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I spent a month before my trip getting names and WA numbers. This is my first time here. I've only been with 2 women. They both accepted 100 usd. Many have asked for $200 - 300, which for South America not willing to pay.
The first one I met named julie is thirty one and does everything I want including anal.
The second one I met was twenty one and did BBFS.
Went to an online provider she was 18 $150 and was BBFS.
Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Jbj64;2956094]I spent a month before my trip getting names and WA numbers. This is my first time here. I've only been with 2 women. They both accepted 100 usd. Many have asked for $200 - 300, which for South America not willing to pay.
The first one I met named julie is thirty one and does everything I want including anal.
The second one I met was twenty one and did BBFS.
Went to an online provider she was 18 $150 and was BBFS.
Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Yes, BBFS is pretty common on sugar sites. I've been on Seeking and SugardaddyMeet for a few years and only had 2 or 3 girls who were dead set against BBFS even after a second meetup.
[QUOTE=Bromigo;2956029]Hi all!
Long-term lurker here on the forum, and thought it would be time to give back a little bit.
I'm M30, and started on seeking autumn 2020, and I'm based out of one of the Nordic countries.
Nordics and Baltics is a place that is often overlooked, and I find it to be a little gem. Been using it to have fun weekends. Booking a spa hotel, having some nice dinner, and a lot of fun in bed.
What I've noticed so far is that the market is there, but it is not that many super Nordic girls. Instead there's a lot of exchange students, aupairs, and people that recently moved with their families for other reasons. The Nordic girls often want about 500 for a few hours. However, there are lot of gems, that are happy to either just getting a weekend away, or with a weekend contribution of about 200 in addition to the weekend away..[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, yes I definitely don't hear much about this part of the world. I think for some of us, the term "nordic model" (ie the purchase of sex is illegal, but being a hooker is legal) comes to mind so it's overlooked. Glad to hear the your have good luck over there. What platforms are you using mostly? Seeking / SDM something else?
[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2939019]Having been banned from [url=https://seeking.com/]SA[/url] after several years, I have been on [url=https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/]SDM[/url] which is about the same. I was banned on Seeking for discussing the $$ of PPM in response to a woman's question, and she reported me. However, you can discuss PPM on the SDM site without being banned. The problem is that Craigslist banned prostitutes several years ago, so now the scammers and hookers are on Seeking and SDM. Unless you want that activity you need to weed them out.
I have always found the women I want to be with by requiring a meeting in a restaurant. I do not discuss monthly allowance or amount of PPM until I meet in a restaurant. They I get prepared for an argument, like they want to be on the same page before they waste their time. These women are not interested in anything but money, so I say "bye. " I try to find out about their last arrangement and do the same, pay the same amount and usually they will tell me the amount. I do not make an offer until the end of dinner, and only if I genuinely like the woman. I am not interested in overweight, nor bossy ***** es. And I do not try to have sex with them that same meetup night for 2 reasons: first I want no pressure and want to give them time to decide if they genuinely like me and I really like them. Secondly, I am too tired from having sex with the roster I have of 5-6 women I am already having arrangements with, unknown to them. I have 2 who are happy with $200 a meeting and I have been seeing one for 5 years now, the other for 2. Recently I have increased my PPM to 400-500 for a weekly meeting with bedroom time, and have found this to be more appropriate for the top teer women, and they are more affectionate knowing they will be better taken care of.[/QUOTE]Yes, I think once you've been banned from Seeking you have basically get a new email / credit card payment and they might still try and track you by address. I honestly don't know why they are so bent on driving away customers, but I guess it's about being really worried they'll be targeted like Backpage was a few years ago. Personally I have accounts on both, but I prefer [URL]sugardaddymeet.com[/URL] too becasue of the same reasons: cost and not having to worry they're going to ban me becasue one of the girls complains about me or I say something that sounds too much like an offer for PPM. The good thing is, once you get them off the Seeking, most seem to prefer PPM. I, too, started off with $220 per meeting, but it seems like $3-400 is now the starting point.
