317] It is getting old and I wish he would stop. Bro, just book a flight when you know its open. Why you have booked 17 flights and been cancelled on every time is beyond me. It's not like you're going to get blocked from going. Flying to Florida and waiting there makes no sense either, what are you gaining by doing that, its not like there's a shortage of flights to Florida. When it's open, go, you don't need to update us on every single step.


"Today I booked another flight that was cancelled, then I brushed my teeth, and then I took a shit, then I booked another flight, it was also cancelled. Then I thought about shipping myself in a box through Fedex to Colombia, how long do you think I could survive in a box with no food and water? It would probably work? Right guys?[/QUOTE]Flying to Florida is necessary, there is only one early spirit flights per day out of FLL, and viva only fly once per day out of Miami. Have you ever traveled from California to the east coast? Do you have any idea how long it takes? You obviously are not badly wanting to go back to Medellin, the situation is quit dynamic, booking 7 times this month is because the supposed opening date / city changed many times.

As for the usefulness of my posts, I have two things to say, and a recommendation.

1. In my opinion, at the moment, in terms of Medellin-mongering related activities, the only useful thing to do for mongers who have been locked out of Medellin is to get back in. I offer real information and share the best source I can find on this topic. I believe these information is far more useful than the opinions expressed on the board regarding to the seriousness and herd immunity of the virus.

2. I have to admit, this board is a place for me to find connections to the naughty side of Medellin, I was cut off by this China virus right at my prime; In late February, I was 4 months into the mongering scene in Medellin, I've established solid connections with a set of wonderful girls, I was in love with the weather, the food and the people of Medellin. I'm aware sometimes my posts are a bit excessive, a side affect of covid; but this brings me to the recommendation.

3. In my experience, life is much more enjoyable if one avoids to complain on things that are totally irrelevant to them. If you are not interested in going to Medellin or what other people has to say, why not just ignore their post? I think you will be much more productive if you ignore things that are irrelevant to you and only focus on things that matters to you, spend your energy there. This is exactly what I'm doing, getting into Medellin is what matters to me, I going to put all my energy into it.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2483317]Next comment:

"I have a PhD AND a Masters, and so do all of my employees, but I understand most BM's are idiots. ".

Uh. Something's not adding up here.[/QUOTE]Let's drop this topic, no need to dwell on. Sorry I even brought it up, it shows a bit of the pretentiousness existed in the younger me that I'm still trying very hard to get rid of.

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2483135]Had a rather nice encounter here. They display the girls on the 3rd floor but it seems they occupy the whole building. The lineup was about 14 girls with about 4 standouts. I chose Jimena. A 6'11" venny mulato beauty with shoulder length hair. The sheer enthusiasm, friendly attitude and sexual prowess blew me away. The charge is 60 k for an hour but I had to tip her extra for an outstanding performance.[/QUOTE]That's 1 inch short of seven feet. Are you sure? In August last year I banged a tall Vennie mulata in NL named Coral, she was about 5' 11". Nice session.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483127]And I'm going to have to assume that you come every time as well, correct? Could you give us a break on all this silly nonsense you come up with please, albeit it's entertaining, but it's getting old. We have posters claiming there doing 6 girls a day, but 12.[/QUOTE]When you're blueballing it for an extended period of time you do think you can do 12 per day.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2483301]More importantly what are the rules?

What covid testing is acceptable to go in with? How recent should the test be? Will I be quarantined upon arrival? How will I be monitored if quarantine is necessary? Do I need a covid test when I want to leave? Am I allowed visitors if there are quarantine rules?

If someone knows a link to these questions please provide it. Please no opinions just facts at this point would be appreciated by all.[/QUOTE]Look at the video Kazeu linked to on the Cartagena forum. Flights TO Miami from CTG resume on the 19th on Spirit, but no flights approved to go into Colombia as of yet. Video said that no testing or quarantine would be required.

A chica of mine showed me an article that Viva is pushing hard to reopen flights particularly the Miami MDE route. We will see though.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2483264]I know you did not ask me but I will throw my two cents in here. When you say "penthouse" it makes me think that you will be in a secure building with a door man or some type of security. Then you just tell them you are not home when said girls come. Most will call about any guest anyway but I doubt they are going to stalk your building or anything. My most pressing concern if I was buying a condo there would be whether I could get a chica up to my apartment if the buildings have some restrictions like most of the buildings rentals are in. Another thing to be damn careful about is this: you love the eighteen year olds, I assume because they are young and fresh looking (I do not have anything against them either) but you have to be damn careful about checking their cedulas because if she happens to be seventeen years and 363 days old, and say some neighbor calls the police (which from my understanding has happened before) even if she swears to the authorities that you did not have sex and they do not give you 14 years in prison, they will take your apartment in a heartbeat with no compensation. I have thought this through because I dabble with the ideal of someday retiring there myself and it would pay to have security but at the same time it just has to be a tolerant building for our hobby.

Outside of those concerns you also have to worry about getting charged "gringo prices", but I am not sure you can avoid that if you are buying a penthouse in Provenza.[/QUOTE]As a property owner versus a renter, and being a foreigner, you will be under the microscope where you live until you gain the respect of the Portero's, building administrators, and other residents where you reside. Each building will have a written set of rules that all owners and their renters must adhere to. Perception is everything, and most Colombians are very religious and don't tolerate our hobby well. For a guy owning a Penthouse meaning on the top floor (s) of the building with security, checking of Cedulas by the Porteros of Chicas visiting is not going to happen nor be tolerated by the building administrator. As far as buying property, just because someone is a gringo doesn't mean they are going to be paying gringo prices if they are an experienced investor meaning they understand the market and the process associated with purchasing real estate in Colombia.

Well, I have a masters and PhD (not from a diploma mill) and I am in academia, teaching in a fairly practice disciplined. As bright as my colleagues are in their chosen fields, so many of them have zero common sense and struggle to live in the real world. I am so often perplexed regarding their view of the world. This often holds true for PhDs who work in non-academic settings also, based on my experience.

Years ago I saw a summary of an article from a journal on personality disorders. The article talked about the incidence of mental illness in PhDs and, at least in some fields, the proportion of PhDs with some personality disorder or mental illness was fairly significant. This was especially true in the arts and humanities, but also in the sciences. I wish I could find that article and cite specifics.

At any rate, clearly one's formal education has little to do with common sense or the ability to monger.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2483317]

Next comment:

"I have a PhD AND a Masters, and so do all of my employees, but I understand most BM's are idiots. ".

Uh. Something's not adding up here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2483353]Well, I have a masters and PhD (not from a diploma mill) and I am in academia, teaching in a fairly practice disciplined. As bright as my colleagues are in their chosen fields, so many of them have zero common sense and struggle to live in the real world. I am so often perplexed regarding their view of the world. This often holds true for PhDs who work in non-academic settings also, based on my experience.

Years ago I saw a summary of an article from a journal on personality disorders. The article talked about the incidence of mental illness in PhDs and, at least in some fields, the proportion of PhDs with some personality disorder or mental illness was fairly significant. This was especially true in the arts and humanities, but also in the sciences. I wish I could find that article and cite specifics.

At any rate, clearly one's formal education has little to do with common sense or the ability to monger.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amhcollective.com/2017/05/17/what-its-like-to-be-a-graduate-student-with-borderline-personality-disorder/[/URL]

She is outstanding. True pornstar. Jimena 34a-15 laureles

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483332]That's 1 inch short of seven feet. Are you sure? In August last year I banged a tall Vennie mulata in NL named Coral, she was about 5' 11". Nice session.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483186]Is that healthy, good question. Can somebody sustain that day in and day out, another good question. Is the guy going to come every time, no I don't think so. I can imagine doing 12 a day even being way older than SJobs, but it would entail an intavenous drip of viagra, so I can see getting hard, being able to penetrate a Chica every two hours, but it might actually be torture. A good day for me is four times a day and coming each time. Very doable and pleasurable. But I'm an old fart and suppose a young stud with a Harem could be pulling it off.

Imagine hundreds of years ago when rulers had Concubines and Harems, can you imagine being reincarnated and living in a palace with rooms full of young women at your beck and call. This is what SJobs is craving for, and I'm with him on this, albeit it will be on a much smaller scale than the Sultans of a bygone era.[/QUOTE]Dang to each his own but for me, as some of you may know, I have 2 Vennies (18 and 19 yo) that I took into my apartment 6 months ago when this China virus started.

For the first month and a half they would sleep with me but since then they have their own respective bedrooms and I choose which bedroom I want to visit and when, seriously great passionate sex on call, last night I took door #2 and took simply started massaging her back then 5 minutes later started what would become an hour long sex, passion off the charts, I pulled out my trusty bag of vibrators and pleased her and myself at the same time.

I can't make this stuff up.

Now I need to be mindful of the 18 yo as she needs attention which I will give her maybe this afternoon.

Imagine a truly civie girl, white skin, no baby's, perfect teeth and smile with dimples, no damn disgusting tattoos, no smoke, no drugs, drinks a little, has those perfect teenage be cup titties which I grab and suck on almost daily, and dresses like a model for Ambercrombie and Fitch and jumps around the apartment like a kid, damn cute. She is door #1. I feel like Monty Hall, hehehe.

No shit this does not get old and the sex and passion is even more intense than where it started 6 months ago. I also have had a few favorite paisa chicas over, no 3-some but rather for me to see every so often. The girls are fine with this and they actually get along well with them.

I do not pay them one peso but do give them room and food and take care of things they need like toothpaste and just yesterday my 18 yo wanted a haircut so I took her down to centro and she had a great cut for 20 mil.

Aside from this I do got out to centro often and also hit up a few of my ATF so things never get boring around here.

This morning the girl from door #2 cooked us all breakfast then the girl from door#1 cleaned the kitchen.

My door #1 girl is on PS4 right now sitting about 6 feet from me and I just sit and watch how those firm titties bounce around as she is playing Call of Duty, again you can't make this shit up.

I have about 100 Tinder girls that need some attention too, and from this group I have selected a half dozen who are primed and ready for my call. Just don't think I will ever need it. I have a few others, early 20's girls, cute and sweet as they come, almost begging with me to invite them over.

I took my girls to Jumbo yesterday for groceries, I am on the next isle over and they get guys coming up to them wanting their attention, they give them not the time of day as they both know that Daddy takes good care of them, which I do and as a reward I gave each a gift from Jumbo, door #1 girl wanted a special imported chocolate and my door #2 girl wanted a new hair brush. They both dress so cute and sexy but not overboard as they know that Daddy likes the natural look.

And this is from a guy who lives in a very modest apartment outside of Medellin who does not throw money around at these bitches and putas but rather is simply a good nice guy, my gawd I have done something right in life, have treated people with kindness to deserve these blessed days, heheheheh.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2483353]Well, I have a masters and PhD (not from a diploma mill) and I am in academia, teaching in a fairly practice disciplined. As bright as my colleagues are in their chosen fields, so many of them have zero common sense and struggle to live in the real world. I am so often perplexed regarding their view of the world. This often holds true for PhDs who work in non-academic settings also, based on my experience.

Years ago I saw a summary of an article from a journal on personality disorders. The article talked about the incidence of mental illness in PhDs and, at least in some fields, the proportion of PhDs with some personality disorder or mental illness was fairly significant. This was especially true in the arts and humanities, but also in the sciences. I wish I could find that article and cite specifics.

At any rate, clearly one's formal education has little to do with common sense or the ability to monger.[/QUOTE]You failed to mention what PhD stands for, piled high and deep. Not in your case though!

And for those with just HSD's (High School Diplomas), they should never under estimated. Some of the smartest people I have ever met have no more than an HSD.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2483331]As for the usefulness of my posts, I have two things to say, and a recommendation.[/QUOTE]I am happy to read your nonsense. It is only for a few more weeks, jaja. I hope you continue to post the good stuff blow by blow non-stop for at least 6 months after you arrive.

Here is a link.
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/286959741487861/permalink/1474154352768388/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483342]Each building will have a written set of rules that all owners and their renters must adhere to. Perception is everything, and most Colombians are very religious and don't tolerate our hobby well. [/QUOTE]Don't let anyone bully or intimidate you. It's legal to receive guests in your home.

There are good humble conservative religious people That many people like. But the arrogant judgmental Religious people that are often accusing good citizens of "Being agents of Satan" Are Looked down upon by a lot of Colombians. The Bible preaches forgiveness and not to judge your brothers. So some crazy rude idiot passing judgment is only pretending to be conservative and religious. These "pretenders" get a lot of hate in the media, online forms, cinema, etc For their irrational behavior.

Plus in this specific case the pretenders do not have the upper ground on morality. What is wrong with these people they like to say "you cannot do this" "you cannot do that. " But look what happens as a result of their policies. It is widely known that many priests who cannot get married or be with women have sexual relationships with men and often engage in illegal pedophilia with kids who work at the church. So obviously "the no sex policy" had some horrible consequences for the people that follow those guidelines. So why should anyone listen to these arrogant "pretenders"? They only smear the image of religion.

Take the example of Martin Luther he was a priest and he said "I can get married if I want" and he got married and he still priest.

Did someone "Affiliated" with religionsay not to use condoms? Would the world be a better place if no one used condoms?

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2483353]Well, I have a masters and PhD (not from a diploma mill) and I am in academia, teaching in a fairly practice disciplined. As bright as my colleagues are in their chosen fields, so many of them have zero common sense and struggle to live in the real world.

Years ago I saw a summary of an article from a journal on personality disorders. The article talked about the incidence of mental illness in PhDs and, at least in some fields, the proportion of PhDs with some personality disorder or mental illness was fairly significant.

At any rate, clearly one's formal education has little to do with common sense or the ability to monger.[/QUOTE]PhD in engineering may be good in mathematics. But there are other skills that for the most part are not taught in school or university.

A lot of things are meant to be learned outside of the education system. For example interpersonal communication skills, leadership skills, teamwork skills, creative problem skills, etiquette In business in everyday life, negotiation skills, Mental health awareness.

Does a PhD degree include the book that teaches you how to get what you want in the social arena without Generating conflict and also making sure the people around you are happy? Probably not checked the curriculum of electrical engineering doesn't include this type of knowledge.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2483415]PhD in engineering may be good in mathematics. But there are other skills that for the most part are not taught in school or university.

A lot of things are meant to be learned outside of the education system. For example interpersonal communication skills, leadership skills, teamwork skills, creative problem skills, etiquette In business in everyday life, negotiation skills, Mental health awareness.

Does a PhD degree include the book that teaches you how to get what you want in the social arena without Generating conflict and also making sure the people around you are happy? Probably not checked the curriculum of electrical engineering doesn't include this type of knowledge.[/QUOTE]The PhD training doesn't, but if you've founded startups, then all those skills are needed.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2483235]In case you missed it, the president has already decided that Colombia will open for international flights in September.[/QUOTE]Having international flights in place is necessary condition for people to travel there, but largely not sufficient. Many countries have international flights, but do not allow people to enter unless for "essential travel" and with quarantine. I understand both conditions are not a stop for you, and I wish you it will be enough. Keep us posted when you make it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483387]You failed to mention what PhD stands for, piled high and deep. Not in your case though!

And for those with just HSD's (High School Diplomas), they should never under estimated. Some of the smartest people I have ever met have no more than an HSD.[/QUOTE]Many times less is really is more.

Ala Bill Gates and Zuckerbergs university degrees LOL.

It seems the most over-rated "degrees" are the tech field and JD and all you attorneys that like to think you can argue here know its true LMAO.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2483413]Don't let anyone bully or intimidate you. It's legal to receive guests in your home.

There are good humble conservative religious people That many people like. But the arrogant judgmental Religious people that are often accusing good citizens of "Being agents of Satan" Are Looked down upon by a lot of Colombians. The Bible preaches forgiveness and not to judge your brothers. So some crazy rude idiot passing judgment is only pretending to be conservative and religious. These "pretenders" get a lot of hate in the media, online forms, cinema, etc For their irrational behavior.

Plus in this specific case the pretenders do not have the upper ground on morality. What is wrong with these people they like to say "you cannot do this" "you cannot do that. " But look what happens as a result of their policies. It is widely known that many priests who cannot get married or be with women have sexual relationships with men and often engage in illegal pedophilia with kids who work at the church. So obviously "the no sex policy" had some horrible consequences for the people that follow those guidelines. So why should anyone listen to these arrogant "pretenders"? They only smear the image of religion.

Take the example of Martin Luther he was a priest and he said "I can get married if I want" and he got married and he still priest.

Did someone "Affiliated" with religionsay not to use condoms? Would the world be a better place if no one used condoms?[/QUOTE]Some good points. While a lot of Colombians may be fairly religious, they also accept that people want to fuck around. It's expected that a man wants sex and will sometimes pay for it (prostitution is legal afterall). BUT, they also prefer it to be low-key. They don't like young, sleazily-dressed chicas being paraded in their faces (or in the hallways of their building).

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2483264]I know you did not ask me but I will throw my two cents in here. When you say "penthouse" it makes me think that you will be in a secure building with a door man or some type of security. Then you just tell them you are not home when said girls come. Most will call about any guest anyway but I doubt they are going to stalk your building or anything. My most pressing concern if I was buying a condo there would be whether I could get a chica up to my apartment if the buildings have some restrictions like most of the buildings rentals are in. Another thing to be damn careful about is this: you love the eighteen year olds, I assume because they are young and fresh looking (I do not have anything against them either) but you have to be damn careful about checking their cedulas because if she happens to be seventeen years and 363 days old, and say some neighbor calls the police (which from my understanding has happened before) even if she swears to the authorities that you did not have sex and they do not give you 14 years in prison, they will take your apartment in a heartbeat with no compensation. I have thought this through because I dabble with the ideal of someday retiring there myself and it would pay to have security but at the same time it just has to be a tolerant building for our hobby.

Outside of those concerns you also have to worry about getting charged "gringo prices", but I am not sure you can avoid that if you are buying a penthouse in Provenza.[/QUOTE]Thank you for these meaningful advice, I'm thinking along the same line. It's a first world problem, but it is nonetheless a real problem.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2483413]Don't let anyone bully or intimidate you. It's legal to receive guests in your home.

There are good humble conservative religious people That many people like. But the arrogant judgmental Religious people that are often accusing good citizens of "Being agents of Satan" Are Looked down upon by a lot of Colombians. The Bible preaches forgiveness and not to judge your brothers. So some crazy rude idiot passing judgment is only pretending to be conservative and religious. These "pretenders" get a lot of hate in the media, online forms, cinema, etc For their irrational behavior.

Plus in this specific case the pretenders do not have the upper ground on morality. What is wrong with these people they like to say "you cannot do this" "you cannot do that. " But look what happens as a result of their policies. It is widely known that many priests who cannot get married or be with women have sexual relationships with men and often engage in illegal pedophilia with kids who work at the church. So obviously "the no sex policy" had some horrible consequences for the people that follow those guidelines. So why should anyone listen to these arrogant "pretenders"? They only smear the image of religion.

Take the example of Martin Luther he was a priest and he said "I can get married if I want" and he got married and he still priest.

Did someone "Affiliated" with religionsay not to use condoms? Would the world be a better place if no one used condoms?[/QUOTE]Very well put.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2483462]Thank you for these meaningful advice, I'm thinking along the same line. It's a first world problem, but it is nonetheless a real problem.[/QUOTE]Hope you make it there bro, and look forward to reading your adventures.

On one of the previous trips, I hooked up with an instagram chicka in Medellin. She has a banging bod and a cute face, but the sex was not great. She was dead fish. I still follow her on Instagram, and have seen her photos without makeup. At least to me she looks fugly without makeup. Anyone had similar experiences?

[QUOTE=MMHikeus;2483467]On one of the previous trips, I hooked up with an instagram chicka in Medellin. She has a banging bod and a cute face, but the sex was not great. She was dead fish. I still follow her on Instagram, and have seen her photos without makeup. At least to me she looks fugly without makeup. Anyone had similar experiences?[/QUOTE]Yes, all of my life. I began to develop my "x-ray vision " for make-up as an early adult. Its crucial in my opinion. Gaining experience seeing individual women, of different ethnicities and skin types, with and without make -up will really build your analysis skills. Furthermore, their trickery is magnified greatly in the realm of photos and video. The most beautiful women are alluring without make-up. When you see a woman in a lot of make-up, your first question is "what is she hiding, and why?" proceed with suspicion from there. Sometimes its just insecurity, often more than that though.

A woman looking quite different without make-up should never be a surprise.. "expect the expected"

Why are so many strip clubs so damned dimly lit? Well, I think you know the answer.

Now, don't get me started on the geometric illusions of tall shoes/heels. I'll just say this, if you find a girl who looks hot in very flat shoes... strongly consider keeping her.

[QUOTE=MMHikeus;2483467]On one of the previous trips, I hooked up with an instagram chicka in Medellin. She has a banging bod and a cute face, but the sex was not great. She was dead fish. I still follow her on Instagram, and have seen her photos without makeup. At least to me she looks fugly without makeup. Anyone had similar experiences?[/QUOTE]Did you just discover this phenomenon? Most girls don't look as good without makeup, and especially when it's a photo. In person, frequently the difference isn't as stark. But photos can be cruel and capture things you don't notice when you're in person.

After boning hundreds of pros in the last 20+ years (and 100's of non-pros in the preceding 20 years), I have concluded there's no correlation between looks and performance. Some chicas are just beasts in the bedroom and some are just dead fish. That said, pros in Colombia are usually on point. Pros in Brasil are even more on point.

Back to the fooled-by-photos/make-up thing. To me the biggest thing a chica can do to cover up undesirable qualities is what she has over her lower abdomen. It's always a let down to be with a hot-looking girl and then you pull down her pants to uncover really ugly baby damage. That's the great thing about the FKKs where you see them walking around completely naked.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2483470]Yes, all of my life. I began to develop my "x-ray vision " for make-up as an early adult. Its crucial in my opinion. Gaining experience seeing individual women, of different ethnicities and skin types, with and without make -up will really build your analysis skills. Furthermore, their trickery is magnified greatly in the realm of photos and video. The most beautiful women are alluring without make-up. When you see a woman in a lot of make-up, your first question is "what is she hiding, and why?" proceed with suspicion from there. Sometimes its just insecurity, often more than that though.

A woman looking quite different without make-up should never be a surprise.. "expect the expected"

Why are so many strip clubs so damned dimly lit? Well, I think you know the answer.

Now, don't get me started on the geometric illusions of tall shoes/heels. I'll just say this, if you find a girl who looks hot in very flat shoes... strongly consider keeping her.[/QUOTE]Make-up is a fraud.

IMO if not for booze and make up most women would never have sex.

And without dim lighting most strip clubs wouldn't last 2 minutes.

BTW I don't drink alcohol LOL.

Can you imagine what all those webcam girls look like in the morning.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2483386]Dang to each his own but for me, as some of you may know, I have 2 Vennies (18 and 19 yo) that I took into my apartment 6 months ago when this China virus started.

I took my girls to Jumbo yesterday for groceries, I am on the next isle over and they get guys coming up to them wanting their attention, they give them not the time of day as they both know that Daddy takes good care of them, which I do and as a reward I gave each a gift from Jumbo, door #1 girl wanted a special imported chocolate and my door #2 girl wanted a new hair brush. They both dress so cute and sexy but not overboard as they know that Daddy likes the natural look.

And this is from a guy who lives in a very modest apartment outside of Medellin who does not throw money around at these bitches and putas but rather is simply a good nice guy, my gawd I have done something right in life, have treated people with kindness to deserve these blessed days, heheheheh.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if you should be referred to as the "Big Kahuna" or the "Sultan" of Medellin in this moment of time, at least until SJobs makes it back into town, but I suppose you deserve to rein as both for the time being!

I can just see you in Jumbo walking the aisles. This 60 something Grandpa in tow with his two 20 something tarts in tow.

And the local Colombian guys in the store sniffing around, wanting some of it, and probably not imagining that Grandpa may be bare-backing and cream pie-ing these tarts.

It doesn't get much better than this, enjoy it while it lasts!

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2483408]Here is a link.
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/286959741487861/permalink/1474154352768388/[/URL][/QUOTE]This is a Facebook link requiring access to a private group. Would you care to summarize what it says? Thanks.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2483470]A woman looking quite different without make-up should never be a surprise.. "expect the expected"

Why are so many strip clubs so damned dimly lit? Well, I think you know the answer.

Now, don't get me started on the geometric illusions of tall shoes/heels. I'll just say this, if you find a girl who looks hot in very flat shoes... strongly consider keeping her.[/QUOTE]I don't even allow women to come over with make-up on. And if they do then I have a gang of make-up wipes and send them to the bathroom to take it off. I like a natural looking woman. A couple of board members I know are the complete opposite. They get upset if a woman shows up not looking like she is headed to an awards show.

Don't get me started on those damn shoes. I do not understand the purpose of them. Those shits look so goofy to me. I will never pick a chick that has those shoes on so that automatically extremely narrows the pool for me when I am at a fuck club.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2483470]Yes, all of my life. I began to develop my "x-ray vision " for make-up as an early adult. Its crucial in my opinion. Gaining experience seeing individual women, of different ethnicities and skin types, with and without make -up will really build your analysis skills. Furthermore, their trickery is magnified greatly in the realm of photos and video. The most beautiful women are alluring without make-up. When you see a woman in a lot of make-up, your first question is "what is she hiding, and why?" proceed with suspicion from there. Sometimes its just insecurity, often more than that though.

A woman looking quite different without make-up should never be a surprise.. "expect the expected"

Why are so many strip clubs so damned dimly lit? Well, I think you know the answer.

Now, don't get me started on the geometric illusions of tall shoes/heels. I'll just say this, if you find a girl who looks hot in very flat shoes... strongly consider keeping her.[/QUOTE]I understand that there is a bit of difference with and without makeup. I have overnighted with girls and seen them without makeup, and few blemishes of the skin tone etc. Don't bother me. The chick I am talking about, really jarred me because, she really has a banging body with the most firm ass and tits, and a flat tummy. Her face without makeup is without eyebrows or eyelashes, her nose bridge is much broader and the cheekbones and not as defined. The shape of the eyes is totally different. That sum total made her look fugly. Now, seeing her again with makeup, I can see how she is able to change her features.

As for as the shoes, I think they wear the heals to make their ass and calf muscles look more toned.

[QUOTE=Combo;2483477]Did you just discover this phenomenon? Most girls don't look as good without makeup, and especially when it's a photo. In person, frequently the difference isn't as stark. But photos can be cruel and capture things you don't notice when you're in person.

After boning hundreds of pros in the last 20+ years (and 100's of non-pros in the preceding 20 years), I have concluded there's no correlation between looks and performance. Some chicas are just beasts in the bedroom and some are just dead fish. That said, pros in Colombia are usually on point. Pros in Brasil are even more on point.

Back to the fooled-by-photos/make-up thing. To me the biggest thing a chica can do to cover up undesirable qualities is what she has over her lower abdomen. It's always a let down to be with a hot-looking girl and then you pull down her pants to uncover really ugly baby damage. That's the great thing about the FKKs where you see them walking around completely naked.[/QUOTE]I expect some difference without makeup, but this one time, the change was waay too much.

About the tummy baby damage, I think some of it is due to the see-section delivery. In USA, the surgical line is parallel to the ground, runs under the fold or in the crease of the tummy. In Mexico and Colombia, they seem cut vertically from the navel to the top of the mound of venus. That leaves a very visible scar.

Also, some girls are naturally shy about their abdomen area. I was with a girl who had a banging body with fantastic tits and ass. Probably one of the most perfect pairs of naturals I have seen. She has a very slight bulge in her lower abdomen. She would never get completely naked for me. She would always cover her her abdomen with a towel etc. Thinking of her, she has one of the best BJ skills, she would literally suck me dry multiple times till I can't take it. Also, once she is turned on she gets a bit rough and starts deep kissing and biting my lip etc. God, I miss her. Her number went dark during the shutdown. Hopefully, I will reconnect with her.

Anyway, I have to make do with memories till I can get back to the land of these dreams LOL.

No guesses, no predictions, no pre-COVID past experiences. Has anyone here with an American passport gotten on a jet in Miami or Fort Lauderdale, and gotten off the jet in Medellin without any problems since the crisis began? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2483497]This is a Facebook link requiring access to a private group. Would you care to summarize what it says? Thanks.[/QUOTE]International flights to Colombia can not be more than 3 hrs for now. Miami to Colombia is about 3 hours

[QUOTE=Nounce;2483600]International flights to Colombia can not be more than 3 hrs for now. Miami to Colombia is about 3 hours[/QUOTE]If this is true it bodes well for American, Spirit, and COPA to Medellin.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2482824]I'm absolutely thinking about buying a penthouse in Provenza, the main concern for me is long term security. I don't want to have a permanent place in Medellin where all the girls can definitively find me. Every year, I will have to retire a good amount of 21 year-olds who turn 22, if they knew where I permanently live, then it create a whole host of issues. What's your thought on that? ... All very valid points, I'm thinking about the same thing. I will most likely be renting and moving around for awhile. I don't want to start buying properties in Medellin until I figure out how to handle retired chicas, regardless how attractive the offer is.[/QUOTE]SJobs, I didn't really consider this. There are two views: 1) the portero / security gives you a nice layer of protection, or 2) no portero is stopping some chica and 3 sicarios from getting by him to come ransack your place, rough you up, or worse. I've never used a love motel in Medellin, but that could be in the cards if I were to buy a place, here. It's a catch-22. You'd want to lure some hotties to your nice penthouse, but you've got to be careful about potentially untrustworthy people knowing too much about you. Imagine how easy it would be for a girl to make a long-term play, become tight with you, get a spare key made somehow, you're following each other on social media, she knows when you're out of the country, and you come back to an empty apartment. Of course, that would be much better than another scenario of you being in the penthouse when they arrive. This won't scare me away, but it does help me take a different view in an attempt to be as safe as possible.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2482929]Not a bad time to be putting in a lowball offer.[/QUOTE]My contractor guy talked to the lady that owns the penthouse, and told me to just offer her 850 million why ya! 100 million discount. I said, ya that's great, but maybe her asking price of 950 should be 650, then how does my discount look?! I'm going to try to get some lists from realtors to see if I can gauge the market. I'm thinking a penthouse for 800 million + 200 million in furnishing, facelift, etc. Is a decent price for what I'd be getting. I think 3 months a year of rental could be about 12 k USD, as the times I would be likely to rent coincide with the tourism high-seasons, here.

Has anyone obtained a Resident Visa by way of purchasing real estate?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2483050]There must be a reason if all local men, including single, bring their lovers and paid girlfriends to short-time hotels and never at home. Right?[/QUOTE]This is a veteran point.

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2483135]Had a rather nice encounter here. They display the girls on the 3rd floor but it seems they occupy the whole building. The lineup was about 14 girls with about 4 standouts. I chose Jimena. A 6'11" venny mulato beauty with shoulder length hair. The sheer enthusiasm, friendly attitude and sexual prowess blew me away. The charge is 60 k for an hour but I had to tip her extra for an outstanding performance.[/QUOTE]The Peso / Inch cost here is fantastic!

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483617]SJobs, I didn't really consider this. There are two views: 1) the portero / security gives you a nice layer of protection, or 2) no portero is stopping some chica and 3 sicarios from getting by him to come ransack your place, rough you up, or worse. I've never used a love motel in Medellin, but that could be in the cards if I were to buy a place, here. It's a catch-22. You'd want to lure some hotties to your nice penthouse, but you've got to be careful about potentially untrustworthy people knowing too much about you. Imagine how easy it would be for a girl to make a long-term play, become tight with you, get a spare key made somehow, you're following each other on social media, she knows when you're out of the country, and you come back to an empty apartment. Of course, that would be much better than another scenario of you being in the penthouse when they arrive. This won't scare me away, but it does help me take a different view in an attempt to be as safe as possible.

My contractor guy talked to the lady that owns the penthouse, and told me to just offer her 850 million why ya! 100 million discount. I said, ya that's great, but maybe her asking price of 950 should be 650, then how does my discount look?! I'm going to try to get some lists from realtors to see if I can gauge the market. I'm thinking a penthouse for 800 million + 200 million in furnishing, facelift, etc. Is a decent price for what I'd be getting. I think 3 months a year of rental could be about 12 k USD, as the times I would be likely to rent coincide with the tourism high-seasons, here.[/QUOTE]While people are making plans here's an idea: either solo or together:

Just buy a whole building with 40 or so apartments in it. Live in the top floor penthouse and rent out the other units with gap days in between when they are empty. Then bring the girls back to the other apartments when those aren't being rented. And let the chicas think you are renting the apartment you session in while you secretly live on another floor in the place you own. If oyu see a chica more than once-in different apartments-just tell her there was a problem so the owners moved you (technically, not a lie: the problem is you don't trust hookers and you are the owner-so, you moved you).

