Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2480034]Let's do some numbers at scale here. Between 1955 and 1975 282,000 US and allied service personnel were killed in the Vietnam war. Today the confirmed death toll in the US from COVID-19 is 188,000 which has occurred over approximately six months. Let that sink in for a moment. By the end of the year this pandemic would have caused more death in the US to every day citizens than it did to military personnel over a twenty year period. Again, let that sink in. Think about all the brothers, sons, sisters, mothers who have died in the last six months.

I'm staying out of countries that aren't taking this pandemic seriously. I like breathing.

Have a good day sir, and I hope you stay safe and healthy.[/QUOTE]And how many of those 188,000 had other serious illnesses, in addition to advanced and extreme advanced age?

Obviously, when someone close to you dies, it's terrible. No matter their age or what they succumbed to. But comparing these deaths to deaths in Vietnam, which were mostly young men who hadn't reached the prime of their lives is absurd. Yes, I know there have been reports of young, apparently healthy people dying from Covid, but they are a tiny percentage of the total numbers.

FWIW, I reserve the right to change my opinion of this. There are way too many unknowns at this time to not be flexible in mindset. I also have thus far been very strict with my mask-wearing and social distancing. I have effectively been in "sex prison" of my own choice for almost six months now. Therefore, I cringe every time a read a fellow hobbyist criticize country X's Covid response/policy, and then read about that person boning multiple chicas in Colombia, Brasil, DR, etc. If you talk tough about restrictive social distancing, yet you are actively practicing our hobby, you're a hypocrite.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2480052]... Now tell us how the lockdowns and border closure in Thailand proved useless and delayed the inevitable. There has been no case here in over 90 days after everyone did what they were supposed to. ...[/QUOTE]Maybe you meant to say no deaths in the last 90 days. There have been 330 new cases reported.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]But as YippieKayay stated, we can all stay at home. But shutting down the global economy for a hope, well, that's just not a viable strategy.The concept is a farce. Think about your own town during the shutdown. Were your streets completely vacant? Of course not. So all it did was slow the spread. It did not and cannot stop the spread.

Rant over.[/QUOTE]That is a good rant. Thing is that Colombia is opening back up and these guys want to make excuses for not going which is fine.

Thailand has no new cases? The virus has not mutated? Movement is dangerous? Staying home in your apartment is safe? Whatever. I know people who were afraid to go to Colombia before the virus. If people want to believe things are crazy dangerous in Colombia, have at it. I was just hoping those in the Colombian government would tune out the WHO and Fauci the flip flopper and look at data on their own, and they have.

Outside of the travel bans, Covid has been good for me personally, and it looks like those bans are finally over with as well. I have gotten the attention of quality women that I would have likely never met pre Covid.

To me, a better question with regards to going to Colombia is what to do once we get there. I have my chicas all lined up and am wondering if I stick with them or look elsewhere. Routard said that the restaurants in hotels in Bogota have been allowed to be opened up while others have restrictions on capacity. Outside of eating and drinking and fucking and watching Netflix, I am wondering what there is to do. In Mexico City, hotel gyms were closed but they were open in the all inclusive resorts in Cancun. Two of my chicas just hit me up for dental procedures so I see that the dentists are open.

What surprised me is how many of the things in group settings I have missed: shows, concerts, bars, sporting events. The best and most normal time I have had so far has been going to the all inclusive on the beach in Mexico. There they had bands and outdoor venues to party at, and I was able to get a jet ski and cruise around which was fun. I think there has been so much deprivation when it comes to fun.

Outside of eating, drinking, fucking, and Netflix, what fun things are you guys doing in Medellin? I have read the beaches in Cartagena are opening up. Should I take my Medellin ladies there or stay in the city?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2480085]If you mean Thailand then Mr E well established the relevance. Anyone who missed it just wasn't paying attention.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. May I direct your attention to post #39073. You know, the one I replied to that mentioned Vietnam. But perhaps paying attention is the issue after all.

[QUOTE=Combo;2480090]And how many of those 188,000 had other serious illnesses, in addition to advanced and extreme advanced age?

Obviously, when someone close to you dies, it's terrible. No matter their age or what they succumbed to. But comparing these deaths to deaths in Vietnam, which were mostly young men who hadn't reached the prime of their lives is absurd. Yes, I know there have been reports of young, apparently healthy people dying from Covid, but they are a tiny percentage of the total numbers.

