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[QUOTE=Cbea20;1342192]With a regular partner, I offer to supply the pills. Otherwise, I use withdrawal. I'm old enough to get away with that.[/QUOTE]You don't say how old you are, but if you have no future family aspirations, wouldn't it be cheaper and less worrisome in the long run to get a vasectomy? I got one 30 years ago, and it was amazing how much less worried I was during sex. Concerns about pregnancy are now just a distant memory and my spirit during sex now is about as free-wheeling as during the youthful period when my glands usually overpowered my brains.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1341884]So how much are the good looking girls (18-21, pretty, slim body, no baby) asking nowadays? Would you say that the scene is deteriorating? If so, what's the reason for this and when did you start seeing the decline?[/QUOTE]I think the A grade 18-21, pretty, slim, no baby DIA girls in Cebu who have some experience on the DIA scene are ASKING 2000P, they are generally very pleased if they can get that so I think will generally be open to negotiations. For most girls a first time encounter with a guy is full of uncertainty. Will he show up, what will he want to do? Wil he pay up etc. Once they know you and you are a known quantity the price should drop. Unless you are a known bad quantity I guess.

Of course the scene has gradually "deteriorated" in terms of price / quality over the 4 or so years I have been coming. Factors include (not necessarily in order of importance) :

1 Call centres: Opening up reasonable employment option for graduate girls.

2 Increased international flights. Every time Cebu Pacific adds a new destination that's more punters from new parts of the world. Just be worried when they start getting direct flights from India.

3 Korean language schools. Large supply of high paying punters.

4 Internet / cam shows. Many girls now earn as much doing cam shows for guys in US / oz / Europe than real life encounters. As netbooks / tablets and broadband become cheaper this will have a much greater impact. Imagine the situation in 5 years time when you will probably have cheap high fidelity web cam capability and almost every girl has broadband conection and ever easier international payment systems.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1341461]IMHO in reality girls are not demanding once they meet you and like you. On chatting they will demand gifts (most often cell phones or cameras) and money help for this and that. Most often it is for her birthday or her mothers be / day or one of her cousins is getting married and she needs to buy a gift.

Once they meet you and stay with you they are quite happy with whatever small things you buy for her or whatever monetary gifts you give. Many of my girls did not count how much money I gave and afterwards send texts thanking me. These girls do not want to be thought of as prostitutes.

It is all part of a game the girls have developed to estimate your willingness to part money. So on chatting once they decide to stay with you (I do not meet them anywhere except in my room, I may pick them up at a meeting point but quickly geta taxi to hotel. I do not waste time with girls promising only) they will start asking for gifts. I have taken gifts to some girls and they really show their appreciation.

There are some blood suckers out there better to avoid them right away.[/QUOTE]I agree with this but hadn't thought of it this way. I guess initially they too are not sure what will happen in the bedroom. If they do find that we are genuine people, treat them fairly and respectfully, then they are happy to stay around for not much money and the pleasure of being treated nicely. They get a nice bed, a nice shower, a couple of meals and get to have some conversation.

I do love the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1342199]You don't say how old you are, but if you have no future family aspirations, wouldn't it be cheaper and less worrisome in the long run to get a vasectomy? I got one 30 years ago, and it was amazing how much less worried I was during sex. Concerns about pregnancy are now just a distant memory and my spirit during sex now is about as free-wheeling as during the youthful period when my glands usually overpowered my brains.[/QUOTE]100% agree [B]WHOLEHEARTEDLY [/B] with every sentiment expressed here by SK.

I had my vasectomy 27 years ago and it was a blissful release from all potential mishaps.

I wish more guys would learn the real facts about vasectomy and spread the word so that there is no misunderstanding about what it is.

I have been asked about each of the following by various people (men & women) :

* it is NOT removal of testes and does NOT mean no more sex. It is a minor snip involving an indiscernible "cut" and it takes just a few minutes and is painless.

* it does NOT diminish one bit any sex drive or libido (as SK says, it actually encourages a more relaxed approach)

* ejaculate (cum) still emerges as before. No woman will know the difference in taste or appearance.

