Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Aimless;2982973]Thanks for the props ET. It's my pleasure to be the fall guy on a voluntary basis. I find it all fascinating. And yea, like I just posted, Soi 7 really caught my attention so I'll be investing more time there as those 21/22 year olds are probably just what I'm looking for, and I'm prepared to play the game. I'm nowhere near fluent in Thai but study every day and make a game out of learning more Thai with these girls which actually makes for great conversation, lots of laughs, lots of fun and top tier education. I'll keep up the reports as long as I can. Regarding tasting you guys, I think that comes with the country since all these girls have been ridden quite a bit at the very least. I got spoiled in the Philippines where it's easy to find an untouched country girl, but they get boring pretty quick Cheers! A.[/QUOTE]Just remember one thing. What they tell you about you being their first customer and bra bra bra. It's all fake. The girl I posted about on Soi 7 told me the same thing. # weeks in the business and I was her first customer. Bla blah blah. She performed like a pro. It was obvious she has worked before.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2981988]I'm not going to repeat the whole report, but wonderland is a ladyboy bar.[/QUOTE]If this is the first bar at the top of the stairs on your left 1 up from the ground level, then it is full of post op lady boys. It has been for years. The problem is they mix a few real girls in and it confuses some tourists. I always stay clear of that place. A client of mine got into a huge issue in there because he felt he was mislead by his girl. He actually refused to pay her in the hotel and we had to intervene.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2983594]There might be more fluent Thai speakers here who can give you a recommendation. That is, if being so fluent in Thai improves one's chances of getting BBFSCIP with a P4 P girl in a first session. Some here will suggest that it does. I have my doubts about that. I have found some P4 P girls think a relative newbie who isn't quite so familiar with the language, culture, everything AND is asking for BBFSCIP in perfect Thai language has not lived here long enough and banged so many Thai hookers BB to be as riddled with disease as they "think" he might be by now. So, it depends. Maybe a good idea to know and speak the exact right Thai words for it. Or maybe it is better to appear a bit less experienced about it.

Of course, as usual, YMMV.

So I just stick with "boom boom no condom" or perhaps, if asking rather than telling, "boom boom OK mai?

And I am likely to now add "and finish inside", since I am really not interested in renegotiating a whole new feature at the point of penetrative or sometime after the 3rd stroke.

But I have also Google Translated it if necessary. I would say a good 90% plus P4P girls in Bangkok and Pattaya who go with Farangs will understand the English words I have stated so far.

You know, funny thing about that "Real Sex" term I employ for BBFSCIP, usually adding DFK and BBBJ as well. I used to get flamed here for using that term, some punters feeling insulted or bothered by the suggestion that the covered sex they accept or enjoy is somehow not "Real Sex".

However, almost any time I ever used the term "Real Sex" with a Thai girl I was first time texting with on ThaiFriendly, Tinder or whatever, they seemed to know exactly what I meant by it as opposed to "sex with condom" even if I hadn't yet broken down my definition of it as stated here. They would almost always reply, "You mean without condom"? Maybe they ran it through Google Translate. LOL. Yes, that is what I mean.

So maybe some punters don't agree with referring to BBFSCIP as "Real Sex" but an awful lot of Thai P4P girls of any age seem to know the difference between that and "sex with condom" easily enough.[/QUOTE]I mostly never ever talk about this with the girls I meet in bars. It just naturally happens. I only bring it up on Thai Friendly and it always comes with an offer that most times is not refused.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2983831]I mostly never ever talk about this with the girls I meet in bars. It just naturally happens. I only bring it up on Thai Friendly and it always comes with an offer that most times is not refused.[/QUOTE]As recently as 2020, I did the same as you. I was 100% happy using condom. But now I'm old as dirt and I cannot finish in a condom. If in the room she insists on condom, it is frustrating for me and for her. It is a waste of my time and my money. Now I won't take anyone unless BBFSCIP is arranged in advance.

