Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Uncountable;2954077]Hello Gents,

I regularly post in the LA seeking thread at usasexguide, and it is customary to post links of seeking girls; however, I rarely see any links being posted here. Is it against the rules to do such? I have never used seeking outside of the States, but I will be embarking on a journey to London in December, and to that end, I have secured the contacts of potential SBs. One Japanese lady, 36, is asking for 500 pounds for 5-7 hours consisting of drinks and intimacy. She said that verbatim. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b3eac1e-1ba2-4464-966f-9a9893b48893[/URL].

My PPM is usually $400, but of course, I have done way more than that for the occasional unicorn.

My question is: is London that expensive, especially for a 36 year old, and what is the average PPM? I will post my reports after I come back in Jan 2025. Thank you all.[/QUOTE]Prices in much of England will be higher, not just London. Also prices in France tend to be higher too. Some of the worst countries in Europe to pickup women; especially England.

[QUOTE=Uncountable;2954077]Hello Gents,

I regularly post in the LA seeking thread at usasexguide, and it is customary to post links of seeking girls; however, I rarely see any links being posted here. Is it against the rules to do such? I have never used seeking outside of the States, but I will be embarking on a journey to London in December, and to that end, I have secured the contacts of potential SBs. One Japanese lady, 36, is asking for 500 pounds for 5-7 hours consisting of drinks and intimacy. She said that verbatim. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b3eac1e-1ba2-4464-966f-9a9893b48893[/URL].

My PPM is usually $400, but of course, I have done way more than that for the occasional unicorn.

My question is: is London that expensive, especially for a 36 year old, and what is the average PPM? I will post my reports after I come back in Jan 2025. Thank you all.[/QUOTE]Wow. I didn't know there was a Seeking thread on USAsexguide but I checked out a few pages of discussion. Looks like overpriced, overaged, overweight pros and warnings about who to avoid. Interesting. I guess the difference between that forum and the main contributors here has to do with girl type.

Because 99% of girls on Seeking are in fact scammers or not worth your time none of us would take the time to post about such things. It would just be too exhausting. We weed them out, avoid spending time beyond a message or two and try to find the gem. And once you find a gem on Seeking it becomes more a relationship thing albeit non traditional. So for me I would never pass around the Seeking girls I grow attached to. I did one time with another forum member and it felt really weird. Because the girls we seek are not pros. And most of us therefore don't want to treat them like pros. At least that's my perspective.

As to London yeah I think you will work pretty hard these days to find someone worthy at 400-500 . But as with all parts of the world if you put in time to find a Seeking gem there is absolutely nothing better. Closest thing to a no drama GF that the world has to offer. IMO.

[QUOTE=Laj505;2953630]Nice Place. Some of those girls have german genes. Price I found around 250 to 300 for entire day. For 3 day weekend its 700/800 max. But I would prefer changing girls everyday like I change clothes everyday.

Enjoy Buddy.[/QUOTE]Do very many of the girls in BA speak English? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Uncountable;2954077]Hello Gents,

I regularly post in the LA seeking thread at usasexguide, and it is customary to post links of seeking girls; however, I rarely see any links being posted here. Is it against the rules to do such? I have never used seeking outside of the States, but I will be embarking on a journey to London in December, and to that end, I have secured the contacts of potential SBs. One Japanese lady, 36, is asking for 500 pounds for 5-7 hours consisting of drinks and intimacy. She said that verbatim. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b3eac1e-1ba2-4464-966f-9a9893b48893[/URL].

My PPM is usually $400, but of course, I have done way more than that for the occasional unicorn.

My question is: is London that expensive, especially for a 36 year old, and what is the average PPM? I will post my reports after I come back in Jan 2025. Thank you all.[/QUOTE]I am also on the LA seeking section. It's easy to figure out who I am there.

