Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Nick5252;2781883]I purchase a iPhone 11 (cheap) a while back. So I always travel with two phones when visiting foreign countries. I keep the main one at hotel / airbnb (newest iPhone) and just walk around with the 11 (wouldn't care that much if someone steals it) I use google fi esim function and terminate service when I arrive back in the states. Esim saves the hassle in going to a cell store in a foreign country. But yes, make sure your phone is unlock. Also, not sure on android but iPhone can have 2 lines active for the ones that travels with just one phone.[/QUOTE]Could you share info on what company you use. I am sort of Familiar with the e sim I use it as my main sim back home and was able to get a physical sim to use simultaneously while in Thailand but I didn't know you could get an esim in a foreign country as well?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2781795]No matter where you get your SIM make sure you go to the service provider (Claro, etc.) and have it registered properly (if you bought it from a company store they would do that when they first install it) Otherwise that phone will be locked out after 30 days, and the lock is on the IME of the phone, so you will never be able to use it in Colombia again.

Happened to me. You may be able to get that lock removed on a subsequent trip, but you can only do that by going back to the original provider, with the phone number, passport, etc. Took me a couple of days.[/QUOTE]Thanks this is very useful information and potentially saved me a huge headache. Appreciated.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2781770]Cash: If you have to exchange cash. You can exchange some at the airport. Like others have said, ATM will be better.

SIM card:

There used to be a place similar to a bookstore or something on the second floor that you can get SIM card in the airport . You have to ask because it may not be on display. You can kill sometime while trying to find it but I don't know if it is still there.

Once you are in the city, if it is still early and you want to kill some time. Go to Botero Plaza to sightseeing. There is a WOM store by the white church Veracruz. They usually have staff that can speak English. You can pay 20 mil for 30 days or whatever days you need for less cost, but you need to have your passport with you. This will register your phone in their system so it won't be locked after 30 days. The official stores like this are more like full service and stores of this provider usually are less busy. The other providers often have longer lines I think because they offer more services

There is a cafe that is part of the museum. You can order something and sit on the patio to people watch if you have time to kill.

There are many neighborhood stores that sell SIM. These are like the airport one, and they may be able to help you setup SIM card and put data in your SIM.

Then there are street vendors. Yo can only buy SIM which is normally 5 mil but you can get it for 3 mil in some places. You need to go to GANA to show your phone number and name of the provider to put data on the phone. I think the least expensive plan is 5 mil. GANA is everywhere so you won't miss it.

Pictures:

The for sale sign next to the 000 is the WOM store location. You can see the white Veracruz church to the left.

You can kill more time to have lunch at the restaurant across from the white church. You can see all the actions from the patio, bring your binoculars. This picture is old. It now has a glass walkway.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the very detailed post!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782442]I just got back from 8 days in Medellin and want to share my experiences with dating, semipros, casas and strip clubs. It helps me put my thoughts down as I process things and hopefully can be helpful to all of you who want current intel. I'm going to start off with the more straight-up P4 P casas, strip clubs, and photoprepagos girl as that's relatively easy to chronicle.

I visited a number of Centro casas with another member who I've known for a while including Zandaly, Sexy Amigas, Dulce Compania, New Life and Aiffe. I also went to Ellas Erotic in Luareles and visited Cristal a PSE photoprepagos provider I'd seen before.

In terms of Centro casas, Zandaly was by far my favorite. The girls there were thinner and more to my taste and there are a couple that have nice faces too. I tried a couple providers a tall dark Venezualan called Charlotte and a whiter girl called Andrea. Both of them gave good service with uncovered CIM etc for extra. Zandaly's was also the cheapest spot covering 55 k for half an hour 50 k bbj and 20 k CIM. Both girls I saw were borderline GFE with open-mouth kissing and caressing. Charlotte was able to deepthroat me and let me face fuck her a bit. My friend and I went three times and we ended up getting to know and talking to the manager a bit as we both speak Spanish. They have a VIP room you can take girls into to talk to them which is free of cost. It also has natural light so you can see facial or body flaws better. The rooms are standard but there is a nicer one on the main floor. My buddy had a good connection with one of the girls and ended up paying her 400 k to go to La Piscina swingers club with him another night.

I visited Sexy Amigas, Dulce Compania, New Life, and AIffe each once and was less impressed. New Life has a lot of girls and a couple ok looking ones but they were worse than Zandaly's talent in my opinion so I just paid the 3 k viewer fee and left. Dulce Compania looked like it had nice facilities and was full of Colombians. But the girls were all thick to downright fat so I left. Most of the girls were heavier at Dulce Compania too (there were only four the time we visited). Finally, Aiffe is downright scary. It looked like at least two of the girls were almost crying when they did the presentation and the manager looked like a bona fide pimp. Those are not things that enhance a casa experience, for me at least. The other casas also charge more than Zandaly (60 k to 80 k if my memory serves).

