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All this arguing can be settled real easy. Don't offer any girls any money, and see how many Colombian girls bang you. If she comes over and doesn't ask for money: she likes you, isn't a hooker, or doesn't see you as a John anymore even if she is a hooker.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828370]I rated her solely based on the photo you posted, and this has nothing to do with whether I like you personally or not. I rated her fairly, and as you already know, she meets my minimum standards and therefore is doable. And my rating corresponds with yours, since she is 1/1, or doable as well for you. The flaw that I found is not a major one and can definitely be fixed, just like the boobs. If anyone else posted the exact same photo, I would rated her the same.
As for the girls that I have fucked, I never share their photos on the public forum for various reasons, period. The photos that I had posted earlier, were the examples of the girls that I found attractive, I can't recall that I ever tried to contact them with p4 p proposals, but I were to contact them, most would never respond, simply because my messages would be lost in their inbox, girls that are in high demand are not easy to get their attention, especially on IG.[/QUOTE]I can't be believe you two are still arguing over this shit haha. Here's my two cents. The 1-10 scale is of course subjective, however if you took concensus from high status in demand men who can obtain almost any woman they desire, you will see they prefer certain types. This is the scale miamiboy is more likely to agree with. Now a man who is decades removed from being able to obtain young fit intelligent women with many options WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FOR IT, is going to be attracted to women who are going to be receptive to his sexual desires. This means what he finds attractive is going to be vastly different from what a fit wealthy successful intelligent man in his prime is going to find attractive. This is why young fit dudes with cash don't fuck ugly overweight moms in their 40's. This is why beautiful fit women in their 20's don't fuck overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's.
My point is this, the 1-10 scale should be based on the preferences of prime aged fit successful males who are most desired by the most in demand females. That scale is pretty consistent across cultures, nations, and ethnicities. Fat ass, thin waist, sexy face, down to get fucked hard. Hmmmm not rocket science. I am sure many members will find a way to argue this shit and fuck up the scale so we can't accurately exchange information for our benefit to increase our level of enjoyment during our mongering experiences though. Such is the forum.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2828449]How do you know what they are if you can not contact them or they will not respond to your messages? For all you know they could just be married or even gay and just seeking online attention. Just because you are unable to communicate with them does not mean they are in high demand. I would assert that just about any woman with a pussy is in high demand.[/QUOTE]What they are is irrelevant because we were discussing women's attractiveness. I could have posted some female celebrities or athletes, just for the reference. But to answer you question, some of the ones I posted I found on Seeking, Tinder, etc so some of them might be open to p4 p or dating. If you contact a high demand girl, let's say top 1-3% on Seeking, you chances of getting a response are slim, this is reality.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828450]All this arguing can be settled real easy.[/QUOTE]It is not an argument. It is a discussion. Only certain among us have a limited vocabulary, cannot actually engage in logic, cannot stand that someone else is bold enough to disagree with them, who think they know it all and therefore as El Jefe de Prostitution in Medellin call others names.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828450]Don't offer any girls any money, and see how many Colombian girls bang you.[/QUOTE]Number 1: I don't offer any girls money in any place I go through the world. I let them know I am interested in them. That I would like to see them and I see where their head is at. If they indicate they want money then I ask them how much. Now, I know there are those that say it is better to state your offer, but I prefer to engage in some price discovery and little back and forth.
Number 2: How many of you weekend millionaires are willing to do that? Actually engage a girl in conversation and spend some time with her and see if you have initial chemistry or if you can build some. It takes time.
Guys that lead with a pocket full of condoms and pesos on their forehead have no idea what I am talking about. I think a lot of people have forgotten that you can get girls to sleep with you without money being the main incentive. That is not to say they will not need money at some point. But you don't have to lead with it or make it front and center unless you or the girl you are interested wants it to be like that.
Have guys in general forgotten the joy of talking a girl out of her panties? The joy that comes from finding a girl that is actually into you? The achievement of accomplishing something that involves your own effort instead of throwing money at the problem. You know every girl that guys are paying is fucking someone for free. Maybe that someone could be you? I personally would rather bed a 5 that is into me than to pay a premium to fuck a Beauty Queen. You don't have to agree with me. Because all you have do to is what is best for YOUR dick!
