Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=VileMaggot]Okay,

For all of you wondering or arguing about india, let me break it down for you.

As an indian who has spent most of his life abroad, I have to say, india is severely lacking. As a tourist, india is not a bad place to visit. As a monger, india is most probably the last place in the world you want to visit.

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I'm an Indian myself and living in India for the last 30 years. I'm sorry on behalf of all Indians who spoil the game for others..i don't know what else to do...you are right on every word you say man..i agree..

Indian are not liked anywhere they go ...they are wrapped around their tiny heads to think India is all that exist around the world. They are kicked in Australia, they slave in US and europe and are not entertained in Thailand.

The few who understand and respect the global culture of humanity and respect would pass way over the head of majority of Indians. 99% of Indians have serious Psychological issues...they are brain dead and are incapable of understanding another culture and humans.

Not all are bad though many Indians who are global minded and visit these forums are cool and understand...but majority are just dumb cows..if you try to put some sense into them ...they will accuse you of being anti-indian.

If you tell that Indians smell bad due to eating habits and curry and Indians should use more deo and perfume ...they will accuse me of being anti-Indian...its sad really i pity my own people...its hopeless.

Think about it ...one of the most hated people in Pattaya are not the lady boys who pester tourist..even they have sense......but the Indian tailors...who left their brains on a sewing machine...just shaking hands with everyone and thinking everyone needs a f**cking suit in pattaya...its moronic and stupid f**ckfull shameful act of what they do to tourist in Thailand and bring bad names to all Indians.

These Indian tailors must be kicked out of Thailand to bring some sense of existence in Pattaya for other Indians who behave properly.

I don't know what else to do...i have given up...its frustrating ..no matter how many good Indians try to give a good image of us abroad..there are 100 other morons who spoil the place for rest of us...what can we do?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]While there is an Indian brother on the line I must pose a question. But let me start off with a scenario.

The other night on Walking Street I saw the funniest damn thing. There were two Indian guys walking with a Thai woman. One guy had his arm around her waist and the other had his arm around her shoulder. If only I had had my camera ready. I was thinking there are plenty of women to go around. Why doesn't the other guy get his own woman?

So why is it that when I see Indian brothers in Pattaya they are always ganging up on the girls? There is never a one-on-one thing. They are always in groups of two or more trying to pick up or with one girl.[/QUOTE]Bro, I'm an Indian myself, read my reply below...most of the Indian's you see in Pattaya are cheap charlie dumb f**ck cows with no human mind. Most of them are possessed by some kinda entity they pray too.

Trust me man....there is no hope here...why do you think an uneducated, illiterate thai bar girl from Issan who has no idea of how the world works when she sees an Indian...utterly disgust them ..most of the bar girls gets smitten by Indians.....there must be something in her soul or self to detest bad vibration.

All bad acts done by Indians does not go unnoticed..words spread around...no matter how hard tiny few good Indians try to do...10000 others will spoil it for us....its time to move on man...lets move onto something else..its hopeless talking about us..we ain't gonna change anytime soon :)

[QUOTE=Starchild2012]I'm an Indian myself and living in India for the last 30 years.

99% of Indians have serious Psychological issues...they are brain dead and are incapable of understanding another culture and humans.[/QUOTE]So where do you fall in this overall percentile?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]While there is an Indian brother on the line I must pose a question. But let me start off with a scenario.

The other night on Walking Street I saw the funniest damn thing. There were two Indian guys walking with a Thai woman. One guy had his arm around her waist and the other had his arm around her shoulder. If only I had had my camera ready. I was thinking there are plenty of women to go around. Why doesn't the other guy get his own woman?

So why is it that when I see Indian brothers in Pattaya they are always ganging up on the girls? There is never a one-on-one thing. They are always in groups of two or more trying to pick up or with one girl.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]Not an Indian guy here. But let me throw down a possible answer. Indian guys can buy a fairly low priced tour package to Thailand and stay together. Many in the same room. Trying to save lodging and food costs (this is not a "cheapness" issue. Just one of not having a huge amount of surplus money). Possibly a two for one deal with the girl for the budget conscious has been accomplished. And she actually is both of their "girlfriends"?[/QUOTE]while I am of indian citizenship, as stated before, I have spent most of my life outside of india, and as such have a hard time considering myself as an 'indian', especially when I see the general attitudes, behaviour and customs of the people around me. That being said, let me take a stab at trying to explain the actions of my countrymen.