In terms of strip clubs, I went to the Hilton Grill, which is a local spot my friend was a big fan of. He had some luck with a dancer there that we hung out with. I'm not a big fan of the strip club model in Medellin or generally (though I've had some fun at Mexican strip clubs), but I decided to give it a shot with my friend and spent a night there. We ordered a bottle of Ron Caldas and a couple of drinks for his girl he already knew and a good-looking, slim white paisa from Bello for me and spent a couple of hours talking and listening to the music. The culture here seems to be that they hang out and talk but don't sit on your lap or do crazy things as much as my experience in Mexico. Drinks were pretty reasonable (7 k for beers for girls) and the bottle we split was 100 k. I didn't have much of a connection with the girl, which normally would cause me to send her off, but my buddy told me that it had taken him a while to win over his amiga so I kept her around. So I figured what the hell, its pretty cheap why not see where things go. After a couple hours hanging out, I took my girl to the back for 80 k and gave her 20 k more for BBBJ. She gave me a selfish hot girl sort of performance where we fucked a bunch in the positions she wanted. She was touching herself while we fucked and seemed to be enjoying herself but was less attentive to me. Did some BBBJ but not a load. I have issues cumming sometimes, especially if I feel things are off so I didn't cum. She did offer uncovered sex but I declined (not going to do that with a cheap stripper). Anyway, she seemed pissed at the end of the night that I hadn't cum. It probably punctured her image of herself as hot shit. Anyway, all this reinforced my poor impression of strip clubs even though I know some of you are into them. I've been to three now in Medellin (Conejitas and Barra Executiva) and they are not for me. The normal fee to take a girl to the back at Hilton Grill is 70 k by the way but my girl was apparently the top earner in the club so she charged a little more. The rooms are pretty low-end.

I also tried a higher end casa Ellas Erotic in Luareles. They have a couple of locations one of which is near the church of the Americas and is 5 minutes from where I was staying in Santa Monica. It's definitely a bit more upscale than the Centro spots but I'd also recommend it, rough edges and implementation aside. They have a website [URL]https://ellaserotic.com/[/URL] which lists the girls in their two locations and their extras. They cover 80 k half hour and 140 k for the hour. You send a WhatsApp and make an appointment with the chica you want to see. I found the whole website and system to be clunky and confusing, especially with the two locations. The girl's names aren't listed on the main page (you have to click on photos). I asked who was available the day I went and it was hard to quickly settle on a choice given the two locations and lack of names on the landing page. Because of these issues, I ended up booking a girl at the wrong location. Luckily they were willing to give me a lineup when I arrived at the Americas location. The facilities are definitely more upscale and the girls were generally a bit hotter as well. I ended up going for an hour with Zoe. She is a cute morena clara with a nice tight body and is studying business. I had a pleasant hour with her and we had sex for most of the hour. We hit it off well and seemed to have a good connection as I made her laugh repeatedly. I asked her to show me the craziest positions she knew and we invented a few together as well. She has anal and BBBJ as extras. She wouldn't do anal with me due to my size / thickness but she said she does it with most guys. Definitely a pro but in a good way. She'd punch my arm when I teased her and made her laugh and accuse me of making her look unprofessional / abandon her image and decor.

Finally, I mentioned Cristal from Photoprepagos before. I still highly recommend her as she's the most PSE pro I've been with in Medellin. She charged me her grandfathered rate of 200 k for a PSE hour, though apparently, prices are going up. Did anal with her and you can face fuck her like in a porno (with the sound and all). She does CIM and Cum on her face and likes you to smack her in the face with your dick. She also talks really dirty to you if you ask. She's no longer the freakiest girl I met in Medellin (more to come in the second part), but is close. I tried to invite her to La Piscina (the biggest swinger club in town) and she was very enthusiastic when I saw her in person. She even said she'd love to come with a friend of mine who'd gone with me before and she'd eat her out. But when it actually came time to take details and set it up she seemed to chicken out. I think she's most comfortable in her work apartment vs. Outside of her apartment in Laureles. She told me a bit more about her other business and her life outside escorting this time, which was interesting. I could probably easily develop a borderline friendship, as far as clients go, with her if I invested the time.

Overall, the only bad experience I had was at the Hilton grill with the stripper. Everything else was great. I do recommend talking with a chica you are interested in a bit before pulling the trigger (especially if you speak Spanish) as that gives you a hint of how things will go down. It's usually worth bailing if you don't feel there is much of a connection between you.[/QUOTE]Thanks I very much enjoyed reading your post and really looking forward to post two and who the freakiest girl in MDE is. I def into trying a PSE session or two.

Is the he Cristal you referenced?

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/exquisita-y-rica-dama-te-hara-temblar-de-placer-id-7td2e[/URL]

I'm also really into nonpros and semipros as I've written about and have previously written about some of those experiences. I primarily use Facebook but have also started to use Instagram and tinder a bit. I've written about some of my methods for finding nonpros and semipros in previous posts on Facebook. I don't bother with paid services like Seeking or Colombian Cupid as Facebook has generally been a good source of girls for me. For safety my advise is always to chat as extensively with girls as possible and ask for social media (if you meet them on tinder) as well as about jobs, studying, barrio etc.

Now, my primary goal (this is my 5th trip) has been to develop a stable core of girls I can see in the future. I've developed what I consider deep connections with four or five girls in the past but its been hard to keep things up in the past due to emotional issues (primarily the fact I'm married and in an open relationship) or money issues as I'm not especially interested in sending money to girls when I'm not there. These past girls are all nonpros or at least did not charge me money upfront for sex. Of course, the lines here are quite blurred. I had issues this trip, for example, with a girl I'd seen in July who I'd had a great time with. She went to Las Piscinas with my in July and we had some crazy sex together. This time, she had just come home from a vacation and flaked on me a couple times. The timing may have been bad, but the flaking wasn't cool in my book. This girl is webcam, onlyfans and dates guys as a semipro but she'd been clear with me in the past that we were true friends and she didn't want any money from me. I was also minorly in love with a webcam girl I met in last January who had feelings for me as well but we ended up clashing and fighting due to those emotional issues. I have started rethinking issues surrounding money and may send small amounts of money randomly, for birthdays or special occasions. It seems like a good way of showing affection and fitting the local culture. Ultimately I think investing a little money could be worth it if I can maintain the sorts of connections I want. There are also some great semipros out there and I may focus more on some of them.