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828450]If she comes over and doesn't ask for money: she likes you, isn't a hooker, or doesn't see you as a John anymore even if she is a hooker.[/QUOTE]Well said my man. Well said.
[B]How you like me now?[/B]
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828515]What they are is irrelevant because we were discussing women's attractiveness. I could have posted some female celebrities or athletes, just for the reference. But to answer you question, some of the ones I posted I found on Seeking, Tinder, etc so some of them might be open to p4 p or dating. If you contact a high demand girl, let's say top 1-3% on Seeking, you chances of getting a response are slim, this is reality.[/QUOTE]I've pointed this out many times in the past. Any woman's attractiveness is completely meaningless if you aren't fucking her, at least from the standpoint of this forum. If you run a modeling agency, or are in advertising (or some other area where your success depends on the appeal of the people you employ), that's a different story. But ISG can be summed up:
1. International travel.
2. Finding women.
3. Fucking women.
Unless you've managed to fuck Lily, from the AT&T ads, somewhere outside the US, whether you think she's a 3 or an 8 has no meaning here. Posting pictures of actresses, athletes, models or Instagram girls who you find attractive is a waste. Do you go into a steakhouse and tell the waiter you like Thai food? It ain't on the menu.
A new Twin Peaks bar / restaurant just opened up near me. Right now the place is packed. Just getting in the door is difficult. Drive another 3 minutes and there's a Hooters with a similar menu, similar waitresses and similar atmosphere. Right now, the only real difference is that 1 place is in demand.
For every "in demand" girl in Medellin there are at least 100 women who look just as good, and have no gringos trying to contact them.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828515]But to answer you question, some of the ones I posted I found on Seeking, Tinder, etc so some of them might be open to p4 p or dating. If you contact a high demand girl, let's say top 1-3% on Seeking, you chances of getting a response are slim, this is reality.[/QUOTE]LOL. That is not reality. That is the website fucking with you. Google some of the testimonials of people who used to work at these sites. Some of them are even paid to talk to you and lead you on so that you put more faith and hope in the site and pay more money.
You can use Thai Friendly for free and send a message to chicks every 10 minutes. And for 85% of the chicks you click on if you are not a paying member it tells you the chick is in high demand and you would have to buy a subscription to contact them. You pay the subscription and damn near every chick thay you send a message to will answer. There was not any high demand. It was just a marketing ploy. Granted most chicks do get a lot of emails though. I have seen the inboxes of chicks I have met from various sites. And it is not because they are in high demand. It is just because they have a pussy.
One Redditor worked at a dating site in the early 2000's, and was required "to pretend to be a woman and message male customers just as their accounts were going to expire. " Why – you may ask?
Apparently, it would encourage men to renew their subscriptions. "Once they renewed, he would ghost them," he added.
One employee claimed their dating site was "packed with photos of hot women who didn't exist", which turned out to be purchased professional photos with "tons of different bios".
They joked: "It was kind of funny because the same woman might be a surgeon in one profile and 'I just want to stay home and make babies in another. ".
Here I come to peruse the forums for useful information as ISG sometimes is (ok maybe like 60-70%.) and I realize I'm in the "stupid sh* subsection but goddamn, this is one hell of a jerkoff.
Go on boys, everyone kiss each other and make up.
[QUOTE=Tsfh14;2828574]Here I come to peruse the forums for useful information as ISG sometimes is (ok maybe like 60-70%.) and I realize I'm in the "stupid sh* subsection but goddamn, this is one hell of a jerkoff.
Go on boys, everyone kiss each other and make up.[/QUOTE]So you just came in here hoping to find some gay soft porn?
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828495]I can't be believe you two are still arguing over this shit haha. Here's my two cents. The 1-10 scale is of course subjective, however if you took concensus from high status in demand men who can obtain almost any woman they desire, you will see they prefer certain types. This is the scale miamiboy is more likely to agree with. Now a man who is decades removed from being able to obtain young fit intelligent women with many options WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FOR IT, is going to be attracted to women who are going to be receptive to his sexual desires. This means what he finds attractive is going to be vastly different from what a fit wealthy successful intelligent man in his prime is going to find attractive. This is why young fit dudes with cash don't fuck ugly overweight moms in their 40's. This is why beautiful fit women in their 20's don't fuck overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's.