You can rig the elevator to not even show access or that there even is the secret floor you actually live on.

You can then hire your own security to take care of things and protect you.

The girls who figure out something is up would have to follow you outside the property to do something to you.

This can happen anyway.

You can make a ton of money managing the rental units in your building.

One day you can sell the building for a huge profit.

Call your building the Gringo Hotel. Rent some apartments on the even # floors to hot sexy girls who get paid to play and rent the odd numbered floors out to BMs and gringos. -Put a bar on the bottom floor. And build the Mansion on steroids but done right with the girls living on site, the guys on site, and you have a secret floor nobody knows about. Just go all the way!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483342]Perception is everything, and most Colombians are very religious and don't tolerate our hobby well..[/QUOTE]Agree that for most Colombians perception is everything and yes they are religious at face value, heck even Escobar and just about every hit man were very religious, did the sign of the cross, attended mass, had certain saints that they gave offerings to so they would be protected as they went out to murder, yes all very religious indeed. There is a marked difference between being religious and being spiritual.

Now your next statement can not be so far from the mark, agreed that in public when they are with family and close friends and in the family gatherings they appear to be religiously devoted to their families and kids and keeping up with the appearance of being morally right but when that is removed they are dogs worse than most of the horniest mongers that you could find on these boards, myself included.

It has been reported that 80% of every woman in Colombia has accepted money / gifts for sex (prostitution) at some point in their life. I believe this statistic. Next, look at the statistic of the age that girls have sex, alarming and the result is that Colombia has about the youngest age for pregnant single mothers. Throughout just the past 10 years I have met dozens of single mothers with children whom they gave birth at when they were 12 to 15 years old, just normal life here.

The rate of adultery for both men and woman is also about the highest in South America. Why do you think that the word grilla has taken on such a profound meaning? It is normal for a 20 to 45 year old woman to have many men at the same time. These are facts, I don't judge them as it is just the way it is.

Now don't get me started on the number of incest victims from these religious fathers, step-fathers, uncles and others here in Colombia. I have first hand knowledge of the depth and extent of this horrible crime and rarely ever gets talked about, again keeping the appearance of a very religious community and country.

So yes in order to keep with the perception buildings have policy's. I respect these policys as I too have these in place in my apartment however we never know what goes on behind closed doors!

Just my rant for the day as NO ONE wants to stay on the topic of pussy, hehehehe.

Much love and respect to all.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483617]You'd want to lure some hotties to your nice penthouse, but you've got to be careful about potentially untrustworthy people knowing too much about you.[/QUOTE]That is why you catch and release. You don't cozy up to every Tina, Diana, and Hooker calling them your friend. You remain unpredictable to people and you don't do illegal shit around them.

[QUOTE=Black Page;2483050]There must be a reason if all local men, including single, bring their lovers and paid girlfriends to short-time hotels and never at home. Right?[/QUOTE]I would think it is more so that in the Latin American culture people tend to live with family until they are married, hence the love motels. I have had no problems staying at the houses or apartments of chicks that did happen to live alone.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483617]SJobs, I didn't really consider this. There are two views: 1) the portero / security gives you a nice layer of protection, or 2) no portero is stopping some chica and 3 sicarios from getting by him to come ransack your place, rough you up, or worse. I've never used a love motel in Medellin, but that could be in the cards if I were to buy a place, here. It's a catch-22. You'd want to lure some hotties to your nice penthouse, but you've got to be careful about potentially untrustworthy people knowing too much about you. Imagine how easy it would be for a girl to make a long-term play, become tight with you, get a spare key made somehow, you're following each other on social media, she knows when you're out of the country, and you come back to an empty apartment. Of course, that would be much better than another scenario of you being in the penthouse when they arrive. This won't scare me away, but it does help me take a different view in an attempt to be as safe as possible.![/QUOTE]This is a real issue that I have some experience with, albeit nobody will be emptying out your apartment in front of the Porteros while your absent. Having a nice place with all the amenities and wanting to party with Chicas you like in your place is hard to resist and in the past I have been very cautious and hence have ended up in the Love Motels frequently over your very concerns. And as far as the Love Motels, there okay for a few hours and an occasional overnighter, but sparse on amenities. Anyone considering buying an apartment in Medellin should think twice about buying in a building with no Portero's. I have a friend who bought a place in Laureles and is frightened to bring Chicas there for all the reasons you mentioned, albeit he does on occasion, but is looking to move over your concerns.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2483650]That is why you catch and release. You don't cozy up to every Tina, Diana, and Hooker calling them your friend. You remain unpredictable to people and you don't do illegal shit around them.

I would think it is more so that in the Latin American culture people tend to live with family until they are married, hence the love motels. I have had no problems staying at the houses or apartments of chicks that did happen to live alone.[/QUOTE]Mr. E lots of guys don't roll like you on this board. They like having Chicas in the confines of their apartment versus using the Love Motels. I'm a switch hitter, I do both as appropriate and where I feel comfortable depending on whom I'm with.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483617]My contractor guy talked to the lady that owns the penthouse, and told me to just offer her 850 million why ya! 100 million discount. I said, ya that's great, but maybe her asking price of 950 should be 650, then how does my discount look?! I'm going to try to get some lists from realtors to see if I can gauge the market. I'm thinking a penthouse for 800 million + 200 million in furnishing, facelift, etc. Is a decent price for what I'd be getting. I think 3 months a year of rental could be about 12 k USD, as the times I would be likely to rent coincide with the tourism high-seasons, here.[/QUOTE]Using realtors to look for properties for you can be problematic, especially for foreigners. There are numerous websites like FINCARAIZ and others which will have most of the properties for sale in town and all of the SM costs, etc. Buying real estate in Colombia is like the wild west. The sellers will have multiple agents trying to sell their properties and at different listed prices, you will will even see the same properties on different websites with varying prices. Another issue is that there are no escrow companies, this is all handled by attorneys. Lots of gringo's get burnt as a result of not having a good attorney to do all the due diligence, and bringing USD into Colombia is another issue as well.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2483641]It has been reported that 80% of every woman in Colombia has accepted money / gifts for sex (prostitution) at some point in their life. I believe this statistic. [/QUOTE]Please cite the source.

P.S. "I read it in a monger forum" or "some monger told me" or "all women are working girls anyway" doesn't count.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483669]Using realtors to look for properties for you can be problematic, especially for foreigners. There are numerous websites like FINCARAIZ and others which will have most of the properties for sale in town and all of the SM costs, etc. Buying real estate in Colombia is like the wild west. The sellers will have multiple agents trying to sell their properties and at different listed prices, you will will even see the same properties on different websites with varying prices. Another issue is that there are no escrow companies, this is all handled by attorneys. Lots of gringo's get burnt as a result of not having a good attorney to do all the due diligence, and bringing USD into Colombia is another issue as well.[/QUOTE]I've been waiting out COVID in the US with plans to move to Medellin when things open up and normalize. Haven't felt much of a need, nor saw much value, to speculating to the broader group here as to when that might happen or how many chicas I'm going to make acquaintances with. Once I land, that'll be a different story. Anyways, I've been looking at properties online, mostly on Casacol, to potentially purchase. This was an incredibly helpful bit of information. In about five minutes, I found two properties on each of Casacol and FINCARAIZ with materially different prices (4400 million vs 4035 million, and 2650 million vs 2350 milllion). There are others I recognize on FINCARAIZ, I just didn't immediately find them on Casacol (or LIV or Life Afar). It has given me additional perspective on the purchase situation in Colombia and how I need to be vigilant. Thanks for this, Surfer.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2483650]I would think it is more so that in the Latin American culture people tend to live with family until they are married, hence the love motels. I have had no problems staying at the houses or apartments of chicks that did happen to live alone.[/QUOTE]Ok, then let me switch perspective.

You are a well navigated man, with years of experience in both Asia and Colombia and Latin America. You are not married. You do not live with family nearby. You enjoy your spare time.

Then, Mr. E. , should you live your regular life in Medellin for at least one year if not longer, would YOU take your uninterrupted flow of paid girls, from all barrios of Greater Medellin, TO YOUR OWN HOME APARTMENT??

I bet you would not, even should you own all the condo and nobody else would live there. You are too intelligent and experienced to need me to explain why. It would be just crazy.

These have been very informative posts. My thought has been leasing a place for a year. I don't plan to be there year round but I would like a place in the laureles estadio area with security. The girls don't have to know I have it for the year This way when I leave to go back to the USA there is no issue. As far as they are concerned I left which is true. When I get back and I want to see them I just tell them I am at the same place again. They don't need to know your personal schedule. I have been working remotely since March. I probably will be doing so for the foreseeable future so as long as I have good WiFi In a safe area I am in heaven.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483662]This is a real issue that I have some experience with, albeit nobody will be emptying out your apartment in front of the Porteros while your absent. Having a nice place with all the amenities and wanting to party with Chicas you like in your place is hard to resist and in the past I have been very cautious and hence have ended up in the Love Motels frequently over your very concerns. And as far as the Love Motels, there okay for a few hours and an occasional overnighter, but sparse on amenities. Anyone considering buying an apartment in Medellin should think twice about buying in a building with no Portero's. I have a friend who bought a place in Laureles and is frightened to bring Chicas there for all the reasons you mentioned, albeit he does on occasion, but is looking to move over your concerns.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483664]Mr. E lots of guys don't roll like you on this board. They like having Chicas in the confines of their apartment versus using the Love Motels. I'm a switch hitter, I do both as appropriate and where I feel comfortable depending on whom I'm with.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to get a feel for which buildings (with AirBnb listings) in Medellin with porteros tend to be more permissive (read: lax) about allowing numerous random visitors without making too much of a headache for us. Does anyone have shareable intel? I tend to stick to Poblado but even a little further south in Envigado might be worth checking out.

Sidenote: I've had zero issues bringing visitors to my room while staying at several hotels in Poblado (Intercontinental, Affinity, BH, Holiday Inn, Binn).

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483669]Using realtors to look for properties for you can be problematic, especially for foreigners. There are numerous websites like FINCARAIZ and others which will have most of the properties for sale in town and all of the SM costs, etc. Buying real estate in Colombia is like the wild west. The sellers will have multiple agents trying to sell their properties and at different listed prices, you will will even see the same properties on different websites with varying prices. Another issue is that there are no escrow companies, this is all handled by attorneys. Lots of gringo's get burnt as a result of not having a good attorney to do all the due diligence, and bringing USD into Colombia is another issue as well.[/QUOTE]This is definitely a concern of mine. Comparing it to my Vegas condo, this deal is fantastic. Maybe 60 k USD less, 3 more bedrooms, same quality view, similar amenities (although the gym and pool in Vegas are much better / bigger), monthly rental income should be double, or more, here. I had a realtor in my current rental, today, telling me 2 billion pesos for what I'm looking for. Made me smile about this other deal I'm in on. When I explained it to her, she asked if she could come see it with me. She was obviously trying to weasel in, somehow.

I checked out the penthouse, today, in-depth. Took a contractor over and a couple friends. The owner wants to sell quickly, and even explained she could lower the "sale price" to help with the taxes, then I could give her cash. She's a tax attorney, so maybe it's worth looking into. It would take a lot of work to make this place a combination of a home and a great gringo penthouse rental. I think we had some great ideas, today, though.

Anyhow, if anyone has purchased property here, I'd love to get a PM and discuss. I can do all the research on Google, but it's always nice to hear it from some one else that has the experience. My friend who is very artistic came over and said she couldn't live there because it's too elegant, but she thinks it would be a paradise for renters. That kind of hit home, and I will need to put some thought into how to make it comfortable, without taking away from the rental potential. No shared walls, two-stories with the huge new jacuzzi upstairs. It really is a renter's paradise. I have a feeling SJobs and I will be coordinating our calendars at some point in the future.

Tall Man, I fucking LOVE the anticipation of when you will drop the Abercrombie & Fitch reference in your posts. You're killing it! Such a great setup, and I'm sure you'll be telling stories of 2020 for years to come.

1. I try my best to stay away from giving advice about marriage or real estate unless it's urgent. Please slapshot, please do your best to forget about your Vegas condo and condos anywhere beyond greater Medellin when you are negotiating real estate deals in Medellin.

2. +1 about the Abercrombie & Fitch references. They would not resonate with me even back in the early 1990's when I lived in America. They are easier me to ignore than continuous repetition that "she is white". It is veering well past the personal preference / obsession range into the disappointing and problematic Grand Wizard zone. I don't doubt there is a cohort of Stormfront and 8 chan lurkers on here but they co-exist peacefully by staying on topic.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483722]This is definitely a concern of mine. Comparing it to my Vegas condo, this deal is fantastic. Maybe 60 k USD less, 3 more bedrooms, same quality view, similar amenities (although the gym and pool in Vegas are much better / bigger), monthly rental income should be double, or more, here. I had a realtor in my current rental, today, telling me 2 billion pesos for what I'm looking for. Made me smile about this other deal I'm in on. When I explained it to her, she asked if she could come see it with me. She was obviously trying to weasel in, somehow.

I checked out the penthouse, today, in-depth. Took a contractor over and a couple friends. The owner wants to sell quickly, and even explained she could lower the "sale price" to help with the taxes, then I could give her cash. She's a tax attorney, so maybe it's worth looking into. It would take a lot of work to make this place a combination of a home and a great gringo penthouse rental. I think we had some great ideas, today, though..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2483705]Then, Mr. E. , should you live your regular life in Medellin for at least one year if not longer, would YOU take your uninterrupted flow of paid girls, from all barrios of Greater Medellin, TO YOUR OWN HOME APARTMENT??

I bet you would not, even should you own all the condo and nobody else would live there. You are too intelligent and experienced to need me to explain why. It would be just crazy.[/QUOTE]When I say it out loud and common sense tells me it is a dumb idea. But experience tells me there is no problem with it. I do it in Thailand and I did it when I was in Rio. The vast majority of my friends in mongering destinations do it. I can count on one hand the guys I know that live somewhere without a significant other that only take chicks to motels. And nobody has a bad story about it yet. My best friend in Medellin brings them 2 at a time to his place.

Funny that I would not do it at my place in the States where I have security cameras (even pointed at my bed) and tons of guns, but I would do it overseas where the only protection I have is an electronic security door. Make that make sense.

[QUOTE=PlayerHater;2483710]I'm trying to get a feel for which buildings (with AirBnb listings) in Medellin with porteros tend to be more permissive (read: lax) about allowing numerous random visitors without making too much of a headache for us. Does anyone have shareable intel? I tend to stick to Poblado but even a little further south in Envigado might be worth checking out.

Sidenote: I've had zero issues bringing visitors to my room while staying at several hotels in Poblado (Intercontinental, Affinity, BH, Holiday Inn, Binn).[/QUOTE]I think it's the owners that make the rules. Porteros will handle it how the owner wants.

Most of the airbnb's that I have stayed in in Medellin were not guest friendly. In fact, all that I have actually booked through Airbnb have been guest "unfriendly".

If I'd have considered buying a condo out of capital I can walk away from at any time, then maybe do it through a Panamanian corp. Never tell anyone you own this corp, just say you lease the condo. Girls go to motels only, do as locals in LA do. Please decouple this decision from a visa, you don't need a visa anyway. An honest answer why do you need to purchase real estate is a must, better in writing with numbers attached, and once you do it, usually the purchase makes no sense, you get illiquid property, pesos instead of dollars etc.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2483760]Most of the airbnb's that I have stayed in in Medellin were not guest friendly. In fact, all that I have actually booked through Airbnb have been guest "unfriendly".[/QUOTE]All of my times in Medellin have been the total opposite. I have mainly stayed at the Soul Lifestyle Apartments (Poblado) and the San Peter (Laureles). They need a cedula and that is it.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2483727]1. I try my best to stay away from giving advice about marriage or real estate unless it's urgent. Please slapshot, please do your best to forget about your Vegas condo and condos anywhere beyond greater Medellin when you are negotiating real estate deals in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Care to elaborate on this? My point was the equity sitting in Las Vegas for a place I'm not at full-time, and can only rent out with a 12-mo lease, could easily be moved into this penthouse. Nonetheless, I'd be interested if you have more information or opinion to share on the topic.

[QUOTE=Questner;2483773]If I'd have considered buying a condo out of capital I can walk away from at any time, then maybe do it through a Panamanian corp. Never tell anyone you own this corp, just say you lease the condo. Girls go to motels only, do as locals in LA do. Please decouple this decision from a visa, you don't need a visa anyway. An honest answer why do you need to purchase real estate is a must, better in writing with numbers attached, and once you do it, usually the purchase makes no sense, you get illiquid property, pesos instead of dollars etc.[/QUOTE]The visa is directly tied to the idea of being here more than 180 days in a year. An investor visa, which is far less in terms of the capital amount, has certain restrictions such as the inability to leave the country for more than a 6-month period. In case of an emergency at home, or all out chaos in Colombia, I would prefer the 2-year window. It also converts to citizenship after 5 years, which has the amazing benefit of going to Russia without a visa! Ok, I haven't really considered the benefits of dual citizenship, yet.

The illiquidity, pesos, etc., makes sense. However, if I'm living here, and can make a 2-3% ROI while living in the unit 9 months a year (more if I was flexible about leaving any time I got a good offer), it would be ok. Then, add in potential appreciation, strengthening of the peso, added value in the remodel, etc. And maybe it makes a bit more sense. I don't know. It's definitely going to take some more thought and planning, but on the surface it seems to be a good deal.

If it turned into simply an investment, and was making $18-20 k per year, it would be solid. Of course, getting the money out in a pinch would be a hassle.

I appreciate the thoughts. I'm soaking it all in, for now, as I go through my due diligence.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483798]Then, add in potential appreciation, strengthening of the peso[/QUOTE]The recent history has not been kind to peso. Do you think Colombia opens up is due to the pandemic under control or for economic reason?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2483869]The recent history has not been kind to peso. Do you think Colombia opens up is due to the pandemic under control or for economic reason?[/QUOTE]Lazy typing. That was not to say it would happen. It could go the other way, of course. I just meant to say it is a possibility that could have a positive (or negative) effect on the value.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno202;2483790]All of my times in Medellin have been the total opposite. I have mainly stayed at the Soul Lifestyle Apartments (Poblado) and the San Peter (Laureles). They need a cedula and that is it.[/QUOTE]Right. I've also stayed at San Peter, and as I didn't book through Airbnb I didn't consider it one of my Airbnb stays. It is certainly visitor friendly. I also have stayed at cheaper Airbnb places in Laureles - 3 or 4, and other parts of the city and these are the ones that are not visitor friendly. But, if you're booking condo apartments, etc. Your chances are better. It is just that you need to confirm before hand whether you can have visitors. And lots of them have a section in their rules section about it (on the Airbnb listing). That's the place to start, and if needed follow it up with an enquiry to the owner before you book.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483798]Care to elaborate on this? My point was the equity sitting in Las Vegas for a place I'm not at full-time, and can only rent out with a 12-mo lease, could easily be moved into this penthouse. Nonetheless, I'd be interested if you have more information or opinion to share on the topic.

The visa is directly tied to the idea of being here more than 180 days in a year. An investor visa, which is far less in terms of the capital amount, has certain restrictions such as the inability to leave the country for more than a 6-month period. In case of an emergency at home, or all out chaos in Colombia, I would prefer the 2-year window. It also converts to citizenship after 5 years, which has the amazing benefit of going to Russia without a visa! Ok, I haven't really considered the benefits of dual citizenship, yet.

The illiquidity, pesos, etc., makes sense. However, if I'm living here, and can make a 2-3% ROI while living in the unit 9 months a year (more if I was flexible about leaving any time I got a good offer), it would be ok. Then, add in potential appreciation, strengthening of the peso, added value in the remodel, etc. And maybe it makes a bit more sense. I don't know. It's definitely going to take some more thought and planning, but on the surface it seems to be a good deal.

If it turned into simply an investment, and was making $18-20 k per year, it would be solid. Of course, getting the money out in a pinch would be a hassle.

I appreciate the thoughts. I'm soaking it all in, for now, as I go through my due diligence.[/QUOTE]I know of guys that put their units on Airbnb when they are not using them. Not sure of the exact rules, but they have had to get permitted in a similar way as boutique hotels I think. Don't know if it applies when you only have your own place, or more than one place. Not sure. But something to check on as they shut you down in a very definite way without this permit.

It's hard to be a successful airbnb host without someone to assist you locally during your absence. Even the most self sufficient customers have repair and logistical issues they can't always resolve on their own. You need someone local you can trust with access to the unit, which brings us back to the discussion about love motels and long game crime scams.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2483878]I know of guys that put their units on Airbnb when they are not using them. Not sure of the exact rules, but they have had to get permitted in a similar way as boutique hotels I think. Don't know if it applies when you only have your own place, or more than one place. Not sure. But something to check on as they shut you down in a very definite way without this permit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483798]The visa is directly tied to the idea of being here more than 180 days in a year. An investor visa, which is far less in terms of the capital amount, has certain restrictions such as the inability to leave the country for more than a 6-month period. In case of an emergency at home, or all out chaos in Colombia, I would prefer the 2-year window. It also converts to citizenship after 5 years, which has the amazing benefit of going to Russia without a visa! Ok, I haven't really considered the benefits of dual citizenship, yet.[/QUOTE]The best visa to obtain is the Resident Visa which requires about a $ 150,000 USD investment, no restrictions as to coming and going, and is good indefinitely except having to renew your Cedula every five years. As far as automatic citizenship, that does not automatically happen for any of the Visa's issued, albeit after five years you can apply for citizenship, and if your under 65, you will have to take some tests similar to the USA citizenship testing. You are correct though about not needing a visa to go to Russia (currently) though as a Colombian Citizen. As far as dual citizenship, well you mentioned all out chaos in Colombia, how about in the USA?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2483641].................It has been reported that 80% of every woman in Colombia has accepted money / gifts for sex (prostitution) at some point in their life. I believe this statistic. ...........[/QUOTE]Great, then statistically speaking I should be able to get 80% of the chicas walking the streets and malls of Medellin.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483798]The illiquidity, pesos, etc., makes sense. However, if I'm living here, and can make a 2-3% ROI while living in the unit 9 months a year (more if I was flexible about leaving any time I got a good offer), it would be ok. Then, add in potential appreciation, strengthening of the peso, added value in the remodel, etc. And maybe it makes a bit more sense. I don't know. It's definitely going to take some more thought and planning, but on the surface it seems to be a good deal.

If it turned into simply an investment, and was making $18-20 k per year, it would be solid. Of course, getting the money out in a pinch would be a hassle.

I appreciate the thoughts. I'm soaking it all in, for now, as I go through my due diligence.[/QUOTE]Your not going to make a 2-3% ROI on a three month a year rental property in Medellin, not even close given the fixed costs / taxes associated with the property.

The standard airbnb language now includes a general prohibition of "group events". This was in response to growing blowback about house parties at airbnb rentals during the pandemic. The prohibition was not unusual among ads even before it was standardized by airbnb. Within the spectrum of what "visitors" means most would agree house parties are the upper extreme and the lower extreme is of course no one enters the unit except the renter. The extremes are not reasonable. Based on whatever familiarity I may have with Colombia and Colombians, my impression is activity that approaches the mid point between those extremes is not going to fly except in punter club houses like the San Peter et al. See Lugnut's post history for a guide to what will and what will not generally work and how far you can push the envelope. The Reader's Digest version is up to to or three girls a day is feasible if they arrive in modest attire and if they carry themselves with decency. Punters who appear on camera (you don't want to live in a building that does not have security cameras), or are seen in the neighborhood, escorting them in and out will hear about it and possibly face ejection.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2483876]Right. I've also stayed at San Peter, and as I didn't book through Airbnb I didn't consider it one of my Airbnb stays. It is certainly visitor friendly. I also have stayed at cheaper Airbnb places in Laureles - 3 or 4, and other parts of the city and these are the ones that are not visitor friendly. But, if you're booking condo apartments, etc. Your chances are better. It is just that you need to confirm before hand whether you can have visitors. And lots of them have a section in their rules section about it (on the Airbnb listing). That's the place to start, and if needed follow it up with an enquiry to the owner before you book.[/QUOTE]

Apologies, I missed your point completely. I thought you were somehow comparing the value and amenities of the Las Vegas condo to condos in Medellin. I am relieved you were not and that you know better. As for leasing the Vegas condo, everyone's situation is different but I would lean toward leasing it to focus on Medellin which you seem to rather enjoy. Storage for personal belongings can be expensive so your lease fees would need to cover that. If you can't be in Medellin full time perhaps renting is the better option.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483798]Care to elaborate on this? My point was the equity sitting in Las Vegas for a place I'm not at full-time, and can only rent out with a 12-mo lease, could easily be moved into this penthouse. Nonetheless, I'd be interested if you have more information or opinion to share on the topic..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483898]Great, then statistically speaking I should be able to get 80% of the chicas walking the streets and malls of Medellin.[/QUOTE]Yes timing is everything, hit it when the iron is hot.

The Tall Man.

Good summary below but the reality is that many mixed use Airbnb buildings are using the pandemic as an excuse to stop visitors all together. Even ladies that dress well were never encouraged in residential family buildings and have always been frowned upon but the law could not stop them. Now many buildings have passed laws prohibiting visitors. Three out of four that I typically rent from told me that I can't have visitors during my October trip. I am going to stay a girl friendly hotel this time.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2483902]The standard airbnb language now includes a general prohibition of "group events". This was in response to growing blowback about house parties at airbnb rentals during the pandemic. The prohibition was not unusual among ads even before it was standardized by airbnb. Within the spectrum of what "visitors" means most would agree house parties are the upper extreme and the lower extreme is of course no one enters the unit except the renter. The extremes are not reasonable. Based on whatever familiarity I may have with Colombia and Colombians, my impression is activity that approaches the mid point between those extremes is not going to fly except in punter club houses like the San Peter et al. See Lugnut's post history for a guide to what will and what will not generally work and how far you can push the envelope. The Reader's Digest version is up to to or three girls a day is feasible if they arrive in modest attire and if they carry themselves with decency. Punters who appear on camera (you don't want to live in a building that does not have security cameras), or are seen in the neighborhood, escorting them in and out will hear about it and possibly face ejection.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2483878]I know of guys that put their units on Airbnb when they are not using them. Not sure of the exact rules, but they have had to get permitted in a similar way as boutique hotels I think. Don't know if it applies when you only have your own place, or more than one place. Not sure. But something to check on as they shut you down in a very definite way without this permit.[/QUOTE]This is correct. You need a tourism license to rent short term (less than 30 days) and the building covenant should allow it.

Tourism license is easy to get but that also gets you on the police radar. Police keep track of all units with tourism license in all buildings. The biggest issue is when poolside get called for whatever reason, you pray that the girl is legal. If not, the property is seized and that starts a long drawn out legal battle or massive bribes. Believe me when I say that all of this happens and no exaggeration. I used to own multiple apartments in MDE. Sold them all. Just too much hassle.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2483641]There is a marked difference between being religious and being spiritual.[/QUOTE]TM,

You and I see eye to eye so much it is ridiculous. When I actually read the Bible myself and what Jesus said, it was so different than what today is being preached. In Biblical times, if your wife could not get pregnant, you fucked your slave which meant both polygamy and slavery were accepted.

With regards to the Catholic church, it ran brothels, working girls were registered with the church, and popes would brag about how much money they made. What changed all that was the introduction of syphilis into the old world from the new in 1494. Apparently, the Spanish conquistadors loved fucking the syphilis ridden natives. The Spanish in turn gave the new world folks small pox.

Syphilis is what AIDS was supposed to be. Sex with the wrong person and you could have you brain turn to goo in a year's time. The solution to the epidemic was burn all the working girls and implement monogamy. Monogamy was first promoted by the Anglican church in 1550 when they included the phrase "forsaking all others" in the marriage vows.

I had to learn all this to explain my whoring ways. I knew that I was a good person but was convinced that the lust I had was put into me by God himself. I was being shamed by my Bible toting ex-wife.

It is a fact that most male mammals get a thrill and come to orgasm more quickly when presented with new pussy. The chemical reward is there. It is the mechanism we have to survive and reproduce. There are no monogamous mammals but some are more monogamous than others, and the lack of reward for the less monogamous mammals is what makes them less mongerish. Despite the rhetoric with STDs, the people who engage in sex more frequently live longer.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2483641]It has been reported that 80% of every woman in Colombia has accepted money / gifts for sex (prostitution) at some point in their life. I believe this statistic.[/QUOTE]When scientists trained Capuchin monkeys to use coins, the researchers saw those monkeys engage in the EXACT same kind of behavior as humans did even with regards to prostitution. The liberal scientists discouraged this behavior though. LOL.

Did you know that only 1% of women who are millionaires are self made? 99 in 100 have gotten it through marriage, inheritance, lawsuits, or divorce. When you watch a USA TV show with women as the target audience, at least half the ads are from lawyers.

Maybe guys have daughters here and do not want to believe it. The 20% who do not take it IMO would have to be independently rich, gay or so unattractive no men would want to pay them. There seems to be this weird thing with men about working girls and women who are not working girls.

It has gotten to the point that I think all men who do not think all women are working girls are fools. I have seen women come right out and ask, "What do you have to offer me?" "I won't date a man without a job or who makes six figures. " Maybe they have daughters but if it is all about monogamous love, a concept invented to replace polygamy because of syphilis, then shouldn't you as a father be thrilled when your 18 year old daughter meets a 25 year old unemployed poor as shit but nice guy that she "loves"?

In my father's middle eastern culture, families arrange marriages and the divorce rate is 1% or so. When a friend of mine in that culture met the daughter of a family his family was friends with, he asked his father if he could date this attractive daughter. The daughter was a virgin, and his father responded to him, "Son, you do not have enough money to date her". In that culture, there is honestly about money, sex, and love. LOL. It is subtle but it is there.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2483641]Now don't get me started on the number of incest victims from these religious fathers, step-fathers, uncles and others here in Colombia. I have first hand knowledge of the depth and extent of this horrible crime and rarely ever gets talked about, again keeping the appearance of a very religious community and country.[/QUOTE]I cannot believe how common this is in the USA as well. That one in three college women get raped line is bullshit, but the amount of women who are victims of incest may be as high as one in three or higher. The problem with this is that many of these women who were abused strike out at a surrogate when they get older. That cannot blame their father or step father as it destroys the family but they can accuse the poor schlep who advances himself and does not get told no.

In the sex prison that is the people's republic of California, things have gotten so bad that if a woman regrets sex the next day, she can accuse you of rape. In fact, advancing without her saying no is rape. You supposedly have to ask permission with every thrust and now there are no statue of limitations on rape. I do not think I would have sex in California now unless I could video tape the whole fucking thing.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2483641]Just my rant for the day as NO ONE wants to stay on the topic of pussy, hehehehe.[/QUOTE]With regards to Colombia, I wish I could contribute. The women I have talking to me there are poor, depressed from the lock down, and horny. What I have waiting is unreal. I just had two more from Bogota reach out to me which makes three waiting on me there. That means three each in Bogota and Medellin. I have my beauty queen in Cartagena and my supposed virgin wanting to meet me in Santa Marta. Some want more, some less, and the amount varies but I am sending about $1000 to $1500 per month to keep them all happy. There are two that stand out though.

The Cartagena BQ got a job and was working so much on that, school, and her foundation, she admitted to me that she would not have much time to see me. I got pissed at her for putting her work before her studies and sent her $200. She told me that she loved me and hated me at the same time. She is a keeper.

The physical therapy student in Medellin has been doing her damnedest not to ask for anything. She is determined to be a normal GF even when I told her that I cannot commit to her unless we see each other on a daily basis. She is a member of the upper middle class of Colombia, is a great lover, more cute than hot, but she has a 10 personality.

Finally, I have spent time in Mexico where things are open, and I didn't expect much. Now I have a 27 year old lawyer who does not want a dime, would cause everyone's jaw here to drop, and is a nympho. Still, there is just something off about her. She seems to be great to have fun with but I am not wanting her as a GF despite her wanting to. No one would believe this if they saw us but it is true.

