Hong Kong Club Reports

To provide accurate assessment of security risks in Tijuana, the fact is I have been going to Tijuana for over 15 years, driving and walking from and to the border to La Zona, mostly late at night. I have never been robbed, threatened, stolen, assaulted by anyone. I were stopped and searched a few times by policias but never lost anything, except recently my friend let policia rifle through his wallet and lost $120.

I used to enjoy hanging out on the Liberty Path on sunny weekends, sitting under the straw palapas on sidewalk, gawking pretty, long-legged young tourists, drinking cold $1 beers, eating 3 for $1 tacos, flirting with the young meseras. This walk used to be lively on weekends with hundreds tourists, trinket carts and cheap tacos shops: Liberty Plaza and walking path behind the border McDonalds, the bridge over the Tijuana river to the Mercado de Artesannias, the Wax Museum, El Arco, Ave Revolution, Hotel Nelson, the trinkets plaza, Calle 1, Ave. Constitucion, Bar Malquerida, Callejon Coahuila, the bar block with Hong Kong Club and hotel Cascada.

But after 2008 there were hardly any tourists. Vendors went away, stores, bars, restaurants, arts shops closed off. It's a very sad scene that lots of good, honest people lost their livelihood.

While I encourage the bros to branch out of La Zona to enjoy the cultural life of Tijuana near El Arco and Ave Revolution during the day time on weekends when there are lots of people around, encouraging newbies to walk all the way to the Wax museum just to buy Fiagras to save a few buck is a very dumb idea. The risks of being robbed and injured just far outweigh any savings. There are plenty of reputable Pharmacias at the corner of Constitucion and Calle 1 whose prices are not much higher.

While on the road anywhere in the world, have no fear, but make sure you are always on the winning side every time!

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1983915]The supposed danger of this path is wildly overstated. Every time I go to zona, I'm making a daytime bombing run, and I ALWAYS walk from entry in PedEast, across the plaza, and the bridge, to the arch and into the zona. And I ALWAYS walk back, in daylight, past the arch, across the bridge, and the plaza, into PedWest. I grew up around New York, and I also lived in Chicago for a couple of years. During the daytime, I would honestly say that the walk to the zona to and from the border is not any more dangerous than walking around either of those two major American cities during the daytime. Honestly, the biggest hazard is the crappy, irregular pavement on the sidewalks due to construction between PedEast and the plaza, and stepping in .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PdSuave;1983900]Without sounding too vanilla, what exactly is a choke hold? (unless it's exactly what is sounds like, one thug holds you while the other robs you?[/QUOTE]One thug approaches you from behind. He wraps his arm around your neck and squeezes one or more pressure points to the point of making you unconscious.

Often working in pairs, while other locals look the other way, your pockets are emptied by the rateros quickly, often before you gain consciousness.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1983915]The supposed danger of this path is wildly overstated.[/QUOTE]I agree with #2041 that your greater financial risk is in dealing with the Tijuana policia. Just remember to initially hold all your cash in your hands immediately when being stopped by Tijuana Policia.

I personally know dozens of mongers. I walk in the areas we are talking about 40 to 50 times a year, as do most of them.

We pass around stories and information that we gather by speaking to others and reading these monger boards and travel sites. I personally know only two mongers that were victimized by chock-hold like assaults in daylight hours, inside LZ, and in both cases their monetary losses were in the $40 to $50 ranges. They both continue to walk the same areas today.

In November my son was robbed on Revo while walking alone at 5:30 AM at the Hotel Alaska mural after drinking in bars on Revo. He, and you should take taxis at night.

I don't intend to make light of the risks. They certainly exist. But neither I, nor #2041, have been mugged despite hundreds of times where we walked around outside of La Zona. If it ever happens to me, it will simply be the cost of doing business.

It looked more like a weekday. Seemed like different girls and more 6's than 8's. Did a few rounds up and down looking for one I liked. Upstairs looking down I saw a 8+ that looked naked but most likely a floss thong and pasties. I went down to ask her for a go but when I went down she was gone. I decided to walk back to the front before I exited and looped the standing girls. A chica grabbed my arm and said arriba. I chuckled and asked how much. She said 80 so I did the no reply trick and she lowered to 70 but then she did a pants check and her hand brought the flag up and she said 80. I said OK how about pesos and she said 1800 (damn) and I'm sucking it (negotiation over). CBJ but she was competing with the porn TV. Then yes, cowgirl and before I knew it a knock on the door which kicked in the turbo to her dyson. Room was 350 pesos and similar to Adelitas. Girl was thick and curvy (not BBW) and most likely early to mid 20's. She mentioned it was dead because of the gas price fighting. I forgot to ask about any previous shooting but she said she hadn't been around in a while.