* it allows you to "play along" with the woman who is CERTAIN that you are the father of her recently conceived child because you are the only one that she has been with for the past 3 months (she forgot the Filipino bf or the other guys she met online hehe)

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1342262]100% agree [B]WHOLEHEARTEDLY [/B] I wish more guys would learn the real facts about vasectomy and spread the word so that there is no misunderstanding about what it is.[/QUOTE]Just got mine done last Friday. There was some discomfort bot I've felt worse at the dentist office, only not in the same place! I have a son and am late-50's so what is the use in making more kids. BTW the doc said it is reversible (after a few years) , I assumed it essentially was not.

Thing is they want me to wait 3 months for a test and the all-clear sign, but I will be back in the PI in 6 weeks. Guess I've got to work the crew overtime to clear out those pipes, and then get a test over there.

I plan to continue to use condoms with any working girls, but steady GFs will be bareback, and with no disclosure of my operation.

I suppose its a bit deceptive. Even if I make no sounds about marrying a girl, you know that is in their mind, and having your white babies. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1342262]100% agree [B]WHOLEHEARTEDLY [/B] With every sentiment expressed here by SK.

I had my vasectomy 27 years ago and it was a blissful release from all potential mishaps.

Mine was in 1994. It sure takes the worry out of being close! If the girl believes you that there is no potential to make a baby, she is that much more free as well.

[QUOTE=Cbea20; 1342192]Imagine what it's like living in the Phs. With girls getting pregnant all around you. Even the college students get no good health education, unless they are health professionals. I ask everyone, whether sex partner or just friend, what they do to protect themselves against disease and pregnancy. Hardly one in ten is on the pill or insists on condom use. There's shame in ordering them at the pharmacy. There are false rumors of contraindications. With a regular partner, I offer to supply the pills. Otherwise, I use withdrawal. I'm old enough to get away with that.

If I know a girl to be active with pinoys, I drop her for fear of disease. Friend or partner or ex-partner, when they get pregnant and the guy disappears they go shopping for support. They ask me for help with pre-natal expenses. I refuse, knowing that the next request will be for confinement, and the requests will get bigger and bigger for many years. But refuse the first time, she will find other resources and not bother me again.

You would suppose that only empty-pocket pinoy guys disappear or disclaim responsibility. Expats? I know of know case involving a foreigner living here. We don't want the trouble, we are careful. But I know of three girls knocked up by travellers or tourists they met on DIA. One Austrian, one Palestinian ("Arab from Israel" is the report) , and one Macedonian from Australia. Guess which one takes responsibility and sends money-the Arab gentleman.

I have one ex, a local beauty contest winner. She got recruited to go to AC. Within a few months she had a foreigner supporting her back home to attend school. But she got pregnant by a pinoy and lost that support. Still, she looks so happy with her life. And that's my final point: They want to have babies. If no one marries them at the right time, they will do it anyway.[/QUOTE]Phi girls want to have a child by the time they are 23. They feel it completes their life. Even the family is happy that she has a child.

Now about paternity. Girls are not concerned who fathers the child. Preferable one she loves irrespective of whether support is there or not.

One DIA girl I had stayed with for about a week was already pregnant by another foreigner. She did look little chubby and her boobs full. Did not see telltale bump or I was not really looking. She was horny as hell and we did have sex all the time sometimes 10 times a day. After I left I got a message fromher saying she is sorry she did not let me know that she was pregnant however had a great time with me with subtle hints of support saying nobody is helping her etc. I had no intention of supporting somebody elses child. This time I went I sent her a message to see how she is doing. She had a baby boy and was very happy. She said her family is very supportive and if I want she could stay with me again. I declined saying her baby is only two months old and she better stay with the baby. Ofcourse she asked me if I can help her.

This goes to show irrespective of how she gets pregnant family always are supportive. In case family is not supportive there are dormitories run by catholic charities who take care of health services needed, roof over her head, food for her and the child for a year after birth. As I understand they need to leave the dormitory after 1 year. Not sure what happens after that. I guess they will try to find a job or new bf or work in bars or casas.

