Medellin Reports

I have to admit I've never been to Moet, so I cannot compare. As you said, very subjective. But I'll say this. In my opinion, Gustos is filled with 7's and 8's. There are rare 6's. But they also have a few 9's on most nights. And Gustos had the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life. She is my "the one that got away". That story is for another time, I suppose. But you raised another good point, which was actually why I responded in this thread. A few posters think we are foolish for setting foot in there. And If my goal was to land the hottest chick I can with the least money spent and the simple transaction approach, I would agree. But like I mentioned in my first reply, we're not all after the same thing. I will stand by my belief that if you sit and talk to her, most importantly let her feel comfortable with you, your experience will be heightened. As Secksee said, sometimes you want to drink and flirt. On the other hand, I have never gone to Centro. Why? Because I don't find a 30 second negotiation and a business transaction fun. Do I think others are stupid for patronizing Centro? Hell no. That's what they like. One size doesn't fit all. And those that criticize methods other than their own are probably missing out.

[QUOTE=Secksee1;2816664]I have never been to Gustos, however, I have used similar "methods" as you have in Moet. While I have been told as high as 300 USD (she was easily one of the most attractive women I have ever laid eyes on but I obviously passed), I have gotten very attractive women out of Moet for 250-300 k COP. My question: In your opinion, are the women in Gustos more attractive than those in Moet. I know attractive is a somewhat relative term, which is why I asked "in your opinion. " While I have regulars and get my women from a variety of places, I do enjoy flirting, a drink, and dancing from time to time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2816861]It's a good American style bar in Medellin and that's about it..[/QUOTE]I guess in a small club you can see the girls more closely.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2816773]You don't have a secret sauce because there is none. Your ability to negotiate depends more on external factors rather than on your game or looks:

What time is it? Is the night still young and there are still good chances of finding a paying client or the venue is about to close soon?

Has she already sessioned with someone else? Or has someone else scheduled after?

Guys to girls ratio on that particular night? Maybe too many girls and very few gringos, or vice versa?

Her personal circumstances. How desperate is she? Maybe she has been sick for a couple of weeks and just got back to work to earn some money to pay her past due rent? Or maybe she was visiting a family out of town and just got back in town and needs money for whatever reason? Etc.

How hot is she? Is she in demand and being hit by almost every gringo walking in or just standing in the corner and nobody even paying attention to her?

Only after all of the above, your game (smile, drinks, small talk, etc) comes into play.[/QUOTE]I would agree with all of that. But again, I can only talk from my experiences. I'd estimate I've landed 15 Gustos girls in the last 12 months. And I'd say it is close to a 50/50 split on that night vs meeting up the next day. The most I've paid is 600 k. (I might have also paid another 50 k for a taxi but I'm not certain.) Those girls ranged from a 7 to a 9 on my scale. The least expensive cost me a dinner plus taxi.

You are right on all of that except one point. To me, the most important factor is her comfort level with you. That opens up more doors than anything.

And I'll add this, not specific to you Miami, but you made a good point. Why are Gustos girls talked about like they are a unicorn? They are just like the others. Yes, generally more attractive as a group. And yes they charge a premium because of where they are. But as you pointed out, they all have problems. They all have needs. I've met girls from many different locations. They're all the same. They're doing their job because they need to make ends meet. We can make it more complex than it is. And if you don't see value in Gustos, don't go. Again, just my experience but the time I've invested and the extra $50 USD I spent, is well worth it.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2816944]I swear people like you and others come to Medellin to pay top dollar for no other reason but to stroke your own ego and impress other guys (kind of gay man). Once again I'll repeat, gustos is not the only place in the city. Its set up its not unique nor exclusive.[/QUOTE]For some guys who have never mongered in Asia, Europe, or other South American / Latin countries, there reference base is going to be very limited, hence they may think Gustos is the next best thing besides sliced bread.

And as was mentioned by another poster, the "weekend warriors" are the one's patronizing the place not knowing any better, nor really caring what their spending, and at the end of the day who cares.

It may seem odd to some, but lots of guys who come to Medellin can easily afford Gustos, however they are into the casa's, the SW's in Centro, and Fayboo Chicas, and won't go inside Gustos.

So for guys who don't patronize Gustos, some may chuckle about how guys are getting hosed there, but does it matter, as everybody rolls different.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2816955]Where your car analogy collapses is this. MDE only has 1 car factory and it manufactures both BMW and Hyundai on the same production line using the same materials and production standards. Once assembled, the workers either stick a Hyundai sticker or more flashy BMW sticker on it... Then add a couple of zeros on the price.[/QUOTE]That is why I say nobody would be giving these chicks a bunch of money if they saw them where they are from and live. Who would walk into the ghetto or trailer park of their hometown and offer any chick $200? Take the chick where she is from and slap some clothes and makeup on her and parade her in front of a bunch of horny foreigners and all of a sudden she is Lady Godiva.

