Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2858466]Obvious people do care about what you write. Seem I hit s nerve guess the diagnoses was spot on based on your response.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is like Disneyland for mongers, so many come here and are overwhelmed by the 1000's of ladies screaming "welcome hansum man". But some take it too seriously, and the results can be fatal.

I am trying to inject a little reality into the conversation, in the hopes that some guys will think twice before blowing their life savings on a bargirl.

Its okay to hand your money to a bargirl in exchange for services rendered. You are free to overpay. The problem comes when you are in love with a bargirl and you send her money when you go home. Giving a bargirl money for nothing is bad for you and other mongers, as well.

Living in Pattaya for many years, I have seen the results when a sponsor comes to the realization that "their" bargirl doesn't love them, and they have blown all their money for nothing. In extreme cases, this results in a dive off a condo balcony.

No, I have never been personally burned by a bargirl, although some have tried. But I have seen it happen to lots of other guys.

Be careful out there!

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2858351]Anytime is the right time to come to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I usually bail from Pattaya in December. January, too many customers.

Plus, Bolt is overloaded, too many Bolt customers.

The ladies get top dollar from 2 week millionaires, plus that's when the sponsors usually visit Thailand, so their "girlfriends" are busy.

Bad time to go to Pattaya. Although its better than December in Birmingham.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2858466]Obvious people do care about what you write. Seem I hit s nerve guess the diagnoses was spot on based on your response.[/QUOTE]Why would someone care? 99% of his post have no added value to this forum?

He never gives info about girls. Just brags he bangs all the time.

Chick comes. She drinks, They fuck. BF is involved and a farang sponsor. It's the same story every post.

However you gain NO information about Pattaya at ALL from these post.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2858245]230 baht lady drinks prices for ALL girls, (models, coyotes, hostesses) is pretty ridiculous at Palace. I remember when drinks were 150 for coyotes. Inflation did not go up 50%.[/QUOTE]I remember when there weren't models/hostesses and LD on WS were 100/120 baht, 60/80 baht on Soi 6 and G clubs. Does this mean the girls are making more per drink now or do the girls still make the same 50 baht they made at 120 baht LD as they do on 230 baht LD?

Higher prices means fewer drinks for the girls from me. I'm down to Panda, Cat Ears, and Cutest Girl Ever at Palace for drinks.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2858247]I will be back in Jomtien in 2024 for my 74th Birthday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2858285]Overall, great trip. Highly recommend.[/QUOTE]

Buried in all our trash talk here are 2 very well thought out reviews by StL and Jim. Please go back a page and read them if you enjoy actual reviews that name bars and girls. Thanks guys for the information.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2858513] do the girls still make the same 50 baht they made at 120 baht LD as they do on 230 baht LD? .[/QUOTE]Most of the margin is going to the bars. I read somewhere they get now about 70-80 THB per drink.

So they got 42% first. Now down to 35%. However that does make sense a bit because the salaries went up for most models / coyotes in most bars.

To give you an idea.

OneNightJack.

Models 20 K for 10 days / 60 drinks = 60 x220 = 13.200.

Coyote 15 K for 10 days / 55 drinks = 55 x220 = 12.100.

Trow in 2 "mandatory" barfines a 2. 000. And you see the risk for hiring staff is very low.

Penalty for not making the drink quota? They need to pay it themselves (deducted from salary at full price).

So the 70-80 per drink is after they make their quota. Not on the first 60/55 drinks in this example.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2858480]Why would someone care? 99% of his post have no added value to this forum?

He never gives info about girls. Just brags he bangs all the time.

Chick comes. She drinks, They fuck. BF is involved and a farang sponsor. It's the same story every post.

However you gain NO information about Pattaya at ALL from these post.[/QUOTE]What do you want to know?

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2858247]
Massage Shops- are located all over the area, many seem to have the same format, prices of menu items are posted, ladies vary from young to old. Some Extras seem to be available at many, discussed between the lady and customer. Having an "oily" massage can be a very enjoyable experience, akin to or in place of a Short Time visit.some with more intensity, at about the same overall cost (300 BT massage+ 1000 FS). I think next visit I will look at in-shop oily massages more seriously if I find ladies who are attractive sitting out front.. I am sure they will think I am a "handsome man".

Soapy Massage I went one time; everybody should go once but maybe not here. There are several located in Central Pattaya which have the Fishbowl Style selection process, with a formatted routine in a room with a tub for a scrub, a tug, then FS, I think I was lucky from what I hear, I gave the floor manager 100 BT and he made a recommendation. Recollection that it was about 2500 BT. Marketed to Indians arriving in buses and vans.. Many smiles.[/QUOTE]Hey man, super informative post! Any oily massage places you recommend with pretty, young girls? All massage places I walk past are similar in price in terms of their "non-monger" menu. And they all have old round ladies in front.

Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier, younger girls?

Thank you!

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2858575]Hey man, super informative post! Any oily massage places you recommend with pretty, young girls? All massage places I walk past are similar in price in terms of their "non-monger" menu. And they all have old round ladies in front.

Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier girls?

Thank you![/QUOTE]There are some shops on the east end of Soi Honey that have young ladies working there.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2858477]I usually bail from Pattaya in December. January, too many customers.

Plus, Bolt is overloaded, too many Bolt customers.

The ladies get top dollar from 2 week millionaires, plus that's when the sponsors usually visit Thailand, so their "girlfriends" are busy.

Bad time to go to Pattaya. Although its better than December in Birmingham.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The one time of year not to be in Pattaya is high season, I have always avoided it and only come to Thailand and Pattaya during low season. Indeed the hotels are cheaper, but the two main reasons are avoiding the crowds and having leverage on the ladies that are desperate for customers which equates to cheaper and better service. Better service because they are more intent on obtaining repeat customers given the dearth of customers overall.

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2858575]Hey man, super informative post! Any oily massage places you recommend with pretty, young girls? All massage places I walk past are similar in price in terms of their "non-monger" menu. And they all have old round ladies in front.

Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier, younger girls?

Thank you![/QUOTE]You're best bet is to walk around and sample, it's really not complicated. In the last week I have met three different attractive oily massage ladies for legit oil massage with BJ finish and have repeated with each. But guess what, I don't remember the ladies' names or the shop names. I just enjoy sauntering around town and seeing what's on display out front, if I like something, I go in. It's simple, don't over think it.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2858476]Pattaya is like Disneyland for mongers, so many come here and are overwhelmed by the 1000's of ladies screaming "welcome hansum man". But some take it too seriously, and the results can be fatal.

I am trying to inject a little reality into the conversation, in the hopes that some guys will think twice before blowing their life savings on a bargirl.

Its okay to hand your money to a bargirl in exchange for services rendered. You are free to overpay. The problem comes when you are in love with a bargirl and you send her money when you go home. Giving a bargirl money for nothing is bad for you and other mongers, as well.

Living in Pattaya for many years, I have seen the results when a sponsor comes to the realization that "their" bargirl doesn't love them, and they have blown all their money for nothing. In extreme cases, this results in a dive off a condo balcony.

No, I have never been personally burned by a bargirl, although some have tried. But I have seen it happen to lots of other guys.

Be careful out there![/QUOTE]Don't kill the messenger! Your preaching to the wrong guy. The more you try to justify the more you confirm! I've noted many times but human nature when offended people don't listen although they will day they do. When a person keep preaching the same message over and over again whether burn or know someone who has they tune out there Is nothing you can say or continue to say for.

Million time that will change.

It is no different when it comes to looks and priced the merry go round will continue to go around.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2858476]Pattaya is like Disneyland for mongers, so many come here and are overwhelmed by the 1000's of ladies screaming "welcome hansum man". But some take it too seriously, and the results can be fatal.

I am trying to inject a little reality into the conversation, in the hopes that some guys will think twice before blowing their life savings on a bargirl.

Its okay to hand your money to a bargirl in exchange for services rendered. You are free to overpay. The problem comes when you are in love with a bargirl and you send her money when you go home. Giving a bargirl money for nothing is bad for you and other mongers, as well.

Living in Pattaya for many years, I have seen the results when a sponsor comes to the realization that "their" bargirl doesn't love them, and they have blown all their money for nothing. In extreme cases, this results in a dive off a condo balcony.

No, I have never been personally burned by a bargirl, although some have tried. But I have seen it happen to lots of other guys.

Be careful out there![/QUOTE]Don't kill the messenger! Your preaching to the wrong guy. The more you try to justify the more you confirm! I've noted many times but human nature when offended people don't listen although they will day they do. When a person keep preaching the same message over and over again whether burn or know someone who has they tune out there Is nothing you can say or continue to say for.

Million time that will change.

It is no different when it comes to looks and priced the merry go round will continue to go around.

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2858575]Hey man, super informative post! Any oily massage places you recommend with pretty, young girls? All massage places I walk past are similar in price in terms of their "non-monger" menu. And they all have old round ladies in front.

Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier, younger girls?

Thank you![/QUOTE]Simple answer no way in San Jose are you going to find massage places stocked with other than old portly Thai Ladies.

You might find one somewhat attractive girl here and there but even then I'm Stretching the meaning of young and sexy.

Pre COVID. VIP Massage was the place to go in Bangkok. Attractive and decent massage and Sex on offer.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2858533]Most of the margin is going to the bars. I read somewhere they get now about 70-80 THB per drink.

So they got 42% first. Now down to 35%. However that does make sense a bit because the salaries went up for most models / coyotes in most bars.

To give you an idea.

OneNightJack.

Models 20 K for 10 days / 60 drinks = 60 x220 = 13.200.

Coyote 15 K for 10 days / 55 drinks = 55 x220 = 12.100.

Trow in 2 "mandatory" barfines a 2. 000. And you see the risk for hiring staff is very low.

Penalty for not making the drink quota? They need to pay it themselves (deducted from salary at full price).

So the 70-80 per drink is after they make their quota. Not on the first 60/55 drinks in this example.[/QUOTE]I go to One Eye Jacks. I like one white skin girl there. Will buy her a Drink or 2.

The rest are just Motley as H. E. l. L.

I doubt most make their Quota.

How anyone there make s money is beyond my 3rd grade education level.

You can go at prime time no more than 5 customers.

Heading back to Pattaya today. One week at Red Planet is going to set me back $115 for 7 days. How dare they.

No Baitoey insights. Does she Smell, mom of triplets, does she bite, etc?

Thanks to Exploring I'm not going to Sponsor Baitoey. LOL.

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2858575]Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier, younger girls?[/QUOTE]The two are generally mutually exclusive in Pattaya. Prettier younger girls aren't there to give you a good deep tissue or intense Thai massage. Now if you're looking for late late 20's and up then yes you will find some places.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2858533]So the 70-80 per drink is after they make their quota. Not on the first 60/55 drinks in this example.[/QUOTE]

Correct but girls who do not want to follow a strict schedule can also work on a drinks only basis without salary.

One of the other ways bars make a ton of money on are hefty penalties the girls have to pay. 500 baht for forgetting or losing your badge number, 2500 baht for forgetting your outfit and you are required to buy a new one. 500 baht for not wearing black shoes on black shoe night. 100 baht per each 5 minutes late up to your barfine rate. The list goes on and on and different for each club.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2858285]Edge Central Condo * * * Thai Friendly Girls * * * LK Metro Agogo Bars * * * Blow-Job Bar * * * Soapy Massage * * * Soi 6 * * * Walking Street * * * Beach Rd / Walking Street Freelance * * * Gentlemen's Clubs * * * Overall, great trip. Highly recommend.[/QUOTE]Now that's what I call a tour d'horizon. Informative, timely and well-written. Great job by Jim2288.

This is the very end of Low Season in Pattaya, the period when the ladies are most desperate for customers. Although I am in Mexico at the moment, I am getting pinged by ladies looking for customers (obviously, they aren't looking at my Facebook).

It's likely by the time I am returning to Pattaya for an extended stay, starting in late October, these ladies will have customers, as High Season kicks in.

But, for now, my telephone is figuratively ringing off the hook.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2858480]Why would someone care? 99% of his post have no added value to this forum?

He never gives info about girls. Just brags he bangs all the time.

Chick comes. She drinks, They fuck. BF is involved and a farang sponsor. It's the same story every post.

However you gain NO information about Pattaya at ALL from these post.[/QUOTE]Let me explain how I operate, it's probably similar to anyone who stays in Pattaya for a long time.

In the case where I want a new lady, I will hit the bars. I will buy some drinks, and if the lady is acceptable, I will barfine her to go back to the condo for drinks.

Once in the condo, I will set up tequila for her, and my drinks for me. I have colored LEDS, like a bar, big screen TV and YouTube with no ads. I start off playing Reggeton, which is great for the ladies, since most Farangs don't play that in the bars. After some tequila is consumed, I will change to Isaan music, depending on the age of the lady, varying from Nescafe to Lam Yai, to Jintara.

At that point, the lady usually loves to talk about herself (they have zero interest in me), or her customers. If she has a sponsor, she will complain what an a* the guy is. As long as the lady is talking about herself, she is happy.

This is not to say there aren't duds, some ladies don't like to drink, and just want a quick fuck. I even had one lady who told me she wasn't having her period, and then said she had her period once in the condo. The bad ones are no repeats.

Most ladies will make their move after 3 hours or so, and hit the bedroom. Not because they are horny, but because it's their job. A small percent *are* horny, which is a problem for me, because they want to fuck too long.

Over time, I get a harem of ladies in my rotation. So, my problem isn't finding ladies, or money, it's time for all of them, at least in Low Season.

I know this isn't too useful for someone in Pattaya for 3 days, but lots of people stay in Thailand for 2+ weeks. As long as you don't get hooked by one lady, you have time to make a rotation.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2858751]This is the very end of Low Season in Pattaya, the period when the ladies are most desperate for customers. Although I am in Mexico at the moment, I am getting pinged by ladies looking for customers (obviously, they aren't looking at my Facebook).

It's likely by the time I am returning to Pattaya for an extended stay, starting in late October, these ladies will have customers, as High Season kicks in.

But, for now, my telephone is figuratively ringing off the hook.[/QUOTE]It's been several years since I walked across the border. I am thinking of making a day trip and hitting the Hong Kong and Chicago club. Little concern about the safety.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2858590]Exactly. The one time of year not to be in Pattaya is high season, I have always avoided it and only come to Thailand and Pattaya during low season. Indeed the hotels are cheaper, but the two main reasons are avoiding the crowds and having leverage on the ladies that are desperate for customers which equates to cheaper and better service. Better service because they are more intent on obtaining repeat customers given the dearth of customers overall.[/QUOTE]But keep in mind that there are not only many more girls in Pattaya during high season but plenty more hot ones.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2858751]Although I am in Mexico at the moment, I am getting pinged by ladies looking for customers (obviously, they aren't looking at my Facebook).[/QUOTE]Are you surprised they do not stalk yours since you stalk theirs? Unlike many tricks, hookers are not worried about what you are doing that does not have to do with you bringing them money.

There's an Idiot you Tuber. He goes on dates with prostitutes in South East Asia. Assuming like Exploring says many have boyfriend's.

He is getting Threats on his Social Media accounts now. Of what nature I'm not sure as I don't follow him much.

Be careful of Bragging or showing your exploits on Media of Social s.

It's always I hear Boyfriend's are fine with us,. I'm not so sure about that. No need to Rile them up.

In Pattaya now staying at Holiday inn express. Nice hotel in the middle of action. Was kind of wiped out with action in Phnom Penh, I guess old body cannot handle like 10 years ago. Went for a massage which was good. Cost 300 baht. Plenty of bars on the street but hardly anybody inside. All the girls are outside trying to solicit customers. Talked to couple of good looking ones but I did not bite.

Slept well and let us see what happens today. Want to visit new temple of truth.

Pattaya is well known for everyone so no need for situation report.

Curious what you fellas are getting quoted for TF women? When I was in Patts in February I was paying 1500, sometimes 2000 for ST. This is pretty reasonable for my budget and I have qualms paying that, but curious to see if it's low, average, high? Funny enough the 2000 rates were usually when I ST an African woman. Most Thai broads were happy with 1500 off of TF.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2858939]Curious what you fellas are getting quoted for TF women? When I was in Patts in February I was paying 1500, sometimes 2000 for ST. This is pretty reasonable for my budget and I have qualms paying that, but curious to see if it's low, average, high? Funny enough the 2000 rates were usually when I ST an African woman. Most Thai broads were happy with 1500 off of TF.[/QUOTE]Why would you pay what you are quoted, when you can pay what you negotiate (especially when you have qualms paying it)?

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2858846]There's an Idiot you Tuber. He goes on dates with prostitutes in South East Asia. Assuming like Exploring says many have boyfriend's.

He is getting Threats on his Social Media accounts now. Of what nature I'm not sure as I don't follow him much.

Be careful of Bragging or showing your exploits on Media of Social s.

It's always I hear Boyfriend's are fine with us,. I'm not so sure about that. No need to Rile them up.[/QUOTE]Thai boyfriends in Pattaya come in 2 flavors. Those that make money off their "girlfriend" (they are happy when their lady is making money), and those who don't. If a bargirl has a boyfriend who isn't collecting from her, she is constrained to telling him she works "only drink" and can't go LT with customers. If she works in an open bar, she may not even be able to do ST.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2858987]Why would you pay what you are quoted, when you can pay what you negotiate (especially when you have qualms paying it)?[/QUOTE]Whoops, meant to say I have NO qualms paying 1500 for ST. I'm just curious if it's par for what the rest of you folks are paying.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2858803]Let me explain how I operate, it's probably similar to anyone who stays in Pattaya for a long time.

In the case where I want a new lady, I will hit the bars. I will buy some drinks, and if the lady is acceptable, I will barfine her to go back to the condo for drinks.

Once in the condo, I will set up tequila for her, and my drinks for me. I have colored LEDS, like a bar, big screen TV and YouTube with no ads. I start off playing Reggeton, which is great for the ladies, since most Farangs don't play that in the bars. After some tequila is consumed, I will change to Isaan music, depending on the age of the lady, varying from Nescafe to Lam Yai, to Jintara.

At that point, the lady usually loves to talk about herself (they have zero interest in me), or her customers. If she has a sponsor, she will complain what an a* the guy is. As long as the lady is talking about herself, she is happy.

This is not to say there aren't duds, some ladies don't like to drink, and just want a quick fuck. I even had one lady who told me she wasn't having her period, and then said she had her period once in the condo. The bad ones are no repeats.

Most ladies will make their move after 3 hours or so, and hit the bedroom. Not because they are horny, but because it's their job. A small percent *are* horny, which is a problem for me, because they want to fuck too long.

Over time, I get a harem of ladies in my rotation. So, my problem isn't finding ladies, or money, it's time for all of them, at least in Low Season.

I know this isn't too useful for someone in Pattaya for 3 days, but lots of people stay in Thailand for 2+ weeks. As long as you don't get hooked by one lady, you have time to make a rotation.[/QUOTE]I am impressed. Good job.

1. Sharks. 9 pm. 2 customers. You might think Wow. It's always like that. Hahaha.

2 . Horny Bar Soi 6. A Korean barfined what looks like an 8. I was impressed, might have been Silicone, if so a big no go for me but her Face was Grade A.

As for the rest 1,000 would be acceptable,. Who knows.

3. That open air corner Bar Soi 6 Beach Road entry. On the busy side.

Look like 2 new server types. Wow they were Hot-. No silicones.

If you guessed. Silicones are just a no go for me.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2859063]Whoops, meant to say I have NO qualms paying 1500 for ST. I'm just curious if it's par for what the rest of you folks are paying.[/QUOTE]I have been paying 1,000. The ones that balk at 1,000, if I really want to see them, I tell them 1,000 and if sevice is good I will tip 200. That usually gets them through the door. But I only tip if the service is good. The most recent lady I saw under this proposition, the service was average at best so I handed her 1,000 at session's end and she made no hesitation or utterance signaling that she thought she deserved a tip. Out the door she went, never to be repeated.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2858939]Curious what you fellas are getting quoted for TF women? When I was in Patts in February I was paying 1500, sometimes 2000 for ST. This is pretty reasonable for my budget and I have qualms paying that, but curious to see if it's low, average, high? Funny enough the 2000 rates were usually when I ST an African woman. Most Thai broads were happy with 1500 off of TF.[/QUOTE]ST can be anything from 1000 to 5000, I usually pay 1000 to 1500 with the odd girl that's 2000. I don't go with the 5000 girls as you can see that they are managed by a pimp.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2859175]ST can be anything from 1000 to 5000, I usually pay 1000 to 1500 with the odd girl that's 2000. I don't go with the 5000 girls as you can see that they are managed by a pimp.[/QUOTE]Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2859196]Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Don't know if I reported on it, but I did have a TF chick last month that told me that was the case. Definitely did not pay her 5000. I think I arranged the usual 1200 LT. But when the girl was about to leave early is when I found this out. It seems she had no idea what our agreement was. I told her to look in her phone at our messages. Well our messages were not in her phone. She said there are several phones and it was her girlfriend that makes the arrangements then send her or other chicks. She said it is common for chicks on TF to work that way.

I think it was the same with a chick I had a few months back as well. She had to get home because the Tom had the baby and doesn't know anything about kids. It was not her baby, but a friend asked her to watch the baby a few months ago and never came back to get it. LOL. Thai people are something else.

Just a theory given to me by someone way more experience and that has way more style than many of my haters that are out there. But it makes sense to me. After all I am newbie. How long have been in Pattaya so far?

When you get a girl that shows up that is not the girl in the photos on the Thai Friendly (TF) account you were looking at. The chance exists that it is a pimp working the page and when they get a live one they just send out a girl that looks similar to the photos and hope she does not get rejected. I have no proof of this.

I actually have had that experience. Girl from TF that showed up was not in the pictures. Did not have the same tattoos. But she was even hotter that the girl in the pictures. Performance was outstanding! Missionary, Doggy, BBBJCIM.

[B]1000 THB[/B]

I gave her 1100 THB. She gave me back 100 THB. I gave it back to her and told her it was for her taxi. She thanked me.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2859196]Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]What information have you presented to prove there are no pimps in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2859292]Don't know if I reported on it, but I did have a TF chick last month that told me that was the case. Definitely did not pay her 5000. I think I arranged the usual 1200 LT. But when the girl was about to leave early is when I found this out. It seems she had no idea what our agreement was. I told her to look in her phone at our messages. Well our messages were not in her phone. She said there are several phones and it was her girlfriend that makes the arrangements then send her or other chicks. She said it is common for chicks on TF to work that way.

I think it was the same with a chick I had a few months back as well. She had to get home because the Tom had the baby and doesn't know anything about kids. It was not her baby, but a friend asked her to watch the baby a few months ago and never came back to get it. LOL. Thai people are something else.[/QUOTE]What you are describing is an agency, not a pimp. Typically, high end customers use agencies, and pay top dollar. I took an agency lady to Phuket last month. Paid low dollar.

Not really. It is called developing nation culture. Those with western backgrounds who would be considered to be privileged in the world, have no idea, nor do they spend anytime learning about that type of culture. Things that visitors comment on that I read all over the ISG forums about how different the culture is from their own and their surprise can be traced right back to them being born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Don't believe me. Do your own research in to what it takes net worth and income wise to be in the top 1% worldwide and in different nations around the world. Then stop laughing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2859292]I think it was the same with a chick I had a few months back as well. She had to get home because the Tom had the baby and doesn't know anything about kids. It was not her baby, but a friend asked her to watch the baby a few months ago and never came back to get it. LOL. [b]Thai people are something else.[/b][/QUOTE]Shaking my head.

I just filled up the tank on my girlfriends moto for 380 THB. She thanked me profusely. Told me she has never had a full tank before. She just buys 100 THB at a time. I thought that was fucking expensive given the little amount fuel that thing holds. She told me she thinks it will last her a month. Yep, western people with their privileged attitudes are something else.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2859196]Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Don't be naive, it's Thailand. Every freelancer is not "Free" or even every working girl.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2859196]Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I've seen enough girls that seem to speak fair English in their messages and then can barely speak a work when you meet them and don't remember the conversation. Then I have heard many complaints about groups of girls working off a shared number etc. Also some TF girls with similar, literate but bizarre profiles.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2859424]I've seen enough girls that seem to speak fair English in their messages and then can barely speak a work when you meet them and don't remember the conversation. Then I have heard many complaints about groups of girls working off a shared number etc. Also some TF girls with similar, literate but bizarre profiles.[/QUOTE]I found this is Hua Hin a few months ago.

The 19 yo SYT I had a session with delivered up everything I wanted (BBFS and CIP).

Later when talking to her again, I found out she had other friends available too, all working off the same profile, and other profiles.

So I asked her if they also did BBFS, CIP, she answered no, nobody does that.

I saw the not quite right flag and went to myself hold on now, and probed the entity I was chatting with.

Turned out it was either a her or a she, never quite worked that out, and they were running a TF based, apartment (like FiwiFans), outcall, and massage shop for overflow setup.

They even admitted later in conversation that the girls had previously worked FiwiFans setups in Bangkok.

Now if they could do that in Hua Hin, they could likely do the same easily of TF in Pattaya.

Interesting. Never thought TF broads would have pimps. Though from the sound of it some of those cases just sound like their friends / a girl-collective just working together rather than reporting to a pimp. I always wondered about the bizarre disconnect between english via text and then nadda when we meet face to face. I had thought it was just Google translate, but then again you could usually tell because the grammar is off. These broads are coordinated and crafty, huh.

It now seems to be established practice at Soi 6 for comparatively young better-looking girls to expect more than the standard 1000. Sometimes they will quote their price, sometimes they will first ask "how much you give me"? Maybe nothing has changed and they're only the same girls as those who have always wanted lady drinks before going to the room.

I'm quite picky and all the girls I've asked on this trip from Soi 6, bar one, asked for 2 k ST, the other asked for 1. 5 k, all of them immediately accepted 1. 5 k and I didn't buy any of them a drink.

Just been quoted 4 k for ST by a girl on Thai Friendly, unfortunately some idiot will probably pay but it won't be this idiot.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2859424]I've seen enough girls that seem to speak fair English in their messages and then can barely speak a work when you meet them and don't remember the conversation. Then I have heard many complaints about groups of girls working off a shared number etc. Also some TF girls with similar, literate but bizarre profiles.[/QUOTE]The bargirls use something called "Google Translate".

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2859449]Interesting. Never thought TF broads would have pimps. Though from the sound of it some of those cases just sound like their friends / a girl-collective just working together rather than reporting to a pimp. I always wondered about the bizarre disconnect between english via text and then nadda when we meet face to face. I had thought it was just Google translate, but then again you could usually tell because the grammar is off. These broads are coordinated and crafty, huh.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, I've first came to Thailand Pattaya, in the mid 70's just for a few days to see a friend in service. Years later in the mid 1990's at that time I came with a number of cousins from the States and another from Hong Kong who were very connected to the scene here.

Then I kind of went with the flow of things those days I really enjoyed the Soapy it was cheap and the service was top notch at least for me. I was taken to a few places I would call local working girl houses in my neck of the woods, a bunch of girls in a room on couches not in fish bowls, which they were called line up, none I remember could speak a lick of English, the thing that sticks there was a guy papasan who handle the whole thing with my cousin from Hong Kong what turn me off was mentioned of service, do I like them young, virgin, etc. LBM don't play that kiddy fucker thing nor do I do girls against their will I politely decline and pass on the place. I still remember the general area for the place, across from Nana other side of Sukhumvit, in Pattaya it was on the side street across from Big see extra then even before Carrefour there was nothing.

This is the closes I've encountered to a Pimp situation and in all my years living here with Thais, not even behind the Esso gas station what I refer years ago to the Thai Soi 6, seen Thai guys hanging around but talking to the girls nothing in the line these guys were pimps.

In all my years living here with Thai locals in the Thai so-called mafia or BIB mafia once they find out would crack down quickly but funny they will turn a blind eye with a nice brown envelope to Children and sex trafficking.

It might seem like a pimp move but more like a friend usually a boyfriend or Tom showing them the ropes on how to make some money.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2859449]Interesting. Never thought TF broads would have pimps. Though from the sound of it some of those cases just sound like their friends / a girl-collective just working together rather than reporting to a pimp. I always wondered about the bizarre disconnect between english via text and then nadda when we meet face to face. I had thought it was just Google translate, but then again you could usually tell because the grammar is off. These broads are coordinated and crafty, huh.[/QUOTE]Not ladies working together. A tiny number work for an agency that sets up customers with ladies. I have seen the websites:

[URL]https://www.pattayaescortgirls.com/[/URL]

Not the same as a pimp.

[QUOTE=XXL;2859459]It now seems to be established practice at Soi 6 for comparatively young better-looking girls to expect more than the standard 1000. Sometimes they will quote their price, sometimes they will first ask "how much you give me"? Maybe nothing has changed and they're only the same girls as those who have always wanted lady drinks before going to the room.[/QUOTE]Many girls have to meet their drink quota before they can be barfined. Especially if the girls is working under a "contract".

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2859387]Not really. It is called developing nation culture.[/QUOTE]And in how many developing countries do people ask a friend to babysit their newborn baby and then disappear for months, years, or forever? This scenario has been told to me time and time again in Thailand. Never heard it in Colombia. Never heard it in Brazil. TIT!

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2859491]Many girls have to meet their drink quota before they can be barfined. Especially if the girls is working under a "contract".[/QUOTE]You are serious about this?

A bargirl is on a 10 day contract, but cannot be barfined the first few days because she hasn't met her drink quota yet?

Well, I guess that ends all the FOB stories.

Her name is Tao Bin.

Nice white skin you know the Drill.

1st met her she charged 25 (00). A few months go on she decides to up price to 45 (00).

At 25 (00) business was Brisk. At 45 (00) business was non existent.

Did she raise price to 65 (00) to make up for No business at 45 (00)?

No way in San Jose. She is a bright girl and went back down to 25 (00).

I indulged heavily at 25 but Never at 45. She should try 35 to be honest, her product is Fine.

Tao Bin is a Vending Machine franchise. Principal Holds though. You price yourself Fair you will make money. Yes I do think Walking Street is over priced.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2859556]A bargirl is on a 10 day contract, but cannot be barfined the first few days because she hasn't met her drink quota yet?[/QUOTE]It's more like you are requested to pay her one (or a few) LDs before being able to take her out of the bar until the next day.

[QUOTE=XXL;2859459]It now seems to be established practice at Soi 6 for comparatively young better-looking girls to expect more than the standard 1000. Sometimes they will quote their price, sometimes they will first ask "how much you give me"? Maybe nothing has changed and they're only the same girls as those who have always wanted lady drinks before going to the room.[/QUOTE]It's not something new, already been the case a few months ago.

Some girls are trying to pin a starting price at 1500 (some others at 2 K) but you're not entitled to pay that price. There is always room for negotiation but it can be done better when you're sitting with her in the bar in front of your drink and her LD than standing in the street in front of her bar. I still can get some girls I want at 1 K,some others don't want to get that low, then I decide if I like her a lot or not and adjust my price accordingly or move on (I paid only once 1,5 K, every others were below).

I am currently in Pattaya for a mongering trip. I have been active on TF for a long time. Yes there are pimps and can be spotted when they reply to your messages or share PM's. Some girls have multiple accounts as well. I guess what I am trying to say here is TF is not scam free, one must be careful. Never pay in advance and never expect a girl that matches to her profile 100%. Idea is to be smart and keep multiple back ups to avoid a dry spell. Day before I had a girl in room while 2 other girls were waiting for me in the lobby. I told them I am with a girl in room for ST and they should wait for an hour and guess what they were fine with it. Next hour I was with another girl for ST and 2 more were waiting for me in the lobby. If I don't like a girl I'll choose another one without losing time. I am hard pressed for time and don't like the waiting game. I'll share my reports later. Njoy and keep banging hard.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2859449]Interesting. Never thought TF broads would have pimps. Though from the sound of it some of those cases just sound like their friends / a girl-collective just working together rather than reporting to a pimp. I always wondered about the bizarre disconnect between english via text and then nadda when we meet face to face. I had thought it was just Google translate, but then again you could usually tell because the grammar is off. These broads are coordinated and crafty, huh.[/QUOTE]

I've noted this a number of times. Many times although they speak some English the translation or explanation isn't what one thinks it is?

Bars and contract I'm sure it happen anything is possible sine from my experience many bar owners got more money than brains. I've not heard of a place that wouldn't allow a girl leave because they haven't met their quotas. I've known a couple when Covid opened they never completed their contract just took a walk left money on table because of unreasonable terms place or a misinterpreted. I've come across a few owners and managers that Forest Gump would give them a run for their money.

Thai culture! Our minimum Thais can't meet? I keep this under my breathe but Thai have kids that is what is taught to them you got to pass on your genes. Their standand of love, care I questionef easy to have them but clueless thereafter. Having kids is tough there is no real way but in the West you are taught alternatives here nothing especially the poor they do what has been done in past by parents and family. Like pets dogs they are so cute but thereafter school age they can seem for them to grow up like Soi dogs once they are of age no longer cute tough to control theycarevtge put out this the reason there are hundred if not thousand living in packs on Soi on the Darkside.

I see kids in my village at 4-5 years on their own playing on the Soi sharing drinks candy while parents are sleeping I tell my son " I have a CD " on their future majority of the time I'm correct it isn't rocket science. Like my granddaughter my son I watch them like a hawk so they don't get taken and sold. Years ago next Soi my village 7 year old. Girl the mother left to go to work felt the neighbor next door and others were trusted enough to watch basically leaving her 20 baht instruction if hungry dinner ask my wife to make her a dish my wife would keep a tap end of week square up. This is very common from my experience. One day she went missing the look high and low dredged the pond in the neighborhood day later a sidecarts vendor remember spotting her with the neighbor after questioning she confused to wanting the girl cheap phone neighbor needed money to but drugs told her a lie mother want me to take you to her work instead took her to this isolated reservoir strangled the kid took phone and sold it for 500 Hundred baht.

I see kids 13-15 having kids forcing male family to make payouts of 25-50,000 for breaking their daughters cherry, more if they find out mother is working at a bar or go-go, I know one who was asked 250,000, or they calling cops. When deal is done parents of daughter lost of face call it what people want tells the girl boys family she yours now to take care. You got kids leaving their kids and never looking back reason we guys are here writing it will never end this is their culture that they don't want to face. My brother step daughter BF mother left to sister when she got a BF left him at an orphanage my brother Thai son GF same mother left her at orphanage when she hook up with a farang the farang like most don't want someone else kids.

They! Thais have a different level of standard particularly the poor the ones who work in the profession but as an outsider if you were to say what I just wrote you looking at an volcano explosion. Does it happened yes usually it is left to a family member or a good friend. But I'm not one to say it doesn't happen.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2859544]And in how many developing countries do people ask a friend to babysit their newborn baby and then disappear for months, years, or forever? This scenario has been told to me time and time again in Thailand. Never heard it in Colombia. Never heard it in Brazil. TIT![/QUOTE]Not a realistic story.

If a young girl in the village has a baby, she leaves it with her family, or the family of the father.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2859491]Many girls have to meet their drink quota before they can be barfined. Especially if the girls is working under a "contract".[/QUOTE]Nuance. Many girls WANT to get the daily drink quota before barfine (aka if 10 days /60 drink contract she would do a barfine after 6 drinks). New in Pattaya, common on Phuket.

Bad development BTW.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2857298]Finally figured out a very probable reason why there has been a heavy Korean vlogger presence on / around Soi 6.

At least one of the bars on the Soi (panda bar) is Korean owned. They're trying to bring in the clientele they want (possibly by paying the vloggers for more exposure).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2857461]I know only of two K-streamers doing the soi consistantly and never saw them stopping by Panda bar.

Why? Easy, Panda has only old or unattractive girls.

The only guy I've seen going there is the guy distributing candies to the fatties of the soi.[/QUOTE]It's funny a few days after your post was edited K-streamer went there and did a live stream for quite some time.

You might be right that he's been paid for by the bar owner because the girl he streamed is really not the kind he would spend time with normally (a camera friendly girl again, these guys are recycling the same girls from one to another streamer).

On a side note I'll adjust my statement that all the girls are unattractive.

I went there a few days ago and found one that suited me very well (except she had some baby damage when she undressed), but I spent quite some time inside the bar and the immense majority looked really not impressive.

To my surprise the place was really packed inside, with lots of Asian customers (looked like K-men and J-men).

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2859658] Years ago next Soi my village 7 year old. Girl the mother left to go to work felt the neighbor next door and others were trusted enough to watch basically leaving her 20 baht instruction if hungry dinner ask my wife to make her a dish my wife would keep a tap end of week square up. This is very common from my experience. One day she went missing the look high and low dredged the pond in the neighborhood day later a sidecarts vendor remember spotting her with the neighbor after questioning she confused to wanting the girl cheap phone neighbor needed money to but drugs told her a lie mother want me to take you to her work instead took her to this isolated reservoir strangled the kid took phone and sold it for 500 Hundred baht.[/QUOTE]Damn, that's typically the kind of horror stories I've been reading in the Cambodian news these last years, but it's the first time I read these stuffs about Thailand.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2859673]Not a realistic story.

If a young girl in the village has a baby, she leaves it with her family, or the family of the father.[/QUOTE]Except I am not talking about the village. I am talking about Pattaya. Definitely a realistic story because I have heard it several times. Even a chick that I used to mess with hard when I first moved to Pattaya did it. I did not even know she had a kid. Then years later I met some other chick and showed her May's picture. She told me that before I even knew her she had a kid and left it with a chick that worked at a salon and never came back to get it. She then married some doctor and moved to Germany. When I met her she had come back from Germany for holiday in Pattaya and was talking about breaking up with the guy. I ran into May a couple of years after the chick told me about the situation and asked her about it and she brushed it off and did not want to talk about it. She did not say that is a lie and not a realistic story.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2859316]When you get a girl that shows up that is not the girl in the photos on the Thai Friendly (TF) account you were looking at. The chance exists that it is a pimp working the page and when they get a live one they just send out a girl that looks similar to the photos and hope she does not get rejected. I have no proof of this.

What information have you presented to prove there are no pimps in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]You are asking for proof yet you comment without proof.

Across Central there is a new Beer Bar complex. Quite big. I think it's name is Beer Bar Complex. Hahaha.

Nana Plaza School Girl might be a Star here. Hahaha.

Only thing I can imagine is every Bar is backed by Farang BF money. Nothing else makes sense.

Buzzin Bar wasn't Buzzin outside.

I wanted to sit down before going to Soi 6 so I had a seat in Crystal Club.

Nana Plaza School Girl could be top Bargirl here. Hahaha.

Strolled Lengkee and Chaiyapoon.

Nana School Girl could give lessons to these workers, they look lazy. Hahaha. Can't blame them I was only customer in sight.

Everyone is complaining about the rain in Pattaya, which keeps customers away from the bars. Rainy season should be over by now.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2859470]I'm quite picky and all the girls I've asked on this trip from Soi 6, bar one, asked for 2 k ST, the other asked for 1. 5 k, all of them immediately accepted 1. 5 k and I didn't buy any of them a drink.

Just been quoted 4 k for ST by a girl on Thai Friendly, unfortunately some idiot will probably pay but it won't be this idiot.[/QUOTE]They absolute pay it. Found a hot one off of TF with the body type the I like. Laughed at my 1000 THB. Said I was a "cheap brother". Told me that the "Brothers" pay her 3000 - 5000 THB and sometimes not even to have sex. Bragged that she was eating lunch at that very moment with someone who gave her 3000 just to hang out.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2859702]Damn, that's typically the kind of horror stories I've been reading in the Cambodian news these last years, but it's the first time I read these stuffs about Thailand.[/QUOTE]The stories are there, this story isn't going to be out there for tourists to see the majority of the time it is going to be on the 7 pm Thai news that is why it is " Land of Smile "

At the risk of proving I am hopeless, I would like to pose a question. * I think I know most of what the responses will be, but who knows, maybe something different will come up that I had not thought of.

I have made 5 trips to Patts this year, so have a reasonable idea of the lay of the land. * By no means an "expert". * At this point in my existence I am well passed how many ST's can I accomplish in a single day. * My desire is to find a "girlfriend" for a few hours. * I am interested is something that would include her getting reasonably dressed up, out for drinks / dinner maybe finding a place for some music or an upscale lounge afterwards, then finish the evening with an hour or two of adult playtime in my hotel. * I prefer not to have overnights since I get up early and also do not intend to stay out late (1:00-2:00 am).

Yes, I understand this is a "dream arrangement" and not likely to come to fruition, but IMHO it is worth a bit of effort to pursue. * I will give my ideas of how to maximize the chances of a non-resident achieving the goal and anyone is encouraged to offer opinions or something I had not thought of to increase the odds of success.

I use TF a LOT when in town, usually starting a few days before I arrive. * I have found that many if not most ladies are really focused on ST only and are not really interested in an arrangement for the evening. * Also, not sure that a lot of them have the conversation skills to make it worth the effort, no matter how hot they may be. * I usually target 23-32 yr olds in my search, but am open to suggestions. * I tend to enjoy the 28-35 age range as I have found they have a bit more appreciation when a gentleman treats them well, and are better skilled in the art of pleasing a man.

I have thought about cruising the massage shops in the early afternoon, finding something that suits my eye, having her do a foot massage to get a feel for compatibility, then bar fining her out of the shop for the rest of her shift and go from there. She could go home and get dressed and we could meet and some rooftop bar for cocktails and continue from that. **.

Bar fine one of the gals from a GClub for the evening, as they are accustomed to entertaining a customer to elicit LD's and those clubs tend to open early in the afternoon to be able to make arrangements.

This one is a bit "out there", but chatting up some nice lass at a retail location and see if she has interest in supplementing her income. * A lot could go wrong with this approach and not sure how it would be received. * Don't want to be labeled and as a perv.

See if I can find a "tour guide" to show me the "nightlife" which would include dinner / drinks. * Again, this may lead to a handshake after dinner, but has potential. * The problem is where to advertise for the guide or find them on there own. * I am not really good with FB, and am not sure if that is a good source.

Find a "service" that curates ladies just for this type of event. * I am sure the prices would be eye watering, but for a single evening might be worth an investment.

That is my list, and any suggestions are encouraged.

I am well aware that I am opening the door to ridicule and all sorts of "slings and arrows", while it may not appear to be the case I am fairly adept at navigating the P4 P scene, but as I said, always open to opportunities I may have not considered.

TIA.

Sky.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2859871]At the risk of proving I am hopeless, I would like to pose a question. * I think I know most of what the responses will be, but who knows, maybe something different will come up that I had not thought of.

TIA.

Sky.[/QUOTE]Sorry about the asterisks, no idea why they appeared.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2859871]
I use TF a LOT when in town, usually starting a few days before I arrive. * I have found that many if not most ladies are really focused on ST only and are not really interested in an arrangement for the evening. * Also, not sure that a lot of them have the conversation skills to make it worth the effort, no matter how hot they may be. * I usually target 23-32 yr olds in my search, but am open to suggestions. * I tend to enjoy the 28-35 age range as I have found they have a bit more appreciation when a gentleman treats them well, and are better skilled in the art of pleasing a man.[/QUOTE]Brother just ask for what you want on TF. I have no problem finding girls that want to go out. But I ask them if they are interested in more than just a ST customer. To achieve what you want you may need to have a meet and greet to check compatibility before. You can make it strictly platonic and pay for their taxi and coffee, tea or drinks. Or you can do like I do and tell them they are going to have to talk with me an hour and check chemistry before we do our ST session. Never been a problem.

Look I have chatted up a girl I liked on the Bath Bus. She is a non. Pro. There are some dumb mother fuckers up in here that challenged me. Thinking only with their dick and lack of imagination. But I know what she is. Not pressed at all to get with me. Goes to class everyday. And has made almost zero effort to meet me. Yet, we still talk. Maybe someday we will meet. But it is not high on her list priorities. Now to the dumb ass who said: "She could be selling it every night" well she could be. But she is not trying to sell it to me. [B]LOL![/B].

As for the critics, simply do not pay attention to them. If they don't have anything to constructively add as I have done simply ignore them. There are those that talk and those that do. Be a man in the arena brother. Like I am!

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2859872]Sorry about the asterisks, no idea why they appeared.[/QUOTE]Short version. You look for a real GFE experience. Would probably qualify as longtime because you want to spend more hours.

This is possible however a bit hard and nobody would be able to give you a straight answer (visit girl x) because it seems chemistry between you and the lady is ALSO important.

Your best bets are TF (but as you said a lot just look for ST) or a working chick. My advise would be to ignore massage ladies (probably most are too old for you) and I would also avoid soi6.

Because you want someone who can holds a conversation it means she needs to speak English at a decent level. Well. That probably means she's working in Pattaya long time or have some higher education?

Maybe try a normal shop if you see someone who you like there?

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2859871]At the risk of proving I am hopeless, I would like to pose a question. * I think I know most of what the responses will be, but who knows, maybe something different will come up that I had not thought of.



Sky.[/QUOTE]What you are seeking used to be very easy to find. I have had it happen several times in Bangkok and Pattaya where I met a girl and clicked and spent lots of time together with amazing sex on top. But now the whole scene is too commercial. Short time, quick money. The girls are not looking for a foreign knight in shining armor any more. I think Pattaya is too much of a sex destination and every visitor is labeled (rightly so) as a sex tourist. You are likely to have better luck in Bangkok. But overall lack of English will continue to be an issue. In that regards Philippines is a better bet.

You wonder why I rant about sponsors?

I posted about a bargirl who sponsor had a moment of lucidity and realized that she only loved him for his money. So, he cut her off. The first thing she did was to ask me for a "date".

But then, he sunk back into loneliness and sent her some money. So, she was a no-show for our "date". No message with an excuse, she just ghosted me.

Of course, that takes her out of my rotation, so the next time he cuts her off, she is out of luck.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2859871]At the risk of proving I am hopeless, I would like to pose a question. * I think I know most of what the responses will be, but who knows, maybe something different will come up that I had not thought of.

I have made 5 trips to Patts this year, so have a reasonable idea of the lay of the land. * By no means an "expert". * At this point in my existence I am well passed how many ST's can I accomplish in a single day. * My desire is to find a "girlfriend" for a few hours. * I am interested is something that would include her getting reasonably dressed up, out for drinks / dinner maybe finding a place for some music or an upscale lounge afterwards, then finish the evening with an hour or two of adult playtime in my hotel. * I prefer not to have overnights since I get up early and also do not intend to stay out late (1:00-2:00 am).

Yes, I understand this is a "dream arrangement" and not likely to come to fruition, but IMHO it is worth a bit of effort to pursue. * I will give my ideas of how to maximize the chances of a non-resident achieving the goal and anyone is encouraged to offer opinions or something I had not thought of to increase the odds of success..[/QUOTE]That's a kind of relationship you need to cultivate over time. Undoubtedly, you'll not find it from a bargirl. The difficulty is that you risk finding what you want on a TF response, but the girl turns out to be a total dud. For most Pattaya girls, it's all about the money. My advice is to just stick to ST and keep your losses to a minimum.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQQDaTobtlA[/URL]

Please compare these to Nana Plaza Schoolgirl.

Lets say 3 categories. Superstars, Average, Beach Road Quality.

Would you place Schoolgirl in same category as these 2? Average Category?

I went to Repent on Wednesday didn't see these 2.

How to tell the age of a bargirl:

The longer she stays after you pay her, the older she is.

Another sign of High Season beginning: my 2 pm lady ghosted me. No message with an excuse, but she did post on Facebook that she was with a customer.

As High Season intensifies, more ladies will flake out on me, until the Christmas holiday when no one will schedule with me (time to go to Brazil then).

I expect this High Season to be the busiest ever, barring some international calamity.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2858513]I remember when there weren't models/hostesses and LD on WS were 100/120 baht, 60/80 baht on Soi 6 and G clubs. Does this mean the girls are making more per drink now or do the girls still make the same 50 baht they made at 120 baht LD as they do on 230 baht LD?

Higher prices means fewer drinks for the girls from me. I'm down to Panda, Cat Ears, and Cutest Girl Ever at Palace for drinks.





Buried in all our trash talk here are 2 very well thought out reviews by StL and Jim. Please go back a page and read them if you enjoy actual reviews that name bars and girls. Thanks guys for the information.[/QUOTE]Panda is now at XS, not at Palace. XS actually had the most girls now and probably better quality than all bars. Pin Up is scarce and redesigned (same owner). 79 Agogo is worth checking out, plenty of former WhatsUp girls. Okeamos is trash even with its 3 floors (VIP upstairs) and same style and quality as Bachelor LK. Same mamasan from there too.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2860133]Another sign of High Season beginning: my 2 pm lady ghosted me. No message with an excuse, but she did post on Facebook that she was with a customer.

As High Season intensifies, more ladies will flake out on me, until the Christmas holiday when no one will schedule with me (time to go to Brazil then).

I expect this High Season to be the busiest ever, barring some international calamity.[/QUOTE]Even TAT is expecting a Slow High Season.

Plus when you have Thailand implementing a who knows what Tax scheme in 2024 that can't be good for Business.

My 330 days in Thailand might have to be cut down to 179 days.

Gold Standard is Orange Haired Baitoey. Looks Only.

I met a girl not as pretty but very Acceptable Face. Nice Deameanor. A bit more Melatonin than I like. Bigger Sized.

Her 1st quote 2,000. I thought was Fare.

Biggest selling point was Grade A Tittie's. Perky original size Big be.

Soi 6.

Post wouldn't be Funny. Almost forgot. Her teeth not the Best of Shape. Different Directions. Hahaha.

I think I'll barfine though. Teeth aren't a deal killer.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2860147]Panda is now at XS, not at Palace. XS actually had the most girls now and probably better quality than all bars. Pin Up is scarce and redesigned (same owner). 79 Agogo is worth checking out, plenty of former WhatsUp girls. Okeamos is trash even with its 3 floors (VIP upstairs) and same style and quality as Bachelor LK. Same mamasan from there too.[/QUOTE]Did I miss the place, Where is Okeamos?

Haven't visit yet but last week was at King Kong for dinner, one of waitress recognized my cousin in conversation I ask owner a American? She pointed to table on corner owners Joint ownership Thai women and a Japanese guy interesting.

She also told us after visiting their new GoGo on WS, name One Stop GoGo, name might be wrong but I think someone mentioned it recently. Location sounds like former Pascha near Bacarra. From her reaction sounds expensive BF, I joked 600 baht she laughs that is Coconut bar price she double dips as a waitress and Agency girl at the GoGo.

Tell me if this isn't Funny.

Explorer is Danderman123 on ASEAN News.

He post about high season,. His 2 Bargirls cancelled.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2859912]What you are seeking used to be very easy to find. I have had it happen several times in Bangkok and Pattaya where I met a girl and clicked and spent lots of time together with amazing sex on top. But now the whole scene is too commercial. Short time, quick money. The girls are not looking for a foreign knight in shining armor any more. I think Pattaya is too much of a sex destination and every visitor is labeled (rightly so) as a sex tourist. You are likely to have better luck in Bangkok. But overall lack of English will continue to be an issue. In that regards Philippines is a better bet.[/QUOTE]Although people have labeled me as newbie, I have not found the commercial aspect to be universally true. But maybe that is because I am looking at things with fresh eyes and I do thing differently. But whenever you make judgements about an entire city, or industry I think you miss subtle aspects or the exceptions. For example, those who know that there are casinos in Las Vegas most likely understand that everyone who actually lives in Las Vegas is not a gambler.

I have plenty of girls on Thai Friend tell me they are not interested in short time. So, I pivot and say let's just meet over coffee tea or drinks and they come back with, no I am not interested because I know you will continue to look for girls. There are plenty of girls still looking for that that foreign man to do the things men used to do for girls (protect and provide). And they are willing to do the things that girls used to provide (fuck, cook, clean, take care of children). I speak from my experiences only for the short time (get the pun) I have been here.

As for the commercial aspect, I like it! Are we really coming to Pattaya to look for girlfriends? I know many men think they can pay for GFE. You cannot. It is an illusion. If you want true GFE you have to provide BFE (Boy Friend Experience). That requires more than a pocket full of THB (well at least for the guys not paying their prostitutes by bank transfer) and another pocket full of condoms.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2860286]Did I miss the place, Where is Okeamos?

Haven't visit yet but last week was at King Kong for dinner, one of waitress recognized my cousin in conversation I ask owner a American? She pointed to table on corner owners Joint ownership Thai women and a Japanese guy interesting.

She also told us after visiting their new GoGo on WS, name One Stop GoGo, name might be wrong but I think someone mentioned it recently. Location sounds like former Pascha near Bacarra. From her reaction sounds expensive BF, I joked 600 baht she laughs that is Coconut bar price she double dips as a waitress and Agency girl at the GoGo.[/QUOTE]Okeamos is next to Dolls WS. Has a bunch of Chinese advertising all over the black sliding doors. 79 Club is where Pier used to be. A few other new ones on WS but if you see them once, you've seen them all. Lots of girls moved from Baccara to XS. I hate walking into a "new" club and some of the girls, staff, and a mamasans recognize you. They treat you as if you owe them something from yesteryears past. Some of the girls run when they see me because they gained weight or whatever. If I do the GoGo thing, it's just for music and to look. Long time old school guys like me have our long stable list of girls already. And it's true, the longer your are here or they know you, the better the pricing. Just as long as you don't try to compete with weekend millionaires for the 10 pm-2 am weekend time slot. Also don't be a shithead and break their hustles at the GoGo bars. Even if it means not saying "Hi" when you see them sitting with another guy they are trying to scam. Then they will give you a deal. I rather just pay 2000 for a GoGo bar girl for one hour or two hours, before she has to go to work or mid afternoon. Skip all the drinks and barfine BS. Keep in mind, this works only for guys who have a long history of rapport. Newbies they look at you stupid if you try to bargain like that. I tried that at 79 Club for a new never seen before girl and she said no. But then one who I've seen before months ago, readily took the deal for 2000 next day. Coconut Bar is all fucked up because they ripped up the side walk completely from Soi 12 to Central Festival. Girls have migrated to Buakhao and TreeTown. New mayor said no more stationary food carts most of the major roads like Pattayatai. Guess another one tries to clean up Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2860133]Another sign of High Season beginning: my 2 pm lady ghosted me. No message with an excuse, but she did post on Facebook that she was with a customer.

As High Season intensifies, more ladies will flake out on me, until the Christmas holiday when no one will schedule with me (time to go to Brazil then).

I expect this High Season to be the busiest ever, barring some international calamity.[/QUOTE]Per YT videos I have watched, most expect a slow high season. I just left Pattaya a week ago and ladies are texting me to see them because "no customers at all. ".

Just because one lady flaked on you doesn't mean a busy high season has arrived.

I know a Pattaya bargirl who is currently working in Oman. She's a spinner, which means she doesn't have too many customers.

So, she wants to come back to Pattaya, and has been polling her former customers for money for a ticket. Not only did she find a customer to send her cash (from Kuwait), but her long time sponsor has decided to pay for silicon for her nose and tits. He has no idea she is in Oman, she posts on FB as if she is still in the village.

Meanwhile, she asked me to take her on a quick trip abroad when she returns to Pattaya. I don't think she will tell her sponsor about that, either.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2860304]don't be a shithead and break their hustles at the GoGo bars. Even if it means not saying "Hi" when you see them sitting with another guy they are trying to scam. [/QUOTE]Bang on. This is something that isn't discussed on here. Never walk up to a girl when she's drinking with another guy. I will do something subtle like touch her on the leg or say something in Thai as I walk by to let her know I'm there but won't say anything to her. Your girls will usually come up to you after you sit and tell you she'll be back after she milks the guy she's with for a few more drinks.

I don't follow this rule at a club like Windmill cause guys are only there to grope and finger and not try to impress girls by the number of drinks they can afford.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2860147]Panda is now at XS, not at Palace.[/QUOTE]Nice. Thanks for the info. Really miss hanging out with her.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2860147]79 Agogo is worth checking out, plenty of former WhatsUp girls. [/QUOTE]Is my silly short haired girl there? The one from Apple Jacks or whatever that bar was called.

[QUOTE=Raj Patela;2860055][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQQDaTobtlA[/URL]
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I like the second girl. Reminds me of my girl from Pussy Club years ago.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2860298]Although people have labeled me as newbie, I have not found the commercial aspect to be universally true. But maybe that is because I am looking at things with fresh eyes and I do thing differently. But whenever you make judgements about an entire city, or industry I think you miss subtle aspects or the exceptions. For example, those who know that there are casinos in Las Vegas most likely understand that everyone who actually lives in Las Vegas is not a gambler.

I have plenty of girls on Thai Friend tell me they are not interested in short time. So, I pivot and say let's just meet over coffee tea or drinks and they come back with, no I am not interested because I know you will continue to look for girls. There are plenty of girls still looking for that that foreign man to do the things men used to do for girls (protect and provide). And they are willing to do the things that girls used to provide (fuck, cook, clean, take care of children). I speak from my experiences only for the short time (get the pun) I have been here.

As for the commercial aspect, I like it! Are we really coming to Pattaya to look for girlfriends? I know many men think they can pay for GFE. You cannot. It is an illusion. If you want true GFE you have to provide BFE (Boy Friend Experience). That requires more than a pocket full of THB (well at least for the guys not paying their prostitutes by bank transfer) and another pocket full of condoms.[/QUOTE]I would venture that 90% of the male visitors to Pattaya are there for sex. There a lot better beaches, a lot of places with better culture and better food than Pattaya. Pattaya=Pussy. Bangkok of course is a major city and people come there for many reasons. Here its more possible to meet a civvy. On my last trip the taxi driver from Nams Lady taxi was a cute girl in her mid 30's who flirted with me the whole ride to the airport and gave me her number to call her when I come back next time.

Of course as a resident things will work differently for you but the OP was coming as a visitor. My point was in years past, even as a 4 day visitor I could get a genuine GF (not GFE) from girls in both Bangkok and Pattaya. Ill never forget a girl I met outside Nana hotel that was the wildest sex fiend and fun company too. She stayed 3 days with me and I gave her $100 total and she was happy. It was more than just money. I saw her on multiple future trips. I have stories and videos to remember those days. Finding that now is a like the rainbow unicorn. Because its all too commercial.

Commercial has its purpose. Its fine to come point fuck and leave. But again, that's not what the OP was looking for.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2860436]Never walk up to a girl when she's drinking with another guy. [/QUOTE]Agree. He might be falling in love and thinking he found the only chick in Pattaya who not want his money and we don't want to burst that bubble.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2860321]Per YT videos I have watched, most expect a slow high season. I just left Pattaya a week ago and ladies are texting me to see them because "no customers at all. ".

[b]Just because one lady flaked on you doesn't mean a busy high season has arrived.[/b][/QUOTE]I'm with you my ISG brother. In that week you have been gone I have not seen any changes. My regulars are still telling me the same think "I look for customer, but not find". High season may be on its way. But from the number of girls standing on beach road alone tonight at around 9 PM (Sunday) it has not arrived just yet. More pussy for me. Holla!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2860475]I'm with you my ISG brother. In that week you have been gone I have not seen any changes. My regulars are still telling me the same think "I look for customer, but not find". High season may be on its way. But from the number of girls standing on beach road alone tonight at around 9 PM (Sunday) it has not arrived just yet. More pussy for me. Holla![/QUOTE]One big issue now is the rain that falls every night. Keeps customers off the streets and out of the bars. Another is the Hamas war, which precludes more Israeli customers.

Having said that, business for the ladies is perking up.

Pre-COVID high season usually started in the 2nd half of October and became noticeable the final week of October early November. However, even the couple of years prior to COVID high season was not really a thing if guys have been around long enough.

This is important. When I'm talking about High Season I mean an increase of the number of girls. Explorer and many other guys refer to High Season from a girl's perspective and means the number of guys. I couldn't care less how many guys there are. Give me more girls, period.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2860584]Pre-COVID high season usually started in the 2nd half of October and became noticeable the final week of October early November. However, even the couple of years prior to COVID high season was not really a thing if guys have been around long enough.[/QUOTE]I don't really do the bar thing so I would not be in the position to notice the difference. But I will keep an eye out on beach road. Never seems to be a shortage of girls. If more to come that will be quite a sight.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2860584]This is important. When I'm talking about High Season I mean an increase of the number of girls. [b]Explorer and many other guys refer to High Season from a girl's perspective and means the number of guys[/b]. I couldn't care less how many guys there are. Give me more girls, period.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I have not been here long enough to see a difference. I agree with you. More girls. It is just a pussy market under the same rules of supply and demand as any other market.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2860584]Pre-COVID high season usually started in the 2nd half of October and became noticeable the final week of October early November. However, even the couple of years prior to COVID high season was not really a thing if guys have been around long enough.

This is important. When I'm talking about High Season I mean an increase of the number of girls. Explorer and many other guys refer to High Season from a girl's perspective and means the number of guys. I couldn't care less how many guys there are. Give me more girls, period.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, what always happens:

At the end of Low Season, many ladies give up and go home. And new girls stop coming because of reports that Pattaya is "quiet".

Then High Season comes, and customers are jamming the bars. But ladies are relatively scarce. This allows them to command high prices.

As High Season comes to a close, ladies pour into Pattaya, hearing stories of bargirls making big money. So Low Season starts with an excess of bargirls in empty bars.

Shampoo, rinse, repeat.

So May or June is the best time to visit Pattaya. If you don't mind the heat.

Guy needs yo learn how to leg sweep

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gSZakNVSmQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2860443]Nice. Thanks for the info. Really miss hanging out with her.

Is my silly short haired girl there? The one from Apple Jacks or whatever that bar was called.



I like the second girl. Reminds me of my girl from Pussy Club years ago.[/QUOTE]Noi? No, she's not at 79 Club. That bar has the longest narrow set up I've seen ever. You can sit in any section and only see the girls in front of you. Imagine Palace set up, but 3 X the length longer. And the girls don't rotate stage to stage or on stage, they just flip their backs to you or their front. Shame on the designer. The good thing about 79 Club is their lighting. Not dark at all. I go pee just so I can walk to see all the girls on stage.

