Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479727]The Ministry of Health, however, stated on Tuesday, that "conditions no longer warrant the closure of international flights to and from the large capitals of the country. : And having given the green light for airlines to relaunch international routes, the Ministry claims that "it is unlikely" that inbound passengers will increase the risk of coronavirus transmission.

The first countries that have been approved for arrivals and departures are Chile, Panama, USA, Ecuador and Peru.[/QUOTE]This minister sounds like Baldrick from Black Adder. He has a cunning plan. In order to ensure the safety of our already heavily infected population we will be opening our borders to countries with endemic levels of COVID-19. It's a cunning plan indeed.

Blakman,

Your update is almost a week old. Did you factor any of this in before you posted that you decided you would not come due to perceived risks?

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479727]The Ministry of Health, however, stated on Tuesday, that "conditions no longer warrant the closure of international flights to and from the large capitals of the country. : And having given the green light for airlines to relaunch international routes, the Ministry claims that "it is unlikely" that inbound passengers will increase the risk of coronavirus transmission.

The first countries that have been approved for arrivals and departures are Chile, Panama, USA, Ecuador and Peru.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479808]My ticket is purchased for end of September, so deep down I am rooting for sjob to get in LOL. My daughter says I am impulsive so maybe it was impulsive reaction LOL.
.[/QUOTE]You are not bringing her to Medellin with you, right?

Dude. You must be a trump voter

[quote=blackpage;2479851]you are not bringing her to medellin with you, right?[/quote].

[QUOTE=Blakman;2479854]Dude. You must be a trump voter.[/QUOTE]I take it as a "NO, NEVER".

It seems likely travelers will need to present proof of a negative Covid test shortly before flying.

Does anyone have more info on this? Any idea of what that proof will need to look like?

Surely a text message from your free Covid testing center at the park will not be sufficient.

Any good ideas?

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2479746]This minister sounds like Baldrick from Black Adder. He has a cunning plan. In order to ensure the safety of our already heavily infected population we will be opening our borders to countries with endemic levels of COVID-19. It's a cunning plan indeed.[/QUOTE]Well why would that be a cunning plan? It makes no sense to keep the borders closed. If there is testing on arrival or before departure, and you make it a requirement to have health insurance what more would you expect? After 6 months, assuming 10 x the actual number of confirmed cases have the virus. There is literally no reason to keep borders closed. If you feel uncomfortable, stay at home and wear a mask 24/7. Peru has had their borders closed and lockdowns for how many months now? Today they see the highest fatality rates, proving once again that lockdowns are useless and only delay the inevitable. Look at Argentina and Panama that did the same thing, cases skyrocketing while thinking that keeping things closed along with borders would help. Nope, not even close. When most cases are found to be people with no symptoms, or very mild symptoms the justification to keep borders closed looks more silly with each week that passes. Well done to the Colombian government for at least sticking to a timeline which is a surprise, I am sure that this will help the economy get back on its feet albeit slowly, there won't be any significant case rise nor deaths, and the general sentiment I get from Colombian colleagues is they just want to move forward from this as it has been mentally draining and created more problems for them, their family and their economy. Can't let the supposed cure be worse than the disease itself, which has mutated into a virus with very mild symptoms of any. Positivity for the win.

Why do you say "it seems likely"? On what do you base that statement? Thank you in advance for any information to which we can respond. Meanwhile, I can share that as of this morning there are no Colombia immigration or presidential statements or guidelines on the subject. This is why I am curious about your statement.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2479974]It seems likely travelers will need to present proof of a negative Covid test shortly before flying.

Does anyone have more info on this? Any idea of what that proof will need to look like?

Surely a text message from your free Covid testing center at the park will not be sufficient.

Any good ideas?[/QUOTE]

I think this is as official as it gets. The debate and wait is basically over. Hopefully soon, we all can get back to talking about banging 18-year-olds instead of becoming a covid expert and travel media guru.