Same exact thing happens in Thailand. All those chicks come from rice or rubber farms same as the chick in the picture. The whole farm does not take in but $1200 per year. Throw her on a bus to Bangkok or Pattaya and put a skimpy dress and makeup on her and put her under some flashing colored lights and to all the foreigners she is now worth $100 or more for short time. Guys talking about she is worth this amount or she knows her worth. Like Eddie Murphy said, she was butt naked on a zebra 2 weeks ago. You told her she was worth that. She damn sure was not worth that where she came from.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816812]......But my point is, I don't get why gustos get such hate.......[/QUOTE]I find it quite weird. I have been to Medellin numerous times and have never been to Gustos but I have absolutely no issue with guys going there. Whatever rocks your boat, have fun. There are men who prefer that environment rather than a casa which I like. To each his own. In Colombia I like casas. In Germany I like FKKs. In Thailand I like MPs. Thankfully, we all have different tastes which spreads mongers around rather than all mongers crowding particular venues.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816807]LOL. Dude are you serious right now? There are tons of hooker pickup bars and discos all over the world. ![/QUOTE]What I have come to realize is that most dudes just ain't never been nowhere. You hear stuff like this from guys in Sosua all the time I'm like you guys just don't know.

This is not a argumentative post. LOL. Just thoughts.

Is it not unfair to paint all Gustos patrons with the same stroke? In other words, I could see people going their for a variety of reasons: it's fairly safe and easy, it paints itself as high end and can therefore be a part of someone's "high end" experience, some patron are foolish suckers, some patrons go there as a kind of tourist attraction not too different from seeing Fisherman's Wharf in SF or Times Square in NY, some patrons like to club and drink and flirt, and I imagine there are more reasons. Seeing everyone who go to a place like a Gustos as fools and weekend warriors is not entirely different than the way the larger public tries it's best to paint all of us predators who take advantage of powerless women. While there are those who are predatorial, I have met enough of us in person to know that is not the case for most.

I have not been to Gustos but I have been to other clubs in that area (Moet when I wanted to drink and flirt and another 2 when I just wanted to see their vibe). I have taken a girl out of Moet twice because both times, we had great vibes. I have also been up and down Lleras Park, which has been hit or miss for me. I have gone to El Centro, which I did not like one bit. It was not about safety for me. I travel a lot and El Centro is no where near on my top 5 most dangerous areas I have been. I didn't like it for other reasons. I have been to casas (mostly good for me). I have met prepagos. I have met them on facebook, Seeking, and tinder. I know there are lot of tinder fears here but that has been my favorite tool. I have even been to overly expensive La Isla because I wanted to just look at a bunch of naked women. I have paid as low as 80,000 COP and as high 400,000 COP. I say all of that to say, I chose different things for different reasons and different experiences and I assume others do as well.

While there are groups of people offering a lot, weekend warriors, and fools, no one thing alters the market. I've talked with a bunch chicas, real conversation because my spanish is decent, and quite a few of them have mentioned that they have friends and family who travel doing this work and they make more. The Colombianas who work in casas in the US, those in Mexico, those in countries in Europe, Canada, Panama even. Now, we can argue over why a chica in the US might deserve more, they often do not. And there are other market forces besides that.

Lastly, why yall argue so much over getting pussy? I use this as a tool for information and I am befuddled with all of the arguments. I truly thank yall for opening the door through providing information and allowing me to find my way.

Out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816984]That is why I say nobody would be giving these chicks a bunch of money if they saw them where they are from and live. Who would walk into the ghetto or trailer park of their hometown and offer any chick $200? Take the chick where she is from and slap some clothes and makeup on her and parade her in front of a bunch of horny foreigners and all of a sudden she is Lady Godiva.

Same exact thing happens in Thailand. All those chicks come from rice or rubber farms same as the chick in the picture. The whole farm does not take in but $1200 per year. Throw her on a bus to Bangkok or Pattaya and put a skimpy dress and makeup on her and put her under some flashing colored lights and to all the foreigners she is now worth $100 or more for short time. Guys talking about she is worth this amount or she knows her worth. Like Eddie Murphy said, she was butt naked on a zebra 2 weeks ago. You told her she was worth that. She damn sure was not worth that where she came from.[/QUOTE]What's the point you are trying to make? She is not worth that where she came from because there are no paying clients there, zero demand. By your logic, just because she came from a poor barrio or from a farm, she is worthless or close to worthless simply because nobody would pay her there and any monger should also pay her peanuts, because she is poor. You never heard of supply and demand? Girls get those rates because they can. Because, we, paying customers, are willing to pay those rates. Basic economics.

Apparently you can't get out of pussy is pussy mentality. You don't see any difference between a cheap ugly SW from El Centro and a classy high end dama de compania from El Poblado.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817021]What's the point you are trying to make? She is not worth that where she came from because there are no paying clients there, zero demand. ...[/QUOTE]Mr E is basically right. To me, it has to do with most of them derived their value from their customers. They don't have any skills or even future potential for any good paying jobs. They would rather sit on their ass all day waiting for higher paying customer while wasting their time at home. To me, the way to make more money is to work more and harder in their situation. This logic escape them but it is more common in Asia.

