FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1566530]there are many great girls who give great service in Artemis. It is just the chemistry between the girl and you, highly subjective.[/QUOTE]Yep, can only confirm.

The range goes from girls blowing you for 1 minute and telling bs like "In artemis it's like this, suck and fuck. What's wrong?", very rare, to gems that will give you incredible service for 40 mins and then only charge you 30 because "no problem.".

It's a matter of luck, experience, chemistry with the girl and YMMV. But in general I think the average is great.

A part from this, Nina gave you a great suggestion. Mila rocks!

Cheers.

Kimino

I was just wondering. Do the average girls in Artemis enjoy DATY? Do they consider it as a way of pleasure for one self, or an extra service to satisfy the man's wish? Or perhaps both? What is the reason some girls chose not to do DATY? Beside mutual attraction.

Same goes about pulling the girl. I noticed some don't mind it, others don't allow it. Is it because of the nails? Possible infection?

[QUOTE=JohnBourne;1566618]I was just wondering. Do the average girls in Artemis enjoy DATY? Do they consider it as a way of pleasure for one self, or an extra service to satisfy the man's wish? Or perhaps both? What is the reason some girls chose not to do DATY? Beside mutual attraction.[/QUOTE]All the above, chemistry, mood, fatigue, astrological alignment etc. Plus some girls (amazingly enough) just don't like up to 20 different mouths a day munching their muschiis, with all the potential bio-hazards. Of course, men being the wise creatures that they are, keep the thought from even entering their minds, or think,"well I would not mind having my little love knob gobbed by 20 girls a day". Risks are different (even on anal penises).

[QUOTE]Same goes about pulling the girl. I noticed some don't mind it, others don't allow it. Is it because of the nails? Possible infection?[/QUOTE]Not sure what you mean here but I know I hate being pulled by my nails.
If you mean fingering, well, same rules above apply. Just always wash and as Marlon Brando once said, cut your fingernails.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0; 1566695]All the above, chemistry, mood, fatigue, astrological alignment etc. Plus some girls (amazingly enough) just don't like up to 20 different mouths a day munching their muschiis, with all the potential bio-hazards. Of course, men being the wise creatures that they are, keep the thought from even entering their minds, or think,"well I would not mind having my little love knob gobbed by 20 girls a day". Risks are different (even on anal penises).

Not sure what you mean here but I know I hate being pulled by my nails.

If you mean fingering, well, same rules above apply. Just always wash and as Marlon Brando once said, cut your fingernails.[/QUOTE]Hehe, thanks for the explanation. Yes I agree about the men comparison. I don't think any sensible man would ever avoid a BJ ever.

Been at Artemis twelve times the last four years. Been reading this forum the last times and found it very useful, so I thought I'the give something back to the forum. Came home a few days ago from visit number thirteen. Was there a Saturday evening.

Session number 1. Irina, Russia. There are many skinny girls at Artemis. 20 25 years old. Thought Irina had what I often miss at Artemis. I want someone with a woman's body, not a little girl's. Irina, who wouldn't say her age though I asked her, I believe is 30 35 years old. Long, blond hair, beautiful body and face. Rushed through the sex which was very mechanical. Will not repeat.

Session number 2: Avril, Romania. Have read so much about this girl here. As mentioned before, she looks a little like Mila Kunis, though not nearly as sexy as her, and wore a red bow tie. Was happy to find her there the night I was there, but what a disappointment! Was at first very sweet and charming. But in the room she tried to sell me extra services like cum on face, cum in mouth etc. I told her, very politely, that all I was interested in was vanilla sex for 60 euros. She asked me again and I gave the same reply. This seemed to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off. The sweet girl I met just a few minutes ago was gone. She rushed through the sex, which was very mechanical. Afterwords she told me something like 'you get what you pay for. If you pay more you get better sex, better blowjob' etc. A huge disappointment. Will definitely not repeat.

Session number 3. Antonia, Poland. What a girl! 26 years old. Great breasts. Great ass. Long brown hair. A butterfly tattoo on her back. Piercing through her bellybutton. A girl-next-door look. Said she's been working there for four months. Really sweet. Highly recommended!