I like the restaurant idea and yes that what I try with someone new as well to get an idea what they are like, that way you have an out if she doesn't give a good vibe. I think when I first started using Seeking about 8 years ago I clearly missed a lot of the signs when things were going to go south. Thanks for this, this is good advice.
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;2956130]Yes, BBFS is pretty common on sugar sites. I've been on Seeking and SugardaddyMeet for a few years and only had 2 or 3 girls who were dead set against BBFS even after a second meetup.[/QUOTE]The one and only sugaring arrangement I ever had was BBFS with cum inside (her tubes were tied). And that was at $250 per meet in a Tier 1 city. Was a steal of a deal with a real hottie!
[QUOTE=Vendelo;2943101]When using Seeking, I message back and forth and wait for the girl to ask about what I am proposing. I always reply: with intimacy or not? That sets the expectation that there will or will not be sex.[/QUOTE]Honestly, this is one reason I prefer SDM over Seeking; you don't have to worry too much about talking about sex or mentioning compensation. Though I think these days girls know what these sites are about, when you say "spend time with", they usually assume that it involves sex. The girls who tend to be looking for non-sexual meetings put something in their profile or mention it when messaging.
[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2954560]The recent exchange made me want to write this for the newer folks who are getting their bearings. These are the rules of the game. Or at lease they should be.
1. She is not your girlfriend. You might like each other and have great sex. But if you're paying, it's not a GF.
2 Always wear a condom. I know you like bareback. We all do. But by the time a girl is doing this, she's been around the block plenty.
3. don't believe her great story. She's as good a liar as you are. Maybe better. This is not her first time because she just didn't find the right guy till you came along.
4. Don't give money in advance. Ever.
5. Always end cordially. Even if she's an awful person who screws you. A woman's accusation, warranted or not, can make your life hell. Just pay the fine and move on.
6. Listen to your instincts. If you're getting bad vibes, listen to your intuition. There's a lot of crazy out there in this game. It doesn't attract women with zero issues.
There are prob more. But that's a good core.[/QUOTE]Good advice here, especially number 6, for Seeking / SDM or any other sugar site too.
I'm calling it here. I work in strategy and I know the signs.
Seeking has been asking people to participate in focus groups. They have also been asking people if they want to be featured in news coverage about the site. And lately promo codes aren't working as much (none are active as this minute).
They almost certainly have a marketing consultant or inside team working on optimization. I know because I actually do this for a living.
Things will change. These things are usually done poorly because there are a lot of hucksters in the strategy game. It's hard to tell unless you're good at it but there are a lot of simpletons who deploy nonsensical aphorisms and simple fixes and they often go badly.
But I'm seeing the signs. It's coming.
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;2956163]Good advice here, especially number 6, for Seeking / SDM or any other sugar site too.[/QUOTE]I'm adding one.
7. Fish where the fish are. Use the site where there are plenty of options and you'll do well. If you use the site where it's not popular you're basically hiring an escort because those are the only girls on there.
Empty your inbox please.
[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2955966]Sadly I have witnessed the present internet "arrangement" girls are all asking for $500 a session, now. Before Covid they were asking $350.
My hood girl is still getting $200 a session after 3 years and still texts me, to see me. My slim blonde, former professional pole dancer / stripper still is getting $200 a session after 5 years, and we generally get together once a week. They have each gotten older over the past 3 and 5 years, respectively, and have not brought any new effort to the table, so their value has not increased.
Unfortunately throwing out such large $150 raises, for no increased value, is ruining it for all of us, Steve.[/QUOTE]I agree with Humble Hal. Things have gotten ridiculous with women trying to ask for and get more $$$ now. One told me she wanted $1,000 per meetup. Another $700. I quickly say, "You must be on another planet!" and discontinue. Its all about supply and demand. The women need to know that they are replaceable if they ask too much or perform too little. Some of you guys just throw money around, for no reason. Maybe you are incredibly rich and inherited your money and did not have to work for it! It still represents alot of work to give $150 to a girl who would accept $25. It shows stupidity.
