Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Recondite;2841014]I think I'm successful finding normal girls for several reasons. I speak Spanish fluently and try to know as much as I can about the city and the culture in Medellin. I make an effort to target girls who have full-time jobs, live in decent neighborhoods, and don't have kids as well. I talk to girls extensively before I meet them (this tends to screen out most of the grillas and trafficked girls you mentioned). I also ask girls out for a coffee or lunch / dinner to get a better read on them vs. Right to my apartment. Have I met some semipros that way? Yes. Most semipros I meet end up being a great experience and I'm more than happy to give a regalito to them after sex. My point from before is that if you get a girl who tells you "the me lo que quieres" (give me what you want) or "the me un regalito" (give me a gift) when they are about to leave, just give them 200 or 250 k. I've never had someone get pissed at me when I've done that. At the same time, I've met and slept with many nonpros as well, including the girl I was just living with for three weeks.

Do I recommend other's do what I do? Not necessarily especially if you don't speak Spanish or have a poor sense of social awareness. But it's worked well for me so far. At the same time, I'm under no illusions that most nonpros are looking for something as well. This may be a visa, financial help down the line (I. E. Postpago), or someone to take them out and show them a good time. Those are things that come out with time. I'm more than happy to accommodate option number three. Anyway, not all Colombianas are prepagos and there is a healthy dating market out there as well of girls who are interested in getting to know and date foreigners. I think many other members as well as several of my friends who frequent Medellin can attest to the fact that there are lots of nonpro options out there for those who know how to look for them.[/QUOTE]I will tell you this story about the first girl I met in Medellin on Facebook. We didn't discuss money and she went to my room and we had sex. Afterwards, I gave her 200 k and she said you have to give me more. So I gave her 50 k more and she said you have to give me more. I told her that she needed to leave, and boy, she was pissed off. So first day, first girl, that girl was pissed off when I gave her 250 k when we had no agreement about money and money was never discussed. After that incident, I decided to have an agreement prior to meeting a girl. After that, there has never been an issue as to money.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2841014]..... I think many other members as well as several of my friends who frequent Medellin can attest to the fact that there are lots of nonpro options out there for those who know how to look for them.[/QUOTE]Whether they're pros, semipros or nonpros, I let my money do the talking, meaning that nonpros are just playing a longer game than the semipros and same for the semipros than the pros.

I wouldn't disagree. But it takes two to tango and this is the same in the US or Europe. You don't need to marry that nonpro, send her money, or buy her expensive things unless you want to. How you manage her and how she reacts is a game between you and her.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2841102]Whether they're pros, semipros or nonpros, I let my money do the talking, meaning that nonpros are just playing a longer game than the semipros and same for the semipros than the pros.[/QUOTE]

Hello mongers! I just found this forum after being in the usa one for years. Didn't know we had an international branch. Amazing LOL. I am going to medellin for my first time in early December for a whole week. I've been to cartagena and got INCREDIBLE action at the plaza del reloj (my type which is young like early 20's max since I am a young guy myself. I like petite, spinner. Short. Small. Cute. Not much into huge fake boobs).

I will be staying a few blocks west of parque lleras since I was reading in other places el poblado is the place to be.

My questions to you fellows are as follow.

Is mileroticos the only place to find legit ads? Are they even legit ads?

Are the sw like in cartagena? (as I described what I found there cheap with amazing service to boot).

To find what I like I know I have to search, but are there places / areas that would increase my odds?

Aside from the mongering questions of course if anyone has other travel tips would appreciate it. And I promise 100% to leave a review of any providers yall recommend that I end up seeing. TIA and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2841118]I wouldn't disagree. But it takes two to tango and this is the same in the US or Europe. You don't need to marry that nonpro, send her money, or buy her expensive things unless you want to. How you manage her and how she reacts is a game between you and her.[/QUOTE]Well the nonpros I know must be playing a hell of a long game, because I have known some for over 15 years and they have never asked me for shit.

This is the most realistic post in this thread so far becuase it is the most likely outcome besides the few exceptions that can happen. If you don't make an agreement because it spoils your mood or whatever other reason then you open yourself for "you owe me more" type discussions or worse, or you could have an amazing session for less money than you imagined or no money at all. Experienced guys here know which of these scernarios is more frequent and likely. It can be fun to spice up the transactional routine or it can be a pain in the ass. If you make a clear agreement per Moonshot's practice, you won't have to wonder how it will turn out after the deed is done. Information is power, now everyone is is equipped with the tools and free to make their choice.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2841098]I will tell you this story about the first girl I met in Medellin on Facebook. We didn't discuss money and she went to my room and we had sex. Afterwards, I gave her 200 k and she said you have to give me more. So I gave her 50 k more and she said you have to give me more. I told her that she needed to leave, and boy, she was pissed off. So first day, first girl, that girl was pissed off when I gave her 250 k when we had no agreement about money and money was never discussed. After that incident, I decided to have an agreement prior to meeting a girl. After that, there has never been an issue as to money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2841032]Thanks for your reply, yeah I was also thinking like that and it's best to ask instead to avoid issues afterwards, in your experience how much would be a acceptable amount.