I have done seeking in London twice. In my experience 500-600 pounds is the price point where nobody will say no unless they are basically high end call girls. Most normal girls will be totally happy with that. Last time in was there I had a 23 year old graphic designer, Russian, tiny little thing and she was totally fine with 500. Kept on messaging me nudes and stuff once I got back home, I think because I told her I come often (a lie) and she wanted to keep it all going.

[QUOTE=TooPicky2;2954231]Do very many of the girls in BA speak English? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Total crap shoot. But you can figure it out during your text interactions. Two of the three girls I have seen there had great English. But the last one (a last minute find) had ZERO. We actually had a great time. We just used Google translate but would actually SAY what the Google translate said. It was fucking hilarious for her to try to read the English out loud. She literally could not pronounce the English sounds. We both about died of laughter. So you can have a good time regardless.

Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?

I don't know you and don't want to judge but it sounds to me like you are bringing up two different issues.

1) Relationship fatigue.

2) Financial resentment.

1) Is natural in any relationship that starts off as quid pro quo, hell I had it toward every job I worked at before I became self employed. Not to mention the marginal SBs (those that I stopped seeing or let die out rather than them dumping me).

2) Sounds like you extend yourself maybe a little past your means to see her.

If you're done with her the answer is easy, if not, you need to make a hard choice about what you want vs what's best for you.

I've been hard dumped by two SBs that hurt, like a real relationship hurt. Tons of chemistry, we'd text daily and banter back and forth. Not once did I ever think about the money other than to make sure I had it before I saw her (never did venmo or the like, didn't want a trail so having cash is a bit of a chore).

I've seen maybe 3 or 4 that I just stopped contacting and they may have attempted a few times to get my attention but it eventually died without any formal closure. I never saw any of them regularly anyway so I'm guessing no feelings were hurt anyway.

I've been with my current SB for 1. 5 yrs. She's a total babe. Absolute doll, she could literally get anybody she wanted. I ask myself why she sees me weekly and I don't have a good answer. I don't particularly give her any more or less than any of the previous SBs, she drives a long way to see me in So Cal traffic, has a million things going on in her life but still makes time for me. There has to be a thousand guys between our houses that would happily give her what I give her. I feel the opposite of resent, I feel grateful and the feeling has gotten stronger with time. I'd like to think that I won't get hurt when it ends because I've got some experience to learn from but who the hell knows.

I guess if I started resenting a girl, that would be a signal that my mind is checking out on her and it's just a matter of time before I won't want to bang her.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2954356]Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?[/QUOTE]

Going to shoot you straight here. You are being unreasonable.

As a guy with 6500 posts you know the deal. A guy might like his job, like his boss, like his coworkers. But does that mean he's showing up if he doesn't get paid? No. That's part of the arrangement with a job.

I sometimes call out guys here for referring to their sugar babies as their girlfriends. Because the girl likes them, they have good times together, they both enjoy the sex. And I'm always the ahole who jumps in and says what needs to be said. If getting money is part of her being there, she's not your girlfriend. She might feel like one. And that's a wonderful illusion to indulge in. But it's a temporary illusion.

None of this is bad. Seeking is awesome. You get a rotating cast of younger women to indulge in, and all it takes is a little effort and some time. What a wonderful world this is. But live in this world. If you want a girlfriend, you can get a girlfriend. It just probably won't be a generational gap relationship that starts with paying her for dates. If we are being honest.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2954356]Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2954356]Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?[/QUOTE]You are spot on that SB is different from pure transactional sex and you def develop some feelings around it. But I do think the way you thought about it is a little odd / unhealthy. From my perspective an SB should be dating you because she enjoys being with you. But no hot 23 year old is going to naturally date an old man even if he's handsome and charismatic. So the $$ is to bridge the age gap. The $$ doesn't make her like you. But it does help her to justify dating someone she otherwise would never date.

So I end up looking at it as just the opposite. I am amazingly GRATEFUL they for a few hundred dollars I can date a girl that's 30 years younger than me that other guys can only dream of dating. Absolutely fucking grateful. 💯.

