Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Rovnak; 1135392]Left at 5pm, walked to see the Luciana Massagens, Cacao models (same group) , and Ju Panteras in Rua Bento Lisboa. I sort of felt like I was back in Russia, hunting blindly for the door in a big bldg. I tried to call Ju Panteras, but there was no answer and I only had a note "4th floor". I figured ok, must be a comercial bldg, can't be that many offices on 4th floor. Wrong. Its a big residential bldg with about 50 apartments per floor. I get to 4th floor and am not even sure I am in the right part of the bldg, be / see there were several entrances to the bldg. I say 'f this' and go to the 6'th floor, at least I had a room number for Cacao Models. I went to their door. Again, simple apt. I buzzed, no answer. Some semi-attractive girl comes up hallway from some other location. I say "Cacao Models?","Sim, who do you want to see?". I said, I want a presentacao. She said "there is no presentacao, everything is reservation"."Book?"."No book"."Who is here now?"."Me and (she introduces another girl)." Neither are worth it. So we chat a bit, and I say "Do you know Ju Panteras?"."Yes. 4th floor"."Do you know the room number?" "No". Then just as I am about to leave, a 3rd girl (Rebecca) shows up, and she does know the room number for Ju Panteras. Rebecca is doable, but I decide to continue.

Return to the 4th floor. Find the room for JP. Girl answers door "who do you want to see?"."I want a presentacao". Finally she lets me in. Apartment is small railroad style corridor with small rooms. Only 2 girls. The door answerer Priscila (aka Fernanda) and another unattractive girl. Priscila is ok, corresponds to her foto, tho it was hard to assess corpo under her loose dress. I decided to continue journey. [/QUOTE]I went to Largo do Machado last Friday. A big disappointment.

I went to Rua Bento Lisboa. 184. First I tried Luciana Massagens in sala 609. The girl that opened told me they only worked by appointment and only one more girl was available right then. Nothing interesting.

Then I went down to sala 314 which is supposed to have a privê. It seemed to be closed.

Finally I started looking for Jú Panteras. I only knew that it was located on the fourth floor, but I had no sala number. I couldn't start knocking on 26 salas to find the right door so I went down to ask the fat porteiro. He turned out to be a real a-hole. He informed me, with a big smile, that he never heard about a privé in that building and even if he had he would never tell me as it would be against the rules. I tried to call three different numbers to Jú Panteras, but no answer. I asked the guys working in the cabellereiro next door. They all knew about sala 614 but nobody could tell the sala number for Jú Panteras.

A bit sad as I wanted to try Teka / Ingrid (even though she got quite bad reviews at Gpguia).

[url]http://www.jupanteras.com/meninas/teka/teka.htm[/url]

No need for crying. A short metro ride to Carioca and I was soon in one of my favourite privês.

BTW Rovnak, it would be great if you could tell the sala number for Jú Panteras?

From my notebook:-

Ju Panteras 3902-5843 Rua Bento Lisboa 184 Sala 1021 Largo do Machado [url]http://jupanteras.com[/url]

I can't remember it being on the fourth floor. I was there maybe 2 weeks ago. When you leave the elevator you take a left then head to the end of the corridor and it is the last door on your right.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1136076]From my notebook:-

Ju Panteras 3902-5843 Rua Bento Lisboa 184 Sala 1021 Largo do Machado.

[url]http://jupanteras.com[/url]

I can't remember it being on the fourth floor. I was there maybe 2 weeks ago. When you leave the elevator you take a left then head to the end of the corridor and it is the last door on your right. [/QUOTE]I screwed this post up. When you leave the elevator you leave to the right and then go right again. Ju's is towards the end of the corridor on the right. I think it is the second last door on the right.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1136076]From my notebook:-

Ju Panteras 3902-5843 Rua Bento Lisboa 184 Sala 1021 Largo do Machado.

[url]http://jupanteras.com[/url][/QUOTE]Sala 1021. Thank you mestre Bubba. I just heard it was sala 423, but that must be old info.

I went to Tigresastijucanas today again. It was very busy already at 10 AM. Marcele, 19 year old mulatta with wonderful tits, gave top-class service (she doesn't have her photos on the site because of the risc of her family discovering her profession). Well invested R$50.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1136242]Sala 1021. Thank you mestre Bubba. I just heard it was sala 423, but that must be old info.

I went to Tigresastijucanas today again. It was very busy already at 10 AM. Marcele. 19 year old mulatta with wonderful tits, gave top-class service (she doesn't have her photos on the site because of the risc of her family discovering her profession). Well invested R$50. [/QUOTE]She actually did have her photos on the site until this week. She is hot. Does anal for an extra R$20! Good choice Sperto.