1. Steve should have asked her "how much do you NEED"? Instead of just throwing money $500 at her like he is Richie Rich, Santa Claus, unless he has money to throw away. All girls WANT $$ The real question is how much do they NEED, and that is after they have a JOB and work. I ask how much do they earn at their regular job first. I am only a supplement, not they main provider for them. They also need to be kept dependent on your arrangement, so they will come back each week if you want them to. I don't want to get involved with hookers that have no real job, make their total living on their back, have multiple guys and all they do is roam around spreading herpes, STDs and other VD. I want a clean, exclusive employed woman, that only I can fuck and who has her own regular job and income. My gift should only be to supplement their normal job's income.
2. Steve should then have said, "Are you willing to do Anal or something new and perverted with me for the extra money?" Whenever I get a woman that wants more money I tell her I am on social security, may need help with my rent sometime, and may be able to give them more money if they perform above and beyond what they are now doing, but they need to understand that they need to perform more if they want to be paid more. When I mention "Anal sex" they usually shut up and are happy with what I have been giving them.
IT sounds like Steve has an unlimited amount of money and needs to learn how to negotiate with his women. I know some of you defend him all the time, but this is the truth. We all make mistakes and I cannot go along with his advice to just throw $150 at them when, if he would slow down and ask what they NEED he could have saved alot of money in the long run with this regular girl. We all are here to learn from eachother, so please take my advice next time. Thank you gentlemen.
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2956237]Empty your inbox please.[/QUOTE]Done and done.
Easily the most bass ackward, misogynistic comment I've ever read here. Thank you.
[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2956253]I agree with Humble Hal. Things have gotten ridiculous with women trying to ask for and get more $$$ now. One told me she wanted $1,000 per meetup. Another $700. I quickly say, "You must be on another planet!" and discontinue. Its all about supply and demand. The women need to know that they are replaceable if they ask too much or perform too little. Some of you guys just throw money around, for no reason. Maybe you are incredibly rich and inherited your money and did not have to work for it! It still represents alot of work to give $150 to a girl who would accept $25. It shows stupidity.
1. Steve should have asked her "how much do you NEED"? Instead of just throwing money $500 at her like he is Richie Rich, Santa Claus, unless he has money to throw away. All girls WANT $$ The real question is how much do they NEED, and that is after they have a JOB and work. I ask how much do they earn at their regular job first. I am only a supplement, not they main provider for them. They also need to be kept dependent on your arrangement, so they will come back each week if you want them to. I don't want to get involved with hookers that have no real job, make their total living on their back, have multiple guys and all they do is roam around spreading herpes, STDs and other VD. I want a clean, exclusive employed woman, that only I can fuck and who has her own regular job and income. My gift should only be to supplement their normal job's income.
2. Steve should then have said, "Are you willing to do Anal or something new and perverted with me for the extra money?" Whenever I get a woman that wants more money I tell her I am on social security, may need help with my rent sometime, and may be able to give them more money if they perform above and beyond what they are now doing, but they need to understand that they need to perform more if they want to be paid more. When I mention "Anal sex" they usually shut up and are happy with what I have been giving them.
IT sounds like Steve has an unlimited amount of money and needs to learn how to negotiate with his women. I know some of you defend him all the time, but this is the truth. We all make mistakes and I cannot go along with his advice to just throw $150 at them when, if he would slow down and ask what they NEED he could have saved alot of money in the long run with this regular girl. We all are here to learn from eachother, so please take my advice next time. Thank you gentlemen.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2956378]Easily the most bass ackward, misogynistic comment I've ever read here. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I thought it was quite educational, actually.
The same way that the FKK guys spent years complaining about the price increase from 50 to 100 or 150 euros and trying to convince others to only offer 50 euros.
If you are in your 50's or 60's and want to continue doing this until you die, either don't retire, or at least work part time.
There was a an old guy at a party once who had a sign that said Will Work For Sex. Everyone thought it was a play on those bums with Will Work for Food signs. Now I realize he might have been a John.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2956448]If you are in your 50's or 60's and want to continue doing this until you die, either don't retire, or at least work part time.[/QUOTE]Or have an outstanding retirement income hahaha!