Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2805616]Guys a lot of you are worried about these posts about robberies and spiked drinks etc, here's my thoughts and observations. This applies for longer stays like mine but.

1. most girls you'll see and meet and take home in or from the Parque Llearas are same girls you see every night and you see their friends every night = this is very unlikely she will rob or spike your drink at home.

2. same goes for the girls in Gusto and other clubs surrounding this area. There are cameras and the cops will find and catch them.

.[/QUOTE]I have talked to people who have been drugged and robbed who called the police. The police in question feel it is the Mongers fault for being stupid.

One fellow who was cut by a would be robber and was at a store buying pads to stop the bleeding told a nearby policeman what happened and the Cop quickly walked away.

The only way for a New Guy to be safe is to go to the Casas. No underage girls, no Ladyboys, no getting drugged or robbed. If you hit it off with a casa girl then if you want to see her outside then I think that is the way to go.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2805643]I would think it actually maybe safe knowing where she lives. I would not go into her car.

I would not feel safe following your rules. The girl can score once and lay low until you leave to reappear. Just by reading reports, we know that is not safe. Colombia is a poor country so life is cheap, they don't have the resource to capture criminals even when we may consider easy. That is why you see mongers try to capture the criminals themselves and that actually shows how easy it is to capture them. Basically these events go against some of your rules or assumptions.[/QUOTE]So you know mongers who have captured criminals themselves and it can be easy?

If the police don't have the resources to capture them, what resources besides money does a foreigner have here, and do you have some examples / success stories of monger's capturing "monger criminals" as I can't recall that being posted about here in the past, but do have a short memory! LOL.

I also think the police do have the resources to catch criminals, but don't waste their time on a "sex tourist", unless they are drugged and die. As an example the guy from Orange County, California who croaked. Very bad press for tourism in the Country, hence the perps where caught.

However for a guy here that only loses all his belongings, I don't see the Police having much interest.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2805616]Guys a lot of you are worried about these posts about robberies and spiked drinks etc, here's my thoughts and observations. This applies for longer stays like mine but.

1. most girls you'll see and meet and take home in or from the Parque Llearas are same girls you see every night and you see their friends every night = this is very unlikely she will rob or spike your drink at home.

2. same goes for the girls in Gusto and other clubs surrounding this area. There are cameras and the cops will find and catch them.

3. if your building has security and checks this is very unlikely she will rob you and run away. Some building staff will require you to escort her out on her way out.

4. if your apartment does not have the guards, there will likely be multiple gates and keys to get inside; if she does not leave your apartment she is not likely to get her friends to go in and rob you.

5. if you meet a girl online (tinder / etc) make sure to get her online social profiles. Save some of her photos, take photos of her or together with her.

6. having a company at home (2 or more guy friends) will make a huge difference in safety and even girls attitudes.

7. don't go to her apartment, don''t go to a bar/club that she offers

8. never leave sight of your beer/drink - goes wo saying

with all of the above, we hear about these events but they are quite rare considering there are thousands of foreigners out every single night. If you get robbed or spiked, you can find local friends and police will look for them if you have anything to present.[/QUOTE]I agree with nearly all of the above. I will say in my case, and this is coming from someone that has spent 12 years going to Medellin over 30 trips, but was still drugged / robbed in November, that having a doorman is one of the things that you should definitely do and also instruct them not to let people leave unless you walk them down. In regards to pics. If the girl is acting suspicious send some of the pics to friends. I had taken screen captures of the girl, but then she stole my phone and I was unable to retrieve the pics. She also stole my keys to let herself out and an accomplice broke the entryway security camera and stole the storage device.

I had made the mistake of branching out to data 'semi-pros' and it was a girl I met off of Bumble and after our second 'date. ' Money was never discussed as she just wanted to 'hang out' which should have been a red flag. I watch my drinks and make my own, but I stepped outside to get food off of the grill for 30 seconds and she drugged my drink.

The police are very apathetic, particularly the local ones, and will not help. I had to get a denuncia from the state police (took 5-6 hours) then hire a private investigator group (WYN) to get anything going.

Be careful out there!