I set up concrete dates with eight girls, went out with six girls, and ended up sleeping with three of them. I found the girls on Facebook and one from tinder using criteria for semi to nonpros I've previously written about. I enjoyed the dates generally as I picked out restaurants I would have liked to eat at anyway and places I wanted to visit. I'd generally offer up a potential second part to the date if I enjoyed the girls company. On all of the occasions, I felt there was good chemistry I had no trouble inviting a girl back to my place after that first date.

Now in terms of dating there are a few things to watch out for. 1) There are a number of flaky girls. You will probably have some ditch plans with you. There were a few girls I wanted to see that I never managed to make concrete plans with and a couple who made plans with me and bailed on those plans due to weather, being scared or other issues.

2) There are girls that are interested but scared of seeing you. I did have lunch at Mayorca mall with an 18 year I'd been chatting with who worked there to reassure her. She still chickened out of a second date despite being affectionate when I saw her. I've had similar issues in the past. I'd also say past good dates don't guarantee you'll see a girl in the future. I had a great date with a girl I met in July who was begging me to come to my apartment that last trip. Either she was genuinely busy or significantly cooled to me this time. I'd write off any girls that are unsure or seem like they'd chicken out due to the wealth of options out there.

3) there is a class of girl that is looking to make gringo friends to take her out on your dime. I'm agnostic about this. I don't mind making platonic friends if the girl is genuinely cool. For example, I went out with a strata 5 law student this trip who speaks English fluently and told me a lot of interesting things about Medellin. She was so interested I'd be happy to take her out again as I know I'd learn more about the city, culture and possibly go places I didn't know about with her. These girls can also be useful local connections as well. I've known another girl since July who has taken me to some cool spots and helped me set up a tooth cleaning and find different things in the city. However, I'm not interested in making loads of those sorts of friendships. I also went out with another girl like that (costena) I met on tinder for coffee who was at least a cheap date. She was nice enough but no clear chemistry. I played up the body language game touching her arm, shoulders, brushing her hair etc and even asked her about things but didn't get a great response from her. But conversation and company for 10 am coffee weren't bad for the price of taxis and a cup of coffee.

4) Finally there are some semipros who will just assume you know that they want money without asking for it. This is not a bad thing necessarily unless you are expressly avoiding paid sex. These tend to be younger and poorer girls. You should easily be able to figure this out, though, when you talk to them either in person or over chat. If you are trying to avoid paid sex, I'd talk about how you prefer "sexo con atracion mutuo" vs. "sexo pagado" and see what their reactions are. I did have a funny issue this trip with a girl I met where I forgot to have that conversation. She was 18 years old and tiny (like 4 feet tall) but cute and she was from a very poor / troubled background in Manrique. I took her out to eat (paid taxis etc) and at the end of the meal she asked me if I wanted to take her to my place. She was cute enough so I thought why not though I didn't think hard about how much money I had on me. Anyway, she was very affectionate with me the whole time and we had great sex. Everything was very GFE. Lots of making out, groping in the shower, and a couple of rounds of sex in different positions. She was more the romantic / affectionate than wild type. At the end of the date after we were getting the taxi at the door she asked if I was going to give her anything. I had 100 k in my wallet, which I gave her. Afterward, I got messages about how she wasn't a "puta barrata" and such, which was kind of funny (I guess she thought of herself as a puta carra). Luckily no issues, though. But I could have avoided issues if I'd been more careful talking about sex beforehand. I also clearly told her that she should tell gringos she was looking for money for sex, especially if they took her out to eat vs. Asking her to come to their apartments. I think we ended on ok terms and maybe she learned a valuable lesson. It's funny because she told me the only person she'd ever have unpaid sex with would be a boyfriend. I think this is a widespread attitude, especially among poorer and younger girls. I do think we had some genuine chemistry, or she was an amazing actress, as the sex was good and naturally flowing.

5) There are some genuinely sweet girls out there who are not interesada (gold diggers) at all. I went out with a girl I'd talked to on Facebook who was super sweet with me and very cool about money issues, especially for a Colombian. She paid for her own taxi to the date at a Peruvian restaurant in Laureles. She paid for our metro fares around the city as we went up to the Parque Arvi line afterward. Those sort of little gestures are a huge positive sign for me that I'm not dealing with an interesada. There was also lots of hand-holding and hugging from the beginning of our date and she made sweet gestures like giving me an earbud to listen to music and offering me use of her phone's hotspot when I was having internet issues. After going up the cable car and back, I offered for her to hang out at my place and had sex with her. She was pretty kinky / wild. She knew how to deepthroat and did CIM with swallow and told me about a lot of crazy sexual things she tried in the past. Her pictures were better looking than in person (which is another issue you commonly run into). But I think her sweetness and energy more than made up for that. She didn't want and I didn't offer any money to her. Her family owned a big pizza spot in Manrique and she was relatively well off. I only ended up being able to see her once. I think she was a bit off put by the fact I was married as well (something I thought I'd told her in chat but that seems to have only come out after we had sex).

