Seeking Arrangements

So you're comparing an FKK to sugaring. There's your problem. And you assume a pensioner can't afford some arbitrary amount. You two aren't learning anything from the experienced posters here. If the op really thinks he's going to have a relationship above and beyond anything transactional he needs to start by not demeaning a girl whom very humbly asks for his help. There are a million and one ways to get laid on this planet for money and if you (or he) are worried about money seeking doesn't break the top twenty of them.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2956448]I thought it was quite educational, actually.

The same way that the FKK guys spent years complaining about the price increase from 50 to 100 or 150 euros and trying to convince others to only offer 50 euros.

If you are in your 50's or 60's and want to continue doing this until you die, either don't retire, or at least work part time.

There was a an old guy at a party once who had a sign that said Will Work For Sex. Everyone thought it was a play on those bums with Will Work for Food signs. Now I realize he might have been a John.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2956478]So you're comparing an FKK to sugaring. There's your problem. And you assume a pensioner can't afford some arbitrary amount. You two aren't learning anything from the experienced posters here. If the op really thinks he's going to have a relationship above and beyond anything transactional he needs to start by not demeaning a girl whom very humbly asks for his help. There are a million and one ways to get laid on this planet for money and if you (or he) are worried about money seeking doesn't break the top twenty of them.[/QUOTE]No, what I meant was as soon as someone retires, they start viewing everything from a lens of what others "need", and what things used to cost. When you are working, you earn more yourself every year and are more willing to pay market rate in each particular market because you are aware of inflation. I used the FKKs as an example. There was a period of time when there were endless posts from retired guys who were disappointed that the 50 euros per session they had planned out during their retirement wasn't going to be the case. I am sure Steve9696 is paying the market rate for Sugaring and not somehow spoiling it for others. The cost of independent escorts in the western world has gone up considerably in the past few years, so logically the cost of Sugar Babies has also, along with everything in the service industry. For what it was worth, I was agreeing with you. Sorry you misunderstood my post.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2955966]Sadly I have witnessed the present internet "arrangement" girls are all asking for $500 a session, now. Before Covid they were asking $350.[/QUOTE]And a stripper I talked to said that $500 was a good night before Covid and after it, she said a bad night was anything less than $1000.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2955966]My hood girl is still getting $200 a session after 3 years and still texts me, to see me. My slim blonde, former professional pole dancer / stipper still is getting $200 a session after 5 years, and we generally get together once a week. They have each gotten older over the past 3 and 5 years, respectively, and have not brought any new effort to the table, so their value has not increased.

Unfortunately throwing out such large $150 raises, for no increased value, is ruining it for all of us, Steve.[/QUOTE]Not only do you have hookers on retainer, you assume everyone else does too. You are paying a wage for sex. A sugar daddy is giving a gift to help out a friend. I handled strippers or hood girls differently than sugar babies. They are not raised on generosity and think any men giving them a gift is a sucker.

The goal for a SB is a long term relationship. As someone said about Colombians, when you talk long term with strippers or people in the hood, that does not mean months or years but an hour.

When I went on P411 in my area, there were like 700 hookers. Seeking had 10,000+ women within 10 miles of my house. You are flattering yourself thinking you are going after the caliber of women Steve is going after, and that he is "ruining" things for you and other guys like you.

