Seeking Arrangements

So this is for gold bikini club in general followed by a small anecdote on my situation.

I contacted no less than 100 women over the last three months (90 day subscription). Dead space for the first two months easy. Maybe 3 contacts, 1 or 2 semi interesting, none to my standards. T-30 comms start rolling in. Mostly time wasters but discussions get more serious, date, time, expectations, etc. Two weeks in the serious ones start to make contact. Mostly pros which I am not into but hey, it's practice for the big game. T-7 days and less, the non-pros are starting to convince themselves this might work for them. That's when you strike. Propose amazing dinner, drinks, something exclusive or expensive they wouldn't normally go to, basically whatever some 22 yr old dude can't offer her and it's on! Met my trip partner on T-0 (yes, day of and no commitment before that). She is engaging, gorgeous, sweet, and humble in the very best sense of the word. Appreciative of everything. Spent every day together before Christmas and will spend every day together until I leave. This is what sugaring is all about and I blew this one out. Results car better than last year.

I've got one surprise after another once we reach civilization again and she's going to blow her mind. So fucking happy this worked out I don't have the words.

I've said it before, THIS IS WORK, but God damn if it doesn't pay off with lots of patience and a little bank. You only live once and you're not getting any younger so spend it!

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2969716]Which XP site did you use: ArgentinaXP? EscortsXP?

SA was ok for me in BAires. 200-300 usd, 19-24 yo, mostly non-pros, good energetic sex.[/QUOTE]To clarify, SA was ok in BAires around two years ago. On a more recent brief visit it seemed worse. Fewer girls, more pros. Having escort site backups would be a good idea.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;2969718]Thanks. Selection seems better than Nordic region on just window shopping.[/QUOTE]Selection in Zurich might be worse than it looks because many girls are not local, based on login location.

Re Nordic, I only did sugar dating there once. Super hot profiles were scams, and I mean elaborate multiday scams, even with video calls. Amazing, actually! There were a few average looking Scandi girls, and they were picky, expensive and not easy to meet. I only met one. Drinks felt like a real date in that if I said the wrong thing, she would've left because she didn't really need the money. A Tinder element to it. Sex was very good.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2970846]So this is for gold bikini club in general [/QUOTE] I'm happy for you! Report would be more useful for us with some details. Good bars, lounges and restaurants for dates in Warsaw, Krakow etc? How much are you paying per day and approximately how old is she? How is gold bikini better than SA?

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michelin-starred_restaurants_in_Poland[/URL]

Eaten at 5, you want to impress a 24 yr old, this is a no brainer. Rozbrat 20 is by far my favorite. But there are fine tasting menus all over the country without the stars. Not at all hard to find. One in Krakow (not on this list) was excessively long and I said something to the maitre'd) but no complaints orherwise. We've discussed finding some rooftop bars but as we're not in her city we've decided that coming back to bone is a far better use of our time plus I'm old enough now that alcohol can be a real drag on little beaver if I'm not careful.

You probably won't believe me but price rarely comes up with a civie. They usually ask me to propose a number and I've never been turned down. 500 is my usual, subject to vibe and my spidey uncertainty sense. This girl has never asked for anything I just give it to her and not everyday but I'd say we spend at least 4-500/ day on activities, food, shopping, whatever. I did rent a hell of a car that she loves driving and costs us 100/ day to fill up so that's in that number too.

Again, this isn't rocket science. Be a nice guy, polite, don't bring up whatever fucked up kinks you have in the first 3 minutes, be willing to spend money, even better if it's stuff you like to do anyway and I swear you will never "date" someone anywhere near your age ever again.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2971092]I'm happy for you! Report would be more useful for us with some details. Good bars, lounges and restaurants for dates in Warsaw, Krakow etc? How much are you paying per day and approximately how old is she? How is gold bikini better than SA?[/QUOTE]

Lot to unpack here.

