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Just to clarify a few of the details regarding pricing on Burgos in Makati...

-Barfines on Burgos are calculated using the following formula:
1 BF (barfine) = 10 LDs (lady's drinks).

-There was a time (many a moon ago!) when the number of lady's drinks consumed in the bar was knocked off the BF tab. So, for example, if the lady's drinks cost 200P, and you buy your companion 3 LD's in the bar, then decide to BF her, the BF will be 2000P-600P = 1400P.
Alas, this sensible, customer-friendly system went the way of the 25 cent cup of coffee some years ago.

-Late at night (or rather early in the morning!), when a bar is fairly quiet and business is slow, the mamasan does have some leeway to 'discount' the BF by a few hundred pesos. It never hurts to ask.

-The cheapest barfines of the bars on Burgos are in Rogues (1600P during happy hour until 10pm), and in Blush pub (upstairs), which is roughly the same as Rogues. Given the above explanation, the LDs in these bars are 160P (Happy Hour in Rogues, or 250 after 10pm)

-The next tier of BFs include bars such as Flamingo, Stardust, Hollywood, Pussycats, and a couple of others. Their BFs range from 2200P to 2950P. Once again, you can calculate the LDs as 220P to 295P.

-Almost all of the other main bars on Burgos charge 350P or 390P for LDs, which means their BFs are 3500P or 3900P.

-When you buy a gal a LD, she will get from 50P to 100P commission, depending on the cost of the LD. For most gals, this is the main part of their salary. A strategy I often employ is to buy a gal one LD, and then, when she has finished the drink and the waitress comes to ask if I want to buy my gal another LD, I decline. However, at that point, (providing I want her to keep chatting with me), I tell my gal not to worry, that I will leave her a tip instead. This works out cheaper for me and better for her. When I leave I will leave the gal anywhere from 100P to 500P depending on how long she was with me in the bar and how, er, friendly she was.

-Normally, the mamasan does not get any of the BF money, but this varies somewhat with a few places giving a token commission to the mamasan. Obviously, in those places, the mamasan may have a tendency to push for you to BF your gal.

-Likewise, I have had girls in some bars tell me that they get nothing from the BF, only the 'tip' the customer pays her. Other gals have told me that they get up to 10% of the BF.

-When you BF a gal from a Burgos bar, the 'default mode' will be LT (all night). However, it is a very good idea to clarify this with the gal before paying the BF.

-On Burgos, the 'tip' you pay the gal should not be viewed as optional--it is definitely expected. The amount, of course, is somewhat flexible, based on the performance of the gal and the amount of time she stays with you. My general rule for a gal I BF LT from a Burgos bar is 3000P for the girl in the morning, providing she was not a total disappointment, and/or did not have a major attitude problem. However, if you BF an absolute stunner who is obviously the star dancer in one of the more expensive bars, it would be a good idea to have a little chat with her about money before paying the BF.

-When it comes time to paying the gal before she leaves your room, a bit of sensitivity and delicacy is always appreciated. I normally, in plain view so she knows what I am doing, put the folded bills in her hand bag or in her pocket without fanfare, just saying something like, 'I had a very nice time with you, that's a little something for your _____'. (fill in the blank, eg 'studies', 'son/daughter', 'family', 'transportation back to your province', etc... whatever makes sense given what you have been talking about while together). I never put the money directly into her hand, as it is just too much like a business transaction for me, and it will make her uncomfortable.

-I do not expect to pay her fare back home in the morning on top of her tip, so if I have small bills available, I try to include them as part of her tip. This will help her negotiate taxi/bus/jeepney fares getting home. My modus operendi is that because I know these gals are doing a fairly shitty job, whatever small gestures I can offer to make it a little easier for them, I'm happy to do.

Manta Ray

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Yes Nat. For LT:

+ Burgos barfine 2000+2500tip+drink is maybe p5000 (I understand EDSA similar).

+ AC barfine+tip+drink p1500-2000.

+ Cebu barfine recently was p1700+tip for p1800-2000. I asked a mama if a tip was necessary; she said its up to the customer but not necessary.