No offense taken. I too am one of those who criticize people who complain about costs rising with time. These simpletons don't understand basic math, the time value of money, or real estate. Every business has an overhead that is a direct function of their rent or, if they own the place, what they expect to get for their land outside of the performance of the business. Additionally, these are the same simpletons that scoff at their yearly 3% raises and wonder why they can't keep up with the rest of the world but keep going back to the shit job day after day and year after year. Or, if they're really bright, they hold their employer hostage by going on strike and demanding shit that is completely impossible from a business prospective. This is because they've never owned a business (and don't care to because they'd have to the the risk of losing their shit job) and don't understand that their employees are already taking care of their best employees and the bottom 80% are cannon fodder. If they don't understand that the price of everything goes up with time, they are morons for accepting any kind of defined benefit pension as their only source of income and expecting they can live the life they lived while they worked their shit jobs.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2956500]No, what I meant was as soon as someone retires, they start viewing everything from a lens of what others "need", and what things used to cost. When you are working, you earn more yourself every year and are more willing to pay market rate in each particular market because you are aware of inflation. I used the FKKs as an example. There was a period of time when there were endless posts from retired guys who were disappointed that the 50 euros per session they had planned out during their retirement wasn't going to be the case. I am sure Steve9696 is paying the market rate for Sugaring and not somehow spoiling it for others. The cost of independent escorts in the western world has gone up considerably in the past few years, so logically the cost of Sugar Babies has also, along with everything in the service industry. For what it was worth, I was agreeing with you. Sorry you misunderstood my post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2956502] A sugar daddy is giving a gift to help out a friend.[/QUOTE]Bizarre to hear this. Sugar Daddy always wants Sugar Baby to fuck him good. Always a quid pro quo.

A gift refers to a voluntary transfer of a benefit without the need for any compensation and consideration.

What planet are you on?

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2955105]I don't really consider it denigrating anyone. It's merely a fact. But suppose it were denigrating, then by the opposite side of the coin, it would have to be that all men pay women for sex. So we're all losers that can't get real love. :D[/QUOTE]Hey, Kazeu, your inbox is full.

Hmmm, can we all agree on one thing? If any of us were satisfied with what we had, then we would not get on Seeking? If we all had wives who looked like they were 20 year old super models, and had a stronger sex drive than us, then what would our motivation be for getting on the site?

To be honest, I think all this relates to a bigger issue. And that being people not wanting to accept reality, or not being willing to adapt to adverse circumstances in life. There is no magic bullet; things are constantly evolving.

Just my bad luck the Amazonense girl appears to be a thief. Oh well, on to the next girl; there are tens of millions to choose from.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;2956813]Hmmm, can we all agree on one thing? If any of us were satisfied with what we had, then we would not get on Seeking? If we all had wives who looked like they were 20 year old super models, and had a stronger sex drive than us, then what would our motivation be for getting on the site?

To be honest, I think all this relates to a bigger issue. And that being people not wanting to accept reality, or not being willing to adapt to adverse circumstances in life. There is no magic bullet; things are constantly evolving.

Just my bad luck the Amazonense girl appears to be a thief. Oh well, on to the next girl; there are tens of millions to choose from.[/QUOTE]One of the most thought-provoking passages from the book The Godfather is Michael Corleone's analysis of what his father would have become had he not chosen to struggle against his fate. The comparison was to the ordinary Italian-American laborers.

For most guys seeing sex workers is a form of struggling against his fate. Which would be a less satisfying sex life for him without sex workers.

What I have never understood is this mentality that someone spending $500 on an adventure should either spend $200 or not spend anything at all, just because some other guys are only able, or willing, to spend $200, That is hardly struggling against one's fate. It is as much of a constraint as being dateless or accepting a lesser sex life with someone you are not attracted to.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;2956813]Hmmm, can we all agree on one thing? If any of us were satisfied with what we had, then we would not get on Seeking? If we all had wives who looked like they were 20 year old super models, and had a stronger sex drive than us, then what would our motivation be for getting on the site?.[/QUOTE]I don't know. I think a lot comes down to just wanting variety. I often see a girl who's pudgy or maybe just has one asset on her I find attractive. I wouldn't like her long term. But I'd do her in a minute once or twice just because she'd be new and different. And I had pretty hot girlfriends in my twenties who after a year of dating just became the girl I was banging and I over noticed any flaws they had. I think this is how it goes for a lot of us. It's the excitement of new.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2956718]Sugar Daddy always wants Sugar Baby to fuck him good. Always a quid pro quo.

A gift refers to a voluntary transfer of a benefit without the need for any compensation and consideration.

What planet are you on?[/QUOTE]The planet where I got over thinking I had to be a john. That is actually the problem with seeing prostitutes all the time. You condition yourself that it is always has to be about money for sex. The reason I went into sugaring is that hooker sex got old.