And I have a 26 year old Vennie in Mexico who is a literal super model and has been all over the world modeling. We are going to Cancun shortly. I have had to decide to take her to Cancun or to hold out for Colombia to open, and I cannot hold out any longer.

Thing is that she had been aloof. She found the lawyer's hair in the shower, but turned out to be a good thing as at first I denied it and then told her the truth about the lawyer. She was stunned when I said of the lawyer, "No, I do not pay her anything. " I explained to the Vennie supermodel that this may have been my last time with her because I felt like she was just about the money and not me. I offered her an option. Clearly, you just want to see me for money so let us just do a pay per meet deal. Obviously, you do not want to be my SB / GF / Novia.

I was stunned when she denied seeing any other guy, and she said and I quote, "No, I want to be your novia." She admitted to me being stressed about her family in Venezuela near the Colombian border and how she had trouble sending them money. I sent $150 to them via Western Union to Colombia right then. She showed her appreciation and now all of a sudden she has been much better about texting, responding, and asking how things are going. Still, I think it was seeing the other hot woman that sealed it. Nothing gets a woman to perform better than a little competition. He he.

I really enjoyed most everything about this post except this. You are paying money as a retainer? For me, that kind of ruins it. But to each his own. And of course, they are probably not really waiting either.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2483950]T

With regards to Colombia, I wish I could contribute. The women I have talking to me there are poor, depressed from the lock down, and horny. What I have waiting is unreal. I just had two more from Bogota reach out to me which makes three waiting on me there. That means three each in Bogota and Medellin. I have my beauty queen in Cartagena and my supposed virgin wanting to meet me in Santa Marta. Some want more, some less, and the amount varies but I am sending about $1000 to $1500 per month to keep them all happy. There are two that stand out though.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2483950]TM,

You and I see eye to eye so much it is ridiculous. When I actually read the Bible myself and what Jesus said, it was so different than what today is being preached. In Biblical times, if your wife could not get pregnant, you fucked your slave which meant both polygamy and slavery were accepted.

With regards to the Catholic church, it ran brothels, working girls were registered with the church, and popes would brag about how much money they made. What changed all that was the introduction of syphilis into the old world from the new in 1494. Apparently, the Spanish conquistadors loved fucking the syphilis ridden natives. The Spanish in turn gave the new world folks small pox..[/QUOTE]Elvis,

I read every sentence and agree. You know we two can hijack this thread which should be about Medellin pussy and explore these thoughts and opine on every last detail, hehehehe Our philological ideas maybe a motivator for others to learn and grow.

We must share the same line of thinking and reasoning because perhaps our upbringing was similar and our experiences in life along with seeing clearly why and how things just are they way they are.

I was born and raised in LA California by 2 great parents but they had their flaws, many flaws, yet they taught me two things in life, the first to love travel by seeing how other cultures and people live and secondly always have an open mind, never judge as that is not our job rather just accept things as I see them and for what they are.

Yes it seems like another life but I too was in the rats race in my professional career back in California and now being in Medellin for the past 4 years I just now have found the ability to relax my mind and slow down my body from always feeling that I must be doing something, keeping busy and achieving some objective. What a pleasure I get just waking up in the morning and fresh from a nights sleep seeing what the new day has in store.

Truth be told I was married for 14 years to a Russian model and if I did not get anything else out of that relationship I got to really understand the Russian soul.

We are all searching for something, we get into relationships for one of mainly 3 reasons, either for a Reason, a Season or for Life. I have learned some hard (and very expensive) lessons with the Reason equation being we / I am forced to learn something from the relationship and my god I did.

And what shit the religions of the world have brought to mankind, a quick look at the history and we see that the modern day ideals are the result of war and money and greed and trying to keep everyone in conformance to something. You mentioned a few points about the Catholic church and STD and monogamy, all very poignant and true.

And yes people may take offense to the thought that 80% of Colombian women have at least dabbled in sex for money at some point in their life but truth be told the percentage is probably higher. Again I don't judge but my gawd take the rose colored glasses off and see reality, unplug from the Matrix machine and you just may see reality as it is.

Case in point just yesterday walking out of my apartment I ran into the married guy who lives upstairs, it was his first opportunity to discreetly explain to me that his wife and she has friends who can provide sex is available for me or / and for my gringo friends. He gave me his wife's number with a nod and wink that it's OK.

I need to run an errand right now. We will continue our discussion further.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2483950]TM,
Some want more, some less, and the amount varies but I am sending about $1000 to $1500 per month to keep them all happy. There are two that stand out though.
[/QUOTE]That is A hefty sum 1500 US dollar Given by generous man. What exactly will the women give in return for this very nice present. The woman will probably be very generous. For that much She could probably stay over at the guys house for most Of the month.

I have a tripped planned in November. (Obviously if Colombia opens up their borders) I wanted to know what clubs are open at the moment? La Isla, Energy, New Life, Faze Dos, Luna Lunera, Loutron, Conejitas, club amigas, San Diego? Also how is the scene in Parque Lleras? Just curious on what to expect if I am able to get I to Colombia! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2484007]That is A hefty sum 1500 US dollar Given by generous man. What exactly will the women give in return for this very nice present. The woman will probably be very generous. For that much She could probably stay over at the guys house for most Of the month.[/QUOTE]Several times what the average Colombian earns in a month -- just for waiting for him. They should be willing to swallow his cum day and night!

Just got an E mail from COPA about them resuming flights to Colombia. There selling tickets from LAX to Medellin starting on October 12.

[QUOTE=Combo;2484022]Several times what the average Colombian earns in a month -- just for waiting for him. They should be willing to swallow his cum day and night![/QUOTE]LOL. No, it is $1000 to $1500 total for all of them. That is more like $200 per woman per month.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2483991]You are paying money as a retainer? For me, that kind of ruins it. But to each his own.[/QUOTE]Nah, I pay them when they ask and sometimes tell them no. I try to focus on their needs not their wants. One begged for an elliptical because the lockdown was making her fat. She has a wonderfully flat stomach, maybe her best feature, and she was sad about it. I gave her 70% of the money for it.

One had her mother washing clothes by hand because their washing machine broke, so I got her a machine. Another wanted an older Iphone for her birthday. Another begged for a dog out of loneliness. Then there was college tuition, groceries, medical help for their families, dental work.

In the USA, if I gave money for these things, I would expect said money to go right up the women's nose, but every time, the women showed me what they have bought without my asking. The one tonight just showed me the elliptical she got and she was beaming.

If a woman is getting too pushy, I say that I feel like I am paying like a man pays a hooker, and they get so upset and say, "Oh, no baby, keep your money, I do not want you to feel like that."

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2483991]And of course, they are probably not really waiting either.[/QUOTE]I met these women on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] not as working girls. One is a teacher, and the rest are students who have had part time jobs. I can track if they have gotten back on the site or not. I also follow their social media so I can see a lot about what is going on with their lives. The two I have not met in real life still go on the site, and I cannot blame them as they have not met me in person.

I did catch one I have met in real life getting back on the site. She lied about it and denied it, but she did not do it again.

I also have a profile that I do not pay for where I monitor if a girl deletes her profile and comes up with a new one.

I really do not care about monogamy as much as the passion monogamy instills in a woman from the sexual deprivation. I had a stunning sugar baby once and every time she had a BF, she was not as good in bed as when she was single.

When I do get to Colombia though, I expect these women to fuck me as if I were the last man on earth and to do whatever I want sexually, and if they do not, then I will focus on the ones who do. Keeping six women was never realistic but when you have a shot at a beauty queen, a hot young virgin, and several college cheerleader types, well, I felt like I had to go for it.

Normally, I would never pay in advance, but these are not normal times.

[URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/vuelos-internacionales-desde-colombia-se-reanudan-el-21-de-septiembre[/URL]

This is not bad at all, I will be posting from Medellin as early as this Saturday. There is a viva flight from Miami to Medellin on the 19th, it is still not canceled and I called the airline today, they told me it is still on. If this one falls through I got ticket for the 21st flight to Cartagena out of FLL. Either way, the wait is almost over, I look forward to the day I can resume posting banging 18-year-olds, where my only headache is to decide which pair of 19-year-old to bang in the afternoon.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484043][URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/vuelos-internacionales-desde-colombia-se-reanudan-el-21-de-septiembre[/URL]

This is not bad at all, I will be posting from Medellin as early as this Saturday. There is a viva flight from Miami to Medellin on the 19th, it is still not canceled and I called the airline today, they told me it is still on. If this one falls through I got ticket for the 21st flight to Cartagena out of FLL. Either way, the wait is almost over, I look forward to the day I can resume posting banging 18-year-olds, where my only headache is to decide which pair of 19-year-old to bang in the afternoon.[/QUOTE]Fuck! I hope this all goes well for ya. I plan to be there mid October.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2483991]I really enjoyed most everything about this post except this. You are paying money as a retainer? For me, that kind of ruins it. But to each his own. And of course, they are probably not really waiting either.[/QUOTE]They told him that in order to fuck them when he gets there, he has to send them money when he is not there. Sounds a bit like the dude that sent the chick in Barranquilla all that money, then once he arrived she did not fuck him (well at least not in a sexual way.) Cash On Delivery is where I stand on this one.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2483899]Your not going to make a 2-3% ROI on a three month a year rental property in Medellin, not even close given the fixed costs / taxes associated with the property.[/QUOTE]I would add to this some things that I have been told about buying apartments in Medellin. I think most people know that housing in Medellin (Colombia in general) is classified economically as estratos or strata and given a number according to their expense and / or quality of living. Estatos run from 1 to 6 with 6 being the best and 1 being the worst. So 1-2 are poverty to low wage working neighborhoods, 3 and 4 are considered middle class, 5 is upper middle class to wealthy and 6 is straight up luxury. Caveats about this information are these, besides the fact that this is pre-coronavirus information, meaning how the economic impact of the lockdown effects things is an unkown. The following is what I have gathered from people who live in Medellin but this is only two sources and that does not make it golden information, in fact they do not have direct experience buying and selling expensive real estate so it could just be their opinion but I did hear this from two different people.

Most if not all Apartments in El Poblado are going to be 5 or 6. Therefore these factors come into play when buying at this level. The fact that they are upper upper middle class and wealthy is going to shrink the market for these apartments (this is a smaller segment of the population in Colombia) to the upper upper middle class and wealthy colombians or gringos / extranjeros. Outstanding mortgages in Colombia only represent about 7. 3% of the GDP in the country; compared to outstanding mortgages in the USA Representing about 79% of the GDP in the USA Which means that when you go to sell your apartment you may have to find a cash buyer with that kind of money. There are always new apartments being built, in the greater El Poblado areas that attract upper upper class Colombians such as El Tesoro, LOS Balsos. And that is what you compete against when you go to sell and that is why your apartment may not even actually appreciate the way you think it might.

When I first visited El Poblado I wondered why in the hell these people wanted to live up on the side of a mountain where the walkability sucks and there is no real feeling of community when you do walk down the street, even in Most of the boroughs of New York, Chicago, in most neighborhoods in L. A. You can walk around and see people milling about looking in store windows, eating al fresco etc, But El Poblado is like a thousand fortresses (outside the Parque Lleras and Parque Poblado areas) secured and sequestered apartment buildings and small gated housing developments etc but then I was reminded of what Medellin was like in the 80's and 90's and the murder, the terror and the mayhem. So people started moving into the secure buildings going up in El Poblado (probably built with the cocaine money that caused the terror) I would want a fortress to raise my kids in also.

I was told that before all the hell and chaos started Laureles was where the estrato 5 - 6 lived. That is when La 70 was legendary and Parque Lleras was not. Now Laureles is estrato 3-4 middle class, La 70 is still happening but by far it is mostly locals. It is safe and there are some nice areas to live there and very affordable if you are buying, and it has a better chance to hold its value than a 5-6. I think there is a market for the Airbnb, a lot of people look for that local flavor / native vibe, walkability, etc.

And there are a fair share of international and nice restaurants in Laureles, for example over on Transversal 39B running through the Circulars ( a type of street like Carrera and Calle but that have a arced shape so are called Circular) starting about where the Carulla supermarket is on Circular 73 going northeast this section of Transversal 39B runs between a quarter of a mile and a half mile crossing through Circular 74, Circular 74A, Circular 74B through past Circular 76 (the last Circular) still heading northwest to where Transversal 39 b crosses Carrera 79 - this stretch has places for ribs, pizza, sushi, hamburgers, wings, etc., Crepes and Waffles is on this stretch and I could eat there everyday. The corner of Transversal 39 b and Avenida 74 B on Google maps (Circular 79 b and Avenida 74 B on different street signs on the ground) caddy corner from a Starbucks are two upscale restaurants Milagros is upscale Mexican with a great reputation, Delirio Exquisito, also upscale Mexican food with a lean toward seafood. This is just one stretch of an area that is over a quarter mile long and offers varieties of nice places and is walkable.

I am sure that the guys who stay at San Peter can attest to the restaurant scene on the Circulars 1 thru 5 between Carrera 73 and Carrera 69 fanning north due northeast from Universidad Pontificia Bolivariana, which I would actually be interested to hear myself because I have not made it there yet.

Anyway this is my reason for why if I was going to "buy" in Medellin for investment and mongering purposes I think I would have to look around in Laureles area and see what the overall ROI looked like.

Damn this turned into a long post, I hope there is some useful information here.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483871]Lazy typing. That was not to say it would happen. It could go the other way, of course. I just meant to say it is a possibility that could have a positive (or negative) effect on the value.[/QUOTE]This.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2483798]Care to elaborate on this? My point was the equity sitting in Las Vegas for a place I'm not at full-time, and can only rent out with a 12-mo lease, could easily be moved into this penthouse.[/QUOTE]You can use the income from the US rental to rent a place in Medellin without the added risk. You can always trade your condo with another place in US without the added risks of buying Colombia properties.

Personally, I have not observed the Colombia properties appreciate in value anywhere close to area in US like California. They just don't earn that much on average to support the market. In many California cities, when the market is hot, you pretty much have to bid on a property. My friend just sold his house, but he is in limbo now because he lost bid on another house that costs about 2 millions a few days ago. There are also areas that you simply can't time to sell a property thinking you can buy it back at a lower price.

Was thick as ever yesterday Tuesday Sept 15th, chicas everywhere but I am really picky nowadays in the park as most every girl or retired girl who's sells candy know who I am. I have been taking them away from the park and banging them at a short term hotel close to Parque Berrios. I rarely leave the house more than twice a week so this week has been nice because my girl wanted to do a little shopping and site seeing in Centro. Since I know many chics, I have them stationed near the Parque Berrios area and I run off for an hour or so while the girlfriend is shopping. I have had some very nice chics that slide to the short term hotel with me this week. I can't lie, Tall Man is correct, a 100 mil will get you a few hours of fun with nearly any 18-20 yr old who frequents the park. Soon they may open up international travel and many BMs can enjoy some of the fun too. I am so tired of cancelling flights that I will not book another flight until I see other foreigners entering into the country. Pollo Negro is out!

What will be accepted as proof of the test result?

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484043][URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/vuelos-internacionales-desde-colombia-se-reanudan-el-21-de-septiembre[/URL]

This is not bad at all, I will be posting from Medellin as early as this Saturday. There is a viva flight from Miami to Medellin on the 19th, it is still not canceled and I called the airline today, they told me it is still on. If this one falls through I got ticket for the 21st flight to Cartagena out of FLL. Either way, the wait is almost over, I look forward to the day I can resume posting banging 18-year-olds, where my only headache is to decide which pair of 19-year-old to bang in the afternoon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2484069]I would add to this some things that I have been told about buying apartments in Medellin. I think most people know that housing in Medellin (Colombia in general) is classified economically as estratos or strata and given a number according to their expense and / or quality of living. Estatos run from 1 to 6 with 6 being the best and 1 being the worst. So 1-2 are poverty to low wage working neighborhoods, 3 and 4 are considered middle class, 5 is upper middle class to wealthy and 6 is straight up luxury. Caveats about this information are these, besides the fact that this is pre-coronavirus information, meaning how the economic impact of the lockdown effects things is an unkown. The following is what I have gathered from people who live in Medellin but this is only two sources and that does not make it golden information, in fact they do not have direct experience buying and selling expensive real estate so it could just be their opinion but I did hear this from two different people.

Most if not all Apartments in El Poblado are going to be 5 or 6. Therefore these factors come into play when buying at this level. The fact that they are upper upper middle class and wealthy is going to shrink the market for these apartments (this is a smaller segment of the population in Colombia) to the upper upper middle class and wealthy colombians or gringos / extranjeros. Outstanding mortgages in Colombia only represent about 7. 3% of the GDP in the country; compared to outstanding mortgages in the USA Representing about 79% of the GDP in the USA Which means that when you go to sell your apartment you may have to find a cash buyer with that kind of money. There are always new apartments being built, in the greater El Poblado areas that attract upper upper class Colombians such as El Tesoro, LOS Balsos. And that is what you compete against when you go to sell and that is why your apartment may not even actually appreciate the way you think it might.

When I first visited El Poblado I wondered why in the hell these people wanted to live up on the side of a mountain where the walkability sucks and there is no real feeling of community when you do walk down the street, even in Most of the boroughs of New York, Chicago, in most neighborhoods in L. A. You can walk around and see people milling about looking in store windows, eating al fresco etc, But El Poblado is like a thousand fortresses (outside the Parque Lleras and Parque Poblado areas) secured and sequestered apartment buildings and small gated housing developments etc but then I was reminded of what Medellin was like in the 80's and 90's and the murder, the terror and the mayhem. So people started moving into the secure buildings going up in El Poblado (probably built with the cocaine money that caused the terror) I would want a fortress to raise my kids in also.

I was told that before all the hell and chaos started Laureles was where the estrato 5 - 6 lived. That is when La 70 was legendary and Parque Lleras was not. Now Laureles is estrato 3-4 middle class, La 70 is still happening but by far it is mostly locals. It is safe and there are some nice areas to live there and very affordable if you are buying, and it has a better chance to hold its value than a 5-6. I think there is a market for the Airbnb, a lot of people look for that local flavor / native vibe, walkability, etc.

And there are a fair share of international and nice restaurants in Laureles, for example over on Transversal 39B running through the Circulars ( a type of street like Carrera and Calle but that have a arced shape so are called Circular) starting about where the Carulla supermarket is on Circular 73 going northeast this section of Transversal 39B runs between a quarter of a mile and a half mile crossing through Circular 74, Circular 74A, Circular 74B through past Circular 76 (the last Circular) still heading northwest to where Transversal 39 b crosses Carrera 79 - this stretch has places for ribs, pizza, sushi, hamburgers, wings, etc., Crepes and Waffles is on this stretch and I could eat there everyday. The corner of Transversal 39 b and Avenida 74 B on Google maps (Circular 79 b and Avenida 74 B on different street signs on the ground) caddy corner from a Starbucks are two upscale restaurants Milagros is upscale Mexican with a great reputation, Delirio Exquisito, also upscale Mexican food with a lean toward seafood. This is just one stretch of an area that is over a quarter mile long and offers varieties of nice places and is walkable.

I am sure that the guys who stay at San Peter can attest to the restaurant scene on the Circulars 1 thru 5 between Carrera 73 and Carrera 69 fanning north due northeast from Universidad Pontificia Bolivariana, which I would actually be interested to hear myself because I have not made it there yet.

Anyway this is my reason for why if I was going to "buy" in Medellin for investment and mongering purposes I think I would have to look around in Laureles area and see what the overall ROI looked like.

Damn this turned into a long post, I hope there is some useful information here.[/QUOTE]Great summary of those two areas. There certainly are lots of great places in Laureles, restaurants, bars, etc. And it seems like it would be a better place to actually live than in most of Poblado. I have walked a lot of it and stayed in probably 5 different Airbnb's in Laureles.

As far as ROI. A lot of unknowns. It would be a harder spot to get gringos to stay, if that is your target market. And as much as in Poblado the other residents of any particular building would probably not want to find out that there are tourists involved in the sex tourism in their building. As much as I hate to say it, as it is hypocritical, but if I had an Airbnb in Colombia I would also have rules about visitors. I might choose to ignore them sometimes, but when I had any complaints at least I could point to my rules as a defense. And if I just rented without the tourism license I would restrict it to people I know, or had some direct information about. I would not be going for a lot of turnover, so probably would not do short term rentals.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484043][URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/vuelos-internacionales-desde-colombia-se-reanudan-el-21-de-septiembre[/URL]

This is not bad at all, I will be posting from Medellin as early as this Saturday. There is a viva flight from Miami to Medellin on the 19th, it is still not canceled and I called the airline today, they told me it is still on. If this one falls through I got ticket for the 21st flight to Cartagena out of FLL. Either way, the wait is almost over, I look forward to the day I can resume posting banging 18-year-olds, where my only headache is to decide which pair of 19-year-old to bang in the afternoon.[/QUOTE]Since you will be the first to return to Medellin we will all be waiting with bated breath for your account of from aeropuerto to chica.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483898]Great, then statistically speaking I should be able to get 80% of the chicas walking the streets and malls of Medellin.[/QUOTE]There is an expression that many must hear and learn, you may shrug this off but just allow it to marinate for a while as you come to understand how true and encompassing it is:

"The only honest woman is a prostitute".

The Tall Man.

Still, that is a lot, I bought one girls kid some 90 mil COP worth of school supplies and that made me fell like a schlep. LOL maybe I am a true cheepie charlie!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484034]LOL. No, it is $1000 to $1500 total for all of them. That is more like $200 per woman per month.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2484069]I would add to this some things that I have been told about buying apartments in Medellin.
Anyway this is my reason for why if I was going to "buy" in Medellin for investment and mongering purposes I think I would have to look around in Laureles area and see what the overall ROI looked like. Damn this turned into a long post, I hope there is some useful information here.[/QUOTE]Excellent post and some general comments about your remarks regarding apartments in Medellin which I have learn't and observed over the past four years. Colombians don't care much about the views from an apartment versus gringos and are into modern apartments. Of the new apartments being built, the quality of the construction can be downright terrible, and typically the monthly administration charges can be very high compared to older buildings.

I've looked at several dozen apartments, and being a contractor, the older apartments are far superior construction wise in most cases with real wood doors / cabinets versus all the plastic stuff. In regards to Laureles, it is a great area, flat with no hills, and plenty of good places to eat, but for an investor, at least up until the Pandemic, the best area to buy an apartment in is within no more than a one mile radius of Parque Lleras. For somebody looking for an apartment for themselves to live in, Laureles is ideal. In regards to property appreciation, I have noticed prices for properties, specifically within a one mile radius of Parque Lleras up until the Pandemic had increased easily 10% a year over the past three years. As far as finding a property which will have a good ROI, that will be a challenge because unless it's a Penthouse with great amenities being location, outdoor terraza / balcony's, views, etc. Than getting a decent rental amount is going to be very tough, let alone finding tenants because there are hundreds of apartments for rent and unless your property is unique it's going to be a challenge to rent and manage. And finding a property that fits the criteria I have layed out, well they are out there on the market, but the prices are so high, they will never pencil out. In my opinion, based on my personal experience, the time to have bought properties in Medellin was four years ago and prior to this time. And right now as a result of the Pandemic, yet it won't be as good as five years ago.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484042]Nah, I pay them when they ask and sometimes tell them no.
When I do get to Colombia though, I expect these women to fuck me as if I were the last man on earth and to do whatever I want sexually, and if they do not, then I will focus on the ones who do. Keeping six women was never realistic but when you have a shot at a beauty queen, a hot young virgin, and several college cheerleader types, well, I felt like I had to go for it.
Normally, I would never pay in advance, but these are not normal times.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, and based on personal experience, most Colombian women have a very short memory when it comes to money they've been given in the past. Hopefully I am wrong, and they will be fucking your brains out with no RFM's requests for money.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484116]This.

You can use the income from the US rental to rent a place in Medellin without the added risk. You can always trade your condo with another place in US without the added risks of buying Colombia properties.

Personally, I have not observed the Colombia properties appreciate in value anywhere close to area in US like California. They just don't earn that much on average to support the market. In many California cities, when the market is hot, you pretty much have to bid on a property. My friend just sold his house, but he is in limbo now because he lost bid on another house that costs about 2 millions a few days ago. There are also areas that you simply can't time to sell a property thinking you can buy it back at a lower price.[/QUOTE]You really can't compare appreciation of properties in California to Medellin. Most properties in Colombia are purchased on a cash basis with very few loans being taken out, and if so for a very minor amount. In the USA the appreciation has been high as a result of the very low mortgage rates, whereas in Colombia this is not a factor. Appreciation of properties in certain areas of Poblado up until the Pandemic had been averaging at about 10% a year.

I sincerely hopes this works out for you.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484042]
When I do get to Colombia though, I expect these women to fuck me as if I were the last man on earth and to do whatever I want sexually, and if they do not, then I will focus on the ones who do. Keeping six women was never realistic but when you have a shot at a beauty queen, a hot young virgin, and several college cheerleader types, well, I felt like I had to go for it.

Normally, I would never pay in advance, but these are not normal times.[/QUOTE]

I have thought on and off about buying an apartment in Medellin since I visit so often. Any rental income would be gravy. I just need to really sit down and compare what I'm paying for all of my trips (rentals) vs. What I would pay to buy and pay taxes, services, and HOA (and have the hassle of dealing with these folks).

Two things I've observed:

1) Prices mean nothing. I have real concerns about being ripped off, given the lack of information available on comps.

2) Need to pay cash, which ties up your money into something that may or may not provide a return.

3) Your investment is extremely illiquid. I have seen some apartments that have been listed for a year or more without a buyer. So if you want or need to get out, it will take time.

Unless I decide to live there for 1/2 of the year, I'll probably just continue to rent for now.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484043][URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/vuelos-internacionales-desde-colombia-se-reanudan-el-21-de-septiembre[/URL]

This is not bad at all, I will be posting from Medellin as early as this Saturday. There is a viva flight from Miami to Medellin on the 19th, it is still not canceled and I called the airline today, they told me it is still on. If this one falls through I got ticket for the 21st flight to Cartagena out of FLL. Either way, the wait is almost over, I look forward to the day I can resume posting banging 18-year-olds, where my only headache is to decide which pair of 19-year-old to bang in the afternoon.[/QUOTE]Did Spirit cancel your flight (#859) on Sept 21 from FLL to Cartagena? Spirit's website now shows that there is no flight on that date. In addition, you cannot book that same flight to Cartagena on Sept 23 (suggesting either full or cancelled). First date you can book now is Sept 25.

Those of us dying to get Colombia are highly interested in monitoring when exactly you get there and how difficult the journey was.

Obviously I can't count. Three things I have observed.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484224]

Two things I've observed:

1) Prices mean nothing. I have real concerns about being ripped off, given the lack of information available on comps.

2) Need to pay cash, which ties up your money into something that may or may not provide a return.

3) Your investment is extremely illiquid. I have seen some apartments that have been listed for a year or more without a buyer. So if you want or need to get out, it will take time.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484222]I sincerely hopes this works out for you.[/QUOTE]Thanks, CL, it is a lot for Colombia, and thank God Mexico has been open to me. I tried [URL]seeking.com[/URL] here in the sex prison. One woman wanted $1000 just for a day. I told a male friend about that and he laughed and said, "For that much money, I will let you fuck me."

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484230]Obviously I can't count. Three things I have observed.[/QUOTE]Also, it just takes one pissed off neighbor then you are screwed. They can make your life a living hell. If you are interested is seeing just one or two girls no big deal, multiple girls you are opening yourself up for all kinds of problems, just be careful. This why I change apartment or Condos every few days in Mexico.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2484215]Still, that is a lot, I bought one girls kid some 90 mil COP worth of school supplies and that made me fell like a schlep. LOL maybe I am a true cheepie charlie![/QUOTE]Nah, we have different goals. My dream is to bring two of the best women back to the USA. A lawyer friend suggested a way to do it that may work out. Visas have been hard to come by. I was going to use a fiance visa on a super hot Vennie and it fell through thank God. I can probably make it to Colombia once every month or two, but I can make it to Mexico once every two weeks. Meeting the women in Mexico is my next goal, and it is really important that the women trust me and I make it worth their while.

You would think traveling to Cancun or Cabo is something Colombian women would jump at, and they are very interested but about half the time I have scheduled trips with all women, they either bail at the last minute or have other issues. I have tried 3 X to get Colombian women to Mexico and only succeeded once. I have learned the hard way what to do then. I asked a lot of Mexicans for help on the issue. I was told Do not fly them into Mexico City, have an event that they are going to in Mexico, have a friend or at least a friend they can name in the city that they are flying into, make sure they have at least $500 on them, and I was told going through Panama versus coming in directly from Colombia works out better.

Of the two who did not make it, one could not get by Colombian customs and the other was terrorized in a kind of jail in the Mexico City airport. She had her shoes stolen, luggage broken ETC. It was the worst experience of her life.

Maybe my plans fail, and I have to just suck it up and commute to Colombia, but I have pretty much run out of things to do in Bogota so really the only thing for me to do there is to fuck, work out when the gyms open, and eat. Maybe there is more to do in Cartagena and Medellin, but in comparison, I have been to Cancun like 7 or 8 X and there is still a month's worth of stuff that I want to see and do, and I have not been to Puerto Vallarta, Acapulco, or Cabo yet.

I was talking with a Brazilian about going to Mexico, and she was excited, but the flight got cancelled. I finally realized the best way to see her was for me to travel to Brazil, and she said "But everything sucks in Brazil. " And I have to admit that once I took the women out of the picture, I really had no desire to return to Brazil.

I am not sure if the same is going to be true of Colombia yet, but I have a feeling it will be. Take out the women and how badly would you want to go to Colombia?

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484224]I have thought on and off about buying an apartment in Medellin since I visit so often. Any rental income would be gravy. I just need to really sit down and compare what I'm paying for all of my trips (rentals) vs. What I would pay to buy and pay taxes, services, and HOA (and have the hassle of dealing with these folks).

Two things I've observed:

1) Prices mean nothing. I have real concerns about being ripped off, given the lack of information available on comps.

2) Need to pay cash, which ties up your money into something that may or may not provide a return.

3) Your investment is extremely illiquid. I have seen some apartments that have been listed for a year or more without a buyer. So if you want or need to get out, it will take time.

Unless I decide to live there for 1/2 of the year, I'll probably just continue to rent for now.[/QUOTE]A couple of things for you and others to consider who are contemplating purchasing an apartment. Observation number 1, If you can find the property on your own versus somebody looking for you and have a good attorney getting ripped off should not be a concern. There is a wealth of comp information available on the real estate websites, but just knowing square meter prices etc is not as important as to the location and amenities of the property and the intended end use. Observation number 2, yes you pay in cash and this gives you an edge as a foreign buyer as Colombians struggle with this so you can be in a position to pay very rapidly which is huge in negotiating a purchase. Also, for those looking to retire or become an investor, an approximate $ 150,000 USD purchase will get you a residency visa, basically the equivalent of a green card in the USA. Observation number 3, yes properties will languish on the market for long periods of time, but that is solely a function of the price and if the apartment is undesirable. So what's the takeaway from this, if your going to buy something, find something unique with rental potential, however this can be very challenging and take a while.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2484215]Still, that is a lot, I bought one girls kid some 90 mil COP worth of school supplies and that made me fell like a schlep. LOL maybe I am a true cheepie charlie![/QUOTE]Listen, I never criticize anyone on how much money they give a girl. Everything is relative, one mans floor is anothers ceiling. However I guess if push came to shove I'd prefer monger who is more conservative with how much money they give a girl. One story comes to mind when I met a UTR chick in Bogota who wanted $400 for a few hours. Said she was with an American last week who gave her $400 so now that's is what she wants from all gringos. So paying stupid money just creates problems for all of us down the road. Unless she is your compañera constante, After her mom lost her job I started to pay my girls facturas in the house and buy the food. $200 a month the water the gas the administration fee for the vigilance, and electric is another all totaled 300,000 cop max, so for less than $300 a month I'm supporting her, her mom why younger brother. $1500 a month I could probably support the whole damn building jajaj Elvis, just keep in mind 60% of all Colombians make minimum wage, and that was just raised to about 730,000 a month, slight more than $200 a month to work 5 and a half days a week for 30 days so now you get a perspective to how much your giving these girls. I'm sure they are going to be fighting over you when you get there. Jajaj But remember there is a difference between helping these girls in a very desperate time and being a Pendejo.