Just me, others should do as they like, but I prefer not to negotiate upfront for specific services. I consider a BBBJ the default no matter where I choose to punt and I will call off the session if a girl will not perform it. Most of the time there is no need to even mention it, but occasionally a girl will reach for a condom and I will just say later baby, blow me first. I do prefer BBFS with most girls I am with, but on this, I will accept a girl's preferences at least on our 1st session. My stats are around 25% of my BKK Go Go girls bareback on our 1st time together. This stat is much higher in other countries in SE Asia, so I am at a loss as to why some BM's stick around BKK or Pattaya when they can have a 90% BB probability with no negotiation elsewhere. As many of you might know, I have been visiting Brazil since covid. My stats in SP boates (nightclub bordellos) is around 10% of my Brazilian girls BBFS on our 1st time. A rather low country stat.

So, 2 questions arise from this: 1) why do I keep returning to Sao Paulo and 2) why don't I negotiate BBFS before taking a girl? 1) is because SP girls are smoking' hot and are in my experience they are the best performers in bed. 2) is because I prefer spontaneity with my girls. Have you ever been with a girl who wanted protected vaginal sex in the beginning, which I always consent to if that is what she wants (I always have a couple of MY condom brand in the nightstand by the bed), but who then later changed her mind about it after we played around a little and her juices began to flow. I have experienced this on many occasions and the experience is worth its weight in gold. I want passion with my intercourse and you can't negotiate that. So, all I try to do is turn her on. It always leads to a better shag even when the sex remains CFS.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2983834]As recently as 2020, I did the same as you. I was 100% happy using condom. But now I'm old as dirt and I cannot finish in a condom. If in the room she insists on condom, it is frustrating for me and for her. It is a waste of my time and my money. Now I won't take anyone unless BBFSCIP is arranged in advance.[/QUOTE]I get the loss of sensation with age and that causing an issue with condoms. What I don't get is the need to cream pie.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2983783]Firstly, thanks EihTooms for your answer. Also wanted to give a shout out to HorseTrader, CCRider, and Aimless for their thoughts and input as well. I need to get my membership upgraded so I can ask questions directly if needed, and I also hope to contribute to this forum when possible. Maybe after I've been to BKK ten times or so over the years I can offer more actionable advice, until then it's just opinions and experiences.

Onto my short field report. Someone mentioned Stockings Massage here recently, and it sounded like it was worth a shot. The website, the one youtube video I could find, and the reviews on the web all seem to be favorable. My experience was lackluster, but here we go. I waltzed in up the stairs around 1 PM local time to reception where I was greeted with a price sheet. I was in the mood to just kinda get in and get out, so I chose the cheapest option which was 2100 baht for 40 minutes. This might have been my first mistake. Probably should have just payed a bit extra for the 60 minutes option, and not come off as a cheap charlie right out of the gate. I'm led up some more stairs and sit on a couch for the "lineup. " I can hear the mamasan waking up / summoning some women, and I hear two distinctive utterances, and low and behold only two women saunter up the stairs. Maybe coming early was my second mistake. Here's the good news, one was a strong 6, and the other was a strong 7, both very cute with good bodies. I chose the hotter one who had zero smile on her face, as opposed to her cute friend that was desperately smiling, and asking with her eyer "please pick me. " I suppose that was my third mistake..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the confirmation of Stockings Massage. Having not frequented a lot of massage places in my trips to Thailand I've been researching but didn't get a good feeling about the place looking at their website. It's human nature to tend toward the hotter of two choices, but for me I will take the smiling 6 any day over the pussy faced 7 or above. Nothing worse than mechanical go through the motions service. But like you said cheaper than door dash in USA. Got to love Thailand. If you run across really good massage shops please post. My trip in 4 weeks. Cheers.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2983830]If this is the first bar at the top of the stairs on your left 1 up from the ground level, then it is full of post op lady boys. It has been for years. The problem is they mix a few real girls in and it confuses some tourists. I always stay clear of that place. A client of mine got into a huge issue in there because he felt he was mislead by his girl. He actually refused to pay her in the hotel and we had to intervene.[/QUOTE]Wonderland gogo bar is the second bar on the left at the top of the escalator, right after Random 2, not on the other side of Nana Plaza at the top of the stairs.