FWIW, I reserve the right to change my opinion of this. There are way too many unknowns at this time to not be flexible in mindset. I also have thus far been very strict with my mask-wearing and social distancing. I have effectively been in "sex prison" of my own choice for almost six months now. Therefore, I cringe every time a read a fellow hobbyist criticize country X's Covid response/policy, and then read about that person boning multiple chicas in Colombia, Brasil, DR, etc. If you talk tough about restrictive social distancing, yet you are actively practicing our hobby, you're a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]So many great points made in this post. First and foremost, we don't know nearly enough about this disease. Virtually every worldwide health organization has changed their guidance multiple times in the last 6 months. We all make our decisions based on our educated opinions. But I think the forever shutdown crowd is primarily driven by fear and a need to feel a bit of control. Despite all of the alleged expertise we all claim, the fact is this is a new virus we don't know well.

As I said before, each side of the argument massages the statistics to aid their argument. So I take it all with a grain of salt. But it is safe to believe that am extremely high percentage of these COVID deaths have one or more co-morbidities. That must also factor into one's decision. But the flip side of that is that we should also take comfort that the healthy population is not at any high risk even if they are infected.

Lastly, another great point is the hypocrisy in our community. I say this to no one in particular. Those of you swearing off the hobby for now and sticking to social distancing, masks, etc. I admire that. Me? I've adopted the die on my feet instead of live on my knees mentality. I've done most of what I shouldn't. I've been on a plane every few weeks. I've gone to other countries and had my fun. Typical stupid stuff. And I've been fortunate. I'm thankful now that tests are available. I frequently get tested for STDs and thankfully have always come up clean. I now pay $30 for a COVID test fairly often. Not because I worry about my own safety but because I do not want to spread it if I do ever come down with it. I'm expecting my latest results tomorrow. I say all of this not to promote what I'm doing as smart. But we all play in a game that has an element of danger when it comes to communicable disease. Even if you play very safe, we are still at risk. And we all have our own risk profiles. But if you are out there banging hookers and then pointing fingers, just don't.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2480014]I think this is as official as it gets. The debate and wait is basically over. Hopefully soon, we all can get back to talking about banging 18-year-olds instead of becoming a covid expert and travel media guru.

[URL]https://idm.presidencia.gov.co/prensa/Paginas/En-septiembre-tendremos-pilotos-de-vuelos-internacionales-Presidente-Duque-200830.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL, I am praying for you to make it over there soon!

Whatever happened to this Board and the discussion of services, tips and tricks. Now it just sounds like everyone is a scientist. I think the real issue here is everyone is stressed bc they haven't been inside some sweet colombianas in a while. It will all end soon fellas.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2480085]Then you go on to lay out the same tired Fox News crowd party line that has been rebutted repeatedly over several months in the other thread, the one dedicated to off topic discussions. One should not feel obligated to go through it all over again for each monger that parachutes in.

If you mean Thailand then Mr E well established the relevance. Anyone who missed it just wasn't paying attention.[/QUOTE]Hey, New York, New York, your ploy of blaming Trump for the virus spreading is not working anymore. I guess you have time now from your Wisconsin trip to start posting again. How many cars did you set on fire? Don't worry though. The NY Times is at it again.

"Here's a jarring thought experiment: If the United States had done merely an average job of fighting the coronavirus — if the USA Accounted for the same share of virus deaths as it did global population — how many fewer Americans would have died?

The answer: about 145,000.

That's a large majority of the country's 183,000 confirmed coronavirus-related deaths.

No other country looks as bad by this measure. The USA Accounts for 4 percent of the world's population, and for 22 percent of confirmed Covid-19 deaths. It is one of the many signs that the Trump administration has done a poorer job of controlling the virus than dozens of other governments around the world. ".

Yep, if Trump voters were not so stupid and HRC was president, 183,000 lives would have been saved!

Of course, we can flip that around and take the death rate in New York where the Democratic governor showing real leadership presided over things. Let's do the math shall we? New York has had 468,000 cases of Covid and 33,000 deaths. You divide 468,000 by 33,000 and multiply by 100, and you get a 7. 1% death rate, and you New York New York are proud of those stats.