First, in the seeking game, black chicks, go for less. I'm not saying that's how it should be. I'm sure there's some reason it's tied to systemic racism and what not. But it's true. And it's also true that the lighter skinned the girls, the more she is cocoa than dark chocolate, the more she can command. 800 is a lot for a black chick.

Second, taking a girl to your home is a bad idea. As I've said many times on here, the girls who end up on the site or not the most normal. Many are one trigger away from a psychotic move. That was just not smart.

Third, someone saying they are tired, but wake me up at 2 AM for sex is not a red flag. It's like a three alarm fire going off. Nothing good will come from that.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2970691]Just met a 19 year old girl last night who had been told "by a doctor that he would pay her $800 each meeting". So she thought $800 was her value. Of course he lived an hour + away and I asked if they had met in person and she did not answer.

She was slim and dark skinned, I had offered her $250 and that is my starting point. Most women want to get a $$ amount from us before they will agree to meet, and it probably is best not to respond, since its like renting an apartment you have not even seen in person. Most of these women are just flattering themselves and want the highest amount of money without any connection. Wondering what you guys say to women who want to know "if we are on the same page" "so we do not waste each others time".

She looked amazing, slim and pretty in person. A black barbie doll in person. Of course she was a real pain in the ass, constant whiner and complainer..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2971262]Lot to unpack here.

First, in the seeking game, black chicks, go for less. I'm not saying that's how it should be. I'm sure there's some reason it's tied to systemic racism and what not. But it's true. And it's also true that the lighter skinned the girls, the more she is cocoa than dark chocolate, the more she can command. 800 is a lot for a black chick.

Second, taking a girl to your home is a bad idea. As I've said many times on here, the girls who end up on the site or not the most normal. Many are one trigger away from a psychotic move. That was just not smart.

Third, someone saying they are tired, but wake me up at 2 AM for sex is not a red flag. It's like a three alarm fire going off. Nothing good will come from that.[/QUOTE]Fourth. Sticking your dick in any orifice and then not paying her is not cool IMO. Of course not full price but damn. That’s cold.

Thanks for the great reports FB. I love reading your antics along with Lshoomer, Pi, and other regulars. Seems like some guys just bop in here to editorialize or troll with controversial opinions. A shout out to the real Seeking patriots. Out there running the game, fucking the hotties, and bringing back the stories!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2971275]Thanks for the great reports FB. I love reading your antics along with Lshoomer, Pi, and other regulars. Seems like some guys just bop in here to editorialize or troll with controversial opinions. A shout out to the real Seeking patriots. Out there running the game, fucking the hotties, and bringing back the stories![/QUOTE]Well said, I'm not here for the politics either. I want actionable information or at least a good story (with pictures!

Well this being the sugar section, maybe not pictures.

So out of curiosity, I'm on Seeking and SDM, and I'm finding there are usually a lot of new ladies (or at least aren't hanging around for long) on these sites this month. Anybody finding the same?

Personally I found a lot of new faces on all though November, but December has been kind of slow.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2971066]To clarify, SA was ok in BAires around two years ago. On a more recent brief visit it seemed worse. Fewer girls, more pros. Having escort site backups would be a good idea.[/QUOTE]Just returned from BA and it was an absolute goldmine for me. Real GND hotties, 21-24 yrs old, extremely friendly and cheerful and an all round great time, 120-150 USD per meet, with meets being quite easy to set up. I was really surprised by the warmth and friendliness of Argentines in general. Great city.

Feedback from a master like you is the highest form of compliment here. I couldn't care less what others pay, don't pay, lie, don't lie about their antics. I'm not the creative Penthouse forum author that you are but when I say I have incredible sex and she blows my doors off you can fill in your own 2 or 3 pager. I don't know how the sugaring world was surviving before the internet but I am damn glad I'm this age, at this time, in this world. To think we be collapsing into each other's arms every night for a week plus with no breath, sore and aching muscles and a grin from ear to ear is just not possible to put into words. This girl is quite literally half my age and a total stunner who knows it and owns it. So much fun in public.