[QUOTE=Tricksta;2484227]Did Spirit cancel your flight (#859) on Sept 21 from FLL to Cartagena? Spirit's website now shows that there is no flight on that date. In addition, you cannot book that same flight to Cartagena on Sept 23 (suggesting either full or cancelled). First date you can book now is Sept 25.

Those of us dying to get Colombia are highly interested in monitoring when exactly you get there and how difficult the journey was.[/QUOTE]I booked my flights earlier in the month, after they canceled my 9/1, 9/7, 9/10, and 9/17 flight. I just checked spirit website, there are still tickets on 9/21 #859. The flights on the 23rd is sold out, but I do have a ticket. If I make it over on Saturday, I will return both tickets, they might resell it. Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2484220]You really can't compare appreciation of properties in California to Medellin. Most properties in Colombia are purchased on a cash basis with very few loans being taken out, and if so for a very minor amount. In the USA the appreciation has been high as a result of the very low mortgage rates, whereas in Colombia this is not a factor. Appreciation of properties in certain areas of Poblado up until the Pandemic had been averaging at about 10% a year.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is why buying a rental property in US and use the rental income to rent apartment in Medellin is better than buying property in Medellin for part time living and renting.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2484208]There is an expression that many must hear and learn, you may shrug this off but just allow it to marinate for a while as you come to understand how true and encompassing it is:

"The only honest woman is a prostitute".

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]If you are going to retreat to that one, "all women are prostitutes," then the same principle applies to you. What will you do for $? Use your imagination. But yea there are plenty of homes where the man and woman are both bread earners. And there are a lot of women that support their bum boyfriends. There are women who do guys they are heavily attracted to simply because they are horny. It might make you feel better about your practice of buying it to assume that all or 80% of the women in a certain country are selling it, but there's no evidence to support that. File it under "monger myths."

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2484252]After her mom lost her job I started to pay my girls facturas in the house and buy the food. $200 a month the water the gas the administration fee for the vigilance, and electric is another all totaled 300,000 cop max, so for less than $300 a month I'm supporting her, her mom why younger brother. $1500 a month I could probably support the whole damn building jajaj Elvis, just keep in mind 60% of all Colombians make minimum wage, and that was just raised to about 730,000 a month, slight more than $200 a month to work 5 and a half days a week for 30 days so now you get a perspective to how much your giving these girls. I'm sure they are going to be fighting over you when you get there. Jajaj But remember there is a difference between helping these girls in a very desperate time and being a Pendejo.[/QUOTE]LL,

It is around $200 per month per woman, which is about what you are giving that one chica. As you said, that is just to get by. When I have a woman who has her father who has lost her job say, "I do not what we are going to do for groceries. " I send her $70, and she shows me a cart full of groceries, what I am supposed to think, that she is bullshitting me? She could be, but I do not think so. Most of the time generosity does not get you shit. The women think they are great hustlers and can just go onto another guy, but these are not normal times.

Thing is I was seeing hot women on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] and could not get them to pay attention to me. So to separate myself from the pack, I said, "Hey, I know times are tough. Do you need a little to get by? And I would send them $30 or $40" I knew that 95% of the responses on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] that women get are guys trying to fuck them and pay nothing, so this separated me from the others, and the hottest women stunningly all responded to me.

The funny thing is one, who may have been the hottest one, was in Medellin. I gave her $40 twice, told about a trip to Mexico, and she bitched that I was bragging about this trip while she was miserable and stuck in her house. We actually had decent chemistry before that. Anyway, I told her that given that she was going to be miserable no matter what I gave her, I told her that I would give her nothing from then on and blew her off. I had similar come to Jesus moments with the two women I see in Mexico. The best looking women rarely have men discipline them and when they do, the men usually are not fair about it. So we are done right? Nope, she has been frequently checking out my profile on seeking. I suspect when I get to Medellin I will see her and I will have no problem telling her that I expect her to act like and perform like a good companion and if she is only interested in complaining, she can sit her ass at home.

And you guys are missing the most important part. You have the best sex with women when it is not just about the money. All of these women have said "Te amo" or "Te quiero" to me, and sometimes I reciprocate and sometimes I do not if I do not feel it is genuine. These hot women get hundreds of texts and calls a day right with every kind of offer imaginable. But when I text or call them, they respond and quickly. In fact, they ***** when I do not call or text them enough.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484244]
Take out the women and how badly would you want to go to Colombia?[/QUOTE]The women in Colombia are attractive just like women are attractive anywhere else. When people say it's heaven in Colombia sounds like an exaggeration. The downside is there is no variety like you'll never find a hot Asian girl in CL. The pricing is favorable, but only for those who come from the outside.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2484252] One story comes to mind when I met a UTR chick in Bogota who wanted $400 for a few hours. Said she was with an American last week who gave her $400 so now that's is what she wants from all gringos. [/QUOTE]

This girl seems very rude. Up charging someone just because of their place of residence or their appearance. Not the kind of woman that men would like to date. Plus a North American has $400 to spare probably because he has to pay $2500 rent. For example did you see in YouTube girl from medellin that moved to Toronto she says in Colombia she had a car and she bought apartmentWhen she moved to Toronto she lives in a one room basement with her husband and her 2 dogs. Basements don't even have proper Windows. So, 400 Whatever. Was she in some way a better deal than the Standard woman that can be found in bogota?

I was in el Centro this morning, and a tout handed me a card and said they were open. Also, walked by Zandaly and the gate was open. Looked like there was some construction going on. Things are looking up!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2484177] As much as I hate to say it, as it is hypocritical, but if I had an Airbnb in Colombia I would also have rules about visitors. [/QUOTE]It is not hypocritical. One is your hobby the other is business. No one would expect anyone to ruin their business to stay true to the people that share their hobby.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484233]Thanks, CL, it is a lot for Colombia, and thank God Mexico has been open to me. I tried [URL]seeking.com[/URL] here in the sex prison. One woman wanted $1000 just for a day. I told a male friend about that and he laughed and said, "For that much money, I will let you fuck me."[/QUOTE]This literally made me laugh aloud.

[QUOTE]It has been reported that 80% of every woman in Colombia has accepted money / gifts for sex (prostitution) at some point in their life.[/QUOTE]This spring, I met and chatted with a very nice young lady after a class at UBP. Later in the day, I met her again at Ashia, unfortunately a victim of the virus. Had a great session, and she has been one of my regulars during the lockdown. Great lady! She is working her way through college.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2484295]It is not hypocritical. One is your hobby the other is business. No one would expect anyone to ruin their business to stay true to the people that share their hobby.[/QUOTE]Well said.

I am not an objective source about this but I think renting is a very good option because of its low risk and flexibility.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484224]I have thought on and off about buying an apartment in Medellin since I visit so often. Any rental income would be gravy. I just need to really sit down and compare what I'm paying for all of my trips (rentals) vs. What I would pay to buy and pay taxes, services, and HOA (and have the hassle of dealing with these folks).

Two things I've observed:

1) Prices mean nothing. I have real concerns about being ripped off, given the lack of information available on comps.

2) Need to pay cash, which ties up your money into something that may or may not provide a return.

3) Your investment is extremely illiquid. I have seen some apartments that have been listed for a year or more without a buyer. So if you want or need to get out, it will take time.

Unless I decide to live there for 1/2 of the year, I'll probably just continue to rent for now.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if anyone wants to challenge this.

[URL]https://mintransporte.gov.co/publicaciones/8965/gobierno-nacional-reactiva-de-manera-gradual-la-operacion-de-vuelos-internacionales-a-partir-del-proximo-21-de-septiembre/[/URL]

This is as official as it gets. Looks like we are not going to wait until mid-next year after all.

I really hope my flight next Wednesday actually happens. We will see.

At any rate, I've been impressed with the quality of chicas on Tinder these days.

And today I started talking to a chica who has 19 years, but who is in 11th grade. Something sexy about banging a HS girl (as long as she's legal). This would be my third. I still see another girl who is 18 and is finishing high school this fall. SJOBS would be pleased. But I'm a little different in that I also enjoy a girl in her later 20's. I find those girls are more experienced at sex and enjoy it more. Which is a turn-one.

I have another girl who is 22. She's a gym rat. Geez, I like her. She wanted to video chat tonight. Not sure of her angle (has not asked for money, does not seem to be a prepago), but I hope to see her and find out.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484379]I really hope my flight next Wednesday actually happens. We will see.

[/QUOTE]Here is a link to a video of a guy an expat who lives in Medellin and keeps us up to date on turns of events. He is legit. One thing he brings up is that you have to pre-register with Colombia Immigration before you go so watch his video, catch up on my blog. Colombia / Travel Coronavirus Updates.

On this video page click the "show more" section below the channel name and see the links he provides to this information and to Colombia Immigration.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSac6xRDF7E[/URL]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2484386]Here is a link to a video of a guy an expat who lives in Medellin and keeps us up to date on turns of events. He is legit. One thing he brings up is that you have to pre-register with Colombia Immigration before you go so watch his video, catch up on my blog. Colombia / Travel Coronavirus Updates.

On this video page click the "show more" section below the channel name and see the links he provides to this information and to Colombia Immigration.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSac6xRDF7E[/URL][/QUOTE]If your flight is out of Miami going to either Cartagena or Medellin next week, then you are fine. You need to input your information here [URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/[/URL] and a 96 hour Covid test.

Just spoke to my favorite bar tender at Gustos. For those that visit that place. She told me that they will be open starting Tuesday. That's a good sign that the nightlife in Parque Llares could be back eventually. I reached out to a few of my bar girls at Chic Boom and Parque Llares and haven't heard back yet. Staying optimistic but safe to say there is now a pulse. This is too good to be true hahaha and just think I I'm flying to El Paso Tx today because I was going crazy and took drastic measures without my Colombian women hahaha. Wish I could cancel now and save all this for my next trip. Then again, these chicks will be free LOL. (Kinda). I hate dating knowing what I could be doing in the next few weeks.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484379]At any rate, I've been impressed with the quality of chicas on Tinder these days.

And today I started talking to a chica who has 19 years, but who is in 11th grade. Something sexy about banging a HS girl (as long as she's legal). This would be my third. [/QUOTE]So you really have a thing for chicks that get held back 3 times? In my day they used to call that retarded. I guess by quality you do not mean intelligence. LOL.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484379]I really hope my flight next Wednesday actually happens. We will see.

At any rate, I've been impressed with the quality of chicas on Tinder these days.

And today I started talking to a chica who has 19 years, but who is in 11th grade. Something sexy about banging a HS girl (as long as she's legal). This would be my third. I still see another girl who is 18 and is finishing high school this fall. SJOBS would be pleased. But I'm a little different in that I also enjoy a girl in her later 20's. I find those girls are more experienced at sex and enjoy it more. Which is a turn-one.

I have another girl who is 22. She's a gym rat. Geez, I like her. She wanted to video chat tonight. Not sure of her angle (has not asked for money, does not seem to be a prepago), but I hope to see her and find out.[/QUOTE]Don't forget that a test with a negative result must be done 96 hours before the flight To Colombia. [URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/politica/gobierno/vuelos-internacionales-el-19-de-septiembre-empieza-reactivacion-de-vuelos-internacionales-538036[/URL].

I wonder if BMs who try and go to Colombia have a plan for if they get the virus while there. What if they have a bad / strong reaction to Covid?

Is there fear of hooking up with chicks who may or may not have the virus? Do you fear making out and eating pussy when the girl can be asymptomatic?

Have many things opened up in Medellin for people to do outside of wherever they are sleeping?

Whats you plan for when they close the. Air space back up within weeks of opening--like almost al nations have had to do since travel creates virus spikes.

I am still not convinced they will be letting American tourists in. It is amazingly irresponsible and dangerous. We shall see.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484233]........... I tried [URL]seeking.com[/URL] here in the sex prison. One woman wanted $1000 just for a day.................[/QUOTE]If I were my present self with my 20 year old virility when I could come ten times per day I would take her up on that, if she's hot of course.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484379]I really hope my flight next Wednesday actually happens. We will see.[/QUOTE]You and others (also SJobs) seem to fully ignore that one thing is having a ticket for flight that is scheduled and takes off on time, another is [I]being allowed[/I] to board and enter a country. Did you get such permission?

I am happy to hear that on Sep 21 some international flights to Colombia will resume, from LA and even from USA, but where is it written that foreign citizens will be allowed to enter Colombia? And to what purpose?

There is a number of people who really need such flights, beginning with Colombia citizens stuck abroad or foreign citizens stuck in Colombia who desperately want to go back home, but regular travellers for tourism are not allowed.

The last official announcement from the Ministerio was made at the end of August (Decreto 1168 del 25 de agosto de 2020) and stated that borders will be kept closed at least until 1st October.

FYI, some flights between Bogota / Cartagena and Europe (Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, London) have been scheduled already from 15 to 30 September, to serve those in need of "essential travel". This does not mean that I can board and go to Colombia.

Certainly, I wish you will succeed, but I am really curious to know how do you plan to ask the authorization to travel, what kind of "essential travel" could be mentioned to Embassy.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2484518]Did you get such permission?[/QUOTE]I have read nothing anywhere about permission. Please post a link about this.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2484518]I am happy to hear that on Sep 21 some international flights to Colombia will resume, from LA and even from USA, but where is it written that foreign citizens will be allowed to enter Colombia? And to what purpose?[/QUOTE]I have read about 20 articles that foreigners will be allowed in September 21. My chicas have been sending me articles. Nowhere have I read anywhere that once the travel ban is lifted, I cannot go. In fact, I have been down on going and my chicas have been insisting that I can come.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2484518]There is a number of people who really need such flights, beginning with Colombia citizens stuck abroad or foreign citizens stuck in Colombia who desperately want to go back home, but regular travellers for tourism are not allowed.[/QUOTE]Maybe there are stranded Colombians, but I listed I was an American and was sold a ticket. I have not seen ANY information where tourists are not allowed. Again, show me the links to back up what you are saying. The articles I have read says the government is opening up beaches for tourism and discouraging vendors from bugging beach patrons. That is a move that seems squarely aimed at pleasing tourists.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2484518]The last official announcement from the Ministerio was made at the end of August (Decreto 1168 del 25 de agosto de 2020) and stated that borders will be kept closed at least until 1st October.[/QUOTE]Sigh. No, the land and sea borders that will be kept closed until October 1.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2484518]FYI, some flights between Bogota / Cartagena and Europe (Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, London) have been scheduled already from 15 to 30 September, to serve those in need of "essential travel". This does not mean that I can board and go to Colombia.

Certainly, I wish you will succeed, but I am really curious to know how do you plan to ask the authorization to travel, what kind of "essential travel" could be mentioned to Embassy.[/QUOTE]All but "essential travel" was banned between the USA and Mexico. During that ban, I have been to Mexico 8 or so times. Still, I have not seen that phrasing used with the USA and Colombia. Please post links that says that travel to Colombia has to be essential after September 21.

This was the lead story on Zero hedge today: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/nashville-authorities-concealed-evidence-hardly-any-covid-19-cases-contracted-bars-and[/URL].

It is not that Corona is a hoax. Corona being spread is a huge issue at construction sites, meat packing plants, prisons, and among families. The hoax is where it is not spreading and commonly thought to be: restaurants, bars, airplanes, hair salons.

Someone posted restricting movement was the key to stopping Corona. If that is the case, then why is corona such a huge issue in nursing homes and prisons?

I am not here to debate Corona. I was just wishing that Colombian health authorities saw through the BS, and they have. Banning international travel did nothing for Colombia except hurt its economy. They are doing the CYA political thing with their mask policy and requiring a negative Covid test. Someone posted in the Bogota forum that businesses were screaming at the Bogota mayor to open up the airport for travel, and she has backed way, way down.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484531]I have read nothing anywhere about permission. Please post a link about this.

I have read about 20 articles that foreigners will be allowed in September 21. My chicas have been sending me articles. Nowhere have I read anywhere that once the travel ban is lifted, I cannot go. In fact, I have been down on going and my chicas have been insisting that I can come.[/QUOTE]It is how they phrased the announcement that is confusing. For example, foreigners are not the same as tourists. The international flight resume this month, that is clear. They also said something like tourists will be allowed in October. Does that mean tourists are not allowed in September? I don't have the link. I am just describing why it is confusing.

Land border is already opened for residents.

I think SJobs and CL may slip thru the crack amongst the confusion before the door is shut again or become more restrictive. Good luck to both!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484553]It is how they phrased the announcement that is confusing. For example, foreigners are not the same as tourists. The international flight resume this month, that is clear. They also said something like tourists will be allowed in October. Does that mean tourists are not allowed in September? I don't have the links. I am just describing why it is confusing.[/QUOTE]I appreciate that, Nounce. I am booked for the 23rd on Spirit to Bogota from FLL and later on Viva to Medellin from Miami that same day. They were both around $150 and I booked the Spirit ticket just two days ago, and it let me book it from FLL but not other cities. The CTG flights were in the $400+ range, so I passed on them even though it seems CTG seems the most receptive to international flights right now.

One of my chicas wanted to go from Barranquilla to Medellin. She was scared of my booking her on Viva air due to frequent cancellations but it was the cheapest and only direct flight to MDE (there was one to EOH? In Medellin), and she got on the plane and to MDE no problem. That tells me the airports are functional now.

This form needs to be filled out prior to going: [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL].

I tried to fill out but I could not as of yet. Maybe I can tomorrow and say I am on the Spirit flight to CTG that is leaving on the 19th and see if there really is a move to block those of us not engaging in "essential travel". I have not seen that anywhere though, and I seriously doubt that such an order is in effect.

On the Medellin guru site post here,[URL]https://medellinguru.com/international-flights/[/URL] this is what I read, Colombia plans to resume international flights to Colombia starting in September with flights planed to resume over a period of three months starting with a pilot in September and a return to "normalization" with tourists in November.

I take that to mean Colombian officials do not expect a lot of tourists given how few flights there are not that tourists are banned from going. We shall see.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484553]Land border is already opened for residents.[/QUOTE]So if I make it in, should I expect a flood of Vennies? Very nice!

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2484518]You and others (also SJobs) seem to fully ignore that one thing is having a ticket for flight that is scheduled and takes off on time, another is [I]being allowed[/I] to board and enter a country. Did you get such permission?

I am happy to hear that on Sep 21 some international flights to Colombia will resume, from LA and even from USA, but where is it written that foreign citizens will be allowed to enter Colombia? And to what purpose?

There is a number of people who really need such flights, beginning with Colombia citizens stuck abroad or foreign citizens stuck in Colombia who desperately want to go back home, but regular travellers for tourism are not allowed..[/QUOTE]I called Viva airline, they assured me the 19th flight from Miami to Medellin is definitely on, and with a US passport I can get on it. I know the airline doesn't represent the official authority, but it is looking good. This official government source clearly stated the two flights on the 19th are the first two inauguration international in and out of Colombia, [URL]https://mintransporte.gov.co/publicaciones/8965/gobierno-nacional-reactiva-de-manera-gradual-la-operacion-de-vuelos-internacionales-a-partir-del-proximo-21-de-septiembre/.[/URL] I'm on the inauguration flight to Medellin! Words cannot express my happiness. I will keep people posted.

The proper term for permission to enter a country is called a visa, with a US passport, you don't need a visa to enter Colombia. As far as I know, they have not changed this.

Man, what would it take to convince people that I placed the right bet? In the scientific world we have a say, when you first propose an idea, people will immediately say you are wrong, then after some facts indicating you are likely to be correct, people will say its trivial, finally, when all the facts confirmed you are completely correct, people will say you are not the first one who come up with the idea.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2484468]I wonder if BMs who try and go to Colombia have a plan for if they get the virus while there. What if they have a bad / strong reaction to Covid?

Is there fear of hooking up with chicks who may or may not have the virus? Do you fear making out and eating pussy when the girl can be asymptomatic?

Have many things opened up in Medellin for people to do outside of wherever they are sleeping?

Whats you plan for when they close the. Air space back up within weeks of opening--like almost al nations have had to do since travel creates virus spikes.

I am still not convinced they will be letting American tourists in. It is amazingly irresponsible and dangerous. We shall see.[/QUOTE]Like many BM have said multiple times, there are a ton of much more dangerous things with much higher likelihood of occurrence associated with mongering. Worrying about getting Covid while mongering is like a solider worrying about getting hit by lightning while dodging bullets on the battlefield.

Disclaimer, I'm in my 30's and very healthy; I run marathons and I get the flu once every five years (I never take the flu shot), so the chance of me having a serious reaction from covid is very low, it's a waste of time to worry about it. I will do my best to respect the safety protocols laid out by the officials, I will not actively trying to spread Covid by hosting or participating in large gatherings. But I will continue mongering, people who worry about to getting infected from mongering should stop monger.

New post there so I don't interrupt this fascinating, riveting, in-depth, all angles, no stone left unturned, research project and expert collaboration of virology, international borders, and real estate speculation.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484553]It is how they phrased the announcement that is confusing. For example, foreigners are not the same as tourists. The international flight resume this month, that is clear. They also said something like tourists will be allowed in October. Does that mean tourists are not allowed in September? I don't have the link. I am just describing why it is confusing.

Land border is already opened for residents.

I think SJobs and CL may slip thru the crack amongst the confusion before the door is shut again or become more restrictive. Good luck to both![/QUOTE]It's interesting what's happening looking at this from available airlines and flights to the Country. COPA sent me a notification that flights would be resuming into Medellin on October 12 and I have been looking at flights. I also decided to see what Avianca had available, and no flights from the USA to Colombia as of yet.

So this is all peculiar in that only Spirit is the way into the Country for the time being? And Spirit of course does fly into Medellin. Almost sounds political somehow with CTG being the first gateway City into the Country. Or perhaps it's because of the higher tourism there.

As far as tourists versus foreigners being allowed into the Country, I highly doubt migracion is going to barring anyone with the PCR test and requisite paperwork on the first "commercial flight" back into the Country. And the airlines will not be allowing any one to board unless all the required paperwork is in order.

So we will all just have to wait until the 21st for the BM's booked on this flight to report back. I suspect we may all be making a mountain out of a mole hill on all this as it's just more paperwork, etc. To travel besides all the security stuff.

New Life is opened, apparently has been since the 31st of last month. One of you is supposed to wear a facemask all the time! They do request that you shower, which is a good idea anyway. Rates are the same as before the shutdown.

Turcos Paradise is closed with a For Rent sign on the door. Was one of my favorite places.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2484597]New post there so I don't interrupt this fascinating, riveting, in-depth, all angles, no stone left unturned, research project and expert collaboration of virology, international borders, and real estate speculation.[/QUOTE]That's downright nasty looking those titties on her. Never seen anything quite like that before. You should post the photo's here so everyone can Gasp in disbelief and envy!

I really don't care, as long as she knows how to fuck. Quality solely relates to looks as I'm describing it. I also hope for quality skills.

But Mr. E, seriously, you have been around long enough to know that there are reasons why some of these girls do not graduate on time. Maybe they started late. Maybe they missed a year of school because of their home situation. Maybe the girl was sick at one point. I did not ask her. But I'm not ready to judge her intelligence only by the fact she's finishing HS this fall. Think of how many chicas in CO never finish school or end up going back to school at 22,23, or later to finish.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2484421]So you really have a thing for chicks that get held back 3 times? In my day they used to call that retarded. I guess by quality you do not mean intelligence. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Amazingly irresponsible and dangerous to whom?

As for me, I could get COVID here or there. I try to be careful, but there is no guarantee. But while I am cautious, I am not going to be like some who are paralyzed with fear (e. G. , Howard Stearn). I do not want to live life this way. I stand as much chance of getting COVID from one of my students at the university as with a Colombiana I know well. At least in my opinion.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2484468] It is amazingly irresponsible and dangerous. We shall see.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484592]
The proper term for permission to enter a country is called a visa, with a US passport, you don't need a visa to enter Colombia. As far as I know, they have not changed[/QUOTE]You still miss what I say. So I give you examples. Regular immigration rules have not been valid in the last 6 months.

US citizens do not need a visa to enter Europe, but still they cannot enter Europe without 14 days quarantine.

European citizens do not need a visa to enter Indonesia or Singapore, but still they CANNOT enter there without a special authorisation (permission) granted upon providing sound explanation of the reason of the essential travel. In Singapore, in case permission is granted, 14 days quarantine at traveller expense is enforced. I may enumerate many such examples in the world.

You might take advantage of the lack of coordination in Colombia, and I wish you good luck, but I still did not see an official statement about the rules to grant permission to enter Colombia. I suggest to check with the Colombia Embassy in USA. Also, I understand that being allowed to return to USA easily or not for you is not an issue.

Good luck is what I can tell you! (but be careful).

I am curious sjob. How much did you pay for this flight. The prices seem very high.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484592]I called Viva airline, they assured me the 19th flight from Miami to Medellin is definitely on, and with a US passport I can get on it. I know the airline doesn't represent the official authority, but it is looking good. This official government source clearly stated the two flights on the 19th are the first two inauguration international in and out of Colombia, [URL]https://mintransporte.gov.co/publicaciones/8965/gobierno-nacional-reactiva-de-manera-gradual-la-operacion-de-vuelos-internacionales-a-partir-del-proximo-21-de-septiembre/.[/URL] I'm on the inauguration flight to Medellin! Words cannot express my happiness. I will keep people posted.

The proper term for permission to enter a country is called a visa, with a US passport, you don't need a visa to enter Colombia. As far as I know, they have not changed this.

Man, what would it take to convince people that I placed the right bet? In the scientific world we have a say, when you first propose an idea, people will immediately say you are wrong, then after some facts indicating you are likely to be correct, people will say its trivial, finally, when all the facts confirmed you are completely correct, people will say you are not the first one who come up with the idea.[/QUOTE].

What Does it mean when a seeking profile In medellin says "I'm a boy not a girl". The profile says she is a female. in the picture she looks very much like a female but then at the end of the profile it says "I'm a boy not a girl". This is just confusing.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484592]I called Viva airline, they assured me the 19th flight from Miami to Medellin is definitely on, and with a US passport I can get on it. I know the airline doesn't represent the official authority, but it is looking good. This official government source clearly stated the two flights on the 19th are the first two inauguration international in and out of Colombia, [URL]https://mintransporte.gov.co/publicaciones/8965/gobierno-nacional-reactiva-de-manera-gradual-la-operacion-de-vuelos-internacionales-a-partir-del-proximo-21-de-septiembre/.[/URL] I'm on the inauguration flight to Medellin! [/QUOTE]The two "inauguration" flights you speak of as related to the official source are both associated with Cartegena, not Medellin.

"For that day on Saturday, September 19, the first flight of the Spirit company is scheduled to arrive, from Fort Lauderdale, in the United States, which will arrive at the Rafael Núñez airport in the city of Cartagena at 12:37 pm The second flight, operated by the Colombian company Viva Air, it will leave the same terminal bound for Miami at 11:40 am".

That said your Medellin flight might still be good. Good luck.

Really dude. Whats there not to understand LOL

[QUOTE=Frank11;2484629]What Does it mean when a seeking profile In medellin says "I'm a boy not a girl". The profile says she is a female. in the picture she looks very much like a female but then at the end of the profile it says "I'm a boy not a girl". This is just confusing.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484592]I called Viva airline, they assured me the 19th flight from Miami to Medellin is definitely on, and with a US passport I can get on it. I know the airline doesn't represent the official authority, but it is looking good.[/QUOTE]That is really good to hear. I have a flight on Viva too. Now I may have to decide if I want to go to Bogota earlier on Spirit or go right to MDE with Viva later that night. I probably will go earlier. I would rather pass the time in Colombia than Florida.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484592]I'm on the inauguration flight to Medellin! Words cannot express my happiness. I will keep people posted.[/QUOTE]Thanks, SJobs, and hey when you fill out that form here that is required to be filled out before you go, [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL], can you let us all know if there are any surprises? I doubt there is, but I would just like to know.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484592]Man, what would it take to convince people that I placed the right bet? In the scientific world we have a say, when you first propose an idea, people will immediately say you are wrong, then after some facts indicating you are likely to be correct, people will say its trivial, finally, when all the facts confirmed you are completely correct, people will say you are not the first one who come up with the idea.[/QUOTE]Someone called those of us going the canaries in the coal mine. Shit, it is more like the first penguins to jump into a sea loaded with the most tasty fish in the world. Tall Man and others have been going on about how great it is, and I just cannot get over how many people still fear so easily what the media tells them to. In a few months, everybody is going to be pretending that they said what I said about Covid.

Steve, there are a few other things. With Covid, while I appreciate your sense of adventure, Covid is very real, and while it probably would not kill you, it can hurt you and possibly permanently. Thing about people with Covid is, and I know this may surprise you, but they actually look sick. You have a girl that is coughing, running a fever, bloodshot eyes, then stay away. Somehow this bullshit has been spread that people with Covid may not know they have it and can give it to you. That is just so rare as to almost not be true. You do not have to get into any of the symptoms unless you want to. If the girl does not look sick, then have your fun. Worrying about an asymptomatic woman giving you Covid is like worrying about getting struck by lightning.

Also, if you could, tell me where you are staying and if they have an open gym. I am probably going to be staying at the Marriott and I am going to call them and see if the gym there is open. I do not think the free standing gyms in Colombia are open (someone correct me if I am wrong), but I know the gym at the Marriott in Santa Marta is open, and I think the one in Medellin has an open gym as well. That is important to me, and the chicas I know are dying to get a chance to work out.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2484627]I am curious sjob. How much did you pay for this flight. The prices seem very high..[/QUOTE]I got a one way flight from FLL to BOG for $133 yesterday.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484596]Like many BM have said multiple times, there are a ton of much more dangerous things with much higher likelihood of occurrence associated with mongering. Worrying about getting Covid while mongering is like a solider worrying about getting hit by lightning while dodging bullets on the battlefield.

Disclaimer, I'm in my 30's and very healthy; I run marathons and I get the flu once every five years (I never take the flu shot), so the chance of me having a serious reaction from covid is very low, it's a waste of time to worry about it. I will do my best to respect the safety protocols laid out by the officials, I will not actively trying to spread Covid by hosting or participating in large gatherings. But I will continue mongering, people who worry about to getting infected from mongering should stop monger.[/QUOTE]As invincible as you think you are, you are not, and there are other mongers like myself that have concerns about being exposed to COVID, and for me personally being an El Centro street rat I believe my exposure level will be much higher because of the way I roll.

Regardless, and damn the torpedos, I'm thinking of returning next month, albeit I'm going to curtail / change how I roll and just shack up with a few girls versus shooting fish in a barrel every day in El Centro.

Another thing for those who will be returning, it would be good to make sure you have health insurance. Just in case, I'm looking at a travellers policy thru Blue Cross / Blue Shield which is associated with nine Hospitals in Medellin, including Tobon which is the best in town.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2484629]What Does it mean when a seeking profile In medellin says "I'm a boy not a girl". The profile says she is a female. in the picture she looks very much like a female but then at the end of the profile it says "I'm a boy not a girl". This is just confusing.[/QUOTE]It means they have a penis.

The prices are high because there is high pent up demand. Give it a couple of weeks to die down and you will see the normal prices return.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2484627]I am curious sjob. How much did you pay for this flight. The prices seem very high..[/QUOTE]

Pay close attention when using Tinder. Some of these trans guys look as good or better than the rest of the "real" chicas. And sometimes the type-off is very subtle.

One time I was not paying attention and I swiped right. And at least the guy said "did you read my profile carefully?" I am glad he asked! Yikes!

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2484646]It means they have a penis.[/QUOTE]

I think what confuses me about this thread is why would someone coming from a country that only India exceeds for coronavirus infections and deaths is worried about plans for dealing with an infection in Colombia. Public health officials agree that on the whole the probability for getting infected is far higher in the United States than it is in Colombia. Does it really take a pandemic to understand no one should travel. Or stay home. Without health insurance of some kind?

[QUOTE=SJobs;2484596]Like many BM have said multiple times, there are a ton of much more dangerous things with much higher likelihood of occurrence associated with mongering. Worrying about getting Covid while mongering is like a solider worrying about getting hit by lightning while dodging bullets on the battlefield.

Disclaimer, I'm in my 30's and very healthy; I run marathons and I get the flu once every five years (I never take the flu shot), so the chance of me having a serious reaction from covid is very low, it's a waste of time to worry about it. I will do my best to respect the safety protocols laid out by the officials, I will not actively trying to spread Covid by hosting or participating in large gatherings. But I will continue mongering, people who worry about to getting infected from mongering should stop monger.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2484637]Really dude. Whats there not to understand LOL.[/QUOTE]If someone asks a question. They really do not know. Why not be helpful first? Please answer the question first. Afterwards be a funny, jerk, or whatever.

