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Hey Bill Miami
Thanks for the info. I have few questions to ask you since I'll be heading to Phuket and Pattaya in early November. YOu mentioned short term and long term with a girl at different rate. How long is short and long term? I'm looking forward to finding girls with DD cup size.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]It wasn’t the 200 Baht, you missed it. I did it because it was the principle of the thing and the fact that I had a 1,000 or more other options at 500 Baht.
By the way, she was fantastic and I have been with her 30 or more times now, which adds up to a savings of 6,000 Baht and growing by the week. But, then again, if she was not great, it would have only saved me 200 Baht.[/QUOTE]Good to know you are a man of of thrift [i]and[/i] principles. This is a trait often lacking in the mongering community!
And, don't worry, I didn't miss anything important in your post. [i]Chok dee![/i] ;)
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]Second, I have to apologize, since I know there are many UK citizens that read this board and for them to understand anything, I really need to be very specific and state every detail.
(Soi’s means roads or streets in Thai for UK nationals reading this; see I am getting better and explaining everything in great detail so you can understand perfectly.)[/QUOTE]Wow, on behalf of all Brits we thank you.
Maybe you should have just kept on walking.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]First, the standard price for a Go-Go bar girl for short time is 1, 500 Baht. But there is nothing standard about Pattaya, and the stunners will want more, so pay it if you like them.
The girls will often ask for 2, 000 Baht for short time since they know you are going to negotiate with them. Thais love to negotiate for everything, and they think you are stupid if you don't.
If they are asking for 2, 500 for short time and will not drop their price, either they don't like either you or your girl, or they think it will be too much work taking care of both of you.[/quote]I am glad you are getting the prices down some so if I just negotiate then I am not the only one. But it is difficult for me to negotiate and too much of it then I don't feel like being with the girl.
But I did pay 1500 for a girl from walking street and one hot one I paid 2000.
So I know I over paid but now I am just walking away from them
I will in the future just tell them what I pay and take it or leave it. So thanks for your guide in what you are paying.
[QUOTE=MauiDude]I am glad you are getting the prices down some so if I just negotiate then I am not the only one. But it is difficult for me to negotiate and too much of it then I don't feel like being with the girl.
But I did pay 1500 for a girl from walking street and one hot one I paid 2000.
So I know I over paid but now I am just walking away from them
I will in the future just tell them what I pay and take it or leave it. So thanks for your guide in what you are paying.[/QUOTE]
Just some musings on this topic...
You can't really blame them for trying to quote a higher rate and see if you go with it. Negotiating for P4P isn't like negotiating a price of a used car, I try to pre-empt a negotiation by not asking how much, but just asking her if she wants to go with me for LT (I always LT at night) and then say 1,500 Baht. Most of them will say ok for this, some say "tilac, 2,000 baht...". Sometimes I agree to 2,000, but not very often. If she says something ridiculous I smile and say "I am not japanese"...
Keep smiling and make it a fun process, getting angry and "playing hardball" isn't going to do you any good in her eyes since once the negotiating is over then it will be followed by you getting to know her very very well so no need to create a bunch of bad will and hard feelings.
If a girl likes you and wants to go with you then she will get the negotiating over with pretty quickly, if she sticks to a silly price then this means she isn't that interested in going with you. It's not necessarily personal, some of the girls specifically look for japanese customers and have done their hair in a way that japanese men like etc so they don't want to go with other farangs.
I think the more time you spend with a girl before you bar fine her, being nice to her, buying her a drink or two, fondling her a bit this makes for a better price. (Alcoholic ones, a girl that asks for one of the "lady drinks" gets ditched instantly.)
Generally prices are higher and girls are more likely to try their luck early in the evening since there is a good chance another farang will come around if you don't take her, and also since if you take her out she loses the money she makes on drinking with customers, from dancing, etc for that evening.
Obviously being sober and showered helps get a better price too...