Her friends or family help care for the child while she is working. Lots of these girls will readily meet and stay with foreigners because they know they will make money.

One thing is because of poverty or religion people are not judgemental.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1342262]100% agree [B]WHOLEHEARTEDLY [/B] With every sentiment expressed here by SK.

I had my vasectomy 27 years ago and it was a blissful release from all potential mishaps. I wish more guys would learn the real facts about vasectomy and spread the word so that there is no misunderstanding about what it is.

It is a minor snip involving an indiscernible "cut" and it takes just a few minutes and is painless.[/QUOTE]I've been thinking about getting it done in March and doing some research. The part that worries me is the "painless" part. Scares the shit out of me actually. And how much time again do you have to wait between getting it done and your first sexual activity? I know that you have to wait a few months before you start to shoot blanks. I'm 40 and my daughter is 16. No sense in starting over if you ask me. So far that child support has kicked my ass. I wouldn't mind as much if was not to a deadbeat mom such as hers.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1341222]I was just laughing to myself at some of the funny things I read on the chat forums.

Almost every profile throws up a gem. Any more?[/QUOTE]While doing a bit of window shopping I came across these:

"I want to meet guy have a good hearth" (how romantic; she likes a nice fireplace)

"hmmm I know men have 2 emotions horny and hungry. So if I see him without an erection, ill make him a sandwich " (how about some pussy on toast?)

"I love traveling but it hurts my ass" (ok honey, then you sit on my face while we travel. LOL)

"don't judge me, 'if you're not a judge" (any takers?)

"I'm not graceful because I belong in a broken family" (huh?)

"just be yourself and make me fall with you" (accident prone? Hope she and her future bf get good insurance)

". Loving kids not horny. Because sometimes you have to that " (if you get this one then please expalin it to me, LOL)

"I am the youngest in the family. =) all of us are boys and girls" (I wonder what planet she's from?)

Maybe there is a bit of a misunderstanding here.

After the op, there is a period of discomfort, because there is some bruising. If I recall, it was maybe a week till it had completely gone. I don't see any reason to wait for more than that week to start back with sexual activity.

As for shooting blanks. Not sure what you mean by this. Your ejaculate consists of sperm and semen. The sperm is from your balls, and this is now stopped. But your prostate still makes semen, so you still ejaculate that. There is no discernable change in volume, consistency, colour, or taste. The girls still love it.

Get it done.

Also, a vasectomy is reversible, the op takes a bit longer, costs about $5, 000, and has you back into the baby business in maybe 2 weeks. I have been investigating a reversal, and my gynocologist says that there is an 80% likelihood of live sperm. And my vasectomy was done in 1984, about the same as RK.

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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1342401]I've been thinking about getting it done in March and doing some research. The part that worries me is the "painless" part. Scares the shit out of me actually. And how much time again do you have to wait between getting it done and your first sexual activity? I know that you have to wait a few months before you start to shoot blanks. I'm 40 and my daughter is 16. No sense in starting over if you ask me. So far that child support has kicked my ass. I wouldn't mind as much if was not to a deadbeat mom such as hers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cbea20; 1342192]Imagine what it's like living in the Phs. With girls getting pregnant all around you. Even the college students get no good health education, unless they are health professionals. I ask everyone, whether sex partner or just friend, what they do to protect themselves against disease and pregnancy.

Hardly one in ten is on the pill or insists on condom use. There's shame in ordering them at the pharmacy. There are false rumors of contraindications. With a regular partner, I offer to supply the pills. Otherwise, I use withdrawal. I'm old enough to get away with that.

And that's my final point: They want to have babies. If no one marries them at the right time, they will do it anyway.[/QUOTE]This is odd considering that nowadays college students at least certainly have access to the internet uncensored in the Phils. But I assume that messing up with FB or Youtube (or DIA of course!) is far more interesting for them than trying to find things out with Wikipedia. There is certainly no dearth of good birth control and STD advice on the internet.

The pill is really hard to take (requires a lot of self-discipline) and can be expensive, the best solution is an IUD which is available for a moderate fee (clinics) if you are determined and look long enough and of course condoms.