I must admit, I am not completely sure about what to make of the scenario you posed before me, mr enternational. From my observations and general understanding, homosexuality is not tolerated in india, although recently some headway is being made there. [I'm pretty sure there's a pun or innuendo in the previous sentence, completely unintentional]. However, a very common scene here is two or more [straight] guys, dressed quite flamboyantly, holding hands, or linking pinky fingers or sitting on each other laps in crowded buses and trains. Handshakes between two male relatives or friends usually last at least half the length of the converstaion. A stand up comedian makes fun of this in his show. Russell peters in red, white and brown. Canadian born and raised indian. Threesome?, I think not.

As lover boy #2 speculated, it may not be an issue of cheapness. [though that is not out of the possibility]. The standard of living here is quite low. I'm pretty sure that the average labour worker makes around $7 a day. I know for a fact that mba graduates get bank jobs with a starting salary of $6110 [at todays rate] per year.

However, it is a well known fact that indians are cheap. Not misers, just cheap. A 'two for one deal' is not a bad explanation, but I highly doubt it is a threesome. They're probably indians with jobs in a foreign country. While they may make more money than they would in india, they probably have families back home they have to take care of. Family is one of the most important things in india, second only to religion.

Sex is seen as a reproductive tool and not a pleasurable leisure activity here. Most couple have a child within the first year of marriage. Marriages that are arranged. Pda is non exstant here. Males and females do not have physical contact. For example, a college student may have a boy/girl friend. This is just a title, they may go out for a coffee or talk to each other on the phone a lot and maybe send cutesy messages. That is the extent of it. No holding hands or hugging or kissing and definitely no sex. Maybe the second guy was just starving for the feel of a lbfm, and couldn't wait till he got his own, LOL.

Starchild, why do you pick on the tailors, these people only try to make an honest living. The only reason I would buy a suite would be if I was invited to party in an high-rollers club (it is not happening), but other people may need or like one anyway, there os nothing wrong with that.

Any tips on where to go in Pattaya to get pampered?

I mean proper body treatments in a proper wellness centre.

Cheers

A quick report on a recent trip to Pataya. Same as ever – and only took girls rom Soi 6 bars (My Friend You and Halifax) and also from Go Go to right as you go up to Club X…..

Only one thing unusual to report. I saw a youngish Japanese women in a go go up one of the side sois from Walking St (can't recall which one ...sorry) with her male partner. She was sitting right on the edge of the shower play area and interacting with the dancers, buying drinks and lots of touching and soaping them up – she appeared quite excited by the whole thing and it was horny watching her.

I knew one of the shower girls a bit but she wouldn’t tell me what was being whispered…anyhow ever one to push the situation, I got my shower girl to express a little milk from her breasts for me to taste while making sure the Japanese woman saw what was happening.. She sure arced up and so I persuaded my friend to do it again and this time offer the Japanese woman a taste – which she duly did! Very horny situation.

Lot more whispering and I thought I might be in for a very different night but unfortunately she picked out another dancer, her partner barfined her an they all left after she gave me a high five very un-Japanese esp from a woman……however my fantasies live on!

[QUOTE=Starchild2012]I'm an Indian myself and living in India for the last 30 years. I'm sorry on behalf of all Indians who spoil the game for others..i don't know what else to do...you are right on every word you say man..i agree..
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I don't know what else to do...i have given up...its frustrating ..no matter how many good Indians try to give a good image of us abroad..there are 100 other morons who spoil the place for rest of us...what can we do?[/QUOTE]Are you trying to bring to ISG the Indian "levels" that should be abandoned for good?

So finally returned back to Pattaya (and Thailand in general) after an approximately two year gap. Hadn't really needed the "Asian" fix since I moved to Kuwait and there are plenty of Chinese and Phillipina providers there. I was in Dubai on business and afterwards had to burn off some excess vacation time so decided to take a side trip to LOS for old time’s sake.

Stopped off in Bangkok first for a few days and was quickly bored to death after the first night. I usually try to get African, Russian, or any other non Asian provider in Bangkok since I've had good luck in the past pulling them from regular bars and clubs such as Spazos. However I already did Asian, African, and Russian over the course of my two nights in Dubai so didn't even bother.