I looked in at Wonderland gogo bar again a couple of nights ago. I honestly did not see one person in there who was not to my eyes rather obviously a ladyboy. That includes the door "girls", servers, mamasan, janitor, bartender, whoever. Maybe there was a natural born female or two way in the back of the bar that I could not see from the entrance. And when I asked at the door if these were all ladyboys I was bruskly shooed away by what might have been a mamasan, also a ladyboy, as though I had uttered some damaging bit of top secret intel. Whatever that was about.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2983831]I mostly never ever talk about this with the girls I meet in bars. It just naturally happens. I only bring it up on Thai Friendly and it always comes with an offer that most times is not refused.[/QUOTE]My recommendation was based on the assumption the OP was simply approaching a Freelancer on the street, in Thermae or after buying a bargirl a drink or two at the most. Essentially, getting to the critical question with as little confusion, muss, fuss, investment of time and money as possible.

I would say the method you have described employing to achieve a willing BBFSCIP lady for the night involves quite a few more elements that surely ought to "speak for themselves" in terms of settling the question of BBFSCIP Or Not in a way that I would also think wouldn't or shouldn't require asking the direct question upfront very often; settling into a particular bar and partying for extended periods of time, tips all around, scoping out which girl tells your "spidy sense" that she will very likely be amenable to having BBFSCIP with you anyway, many ladydrink purchases, therefore a logical conclusion that she is going to be quite drunk in the room and so on.

Isn't that pretty much how it goes and progresses? Forgive me if I have misstated it.

And, sure, the exact wording of the question or request wouldn't matter very much on a ThaiFriendly contact if the baht amount on offer was significant enough for her to enthusiastically jump in to smooth out any grammar or translation clumsiness that might exist, if any.

Haven't found many posts on Eastern European / Russian / Ukranian girls in this thread or the main Bangkok.

Sounds like Covid did away with most of them, but anyone with knowledge mind sharing an update? I see a few escorts on eurogirls but interested if there are SWs by Nana and Soi, or legit agencies? Yes I know they cost more, but still interested.

[QUOTE=CCRider1008;2983850]Thanks for the confirmation of Stockings Massage. Having not frequented a lot of massage places in my trips to Thailand I've been researching but didn't get a good feeling about the place looking at their website. It's human nature to tend toward the hotter of two choices, but for me I will take the smiling 6 any day over the pussy faced 7 or above. Nothing worse than mechanical go through the motions service. But like you said cheaper than door dash in USA. Got to love Thailand. If you run across really good massage shops please post. My trip in 4 weeks. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Many of the massage places list stockings as an option for an additional fee.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2983864]Wonderland gogo bar is the second bar on the left at the top of the escalator, right after Random 2, not on the other side of Nana Plaza at the top of the stairs.