I think it's reasonable if you pay a bit more if you expect her to do both you and your GF since that is more work for her than if it is just you that she goes with. However, when I have taken out two girls from the same go-go they have never come down from the standard rate when I have said it's less work for them since they are two... :)
[QUOTE=Steve Austin1]Hey Bill Miami
Thanks for the info. I have few questions to ask you since I'll be heading to Phuket and Pattaya in early November. YOu mentioned short term and long term with a girl at different rate. How long is short and long term? I'm looking forward to finding girls with DD cup size.[/QUOTE]
You need to try to clarify this with any girl you go with. The default assumption for ST is 1 hour but many girls will take the view that (1) this includes any time taken to get to your room, and (2) if as in all probability you come earlier than this she will disappear to the bathroom get dressed and say she's off now. This is especially true of the 500B beach rd girls. IN theory LT should be overnight but again you need to agree until what time. Some girls may have in mind leaving at 5-6 am in the morning, others can be happy to hang around until the early afternoon if they are having fun. Usually LT will include two fucks 1 at night and another in the morning.
There are plenty of instances of bait and switch ie promising long time, then taking a call at 2am and coming up with a BS reason why she needs to go early.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]Well gentlemen it has been a long time since my last post, so I thought I would.[/quote]Thank you Bill. Very informative and useful post.
I can't believe that before joining this forum Pattaya was not on my list of things to see in Thailand. I have now cancelled the Northern part of my trip just to spend more time in the South and in Pattaya (I have done Nth Thailand about 10 years ago anyway, so the new experiences that Pattaya has to offer will be much more... ah... cultural).
[QUOTE=GregLondon] The default assumption for ST is 1 hour... Usually LT will include two fucks 1 at night and another in the morning [QUOTE]Ahhh - OK, I had assumed that ST meant 1+ hours (basically until you had both stopped having fun - as long as it wasn't like 3+ hours), and that there wouldn't be such a hard limit (2 times all up) for LT.
This was just from reading some of the 'blow by blow' (pun intended) posts. As I still have not P4P'd in the region I will defer to your experience though. It kinda makes the LT price slightly less of a bargain for mongerers I guess (and the relatively small $/ THB difference make more sense though).
[QUOTE=Franco Cozzo][QUOTE=GregLondon] The default assumption for ST is 1 hour... Usually LT will include two fucks 1 at night and another in the morning [QUOTE]Ahhh - OK, I had assumed that ST meant 1+ hours (basically until you had both stopped having fun - as long as it wasn't like 3+ hours), and that there wouldn't be such a hard limit (2 times all up) for LT.
This was just from reading some of the 'blow by blow' (pun intended) posts. As I still have not P4P'd in the region I will defer to your experience though. It kinda makes the LT price slightly less of a bargain for mongerers I guess (and the relatively small $/ THB difference make more sense though).[/QUOTE]A lot depends on the girl. I have paid girls for short time and they have stayed for a week and not even ask for money. I give them money of course.
And I have girls come long time and leave in a few hours with some excuse.
Also some of the short time girls just want to get it done and out.
I don't worry. I let them go. I don't pay for sex. I only pay for the time and its really up to them how long they stay.
But of course it try to keep them longer and have good sex but always their choice.
Went out with my filipina girl. After three rounds with her in the room.
She was hitting on a virgin girl and tried to get her to come home with us. But the girl was too shy.
We went to cavern. It had some real sexy girls and nice.
The dancing is good in there with naked and half naked.
Went to the peppermint and its close to cavern and that had a lot of friendly and hot girls
Went upstairs sharks on soi 15. Not fun.
Across from angel witch a nice bar with friendly girls.
But is it me. All the girls keep looking fatter.
Maybe I am spoiled with a 38 kilo filipina that works out.
Had great time but not really excited by any of the girls?
Bought some drinks.
Is it crowded on walking street. Seems like a lot of people to me.
Okay go to Bangkok tomorrow.
Got a good deal on the dusit.
