FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=JohnBourne; 1563038]I met with her last time during February, red hair German woman with lots of tattoos, very fit and fake breasts. I remember she had a tattoo right above her ass saying "puta".

And if you know her name, can you tell me a little bit about her?[/QUOTE]Yes, I think it's Zoe. But the forum doesn't permit searching for 3 letter keywords probably. The one I'm talking about has 2 guns tatoo around her pussy and normally does the day shift. Went with her once, had a good time but never repeated after that. For no particular reason, just didn't happen.

Kimino

[QUOTE=Kimino;1563222]The one I'm talking about has 2 guns tatoo around her pussy and normally does the day shift. Went with her once, had a good time but never repeated after that. For no particular reason, just didn't happen.Kimino[/QUOTE]She is indeed Zoe. She always leaves about 8pm. Been with her a few times and she is very nice, and a real pro. But that`s the problem for me- too professional, never really felt a spark. Similar to Brigitta (HU).hot women, very accommodating, but just somehow not there, no passion. For me, once you start feeling the lack of spark in the middle of things, the thrill is gone, you finish to accomplish the mission, hand over the Euros and smootch danke and basta. Better than an optifick for sure but always felt just empty afterwards. Plus all the painting and having 2 guns pointing at the old muschi surely says something, though not sure what. It is a bit off putting. For a while Z dyed her hair black and it was an improvement IMHO. But she has not been around for a while. Of course YMMV, but RB just focuses on the (increasingly) small number who really respond, where it is reciprocal and fun.

I called her Szoey in the other forum to be sure there wouldn't be a problem with the search function. I have only had very positive experiences with her. She has such a great body, I love her smile and I was attracted to her very quickly after I saw her for the first time. Even though I turned her down two times because I was focused on other girls back then, she always smiled at me and said hi when she saw me but she never approached me again. That is one of the little things which might be insignificant to others but to me it says something about her and I like that. Months later after I had turned her down I finally approached her myself and took her to the room and it was a great time we had. Her performance was highly professional somewhere between a pornstar experience and GFE with DFK etc. But I got the feeling we had a good chemistry and there really is nothing I could complain about. What I really like is the way I can speak to her even when I don't book her sometimes she is open minded, funny and smart and knows how to handle me.

I once had a MMF threesome with her when I had brought one of my best friends and she was a great choice for that too.

On the other hand see RB's point and for me even all I said about her is positive, I don't think she will be more emotionally involved even if she likes someone. What turns me on is when I have some kind of development with a girl where she doesn't give such a great performance in the beginning but I somehow get the impression that it can get better and deeper on a personal level. So if the is a gorgeous girl and I feel there can be a connection then I am quite motivated to take it to the next level. But with Szoey it was great but somehow I am sure it won't get much better. However, I would still recommend her for all the reasons I earlier mentioned.

By the way, she looks much better being a redhead.

[QUOTE=JohnBourne; 1563154]Thanks man. Only found 3 reviews though.

Anyway, I would also like to warn all new people about a German woman named Pam, tall, fake titties, blonde, nice attitude, has kids. She was really nice and the sex was great. But it was only for 20mins and she charged me 160 euro, (60euro for 30min + 40euro for touching her breasts + 60euro for DATY). It was my last session so didn't want to argue with reception. However I was disturbed about the charging for DATY. I did that for her pleasure. Anyway I guess I need to be more clear before entering the room in the future.[/QUOTE]You should have gone to reception. Thats pure "Abzocke". Did you do it?

[QUOTE=JohnBourne;1563154]I would also like to warn all new people about a German woman named Pam, tall, fake titties, blonde, nice attitude, has kids. She was really nice and the sex was great. But it was only for 20mins and she charged me 160 euro, (60euro for 30min + 40euro for touching her breasts + 60euro for DATY).[/QUOTE]JB one of the worst rip offs I have heard. Sorry for you. You should not let this stand. If you ever go back ask at reception if she is there. If so you find her and quietly remind her off this and if she returns 100 Eur you will leave it at that. If not you explain you will go to management immediately. If she is not there then you go in any case and complain. Really just outrageous.

[QUOTE=JohnBourne;1563154]I would also like to warn all new people about a German woman named Pam, tall, fake titties, blonde, nice attitude, has kids. She was really nice and the sex was great. But it was only for 20mins and she charged me 160 euro, (60euro for 30min + 40euro for touching her breasts + 60euro for DATY).[/QUOTE]JB one of the worst rip offs I have ever heard of. Sorry for you though as a reader of this forum surely you must have known how things should work????. You should not let this stand. If you ever go back ask at reception if she is there. If so you find her and quietly remind her off this and if she returns 100 Eur you will leave it at that. If not you explain you will go to management immediately. If she is not there then you go in any case and complain. Really just outrageous and not too late to do something about it.

