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The saunas at the Koreana and the New Seoul across the street provide happy endings.

[QUOTE=Msukc; 1163448]I am traveling to Seoul and Daegu next week. I will be very busy with work during my stay. I have traveled to China many times and it seems most the hotel massage services offer extras.

I assume this is true in Korea. Am I correct?

I have rtff and I haven't seen much discussion on hotel massage services. The reason I ask is because I am not sure I will be able to slip away to the RLDs, unfortunately.

I am not too concerned because I plan on just using the massage services and see where it takes me. Worst case, I will get a nice massage.

I will report my findings in a couple of weeks after my return. [/QUOTE]

KimchiWarrior. So this is after a normal 60 minute massage at the Koreana or New Seoul in their spa (whatever floor it is in?). Any idea about the cost and what kind of ladies that work there? After getting nothing more than a simple backrub at Cool and Belle. Would love a real massage followed by the juicing.

Bradley. Agree that K-Girls are often fake with lots of plastic surgery, a little bony and lack of TNA but they make up for it with cuteness, in my opinion. I think all the best do work at officetels and high end room salons, which is why stunners are lacking. In USA the Korean girls have more to offer in body but only because of the eating and lack of exercise (due to driving rather than walking). And plastic surgery on the face just isn't all that common for young people, so seeing them in the light of day, they just don't look good.

HE massages in the US are too much of a hit or miss. Even the shadiest looking AMP often you leave with a massage and nothing more, and could get kicked out for groping. Picking a girl at random from backpage. Com or some escort service is often a big miss with a big hole burning in your pocket. Hate the fact that FS can often cost $500 or more. That's 1/4 of the average man's take home pay. Even with what's often lacking here in Korea. Everything is a steal compared to the US. What you get for $150 or $180 at an anma (provided you get lucky with a hot girl who gives GFE) is just plain unbeatable.

Crazy night. Went on date with Ubeckistan girl (3rd date-2 months work) Wouldn't come up to motel. Didn't want to waste my cash spent so called outservice SP I know. While waiting this drunk local 25 year old korean girl, came up and starting talking to me in Korean. I scooped her back to the motel ditching my SP. Within 5 minutes BBBJ and and FS. Had to blow in her mouth because to be honest she was fat. Got dressed gave her my number (thinking why didn't her a fake one) , left and jumped on subway. 1 HR ride home realized I left my $2000 Armani suit jacket in motel! Jumped back on train heading back and she actually called more drunk than before. Got my buddy to call (my Korean not that good) and went to Kangnam to meet her to get my jacket. She told me she was at NB, but I asked some Korean teenager walking by to help me find it. However she was actually in a male host bar next door! You shoulda seen the faces of the pretty boy guys when they saw me rushing in and grabbing my jacket. Whata night! Not go mention to hot RS girls walking around after.

There are some good lookers in the past in Jeonju but lately they have been foreigner (even gyopo) unfriendly. My ex-ATF who used to work in Jeonju no longer returns my text msgs so I have not dropped by and just journey all the way to Busan or Seoul (what a waste of gas)

Has anyone tried Paju Yongjugol Dragon lately? To get there, take the train from Shinchon to Paju then take a local bus to Paju Eup heading west. This was "the bomb RLD!" 5 years ago but last year I saw the place in a state of disrepair. I was wondering if you guys wanted to rent a car to check out all corners of the RLD world in the Seoul area? I think I have time next week if my planned trip with huge discount to Thailand / Phillipines falls through. I found a fare from Daegu for 340, 000 won R / T for 3Nights / 5Days to BKK and another from ICN to Manila for roughly the same price without night / day restrictions.

[QUOTE=Bradley1;1163308]Also Enchoo, do you know where exactly the RLD is in Jeonju?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kimchi Warrior;1163622]The saunas at the Koreana and the New Seoul across the street provide happy endings.[/QUOTE]If you expect the same sort of service from spas / health center / massage parlors located within 5-star hotels as in PRC, just forget. The most health clubs / spas are opened to memberships and do not provide any special services.

