Medellin Reports

If I was feeling generous and really liked the girl (one that I already knew) $500,000 for the night. To be honest though I have had lots of girls spend the night with me and I didn't have to pay any extra.

I would not feel comfortable offering a lot of money ($500,000) for an overnight with a girl that I didn't know. I would recommend a first date dinner, back to your place 2-3 hours $300,000. At this price most girls won't think your cheap unless she is a 9 in which case expect to pay a little more. If everything works out well you can see her as much or less as you please. Keep your options open and don't tie yourself down (unless the chica is doing it and your into that stuff). Although this could be an embarrasing way to get robbed LOL.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789247]I must video chat with her before I arrive in Colombia.

How much would you offer? 800 k? 700 k?

I don't want to be cheap and annoy her however I also don't want to drastically overpay. It may even sound suspicious "For so much money, what does he want to do with me?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2789547]If I was feeling generous and really liked the girl (one that I already knew) $500,000 for the night. To be honest though I have had lots of girls spend the night with me and I didn't have to pay any extra.

[/QUOTE]Yup. I don't seek out all nighters, but I've had that happen a fair amount over the years. Arrange short-time, get along well, and the chica decides to stay the night with no additional payment.

Absolutely no reason to make a deal for all night if you haven't already sampled the girl short time. If you have a good time you can usually extend, frequently for no more pesos. And if she’s not good, you want to be able to get her to leave and you’ll feel like an idiot if you agreed to take her all night.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2789521]How many board members are there and how many of us have you met?[/QUOTE]I have no idea how many board members there are, but I think there's a counter along the bottom (or top).

I've been on this board off and on for almost 20 years, and I'm only mid 40's. I was on Argentina Private back in the day with Jackson and even met him a couple times. But I digress. Over the years I've probably met 80-100 guys in person that I've connected with through here and another 150-250 mongers that I've met on location through friends, at casas, or out on the town (many are unaware of ISG). I stay close with 20-25 of them that I've found to be most honest, trustworthy, and laid back. I've met guys that were 25 year old virgins and guys that were 85 with 20 year old girlfriends. Everything from police and army rangers to doctors, start up founders, and former pro ball players as well. We're an interesting cross section of society, with the only common characteristic that I can discern being an uncommonly high sex drive.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788640]I hate "facts", especially when someone has to stress they are "facts" instead of conclusions based on their experience. Don't get worked up.

Many apartments have tighter entry security than some hotels. Some hotels you're able to bypass security with a girl. Each person should consider the level of security which they feel is necessary. There are advantages to both apartments and hotels, depending on each person's situation.

Any girl is a potential risk. The biggest risk appears to be Tinder, but it's a bad idea to assume a girl is safe because of where you found her. Your focus should be on not providing the opportunity to anyone. It also means not letting everyone know you're a good target. The same advice that's been offered for years still works.

1. Don't advertise your wealth.

2. Don't get wasted.

3. Watch your drink at all times.[/QUOTE]Agree with this 100%. I was scoped back in mid November, many of you saw my report at that time.

Backstory.

I like to mix my Medellin trips up with a mix of pros, semi-pros, and non-pros. For the semi-pros I was using Bumble which in my prior experience had Paisas which were looking for more of a normal relationship as opposed to straight P4 P (as is the case with Tinder). It had worked for meeting girls with normal girls in the past, often with free sex and deeper relationships / friendships after 2-3 dates. Anyway, this particular time was scoped at the end of the second date with the girl in my apartment. We never once discussed payment and I didn't even sleep with her. I was making her dinner and she scoped my drink when I stepped out on the balcony to get steaks off of the grill. I was unconscious for 45+ hours and she cleaned me out of 5 k worth of stuff plus passport, credit cards, phone, etc... charged a ton of stuff over the 2 days I was out. Whether it was solopamine or horse tranquilizer I have no idea, but I was down in 10-15 seconds. It was the same week that the kid from California was scoped and killed by the girl he met on Tinder.

Anyway. Abide by all of JBee's rules, even for the regular ones until you get to know them better. There are several stories of guys knowing girls for weeks and even months before getting scoped. You may have the girls whatsapp and FB, but that's it. She can easily drug you, take your stuff, and disappear.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789149]If you can deliver that sweet sweet teenage Latina pussy, you've got a deal. I'm sending my credit card info.

No but seriously is a million pesos a day too much or too little for a girl like this? Obviously assuming that the photo is accurate. Two hundred bucks sounds dirt cheap to me however I understand that Medellin prices are relatively low.[/QUOTE]Some thoughts:

1) I see no reason to 'wife up' with a girl in Medellin, particularly if it's one of your first trips. Plenty of girls this good looking or better that you can source from Facebook or the casas for less and you have the benefit of variety.