And to those of you that want to learn, practice, practice, practice. Plenty of us have given actionable game plans and huge head starts. It costs money and common sense. That's it. Haters go make some more money and come back when you can beat out a Steve story. I'm no catch, fit but short, some ethnic features that some Caucasian girls wouldn't look at twice, graying since my twenties but salt and pepper on top with a bit of receding receding hairline these days and I walk into a very high end sushi place most if you would recognize the other day and the whole place (including the entire open kitchen staff) stops dead in it's tracks watching us walk through the entire restaurant all the way to the very back. And sit not across from each other but side by side. Those that judge get a well placed eye rub with my middle finger, those that smile get a wink and maybe a nod. Great fuckin fun! I do dress appropriately, stay in the nicest hotels and make damn sure she knows we can do just about whatever we want. The power is right here, you have them as soon as they see this stuff. You don't even have to open your mouth.

I can't imagine doing any better than this in the future so I'm claiming expert status now. All the bitching & whinning about how much work sugaring is has been damn worth the time.

Also, as we've gotten closer I've picked up a few tools of the trade and what goes through the mind of a mindblowingly hot girl looking for some sugar. So as to not give away my exactly location or out myself, I will probably post them in a few months.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2971275]Thanks for the great reports FB. I love reading your antics along with Lshoomer, Pi, and other regulars. Seems like some guys just bop in here to editorialize or troll with controversial opinions. A shout out to the real Seeking patriots. Out there running the game, fucking the hotties, and bringing back the stories![/QUOTE]

The desirable ones get sniped by whales or snipe themselves and they're off the market quick. It's happened to all of us whether we know it or not. I had a trophy of a girl disappear and reappear about 9 months later at which time I found out that she was hands down the best lay in my life. Our anatomical features complimented each other perfectly.

The few weeks before Christmas is usually the best because they're looking for Christmas money to spent on their friends and family. I'd have to know a lot more to guess at why your situation was untenable.

That said, I am very disappointed with seeking quality these days. Tattoos, nose piercings that make them look like the Borden cow (yes I'm that old), grungy looks that you just can't take on an upper class date).

[QUOTE=BerolLoz;2971279]Well said, I'm not here for the politics either. I want actionable information or at least a good story (with pictures!

Well this being the sugar section, maybe not pictures.

So out of curiosity, I'm on Seeking and SDM, and I'm finding there are usually a lot of new ladies (or at least aren't hanging around for long) on these sites this month. Anybody finding the same?

Personally I found a lot of new faces on all though November, but December has been kind of slow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2961349]Try [url=https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/?tid=af100011222-m]SugarDaddyMeet.com[/url] its much cheaper and about the same, and they do not kick you off for negotiating price on the site.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;2961488]Yeah but how's the database? Are there a lot of girls who will join Seeking but not SDM?[/QUOTE]It's smaller. Seeking is the name brand for sugar dating and the best choice if you go outside North America. That said, many girls post on both Seeking and SDM; some just post on one.

Besides the cost, the other advantage SDM has is they're fine with you talking about PPM or money matters with the girls.

The problem Seeking has is its high profile, so they want to be really careful the kinds of people who went after Backpage a few years ago don't look in their direction. SDM is (I think) based in Canada and keeps a lower profile. I hope!

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2971343]

Haters go make some more money and come back when you can beat out a Steve story.
. All the bitching & whinning about how much work sugaring is has been damn worth the time.
[/QUOTE]This. Totally.

If you would have told me, this would be what I would be doing my 40's I'the never believe you. Never. Banging girls I was too old to bang when I left college? No way.

This little hobby probably costs me 5 a year in allowance and 20 all in with these fake little work trips that I take. And there is very little I would change about it. It's honestly the best money I spent. It directly accrues to to my happiness. And if I did it more It probably wouldn't be aa special. And if I did regular dating girls my age I'the be lusting after the 23 year old. This is just plain good for me.

[QUOTE=BerolLoz;2971354]It's smaller.![/QUOTE]Other great thing is fewer obvious bots and scammers on SDM.