Did you see rafaela in the line up there? She is new and judging by her photos looks like my type.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1136064]I went to Largo do Machado last Friday. A big disappointment.

I went to Rua Bento Lisboa. 184. First I tried Luciana Massagens in sala 609. The girl that opened told me they only worked by appointment and only one more girl was available right then. Nothing interesting.

Then I went down to sala 314 which is supposed to have a privê. It seemed to be closed.

Finally I started looking for Jú Panteras. I only knew that it was located on the fourth floor, but I had no sala number. I couldn't start knocking on 26 salas to find the right door so I went down to ask the fat porteiro. He turned out to be a real a-hole. He informed me, with a big smile, that he never heard about a privé in that building and even if he had he would never tell me as it would be against the rules. I tried to call three different numbers to Jú Panteras, but no answer. I asked the guys working in the cabellereiro next door. They all knew about sala 614 but nobody could tell the sala number for Jú Panteras.

A bit sad as I wanted to try Teka / Ingrid (even though she got quite bad reviews at Gpguia).

[url]http://www.jupanteras.com/meninas/teka/teka.htm[/url][/QUOTE]When in Rio, do as the Cariocas do: For heaven's sake stick to the rules.

I am really worried. Every day a different set of gringos stumbling all over the building, looking and asking for wh. Re houses, tipping of the neighbors, bothering the door man, and creating ill will for the massage parlor.

Sperto at least is not clue-less, imagine the damage a group of loud trash talking drunk gringos can do.

Loudly talking indecent whoring issues in English believing nobody understands what they talk.

Next thing, another set of wh. Re houses will be closed, due to neighbor's complaints.

10 years ago Newscort, scortshow, karlamodels, everyone had prives. All got closed down, because neighbors don't like living next to brothels.

And then the only option is to pay R$ 60 for a motel, and you have no other option then to order a girl ahead of time.

Why don't you go to scortshow and try to knock at their door? Not too hard to find out the building.

Going straight to scort show is just as taboo as knocking at jupanteras without an appointment. When in Rome do as the Romans do. And when in Rio, do as the Cariocas do.

These agencies have different apartments, when you make your appointment they will tell you which apartment to go to.

Why do you think they don't publish their address in their web sites? Because they don't want you to show up unannounced. And they don't want their neighbors to Google their address and find they live next door to a wh. Ore house.

If you can not do the rules, stick to tourist traps like Barbarella. Or VM, where nothing is secret, nobody is hiding from the neighbors.

In VM and similar places, people who violate rules are beaten, sometimes even killed. Security is in the hand of milicia, mafia, off duty police goons, etc. If you don't stick to the rules in VM, mafia probably will spare you a serious beating, giving you credit for being a clueless gringo. But if they tell you to get lost and not come back, better heed their advice. Or even better, be well informed, well guided, and well behaved so you don't get in trouble in the first place.

Last time I published about some agencies, someone warned me I should not have done it. They were probably right.

I often take people with me to places I go to. Not only people who rent my rooms but often just other foreigners. A few will insist on not keeping to rules, skimping on R$ 5 beers, etc. These are usually the same guys who plunk down R$ 500 at a terma, but then are too cheap to pay R$ 5 or 10 even though they groped a few girls.

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I wonder what is wrong with Teka at jupanteras. I did her a year ago and she was great. But girls get older and more seasoned.

I went to jupanteras today. The only interesting one was Keyla (I thought, from the photos). I made an appointment, saw her, found I was very mistaken and backed out. They charge me a R$ 10 fee. Well, better paying R$ 10 then f. Cking a dog.

Polyana is wonderful, highly praised in all boards. Did her before, and will repeat (I rarely repeat).

The few times I have been there, there have always been Brazilian guys knocking on the door looking for a presentation. It is not just gringos. I know they want everyone to book but the realty is many people turn up and just knock. I don't think it is fair that Brazilspecialist says gringos are loud. Possibly drunk etc. In my experience the local Brazilian guys are way louder, way pushier and generally cause a much bigger scene than 95% of gringos. I frequent mostly Brazilian only clubs now and it is a much harder environment!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1136247]She actually did have her photos on the site until this week. She is hot. Does anal for an extra R$20! Good choice Sperto.

Did you see rafaela in the line up there? She is new and judging by her photos looks like my type. [/QUOTE]Marcele didn't do anal yesterday as she wasn't "prepared". I didn't see Rafaela yesterday, but I saw her last week. She was my first choice until Natasha presented herself with her impressive tits.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1136321]When in Rio, do as the Cariocas do: For heaven's sake stick to the rules.