2) I personally see no reason to pay a girl for the entire day unless you have some fluency in Spanish, plan to have a lot of sex, and maybe doing a tour (ie Guatape) and having dinner. If this doesn't apply you're going to have an awkward time and will be paying her 10 x Colombian minimum wage to play on her phone all day.

3) For a day I'd say 500 k tops. This girl would be 250 k to 300 k for FS over 1-2 hours and she probably only gets 2-3 mongers a week. I think she'd be fine with 500 k. Of note, the last time I paid full day was back in Sept / Oct when a favorita from Barranquilla joined me at a Santa Marta resort. I paid 350k / day, but covered all other expenses. With sex 3x a day, including once bare back, it was well worth it. For context she has a college degree and makes $650/mth which is apparently quite good. For her, she just had the opportunity to take some nice photos for her 100k IG followers.

4) Whatever you pay, know that it will be more as she'll be with you the ENTIRE day and wanting food, additional clothing, things for her sick grandma, etc. So add 300 k.

Overall I understand how you can say $200 is cheap, but recognize this is not Europe or the US. With the cost of living $200 is closer to $800 in the US give or take and employment prospects much worse.

Thanks for the ideas Knowledge and Recondite.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2789516]So why not learn Spanish? When I was interested to have proper conversations with people in various countries, I learned their languages.[/QUOTE]By proper I meant fluent -- understanding all that's said, effortlessly cracking jokes, flirting, using metaphors, irony, idioms. All done spontaneously without any pauses to find the right words.

I am learning (damn conjugations are killing me) and fluency is the end goal, but it won't happen next week (nor even next year) so in the so-called meantime it might be fun to get in with some English speaking Colombianas as well (and it could actually help with progress, even if she isn't fluent it might still be beneficial to have a live translator at hand).

When I 'dated', or rather hung out for extended periods of time with some chicas, pretty quickly I reached the limit of my Spanish and then the experience just wasn't too fun, ranging from fkn boring (there is only so much conversation at 6 yo level one can take), frustrating -- when girl is clearly sharing something and I don't understand most of it; or when I want to quickly comment or respond to something, can't find the words and the opportunity passes before I can even start to pull out the translator (too late to make that joke now, the chica with baboon ass already passed or the yellow bird flew away), to feeling like work instead of chill -- both parties sweating their brains and palms translating on the phone back and forth (which is the last thing I feel like doing after a good session).

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2789595] I was unconscious for 45+ hours and she cleaned me out of 5 k worth of stuff plus passport, credit cards, phone, etc... charged a ton of stuff over the 2 days I was out. Whether it was solopamine or horse tranquilizer I have no idea, but I was down in 10-15 seconds. It was the same week that the kid from California was scoped and killed by the girl he met on Tinder.

Anyway. Abide by all of JBee's rules, even for the regular ones until you get to know them better. There are several stories of guys knowing girls for weeks and even months before getting scoped. You may have the girls whatsapp and FB, but that's it. She can easily drug you, take your stuff, and disappear.[/QUOTE]Did you lower your daily ATM withdrawal and transaction limit when you arrived to Colombia?

Was it difficult to get your passport back? Did they accept a photo copy?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2789168]I think this is the same guy that posted a gazillion "stupid" questions in the Rio thread, but once the date came that it was time to go, something came up. Now it is time to do the same in the Medellin thread.[/QUOTE]Yup. People called him out on his BS in that thread and they'll eventually do the same here. He never went to Rio and he'll never go to Medellin.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2789414]Not sure about "most american visitors" being old but personally I didn't consider paying for sex until the girls I wanted to fuck were less than half my age and it was the only way possible to fuck the same type girls I was fucking as a young guy. It does suprise me how many younger guys I see in Medellin and most probably looking for P4 P. Hell I'm in Pattaya now and it shocks me that in the best gogo most young asian guys appear to be about the same age as the girls dancing on stage. Not being judgemental but I just couldn't have imagined doing that myself. So yeah I'm guilty of often being in Medellin as an older guy haha.[/QUOTE]I think it's just a generational thing, more younger guys are waking up, making more money and realizing we don't have to settle for just 1 chick. Today's young women in america are not the same like they were back in your day either way.

It's hilarious when people and even working girls think us younger mongers do it because it's our only option. Actually we do it because it gives us plenty of options. Besides it's never free, you have to pay for it one way or another, I rather just pay to put in less time because to me time is more valuable.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2789601]Some thoughts:

1) I see no reason to 'wife up' with a girl in Medellin, particularly if it's one of your first trips. Plenty of girls this good looking or better that you can source from Facebook or the casas for less and you have the benefit of variety.