If the girl has a good paying job, has other options but she choose to sell sex for a living because she can make more, that is a different story altogether. I simply don't see this case for most girls we interact in Medellin, Seeking maybe. If a girl has skill, and choose to sell sex to support her education, that is also different. I met a few in Brazil but never in Medellin. The photo is an 18 yr old. She makes most of her own clothes, including the this full leather outfit. I did not even buy her drink, and I tested drive her enough before taking her. The drawback with girls like this is they are often busy for their goal. It's harder to arrange appointment. I never encounter similar problem in Medellin. LOL.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816812]A... I asked this question before but nobody posted anything. ....[/QUOTE]I answer many questions. Your questions often are rudimentary but you don't seen even make an effort to look at the context to find your answer given that you are not a new member.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2816982]For some guys who have never mongered in Asia, Europe, or other South American / Latin countries, there reference base is going to be very limited, hence they may think Gustos is the next best thing besides sliced bread.

And as was mentioned by another poster, the "weekend warriors" are the one's patronizing the place not knowing any better, nor really caring what their spending, and at the end of the day who cares.

It may seem odd to some, but lots of guys who come to Medellin can easily afford Gustos, however they are into the casa's, the SW's in Centro, and Fayboo Chicas, and won't go inside Gustos.

So for guys who don't patronize Gustos, some may chuckle about how guys are getting hosed there, but does it matter, as everybody rolls different.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Surfer. This was my point. Who cares why some people go to Gustos? As I said earlier, I know Centro isn't for me based on reports. I actually do like specific casas and have had success with Fayboo. It's an odd phenomenon on this board. My first trip to Medellin years ago, I stayed at the mansion. People jumped all over that for one reason or another. Someone said it's about bragging. Well, why would I or anyone care about scoring brownie points with some board nickname I'll never meet? Variety is the spice of life. I don't spend 2 seconds worrying about where other mongers shop. I've always said, the value of this board is immense. But that value is because of the variety. We are better off knowing what places are like and what others' experiences are. Because then, we can all choose our own methods.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817021]By your logic, just because she came from a poor barrio or from a farm, she is worthless or close to worthless simply because nobody would pay her there and any monger should also pay her peanuts, because she is poor. You never heard of supply and demand? Girls get those rates because they can. Because, we, paying customers, are willing to pay those rates. Basic economics.[/QUOTE]There was no demand when she was sitting in the hood. To guys there, she was just a normal chick like all the others. The demand only came when foreigners entered the picture.

The same thing happened in South Africa. Those rocks sat in the ground for thousands of years and nobody paid attention to them. They were just like every other rock until De Beers came along and convinced people they should pay a lot of money for this "special" rock. Go try to sell one of those rocks back to the person you bought it from and they will laugh in your face. Go tell some of those barrio people that this chick is worth $200 to fuck and they will do the same.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817021]You don't see any difference between a cheap ugly SW from El Centro and a classy high end dama de compania from El Poblado.[/QUOTE]Which one of those chicks at Gustos is actually FROM Poblado? That is the exact point JT was making. They are not classy and are only high end due to the exorbitant amount that foreigners have paid. Either here or facebook someone was mentioning coca. It is cheap among the locals in Colombia, same as those Gustos girls. I remember a girl at a club in Santa Fe telling me the small bag she was using cost 10,000 pesos. But enter the rich foreigner and they are going to charge at least 5 times more.

We know it is an illusion, and we are clever to forget it, but we all know the story.

We want a pretty young girl because we are somehow genetically programmed for that.

We want to feel she desires us, and this is not only for our self estime, but again, genetically programmed.

We want to feel that with 10 minutes of our salary we can have a girl (el Centro girl), so we feel we are powerful and can have as many girls as we want.

We want to feel we can get the most beautiful of the school, because if we can get the most beautiful and desirable girl, it means we can have all of them.

I recognize I'm in all these "we", sometime more in a group, sometime in another.

Now, "desire" is what we want, "logic" is how to get it in the simplest way.

The problem in our hobby, is that if we only think about the rational logic, then we forget the fun and the desire.

I never expect that a monger is fully rational about his hobby, otherwise there is no more fun.

I love the read all the different opinions from this community, they teach me new ways to dream and have fun.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816812]But my point is, I don't get why gustos get such hate, at least guys like me have that option in gustos who want something more than just the typical escort / stripper experience. I enjoy being able to sit down and have a drink, listen to some music and have the option to physically pick out who I want to talk to, maybe have a drink with and possibly take home, instead of going online & taking my chances on hoping a girl looks like her pictures and will be good company.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. I like to talk to a chica, and maybe even hang out and party together, as part of the overall package. An alternative to Gustos for me has been to pick a SW from Calle 10 and invite her for a drink at Lleras Town. I get to practice my Spanish, the music's not too loud and we share a drink or two before I have to decide. If I like her, we can talk about a deal for the night in a low key environment after she already trusts me. If not, rinse and repeat.