Why do you think they don't publish their address in their web sites? Because they don't want you to show up unannounced. [/QUOTE]Most privês don't show their address in classificados or on their site. The main reason isn't because they don't want you to show up unannounced. They are discreet establishments, sometimes located in residential buildings or office buildings. Also they don't want a lot of guys just showing up to take a peak withou having a session and waste their time. Privês are different from BA85 etc.

Normally it's no problem at all just showing up without an appointment, see their girls and maybe have a session. Of course there are a few exceptions where they might insist on you making an appointment, e g Luciana Massagens.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1134240]Given your background, I think Rio would (mildly) disappoint you as a sex destination. Its a great city, but isn't ideal for what you described. If you interview in Jakarta for gems the way that people do in Brasil, I know from experience that you'll find Indon girls in the Blok and in Kota that will do everything that's ever been posted in this Rio thread, with equal dedication and at half the price. Jakarta seems like your best option, especially considering your lower costs to get there. BTW, the 'best places for STR thread' is the most appropriate place for this discussion.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much for the insight, Puta Playa (and for the tip on the ST thread, which ought to get more attention). I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês. The girls on those sites and the escort sites like Karla look amazing, and the prices seem reasonable. Can I assume a lot of that is Photoshop magic, or is the quality actually rather good? I have been doing a lot of looking at the photo galleries for Indonesia and Brazil, and have to say that, except for the incomparable Brazilian bunda and tan lines, the Indon girls hold their own. (And to my eye, based on experiences in Colombia, Philippines, and a few other places, there's a fine line between the facial beauty of Latinas and SE Asian girls. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes).

A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city?

Thanks also to Mr. Enternational; I agree that there are tons of things to do in Thailand, but I know that some people I know who would hear of a strictly Thailand trip would draw the wrong (but actually very correct) conclusions about the goal of my visit!

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1136577]Thanks very much for the insight, Puta Playa (and for the tip on the ST thread, which ought to get more attention). I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês. The girls on those sites and the escort sites like Karla look amazing, and the prices seem reasonable. Can I assume a lot of that is Photoshop magic, or is the quality actually rather good? I have been doing a lot of looking at the photo galleries for Indonesia and Brazil, and have to say that, except for the incomparable Brazilian bunda and tan lines, the Indon girls hold their own. (And to my eye, based on experiences in Colombia, Philippines, and a few other places, there's a fine line between the facial beauty of Latinas and SE Asian girls. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes).

A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city?

Thanks also to Mr. Enternational; I agree that there are tons of things to do in Thailand, but I know that some people I know who would hear of a strictly Thailand trip would draw the wrong (but actually very correct) conclusions about the goal of my visit! [/QUOTE]I really like reading your posts. Insightful. At this point and time my focus is on south america (Brazil in particular).

I am heading down for 2 weeks in early April and would like to know some of the best hotels / motels to stay at in Rio, Sao Paulo and Salvador that is in the heart for the best action.

Thailand will be my focus next year. And looking forward to heading east. Once this is complete, I to will be able to make comparisons either way!

Looking forward to any info / suggestions!

In Rio I would avoid the hotels. The exchange rate is horrible. You can get a really nice apartment in Rio for half the price.

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1134165]I'm planning one last major mongering bender in mid April (10-14 days).

(One factor: I have to justify the trip as tourism, so for example a strictly Bangkok trip would definitely raise red flags). Here goes:

Brazil (Rio) – Cost to travel about $1400 – Pros: I generally love Latinas and tan lines and diverse looks, and what I hear about Brazilian girls in bed (confirmed at an FKK and LMP) ; Cons: I would be there around and during holy week; Termas seem expensive and exchange rate to dollar not great; No Portuguese but I've managed with no Spanish in other countries and so maybe can fake it; Been there once (pre mongering days) and want to do non-mongering activities but trip not long enough to see lots of Brazil.
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I don't know if this helps, but compared to the other places you mention I think one downside of Brasil is that, even for an experienced monger, your first time there you are more of a 'newbie' than in places like Manila, Bangkok, Hong Kong, FKK or LMP. 10-14 days is not very long, also considering the amount of hassle involved. I think Puta Playa did a 'how to do Rio in a few days' post a while back, as others have. But it is no cake walk. Would suggest lots of research and very clear (but adaptable) plans.

