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[quote=optimist; 1389583]and my one experience i noted the ticket had 10%+ speed leeway before a fine kicks in. if you were doing 56kph instead of 50kph there is a good chance the authorities will not try to collect the fine as it is so marginal. [/quote]
that's correct, but if he received a ticket stating speed was 56km / h then the tolerance has already been deducted.
hb
received my ticket from landeshauptstadt wiesbaden requesting payment of 15 eur in the mail yesterday with an original mailing date of 2/12. if google translate is correct, it says to send them the 15 eur to keep the speeding warning off of my permanent driving record within a week.
burma
It's a minor issue. So if you pay. Over and done with.
HB
[quote=burma jones; 1390071]received my ticket from landeshauptstadt wiesbaden requesting payment of 15 eur in the mail yesterday with an original mailing date of 2/12. if google translate is correct, it says to send them the 15 eur to keep the speeding warning off of my permanent driving record within a week.
burma[/quote]i suggest you pay it. otherwise it will become more expensive.
except if you are from outside the eu and don't plan to return to germany for the next 2 years; in that case, you don't have to bother.
[quote=optimist;1389583]in my one experience i noted the ticket had 10%+ speed leeway before a fine kicks in.[/quote]be careful with that though. usually the leeway is 3 km/h (for measurement uncertainty) , not 10%. i have been fined once for driving 52 (55 minus 3) in a 50 zone. haha.
[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1390331]I suggest you pay it. Otherwise it will become more expensive.
Except if you are from outside the EU and don't plan to return to Germany for the next 2 years; in that case, you don't have to bother.[/QUOTE]Yeah, just pay it for peace of mind. 15 Euros is nothing.
[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1389247]I think all board members should e aware that this writer reminds me of our good friend supercum500 who makes indepth research but never actually make a trip or write a report on his trips. I think lets just ignore Supercum![/QUOTE]Who are you to impose your will over others. Do you have a keener insight into the direction their life should be taking? Is it because you "know best"?
Where does it state on this forum that asking questions is repaid with a trip report? Not everyone here writes a trip report but all do ask questions to better equip themselves for a trip. I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works.
[quote=swingerlover; 1390331]i suggest you pay it. otherwise it will become more expensive.
except if you are from outside the eu and don't plan to return to germany for the next 2 years; in that case, you don't have to bother.[/quote]this doesn't make sense to me. if i don't pay but keep renting cars in germany it will get more expensive, if i don't visit germany it will go away? so three years down three years down the road its wiped off anyone's record? and just how would they collect a fine if you live outside the eu? most fines have an 'incentive' to pay them, they won't renew your license is one. what form of punishment can they come up with that would make you 'want to pay' the speeding ticket? are they going to refuse my entrance into the country on a speeding fine? have the car rental company charge me extra for the fine? what if you don't rent a car and use public transportation for two years after the ticket? they need a recourse to collect these fines. most of the speeding camera's in the state's are operated by a third party, there's no points on your license. you just get a fine in the mail. and if you take it to court, there's no 'officer' to prove that you were speeding. most of these are thrown out. only reason these camera's are still taking pictures is because people fork over the cash without fighting the ticket. unless you can prove to me that by getting a speeding ticket by a traffic camera in germany will result in my arrest, being kept out of the country or arrest i'd have to say ignore any letters they send you.
[quote=breadman;1390702]this doesn't make sense to me. if i don't pay but keep renting cars in germany it will get more expensive, if i don't visit germany it will go away? so three years down three years down the road its wiped off anyone's record? and just how would they collect a fine if you live outside the eu? most fines have an 'incentive' to pay them, they won't renew your license is one. what form of punishment can they come up with that would make you 'want to pay' the speeding ticket? are they going to refuse my entrance into the country on a speeding fine? have the car rental company charge me extra for the fine? what if you don't rent a car and use public transportation for two years after the ticket? they need a recourse to collect these fines. most of the speeding camera's in the state's are operated by a third party, there's no points on your license. you just get a fine in the mail. and if you take it to court, there's no 'officer' to prove that you were speeding. most of these are thrown out. only reason these camera's are still taking pictures is because people fork over the cash without fighting the ticket. unless you can prove to me that by getting a speeding ticket by a traffic camera in germany will result in my arrest, being kept out of the country or arrest i'd have to say ignore any letters they send you.[/quote]if you don't visit germany in the next three years, statute of limitations will wipe the ticket out.
if you do visit germany, car rental agencies will continue renting to you since the violation does not affect them. however, if you were to be pulled over for whatever reason, the polizei will find out you have an outstanding unanswered violation and that's when things get interesting to say the least especially if you are stopped in the same jurisdiction as the previous violation. it is 15 eur now but the fine will increase due to penalties for not paying. not worth 15 eur even if they haul you to the station for a couple of hours and let you go afterwards. as for paying, i believe the letter should have included instructions for your local bank to use for remittance.
i highly doubt they will stop you at the border since it's such a minor "crime" in the grand scheme of things and it will be hard to stop you say if you enter / exit from another schengen country.
first of all let me say that i'm no lawyer and this is in no way to be taken as any legal advice! when in doubt consult an attorney at law or the justice department! what i write here is only what i know from experience and common sense and what i expect what might happen. that said:
[quote=trans atlantic;1390989]if you don't visit germany in the next three years, statute of limitations will wipe the ticket out.[/quote]that's exactly how i see it. although i'm not sure about the 3 year period.
