Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Andy7; 1284733]Does any one know how things work at "Petch Siam". I like few girls out there & want to experience them beyond traditional. Do they provide FS or B2B by charging extra?

I'm sorry for my previous posts. I was just unaware of the rules & kept going about solving my queries. Sorry guys, I mean it.[/QUOTE]Is Petch Siam back in business? The last time I drove by it was under renovation and heard that a new army top brass has acquired it. The last time I visited, probably a year ago, it was very run down with just a handful of mediocre girls in the fishbowl. Price ranged from Baht 2000 to Baht 4000 for sideliners. Rooms had a peculiar smell and it is most frequented by locals who were loud and obnoxious. The girls also had serious attitude problems with foreigners and gave bad performance. The only memorable thing was they recruited girls with really large natural tits. Update us if you visit this joint. Thanks.

Likewise I have never been refused at Nataree and find it almost unimaginable to hear it happened. Spotty service from sideliners yes, probably because I have no Thai language skills like NF.

[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1284609]Is she back to Thailand, or did you meet her in Singapore?[/QUOTE]She will be back in Bangkok end of the month.

I took NicFrenchy's advice, and thank him. I had gone in to Nataree dressed and acting too badass- black clothes, black hat like some extra from Deadwood. I didn't think I was fooling anyone! Today I put on my Thai business uniform, tailored black trousers, ironed plain white shirt. I came in all smiles- high fived the touts, did a little tap dance with the manager, sat down laughing, and nearly all the girl's eyes were on me.Of course, suddenly no problem. Had a great session with a cutie and etc. I hadn't thought that presentation was important, but I acknowledge that the fun vibe is essential where the sideliners aren't pros and can be as picky as we are.

The sanook vibe is important and helpful pretty much anywhere in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Dan Key; 1285063]I took NicFrenchy's advice, and thank him. I had gone in to Nataree dressed and acting too badass- black clothes, black hat like some extra from Deadwood. I didn't think I was fooling anyone!

Today I put on my Thai business uniform, tailored black trousers, ironed plain white shirt. I came in all smiles- high fived the touts, did a little tap dance with the manager, sat down laughing, and nearly all the girl's eyes were on me.

Of course, suddenly no problem. Had a great session with a cutie and etc. I hadn't thought that presentation was important, but I acknowledge that the fun vibe is essential where the sideliners aren't pros and can be as picky as we are.[/QUOTE]Glad you enjoyed yourself, did you take from the sideline or the FB?

It stands to reason that if you enter any sexual palace like Dan Key did and act like a gentleman, then you will likely get better service.

But if you slouch in wearing flip-flops, baggy shorts with your underwear and crack of your ass showing, not shaved and visible ketchup drool on your dirty white t-shirt, then you are likely to get a cold shoulder from several of the pickier babes.

[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden;1284968]Likewise I have never been refused at Nataree and find it almost unimaginable to hear it happened. Spotty service from sideliners yes, probably because I have no Thai language skills like NF.[/QUOTE]Speaking Thai doesn't help to get good service at Nataree. Simply its a case that many girls are rather young, sort of enslaved on a contract debt, and have little or no clues about fun sex and servicing a man properly either. Its luck of the draw somewhat to get a girl who knows what to do.You are better off with one of the more experienced girls of a suitable age, however the fishbowl doesn't have much talent that appeals to me. Could try the ancient massage section too. I haven't taken a Nataree girl for some time now. Its too unreliable. I had a really good girl at High Class and its nearby. Sometimes Emmanuelle has hot girls, sometimes not.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1285388]Speaking Thai doesn't help to get good service at Nataree. Simply its a case that many girls are rather young, sort of enslaved on a contract debt, and have little or no clues about fun sex and servicing a man properly either. Its luck of the draw somewhat to get a girl who knows what to do.[/QUOTE]Agree that the Nataree sideliners are not the best little movers, but it's endearing when they smile and try, and are willing to learn and experiment. Young and innocent has an eternal appeal.A couple of them have spun the line about earing lots of $ rapidly to pay for parents in hospital- maybe true. Syzygies, can you tell us more about these contracts? Are they given money up front?

[QUOTE=Dan Key; 1285427]Agree that the Nataree sideliners are not the best little movers, but it's endearing when they smile and try, and are willing to learn and experiment. Young and innocent has an eternal appeal.