In the USA, the price had to be mentioned up front all the time. Once the women understood they were going to be compensated, they could let their hair down. Even when the relationship is over, I have had many, many SBs reach out to me later and be FB friends.

In the Latin American countries, there were times I was getting women in bed without mentioning price. The conversation was so smooth that it did not even come up. What I found was that if I presented myself in a wealthier fashion with clothes and where I was staying, women were much less likely to ask for money. It got to the point that being asked how much was a huge turnoff.

I have had this topic come up numerous times before with guys. I always say the same thing, "Keep an open mind and let her bring up price. She may not. " Guys argue with me all the time, say it cannot be done, finally try it, get a woman into bed, and then think that was a great idea they had. LOL.

The paradox of the situation is the less greedy girls have always gotten more out of me than the women who demand cash up front, and that is because I care about the whole person versus what is between their legs.

I did not really understand why American women were so adamant to get $ up front versus the Latin ones until I saw the phone of an American SB. She showed me all her seeking response. There were a few legitimate guys but the overwhelming amount were guys trying to trick her and get into her pants for free.

Cleared my inbox.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2956762]Hey, Kazeu, your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]

So I help out a few women in mexico and a few in Colombia and have a regular in Colombia. I don't.

Know the reason, but they said they were going to put a hold on my account until I called them. I called them and answered all their questions. And they said they were escalating it to be reviewed. The next day I called and asked about my transfer and they said my acct has been suspended but would not tell me why.

I am currently using western union, but their rates are much worse.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2956987]So I help out a few women in mexico and a few in Colombia and have a regular in Colombia. I don't.

Know the reason, but they said they were going to put a hold on my account until I called them. I called them and answered all their questions. And they said they were escalating it to be reviewed. The next day I called and asked about my transfer and they said my acct has been suspended but would not tell me why.

I am currently using western union, but their rates are much worse.[/QUOTE]Try Wise. I really like it. Good rates low fees. Fast.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2956987]So I help out a few women in mexico and a few in Colombia and have a regular in Colombia. I don't.

Know the reason, but they said they were going to put a hold on my account until I called them. I called them and answered all their questions. And they said they were escalating it to be reviewed. The next day I called and asked about my transfer and they said my acct has been suspended but would not tell me why.

I am currently using western union, but their rates are much worse.[/QUOTE]Out of curiosity, what's the backstory to helping these women? Some guys on here would say any number of things. You're being fed sob stories. They're giving the money to Sancho. You're being played.

I'm not saying those things. I'm just curious how you ended up in a situation where you have multiple people waiting on remittances.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2956987]So I help out a few women in mexico and a few in Colombia and have a regular in Colombia. I don't.

Know the reason, but they said they were going to put a hold on my account until I called them. I called them and answered all their questions. And they said they were escalating it to be reviewed. The next day I called and asked about my transfer and they said my acct has been suspended but would not tell me why.

I am currently using western union, but their rates are much worse.[/QUOTE]Paypal has a horrible rap for slow transfer times and high fees on currency exchange. For any service, any time you use ACH or debit card, the fee will always be way less than using a credit card, because of their processing on the backend, among other things.

I have Wise, but my account has been frozen. I found out a girl was lying to me and trying to manipulate me, so I filed a chargeback on the funds I sent her. Which I would have never sent in the first place had I not the option to dispute the transaction. Wise, being the idiots that they are, absorbed the loss, rather than reclaiming the funds from her bank account, even though they have tantamount to her routing and account number (all her banking info from Pix). I could just imagine her reaction if she opened her bank account and saw a negative balance; screaming and cursing at me. Right now I could not care less about having Wise because I don't really use the service. If you get a Schwab debit card from their checking account service, any foreign ATM fees you are charged are refunded, and on top of that you do not a conversion fee for other currencies. You can just withdraw foreign currency at the same exchange rate that Visa gets, because it's a Visa branded card. Basically a forex rate without a penalty or profit for the otherwise. Of course, getting foreign cash is a bit different than sending someone money.

Unless I start using Wise, I probably won't care except if they were to try and hire a collections agency. There are other services, but not all of them allow transfers between numerous countries and currencies.