6) The last girl I met was the best girl I met on this trip and someone I'd keep in touch with. She ended up being that "the me lo que quieres" type which we talked about quite explicitly and at length as I got to know her better. However, I'm more than happy to give this girl a little money because she ended up being one of the freakiest women I've met in my life (not just Colombia) and we had great energy and chemistry together. She is a light-skinned morena with straight her, a decent but not incredible face but a smoking body. I wouldn't have taken her for a freak as her pictures on her Facebook are quite conservative. I'd chatted with her since July and she has a boyfriend, which weirded me out a bit as I was worried I might have some Colombian guy after me if I saw her. However, it seems she is in some sort of open relationship and her boyfriend is ok with her fucking other guys, which I realize is also not so uncommon, especially in the pro-to-semipro realm. Anyway, I decided to have a beer on la 70 with her when I had a free moment because we'd been chatting so long and she'd been saying she wanted to see me. But I had no expectations of actually fucking her. We talked about a lot of things and our conversation turned to things like our craziest sexual experiences. I told her about how I enjoyed the swinger club here in Medellin and it became clear she'd never gone but was interested in the experience. She also made it clear to me that she was very open-minded sexually and liked having sex, so I thought why not and took her back to my apartment (I actually flaked on another girl I was planning to see). Anyway, after a few drinks and more talking we got to sex. I found out quickly she was into being dominated and degraded. She asked me to choke her and spit on her face while we were having sex and got off on me cumming on her face and begging for my leche. I gave her 200 k and paid for her taxis, which she was happy with.

On my last night in Medellin, I took her out again to tres cordilleras brewery where there was a cover band playing rock when we came, and afterwards took her to La Piscina. I've been to La Piscina once before with another open-minded girl and had a lot of fun (to the point where I've recommended it as one of my favorite spots in the city). This girl took to the swingers club like a duck to water. She was dancing on me naked in no time, sucking me off in front of everyone, and fucking in the jacuzzi like a natural. She also was intrigued by the BDSM room and asked for me to fuck her in the stockade they had there (which was cool in theory but kind of hard in practice given our body types / sizes). We also had sex in the smoking room next to my buddy and his girl. The craziest part, though is when we found a quiet place for me to cum (as fucking in front of people makes it harder for me to cum). She was masturbating as I jerked off on her face and squirted all over my leg as I came. We were also approached by a girl who was looking to swap or I think get at me. I let my girl deal with her, as I think that's the gentlemanly thing to do given the situation. They danced on each other a bit but it was my girl's judgment that she wasn't hot enough to do anything with. Piscinas had about 30 or 40 couples there when we were there and there were plenty of girls stripping, a couple of couples that fucked on stage, and a couple of girls that fucked each other on stage. It remains one of my favorite places to go, with a freaky girl of course. My buddy's girl was less comfortable with the environment and he didn't have nearly as good of a time as the two of us. I gave this girl another 200 k after we had gone out and had been fucking in Las Piscinas for four hours straight. The lines here are way blurrier around money than in other spots. I felt like we had really great chemistry and mutual attraction making the sex and companionship as good or better than any nonpro I've been with (she squirted on me after all jajaja). So I'd be more than happy to give her a bit of money when we see each other next time I'm in Medellin.

Overall, I'm starting to think that good semipros may be a better long-term way of developing a stable of girls than nonpros, though I'm still happy to fuck nonpros. I'd suggest that you should focus on more middle and upper-class types if you want true nonpros. Also clearly discuss sex and money issues in person on your date or in chats. Most girls are open and / or fine with those sorts of discussions about what they expect (I. E. Money for sex). You can pretty much get everything you'd get sexually with a nonpro from a semipro as well. The only thing that may be lacking is the rush that comes when deep feelings are present. Nonpros I've met in the past, especially the poorer ones tend to be waiting for you to show affection by sending a little money or helping them out financially in a jam. So the differences are more nuanced than one might think.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2782401]A Contrasena is a temporary ID issued by the Government that can be obtained and used by a Colombian while waiting for a Cedula.
It has a photograph of the individual, their Cedula number, along with having an expiration date on it.
The Contrasena will be accepted in lieu of a Cedula, however cannot be used for airline travel.[/QUOTE]The Contrasena will NOT be accepted in lieu of a Cedula in ALL places. Firsthand knowledge: San Peter will not allow chica with contrasena to enter the building.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2782468]The Contrasena will NOT be accepted in lieu of a Cedula in ALL places. Firsthand knowledge: San Peter will not allow chica with contrasena to enter the building.[/QUOTE]Or even hardly any places. My girlfriend left her ID at the bus station in Valledupar when she went to Medellin to look for a job. I went to visit and stayed at the San Peter. They would not let her in with that picture bullshit. I cursed her out and asked her how she even thought that could be a thing. She claimed the people thought she was a hooker. I said no because a friend of mine came over once and I wanted to show him the place but they would not let him in either because he did not have ID with him.

She did not last long in Medellin. She was staying up high in the hood with her cousin who is a nurse. She said she could not take living in those barrio conditions. When we went to her cousin's place it felt like the taxi was about to pop a wheelie with those steep inclines.

After we got there she wanted to go smoke some weed. We went crossing a river, past a play ground, and back into some woods and she bought a blunt from some guy there. She gave him a 20 and he was supposed to bring her some chage back. He never came back. I was like he ain't going nowhere; you can get it from him next time. It was pitch black dark but the view was amazing.

We walked back to the apartment and I had the munchies like a mf. I saw a store with an ice cream cooler in the distance. I said I am going to be mad as hell if that shit is a mirage or if it is empty when we get there. It was real though and I bought the three of us ice cream.

We went back to the section where her cousin lives and stood out eating our ice creams. I kept taking my phone out to take some nice pictures that I imagined. Her cousin kept telling me to keep my phone in my pocket before I get robbed. I said what the fuck are we doing standing out here eating ice cream if it is so damn dangerous. She claimed we would not get rob if they could not visibly see anything to rob us for.