+ Freelancers in Manila p1500+100tip was p1600. One recently offered friends for future sessions, then offered a 3-some, and brought another girl the next evening for a wild marathon session. Agreed in advance was LT for both girls to include breakfast, p2000 total. They came back multiple nights.

+ Freelancers in Cebu were recently happy at p1000+100tip for p1100. Two of these not only asked for a repeat, but also offered up their friend/cousin for service.

What do you gents give chat-mates? I slip them p500 for an afternoon session, p1000 if they spend the night. Or, if we are in the mall after breakfast and I have not given them anything yet, I buy them some stuff. My chat-mates almost always want another chance, or don't want to leave at all. On occasion I have one refuse the money, asking only taxi money.[/QUOTE]
Your prices tally with my experiences although I usually end up paying 3K + 3K Php in Burgos for routine girls (& more for stunners).

In AC I pay the 1350 -1550 php bar fine & I've never had a girl ask me for more the next day. I always have a cache of gifts (perfumed soap/talcum) which seems to put them more in a GF frame of mind than a hooker. Usually there the girl picks me rather than the other way around :)

Internet pick up's usually try to come on as GF's so I play that for all its worth dont offer money instead take them shopping. ;)

AV

Yep thats the ticket. They all like to be charmed with small gifts and feel speacial. It goes a long way.

I gave me girls Chocolates, Panties and small Stuffed Animals in a Gift Bag.

I did not cost much and they were very happy.

[QUOTE=Amavida]Your prices tally with my experiences although I usually end up paying 3K + 3K Php in Burgos for routine girls (& more for stunners).

In AC I pay the 1350 -1550 php bar fine & I've never had a girl ask me for more the next day. I always have a cache of gifts (perfumed soap/talcum) which seems to put them more in a GF frame of mind than a hooker. Usually there the girl picks me rather than the other way around :)

Internet pick up's usually try to come on as GF's so I play that for all its worth dont offer money instead take them shopping. ;)

AV[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manta Ray]-When it comes time to paying the gal before she leaves your room, a bit of sensitivity and delicacy is always appreciated. I normally, in plain view so she knows what I am doing, put the folded bills in her hand bag or in her pocket without fanfare, just saying something like, 'I had a very nice time with you, that's a little something for your _____'. (fill in the blank, eg 'studies', 'son/daughter', 'family', 'transportation back to your province', etc... whatever makes sense given what you have been talking about while together). I never put the money directly into her hand, as it is just too much like a business transaction for me, and it will make her uncomfortable.

-I do not expect to pay her fare back home in the morning on top of her tip, so if I have small bills available, I try to include them as part of her tip. This will help her negotiate taxi/bus/jeepney fares getting home. My modus operendi is that because I know these gals are doing a fairly shitty job, whatever small gestures I can offer to make it a little easier for them, I'm happy to do.

Manta Ray[/QUOTE]Manta, great research and report. Yes, I think if I gave a bar p3000, then the girl p3000, I would not give her transportation money either. Recently my Havana Cafe Greenbelt chatmate did not show. It was a Friday evening and there were tons of girls there, outside especially towards the other coffee shop as you come out of HC and turn right, and past Starbucks -- Bo's? San Francisco Coffee? Something Bean? Towards the exit and taxis. Bunches of nicely dressed girls in their 20's/30's. When I entered that way about 8pm, I got several girls reaching out to touch me, "Sir, where are you going?" I thought that rather brazen, the touch on my sleeve or pant leg. I waited my date 90 minutes late (several drinks, apetizer). Repeated txts she is on her way, but I finally left. When I was on my way out in the same direction, towards the taxis, again several ladies hit me with "Sir where are you going?" But no touching this time.