[QUOTE=PdSuave;1983900]Without sounding too vanilla, what exactly is a choke hold? (unless it's exactly what is sounds like, one thug holds you while the other robs you?[/QUOTE]It's exactly what you think it is. It's also pretty rare unless you wander into dark alleys.

This is my first visit to HK in the New Year. January 8th, Sunday Mid day. Ghost town. Anyway, decided to sit and have a cold one alone. Then I saw one of my past favorites from a distance. The music from "Jaws" started to come to mind. She sat down and said, "you remember me"? She then said, "I want your warm vitamins on my body" WTF! Where in the hell do these chicas get these phrases? What the hell, one fischa and I will be on my way. I sat there listening to the chica blah blah blah. She did her normal chica move, rubbing on leg then my dick. She said, "she was ready for her vitamins". I said, "maybe next time". She said, okay, okay, okay, it has been real slow, I need some money, how about a quickly? I said, what is a quicky? She called the mesero over and move us to VIP room on the second level above the main stage. What the hell, I agreed to get on this train not knowing where the stop would be and how much the ticket was. WTF! When we got up there, she said she would be back. As I was sitting there looking out over the main stage, a chica just started to dance to a vacant audience.

She returned with a small baggie. The mesero left. She pushed one of the tables in front of the door. Took her g-string off, took some lube out, rubbed it between her legs, grabbed the pole with both hands (dog style position), looked over her shoulder at me and said, this is a quicky. She then said hurry up. WTF! As I was getting going, I was watching all of the activity of the main floor and banging this chica from behind. I must say it was pretty exciting in a perverse way. I told her I was getting ready to pop, she quickly turned around and got on her knees, and look up at me and said what am I waiting for!, my finish was a partial chica facial and boobs shot. She quickly used some baby wipes out of the baggie to clean her self up and took some of the beer and poured it on the drippings on the floor. After she cleaned herself, she stood over me with her hands on her hips and said, that is a quickly, pay me! And do not be cheap! WTF!

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1983979]It's exactly what you think it is. It's also pretty rare unless you wander into dark alleys.[/QUOTE]I'm mostly like you, a daytime bomber. I fly solo, since none of my friends have that mongering gene as I do. I'm 6'1, around 200 lbs, which I know doesn't make a difference if up against multiple thugs, but I'm just curious what a target is. Someone who dresses well, looks like they have money? I just want to get that first visit done, gain familiarity so when I go back, I know exactly where I'm going and not look lost! I guess that just screams "newbie" LOL. Thanks again for your feedback brother!

I got attacked with a choke hold on a weekend walk up Constitucion in front of Hotel Riviera on the sidewalk last month. One ratero surprise attacks you and chokes off your air from behind while the other trips you then goes after your wallet. You don't see their faces. Luckily I lost only a coin purse with a few dollars because my wallet was hidden, but the area was well lit with plenty of people around and I felt safe. The attack takes less than a minute or two. I bought some "Strike Spikes. Attaches to the Back of Your Cap" on Amazon so if I get another choke hold I can jam the spikes into the Ratero's face while he has me by the neck to get free. Also recommend not walking on the sidewalk. Stay in the street where the rateros cannot jump out of an alley or door and get you by the neck.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1983979]It's exactly what you think it is. It's also pretty rare unless you wander into dark alleys.[/QUOTE]

The chokehold robberies are practiced in Mexico and countries in Central America. One cholo grabs you from behind, his arm choking your neck, choking off your air pipe and aortas until you pass out very quickly, like within 10 seconds. Local people will look on but won't interfere within the 15 to 20 seconds while the cholos rob you on the sidewalk. And they won't help you or policias to investigate.

They then rob you of everything, stealing your shoes and your pants so you cannot chase them and have to walk back to La Lineas butt naked waiting for hours among thousands tourists to go home. The thieves may have already used the victim's IDs to cross the border ahead of him.