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805318]I'm no hater but I come to Medelland with plenty of cash. I'm not looking to get the best deal. I'm looking to have the most fun.[/QUOTE]You and especially the girls will have lots of fun.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2805544]Seems like you are saying that spending the most money will get you the most fun. If so, then that is not true at all. You can make your own fun for free. You can also pay exorbitant amounts hoping someone else, that does not know you from a can of paint, can deliver your idea of fun. I would rather take the chance at making my own fun that to shell out a bunch of money and be disappointed.[/QUOTE]Where I live it costs $400 to $500 for an hour. Non pros are much more costly it starts in the range where I buy everything and progresses to them taking half of everything I own. So if I go to MDE and spend $60 to $80 that's no big deal. I'm not rich or a jerk. I do believe you are on to something though and next time I'm going to do tourist excursions.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2805738]
The police are very apathetic, particularly the local ones, and will not help. I had to get a denuncia from the state police (took 5-6 hours) then hire a private investigator group (WYN) to get anything going.

Be careful out there![/QUOTE]So did the private investigator find the perps and where they charged and did you get anything back of yours, or was it a waste of time.

I last year filed a denuncia against a guy who threatened me with Whatsapp messages because I was seeing his girlfriend. I had to go to the Fiscalia, wait several hours to file the paperwork, and believe now that it was a total waste of time.

I believe guys that get scoped / robbed, but aren't physically hurt are wasting their time going after the perps.

If you got any resolution in your situation that's awesome.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805556]
Last thing I wasn't rushed at New Life. I think I could have stayed there for 3 hours if I wanted to. I think they had beer. It was a blast and it was probably the best sex I've ever had. Plus the lady was very nice. I tipped her and then she gave me a discount or something because I got change back at the window. The ladies I brought back to my room were great but it was my room with all of my valuables in a safe. On balance I'the go with less intimacy and more safety.[/QUOTE]You will never be rushed at New Life because you pay after you leave the room based on how much time you spent in the room. I prefer this system compared to the other casas.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2805764]You will never be rushed at New Life because you pay after you leave the room based on how much time you spent in the room. I prefer this system compared to the other casas.[/QUOTE]Yep. Clock in, cock in.

Cock out, clock out.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2805729]So you know mongers who have captured criminals themselves and it can be easy?....[/QUOTE]Surfer, some of the answers you are looking for is in Chicago's post. I am just trying to express my view gently, less confrontational, that is why I put things in certain ways while other posters are more direct but we are saying the same end result.

If you read my past posts, you will see I sometimes will do social experiment. Basically, you can't think the girls or the criminals will think the way you do. Many of them are not that sophisticated.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2805729]So you know mongers who have captured criminals themselves and it can be easy?

If the police don't have the resources to capture them, what resources besides money does a foreigner have here, and do you have some examples / success stories of monger's capturing "monger criminals" as I can't recall that being posted about here in the past, but do have a short memory! LOL.
[/QUOTE]If you recall a few months back a cat was drugged and robbed by a Tinder chick and made a youtube video about it. Later, his friend matched with the same chick and they set her up and paid the police to be there when she arrived. She even showed up with some of the first guy's shit. His cellphone if I remember correctly.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2805729]So you know mongers who have captured criminals themselves and it can be easy?

If the police don't have the resources to capture them, what resources besides money does a foreigner have here, and do you have some examples / success stories of monger's capturing "monger criminals" as I can't recall that being posted about here in the past, but do have a short memory! LOL.

I also think the police do have the resources to catch criminals, but don't waste their time on a "sex tourist", unless they are drugged and die. As an example the guy from Orange County, California who croaked. Very bad press for tourism in the Country, hence the perps where caught.

However for a guy here that only loses all his belongings, I don't see the Police having much interest.[/QUOTE]My girl / criminal was captured, but then again it was the same girl that drugged Paul Nguyen. I helped with the investigation. I would rather not share more given that it's ongoing.