I took off for Burgos. In the place along Makati Ave, right near the corner of Burgos, I think it's Wild West? The barfine was p2200 quoted from the mama, who massaged my shoulders for a few minutes. Two years ago it was p2200, one year ago it was p3000 there. She left and a dancer departed the stage, went to the dressing room, and came out shortly with a long kind of shirt over her bikini. She started chatting me up, then started a massage. I asked her the barfine and she said 2200 also. I asked if I she was interested in barfining, she said yes, and before I could say anything she asked if I could give her p1000 tip in the morning. No lady drink had been purchased. Normally I don't pay 3000 pesos for talent, but I was not in the mood to head back to Greenbelt to try and dicker, so I told her yes if she could stay for breakfast, otherwise there would be no tip. Ran thru my list of needs. She was fine with that. Confirmed with the mama that she would have breakfast with me, and we're off. My hotel was in Malate, it was a 20+ minute ride back. In the taxi I asked how much of the barfine she keeps before my tip, she said p1000, so she would make p2000 for the evening. She was enthusiastic the first pop, and she was sweet and attempted a pop in the morning, but I was not up for it. I dropped the tip into her purse, the 1000 she requested. We got muffins and coffee at Starbucks in Robinson's, then walked the mall a bit. I put her in a taxi around 11am.

Same MR, I like to put the money in her purse when she's showering, and tell her I left something in her purse for her expenses.

I can only imagine a similar discussion going on in a Korean/Japanese version of ISG. That might go something like this...."The Caucasians are so cheap, they only tip P300-P500, some don't tip at all, and they wonder why the girls don't easily flock to them, their dicks are too big, they last too long, blah blah, etc, etc...." LOL.

Agreed with most.
P0 = They leave early (only happened once.)
P300 = OK Service or LT but no morning round 2
P500 = LT, Great GFE + minimum round 2 in the morning. (most common)
P1000 = Only 1 girl did I do this, she stays until her next shift (6pm+) she see's me on "her day off" and I did not have to pay her BF. This saves me a lot of money cos I don't have to buy LD. I thought it fair to share the spoils.

[QUOTE=Manta Ray]Just to clarify a few of the details regarding pricing on Burgos in Makati..................
-I do not expect to pay her fare back home in the morning on top of her tip, so if I have small bills available, I try to include them as part of her tip. This will help her negotiate taxi/bus/jeepney fares getting home. My modus operendi is that because I know these gals are doing a fairly shitty job, whatever small gestures I can offer to make it a little easier for them, I'm happy to do.

Manta Ray[/QUOTE]

Fantastic post MR.
Very clear and to the point about prices - I agree with your philosophy regarding helping the girls too.

Looking forward to the next night out together.

I do feel a bit left out though by the fact that every girl in Burgos seems to know you and by name too.
They only notice me after the dust has settled LOL.

[quote=poopbunny]i can only imagine a similar discussion going on in a korean/japanese version of isg. that might go something like this...."the caucasians are so cheap, they only tip p300-p500, some don't tip at all, and they wonder why the girls don't easily flock to them, their dicks are too big, they last too long, blah blah, etc, etc...." lol.

[/quote]
some girls do flock to caucasions because the want to get fucked by a big cock! some of these girls give it up for free too!

Hello to all,

Good reports about Burgos.

Of course you can always talk into the girls to meet you after the bar or next day. I spent them a LD, get their number and txt them to meet up.

I dont like to pay the high barfines. Its to much. I would pay for a pretty one, apparently the girls on Burgos have a overall better set up but in the looks department they are just the same as the hookers in AC, while AC has got a wide range of girls to chose from.

I mean a hooker is a hooker, so dont expect to barfine Miss Philippines in those kind of bars. I live here, so its more fun for me to f..ck non working girls, e. g. girls with a job or students. However I like to have a cold SM light at the evening and its fun to visit places as Burgos or Edsa(if my buddy drives, cause I hate traffic LOL) and look up whats new over there.

Good thing is, I am not into a pressure to take girls, cause I live there and have my contacts. So I understand guys who there for 2 weeks per year in order to relieve some stress LOL. However, dont spoil the prices. Girls need us, if a girl gives you a hard time, walk away and look up another one who is interested at you. Its a business, you go there to get laid, not to look for a wife, right?

Keep up the good work!

Blink

[QUOTE=Blink157]Hello to all,

Good reports about Burgos.

I dont like to pay the high barfines. Its to much.

I mean a hooker is a hooker,

Blink[/QUOTE]Blink, concur. I have paid higher prices in the past, sometimes p3000+ for a girl. I paid nearly that also to sit and chat (only) a girl in a KTV place. But these are rare occurances for me. The girl in the bar is little different than the streetwalkers outside. Prettier? Yes in general. But you can find freelancers just as pretty. On Burgos you can pay p5000 in the bar for an evening, or you can pay p1500 on the street.