That said I think all of us resent the girls we don't a date that use pussy like a weapon to scam and charge ridiculous arrogant prices. But that's another thing. I've never felt anything but gratitude and affection for the girls I date on the regular.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2954537]You are spot on that SB is different from pure transactional sex and you def develop some feelings around it. But I do think the way you thought about it is a little odd / unhealthy.

So I end up looking at it as just the opposite. I am amazingly GRATEFUL they for a few hundred dollars I can date a girl that's 30 years younger than me that other guys can only dream of dating. Absolutely fucking grateful.[/QUOTE]I knew you would offer some helpful advice Steve. I agree that it's "odd / unhealthy". That's why I decided to ask about it as I go into this thing again. Like I said, I was surprised that I even had those feelings. Guess it would be best to just let those feelings go, and like you say, just enjoy the fact that I'm still out here fucking hot girls, whether they be tutes or a sugar baby. One thing that helps me to get those girls, besides the money, is that I don't look my age. People routinely guess 20 years younger! No smoking, no heavy drinking, exercise, weight control, eating better, and just plain genes!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2954537]You are spot on that SB is different from pure transactional sex and you def develop some feelings around it. But I do think the way you thought about it is a little odd / unhealthy. From my perspective an SB should be dating you because she enjoys being with you. But no hot 23 year old is going to naturally date an old man even if he's handsome and charismatic. So the $$ is to bridge the age gap. The $$ doesn't make her like you. But it does help her to justify dating someone she otherwise would never date.

So I end up looking at it as just the opposite. I am amazingly GRATEFUL they for a few hundred dollars I can date a girl that's 30 years younger than me that other guys can only dream of dating. Absolutely fucking grateful. 💯.

That said I think all of us resent the girls we don't a date that use pussy like a weapon to scam and charge ridiculous arrogant prices. But that's another thing. I've never felt anything but gratitude and affection for the girls I date on the regular.[/QUOTE]This. Spot on. That's a good way of saying it.

Live in reality. But also recognize how special that reality is and appreciate it. It's a privileged life we lead that the kinds of girls who turn heads are regularly across the table from us and then under us, and all it takes is a little effort and some money. Appreciate how unique and truly special that is. I'm getting more quality puss now than I did when I was a hot 22 year old. With far less effort. I don't need them to be my girlfriend to appreciate that.

The recent exchange made me want to write this for the newer folks who are getting their bearings. These are the rules of the game. Or at lease they should be.

1. She is not your girlfriend. You might like each other and have great sex. But if you're paying, it's not a GF.

2 Always wear a condom. I know you like bareback. We all do. But by the time a girl is doing this, she's been around the block plenty.

3. don't believe her great story. She's as good a liar as you are. Maybe better. This is not her first time because she just didn't find the right guy till you came along.

4. Don't give money in advance. Ever.

5. Always end cordially. Even if she's an awful person who screws you. A woman's accusation, warranted or not, can make your life hell. Just pay the fine and move on.

6. Listen to your instincts. If you're getting bad vibes, listen to your intuition. There's a lot of crazy out there in this game. It doesn't attract women with zero issues.

There are prob more. But that's a good core.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2954356]Guys,

I wanted to talk about an emotion I experienced when I had my sugar baby, and that would be one of resentment, which is something I have never felt so much when dealing with tutes. I mean, with a tute we both know exactly what it's all about. It's essentially transactional, which is fine by me. But with a sugar baby, what exactly is it? I mean, it's certainly not purely transactional (at least it wasn't between me and my sugar baby). But at the same time, the relationship certainly has a transactional component to it. I mean, she's not there if you're not putting out the money. And, I'm not there if she's not putting out the pussy. So, I guess my relationship with my sugar baby was something in between being purely transactional and a "full" relationship.