[URL]https://idm.presidencia.gov.co/prensa/Paginas/En-septiembre-tendremos-pilotos-de-vuelos-internacionales-Presidente-Duque-200830.aspx[/URL]

Excuse me if I am harsh, but what is the point of exhibiting very basic ignorance on a topic, shameless or even proud? I do not try to lecture anyone on Theory of Harmony, even if when I was teen I enjoyed strumming chords on my guitar.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998] It makes no sense to keep the borders closed. There is literally no reason to keep borders closed.[/QUOTE]Even if you ignore it and do not see the reason, the basics of Epidemiology (a branch of math Control Theory) show the effect of people mobility on the spreading. It's math, not an opinion.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998]proving once again that lockdowns are useless and only delay the inevitable.[/QUOTE]Not only delay the inevitable. Reduce the consequences.

You miss the difference between reaching 10 millions of infected in few months or in several years. Ever heard the "flattening the curve" thing?

Besides the hope we all have that an effective vaccine will be found, sooner or later, there is a difference for any country between having 100,000 or 1,000,000 persons in need of oxygen bottles and having few hundreds in such condition.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998] which has mutated into a virus with very mild symptoms of any. Positivity for the win.[/QUOTE]It is frankly incredible that there is still people believing and spreading this hoax. Someone likes to consider wishful thinking as reality, mainly to reassure themselves, but sooner or later true reality comes and knocks at the door.

The virus is the same. The fact that today in some countries (I look at Europe) there are less people in intensive care than in March is not that the virus has a sweeter heart, but a simple matter of math ratios. Today there is less people infected than in March or April.

At that time, in Europe we were overwhelmed and underestimating the number of infected by a factor 5 or even 10, who knows. Today, more tests mean more rapid response and detection. In addition, more youngsters get infected, mainly because they are / were not afraid and forgot to be cautious. This mean less severe consequences, but also easier spreading from now on (youngsters live in homes with elders).

I have a colleague who moved from Europe to stay with his family in Bangalore and he is desperate to see 2 members of his family to die, and they are not poor. They can afford best hospitals. The virus is the same and does its work: replicate. We cannot extinguish it, unless we can close everyone everywhere at home for 1 year, but we can slow it down and make consequences bearable (yes, to allow also some to think that "the virus is not the same anymore", like seasons).

I write all this not to convince you (I would not try even with Flat-Earthers), but because I attempt to contrast the spreading of hoaxes.

Last but not least: why don't we all just write about pussy, on which we all have some real experience to tell others, instead of venturing into Unknown Lands to debate what is out of topic and we don't know?

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998]Can't let the supposed cure be worse than the disease itself, which has mutated into a virus with very mild symptoms of any. Positivity for the win.[/QUOTE]Let's do some numbers at scale here. Between 1955 and 1975 282,000 US and allied service personnel were killed in the Vietnam war. Today the confirmed death toll in the US from COVID-19 is 188,000 which has occurred over approximately six months. Let that sink in for a moment. By the end of the year this pandemic would have caused more death in the US to every day citizens than it did to military personnel over a twenty year period. Again, let that sink in. Think about all the brothers, sons, sisters, mothers who have died in the last six months.

I'm staying out of countries that aren't taking this pandemic seriously. I like breathing.

Have a good day sir, and I hope you stay safe and healthy.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2480034]Let's do some numbers at scale here. Between 1955 and 1975 282,000 US and allied service personnel were killed in the Vietnam war. Today the confirmed death toll in the US from COVID-19 is 188,000 which has occurred over approximately six months. Let that sink in for a moment. By the end of the year this pandemic would have caused more death in the US to every day citizens than it did to military personnel over a twenty year period. Again, let that sink in. Think about all the brothers, sons, sisters, mothers who have died in the last six months.

I'm staying out of countries that aren't taking this pandemic seriously. I like breathing.

Have a good day sir, and I hope you stay safe and healthy.[/QUOTE]Forgive me, YippieKayay because while I am replying to you, it is in no way directed only at you.

Is there anything more exhausting than reading everyone's expert opinion on COVID? All I have learned is that every pervert on these boards is an expert in the communicable disease field.

Far be it from me to leave my expert opinion out. LOL. What in the hell does Vietnam have to do with COVID? That is just a pointless comparison.