Last minute work disruptions seriously limited my available time today, but I decided to show up anyway. As I only had time for a single session, I decided to play it safe and take Fatima to the room. I knew exactly what I would get, so no need for a pre-agreed service level agreement.

In fact, my time with Fatima was even better than usual. She and I can take a little time to click each time we meet and I had noticed that in a half hour session we did not always get time to properly warm up. However, I persevered (how gallant) since she is physically so perfectly my type. My visit with her back in March benefited from being an hour, and today was even better with 90 minutes.

The downside was that I didn't get to trial Avril (she was busy anyway) or Mila (didn't see her today) , but that's something to look forward to next month. I'll try and add a few more to the 'to do list' from reading these pages.

My other feeling from this trip is that day trips seem to work better for me. Nobody seems to miss me for a day, but if I take two days out, day 2 invariably seems to get messed around.

I have decided that this is part of my problem with pre-room negotiations. I spent far too much time in a previous life negotiating SLA's for some outsource arrangement or another. Doing it for sex just kills my mood. Maybe I'd take it too far and insist on a guaranteed 98% uptime! I think I'd rather take my chances, live with the consequences, try and improve my memory (!) and, of course, RTFF.

Arrived at Artemis around 16. 00 on this Sunday, as soon as I arrived the very friendly Nina approached me but I wanted to relax for a few minutes first and meet up later but this never happened, disappointment! At this hour there were few options available so decided to relax in the downstairs area but fell asleep for an hour. To be honest the lineup wasn't that great this Sunday so when I watched one of few girls that I found attractive Timja (Ukr)? Long blond hair, slim body, small tits, pretty face 22-27 years go down the stairs the choice was easy. But this is a mistake when you haven't talked or even made eyecontact with a girl when you decide to take her to the room. And guess what it turned out that we had no chemistry at all and above that she was clearly sore in her vagina so no DATY and when I pounded her in doggy she claimed it hurts this was a turnoff for me so I abandoned the session 60 less in my pocket. Will not repeat.

After this letdown I quickly showered and began the hunt again! Found Shaz (Rum) 25-30 years long black hair, pretty large natural breast not a stunner but she's cute in her own way, and I know that she is friend with one of my favourite girls at Artemis, Iris so I knew she had a good attitude, no dfk but that's ok not all girls like it. Started with DATY and after just a few minutes she had a big orgasm after that she gave me possibly the best blowjob I've ever had, magnificent! Then she did make me in cow-girl position which I couldn't last more than 3-4 minutes she was tight! Will repeat!

Third session was with Corinna (Rum) Petite blond girl with small perky tits with a beautiful face, I had watched her sitting in the main-area upstairs for most of the day and she looked to be a little uptight but I decided to talk to her when she finally came down to the kino downstairs and she seemed to a real peach and boy was I right, treat her right and you will be in for a real rollercoaster! I made her come two times in DATY then she sucked & fucked my brains out! I had to change position four times not to come to early! She will only stay at Artemis for two weeks this time so I would recommend you all to try her out before she leaves! If I have the chance I will definitely repeat her!

Final session was with Samantha (Bul) she has new tits! We have always a very good time, totally GFE! Will repeat!

After the disappointing first session everything went really well and I could go home really satisfied!

[QUOTE=Frozty;1566837]
I have decided that this is part of my problem with pre-room negotiations. I spent far too much time in a previous life negotiating SLA's for some outsource arrangement or another. Doing it for sex just kills my mood. Maybe I'd take it too far and insist on a guaranteed 98% uptime! I think I'd rather take my chances, live with the consequences, try and improve my memory (!) and, of course, RTFF.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Pre-room negotiations makes me feel like I'm buying a car or something and I'm also sure it slightly modifies the mood of the girl, at least some girls.

But, yeah, we are alone in this. LOL.

Cheers.

Kimino.

[QUOTE=Kimino;1566917]Totally agree. Pre-room negotiations makes me feel like I'm buying a car or something and I'm also sure it slightly modifies the mood of the girl, at least some girls.Kimino.[/QUOTE]Well I never asked a car if it kissed or enjoyed DATY (though I could imagine doing so with a Lamborgini-or certain Porsches).