In regards to the police I was told that it's three things. 1) The criminals could be connected to powerful gangs and the police are loathe to arrest someone, anger the gangs, and then have a target on their head (and families), 2) They have about 4 x as many open cases as they have people to cover and if a foreigner they expect you to be flying out shortly, 3) They do believe much of this is our own fault (and it is based on the dar de papaya culture).

Beyond that I was told that for prosecutors it's similar. 1) They want to be careful if the criminal is connected, 2) They have many, many cases so they only want to open cases that they know they can win. The challenge is that it takes time to pull together the evidence, identify the suspect, etc. (this is where Paul's family and WYN come into play), 3) From a political standpoint they are careful in which cases they take on and how they are portrayed within Colombia given that their appointments and pay are often tied to politicians in charge. In other words, there is a balance of prosecuting crimes against foreigners to take a strong stance, but at the same time they don't want things to 'blow up' and scare the tourists.

The biggest things in the latest case were that the criminals were not connected and that Paul's family paid for the WYN group to do almost all of the leg work for the police and prosecutors.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2805831]My girl / criminal was captured, but then again it was the same girl that drugged Paul Nguyen. I helped with the investigation. I would rather not share more given that it's ongoing.

In regards to the police I was told that it's three things. 1) The criminals could be connected to powerful gangs and the police are loathe to arrest someone, anger the gangs, and then have a target on their head (and families), 2) They have about 4 x as many open cases as they have people to cover and if a foreigner they expect you to be flying out shortly, 3) They do believe much of this is our own fault (and it is based on the dar de papaya culture).

Beyond that I was told that for prosecutors it's similar. 1) They want to be careful if the criminal is connected, 2) They have many, many cases so they only want to open cases that they know they can win. The challenge is that it takes time to pull together the evidence, identify the suspect, etc. (this is where Paul's family and WYN come into play), 3) From a political standpoint they are careful in which cases they take on and how they are portrayed within Colombia given that their appointments and pay are often tied to politicians in charge. In other words, there is a balance of prosecuting crimes against foreigners to take a strong stance, but at the same time they don't want things to 'blow up' and scare the tourists.

The biggest things in the latest case were that the criminals were not connected and that Paul's family paid for the WYN group to do almost all of the leg work for the police and prosecutors.[/QUOTE]Let's clear one thing up for sure. Gangs of groups of thieves who are involved in this trade have 0 influence on their government.

Cartels and gangs worry about their drugs which is worth BILLIONS.

Those are the people who have political influence. Not some local group of thugs who go robbing iPhones and pocket change at atms.

Also when a murder happens that country's embassy will get involved. Why? For example when Nguyen got killed I was actually in Orange County. He literally lived down the block from a property I had there. It was all over the news.

Then it made CNN.

So now there is government pressure to catch these killers.

This is when the gangs are absolutely powerless.

I can assure you robbing and drugging foreigners is just for a bunch of local thugs. Not saying they're not dangerous as well. But to think they have political or police influence is absurd.

Cartels would have these losers wiped out real quick for getting the US govt to start snooping their noses in medellin or do anything that might bring attention to them that might be bad for biz.

I think this business of drugging tourists can only stop if they get harsh sentences. Which I doubt. I know a man who murdered someone in cold blood and only got house arrest for 5 years. So it's their system that's fucked.

The only way to completely stop this mess is to threaten with extradition if you drug or kill a foreigner. Obviously this wouldn't happen. But I assure you if it did lots of people would take less chances.

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[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2805852]Has anybody used [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos.[/URL] I'm just curious about the prices, are they quoted in COP or usd? I Hope it's cop because if it's usd what's point coming here for escorts at least for most of us. I can get those prices with out flying to another country. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Someone's probably answered this by now. I guess I understand the confusion but usually after the period comes only two zeroes for american dollars. In these profiles cases the 3 zeroes after the period mean thousands. So 130.000 is 130,000 COP (colombian pesos) about 28 dollars usd recommend the verified accts. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2805852]Has anybody used [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos.[/URL] I'm just curious about the prices, are they quoted in COP or usd? I Hope it's cop because if it's usd what's point coming here for escorts at least for most of us. I can get those prices with out flying to another country. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Colombian pesos. All ads on all sites by the same Bulgarian business are in local currency.