About 3 years back, 2 separate times near the tacos stands full of people on Ninos about 9 PM, I saw 2 older well-dressed men got knocked on their heads bloody, robbed and left to bleed on the sidewalk. People continued to eat unfazed. The tacos guys called policias. 4 fat and lazy local pigs arrived in about 15 minutes to file reports. I have not seen any crimes near La Zona recently besides a few reported cartels' shootings. There are now more policias patrols on foot and on trucks around La Zona, and security has gotten better in my observations.

Chokeholds happened not too frequently but has been reported a few times in the last 4 years by the bros in ISG, the latest one in the alley across Coahuila from Adelita, next to the OXXO store and Mermaids Massage. Tijuana has a lot of hungry, broke and desperate people, deported criminals, drugs traffickers and human coyotes, migrants and vagabonds, all converging in the small slums surrounding La Zona, waiting to cross into the US. I suspected it happened a lot more frequently to Mexicans but went unreported.

Every time I walk in La Zona, even around the high-security bar block, filthy, hungry, scruffy guys would have their eyes on me, waiting for the opportunity to strike. I always stay alert, looking around as I walk, holding a sharp "tool" in my pocket, ready to strike back real hard. If I think some guys are following me, I would stop with my back against the wall ready for counter attacks. I guess I am one of those tough guys who just hates to be taken advantaged of by stupid, greedy criminals.

The probability of choke hold for normal and alert tourists with street smart in Tijuana will be much higher than that for poor, penniless local people, perhaps 1 in 30,000 every day based on about 1,000 mongers and 2 million local residents, or about 1 assault every 30 days. But if a gringo walks into dark alleys near La Zona by himself late at night, well, his assault probability will be very near 100%.

It only has to happen to a monger once to ruin his life completely or even death if he gets knifed or bashed over the head. Try every smart ways to even further reduce the probability of assaults and robberies in Tijuana. Use lots of caution and prevention. Stay safe and healthy to party in the bars and enjoy the companies of the young, sweet, sexy and pretty Tijuana chicas.

[QUOTE=PdSuave;1983900]Without sounding too vanilla, what exactly is a choke hold? (unless it's exactly what is sounds like, one thug holds you while the other robs you?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;1983928]To provide accurate assessment of security risks in Tijuana, the fact is I have been going to Tijuana for over 15 years, driving and walking from and to the border to La Zona, mostly late at night. I have never been robbed, threatened, stolen, assaulted by anyone. I were stopped and searched a few times by policias but never lost anything, except recently my friend let policia rifle through his wallet and lost $120.

I used to enjoy hanging out on the Liberty Path on sunny weekends, sitting under the straw palapas on sidewalk, gawking pretty, long-legged young tourists, drinking cold $1 beers, eating 3 for $1 tacos, flirting with the young meseras. This walk used to be lively on weekends with hundreds tourists, trinket carts and cheap tacos shops: Liberty Plaza and walking path behind the border McDonalds, the bridge over the Tijuana river to the Mercado de Artesannias, the Wax Museum, El Arco, Ave Revolution, Hotel Nelson, the trinkets plaza, Calle 1, Ave. Constitucion, Bar Malquerida, Callejon Coahuila, the bar block with Hong Kong Club and hotel Cascada.
[/QUOTE]Thanks Cap Solo, very helpful info, I will be in town for business in few weeks and looking to get info on good stripclub / bars where anything goes.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;1984003]The chokehold robberies are practiced in Mexico and countries in Central America. One cholo grabs you from behind, his arm choking your neck, choking off your air pipe and aortas until you pass out very quickly, like within 10 seconds. Local people will look on but won't interfere within the 15 to 20 seconds while the cholos rob you on the sidewalk. And they won't help you or policias to investigate.

They then rob you of everything, stealing your shoes and your pants so you cannot chase them and have to walk back to La Lineas butt naked waiting for hours among thousands tourists to go home. The thieves may have already used the victim's IDs to cross the border ahead of him.