Now let us take the number of total USA Cases: 6. 25 million and times it by 7. 1% and you get 440,000. So according to my math, if a Democrat were in charge as opposed to Trump, we would have had 440,000 deaths as opposed to 190,000.

So Trump being in office means 250,000 lives were saved!

So what is next with you Democratic dipshits? Are you going to look at traffic accidents, cancer cases, and heart attacks with regards to Democrats and Republicans too?

All I wanted was for the Colombian government to know how full of shit you Democrats, the WHO, and flip flop Fauci were, and it looks like they finally woke up!! All I can say is Thank God.

How the fuck did a virus spreading become so political? Now with the hysteria dying down, you can try going back to convincing people that Biden is smarter than Trump. Good luck with that! You are going to need it.

Thank you very much, yes, this is official. Isn't it interesting that one of the very few posts about this with real information is also one of the very shortest posts? Less is more.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2480014]I think this is as official as it gets. The debate and wait is basically over. Hopefully soon, we all can get back to talking about banging 18-year-olds instead of becoming a covid expert and travel media guru.

[URL]https://idm.presidencia.gov.co/prensa/Paginas/En-septiembre-tendremos-pilotos-de-vuelos-internacionales-Presidente-Duque-200830.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2480113]Maybe you meant to say no deaths in the last 90 days. There have been 330 new cases reported.[/QUOTE]The cases reported were from the testing of people being repatriated on inbound flights. There have been no new cases inside of the country for 14 weeks (98 days).

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1961855/thailand-logs-3-new-covid-imports-monday[/URL]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2480024]Excuse me if I am harsh, but what is the point of exhibiting very basic ignorance on a topic, shameless or even proud? I do not try to lecture anyone on Theory of Harmony, even if when I was teen I enjoyed strumming chords on my guitar.

Even if you ignore it and do not see the reason, the basics of Epidemiology (a branch of math Control Theory) show the effect of people mobility on the spreading. It's math, not an opinion.

Not only delay the inevitable. Reduce the consequences.

You miss the difference between reaching 10 millions of infected in few months or in several years. Ever heard the "flattening the curve" thing?

Besides the hope we all have that an effective vaccine will be found, sooner or later, there is a difference for any country between having 100,000 or 1,000,000 persons in need of oxygen bottles and having few hundreds in such condition.

It is frankly incredible that there is still people believing and spreading this hoax. Someone likes to consider wishful thinking as reality, mainly to reassure themselves, but sooner or later true reality comes and knocks at the door.

The virus is the same. The fact that today in some countries (I look at Europe) there are less people in intensive care than in March is not that the virus has a sweeter heart, but a simple matter of math ratios. Today there is less people infected than in March or April.

At that time, in Europe we were overwhelmed and underestimating the number of infected by a factor 5 or even 10, who knows. Today, more tests mean more rapid response and detection. In addition, more youngsters get infected, mainly because they are / were not afraid and forgot to be cautious. This mean less severe consequences, but also easier spreading from now on (youngsters live in homes with elders).

I have a colleague who moved from Europe to stay with his family in Bangalore and he is desperate to see 2 members of his family to die, and they are not poor. They can afford best hospitals. The virus is the same and does its work: replicate. We cannot extinguish it, unless we can close everyone everywhere at home for 1 year, but we can slow it down and make consequences bearable (yes, to allow also some to think that "the virus is not the same anymore", like seasons).

I write all this not to convince you (I would not try even with Flat-Earthers), but because I attempt to contrast the spreading of hoaxes.

Last but not least: why don't we all just write about pussy, on which we all have some real experience to tell others, instead of venturing into Unknown Lands to debate what is out of topic and we don't know?[/QUOTE]Probably not a good idea to say all that and then end with let's change the subject rather than something we don't know.

First, I don't say anywhere there's a hoax. The virus is real, but there has been a major overreaction. Sweden handled this well and is now drawing the praise of the WHO, they didn't protect their elderly early enough and that accounts for most of their deaths. The rest, life continued and resembled normality with exceptions here and there.

Different strains of the virus were found in different parts. Some were more deadly than others. The good news if anything, they did what viruses typically do and that's mutate. Many times a mutation will result in a more infectious virus but with much milder symptoms. This is not a bad thing, there has been some expectation that this mutated to what would be a common cold. This is nothing unusual, nor is it a hoax. It's just reality. It may mutate to the point where a vaccine is not even needed, think of previous viruses in the last 20 years and this is more than often the case.