Answer: The person is a guy who looks like girl and wants to be treated girlie like. Joke: Except they want their ass torn up.

Advice: If you ever see a person and have any questions / doubts, you walk away. You read something that gave you questions / doubts. So walk away.

Hey guys thanks for explaining this. The wingmen have my back! lol

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2484658]Pay close attention when using Tinder. Some of these trans guys look as good or better than the rest of the "real" chicas. And sometimes the type-off is very subtle.

One time I was not paying attention and I swiped right. And at least the guy said "did you read my profile carefully?" I am glad he asked! Yikes![/QUOTE]Yes, be on the look out for broad shoulders, masculine facial features, etc. Plus a lot of the trans people already have had their junk chopped off.

I noticed a lot of trans people on tinder (because I just auto swipe right on everything) in Colombia.

However, in Brazil tinder, the amount of trans profiles was exponentially higher.

I actually met a 'girl' at the mall here in the USA, who was visiting from Brazil. She was 5'10, skinny, bunda, and fake tits.

I didn't realize till several months later, after talking to her on Instagram and planning a trip to go visit her (she explained she was a post-op tranny. Obviously that ended my vacation plans). All of my friends thought she was a female when they saw her Insta, also.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2484606]That's downright nasty looking those titties on her. Never seen anything quite like that before. You should post the photo's here so everyone can Gasp in disbelief and envy![/QUOTE]Thanks! One of the few posts that offers information on a girl, a picture too (very rare), and contact information on the girl (super rare). Out of the last 300 posts I think there are maybe 39 posts that are useful. So 261 useless posts in my estimation. They are unique tits. Big and dark. I like them and she is thin.

It is amazing you so many guys rarely call out all the endless BS told here. But real stuff that can be proven and helpful is what gets called out. If a girl is not your cup of tea then simply shut the hell up because the next one might be your type but you will never know because he will not post any more pictures. He might. I know I won't.

SJobs. The last ticket you bought on Viva from Miami to Medellin on the 19th is still available for sale. Thought you should know.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2484629]What Does it mean when a seeking profile In medellin says "I'm a boy not a girl". The profile says she is a female. in the picture she looks very much like a female but then at the end of the profile it says "I'm a boy not a girl". This is just confusing.[/QUOTE]To add a bit. A lot of the trans women (born male, but identify as females in many cases) want to be admired and seen as women. They may go to great lengths to be feminine. Multiple surgeries, some to just change subtle facial features, for example, to make themselves look feminine. But. If they are in the business it is necessary to mention the other part. Otherwise no end of trouble. And, whether you or I like it or not, there is a big demand for such.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2484627]I am curious sjob. How much did you pay for this flight. The prices seem very high..[/QUOTE]The price varies a lot, I thinking it depends heavily and availability. I brought my viva Miami ticket for 19th for about 450 dollars, my spirit 21st FLL flight for about the same price. I brought my 23rd sport FLL flight for about 100 dollars.

Immigration bulletin: for those planning to enter Colombia.

The Director General of Migration Colombia, Juan Francisco Espinosa Palacios, announced the non-requirement of a PCR COVID-19 test for those travelers who arrive in the country on humanitarian or commercial flights before September 30.

Espinosa Palacios clarified that although the requirement for PCR COVID-19 tests will not be made before September 30, travelers who enter from abroad before that date are obliged to take the test once they are in Colombia and must comply with a mandatory isolation measure for fourteen (14) days, which will be supervised by the health authorities of each municipality.

The head of the Colombian immigration authority recalled the importance of filling out the Check-Mig application by travelers to streamline the immigration control process, as well as the obligation to report health status through the Coronapp application, prior to the trip and during the 14 days after it.

[URL]https://migracioncolombia.gov.co/infografias/viajar-a-colombia[/URL]

I am a Colombian Immigration attorney, if you have any questions use the contact me section on my site:

[URL]https://www.owentaylorattorney.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2484602]It's interesting what's happening looking at this from available airlines and flights to the Country. COPA sent me a notification that flights would be resuming into Medellin on October 12 and I have been looking at flights. I also decided to see what Avianca had available, and no flights from the USA to Colombia as of yet. So this is all peculiar in that only Spirit is the way into the Country for the time being?.[/QUOTE]Jetblue has a FLL to MDE scheduled for Oct. 1. The current price is 550 one way.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2484675]To add a bit. A lot of the trans women (born male, but identify as females in many cases) want to be admired and seen as women. They may go to great lengths to be feminine. Multiple surgeries, some to just change subtle facial features, for example, to make themselves look feminine. But. If they are in the business it is necessary to mention the other part. Otherwise no end of trouble. And, whether you or I like it or not, there is a big demand for such.[/QUOTE]Doesn't bother me that theres demand for transgenders. Doesn't bother me what 2 people do in private. You're a guy that wants to dress like a girl fine. You like ladyboys fine. Have at it. Theres lots of them out there. What irritates the f out of me is having to filter out all the ladyboys on tinder. Completely ruins the whole platform for me. I wish there would be some acknowledgement that a ladyboy is not a lady and should be in its own category. There should be a ladyboy selection on the drop down where you select male or female and you should be able to select what you are looking for male, female, trans, whatever and not be shown others.

I'm sure trans people get a kick out of "fooling" us heterosexual guys into swiping right, but like you said, that's a recipe for disaster in the long run. I've never met a guy or heard of any hetero guy who found out later that his date has a penis and said to himself 'hey that's kinda cool!

[URL]https://migracioncolombia.gov.co/infografias/viajar-a-colombia[/URL]

SJ, CL, Elvis, you can tak PCR test after you arrive before September 30 but you need to figure out what to do during the 14 days quarantine. I don't envy you at this point because of that, jaja.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484703][URL]https://migracioncolombia.gov.co/infografias/viajar-a-colombia[/URL]

SJ, CL, Elvis, you don't need PCR test before you leave but you need to figure out what to do during the quarantine. I don't envy you at this point because of that, jaja.[/QUOTE]It's easy to find a place that offers PCR test with a 24 HR turnaround time. They charge about 200 dollars for the test, I have my appointment today, so I don't think I need to quarantine, but even if I do need to quarantine, I'm more than happy to do it, life can't get any worse than in the US right now.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2484697]What irritates the f out of me is having to filter out all the ladyboys on tinder. Completely ruins the whole platform for me. I wish there would be some acknowledgement that a ladyboy is not a lady and should be in its own category. There should be a ladyboy selection on the drop down where you select male or female and you should be able to select what you are looking for male, female, trans, whatever and not be shown others.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And especialy bad when you only get a limited number of clicks and clicked on a couple of dudes by mistake. A couple of years ago I did click and report ladyboys in the female section just to see what would happen. Them mfs banned my ass!

[QUOTE=Frank11;2484629]What Does it mean when a seeking profile In medellin says "I'm a boy not a girl". The profile says she is a female. in the picture she looks very much like a female but then at the end of the profile it says "I'm a boy not a girl". This is just confusing.[/QUOTE]I may only suggest you "go and see by yourself". Empirical evidence is more effective than any theoretical explanation. Just please report back here your findings.

Good information here. Thank you Nounce.

Now if we only find out if the Colombian government is going to allow International flights coming in that are longer than 3 hours? I'll be planning to go so then.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484703][URL]https://migracioncolombia.gov.co/infografias/viajar-a-colombia[/URL]

SJ, CL, Elvis, you can tak PCR test after you arrive before September 30 but you need to figure out what to do during the 14 days quarantine. I don't envy you at this point because of that, jaja.[/QUOTE].

You misunderstood the announcement. The PCR test and the 14 day quarantine are an either / or requirement for passengers arriving before September 30 or those arriving on humanitarian flights. The announcement does not say what the requirements will be for passengers who arrive after September 30.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484703][URL]https://migracioncolombia.gov.co/infografias/viajar-a-colombia[/URL]

SJ, CL, Elvis, you can tak PCR test after you arrive before September 30 but you need to figure out what to do during the 14 days quarantine. I don't envy you at this point because of that, jaja.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frank11;2484629]What Does it mean when a seeking profile In medellin says "I'm a boy not a girl". The profile says she is a female. in the picture she looks very much like a female but then at the end of the profile it says "I'm a boy not a girl". This is just confusing.[/QUOTE]Meet the person, go down on them and find out!

LOL.

How can people not be able to understand that there are chicks with dicks out there? Look in the Barranquilla section of this board--some guy osted about his hook-ups--but one of the pictures is clearly a man who the BM thought was a woman LOL!

[QUOTE=Sandymnn;2484603]...................Turcos Paradise is closed with a For Rent sign on the door. Was one of my favorite places.[/QUOTE]I sincerely hope its not Paradiso to which you are referring.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2484730]Exactly. And especialy bad when you only get a limited number of clicks and clicked on a couple of dudes by mistake. A couple of years ago I did click and report ladyboys in the female section just to see what would happen. Them mfs banned my ass![/QUOTE]I think you violated their non-discrimination policy. Equal opportunities for all genders also in your bed!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484703][URL]https://migracioncolombia.gov.co/infografias/viajar-a-colombia[/URL]

SJ, CL, Elvis, you can tak PCR test after you arrive before September 30 but you need to figure out what to do during the 14 days quarantine. I don't envy you at this point because of that, jaja.[/QUOTE]Don't know what quarantine you are referring to. Nothing says you have to quarantine on arrival. I guess if you are in contact with someone that has it you would. That could be triggered on the app you need to use.

I read a post from a Colombian immigration laywer explaining this article. His response was that with a valid PCR test 72 hrs before boarding the plane you do not have to quarentine but if you do not have a valid test you must get one as soon as you arrive and must quarantine for 14 days and be tracked by some corona app. I forget what the app was now. But again this is hearsay so take it for what you will.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484703][URL]https://migracioncolombia.gov.co/infografias/viajar-a-colombia[/URL]

SJ, CL, Elvis, you can tak PCR test after you arrive before September 30 but you need to figure out what to do during the 14 days quarantine. I don't envy you at this point because of that, jaja.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luminus;2484788]I read a post from a Colombian immigration laywer explaining this article. His response was that with a valid PCR test 72 hrs before boarding the plane you do not have to quarentine but if you do not have a valid test you must get one as soon as you arrive and must quarantine for 14 days and be tracked by some corona app. I forget what the app was now. But again this is hearsay so take it for what you will.[/QUOTE]Well that is exactly what the link he posted says. If you arrive on a humanitarian flight or your trip is before Sep 30 then you must arrive with the negative test or do a 14 day quarantine that is supervised by the health authorities.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2484786]Don't know what quarantine you are referring to. Nothing says you have to quarantine on arrival. I guess if you are in contact with someone that has it you would. That could be triggered on the app you need to use.[/QUOTE]There are "14 dias" and "aislamiento" at the lower left corner. What is not clear to me is what should happen if you take PCR test before you board.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484797]There are "14 dias" and "aislamiento" at the lower left corner. What is not clear to me is what should happen if you take PCR test before you board.[/QUOTE]I believe part of the process requires you, step # 3 on what Mr. E posted that you download the Corona App onto your smartphone besides the PCR test beforehand, and then report the status of your health or something like that. We need more details on this part, maybe the App sends you notifications or something you need to respond to.

"Big Brother" will be with you, and you will be tracked and they will know your whereabouts. It will almost be like being in China, before you know it, anywhere you want to go you will have to have your phone with you to get in and out of places!

If you take the test and have results you are fine. No quarantine. It states si NO Cuentas con prueba.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484797]There are "14 dias" and "aislamiento" at the lower left corner. What is not clear to me is what should happen if you take PCR test before you board.[/QUOTE]

Those expat groups are full of posts that promote real estate and legal services from Colombian providers. As always, I encourage everyone to consult the official sources to make travel decisions and leave the interpretations and second links via expat groups in the entertainment zone. In this case the second hand report is largely accurate although the use of the coronapp is not explicitly required on the Colombian Immigration website or the Ministry of Transportation web site.

[QUOTE=TvFan;2484683]Immigration bulletin: for those planning to enter Colombia.

The Director General of Migration Colombia, Juan Francisco Espinosa Palacios, announced the non-requirement of a PCR COVID-19 test for those travelers who arrive in the country on humanitarian or commercial flights before September 30.

Espinosa Palacios clarified that although the requirement for PCR COVID-19 tests will not be made before September 30, travelers who enter from abroad before that date are obliged to take the test once they are in Colombia and must comply with a mandatory isolation measure for fourteen (14) days, which will be supervised by the health authorities of each municipality.

The head of the Colombian immigration authority recalled the importance of filling out the Check-Mig application by travelers to streamline the immigration control process, as well as the obligation to report health status through the Coronapp application, prior to the trip and during the 14 days after it.[/QUOTE]

Neither does the announcement say the corona app is a requirement. It describes it as recommended to facilitate travel. That app is not new by the way. Daniel Quintero, the mayor of Medellin, has been pushing it hard since April. I guess it's easy for me to say but it is not something I would be willing to use, at least not as intended. It's very simple to put it on a smartphone that you leave powered up in your apartment. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. It's just that I don't see a benefit in giving away personal data when you don't have to.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2484786]Don't know what quarantine you are referring to. Nothing says you have to quarantine on arrival. I guess if you are in contact with someone that has it you would. That could be triggered on the app you need to use.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2484688]Jetblue has a FLL to MDE scheduled for Oct. 1. The current price is 550 one way.[/QUOTE]Good news!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2484826]Those expat groups are full of posts that promote real estate and legal services from Colombian providers. As always, I encourage everyone to consult the official sources to make travel decisions and leave the interpretations and second links via expat groups in the entertainment zone. In this case the second hand report is largely accurate although the use of the coronapp is not explicitly required on the Colombian Immigration website or the Ministry of Transportation web site.[/QUOTE]We need clarification on the Corona App business as the flyer from migration that Mr. E posted shows registration with the Corona App, IE. Big Brother!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2484831]Neither does the announcement say the corona app is a requirement. It describes it as recommended to facilitate travel. That app is not new by the way. Daniel Quintero, the mayor of Medellin, has been pushing it hard since April. I guess it's easy for me to say but it is not something I would be willing to use, at least not as intended. It's very simple to put it on a smartphone that you leave powered up in your apartment. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. It's just that I don't see a benefit in giving away personal data when you don't have to.[/QUOTE]The link that was provided seems clear. The app is required. You download it when you do the pre-flight report, and then you report through it as necessary for 14 days it appears.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2484854]The link that was provided seems clear. The app is required. You download it when you do the pre-flight report, and then you report through it as necessary for 14 days it appears.[/QUOTE]Seem clear as mud, I guess nobody seems to really know what will be required and what you will have to do for the 14 days they mention. What happens if somebody doesn't have a smart phone like a child or someone who doesn't have one, are they denied entry.

It's a real an invasion of privacy having them being able to track you, etc. Albeit my smartphone stays locked up in my apartment and I carry a burner phone with me. What I do know is they tried the Corona App at three malls in Medellin earlier this year to enter, and it was abandoned after a while. A boner killer for sure to enter a mall, yet in China you almost don't even get to take a piss without using their APP. I don't like the way things are headed with all of this!

Anyways, we all may be stuck with having to utilize the Corona App to get into the Country, and I guess will find out from SJobs and others as they go thru the process.

Maybe to be taken with a pinch of salt but my driver today was telling me that starting this weekend bars and restaurants are able to serve alcohol up until midnight.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2484812]If you take the test and have results you are fine. No quarantine. It states si NO Cuentas con prueba.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the explanation. I guess they really want tourists to come.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2484840]We need clarification on the Corona App business as the flyer from migration that Mr. E posted shows registration with the Corona App, IE. Big Brother![/QUOTE]I think you use it to report your health condition for 14 days after arrival. Other countries do it by SMS or have someone come to your place to take your temperature a couple of times a day.

First of all, thank you everyone took his time to answer my questions before. I appreciate it.

I valuated a few alternatives, especially Uganda, but then I decided for Medellin. I bought the tickets. I should fly in October, if they do not cancel the flights. I will stay for a couple of weeks.

- Which are the best places to stay? I mean, which zones of the city I should consider for my accommodation?

- Can I use Uber in Medellin?

- Can I buy a local SIM card?

- Prices on prepagos are the same you get when you go in a brothel or you negotiate with a girl you meet on Tinder?

- Is it possible negotiate the prices I see on prepagos? I want to get the most of what I pay for.

- Do all the girls usually do GFE, FK (deep) and OWO?

- I have seen many prepagos girls do incall, which is the additional cost for outcall? Should I go to their place or should I take them to my place?

- How much is usually Uber for a 20 minutes trip?

- Which are the zones I should completely avoid or I should avoid just during the night?

- Where I can find the most beautiful girls?

- Is it a good practice pass by a girl on a street and speak to her? Which approach should I use in this case? Should I go straight to the point and offer her money?

- Which are the best places for nightlife?

- I have seen the temperature can drop till 17ºsee in September. Should I take some jeans with me, or can I stay in Bermuda all the time? Would I need a jumper? I want to travel light.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484903]Thank you for the explanation. I guess they really want tourists to come.

I think you use it to report your health condition for 14 days after arrival. Other countries do it by SMS or have someone come to your place to take your temperature a couple of times a day.[/QUOTE]I can have them come by and check my temperature while I'm in El Centro between sessions.

You would think after a negative COVID test that would be it, hopefully there's no silly monitoring requirements and it's no more than just being able to contact you.

We will all know within a few days as SJobs will be our Guinea pig, and if it isn't too onerous, I will be booking flights.

I'm currently going thru my Rolodex of street urchins and will be lining them up!

I am learning via this thread that I have led a much more sheltered life than I realized.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2484667]Yes, be on the look out for broad shoulders, masculine facial features, etc. Plus a lot of the trans people already have had their junk chopped off.

I noticed a lot of trans people on tinder (because I just auto swipe right on everything) in Colombia.

However, in Brazil tinder, the amount of trans profiles was exponentially higher.

I actually met a 'girl' at the mall here in the USA, who was visiting from Brazil. She was 5'10, skinny, bunda, and fake tits.

I didn't realize till several months later, after talking to her on Instagram and planning a trip to go visit her (she explained she was a post-op tranny. Obviously that ended my vacation plans). All of my friends thought she was a female when they saw her Insta, also.[/QUOTE]

He is referring to the place on calle 54.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2484775]I sincerely hope its not Paradiso to which you are referring.[/QUOTE]

It's not like that. When the shopping malls first opened you had to use an app as a condition of entry. That has since gone away. Step 3 is described in the announcement as "important" and "a way for authorities to make decisions and track health". I did not understand that it is mandatory but I will re-read the announcement. Conspicuous in its absence for me is information about what will the procedures and rules be for people who arrive after September 30.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2484800]I believe part of the process requires you, step # 3 on what Mr. E posted that you download the Corona App onto your smartphone besides the PCR test beforehand, and then report the status of your health or something like that. We need more details on this part, maybe the App sends you notifications or something you need to respond to.

"Big Brother" will be with you, and you will be tracked and they will know your whereabouts. It will almost be like being in China, before you know it, anywhere you want to go you will have to have your phone with you to get in and out of places![/QUOTE]

$550 one way? Holy fuckballs, that is downright rapacious. There must be very high demand. I think I would probably wait it out until the fares get back to reality.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2484838]Good news![/QUOTE]

I can help clarify the announcement. The announcement uses this language (translated): Are you thinking of traveling to Colombia? Keep the following recommendations in mind. Note the use of the word "recommendations" instead of "requirements" or other language. The announcement states a single (e. G. Only one) requirement. It states it will be demanded by both the airline and by Colombian immigration. That requirement is the PCR test result that is no more than 96 hours old. It is listed as #1. Those who are planning to take flights should probably confirm whether the airlines will in fact require the test result as a condition of boarding.

#2 - Fill out a landing card on the Colombia immigration web site up to 24 hours before your flight and at least 1 hour before your flight. The announcement goes on to say it will make your immigration control process "much faster and safer". My interpretation of this is the online landing card is not a requirement but it will shorten your time in the immigration area which also makes it a safer process because it reduces the time the area will be crowded with passengers. That form has been on the immigration web site since mid March by the way.

#3 - The announcement recommends (as distinct from requires as a condition of entry or a condition of remaining in Colombia) you download the Coronapp and use it to report your health status before your flight and for 14 days after your flight. It goes on to say "In Colombia we worry about your health". There is no mention of the Orwellian surveillance, deportation and entry ban threats, and other nightmare scenarios.

#4 - Wear a mask and wash your hands is the final recommendation.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2484854]The link that was provided seems clear. The app is required. You download it when you do the pre-flight report, and then you report through it as necessary for 14 days it appears.[/QUOTE]

Neither the link nor the screenshot of it that you attached make any mention of a 14 day quarantine. It does mention that is recommended that passengers download the Coronapp and use it to report their health status "before" (it does not specify for what period before) their flight and for 14 days after their flight. It is very misleading to suggest the government has announced visitors will be subject to a quarantine. That may yet happen but it has not happened so far.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2484795]Well that is exactly what the link he posted says. If you arrive on a humanitarian flight or your trip is before Sep 30 then you must arrive with the negative test or do a 14 day quarantine that is supervised by the health authorities.[/QUOTE]

My novia, A Colombian National, will fly to Miami on Sept 25th and return to Colombia on Oct 1. I have been searching the internet on where we can get a PCR test and get the results within 4 days of her return flight without much success. Can anyone tell me if she returns to Colombia without that test will they turn her away and refuse entry?

Thanks for any info provided!

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2484929]My novia, A Colombian National, will fly to Miami on Sept 25th and return to Colombia on Oct 1. I have been searching the internet on where we can get a PCR test and get the results within 4 days of her return flight without much success. Can anyone tell me if she returns to Colombia without that test will they turn her away and refuse entry?

Thanks for any info provided![/QUOTE]As a Colombian National she should not be refused entry; and this malady has nothing to do with it, - this is my understanding. Likely, there are private providers who can do the test promptly at a fee. I don't know if you should consider a situation of 'denied boarding', but you can verify it with the airline.

The app has your incoming flight recorded. If anyone gets the virus that was on board with you they know you were on the same flight and subsequently have you go on quarantine. Has far as people complaining about having to go on the app then just don't go to Colombia.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2484903]Thank you for the explanation. I guess they really want tourists to come.

I think you use it to report your health condition for 14 days after arrival. Other countries do it by SMS or have someone come to your place to take your temperature a couple of times a day.[/QUOTE].

If you don't mind me asking, how much is the traveler's policy? What you described sounds better than the EPS inclusions.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2484641]As invincible as you think you are, you are not, and there are other mongers like myself that have concerns about being exposed to COVID, and for me personally being an El Centro street rat I believe my exposure level will be much higher because of the way I roll.

Regardless, and damn the torpedos, I'm thinking of returning next month, albeit I'm going to curtail / change how I roll and just shack up with a few girls versus shooting fish in a barrel every day in El Centro.

Another thing for those who will be returning, it would be good to make sure you have health insurance. Just in case, I'm looking at a travellers policy thru Blue Cross / Blue Shield which is associated with nine Hospitals in Medellin, including Tobon which is the best in town.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Questner;2484934]As a Colombian National she should not be refused entry; and this malady has nothing to do with it, - this is my understanding. Likely, there are private providers who can do the test promptly at a fee. I don't know if you should consider a situation of 'denied boarding', but you can verify it with the airline.[/QUOTE]"private providers who can do the test promptly at a fee" in Colombia on arrival or in Miami?

I am here living on and off for many years, always using two ATM cards from the same US bank in order to get cash. Usually hitting Davivienda and Bancolombia. Every month I take out about USD $500-$700. Every year during Sep-Oct I take out an additional $500 every other week since I am paying my rent for the year all in one shot.

Starting this past June my two ATM cards (same bank) no longer work. I get Error Formato Red or transaccion anulado. My bank tells me there is no attempt on their side for an ATM withdrawal.

So I opened a new account with Cap1 360 and received a new ATM card (a different bank), letting them know that I travel all the time and will be using the ATM here in Colombia starting last week.

Same error.

Is anyone having issues with their US based ATM cards in Colombia?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2484929]My novia, A Colombian National, will fly to Miami on Sept 25th and return to Colombia on Oct 1. I have been searching the internet on where we can get a PCR test and get the results within 4 days of her return flight without much success. Can anyone tell me if she returns to Colombia without that test will they turn her away and refuse entry?

Thanks for any info provided![/QUOTE]My research turned up a very helpful website: [URL]www.rapidtesttravel.com[/URL]. After you type in your US state and select PCR as the test, crowd-sourced data from travelers then gives you a list of places that can give you a test result in 48 or 24 hours.

As for Florida in the Ft Lauderdale. Miami area, the consensus from another travel forum where they are discussing this PCR test issue at length is to get your test at the Lab Doctor, which is very close to the Ft Lauderdale airport. The clinic give you a result within 24 hours at a cost of $179. Here are their contact details:

[URL]http://www.labdoctor.org[/URL]

1425-A SE 17th Street.

Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316.

Office: 954-530-4447.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2484929]My novia, A Colombian National, will fly to Miami on Sept 25th and return to Colombia on Oct 1. I have been searching the internet on where we can get a PCR test and get the results within 4 days of her return flight without much success. Can anyone tell me if she returns to Colombia without that test will they turn her away and refuse entry?

Thanks for any info provided![/QUOTE]Call stand alone ERs and urgent care clinics in the area she is staying. In my area, it is $200 to get a test done, and you get results in 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484965]Call stand alone ERs and urgent care clinics in the area she is staying. In my area, it is $200 to get a test done, and you get results in 15 minutes.[/QUOTE]Thanks to all you guys!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484965]Call stand alone ERs and urgent care clinics in the area she is staying. In my area, it is $200 to get a test done, and you get results in 15 minutes.[/QUOTE]The 15 minute test is an antigen test. The antigen test is NOT the same as a PCR test.

[URL]https://time.com/5880255/covid-19-tests-types/[/URL]

Scotiabank. It's a Canadian bank that took over Citibank's ATM's in Colombia. They have never, ever failed to deliver funds anywhere in Colombia: Medellin, Cartagena, Perreira, Bogota; their ATM's always work.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2484950]I am here living on and off for many years, always using two ATM cards from the same US bank in order to get cash. Usually hitting Davivienda and Bancolombia. Every month I take out about USD $500-$700. Every year during Sep-Oct I take out an additional $500 every other week since I am paying my rent for the year all in one shot.

Starting this past June my two ATM cards (same bank) no longer work. I get Error Formato Red or transaccion anulado. My bank tells me there is no attempt on their side for an ATM withdrawal.

So I opened a new account with Cap1 360 and received a new ATM card (a different bank), letting them know that I travel all the time and will be using the ATM here in Colombia starting last week.

Same error.

Is anyone having issues with their US based ATM cards in Colombia?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484639]That is really good to hear. I have a flight on Viva too. Now I may have to decide if I want to go to Bogota earlier on Spirit or go right to MDE with Viva later that night. I probably will go earlier. I would rather pass the time in Colombia than Florida.

Thanks, SJobs, and hey when you fill out that form here that is required to be filled out before you go, [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL], can you let us all know if there are any surprises? I doubt there is, but I would just like to know..[/QUOTE]Just filled out the form, it automatically detected my flight, I guess that's a good sign about my Medellin flight. You will have a chance to upload your Covid test result. A bunch of standard questions about whether you are feeling sick or have been quarantined before. I got my negative Covid PCR test result, downloaded the corona app, getting ready to board my flight in the afternoon. Tussi ordered and 18-year-olds lined up. Will report back after I land.

Does anyone know which tests are acceptable? PCR, RT-PCR, RAPID PCR?

[QUOTE=Flak3;2485006]The 15 minute test is an antigen test. The antigen test is NOT the same as a PCR test.

[URL]https://time.com/5880255/covid-19-tests-types/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2484917]He is referring to the place on calle 54.[/QUOTE]I knew it as simply Paradiso. I was hoping against hope. You could have a drink at the bar and chill. They had the hottest chicas. I met a 9 there in one of my last trips of which I reported. Many other top notch which I didn't report. Very bad news for me that they're closed.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2484941]If you don't mind me asking, how much is the traveler's policy? What you described sounds better than the EPS inclusions.[/QUOTE]I had a GeoBlue Trekker policy which was good for stays of up to 60 days in any Country but not an expat policy which expired in April and cost under $ 300 a year. With the Pandemic, I don't know what the current policy fees are / or the new limitations.

I don't know what the EPS (Colombian) insurance covers, but this plan had like $ 500,000 medical evacuation and basically like a $ 50 deductible if you go to one of their associated Hospitals such as Pablo Tobon Uribe, Clinica Las Vegas, etc. And the best part is you don't pay out of pocket and the coverages are not going to be an issue as they were quite high.

For those looking for insurance in the USA that includes overseas coverage, Blue Cross Blue Shield has policy's that will cover you in Colombia and most other parts of the world. They have a network of Hospitals in Medellin that include nine Hospitals which have direct billing arrangements just as though you were in the USA including the ones I mentioned.

Starting in January I will be obtaining this coverage and will no longer have the Trekker policy as basically it offers the same, and COVID is covered.

I think anyone travelling these days out of Country should have insurance, imagine getting in an accident, or whatever, and showing up at a Hospital. It could be a mess, at least with the coverage I'm looking at it should be easier, and hopefully I will never have to use it.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2484926]Neither the link nor the screenshot of it that you attached make any mention of a 14 day quarantine. [/QUOTE]It appears you only read to #4. It's item #5 on the lower left corner.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2484950]I am here living on and off for many years, always using two ATM cards from the same US bank in order to get cash. Usually hitting Davivienda and Bancolombia. Every month I take out about USD $500-$700. Every year during Sep-Oct I take out an additional $500 every other week since I am paying my rent for the year all in one shot.

Starting this past June my two ATM cards (same bank) no longer work. I get Error Formato Red or transaccion anulado. My bank tells me there is no attempt on their side for an ATM withdrawal.

So I opened a new account with Cap1 360 and received a new ATM card (a different bank), letting them know that I travel all the time and will be using the ATM here in Colombia starting last week.

Same error.

Is anyone having issues with their US based ATM cards in Colombia?[/QUOTE]This is really odd what you are reporting. I would suggest the following based on my personal experience withdrawing monies from ATM's over the past four years in Colombia up until March of this year.

1. I don't know which banks ATM cards you were having problems with, but I have two ATM cards from different banks, those being Bank of America and Wells Fargo. I had problems from time to time with the be of A card, but it was typically resolved via text message and related to security and had very few problems with the WF card. The takeway here is it's best to have two different banks cards in case there's a problem with one of the cards.

2. As far as which banks to withdraw from, the best versus the ones your using are Scotiabank.

Hopefully you will get your issues resolved.

Fine.

I'll say it.

BLAKMAN WAS WRONG!

Humanitarian flights (US) were scheduled through Sep 23, at least. Now, the first commercial flight will be Sep 19.

Today is a good day. Suck it, Blakman! .

La 70 has been buzzing, the last couple days. I went out for some drinks, and there is a good energy. It's going to be one hell of a trip for those of you arriving soon!

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2485033]Does anyone know which tests are acceptable? PCR, RT-PCR, RAPID PCR?[/QUOTE]I think you want the type of test that takes sample from your nose or throat. It should contain word PCR on the report. The other words like "nucleic acid" should also help.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2485072]Fine.

I'll say it.

BLAKMAN WAS WRONG!

Humanitarian flights (US) were scheduled through Sep 23, at least. Now, the first commercial flight will be Sep 19.
[/QUOTE]I am not sure. I don't remember how he phrased it. At the time the flight was scheduled, there was no commercial flight. That is different from both flights can exist at the same time.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2484914]I can have them come by and check my temperature while I'm in El Centro between sessions.

You would think after a negative COVID test that would be it, hopefully there's no silly monitoring requirements and it's no more than just being able to contact you.
[/QUOTE]I am referring to other countries. I guess it will just be a multiple choice or yes / no question on the CORONAPP.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2484909]First of all, thank you everyone took his time to answer my questions before. I appreciate it.

I valuated a few alternatives, especially Uganda, but then I decided for Medellin. I bought the tickets. I should fly in October, if they do not cancel the flights. I will stay for a couple of weeks.