I finally called an Uber to get the hell out of there. The street was so narrow and inclined that it took the Uber like 20 minutes to turn the car around. He was sweating like a mf and I was ducked down. I think he finally just ended up going in reverse to the next intersection where he could turn it around. They had told me to get in the car and don't look back. LOL.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2782454]Thanks I very much enjoyed reading your post and really looking forward to post two and who the freakiest girl in MDE is. I def into trying a PSE session or two.

Is the he Cristal you referenced?

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/exquisita-y-rica-dama-te-hara-temblar-de-placer-id-7td2e[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes. That's her.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782442]
I also tried a higher end casa Ellas Erotic in Luareles. They have a couple of locations one of which is near the church of the Americas and is 5 minutes from where I was staying in Santa Monica. It's definitely a bit more upscale than the Centro spots but I'd also recommend it, rough edges and implementation aside. They have a website [URL]https://ellaserotic.com/[/URL] which lists the girls in their two locations and their extras. They cover 80 k half hour and 140 k for the hour. You send a WhatsApp and make an appointment with the chica you want to see. I found the whole website and system to be clunky and confusing, especially with the two locations. The girl's names aren't listed on the main page (you have to click on photos). I asked who was available the day I went and it was hard to quickly settle on a choice given the two locations and lack of names on the landing page. Because of these issues, I ended up booking a girl at the wrong location. Luckily they were willing to give me a lineup when I arrived at the Americas location. The facilities are definitely more upscale and the girls were generally a bit hotter as well. I ended up going for an hour with Zoe. She is a cute morena clara with a nice tight body and is studying business. I had a pleasant hour with her and we had sex for most of the hour. We hit it off well and seemed to have a good connection as I made her laugh repeatedly. I asked her to show me the craziest positions she knew and we invented a few together as well. She has anal and BBBJ as extras. She wouldn't do anal with me due to my size / thickness but she said she does it with most guys. Definitely a pro but in a good way. She'd punch my arm when I teased her and made her laugh and accuse me of making her look unprofessional / abandon her image and decor.
[/QUOTE]Very nice report, Thanks a lot for sharing the details.

I would love to expand my knowledge of casa in laureles. Sometimes going to centro seems like a bad option. Is Ellas Erotic close to Energy Spa? Are they usually not inclined to show you the line up And how much extra you had to pay for kissing, BBBJ etc?

Thanks for a wonderful report. Haven't seen one like this for a long time.

Is it generally safe to visit the prepagos in their apartments?

[QUOTE=MarcoReyes;2782422]Hey guys, this is my first post but I've been a long time reader of this thread. I have traveled to Medellin about 4 times in the past two and a half years and have found some decent success. I find myself now looking to expand into other ways of getting girls and building up a solid roster I am completely happy with. I've tried online escorts (mileroticos, pasionprepago and photoprepagos), Seeking, Tinder and now trying the FaceBook game. Here is some of the things I've experienced and learned about, ranging from the order of my most used methods to least used. This is only my personal experience and you're allowed to share a different perspective to educate myself and others:

Online: Pasion prepagos Medellin (search in google) is probably the most reliable website I use, photoprepagos being next with Mileroticos last but probably will find cheaper girls who are more flexible. Online is my PRIMARY way of hooking up with girls here because of how easy it is to contact the girls from WhatsApp and plan a date. The pros are that you get lots of variety and can make a list of girls you're interested in quick. Also, if there is chemistry with a girl you can have a really great time with a hot girl for very good prices by US dollar standards. The cons is that it is sometimes very hit or miss. You will get the service but some girls can rush, some might not get too into it, some might not do things you want so it is important to establish clarity before the meeting. It is also really taboo to ask for pics from these working girls, they'll usually redirect you to their ad even when they actually do look like their pics, I assume is for safety / privacy reasons. Even though some of the pics might hide some stuff, I've felt that I haven't gotten catfished too bad. These chicks are also all about the money and the really good ones can be very difficult to set up a date with, sometimes other girls will have you come to their casa and they hook you up with a different girl smh. I am fluent in Spanish so they never get to play games with me but it is very frustrating when you're really horny so beware of that and tried to confirm for sure that the session will be ONLY with the chick you're talking to. Overall I want to grow away from online escorts for girls who are less transactional, more consistent and with less direct competition for their time.

Seeking: I tried seeking and I was surprised by the amount of attention I got, for any guy with decent pics its a gold mine for attracting. Going through with dates / lays is another story though. There are different types of girls on seeking, most popular are working girls in disguise for more money & higher quality men than paisa men and also spoiled girls who are trying to get as much money as possible from foreigners in USD, trips or experiences. I found that my best strategy is funnel the massive amounts of leads to WhatsApp and figure out the girls I'll go out with from there. It's a cool process but you later find out it can be long tedious work. Pros: Girls are hot, lots of variety and girls usually answer reply at high rates, you can also ask for pics. There might be some non working girls who are new to this and if you get them to like you it CAN be way worth the $100. I still fuck with a girl I met from my first trip using Seeking, she used it to meet higher status guys while she was having some issues with her husband. I don't totally condone this but it took a while to get her comfortable enough to meet and get in bed, she is very appreciative / not high maintenance at all and until this day whenever I come back in town she makes time and effort to meet up and do everything bareback. She deleted seeking but did webcam for some time and is now doing normal work.