Speaking of ridiculous. There is some major decent new talent on Soi 6, but these "my style" girls were quoting 2500-3000 upstairs plus room charge and 1-2 drinks. That is RIDICULOUS. I adapted and paid 1500 for few of the better ones last time and even a couple of hotter ones at 2000. This was in a span of 5 months awhile back. But the hell if I am gong to pay 3000 for a Soi 6 girl. I thought my charm was going to get me the regular 1000 plus room and 1 drink price. WRONG. I wasted 3 drinks on 3 hot ones to get quoted of 2000 and 2500, plus room. I am not going to name bars or girls, so they can get their hustle on. But I need to heed my own advice. If you see a super HOT girl on Soi 6, "Ask them first how much before even buying 1 drink. ".

Girls know their worth. Luckily after 3 strikes, I found a girl who gave me a 1000 price. Her body was better than 2 of the 3 strike outs, face was decent enough. So once again, hot girl (my style) at Soi 6 just standing without drinks. There is a reason why. Ask ask ask. And if she gives a high price. Shake your head "no" and make an X with both arms to show "hell no". That will get them some silly unwanted attention from guys walking by. LOL.

It's happening to me.

I thought the reports of Soi 6 girls not going with Customers was Fake News.

I can't even get to discussion of Price. They just not Interested.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2860690]It's happening to me.

I thought the reports of Soi 6 girls not going with Customers was Fake News.

I can't even get to discussion of Price. They just not Interested.[/QUOTE]So many guys are buying drinks for Soi 6 ladies that the ladies can make good money just off drinks.

If a bargirl goes upstairs with a customer, she is not in the bar when idiot customers "ring the bell", and so loses free money.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2860055][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQQDaTobtlA[/URL]

Please compare these to Nana Plaza Schoolgirl.

Lets say 3 categories. Superstars, Average, Beach Road Quality.

Would you place Schoolgirl in same category as these 2? Average Category?

I went to Repent on Wednesday didn't see these 2.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that Beam is still there, they still post her pics everyday. If you're brave enough to go there in the afternoon you'll probably find her.

The other one seem to be gone, I wouldn't be surprised if she's been moved to another bar in the soi.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2860689]Speaking of ridiculous. There is some major decent new talent on Soi 6, but these "my style" girls were quoting 2500-3000 upstairs plus room charge and 1-2 drinks. That is RIDICULOUS. I adapted and paid 1500 for few of the better ones last time and even a couple of hotter ones at 2000. This was in a span of 5 months awhile back. But the hell if I am gong to pay 3000 for a Soi 6 girl. I thought my charm was going to get me the regular 1000 plus room and 1 drink price. WRONG. I wasted 3 drinks on 3 hot ones to get quoted of 2000 and 2500, plus room. I am not going to name bars or girls, so they can get their hustle on. But I need to heed my own advice. If you see a super HOT girl on Soi 6, "Ask them first how much before even buying 1 drink. ".

Girls know their worth. Luckily after 3 strikes, I found a girl who gave me a 1000 price. Her body was better than 2 of the 3 strike outs, face was decent enough. So once again, hot girl (my style) at Soi 6 just standing without drinks. There is a reason why. Ask ask ask. And if she gives a high price. Shake your head "no" and make an X with both arms to show "hell no". That will get them some silly unwanted attention from guys walking by. LOL.[/QUOTE]I would call this the K-streamers inflation. When you've got these guys (and probably all their K-followers) throwing racks of 5 tequilas just for the girl to sit there, it's normal they start thinking their shit doesn't stink. There's no way she will want to get banged for an hour upstairs for 1500 when she knows so many guys are willing to spend 750 on her just for sitting and making her happy.

Another thing I noticed is Koreans seem to prefer barfining the girl and taking her outside for the whole night instead of banging her for an hour which means a higher income for the girl plus a good night out plus she saves her pussy some damage she could get with repeated shortimes. Does anyone know if the girls get a comission on the barfine in soi 6?

HAHAHAHAHA!

For those of you who wonder what GCgirls look like.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZQH8N3_h-s[/URL]

Camel Toe. Explorerer Recommended.

This is what 2 k long time ladies look like.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2860304]Okeamos is next to Dolls WS. Has a bunch of Chinese advertising all over the black sliding doors. 79 Club is where Pier used to be. A few other new ones on WS but if you see them once, you've seen them all. Lots of girls moved from Baccara to XS. I hate walking into a "new" club and some of the girls, staff, and a mamasans recognize you. They treat you as if you owe them something from yesteryears past. Some of the girls run when they see me because they gained weight or whatever. If I do the GoGo thing, it's just for music and to look. Long time old school guys like me have our long stable list of girls already. And it's true, the longer your are here or they know you, the better the pricing. Just as long as you don't try to compete with weekend millionaires for the 10 pm-2 am weekend time slot. Also don't be a shithead and break their hustles at the GoGo bars. Even if it means not saying "Hi" when you see them sitting with another guy they are trying to scam. Then they will give you a deal. I rather just pay 2000 for a GoGo bar girl for one hour or two hours, before she has to go to work or mid afternoon. Skip all the drinks and barfine BS. Keep in mind, this works only for guys who have a long history of rapport. Newbies they look at you stupid if you try to bargain like that. I tried that at 79 Club for a new never seen before girl and she said no. But then one who I've seen before months ago, readily took the deal for 2000 next day. Coconut Bar is all fucked up because they ripped up the side walk completely from Soi 12 to Central Festival. Girls have migrated to Buakhao and TreeTown. New mayor said no more stationary food carts most of the major roads like Pattayatai. Guess another one tries to clean up Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information on Okeamos, I will scope it out and check it off my list. Like you out I still enjoy the GoGo top of my list but it is just to relax and look. There is maybe two clubs at best where I know a few girls for long time I will buy drinks other than that I couldn't care less if the girl was Miss Universe my opinion the BF today is way out of whack no matter what color lip stick you put on the pig.

Like you, I have a few regulars and will give them a message or two and meet them on the side off days from their contract they have no problem with it as you noted I don't think it happens much for guys that are on holiday. When it comes to the new Mayor, who walked around in a T-shirt to get elected I'm one of the people who believe nothing changes it is dif.

Although I still like Bacarra the style of girls older more to my taste is becoming more and more annoying I was talking to a girl who works High Roller careful not to say the wrong thing she let it out of the bag they have problems. The male manager pushes the girls for drinks, two mamasan from the past are very annoying they aren't used to coming up asking for drinks and tips, one even as me to take her to dinner or maybe she was asking me to pay for her takeout. The old manager Lek, now at Peppermint, and head Mamasan Dao at IIvy, had class, I brought them drinks from them to time and they to me but never once came up and asked me or rubbed their neck that they were thirsty.

There are clubs opening on WS, but it seems to be getting worse. I've walked down Soi 6 from time to time, in regards to the girl posters talked about at Playpen, not seen her, I stood outside once staring in but the picture and in person are different the majority of the time for me but didn't see anything even close. For me, it has always been you need something but never can find it when you don't expect to find you do find a gem.

When it comes to the new mayor who ran around in his T-shirt claiming he is one of the people I express he is nothing but a crook like the many before him. Today he is rarely seen when you do he all dress up in a suit now. The former mayor is now on the run like Thaksin who taking brides for allowing the monument of corruption to stand at Bali Hi pier his brother who was appointed by corrupt puppet Chan O, stalled the investigation while the Mayor and warned the brother to get out of the country before the end of his term.

On a Thai website for complaining, I guess the Thais got sick and tired of me evading their webpage so they deleted the " translation " I noted the work would never end on Beach road, since it is the lifeline of corruption for the official and the mayor. Today after widening Beach Road 3-4 times. , pulling out the trees, and laying bricks they are at it again, pulling out the bricks they laid just prior to Covid and buying a whole new set they will replace and resurface until they get to the end reason for no parking on the beach side. In a year or two it will be done again you can't lay bricks on top of sand especially when it erodes as soon as it floods.

I recently criticized the Mayor for a photo op he did on Sukhumvit, he came out of his office closed the tunnel, and walked through it with an official because there were large complaints of motorbike using the tunnel it is restricted to cars only. His claim was over 5,000 bikers use the tunnel illegally and that this photo op was to let them know he had had it. I question the decision and purpose for closing it down to do the photo op and how he came up with the number of 5000, sure more and more are using it but 5000! One only has to stand on the end and do the numbers and it easy even close to a hundred. These guys are all crooks they don't run the city they are all part of the swamp nothing will ever change it is all smoke and mirrors.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2860791]If a bargirl goes upstairs with a customer, she is not in the bar when idiot customers "ring the bell", and so loses free money.[/QUOTE]What are the chances she gets 20-30 drinks at 50 baht / drink in the hour it takes to earn the 1000-1500 baht?

Maybe they're loyal to their Sponsors! Hope no more HAMSTERS have died recently. Gets expensive when my girls ask me for 300 baht every 5 years.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2851497]I just spent a short 3 night, 2 day visit to Pattaya.
....

Soi 6 - mid afternoon, quiet, but many OK girls spotted, partook very enjoyably.

Walking Street. Fun, pricey fun, Windmill good, XS over the top, SkyFall liked, didn't go back.

Soi 6 - late night was good, partook two nights with 7-8 lookers, 20 yo thin, including a threesome.

...
[/QUOTE]Now I'm a bit perplexed, not understanding the growing negative commentary about the quality and availability of girls on Soi 6.

I've seen a post just recently about Beam and one other, they are OK, but nothing sensational to me.

So please help me out.

These two girls, both 20, giggly, mid height, slim, shapely and slightly toned bodies, no fate anywhere, no babies, perfect pert be cups, perfect skin, some small tattoos.

Oh, and as at middle of September when I met them, they were still very fresh and happy, as had been there working just a month.

Braces are the negative, but not a problem, and of course they are temporary.

Personally I found them to be 7's, maybe low end 8's when taking account of attitude.

Where do they rate on your scorecards out of 10?

I will tell more about them once some scores are in.

Things like where they are, but you can see already, so prices, drinks required, negotiating time / games etc.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2860830]What are the chances she gets 20-30 drinks at 50 baht / drink in the hour it takes to earn the 1000-1500 baht?

Maybe they're loyal to their Sponsors! Hope no more HAMSTERS have died recently. Gets expensive when my girls ask me for 300 baht every 5 years.[/QUOTE]Bargirls don't think like you.

If they go to the room with a customer, they might miss another customer who might buy them 20 or 30 drinks later on.

Plus, any other drinks when some customer rings the bell.

As long as idiots buy too many drinks for bargirls, they will want more baht to go to the room.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2860791]So many guys are buying drinks for Soi 6 ladies that the ladies can make good money just off drinks.

If a bargirl goes upstairs with a customer, she is not in the bar when idiot customers "ring the bell", and so loses free money.[/QUOTE]You're not well informed.

When she is upstairs she is still considered in the bar, so she will get the comission too, as if she was downstairs. The only thing she misses on is the drink in itself, but nobody cares about that.

Only the girls that have been barfined or didn't show up won't get the comission.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2860830]What are the chances she gets 20-30 drinks at 50 baht / drink in the hour it takes to earn the 1000-1500 baht?

Maybe they're loyal to their Sponsors! Hope no more HAMSTERS have died recently. Gets expensive when my girls ask me for 300 baht every 5 years.[/QUOTE]I swear these bars and Agogos are leaving millions of USA dollars on the table concentrating on drinks. Do both you Numbskull Bars.

One barFine in total costs the customer $75.

2 drink cost $8. 00.

Do the math Fellas.

P.S. LBM playpen Baitoey has Orange hair. Please Opine on her Hotness. I've yet to see anything Hotter on that SOY.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2860812]HAHAHAHAHA!

For those of you who wonder what GCgirls look like.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZQH8N3_h-s[/URL]

Camel Toe. Explorerer Recommended.

This is what 2 k long time ladies look like.[/QUOTE]Camel Toe is a MILF / GILF bar.

But, for about a m.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2860803]I would call this the K-streamers inflation. When you've got these guys (and probably all their K-followers) throwing racks of 5 tequilas just for the girl to sit there, it's normal they start thinking their shit doesn't stink. There's no way she will want to get banged for an hour upstairs for 1500 when she knows so many guys are willing to spend 750 on her just for sitting and making her happy.

Another thing I noticed is Koreans seem to prefer barfining the girl and taking her outside for the whole night instead of banging her for an hour which means a higher income for the girl plus a good night out plus she saves her pussy some damage she could get with repeated shortimes. Does anyone know if the girls get a comission on the barfine in soi 6?[/QUOTE]These extreme cases only pertain to about 5-10 girls in the entire Soi 6 army of available girls. So I really don't blame the Koreans. It's the new strategy used by some of these Soi 6 bars. These girls I am talking about were no where to be found pre-COVID on Soi 6. They look better or as good as the nicer looking GoGo bar girls on WS. They were brought in as high price coyotes as the new business model for some Soi 6 bars. One night when I was at a Soi 6 bar, I grabbed what I thought was one of the best on Soi 6. We sat for a drink and 2 younger Koreans came in. She has mentioned she's been to Korea and went to school there. But of course, probably a bunch of lies. Her eyes lit up as they walked in and another girl walked by our table and made faces at her. I assume those two guys were her regulars or whatever. So feeling the competition. I plainly asked her her price to go upstairs right then and there. She quoted me 2000 and 400 for the room. I told her "no thanks" and she was off to their table for drinks. So I could of had her if I "lusted. " If Soi 6 ups their game, so need the guys who venture there. My MO is "we" have farms in Thailand with the Thai police to grow ganja. So I apparently am not a 9-5 office worker on a short holiday. She was a new girl, I was trying to impress. I am quite sure the girls told her that they've seen me tons of times over the past 6-8 years. I think that was why she was willing to grab a quick 2000 from me and perhaps try top get more in the long run. I have no time to play these games. My max is 1500 on Soi 6 or 2000 including anal. Room not included.

So while it's easy to blame Koreans, I did notice a couple of younger Arabic / Indian managers at a couple fo bars. My guess is so they can ripe in the Indian guys that hope to land some of these girls on Soi 6. I really don't blame anyone, except those of us that can't adapt to the change. It's like saying McD's food prices went up, but you aren't savvy enough to download the app and get all your free food stuff and discounts. Laundry up to 60-75 baht a kilo. Now I go to Otteri and do my own laundry for 70 baht total for 10 kilos. There is a way. Guys just need to stop up their game a but more and figure it out on their own. And it all starts with this rules on Soi 6.

1. See a girl you like.

2. Ask her immediately before even offering to buy 1 drink, how much short time and room price.

3. Pay the room charge or barfine first off she says "yes". That way nobody can steal her and she can't run off for drinks another table.

4. Then you can buy her a drink and then fuck afterwards.

Once I pretended I was drunk. Flashed 10,000 baht in my wallet. Told some Soi 6 hottie at Lust, that I wanted to bang first and then me, her, and a couple of her friends can drink shots afterwards. She accepted the 1000 plus 400 for the room. She thought it was going to be easy money, but I sure did sobered up quick and ragged her out. Afterwards, I just told her I don't feel like drinking anymore and had to meet my buddies on WS. Now everytme I walked by, she calls me "LIAR. " Oh well, my game is strong. LOL.

Don't get caught in the "dating" games which is if you like me, then show me, by buying me lots of drinks. Drinks goes towards their salary or contract. This is the same at the Gogo bars. Guys will try to "get to know" a girl with drinks. That is the dating game that will get guys hustled. If the girl says no or refuses to give you a boom boom price before first drink, then you move on. Be happy you saved money even in rejection. It could have been lots worse after 3-4 drinks and she said "no. " One girl quoted me 1500 barfine and 4000ST to take her out of Soi 6. That is more than Agogo pricing. That was when I found a 1000 gem afterwards that let me take pics and vids. Best gifts are the ones not asked for but the ones received in consolation.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2860856]You're not well informed.

When she is upstairs she is still considered in the bar, so she will get the comission too, as if she was downstairs. The only thing she misses on is the drink in itself, but nobody cares about that.

Only the girls that have been barfined or didn't show up won't get the comission.[/QUOTE]I suspect the policy you cited varies from bar to bar.

If I were a customer who rang the bell, I would not be happy if the bar allocated my money to people not in the bar. Come to think of it, some people might ring the bell when they see there aren't many bargirls in the bar at that moment, and would not want to have to shell out cash for the ladies who are upstairs, or ran out to buy food, or are out smootching with their boyfriend, or maybe don't exist.

I understand Angeles City in the Philippines is dead, killed by Koreans.

It would informative to know if the same death spiral is starting to happen in Pattaya. Specifically, Koreans paying top dollar, and making Pattaya too expensive for everyone else.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2860879]Camel Toe is a MILF / GILF bar.

But, for about a m.[/QUOTE]Oops.

For about a month in 2021, Camel Toe was the only bar open in Pattaya. So, top ladies were working there. I probably posted about it a lot.

Now, its basically a Darkside MILF bar, not the same.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2860857]I swear these bars and Agogos are leaving millions of USA dollars on the table concentrating on drinks. Do both you Numbskull Bars.

One barFine in total costs the customer $75.

2 drink cost $8. 00.

Do the math Fellas.[/QUOTE]Well its obvious you don't run a gogo. I do the math for you.

I do in THB.

Let's say a gogo has 100 ladies. According to YOUR calculations they could have a MAX revenue of 2. 000 THB*100 = THB 200.000 a day.

In reality on average girls are barfined 1-2 times during their contract. SO that's 20%.

20% of 200.000 = 40.000 THB a day.

Your 200.000 THB a day only works if ALL ladies are barfined ALL the time. And who walks into an Gogo with not many ladies?

See the problem with your theory?

They do have 100 ladies working with a drink target of 5-6 a day. 200 THB a drink.

100 * 5 = 500 drinks * 200 THB = 100.000 THB a DAY.

Thats half of your target of 200 K.

Thats excluding ALL drinks for customers themselves.

Thats excluding all drinks ABOVE their target (if a lady not meet her drink target she pays for the drinks in full!

Thats excluding revenue from barfines (estimated at 40 K a night).

So how they operate now. Thats 100 K in drinks, 40 K in barfines. 140 K.

In your case to get 140 K (out of the 200 K revenue from barfines) = 70% barfine rate.

Not going to happen.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2860843]Where do they rate on your scorecards out of 10? I will tell more about them once some scores are in. Things like where they are, but you can see already, so prices, drinks required, negotiating time / games etc.[/QUOTE]Just look like normal ass chicks to me. I do not play the rating game though. If you like them then have fun. If you don't then find someone else. I used to have a chick at Wrath come over sometimes after work. Usual 1,000 LT. I have not talked to her since December though at which time she told me she was in Phuket. I posted about her a couple of times before. One was when I went there on her birthday and some guy on a video call had bought a bunch of drinks.

Best place for new years eve? Phuket, pattaya or Bangkok?

I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2860687]Guy needs yo learn how to leg sweep

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gSZakNVSmQ[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL. That's one angry ladyboy.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2861029]LOL. That's one angry ladyboy.[/QUOTE]Not many Customers on Beach Road. What are the chances it's SubCommabder in the Clip.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2860977]Well its obvious you don't run a gogo. I do the math for you.

I do in THB.

Let's say a gogo has 100 ladies. According to YOUR calculations they could have a MAX revenue of 2. 000 THB*100 = THB 200.000 a day.

In reality on average girls are barfined 1-2 times during their contract. SO that's 20%.

20% of 200.000 = 40.000 THB a day.

Your 200.000 THB a day only works if ALL ladies are barfined ALL the time. And who walks into an Gogo with not many ladies?

See the problem with your theory?

They do have 100 ladies working with a drink target of 5-6 a day. 200 THB a drink.

100 * 5 = 500 drinks * 200 THB = 100.000 THB a DAY.

Thats half of your target of 200 K.

Thats excluding ALL drinks for customers themselves.

Thats excluding all drinks ABOVE their target (if a lady not meet her drink target she pays for the drinks in full!

Thats excluding revenue from barfines (estimated at 40 K a night).

So how they operate now. Thats 100 K in drinks, 40 K in barfines. 140 K.

In your case to get 140 K (out of the 200 K revenue from barfines) = 70% barfine rate.

Not going to happen.[/QUOTE]All I'm saying is they should make it easier for the girls to get Barfined. 2,500 barfine isn't getting it done. WS has attractive girls but OMG that 2. 5 barfine is a turnoff.

Contrast that to Nana Plaza Rainbows where girls are being barfined all the time.

One barFine to the bar is 1,000 baht in income,. Repeat, rinse, wash. Girl, bar, customer Happy.

For the Love of Buddha some very attractive girls in Pattaya are just left to rot on the Vine.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861038]Not many Customers on Beach Road. What are the chances it's SubCommabder in the Clip.[/QUOTE]Pretty much zero, unless they are photographing me on the Bath Bus as I roll down beach road.

[B]What are the chances that Raj Raj actually files a report that provides useful information on having sex with girls?[/B]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2860941]I suspect the policy you cited varies from bar to bar.

If I were a customer who rang the bell, I would not be happy if the bar allocated my money to people not in the bar. Come to think of it, some people might ring the bell when they see there aren't many bargirls in the bar at that moment, and would not want to have to shell out cash for the ladies who are upstairs, or ran out to buy food, or are out smootching with their boyfriend, or maybe don't exist.[/QUOTE]I talk about a Nightwish bar on soi 6, and given that they applie the same policy in all their bars, that's how it works in more than half of the soi.

I suspect that non-Nightwish bars do the same too, because it is in the favor of the bar's business.

Did you ever ring the bell? I never did it but I was there numerous time when these guys did it. They don't look around and count how many girls are around before ringing the bell, they know very well they are blowing some cash. Most of the time, there are well more than fifteen girls in the bar when they're doing this, no way they are going to check their bill one by one, especially when you know they are most of the time drunk when they do it.

And as I said earlier, it's in the favor of the bar to do it that way, it helps both the business and the girls, they would be stupid to not do it that way.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2860942]I understand Angeles City in the Philippines is dead, killed by Koreans.

It would informative to know if the same death spiral is starting to happen in Pattaya. Specifically, Koreans paying top dollar, and making Pattaya too expensive for everyone else.[/QUOTE]Just a quick check and I found there are all ready more direct flights between Seoul / Inchon airport (18) to Bangkok, than Clark (3) and Manila (10) combined. So the Koreans already like Thailand. Just wonder if they bring their families to Thailand and use the Philippines for parties?

[QUOTE=TerryHintz;2861027]I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.[/QUOTE]So dangerous.

Come to Pattaya when you feel like it. Don't let the Scare Mongerer scare you.

It's not like Las Vegas where Hotels are sold out.

This past weekend apparently there was a Big Festival in Pattaya. I only read it in the Papers yesterday. Fri- Sun I had no clue.

Didn't see much difference in a tivity.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861040]All I'm saying is they should make it easier for the girls to get Barfined. 2,500 barfine isn't getting it done. WS has attractive girls but OMG that 2. 5 barfine is a turnoff.

Contrast that to Nana Plaza Rainbows where girls are being barfined all the time.

One barFine to the bar is 1,000 baht in income,. Repeat, rinse, wash. Girl, bar, customer Happy.

For the Love of Buddha some very attractive girls in Pattaya are just left to rot on the Vine.[/QUOTE]You are right about the barfines being to high. But again. There is some "logic" in this.

1. Salaries have go up a LOT since covid for the ladies.

2. Lower barfines = Empty agogos what would hurt their drinking business.

3. Higher barfines = more chicks in the gogo, more attractive for customers, more drinking revenue.

A model makes about 20.000/10 days these days. With a 50 drink quota minimum (200 for a drink to make things easy).

50 x200 = 10.000 in drinks (revenue not profit). Barfine 1 k? That would be 10 k MAX (10 day contract) = 20 K. Basically meaning they are not making much money of the girl to justify the 20 K salary.

The owner (France dude) of Pinup told me his place would be empty if he lowered the barfine to precovid numbers before 10 pm.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2861104]You are right about the barfines being to high. But again. There is some "logic" in this.

1. Salaries have go up a LOT since covid for the ladies.

2. Lower barfines = Empty agogos what would hurt their drinking business.

3. Higher barfines = more chicks in the gogo, more attractive for customers, more drinking revenue.

A model makes about 20.000/10 days these days. With a 50 drink quota minimum (200 for a drink to make things easy).

50 x200 = 10.000 in drinks (revenue not profit). Barfine 1 k? That would be 10 k MAX (10 day contract) = 20 K. Basically meaning they are not making much money of the girl to justify the 20 K salary.

The owner (France dude) of Pinup told me his place would be empty if he lowered the barfine to precovid numbers before 10 pm.[/QUOTE]The argument always comes up. But the Salaries are so high.

How many of the Pin Up girls are making Full salary.

15%. ?

I just day after day see Bars top tier to those that last 2 weeks without Customers.

9 n my way to Buakhao to eat dinner I walked thru Myth Beet Bar. Some of them are having Girls in Bikinis. LOL.

If I recall some were quite Acceptable as far as Looks go.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2860942]I understand Angeles City in the Philippines is dead, killed by Koreans.

It would informative to know if the same death spiral is starting to happen in Pattaya. Specifically, Koreans paying top dollar, and making Pattaya too expensive for everyone else.[/QUOTE]It would play out a little different as Pattaya and Angeles are only similar in their purpose. Main differences are that there is really no need to go to Angeles once it started to get ruined due to the fact there's many other parts of Philippines to find girls in. Pretty much every part due to language easiness etc. Many just gave up on Angeles when Covid hit and didn't return. Whereas I know in Thailand there are some options but Pattaya does dominate that scene. There's a lot of money in Pattaya and it's not only Korean. Westerners are spending a lot too and more are coming. Whether that's a good or bad thing is yet to be seen.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2860843]Now I'm a bit perplexed, not understanding the growing negative commentary about the quality and availability of girls on Soi 6.

I've seen a post just recently about Beam and one other, they are OK, but nothing sensational to me.

So please help me out.

These two girls, both 20, giggly, mid height, slim, shapely and slightly toned bodies, no fate anywhere, no babies, perfect pert be cups, perfect skin, some small tattoos.

Oh, and as at middle of September when I met them, they were still very fresh and happy, as had been there working just a month.

Braces are the negative, but not a problem, and of course they are temporary.

Personally I found them to be 7's, maybe low end 8's when taking account of attitude.

Where do they rate on your scorecards out of 10?

I will tell more about them once some scores are in.

Things like where they are, but you can see already, so prices, drinks required, negotiating time / games etc.[/QUOTE]I'm not one to criticize the looks of people whose photos or other clear identifiable indicators such as typical attire, tag numbers and location are posted on a public forum. So only positive comments from me, that being I would agree with you they land somewhere around a 7. That is, a bargirl 7. Higher than the photo I saw of Beam.

Compared to non bargirls, maybe they are a 6. 5 at best. But they could be solid 8's compared to most Soi 6 bargirls. Assuming they match those photos in real life. And full body photos might change my mind as well.

Now, as you know for me the ranking of any P4 P girl is greatly influenced by what they will or won't agree to do for me in bed. So if those girls agreed upfront to DFK and BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM for me, they would rank a more solid 8 in my book.

However, if they refused to do that for me, I would consider one Ladydrink each to have been a waste of my time and money and my sexual interest view of them would be no different than that of a potted plant. I don't think I have ever given a potted plant a rank any higher than a 1.

My Aunt Tilda had a pretty cute one on her window sill. But even that one could not get a 1. 5 ranking out of me even at the height of my puberty phase.

[QUOTE=TerryHintz;2861027]I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.[/QUOTE]It's easy thinking being central in Pattaya is best but actually because transport (every kind) is so cheap, if I were you I would spend three of your 6 nights in Wave hotel on beach road. Very central and a really nice hotel, and the other 3 in Pratumnak. Its close to Jomtien but peanuts to get to from everywhere in Pattaya but Pratumnak is high end compared to anywhere in central Pattaya. Lovely area to be in during daytimes and Jomtien beach is far better than the beach at Pattaya. You'll get bike taxis, bhat bus or bolt cabs to everything in the centre for a pittance. I won't make the mistake on my next trip of spending more than a couple of nights amongst the din of the main city area when there are some spots so much nicer very close.

In the real world, individuals that still have semblance of their bounded rationality in tact, find an another method to purchase items when faced with unfavorable market conditions. But this is not the real world, this is Pattaya. Where individuals arrive with condoms in one pocket, THB in the other and a blood stream full of 200 grams of their favorite ED meds. My solution to all of the problems I read about currently going on in the bars is to simply avoid bar fines.

Speaking of that, two nights ago contacted a girl from Thai Friendly. She accepted my offer of 1000ST along with my performance conditions. Arrived within 30 minutes. She accepted my offer of a drink and picked what she wanted from the full bar I maintain. I mixed it up. I am an excellent bartender and she is a smart girl. She watched me make her drink. After the drink she hit the bathroom and came out naked. The performance was off the chain. Gave her a 100 THB tip. No fuss. No mess (except for the one I made and she cleaned up) and no bar fines.

So, this morning to see if it was just a one off I invited her over again. Same 30 minute arrival time. Same off the chain performance, but different. 1100 THB. Once again no bar fines. She has made the team in a back up roll. More tryouts tonight.

I have run into attractive girls off of Thai Friendly that tell me I will accept my 1000 offer but I need to give them another 300,500 to pay their bar. I always politely decline and tell them to get with me in their off hours. I don't see why I should pay extra for something that does nothing for me. There is an individual that questions giving money to girls for nothing. Paying a bar fine is giving the owners of a bar money for nothing. You don't even get a drink with it. Now, I pay a subscription fee for Thai Friendly. But there is an entire website infrastructure that they have built. In my opinion the bar system is exploitive of the girls and I will not participate. No further than buying a drink for an attractive girl that chooses to sit with me. There may be biases. I solve them by leaving the premises. The most power vote the world over is the vote with your money and your feet. No tears being shed for any bar owner. Many of whom (in my opinion) are problem using the establishment to launder money.

Honestly I don't get the entire bar scene. I don't particularly like it. Even though I really like to drink. And for the fools giving advice about drinking and liver damage they making stupid comments. Your liver is designed to process 1 oz of alcohol an hour. It is what a liver does, process impurities out of your blood. If you are really concerned about your liver you should watch the fatty intake of foods. As a liver builds up fat within it, is loses it's ability to process blood. That is the real killer. And you liver does not lose the fat deposits once it has them. Do your homework before spouting off bullshit that is not true. You don't believe me, look up how foie gras is made.

[B]Is Raj Raj a real person? Anyone actually met him?[/B]

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2861124]It's easy thinking being central in Pattaya is best but actually because transport (every kind) is so cheap, if I were you I would spend three of your 6 nights in Wave hotel on beach road. Very central and a really nice hotel, and the other 3 in Pratumnak. It's close to Jomtien but peanuts to get to from everywhere in Pattaya but Pratumnak is high end compared to anywhere in central Pattaya. Lovely area to be in during daytimes and Jomtien beach is far better than the beach at Pattaya. You'll get bike taxis, bhat bus or bolt cabs to everything in the centre for a pittance. I won't make the mistake on my next trip of spending more than a couple of nights amongst the din of the main city area when there are some spots so much nicer very close.[/QUOTE]I second the motion on everything you wrote. I am staying in Jomtien as I write this. This is the third place I have been. I am moving every month until I find someplace I like. I still miss View Talay 6. Nothing beats the location and facilities. But the price is not sustainable for me, at least in the long term. I still think central Pattaya is better for holiday (depending upon what you like do on your holiday). And Jomtien is better for living. I also had a good time in North Pattaya within walking distance of Terminal 21 (my second home). But I did not really like where I stayed. Still need to file the report in the Pattaya hotels section.

[B]That is if Raj Raj will get off my ass with his bullshit long enough to give me time to write a reasoned and informative post.[/B]

[QUOTE=TerryHintz;2861027]I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.[/QUOTE]It still will be High Season when you go, but there will be hotels and ladies available.

Good luck with that train from the airport to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2861120]I'm not one to criticize the looks of people whose photos or other clear identifiable indicators such as typical attire, tag numbers and location are posted on a public forum. So only positive comments from me, that being I would agree with you they land somewhere around a 7. That is, a bargirl 7. Higher than the photo I saw of Beam.

Compared to non bargirls, maybe they are a 6. 5 at best. But they could be solid 8's compared to most Soi 6 bargirls. Assuming they match those photos in real life. And full body photos might change my mind as well.

Now, as you know for me the ranking of any P4 P girl is greatly influenced by what they will or won't agree to do for me in bed. So if those girls agreed upfront to DFK and BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM for me, they would rank a more solid 8 in my book.

However, if they refused to do that for me, I would consider one Ladydrink each to have been a waste of my time and money and my sexual interest view of them would be no different than that of a potted plant. I don't think I have ever given a potted plant a rank any higher than a 1..[/QUOTE]The problem with your rating scale is you are Rating them after the fact.

I'd suspect many Stunners would rate 1 by your standards.

After intensive research the past few days iv e reached a Number. Please feel to Chime in.

10 per cent are standout ish. Meaning they stand out from the 90% curvy, anarex8 x, just plain Muglies.

By no means am I implying they are Stunners.

On my way to WS I saw 3 Dorky Korean s with an Absolute Stunner on the Baht Bu. Don't know if 3 man Taj Majal discount applied. All I know she was Gorgeous.

All is fine. I found a girl who is 27. Better than the 90 %. Her fee was a proper 2,000 short time.

If I wasn't overloaded on a Salmon Dinner I would have partook.

P.S. I m talking about Soi 6 above Willis.

I've yet to do Research on Beach Road. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861131]I still miss View Talay 6. Nothing beats the location and facilities. But the price is not sustainable for me, at least in the long term. [/QUOTE]If you live in Pattaya VT6 is not an expensive option and nothing beats its location. Here is a unit for 10k baht (275 USD) per month. If you need a sea view then it's generally around 15-20k per month for a studio. Same prices since 2015.

[URL]https://www.thailand-property.com/condo-for-rent-in-view-talay-6-pattaya-chonburi_793778[/URL]

Thought on Pins. There were maybe 125 girls. Lots of open seats. If they did the Rainbow model and let the girls Free, I think it would work.

The top ones would be able to get multiple Barfines a night and there would still be a lot of girls to work the Drinks angle.

Every one would make Bank except the nit so attractive. LOL.

Even Security would get in on the spoils. Every barfine at Rainbows security get a drink commi, about $2.25. Adds up for them.

Fahrenheit. Lots of open seats. A few very attractive girls. Most guys just oogling.

I'm not sold on more Hit girls during high season. Do they tend to the rice fields April to November and work the Bars November to March. Hahaha.

Gentle Men's there's a lot of attractive girls around even in the depths of Low season.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861108]The argument always comes up. But the Salaries are so high.

How many of the Pin Up girls are making Full salary.

15%. ?.[/QUOTE]Nett netto they do make more money (without the urge for barfines). Otherwise some of the newer agogos won't pay those numbers AND keep the girls.

S0 85% of them making their quota sounds more close to reality.

IF your whole theory would make sense. Trust me a barowner would already have that business model. Simple.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2861197]Nett netto they do make more money (without the urge for barfines). Otherwise some of the newer agogos won't pay those numbers AND keep the girls.

S0 85% of them making their quota sounds more close to reality.

IF your whole theory would make sense. Trust me a barowner would already have that business model. Simple.[/QUOTE]Salary is10,000 baht or say $300. Commish on 60 drinkies is $120.

Sex x 4 is $360 at $90 a Horny Korean.

$300 + 120 +360 is not even $1,000 not much for a Hottie.

Last night during my rounds on WS I saw many a Hottie just sitting around not a customer in sight. I feel so Bad for them they are quite attractive.

P.S. I feel for Beach Road girls who get NO customers either. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861172]The problem with your rating scale is you are Rating them after the fact. I'd suspect many Stunners would rate 1 by your standards.[/QUOTE]I rate after the fact also. Prefer a 6 that performs sexually like a 10 at the price point I want than a 10 who performs as 6.

I am buying sex, not eye candy. The problem I have found with girls who know they are attractive is poor sexual performance. Guys have been licking their ass all their lives and they think they can show up take off their clothes and just be there and that's all it takes. Nah, that does not work for me.

Price and performance for me are the most important factors for me. And I don't care if she is married, has a boyfriend or a sponsor. I am paying her to fuck right now. Not trying to solve the perceived problems of other punters up in here. And she better fuck me good!

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861172]The problem with your rating scale is you are Rating them after the fact.

[B]I'd suspect many Stunners would rate 1 by your standards.[/b]

After intensive research the past few days iv e reached a Number. Please feel to Chime in.

10 per cent are standout ish. Meaning they stand out from the 90% curvy, anarex8 x, just plain Muglies.

By no means am I implying they are Stunners.

On my way to WS I saw 3 Dorky Korean s with an Absolute Stunner on the Baht Bu. Don't know if 3 man Taj Majal discount applied. All I know she was Gorgeous.

All is fine. I found a girl who is 27. Better than the 90 %. Her fee was a proper 2,000 short time.

If I wasn't overloaded on a Salmon Dinner I would have partook.

P.S. I m talking about Soi 6 above Willis.

I've yet to do Research on Beach Road. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Your conclusion that I highlighted above is exactly correct, sir.

I am not a Beauty Contest judge. When I am on the hunt, I am a punter reaching for the best lookers who will have Real Sex with me for the most affordable price. I am not searching to crown a queen, buy Ladydrinks for nothing or feel I scored big if I am only seen walking out with the hottest girl in the room while there is zero chance that girl is going to agree to bareback sex with me this night.

If Miss Teen Thailand 2022 agreed to go to my room and get nekkid for an hour for 100 baht but refused upfront to DFK and either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM I would rate her a 1 at best as a sex partner and pass on the offer.

I am an adult man with thousands of Real Sex experiences with thousands of different girls, many of them quite hot and who cannot keep it up and get it off wearing a condom. My days of settling for jerking myself off onto whatever body part of even the hottest girls on the planet are long over. Such a girl holds no sexual interest or fascination for me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2861286]Your conclusion that I highlighted above is exactly correct, sir.

I am not a Beauty Contest judge. When I am on the hunt, I am a punter reaching for the best lookers who will have Real Sex with me for the most affordable price. I am not searching to crown a queen, buy Ladydrinks for nothing or feel I scored big if I am only seen walking out with the hottest girl in the room while there is zero chance that girl is going to agree to bareback sex with me this night.

If Miss Teen Thailand 2022 agreed to go to my room and get nekkid for an hour for 100 baht but refused upfront to DFK and either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM I would rate her a 1 at best as a sex partner and pass on the offer.

I am an adult man with thousands of Real Sex experiences with thousands of different girls, many of them quite hot and who cannot keep it up and get it off wearing a condom. My days of settling for jerking myself off onto whatever body part of even the hottest girls on the planet are long over. Such a girl holds no sexual interest or fascination for me.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on DFK at least. Without it, she's just anonymous and that's not what gets me off.

My first trip coming up soon. Question — is it normal to ask the girl if she offers DFK before you leave the bar with her? How often might they lie to get the business? I assume some do lie and you chalk it up to experience, but would love to hear from you experienced in this.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2861120]I'm not one to criticize the looks of people whose photos or other clear identifiable indicators such as typical attire, tag numbers and location are posted on a public forum. So only positive comments from me, that being I would agree with you they land somewhere around a 7. That is, a bargirl 7. Higher than the photo I saw of Beam.

Compared to non bargirls, maybe they are a 6. 5 at best. But they could be solid 8's compared to most Soi 6 bargirls. Assuming they match those photos in real life. And full body photos might change my mind as well.

Now, as you know for me the ranking of any P4 P girl is greatly influenced by what they will or won't agree to do for me in bed. So if those girls agreed upfront to DFK and BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM for me, they would rank a more solid 8 in my book.

However, if they refused to do that for me, I would consider one Ladydrink each to have been a waste of my time and money and my sexual interest view of them would be no different than that of a potted plant. I don't think I have ever given a potted plant a rank any higher than a 1.

My Aunt Tilda had a pretty cute one on her window sill. But even that one could not get a 1. 5 ranking out of me even at the height of my puberty phase.[/QUOTE]They are definitely Soi 6 solid 8's for you then EihTooms.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2861286]

I am not a Beauty Contest judge. When I am on the hunt, I am a punter reaching for the best lookers who will have Real Sex with me for the most affordable price. I am not searching to crown a queen, buy Ladydrinks for nothing or feel I scored big if I am only seen walking out with the hottest girl in the room while there is zero chance that girl is going to agree to bareback sex with me this night.

[/QUOTE]Spot on EihTooms.

And the attitudes you mention are what got under my skin and prompted my post with photos.

Tho sadly, few have decided to put up anything in response about Soi 6.

Makes me think they are all sitting in a darkened room somewhere late at night pawing themselves over subsidised YouTube videos and bar social media sites.

Wishing they could visit.

And for those that visit, walk the streets, then becry, all the girls are fugly, or won't go for less than 2000 baht short time, or they say no, drinks only, or similar.

I wonder, have they had a good look at themselves, at how they approach the girls, and for fuck sake, asking whilst out in the street.

A little sugar goes such a long long long way, and a taste of salt is invariably spat back in your face immediately.

Sex is not a beauty contest, tho it does help a lot for the girl to have some natural cuteness, attractiveness.

Overall physical appearance, good body, good looks, with a cheeky to downright playful demeanor, that will provide the desired service is my aim.

I picked three different 20 yo girls on Soi 6 in my last visit, they all matched my criteria, costs were way under the 2000 baht, and I got everything I wanted from all of them.

The Soi 6 doomsayers are in my humble opinion a long long long way from the reality of the situation.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861282]I rate after the fact also. Prefer a 6 that performs sexually like a 10 at the price point I want than a 10 who performs as 6.

I am buying sex, not eye candy. The problem I have found with girls who know they are attractive is poor sexual performance. Guys have been licking their ass all their lives and they think they can show up take off their clothes and just be there and that's all it takes. Nah, that does not work for me.

Price and performance for me are the most important factors for me. And I don't care if she is married, has a boyfriend or a sponsor. I am paying her to fuck right now. Not trying to solve the perceived problems of other punters up in here. And she better fuck me good![/QUOTE]LOL. I rarely even wait for "after the fact" intel to set my rating. I tend to negotiate for an upfront agreement for Real Sex / BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM and add + Swallow to the latter if the girl won't budge from some way above the going rate baht amount. And if the answer is "No" in the bar before I even consider paying a barfine, on the street or online, she gets a zero "hotness" rating from me.

At that moment she might as well be that potted plant, an old Playboy magazine centerfold photo or a Ladyboy for all my genitals care about her as a sex partner.

Would she still qualify as amusing drinking company? Possibly, but highly doubtful. But on a measure of "hotness" as a sex partner, zero.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861250]Salary is10,000 baht or say $300. Commish on 60 drinkies is $120.

Sex x 4 is $360 at $90 a Horny Korean.

$300 + 120 +360 is not even $1,000 not much for a Hottie.

Last night during my rounds on WS I saw many a Hottie just sitting around not a customer in sight. I feel so Bad for them they are quite attractive.

P.S. I feel for Beach Road girls who get NO customers either. Hahaha. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]That's $1. 000 in 10 days than. So that's still good for Thai standards. But yeah the biggest issue for Pattaya right now is just no customers AT ALL.

Thats why there seems to be a new trend. Chicks move away from agogos and into the beerbars.

Why? Lowerbarfines so they can make more money on fucks, lower drinktargets (and penalties / salary cuts for them). It's something I heard from girls and is actually being confirmed by a gogobar owner I know. If this high season is not awesome it will be a slaughter in Walking Street and I won't be surprised if 5-10 agogos close down in 2024.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2860843]Now I'm a bit perplexed, not understanding the growing negative commentary about the quality and availability of girls on Soi 6.

I've seen a post just recently about Beam and one other, they are OK, but nothing sensational to me.

So please help me out.

These two girls, both 20, giggly, mid height, slim, shapely and slightly toned bodies, no fate anywhere, no babies, perfect pert be cups, perfect skin, some small tattoos.

Oh, and as at middle of September when I met them, they were still very fresh and happy, as had been there working just a month.

Braces are the negative, but not a problem, and of course they are temporary.

Personally I found them to be 7's, maybe low end 8's when taking account of attitude.

Where do they rate on your scorecards out of 10?

I will tell more about them once some scores are in.

Things like where they are, but you can see already, so prices, drinks required, negotiating time / games etc.[/QUOTE]Ah, TGT, after seeing more photos and getting more intel about their attitudes and behavior with you, I would say your girls would have been clear winners above any other Soi 6 prospects, photos, videos and reports I have seen.

And far more rewarding than any Soi 6 girls I have encountered and engaged with in lo these last 12 years of cruising through Soi 6 dozens of nights in terms of looks, performance and price.

Good on you!

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2861323]That's $1. 000 in 10 days than. So that's still good for Thai standards. But yeah the biggest issue for Pattaya right now is just no customers AT ALL.

Thats why there seems to be a new trend. Chicks move away from agogos and into the beerbars.

Why? Lowerbarfines so they can make more money on fucks, lower drinktargets (and penalties / salary cuts for them). It's something I heard from girls and is actually being confirmed by a gogobar owner I know. If this high season is not awesome it will be a slaughter in Walking Street and I won't be surprised if 5-10 agogos close down in 2024.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't feel one iota of sorrow for WS gogos anyway. Sure, many of their girls are smoking hot, but what use is that if their heads are gassed up all the way to mars and have priced themselves out of the comfort zone of what most customers are willing to part with?

The sooner the girls and gogo managers / owners can come back to reality, the sooner business will pick up and customers will flock back.

Hello mongers. So I was in Pattaya for 5 nights last week. I must share I had an awesome time. Big shout out to mongers who helped & advised me how to max out the trip. I was in Pattaya 2 months back but at that time everything was arranged by a common friend and so this time I had to take things literally in my hands and do it my way.

I started on TF 2 weeks before the trip and I had my location set on View Talay 6 where I stayed for the whole trip. Great location and great view. Not expensive with no hassles / restrictions to bring talent in the room. My status on TF clearly read 1500ST with LT possibilities. I am more of a ST man who wants to get rid of the chick once done with her. Everytime a girl liked me my auto message would hit her and I would move the conversation to LINE. I think line is an awesome app, has all the benefits of what's app without sharing your contact no. Idea was to have as many different girls a day. Preferred more girls for ST than 1 for LT. I know for some mongers 1500 is high and the usual rate was 1000 or perhaps 800 in some cases. I didn't want to negotiate on a few hundred bahts. My only caveat was top service & great attitude in room which was non negotiable. I gave each girl 4 options: 1. Fuck without condom, 2. Anal sex, 3. Sex in public view like a gallery / pool side or balcony (my room had) and 4. Video recording of fucking (POV). I insisted I must get atleast one. In about 5 days I must have been with over a dozen girls easily and I got what I wanted from each. Most girls were happy with 1, those who didn't allow me went for option 2. 2 girls allowed me option 3 and 4 each. I am a sucker for service and wanted to make sure I get the time of my life as this was a pure sex / relax vacation and I had no intentions to do office work. All my girls were awesome barring 1 who was shown the door when she started throwing tantrums in room. Paid for her taxi and off she went. I must compliment thai girls. They love sex tourists and are willing to do anything (almost) to keep them happy. There were times when I had a girl in room and 2 girls were waiting patiently for me in the lobby building to take them. I didn't want a bad / ugly girl in room and if I didn't like her I would simply give her taxi money and go for the girl in waiting. Most girls were very happy with 1500ST payout with an upgrade on service. Surely a Win Win for both. After finishing of the session I would change for the evening and go down to check out my beauties waiting. If they were good I would take them out for a couple of drinks. In hindsight this was a good decision, spending money on them even before fucking. 2 girls were very happy with this arrangement and after drinks came back to room and we fucked like crazy. One of the best evenings of my life, they stayed with me for the whole night. One girl invited her best friend to join us in the room. Did her ST only with 1000. Both LT girls I paid 1500 on top happily while they were taking a shower. I must compliment Pattaya once again, the talent pool is so large there was no need for a repeat. I also visited some bars but did not bar fine any, though did have my cock touched and played with buying lady drinks. That was cool but lasted for a few minutes only. Most girls were either from TF or pickups from malls / shops. I would just compliment them and take their line and message them later. Didn't want to come across as a desperate. This actually worked.

Pattaya is a must for every sex monger, a place where fantasies can be fulfilled.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2861347]have priced themselves out of the comfort zone of what most customers are willing to part with?

The sooner the girls and gogo managers / owners can come back to reality, the sooner business will pick up and customers will flock back.[/QUOTE]I'm assuming you haven't been to a gogo bar in over 8 years as prices for the girls have been the same for that period. 3000ST / 5000 LT. Yes barfines have gone up a tad but have been around the same since Tier pricing came in 2016/2017. Customer drink prices have gone up a touch in that period but nothing that should be a deterrent. The big jump has been the prices of lady drinks but that is not a mandatory requirement to barfine a girl unless the girl has mistaken you as a chump, asking you to buy her 5 or 10 drinks before she can leave the bar.

Do as the Japanese and Koreans do. Walk into a gogo bar, circle the stage a few times making it clearly obvious that you are staring at the girls as your victim for the night, point at the girl you want, and have the mamasan grovel over you to collect the barfine.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2861347]I wouldn't feel one iota of sorrow for WS gogos anyway. Sure, many of their girls are smoking hot, but what use is that if their heads are gassed up all the way to mars and have priced themselves out of the comfort zone of what most customers are willing to part with?

The sooner the girls and gogo managers / owners can come back to reality, the sooner business will pick up and customers will flock back.[/QUOTE]Agree there. Fact is pinup / xs destroyed the business with their "new" approach in higher salaries etc. And yeah with less customers its time to cut back in salaries so the drinking prices can go back <200 THB and same for barfines. That would be a reason for customers to come back.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2861390]Agree there. Fact is pinup / xs destroyed the business with their "new" approach in higher salaries etc. And yeah with less customers its time to cut back in salaries so the drinking prices can go back <200 THB and same for barfines. That would be a reason for customers to come back.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm out to lunch since I don't pay barfines but what are the current barfines at Pin Up and XS? More than 2000?

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2861390]Agree there. Fact is pinup / xs destroyed the business with their "new" approach in higher salaries etc. And yeah with less customers its time to cut back in salaries so the drinking prices can go back <200 THB and same for barfines. That would be a reason for customers to come back.[/QUOTE]I would bet that the top gogos will do good business this High Season, regardless of this "new" approach. But, some marginal gogos will go under, as well.

Arriving Pattaya first time on November 1st. It Would be nice to be accompanied with an experienced monger.

Please contact me / Thanks.

Pin ups, Palace. 2,500 confirmed.

Historical Perspective.

This set up in WS Agogo isn't a new thing. Pre Civada if I recall barfine s were out of whack compared to Nana even then.

My favorite was Happy a Gigi. It was a 2nd tier operation. Few Customers, several Hottie who got NO action.

Baccarat was big dog then still I found it weird very few Barfining going on.

I'm opining people I actually am Having fun in current day Pattaya.

A better than avg looker quoted 2,500 Soi 6. Fair meThinks. At least I'm getting quotes now. Much better than No not interested in You know Sideways Action.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861408]Pin ups, Palace. 2,500 confirmed.

Historical Perspective.

This set up in WS Agogo isn't a new thing. Pre Civada if I recall barfine s were out of whack compared to Nana even then.

My favorite was Happy a Gigi. It was a 2nd tier operation. Few Customers, several Hottie who got NO action.

Baccarat was big dog then still I found it weird very few Barfining going on.[/QUOTE]2500 barfine is ridiculous. Sounds like Pattaya is turning into Makati.

Pattaya gogo barfines have historically been notably more expensive than BKK barfines. It's why some guys say BKK gogo bars are better. Bottom line it all comes down to money for many guys on here. They rate how good looking a girl is by how cheap they are. Go figure.

Not sure which year you mean by historically but imo Happy a Gogo was not second tier for gogo bars, especially up to early 2018 or so. Happy killed itself when they combined Happy and Beach Club. Such an awkward layout and many of the young Beach Club girls left. Beach Club and Nui 2 were my hidden gems back then. Happy was also an outlier for low barfines. It was 600 or 800 baht in 2017 when other gogo bars were already 2000 baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2861471]2500 barfine is ridiculous. Sounds like Pattaya is turning into Makati.

Pattaya gogo barfines have historically been notably more expensive than BKK barfines. It's why some guys say BKK gogo bars are better. Bottom line it all comes down to money for many guys on here. They rate how good looking a girl is by how cheap they are. Go figure.[/QUOTE]It's 2500 on weekends and 2000 on weekdays for models. Also the girl has to meet the five drink minimum. I am not sure if the mamasans are skimming off the top because the barfine a used to get progressively lower as the night went on but maybe that has changed. In terms of price I think it's all a wash in the end tbh. +/- 2000 baht between BKK and Pattaya. I really do like the convenience of Nana Plaza though. If I were going to Pattaya I would just pick up a Soi 6 girl for LT and forget about the GoGos.

For those in Pattaya the annual Bikini run is on October 28. If you worry about being on YouTube and other Social media don't go. It is full or horny men with cameras taking photos of all the models that show up. I had lots of fun last year.

It looks like the auto message is for if you like them I don't see any auto action for when they like you? When did you mention your 4 options after transferring to line, on TF or in person? Did you disregard counter offers of 2000 or more and stick hard to your 1500.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2861365] Everytime a girl liked me my auto message would hit her and I would move the conversation to LINE. I think line is an awesome app, has all the benefits of what's app without sharing your contact no. Idea was to have as many different girls a day. Preferred more girls for ST than 1 for LT. I know for some mongers 1500 is high and the usual rate was 1000 or perhaps 800 in some cases. I didn't want to negotiate on a few hundred bahts. My only caveat was top service & great attitude in room which was non negotiable. I gave each girl 4 options: 1. Fuck without condom, 2. Anal sex, 3. Sex in public view like a gallery / pool side or balcony (my room had) and 4. Video recording of fucking (POV). I insisted I must get atleast one.[/QUOTE]

Probably love to just make their money from drinks and not from 3-5 bar fines per day. Probably most.

I have known too many working girls to count at this point in my life, and the ones that do high volume and get their pussy holes and anuses blown out flame out fast.

They become the hardcore pros, and the super mechanical ones or the ones that want to rob you. Or they just become indifferent to intercourse all together.

Of course yes they are lazy also. But women in this biz often are regardless.

I am not an expert on Thailand, and I will absolutely defer to why'all and your opinions. But I'm thinking from my knowledge of ladies that the less volume of numbers they run up the better for their point of view.

1 barfine even every couple of days is reasonable but I think the high volume does damage and it is probably a consideration of these ladies. IMHO.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2861325]Ah, TGT, after seeing more photos and getting more intel about their attitudes and behavior with you, I would say your girls would have been clear winners above any other Soi 6 prospects, photos, videos and reports I have seen.

And far more rewarding than any Soi 6 girls I have encountered and engaged with in lo these last 12 years of cruising through Soi 6 dozens of nights in terms of looks, performance and price.

Good on you![/QUOTE]Things must be quiet in Soi 6 at the moment.

One of my two shown girls is messaging me asking when I am coming back.

I know she loved the session with me, BBFS, CIP, and pretty much everything captured in photos and videos.

Plus the repeat the next night as a double with the other, with same BBFS and CIP service from both of them.

And as I'm a fat ugly old bastard, it can't have been my looks, so it clearly must be the money.

Then again, I didn't pay over the odd at all, with just a single ladydrink each night and money to the girls of 1500.

So it must be true, I am a good fucking, horny, handsum man.

5555.

Last night on the Cheap Rent side of Soi 6 some bar opposite Repent was having a 6 year anniversary. Free Food was advertised.

It was empty. Free Food always bring the Old Expats out but not this time. To be fair I didn't know what kind of Food as I didn't see a pig being Roasted.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2861471]2500 barfine is ridiculous. Sounds like Pattaya is turning into Makati.

Pattaya gogo barfines have historically been notably more expensive than BKK barfines. It's why some guys say BKK gogo bars are better. Bottom line it all comes down to money for many guys on here. They rate how good looking a girl is by how cheap they are. Go figure.

Not sure which year you mean by historically but imo Happy a Gogo was not second tier for gogo bars, especially up to early 2018 or so. Happy killed itself when they combined Happy and Beach Club. Such an awkward layout and many of the young Beach Club girls left. Beach Club and Nui 2 were my hidden gems back then. Happy was also an outlier for low barfines. It was 600 or 800 baht in 2017 when other gogo bars were already 2000 baht.[/QUOTE]You are saying that a gogo with cheap barfines closed down, while other gogos with high barfines survived?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2861471]2500 barfine is ridiculous. Sounds like Pattaya is turning into Makati.

Pattaya gogo barfines have historically been notably more expensive than BKK barfines. It's why some guys say BKK gogo bars are better. Bottom line it all comes down to money for many guys on here. They rate how good looking a girl is by how cheap they are. Go figure.

Not sure which year you mean by historically but imo Happy a Gogo was not second tier for gogo bars, especially up to early 2018 or so. Happy killed itself when they combined Happy and Beach Club. Such an awkward layout and many of the young Beach Club girls left. Beach Club and Nui 2 were my hidden gems back then. Happy was also an outlier for low barfines. It was 600 or 800 baht in 2017 when other gogo bars were already 2000 baht.[/QUOTE]I agree with your assessment Happy was a pretty good club behind Bacarra, then you had Peppermint and Beach. When Beach left location on Soi 15, now Shark it was going downhill they create the narrow space behind Moon. From the beginning it was a bad setup they remodel twice prior to Happy knocking down wall to join the two using the other rooms left and right of the main stage to accomodate tour groups in the end the expanding was a total failure.

Prior to Covid times getting tough they close Peppermint, their annual party on 18th of April, was cancelled then Covid hit during that period man behind everything pass away. Prior as you noted when Bacarra opened 2009? The BF was 600 just before Covid it was 1000? With restrictions and Condition to return. Then happy hour 69 baht for sangsom over rocks till 9:30ST was 2000 LT 3500 LD was 130-160 baht serves my memory if correct.

Bacarra was the best club didn't push 100 plus girls up and downstairs, the board just before bathroom were the listed numbers of girls 8 pm board was full by midnight more than half were gone on weekends even at 1000 a pop.

Bacarra, the old manager was great today at Peppermint mamasan Dao at IIvy both had class. After last two visits being 17th although my cousins and friends in town real millions I left shaking my head not to return although I still know a number of regulars who started from day one. The contracts and need to meet quota is so out of hand it is irritating where every mamasan who I know are hounding you for drinks even waiters, waitresses want their share you can't get a free moment to check the lineup on stage it was a frenzy!

As you noted BF are just out line a small group opening a number of club with the intend to monopolize the industry on WS, as note XS most likely had the best and youngest lineup of all the clubs a few recognized me and cousin visiting 79, so it seems they have been added to the list of 2500. Just crazy!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2861389]I'm assuming you haven't been to a gogo bar in over 8 years as prices for the girls have been the same for that period. 3000ST / 5000 LT. Yes barfines have gone up a tad but have been around the same since Tier pricing came in 2016/2017. Customer drink prices have gone up a touch in that period but nothing that should be a deterrent. The big jump has been the prices of lady drinks but that is not a mandatory requirement to barfine a girl unless the girl has mistaken you as a chump, asking you to buy her 5 or 10 drinks before she can leave the bar.

Do as the Japanese and Koreans do. Walk into a gogo bar, circle the stage a few times making it clearly obvious that you are staring at the girls as your victim for the night, point at the girl you want, and have the mamasan grovel over you to collect the barfine.[/QUOTE]I don't need to barfine from a gogo bar and haven't done so in about. Yep, 8 years! The pricing is stupid, most of the girls are starfishes and the moment you nut and she's putting her clothes back you, you realise in that moment of post nut clarity that you could've gotten 3-4 solid freelance sessions with girls who look almost as good (and certainly perform 10 X better) for the same price.

I prefer to leave gogo barfines to those who don't suffer from my level of PNC.

If I may come add, when you finish with FL in room there is no sense of hurry. She will take her time relax or perhaps go for a shower and if the mood is good may ask you to join her. You don't feel like a client / customer in that moment. With a bargirl, the moment you finish, your session is over and she is not yours anymore. Its pure commercial feels like shoot & scoot. Also if one treats FL well one can expect reasonably good GFE and better in room service. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2861631]I don't need to barfine from a gogo bar and haven't done so in about. Yep, 8 years! The pricing is stupid, most of the girls are starfishes and the moment you nut and she's putting her clothes back you, you realise in that moment of post nut clarity that you could've gotten 3-4 solid freelance sessions with girls who look almost as good (and certainly perform 10 X better) for the same price.

I prefer to leave gogo barfines to those who don't suffer from my level of PNC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeNm;2861303]I'm with you on DFK at least. Without it, she's just anonymous and that's not what gets me off.

My first trip coming up soon. Question is it normal to ask the girl if she offers DFK before you leave the bar with her? How often might they lie to get the business? I assume some do lie and you chalk it up to experience, but would love to hear from you experienced in this.[/QUOTE]I am not sure it is normal or common for most customers to mention anything, any particular level of service at all, as a requirement before they agree to take a girl or pay her barfine, other than possibly Short Time vs Long Time, 1 pop or 2 and How Much Baht is he willing to pay.

My impression is that after those minimal issues are settled the vast majority of customers just "go with the flow and see what happens in the room", accepts whatever is doled out to them and pays the amount agreed upon. Then, even if they didn't get anything like what they really dreamt about getting they happily hand the girl an additional 300 - 400 baht tip anyway. LOL.