Arrived in Pattaya earlier this afternoon pretty much hung over after a night of binging at Soi 7 back in Bangkok and not too excited at all; I was actually thinking about cutting my trip early until I got to my hotel and was immediately impressed. I won't go into too much detail here (but will later on the hotel forum) since it is late and I want to get to my first day's pickup but if anyone has a chance to stay at the Vault, I suggest you take it. This place is top notch and extremely girl friendly. I got one of their penthouse rooms which are HUGE with Jacuzzi, stripper pole/stage and the guy who runs the place is very helpful with anything you might need. He even provided me with a local cell phone to use as well as to call him anytime if I needed anything. I've been coming to Pattaya off and on since 1990 and never before have had I experienced such support and service.

So anyway, after taking care of some business, getting something to eat and taking a nap, I headed out around 8PM to Walking Street (only two minute walk away). Didn’t want to rush things nor drink too much since I was still feeling slightly queasy from the previous night’s binger. Plan was to catch a baht bus to SOI 6 then work my way back to Walking Street while checking out the Beach Road action. Decided to try and walk instead to work off the earlier meal but only got halfway before I realized it was further than I thought and due to the humidity, I was soon covered in sweat. Got a baht bus to SOi 6 and the memories instantly came flooding back. Got the usual cat calls and whatnot but decided against choosing anyone or going into any of the bars (yet) because the girls looked to me to be way too young or were not girls; in fact there were a LOT more katooey there than I remember.

Anyway I was reading Poppers posts and had already decided I was going to give the Beach Road action a try before paying for any bar fines or lady drinks. Walked the length of Soi 6 then around the block and back down to beach road, again covered in sweat. It was getting late and I was getting tired so decided to take a baht bus all the way back to Walking Street to hit some of the go-gos and check out the street action. Noticed that there is a lot more Russian/Uzbek hookers than I remember from my last visit but none of them were really giving me the “look” to come and see what was on the menu and again, I had my fill back in Dubai. Although I almost approached one thin beauty who was staring strangely at me but her fat ugly friend saw us looking at each other and immediately tried to negotiate 8000 baht to which I replied; “dosvadonya, sweetie”.

Kept getting pestered by touts to check out the live sex shows but I had already seen one earlier that week in Bangkok. These guys are insistent to the point that I almost thought one was going to try and physically impel me to go. In fact, it may be the off season but it seemed a lot of the clubs and vendors were sparsely populated and the place itself didn’t seem crowded at all; lots of couples who didn’t look to be interested in the strip bars.

Thirsty so decided to hit up a few go-gos for the 45baht drafts, went into one of the baby dolls and was immediately set upon by all the unoccupied half naked girls. I grabbed a seat, ordered a drink and was enjoying the show when the inevitable happened; “by lady drink?” The request was from the sweet young thing sitting next to me and I might have had not four of her co-workers also decided for some reason at that moment to also hit me up for lady drinks. I took that as my cue to vamoose and to all their dismay finished my drink, paid and left. I’d like to have told the other girls that they all just screwed their friend out of a drink but I don’t think it would have registered. In any case it brought me back to my original plan to hit Beach Road.

I hit three more go-gos and repeated the same strategy of leaving whenever asked about LD’s. I will say that all of the girls were progressively better looking and naked with each bar I visited and the last one almost got me; I had two dancers on either side of me with one massaging my package and noticing as it got bigger then urging her friend to also have a feel to which she eagerly did. Now that was feeling pretty good but I knew I had to finish my beer and get out before the begging started. Too late, they must have somehow sensed what I was thinking (probably the way I chugged my beer and looked towards the exit) and both hit me up with LD requests , instantly killing the half chub I had going. Mama san sees me digging in my pocket and assumes I’m going to buy LD’s but I tell her I just want to pay the bill. Now I got mamasan, two topless girls, and another dancer who’d been eyeing from across the stage all hassling me about why I was leaving. I tell them I don’t have enough money to stay and need to hit an ATM. They urge me to come back and freaking mamasan then makes like she is going to come with me to the ATM to I guess “make sure” I come back to the gogo and spend more money, even saying I did not have to pay the current bill right now but could do so when I came back. Told her no, I’ll pay right now because I might not come back and sad faces all around. There was only me and I think 4 other guys in the place so I guess they weren’t having a good night.