Look everybody has to find their way, and asking a girl if she will do this or that is certainly not the way one goes about things on a date or at a bar. If that illusion is important, or you like the tension of not knowing, fine. RB is under no such illusions and in an FKK most the rules are different-and happily so. Of course the few hard core sharks and upsellers won't be thrilled about being asked ahead of time what will happen, which is a very good thing. But I can tell you that many girls are quite grateful to know everyone is on the same page so there is nothing awkward (or worse) in the room and all expectations are clear. IMHO it actually makes the zimmering a lot more relaxed, or even more with the flow. And it at least gives a monger the option to decide whether what will or will not happen is worth it, on several levels, not just money. If that clarity spoils the mood, so be it. I know that when I have asked eg if a girl will kiss and she says "of course" and I immediately drag her off we have a good laugh about it.

It also depends a bit on what you want. If certain things are deal breakers (like not kissing is for RB) it makes sense to ask. If you don't care, and just want some one because your body is on fire, then optifick away. If money is no object, or you have no time pressures, those are other aspects.

But you can see just from some recent reports how flirtatious, vampy girls can change in the room. While that can still happen no matter what anyone says (chemistry just isn't right), if you check and ask will x,y,z be ok, watching the reaction and body language will tell you alot about whether to proceed. RB's instincts, he is ashamed to admit, have not been nearly as good at times as he imagined, being blinded by beauty. Hence the reality check.

Das point is- [I][b]how[/b][/I] you ask these questions makes a huge difference. I do it after a little or a lot of small talk (and not like "Hi, what's your name, and can I stick my tongue down your throat?" And I try do it in a charming, light, respectful way saying I just want everyone to be comfortable with what might happen, it does not have to be like going down a supermarket list or a mood killer. It can be just the opposite. Whenever I have had a bad session, it was precisely because I did not ask a few simple questions. No doubt some psychological and cultural factors are involved but on balance, with a new candidate, and especially if you are new to the game, asking about boundaries solves a lot of problems.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1567086]

It also depends a bit on what you want. [/QUOTE]Yep, basically that's the point.

If you have "special requests" and / or if kissing is important and / or if you want to be sure that basic extras are offered (ie. CIM and Anal) and if the absence of these might spoil your session, then for sure you better ask, possibly how RB is saying.

In my case, kissing is not important, I don't have "weird" requests and regarding the "normal" extras I will ask if they are available (and 90%) of the times they are, in the room, when and If I want them.

In my case, but it's very personal, I actually like to drag the girl to the room knowing absolutely nothing about her. At the max, if something flips in me I ask if she has a laundry list of "no nos" before going up. As somebody suggested once. LOL.

Cheers.

Kimino.

Haha "laundry list of no nos" I totally agree with you guys it's a moodkiller to negotiate and I almost never ask what service she's providing and maybe more important what she's not! But I'll have to say that you should always have a little chat before taking anyone to the room feeling them out not physical then! Of course you could still have a bad session it happensbut by talking to them first you get a vibe if theres any kind of chemistry going on and I think you should follow you're gut feeling.

Happy Hunting!

[QUOTE=Kimino;1566917]Totally agree. Pre-room negotiations makes me feel like I'm buying a car or something and I'm also sure it slightly modifies the mood of the girl, at least some girls.

But, yeah, we are alone in this. LOL.

Cheers.

Kimino.[/QUOTE]Count me in as well. I used to ask years ago but I don't do it anymore. I just go with my sensation and impression. Then there is the man that just grabs or points to the girl and off to the zimmer in 5 seconds and the man that has a very insightful chat with a girl for 30 secs /1 minute on very deep topics (sex excluded).

I had some bad sessions in the past even though I asked and very good not asking now.

I guess to everyone his own, the important thing is to have fuuuuuun.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1567086]It also depends a bit on what you want. If certain things are deal breakers (like not kissing is for RB) it makes sense to ask. [/QUOTE]Kissing is the main thing for me also. I prefer DATY with longer sessions only. So probably not a first time session. Everything else I am after is included anyway (or something is seriously awry!

I guess it should be easy enough to find out on the couch whether kissing is on the menu, so starting there rather than at the bar will probably help. Thinking about it, most of my poorer pickups have been at the bar. Now I'm just over-thinking.