[QUOTE=JohnBourne;1563154]Anyway, I would also like to warn all new people about a German woman named Pam, tall, fake titties, blonde, nice attitude, has kids. She was really nice and the sex was great. But it was only for 20mins and she charged me 160 euro, (60euro for 30min + 40euro for touching her breasts + 60euro for DATY). It was my last session so didn't want to argue with reception. However I was disturbed about the charging for DATY. I did that for her pleasure. Anyway I guess I need to be more clear before entering the room in the future.[/QUOTE]Oh man, arguing with reception? 99 percent just a whisper of the word "reception" wouldve been enough for her to immediately reduce her bid by 100 euros. Probably did the 160 euros on purpose too, so she could claim that "it was a mistake", and that she really meant to say 60 euros. Sometimes you really need to learn the hard way. At least you found the courage and reported it here, so thats a first, albeit small, step in the right direction.

That really gives you an idea what some girls will do when they spot an easy target, and why some girls, particularly at tourist-heavy clubs like Artemis, are not much interested at all in going with regulars or locals.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1563486]JB one of the worst rip offs I have ever heard of. Sorry for you though as a reader of this forum surely you must have known how things should work????. You should not let this stand. If you ever go back ask at reception if she is there. If so you find her and quietly remind her off this and if she returns 100 Eur you will leave it at that. If not you explain you will go to management immediately. If she is not there then you go in any case and complain. Really just outrageous and not too late to do something about it.[/QUOTE]I really appreciate the advice. Thank you. It was my first time in the facility, however I was aware of that something was not right. And I did argue with her for a couple of mins and noticed that she wasn't going to change her mind anytime soon, so I payed her, only regretting that I could have tipped that money to the other performers who deserved it more. However I didn't know you could make complains, I thought surely the staff would be on her side.

But in case this would happen again, I can just talk to the woman at the reception, and will she make the final decision or will this get futher dragged with other staff members? And has it happened before leading to that the customer was right? If I go there next time, I will try to make a complaint, that was wrong of her to trick customers like that.

[QUOTE=JohnBourne; 1563552]I really appreciate the advice. Thank you. It was my first time in the facility, however I was aware of that something was not right. And I did argue with her for a couple of mins and noticed that she wasn't going to change her mind anytime soon, so I payed her, only regretting that I could have tipped that money to the other performers who deserved it more. However I didn't know you could make complains, I thought surely the staff would be on her side.

But in case this would happen again, I can just talk to the woman at the reception, and will she make the final decision or will this get further dragged with other staff members? And has it happened before leading to that the customer was right? If I go there next time, I will try to make a complaint, that was wrong of her to trick customers like that.[/QUOTE]"Reception" operates differently in different clubs. Sometimes Reception takes the girl's side, sometimes the customer's side. Depends on the Reception lady, the club, the customer, etc. Sometimes Reception just stands there and listens while the girl and customer argue until one of them tires and gives in. Sometimes Reception calls security over to encourage the customer to pay. Sometimes Reception tells the girl to buzz off.

Regardless of whether Reception takes your side or not, you must complain in this egregious situation where the girl is clearly in the wrong. Even if your complaint doesn't help you in this particular situation and you end up having to pay, your complaint will help protect the next customer from this girl's tactic since the girl will quickly get a bad reputation with Reception if she continues this tactic.

I can't comment on Reception at Artemis. Haven't been there yet.

[QUOTE=JohnBourne;1563154]Anyway, I would also like to warn all new people about a German woman named Pam, tall, fake titties, blonde, nice attitude.[/QUOTE]Ciao JB.

First of all, thanks for reporting this! I agree with the others that what you describe is absolutely off the wall. A girl can be sharky (that's part of the game) but this is stealing money from people. Stuff like this can kill the reputation of a club. And yes, If one is in the mood to, it's something to take at the reception and make a big fuss about.

Have bad memory for names and don't know if it's a new girl or what but this makes very little difference. Don't be too disappointed about this, next time someone will try to pull you this trick it's going to be a wee bit harder for sure.

Cheers.