Depend on where you stay, but there are a plenty of massage parlors located around hotels in seoul. They are called in korean "an ma si sul so." these MPs have full spa facilties: steam room, hot and cold tubs, showers, lounge etc. If you are first timer, you pay up front at cashier and will be given a locker. Keep your stuff in the locker, take a shower (most provide disposal toothbrush / paste, shaving kit) , kick back in the lounge for a while until they call you. Then you go up to a room, where you will be given a massage by blind massaeur. After that, a girl will come into the room. Some places will skip the massage part. Anyway, if you have never been there, then it is an eye-opening experience. It used to cost around krw 120, 000. Not sure how much they charege now. Again, it all depend on location and level of service.

Enzoo, I spoke with a friend of mine.

Don't bother with dabangs. While the quality at a RLD may vary, you get a choice, and it is half the price of a dabang. He told me that by missing out on RLD, I pretty much got shafted.

So from my educated opinion. RLD is the best bet based on price, choice, and quality. Unless you want an ass licking, then go to an anma. If you want BBFS, according to my friend, ask before you pay them.

Okay, with that out of the way, can someone explain the exact etiquette for a room salon? I plan on at least going once, and it looks like it's going to be by myself.

1. Please tell me paying etiquette. Who are you supposed to tip and how much? Band / waiter / girl / manager?

2. From searching, approximate cost for everythign including 2-cha ranges from $600-$800. Still accurate?

3. RLD A-Girl vs Room Salon Girls (jum O and lower). Who's hotter?

Thanks so much.

[QUOTE=Bradley1; 1163680]Enzoo, I spoke with a friend of mine.

Don't bother with dabangs. While the quality at a RLD may vary, you get a choice, and it is half the price of a dabang. He told me that by missing out on RLD, I pretty much got shafted.

So from my educated opinion. RLD is the best bet based on price, choice, and quality. Unless you want an ass licking, then go to an anma. If you want BBFS, according to my friend, ask before you pay them.

Okay, with that out of the way, can someone explain the exact etiquette for a room salon? I plan on at least going once, and it looks like it's going to be by myself.

1. Please tell me paying etiquette. Who are you supposed to tip and how much? Band / waiter / girl / manager?

2. From searching, approximate cost for everythign including 2-cha ranges from $600-$800. Still accurate?

3. RLD A-Girl vs Room Salon Girls (jum O and lower). Who's hotter?

Thanks so much.[/QUOTE]It all depends on the quality of the RS, but true RS prices range as follows:

1. Never tip manager. Band will up the cost about 100 per hour, waiter gets tipped 20-50, girl will cost about 100-200. No need to tip more for anyone.

2. Generally, the fruit and scotch setup will be in the 400-800 range with additional bottles running you another 200-400 each for the cheap stuff. If you add a band and girl to the low range, I suppose you're in the 600-800 range you were talking about.

3. As always, it depends on where you go and even what time you go. Jum-O and up will mean that your girls are rotating so you have the option of paying 4-8 times (meaning 400-800) to lock her in or you're not going to see her for long stretches of time. Madam (or their assistants) might stick around to entertain you, but going alone is going to be a waste for that reason alone. You have the option of getting two girls too for double, but you really need to know where you're going beforehand. All in all, the hottest girls at RS are hotter than A-row RLD and you have a better chance of seeing them in the lineup if you go early, know someone and make it clear you will spend some money.

If you don't like what you see, just leave. (but make sure they don't open the seal on the liquor or your going to pay and stay).

These are current prices for true Jum-O or RS (not the cheaper versions. Dalan-ju-jum or bukchangdong).

[QUOTE=PolarisRay; 1163675]If you expect the same sort of service from spas / health center / massage parlors located within 5-star hotels as in PRC, just forget. The most health clubs / spas are opened to memberships and do not provide any special services.
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Right, which is why I just specified HE and named a couple of known venues. A guest can use all the facilities of a 5, but few if any of those have extras.

[QUOTE]Depend on where you stay, but there are a plenty of massage parlors located around hotels in seoul. They are called in korean "an ma si sul so."[/QUOTE]

This is misleading, though, because extremely few of these places will accept non-Koreans, esp non-Asians.

[QUOTE=Dodgers55;1163646]KimchiWarrior. So this is after a normal 60 minute massage at the Koreana or New Seoul in their spa (whatever floor it is in?). Any idea about the cost and what kind of ladies that work there?[/QUOTE]Yes, full massage, then release. 90K KRW; generally the girls are a little older, looks vary all over the lot, very hit or miss.

