Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=Terrym1;1801716]It occurred to me that a possible reason girls didn't want to go with me was where I was staying. Since I was staying for a month, I thought it would be nice to rent an apartment. But short-term apartments are hard to find in Phnom Penh. The only place I would was in the BKK1 neighborhood near Independence Monument. That's a 30 minute walk to Riverside, or a $3 tuk tuk ride. It's a fine area to live, and I have my own moto to get around, so I thought it would be OK. But some girls asked me where I was staying. When I said BKK1 or Independence Monument, they had no idea what I was talking about. Since they had no idea where I was staying, they probably decided they didn't want to go with me.

Something I wonder about is what to do about the real pretty young girls that sucker me into buying them a drink. They don't speak a word of English and there are no games, so it's impossible to build rapport with them. They just stand there aloofly. I just cut my losses and leave. I wonder if folks have any luck just directly asking them to go. I get the feeling they would demur.[/QUOTE]Sorry, a bit off topic here but can I ask how much you paid for a months rent in a local neighborhood? I was there a few years ago and thought about coming back and staying a month or two. I'll probably stay at NaNa hotel for a bit, they gave me 18 usd for a week stay w / breakfast which is reasonable but rooms are tiny.

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1803783]Well there's pages and pages of guys here reporting frustration with those bars. One guy after another reports buying lots of drinks only to eventually find out the girl won't go out. Sorry, really hard to believe bar owners are not aware of this particular customer service problem. If they want to clear things up they could just stop letting girls go out for ST or FT. Then we would see how many guys are happy to spend extra dollars to just sit with a nice young lady and talk.[/QUOTE]There are several bars that don't have bar fines or let workers leave with customers, and they have been around longer than all the other bars. Shanghai is one very good example.

Bars where every woman bar fines every time are among the least busy and least popular. See Island Bar and City Bar. Customers are few and far between.

There's really no excuse to wander blindly into a bar in this day and age especially for people who know sites like this exist. You can know what a place is like before you visit and you can find out the difference between hostess bars and brothels.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1802918]Nagaworld casino girls are upscale and kind of snotty. I took few girls from the bar and satisfaction is 50-50. Not at all GFE. I paid $60 LT. If you are staying at the casino hotel it is good. However you will find very good GFE girls at other local bars.

I would take a nice looking girl from one of the bars into the casino. They really get the the thrill. Of course I ask them to dress up. You get free Buffett dinner at the casino. Just go to the host desk and ask for two vouchers. No question asked. Very good tasty Buffett.

Casino bar girls are primarily looking for Asian gamblers who need a quick romp and pay good.[/QUOTE]Naga girls are dirt poor rice farmers daughters just like the women in the hostess bars. They simply know how to hustle. Proof is that many of the current crop used to or still do freelance at places like sharkys, pontoon and martini before or after working Naga.

They ask 100 in Naga because it's full of Asian guys who spend it. The same women short time for 30 when freelancing at other places and fuck their unemployed uneducated local boyfriends for free. Nothing upscale about them at all.

Upscale women in Cambodia remain virgins until they are married and never go anywhere near prostitutes. They don't even share the same hair dressers. They drive Lexus not moto dops. Etc etc etc.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1803958]Naga girls are dirt poor rice farmers daughters just like the women in the hostess bars. They simply know how to hustle. Proof is that many of the current crop used to or still do freelance at places like sharkys, pontoon and martini before or after working Naga.

They ask 100 in Naga because it's full of Asian guys who spend it. The same women short time for 30 when freelancing at other places and fuck their unemployed uneducated local boyfriends for free. Nothing upscale about them at all.

Upscale women in Cambodia remain virgins until they are married and never go anywhere near prostitutes. They don't even share the same hair dressers. They drive Lexus not moto dops. Etc etc etc.[/QUOTE]By upscale I meant good looking with nice bodies. Of course at Naga they demand higher price. As everybody know casino patrons pay more. These days virgins are hard to find irrespective of what social circle they come from. Like one AC girl told she is virgin for the day meaning nobody fucked her that day-LOL.

One of the few reasons Cyrcee was interesting amongst the happiness was that it had its ducks in a row and good control over its staff. Sadly this has ended at Cyrcee with the foreign customer, living locally or tourist, susceptible to price gauging from the girls. Having asked questions this is not a training issue but rather an issue that the staff member believes the foreigner can pay more. Price gauging at Cyrcee is a sad thing, Be careful when in the rooms with multiple girls.

I don't see how price gouging is even possible at cyrcee. There's no discussion of price. After the deed a guy gives the gal or gals 25-30 each and that's that. Has worked fine for years.