The cons: not every chick is like this, I'll say the majority will try to maximize the amount of money and experiences they can get from you shamelessly and will be already talking to a bunch of guys looking to do the same. I went on lots of dates my previous trips and I noticed I spent so much time vetting and planning for some of these girls to take them out on a date, that ended up a bit expensive anyway and for me to end up paying 300 k for mediocre sex smh. I realized towards the end of the trip that it was better for my mental health and time efficiency to just get escorts online because at least these girls know they're there to fuck, the vetting process is way less time consuming and they're not out here asking for phones and rent a few days into meeting you. The worst thing as a guy is investing so much time, money and energy on a chick who you think is just hot and the sex ends up being mediocre and the whole time you're thinking, I should of just hit up Mia for some proper hot 200 k sex for an hour and be happy the rest of the day 😂. Some girls are glorified expensive working girls. If you have lots of money to spend is probably your best option though, you can meet some hot young spoiled girls. I have a lot of numbers and decent girls from my previous trips using seeking but I only actively repeat with the girl I mentioned earlier and one other short red haired tiny chica who probably gives one of the best heads but quotes me 300 k / HR + taxi every time. I think she is just a working girl through seeking but is a bit too transactional despite being punctual and is getting older and chubbier lately. I don't think I will use seeking for this trip because of the time consuming nature of it but have contacts for some girls that I didn't meet last time. Now I will approach it with way less time investment and energy. All the leads you get can from seeking can be overwhelming and I did not spend as much time being present in the moment my last trip using seeking, I was constantly on my phone looking for the next hot girl who might be cool LOL. P.S. : I strongly believe there is just as many girls who are hot here in Medellin and don't know how far their hotness can take them so I am mostly look for these type of girls.

Tinder: I've only met one girl from here and it was cool but it wasn't worth it. She was a "church girl" but she got me weed, she gave me head but I didn't end up sleeping with her at the end. Tinder just doesn't work for me at all and I'm heavily turned off by the horror stories I hear from there.

FaceBook game: Brand new to this, made an account a week prior to coming but having very limited success so far. From what I heard it has huge potential and I would appreciate some advice on how I can leverage this account to get more lowkey normal or semi pro girls. I have a pro camera that I use for video content back home so all my pics are decent but I still struggle to get some replies and accepted requests. I currently have 49 friends. I've looked through this thread but haven't found much on the things I can post to have some sort of engagement in my profile and not appear as a bot. I added people using the chicacheck website and added some of the good reviewed girls friends but maybe there's more I can do? If anyone wants to connect and share some contacts or advice etc direct message me here or on FaceBook where I have the same name as here + it says I'm from Tampa, FL and born in Medellin.

Street / Casas / brothels: Have only gone to one in Centro and was not very impressed at that time of day. It was also a quick stop and I had no intentions of getting with a girl. I think there is potential here to get some proper sluts for a low price which I am very in favor of but I am not willing to do this by myself. If anyone wants to adventure out, have a good time and check out some of the popular places on here together DM me, I am open to exploring more during this trip.

Day game: Only did day game once here but the quality of the girls you approach is much higher than online for obvious reasons. I mostly talk to girls doing normal jobs and have had success considering how little I've done it. I am open to doing more of this during this trip.

Overall this trip:

I find myself in a unique position where I have a father that lives and does business here so I am staying for over a month this time around and I'm able to stay at any hotel I want because I am not tied down to one place that I'm already paying for. I am a fluent Spanish speaker, I know a few of older locals through family (they're always working, no money + time) and will like to meet other mongers to have fun, introduce and meet girls. My goal this trip is to create so much value on my FB page from hanging out and going to cool places that I have inbound girls in the DM's that are comfortable enough to hang out, and then later build out a solid roster with attractive non pro and semi pro girls that I get from FB, day game etc. Using these consistent properly vetted girls I want to meet with other ambitious mongers (LOL) and see if we can host fun private parties and shit (nothing crazy), maybe create some content for some of these girls for some extended play time. I know a few places that aren't too expensive and with the right girls, can be a fucking blast! These are all ideas and I am open to sharing what I've learned during my trips and hearing criticism. I barely drink alcohol and smoke weed during the night sometimes just to sleep and fuck mostly, but I am not judgmental as long as you don't let any of that shit negatively affect yourself and others. I have hella game, can communicate well and can figure out suspicious situations / people so hit me up if you want to kick it one of these days and want to wander a little more comfortable during your stay. I am staying until the 20th of February. I can expand on some of my points with more information to whoever is curious on here and responds to this thread. I will do some more reports throughout my trips hopefully some of you guys get some value from them![/QUOTE]

I spent about 40 days between Nov'22 & Jan'23 in Medellin. I was mostly repeating with casas in Centro, especially New Life and Zandaly. On holidays, it seems only New life is an option. On Jan9th holiday, Zandaly, Amigas sexy, Dulce, Aifle are all closed.

Prices as of Jan'23: Aifle 55/30 90/60. Zandaly 85/60. New life 60/30 +20 k for each additional 15 min.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2782446]You are right. He is not really wrong if he had qualified with the word [B]some popular[/B]. They were finding girls in the wrong place[/QUOTE]That's a very good point. A girl that's been in this game a while (and become well-known among the gringo crowd on FB or SA) might feel emboldened to hold out for a higher rate. I don't want that girl. The newer girls are generally a better experience.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782466]I'm also really into nonpros and semipros as I've written about and have previously written about some of those experiences. I primarily use Facebook but have also started to use Instagram and tinder a bit. I've written about some of my methods for finding nonpros and semipros in previous posts on Facebook. I don't bother with paid services like Seeking or Colombian Cupid as Facebook has generally been a good source of girls for me. For safety my advise is always to chat as extensively with girls as possible and ask for social media (if you meet them on tinder) as well as about jobs, studying, barrio etc.