My point is this, the 1-10 scale should be based on the preferences of prime aged fit successful males who are most desired by the most in demand females. That scale is pretty consistent across cultures, nations, and ethnicities. Fat ass, thin waist, sexy face, down to get fucked hard. Hmmmm not rocket science. I am sure many members will find a way to argue this shit and fuck up the scale so we can't accurately exchange information for our benefit to increase our level of enjoyment during our mongering experiences though. Such is the forum.[/QUOTE]I agree. You know what the issue is? These overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's are being delusional, thinking they get the same girls as successful men in their prime and for much less $. Heck, some even call them "girlfriends" and claim they have real relationships with young fit women who could be their granddaughters.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828543]It is not an argument. It is a discussion. Only certain among us have a limited vocabulary, cannot actually engage in logic, cannot stand that someone else is bold enough to disagree with them, who think they know it all and therefore as El Jefe de Prostitution in Medellin call others names.
Number 1: I don't offer any girls money in any place I go through the world. I let them know I am interested in them. That I would like to see them and I see where their head is at. If they indicate they want money then I ask them how much. Now, I know there are those that say it is better to state your offer, but I prefer to engage in some price discovery and little back and forth.
Number 2: How many of you weekend millionaires are willing to do that? Actually engage a girl in conversation and spend some time with her and see if you have initial chemistry or if you can build some. It takes time.
Guys that lead with a pocket full of condoms and pesos on their forehead have no idea what I am talking about. I think a lot of people have forgotten that you can get girls to sleep with you without money being the main incentive. That is not to say they will not need money at some point. But you don't have to lead with it or make it front and center unless you or the girl you are interested wants it to be like that.
Have guys in general forgotten the joy of talking a girl out of her panties? The joy that comes from finding a girl that is actually into you? The achievement of accomplishing something that involves your own effort instead of throwing money at the problem. You know every girl that guys are paying is fucking someone for free. Maybe that someone could be you? I personally would rather bed a 5 that is into me than to pay a premium to fuck a Beauty Queen. You don't have to agree with me. Because all you have do to is what is best for YOUR dick!
Well said my man. Well said.
[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]The problem with what you're saying is getting hot girls in mongering countries is so much work. It's just easier to pay, especially over 40 mongers. I'm over 50 now. How much time do I have left. I already feel my libido and energy levels crashing. One nut per day. Can I still do this at 65. I don't know. Idk how Hugh Hefner was banging all these girls at 80. Viagra isn't a wonder drug. A girl is either a hooker or not in Colombia. There is no in between. I've mongered over 20 years and a real girl would be ashamed to charge for sex. People that say hookers don't charge them are lying. You know how many guys at Help told me they weren't paying. Tons. They were all liars. You are in the biggest working girl club and you aren't paying. Ok.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828739]I agree. You know what the issue is? These overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's are being delusional, thinking they get the same girls as successful men in their prime and for much less $. Heck, some even call them "girlfriends" and claim they have real relationships with young fit women who could be their granddaughters.[/QUOTE]MiamiBoy these guys are clowns / total idiots. They would not know what to do with a hot chick. I am in my 50's and killing, but I do pay market value, honestly a little less, for what I get back in return. Many of the girls I am meeting spend the night or there are no rules. What more can I ask for.
Let it go and move on. You have proved your point.
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828495]I can't be believe you two are still arguing over this shit haha. Here's my two cents. The 1-10 scale is of course subjective, however if you took concensus from high status in demand men who can obtain almost any woman they desire, you will see they prefer certain types. This is the scale miamiboy is more likely to agree with. Now a man who is decades removed from being able to obtain young fit intelligent women with many options WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FOR IT, is going to be attracted to women who are going to be receptive to his sexual desires. This means what he finds attractive is going to be vastly different from what a fit wealthy successful intelligent man in his prime is going to find attractive. This is why young fit dudes with cash don't fuck ugly overweight moms in their 40's. This is why beautiful fit women in their 20's don't fuck overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's.