I actually did go to an ATM on 2nd road and was hit up by this kid to come see another sex show which was right there. Unlike the previous others this guy seemed reasonably nice and not pushy so I took him up on it. The show was on the second floor of a go go bar that you have to pass through. Things must be desperate because I was not five steps in before the go-go dancer were all on me trying to force me to sit and drink, “nope, going upstairs to see some ping pong action” to which they insisted I wait and have a drink with them first. The kid actually had to come back in and tell them that he promised me I’d see the show upstairs and they let me go. The show itself wasn’t that great; the usual girls on stage doing the same ol things with ping pong balls and bananas. I guess if you’ve seen one, you’ve pretty much seen them all. These performers didn’t seem to have it all together either; balls didn’t make it into glasses and one poor girl had a problem “blowing” out all the candles on the fake birthday cake. I actually would have stayed longer to see the actual sex show (there was a half naked muscular Asian dude and attractive girl getting ready to hit the stage next) but the particular bargirls were just annoying the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of me as I was trying to watch the show.

Constantly asking questions and just plain oblivious to the fact that I was only there to see some weird sex shit on stage. One of them (an old lady whose good days in this profession were over a long time ago) actually got frustrated to the point that she pointedly asked me “why you not look at lady? (the bargirls)” to whom I simply pointed to the lady on stage having sex with the banana and said, “I AM looking at lady...that one!” After that I just paid for my one drink and left, but not before being chased by the bargirls from the first floor who where insistent that I remain and drink there. NOPE! I left grabbed a cab and finally hit beach road. Pickings were not bad; saw various ranges of girls and some I just weren’t sure about. Saw one cute lil spinner walking my way and she made eye contact. As soon as she saw me look back it was “where you go?” to which I replied, “with you”. So far so good; only on Beach Road for about ten minutes and already had a cutie to take back and defile. Her name was Oom and she said that she had only been out about 15 minutes when we met. She tried to get 1000baht but I told her I only wanted ST and would give her 500. She first tried to say that the 1000 WAS for ST but then relented and decided to accept the 500.

We get into a tuktuk that already has 3 other passengers; 2 European sounding dudes and one old crazy-ass Katooey who may have been on drugs or just a nutter. She kept patting my knee and talking about the driver accusing him of asking for too much money (not sure if she meant me or herself). The other dudes got off at an earlier stop so now it’s just me, oom, and this crazy katoey who I can’t help but notice is sitting uncomfortably close to the point that I happen to glance down to see that she had worked the cargo pocket of my shorts open and almost had her fingers in to try to knick some baht. I immediately jumped up and moved to the opposite seat, I couldn’t tell if she was embarrassed or pissed at getting caught but she didn’t say anything and neither did I.

She got off at the next stop and Oom asked me why I moved. I didn’t want her to think I was an asshole against katooeys and told her that I caught the katooey trying to pick my pocket. Oom asked if I wanted to tell the tourist police but at that point I just wanted to screw and told her no since the old bag didn’t get anything.

Get back to the Vault and the girl at the desk simply asks Oom for ID and off we go to my Penthouse room for action! I learned awhile back that a decent room goes a long way with these girls and the suite I have really impressed this one. Showed her around and eventually ended up in the bedroom but first wanted to take a shower. She insisted I take mine first which I was slightly worried about but made sure to keep my wallet and stuff with me in the bathroom. I came out of the shower to her already naked looking for a towel. Body is a solid 9, no scars and some nice tattoo work on her chest and back. Nice rack, not big but perfect for a girl her size and she had a nice ass of which I was hoping to get to know better later on.

She takes her shower, comes out smelling good and after some casual talk, she proceed so slowly and sweetly perform a really good BBBJ. I was tempted to blow in her mouth but she decided at that moment to reach for the condom put it on and mount me cowgirl style. She was tight and eased herself slowly up and down my shaft while making small whimpering noises. After a few thrusts, she looked down at me and requested I do her missionary style to which I kindly obliged. We turned over and she wrapped her legs tightly around my waste as I plunged and grinded into her. She began pumping and grinding herself against me and now moaning and groaning loudly with pleasure. I could feel myself building to climax but didn’t want to until after I hit it doggie so pulled out and flipped her over on her hands and knees. She thrust her ass back onto my crank and began quickly moving back and forth; I didn’t even have to do anything as she was doing all the work. Even so, I still grabbed those perfect ass cheeks and spread em’ while ramming her enjoying the high pitched squeal she emitted with each pounding. Well I could tell I was done for and shot what felt like a gallon of joy juice into the condom (forgetting that I actually had planned to shoot on her face or in her mouth). She wouldn’t let me pull out and kept on grinding herself against me until she stiffened up came.