[QUOTE=Steve Austin1]Hey Bill Miami
Thanks for the info. I have few questions to ask you since I'll be heading to Phuket and Pattaya in early November. YOu mentioned short term and long term with a girl at different rate. How long is short and long term? I'm looking forward to finding girls with DD cup size.[/QUOTE]
The definition of “Short Time” means until you are finished, if you know what I mean. The time duration could be anywhere from ˝ hour to 3 hours.
There are 3 standard locations for this experience, the first a short time room, which could be a room above the bar itself or a close by local hotel room. The girls actually prefer this, because it takes them less time to get paid.
There other two locations which could be either your hotel room or in my case my condo. The typical experience involves traveling to your selected location with you paying. Then each of you take a shower and then the deed is done.
Depending on how long you take to finish really determines how long this last. In my case, since I am usually pretty drunk, it takes quite a long time and the girls really have to work for their money.
The definition of “Long Time” is from whatever time you take her until the morning, which means whenever she wakes up. This could be between anywhere from 6Am till 10AM.
However, if you take her in the afternoon, you really need to be specific about the time frame.
During this time you can do it as many times as you want. You can do until you cannot walk anymore if you want. Or until her sensitive parts can no longer take any more action, if you know what I mean.
If you want to do it more than two or three times you will have to do most of the work. Whereas with short time the girl usually does most of the work.
I hope that helps a little.
[QUOTE=Franco Cozzo][QUOTE=GregLondon] The default assumption for ST is 1 hour... Usually LT will include two fucks 1 at night and another in the morning [QUOTE]Ahhh - OK, I had assumed that ST meant 1+ hours (basically until you had both stopped having fun - as long as it wasn't like 3+ hours), and that there wouldn't be such a hard limit (2 times all up) for LT.
This was just from reading some of the 'blow by blow' (pun intended) posts. As I still have not P4P'd in the region I will defer to your experience though. It kinda makes the LT price slightly less of a bargain for mongerers I guess (and the relatively small $/ THB difference make more sense though).[/QUOTE]
As others have said alot depends on the girl and the situation. Generally speaking the girls on Beach Rd are aiming to have 3-4 customers a day at 500-700B a go. Most of them will be looking to try to get you to come pretty quickly so that they can spend no more than 30-45 mins with you. Many will dash to the bathroom as soon as you have come to get dressed and make sure you dont think you will be getting a second round. Hopefully if you pay a premium or find a good one you will get better more relaxed service. Certainly if you have bar fined a girl and paid 1000-1500B for short time you should not accept this type of hurried service.
When reading these forums keep in mind that guys being guys tend to remember, and retell and often embellish their best experiences and quietly forget the less interesting ones LOL.
[QUOTE=GregLondon] When reading these forums keep in mind that guys being guys tend to remember, and retell and often embellish their best experiences and quietly forget the less interesting ones LOL.[/QUOTE]Haha - Greg, I know what you mean - one tends to either put on rose tinted glasses or focus only on the negatives for reviews depending on the outcome of the whole experience.
I have to admit on my limited 'blow-by-blow' posts for Melbourne (where I live), I often leave out details that are perhaps pertinent because of my overall feeling from the experience, and because I tend to waffle and start writing a novella on the experience otherwise.
I still can't quite wrap my head around the THB 500 ST. That is as cheap as a packet of cigarettes in Aus. Oh Thailand, I can't wait.
[QUOTE=Franco Cozzo]I still can't quite wrap my head around the THB 500 ST. That is as cheap as a packet of cigarettes in Aus. Oh Thailand, I can't wait.[/QUOTE]By the way - how much is for one box of cigarretes in LOS, like Marlboro etc. Im asking as I am a smoker (I know, thats bad for me and "mr. hardy")
[QUOTE=Franco Cozzo]I still can't quite wrap my head around the THB 500 ST. That is as cheap as a packet of cigarettes in Aus. Oh Thailand, I can't wait.[/QUOTE]Well I thought paying 500 was a good deal too until a wise monger on the board said that I could actually get it for 300. Ever since then I have had no problems with them accepting 300 instead of 500. I mean I still won't mind paying 500, but I will always counter with 300 to see where that gets me. So far all takers.