My point is this, the 1-10 scale should be based on the preferences of prime aged fit successful males who are most desired by the most in demand females. That scale is pretty consistent across cultures, nations, and ethnicities. Fat ass, thin waist, sexy face, down to get fucked hard. Hmmmm not rocket science. I am sure many members will find a way to argue this shit and fuck up the scale so we can't accurately exchange information for our benefit to increase our level of enjoyment during our mongering experiences though. Such is the forum.[/QUOTE]When I was a young, fit dude with cash, there was no need for cash to get women. All any guy had to do then (and it hasn't changed) is just talk to women. If someone my age 30 years ago would have told me they need to travel to third world countries in order to get laid, and then they have to pay for sex, I'd have bought them a shot and told them that was the saddest story I'd ever heard.
In fact, I keep hearing that same story from "young fit dudes with cash", except now I just laugh my ass off at the poor saps, who never managed to get laid without buying it, trying to explain why I can't have sex with the women I'm having sex with.
But enough about your situation. Let's talk about your 1-10 scale (because in a thread full of stupid shit it wins the golden septic tank trophy).
First we have to survey the most in demand women to determine:
1. What they consider to be prime age for a man.
2. Their definition of success.
3. Their definition of "fit. ".
4. Their fitness preferences for prime aged, successful men.
Then, after analyzing all the data, contact all the men who statistically fall into the top of the 'prime aged, successful fit" group and get them to create a 1-10 scale. After analyzing all of that data, you finally have a scale which you can then apply to describe a woman who you may or may not ever be able to fuck.
Shit. Forgot 1 crucial step. First, we have to determine who are the most in demand women. I'm guessing we're supposed to get that from the prime age, fit, successful men, but we can't know who they are until we ask the most in demand women. You've created an infinite loop.
Here's the key question:
Why do I need to ask a bunch of other men whether or not I want to fuck a woman?
Another fun question:
How do you know what type of women any man who you've never met, never talked to, never even said "Hello," to, is interested in?
Plus the companion question:
How do you know what any woman, who you've never seen, never chatted with, never even heard a first hand description of, is looking for in a man?
A final note:
You obviously don't know a fucking thing about any nations, cultures or ethnicities if you believe beauty standards are consistent across them all.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828739]I agree. You know what the issue is? These overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's are being delusional, thinking they get the same girls as successful men in their prime and for much less $. Heck, some even call them "girlfriends" and claim they have real relationships with young fit women who could be their granddaughters.[/QUOTE]Did you eat an extra big bowl of passive-aggressive Corn Flakes today?
I am a bit overweight, but:
1. I'm in my 60's.
2. I'm employed.
3. Why would I, or anyone, want to get the same woman someone else is getting? Unless you're either into gang bangs or like eating semen secondhand.
4. I have no children. Therefore, no woman, or girl is young enough to be my granddaughter. However, if you must fantasize about incestuous relationships, a girl 40 years younger than me would be young enough to be my great granddaughter.
However:
1. She is young.
2. She is fit, especially now that she's training for competition again.
But she can't be my granddaughter. Maybe you can get mommy and daddy to explain that part to you again.
Now define "relationship. " see'Mon. Give me a definition. Next, explain in detail my interactions with the girl I refer to as "my girlfriend. " When you finish with that, tell me how she feels about all of it.
You live completely within a fantasy world. You imagine what people who you've never seen are doing and who they are doing it with, then you create emotions for all the imaginary people. In your fantasy world, you're at the top of food chain. You use your superior skills to find only the best of the best women, hundreds of them in Colombia. It's all very time consuming, and requires much effort. However, it's worth it. Right?
Unfortunately, reality doesn't support your fantasy. Using your own rating scale you declared you've only managed to score a few women better than one who I just consider above average. Then, there are those "hundreds" of average to above average women. With the actual time you've spent in Colombia, you would have to have been averaging between 2 and 4 women every day. I know guys who do that, have done it for several years, but they aren't running around claiming they're scoring only the best women. I'm estimating you've barely broken 30 women, not just in Colombia, in your life.