I've been to Cool and Belle and now want to finish off my trip at an anma (leaving Friday) , with some assurance I'd get decent service and a pretty girl for shelling out the 180, 000 won. Still in the American state of mind, I won't expect too much for what amounts to $170. In the dry country all you can get is a 6 minute CBJ or cfs at a strip joint or possibly a incall massage with HE for that kind of money. I've considered a full legit massage with HE, and RLD. But a soapy sounds the best.

I know Seolleung Station is the place to go for anmas and I've gathered some trip reports from last year from and have a couple places in mind to go. But I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can share experiences from a recent visit and rather quickly too.

Let me share my experiences about Cool and Belle in a bit of detail now. Previously only vaguely described it.

Cool. Walked into a carwash entrance by the sign, turned left went downstairs, got buzzed in. This is where foreigners could get turned down if you don't look asian. Paid 75, 000 won to a young korean guy. Got lead to a room, put on a gown, took a shower came back and got buzzed in. The girl was pretty, not much of a body, she clearly lied tho when she was 22. Based on her behavior and looks I figure 26 or 27. She really acted interested when I talked coming from USA. She commutes from a long way to work at Cool, said she's been there a couple of months. After chatting, got a ass massage (no back rub) , she lied next to me and went to work with the gelled HJ. Rushed a bit and wasn't too thrilled when I finished without warning. Haha. Hands are free to roam but I didn't try under panties. Took another shower chatted a bit more got some juice and was on my way. Not much of a GFE, just eh. Worth the money? Yeah I'd say so.

Belle. Walked down a twisty set of stairs, didn't have to buzz they already saw me and let me in. Was greeted by a hot chick, who collected 70, 000 won and sent me to the shower. Same drill. The girl who came in wasn't the same as the greeter, wasn't that hot but really cute. Looked like she could be like 18 or 19, but said 22. 22 must be the default answer when asked about age by these girls. Got a backrub this time, chatted about places to visit around Seoul. She said her home was in gangnam and lived there her whole life. She started looking prettier as time went by. Then flipped by a very light BBBJ. And rubbing. I asked her to go a bit slow as sometimes I go fast she obliged. A bit of lfk and then I finished. Very sensual experience with some roaming, she had baby soft skin. Took a shower, got my vita 500 and was on my way. I tipped her 10, 000 won because she was so sweet.

Both places I went around 3pm, no wait and place was pretty empty. I don't know how things go late at night, prolly long waits and even some refusals. There's no guarantee the girls are hotter at nights too.

People are expecting way too much when criticizing Cool and Belle. You are not going to find KPop looking girls and I don't even think college girls work here. The girls here do it as a profession. The college girls looking for extra income are at the kiss bangs and room salons near the campus (Hongdae, SNU, Yonsei, Ewha, etc).

[QUOTE=Esq69; 1163893]It all depends on the quality of the RS, but true RS prices range as follows:

1. Never tip manager. Band will up the cost about 100 per hour, waiter gets tipped 20-50, girl will cost about 100-200. No need to tip more for anyone.

2. Generally, the fruit and scotch setup will be in the 400-800 range with additional bottles running you another 200-400 each for the cheap stuff. If you add a band and girl to the low range, I suppose you're in the 600-800 range you were talking about.

3. As always, it depends on where you go and even what time you go. Jum-O and up will mean that your girls are rotating so you have the option of paying 4-8 times (meaning 400-800) to lock her in or you're not going to see her for long stretches of time. Madam (or their assistants) might stick around to entertain you, but going alone is going to be a waste for that reason alone. You have the option of getting two girls too for double, but you really need to know where you're going beforehand. All in all, the hottest girls at RS are hotter than A-row RLD and you have a better chance of seeing them in the lineup if you go early, know someone and make it clear you will spend some money.

If you don't like what you see, just leave. (but make sure they don't open the seal on the liquor or your going to pay and stay).

These are current prices for true Jum-O or RS (not the cheaper versions. Dalan-ju-jum or bukchangdong).[/QUOTE]Thanks Esq, very very informative post.

Relaying a report for my friend who went to a full salon:

Full salon with tips included will set you back 400 per head. He said his girl told him that 10, 000 tip is standard for waiter / manager / motel. So basically just add on 30, 000 won for tip.