Lockdowns do not work, again. There is absolutely nothing that indicates they have been successful. They were used to slow the spread, which is fine. In the US however "slow the spread" is no longer mentioned, it's more the rising cases or deaths. Both of which have been falling and / or plateaued. The lockdown just slows down the inevitable which is more healthier people being infected and rescuing a burnout stage, which is what happened in the sun Belt states and New York. It's important for the country to reach that, while protecting the old and vulnerable. This way deaths are minimized and it goes through the healthier population which has only mild symptoms and recover very easily. Those I know who have tested positive half of them are asymptomatic and the other half very mild symptoms that are no different from the flu. Again in the healthier population this is not an issue. With lockdowns comes kisses cancer screenings, elective surgeries that go missed or delayed, increase in depression and suicide. They cause economic hardships and can even ruin lives. If we remember "flatten the curve" then surely we remember "the cure cannot be worse than the disease. ".

In the end, Colombia made the right decision and history will show this. If someone doesn't feel comfortable traveling then by all means stay at home until you do change your mind or something happens such as a vaccine. This topic can go on and on.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480129]Lastly, another great point is the hypocrisy in our community. I say this to no one in particular. Those of you swearing off the hobby for now and sticking to social distancing, masks, etc. I admire that. Me? I've adopted the die on my feet instead of live on my knees mentality. I've done most of what I shouldn't. I've been on a plane every few weeks. I've gone to other countries and had my fun. Typical stupid stuff. And I've been fortunate. I'm thankful now that tests are available. Even if you play very safe, we are still at risk. And we all have our own risk profiles. But if you are out there banging hookers and then pointing fingers, just don't.[/QUOTE]If you believe in asymptomatic spread of the virus I would agree with you. Thing is that this is what WHO's technical lead on Covid said: Monday, Van Kerkhove noted that when health officials review cases that are initially reported to be asymptomatic, "we find out that many have really mild disease. " There are some infected people who are "truly asymptomatic," she said, but countries that are doing detailed contact tracing are "not finding secondary transmission onward" from those cases. "It's very rare," she said.

There is an ensuing uproar right? The dogma of asymptomatic Covid transmission has been breached.

So she responds the next day. Van Kerkhove made it very clear Tuesday that the actual rates of asymptomatic transmission aren't yet known.

Even that statement flies in the face of the dogma. I have read that as many as 40% of all Covid cases came from people who are asymptomatic. Did Van Kerkhove's response the day after refute what she previously said? Nope. That was a non-denial, denial.

You want to call a guy a hypocrite who is fucking some 25 year old running a fever who has body aches and a cough? I am with you.

Now how about calling a guy a hypocrite banging a 25 year old who is running five miles a day, has no symptoms, and is in great health? Are you fucking kidding me? You might as well be worried about getting struck by lightning.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]
As for Black Page's comments about flattening the curve, that was never anything more than a marketing ploy. The very people that created the shutdowns admit the purpose was simply to not overrun the hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc.
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Puntz offered several examples of the ineffectiveness of a shutdown. The concept is a farce. Think about your own town during the shutdown. Were your streets completely vacant? Of course not. So all it did was slow the spread. It did not and cannot stop the spread.[/QUOTE]Once again, I must raise a warning when someone makes a wrong statement based on false information. Please be careful.

1) Flattening the curve.
"Overrun hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc. " make more people to die. The percentage of patients who die is not a constant, independent of that. If you slow down the spreading of an epidemic, the percentage of persons who die is much lower than if you let the epidemic to expand uncontrolled. Slowing down the spreading means to [U]save lives[/U], not just delaying the inevitable.
The "people that created the shutdown" did not [I]admit[/I] that the purpose was simply the above, but [I]explained[/I] it to those who did not know.