In the informal markets of Asia asking "how much" is basically an invitation to be overcharged. But in Cambodia even that naive question is usually answered with "up to you" allowing a second chance to pay the going rate.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1803972]By upscale I meant good looking with nice bodies. Of course at Naga they demand higher price. As everybody know casino patrons pay more. These days virgins are hard to find irrespective of what social circle they come from. Like one AC girl told she is virgin for the day meaning nobody fucked her that day-LOL.[/QUOTE]Cambodia isn't the Philippines or Thailand. Any woman from a respectable family (rich or otherwise) is basically sequestered until marriage. They don't go anywhere alone, they usually don't go out at night, etc. Teenage pregnancy is rare. There are millions of virgins over 20 years old which is now a rarity in most of Asia. It's still one of the most conservative countries outside of the Arab world when it comes to sex.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1804237]Cambodia isn't the Philippines or Thailand. Any woman from a respectable family (rich or otherwise) is basically sequestered until marriage. They don't go anywhere alone, they usually don't go out at night, etc. Teenage pregnancy is rare. There are millions of virgins over 20 years old which is now a rarity in most of Asia. It's still one of the most conservative countries outside of the Arab world when it comes to sex.[/QUOTE]Actually the virginity issue only applies to the families with money, what some people call the "middle class. " The vast majority are not middle class and many fuck like bunnies whenever no one is looking and teenage pregnancy is common.

This is also the way it is with Laos and long time ago in Thailand. Indonesia has a version of this viewpoint too.

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1784759]It has nothing to do with Cambodia. It's just a few foreigner bars in PP. Face it, dude. It's stupid. Nobody goes to those bars looking to find wives. That's mental.[/QUOTE]First, I'm not your dude. Please be more polite when you give response to others post. Accept that people are different and that this is not mental.

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1803783]Well there's pages and pages of guys here reporting frustration with those bars. One guy after another reports buying lots of drinks only to eventually find out the girl won't go out. Sorry, really hard to believe bar owners are not aware of this particular customer service problem. If they want to clear things up they could just stop letting girls go out for ST or FT. Then we would see how many guys are happy to spend extra dollars to just sit with a nice young lady and talk.[/QUOTE]The bars in Phnom Penh's is not like they are in Thailand. Whether you like it or not, that is the way it is.

I have taken many girls home from various bars in Phnom Penh. Only very rarely has a girl said no. Try to look at your own person. If you are gross, you do not have many chances.

I go most to bars driven by farangs. This because there it is the toilets cleanest and the girls sweetest. My experience is that the owners are very attentive to the girls' behavior.

Some girls never or rarely go with custommers. If you are new in a bar and want to be sure not to give drinks to a girl who never goes with custommers, ask the girl upfront or talk to the cashier first. If you're in a bar with a farang owner, talk to him.

[QUOTE=Simian;1804453]Actually the virginity issue only applies to the families with money, what some people call the "middle class. " The vast majority are not middle class and many fuck like bunnies whenever no one is looking and teenage pregnancy is common.

This is also the way it is with Laos and long time ago in Thailand. Indonesia has a version of this viewpoint too.[/QUOTE]No. It applies to everyone. The peasant majority deals with this more than anyone else in fact. They live in small villages where everyone knows everything quickly. Losing virginity before marriage is a huge disgrace to the family and eliminates the ability of the family to extract a decent bride price at wedding time. For people who make 1000-3000 dollars a year this is a major issue.

Again, Cambodia is not Thailand or the Philippines or Laos or anywhere else, even if they look similar to outsiders.

There is more anonymity in the big cities, or in the case of Cambodia the one big city of Phnom Penh. With that comes a little more freedom, but not much. As anyone who has lived there for any amount of time can tell you, you run into the same people over and over. That's even more common for Cambodians with extended families, friends, school mates, etc. Rumors spread fast, judgement is very harsh, and family pressure can be too much to bear.

There is a reason most prostitution was done by Vietnamese women in the years during and immediately following UNTAC. Even coming out of brutal war and famine most Khmer people wouldn't consider sex work in those early days.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1804237]Cambodia isn't the Philippines or Thailand. Any woman from a respectable family (rich or otherwise) is basically sequestered until marriage. They don't go anywhere alone, they usually don't go out at night, etc. Teenage pregnancy is rare. There are millions of virgins over 20 years old which is now a rarity in most of Asia. It's still one of the most conservative countries outside of the Arab world when it comes to sex.[/QUOTE]All over the world including Phi and Thailand virginity is taken seriously before marriage. Many parents are very strict. At the same time it is impossible to watch girls constantly and restrict their movements. Girls lie all the time saying they are going to stay with their girlfriends. It happened to me many times. They get constant calls from their parents while I am fucking her. She will tell them she is fine etc. It takes very little to loose virginity. Even in very strict middle eastern families when the girls are outside of their family control they run wild. Same all over the world.

I had a virgin in Thailand who was 25 years old. She said she came from a strict family. At the same time she was trying to get a nice man to marry her. Got tired of waiting. For many girls one time sex means they are still technical virgins.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1804790]All over the world including Phi and Thailand virginity is taken seriously before marriage. Many parents are very strict. At the same time it is impossible to watch girls constantly and restrict their movements. Girls lie all the time saying they are going to stay with their girlfriends. It happened to me many times. They get constant calls from their parents while I am fucking her. She will tell them she is fine etc. It takes very little to loose virginity. Even in very strict middle eastern families when the girls are outside of their family control they run wild. Same all over the world.