For a girl if you ask her to come for let's say 1 hour 3 hours half day / night?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There has been a lot of discussion on the so-called going rate for Facebook girls. My opinion is that there is not one going rate. Every girl is different and has her own opinion on how much she is worth. Age and appearance are big factors. There is only one way to find out. Ask her or if she says, how much will you offer, start your negotiations with a number that you are willing to give. That number depends on you. Now I will tell you what I do but this doesn't mean that it is the right number. I start out with 200 mil and would be willing to go up to 300 mil. Transportation is usually extra, about 50 mil roundtrip. I usually ask for 1. 5 to 2 hours for that price.

As for time, of course, half day or overnight is different from one to two hours. I am not interested in long time stays so I don't know the general number for longer stays.

If you want two shots over 2-3 hours, let her know, make your offer and then she will accept or counteroffer and the price will be somewhere in the middle.

It is probably best to start with less than 2 hours for the first meeting because you may not actually like her. Then after you meet her, you can negotiate for all day if that is what you want.

This is just my opinion based on my personal experiences and your experiences may differ.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2840878]Idk if I write a report a month ago but I went to gustos and la isla. 550 k for girl at la isla. All rooms are the same price now. Thats almost 150 usd. Before like the end of 2022 it was 350 k for 30 minutes. Thats under 100 usd.

Went to gustos. Surprisingly I saw a girl I met at lleras in the middle of 2022. She cost 250 k back then. Now I saw her at gustos and she was charging me in dollars. She said 200 usd. I'm like what? You're the same person your not even a 7. She's lije 150 usd because she knows me. I'm like bah you can leave my apartment bye. I asked how much she would charge me if I call her tomorrow. 150 usd. I'm like I'm not paying premium prices for truly not that great of a girl.

She told me that is what everyone us charging and what gringos are accepting. Whatever. Also gusto has a lot more gurls than men like 7 to 1.

Anyways I bring this up to question pricing....

Are gusto 150 usd prices justified now that the best establishment in medellin la isla is charging basically 150 usd? What do you guys think? I wouldn't pay more than 400 k cop for even the best girl.

You know what I think happened at la isla? The cop got to basically 5 k at one point so la isla wanted 100 usd and just converted. Now that the price is high and gringos are taking it they won't lower it. Also the priced out middke class colombians so who knows if this was truly good for business.
.[/QUOTE]I think it's just Colombian culture. I've seen this stubbornness in other countries, but it's much more pronounced here. For example, I know the real estate market here a bit having owned two condos in the past. You could not believe the number of local Paisas that will let an apartment sit vacant for YEARS rather than lower the rent (or price) by 10%. They have a set number that someone told them it was worth and they're sticking to it. Similar case with the girls. Most of us have business sense and would factor in opportunity cost (ie it's late at night and if I don't accept an offer I'm going home with $0 vs the $40 I spent on entry and drinks!) . Not so with the girls... some guy paid them $300 two months ago and they're holding out for another one-off idiot. I also think they don't want to go against the chica pricing union and lose face.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2837190]To my fellow Centro rats, just out of curiosity what is the back story on the change of name / ownership of Premier Plaza to Botero Casa? The only difference I could see besides the sign is the absence of the gringos who used to hang out on the balcony overlooking ground zero.

On a related note, it seems the large Bluetooth speakers are allowed inside the wire again. So far it's karaoke style vallenato and cumbia "singers. " I wonder how far behind the raooers and indigenous child dance troupes can be.[/QUOTE]There is an American guy sitting and playing old music-1970's-80's rock music loud with a bluetooth speaker in the area. He is with a few other guys. They all are unattractive and strange.

[QUOTE=NoobMonger305;2841120]Hello mongers! I just found this forum after being in the usa one for years. Didn't know we had an international branch. Amazing LOL. I am going to medellin for my first time in early December for a whole week. I've been to cartagena and got INCREDIBLE action at the plaza del reloj (my type which is young like early 20's max since I am a young guy myself. I like petite, spinner. Short. Small. Cute. Not much into huge fake boobs).

I will be staying a few blocks west of parque lleras since I was reading in other places el poblado is the place to be.

My questions to you fellows are as follow.

Is mileroticos the only place to find legit ads? Are they even legit ads?