About 3 years back, 2 separate times near the tacos stands full of people on Ninos about 9 PM, I saw 2 older well-dressed men got knocked on their heads bloody, robbed and left to bleed on the sidewalk. People continued to eat unfazed. The tacos guys called policias. 4 fat and lazy local pigs arrived in about 15 minutes to file reports. I have not seen any crimes near La Zona recently besides a few reported cartels' shootings. There are now more policias patrols on foot and on trucks around La Zona, and security has gotten better in my observations..[/QUOTE]Kinda seems like Tijuana is best during daylight hours. The pussy may not be as nice, but like you say, risk vs reward is not worth the risk. Besides, I'm sure there are plenty of pretties to be had mid day. Like so many have posted, I just don't trust the policia or the desperate local thugs. Seems that it gets worse as the sun goes down. I'm a simple man, with a serious desire for young Mexican beauties. But all the Figras, Viagras, Cialis in the world won't help raise the flag if there is a worry of getting rolled. Which is a legit fear down there. Sad really. Take out the bad element, I bet Tijuana is a mongers paradise!

The Tall Mans brief trip report goes like this. Parked in the lot behind the Jack in the Box Friday about 3 PM. Took a $5 cab ride to Rizo de Oro and got a room (not to busy). After getting settled in my room had a few street tacos and about 7 PM made my way into HK and had a beer, just checking out the scene. For the hell of it walked the alley and noticed half or less of street girls than normal.

Made my way over to Aditias Bar and I must say the gorditas are taking over this club. Had a beer and after seeing NOTHING that I would stick your dick into so left after 20 minutes.

Next checked out Tropical Bar, it's now about 9 PM and nothing worth even dropping a beer on, matter-of-fact My 2 hours spent last night (Saturday January 7th) in TB with my buddy and I must say the selection and quality of girls was dismal at best, nothing, nothing, nothing so headed over to HK.

On Friday HK had a decent albeit one half of normal selection of girls but last night (Saturday January 7th) was the worst I have seen in years in terms of selection and quality. We all know that HK can be finicky but chalk it up to holidays and the gas problems in Baja Mexico but again the worst I have seen HK, AB and BT in many many years.

Fortunately I have 2 favorites that kept me busy both Friday and Saturday but if not for these two I would have returned home early Saturday morning.

Hope the selection, quantity and quality improves over the next month and get back to normal.

Happy New Year all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=PdSuave;1983983]I'm mostly like you, a daytime bomber. I fly solo, since none of my friends have that mongering gene as I do. I'm 6'1, around 200 lbs, which I know doesn't make a difference if up against multiple thugs, but I'm just curious what a target is. Someone who dresses well, looks like they have money? I just want to get that first visit done, gain familiarity so when I go back, I know exactly where I'm going and not look lost! I guess that just screams "newbie" LOL. Thanks again for your feedback brother![/QUOTE]It is best to try to dress like a local of modest means: Jeans (not dress slacks or shorts) T-shirts rather than dress shirts, no jewelry or expensive watches or cell phones in outer cases attached to your belt. You don't need to dress nicely or richly to seek out and score with prostitutes in Tijuana's LZ.

The biggest target you can have to turn you into a mugging victim or policia shake-down victim is to appear loud, drunk or loopy on the street. There are some mongers who's MO is to get plowed in the bars as soon as they get to La Zona. When they write their reports it is generally mostly about how smashed they and their friends got in LZ, with very little written about the things they did with bar girls, other than buying them ficha drinks. When these drunk guys leave the bars, they don't just imagine that all these folks on the street are staring at them. The locals are staring at them, and sizing them up for the next violent score before the tipsy mongers get into their cars to drive home drunk.

See what I told you? Choke holds probably happen frequently but likely went unreported most time. We just don't know everything and all that happened.

Even tough Navy Crotch Diving Seals like Travv got choke hold. Lucky he did not lose his wallet, his shoes and his pants. Would be so funny to see our bro Travv butt naked, shaking, freezing his ass off with his dick sticking out in front of his shirt, waiting in line for hours among hundreds curious pedestrians to cross back. These stupid cholos are so hungry and insane with their drugs addictions, they could care less.