But at times, I just found myself feeling resentful to feel like we were "dating", but then we really kind of weren't. So, why do I have to keep giving her money to fuck? I'd be thinking, "Hey, I want to travel here and there. I can put the money aside to pay for that, or I can give some of it to her making it harder for me to save how I want to. Fuck that! I'm not giving it to her"! And so, with time I would get together with her less and less. I'm sure that contributed to her decision to move. She knew she couldn't count on me to keep giving her money all the time. I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing! She moved. Got married. She's hot. Lots of (stupid) guys would wed her just for that alone. I've tried to analyze why having transactional relationships with tutes doesn't bother me, but it did with my sugar baby. Why should it be different?

Any of you guys have this same feeling? One of resentment towards sugar babies, but not towards outright tutes? I did, and I didn't expect it. It just kind of happened and surprised me. I'm wondering if that's true for some of the rest of you here as well. Anybody else experience this emotion?[/QUOTE]If you are married, just accept that the SB thing is the closest you are going to get to a GF and keep the illusion alive. She is a hooker you are friends with it and it is nothing more. You can play around with words like love and the like but you are not leaving your wife for her.

If you are single and you want the relationship to advance, consider talking about it because SBs look for the same thing in a SD that they do in a BF or husband. Just keep in mind that if you have been paying a SB and want her to be your GF you are going to have to only see her if you want to be her BF. So guys who think they are going to advance with a hottie and not offer that up are nuts.

In the USA, the concept of seeing a woman and not paying her never happened. It did happen a little in Mexico and a lot in Colombia. That is when the woman is interested in you from the get go and does not bring up price or in one case I had a woman give me what we agreed on back. That is the only instance you can meet a seeking woman and play the field.

If you say of the woman, another guy is a sucker for marrying her to get pussy, then that tells me you really were not that serious about her. When you really care about someone, you are not going to be rationing our the money, and if she cares about you, she is not going to be rationing out the pussy and time. In fact, the women will demand more of your time if you are their one and only, and you enjoy them for more than just sex.

Of late, SA has reached out to me twice with an opportunity to speak about SA experience in media. Apparently, if selected they'd pay me.

I wonder how may of us will take that up given our desire / need for discretion.

I won't as I have more to lose than gain from such non-anonymous experience shring.

Review overdue.

Recently got back on SA after a hiatus. Tried local. Tier 2 city.

As usual, conversion ratio was poor. May scammers and way too many platinum pussies.

Narrowed to two.

Met the first one for a M&G knowing fully well there was going to be no action. Nice coffee and chat. Conversation flowed well. We liked each other. Discussed specifics. Settled on 250 and exchanging test results.

A week later, we had our test results and planned an afternoon date.

Met for brunch. Not too expensive but not a dive in either. More chat, more chemistry.

Then, we grabbed some beer / wine and headed to my dayuse room. I checked in first and texted her the room number.

She walks in, we opened a drink but before I could take a sip, she pounces on me, pushes me on bed, and whispers "I have been waiting for this".

She proceeds to unbutton my shirt, kiss me all over and gently nibble my nipples. Continues kissing down and unzipped me. Before I knew, she had me in her mouth. Given I have gone sexless for nearly 6 months, it was phenomenal. Within seconds, she climbs on me, undressed herself and took me on cowgirl. Quite a ride and within minutes I was nearly there. Pulled out forcefully and shot my load all the up her chin and falling back on my tummy. Sweet one, she cleaned me up and goes "I wanted to taste it. You shot soon". I explained her why I came early (6 months) while continuing the drink.

We chatted but about 15 minutes later, she was lying naked on her tummy. This time, I climbed on her from behind and slid inside. Epic fucking in this position for nearly 15 minutes. Then, swapped to Mish. Another 10 minutes. We stopped for rest and went doggie. She wanted to ride again and told me to warn her early. She rode me for a good 10 minutes and grew tired. I suggested finishing me blowjob. She gladly obliged. Sucked me balls and shaft for a good 10 minutes before I shot a load in her. She swallowed.

She went "I had been dreaming how you would taste ever since we met at the coffee place. You taste good".

She was concerned when I came quick first round but after the second she now thinks I'm the perfect long laster for her.

We are meeting again this week.

But before that, I have my meet and greet with the other girl today.