That is my impression at least based on some reports I have read and the way many P4 P girls assume the procedure will go with me too.

However, it doesn't go that way with me. My bareback fucking success rate using the "go with the flow" method runs at about 15-20% over the years. Even worse than that in Pattaya, keeping it more pertinent to this particular forum. Which is way too low unless I want to pay for many, many sessions in order to get one decent pop and enjoy one annoying buzzkill hour after another.

Therefore, I do ask upfront if we will kiss romantically with our tongues touching, mime it if necessary and if she hadn't already been doing it in the bar, and if "boom boom no condom OK mai?" (Is our fucking without a condom ok with you). And if I don't get a positive response to both I pay my bar tab (if I am in a bar), thank the girl for her time and bid her farewell.

Mind you, this would be after we had established what seems like a pretty high level of chemistry, laughs, kisses and cuddles, the girl crawling all over me in the bar, begging me to take her and so on. I don't just blurt it out like I am asking for a burger at McDonalds.

Doesn't matter how much supposed chemistry is dripping from our pores in the bar. I still ask if they will agree to DFK and BBFS+CIP before I pay anything to take them. And the rejection rate can still be fairly high. 40-50% overall.

In Pattaya, my rejection rate for getting a Yes from the girls who are crawling all over me in the bar as I described has been well over 95%. Yep. There it is. Pattaya and I are simply not compatible in terms of me getting Real Sex with the girls I bother to meet there and who will crawl over me in the bar and beg me to take them. LOL. I do far better in Bangkok.

Still doesn't matter. I'd much, much rather they say No to me in the bar or on the street or online than at the moment of entry in the room.

In some special cases I might ratchet down my request to a BBBJ+CIM if I am really attracted to the girl and BBFS+CIP is an absolute No upfront.

I did get 1 very cute Soi 6 girl to agree to that a few years back, just pre Covid. But she would not budge from me paying her barfine, 600 baht then I think, and giving her 2,000 for overnight LT. For a simple BBBJ+CIM, mind you. So then I wouldn't budge from stipulating that it must be +Swallow. Which she did agree to do.

She was adorable. Her BBBJ+CIM+Swallow was just meh. I never repeated. And she never changed her mind about not fucking me bareback.

Do some girls lie just to get me to take them, barfine venue or not? Yes. Often. That is why I might even follow up a Yes reply to the initial question with an explanation that if she changes her mind about any of it in my room, no problem, I will also change my mind about how much to pay her and I probably won't pay her anything if that happens. Of course, I say it with a smile. But I mean it.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2861631]I don't need to barfine from a gogo bar and haven't done so in about. Yep, 8 years! The pricing is stupid, most of the girls are starfishes and the moment you nut and she's putting her clothes back you, you realise in that moment of post nut clarity that you could've gotten 3-4 solid freelance sessions with girls who look almost as good (and certainly perform 10 X better) for the same price.

I prefer to leave gogo barfines to those who don't suffer from my level of PNC.[/QUOTE]Please let's us know where you find girls who look almost as good as the better Agogo girls at bargain prices.

If it's Beach Road please Refrain from answering. Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2861633]If I may come add, when you finish with FL in room there is no sense of hurry. She will take her time relax or perhaps go for a shower and if the mood is good may ask you to join her. You don't feel like a client / customer in that moment. With a bargirl, the moment you finish, your session is over and she is not yours anymore. Its pure commercial feels like shoot & scoot. Also if one treats FL well one can expect reasonably good GFE and better in room service. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I do not think there is any meaningful difference in the interactions. Generally if you are paying for short time both will leave relatively quickly to secure another customer for the evening. Given this I just pick the girl I find the most attractive because that's basically the only thing I can count on. The performance is unpredictable so I just sift through barfining a bunch of GoGo girls until I find the 1-2 at each bar that I like. Sometimes if I'm lucky they will stop charging me any money.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2861571]You are saying that a gogo with cheap barfines closed down, while other gogos with high barfines survived?[/QUOTE]Pinup / XS changed / ruined the game.

They started with HIGHER salaries (heck the higher barfines) and the "big size" format. (more girls).

So yeah the smaller just don't survive (less girls, less attractive girls). And especially the koreans moved to the pinup / xs / ivys of WS.

So the cheap barfine model is destroyed. Can only do if you pay less 0 Not an option during covid because of lack of girls. NOW. We are slowly getting in the situation of a surplus of girls what could lower the salaries.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2861695]Pinup / XS changed / ruined the game.

They started with HIGHER salaries (heck the higher barfines) and the "big size" format. (more girls).

So yeah the smaller just don't survive (less girls, less attractive girls). And especially the koreans moved to the pinup / xs / ivys of WS.

So the cheap barfine model is destroyed. Can only do if you pay less 0 Not an option during covid because of lack of girls. NOW. We are slowly getting in the situation of a surplus of girls what could lower the salaries.[/QUOTE]I do not think they can or need to lower the salaries. The salaries will naturally get "lowered" when the girls do not sell enough drinks. I do think there are enough girls but man the quality of the girls is not very good. There are only a handful of girls that I would consider barfining when visiting XS, Pin-Up, Palace. Having said that, the business model doesn't bother me that much as long as I get what I want.

With all these posts about gogos, the question is who here pulls ladies from Pattaya gogos?

I only go to gogos if I have barfined a newbie bargirl who wants to see Walking Street. I haven't barfined a gogo lady since the Bush administration. Back then, barfines were much cheaper.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861645]Please let's us know where you find girls who look almost as good as the better Agogo girls at bargain prices.

If it's Beach Road please Refrain from answering. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Find a post where I said I've ever gotten a beach road girl.

If you can't get an attractive freelance girl off TF, tinder, bumble or even IG while in Pattaya, you're definitely doing something wrong.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2861719]With all these posts about gogos, the question is who here pulls ladies from Pattaya gogos?

I only go to gogos if I have barfined a newbie bargirl who wants to see Walking Street. I haven't barfined a gogo lady since the Bush administration. Back then, barfines were much cheaper.[/QUOTE]Last night at Pin Ups. 1st group I saw. I think to join you needed to have bad silicones, more mature, and not the best of faces. 2 stages full of them. Sub cmmnder, are you out there.

2nd gourp. A bit better.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2861725]Hahaha. Find a post where I said I've ever gotten a beach road girl.

If you can't get an attractive freelance girl off TF, tinder, bumble or even IG while in Pattaya, you're definitely doing something wrong.[/QUOTE]Many Beach Road freelancers are on TF or other social media sites, so its same same.

At A235, I had the app on the setting show me only those who liked me and so I reciprocated with my like and the auto message. When they shared their LINE I sent them a message 'looking at 1500 for ST with room for LT' service needs to be good. I clearly mentioned service & attitude as I am a sucker for both. When they would agree I told them of my 4 options. It was not only because I wanted to take it a level higher in room but also wanted to see how flexible they are in room. Noooooos were immediately dropped, some girls replied with 2000-2500 but they were politely countered with a firm 1500. Those who accepted shared their photos and I did the same with my location and address. Phone pinged continuously and I had decent backups in case of a no show. I was short on time & energy and didn't want to play the waiting game. It worked well for me and I hope it does for you. Treat them well and in return they will treat you like a King. SL.

[QUOTE=Abombu235;2861534]It looks like the auto message is for if you like them I don't see any auto action for when they like you? When did you mention your 4 options after transferring to line, on TF or in person? Did you disregard counter offers of 2000 or more and stick hard to your 1500.[/QUOTE]

At V34, I disagree. I had sessions where girls came for ST only and we had a great time initially. I took care of them, we went out for drinks and came back to room extended to LT & breakfast. Morning sex was simple kickass. And throughout service was top notch. I did not hear the words 'No' 'Stop' or 'don't'.

I was once with a girl in gogo and it felt like a commercial deal where I was the product rather than her. No emotions and feelings just get undressed release wear and leave. Less fun.

[QUOTE=Venturi34;2861674]I do not think there is any meaningful difference in the interactions. Generally if you are paying for short time both will leave relatively quickly to secure another customer for the evening. Given this I just pick the girl I find the most attractive because that's basically the only thing I can count on. The performance is unpredictable so I just sift through barfining a bunch of GoGo girls until I find the 1-2 at each bar that I like. Sometimes if I'm lucky they will stop charging me any money.[/QUOTE]

Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2861808]Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.[/QUOTE]Probably the worst that would happen if you go back is that the #1 girl gives you the cold shoulder. Worst case scenario is all the girls in the bar give you the cold shoulder. I doubt it though. Business has not been great.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2861808]The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.[/QUOTE]Naklua. LOL. You already said it. They are there for money, not feelings. It is called a job. Do you care about the cashier's feelings being hurt at McDonald's because you ordered a pineapple pie? Well you should not care about one hooker that you have paid feelings being hurt because you want to pay another hooker. Something important to add could be prices, time, drink costs, etc.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2861808]Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.[/QUOTE]If it's on your Bucket of Lists I say go for it.

My future seeing,. Since the One picking isn't that Hot she will probably go for one even more Scuffed.

Me, I'd go for the Pretty one again.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2861808]I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that..... but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Doesn't hurt to go back and try. You'll see if her being mad was an act or real when you propose something where she will make money. I know one thing that will happen the second girl will now be "mad".

[QUOTE=Horatio;2861808]Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.[/QUOTE]Your money, do what you want to do, not what the bargirls want you to do.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2861808]Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.[/QUOTE]Good advice from others here already. I will only add that Thai girls (and people in general) are all about having fun ("sanook" and they will quickly take the queue from you.

If you go back and are all serious and concerned about the less pretty girl's feeling, there will probably be some drama. If instead you go back in a cheerful and happy mood, joking about the whole thing as if it's nothing (and it ain't) if she brings it up, she will on the other hand most likely very quickly take her queue from you and you can laugh about it together.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2861808]Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.[/QUOTE]Should've told her from the start that you're a butterfly. Most of these girls already know you'll be going around banging other girls, but doing so in the bar where they work causes them to lose some face in front of their colleagues. The situation is still salvageable if she a good performer and you want to keep things sweet with her. Drinks and going upstairs with her again (if she's willing) will go some way toward fixing her "hurt" pride, but at the same time still tell her what you intend to do. You won't be the first customer to tell her this and definitely won't be the last. But the least you can do whenever you visit her bar.

I have a few "regulars" that I see whenever I patrol up and down the 6. On days when I feel like I want to see someone new in their bar, I let them know ahead of time on Line and even when in the bar she still gets drinks and a few games, and most importantly she introduces me to my choice of girl for that visit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2861832]Naklua. LOL. You already said it. They are there for money, not feelings. It is called a job. Do you care about the cashier's feelings being hurt at McDonald's because you ordered a pineapple pie? Well you should not care about one hooker that you have paid feelings being hurt because you want to pay another hooker. Something important to add could be prices, time, drink costs, etc.[/QUOTE]Bargirls do have Feelings,. They do get Hurt. Many times it' s over Stupid stuff but OP should be fine. Just don't inflame the Drama.

Bargirls Feelings Matter.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2861772]Many Beach Road freelancers are on TF or other social media sites, so its same same.[/QUOTE]As are many bar girls and they are willing to come to you outside of "work " hours if you make it clear to them that you will not be paying a bar fine to see her.

Now just for observation, why do some think that where they source their prostitutes and how much they pay them makes them and their prostitutes better than some one else who does it a different way?. Not going to name names but you know who you are (not directed at you [B]Explorer[/B]).

Remember when they tore down all the bars on Soi Made in Thailand running between Central Festival Second Road and Buakhao? Everyone thought Chinese bought up the land and new condos were being built. It was annoying because that was a nice little short cut that was blocked off for awhile at the old mini Tesco Lotus (gone now). But anywho. It's open again with reconstruction and renovation. New name is Beertown and has a shit load of new beer bars. I never went there prior, so I don't plan on going anytime in the future. But at least one of my short cuts is back open again. So Soi Made in Thailand is open and alive. Nice little local Thai eatery in the middle of the action there as well.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2861936]If instead you go back in a cheerful and happy mood, joking about the whole thing as if it's nothing (and it ain't) if she brings it up, she will on the other hand most likely very quickly take her queue from you and you can laugh about it together.[/QUOTE]Yep. Then say your friend like to boom boom ass and I like too much.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2861407]Arriving Pattaya first time on November 1st. It Would be nice to be accompanied with an experienced monger.

Please contact me / Thanks.[/QUOTE]At this point, any super experienced and seasoned vet in Pattaya will tell you, "help, guidance, and pointers" for newbies only drives up the prices for the ones who have served their due diligence all these years. What do you think happens if I find a solid gem for a bargain price and decide to share it? So long story short, expertise and advice always comes at a price. Our time and knowledge is costly. But there is at least enough info on the forum to have a good time even though you may be getting scammed into oblivion. You won't catch on until years from now anyways. By then, hindsight is 20/25.

I went back to the bar last night. Apparently the two girls had compared notes because they both knew what happened with the other back at my motel. I'm guessing they had already agreed between themselves that a threesoms was OK, because I barely mentioned it and it was accepted as what we were going to do. I won't go into much of the details of the sex as that probably varies so much with the specific situation. But the outline of the evening is we left bar and went to 7-11 for some snacks and beer then to motel. I took a shower with the pretty one then she and I started while the first girl took a shower then joined us. Then a lot of fun happened.

Later there was a little drama because first girl thought I was paying to much attention to pretty girl as we were positioning to sleep. A person can't sleep and hold two girls at the same time. But that worked itself out.

The costs for those who want to know was 300 thb barfine for each girl, about 600 baht for drinks at bar, 320 baht at 7-11, and each wanted 1500 but I gave 2000 thb to each.

In other news I went to a different bar earlier in the night and a pretty 40 year old motioned me in. A rather nice 52 year old kind of took over and we played two games of pool, but we managed to get it known that I was more interested in the 40 year old. After a couple of lady drinks I said I wanted to barfine her and she said she was on her period. She seemed enthusiastic I I come back in a week when that was over. Who knows if she was telling the truth or not. When I bought her lady drink she said she doesn't drink alcohol. She looked good and fit for that age. She helped me set up Line and I got her number. So I'll probably try again.

I'm off to Bangkok later today. I have never mongered there and probably won't do much this time. I want to retire next year and I'm trying to figure if Bangkok is place to do that.

I've been a member of this forum for years and appreciate all the advice. In particular Mr Enternational and Banana boi are two good reads and are helpful on advice or general knowledge of the area.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2862003]The costs for those who want to know was 300 thb barfine for each girl, about 600 baht for drinks at bar, 320 baht at 7-11, and each wanted 1500 but I gave 2000 thb to each.
[/QUOTE]How old were this ladies and from what bar? Why are you paying double (or more) the money thaimen are paying?

I post som pictures here so people can see the prices asked on the thaimarket.

For the guys who find ladies on TF, Tinder, etc, do they ping you a few days later asking for a "date"? Over time, do you build up a rotation of ladies?

I am in Europe at the moment, and don't get back to Pattaya for another 4 days, but today, 3 ladies messaged me asking to come to my place when I return.

I guess the constant rain in Pattaya is impacting the number of customers coming to the bars.

Somebody ought to start this trend on beach road, would make it sooooo much better. 555.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuiMQPc5aKA[/URL]

Actually numbers.

Kelaya Bar 66 soi. 6.

10 days- 15,000 baht- 50 bdrinks.

15 days.

20 days- 20,000 baht-100 drinks.

Just me but sign 20 days should get better deal. Hahaha.

I don't see any Barfine quotas. Probably need see Mommy Son.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861978]As are many bar girls and they are willing to come to you outside of "work " hours if you make it clear to them that you will not be paying a bar fine to see her.

Now just for observation, why do some think that where they source their prostitutes and how much they pay them makes them and their prostitutes better than some one else who does it a different way?. Not going to name names but you know who you are (not directed at you [B]Explorer[/B]).[/QUOTE]You paying for Looks bro.

1,000 bahter tend to not have much.

Simple.

It doesn't make one better than another.

Looks is face and body, both matter.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2862016]How old were this ladies and from what bar? Why are you paying double (or more) the money thaimen are paying?

I post som pictures here so people can see the prices asked on the thaimarket.[/QUOTE]Why even post DuckFace Girl. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862101]Why even post DuckFace Girl. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Duck face is kind of cute. Nice big eyes, big lips.

I am traumatically confused why KrumeLure posted an ad for "A 16 year old boy" (3rd photo).

[QUOTE=Raj Patela;2862078]Kelaya Bar 66 soi. 6......I don't see any Barfine quotas. Probably need see Mommy Son.[/QUOTE]

My information is from when Kelaya 66 first opened (2018?) but barfine and girl rates were the same as Walking Street gogo bars. Kelaya opened across from the only gogo bar Soi 6 had, Dolls.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861977]Bargirls do have Feelings,. [/QUOTE]Customers have feelings too. Have visited gogo bars with guys who without my knowing went with one of my regular girls. We walk in to the bar together and my regular girl comes straight to me and not to the guy who just handed her 5000 baht a few hours before. Wonder how that made the other guy feel?

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861977]Bargirls Feelings Matter.[/QUOTE]I see what you did there.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2862003]I've been a member of this forum for years and appreciate all the advice. In particular Mr Enternational and Banana boi are two good reads and are helpful on advice or general knowledge of the area.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words. I agree that Mr. E is a valuable source of information.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862050]For the guys who find ladies on TF, Tinder, etc, do they ping you a few days later asking for a "date"?[/QUOTE]Yes, but I am the chooser, not the choosee.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862050]Over time, do you build up a rotation of ladies?[/QUOTE]No. If I am paying then I like new. Unless I just have a "taste" for that particular chick on some random day.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862050]For the guys who find ladies on TF, Tinder, etc, do they ping you a few days later asking for a "date"? Over time, do you build up a rotation of ladies?[/QUOTE]Yes they do. After a pleasurable encounter, I let them know that I was pleased. They usually stay in contact with me. I like it.

Yes, I have built up a rotation over time.

That is why I simply do not understand paying a bar fine. When I can get a girl (attractive attractive enough for me) to show up to my room wishing 30 minutes. Take care of me sexually and leave. No fuss no mess (except for the one I make in their mouth or on their face, ass or breasts).

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861282]Prefer a 6 that performs sexually like a 10 at the price point I want than a 10 who performs as 6.

I am buying sex, not eye candy. The problem I have found with girls who know they are attractive is poor sexual performance. Guys have been licking their ass all their lives and they think they can show up take off their clothes and just be there and that's all it takes. Nah, that does not work for me.

Price and performance for me are the most important factors for me. And I don't care if she is married, has a boyfriend or a sponsor. I am paying her to fuck right now. Not trying to solve the perceived problems of other punters up in here. And she better fuck me good![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862100]You paying for Looks bro.[/QUOTE]No that is not what I am doing. You are doing that. You are paying for the looks that are important to you. I am paying for the looks that are important to you. What you cannot say is that the prostitutes you hire are more attractive than the prostitutes I hire. Why? Because you have only seen the prostitutes you hire. And those are the only ones you have fucked also.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862100]1,000 bahter tend to not have much..[/QUOTE]That is your opinion.

[B]Opinion[/B] - [I]a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.[/I].

I thank you for sharing. This is how I learn.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862100]Simple.[/QUOTE]It sure is.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862100]It doesn't make one better than another.[/QUOTE]I know this. That is why do you not see me making comments on the looks of the prostitutes you hire sight unseen. [B]Why do you do it?[/B].

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862100]Looks is face and body, both matter.[/QUOTE]They sure do. That is why I know you are paying substantially more than I am for the same pussy. Because you are not paying for pussy, you are paying for your fetish of whatever you consider a standard of beauty for the pussy life support system that you fuck. You are paying for the looks that gets YOUR dick hard. And I do not care that you are doing that. Because I only care about my dick.

[B]Can you tell me Raj Raj why you are so worried about my dick? [/B]

I want new people to know you do not have to pay astronomical figures for pussy in Pattaya. I pay 1000 THB for pussy. I save the 1000 - 4000 THB others are paying and use it pay for my room, food, laundry, movies, transportation, made to measure clothing and more.

[I]Hurting the feelings of a customer? I hope that was in jest. Lecturing guys on payments to Bar Girls? Are you serious? Talking the quality and looks of prostitutes others hire based on a price point? Get the fuck out of here![/I]

Finally I will end by saying some of you all need a serious reality check. You are all tricks. That means nothing to brag about.

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B] in Pattaya and world over. The only difference is how much each individual chooses to pay for it.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2861948]Should've told her from the start that you're a butterfly. Most of these girls already know you'll be going around banging other girls, but doing so in the bar where they work causes them to lose some face in front of their colleagues. The situation is still salvageable if she a good performer and you want to keep things sweet with her.......[/QUOTE]If the girl's a great performer I will be hesitant to go back the next day and choose another girl. However, if a girl gives me bad service I will deliberately go back to the same bar and choose another.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2862124]My information is from when Kelaya 66 first opened (2018?) but barfine and girl rates were the same as Walking Street gogo bars. Kelaya opened across from the only gogo bar Soi 6 had, Dolls.[/QUOTE]It seems to be the case for most bars on the 6 now.

I've never been interrested in barfining over there but lately I've asked some prices out of curiosity.

And the quotes I've heard made me wonder: why in hell are there people barfining these girls?

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862078]Actually numbers.



I don't see any Barfine quotas. Probably need see Mommy Son.[/QUOTE]Because barfines would actually be illigal. Put it on a sign "minimum x barfines" = Pimp behaviour and could give the bar a HUGE problem.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862050]For the guys who find ladies on TF, Tinder, etc, do they ping you a few days later asking for a "date"? [/QUOTE]A few do, most do not.

I'm a tourist, perhaps 10-12 weeks per year in Thailand. My experiences are limited compared to some.

In the drizzle of the rain I made it to Palace and Fahrenheit last night.

Palace. One girl who has an above avg face got Barfined. Not a Usual ho hum for her.

Fahrenheit. Now I know why Girls gor for SillyCobes. No offense to you Woke out there.

Flat is just not Attractive. Hahaha. I could see making deals with them to avoid hefty Barfine.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862101]Why even post DuckFace Girl. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]I get a bit of a Ladyboy vibe from the pic that shows a face. And, like Banana Boi referenced, why the one either asking for or representing themselves as "a 16 year old boy"?

BTW, just a general note to all, offering and paying money for sex to anyone under the age of 18 is illegal in Thailand. However, sex for love, sport or mere curiosity with someone (with their free consent) over the age of 15 is legal in Thailand. But not if the deal is for money, unless they are over age 18.

The issue regarding barfines would be it is legal for the bar to charge a fee to take a girl out of the bar during her regular work hours.

However, it is illegal for the mamasan, bar management or bar owners to profit in any way from the exchange of money for sex with the girl. That exchange is legal in Thailand only between the girl and her customer. It is illegal for anyone else, a third party, pimp, mamasan, agency, parent, boyfriend, whoever, to profit from the exchange.

So that is where the mamasan and the bar are taking a risk in demanding ALL of the money for the girl to have sex with a customer be paid to them upfront in the bar rather than just the barfine.

Aside from the demand probably having something to do with the mamasan wanting to rake off her 500 - 1000 baht commission right now before the girl disappears into the night perhaps never to return again, it strongly suggests the bar has a financial stake in their girls having sex for money, which would be illegal for the bar, not for the girl or the customer.

When cops raid the bars or agencies, they don't arrest the customers or the girls for "prostitution crimes. " For them, they really haven't committed a "prostitution crime" regarding the simple exchange of money for sex unless there is a criminal co-factor regarding age or coercion. They arrest the mamasans or bar owners for suspicion of them profiting from the exchange, which is a "prostitution crime. ".

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2862132]Yes they do. After a pleasurable encounter, I let them know that I was pleased. They usually stay in contact with me. I like it.

Yes, I have built up a rotation over time.

That is why I simply do not understand paying a bar fine. When I can get a girl (attractive attractive enough for me) to show up to my room wishing 30 minutes. Take care of me sexually and leave. No fuss no mess (except for the one I make in their mouth or on their face, ass or breasts).[/QUOTE]It sounds like your MO is similar to mine, except you do 1000 baht ST, and I do 2000 baht LT.

I am not a big ST guy, because once you finish, what do you do for the next few hours? So, I have a lady in the early afternoon, and maybe finish with her in the late afternoon, she goes, and the next lady comes to spend the night.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2862197]A few do, most do not.

I'm a tourist, perhaps 10-12 weeks per year in Thailand. My experiences are limited compared to some.[/QUOTE]You don't have social media contacts for ladies you barfine? So you can arrange "dates" as soon as you arrive in Thailand?

Bro, have visited Pattaya multiple times but haven't deciphered the fines yet. Seems nightwish group bar fines are pretty steep. What time you pick the ladies to have fine around 300 BHT.

Are these screenshots from twitter. Do you mind sharing.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2862016]How old were this ladies and from what bar? Why are you paying double (or more) the money thaimen are paying?

I post som pictures here so people can see the prices asked on the thaimarket.[/QUOTE]

They play like that so that you keep coming back to them. Happened with me and picked up for straight 6 days, saw she did same with other men too. It's easier for them that way.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2861977]Bargirls do have Feelings,. They do get Hurt. Many times it' s over Stupid stuff but OP should be fine. Just don't inflame the Drama.

Bargirls Feelings Matter.[/QUOTE]

How do you spend your days in Pattaya after having visited a few times.

I have been to Pattaya 3 times in past and arrived again yesterday. On my 1st trip went for sightseeing mostly. In fact it was just 20% mongering. But from 2nd trip onward, I am only interested in banging chicks. Zero interest in anything else. I go to massage shop, do boom boom, eat when hungry, come hotel room, relax for few hours, go out again in search of pussy.

Just curious how others spend their time here!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2862173]It seems to be the case for most bars on the 6 now.[/QUOTE]I'm confused by your reply to my post. I said Kelaya 66 had the same barfine as a WS gogo bar. Ie 1000-2000 barfine plus 3000 ST, 5000 LT. You were quoted similar numbers at other Soi 6 bars?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2862016]How old were this ladies and from what bar? Why are you paying double (or more) the money thaimen are paying?

I post som pictures here so people can see the prices asked on the thaimarket.[/QUOTE]Can I know which social media they post and ID they mention on post works line app right?

Hey, I will be in Pattaya next week. Made some good contacts on TF which are too good looking at pic.

Just wanted to check if TF girls are genuine or few are fake.

Please share if you have any experiences with TF girls.

Thanks.

I do exactly the same but only bareback.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2862283]How do you spend your days in Pattaya after having visited a few times.

I have been to Pattaya 3 times in past and arrived again yesterday. On my 1st trip went for sightseeing mostly. In fact it was just 20% mongering. But from 2nd trip onward, I am only interested in banging chicks. Zero interest in anything else. I go to massage shop, do boom boom, eat when hungry, come hotel room, relax for few hours, go out again in search of pussy.

Just curious how others spend their time here![/QUOTE]

Hey all,

Will be in action next week in Thailand.

Any suggestions on tab which can keep me erected for long with the lady.

Also, if I can get this from a medical store, any side effects 😃.

Thanks.

Have been to Pattaya many times, best way is to find a nice chick and spend a night with her, you get a better one, can enjoy various things and also be relaxed alongside a beauty. Massage shops you get overused ones and mechanical stuff. TF is lovely place to find gems if you can work around it.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2862283]How do you spend your days in Pattaya after having visited a few times.

I have been to Pattaya 3 times in past and arrived again yesterday. On my 1st trip went for sightseeing mostly. In fact it was just 20% mongering. But from 2nd trip onward, I am only interested in banging chicks. Zero interest in anything else. I go to massage shop, do boom boom, eat when hungry, come hotel room, relax for few hours, go out again in search of pussy.

Just curious how others spend their time here![/QUOTE]

Discount pictures by 50 %, it just gives an idea what they look like. Do not get excited and if you like a profile confirm with a video call. If they decline you go past them, and add their age by 5-8 on a lower side.

[QUOTE=JohnGreenChe;2862317]Hey, I will be in Pattaya next week. Made some good contacts on TF which are too good looking at pic.

Just wanted to check if TF girls are genuine or few are fake.

Please share if you have any experiences with TF girls.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Dangerous! You pay you fuck you move on. No point thinking what they think. And you'll never break their heart, they are used to it by now. A monger for a bargirl is just a commercial transaction for a few hours. She wouldn't even remember her clients from the last evening. I have done extensive mongering, I am happy with this formula but I guess to each his own. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=SandyBaby;2862282]They play like that so that you keep coming back to them. Happened with me and picked up for straight 6 days, saw she did same with other men too. It's easier for them that way.[/QUOTE]

Seems we need to go over Pricing again. I'm reading things that are all over the place. Soi 6 and Walk Street are the same. Okay Buddy.

Give a general area and your thoughts on pricing and what you are getting.

Ex. We all are 100% agreed. Beach Road 3 fiddy to 1 k. Think Barrel of Bottom.

Try to get a nice lady for the room hoping she is can hold off a conversation in public. Convert it to a Long time session and ask her to show you places around. She'll be willing as long as you can spend well and not behave like a cheap charlie. Amount spent is just a fraction and rewards can be massive. I spent only 800-1200 on her food and drinks and the sex afterwards was insane. Sometimes its good to be in a beautiful company. Best luck.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2862283]How do you spend your days in Pattaya after having visited a few times.

I have been to Pattaya 3 times in past and arrived again yesterday. On my 1st trip went for sightseeing mostly. In fact it was just 20% mongering. But from 2nd trip onward, I am only interested in banging chicks. Zero interest in anything else. I go to massage shop, do boom boom, eat when hungry, come hotel room, relax for few hours, go out again in search of pussy.

Just curious how others spend their time here![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2861772]Many Beach Road freelancers are on TF or other social media sites, so its same same.[/QUOTE]Maybe this applies to the women over 35 on TF, but certainly not to the younger ones. I think 99% of the latter don't want to be found dead on Beach Road.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862050]For the guys who find ladies on TF, Tinder, etc, do they ping you a few days later asking for a "date"? Over time, do you build up a rotation of ladies?[/QUOTE]Yes, most of them want to meet again, sometimes even the next day already. At least, if we had a good session the first time.
I always try to build up a rotation, but the problem is that many girls quit or 'vanish' sooner or later.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862050]
I am in Europe at the moment, and don't get back to Pattaya for another 4 days, but today, 3 ladies messaged me asking to come to my place when I return.
I guess the constant rain in Pattaya is impacting the number of customers coming to the bars.[/QUOTE]What constant rain? I'm in Pattaya since last Wednesday, and so far I've seen only two major thunder storms and some drizzling rain.
I guess there are just not enough mongers yet.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2862290]I'm confused by your reply to my post. I said Kelaya 66 had the same barfine as a WS gogo bar. Ie 1000-2000 barfine plus 3000 ST, 5000 LT. You were quoted similar numbers at other Soi 6 bars?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RajPatela;2862338]Seems we need to go over Pricing again. I'm reading things that are all over the place. Soi 6 and Walk Street are the same. Okay Buddy.

Give a general area and your thoughts on pricing and what you are getting.

Ex. We all are 100% agreed. Beach Road 3 fiddy to 1 k. Think Barrel of Bottom.[/QUOTE]Yep, both of you understood my post correctly.

Obviously I'm talking about barfine with taking the girl out of the bar for a big part or the day or the whole day or night, not the ST session upstairs.

I know the price of barfines in Nightwish, a tier price consisting in 2 K (from Monday to Thursday) and 2,5 K from Friday to Sunday (both of these are prices before 10 pm).

From 10 pm it drops to 1250 bahts or 1500 bahts depending on the day.

From midnight it drops to 800 or 1 K depending on the day.

Take in consideration that some bars close at midnight, some others at 1 am and some others at 2 am so the hours might differ depending on the closing time of the said bar.

These quotes were comfirmed by girls that I know well in Playpen, Utopia or 3 Angels near 2nd road.

You find these prices different to WS? Last trip in May I was in Iron and asked for barfine for ST past midnight, it was 1250 to the bar plus 2 K for the girl (I didn't pull the trigger).

Price for the girl is the most astonishing to me, I've heard 4 K in 3 Angels, 4 K in Poison (not even a good looking girl, BTW barfine is 2 K there and she asked 2 K for ST upstairs), 5 K from one of my repeat girl from this trip near Beach road side (she is not a bullshit girl so I believe her, and she told me she's been barfined a few times already).

When the girl told me 5 K + 2 K I asked her "and guys are paying these prices? She said of course, and looked at me like saying "you think I'm not worth it or what?

Now for ST I've rejected a lot of girls who are trying to start their pricing at 1500 and are not considering anything lower than that, if I feel like the girl is worth it I'll pay it but these girls were not worth it in my mind (either in looks or attitude, or I could feel the session would not be great upstairs). Other girls can easily ask for 2 K, these are the ones that take you for a sucker or girls that are eighteen year old.

Now both of you (or others on the ground), do your own researches, ask these girls price of BF plus what she expects to get for a night out (even if you're not intending to BF them), come back and report here and we'll see if what I've been quoted is different to what you're hearing, and in which bar precisely.

Last thing is that a lot of girls are getting barfined in the soi, which means a lot of guys are really paying these prices. We just don't realise it on this board because discussions are always polluted by cheap charlies boasting about their 1000 bahts TF trophies like they found a real gem in a sea full of shit, but a lot of guys are spending big bucks in the soi and girls and bar owners are catching up with that reality.

I personnaly don't think the trend will stop anytime soon, given the number of young K-dudes or Chinese dudes roaming the soi every day.

I understand it's a chess game between customers, girls and bar owners, but I personnaly think these two categories of customers are a big part in this up-pricing trend.

Just have a look at how many of these girls are completely uninterrested to anything that doesn't look like a guy from one of these two categories, it's not a personnal preference from the girl, it's just that these guys are the easiest targets these days.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862273]You don't have social media contacts for ladies you barfine? So you can arrange "dates" as soon as you arrive in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Very seldom do I make social media contact with beer bar girls, agogo girls, or freelancers. Normally they are easily found at their post the next day and they are long gone before I make my next trip. There are so many choices throughout Thailand that I don't often miss a repeat with any one particular girl.

I do regret not getting Line contact from my favorite agogo girl from March 2023 and my favorite beer bar girl from November 2022. I'll be surprised if I ever see them again.

I have so many Line contacts with never-met non-pro potential holiday girlfriends that I don't remember who is who.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2862254]BTW, just a general note to all, offering and paying money for sex to anyone under the age of 18 is illegal in Thailand. However, sex for love, sport or mere curiosity with someone (with their free consent) over the age of 15 is legal in Thailand. But not if the deal is for money, unless they are over age 18.

The issue regarding barfines would be it is legal for the bar to charge a fee to take a girl out of the bar during her regular work hours.

However, it is illegal for the mamasan, bar management or bar owners to profit in any way from the exchange of money for sex with the girl. That exchange is legal in Thailand only between the girl and her customer. It is illegal for anyone else, a third party, pimp, mamasan, agency, parent, boyfriend, whoever, to profit from the exchange.

So that is where the mamasan and the bar are taking a risk in demanding ALL of the money for the girl to have sex with a customer be paid to them upfront in the bar rather than just the barfine.

Aside from the demand probably having something to do with the mamasan wanting to rake off her 500 - 1000 baht commission right now before the girl disappears into the night perhaps never to return again, it strongly suggests the bar has a financial stake in their girls having sex for money, which would be illegal for the bar, not for the girl or the customer.

When cops raid the bars or agencies, they don't arrest the customers or the girls for "prostitution crimes. " For them, they really haven't committed a "prostitution crime" regarding the simple exchange of money for sex unless there is a criminal co-factor regarding age or coercion. They arrest the mamasans or bar owners for suspicion of them profiting from the exchange, which is a "prostitution crime. ".[/QUOTE]Great report, thanks for writing. This is the first such post that was written well enough that it all makes sense.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2862355]Yep, both of you understood my post correctly.

Obviously I'm talking about barfine with taking the girl out of the bar for a big part or the day or the whole day or night, not the ST session upstairs.

I know the price of barfines in Nightwish, a tier price consisting in 2 K (from Monday to Thursday) and 2,5 K from Friday to Sunday (both of these are prices before 10 pm).

From 10 pm it drops to 1250 bahts or 1500 bahts depending on the day.

From midnight it drops to 800 or 1 K depending on the day.

Take in consideration that some bars close at midnight, some others at 1 am and some others at 2 am so the hours might differ depending on the closing time of the said bar.

These quotes were comfirmed by girls that I know well in Playpen, Utopia or 3 Angels near 2nd road.

You find these prices different to WS? Last trip in May I was in Iron and asked for barfine for ST past midnight, it was 1250 to the bar plus 2 K for the girl (I didn't pull the trigger).

Price for the girl is the most astonishing to me, I've heard 4 K in 3 Angels, 4 K in Poison (not even a good looking girl, BTW barfine is 2 K there and she asked 2 K for ST upstairs), 5 K from one of my repeat girl from this trip near Beach road side (she is not a bullshit girl so I believe her, and she told me she's been barfined a few times already).

When the girl told me 5 K + 2 K I asked her "and guys are paying these prices? She said of course, and looked at me like saying "you think I'm not worth it or what?[/QUOTE]On WS the bigger GoGo the going rate for models is 2-2. 5 K Barfine + 7 K for LT. People are absolutely paying these prices, me included. If that's the price of getting what I want then that's the price. I am not going to bother hunting for value when I am on vacation. It's over $300 for an hour with an average provider where I live.

Hey mongers. Hope you are all boom booming well.

Have a short window (3-4 days) for a solo mongering trip. I have done BKK several times, was looking at Pattaya but wanted to see how a couple of points compare.

1. Conversation is important for me, during the pick up and after, have struggled a bit in places like Thermae, Fiwfans when the girl does not speak English but looks good and sexy. Have found spas and Nana plaza ones to be better at talking, but I am lazy and prefer to get to the job quick. Generally speaking, is English more widely spoken in Pattaya being a clubbing destination?

2. Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?

3. Looking at the week of Nov 13 - first round drinks on me if anyone wants to hang out.

Safe mongering!!

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2862384]Great report, thanks for writing. This is the first such post that was written well enough that it all makes sense.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Horse Trader.

Well, as long as I'm on a roll, I will add a general note about those occasional sweeps of street girls by the cops. LOL.

My previous post about this that you quoted from was regarding P4 P girls working in bars. I think that would also apply to escort agencies, massage shops, soapies, so-called Happy Ending shops and the like. It seems that is why Smooci is trying put a distance between itself and escort agencies of late.

And I should also stipulate that This Is Thailand, I could have it wrong on some meaningful detail or the law has been changed as of last month or some edict has been issued that supercedes traditional penal code and enforcement procedures. My notes are based on what I have read in the Thai Penal Code on the issue and the way it has virtually always turned out in terms of arrests and charges regarding "prostitution crimes" here.

So, about those occasions where the cops round up dozens of street girls in a single night in a surprise sweep on, say, Beach Road in Pattaya or Soi 4 or Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok. Don't the cops say they did it to "Crack down on prostitution" or some such thing and doesn't the media report it as such too?

Yes. Because they are being lazy and / or intentionally imprecise about it.

What they are really arresting the girls for is being prostitutes [I]who are creating a public nuisance of their line of work.[/I].

See, the illegal part is the italicized part of that statement. It is not illegal to be a prostitute in Thailand. But it is illegal to create a [I]public nuisance[/I] about it.

Of course, all it takes for street girls to become a public nuisance is for a nearby hotel, restaurant, residence or I suppose competing bar to lodge a complaint that it is getting so crowded with hookers out there their business' patrons feel intimidated or literally must run the gauntlet of hookers just to reach the entrance to their business.

Or the girls are getting so loud and vocal that the wives and girlfriends of male tourists are annoyed by all this shouting about "boom boom" and "blowjobs".

Anyone remember when the BJ Bars off Soi 8 in Bangkok had to close because the girls sitting outside had gotten too vocal with passersby about what was on offer inside? Then when they were allowed to reopen their style changed from shouting, waving and flagging over potential customers to whispering, "psst. Come inside. Blowjob. " For a while anyway. I think most Bangkok BJ Bar girls sitting outside their bar are still fairly low key and subdued about how they tout their offering compared to the way it was before some of those shops got busted and closed down a long while. And that was pre Covid.

They had been creating a public nuisance out of their business model and got busted for it.

Yes, sometimes those sweeps are also about suspected visa violations or age-related issues, same as some of the raids in the bars, massage shops, etc.

But, again, the busts are not exactly of legal age and properly visa'd girls and their customers for the exchange of money for sex. They are for something else only tangentially related to it.

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2862407]Hey mongers. Hope you are all boom booming well.

Have a short window (3-4 days) for a solo mongering trip. I have done BKK several times, was looking at Pattaya but wanted to see how a couple of points compare.

1. Conversation is important for me, during the pick up and after, have struggled a bit in places like Thermae, Fiwfans when the girl does not speak English but looks good and sexy. Have found spas and Nana plaza ones to be better at talking, but I am lazy and prefer to get to the job quick. Generally speaking, is English more widely spoken in Pattaya being a clubbing destination?

2. Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?

3. Looking at the week of Nov 13 - first round drinks on me if anyone wants to hang out.

Safe mongering!![/QUOTE]1. No the English is not any better in general. Expect plenty of Google translate. I have met a couple girls in the GoGos that do have good English, usually have had a farang boyfriend.

2. Can call Bolt to get around, traffics can be pretty bad on the north end of Beach Road due to constant construction.

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2862407]Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?[/QUOTE]Great location if you want to be away from it all. Not sure how much walking you like but it's not even convenient to walk from that hotel to catch a baht bus at Dolphin round. I assume you're trying to use Marriot points but in Pattaya you're kind of out of luck if you want to be near action. Any hotel along the main baht bus route is doable. In Pattaya there are 3 main action spots, Walking Street, LK Metro / Treetown, and Soi 6. All 3 are easily accessible from the main baht bus route. Can traffic be bad. Yes especially during high season. It is especially bad south of Central Festival heading towards Walking Street. It's bearable from Soi 6 north to Dolphin round on both 2nd Road and Beach Road.

Most girls speak English quite well in Pattaya. Conversation is extremely important to me too if I plan on spending more than an hour with a girl. If I need to use Google Translate she's out unless it's just a quick bang on Soi 6 or a G Club. Best English is likely among the gogo girls. Of course if you are seeking girls over 22 they've been around long enough to all speak English.

I concur with what you said, that's why was taken back when people said they are paying 300 bhats. In my knowledge it's 1200 + 300 fine for ST upstairs.

Within a year I have seen fine raised from 500 bhats last year in one bar 11 pm to around 1250 bhats.

Bangkok still seems cheaper in terms of barfine but may catch up soon, though the city itself is damn expensive.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2862355]Yep, both of you understood my post correctly.

Obviously I'm talking about barfine with taking the girl out of the bar for a big part or the day or the whole day or night, not the ST session upstairs.

I know the price of barfines in Nightwish, a tier price consisting in 2 K (from Monday to Thursday) and 2,5 K from Friday to Sunday (both of these are prices before 10 pm).

From 10 pm it drops to 1250 bahts or 1500 bahts depending on the day.

From midnight it drops to 800 or 1 K depending on the day.

Take in consideration that some bars close at midnight, some others at 1 am and some others at 2 am so the hours might differ depending on the closing time of the said bar.

These quotes were comfirmed by girls that I know well in Playpen, Utopia or 3 Angels near 2nd road.

You find these prices different to WS? Last trip in May I was in Iron and asked for barfine for ST past midnight, it was 1250 to the bar plus 2 K for the girl (I didn't pull the trigger).

Price for the girl is the most astonishing to me, I've heard 4 K in 3 Angels, 4 K in Poison (not even a good looking girl, BTW barfine is 2 K there and she asked 2 K for ST upstairs), 5 K from one of my repeat girl from this trip near Beach road side (she is not a bullshit girl so I believe her, and she told me she's been barfined a few times already).

When the girl told me 5 K + 2 K I asked her "and guys are paying these prices? She said of course, and looked at me like saying "you think I'm not worth it or what?

Now for ST I've rejected a lot of girls who are trying to start their pricing at 1500 and are not considering anything lower than that, if I feel like the girl is worth it I'll pay it but these girls were not worth it in my mind (either in looks or attitude, or I could feel the session would not be great upstairs). Other girls can easily ask for 2 K, these are the ones that take you for a sucker or girls that are eighteen year old.

Now both of you (or others on the ground), do your own researches, ask these girls price of BF plus what she expects to get for a night out (even if you're not intending to BF them), come back and report here and we'll see if what I've been quoted is different to what you're hearing, and in which bar precisely.

Last thing is that a lot of girls are getting barfined in the soi, which means a lot of guys are really paying these prices. We just don't realise it on this board because discussions are always polluted by cheap charlies boasting about their 1000 bahts TF trophies like they found a real gem in a sea full of shit, but a lot of guys are spending big bucks in the soi and girls and bar owners are catching up with that reality.

I personnaly don't think the trend will stop anytime soon, given the number of young K-dudes or Chinese dudes roaming the soi every day.

I understand it's a chess game between customers, girls and bar owners, but I personnaly think these two categories of customers are a big part in this up-pricing trend.

Just have a look at how many of these girls are completely uninterrested to anything that doesn't look like a guy from one of these two categories, it's not a personnal preference from the girl, it's just that these guys are the easiest targets these days.[/QUOTE]

Google translator works well. You may find few speaking well but most don't.

If you can walk a bit, you can catch tuktuk to soi lane.

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2862407]Hey mongers. Hope you are all boom booming well.

Have a short window (3-4 days) for a solo mongering trip. I have done BKK several times, was looking at Pattaya but wanted to see how a couple of points compare.

1. Conversation is important for me, during the pick up and after, have struggled a bit in places like Thermae, Fiwfans when the girl does not speak English but looks good and sexy. Have found spas and Nana plaza ones to be better at talking, but I am lazy and prefer to get to the job quick. Generally speaking, is English more widely spoken in Pattaya being a clubbing destination?

2. Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?

3. Looking at the week of Nov 13 - first round drinks on me if anyone wants to hang out.

Safe mongering!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2862254]BTW, just a general note to all, offering and paying money for sex to anyone under the age of 18 is illegal in Thailand. However, sex for love, sport or mere curiosity with someone (with their free consent) over the age of 15 is legal in Thailand. But not if the deal is for money, unless they are over age 18.[/QUOTE]Is this really true? I told a story before about a young US Marine meeting a 16 year old onlin a couple years ago and him and his colleague hooking up with her and her friend. Her father found out and the guys were in deep shit. My buddy was called in by the Marines to translate a negotiation in the middle of the night. The US government had to pay I think $75,000 to the father to get those guys off the hook.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2862254]So that is where the mamasan and the bar are taking a risk in demanding ALL of the money for the girl to have sex with a customer be paid to them upfront in the bar rather than just the barfine.[/QUOTE]So how do the soapies get away with it?

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2862407]2. Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?[/QUOTE]A few months ago I stayed a bit north of your Marriot Courtyard and I took advantage of the frequent free shuttles to and from the action.

Bringing a girl from central Pattaya to my hotel was not practical, so I ended up renting dismal short term rooms. Next visit I'll stay somewhere between Soi 6 and Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2862355]Yep, both of you understood my post correctly.

Obviously I'm talking about barfine with taking the girl out of the bar for a big part or the day or the whole day or night, not the ST session upstairs.

I know the price of barfines in Nightwish, a tier price consisting in 2 K (from Monday to Thursday) and 2,5 K from Friday to Sunday (both of these are prices before 10 pm).

From 10 pm it drops to 1250 bahts or 1500 bahts depending on the day.

From midnight it drops to 800 or 1 K depending on the day.

Take in consideration that some bars close at midnight, some others at 1 am and some others at 2 am so the hours might differ depending on the closing time of the said bar.

These quotes were comfirmed by girls that I know well in Playpen, Utopia or 3 Angels near 2nd road.

You find these prices different to WS? Last trip in May I was in Iron and asked for barfine for ST past midnight, it was 1250 to the bar plus 2 K for the girl (I didn't pull the trigger).

Price for the girl is the most astonishing to me, I've heard 4 K in 3 Angels, 4 K in Poison (not even a good looking girl, BTW barfine is 2 K there and she asked 2 K for ST upstairs), 5 K from one of my repeat girl from this trip near Beach road side (she is not a bullshit girl so I believe her, and she told me she's been barfined a few times already).

When the girl told me 5 K + 2 K I asked her "and guys are paying these prices? She said of course, and looked at me like saying "you think I'm not worth it or what?

Now for ST I've rejected a lot of girls who are trying to start their pricing at 1500 and are not considering anything lower than that, if I feel like the girl is worth it I'll pay it but these girls were not worth it in my mind (either in looks or attitude, or I could feel the session would not be great upstairs). Other girls can easily ask for 2 K, these are the ones that take you for a sucker or girls that are eighteen year old.

Now both of you (or others on the ground), do your own researches, ask these girls price of BF plus what she expects to get for a night out (even if you're not intending to BF them), come back and report here and we'll see if what I've been quoted is different to what you're hearing, and in which bar precisely.

Last thing is that a lot of girls are getting barfined in the soi, which means a lot of guys are really paying these prices. We just don't realise it on this board because discussions are always polluted by cheap charlies boasting about their 1000 bahts TF trophies like they found a real gem in a sea full of shit, but a lot of guys are spending big bucks in the soi and girls and bar owners are catching up with that reality.

I personnaly don't think the trend will stop anytime soon, given the number of young K-dudes or Chinese dudes roaming the soi every day.

I understand it's a chess game between customers, girls and bar owners, but I personnaly think these two categories of customers are a big part in this up-pricing trend.

Just have a look at how many of these girls are completely uninterrested to anything that doesn't look like a guy from one of these two categories, it's not a personnal preference from the girl, it's just that these guys are the easiest targets these days.[/QUOTE]I did not realize taking a Sou 6 or WS girl Long Time was so complicated. I don't do it.

Right now I'm in shock after seeing the Flat girls in Fahrenheit the other night. Is that what Baitoey looks like Nekkid. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2862382]
I have so many Line contacts with never-met non-pro potential holiday girlfriends that I don't remember who is who.[/QUOTE]That's why I usually delete never-met girls, and make notes about the ones I did meet.

[QUOTE=SandyBaby;2862445]I concur with what you said, that's why was taken back when people said they are paying 300 bhats. In my knowledge it's 1200 + 300 fine for ST upstairs.

Within a year I have seen fine raised from 500 bhats last year in one bar 11 pm to around 1250 bhats.

Bangkok still seems cheaper in terms of barfine but may catch up soon, though the city itself is damn expensive.[/QUOTE]Bangkok, expensive? Compared to what? Still amazing value for hotels and food.

Thanks fellas for the replies and DMs. Very helpful, will update on the places and action after the trip.

For the DMs on meet-up, I will reply back once my bookings are done.

Safe mongering!!

[QUOTE=Venturi34;2862418]1. No the English is not any better in general. Expect plenty of Google translate. I have met a couple girls in the GoGos that do have good English, usually have had a farang boyfriend.

2. Can call Bolt to get around, traffics can be pretty bad on the north end of Beach Road due to constant construction.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2862444]Great location if you want to be away from it all. Not sure how much walking you like but it's not even convenient to walk from that hotel to catch a baht bus at Dolphin round. I assume you're trying to use Marriot points but in Pattaya you're kind of out of luck if you want to be near action. Any hotel along the main baht bus route is doable. In Pattaya there are 3 main action spots, Walking Street, LK Metro / Treetown, and Soi 6. All 3 are easily accessible from the main baht bus route. Can traffic be bad. Yes especially during high season. It is especially bad south of Central Festival heading towards Walking Street. It's bearable from Soi 6 north to Dolphin round on both 2nd Road and Beach Road.

Most girls speak English quite well in Pattaya. Conversation is extremely important to me too if I plan on spending more than an hour with a girl. If I need to use Google Translate she's out unless it's just a quick bang on Soi 6 or a G Club. Best English is likely among the gogo girls. Of course if you are seeking girls over 22 they've been around long enough to all speak English.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SandyBaby;2862448]Google translator works well. You may find few speaking well but most don't.

If you can walk a bit, you can catch tuktuk to soi lane.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2862487]A few months ago I stayed a bit north of your Marriot Courtyard and I took advantage of the frequent free shuttles to and from the action.

Bringing a girl from central Pattaya to my hotel was not practical, so I ended up renting dismal short term rooms. Next visit I'll stay somewhere between Soi 6 and Walking Street.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2862512]Bangkok, expensive? Compared to what? Still amazing value for hotels and food.[/QUOTE]Personally prefer Bangkok over Pattaya. I will be in Thailand starting December 17th for 19 days, with 12 of those days in Bangkok. One week in Pattaya is just the right amount.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2862469]Is this really true? I told a story before about a young US Marine meeting a 16 year old onlin a couple years ago and him and his colleague hooking up with her and her friend. Her father found out and the guys were in deep shit. My buddy was called in by the Marines to translate a negotiation in the middle of the night. The US government had to pay I think $75,000 to the father to get those guys off the hook.

So how do the soapies get away with it?[/QUOTE]Tea money, perhaps. Also, TIT in the sense that the authorities are willing to look the other way if the trade is not creating a public nuisance about the services they offer. Same with massage shops, Happy Ending shops and BJ Bars. But BJ Bars have been shut down because the girls were too demonstrative and vocal with passersby about what they offer inside.

If a soapie erects a big, highly visible led banner highlighting the sex that can happen if you pay the fee to them, I would expect them to be shut down and the proprietors to be arrested for profiting or living off the proceeds of someone else engaging in an act of prostitution. But I would not expect the girls providing that service or the customers paying them for it to get arrested for that act of prostitution.

Keep it low key, the explicit description of it out of sight from general traffic flow, don't embarrass Thailand in the minds of casual tourists on the direct issue of paying money for sex, mask it behind the notion of merely providing entertainment, a massage or an assisted wash down bath and the authorities are likely to take a live and let live approach to it.

And tea money probably helps too.

After all, if there really is a law on the books making it a crime to exchange of sex for money between consenting adults who have not been coerced into it by a third party and with service providers who have a proper visa, why aren't soapies, massage shops, Happy Ending shops and BJ Bars shut down and the proprietors, girls and customers inside arrested for it every day?

Why aren't cops whose rent money is short by 1,000 - 2,000 baht this month riding up on their motorbikes next to farrang punters blatantly negotiating with street girls every hour to settle the penalty for their "crime" on the spot as quickly as they try to bust me on my motorbike for not wearing a helmet and not having a driver's license (it is an electric bicycle some cops mistake for a full size, regulation motorcycle. LOL) and what about the shakedowns where the cops are checking to see if you have contraband in your pocket or bag?

There is no effort by the cops to do that when an obvious act of prostitution is taking place in full view of them on Beach Road in Pattaya or on Soi 4 in Bangkok because there is no law on the books specifically criminalizing the act of prostitution.

Now, try negotiating such a thing in full view of a busload of tourists parked at the Grand Palace or a Temple and you and your street girl are probably going to find yourselves seized upon by every color uniformed officers and carted off to jail. The charge will be something like creating public nuisance related to the act of prostitution.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2862469]Is this really true? I told a story before about a young US Marine meeting a 16 year old onlin a couple years ago and him and his colleague hooking up with her and her friend. Her father found out and the guys were in deep shit. My buddy was called in by the Marines to translate a negotiation in the middle of the night. The US government had to pay I think $75,000 to the father to get those guys off the hook.

So how do the soapies get away with it?[/QUOTE]What was the online exchange with the girl about? Only sex for love? Or were there enough extenuating circumstances to support a case that your buddy, his friend and the 16 year old girl expected there to be some exchange of money or something else with monetary value for having sex with her? It could even be as much as previous online exchanges by those same guys on that same site with older girls where it was clear they were there to hook up with prostitutes and not to find a wife.

And you're talking about the military, right? The military might have a whole set of different rules about their property, the soldiers, interacting with girls of any age for any reason and the Thai authorities would be well aware of that too.

[QUOTE=Venturi34;2862399]On WS the bigger GoGo the going rate for models is 2-2. 5 K Barfine + 7 K for LT. People are absolutely paying these prices, me included. If that's the price of getting what I want then that's the price. I am not going to bother hunting for value when I am on vacation. It's over $300 for an hour with an average provider where I live.[/QUOTE]Wow!

Are you from Korea?

Don't Fret.

9 girls at Showgirls. One stands out.

She got Barfined on Premises. Nit by a Korean. Nit by Sin, hkg, etc.

Best I could tell Ugly Mexican or Portuguese.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2862412]Thanks, Horse Trader.

Well, as long as I'm on a roll, I will add a general note about those occasional sweeps of street girls by the cops. LOL.

My previous post about this that you quoted from was regarding P4 P girls working in bars. I think that would also apply to escort agencies, massage shops, soapies, so-called Happy Ending shops and the like. It seems that is why Smooci is trying put a distance between itself and escort agencies of late.

And I should also stipulate that This Is Thailand, I could have it wrong on some meaningful detail or the law has been changed as of last month or some edict has been issued that supercedes traditional penal code and enforcement procedures. My notes are based on what I have read in the Thai Penal Code on the issue and the way it has virtually always turned out in terms of arrests and charges regarding "prostitution crimes" here.

So, about those occasions where the cops round up dozens of street girls in a single night in a surprise sweep on, say, Beach Road in Pattaya or Soi 4 or Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok. Don't the cops say they did it to "Crack down on prostitution" or some such thing and doesn't the media report it as such too?

Yes. Because they are being lazy and / or intentionally imprecise about it.

What they are really arresting the girls for is being prostitutes [I]who are creating a public nuisance of their line of work.[/I]..[/QUOTE]Real sweeps are rare.

More common is when the cops walk down Beach road in a group. The ladies disappear across the street, and then filter back when the cops are gone.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862624]Don't Fret.

9 girls at Showgirls. One stands out.

She got Barfined on Premises. Nit by a Korean. Nit by Sin, hkg, etc.

Best I could tell Ugly Mexican or Portuguese.[/QUOTE]Wow! Big news! Gogo girl gets barfined!

My question remains: apart from one poster, who is barfining gogo girls?

I believe that Walking Street is heading the way of Angeles City, only Korean customers. And they only come to Pattaya once.

Miracles do Happen.

I met world Famous Priew of Desire.

Checks out Hotness. Sweet too.

Little bigger upper Torso she could be more Hot.

Said doesn't do Barfines. Makes sense as she does well on Livestream.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862601]Wow!

Are you from Korea?[/QUOTE]New York City.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862633]Wow! Big news! Gogo girl gets barfined!

My question remains: apart from one poster, who is barfining gogo girls?

I believe that Walking Street is heading the way of Angeles City, only Korean customers. And they only come to Pattaya once.[/QUOTE]Context.

Soi 6. Not an Agogo.

Point is you do t have to look like KPop Star to boom boom with attractive Soi 6 girl.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862632]Real sweeps are rare.

More common is when the cops walk down Beach road in a group. The ladies disappear across the street, and then filter back when the cops are gone.[/QUOTE]A few years ago in Bangkok there were some sweeps. They were all based on visa issues pertaining to so many Africans and Vietnamese girls hanging out on Soi 4 back then. Took a couple of years before they felt safe to return in notable numbers.

None of those sweeps were because the girls were engaged in prostitution.

And, of course, no customer was swept up in a sweep because he was offering girls, consenting adults, money for sex either.

And as far as I know no girl and certainly no punter that I know of made a habit of paying off the cops with tea money to keep from getting busted on a charge of prostitution.

Which, IMHO, are all factors about as convincing as it gets that there is no reasonable interpretation of the Thai Penal Code that supports the idea that the simple act of prostitution is illegal absent any fairly logical extenuating circumstances or obviously troubling co-factors regarding age, undue coercion, creating a public nuisance and so on.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2862658]Context.

Soi 6. Not an Agogo.

Point is you do t have to look like KPop Star to boom boom with attractive Soi 6 girl.[/QUOTE]Nah the girls definitely do not care that much. I could definitely pass as a be Tier Kpop group member and they quote me the exact same price as everyone else. As long as your cash is good and you are clean then for the most part the girls will treat you the same. On the other hand I really do not find Soi 6 girls that attractive. I usually have to walk down and then back in order to settle on someone that I think is ok. Maybe most of the good girls are done / busy by the time I get there. Who knows.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862633]Wow! Big news! Gogo girl gets barfined!

My question remains: apart from one poster, who is barfining gogo girls?

I believe that Walking Street is heading the way of Angeles City, only Korean customers. And they only come to Pattaya once.[/QUOTE]99% of the people in Pattaya are NOT on this forum.

30+ bars with 100 girls average is 3. 000 agogo ladies easily. 2 barfines minimum in 10 days = 6. 000 barfines per 10 days or 600 per DAY.

Thats on average. So mondays would probably be 200 and saturdays more than 1. 000?

Who barfine? Guys who are NOT just looking for cheap sex. Guys who are not aware of this (or other fora / websites / groups). Asians. Farang.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2862731]99% of the people in Pattaya are NOT on this forum.

30+ bars with 100 girls average is 3. 000 agogo ladies easily. 2 barfines minimum in 10 days = 6. 000 barfines per 10 days or 600 per DAY.

Thats on average. So mondays would probably be 200 and saturdays more than 1. 000?

Who barfine? Guys who are NOT just looking for cheap sex. Guys who are not aware of this (or other fora / websites / groups). Asians. Farang.[/QUOTE]It looks like 50% of the posts here are about Walking Street, but virtually no one here barfines from gogos on WS.

So, where do you pull your ladies?

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2862731]99% of the people in Pattaya are NOT on this forum.

30+ bars with 100 girls average is 3. 000 agogo ladies easily. 2 barfines minimum in 10 days = 6. 000 barfines per 10 days or 600 per DAY.

Thats on average. So mondays would probably be 200 and saturdays more than 1. 000?