Now, my primary goal (this is my 5th trip) has been to develop a stable core of girls I can see in the future. I've developed what I consider deep connections with four or five girls in the past but its been hard to keep things up in the past due to emotional issues (primarily the fact I'm married and in an open relationship) or money issues as I'm not especially interested in sending money to girls when I'm not there. These past girls are all nonpros or at least did not charge me money upfront for sex. Of course, the lines here are quite blurred. I had issues this trip, for example, with a girl I'd seen in July who I'd had a great time with. She went to Las Piscinas with my in July and we had some crazy sex together. This time, she had just come home from a vacation and flaked on me a couple times. The timing may have been bad, but the flaking wasn't cool in my book. This girl is webcam, onlyfans and dates guys as a semipro but she'd been clear with me in the past that we were true friends and she didn't want any money from me. I was also minorly in love with a webcam girl I met in last January who had feelings for me as well but we ended up clashing and fighting due to those emotional issues. I have started rethinking issues surrounding money and may send small amounts of money randomly, for birthdays or special occasions. It seems like a good way of showing affection and fitting the local culture. Ultimately I think investing a little money could be worth it if I can maintain the sorts of connections I want. There are also some great semipros out there and I may focus more on some of them.

I set up concrete dates with eight girls, went out with six girls, and ended up sleeping with three of them. I found the girls on Facebook and one from tinder using criteria for semi to nonpros I've previously written about. I enjoyed the dates generally as I picked out restaurants I would have liked to eat at anyway and places I wanted to visit. I'd generally offer up a potential second part to the date if I enjoyed the girls company. On all of the occasions, I felt there was good chemistry I had no trouble inviting a girl back to my place after that first date.

Now in terms of dating there are a few things to watch out for. 1) There are a number of flaky girls. You will probably have some ditch plans with you. There were a few girls I wanted to see that I never managed to make concrete plans with and a couple who made plans with me and bailed on those plans due to weather, being scared or other issues.

2) There are girls that are interested but scared of seeing you. I did have lunch at Mayorca mall with an 18 year I'd been chatting with who worked there to reassure her. She still chickened out of a second date despite being affectionate when I saw her. I've had similar issues in the past. I'd also say past good dates don't guarantee you'll see a girl in the future. I had a great date with a girl I met in July who was begging me to come to my apartment that last trip. Either she was genuinely busy or significantly cooled to me this time. I'd write off any girls that are unsure or seem like they'd chicken out due to the wealth of options out there.

3) there is a class of girl that is looking to make gringo friends to take her out on your dime. I'm agnostic about this. I don't mind making platonic friends if the girl is genuinely cool. For example, I went out with a strata 5 law student this trip who speaks English fluently and told me a lot of interesting things about Medellin. She was so interested I'd be happy to take her out again as I know I'd learn more about the city, culture and possibly go places I didn't know about with her. These girls can also be useful local connections as well. I've known another girl since July who has taken me to some cool spots and helped me set up a tooth cleaning and find different things in the city. However, I'm not interested in making loads of those sorts of friendships. I also went out with another girl like that (costena) I met on tinder for coffee who was at least a cheap date. She was nice enough but no clear chemistry. I played up the body language game touching her arm, shoulders, brushing her hair etc and even asked her about things but didn't get a great response from her. But conversation and company for 10 am coffee weren't bad for the price of taxis and a cup of coffee.

4) Finally there are some semipros who will just assume you know that they want money without asking for it. This is not a bad thing necessarily unless you are expressly avoiding paid sex. These tend to be younger and poorer girls. You should easily be able to figure this out, though, when you talk to them either in person or over chat. If you are trying to avoid paid sex, I'd talk about how you prefer "sexo con atracion mutuo" vs. "sexo pagado" and see what their reactions are. I did have a funny issue this trip with a girl I met where I forgot to have that conversation. She was 18 years old and tiny (like 4 feet tall) but cute and she was from a very poor / troubled background in Manrique. I took her out to eat (paid taxis etc) and at the end of the meal she asked me if I wanted to take her to my place. She was cute enough so I thought why not though I didn't think hard about how much money I had on me. Anyway, she was very affectionate with me the whole time and we had great sex. Everything was very GFE. Lots of making out, groping in the shower, and a couple of rounds of sex in different positions. She was more the romantic / affectionate than wild type. At the end of the date after we were getting the taxi at the door she asked if I was going to give her anything. I had 100 k in my wallet, which I gave her. Afterward, I got messages about how she wasn't a "puta barrata" and such, which was kind of funny (I guess she thought of herself as a puta carra). Luckily no issues, though. But I could have avoided issues if I'd been more careful talking about sex beforehand. I also clearly told her that she should tell gringos she was looking for money for sex, especially if they took her out to eat vs. Asking her to come to their apartments. I think we ended on ok terms and maybe she learned a valuable lesson. It's funny because she told me the only person she'd ever have unpaid sex with would be a boyfriend. I think this is a widespread attitude, especially among poorer and younger girls. I do think we had some genuine chemistry, or she was an amazing actress, as the sex was good and naturally flowing.