I had a virgin in Thailand who was 25 years old. She said she came from a strict family. At the same time she was trying to get a nice man to marry her. Got tired of waiting. For many girls one time sex means they are still technical virgins.[/QUOTE]All over the world? Who expects to marry a virgin in USA or France? No one. Most guys I know wouldn't consider it. It's rare in the Philippines even though the church promotes it. Thailand talks about it but it's pretty common for Thai women to lose their virginity before marriage as all the unwed teen mothers show.

Cambodia is different. The majority of women marry as virgins and teen pregnancy without marriage is very rare. Any single mother came out of a divorce rather than a runaway boyfriend as you see in Thailand, Philippines, etc.

Don't take my word for it. Check the stats. I won't post a bunch of studies here but they confirm what my experience suggests.

Laos and Isaan are full of unmarried mothers who got knocked up in their teens. Same with the Philippines. Cambodia is quantively different.

The percentage of women under 19 in Cambodia who have had children is 8%. This is country where sex education is almost non existent and rural marriages involving 15-16 year old girls are common.

On the other hand Thailand and Laos have the highest percentage of unmarried teen pregnancies in ASEAN, followed by the Philippines.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1804544]

The bars in Phnom Penh's is not like they are in Thailand. Whether you like it or not, that is the way it is.

I have taken many girls home from various bars in Phnom Penh. Only very rarely has a girl said no. Try to look at your own person. If you are gross, you do not have many chances.

I go most to bars driven by farangs. This because there it is the toilets cleanest and the girls sweetest. My experience is that the owners are very attentive to the girls' behavior.

Some girls never or rarely go with custommers. If you are new in a bar and want to be sure not to give drinks to a girl who never goes with custommers, ask the girl upfront or talk to the cashier first. If you're in a bar with a farang owner, talk to him.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you say and it's good advice. Especially about asking the owner, if he is a westerner. Though most of the bars are Cambodian owned and managed. Foreign owned and managed bars include Cheers, Soft Spot, Top Ten and Matilda's on street 104, Honeypot, Loco, Angry Birds, Lotus Girls and Simply the Best on street 130, Valhalla on 102, Narys and Pretty Woman on 110.

But I think that if you ask a bargirl straight away "do you go out with customers?" without even buying her one drink, she is much more likely to say no than if you at least buy her one drink (it's only $3. 50), chat to her, let her feel more relaxed about you, and then ask her.

And ask "do you sometimes go out?" rather than "do you go out?" Because the girl wants to keep the option of saying yes or no to you while she gets to know you a bit better. If you just ask her straight out, her default answer is likely to be NO, whereas if you've taken ten minutes to talk to her a bit, she is much more likely to say yes.

The key thing to remember about hostesses here is that they are SELECTIVE about when and who they will go out with. It is not a meat market environment like the Philippines or Thailand. So increase your chance of her saying yes by being a little bit patient.

If you can't be patient, there are places in Phnom Penh that are 'grab and go'. Cyrcee Bar in St 49, Golden Sorya Mall in St 51, the two or three fishbowl massage places around town, Darling Darling lounge in Nagaworld (but $100! Walkabout Hotel in 51 and a few other places.

Hey guys!

It has been 3 years that I haven't been to PP and I am coming for a week in December!

I used to love Martini as it was quite chilled and I liked the Viet freelancers there, some real lookers for a normal price, meaning not Darling Darling prices which I find outrageous when you compare to what you would find in Pattaya for the same price. Where do all these girls go nowadays? Pontoon? HoD?

Also, I was just wondering how much bottle service costs in Pontoon nowadays, IE bottle of Smirnoff or Finland? Also can you keep your bottle for the next day if unfinished? Also is there a VIP area?

Last time I was in PP I used to stick with hostess bars and Martini or quick drink at Pontoon but I'd like to give discos a better shot this time.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Iain107;1807130]Hey guys!

It has been 3 years that I haven't been to PP and I am coming for a week in December!

I used to love Martini as it was quite chilled and I liked the Viet freelancers there, some real lookers for a normal price, meaning not Darling Darling prices which I find outrageous when you compare to what you would find in Pattaya for the same price. Where do all these girls go nowadays? Pontoon? HoD?

Also, I was just wondering how much bottle service costs in Pontoon nowadays, IE bottle of Smirnoff or Finland? Also can you keep your bottle for the next day if unfinished? Also is there a VIP area?

Last time I was in PP I used to stick with hostess bars and Martini or quick drink at Pontoon but I'd like to give discos a better shot this time.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Martine is closed down. Really sucked at the end.

Girls mostly go to Pontoon and G-Pub afterward. However there is a new set-up in Pontoon competing with G-Pub for afterhours.

Bottle service starts at around 65 USD.

Keeping the bottle no prob.

No VIP area.

Have fun. As I had all the times.