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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1792545]If you're new splitting the day between these two clubs will help you to decide which kind of club is for you.[/QUOTE]Thank you for advice. This being an AO club. Is there any testing to ensure safety or play at your own risk?
[QUOTE=Voyager1;1792425]I arrived at just before noon and was under the impression that the entrance fee would be waived as I had read it somewhere.[/QUOTE]This might have been a special offer at some time, but it has never been the rule and never been the case for any appreciable length of time.
[QUOTE=Voyager1;1792425]I know I will be back again.[/QUOTE]Not sure why your first attempts were rebuffed, but it looks like it all came out fine (pun, as always, intended) in the end.
[QUOTE=Global1810;1792619]Thank you for advice. This being an AO club. Is there any testing to ensure safety or play at your own risk?[/QUOTE]No, there is no testing of the customers. Some clubs do test the girls on an intermittent basis, but I do not know if Dietzenbach does. Regardless, given that each girl has multiple customers per day, obviously it is "play at your won risk" regardless of whether there is any testing on the girls' side.
[QUOTE=Global1810;1792619]Thank you for advice. This being an AO club. Is there any testing to ensure safety or play at your own risk?[/QUOTE]Well, there's no posted policy about testing and so on. I imagine there is probably some, but I think you should make your decisions as if there is none. And wearing a condom is not forbidden, it's an option.
[QUOTE=Global1810;1792619]Thank you for advice. This being an AO club. Is there any testing to ensure safety or play at your own risk?[/QUOTE]The girls are tested every two weeks.
HB.
[QUOTE=SneraDog;1792884]No, there is no testing of the customers.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I worded my question wrong. I was asking about customers.
Looks like I will be going to split Saturday with Dietzenbach and Sharks. Planning 11-5 at Dietzenbach and 5-close at Sharks. Unless you don't think the lineup will be good. Mainly I want to go here to try a new experience of AO club. Friday I will be at Oase and it is wrong direction so Saturday splitting Sharks is my only option.
Are the food and drinks OK in the past few weeks?
[QUOTE=UShobbyist;1793370]Are the food and drinks OK in the past few weeks?[/QUOTE]Frankfurters with mustard and some bread, some kind of soup, some cookies. Softs from the cheap plastic postmix machine, water, plain coffee. Has been like that for ages.
HB.
[QUOTE=Global1810;1792619]Thank you for advice. This being an AO club. Is there any testing to ensure safety or play at your own risk?[/QUOTE]With AO sex, you play your life, if man just before you has HIV, you can get it. Does it worth? AO sex is more safe with a not WG.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1793382]With AO sex, you play your life, if man just before you has HIV, you can get it. Does it worth? AO sex is more safe with a not WG.[/QUOTE]We are all aware of the risks, so no advise is needed here. We practice AO because we love it. I tried covered sex a few weeks ago and it sucked.
[QUOTE=DFWdude;1793489]We are all aware of the risks, so no advise is needed here. We practice AO because we love it. I tried covered sex a few weeks ago and it sucked.[/QUOTE]And what about poor romanian or bulgarian girls? Do they like to take so much risks? When some have children and all life to enjoy. I look forward AO sex will be forbidden, because it's not respectful for these girls who are obliged to accept to work in these clubs, because not pretty enough to get enough business in normal club. I m sad for 2 girls who return to work in FKK and I m very sad for AO girls obliged to take so much risks to food children.
[QUOTE=DFWdude;1793489]We are all aware of the risks, so no advise is needed here. We practice AO because we love it. I tried covered sex a few weeks ago and it sucked.[/QUOTE]The Original Poster (OP) was evidently not aware of the risks because the OP was specifically asking about the risks of AO. So, it would seem that we are not ALL aware of the risks, at least in so far as the OP was concerned.
Sure, this post would have been better placed in the safe sex thread, but the OP's original post clearly indicated that he was indeed not aware of the risks and was seeking additional information along these lines.
I can't believe I just defended a Siroija post. I'll try to not make a habit of it.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1793382]With AO sex, you play your life, if man just before you has HIV, you can get it. Does it worth? AO sex is more safe with a not WG.[/QUOTE]Can you give me a statistic supporting your claim? Precisely: how many people have got AIDS in the last few years in the West, by just having uncovered sex with a WG?
And moreover, in the very unlikely event that you would get it, (by f. A drug addicted gay man from Nigeria, for instance,) your life is not at risk. Treatment works.
Scaremongering people is not useful. Risks of AO are more destroying marriages, when you catch a gonorrhea and pass it on to your wife. If I had a regular partner, I would not go AO for that reason, but that's me, and I am not lecturing anyone here.