2) I personally see no reason to pay a girl for the entire day unless you have some fluency in Spanish, plan to have a lot of sex, and maybe doing a tour (ie Guatape) and having dinner. If this doesn't apply you're going to have an awkward time and will be paying her 10 x Colombian minimum wage to play on her phone all day.

3) For a day I'd say 500 k tops. This girl would be 250 k to 300 k for FS over 1-2 hours and she probably only gets 2-3 mongers a week. I think she'd be fine with 500 k. Of note, the last time I paid full day was back in Sept / Oct when a favorita from Barranquilla joined me at a Santa Marta resort. I paid 350k / day, but covered all other expenses. With sex 3x a day, including once bare back, it was well worth it. For context she has a college degree and makes $650/mth which is apparently quite good. For her, she just had the opportunity to take some nice photos for her 100k IG followers.

4) Whatever you pay, know that it will be more as she'll be with you the ENTIRE day and wanting food, additional clothing, things for her sick grandma, etc. So add 300 k.

Overall I understand how you can say $200 is cheap, but recognize this is not Europe or the US. With the cost of living $200 is closer to $800 in the US give or take and employment prospects much worse.[/QUOTE]7 years ago I did cost of living comparisons between Indianapolis and cities in Medellin. Indianapolis has one of the lowest cost of living in the US. I believe it came out that Indianapolis is 151% more expensive than Medellin. That was with an exchange rate of 3000 to 1.

Add in the poverty rate and you're not making a fair comparison. In the US cheap prostitutes tend to be the dregs, drug problems, mental health problems. In Colombia a cheap prostitute is just a normal girl whose major flaw is she lacks initiative. Here $10 is a lot of money. It's roughly 1 days pay for manual labor. $50 is a day's pat for a low level white collar job. $100 is management level daily salary. The President of Colombia earns about 600 k pesos per day and half the people will say he's fucking the entire country.

On that scale, 1 million COP to just fuck 1 guy daily seems a bit high.

What happened to the website? Why did they make changes?

Without being able to see profile photos, or reviews / comments, also they took away the option to view recently updated profiles, it's pretty much useless now.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2789595]Agree with this 100%. I was scoped back in mid November, many of you saw my report at that time.

Backstory.

I like to mix my Medellin trips up with a mix of pros, semi-pros, and non-pros. For the semi-pros I was using Bumble which in my prior experience had Paisas which were looking for more of a normal relationship as opposed to straight P4 P (as is the case with Tinder). It had worked for meeting girls with normal girls in the past, often with free sex and deeper relationships / friendships after 2-3 dates. Anyway, this particular time was scoped at the end of the second date with the girl in my apartment. We never once discussed payment and I didn't even sleep with her. I was making her dinner and she scoped my drink when I stepped out on the balcony to get steaks off of the grill. I was unconscious for 45+ hours and she cleaned me out of 5 k worth of stuff plus passport, credit cards, phone, etc... charged a ton of stuff over the 2 days I was out. Whether it was solopamine or horse tranquilizer I have no idea, but I was down in 10-15 seconds. It was the same week that the kid from California was scoped and killed by the girl he met on Tinder.

Anyway. Abide by all of JBee's rules, even for the regular ones until you get to know them better. There are several stories of guys knowing girls for weeks and even months before getting scoped. You may have the girls whatsapp and FB, but that's it. She can easily drug you, take your stuff, and disappear.[/QUOTE]There should be a rogues' gallery of girls who have scoped guys in Colombia in a thread on ISG using girls' photos from facebook, whatsapp, etc.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2789603]I am learning (damn conjugations are killing me) and fluency is the end goal, but it won't happen next week (nor even next year)[/QUOTE]Write out flash cards. Start with the present / present indicative. On one side write the infinitive and on the other side write the conjugations. For example in English write "to be" on one side. On the other side write on different lines "I am, You are, he She It is, They are".

Start out with your main most frequently used verbs like to ser, estar, ir.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2789621]It's hilarious when people and even working girls think us younger mongers do it because it's our only option. Actually we do it because it gives us plenty of options. [/QUOTE]Funny people would think that. You look online and see that young American chicks are more promiscuous than ever and do not care who knows it.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2789603]

By proper I meant fluent -- understanding all that's said, effortlessly cracking jokes, flirting, using metaphors, irony, idioms. All done spontaneously without any pauses to find the right words.
[/QUOTE]You set a very high bar. Most BMs can't do that in English, nor most Colombians in Spanish!