- Which are the best places to stay? I mean, which zones of the city I should consider for my accommodation?

- Can I use Uber in Medellin?

- Can I buy a local SIM card?

- Prices on prepagos are the same you get when you go in a brothel or you negotiate with a girl you meet on Tinder?

- Is it possible negotiate the prices I see on prepagos? I want to get the most of what I pay for.

- Do all the girls usually do GFE, FK (deep) and OWO?

- I have seen many prepagos girls do incall, which is the additional cost for outcall? Should I go to their place or should I take them to my place?

- How much is usually Uber for a 20 minutes trip?

- Which are the zones I should completely avoid or I should avoid just during the night?

- Where I can find the most beautiful girls?

- Is it a good practice pass by a girl on a street and speak to her? Which approach should I use in this case? Should I go straight to the point and offer her money?

- Which are the best places for nightlife?

- I have seen the temperature can drop till 17see in September. Should I take some jeans with me, or can I stay in Bermuda all the time? Would I need a jumper? I want to travel light.[/QUOTE]If you pvt. msg to me I can help you. But, don't want to jam up this forum with these standard questions. However, they are valid questions for a new arrival and worthy of response.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2485087]If you pvt. msg to me I can help you. But, don't want to jam up this forum with these standard questions. However, they are valid questions for a new arrival and worthy of response.[/QUOTE]I don't think I can do that sir, it requires a membership I guess, but as for now I do not intend to subscribe, since I just joined. Can't you answer here, please?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2485077]I am not sure. I don't remember how he phrased it. At the time the flight was scheduled, there was no commercial flight. That is different from both flights can exist at the same time.[/QUOTE]SlapShot10 is correct. This is what Blakman posted on Sep 8 :"If theres humanotarian flights scheduled for later this month there will not be international flights. But if there isn't then there will be international flights. Its this simple guys.".

Just goes to show, how deeply you believe in something has no bearing on its correctness.

Also. Don't believe everything you read on the internet! Especially some random skanky hoe board! HAHA.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2485105]SlapShot10 is correct. This is what Blakman posted on Sep 8 :"If theres humanotarian flights scheduled for later this month there will not be international flights. But if there isn't then there will be international flights. Its this simple guys.".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2484892]Maybe to be taken with a pinch of salt but my driver today was telling me that starting this weekend bars and restaurants are able to serve alcohol up until midnight.[/QUOTE]Here are the boots on the ground stats:

Spent 7 hours in and around centro yesterday, Friday Sept 18th and the selection of chicas was as good as before the China virus. I had one great session and my buddy had 2 great sessions with new cute slender and great attitude chicas. The average we paid combined was about 50 mil.

As it approached 8 PM we headed over to the bars around raudal and de grief area, probably 35% are opened but very discreetly with hidden doors to enter, kid you not this is like what prohibition must have been like back in the US in the 1930's.

At about 9 PM we headed over to Maracaibo in centro, yes another hidden wall with secret door to crawl through to get into the make shift club. About 16 to 20 chicas but none to special but so damn glad to see things getting opened. Yes they are serving alcohol. Had a beer and watched a few strip dances then left.

NOW while in bar Maracaibo they inform us that this next Wednesday Barra Executivo next door will have a grand opening. We will check it out!

Lots of life, lots of pussy, lots of activity in the bars behind the Vera.

Now to end the night I drove over to San Diego, the calf area street walkers, wow, even despite the light rain easily spotted a half dozen very cute slender cuties that The Tall Man would love to poke.

The best thing about living in Medellin is that night or day you can find everything you need and at reasonable cost.

Now I just spoke to my wing man and we are headed back to the pussy ground central so were doing this all over again today. Remember ground hog day, the movie, this is what it is like living here.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

As Sjobs is supposed to travel today I am waiting anxiously for his travel report!!

SLAPERRONEOUS. I let data do my talking.

Medellin and Jose Mara seerdova Airport (MDE) departures:

July 4 12:30 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

July 12 12:30 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

July 23 12:30 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

July 30 12:30 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

August 10 12:30 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

August 16 12:30 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

August 23 12:30 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

August 27 12:30 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

September 6 12:30 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

September 10 2:17 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

September 11 2:17 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

September 14 2:17 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

September 16 2:17 pm, Spirit flight NK#6344 to Fort Lauderdale.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2485072]Fine.

I'll say it.

BLAKMAN WAS WRONG!

Humanitarian flights (US) were scheduled through Sep 23, at least. Now, the first commercial flight will be Sep 19.

Today is a good day. Suck it, Blakman! .

La 70 has been buzzing, the last couple days. I went out for some drinks, and there is a good energy. It's going to be one hell of a trip for those of you arriving soon![/QUOTE]

Medellin last schedule Humanitarian flight to Florida was Sept. 16. When does commercial flight into Medellin begin September 19. Simple guys. Lmao

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2485072]Fine.

I'll say it.

BLAKMAN WAS WRONG!

Humanitarian flights (US) were scheduled through Sep 23, at least. Now, the first commercial flight will be Sep 19.

Today is a good day. Suck it, Blakman! .

La 70 has been buzzing, the last couple days. I went out for some drinks, and there is a good energy. It's going to be one hell of a trip for those of you arriving soon![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485026]Just filled out the form, it automatically detected my flight, I guess that's a good sign about my Medellin flight. You will have a chance to upload your Covid test result. A bunch of standard questions about whether you are feeling sick or have been quarantined before. I got my negative Covid PCR test result, downloaded the corona app, getting ready to board my flight in the afternoon. Tussi ordered and 18-year-olds lined up. Will report back after I land.[/QUOTE]Looking forward to the epic report matching slapshot. Good luck man and have fun for the rest of us till we get there one by one.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2485099]Can't you answer here, please?[/QUOTE]Seconded New world, new beginnings. Please do that.

I have been reading this board over the past couple of months since it's been pretty much been centered around your relentless pursuit to get back into MDE. Can yo do us, and yourself a favor, and stop promoting drug use on this board. Do you understand how easily it would be for authorities to figure out who you are as a result of the limited number of flights into MDE? The whole premise of what we do is to NOT draw attention to ourselves.

Some things are best left unsaid.

Good luck,

Judd.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485026]Just filled out the form, it automatically detected my flight, I guess that's a good sign about my Medellin flight. You will have a chance to upload your Covid test result. A bunch of standard questions about whether you are feeling sick or have been quarantined before. I got my negative Covid PCR test result, downloaded the corona app, getting ready to board my flight in the afternoon. Tussi ordered and 18-year-olds lined up. Will report back after I land.[/QUOTE]

Can you tell us a little bit more about your Covid test results?

What kind of Covid test was it?

Where did you get the test?

What was the turn around time?

What was the time printed on the covid test?

Does 96 hours just mean 4 days? Do they check the exact minute of the test against the time of the flight?

Did you have a connecting flight? If so, did they ask for your test on the initial domestic leg?

A picture of the test results would be great, with personal information blurred out would be great. I've never seen one.

Sorry for all the questions.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485026]Just filled out the form, it automatically detected my flight, I guess that's a good sign about my Medellin flight. You will have a chance to upload your Covid test result. A bunch of standard questions about whether you are feeling sick or have been quarantined before. I got my negative Covid PCR test result, downloaded the corona app, getting ready to board my flight in the afternoon. Tussi ordered and 18-year-olds lined up. Will report back after I land.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485026]. I got my negative Covid PCR test result, downloaded the corona app, getting ready to board my flight in the afternoon. Tussi ordered and 18-year-olds lined up. Will report back after I land.[/QUOTE]More power to you, I am envious and we are all waiting to hear more, especially details about how you got your Covid PCR test and uploaded it etc.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2485075]I think you want the type of test that takes sample from your nose or throat. It should contain word PCR on the report. The other words like "nucleic acid" should also help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2485033]Does anyone know which tests are acceptable? PCR, RT-PCR, RAPID PCR?[/QUOTE]I saw a RT-PCR report. It does not have the word PCR on the report and only has emergency authorization in US. I think it should be avoided. RT stands for real time. I will avoid RAPID as well unless you are sure it has the word PCR on the report.

Who is in charge in Colombia, it's the God damn gang who couldn't shoot straight, now they are requiring a covid test within 48 hours of LEAVING Colombia.

From the RCN web site:

This is the test that they will ask at airports to <leave Colombia<<.

In dialogue with RCN News, the Deputy Minister of Transportation, Olga Ramírez, gave details about the reopening of international flights in Colombia.

14 Sep 2020 8:09 By: Noticias. [URL]canalrcn.com[/URL].

In an interview with RCN News, the Vice Minister of Transportation, Olga Ramírez, spoke about the reactivation of international flights in Colombia and that they would take place, initially, in Cartagena.

When will the final protocol be approved and what does it contain?

We are waiting for health to issue the resolution, but basically they are measures like the ones we already knew, but adding new components such as the test that we have already said will be requested, which is the PCR, with about 48 hours in advance.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2485203]I saw a RT-PCR report. It does not have the word PCR on the report and only has emergency authorization in US. I think it should be avoided. RT stands for real time. I will avoid RAPID as well unless you are sure it has the word PCR on the report.[/QUOTE]RT stands for reverse transcription. The full name is real time reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction test. The real time RT PCR test is the CORRECT test. It tests for the live virus and is the most accurate. Real time is scientific lingo for how the test is performed. The lab observes the polymerase chain reaction as it happens instead of checking for a sign at the end.

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_transcription_polymerase_chain_reaction[/URL]

[URL]https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/references/ambion-tech-support/rtpcr-analysis/general-articles/rt--pcr-the-basics.html[/URL]#1.

[URL]https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/how-is-the-covid-19-virus-detected-using-real-time-rt-pcr[/URL]

[QUOTE=Flak3;2485241]RT stands for reverse transcription. The full name is real time reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction test. The real time RT PCR test is the CORRECT test. It tests for the live virus and is the most accurate. Real time is scientific lingo for how the test is performed. The lab observes the polymerase chain reaction as it happens instead of checking for a sign at the end.

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_transcription_polymerase_chain_reaction[/URL]

[URL]https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/references/ambion-tech-support/rtpcr-analysis/general-articles/rt--pcr-the-basics.html[/URL]#1.

[URL]https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/how-is-the-covid-19-virus-detected-using-real-time-rt-pcr[/URL][/QUOTE]

There are many passengers being turned away at the airport daily because of the reports are not accepted.

The point is do you think the airline will let you board the plane if the word "PCR" is not on the report? That is the reason I caution again that test brand name.

I only saw one report so I am not saying all RT-PCR tests produce the same report

[QUOTE=Nounce;2485243]There are many passengers being turned away at the airport daily because of the reports are not accepted.

The point is do you think the airline will let you board the plane if the word "PCR" is not on the report? That is the reason I caution again that test brand name.

I only saw one report so I am not saying all RT-PCR tests produce the same report[/QUOTE]RT PCR isn't a "brand. " That's the scientific name for the test. It's not a question of whether to get a bud light or a coors. It's simply get a beer and you'll be okay. You're confusing the different types of tests, antigen, antibody and PCR. PCR is beer, antigen is vodka and antibody is whiskey. Don't get vodka or whiskey.

This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.

This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485257]This is the post we all have been waiting for since March;[/QUOTE]Congrats! Have fun!

OPEN.

New Life.

Aiffe.

Cuba.

Dulce Companias.

Amigas Sexxy.

Traviesas.

Paris.

APPARENTLY GONE.

Akami.

Sarah's.

Barcelona.

List obviously incomplete.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485253]This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.[/QUOTE]SJ, I'm curious, where did you get your test done in the USA? How fast did you get your results and how was it delivered? Also how much was it, thanks.

Is it a test that is 48 hours old, or 96 hours? I am getting conflicting information.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2485338]Is it a test that is 48 hours old, or 96 hours? I am getting conflicting information.[/QUOTE]96 hours. Here is the announcement.

[URL]https://migracioncolombia.gov.co/infografias/viajar-a-colombia[/URL]

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2485099]I don't think I can do that sir, it requires a membership I guess, but as for now I do not intend to subscribe, since I just joined. Can't you answer here, please?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Constant;2485167]Seconded New world, new beginnings. Please do that.[/QUOTE]You can find your answers by doing a search on this thread and general info thread on these words [b]laureles gusto lleras poblado facebook[/b] and read. Pay attention to JB62's posts. Some of your questions are close to ridiculous.

Bring your jeans, don't offer money to random girls you found on the street.

Thanks! This is useful.

[QUOTE=Methius;2485284]OPEN.

New Life.

Aiffe.

Cuba.

Dulce Companias.

Amigas Sexxy.

Traviesas.

Paris..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2485229]Who is in charge in Colombia, it's the God damn gang who couldn't shoot straight, now they are requiring a covid test within 48 hours of LEAVING Colombia.

From the RCN web site:

This is the test that they will ask at airports to <leave Colombia<<.

In dialogue with RCN News, the Deputy Minister of Transportation, Olga Ramrez, gave details about the reopening of international flights in Colombia.

14 Sep 2020 8:09 By: Noticias. [URL]canalrcn.com[/URL].

In an interview with RCN News, the Vice Minister of Transportation, Olga Ramrez, spoke about the reactivation of international flights in Colombia and that they would take place, initially, in Cartagena.

When will the final protocol be approved and what does it contain?

We are waiting for health to issue the resolution, but basically they are measures like the ones we already knew, but adding new components such as the test that we have already said will be requested, which is the PCR, with about 48 hours in advance.[/QUOTE]Can anyone else confirm this as it sounds very peculiar and problematic. Getting a PCR test within 96 hours in the USA is easily done, yet a PCR test within 48 hours of departure from Colombia doesn't sound right.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485253]This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.[/QUOTE]Be careful when you cum on face of your first chica, mind that you don't drown her.

I am surprised he did not jizz on his seat when the plane took off.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485375]Be careful when you cum on face of your first chica, mind that you don't drown her.[/QUOTE]

Please don't hit on random girls walking down the street assuming they're prostitutes. This reflects badly on gringos that do that. That is unless you are in a zone known for this such as el Centro.

Wear jeans. Medellin has a pleasant, not too hot / not too cold climate. If you must, horts only in Poblado and only during the day.

The rest of your questions are answered if you read back through this thread.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2484909]First of all, thank you everyone took his time to answer my questions before. I appreciate it.

I valuated a few alternatives, especially Uganda, but then I decided for Medellin. I bought the tickets. I should fly in October, if they do not cancel the flights. I will stay for a couple of weeks.

- Which are the best places to stay? I mean, which zones of the city I should consider for my accommodation?

- Can I use Uber in Medellin?

- Can I buy a local SIM card?

- Prices on prepagos are the same you get when you go in a brothel or you negotiate with a girl you meet on Tinder?

- Is it possible negotiate the prices I see on prepagos? I want to get the most of what I pay for.

- Do all the girls usually do GFE, FK (deep) and OWO?

- I have seen many prepagos girls do incall, which is the additional cost for outcall? Should I go to their place or should I take them to my place?

- How much is usually Uber for a 20 minutes trip?

- Which are the zones I should completely avoid or I should avoid just during the night?

- Where I can find the most beautiful girls?

- Is it a good practice pass by a girl on a street and speak to her? Which approach should I use in this case? Should I go straight to the point and offer her money?

- Which are the best places for nightlife?

- I have seen the temperature can drop till 17see in September. Should I take some jeans with me, or can I stay in Bermuda all the time? Would I need a jumper? I want to travel light.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485253]This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.[/QUOTE]Congratulations, we all are exited.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485257]This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.[/QUOTE]Congratulations are in order, and your arrival will end the hundreds of posts over the last six months of how you would return and enter the Country from bribing immigration officials to clandestinely entering the Country. To share with others besides all the cream pies you deposited in your 18 year olds and all the Tussi that went up your nose during the first 24 hours, what exactly was the Corona App requirement for entry if any. The questions are as follows:

1. Did you need to be registered meaning having the App on your smartphone as a requirement for entry?

2. And if so, are there any reporting requirements such as checking in or receiving messages from them, etc. As to your status.

3. Do you know if your under a tracking requirement somehow?

And again congratulations, I'm waiting on your first reported four some, and will probably be down next month to rape and pillage in El Centro.

Your successful arrival is good news for all and the next or second wave in Colombia won't be COVID, but mongers stampeding from all corners of the world to get in while most of the rest of the World is shutdown. The Putas throughout Colombia must be rejoicing, especially all of those 18 year olds in your stable.

As a newbie I was forewarn ahead of my travel not to wear shorts so I did not bring any. Staying 4 months in Lauereles I was so pissed to see people wearing shorts every where. So I disagree with this stigma of wearing shorts. I also noticed many exaggerations and overhype of things. But admit some advises and suggestions were on point. I heard many disparities about excessive charge from yello cabs and how uber is so much cheaper and safer. After computation $1 difference. Can you believe cheepy blakman was like what's the fuss. It very well could be safer. But I felt very safe. No harm done Colombia. Just another on ground perspective.

Slapfugitive LOL. Keeping me posted on LA 70. I did not get to enjoy the chicas and bars because of pandemic.

[QUOTE=Combo;2485387]Please don't hit on random girls walking down the street assuming they're prostitutes. This reflects badly on gringos that do that. That is unless you are in a zone known for this such as el Centro.

Wear jeans. Medellin has a pleasant, not too hot / not too cold climate. If you must, horts only in Poblado and only during the day.

The rest of your questions are answered if you read back through this thread.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2485411]As a newbie I was forewarn ahead of my travel not to wear shorts so I did not bring any. Staying 4 months in Lauereles I was so pissed to see people wearing shorts every where. So I disagree with this stigma of wearing shorts.[/QUOTE]You know you can not tell these baord members nothing. I dispelled that myth about 5 years ago. I went around Medellin taking pictures of locals with shorts, sneakers, and ballcaps on and posted them here. Boils down to people are observing their dress code from people they see working throughout the day instead of those at leisure.

[QUOTE=Combo;2485387]Please don't hit on random girls walking down the street assuming they're prostitutes. This reflects badly on gringos that do that. That is unless you are in a zone known for this such as el Centro.

Wear jeans. Medellin has a pleasant, not too hot / not too cold climate. If you must, horts only in Poblado and only during the day.

The rest of your questions are answered if you read back through this thread.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Blakman;2485411]As a newbie I was forewarn ahead of my travel not to wear shorts so I did not bring any. Staying 4 months in Lauereles I was so pissed to see people wearing shorts every where. So I disagree with this stigma of wearing shorts. I also noticed many exaggerations and overhype of things. But admit some advises and suggestions were on point. I heard many disparities about excessive charge from yello cabs and how uber is so much cheaper and safer. After computation $1 difference. Can you believe cheepy blakman was like what's the fuss. It very well could be safer. But I felt very safe. No harm done Colombia. Just another on ground perspective.

Slapfugitive LOL. Keeping me posted on LA 70. I did not get to enjoy the chicas and bars because of pandemic.[/QUOTE]I too have come to the conclusion about wearing shorts, certainly was not the thing to do on my first visit and long stays in Bogota in the early 1990's and also was somewhat frowned upon here in Medellin on my first visits 10 years ago BUT times have changed and I see many Colombians wearing shorts all around town, especially the locals in the pueblos and especially on a warm weekend.

Yes bring the shorts and you will thank us later for that advice.

Much love and respect to all.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Methius;2485284]OPEN.

New Life.

Aiffe.

Cuba.

Dulce Companias.

Amigas Sexxy.

Traviesas.

Paris.

APPARENTLY GONE.

Akami.

Sarah's.

Barcelona.

List obviously incomplete.[/QUOTE]Thank you. A useful post for once.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2485420]You know you can not tell these baord members nothing. I dispelled that myth about 5 years ago. I went around Medellin taking pictures of locals with shorts, sneakers, and ballcaps on and posted them here. Boils down to people are observing their dress code from people they see working throughout the day instead of those at leisure.[/QUOTE]If you're a foreigner in shorts, esp. With white sneakers, (excuse me "athletic shoes") or flip-flops, you look like "a dick" period. You stand out, maybe you don't care, but you do. Easily identifiable to pan-handlers, pick-pockets, sharks, unsolicited "touts" and "guides" , locals who dislike foreigners.. etc. It screams "I'm here on vacation or a pension with money to burn" "I'm clueless about what's gong on around me'" "I have no support network". "I probably can't go to the police for much because I don't speak the language and they don't give shit about foreigners' problems anyway. "

Colombians can wear what ever they want, they are Colombians, they don't have to make an effort to 'fit-in'.. they're already in.

Peace.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485257]I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.[/QUOTE]Bravo, SJobs.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485257]This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.[/QUOTE]Congratulations SJobs, you made it with sheer persistence. Enjoy your stay in the promised land and stay safe. Post the deets.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2485420] I dispelled that myth about 5 years ago. I went around Medellin taking pictures of locals with shorts, sneakers, and ballcaps on and posted them here. [/QUOTE]There is a way to wear shorts, sneakers and ballcaps and another way. If I am a gringo, wearing in that way I stand up as a tourist, regardless there are Colombians who can wear same items.

Personally, I suggest to dress as the average most common person in the street, which is not with shorts and flip-flops, and to aim at being as much as possible [I]invisible[/I]. Based on all your posts, I know you never tried to blend in and be invisible, but what worked for you it may not necessarily work for anyone. I did a lot of things in Medellin which I would not recommend to the average BM here, and yes I enjoyed all of them.

Anyone with recent boots on ground know if ayenda botero aka hotel btero has not shutdown? It's the hotel behind nutibarra across from yakusas, recently whatsappd the # that sent me reservation nfo last time & service person replied noting Ayenda is no longer carrying hotel btero in their Ayenda ownership, so concerned the very reliable great ground0 hotel changed ownership or closed, I see booking dot com & other sites show data not known unlike last March, would be bummed finding it closed if arriving next few months so to prepare, info appreciated. Are most of the centro decent hotels closed besides the short time motels?

Planning trip for reopening, not sure if October being wettest month in Medellin means if street action will be getting rained out, I went my 1st time this March 12-19 before the 23rd when lockdown began, trip posted here July where I reported 32 chicas /7 d, also have been researching GDL mx, looks very promising with the strip clubs open, esteticas (casas), sw and on fire escort scene, not that higher than mde peso wise & chica quality seems high considered best in mx, learned quite bit but it has made me not consider Tijuana anymore, it's either Medellin or GDL from RTFF, even considering both before year ends.

Shout out to Tallman & the on ground reports, anyone with info on what to expect October weather, rain & knows if hotels are sparse right now, much appreciated, looking fwd to provide future reports like my last 2 , mde and Tijuana. -dcg69.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2485490]There is a way to wear shorts, sneakers and ballcaps and another way. If I am a gringo, wearing in that way I stand up as a tourist, regardless there are Colombians who can wear same items.

Personally, I suggest to dress as the average most common person in the street, which is not with shorts and flip-flops, and to aim at being as much as possible [I]invisible[/I]. Based on all your posts, I know you never tried to blend in and be invisible, but what worked for you it may not necessarily work for anyone. I did a lot of things in Medellin which I would not recommend to the average BM here, and yes I enjoyed all of them.[/QUOTE]I would never wear flip-flops outside of my hotel / apartment. What if you need to run?

I've worn shorts plenty of times in MDE, but only during the day, and only when in more touristy areas. Yes it's become more common to see Colombians wearing shorts, but not at nighttime and not in el Centro.

Believing white sneakers make you a target is ridiculous. This one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard. Only Trump has you beat. I see if you said do not wear expensive items then your dick ass would make sense LOL. Shorts are worn in the gyms, tennis courts, parks, riding bicycles. Places of fitness. So you could be coming from any of these events. Colombia is a very health conscious country. Theres many mongering spots other than sleezy botero, where people are as equal in status. United states fashion is one of the most mimicked in foreign countries since cable and social media. So colombians, especially young Colombians wear very similar attire, accessories. Again better you say do not wear flashy, expensive, or appearingly expensive items. But shorts, flip flops, white sneakers, target. How they say it on espn. Cmon!

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2485429]If you're a foreigner in shorts, esp. With white sneakers, (excuse me "athletic shoes") or flip-flops, you look like "a dick" period. You stand out, maybe you don't care, but you do. Easily identifiable to pan-handlers, pick-pockets, sharks, unsolicited "touts" and "guides" , locals who dislike foreigners.. etc. It screams "I'm here on vacation or a pension with money to burn" "I'm clueless about what's gong on around me'" "I have no support network". "I probably can't go to the police for much because I don't speak the language and they don't give shit about foreigners' problems anyway. "

Colombians can wear what ever they want, they are Colombians, they don't have to make an effort to 'fit-in'.. they're already in.

Peace.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2485429]If you're a foreigner in shorts, esp. With white sneakers, (excuse me "athletic shoes") or flip-flops, you look like "a dick" period. You stand out, maybe you don't care, but you do. Easily identifiable to pan-handlers, pick-pockets, sharks, unsolicited "touts" and "guides" , locals who dislike foreigners.. etc. It screams "I'm here on vacation or a pension with money to burn" "I'm clueless about what's gong on around me'" "I have no support network". "I probably can't go to the police for much because I don't speak the language and they don't give shit about foreigners' problems anyway. "

Colombians can wear what ever they want, they are Colombians, they don't have to make an effort to 'fit-in'.. they're already in.

Peace.[/QUOTE]There's a substantial amount of misinformation in forums such as this. Thanks for correcting it.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2485494]Believing white sneakers make you a target is ridiculous. This one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard. Only Trump has you beat. [/QUOTE]He obviously struck a nerve with you so you took his words out of context then dragged in Trump which has nothing to do with anything. He's talking about the whole doofus foreigner uniform, the shorts, the big belly, the white shoes with white socks, etc. Though white socks with sandals take it to a new plane in the monger moron stratosphere. He wasn't speaking of the shoe color as a stand alone. Granted it is tough for many of us to blend in, but why make yourself a screaming target? Of course ultimately everyone is going to do what they want to while having their justifications for doing so. So as always, we will have stupidity around us. As the world turns.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485253]This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.[/QUOTE]I admit I was wrong. Congrats! I am surprised and we will see how long it stays open. Enjoy. We are all envious. Stay safe! Covid is for real.

Its not the sneakers, its being a foreigner that makes you a target. And to be frank its pretty easy to spot the foreigners, part of which is because of what spiderrider is talking about. Dressing out of culture. Sure you go to the gym or you're on the way there, you wear shorts along with your athletic gear. It all makes sense. But many guys go around wearing sneakers and shorts that are definitely not for athletics.

My foreigners can't pull off the style your talking about, so its best they just try not to stand out.

One thing I've noticed is that you rarely see people wear shorts when they go for a night out. It could bee hot as fuck, but most guys will always wear long pants. This rule does not apply to women. But I suspect most people here are men.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2485494]Believing white sneakers make you a target is ridiculous. This one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard. Only Trump has you beat. I see if you said do not wear expensive items then your dick ass would make sense LOL. Shorts are worn in the gyms, tennis courts, parks, riding bicycles. Places of fitness. So you could be coming from any of these events. Colombia is a very health conscious country. Theres many mongering spots other than sleezy botero, where people are as equal in status. United states fashion is one of the most mimicked in foreign countries since cable and social media. So colombians, especially young Colombians wear very similar attire, accessories. Again better you say do not wear flashy, expensive, or appearingly expensive items. But shorts, flip flops, white sneakers, target. How they say it on espn. Cmon!

.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2485411]As a newbie I was forewarn ahead of my travel not to wear shorts so I did not bring any. Staying 4 months in Lauereles I was so pissed to see people wearing shorts every where. So I disagree with this stigma of wearing shorts. I also noticed many exaggerations and overhype of things. But admit some advises and suggestions were on point. I heard many disparities about excessive charge from yello cabs and how uber is so much cheaper and safer. After computation $1 difference. Can you believe cheepy blakman was like what's the fuss. It very well could be safer. But I felt very safe. No harm done Colombia. Just another on ground perspective.

Slapfugitive LOL. Keeping me posted on LA 70. I did not get to enjoy the chicas and bars because of pandemic.[/QUOTE]The shorts thing is also typical in more conservative asian countries as well. Southeast asia: Thailand, Cambodia, vietnam, malaysia. You'll see that most people wear shorts around during the day even though temps are through the roof. Part of it is culture another part may be that most people are working during the day and most jobs do not allow shorts. Regardless, if you're trying to fit in you do as the locals do. But maybe you're a bright white caucasian dude in asia, then fuck it, there's no way you're not standing out in anyways. Wear all the shorts you want. In Colombia, if the situation requires that you blend in, you should wear long pants. You can even wear sneakers with pants. I would advise against flip flops.

In you're specific case, maybe you could have just bought some shorts when you got there? Once you realized that everyone else was wearing shorts? Maybe laureles is different since I was last there, but I don't remember seeing too many bare male legs in the area.

Yea I agree, uber isn't significantly cheaper than the yellow cabs in medellin, but I say it is safer. Being that your ride is registered somewhere, at least there is a record of your location and who you were with before you "disappeared". Also paying is simpler, no need to carry cash and less confusing. Specifically in Bogota, the meters are fucking wierd and don't display the cash amount.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2485429]If you're a foreigner in shorts, esp. With white sneakers, (excuse me "athletic shoes") or flip-flops, you look like "a dick" period. You stand out, maybe you don't care, but you do. Easily identifiable to pan-handlers, pick-pockets, sharks, unsolicited "touts" and "guides" , locals who dislike foreigners.. etc. It screams "I'm here on vacation or a pension with money to burn" "I'm clueless about what's gong on around me'" "I have no support network". "I probably can't go to the police for much because I don't speak the language and they don't give shit about foreigners' problems anyway. "

Colombians can wear what ever they want, they are Colombians, they don't have to make an effort to 'fit-in'.. they're already in.

Peace.[/QUOTE]This quote above ain't mine but it is true, sorry I'm with spider here and showing a little support LOL. I have been to many Latin American countries and it is true. You do stand out like an idiot-gringo when you wear bright stuff life shorts with white / bright colored sneakers LOL. Or wearing your American flag tees or apparels. There is a way to "blend-in" so to speak when you visit a foreign country, or some just do it for safety reason, respect, etc. Especially where there's a lot of pick pocket and poor people, you may find it useful. Of course they'll spot you, white or black, heck even a Puerto Rican look can be spotted. The point Spider is making is basically to try not to stand out too much and reduce the attention on you as much as possible.

I have read other board members criticizing foreigners wearing shorts or slacks trying to get into bars / clubs and they're pissed when turned away at the door in Dominican rep and other spots. I do agree with those clubs when they do that. Yes you are on vacation, but you can show a bit of decency and respect and dress up properly. Everyone has dress pants and dress shoes on, and you're trying to get in with flip flops and shorts, fck out of here. And yes Latin Americans incl the Caribbean dress way better than typical Americans. They may copy our celebrities and fashion trends, but they are more fit (we all know usa is the fattest country), they look better and dress better. Your money isn't a universal passport to get away with everything. Far from it. It buys pussy and some attention but that's it. They don't want your Spoiled American fat arse and your damn bright shorts LOL.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2485494]Believing white sneakers make you a target is ridiculous. This one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard. Only Trump has you beat. I see if you said do not wear expensive items then your dick ass would make sense LOL. Shorts are worn in the gyms, tennis courts, parks, riding bicycles. Places of fitness. So you could be coming from any of these events. Colombia is a very health conscious country. Theres many mongering spots other than sleezy botero, where people are as equal in status. United states fashion is one of the most mimicked in foreign countries since cable and social media. So colombians, especially young Colombians wear very similar attire, accessories. Again better you say do not wear flashy, expensive, or appearingly expensive items. But shorts, flip flops, white sneakers, target. How they say it on espn. Cmon!

.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I can interest you in some plaid slacks and a white belt to complete your ensemble. Visit my online tienda [URL]thedappertravelinggringo.com[/URL] to see our full line. I'm partial to blue denim bib overalls rolled up above the ankle, bamboo sandals, shirtless, with a crudely woven straw sombrero.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2485494]Believing white sneakers make you a target is ridiculous. This one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard. Only Trump has you beat. I see if you said do not wear expensive items then your dick ass would make sense LOL. Shorts are worn in the gyms, tennis courts, parks, riding bicycles. Places of fitness. So you could be coming from any of these events. Colombia is a very health conscious country. Theres many mongering spots other than sleezy botero, where people are as equal in status. United states fashion is one of the most mimicked in foreign countries since cable and social media. So colombians, especially young Colombians wear very similar attire, accessories. Again better you say do not wear flashy, expensive, or appearingly expensive items. But shorts, flip flops, white sneakers, target. How they say it on espn. Cmon!.[/QUOTE]SpiderRider comments were right on the mark as far as I am concerned. During your tenure in Medellin you weren't fully exposed to the different parts of the City / Country and your thought that young Colombians can emulate US fashion is off as the majority of them can't afford the attire. And most don't have either the money to patronize a gym, play tennis, and ride bicycles. And in regards to flip flops, with the exception of tourists, I have never seen Colombians wearing them except at a pool.