Are the sw like in cartagena? (as I described what I found there cheap with amazing service to boot).

To find what I like I know I have to search, but are there places / areas that would increase my odds?

Aside from the mongering questions of course if anyone has other travel tips would appreciate it. And I promise 100% to leave a review of any providers yall recommend that I end up seeing. TIA and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I'd say to read the past few pages of this thread, but it gets sidetracked from time to time. So what's better for a noob is to read through the "Reports of Distinction" section on the Colombia main page. Good luck. I'm taking my second trip to Medellin in November, sorry our paths won't meet up.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2841053]I first visited Medellin last December and went to La Isla twice with a group of guys (a mix of ISG members and their friends). I remember the prices being around 350-400 K for 40 minutes. That was expected for a high-end club. I didn't partake because I was seeing women during the days for cheaper and longer. Then I saw a post last month that said it was now 550 K (like you said). Considering there's a 50 K cover charge and you have to buy drinks, you're looking at 650 K+ total for 40 minutes. No fucking way. You could find gorgeous women elsewhere for a fraction of that price. The idiots you see throwing around bills are the ones driving up prices and happily getting ripped off for a woman who probably finished fucking another guy 30 minutes before they showed up.

Gustos has always been a rip-off. My entire group got quoted $300 USD from different women. I just drank and hung out.[/QUOTE]Gustos is some weird place where all the girls are weather beaten and wear a ton of makeup, and then get together and charge 250 or 300 dollars. It would be like us mongers getting together and charging all swimsuit models 200 bucks for sex and not budging. LOL.

You are right about the real estate situation. I think it's because real estate taxes aren't a thing below the top tier of property values, so there isn't a big rush to rent or sell vacant properties in Latin America. In Colombia, I think the overriding factor is personal finance services are what they used to be in the late 80's in more developed countries. It's still a cash and reputation economy here. Check out the ATM lines near the 1st and 15th of every month to see Colombians do at ATMs what we do from our phones. They check their balances, they ponder which bills to pay, they deduct cash, and they pay some of their bills, all while a long line of other people are waiting to do the same thing. You quickly learn to stay away from ATMs around the 1st and 15th. Property owners prefer will wait as long as it takes until they get the price they think they should get, and it has to be backed up by what they consider to be a qualified co-signer if it's a rental. Some of us are old enough to remember having to answer questions like "where are you from" or "what line of work are you in" to rent or apply for mortgages. Nowdays of course it's just a matter of providing financial records and references for rentals. Like with everything else here, we have a big advantage in real estate transactions because most of us can come up with the cash we we need to.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2841376]I think it's just Colombian culture. I've seen this stubbornness in other countries, but it's much more pronounced here. For example, I know the real estate market here a bit having owned two condos in the past. You could not believe the number of local Paisas that will let an apartment sit vacant for YEARS rather than lower the rent (or price) by 10%. They have a set number that someone told them it was worth and they're sticking to it. Similar case with the girls. Most of us have business sense and would factor in opportunity cost (ie it's late at night and if I don't accept an offer I'm going home with $0 vs the $40 I spent on entry and drinks!) . Not so with the girls... some guy paid them $300 two months ago and they're holding out for another one-off idiot. I also think they don't want to go against the chica pricing union and lose face.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2841118]I wouldn't disagree. ....[/QUOTE]I guess another point is that this is a different experience that is not something that one can just buy directly.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2841098]I will tell you this story about the first girl I met in Medellin on Facebook. We didn't discuss money and she went to my room and we had sex. Afterwards, I gave her 200 k and she said you have to give me more. So I gave her 50 k more and she said you have to give me more. I told her that she needed to leave, and boy, she was pissed off. So first day, first girl, that girl was pissed off when I gave her 250 k when we had no agreement about money and money was never discussed. After that incident, I decided to have an agreement prior to meeting a girl. After that, there has never been an issue as to money.[/QUOTE]Moonshot I enjoy your contributions.

I agree with your approach.

I think some of his experiences are also relative to his Spanish and being almost half your age.

There are many youtube videos. Watch a couple and see what you think. It's all very colorful. The Reader's Digest description I can offer is a holiday parade with a large throng of specatators. This being Colombia, be prepared to surrender any hint of personal space. I attended it once, years ago. If you have a day to kill it's a nice alternative to the usual day trip to Guatape.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2840871]Has anyone attended flower parade in St Elena recently? Would you say it is worth visiting it for someone who does not speak Spanish? And what is best mode for going to the city to watch the parade. Take taxi or?

Not sure if return to Medellin will be smooth or too complicated?

Is that area safe during the crowded period?

And if I can't visit the parade, what are some good venues to see the flowers near LA 70 area?[/QUOTE]