Kimino

[QUOTE=JohnBourne;1563552]I really appreciate the advice. Thank you. It was my first time in the facility, however I was aware of that something was not right.r I didn't know you could make complains, I thought surely the staff would be on her side. .I can just talk to the woman at the reception, and will she make the final decision or will this get futher dragged with other staff members? And has it happened before leading to that the customer was right?[/QUOTE]The staff is very reasonable. This is so clearly a violation of their pricing rules they would have done something on the spot and this Pam would have been in the deep doo. They would have pulled in the House Dame or Veronika who handle these things but it would have been discrete. Normally these scenes are due to the men trying to underpay but I know at times management has definitely intervened on the side of the customer. That won't be a problem.

It may be more difficult now that time has passed but you could argue it was your first time, you only realised what a rip off it was after talking to senior local regulars. However, I could imagine they call her out, but then she just denies she ever did it and as there are no witnesses, it`s her word against yours. Had you done this with her before you paid, it never would have happened. Now she could claim you are just trying to extort money. But I would still try it and see what happens. Worst is nothing happens but at least you have made a complaint so that she is on notice, they will watch her for sure, and hopefully it never happens again. Whenever you go there next, raise the issue-ideally first quietly with Pam if she is there (you could even call ahead to see if she is on that day) , otherwise just make the complaint. But don't just do nothing-you have really been screwed (ha ha). To be fair, I have to say this kind of Predator behaviour, or at least to this degree, is really really rare at the Liebe Bahnhoff precisely because management does watch these things.

How is it to go to Artemis at German holidays?

I was thinking Thursday 29th of May. (Christi Himmelfahrt)

A lot more customers than usual such days? Many girls?

[QUOTE=JohnBourne; 1563154]Thanks man. Only found 3 reviews though.

Anyway, I would also like to warn all new people about a German woman named Pam, tall, fake titties, blonde, nice attitude, has kids. She was really nice and the sex was great. But it was only for 20mins and she charged me 160 euro, (60euro for 30min + 40euro for touching her breasts + 60euro for DATY). It was my last session so didn't want to argue with reception. However I was disturbed about the charging for DATY. I did that for her pleasure. Anyway I guess I need to be more clear before entering the room in the future.[/QUOTE]If she was clearly in her thirties or older it might have been Pamela from Poland. She fits the description. But I have not heard of her doing such a thing and I would not want to point the finger at anyone if I am not sure. If you don't find a German Pam then you should ask if Pamela is there to see if its her. I agree with most that has been said here so of course you should complain about that to the reception. Even if it is difficult days or weeks after the deed is done it would surely make you feel better and she might think twice doing anything like this again.

Whatever you decide to do, I am sure you will be more aware of those things in the future and I hope you will have better experiences.

[QUOTE=Diplomat;1563778]If she was clearly in her thirties or older it might have been Pamela from Poland.[/QUOTE]Pam (POL) has very distinctive blond hair, about shoulder length, with that odd processing thing so it has millions of tiny frizzy waves (no idea what this is called, perhaps some fashionista can help out). Kimino also knows her, but he has a giant tatoo on his head that says "Seriously Experienced FKK Professor" so she would never try to mess with him.

So J Bourne

Now that the entire Forum has your back, is this her, or is she of another, more Teutonic variety?

Another thought - you mentioned in your original post, she has kids. If they were also in the room with you, then the fee is not so outrageous.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0; 1563905]Pam (POL) has very distinctive blond hair, about shoulder length, with that odd processing thing so it has millions of tiny waves (no idea what this is called, perhaps some fashionista can help out). Kimino also knows her, but he has a giant tatou on his head that says "seriously experienced veteran" so she would never try to mess with him.

So J Bourne

Now that the entire Forum has your back, is this her, or is she of another, more Teutonic variety?[/QUOTE]She told me she was from Germany, mid 30's, never mentioned Poland to me. Blonde hair, shoulder length, and yes I agree about the millions of tiny waves. Had some color tattoo around her side belly, or could be her hips. Can't really remember the motiv, could be some flowers. She had operated her breasts, ok size. I would say she was around 172-176cms. She also had some distinctive small holes between her front teeth.

She had a quite gigglish happy attitude, and acted quite shy and reserved, but wasn't afraid of sharing personal stories. She was quite opened in that way, when we spoke before the session, she mentioned that she was embarrassed about showing up in her son's soccer games, because all the parents would look at her. She told me about her website, but I forgot the url. That's all I remember.

She was quite nice that's why it struck me after the session when she mentioned what the pricing would be, she told me that was her pricing, and it was different from the other girls.

If I would see her again, I would remember her, and I will try to have a discreet conversation with her.