Who barfine? Guys who are NOT just looking for cheap sex. Guys who are not aware of this (or other fora / websites / groups). Asians. Farang.[/QUOTE]I just spent 2 weeks down in Pattaya, I live in BKK and HK.

I had 22 girls from TF lined up. 11 were optiflick or piss poor upon meeting so I went to Sapphire to meet a lady from TF and I bar fined her. Why because she was lovely and I thought WTF.

I bar fined 2 ladies from Soi 6 bars. And I picked up a FL or 3 around the traps. Even avoided chicks with dicks.

The FL cost from 1200ST - 4000 LT. The gogo lady from Sapphire was 6 k LT plus a huge BF and drinks bill. Who cares. A girl from XS Agogo went with me once via BF and then 4 times from direct contact mainly during the day. 21 yr old spinner. Lovely PSE.

Most bars seemed quiet to me so that may a cheaper route but many of the ladies were drunk after 9 pm so I didn't want the hassle.

Will update as to which were TF, bar girls, FL and / or Agogo, GC.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2860689]Noi? No, she's not at 79 Club. That bar has the longest narrow set up I've seen ever. You can sit in any section and only see the girls in front of you. Imagine Palace set up, but 3 X the length longer. And the girls don't rotate stage to stage or on stage, they just flip their backs to you or their front. Shame on the designer. The good thing about 79 Club is their lighting. Not dark at all. I go pee just so I can walk to see all the girls on stage.

Speaking of ridiculous. There is some major decent new talent on Soi 6, but these "my style" girls were quoting 2500-3000 upstairs plus room charge and 1-2 drinks. That is RIDICULOUS. I adapted and paid 1500 for few of the better ones last time and even a couple of hotter ones at 2000. This was in a span of 5 months awhile back. But the hell if I am gong to pay 3000 for a Soi 6 girl. I thought my charm was going to get me the regular 1000 plus room and 1 drink price. WRONG. I wasted 3 drinks on 3 hot ones to get quoted of 2000 and 2500, plus room. I am not going to name bars or girls, so they can get their hustle on. But I need to heed my own advice. If you see a super HOT girl on Soi 6, "Ask them first how much before even buying 1 drink. ".

Girls know their worth. Luckily after 3 strikes, I found a girl who gave me a 1000 price. Her body was better than 2 of the 3 strike outs, face was decent enough. So once again, hot girl (my style) at Soi 6 just standing without drinks. There is a reason why. Ask ask ask. And if she gives a high price. Shake your head "no" and make an X with both arms to show "hell no". That will get them some silly unwanted attention from guys walking by. LOL.[/QUOTE]True to an extent. I concentrate on 3 or 4 girls at 2 bars and buy drinks for 2 at a time and then ask about outside BF long term. Many say ST only but after a time if the bars are as quiet as they have been you will be successful. If not there are tonnes of other options. The girl I am in lust with. Some call it LOVE is at Sexy in the City and I spent a quite a bit of time at that bar and I NEVER saw her with a hook up for sex. But she got lots of drinks and cash slipped her way.

YMMV.

Explorer asks who Barfs at Agogos. Can't answer as I see very few Barfining going on.

Soi 6 who Barfines. I do see a lot of the infamous Koreans Barfining. What they pay I have no idea.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2860687]Guy needs yo learn how to leg sweep

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gSZakNVSmQ[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861129]In the real world, individuals that still have semblance of their bounded rationality in tact, find an another method to purchase items when faced with unfavorable market conditions. But this is not the real world, this is Pattaya. Where individuals arrive with condoms in one pocket, THB in the other and a blood stream full of 200 grams of their favorite ED meds. My solution to all of the problems I read about currently going on in the bars is to simply avoid bar fines.

Speaking of that, two nights ago contacted a girl from Thai Friendly. She accepted my offer of 1000ST along with my performance conditions. Arrived within 30 minutes. She accepted my offer of a drink and picked what she wanted from the full bar I maintain. I mixed it up. I am an excellent bartender and she is a smart girl. She watched me make her drink. After the drink she hit the bathroom and came out naked. The performance was off the chain. Gave her a 100 THB tip. No fuss. No mess (except for the one I made and she cleaned up) and no bar fines.

So, this morning to see if it was just a one off I invited her over again. Same 30 minute arrival time. Same off the chain performance, but different. 1100 THB. Once again no bar fines. She has made the team in a back up roll. More tryouts tonight.

I have run into attractive girls off of Thai Friendly that tell me I will accept my 1000 offer but I need to give them another 300,500 to pay their bar. I always politely decline and tell them to get with me in their off hours. I don't see why I should pay extra for something that does nothing for me. There is an individual that questions giving money to girls for nothing. Paying a bar fine is giving the owners of a bar money for nothing. You don't even get a drink with it. Now, I pay a subscription fee for Thai Friendly. But there is an entire website infrastructure that they have built. In my opinion the bar system is exploitive of the girls and I will not participate. No further than buying a drink for an attractive girl that chooses to sit with me. There may be biases. I solve them by leaving the premises. The most power vote the world over is the vote with your money and your feet. No tears being shed for any bar owner. Many of whom (in my opinion) are problem using the establishment to launder money.

Honestly I don't get the entire bar scene. I don't particularly like it. Even though I really like to drink. And for the fools giving advice about drinking and liver damage they making stupid comments. Your liver is designed to process 1 oz of alcohol an hour. It is what a liver does, process impurities out of your blood. If you are really concerned about your liver you should watch the fatty intake of foods. As a liver builds up fat within it, is loses it's ability to process blood. That is the real killer. And you liver does not lose the fat deposits once it has them. Do your homework before spouting off bullshit that is not true. You don't believe me, look up how foie gras is made.

[B]Is Raj Raj a real person? Anyone actually met him?[/B][/QUOTE]I like TF. More interesting to see who one really is behind the pictures (doctored in many cases) or perhaps a LB or 2. Very easy to get 20-25 yr olds (I'm over 50 now). Kind of reminds me of doing this thing in Budapest where many ladies would just hang up if they heard English.

But I also like and underatand the bars and their business model / s. Its easy to chill at a bar with a nice girl. Met one in Soi 6 at Sexy, byu the name of Oil. Just love her but didn't want to BF her and go through the act of defiling her LOL. Then again I love FL on Beach Rd as its a numbers game and a risk and yada yada yada.

I like Agogos and all the BS that goes with them and this policy and that policy. Still at the end of the day I find Pattaya cheaper than BKK (Thermae gilrs quoting 3000ST as if they're Christie Brinkley in her prime) and then the sex with them 50% of the time is shit. Then again TF students in BKK are great. I have one of my semi-pro tour at 4000 a day but she fucks and sucks like A PSE. Then she pisses off until we meet again. And BKK is << cheaper than Phuket IMHO.

All otpions are on the table for me but I hear you about Soi 6 attitudes. I did go to a GC called Stunners and while I didn't BF or blow my wad I did have a nice time in a cosy environment with some nice broads. Drinks were ok as I was only on Heineken.

Didn't get it. Can explain.

Had to pay 1 K barfine in Bangkok to get the agogo girl back to room. It was midnight.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862633]Wow! Big news! Gogo girl gets barfined!

My question remains: apart from one poster, who is barfining gogo girls?

I believe that Walking Street is heading the way of Angeles City, only Korean customers. And they only come to Pattaya once.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2862764]I like TF. More interesting to see who one really is behind the pictures (doctored in many cases) or perhaps a LB or 2. Very easy to get 20-25 yr olds (I'm over 50 now). Kind of reminds me of doing this thing in Budapest where many ladies would just hang up if they heard English.

But I also like and underatand the bars and their business model / s. Its easy to chill at a bar with a nice girl. Met one in Soi 6 at Sexy, byu the name of Oil. Just love her but didn't want to BF her and go through the act of defiling her LOL. Then again I love FL on Beach Rd as its a numbers game and a risk and yada yada yada.

I like Agogos and all the BS that goes with them and this policy and that policy. Still at the end of the day I find Pattaya cheaper than BKK (Thermae gilrs quoting 3000ST as if they're Christie Brinkley in her prime) and then the sex with them 50% of the time is shit. Then again TF students in BKK are great. I have one of my semi-pro tour at 4000 a day but she fucks and sucks like A PSE. Then she pisses off until we meet again. And BKK is << cheaper than Phuket IMHO.

All otpions are on the table for me but I hear you about Soi 6 attitudes. I did go to a GC called Stunners and while I didn't BF or blow my wad I did have a nice time in a cosy environment with some nice broads. Drinks were ok as I was only on Heineken.[/QUOTE]Typos, sorry, been drinking all night here in Honkers. Where pxssy is REAL $$.

Why did you not confirm TF girls with video calls, one can bring down the failure rate with this.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2862753]I just spent 2 weeks down in Pattaya, I live in BKK and HK.

I had 22 girls from TF lined up. 11 were optiflick or piss poor upon meeting so I went to Sapphire to meet a lady from TF and I bar fined her. Why because she was lovely and I thought WTF.
.[/QUOTE]

Wheels down at Suvarnabhumi. Posted on Facebook.

Loads of ladies respond on Messenger asking for a "date".

I guess the rain is curbing the number of customers in the bars.

BTW, Immigration was jammed with people coming to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862743]It looks like 50% of the posts here are about Walking Street, but virtually no one here barfines from gogos on WS.

So, where do you pull your ladies?[/QUOTE]TF - But some work agogo / GC / bar and they meet when NOT working.

Agogo - Barfined several but never paid more then 2-3 K LT for the lady and 1 K barfine. People seem to forget that even barfine rates are not as fixed as it might seem.

The "trick" is most girls might ASK a lot. And its about show. So NEVER brag about a lower rate.

Coming in March from Arizona, never traveled outside US-from what I can see on video Pattaya has 10 x more ladies than Phuket. If you only had 6 days where would you go?

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2862731]99% of the people in Pattaya are NOT on this forum.

30+ bars with 100 girls average is 3. 000 agogo ladies easily. 2 barfines minimum in 10 days = 6. 000 barfines per 10 days or 600 per DAY.

Thats on average. So mondays would probably be 200 and saturdays more than 1. 000?

Who barfine? Guys who are NOT just looking for cheap sex. Guys who are not aware of this (or other fora / websites / groups). Asians. Farang.[/QUOTE]Very few, if anybody frequent GoGo bars as much as I do. I probably have barfined the most girls on WS's history. I can tell you, there are only 100+ girls in a few clubs, plus clubs with same bosses just rotate their same girls. Also the contracts and drink commission info, people post about is not always correct. In the past so many girls have given me their own money to pay their barfines for them because they get it all back. It's rolled into their contract. I don't want to go into the details of how and why because its their hustle. And seriously, one 1 oz shot of tequila is 65 calories. A girl downing 50 shots is 3000 calories a night? Including what she eats, a pound of weight is 3500 calories. And they sleep all day to work the next night. You peeps are starting to catch on yet?

Interesting, I did chat up a Korean streamer who had his own porn channel with a bunch of vids of diff girls in Pattaya. Some of the girls I recognized and have banged before as well. The guy would pay them a decent amount to made the vids, and then sorta blackmail them to get cheap rates afterwards. Now I know why those YouTubers are so successful. They put them on media blast if the girls give them a hard time or outrageous pricing. What ever works. Some of these girls are just dumb as fuck or desperate. The camera lures them into a trap and they all for the glitz. Much like porn, once your broken in, your are broken.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2862754]Will update as to which were TF, bar girls, FL and / or Agogo, GC.[/QUOTE]Mai (pink dress) is a staple in Pattaya. Met up with another ISG guy who kicked her out because of her shitty service and hairy asshole. Thank God, she was only 1000 during COVID for me (one time, no repeat). What's her rate now off TF? 2000-2500?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2862868]Wheels down at Suvarnabhumi. Posted on Facebook.

Loads of ladies respond on Messenger asking for a "date".

I guess the rain is curbing the number of customers in the bars.

BTW, Immigration was jammed with people coming to Thailand.[/QUOTE]I don't think the rain curbs customers, it's just relatively did in Pattaya.

I went through immigration at BKK a week ago, only two or three others present with no lines.

[QUOTE=Algocreeper4;2862935]Coming in March from Arizona, never traveled outside US-from what I can see on video Pattaya has 10 x more ladies than Phuket. If you only had 6 days where would you go?[/QUOTE]Ahh the typical American, never left the friendly confines of Murica. Most my co-workers in the US have never had a passport LOL. Kudos on you for getting out of the American exceptionalism mentality and making an effort to see the world and ladies of a different nature than ones you find in America.

Pattaya has a lot more girls than Phuket at a fraction of the price. If you need some nice beach time, that of course is far superior in Phuket than Pattaya, but just take the ferry from Pattaya's Bali Hai Pier to Koh Larn for a day and take a lady with you. Koh Larn has clear blue waters.

In conclusion, Pattaya is cheaper and has more girls.

[QUOTE=Algocreeper4;2862935]Coming in March from Arizona, never traveled outside US-from what I can see on video Pattaya has 10 x more ladies than Phuket. If you only had 6 days where would you go?[/QUOTE]Bangkok 3 days Pattaya 3 days. I'm guessing you're not familiar with the geography but Phuket is quite a ways away. Not worth the extra flights over a 6 day trip.

[QUOTE=Algocreeper4;2862935]Coming in March from Arizona, never traveled outside US-from what I can see on video Pattaya has 10 x more ladies than Phuket. If you only had 6 days where would you go?[/QUOTE]Phuket is more expensive than Pattaya, and has less women.

I don't think like a Hustler.

If a girl gives me 2,000 to pay her Barfine. I get that.

We go out of Bar Lovey Dovey Kissy Kissy. Once we out of Bar I say have a good night.

Where and what is the Hustle?

Who is Zooming who?

Hi Fellow Mongers. I am visiting Thailand for the first time from 31-Oct to 03-Nov. Is there anyone else who is travelling in these dates and want to monger together?

[QUOTE=Algocreeper4;2862935]Coming in March from Arizona, never traveled outside US-from what I can see on video Pattaya has 10 x more ladies than Phuket. If you only had 6 days where would you go?[/QUOTE]Pattaya is more compact, more pussy, less hassle (relatively), MUCH CHEAPER but many downsides. Dirty, beach is shite, whereas Phuket has awesome beaches, better vibe and IMHO more high end talent. 6 days do Bangkok and stay at a nice hotel in Sukhumvit with a pool, Hyatt or Marriott.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2862940]Mai (pink dress) is a staple in Pattaya. Met up with another ISG guy who kicked her out because of her shitty service and hairy asshole. Thank God, she was only 1000 during COVID for me (one time, no repeat). What's her rate now off TF? 2000-2500?[/QUOTE]I'm confused as pink dress is Kat. Dohhhh I get confused, so many bits of trim, so little time.

I'm Lost.

Landlords are raising prices big for coming High season to make up for the 5 last non- high seasons. Hahaha.

I'm reading anecdotal s on ASEAN News regarding apt rentals. Landlords are not keeping current tenants instead are going for the Gold.

Makes me wonder if Bargirls are doing the same thing.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2863070]Phuket is more expensive than Pattaya, and has less women.[/QUOTE]Nicer overall though but I'm biased having 1st gone to both in 1986 where one was a brothel on a shoddy beach and still is, albeit larger, and the other was a lovely holiday resort, brothel on many beaches.

YMMV.

I prefer Pattaya now, then no way.

Visiting Thailand after 15 years. Not sure hows the scene would be compared to 15 Y back. But I am excited.

This time will be in pattaya, spending 3-4 days.

I can't take girl in my hotel (coming with a group for some work).

I will be mostly looking for soapy massage + FS. In bkk, I enjoyed la-belle kind of setup during previous visit. Will explore similar in pattaya this time. Any recommendations would be helpful.

Is there option of love hotel kind of setup. ? Few hours stay kind?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bang4444;2863118]Visiting Thailand after 15 years. Not sure hows the scene would be compared to 15 Y back. But I am excited.

This time will be in pattaya, spending 3-4 days.

I can't take girl in my hotel (coming with a group for some work).

I will be mostly looking for soapy massage + FS. In bkk, I enjoyed la-belle kind of setup during previous visit. Will explore similar in pattaya this time. Any recommendations would be helpful.

Is there option of love hotel kind of setup. ? Few hours stay kind?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Soapys focus on indians these days so would avoid them. Just book Travelodge (soi15) for 1 K THB and you got your own "Extra" hotel? A lot easier than a ST hotel?

[QUOTE=Bang4444;2863118]Visiting Thailand after 15 years. Not sure hows the scene would be compared to 15 Y back. But I am excited.

This time will be in pattaya, spending 3-4 days.

I can't take girl in my hotel (coming with a group for some work).

I will be mostly looking for soapy massage + FS. In bkk, I enjoyed la-belle kind of setup during previous visit. Will explore similar in pattaya this time. Any recommendations would be helpful.

Is there option of love hotel kind of setup. ? Few hours stay kind?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Many bars have short time rooms, same as 15 years ago.

Beach Road girls use nearby Short Time hotels.

There is Full Love Inn on Soi Bonkot 8.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2863071]I don't think like a Hustler.

If a girl gives me 2,000 to pay her Barfine. I get that.

We go out of Bar Lovey Dovey Kissy Kissy. Once we out of Bar I say have a good night.

Where and what is the Hustle?

Who is Zooming who?[/QUOTE]I am surprised you don't charge them for your time.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2862988]Ahh the typical American, never left the friendly confines of Murica. Most my co-workers in the US have never had a passport LOL. Kudos on you for getting out of the American exceptionalism mentality and making an effort to see the world and ladies of a different nature than ones you find in America.
[/QUOTE]We were exceptional, but then we went off the gold standard, and became whiny little bitches.

Please elaborate why one Recommend s staying away from Indian frequented Pattaya Soapies. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha.

Half of my "dates" are no-Shows, no messages saying they aren't coming, which usually means they got a customer. Another sign of High Season approaching.

No problem for me, I cross them off my list, and then I can go out. But not to a go-go.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2863149]Soapys focus on indians these days so would avoid them.[/QUOTE]How do you know he is not Indian? And why would you avoid them because they focus on Indians? My experience is that they focus on whoever walks through the door. I would not say they focus on Indians, more that Indian guys are mostly the ones that go there.

[QUOTE=Bang4444;2863118]Visiting Thailand after 15 years. Not sure hows the scene would be compared to 15 Y back. But I am excited.

This time will be in pattaya, spending 3-4 days.

I can't take girl in my hotel (coming with a group for some work).

[/QUOTE]Wait a minute: who the fuck organized a company business trip to, OF ALL PLACES, Pattaya? Give that fool a raise. 555. Meanwhile, MartinFlevo's suggestion is a good one. Rent a decent 3. 5 to 4 star hotel near Walking Street or LK Metro so you can bring all your Go Go & Bar girl pick ups back to your room and none of your straight business associates will know or care.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2863091]I'm confused as pink dress is Kat. Dohhhh I get confused, so many bits of trim, so little time.[/QUOTE]Mai. Has her service got any better? When I got her a 1000, it was a quick 45 minutes session from start to finish, with a 2 min BJ. Complained a bunch about I was banging too hard. Made me slow down as if it was a making love session. Annoying as fuck. I ended pulling off the condom during K9, splooged on her back, and then wiping some of it in her hair. Pretended it was all an accident. Anyways, after COVID her price jumped to 2000. Wonder where it is now since she got her boobs made even bigger and more surgery to her face. Anybody knows?

So did my rounds on Soi 6. Approached 4 different girls on Soi 6, 4 different bars. All 4 quoted 2000 plus 400, drink not required. I did not accept or even counter offer. Just said nope and walked away. Stepped into a bar to cool off. I've taken 3 girls from this bar at a range 1000-1200 plus 400 and 1 drink, on previous trips. Two of them were working. Saw a new one. She approached me first and did the "you want lady" and pointed at the other girls. She was not my waitress. By now, if you don't what that cue means, then figure to out of your own. I told her I just want to boom boom and how much. She said for her 2000 and 400, just like the other 4 girls. I didn't even say anything about "Before I got her for yada yada yada. " I just took out 1200 from my wallet and pointed at the section where all the girls sit when they cat call the guys walking. None of the girls wanted to take the 1200 offer. That's crazy. Some average, fresh out of Eassan looking girl did tell another girl to tell me in English 1500 plus 400. I just paid my bill and walked away. But to see, she was 1000 quality. Throw in the room and it goes to 1900. Nope, no way. Don't feel to sorry for me. I have my private list and table of girls for 1500-2000. That was my fall back plan anyways. Maybe I am just to picky, But I see no value in paying 2400 baht for a Soi 6 girl. Remember guys, ask how much for boom boom first before even buying 1 drink for ANY Soi 6 girl. And you can forget the first few bars on the right hand side as you walk in. They play so much drinking games there. Maybe we need another lock down to put these Thai girls back in their place.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2863071]I don't think like a Hustler.

If a girl gives me 2,000 to pay her Barfine. I get that.

We go out of Bar Lovey Dovey Kissy Kissy. Once we out of Bar I say have a good night.

Where and what is the Hustle?

Who is Zooming who?[/QUOTE]The hustle is not me or you. The hustle is on her own bar. You have to understand how barfines and contracts work. But back to my rant on Soi 6. A girl offering 2000 better be decent looking with anal provided. I am sure everybody knows who this girl is on Soi 6 just by the uniform. 2000 is a bargain for her because it is PSE with anal and ATM swallow. If you don't know. Oh fucking well. Maybe the Chimpoo will do recon for you. Secrets die with me all the time.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2863070]Phuket is more expensive than Pattaya, and has less women.[/QUOTE]True, but Patong, Phuket, has enough women. Other parts of Phuket are beautiful, but some don't have enough P4P women. A massive portion of Pattaya is red light district.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2863221]So did my rounds on Soi 6. Approached 4 different girls on Soi 6, 4 different bars. All 4 quoted 2000 plus 400, drink not required. I did not accept or even counter offer. Just said nope and walked away. Stepped into a bar to cool off. I've taken 3 girls from this bar at a range 1000-1200 plus 400 and 1 drink, on previous trips. Two of them were working. Saw a new one. She approached me first and did the "you want lady" and pointed at the other girls. She was not my waitress. By now, if you don't what that cue means, then figure to out of your own. I told her I just want to boom boom and how much. She said for her 2000 and 400, just like the other 4 girls. I didn't even say anything about "Before I got her for yada yada yada. " I just took out 1200 from my wallet and pointed at the section where all the girls sit when they cat call the guys walking. None of the girls wanted to take the 1200 offer. That's crazy. Some average, fresh out of Eassan looking girl did tell another girl to tell me in English 1500 plus 400. I just paid my bill and walked away. But to see, she was 1000 quality. Throw in the room and it goes to 1900. Nope, no way. Don't feel to sorry for me. I have my private list and table of girls for 1500-2000. That was my fall back plan anyways. Maybe I am just to picky, But I see no value in paying 2400 baht for a Soi 6 girl. Remember guys, ask how much for boom boom first before even buying 1 drink for ANY Soi 6 girl. And you can forget the first few bars on the right hand side as you walk in. They play so much drinking games there. Maybe we need another lock down to put these Thai girls back in their place.[/QUOTE]Maybe high season pricing is kicking in?

I was in Pattaya in early October and was quoted 1 k by many Soi 6 ladies. Funny enough, I didn't take any, I just like making the walk down the soi.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2863194]How do you know he is not Indian? And why would you avoid them because they focus on Indians? My experience is that they focus on whoever walks through the door. I would not say they focus on Indians, more that Indian guys are mostly the ones that go there.[/QUOTE]Indians are known for there 1 second finish. So most Soapy ladies don't want Farang. Too much work. Dick to big. Indian easy money.

Thats what I have been told by a number of ladies.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2863149]Soapys focus on indians these days so would avoid them.[/QUOTE]The girls and soapies don't prefer Indians at all. They have no preference. All the Indians go to the soapies because unlike say a beer or gogo bar Indians can't be rejected in Soapies. Girls must pay the soapies a big fine if they reject a customer.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2863254]The girls and soapies don't prefer Indians at all. They have no preference. All the Indians go to the soapies because unlike say a beer or gogo bar Indians can't be rejected in Soapies. Girls must pay the soapies a big fine if they reject a customer.[/QUOTE]Soapies are expensive. If they are going in groups, they must be getting a discount.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2863212]Mai. Has her service got any better? When I got her a 1000, it was a quick 45 minutes session from start to finish, with a 2 min BJ. Complained a bunch about I was banging too hard. Made me slow down as if it was a making love session. Annoying as fuck. I ended pulling off the condom during K9, splooged on her back, and then wiping some of it in her hair. Pretended it was all an accident. Anyways, after COVID her price jumped to 2000. Wonder where it is now since she got her boobs made even bigger and more surgery to her face. Anybody knows?[/QUOTE]Her price is now 2000.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2863258]Soapies are expensive. If they are going in groups, they must be getting a discount.[/QUOTE]Actually they do get a discount. Just part of a program. Thats why they are being brought to the Soapies with a BUS. I'm not talking single travelers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2863254]The girls and soapies don't prefer Indians at all. They have no preference. All the Indians go to the soapies because unlike say a beer or gogo bar Indians can't be rejected in Soapies. Girls must pay the soapies a big fine if they reject a customer.[/QUOTE]They prefer = easy money = finish fast (soapy chick told me).

And tey go there because its most of the time part of a business trip. Think call center "best 20 performance get a trip to Pattaya. Incl Soapy".

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2863319]Actually they do get a discount. Just part of a program. Thats why they are being brought to the Soapies with a BUS. I'm not talking single travelers.[/QUOTE]The manager told me that they actually pay more. When I tried to get a commission for bringing my friends he told me I am supposed to tell them it costs more than it does then collect the balance.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2863172]We were exceptional, but then we went off the gold standard, and became whiny little bitches.[/QUOTE]"You can't make a buck in this market, the country's goin' to hell faster than when Roosevelt was in charge. Too much cheap money sloshing around the world. The worst mistake we ever made was letting Nixon get off the gold standard."

[QUOTE=Bunky;2863336]"You can't make a buck in this market, the country's goin' to hell faster than when Roosevelt was in charge. Too much cheap money sloshing around the world. The worst mistake we ever made was letting Nixon get off the gold standard."[/QUOTE]LOL.

I used to be able to recite a LOT of that movie by heart. Met Michael Douglas in front of his CPW Co-Op about 15 years ago. He stopped and talked to me about films and TV. Told him I even liked The Streets of San Francisco. Lovely bloke, unlike another certain star from said film.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2862754]Will update as to which were TF, bar girls, FL and / or Agogo, GC.[/QUOTE]Pics 1 and 3 are a lady, Nice from Sapphire, she is very nice, $$ to BF and O / and.

Pic 2 is a lady now in Phuket, Kat, thin spinner with an attitude and a scammer but a great fxck if that all makes sense, no longer on my list.

Pic 4 is a hot ST girl from TF, 2000ST and worth more. Calls herself Jen.

Pic 5 is either that Mai young mate here talks about are a ST girl I got from TF who calls herself, Nana.

Pic 6 is a VERY HOT MILF massage lady from Soi 13/2, name is Pimmor? But she is at Nichawarin Massage on 13/2.

Pic 7 is a dancer / model / coyote (named Baitoey from XS Agogo. Has lots of guys in / around her. Super hot, nice attitude, $$ has a young child and also parties with friends at Republic, this pic (attached) is her at the Hilton. Best sexual experience I've had in TH.

Pic 8 is lovely young hottie from TF, goes by the name of Donut online, just a hot young thang that bangs like a dunny door in a storm.

Pics numbered from left to right, top to bottom.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2863258]Soapies are expensive. If they are going in groups, they must be getting a discount.[/QUOTE]A group of 10 Indians go to a Soapy. 1 goes for a massage that day cause it's his turn. The other 9 sit in prime seats in the soapy ogling at girls for 90 minutes free of charge.

I used to do that. Went with a guy who wanted a session and I just sat there 90 minutes so I could see the entire lineup, sometimes posting live updates. If I saw someone I really liked I went for a session too.

I hear of others being able to pay 1000-1200, but wow! What a place it has turned in to. Specially when we see the same girls offer short time to thaimen on the internet for 800-1000 baht.

Seems like the place has really gone down the drain.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2863221]So did my rounds on Soi 6. Approached 4 different girls on Soi 6, 4 different bars. All 4 quoted 2000 plus 400, drink not required. I did not accept or even counter offer. Just said nope and walked away. Stepped into a bar to cool off. I've taken 3 girls from this bar at a range 1000-1200 plus 400 and 1 drink, on previous trips. Two of them were working. Saw a new one. She approached me first and did the "you want lady" and pointed at the other girls. She was not my waitress. By now, if you don't what that cue means, then figure to out of your own. I told her I just want to boom boom and how much. She said for her 2000 and 400, just like the other 4 girls. I didn't even say anything about "Before I got her for yada yada yada. " I just took out 1200 from my wallet and pointed at the section where all the girls sit when they cat call the guys walking. None of the girls wanted to take the 1200 offer. That's crazy. Some average, fresh out of Eassan looking girl did tell another girl to tell me in English 1500 plus 400. I just paid my bill and walked away. But to see, she was 1000 quality. Throw in the room and it goes to 1900. Nope, no way. Don't feel to sorry for me. I have my private list and table of girls for 1500-2000. That was my fall back plan anyways. Maybe I am just to picky, But I see no value in paying 2400 baht for a Soi 6 girl. Remember guys, ask how much for boom boom first before even buying 1 drink for ANY Soi 6 girl. And you can forget the first few bars on the right hand side as you walk in. They play so much drinking games there. Maybe we need another lock down to put these Thai girls back in their place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2863221]Maybe we need another lock down to put these Thai girls back in their place.[/QUOTE]Lately I finally found one girl in Tree Town that I would want to bring back in my room, a 19 years old girl freshly arrived from Essan.

Her asking price? 3 K ST and 5 K LT (+ 500 barfine).

When even a fresh from the farm girl working in Tree Town is asking these prices, I Wonder if gogo girls didn't also upgrade their prices without we noticing it.

A fellow member said he already pays 7 K for LT, it's not far fetched to think that the next step is ST at 5 K up and LT at 7 K up for all gogo girls (and not 3 K or 5 K anymore).

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2863356]

Pic 7 is a dancer / model / coyote (named Baitoey from XS Agogo. Has lots of guys in / around her. Super hot, nice attitude, $$ has a young child and also parties with friends at Republic, this pic (attached) is her at the Hilton. Best sexual experience I've had in TH.

[/QUOTE]Did you make fun of the tattoo on her stomach? LOL. She gets pissy when I point it out lover and over again. She sells herself 2000ST off-peak hours away from XS BTW. I think most guys know how to get at that. I had her back during COVID for 1000 (2 sessions). Bought her ONE drink later when she first started dancing EVER, working at Pin Up, to thank her for those discounted sessions. She was giddy I pulled her off stage. But then she didn't realize how many girls I already knew in each bar on WS. Ditched her ass after that. Anyways, girls really hate when I point out poorly done or ugly tattoos, or bad nose jobs, bad tit jobs, and those botox Joker lips (see pic below). Honestly, they think I am probably the most rudest customer ever. I've sat with their owners, mamasans, and managers of various clubs and pointed out which girl got fat over the years and pointed to them. Guess there are few guys that can come into a GoGo bar and the girls are intimidated by him. Lucky me to be one of them. I really think the best days of the Gogos (2019) are long gone. Those had the best looking girls and I see only 15-20% of them now that are still same. The rest are long gone, moved on or gained weight with new surgery that makes them unrecognizable.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2863375]A group of 10 Indians go to a Soapy. 1 goes for a massage that day cause it's his turn. The other 9 sit in prime seats in the soapy ogling at girls for 90 minutes free of charge.

I used to do that. Went with a guy who wanted a session and I just sat there 90 minutes so I could see the entire lineup, sometimes posting live updates. If I saw someone I really liked I went for a session too.[/QUOTE]Once I was walking along Coconut bar and saw a group of 5 or 6 Indians, standing in a circle being loud and laughing. When I got near them, I saw they had surrounded one of their own, who had one of those 20 baht bags of cut pineapple, that you can buy from a cart. They each had those long sticks and took turns poking the pineapple pieces in the lone bag to eat. Not sure why they had to high five one another during the process.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2863247]Maybe high season pricing is kicking in?

I was in Pattaya in early October and was quoted 1 k by many Soi 6 ladies. Funny enough, I didn't take any, I just like making the walk down the soi.[/QUOTE]There are definitely 1000 + 400 for the room, girls still available. But you have to understand, in 12 years going to Pattaya, I've taken less than 25 girls from Soi 6 ever. No-one from a GC ever. I am looking for those 1% girls always. I am picky sometimes. If I haven't found one and on my last hour before the Kamagra wears off, I get less picky, but still not paying 1500-2000 plus 400 for average girls. That makes me desperate. Guys who only come here 2 weeks out of the year haven't much a choice. Long stays, we do.

Mint Julips review.

Hello Girls AAAplus.

Full of BBB. Big bad boobs. I've never seen a collection like that ever, one Wave after another.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2863071]I don't think like a Hustler.

If a girl gives me 2,000 to pay her Barfine. I get that.

We go out of Bar Lovey Dovey Kissy Kissy. Once we out of Bar I say have a good night.

Where and what is the Hustle?

Who is Zooming who?[/QUOTE]I believe the hustle ElMex is referring to is a hustle between the girl and the gogo in regards to the work contract. The girl is not hustling the customer.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2863493]Did you make fun of the tattoo on her stomach? LOL. She gets pissy when I point it out lover and over again. She sells herself 2000ST off-peak hours away from XS BTW. I think most guys know how to get at that. I had her back during COVID for 1000 (2 sessions). Bought her ONE drink later when she first started dancing EVER, working at Pin Up, to thank her for those discounted sessions. She was giddy I pulled her off stage. But then she didn't realize how many girls I already knew in each bar on WS. Ditched her ass after that. Anyways, girls really hate when I point out poorly done or ugly tattoos, or bad nose jobs, bad tit jobs, and those botox Joker lips (see pic below). Honestly, they think I am probably the most rudest customer ever. I've sat with their owners, mamasans, and managers of various clubs and pointed out which girl got fat over the years and pointed to them. Guess there are few guys that can come into a GoGo bar and the girls are intimidated by him. Lucky me to be one of them. I really think the best days of the Gogos (2019) are long gone. Those had the best looking girls and I see only 15-20% of them now that are still same. The rest are long gone, moved on or gained weight with new surgery that makes them unrecognizable.[/QUOTE]Loser / Lover tatoo. LOL. She has a few Sugar Daddies, dude calls himself mattyforever or something is there ATM. She sent me pics and her IG account details. I paid her more than 2000 Bht away from XS for sessions over 2 days recently. Poor thing is messed in the noggin though.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2863501]There are definitely 1000 + 400 for the room, girls still available. But you have to understand, in 12 years going to Pattaya, I've taken less than 25 girls from Soi 6 ever. No-one from a GC ever. I am looking for those 1% girls always. I am picky sometimes. If I haven't found one and on my last hour before the Kamagra wears off, I get less picky, but still not paying 1500-2000 plus 400 for average girls. That makes me desperate. Guys who only come here 2 weeks out of the year haven't much a choice. Long stays, we do.[/QUOTE]I have seen this increasing price trend in developing world, even 3rd world WG markets for sometime. Morocco was around 400-500 Dh or US $40 max now they all want double or quadruple that, Hungary used to be $30-$50ST now its US $100 or Euros by a lot of WG or even 200 Euros for model types, Ukraine same, Colombia same, even parts of Mexico FFS. So in Thailand the 1 k ST in Thermae (Bangkok) etc is now 3 k. They can all sod off mate but I did pay for Baitoey and a few others in Pattaya because I was bored, disillusioned with many of the TF no shows or attitudes and frankly stunned that in almost empty bar after bar on Soi 6, that owners want such big BF and WG wanted 2 k minimums,. Like they're all part of a flipping union. ,. So AFAIC the bars may end up learning the hard way by going busto. WG who knows or cares.

I did do well in the 13/1 and 13/2 massage parlors and have 3 MILFS 30-40 who I'll just take out after work and spend some loot on them as they do WORK HARD for it, girls like Pimmie, Nan and co at Nichawarin etc (if you know).

I am now going to go the street girl and Ocean Rd route when I return to Pattaya next month, which will be more excilerating and dangerous, LB spotter better be working or I'll get embarrased back at the hotel. I'll spend $ at sports bars and doing other things.

I do like a club called Stunners which is a GC I think you call it. Good vibe and not pushy and intimate. I'll spend bigger $ there if I feel good.

YMMV and as always newbies RTFF.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2862754]Will update as to which were TF, bar girls, FL and / or Agogo, GC.[/QUOTE]Bravo, Mr. Belvaros! Yes, do tell!

[QUOTE=Allover;2863613]I believe the hustle ElMex is referring to is a hustle between the girl and the gogo in regards to the work contract. The girl is not hustling the customer.[/QUOTE]I kind of figured that. I was hoping he would let it all hang out.

Thai Scamming Thais is not Uncommon.

I had a lady in my condo who has a sponsor who gives her 300,000 baht a month. She drank a bottle of vodka, got naked, but I declined any action. She wanted to go to a bar, she paid for the taxi, and in the bar, rang the bell 4 times.

I am normally okay with fucking ladies with idiot sponsors, but this was too much money for her to lose, and karma is a *.

Sat. Pm.

If you go by activity on the Beach Pattaya is Busy. It's a Miracle.

These special events do draw a lot of Thais.

I am an expat living in Pattaya and I have read some of the posts here on prices. 1000-2000ST is the common prices being asked for. Not including the room if in the bar. Soi 6 is 1500, gents clubs are 1000-1500, and Thai Friendly freelancers are 1000-2500ST. I don't understand what all the morning is about. Yes there are the odd girls asking for more, but so what. Inflation. I never understand the guys that come to Pattaya and think the prices should never go up and what they paid 5 years ago should be the same they pay today. Sup complaining and just have fun.

Of course there is walking street and LK metro where the girls in the go go bars will ask more. So be it.

If I had to guess, most of the guys in this forum have been miners for years. Not easy to accept the price increases due to inflation. My advice to you guys is to do the gent club circuit. The gents clubs cater to the expats and are very affordable. Drinks are cheap, bar fines cheap, and ST prices are 1000-1500. Some notable choices are Maggie Mays on Soi Pothole, Club fate on Soi Boomerang, Cat Flaps in Patunmank, Heaven Above, Kinereee, Purple Gents Club and so on. Many located on Soi Boncot, spelling wrong. These places are very relaxed. No pressure to oder lady drinks and often action goes on right in the bars.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2863705]I had a lady in my condo who has a sponsor who gives her 300,000 baht a month. She drank a bottle of vodka, got naked, but I declined any action. She wanted to go to a bar, she paid for the taxi, and in the bar, rang the bell 4 times.

I am normally okay with fucking ladies with idiot sponsors, but this was too much money for her to lose, and karma is a *.[/QUOTE]This won't last long. She will not save penny of it and when the sponsors stops, she will be back to 1000 Sts LOL. I've seen it many times before. You should have gone for the freebee.

Final Chapter or not.

Soi 6 closed Sunday and heading to BKK.

Was drinking a beer on one of the bars near beach road. A nice small girl that looked decent caught my eye. Apparently I didn't catch hers. No contact whatsoever but a girl with a Larger Nose took a liking to me. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2863776]If I had to guess, most of the guys in this forum have been miners for years. Not easy to accept the price increases due to inflation. My advice to you guys is to do the gent club circuit. The gents clubs cater to the expats and are very affordable. Drinks are cheap, bar fines cheap, and ST prices are 1000-1500. Some notable choices are Maggie Mays on Soi Pothole, Club fate on Soi Boomerang, Cat Flaps in Patunmank, Heaven Above, Kinereee, Purple Gents Club and so on. Many located on Soi Boncot, spelling wrong. These places are very relaxed. No pressure to oder lady drinks and often action goes on right in the bars.[/QUOTE]This topic has been Covered. Cheap expats equals Firgettabboutit for the Majority of us.

Not hating. Different demographics for different Folks.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2863764]Sat. Pm.

If you go by activity on the Beach Pattaya is Busy. It's a Miracle.

These special events do draw a lot of Thais.[/QUOTE]Beach Road Bikini Run today. Always packed! One of the best events Pattaya offers.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2863705]I had a lady in my condo who has a sponsor who gives her 300,000 baht a month.[/QUOTE]

Why is she even working? $8,300 US net per month is likely more than what half the guys on this board make!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2863773]I am an expat living in Pattaya and I have read some of the posts here on prices. 1000-2000ST is the common prices being asked for. Not including the room if in the bar. Soi 6 is 1500, gents clubs are 1000-1500, and Thai Friendly freelancers are 1000-2500ST. I don't understand what all the morning is about. Yes there are the odd girls asking for more, but so what. Inflation. I never understand the guys that come to Pattaya and think the prices should never go up and what they paid 5 years ago should be the same they pay today. Sup complaining and just have fun.

Of course there is walking street and LK metro where the girls in the go go bars will ask more. So be it.[/QUOTE]I agree. Guys think that the price they paid 5 or even 10 years ago should still be the price they paid now. But like everything else, inflation causes prices to go up and an increase from the price you paid 5 or 10 years ago is not crazy. Some guys get obsessed with a price point that they paid years ago and think that it should be the going rate but no one rings a bell when the going rate goes up and the going rate is not the going rate forever. Prices go up and you have to adjust rather than whine about it all day and night.

Note that your salary also goes up over time and so you have more money too over the years (hopefully).

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2863773]I am an expat living in Pattaya and I have read some of the posts here on prices. 1000-2000ST is the common prices being asked for. Not including the room if in the bar. Soi 6 is 1500, gents clubs are 1000-1500, and Thai Friendly freelancers are 1000-2500ST. I don't understand what all the morning is about. Yes there are the odd girls asking for more, but so what. Inflation. I never understand the guys that come to Pattaya and think the prices should never go up and what they paid 5 years ago should be the same they pay today. Sup complaining and just have fun.

Of course there is walking street and LK metro where the girls in the go go bars will ask more. So be it.[/QUOTE]The pricing you mention was my experience this past Sept / Oct in Pattaya, so I agree with you and don't understand the commenters complaining about pricing.

And as I have been saying, once the world economy collapses into a recession, most ladies will be begging for 1 k ST and it will be easy to get ST for around 700-800 baht. Mark my words. Inflation will lead to deflation in the pussy market.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2863802].....Why is she even working? $8,300 US net per month is likely more than what half the guys on this board make![/QUOTE]Even though she's getting money she still needs the honey.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2863773]I am an expat living in Pattaya and I have read some of the posts here on prices. 1000-2000ST is the common prices being asked for. Not including the room if in the bar. Soi 6 is 1500, gents clubs are 1000-1500, and Thai Friendly freelancers are 1000-2500ST. I don't understand what all the morning is about. Yes there are the odd girls asking for more, but so what. Inflation. I never understand the guys that come to Pattaya and think the prices should never go up and what they paid 5 years ago should be the same they pay today. Sup complaining and just have fun.[/QUOTE]It's normal you don't get what we are talking about when you were already paying 5 K LT in May 2021.

We're talking increase of 50 to 100% in price in less than a year. Last year in November 2022 I could have every girl I wanted for 1 K ST.

In May 2023, I could still get all I wanted for 1 K but a few girls were asking for more, some of them wouldn't budge from 2 K.

This month, I could get a few in the first week but it's been a while I didn't met any girl ready to go below 1,5 K.

Lately, I agree with Mr Mexican, I also met plenty asking 2 K and being firm.

I still find some occasional very good girl for 1,5 K but it's getting a lot harder than before.

You call this complaining, I'd rather say we're informing or comparing to see if other members are being quoted same prices or not.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2863815]I agree. Guys think that the price they paid 5 or even 10 years ago should still be the price they paid now.[/QUOTE]Just change the word years to month and you'll get what we're talking about.

50 to 100 % price increase in just a few months.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2863802]Why is she even working? $8,300 US net per month is likely more than what half the guys on this board make![/QUOTE]She's not working, just enjoying life, spending 300,000 baht a month on drinking.

This gents club in a little bit out of the way but it well worth it. It's huge. Curtain areas for naughty times. Pool table. Free lasagna, free smoked brisket and finally a great mix of ladies. 1000ST from 300 for the room. A few of the girls will ask 1500. Lady drinks 150 baht but if you buy a wrack of shots the girl will get 6 instead of 5 for 799 baht. My most recent chosen companion was Pop.

Windmill lady drink prices are now 260 baht. Higher than the models at other clubs. Nobody confuses Windmill girls with Pin Up models. Before at Windmill, they were 180. So people telling me cost of living went up 30%? And if you are a girl on Soi 6, 2000 would make it 100% pre CoVid increase. Bronx Pizza is now 80 for 1 slice, 140 for 2. Before, they were 70 and 125. So 12% is more like inflation and reasonable. Don't confuse the sex entertainment business with basic economy and everyday life. Especially, when there is still 89 baht draft beer at Baccara and the upstairs never did reopen again. I would say, the lack of spending is the reason why prices have inflated. Girls and staff are responsible to make their own money. Hell, even the security guys all have number badges like the dancers and expected to get their tips and drink quotas met to meet the salary.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2863901]Windmill lady drink prices are now 260 baht. Higher than the models at other clubs. Nobody confuses Windmill girls with Pin Up models. Before at Windmill, they were 180. So people telling me cost of living went up 30%? And if you are a girl on Soi 6, 2000 would make it 100% pre CoVid increase. Bronx Pizza is now 80 for 1 slice, 140 for 2. Before, they were 70 and 125. So 12% is more like inflation and reasonable. Don't confuse the sex entertainment business with basic economy and everyday life. Especially, when there is still 89 baht draft beer at Baccara and the upstairs never did reopen again. I would say, the lack of spending is the reason why prices have inflated. Girls and staff are responsible to make their own money. Hell, even the security guys all have number badges like the dancers and expected to get their tips and drink quotas met to meet the salary.[/QUOTE]2 guys do confuse Windmill girls to the Better Looking Palace Girls.

Notice I didn't say Pin Ups. ,. LOL.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2863901]Windmill lady drink prices are now 260 baht. Higher than the models at other clubs. Nobody confuses Windmill girls with Pin Up models. Before at Windmill, they were 180. So people telling me cost of living went up 30%? And if you are a girl on Soi 6, 2000 would make it 100% pre CoVid increase. Bronx Pizza is now 80 for 1 slice, 140 for 2. Before, they were 70 and 125. So 12% is more like inflation and reasonable. Don't confuse the sex entertainment business with basic economy and everyday life. Especially, when there is still 89 baht draft beer at Baccara and the upstairs never did reopen again. I would say, the lack of spending is the reason why prices have inflated. Girls and staff are responsible to make their own money. Hell, even the security guys all have number badges like the dancers and expected to get their tips and drink quotas met to meet the salary.[/QUOTE]I've said it before Lots of Barfine makes everyone Happy. Rainbow Nana watch as a girl gets a Barfine. They slipping chits to the Waitstaff or Security,. Tips all around.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2863901]Windmill lady drink prices are now 260 baht. Higher than the models at other clubs.[/QUOTE]I sometimes go in Windmill to have a drink.

Last trip in May there was a girl I bought LDs for, price was around 200 as you said (that girl is not here anymore).

At 260 bahts, I won't buy anymore, thanks for that piece of information.

Exactly.

I used to put a lot of accurate info regularly on this website and find some arrogant supposed expert posting horse manure and after reviewing said horse's info found all of their posts to be Argumentative, irrelevant or made up.

You are 100% correct sir but like my argumentative mates on BKK forum who provide little and the dude you quoted I see little value in posting anything here again. Time to disappear for a few years.

AGAIN.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2863836]It's normal you don't get what we are talking about when you were already paying 5 K LT in May 2021.

We're talking increase of 50 to 100% in price in less than a year. Last year in November 2022 I could have every girl I wanted for 1 K ST.

In May 2023, I could still get all I wanted for 1 K but a few girls were asking for more, some of them wouldn't budge from 2 K.

This month, I could get a few in the first week but it's been a while I didn't met any girl ready to go below 1,5 K.

Lately, I agree with Mr Mexican, I also met plenty asking 2 K and being firm.

I still find some occasional very good girl for 1,5 K but it's getting a lot harder than before.

You call this complaining, I'd rather say we're informing or comparing to see if other members are being quoted same prices or not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2863836]It's normal you don't get what we are talking about when you were already paying 5 K LT in May 2021.

We're talking increase of 50 to 100% in price in less than a year. Last year in November 2022 I could have every girl I wanted for 1 K ST.

In May 2023, I could still get all I wanted for 1 K but a few girls were asking for more, some of them wouldn't budge from 2 K.

This month, I could get a few in the first week but it's been a while I didn't met any girl ready to go below 1,5 K.

Lately, I agree with Mr Mexican, I also met plenty asking 2 K and being firm.

I still find some occasional very good girl for 1,5 K but it's getting a lot harder than before.

You call this complaining, I'd rather say we're informing or comparing to see if other members are being quoted same prices or not.[/QUOTE]These cats on here talking about inflation as being the cause sound like a bunch of bar owners or managers trying to make up shit, in order to justify the price increases. They act as if most of us are uneducated like the girls and staff who work their bars. Geez, fresh coconut is still 50 baht. Price of Pier 21 two curries selection and rice is still 35 baht. Smoothies are still 30 baht. Watermelon on the cart is still 20 baht. Thai economic growth for 2023 is just 2. 7% and that's the reason there are 2500-3000 baht girls on Soi 6? Gots to be kidding me. Let me explain, their business model since they want to come on ISG and try to act silly.

The demand is low and guys are NOT spending like they used to. Supply is the same, maybe a tad less with Happy, Beach, Baccara upstairs, all gone. Are there new clubs? Yes, but the just filled the spots of clubs that were there before. You have to look at the real estate that didn't get filled up and replaced. So I would say, the inventory number of girls is almost the same as pre-COVID. So if the customers (tourists) are the same amount before COVID, the inventory supply (girls) are nearly the same as before COVID, then why the higher prices on everything? It's the DEMAND. Guys are spending less, so in order to attract the girls, higher salaries are being offered. But those salaries are only paid with higher drinks prices. A girl's salary always matches her drinks' quota and barfines. Guys not willing to splurge 260 for a lady drink, then get a higher barfine and take out rate in order to meet their high salary being paid by the bar. So basically girls are there to sell the liquor inventory for the bar, they keep their lady drinks and the bar makes money off customer drinks and any dumbass girl who does' t have enough money to cover her quota deficit. Smart ones fill in the missing quotas out of their own pockets because they get it all back, rolled into their salaries.

So there goes that whole inflation mumbo jumbo talk. Remember 10 baht bus is still only 10 baht. Soi Honey girls are still banging for 1000-1200, doesn't inflation affect them? Bars changed up their business model because less and less guys are barfing and spending at the bars. Instead we / they / us are making side deals to counteract all of this price increase and totally cut out the bars / middleman / pimps / mamasans etc. Case in point, Fahreinheit model I met while going to the bathroom visited me after her shift last night for 2500 flat for ST. If you are cool, they will connect you with other girls they dance with, looking to make a quick buck during off-peak hours. If you are a gnarly with bad habits and presentation, don't press your luck.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2863877]This gents club in a little bit out of the way but it well worth it. It's huge. Curtain areas for naughty times. Pool table. Free lasagna, free smoked brisket and finally a great mix of ladies. 1000ST from 300 for the room. A few of the girls will ask 1500. Lady drinks 150 baht but if you buy a wrack of shots the girl will get 6 instead of 5 for 799 baht. My most recent chosen companion was Pop.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I went last night.

Decent number of ladies and customers. Had one young guy, so multiple ladies were sitting with him (no drinks).

Some ladies walking around topless, housewife types.

The only thing that bothered me were the drunks guys picking ladies up and carrying them around.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2863877]This gents club in a little bit out of the way but it well worth it. It's huge. Curtain areas for naughty times. Pool table. Free lasagna, free smoked brisket and finally a great mix of ladies. 1000ST from 300 for the room. A few of the girls will ask 1500. Lady drinks 150 baht but if you buy a wrack of shots the girl will get 6 instead of 5 for 799 baht. My most recent chosen companion was Pop.[/QUOTE]Jesus Christ! You mean these bitches here in the Cat Flaps pic are really asking for 1300-1800 total plus a drink or two? Which puts everything all more closer to 1500-2000 for ST? A rack of shots is like 65-100 calories per shot. Guys need to quit trying to make these girls fatter and unhealthy. Look at their arms already FFS! Plus 3500 calories is = to 1 LB. Coke Zero all the way. Geez Louise, let me stick to the 1500 TF girls like the one pictured to come to my room.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2863993]Yeah, I went last night.

Decent number of ladies and customers. Had one young guy, so multiple ladies were sitting with him (no drinks).

Some ladies walking around topless, housewife types.

The only thing that bothered me were the drunks guys picking ladies up and carrying them around.[/QUOTE]Housewife types. LOL.

Do you mean wife types. Not interested vibes?

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2864026]Jesus Christ! You mean these bitches here in the Cat Flaps pic are really asking for 1300-1800 total plus a drink or two? Which puts everything all more closer to 1500-2000 for ST? A rack of shots is like 65-100 calories per shot. Guys need to quit trying to make these girls fatter and unhealthy. Look at their arms already FFS! Plus 3500 calories is = to 1 LB. Coke Zero all the way. Geez Louise, let me stick to the 1500 TF girls like the one pictured to come to my room.[/QUOTE]TF, beach road ladies and meeting ladies randomly during the day are the best value in Pattaya. The commenters that keep pushing GCs as being cheap seem to not include the price of their drinks, lady drinks and room price as a part of the ST price. Me, I count that all as the price of ST. So, to get one ST session at a GC, you're spending at least 1,600 thb for the ST session. Not bad but not that cheap either when you can easily get 1,000-,1,300 thb ST off TF and Beach Road. If the guys running the GCs want a real uptick in business, either waive the ST room fee or make it 800 thb to the ladies for ST. Just my two cents.

I haven't been to many GCs but for the most part the ladies are average looking. Soi Bongkot was mentioned in a recenr post, there is was not a single average or above looking lady at the Soi Bongkot bars when I was there in September.

She is a straight 7 for me and at 1300 well worth it. How was her service. Oh god I miss Pattaya badly.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2863877]This gents club in a little bit out of the way but it well worth it. It's huge. Curtain areas for naughty times. Pool table. Free lasagna, free smoked brisket and finally a great mix of ladies. 1000ST from 300 for the room. A few of the girls will ask 1500. Lady drinks 150 baht but if you buy a wrack of shots the girl will get 6 instead of 5 for 799 baht. My most recent chosen companion was Pop.[/QUOTE]

I had a lady ask to come to my condo a few days ago (asking to come today). Yesterday, she asked me "you not want I bring another lady? Which is bargirl for "you want me to bring another lady? She wanted another lady because she can take a cut from the other lady.

I told her that I didn't want another lady, which ensured that the first lady wouldn't show up today.

Okay with me, it frees up my afternoon.

The point is that ladies often want the customer to entertain a second lady. Anywhere from "buy my friend a drink", which accrues benefits, direct or indirect to the first lady, to going to the room for twice the money, half the work.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2864105]

I haven't been to many GCs but for the most part the ladies are average looking. Soi Bongkot was mentioned in a recenr post, there is was not a single average or above looking lady at the Soi Bongkot bars when I was there in September.[/QUOTE]Not everyone is a cheap charlie. GC's have a different business model. Focus on different customers. Complain its too expensive. Go for an alternative.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2864026]Geez Louise, let me stick to the 1500 TF girls like the one pictured to come to my room.[/QUOTE]I don't fall in love with hookers but I do regard breakfast as the most important meal of the day. What's a typical TF rate to stay till morning and get rid of morning wood?

I've never had any luck waking the dead to get a girl to come over before lunchtime. Similarly no Coconut Bar girls seems keen to stay more than an hour or two.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2864273]I don't fall in love with hookers but I do regard breakfast as the most important meal of the day. What's a typical TF rate to stay till morning and get rid of morning wood?

I've never had any luck waking the dead to get a girl to come over before lunchtime. Similarly no Coconut Bar girls seems keen to stay more than an hour or two.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I've never done LT since early 2020, so I couldn't tell you. And that was GoGo bar girls, 5000 LT rate.

For anybody that is on the ground here and now, Monday afternoon and evening was the price EQUALIZER. If you are in Pattaya, you know exactly what I mean. I was able to land 2 girls from Soi 6, who previously wanted 2000 and 2500, for only 1200 and 1500. They budged today. Like I said, there are plenty of ways around having to pay those high prices. Paying attention to the weather is just one of them. Either suck my dick and let me poke you for some ducketts or sit there watching the rain like a fool. Sometimes pouring rain is a perfect trap to turn ST into a LT or second shot for next to nothing or free. I don't recommend this tactic for WS GoGos though, they will pressure you to buy drinks even more when it's pouring rain and you can't leave. If you aren't a regular or well known, they will even make you wait outside if you stop buying drinks every 15 minutes. And if the PR girls fill up the canopy section to protect themselves from the rain, they will throw you onto the street to get wet. Cut throat fuckers!

I would never understand these Thais. They see the dark clouds. They see the lighting on the horizon. The weather forecast says 100%. Radar shows red coming this way. And they still continue to with normal business instead of preparing for heavy rain. Then when the rain begins to pour, they all run around like chaos happening. I asked girl why don't they think ahead. She told me they prayed and laid out food blessings ahead of time to prevent bad weather and bring good luck. Just as bad as paying toothless and homeless looking street fortune tellers to bring you good luck. Missing the obvious there. Superstitious fools. LOL.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2864263]Not everyone is a cheap charlie. GC's have a different business model. Focus on different customers. Complain its too expensive. Go for an alternative.[/QUOTE]Gents Clubs are being hyped, as good value. The guy just reported the fact that quality is low and thus some of us, think they are poor value compared to the alternatives. If you know one that is currently great, feel free to share.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2864308]. Paying attention to the weather is just one of them. Either suck my dick and let me poke you for some ducketts or sit there watching the rain like a fool. Sometimes pouring rain is a perfect trap to turn ST into a LT or second shot for next to nothing or free. I don't recommend this tactic for WS GoGos though, they will pressure you to buy drinks even more when it's pouring rain and you can't leave. If you aren't a regular or well known, they will even make you wait outside if you stop buying drinks every 15 minutes. [/QUOTE]So true about the gogo bars. Luckily I'm a regular at many of the Walking Street bars so I can just run in and plop my ass down until it stops raining with no drink buying pressure.

Lower Soi 6 pricing on rainy days is accurate as well. Lots of guys like to go during so called High Season then come on here complaining girls charge too much. Not sure what they were expecting. That's why going from mid May to end of October is the best time to go. It's so called Low Season but it's us who have the upper hand if you know what you're doing.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2864026]Jesus Christ! You mean these bitches here in the Cat Flaps pic are really asking for 1300-1800 total plus a drink or two? Which puts everything all more closer to 1500-2000 for ST? A rack of shots is like 65-100 calories per shot. Guys need to quit trying to make these girls fatter and unhealthy. Look at their arms already FFS! Plus 3500 calories is = to 1 LB. Coke Zero all the way. Geez Louise, let me stick to the 1500 TF girls like the one pictured to come to my room.[/QUOTE]You are missing the plot mate. To each their own though.

[QUOTE=StevePtt;2864332]Gents Clubs are being hyped, as good value. The guy just reported the fact that quality is low and thus some of us, think they are poor value compared to the alternatives.[/QUOTE]Hyped how? You have to define your reason for going to a place. Is your sole reason because you want to see the most beautiful women alive? Is your reason to go have a good time and hang out with some chicks that are pretty decent? Is your reason to eat lunch and get your dick sucked by a chick for the next 30 minutes while your food digests? Depends on what you are after when speaking of the value of something. Of course different people put a different value on the same thing.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2864406]So true about the gogo bars. Luckily I'm a regular at many of the Walking Street bars so I can just run in and plop my ass down until it stops raining with no drink buying pressure.

Lower Soi 6 pricing on rainy days is accurate as well. Lots of guys like to go during so called High Season then come on here complaining girls charge too much. Not sure what they were expecting. That's why going from mid May to end of October is the best time to go. It's so called Low Season but it's us who have the upper hand if you know what you're doing.[/QUOTE]I'm back home now but the only Soi 6 chick on my Line texts me weekly for ST for $1 k thb in my room before work she goes to work; I don't bother telling her I'm not in Pattaya. The ST with her is borderline LT as she ends up staying and getting ready in my room for her Soi 6 day. A couple of hours of companionship with two pops for 1 k thb is not bad at all, beats sitting at a GC wasting money on drinks haha.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2864406]So true about the gogo bars. Luckily I'm a regular at many of the Walking Street bars so I can just run in and plop my ass down until it stops raining with no drink buying pressure.

Lower Soi 6 pricing on rainy days is accurate as well. Lots of guys like to go during so called High Season then come on here complaining girls charge too much. Not sure what they were expecting. That's why going from mid May to end of October is the best time to go. It's so called Low Season but it's us who have the upper hand if you know what you're doing.[/QUOTE]I don't care how much game you got. Girls still unattractive.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2864263]Not everyone is a cheap charlie. GC's have a different business model. Focus on different customers. Complain its too expensive. Go for an alternative.[/QUOTE]I find the GCs have better deals then even the bars on many occasions. Drinks specials, buy 1 lady drink get something free, buy 3 ladydrinks and get a ST barfine free etc.

12 Oct - 26 Oct Trip.

I like some of the GCs like Stunners, Maggie Mays, Buzzin etc over most Agogos except maybe Windmill + Sapphire, and the bars, but I still frequent all types.