We are all big boys here, and we know what we like, and the risks we take. I have far more risks of getting hurt driving the motorbahn to the club than catching AIDS there. Still, I drive.
If someone needs more advice on STD, I don't think this forum is the right place.
Cheers, and back to club reports and info.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1793665]Can you give me a statistic supporting your claim? Precisely: how many people have got AIDS in the last few years in the West, by just having uncovered sex with a WG?
And moreover, in the very unlikely event that you would get it, (by f. A drug addicted gay man from Nigeria, for instance,) your life is not at risk. Treatment works.
Scaremongering people is not useful. Risks of AO are more destroying marriages, when you catch a gonorrhea and pass it on to your wife. If I had a regular partner, I would not go AO for that reason, but that's me, and I am not lecturing anyone here.
We are all big boys here, and we know what we like, and the risks we take. I have far more risks of getting hurt driving the motorbahn to the club than catching AIDS there. Still, I drive.
If someone needs more advice on STD, I don't think this forum is the right place.
Cheers, and back to club reports and info.[/QUOTE]I m not doctor, is there a doctor among members? Just ask yours about risks you take when fucking a girl without condom after so many others, and if you are married or have a girlfriend and fuck her after fucking an AO girl, then you don't respect your wife.
Of course, I can crash when I m sometimes over 300 km / h, 341 to challenge when I will be lucky to play with my fav girl, 911 turbo, but I prefer than dying from diseases from HIV, each one his risks and life.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1793665]Can you give me a statistic supporting your claim? Precisely: how many people have got AIDS in the last few years in the West, by just having uncovered sex with a WG?
And moreover, in the very unlikely event that you would get it, (by f. A drug addicted gay man from Nigeria, for instance,) your life is not at risk. Treatment works.
Scaremongering people is not useful. Risks of AO are more destroying marriages, when you catch a gonorrhea and pass it on to your wife. If I had a regular partner, I would not go AO for that reason, but that's me, and I am not lecturing anyone here.
We are all big boys here, and we know what we like, and the risks we take. I have far more risks of getting hurt driving the motorbahn to the club than catching AIDS there. Still, I drive.
If someone needs more advice on STD, I don't think this forum is the right place.
Cheers, and back to club reports and info.[/QUOTE]I wholeheartedly agree with you that this thread is not the best place for this information, so I would ask you then why you post about this topic here?
You asked for statistics in the West. CDC estimates that 1,218,400 persons aged 13 years and older are living with HIV infection, including 156,300 (12.8%) who are unaware of their infection. See [URL]http://goo.gl/SwOx6.[/URL] More data here: [URL]http://goo.gl/MLjClf[/URL] and here: [URL]http://goo.gl/HM4MjV.[/URL].
I don't know why you are focused on HIV / AIDS and don't ask about Herpes. Both are uncurable (albeit treatable). Simply because treatments work for these diseases does not make them non-issues for people. The medications can have serious side effects and the medications can be quite costly (often incredibly so without adequate decent health insurance). Contracting either one of these puts you at higher risks for other medical problems. On top of that, if you find yourself having to undergo treatment for leukemia or even other diseases while having one of these sexually-transmitted diseases, then you're really fucked due to the side effects and problems you will experience during your cancer treatment. Apparently, antivirals either can't be taken or don't work during certain cancer treatments and some of the treatments cause these viruses to flare up. I've read about some dude whose dick almost fell off during his cancer treatment due to having herpes during the treatment.
Fact of the matter is that there are no good statistics available that provide a good indicator of how high the risk is when one takes when has AO sex in FKK. Part of this lack of data is that it considered unethical to perform controlled studies on human beings where a group of human beings without an STD are forced to have sex with someone who has an STD and then measure how many people got infected afterward. Because of this limitation, the data collected is limited to after-the-fact survey data and such methods are plagued with a variety of proof problems.
There is no disputing that there is some risk because most people who have contracted STDs did so through, guess what, yes, that's right, unprotected sex. How big is the risk? Nobody seems to have any good estimates of that. So many variables at play.
You say that everyone here are big boys and we all know the risks they take. So, then I would ask you why the Original Poster was seeking answers to these very questions about what the level of risk was. Are you suggesting that the Original Poster was being disingenuous about his ignorance on this topic?
You say that scaremongering is not the answer. Burying one's head in the sand and pretending there is no risk is not the solution either. Let's at least try to be honest with our fellow hobbyists.
I am not trying to convince folks one way or the other. Go do whatever pleases you -- I don't care. Just trying to add some balance to the discussion.