The funny thing is, you keep mentioning how the top girls won't even respond to you, but all I have to do is post that I'm in Medellin and the top girls are messaging me asking if I want to see them.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828809]Did you eat an extra big bowl of passive-aggressive Corn Flakes today?
I am a bit overweight, but:
1. I'm in my 60's.
2. I'm employed.
3. Why would I, or anyone, want to get the same woman someone else is getting? Unless you're either into gang bangs or like eating semen secondhand.
4. I have no children. Therefore, no woman, or girl is young enough to be my granddaughter. However, if you must fantasize about incestuous relationships, a girl 40 years younger than me would be young enough to be my great granddaughter.
However:
1. She is young.
2. She is fit, especially now that she's training for competition again.
But she can't be my granddaughter. Maybe you can get mommy and daddy to explain that part to you again.
Now define "relationship. " see'Mon. Give me a definition. Next, explain in detail my interactions with the girl I refer to as "my girlfriend. " When you finish with that, tell me how she feels about all of it.
You live completely within a fantasy world. You imagine what people who you've never seen are doing and who they are doing it with, then you create emotions for all the imaginary people. In your fantasy world, you're at the top of food chain. You use your superior skills to find only the best of the best women, hundreds of them in Colombia. It's all very time consuming, and requires much effort. However, it's worth it. Right?
Unfortunately, reality doesn't support your fantasy. Using your own rating scale you declared you've only managed to score a few women better than one who I just consider above average. Then, there are those "hundreds" of average to above average women. With the actual time you've spent in Colombia, you would have to have been averaging between 2 and 4 women every day. I know guys who do that, have done it for several years, but they aren't running around claiming they're scoring only the best women. I'm estimating you've barely broken 30 women, not just in Colombia, in your life.
The funny thing is, you keep mentioning how the top girls won't even respond to you, but all I have to do is post that I'm in Medellin and the top girls are messaging me asking if I want to see them.[/QUOTE]So, what do we have in a summary? We have an employed, a bit overweight gringo in his 60's, who doesn't live in Colombia permanently, claiming to have a genuine relationship (which, in simple words, could be defined as feeling love for someone, or having a close romantic and sexual connection) with a young, fit female competing athlete, who can't be his granddaughter, because the gringo has no kids, but is young enough to be one. Also, the said gringo is claiming every time he posts about his arrival in Medellin, the top girls of all Medellin message him wanting to meet. Also, we know that the gringo would fuck 75% of his target audience of women 18 to 32 yo, the gringo is not using the 1-10 scale or any other scale except the binary one, but somehow knows who the top women in Mde are and the top women in Medellin know who he is, and completely sucks at estimating how many women an ISG member has been with in the course of his life. Keep your long ass fairy tales coming.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828768]People that say hookers don't charge them are lying. You know how many guys at Help told me they weren't paying. Tons. They were all liars. You are in the biggest working girl club and you aren't paying. Ok.[/QUOTE]Maybe you have not had many hookers, because I have met plenty that did not charge me. Right now I mess with a chick in Thailand that works at a hotel during normal hours. She goes out to the discos some nights to find guys though. She always wants to come see me when she has free time and she has never mentioned needing money from me.
I remember one of my first times in Sosua pulling up to the Europa Hotel. There were always chicks outside on the driveway. Chick named Yennifer told me I will fuck you free today but next time you have to pay me. Speaking of Help. I was messing with a chick I met on Cupid that told me she worked in some type of office. One night I was standing in front of Help when she did not know I was in town. She came up and saw me all embarrassed. She said she was sorry and asked to come to the apartment with me but I told her no thanks. Soon after that she moved to the south of France.
Also recently. I had been messing with a chick in Peru the last 10 years. A couple of years ago she got married and moved to Europe. I posted something about her in the Lima thread at the end of last year and someone figured out who it was and sent it to her. She chewed me out for putting her on this site and admitted that she was a hooker before, but never charged me. The list goes on such as the porn star chick that worked at Monte Carlo that my buddy introduced me to.