Generally speaking, people do wear shorts in the hotter parts of the Country including the beach towns and not so much in Medellin.

I have noticed one thing though regarding shorts though, on Sundays and Holiday's, lot's of people will be wearing them, but it's not a function of status, but a function of being comfortable and relaxed. As on this day Colombians let their hair down.

Time for some pics of Chicas with their shorts off as this topic has engulfed the board.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2485490]. I did a lot of things in Medellin which I would not recommend to the average BM here, and yes I enjoyed all of them.[/QUOTE]If the BM's only knew what you have done in Medellin they would be aghast, perplexed, and in disbelief. I don't consider myself an average BM, and couldn't envision partaking in your escapades, but can totally relate to the pleasure you derived from it. I too have done things the average BM wouldn't do either.

Last night, I wanted to go to la 70 last night to partake in the re-opened bar fun. But, I could not arrange a suitable date. My favorite blonde stunner from the coast has discovered working on the "web" now. She's retired from bars and dating. What a shame. I'm trying to meet her sister though.

For a couple of weeks been receiving invitations from Luna Lunera, and a favorite chica, there to visited the re-opened club and " see the show" So, I headed over there at about 10 p. They are open 24 hours, as they were in the apartments over the summer. The party has moved upstairs to an air conditioned room with tables, seats, a small disco ball, and YouTube videos. There is a stripper pole, but no show. There were about 7-8 girls hanging out the I arrived. Some others showed up later. Attractively dressed, mostly late 20's to mid 30's. Pear-shaped single Moms, "stretching the pear" with tall shoes. Instantly recognized one I had sessioned with there about 3 years ago. She's certainly added some weight but still cute. I was bit sad to see she had not been able to move on from LL. There were some young Colombian guys there and everyone was enjoying themselves in that group. 3 artificial blondes moved over to drink with me and I enjoyed their energy and attention. No one I would take to a room though. I wasn't planning for that anyway. A taller chica with a stunning body showed up. The girls knew I wanted a "show', they recruited this one for a "table dance" She had a classic porno girl body with well done augmented breasts. Really enjoyed her brief, but intent on pleasing me performance. The girls wandered a way when they could see I was about done for the night. I was invited to drink with another solo guy, the girls returned. So, after slow start it turned out to be a pretty fun night.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2485539]

Time for some pics of Chicas with their shorts off as this topic has engulfed the board.[/QUOTE]They look much better on some people than others.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2485523] And yes Latin Americans incl the Caribbean dress way better than typical Americans. They may copy our celebrities and fashion trends, but they are more fit (we all know usa is the fattest country).[/QUOTE]Actually the US is 12th in obesity:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate[/URL]

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2485555]Last night, I wanted to go to la 70 last night to partake in the re-opened bar fun. But, I could not arrange a suitable date. My favorite blonde stunner from the coast has discovered working on the "web" now. She's retired from bars and dating. What a shame.

For a couple of weeks been receiving invitations from Luna Lunera, and a favorite chica, there to visited the re-opened club and " see the show" There were about 7-8 girls hanging out the I arrived. Some others showed up later. Attractively dressed, mostly late 20's to mid 30's. Pear-shaped single Moms, "stretching the pear" with tall shoes. Instantly recognized one I had sessioned with there about 3 years ago. She's certainly added some weight but still cute. I was bit sad to see she had not been able to move on from LL. [/QUOTE]I'll bet the webcam girl comes back sooner than later.

Three years working a casa, that is a long tour of duty.

I've never been to LL. Maybe this week.

Fun report, thanks!

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2485507]I admit I was wrong. Congrats! I am surprised and we will see how long it stays open. Enjoy. We are all envious. Stay safe! Covid is for real.[/QUOTE]I suspect the Country will stay open no matter what happens now that they have established a testing regime to basically prevent the import of the virus that occured prior to the shutdown. What might occur though as is being observed in Europe is that another lockdown could occur, but I don't know if they would go that far given the shambles the economy is in. They may just decide to grin and bear it, no different in some ways than what's occurring in parts of the USA and other Countries. It's such a depressing situation at times and hopefully an effective vaccine is around the corner. In the mean time, we can be entertained by Sjobs posts, he's probably drowned in 18 year old pussy and doesn't have the energy to post as of yet. And Slapshot has been missing in action as well but probably needs to leave within the next month. Too bad as we could have some dueling posts from the two mucky muck "high rollers" in town. I may be back in a few weeks, but my posts will be about what I find in the gutters of El Centro. The trifecta would be if Blakman was in town as well!

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2485429]You stand out, maybe you don't care, but you do. Easily identifiable to pan-handlers, pick-pockets, sharks, unsolicited "touts" and "guides" , locals who dislike foreigners.. etc. It screams "I'm here on vacation or a pension with money to burn" "I'm clueless about what's gong on around me'"[/QUOTE]Of the posts I have seen about dudes getting held up and mugged and robbed here, I have never seen one of those posts say it was because I had on those damn shorts and sneakers and was not blending in. Will the people who got jacked because they had on shorts please speak up. Don't be shy.

[QUOTE=DcGamer69;2485492]Anyone with recent boots on ground know if ayenda botero aka hotel btero has not shutdown? It's the hotel behind nutibarra across from yakusas, recently whatsappd the # that sent me reservation nfo last time & service person replied noting Ayenda is no longer carrying hotel btero in their Ayenda ownership, so concerned the very reliable great ground0 hotel changed ownership or closed, I see booking dot com & other sites show data not known unlike last March, would be bummed finding it closed if arriving next few months so to prepare, info appreciated. Are most of the centro decent hotels closed besides the short time motels?

Planning trip for reopening, not sure if October being wettest month in Medellin means if street action will be getting rained out, I went my 1st time this March 12-19 before the 23rd when lockdown began, trip posted here July where I reported 32 chicas /7 d, also have been researching GDL mx, looks very promising with the strip clubs open, esteticas (casas), sw and on fire escort scene, not that higher than mde peso wise & chica quality seems high considered best in mx, learned quite bit but it has made me not consider Tijuana anymore, it's either Medellin or GDL from RTFF, even considering both before year ends.

Shout out to Tallman & the on ground reports, anyone with info on what to expect October weather, rain & knows if hotels are sparse right now, much appreciated, looking fwd to provide future reports like my last 2 , mde and Tijuana. -dcg69.[/QUOTE]The Tall Man with his wing man riding shot gun drove by Hotel Botero 2 nights ago, I pulled over to see the doors shut tight with debris inside the lobby, no lights, no signs, nothing, nada. Closed with no indication that any kind of renovation is going on.

Don't worry about the rain, the chicas will step under an overhang for 10 to 20 minutes then as soon as it clears everything is back into action.

I was in centro Friday, Saturday and this evening tonight, picked me up a sweet paisa pussy and smashed it in my car up in las palmas, hehehehe as some time I like to feel like a teenager again and have car sex and it was light raining so again you just work around it.

I just returned to my apartment so just a few hours ago drove around the Vera, Raudal and the street walkers in San Diego. There is more pussy out and available than you can shake a can at, seriously this weekend was off the charts and it will only continue with more chicas.

Hotels and bars and restaurants are slowly reopening so you should be able to find somewhere to lay your head at night.

Just come down as there are many chicas who need some good gringo lovin not to forget our pesos too!

Thanks for the acknowledgement about my posts as sometimes I wonder if they just get lost with all the shit posts about the virus and political shit, these boards are all about hunting pussy.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2485513]Its not the sneakers, its being a foreigner that makes you a targe.[/QUOTE]To be fair, it is not wearing white sneakers, but wearing sneakers that cost $200. I am not able to recognize them at a glance, but many people spot immediately the expensive models of Nike and the like. If I wear those sneakers in Centro of Medellin, night or day, I am a dick and frankly I deserve to be robbed, because that is what I deliberately aimed at.

FYI, I wear sneakers every time I go (I went, SIGH!) to Centro day time, because they are comfortable for walking hours, but they cost $40 and I keep them dusty. Still I am aware they are an element that make me spot above the average people crowding the streets.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2485540]If the BM's only knew what you have done in Medellin they would be aghast, perplexed, and in disbelief. I don't consider myself an average BM, and couldn't envision partaking in your escapades, but can totally relate to the pleasure you derived from it. I too have done things the average BM wouldn't do either.[/QUOTE]And I did not share and announce to ISG everything I did. ROFL!

The standard answer when entering this forum and asking basic questions is that you need read the fucking forum. This phrase can even be found in the forums list of abbreviations as found on the front page as RTFF. It is considered lazy and just bad form to come onto a a forum that you have not been a contributor to and just start asking questions. But because I am bored and a little delirious I am going to do two things. I am going to give you a pointer and then I an going to in rapid fire give short answers your questions. First the pointer: there is a "search thread" function at the beginning of the feed for this thread in the gray bands below "enter report" but to the right, where it says "search thread" there you can enter a topic and see if said term is in any reports in the thread.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2484909]


- Which are the best places to stay? I mean, which zones of the city I should consider for my accommodation?

- Can I use Uber in Medellin?

- Can I buy a local SIM card?

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- Which are the best places to stay? I mean, which zones of the city I should consider for my accommodation?
El Poblado, Laureles, Envigado, but you can stay just about anywhere if you have any street smarts - stick to those places if you do not. Always and everywhere at night walk in well lit crowded places so some guy does not jump off of the back of a motorcycle and rob you at gun point.
- Can I use Uber in Medellin?
Technically no but possible yes it is complicated, google Uber in Colombia and read about it - Cabify is a usable app for rides, Didi, EasyTaxi, are others
- Can I buy a local SIM card?
Yes
- Prices on prepagos are the same you get when you go in a brothel or you negotiate with a girl you meet on Tinder?
Prices vary everywhere but a tinder chick is definitely going to ask for more money
- Is it possible negotiate the prices I see on prepagos? I want to get the most of what I pay for.
Always try to negotiate everywhere

- Do all the girls usually do GFE, FK (deep) and OWO?
Some do, some do not - negotiate for these things beforehand - when she agrees to the things - keep the Whatsapp conversation handy to remind her (yes you need Whatsapp when in Colombia)

- I have seen many prepagos girls do incall, which is the additional cost for outcall? Should I go to their place or should I take them to my place?
Some do incall in their apartment and some do outcall - outcall costs more - some will not do outcall

- How much is usually Uber for a 20 minutes trip?
$5(USD)
- Which are the zones I should completely avoid or I should avoid just during the night?
It depends on you level of street smarts - but if you ask you cannot afford it so again - do not go into Centro at all at night and even in the neighborhoods I mentioned earlier on where to stay, El Poblado, Laureless, Envigado, when walking at night stay where there are people about and in well lit areas.

- Where I can find the most beautiful girls?
They can be found everywhere - there are even beautiful girls in Centro around Botero Plaza and the Iglesia De La Veracruz even down

- Is it a good practice pass by a girl on a street and speak to her? Which approach should I use in this case? Should I go straight to the point and offer her money?
There are places where street walking working girls can be found - do not go up to random women and offer them money - to know where to find these street walking women - RTFF

- Which are the best places for nightlife?
It used to be Parque Lleras/Provenza in El Poblado and La 70 in Laureles but the pandemic has been a kick in the nuts to Parque Lleras so maybe now La 70 is the best bet just to party - there are No prostitutes on La 70 but there used to be some at Parque Lleras - and probably still are

- I have seen the temperature can drop till 17see in September. Should I take some jeans with me, or can I stay in Bermuda all the time? Would I need a jumper? I want to travel light.
You are not from the USA for sure - a jumper? Yes take a sweater though you think 17c is cold, and although there is a debate raging in this thread about shorts, I am going to tell you to wear jeans all the time - shorts during the day on sunday is okay but Since most of the time Colombians are going about there jobs and such they will not be wearing shorts, and you will look like a tourist, there are free "gyms" in just about every park and definitely in every neighborhood in Medellin, with some type of kinetic workout equipment that resemble the machines you see in gyms - so if people will go to those in shorts also. but September has nothing to do with it gettin down to 17c - Medellin is the City of Eternal Spring and the temperature does not vary by month it is constant spring weather.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2485420]You know you can not tell these baord members nothing. I dispelled that myth about 5 years ago. I went around Medellin taking pictures of locals with shorts, sneakers, and ballcaps on and posted them here. Boils down to people are observing their dress code from people they see working throughout the day instead of those at leisure.[/QUOTE]Yup, nothing wrong with shorts in the proper environment. From personal experience, shorts are ok during the day in settings that are "shorts-friendly" (ie parks, poolside, beaches, a quick walk to the store to buy groceries, going over to a friend's/relative's house for an informal visit). But yeah, never at night, never for work, never for planned events (ie birthday parties or get-togethers). As for running shoes, while I don't personally wear the bright white ones, I find many many locals do wear them.
At the end of the day, for most of the people on here, you're sticking out long before they see what you're wearing.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485253]This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.[/QUOTE]Congrats dude! I'm super envious and am awaiting your reports.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2485422]I too have come to the conclusion about wearing shorts, certainly was not the thing to do on my first visit and long stays in Bogota in the early 1990's and also was somewhat frowned upon here in Medellin on my first visits 10 years ago BUT times have changed and I see many Colombians wearing shorts all around town, especially the locals in the pueblos and especially on a warm weekend.

Yes bring the shorts and you will thank us later for that advice.

Much love and respect to all.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]How are things?

Can I ask about safety there? Someone sent me this PM today.

"But this can all go wrong very fast, as everyone drops their guard once in a while if only a little. There's always been a lot of desperation there but it's certainly at a crescendo now. Another situation is kidnap for ransom or they just keep you a few days and force you to make ATM runs. Odds of surviving such situations are not good."

Please opine.

Muchas gracias.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2485257]This is the post we all have been waiting for since March; I'm honored to be the one who delivers it. As of 9/19/2020 10:10 pm Medellin local time, I've successfully crossed the holy border of Colombia. No special visa needed, just a negative COVID test (PCR) and undeterred perseverance.

Despite the infinite vastness of the cosmo and the immense loneliness of earth in the universe, this reunification with my long-separated lover managed to bring inexplicable and irresistible joy and happiness to me. I will not forget this moment for as long as I live.

P.S. They took your temperature and controlled the number of person can be in the immigration line, I recommend after you land try to walk fast so you can be in the first wave.[/QUOTE]That is great news. How old were the results on your PCR test? I have a positive antibody test which is not the same thing but proves that I had coronavirus (not the sickest I've ever been, but definitely different), and am immune to the current strain at least. I don't have faith the the staff at the airport will be able to make that distinction or understand the result. My other experiences at the border and dealing with the government in general is what works one day, may not work the next, depending on the mood of the government official with whom you are interacting. But you have given me hope. Thanks again.

To the unitiated, one of the standard ploys when you meet a new chica and decide to stay in touch, is she will have a birthday within the next two weeks. I have developed this standard reply that I offer here for you enteratainment and are&the (RipOff & Duplicate), I am posting under Medellin because that is where I spend 90%+ of my time. My Spanish would get a bronze medal, but this is verbatim how I reply to chicas who say it's their birthday, with English translation:

"Feliz cumpleaños. Envíeme una copia de su certificado de nacimiento, pasaporte you otra identificación oficial del gobierno que muestre su fecha de nacimiento. La chica sudamericana promedio que conozco tiene 5-6 cumpleaños cada año jajajajaja".

In English:

"Happy Birthday. Send me a copy of your birth certificate, passport, or other official government identification that shows your date of birth. The average South American girl I know has 5-6 birthdays every year hahahahaha".

I specifically don't ask for their cedula, which for some strange reason does not list birthdates.

Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=DcGamer69;2485492]Anyone with recent boots on ground know if ayenda botero aka hotel btero has not shutdown? It's the hotel behind nutibarra across from yakusas, recently whatsappd the # that sent me reservation nfo last time & service person replied noting Ayenda is no longer carrying hotel btero in their Ayenda ownership, so concerned the very reliable great ground0 hotel changed ownership or closed, I see booking dot com & other sites show data not known unlike last March, would be bummed finding it closed if arriving next few months so to prepare, info appreciated. Are most of the centro decent hotels closed besides the short time motels?[/QUOTE]Been looking into that myself as the Hotel Botero is where I have stayed all 4 times in MED.

So far it looks like for Chica friendly it would be the roach motels of Hotel de greiff (above Conejitas) and the Normandy (next to Barra Ejectiva) for location, and I think Davinchi Suites (Cra. 51 #53 93) under the Metro is a short term that also rents long term as they were listed on either [URL]hotels.com[/URL] or [URL]booking.com[/URL] and the rooms are nicer but somewhat scary location at night.

For nicer with pool but most likely not chica friendly you have Hotel Capitolio and next door Hotel Cristal behind Catedral Baslica Metropolitana (the big brick church at Parque Bolivar) both share a pool, and Ambassador Medellin looks nice with a pool on the roof (Cra 50, 54-50).

Anybody have any info to add on any of these please jump in, I think Mr International has stayed at the Normandy.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2485742]I specifically don't ask for their cedula, which for some strange reason does not list birthdates.[/QUOTE]How you can think this. Have you seen a cedula?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2485742]I specifically don't ask for their cedula, which for some strange reason does not list birthdates.

Keep On Keepin' On.[/QUOTE]A cedula most certainly has the holder's birthdate: back side, top right, in bold.

I'm thinking about going in November but personally my best spot to get easy lays was parque Lleras where hot working girls are prancing around in droves in sexy dresses. If this place is not poppin full of chicas I know where are many other mediums but for me this was quick, cheap, easy, with hotter girls than El Centro and a better location.

When will Lleras be poppin again and how much is PCR test and where did you get it done?

[QUOTE=HBoy54;2485780]How you can think this. Have you seen a cedula?[/QUOTE]If you are saying there is a birthdate on a cedula then it must be on the flip side because all I see is the foto, their printed name, their signature, and their government ID #.

That's how I can think it.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2485411]As a newbie I was forewarn ahead of my travel not to wear shorts so I did not bring any. Staying 4 months in Lauereles I was so pissed to see people wearing shorts every where. So I disagree with this stigma of wearing shorts. I also noticed many exaggerations and overhype of things. But admit some advises and suggestions were on point. I heard many disparities about excessive charge from yello cabs and how uber is so much cheaper and safer. After computation $1 difference. Can you believe cheepy blakman was like what's the fuss. It very well could be safer. But I felt very safe. No harm done Colombia. Just another on ground perspective.

Slapfugitive LOL. Keeping me posted on LA 70. I did not get to enjoy the chicas and bars because of pandemic.[/QUOTE]Heading out to the market with Pinky, both of us wearing shorts, and me wearing suede off-white sneakers! Wish me luck!

I've actually noticed a lot of locals wearing shorts and more American-type clothing, in Laureles. Of course, my mask can hide my face, but I'm clearly a gringo. Pinky says even when I'm wearing jeans, a t-shirt, and sneakers, I look like an obvious gringo.

Had a 200 k 9 p-4 a trio with the boneless blonde serpent and Pinky, Saturday night. We stepped out for dinner on La 70 for DIA de Amor & Amistad. A lot of restaurants are still not open for dine-in, in the area, so we ended up on 70. We hit a fonda bar on the south end for an hour or two of drinks, before coming back home for the trio.

For all the Uber / Taxi debate, I highly-recommend using DiDi, and the drivers get paid better than with Uber. I spend $1. 37 every morning on my 7-8 minute drive to the gym.

I hit Sweet Georgia Cafe's new spot near Parque Poblado for breakfast, yesterday. Big American breakfast and it's 2-for-1 all month. 28 k for 2 huge plates, plus a juice and a coffee. We went to watch a soccer game, but their wifi is shit and the streaming service was constantly freezing and loading. Then, we hit Hooters & Ay Wey, before calling it a night. I really need to remember to eat when I go out drinking from noon to 8 p.

All of my 2002-born cuties have gone dark on me, since the weekend. I wonder what's in the air?

[QUOTE=HBoy54;2485780]How you can think this. Have you seen a cedula?[/QUOTE]And my understanding was they can't get a cedula till they are 18 anyway?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2485742]To the unitiated, one of the standard ploys when you meet a new chica and decide to stay in touch, is she will have a birthday within the next two weeks. I have developed this standard reply that I offer here for you enteratainment and are&the (RipOff & Duplicate), I am posting under Medellin because that is where I spend 90%+ of my time. My Spanish would get a bronze medal, but this is verbatim how I reply to chicas who say it's their birthday, with English translation:

"Feliz cumpleaos. Enveme una copia de su certificado de nacimiento, pasaporte you otra identificacin oficial del gobierno que muestre su fecha de nacimiento. La chica sudamericana promedio que conozco tiene 5-6 cumpleaos cada ao jajajajaja".

In English:

"Happy Birthday. Send me a copy of your birth certificate, passport, or other official government identification that shows your date of birth. The average South American girl I know has 5-6 birthdays every year hahahahaha".

I specifically don't ask for their cedula, which for some strange reason does not list birthdates.

Keep On Keepin' On.[/QUOTE]I have been hit up for a birthday by chicas, but for the actual birthday, not a fake one. I knew it was their birthday because FB already sent me the notification. Not had any fake birthdays LOL. Anyway, I would just not respond and act like I never got the message.

I did have a chick send me pictures that a scorpion bit her, not sure what I was supposed to do. I just said I am sorry and left it at that.

I admit your humor is good. Besides freeness with cash, has to be the main attraction to all your sex goddeses LOL. Well because you and sjob is bound to form a super team, and I am not allowed to wear Caps, shorts and white sneakers; I have decided to take my talents to the Dominican Republic. I expect to conquer not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5, 6, 7 sex goddeses. Guys enjoy Medellin. I hope this sounded like Lebron speech before going to Miami. Lmao

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2485805]Heading out to the market with Pinky, both of us wearing shorts, and me wearing suede off-white sneakers! Wish me luck!

I've actually noticed a lot of locals wearing shorts and more American-type clothing, in Laureles. Of course, my mask can hide my face, but I'm clearly a gringo. Pinky says even when I'm wearing jeans, a t-shirt, and sneakers, I look like an obvious gringo.

Had a 200 k 9 p-4 a trio with the boneless blonde serpent and Pinky, Saturday night. We stepped out for dinner on La 70 for DIA de Amor & Amistad. A lot of restaurants are still not open for dine-in, in the area, so we ended up on 70. We hit a fonda bar on the south end for an hour or two of drinks, before coming back home for the trio.

For all the Uber / Taxi debate, I highly-recommend using DiDi, and the drivers get paid better than with Uber. I spend $1. 37 every morning on my 7-8 minute drive to the gym.

I hit Sweet Georgia Cafe's new spot near Parque Poblado for breakfast, yesterday. Big American breakfast and it's 2-for-1 all month. 28 k for 2 huge plates, plus a juice and a coffee. We went to watch a soccer game, but their wifi is shit and the streaming service was constantly freezing and loading. Then, we hit Hooters & Ay Wey, before calling it a night. I really need to remember to eat when I go out drinking from noon to 8 p.

All of my 2002-born cuties have gone dark on me, since the weekend. I wonder what's in the air?[/QUOTE].

I'd say the odds of you getting kidnapped and ransomed are about the same as getting struck by lightning.

Always be aware of your surroundings. Know where the safer parts of town are, and stay in those areas. Have a wingman with you if possible.

If gringos start getting kidnapped by the boatload, it won't look too good for Colombia's tourism industry, will it?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2485735]How are things?

Can I ask about safety there? Someone sent me this PM today.

"But this can all go wrong very fast, as everyone drops their guard once in a while if only a little. There's always been a lot of desperation there but it's certainly at a crescendo now. Another situation is kidnap for ransom or they just keep you a few days and force you to make ATM runs. Odds of surviving such situations are not good."

Please opine.

Muchas gracias.[/QUOTE]

My favorite DiDi feature is the ability to block drivers from accepting your ride requests after the provide unsatisfactory service. I really wish uber would adopt that feature.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2485805]Heading out to the market with Pinky, both of us wearing shorts, and me wearing suede off-white sneakers! Wish me luck!

I've actually noticed a lot of locals wearing shorts and more American-type clothing, in Laureles. Of course, my mask can hide my face, but I'm clearly a gringo. Pinky says even when I'm wearing jeans, a t-shirt, and sneakers, I look like an obvious gringo.

Had a 200 k 9 p-4 a trio with the boneless blonde serpent and Pinky, Saturday night. We stepped out for dinner on La 70 for DIA de Amor & Amistad. A lot of restaurants are still not open for dine-in, in the area, so we ended up on 70. We hit a fonda bar on the south end for an hour or two of drinks, before coming back home for the trio.

For all the Uber / Taxi debate, I highly-recommend using DiDi, and the drivers get paid better than with Uber. I spend $1. 37 every morning on my 7-8 minute drive to the gym.

I hit Sweet Georgia Cafe's new spot near Parque Poblado for breakfast, yesterday. Big American breakfast and it's 2-for-1 all month. 28 k for 2 huge plates, plus a juice and a coffee. We went to watch a soccer game, but their wifi is shit and the streaming service was constantly freezing and loading. Then, we hit Hooters & Ay Wey, before calling it a night. I really need to remember to eat when I go out drinking from noon to 8 p.

All of my 2002-born cuties have gone dark on me, since the weekend. I wonder what's in the air?[/QUOTE]

Update: 6 daring males wearing shorts at the local supermarket, today, including one dumb gringo! It was maybe the 2nd or 3rd time I've worn shorts in public in the 6+ months here (aside from the 20 times I've going to the gym). Apologies for not doing a shoe count.

SJobs might be running on fumes, at this point. Looking forward to an epic post after his body shuts down for 14 hours!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2485735]How are things?

Can I ask about safety there? Someone sent me this PM today.

"But this can all go wrong very fast, as everyone drops their guard once in a while if only a little. There's always been a lot of desperation there but it's certainly at a crescendo now. Another situation is kidnap for ransom or they just keep you a few days and force you to make ATM runs. Odds of surviving such situations are not good."

Please opine.

Muchas gracias.[/QUOTE]Total bull shit, disregards the ass wipe that sent you this PM.

Are you kidding me "lot of desperation there but it's certainly at a crescendo now" and "Another situation is kidnap for ransom", WTF!

And if this was from a monger here in Medellin or anywhere in Colombia call him out on this, what's the name.

Much love and respect for all.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2485738]That is great news. How old were the results on your PCR test? I have a positive antibody test which is not the same thing but proves that I had coronavirus (not the sickest I've ever been, but definitely different), and am immune to the current strain at least. I don't have faith the the staff at the airport will be able to make that distinction or understand the result. My other experiences at the border and dealing with the government in general is what works one day, may not work the next, depending on the mood of the government official with whom you are interacting. But you have given me hope. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you would still need the PCR test as it is possible to get it more than once.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2485843]I admit your humor is good. Besides freeness with cash, has to be the main attraction to all your sex goddeses LOL. Well because you and sjob is bound to form a super team, and I am not allowed to wear Caps, shorts and white sneakers; I have decided to take my talents to the Dominican Republic. I expect to conquer not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5, 6, 7 sex goddeses. Guys enjoy Medellin. I hope this sounded like Lebron speech before going to Miami. Lmao.[/QUOTE]I'm going to have to assume your headed to Sosua, and you will fit right in there with your attire. However, being a Cheap Charlie there is going to be a lot tougher than in Colombia. Totally different the way the Chicas operate there, and you won't be getting any bargain basement 8's there as well. I used to spend months at a time there, and it's changed a lot over the years. However the beach hasn't and there's a great surfing spot called Playa Encuentro halfway between Sosua and Cabarette which I used to go too.

Again, the way you roll is going to be a challenge for you in the DR, and you will be competing with a lot of guys who fly down for short periods of time with wads of money and the Chicas there know how to play the game, you might say they are a bit more unionized, regardless, I wish you luck and plan on bringing a lot more money than you spent in Colombia on Chicas!

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2485803]If you are saying there is a birthdate on a cedula then it must be on the flip side because all I see is the foto, their printed name, their signature, and their government ID #.

That's how I can think it.[/QUOTE]I found this doing a simple image search after I set the search engine settings to search in the region of Colombia.

Fecha de nacimiento means birthday and it shows it on the front.

I wear the shoes I feel comfortable wearing when running away.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2485876]I found this doing a simple image search after I set the search engine settings to search in the region of Colombia.

Fecha de nacimiento means birthday and it shows it on the front.[/QUOTE]The ones I have seen do not have it on the front.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2485864]Total bull shit, disregards the ass wipe that sent you this PM.

Are you kidding me "lot of desperation there but it's certainly at a crescendo now" and "Another situation is kidnap for ransom", WTF!

And if this was from a monger here in Medellin or anywhere in Colombia call him out on this, what's the name.

Much love and respect for all.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE] I will give him an opportunity to own it?

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2485903]The ones I have seen do not have it on the front.[/QUOTE]Yeah. That's going to be because it is on the back as Osteoknot presumed. The one MB posted is from 2020 so they may have changed up the format recently with the birthday on the front instead.

Got my negative PCR results this morning. Flight to MDE tomorrow is on! Finally.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2485742]To the unitiated, one of the standard ploys when you meet a new chica and decide to stay in touch, is she will have a birthday within the next two weeks. I have developed this standard reply that I offer here for you enteratainment and are&the (RipOff & Duplicate), I am posting under Medellin because that is where I spend 90%+ of my time. My Spanish would get a bronze medal, but this is verbatim how I reply to chicas who say it's their birthday, with English translation:

"Feliz cumpleaos. Enveme una copia de su certificado de nacimiento, pasaporte you otra identificacin oficial del gobierno que muestre su fecha de nacimiento. La chica sudamericana promedio que conozco tiene 5-6 cumpleaos cada ao jajajajaja".

In English:

"Happy Birthday. Send me a copy of your birth certificate, passport, or other official government identification that shows your date of birth. The average South American girl I know has 5-6 birthdays every year hahahahaha".

I specifically don't ask for their cedula, which for some strange reason does not list birthdates.

Keep On Keepin' On.[/QUOTE]I have a better idea. Tell her you have a birthday present at your place. When she opens the door you are butt naked with a bow on your penis and a tag that reads "Happy birthday".

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2486060]Got my negative PCR results this morning. Flight to MDE tomorrow is on! Finally.[/QUOTE]Congratulations. I'm sure we would all love to hear the what the ordeal is like for you once you land. Hopefully no ordeal at all!

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2486060]Got my negative PCR results this morning. Flight to MDE tomorrow is on! Finally.[/QUOTE]Congrats. Enjoy man!

Hey Colombialover Did you register on the checkmig site?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2485872]I'm going to have to assume your headed to Sosua, and you will fit right in there with your attire. However, being a Cheap Charlie there is going to be a lot tougher than in Colombia. Totally different the way the Chicas operate there, and you won't be getting any bargain basement 8's there as well. I used to spend months at a time there, and it's changed a lot over the years. However the beach hasn't and there's a great surfing spot called Playa Encuentro halfway between Sosua and Cabarette which I used to go too.

Again, the way you roll is going to be a challenge for you in the DR, and you will be competing with a lot of guys who fly down for short periods of time with wads of money and the Chicas there know how to play the game, you might say they are a bit more unionized, regardless, I wish you luck and plan on bringing a lot more money than you spent in Colombia on Chicas![/QUOTE]Spot on with my experience in the Sue a few years back.

The hotel I stayed in was 85% occupied by the Black brothers (cool guys who welcomed the tall white guy) and they partied like rock stars in the clubs and back at the hotel with the big ass Dominicans, sharing the love and throwing around bucks and drinks like there was no tomorrow, hehehehe.

Lots of fun but I probably will never return (to the Sue) as I get more pussy of all different shapes and colors here in Medellin that could last a dozen mongers a lifetime and not the pros like in the Sue.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2486060]Got my negative PCR results this morning. Flight to MDE tomorrow is on! Finally.[/QUOTE]After your arrival would you mind sharing whether you were required to have the Corona App on your phone for entry, and if so, what if any reporting requirements are required. Thanks.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2485876]I found this doing a simple image search after I set the search engine settings to search in the region of Colombia.