As for Black Page's comments about flattening the curve, that was never anything more than a marketing ploy. The very people that created the shutdowns admit the purpose was simply to not overrun the hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc. But now what? For those that still want everything shutterer indefinitely, what are we waiting for? A vaccine that may never come? Better therapeutics? Because God knows if a therapeutic is promoted, it better be endorsed by your chosen political party. If we should stay on lock down, my question is until when?

Both sides of this argument spin numbers and statistics but everyone agrees this highly contagious virus has spread far beyond what we know. Asymptomatic carriers FAR outnumber those known cases. What that means is infection rates are worthless. Asymptomatic carriers are more often than not, never tested. So no one knows infection rates. Let alone testing rates. Hell, even causes of deaths have proven unreliable or even fraudulent.

So all we are left with is common sense. Let's assume the 188 K figure is accurate. Do you know what percentage of the population that is? One death sucks. I appreciate how callous I sound. But what is the end game? Even if you ignore the countless lives destroyed by the shut down, what are we waiting for?

Understand, I do not begrudge anyone their opinion. The other thing I learned is the power of fear. But as YippieKayay stated, we can all stay at home. But shutting down the global economy for a hope, well, that's just not a viable strategy. Puntz offered several examples of the ineffectiveness of a shutdown. The concept is a farce. Think about your own town during the shutdown. Were your streets completely vacant? Of course not. So all it did was slow the spread. It did not and cannot stop the spread.

Rant over.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998]There is literally no reason to keep borders closed. If you feel uncomfortable, stay at home and wear a mask 24/7. Peru has had their borders closed and lockdowns for how many months now? Today they see the highest fatality rates, proving once again that lockdowns are useless and only delay the inevitable. [/QUOTE]Spoken just like someone that wants to go somewhere they can't. Now tell us how the lockdowns and border closure in Thailand proved useless and delayed the inevitable. There has been no case here in over 90 days after everyone did what they were supposed to. When Thai people are returning home they get bussed from the airport to certain quarantine hotels where they must stay for 14 days and be tested 3 times (not just show a phony photoshopped test at the airport - yes I have buddies doing that in Dominican Republic). Maybe some countries are just not doing their distancing and quarantine shit right. I am happy to be in one where they did.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]Forgive me, YippieKayay because while I am replying to you, it is in no way directed only at you.

Is there anything more exhausting than reading everyone's expert opinion on COVID? All I have learned is that every pervert on these boards is an expert in the communicable disease field.

Far be it from me to leave my expert opinion out. LOL. What in the hell does Vietnam have to do with COVID? That is just a pointless comparison.

As for Black Page's comments about flattening the curve, that was never anything more than a marketing ploy. The very people that created the shutdowns admit the purpose was simply to not overrun the hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc. But now what? For those that still want everything shutterer indefinitely, what are we waiting for? A vaccine that may never come? Better therapeutics? Because God knows if a therapeutic is promoted, it better be endorsed by your chosen political party. If we should stay on lock down, my question is until when?

Both sides of this argument spin numbers and statistics but everyone agrees this highly contagious virus has spread far beyond what we know. Asymptomatic carriers FAR outnumber those known cases. What that means is infection rates are worthless. Asymptomatic carriers are more often than not, never tested. So no one knows infection rates. Let alone testing rates. Hell, even causes of deaths have proven unreliable or even fraudulent.

So all we are left with is common sense. Let's assume the 188 K figure is accurate. Do you know what percentage of the population that is? One death sucks. I appreciate how callous I sound. But what is the end game? Even if you ignore the countless lives destroyed by the shut down, what are we waiting for?.[/QUOTE]And you are right.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]Forgive me, YippieKayay because while I am replying to you, it is in no way directed only at you.

Is there anything more exhausting than reading everyone's expert opinion on COVID? All I have learned is that every pervert on these boards is an expert in the communicable disease field.

Far be it from me to leave my expert opinion out. LOL [/QUOTE]Then you go on to lay out the same tired Fox News crowd party line that has been rebutted repeatedly over several months in the other thread, the one dedicated to off topic discussions. One should not feel obligated to go through it all over again for each monger that parachutes in.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]What in the hell does Vietnam have to do with COVID? That is just a pointless comparison. [/QUOTE]If you mean Thailand then Mr E well established the relevance. Anyone who missed it just wasn't paying attention.