He said that it is worth it compared to RLD due to the fact the girl will stick with you for a couple hours and pretend to be your girlfriend, feeding you, hugging you, and seducing you.

He said girls vary, but he said in the lineup, he saw at least a few girls that he considered pretty hot.

Now considering that a full salon is supposed to be "less" quality than a room salon, this really piques my curiousity on what a room salon is like.

Anyway, good luck.

Anywhere I can find what these acronyms mean? Been searching to no avail.

Most I can guess. Bu RLD?

[QUOTE=Yarichin; 1164436]Anywhere I can find what these acronyms mean? Been searching to no avail.

Most I can guess. Bu RLD? [/QUOTE]Click on the "Abbreviations" link above, it has most of the acronyms mentioned on this thread. RLD is red light district.
[QUOTE=Dodgers55;1164018] Still in the American state of mind, I won't expect too much for what amounts to $170In the dry country all you can get is a 6 minute CBJ or cfs at a strip joint or possibly a incall massage with HE for that kind of money.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure where you're from in the States, but I was in California earlier this year and the Korean talent that was available off the internet (SF redbook) was better than anything I've seen/banged here in Korea. And the price was similar to what you pay here as well ($160hh/$200hr). Honestly, for that price I banged three different Korean chicks all working out of one apartment building and they gave service us foreigners can only dream about here in-country; BBBJ, AR, DFK, etc. Again, check out the redbook website, there are tons of Korean girls working in the San Francisco/South Bay area.

This may be the only country in the world where it's hookers are better once they leave the country; for most other nationalities, it's the other way around!

[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1164614]Click on the "Abbreviations" link above, it has most of the acronyms mentioned on this thread. RLD is red light district.

I'm not sure where you're from in the States, but I was in California earlier this year and the Korean talent that was available off the internet (SF redbook) was better than anything I've seen / banged here in Korea. And the price was similar to what you pay here as well ($160hh/$200hr). Honestly, for that price I banged three different Korean chicks all working out of one apartment building and they gave service us foreigners can only dream about here in-country; BBBJ, AR, DFK, etc. Again, check out the redbook website, there are tons of Korean girls working in the San Francisco / South Bay area.

This may be the only country in the world where it's hookers are better once they leave the country; for most other nationalities, it's the other way around! [/QUOTE]Hi Ezinho.

I mean no offense and I know you are a veteran monger in the forum but I'm really interested to know which class of establishments you have tried in Korea to make such a statement. Again, I'm not trying to argue but I definitely think the korean SPs in foreign countries don't hold a candle to the providers in Korea. Personally I haven't tried to providers in America, but I have been to korean only brothels in Australia and I can kind of get a geist of what you are saying; there are some very good looking girls here and I would rate them as the A row girls at 588 but that's that. While at the brothel that I frequent in Australia have consistently beautiful korean girls (so I can get a geist of what you are trying to say) but the talent in Korea has so much more to offer. A girls at 588 are just that. An ace at a RLD, low class establishment, good looking but not fantastic. Which has led to another interesting point. BBBJ, BBFS is available at most places and AR is a normal routine at an Anma. DFK is somewhat dependant on girls but I don't consider any of those an impossibility in Korea.

Which has lead to another question, have you tried the talent that can be had at an officetel? While the talents can vary somewhat but you cannot go wrong in officetels that are situated in Gangnam. 130k for an hour or 150k (plus added mandatory fee for an ace) for an hour with 2 pops with talents that are frankly not found in any RLDs that I've been to is quite a bargain. Of course, you can choose the girl from their website before you make the booking so you know what you are getting (body wise LOL. Face blurred but it never disappoints). Kind of strict and no nonsense place in my opinion but well worth the price to bang girls that are not 10% material but getting there (who has the cash to play around in 10%s anyway.).

Or with fun places, have you tried what the koreans call a gunma? There are the hardcore public room salons too which are worth a visit.

I'm still curious as to how beautiful these korean girls in America that you speak of but I'll post up a picture with an advertisement of some officetel girls and you can tell me if you can definitely find better.

Regards Zarcady

Sample of Officetel girls. Sorry the quality of these girls aren't that good. I might post up a better advertisement when I get some time but here's a sample anyway.

Hmm. A 2mb file is shortened to12kb. Anyone know how to post a bigger picture?