[QUOTE=SirNice;1566772]Session number 3. Antonia, Poland. What a girl! 26 years old. Great breasts. Great ass. Long brown hair. A butterfly tattoo on her back. Piercing through her bellybutton. A girl-next-door look. Said she's been working there for four months. Really sweet. Highly recommended![/QUOTE]Maybe you mixed up something. No Polish named Antonia fitting your description at Western Cross, I fear. Perhaps you remember her right name? Any idea?

I made my way to Artemis on 14/05, knowing fully well that it would be Dessous-Tag that day. Reached by 6:30 pm. Paid €80 and asked about Fatima and Nina at the reception. Was told both were working, but could not be located. I was told Fatima has long her that extend till her waist (which wasn't quite helpful). Long story short, couldn't track either of them during the evening, although I did overhear a girl telling a guy at the upstairs bar that Fatima was in and with a client.

Being a Wednesday, it was quite relaxed till 8 pm and I enjoyed the outdoor pool and the new sauna area. The new rooms near the pool outside seem to be inspired by Arabian tales I reckon. I was hoping to end a pattern that I seem to have acquired at FKK's that as the day or night goes on, my choices start becoming worse. Well I couldn't break the pattern on Wednesday.

I had 3 sessions (in hind-sight and even after the second session, my brain was telling me leave, but another voice which came from something between my legs told me to go ahead with another session).

A) Antonella from Poland. Light brown hair, about 5'4. Excellent session with her. Met her in the upstairs bar. Very attractive looking girl with natural boobs. Excellent BJ to start with in the kino and then we moved to the zimmer. Multiple positions. Allowed light fingering and good DFK both outside and inside the zimmer. Would repeat (actually I had a thought about repeating her the same night for session 3, which now in hindsight would have been a much better idea than what I went ahead with).

B) Loren from Romania. Dark hair, about 5'5. She is friends with Antonella. Things started off well and she seemed engaged during our conversation at the bar, so I took her to the kino. Very light FK and then came out a small spray sanitizer bottle which she sprayed on my penis. That was the first warning sign, but there was no turning back then. Short and very basic BJ and wanted to go to the zimmer (excuse given that she does not like girls watching her). She also tells me that she will not allow fingering in the kino as other girls will see her and then she would be reprimanded (what the heck). As she gave me the BJ in the kino, her friend comes over and stands next to us near the couch and asks her something in Romanian (She asks me if you want to try a threesome. I decline, wasn't interested and certainly not with her and her friend after the spray incident. She then wanted to go to the zimmer and I finally agreed. In the zimmer, things were the same, not much interest shown, slight up-sell on CIM & Anal. I finished, paid her €60 and thought about calling it in right then.

C) Caroline from Poland. Blond hair, about 5'5. Saw her early in the evening and she looked nice, but then disappeared, again saw her as she was coming down after a session with a client. She looked like someone I knew a while back who I wanted to hook up with, but never happened, so as she was passing, stopped her. She told me she needed some rest before she could continue. No worries, we can go get a drink, we do and I find out she is quite talkative (no problems there). I was with her for more than 1 hour (session was 30 minutes but 30 minutes was just chit-chat). Did not want to go to the kino and I should have left her right then, but last punt and my brain has already gone off to sleep. Straight to the zimmer, where there is more chit-chat and finally the session starts, almost no FK, and she very cleverly slipped on a condom, so it became a CBJ. I asked why and she says she only gives CBJ. I said well all other girls don't and she says she isn't like them and starts talking about health and possible diseases. Mood killed and at this point I am just not interested in taking this to the Thekefrau. Up-sell to try Anal, CIM. She even asked if she wanted me to put her finger up my arse as many guys like that (for a price of €50, I politely declined). Okay BJ, we try one or two positions but I cut the session short and we head out. She is still yapping about something about Poland and I just nod along till I pay her €60.

Things that I noticed this time around in Artemis that I didn't in earlier visits -.

A) Girls seem to be more hesitant towards fingering and even light flicking.

B) Less DFK.

C) Less up-sell.

D) With the outside extension, loads of areas to relax between sessions (if the weather is nice).