[quote]Macau, Changping, Hong Kong (with possible Bangkok layover). Cost to Travel $1000 to $1400 – Pros:; like the idea of trying KTV and Chinese saunas; Can visit a relative in Macau so I have a good pretext to go; Want to go now before scene gets shut down or too pricey; Bangkok layover chance a big plus. Cons: US visa issue, no Chinese language, Macau saunas seem a bit pricey, lots of reports about Chinese girls being too mechanical, though I have contradictory experience in KL and elsewhere. . .[/quote]Not as big a scene as RJ, BKK or MNL but much more straightforward. If you stay in HK mainland rather than the expensive island itself you can get reasonable hotels, yellow-sign parlours, or genteel 'streetwalkers' with nearby apartments. ANd plenty of cultural diversity once you look for it (ignoring the determined tourist-programming that hits as soon as you step foot in there).

[quote]Jakarta – Cost to travel $650 – Pros: Wild girls (threesomes) at Jakarta places, prices seem fair, would like to visit Sumatra so Jakarta a good launch point. Cons: Been to Jakarta and didn't love the city, and that seems like the only place to really monger on the trip; Indo girls nice, but may want more diversity[/quote]I've been a couple of times and hated the place, but PP seems to know his stuff there and I would probably take his advice if I went back. You can get short flights to Bali, BKK or Singapore from there if you don't like it. (depending on taste, but Singapore-Geylang is the no-fuss option).

[quote]Other options: Colombia, Manila: been to both places recently, great sex / price, but don't have lots of time to see new parts of country to justify going.[/quote]Plus, it has to be said, Manilia is a bit of a shit hole. If you can get out to the nicer places (I liked the floating bars area near Subic Bay) it has much to offer, but getting around can be either a hassle or expensive due to the fairly dire infrastructure.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HelpRules;1136800]In Rio I would avoid the hotels. The exchange rate is horrible. You can get a really nice apartment in Rio for half the price.[/QUOTE]Please elaborate in the hotel / apartment thread. Granted hotels are now R$240+ per day, but where are you finding "really nice aparments" for R$120? I am sure I am not the only one who would like to know.

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1136577]I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês.

A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city? [/QUOTE]If transportation headaches are a concern, Rio privês and Jakarta in general are not for you. Privês require you to take subway / bus rides and a lot of walking to orient yourself to where you've landed, and walk all over to interview and find suitable GFE girls that provide good services like BBBJWCIM and anal. Take Tijuca Tigressas for an example. The first time, I walked all over that hill for a half hour questioning myself, and even stopped at an internet cafe to double check, before figuring out that yes, my note is correct and it really [i]is[/i] somewhere inside that damn parking garage..I don't expect a ho house to be inside a parking garage and thinking my note must be wrong. haha! Also, one of the apartos on Rio Branco is weird as well. The elevator stops one floor below and then you have to walk up a flight of stairs. Some people never figure that out and just leave. The mongering scene in Rio is big, but 95% of it is somewhat clandestine and geared toward the locals. You don't see a lot of girls selling, or any big flashing signs. For example, everyone here hits Luomo at some point. The place is buried upstair in a mall and you'd never know it existed unless someone told you. You could walk by and not even know it was one of the best little ho houses in Rio.

Jakarta in general is a whole different thing. Transportation nightmare during the daytime. The night isn't much better. Much, much harder than Rio.

Sounds like maybe the Phillipines is the place for you, if you've been there before, know it, etc. Your stated goal was to have one last big mongering trip, so perhaps you should focus on a place like PI with low cost, high quality, high volume sex and not worry about the allure of Rio as a city. Sugarloaf Mountain is cool, but you can't fuck it. And if you try to hump the base of Cristo Redentor during Holy Week they'll probably call in the BOPE. You're an experienced guy. Pick your favorite place from the past, and go back to that place that you already know if you want to have the best experience in a short time. Don't be misled by the exploits of people on this thread. Most of the contributors here have been to Rio multiple times before being comfortable enough to do things that they've posted. Some live there, some almost live there, most speak the language to some extent. It's not like the Brasil of 5 or more years ago when the girls were sometimes actually selling ass to afford food and lodging. That's the Brasil that made Brasil famous. Now people come and think it must be the sensual ways of the Brasilieras that made Rio famous as a P4P destination. I think it was the fact that the girls were truly poor until the last few years, and looked up to a ''rich gringo', routinely practiced unsafe sex due to ignorance or not caring, and usually wanted to stay over for the night. The girls were even wanting marriage to gringos. Not so any more. Now you have to make an effort and go after them, where they work, interview them, pretend you like them, etc.

Contrast that with Jakarta where you can just walk around a mall and be picked up by a 'student' who needs money, and she'll fuck you bareback, CIM or whatever you want, and hang out all afternoon. Brasilian girls don't chase gringos anymore, they let the gringos come to them. They think like business people and not poor people, cause they're no longer poor. Better of sticking with what you know....each time in a place tends to be better than the last.