[quote]however, if you were to be pulled over for whatever reason, the polizei will find out you have an outstanding unanswered violation and that's when things get interesting to say the least especially if you are stopped in the same jurisdiction as the previous violation. it is 15 eur now but the fine will increase due to penalties for not paying. not worth 15 eur even if they haul you to the station for a couple of hours and let you go afterwards.[/quote]yes, that might happen. also: i'm pretty sure that the 15-€-ticket is just a "verwarnung" (warning). if paid, it's over. if not, a "bußgeldbescheid" (fine) will follow; more expensive and with propably 29 € of bureaucracy cost attached to it. that one will then have to be challenged in court, if not paid. otherwise it will become legal after 4 or 6 weeks with no more chance to fight it. from then on it's all a matter of jurisdiction and enforcement.
[quote=breadman;1390702]this doesn't make sense to me. if i don't pay but keep renting cars in germany it will get more expensive, if i don't visit germany it will go away? so three years down three years down the road its wiped off anyone's record? and just how would they collect a fine if you live outside the eu?[/quote]that's what i meant by "except if you are from outside the eu". how indeed would they collect it? it will not go away if you don't visit germany, but it may get killed by statute of limitations. but if they catch you in germany before the statute of limitaions has run out they will enforce it. and by then you will not only get a 15 € warning, but a real fine plus some bureaucracy cost attached to it, which will in all likelyhood be higher than the fine itself. that's what i mean with "it will get more expensive". if it actually is enforced. and it's not about visiting germany, but about jurisdictions where they can enforce it or not.
[quote]and if you take it to court, there's no 'officer' to prove that you were speeding. most of these are thrown out. only reason these camera's are still taking pictures is because people fork over the cash without fighting the ticket. unless you can prove to me that by getting a speeding ticket by a traffic camera in germany will result in my arrest, being kept out of the country or arrest i'd have to say ignore any letters they send you.[/quote]you will most likely not be arrested or kept out of the country. but if they catch you with an out-standing ticket they will make you pay it. maybe they will prevent you from driving any further, i don't know. it's all a question of enforcement. first they must find you again and know that there is an unpaid fine. and if you are in their jurisdiction, they will find a way to enforce it. of course you can challenge it in court. you might even win. but are 15 € worth the trouble of spending time in a court, with traveling back and forth? even if you can claim court cost and travel expenses if you win, it's a waste of time. i'd rather spend that time at a bareback party. and if you go to an apartmentparty in krefeld instead of a club like laluna moers or spermagames, you'll save enough to pay four 15-€-speeding-tickets.
Google "Gesetz über Ordnungswidrigkeiten" and refer to section 34. That is where I got the "3 years" from. You probably need to lay low for 3 years plus several months since the authorities have several months before they have to charge someone with the crime or drop the case. The 3 year clock starts ticking only when the "challenge period" for the fine has expired not from the violation date.
After reading the pros and cons over the past few days, I decided for my own peace of mind to send an EFT for 15 EUR to the address printed on the bottom of the warning this morning. Total cost with the exchange rate was $20. 12. With trips planned for April and September, an unpaid ticket that would always be hanging over my head is one less thing to worry about. Thanks for all the help and advice.
Burma
Anyone know the name of a store in Dusseldorf airport where I can buy a data SIM car?
Hi guys,
I am flying to Weeze, and will arrive around 11:00pm on Friday night.
I am due to fly back on Sunday at 10:00pm.
Can someone recommend an itenary for me?
Which clubs should I visit, where should I stay (hotel) , and how should I get around (hire car, public transport, taxi)
Much appreciated.
Messiah
[QUOTE=Wwviews; 1398961]I am flying to Weeze, and will arrive around 11:00pm on Friday night. I am due to fly back on Sunday at 10:00pm. Can someone recommend an itenary for me?
Which clubs should I visit, where should I stay (hotel) , and how should I get around (hire car, public transport, taxi) [/QUOTE]Closest big club to Weeze may be GT but since it closes at 2 am I'd drive to ACA or DV both closing at 5 am or Magnum which closes at 7 am. All 3 clubs are just over an hour away by car.
On Saturday go to GT then hop over to LR taking advantage of the 25 euro discount when GT gets too busy.
Clubs are not close together in DUSS so a car is a must.