Fecha de nacimiento means birthday and it shows it on the front.[/QUOTE]I've never seen this style of cedula before. The ones I've seen (and the one I have) only display birthdays on the back.

Quite frankly looking at my past conquest Dominicans are prettier than Colombia women. For sure better bodies. I have done well there. But I have conquer 4, 5, 6 as well with my resistance to go above my budget. I have not been back in 2 years substituting thailand and Colombia. Colombian women are uniquely beautiful. Hard to explain. As I was going through tinder, I got excited to give it another go. Some nice spinners. Very responsive. But to your point, I could sense the hustle mentality. Sounding sweet for a bit til they receive my rejection of not sending them money. I could also feel the hostility and venom that is famous by the Santo Domingo women. Immediately I began missing Colombia women cause they take rejection so quietly and politely. Anyways surf. I have not purchase the ticket yet. But I know how to weed out the bad versus the good. I don't walk around sosua thirsty and in the clubs I am so to myself the attractive chicks get curious and it becomes more of can I fuck him rather how much hes going to pay me. Doesn't happen with all, just a few. LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2485872]I'm going to have to assume your headed to Sosua, and you will fit right in there with your attire. However, being a Cheap Charlie there is going to be a lot tougher than in Colombia. Totally different the way the Chicas operate there, and you won't be getting any bargain basement 8's there as well. I used to spend months at a time there, and it's changed a lot over the years. However the beach hasn't and there's a great surfing spot called Playa Encuentro halfway between Sosua and Cabarette which I used to go too.

Again, the way you roll is going to be a challenge for you in the DR, and you will be competing with a lot of guys who fly down for short periods of time with wads of money and the Chicas there know how to play the game, you might say they are a bit more unionized, regardless, I wish you luck and plan on bringing a lot more money than you spent in Colombia on Chicas![/QUOTE].

I've spoken to two people who entered on commercial flights the past two days, both from the United States. No Coronapp was required, requested, nor discussed during the immigration and customs process. One of my sources filled out the health declaration online and the other was not aware of it until he got to the immigration booth. He filled out a paper version of the form at the booth. Both were asked to show a test result and both told me there was only a cursory review of it. These are first hand reports if you don't count me, second hand if you count me. I have no reason to mislead anyone.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2486103]After your arrival would you mind sharing whether you were required to have the Corona App on your phone for entry, and if so, what if any reporting requirements are required. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2486160]Quite frankly looking at my past conquest Dominicans are prettier than Colombia women. For sure better bodies. I have done well there. But I have conquer 4, 5, 6 as well with my resistance to go above my budget. I have not been back in 2 years substituting thailand and Colombia. Colombian women are uniquely beautiful. Hard to explain. As I was going through tinder, I got excited to give it another go. Some nice spinners. Very responsive. But to your point, I could sense the hustle mentality. Sounding sweet for a bit til they receive my rejection of not sending them money. I could also feel the hostility and venom that is famous by the Santo Domingo women. Immediately I began missing Colombia women cause they take rejection so quietly and politely. Anyways surf. I have not purchase the ticket yet. But I know how to weed out the bad versus the good. I don't walk around sosua thirsty and in the clubs I am so to myself the attractive chicks get curious and it becomes more of can I fuck him rather how much hes going to pay me. Doesn't happen with all, just a few. LOL..[/QUOTE]I too have been to the DR numerous times, and ten years ago it was hard to beat. The Sosua strip with all the clubs open, and I used to sit outside and sip cocktails and watch the Putas on Parade walking up and down the main drag strutting their stuff. I always rented a car, would go surfing early in the mornings, and had a few regulars that would stay with me. I loved prowling the streets and the beach, it was always good in the afternoons and evenings yet things have changed with an entertainment area now on the outskirts of town versus how it used to be. I probably have over 1,000 post of my exploits there. As far as your take on the Dominican women being prettier than the Colombians, well that's a personal thing, and as far as their bodies, some of them do have killer bodies but my personal preference is for the Colombians, I'll be back in El Centro in a few weeks to scour the gutters and pillage.

Your aware there's a curfew there so it may be limiting you. This is something you should consider. I never liked Puerto Plata and don't recommend you stay there. If I were to go back I would stay in Sosua, comb the beach during the day, and schedule some Tinder girls in during the day for tryouts and potential overnighters.

If you decide to go to the DR your posts will be sorely missed along with the dueling posts with Slapshot, yet sounds likes SJobs will be the new dominant mucky muck high roller in town if he ever resurfaces from arriving and you could go toe to toe with him.

Regardless, keep us posted I'm sure you will do well, and at least you can dress in your shorts and not be given a bunch of flak for it.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2485805]
All of my 2002-born cuties have gone dark on me, since the weekend. I wonder what's in the air?[/QUOTE]Probably SJobs has single handedly cornered the whole 2002-born cuties of Medellin. If true, that would be epic lol.

Does someone know if International flights over 3 hours are ok now? I would be flying from Newark to Fort Lauderdale to Medellin. All flights from Fort Lauderdale are listed as 3 hours and 26 minutes or so. Yet I read stories here that people have been able to land in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2486174] Both were asked to show a test result and both told me there was only a cursory review of it. [/QUOTE]Wondering if I could type something up myself. ? How would anyone know or care if it were a valid test result or something I printed on my word processor? Do they call home to the Doctor to verify that it was authentic? If cursory, then who cares? I could get a note from my mommy to excuse me from gym class in Jr. High School and often I printed it myself!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2486174]I've spoken to two people who entered on commercial flights the past two days, both from the United States. No Coronapp was required, requested, nor discussed during the immigration and customs process. One of my sources filled out the health declaration online and the other was not aware of it until he got to the immigration booth. He filled out a paper version of the form at the booth. Both were asked to show a test result and both told me there was only a cursory review of it. These are first hand reports if you don't count me, second hand if you count me. I have no reason to mislead anyone.[/QUOTE]Thank you Knowledge, the last I want to do is have Big Brother tagging along with me wherever I go while in the bowels of El Centro. It's amazing how loose things can be in Country's. A perfect example is Mexico. They extended the non-essential travel ban from the 21st of Sept until the 21st of October. About two weeks they had a crackdown at the San Ysidro border crossing and it was a ten hour wait by car to cross from Mexico into the USA and the streets of Tijuana were totally clogged jacking the City up and they were sending everyone to Secondary reading them the riot act. This last Sunday I went down to Tijuana but scheduled a dental appointment for Monday and had a copy of the E mail confirmation being prepared if asked as to what my essential travel was for (blowing loads in a nasty puta) and when I arrived at the turnstiles there were no CBP Postings about "essential travel" which I have defined and when I entered they asked me where I was going and for how long and I said a dental appointment and only for one day and they said okay go ahead with no paperwork. So I thought okay I will get harassed exiting on Tuesday morning, and had a receipt from the dentist showing what was done which was a cleaning and when I crossed back into the USA nothing asked of me except of what I had to declare which was a bottle of Tequila. So much for essential travel into Mexico whereas going to Canada they would be looking for proof such as I had as to why I was entering the Country.

What you described doesn't surprise me at all and I appreciate this information, I'm currently looking at an October 14 return date from LAX and will be buying a one way ticket. When I arrive I'm going to have to roll quite a bit differently, no more Metro and buses which I typically use four times a day to get around and more time shacked up in my apartment with a few nasty Nymphos.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2486212]Does someone know if International flights over 3 hours are ok now? I would be flying from Newark to Fort Lauderdale to Medellin. All flights from Fort Lauderdale are listed as 3 hours and 26 minutes or so. Yet I read stories here that people have been able to land in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Some board members have already landed in Colombia. South Florida is probably the closest to Colombia coming from eastern US.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2486174]I've spoken to two people who entered on commercial flights the past two days, both from the United States. No Coronapp was required, requested, nor discussed during the immigration and customs process. One of my sources filled out the health declaration online and the other was not aware of it until he got to the immigration booth. He filled out a paper version of the form at the booth. Both were asked to show a test result and both told me there was only a cursory review of it. These are first hand reports if you don't count me, second hand if you count me. I have no reason to mislead anyone.[/QUOTE]I had a feeling that they wouldn't focus too much on people having the corona app on their phones. Many travelers carry two phones, all they have to do is install the app on 1 phone and leave It somewhere in their room while being out and about with the other phone.

Yes. One warning about that. When you scan your COVID test results to a PDF, be sure you compress it. The systems only permits you to upload a PDF of. 5 MB or less. Did not accept a conversion to a Word document, even thought it was small.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2486091]Hey Colombialover Did you register on the checkmig site?[/QUOTE]

FLL to MDE is actually less than that in air. So no problem. I fly tomorrow and everything is a go. In fact, they must be overbooked as they are asking for people to take a bribe to take a later flight.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2486212]Does someone know if International flights over 3 hours are ok now? I would be flying from Newark to Fort Lauderdale to Medellin. All flights from Fort Lauderdale are listed as 3 hours and 26 minutes or so. Yet I read stories here that people have been able to land in Medellin?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2485903]The ones I have seen do not have it on the front.[/QUOTE]First, instead of telling other members what you believe their reality should be, take a step back and consider that there may be valid explanations for different experiences. I agree it would be strange to have an ID without a birth date, but what I know is the cedulas I have in my files do not show birth dates. All were obtained within the last two years. possibly there are different kinds of cedulas because none of the ones I have show a birth date, they look the exactly as Wolf posted in his foto. However, I believe it when other members say they have seen cedulas with birth dates on the front, back, upside down, no matter. Hmmmm, that supports the theory that there may be different kind of cedulas out there. Then, I Wassapped my girls whose cedulas I have and asked them. Always eager to please, they responded right away and told me the height, birth date, and blood type are listed on the back of the cedula.

Finally, let's not lose sight of the tongue-in-cheek point of my original post, which was after you get to know a Colombiana more than a couple weeks, she will often have a birthday within that time frame. I wish them happy birthday and ask to see proof, which looks like a cedula would offer, before and if I buy any gifts to celebrate the occasion. Carry on.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2485871]I'm sure you would still need the PCR test as it is possible to get it more than once.[/QUOTE]There is no epidemiological evidence so far that you can get it twice.

It's so close that the wind can make the difference over or under 3 hours. Been there, done that eight times so far. . .

Zandaley is undergoing renovation, bunch of workmen doing tile, etc. I was given a card on the street from Aiffe, but did not check it out, but I will assume it is open.

The Usd at 3821 Cop.

Enjoy.

If this question was already answered I did not see it and I read every post after I first asked it.

From the US Embassy in Colombia: All arriving passengers should obtain a negative PCR test result no more than 96 hours before arriving in Colombia, as well as complete Migracion Colombia Check-Mig immigration form.

With that said, anyone who had dealt with government officials in Colombia, knows that it can depend on who is standing in front of you at the moment. I have gotten opposite answers (not about this) on Visa issues from government employees working at desks so close they could reach out and touch each other. I have been given instructions, returned the next day, and been told something completely different.

I am not saying to ignore anything but rules are selectively and variably enforced in Colombia.

After reading some positive reviews its seems Colombia is back open and I'm looking to get on the first plane I can at the start of October. Still been browsing La diabla chica list and am curious to if anyone here positive reviews on them or if they are still in the game. Looking forward to any help I receive. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2486238]FLL to MDE is actually less than that in air. So no problem. I fly tomorrow and everything is a go. In fact, they must be overbooked as they are asking for people to take a bribe to take a later flight.[/QUOTE]Colombia Lover, your right, My girl got a call from American Airlines yesterday, trying to bait her to take her flight to Miami on Saturday instead of Friday. I suspected this when I saw the prices rise quickly from 300 and change to +600. I don't blame them for trying to get double per seat than I paid them.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2486160]Quite frankly looking at my past conquest Dominicans are prettier than Colombia women. For sure better bodies. [/QUOTE]Much love and respect to all, Blackman must be a black man, hehehehe.

First know that this Tall White Man loves blacks, be they from my home state of California or a Costena (coast of Colombia) or Medellin or the dozens that I enjoyed in both the Sue and Cuba, all delicious hehehehehe and to each their own but Dominican blacks are no where near the "prettier" factor as compared to just about any woman be them paisa, rollo, costena or caliena in Colombia.

Now to be fair I absolutely agree that Dominicans have bodies that are made to be fucked hard and long, I love the muscles in some of the more leaner body types, agreed that there are some bodies that are to die for, but not prettier in facial features for sure unless your a black male and love the big asses and thigh muscles that scream to be spread and fucked hard.

I need to find a few of my older photos of my black regular back in California and post a few, you will understand when you her. To me she holds near top honers and she is straight out of Compton.

Again much love for the black woman, you know that I treat you like a princess.

The Tall Man.

I checked-in at the FLL airport today. A few things to note:

1) You cannot check-in at the kiosk and drop your luggage. You have to go through the line so they can check your COVID test and ensure that you already registered with the Colombian government. Luckily the line was not long and no issues in the process.

2) Seems like most of those in the gate area for this flight are Colomabians. Not too many obvious mongers.

3) Spirit flight for tomorrow is sold out. Prices are high for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. More normal rates early next week.

Seeing my 18 year old high school girlfriend this afternoon and a new girl (from Tinder) tonight. Hoping for a good time.

I'm feeling a little odd about this trip. It's been 6 months and I'm not returning to the same Colombia that I left. Definitely will be much more cautious. Not going out much, staying near the apartment, focusing on a small group of girls I know. It's going to be strange when I arrive, but hopefully I will settle in.

I share this experience as a cautionary tale to let guys know to be mindful and careful:

So my good gringo friend whom I speak to throughout the day, almost everyday, went MIA at about 4PM this past Monday. I tried to reach him on Tuesday mid morning and again tried throughout Tuesday afternoon but his whatsapp messages were never opened and telephone calls to his phone went to voicemail.

Out of character and I knew something was wrong so called my good paisa buddy in the early evening (last night) and we took a drive over to his apartment, got there at about 9 PM and spoke to the portero about our concerns. He has not seen him all day but did tell us that he had a chica visitor the night before and that he saw her leave at about 11 PM on Monday.

The portero allowed us into the edifico and we headed straight to his apartment, after about one minute of banging on his door and yelling his name the door opened and he was clearly in bad shape, slurring his words, stumbling, almost incoherent at times, his pants were full of piss, some dried and some more recently wet, no shirt, with a look of a deer in the headlight. Yes he was drugged by a new Tinder girl whom he invited over to his apartment at about 10 PM on Monday evening.

He had no idea that it was 24 hours later, this was Tuesday night now and he had been in a drugged induced state for 24 hours.

She shared a drink with him, he does not drink, and evidently within a period of 20 minutes she drugged him and he remembers falling asleep.

She stole 2 cell phones and at least 3 million pesos that he had in his closet hidden, so she ransacked through his stuff. I am glad to see him and that he is alive.

I will pick him up today at about noon and get him a new cell phone and try to determine what else is missing. Surprisingly she did not go through his jean pockets which he was wearing when she drugged him as his front pocket had a wad of almost 2 million and his other front pocket had his bank cards in it.

I will learn more today but from what I know is that she was hounding him aggressively for the past week wanting to get with him.

Be careful and always stay aware.

BTW, his personality tends to be trusting and I keep warning him about this. These are bitches, these are working girls, these are thieves, these are scum, yes many appear to be sweet and nice and great fucks but never let your guard completely down, don't get complacent. Find them and fuck them but understand what they are.

Be safe and much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

Colombia here I come. Caps, shorts, white sneakers. Bringing tall man, pollon negro as security to walk the streets of centro. Lets see who want to fuck with the chicos mal. Lmao

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2486181]I too have been to the DR numerous times, and ten years ago it was hard to beat. The Sosua strip with all the clubs open, and I used to sit outside and sip cocktails and watch the Putas on Parade walking up and down the main drag strutting their stuff. I always rented a car, would go surfing early in the mornings, and had a few regulars that would stay with me. I loved prowling the streets and the beach, it was always good in the afternoons and evenings yet things have changed with an entertainment area now on the outskirts of town versus how it used to be. I probably have over 1,000 post of my exploits there. As far as your take on the Dominican women being prettier than the Colombians, well that's a personal thing, and as far as their bodies, some of them do have killer bodies but my personal preference is for the Colombians, I'll be back in El Centro in a few weeks to scour the gutters and pillage.

Your aware there's a curfew there so it may be limiting you. This is something you should consider. I never liked Puerto Plata and don't recommend you stay there. If I were to go back I would stay in Sosua, comb the beach during the day, and schedule some Tinder girls in during the day for tryouts and potential overnighters.

If you decide to go to the DR your posts will be sorely missed along with the dueling posts with Slapshot, yet sounds likes SJobs will be the new dominant mucky muck high roller in town if he ever resurfaces from arriving and you could go toe to toe with him.

Regardless, keep us posted I'm sure you will do well, and at least you can dress in your shorts and not be given a bunch of flak for it.[/QUOTE].

You know the old saying, "how are you going to keep them on the farm once they see the big city". You should be thanking Surfer for exploding that truth bomb all up in your grill. You would be bored and frustrated in So-sewer, locked down under curfew at night and sick of seeing the same overused providers and thirsty punters every day along its 300 meter strip.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2486414]Colombia here I come. Caps, shorts, white sneakers. Bringing tall man, pollon negro as security to walk the streets of centro. Lets see who want to fuck with the chicos mal. Lmao.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2486399]I checked-in at the FLL airport today. A few things to note:
1) You cannot check-in at the kiosk and drop your luggage. You have to go through the line so they can check your COVID test and ensure that you already registered with the Colombian government. Luckily the line was not long and no issues in the process.
2) Seems like most of those in the gate area for this flight are Colomabians. Not too many obvious mongers.
3) Spirit flight for tomorrow is sold out. Prices are high for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. More normal rates early next week.
Seeing my 18 year old high school girlfriend this afternoon and a new girl (from Tinder) tonight. Hoping for a good time.
I'm feeling a little odd about this trip. It's been 6 months and I'm not returning to the same Colombia that I left. Definitely will be much more cautious. Not going out much, staying near the apartment, focusing on a small group of girls I know. It's going to be strange when I arrive, but hopefully I will settle in.[/QUOTE]
It will be great! Even a small group of good girls is a blessing.

So did you take a covid test 96 hours before you left and had to sweat getting results before your day of flight or is it that your results have to have been issued (no more than 96 hours before your departure flight? I had a test recently (negative) because I came in contact with someone who was positive. It took more than four days for my results. I only received a phone call and I don't even know what type of test I took. Nose swab.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2486401]I share this experience as a cautionary tale to let guys know to be mindful and careful:

So my good gringo friend whom I speak to throughout the day, almost everyday, went MIA at about 4PM this past Monday. I tried to reach him on Tuesday mid morning and again tried throughout Tuesday afternoon but his whatsapp messages were never opened and telephone calls to his phone went to voicemail.

Out of character and I knew something was wrong so called my good paisa buddy in the early evening (last night) and we took a drive over to his apartment, got there at about 9 PM and spoke to the portero about our concerns. He has not seen him all day but did tell us that he had a chica visitor the night before and that he saw her leave at about 11 PM on Monday.

The portero allowed us into the edifico and we headed straight to his apartment, after about one minute of banging on his door and yelling his name the door opened and he was clearly in bad shape, slurring his words, stumbling, almost incoherent at times, his pants were full of piss, some dried and some more recently wet, no shirt, with a look of a deer in the headlight. Yes he was drugged by a new Tinder girl whom he invited over to his apartment at about 10 PM on Monday evening.

He had no idea that it was 24 hours later, this was Tuesday night now and he had been in a drugged induced state for 24 hours.[/QUOTE]See that is why I like some places like san peter in Laureles, that chica would not be able to get past the front desk without your OK. But she got 4 months salary off that gringo.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2486414]Colombia here I come. Caps, shorts, white sneakers. Bringing tall man, pollon negro as security to walk the streets of centro. Lets see who want to fuck with the chicos mal. Lmao.[/QUOTE]I think you made the right choice, granted the beaches are nice in the DR, I think the Colombian women run circles around the Dominicans. Just got off the phone with COPA and got a one way Business Class seat for the 14th using award miles from LAX and $ 26.25 in taxes. And I won't need a tall white guy and a black chicken though to escort me around El Centro, however that sounds like a good security detail to have. I'm stoked for sure, but am a little bit nervous about contracting COVID in Colombia given how I roll which I need to modify, including no more using the METRO or Buses.

I contacted one of my cream pie Chicas who told me she had the "bicho" meaning the bug really bad and said it was COVID so she's on my list to receive some loads. Also contacted another one of my Chicas who will be spending a few nights a week at my apartment, so that will leave me with my El Centro regulars to fill in the other days of the week. Instead of bedding all of my El Centro street urchins in different Love Motel's each time like I usually do, I might just get a room at the Premier Plaza for my entire stay and set up shop just for them.

I'm not sure how long I will stay, I'm going to just play it by ear and decide when I get there. Hopefully things will not spiral out of control in the next three weeks due to COVID. I don't want to pull the plug at the last minute. I will be away at least thru the election, and hell, there might be a civil war going on and perhaps I won't want to return.

Let the good times roll!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2486401]I share this experience as a cautionary tale to let guys know to be mindful and careful:

He had no idea that it was 24 hours later, this was Tuesday night now and he had been in a drugged induced state for 24 hours.

She shared a drink with him, he does not drink, and evidently within a period of 20 minutes she drugged him and he remembers falling asleep.

She stole 2 cell phones and at least 3 million pesos that he had in his closet hidden, so she ransacked through his stuff. I am glad to see him and that he is alive.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Sage advice again for all to be carefull. It can be so alluring to have a beautiful woman in your apartment versus a Love Motel as you have everything at your disposal. Perhaps the warning signs were there with this Chica being very aggressive about meeting up, that's always a bad sign.

I have very few Chicas in my apartment except those I have vetted and met elsewhere beforehand. Albeit, even the vetted ones might rob you depending on the situation.

There's been numerous past posts about how to mitigate being robbed, and you can never ever let your guard down.

I sure hope SJobs has a notepad and a polaroid camera next to the jacuzzi...

The suspense is killing me!


Blakandforthman - See you soon! Try making some patacones with guacamole as a cheap treat, when you return. The girls will melt at how culturally-adaptive and explorative you are.

Surfer, CL, et al, welcome back and enjoy! Looking forward to getting away from some of the recent topics on the board!

Tall Man. Thank you for the reminder. I, for one, can say that having a ride or die chica for trios certainly takes away any of the typical worry or concern of a "first cita" situation. I know not many come all the way to Colombia to roll like that, but it's worked out well, for me. It wasn't my plan, but given the quarantine, I stumbled into a comfortable situation.

My FUCKING SA is still not letting me log in, and I keep getting bullshit robot messages about how the nerd squad is working on it. So, I'm itching to get back to finding some noobies. There have been over a month's worth of birthdays since my last search & destroy mission.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2486401]I share this experience as a cautionary tale to let guys know to be mindful and careful:

So my good gringo friend whom I speak to throughout the day, almost everyday, went MIA at about 4PM this past Monday. I tried to reach him on Tuesday mid morning and again tried throughout Tuesday afternoon but his whatsapp messages were never opened and telephone calls to his phone went to voicemail.

Out of character and I knew something was wrong so called my good paisa buddy in the early evening (last night) and we took a drive over to his apartment, got there at about 9 PM and spoke to the portero about our concerns. He has not seen him all day but did tell us that he had a chica visitor the night before and that he saw her leave at about 11 PM on Monday.

The portero allowed us into the edifico and we headed straight to his apartment, after about one minute of banging on his door and yelling his name the door opened and he was clearly in bad shape, slurring his words, stumbling, almost incoherent at times, his pants were full of piss, some dried and some more recently wet, no shirt, with a look of a deer in the headlight. Yes he was drugged by a new Tinder girl whom he invited over to his apartment at about 10 PM on Monday evening..[/QUOTE]I recently stated: People are people and they have many strange ideas about Americans and many Colombians and Venezuelans have a deep rooted hatred for Americans, trust me I found this out the hard way. Many of these working girls have shown me that they are just as opportunistic as people growing up in the Ghettos of America. I grew up in the Ghettos of america and I know what it is like to live hand to mouth. Many have confided in me and told me, that they all think gringos are stupid, rich, and wasteful with money. I can easily see why they think that after spending 3 years here mongering.

And then I stated: Clearly no one on the board is addressing the fact that there are no new clients coming in or going out, the situation is this, you must find a way to earn a date with the clients who are here or you starve and clearly many of them are starving. As the devil's advocate, let me say this, you also must be extremely careful when dating any of these girls during these times as desperate times cause for desperate measures. I stick to the girls who have not tried to rob me and the ones who give great performances. *BMs please be careful Pollo Negro*is out!

Follow-up:

1) Flight left about 25-30 minutes late. Lots of late arrivals on the plane (I hope they felt my laser eyes burning them). So many people blow off the 3 hour rule. And in the past you often got away with it. But today there were flights to Bogota, Cali, MDE, DR all in the morning and all on Spirit. So apparently lines got long (because no self check-in) and these folks who don't follow directions well had to wait. Which means we had to wait.

2) Flight only arrived about 10 minutes late. There were healthcare folks in the walk-way toward immigration. Scanned us for temperature. Immigration lines have changed. Instead of one line for foreigners and one for Colombians, now there are a total of about 5 lines. Two for foreigners. I got in what I thought was the only gringo lane, but discovered I was mistaken. Many gringos behind me got out first (because they had two people servicing them and only one guy servicing us). So it took a little time, but thankfully we were the only flight. I only had to confirm my address. They did not ask for COVID test or proof of registration, since I guess they could see it. The process is a little slower, but I am sure they will improve some in time.

3) Bags were already out and no other lines. Just walked out. No visitors waiting in the lobby. Closed. Had to walk outside near entrance 3 (for national flights). But ATM machines worked and little store was open to buy some water and soda.

Medellin is a bit quiet. Traffic was not bad. My taxi guy tells me the white taxis are permitted to drive 1 day and then have 4 days off. So he's driving his own care also to make extra. Money.

Waiting on my high school sweetheart now.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2486399]I checked-in at the FLL airport today. A few things to note:

1) You cannot check-in at the kiosk and drop your luggage. You have to go through the line so they can check your COVID test and ensure that you already registered with the Colombian government. Luckily the line was not long and no issues in the process.

2) Seems like most of those in the gate area for this flight are Colomabians. Not too many obvious mongers.

3) Spirit flight for tomorrow is sold out. Prices are high for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. More normal rates early next week.

Seeing my 18 year old high school girlfriend this afternoon and a new girl (from Tinder) tonight. Hoping for a good time.

I'm feeling a little odd about this trip. It's been 6 months and I'm not returning to the same Colombia that I left. Definitely will be much more cautious. Not going out much, staying near the apartment, focusing on a small group of girls I know. It's going to be strange when I arrive, but hopefully I will settle in.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2486399]I checked-in at the FLL airport today. A few things to note:

1) You cannot check-in at the kiosk and drop your luggage. You have to go through the line so they can check your COVID test and ensure that you already registered with the Colombian government. Luckily the line was not long and no issues in the process.

2) Seems like most of those in the gate area for this flight are Colomabians. Not too many obvious mongers.

3) Spirit flight for tomorrow is sold out. Prices are high for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. More normal rates early next week.

Seeing my 18 year old high school girlfriend this afternoon and a new girl (from Tinder) tonight. Hoping for a good time.

I'm feeling a little odd about this trip. It's been 6 months and I'm not returning to the same Colombia that I left. Definitely will be much more cautious. Not going out much, staying near the apartment, focusing on a small group of girls I know. It's going to be strange when I arrive, but hopefully I will settle in.[/QUOTE]This may have nothing to do with me since I haven't been in the US in a couple of years I think. But Thanks--this a great post. Quick informative and with the info people are curious about. Solid work.

TTM, I hope your friend is doing much better now. Fortunately, it was just money that was lost. Common sense could have helped him in that situation, and unfortunately, he learned this one the hard way.

I wonder if he has her WhatsApp number, Facebook info, or saved her tinder info, or whether there is any security footage of her entering the apartment building.

If he was out for 24 hours, she must have slipped him something insanely strong.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2486401]I share this experience as a cautionary tale to let guys know to be mindful and careful:

...

Be careful and always stay aware.

BTW, his personality tends to be trusting and I keep warning him about this. These are bitches, these are working girls, these are thieves, these are scum, yes many appear to be sweet and nice and great fucks but never let your guard completely down, don't get complacent. Find them and fuck them but understand what they are.

Be safe and much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]WOW! Thanks for the report. I wish it wasn't true--but what you write is 100% true it is-never trust any of them. Never take a drink from someone, never let them open the bottle or hand you a drink. Open the wine bottle or their beer right in front of them. Show your awareness / vigilance in subtle ways. Ne ver leave a drink. A left drink is a finished empty drink. Its garbage. If your glass or bottle has something in it at any time it is not in your site-do not drink it--open a new one, and buy extras drinks so you can. Think of it like double dipping your chips. You dip a chip in the salsa-that's it--no rotation tricks, no sneaky other side dips--that chip is banned from the guacamole. 1 dip per chip.

When the bottle or glass leaves your sight for even a second-its been dipped-got to get another. They may appear sweet-but it is a hustle. Never underestimate generational bitterness and poverty and how it creates cutthroat villainy. Even in super hotties.

They see idealized USA on TV and we are all marks just coming and going (in their minds).

I feel for the dude, and I hope somehow she is too dumb to lay low and gets caught. Set up another Tinder and find the same pictures that will now be there with a different name and find her or her network?

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2486497]Follow-up:

1) Flight left about 25-30 minutes late. Lots of late arrivals on the plane (I hope they felt my laser eyes burning them). So many people blow off the 3 hour rule. And in the past you often got away with it. But today there were flights to Bogota, Cali, MDE, DR all in the morning and all on Spirit. So apparently lines got long (because no self check-in) and these folks who don't follow directions well had to wait. Which means we had to wait.

2) Flight only arrived about 10 minutes late. There were healthcare folks in the walk-way toward immigration. Scanned us for temperature. Immigration lines have changed. Instead of one line for foreigners and one for Colombians, now there are a total of about 5 lines. Two for foreigners. I got in what I thought was the only gringo lane, but discovered I was mistaken. Many gringos behind me got out first (because they had two people servicing them and only one guy servicing us). So it took a little time, but thankfully we were the only flight. I only had to confirm my address. They did not ask for COVID test or proof of registration, since I guess they could see it. The process is a little slower, but I am sure they will improve some in time.

3) Bags were already out and no other lines. Just walked out. No visitors waiting in the lobby. Closed. Had to walk outside near entrance 3 (for national flights). But ATM machines worked and little store was open to buy some water and soda..[/QUOTE]That's some good intel right there, by the way did you see the paisa buses outside of the airport, I am talking about the ones for the 10000 peso fares.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2486401]. Yes he was drugged by a new Tinder girl whom he invited over to his apartment at about 10 PM on Monday evening.

He had no idea that it was 24 hours later, this was Tuesday night now and he had been in a drugged induced state for 24 hours.

She stole 2 cell phones and at least 3 million pesos that he had in his closet hidden, so she ransacked through his stuff. I am glad to see him and that he is alive.

I will pick him up today at about noon and get him a new cell phone and try to determine what else is missing. Surprisingly she did not go through his jean pockets which he was wearing when she drugged him as his front pocket had a wad of almost 2 million and his other front pocket had his bank cards in it.


Be safe and much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2486399]I checked-in at the FLL airport today. A few things to note:

1) You cannot check-in at the kiosk and drop your luggage. You have to go through the line so they can check your COVID test and ensure that you already registered with the Colombian government. Luckily the line was not long and no

Seeing afternoon and a new girl (from Tinder) tonight. Hoping for a good time.

I'm feeling a little odd about this trip. It's been 6 months and I'm not returning to the same Colombia that I left. Definitely will be much more cautious. Not going out much, staying near the apartment, focusing on a small group of girls I know. It's going to be strange when I arrive, but hopefully I will settle in.[/QUOTE]ColombiaLover. I just happen to see The Tall Man's report about his friend getting scopolamine poisoned by a Tinder Chica. Ang then immediately after you are saying you are seeing a new Tinder chica< be very careful and dude if you need to see new chicas, Hit me up in a PM for some FB contacts instead of messing with these unknowns.