5) There are some genuinely sweet girls out there who are not interesada (gold diggers) at all. I went out with a girl I'd talked to on Facebook who was super sweet with me and very cool about money issues, especially for a Colombian. She paid for her own taxi to the date at a Peruvian restaurant in Laureles. She paid for our metro fares around the city as we went up to the Parque Arvi line afterward. Those sort of little gestures are a huge positive sign for me that I'm not dealing with an interesada. There was also lots of hand-holding and hugging from the beginning of our date and she made sweet gestures like giving me an earbud to listen to music and offering me use of her phone's hotspot when I was having internet issues. After going up the cable car and back, I offered for her to hang out at my place and had sex with her. She was pretty kinky / wild. She knew how to deepthroat and did CIM with swallow and told me about a lot of crazy sexual things she tried in the past. Her pictures were better looking than in person (which is another issue you commonly run into). But I think her sweetness and energy more than made up for that. She didn't want and I didn't offer any money to her. Her family owned a big pizza spot in Manrique and she was relatively well off. I only ended up being able to see her once. I think she was a bit off put by the fact I was married as well (something I thought I'd told her in chat but that seems to have only come out after we had sex).

6) The last girl I met was the best girl I met on this trip and someone I'd keep in touch with. She ended up being that "the me lo que quieres" type which we talked about quite explicitly and at length as I got to know her better. However, I'm more than happy to give this girl a little money because she ended up being one of the freakiest women I've met in my life (not just Colombia) and we had great energy and chemistry together. She is a light-skinned morena with straight her, a decent but not incredible face but a smoking body. I wouldn't have taken her for a freak as her pictures on her Facebook are quite conservative. I'd chatted with her since July and she has a boyfriend, which weirded me out a bit as I was worried I might have some Colombian guy after me if I saw her. However, it seems she is in some sort of open relationship and her boyfriend is ok with her fucking other guys, which I realize is also not so uncommon, especially in the pro-to-semipro realm. Anyway, I decided to have a beer on la 70 with her when I had a free moment because we'd been chatting so long and she'd been saying she wanted to see me. But I had no expectations of actually fucking her. We talked about a lot of things and our conversation turned to things like our craziest sexual experiences. I told her about how I enjoyed the swinger club here in Medellin and it became clear she'd never gone but was interested in the experience. She also made it clear to me that she was very open-minded sexually and liked having sex, so I thought why not and took her back to my apartment (I actually flaked on another girl I was planning to see). Anyway, after a few drinks and more talking we got to sex. I found out quickly she was into being dominated and degraded. She asked me to choke her and spit on her face while we were having sex and got off on me cumming on her face and begging for my leche. I gave her 200 k and paid for her taxis, which she was happy with.

On my last night in Medellin, I took her out again to tres cordilleras brewery where there was a cover band playing rock when we came, and afterwards took her to La Piscina. I've been to La Piscina once before with another open-minded girl and had a lot of fun (to the point where I've recommended it as one of my favorite spots in the city). This girl took to the swingers club like a duck to water. She was dancing on me naked in no time, sucking me off in front of everyone, and fucking in the jacuzzi like a natural. She also was intrigued by the BDSM room and asked for me to fuck her in the stockade they had there (which was cool in theory but kind of hard in practice given our body types / sizes). We also had sex in the smoking room next to my buddy and his girl. The craziest part, though is when we found a quiet place for me to cum (as fucking in front of people makes it harder for me to cum). She was masturbating as I jerked off on her face and squirted all over my leg as I came. We were also approached by a girl who was looking to swap or I think get at me. I let my girl deal with her, as I think that's the gentlemanly thing to do given the situation. They danced on each other a bit but it was my girl's judgment that she wasn't hot enough to do anything with. Piscinas had about 30 or 40 couples there when we were there and there were plenty of girls stripping, a couple of couples that fucked on stage, and a couple of girls that fucked each other on stage. It remains one of my favorite places to go, with a freaky girl of course. My buddy's girl was less comfortable with the environment and he didn't have nearly as good of a time as the two of us. I gave this girl another 200 k after we had gone out and had been fucking in Las Piscinas for four hours straight. The lines here are way blurrier around money than in other spots. I felt like we had really great chemistry and mutual attraction making the sex and companionship as good or better than any nonpro I've been with (she squirted on me after all jajaja). So I'd be more than happy to give her a bit of money when we see each other next time I'm in Medellin.

Overall, I'm starting to think that good semipros may be a better long-term way of developing a stable of girls than nonpros, though I'm still happy to fuck nonpros. I'd suggest that you should focus on more middle and upper-class types if you want true nonpros. Also clearly discuss sex and money issues in person on your date or in chats. Most girls are open and / or fine with those sorts of discussions about what they expect (I. E. Money for sex). You can pretty much get everything you'd get sexually with a nonpro from a semipro as well. The only thing that may be lacking is the rush that comes when deep feelings are present. Nonpros I've met in the past, especially the poorer ones tend to be waiting for you to show affection by sending a little money or helping them out financially in a jam. So the differences are more nuanced than one might think.[/QUOTE]Damn, knowing Spanish will definitely elevates one trip to Colombia it seems.

I assume that all the girls at La Piscina come with their partners and going Solo they wouldn't let you in?

[QUOTE=YngMong;2782523]Damn, knowing Spanish will definitely elevates one trip to Colombia it seems.

I assume that all the girls at La Piscina come with their partners and going Solo they wouldn't let you in?[/QUOTE]You do not have to quote the entire post to say a couple of words. You can delete the part of the post that is not relevant to what you are responding to.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2782451]Could you share info on what company you use. I am sort of Familiar with the e sim I use it as my main sim back home and was able to get a physical sim to use simultaneously while in Thailand but I didn't know you could get an esim in a foreign country as well?[/QUOTE]I use google fi on my secondary (burner) phone. I set up the line usually a week before I leave the states. I get the unlimited package with unlimited international data. I set it up using esim. It's one less thing I got to worry about. And like I mention. IPhone 10 and above allows you to use dual phone lines. For the ones that travels with a single phone.