So afterwards we’re cleaning up and she wants to know when she can see me again. I tell here to give me a call anytime since having some ass on call could be a good thing. Going to see about doing her again tomorrow afternoon and maybe see if she might be up for a bit of group play. In the meantime, I just finished counting the money I DIDN’T spend on lady drinks and bar fines and it amounts to a pretty penny.

My total tally for the first day:

One gin and tonic each from three separate go-go: about 380 baht (they were priced differently at each place which made me a bit suspicious)

2 draft beers from two other go-gos: 90 baht for both (45 apiece)

Tuk Tuk rides: 30 baht

Beach Road freelancer: 500 Baht st

Total spent on drinks and booty: 1000baht!!!

I probably won’t be too welcome in the go-go once I repeat the pattern so will probably just stay away from them in favor of the smaller beer bars. I’ll try to get a few more Beach Road regulars or other freelancers “on the payroll” so I’ll have my booty needs sorted.

If I can stick to this plan then I should actually leave here WITH some money instead of putting a dent in my bank account.

[QUOTE=Must Stop][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/25/world/asia/25iht-thai.html?pagewanted=2&ref=general&src=me[/url]

Worth reading for those visiting thailand for the first time. A lot is a rehash of what people have already mentioned in the forum. Just look at the quotes on what they are saying.[/QUOTE]

....amazing that the NY Times cannot get a simple definition straight. That is a tuk-tuk not a "samlor".


"Joseph and Nui Davis in their custom three-wheeled samlor".

"A picture caption in an earlier version of this article referred imprecisely to a three-wheeled vehicle. While the term tuk-tuk is often used loosely to refer to such vehicles, the one pictured is a samlor".

[QUOTE=Starchild2012]I'm an Indian myself and living in India for the last 30 years. I'm sorry on behalf of all Indians who spoil the game for others..i don't know what else to do...you are right on every word you say man..i agree..

Indian are not liked anywhere they go ...they are wrapped around their tiny heads to think India is all that exist around the world. They are kicked in Australia, they slave in US and europe and are not entertained in Thailand.

The few who understand and respect the global culture of humanity and respect would pass way over the head of majority of Indians. 99% of Indians have serious Psychological issues...they are brain dead and are incapable of understanding another culture and humans.

Not all are bad though many Indians who are global minded and visit these forums are cool and understand...but majority are just dumb cows..if you try to put some sense into them ...they will accuse you of being anti-indian.

If you tell that Indians smell bad due to eating habits and curry and Indians should use more deo and perfume ...they will accuse me of being anti-Indian...its sad really i pity my own people...its hopeless.

Think about it ...one of the most hated people in Pattaya are not the lady boys who pester tourist..even they have sense......but the Indian tailors...who left their brains on a sewing machine...just shaking hands with everyone and thinking everyone needs a f**cking suit in pattaya...its moronic and stupid f**ckfull shameful act of what they do to tourist in Thailand and bring bad names to all Indians.

These Indian tailors must be kicked out of Thailand to bring some sense of existence in Pattaya for other Indians who behave properly.

I don't know what else to do...i have given up...its frustrating ..no matter how many good Indians try to give a good image of us abroad..there are 100 other morons who spoil the place for rest of us...what can we do?[/QUOTE]


I think you are being a bit hard on yourself and your people.....although most of us see our fellow countrymen (German, Brit, American, whatever) at work and start to get that same sense of sickness in our stomach as we see our national language used and the idiot connected to it. This is natural.

Many of the Indian tailors came to Thailand during the Vietnam conflict and got their start around the US base in Udonthani.....really trying to scratch out an existence. As the economy flourished into the 80's and 90's they left the zones of earlier boom economy and chased the baht to BKK, Pattaya and elsewhere. The guys on the street are mostly from Nepal, working for their Indian brothers at a very low wage......let's pity them as their country has become a Maoist state and possibly they are true refugees??.......let's pity them instead of beating them down for engaging us (and possibly touching us) in annoying ways.

....and as it relates to clean breath......our Thai friends have been known to have the breath of the dragon......chillies and Lao food can be a real breath destroyer.....similar to curry......so why do the Thais always have something to say about the Indians "smell bad"?