Yes having a baby may seem attractive to some, but illegitimacy is still a heavy burden and a stigma in the Phils for the child as well as the mother, most of the time.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1342401]The part that worries me is the "painless" part. Scares the shit out of me actually. And how much time again do you have to wait between getting it done and your first sexual activity? I know that you have to wait a few months before you start to shoot blanks.[/QUOTE]As I indicated earlier, mine was 30 years ago. Doctor recommended no work for about two days or so. The issue was to not lift anything that would put a strain on the groin. I went back to work the third day and probably had a little tenderness in the area, but the dental comparison is about right. Three days after the surgery it was probably less pain than from a tooth extraction. In my case I delivered a semen sample after seven days and was told there were no live wigglers in it. I had hoped a nurse would be extracting the sample, but no such luck. Had to do self-service. I don't recall how many days off from sexual activity, but I think it was 10 to 14 days at most.

On the issue of reversal, there may not be guarantees, but a friend had it done in the Philippines a few years ago. He was mid-50s and had married a Filipina about 20 years younger, his second wife. A couple years ago they had a baby girl, so obviously reversal is possible.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1342550]. Snip (rather relevant given the topic). .

On the issue of reversal, there may not be guarantees, but a friend had it done in the Philippines a few years ago. He was mid-50s and had married a Filipina about 20 years younger, his second wife. A couple years ago they had a baby girl, so obviously reversal is possible.[/QUOTE]Thirty years ago reversal was highly unlikely since they actually cauterized (burned) the ends of the vas that had been cut.

In order for the operation to be carried out my (then) wife and I had a rather rigorous counselling meeting to be sure that we really wanted the operation.

If you start talking about reversal with a doctor when you go for a consultation then it is more likely doctor or doctora will think you are rather uncertain about having it.

Anyway, nowadays they are more sophisticated and put a cap over each end of the severed vas, so reversal is simpler and more likely.

My friendly urologist told me that the downside of having easy reversal is that there is a much higher chance of accidental re-connection occurring sometime after the procedure. I personally would not wish to father a child once I was close to 60, no matter how much pressure the woman applied. Part of the joy of parenthood is watching one's child pass through all phases of life, including having kids of his / her own. I would lament missing out on that, but that's just MHO.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1342557]I personally would not wish to father a child once I was close to 60, no matter how much pressure the woman applied. Part of the joy of parenthood is watching one's child pass through all phases of life, including having kids of his / her own. I would lament missing out on that, but that's just MHO.[/QUOTE]I come at it from the child's experience. Losing a parent is difficult under any circumstances, but losing one while still in childhood is unnecessarily traumatic. I wouldn't necessarily need to see my kids have their own kids, although I've already experienced that, but I'd like to at least get them into their mid-20s so they can start to make lives of their own by the time they lose their dad.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1342262]100% agree [B]WHOLEHEARTEDLY [/B] With every sentiment expressed here by SK.

I had my vasectomy 27 years ago and it was a blissful release from all potential mishaps.

I wish more guys would learn the real facts about vasectomy and spread the word so that there is no misunderstanding about what it is.

I have been asked about each of the following by various people (men & women) :

* it is NOT removal of testes and does NOT mean no more sex. It is a minor snip involving an indiscernible "cut" and it takes just a few minutes and is painless.

* it does NOT diminish one bit any sex drive or libido (as SK says, it actually encourages a more relaxed approach)

* ejaculate (cum) still emerges as before. No woman will know the difference in taste or appearance.

* it allows you to "play along" with the woman who is CERTAIN that you are the father of her recently conceived child because you are the only one that she has been with for the past 3 months (she forgot the Filipino bf or the other guys she met online hehe) [/QUOTE]Its about a year since the last time we had this discussion up here.

Now to clarify here, thanks to a about of non life threatening cancer, I don't even have cum.

But since the male anatomy, the function and purpose of sperm is often a total mystery to the Filipinas, I have no end of them asking to have a baby with me. They usually seem to say wow. Great, less mess!

I still function quite normally, and my sex life is exactly the same.

Aint life grand!