Kyiv

Regarding some of the posts about Kiev and ukraine in general.

Yes, it's addictive. In Kiev, more girls are spoiled. I am friends with a young and handsome ukrainian guy who speaks perfect english w/o an accent, same with german. He is fit and knows the game. Even he complains about the women in Kiev

That's why I live (when I am in ukraine) in Kharkov.

The night life is NOT the same, there is not a kreshatic to walk any time of the day or evening.

But there are like four university's there.

And everything is half the cost

You can meet women on the various mamba/flirt sites that used to be a sorta well kept secret. I've been meeting women off flirt for years.

You should not have to ever pay more than $100 for sex. More like $40-50 and that's only if you have no time and want the convenience. Most women just want a taxi and sometimes whatever you can help them out with. Some of the women I saw on a regular basis (for sex), I would always take care of transportation cost and if I was flush with cash, I might give them 100-200 grivna. ($20-40) or nothing but the taxi if I was cash poor. They understand.

Living there, it can be feast or famine. All of a sudden you're dating 3-4 women 1/2 your age or more.

I go to the clubs with my Ukrainian wife. Who also likes girls.

My only wish in life is that I had the funds and the knowledge to have done this (leave the sex prison and go to ukraine) when I was 30.

But it's never too late.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Ha! Ok, forewarned is forearmed.

I guess I was lucky getting off with just buying her dinner, which was a very pleasant experience!

Flirting and admiring her rack and thinking of what might B.

She did not even have any wine, so it was pretty reasonable.

If I do meet her again I will be sure to play hardball.

Modest dinner and no taxi fare unless she has stayed the night.

Thanks for the tip![/QUOTE]Yes! I wish more men had the balls to do this. When it becomes obvious that a woman is with me just to see what she can get out of me (a scammer) you have EVERY RIGHT to be (semi) rude (always act with some class) BUT, you can smile and say "no taxi for you" as you walk away. She can take the metro or call one of the many wannabe ukrainian guys she is blowing to come and pick her up.

You should not spend another dime on radmila. Other than maybe juice and a dessert. They will come to meet you just knowing they are getting a nice meal out of you. Beats making borscht at home. I would be nice yet serious with her. I would let her know in no uncertain terms that if she desires anything more with you, she has to be uncovering that rack and the rest of her body. If she acts confused or pretends to "not be one of that kind of woman", pick up the tab (for only juice and dessert) and let her find her own way home. She'll make it.

If she has any real interest in you, she will smile and let you know it's time to take her to your flat. But I doubt that's going to happen. Nothing personal, because I bet she has not put out for anyone. Like I said, some of these women do this for a living. They are professional daters.

I assume you have a 'terp with you but either way, I tell them I have lived in ukraine and have met many women and dated some of them. I tell them, briefly, about some of the things I see with the women and especially american men.

And I tell them it seems women want money and men want sex. The women I date are not going to see the money until I am getting the sex.

Of course, as DS or someone else pointed out before, the 9's and 10's are going to take more time, along with more cash and everything else it takes. BUT, you should still set limits and not be generous. Until after you are getting what you want.

Just like Radmila uses her rack as the bait and never puts out. We can do the same with our money.

Let them see what life they can enjoy with you (your money), but only after they are thoroughly fucking your brains out and never saying "no".

I had a car, I even shipped my BMW motorcycle over there.

Can't wait to finish my business here (in the USA) and move to Ukraine permanently.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]That is possible. The description matches.

I got her off Lucky Lovers, don't know if you can access her profile.

[url]www.Luckylovers.net/f/all_pics.php? Idp=530116[/url]

Check out her (Radmila = Mila #2) photo below.

Let me know if it is the same one! Thanks for the warning.

I did not notice her boots, her boobs commanded my attention, so I don't know if she is still getting mileage out of you!

Even if it is the same girl, she is no longer the mid-twenties hottie you knew, but now 30-something, and while the the rack is still impressive, her market will have narrowed somewhat.

It is possible that she knows she has to work for her rewards. So I would be prepared to try another date with her, but benefitting from your caution about not spending freely upfront.

But then Mila #3 gave me a free sample of her charms, and her rack is only slightly less impressive, so she is #1 on my list anyway.[/QUOTE]I have also met this girl. The rack is impressive, yes! But she wants shopping, shopping, shopping. And telling me that she needed to know me for a longer time before sex, I ran away!

[QUOTE=Robert1110]let them SEE what life they can enjoy with you (your money), but ONLY after they are thoroughly F'ing your brains out and never saying "no"...

i had a car, i even shipped my BMW motorcycle over there....

can't wait to finish my business here (in the usa) and move to ukraine permanently[/QUOTE]
Robert, I'd like to PM you.
You show as a Senior Member, but no Private Messages option.
How can I do this?