2) "Puntz offered several examples of the ineffectiveness of a shutdown"?
Also false examples: one is Sweden. Don't be fooled and look at the numbers yourself.
Sweden in Europe is widely recognized as the demonstration of an epic fail, besides the opinion of Mr. Puntz, whatever is his authoritativeness in the area. Sweden has reached 575 deaths /1 M population, opposed to the 49 of Norway, 108 of Denmark, 61 of Finland (neighboring countries). 576 is one of the highest in the world, it pairs USA. In Europe, it is lower only to those countries that were overwhelmed before taking effective measures (Belgium, Spain, UK, Italy). And note that Sweden is not Third World. It has one of the best and most efficient systems of Public Health in the world, for everyone, poor and rich.
Did they reach any "herd immunity" in change of this sacrifice? Not at all. The last epidemiological study reported that, based on serological tests, only 10%-15% population have the antibodies. It is not even understood if any "herd immunity" really exists and how long those antibodies protect, but even having 15% of population immune would be nothing.
So, that strategy made Sweden to suffer many deaths that could be avoided. And without achieving the intended goal. It's a huge responsibility to carry for those who took the wrong decision.

It is fine that people can expose personal opinions, including bizarre ones, but claiming false facts to mislead cannot be condoned. I hope everyone is careful in reading.

P.S.: "Were your streets completely vacant? "
I respect your opinion on that, but we should not confuse the validity of a measure with the discipline of people in following it. Forbidding cars to pass with red light save lives, but I agree that it is not effective to avoid any accident at road crosses. Not everyone stops.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]In the end, Colombia made the right decision and history will show this. [/QUOTE]
Excuse me, I am lost. What is the correct decision?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2480271]Once again, I must raise a warning when someone makes a wrong statement based on false information. Please be careful.

1) Flattening the curve.
"Overrun hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc. " make more people to die. The percentage of patients who die is not a constant, independent of that. If you slow down the spreading of an epidemic, the percentage of persons who die is much lower than if you let the epidemic to expand uncontrolled. Slowing down the spreading means to [U]save lives[/U], not just delaying the inevitable.
The "people that created the shutdown" did not [I]admit[/I] that the purpose was simply the above, but [I]explained[/I] it to those who did not know.

2) "Puntz offered several examples of the ineffectiveness of a shutdown"?
Also false examples: one is Sweden. Don't be fooled and look at the numbers yourself.
Sweden in Europe is widely recognized as the demonstration of an epic fail, besides the opinion of Mr. Puntz, whatever is his authoritativeness in the area. Sweden has reached 575 deaths /1 M population, opposed to the 49 of Norway, 108 of Denmark, 61 of Finland (neighboring countries). 576 is one of the highest in the world, it pairs USA. In Europe, it is lower only to those countries that were overwhelmed before taking effective measures (Belgium, Spain, UK, Italy).[/QUOTE]Thank you for your opinions, funny that omitted all the facts.

Speaking of epic fail I would save that judgement for New York, New Jersey, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Belgium, India and so on.

Ireland with their harsh lockdown have one of the highest rates when it comes to deaths per capita in Europe. India had an draconian lockdown, what happened after the lockdown? They saw a rapid spread of COVID-19.

For the rest of the countries that I mentioned, they all have more deaths per capita than Sweden despite their lockdowns which brought their populations into deep poverty.

Not to mention Spain, after the lockdown they had to have more lockdowns! That's what I call epic fail.

It's funny, or not so much since our moronic politicians pay them, how the countries with lockdowns comes to Sweden to beg us for money! For fuck sake, we could probably buy a decent part of Spain for all that money!

In your opinion Spain must have failed miserably since they have a much larger number of deaths per capita than their neighbor Portugal, or maybe it could be that their are other factors in play. You don't know much about Scandinavia, but I do and I understand very well the difference between them. Sweden had much more air traffic to and from Iran and Northern Italy, inparticularly because of our school breaks. But keep voicing your guesses, it's funny to read. Let us here your guess why southern Sweden had less COVID-19 cases&deaths per capita than Copenhagen-area. The lockdowns were a huge mistake. It's unbelievable that some people still defend the biggest political mistake of the 21th century.

Anyways, herd immunity is very much in play in certain areas of Sweden. Have you heard of T-cells? Sweden's numbers are looking great, better than other European countries. The WHO praised the Swedish approach.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2480142]How the fuck did a virus spreading become so political?[/QUOTE]It became political when the chosen one said that it was all a democratic hoax. He said that at the beginning when he should have been working on a solution which he still hasn't done. How about his news conference with his buddy the pillow guy? What a joke! Remember? Or is your memory limited to his last lie which occurs daily?