The Strike Spikes is a very good idea. I have to buy a few for my cap. Walking in the middle of the streets is also a good idea. Just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on any cars that try to run you down heads on. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Travv;1984002]I got attacked with a choke hold on a weekend walk up Constitucion in front of Hotel Riviera on the sidewalk last month. One ratero surprise attacks you and chokes off your air from behind while the other trips you then goes after your wallet. You don't see their faces. Luckily I lost only a coin purse with a few dollars because my wallet was hidden, but the area was well lit with plenty of people around and I felt safe. The attack takes less than a minute or two. I bought some "Strike Spikes. Attaches to the Back of Your Cap" on Amazon so if I get another choke hold I can jam the spikes into the Ratero's face while he has me by the neck to get free. Also recommend not walking on the sidewalk. Stay in the street where the rateros cannot jump out of an alley or door and get you by the neck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;1984003]The chokehold robberies are practiced in Mexico and countries in Central America. One cholo grabs you from behind, his arm choking your neck, choking off your air pipe and aortas until you pass out very quickly, like within 10 seconds. Local people will look on but won't interfere within the 15 to 20 seconds while the cholos rob you on the sidewalk. And they won't help you or policias to investigate.

They then rob you of everything, stealing your shoes and your pants so you cannot chase them and have to walk back to La Lineas butt naked waiting for hours among thousands tourists to go home. The thieves may have already used the victim's IDs to cross the border ahead of him.

About 3 years back, 2 separate times near the tacos stands full of people on Ninos about 9 PM, I saw 2 older well-dressed men got knocked on their heads bloody, robbed and left to bleed on the sidewalk. People continued to eat unfazed. The tacos guys called policias. 4 fat and lazy local pigs arrived in about 15 minutes to file reports. I have not seen any crimes near La Zona recently besides a few reported cartels' shootings. There are now more policias patrols on foot and on trucks around La Zona, and security has gotten better in my observations.

Chokeholds happened not too frequently but has been reported a few times in the last 4 years by the bros in ISG, the latest one in the alley across Coahuila from Adelita, next to the OXXO store and Mermaids Massage. Tijuana has a lot of hungry, broke and desperate people, deported criminals, drugs traffickers and human coyotes, migrants and vagabonds, all converging in the small slums surrounding La Zona, waiting to cross into the US. I suspected it happened a lot more frequently to Mexicans but went unreported.

Every time I walk in La Zona, even around the high-security bar block, filthy, hungry, scruffy guys would have their eyes on me, waiting for the opportunity to strike. I always stay alert, looking around as I walk, holding a sharp "tool" in my pocket, ready to strike back real hard. If I think some guys are following me, I would stop with my back against the wall ready for counter attacks. I guess I am one of those tough guys who just hates to be taken advantaged of by stupid, greedy criminals.

The probability of choke hold for normal and alert tourists with street smart in Tijuana will be much higher than that for poor, penniless local people, perhaps 1 in 30,000 every day based on about 1,000 mongers and 2 million local residents, or about 1 assault every 30 days. But if a gringo walks into dark alleys near La Zona by himself late at night, well, his assault probability will be very near 100%.

It only has to happen to a monger once to ruin his life completely or even death if he gets knifed or bashed over the head. Try every smart ways to even further reduce the probability of assaults and robberies in Tijuana. Use lots of caution and prevention. Stay safe and healthy to party in the bars and enjoy the companies of the young, sweet, sexy and pretty Tijuana chicas.[/QUOTE]In my life, I've been mugged once. It was in a high-end residential neighborhood in San Francisco, in front of my friend's house, late at night. The guy pulled a 22 caliber gun on me, and I gave him all of my cash, maybe $150 - the money is gone, but I was not hurt, and I just moved on. I don't stop living my life because I got mugged at gunpoint 10 years ago in a nice neighborhood in San Francisco. And, as I mentioned, I have spent a lot of time in New York and Chicago, and Tijuana. The neighborhood that I got mugged in at gunpoint in San Francisco was nicer than 95% of the places in New York and Chicago, and nicer than 99.999% of Tijuana. It's frankly, unbelievably silly to avoid walking in populated neighborhoods in broad daylight in a major city anywhere, because of some miniscule chance that you can be a victim of a property crime. You can be a victim of a property crime anywhere. If you are smart, you can mitigate the loss of property, and you can insure that the ONLY negative consequence is whatever cash you have on your person at the time that it happens. At that point, it is, as was mentioned earlier by ScatManDo, just a cost of doing business and living your life. If you want to let that prevent you from living your life, that's your business, but you might as well spend the rest of your life locked up in a vault. Because it's probably more dangerous to your well being to drive on the freeways in Southern California during commute hours.