Maybe it is all a matter of trying to push someone to the lowest rung on the totem pole??.....it seems a human nature.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]So where do you fall in this overall percentile?[/QUOTE]

Most definitely in the 99% of Indian's who have Psychological issues :)...Man, i have been living here all my life...this disease is infectious...I I invite you to India and be my guest for couple of months and see if you are able to keep your sanity without fun. ISG and its members posts are an outlet to cure my issues. I can never write.. what i wrote here in an Indian centric forum..they will crucify me. ISG is a therapy for me :)

[quote=Bionicman]are you trying to bring to ISG the Indian "levels" that should be abandoned for good? [/quote]

Hell no Bionicman...that would be the last day, i will ever post on ISG. This Indian thing, attitude should be dumped for ever. I just brought this up to show a perspective on where India stands with the world in terms of fun and attitude.

[quote=new old boy]Starchild, why do you pick on the tailors, these people only try to make an honest living. The only reason I would buy a suite would be if I was invited to party in an high-rollers club (it is not happening), but other people may need or like one anyway, there os nothing wrong with that.[/quote]

I understand your point...but there are 1 million other street vendors in Thailand who do not act the way Indian tailors do to get customers...Im sure there must be 100 other Thai tailors who will make a suit but don't use the tactic that Indian tailors do..

Once a tourist says NO ..... It means NO...why is it so hard for Indian tailors to understand that if a person needs a suit HE WILL COME TO YOU :)

Why does he goes all the way to shake his hand and force him into his store sometimes. Its an attitude....Making a suit isn't one of the greatest invention of mankind or man cannot live without it..its just a choice.

I never wanted to point it out and frankly im used to it..BUT i have read 10000 annoying complaints and disgust from european, American and other Asian tourist in many forums that its simply annoying to shake hands with Indian tailors. They don't live even Indian tourist alone...i was approached 10 times by same guys passing the same street...they use the cloth from India and i could get a suit made for 1/4th of the price here.

Its about honesty i agree but is also about decency and showing respect for other people and respecting their private space. No one like to shake hands with strangers on the road.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]I think you are being a bit hard on yourself and your people.....although most of us see our fellow countrymen (German, Brit, American, whatever) at work and start to get that same sense of sickness in our stomach as we see our national language used and the idiot connected to it. This is natural.

Many of the Indian tailors came to Thailand during the Vietnam conflict and got their start around the US base in Udonthani.....really trying to scratch out an existence. As the economy flourished into the 80's and 90's they left the zones of earlier boom economy and chased the baht to BKK, Pattaya and elsewhere. The guys on the street are mostly from Nepal, working for their Indian brothers at a very low wage......let's pity them as their country has become a Maoist state and possibly they are true refugees??.......let's pity them instead of beating them down for engaging us (and possibly touching us) in annoying ways.

....and as it relates to clean breath......our Thai friends have been known to have the breath of the dragon......chillies and Lao food can be a real breath destroyer.....similar to curry......so why do the Thais always have something to say about the Indians "smell bad"?

Maybe it is all a matter of trying to push someone to the lowest rung on the totem pole??.....it seems a human nature.[/QUOTE]

You have good intentions Lover Boy....If you read my past post in the last 5 years or so...i have only said positive things about India and going the insane distance to protect Indians. But there is a limit to all things. I thought attitude against Indians would improve in Thailand once more Indians go there from difference social class..but it has only gotten worse.

Anways, I don't wanna bring down Pattaya thread to Indian vs talk...my last post on this and sorry if i have hurt any Indians or farangs feelings

[QUOTE=Starchild2012]... Anways, I don't wanna bring down Pattaya thread to Indian vs talk...my last post on this and sorry if i have hurt any Indians or farangs feelings[/QUOTE]
Not at all, Starchild. I for one find your reports fascinating as I never could quite understand why great p4p was not readily available in India in light of the abject poverty of the masses ... You have answered my questions ... What a pity that religion can suck all the joy out of all the people in an entire nation ... reducing them to "cows."

Sadly, this will be the fate of my own nation (USA) if the left and right wing morons have their way.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I saw this place the other night, not really knowing. What made me do a double take is that a girl I took from Lucifer in March was there when I walked by. The day that I took her she was drunk off Thai whiskey. Now I know where she gets it from. She must get liquored up in the Thai bar before going to Lucifer so she won't have to buy the 90 baht drinks there.

Location: Leaving out of Lucifer directly across and to the left is a small alley (I park my bike there when going to Walking Street). Probably 5 steps from the corner on the left is a red and black sign in western script and in Thai script. The western script says "Kab Tawan."[/QUOTE]
Haha! I was there the other night with some people. I saw 2 girls from Baccara. They showed up, got their buzz on quickly, then left to go back to work. I also saw 3 freelancers plow through a 700 (or 750ml?) bottle of whiskey and soda.