A couple of them have spun the line about earing lots of $ rapidly to pay for parents in hospital- maybe true. Syzygies, can you tell us more about these contracts? Are they given money up front?[/QUOTE]Many of these girls needed big money urgently for some reason. Could have been major operation in hospital for a parent. So a guy who is basically a professional pimp loans the family or the girl the money. Could be 100K Baht, or much more. I am not sure of typical sums. The girl signs a contract to must work every day in the MP to pay the money back. The pimp provides transport, food, lodgings etc. And girl must work hard. She gets little or no money at all. The pimp gets it all or nearly all of it. If you tip the girl cash on top of standard price, she may get to keep it, but only if she is dishonest and doesn't tell the pimp about it. Many girls are surprisingly honest. In the end, the pimp makes a lot of extra money, well beyond whatever got loaned. Some girls are of questionable age. Nataree has a lot of young girls. A fair percentage of them are probably locked into "contracts". May even be some who are not Thai citizens.

I got a lot of this by talking to girls when I went there previously. Of course they are strictly not allowed to tell. Many of the girls think or say its fine for a pimp to take a lot of the money in exchange for "looking after" her, even those with no debt to pay. She comes from a naive background in the village and knew nothing about Bangkok, and supposedly needs someone to look after her lodgings, transport, etc.

I prefer going to places with free-lance girls with no pimp behind them taking all the money. You can easily tell free-lance girls as they tend to have a lot of days off work. They make good money so don't need to work every day. E. G. My Amsterdam girl turns up when she feels like it. The exception is places with very strict rules that force their girls to work nearly every day. Often Soapies have a category of girls with different attendance rules (more relaxed) then the normal girls.

There are some Thai girls who fuck to support lazy boyfriends / husbands too. These guys may use the money to go out have fun and pay for a different girl. Why, I don't know or understand. That is a different kind of pimp.

That's interesting Syzygies. I didn't know about this debt and pimp factor. Through my girlfriend I met many pros who are doing it out of their own free will (for the good cash and free lifestyle) , and I assumed they all were. I don't feel like going to Nataree anymore. What other places have girls in this situation?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1285527]That's interesting Syzygies. I didn't know about this debt and pimp factor. Through my girlfriend I met many pros who are doing it out of their own free will (for the good cash and free lifestyle) , and I assumed they all were. I don't feel like going to Nataree anymore. What other places have girls in this situation?[/QUOTE]My Thai GF who is a researcher once did a research project on behalf of a Western NGO. The report was never published as it did not confirm the "All prostitutes are poor misled girls that are forced into having sex with dirty foreigners" cliche.

Anyhow, she told me about a girl in Pattaya who had several sponsorships from farangs and got herself a nice little apartment in Pattaya north. There she lived with her Thai BF (the archetypical "never-did-an-honest-day-of work" guy) who used the money he got from her to maintain a mistress. When his GF found out (she returned home early on day, of course she kept on working in bars notwithstanding the sponsorships, and found them both at it) all hell broke loose of course.

Was that guy a pimp? Some would say yes, others would say no. He did not actually "promote" his GF in the sex-market, he just lived off her earnings. It was clear she was never actually forced into being a SW. For her it was just a job as any other and used it to support her family and lover. And that was exactly what the NGO that ordered the research report did not want to hear.

No I wouldn't say that guy was a pimp. But the guys described by Syz are, aren't they?

Taken from a Trustworthy Expat from another Board:

[i]Well, speaking generaly the rules are needed to control the girls (otherwise they simply won't go to work LOL) and all shop have them, yes

BUT nowaday it has got to a point that the shops are making more money out of the girls than out of the customers. Fine for this, fine for that, have to buy this from the shop, have to pay to start working, have to pay for stop working.

I won't go into details, as it vary from shop to shop. But the girls have to pay "something" to their shop each time they go up with a customer, and this "something" + your drink (yes, the girls pay for your drinks.) + room cleaning (yes. They pay for this, not much but they do pay, and pay extra if the bed is a mess) + their expenses (condoms, KY, shower gel. All bought at inflated price from their shop) IS about 400 baht.

So yes, they better make sure you have FS and give at least 1500, because if you get "only massage" and tip them let say 100 baht they are loosing time AND money.

Then come the various "fines" and believe me the shop owners are very inventive.

Anyway, enought of this or I ll get myself banned from all oily shops for uncovering how things work behind the "thai smile"

Trust me, don't trust me. I frankly don't give a fart. [/i]

[quote=syzygies; 1285493]i got a lot of this by talking to girls when i went there previously. of course they are strictly not allowed to tell. many of the girls think or say its fine for a pimp to take a lot of the money in exchange for "looking after" her, even those with no debt to pay. she comes from a naive background in the village and knew nothing about bangkok, and supposedly needs someone to look after her lodgings, transport, etc. /quote]thanks syzygies, but maybe i shouldn't have asked! sometimes ignorance is bliss. now i don't want to go back to nataree either.putting it together, this explains the strange visit of the army / police i reported in february. the manager was really despairing afterwards and said `how can we continue? `. the uniforms must be aware that at least some of the girls seem ****, and many are on these illegal contracts. yet they just take their cut. so it all gets even more murky and unpleasant.