I tried a few street FLs from the beach road with success (and several failures) but at 1200-1700 giving them the option to stay at The Hilton and sometimes life is a charm. I picked up a sweet little spinner near the Hard Rock. She explained via Bard that she was here with a Farang who kind of ditched her. She is normally a FL in Bangkok near Nana (will try her out again when back in BKK). I gave her 2000 for all night plus breakfast, lunch, drinks and a new bikini and helped her get back to Bangkok, girl had eff all money on her (sure mate). Lovely miss, great BBBJ, covered FS, 69, DFK, really nice shower massage and spa massage. Really interested WG with a dazzling smile and enthusiastic personna.

I tried talking to the ladies at normal bars and sports bars etc with zero success. Maybe young players can find an angle there.

TF. Met and serviced by 3 massage girls, 2 on site and 1 as a LT free-lancer option. All 3 are busty and in the 32-40 year age range, great toucher's of one's parts. One girl gave me a 15 minute hand massage, started licking my fingers, then one handed massaged my neck and head and groped me for a few minutes and I had the most epic O I've had this year. Remarkable.

Each lady here is 32-40 years old.

[QUOTE=StevePtt;2864332]Gents Clubs are being hyped, as good value. The guy just reported the fact that quality is low and thus some of us, think they are poor value compared to the alternatives. If you know one that is currently great, feel free to share.[/QUOTE]The point of a Gentlemen's Club is not that they are cheap, but that they are a different experience than the traditional open bars that formerly predominated in Pattaya.

Ladies will walk around naked in a GC, whereas they play Connect4 in an open bar.

Girl is "Nice" from Sapphire, speaks barely any English but she is genuinely excited by any paying client at the Agogo and afterwards.

Gogo nos is 347, Nice. She says she is a Coyote but IMHO what's the diff?

I met her on Thai Friendly and visited her a night later at the club and for a few other occasions. I really like her, she hasn't got that hard attitude (yet) that some Agogo ladies have.

The 2nd and 3rd pics are videos she sent me but I couldn't upload them so just put up the pic screenshot.

She will entice you to Sapphire rather than go for just ST / LT and is rather hesitant but once comfortable will be BF, then later just meet on her own time. She is a right full on LBFM with only A levels off the table and obviously no BBFS.

YMMV.

The ladies complain there are no customers. I ask how much they charge for Short Time, and they say 3000 baht.

Duhhh.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2864105]TF, beach road ladies and meeting ladies randomly during the day are the best value in Pattaya. The commenters that keep pushing GCs as being cheap seem to not include the price of their drinks, lady drinks and room price as a part of the ST price. Me, I count that all as the price of ST. So, to get one ST session at a GC, you're spending at least 1,600 thb for the ST session. Not bad but not that cheap either when you can easily get 1,000-,1,300 thb ST off TF and Beach Road. If the guys running the GCs want a real uptick in business, either waive the ST room fee or make it 800 thb to the ladies for ST. Just my two cents.

I haven't been to many GCs but for the most part the ladies are average looking. Soi Bongkot was mentioned in a recenr post, there is was not a single average or above looking lady at the Soi Bongkot bars when I was there in September.[/QUOTE]Fair call m8. I like the beach FL. Seems more real and exciting to me. I like a few of the GC and will return to Stunners as it has a smaller more intimate vibe but I only did a few drinks there and bye byes.

Going for more street FL, reminds me of my days in Berlin trying street urchins in and around central. Hits and misses and some phonebox BBBJs. More exciting that Artemis FKK etc.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2864492]The ladies complain there are no customers. I ask how much they charge for Short Time, and they say 3000 baht.

Duhhh.[/QUOTE]I'd give her a PASS on this one.

Customers are few and far Between, even at Palace Station-. Prime time lots of open seats available.

Last few days just observing on the 6th Soi. Not a whole lot of Customers of any kind.

[URL]https://youtu.be/L_naWu6NX0o?si=cenMD-7taHfB4_ll[/URL]

Representative of ladies in a Gentlemens' Club. Some are frequent visitors to my condo.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2864484]Each lady here is 32-40 years old.[/QUOTE]Great job, Mr. Be.

Can I go to a gentleman's club and only spend 600 or 700 baht and grope a bit and not be a cheap Charlie? Not asking for sex but more just a few beers and a few gropes and a couple Lady drinks?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2864489]The point of a Gentlemen's Club is not that they are cheap, but that they are a different experience than the traditional open bars that formerly predominated in Pattaya.

Ladies will walk around naked in a GC, whereas they play Connect4 in an open bar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2864567]Can I go to a gentleman's club and only spend 600 or 700 baht and grope a bit and not be a cheap Charlie? Not asking for sex but more just a few beers and a few gropes and a couple Lady drinks?[/QUOTE]Yes. A lot of guys who go to GCs don't always take a girl up to the room.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2864544][URL]https://youtu.be/L_naWu6NX0o?si=cenMD-7taHfB4_ll[/URL]

Representative of ladies in a Gentlemens' Club. Some are frequent visitors to my condo.[/QUOTE]You need to be specific Which Ones go for 2 k long time. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2864567]Can I go to a gentleman's club and only spend 600 or 700 baht and grope a bit and not be a cheap Charlie? Not asking for sex but more just a few beers and a few gropes and a couple Lady drinks?[/QUOTE]Definitely. Like EA said most guys don't go to GC's to go to rooms. They go to GC's to do exactly what you're asking. DFK and mutual groping including a HJ for cheap drinks and on certain days free food. Girls aren't pushy for drinks so each lady drink should last you nearly 30 minutes. Cheap fun on a hot afternoon imo. The downside is that you may have to go to a few places before you find a girl you like. You may strike out completely as some guys post on here but on some days you may find 2 or 3 girls you like. Timing is everything. Just walk in and around then back out if you don't see anyone available. Same as gogo bars. That's why I prefer Kinnaree and Passion cause they will always have the most girls.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2864544][URL]https://youtu.be/L_naWu6NX0o?si=cenMD-7taHfB4_ll[/URL]

Representative of ladies in a Gentlemens' Club. Some are frequent visitors to my condo.[/QUOTE]

Only one I may consider is the busty one in the blue dress who holds the door open at the video intro. She'd be worth a drink so I can strip her down in the bar. Good DFK?

Scanned the video. I laughed when the old lady said "I like old men, 70 and up". Typical Thai girl who says EXACTLY what her customers want to hear.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2864544][URL]https://youtu.be/L_naWu6NX0o?si=cenMD-7taHfB4_ll[/URL]

Representative of ladies in a Gentlemens' Club. Some are frequent visitors to my condo.[/QUOTE]Thats bargain basement crowd.

Wouldn't touch any of them for even free.

If you talking GCs, I was in Phuket this month. The girls in Harem, Suzy Wong were stunning, as they should be in a GC. And yes it was full access for a couple of ladies drink. And the DJ was good.

One man's "stunner" is another man's 5-6 . From the videos I see of soi 6 those girls are way frekkin hot.

[QUOTE=DrainMaker;2864729]Thats bargain basement crowd.

Wouldn't touch any of them for even free.

If you talking GCs, I was in Phuket this month. The girls in Harem, Suzy Wong were stunning, as they should be in a GC. And yes it was full access for a couple of ladies drink. And the DJ was good.[/QUOTE]The 2 in the back are what I imagined Explorer goes for.

Sherlock Holmes in me. They are not 3,000 short time girls. Explorer pays 2,000 long time.

Connect the dots People.

I'm not Hating. People in Thier mom's basement s in Iowa want to know what lower end ladies look like. I have a Friend.

It's a Struggle he thinks Beach Road 1,000 girls are Jennifer Anniston in Bikini in her Prime.

[QUOTE=DrainMaker;2864729]Thats bargain basement crowd.

Wouldn't touch any of them for even free.

If you talking GCs, I was in Phuket this month. The girls in Harem, Suzy Wong were stunning, as they should be in a GC. And yes it was full access for a couple of ladies drink. And the DJ was good.[/QUOTE]Susie Wong is a gogo. How much to take a lady home with you?

[QUOTE=Algocreeper4;2864750]One man's "stunner" is another man's 5-6 . From the videos I see of soi 6 those girls are way frekkin hot.[/QUOTE]Amen mate, I'm here in HK, been back a week and it is depressing, US $300+ quotes from 4-5's that I wouldn't touch.

Heading back to Pattaya next week, many new faces on Thai Friendly and getting 1500ST qoutes from some now and 3000 LT. Girl who contacted me I've never seen before but she has a solid 8 face and am awaiting body pics. I've told several of the 2-3 k ST club that they're clearly missing the market and I expect sub 2 k. Some tell me to piss off. Others are dropping prices already as more and more newbies hit Pattaya etc.

YMMV.

Lady pic is active on TF and does A levels. See att.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2864791]The 2 in the back are what I imagined Explorer goes for.

Sherlock Holmes in me. They are not 3,000 short time girls. Explorer pays 2,000 long time.

Connect the dots People.

I'm not Hating. People in Thier mom's basement s in Iowa want to know what lower end ladies look like. I have a Friend.

It's a Struggle he thinks Beach Road 1,000 girls are Jennifer Anniston in Bikini in her Prime.[/QUOTE]It's all relative. And some ladies don't photograph well.

I can tell you that some of the Maggie Mays ladies in the video aren't in the bar much because they are constantly barfined.

So, your tastes are not universally shared.

And no, these are not the ladies quoting 3,000 baht.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2864796]Susie Wong is a gogo. How much to take a lady home with you?[/QUOTE]Yes, I was told by the manager that I can BF, but its between me and the girl. Same in Harem. I asked a few girls but none were keen. The setting in Harem is more suitable for a lapdance and the rest. Mind you this in Phuket.

I did manage to BF a couple of stunning parttimers from Oscar for 1 k and 3 k ST The first thing she did was feed her number in my phone, and happy to see me the next day. The girls were not the typical go go girls, full time models and sugarbabes. They were from bkk, trying to make some extra income.

I attach a pic for reference from her insta. Thats the type I would go for.

[QUOTE=DrainMaker;2864883]Yes, I was told by the manager that I can BF, but its between me and the girl. Same in Harem. I asked a few girls but none were keen. The setting in Harem is more suitable for a lapdance and the rest. Mind you this in Phuket.

I did manage to BF a couple of stunning parttimers from Oscar for 1 k and 3 k ST The first thing she did was feed her number in my phone, and happy to see me the next day. The girls were not the typical go go girls, full time models and sugarbabes. They were from bkk, trying to make some extra income.

I attach a pic for reference from her insta. Thats the type I would go for ;-)[/QUOTE]The piC is the 1,000 bahter I Presume?

Solid 8 for me. Wow.

[QUOTE=DrainMaker;2864883]Yes, I was told by the manager that I can BF, but its between me and the girl. Same in Harem. I asked a few girls but none were keen. The setting in Harem is more suitable for a lapdance and the rest. Mind you this in Phuket.

I did manage to BF a couple of stunning parttimers from Oscar for 1 k and 3 k ST The first thing she did was feed her number in my phone, and happy to see me the next day. The girls were not the typical go go girls, full time models and sugarbabes. They were from bkk, trying to make some extra income.

I attach a pic for reference from her insta. Thats the type I would go for ;-)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2864898]The piC is the 1,000 bahter I Presume?[/QUOTE]Nah.

1 k bar fine, 3 K ST.

I could have actually seen her without a barfine, but I was too keen to get on with it.

Few days back I was scanning the talent in beach road and came across few young cuties but they were demanding 2 k baht ST and that too advance which I will need to pay to an older lady sitting with them. They said once I pay I can take the girl with me. Was not comfortable paying advance for a FL so skipped it. Has anyone came across such scenarios in beach road.

I did ask them directly if lady or not and they confirmed in positive.

[QUOTE=DrainMaker;2864883]Yes, I was told by the manager that I can BF, but its between me and the girl. Same in Harem. I asked a few girls but none were keen. The setting in Harem is more suitable for a lapdance and the rest. Mind you this in Phuket.

I did manage to BF a couple of stunning parttimers from Oscar for 1 k and 3 k ST The first thing she did was feed her number in my phone, and happy to see me the next day. The girls were not the typical go go girls, full time models and sugarbabes. They were from bkk, trying to make some extra income.

I attach a pic for reference from her insta. Thats the type I would go for.[/QUOTE]You are saying that the Phuket gogo Suzy Wongs does not charge a barfine for taking a lady off the premises?

I suspect that there is a barfine, and it's very expensive.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2864809]Amen mate, I'm here in HK, been back a week and it is depressing, US $300+ quotes from 4-5's that I wouldn't touch.

Heading back to Pattaya next week, many new faces on Thai Friendly and getting 1500ST qoutes from some now and 3000 LT. Girl who contacted me I've never seen before but she has a solid 8 face and am awaiting body pics. I've told several of the 2-3 k ST club that they're clearly missing the market and I expect sub 2 k. Some tell me to piss off. Others are dropping prices already as more and more newbies hit Pattaya etc.

YMMV.

Lady pic is active on TF and does A levels. See att.[/QUOTE]I keep saying this so much money is being left on the Proverbial Table its INSANITY. A lot of Girls are doAble at much less than the $150-$200 they are asking for.

Just an example. A surfer type California girl returned to Rainbow 5 last night. Not a Stunner but very attractive kind of, Good proportionate body. Not outgoing, can't tell if shy or if she Hates men. LOL. Normal price is $125 all in or so. She doesn't get much action due to her deameanor is my Guess.

I'm sure sub $100 she might be quite an Earner.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2865028]Few days back I was scanning the talent in beach road and came across few young cuties but they were demanding 2 k baht ST and that too advance which I will need to pay to an older lady sitting with them. They said once I pay I can take the girl with me. Was not comfortable paying advance for a FL so skipped it. Has anyone came across such scenarios in beach road.

I did ask them directly if lady or not and they confirmed in positive.[/QUOTE]You were being set up.

Never pay in advance.

The most likely scenario, once you pay in advance, is that the lady gives you a story, and you are in the wind.

I used to frequent Amon's and got to know the staff quite well. The day before Halloween I returned and arranged to go up to the newer room that they have with an en suite shower. When we opened the door, the girl, upon turning on the light, let out a gasp. There was a giant pile of shit on the pillow of the bed. I imagine this was the mark of a disgruntled employee. Or customer? Anyway, they were trying to get me to go to the other set of rooms on the other side of the bar but by that point I had lost all interest. Left and will probably never return. I don't expect immaculate sanitary conditions at such places, but this should have been noticed, especially since they have a dedicated cleaning person on staff and many other older ladies standing around whose duties are ambiguous at best.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2865028]Few days back I was scanning the talent in beach road and came across few young cuties but they were demanding 2 k baht ST and that too advance which I will need to pay to an older lady sitting with them. They said once I pay I can take the girl with me. Was not comfortable paying advance for a FL so skipped it. Has anyone came across such scenarios in beach road.[/QUOTE]Yes that's the typical transaction on the beach.

There is 1 older girl for approximately 10 younger ones, normally you give her 3 K or 5 K for ST (I'm surprised they asked you only 2 K, you must be a very good negociator).

Sometimes the younger girl you chose come, sometimes it's another one, some other times nobody shows up.

But it's not a big deal, in any case you never fuck her, she just comes to steal some stuff in your room, or drink the beer you previously prepared for her.

It's a win-win transaction for every parties involved, the young girl gets cash without exposing herself to some STDs, the old one gets some cash for not moving her fat ass, and the customer can enjoy the feeling of helping poor unfortunate people living in a third world country in exchange of a very small piece of his well earned cash.

Not to be underestimated is the fact that now, customer can promote himself as an experienced monger.

If I was asked an advice, I would say just go for it, learning someting new is always worth the cash spent on it.

Yesterday night, these guys fucked up one of my last evenings in Pattaya.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2023/11/02/chonburi-governor-launches-operation-in-pattaya-to-crack-down-on-crime-ahead-of-high-season/[/URL]

They parked their grey minivan in the 6 around 10 pm, and suddenly almost all the ST rooms in the bars became unavailable.

I've been forced to stay longer in the bar, in case they would leave and I could finally fuck my girl, but it didn't happen.

I then realised that many of these guys paying 5 racks of Tequila are being forced to do so by the girls.

There were two gents from HK (around 60 years old), both entertaining 2 girls. One of the girls received a 5 rack, while the other one moved in the front of the bar with her co-workers after finishing her glass of LD (they are not allowed to stay with the customer once the LD is finished, if the customer refuses to pay another one).

After around 25 minutes, she walks in front of him again, he calls her over and she shows 5 with her fingers.

She says "I told you 5, but you said no". The guy says something that I didn't understand, she says 5 again. I thought he was trying to BF her, and she was asking 5 K but he didn't want to pay that.

Finally he says yes, the girl becomes all smiley again, goes to the bar and comes back with her 5 racks of Tequila.

She pressured him to get 5 LDs instead of 1 and it finally worked for her.

The sad thing for the fellow from HK is that after finishing her racks, her regular customer came in and barfined her on the spot. Of course she left the fellow from HK empty handed, smiled at him with a good bye gesture and disappeared with her lover.

Moral of the story, don't let yourself being pressured by these be*tches, it will very rarely end well.

Visiting Pattaya next month for my 2nd visit, would've liked to repeat earlier, but Covid. Can't wait, love reading you guys reports on the field.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2865082]You are saying that the Phuket gogo Suzy Wongs does not charge a barfine for taking a lady off the premises?

I suspect that there is a barfine, and it's very expensive.[/QUOTE]There is a bar fine, but whether the girl decides to go or not is upto her (that's what I was told), but almost always the girls don't want to go.

So if someone did manage to take a girl out it would be silly money, not really worth it.

I'd rather spend that money at Illusion, get a table, plenty of 7's and 8's happy to come join for a drink and dance away and the rest is upto your people skills.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2865166](they are not allowed to stay with the customer once the LD is finished, if the customer refuses to pay another one).[/QUOTE]The girl took the old Asians as a chump. It's more likely the girl didn't want to spend any time with him unless she was making money so she gave him an ultimatum. I interpret the above sentence that this was a bar rule, not a girl rule. If a bar rule, which bar is this so I don't go? If a girl rule, shame on the manager for losing control of his/her bar.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2865224]I interpret the above sentence that this was a bar rule, not a girl rule. If a bar rule, which bar is this so I don't go?[/QUOTE]This particular bar was a Nightwish bar near Beach road side so you'll have to avoid all their bars.

I suspect that rule is being even more enforced in some of the non-Nightwish bars. I've heard that from different girls (who didn't give a fuck about me) in different bars (Candy, Poison, Fire, none of these bars are Nightwish).

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2865259]This particular bar was a Nightwish bar near Beach road side so you'll have to avoid all their bars.

I suspect that rule is being even more enforced in some of the non-Nightwish bars. I've heard that from different girls (who didn't give a fuck about me) in different bars (Candy, Poison, Fire, none of these bars are Nightwish).[/QUOTE]I've seen the name Nightwish being thrown around a lot. Other than the bar on s6 that's called Nightwish, would anyone please share which bars are nightwish?

Much obliged.

Hi all,

I have been visiting Bangkok every 6 months for the last 2 years, and love seeing only high end girls (cost is not an issue). So, been visiting primarily Maria Massage and Black Caviar, with each session here being mostly in the 10 K+ baht. Have also visited The Pimp in Bangkok, and love the high end nature of the club there. These places (maria, black caviar, pimp) definitely has some real solid lookers / top shelf models. Occasionally, I will pull in a freelancer from Thermae bar (usually in 3-5 K baht range). Not been lucky pulling any russians / uzbeks who I believe used to come to Bangkok before covid.

I have never been to Pattaya. My understanding is that Pattaya is much cheaper than Bangkok. But, I am not looking for cheap girls. Are there high end massage parlors or gentleman clubs that I can pick girls from? I. e. Top shelf model looking girls only.

Also, what does the situation for russians / uzbeks (I. E. CIS) looking like in Pattaya these days? Are they back in Pattaya in any of the clubs or other pick up areas?

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2865276]I've seen the name Nightwish being thrown around a lot. Other than the bar on s6 that's called Nightwish, would anyone please share which bars are nightwish?[/QUOTE]There is a group of bars on Soi 6 owned by the same company.

[URL]https://nightwish-group.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2865276]I've seen the name Nightwish being thrown around a lot. Other than the bar on s6 that's called Nightwish, would anyone please share which bars are nightwish?

Much obliged.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nightwish-group.com/[/URL]

They have a website.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2865224]The girl took the old Asians as a chump. It's more likely the girl didn't want to spend any time with him unless she was making money so she gave him an ultimatum. I interpret the above sentence that this was a bar rule, not a girl rule. If a bar rule, which bar is this so I don't go? If a girl rule, shame on the manager for losing control of his/her bar.[/QUOTE]Absolutely mate. We need to avoid giving business to those members of the ruling oligarchy in these bars. I'm kind of a creature of habit so go to.

Buzzin Lounge, Stunners: GCs.

XS, Sapphire, Windmill: Agogos.

SexyintheCity, SOHO, several other Soi 6 indies: bars.

Beach Bar and some of the Soi Buokao places, none are Nightwish ASFAIK.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2865166]Yesterday night, these guys fucked up one of my last evenings in Pattaya.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2023/11/02/chonburi-governor-launches-operation-in-pattaya-to-crack-down-on-crime-ahead-of-high-season/[/URL]

They parked their grey minivan in the 6 around 10 pm, and suddenly almost all the ST rooms in the bars became unavailable.

I've been forced to stay longer in the bar, in case they would leave and I could finally fuck my girl, but it didn't happen.

I then realised that many of these guys paying 5 racks of Tequila are being forced to do so by the girls.

There were two gents from HK (around 60 years old), both entertaining 2 girls. One of the girls received a 5 rack, while the other one moved in the front of the bar with her co-workers after finishing her glass of LD (they are not allowed to stay with the customer once the LD is finished, if the customer refuses to pay another one).

After around 25 minutes, she walks in front of him again, he calls her over and she shows 5 with her fingers.

She says "I told you 5, but you said no". The guy says something that I didn't understand, she says 5 again. I thought he was trying to BF her, and she was asking 5 K but he didn't want to pay that.

Finally he says yes, the girl becomes all smiley again, goes to the bar and comes back with her 5 racks of Tequila.

She pressured him to get 5 LDs instead of 1 and it finally worked for her.

The sad thing for the fellow from HK is that after finishing her racks, her regular customer came in and barfined her on the spot. Of course she left the fellow from HK empty handed, smiled at him with a good bye gesture and disappeared with her lover.

Moral of the story, don't let yourself being pressured by these be*tches, it will very rarely end well.[/QUOTE]I follow the IG of a lady mate from XS that I BF a few weeks ago. She told me the usual bollocks about me being her love + one true sugar daddy and lover yada yada yada (I'm in my 50's, she is 21-23). Said she likes to drink but doesn't go on many BF or ST / LT (bullshit as she moonlights via TF).

Anyway, I was paying her off-site from XS for ST and a few LT when I was at the Hilton but when I went to stay at the Hard Rock she got all iffy and refused to go with me a few nights. Anyway, one night she wanted me to come into XS and drink with her (VIP $$ bottles etc) and promised to go home with me if maybe her friend could join (drinks and later possibly). So, horned up and stoopid, I got there at 10 pm and Miss XS was already at a table with another sugar daddy (she proclaimed him to be her favourite on her IG feed that night). She was pissed out of her mind. This guy splurged nearly 40 K on her and her friends for VIP bottles plus other shot after shot. This wee lass had 25 shots on the night and ignored me until the other guy wanted to BF her. She got up, walked over to me and told me she wanted me to take her out, not because I am Paul Newman or anything but because I treat her nicely and don't overdo the pounding of her wee little pussy. I said NO and took another girl home.

So that night, I had a few beers, no fancy drinks and paid for only 2 other LD and the Agogo girl rinsed another guy, not getting BF by anyone in the end.

2 days go by and she plays the same game with some young dude who spends nearly 30 k Baht there at XS (receipt shown on her IG). The guy had 4 girls at his table and bottles of Vodka, Champagne and Whiskey, young miss claims she had only 5-6 shots by midnight when I got there. Same story is she left the VIP guy and came to me and wanted to go with me that night. Suddenly, she wanted to stay at the Hard Rock because she heard from another girl that I had a great suite and had treated a Sapphire girl to brekky, lunch, dinner and presents etc. The gogo girls and bar girls talk incessantly with each other about business. That night I took her home and bonked her senseless. This one girl is a rinser par excellence, but, so are many of the smarter Girls in Pattaya. It is business afterall. So now, I don't go into the VIP shite 8 k-30 k drinks + BF etc in an Agogo becasue these business ladies can be had sometimes for approx 2 k ST + 4-7 K LT with no BF and crazy drinks bills. I do BF ladies but only the 1st time I'm at a club with them and want to take 'them for a test drive.

I take the XS girl's shit because I understand her game, respect it and we both get what we want. She is a true LBFM of the 100/100 performance variety has a hot 21 year old 43 kg body. She claimed to be peeved that I took out another XS girl (I'd had her before this one as well) and wanted my regular ST / LT bucks.

In the END the intellectual property finds the $$ almost always.

Also, these girls all seem to go to Republic Club after work or on non-rostered nights and play the same game with guys in VIP there.

As always YMMV.

I'm a bit lost.

Girl gave guy an Option. Buy a Tray or don't Enjoy my company.

I wouldn't hate on Girl for that. That the guy Caved is on Him.

If a girl is sitting with a guy it auto takes her off the market. I'm with her. It's our job to find girls who aren't Disgusted by us. Hahaha.

I wish Baitoey was more Friendly, for example.

Nightwish bars controlled by a Mouthy Foreigner.

I just find it hard to believe Thais are OK with this.

Gnomesaying.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2865224]The girl took the old Asians as a chump. It's more likely the girl didn't want to spend any time with him unless she was making money so she gave him an ultimatum.[/QUOTE]I was there again the next day. The 2 same guys came back too.

Same girl unleashed her best smile and tried to snake herself between Asian guy's arms, but this time he rejected her and they spent the evening entertaining two other girls.

She didn't really care much, her lover came again and barfined her a bit later.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2865315][URL]https://nightwish-group.com/[/URL]

They have a website.[/QUOTE]That website doesn't show all the bars accurately.

Look at these two pics, with some exceptions.

For example, right now, the Nightwish bar near Beach road is closed for renovation, they moved all their girls to a new bar (Offshore) located near Exotica.

There are probably a few other bars not shown on these pics too, like Mod's bar and Omega.

If not Nightwish bars what then. TOMCATS. LOL.

P.S. So far the best girl I found belong to the bar next to Desire. Pretty sure not a NW Bar.

There is an uptick in business in Pattaya. I am seeing 50% cancellation by ladies, mostly due to them getting better customers, after they agree to come to my condo.

If there is no rain at night, I am seeing more foot traffic on Soi Chaiapoon.

But tons of available ladies, most bars are wildly overstaffed, waiting for the deluge of customers.

YMMV innit 479 at XS Agogo.

Enjoy or not.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2865285]Also, what does the situation for russians / uzbeks (I. E. CIS) looking like in Pattaya these days? Are they back in Pattaya in any of the clubs or other pick up areas?[/QUOTE]I've been very lucky. I was in Pattaya last year for a convention, but decided against staying at the Hilton because of the crowds and mess that is a megamall and hotel / convention center combo.

I had my assistant book AirBnB called the Edge, which has been mentioned here before. Instead of booking on AirBnB, I contacted the manager directly and got a week rate that was cheaper than the 4 day rate on AirBnB.

The best part was the surprise Russian MILFs in the building. Quite a few of them skinny mommies who tan an hour a day at the pool while the kids play. Playing with my drone is a natural magnet for the kids, which then involve the moms, who, judging from the arguments I overhear from the families on the floor alone, the stress of a weed smoking derelict dad, tend to be lonely wifeys starved for attention. They usually better educated, and speaks good English. Met this 28 year old mother of 2, who is totally unhappy and dying of lack of mental stimulation. We chatted about travel, art and life. By the 4th day by the pool, she snuck me her number and snuck a kiss in the gym. Not knowing what that guy does, I paid for her private STI test (for B750, Medex will come to you), and she was very open about being on birth control. So I was making sweet love with her the last 2 days of my trip, and I have been returning to Pattaya every 2-3 months now to continue seeing said MILF, instead of slogging it in BKK pollution, with her sneaking out daily for an hour or so each time. If I want a little more (pay action, Tinder / AFF / TF are available, pay for ST with transport, or head to the local GCs or even a massage place where the girls are bored and who won't make 4 k a day doing massage.

TLDR: condos are nice places to meet Russian MILFs.

This may be a silly question but do you feel like there is a correlation between low / high season and BBFS availability? I always traveled in low season and found my BBFS success to be about 60% most of the times going with the flow, I rarely asked before barfine.

Am I stupid if I think BBFS might be significantly less available in high season given the more options for the ladies? I'm thinking about going during high season for once.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2865383]YMMV innit 479 at XS Agogo.

Enjoy or not.[/QUOTE]Mods can you delete my attached post and pics as I have badly messed up the ladies in the thread and it is misleading.

Apologies.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2865351]There is an uptick in business in Pattaya. I am seeing 50% cancellation by ladies, mostly due to them getting better customers, after they agree to come to my condo.

If there is no rain at night, I am seeing more foot traffic on Soi Chaiapoon.

But tons of available ladies, most bars are wildly overstaffed, waiting for the deluge of customers.[/QUOTE]I'm back next week. But even in Sep / Oct when last in town I had an almost 50% no show / cancellation on TF ladies which luckily made me go the beach road route, massage route and $$ Agogo, GC and bar routes.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2865346]P.S. So far the best girl I found belong to the bar next to Desire. Pretty sure not a NW Bar.[/QUOTE]It's Candy bar, not a NW.

I met a young girl that I liked a lot there a few weeks ago.

Probably the best body of all the girls I met this trip. She was very friendly and funny downstairs, all over me for the time we were there, but she became a complete star fish the moment we got in the room (something I didn't came across for a long time on the 6). It's a shame, I would have repeated her many times if she had put a bit of effort.

By the way, when it was time to pay the bill they charged two more drinks on it. The girl didn't understand, then the cashier didn't understand. It took her a whole 5 minutes to clear the error.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2860690]It's happening to me.

I thought the reports of Soi 6 girls not going with Customers was Fake News.

I can't even get to discussion of Price. They just not Interested.[/QUOTE]Especially if you are Indian, its the case. There could be some who say we are white it happened to me. But probably some 20% of white guys get turned down if they are old. But if you are Indian they will turn you down 90% if the time. Thailand is low key racist.

Most of topics here are related to bargirls, GC, soi 6 , thai friendly, beach road and the whole lot. Besides that I really adore the hundreds of massage places scattered around Pattaya. Not talking about the soapies and soi honey obvious outlets but the ordinary shops and the talent one can find. Some shops have new young ladies, some have overweight milfs and even grannies. Most of them goes days without seeing a client so more yes than no you will be treated like a king. Every visit I look for these kinda shops like in the 3rd road or jomtien hidden alleys. I avoid the beach road ones, too commercial and always full with tourists. Have to say I always managed to find gems and even had FS with the price of an oil massage and few baht tips. Ingeneral and personally I find it a better thrill and exciting hunt in these shops during the day.

Excuses for my broken english guys, and well done for all contributors.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2865659]Most of topics here are related to bargirls, GC, soi 6 , thai friendly, beach road and the whole lot. Besides that I really adore the hundreds of massage places scattered around Pattaya. Not talking about the soapies and soi honey obvious outlets but the ordinary shops and the talent one can find. Some shops have new young ladies, some have overweight milfs and even grannies. Most of them goes days without seeing a client so more yes than no you will be treated like a king. Every visit I look for these kinda shops like in the 3rd road or jomtien hidden alleys. I avoid the beach road ones, too commercial and always full with tourists. Have to say I always managed to find gems and even had FS with the price of an oil massage and few baht tips. Ingeneral and personally I find it a better thrill and exciting hunt in these shops during the day.

Excuses for my broken english guys, and well done for all contributors.[/QUOTE]I like soapies but my problem with them has been the lack of lookers and abundance of older ladies. Great that you found gems. Perhaps in my next visit I'll have a little more patience and spend more time going from one to the other.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2865659]Most of topics here are related to bargirls, GC, soi 6 , thai friendly, beach road and the whole lot. Besides that I really adore the hundreds of massage places scattered around Pattaya. Not talking about the soapies and soi honey obvious outlets but the ordinary shops and the talent one can find. Some shops have new young ladies, some have overweight milfs and even grannies. Most of them goes days without seeing a client so more yes than no you will be treated like a king. Every visit I look for these kinda shops like in the 3rd road or jomtien hidden alleys. I avoid the beach road ones, too commercial and always full with tourists. Have to say I always managed to find gems and even had FS with the price of an oil massage and few baht tips. Ingeneral and personally I find it a better thrill and exciting hunt in these shops during the day.

Excuses for my broken english guys, and well done for all contributors.[/QUOTE]I am right there with you. I really enjoy strolling the smaller streets and looking for something that catches my eyes in one of the smaller shops. I found a really nice 40ish MIFL in one of the shops on Beach Rd. Near 13/1. She gave me a nice massage and told me they did not give any extras, and that meant NONE. However, she did tell me she would be happy to visit my hotel room. I offered to arrange an outcall massage, she told me to just barfine her out of the shop and she would stay as long as I wished and it would save me money since I didn't have to pay for outcall massage. She stayed long enough for two FS sessions, plus a fun lunch and dinner, kissed me on the cheek and left at my request. I was an idiot and forgot to get her LINE. Went back after golf the next day and asked her to let me barfine her again. She was all smiles and her colleagues were smiling at me while I waited for her to get her things together. She has since returned home and I don't want to invite her back to Pattaya only because I don't want to have someone with me for days on end.

[QUOTE=Mathew1984;2865645]Especially if you are Indian, its the case. There could be some who say we are white it happened to me. But probably some 20% of white guys get turned down if they are old. But if you are Indian they will turn you down 90% if the time. Thailand is low key racist.[/QUOTE]Thailand isn't low key racist, it's openly racist. The lighter your skin the better you're treated. I have Thai friends both male and female that attest to this. There's a reason why so many young girls in BKK are pale white, with the nose jobs to make their noses thinner to more resemble European features. They end up with the butchered looking nose that I find unattractive but I guess the girls prefer it.

A subtle example, my recent trip to Pattaya in Sept and Oct I'd frequent a massage shop on Buakho daily for foot massage, so sitting in towards the front of the shop and able to see all the people walking by. The massage shop workers were of all ages, young and middle aged and old. Anytime a young, shirtless Caucasian Chad walked by these massage workers would go crazy hollering in Thai and banging on the window front for the Chad to come inside. It was weird to witness in person. Kind of the equivalent of the construction workers on a construction site observing a hottie walking by and the cat calls ensue. I visited this shop around 30 days and the hootin and the hollerin was reserved for only Caucasian guys.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2865732]Went back after golf the next day and asked her to let me barfine her again. She was all smiles and her colleagues were smiling at me while I waited for her to get her things together. She has since returned home and I don't want to invite her back to Pattaya only because I don't want to have someone with me for days on end.[/QUOTE]So why not just tell her to come for 2 days only? Instead of barfining them you can always just get them to come stay over when they finish work, which for most massage shops is 11 pm or midnight.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2865285]I have never been to Pattaya. My understanding is that Pattaya is much cheaper than Bangkok. But, I am not looking for cheap girls. Are there high end massage parlors or gentleman clubs that I can pick girls from? Top shelf model looking girls only.[/QUOTE]The conventional wisdom is that the "top shelf" girls who look like a "model" are concentrated in the go-go clubs on Walking Street. So if your primary focus is on looks, that's where you should start. You'll pay top dollar for the barfine and the girl's fee. Long time will be almost impossible. Drinks will be expensive, and you should know some girls make enough money hustling lady drinks that they seldom go with customers. Sometimes the girl waits until you've spent serious money on drinks to disclose this. Or she claims to be having her period.

There are a handful of soapies in Pattaya. But they are nothing like the expensive lavish establishments in Bangkok, either in terms of the talent or the facilities. There are numerous storefront massage parlors all over town. You might get lucky and find a hottie in one of these places, but it's going to take a lot of shoe leather. As for "gentlemens clubs," in Pattaya that means something different than it does in Bangkok. Most of them are pretty basic bars that open early in the afternoon. They specialize in cheap drinks and raunchy girls willing to get busy in the bar or in spartan rooms upstairs at bargain prices. The GCs are popular with thrifty sex-pats and other Cheap Charlies. Probably not your cup of tea.

Go back a year in the Pattaya forum and read the reports. You'll see that the naughty boy scene in Pattaya is more downmarket than the places you frequent in Bangkok.

When I came to Pattaya in the past, I only went to Devil's Den (now closed) and one GC Club 007 soi Bongkot.

As I come in again in one in two weeks, I have two questions for the regulars:

Can I go to Windmill agogo just for the show and the atmosphere (ordering a drink of course) and can we go as a couple (with my wife).

In Pattaya are there equivalents to Bangkok massage parlors like Snowwhite and Tulip where the service is almost guaranteed for a fixed price?

Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2865659]Most of topics here are related to bargirls, GC, soi 6 , thai friendly, beach road and the whole lot. Besides that I really adore the hundreds of massage places scattered around Pattaya. Not talking about the soapies and soi honey obvious outlets but the ordinary shops and the talent one can find. Some shops have new young ladies, some have overweight milfs and even grannies. Most of them goes days without seeing a client so more yes than no you will be treated like a king. Every visit I look for these kinda shops like in the 3rd road or jomtien hidden alleys. I avoid the beach road ones, too commercial and always full with tourists. Have to say I always managed to find gems and even had FS with the price of an oil massage and few baht tips. Ingeneral and personally I find it a better thrill and exciting hunt in these shops during the day.

Excuses for my broken english guys, and well done for all contributors.[/QUOTE]I've always been a legit massage person first due to my lower back injury decline surgery I get by on massage. Living here I've lost count but hundreds if not close to a thousand. As for the extras the main location, Soi Honey, particularly with Paradise found some real gems when unexpected even a few that could easily work at a GoGo. I still remember many years ago having a fallout with my regular at a GoGo, on the way home cruise through Soi Honey at 4 am, Paradise sitting outside all alone playing on her phone 22-year, white skin. Regardless of my intent although not a legit place a decent oil before I turned over and she took off her top I said wow, those days I didn't need any help she became pretty much a regular along with two or three.

The majority of the time I never look it just happens while coming and going. Not wanting to get into looks etc. There have been times when something catches my eye in uniform or not I start with a foot massage and go from there. In conversation, at least for me I know whether they are interested in giving up more through the years I've had hit-and-miss throughout town, Jomtien, Darkside, and North Pattaya but at least come away with a foot or oil massage. The south end of 2nd Road, leading down to WS. Where I usually park my bike I've gotten a few gems I stick to the east side since there are too many Arabs and Indians on the other side for my taste.

One place that is overlooked is on Pattaya Klang, both sides close to the beginning of Soi Buakhao, whether in uniform or not I've found the most gems. Several times a year I park my bike down.

Between 3rd Road and Soi Buakhao while walking down to Soi Baukhao to check them out while they are sitting once past Soi Buakhao I cross Klang and do the other side and back to bike if nothing is found. The catch is living here I can take or leave need to put in the time.

For eye candy, I like the GoGo just to relax but that is getting really old due to the owner's need to monopolize the market. I've seen these girls at XS, and agree with others they have the best-looking girls but at my age and time, I can take or leave it a majority of the time I look and leave. I was inside Pin Up a few days ago stepped in got a prime seat, and ordered a cheap draft it wasn't the drink, but within a few minutes of getting the draft every waiter or waitress that walked by grabbed my bin to check the time I sat down was there ten minutes close to half dozen times. The Asian guy next to me was there already same thing after the lady pointed at his drink basically to ask another he declined some words were exchanged paid the bill and left.

Bacarra has always been my go-to place to have a bit of fun now I won't step into the place regardless of how many girls I might know since it opened. So today look leave and scoop out massage places so far majority FS with the oil is 1000 depending on location. Good luck hunting!

The cheap legit foot massages and cheap Thai food are actually more important to me than the fringe benefits. Not that those aren't important too it's just that the fringe benefits is not a daily thing anymore. LOL.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2865801]The conventional wisdom is that the "top shelf" girls who look like a "model" are concentrated in the go-go clubs on Walking Street. So if your primary focus is on looks, that's where you should start. You'll pay top dollar for the barfine and the girl's fee. Long time will be almost impossible. Drinks will be expensive, and you should know some girls make enough money hustling lady drinks that they seldom go with customers. Sometimes the girl waits until you've spent serious money on drinks to disclose this. Or she claims to be having her period.[/QUOTE]Did you really tell this more than likely Indian or Middle Eastern poster to start his search for top shelf models at the gogo bars on WS? Yeah um right. Good luck with making it a few steps near the club before getting pointed away by the guards.

[QUOTE=Traveler95;2865802]Can I go to Windmill agogo just for the show and the atmosphere (ordering a drink of course) and can we go as a couple (with my wife).

In Pattaya are there equivalents to Bangkok massage parlors like Snowwhite and Tulip where the service is almost guaranteed for a fixed price?[/QUOTE]Re. Windmill yes and yes. Tipping a girl a 100 here and there will get you a lot more attention.

By Snow White and Tulip I am assuming you mean skank massage places rather than just vanilla sex? Dirty girls are everywhere you just have to find them. The locale doesn't matter but if you want to increase the ease of finding a skank girl start off at BJ bars like Post Office and Telephone Booth. Definitely not the best lookers but mileage will be high. Since you used to go to 007 all the other girls on the Soi Full Love Inn BJ bars are relatively the same mileage YMMV.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2865767]Anytime a young, shirtless Caucasian Chad walked by these massage workers would go crazy hollering in Thai and banging on the window front for the Chad to come inside. .......the hootin and the hollerin was reserved for only Caucasian guys.[/QUOTE]

Was it only because the shirtless white guy was young and fit? What if the shirtless guy was the usual 70 year old hairy chested overweight white guy you see in Pattaya?

No "hootin and the hollerin" for the young Koreans and Japanese? That's odd.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2865726]I like soapies but my problem with them has been the lack of lookers and abundance of older ladies.[/QUOTE]

Have Pattaya soapies gone that downhill? In the good soapies you usually see a group of pretty decent pale skinned thin young girls in the expensive VIP section. What time do you normally hit the soapies?

I do not get ignored when I walk past massage shops. I am always and I do mean always encouraged to come in into the shop. I have been told they love me and have been offered marriage proposals. In fact, I wear mirrored sunglasses. I was riding the Baht bus and it was at a stop light. I was just looking in the general direction of a massage shop and one of the girls insisted on waving at me repeatedly. Finally I waved back and they all started laughing and giggling that she got me to acknowledge her.

I have not received different treatment from any restaurant, beer bar, gogo bar, gentleman's club nor from any girl from beach road or Thai Friendly. Please remember that they all have eyes and they can all see me. I guess the color of my Baht notes were the same as everyone else's. I have over 150 unanswered emails in the Thai Friendly mailbox. If I am being treated poorly, I have not noticed it yet.

[I]"I'm going to spread the news, that if feels this good getting used, well they can just keep on using me, until they use me up."[/I]

[B]I have been in Pattaya for almost three months. And most of my experiences do not align with things I see written here in the Pattaya Reports section. [/B]

The only racism I have experienced have been from other farrangs that were melanin challenged. And quickly let them know they were not in Kansas (or California for that matter) anymore and they better secure that bullshit. Both assholes shut the fuck up and got out of my face.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2865767]Thailand isn't low key racist, it's openly racist. The lighter your skin the better you're treated. I have Thai friends both male and female that attest to this. There's a reason why so many young girls in BKK are pale white, with the nose jobs to make their noses thinner to more resemble European features. They end up with the butchered looking nose that I find unattractive but I guess the girls prefer it.

A subtle example, my recent trip to Pattaya in Sept and Oct I'd frequent a massage shop on Buakho daily for foot massage, so sitting in towards the front of the shop and able to see all the people walking by. The massage shop workers were of all ages, young and middle aged and old. Anytime a young, shirtless Caucasian Chad walked by these massage workers would go crazy hollering in Thai and banging on the window front for the Chad to come inside. It was weird to witness in person. Kind of the equivalent of the construction workers on a construction site observing a hottie walking by and the cat calls ensue. I visited this shop around 30 days and the hootin and the hollerin was reserved for only Caucasian guys. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2865975]Re. Windmill yes and yes. Tipping a girl a 100 here and there will get you a lot more attention.

By Snow White and Tulip I am assuming you mean skank massage places rather than just vanilla sex? Dirty girls are everywhere you just have to find them. The locale doesn't matter but if you want to increase the ease of finding a skank girl start off at BJ bars like Post Office and Telephone Booth. Definitely not the best lookers but mileage will be high. Since you used to go to 007 all the other girls on the Soi Full Love Inn BJ bars are relatively the same mileage YMMV.



Was it only because the shirtless white guy was young and fit? What if the shirtless guy was the usual 70 year old hairy chested overweight white guy you see in Pattaya?

No "hootin and the hollerin" for the young Koreans and Japanese? That's odd.



Have Pattaya soapies gone that downhill? In the good soapies you usually see a group of pretty decent pale skinned thin young girls in the expensive VIP section. What time do you normally hit the soapies?[/QUOTE]Some shirtless but most in tank tops. No banging on windows for Japanese or Korean. Shit was funny to witness so many times in person. Like I see a hot girl, I stare at her and go a long on my way. These ladies literally bang on a window front when they see a hot dude, that's some weird, childish shit. But women, especially in Thailand, have a childish nature to them, there's positives and negatives to that, for me the pos outweighs the neg.

I have been back home from Thailand a few weeks now and thoroughly miss the convenience and affordability of being able to pay for ass. America is one depressing shit hole on so many levels.

When a girl in a go go tells you that she is having her period, I always tell them.

That I am ok with that and actually prefer it. Their reactions can be hysterical.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2865801]The conventional wisdom is that the "top shelf" girls who look like a "model" are concentrated in the go-go clubs on Walking Street. Sometimes the girl waits until you've spent serious money on drinks to disclose this. Or she claims to be having her period.

There are a handful of soapies in Pattaya. But they are nothing like the expensive lavish esta

Go back a year in the Pattaya forum and read the reports. You'll see that the naughty boy scene in Pattaya is more downmarket than the places you frequent in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2865975]Re. Windmill yes and yes. Tipping a girl a 100 here and there will get you a lot more attention.

By Snow White and Tulip I am assuming you mean skank massage places rather than just vanilla sex? Dirty girls are everywhere you just have to find them. The locale doesn't matter but if you want to increase the ease of finding a skank girl start off at BJ bars like Post Office and Telephone Booth. Definitely not the best lookers but mileage will be high. Since you used to go to 007 all the other girls on the Soi Full Love Inn BJ bars are relatively the same mileage YMMV.



Was it only because the shirtless white guy was young and fit? What if the shirtless guy was the usual 70 year old hairy chested overweight white guy you see in Pattaya?

No "hootin and the hollerin" for the young Koreans and Japanese? That's odd.



Have Pattaya soapies gone that downhill? In the good soapies you usually see a group of pretty decent pale skinned thin young girls in the expensive VIP section. What time do you normally hit the soapies?[/QUOTE]Chocolate Men get the most reaction of Soi 6 girls as they walk by. Weird. Especially from the Dark Skin Heavy Set Girls. Hahaha.

Soapies seem to Cater to our lovely Friends from an unmentionable country. Resulting talent available to their liking.

On Thai Friendly, girls tell me they are on their period. And then they offer to deliver themselves to my room and suck my dick for 500 THB.

Now, I will wait for the inevitable voices from the peanut gallery to start their cacophony as they begin criticizing the appearance of the prostitutes I hire without ever seeing them. We might even get a solo performance.

[B]Does "top shelf" and "model" pussy fuck better?[/B]

When you have bought a drink for a lady in a bar, it's very common for the bargirl to ask you to buy her friend a drink. Often, the request is accompanied with "she hasn't had a drink in 3 days".

Always say no.

First off, the bargirl may be lying. It's common for bargirls to cut a deal where, if one snags a customer, she gives her friend a ladydrink, thus doubling their revenues.

But, it may be the case that her friend hasn't had a ladydrink for 3 days. If so, don't buy her a drink. If the lady cannot attract customers, she needs to find a job in another line of work.

So, I am 3 days into the 7 days-for-10,000 baht experience with a lady.

The good news is that she is good with cleaning my place, the laundry and the dishes.

The bad news is that she is sick, and passes out every night early. Before she showed up, she was sick for a week, so I delayed her start until she said she was okay. But still not okay.

So, no boom-boom yet.

Maybe I send her home today.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2866083]On Thai Friendly, girls tell me they are on their period. And then they offer to deliver themselves to my room and suck my dick for 500 THB.

Now, I will wait for the inevitable voices from the peanut gallery to start their cacophony as they begin criticizing the appearance of the prostitutes I hire without ever seeing them. We might even get a solo performance.

[B]Does "top shelf" and "model" pussy fuck better?[/B][/QUOTE]Good for you. No problem for me if you pay fee for service.

My problem is with the PLMs who give money to ladies for nothing.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2866084]When you have bought a drink for a lady in a bar, it's very common for the bargirl to ask you to buy her friend a drink. Often, the request is accompanied with "she hasn't had a drink in 3 days".

Always say no.[/QUOTE]If the friend is ugly I always provide career consultation that she needs to look for another line of work. I'm so jai dee that I don't even charge my regular consultation rates.

If the friend is hot, I boot the first girl away and feel up and DFK the friend instead.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2866083]On Thai Friendly, girls tell me they are on their period. And then they offer to deliver themselves to my room and suck my dick for 500 THB.

Now, I will wait for the inevitable voices from the peanut gallery to start their cacophony as they begin criticizing the appearance of the prostitutes I hire without ever seeing them. We might even get a solo performance.

[B]Does "top shelf" and "model" pussy fuck better?[/B][/QUOTE]You did say Looks Don't Matter to you. Your actions certainly agree with your point of view.

No arguments from me. Carry on SiR.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2866083]

[B]Does "top shelf" and "model" pussy fuck better?[/B][/QUOTE]NO. There is a correlation between the way a girl thinks about YOU and performance. However people here are only focus on LOOKS and PRICE. Kinda lame I think.

I fly to Thailand today and got tons of girls lined up. But I know for sure a few will give me a Oscar worthy experience for a reasonable price simply because they "like" me.

You can rent pussy and sex. However its not easy to rent sexually involvement and real passion!

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2866159]NO. There is a correlation between the way a girl thinks about YOU and performance. However people here are only focus on LOOKS and PRICE. Kinda lame I think.

I fly to Thailand today and got tons of girls lined up. But I know for sure a few will give me a Oscar worthy experience for a reasonable price simply because they "like" me.

You can rent pussy and sex. However its not easy to rent sexually involvement and real passion![/QUOTE]Yes, some develop a fondness for customers, however some are just good business women and know how to turn on a performance to get a repeat customer.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2866159]NO. There is a correlation between the way a girl thinks about YOU and performance. However people here are only focus on LOOKS and PRICE. Kinda lame I think.

I fly to Thailand today and got tons of girls lined up. [b]But I know for sure a few will give me a Oscar worthy experience for a reasonable price simply because they "like" me.[/b]

You can rent pussy and sex. However its not easy to rent sexually involvement and real passion![/QUOTE]Thank you my ISG Brother. You and I are in complete agreement on this subject. And I have had the same experiences as you have. I have received excellent performances from girls who like me. And I have repeated with those girls. And none of my experiences has anything to do with the price point I have set for myself.

That is why I do not negotiate. If a girl does not want to accept my offer, getting her to come down is only going to make resentful she has to fuck me for "little money". [B]Rather have a girl that accepts my offer and then give her a 100 THB tip as a performance bonus![/B].

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2866159]NO. There is a correlation between the way a girl thinks about YOU and performance. However people here are only focus on LOOKS and PRICE. Kinda lame I think.

I fly to Thailand today and got tons of girls lined up. But I know for sure a few will give me a Oscar worthy experience for a reasonable price simply because they "like" me.

You can rent pussy and sex. However its not easy to rent sexually involvement and real passion![/QUOTE]I still don't get how you Price a Bargirl other than looks.

Ideologically a 500 bahter, sub. ,com girl should give better service. I mean she can Focus there isn't a line waiting out the door for her out the door.

It all begins with looks. I'm not backing Down. Then everyone has their checklist. Lucky for commander his list is Teeny Tiny.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2866103]If the friend is ugly I always provide career consultation that she needs to look for another line of work. I'm so jai dee that I don't even charge my regular consultation rates.

If the friend is hot, I boot the first girl away and feel up and DFK the friend instead.[/QUOTE]There have been a couple of times when I barfined the second girl, leaving the first one in the bar.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2866084]When you have bought a drink for a lady in a bar, it's very common for the bargirl to ask you to buy her friend a drink. Often, the request is accompanied with "she hasn't had a drink in 3 days".

Always say no.

First off, the bargirl may be lying. It's common for bargirls to cut a deal where, if one snags a customer, she gives her friend a ladydrink, thus doubling their revenues.

But, it may be the case that her friend hasn't had a ladydrink for 3 days. If so, don't buy her a drink. If the lady cannot attract customers, she needs to find a job in another line of work.[/QUOTE]If her friend hasn't gotten a customer in three days, then I'll politely spin it around to be her fault. Why didn't your friend get a customer in 3 days? Were they not acting as good as you? Did they make the last customer angry? I like you, not your friend, so I buy you a drink or two instead.

If the two are together when you say that you like the girl and not the friend, the girl isn't going to pass aside the compliment and drink offer.

If they are not nearby and she's just pointing to a friend, she's not going to talk badly about her friend, so she'll just accept the drink offer.

Also, "No. " is a whole sentence.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866082]Chocolate Men get the most reaction of Soi 6 girls as they walk by. Weird. Especially from the Dark Skin Heavy Set Girls. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]These are American guys most of the time. Chics are all over them because they can spend very crazy on LDs.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2866216]If her friend hasn't gotten a customer in three days, then I'll politely spin it around to be her fault. Why didn't your friend get a customer in 3 days? Were they not acting as good as you? Did they make the last customer angry? I like you, not your friend, so I buy you a drink or two instead.[/QUOTE]Most of them wouldn't understand these replies. They might even misinterpret what you said and wrongly get mad at you.

Best thing to say is to make it short like "I pay drink only for one girl" and you point at the girl you were already bying a drink to with a big smile on your face.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2866216]Also, "No. " is a whole sentence.[/QUOTE]Exactly, you can just say no with a smile. They can try to be pushy, just keep saying no, eventually the friend will get it and move back to where she came from.

[B]No one said looks are not important.[/B] What has been said is that looks do not correlate to price paid. Furthermore everyone values different looks.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866187]I still don't get how you Price a Bargirl other than looks.

Ideologically a 500 bahter, sub. ,com girl should give better service. I mean she can Focus there isn't a line waiting out the door for her out the door.

It all begins with looks. [b]I'm not backing Down.[/b] Then everyone has their checklist. Lucky for commander his list is Teeny Tiny.[/QUOTE]No need to back down. Your dick and your money. The only think I have seen that is Teeny Tiny is your brain. It often appears that you lack intelligence. What ever group you happen to represent, your are the worst of them.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866082]Chocolate Men get the most reaction of Soi 6 girls as they walk by. Weird. Especially from the Dark Skin Heavy Set Girls. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Can you keep your racist insults of individuals who do things different from you to yourself? All you do is encourage those deep feeling about the matter to say stupid things like this:

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2866217][b]These are American guys most of the time. Chics are all over them because they can spend very crazy on LDs.[/b][/QUOTE]Can I say something about most of the dump ass farrangs I see running around Pattaya? They don't look like me!

[B]Does paying more equate to a better sexual experience?[/B] [B]Does a more attractive girl (using your personal scale) fuck better?[/B].

I have had 6's rock my world and 10's leave me cold! Real world experience with girls who fucked me because they liked me. Pussy is Pussy when it is free. But if I am going to pay for it. I have to like the girl in the moment. I do not have a checklist. I am not flying a mother fucking plane. This is not mother fucking brain surgery for me or rocket science.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866123]You did say Looks Don't Matter to you.[/QUOTE]Quote the post where I said that.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866123]Your actions certainly agree with your point of view[/QUOTE]I said I focus on the deal. I have repeatedly asked you to meet me in person and show me what you mean by "looks". You refuse to meet me. That means you have ZERO information on my actions. And you have NEVER seen a prostitute I have hired in Pattaya or anywhere else in the world [B]Raj Raj[/B]. FACTS. Now I ask you, why are you afraid to come out from behind your computer screen and stop banging on your keyboard? Lot of talk, no action!

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866123]No arguments from me. Carry on SiR.[/QUOTE][B]You are entitled to your own facts. Not your own opinions.[/B]

All comments you make about me are simply your opinion. Since they are not facts we can both be right. Now please tell us more about 2500 THB Bar Fines and 5000-7000 LT sessions. Do you get three nuts out of that or just two?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2866182]Thank you my ISG Brother. You and I are in complete agreement on this subject. And I have had the same experiences as you have. I have received excellent performances from girls who like me. And I have repeated with those girls. And none of my experiences has anything to do with the price point I have set for myself.

That is why I do not negotiate. If a girl does not want to accept my offer, getting her to come down is only going to make resentful she has to fuck me for "little money". [B]Rather have a girl that accepts my offer and then give her a 100 THB tip as a performance bonus![/B].[/QUOTE]Valid points. The ladies I had awesome sessions with and made a connection with text me daily eventhough I'm back home because they want to see me when I return. Whereas the ladies I had blah sessions with disappear or leave the chat on Line once they know I left Thailand. Good boom boom is more about connection and vibes than just looks, preferablly, you find ladies that have both looks and vibes. This is easier to find for the guys who live there or stay long time and that's why said guys develop a legit rotation of ladies. I hope to be that guy one day but for now I'm only in Pattaya for a month or so a year.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2866159]NO. There is a correlation between the way a girl thinks about YOU and performance. However people here are only focus on LOOKS and PRICE. Kinda lame I think.
I fly to Thailand today and got tons of girls lined up. But I know for sure a few will give me a Oscar worthy experience for a reasonable price simply because they "like" me.
You can rent pussy and sex. However its not easy to rent sexually involvement and real passion![/QUOTE]If you are a ego centered man go for the most attractive girl in the bar- that will get you off. I would argue, if you are older male, go for the girl that you feel you have a connection with. Some like the dirtiest. Some like the newbie or the quiet silent type who you know doesn't get BF much therefore horny as fuck.

I have a rigid selection criteria that I stick to and one of my strong rules is if they don't DFK and play a bit in the bar we are not going home.

I learned my lesson in KL when at BC I had a 6 out of 10 throw herself at me. The phrase "I want your baby" came up a few times and nothing was off the table. I ditched her after the first night due to facial looks but looking back I realize I could have had a week of open slather. Fool.

Find out what works for you.

Another tactic I use is I often say I don't HAVE to have sex tonite. It usually floors them and their reaction can be very interesting. There's a lot more psychology in sex than people realize.

Anyway if an 8 out of 10 is sucking your cock does a 10 out of 10 make that sucking so much better? From where I come from where most women are 4 ot of 10 I'm way ahead.

BYVMD.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2865928]Did you really tell this more than likely Indian or Middle Eastern poster to start his search for top shelf models at the gogo bars on WS? Yeah um right. Good luck with making it a few steps near the club before getting pointed away by the guards.[/QUOTE]Unless somebody explicitly provides his nationality, I don't assume based on user name, English composition skill or other indirect evidence.

Moreover, the "Where are the hotties in Pattaya?" query is a staple from guys regardless of their home country. I thought my brief summary of the conventional wisdom would be helpful.

I concede that guys who hail from certain countries often have trouble getting admitted to go-go clubs on Walking Street and elsewhere. This prejudice has been discussed at great length, and I saw no point in going over it again.

I still think people are off the issue.

The issue is how you price a girl for the 1st time. THERE IS ONLY ONEWAY. No its not POPPAsan recommending a girl because her Service is good. Certainly he has no idea how Chemistry will be.

Take two girls Baitoey of Playpen FAME and one of Maggie Mays (take the median looking one, not the best and not the worst), hahahahahahahaha,. Both cost 500 baht.

No wrong answer please participate-Which one are you Buying. You have No idea on service or chemistry.

Again no wrong answer.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866321]I still think people are off the issue.

The issue is how you price a girl for the 1st time. THERE IS ONLY ONEWAY. No its not POPPAsan recommending a girl because her Service is good. Certainly he has no idea how Chemistry will be.

Take two girls Baitoey of Playpen FAME and one of Maggie Mays (take the median looking one, not the best and not the worst), hahahahahahahaha,. Both cost 500 baht.

No wrong answer please participate-Which one are you Buying. You have No idea on service or chemistry.

Again no wrong answer.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course, if two girls are standing naked side by side and the first one is 22 years old, has well-balanced and even facial features, a fit, well-proportioned, slim and curvy body, smooth skin and no big ugly scars while the second one is 47 years old, has a huge chin and thin lips, is 15 kilos overweight with belly flab hanging over her waistband, skin like a cheese grater and baby damage like the map of Paris, it is reasonable to conclude the former can and will earn a higher rating from most punters than the latter.

But that still doesn't mean she would be worth my paying her so much as 100 baht for 1 hour with her if her agreement is No DFK, No BBBJ, No BBFSCIP and No BBBJCIM either if it comes to that instead of BBFSCIP, all done slow, easy, relaxed and no rush at the pace I set.

If my rating of her on looks alone was an 8, the No on those issues will immediately reduce that to a 1 for her as a P4 P provider. If that much. And I will be setting that rating based on what I learn about her upfront before I take her, not after I discover the bad news about her and me in bed.