I looked in at Wonderland gogo bar again a couple of nights ago. I honestly did not see one person in there who was not to my eyes rather obviously a ladyboy. That includes the door "girls", servers, mamasan, janitor, bartender, whoever. Maybe there was a natural born female or two way in the back of the bar that I could not see from the entrance. And when I asked at the door if these were all ladyboys I was bruskly shooed away by what might have been a mamasan, also a ladyboy, as though I had uttered some damaging bit of top secret intel. Whatever that was about.[/QUOTE]There are ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza and the staff there is not shy about advertising it and discussing it, and since all the bars there are under the control of Nana Entertainment, I can't think of any reason to lie. I've been to Wonderland specifically several times in my nightly walks (every night) along Sukhumvit and specifically asked if there are any ladyboys in Wonderland. Both times I was given a clear unequivocal "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " Further, my randy 30 year old very experienced monger buddy that lives here in Bangkok with me has pulled three girls out of Wonderland recently and has clearly confirmed they were all real girls. If anyone has any high quality evidence to the contrary then I'd sure like to hear about it. Cheers! A.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2983828]Just remember one thing. What they tell you about you being their first customer and bra bra bra. It's all fake. The girl I posted about on Soi 7 told me the same thing. # weeks in the business and I was her first customer. Bla blah blah. She performed like a pro. It was obvious she has worked before.[/QUOTE]If you're talking about girls in Thailand, I have zero expectations of finding an untouched girl here. I just would like one that isn't taken for a ride several times per night, every night, by other mongers. Its a mental thing with me since I can't compartmentalize as well as the rest of you guys. If you're refering to my experiences in the Phils, after dating over 100 girls there over the past 25 years (and living there) and having many (not all) in my bed, I've only paid two and they didn't claim to be untouched. All the others just wanted a BF and are smitten by westerners (very common there). And as a doc, I can clinically confirm that the ones (only a few) that told me they were untouched, were, including blood on the sheets. I no longer like that responsibility so I avoid them and they're usually quite boring. While I'm at it, I keep going to Soi 7 looking for a girl that meets my expecations looks-wise. I've seen maybe one in my nightly walks (every night) but everyone says I'm too picky. However, I must say, for really picky mongers like me, Nana Plaza really takes the cake. I've only spent serious time in Billboards and Red Dragon, but have come to realize if you want a body that can easily make it in a mens mag like PB or Pent, then Nana is your place. In the bars I've been to, I would say probably 75% of the girls have a body that is a 8/9/10 and 20% of the girls have faces that (to picky me) are 7/8/9 (out of 10). I haven't seen any other venue that comes close, but I have not been to any of the high end GClubs (I'm too cheap for now) where you guys say the hottest ones are, and certainly not Soi Cowboy (a dog show in my opinion, except for the occasional cutie), although Crazy House has a few lookers as I stated in a past report. Just my opinions. Cheers, A.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2983848]I get the loss of sensation with age and that causing an issue with condoms. What I don't get is the need to cream pie.[/QUOTE]Some of us like that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow as finishing the deed with that grand finale is the reward for a job well done, esp without a partyhat. So I feel the need as well and haven't used a condom in decades (but I'm a poser and not a real monger). If you don't mind repeating with a temporary "GF" that you're spending time with (as opposed to pulling 3 different girls every day), you can always go to a doc and get both tested for the usual suspects. If she's a pro and been getting busy with other guys doing BBFS then chances are she will test positive for something if she's not doing the weekly test routine. This is my recipe in the Phils with part-timers and non-pros, and then we both rest easy knowing that we're probably ok with BBFSCIP. And CIP or not doesn't change the risk of anything including pregnancy. My favorite "joke" is "Know what they call people that practice 'poke and pull'"? "No, what?" "Parents! LOL". Just keep in mind that the risk remains for HSV and HPV (even with a condom) but those won't unalive you unless you DATY, but that's a whole 'nother story. Cheers, A.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2983812]Really, if you can elevate your game to these university dorm girls. But first you got to get past the gatekeeper to be able live with girls in their dorm. What I do is sign up for English classes. Pretend I don't understand the language. Me speaky no gud Engrish. Then I draw the attention to me by being the best student in the class and ready to tutor some of these girls. Even do their homework for them which is a breeze for me. They happy. Me happy. We fuck. Most are ready and available for that SD / SB life if you are a decent looking distinguished gentleman like myself. But the annoying thing is these girls aren't as clean as the pros. They don't want to shower before and after the deed.

Immature brats! LOL.

[/QUOTE]Like Joey, the italian prince: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQCbds8hsc[/URL].