I don't post here but I follow the fellow mongers' posts. Last three days, I stayed in Pacific Breeze in AC. I can assure you that Motel 6 of USA is far better than this hotel. Previously I stayed in ABC.

Pacific Breeze has a security problem. You can not even close the room door properly. Service is less than desirable. Price of $57/a night is too much for this place. Pay a little bit more and stay in a better place. However, it's location is awesome.

AC bored me and now I am in Cebu.

Pharmacies are refusing to sell them without a prescription.

Manson's sold me a box but others are refusing.

[quote=poopbunny]
p0 = they leave early (only happened once.)
p300 = ok service or lt but no morning round 2
p500 = lt, great gfe + minimum round 2 in the morning. (most common)
p1000 = only 1 girl did i do this, she stays until her next shift (6pm+) she see's me on "her day off" and i did not have to pay her bf. this saves me a lot of money cos i don't have to buy ld. i thought it fair to share the spoils.[/quote]

i totally agree with poopbunny's tipping range! that's exactly my approach as well and imho these amounts are 'fair'!

so, and in 20 minutes i am on fields again! :)

cheers!

hesekiels

[QUOTE=Frank4220]IN some cases they may really like you or be in dreamland that your only interested in her. The reality for most is that your the "payday" and it all comes down to pesos.
They can get real pissy and childish and I have even heard of them giving each other a good old fashion shit kicking. They are pretty competitive, especially the higher earners.
Why bother with the drama, there are just too many bars and I never see a reason to stir up shit with them. Be discrete or at least put some time between barfines at the same establishment.[/QUOTE]


It's difficult to be totally discrete as I often have my favorite bars and very little time in AC. If I happen to see another cute lady I like in the same bar from nite before and choose her instead of the previous one then I let it all act out. If it proves too difficult with personal attitudes and vibes then I just skip it with my pick of the nite and move on.

Shark

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Some girls do flock to caucasions because the want to get fucked by a big cock! Some of these girls give it up for free too![/QUOTE]


Also, some will flock to us because they know they have a better chance of bagging one of us rather than a Jap or Korean, as alot more of us falls for the pinoys= this holds the same in LOS during all the many years I monger there.


Have to remember about the pinoys: one of the main ladies dreams is to be away from PI and hopefully live in US or Australia or another "english" speaking country. Communication is a problem for them if a Jap or Korean really likes them and takes them to their country.

Shark

[QUOTE=Henio]1), I could see there was a rather large range so I figured I might get it out of the girls what is expected, what is a low and high tip.

2)None would expect to get a tip for ST

3). Would be interested if anyone else here has similar data, i.e. what the girls consider low, normal and high[/QUOTE]




1) The range is very large indeed as it will always depend on the individual or the tipping culture you grew up with.
Range could be $0 tips (if the lady sucked in performance or didn't live up to your agreements or a runner) to out of this world (I've seen 2 Jap guys sitting next to me drop 10,000p tips to just one lady and didn't even BF the lady for the nite.

2) Not always true. I often give a small tip, about 100-150p to the lady in a ST bar if she was good to me. Zero tips if she was so-so or avg. at these ST places.

ex: Forgot the name of the bar or girl on Santos BJ place. She was not a true looker but was ok in looks if you don't look too closely at her 2 missing front teeth. But she was always very friendly and gave excellent service to me. Once I was so very tired and couldn't cum but she refused to give up and kept at it even as I told her she didn't have to. Everytime I got a little limp, she stop her cowgirl and gave me a good BJ to get me hard again. She did this routine non-stop for over 20min until I was finally able to cum. So thats what I meant by very good service and gave her 150p for her efforts , not because I had to tip her but I truly appreciated her efforts. Maybe some of you guys know her?

3) girls don't often say much about tipping other than if the idiots overtipped and then she will brag about it for the next 2 nites to her friends.
Most girls I tip don't even look or count it and just stuff it in their purse. One lady was honest and even said if I just gave her trike money back to her bar she'll be happy = that's about 75-100p to all you newbies in AC.

PT