However, regarding SubCmdr's question:

[B]Does paying more equate to a better sexual experience? Does a more attractive girl (using your personal scale) fuck better?[/B]

Yes, if my offer to pay her more money moves that first girl from a No to a Yes on all of my conditions stated above I believe that would qualify as equating to a better sexual experience with a more attractive girl and inspiring her to fuck better. For me. Even if her heart isn't in it but her desire for more money is, those conditions I cited above would generally create a pretty good imitation of her heart being in it if that is necessary for a better experience.

By contrast, a Yes to everything upfront from the second lady I described above would probably not provide me with a successful sexual experience at any price or even for free or if she paid me, much less a better one. So she would rate let's say a 1 from me on looks alone, also 1 as a P4 P provider. Again, if that.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2866236]
[B]No one said looks are not important.[/B]
What has been said is that looks do not correlate to price paid.
Furthermore everyone values different looks.
[/QUOTE]One could argue that those that focus obsessively on looks might be as shallow as those working who trade solely on their looks.

But as long as both are happy with the deal, the punter for the arm candy, and the worker for the money, well, who is to argue with that being a successful agreement.

Those who instead seek great sexual connection, rapport, and a highly enjoyable time, as I do, set instead minimums that must be met. I have seen them mentioned here many times. Real engagement in the bar, focus on you not you and others, no attempt to milk drinks or engage other girls, and often price mentioned as a finalisation of interest, and of course kissing to a degree and playfulness in the bar before heading upstairs or off to your room These are no guarantee, but are a better starting point. And I invariably score well far more times than not.

Another little aside that has worked well for me for a long time in bars I regularly frequent. I make it clear that I am a regular of the bar, not a girl, and that I will switch around over time, mainly with newbies, as I make it known that is my favorite proposition. With this known, girls don't get attached and try to own me, they remain friends with me, and are at most sad when I move on to new arrivals. If they get too attached, the mamasan or other girls word them up, calm them down, it rarely ever has to be me. The plus side to this is that the mamasan, and the girls, a few who I call my pimps, bring the newbies to me, putting in a good word about going with me. And the sessions with those fresh new girls are generally great as they forget their fears, and I get their honest sexual interest and time.

The side bit that I find the most interesting is that the hotties in the bar have also caught onto all of this vibe in the bar. I have never approached any of them, as I saw them all a little stuck up, over inflated with themselves, and likely for me would be poor fucks in my opinion. But things have a way of working themselves out, and and I have now had many of them, on my terms, without any of the games being played they normally do. They have come to me, then with me, intrigued a little with what is the vibe and why. They all know I am attached, my girlfriends photo as my screensaver and lock screen, so it they know is just about the sex for me, and they decide to try it. They also know I am naughty, nearly always bareback with creampie, as I am cut and cannot make a baby. Many girls bring a condom, have it on the bed, even open it, but 9 out of 10 times it is on the bed it remains, unused, by their decision. I was in my favorite bar two nights ago, with maybe 20 plus girls in the bar working, I counted 14 that I had slept with, all knowing that I had, with maybe just the one that had been with a condom, and all I got from all of them was genuine smiles. Looks can be bought any time, interest in you, and from that good sexual sessions cannot be bought, they are earned.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866321]I still think people are off the issue.

The issue is how you price a girl for the 1st time. THERE IS ONLY ONEWAY. No its not POPPAsan recommending a girl because her Service is good. Certainly he has no idea how Chemistry will be.

Take two girls Baitoey of Playpen FAME and one of Maggie Mays (take the median looking one, not the best and not the worst), hahahahahahahaha,. Both cost 500 baht.

No wrong answer please participate-Which one are you Buying. You have No idea on service or chemistry.

Again no wrong answer.[/QUOTE]I am assuming I am needy, and must take one.

So I would sit and talk and buy a ladydrink to allow that to happen.

The looks are irrelevant in that situation.

But, if I didn't have that choice and I had to take one based on just two photos.

Well, as long as it hit's my minimum looks level, then I would go ugly, as ugly has to work harder to get by, and it is the sexual work level I am after.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2866307]


Another tactic I use is I often say I don't HAVE to have sex tonite. It usually floors them and their reaction can be very interesting. There's a lot more psychology in sex than people realize.



BYVMD.[/QUOTE]We both must have read "The Art of War". I use this tactic a lot and will tell a lady I will take her ST to drinks and dinner. For her price. If I don't like her then no sex.

Freaks 'them out.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2866413]Those who instead seek great sexual connection, rapport, and a highly enjoyable time, as I do, set instead minimums that must be met. I have seen them mentioned here many times.[/QUOTE]I am perfectly comfortable with the randomness of my encounters off of Thai Friendly. If I think a girl has long term potential I will sit her down and tell her we are going to talk for the hour. If I decide that I don't want to continue with her I will give her the amount agreed upon. At the end of the hour, they always ask me if I want to have sex with them. Each time I have done this with a girl the sex has been great!

Sometimes I will pay a girl more based on her appearance. Because I want her. But, that extra payment never leads to better sex in an of itself. Better sex is the result of chemistry. For me, I either have it with a girl or I don't.

Pussy is pussy when it is free. But when I am paying for it I too have minimum requirements. And I really don't give a fuck what others may think about the amount of money I pay when I hire my prostitutes or the comments that are made about where I source them from.

Brethren,

Last year same time when I visited, managed to see three girls in a group on the beach road. One from uzbek and rest two from russia. Uzbek girl a bit heavy but pretty, other one too thin to my liking and the third one was way too pretty. It was around 2 am in and she agreed for 1 k a pop. The more I looked at her, the more pretty she became.

She refused to share details and IG as she works with a high profile photographer and her pics were way too good. Got rid of me by sharing the digits but never responded after. Seems she is still working in pattaya and has a boyfriend as well. She goes by name and I l o f e are.

Coming to the deed, it was okay not bad. A beautiful pussy, figure to die for. Rammed her for about 20 minutes till she started complaining and watching time. Overall a very satisfied myself at 1 K well spent.

Men being men, I have this thing to try every new girl out there. Where can we find russian girls. I get it they are pretty and cold in bed and no match to GFE by thai ladies. Any pointers to just get the checklist complete in pattaya without burning pocket.

Monroe and DejaVue (now closed) will cost a nuke.

Soi 6 2 night report s.

I think it's getting worse in terms of quality. Yes by the only metric that matters, Attractive -ness.

That 375 pounder in a Revealing almost String Bikini is a sight to see. Service Oriented I'm sure. Hahaha. Found at next to Offshore Bar if you are interested. For you who like a bit more attractive her Sister is 300 pounds. Hahaha. More modestly dressed.

Amen, Amen and amen sir.

I like PREtty girls, really pretty girls and will rarely sleep with them. I find them in the bars and buy them a few LD then hit on a less "fashionable" lady who is keen. I may be wrong but of my top 10 Orgasms. 8 or so have been from overperforming average lookers who understand Touch. 2/10 were from a Ukraine MILF when I lived in Budapest. She of the 12/10 body and suckee suking mouth and perfect pussy.

YMMV.

I have some MILF, some TF, some maassage and some GC and Soi 6, Buokao girls lined up for an epic 14 day fuck fest. I'm going to try for 50 O's in 14/15 days / ngihts.

YMMV.

Pics MILF 1.

Bar Girl 1.

Doing god's work, you are….

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2866413]One could argue that those that focus obsessively on looks might be as shallow as those working who trade solely on their looks.

But as long as both are happy with the deal, the punter for the arm candy, and the worker for the money, well, who is to argue with that being a successful agreement.

Those who instead seek great sexual connection, rapport, and a highly enjoyable time, as I do, set instead minimums that must be met. I have seen them mentioned here many times. Real engagement in the bar, focus on you not you and others, no attempt to milk drinks or engage other girls, and often price mentioned as a finalisation of interest, and of course kissing to a degree and playfulness in the bar before heading upstairs or off to your room These are no guarantee, but are a better starting point. And I invariably score well far more times than not.[/QUOTE]

First post here! I wanted to share an experience I had two days ago with a lovely 19-year-old I met on Thai Friendly.

I've been chatting with many girls on Line and TF, and I struck a deal with a few of them for 2000-2300; for a two nut session. These girls are all between the ages of 18 and 23. I am myself a young stud.

Then when a planned girl became a no show, I got this other girl named Ice with a deal for 1000; ST. One nut. Her pictures were not that great, so did not make a 2-nut deal. But then when Ice showed up, she was the cutest stunner with a perfect face. I was "in love". We started things by just chilling on the couch and chatting up while I felt her up. She said that the was 3 months in Pattaya, but before she was in Buriram. She was a straight-from-the-countryside girl.

As expected, this girl could not hold a conversation in English. We just talked in Thai, since I have the super power of talking Thai as a farang. We talked for a long time. Then some foreplay and I ate her up. Good tasting girl. Then sex without condom, since she did not seem to object. Finish in mouth and now I'm a happy guy. I kept asking her to stay over, and she agreed. We order food and watch Thailand Trip Vlogs on Youtube. Then sex again. And again. And then sleep.

I wake up earlier and do some book reading while she was sleeping. We later engaged in morning bedroom activities and continued our day by ordering food and watching TV. Then I had my remote work start at 15:00, but she kept staying around. Laying on the sofa, playing on the phone and napping. I told her that I don't want a girlfriend, just a fuck-friend. We agreed to meet on the next weekend. Might go clubbing with her and her friends.

We had not agreed on a price for Long Time, but I gave her 2200 in the end, although she was worth much much more.

Condo Happenings.

Terminal 22.

3 new projects. All manned by 1,000 baht calibur girls if you catch my Drift.

Where Have All the Hotties Gone.

Soi 6 is not as Simple as I thought.

The reason many are hesitant about being barfined for a measly 1 k or 1. 5 k is because they are getting 7 k longtime from Singaporeans.

Barfine for long time is 1,500 baht. 400 is only for onsite Barfines.

Singaporeans ate claiming 6th Soi is full of Hot girls which jives with the girls I see they are Barfining. Most don't look like that Hot Playpen girl.

Not clear but they may have to hit a daily drink qupta before a Long time.

The Price has Gone up Chat. Gnomesaying.

[QUOTE=DonaldDon;2866636]We had not agreed on a price for Long Time, but I gave her 2200 in the end, although she was worth much much more.[/QUOTE]How much was she worth?

Hello all,

I have never been to Pattaya or Bangkok, but visiting for the first time next month.

Retired American. Been mongering a long time, currently living in Manila. I have many girls on rotation here in Manila, and I also have a very serious Filipina girlfriend of 3 years. She's bi and enjoys fucking other girls, threesomes, etc. We essentially have an open relationship. We visited Phuket last year and together fucked multiple girls, soapy massage with 2 girls, etc.

We are heading to Pattaya for my birthday next month. Girlfriend and I are plotting our good times in Pattaya. I'm hoping the soapy massage places or Japanese massage places will welcome a couple and we can gather 2 girls and head upstairs. Are couples welcomed? The girls play with girls? Any recommendations?

Girlfriend and I have 1 week in Pattaya, then she heads home. I have a 2 week spiritual retreat, then I go to Bangkok 1 day before flying home.

So I'll have 1 night alone in Pattaya and then 1 night alone in Bangkok. I'm more of a freelancer kind of guy, young, petite. I'm hoping for threesomes on each of my solo nights. I typically go raw with a creampie finish, as I'm cut and a potential father no longer. Should I go for a solo girl or do I have a chance with a threesome, no condom?

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866681]Soi 6 is not as Simple as I thought.

The reason many are hesitant about being barfined for a measly 1 k or 1. 5 k is because they are getting 7 k longtime from Singaporeans.

Barfine for long time is 1,500 baht. 400 is only for onsite Barfines.

Singaporeans ate claiming 6th Soi is full of Hot girls which jives with the girls I see they are Barfining. Most don't look like that Hot Playpen girl.

Not clear but they may have to hit a daily drink qupta before a Long time.

The Price has Gone up Chat. Gnomesaying.[/QUOTE]Your post is not 100% understandable.

If a Soi 6 lady is still in the bar, she's not getting 7 K baht for Long Time, so why should she care if you want to go with her Short Time?

But yes, if there is some ethnic group paying crazy money for Soi 6 ladies, that ultimately will be the end of Soi 6.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2866805]Hello all,

I have never been to Pattaya or Bangkok, but visiting for the first time next month.

Retired American. Been mongering a long time, currently living in Manila. I have many girls on rotation here in Manila, and I also have a very serious Filipina girlfriend of 3 years. She's bi and enjoys fucking other girls, threesomes, etc. We essentially have an open relationship. We visited Phuket last year and together fucked multiple girls, soapy massage with 2 girls, etc.

We are heading to Pattaya for my birthday next month. Girlfriend and I are plotting our good times in Pattaya. I'm hoping the soapy massage places or Japanese massage places will welcome a couple and we can gather 2 girls and head upstairs. Are couples welcomed? The girls play with girls? Any recommendations?

Girlfriend and I have 1 week in Pattaya, then she heads home. I have a 2 week spiritual retreat, then I go to Bangkok 1 day before flying home..[/QUOTE]Up to you.

Do what you want.

If your Filipina girlfriend available?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2866752]How much was she worth?[/QUOTE]I would normally expect at least 3000. But she was very careless about her price. I initially sent her a message like "1000 if you come now" and she took the bate. Most girls I'm interested in typically charge at least 1500 for ST. Paying 2200 for around 18 hours and getting four nuts is a great deal, especially considering her youth and beauty.

Just tonight I had a Thai friendly girl come over that I have agreed a 2 nut session for 2300 a long time ago, but was finally able to get my anticipated date with this beauty. A 19-year old looker with a large sexy back tattoo. Thai girls seem to get them early. After arranging the date for tonight, she said that she wants to bring her "little sister" along. I was ecstatic. Have never had a threesome before. The friend was a cute 18-year old, also with a large back tattoo. She asked for 3000 for both, but I said 2500 and got the deal. 2500,2 young beauties, 2 nuts. Pattaya is heaven for real.

Once I meet them downstairs in the lobby I tried to play it cool, but was really in shock. We sit and talk on the sofa. Feel them up. One girl goes to the toilet and I start undressing the other one. Make her blow me and then the friend comes and joins the fun. One on the staff and one on the balls. Start with the 18-year old. Good fuck. But I preferred the 19-year old with larger tits and good face bone structure that I liked. Made them share the same condom. One pussy to the other. Then Miss-18 rode me while I DFK Miss-19. They complained that it hurt and wanted me to finish quickly. I take Miss-19 in doggy and finish.

In before session #2 I smoke my spliff and make the girls some cup noodles. We watch some TV. Tried to make them play some video games with me but it was really not their thing. Then for session #2 I just fuck the 19-year old. Even though she kept complaining about a stomach ache she had from some food she ate before. Super hot girl. Miss-18 just watches us this time and plays on her phone. They did try to take the price up to 3000, due to the long time it took for me to finish. But I just said that I will give them a tip instead.

I ended up paying them 2700 for the fun. But probably worth more. Not sure how much doubles usually goes for, but would guess at least 3500? Maybe 3000 if lucky. Anyways, a night to remember for sure.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866681]Soi 6 is not as Simple as I thought.

The reason many are hesitant about being barfined for a measly 1 k or 1. 5 k is because they are getting 7 k longtime from Singaporeans.

Barfine for long time is 1,500 baht. 400 is only for onsite Barfines.

Singaporeans ate claiming 6th Soi is full of Hot girls which jives with the girls I see they are Barfining. Most don't look like that Hot Playpen girl.

Not clear but they may have to hit a daily drink qupta before a Long time.

The Price has Gone up Chat. Gnomesaying.[/QUOTE]And by reading all those "strategies" some BMs here suggest in order to get lower price / better performance you can really tell things are going downhill.

[QUOTE=Buck011;2866895]And by reading all those "strategies" some BMs here suggest in order to get lower price / better performance you can really tell things are going downhill.[/QUOTE]The issue on Soi 6 are the East Asians who overpay.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2866681]Soi 6 is not as Simple as I thought.

The reason many are hesitant about being barfined for a measly 1 k or 1. 5 k is because they are getting 7 k longtime from Singaporeans.

Barfine for long time is 1,500 baht. 400 is only for onsite Barfines.

Singaporeans ate claiming 6th Soi is full of Hot girls which jives with the girls I see they are Barfining. Most don't look like that Hot Playpen girl.

Not clear but they may have to hit a daily drink qupta before a Long time.

The Price has Gone up Chat. Gnomesaying.[/QUOTE]Just curious how do you know they are Singaporeans?

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2819018]ITake LK Metro for example, two more go-gos have gone up in recent months (Las Vegas and LK Angels). [/QUOTE]Does anyone have a review of Las Vegas Agogo which I think was open bar beer Time Bar before and Angels LK (formerly Dolls LK and Kaos before that)? I don't recall reading any reviews good or bad of either gogo bar.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2866984]The issue on Soi 6 are the East Asians who overpay.[/QUOTE]

You can't blame them really. Even if they overpay it's still cheaper for them than a soapie and they aren't shunned like they are at a gogo.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2866984]The issue on Soi 6 are the East Asians who overpay.[/QUOTE]East Asians are overpaying now? Hasn't it always been reported that they are continually bargain hunting and always trying to underpay and ask girls to go with three or more of them for a reduced rate? What happened?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2867154]East Asians are overpaying now? [/QUOTE]They've been overpaying on Soi 6 since COVID. When COVID hit Soi 6 lacked customers so Indians became accepted but at a higher cost. A much more astute ISG member who lives in Pattaya pointed this out to me.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2867154]East Asians are overpaying now? Hasn't it always been reported that they are continually bargain hunting and always trying to underpay and ask girls to go with three or more of them for a reduced rate? What happened?[/QUOTE]I think you may be referring to South Asians rather than East Asians. According to Wikipedia the modern states of East Asia include China, Japan, Mongolia, North Korea, South Korea, and Taiwan. Hong Kong and Macau, two small coastal cities located in the south of China, are autonomous regions under Chinese sovereignty.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2867148]You can't blame them really. Even if they overpay it's still cheaper for them than a soapie and they aren't shunned like they are at a gogo.[/QUOTE]It is also cheaper than back home!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2867098]Visa free entry starts for Indians, lasting until May 10.

Yet another reason not to visit Thailand during high season LOL.

The image I have seared in my mind was staying at a hotel around South Pattaya. At the breakfast spread, a pot bellied Indian walked around the spread touching and putting back food (french toast, breads) on the trays and then adjusting his package. All this was done non chalantly. Leading me to believe that the guy probably doesn't even know what he was doing is wrong. And thinking back on the crazy things I have seen some of them do the last few years, I came to the conclusion that their lack of ettiquete and decorum is just the way things are in India and so they don't even know what they're doing is against the norms of society outside India. The Indians from the US are certainly not like the Indians from India.[/QUOTE]Why are you generalizating.

I am from India and I have seen a US guy behaviour in bar, removing a girl bra from back knot.

So all Americans do it?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2867154]East Asians are overpaying now? Hasn't it always been reported that they are continually bargain hunting and always trying to underpay and ask girls to go with three or more of them for a reduced rate? What happened?[/QUOTE]Indians are South Asians.

They don't overpay on Soi 6. They do clog up the street, as they are constantly walking up and down the soi, never entering the bars.

East Asians include the guys from South Korea, who do overpay. If you want to know the long term impact of South Koreans, read the Angeles City topic, where the Koreans drove it into the ground.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2867154]East Asians are overpaying now? Hasn't it always been reported that they are continually bargain hunting and always trying to underpay and ask girls to go with three or more of them for a reduced rate? What happened?[/QUOTE]The behavior described by Mr. Turgid is usually ascribed to our friends from the subcontinent. India is, of course, in South-West Asia. When I see "East Asia," I read that as a reference to Korean and Japan. Sometimes those countries are described as being in "North-East Asia." Singapore, I think, should be considered "South-East Asia."

Yours in pendantry.

Bunky

I'm sitting at Playpen hoping to get a glimpse of the Loch Ness Monster (Baitoey). Failed Again -.

Next door at Repent there's a girl I would pay her ask of 2,500. Fairly proportional,. No outlier gaps or anything, ex. Space between eyes is acceptable, no Nana Schoolgirl thighs.

She looks my way for 5 seconds but doesn't make eye contact. Mixed signals,. Is she disgusted with me or is she trying to attract me. Sometimes the disinterested are FUN and sometimes they aren't. Monger Problems.

The only reason to go into a Bukao Agogo is to sit in air conditioning. You won't be Disappointed. Hahaha.

Only girls [URL]Sub.com[/URL] would go for and call them HOT.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2867148]Does anyone have a review of Las Vegas Agogo which I think was open bar beer Time Bar before and Angels LK (formerly Dolls LK and Kaos before that)? I don't recall reading any reviews good or bad of either gogo bar.



You can't blame them really. Even if they overpay it's still cheaper for them than a soapie and they aren't shunned like they are at a gogo.[/QUOTE]I've been in there twice when it open about a month ago the place set up large stage reminds me of Angel witch. Nothing special typical but a friend I know likes the place? A few young a few old big stage not a lot of girls or nudity.

Saw a sign last night LK end Soi Diana across a empty lot with a sign Las Vegas Beergarden? Couldn't make out Thai writing selling or tenting?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2866984]The issue on Soi 6 are the East Asians who overpay.[/QUOTE]I have been accused of overpaying and underpaying. I am highly aware of the former as I feel it a crime to my fellow p4 p mates that we keep the playing field even so that there is always a decent supply / demand value market. I saw Pattaya 1st hand for several weeks in Oct and I'm back today, where bar after bar had 10-12-20 girls and only 3 or 4 punters yet said bars wanted 2 k Baht BF rates early in the evening, even 1 k at 11 pm. What business would I be taking if I took 1 girl and the other 3 blokes took 3 girls at an early hour. There would still be 10-15 girls and now no punters and the bar would at least have some $ for their troubles.

This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other, and as low as 1200 for a beautiful former bar girl for 2 hours. Most TF ladies were quoting me 3 k for 1 pop up to a week ago and now many are 1200-1500ST, 2500 LT etc. I tell the overyhyped 3 k ladies that they're simply not attractive enough and there will be zero business for them unless they get down to market rates. I keep telling them each and every time one tells me she wants 3 k ST, 7 K LT.

Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=Samarth;2867178]Why are you generalizating.

I am from India and I have seen a US guy behaviour in bar, removing a girl bra from back knot.

So all Americans do it?[/QUOTE]I bet you cannot find a single guy on this site who hasn't had a bad experience with an Indian in Thailand. I am excluding Indian Americans.

The location is very tight, but I think the location of Angel right now which is next to Iris Rover was something other than Kaos or Dolls, Walking around last night I popped in to check out Angel I followed another Farang curtain pull open I noticed there was only one inside and no nudity so I did a reverse and told the guy I'll come back. There is still a Dolls but it is two doors down from Angel, can't remember the place in between an outside bar called Racer.

I noticed Bachelor is closed now so has Champagne for some time I did a reverse and went into Kinks, two customers downstairs upstairs more lots of old guys like myself larger location than Windmill getting lap dances and feeling up the girls. Beer Chang 170 baht guys looking for trophies as you know won't find it here.

Kind of waiting for Fever GoGo to open I heard it was Korean M-owned signage under Fever correct?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2867271]The location is very tight, but I think the location of Angel right now which is next to Iris Rover was something other than Kaos or Dolls, [/QUOTE]You are correct. In my mind Kaos is beside iRovers cause I used to order my food from iRovers then pop into Kaos for a bit of free fun not even a drink needed. Always a fun free 20 minutes.

Too bad Bachelor closed. That was the hidden gem of skanky bars that no one ever talked about. One I kept close to the vest too. Went daily if they had a hot girl working that week.

Champagne too. Another hidden gem of a gogo bar. Lots of girls too.

Gogo bar I miss the most in LK is Ninja.

[QUOTE=GatorAk;2867252]I bet you cannot find a single guy on this site who hasn't had a bad experience with an Indian in Thailand. I am excluding Indian Americans.[/QUOTE]Blaming entire group of people based on individual experiences is perpetuate stereotypes which is typical for you guys.

Keep it a mongering fourm and act like a grown up.

Although the number of customers in Pattaya is ramping up, the huge number of new bars is making it difficult for some bars to make any money.

So, the top tier ladies are busy (true for every High Season), but the rest are hurting for customers.

Once again, the number of new bars in Pattaya is astounding. But most are empty.

No harm, I just hope those melons are natural and delicious.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2867251]
This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other,
Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.

YMMV.[/QUOTE]

I feel for you CG33, its important to travel and broaden your horizons.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2867098]Visa free entry starts for Indians, lasting until May 10.

Yet another reason not to visit Thailand during high season LOL.

The image I have seared in my mind was staying at a hotel around South Pattaya. At the breakfast spread, a pot bellied Indian walked around the spread touching and putting back food (french toast, breads) on the trays and then adjusting his package. All this was done non chalantly. Leading me to believe that the guy probably doesn't even know what he was doing is wrong. And thinking back on the crazy things I have seen some of them do the last few years, I came to the conclusion that their lack of ettiquete and decorum is just the way things are in India and so they don't even know what they're doing is against the norms of society outside India. The Indians from the US are certainly not like the Indians from India.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2867224]Next door at Repent there's a girl I would pay her ask of 2,500. Fairly proportional,. No outlier gaps or anything, ex. Space between eyes is acceptable, no Nana Schoolgirl thighs.

She looks my way for 5 seconds but doesn't make eye contact. Mixed signals,. Is she disgusted with me or is she trying to attract me. Sometimes the disinterested are FUN and sometimes they aren't. Monger Problems.[/QUOTE]Repent girls are one of a kind. After walking up and down the soi for 1 month I could attract the attention of only one of them, a fully tattoed one.

Try this fellow monger's tactic next time, watch him pop-up at 1. 04 and look the outcome at 3. 22, the best tactics to get these sweet p*ssies.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8hQCfBZwj4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2867192]East Asians include the guys from South Korea, who do overpay. If you want to know the long term impact of South Koreans, read the Angeles City topic, where the Koreans drove it into the ground.[/QUOTE]I didn't read the Angeles City thread but I think the only way they would drive the 6 to the ground is if they take control of the majority of the soi, which means owning the bars.

For the moment there's only one bar we've heard is owned by Koreans (Panda), I also know of one NW manager (Repent) but these guys have no power at all except if he buy a bar in the future.

So they just got the daily streamers and the customers, which for the moment seems to be driving prices up dramatically.

The obvious outcome is that other customers who don't want to overpay (or don't want to play the drink game) will move to other grounds, and these guys (along with other overpaying Asians) will keep the soi for themselves but prices cannot go up indefinitaly.

It will just change the soi from being a place to get good value for your bucks to a premium place to bang chicks.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2867251]I have been accused of overpaying and underpaying. I am highly aware of the former as I feel it a crime to my fellow p4 p mates that we keep the playing field even so that there is always a decent supply / demand value market. I saw Pattaya 1st hand for several weeks in Oct and I'm back today, where bar after bar had 10-12-20 girls and only 3 or 4 punters yet said bars wanted 2 k Baht BF rates early in the evening, even 1 k at 11 pm. What business would I be taking if I took 1 girl and the other 3 blokes took 3 girls at an early hour. There would still be 10-15 girls and now no punters and the bar would at least have some $ for their troubles.

This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other, and as low as 1200 for a beautiful former bar girl for 2 hours. Most TF ladies were quoting me 3 k for 1 pop up to a week ago and now many are 1200-1500ST, 2500 LT etc. I tell the overyhyped 3 k ladies that they're simply not attractive enough and there will be zero business for them unless they get down to market rates. I keep telling them each and every time one tells me she wants 3 k ST, 7 K LT.

Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.

YMMV.[/QUOTE]Her bottom half of face looks ok. Can we see other half.

For me I'm not into Silli Cones so I'd pass.

Not Hating you Haters.

[QUOTE=GatorAk;2867252]I bet you cannot find a single guy on this site who hasn't had a bad experience with an Indian in Thailand. I am excluding Indian Americans.[/QUOTE]I had a nice experience the other day with one of them. He bumped into me and apologized Profusely I thought I had been pick pocketed.

I found it odd as he nor me was really at fault.

I will be spending 5 days in Pattaya within the next few months.

Can anyone confirm that this hotel is girl friendly and will allow me to bring multiple girls from TF up to the room every day?

Royal Palace Hotel Pattaya.

Pattaya Sai Song Rd, Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20260, Thailand.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2867235]I've been in there twice when it open about a month ago the place set up large stage reminds me of Angel witch. Nothing special typical but a friend I know likes the place? A few young a few old big stage not a lot of girls or nudity.

Saw a sign last night LK end Soi Diana across a empty lot with a sign Las Vegas Beergarden? Couldn't make out Thai writing selling or tenting?[/QUOTE]The owner of Las Vegas is turning the empty lot into 10 beer bars that he will have others lease out. Those who, lease a bar; They will manage their own bars and staff.

The gentleman obviously suffers from the peculiar British habit of apologizing when someone steps on their toes.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2867374]I had a nice experience the other day with one of them. He bumped into me and apologized Profusely I thought I had been pick pocketed.

I found it odd as he nor me was really at fault.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2867454]I will be spending 5 days in Pattaya within the next few months.

Can anyone confirm that this hotel is girl friendly and will allow me to bring multiple girls from TF up to the room every day?

Royal Palace Hotel Pattaya.

Pattaya Sai Song Rd, Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20260, Thailand.[/QUOTE]This is one of the few places where they need ID before. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2867359]Repent girls are one of a kind. After walking up and down the soi for 1 month I could attract the attention of only one of them, a fully tattoed one.

Try this fellow monger's tactic next time, watch him pop-up at 1. 04 and look the outcome at 3. 22, the best tactics to get these sweet p*ssies.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8hQCfBZwj4[/URL][/QUOTE]Paolo, you're not getting attention cause the girls have seen you walk up and down Soi 6 for a month. That's why when I go to Soi 6 alone I make 1 or max 2 fly by's and either call it quits for the day or go into a bar for an hour and DFK a girl. I know guys who walk up and down the soi 6+ times without going with any girl. Girls notice that really fast and will even look away. Same for Pasteur Street in Ho Chi Minh. First walk through and you're hit with 100's of girls wanting you. Second walk through within the hour and maybe only 20 girls approach you.

I don't see what tactics he's using other than avoiding the ugly girl with the pandas in her hair trying to pull him into Repent. I can't believe he actually went in with her. No wonder I'm harassed so much with girls grabbing me as I walk down Soi 6 alone. Don't fall for this tactic guys. Go with the best looking girl, not the most aggressive girl who grabs your dick.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2867495]Paolo, you're not getting attention cause the girls have seen you walk up and down Soi 6 for a month.[/QUOTE]No, I walk the soi just one time, sometimes I don't even make the come back. And I don't go there everyday, most of the times I see different girls standing in front of the bars. Each bar has around 20 girls at least, it's not always the same girls standing outside.

I'm not getting their attention because I'm not from the ethnic group these girls are looking for, especially in that area of the soi with bars like Horny, Flirt and Repent.

Besides, when was the last time you've been there? Things are changing with time passing you know.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2867495]I don't see what tactics he's using other than avoiding the ugly girl with the pandas in her hair trying to pull him into Repent. I can't believe he actually went in with her. No wonder I'm harassed so much with girls grabbing me as I walk down Soi 6 alone. Don't fall for this tactic guys. Go with the best looking girl, not the most aggressive girl who grabs your dick.[/QUOTE]I used the word tactics as a joke, at least he got what he was looking for, being dragged in a bar and spending time with some of the girls.

But I see something there.

First he is Korean (the preferred group) so he can take that approach. And he pretends to be walking there without caring about what's around him while it's obvious he is looking for a girl.

Secondly he is pretending to resist but not too much, because he was open to be dragged in.

And third, his tactics also consists of filling his pockets with multiple 1 K baht notes, because now he's got at least 4 LDs to pay for.

Anyway it shows how much these girls are looking for this kind of guy while they are ignoring everybody else.

And good luck going with the best looking girl these days, the best looking girl is never available unless you go there in the afternoon maybe, plus you'll have to deal with her attitude, and pay her price (if she wants to go with you).

What's your experience with TF girls? Do they usually look like their photos?

Do you usually do some extra screening like a video call or meet them in public before inviting them to your hotel? Just to make sure photos are accurate.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2867251]
Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.

YMMV.[/QUOTE]Nice rack. Kindly let us know if the performance meets or exceeds expectations.

[QUOTE=GatorAk;2867252]I bet you cannot find a single guy on this site who hasn't had a bad experience with an Indian in Thailand. I am excluding Indian Americans.[/QUOTE]I have a ton of examples. There's a certain point where it's not generalizing. There's been Indians themseves in this forum that have commented on the behavior of Indians.

Another awesome example was last year staying at Siam at Siam. Overheard a hotel manager in the room of a group of Indians telling them they have to pay for ruining the water pot. Apparently they were boiliny curry in it haha. Can't make this stuff up.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2867359]Repent girls are one of a kind. After walking up and down the soi for 1 month I could attract the attention of only one of them, a fully tattoed one.

Try this fellow monger's tactic next time, watch him pop-up at 1. 04 and look the outcome at 3. 22, the best tactics to get these sweet p*ssies.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8hQCfBZwj4[/URL][/QUOTE]Has to be Staged. The main Girl in the Video is a regular and is no Way in San Jose that aggressive.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2867328]Although the number of customers in Pattaya is ramping up, the huge number of new bars is making it difficult for some bars to make any money.

So, the top tier ladies are busy (true for every High Season), but the rest are hurting for customers.

Once again, the number of new bars in Pattaya is astounding. But most are empty.[/QUOTE]Not Ramping up.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2867520]What's your experience with TF girls? Do they usually look like their photos?[/QUOTE]My experience with girls from [B]Thai Friendly[/B] have been positive. I do not worry about the girl in the photo looking exactly like the girl that shows up at my door. Because I have been taking pictures from the time only black and white film was affordable and I know the tricks of the trade. A picture is a moment in time. A girl can appear different in a photo from her 3-the self in real iife simply from the camera angle and lighting.

I have had girls show up that were not the girl in the picture. They have been more attractive than in the picture. The performance of the girls from [B]Thai Friendly[/B] have been exceptional overall. Of course because I don't bring a suitcase of money to Soi 6 or a gogo bar to pay bar fines and then outrageous fees to have a girl sleep next to me overnight there are those posing in this forum that will disparage the appearance of the girls I hire to be my prostitutes. Nothing could be further from the truth. I suspect that behavior occurs because the individuals who engage in it are trying to make themselves feel better by putting others down. I don't worry about it. Cause MY dick just keeps getting off.

Man Law 101: [B]No grown man should be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who to fuck.[/B].

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2867520]Do you usually do some extra screening like a video call or meet them in public before inviting them to your hotel? Just to make sure photos are accurate.[/QUOTE]I do not usually do that but that does not mean that you can't. Some actually suggest that you do a video call. But what is that going to tell you. Unless they are dressed up for ho in the moment you make the call you are not going to see the girl as she ultimately is going to present herself. If you like doggy style you are not going to be able to see how her ass looks when she is "en cuatro" in a video call. I have all girls come right to my door. They suck my dick, I fuck them, I cum in their mouth. I pay them. They leave.

I do a two step procedure. I have them come to my building and have them contact me. After the contact me I give the the information to locate my room in written and picture form. Never had a problem with a girl finding my room. Some have asked for me to come get them. I do that. It is not a problem.

Now of course, I could not make a post about This Friendly girls without addressing the price. For me it is 1000ST with a 100 bonus for performance. [B]Pay what you want. It is your money and your dick.[/B] Just don't be a critic. Most of all enjoy and report.

Last night girl came over off of Thai Friendly. 1000ST. Earned her bonus. Boring for some I know who need the action of the bars. Personally I don't need that. 30 minute pussy delivery from [B]Thai Friendly[/B] keeps my dick satisfied.

This is unusual, even for me:

I had a lady over in the afternoon. We drank, did our thing, and now it was early evening, and I told her I had another lady coming soon. She didn't leave.

The second lady showed up, and the three of us drank (until I ran out of liquor). So now it was late at night, and the first lady finally left 10 hours after she arrived.

I have never had a lady hang around so long after we were done.

Along the way, she had plenty of bargirl stories, some shocking, but I don't remember them. And she had one lonely guy constantly sending her messages from his home country, which irritated her.

Be careful out there. For more context go to AseanNews. Pattaya section.

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The tourist told police through a translation application that he had gone to a beer bar in Soi 6 and paid a 4,200 baht bar fine to take the woman to his hotel.

Upon arriving there she made a phone call and spoke in Thai, which he could not follow, after which the two men showed up and attacked him before riding off on their motorcycle.

So he got robbed twice.

Kinda curious what happened to the woman. Did she ride off with the attackers, or what?

Praying it wasnt Baitoey. I admit it I think Baitioey is HOT.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2867455]The owner of Las Vegas is turning the empty lot into 10 beer bars that he will have others lease out. Those who, lease a bar; They will manage their own bars and staff.[/QUOTE]Go luck to them, guess the Beer Bars crowd will be happy, I'm not one of them maybe the location across from LK, will help but Beer Bars is already all along Soi Diana. Then beer bar complex was it called Action Street? Failed badly up further Soi Baukhao.

Arrived Friday night.

The flags are back. Tour guide carries a flag, and 20 or so Asians (probably Chinese) follow them on a tour. Walking Street was packed with people. People with baby strollers, kind of funny.

Walked into XS. Saw a stunner on stage. Placed was totally packed. Didn't want to sit cheek to cheek with guys, so I left.

Walked into Shark Go-Go. Ordered a beer. Didn't notice at first, but this Korean was videotaping, and doing commentary. WTF! There's a sign that says no pictures or video. I don't want to be on youtube. Fuck the Shark Go-go. I will not return to that bar!

Dollhouse was closed. A shame. Probably my favorite for nudity / show / quality combo. The girls weren't that cute, but cuter than Windmill.

Windmill 2 is opened. It's across Windmill 1. It wasn't as crowded as the old Windmill 1 was peviously. Didn't go to Windmill 1 last night.

Baby (across Dollhouse) is still closed. I think they're remodeling. That bar was raunchy.

Where has all the raunchy bars gone? Only Windmill and Kink? Last year, the "Silver" bars around Soi 8 was closed.

Sugar on Walking Street is still closed. That was my favorite bar for quality and full nudity on Walking Street. 2 or 3 other bars on Walking Street that had full nudity is no more. Are there any bars on Walking Street that still has full nudity?

A bit off-topic but a warning so no one gets caught off guard having their holiday ruined.

I happen to be at a meeting in regard to Immigration this week. In Jomtien, effective October reports so far have been inconsistent but the news is in regard to the TM47.

This form is normally filled out by the hotel to immigration. It has been on the books since 1979, but has never been an issue Jomtien now has made a big issue of it a few years back it was the same old stuff.

The report must be made within or within 24 hours by the hotel. At Jomtien immigration there are changes in the waiting area or outside the main building parking lot is no more it has a number of offices broken down into departments. Outside of doing your 90 reports or obtaining a TM47, you need to Q up at the information desk to get into the main building for a Visa extension.

Those who reside at a Hotel, resort, or Airbnb, and don't stay longer than 30 days generally do not need to worry but if you decide to stay longer and need to make a visit without the TM47 you will run into a problem. The key although it is the responsibility of the hotel, owner if you don't have a TM47, you will need to pay 2000 in a fine.

For those who use Airbnb legit, the owner should have no problem presenting a copy of the ownership book, and their I. The. , if one is renting from a foreigner foreigner they will need to show proof of a Work Permit. No service will be provided without the TM47 in your passport.

If you own and live in a Condo, once all your documents are in order and obtained if you leave the country when returning you need not make another report for a new TM-47, living here everything under her name every time I leave the country return must make a new TM-47.

I do my 90-day report online, The next report is in December, told when I try the next time will ask to upload all the documents approved before granted another 90 days. If rejected I will need to go down to Jomtien immigration and sort it out.

There is a TM-47 website which is what Hotels uses to report their guest told to try to create an account by uploading required documents so I can register each time instead of going down to Jomtien.

Again, if you don't need services at Jomtien no worry but if you want to extend later?

Another headache living here it never stops. $$.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2867517]Besides, when was the last time you've been there? Things are changing with time passing you know.
[/QUOTE]May 2023 but that was only a short 1 week visit. I cancelled my trip September 2023 cause of family matters. My last extended trip was when Thailand extended the Visa to 45 days so October / November 2022 I think. Don't plan on returning until February 2024 and even that is up in the air now. Thailand has lost a lot of its appeal to me after living there for many years. Jacking the Thai Elite visa price 50% to 6,000 USD per year for 5 years was sort of the last straw.

Yes things are always changing for the worst in Thailand and every other country as well. Japan used to be expensive but now I find it aligned with many of these 3rd world countries plus Japanese working girls are much prettier imo and clearly a better lifestyle in Japan.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2867517]And good luck going with the best looking girl these days, the best looking girl is never available unless you go there in the afternoon maybe, plus you'll have to deal with her attitude, and pay her price (if she wants to go with you).[/QUOTE]Maybe that's the difference it is very rare I stay on Soi 6 past 5 pm. When I go there are almost no guys there except the regulars at Ruby Bar. I go home and get ready to be at a gogo bar around 7:30 pm.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2867615]
Those who reside at a Hotel, resort, or Airbnb, and don't stay longer than 30 days generally do not need to worry but if you decide to stay longer and need to make a visit without the TM47 you will run into a problem. The key although it is the responsibility of the hotel, owner if you don't have a TM47, you will need to pay 2000 in a fine.[/QUOTE]

Can you get a confirmation receipt from hotels the next day to confirm they have reported you to Immigration?

So is the penalty only a 2000 baht fine if no one filed a TM47? I will still get a 30 day extension as long as I pay 2000 baht?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2867631]May 2023 but that was only a short 1 week visit. I cancelled my trip September 2023 cause of family matters. My last extended trip was when Thailand extended the Visa to 45 days so October / November 2022 I think. Don't plan on returning until February 2024 and even that is up in the air now. Thailand has lost a lot of its appeal to me after living there for many years. Jacking the Thai Elite visa price 50% to 6,000 USD per year for 5 years was sort of the last straw.

Yes things are always changing for the worst in Thailand and every other country as well. Japan used to be expensive but now I find it aligned with many of these 3rd world countries plus Japanese working girls are much prettier imo and clearly a better lifestyle in Japan.

Maybe that's the difference it is very rare I stay on Soi 6 past 5 pm. When I go there are almost no guys there except the regulars at Ruby Bar. I go home and get ready for a gogo bar around 7:30 pm.



Can you get a confirmation receipt from hotels the next day to confirm they have reported you to Immigration?

So is the penalty only a 2000 baht fine if no one filed a TM47? I will still get a 30 day extension as long as I pay 2000 baht?[/QUOTE]If the hotel is doing or following the law they should have no problem providing or give you a screen shot.

I have heard that after you pay the 2000 you can get extension.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2867455]The owner of Las Vegas is turning the empty lot into 10 beer bars that he will have others lease out. Those who, lease a bar; They will manage their own bars and staff.[/QUOTE]A full scam. YOu "buy" the opportunity to RENT a place. Have to hire staff yourself. However they control EVERYTHING. Music all.

Typical thailand. And suckers enough who buy that bullshit.

Only one who is making money there will be LasVegas / Mayflower.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2867631]Japan used to be expensive but now I find it aligned with many of these 3rd world countries plus Japanese working girls are much prettier imo and clearly a better lifestyle in Japan.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that, think I'm going to start reading the Japanese thread then.

Never considered Japan because I always thought it's too expensive.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2867631] that's the difference it is very rare I stay on Soi 6 past 5 pm. When I go there are almost no guys there except the regulars at Ruby Bar. I go home and get ready to be at a gogo bar around 7:30 pm.[/QUOTE]Yes, probably a huge difference going there in afternoon instead of 8 or 9 pm and it makes sense in many aspects too, but untill now, I really had a hard time moving my *ss to that soi before the evening. Surely I'll have to make that effort in my next trip.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2867359]Repent girls are one of a kind. After walking up and down the soi for 1 month I could attract the attention of only one of them, a fully tattoed one.

Try this fellow monger's tactic next time, watch him pop-up at 1. 04 and look the outcome at 3. 22, the best tactics to get these sweet p*ssies.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8hQCfBZwj4[/URL][/QUOTE]I have got a much better way to attract their attention. Wait for it. It may shock you. Are you ready? This is serious top secret stuff. Don't share this with anyone else or you will be killed. Others shared and were never seen again. Ok, are you ready? Last chance to change your mind. Okay, here goes. Go inside. Buy them a drink, and then short time them. Bingo.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2867251]I have been accused of overpaying and underpaying. I am highly aware of the former as I feel it a crime to my fellow p4 p mates that we keep the playing field even so that there is always a decent supply / demand value market. I saw Pattaya 1st hand for several weeks in Oct and I'm back today, where bar after bar had 10-12-20 girls and only 3 or 4 punters yet said bars wanted 2 k Baht BF rates early in the evening, even 1 k at 11 pm. What business would I be taking if I took 1 girl and the other 3 blokes took 3 girls at an early hour. There would still be 10-15 girls and now no punters and the bar would at least have some $ for their troubles.

This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other, and as low as 1200 for a beautiful former bar girl for 2 hours. Most TF ladies were quoting me 3 k for 1 pop up to a week ago and now many are 1200-1500ST, 2500 LT etc. I tell the overyhyped 3 k ladies that they're simply not attractive enough and there will be zero business for them unless they get down to market rates. I keep telling them each and every time one tells me she wants 3 k ST, 7 K LT..[/QUOTE]I have been with this one several times. I made a video with her too. BBFS CIP. Wonderful melons.

This sixth Soi is not all lost.

It's just Fun staying in a Bar 30 minutes soaking up the sights and smells. A little drink bought or tip never hurts anyone.

I hear some Thai Rock and Roll beyond Sek Loso and I'm.

Impressed. Kind of the Motley Crue days of Yore.

I would like to describe this gents club to you guys. I was in there with a group of guys. The place is just crazy. They have a nice big sofa there that a group of guys can sit with the girls. Five minutes after walking in, we had 4 hot ladies sitting with us. Three nice Thai girls, one with big natural melons and a nice curvy body, not fat, and one Laos spinner. We started ordering shots for us and the ladies. After the shots came out, off came their tops and they all got busy. One of my buddies started getting a BJ right on the sofa next to me. My busy opposite me was almost fucking is girl right out in the open. My girl hops up on my lap and stats rubbing her big melons in my face and grabs my cock and starts rubbing it. Finally, one of my buddies grabs his gils, throws her over his shoulder like a cave man claiming his property and carries her up to the short time room. Then I start getting blown on the sofa. It got just too much for me and I had to pull her off. Bar fined her and off we went. Love Fate!

If you want to experience a great go go away from the tourist stricken walking street, this is the place to go. Cozy little go go on the corner of Soi Bukao and Soi Boomerang. The talent in this place is really great. I always sit in the VIP seating to the left as you walk in, in the far corner. They have great VIP drink and food packages starting at 4000 Baht up to 6995 baht. You get two bottles, one whisky and one wine or champaign and some fruit snacks and nuts. Last time I was there, I drank with 3 ladies. We all shared the set I bought and I supplemented the girls with tequila shots to keep them happy. This booth has curtains and we closed those and what happened next can only be described as a full on orgy of action. The bill was 25 K Baht and well with every baht. They gave me a free shirt and a gold VIP card, which gives me 20% off by bin on all future visits.

If you are not into the VIP areas, there is seating all around the stage in like a narrow corridor style. They have shows similar to Angel Witch in Nana Plaza which are quite good. They even have two short time rooms on the premises. This place is cheaper than a walking street go go, but more expensive than most of the bars in the areas of Soi Bukao, Tree town, and Soi Pothole. A nice change up from the walking street go go bars. I have not been to Pin up or any other walking street go go for 2 years now. I have a lot more fun in the gents clubs and bars in and around the Soi Bukao area and Pratumnak area. Why? Because it's more relaxed. If you want to be a baller, you get a lot more value for your money. If you want to be a cheap charlie, it's much easier to be one. As for Soi 6, I don't go often unless I see a girl on Facebook that really catches my eye. Then I will go to the bar and spoil her with Tequila shots and then bar fine her LT.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2867612]Arrived Friday night.

The flags are back. Tour guide carries a flag, and 20 or so Asians (probably Chinese) follow them on a tour. Walking Street was packed with people. People with baby strollers, kind of funny.

Walked into XS. Saw a stunner on stage. Placed was totally packed. Didn't want to sit cheek to cheek with guys, so I left.

Walked into Shark Go-Go. Ordered a beer. Didn't notice at first, but this Korean was videotaping, and doing commentary. WTF! There's a sign that says no pictures or video. I don't want to be on youtube. Fuck the Shark Go-go. I will not return to that bar!

Dollhouse was closed. A shame. Probably my favorite for nudity / show / quality combo. The girls weren't that cute, but cuter than Windmill.

Windmill 2 is opened. It's across Windmill 1. It wasn't as crowded as the old Windmill 1 was peviously. Didn't go to Windmill 1 last night.[/QUOTE]I have not read such a negative report in a while. I would wonder why you even bother to came back to Pattaya. May I suggest you do what I do and stay away from walking street. You don't like the popular bars because they are too crowded and you don't like the you tubers helping the bar owners out by doing promo videos and you are too angry and miserable to politely ask them to stop or make sure the camera is not pointing in your direction. That's all it takes mate.

I would suggest you spend your time in the G clubs, beer bars, and smaller go go bars away from WS. You won't have to put up with all the tourists. What are the benefits of this? Your money goes a lot farther and if you want to cheap Charlie out, it's acceptable. This is why I love Pattaya. There are so many options, so many price points and so many areas to go. Something for everyone right. And if you are tired of going out, hop on TF or Tinder and call a freelancer over for a quiet night. Love Pattaya! FYI sometimes I miss covid. I turn on a live stream on Facebook or you tube. Send a few drinks and bar fine the girl right on the spot. She stops work and comes to my condo. I actually miss covid just for this reason alone. There are still bars live streaming now. Oh Arisa from Sexy Bar. If you like to watch that live stream, you will notice she disappears sometimes close to the end of the night. You have me to blame for that.

Has anyone been to this place yet since its morph into a gents club and trance club?

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2867636]A full scam. YOu "buy" the opportunity to RENT a place. Have to hire staff yourself. However they control EVERYTHING. Music all.

Typical thailand. And suckers enough who buy that bullshit.

Only one who is making money there will be LasVegas / Mayflower.[/QUOTE]As they say; "A fool and his money are soon parted"! There are plenty of empty beer bars up and down Soi Diana and in the Tree Town areas. I would have rather seen the spot used as required parking for all the motorbikes that clog up LK Metro, Soi Diana and Soi Bukhao. A "charge to park" would probably generate more money than empty beer bars.

How is Pattaya these days. Are the prices still affordable. On my way back to Thailand in 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867693]Go inside. Buy them a drink, and then short time them. Bingo.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your sophisticated strategy, but I think you forgot to enlighten us with the most important part: give your dear sex provider her very well earned 5000 baht for her service.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867710]I would like to describe this gents club to you guys. I was in there with a group of guys. The place is just crazy. They have a nice big sofa there that a group of guys can sit with the girls. Five minutes after walking in, we had 4 hot ladies sitting with us. Three nice Thai girls, one with big natural melons and a nice curvy body, not fat, and one Laos spinner. We started ordering shots for us and the ladies. After the shots came out, off came their tops and they all got busy. One of my buddies started getting a BJ right on the sofa next to me. My busy opposite me was almost fucking is girl right out in the open. My girl hops up on my lap and stats rubbing her big melons in my face and grabs my cock and starts rubbing it. Finally, one of my buddies grabs his gils, throws her over his shoulder like a cave man claiming his property and carries her up to the short time room. Then I start getting blown on the sofa. It got just too much for me and I had to pull her off. Bar fined her and off we went. Love Fate![/QUOTE]I'm definitely putting these recommends you've made in my plan. I really want that VIP pornstar experience for just a day. Is the price point similar to the 25 k baht you said for Play Girlz?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867716]I have not read such a negative report in a while.[/QUOTE]Huh? Geez! I guess you haven't read a lot of the write-ups. Thought I wrote a factual report. Why was it negative? I don't like to squeeze in between people. I don't like when people squeeze me in when I'm sitting at the bar.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867716]I would wonder why you even bother to came back to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Because Thailand is IMO the best country for quality, price, safety, food, infrastructure, and atmosphere.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867716]You don't like the popular bars because they are too crowded[/QUOTE]That's correct. I don't like to squeeze in and sit check to check with guys, even though XS might have the best looking girls. So that is why I will come back later on the weekday, or maybe come in earlier.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867716]you don't like the you tubers helping the bar owners out by doing promo videos[/QUOTE]Are you a bar owner? FUCK the bar owners if they allow that shit. I think I and most people here expect not to be videotaped and put on Youtube when we enter a Go-Go bar BROTHEL.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867716]you are too angry and miserable to politely ask them to stop or make sure the camera is not pointing in your direction. That's all it takes mate.[/QUOTE]I may be angry and miserable, but that is a different issue.

When I arrived, it was too late, I was already in the video. I don't think he would have deleted the video if I asked. Also, I've seen videos where the guy was purposely put in the video because he got perturbed and asked.

[QUOTE=Mooris7;2867747]How is Pattaya these days. Are the prices still affordable. On my way back to Thailand in 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]Prices for what? Maybe be a little more specific if you want commenters to answer your questions.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2867802]Huh? Geez! I guess you haven't read a lot of the write-ups. Thought I wrote a factual report. Why was it negative? I don't like to squeeze in between people. I don't like when people squeeze me in when I'm sitting at the bar.

Because Thailand is IMO the best country for quality, price, safety, food, infrastructure, and atmosphere.

That's correct. I don't like to squeeze in and sit check to check with guys, even though XS might have the best looking girls. So that is why I will come back later on the weekday, or maybe come in earlier.

Are you a bar owner? FUCK the bar owners if they allow that shit. I think I and most people here expect not to be videotaped and put on Youtube when we enter a Go-Go bar BROTHEL.

I may be angry and miserable, but that is a different issue.

When I arrived, it was too late, I was already in the video. I don't think he would have deleted the video if I asked. Also, I've seen videos where the guy was purposely put in the video because he got perturbed and asked.[/QUOTE]I see that you have very cleverly picked only snippets of my post and quoted LOL. Walking street is not for you mate and I have outgrown it. Just such a negative report. Negative meaning there was not one positive part LOL.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2867753]Thanks for sharing your sophisticated strategy, but I think you forgot to enlighten us with the most important part: give your dear sex provider her very well earned 5000 baht for her service.[/QUOTE]Do you really pay 5000 Short time to a Soi 6 girl? Do you not know short time is 1000-1500 baht plus the room? Anyways, I am not saying I have not paid 5000 Baht ST before, but it was under unique circumstances. Top say a well deserved 5000 baht is the going rate for short time on Soi 6 and in Repent is just not accurate.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2867680]Thanks for that, think I'm going to start reading the Japanese thread then.

Never considered Japan because I always thought it's too expensive.[/QUOTE]You're not going to find much info. It's all kind of hush hush. Just to clarify I'm talking on par with a top gogo girl on Walking Street or a top girl on Burgos in Makati, not Soi 6 or Thermae pricing.

The one issue with Japan is it's VERY illegal. If you work and can't be randomly detained for 21 days by police on just suspicion, it may not be the best idea to do P4P in Japan. I'm not a big Kabukicho Tachinbo guy but police have really been cracking down on tachinbo girls and customers for a while now. Just search 'tachinbo' on YouTube and you will find a few guys who walk around Okubo Park every night videoing the girls and guys.

There are no videos where I go cause it's yakuza run.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867710]I would like to describe this gents club to you guys. I was in there with a group of guys. The place is just crazy. They have a nice big sofa there that a group of guys can sit with the girls. Five minutes after walking in, we had 4 hot ladies sitting with us. Three nice Thai girls, one with big natural melons and a nice curvy body, not fat, and one Laos spinner. We started ordering shots for us and the ladies. After the shots came out, off came their tops and they all got busy. One of my buddies started getting a BJ right on the sofa next to me. My busy opposite me was almost fucking is girl right out in the open. My girl hops up on my lap and stats rubbing her big melons in my face and grabs my cock and starts rubbing it. Finally, one of my buddies grabs his gils, throws her over his shoulder like a cave man claiming his property and carries her up to the short time room. Then I start getting blown on the sofa. It got just too much for me and I had to pull her off. Bar fined her and off we went. Love Fate![/QUOTE]Amen, Club Fate is the absolute DOGS bollocks.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867705]I have been with this one several times. I made a video with her too. BBFS CIP. Wonderful melons.[/QUOTE]She is a true 10 IMHO.

In every way.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2867862]You're not going to find much info. It's all kind of hush hush. Just to clarify I'm talking on par with a top gogo girl on Walking Street or a top girl on Burgos in Makati, not Soi 6 or Thermae pricing.

The one issue with Japan is it's VERY illegal. If you work and can't be randomly detained for 21 days by police on just suspicion, it may not be the best idea to do P4P in Japan. I'm not a big Kabukicho Tachinbo guy but police have really been cracking down on tachinbo girls and customers for a while now. Just search 'tachinbo' on YouTube and you will find a few guys who walk around Okubo Park every night videoing the girls and guys.

There are no videos where I go cause it's yakuza run.[/QUOTE]Any intelligence if ex Porn Stars are available. Specifically AYU SAKURAI.

For those who don't like crowds. I'm in the middle- I don't like being Squeezed in between 2 Obese chain smoking rich Korean s, has this ever happened, NO. Just making a legit scenario.

These 2nd thru 5th tier place Agogo have one thing in common. No customers. Hahahaha.

1st time went to Bliss. Only reason 55 baht drink. I don't know if any girl on Thai Friendly could command more than 3 fiddy. Had a table in prime seat section all to myself. L.

[QUOTE=Mooris7;2867747]How is Pattaya these days. Are the prices still affordable. On my way back to Thailand in 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]This is why I constantly Harp on the Price issue. It what guys want to know.

One guy says 1,000 and you In Paradise.

The rest of us will say No Way Jose.

Who is right. It's not Debatable. LOL.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867710]I would like to describe this gents club to you guys. I was in there with a group of guys. The place is just crazy. They have a nice big sofa there that a group of guys can sit with the girls. Five minutes after walking in, we had 4 hot ladies sitting with us. Three nice Thai girls, one with big natural melons and a nice curvy body, not fat, and one Laos spinner. We started ordering shots for us and the ladies. After the shots came out, off came their tops and they all got busy. One of my buddies started getting a BJ right on the sofa next to me. My busy opposite me was almost fucking is girl right out in the open. My girl hops up on my lap and stats rubbing her big melons in my face and grabs my cock and starts rubbing it. Finally, one of my buddies grabs his gils, throws her over his shoulder like a cave man claiming his property and carries her up to the short time room. Then I start getting blown on the sofa. It got just too much for me and I had to pull her off. Bar fined her and off we went. Love Fate![/QUOTE]Can you "almost be fucking someone"? Was he dry humping the air?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2867615]A bit off-topic but a warning so no one gets caught off guard having their holiday ruined.

I happen to be at a meeting in regard to Immigration this week. In Jomtien, effective October reports so far have been inconsistent but the news is in regard to the TM47.

This form is normally filled out by the hotel to immigration. It has been on the books since 1979, but has never been an issue Jomtien now has made a big issue of it a few years back it was the same old stuff.

The report must be made within or within 24 hours by the hotel. At Jomtien immigration there are changes in the waiting area or outside the main building parking lot is no more it has a number of offices broken down into departments. Outside of doing your 90 reports or obtaining a TM47, you need to Q up at the information desk to get into the main building for a Visa extension.

Those who reside at a Hotel, resort, or Airbnb, and don't stay longer than 30 days generally do not need to worry but if you decide to stay longer and need to make a visit without the TM47 you will run into a problem. The key although it is the responsibility of the hotel, owner if you don't have a TM47, you will need to pay 2000 in a fine..[/QUOTE]TM47 is more of 90 days reporting. Most tourists travel here on a 30 day exemption or 60 days tourist visa. If you stay under 30 days, you don't have to do anything. If plan on extending your 30 day exemption to an additional 30 days extension, then a TM30 should have been filed 24 hours upon check in at hotel. This is the same for the 60 day tourist visa plus another 30 days extension. However, Immigration has some recent issues with their online TM30 website that the hotels and landlords use. So nobody was able to file the TM30 online for their guests. For most, it wasn't necessary because they stayed under 30 days. But for those wanted to extend, there came a shock when they tried to extend without the TM30 ever being filed. They had to pay a 2000 fine. Because the law is that it's still the tourist's responsibility to file their TM30 (within the 24 hour window) if they are going to extend, website down or not. You can do that at Window A Immigration Jomtien for free. Do it pithing 24 hours of arrival and check in. Just bring your hotel receipt and their contact info or business card. That way Immigration has you registered with an address before trying to extend. There will sample an address notification slip into your passport and you can come back whenever to do the extension for 1900. Don't the TM30 in 24 hours and you will be paying 2000 penalty and 1900 for the extension.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2867864]Amen, Club Fate is the absolute DOGS bollocks.[/QUOTE]That's your opinion mate. Maybe you always go on bad days when the girls are not good or some other reason.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2867804]Prices for what? Maybe be a little more specific if you want commenters to answer your questions.[/QUOTE]Food, accommodation, and the ladies. Thought it was a pretty clear question big boy.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2867885]This is why I constantly Harp on the Price issue. It what guys want to know.

One guy says 1,000 and you In Paradise.

The rest of us will say No Way Jose.

Who is right. It's not Debatable. LOL.[/QUOTE]Because the posters here occupy different niches in the Pattaya food chain.