I've talked with her online before. Can't remember if we ever met or not.

Translator dates are usually (90%) a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]

Check out her (Radmila = Mila #2) photo below...

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I'm curious Bez, does that include me too?

I speak about 15 words of Russian, has it affected my chances with some of the girls, I would tend to think so. But I am always overbooked as it is.

It's all about the game.

Don't hate the playa Bez, hate the game.

Snap.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Here's what the BS posters will say. "Oh, you didn't spend enough time there" Or, "your game's not good enough that you didn't try approaching enough hot girls in cafe's, or your medium level russian isn't enough."

But, you'll quickly notice that the BS posters are also the ones that don't ever post any fotos of all the successes they brag about, because they simply don't believe in that sort of nasty bad behavior. Yeah, right.
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Now that is a man with a plan. I always said the key to sucess (in Ukraine) is knowing what you are going for and stick to it.

Why spend $50-$90 on a date when you can get a B level girl for $50 on flirt/mamba/singles.

Due to the crisis there are quite a bit of semi pro girls at all the clubs in Kyiv. With the exception of Shooter's and the Beer Pub in Arena they are actively (I've seen it happen in person) keeping the pro's and semi pro's out and telling them to leave if they are spotted.

[QUOTE=Dirt Diver]I've RTFF.

Here's my basic question. A buddy of mine and myself are thinking of going to Kiev for the cheap beer and to get laid. Not necessarily in that order.

We're not interested in freebies. I should say, we're not interested in spending the time trying to stroke our ego to get a freebie. No offense to anyone here, of course. We are just two guys on a mission.

So, we want something guaranteed and not too skanky. What's our best bet and what's the ballpark price range?

We've spent some time in Dubai and wow, Dubai is a buffet. You walk in, select what you want and leave. Easy as pie!

So, what's the deal with Kiev? Are we better off going there or Prague for some relatively cheap mongering?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]I've talked with her online before. Can't remember if we ever met or not.

Translator dates are usually (90%) a waste of time.[/QUOTE]
No translator involved, her English is quite good.
We had a charming, flirty, couple of hours together.
Worth the price of dinner in itself.
But not worth buying boots for, or other such excesses!

Today I want to celebrate the nostalgia for the lost golden time, that never will come again as before.

I have known Ukrainian women just since few years, in Italy: in fact, the first and best one was Marina whom I met in Venice in 2006. The second best one was Viktoria in Kiev in 2007. Now all of them are "retired" and they are happy with their own families. Instead we are still looking for somebody "right" for us: plain sex is not the best solution for everybody, and prostitutes know that very well!

The older masters here have talked about the golden time in Ukraine in the nineties and at the begining of the 2000s. I can't guess how much that time was "right" for lasting relationships above-all. Now any kind of relationships is substantially money-oriented, with EE women too.

A famous Anglosaxon literary author said: the moment is spent but at least it was. Yes, that's true, but I don't want to live with memories only.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]

I'm curious Bez, does that include me?

It's all about the game.

Don't hate the playa Bez.

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Hate the beach?

That was my hood, and when I ran la playa, I had more game than I knew what to do with. And I didn't have a camera either.

I also didn't brag about it.

Well, no you're not included. You're just too damn cool for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Hate the beach?

That was my hood, and when I ran la playa, I had more game than I knew what to do with. And I didn't have a camera either.

I also didn't brag about it.

Well, no you're not included. You're just too damn cool for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]In Ft. Meyers?

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]No translator involved, her English is quite good.

We had a charming, flirty, couple of hours together.

Worth the price of dinner in itself.

But not worth buying boots for, or other such excesses![/QUOTE]She didn't know english when I met her. LOL

So the 'terp was a scam too.

I hear about it all the time. One girl pretends not to know english so you're buying juice and desserts for 2 instead of one and not getting anything from either.

Glad I learned quickly!

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Robert, I'd like to PM you.
You show as a Senior Member, but no Private Messages option.
How can I do this?[/QUOTE]I turned on my private messages option.

Thanks Cruiser D. We are looking to come there in April. Still debating on Prague or Kiev. But, I'm leaning towards Kiev.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Now that is a man with a plan. I always said the key to sucess (in Ukraine) is knowing what you are going for and stick to it.

Why spend $50-$90 on a date when you can get a B level girl for $50 on flirt/mamba/singles.

Due to the crisis there are quite a bit of semi pro girls at all the clubs in Kyiv. With the exception of Shooter's and the Beer Pub in Arena they are actively (I've seen it happen in person) keeping the pro's and semi pro's out and telling them to leave if they are spotted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Robert1110]In Ft. Meyers?[/QUOTE]Well I hope not Key West.