We have the TF-Beach Road. Soi 6 group, who often pay 1,000 baht.

We have the Top Tier Gogo group, for whom price is no object.

And there are people in the middle group, who may pay 1,500ST in some cases, or other amounts in other circumstances.

So you cannot expect a One Price For All Ladies.

This used to be a great gents club. The girls would get naughty with you in the bar. Prices are really great. Then something happened. They started to employ ladyboys. Then things all went to shit. Saw this girl, or what I thought to be girl in their social media. I have to say, I can normally tell a ladyboy in a photo, but this one really looks like a girl in her photos and she is gorgeous. Alas, after seeing her in real, ladyboy ladyboy ladyboy. As soon as I saw her, I asked the question. She replied yes. I bolted faster than a Jackson Pollet.

It's a shame. When you go into a non ladyboy boy bar or gents club, you just don't want to play this guessing game. They should not employ ladyboys in a bar known for only having ladies. You guys be the judge. H

Stopped by Windmill 1. Same MO. Crowded like before, with naked girls on the show stage, working, doing whatever for drinks.

Stopped by Kinks (in LK Metro). Probably my favorite bar; the upstairs portion. Raunchy. You can lick a girl's pussy for a lady's drink. You can touch pussy for a 20 baht tip. For 56 cents. Amazing!

I stopped by a few other go-go bars in LK Metro. They were either bikini or topless.

The Silver bar on Soi 7 has been replaced by Lolipop, a weed store. The Silver bar on Soi 8 seems to have been replaced by a live music venue. A shame. I had many good times, especially at that bar on Soi 7.

Does anyone know of any go-go bars on Walking Street or LK Metro that has full nudity, besides the 2 Windmills and Kink? I like to have a cold beer and watch fully naked girls.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867805]I see that you have very cleverly picked only snippets of my post and quoted LOL.[/QUOTE]OK. Guilty as charged.

But I don't how you can defend bar owners allowing Youtubers to videotape unsuspecting customers that walk into their brothel bars. Standard is no videotaping or photos inside the go-gos.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2867930]Because the posters here occupy different niches in the Pattaya food chain.

[b]We have the TF-Beach Road. Soi 6 group, who often pay 1,000 baht.[/b]

We have the Top Tier Gogo group, for whom price is no object.

And there are people in the middle group, who may pay 1,500ST in some cases, or other amounts in other circumstances.

So you cannot expect a One Price For All Ladies.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your most enlightened response to our expert on "Pattaya Pattaya / Bangkok Price and Appearance". We get many of them and the ones where he is not targeting me might be helpful to some people. They are not helpful to me. I am not a bar guy. But if he really thinks price is important he should welcome information on prices from everyone as you have pointed out everyone has different price points and every prostitutes has different amounts they will take. I have always interpreted a high price as indication from the prostitute that she does not really want to be with me.

As an example, I girl from Thai Friendly that I thought was a 800 girl wanted 1700. Caught me off guard. I just kept scrolling. But I looked back at her pictures again and realized that she had the kind of face, complexion and body style that a certain other demographic finds appealing. I look at who other guys are talking to are escorting and I am beginning to see the different type of Thai girls with a more refined eye. I am not understanding quite vividly that there is no universal standard of beauty for each individual man.

[B]More than one guy has posted here and said they pay 1000ST.[/B] At least half a dozen have said it. One guy even pays 1200 LT. Right now there only one person saying price equals performance. Now, truth be told what they really mean is: [B]"I pay whatever I have to get a girl I find attractive. ".[/B] I got no problem with that. My problem is individuals who are critical of me for my choices. Because sometimes even I will pay 1200 -1300 to see someone I really want. I just don't report on them as there are so many people reporting on 1000+ numbers no more of my input is needed.

I am going to share a secret. I often stay at hotel with my friends, we find a girl off of Thai Friendly and present her with this deal, come to the hotel we have two guys that want you. 800 each. She walks away with 1600 for one moto taxi ride to our hotel. She sees one guy after he is finished and he walks her over to my room. She takes a shower and then we do the deed. All the girls we did that with are still in touch with me and asking when my friends are coming back. Helps to think out of the box. You do not see me up in here complaining.

If we all listed the type of phones we used: I use a iPhone 14 Pro Max 512 GB nobody would be critical of the others phone. Except for maybe the classic: Android v iOS debate. You see saving on my booty bill allows me to save up and buy the phone I want. If we all listed the cars / motobikes we owned, no one would be critical of others choices. So, I ask, why do some need to be critical of the choices of the amount another man pays to hire his prostitute.

[B]Man Law 101:[/B] [I]No grown man ought to be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who to fuck. [/I].

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867932]This used to be a great gents club. The girls would get naughty with you in the bar. Prices are really great. Then something happened. They started to employ ladyboys. Then things all went to shit. Saw this girl, or what I thought to be girl in their social media. I have to say, I can normally tell a ladyboy in a photo, but this one really looks like a girl in her photos and she is gorgeous. Alas, after seeing her in real, ladyboy ladyboy ladyboy. As soon as I saw her, I asked the question. She replied yes. I bolted faster than a Jackson Pollet.

It's a shame. When you go into a non ladyboy boy bar or gents club, you just don't want to play this guessing game. They should not employ ladyboys in a bar known for only having ladies. You guys be the judge. H[/QUOTE]The photo was edited out and deleted so the whole post is worthless now. Sorry guys.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2867938]Stopped by Windmill 1. Same MO. Crowded like before, with naked girls on the show stage, working, doing whatever for drinks.

Stopped by Kinks (in LK Metro). Probably my favorite bar; the upstairs portion. Raunchy. You can lick a girl's pussy for a lady's drink. You can touch pussy for a 20 baht tip. For 56 cents. Amazing!

I stopped by a few other go-go bars in LK Metro. They were either bikini or topless.

The Silver bar on Soi 7 has been replaced by Lolipop, a weed store. The Silver bar on Soi 8 seems to have been replaced by a live music venue. A shame. I had many good times, especially at that bar on Soi 7.

Does anyone know of any go-go bars on Walking Street or LK Metro that has full nudity, besides the 2 Windmills and Kink? I like to have a cold beer and watch fully naked girls.

OK. Guilty as charged.

But I don't how you can defend bar owners allowing Youtubers to videotape unsuspecting customers that walk into their brothel bars. Standard is no videotaping or photos inside the go-gos.[/QUOTE]I am good friends with a bunch of your tubers, I don't know about what ones you have had contact with, but the ones that I know, often receive requests from guys to blur out their faces or to edit them out of the video, and they all comply with the request. It's about how you ask them. Some guys in Pattaya are very confrontational and that never ends well. Of course there are exceptions where some Pattaya you tubers are idiots, but most will do as you ask if you are polite. They bring a lot of business to the bars. I myself have seen a bar video on you tube and visited that bar. If it weren't for the video, I would never of known the place existed.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2867912]Can you "almost be fucking someone"? Was he dry humping the air?[/QUOTE]Well, his dick was out and he was on top of the girl grinding her. Does not take a rocket scientist to understand that. Geeze some of you guys are quite the bunch in here. People post legitimate reports and you pick the reports apart like fucking online troll chemists. Just read the content posted and enjoy it.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2867922]TM47 is more of 90 days reporting. Most tourists travel here on a 30 day exemption or 60 days tourist visa. If you stay under 30 days, you don't have to do anything. If plan on extending your 30 day exemption to an additional 30 days extension, then a TM30 should have been filed 24 hours upon check in at hotel. This is the same for the 60 day tourist visa plus another 30 days extension. However, Immigration has some recent issues with their online TM30 website that the hotels and landlords use. So nobody was able to file the TM30 online for their guests. For most, it wasn't necessary because they stayed under 30 days. But for those wanted to extend, there came a shock when they tried to extend without the TM30 ever being filed. They had to pay a 2000 fine. Because the law is that it's still the tourist's responsibility to file their TM30 (within the 24 hour window) if they are going to extend, website down or not. You can do that at Window A Immigration Jomtien for free. Do it pithing 24 hours of arrival and check in. Just bring your hotel receipt and their contact info or business card. That way Immigration has you registered with an address before trying to extend. There will sample an address notification slip into your passport and you can come back whenever to do the extension for 1900. Don't the TM30 in 24 hours and you will be paying 2000 penalty and 1900 for the extension.[/QUOTE]Thank for properly writng it. Majority will be under the time period and if you decide stay longer using Airbnb particular if own by foreigner he / she better have a work permit.

Those like myself who has a address of my wife everytime I leave come back must file a new TM30 Although same address supposely can't report online unless I upload documents esch time.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867806]Do you really pay 5000 Short time to a Soi 6 girl? Do you not know short time is 1000-1500 baht plus the room? Anyways, I am not saying I have not paid 5000 Baht ST before, but it was under unique circumstances. Top say a well deserved 5000 baht is the going rate for short time on Soi 6 and in Repent is just not accurate.[/QUOTE]Of course that's not what I pay, I think by now every body knows I refuse to overpay.

I said 5000 baht because you already paid that amount for LT in 2021, in the middle of the pandemic. I think it's fair to think someone who gladly overpaid when the girls were in trouble getting customers is still overpaying when these same girls are trying to jack up the prices. I could even have said 10000 given you're ready to pend 25000 in another venue and get little in exchange.

The problem with going the direct path as you suggested is that in my experience it always led to the girls quoting higher than normal prices, and almost all the time they were not even open to negotiation which is a no go for me. That's why I prefer they make a genuine move to attract me before I try my luck with them.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2868058]Of course that's not what I pay, I think by now every body knows I refuse to overpay.

I said 5000 baht because you already paid that amount for LT in 2021, in the middle of the pandemic. I think it's fair to think someone who gladly overpaid when the girls were in trouble getting customers is still overpaying when these same girls are trying to jack up the prices. I could even have said 10000 given you're ready to pend 25000 in another venue and get little in exchange.

The problem with going the direct path as you suggested is that in my experience it always led to the girls quoting higher than normal prices, and almost all the time they were not even open to negotiation which is a no go for me. That's why I prefer they make a genuine move to attract me before I try my luck with them.[/QUOTE]5000 was LT mate and it was not a normal LT. We were talking about short time right? Anyways, crack on mate and continue walking up and down Soi 6 until you find your dream girl that gives it up for 500 Baht ST. In the meantime, the rest of us will be having fun and not thinking so much. Who wants to come to Patttaya for that? To each their own I guess.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2867992]Thank you for your most enlightened response to our expert on "Pattaya Pattaya / Bangkok Price and Appearance". We get many of them and the ones where he is not targeting me might be helpful to some people. They are not helpful to me. I am not a bar guy. But if he really thinks price is important he should welcome information on prices from everyone as you have pointed out everyone has different price points and every prostitutes has different amounts they will take. I have always interpreted a high price as indication from the prostitute that she does not really want to be with me.

As an example, I girl from Thai Friendly that I thought was a 800 girl wanted 1700. Caught me off guard. I just kept scrolling. But I looked back at her pictures again and realized that she had the kind of face, complexion and body style that a certain other demographic finds appealing. I look at who other guys are talking to are escorting and I am beginning to see the different type of Thai girls with a more refined eye. I am not understanding quite vividly that there is no universal standard of beauty for each individual man.
[/QUOTE]That's a good post as long as you don't criticize others for paying more because you think it will spoil the market for other who make a point of not paying more than a certain amount. Hopefully there is no double standard. For me, I pay what I pay so I can get a certain type of experience and I don't like to negotiate otherwise it ruins the mood. So, If I want PST with GFE style, and multiple pops with a spinner, Ill pay what I want so the girl does not have a chance of saying no or, making a counter offer. To me that's nest for me. Nobody has a right to tell me how to spend my money either. So, I like your idea with no double standard.

[QUOTE=Mooris7;2867747]How is Pattaya these days. Are the prices still affordable. On my way back to Thailand in 2 weeks.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RajPatela;2867885]This is why I constantly Harp on the Price issue. It what guys want to know.

One guy says 1,000 and you In Paradise.

The rest of us will say No Way Jose.

Who is right. It's not Debatable. LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't know what Raj is going on about. I think I can answer your question without causing another price debate over the girls. Hotels seem to be more expensive compared to before covid times. Food and drinks seem to have stayed at the same rates or even cheaper as there is tons of competition. As for the price of the girls, Thai Friendly girls can rage anywhere from 1000-2000ST so that has not really changed too much. Go Go bars on walking street have increased their prices substantially to make up for the money they lost during covid, including the girls, and the prices to rent condos fluctuates so much. From below market value if you start your rental contract during low season to above market value presently because it's just the beginning of high season. Landlords also want to make up for their lost revenue from during covid when their condos were vacant or rented out at heavily discounted rates. My 120 M2 condo in Pratamnak cost me 13,000 Baht per month during covid. I am now at 17,000 baht and the owner wanted 22,000-25,000 Baht. I just assured him I would not moving from here and would stay for at least 5 more years. I got lucky as most places this size AR going for over 20 K baht per month. They will now insist on 2 months deposit again. The cost of Bolt taxis seems to have just gone up slightly and that is the preferred app to use in Pattaya. Grab is better in Bangkok and more expensive to use in Pattaya. Don't get caught up with the price police on here. Pay the girls what you want. Whatever makes you happy and gets you what you want and who you want.

One last thing, many girls are coming out of relationships with guys that helped them during covid. The girls were accepting less from them as expats here as they had no choice. Now that we are heading into the first real high season since covid, there are plenty of single Thai girls back in the game. There are tons and tons of girls in Pattaya now and still not enough punters. You will have a great time. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2867927]Food, accommodation, and the ladies. Thought it was a pretty clear question big boy.[/QUOTE]With such a broad question, you're better off reading back on the forums. It could takes pages going over ladies, hotels and food.

Does anyone have a favorite Soi 6 bar? I seems to find the girls shuffle from bar to bar and most are all set up the same. Therefore, it's difficult to choose one or two favorites. However, Toy Box seems to have a constant line up of the same girls.

[QUOTE=Belvaros;2867251]I have been accused of overpaying and underpaying. I am highly aware of the former as I feel it a crime to my fellow p4 p mates that we keep the playing field even so that there is always a decent supply / demand value market. I saw Pattaya 1st hand for several weeks in Oct and I'm back today, where bar after bar had 10-12-20 girls and only 3 or 4 punters yet said bars wanted 2 k Baht BF rates early in the evening, even 1 k at 11 pm. What business would I be taking if I took 1 girl and the other 3 blokes took 3 girls at an early hour. There would still be 10-15 girls and now no punters and the bar would at least have some $ for their troubles.

This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other, and as low as 1200 for a beautiful former bar girl for 2 hours. Most TF ladies were quoting me 3 k for 1 pop up to a week ago and now many are 1200-1500ST, 2500 LT etc. I tell the overyhyped 3 k ladies that they're simply not attractive enough and there will be zero business for them unless they get down to market rates. I keep telling them each and every time one tells me she wants 3 k ST, 7 K LT.

Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.

YMMV.[/QUOTE]Where did you find the hottie in the picture? What is TF ladies?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868085]I don't know what Raj is going on about. I think I can answer your question without causing another price debate over the girls. Hotels seem to be more expensive compared to before covid times. Food and drinks seem to have stayed at the same rates or even cheaper as there is tons of competition. As for the price of the girls, Thai Friendly girls can rage anywhere from 1000-2000ST so that has not really changed too much. Go Go bars on walking street have increased their prices substantially to make up for the money they lost during covid, including the girls, and the prices to rent condos fluctuates so much. From below market value if you start your rental contract during low season to above market value presently because it's just the beginning of high season. Landlords also want to make up for their lost revenue from during covid when their condos were vacant or rented out at heavily discounted rates. My 120 M2 condo in Pratamnak cost me 13,000 Baht per month during covid. I am now at 17,000 baht and the owner wanted 22,000-25,000 Baht. I just assured him I would not moving from here and would stay for at least 5 more years. I got lucky as most places this size AR going for over 20 K baht per month. They will now insist on 2 months deposit again. The cost of Bolt taxis seems to have just gone up slightly and that is the preferred app to use in Pattaya. Grab is better in Bangkok and more expensive to use in Pattaya. Don't get caught up with the price police on here. Pay the girls what you want. Whatever makes you happy and gets you what you want and who you want.

One last thing, many girls are coming out of relationships with guys that helped them during covid. The girls were accepting less from them as expats here as they had no choice. Now that we are heading into the first real high season since covid, there are plenty of single Thai girls back in the game. There are tons and tons of girls in Pattaya now and still not enough punters. You will have a great time. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to be real.

Hotel prices have not gone up. Pattaya is Begging for Tourist s.

Condo pricing per others have not gone up either. All I hear is Bargains up the REAR end. LOL.

Try this.

It's not enough to give only prices you need to associate with quality.

1,ooo ish, I'm including up to. 1,199 baht. There is no YMMV, you are getting bottom of the Barrel Girls. Drugs, Diseased, Nasty, Ugly Muglies.

Above 1,199.

Your mileage may vary. I've seen Ugly Muglies go for 3,000. Not often but it happens.

Again there is nothing wrong liking Uglie, Muglies, etc. I'm glad they get Business. It help the ecosystem.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2868164]Where did you find the hottie in the picture? What is TF ladies?[/QUOTE]Thai Friendly = TF.

Lovely girl, true PSE, worth every Baht over 36 hours.

To [URL]sub.com[/URL]mandeer.

Your thoughts on changing that main street in Treetown to one way.

I visited the new Made in Thailand complex last. A lady I knew years ago told me she started work there at 20.00, so I went to find her.

There are an amazing number of bars there, so trying to find one bargirl is like the proverbial needle in a haystack. And at 20.00, there just weren't many customers, which means that that a single guy walking around was like raw meat for hungry pitbulls. After a while, the attention from bargirls got annoying. Now I know how a bargirl feels walking through flocks of moto drivers offering themselves to her.

Eventually I found her bar, but she wasn't there. On Messenger, she told me she was coming Real Soon Now. Which meant she had a customer, or was with a boyfriend. I ordered a drink, waited 30 minutes, and then was so irritated I went home. I should have ensured she was in the bar before going there.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2868181]I visited the new Made in Thailand complex last. A lady I knew years ago told me she started work there at 20.00, so I went to find her.

There are an amazing number of bars there, so trying to find one bargirl is like the proverbial needle in a haystack. And at 20.00, there just weren't many customers, which means that that a single guy walking around was like raw meat for hungry pitbulls. After a while, the attention from bargirls got annoying. Now I know how a bargirl feels walking through flocks of moto drivers offering themselves to her.

Eventually I found her bar, but she wasn't there. On Messenger, she told me she was coming Real Soon Now. Which meant she had a customer, or was with a boyfriend. I ordered a drink, waited 30 minutes, and then was so irritated I went home. I should have ensured she was in the bar before going there.[/QUOTE]You Funny Bro it's always she have Customer.

Anyone know if Kenny LGBTQIA in Pattaya was a success.

Having been in Pattaya I didn't even know he was coming. No flyers at Terminal 21 or Central at all. Who is in charge of Marketing?

If I can get somewhere on the Bhat minibus I take it. If I cannot get there directly I will take it and then walk. If I need door to door service I call Bolt. For the amount I spend on just Bol alone I could buy a motorbike. I can afford to buy a motorbike or car. Priced a E-class out at 50,000 USD (how do they do that). They are not that expensive here in Thailand. But, I prefer not to drive. Even though I am poor, I can pay to have people drive me.

[B]Raj Raj[/B], did you know I am up for full commander next year? LOL!

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2868180]To sub.commandeer. Your thoughts on changing that main street in Treetown to one way.[/QUOTE]Actually I don't have any. Nor have I paid any attention to it. Why would I care about traffic patterns in Pattaya if I don't drive? Traffic is heavy on Second road due to the construction project where they are tearing up the roads constantly to bury the cables. No progress without pain.

I do like the food court in TreeTown. There is an excellent Mexican food stand where I have tacos and french fries. The manager of the shop even remembers me. I walk down few stalls and get a smoothy. One of my favorite ways to post up is at the bus bar on the corner across from hamburger place and weed shop. [B]Nice try Raj Raj[/B].

Chief of the boat, rig for dive, DIVE, DIVE, DIVE, make your depth six fi-viy feet.

Lots of posts but lots of things happening in Pattaya like Buzzin says. So one Pattaya Soi 6 girl has a Chinese Boy beaten by her 2 thugs the otherday.

Solution. Bring in Chinese Policeman from China to Control the area. What? Area meaning Pattaya and Phuket specific.

This world is going Nuts without Orange Man in Charge.

[B]Man Law 101[/B]: [I]No grown man ought to be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who he should fuck.[/I].

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868081]That's a good post as long as you don't criticize others for paying more because you think it will spoil the market for other who make a point of not paying more than a certain amount. Hopefully there is no double standard. For me, I pay what I pay so I can get a certain type of experience and I don't like to negotiate otherwise it ruins the mood. So, If I want PST with GFE style, and multiple pops with a spinner, Ill pay what I want so the girl does not have a chance of saying no or, making a counter offer. To me that's nest for me. [b]Nobody has a right to tell me how to spend my money either.[/b] So, I like your idea with no double standard.[/QUOTE]Find my post with a double standard. I am not a Man Law 101 violator. If I have made a post criticizing someone for the amount they pay quote it and make me eat my words. Saying I don't do something is not being critical of another person.

If you have been following my posts I doubt you will find me being critical of what others pay. IRL: I pay for what I want to pay. 400 USD for two tennis racquets; 100 - 200 USD for a wedge or putter; Wagu Steak; Good bottle of bourbon; my iphone. I just don't think it is important to pay a lot for pussy. That is called an opinion.

Here is what I believe: [B]Price alone does not mean that the prostitute your hired is more attractive or performed at a higher quality.[/B] I have been tricking since I was 50 years old. Never needed to before then and my personal believe is that if you are young man you shouldn't be either but times have changed. I get that.

In my experiences price has never been related to the quality of the girl nor her performance world wide. This is Thailand. Thailand has prostitutes. I hire prostitutes in Thailand. My experiences here have been consistent with my opinion.

You pay 2000 to get what you want. I pay 1000 to get what I want. Afterwards we are both happy. Therefore what we each paid our prostitutes is what they are worth to us. If you ask me why I only pay 1000, I will tell you that if I paid 2000 each time after I fucked a prostitute 20 times, I would not have been able to buy my PS5 (1000 x 20 = 20000).

I am not rich and I offer no apologies nor do I have any embarrassment about it. I prefer to "emulate a poor Thai" complete with a gold necklace and pinky ring. I do not care about anyones opinion of me. Especially anyone posting on ISG that I do not know in person. I able to maintain residences around the world hub and spoke style. Precisely because I am living within my means.

[B]What I am critical of are individuals who are going to tell me personally that I am only getting lowest quality girls.[/B] Now if they do this:

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2868167]It's not enough to give only prices you need to associate with quality. 1,ooo ish, I'm including up to. 1,199 baht. There is no YMMV, you are getting bottom of the Barrel Girls. Drugs, Diseased, Nasty, Ugly Muglies. Above 1,199. Your mileage may vary. I've seen Ugly Muglies go for 3,000. Not often but it happens. Again there is nothing wrong liking Uglie, Muglies, etc. I'm glad they get Business. It help the ecosystem.[/QUOTE]I am fine with it. He stated his opinion. He did not direct his post at anyone in particular. I understand this is his opinion. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. I just don't happen to agree with it. I do not have to.

There have been over a half dozen posts from guys paying girls in the entire range of amounts he specified. His comments about the prostitutes at different price points are his opinion. I repeat his opinion. As long as it is not directed at me. Several individual seem to have a problem up in here with others who do not do things their way.

Opinions should be spoke about the subject not directed at other posters here providing reports and price points. [B]In my opinion[/B], quality has nothing to do with price nor performance in a absolute sense.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868085]Thai Friendly girls can rage anywhere from 1000-2000ST so that has not really changed too much.[/QUOTE]This is an experienced poster and I am a new poster. So, this tells me that 1000 - 2000ST is market price for ThaiFriendly and Beach Road.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868085]Go Go bars on walking street have increased their prices substantially to make up for the money they lost during covid, including the girls, and the prices to rent condos fluctuates so much. From below market value if you start your rental contract during low season to above market value presently because it's just the beginning of high season. Landlords also want to make up for their lost revenue from during covid when their condos were vacant or rented out at heavily discounted rates. My 120 M2 condo in Pratamnak cost me 13,000 Baht per month during covid. I am now at 17,000 baht and the owner wanted 22,000-25,000 Baht. I just assured him I would not moving from here and would stay for at least 5 more years. I got lucky as most places this size AR going for over 20 K baht per month. They will now insist on 2 months deposit again. [/QUOTE]I can verify this just at a different price point. First room I rented in Jomtiem cost me 17,000/ month (48 m2). Was informed that price was going up to 25,000/ month as were headed into high season and that I had to vacate as they had another tenant that was ready. They offered me another room in their inventory. I declined. Walked across the street down one block and got a room for 8000/ month. Small yes, but big enough for me. Plus the owner purchased everything new for me. The location is better (for me). The room has sat vacant for two years. So, it really depends on the price point you are seeking in the market you are in.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868085]The cost of Bolt taxis seems to have just gone up slightly and that is the preferred app to use in Pattaya. Grab is better in Bangkok and more expensive to use in Pattaya. Don't get caught up with the price police on here. Pay the girls what you want. Whatever makes you happy and gets you what you want and who you want.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868085]One last thing, many girls are coming out of relationships with guys that helped them during covid. The girls were accepting less from them as expats here as they had no choice. Now that we are heading into the first real high season since covid, there are plenty of single Thai girls back in the game. There are tons and tons of girls in Pattaya now and still not enough punters. You will have a great time. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]He is right plus new ones turning 18 everyday all across Thailand. I have 180+ unanswered messaged in my Thai Friendly mail box. Many of the prostitutes I have hired stay in contact with me and would like to see me again.

There is absolutely no reason for individuals posting here on ISG to be negative about the reports from others or negative about Pattaya. After all if you had enough money to get here, you have enough money to go somewhere else.

3 nights in Pattaya last week with couple friends. Taking them through the different debauchery venues! One of them a first timer and he had a great time.

Day 1: Soi 6 + Boomerang Clubs.

Soi 6 was crazy as ever, but the quality imo was average. Quite liked the bunch of girls at a bar with a New Yorker manager (My Friend You bar? And Desire. We had beers in 3-4 bars, and while a couple bars sported solid talent, neither of us pulled the trigger. Headed to Soi Boomerang to check out the clubs out there. Club Fate was busy, girls totally fun, but didn't find any lookers so headed to Heaven Above. Finished a bottle of Sangsom, vibed with a cutie (Ploy?) who requested I bar fine her and friend too and the friend would pay me back (since she wanted to quit work for the day). Did that and headed to the hotel to then find Ploy to be in a big hurry! As you can imagine, not a great experience. Came down to find the friend waiting for her. LOL, they obviously had other plans! Had a couple beers and then quit for the night.

Day 2: Walking Street + Boomerang Clubs.

Warmed up at the Aussie Bar playing pool with the ladies there before hitting the go-gos. Started with Windmills (full-nude, friendly, decent talent, lot of action in the top floor), Skyfall (much better talent, friendly again, although only topless, tequila shots consumed), and one other I forget the name of, sorry (because of the tequila shots! A few LDs were bought in each go-go and a good time was had. Despite our group having 2 Indians, we were welcomed in all the go-gos. Don't know if it was because of my dashing looks, or my white American friend.

Decided Heaven Above was the better venue for us and we headed back there. Great time was had as we closed down the bar at 3 am buying and receiving shots in return from the mamasan!

Day 3: Pothole Bars + you guessed it. Heaven Above!

It was our last night in Pattaya. We decided to check out a bunch of bars at Pothole, maybe catch a band, before closing up at Heaven Above. Hit 8-10 bars on Pothole. More than decent talent available. A few STs later, we were at Heaven Above, doing exactly what we did last night. Having a ball before closing down the bar!

All said, a great time had and while there was far fewer STs than imagined, the short trip was well worth it for all of us. Heaven Above is going to be a permanent fixture for all my future Pattaya plans (unless things change there for the worse).

If any newbies to Pattaya have any questions. Ask away.

Cheers / Pulse.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2868180]To [URL]sub.com[/URL]mandeer.

Your thoughts on changing that main street in Treetown to one way.[/QUOTE]The rumor is that Soi Buakhow will be changed to one way Real Soon Now.

Weirdest thing I've seen in all my years. Central Shopping.

Ramen Shop.

An old Asian walks in with an old Asian woman. , God Awful. You know the Drill. Hahaha.

I'm pretty sure she is Thai and on the Game. Both look over 70.

I thought only Farangs took that demographic of worker.

I'm Happy for her. I'm wondering about the guy. I know, to each his own. Too bad I don't know pricing.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2867938]Does anyone know of any go-go bars on Walking Street or LK Metro that has full nudity, besides the 2 Windmills and Kink?[/QUOTE]Angels (upstairs bar) in LK Metro has full nudity.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2868165]I'm trying to be real.

Hotel prices have not gone up. Pattaya is Begging for Tourist s.

Condo pricing per others have not gone up either. All I hear is Bargains up the REAR end. LOL.[/QUOTE]I am here now, so sadly you are mistaken. Everything on here is on big debate LOL.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868098]Does anyone have a favorite Soi 6 bar? I seems to find the girls shuffle from bar to bar and most are all set up the same. Therefore, it's difficult to choose one or two favorites. However, Toy Box seems to have a constant line up of the same girls.[/QUOTE]My favorite bar is the one where my favorite girl is working.

Seriously, if I had to chose one between all the soi 6 bars I tried I would say Roxy, but their male manager just moved to work for palace Agogo recently so not sure if they would still be good with the new manager.

[QUOTE=Pulse0101;2868220]3 nights in Pattaya last week with couple friends. Taking them through the different debauchery venues! One of them a first timer and he had a great time.

Day 1: Soi 6 + Boomerang Clubs.

Soi 6 was crazy as ever, but the quality imo was average. Quite liked the bunch of girls at a bar with a New Yorker manager (My Friend You bar? And Desire. We had beers in 3-4 bars, and while a couple bars sported solid talent, neither of us pulled the trigger. Headed to Soi Boomerang to check out the clubs out there. Club Fate was busy, girls totally fun, but didn't find any lookers so headed to Heaven Above. Finished a bottle of Sangsom, vibed with a cutie (Ploy?) who requested I bar fine her and friend too and the friend would pay me back (since she wanted to quit work for the day). Did that and headed to the hotel to then find Ploy to be in a big hurry! As you can imagine, not a great experience. Came down to find the friend waiting for her. LOL, they obviously had other plans! Had a couple beers and then quit for the night.

Day 2: Walking Street + Boomerang Clubs.

Warmed up at the Aussie Bar playing pool with the ladies there before hitting the go-gos. Started with Windmills (full-nude, friendly, decent talent, lot of action in the top floor), Skyfall (much better talent, friendly again, although only topless, tequila shots consumed), and one other I forget the name of, sorry (because of the tequila shots! A few LDs were bought in each go-go and a good time was had. Despite our group having 2 Indians, we were welcomed in all the go-gos. Don't know if it was because of my dashing looks, or my white American friend.

Decided Heaven Above was the better venue for us and we headed back there. Great time was had as we closed down the bar at 3 am buying and receiving shots in return from the mamasan!

Day 3: Pothole Bars + you guessed it. Heaven Above!

It was our last night in Pattaya. We decided to check out a bunch of bars at Pothole, maybe catch a band, before closing up at Heaven Above. Hit 8-10 bars on Pothole. More than decent talent available. A few STs later, we were at Heaven Above, doing exactly what we did last night. Having a ball before closing down the bar!

All said, a great time had and while there was far fewer STs than imagined, the short trip was well worth it for all of us. Heaven Above is going to be a permanent fixture for all my future Pattaya plans (unless things change there for the worse).

If any newbies to Pattaya have any questions. Ask away.

Cheers / Pulse.[/QUOTE]This is an excellent report. I have a question. Since your bad experience with the two bar fines from Heaven Above, I'm surprised you went back. What was the reason for going back?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2868252]Angels (upstairs bar) in LK Metro has full nudity.[/QUOTE]Any Kink style shenanigans allowed?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2868209][B]Man Law 101[/B]: [I]No grown man ought to be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who he should fuck.[/I].

Find my post with a double standard. I am not a Man Law 101 violator. If I have made a post criticizing someone for the amount they pay quote it and make me eat my words. Saying I don't do something is not being critical of another person.[/QUOTE]

I never said you posted with a double standard mate. I said I hope there is no double standard. I see your posts and you are one of the only guys on here who actually knows what they are talking about.

The only difference between you and me is this hobby is more of a priority for me over buying gadgets LOL. Gadgets are my 2nd weakness. If I see a stunner and she will do what I want, I will pay large. The most I have paid for an over night is 20 K baht. The least I have paid for an overnight is 2000 Baht. For ST, the most I have paid was 10,000 baht. The least was 800 baht.

I like to go out to the bars and buy drinks for the ladies as it creates a good vibe and I have great fun. Often getting freebies in bars like Club Fate, Maggie Mays, and Cat flaps behind the curtains.

I love Pattaya because it has something for everyone. The Cheap Charlie will have a blast. The baller will have a blast. I am stuck in the middle. One night I am a baller at a club. The next night I Cheap Charlie out and get a 1200ST to my condo.

Peace out.

[QUOTE=Pulse0101;2868220] Did that and headed to the hotel to then find Ploy to be in a big hurry! As you can imagine, not a great experience. Came down to find the friend waiting for her. LOL, they obviously had other plans![/QUOTE]Are you curious to know what these girls plan was?

Ask Mr Explorer, he knows it all about off-hours hobbying of Pattaya working girls.

Real Life Dow and Dirty on the Soi. You know which one Chat.

So I settled,. It's really hard to find an Attractive Girl. Not Stunner just attractive to my tasete. Baitoey being an Ideal.

1. She said she charges normal 2,500 but has never had a Customer at that price. Is she a 2,500 girl?

2. Her speech pattern was odd. Kind of Creepy.

3. There was no Chemistry. Just how it goes Chat.

4. Anyone notice people are able to sit on the Pattaya Beach without the Mafia getting in their face. Good thing.

Live reports. I'm sitting on the Beach surrounded by 8 of Pattaya's best beach road girls.

An old Norwegian prototype Monger goes up to Undoubtedly the ugliest one and offer 700 baht. No deal.

I thought his offer was way too High. She really really really unattractive. While among the other 7 there are Ok looking ones.

Sorry but I can't tell service Level s by just looking at them. Hahaha.

OMG Pattaya is fun.

All my life I been poor. But it really doesn't matter no more. Cuz no matter what they say. SubCmdr gonna be OK.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868351]I never said you posted with a double standard mate. I said I hope there is no double standard. I see your posts and you are one of the only guys on here who actually knows what they are talking about.

The only difference between you and me is this hobby is more of a priority for me over buying gadgets LOL. Gadgets are my 2nd weakness. If I see a stunner and she will do what I want, I will pay large. The most I have paid for an over night is 20 K baht. The least I have paid for an overnight is 2000 Baht. For ST, the most I have paid was 10,000 baht. The least was 800 baht.

I like to go out to the bars and buy drinks for the ladies as it creates a good vibe and I have great fun. Often getting freebies in bars like Club Fate, Maggie Mays, and Cat flaps behind the curtains..[/QUOTE]You keep it 100 my brother. Much respect! Real recognize real.

In all aspects except for budget were are dead on point. I like Pattaya because strangely enough I have found my peace here. If I want to go hard in the paint, pull 10000 out of the ATM, roll up into Windmill 1 and have the mamasan move the cheap charlies out of my favorite seat cause me and my friend are each about to by a bottle and make it rain up in that mother fucker, I can do that. Balling on a budget for one night. The next night I can have one of my 1000ST girls come over. The next night my girl might come over and spent the night. When that happens I know I am going to get my dick sucked in the morning and blow a load of splooge into her mouth. She will still have time for a shower and a tea before she leaves for work. I ask you ([I]not you my ISG brother because you already know what time it is[/I]) what exactly is there not to like?

Pattaya is fun. But you certainly cannot tell that from the all the negativity that gets posted up in here. [B]LOL![/B].

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2868290]if I had to chose one between all the soi 6 bars I tried I would say Roxy[/QUOTE]Roxy is always fun. One of my favorite Soi 6 girls since 2016 is Mook at Roxy. Not sure if she's currently there she comes and goes. I no longer go to the room with her but I do buy her drinks. She's a lot of fun even downstairs.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2868232]The rumor is that Soi Buakhow will be changed to one way Real Soon Now.[/QUOTE]

Going North to South I hope. That's how I get to Walking Street!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868269]I am here now, so sadly you are mistaken. Everything on here is on big debate LOL.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2022.

I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2023.

I can say definitively that hotel prices went up between those two trips, very noticeably in fact.

I don't think they'll go higher than where they are at now though, tourists numbers will dwindle, high season will disappoint.

When I return during low season in 2024 I expect the prices will be same as in 2023. But we'll see.

I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).

Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.

Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.

I just recently completed a 4-week trip to Southeast Asia. My original itinerary was aggressive, and included Singapore, Ho Cho Minh City, Phnom Penh, Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya and Bangkok. At the last minute I decided to scale it back and visited Singapore, HCMC, Pattaya and Bangkok. I will quote any prices in local currency unless I paid US dollars like on Agoda and Airbnb. Thai Baht was around 36 to the dollar the whole time. Singapore dollar was 1. 36 and the Vietnamese Dong was 24500. So, $100 is 36000 Thai Baht, 136 Sing dollars and 2,450,000 Vietnamese dong.

[B]Transportation[/B]

[B]Air[/B]

I got a good deal on a Singapore Airlines flight in Business Class by booking very early. The flight was from Newark to Singapore, a stopover in Singapore and then on to HCMC. My return was Bangkok to Newark, connecting in Singapore. I also had to book a round trip on United to get to and from Newark to connect with my Singapore flight. I really don't like to have separate tickets for flights like that as if something happens, you have to scramble to reschedule.

That EWR to SIN flight is long. Supposedly one of the longest flights in the world. Outbound it took almost 19 hours and the return over 17. The route on the outbound flight went eastward. Flying over Norway, Europe, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh. I was a bit paranoid about stray missiles. The return was over the Pacific, skirting Alaska and northern Canada. Luckily the service on the flight was excellent. Alot of decent food and plenty of drinks. I was able to catch some sleep but not enough.

I also flew on VietJet from HCMC to Bangkok. A budget airline similar to Spirit, I imagine. Spent almost an hour in the line to check in and then another hour to clear immigration. No issues with the actual flight. Next time I will probably spend a couple more $$ to fly a decent airline.

[B]Taxi[/B]

I used Nam's taxi ([URL]namsladydrivers@gmail.com[/URL]) for my trip from Bangkok Airport (BKK) to Pattaya (1200 baht) and from Pattaya to my Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7 (1500 baht). I like Nam's as they employ strictly older Thai ladies as drivers. You can find rides a few hundred baht cheaper but you never know who is driving. Some Thai taxi drivers act like they have a death wish. Nam's drive newer Toyota Camrys, a ton of room in the back seat. They drive very carefully, just at the speed limit. They are always early and ready to go. I highly recommend them.

In Singapore and Vietnam, I used Grab. Uber was pretty much non-existent. Pretty straight forward and you can charge to your credit card like you do with Uber. Only issue was that the location service for your pickup location wasn't that great at times. Short rides were incredibly inexpensive.

In Pattaya I only used Grab once to go to a bar in Jomtiem (I had never been there). The trip there was fine but the driver got lost on the way back. I have a feeling he did not read very well and could not interpret the map. The rest of the time I just used the Baht Bus. The best transportation value in the world. 10 baht gets you down to Soi 6 on Second road or up to Walking Street on Beach Road. I still haven't used the Baht Bus up and down Soi Buakhao yet.

[B]Hotels[/B]

This trip I decided to change things up and do some Condo rentals.

Since I was only going to be in Singapore a few nights, I just rented a hotel room, the Hotel BenCoolen on Hong Kong street, very near Singapore's Chinatown. $135 a night on Agoda. Yes, Singapore is expensive. A decent hotel, OK breakfast with pretty poor Wi-Fi. I was in a building just adjacent to the main building and had my own key card to access the building and the elevator. Would have been totally guest friendly as no one would see you go up. I didn't try as I did most of my playing in Geylang.

In Vietnam I rented an Airbnb. $31.42 per night. It was located in the heart of Little Japan / Japan Town. It was a very nice unit, large bed, washer, full kitchen and pretty good internet. Only downside was that it was on the second floor (the third level) and to get upstairs you had to climb a very narrow, winding staircase. Not an issue except trying to lug my suitcase up and down those stairs.

In Pattaya I usually stay at the Areca lodge which is a great hotel right in the heart of the action. Good rooms, great pools and a very good buffet breakfast. But I tried to book a week there for this trip after I adjusted my itinerary and there were no rooms available. So, I ended up at the Honey Boutique Hotel on Soi Honey. It is right across the street from the Acqua Hotel (another very nice hotel but only had the small rooms).

The Honey Boutique was a decent and inexpensive hotel. About $23 a night including taxes. A pretty large room, balcony, good bath and shower. Breakfast was OK and it was a shared service between 3 of their hotels in a little adjacent restaurant. They advertise a pool on Agoda but you really get to use the pool at the 24/7 Boutique hotel across the street. Only real negative was that the Wi-Fi wasn't too great. I would stay again but only if nothing better, like the Areca was available.

In Pattaya I then moved to a condo in the View Talay 6 building, room 22-838. I rented this through Dancewatchers. This was a very nice unit on the 22nd floor with a great view of the bay on the Walking Street side. I had a full kitchen, washer (no dryer), large comfortable King bed and mirrors everywhere, including over the bed. A nice 5. 1 TV setup which I really didn't use. Excellent internet with a dedicated router. I opted to get the daily housekeeping and that contributed to a pretty high cost of $70 per night.

The View Talay 6 building is conveniently located on Second Road right next to the Central Festival mall. In the basement of the mall is an incredible grocery / food court where you can get almost any imported food item you might want. On the first floor of the VT6 building are a number of massage shops, convenience stores and a little restaurant that was surprisingly good. I would definitely stay here again but would cut down on the housekeeping.

In Bangkok I rented an Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7. It was a little way down the Soi so it was isolated from most bar noise and had few motos racing around. It was about a 5-minute walk to Sukhumvit and was very close to the Nana BTS station. The condo was pretty good. Full kitchen, washer / dryer combo. Nice king size bed in a separate room. There was a balcony but it was small and really no view. Just good enough to catch a quick smoke and hang some laundry. Very fast Wi-Fi and TV had access to Netflix, Prime, etc. But you had to use your own account. The only downside was that only two towels and one set of sheets was provided so you had to do without while you laundered them. I did not contract for any housekeeping services. The room was on the second floor and the elevator was always available and pretty quick. You enter the building through the garage and the security guard there pretty much just acknowledges your arrival as a keycard is necessary to entire the main building. The unit ran about $53 per night taxes and fees included.

[B]Nightlife[/B]

[B]Singapore[/B]

As I stated earlier, Singapore is expensive. A beer will generally run from S $15 to S $20. A pack of cigarettes is around S $15. Vaping is very illegal.

The first night I found two Indian hostess bars a short walk from my hotel. I really didn't stay long enough to figure out exactly how things worked in there but I did drink a S $15 beer. It looked like the dancers on the stage would come and sit with you if you bought them a drink. I saw a couple of customers call some girls down from the stage, chat for a minute or two and then the girls returned to the stage. I'm guessing that the lady drink costa was a bit prohibitive or they told the guys they were "drinks only" I. E. , no bar fine possible. I did splurge on another beer, watched but didn't see anyone I really wanted to talk to so I left.

Next to one of the Indian bars was another bar where you walked up a narrow staircase. It was a bit creepy but I went up anyway. When I got to the bar, I was pleasantly surprised. It was a relatively large space playing 70's, 80's rock and roll and there were a lot of cute women and very few customers. I sat down at a table and ordered a beer and was very pleased when I was told it was only S $10. As I drank the beer two pretty little things sat down at my table and we began to chat. They were Filipinas as were most of the women there. They spoke great English. They were under contract to the bar and stayed as a group in housing supplied by the bar owner. Didn't sound like the best situation. We chatted for a while and they never hit me up for a drink or asked for anything so I ordered another beer. I asked them what it would cost to buy them a drink and I almost fell over when one said S $60 each. She did day that they get S $35 of that and they have a drink quota of 7 drinks. Unfortunately for them I told them that was way out of my budget range. They didn't act surprised or get angry and continued to chat with me while a finished my beer. I didn't even ask them what a barfine would cost since a beer was S $60 and I was pretty beat from my long flight from the US. I thanked them, left and went back to my hotel and slept for 10 hours.

The next night I went to Ipanema. This bar used to be the main freelancer spot in the infamous Orchard tower, but has moved to a new location. To find it search google for the Ipanema World Music Bar. The new bar was very nice. It was a huge space with a lot of comfortable table and bar seating. A very good Filipino band was covering old rock and roll standards. They had two very hot female singers and a killer guitar player. I went pretty early, around 9:30 and it wasn't too crowded but there were still a lot of very pretty, well dressed freelancers roaming the bar area. Almost everyone I spoke with was Vietnamese. Most appeared to be in their 20's / 30's. Almost every one of them came by to talk and unlike many places like this they didn't immediately hit me up for a drink. Since they are freelancers, they don't make money hustling drinks but want you to take them back to your hotel. Most of them started out saying their fee was S $300 - S $500. I just smiled and said no thank you and then you could see them go into negotiation mode. I ended up with a gorgeous (IMO), petite 29-year-old Viet woman for S $150 for two hours. She said she would spend the night if I bought her breakfast. That was a no brainer and had a great time. I know I still overspent that night but I did want to revisit the Ipanema experience as I had been there 15 years ago when Orchard tower was known as the four floors of working girls. The new venue was a lot tamer but still a very good time.

I had done my research and found that the Geylang District is where you go to visit the legal massage parlors. While they are called massage parlors, they are really just brothels. All of the pricing is all in, there is no basic massage price and then an upsell for HJ, BJ or full service. Here everything is included for one price. There are probably 50 to 75 separate parlors and they are all basically set up the same. Each place usually has women from a single country. The only ones I encountered were Vietnamese, Thai and Chinese. Supposedly there are a few Filipino shops but I never saw one. The Chinese were usually a little more expensive. The reason I got was that a lot of the locals speak Chinese so it was easier to interact. Prices ranged from S $80 to S $120 for 40 minutes or an hour (varies by shop). Some places you won't see anything you like. No problem to just go to the next shop. They are used to it. The ones that I visited it seemed the procedure was pretty consistent. You speak to the manager (usually a guy) out front and discuss what you want. You choose the girl from a lineup or a fishbowl. You pay the full price up front. You go to the back where you a led to a shower. She will usually shower with you to be sure you are squeaky clean (mutual scrubbing allowed) and I am sure they also do an inspection of your equipment to be sure you don't have any obvious diseases. You dry off and go to a private room with a decent sized bed. She covers it with towels, you lay down and the fun begins. You can get a massage if you want but it won't be very professional. Every place I was you could do just about anything you wanted though I did not ask about anal. If you want that I would ask the guy at the front door and I am sure he would have someone to suggest. BJ was uncovered, sex was wrapped. DATY, fingering, kissing was all on the table. The session ends when your time is up, not when you finish. Afterwards shower and optionally tip the lady for a job well done. There were many cute, young women in a lot of the shops. There were also quite a few grannies. I had no problem finding someone I liked in most of the shops.

[B]Ho Chi Minh City[/B]

As I was only here a couple of nights, I really didn't get out of the Little Japan area very much. I planned to explore the freelancer bars on Pasteur St but never got around to it. I was very disappointed that my favorite freelancer bar, Apocalypse Now, shut down during Covid and never reopened. Japan Town is expensive when compared to the rest of HCMC as it has a lot of well-heel Japanese tourists. In Japan Town, there are two types of places. The first are massage parlors. Unlike those in Singapore, these at least pretend to be about massage. These places are well lit and the women working in them were for the most part young and attractive. They were all very well dressed in similarly colored outfits. There were usually 10 to 25 women to choose from. The entry fee is 400 K dong (about $16) for a basic one-hour massage. You pay that fee and go to a private room with either a bed or a large massage table. You shower together and I swear every woman I was with thoroughly washed every nook and cranny on my body. You get on the bed and she starts a pretty underwhelming massage. After about five minutes she has you flip, crawls on top of you and asks if you want extras. HJ was 500 K dong, BJ was 1 M dong and full service was 2 M dong. I usually opted for the BJ. Again, BJ uncovered, sex covered. I found the pricing and procedures pretty consistent across all of the shops I visited.

The other type of venue was Japanese styled hostess bars. In these bars you basically buy drinks to have a very good-looking woman sit with you. They almost all speak passable English and Japanese. Apparently, this type of bar is very popular in Japan. Drinks for me were a bit pricey at 160 K dong but the lady drinks were 400 K or 500 K dong. I didn't ask about bar fines as I was getting satisfied in the massage parlors. I am sure, if available, it would be very expensive. I think that a lot of these women are "drinks only". I didn't spend too much time in these places.

One bar that was unique for Little Japan was Miss Saigon. This bar name is popular here in HCMC but this one is a little hole in the wall in Little Japan. I popped in there at 6 pm to get out of a downpour, on my way to dinner. It was the only bar I could find that opened before 8 pm.

Inside I got a beer and it was reasonably priced, around 45 K dong. There were 4 young women working in the bar, all attractive but not drop dead gorgeous. They were just working, chatting up the customers but not hustling, trying to get drinks. They played a lot of old western music and would let you pick songs for them to play off Spotify. The bar started to fill up with expats, Australian and UK folks. They seemed to be regulars as they knew the waitresses well. I saw they did buy the ladies a round of shots and I asked them how much it was. They were $160 K dong, about $6. 50. Not bad for a lady drink. I ended up buying them a round of shots myself and other customers did too. The owner came in, an attractive Viet MILF, she bought a couple of rounds. Everyone was getting hammered, especially the barmaids. They also were getting quite friendly with all of us. I'm sure a reasonable bar fine could have been negotiated but I was frankly this old guy was way too buzzed to do anything about it. I ended up leaving around midnight as I wanted to be sure I could find my way back to the apartment. I had a ton of drinks myself and bought a couple of rounds for the ladies and some drinks for a couple of the expats and probably spent around $60. I never did get dinner.

[B]Pattaya[/B]

Pattaya is a playground. There are hundreds of bars, massage places and other venues centrally located that cater to our hobby. There were a lot more bars open than when I visited a year ago and most were staffed with a lot of women. Unfortunately (for them) there still weren't that many tourists for them to ply their trade so there was kind of a slight feeling of desperation. I visited a lot of them and there is no way to recount everything. I am just going to talk about some places that stood out. As an aside, most bars officially close at 2 am but will stay open later with the lights out if they still have customers. They exception are the nightclubs which really don't even get started until 11:30 pm or later. I seldom make it to closing time.

[B]Walking Street[/B]

I only went down there a couple of times and that was primarily to visit one of my favorite bars in Pattaya, the Bamboo Bar. Around 10 or 10:30 Bamboo gets really crowded. The women are all freelancers and the majority are 30+ and quite a few into their 40's and 50's though I did see a few younger ones that probably are enjoying the lack of competition from other young women. They are always dressed nice and ready to party. Drinks at Bamboo are a bit pricey for Pattaya but there is no lady drink surcharge. Normal freelancer rates seemed to prevail with 1 k TO 1. 5 k be ST and 2. 5 K to 3 K be LT.

I hit a couple of Walking Street gogos and didn't stay very long. Drinks were very pricey and there was a lot of pressure to buy lady drinks. Bar fines were in the 1 K plus range and most of the women were starting negotiation at 5 K.

Hit a couple of beer bars on the main strip and the drink prices were surprisingly reasonable though when sitting you are constantly hounded by the myriad of ladyboys that hang just outside on the street.

Went into the original Windmills and it is just a raunchy as I remember it. For the price of a lady drink or two you can fondle, kiss, lick to your heart's content. I did not stop in top their new location just across the street.

[B]Soi 6[/B]

It seemed like almost every bar location was open and fully staffed. Unfortunately, few customers but a caveat, I usually went early, just around 8 pm. The women are aggressive trying to pill you into their bar and I pity the poor Japanese dudes that walked down the street, they were literally mobbed. To me almost all of these bars are pretty much the same so if you see a woman you like, follow her in and buy her a drink. Most of the places I went were quoting 400 be for the room and 1500 be for them though a few were asking for 2 Kb and sticking to it.

Visually, one place stood out. About halfway down the street is a bar I believe is called Flirts. It looked like they had a "No Silicone" hiring policy. All of the women were petite and apparently natural. A few were simply adorable. Unfortunately, they had the balloons up that night for a party and they were jammed. The music was loud and really nowhere to sit.

[B]LK Metro[/B]

I didn't hit any of the LK Metro gogos except for Kink. I think this place rivals Windmills on the raunchy scale and the women were a bit more attractive. Typical gogo drink and bar fine prices.

I also hit Billabongs on a couple of evenings. Live band (not too bad) every night and beers are two for one at 120 be. Manyu of the women working there are way past their sell by date but there were a few younger and attractive ones. Barfine was 300 be and typical takeaway price was 1. 5 k be.

[B]Soi Buakhao / Soi Diana Area[/B]

Buakhao is probably my favorite Soi to just walk, sightsee and stop into a bar for a quick drink. It is also home to my favorite late-night snack, Bronx pizza. Many of the bars have live music and most of the workers can be barfined. Prices vary drastically from bar to bar but most are in the reasonable range. Some places do have some higher barfines as they are short-staffed and really don't want all of the women leaving before closing time.

A new nightclub opened on the corner of Soi Buakhao and Soi Chaiyapoon, Club Juju. This place has a live band, lots of seating and no real dance floor. Drink prices weren't outrageous for a nightclub and the server were very efficient. A lot of bar workers come here when their shift ends as well as a lot of regular freelancers. Since this is a nightclub, no lady drink surcharge and no barfine though most women wanted 2 K to 3 k be to go out. Since it doesn't start until very late you are probably going to be getting back to your room around 3 or 4 am and they will usually want to spend the night instead of getting a grab that late. So, you do generally get a little morning activity as well for the fee. One caution. Quite a few ladyboys frequent this place and they are usually dressed to kill and look pretty good. Don't get too drunk you can't tell the difference.

A couple of new bars on Soi Diana that had some attractive women working. The beer bar complex up toward second road was usually pretty dead. One of my favorite bars just to catch a drink and bullshit is Luck Bar right across from the Areca Lodge. I don't know why, but this bar always has a good crowd, despite the fact that there are only a couple of attractive women working there.

[B]Soi Chaiyapoon[/B]

The road which I was told was recently "fixed" is still a mess of potholes. After a good rain it can be difficult to walk down the street without getting your feet soaked. No real bars stood out but I did hit Maggie Mays a few times. They have a couple of younger and pretty cute ones on staff now but they get scooped up pretty quickly. I did hook up with one of them and I believe it was 500 be for the room and 1500 be for her.

Not really on Chaiyapoon but down Soi Excite is Club Excite. I went in there after a disappointing trip to Soi Bongkot (see below) and was pleasantly surprised. Had a very pleasurable session with a very petite, almost western looking woman. Same prices as Maggie Mays. Afterward, I asked her what it would cost for her to visit me in my hotel after work (she was that good looking and gave great service) and she said 3 K be LT. Didn't pull the trigger.

[B]Soi Bongkat[/B]

A short moto taxi ride from the Buakhao area are 4 or 5 gentlemen's clubs located side-by-side in what would be classified as a strip mall in the states. I hit all of them and didn't see anything I was interested in. Since it wasn't even dark outside yet, I was probably there too early.

[B]Soi Honey[/B]

Some new bars have opened on Soi Honey. One of them is Lips Lounge about halfway up the Soi. Apparently, the owner of this bar used to own the notorious Pandoras gogo in LK Metro (I don't know if this is true or not). Well Lips Lounge has a similar format. About 3 or 4, medium attractive ladies dancing on stage and another 4 or 5 waiting their turn. Call any of them over and buy them a drink. After one or two drinks you will find your fly down and the lady giving you head. You can also reciprocate if you choose to. No additional charge for this service but they do expect a significant gratuity.

Stopped in the Runway Bar and the night I went I was not really impressed with the quality of the ladies working. They good ones might have already been barfined.

A new gentlemen's club, the Honey Lounge has opened. I stopped in late and there really weren't any women left to choose. Pricing similar to Maggie Mays.

Lots of "dirty" massage places on Soi Honey, Soi Chaiyapoon and Soi Buakhao. Generally, 300 be for the room and 1 K be for the woman for an hour of full service. Lots of very attractive ladies soliciting work at these places. Also, a lot of over-the-hill ones. Just be sure to pick a woman as there are quite a few ladyboys mixed in at the shops.

[B]Bangkok[/B]

I was staying down Sukhumvit Soi 7. Last year I would have spent some time at the Beer Garden, but alas, it is no more. It has been replaced with a beer bar complex. As it was convenient and there were some good-looking women, I did drink here on a few occasions. I never did bar fine from here though so I do not know the prices.

Walking a few blocks up Sukhumvit, you will find the Thermae bar. This is a basement bar underneath the Ruamchitt hotel. Inside the bar you are quickly ushered to the counter where you are required to order a drink. Not cheap, not expensive for Bangkok. In the middle of the bar is kind of an open island where you can sit if there are seats available. The two time I went there it was absolutely packed with freelancers, a lot of them quite attractive, in every conceivable shape and size. The girls here are usually dressed in normal clothes (not * ware) and are not aggressive but will eyeball you, smile and wave if they are interested. A lot of people report that the women are mostly trying to attract Asian customers and will pretty much ignore westerners. I did not find this to be the case. I'm 68 years old, very white, tall, not overweight but definitely not these girl's ideal mate and I got all of the attention I could handle. Since this is a freelancer destination there is no bar fine and no lady drink surcharge. Take home fee was 1. 5 K to 2 K be. A couple of them said 3 K but you could tell they were just testing the waters. What I did find that a lot of these women only wanted to short time as they had to go to work in the morning.

Outside of Thermae all the way from Soi 11 to Soi 15 are a ton of freelancers just hanging out waiting for an interested customer. They were not aggressive and for the most part were dressed in regular, casual clothes. I did have probably one of my best sessions from one of these girls. Petite, sexy and a little dynamo for almost 2 hours. I probably overpaid at 1500 be but I was not disappointed.

Went to Nana Plaza a couple of times. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of incredible women in the gogos but it is incredibly expensive to drink for yourself and the lady drinks are outrageously priced. And as soon as you sit down, the mamasan or server is putting on a lot of pressure to buy at least one lady drink for a dancer and of course one for herself. I really didn't hang in any one gogo for very long.

The bars just outside of Nana Plaza on Soi 4 are good places to meet women. There are the servers who are barfinable as well as many freelancers hanging around. Drinks weren't too outrageous in these bars and the talent was pretty good. Hooter, across the street has some incredibly good-looking servers but I doubt that they can be barfined. I didn't ask but I imagine if you are a younger guy with some game, you could probably arrange an after-shift rendezvous (for a price of course).

There are a lot of small bars and some nightclubs on Soi 11. I never stayed up late enough to hit the clubs but did hit some of the smaller bars. Like most of Bangkok, a lot of pressure to buy the lady drinks.

Soi 7/1 is the debauchery soi. Two BJ bars most of the way down the soi, Annies, I believe it used to be Dr. BJs (not to be confused with the now closed famous massage place) and Wood Bar. Both of these places are pretty much the same. You pay 800 be to have a woman take you in a back room for a BJ. The women are a bit older and not that good looking but it is very dark inside. I did have to partake one time just for the experience. It was underwhelming but it was only 800 be.

[B]Summary[/B]

Overall, I had a great time. I made the same mistake I make every trip, overdoing it the first few days then having to really scale back for a bit. I will return if I can find a reasonably priced business class flight. I will probably skip Singapore the next time just because of the cost factor. I do want to explore more of Vietnam as I am really attracted to the women. And of course, I would hit Thailand again, maybe spending a few nights in Chiang Mai.

I think my next major trip might be in April or May. I saw United had some not to outrageous flights to Manila that only stops once from my hometown. I would of course visit Angeles City but will look for another area, maybe Cebu or Subic to spend a few nights. I will probably only spend a couple of nights in Manila, just before and after my flights.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2868434]I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).

Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.

Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya 2 months ago and I'll give some feedback for you.

Don't discuss BBFS, just go for it. Any negotiation will always lead to higher prices for you.

I spent most of my time in the gentleman's club (Passion, Kineree, etc), but also went to different SOI's, the high end Gogo's, beer bars and had some street walkers.

Here is how I approached it and so should you.

Gentleman's clubs.

I take the girl to the room. No negotiation for BBFS before going to the room, just a clarification on the price for sex, usually by the manager / mamason.

In the room, if the chemistry was good we started in right away and I tried to go BBFS without even attempting to put on a condom, many of the girls were ok with it.

In other cases, I jumped into the shower, she followed me in and I would start to have BBFS with her in the shower. If this was ok with her I knew we would continue in bed.

I would say about 60-70% of the girls from the GC's I went with were ok with BBFS+CIP.

Soapy's. Only went to Soi Honey on this trip as they are a little more expensive, but when in Rome!

Started sex with condom after bath and rub down, but after about 10 minutes I took the condom off and was able to persuade her to have BB sex.

She was a little reluctant but gave in after a few seconds of persuasion. I ended up giving her a $20.00 tip after. Massage - $70.00 + $20.00 tip = $90.00 US.

Street Walkers.

Didn't go with that many, but had a few back to my room.

Most asked if I had a condom and I said no. So BBFS was with most, but not all.

Prices ranged between $35-$50 US.

Gogo bars.

Same rule applies here, did not discuss BBFS, but received it with about 50% of the high end gogo girls.

I was expecting to have some say no, which they did, because they are a little more educated about STD's from their managers, etc so if they come down with something from you they are out of business. Because they cost so much more than beer bar girls, GC's, SW's, etc. , some were willing to give me that service without paying extra. (never offer to pay more because they will all want more).

I think BBFS is dependent on you and the girl. If you are under 45 years old, fit, attractive (by her standards) you will be better equipped to get what you want.

In Thailand, I wouldn't ask for BBFS up front unless you are not in this category and want her to charge you more. I'm sure the high end Gogo bar girls would ask for an arm and a leg for BBFS if you try and negotiate up front before leaving to your hotel room. So I avoid any and all pre negotiated prices for extra services. Remember this line, "It's always better to ask for forgiveness after than permission before" translate this into punting and you will always pay more and receive less if you try to negotiate all up front in Pattaya.

This, for me, is quite different than BBFS in Germany in places like Sharks, Palace, Artemis, etc where the girls nickle and dime you for each and every extra service now.

In Germany I always negotiate up front and ask if I can have BBFS. Some girls say yes, others say no. Sometimes I will try and persuade them anyways, but if they are educated on STD's as they are required to take weekly tests, many will decline unless they are really desperate for the money.

And in some cases I ask in the room. Most girls will ask for more (+50 E) for it.

I've had many sessions in FKK's where the girl will approach me and tell me I can do whatever I want to her.

When I hear those words and she looks good, off we go, no condom is used with BBFS+CIP.

Last disclaimer. I usually don't go with the youngest, prettiest little spinner in the clubs, bars, etc. I seek out the more mature, MILF types that have been around the block.

Maybe that's why I usually get what I want. YMMV will depend on your looks.

My advice is to get and use Prep from your doctor to reduce the risk of getting something you don't want.

Also use condoms.

Mods, can we add this to the reports of distinction, it is perfect.

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2868443]I just recently completed a 4-week trip to Southeast Asia. My original itinerary was aggressive, and included Singapore, Ho Cho Minh City, Phnom Penh, Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya and Bangkok. At the last minute I decided to scale it back and visited Singapore, HCMC, Pattaya and Bangkok. I will quote any prices in local currency unless I paid US dollars like on Agoda and Airbnb. Thai Baht was around 36 to the dollar the whole time. Singapore dollar was 1. 36 and the Vietnamese Dong was 24500. So, $100 is 36000 Thai Baht, 136 Sing dollars and 2,450,000 Vietnamese dong.

[B]Transportation[/B]

[B]Air[/B]

I got a good deal on a Singapore Airlines flight in Business Class by booking very early. The flight was from Newark to Singapore, a stopover in Singapore and then on to HCMC. My return was Bangkok to Newark, connecting in Singapore. I also had to book a round trip on United to get to and from Newark to connect with my Singapore flight. I really don't like to have separate tickets for flights like that as if something happens, you have to scramble to reschedule.

That EWR to SIN flight is long. Supposedly one of the longest flights in the world. Outbound it took almost 19 hours and the return over 17. The route on the outbound flight went eastward. Flying over Norway, Europe, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh. I was a bit paranoid about stray missiles. The return was over the Pacific, skirting Alaska and northern Canada. Luckily the service on the flight was excellent. Alot of decent food and plenty of drinks. I was able to catch some sleep but not enough.

I also flew on VietJet from HCMC to Bangkok. A budget airline similar to Spirit, I imagine. Spent almost an hour in the line to check in and then another hour to clear immigration. No issues with the actual flight. Next time I will probably spend a couple more $$ to fly a decent airline.

[B]Taxi[/B]

I used Nam's taxi ([URL]namsladydrivers@gmail.com[/URL]) for my trip from Bangkok Airport (BKK) to Pattaya (1200 baht) and from Pattaya to my Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7 (1500 baht). I like Nam's as they employ strictly older Thai ladies as drivers. You can find rides a few hundred baht cheaper but you never know who is driving. Some Thai taxi drivers act like they have a death wish. Nam's drive newer Toyota Camrys, a ton of room in the back seat. They drive very carefully, just at the speed limit. They are always early and ready to go. I highly recommend them.

In Singapore and Vietnam, I used Grab. Uber was pretty much non-existent. Pretty straight forward and you can charge to your credit card like you do with Uber. Only issue was that the location service for your pickup location wasn't that great at times. Short rides were incredibly inexpensive.

In Pattaya I only used Grab once to go to a bar in Jomtiem (I had never been there). The trip there was fine but the driver got lost on the way back. I have a feeling he did not read very well and could not interpret the map. The rest of the time I just used the Baht Bus. The best transportation value in the world. 10 baht gets you down to Soi 6 on Second road or up to Walking Street on Beach Road. I still haven't used the Baht Bus up and down Soi Buakhao yet.

[B]Hotels[/B]

This trip I decided to change things up and do some Condo rentals.

Since I was only going to be in Singapore a few nights, I just rented a hotel room, the Hotel BenCoolen on Hong Kong street, very near Singapore's Chinatown. $135 a night on Agoda. Yes, Singapore is expensive. A decent hotel, OK breakfast with pretty poor Wi-Fi. I was in a building just adjacent to the main building and had my own key card to access the building and the elevator. Would have been totally guest friendly as no one would see you go up. I didn't try as I did most of my playing in Geylang.

In Vietnam I rented an Airbnb. $31.42 per night. It was located in the heart of Little Japan / Japan Town. It was a very nice unit, large bed, washer, full kitchen and pretty good internet. Only downside was that it was on the second floor (the third level) and to get upstairs you had to climb a very narrow, winding staircase. Not an issue except trying to lug my suitcase up and down those stairs.

In Pattaya I usually stay at the Areca lodge which is a great hotel right in the heart of the action. Good rooms, great pools and a very good buffet breakfast. But I tried to book a week there for this trip after I adjusted my itinerary and there were no rooms available. So, I ended up at the Honey Boutique Hotel on Soi Honey. It is right across the street from the Acqua Hotel (another very nice hotel but only had the small rooms).

The Honey Boutique was a decent and inexpensive hotel. About $23 a night including taxes. A pretty large room, balcony, good bath and shower. Breakfast was OK and it was a shared service between 3 of their hotels in a little adjacent restaurant. They advertise a pool on Agoda but you really get to use the pool at the 24/7 Boutique hotel across the street. Only real negative was that the Wi-Fi wasn't too great. I would stay again but only if nothing better, like the Areca was available.

In Pattaya I then moved to a condo in the View Talay 6 building, room 22-838. I rented this through Dancewatchers. This was a very nice unit on the 22nd floor with a great view of the bay on the Walking Street side. I had a full kitchen, washer (no dryer), large comfortable King bed and mirrors everywhere, including over the bed. A nice 5. 1 TV setup which I really didn't use. Excellent internet with a dedicated router. I opted to get the daily housekeeping and that contributed to a pretty high cost of $70 per night.

The View Talay 6 building is conveniently located on Second Road right next to the Central Festival mall. In the basement of the mall is an incredible grocery / food court where you can get almost any imported food item you might want. On the first floor of the VT6 building are a number of massage shops, convenience stores and a little restaurant that was surprisingly good. I would definitely stay here again but would cut down on the housekeeping.

In Bangkok I rented an Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7. It was a little way down the Soi so it was isolated from most bar noise and had few motos racing around. It was about a 5-minute walk to Sukhumvit and was very close to the Nana BTS station. The condo was pretty good. Full kitchen, washer / dryer combo. Nice king size bed in a separate room. There was a balcony but it was small and really no view. Just good enough to catch a quick smoke and hang some laundry. Very fast Wi-Fi and TV had access to Netflix, Prime, etc. But you had to use your own account. The only downside was that only two towels and one set of sheets was provided so you had to do without while you laundered them. I did not contract for any housekeeping services. The room was on the second floor and the elevator was always available and pretty quick. You enter the building through the garage and the security guard there pretty much just acknowledges your arrival as a keycard is necessary to entire the main building. The unit ran about $53 per night taxes and fees included.

[B]Nightlife[/B]

[B]Singapore[/B]

As I stated earlier, Singapore is expensive. A beer will generally run from S $15 to S $20. A pack of cigarettes is around S $15. Vaping is very illegal.

The first night I found two Indian hostess bars a short walk from my hotel. I really didn't stay long enough to figure out exactly how things worked in there but I did drink a S $15 beer. It looked like the dancers on the stage would come and sit with you if you bought them a drink. I saw a couple of customers call some girls down from the stage, chat for a minute or two and then the girls returned to the stage. I'm guessing that the lady drink costa was a bit prohibitive or they told the guys they were "drinks only" I. E. , no bar fine possible. I did splurge on another beer, watched but didn't see anyone I really wanted to talk to so I left.

Next to one of the Indian bars was another bar where you walked up a narrow staircase. It was a bit creepy but I went up anyway. When I got to the bar, I was pleasantly surprised. It was a relatively large space playing 70's, 80's rock and roll and there were a lot of cute women and very few customers. I sat down at a table and ordered a beer and was very pleased when I was told it was only S $10. As I drank the beer two pretty little things sat down at my table and we began to chat. They were Filipinas as were most of the women there. They spoke great English. They were under contract to the bar and stayed as a group in housing supplied by the bar owner. Didn't sound like the best situation. We chatted for a while and they never hit me up for a drink or asked for anything so I ordered another beer. I asked them what it would cost to buy them a drink and I almost fell over when one said S $60 each. She did day that they get S $35 of that and they have a drink quota of 7 drinks. Unfortunately for them I told them that was way out of my budget range. They didn't act surprised or get angry and continued to chat with me while a finished my beer. I didn't even ask them what a barfine would cost since a beer was S $60 and I was pretty beat from my long flight from the US. I thanked them, left and went back to my hotel and slept for 10 hours.

The next night I went to Ipanema. This bar used to be the main freelancer spot in the infamous Orchard tower, but has moved to a new location. To find it search google for the Ipanema World Music Bar. The new bar was very nice. It was a huge space with a lot of comfortable table and bar seating. A very good Filipino band was covering old rock and roll standards. They had two very hot female singers and a killer guitar player. I went pretty early, around 9:30 and it wasn't too crowded but there were still a lot of very pretty, well dressed freelancers roaming the bar area. Almost everyone I spoke with was Vietnamese. Most appeared to be in their 20's / 30's. Almost every one of them came by to talk and unlike many places like this they didn't immediately hit me up for a drink. Since they are freelancers, they don't make money hustling drinks but want you to take them back to your hotel. Most of them started out saying their fee was S $300 - S $500. I just smiled and said no thank you and then you could see them go into negotiation mode. I ended up with a gorgeous (IMO), petite 29-year-old Viet woman for S $150 for two hours. She said she would spend the night if I bought her breakfast. That was a no brainer and had a great time. I know I still overspent that night but I did want to revisit the Ipanema experience as I had been there 15 years ago when Orchard tower was known as the four floors of working girls. The new venue was a lot tamer but still a very good time.

I had done my research and found that the Geylang District is where you go to visit the legal massage parlors. While they are called massage parlors, they are really just brothels. All of the pricing is all in, there is no basic massage price and then an upsell for HJ, BJ or full service. Here everything is included for one price. There are probably 50 to 75 separate parlors and they are all basically set up the same. Each place usually has women from a single country. The only ones I encountered were Vietnamese, Thai and Chinese. Supposedly there are a few Filipino shops but I never saw one. The Chinese were usually a little more expensive. The reason I got was that a lot of the locals speak Chinese so it was easier to interact. Prices ranged from S $80 to S $120 for 40 minutes or an hour (varies by shop). Some places you won't see anything you like. No problem to just go to the next shop. They are used to it. The ones that I visited it seemed the procedure was pretty consistent. You speak to the manager (usually a guy) out front and discuss what you want. You choose the girl from a lineup or a fishbowl. You pay the full price up front. You go to the back where you a led to a shower. She will usually shower with you to be sure you are squeaky clean (mutual scrubbing allowed) and I am sure they also do an inspection of your equipment to be sure you don't have any obvious diseases. You dry off and go to a private room with a decent sized bed. She covers it with towels, you lay down and the fun begins. You can get a massage if you want but it won't be very professional. Every place I was you could do just about anything you wanted though I did not ask about anal. If you want that I would ask the guy at the front door and I am sure he would have someone to suggest. BJ was uncovered, sex was wrapped. DATY, fingering, kissing was all on the table. The session ends when your time is up, not when you finish. Afterwards shower and optionally tip the lady for a job well done. There were many cute, young women in a lot of the shops. There were also quite a few grannies. I had no problem finding someone I liked in most of the shops.

[B]Ho Chi Minh City[/B]

As I was only here a couple of nights, I really didn't get out of the Little Japan area very much. I planned to explore the freelancer bars on Pasteur St but never got around to it. I was very disappointed that my favorite freelancer bar, Apocalypse Now, shut down during Covid and never reopened. Japan Town is expensive when compared to the rest of HCMC as it has a lot of well-heel Japanese tourists. In Japan Town, there are two types of places. The first are massage parlors. Unlike those in Singapore, these at least pretend to be about massage. These places are well lit and the women working in them were for the most part young and attractive. They were all very well dressed in similarly colored outfits. There were usually 10 to 25 women to choose from. The entry fee is 400 K dong (about $16) for a basic one-hour massage. You pay that fee and go to a private room with either a bed or a large massage table. You shower together and I swear every woman I was with thoroughly washed every nook and cranny on my body. You get on the bed and she starts a pretty underwhelming massage. After about five minutes she has you flip, crawls on top of you and asks if you want extras. HJ was 500 K dong, BJ was 1 M dong and full service was 2 M dong. I usually opted for the BJ. Again, BJ uncovered, sex covered. I found the pricing and procedures pretty consistent across all of the shops I visited.

The other type of venue was Japanese styled hostess bars. In these bars you basically buy drinks to have a very good-looking woman sit with you. They almost all speak passable English and Japanese. Apparently, this type of bar is very popular in Japan. Drinks for me were a bit pricey at 160 K dong but the lady drinks were 400 K or 500 K dong. I didn't ask about bar fines as I was getting satisfied in the massage parlors. I am sure, if available, it would be very expensive. I think that a lot of these women are "drinks only". I didn't spend too much time in these places.

One bar that was unique for Little Japan was Miss Saigon. This bar name is popular here in HCMC but this one is a little hole in the wall in Little Japan. I popped in there at 6 pm to get out of a downpour, on my way to dinner. It was the only bar I could find that opened before 8 pm.

Inside I got a beer and it was reasonably priced, around 45 K dong. There were 4 young women working in the bar, all attractive but not drop dead gorgeous. They were just working, chatting up the customers but not hustling, trying to get drinks. They played a lot of old western music and would let you pick songs for them to play off Spotify. The bar started to fill up with expats, Australian and UK folks. They seemed to be regulars as they knew the waitresses well. I saw they did buy the ladies a round of shots and I asked them how much it was. They were $160 K dong, about $6. 50. Not bad for a lady drink. I ended up buying them a round of shots myself and other customers did too. The owner came in, an attractive Viet MILF, she bought a couple of rounds. Everyone was getting hammered, especially the barmaids. They also were getting quite friendly with all of us. I'm sure a reasonable bar fine could have been negotiated but I was frankly this old guy was way too buzzed to do anything about it. I ended up leaving around midnight as I wanted to be sure I could find my way back to the apartment. I had a ton of drinks myself and bought a couple of rounds for the ladies and some drinks for a couple of the expats and probably spent around $60. I never did get dinner.

[B]Pattaya[/B]

Pattaya is a playground. There are hundreds of bars, massage places and other venues centrally located that cater to our hobby. There were a lot more bars open than when I visited a year ago and most were staffed with a lot of women. Unfortunately (for them) there still weren't that many tourists for them to ply their trade so there was kind of a slight feeling of desperation. I visited a lot of them and there is no way to recount everything. I am just going to talk about some places that stood out. As an aside, most bars officially close at 2 am but will stay open later with the lights out if they still have customers. They exception are the nightclubs which really don't even get started until 11:30 pm or later. I seldom make it to closing time.

[B]Walking Street[/B]

I only went down there a couple of times and that was primarily to visit one of my favorite bars in Pattaya, the Bamboo Bar. Around 10 or 10:30 Bamboo gets really crowded. The women are all freelancers and the majority are 30+ and quite a few into their 40's and 50's though I did see a few younger ones that probably are enjoying the lack of competition from other young women. They are always dressed nice and ready to party. Drinks at Bamboo are a bit pricey for Pattaya but there is no lady drink surcharge. Normal freelancer rates seemed to prevail with 1 k TO 1. 5 k be ST and 2. 5 K to 3 K be LT.

I hit a couple of Walking Street gogos and didn't stay very long. Drinks were very pricey and there was a lot of pressure to buy lady drinks. Bar fines were in the 1 K plus range and most of the women were starting negotiation at 5 K.

Hit a couple of beer bars on the main strip and the drink prices were surprisingly reasonable though when sitting you are constantly hounded by the myriad of ladyboys that hang just outside on the street.

Went into the original Windmills and it is just a raunchy as I remember it. For the price of a lady drink or two you can fondle, kiss, lick to your heart's content. I did not stop in top their new location just across the street.

[B]Soi 6[/B]

It seemed like almost every bar location was open and fully staffed. Unfortunately, few customers but a caveat, I usually went early, just around 8 pm. The women are aggressive trying to pill you into their bar and I pity the poor Japanese dudes that walked down the street, they were literally mobbed. To me almost all of these bars are pretty much the same so if you see a woman you like, follow her in and buy her a drink. Most of the places I went were quoting 400 be for the room and 1500 be for them though a few were asking for 2 Kb and sticking to it.

Visually, one place stood out. About halfway down the street is a bar I believe is called Flirts. It looked like they had a "No Silicone" hiring policy. All of the women were petite and apparently natural. A few were simply adorable. Unfortunately, they had the balloons up that night for a party and they were jammed. The music was loud and really nowhere to sit.

[B]LK Metro[/B]

I didn't hit any of the LK Metro gogos except for Kink. I think this place rivals Windmills on the raunchy scale and the women were a bit more attractive. Typical gogo drink and bar fine prices.

I also hit Billabongs on a couple of evenings. Live band (not too bad) every night and beers are two for one at 120 be. Manyu of the women working there are way past their sell by date but there were a few younger and attractive ones. Barfine was 300 be and typical takeaway price was 1. 5 k be.

[B]Soi Buakhao / Soi Diana Area[/B]

Buakhao is probably my favorite Soi to just walk, sightsee and stop into a bar for a quick drink. It is also home to my favorite late-night snack, Bronx pizza. Many of the bars have live music and most of the workers can be barfined. Prices vary drastically from bar to bar but most are in the reasonable range. Some places do have some higher barfines as they are short-staffed and really don't want all of the women leaving before closing time.

A new nightclub opened on the corner of Soi Buakhao and Soi Chaiyapoon, Club Juju. This place has a live band, lots of seating and no real dance floor. Drink prices weren't outrageous for a nightclub and the server were very efficient. A lot of bar workers come here when their shift ends as well as a lot of regular freelancers. Since this is a nightclub, no lady drink surcharge and no barfine though most women wanted 2 K to 3 k be to go out. Since it doesn't start until very late you are probably going to be getting back to your room around 3 or 4 am and they will usually want to spend the night instead of getting a grab that late. So, you do generally get a little morning activity as well for the fee. One caution. Quite a few ladyboys frequent this place and they are usually dressed to kill and look pretty good. Don't get too drunk you can't tell the difference.

A couple of new bars on Soi Diana that had some attractive women working. The beer bar complex up toward second road was usually pretty dead. One of my favorite bars just to catch a drink and bullshit is Luck Bar right across from the Areca Lodge. I don't know why, but this bar always has a good crowd, despite the fact that there are only a couple of attractive women working there.

[B]Soi Chaiyapoon[/B]

The road which I was told was recently "fixed" is still a mess of potholes. After a good rain it can be difficult to walk down the street without getting your feet soaked. No real bars stood out but I did hit Maggie Mays a few times. They have a couple of younger and pretty cute ones on staff now but they get scooped up pretty quickly. I did hook up with one of them and I believe it was 500 be for the room and 1500 be for her.

Not really on Chaiyapoon but down Soi Excite is Club Excite. I went in there after a disappointing trip to Soi Bongkot (see below) and was pleasantly surprised. Had a very pleasurable session with a very petite, almost western looking woman. Same prices as Maggie Mays. Afterward, I asked her what it would cost for her to visit me in my hotel after work (she was that good looking and gave great service) and she said 3 K be LT. Didn't pull the trigger.

[B]Soi Bongkat[/B]

A short moto taxi ride from the Buakhao area are 4 or 5 gentlemen's clubs located side-by-side in what would be classified as a strip mall in the states. I hit all of them and didn't see anything I was interested in. Since it wasn't even dark outside yet, I was probably there too early.

[B]Soi Honey[/B]

Some new bars have opened on Soi Honey. One of them is Lips Lounge about halfway up the Soi. Apparently, the owner of this bar used to own the notorious Pandoras gogo in LK Metro (I don't know if this is true or not). Well Lips Lounge has a similar format. About 3 or 4, medium attractive ladies dancing on stage and another 4 or 5 waiting their turn. Call any of them over and buy them a drink. After one or two drinks you will find your fly down and the lady giving you head. You can also reciprocate if you choose to. No additional charge for this service but they do expect a significant gratuity.

Stopped in the Runway Bar and the night I went I was not really impressed with the quality of the ladies working. They good ones might have already been barfined.

A new gentlemen's club, the Honey Lounge has opened. I stopped in late and there really weren't any women left to choose. Pricing similar to Maggie Mays.

Lots of "dirty" massage places on Soi Honey, Soi Chaiyapoon and Soi Buakhao. Generally, 300 be for the room and 1 K be for the woman for an hour of full service. Lots of very attractive ladies soliciting work at these places. Also, a lot of over-the-hill ones. Just be sure to pick a woman as there are quite a few ladyboys mixed in at the shops.

[B]Bangkok[/B]

I was staying down Sukhumvit Soi 7. Last year I would have spent some time at the Beer Garden, but alas, it is no more. It has been replaced with a beer bar complex. As it was convenient and there were some good-looking women, I did drink here on a few occasions. I never did bar fine from here though so I do not know the prices.

Walking a few blocks up Sukhumvit, you will find the Thermae bar. This is a basement bar underneath the Ruamchitt hotel. Inside the bar you are quickly ushered to the counter where you are required to order a drink. Not cheap, not expensive for Bangkok. In the middle of the bar is kind of an open island where you can sit if there are seats available. The two time I went there it was absolutely packed with freelancers, a lot of them quite attractive, in every conceivable shape and size. The girls here are usually dressed in normal clothes (not * ware) and are not aggressive but will eyeball you, smile and wave if they are interested. A lot of people report that the women are mostly trying to attract Asian customers and will pretty much ignore westerners. I did not find this to be the case. I'm 68 years old, very white, tall, not overweight but definitely not these girl's ideal mate and I got all of the attention I could handle. Since this is a freelancer destination there is no bar fine and no lady drink surcharge. Take home fee was 1. 5 K to 2 K be. A couple of them said 3 K but you could tell they were just testing the waters. What I did find that a lot of these women only wanted to short time as they had to go to work in the morning.

Outside of Thermae all the way from Soi 11 to Soi 15 are a ton of freelancers just hanging out waiting for an interested customer. They were not aggressive and for the most part were dressed in regular, casual clothes. I did have probably one of my best sessions from one of these girls. Petite, sexy and a little dynamo for almost 2 hours. I probably overpaid at 1500 be but I was not disappointed.

Went to Nana Plaza a couple of times. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of incredible women in the gogos but it is incredibly expensive to drink for yourself and the lady drinks are outrageously priced. And as soon as you sit down, the mamasan or server is putting on a lot of pressure to buy at least one lady drink for a dancer and of course one for herself. I really didn't hang in any one gogo for very long.

The bars just outside of Nana Plaza on Soi 4 are good places to meet women. There are the servers who are barfinable as well as many freelancers hanging around. Drinks weren't too outrageous in these bars and the talent was pretty good. Hooter, across the street has some incredibly good-looking servers but I doubt that they can be barfined. I didn't ask but I imagine if you are a younger guy with some game, you could probably arrange an after-shift rendezvous (for a price of course).

There are a lot of small bars and some nightclubs on Soi 11. I never stayed up late enough to hit the clubs but did hit some of the smaller bars. Like most of Bangkok, a lot of pressure to buy the lady drinks.

Soi 7/1 is the debauchery soi. Two BJ bars most of the way down the soi, Annies, I believe it used to be Dr. BJs (not to be confused with the now closed famous massage place) and Wood Bar. Both of these places are pretty much the same. You pay 800 be to have a woman take you in a back room for a BJ. The women are a bit older and not that good looking but it is very dark inside. I did have to partake one time just for the experience. It was underwhelming but it was only 800 be.

[B]Summary[/B]

Overall, I had a great time. I made the same mistake I make every trip, overdoing it the first few days then having to really scale back for a bit. I will return if I can find a reasonably priced business class flight. I will probably skip Singapore the next time just because of the cost factor. I do want to explore more of Vietnam as I am really attracted to the women. And of course, I would hit Thailand again, maybe spending a few nights in Chiang Mai.

I think my next major trip might be in April or May. I saw United had some not to outrageous flights to Manila that only stops once from my hometown. I would of course visit Angeles City but will look for another area, maybe Cebu or Subic to spend a few nights. I will probably only spend a couple of nights in Manila, just before and after my flights.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868098]Does anyone have a favorite Soi 6 bar? I seems to find the girls shuffle from bar to bar and most are all set up the same. Therefore, it's difficult to choose one or two favorites. However, Toy Box seems to have a constant line up of the same girls.[/QUOTE]Sexy in the City. USA manager Rob is nice, girls are very friendly, a few glamours and pretty faces.

Toy Box. Always good on all accounts.

Exotica. Has some really great ST naughty girls.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2868434]I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).

Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.

Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Reverse Engineering.

Buzzin did a vid on bacteria and the like recently of Pattaya. Since the Dr said it was an epidemic of Roman proportions what you want is Surely available.

You might have to think a bit, I kind of backhanded your Answer. Need to use a little intuitive defection.

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2868443]I s.[/QUOTE]You gave probably the best report I have seen here and it would have done justice in a professional environment. Two general questions.

1. Though you flew business class, you admit it was one of the world's longest flights. Was it worth it or should you have stated in the States or done your usual Costa Rican trip.

2. You are in your late 60's. Was it worth it? Were you able for the action?

I am roughly your age and I am getting some small health problems. Friends are popping off with worrying regularity. I ask with my own forthcoming early 2024 trip in mind.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2868359]Are you curious to know what these girls plan was?

Ask Mr Explorer, he knows it all about off-hours hobbying of Pattaya working girls.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is Booming they already had other customers lined up. Hahaha. Hahahaha. No offense.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2868384]All my life I been poor. But it really doesn't matter no more. Cuz no matter what they say. SubCmdr gonna be OK.

You keep it 100 my brother. Much respect! Real recognize real.

In all aspects except for budget were are dead on point. I like Pattaya because strangely enough I have found my peace here. If I want to go hard in the paint, pull 10000 out of the ATM, roll up into Windmill 1 and have the mamasan move the cheap charlies out of my favorite seat cause me and my friend are each about to by a bottle and make it rain up in that mother fucker, I can do that. Balling on a budget for one night. The next night I can have one of my 1000ST girls come over. The next night my girl might come over and spent the night. When that happens I know I am going to get my dick sucked in the morning and blow a load of splooge into her mouth. She will still have time for a shower and a tea before she leaves for work. I ask you ([I]not you my ISG brother because you already know what time it is[/I]) what exactly is there not to like?

Pattaya is fun. But you certainly cannot tell that from the all the negativity that gets posted up in here. [B]LOL![/B].[/QUOTE]Ballin at Windmill is Funny. Hahaha.

Sorry but your tones of posting leads one to believe you don't make it Rain 100's. 5 20's I believe.

You and your bud asking for Discount of 200 each if the TFgiro does does a double duty is Hillary ious.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2868359]Are you curious to know what these girls plan was?

Ask Mr Explorer, he knows it all about off-hours hobbying of Pattaya working girls.[/QUOTE]After the ladies take care of their customer and then leave with cash in hand, they have a lot of options. Many go to Ibar or Insomnia, where drinks are cheap for them. Their hope is to hook a whale for big money. But, often, its early morning, they have had many drinks, and some young Farang offers 500 baht, and off they go.

This is if they don't have a Thai man waiting for them at home. If so, they just go home when they have money.

If they are new to Pattaya, they hit the karaoke bars at 1 am or so, buying drinks for young Thai men. It's expensive, moreso if they hook up with one long time. Some older long time bargirls never get over their addiction to karaoke boys and so have to work until they can't get customers any more, and when the money is gone, so is the honey.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2868346]This is an excellent report. I have a question. Since your bad experience with the two bar fines from Heaven Above, I'm surprised you went back. What was the reason for going back?[/QUOTE]Good question! Having been in LOS many times, I know that some experiences turn out good and some are bad. I understand the many factors that make for a good experience and didn't feel that, in this case, it reflected on the bar per se. The girls obviously had other plans.

But the vibe at HA is fun, the girls are friendly, the mamasan is friendly, and my experience has always been that repeat visits get you more mileage.

Considering my experience wasn't 'bad' - I did bang her, I had no hesitation to go back to HA. Both did a double-take when they saw us in the next night though.

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2868443]I just recently completed a 4-week trip to Southeast Asia. My original itinerary was aggressive, and included Singapore, Ho Cho Minh City, Phnom Penh, Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya and Bangkok. At the last minute I decided to scale it back and visited Singapore, HCMC, Pattaya and Bangkok. I will quote any prices in local currency unless I paid US dollars like on Agoda and Airbnb. Thai Baht was around 36 to the dollar the whole time. Singapore dollar was 1. 36 and the Vietnamese Dong was 24500. So, $100 is 36000 Thai Baht, 136 Sing dollars and 2,450,000 Vietnamese dong.

[[/QUOTE]Thanks for very informative report.

Bronx Pizza Buakhao.

A poster brought up this was a Favorite of his. Do you concur?

For Slices I've come upon 3.

1. Asok BTS. Looks Horrible.

2. Bronx Pizza above. See number 1.

3. Pizza place across Repent Soi 6. See number 1.

Now Sbarro in Vegas, Hnl, their slices are fine and dandy.

So not long ago, I get a visit from a buddy who does the usual 10 days vacation every few years from abroad. We were supposed to meet on Beach Road near where he was staying before heading to WS. I walk a route everyday as part of my routine. I see the same "characters" day and night. They recognize me, I recognize them. But I kept to myself. Anyways, long story short, my buddy was chillin with a bunch of homeless people when I arrived to meet him on that concrete elevation across from Mike's Shopping Center. He had bought them some food from the umbrella station and some big bottles of beer from 7-11. They seemed happy and he invited me hang out with them. Dude was holding hands and getting touchy with one of the homeless chicks who was hand feeding him those cold ass, all batter, fried shrimps in the styrofoam bowl. Their eyes got wide when they saw me. I kept a good distance day and just nicely said, I was full and I need to head to WS first to use the bathroom. Message me when you get there. When he finally met up, the guy was reeking of that homeless dirty old clothes haven't bathed in days smell. Nasty. He had a cold, so he couldn't smell anything, but I could. My night was cut short and I went home to shower. This was same guy about 6 years ago, got pulled into one of those King's bars in Patpong. When I went to meet him, he was the only customer in there. I looked at what was on stage. Stopped right the door and told him I forgot my wallet and message when he gets done. Left him and his naiveness to figure to out on his own where he was. Happens a lot on here too. Some of us guys just know way much more than others about who is who and what is what. Pattaya is not that big. More of a high school if you frequent the sex industry as much as I do. I am not going to be the one who points out the post op that you thought was girl in the bars. If you like, you like. It's all charity right? We are all growing. I am nice like that. Enjoy.

Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.

But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.

I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2868447]I was in Pattaya 2 months ago and I'll give some feedback for you.

Don't discuss BBFS, just go for it. Any negotiation will always lead to higher prices for you.

I spent most of my time in the gentleman's club (Passion, Kineree, etc), but also went to different SOI's, the high end Gogo's, beer bars and had some street walkers.

Here is how I approached it and so should you.

Gentleman's clubs.

I take the girl to the room. No negotiation for BBFS before going to the room, just a clarification on the price for sex, usually by the manager / mamason.

In the room, if the chemistry was good we started in right away and I tried to go BBFS without even attempting to put on a condom, many of the girls were ok with it.

In other cases, I jumped into the shower, she followed me in and I would start to have BBFS with her in the shower. If this was ok with her I knew we would continue in bed.

I would say about 60-70% of the girls from the GC's I went with were ok with BBFS+CIP.

Soapy's. Only went to Soi Honey on this trip as they are a little more expensive, but when in Rome!

Started sex with condom after bath and rub down, but after about 10 minutes I took the condom off and was able to persuade her to have BB sex.

She was a little reluctant but gave in after a few seconds of persuasion. I ended up giving her a $20.00 tip after. Massage - $70.00 + $20.00 tip = $90.00 US.

Street Walkers.

Didn't go with that many, but had a few back to my room.

Most asked if I had a condom and I said no. So BBFS was with most, but not all.

Prices ranged between $35-$50 US.

Gogo bars.

Same rule applies here, did not discuss BBFS, but received it with about 50% of the high end gogo girls.

I was expecting to have some say no, which they did, because they are a little more educated about STD's from their managers, etc so if they come down with something from you they are out of business. Because they cost so much more than beer bar girls, GC's, SW's, etc. , some were willing to give me that service without paying extra. (never offer to pay more because they will all want more).

I think BBFS is dependent on you and the girl. If you are under 45 years old, fit, attractive (by her standards) you will be better equipped to get what you want.

In Thailand, I wouldn't ask for BBFS up front unless you are not in this category and want her to charge you more. I'm sure the high end Gogo bar girls would ask for an arm and a leg for BBFS if you try and negotiate up front before leaving to your hotel room. So I avoid any and all pre negotiated prices for extra services. Remember this line, "It's always better to ask for forgiveness after than permission before" translate this into punting and you will always pay more and receive less if you try to negotiate all up front in Pattaya.

This, for me, is quite different than BBFS in Germany in places like Sharks, Palace, Artemis, etc where the girls nickle and dime you for each and every extra service now.

In Germany I always negotiate up front and ask if I can have BBFS. Some girls say yes, others say no. Sometimes I will try and persuade them anyways, but if they are educated on STD's as they are required to take weekly tests, many will decline unless they are really desperate for the money.

And in some cases I ask in the room. Most girls will ask for more (+50 E) for it.

I've had many sessions in FKK's where the girl will approach me and tell me I can do whatever I want to her.

When I hear those words and she looks good, off we go, no condom is used with BBFS+CIP.

Last disclaimer. I usually don't go with the youngest, prettiest little spinner in the clubs, bars, etc. I seek out the more mature, MILF types that have been around the block.

Maybe that's why I usually get what I want. YMMV will depend on your looks.

My advice is to get and use Prep from your doctor to reduce the risk of getting something you don't want.

Also use condoms.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2868419]I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2022.

I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2023.

I can say definitively that hotel prices went up between those two trips, very noticeably in fact.

I don't think they'll go higher than where they are at now though, tourists numbers will dwindle, high season will disappoint.

When I return during low season in 2024 I expect the prices will be same as in 2023. But we'll see.[/QUOTE]This is why we have so much conflicting info. This guy is comparing come out of COVID pricing to now.

That thought did not even come across my mind.

I'm comparing pre Coronavirus pricing to now.

Who knows what time period the Condo guy is commenting on.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2868572]Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.

But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.

I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.[/QUOTE]Don't Fret you are over 60.

Not many of us are young and Hansum. We are PAYING.

Notice he did say his choice of Provider includes MILfS. Connect the Dots. I have and I've come to the conclusion they will do whatever you want. LOL. They take what they can get kind of thing. Beggars can't be Choosy,. Yatta!

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2868572]Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.

But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.

I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.[/QUOTE]I have lived in Bangkok for the past 12 years. I am now 70 years old now but I believe I am fairly fit. However, my dick is such that if it must wear a condom there will be no fucking or anything else to completion. It always has been that way. Well, I finished once wearing a condom back when I was in my early 20's after tremendous and dreary effort.

I have somewhat passable basic Thai language skills. Based on the chemistry that seems to be established in the bars, getting the girls laughing, hugging me, kissing me, crawling all over me when I do give them my attention, begging me to take them in the bars or on the street, I must be pretty damn charming to boot.

In the past 12 years I have lived in Bangkok. I have visited and stayed overnight in Pattaya a few dozen times in the past 12 years and about as many times back in the 1990's. I have engaged with at least a hundred different Pattaya ladies over the years. I am talking about ladies I chose to either just take or negotiate upfront with for a P4 P session.

I went with the "no discussion upfront, just go with the flow" approach about 30% of the time and the "negotiate BBFS+CIP upfront" approach the other 70%. And these are a mix of ladies from Walking Street and LK Metro gogo bars, Soi 6 bars, freelancers strolling along Beach Road 1, Beach Road 2, Walking Street, you name it.

I tend to choose youngish, in their 20's that is, cute girls to engage for P4 P sessions.

My Pattaya score card for getting BBFS+CIP with the girls I want to fuck at all is as follows.

Using the "no upfront discussion, just go with the flow" approach even if I have to cajole, discuss further or offer more money at or very near the moment of penetration: Zero.

Using the "negotiate BBFS+CIP upfront" approach: 1.

And I would rate that 1 and only 1 Pattaya girl who agreed to BBFS+CIP with me about a 6 on the Thai bargirl / Freelancer scale for looks. I would not have considered taking her if not for my hope that doing so would break my decades long "No BBFS+CIP with good-looking girls in Pattaya" curse. LOL. Which it did not break.

Again, that is 1 out of at least 100 Pattaya P4 P girls I met over the years and discussed a session with because I actually wanted to fuck them.

My rate of success for getting BBFS+CIP with girls attractive enough for me to want to fuck them is much, much, much better in Bangkok. That's why I live in Bangkok instead of Pattaya.

Yeah, I had plenty of no hassle BBFS+CIP in the Philippines, too. And with some of the best lookers in the gogo and beer bar scene in Manila and Angeles City. But that was about 30 years ago. I have no idea what it would be like for me now.

As always, YMMV.

Looks Matter.

Playpen. No sight of you know who. But their is a New Deputy.

More Tannish than Whitey. Looks young. Small like Baitoey. Face is an upgrade from regular Soi 6 girl.

You know the Drill, if you want a girl as you walk in you take one. A guy walks in looks around and takes the Deputy over all the other Toilets.

Give this one a few years to Mature I'm seeing a Superstar.

That is an interesting take on the issue. I have seen several, maybe many reports on here from guys who swear it is not an issue and they often get BBFS with no negotiation or a simple no in the room and off to the races. I have little experience in Thailand in recent years but I do keep up and know a few guys who live there or visit often and their experience seems more in line with yours. Rare and often refused even for offers of more money. I am a little younger than you but also hate condoms and have a hell of a time getting off using one. Often times just seeing the girls get one out and open the package makes my hard on immediately start to disappear! If not I will give it a go but usually just give up and send them off without blowing my load.

If Thailand was more like the PI in that regard I would visit more often as I go to Cambodia for extended periods every year. What a fuck up that place has become! BBFS still available but the girls are asking silly money these days.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2868532]Bronx Pizza Buakhao.

A poster brought up this was a Favorite of his. Do you concur?

For Slices I've come upon 3.

1. Asok BTS. Looks Horrible.

2. Bronx Pizza above. See number 1.

3. Pizza place across Repent Soi 6. See number 1.

Now Sbarro in Vegas, Hnl, their slices are fine and dandy.[/QUOTE]If you don't like thin crust, New York style pizza, you will not like Bronx Pizza.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2868617]

And I would rate that 1 and only 1 Pattaya girl who agreed to BBFS+CIP with me about a 6 on the Thai bargirl / Freelancer scale for looks. I would not have considered taking her if not for my hope that doing so would break my decades long "No BBFS+CIP with good-looking girls in Pattaya" curse. LOL. Which it did not break.

As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]My Mileage did vary. I was getting about 75% success BBFS (I don't care about CIP as much). That included TF girls, Gogo girl, Beach Road girl and GC girl. So basically from all venues. Except for the gogo girl, I discussed up front my requirements. So there you are.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2868598]This is why we have so much conflicting info. This guy is comparing come out of COVID pricing to now.

That thought did not even come across my mind.

I'm comparing pre Coronavirus pricing to now.

Who knows what time period the Condo guy is commenting on.[/QUOTE]Pre Covid is essentially four years plus ago. That's a long time. Get with the times. The world changes and constantly so.

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2868679]If you don't like thin crust, New York style pizza, you will not like Bronx Pizza.[/QUOTE]Bronx Pizza is very average for those who know their pizza. The draw is it's convenient location in the heart of Buakhao. I prefer the kebab stand that is nearby where you get a much heftier kebob for the same price a slice of pizza costs.

I spent last night from high-end soapy to soapy, go-go to go-go but couldn't find a single bird ready for a BBBJ. What is with these girls now a days?

Experienced members, I only have a couple of night left here, please let me know, where I can get a 3 some with BBBJ with 7+ looking girls.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2868491]After the ladies take care of their customer and then leave with cash in hand, they have a lot of options. Many go to Ibar or Insomnia, where drinks are cheap for them. Their hope is to hook a whale for big money. But, often, its early morning, they have had many drinks, and some young Farang offers 500 baht, and off they go.

This is if they don't have a Thai man waiting for them at home. If so, they just go home when they have money.

If they are new to Pattaya, they hit the karaoke bars at 1 am or so, buying drinks for young Thai men. It's expensive, moreso if they hook up with one long time. Some older long time bargirls never get over their addiction to karaoke boys and so have to work until they can't get customers any more, and when the money is gone, so is the honey.[/QUOTE]Good summary, I agree with this though 500 baht seems a very low offer, even for early morning hours.

Thank you all for your feedback. I think I'll put off Thailand for a year and reevaluate then.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2868758]Good summary, I agree with this though 500 baht seems a very low offer, even for early morning hours.[/QUOTE]I'm talking about hansum young Farang. By the early morning, many bargirls are drunk and facing going home alone.

And many end up going for free, because what they really want is a young hansum Farang boyfriend.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2868672]That is an interesting take on the issue. I have seen several, maybe many reports on here from guys who swear it is not an issue and they often get BBFS with no negotiation or a simple no in the room and off to the races. I have little experience in Thailand in recent years but I do keep up and know a few guys who live there or visit often and their experience seems more in line with yours. Rare and often refused even for offers of more money. I am a little younger than you but also hate condoms and have a hell of a time getting off using one. Often times just seeing the girls get one out and open the package makes my hard on immediately start to disappear! If not I will give it a go but usually just give up and send them off without blowing my load.

If Thailand was more like the PI in that regard I would visit more often as I go to Cambodia for extended periods every year. What a fuck up that place has become! BBFS still available but the girls are asking silly money these days.[/QUOTE]I know most of the ladies I fuck, and for many of them, I want to use a condom, since I know where they have been.

Lots and lots of "civvie" ladies who never work bar sometimes take a shift on Beach Road, going to the room with herds of South Asians.

Or they go to Karaoke bars and go with young Thai men who have a second job earlier in the evening working Farang bars and going with Farang men to the room.

Be careful out there.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2868672]That is an interesting take on the issue. I have seen several, maybe many reports on here from guys who swear it is not an issue and they often get BBFS with no negotiation or a simple no in the room and off to the races. I have little experience in Thailand in recent years but I do keep up and know a few guys who live there or visit often and their experience seems more in line with yours. Rare and often refused even for offers of more money. I am a little younger than you but also hate condoms and have a hell of a time getting off using one. Often times just seeing the girls get one out and open the package makes my hard on immediately start to disappear! If not I will give it a go but usually just give up and send them off without blowing my load.

If Thailand was more like the PI in that regard I would visit more often as I go to Cambodia for extended periods every year. What a fuck up that place has become! BBFS still available but the girls are asking silly money these days.[/QUOTE]Yes, this is probably an issue where Your Mileage May Vary applies more than most.

I don't know what it is about Pattaya and me that my getting a Yes or at least no prolonged resistance about BBFS+CIP with the girls I have met and wanted to fuck is so elusive. I don't and never really did have this much of a problem with girls I wanted to fuck in Bangkok. Or back in the day in Manila and Angeles City, of course. Or any number of other destinations in USA, Mexico, Vietnam, etc. Only Pattaya.

Clearly I am not and have never been as handsome and charming as the punters who claim it is the norm for them in Pattaya or we are choosing very different girls to engage for the experience or some combination of both.

I will say this, I am sure I could have and can get BBFS+CIP with any number of Pattaya ladies who approach me quite often as I cruise through the scene. Easily. Problem is, I am talking about ladies of an age and level of looks that I don't want to fuck and wouldn't even if they paid me. Not that they aren't nice ladies. They are just not ladies I would seriously engage as prospective P4 P providers.

So anyone looking for plenty of BBFS+CIP in Pattaya, rest assured I am not suggesting it is difficult to score that in Pattaya in the least. I can only relate my experience with the 100 or so girls I have bothered to engage for that level of service in Pattaya.

And to clarify my "100 girls" number results, in part I am talking about the approximate number of girls I have met there, wanted to fuck and took them on a "no upfront discussion about BBFS+CIP, just go with the flow" approach. That would be about 30% of those approximate 100 girls and none of them resulted in a BBFS+CIP experience at crunch time in bed, not even with a bit of cajoling, pressing, offering more money. I stop after one pass at 1-2 of those. I am not going to be whining, pleading or pestering some P4 P girl for it until she finally grudgingly gives in or gives up and pops her legs open. LOL.

Then, after my abysmal record of results with the "no discussion of BBFS+CIP upfront, just go with the flow" approach, I moved on to the "Negotiate BBFS+CIP upfront" approach with the remaining 70% or so of that approximate 100 girls.

And that meant it was much cheaper and less time consuming for me to get that No response upfront before I committed to any money than to get that No at the moment of penetration. It also meant I only took the 1 Pattaya girl in the past 12 years who said Yes upfront to me for it. The one I mentioned in my previous post. For the ones who said No upfront, I smiled, thanked them for their time and moved on.

So my total number of Pattaya girls who wound up in my bed was not 100 but closer to 40-50. I have no idea how many of those No Upfront girls might have changed their mind in the room or simply gone along with BBFS+CIP if I hadn't mentioned it upfront at all. But my previous experience with the "go with the flow" approach informed me it would not be a pretty number. And for those of us who will not be fucking anyone while wearing a condom and where a BBBJ+CIM is likely as much of a No or is done so badly it is also not worth it, well, that's a lot of buzz-killing time and money spent in a hotel room for nothing.

Now, I do vaguely recall that I might have gotten BBFS+CIP with a Pattaya girl I was very attracted to during one of my many trips to Thailand about 30 years ago. But since I spent half a week, 3-4 days, in Bangkok and the other half, 3-4 days, in Pattaya, I can't exactly be certain I met and fucked that particular girl in Pattaya and not Bangkok that long ago. Maybe I got BBFS+CIP with 2 girls of my choice in Pattaya over the years and not just one.

And I should also mention that I have not mongered or engaged in any P4 P discussion upfront or in bed with a girl in Pattaya for about 3 years. My most recent attempt was sometime during the Covid closures. I also never used ThaiFriendly in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Pubgg;2868734]I spent last night from high-end soapy to soapy, go-go to go-go but couldn't find a single bird ready for a BBBJ. What is with these girls now a days?

Experienced members, I only have a couple of night left here, please let me know, where I can get a 3 some with BBBJ with 7+ looking girls.[/QUOTE]That Buzzin STD video he did with a real Thai Doctor of Pattaya must have gone Viral.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2868729]Pre Covid is essentially four years plus ago. That's a long time. Get with the times. The world changes and constantly so.[/QUOTE]But you are Scaremongering people into thinking Hotel prices are High. They really aren't.

Even Kenny G couldn't sell out Pattaya this past weekend.

I'm pretty sure my Red Planet charged under $20 a night Sat. And Friday.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2868733]Bronx Pizza is very average for those who know their pizza. The draw is it's convenient location in the heart of Buakhao. I prefer the kebab stand that is nearby where you get a much heftier kebob for the same price a slice of pizza costs.[/QUOTE]Average is Ok. What's not ok is the pizza on offer looks like it's been sitting for 6 hours.

Maybe I'll take another look as I'm due for a Spaghetti run soon. Good spaghetti in area. Confirmed by really old expats who go there.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2868758]Good summary, I agree with this though 500 baht seems a very low offer, even for early morning hours.[/QUOTE]Well he prefaced it with "young farang. " Ladies will take less from guys that are young, good looking, certain races, etc. I'm sure if a guy fits what they're specifically attracted to and it's 3 am in some club they'll go free with said guy playing the long game.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2868758]Good summary, I agree with this though 500 baht seems a very low offer, even for early morning hours.[/QUOTE]Watching you tubers live stream early hours in Pattaya. 500 might be Overpaying.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2868672]That is an interesting take on the issue. I have seen several, maybe many reports on here from guys who swear it is not an issue and they often get BBFS with no negotiation or a simple no in the room and off to the races. I have little experience in Thailand in recent years but I do keep up and know a few guys who live there or visit often and their experience seems more in line with yours. Rare and often refused even for offers of more money. I am a little younger than you but also hate condoms and have a hell of a time getting off using one. Often times just seeing the girls get one out and open the package makes my hard on immediately start to disappear! If not I will give it a go but usually just give up and send them off without blowing my load.

If Thailand was more like the PI in that regard I would visit more often as I go to Cambodia for extended periods every year. What a fuck up that place has become! BBFS still available but the girls are asking silly money these days.[/QUOTE]My experience is also that it's not been an issue for me.

I hit Pattaya about two months ago for a quick 3 day weekend visit and had no trouble getting BBFS with creampie.

I had 6 sessions with ladies, 4 of them 20 yo or less, and 4 of them on Soi 6, with one from a Soi3 bar late night, the other thru TF, and I easily scored 5 BBFS with CIP.

It was only the TF punt where it was negotiated upfront, and 5 of the punts where the same price to the lady of 1500 baht, with the Soi 3 late night 33 yo being only 1000 baht.

Of course the Soi 6 ladies were all fucked on premises, so there were bar fines / room fees in that of a few hundred baht.

In my opinion two of the Soi 6 20 yo's were 7's, one more Soi 6 20 yo was a 6, as was also the TF 19 yo a 6 (tho I had her multipop for two hours for her 1500).

The last Soi 6 late 20's and Soi 3 early 30's were 5's.

Photos of the Soi 6 7's can be found easily in my earlier posts.

Why do I think I am getting it, really who knows.

I am overweight, bald, and old (65 plus), yet I am handsum and can talk the language a little.

The main reason I think is how I present, as I am looked on as safe I guess.

Also I am cut, as have had a vasectomy, and telling the ladies I cannot make babies removes more fear for them than they have of STI's.

So guys, go get cut. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2868572]Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.

But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.

I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.[/QUOTE]I'd say got for it in Pattaya. Or even Bangkok.

You sound very similar to me, and I have had no issues recently in Pattaya at all.

With most of my success being had in the supposed wasteland of Soi 6 for BBFS.

All done so with OK looking or better ladies, and at fair prices of 1500 baht plus room fees.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2868733]Bronx Pizza is very average for those who know their pizza. The draw is it's convenient location in the heart of Buakhao. I prefer the kebab stand that is nearby where you get a much heftier kebob for the same price a slice of pizza costs.[/QUOTE]Bronx Pizza used to be good. Not any more IMO. There was a place on Soi 6 selling ok pizzas. Like so many places selling ok stuff it's now closed (or has been most of the time). I now go to Pizzaria Toscana on Beach road or to Bella Italia on 2nd road.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2868861]Yes, this is probably an issue where Your Mileage May Vary applies more than most.

I don't know what it is about Pattaya and me that my getting a Yes or at least no prolonged resistance about BBFS+CIP with the girls I have met and wanted to fuck is so elusive. I don't and never really did have this much of a problem with girls I wanted to fuck in Bangkok. Or back in the day in Manila and Angeles City, of course. Or any number of other destinations in USA, Mexico, Vietnam, etc. Only Pattaya.

Clearly I am not and have never been as handsome and charming as the punters who claim it is the norm for them in Pattaya or we are choosing very different girls to engage for the experience or some combination of both.

I will say this, I am sure I could have and can get BBFS+CIP with any number of Pattaya ladies who approach me quite often as I cruise through the scene. Easily. Problem is, I am talking about ladies of an age and level of looks that I don't want to fuck and wouldn't even if they paid me. Not that they aren't nice ladies. They are just not ladies I would seriously engage as prospective P4 P providers.

So anyone looking for plenty of BBFS+CIP in Pattaya, rest assured I am not suggesting it is difficult to score that in Pattaya in the least. I can only relate my experience with the 100 or so girls I have bothered to engage for that level of service in Pattaya.

And to clarify my "100 girls" number results, in part I am talking about the approximate number of girls I have met there, wanted to fuck and took them on a "no upfront discussion about BBFS+CIP, just go with the flow" approach. That would be about 30% of those approximate 100 girls and none of them resulted in a BBFS+CIP experience at crunch time in bed, not even with a bit of cajoling, pressing, offering more money. I stop after one pass at 1-2 of those. I am not going to be whining, pleading or pestering some P4 P girl for it until she finally grudgingly gives in or gives up and pops her legs open. LOL.

Then, after my abysmal record of results with the "no discussion of BBFS+CIP upfront, just go with the flow" approach, I moved on to the "Negotiate BBFS+CIP upfront" approach with the remaining 70% or so of that approximate 100 girls.

And that meant it was much cheaper and less time consuming for me to get that No response upfront before I committed to any money than to get that No at the moment of penetration. It also meant I only took the 1 Pattaya girl in the past 12 years who said Yes upfront to me for it. The one I mentioned in my previous post. For the ones who said No upfront, I smiled, thanked them for their time and moved on.

So my total number of Pattaya girls who wound up in my bed was not 100 but closer to 40-50. I have no idea how many of those No Upfront girls might have changed their mind in the room or simply gone along with BBFS+CIP if I hadn't mentioned it upfront at all. But my previous experience with the "go with the flow" approach informed me it would not be a pretty number. And for those of us who will not be fucking anyone while wearing a condom and where a BBBJ+CIM is likely as much of a No or is done so badly it is also not worth it, well, that's a lot of buzz-killing time and money spent in a hotel room for nothing.

Now, I do vaguely recall that I might have gotten BBFS+CIP with a Pattaya girl I was very attracted to during one of my many trips to Thailand about 30 years ago. But since I spent half a week, 3-4 days, in Bangkok and the other half, 3-4 days, in Pattaya, I can't exactly be certain I met and fucked that particular girl in Pattaya and not Bangkok that long ago. Maybe I got BBFS+CIP with 2 girls of my choice in Pattaya over the years and not just one.

And I should also mention that I have not mongered or engaged in any P4 P discussion upfront or in bed with a girl in Pattaya for about 3 years. My most recent attempt was sometime during the Covid closures. I also never used ThaiFriendly in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I'm not excited about such discussions at the critical moment. If she says "condom", I point at my condom drawer. End of discussion.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2868476]Ballin at Windmill is Funny. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Why is balling at Windmill 1 funny [B]Raj Raj[/B]? Actually what I said was.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2868384]If I want to go hard in the paint, pull 10000 out of the ATM, roll up into Windmill 1 and have the mamasan move the cheap charlies out of my favorite seat cause me and my friend are each about to by a bottle and make it rain up in that mother fucker, I can do that. [b]Balling on a budget for one night.[/b][/QUOTE]Where do you be balling on a budget Raj Raj? I happen to like nearly naked girls grinding on you and letting to feel up bare pussy. Don't you?

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2868476]Sorry but your tones of posting leads one to believe you don't make it Rain 100's. 5 20's I believe.[/QUOTE]Exactly what tone of posting is that [B]Raj Raj[/B]?

[I]Forming plural numbers is a lot easier than forming plural words. You simply add an s to numbers. The other key rule to remember is that you do not need to add an apostrophe before the s.[/I] Please make a note of it.

You don't need to feel sorry for me. I am doing outstanding. If you question how I do things, join me the next time go out. Let me teach you something else in this post: The denominations of Thai Bhat notes is 20,50, 100,500, 1000. So, I goto my bank and ask them for a stack of 20's. They hand them to me with that neat wrapper around them. Then they are ready to sit on the table ledge in front of me next to my bottles and mixers that my boys and I are sharing for the fun times. The girls do like earning those 20's.

[QUOTE=RajPatela;2868476]You and your bud asking for Discount of 200 each if the TFgiro does does a double duty is Hillary ious.[/QUOTE]Thank your for the compliment, I think. I do not know what why you think My brother wins, I win and the girl wins. Since when to people IRL look down on getting a getting a 20 percent discount off of services. Only on ISG do I find people who are not billionaires bragging about how much money they spend on pussy. In my country of origin there is a man who died a billionaire because he created a business to sell others the things they wanted buy at a discount.

Personally, I think it is as just funny that you ask us to believe that you hire attractive prostitutes just because you pay more than I do. [B]ROTFLMAO[/B] Example: Beach Road Prostitute 2000 Bhat. Double in attractiveness to my 1000 Thai Friendly girls in your own mind only. Because if I hire 6's at 1000 that would me you hire 12's at 2000. That is truly impressive. That means when you do a threesome you are doing a combined 24. Some said I could not to math. Can someone please check that for me and make sure it is right? Better yet, can anyone actually verify anything [B]Raj Raj[/B] says about the prostitutes he hires?

Still in Pattaya; Still doing outstanding; Still a new poster in the eyes of some people; Still a Tourist in in the minds of others.

Subcmdr (AKA: New poster; AKA; The Tourist) out! Chief of the boat; Rig for dive!

Yes all the girls in Soi 6 do bareback for 1500 easy! Just ask to not come inside pussy.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2868903]I'd say got for it in Pattaya. Or even Bangkok.

You sound very similar to me, and I have had no issues recently in Pattaya at all.

With most of my success being had in the supposed wasteland of Soi 6 for BBFS.

All done so with OK looking or better ladies, and at fair prices of 1500 baht plus room fees.[/QUOTE]

To be clear I'm not Complaining. I know what diff stokes for. Yadda.

For informational purposes Only.

Ventured outside of my comfort zone.

Windmill 2-.

Remember in the 5th grade and you went on a School Trip to the county Fare. Hahaha.

The Cows had udders. Hahaha.

Well you know what I have to say. Everywhere I looked I saw Udders.

There was one girl who probably Looked hot 20 years ago. Say dark skin Baitiey is what came to mind.

I have no Clue what it costs for Short time. Could be Free if you young and Hansum to 3,000 if you old and not Hansum.

P.S. I did not see any young and Hansum. I did see lots of the other kind.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2869008]Let me teach you something else in this post: The denominations of Thai Bhat notes is 20,50, 100,500, 1000.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SubCmdr;2868982]This afternoon, got on the Bhat bus at Soi 13/2 on Beach Road.[/QUOTE]Can somebody tell that guy the money used in Thailand is the Thai Baht not Thai Bhat, thanks.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2869026]Yes all the girls in Soi 6 do bareback for 1500 easy! Just ask to not come inside pussy.[/QUOTE]Stop misinforming people! My definition of 'all' is 100%. So are you now saying every single girl on Soi 6 will do BBFS? Even the ones who don't go upstairs for less than 1500 baht?

If this is true guys, don't ask and stick your cock in raw for any girl you pay 1500 baht to on Soi 6. Curious for feedback on what happens to you.

[QUOTE=Raj Patela;2869029]Windmill 2-.

Remember in the 5th grade and you went on a School Trip to the county Fare. Hahaha.

The Cows had udders. Hahaha.

Well you know what I have to say. Everywhere I looked I saw Udders.[/QUOTE]

Ok now this is pretty funny to me. It's what I would say if you were sitting beside me in a gogo bar, which is quite different from my ISG persona.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2868572]Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.

But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.

I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.[/QUOTE]MyHappy.

Here's what I would do if I were you (60+).

Follow my advice and don't negotiate for BBFS+CIP at anytime before you are in the room in the act (Important). Just expect it!

If the girl stops you from sticking it in without a condom and demands it, tell her you don't have one. If she has one (which many do), say something like, "can we do it without?

Many will give in, but if she says no and is adamant about using one, tell her you will give her extra money or a tip.

Remember! The Asians have a culture of negotiating and almost anything can be had for a price. Ask her how much extra she wants and see what she says, if it's high, 1,000+ Baht I would start low with your offer, say 500 Baht and see if she excepts. If she asks for more counter her with something lower until you reach an agreement. So in addition to YMMV and your looks and age, it also depends on your negotiating skills. The more you do it the easier it is!

Just a minor piece of information to do what you will with:

For every ST the girls get charged by the bar for various things, and the prices are quite varied. The group that owns La La Land, Cooters and one other I can't remember charges them just 20 baht for "room cleaning. ".

On the higher end, Illuzion, a one-off owned by a German national, charges the girls 100 baht for room cleaning and another 100 baht for "bar opening" (the meaning of which I still haven't been able to decipher).

I'm not sure about the Nightwish bars, but I have to imagine it is a common practice there as well.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2869026]Yes all the girls in Soi 6 do bareback for 1500 easy! Just ask to not come inside pussy.[/QUOTE]Just a blatant false statement. It is true that many will, especially when drunk and then taken up to the ST room above the bar. But to say all meaning 100% is just false.